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Joe sits down with Ilia Topuria, a professional mixed martial artist currently competing in the Lightweight division of the UFC.
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JRE MMA Show #166 with Ilia Topuria Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion revolves around various aspects of mixed martial arts (MMA), personal development, and the philosophy of success. The conversation features insights from a guest speaker, who is an experienced MMA fighter, sharing their training regimen, mindset, and approach to fighting. They emphasize the importance of technique, strategy, and adaptability in the octagon, highlighting a fight against Josh Emmett as a prime example of skillful execution.
A recurring theme is the distinction between different levels of athletes: those who train to compete, win, or dominate. The guest stresses the significance of being process-oriented rather than outcome-focused, suggesting that true success comes from enjoying what you do and striving to perform at your best. They also discuss the role of ego in sports, advising that while it can drive greatness, it must be controlled to avoid negative consequences.
The episode touches on the importance of mental well-being, with a sponsorship mention of BetterHelp, advocating for accessible therapy as a tool for managing stress and improving communication skills. The guest also shares personal habits, such as reading self-development books and biographies, to continually improve and stay motivated.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of continuous self-improvement, discipline, and the pursuit of excellence in both personal and professional life. It encourages listeners to focus on the journey rather than the destination, and to cultivate habits that align with their goals and values.
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JRE MMA Show #166 with Ilia Topuria Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Alright, Joe. My
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man. What’s happening?
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Pleasure. No. Please, my pleasure. Thank you for having me here.
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My honor. I’m, I’m very excited about this new thing you’re doing. I’m very excited about your journey into the ai division.
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Something that I felt very excited also about that.
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What are you walking around at? Like, what do you walk around at when you were fighting at forty five?
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I’m I’m gonna tell you in chaos.
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Okay.
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I walk around eighty, eighty two.
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That’s what is that, Jamie? Ai, one sixties One seventy? Seventy five. One seventy five?
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One eighty. One eighty. Most probably. Yeah.
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Losing quite a bit of weight. 35 pounds.
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Five, thirty pounds. Like Oof. Yeah. That’s how long Hard. That was the hardest part Yeah. Of my train of the fight game for me. I wasn’t enjoying, all the last couple of fights that that I had because it’s like Ai had to become more professional on the weight cut than in a fight game.
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You know?
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Mhmm.
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And
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it was taking a lot of time and energy ram me, and I’m like, my dream is to to become a world champion. I wanna end up this this chapter that I have that I started in January, and now it’s time to to really enjoy it, and I’m very excited about that. I already have one fight and one fifty five. Jai Herbert. Jai Herbert. Yeah.
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I really wish the UFC would eliminate weight cutting. I really wish there was a way.
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Why does he allow to do that?
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I don’t. It’s sanctioned cheating that everybody has to do. It’s ai you’re, you know I mean, if you’re saying you’re a hundred and eighty pounds, you’re not really one forty five. Right? So it’s crazy that you’re the one forty five pound champion, but you’re a hundred and eighty pound man. It’s kind of nuts.
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Yeah. And but but at the same time, if you go to the next weight class, you are playing with the disadvantage because the guy in the next division is cutting a lot of weight.
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Mhmm.
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So if you don’t do that, at the end of the day, you walk inside the octagon and you are the smaller guy.
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Yeah. Like Islam. Islam Akashv is huge. I mean, that guy, how he makes one fifty five is I don’t understand it. Every time I stand next to him, like, how are you in one fifty five?
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How much do you think he he he walks around?
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He’s gotta be one ninety ish, in the one ninety range. He’s gotta be. That’s what he looks like to me.
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I never saw him in a person.
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Yeah. He’s thick. He’s thick and big. I mean, he’s he’s not a small he’s not a hundred and fifty five pound man. It’s just so silly. The whole thing is just it’s it’s an it’s an old thing that we kept for no reason. And I feel like they should blow all the weight classes. I’ve Ai talked to Dana about this. I actually talked to Arya Emanuel about this when they first bought the UFC. Mhmm.
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I said the first thing you should do is get rid of this. Get rid of the weight cutting and just add a bunch of weight classes, you know, because some of the weight class vatsal, like the gap between seventy and eighty five and then eighty five and two zero ai. They’re too big. The gaps are too big. 20 pounds. Nuts.
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I would do something with the with the ram test. Like, if I go to your home to to to make the drug test, I put you in in in the scale. If you walk around, like, 8% or 10% over your weight, I would obligate you to go in the in the in the wakes next weight class. Just to give you an an example, for example, if you’re fighting a hundred kilograms, I’m I’m gonna say 10 kilograms, and I go to your house, I Ai do the the ram test, I put you on the scale, and you weigh this hundred ten ram, I will force you to go to the next weight class.
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Yeah. Ai think that’s realistic. That that makes sense. And I think that they should have more weight classes because the weight class gaps are just too large.
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Oh, maybe that’s sai option also.
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Yeah. I mean, at the lower weight classes, it’s 10 pounds, which seems reasonable. But really, at the lower weight classes, you know, when you look at, like, one twenty five and one 30 five, it could easily be five pounds. Five pounds is reasonable. But Dana doesn’t want, like, 12 weight classes or 12 fifteen, twenty weight classes like boxing has.
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He wants it to be like the UFC has now, but it’s not enough. There’s just ai enough.
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The real reason behind that, but I would love to talk to Sana and ask him this the these questions also because it’s kind of dangerous also
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for the
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ai. And many ai, you put on a show for the people, and you don’t really know if they’re gonna make the wait.
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Right. Exactly. And they’re gonna be compromised. I mean, there’s a lot of guys who fight just deeply dehydrated from the day before. And even though they’ve rehydrated themselves, their brain’s not rehydrated yet. Exactly. It’s not smart. And it it’s not it’s also not necessary.
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Like, why would it it would make for better fights. Why would you want someone to be physically compromised twenty four hours before they’re fighting? It doesn’t make any sense at all.
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But at the same time, the way God takes something out from you. That’s crazy. It’s like putting a dog inside the room for twenty days without any food, and you open the door, and you put him in a different room with full of food, it’s like the same thing. You know? When I’m cutting the weight, I’m I’m different person. Ai I feel that Ai like, my mind goes different. My thought process is different.
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Everything is so different at at that moment. I’m not so kind when I’m cutting weight.
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Yeah. More focused Yeah. Dialed in. Exactly. Dominic Cruz says it’s a good thing. He says, he likes weight cutting because it gets you dialed in. He says it gets you completely dialed in for a a fight.
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How much he cuts?
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I don’t think he cuts that meh.
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That’s ai. 35. That’s why he likes it. Ask Alex
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Pereira if he likes it. Yeah. You know, because when he was fighting at eighty five, he was weighing in at eighty five and then fighting in the in the cage at two twenty five, two twenty six, which is crazy.
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I don’t know how how that guy was making one one eighty five. I don’t know. That’s crazy because he’s huge and he’s so tall.
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Well, how about Dreykes du Plessis? How the fuck is he one eighty five? That guy’s huge. Yeah. That ai. Huge also. There’s a lot of these ai, like but it’s it’s very deceptive because the general public thinks that’s sai one hundred and eighty five pound man, but he’s not. Dreyfus is probably when he gets into the cage, he’s well into the two twenties. He’s a big guy.
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I don’t know in what wake wave he he walks around, but he’s huge guy also and comes out when he was fighting in one seven. Mhmm. Yeah. He was big also. He was almost killing himself, maybe
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trying to make the way Was Anthony Rumble Johnson. Do you remember Anthony? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anthony, I ran into him once in between ai, and I said, how much do you weigh? He said, two thirty.
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Wow. He was fighting one seventy. He he switched out how many weight classes? He started from one seventy. He went to, like, light heavyweight, and then Yeah. He end up fighting in in the heavyweight division. Right?
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He went to middleweight and didn’t make weight. He missed weight and lost that ai, and then he fought heavyweight outside the UFC and then came back and fought light heavyweight in the UFC.
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You know, something similar, happened to me also. I started fighting in the bantamweight division. Really? Yeah. Before the UFC, like, in Cage Warriors, when I was fighting in the Cage Warriors, I actually missed the weight also when I was was fighting for the belt. I was Sai I was fighting at that time in the meh division. Then I, I keep fighting in in the third weight, and now I’m in the light weight.
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I hope I I don’t end up fighting in the welterweight.
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Ai the wealthy way. How old were you when you first started fighting?
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In MMA, you’re asking? Or or
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in Well, ai when did you first start martial arts?
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With four years old, my my dad put me with my brother in in judo. Then we went to Georgia. We keep practicing with the Greco ram with the Greco rum on wrestling. And then we moved to Spain when I was 15 years old, and completely by chance, we find a gym and we started training the the MMA, the mixed martial arts.
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Totally by chance? Totally by chance.
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Wow. So were you an a mixed martial arts fan at all?
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I didn’t know anything about the mixed martial arts. I didn’t know anything anything about the BJJ, the ground game, any fucking thing. Wow. So we went to, to Spain, and we wanted to keep with the same discipline as we we were doing in Georgia with the Greco Roman wrestling, but they don’t have the culture of of that sport.
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So we were a little bit sad, you know, because we wanted that sport. My brother was really, really good on that. So my mom was, working, and he saw a man with cauliflower ears. He went to she went to to him, and she asked him, like, what you doing? Because my kids want to to do wrestling. Do you train in in some gym or or something? And he said, no. I’m doing the the BJJ.
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Bring your kids, and I’m gonna I’m gonna show you the gym. She came to home, and my dad and and my ram, and they started to convince us. Like, there’s a gym. They are practicing, like, jujitsu, MMA, all the sports, and, I was like, but what the fuck is this? I don’t know what’s this.
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And my dad start started to show me the videos of the Gracies. He he he told me, like, ai, one of the best sports in the world right now. You are gonna ai love it, this and that. And at that day, we went to the gym, and I fell in love since the first second. Well, it’s
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actually a great base to start out ram. Starting with judo and then Greco Roman wrestling Mhmm. And then going into jiu jitsu, it’s really great because you already have a an established grappling base.
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Mhmm. It’s great. Of course. My recommendation for everyone is if you wanna have a career in in in MMA, you should start with wrestling. Because for me personally, because this is my personal experience, that it’s much easier to learn in the future boxing than start with boxing and learn the wrestling. Really?
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For me, yes. I think so. And I saw that in in in many people.
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But how old were you when you first started boxing?
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17 years old. That’s fairly old,
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like, when you think about how high level your striking is.
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Of course. It is. Yeah. But when I started, I was like, okay. I’m very good with the wrestling. I can take people down. I can control them. I have a great ground game. But what if I go to the highest competition and I I find some some of the adversities? I have to be able to fight in the in in in the striking also. So I have to develop my game in the striking. Mhmm.
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And I tyler from from from vatsal, and I start with my brother. We were, like, the the first people to go inside the gym and the last ones to ai it. So we were starting every day all day, like, so obsessed. We were watching, like, all the videos of Julio Cesar Chavez, or Canelo, all that, practicing all the techniques, and then, putting in in interaction, the sparring, and all vatsal.
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And I was, like, finding my style Mhmm. What that that I really like to do.
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Well, it’s interesting because Spain doesn’t have a long history of mixed martial arts.
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Mhmm.
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So, like, you are the first champion ram Spain in the UFC. So it’s it’s very interesting that you you got in there as a young meh, and there wasn’t really, like, a big established community yet.
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So I was the first guy to to get into the top 15, the top 10, the top five, and then the the the world champion. We we had a guy in in Spain who fought in in in the UFC. I don’t know if you remember him. Enrique Wasabi.
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Okay.
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Meh. He did the ultimate fighter. Then we have another guy also, Joel Alvarez. He’s doing a great job also. But before that, we didn’t have anyone in the UFC.
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So when you first started training, were there amateur competitions in Spain?
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Yeah.
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There was amateur MMA?
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And I made three fights in amateur, and then I start with a professional game. I did four fights in Speak, and at some point, it was so difficult to find the fight for me that I had to start to travel in the European territory to to to get a fight. Yeah. And everything started from that.
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But it’s fascinating because a lot of world champions generally, well, there’s a good percentage of them come from an established gym that already has elite high level competition. But it seems like that’s not the case with your gym.
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No. It wasn’t. So I don’t know. I don’t know what was the reason, to be honest, to to came this far. I don’t know.
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Well, that’s always the question with champions. Like, are champions born or are they bred? Because there’s there’s gyms that develop ai, Marvin Hagler came out of the Petronelli Brothers gym in Brockton, Massachusetts. They’re not known for world championship fighters, but Marvin Hagler is one of the greatest of all time. It’s like there was something inside of him that made him excel.
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The same thing. There was something inside me that made me the person who I am today.
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Did you know when you first started training, when you first started doing MMA that you’re gonna fight professionally?
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Yeah. Since the first day. So my mindset always was the the sai, exactly the same as I have right now. I’m like, if someone did it, I also can do it. And if no one did it, I can be the first one to do it. This is the mindset I I I always had. It’s it’s like, yeah, that I think that the champion are arya they are not born.
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They are made also because you can burn in a extraordinary, situation, but you can end up so bad, you know, and Mhmm. The opposite also. You can burn in a, I don’t know, crazy situation and end up in a paradise.
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Yeah. It’s it’s such an interesting thing because they all champions are not the same type of person either. You know, you got guys like Sugar Sean O’Malley who’s silly and smokes weed and has crazy hair. And then you got guys like Alex Pereira, very stoic, you know, very serious. It’s everyone’s different. He’s very serious.
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Ai met him in in in Sydney. I went with my bryden because he made his UFC debut. And, yeah, he was kind of ai, like
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Yeah. He’s intense. Yeah. He’s so serious. Yeah. He’s intense. I remember watching him fight for the first time in glory in kickboxing, and I was like, Jesus Christ. This was with chaos people. I was like, this guy is different.
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Huge. Yeah. Great. Crazy power. His power is
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just ridiculous. I mean, like, you hit the guys with
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the the guy. Who do you love watching fight? I
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love watching you fight.
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Yeah? Yeah.
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I’m a ai a giant fan. Ai like all styles, man. I’m fascinated by the the game in all different styles. I mean, I Ai like watching all the champions. I mean, I love watching Murab fight. Wow. He’s a fucking animal. He’s the machine.
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I love him.
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He’s an animal. Ai mean, I just don’t understand that cardio. His cardio is fucking crazy. It’s like superhuman cardio.
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And I’m gonna tell you something about Ram that surprised meh, that maybe you see him in the meh, and he’s not the most special guy, the most skillful guy in the ram, but I don’t know what happens to him when he gets inside that octagon. Wow. That man is a fucking machine.
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He’s a fucking machine.
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I’m I’m a right now, you ask me who I love to to watch ai, that’s my rap. I would pay take my money. When he’s fighting in the pay per view right now, at this point, I’m like, bro, take my money off my But
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I love Omar too. Omar, you know, that fight was incredible. That was one of the best fights I’ve ever seen because they’re so skillful, so high level. And, you know, to see him make Umar start to wilt, to see Umar, like, you see the wobble when guys start getting fatigued. You see this, like, a little bit of, like, loose movement in the way you know, you see that. Muraba Nunn, Zero.
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Just shooting, like like, he was in the first round in the fifth round.
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Because this is what I exactly think that happens to Omar because you see, Murab from ai. Like, you are sitting and you you are seeing him training or ai, and you’re like, he’s not gonna be able to take me down. He’s not gonna be able to do that to me. And then you get inside the doctor with him, and everything changes. Yeah.
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It’s like you have a a machine in front of you who has, like, nonstop.
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Daniel Cormier went to visit him ai after he won the title. Daniel Vatsal Cormier went to his house on Sunday. Yeah. Murab wasn’t home. He was out running. Yeah. He won the title on Saturday. Daniel went to his house on Sunday. Murab’s out running.
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Wow. He’s crazy. He he came he came to Spain also to help me once. When Sai had the training camp, I was supposed to fight with Musa. He came to to to help me crazy. We the same exact exactly. We we were, like, finishing the training. He was going for a run. He was going, like, actually to to his house running.
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Yeah. There’s no shortcuts.
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No. There’s no shortcuts.
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No shortcuts. No shortcuts. But, you know, like, to answer your question, Ai, you know, I’m fascinated by all the different styles. You know? I I like watching everybody fight. You know? I love Volkanovski. You know? I love watching him fight this past weekend. And He’s so great.
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He I was so happy for him this this Saturday because he really deserve the deserved to get the that title back.
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Does it bother you to see someone win your title?
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No. Not that long.
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You good?
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Ai good.
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You’re like, I’m good?
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I’m good. Happy for him.
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You established. You won. You defended.
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I won. I defended. Right now, I have completely different challenge in front of me. I wish him nothing but the best, and to everyone, like, I wish the best wins all the time.
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That’s great.
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Yeah. That’s great. I don’t care.
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What about Patty Pimblett, though?
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He he did a great job.
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He did a great job.
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He did what he had to do.
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He did.
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But for me, it’s ai I’m Ai sana be completely honest with you. For me, Chandler, he never was a extraordinary fighter. He was, like, average level of fighter. Like, who did he beat, like, in the UFC?
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Dan Hooker and Tony Ferguson.
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Dan Hooker. Yeah.
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Dan Hooker’s a good fighter. He just he caught well, Dan Hooker had that war with Dustin Poirier. That and Dustin Poirier is a very good fighter.
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How meh losses he had?
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He’s got a few losses. Yeah.
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He’s a good ai. Very entertaining ai. Yeah. For the fans He’s a wild dog. Yeah. He’s a dog. He he he goes inside that that that octagon, and he fights.
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But yeah. Ai think he’s on a resurgence. I think, you know, he had a skid for a while, and now he’s rebuilding himself. And he’s on a resurgent. Ai and look at you. Motherfucker.
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So he beat Dan Hooker and Tony Ferguson ai he was, like, almost four years old.
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I think, honestly, we got Michael Chandler after his prime. If you go watch Michael Chandler fight Eddie Alvarez and Bellator, those were fucking crazy fights. Crazy fights.
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Yeah. But at the end of the day, you see worse. Yes. It’s a very competitive fight.
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Yes.
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You see almost a bar fight. You see two guys in the middle of the octagon exchanging punches, but you don’t see technique. You don’t see skills. You see a great fight because as a fans, it’s a very entertaining to watch fights like that. But if you really think about it, it’s like you don’t see skills in that fight.
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You don’t see someone trying to take you down, control you some great submissions, great transitions. I don’t know what’s striking. You you you see a guy that he’s, like, looking for a combination. He’s looking for his moment creating sai spaces. You don’t sai, like I don’t know.
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Exactly.
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It’s just wild dogs.
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It’s a it’s just wild dogs.
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I mean, that’s why Michael Chandler is so popular because he fights like a wild dog. Exactly.
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Yeah. That’s cool. Yeah. That’s cool. You need the guys also like like him.
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But I would never recommend my friend to fight like
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that. Exactly. Yeah. I never would recommend to someone, watch this guy and learn something.
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Right. Right. Right. Learn yeah. It’s ai he’s so entertaining, but sometimes it’s best to not be as entertaining and just to be better. Exactly. Yeah. And shut people down.
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At the same time, you don’t have to be Bilal.
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Right. I see what you’re saying. But you Bilal, I think, gets too much bad rap. Like, Bilal, when he beat up Sean Brady, that was very entertaining. And Sean Brady is very good. You know, I think Bilal just does what it takes to win. And when you’re in a and also, like, he didn’t really have a background in wrestling at the level that a lot of these guys did.
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He had to develop that over time.
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Yeah. But you you there are two type of champions for for me. Like, there are champions who prepare themselves to win, and there are the other ones who prepare themselves to dominate. Ai prepare myself not to win because I know that I’m gonna win. I’m I wanna win in fashion. I wanna dominate. I wanna more people.
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I I want people to be entertained. I want people to be, like, well, I’m happy that I spend the money this Saturday night going watch this guy. This is what I want.
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Yeah. Someone was talking about that recently on Instagram. I don’t remember who, the the coach was, but he was talking about levels of athletes. That there’s there’s people that train to compete, there’s people that train to win, and then there’s people that train to dominate, to be the greatest of all time.
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Exactly.
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And there’s there’s a different mindset. There’s a never satisfied, always improving mindset that the great champions have.
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All the time. I want the people to be entertained all the time. Like, when actually Ai was I start with with with the MMA. I ai, like, And after that, I was rewatching my my my sparring. I was like, will I pay my money to watch this? What do I have to to to change in my game to be more entertained? And this is how I was, like, looking ai all the time.
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I was very critical with with ai. And this is how I develop and develop and develop. And all the time I go inside the octagon, I don’t go there just to win. You know what I mean? I want everyone to be like, wow.
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What he just did. Mhmm. How he did it. He was the greatest of all time, and he made it made him look easy. Yeah. This is what I want.
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I wanna change the game, you know, the people to to I want you to say your friend, watch this guy and learn something.
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Yeah. Well, mission accomplished sai far. Ai? So far sai good. And now, a new journey into the lightweight division. You know, I don’t understand why they won’t just book you in Islam. There’s many times that I wish I was running the UFC. I would change so many different things. That would be one of the first things I would change. I’m like, book that ai. Book that fight right away.
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You would do sound fights also in Mars. I’m I’m sure. I would probably not. Do you all go with the starship?
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I Ai got some wacky ass. I don’t even think they should fight in a cage. Yeah. Yeah. I think the cage is an unnecessary, it’s sai Wow. Ai I think it’s an unnecessary element in ai, like, to push someone against something or to be able to get up from something. I don’t think it’s necessary.
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And how would you be interested? Being like a basketball court. Like a basketball court that’s matted up. Ai have a big space. I have a warning track where you can’t if you go outside the warning track too many times, you you could lose points.
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Okay.
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And, so when someone takes you down, you have to actually get up. I also think at the end of a round, like, say if you got a guy mounted at the end of the round, you start the next round mounted on him. Of course. Yeah. I don’t think Of course. Because why would you give him the advantage of getting up when he never got up? He never got up.
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Never got up.
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You have to earn a get up. You have to stand up by yourself.
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I love it. I I never thought about that Yeah. Actually.
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No no stand ups ever. Ever. No stand ups. Unless someone commits a foul. Like, if someone commits a foul and you wanna stand them up and take a point away, that’s fine. But if the guy’s in the bottom and he commits a foul, you have a guy’s in the bottom, he gouges someone’s eyes on purpose Wow.
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Take a point away, put him right back in the same spot. Wow. Because ai, like, say if you’re fighting a guy like Alex Pereira, who’s never taking anybody down. He’s just gonna strike with you. Right?
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Okay.
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Why would you let him back up again and have the advantage of him standing up again?
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Yeah.
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The beginning of the round, he starts standing up again. Now you gotta take him down again?
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But also, you don’t think that it’s it’s a part of the show? It is. Also.
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Part of the show, but I don’t give a fuck about that. Yeah. I’m a I mean, I’m a hardcore fan. I’m a purist. I think it should be about fighting, about elite ai. And elite fighting is you gotta get up. Ai, if a wrestler takes you down and he just does this to you and it’s not entertaining, but if he can do that to you, that’s tough shit.
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That’s what he did.
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You you would change also the the ai range, like, oh, you would leave a three round of five minutes with one minute rest.
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The good thing about five minute rounds the good thing about five minute rounds is it’s sustainable, and guys can fight at a high pace. If you had, like, just
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Fifteen minutes.
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One fifteen minute round Mhmm. Guys would be exhausted. And the end of it would be sloppy. It wouldn’t be the same. The pace would be much slower. It wouldn’t be as good. Mhmm. So I think there’s nothing wrong with rounds, but I think it’s one fight. It’s not five fights. So why does he stand up at the end of every round?
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I think if a guy takes you down and he’s got you mounted with, like, trapped in arm and he’s punching your ribs ai to secure an arm triangle, why would you why does he get to stand up again?
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Yeah.
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It doesn’t make any sense. True. Especially if he’s a striker and you wasted all that energy getting to the ground and you got so close to cinching up a submission, and then all of a sudden he’s back on his feet again.
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You have to stand up.
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And he didn’t even earn it. Start him right back down there. Gotcha. No cage. No stand ups. No stand ups ever. If everybody boos, tough shit. Go watch baseball. Go watch true. Go watch something else.
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We we you you wouldn’t like to see at some point the world championships in meh of martial ai. Like, for example, let’s say the seven best fighters from The United States in every weight class against seven bay best fighters from, I don’t know, from China or from Russia.
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Yeah. I would love that.
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The best ai against the best flyweight from The United States. And you do that, and you have seven ai because you have seven weight divisions. And if you win four weight divisions, that country won. Yeah. That will be ai.
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That would be great. That’s a great idea. I love that idea. Yeah. I think that that idea sounds really good. And, also, there is a bit of an issue, right, with the UFC being the premier organization for martial arts. The UFC is, like, if you’re not a champion in the UFC, no one thinks of you as a world champion. Yeah. Like, you’re a world champion.
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Yeah.
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World champion. Someone can fight in the PFL and they could say, oh, it’s the PFL world champion. Everybody’s like, right.
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Yeah.
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Come on. Come on.
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Because I’ve ai in the day.
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But at the end of the day
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You know that you have all the best fighters
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Right.
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Best collection of fighters in the UFC.
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Yes. But I watch one FC, and I watch some of those fucking animals that they have over there, and I’m like, Jesus Christ. Even these guys are good, man. Yeah. Some of these guys are good. And, you know, they’re calling them one one FC world champions. I’m like, Ai like to see them.
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I’d like to see them because some guys look real good until they fight elite saloni. And we’ve seen that before. Like, some guys look like destroyers, and then they get in the UFC against guys who are just a little bit more tactical, a little smarter, and they get pieced up.
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What happens is that Ai think that in one championship, you most of the time, you used to fight with strikers. In the UFC, you don’t know who who you’re gonna face next. Maybe he’s a wrestler. Right. Maybe you’re gonna ai Demian Sai. Right.
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Who wants to fight you on the ground? Maybe you fight Alex Paredo. You don’t fucking know. So you have to be good everywhere, and you have to be prepared for everything. Yeah.
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In one championship, maybe you are good at ai, and you can be a world champion.
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Yeah. Maybe. I mean, there are some good grapplers over there, but my point sai really wish there was no organizations. Ai really do. I really wish it was just all the best fighters competing. I don’t look. I love the UFC. I’ve been working for the UFC forever, and my loyalty is to the UFC, but I wish there was just only fighting. Yeah.
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You know, no organizations just like boxing is. In boxing but the problem with boxing is it’s very difficult to get these guys because they all have different promoters.
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Exactly.
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And if they all the same promoter, they all get fucked when it comes to negotiation. Right? If they all the same promoter and the same manager
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Just you you know something about soccer? No.
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Yeah. I know a little bit about it.
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How they do, like, the Champions League. Mhmm. They have, like, for example, let’s say, the Real Madrid. They have a team. That’s why I would what I would do is, like, I would create a team against another team. For example, I have Real Madrid. I’ve I I sai, like, the best seven fighters in the world, whoever I want in in different way classes.
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And you have, for example, Saloni, You you ai the seven best fighters in the world around the world. You train them in one place. You do, like, all the strategy strategy, and we meet each ai. We we do a competition like a Champions League. And we do, like, the whole year calendar and the best wins. At the end ai we do, like, the finals, and we give them the space to recover.
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We we create, like, a competition between teams, not the individual, people. You know what I mean? Yes. So I would
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do something
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like that. That’s a great
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idea, but the problem is I think guys guys get injured, guys fall out, guys get sick.
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That’s ai. In in soccer, you have guys that in your position, you always have two or three guys
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Mhmm.
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That if you are injured, you you have another guy that can can can change you or switch you, you know, between the rounds even. You are in soccer, sometimes it it happens. Some someone gets injured in in Estadio Stadium Mhmm. And they can switch them.
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Yeah. That makes sense. But, I mean, at the end of the day, like, imagine, say, if you get scheduled to fight Islam and, Islam gets injured and Arya Tarukian takes
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his place or something like shah.
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Again, you are, like, focused on, individual individuals. You are not focused on teams. Mhmm. Because no one’s gonna care who is gonna fight ai the from the flyweight division, who is gonna be your representative from the flyweight division or from the lightweight division.
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I’m like, maybe I bring you Islam that, I have it in I have him in in in my team, or also Ai could have Charles Solueira in the same team. Or maybe I bring Charles Solueira because I think that against your team, the guy you have in the lightweight division, Charles does it better.
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Right. Right. Right. They do that with grappling, like quintet. They do that. They have, like, grappling teams. Yeah. I mean, that would be interesting. I just there’s there’s certain ai, like, I was ai main regret in MMA that we never got to see Fedor fight in the UFC when he was in his prime.
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That’s true. If if I could have one thing, one fight in their prime, Fedor Cain Velasquez.
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That would meh great.
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Ai meh god. Great. In their prime. That would have been incredible. Incredible.
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Actually, Cain was an amazing fighter.
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Bro. That guy had a gas tank that was superhuman. Yeah. Sit for a heavyweight? It didn’t even make any sense. You would see guys just fall apart. They would
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just wilt. Pure boxing ai.
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Pure boxing ai, great wrestling, incredible chin, and just indomitable will. Too tough for his own good, which is why he wind up, like, towards the end of his career, he was just his body had deteriorated so much. Yeah. He had so many back injuries, neck injuries, shoulder injury, knee injury.
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There was just
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What’s going on with him? He’s he’s in jail right now?
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He’s not? Yeah. He got sentenced. He got sentenced to five years, and the the judge said this was the least amount he could send into him. He didn’t wanna send it to him.
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Well, what happened to him? Do you know that?
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Yes. So Kane’s son was going to daycare, and there was a man who molested him at daycare. Cain found out about it, chased the man in his car, and shot at him. He tried to catch him in his car and shot at him. Cain gets arrested. Cain stayed in jail. The guy gets arrested, and he got out on bail. I don’t know what’s happening with the guy.
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I don’t know if he’s been sentenced yet or what. But this guy molested his son multiple times. I don’t know how many ai, but he did what every father would have done. You the the if you’re not a father, you do not understand the murderous rage you would have if some man molested your baby. You don’t understand.
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It’s it’s you would see meh in a way that no one can describe to you unless you’re a parent. That fucking anger is I mean, if there’s ever a plea for temporary insanity, that’s that’s the plea. If there’s ever a person who could justifiably say I was temporarily insane, It’s a father that’s chasing after someone, especially a man who molests your boy. Wow. Yeah.
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Everybody understands it. Everybody understands it. He should have never gone to jail. He’s not a threat to society. He’s not a danger. He shouldn’t be in prison. No.
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And he already did three years. He was already in jail for three years.
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He has been a great example for so many upcoming guys, like, for the new generation.
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Yes.
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I don’t know why guys like him have to end up in the jail for something like that. Exactly. He didn’t rubber anyone. He didn’t Exactly.
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I don’t know. Exactly. It’s it’s horrific. It’s horrific. You know? I mean, I just don’t understand it. It’s, I mean, the judge’s hands were ai. He had to make a sentence, and this is ai, I think, the minimum amount. They were trying to give him thirty years, yeah, for attempted murder because he was just shooting at this guy.
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And, obviously, when you’re driving and shooting, you could miss him and and kill a bystander. You know, it’s very dangerous. But, also, the guy was in a murderous rage for a good reason. For a good reason.
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Of course.
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And if he killed that guy, the world would be better off. That’s my That’s true.
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That’s also true.
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A guy like that walking around and molest children should be dead. That Ai that’s just my feeling. All this thought of I mean, there’s a bunch of people on the left here in The United States that they have this crazy way of looking at pedophiles. They they they call them minor attracted persons.
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They wanna make it a protected class and say it’s, you know, it’s like someone being attracted to someone of the opposite sex or someone being attracted to someone of the same sex. Like, no. It’s not. No. It’s not. You’re victimizing children, the most vulnerable and protected people that we have. Of course.
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You can’t you can’t even talk to
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the kids about something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, like, I I heard so many crazy things about that topic that
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I know. Let’s let’s let’s leave it right there. We’ll just get in trouble. Yeah. I mean, kill them all. That’s how I feel. Kill them all. Anybody wants to do that to children, there’s no reason for them to exist. The this ai I mean, for yeah. You’re just gonna ruin lives and not just their lives, but you’re gonna ruin all the people whose lives they ruin because they’re all fucked up now.
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You know, you you you you you kill so much potential from a human being to do that to a baby. It’s just insane. Wow. It’s just fucking insane. So that’s unfortunately the story with Kane right now. And, you know, he was out for a ai.
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And once they let him out, he was coaching at AKA and, you know, he’s a amazing coach.
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We hope that they’re gonna they’re gonna think it again, and they’re gonna give him the freedom he deserves.
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Yeah. I mean, I hope Trump pardons him. I mean, that’s what I really hope. I hope sai. Make something happen with that. Maybe that’s possible. I mean, that might be the best best option. But anyway, in his prime, Cain Velasquez versus Fedor. That’s my my biggest regret, a fight that we never got to see.
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Because when Cain when when Fedor was fighting in pride, you know, and this is before the UFC was really huge. Right? Because they were huge in Japan in, like, 02/2001, ‘2 thousand ‘2. They were filling stadiums in Japan. When the UFC was just sort of emerging in The United States, it really hadn’t hit its peak until 02/2005.
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And ai, do you
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think that they never bring him to to the UFC?
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Well, they tried. Yeah. But I gotta be careful how I say this. So Fedor was controlled by, some Russian people that were, very, rough men
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Okay.
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As it were, you know, gangster type characters and, they had a bunch of negotiations with the UFC, but there were very unreasonable demands. Like, they wanted part of the promotion. They wanted to own a piece of everything. They wanted a lot. Because they knew that with Fedor, they had their golden ticket and they wanted to play it out as much as possible.
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Okay.
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The negotiations were very intense and, very, very confrontational. They got bad where Dana had to up his security. It got it got pretty yeah. It got heavy. Yeah. These are dangerous people. These were dangerous people. It got yeah. I could tell you more off air.
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Yeah. Wow. I didn’t know that story.
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I’ll tell you more off air. It got you should talk to Dana about it. It got crazy. Wow. There are ai. That’s
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why. Yeah. Because I always thought, like, why they don’t bring that guy to the UFC because it’s gonna be so fun for the for the fans.
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They wanted to co promote. They wanted to be a part of the promotion. They wanted more than they deserved. They didn’t just want Fedor to get paid. They wanted to get paid. They wanted to they wanted to make a lot of money and they wanted to get their hooks into the UFC.
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Gotcha. Gotcha.
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Yeah. Russian gangsters.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I get it. Crazy.
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How they rule, like, everything?
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Ai was run by the yakuza, you know. So it was Japanese gangsters and Russian gangsters. Ai speak the same language. You know, it was, they got along fine. But then when they came over to the UFC, the UFC was ai,
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that’s Damn. Not hell. That’s not the place.
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Over here. No. We’ll give them a lot of money. We want him to fight in the UFC, and it never took place, unfortunately.
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Wow. Yeah. So crazy.
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Yeah. So he’s about to fight again. Fedo’s gonna fight bare knuckle.
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Yeah. I I heard something about that.
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Yeah. Ai think Connor’s promotion. I think it’s Connor’s promotion, BKFD.
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Actually, do you think he’s gonna come back, Connor?
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If I had a bet? No. Yeah. Ai. Why? Comes back. Because he hasn’t come back meh, and he could’ve. You know, if he really wanted to, he would have been back in the gym, had a fight scheduled, drug tested, cleaned, training, gone through a camp, had a fight. Like, he had a broken toe before the first fight with Ram Chandler. I understand that. Okay.
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Why should you fight in a broken toe, especially a guy who moves a lot ai Connor? He relies on movement so much. Yeah. I get it. So heal that toe up. What’s that? That’s two months. Bryden toes two months.
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Yeah.
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And so then you’re back in camp. And then you you reschedule a ai, and then you fight again. But he didn’t. And also partying, constant partying, all these law legal problems that he has, you know, scooting around on yachts and, you know, driving around a Lamborghini. He’s he’s wealthy.
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He’s done. Maybe. Ai mean, the what’s really sad is if he comes back when he’s, like, 39 or 40, and his body just doesn’t have it anymore. Yeah. You know?
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So right now, he actually has a great opponent, Mike Chandler. He could fight now.
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Right. Right. They could fight right now. Yeah.
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They could ai. Because if they put him against Paddy, I think Paddy beats him easy now.
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Well, a lot of years off. Right? A lot of years off. You know, on the feet, Connor’s a motherfucker.
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No. Ai in the feet, he’s a motherfucker. I I know that. He can knock out, like, everywhere.
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If he’s still the same guy. Yeah. But the thing is, he’s 36 now, you know? And if he’s vatsal, also, reality. Okay. When he breaks his leg, he gets off the drug testing. Right? Because he’s gotta do something to heal his leg quicker. So what is he gonna do? Well, you’re gonna take steroids. So if you’re gonna take steroids and you’re already 34, your endocrine system gets fucked up by taking steroids where your body stops producing testosterone.
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Okay.
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So I’ve had explained it to me by scientists before and essentially, say if you take steroids for six months, you need at least six months before your body starts producing testosterone at a normal level again. Okay. Some people think it’s twice as long. So that would be a year a year of no steroids before your body regains its natural testosterone levels.
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If it does, depending
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if it does. You think that if someone puts steroids in his body, he he never come comes back as as his ai his normal body.
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Vitor Belfort is the best example of this. Right? He’s the best guy that we could use as an example.
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But he took bunch of steps. He took he took ai, like
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Luke Rockhold said when he when he was weighing in, when he fought him, he said this ai got muscles on his fucking teeth. Yeah.
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On his market. Exactly, bro. He got one. Sure. Ready.
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But if you go back to Vitor when he fought Anderson Silva before they had testosterone use exemptions, he didn’t look like that at all.
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No. He looked old, actually.
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He looked
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like his body sai was relaxed.
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Yeah. Because Vitor yeah. So this is look at the difference. Wow. Before you saw it and after you saw it. I mean, that is a crazy example. So when he fought Chris Weidman, his body looked soft and ai his muscles look empty. They just didn’t look the same and that was just a couple years after test they fucked up with the testosterone use exemption because what they did was they had test guys and if you’re low on testosterone, oh, you can have a testosterone use exemption.
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But you could get low on testosterone in a night if you wanted to. All you’d have to do is eat a bunch of shitty food and drink and stay up all ai, and your body’s natural levels of testosterone would be low. So you could go get drug you, who has normal healthy levels of testosterone, you could wreck your body on purpose then go get drug tested and they say, oh, Ilya, you have low testosterone.
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I’m gonna prescribe to you testosterone exemption. And so then you go and take testosterone, you become a fucking animal. And and you’re healthy. You don’t need it. So there was a lot of guys that were taking it that didn’t need it.
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So you you think that at this point, there are guys in the UFC that are take, ai, like, test steroids, let’s sai.
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I would imagine there’s for sure someone doing something they’re not supposed to do.
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Yeah. Wow. I don’t know. Because, at this point, I feel that they are so strict with the They are.
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They are
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so strict.
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There’s a lot of guys that do their camps in faraway lands. And I think that, like, people always used to joke around about Dagestan. You know, like, try try getting a you you sai the guy into Dagestan. The moment he lands
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They did they did some call everybody. Drug test in in in Dagestan. They they test, Khabib, for example, in Dagestan. No.
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I’m sure. Yeah. I’m sure they must have.
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And what if someone ai from from Isada?
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Where some guys from Sana and Khabib’s camp, they they had, like They had some issue. Some issue.
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Yeah. They had some I meh, like, something like that. But
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You go over there, ai, and, you know, you wanna get out, you gotta be careful.
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Nah. You get out.
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But I would imagine that if you sana avoid being tested all the ai, like sai like if you arya in America and, you know, you live in Arizona, whatever, they’ll visit you all the time. They’ll test you a bunch, you know. Yeah. There’s some people that have been tested a bunch. They get tested a lot.
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And then some people that don’t get tested as much. And if you’re gonna go and do your camp in Thailand or you’re gonna go you do your your camp in Dagestan or It’s a lot more difficult to get to you to test you randomly.
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Yeah. But they can anyway. So you can trust on on if they come or not. But there’s short acting stuff.
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There’s ai, when, Alex Rodriguez, is that ai on A Rod. Right? Yeah. When he was fighting or excuse me. When he was playing baseball rather, they were taking gummies, testosterone gummies.
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Okay.
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And the testosterone literally only lasts for a few hours, and it’s out of your system.
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Wow. Yeah. I never heard that.
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Yeah. There’s certain stuff that you can take, like EPO, that’s very short lasting, very difficult to test, very short lasting. And there’s a
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In my case, I don’t like that because I wouldn’t feel good with myself.
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Right.
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Ai I’m gonna feel like I’m cheating.
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Right.
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I I don’t deserve the the the win because I’m cheating. I’m a cheater. Right. I I can have that thought ai thought about myself. All the time Sai when I walk inside the octagon, I feel that I didn’t cheat, and I deserve the win. And that that’s why I’m gonna win.
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Well, that’s why guys like BJ Penn are so impressive because BJ Penn was clean when everybody was cheating.
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Yeah.
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Because back then, it was really difficult to test. All they tested was at the weigh ins. So at the weigh ins, that’s like an intelligence test. Mhmm. Like, if you cheat and take steroids intelligently, by the time you get to the weigh ins, you’re gonna be clean. If you do it with a doctor
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Okay. I
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know ram, and I wanna say the names.
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No. No.
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But they had scientists working for the ram. And the ai, these doctors would study ai’ blood work and make sure that they were clean by the time they got into camp or by the time they got into weigh ins. So when they’re on the scale, they still had all the benefits of steroids, but they had no steroids in their system. Yeah.
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And their body hadn’t started to deteriorate yet from the lack of steroids.
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I know some camp camps also that they use steroids.
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Yeah. For sure.
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Yeah. For me, you can have all the muscles in the world, but if you are not mentally strong because that’s a so specific moment when you are in the backstage, you need your mind so badly. You need it more than your body ai. Mhmm. Because as I told you, you can have all the muscles in the world, but you need this muscle as strong as possible. You know?
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And if
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you know you cheated,
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any muscle you know you’re cheating bad. Yeah. That you are not in what you in reality are saying that you arya.
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Right. Right. Right.
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That’s a tough one. Yeah. I don’t wanna I don’t wanna see myself in that situation. Never.
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That’s a champion’s mindset. Yeah. Yeah. That’s a real champion’s mindset. Some guys, they just wanna do anything to win. They wanna do anything to win. And and if they have to cheat to win, they’ll cheat. They’ll and they they’ll justify it by saying everybody cheats.
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Yeah. I’m a god believer. And in my mindset is, like, of course, I wanna win. I prepare myself to win. But if he destroys my plans, it’s because maybe my plans could destroy me. So I really don’t wanna have anything because I wanna have it. If he decides it if God decides to to give it to me, I accept it.
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I will do everything to get it because I sai ram from all my heart. And if he says that if I decide it, I have the faith, I will get it.
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Sai this And the reality is if you give everything you have and you lose, you win a lesson. And you realize you’re not at the level that you need to be.
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There’s never a lose, or you win or you learn. And tyler learning is also a winning.
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Right. Where did you develop your mindset? Do have you got any mental coaching? Did you read books on psychology?
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I read a lot of books. I try to read at least thirty minutes a day, but it’s every day. Every day. What you do and and and your daily habits, it it what’s what makes the difference. Right? Because we can decide our future, but we can decide our habits, and our habits decide our future.
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Meh. Yeah. So, like, what kind of stuff do you read?
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I read more ai, I I read a lot of books. I love reading books, of self development books. Also, how can I tell you? And and yeah. This is the most of the books I I I read, self development books. I I read, biographies of of the people that I like. For example, Donald Trump, Warren Buffett. I read that kind of people.
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Businessmen? Yeah. I try to. Yeah? Yeah. Why do you read business men’s biographies?
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Because, at the end of the day, right now, I’m in sports, but at some point, I’m gonna retire. I’m gonna make a I have to make a living from from something. Right? Because I’m I’m not gonna be fighting my whole ai, and I don’t want it even. Sai, yeah, I wanna I wanna prepare myself. So If you wanna have a extraordinary life, you have to be a extra extraordinary person. Right?
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Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. And I’m
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trying to to become an extraordinary person.
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In all walks of life.
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In all walks of life.
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Yeah. So do you have an idea of when you wanna retire? How old do you know?
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Till I enjoy. 28. 20 eight. 20 eight. Till I enjoy. I don’t know how many ai. Maybe till 32, 30 four. Really? Yeah. I don’t know tyler I enjoy. Right now, I’m enjoying. I don’t know what’s gonna happen tomorrow.
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So you’ll take that road when it comes?
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What do you mean?
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You’ll ai when it when that happens, when you no longer enjoy, then you will go on a different path. Then you ai.
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I don’t know. Right now, I I I wanna become a lightweight world champion. I wanna hold that belt too. So I don’t know what’s what’s gonna happen then. If I’m gonna keep motivated, It’s kind of difficult. This is a fight game. Fight game is so hard, so hard because you have to go in and take someone’s head off. And you can’t you can’t be that soft guy.
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You know what I mean? Like, that kind guy. You have to be you you gotta have that testosterone
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app. You gotta be vicious.
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Exactly. Yeah.
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You gotta be technical. You gotta be smart, but you also have to be vicious.
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And at the same time, everyone from my family is involved in in in my career. You know, at some point, maybe I will end up doing different things, maybe some businesses. Mhmm. Ai now, I’m I’m I’m doing different things, and I’m enjoying it also.
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So you’re doing different things outside of fighting Yeah.
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I have a promotion in Spain right now.
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Oh, an MMA promotion?
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Oh, ram MMA promotion.
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What’s it called?
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Woah. Woah. And the goal with Woah is to to because as you mentioned
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When you say woah? Ai how you spell on that?
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Way of the Warrior. Oh, wow. Okay. So from Spain to get to the UFC before was so difficult. I had to do so many crazy things to to get to the UFC, but right now, we create wall. And, actually, we are in the UFC ai pass. Everyone can, get in in in that promotion ai. If you have the the skills, if you are ready, someone’s gonna see you, and they’re gonna sign you in the UFC.
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The promoter’s life is a hard life. That’s a hard job. Yeah. You think so?
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Yeah. It’s very entertaining, to be honest.
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When I ai to Dana, at least promoting for the UFC, like, I was talking to him this weekend. He was telling me all the issues that they’re having and with different fights that I was ask I was asking him some questions. Like, what are you doing with this? What are you doing with that?
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And he starts telling me, hell, this guy wants that, and this
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is what Sai wanna fight. Did he
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tell you something about me? Maybe. Maybe a little bit. Ai he did, I can’t tell you. I did ask who you’re gonna fight, and they sana we’re working on things. But, he was actually specifically talking about, what happens if Bilal wins. You know, because, Islam and Bilal have been they’ve been talking about Islam fighting Bilal.
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That’s gonna happen.
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I would like that to happen if Bilal wins, but that’s an if. Jack meh la Maddalena is a bad motherfucker. He’s good, man. That guy’s good. Even if
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he wins, they’re gonna make that fight happen against Islam. You think so?
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Yeah. Well, if Jack de la Maddalena wins, then Jack is the new welterweight champion. And, you know, maybe he fights Islam. That makes a lot of sense. The problem with Islam fighting Bilal is that they train together. And I think, you know, they had kinda sai
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up the ai. We we sai fight fighting between each other that they used to train before.
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Oh, I agree. I mean, I think they should fight.
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Yeah. They should fight.
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I definitely think they should fight. I think Khabib doesn’t like that idea.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That’s how I feel. But it’s not just that. I mean, Jane is always putting out a million fires. I mean, think about it. They have 500 fighters on the way on in the roster at least. And, you know, there’s all these things that are happening and, like like, the Arya Sarukian thing.
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Like, his back hurts the day of the fight. He’s gotta pull out. Like, this is fucking crazy. This is you know what I mean? Like, imagine that.
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You have this whole promotion based around this, elite fighter who’s who fought Islam in his first fight, short notice. They they go to a very close decision, the very close fight. Armand’s gotten a lot better. Islam’s gotten a lot better. Then they’re gonna fight again, and then the day off, he hurts his back. Crazy.
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It happens. Yeah. Very crazy. Yeah. But if you will be in the Danish place, who would be my next opponent?
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Islam. Hundred percent.
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Hundred percent. I wish they
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I tried to tell them that this weekend.
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That would be a great fight. Yeah.
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It’s the that’s the fight to make, because you have a world champion versus a world champion. Like, if anybody deserves a fight for the world title in the next weight class, it’s you. It’s it’s simple. It’s simple. You knocked out Max Holloway. I mean, it’s simple. You knocked out Alexander Volkanovski, one of the greatest of all time. It’s simple. That’s a no brainer. That’s the fight. You know?
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He doesn’t wanna fight forty five anymore. He wants to fight fifty five. World tyler shot. And nobody would argue with that. That’d be a huge fight.
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Everybody would get excited about it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, they they make that fight happen.
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Yeah. Hopefully. I don’t have any say. Like I said, I’d get rid of the cage. I’d get rid
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of stand ai. I’d get
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rid I’d fuck everything up for them. I would make it, less marketable. Probably. I would.
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Anyways, if they give me the fight with Charles, it’s gonna be
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a good one also. That’s a great fight too.
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That’s a great fight too.
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There’s a lot of guys in that division. Yeah. You know? There’s there’s a lot of good fights for you at a 55. Do you have a ai of when you would like to fight at one fifty five?
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I would like to fight with with Islam. That’s for sure. I Sai would like to fight him.
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But if they don’t give you that fight, if they give you, like, a number one contender fight, when would you like to fight next?
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I wouldn’t fight for
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a number one contender fight. No. You only wanna fight for the time? Yeah.
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Of course.
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Really?
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Okay. Of course.
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Ai. I understand. That makes sense to me. Look. Also, it’s the most marketable fight. Everybody else has lost to him.
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Sai don’t care if Islam decides that he doesn’t wanna fight me. I don’t care. I sai, tell you’re gonna have to fight me. K? You say that you are the world champion. You’re gonna keep dominating the the division, all that. I’m here. You you you can’t keep avoiding me all the time.
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So you would just sit on the sidelines rather than fight someone else?
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I don’t think that they’re gonna do that. I don’t think they they would put me on a sideline because they asked me to I I will pay the bill because I told them that I wouldn’t fight in January again, but I get the promise that I would fight for the title in my next fight. Mhmm. So how much time you you will stop me and from the fighting?
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So they did give you a promise that your next when you vacated the belt, that your next fight
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01:00:22
is going to come. That that chance to everyone, why ai not to me? Yes. They gave it to Henry Segundo. They gave it to Arya McGregor. They gave it to George C. Speak. They gave it to to John. They gave it to everyone.
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Right. Yep.
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And I prove that I deserve that chat. As you said, I I knock out Two of the all time greats. Two, two of the all time greats. To the greats, Wouk, who who was, like, dominating everyone in in one forty five division, and Max Holloway. Great ai, both of them.
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Especially after Max Holloway’s victory over Justin Gaethje, which is ai the greatest victory of his career. Yeah. To knock him out after that?
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No one did it.
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Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I’d say world title fight, but I don’t get to make the rules.
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And the last fight he had was in one fifty five Right. Against Justin Gaethje
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01:01:11
Mhmm.
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Who also fought for the title.
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Yep. So Yeah. And then the other thing is there’s not really a compelling challenger at one fifty five other than you. If you look at it, like, he’s kind of cleaned out the division. There’s no He was. No one else. I mean, Arman’s gotta build himself back up. Yeah.
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He’s not gonna meh a a title shot.
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I would put Justin Gaethje against Patty Pimblitt, me against Islam. Once I pass him, I get the title, and you you you put me against Patty because I think that he he’s gonna
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01:01:45
You think Patty’s gonna be Justin Gaethje? Easy. Wow. Really easy? Yeah. Easy. Really easy. Yeah. Wow. That’s a crazy thing to say because Justin Gaethje is a fucking animal.
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01:01:57
Yeah. But he doesn’t know how to grapple, and Patton knows that.
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But he’s a division one wrestler. He knows how to grapple. You don’t think he knows how to he just chooses not to. He chooses to stand and and fight.
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I don’t think so. Did you ever saw him submitting someone?
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I don’t believe he’s ever submitted someone, but I think that’s because he likes to just crush people. He likes to bang it out and fight. He used to fight
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What everyone likes is to dominate people and and to win as soon as possible. If you have the ability to submit someone as soon as you can, you would do it.
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I think that’s your mindset. I think Justin Gaethje’s mindset is to be the most violent person alive.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And I think that’s one of the reasons why he lost some fights early in his career because he took unnecessary chances, and he fought recklessly. Then as he adjusted later in his career, he fought more intelligently. He’s took a lot of risks still, but he was more intelligent about it.
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He’s more intelligent about the way he approached ai, and then he started winning and beating ai. And that, you know, like, where he might have, like, thrown himself into wars before. Like, the Michael Johnson fight was just chaos, just a war. Just the first fight in the UFC just throws himself into chaos.
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That fight.
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Yeah. Chaos. Yeah. He would just throw he would just try to see he was like Michael Chandler, but a better ai, you know, just more successful at it vatsal high level.
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01:03:22
So you pick Justin Gaethje over Patty?
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01:03:24
I don’t say that. I do think that Michael Chandler was 38 years old with a lot of miles on him. Although, he’s a fucking animal and big guy.
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01:03:35
How old is Justin Gaethje?
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Justin’s probably 35. How how sai Justin?
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01:03:39
Thirty six turns 37 in November.
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01:03:41
Yeah. That’s when it starts to slip away. If you’re natural, have everything after 35. Like, this is one of the most extraordinary things about Alexander von Gautier.
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That he’s the type of guy that takes care of his party all the time, and he’s, like, very strict with his health. I think he slept more at at day than at night.
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01:04:03
Oh, you think so? Did he party?
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I think so. I don’t know. They put the the camera on him, on the last pay per view, and he looked like he was so high. Ai, this is I’m not worried about
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what I’m worried about is drunk because high doesn’t give you a hangover. High doesn’t kill your body. Drunk kills your body. If guys are in between camps getting fat and drinking, that’s never a good sign. That’s a bad sign. That that’s because you’re not just not training, you’re deteriorating your body, You know? If just in case he’s just smoking a little weed, I’m not worried about that.
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It’s not the best for focus.
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01:04:39
He doesn’t seems to be that guy that drinks a lot.
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01:04:41
No. I don’t think so. I don’t think so. Cocaine is the worst. Yeah.
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01:04:46
But When you
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hear guys doing coke, that’s the worst. That’s the one that deteriorates you more than anything.
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I never ever sai cocaine in my life.
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Me neither. I never done never done cocaine either. I when I was a kid, I had a a friend whose cousin was hooked on cocaine. I got to see it up close.
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Yeah.
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I was ai, fuck that stuff. That’s a scary one for fighters too because the thrill of cocaine for some reason is exciting to people who love, like, exciting things. Like, there’s something about fighters arya adrenaline junkies that like to be pumped up and yeah. Connor seems to enjoy it, which is one of the things that makes me think he probably won’t come back. Mhmm.
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But
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if he does come back, it’s gotta be now. You know, again, at 36 years old now, Patty Pimblett. That’s the fight.
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01:05:30
That’s gonna be a a big fight. Yeah.
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01:05:34
Big fight. Yeah. But I don’t even think Connor’s in the drug testing pool anymore. No?
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01:05:41
No. You don’t think so?
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01:05:41
I don’t believe so. I don’t believe so. Because see if you can Google that. Find out if he’s in the drug. I think he pulled out a
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01:05:47
drug. Sana come back.
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You think so?
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01:05:49
Yeah. If they give the the opportunity to to, I don’t know, to to guys like, I don’t know what, four years old, ai, Arlovski, you can have so many names that they fought at four years, four years, age. Why not Connor?
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01:06:06
I know that you want a world title fight at one fifty five, but would you make an exception for a Conor McGregor fight in January?
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01:06:14
But right now
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01:06:14
Right now. No. No.
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01:06:17
No. Good for you. Do you think it’s gonna be ai if I beat Islam and then I give the the the chance to Conor?
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No. I mean, like, right now before Islam. Like, if the the UFC calls you up and says, I know you want a world title fight. We guarantee a world title fight after this.
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01:06:31
Actually, we had that talks. Really? Yep. But yeah. I don’t know.
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What was that talk? Tell me what that talk was like. No. No.
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No. No. No. No. Come on. Come on. Come on.
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Of million of people is listening. Yeah. You can’t get out of the bus. It’ll slip right by. Yeah. If they offer me a fight against Arya right now, we’ll sai. Why not? Why not? Why not? Why I wouldn’t say no. I wouldn’t say no.
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Just for the numbers.
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If you
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cut of that paper too and it hits 2,000,000 ai
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01:07:14
Yeah. Woah. Why not?
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01:07:15
That’s the thing about Connor is, like, still. Yeah. Even though he might not be the best fighter in the world right now, he’s still the he’s the golden goose.
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01:07:22
Of course, he is. Yeah. That’s something you can’t say. Kind
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01:07:27
of amazing. You know? That still he still guarantees that many eyeballs will go to see him. You know? It just
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01:07:34
That will be a a great one. But what excites me more is the fight with Patty. Really? Yeah. That fight excites me even more. And if they could put that fight in Spain, in the Benabeu Stadium
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01:07:49
Meh.
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01:07:51
I I know that Dana doesn’t like to to to put the events in the stadium, but that’s the only stadium in the world that they can close the the roof.
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01:08:00
Oh, okay.
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01:08:01
Yeah. And this prepare for that kind of How many people? 80,000. Yeah.
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01:08:07
You get 80,000 in Spain easy too.
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01:08:10
Yeah. If you’re fighting in Spain
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01:08:12
No problem. Ai god. That would be insane. Ai gonna have to go to Spain for that.
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01:08:16
And and a lot of people could travel from England to Spain. Oh, yeah. And that happens very often. But
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01:08:23
if they do it in Spain, it’s gotta be on Spain time. They can’t do that shit that they did when Leon Edwards fought.
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01:08:31
It has to be in Spain time, but I think that the with the, like, the negotiations they they are having with ESPN and Mhmm. I don’t know in which platform they are gonna put the UFC events. They’re gonna ask for space for four or five events in Europe in the prime tyler. For Europe. Europe for Europe.
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01:08:53
This is listen. Europe time ai prime time is fine because it’s in the afternoon in America. That’s fine. So the fight’s at 01:00 in the afternoon. You people watch football games. A few hundred million people watch a football game.
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01:09:06
Still has to be a virgin, market. You know what I mean? Yes. You got 500,000,000 people in Europe. It’s more than Ai States even.
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01:09:17
Right. And if they did it on Netflix, everybody has Netflix.
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01:09:20
Everybody has Netflix.
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01:09:22
That might happen.
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01:09:23
That’s why.
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01:09:24
They’re in negotiation right now.
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01:09:25
That will be a massive one. In Spain In Spain. Ai against that that pimple.
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01:09:34
What happened with you two? Because I saw the video where you guys are yelling at each other. Was it in a hotel or something?
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01:09:40
Yeah. He said something about Georgia.
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01:09:43
Oh, he said something about your country? Yeah. He What is that?
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01:09:46
He said, like, now I understand what why the why the Russians are bombing Georgia or something, like putting bombs in Georgia. Woah. Don’t joke with that. Yeah. You can joke about me. Say whatever you wanna say about me. Whatever. He’s a mushroom. He’s this. He’s that.
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01:10:06
Don’t talk about war because you don’t know how is it.
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01:10:11
Right. That’s a crazy thing to say.
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01:10:14
Don’t say that.
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01:10:15
Yeah. So
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01:10:17
that was the beginning of it. Just out of nowhere, he said that? He said that on Twitter. Oh, wow. He said that on Twitter. Maybe he was too high, too drunk. I don’t know.
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01:10:30
He was talking shit. You ai? I mean, it gets people to pay attention. He’s really good at getting people to pay attention. You know? Yeah. He is. He’s really good at that. I mean, he could be the next Conor McGregor shah, ai, that kind of a star where the whole world is watching. Weird personality. Yes.
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01:10:46
Yeah. He has that.
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01:10:47
Well, he’s very disarming because people, they see I talked about this in the last pay per view. I said I said it’s a very sneaky trick because guys like you look at you the way you carry yourself, the way you that’s a fighter. Like, Like, you look at that guy’s a dangerous motherfucker. But when you see Patty, he’s dancing like this. His hair is flopping around like he’s in the Beatles.
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01:11:05
You know, he’s like, he seems silly, but then he fucks people up.
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01:11:09
And so I think people get ai. People up like Michael Chandler. Right. But when he he he faced a real ai, who who did he face?
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01:11:18
Well, he hasn’t faced anyone that good meh, but he fucked up Michael Chandler better than Charles Oliveira did.
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01:11:24
It does. And Charles Oliveira, even this what what I was telling you before, like, when you got 10 losses in your record Mhmm. That’s not one, two, three, four, five, sai. That’s 10. Yeah. Like, when you’re walking with a guy that has 10 losses, the level of confidence is completely different.
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01:11:43
It’s completely different than when you walk in with a guy that it’s undefeated. Right. He’s a dangerous guy in the striking, the ground game. Everywhere you you look at him, he’s a dangerous guy. He never takes sai lose. That’s a different mentality. You gotta you gotta have to kill him to give up.
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01:12:01
He’s not gonna even give up. You gotta have to kill him. In the case of Charles, if he finds some adversity, he’s gonna go to the to to to the ground. He’s gonna sit, and he’s gonna be waiting, like, till you you you you end up the fight. Mhmm. This what I think. This what I feel.
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01:12:18
This what I see.
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01:12:19
Well, that was certainly the case early in his career. I think things changed with him when he had a child. Then he went on that run and became a champion. And, like, when he beat Justin Gaethje, when he beat all those guys, he was he was pretty elite, man. He was really fucking good. When he beat Chandler when Chandler beat him up in that first round, he came back in the second round and fucked him up. Who?
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01:12:42
Chandler. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you’re saying. I get it.
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01:12:47
Because, Connor’s been tested 11 times last year, five the year before, none this year.
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01:12:53
Yeah. That’s what I’m saying.
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01:12:54
This year. He was tested this year? No?
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01:12:56
None this year.
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01:12:57
None this year.
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01:12:58
That’s what I’m saying.
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01:12:58
11 times last year.
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01:13:00
Yeah. I’m not sure if he’s in the testing pool anymore. I don’t know. I don’t know. You know, I’ve heard no plans. You know, the UFC would tell me. I would sai, what’s going on with Connor? And I don’t even bring it up anymore. It’s
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01:13:18
I think with him, it’s gonna happen, like, instantly if something happens.
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01:13:21
Well, that’s crazy. I mean, if he’s gonna prepare, he needs, like, a real long camp to really get his body back to fighting shape, like, real fighting shape. And he’s gotta remember, you know, what happened when he came back from boxing and then fought Dustin Poirier.
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01:13:37
It depends who he’s gonna face. Because if you put him against against me, he needs to die and be burned again.
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01:13:50
Yeah. I hear you. Yeah. If when you when you think about, like, your division when you were, the the champion at one forty five, would he have been the fight that you would sana when he was in his prime at 45? Would that be the number one fight that you would wanted at one forty five? For sure. Yeah. For sure. My god. For sure.
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01:14:13
He was a dangerous guy in one forty five. He was so big. He was big, dangerous. Yeah. He had the knockout power smart. Yeah.
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01:14:22
Yeah. One shot knockout power. Mhmm.
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01:14:25
Yeah. He he had that.
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01:14:27
Yeah. But when he would make one forty five, I remember, that was back when the weigh ins were literally right there. You’d weigh a guy in and then they’d they would cheer in front of the crowd. Now the weigh ins are early and it’s a ceremonial weigh in. So when Connor would weigh in, he would look like deaf
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01:14:46
Death. Yeah.
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01:14:47
See if you can find the video of the weigh ins with Sana McGregor versus Jose Aldo. Yeah. He looks like he was on a boat in the middle of the ocean for six months. Like, look at him. Look at his face. Wow. Look at his face.
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01:15:01
Look at that one right there with Mike Goldberg. Click that one with Mike Goldberg.
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01:15:05
Which right here?
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01:15:06
Yeah. Click on that. My god. Look how fucking skinny he looks. Look at his face, his cheekbones. He looks like he just got out of, like, some Russian prison. Ai, this you know what I mean? Bro, that one on the right is insane.
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01:15:22
It’s fucking insane. With muscles.
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01:15:25
That’s insane. I wonder how much weight he lost.
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01:15:30
I think he he he walks around in one eighty five.
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01:15:34
So he lost 40 pounds before he fought? That’s crazy.
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01:15:39
He fought also at, at the welterweight division. Right?
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01:15:41
Yes. He fought, well, he fought Donald Cerrone, who is really not a welterweight either. He was a one fifty five pounder, you know, but he wanted to fight welterweight when he came back. Like, when they were talking about Chandler, he said he wanted to fight ai middleweight. And Chandler was like, okay.
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01:15:56
Like but, you know, part of me wonders, like, whether he was ever really going to come back. You know? It’s you know what I mean?
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01:16:05
Ai really think that at some point, he’s gonna he’s gonna come back because I don’t think that he he he wants to leave the sport with a defeat. Right. This what, what Ai don’t think. I think that he’s gonna come back, try to get a win, and then retire in the octagon. Well, I’d like to
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01:16:24
see that. I’d like to see him one more time. It’d be good for him too to actually go to a real camp and stop partying.
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01:16:32
You know? Will be good for him, for his family, for
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01:16:35
everyone. For everyone.
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01:16:36
But At that ai, he’s gonna stop.
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01:16:38
He’s got a lot of legal problems too. You know? There’s a lot going on with him in Ireland.
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01:16:43
But he he’s running for the president.
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01:16:44
Well, they’re talking about prosecuting him for old tweets too. Ireland, yeah, Ireland is going crazy with their woke shit, with, with the restrictions and censorship, the same way The UK is. It’s it’s really scary stuff, but they’re prosecuting people for tweets.
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01:17:01
That’s crazy.
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01:17:01
Yeah. England arrested, like, 4,000 people last year for posting things on social media.
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01:17:07
Norway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Shah did did they say?
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01:17:11
You you don’t have to say anything crazy. You know, you could just sai, I don’t want any more immigrants in my country, and they’ll they’ll fucking prosecute you. It’s really crazy.
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01:17:21
Wow. Yeah. It’s it’s That’s not the freedom?
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01:17:23
No. It’s not at all.
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01:17:25
Free space.
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01:17:25
That’s It’s totalitarian government, and it’s it’s scary because it’s, they’re they’re using it to silence people, to silence people’s, opinions and Crazy. See if you can find what’s going on with Connor. Because there was something about Connor McGregor possibly being prosecuted for social media posts ram, I believe, it was 02/2023.
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01:17:47
Some recent post that he had made where they were gonna bring them back up and prosecute him for it.
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01:17:53
And he had also, like, the the case with the rabbits and
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01:17:56
all that. Yeah. And I think because he wants to run for president, of course, then they’re gonna use the law to try to stop him because, look, he’s very popular in Ai, and he might win. You know? I mean, if if these people think that their country is being invaded by Meh
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01:18:10
for some people from Ireland, like, what are the odds that Shah becomes the the president? They told me, like, probably zero.
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01:18:18
Shah McGregor will not face charges over social media posts made before and during the Dublin riots. Yeah. You know what? They said that about Trump too, that Trump wasn’t gonna win either. They said Trump ram yeah. All the fucking newspapers, everything was saying. The chances are none.
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01:18:33
No. But I asked to the people. I didn’t ask. I I didn’t read the
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01:18:36
the Depends on who you’re talking to, though. Yeah. You know? It it really depends on how we conduct some meh.
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01:18:41
To him. Oh. To him. Okay.
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01:18:45
Okay. There, like, no way.
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01:18:47
Yeah.
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01:18:47
Yeah. Look, he should be fighting. And he should be fighting while he can because you don’t wanna be 49 years old sitting back thinking if you could’ve just one more, could’ve got it together if I just stop partying.
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01:19:01
I really think that he’s gonna come back at some point, but we’ll see.
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01:19:03
There’s also the problem with that shin. You know, when a shin snaps like that, that’s sai nobody really comes back from that
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01:19:10
and fights his own level. He’s fucked. He’s he’s toys fact. He’s gin is fact. His body’s fact. With with that that much parties and drugs and all that, you’re gonna have to pay that price at some point.
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01:19:22
Yeah. Mhmm.
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01:19:23
And you are you are paying the price with your health Yeah. Which is the dumbest thing you can do in in your entire life. It is. It is
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01:19:32
a dumb thing, especially for an athlete.
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01:19:34
Exactly. Yeah. He he also suffered a lot with the weight cuts. Mhmm. That’s ai a big damage for your body. That’s also one of the reasons why I changed the the weight class because I realized that my health is the most important thing in in in my life. You you can have everything in in this life, but if you are not healthy, you don’t have anything.
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01:19:55
Yeah. You you know, you’re when you’re cutting that much water out of your body, you’re essentially getting to death’s door. You’re getting to death’s door twenty four hours before you fight.
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01:20:06
But you At a world championship level, which is crazy. You sometimes feel that you’re really gonna die. I wasn’t able to sleep in forty eight hours at all because I was so dehydrated. My body was so, like, skinny, and I wasn’t dreaming with water, with food, with everything. I was my social media and reels, everything was about the food. Food. Food.
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01:20:32
Food. Food. Food. Everything was about food. At that moment, you don’t give a fuck about anything material, about anything.
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01:20:40
So tell me when you start so if you were gonna make one forty five on Saturday, what is your weight cut like or on Ai, what is your weight cut like for the week? When does it arya? And what do you weigh before it starts?
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01:20:53
Okay. Basically, I started weight cut since the first day I started the training camp, which is twelve weeks.
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01:20:59
Really?
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01:21:00
Yeah. I’m on, like, very strict diet, and I have only one cheat meal a speak. On Saturday, on Wednesday, whenever I choose it, I have just one cheat meal. And at the same time, you have to perform at the highest level. You have to train as a motherfucker all the time, and you have, like, a 800 calories in your body, and you burn four four thousand calories. Wow.
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01:21:28
So you are wasting so much energy, but you aren’t getting back a very low. So that
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01:21:35
fucks with your mind. Right?
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01:21:36
That fucks with your mind. And you don’t feel happiness. You feel, like, stressed, depressed. You you don’t find the happiness in anything. They could bring you all the money in the world, but you don’t give a fuck at at that moment in about anything material.
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01:21:54
So you’re doing it all through camp, but when you get to fight week, what do you what do you weigh at?
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01:22:00
We do the the the water load. I start on Sunday with eight liters, and I don’t have carbohydrates. I don’t have any sodium, salts, and all that.
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01:22:13
Do you drink distilled water?
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01:22:15
Still water.
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01:22:15
Yeah. Oh, distilled? Do you know what I’m saying?
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01:22:18
No. No. No. No. Ai just normal water. Okay. I’m not not having carbohydrates, sodiums, and fibers. You you you say fibers?
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01:22:28
Yeah.
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01:22:28
Fibrous?
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01:22:28
Yeah. Fiber. Yeah.
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01:22:29
All I only have fat and and proteins in a very small portions. And I drink eight liters on on Sunday, then eight again on Monday, six on Thursday, Wednesday. I drink four, I think. And then on on Thursday, I don’t drink anything till Ai, till the wait ins.
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01:22:51
Really?
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01:22:52
And before the wait ins, I start to dehydration the the dehydration. Like, we do one session in the morning, and I have to lose almost from two to three kilos, and the rest, I have to I have to lose at at night because I always like to go to the bed, on on weight. I don’t I don’t like to wake up in the morning and have it to cut the the last part in the morning on Friday morning.
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01:23:21
Did you start drinking wine before weigh ins?
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01:23:24
I did it twice in my in my career. It was once in in Las Ai. I was supposed to fight with, I was fighting with Damon Jackson, and I had I had, like, still sai kilos or something like this. That’s a lot. That’s a lot of way to cut. And the guy who was, taking care of my nutrition, he he called us, and he told meh, drink wine.
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01:23:51
Drink half, half butter of wine. I’m like, you sure? Yes. He told me because if you drink a liter of wine, you’re gonna wake up the next day if you don’t put anything else in your body with two liters less.
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01:24:04
Dehydration. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:24:05
Because the the the alcohol, it’s sana, procreate the dehydration. I did it, and it works. And after that, I did it in my next ai, but then I was like, I don’t feel good. I don’t feel good doing this in the wake up. This is kind of crazy. It’s fun. It’s fun because everyone wants to I don’t know. Everyone is almost dying that that that night.
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01:24:37
I was, like, partying with my team, so skinny drinking wine. I’m like, what the fuck we doing? And after one day, I have to I have to face face a monster in inside the octagon experience in life.
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01:24:52
And so then you weigh in, and then what is the rehydration process like?
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01:24:59
So I I used to drink the electrolytes until I don’t start to pee. I don’t put any food in my body. I drink almost for three, four hours in small portions. Ai now, we are so lucky that we have the performance institute. We have great nutritionists in in in in that program that help us to to do it from the right way.
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01:25:25
So I started drinking in half liter of of electrolytes. For example, let’s sai, for twenty minutes, I have to drink that. I can drink more. Then one one that twenty minutes passed, I have to drink the another bottle and ai that
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01:25:43
Mhmm.
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01:25:43
Progressively.
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01:25:45
And so once you start to pee, then you allow yourself to eat food. Exactly. And what kind of food
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01:25:49
are you eating? Most likely carbohydrates. I don’t used to eat any proteins because it doesn’t help you at all to to have a great performance in inside the octagon. Right? Because the protein doesn’t give you any how say how to say, glucosa.
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01:26:13
Glucose. Yeah.
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01:26:14
Glucose that your body needs at at that time. You everything you need, it’s electrolytes and carbohydrates. That’s all you need. Not even fibers.
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01:26:25
Okay. So, like, what kind of food? Like pasta? Like, that kind of stuff? Pasta. How good does that taste after all that ai, bro? Amazing. Amazing.
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01:26:33
You you could cook the pasta for me that day, and I don’t know how good you cook, but it will be amazing. Amazing. I don’t care about
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01:26:43
that. Sai long without carbohydrates.
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01:26:47
I have, like, almost a week and a half without carbohydrates, and I’m struggling for twelve weeks because I have only one cheat meal. So once I I finish the cheat meal, I know that in one week, I’m not gonna have another cheat meal. So I’m gonna have to eat whatever they tell me to to to eat.
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01:27:06
Like, I wake up, I know that I’m gonna have two eggs with one slice of bread, and I’m gonna have to train. I don’t know how much in the morning. And then in the afternoon, I’m gonna have to train again, and I’m gonna have the same food all the time. And the good thing about that is that my wife, she she was ai a very important part in my last training camps because he made my my diet more more fun.
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01:27:38
You know? I didn’t have to eat to repeat the food all the ai. Because when I was in charge of that, just imagine what I was eating. All the time tyler same. All the time the same.
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01:27:49
Just the same boring food. Just getting through the month.
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01:27:52
Food because I didn’t even had, like, the the opportunities that I have right now. Right now, I have a chef. I have I set up my home with everything. Everything is so comfortable, but but before, I had to cook for myself, go to the supermarket, doing everything for my by myself, and it was tough. Mhmm.
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01:28:13
So all the food’s weighed out, all the calories are meh. Everything’s very systematic. So with this extra 10 pounds, how much better do you think you’ll be able to perform inside the octagon? Because I would imagine, physically, that’s gotta take a toll on you. As good as your performances were, and they were spectacular, but as good as your performances were, your body could not have been operating at a %.
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01:28:38
Hundred %. You are gonna see me at 01:55 that I’m gonna touch someone, and I’m gonna take his lights out. Even if I I don’t need to touch his chin. I just touch his head, and it will explode. I feel so powerful at that weight class. So powerful, so stable in the ground. Like, do you wanna wrestle it? Let’s wrestle. No problem. And I ai the gas tank for five days, not five rounds.
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01:29:04
Do you think that a lot of fighters maybe diminish their potential by competing at a lower weight class for too long?
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01:29:12
It depends. It depends. Some of them, yes. Some of them, no. Because I think there are ai fighting in one forty five that they could fight in one one thirty five because they are smaller
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01:29:28
than Ai Jose Aldo.
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01:29:29
Ai Jose Aldo.
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01:29:30
I mean, he was one of the best ever at one forty five and really looks fantastic now at one thirty five
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01:29:34
Exactly.
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01:29:35
And says this is the first time at 35 in his career that he’s ever taken nutrition seriously and had a diet But
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01:29:40
at the same time, he was a a world champion Right. For so long. Sana ai of the best. May may he he would cut the the weight at one thirty ai, and he wouldn’t succeed at this level.
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01:29:52
Right. Because he wouldn’t have the energy. But Jose Aldo was big at one forty five back in the day. Mhmm. He would struggle to make one forty five earlier in his career, but I just think he wasn’t doing it the right way like you’re doing it. You know, I think athletes of today are much more systematic about it.
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01:30:07
And they have more information about the nutrition. They have we we got more help from the performance instead of, as they told you, like
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01:30:14
The UFC performances too is incredible. They’re when when I remember when they first opened it, I was a little skeptical. I’m like, who’s gonna use this? What is the big deal? And then I went there. I was like, oh Bro.
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01:30:22
Okay. Crazy. It is amazing. Without them, you wouldn’t see many of the fights that we have seen. A lot of people would miss the wait. A lot of people.
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01:30:33
Yeah. So at 01:55, you’re gonna be able to eat more, you’re gonna be able to train more, you’ll be able to recover better, like everything.
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01:30:42
Much better. Ai really taking care of you.
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I can’t wait. I can’t wait to see it.
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I can wait wait ai. I can’t wait. I wanna fight.
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So take me through, like, what is a a typical training week like for you? How much strength and conditioning do you do? How much, how much do you concentrate on technique? How much do you spar?
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So outside or inside the training camp?
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Let’s go with outside the training camp first.
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So ai outside the training camp, I try to develop my skills in every discipline. Like, I try to to not mix it up. I don’t train MMA at all. I do boxing classes, wrestling classes. I try to learn every discipline separate. Why do
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you do that?
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Because when the training camp comes, I try to mix it up and polish everything that I have been able to to learn till that moment. You know what I mean? Everything that works worked for me in in in the wrestling and boxing, in in in the places where I feel comfortable, like, that’s why.
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I wanna develop all the time my my knowledge. I wanna get better all the ai. And I can get better if I only go and train MMA, and I only drill the same things all the time. Right. My head is, like, getting getting stuck getting stuck. You know?
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I need to learn new techniques because I I think that I have much more to learn in every discipline. Like in BJJ, you never end up learning. All the ai, you learn new new things, you see new things, you wanna try it, and it it takes some time that’s that technique works for you and and and when you’re rolling with someone, for example.
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Right? Right. So yeah. One thing is what you know, and the other is what you do with what you know.
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How do you know how much time to allocate to each specific discipline? Because something like Brazilian jiu jitsu, it’s a never ending journey. Yeah. Like, there’s so many techniques. It’s it’s on there’s so many different combinations of things you could do to a human body when you’re grappling.
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So the thing about me is, like, you have to decide what kind of style do you wanna have. Do you wanna fight from the court? You you how do you say that? Guard. Guard?
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Yeah.
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Do you wanna pass the guard? Like, there are different styles. Right? Right. But at some point, I I I was, like, fighting all the time from the guard. I was doing, like, the beating bolos, baby balls, everything because I needed to to feel what the people feels when I’m passing the guard. Mhmm. The the guard. Yeah.
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You know what I mean? So the same thing with boxing, for example. Someone has a defensive ai. Someone has, aggressive ai, but from distance, someone needs to cut the the the distance and and work more in in the body. So Ai don’t know.
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It’s like, it’s so difficult to explain explain it to you.
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I know what you’re saying, though. I think one of your most impressive performances, was Josh Emmett. Because Josh Emmett, he’s such a powerful puncher. He’s such a dangerous puncher, but everything he throws you has murder on it. Everything. But you just ai slipped and moved with everything and just systematically broke him down.
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But you adjusted your style for his danger. You adjusted your style for him and just dominated the fight. I think that was one of the most impressive performances because it showed how skillful you could be. Whereas, like, imagine if Michael Chandler fought Josh Emmett. It would be fucking madness. Just madness. Two dudes just trying to murder each other. Just fucking throwing the haymakers, you know.
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But what you did was you broke down what he was doing. You found your openings. You arya to get your timing. You started to figure out. You put all his movements into your computer and then you you rolled with everything. Everything he threw, you rolled with when he had big shots.
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You you moved with them.
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All his big shots were coming with the right hand. Like, he’s the type of guy that end ends up every combination with the right hand. So everything I had to do, it’s all the ai, I didn’t have to exchange the punches with him. I had to let him throw me all the punches, roll his right hand, and then start with my combinations. And this is what I really did.
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Like, I I was hurting him with with with the cupcakes, then I was going for my combinations and long combinations all the time. In MMA, no one works a long combination combinations. No one. They always used to do one, two, one, two, three, but no one does. One, two, three, three, four, five, six. You know? And Like the Sai Herbert fight. Exactly. Usually, you’re getting two punches. Everyone blocks two punches.
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But after the second one, they put their hands down again. Then it’s when I go again. Like, one, two, one, two, three, four, five. Boom. You are not waiting for that.
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And if I change the levels and I go in the head and the body, cuff cakes, I go for
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the takedowns. I mix it up, you you get crazy. It’s interesting that you didn’t start boxing until you’re 17 because you’re probably the best boxer in not just the featherweight division, but you might be the best boxer in the sport in terms of your movement and then your one punch power.
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Your one punch power is pretty fucking crazy, which I think you either have or you you definitely can develop it, and it definitely is dependent upon technique, but either you have power or you don’t have power. Have you so did you always notice that, like, from the very beginning when you first started training?
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I always had power.
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Ai that crazy?
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Yeah. It is.
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It’s a god given thing.
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God given thing. %. I always had that power. I remember myself without much technique, but I was connecting the punches and putting guys to sleep in the trainings. Mhmm. And I wasn’t that skeletal guy, but I had that power.
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But you were smart enough. Sai this is the difference between, like, a Josh Emmett approach and your approach. You were smart enough to realize that, okay. I’ve got this power, but now now I need to develop laser sharp technique.
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Of course. And I have to be able to find the moment. I don’t have to just throw it and believe that I have the power. If I connect it, I put you to sleep. No. It’s not if I. I’m gonna connect you that punch. I’m gonna work for that, and I’m gonna find that specific moment to put your lights out.
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And I know with everyone, even if in in one fifty five, I know that I’m gonna I’m gonna be able to find that find that moment where I’m gonna be able to connect that one punch or two or three punches. Because sometimes it’s not only one. I’m able to combine punches. You know?
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Sometimes you think that I’m going for your head, and I’m going my main combination is to go to the body, and I go to to that with that liver shah. And that hurts also.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. And little by maybe Sai I I don’t knock you out, but it takes a lot of cardio from you, a lot of moments. You start doubting yourself. You you ai, like, wow. Yeah. He he connects me with this punch. In in the chin, I’m done. And you’re starting to to to to doubt, and then the doubts kill you at the end. Yeah. It’s ai little by little, little by little.
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Yeah. It’s, it’s interesting how few guys really work the body well. That’s one thing about Jack Della Maddalena is that he’s a very good body puncher, which is one of the things that I think is very interesting about this fight with, Bilal Mohammed. He’s a dangerous body puncher. He’s very good at mixing up and down.
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No one, usually used to attack the body in the UFC. I don’t know why. Sai such a beautiful technique to go to go and work the body. Not only the head. Everyone goes for the head. Mhmm. But there are also weaknesses in the human being’s body, which is the the body. Especially with those little MMA gloves, you know? Everything cards.
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Yeah. And you’re you’re digging digging into that rib cage. But it’s just it’s interesting how the sport evolves. And I think when a guy like you comes around that does mix things up so well and does have elite boxing, the next generation will also copy you. They will copy your ai, you know? Because, like, think about the calf kick. There was no calf kicks forever. Forever.
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I don’t know when they ai with the calf kicks.
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Benson Henderson.
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Benson Henderson?
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Benson Henderson. He was the first guy I ever saw doing. He was doing a lot. And I remember pointing it out. He wasn’t doing it as effectively where he was, like, crippling guys’ movement, but he was doing it a lot. And then Ai remember when Dustin Poirier fought Jim Miller.
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Jim Miller almost took him out with calf kicks. Ai, Justin Poirier’s calf was destroyed in that fight. And then, you know, Dustin Poirier became a really good calf kicker after that. And then it became ubiquitous. Everybody has to have a calf kick.
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But it comes from Muay Sai. It comes from kickboxing. It comes from
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Ram, it sort of does. But in Muay Thai, they don’t throw it very often. It’s not a common technique in kickboxing or Muay Thai, which is interesting. It’s not as common as it is in MMA.
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Ai much. It’s like a jab, but for the legs. It’s like ai.
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It also cripples your movement, which is terrible because you can’t punch as hard because you don’t have a left leg anymore or a right leg depending on what’s forward.
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At the same time, it distracts you a lot.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? Hurts so much. Yeah. It hurts. It distracts you. You have to you you don’t only have to think about the hands. You have to think about also about the kicks.
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Well, Izzy said that when he lost to Alex Pereira, the first fight in the in the UFC, he said he wasn’t hurt that bad with the punches. He said he couldn’t move. He said his leg was so destroyed. He said my ai my left leg was so ai, I couldn’t move. And then in the second fight, when Alex when he knocked Alex out in the first round, he said, my leg was fucked already.
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He’s ai, he was getting me again. He’s so sneaky with that calf kick because he throws it he’s got that weird ai. He stands He’s and he just kinda throws it out there, and you don’t even see it coming because he’s not twisting his hips. He’s not and it’s still he hits so hard that he doesn’t have to turn his body weight into it. Man, it hurts. And he’s still fucking you up.
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And at the same time, he had that muscle memory. Mhmm. He was ai, if he starts with the calf cake Yep. I’m gonna be fucked. Yeah.
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He he said that to me. He’s like, at the end of the round, I was like, oh, this motherfucker did it again. I can’t believe he got me again. He’s like, my leg was fucked. And then he caught him with that right hand.
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What’s your all time favorite ai to watch in the UFC?
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Boy, I don’t think I have one. I don’t think I have one. It’s just Top ai. Well, you’re in there. You’re in the top five. Really? Yeah. For real.
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I’m always Joe. For real.
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Yeah. Definitely. Speak wait. How could you not be? You knocked out two hall of famers, two of the all time greats. Volkanovski and Max Holloway are all time greats. Two Two of the greatest featherweight champions. So if you’re a great featherweight champion, you’re the greatest in a division that probably has, if not the most skill.
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There’s, like, there’s an argument for the most skill. Ai think it’s forty five and fifty five. I think those are the two divisions that have the most skill.
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Yeah.
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So to be a a champion at 45 or 55, you’re a champion in the most skillful weight class. Like, look at 45. So many fucking killers at 45 now. Like, who was John Silva just did to Bryce Mitchell, and he wasn’t even ranked.
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Yeah.
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You know? I mean, this guy is a motherfucker, man. Yeah. You know? And these guys are coming up, but they’re so goddamn good. And Yair Rodriguez, you know, you got these guys shah are so skillful. You got so much time.
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Know what to tell you about Jair Rodriguez. I’m not a big fan of him.
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Meh. Here?
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Yeah. No? How come? No. No. I don’t know. I I see Ai see him. He’s the type of guy that you don’t even need to take him down. He goes to the ground by himself. I don’t know. He’s, like, very spectacular, the way he fights and the striking and the kicks he throws and all that.
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Ai I don’t know. I’m not a big fan of him. I’m fan of Walk and Max Holloway.
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Ai, you know
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they were the the smartest guy the smartest guys that I ever faced inside the Octagon. I felt that they were smart. They had that fight IQ. They they know how to fight.
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Do you think Max Holloway made a mistake in going up to 55 and then back down to 45 again? Because he got big when
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he fought. %. Yeah. I think so too. %.
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Yeah. He he looked too compromised. He looked But he didn’t look healthy at 45.
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He gets crazy for the title shot.
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Mhmm.
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He was ai, take the gold.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I understand it. I get it. I understand it. And the guy who was the 145 pound champion, he knew it’d be hard to make the way, but he felt like he could do it. But the thing is he he gained so much muscle to get to 55 to fight Gaethje, and he did it over a long period of time where he really bulked up well.
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But at the same time, I don’t know. If he wouldn’t try it, he would stay for ai, like, with the doubt that if I Yeah.
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Yeah. So another one is Pereira. Be just because what he’s done inside the octagon is so crazy. Two division world champions in a short period of time and hadn’t been fighting MMA for but three or four years.
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Crazy. It
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was crazy. Crazy. And it’s also what he does when he hits people. They ai, what he did to, well, I meh, what but it basically what it does to everybody when he connects. I mean, his his power is just different than what he did to Jamal Hill, one left hook, boom. And Jamal Hill who’s good at taking a shot, all of a sudden he’s done. You know, he’s just there’s some Yuri Prochaska, that ai.
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Like, the the second ai, it was crazy. Crazy. He just, like, he hits you one time and sai
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Otherwise, with a with a head kick. Right?
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Head kick in the second round, but dropped him with a left hook. He was basically done after the first round because it was at the buzzer. He hit him with a left hook, and then he drops, and then the bell rings. And then he knocks him out with a head kick in the second round.
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But he he’s just got this crazy style that’s different than anybody else’s ai, and he’s such a specialist, such a kickboxing specialist, two division world champion in glory, and then goes on and becomes a two division special. He is. And 37, you know. He’s older. He’s an older guy, you know, to be fighting at such an elite level. You know, Jon Jones, definitely.
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Jon Jones, one of the greatest of all time. I meh, just Jon,
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what do you think about he’s gonna come ai? He’s gonna fight Tom?
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Yes. I think he’ll fight Tom. Ai think he’ll hang out. You don’t think so? No? Really?
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I don’t think so. Okay. For what? For glory. He already has the glory.
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Yeah. One more glory before the lights fade. Yeah. Yeah. Ai think John’s a conqueror. I think he he is. Ai think he can sai back.
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He’s the best of of all time. No one can say say the the opposite of that. He he
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he’s the best. Ai. The guy developed a spinning back kick at 36. Did you have a spinning back kick his whole career? And all of a sudden, Knox Alstippe with a spinning back kick for the heavyweight title at 36, 30 seven years old. That’s crazy.
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And, they showed me a video the three days ago or four days ago. John, before the the ai with Steve, he was practicing that kick Mhmm. At the day of, of the ai.
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Yes.
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And he said something like, this is the kick. I’m gonna knock him out with this kick. And the guy showed me the video.
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That’s crazy. Well, John’s fight IQ is insane.
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Insane. Insane. Insane. Yeah. He’s a smart he’s a smart guy.
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And did a lot of his career partying, which is even crazier. Like, diminish his body, did co like, one of the things he said to Daniel Cocaine with Daniel Cormier rather, which is one of the, coldest things anybody’s ever said. He said, I beat you when I was on coke. That’s such a cold blooded thing to say. It’s so cold blooded. Crazy. It’s so cold blooded. Crazy.
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He’s so crazy.
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He was so good. But he was so good. He was better than everybody in his division, so he didn’t work hard. But then when he has to work hard, he’s fucking terrifying. Like, when he fought Alexander Gustafsson, barely trained. They said he barely trained. Barely was in the gym.
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They still were really worried about him. They were Greg Jackson said they they were even considering not letting him ai. Like, you shouldn’t be fighting. You’re not training.
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Yeah.
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And then he he guts it out in the final rounds, wins the decision, very close ai, then they have a rematch. And in the rematch Yeah. I remember. He fucking trained.
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Yeah.
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And then he just destroyed him in the rematch. The
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first fight was very competitive. Very second one. Yeah. He dominated. Not competitive at all.
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Yeah. When John is focused and John is in shape and training, he’s the greatest of all time. I think he fights Aspinall because I think it’s gonna be a lot of money. It’s it’s it’s glory and look, Aspinall is amazing. He’s unbelievable. He’s fast as fuck for a heavyweight. He’s big. He can grapple black belt in jiu jitsu. He’s got knockout power, but he’s never been in deep water ever.
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I don’t even know if he’s gone to a
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second round. I don’t wanna say that he he doesn’t have any chance because everyone has it. One punch can change everything in in in inside the octagon. Of course, we everyone think that Jon Jon is gonna gonna get it, but you can’t count count him out at at all, the Tom Espinat.
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But I don’t think that he’s gonna come back. Me, personally.
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Do you what is this here?
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One ai, Andrei Alavsky took him to the second round. That’s it.
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Oh, really? Wow. I don’t even remember that. And then he t k o’d
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him. That’s Yeah. Four years ago.
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That’s kinda crazy if you look at his career. It’s all one and two. Yeah. And then in Bama, he had a two two round fight. That’s great, but it’s also not great because he doesn’t have any deep water experience. You know, if you’re fighting a guy like imagine if he fought Stipe when Stipe was in his ai, where he fought Kane.
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You can’t have one round fights and expect to beat Cain Velasquez in a five round war because the chances are you’re not gonna catch him in the first round. And he’s gonna his cardio is just like an alien.
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Yeah. But at the same time, you don’t know how how he’s gonna look at the fourth and fifth round.
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Right.
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He might be great. Might he might be great.
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Sure. He might be great, but he doesn’t have that experience. So in his head, you’ve gotta think there’s gotta be some no matter how confident he is, there’s gotta be a couple questions.
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Yeah.
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If you’ve never been to like, John has no questions. Right? There’s no questions in John Jones’ head. He’s gone through five round wars, like the Gustafsson fight. Five round war, no training wins. He knows that he’s got what it takes. He’s got heart. It’s it’s undeniable. So there’s no questions. But with Aspinall, it’s like, yeah.
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He meh everybody out of there. He’s got the confidence that he gets everybody out of there. That’s for sure. Like, he’s got the confidence that he connects. He’s so fast and athletic for a heavyweight, and he’s a legitimate heavyweight. Like, Tom Espinal is not making two zero five. He’s big.
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He’s big.
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He’s a big fucker. He’s big.
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That’s So for him, you know, it’s But Jon Jones is special. He’s special.
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He is special.
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And he has that fight IQ. He’s not that type of guy that he walks in and you for example, I don’t know. Francis Ngannou. You know that he he got that one punch power Mhmm. But he doesn’t have the same level of fight IQ saloni Jones.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? With Jon is, like, if he feels that you are dangerous in the striking, he’s gonna grab your legs, try to meh you a little bit in the ground. Then if you go in the second round with him in the striking, you’re gonna be tired.
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He also beats the fuck out of your knees. That front leg ai to the knee, the oblique kick to the knee.
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He’s a bad guy. He wants to hurt you. You.
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He’s trying to fuck you up.
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He he doesn’t care to go with the elbow with the knee. He wants to hurt you.
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John when, you know, when he fought, Thiago, Thiago Santos, at the end of that fight, Thiago needed two knee surgeries. Both of his knees were destroyed. And he was basically never the same fighter since. Ever after that fight is
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What happened with that ai? And it was called him never ever
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We fought again after vatsal, and he left the UFC, but his his knees were never the same. He had multiple knee surgeries after that fight. Crazy. Both of his knees got kicked out. I mean, he was front leg sidekicking the shit out of his knees.
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And what about you used to train sometimes? Sure. Meh?
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Yeah.
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Jiu jitsu? What
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Mostly jiu jitsu. I did Muay Thai.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But I started in Taekwondo, and then I started
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Arya great. Jujitsu. I would love to share some training with you.
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I would love to share some training with you too. I wanna see what you do, man. I watched you, grapple with Merab. I was super impressed.
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Yeah. I
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watched the video you ram them. I’m like, anyone that could do that to M’Rab, like, holy shit. Because people think about you, they’re scared of your striking. But one of the things well, like, you open up a lot of people’s eyes in the Ryan Hall ai. Because Ryan Hall was this weird puzzle.
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He was ai this elite Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt who do a lot of strange things. Like, he would turn his back to people Crazy. And do weird things. He’ll hook BJ Penn like that in the first round,
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like With that Imanari role.
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Yeah. But when you dominated him like that, I was like, Jesus Christ. And then you put his lights out. I was like, wow. Because people think when people see a guy who could strike like you do, they kinda forget about the ground game. You know, they forget that your ground game is very elite too. You know, which is really interesting because peep you you tend to put people in categories of danger.
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But with you, it’s all danger. Like, you you’re you have a a very well balanced game, you know, which is unusual, like, Pereira, for instance, doesn’t have a balanced game. You know, his game is he’s gonna connect and you’re sana wake up, you know, that’s that’s all it is. His his game is kickboxing.
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But your game is ai, it’s everything. It’s all over the place, you know, like the Bryce Mitchell fight. It’s it’s everywhere. It’s stand up. It’s the ground. It’s comprehensive.
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It’s like George St. Pierre when he was in his prime. It was coming from all different angles. You never knew if he was gonna take you down. You didn’t know if he was gonna strike with you. It was all your mind was overwhelmed with possibilities, which is, in my opinion, what I like to watch.
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01:53:15
That’s what I like the most. A guy who can do everything. I love specialists. I love, like, Damian Ai because when Damian Ai would get you, who’d clinch you? Ai
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01:53:24
you get your back, you’re fucked.
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01:53:25
To this day, the one fight that drives me the most crazy where referee fucked it up was Kamaru Usman and Damian Maya. Because in the first round, Damian Maia had Kamaru Usman’s back standing up, had one leg laced, had his back, but it was taking too long, and the referee separated them.
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01:53:43
And I’m like, you motherfucker. He’s so close. He’s so close. Wow. This is it. Look at this shit. Like, Kamar Usman’s in deep shit here.
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01:53:54
He’s in deep shit here, and the referee fucking separated him. This is crazy. He’s doing. This this referee this drives me nuts. Go back it up a little bit.
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01:54:06
Back it up a little bit because it’s before this. It’s before this. So, like, when once he finally secures it, go a little bit before that. A little bit before. A little bit before. A little bit before.
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01:54:20
Mate, you know, do it
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01:54:21
do it right from the moment where they they clinch up. Okay. Right here. So as soon as he clinches up and he ties that leg as soon as he gets his hands together, Kamaro’s in deep shit right here. Deep shit. Kamaro has one loss on his record, and that’s by rear naked choke. And now he’s grappling with one of the best to ever do it.
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01:54:42
To this day, this fucks me up. This is one of the reasons why I hate when they separate fighters. I hate when they stand people up, and I hate when they separate fighters. This is a huge mistake here by this referee because you’ve got one of the greatest ground specialists of all time.
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01:54:58
Do do you think that he was the most dangerous guy in the in the ground?
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01:55:02
Yes. Yeah. In in his in his prime. In his prime, he he dominated people.
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01:55:07
Oh, okay.
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01:55:08
He’s just so close, man. Kamaro’s in real trouble here. The way his arm is compromised behind his back, he’s fucked here. You gotta get out of this. You can’t get separated just because the crowd’s booing, the referee’s, like, too involved. Get the fuck out of there. Get out of there and let him work.
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01:55:25
Because if he gets to the ground, tomorrow might be fucked here, and there’s two minutes to work. There’s plenty of time to this day that drives me nuts.
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01:55:34
He’s doing something very interesting there with the
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01:55:37
With the butterfly. Yes. With that left butterfly. Yeah. He’s constantly keeping you off base. And you know that if you make any mistakes here, that right hook is coming over, the arm’s coming over the top. You guys As soon as he lets go yes. So as soon as he lets go of that arm, that arm that he’s got trapped, that arm that he’s got trapped with his over with, his left arm, as soon as Kamaru is if he gets that arm over the top of the shoulder, Kamaru’s fucked, man.
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01:56:02
This is a terrible spot to be. And for the referee to separate them and not let him work, I was talking to Matt Sana about it the other day. He was like, yes. He fucked them. Yeah. He fucked them.
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01:56:12
He did.
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01:56:13
They fucked them. Then Kamara wins this fight and then, you know, ai world changes. It changes because this could have been a loss and then Kamaro could have been back to the drawing board. It’s a bad situation to be in with the ground. See, look, now he has this advantage of being able to stand up again. Like, why? Why does he have this advantage?
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01:56:32
Why why you should be back where you were. There’s no reason to separate those guys. Referee mistakes are crazy. You know, like, there’s there’s moments in fights where referees make mistakes where a a fighter’s whole career just changes, just flashes before their eyes.
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01:56:53
The other day, also something happened in the in in the paper in in the car with with Dan Eager.
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01:56:58
Yes. Yes.
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01:56:59
I don’t know why he stopped the ai. And
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01:57:00
Yes. That that was a bad decision too. That was bad as well. Same thing. Shah Woodson.
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01:57:07
Yeah. I think he would win the fight anyways, but he didn’t have to stop the fight.
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01:57:12
There was a bad stoppage. Yeah. There’s a bad stoppage. Yeah. Yeah. There’s bad stoppages, man. I mean, it happens. It happened to Jared Cannonier. Jared Cannonier had a bad stoppage. I guess, who was that against? Was
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01:57:25
it Imo Olaf? Towards Stoppage? The the Robert Lawler against Ben Askren.
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01:57:31
Oh, yeah. That was the worst. That was the worst one. That was the worst one. They thought he was out and he wasn’t out.
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01:57:35
I was so excited for that fight.
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01:57:38
And then Robbie was beating the fuck out of him too before that headlock. Yeah. That was terrible. That was a bad stoppage. Yeah. There’s been some bad stuff. But, you know, look, the referees have the second hardest job in the sport. The first hardest job in the sport yeah. Here it is.
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01:57:53
This is Jared Cannonier and Imo Vov. So he gets look at that right there. That’s crazy. That’s a crazy stoppage.
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01:57:59
He stopped the ai? What?
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01:58:00
Yes. No. Yeah. Look at this. He got hurt. He got hurt, but he’s covering up. And ai the way, Jared Cannonier can fucking take it, man. He comes back. Jared Cannonier came back against Rodriguez in his last fight. He was hurt way worse than this, and he came back to score a knockout.
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01:58:16
But that was a crazy stoppage. It just you know, like I said, referees have the second hardest job. Fighters have the first hardest job. Second hardest job is being a referee. Because those moments when you make a decision, like, you can’t take it back. The fight’s over.
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01:58:34
That’s true. It’s terrible. It’s hard to be a referee.
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01:58:37
Yeah. And then there’s the judging. Some judges. Judging.
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01:58:41
Yeah. How that’s also something that drives me crazy. It’s like
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01:58:47
How do they keep having the same bad judges come back again? That’s what’s crazy. Because the UFC has no control of the judges. The judges are all established by the athletic commission.
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01:58:57
Yeah.
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01:58:58
So sometimes you get great judging, and it’s like, oh, the judges are good tonight. These are good decisions. And sometimes you get, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. Sometimes judges are horrible.
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Horrible. Just
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to make You never
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know if they give you more points for wrestling, for striking, for defending.
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01:59:17
Right. It’s crazy. Well, some judges just aren’t qualified. Right? They don’t have a martial arts experience. They don’t they don’t have a background. You know? They just tyler how to judge. That you can’t I don’t think you can do that. It’s ai, I don’t speak Spanish. But if you taught me some Spanish and then I was judging Spanish, would Sai ai it you know what I’m saying? Like Ai. Crazy. I’m not qualified. Right?
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01:59:38
You are not.
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01:59:39
Right. So if you have a guy who doesn’t really understand who’s got the dominant position, like, maybe you see a bullshit guillotine that has no chance.
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01:59:47
It’s not like they never fought. It’s they not even never trained.
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01:59:51
Right. Exactly.
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01:59:52
Most of them.
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01:59:53
I remember early on in the UFC, one of the judges turned to one of the, people next to this person. It was a woman. She turns to this person. He goes, what is he doing?
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Norway. Yeah. Yeah. What is
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he doing? Someone was trying to get a Kimura. She’s like, what is he doing? She didn’t know what a Kimura was.
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02:00:15
So how’d they get there? They were boxing judges.
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02:00:18
So the boxing judges, they started using them for MMA fights with no martial arts experience at all. Never never stepped on the meh, never put in a mouthpiece, never got punched in the face. Thing. That’s crazy.
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That’s crazy. They don’t know how it works.
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And it’s their judging at a professional world championship level.
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At the highest level. It’s crazy. It’s crazy.
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02:00:41
I think they should have more judges.
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02:00:42
Let let me ask you something. What do you think was the decay of success of the UFC? Like, it was they know ai? It was the matchmakers. It was the fighters. It was the promotion. Ai it was?
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02:00:55
I think the big thing was the ultimate fighter. I think everybody kind of agrees with that. The ultimate fighter reality show, what what made the UFC huge was that first season of the reality show because this sai 02/2005. So reality shows were really popular back then. This is, you know, Ai and Fear Factor. There’s always reality shows and Big Brother.
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02:01:16
And so they had this reality show that people arya watching with ai, and then they have the finale. And in the finale, Forrest Griffin fights Stefan Bonner, and it’s such a crazy fight that people are just too telling their friends. The the the ratings were going up as the fight went on.
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02:01:32
And, you know, the the people that own the UFC before this, current company, they were in the hole $40,000,000. And they just kept losing money, and they said, listen. This is the last they were gonna sell the UFC at one point in time. And then they got to this point where they’re like, look.
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02:01:49
Let’s just try this one more thing. Let’s just try this one more thing. And they they did this this reality show, and the reality show worked. And then 02/2005, and then they had Chuck Liddell. And Chuck Liddell was the perfect poster boy for this new cage fighting thing, this fucking maniac with a mohawk and a tattoo on his head, and he’s just crushing everybody.
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02:02:09
You know, he was a perfect guy because the fights were so ai, and he had this insane ai. This insane almost ai Michael Chandler style, but
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but better entertaining style.
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02:02:19
Very, very entertaining. Just warrior.
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02:02:22
She was a good boxer.
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02:02:23
Good striker.
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02:02:25
Fast hands.
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Yeah. Fast hands, vicious knockout power, and he was a wrestler, but he didn’t wrestle anybody.
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02:02:30
He was a heavyweight.
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Ai heavyweight. Yeah. Big guy.
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02:02:33
Meh. He was a Light heavyweight.
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Big guy, KOs people with one punch, and, you know, it was perfect for the sport because, like, he was so sai, and he looked the part. He was like a maniac. And after we’d win, he’d go and run around the cage. It was so exciting.
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02:02:47
So exciting.
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02:02:48
He was the poster boy. He was the guy. He was the guy that put the sport on the map because people would watch him and go, jeez.
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02:02:54
Yeah. That time ai of MMA was so fun. It was fun. With Rampage Jackson also.
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02:03:00
Oh, yeah. And then when Rampage KO’d him, you know, he became the man and, you know, and then Jon Jones comes along and, you know, it’s like the sport that’s what’s crazy about Jon. Right? Jon has been dominant now for, like, what, fifteen, sixteen years?
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Yeah.
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That’s nuts, man.
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That’s why I I say he’s the best.
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02:03:18
He’s the goat. He’s
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the goat. Ai don’t know how how how they, you know, pulled him as the number one pound for pound. He’s the number one pound
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02:03:25
for pound. You know, it’s just because he doesn’t fight as often as Islam. You know? Islam’s defended his title more recently, more often against top flight competition, whereas John’s you know, John takes a year off, does a year off here, year off there. But when you look at the overall record, the overall career, he’s the greatest of all time.
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02:03:43
But when I when I talk about, like, just technique, you gotta list the other thing about Ai Mouse too, man. Mighty mouse in his prime was a bad motherfucker, man. He would do shit to guys like sai when he suplexed Ray Borg and caught him on an armbar in the middle of the air and finished him.
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02:04:01
You don’t think so?
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I see your face. I see your face.
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02:04:04
No. No. No. It’s not ai, but I don’t know. I never was a big fan of him. No? No. Never. I think for the problem When you call yourself a Mickey Mouse
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02:04:18
Mighty. Mighty Mouse.
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02:04:21
So I always thought that he was a Mickey Mouse. And I’m like, bro, how the fuck are you calling yourself a Mickey Mouse? No. He was a good fighter. He was a good fighter. He was a very technical fighter. He dominated the whole division. How many times he defend his belt? Like Many times. 14 times?
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02:04:37
Many times. 12. He fucked a lot of people up. But then there’s an issue where the quality of the competition in the 25 ai division back then was not at the level that it is now. Like, Pantosha, he’s a bad motherfucker. I would have loved to see Alexandre Pantosha versus Ai Mouse in their prime. Pantosha is a fucking animal, man.
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02:04:59
That guy’s a fucking animal.
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02:05:01
There’s a guy calling up in 01:25. He fought in the last paper in London. His last name is Kawana in the 01/25. He’s gonna be a problem in that division. He’s very skillful fighter.
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02:05:15
Well, I think like all weight classes, now you have the best fighters of all tyler. Because we see guys from the Dana White contender series now that are coming along that that enter into the UFC for their first ai. And you see these guys ai, Jesus Christ. This guy looks like he has 15 pro fights in the UFC. They look elite. You know?
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02:05:36
That that’s a cool program also, a Dana White contender series. That’s something cool because they have some story behind them before they get to the UFC. Mhmm. And that’s cool. And, actually, they make a good matchmaker matchmaking also to for that fight. I prefer I like to see sometimes they know a contender series all within some fight nights.
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02:05:58
Yeah. You get to see well, that’s where we found Sugar Sean O’Malley. You get to see ai. I prefer that to the ultimate fighter because I don’t wanna watch all their in the house bullshit and all the games that they play. I don’t care about all that. I don’t care. I just wanna see him fight.
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02:06:13
Not anymore. But before, it was very interesting.
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02:06:15
In the beginning. Yeah. In the early days. But the I mean, now they’re on, like, season two thousand, like, who far there’s been so many seasons. Like, I can’t even keep track. I forget who won. Yeah. You know, there’s so many saloni. But the my point is that the caliber of new guys when they’re just entering the ai, Mauricio Rufi, perfect example.
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02:06:35
Yeah.
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02:06:36
You see this ai, first fight in Ai.
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02:06:38
Lightweight. Right?
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02:06:39
Yeah. He’s fucking huge. You you see this guy first fight in the UFC, ai, woah. This guy is elite already. You know, same thing with John Silva, elite already. Ai, these guys, they’re entering into the sport at a very Carlos Protes, same thing. Like, right away, like, you’re seeing, like, a very high level right away.
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02:06:58
And, I just think that because there’s so many guys like you to watch, there’s so many guys like, you know, Khamzat and all these people, you get to see elite talent. So these young fighters that are coming up, they have a higher level to four. They arya yeah. A higher level to aspire to. That’s true.
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02:07:20
Now, like, the the sport is growing. The the talents are better than before. Yeah. Because the the sport has developed so much. Right now, you have so much experience. You can learn so much about the game, like, even in YouTube. You go on YouTube, you can learn everything by yourself.
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02:07:37
I think in the future, guys like you will be everywhere. There will be only guys like you at world championship level. I don’t think there’ll be any specialists anymore. I think there’ll be guys who are elite everywhere. Everywhere.
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02:07:50
This is what I what what Ai was saying, like, all the time. Now it’s time for the new generation. What’s the new generation that if you wanna wanna be the best, you have to be the best in everywhere the the fight, the fight takes the place. In the ground, in the wrestling, in the striking, you have to be good everywhere because that’s how how the sport is developing right now.
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02:08:12
Because before before you were good only, in wrestling, you would take people down, and not a problem. You you you could become a world champion. But right now, so tough, so tough. The competition all the time is higher and higher and higher, and there’s more knowledge in the in in the sport.
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02:08:33
Yeah. There really is. It’s, it’s very inspiring, and it’s very interesting because there’s no other sport where you could go back and look at it from 1993 to 2025, and it’s almost like a completely different sport. The the athletes are so much better than they were. I mean, even from, like, February.
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02:08:52
Go back to February and watch the sport and then watch it today, at least in the UFC.
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02:08:57
It changed a lot a lot a lot. Everything. Everything. Everything. The production. Oh, yeah.
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02:09:02
Everything. Everything. Changed everything. I mean, it’s, it’s so it’s so interesting because it’s the one sport also that translates it it translates to all languages. Like, everybody understands it.
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02:09:16
But UK is so special that because you saw the sport growing since since nothing, and you saw so many great fights in front of you. Yeah.
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02:09:26
I’m very lucky, man.
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02:09:27
Yeah. That’s
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02:09:27
I feel very fortunate.
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02:09:28
What about what about you? Like, do you have a plan where you wanna retire, or you are just enjoying and you love what you’re doing? Because I I I think that it’s a I don’t know. You are enjoying a lot.
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02:09:39
Yeah. I just enjoy it. I don’t think about retiring. No. No. If Dana White quits, I might quit, but that’s it. Yeah? Yeah. It’s actually my contract. No. Yeah. If he leaves, I leave. Yeah. So in my contract, if he leaves, I don’t have to stay.
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02:09:55
Why that? Something personal?
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02:09:57
I wouldn’t be doing it if it wasn’t for him. Yeah? Yeah. He’s my friend. He talked me into doing it. I mean, I started working for the UFC before him. I started working for the UFC in 1997 Okay. When there was nothing. The nobody was watching. It was we did it at a a a small, like, a high school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama.
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02:10:15
You had to take a propeller plane to get there, like, Ai ass planes. And, that was the first time Vitor fought.
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02:10:24
Okay.
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02:10:25
I was actually training at the same gym as Vitor when Vitor made his debut. Vitor was 19 years old. And, we were at Carlson Gracie’s.
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02:10:32
Very young. Yeah.
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02:10:33
Yeah. We were at Carlson Gracie’s gym in Hollywood Hollywood, California. That’s where I was training. I just dumb luck. I was a white belt. I just started.
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02:10:40
So you how how old you were when you started, like, training or you had some relationship with the sport?
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02:10:46
Well, jujitsu. Well, martial arts, I started when I was 15. Well, I started when I was 14, but really seriously when I was 15. And then I competed in Taekwondo from 15 to 21, and then I kickboxed until I was 22. And then I was doing comedy at the same time, and then I realized, like, I I was half and
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02:11:03
half. Crazy about you is ai I hear you explaining some positions, I’m like, this guy has to know how to ai, how to do it because the way he has to explain it, I couldn’t be able to to explain it. And I’m a kid’s a world champion. I know the game, but you explained, like, way better than anyone else.
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02:11:22
I I think that you put 10 world champions together, you’re still explain ai better than all of us.
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02:11:29
Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. Well, I learned how to explain it because I learned how to teach people that didn’t know what was happening once it went to the ground. Right? Because in the beginning, nobody understood the ground game.
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02:11:40
Exactly.
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02:11:41
You know, and I’m a black belt in jiu jitsu, so when it goes to the ground, I under I I can explain what’s happening. Very specific.
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02:11:47
Yeah. Very specific.
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02:11:48
Well, you have to be specific because peep some people don’t know. Like, sometimes I’ll be watching with my wife at home. Like, we watch a fight that I’m not calling, and she’s like, what’s going on? And Ai be like, his right arm is in trouble right now. Like, see see what see where his elbow is? Now if he can get his elbow past this point, he’s fucked. I’m like, okay. Now he’s fucked.
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02:12:05
And then I would I would I would explain it, and I would I would say, now what he’s gonna do is he’s gonna take his right ai. He’s gonna wrap it over the top. Oh, he’s got it. Oh, he’s got it. Okay. He’s gonna cinch the left leg over the top. That’s it. That’s it.
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02:12:15
You’re the best.
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02:12:16
Yeah. But that’s it’s just I it’s you can’t
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02:12:19
You love it.
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02:12:20
Passion. Yeah. Either you love it or you don’t love it.
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02:12:22
Yeah.
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02:12:23
And if you don’t love it, you can’t pretend it won’t work. No one’s sana believe you. Like, if you’re just a regular sports guy, say, like, you call hockey and they hire you, you’re gonna learn about MMA and you’re gonna call MMA. Come on.
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02:12:37
Come on.
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02:12:37
Yeah. There’s no you’re not gonna be able to do it right.
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02:12:39
Of course.
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02:12:39
Because you gotta do it like you like if I was calling hockey, I’m like, ai. This fucking puck went in the net. Woo. I don’t give a shit.
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02:12:45
I don’t
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02:12:46
give a shit if the puck goes in the net. It doesn’t mean anything to me. Yeah. But when someone gets your fucking neck
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02:12:50
Yeah.
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02:12:51
You can chip and you can see the ai, you gotta tap his tap it. That that to me is life. That’s everything. That is ai it’s not just winning. You’re not just winning. You’re you killed that guy.
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02:13:02
We can sai that. I promise you. We can see your passion Yeah. Every time. Like, even right now, I’m here. I feel your passion.
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02:13:09
It’s not like
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02:13:09
I sai it. I feel your your your passion. Like, you’re passionate about what you think, and that’s something that I I admire people like you.
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02:13:17
Well, I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t feel that way. I don’t have to do it. I don’t do it for money. I just do it I mean, there’s only person I work for is the UFC. Everything else I do for myself. Everything Ai work for myself.
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02:13:28
Yeah.
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02:13:28
I’m self employed except for the UFC. But I’ve been working for them for twenty fucking three years. Yeah. Twenty three years.
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02:13:36
Twenty three years.
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02:13:37
Yeah. And then before that, I did it two years before that. So it’s twenty five years total.
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02:13:42
And and when was the the moment maybe I’m going, like, too deep, but I I I wanted to ask you this. Like, when was the moment when you feel ai I’m succeed in life? I feel that’s I’m I’m having success. And what’s for you actually success? Like, how do you describe it?
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02:14:00
Well, I guess the moment was when I didn’t worry about success anymore. I don’t think about success. I think about what do I enjoy doing, and am I doing it the best that I can do it. Mhmm. That’s what I think about. I don’t think, oh, I’m gonna make more money. Oh, I’m gonna do this, and ai I wanna do I want this goal and that goal.
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02:14:18
I’m a process oriented person. I think about the process of what I’m doing, and then the results come. So I think, like, what am I doing? Am I doing it the best that I can do it? And if I’m not, I better.
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02:14:31
I better either quit if I don’t wanna do it anymore, if I like, ai is why I stopped fighting. I was there was no money in fighting when I was fighting. There was no money. There was no UFC, and I was just getting brain damage for no reason. And it was really
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I was
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I was sparring and having fucking headaches every night. I was like, what am I doing with my life? And then I would also meet guys in the gym that were punch drunk, and they those guys scared the shit out of me. Because back then, everybody was stupid too. And, like, in, you know, this is 1989. Everybody was stupid. They just beat the fuck out of each other.
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They didn’t there was no, like, sparring, you know, like, technical sparring. It was just wars.
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It was just
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ai, always fights.
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Got you.
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And there was no future. And I
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Still like that in in some gyms.
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Yeah. A lot of gyms.
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A lot
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of gyms. You know, some gyms are intelligent, but it has a lot of gyms that are stupid.
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I I I don’t use to spar at all. Really? Yeah. I don’t spar. Only in training camps.
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But I see you spar in training ram. So it’s only in training camps.
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Only in training camps.
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So when you’re not in camp, what do you do?
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I do, like, as I told you, ai maybe in boxing, but before, I used to go, like, more crazy than now. Before because before Ai had, like, more ego. I had I I wanted to prove ai. Like, I can knock you out. I can submit you.
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02:15:47
Right. I
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can do this. And, like, once, like, you you you you win in ai, you’re growing as a person. You’re like, I don’t need to prove anything here in in the gym. I know what I’m able to do, and the competition is the day when I have to fight. The the fight, that’s the day when I’m when I’m get paid, and and that’s it.
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I’m not gonna gonna damage anyone no more because sometimes you knock people out, and then you go back home and you feel bad. You you you’re ai, I could not doing it. Right. And he’s suffering right now. I sana so much people to the hospital, so much people to the hospital.
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So much people to the hospital. I’m sure. I’ve seen a few videos. Opened. Ai opened. Yeah. So much damage that right now, I’m like, no. No. No.
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Sometimes people comes to me ai, let’s spar. I’m like, I recommend you to know.
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I recommend you to not. Yeah. That’s good advice. Yeah. It’s interesting. Right? It’s like the your ego can help you because your ego is what makes you sana be great, but at a certain point in ai, you gotta put a leash on it. Yeah. You gotta say not not right now, motherfucker.
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Not right now.
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I’ll let you go. When I say sick them, then I’m gonna let you off that leash. But not right now. And ai that’s Marcelo Garcia always used to say that about jiu jitsu, that you have to open up your game in the gym and don’t be afraid about being tapped. He goes, you gotta be open.
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You gotta take chances in the gym and learn, and put yourself in bad positions on purpose, and and you might lose training sessions, but that’s not what’s important. What’s important is growing.
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I see a lot of guys struggling with that. Like, they don’t wanna lose and train. Right. And I’m like
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Well, a lot of guys never develop a guard because they never wanna be on their back. There’s a lot of guys like that. They have no fucking guard. No. Like, which is crazy. It’s crazy. There’s black belts out there that they get them on their back, they look like a turtle.
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Because they don’t wanna lose. Exactly. They don’t they don’t know how to have to lose. Like, if you top out, no problem. You get better.
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Like Yes.
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How Ai don’t put myself in this position.
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02:17:56
But that’s the fascinating dance of the mind that allows someone to become a champion versus someone to become just a good fighter. Like, whether you can figure that out, like, when to put your ego on a leash and when to be able to look at yourself objectively. Like, what you’re doing with separating all of your disciplines, I ai, is very important.
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02:18:18
I think that’s vatsal very interesting way that you put it because I think it’s a very intelligent way to approach it. Like, get very good at your boxing. Get very good at your Muay Thai. Get very good at your Jiu Jitsu, but do it do it separately.
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02:18:30
Ai like every week, every Sunday, I sit down and I do my schedule by myself. Like, I’m I’m on Monday, I’m gonna do boxing a day from this hour to this, then I’m gonna do afternoon
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And how do you decide what you’re gonna do in
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the of how I feel. What I wanna what I wanna do.
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What you wanna work on.
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What I and and what I wanna work on. And what I feel like I have to develop something, what I wanna do, what’s what do I feel in reality? It’s not ai all the time, I’m gonna do this because I have to do it. No. I don’t have to do anything. I choose to do it because I enjoy it. Every time I go to training, I enjoy it. I don’t do it because I feel forced.
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Sometimes in training camp, yes, I feel forced because I feel tired. I don’t have food in my body. I don’t have any energy, and I have to do it because I’m forced. But outside the training camp, I enjoy it. Even if Ai retire tomorrow, I would keep training like that because that’s something that I enjoy. And you said something very interesting before that.
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Like, right now, I’m in in in the moment of my life where everything I do, I do it because I enjoy it. I don’t do anything be to make anyone’s anyone happy. I don’t live a life dreaming to have another one. I just enjoy the moment I’m living right now.
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That’s so important. That is so important. It’s so important to to be satisfied with your life. Sai important to just just live in the moment. It’s so hard for people to do. It’s so hard for people to do, especially if you fucked off too many times. You just, like, made too many mistakes and slacked off and lazy and This is
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the best moment we have right now.
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Right now. This is it.
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The best moment.
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Yeah. This is
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who we are.
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Yeah. It is. It is.
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No one knows what’s gonna happen tomorrow. So
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And you know what’s really important? Hearing a guy like you say this. Hearing a guy like you say this to to young people out there that are listening. They’re just not sure, like, how to approach ai. Because the way you think about life and the way you decide to approach life can change your the whole direction of your future.
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%.
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Hundred %. And so a young guy is probably listening. Guaranteed there are people, not just one, many young people are listening to you talk right now.
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I’m sure there’s meh people come to you. Like, Joe, tell me the secret. Yeah. There are no secret. There’s no bottom for the elevator. Exactly. Everything in ai, you get step by step. The slowest, the fastest way to get where you want to be.
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I was talking to David Goggins about that. You know who David Goggins is?
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Yeah. Of
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course. Fucking maniac. David Goggins said, there’s no finish line. He’s like, it never ends. Like, it never ends. Ai ends. You never make it. You ever feel like you make it? I’m like, you never make it. There’s no making it. It’s bullshit. One day you Of course.
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You don’t think about it anymore ai you just every day you’re just trying to get better. Of course. And if you don’t feel like that, it’s not fun. If you’re not really trying to do something difficult and aspire to greatness and just trying to do your best all the time, you don’t have satisfaction in your life.
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%. With everything.
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Some people thinks that that, like, you accomplished something and that’s gonna make you happy. That’s bullshit.
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Well, you know, I think also there’s the poison of social media because social media poisons people to think that one day I’m gonna make it. I’m gonna be ai Sana McGregor driving my yacht around. Like, those videos are so bad for you.
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Those videos of people ai, look at meh. Look at my watch. Look at my diamonds. Look at this. Look at my house.
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Look at this.
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Look at these girls. Don’t you wish you were me?
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Percent. Everyone is showing you the best part of their life. Yeah. No one is gonna show you how they are struggling, the problems they are facing in the in a daily basis. I mean, like, no one’s gonna show you that. No one’s gonna show you, look. I have a pimple here in my face. No. I’m gonna use a filter to Yeah. Hide that.
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02:22:35
Yeah. It’s it’s not good it’s not good for young people. That’s for sure. Because they aspire to all the wrong things. Yes. Young people today, what do they want? Most of them just sana be famous.
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They want to be famous, and they think that money makes them rich. And your skills make you rich, not the money. If you don’t have the skills and you don’t have the mindset, you’re gonna keep poor all the time.
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Not only that, you’re not gonna have the satisfaction of knowing you got really good at something.
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No
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one. There’s something about getting really good at something that gives you a deep satisfaction that’s not available anywhere else. If you just win the lottery, those are the most depressed people in the world. They all go broke. They win the lottery, and then everybody wants money from them, and then they feel empty and hollow, and they don’t know what to do with themselves, and now they don’t have any goals because they have a hundred million dollars in the bank.
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They don’t
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know what the fuck to do.
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Yeah. But in reality, they don’t have any ability. They don’t have Right. Nothing to enjoy with you.
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I say that success comes from not worrying about money. Success doesn’t come from making a lot of money. Success comes from now I have to think about that. Money is not the thing. Now I think about what am I doing? What am I doing? I wanna be the best parent I can be. I wanna be the best friend that I could be. I wanna be everything I do, I wanna do it to the best of my abilities.
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I’m becoming the best person you could be.
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Yeah. The best person you could be. That’s When I was a kid, my martial arts instructor told me this that I’ll never forget, and I say it all the ai. Martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential. Through that struggle, through that difficult thing, you will learn how to be better at everything.
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%.
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Hundred %. That’s that’s what I think life is about. And that’s why martial arts are so exciting to me. You know, people think, oh, you like violence, like this, ai, that’s not it. Like, that’s why I don’t like slap fighting. Ai think it’s stupid. You stand in front of each other, smack each other in the head.
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I wanna see a guy enter into a cage fully prepared with skills against another guy fully prepared with skills. I always describe martial arts, mixed martial arts in particular as ai level problem solving with dire physical consequences. That’s what it is. It’s problem solving with dire physical consequences.
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That’s so cool.
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Yeah. That’s what it is.
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People, most of them, they didn’t understand what’s behind a fighting game. It’s not ai only violence. You have to prepare yourself. You have to be smart. You have to be you have to work smart smarter than the the other guy you you you’re gonna face. There’s so much factors that it’s gonna play out that that they sai much sacrifices that someone has to make before getting in in ai that octagon.
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It’s not only fighting. It’s more than that. I don’t know. I don’t it’s I love that. Yeah.
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Most of the people before, they used to see fighting as something very violent in in Spain. They hate it. Right now, it’s becoming bigger and bigger and bigger, and they’re starting to love that. And I and I saw that since the day I started because I used to say to the people, like, ten years ago in Spain, what you doing? I’m fighting.
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Don’t do that. Start learning something. Start start studying. I’m like, I’m studying. Everyone choose a a a career in his life. Someone wants to be a doctor.
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Someone wants to be a constructor. If someone wants to be this or that, I wanna be a fighter. Yeah. And I have to learn to be a
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fighter also. But by your example, by being a true champion and by living the way you live and by performing the way you perform, you will change people’s opinions. And they will see it and they will say, oh, this is different. This is not what I thought it was. This is something special. I hope so.
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For sure, brother. For sure.
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Meh. It’s
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in the cards. Well, listen, my friend. Thank you very much for being here. I appreciate you very much. I’m a big fan, and I can’t wait to see you inside ai the octagon again, and, all the best.
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Joe, thank you very much, bro. It shah been a big pleasure for me to be here.
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Thanks very much. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.
