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Joe sits down with Michael “Venom” Page, a professional mixed martial artist currently competing in the Welterweight and Middleweight divisions of the Ultimate Fighting Championship.www.ufc.com/athlete/michael-page
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the house. The most enigmatic, difficult dude to solve in all of MMA. That’s you, man. Bro, you
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know what? I I always I wanna start simply because you what you have done for me specifically, I get a lot of criticism, a lot of hate, and especially, obviously, jumping when I first got into the into the MMA world. New to me, you know, I’m just like, okay. Let me just be ai, do my thing.
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First fight goes well, land this crazy kick, go viral, and I get nothing but hate. Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate.
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But then having prominent figures like yourself that are constantly have been championing my style, champion championing the, like, the points element of things, I just appreciate you for that.
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Oh, my pleasure, brother. I appreciate you. It’s almost like we called for you because there was a time in the early days of MMA, like in the early two thousands where I was ai, this is what’s missing. Mhmm. This what’s missing is point ai. And people would, like, mock me. They I’d be like, no. No. No. No. No. Like, I’ve sparred with these dudes.
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You can’t hit them. It’s a different thing. I’m like, they have a very specific skill, that skill of closing distance and being elusive.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s not like any other sport. It’s almost like fencing and MMA combine or and martial arts combined.
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Yeah. Yeah. I always tell people that, like, most of the combat sports in terms of kickboxing, the full contact side of things is more to do with the there’s a fixation of power, not the people else. Whereas our element is just the speed element.
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Yes. Just
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getting in and getting out. Yeah. I get in touch. Like you said, the tag tag kind of feel, fencing. Mhmm. Similar kind of footwork and yeah. Just not many people had decided to cross over to any kind of full contact world, really. And he had the likes of Wonder Boy Thompson.
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Raymond Daniels. Raymond Daniels. You and Raymond were the most prominent ones in Him and Glory. Yeah. Of course, you and Yeah.
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In the Well, he did a little bit ram MMA. A little bit of MMA.
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But you’re more prominent in MMA. Yeah. The the point was that this was a an element that when I remember when I was doing Taekwondo and I would fight in tournaments, I would occasionally fight in point ai tournaments. Yeah. And if I’d fight a guy like Mafia Holloway or one of these guys that were really good. I’m like, this is crazy. This is such a crazy skill.
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Very different.
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And when I saw MMA where a lot of guys were just, like like, real flat footed and waiting, I’m like, there’s a giant opening here. Yep. And then you came along.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And you really were the proof of concept. Mhmm. And I was like, okay. This is it. You get a world champion at that who figures all the other stuff out because, essentially, striking is striking.
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You know,
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you can learn throwing leg kicks differently. You can learn, you know, different stances and movements. The grappling is the big heat. That’s the big hurdle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But once you can solve the takedown defense
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and some
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of the grappling hurdles and you’ve actually got submission victories Mhmm. Then you got a real problem because every fight starts standing up. Exactly. Every fight starts standing up with a big ass fucking cage. It’s a big ass cage. And I see guys like Kevin Holland, ai, he’s like, what the fuck do I do with this guy?
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He hated every moment of it. Oh, yeah. I could feel it. But that’s that’s just ai of my style is that kind of frustrating people because it’s just so unfamiliar. For, like, you for someone like yourself, you would kind of be in there. Whether you’re successful or not, you’d understand what’s happening.
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And you’d you’d be calm enough still to be like, hey. I need to know know how to figure this out because I’ve I’ve experienced this before. Yeah. For someone that’s never experienced and because there’s few of us in the MMA world, who do you go to to train?
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You there’s very few people that are really good
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at that. Yeah. And like Ai said, Wonder Boy Thompson Yeah. He you know, a friend of mine, obviously, me and him and, you know, just us getting on. And he’s even said people have contacted him. Like, oh, yeah. Come fight an MVP. Like, I wanna train with you. He’s like, I want MVP to win.
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So
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hey. He’s like I can’t help you, bro.
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Can’t can’t can’t do anything. Well, it’s
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it’s good for the sport. Yeah. It really is because, you know, like, think about there’s certain techniques just come along ai the calf kick. And all of a sudden, like, how was this people have been kicking legs for so long. How was this kicking a different spot on the leg kind of revolution?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We need to see that. Yeah. Yeah.
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And I think the introduction of you is gonna make a lot of these guys that are, like, high level point guys go
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Mhmm.
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There’s a there’s a spot there.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because the open look, there’s always an advantage in the fact that every round starts standing up.
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Mhmm.
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As long as you have take down defense, every round starts in your realm. Mhmm. And your realm is different than all the other stand up realms. It’s totally different. And if a guy is applauding guy and he thinks, oh, this is my ai. Like Yeah. That’s not your world. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s not your it’s your world against someone who agrees to fight the way you fight.
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A 100%. Yeah. And I always say that is because Ai, you know, I’ve got come up against guys and was like, man, he can he’s got big big hit a big punch on him. And I agree. I’m like, yeah. I get it. But power only means something if you land. Yeah. And my whole element is, like, not being touched.
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It’s also fucking with people’s heads. Yeah. One of the one of the things he did during the Jared Cannon Deer fight after you hit him, meh was like, calm down. Calm down. I was like, oh, no. Because you imagine just getting popped. Your eyes are running. Your nose hurts. And this dude standing in front of you going, calm down.
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Calm down. I’m like, no. We did it. Oh, no.
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But that’s
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the It’s psychological warfare.
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The end. That’s obviously that’s kinda, like, part of my personality coming out and the entertainment side of meh. And a lot, obviously, added to the criticism that I would get, which because of how I would make my opponents feel in terms of their frustration and then obviously the antics on top of it, so many people the the the the main term that came with me was like, oh, he’s fighting cans.
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He’s fighting cans. That that my whole career was, oh, he’s fighting cans. Like, he can’t but I always say to people is, I’m just making it seem a lot less difficult than it actually is. These guys are super talented fighters. Yes.
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I’m just not fighting on the same wavelength and timing as them. As you said, these guys that plod around, they’re so used to it. So when ai fighting other people, it looks very even. And when they’re fighting somebody that they just can’t get their hands on. Yeah.
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And they’re getting frustrated on top of that. So there’s the mental side, the physical side.
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And you have a lot of power, so there’s consequences.
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Yeah. There’s consequences. It’s not like you’re
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tip you know, tippy tappy Yeah. Yeah. You’re patting them. Yeah. Yeah. Every now and then, like, the Sai fight was one of the craziest knockouts in all of MMA history.
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You know, one thing I actually wanted to do I actually brought some gifts for you, but one of the things I actually wanted to bring for you Don’t tell me you brought
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a piece
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of his head. No. You wouldn’t let me have that. Sai, yeah, I have to leave it. I actually wanted to we we basically had a Pokeball come. It’s a very specific one, and they messed up on delivery. But I’m gonna get it to you in Vegas.
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Okay. So
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when we go over to it, I’m just making sure. I I get that to you because, again, it’s something that you’ve spoken about with meh, and it’s a big it’s a big part of my my history, in Ai. Just that that that cyborg fight.
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So yeah. That was the most gruesome injury I’ve ever seen. I’ve seen a lot of broken bones. I’ve never seen someone with a caved in head. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. The doctors were saying that, what we were hearing back ram, they said he’s only ever seen that in a car accident. Never in Yeah. That’s That’s him. Yeah.
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Yeah. That is so crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was his last fight. And I know after the fight, he was like, we’re gonna fight again. The doctor’s like,
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hey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think he was I’m so someone sent me something where he was supposed to fight ai. And and then I I I’m not sure what happened there. But, yeah, he didn’t fight. Fight again after that. What made it I felt very bad, obviously, at the time as well, but then I didn’t see him for another two years.
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Right
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now. Boom. That was just
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And the sound the sound of it was is only when I watch it back.
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Sound. Give me the sound, Jamie. It’s hard to breathe. So just about everything you need in a fight, you lose off the liver shot. It can Oh. Runs into the truck knee, and it’s over. It sounds like a baseball bat on a pumpkin. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just what?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. Yeah. It was diff thing is I didn’t know. I I I keep telling everybody. I didn’t know what happened because, obviously, they’re like, you celebrated, like, threw the pokeball at him afterwards. I did not know. You thought it
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was just a knockout? Yeah. There was a knockout.
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And, obviously, Kaslan kicked his legs. I’m I’m assuming maybe I broke his nose or because I can see he’s not out, but he’s in pain. It must must be something like that. It’s only the next day that I found out. But, yeah, it was it was a bad one.
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That was a bad one. Yeah. Yeah.
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It was a it was a very bad one. And the thing is, like I said, I met him, I wanna say, like, two two and a half years later down the line. Obviously, this clip’s just being going going crazy online and so on and so forth. And I just I felt awkward. I didn’t wanna but Ai also he had come over for another MMA shah, but with one of his students.
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But one of his students was fighting one of my teammates. And at the beginning, my coaches were like, oh, do you wanna, you know, go on, yeah, at some point, go and see him and say ai? I was like, yeah, please. Like, I’d love to because that’s the last time I saw him. The fight happens, and my teammate is known for his leg locks and breaks his his student’s leg.
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So I’m like, fuck’s sake. Oh god.
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So now I was just like, do you do you wanna go and see him? I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ai I’ll try. I just I just felt like I needed to. Sure. And I kinda walked into the room. His ai obviously upset for losing his like, getting sorted out by the medics, and he’s sitting there, just looks at me, and I’m like, hey.
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Ai, What what do you say? Like Yeah. Ai. Like, I sai just like, hey. He’s, like, shook my hand. Like, I could just feel the energy wasn’t right.
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It just wasn’t the right ai, but I didn’t know when I ai get to see him again. And I haven’t, again since. Sai, yeah, Ai just felt it’s just one of those things I just felt bad. Yeah. But what do you do? There’s nothing. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. What do you do? What do you do? Ai got a broken leg. You broke his head.
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It’s just Just sai
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the fuck away from you and your crew. I mean, at least you’re nice about it and friendly. Yeah. It is what it is. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s such an interest because you’ve trained with, Marius, my coaches. One of my coaches, Marius. Yeah. Yeah. And, obviously, he says to say hello.
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Thomas said hi.
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I love that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He sai he trained with you ai. I think you guys trained for about four years with Eddie Bravo as well.
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I’ve known him for twenty years. Crazy.
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Crazy. Crazy. And that’s obviously, that’s a big part of my my history now with them them two, the brothers, Alexis and Marius.
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Were you at the gym when when Lee. When Lee Marie was no?
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No. No. No. I was just after. Yeah. Yeah. It’s that.
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Luckily But
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interestingly, though, when I was in at the time that he was around, I was still very, like, heavily focused on the points ai kickboxing. So but a friend of mine was training at shoot, and he was like, you need to come and train with these guys. Like, these guys are serious.
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And But for me, MMA was just never gonna be a thing that I’d ever see myself in. Really? I’ve always seen it as, I guess, like, your average fan back in the day and ai now of, like, ah, it’s brutal, man. Like, I Right. And, again, I’m a points fighter.
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Like, I
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Sai don’t see myself being good enough to or tough enough to fight these guys. Like What changed? Obviously, Ai had a successful career in the kickboxing, but didn’t really go anywhere. It’s like you’re fighting the same people over, like, ai amount of times me and Raymond have fought. And we were ai the some of the top two guys.
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Like, we were both in the competition. Like, we both walk in the ram. Everyone was like, oh my god. Are these guys gonna fight? Like Right.
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Meh were the ai. But I’m fighting the same people, and it’s just ai everything. Everyone hoping that you’re gonna lose or your fans are kinda, like, supporting you. And then I come back to reality, come off a plane. I traveled.
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I fought all the, you know, the whole week or whatever, won a world ai, and I’ve come back home, and then nothing. Yeah. I come back home to just me being ai, just me being me, which I’m okay with. But there’s no recognition. There was no sponsorship.
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I you I paid to do everything. And as I I loved it. And if I could choose the route again, I’d still do it because I absolutely loved it. But there comes a I’m getting older, and this comes a point where I have to start and I’m now starting to, but at the time, I’m I’m a kid.
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But now it’s getting to the point where I have to work. And so now it’s ai, I can’t do this forever, but at the same time, I know I want to compete for a living. I just didn’t know what in what. So then I sai to myself, okay. Cool. Let me I need to take a step away from this.
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I know while I’m in this, this will be a distraction. I’m not gonna be able to focus on things because another competition that I’m gonna wanna win is gonna come up, and it’s gonna turn my attention. So I said, look. I’m gonna I said to everyone, I’m retired. I thought, let me say it to as many people as possible sai that it’s hard for me to turn back on it. So I’m just like, yeah. I’m okay.
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Yeah. I’m I’m retiring now. Not fine again. Yeah. This is my last fight. And I said, cool.
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Started to go around looking at boxing gyms, looking at full contact kickboxing, looking at MMA gyms. And the first gym Ram actually went to was, in Miami, Coconut Creek, American Top Team. Ah. Yeah. Because my sister, used to live in that area because I got, siblings over in America as well. So came out there.
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And I in my head at the time, there’s only few people from The UK that was doing anything in MMA. So when I was like, maybe I’m gonna try Meh, I was like, obviously, I have to go to America. And I’m lucky enough to have siblings that live over there, so I’m good. So get to America, get to American Top Team. I go in there.
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I’m like, this is where I’m gonna start. Like, I’ve met couple of the coaches and just kinda just like general chitchat. I didn’t tell them who I was or anything. Just kinda saw the vibe. The the facilities are amazing. I was like, yeah.
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This is this is gonna be my new life. And then I get back to England, and a good friend of mine, Marvin Francis, was like, just in case, just have a look at some gyms over here. You don’t know. Just walk before because, obviously, Ai got things to sort out before I can just make the full move.
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So while you’re doing that, let’s have a look at a couple of gyms. And we did some research. We went to a couple of the Gracie gyms. Went to a few other gyms that I was around that I found London Shootfighters. I hadn’t done any research.
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And at this time, I personally wasn’t watching MMA at all. The only person I What
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year is
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this? So I ai have been I would have been what? 24? So what’s that about? It’s over twelve, thirteen years back. And I’m trying to say that only guys in The UK would have been Brad Pickett was fighting, Solid ai. Solid fighter. Michael Bispin was ai. But and nobody had, like, achieved anything of big quality from there. Everything everything was in America.
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Was Bisping still living in England, or had he moved to America?
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I think he was still in Sai think he was still in England. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, again, I was only learning it as I got more into it. But ai, I just thought I made the decision without actually researching anything, which is very much like me. I’ll just jump in head first. Figure it out.
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Figure ram afterwards. Right? So I literally I said to myself, okay. Cool. I’ve got to London shoot ai, and the only person I knew was Chuck Liddell.
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That’s I’ve actually seen. And I just was like, this guy was just knocking people out. I was like, that’s I could relate to that as, like, he’s a striker. Everything else, I didn’t really care for. I was typical fan. Like, when they go on the floor, I was like, oh. For fuck’s sai, stand up. Stand them up.
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So Ai never been to a show or anything, but these he’s a guy that I like watching, and then I wanna make I made a decision. I wanna do it. Cool. Ai in London shoot fires. And for some reason, the guys there I don’t know because I’ve I’ve had good coaching.
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So in my meh upbringing, so I can I feel like I can hear sense? When I’ve gone to a place, I’m I’m hearing how they’re coaching and what they’re saying, and I’m like, it just makes sense to me. I was like, cool. I sana start here. I still wanna go to America, but I’ll start here for now and then just see where it goes.
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And Ai just fell in love with the place.
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Was that the first time you did any grappling at all?
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Any grappling at all. Wow. Didn’t do any Ai I all I was doing every day was applauding people because I was tapping. Every two seconds, Ai just
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every two seconds. Ai. Right?
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But I loved it, though.
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Oh. Well, you have a good mindset.
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Yeah. It was it was weird. Like, I kind of enjoyed the fact ai, I’m looking at this guy. Like, if I saw you on the street, in my head Right. I’m destroying you. Yeah. But this guy just twisted me up into a pretzel. It’s a humiliating feeling.
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Oh, so humiliating. But I again, I crave if I go back to the point side, from about, like, you you met my brother outside. Him, he’s my he’s the oldest, of my siblings, sorry, of my the the boys. My sister’s the oldest, then it’s my brother. I’ve got two other brothers, then me.
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And at the time, we were fighting around, but they were winning everything. I used to get my ass kicked everywhere we went. And this is every single weekend. That’s crazy.
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Ev like, he was for me, he was the more talented one. But, I mean, like, every single weekend, we’re driving to Birmingham, to Manchester, to Scotland. We did trips everywhere. Like, my my dad started the gym. He was going around everywhere. And every weekend, there’s, like, three hours that way, four hours this sai.
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There’s coming back, and I’m just kinda boss lip. And then there’s the medals are just ai, clink, clink, clink, clink, clink. Like, they got all the meh, and they’re talking about how they spin kick some ai, and they did this. And I’m just like, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool story.
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And I got destroyed for four, five years. And when I is that I got to a ai, is in Birmingham. It was an Sai Ai, qualifiers, and I I managed to win that, which that in itself was success for me. Like, I’m like, oh, man. I I qualified to go to the world championships. I’ve already done well. Everyone else was they were so they were supposed to do it.
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Like, they’re good enough to have the expectation of themselves. So then I get to the world championships. And the way they seed fighters in The US was very different to The UK at the time. So I had one fight, another fight, another fight, and I’m winning, and I’m, like, happy. I’m, like, I must be in, like, the finals already.
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And then I’m like, okay. Bring the Cedars fighters in. And there’s, like, a shitload of fighters during your your your meh. And I’m like, oh. Ai my dad would tell me. He’s like, yeah. I think you’re in a in a in a semis. I think you’re in a quarters.
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And then he was like, bro, just keep fighting. He said he couldn’t work out. Ai. I don’t know. Seriously, I Ai genuinely don’t remember.
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I just remember just feeling ai, and I I didn’t understand why this was still going on because in the competitions, three, four fights are in a final. Right. And I’d I was at least 10 fights deep. I still felt like I was fighting.
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All in a day? In a day. Wow.
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So there’s a again, the Ai, world champ is in Orlando, Florida. And it’s it’s a it was the big, at the time, the biggest, points kickboxing competition. So there’s thousands and thousands of competitors, kids, adults doing forms, doing, you know, caters and all this stuff. And then, you had the points fighting, the light contact fighting, and that was it. And yeah. It just all day. And then it literally got to this, like, okay.
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I won a fight and the guy was, like, okay. You’re in the final next. The referee said that to me, and I was, like, oh, ai, I can’t believe I’m in the final. And this guy was very good. I can’t remember his name.
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He was young. I was I think it’s, like, 12 or 11 at the ai. And I won the fight. It just collapsed to my, like, my my back. I was just like, oh my god. Everyone ran in there because, again, nobody expected that of me. And I remember going in there.
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The trophy itself was six foot tall. And in my head, I was like, I just want one in my house. And I managed to to win that, but something that competition clicked. So all the times I was getting beaten up, all the competitions, I was getting destroyed at. And Ai wasn’t even, like, close. I was getting destroyed. I won I won this competition, and I went back home.
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And every person I used to get destroyed by, I was smoking them. Like, something was different. Instantaneously. There’s there’s a weird shift that just went click. Wow.
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And all the kicks that would I’d walk into face first. I was like, oh, actually, I can do this.
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I was ai, wow. You entered into the matrix. Ai
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literally I just I to the point to the point where so when when I went back home, it’s like ai, and for the year of that circuit, I they didn’t lose a fight. And this is from this is from getting warped. That’s ai. All the same ai that I I grew up.
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They must have been ai, what the fuck?
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Yeah. What the hell is going on here? Then the when I was 13, I asked my dad, I was like, can I please fight in the seniors? And the seniors are eighteens plus. And he was ai and he said it to me. He said it to me later on. He was like, as a coach, I knew you could. As your dad, I was like, hell no. And I begged him.
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Like, every competition goes, like, please, can I ai the seniors? Please. And there was a big, British championship competition. And I was I begged. I was like, please.
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God he was like, you can do this one. And again, I don’t think he’d remember, these guys are 18, but all different sizes as well. Sai don’t think he knew I’ll do well, but not as well as he I did. So I won the my senior division Wow. For my weight.
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And like I said, these are big men. But the problem is whoever when you win in this competition specifically, when you win your championship, you go into the grand championships. And I’m like, dad, you gotta let me go. Yeah. He’s like, no. That’s this is different now because they’re they’re the winners of their division.
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This is that was your weight division. Now these guys are the winners of their own weight. Yeah. Ai can’t do this. I begged him.
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And I beat everybody and got to the ai, and the final was really, really close. And I felt like I got robbed. And even my dad was like, he could never tell me no after that because I destroyed some of the best fighters on the in that in The UK at the time.
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Do you think it was a confidence thing of having gone through that grueling tournament and proven that you could do it, and now you didn’t have doubts in your mind anymore? Or was it you had just seen so many different high levels of competition that, like, maybe your own expectations had risen?
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Like, what what was it that made that instantaneous shift? Because it’s one thing to go and compete and do really well all of a bryden, and, like, now I’m competing. But then you went and you were doing against people that were normally beating you Yeah. And you’re fucking them up. That’s that’s a that’s like a 50% shift. Yeah.
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That’s a massive shift.
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I would say one thing, obviously, I hated losing as anybody would, especially as a kid. And we also and I think as for all of us, we wasn’t allowed. So a lot of the kids would fight for us and then the seniors would ai. And but because we all traveled down together, we stayed the whole competition until the seniors were finished so we can drive back.
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A lot of the other kids were messing around when, obviously, we ai, these guys Ai spent I’ve I’ve known since I was eight years old that I’m still good friends with now because we were the kids, like, playing with each other afterwards, like, just being cool. But my dad was like, no. No. No. You represent me. You sit down and watch.
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Ai as much as we could play a little bit, like, when he wasn’t looking, but we have to try and get back to the mat to make sure we were watching people. And Ai I feel like I’m a visual learner, and I feel like that helped me become that visual learner. As much as I was getting my ass kicked, I was also spending time watching amazing athletes at
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the time. Ai think it’s an important thing to mention that at that time, there wasn’t video readily available ai there is. Exactly. Like, I remember the first time I went to the Taekwondo, World Cup. It was in Colorado Springs in, 2000 I mean, not February. ai. I think it was ’86.
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Sana the first time I went, I immediately got better just by seeing
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Speak him.
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Yeah. Just by seeing everybody. I just went as a spectator.
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Yeah. I
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hadn’t beaten beaten anybody to qualify for the nationals. So when I went there, the whole experience was just absorption.
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Yep.
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And I came back and I was much better.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Much better. Ai never seen those guys live, but my expectations for competition, my expectations for movement and speed, everything had risen.
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Yeah.
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And at the time, I was 18. So it was just when you’re 18, your brain just you just absorb. Yeah. You just absorb.
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And I think even more so when you’re younger.
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Yes. And failure when you’re a little kid. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I like, I my first competition, I was five years old. So that is just, many years again being up. But That’s
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incredible, though, because your body develops with that. Mhmm. I I started a little late. I started karate when I was 14, and then wrestling and taekwondo when I was 15.
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Uh-huh.
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But I wished I started earlier. Yeah. Because I was with these guys that were younger, and their their little bodies had, like, grown stretching. Yeah. They’ve grown punching and kicking. Like, you develop into that.
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Yeah. Well, funny you say that. I that’s where my name came from. So Venom came from when I was nine. And the only kids that was in my dad’s class at the ai, mainly, arya few others, because he at the time, we did it was basically one class. He didn’t really separate the kids and adults. He’s just one class. So you’re I’m trying my best, throwing everything in to hit adults. And Yeah.
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Ai not moving, but I’m trying my best to just get some kind of reaction. And then when I started hitting people my own size, even though I was losing because they were they just obviously, I was tall for my age as well. So I was fighting kids slightly more naturally developed than meh. But I had a had a whack on me.
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That’s a great way to put it.
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You know what I mean? Like, even though I I, you know, I wasn’t beating these ai. These guys were just way too fast for me. But when I hit them, they felt it. And it was one of ai, again, Marvin was literally just like, you got some venom in you, man.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And we was very into, like, kung fu movies back in the day. And then, and I was very, creative mind. Like, I love just just even with my martial arts. I learned a ai like this, and now I have to add something I hope Ai can’t do things conventional. I’ve never never liked to do it. If there’s a everyone’s walking that way, I’m like, I wanna see what’s over there.
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I kinda just I don’t know what is wrong I don’t know what’s wrong with meh, but
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Oh, what’s right with you?
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Oh, what’s right with me? But I just got that like, I was curious and creative. And so there’s a film called the Ai Deadly Venoms, like, old school, old school kung fu classic. And he would be like, yeah. Five Deadly Venoms. Let’s make a move for each, like, thing because he’d be like scorpion or toad.
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And I ai make up weird moves and try to add it into and that was always my thing. I see something on the in the movies, and I’m like, I’m gonna try it in there in there. This is all while I’m still getting beaten up, by the way, as well. But that never left me. So even when I started beating all these people now, I’m doing it with the style and flare of, like, what more can I do? Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Yeah. So yeah.
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Yeah. But it’s it’s so perfect for martial arts for you, for MMA because a lot of MMA is pattern recognition. Mhmm.
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You
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get you get accustomed to certain types of movements. I know this guy’s gonna do this. The calf kick’s gonna be available. I’m gonna faint with this, and I’m gonna throw that. I’m gonna shoot that double here because I know he’s gonna come with the overhand. Right? Mhmm. All these patterns, you don’t have you don’t have normal patterns.
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Ai all.
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So you’re moving around, your hands are down, you’re ai, they’re like and they have to make up new patterns as they go along. So they have to think.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. They have to react it’s it’s such an advantage.
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Yeah. And I always tell people that, like, the first time they’re actually really gonna experience this style is on the night. Yeah. And you have to figure it out on the night.
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Because there’s not enough guys that have what you can do that also compete in MMA. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a there’s might be five or six in the
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whole world Yeah. Yeah.
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Which is nuts. Yeah. It’s kinda nuts. Yeah. It’s it’s really the I had been saying this for decades. I’m like, this is the one thing that’s missing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And then and then when you came over, I was like, see? This is what I’m saying. This is crazy. You can’t even hit them.
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It’s weird though. It’s a blessing and a curse. Blessing, obviously, being being having the advantages of a ai. But sparring, headache. Earlier, a lot of people wanted to kinda, like, let me see what this is about. Then word spreads quite quickly, And I struggle with sparring.
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I think starting to come back now, people are a bit more willing. But I struggled with sparring.
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Couldn’t get sparring.
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Couldn’t get sparring because Yeah. Also, I and I kinda see it from other people’s point of view. It’s like, well, why I’m not gonna fight anybody like that. So why why why am I coming over here?
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Yeah. But if you saw that, if you, with your mindset
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Yeah. I’m going over.
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You would be like, I gotta figure
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out what the fuck he’s doing. A 100%. And my teammates, they’re forced to. Right. And a lot of them, they even sai, like, I’d spar you, and then I go speak someone else. And it they feel so slow. Mhmm. Because I’m when I’m with you, my eyes are like this. Like, I’m I’m forced to be, like, ultra alert. And then I go on and someone’s running a punch.
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That’s the
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thing too. It’s exhausting. Yeah. It’s exhausting. Your style is exhausting because you always have to be at high alert. There’s no moment because there’s so many times where you’ve done ai like a a shift in rhythm Mhmm. And it looks like you’re slowing down and then you explode and crack people. Mhmm.
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And you’ve done that so successfully so many times that if they’ve watched any tape, they know there’s no there’s no moments Mhmm. Where you could catch your breath. Mhmm. There’s no moments. Mhmm. And you’re always putting pressure on people. You’re always fainting. You then the faints alone. See, people don’t even know.
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They don’t know.
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You’re just standing there. It looks like you’re just standing there. But you’re standing there and you and a ai fainting, and you you never know when he’s gonna actually launch. And you Yeah.
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Yeah. The whole ai constantly
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tense. You can’t breathe.
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And that’s just their energy bodies doing this without anything happening. Anything, without any kicks landing. No punch, which is actually why I’m actually, a big fan of, like, Thomas Moreau as well. Oh, yeah. You don’t really see that anywhere full stop, but definitely not in a heavyweight division.
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No heavyweight moves like him?
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No one no one moves at the end, man.
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He moves like a one eighty fiver.
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It’s crazy. With that kind of explosive Yeah. And that power, it’s crazy.
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Crazy speed for a heavyweight.
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Crazy speed. And that’s why I wanna see it.
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The Jon Jones thing was being, you know, like, Jon is one of the if not the greatest fighter of
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all time,
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but he’s not the fastest guy in the world.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He hasn’t, but he’s just so complete and his fight IQ is off the charts.
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Yeah. Yeah. Off the charts. Ai Very well rounded. Very. Very well rounded.
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And and wild. Mhmm. Well, you know, opens up his world title fight with Shogunn with a flying knee.
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Yeah. Crazy. Ai.
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Yeah. You know, just just believes in himself,
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goes for it. Confidence.
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Yeah. Yeah. Goes for it. I thought that was a complicated match up for him.
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It is. It
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is. Because that guy is not easy to get to the ground and, Aspinall. And he’s fast as fuck. Yes. And he’s big. Yeah. He’s a legit two hundred and fifty pounds vatsal.
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Not Yep.
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You know, no he doesn’t need anything. Anything. Yeah. There’s no way he can make two zero five ever. He’s fucking big. Yeah.
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I I’ve got the dream with him and I went down there. I was like, this ai, he’s a he’s a tank.
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It’s a tank. So that’s a problem. Yeah. That’s a problem when you’re not really a heavyweight. As great as John is Yeah. And I think John beats most heavyweights that
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have ever existed.
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Yeah. Ai that’s a that ai a prop Francis is another problem. That’s another problem. Mhmm. Because you’re dealing with the real two hundred and sixty five pounds solid Yeah. Yeah. Vatsal, grew up in the sana mines. Literally
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His story is crazy. Crazy. His story is
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Brochini told it on the podcast. He told the whole story of him going to Morocco and getting to Europe. Yeah. That’s a movie, man. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Crazy movie. I’m surprised nobody has jumped on that.
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I’m surprised too. Someone needs to. Yeah. Yeah. It’s nuts.
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Yeah. That we’ll do it. We’ll do it. We’ll do it.
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But when ram he was a child working digging sand in Cameroon. It’s crazy. You know? Incredible. And then you you have incredible genetics. Yeah. And then you have just this fierce mindset from all the shit that ai been through. Yeah. Yeah. That that was that was another one.
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So there was two fights that I was really interested in with with John and heavyweight. Once he won the ai, like, God, bring back Francis, please. Yeah.
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I just don’t get
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out of here. Out your difference. I wish I was running shit. Shit. I feel like I gotta me and him get along great.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I just feel like I don’t know. I think sometimes it’s, the executives and the fighters and Dana generally gets along with people. Yeah. You know, like most fighters he gets along with, but him and Francis, it didn’t work. Yes. I love the guy.
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I’ve never I’ve never got had the privilege of meeting him, but he just seems very speak, like a big friendly giant ai of the cage. Yeah. Exactly. Big friendly giant.
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But as a
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fighter, I was just like, I’m
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gonna make it happen.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Keep them around.
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You gotta That’s more important. More extraordinary
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gem.
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Yeah.
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And you wanna talk about sellability. You wanna talk about marketability. Mhmm. What’s more marketable than a giant man who destroys everyone? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. He’s the guy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So true.
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Drove me nuts.
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I know. Drove me nuts. Everybody. And I think that’s added to people’s frustrations with the Tom Aspinall fight not happening then after as well.
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Well, that was not on the UFC’s side or on Tom’s side. Mhmm. That was all John Yeah. Look, John’s a wizard. He knows how to play all games. Mhmm. And one of the games he plays, I’m retired. No. I’m back.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But now I’m hunting after my Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It doesn’t matter ram him. He’s gonna get the same amount
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of money.
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He’s still John Jones. Ai, it’s all it’s all mind fucker. Yeah. Like, keep you guessing. And meanwhile, John’s deadlifting every day. You know what I mean? And partying. He’s he’s just so wild.
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But it’s
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like that that fight would have been amazing to see.
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But to meh, the So that means it probably could still happen, though?
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I hope so. Yeah. I genuinely hope so. You know, they were talking about doing it at the White House. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then Dana said
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Dana’s ai, I can’t trust John to show up and be ai.
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Which is fair. Which is fair. But I sai,
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there’s been a few times that things went awry. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough.
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However It would be it would be great. Do it on a card where you have 12 other fights. Yeah. That’s what I say. Who gives a fuck? Let’s see if it happens. If it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen.
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That’s true. That’s true.
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That’s why I would be, let’s go crazy. Let’s fucking go
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all the way. I think what it I I guess what would happen is it that fight overshadows many fights. Uh-huh. So if it doesn’t happen, even though the fights are amazing still, people are like,
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It it does, but so what?
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Yeah. I
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mean, you know, you get I don’t know who you would do. Ilio Toporia versus Justin Gaethje or something like vatsal. Something crazy like that.
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Yeah.
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You’d have a few other fights. It depends on what happens this weekend with Pereira and Ai. Yeah. Yeah. It depends on what happens with Ma’am sana Corey Sandhagen. Yeah. Those are two very complicated fights. Beast. Yeah. Very ai.
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Beast, man. Beast. He’s such a beast. Ai not
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Dude, he was talking to I forgot who he was talking to. He did an interview. Oh, he was on, Mighty Mouse’s podcast. Yeah. No sauna, no cold plunge, no stretching.
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Doesn’t do any of that.
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Doesn’t do any of that. Just no warm up.
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Mhmm.
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Shows up. I just show up, start to train. Just shows up shows up and fucking hits the gas. He stays up to one, 02:00 in the morning. Just Just, ai, his whole routine is totally contrary to everything that you’ve heard before. And this is how he weight cuts. I stop eating. He just stops eating.
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He stops eating on Tuesday. He just stops eating, stops drinking water, keeps working out.
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Oh, man.
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The man’s mind is a giant factor that I think a lot of people are looking at his cardio which is of insane weapon.
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Of course. Yeah. Yeah.
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But the man’s mind Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The toughness, the mental tough, that is Fort Knox. Yeah. You ain’t getting in there. You ain’t getting in there. Remember that time who was it? He was mounted. I forget who got him, But he got him in a mounted guillotine, and he didn’t I think it might it might have been Ricky Simone.
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And he or was was it I don’t know. Somebody else had him, and he got out, and then he won the fight. But he was he was being choked unconscious for, like, two minutes. Yeah. Yeah.
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And he’s
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like Ai
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he’s, like, kicking his legs and moving around. He’s like, there’s no quitting that guy.
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Fucking zero quit. You have to put him out.
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Zero quits.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. In the Marlon Ai fight, he was basically out on his feet
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the first round. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he just
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came back and stopped him. He’s a monster.
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He’s a beast. He’s a beast.
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And he keeps getting better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when it got you know, you feel like, oh, sai guy like that is so good. Look how good he is. He’s better
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than everybody.
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No. No. No. No. No. Yeah. He’s still
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getting better. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, he’s
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not done. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He’s a project.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. He’s like, what can the human mind force the human body
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to do? And how young is he now?
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He’s ai 34, I believe.
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Yeah.
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So which is in that ai class. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He’s a little bit more of a problem in the heavier weight classes, but I don’t see any His like
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you said, his mind is
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His mind is a fucking steel trap.
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Ai it’s funny you sai that because I don’t I don’t really have structure either. So I sai, the weight cut, I do, but that’s because I came in with no understanding of weight cut. And honestly, it was ai, you do this.
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You look so big for one seventy. How the fuck did you do that? How much are you cutting when you went to one seventy?
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So even, like, ai, I’m massive now.
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Yeah. You look ai let me guess. Two twenty? What do you weigh right now?
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Yeah. It’s about two yeah. About two fifteen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because Ai gonna do it in KG. So yeah. Right. Okay. But ai
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the kill goes. We never adopted them. Sai stupid. It’s a way better system.
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But yeah. It’s but I’ve never struggled to get down, though. Because, again, I was just told I guess it’s ignorance as well, but I was just told to do these things. And it’s, like, okay. You do it.
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What is it? Like, what do you when you start, like, sai, you get a call from the UFC weeks out. Okay. Well, how how sai you’re not gonna accept any two week fights?
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No. No. Well, it depends on the ai. And it depends on I’m always training.
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But middleweight, maybe you would.
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Middleweight. Yeah. Middleweight, is
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You have taken some short notice fights. Yeah. Short
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yeah. For for middleweight. Which was the first one Ai was the first one or the second one I ai? The last ai. Maybe. But I I would take short notice ai. It’s depending on where I am. In training? In in training. But even I just like to have a a rough idea.
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Right? Leaving right now, it’s ai trying to get in. I’m like, I’m bugging people because Ai I’ve I’ve come from a circuit where we fight weekends. Right. Every weekend, we’re somewhere. It keeps you sharp. Yeah. And then this that’s this is probably the most frustrating thing for me.
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Obviously, ai the Bellator tour, and you’re training all the ai. And then you have a ai, and then you train I’m just like and a lot of my ai, I I don’t get take too much damage. So I’m like, I’m ready now. Like Yeah. Give me a week off, and I can come back. And then it’s months and months.
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I’m like, well, who am I fighting? Do this and
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The problem is you’re a hard sell.
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Yeah.
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You know, when they when people get a call. Yeah. It’s a flat bottom dude. So I’m here. They’re like, shit. I’m gonna have to learn how
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to dance
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in six weeks. Fuck.
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And that’s the thing. Sai I’m here and I and I I assumed wrongly that when I get to the UFC, that is gonna disperse. Everyone’s gonna be gunning for me. Mhmm. Like, yeah, I sana I wanna show everybody that this guy is is is is a can. Like, he he he only fought people that weren’t his level. Just it’s it’s still the same.
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I think, and obviously, the more I fight, the less people are putting their hands up. I think even, Whittaker said, which I respect to be fair, he came out. I don’t really sai. Somebody sana me something, but he had said, like, yeah. I wouldn’t be interested in making that fight. Yeah. He’s a guy.
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His career, that’s just a setback waiting to happen. Yeah. It’s not and his style is very similar.
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Exactly. Yeah. I’m a massive fan of his as well. Like, I love his obviously, he can tie in the the wrestling way better and just yeah. I I love his style.
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I do too. No. And and you gotta realize, like, that guy, he’s take he’s been in it for a long time. He had two fucking wars with Yoel Romero Yeah.
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Yeah.
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When Yoel Romero was made out of metal. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. That guy’s fine. He’s still fighting.
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Still. Yeah. Yeah. 48 year old fucking people up looking like he’s 30.
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Ai shah what he’s doing in a sec.
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Who wouldn’t? Bro, when he was in here, he was he came in the studio. It was the most amazing thing because, Joey Diaz translated for him. Yeah. So it’s him and Joey Diaz going
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back and forth
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and, you know, Joey’s Cuban as well,
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of course.
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And so, when when he was here he had to be two hundred and thirty pounds. He his neck starts at the top of his ears and one of the things that he sai, man, he was talking about the Cuban system. He goes,
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you have to be a ai.
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Because he was talking about the system of, like, you get more food if you’re at a higher caliber of athlete.
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Oh. So the Just to get more food, he’s like.
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The athletes yeah, man. The athletes that are the lower caliber, they eat twice a day. Yeah. In his caliber, he’s eaten three times a day. He’s ai,
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so every day every day they’re coming for you. You have to be on my chin.
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And I was like, oh my god. And he has to look in his eyes, man.
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Bro, we are soft in the
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West, bro. Oh, we’re so soft in the West. We’re so soft in the West.
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What the hell is this?
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Ai not a fan of communism. I don’t know anything. But damn, it creates a fucking beast. Alexander Corellon. I mean,
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I don’t
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know if you get there’s two things you don’t get that with. There’s ai substances. Yeah. Yeah. There’s with for sure taking place and then there’s also there’s a a regiment that they have both the Cuban system Yeah. And the Russian system Yeah. Yeah. Where they had figured out the balance between unbelievable hard work, but technical ability and recovery.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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They didn’t go meathead style.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. In America, we went meathead ai, and we burnt a lot of dudes out. But the dudes who survive were just the killers of the killers.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But they probably could have made more killers like the Russians did if they did it more technically.
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Well, it’s the same. So again, shoots, they’ve been okay. They were the first MMA gym in The UK. I think, like, ai. ’97, ’95.
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I got a t shirt. I got a London shoe fighters t shirt from 02/2012.
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Yeah. Crazy.
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I couldn’t find it.
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I was looking forward to it. Crazy. So like I said, they’ve been around.
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So
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yeah. Yeah. I’m gonna I’m gonna tell them. I’m gonna tell them. They’ve been around a long ai. And, obviously, they’ve fought with every I think they fought with every every major competition that’s ever been out. They’ve they’ve done boxing with the likes of, like, David Hay, Derek Chodorow. Even Dylan Ai did a a kickboxing fight with them.
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You know, myself, Lee Murray, John Hathaway, even, like, Carlos Romano was the first Czech guy before Yuri to be in the UFC. That was them guys. They’ve done a lot, but they’re the meathead style. Yeah. They are ai yeah.
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Everybody will anything
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to produce Lee Murray.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, you got that guy in your gym. The It’s
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the problem.
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Just the echoes of that guy’s style will permeate to that gym for decades.
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That guy is just a angry man.
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He was an angry man.
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But then at the same time, you needed somebody, like, because my coaches are beasts. Like, you needed that kind of militant force to be able to manage that and cope with that. And that’s what my coaches they are. They’re ai yeah. They’re they’re people used to come to our gym and we’re just like, yeah. Who’s ready? And if you don’t do, I’ll do it myself.
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That’s one thing I always respected about them. Even with the machines like, the fitness machines that we had to do, the scores are crazy. Like, I’m I sai people in other gyms posting their scores. I’m like, is that it? And they’re celebrating it. And I’m like, we’re forced to do this.
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How is that? But he’d push you, but he’d also do it himself. Like, he’d jump on a machine. That’s the climber. Yeah. Smoke it.
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Ai, like, five fights back to back. And then running and this and ai. And we’re doing we have to do all of it because he’s doing it. And he’s not doing it. He hasn’t got a fight.
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That’s the way you lead.
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Yeah. And he he led that.
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Especially with killers. Exactly. Yeah. That’s the problem. They demand respect. Right. And they have to know that you’re real. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Ai, you’re just some pontificator on the sidelines with a fucking clipboard. Fuck off, bitch.
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Which is more nowadays, like, I’m seeing a lot of, like, and to be fair, I’m a fan of a lot of these ai, like, the fighting nerds. And, again, I’m hearing that they had, I forget, like, an a data analyst or something that’s in and he does, like, this you know, he studies this.
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And I think that’s cool. Like, I feel like we we should have, like, add elements of these things as well. But, obviously, I’ve just grown up by this ai, Shah Ram.
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It does. It’s ai. Iron sharpens iron. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there’s outliers. There’s a guy who will come out of a gym with nobody and he’s a monster. There’s just a few of those guys that exist in the world.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But for the most part, like, if you look at a gym like American Top Team, for example, look at how many animals have come out of that gym. So many. Pantosha, who I think does not get the credit Yeah. Yeah. He deserves. Yeah. Yeah.
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I think Pantosha is one of the greatest
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ever. Yeah.
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Fucking ai a monster. When that that Japanese cat came over from Ai, he just like like, ragdolled him. Like, he had no business. And then the the Kai Kai France rematch, like, you see the difference between when they first fought and now the difference between, like, a dominant Yeah. Yeah.
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All time world champion.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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People, like, when he’s on a card, like, people don’t freak out. I’m like, goddamn it. Just because he’s a hundred twenty five ai, get that shit out of your head. You’re watching one of the greatest ever.
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Yeah. But that’s the thing. That’s it’s the marketability of people. This is what I knew I had to get right as well. Yes. And a lot of I I say that to my teammates as well. I’m like, do you know how you’re gonna market yourself? And then, Ai just you know, if I beat people up, it’s like it doesn’t always just unfortunately, it should, but it doesn’t That’s not what’s gonna get you.
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If I have to as a promotion, owner and the person managing everything, I’m either gonna pick you that’s beating everybody but nobody cares about or this guy that’s, you know, pretty decent but everyone’s making noise about. Gonna pick that ai. So you need to be able to market yourself.
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And I’d I knew that from the jump, and this is before really social media was massive massive. It’s a it’s a thing. But I said to myself, okay. I need to look in how am I gonna market myself? Because we don’t have that much time, like, on the mic.
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Yeah, the the interviews at the time, I don’t feel like people got the recognition. People just cared about the fight. They just want to watch the fight. Fight. I didn’t care what you said beforehand. Right. Unless you’re arguing or shouting into you know, there’s there’s beef.
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Unless you grab that mic and go crazy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta go crazy.
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Chelsea was the first person to
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be out. Yeah. He was He figured it out before he’s the best. Yeah. Yeah.
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Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck. He’s the best ai.
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But he’s
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still this is why he’s
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on the mic now. Yes.
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But it was
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He’s the best. Perfect.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was perfect.
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But there was balance with
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that. King.
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There was for me, there was perfect balance. Like, it it wasn’t too far.
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It was it was
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it was exactly what you wanted. Right. Exactly what you need to to market a fight and to promote himself.
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Yes. Yes. I agree with you.
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But well, ai, again, it’s weird though because I think authenticity is important when you do that as well though. And Sana McGregor kinda is the next person for me that’s kinda delivered that.
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Oh, 100%. He took it to a whole another level.
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A whole another level. Every time this guy’s on the mic, he’ll say one line and I’m like, t shirts. Easy. T
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shirts. Jeremy Stevens is yelling out, but he goes, who the fuck is that guy? It’s you can’t beat this guy.
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I don’t hey, mate. I’m just like, why did you even open your mouth, bro?
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It’s so
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funny, man.
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It’s so funny.
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But you and you need to be able to do that. Like, I before I even had my first fight, I would I spent hours. I was a big WWE fan, and I felt like The Rock, you know, Dwayne Johnson for out of all of them, was the best at marketing himself. He had the the the crowd in the palm of his hands, every word that he said, and it’s simple sayings. And I was like, yeah. I studied this.
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Studied this. I’m like, okay. Mhmm. Okay. What what and even, like, his stance is he’d come up, like, jump on the ropes and put his hand up and just stand there. Look around.
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You know
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what I mean? Like, he just he just demanded eyes. Sai, again, I just came to okay. What what could I do? What could I sai I was like, okay. You know, venom, you know, the speak. Ai was related to a snake. Okay. Ai, okay. Yeah. Let me let me do this. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let’s check.
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I got I got I got stars that I can do. Okay. I need a saloni. Okay. Like, what can I say?
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Because, again, I used to listen to people on after ai, and I didn’t hear anything they said. They’re like, yeah. What what
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I’m ai. Yeah. Beat that guy guy. I don’t know.
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Right. Here. Thank you for my sponsors.
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Right. Who? Who were your sponsors?
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Right. Didn’t hear anything. So I’m like, you have to be, like, concise. I have to say specific words and just I write this stuff down. Ai, again, I speak to my team. It’s like, bro, what are you guys doing? You need to do this kind of stuff and understand that this is a part of your game. You are you’ve got five seconds after the fight on the meh.
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If that what are you what are you going to say? What message is gonna land? What is gonna make you memorable? And I do things on my walk ins as well. I need people to remember. There’s they’re watching 16 fights on the night. Why do they remember me? Yes.
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My my style is exciting. That’s cool. There there’s this weird guy ai some weird stuff with his arms and Ai he’s quite cool, but they’re not gonna remember my name. They need other things to keep them coming back. God, there’s this guy ai in the way and he stood above this ai, put his snake hand up and then, oh, that’s the same guy that did the dance because now you’re getting it from different places.
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That’s the guy that threw the pokeball. Oh, what’s his name? What’s his name? The more times you keep hitting them with different things, the more times they they more likely kinda really buy into you.
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Ai I
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think this is why I was able to create a big enough brand before even touching the UFC just because Ai paid attention to that.
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You were the one of the first guys to make a name for yourself in Bellator. Mhmm. Because Bellator, it was hard to break out.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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There were some wild fights in Bellator that never got recognized.
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At all. Yeah. Yeah.
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How about the Eddie Alvarez, Michael Chandler fight?
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Beast, man.
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Fucking crazy fight. And I feel like they those guys left a lot of who they are there. In there.
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Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah.
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We got them kind of after.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And Chandler is still remarkably durable, but that’s just a discipline thing and a hard work thing.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think he’s just accustomed to like you said, he’s been he’s trained a certain way his whole life. He’s always gonna have that kind of athleticism.
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But he’s, you know, 38
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now. Mhmm.
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I mean, it’s like you can only Ai wished he had not been in Bellator. Look, I I’m all for competition.
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Mhmm.
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I think competition’s important. Yeah. I don’t think there should be a monopoly in the MMA business. I think it’s bad for the athletes.
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Yeah. Definitely.
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I love the fact that PFL overpays people.
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Keep going. Kinda like it. Give a million dollars to everybody.
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Get a million dollars. Everybody gets a car. You get a car. You Ai wish there was more organizations. I Yeah. Yeah. I hope one f c succeeds.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It does help. It helped. Ai helped me as well even in my negotiation.
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Fucking everything. Yeah. However Yeah. There’s a caliber of athlete
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That I feel like should only be in the UFC.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And you’re one of those guys.
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Thank you. I appreciate it.
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There’s a caliber of athlete where, like, I wanna see how good they really are. Mhmm. You know, ai, some guy ai Patchy Mitch.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Patchy Meh is a beast. He’s a bad motherfucker, but so is Mario Bautista. Mario Bautista had the perfect game plan to fuck up his party. But that dude, when he was in Bellator, was of that caliber. I was like, I wanna see him over here, man.
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I I I personally and obviously, because I’ve experienced it, for me, the first time I got nervous in an MMA fight was my first fight. In the UFC? No. My first fight ever. Ever. And then after that,
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I
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was like, oh, yeah. This is the same as when I was fighting the kickboxing. Ai I’m cool. I didn’t have any I didn’t get the nerves again. The first time again since then was the first no. No. Sorry. Weird enough. The second fight in the UFC against Ian Garry.
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Now the first fight, I don’t know why. I just I don’t I don’t know what it was, but I was quite relaxed. And then the second fight, I was like, oh, it’s something a reality hit me of, like, oh, you’re in the UFC. The people are gonna demand a certain thing from you, and you got a reputation of before of the knockouts, of the sai of the celebrations, of the walk ins, of the this, of the that.
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And then I just let that put weight on me. Really?
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy that it was the second fight. Sai I
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I can’t even explain as to why it was the second fight and not the first one. And then even the third fight, I still had that kind of, oh, man. I’m not performing the way I sana, and I felt like I’m eager to impress. Mhmm. And I never felt like that in Bellator. But at the UFC, I’m like, I’m trying my best to I I ai see how to sit.
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Yeah. It’s weird. It’s the same
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thing. Same
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thing. Cage, cameras, people. Same thing. Same thing.
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But I just the magnitude of it, I don’t know. I I I’m I’m guessing.
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It’s what we all grew up with.
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It’s what everyone grows up with. It’s like It’s This is where like I said, there was always question marks around my name. If I was jump jump knees and this and vatsal, always question marks around my name still. But then now I’m here. It’s like, oh, actually, I can these guys can respect me now. Actually, respect me now because I’m here. Yes.
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And And then Ai just, like, trying too hard, trying too hard, trying too hard. The last fight was the first time I was like
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You’re back.
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I’m back. And this is why I was like, just keep getting me back in the cage because I swear to you this, that I got I’m back to where I used to be and how I used to feel.
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It’s just an issue of getting guys that are willing to fight you that are of a certain caliber.
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Exactly. Exactly.
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Because, you know, obviously, right now, you’re pretty big. So for you to get down to one seventy again would be a real problem. Are you committed to one eighty five or are you No.
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No. No. I
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ai either one?
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Sai want one seventy. I can see a clear pathway. Even after my last fight, I messaged Hunter. And I literally like, look. Oh, let me fight, it was Morales. Yeah? And I was like, look. Another undefeated guy. Perfect fight. Like, he’s a beast. Like, I’m I’m I’m ready. Let me take him.
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Then and I said, what I could do after that is in, like, December, I think I sai, or or no. March next year. I was like, yeah. Give me that for November. Like, March next year, usually come back to The UK. Let me fight the winner of, Leon Edwards and and Pratas.
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Sai was like, another great fight there. Yeah. And then you’ve got July card. Obviously, everyone’s gonna put their hand up to be on that. But I said, if you guys ai me to be on that, again, I’ll fight for whoever you want in in that top range.
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Pick I don’t care who it is. Pick pick somebody. I’ll fight them, and then I want a title shah. Or you give me the title there. Like Yeah.
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But I’m like, I can see a clear path to where what I want. And it’s just everything seems slow, which I I did like I said, I didn’t expect, coming to the UFC. I thought
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I’d be interested. Too many athletes.
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There is a lot.
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I think they they have on contract more than 500. Damn. How many athletes does the UFC have under contract? Throw that into
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But then also, they’re they’re I think and, obviously, I’m managed by Paradigm, with Audi. And he said he feels like, the Paramount deal is they’re having to integrate that now as well. And I’m like, I didn’t think about that. But every time Bellator, because Bellator kept getting new partnerships, it did slow things down a little bit.
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Oh, yeah. That would make sense. So Yeah. That doesn’t start until January.
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But, obviously, they’re sorting out contracts Yeah. Things from now. And then they obviously have to try and align the shows. And I’m guessing. Obviously, I don’t know. But I’m just saying, it just feels even slower than before. And I’m like, I was That sucks. Yeah. Yeah. And I’m like, I just wanna be back out there.
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I don’t care. Just and this is why I’m happy to take
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674. Wow. 674 fighters under contract. And they don’t have fights every week. They have fights almost every speak, but not every week. That I mean, just think about that. Yeah. So you have fifty two weeks. You have all these fighters. Fighters wanna fight multiple times a year.
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I appreciate that, but I’m MVP, man. Let’s go.
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I am with you. I’m with you. I always say that I wish I was a matchmaker, but I don’t. Yeah. Because it’s the hardest job.
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Yeah. I’m sure.
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Yeah. Sai just talked to Joe Silva back in the day when he did it. He fucking hated it. Dealing with everybody and managers and and people flake out. Yeah. Yeah. Failed drug tests. Yeah. Like, goddamn it. And these guys, you know, would what they’re doing right now is very difficult because what what Mick Maynard and Sean Shelby are dealing with is the volume is so much greater.
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Yeah. There’s so and there’s so many more really good guys. Like, in almost every division, like, guys are coming in from the contender series. Yeah. That guy looks like a world championship caliber fighter. Yeah.
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Yeah. Talented. Yeah.
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Saloni off the charts right now, and it’s because they get to watch. Yeah. You know, these are the kids that are growing up watching Anderson Silva. They’re growing up watching Jon Jones’ first fight. Yeah. They’re growing up
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Yeah.
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Watching the early Chuck Liddell fights. It’s totally different.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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They they they like when they’re play fighting with their friends Yeah. They’re in stances that look right. You know? They they know what they’re doing.
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I didn’t know the names of every submission, and this is so true.
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They’re calf kicking each other in the fucking schoolyard. It’s a totally different world.
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Very true.
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And those kids are gonna grow up, and that’s gonna be integrated into their neuromuscular system.
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Yep. Yep.
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Yeah. And they’re gonna learn there’s guys coming along that are, like, elite black belt level jujitsu. Yeah. Elite stand up.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Elite wrestling.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Take down defense, cardio off the charts.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. And they’re 22. Yeah. And you’re ai, this is
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nuts. Yeah.
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Yeah. Now it’s just about way whether you can compete. Yeah. Whether you could pull it off and keep your head together on fighting days. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Which is, again, I think is something that people don’t speak about enough.
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Listen. It’s Speak Pico is as talented as they come. Right? That dude is a fucking vicious boxer.
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Mhmm.
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Incredible wrestling, gold chip prospect from the very but Lerone Murphy Yeah. Is another guy was not I was saying before that, this is the guy Yeah. Yeah. That’s not getting the credit he deserves.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because you got all these loud killers at one forty five. Mhmm. But you got this one dude that does everything perfect.
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Yeah. Yeah. Shah. And he’s beaten everybody He’s beaten everything. Etching away.
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And he doesn’t take damage. Yeah. Yeah. And he’s clever and he’s speak. Mhmm. And he does things and every technique is perfect.
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Absolutely. He
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doesn’t just and there’s no fat on anything. There’s no wild winging punches. Everything’s ai. They tell that spinning elbow was a work of art. He just knew Aaron Pico’s a train discount. Bang.
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That was a crazy that was a
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But that’s the difference between someone who can compete at the highest level. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. And someone’s accustomed to it. Right. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s the knowing when to hit the gas Yeah. When not to. Pico’s just all gas, no brakes.
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Yeah. Go on. What is it? Like you said, it’s ai similar to Michael Sana again.
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Yes.
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Just ai in that rage mode all the ai.
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All gas, no brakes.
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Yeah. You need to take your time.
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But that’s a wrestler thing too. They always wanna break people. Because in wrestling, you can do that. You can have that mentality where
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you’re constantly
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in the gas because you’re not gonna get knocked out with
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a flying knee. True. True. True. It changes.
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Yeah. Because you get that that’s how you compete. You get this mindset of Ram gonna fucking dominate. I know what I did in training for this. My gas tank’s off the charts. My aggression’s off the charts. I’m a killer. I’m gonna dominate. I’m moving forward. I’m moving forward. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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The problem was with a guy like Lerone is, like, you think he’s back and
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Bam. He’s coming forward.
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Oh. Yeah.
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That was that was amazing. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. The timing. It was just, like, oh.
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But Pico even stepped right into the elbow. It was ruthless. It made it 10 times worse. Brutless. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, that’s my thing. The car crash effect when you create those collision moments.
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For a guy like Lerone who’s not a big marketing guy, not a big, like, doesn’t say wild shit on the microphone. Yeah. Just steady professional, does his job. He needs to do that. Right? He needs, like, this spectacular thing where all of a sudden everybody goes
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Yeah.
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Yeah. He needs to fight Alexander Volkanovski and that looks like that’s what’s gonna happen now because of that one performance.
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Which is, I’m so happy for him. Me too. He’s he’s a cool guy, man. I’m so happy for him. But this is ai I tell people if he had a just a little bit a little bit of chat, a little bit of shah your personality or something.
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Just give me something else. You have them. No.
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But you know what it is? I always sai, like, everyone, like, Demetrius Johnson for me is one of the greatest, like
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Of all ai.
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All time.
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Of all time. Another underappreciated guy. Because of his size. Yeah.
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Yeah. But I feel like underappreciated because you can’t market him in the exact same way as you’d market, like, Conor McGregor or somebody else like that. But he’s a gamer. I’m like, shah a light on there’s a massive Yeah. Massive community of gaming. That industry is billion dollars deep.
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Market this guy because he’s on he goes back home and he’s just like Yeah.
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He’s one of them.
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He’s one of those guys. Sai but, again, we didn’t see I don’t feel like we saw any of that until afterwards when he was kinda, like, doing his own thing. Right. And he’s now obviously doing a lot of his YouTube time. I’m happy. I’m so happy that he’s, you know, he’s getting rid of
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the restrictions. Went to one that he started doing more of the game and
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stuff online. But he no. He had been doing it, though.
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He had been doing it in the UFC as well. Yeah. Yeah.
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But, again, it’s just more I ai They didn’t capitalize. Yeah. That’s what I mean. I’m so Ai think sai. Certain people, you have to like, what is your thing? Right. Not everybody is just, the ai. They have thing like, things to ai release, like, wind down and you know what I mean? Yeah. Find that out.
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He’s killing everybody anyway. Sai, like, how else can we market? Instead of being like, ai, can’t market him, his name. He doesn’t talk. He doesn’t do say anything.
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There must be something there. There has to be something else there we could look into.
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Well, it’s it’s it’s it’s interesting because some guys, their personality is no personality. Yeah. Ai, Pereira.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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His his personality is saloni faced.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Just stone faced Yeah. Destroyer, death machine. Here he comes, Amazon warrior. Yeah. Yeah. Like, literal vatsal Amazon warrior. Yeah. Like, not not a faker. His fucking family comes from a tribe
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of Amazon. But then that’s what he markets though.
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Yeah. I guess that’s what they
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arya, but it was He markets that. Arya works out. That that walkout.
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Oh, yeah. That’s true.
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Well, I do it myself. When he’s walking out, I’m just waiting for ram, like,
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ah. That’s true.
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And that’s what I meh, though. I mean, like, that’s you you you’re tyler you’re selling your story with just something so simple.
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A very good point that I didn’t even think of. Yeah. But his walkout. His walkout. That’s why I got a few of you best in the sport. Yeah. Yeah.
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And that’s what I’m trying to say.
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Music. Yeah. Jungle music behind you. You just you just you just sai walk. Just this Amazon warrior. It’s simple.
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Everyone can relate to it.
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Oh, yeah.
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You it’s consistent. Mhmm. So I’m always gonna oh, that’s the guy.
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01:06:53
And you see kids in the audience throw the one, two, on. They do it. Yeah.
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Ai I said, I’m a because I’m a big wrestling sai. I see it’s those moments that everybody will remember and everybody will do.
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01:07:03
Ai. Like like when Ai came into the Undertaker.
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Oh, beast. But that’s what I’m trying to sai. It’s those kind of things that people just don’t. Yeah. And I’m talking the fighters themselves. Obviously, I feel that the UFC can do their bit as well, but, technically, you’re already on the platform that’s gonna show you to everybody.
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So then it’s your job to figure out as well.
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And the other aspect of the game. Yeah. Like strength all these different things.
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01:07:26
Exactly. Just think about it.
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You’re you’re a professional. Figure out how to arya yourself.
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01:07:30
Yeah. You are the product.
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01:07:31
The problem is, though, it does lead to, like, cringe moments or something. Cool. Just tell everybody it’s your personality. And some guys bryden it’s like, yikes. Shit.
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You gotta take the risk. You gotta take you gotta take the risk. Yeah. Because if if it goes well, it goes well. Yeah. It goes well. Ai, like, as you said about Alex Parekh, technically, we wouldn’t care if he walked out of ai got knocked out. We wouldn’t give a shit. Yeah.
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But he’s he’s a killer.
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Yeah. That fight this weekend is very, very interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:08:00
Yeah.
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Because so here’s the downside to fighting all the time. Fighting all the time the with your style is a very different thing because you take so little damage, which is another huge element. Yeah. Like, I kind of would tell people that if you have a kid and your kid wants to learn martial arts and they sana eventually be an MMA fighter, I would say two things.
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Number one, wrestling. Mhmm. Take that kid and teach him how to wrestle because if you could just develop takedown defense and understanding of grappling, at least you have a base from the time you’re real little.
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01:08:31
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:08:32
That should be your base. Yeah.
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01:08:33
Yeah.
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01:08:33
Because it’s the most important aspect of the fight. If you can’t grapple Yeah. Grapple Yeah. A guy can take you down and he can hold you down and he can’t do shit about it. Number two, learn how to point fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Learn how to point fight.
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Distance control.
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01:08:46
There’s a different thing that
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you guys
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are doing. If you got ai, people think of Billy Banks as Ai Bo. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta go back and watch Billy Banks when he was a fucking karate wizard dude.
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01:08:55
Exactly.
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01:08:55
He was a wizard.
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01:08:56
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:08:56
And he was hitting people where you couldn’t hit him.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You
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01:08:59
know, although the old school guys were all like ai on the feet, bladed style Mhmm. And they had this leap in ability Yeah. That if you’re used to a guy standing in front of, it’s a giant problem Mhmm. And you don’t have the timing to solve it. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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01:09:13
You could go two, three rounds deep before you start actually landing it. Exactly. You can’t do anything
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to them. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:09:18
It’s a giant problem.
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And I would sai,
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01:09:20
you wanna be the person giving the other person that problem.
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01:09:22
Exactly.
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01:09:23
Then you can learn all the other
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stuff too. Exactly.
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01:09:25
Learn your your boxing fundamentals and Muay Thai and knees and elbows. But but if they’re nowhere near you Mhmm. And you can hit them, you can close that gap
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01:09:34
Exactly. Quick.
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01:09:34
You have a blitz.
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01:09:35
So Ai meh, understanding that distance control.
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01:09:38
Yes. And also the feints, the stutter steps.
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01:09:41
Those things Change the game.
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01:09:43
Yes. There’s so much movement in that style of fighting that just gets lost when people are plotting. Yeah. You’re just keeping each other
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in the
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stomach and kicking the legs.
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But it’s funny. I’d people always used to go on about me and, Wonder Boy Thompson fighting. And I’d always say it’s like, it won’t be as exciting as you think. For us, ai, me and him, there’ll be moments where we’re bouncing and faking and then we’ll laugh at each other because we saw what would have happened if one of us went.
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But the crowd’s like, the
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fuck is going fight. The fuck are
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you guys doing? Smiling at each other a ai. Like, they don’t get their fight that’s going on Right. In the moment. And I sai to you, it’s it’s not as exciting. Two pluses don’t always give you that plus.
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01:10:23
Not always. But you still wanna see it.
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01:10:25
Of course. Super Bowl was one of these.
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01:10:26
It’s it’s also ai fighting doesn’t have to always be ultimate excitement. You have to like, that’s why I say no stand ups
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01:10:35
Mhmm.
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01:10:35
Ever. When a guy takes the guy down Mhmm. That person on the bottom does not sana be on the bottom. Mhmm. They wanna be up. Mhmm. If they can’t get up, tough shit. Mhmm. It’s only five rounds. Mhmm. Every fight starts to end it up Yeah. Yeah. Which is a giant Advantage.
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01:10:48
Advantage for
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01:10:48
a striker. Yeah. Yeah. Ai. So none of that. Sai, it’s got it’s got to be pure. It’s gotta be real. Can’t have, like, ways that a guy won only because the rules set it up for him to get to a better position.
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I agree. The only the only thing that I find slightly frustrating in those in that element is Ai don’t mind the wrestling. I think wrestling is a is a beautiful art and is, like you said, one of the most important arts to dictate where you want the fight to go. But if you’re taking me down, try to kill me.
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01:11:24
I agree.
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Try to try to finish the fight. Don’t just take me down and just
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01:11:28
I agree.
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01:11:29
I have people, like, grabbing my legs and looking at the clock.
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01:11:31
Here’s the thing. If they’re not good enough to kill you
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01:11:34
Yeah.
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01:11:34
Right? What if they’re good enough to take you down and hold you down, but then they just have to be real defensive afterwards? And they’ll throw a little pity pat. I know.
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01:11:42
I know. That’s the only element that I just But here’s
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01:11:44
the thing. They’re not good enough to do more. Do you know what I’m saying?
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01:11:48
Like But you must be though.
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01:11:50
Maybe not. Uh-uh. Maybe not. Maybe only good enough ai you’re so good and they’re just good enough to hold you down. Mhmm.
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01:11:58
But
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if they’ve reined up and started reined and then you fucking framed ram Yeah.
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01:12:01
I get back ai.
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01:12:02
You got the half guard, you got back up to your feet. All of a bryden, we’re dealing with this
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01:12:05
shit again.
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01:12:06
But then, but you Yeah.
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But if you
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just stay on top and don’t take any chances, now you can’t do shit. Yeah. I agree. It’s just it’s just as fuck.
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And it’s not for me, it’s not even a boring element of it. Like, I still enjoy that aspect. If I was watching, I only enjoy that aspect because I know what I’m looking at now. Like, I’m like, oh, he’s he’s got okay. Like, he’s got the he’s grabbed his wrist egg. Oh, okay. I can see what you’re trying to work to. Okay. Now you didn’t get it. Okay.
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01:12:27
I can I’m still in the fight. Whereas some people I guess the people if you don’t get into grappling, you’re not gonna know what’s happening other than they’re just lying there. So I get it for them. But for me still, it’s just that the aim of this game is for me to beat you and, I mean, like, take knock you out, put you to sleep.
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01:12:43
So I’m trying to show you that I am the stronger man as a warrior, and that’s not by holding you. Right. That’s not by holding you down. Holding you down to get into position to land this elbow and hold you down to get this position to land this yeah. But just to I completely agree.
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01:13:00
However, even though I’m a fan of yours, if a wrestler who had that boring style took you down and held you down for three rounds and won a decision, Ai be like, damn. He did it. Yeah. He did it because he can’t do it any other way. Mhmm. If he can’t stand up with you, he’s gonna get fucked up, and he can take you down anytime. Why would he ever let you up?
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01:13:19
And if losing position is dangerous Mhmm. So if, like, if you’re very explosive and you’re very good at grappling, you’re very good on the bottom, you’ve gotten submissions off the bottom. If a guy rains up and starts throwing shots, but he feels like his base is
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gone Yeah.
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01:13:32
And he just wants to clinch and hold on on and maintain position, and he maintains position with this ai of
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01:13:37
shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On top
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01:13:39
and doing this kind of shah. Just little movements, like, he’s still getting away with that.
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01:13:43
Yeah. Sai agree. I just because that
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01:13:45
might be his only path ai. Yeah. For you. He’s but the thing is, he’s not good enough. Yeah. Yeah. Where then you have guys like Khabib. Khabib gets you down. You’re getting fucked up. And I you’re getting fucked up. Everybody loves that. Everybody loves it.
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01:13:59
He’s talking to you. He’s he creating a space ai still pinning you. He’s crushing
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01:14:03
your legs.
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01:14:04
He’s touching his legs, and he’s Ai to he’s trying to
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01:14:06
choke you up. On you.
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01:14:07
That Ai can appreciate all day
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01:14:09
every day. I can too, but some guys aren’t good enough.
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01:14:11
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:14:12
That’s they’re still fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Right? They’re in there. They’re like, they’re not good enough. Yeah. There’s guys at a world class level that are not gonna be world champions, but they might be able to beat a guy who could be a world champion if they can do that thing.
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01:14:25
Yeah. Just It sucks.
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01:14:26
I know. I know. It’s just hard to it’s hard to class you as a world championship fighter then. I think your world champion is
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01:14:33
a wrestler. Khamzat then. Yeah. Yeah. That’s that. Drakus du Plessis is a perfect example of that. You gotta
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01:14:38
That was an elite grappler Yeah. Yeah.
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01:14:40
Who dominated the fight without with very little damage. Yeah.
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01:14:43
In we’re I dominated it to the point where you’re you’re in the worst position you could be in in MMA. You’re in a crucifix
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01:14:50
Over and over again. Every round. Over and over again. And you You can’t do shit about it.
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01:14:55
You let him just
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01:14:57
You can’t do shit about it.
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01:14:58
But did so do you think that is he’s worried about his him exploding? Because in my head, I’m like, the fight ends if I keep if I elbow the shit out of you right now.
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01:15:07
I think that worried about the chaos and Drake is getting back to his feet and, you know, they wanted to just win. This is the whole thing.
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01:15:14
Because he
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01:15:14
came back to his corner, apparently. And this was told to me secondhand, but I’m pretty sure it’s true.
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01:15:18
Yeah.
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01:15:19
By a reliable source that he was saying, can I box now? I was like, no.
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01:15:22
Oh, okay.
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01:15:23
No. You’re not fucking his team was ai, take him down. He can’t. Look. If you got that clear of a dominance No.
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01:15:30
Ai, that I still agree with, though. As the coach is saying, no. Get take him down. But I’m saying once you are in that position Smash.
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01:15:37
Ai. Yeah. Your whole thing is smashed.
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01:15:39
Yeah. Smash the shit out. This is what the hell.
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01:15:41
Like I think they just wanted that win
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no matter what. You know what I mean?
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01:15:45
Because it’s, like, it’s such a big deal. Khamzat ai got a shot at the title.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Like, just, like, what is the clearest, most intelligent Right.
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It’s just
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If you’re betting a billion dollars in this fight, what’s the best way to victory? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ai just take him down. Yeah.
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Yeah. You can take him
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01:16:00
down anytime you want to. Hold him down. Punch him a few times. Yeah. Make sure you’re in dominant position sai you’re not gonna get stood back up. Yeah. Yeah. If the referee starts talking to you and telling you to gotta start something Just a
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01:16:09
little bit. Yeah.
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Do a little bit of this, do a little bit of that, fake a submission, don’t throw all your gas into
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it. Yeah.
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You know, do whatever the fuck you gotta do, but get that goddamn title. Yeah. Right? And then Yeah. Yeah. Then, you know, there’s gonna be some guys that he can’t do that to.
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01:16:23
Yeah. Yeah.
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And that’s where things get interesting. Yeah.
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01:16:25
Yeah. But who who would you say that is though? Because Ai he’s that his wrestling style is
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01:16:29
just Crazy.
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01:16:31
Yes. It’s So Ai
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01:16:33
Shah had been to his training ram.
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01:16:34
Okay.
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01:16:34
And he called me up. He goes he goes, bro, we gotta talk. He goes, I just got back watching Khamzat train. He goes, Ai never seen anything like that in my fucking life. He’s like, dude, but I’m telling you, he’s mopping the floor with, like, division one all Meh, world class grapplers, jujitsu black belts.
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01:16:52
He goes, he’s mopping the floor with people. He goes, it’s nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Because they asked me if I sana spar with him. He goes, shah you.
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01:17:01
He’s like, fuck you. I’m not going in there. He goes, he was mauling people on the ground. He goes, I never seen anything like it. He goes, it was it was crazy. He goes, he’s so high level.
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01:17:15
Yeah. Yeah. I had the privilege of going to the gym and, in Dubai and, train alongside him and I saw it for ai. And it’s yeah. I was like
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01:17:24
It’s a shocking level of grappling.
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01:17:26
Yeah.
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01:17:27
And when you can achieve that shocking level of grappling on world class MMA fighters, why wouldn’t you do it? This is this is my thing, my take on it. Like, if you just wanna win and make as much money as possible and keep doing that. I mean, you should finish ai whenever you can. Yeah.
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01:17:42
But if you don’t think you can in the path to victories grappling, this is still a sport.
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01:17:46
Yeah. Fair.
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01:17:47
If it wasn’t a sport, there’d still be head butts.
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01:17:49
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:17:50
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:17:50
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shah.
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01:17:51
Yeah. Yeah. Shah. Yeah. Yeah. Ai. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meh. Shah. Yeah. Ai.
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01:17:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:17:57
Yeah. Yeah. But it’s a sport. So if it’s a sport, we’ve got some rules.
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01:18:01
Yeah.
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01:18:01
Ai just don’t think I don’t think there’s anything wrong with winning by the rules. It’s not my favorite style.
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01:18:06
Fair. Fair. Fair. Fair.
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01:18:07
My favorite style is either a knockout artist or submission artist. Yeah. Like a guy who just finishes everything.
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01:18:12
Yeah. Olivero when he was Yeah.
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01:18:14
When he’s in his prime.
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01:18:14
Ram his prime of his kills. Yeah.
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01:18:16
Catching triangles and ai. Yeah. Oh, my God. He was a monster. Yeah. He was so
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01:18:20
good.
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01:18:21
Those guys, like, when you watch a guy who’s ai an elite world class submission artist Mhmm. And the fight goes to the ground, it’s just a totally different thing. You know, you you you’re in real ai, Fabricio Vadim when he was in his ai, when he caught Fedor with that triangle Bro, that was catching Fedor with a triangle
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01:18:37
is crazy. Yeah.
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01:18:38
Just if you know how explosive that guy is and how fast he is and strong and what a great grappler he is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fabricio Virdoom is another guy who doesn’t get his due. Yeah. When you think about all time GOATs
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01:18:49
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:18:49
You think about Noguera Yeah. You think about Fedor Yeah. And you think about Meh. And Fabricio Virdoom tapped them all.
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01:18:56
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:18:57
He tapped all the greats.
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01:18:59
Very true.
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01:18:59
All of them.
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01:19:00
Yeah. Yeah. Tapped them. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:03
Tapped them. All the greats. Didn’t just win by a decision.
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01:19:08
Yeah. Didn’t just hold them down.
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01:19:09
Tap Fedor when Fedor was Fedor. Yeah. People like, woah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy.
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01:19:15
Yeah. Yeah. That’s a beast.
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01:19:16
Bro, he was a monster. Stoic warrior Yeah.
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01:19:20
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:20
From Russia. Not no expression.
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01:19:23
And his He’s the earliest the first of his time.
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01:19:26
Oh, way ahead of his time.
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01:19:26
That’s the first of his ai.
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01:19:28
Way ahead of his time. The ability to catch submissions off his back with lightning speak. He had a lightning fast armbar.
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01:19:34
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:35
And power on the feet.
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01:19:37
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:37
Or he walked down crow cop.
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01:19:39
Yeah. It’s crazy.
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01:19:40
Crazy with stand up.
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01:19:41
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Croco’s head kicks were insane.
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01:19:43
Every kick. Every kick. But, like, Fedor was blocking intelligently too.
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01:19:49
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:49
He was using that high block
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01:19:51
Yeah.
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01:19:51
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:53
Yeah. Yeah.
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Catch that left kick.
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Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he
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01:19:55
caught it they caught it shin to shin many times. It was that was a crazy ai, but Fedor in his prime was so good, man.
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01:20:02
Yeah.
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01:20:03
Because he was the first guy other than Minotaro. Minotaro but he was more dangerous on the feet than Minotaro. But Minotaro on the ground was, like, one of the first guys, like, super dangerous off his back. Yep. Yeah. Just super super lethal guard. Yeah.
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01:20:16
Like, when he beat Bob Sapp, that was the nuttiest fight in the history of MMA. What’s Ai was the nutty he Bob Sapp was
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01:20:23
three hundred fifty
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01:20:24
pounds with abs. I was
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01:20:25
gonna say he’s like he’s kinda like your your in Sana nowadays.
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01:20:29
Babe, but way bigger.
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01:20:30
And Always yeah.
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01:20:31
Yeah. Way bigger, but not as skilled. Yeah.
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01:20:33
No. And it always Different. He’s gotten yeah. Francis’ improvement. Because in his earlier stages, I was just like, yeah. He’s got power, but ai technically, like
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01:20:41
Francis basically beat Tyson Fury in a boxing match.
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01:20:44
Crazy. Right?
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01:20:45
Basically beat
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him
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because I I scored it for him.
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Scored it for him. Yeah. A 100%. They did they just could they could not let that happen.
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01:20:52
He dropped Tyson Fury with a left hook and then dazed
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01:20:54
in
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front of him. I
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mean, that’s that’s Yeah.
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01:20:56
That skill. I mean, he wasn’t ready for Anthony Joshua because Anthony Joshua was a different thing.
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01:21:02
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:21:02
Like, it’s just he’s got more one shot knockout. It was bad game.
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01:21:06
He took it more seriously too. I know he he likes to switch him. But, again, ai is the way the boxing is. If you don’t have that kind of intellect in the boxing, that footwork and foot positioning is put your foot on one side, you’re gonna get killed. You put your foot on the other side Yeah. You’re you’re you’re safe. You can kind of manage manage the power and see the punches coming.
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01:21:28
But he was kept switching stances by just putting him leaving himself in just the wrong positions.
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01:21:32
Yeah. He wasn’t ready
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01:21:33
for a guy like Joshua. Wasn’t ready. There was a lot of hype ai the Fury fight.
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01:21:37
Also, Joshua got to watch him box in the Fury fight ai
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01:21:40
some patterns.
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01:21:40
Fury, I think, probably took him lightly.
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01:21:42
Yes. I think so.
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01:21:43
It’s one of the greatest of all time. This guy’s never had a boxing match. Yeah. At the beginning of the fight, it’s like tyler to go to school. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, really?
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01:21:50
And then he probably got stunned. He just got stunned and that was it. He’s now working.
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01:21:53
You talk to any fighter, they will tell you the worst times of their life is when they thought that a guy was nothing. Yeah. And then in the middle of the fight, they realize, oh meh god, I’m losing.
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01:22:01
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:22:01
They took a guy lightly and they didn’t get up for the ai. Yeah. And then they went in there and that dude was fired up
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01:22:06
and ready
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01:22:07
to go.
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01:22:07
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got but that’s saying you can’t take anybody lightly though.
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01:22:10
No. Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas, another perfect Yeah.
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01:22:13
Yeah. 100% now.
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01:22:14
No one.
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01:22:15
This guy was partying every day.
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01:22:16
Yeah. He break Exactly. He did not take it seriously.
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01:22:19
He did not take it seriously at all. He got big the biggest respect for Buster Douglas on that one, though. That was Oh my god.
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01:22:25
It was one of the greatest performances of any heavyweight title fight ever. Yeah.
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01:22:29
To wanna walk in and do that as well.
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01:22:30
The fact that that guy could do that the whole ai, but only did it against Mike Tyson is nuts. Because he was one of those ai, and we all know them, that is super talented and just never ai their full potential. Like, gym you know guys in the gym, they’re ai, you’d see him spar and train.
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01:22:44
Ai talk about this all the time. Like, I’ve had so many people obviously, I’ve got to see over the years that are talented. And, again, it’s the same thing, but can you do it when it counts? Ai you do it when the lights are on? Can you do it when there’s pressure and it means something to you? That’s it. You, your friends, your family, money.
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01:22:59
Yeah.
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01:22:59
Can you still do it? Yeah. That’s when it counts. But I’ve seen guys that are there’s a guy, actually, and I always talk about him just because he was super unique. And weird enough, he got to the UFC for on a short stint, Golor Buffondo. I don’t know if you ever remember him.
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01:23:15
He only did he only had two fights, but he fought, Charlie Ward. And I I call it Hadouken. He just grabbed him and, like, threw his head into the floor. Oh, jeez. And it was a KO.
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01:23:27
And I don’t he actually never got the the bonus for that. I don’t know how he didn’t ai I’ve never seen anybody just throw someone’s head down. You need to watch it.
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01:23:35
So Oh.
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01:23:36
Bug. Look. Boom. There you go. Oh my god. And if you if you keep it going and you see how he finishes, look, he’s
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01:23:43
ai. Wow.
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01:23:46
Oh. That dude landed hard.
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01:23:47
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That dude landed hard. And if you see the finish, look at look. This is how athletic this guy was. Just watch. Light work. Just landed. Just landed a little Perfect. Spider stance. Yeah. Perfect landing. Now I had to deal with this every day. Yeah. And that was nothing. He’s super explosive.
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01:24:05
But, again, he’s a striker. Very weird striker. Like, kick his kicks are like his hands. He can for ages. Yeah.
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01:24:14
I was sparring him one time, and me and him like, I’m the guy with him. When he steps in, my eyes do this. And I’m like, okay. I have to make sure Ai because a kick will come from anywhere. And we’re sparring and going back going back and forth.
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01:24:27
And I’m I’m in my element, and everything slows down for me. And I see his head drop down. And alarm bells are going off, and I’m like, he doesn’t he doesn’t shoot. He doesn’t go for takedowns. But I’m feeling alarmed. I was going on.
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01:24:48
Like, something’s gone wrong. I don’t know why this felt this slow. Something is wrong. And I’ve never done this block in my life. And I went like this.
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01:24:57
X block. I’ve never done this in my life. Never been taught this at ai body sai, throw your hands. He did that. And Did a Cartwheel kick. Front flip.
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01:25:10
Oh, jeez. Landed on his foot and axe kicked me. If I didn’t do that, I I I’d be sitting here in two right now
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01:25:18
Wow. Talking to you about
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01:25:19
the story that I once used to do Meh, and this guy split me in half. He and he’s front flip
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01:25:26
axe kick.
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01:25:27
He’s gonna front flip axe kick. Ai I know what and I on his Ram, I don’t know if you’ll find it, but on his Instagram, there’s clips of him doing it on a bag. And he literally flips, lands on his foot, bah, hits the bag, and he’s just standing in the ai. But he did it. I’ve blocked it.
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01:25:41
Now all even that saloni, because I’ve now blocked it, you should fall off balance. He took his foot off and carried on sparring. Everyone in the gym was like, what
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01:25:49
the fuck was that? What the hell was that? Ai never even thought anyone could do that.
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01:25:56
Ai, he’s another person that in the cage, he never showed this stuff. I’ve seen him, someone in a single meh, and he’s run up the cage and slipped up the single leg and kicked off the cage and landed behind the person sana started I’m it’s it always when I talk about this, it sounds like I’m exaggerating.
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01:26:13
He used to do stuff that I’ve it’s only in games. And this is why everyone’s allowed watching
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01:26:19
him do that flip, I believe every word you’re saying. He’s Because that was crazy. The landing was crazy.
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01:26:24
Yeah. Like, like, ai was like, he was just not there. Doof. It’s not
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01:26:26
like Right. No. He landed softly
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01:26:29
on one knee. Yeah. He was insane, but just never showed it. Wow. Never. He retired? Yeah. He’s like he just he he teaches and stuff now, but he just and it’s a shah, and he was a fun character, and ai I said, amazing person to train ram because he made me better because he and he’s got the few people that in the gym that could actually kick me in the head and Wow.
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01:26:52
And catch meh. Because Ai usually I’m I’m I’m good at seeing it. Sai ai good eyes, and he’s just yeah. It was just something else.
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01:26:58
Crazy that you knew it. You, like, you had intuition.
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01:27:00
I don’t know what happened. But as often sai I said, if you don’t do this, you’re going to die today. Wow.
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01:27:06
Wow. That’s crazy that you ai that of all movements.
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01:27:10
Yeah. But, again, his because, like, he never shoots. He’s a striker. He was sprawled and then start doing his jiu jitsu ram there. Never really shoots. And he just went at this. And I’m like, what’s going on here? There’s yes. Ai I don’t feel like sprawling. Something’s wrong, but I don’t feel like sprawling. Here.
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01:27:30
Oh, here you go. Here you go.
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01:27:32
Oh my
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01:27:32
god. He he does one here. He does one he does one he lands he does one he lands it.
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01:27:35
That’s crazy. Boom. That is so crazy.
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01:27:38
Ai imagine doing that during sparring. It doesn’t make sense. And he’s he’s I’m talking.
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01:27:43
He’s
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01:27:43
hitting the bag. Boom. Look. That’s crazy. And I tell people people feel like, ai. Sorry. You no. You’re talking rubbish. You can hear that. If that hit meh.
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01:27:58
That is so wild.
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01:28:01
And I wish he was able to show this stuff.
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01:28:04
Explosion you have to have to pull that off. The amount of force you generate.
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01:28:08
Yeah. And who would see that coming? I don’t I still don’t, to this day, know how I saw it coming. But Wow. If he did that and again, he goes into he went into these ai, and he would it would be relatively basic. It would he wouldn’t show all of this ai of stuff.
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01:28:27
So So he would tighten up in fights?
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01:28:29
Yeah. He’d just tighten up a little bit and just wouldn’t express himself in the same way.
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01:28:32
Did anybody at that time work with, like, a mental coach?
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01:28:37
No. Not I wouldn’t from our gym, the only person Ai I know did it ram our gym was actually Alex Reid. And but he is a weird character anyway. Yeah. Funny ai, lovely guy. But he used to have, like, therapists come and do this ai of stuff. And at the time, he I feel like I didn’t care for it because he just made it seem lame.
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01:28:57
It’s just because it was from him, but I understand more so as over my tyler, the importance of the mental aspect of things as well. Maybe
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01:29:08
if someone could explain to him or if you could have a conversation about what goes wrong
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01:29:14
Mhmm.
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01:29:14
When he competes. Yeah. Ai, what what are the thought process when he competes and what could be done different to change that thought? Ai, to combat them when they those thoughts come up
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01:29:24
Yeah. To have a tool Yeah.
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01:29:25
Have a mental’s toolbox. We go, no. No. No. Yep. We’re not gonna entertain this kind of activity. Yeah. We’re gonna stay positive. We’re gonna stay zen. Yeah.
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01:29:32
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:29:33
You know, the most important things don’t ever give in ai. Don’t let it get to you. Don’t let it fall. You’re positive. You’re breathing. You’re moving. You’re a killer. Keep moving and and just have someone with him maybe initially to coach him through those movements.
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01:29:47
I wish there was some and again but again, also, maybe the the gym that he’s in with us at Sana shoot, they that’s that was that’s not a thing. It’s Right. We beast that way. We’re just gonna Right.
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01:29:57
That’s not
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01:29:57
ai problem. Is he was he’d he’d still look amazing up into the fight. He’d get to the fight and you’d be like, bro, I can’t wait for people to see this.
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01:30:04
Right.
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01:30:04
Right. And you get there and you’re like, what are you doing, man?
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01:30:07
Yeah.
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01:30:08
And it’s just it it’s frustrating because he’s still super he was still super saloni. He’s still, you know, he won one, and I think he lost the next one, and then that was it. But even his previous fights before that, he’s got some exceptional fights. But just Not
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01:30:20
what he’s capable of doing.
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01:30:22
Yeah. I’ve never seen what I’ve seen in the gym on stage. Wow. Never seen. And he still got signed to the UFC just because he was he’s still talented, but and, obviously, somebody saw his talent and was like, yeah. I want that. But the and nobody’s ever seen what I’ve seen this guy do. And all of our teammates are like, if you just seen that, this yeah.
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01:30:42
You you everybody would be throwing money at this guy. Just make sure he’s on the next card.
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01:30:45
It’s crazy. Yeah. It’s really crazy.
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01:30:48
Yeah. Because it’s it
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01:30:49
seems to be like that in almost every sport. Yeah. But in fighting in particular. Yeah. Yeah. Because it’s the biggest mental hurdle. You know, there’s there’s no team to fall back on. There’s no I guess, we lost tonight, boys. No. You Mhmm. Got fucked up Mhmm.
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01:31:04
In front of the whole world. Yeah. And that’s the sport that you’re in. You’re in the sport with the highest highs Mhmm. And the lowest lows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:31:12
So that pressure is just, it’s unexplainable to the average person.
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01:31:17
Yeah. Ai you can’t explain it really. This is why I try my best to focus on the element of fun. Because I feel like when I’m in when I’m dancing, smiling, laughing, joking, everything slows down and everything’s enjoyable. There’s no stress. And ai I feel slightly stressed, you might see me dance, which is interesting because people just think I’m just doing it for the other person to mock the other person.
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01:31:46
Mhmm. And sometimes it’s just, just stay chill, man. You’re here. You’re here. Ai, you you don’t need to do anything more than this. Right.
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01:31:52
If I feel like a little bit ai, oh, that was a bit and my mind starts going, no. No. No. No. Let’s shake it off.
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01:31:58
Get into this get into your mode again, and then go back to enjoying yourself. That’s my but I know some people need to be in this angry state and just, you know, ai themselves into it. And I don’t even need to be angry at my opponent. And I think that comes from the fact that I used to have to fight my siblings. Right.
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01:32:16
It’s never it’s not based on anger. Ai I love them. Ai? But my dad is he used to sai, like, yeah, that’s not your sibling on the meh. But straight afterwards, make sure you pick that person ai. Make sure they’re good. And, again, my brother would beat me up. My brother would beat me up.
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01:32:30
My sister would beat me up. Everybody, but I still had love for them. So I don’t I never needed anger to thing and and the fact that my family did this thing. And even my nephews and stuff now, we still they still is generational. Just something that keeps us all together and we’re so close. It’s not based on being angry.
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01:32:50
Just based on learning something, enjoying something, and doing it with people that you love. Mhmm. So I can I because that’s why I can make it fun? Right. Everyone loves this whole, like, tense, like, and I don’t.
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I think what a lot of people don’t understand too is the hardest part of it is the day of the fight. It’s not the fight. Once a fight starts happening
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Oh, yeah. You’re in it. You’re in it. Yeah.
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It’s not scary. Yeah. Yeah. Unless you’re, you know, unless you’re getting fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when you’re getting fucked up and you know, like the end is near. Yeah. Yeah. There’s ai like, you wanna see ultimate bravery. Khalil Rountree in the last round with Pereira.
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Yeah.
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When Pereira is putting it on him, that’s ultimate bravery. Because he knows he’s getting fucked up. He knows ai not too much time. There’s nowhere out. Yeah. His skill set is all in stand up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he he can take guys to the ground, but at this point, that’s not gonna happen.
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01:33:39
It’s not happening. Yeah.
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01:33:40
His face is broken up. And Pereira is doing that Yeah. Yeah. Cobra thing. Boy, he gets cobra style, leans back,
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01:33:47
slams in. Beautiful.
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It was terrifying. But that’s that that kind of bravery in front of the whole world. A lot of people, they’re not sure if they have that.
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01:33:54
Yeah. Fair.
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And so there’s just that the pressure of that in front of the whole world ai this. So maybe like they did they’re
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in there. It’s ai, just do enough. Yeah. Just do enough. Exactly. They’re scared. Which shrinks you.
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01:34:05
And sometimes super duper talented people are the most scared because it kind of came too easy for them. Mhmm. There’s a thing about super duper talented people that for some reason, like that gift comes with a curse. Mhmm. And that curse is that it came to you too easily sai you never really developed
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Understand the grind. Ai
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yeah. The real Yeah. Yeah. Will and drive to like overcome just make these little tiny wins every day Yeah. Yeah. To pile
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01:34:32
up to
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a skill set. You’re just a lightning bolt.
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01:34:34
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:34:34
Yeah. You know, you’re a lightning bolt and then, you know, when it’s time to actually fight, you’re ai, you don’t know if you’ve been tested.
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01:34:40
Yeah. Yeah.
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You don’t know who you are yet. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think I get that a lot ai as in, like, people always like, oh, he’s just naturally talented. I only when I tell people that I used to get my ass handed to me.
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01:34:49
But this is the thing that I’ve always said. Guys who grow up with brothers, especially older brothers who can kick their ass, they’re ready to fight at all times. Yeah. Yeah. Because they’re fighting
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in their fucking house.
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01:35:00
They’re ready to fight with guys who can beat them up their whole life.
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01:35:03
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:35:03
Yeah. Just that alone ai sets you up for competition in a different way than someone like I grew up with my sister. We didn’t fight.
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01:35:10
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like
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01:35:11
the only beat me up at all. It’s totally different.
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01:35:14
Yeah.
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Because you’re you’re accustomed Yeah. To being around hostile males who are dominating.
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01:35:19
Yeah. Was it older or younger though?
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01:35:21
Younger sister. Okay.
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01:35:22
Yeah. Because my older sister was still beating me up.
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01:35:24
My my sister never got into martial arts. I was the only one in the family got into it.
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01:35:27
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.
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01:35:28
But if I did, if I grew up with a bunch brothers, I’m sure we’d be beating the fuck out of each other. Yeah.
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01:35:32
Yeah. Well, weird weird enough, we had to do it. It’s one thing again. He’d always sai, you can’t no. This is not for out here. This is for in there. If you got an issue, verbalize it. Yeah. And if you still have an issue, we can sort it out in there. But, yeah, Ai be annoyed. I’m alright. We’d have fights every now and again, but nothing crazy.
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01:35:50
But it’s just the accustomed being accustomed To
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just
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to just constant back and forth. How about fuck you?
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01:35:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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You know? Yeah. Yeah. It’s like it’s in your house. It’s in your house.
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01:36:01
It’s pretty sleek. Ai was the wind up. Oh, yeah? But I couldn’t fight, so I had to I had to do it some other way. I just have to take some shit.
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01:36:08
Take some shit.
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I mean, I’m all set.
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01:36:09
Have to be a little tougher because you’re the smaller one.
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01:36:12
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:36:12
Yeah. That’s that’s part of the thing, you know. Yeah. Yeah. What’s crazy about Jon Jones is his his brother
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01:36:17
He’s got two older brothers. No?
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01:36:18
Well, I think one of them is younger. Is he Chandler younger? But they’re all beasts.
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01:36:25
Yeah. Yeah. Of course. So you grown up in a house fellow now?
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01:36:27
Yeah. So you grown up in a house of beasts. Yeah. Ai, you you better you better be ready for some hostility. You gotta be ready for some aggression. Yeah. There’s a, like, there’s a giant benefit of that as in far as as far as ai. Because the ai, you’re accustomed
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01:36:43
Look at them.
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01:36:44
To hostility. I mean, all his brothers are super speak, just giant athletes. And so, you know, he’s in this house with highly competitive males his whole life. Yeah. So you’re totally accustomed to Whereas with some people, competition is, like, super overwhelming. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And it’s this it’s a test you don’t wanna take. You almost don’t wanna find out if you’re good enough.
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01:37:06
I think school even the school system sai, like, they slowly over the years, they saloni taken out certain things that allows challenges people in a way that gives them that gift of being competitive and Mhmm. Especially in The UK. I don’t I’m not sure about in The States, but in The UK, we they they changed the rules, sort of, just after I would’ve left to, not allowed to pick teams because,
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01:37:30
you know Who’s that people who feel bad if they don’t
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01:37:32
pick left? Ai like, if you’re shit, I’m not picking you. Get better at you. Yeah. This is real ai. Like
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01:37:37
That’s how it works in real ai. And that that bad feeling of getting picked last. Yeah. Lionel Richie was talking about that yesterday.
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01:37:43
Oh, serious? Yes.
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01:37:44
So Did Lionel Richie before he was in a band, it was always like ai was the last one to get picked for this. Yeah. He was the last one. He was talking about that openly. But look, that’s what created Lionel Richie.
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01:37:52
100%. Yeah. And, again, I think we ai, again, over there, I’m not sure here, but we model, model model, like Yes. The kids. And then they think that they do you you surround them in cotton wool.
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01:38:03
Yep.
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And then the real life hits them, and they’re just like, shah?
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01:38:06
It’s the opposite of Yoel Romero.
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01:38:07
Yeah. Exact
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You big cat on my jeans.
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01:38:10
It’s the opposite. It’s the opposite of that. I think I was talking
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to my, my brother as well earlier about how they say was it I forget the saying. It’s like tough men create good ai, good times, and that Mhmm. The whole cycle of that. And it’s Ai it’s it’s very true though. We’re we’re creating too much good times for people, and everybody’s complaining about
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01:38:30
everything. Exactly. When things are really good, the problem is whatever is bad Yeah. Even mild when it becomes a giant thing. Then you’re dealing with, like, microaggressions
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01:38:39
sai work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:38:41
People get crazy. Yeah. They look for all kinds of grievances everywhere they look they go.
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01:38:45
Yeah.
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When you’re when you are involved in, like, hard competition Yeah. You’re not interested in any of that stuff.
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01:38:51
At all.
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Because it’s just a giant distraction. The real thing is so difficult. And that’s why I think even though it’s uncomfortable for kids, I think, like, wrestling in high school, any kind of competitive sports in high school, martial arya, especially
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01:39:04
percent. I’ve been able
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to do it for ages. For you.
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01:39:07
For ages, I’ve been saying this. Like, just It’s okay to lose.
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01:39:10
It’s okay to lose. It’s actually good for you.
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01:39:13
It’s very good for you and you need to learn this ai of stuff. Like I said, as soon as you as soon as they’re out of your care, they have to experience that anyway. You can’t Yes.
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01:39:21
You’re you’re
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not you’re and I used to do this even in, when I was teaching. We’re teaching a jab or something. Teaching a jab and we’re doing the slipping drills. And you’re jabbing like this. I was like, you’re not helping anybody by jabbing away from their face because now this guy thinks he’s amazing at slipping punches. Right.
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01:39:39
And then we make him smile and he’s like, The fuck? Move your fucking head, though.
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01:39:47
I’m doing what I usually do.
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So I’m like, it’s better that you hit him in the gym sai then when they go out into the real world or they go into a competition and whatever, they can actually they’re actually good at these drills that I’m giving you. Not you’re not helping by trying to be helpful. Yes. You don’t have to hit hard, but be accurate. Yes. Get them used to it ai saloni speed up. Yeah.
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01:40:08
And and it bro, I say this all the time, but it’s exactly the same thing. People need to go through those actual trials and tribulations in certain areas so that then they can be ready for it later on.
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01:40:18
100%. And this idea of protecting them and every good gets everybody gets a participation trophy. Yeah. That’s so bad for it. It’s Hate. That feeling of bad from losing is beneficial. Mhmm. It’s just like the feeling of being tired after you workout. That’s how you get in shape. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:40:35
It’s all good
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for you. Exactly. It’s all good for you.
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01:40:37
You’re getting into a met emotional shape.
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01:40:39
But this is why I feel a lot of people are trying to take shortcuts for everything. Nobody really wants to do the hard work. Big world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants
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01:40:46
to do the the the
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the hard work. And I get it if it’s if you’re if it’s really excessive, you let you get get to a certain point. And it’s ai, okay. You need to at least some help to get to a certain point to then work out, but you need to work. You need to work.
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01:40:59
And it’s good for your brain. Your brain is, we have, for whatever reason, a whole series of human reward systems brain, it requires tasks. Mhmm. There’s things it’s like enforced in your brain that if you go out and you make arrowheads and you hunt the deer, you have food.
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01:41:23
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:41:24
Your family scraps, you have tasks. Yeah. So they’re whittling the stick and you’re you’re into it. And you better be fucking into it.
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01:41:29
Yeah. Yeah.
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Because if you’re not into it, you’re not gonna eat. Yeah. So if you have a life where there’s none of those things. And you’re sitting there in front of Netflix Yeah. Channel. Of course you’re depressed. Yeah. Yeah. Of course you’re depressed.
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01:41:40
Your body’s not getting any of the stuff that
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it needs.
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01:41:43
Your mind isn’t getting any of the tasks that it needs.
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01:41:45
Someone was telling me ai it’s the was it a reptilian mind sai that looks for dangers or seeks dangers because we’re not in a society that has those dangers. We can look at danger our dangers are now, this person looked at me funny or this person like
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01:41:58
Or your even worse, your phone.
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01:42:00
Your phone. Yeah. It’s even it’s even easier now.
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01:42:02
Yeah. People are commenting on you.
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01:42:03
Oh, the haters connect to me today.
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01:42:06
Yeah. I to be fair,
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it’s funny. The first time this was still earlier. So my my comments were from YouTube initially. I had a Instagram. I didn’t really use it like that. So after my first fight, I was super pumped. I’m like because ai I said to you, I was so nervous after my first fight. And I always say I always say, look. If you just watch all of my walkouts arya being like, yeah. Vibes. Yeah. Yeah. I’m just happy to be here.
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01:42:32
My first fight, I was like this. I was dying sai, Joel. Just ai, what? In my head, I literally, I was like,
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01:42:42
why did I decide to do this? I was like, ai am
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01:42:47
I here? What what Ai was stressed. The whole walk was the most the longest walk, and you’ve never seen me so tense. And then the second I got in there and the bell rang, I was like, oh, yeah. Same thing. Okay. Then I started to feel myself and, you know, the ai, the oh, like, my energy started, like, the MVP that we obviously come to know now came out.
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01:43:08
And that was for me, that was just ai that was great. But in terms of, I just lost Raul. Go ahead.
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01:43:19
You lost what you’re talking
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01:43:19
about? Yeah. Yeah.
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01:43:20
Yeah. No worries. It happens all the time. So but that was interesting that then the second fight was the one that really overwhelmed you. Mhmm.
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01:43:29
That was in the second fight in the in the UFC that overwhelmed me.
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01:43:32
But so the first fight you ever had was when you walked out.
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01:43:35
That’s when I walked out.
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01:43:36
The first fight you ever had.
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01:43:37
Sai that was me against is me versus no. Not UFC. Me versus, Dishman. And I just walked out. I’m seriously I just had nothing but fear inside me.
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01:43:47
And what kind of what what kind of sai athlete was he? What did he do?
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01:43:51
I’m not sure he’s a kickboxer or something. Didn’t seem ai in first fight. We had I had, like, I think, three pullouts before I got to that fight. Like, probably, like, three weeks before. Three different people that and at the at that level, it happens all the time. Yeah. And I had fights online.
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01:44:13
So my coach was like, can you are you able to take these down? I’m like, they’ve randomly filmed from so many random people. Yeah. So, like, I don’t I wouldn’t even know how to where to begin to find out to try and get them taken down. So I just if anybody did research, they would see that I’ve got I had, like, a seven twenty kick. So it made sense why people was pulling out.
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01:44:36
For people that don’t understand what that really is, that’s not a three hundred and sixty three sixty degree kick. It’s sai
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01:44:43
This is one of them. This was even the first time I did it.
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01:44:48
Where is it?
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01:44:49
Yes. Yes. Is it coming? It’ll be after this off. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It’s gonna be yeah. That’s it. Just before this. Just before this.
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01:45:07
That’s crazy. That’s such a crazy kid. That dude is sitting there going, how the fuck did he hit me with that? He put his hands on his knees and everything. Like, how the fuck did
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01:45:17
he pull that off? So I understand why, like, people would look at that and be ai, no. No. I mean, let’s let’s yeah. Yeah. But this guy stepped in, and, yeah, like, I just I felt so bad, negative going forward walking in, but then once I was in there. But, yeah, if you see the walkout
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01:45:36
Alright. The the the the Ai, I
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didn’t oh, this one was. But even even how I’m ai here, I’m super tensed. Mhmm. Like, it was only until I started bouncing that it was even a thing.
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01:45:50
What was the thing that was bothering you the most about doing this? Just just
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01:45:54
the fact Just my decision. Like, why did I do shit? I don’t know specifically. Oh, but
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01:46:00
once you got loose?
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01:46:01
Once Sai, yeah, once I got in there, I was like, oh, cool.
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01:46:03
He had a obvious game plan. Yeah.
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01:46:04
Yeah. He was trying to take me down. Yeah. He wasn’t strong, so I was like, yeah. Just push off. Like, felt I was feeling good. And I think after he felt my strength, he was like, okay. It’s kinda stood back.
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01:46:17
That tyler such a problem. It’s such a problem. I’m watching you move here and I’m thinking, like, what do you do? Oh, you can’t do anything. You can’t because he’s so far away from you, and you ai that, when you try to close the distance on him and or when rather, he tries to close the distance on you, and he just can’t.
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01:46:36
He just can’t get close. Like, look at that. That’s just nuts. That’s a terrible puzzle to try to solve in real life.
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01:46:44
Yeah.
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01:46:45
Ai. Look at that dive. That’s pretty good though. You got a hold of your ankle. Yeah. I mean, that’s that shows you how much you wanted that takedown.
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01:46:53
Yep. Until this happens.
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01:46:56
Oh, boy. The best part is just the standing there. That’s amazing. Look at this. This is amazing. That’s amazing. That’s the best not walk off KO ever. Right? That’s a standoff KO. Like, you’ve real that’s crazy. You didn’t even look at him. That’s amazing. It’s
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funny when I when people ask me, like, why did you stand there? Like, what if he came back? I ai, like, I landed the kick and I stood still, and I was thinking he might come back sai I go to spin the other way and land another kick. That was that was the game. And then when he just the the referee stepped in, I
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01:47:32
was like, perfect. Yeah. This looks good.
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01:47:35
This looks good.
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01:47:36
It did look good.
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01:47:38
It looks sai good. Thing. I went okay. That’s where I remember I was going. I Sai went crazy viral for that. Everyone’s like, who’s this guy? Like, dah dah dah. Yeah. And I was I was ai, because of the relief that I had, because of how tense I was, I was like, oh my god. Like, that was, for me, ticking the box ai I can actually do this. I can actually make a career of this because Yeah. I wasn’t sure. And got home.
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01:47:59
Well, did you jump online? Like, I wanna oh, I wanna sai. Like, I’m seeing a video. It’s ai crazy thousands of, like, comments and this and shah. Ai, okay.
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01:48:08
Yeah. Maybe the next comment. Maybe the next one? Nope. Yeah. People don’t like me.
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01:48:15
They didn’t like you for that video?
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01:48:18
I felt like I had murdered someone’s child. For that video? Yeah. Okay.
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01:48:23
It just it just shows you why you shouldn’t read comments. No. A 100%. Because you’re only getting the opinions of the dumbest motherfuckers alive. If you just saw that Yeah. Yeah. So let me tell you my thought when I saw that. Because when that clip went viral, I went finally.
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01:48:36
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:48:37
Yeah. Like, this is proof of what I’ve been saying for a long time. Like, they’re they have a different thing. Yeah. Like, the really elite point fighters have a totally different thing and you can’t even get close to hitting them. And we’re seeing that.
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01:48:48
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:48:49
Yeah. That was the beginning of
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it. Yeah.
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01:48:51
Yeah. Because even though Raymond had really good success and glory Yeah.
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He was amazing. Yeah.
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01:48:57
He did a great success and glory, but it was different. Right? Because you’re in a small ring. Yep. It’s roped off, and he wasn’t accustomed to leg kicks yet. He was he
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01:49:05
had a he
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01:49:06
sai well, that one spectacular jumping
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01:49:08
ai kick, spin back kick
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01:49:09
to the face. Oh, he he
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01:49:11
he didn’t hit me. He didn’t hit me one of those. He he was very famous for his double back kicks. Oh, my god. And then every now and again, he would hook it. And it sai ai he’s he’s not people out in the points game for it. Everyone’s seen it like and I remember the I think it’s the first time I fought him, and I was young, but I had a reputation.
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01:49:29
He’s the he was the guy, like, over in America that had a reputation. And if you know what he’s we’ve we’ve collided. I was like, I don’t care who this guy is, man. I’m just I was feeling myself. I was killing everybody for ages.
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01:49:41
I remember faking that, moving, moving, moving around, moving around, faking, faking, got him in the corner. I was like, oh, perfect. Boom. Blitz. Same thing.
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I was like, something’s off. Boom. Did this. But both normally, the first kick is light. Both stamps. I was like, shit.
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01:50:01
Not only was that fast, but ai was powerful as well. And that just got into my head. It threw me threw me right off. I didn’t wanna commit to any of my my strikes, and it just it just from the first from the first, moment he he let that go, I was just like, yeah. He was very dangerous. Dangerous. Very dangerous. Dangerous. Dangerous.
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01:50:21
And he was another guy that, like, we, you know, proved that point that Yeah. That this is a completely different skill set. Mhmm. Mhmm. And if you don’t know how to deal with that, you’re in real they took the elite ai. Took like the Nikki Holzkins and the Joseph Vallerenees.
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01:50:36
Those guys took figures.
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01:50:37
Nikki was beast.
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01:50:38
Yeah. Just chop the legs. Yeah.
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01:50:40
Yeah.
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01:50:40
And Nicky was so technical. Yeah. It was ai. Hands up high. Yeah. Yeah. Chomping the legs, man, is a totally different ballgame.
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01:50:48
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:50:48
Yeah. Soon as the legs start getting chopped, you’re like
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01:50:50
It’s hard as you can’t bounce anymore. But that’s the thing. It’s weird because I started to utilize that as a way to win ai. We’re not obviously taking the meh kicks, but only giving you that option. Sai everyone’s like, yeah. But that’s sai awkward style. I was like, yeah.
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01:51:07
But when I stand in front of you like that, you don’t think to do a punch because I I look I feel way too far away. So you’re not doing a punch. You’re not the only thing you have is what’s in front of you is a kick. So it’s ai, I got used to timing kicks as you’re as you’re kicking collision, going in, or just just pulling just off and then putting my foot in slightly deeper.
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01:51:26
And then just pulling off and then putting my foot in slightly deeper. Now I know I can pull this trigger when I’m ready. And you’re you’re getting more and more demoralized because you’re not landing. If you throw any kick, he’s swinging around, you’re like, ah.
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And there’s only one thing available. And there’s
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only one thing available. Yeah. So I have to keep pressing that same button.
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Right. And the idea of you shooting on
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It’s it feels far.
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Yeah. Too far.
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Feels very far.
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Well, that’s the Khamzat thing.
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Mhmm.
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It’s ai Khamzat shoots from the middle of the fucking octagon. That that guy’s got a crazy shot. That shot he hit Whitaker with and the one he would with, who is it? Oh, the leech. When he picked up the leech, he picked him up, carried him over
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the data ai. Yeah. Yeah.
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And it’s ai, I kill everybody. Like, woah. This is nuts. He was another guy that, like, how the fuck are you making one seventy?
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Yeah. Yeah. He’s a big he’s a big When
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I first met him, I was like, what are
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you talking about?
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A hundred and seventy? Yeah.
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Yeah. Big boy.
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I fucking hate the weight cutting. I hate it. I hate it with a passion. I hate it more than anything in the sport. I think it should be eliminated, but it’s too late. Yeah. I don’t think I think people should get down to a healthy weight and fight for the healthiest weight, whatever the hell that is.
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Do you
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think there would be a way to combat that? Not because I obviously in boxing, they got the you have to weigh in multiple times now.
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01:52:37
Well, some fighters make you do that. Ai, Javonte Davis, he made, Ryan Garcia do that. Okay.
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He wanted
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to make sure that Ryan Garcia didn’t rehydrate.
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01:52:45
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Mayweather did that to Canelo too.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s just a g move.
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It’s very smart.
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That’s when you’re
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you’re near the a side.
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You’re the smaller. You’re the a side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’ll fight you.
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But you
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gotta wait ai when you get in that fucking ring, bitch.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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You guys will take that fight for that, you know, big paycheck.
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Yeah.
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But it’s not a good move. Yeah. Yeah. But I just think that it’s legalized cheating. I just think that it’s cheating. You’re not ai, if you’re a 155 champion, but you weigh a hundred and ninety pounds, that’s kind of crazy. That’s kind of crazy.
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I agree. And if I didn’t have to weight cut because if you don’t join in, you’re fighting monsters.
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01:53:21
That’s true. But they would have to fight monsters too. Everybody would have to fight a person that weighs what they actually weigh. No.
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I I agree with that. But I’m just saying with the fact that people are weight cutting
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01:53:31
Yes.
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When I got to this arena, I’d prefer to just afford what I weighed at.
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01:53:35
Yes.
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But because everyone’s weight ai out, like
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You have to. You have to.
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You have to. You have to do it.
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Because you’ll look. Like, when you are fighting at one seventy, for people that understand, I’m short. That’s 30 pounds less than me.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. That’s crazy. Like, that’s just a giant advantage that you can’t give up.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And when you’re doing that across every single weight class and every single world championship, the last guy that I know that didn’t cut weight was Frankie Edgar when he was a hundred and fifty five pound champ. When Frankie Edgar was a one hundred and fifty five pound champ, he weighed one fifty ai, and he moved like a ghost. He was all over the place.
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He was fast as fuck.
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He
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had great endurance. His his recovery was incredible because
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he could
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take a great shot because he wasn’t dehydrated Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like everybody else was.
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That’s the thing. I actually feel great at middleweight. Yeah.
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01:54:25
I mean, you definitely have the size for it.
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Yeah. I I I’m I’m naturally that way, but it’s weird though because people’s body ai, because they are cutting, they’re still slightly speak. Not necessarily as frame wise as big as me, but they’re just ai stockier. And, obviously, as you say, the guys that sana come in and just go
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Yeah. They just wanna clinch and get you there. It’s a giant advantage.
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It’s an advantage if they’re gonna be that much heavier than me as well. Giant. Moving people. Like, even when, in my last fight, when I got taken down in the in the in the last round, trying to, ai, kinda near, try trying to move him. I was just like, Jesus. This
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01:55:02
Kanye is huge. He’s a
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big he’s a big boy. He’s one
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of the only guys that’s got KOs in three different
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weight classes. Ram heavyweight
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Heavyweight. Light heavyweight Middleweight. And middleweight. Yeah. Beast. He’s huge for one eighty five. That but he it’s another perfect example. And I think look. There’s something to be said for the ritual of doing it for a lot of fighters. It means a lot, and you could choose to cut less so that you’re more healthy Exactly.
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The day of the fight.
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Yeah. But everyone kinda concedes that you have to cut something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just don’t think that’s smart twenty four hours before a fight in a cage. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Why would you deplete your body purposely?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Because it’s basically like getting drunk.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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01:55:38
It really is. Like, you’re dehydrating shit out of your body.
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Seeing people just look look a mess.
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And you only have three, five, forty hours to rehydrate between the weigh ins and the time you’re actually gonna ai. If you’re lucky, you have forty hours. Yeah.
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That’s not enough time. Yeah. I I I can do it. I don’t care to do it. I can do it. I just I agree with you and I just it would be if everybody if everybody was ai, okay. Let’s all just do it at our weights.
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Or Well, imagine if people did dehydrate and rehydrate it and we arya calling it cheating. You know what I mean? I mean, it would be if people got caught and they looked at it the same way people look at people getting caught
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01:56:14
with steroids. Fair. Fair.
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Fair. Because they’re just the reality is right now, you can’t do it because of the weight
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class limitations.
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Yeah. There’s too many weight classes where, like, where you’re at. So 85 to two zero five, that’s nuts. That’s 20 pounds. That’s sai and for maybe people who’ve never grappled, they don’t know what that means or never been punched. Yeah. They don’t know what that means, but that’s a giant amount of fucking horsepower. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gravity on top of you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so if you’re if you’ve got weight classes vatsal a reasonable space Mhmm. Ai, I feel ai 10 pounds is good. Mhmm.
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I
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feel like every 10 pounds, you get 45, 55, 65,
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75.
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01:56:53
Yeah. And if you’re in between, you either add muscle or you lose weight.
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Yeah.
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And you stop lifting as much weights and do more cardio. You’ll get down to that ai
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01:57:01
Yeah.
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Not you. Yeah. But that’s what you are. Mhmm. Which you actually are. And if we did that, Ai there would have to be some sort of a hydration thing where they just show up and weigh you. Yeah. Like, you know, like, people show up and drug test you out. Yeah. Yeah. Like, drug free speak, they’ll just knock on your door. Hey, Ai. What’s up?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:57:18
Can you
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be in this? Yeah. Yeah.
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01:57:20
Let’s, let’s talk.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that makes sense to me.
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01:57:23
Yeah. Just show up. What do you weigh? Get on
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the scale. Yeah. And then
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01:57:25
you get on the scale. One ai.
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01:57:26
Yeah.
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01:57:26
Bro, you’re a bantamweight. This is crazy. Yeah.
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01:57:28
Yeah. Yeah.
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Because there’s dudes that are out there doing that.
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01:57:30
Oh, I know. A 100%. We always
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01:57:32
talk about Glayson Tibau. When Glayson Tibau was a hundred fifty five pounders, he looked like a bodybuilder. He looked like you weighed two hundred pounds when he got into the cage. It was nuts.
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01:57:42
Yeah. The the rehydration. I’ve seen people cut ridiculous amounts. And then, yeah, like you said, the way they rehydrate.
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01:57:48
It’s terrible, but it’s also a lie. Not a hundred and fifty five pounds. You’re two hundred pounds.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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If that’s what you actually weigh. And I understand why you do it. I understand why everybody does it, but there’s gotta be a better way. Yeah. The worst I ever saw was Travis Lueder when he fought Anderson Silva.
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I don’t remember that one.
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01:58:06
He lost, but he had Anderson down. Travis Lueder was an elite black belt.
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Yeah. And he
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was in the ultimate fighter. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wins the ultimate ai. I mean, dominates everybody. Dominates people on the ground. Everybody I talked to trained with him was, like, guys on a whole another level as far as jujitsu. Yeah. And, the day of the weigh in, he can’t make the weight. And he’s he’s so dehydrated that his lips are cracked. Yeah. I see.
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And he’s not walking to the scale. He’s shuffling. Yeah. He’s just and I’m watching him. And he missed the first ai, and then this is, like, one of the second or third time that he tried to make weight. And he eventually didn’t make weight.
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Sai even if he beat Anderson, he wouldn’t have won the title. Yeah. But, well, he had him down, and he was on top of him in the beginning of the round. And for anybody that’s ever rolled with Travis, if he was healthy Yeah. And he has you down on the ground, like, that’s you’re
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in
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you’re fucks, Bill. Yeah. That guy’s good. Yeah. He was really good, but it was just the weight was way too much. Yeah. Yeah. He was just
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drained. Yeah. Yeah.
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Then twenty four hours later, he’s supposed to fight Yeah. One of the greatest fighters of all time.
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And it depletes your your the the liquid around your your brain as well. Yeah. So you’re taking shah, you’re not gonna take it as well. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It’s it’s a it’s a lot. Yeah. I agree. I agree.
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Tyler. Your endurance sucks. Everything’s all fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everything’s all fucked up.
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Ai it’s why I get down very close to my weight because I on fight week, I’m very low.
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01:59:24
Like, what do you weigh? If you’re fighting one eighty five, what do you weigh in ai week?
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One eighty five is easier, though. So one ninety. Oh, that’s great. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I I don’t What about one seventy?
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01:59:34
When you’re at one seventy?
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Ai get down to probably about one eighty two, one eighty three. Not that bad. Not that bad, and then cut and then cut down from there. That’s not that bad. Yeah. I don’t I don’t again, I don’t like to over stress myself.
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01:59:48
Pereira weighed in at one eighty five and fought
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at two twenty. He’s massive.
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Fought at two twenty. Yeah. Weighed in at eighty five, fought at two twenty.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ai you said, that’s that’s a lot.
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01:59:59
That’s insane.
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02:00:00
That’s a lot. That’s insane.
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02:00:02
Yeah. That’s so much fucking weight. And what does that do to you?
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02:00:05
Yeah. Ai seen people I can’t even remember what fire is. He’s in Bellator. And his he was banging the sauna to get out, and his coach was holding the door. Oh, god. You need five more minutes.
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02:00:17
Oh, my god.
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And a guy is kicking the door, like, pump, bait. And he’s like, yes. I’m never doing that. I don’t ever wanna feel like that.
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02:00:25
That’s so crazy. So many
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guys would black out.
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02:00:27
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I’ve seen people passing out and stuff. Yeah.
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02:00:30
Brian Ortega was just, in an interview talking about that. Meh essentially, like, almost, like what what how did he describe it? It was, like, thirty minutes where he was, like, in real trouble
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02:00:40
Oh. For
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02:00:41
his last weight cut. Yeah. He’s like, it’s just he just got really wrecked. People have blacked out before he
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02:00:48
He’s the lady that fell off the stage. Fell off the scales, wasn’t it? She she stepped back off the scales and then just her legs just went.
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02:00:55
Oh, I don’t remember. Thirty minute coma. Oh, sugar. Due to his weight cut for Aljamine Sterling. Holy shit.
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02:01:02
But he meh he keeps yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is it’s too much for I don’t know why why doesn’t he just go up?
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02:01:08
Well, that’s the problem is the guys at fifty five are jacked.
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I think he
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just he dialed in his diet, though.
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02:01:13
He looks
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a lot thinner now. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he showed pull up some of those photos he’s got on his Instagram. He’s been taking photos lately. Like, he just he realized, like, he can never do that again.
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So he’s lost
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a lot of body fat.
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That’s good. That’s good. So I think sometimes that it is the the discipline of it as well. Yeah.
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02:01:27
Look at him. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look at him now. Way Yeah.
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02:01:29
Yeah. Yeah. Big difference.
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Way leaner. Big difference. That’s where he ai
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to be. Yeah. Meh.
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02:01:34
That’s where he needs to be.
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02:01:35
A 100%.
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02:01:36
You know, he likes to live that good life.
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02:01:38
I it’s the same. Even when you said about, like, having, like, random weight checks, it’d make me consider certain burgers sometimes. Yeah. But they would they have
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02:01:47
to give you an out of shape clause. No. Of course. Give you, like, ten, fifteen pounds
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02:01:52
Yeah. In between fights. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:01:53
But then once you start training, they should be able to randomly show up during those six weeks ago.
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02:01:58
Yeah. Yeah. That’s true.
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02:01:59
Michael, get on the scale. Yeah. One seventy four. Okay. Good good to go. Yeah. I agree. Good to go. We’re inside of six pounds. Because what you actually cut, what you’re saying at eighty five is perfect in my opinion. Meh.
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02:02:08
I don’t Ai don’t I don’t I don’t like to be
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02:02:10
Five pounds is just a good weight sai well, sauna session. Yeah. Yeah. It’s not that much. You’re not losing a ton of weight. You’re not killing yourself.
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02:02:16
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:02:16
Maybe you ride the bike for half hour. Like, what do you do?
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I literally do a thirty minute jog. It’s, like, really low with a sauna suit on. Straight away, I take that off, go straight into the sauna fifteen minutes, then wrap fifteen minutes and wrap, and I’m done.
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02:02:33
Sai, that’s perfect. Yeah. That’s actually probably therapeutic.
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02:02:36
Yeah. That’s I mean, it’s not it’s not
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02:02:37
it’s not bad for you at all. That’s probably actually very good for you because you’re giving your body all this recovery from the sana, and you’re getting a nice little cardiovascular workout, but nothing crazy.
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Nothing crazy at all.
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02:02:47
Giving yourself a lot of heat shock proteins. You’re not killing yourself. Yeah. But there’s guys, meh, I’ve seen them. Yeah. And they ai like, okay. Here’s the worst one. The worst one. Other than other than Travis. Travis was the worst because I watched him shuffle backstage, but the visuals is TJ Shah when he went down to flyweight.
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02:03:06
He fought Henry Cejudo at Flyweight, and he looked like a dead man.
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He looked Yes. Ai remember this.
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He looked like a hostage that had just gotten released sana had not
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been fed. Meh for aided. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:03:17
He looked fucking
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because he gets quite jacked as well.
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Yeah. Meh fucked up.
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02:03:21
Yeah.
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02:03:22
Yeah. He fucked up. Look at look at what he looked like on the left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy. That picture I
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mean, he’s ai
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02:03:29
big there. Right. But that
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That’s true. Yeah. That
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picture is fucking crazy. That’s a prisoner of war. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? Like,
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that’s not a guy.
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02:03:37
Look at what he looks like ram. Yeah. Well, now he’s fucking tank. Now he’s a tank. That’s, the one on the right is not fair because that’s how Yeah.
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That’s that’s yeah. He’s finished now by now.
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02:03:46
A buck 65 now. He’s fucking
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Jeez. He’s massive.
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02:03:49
But he was, here’s another guy that doesn’t get the credit that he deserves.
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02:03:53
When he fought Henan Burrow I love this style. Pure flow style. Yes.
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It’s pure flow.
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But it’s the it’s it’s the level, changes of the up and that you don’t know where he’s attacking. It’s not it’s not linear. It’s not just I’m going here or I’m
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02:04:04
going here. Switching stances constantly. Talk to yeah.
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I used to love watching his style.
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02:04:09
Have you ever talked to Ludwig? No. Oh, you should meet Dwayne Bang Ludwig Okay. And talk to him because Dwayne is the one who coached him in that style. Okay. Dwayne, who was an elite kickboxer himself and fought in the UFC. One point in time, Sai had the fastest ever knockout in the UFC.
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02:04:23
It’ll I think it was a five or six second knockout in the UFC. He was one of the fastest ever. Just step back, one right hand, blam. But Dwayne was a beast. But maybe even better than he is as a fighter, he is as a coach. Oh, wow. And he doesn’t have that style. Yeah.
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02:04:39
Yeah. This is
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what’s crazy. He devised that style. So this is Dwayne watch this.
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Oh, yeah.
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There it is. Nice.
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02:04:49
So you could call it six seconds. I don’t even think it was six.
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Yeah. That day. I don’t know. I don’t
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even think it was six. But the point is Dwayne’s style, like, he learned from Sai Bryden and, you know, it’s like Dutch kickboxing
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02:05:00
style. Yeah.
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02:05:01
Yeah. But he ai, like, Dwayne is ai this consummate studier of ai. Uh-huh. And he realized that the best way to fight is to overwhelm them with possibilities and options, but have a whole system Meh.
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02:05:14
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:05:15
Of how to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So his system is all about switching stances and combinations while you’re switching and turning and moving and but he’s got it mapped out.
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02:05:22
Nice. Nice. Nice.
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02:05:23
The dude came over to my place with, like, a bryden. Oh. Ai, this thick binder of techniques and he’s full on egghead with this shit and TJ and him just locked up.
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Lock him. Lock him.
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02:05:33
And the fruits of that labor was the Hennenborough fight.
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02:05:36
Mhmm.
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02:05:36
Pull go go to that ai, Jamie. So because I feel like this is one of the finest championship performances at the ai.
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I thought
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it was the best I had ever seen Mhmm. Of a guy who was an underdog going into a ai. Yeah. Henning Barrow at that time, a lot of people thought was the pound for pound best.
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02:05:50
Yeah.
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02:05:50
It was him and Jose Aldo. They were talking about those two guys together. Mhmm. And TJ just went in there and worked them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was like a sparring match.
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02:05:58
Yeah.
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02:05:59
He went in there super loose and just moving around and started cracking them. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s a fun watch though.
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Just get me in there.
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Yeah.
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Sai this is ai, Henning Burrow was the boogeyman. Yeah. Everybody was scared of this dude. Yeah. He was so
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fucking starts. The ai starts. Woo.
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02:06:15
Oh, stepping with an uppercut. Just movement. Constant movement overwhelming you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And look, always on the tips of his tyler, moving around. He didn’t back up at all and never gave Henning Burrell the chance to get some momentum going. Yeah. And at the end, when he eventually stopped him, I mean, was just a fucking ruthless combination when he took him out of there.
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02:06:36
But, like, if you knew how difficult it is to be You’re ai
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02:06:40
huge shot.
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02:06:40
Right off the bat in the first round.
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02:06:42
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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At this point, Ai is like, oh, no.
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Ai in problems.
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Yeah. Because nobody had thought that TJ was gonna be capable of
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02:06:49
doing this. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:06:50
TJ, you know, was a a really good up and coming fighter, a really good contender
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02:06:56
Uh-huh.
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02:06:56
But this was his finest performance Yeah. And it was in a world championship fight Yeah.
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02:07:00
Yeah. Yeah.
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Against the guy that everybody thought was the man.
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02:07:04
Yeah. And
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02:07:04
TJ just beat that ass. And if you go, like, further see if you can go to the actual stoppage, Jamie. It’s, like, further in the fight. When he ai, at this point in time, TJ’s just ai it
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02:07:15
on him. Meh. Yeah.
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02:07:16
Yeah. Just standing right in front of him and popping up. Look at that.
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02:07:19
A full jab.
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02:07:19
Not getting hit, staying right in range, dropping down. Head movement. Yeah. Oh, look at that head kick. Beautiful. Oh ai goodness.
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02:07:27
Beautiful.
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02:07:28
Look at this I mean, it and it’s artistic. It’s fucking beautiful, man. Yeah. I love it. Beautiful stoppage. Yeah. Like, one of the best championship winning performances in the history of the sport.
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02:07:38
Yeah. Easy.
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02:07:39
In the history of the sport.
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02:07:40
Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful.
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02:07:41
Oh, but that dude, unfortunately, had two bum shoulders.
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02:07:45
Oh, is that what it was?
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02:07:46
Yeah. Forever. He had even when he won the title, his shoulders reflect. He had torn supraspinatuses in both of his shoulders.
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02:07:54
I’ve I’ve done one on this side.
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02:07:55
It got to the point where he never got it fixed. So it got to the point where they’re just popping out. So by the time he fought Aljamaine Sterling Yeah.
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02:08:01
He just ai
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02:08:02
he told the the the referee in the locker room Yeah. My shoulder’s gonna go out of socket.
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02:08:06
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy to to go in there knowing that that’s
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02:08:11
So now he’s he had to retire Yeah. And he had multiple operations on his shoulder, and he can’t even reach over his head. He gets his arm that far. Like, that’s how fucked he is. Three months ago, he’s sana get another one.
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02:08:22
Oh oh, yeah. You can sai. Jeez.
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02:08:23
Oh ai god. Meh another surgery. They’re gonna cut off the head of my humerus and turn the head into a plastic plunger.
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02:08:30
That sounds like a bit too much. I hate being a said, like, surgery for anything.
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02:08:35
He has the worst shoulder injuries I’ve ever seen. I know there’s been a lot ai years Was
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02:08:40
that from before?
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02:08:41
It was from wrestling.
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02:08:42
Oh, it’s from wrestling.
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02:08:43
Sai think it’s just from having torn shoulders and just trying to rehab them and not getting them surgically
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02:08:49
Okay.
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02:08:49
Ai, if you you can have some things loose in there and strengthen everything else up Yeah. And kinda be functional, but not if you’re gonna be a world championship fighter.
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02:08:57
Fair. Fair. Fair.
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02:08:58
And the problem with a lot of those things is once it tears and pulls back, you can’t get it back in place. Yeah. So then you have really complicated surgeries where they have to take a piece of your hamstring and stick it up there or some other part of your body and reconstruct what was supposed to be there.
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02:09:13
Yeah. And
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02:09:13
then you have to slowly build range of motion into it. Like, he got to the point where he was too tough Yeah. For the injuries that he had, where he should have probably got them fixed immediately, and maybe he could have prolonged
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02:09:24
I feel like it just sounds like he just he went back in in terms of getting back into training a bit too quickly. So the I feel like the rehab can work. I know you obviously, there’s certain things you’re gonna need surgery for. But there’s a lot of my stuff. I’ve managed to bring it back and even I
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02:09:38
don’t think he had surgery until after he was done fighting.
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02:09:41
Oh, so he he didn’t have surgery?
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02:09:42
No. He know he had surgery on one of his knees because he blew his knee out in the Sanhagen ai. Or I should say Sanhagen after talking with Sanhagen about what happens in that fifty fifty position, Sanhagen blew his knee out.
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02:09:54
Oh, okay. Okay.
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02:09:55
Got it. He he put him in a position where if TJ didn’t give in
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02:09:59
Yeah.
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02:09:59
He was gonna get his knee fucked up, and he got he chose to get his knee fucked up. But that was Corey putting him in that position. Uh-huh. So he had to get an ACL reconstruction. So that but I don’t think he got the shoulder surgeries until after he was done fighting. He might have gotten one and then tried to fight again.
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02:10:14
Yeah.
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02:10:14
But the problem is, like, his shoulders were fucked, man. They were really fucked.
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02:10:18
But that doesn’t look fixed. Well, it looks like it’s too big. No. Having to
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02:10:24
No. No. No. No. No. It doesn’t look fixed, but I think that’s all they could do with it. I think it was Shah ai. I think it was that bad. I’m looking at an article from right after that fight. It says his third shoulder surgery since 2019. Okay. So that’s when he started getting them. And when was that fight? When was the last fight that he had? That was, like, 2023?
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02:10:40
The Algill fight, I think, is ’22.
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02:10:42
Okay.
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02:10:43
UFC two ’80. Mhmm.
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02:10:45
It’s not
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I mean, it’s
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not Is
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it 2022? That’s when this article went from. So he had those shoulder surgeries, and then I know he’s had a ton since. And since, you know like, you look at his Instagram page, it’s ai, every few months, it’s him in a a sling. Well, we’re always gonna try again.
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02:11:01
I know guys that are like surgery, surgery, surgery, surgery, and it Sai they it never seems to I’ve never unless Ai forced to. I don’t ever really go down a surgery route. I always try and figure out a different way. Like, I’ve had enough. It was both my ai, but one was, supraspinatus. The other one was rotator cuff and ai, like, some lat injury as well.
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02:11:20
But just slowly back to the point where I couldn’t do a push up. When in my last couple of is it Bellator fights? Yeah. My last few Bellator fights, I couldn’t do a push up. I could still hit in certain ai certain angles, I was fine, but I had no strength in that direction.
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02:11:36
While you were fighting? While I
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was fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Sai literally ai to get out there, my my arms would just start shaking. I couldn’t Why didn’t you
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02:11:45
do something about that before?
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I was doing Sai was doing, like, rehabs. I was like, as long as I can hit you, I’m fine. Ai, right?
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02:11:51
I don’t know. That’s so crazy. Going into a fight with that kind of
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02:11:54
a major handicap. Ai had worse, but What’s the worst? I don’t I don’t want to say it as an excuse. So but the the day before my Iain Gary fight, I couldn’t stand on my left foot. Why not? I I up till today, I don’t understand it. I had, the the UFC PI working everything. They did shock therapy. They did acupuncture. They’re doing everything. And Sai ai had it.
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02:12:23
I had a, if you sai the fight, I literally had, ankle supports on. And they said you’re allowed the ankle supports, you can’t really have it taped. But I had it taped under the ankle support. But, obviously, if I I couldn’t just do one ankle.
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02:12:39
So I had to do both of them.
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02:12:39
I had to do both of them. And, yeah. Just the day before the fight, I’m not sure if I did anything when I was, cutting weight, like, twinged it or something. But I don’t remember anything distinct happening, but couldn’t walk on my foot.
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02:12:54
So it was your ankle? You twisted
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02:12:55
my ankle? It was my ankle or something. And they were working on it. Literally, I was trying I was in
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02:12:59
And you you don’t have a single instance where it went?
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02:13:03
I don’t remember anything.
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02:13:04
All of a sudden, it just hurt. Going.
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02:13:05
It just sai ai it hurt the night before. Woke up? It hurt the night before. So on the weigh in, it hurt. And I was walking around, and I was like, it’s hurt. But it it didn’t feel like anything drastic. And overnight, it just got worse and worse and worse and worse.
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02:13:17
Probably exaggerated by the weight cut. Right?
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02:13:19
Maybe. Yeah. And then in and literally the next day, in the morning, we had to go to the, PI. I was my coach is like, bro, if we you can’t bounce here now. I’m gonna have to pull you fast. I was like, there’s no way I can get pulled from this fight. It’s not happening. I was like, it’s not happening. Wow.
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02:13:36
And, when I ai, he’s, like, bouncing ai, trying to adjust myself and and bounce. And he had it they they did the tape that it was he was gonna use for the ai, and he said he’ll come in and do it again just before the fight. And, yeah, it was I was just like Damn. Adjusting. Adjusting. Sana And I obviously had a Still had a great performance. Yeah.
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02:13:55
I had a I had my so my guy, ai videographer, Kishan, he filmed he was we’re doing a meh. So he’s filmed all of it as well. I was kinda like, I’ll wait till it comes out as as normal, but not, ai, not even sai as an excuse because I was able to adrenaline just I’m I’m in it now and ai, but there were certain things I was being cautious of and not not wanting to do.
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02:14:20
But, yeah, it was just irritating. But I’ve had that’s that’s probably the worst in terms of the how close to the fight it was because it’s the day before. But I’ve had injuries in the build up, and I’m like, if as long as I can throw a punch and throw a kick, I’m make it happen.
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02:14:33
He just That’s the thing
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02:14:36
that people don’t understand when you watch fights. Like, sometimes guys this is one of the things about the rematch this weekend. Mhmm. Ai versus Pereira is that Pereira supposedly had a fucked up left hand and rotavirus Yeah. Before the last fight.
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02:14:49
Ai believe he looked off. He looked off. He he definitely didn’t look himself.
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02:14:52
But Uncle Ai have looked really good.
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02:14:55
A 100%. Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t wanna take anything away from Uncle Lai.
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02:14:57
When someone looks off, I’m ai, like, it’s like Roy Jones.
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02:15:00
Yeah.
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02:15:00
Like, people, Roy Jones didn’t fight anybody. No. No. No. Ai Jones fought everybody, but he made him look like there were nobody because they were fighting Roy Jones.
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02:15:07
Exactly.
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02:15:07
Exactly. Vatsal ai, so is that what’s going on? Like, is Akelion that good? And so we don’t know.
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02:15:12
I I
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02:15:13
So we gotta see him fight again.
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02:15:14
I’d only say no just because towards the fifth round, it looked like Peru could do some stuff. Like, it’s like, okay. You’re actually now landing that that calf kick a bit more now. You actually ai to do it’s like, why didn’t you start like that?
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02:15:24
He didn’t have the gas.
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02:15:26
Yeah. So If If you
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02:15:27
got rotavirus, your gas is very low, and you probably your energy level feels very low.
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02:15:31
So he’s he’s trying to be he’s conserve he’s conserving energy and so so this is what makes this one this fight so much more interesting because, hopefully, he’s had the camp he is. And Ai hopefully comes in looking exactly the same way he did that last fight.
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02:15:43
Yeah. Or better.
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Or better.
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02:15:45
He’s gonna be better because he’s gonna be the champion. When you I think there’s a thing that happens that Daniel Cormier has expressed this too. It’s like a 30% bump when you become the champion. You just got you got third you know, like, when you were talking about when you won that tournament.
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02:15:57
Yeah. Just boom. Yeah. Yeah. Ai. I think
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02:15:59
there’s that when you get the championship. Hopefully, you’re gonna get to experience
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02:16:03
it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You’ll get to experience that bump. But this is,
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02:16:06
you know, Sai feel like that’s just we’re we’re gonna have to sai, and it’s a very intriguing one. Yeah. Because Pereira, if you heard his left hand, that’s the doom punch.
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02:16:16
Exactly.
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02:16:16
That left hook is Yeah.
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02:16:17
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:16:18
That’s the one. That’s the one. If you look at his highlight reel, there’s so many left hooks.
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02:16:22
When he catches people with that, even when he grazed, like, Jamar Hill Yeah. It was a I don’t I still don’t get it now. He grazed him.
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02:16:29
He’s got a hell of a punch on him, man.
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02:16:31
He put him out. Yeah.
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02:16:32
Yeah. The Yuri Prohaska one at the end of the first round.
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02:16:34
Yuri Yeah.
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02:16:34
Like, yo. And then he headkicks him in the beginning of the second. Yeah. He’s got ferocious power.
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02:16:41
That head kick was fast.
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02:16:43
Yeah.
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02:16:43
I think it was fast as well.
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02:16:44
Boy, I hope he’s healthy. But I heard I heard he’s super heavy coming into this week.
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02:16:49
Oh, is it?
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02:16:49
I heard he’s, like, two thirty going into this week. Yeah. For for him
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02:16:54
I guess he’s got a lot to cut.
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02:16:55
Yeah. Some guys can do it.
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02:16:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:16:57
I don’t know what the fuck they’re
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02:16:59
Well, I guess if he he was able to get to middleweight.
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02:17:01
Yeah. Well, yeah.
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02:17:02
But also ai it makes you lazier as well, like, oh, I can do that. Ai then you and then yeah. And then you get close to the ai. Oh, shit. Sai bit of work now.
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02:17:10
Well, he has talked about moving up. But again? Yeah. And so is Ai.
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02:17:14
Oh, yeah. Actually, he has. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:17:15
Nikolaev just said that recently, that he wants to defend the title a couple of times then move up to heavyweight.
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02:17:21
I think it’s a bit too small.
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02:17:23
Maybe. But if you put size on and he gives himself enough time, he’s got the skill set and Aspinall’s gonna need some fucking challengers.
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02:17:31
But then does yeah. Fair. Ai. Fair.
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02:17:33
Unless Cyril Sana beats him.
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02:17:34
Right? Yeah. Yeah. But then does he need you know, does it I always say that the time that Jon Jones took off to get to heavyweight, does he need that kind of time? Because it takes a while to put on sai like that. Naturally, it takes ages.
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02:17:47
Not when you’re over in Russia. Fair
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02:17:52
enough, Seth.
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02:17:54
Ai difficult. Get the most fucking drug testy guys on a plane. If they do, everybody knows when they’re landing. Fair. Good luck Fair. Fair. Going into the bathroom while those guys pee. Yeah. You will accept glass of urine. I will hand it to Vatsal. He handles this to you. This is clean urine.
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02:18:16
I’m not accusing him of doing that, but
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02:18:22
I know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know,
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02:18:23
I’m sure. Listen to me. That was always ai the joke about guys going over to Thailand. Like, why are they going over to Ai? It was good training. And also, really hard to get those you saw the guys on a flight. Ah.
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02:18:34
Yeah. I know that. Yeah.
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02:18:36
I thought it was sai lot of speculation
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02:18:37
about that. Ai kind of stuff. Like, I just don’t I just don’t care enough because, again, it’s like like I said, I don’t really have, like, a schedule for anything. Even when Ai even the good stuff, like, the things you’re supposed to be doing. I’m just like, I’ll just I’ll do it.
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02:18:49
So you’re not ai a supplement ai
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02:18:52
At all. I Ai I don’t take protein shakes at all. Nothing? Nothing.
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02:18:56
Nothing.
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02:18:57
That’s crazy. No. No. No. Never. Never been into it. Multivitamins? Vitamins. Yeah. Ai, but, again, I just forget to take them. Like, I’ve I’ve I’ve seriously, ADHD ai. I’m just like
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02:19:07
You should have someone who makes, like, a little packet for you Yeah.
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02:19:10
With everything. I’m gonna I meh my wife to do it, soon because she’s very into that. She’s very into her fitness and stuff. She’s a Pilates in, instructor. She got her own Pilates app and stuff. And she’s she smartly well, I don’t even know if she even intended it that way, but she kinda blew up over COVID because she sai up her app at that ai, and now everyone’s at home.
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02:19:34
Oh, perfect. You know what I mean? It’s just perfect ai. She just blew up her app circle, Cloud Ai Collective, and she does Pilates for women bike. Have you ever done Pilates yourself?
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02:19:43
Yes. I have.
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02:19:43
Bro, I I did a video with her, and she got her to train some MMA. And then I she’s like, okay. You come and do these Pilates. She killed me.
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02:19:51
It’s a lot more difficult than I thought.
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02:19:52
It’s so much but I didn’t
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02:19:53
know. Muscles. Yeah. It Inside of your meh.
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02:19:56
But that’s what’s actually helped with a lot of my the rehab sai. Because it’s it’s those muscles that we we ai. We go to the big muscles. Yeah. We wanna work these muscles. And it’s all those little ones that are not getting worked, and those are the ones that injured. Stabilizers. Stabilizers. Yeah.
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02:20:10
And I didn’t know that that it was, a meh, I forget his first name, but called something Pilates who started it for men in war to help recover, guys in war to get them back out to to to to war. Ai it’s become such a female led, sport.
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02:20:28
Well, that goes to speak about what I was talking about with the Russians and being technical. You know who was really into Pilates? Kovalev. Okay. Remember when Kovalev was the ai heavyweight champion? Yeah. Yeah. The crusher Yeah. Yeah.
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02:20:39
Meh was
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02:20:40
fucking everybody up. Yeah. He was big in
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02:20:41
the Pilates. He was doing Pilates all the time and everyone’s like, wait a minute.
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02:20:45
What? That guy? The strength from ram get can get from anywhere because like I said, those smaller muscles that help facilitate the
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02:20:50
bigger muscles
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02:20:51
Yeah. Ai, it’s it’s crazy.
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02:20:54
It’s the same people that, like, look down on yoga. Like, bitch,
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02:20:56
go to
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02:20:57
a ninety minute hot yoga class. Go get it.
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02:20:59
Ai did that. Yeah.
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02:21:00
It’s hard.
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02:21:01
And I was like, yeah. I’m gonna go to a yoga a hot yoga. You ai, I was more thinking just it’s nice to kinda get the sweat going and stuff. I remember the lady, she’s like, oh, yeah. Go to if you go to that side of the room, it’s a bit it’s quite hot. So, you know, if you’re new to it, just go to this side of the room. And I was like, this woman, whatever, man. Get all that hot stuff.
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02:21:18
Hot ai. And And she’s like, oh, you know, if you feel if you ever feel faint at all, you don’t have to continue. You can kinda just sit down. I was like, what’s she talking about? It’s not that hot in here.
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02:21:26
Google me, lady. Bro.
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02:21:29
Ai think, like, three moves later, I slowly, like, just, like, moved the meh. Like, I didn’t wanna go too far. I didn’t wanna but I moved from the hot side of the room to, like, the middle ish closer to that side. And then there was one move Ai was just stretching and, like, I literally just got light headed. I was like, shit. She’s this is real.
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02:21:48
It’s real.
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02:21:48
It’s real.
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02:21:49
You see all those little old ladies in there and you think, oh, this is Yeah. Yeah.
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02:21:52
Yeah. It’s difficult. Ai my sai my wife is strong as hell and I’m just like, yes. It has to be from that. Like, she and then when I do the session I did a session with her this morning because she does some great sessions. Like, when I do session with her, like, she she kills it.
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02:22:06
And she’s I have to say she’s smart in this in how she’s done it as well because, actually, somehow Ai didn’t know because she’s in a on her ram, she’s done a cycle syncing specifically for women. I didn’t realize that women have a obviously, I knew women twenty eight day ai, and men have a, twenty, twenty four day cycle.
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02:22:25
Twenty four hours, and they have twenty eight days. So there’s specific times that they should be training us, harder than they shouldn’t be training or they should be doing this and should be doing that. Based on biometrics? Based on just their Time of the cycle of the month. Cycle of the of the month.
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02:22:42
Ai, again, in my head, I’m like, there’s the girls that are training our class, and they have to train and do everything that we do. But we we don’t we forget that we’re just doing it based on the meh can ai just keep going.
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02:22:53
Well, women should think about that when they’re scheduling fights.
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02:22:55
A 100%. That should be a thing. And ai I said, she did it for blood. When she and I looked into it, and I was like, oh, there’s actually this is ai, even down to ai baths, great for you. Not for women, though. Really? Not all the time. But if you look into it so there’s specific times that’s okay for them, but they shouldn’t put their body under that kind of stress in the same way that we can.
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02:23:16
Oh, that’s interesting.
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02:23:18
Yeah. So there’s loads of when I started looking at certain, there’s loads of things that we forget that a lot of ai it’s done from a male point of view. Right. Forgetting that we we’re just different.
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I never would have thought about that in terms of their menstrual cycle and fighting, but of
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course. Of course. Of course. Of course.
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Of course.
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02:23:34
Shah. Wow. So, yeah, she’s put it on sai individuals can actually be like her it was scheduled and say, ai, you’re good specifically for you are good to train intensely today. Oh, no. You need a very relaxed session. And and these videos actually, she’s got hundreds of videos on a thing that will come up and be like, this is for you. This was for you.
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02:23:51
This was for you. But, again, it just made me think about the women in Meh, like you said. Yeah. It’s the same thing scheduled in ai. Even now to for them, weight cut in, you know, at sai certain ai, you’re going through their lutely, your face, they’re holding weight. Right.
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02:24:04
Like, it’s just it’s just different. Yeah. We don’t have any of those issues to worry about, but we get them to do the same structure as we would do.
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That’s a
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very good point. You know what I mean? That is it they they should be more information about that even for the female fighters. Yeah.
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02:24:20
They should actually be, like, their coaches should be setting fights up entirely based on Ai wonder, like, how many fights they would have won that they They
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could go.
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Couldn’t really train ai.
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Yeah.
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Because they were cramping up. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s just we’re just different.
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02:24:34
When you I’ve seen some videos of you, you do a lot of plyometric stuff as well. Right? And is that something you’ve always done?
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02:24:41
Well, it’s it kind of comes with just the this is why I ai like I can bounce on my cars for ages just because of that constant. And it seems to be a thing now. I didn’t really understand it well enough. It was just ai how I trained. And now Did you train like that from the beginning? Yeah. Just because of the points fighting style is is a lot of that shifting. Right.
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02:25:00
And But did you but back then when you were doing that, were you just doing the martial arts training or were you doing some Martial
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arts training. Plyometrics. With plyometrics. The reason why we did plyometrics more so is because we were also doing a lot of our vatsal. We did, martial gymnastics sort of forms. Oh. So I had to learn how to do these crazy kicks and stuff in which I would then this is why I would Ai would try seven twenties.
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02:25:22
Not because, like, I just randomly sai to to to just throw it out today. It’s because we were drilling them just for vatsal, though.
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Mhmm.
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And I was like, well, if I can do it for cattle, then I could surely, I can find the time to throw it when I’m fighting. And I would be, like, brave enough to try and attempt these things in in the points fighting world. And yeah, that’s that there’s a couple kicks. And I keep telling people, there’s a couple kicks that even for me, I haven’t even shown you what I can actually do yet.
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02:25:51
But there’s a couple kicks that I know I I can land. And it’s you it’s usually, it’s easier on people that are well trained. So usually, the better ai is actually easier to hit them just because they are very traditional. They’re very well trained. They have patterns that I can pick up on them. Ai, you’re gonna step this way and you’re gonna do that.
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02:26:10
And I always tell people, I call it attaching strings. The first minute of the fight, not too much happens for me because I’m faking this, that, that. But every time I’m faking something, you twitch. I’m like, this means this. Integration. Yeah. You twitch. This means this. This. And Ai just attaching strings to you.
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02:26:29
So now I’m moving you. I’ll hit you. You just became Pinocchio. But that and that’s important. This is why like you said, all those things.
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02:26:41
But those things mean something. Yes. You know, I mean, I want I’m getting I’m like you said, I’m getting that information from you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. He wants that.
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If I do this, he wants that. I can okay. I ai it. Okay. Perfect. Now Ai I got it. Yeah.
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02:26:52
That’s what’s so important for a casual fan to understand. Yeah. That there’s a whole game taking place that if you could play it, you would understand what he’s doing. Yeah. But you’re just seeing movement. Random movement. You’re ai, hit him. Yeah. Yeah. Hit him. Why don’t you hit him?
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02:27:05
Meanwhile, you’re if you knew, you’d be watching something beautiful.
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02:27:09
Yeah. Exactly.
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02:27:09
You’re watching, you know, a dance.
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02:27:11
Yeah. Yeah. Speak charming. That is that’s it. Yeah. It’s part of the identity, man. It’s part of the identity. Well I ai to tell people, though, but yeah.
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02:27:20
Do you know when you’re ai again? Have they given you any kind of an idea?
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02:27:23
No. Like I said, Ai I’ve pushed out information. I keep chasing up to kinda find out, and I haven’t really heard too much back.
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02:27:29
They’re announcing some fights now.
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02:27:31
Right? That’s what I’m saying. It feels like things are slowly starting to happen. I’m still waiting.
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02:27:36
So Prattis is gonna fight Leanna Edwards.
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02:27:38
Yeah. Ai gonna go down.
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02:27:39
70, which is where you’re looking at the most. Right? Yeah.
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02:27:42
Yeah. I wanna I wanna get back I know I’m big now, but You can make it now. I’ve seen it. I can make it. I sana get back down.
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02:27:48
Manages at one seventy. Yeah.
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Yeah. I wanna get back down to one seventy. Just because, like I said, I I feel like I think JDM’s a great, an amazing fighter. I just feel stylistically, I can beat that I can beat him.
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02:28:00
Well, it’s a very good style Yeah. For stand up for you. Yeah. That’s for sure. Yeah. I mean, he’s very complete.
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Very complete. Yeah. He’s very, very Yeah. Very good. I really like his style and very smart. You can tell Mhmm. He’s very smart. Like, he has in specific to the opponent. He’s like, okay. Yeah. But like I said, that’s one of the advantages. It’s ai, you’re not gonna have it’s gonna be very difficult for you, even as smart as you are to figure that out.
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02:28:21
Well, that’s why it’s exciting for you with any stand up fighter. Mhmm.
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02:28:24
As soon as
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you’re fighting a guy who likes to stand up, it’s ai, are you sure? Yeah.
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02:28:28
Yeah. Are you
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sure you like to
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stand up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I tell people I tell people this all the time.
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02:28:32
New thing that you’ve never experienced before.
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02:28:35
I’m getting you guys wrestling, man. I reckon all these stand up guys wrestling, and they always everyone’s all gonna strike with you.
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02:28:41
Well, listen, brother. I can’t wait to see you in there again. I’m a giant fan. I’m so happy you’re at the UFC now. Yes. And Ai know you do a lot of stuff online, so tell people how to find you and
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02:28:50
Yeah. So, again, it’s all the social media, Michael Venom page, everything, Ram. You know, I don’t really do Twitter as much or x. Sorry. My Facebook, YouTube, I’m doing a lot of stuff. ITM, actually, I’m doing a film company. I I always try to set myself up for the next stage.
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02:29:11
Ai I my my creative mind won’t stop even like
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02:29:14
making movies?
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02:29:14
I’m making movies. I’ve already made I’ve already made, two short movies. Wow. And again, the same Congratulations. Thank you.
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02:29:21
That’s awesome.
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02:29:21
Thank you. Thank you. And I sana get his acting as well. What are they about? So the first one was actually about an an athlete’s mindset. One thing that I find with films, I think people are lazy watchers nowadays. They find just exploded explosion explosion, action, action, action, and crap storyline.
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02:29:35
But I want storytelling again. And, this one is just more about an athlete’s mindset. I did it through the eyes of a runner, just because it’s slightly different. I didn’t wanna just go down the the same lane as, MMA. Did it through the eyes of runner on just how toxic your want and your need to be the best, how it can look like.
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02:29:58
And, again, it’s I’ll go go into that one. I’ll I’ll I’ll let people watch that one. That one sana just called Runner. The next one’s called Wait. And it’s it’s kind of about what anxiety can look like from a position of waiting for good news and a position of waiting for bad news, and how the parallels work and and look almost identical.
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02:30:22
So you’re literally watching two, point of views. So these two.
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02:30:40
So this dude’s just freaking out, waiting for Yeah. He’s he’s That’s fucking cool if
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you’re doing things like that. Thank you, man. Thank you.
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02:30:50
Very cool. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like I said, I’m a creative mind. I need to express it in some way. And Ai know when I leave, I’m not gonna be one of those guys that retire and wanna come back. I ai and wanna come back. If I say I’m I’m done, then I’m done.
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02:31:02
Well, that’s great.
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02:31:03
And I need something else to to go into.
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02:31:05
Nothing better than Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Having something you look forward to that you actually enjoy and love outside of it.
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02:31:10
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because it’s hard. It’s very hard for guys to end. It becomes your identity.
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A 100%.
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And the thrill, you know more than anybody. The thrill of doing that is above and beyond almost anything else you experience in life.
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02:31:21
My thrill is usually, for me anyway, comes from expressing art. And I we call it martial artists. As much as people see the the the sometimes the blood, the knockouts arya stuff, it’s art. Like, we just watched TJ Dillard show. That was art. Art. That was pure art. Pure art. Like Yeah. People don’t appreciate that ai of it. And I’m I love to paint pictures.
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02:31:42
And I’m like, how can I continue painting pictures after this stage of my life? I’m like, okay. Yeah. Cool. Movies.
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02:31:49
Well, listen, man. If you make movies, like, you can fight, I’m in. Yeah. Yeah. I’m
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02:31:52
in. Trust me. Yeah. We’re we’re doing
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02:31:54
big things. I believe you.
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02:31:54
I believe you. The guy my camera guy, Ai Lekhaney, he’s it just worked. The synergies just worked. He’s directing films ai he’s done it for twenty years, and he’s just unbelievable. So
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02:32:04
That’s awesome.
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02:32:05
Whereas we’re gonna do some, magical things.
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02:32:07
I love hearing stuff like that. I really do.
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02:32:09
I really do. And I got, sorry. Like I said, I got a gift for you anyway. Would you like meh or red or black? You can have both if you want. What is it?
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02:32:18
Just a t shirt. Oh, nice.
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02:32:20
And it just it represents, who we arya, hands down. Martial arts. There’s guys that do this, and everyone mocks all the ai, but it’s obviously my brand. So extra large, large. Large? Yeah. Let me sai. Large here. Large.
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02:32:36
Thank you very much.
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There you go.
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02:32:38
Thank you.
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02:32:38
Thank you. And then, ai, I got again, I’m Ai into everything, but I got a beef jerky company called Snap Down Snacks for snapping people, just wrestling, snapping them down.
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02:32:49
Snap Down Snacks.
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So Shah Down or Snap Down and some Snap Down. Oh, beautiful.
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Thank you
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very much.
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02:32:55
Alright. Fantastic.
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02:32:56
Yes. Enjoy. Let me know what you think.
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02:32:58
How do people find that company? Is it is it a website?
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02:33:00
Just Snap Down on, Snap Down Snacks? Yeah. Yeah. Snap Down Snacks. Fuel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And when you when you’re if you’re in, The UK next or when you’re in The UK next, let me know. I got a Mexican restaurant, as well, Iqso. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s great.
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02:33:15
You’re invested in all kinds of Yeah.
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02:33:17
Yeah. Yeah. We actually had Kendall’s, Kendall Jenner’s, eight one eight tequila featured in there. We’re gonna have, Jason Momoa, come in end of this month with his, vodka, Mille vodka. So
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02:33:32
Just Look at you. Oh, I’m
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in there. And shaking. Oh, yeah. We we everywhere everywhere.
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02:33:37
Alright, man. I’ll see you this weekend. Yes. Thank you for doing this.
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02:33:39
Oh, thank you, man. My pleasure. I I really enjoyed it.
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02:33:41
I I did too. Thanks. Ai, everybody ai.