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Realm of health care providers and experts. And we are grateful to them and to all the essential workers for their service and sacrifice. The danger to the US economy was also clear. Congress provided by far the fastest and largest response to any post war economic downturn. Offering fiscal support for households, businesses, health care providers, and state and local governments.
Here at the Federal Reserve, we rapidly deployed our full range of tools to provide relief and stability to ensure that the recovery will be as strong as possible and to limit lasting damage to the economy. We are strongly committed to achieving the monetary policy goals that Congress has given us. Maximum employment and price stability. The economic fallout has been real and widespread. But with the benefit of perspective, we can say that some of the very worst economic outcomes have been avoided by swift and forceful action from Congress from across government and in cities and towns across the country. More people held on to their jobs.
More businesses kept their doors open and more incomes were saved as a result of these swift and forceful policy actions. And while we welcome these positive developments, no one should be complacent. At the Fed we will continue to provide the economy, the support that it needs for as long as it takes. Today the FOMC kept interest rates near 0 and maintained our sizable asset purchases. These measures, along with our strong guidance on interest rates and on our balance sheet, will ensure that monetary policy will continue to deliver powerful support to the economy until the recovery is complete.
The path of the economy continues to depend significantly on the course of the virus and the measures undertaken to control its spread. Since January, the number of new cases, hospitalizations and deaths has fallen. And ongoing vaccinations offer hope for a return to more normal conditions later this year. In the meantime, continued observance of social distancing, measures and wearing masks will help us reach that goal as soon as possible. The economic recovery remains uneven and far from complete, and the path ahead remains uncertain.
Following the moderation in the pace of the recovery that began toward the end of last year. Indicators of economic activity and employment have turned up recently. Although the sectors of the economy most adversely affected by the resurgence of the virus and by greater social distancing remain weak. Household spending on goods has risen notably so far this year. In contrast, household spending on services remains low, especially in services that typically require people to gather closely, including travel and hospitality.
The housing sector has more than fully recovered from the downturn, while business investment and manufacturing production have also picked up. The overall recovery in economic activity since last spring is do, importantly, to unprecedented fiscal and monetary policy actions which have provided ascential support two households, businesses and communities. The recovery has progressed more quickly than generally expected and forecasts from FOMC participants for economic growth this year have been revised up. Notably, since our December Summary of economic projections. In commenting on the stronger outlook, participants noted progress on vaccinations as well as recent fiscal policy.
As with overall economic activity, conditions in the labor market have turned up recently. Employment rose by 379 thousand in February, as the leisure and hospitality sector recouped about 2/3 of the jobs that were lost in December and January.
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Nonetheless, employment in this sector is more than 3,000,000 below its level at the onset of the pandemic. For the economy as a whole, employment is 9.5 million below its pre pandemic level. You want to ployment rate remains elevated at 6.2% in February. This figure understates the shortfall in employment, particularly as participation in the labor market remains notably below pre pandemic levels. Looking ahead, FOMC participants project the unemployment rate to continue to decline. The median projection is 4.5% at the end of this year and moves down to 3.5% by the end of 2023.
The economic downturn has not fallen equally on all Americans and those least able to shoulder the burden have been the hardest hit. In particular, the high level of joblessness has been especially severe for lower wage workers in the service sector and for African Americans and Hispanics. The economic dislocation has upended many lives and created great uncertainty about the future. Overall inflation remains below our 2% longer an objective. Over the next few months, 12 month measures of inflation will move up as the very low readings from March and April of last year fall out of the calculation.
Beyond these base effects, we could also see upward pressure on prices. If spending rebounds quickly as the economy continues to reopen. Particularly if supply belt bottlenecks limit how quickly production can respond in the near term. However, these one time increases in prices are likely to have only transient effects on inflation. The median inflation projection of FOMC participants is 2.4% this year and declines to 2% next year before moving back up by the end of 2023.
The Fed’s response to this crisis has been guided by our mandate to promote maximum employment and stable prices for the American people. Along with our responsibilities to promote the financial stability of the financial system. As we say in our statement on longer run goals and monetary policy strategy, we view maximum employment as a broad based and inclusive goal. Our ability to achieve maximum employment in the years ahead depends importantly on having longer term inflation expectations, well anchored at 2%. As the committee reiterated in today’s policy statement with inflation, running persistently below 2%, we will aim to achieve inflation moderately above 2% for some time so that inflation averages 2% overtime and longer term inflation expectations remain well anchored at 2%.
We expect to maintain an accommodative stance of monetary policy until these employment and inflation outcomes are achieved. With regard to interest rates, we continue to expect it will be appropriate to maintain the current zero to one quarter percent target range for the federal funds rate until labor market conditions have reached levels consistent with the committee’s assessment of maximum employment. And inflation has risen to 2% and is on track to moderately exceed 2% for some time. I would note that a transitory rise in inflation above 2% as seems likely to occur this year would not meet this standard. In addition, we will continue to increase our Holdings of Treasury securities by at least $80 billion per month.
End of agency mortgage backed securities by at least $40 billion per month. Until substantial further progress has been made toward our maximum employment and price stability goals. The increase in our balance sheet since last March has materially eased financial conditions. And is providing substantial support to the economy. The economy is a long way from our employment and inflation goals, and it is likely to take some time for substantial further progress to be achieved.
Our forward guidance for the federal funds rate, along with our balance sheet guidance, will ensure that the stance of monetary policy remains highly accommodative as the recovery progresses. Our guidance is outcome based and ties the path of the federal funds rate and the balance sheet to progress toward reaching our employment and inflation goals. Overall, our interest rate and balance sheet tools are providing powerful support to the economy and will continue to do so. To conclude, we understand that our actions affect communities, families and businesses across the country. Everything we do is in service to our public mission.
We are committed to using our full range of tools to support the economy and to help assure that the recovery from this difficult. Will be as robust as possible. Thank you, I look forward to your questions.
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Howard from Reuters. Oh, hi chair pellinen. Thanks for that.
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So could you talk us through how the forecast for 2021 map into these substantial further progress definition? You know 2.4% inflation? Understand that’s considered transitory. That still seems like some progress there. Four and a half percent unemployment.
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Is it time to start talking about talking about tapering yet? Not yet, so as you pointed out, we’ve said that we would continue asset purchases at this pace until we see substantial further progress. And that’s actual progress, not forecast progress. So and that’s a difference from our past approach. So and what we mean by that is pretty straightforward. It is we want to see that the labor markets have moved, labor market conditions have moved.
You know, have made substantial progress toward maximum employment, and inflation has made substantial progress toward the 2% goal that we’re going to want to see now. That obviously includes an element of judgment. And when we see will be will be carefully looking ahead. We also understand that we will want to provide as much advance notice of any potential taper as possible. So when we see that we’re on track when we see actual data coming in, that suggests that we’re on track to perhaps achieve substantial further progress.
Then we’ll say so, and we’ll say so well in advance of any decision to actually taper. If I could follow up on that,
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this shifted the dots, why wouldn’t that suggest a weakening of the commitment here? An awful lot of people shifted into 2022,
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it seems. I don’t see that at all. You know, we have a range of perspectives on the committee. I welcome that and. You know we have we debate things. We discussed things and we always come together around around a solution.
But you know the strong bulk of the committee is is not showing a rate increase during this forecast period. And you know, as data improve as the outlook improves very significantly since the December meeting, you would expect forecast to move up. It’s probably not a surprise that some people would bring in their estimate of the appropriate time for liftoff. Nonetheless, you know the bulk of the Committee, the largest part, by far of the committee, is doesn’t show a rate increase during this. And again, part of that is wanting to see actual data rather than just a forecast.
At this point, we do expect that will begin to mix faster progress on both spending and labor markets, and inflation as the year goes on because of the progress with the vaccines because of the fiscal support that we’re getting, we expect that to happen, but we’ll have to see it first. Great thank you Vic. Hi Terra pal, I wanted to ask about the supplementary leverage ratio. You know there’s been a lot of talk about what you all are going to do this month, which I’m happy to hear an update if you have one, but just sort of more broadly. Do you think long term that the leverage ratio poses problems for implementing monetary policy at a time when the reserve supply is going to remain large?
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And if so, do you think that changes to the leverage ratio including the SLR are the way to deal with that problem? Victoria. We’ll have something to announce on that in coming days. And I’m not going to expound upon your questions, so why don’t you ask another question if you’d like to? Because because that one I’m just going to say that work something in coming days. Um, sure OK. Well then I’ll ask about unemployment.
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You know there’s the unemployment rates is you all have projections for EU six rate? But you’ve also been, you know, really emphasizing the fact that that’s not the only thing that you are looking at. You’re also looking at labor force participation and things like that.
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So are you all looking at ways of maybe adding to how you’re projecting the unemployment rate to the summary of economic projections? Well, let me say, as we say in our statement, a longer run goals in monetary policy strategy, we look to a range of indicators on labor market. We never only looked at the unemployment rate, which is the only indicator of Labor market outcomes that’s in the SCP. We look at a very broad range and hear us talk all the time about participation about employment to population, which is the combination of the two about different measures of of unemployment. So it’s wages. It’s it’s the job flows, it’s. You know all of those things are they go into an assessment, disparities of various groups. All that goes into an assessment of maximum employment, the trying to incorporate all of that into the summary of economic projections would not be practical.
Obviously, the thing that we do include is just the unemployment rate and that’s a very insufficient statistic, so it doesn’t include a lot of other things that we do look at and. I wouldn’t want to say that we’re looking to include the other dozen things that we look at into the Sep, but at time from time to time we do look at adding different things, but. I would just say the Sep is a. It’s a summary it’s 1 device. It’s not going to include all of the things that we look at. I think you know the things that we look at, which we talk about him all the time.
So we’re not actually looking actively at significantly broadening those indicators in the CP right now. Thank you Chris rugaber. Associated Press. Thank you, I’m. Chair Powell, I wanted to ask it.
The forecast overall you’re forecasting. A very low unemployment rate next year and in 2020 three you have inflation or the Fed overall is in the SC sent. By 2020 three I get. No rate hike in any of this in any of this forecast horizon, so this is telling us that the CIA higher inflation rates in what’s projected or do not. As you been talking about is the unemployment rate insufficient, or what is this telling us about the feds reaction functions that it seems you’re meeting the Fed’s dual mandate by 2023.
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Yet again, no rate hike expect. So I guess the first thing to say is that the Sep is not a committee forecast. It’s not something we sit around and debate and discuss and approve and say this represents our our reaction function as a committee. It’s a compilation of projecting our reaction function as a committee. It’s a compilation of projections from different people, and since we don’t debated or discussed, it would be hard for me to say why exactly why each participant. Did what they were going to do, so all I would say about this is that.
We’ve laid out what I think is very clear guidance on lift off, and it’s really three things. Labor market conditions that are consistent with our estimates of maximum employment. And as I mentioned, we consider a wide range of indicators in assessing labor market conditions, not just the unemployment rate inflation that has reached 2% and not just on a transitory basis, and inflation is on track to run moderately above 2% for sometime the 1st two of those three are very much database, the third does have a little bit of an element of. Expectations in it. So we are very much determined to implement this guidance in a robust way.
It is the guidance that we chose carefully to implement our new framework to meet these standards will need to see data as I mentioned. So what this what is this SCP really say? It says that we’re committed to our framework into the guidance we’ve provided to implement that framework. We will wait until the requirements set forth in that guidance are clearly met before considering a change in our policy rate. And the last thing I will say is this.
The state of the economy in two or three years is. Highly uncertain, and I wouldn’t want to focus too much on the exact timing of a potential rate increase. That far into the future. So that’s how I would think about the CP.
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Thank you, Paul Kiernan. Thank you chairman, pal. My question is twofold.
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One, how high are you comfortable letting inflation rise there?
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There is some ambiguity an in your new target.
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As you mentioned, expectations driven.
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And do you think that that ambiguity might cause markets to price in a lower tolerance for inflation than the Fed actually has, thereby causing financial conditions to tighten prematurely it?
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Is that a concern? Thanks. So we’ve said we’d like to see inflation run moderately above 2% for some time. And we’ve resisted basically generally the. Temptation to try to quantify that part of that just is. Talking about inflation is one thing actually having inflation run above 2% is the real thing, so I. But we you know over the years we’ve, we’ve talked about 2%. Inflation is a global.
We haven’t achieved it, so I would say we’d like to. You know, perform. That’s what we’d really like to do is to get inflation moderately above 2%. I don’t want to be too specific about what that means, because I think it’s hard to do that, and we haven’t done it yet. You know, when we’re actually above 2%, we can do that.
Look I, I would say this. We are fundamental change in our framework is that we were not going to act preemptively based on forecasts for the most part. And we’re going to wait to see actual data, and I think it will take people time to adjust to that. And to adjusted that new practice and the only way we can really build the credibility of that is by doing it. So that’s how I would think about that.
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Thank you Matthew boesler. High chair pal. This is Matthew Boeser with Bloomberg News, so there’s a widespread presumption at this point that the US will reach heard immunity sometime this year. An all along you said that the path of the economy is going to be determined by the course of the virus. I’m curious based on the projections that you released today, that show unemployment will still be above estimates of maximum employment through the end of next year and perhaps sometime into 2023. Do you think policy makers need to be doing more here to sort of align?
The herd immunity and full employment timelines.
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If you will thank you. So on on herd immunity I’m really going to leave that question to the experts. We don’t control that we are not responsible for defining it. And. It will leave that whole discussion to the experts. I mean, we’re focused on is.
Is the part that we control, which is the support that we provide to the economy, and there we provided very clear guidance. And in the case of asset purchases, it’s at their current level until we make substantial further progress, there is an element of judgment in that and will therefore will supply clear communication well in advance of actually tapering, and we just went through the, you know, the criteria for raising interest rates. They are very specific and. You know we’re very much committed to having them fulfilled robustly. I would agree with you that.
The path of the virus continues to be very important. We have these. You know new strains with which can be quite virulent, and we’re not actually done yet, and I. We’re clearly on a good path with cases coming down as I mentioned, but we’re not done and I’d hate to see us take our eye off the ball before we actually finish the job. So. That’s how I would look at that.
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If I could just briefly follow up, how do you see sort of the disconnect in terms of an economy that is expected to be widely reopen this year, but full employment taking an economy that is expected to be widely re open this year,
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but full employment taking longer to achieve is it? Is it the case that?
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Factors related to the virus will still be with us over the coming years. Is that how to interpret the forecasts?
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I think there’s some of that. Sure there will be some of that. There will still be some social distancing. People maybe, for example, going into space is that. That involve close contact with others. Some people will do that right away, others will hold back, and so I think there will be some of that.
In addition though, remember there are 10 million people in the range of 10 million people who need to get back to work, and it’s going to take some time for that to happen. You know it can, it can happen. Maybe maybe more quickly than it has in the past, because it involves the reopening of a sector of the economy as opposed to stimulating aggregate demand and waiting for that to produce job demand for workers. That this could be a different sort of process and it could be quicker. We don’t know that, but it’s just a lot of people who need to get back to work, and it’s not going to happen overnight.
It would be. It’s going to take some time, no matter how well the economy performs, unemployment will take quite a time to go. To go down and so will participation so. That’s all I can say. I think the faster, the better.
We’d love to see it come sooner rather than later. We’d welcome nothing more than that. But realistically, given the numbers, it’s going to take some time.
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Thank you Steve leisman.
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Mr. Chairman, thank you. I wonder if you could kind of a three parter here but all related. Would you comment on the current level of the 10 year yield and some other long rates out there? Whether or not you think they would have a negative effect on the economy and if not, is there a level that would give you concern? And finally the third part other central bankers have expressed concern about what’s happened to yields in their countries and even some taken action but not you. Could you give us your general idea or orientation towards the idea of. Of coming into the market and affecting a particular tenor of the bond market.
Do you like that? I did not like it at the top of your toolbox? Or is it something that you think is at the bottom of the toolbox?
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Sure, so we monitor a broad range of financial conditions and we’re always attentive to market developments. Of course, we’re still a long way from our goals, and it’s important that initial conditions do remain accommodative to support the achievement of those goals. And if you look at various indexes of financial conditions, what you’ll see is that they generally do show. Financial conditions overall to be highly accommodative, and that is appropriate, so that’s how we look at it. I would add, as I’ve said, I would be concerned by disorderly conditions in markets or by a persistent tightening of financial conditions that threaten the achievement of our goals. We think the stance of our monetary policy remains appropriate guidance on the federal funds rate.
An on asset purchases providing strong support for the economy. And we’re committed to maintaining that patiently accommodative stance until the job is well and truly done.
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Could you give us an idea of how you sort of feel about that tool of being able to come into a particular part of the market in either operating during an operation twist or something like that?
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Is that something you feel to be the top of your toolbox or something that you don’t really prefer? You know we the the tools we have are the tools we have. What I’m telling you is that the stance of monetary policy we have today, we believe is appropriate. We think that our asset purchases in their current form, which is to say, you know, across the curve. 80 billion in Treasurys. 40 billion in mortgage backed securities on net. We think that that’s that’s the right place for asset purchases.
Now we can change them. Of course, in a number of different dimensions should we deem that that’s appropriate. But for now, we think that our policy stance on that is appropriate.
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Thank you, Rachel Siegel. I sure pal. Thanks very much for taking my question.
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You’ve spoken about the pandemics disproportionate toll on black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, and other groups in the labor market, and I’m curious if you can speak to specific indicators that the Fed will be using to measure job gains for groups that have persistently higher rates of unemployment compared to white Americans. And relatedly, since you’ve described vaccines as key to the economic recovery, is the Fed concerned about lower vaccination rates?
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In communities of color and what barriers do you think exist there?
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Thanks very much. So which measures? So we do monitor and communicate very regularly about different labor market disparities in the labor market. Let’s say so the African American unemployment rate is substantially elevated, and so is the Hispanic unemployment rate. So we look at those and we see those as you know. It’s slack in the labor market. It’s sad to see because those disparities had really come down to record lows since we started keeping the data that way.
As recently as a year ago, February of last year, we had those disparities quite low. What happens in a downturn though is they move up at twice the speed of white unemployment, so we monitor those things. We are tools. Of course, affect unemployment generally, but we’re going to look at those as a form of slack in the labor market and hope that. You know that there’s progress there, and in this particular downturn, of course, was just a direct hit on a part of the economy that employs many minorities and lower paid workers.
The public facing workers in the service industries. In many cases don’t have a lot of financial assets. They’re not tremendously well paid. They might have other jobs and things like that, so this was a direct hit on that part of the economy, and it’s the slowest part of the economy to recover. So we’d like to see those people continue to get supported.
You know, as we as the broader economy recovers, which which is very much doing now in terms of disparate levels of vaccination, that’s. Those are facts, unfortunate facts. They’re really not something we have within our policy. Toolkit to address, but it is true though that with the data we have suggests that there are significant disparities between different ethnic groups and. No, but that’s not for us.
That’s for fiscal authorities and the government more generally to work on. Thank you Gina smalec. Hey Paul, thanks for taking our questions. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about how you see the fiscal policy support that has come down the line affecting the economies potential in the longer term, just in the sense that you’ve talked a lot about the potential for labor market scarring and how that might weigh on our sort of future prospects. And I wonder whether you see that sort of working in reverse.
You know if we pull people back into the labor market more quickly,
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just that improve our chances. So I do think that. Fiscal policy overall will have really helped us to avoid. Much of the scoring that we were very, very concerned about at the beginning, and I think that’s just the size and the speed with which Congress has delivered with the CARES Act. And since then has is going to wind up very much accelerating the return to full employment, it’s going to make a huge difference in people’s lives, and it has already, as I mentioned in my remarks, opening remarks, the recovery has been faster than we expected. Part of that just is very hard to predict, given we’ve never seen an event like this, but part of it is just the strength of the fiscal response.
Which I think will look good over the years longer term. You know to really. That’s it, the first part is about avoiding scarring, and I think we’ve not avoided all of the scarring. But we’ve probably avoided. The worst case is there and and I hope we keep at it and we will keep at it with our policies.
Of course, to do whatever we can to make sure that that continues longer term, though what it takes to drive productive capacity per capita or per hour worked to raise living standards overtime is investment investment in people skills and aptitudes, investment in plant and equipment investment software. It takes a lot of investment to to support a more productive economy and raise living standards, and that’s you know that hasn’t been the principle. Focus with these measures, our measures certainly, and we don’t have those tools, but what Congress has been doing is mainly been replacing lost income and beginning to support people as the economy returns to normal. But there should be a focus on longer term focus I think would be healthy on on the investment front. Thank you James politi.
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Thank you, chair Powell. I wanted to ask a question about the eurozone. While the outlook for the US economy has much improved progress in the eurozone has been far less encouraging and it’s showing signs of serious weakness due to the slower vaccination roll out. An renewed lockdowns and restrictions, how worried are you about transatlantic economic divergance and the possibility that that trouble in the eurozone and weakness in the euro zone could drag down at the US recovery as it did in a way in the aftermath of the financial crisis? You’re right that the pace of the recovery is we’re having diverging. Recoveries here, as we did after the last crisis, and in this case, as well as the other one, the US is recovery is leading the global recovery. And.
You know weeks conduct policy, of course, here our focus is on our, you know, our objectives or domestic ones. Its maximum employer pressed ability here in the United States. We monitor developments abroad and we know that because they know we know that they can. Those can affect our outcomes. So I think US demand very strong US demand if.
If, as the economy improves, is going to support global activity as well overtime. That will be through imports and you know when the US economy is strong, that strength tends to be tends to support global global activity as well, so that’s one thing I don’t. I don’t worry in the near term. I mean, I’d love to see Europe growing faster. I’d love to see the vaccine.
Rollout going more smoothly. But I don’t worry too much about us in the near term because we’re on a very good track, very strong fiscal support coming now, vaccination going quickly and cases coming down. I think we’re, I think we’re in a good place. It’s all ahead of us, but the data should should get stronger fairly quickly here and remain strong for some time here. Thank you handling.
Hi thanks so much for taking our questions. I wanted to ask if the Fed is planning on extending the same restrictions on bank dividends and share repurchases.
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I’m sorry. Share repurchases that are currently in place into the second quarter.
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And if you’re considering at all the scenario analysis and mid cycle stress tests that were in place last year this year and kind of what would make you consider
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doing something like that again. So we haven’t made a decision on that. We’re a couple of weeks away from announcing that decision. Then I won’t foreshadowing here. Today I will say we’re going to continue our data driven approach. You know that we restricted buybacks and dividends, so the firms are preserving capital through 2020.
The banks actually increased their level of capital and their level of reserves in the December stress tests showed that banks are strong and well capitalized under hypothetical recessions. That we that we used in December, which were quite stringent. We’re right in the middle of our 2021 stress testing, will release those results before the end of June, and that layer is very significant. Additional stress on top of the stress the banks have already absorbed over the past year. With the unemployment rate going to 11% and stock prices falling more than 50% so. But all of that you know, the results of the stress tests and the decision on on distributions.
All of that is to come fairly soon. As I mentioned, imagine. Thank you, Edward Laurence. Thanks Jeff, offer taking these questions you laid out the standards to lift off and back into June of 2020.
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You said, you know you’re not even thinking about thinking about raising rates,
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but I see seven members seeing lift off in 2020. Three and four next year. How? How much debate and how can you characterize that conversation?
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Has there been about moving off the lower bound earlier than signaled? Well, I. You know, it all depends. We’ve set out very clear criteria for liftoff, right where we’ve said we want to see. Labor market conditions that are consistent with our estimates of maximum employment and that doesn’t just mean unemployment, it means a much broader set of criteria. We want inflation at 2% and not on a transitory basis. And we want inflation on track to it too.
Be moderately to run moderately above 2% or something. Those are the three conditions everybody on the committee agrees to that, right? So it comes down to what’s your projection for the economy. If you want. If you want to, you know people will have a range of assessments for how good the economy is going to be and.
You know we don’t. I would say that we’re in a relatively highly uncertain situation. If you look at the uncertainty people people on the committee broadly say that uncertainty about the forecast is very high compared to the normal level. We haven’t come out of a pandemic before. We haven’t had this kind of fiscal support before, totaling it all up. So you’re going to have different perspectives from committee participants about how fast growth will be, how fast the labor market will hear, how fast sorry inflation will move up.
And those things are going to dictate where people write down an estimate of liftoff. Of course, this isn’t a decision to lift off. Now we make that decision then, but it’s an estimate based on based on assumptions about growth and it’s it’s meant to be a tool to generally show the public how our objective function works, how we think about the future. It isn’t meant to actually pin down a time when we might or might not lift off. We were not going to make that decision for some time.
The chances are that the economy in that time and place will be very different from the one we think it will be, so I sometimes with the dots have to be sure to point out that they are not a committee forecast. Then you know this, but they are not a committee forecast, it’s just compiling these projections really of individual people. We think it serves a useful purpose. It’s not meant to actually be a promise or even a prediction of when the Committee will act. That will be very much dependent on.
Economic outcomes which are highly uncertain.
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Thank you will go to Brian Chung. Under Chairman Powell wanted to elaborate a little bit on your commentary about the fiscal stimulus,
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so it sounds like you, I guess. See the case for even, maybe more, investment, at least from Congress, to support the more productive economy as you answer to genus question. So we just have $1.9 trillion in spending. So where do you see the physical space right now?
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Do you still? I guess maybe see the country in a place right now,
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where it wouldn’t be a concern if there were to be more spending at this time. No, so Brian, it’s not up to us to decide what Congress should spend money on or when I was answering genius question, which really was how do we assure lack of damage to scarring for example, or lack of damage to the productive capacity of the economy. And I think what’s happened so far has done a pretty good job of that. But really, I wanted to make the longer run point that to work on the productivity on productivity over longer periods. That is, that it comes down to a number of things, but one of those things is investment. Investment in people in their skills, education, aptitude. All of those things I’m not in any way suggesting that that’s something Congress should work on right now, or that you know, that’s just not.
That’s not our job. I’m just saying that that is what fiscal policy can do that really. Monetary policy can’t do is invest in the future productive capacity of the economy. Raise potential growth. Those things are completely tools that Congress has.
And again, I wasn’t making a comment at all on the current fiscal setting. Thank you next to Michael Derby.
3 – 0:39:16
Thank you for your question. I just wanted to get your an updated view on your sense of your view on financial stability risks an whether or not you see any pockets of excess out in financial markets that concern you. Either you know specifically to that area of the market or as in terms of like, the threat that it could propose to propose to the overall economy.
1 – 0:39:38
Or so, as you know, financial stability for us is is a framework. It’s not one thing, it’s not a particular market or a particular asset or anything like that. It’s a framework that we we have. We report on it semiannually. The board gets a report on it quarterly and we monitor every day and it has it has four pillars and those are four key vulnerabilities.
Asset valuations, debt owed by businesses and households funding risk and leverage among financial institutions. Those four things and I’ll just quickly touch on him. So if you look at asset valuations, you can say that by some measures, some asset valuations are elevated compared to history. I think that’s clear. In terms of households and businesses, households entered the crisis in very good shape by historical standards.
Leverage in household sector had been just kind of gradually moving down and down and down since the since the financial crisis. Now there was there was some negative effects on that. People lost their jobs and that sort of thing, but they’ve also gotten a lot of support support now so the damage hasn’t been as bad as we thought. Businesses. By the same token, had a high debt load coming in and.
But many other revenues declined, but they’ve done so much financing and there’s a lot of cash on their balance sheets, so nothing in those two sectors really jumps out is really troubling short-term. I mentioned funding risk as the last one, so we saw again in this crisis. Breakdowns in parts of the short-term funding markets came under tremendous amount of stress. And they’ve been quiet since the spring and we, you know, we shut down our facilities and all that, but we don’t. We don’t feel like.
We can let the let the moment pass without just saying again that that those some aspects of the short-term funding markets and, more broadly, nonbank financial intermediation, didn’t hold up so well underground. More broadly, nonbank financial intermediation didn’t hold up so well under great stress under tremendous stress, and we need to go back and look at that. So a very high priority for us. As regulators and supervisors is going to go back and this will involve all the other regulatory agencies, it does involve all of them as well and see if we can strengthen those things. So that’s sort of a broader detailed look.
2 – 0:42:07
Thank you Michael McKee. The chairman, can you help me understand something about the the Sep and your forecasts? The inflation that you’re talking about for this year say is transitory, then by 2023 you’re back down to two point 1%. There’s no forecast for a rate increase for 2023. If you get to 3 1/2 percent unemployment, but inflation is only at two or two point, 1%, are you willing to leave rates at 0 going forward from there,
3 – 0:42:38
or roughly 0 going forward? Are there, in other words, could we be in a Japan like situation where rates just stay low because inflation does?
1 – 0:42:49
Well, again, I wouldn’t read too much into into the March 2021 Sep Dot plot. Remember what it is? It’s a compilation of individual projections by individual members. They’re all making different assessments. They have different forecasts. Economic forecasts.
Some have more optimistic ones, some less optimistic, and also remember that the Sep doesn’t actually include all the things that go into maximum employment, right? It’s only it only includes unemployment, so. I would just say. We’ve set out clear guidance. The message from the SCP that I would like to leave with people is we set out clear guidance.
I mentioned what it was. Its inflation up to, so it’s it’s labor market conditions consistent with our estimates of maximum employment. And that’s not just unemployment, it’s all the other indicators. But overall, totaling up to maximum employment, it’s inflation at 2% and not on a transient basis. An inflation on track to exceed 2% for moderately for some time.
Those are the criteria were committed to robustly implementing that. Guidance, and that’s what this that’s what this says. That’s really all it says. We’re going to wait until those requirements are met, and again, you know the state of the economy in two or three years is highly uncertain, and I wouldn’t want to focus too much on the exact timing of a potential rate increase that far into the future.
2 – 0:44:23
Follow up, I’m just wondering before 2019 always say you were focused on the problems with having interest rates too low. How are you saying we’re willing to live with it until we reach these goals? Even if you get the. Reach your goal on maximum employment.
1 – 0:44:44
So what I would say is we’re committed to giving the economy to support that it needs to return as quickly as possible. To a state of maximum employment and price stability, and. You know, to the extent, having rates low and support from monetary policy broadly to the extent. That raises other questions. We think it’s absolutely essential to maintain the strength and stability of the broader financial system. And to carefully monitor financial stability questions, if that’s what you’re getting at.
We do that. We monitor very carefully. I would point out that over the long expansion, longest in U.S. history, 10 years and eight months rates were very low, for they were at 0 for seven years and then and then never got above 2 two point 4% roughly during that. We didn’t see actually excess buildup of debt. We didn’t see asset prices form into bubbles that would threaten the progress of the economy.
We didn’t see the things you didn’t see a housing bubble, you know, the things that have tended to really hurt an economy and have in recent history hurt the USA. We didn’t see them build up despite very low rates. Part of that just is that you’re in a low rate environment. You’re in a much lower rate environment. Anna connection between low rates and the kind of financial instability issues is just not as tight.
As people think it is, that’s not to say we ignore it. We don’t ignore it. We watch it very carefully and we don’t think we think there is a connection. I would say there is, but it’s not quite so clear. We actually monitor financial conditions very, very broadly and carefully, and we didn’t do that before the global financial crisis 12 years ago.
Now we do, and we’ve also put a lot of time and effort into strengthening the large financial institutions that form the core of our financial system are much stronger, much more resilient. That’s true of the banks. I think it’s true of the SCPS. We want it to be true. Of other nonbank financial intermediation markets and institutions, so I think that’s. That’s you know, monetary policy should be to me.
Provide for. We’re achieving our macroeconomic aims, financial regulatory policy and supervision should be for strengthening the financial system so that it is strong and robust and can withstand the kinds of things that it couldn’t. Frankly, and we learned that in 2008, nine 10. This time around, the regulated part of the financial system held up very well. We found some other areas that need strengthening, and that’s what we’re working on now. Thank you. Anakin, CNN.
Thanks for taking my question. I’m chairman Powell. Could you talk to us a little bit about the relationship between the persistent pandemic unemployment and the expected increase in employment inflation?
1 – 0:47:56
Does the former offset the latter to some degree? I’m sorry, could you repeat that you broke up there for a second?
2 – 0:48:03
No, no. I was hoping that wouldn’t happen. Can you hear me now? Yes yeah, OK, great. I was asking if you could talk to us a little bit about the relationship between the persistent pandemic unemployment and the expected increase in inflation.
1 – 0:48:17
I’m wondering whether the former offsets the latter and to which degree you guys are monitoring this. You’re asking about the relationship between unemployment and inflation. Is that is that the question?
2 – 0:48:31
Yes, exactly. OK, they offset each other. The persistent demik unemployment.
1 – 0:48:39
Yeah. I think I’m hearing you correctly, so I would say a couple of things. There was a time when there was a tight connection between unemployment and inflation. That time is long gone. We had extremely low unemployment and not extremely low. We had low unemployment in 2018 and 19 and the beginning of 20 without having troubling inflation at all, we were 3.5%. We were bouncing around with unemployment, 3.5% to 4% and it wasn’t just unemployment, participation was high, wages were moving up.
Is very healthy thing and we didn’t see price inflation move up. There is a relationship between between wage inflation and unemployment. But that is not what happens is that when wages move up because unemployment is low, companies have been absorbing that increase into their margins rather than raising prices. And that seems to be a feature of late cycle behavior. So we’re not when we, when we seek to achieve low unemployment, high levels of employment, which is our mandate.
So we think we have the freedom to do that based on the data without worrying too much about inflation. Thank you going to Greg Rob. Hi, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to follow up a little bit. I understand what you’re saying about the dot plot and and the message you’re trying to send with the dot plot, but does the same apply for the taper tantrum?
3 – 0:50:19
You’ve said that it’s going to take some time to get some fundamental progress on your goals, but it seems like sometime could now be anytime.
1 – 0:50:30
Well, so we’ve said substantial further progress. Now if you go back. October, November sorry, November, December and January. Progress in the labor market slowed very sharply, so you had an average of 29,000 jobs per month. If you go back and look at the level of job creation before that was very, very high, very high. So we weren’t making any progress on the labor market from November through January, February, we saw a nice nice pick up.
A good job report 379 thousand 465 private sector, so that’s good. It can go so much higher though and and you know it would be nice to see to really make faster progress. That’s different from substantial progress. We’d like to see it be the higher than that, and I think it will be. That’s the expectation is. You’ll see now.
I think, really strong job creation return, not as high as it was in the very early days of the recovery. The reopening of the economy, but nonetheless very strong. OK, So what I’m saying is to achieve substantial progress from where we are having had three months of very little progress. Substantial progress from where we are having had three months of very little progress is going to take some time and we don’t want to get into. I don’t want to get into trying to put a pin on the calendar someplace because it’s going to be data dependent when we see when we see ourselves on track to make substantial further progress, we’re going to. We’re going to say so.
We understand fully that that test is one that involves judgment. If you remember during the. The global Financial crisis recovery. We said we quantitative easing number three was the test was a substantial improvement in the outlook for the labor market. But what does that mean?
Well, it means a substantial improvement in the outlook for the labor market meant we would communicate when we thought we had that. This is just like that in a way. What we’re saying is substantial. Further progress toward our goals will. Tell people when we think until we until we say.
Until we give us a signal, you can assume we’re not there yet, and as we approach it well in advance, well in advance, we will give a signal that, yes, we’re on a path to possibly achieve that, to consider tapering. So that’s how we’re planning to handle it. It’s not different, really. From from from QE three, and I think we’ve learned what we’ve learned from the experience of these last dozen years is to communicate very carefully very clearly well in advance. And then. Follow through with your communications.
In this case, it’s an outcome based set of guidance as our rate guidance is an, it’s going to depend on the progress of the economy. That’s why it’s not appropriate to start pointing at dates yet.
2 – 0:53:23
Thank you, thank you. Thank you Don Lee latimes. Hydropower? And as you know, household households are sitting on a lot of excess savings, and I wonder if combined with that you have and unleashing of.
3 – 0:53:44
You know pent up demand. How much do you think that would affect that would affect inflation?
1 – 0:53:50
And would you expect that to be real transitory? We you know we and everyone who’s forecasting these what we’re all doing is we are looking at the amount of savings we’re looking at. We have reasonably good data on that and we’re looking at the government transfers that will be made as part of the various laws, and we’re trying to make an assessment on what will be the tendency of people to spend that money. The marginal propensity to consume. And from that you can develop an estimate of the impact on spending on growth. On hiring and ultimately on inflation, so that’s what we’re all doing, and we have. You know, we have. We can look at history, and we can make estimates, and those are all very transparent and public, and you can compare one to the other.
And of course, we’ve all. We’ve all done that, and I think we’ve made very conservative assumptions and sensible mainstream assumptions at each step of that process. And what it comes down to is what I said before, which is very likely. Will be a step up in inflation as March in April of last year dropped out of the 12 month window because they were very low inflation numbers. That’s that’ll be a fairly significant popping inflation.
It’ll wear off quickly though, because it’s just the way the numbers are calculated. Past that. As the economy reopens. People will start spending more and then you know you can only go out to dinner once per night, but a lot of people can go out to dinner and so they’re not doing that now. They’re not going to restaurants, not going to theaters. That part of the economy and travel and hotels.
That part of the economy is really not functioning at full capacity. But as that happens, people can start to spend. It’s also wouldn’t be surprising if you’re seeing this now, particularly in the goods economy. They’ll be bottlenecks. There won’t be, there won’t be able to service.
All of the demand maybe. Maybe for a period, so those things could lead to an. We’ve modeled that other people have to weave, and what we see is relatively modest. Increases in inflation, so, but those are not permanent things. You know what will happen is the supply side, the supply side. the United States is very dynamic.
People start businesses. They reopen restaurants. You know the airlines are we flying again. Well, all of those things will happen and so it will turn out to be a 1 one time sort of bulge in prices, but it won’t change. Inflation going forward because inflation expectations are strongly anchored around 2%.
We know that inflation dynamics do evolve overtime. There was a time when inflation went up. It would stay up and that time is not. Now, that hasn’t been the case for some decades and we think it won’t. It won’t suddenly change to another regime.
These things tend to change overtime. And they tend to attend to change when the central bank doesn’t understand that having inflation expectations anchored at 2% is the key to it all. Having them anchored at 2%. Is what gives us the ability to push hard when the economy is really weak. If we saw inflation expectations moving materially above 2%, of course we would conduct policy in a way that would make sure that that didn’t happen.
We’re committed to having inflation expectations anchored at 2%, not materially of or above or below 2%. So that’s, I think if you look at the savings, look at all of that model it. That’s kind of what comes out of our assessment. There are different possibilities. I think it’s a relatively unusual, very unusual situation to have all these say.
Wings and this amount of fiscal support and monetary policy support. Nonetheless, that is our most likely case, and as the data coming in the economy performs will of course adjust our outcome. Based guidance will immediately adapt. We think to meet whatever the actual path of the economy is. Thank you will go to Scott Horsley for the last question.
Thanks Jeremy, tell my questions about those supply chain bottlenecks,
3 – 0:58:09
especially on the good side. Are they getting better or are they getting worse? We saw they were sort of a drag on the industrial production numbers we came out yesterday and what do you expect them to do to prices in just in
1 – 0:58:23
the short run? You know, say I think it’s impossible to say frankly with any confidence, but I would expect it’s very possible. Let’s put it that way that you will see bottlenecks, emerge and then clear overtime and you’ll probably see that over a period of time, because you know, really, the. The the strong data are ahead of us. You know you’re right now that the checks are going out just just now and that’ll that’ll add to spending. Covid cases are coming down.
Vaccination is moving now quickly. You know, the really strong economic data is coming. It should be coming assuming we stay on this track and that’s when you’ll really know where the bottlenecks are. But you can see though, that they’re not. These are not permanent, it’s not like the supply side will be unable to adapt to these things.
The market will clear, it just may take some time and some of the answer to that maybe price. In many cases it won’t be price. Yeah, you’ll see that people were reluctant to raise prices, and it’s a little bit of the story about. You know the wage the wage Phillips curve does show that as unemployment goes down, wages move up, but companies choose not to try to pass that price increase along to their customers. So you’ll see a lot of that here too, I think, anyway, we’ll see, but that’s my basic basic sense.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
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