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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Fuck it. Yeah. That’s a good one.
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Ai? Right? I told my wife the other day. I said, if I live to 85, I’m a go to Long John Silver’s every day for lunch. I’m just gonna eat shit that like, every thing that I dream of right now that I can’t eat, I’m I’m sana eat all of it. I’m gonna drink whiskey all day long and just eat everything I want.
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Yeah. Fuck it. You’re at the end of the ride. Yeah. Unless that’s the problem. It’s ai on your deathbed, they come up with some new shit that fixes everything.
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Oh, I know. Right? Yeah. That’ll be my luck.
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New stem cell stuff that regenerates every cell in your body to a 25 year old. Like, oh. Exactly. I know. That’d be a real problem. Like, a seven year old brain and a 25 year old body. Like, you would have a lot of knowledge. For sure. A giant advantage.
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Oh, yeah. I fantasize about stuff like that.
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I I
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Ai fantasize about being able to like like Sai imagine, you know, like my version of heaven, it would be ai, if I could go back to when I’m 12 years old, live through junior high and high school again
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Oh, you’d be the king.
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And have the knowledge I have now and just I would know exactly how to navigate everything. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. It’s but that’s the fun of growing up and the the not so fun of growing up.
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Sure. Because you
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don’t know what the fuck is going on and you’re so confused. And then you get older, you go, man, if I could just go back. I know. I’d fucking kill it.
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I think about it all the time.
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You know, your lovely coma host, costar rather, Demi Moore, that movie that she did, The Substance
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Right.
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Is fucking crazy. That’s a great piece on this whole, like, fear of aging thing.
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Right.
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That movie is wild.
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Oh, yeah.
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It’s so crazy. But it’s ai, you don’t know how many women would agree to that deal
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Mhmm.
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If it was a real that’s it. It was realistic enough where you’re watching, like, I know a lot of ladies who would agree to that.
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Right. Right.
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I know a lot of ladies.
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Have you seen that South Park episode where they it was it was about that that type of thing, but it was about how they have all these apps that you can make yourself look better in. You know, I mean, it’s ai filters that make you look younger and all this kind of stuff. And they had this episode about that where, like, all these girls who aren’t ai the hot girls, but their Instagram stuff, they are.
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And they actually start to think, and so all the guys start going for these girls even though when they’re in front of them, they’re not like that. But that’s what they look like on there. And, yeah, it’s pretty crazy.
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It’s probably accurate too. As as long as a couple people start doing it Right. Couple of guys start going for those girls, then everybody else will as well. Yeah. Which is most of our world. Yeah. Most of our world is some fucking idiot decides bell bottoms look good. And then we’re all ai, shit.
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I gotta get I gotta get bell bottoms. I wanna get laid. I wanna be cool.
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I had bell bottoms when I you know, because I was playing in bands and stuff, so whatever was trendy. You know, we wore that stuff. I can remember those bell bottoms that were so big you couldn’t see your shoes. It just looked like a pair of jeans walking down the street. It was so dumb looking. Yeah.
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It’s a crazy thing that lasted for a little ai. Look at, like, regular jeans. Somebody invented that shit in, like, the eighteen hundreds. Yeah. And everybody’s like, yeah. You nailed it. Yeah. And it’s like a Jeep. A Jeep still looks like a Jeep. They made a Jeep in, like, the nineteen fifties. Right.
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They had Jeep in 2026. You you could see the difference. It’s ai Exactly. It’s a little bit more advanced, but that’s a Jeep. Yeah. Jeans, they nailed it.
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And it’s bell bottoms are like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not what the fuck were we doing? Right?
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Oh, I mean, I had shirts with, like, bell sleeves with, like, pictures of sailboats and stuff on it. It’s like, are you kidding me? I mean, you know, it was ai lime green and orange and shit like that.
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Remember the Elvis style collars?
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Oh, for sure. Yeah.
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Like, what happened?
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I know.
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I have a theory. Because all that stuff happened after they passed the sweeping Ai Schedule one Act in 1970. Right. And I think they cut everybody off from mushrooms and acid and anything that makes you think, And then they arya giving them coke. And no one knew what to do. And they were all just ai and it was disco and the music kinda sucked and everybody got real weird.
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Wow. It’s
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I think that’s what happened.
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Yeah. I I don’t doubt that at all.
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So that’s when the clothes get really fucked up. Yeah. It is. It’s just the same exact ai. Because before, like, there was like a hippie style, you know, like, Hendrix and, you know, a lot Clapton, a lot of ai. It was, like, a flowy hippie, but it looked good. It was kinda cool. Sure. But something happened in the seventies. We just lost all perspective.
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Oh, I know. I mean, when you look at some of the ’70 like, especially, like, sort of late seventies, you know, disco era and stuff like ai. And you look back at some of these TV shows they had, and you see a lot of these bands and stuff on there. And it’s like, who thought that looked good? I mean, who said who said this is the thing now? It looked like shit. I mean, horrible, horrible stuff.
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Ai? I talk about this all the time, but it’s the cars too, man. I I love nineteen sixties muscle cars, but I check out around 71, and I only allow a ’71 Barracuda and a Challenger in that group. Everything else after 71 is useless
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to me. Oh, yeah.
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Except Corvette. Corvette still stayed cool looking.
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Oh, yeah.
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They stayed cool looking deep into the eighties.
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Yeah. That’s that’s true. Yeah. I’m a I’m a muscle car guy. I’ve got a ’67 Chevelle three ninety ‘6.
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Oh, nice.
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And, muscle cars are my thing.
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I have a ’70.
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Oh, do
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you really? Yeah.
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I would like to get a ’64 GTO, the first year they’re made. That’s what I’m looking for. But to get one that’s perfect, it it they’re pretty ai.
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They’re very pricey. And I
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grew up poor, so I don’t like to buy stuff for myself. I buy my kids stuff all the ai, and, I don’t mind how much money I spend on my family. But for me, I just I don’t spend money on ai.
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So Old habits die hard?
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Yeah. They really do. Meh.
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When I was a kid, my sister’s boyfriend’s brother, the older brother was the cool guy in the neighborhood. He had a 65 GTO convertible.
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Oh, yeah.
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And he would I used I worked at a gas station and he would drive by the gas station. We’d all go like this, like, oh.
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Oh, yeah.
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Can’t believe he owns that. That’s really his car? It was he was the coolest guy in the world.
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Oh, yeah. We had those Terry Meh. Yeah. Oh, that
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was there
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was a guy named Mike Page in our town. He was, older than my group. You know, he when we were seniors, he was probably already 25, 26, something like that. And you never because, you know, cruising was a thing, and you’d cruise through Sana or whatever Yeah. It was, you know, and see who was there and all that crap.
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And everybody parks on the bank parking lot, and you drink beer and then the cops would come by and you hide all your shit. You know? And, I mean, it was literally like, you know, the American Graffiti days. You know? And, so this guy, Mike, he had a 65 candy apple red vette, and he had a Ai.
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Remember Chuck Negron, singer in the three dog ai, the one with the Mustang? Yes. He looked like Chuck Negron. So we would see him pass ai, and he was like Harrison Ford was in, American Graffiti. It’s like you never he he would just you just see him in his car. You know? And, so he was it was like seeing Elvis Presley go by.
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Everybody go ai, wow. And, that’s actually how the box master’s name came about.
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Really?
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Yeah. Yeah. How? Well, in the South in those days, there was a, there are two stories how the box master’s name came about. There’s a there’s a politically correct one, and there’s the one that’s not. And the one that’s not is, if somebody was a playboy type, you know, he was called a box master.
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And sai and we had a
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I would have never guessed that. Yeah. That’s hilarious.
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And in the old days, people would say, oh, look. There goes the Boxmaster when Mike would pass by because he just knew. But you only saw him driving his Corvette up and down cruising. You never saw him, you know, actually doing stuff, and you never got out and ai beer with us or anything.
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He was just making an appearance.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Just letting everybody know. Look at this. Second generation Corvette.
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Yeah.
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’65. I have a ’65 convertible.
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Oh, yeah?
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Oh, yeah. I love them.
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Awesome cars. I mean, yeah, muscle cars are the thing to me. Do you remember, there there are two, sort of car ai that confused me. I mean, first of all, how can a Mustang ever not be cool? But remember in the late seventies, early eighties, they were
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they it it may as well
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have been a Ford Fiesta. I mean, it was garbage. What was that?
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It was the gas guzzler ai the gas prices ai.
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Oh, okay.
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That’s what it was. So they had to make all these cars gas efficient. So they got rid of v eights. They started having these, like, very, economical on sai, v sixes, and, like, really shitty engines, and they made the cars plastic and lighter and
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Oh, yeah.
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And cheaper. And, yeah, they fucked everything up. They fucked everything up. Like, the fact whoever imagine working at Ford ai. Yeah. You got the Meh one, which is, like, you just look at that and you go, god damn. Every time you sit to this day, I see
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one of
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those on arya. Ai just nailed it. Yeah. Like, you just stare at that car. Just walk around it for hours just looking at it.
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Yeah. And
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then ten years later, they got something that you would never wanna own.
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No. And this
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is a
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100 of
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shit. This is a fucking box. This is a it’s like a literally, like, a a box that a washing machine comes in.
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Oh, yeah.
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It’s garbage.
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People didn’t even wanna steal them.
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Yeah. Crazy. Imagine being the CEO of that company and go, what did we do? What the fuck happened? We had it. We had magic.
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Ai.
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Like, legit magic.
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Remember the Tornado and the Riviera?
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Oh, yeah. Oh ai god.
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I mean, you’re talking about different looking.
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Yeah. And But they’re cool.
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They’re they’re very cool.
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Very cool.
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Ai weird and huge. And huge. Yeah. And, the opposite end of the spectrum was AMC. What were they thinking?
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They were weird. That was a weird car to own. Weird.
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All of those. Yeah. They had one that looked kinda okay, but but, you know, they had the Pacer and the, what was what was another weird looking the Gremlin. Yeah. The Gremlin. Those are almost ai things. I mean, it was like, what in the
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hell is this? That was a strange company.
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Yeah. It was.
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It was almost like a fake company. Yeah. Like, it didn’t make any sense.
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It didn’t make any sense at all.
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It was like an Australian remember, like, Mad Max? He drove that Australian muscle car. I remember watching him go, what the fuck is that thing? Yeah. It was an Australian muscle car. I don’t know what it was. Yeah. Still to this day, I don’t know what it was. But that’s ai what in what those AMCs were. Oh, really? Weird looking.
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Oh, yeah. Just off. Yeah. Strange. Strange looking. From
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a different ai or something. Like
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Yeah. There was a movie called, it had, Raquel Welch was in it and Donald Pleasants and all these people called, Fantastic Voyage where some politician, or scientist or something, He’d, he’d I guess it was an assassination attempt, but it was there was a brain thing. So they shrink all these scientists down on a little, you know, glass thing, whatever those things are called for chemistry or whatever.
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They shrink the cats down and their little submarine thing. Oh, I remember that. And they shoot them into the guy and the yeah. That that. Well, see, that’s a pacer. You know? Right.
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I just want to
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I go, it’s a damn pacer.
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That’s hilarious.
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Yeah. And so they go through the ai, all through his veins and arteries and stuff and get to the place where they need to fix it and all this kind of stuff, but antibodies kept attacking him and all this kind of stuff. It was weird. I saw it in the theater, and, I was pretty impressed, actually.
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I remember that movie. That’s hilarious. That’s hilarious. Yeah. Shrinking people to what’s wild is how many ideas were burned up in movies by the time like the nineties rolled around. If you just stop and think about the fact that movies really were only, like, what movies Ai think are the absolute best mirror into the culture.
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It’s like a time machine. Like, you could read a history book and you can kinda get a rough understanding of how people behaved back then. Yeah. But you still think of them in a current context. You think of them ai today. Right.
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But you watch a film, you know, watch a ai a James Cagney film and you’re ai, woah, meh. This is a different world. Yeah. Nobody knew shit. Right.
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Nobody had any idea what was going on in the world. You got all your news for the newspaper. So these dudes who own the newspapers essentially control the narrative for the entire world.
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Absolutely.
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And it’s and it’s people behave strange. Yeah. Open domestic violence. Domestic violence is normal. Yeah. Like, shut up.
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Oh, yeah.
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Shah would kiss them and, like, it was crazy. Alright. Nuts.
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Well, my my wife who was raised in the Bay Area, you know, around San Francisco, Marin County there, when I first told her what my dad did to me, she was like, oh meh god. That’s like and honestly, that’s what everybody’s dad did. It was ai, you know, if he was working graveyard shift and you started making a bunch of damn noise at noon, you got your ass beat with a belt.
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And she was just she couldn’t believe it. I said, oh, no. It was ai every day almost. You know? And, you know, not that it was good, but it was just part of our life. We didn’t know any better. We really didn’t.
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No. No one knew any better, and we’re only figuring it out now. Yeah. It’s like like canceling people retroactively for stuff they did in the eighties. Like, okay. That’s a different world. You weren’t even alive then. That’s a different world. Yeah. When people came, like, you gotta realize, like, your parents, like, think about it this sai.
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People were coming over on a boat from other countries with no knowledge of what was over here. They just got tyler, oh, there’s jobs in Meh, you know, and you got on a boat from fucking Europe. Like meh grandparents came over here in the nineteen twenties. Ai, they had no idea. They come over here and there’s a bunch of people that also did the same thing and every they’re basically just savages.
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They’re basically ai one one or two steps above, like, absolute savages. You know, they’re they’re savages with metal. You know, they’ve got metal and rubber.
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Alright.
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And, you know, and they’re raising kids. And, of course, they’re gonna raise kids in a rough way because the world is rough. Yeah. It’s ai everybody got beat up. It was normal. Like, bullying was not there was no anti bullying campaigns.
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God, no.
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You just had to fight for yourself. Like, that’s just how it is. This is ai. This prepares you for life. It sucks, but this is life.
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Absolutely. We have guys in our town that you just stayed away from. Yeah. I mean, guys who were, you know, relatively the same age. And I lucked out because I, you know, I was a skinny, long haired, little hippie and playing in bands and stuff. And and for some reason, I always liked hanging out with, you know, the guys who are a few years older than me. They had more fun than we did.
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And sai, I remember the first time I ever well, the first time I ever had a drink of beer, my uncle Don, he drank Schlitz. And this is back when you had to have a church key and you open both sides of
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the beer. Wow.
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And he would pour it in a, in our glasses. You know, like I said, we’re pretty poor. We all lived at my grandmother’s house. And it was the jelly jars. When you finished the jelly, that became the glasses we drank out of it. He would have a jelly jar glass of beer and it just looked like apple juice to me. And, I would always ask him, you know, I’m six years old.
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I’d say, hey. Can I can I have some of that?
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And he goes, you don’t need any
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of this. Well, finally one day, he goes, yeah. Here. Have a drink. Tastes like apple juice. And Ai like, oh, god almighty. And, but the first time I got drunk in my life was on, Boone’s Farm ai, apple wine. And these two guys, Gary and Eddie were their names, and they were just trouble. And Gary had a a ’64 GTO. That’s probably where I got that thing from.
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But, I mean, we rolled it one ai. No seat belts. I mean, we never even thought about a seat belt. And, so, they took me to the Dairy Queen and, we were gonna, you know, get a hamburger or whatever it was. Well, they ended up, like, hanging me out the window just puking all over the Dairy Queen parking lot, you know, because I ai an entire bottle of this.
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I’ve never been drunk in my life. I was 12, 13. And, so these guys, I just I was fascinated by them. They were all James Dean and Elvis Presley to me. Right? And, there were a few guys in town that everybody knew not to mess with at all.
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It’s like they will literally pull your eyeballs out of the sockets. They kind of consider me a mascot, and they all protected me. So the other guys who were, you know, pricks or whatever, you know, if one of them messed with me, there was a guy named Calvin, a guy named Billy Bob, actually, who was probably ten years older than me, and, a guy named Harry and, who whose family came over from somewhere.
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They were, like, you know, from the Czech Republic or somewhere, but they they grew up they grew up here, you know, so they didn’t sound like they were from someplace else. Harry was about five sai and stocky, you know. And, there was this dude who who was just mean to everybody. Excuse me.
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But, somewhere in between our age, you know, when we’re teenagers, 17, 18, And Harry and Billy Bob and, Calvin and those guys, they were like 30. And there are these other guys who were the mean guys in town who were in between those ages, And they were the real problem because they were just assholes.
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They weren’t the other guys were cool as long as you didn’t mess with them. One night, this guy, two of them were both names, Speak, who were the real pricks. And, one of the Steves, got me by my hair and dragged me around, beat me up a little bit, you know, and I was a fighter.
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You know, I wasn’t bad. You know, I’ve I’ve fought a lot of guys. I quit fighting meh early twenties, but back then, you know, it was just a way of life. And, this cat roughed me up a lot bigger than meh, and Harry found out about it. We had a bonfire party out of the guy’s trailer home that ai.
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And so this cat that had beat me up showed up and Harry had heard about it, and Harry is you know, I’m like Harry’s little mascot guy. Right? So the guy gets out of his car and comes over there. Now we got a big bonfire going on. Right? The guy comes over.
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Harry didn’t say a word to him. He walked up to him. This ai like a foot taller than Harry. Harry got him reached up, got him by the hair, hit him one time, broke his jaw, and threw him in the bonfire. Woah.
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And a bunch of people had to put him out. I mean, this was just like a Friday night in Arkansas.
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Especially back then.
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Yeah.
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You know, Malcolm McDowell, he wrote a book about, like, where he was talking about why certain populations, like certain parts of the world are rougher. Mhmm. And he was talking about certain parts of America where they were settled initially by, people that came ram, a herding community.
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Mhmm.
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Like in so they were, like, sheep herders in other countries. Right. And they when they came over to Meh, when you when you have a a flock of sheep, someone could steal all your food in the middle of the night. They can just take all your sheep. If you’re growing corn, you know, it’s hard to pick all that fucking corn.
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You gotta throw it in a truck, drag it out. You could just steal someone’s sheep. So they’re accustomed to extreme violence
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Mhmm.
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To protect their sheep. And they’re accustomed to acting fast and doing things quickly and violently. Mhmm. And so that’s how you got the Hatfields and the McCoys. Yeah. That’s what that shit’s about. People are like, why are those people such fucking psychos? Alright. Well, they came from a psycho community in Europe, and then when they made it over to America, they just kept that tradition going.
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Oh, for sure. Yeah. I mean, you know, people talk about, you know, the Irish and the Scots.
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Did I say Michael Meh? Did I say Michael Malcolm McDowell. Malcolm Gladwell. That’s what I meant. Oh, okay. Malcolm Gladwell. Sorry, Malcolm. Yeah. Malcolm Gladwell. It’s early.
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Yeah. But that’s, you know, we still to this day, we talk about, oh, yeah. Those Irish vatsal the Scottish guys, the English ai, if you’re in the, you know, like, say, South London or whatever, some rough guys over there. Where do you think we came from?
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Yeah.
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I mean, you know, I did one of those tests about my genealogy and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, you hear stuff from your family growing up that Ai grew up thinking I was part Italian and Native American and all these different things. Right? And then I do this thing. It’s like I’m a full on English, Scottish guy. You know?
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It’s Irish, English, Scottish, almost all of meh, except for as my daughter sai. She goes, daddy, why aren’t we randomly Swiss? I got a little bit of French Swiss. You know? It’s ai 11%, something like that. And the rest of it’s just that stuff.
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So all those people come over here and North Carolina or Tennessee, Arkansas, you know, all these places, there are words that we use, you know, which, you know, we call the hillbilly language, which actually wasn’t considered a hillbilly language in England, you know, but that language was left over.
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Like we say, reckon you wanna go do something? Reckon over there, they still use it. Yeah. Aran with, meaning one. It’s like if you said to me, hey.
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Can I have a beer? And I sai, I ain’t got Aran. You know, it’s a I r n. I ain’t got Aran. And all that stuff came from, England and Ireland and Scotland.
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Well, that’s the idea of the southern accent. Right? The southern accent is an English accent that just morphed Yes. In a new place.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah. And and morphed particularly probably because the ai. Like, the climate changed a lot. Right. And one of, you know, one of the weirder things about these stereotypes about the South is the hookworm thing. Do you know that thing?
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No. Tell me about that.
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Okay. This is crazy. So for a long time, a giant percentage of people that lived in the South had hookworm. And hookworm is a parasite that you get in your feet from walking around barefoot.
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Okay.
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And hookworm affects your cognitive function in a massive way. It makes you slow and stupid. And so this myth of the the southern person being slow and lazy and stupid was all because they were infected with hookworm.
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Wow.
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Like the like, a giant percentage of these people had hookworm. Like, throw that into our sponsor perplexity and tell me how much hookworm was in the South.
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I’m gonna cancel Ai gonna cancel my therapist.
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The phrase hookworm southern draw refers to historical connection between hookworm infections in the American South and certain stereotypes about Southerners, including the way they spoke and behaved in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. Hookworm infestations were rampant with estimates suggesting that up to forty percent of the people in the region were infected.
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So hookworm causes symptoms like severe fatigue, anemia, and mental fog, which led to slowness in speech and thought. This contributed to the stereotype of southerners being lazy or slow witted, often associated with the southern drawl. How did they fix that? Like, what, what medication did they use to fix that? Some sort of a dewormer? Health campaigns?
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How was
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it? Ai mean, I’ve heard of hookworm, but I had no idea that that had any association Yeah.
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I didn’t either. When when I found that out, I was like, oh, that makes sense.
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Right.
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That makes sense. Rockefeller Sanitation Commission surveyed infection rates forty percent. Mobile dispensaries travel throughout the region. Free deworming meh, and educating local doctors. Okay. So they use some sort of an anti parasitic. Uh-huh. All measures including latrines to improve sanitation, educating communities about the risk of soil contamination, and encouraging the routine of wearing shoes.
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Isn’t that nuts that shoes probably fixed it more than anything? People wearing shoes.
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Probably so. Yeah.
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Yeah. So that’s where it all came from. That’s that’s the hookworm thing.
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That’s
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ai. Ain’t that nuts?
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It is nuts.
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Because when I was a kid I mean, this to this day, when someone talk like, if someone wants to make a stereotype about someone being stupid
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Right.
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They use a southern accent.
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Yeah. It’s true.
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All the time.
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Yeah. I grew up with that. I mean, there was a prejudice in Hollywood when I first first got out there. There still kind of is. I I can’t I mean, especially coming up now, I mean, you know, once you reach a certain level, you know, you can walk into Universal Studios and say, I wanna play Bette Davis.
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And they’re all, hey. That’s a great idea. But, you know, they’re ai but when you’re coming up, you know, I was, the first thing I ever auditioned for in LA was a student film. It was ai one of those USC student films. And I go in there and depart with some guy that just got off the turnip truck from Alabama.
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And I thought, well, I’ve probably got this. And, so and I was broke and everything and it wasn’t gonna pay anything, but I didn’t care. It was like, well, maybe I meh my foot in the door because I didn’t go to be an actor anyway. I I just thought, well, ai this stuff. And, I go in there and, I think the casting person and the director are both East Coast people, like New York or somewhere.
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And I did my little audition, and they said, can can you do it more southern? And I’m like, are you shitting me? It’s like, you got to be shitting me. I said, well, what you have to understand is I actually did just get off the trailer truck from back there, and this is how you talk. You know?
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And, of course, my accent is not as thick as it was then, but, they just said I wasn’t southern enough. And it was like, oh, I I see what they’re getting at. Yeah. So they wanted the Foghorn Leghorn Yeah. You know, now over here, what we have is and I never heard anybody talk. I grew up down there. I never heard that.
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And so that’s what they would do. There are a lot of performances over the years where people who are not from the South played the part that actually use that accent, and they win Academy Awards and stuff. And I’m like, wow. So anyway, I didn’t get this part. And the guy who got the part literally sounded like he was in the Bronx.
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But he was doing that thing. You know? I thought, wow. This is gonna be tough out here. You know?
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But Southerners don’t often get picked or even noticed for things like let’s say you’re doing a gangster movie in the thirties in New York. You know, if even if you can do the the accents, you know, whatever. But people from New York can get parts playing Southerners. That still goes on.
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That’s so weird. Yeah. It’s a it’s a such a weird stereotype. You know, it it exists in music too, doesn’t it? For sure. Like, southern bands until Skynyrd came along, southern bands got no respect.
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Absolutely. Yeah. I mean
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Skynyrd fucked that up just because they were so good. They were so good. I was like, alright, man. You gotta let Freebird is Freebird.
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Yeah. Ai?
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That guitar solo you like to hear. Ridiculous. It’s
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ridiculous. I’ve known those guys a long time, those guys in Skinner. Yeah. It’s, you’re right. That whole and also anybody that was from the South got lumped into the Southern Rock
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Right.
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Thing.
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Right.
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You know? And they weren’t all just people that sounded like Charlie Daniels. I mean, they were very, very different types of bands. The Allman Brothers combined jazz and blues and rock and pop and everything in their music. They were literally masters, the Allman Brothers.
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Allman Brothers Ai at the Fillmore East, probably the best live album ever made. But they just say they’re all southern rock bands. It’s like, it wasn’t really like that, you know.
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Very different styles.
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Very different styles.
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The Allman Brothers were masters.
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They were.
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You know, Midnight Rider is still one of my all time favorite songs.
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Oh, that’s awesome.
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If I used to have to do radio when I lived in LA, I do morning radio.
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Right.
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I’d smoke a joint before I left the house, you know, because it’s ai 05:30AM. I’d listen to Midnight Bryden. Oh, yeah. In the dark. Oh, yeah. On the way, they’re like, oh.
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Oh, it’s a brilliant song.
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Oh, it’s so good. It just gets you in the mood.
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And the and country guys, you know, back in those days when country was actual country music, they would hear some of these songs by those kind of guys ai the Allman Brothers or Marshall Tucker, whoever it was, and and cut them, you know, for country albums ai Waylon Jennings did Midnight Rider. Oh, yeah. That’s right. It’s great coverage. Yeah. You know?
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But, yeah, it’s it’s kinda odd, you know, being raised in the area of the country that people look at as the armpit. And then you have you know? And like I said, once you overcome that, within the business Sana it’s not like they like you any better, you know. It’s just that they can use you to make money with. And once once, you know, that happens, then, you know, you can go in and play Bette Davis.
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That’s the stereotype of the the the coastal cities. Right? It’s sai stereotype that comes out of New York and LA where it’s ai everything else is stupid. Yes. Like, it’s you’re in New York or you’re in LA and all these retards in the middle, that’s the flyover states.
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That’s right.
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Literally, we call it the flyover
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over states. Meh. Mhmm.
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And when you’re in control of casting all the great films and all the great television shows and you decide what the great albums are
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Right.
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You dismiss like, these people that are it takes ai a Stevie Ray Vaughan. Yeah. It was like an undeniable saloni.
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Yes. Where
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they go, okay, I don’t give a fuck where that guy’s from. Right. Right. Let let ai that guy fucking play.
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Oh, yeah. Ai, that
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guy’s got voodoo in his hands. Like, whatever he’s doing, I don’t care where he’s from. But other than that, you would, ai, they would look at these places ai they were less than, you know, or that that the people were not as bright. And that stereotype still exists today. Ai remember one of the good things about traveling and doing the road a lot as a stand up is you get to perform all over the country and meet all these different people.
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Right. And, you know, when I would talk to people about Texas in particular, I’d be like, dude, I fucking love it there. They’re the most fun people. It’s like it’s so fun. It’s and they’re normal. They’re normal people. They’re not Hollywood people angling to try to get a Right.
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Some sort of a social relationship with you sai they can progress their career. They’re just cool people, just regular fucking people.
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Yeah.
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And the the problem is that these people in these coastal cities are the ones who don’t know that and they’re dictating the narrative for the entire country.
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Right.
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Yeah. It’s true. I mean, it happens all the ai, and people ask meh. There was a very famous singer movie star person. This is a long time ago. It was when I first started getting invited to the parties, you know, and I didn’t know anything about this stuff. And I
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What year was this around?
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Well, it was around the time of Sling Blade. You know? I mean, I was working and had done some stuff that had been noticed, like one false move and, you know, done a few things. But, this was around that ai. And, it wasn’t even out yet, I don’t think, but screenings had started happening and there’s a buzz about it. Right?
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So I get invited to a party, and it was, it was out at David Foster’s house. It was always real nice to me. And at the time, he was married to Linda Thompson who was, you know, Memphis girl. And, she always made southern food, and she kinda took a liking to me and said, hey.
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I wanna invite you because, you know, you’re from the South, and we always have the southern food at our parties and stuff. So I go out there and there were a lot of big people there. And I found myself outside having to smoke, and I was standing there in a little group of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Mel Gibson ai I think maybe Dan Aykroyd was there.
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And I remember, Lionel Richie was in there playing piano in the living ram, and I’m just like, wow. Wait. This is crazy. And, but I Ai felt it’s like that poor kid from the south syndrome. Like, I don’t really belong here, so I was real shy and, you know, that kind of thing. Well, this I went into the kitchen to get another drink.
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And, this like I said, I won’t name her name, but, a very famous singer and actress from, you know, back in the sixties and seventies. And she very seriously said to meh, she said, so this Slingbird so sorry. She goes, it’s fascinating to me. A lot of people who didn’t know me before that thought that I was actually that guy.
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It’s like this mentally challenged guy who made a movie and everything like that. And they’re and they would meet me and they’d go, you’re the bryden that? And I’m like, yeah. So anyway, but she said it was fascinating to me. And she goes, and you came out here ram, what is it, Alabama or something like that? And I said, Arkansas. She goes, Arkansas.
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And with a straight face said to me, what do you people do down there? I was like, wow. And I sai, thinking she’d get the joke, I said, we mostly lay around on the porch with our hound dog and swat flies. She goes, oh, interesting. Interesting.
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It’s like, babe, I was I was fucking with you there, and but that was one of the moments where I realized that I really was an outsider out there.
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You know?
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And people ask me about my longevity in this business, and I always say it’s because I stay out of it. And I I tell people, do your acting on the red carpet, not in the movie. They sai, well, you’re so natural in this stuff. It’s like, that’s from ignorance. I don’t know anything about acting. I didn’t go to Shakespeare school and stuff. I didn’t you know, I look at the thing.
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I’m playing Tommy Norris in Landman or I’m playing the guy in Goliath or Fargo or Sling Blade or Monstrous Bob, whatever I was in. I just go out there and do what it says, you know, and, be myself in whatever role it is. And, because, you know, people want to think there’s a trick to everything, that you can learn everything. And it’s it’s kinda just not true.
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I mean, I believe artists, whether they’re musicians, novelists, actors, whatever they are, I truly believe that you’re born with most of it. I’m not saying that you can’t learn and that you can’t progress. You can’t get better. I mean, just repetition makes you better. I mean, you know, just the more you do something, the more comfortable you get with it.
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But, you know, if if if you say like, if you were to ask meh, what is my process? Hell, I wouldn’t know what to tell you. I don’t know what my process is. It’s ai my process shah started when I was born. I’m just I use my life experience, and I do this stuff.
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I’m I lived a very eclectic life, and, I just remember all this stuff. I don’t need to go in the hallway before a scene and think about when my dad ran over my cat or something.
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Ai. Right.
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And, you know, start, you know, gobbling like a turkey and, you know, yelling and screaming and punching the walls, stuff like ai, and trying to get all this sense memory. My sense memory is here on the edge of my skin every fucking minute. And, I mean, if you’re raised where I was, it was like, you know, I I don’t forget any of that stuff.
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And I’ve lived 50 different lives, so plenty to draw on, and I just believe that people sana. It sounds like you’re smarter if you say, well, here’s how I learn lines. I take this, and then I have this mathematical formula, and I I imagine these letters as numbers and ai like that.
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And it’s like, because the press loves that because it’s like, what a genius. You know? They don’t they don’t respect hell, I don’t I just go out there and do it as much because people want to believe that anyone can do this if you get in the right school, if you get the right, you know, teaching from someone, if you go study Shakespeare or whatever it is.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, I just don’t believe that’s true. I I believe you ever either have it or you don’t have it. Like in music, you can learn to play guitar. You can learn to play piano. You can learn to play drums. No. I’ll take that back.
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You can get better at playing drums, but if you’re not born a drummer, you’re not gonna be able to do it. My brother, God rest his soul, passed away at 30, Jimmy. He was a brilliant musician, played every instrument in the world except when he got on my ram, and he looked like he had some muscular disorder.
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It was like he was just like he goes, how do you do this? You use all both legs and both arms
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and all that stuff. Crazy to ai everything else.
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Everything. And, he just couldn’t play drums. Drummers can get better and they get to to be experts, but the thing in music that you can’t teach is feel. You can’t teach a vibe or a feel to people. Like, Eric Clapton could play a lick on a guitar, give it to another guy. He plays the same exact lick. It’s gonna sound different just because of their feel.
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Yeah. That’s ai, like, that Miles Davis quote about hitting notes so that everybody can hit the same notes, but it’s the attitude of the motherfucker that’s the important thing. Yeah. The attitude of the person singing the notes is everything. That’s most of it. Yeah. And you either have that or you do not.
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No doubt about it.
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And some of it’s genetic and some of it’s just learned experience in your environment and how you grew up. Yeah. But, yeah, you don’t got it. You don’t got it.
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I mean, Levon Helm, who was a friend of mine, you know, played drums with the band. He and Richie Hayward who, was with Little Feet, Frank Beard and ZZ Top, you know, and especially on their earlier records, and, you know, Charlie Watts and Ringo and those guys, they all had feel.
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They had a thing. And, then there are these other drummers in these sort of, you know, I call them science bands, you know, where the drummer has, like, 75 ram. And they can do shit that seems humanly impossible. But what happens after the song’s over? It doesn’t stick.
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Right. Do you
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know what I mean? It’s like but Levon just playing on a little four piece kit just had that feel, and he played the song. So anytime musicians start thinking it’s all about their thing like, if you’re doing movies, the prop people think you need 11 watches on each arm. It’s ai about your department, everything. Ai briefcases and watches everywhere and shit. And, and it’s like, no. I’ll just take an old Timex with a round face. I’m good.
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You know? But it’s, when when musicians start thinking that they have to make their part cut through and be noticed, the best drummers, you don’t really notice them. You hear the song. If you go in there and dig deep and listen to them, if you isolate them, you know, and and just listen to that, you’re like, oh, okay. Yeah.
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Listen to that cat. But in a in a perfect world, all you hear is the singer singing and telling you what they’re trying to say, and the music is so good behind it that it’s just part of it. Yeah. You don’t really notice it. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. And you can’t teach that. Yeah. That’s it’s the feel thing. Yeah. And you know it when you hear it. When a song just, oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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It just gets in there, ai, you guys nailed it. Yeah. You put it together, you you you fucking nailed it. And the amazing thing, like, about bands and how long have the box master’s been around now? You’ve been around
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for Twenty years.
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Twenty years.
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Yeah.
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The most amazing thing is that people get together and they stay friends for that long. And Right. With all the conflicts and all the ego and all the bullshit and you meh, you know, you hang out and ai, that to meh, when someone makes great music, it’s the most impressive thing is not just that you make great music, but you make great music with people that all get along together with all these different creative minds and egos and weirdness.
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Everybody’s weird. Every fucking creative person I’ve ever met is out of their fucking mind.
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Oh, yeah.
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And you get all together, and then you show up at practice at the same time. Yeah. You know, you rehearse together. You actually do it, and you show up for gigs, and you perform, you hit your notes on stage, you you can all stay friends. Like, that’s the most important thing and the most rare thing and the most impressive thing.
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Absolutely. And and with our band in particular, I mean, before that, I, you know, played in a million bands and had a solo band that did four major label solo records. And that’s where I met some of the guys that that where it rolled over into the Boxmasters. JD Andrew, specifically, who’s still he and I are the longest running members. We started the band together, and he and I still run it.
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And, you know, we’re the opposite of what normally happens. Normally, a band when they’re younger, they hit it for a while, three or four years, maybe have a couple of hits or at least some things that people know about. And then as the years go go on, you start to dwindle a bit, you know. I mean, unless you’re the Rolling Stones or The Who.
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We just opened for The Who on our last tour, which
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was awesome. Yeah. Wow.
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And, so this band has started as you know, it’s like, you know, I got this ram about it’s always an actor who wants to be a musician just like this guy and that guy. And it’s like, no. No. I I was a musician who came to LA to play music, accidentally became an actor. Next thing you know, I made 381 on an episode of Matlock with five lines. And I’m like, I’m broke. I better do this.
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And that’s how it became an episode.
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That’s crazy.
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And so one way or the other, we started out fighting that stigma for, you know, ten, twelve years. And then all of a sudden it started to go away because we got more and more fans and became a big underground band. And in the last five or six years, it got really popular. So here we are, old guys who are still making it, who are still on their way up at our age.
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And, so it kinda went the other way around with us. And, and you’re right. I mean, to stick around that long, especially when it took us a while to get success, to make any money at it, and to get the fan base we have now.
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Is there a weird thing too about people, like critics or people that are paying attention to the music that don’t just listen to the music and see you guys perform. Instead, they think, oh, that’s Billy Bob the movie star who’s trying
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to be a musician.
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So this is ai stigma to it. So instead of, like, looking at you and go, oh, it’s a cool band. Oh, I like them. This is great. Like, oh, that’s that fucking Sling Bryden guy.
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Right. Yeah.
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Billy Bob’s trying to do something different. He wants to be a rock star.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s that’s what we put up with for about half of our career with the Boxmasters. Not as much anymore. That that kinda goes away. It goes away with the public, with the audience. Mhmm. With some of the critics, it’s still there because they want to say that about you.
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It’s it it has nothing to do with your music. It has to do with here’s my angle for this article.
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Yes.
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My angle in this I mean, I did an article with, you know, a magazine one time that was kind of more of a men’s magazine. You know? Talked about music the whole time and talked about sex for about three minutes. The whole article’s about sex. You know what I mean? Sai, I mean, that’s just Of course. Because that’s their ai. You know?
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And saloni, anyway, when when they say this stuff, they’re saying it because they want to dig at you. Right. And if musicians you know, famous musicians are at one of our shows, unless it’s, you know, ones who are friends of ours, if they wanna come back and meet us after the show and say hello, they’ll come back there.
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And most people wouldn’t take this as an insult, but it is. They’ll come back and they’ll say, hey. It looks like you’re really having fun up there, which means, oh, isn’t it cute? You got a little hobby and you’re having fun up there and you get to be a rock star. That’s what they mean by it.
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And I just kick them the fuck out of the dressing room. I mean, I’m I’m not joking. There was a very famous guy who came back to see us in Dallas one ai, and he came back and he goes, you know, it’s really nice you get to do this. I said, get to do what? And he said, you know, get to go out on the road and stuff and, you know, get this part out of you and get to have fun up there and ai like that.
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I said, well, you know, I have some songs about suicide. I said, so you think that’s fun? I said, it’s not fun. I I’m writing about shit ram my soul that I grew up in. I’m also writing things that are hopeful songs. I’m writing a lot of stuff here.
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We write original music and perform it, and people love this band. I said, so don’t ever fucking come near me again. Don’t ever come to one of our shows again if all you wanna do is come back here because you’re pissed that, we just had a a record on the radio.
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51:48
Right. Right.
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You know what I mean? And and then you were in a band from, you know, thirty years ago, and now you’re playing, you know, places that are smaller than where we are. So don’t come back and start that shit with me. And and I actually he said, oh, no. No, dude. I’m just saying it really look like I said, get the fuck out of here.
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52:05
Oh, wow. I
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don’t care who you are. Wow. And so Well,
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you know when someone’s digging at
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you. Absolutely. Yeah.
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You know when someone’s saying that was a great show. It looks like you guys are having fun. They’re they’re smiling and laughing. That was fucking great. I loved it. I loved it. And then you know, oh, looks like you’re having fun up there.
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Yeah. Right. Oh. Yeah.
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Oh, you’re a cunt. Yeah. Right. Oh, okay. Okay, cunt. Yeah. Some people just love to do that. They just wanna dismiss.
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The and fans think you’re so dumb and you have no meh that some of the people who come to your shows to get stuff signed, which, you know, a lot of them, they’re not even, well, they’re selling them. You know what I mean? Right. And, and in certain cities, like in Kansas City, we’re like the Beatles.
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52:47
I mean, there are just certain cities where we sell out the second it goes on sale and stuff. I think you got good places and places that aren’t as good. You know? No rhyme or reason to it sometimes, but there there are people who come up to me that I’ve seen at shows before.
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And, I mean, if it’s if it fits a guy that’s just just average looking guy, you may not remember them. But if it’s a guy who’s six eleven and has red hair with, like, this giant nose and two teeth, you remember that guy. I saw this guy last year. You know? And so I’ve actually had him come up to me and say one of their favorite things to say is, oh, it’s so funny. Yeah.
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We can’t wait to come see your show tonight. We didn’t even know you had a band. They love to say vatsal. Ai, well, you obviously didn’t see every TV show we’ve done. You didn’t see, you know, me talking about it on the Today Shah or whatever I’m on. You know?
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53:45
This has been going on a long time. Yeah. You knew that. But they want to say that to you.
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53:50
Right. To dismiss you.
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Sai I’ve actually had guys on this tour, a guy came up to me who’s been to three of our shows. I know he was there, and he’s always in the front. On the third time, he comes up to me and he goes, yeah, man. This is really really cool and everything. Will you sign these bunch of pictures from Bad Santa? I didn’t even know you had a band.
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54:10
It’s like, well, the first time you came, maybe you didn’t. But then the second time you came, Sai I think you probably remembered. And then last year when you were here, and now you’re here today. So I think you probably do by today that we have a band. You know? Yeah.
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But people love we grew we’re in a society now where nobody wants to It’s a it’s a get me society. Right. They’re gonna get you.
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Yeah.
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And however they can get you, they wanna get you. Yeah. And, nobody likes to see people succeed. Like, when I was playing the, Carl in Sling Bryden, every critic in the world loved me. And then all the other ones, a simple plan. I’m playing this poor pathetic wretch and all this ai of stuff. You know?
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The second I got to, you know, have a love scene with somebody, and I was a leading man all of a sudden, it’s like, wait a minute. You’re not one of us. Where did the hump on your back go and all that shit?
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You know? It’s like and it’s like, you actually look better in this movie than you did that. You know? What did you have? Plastic surgery or whatever it is. Right. Right.
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And so once you start to succeed, that’s when they start to wanna say shit to you. You know?
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55:24
Yeah. People love watching people fail at things. Yeah. And because it it takes away the pressure that they’ve they have in their own ai, their lack of success. Right. If if they could watch a great man fall. That’s what’s a funny thing is, like, the the the the dismissal of your music.
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55:43
Like, you they can’t dismiss you as an actor or your accomplishments. So they try to dismiss you as, like, oh, like, this is a a thing you’re kinda doing. You wish you were a rock star.
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55:56
Right.
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It’s a thing. You you can’t possibly be also a musician.
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55:59
Oh, yeah. You’re just you’re
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just an arya, and you do things that are cool that you enjoy doing. No. That’s not possible. Why is
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this ugly fuck married to Angelina? You know, that ai of stuff. You know what I mean? It’s like yeah. I mean and that you know, not that I disagree, but,
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It’s normal. I get it. I would be thinking that way too if I was 16, you know. Right. If I was a kid, I’d be like, fuck that guy.
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Yeah. You know
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what I mean?
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Yeah. It’s it’s
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I remember when I first saw pictures of you with Angelina Jolie. I didn’t think that though. I was like, fuck yeah, dude.
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Ai. We’re supposed to root for each other. Yes. You know?
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56:35
You can look at something and be like, oh, fuck that guy. Why is that guy? Or you could look at the same thing and go, fuck, yeah. Way to go, dude.
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56:46
Absolutely. That’s
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awesome. And then you feel good and he feels good. Sure. And everybody feels good. And maybe you’re inspired to do better for yourself. Like, you know what? I wish I was a little more a little bit more like that guy. I gotta maybe discipline myself a little more, get my shit together, get something going.
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57:02
You know? But instead of fucking that guy sucks, you’re fucking overrated. That guy fucking sucks. He’s a joke. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fucking Sling Blade. Oh, you played a retard.
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You’re alright. Exactly. I
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know. The beautiful thing about Sling Blade is you did that on your own. Like, you you did that, and you broke out. Like, you’re like, look. Nobody’s giving me a chance. I was gonna do something. Yeah. And then everybody’s like, oh meh god. We love you. We love you. You did this on your own.
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Yeah.
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But even then, you try to do something different. You you like, you try to, like, just be a normal human. No. No. No. No. No. Yeah.
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We’re not gonna
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be a retard.
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Yeah. Yeah. We
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ai you as a retard.
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Absolutely.
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You’re getting a little too big. Yeah. I don’t I liked it when you were underground. I liked it when nobody knew about you. I bet the box masters get that too. Right? Like, I liked you in the beginning before you guys made it.
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Yeah. We have people who ai the first two or three albums back, you know, when we first started, which were kind of experimental albums. And but, yeah, it’s it’s a that’s a thing. It just is. And It’s a human thing. Yeah. And we we do, like, more than ever to see people fail, I think. I mean, there was a time when we rooted for people.
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I think there’s also too much exposure now. Ai think, for instance, when we were growing up, especially in my era, if we were gonna see Jimmy Stewart, we were only gonna see him in the movie. And it was on film, and it had literally a film over it
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Right.
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That made it look like you were watching something magical. Now you got digital where you can see every fucking mole on your face and shit. You know? And, and everything is a behind the scenes. Oh, and, you know, the studio is doing this, and now this group wants to come over, and they’re gonna do a whole thing.
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And they wanna see you on the set. And so but if I see Mel Gibson sitting in a director’s chair dressed up like he was in Braveheart talking about the movie, it’s like it takes away something
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Yeah.
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From that. It’s like we’ve had too much of a speak behind the curtain, I believe. And I think there’s we’re too exposed. There’s too much access to people. When I was growing up in this business, I wouldn’t have dared. If I’d seen Bob Dylan or Jack Lemmon or whoever it was on the sidewalk, I wouldn’t walk up to him, to sai Jack Lemmon, punch him in the shoulder and say, hey, dude.
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Let’s get a picture. I mean, in a million years, I wouldn’t have done that. There’s a respect. These are my elders. They’re my heroes, and probably wouldn’t have approached them at all.
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But if I did, I would be, you know, very apologetic and say, I’m so sorry, but I’m such a huge fan of yours. And you still get that every now and then from decent people. But now cats will come up to me literally and just, you know, just come up and, like, grab me by the arm and say, dude, let’s get a picture.
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The worst ones are and this is usually ai. Usually more guys than women. They come up, and they’ll say, hey, man. You’re supposed to be famous or some shit. Ai wife said, you know, you’re ai some famous dude. You know? So I don’t really give a shit about that stuff, but can we get a picture?
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And it’s ai, I’ve put up with it for thirty years. In the last couple of years, I started saying, how about when you do give a shit, come back and we’ll get a picture? You know? Because, you know, after a while, you just can’t take it.
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And I’m
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I’m kind of a codependent guy, so I’m nice to everybody Ai can be. You know? And it’s just every now and then you get a ringer and, and you get drunk people, men and women, who just come over. They’ll they’ll come to the bus when we’re on tour and just start banging on the door and say, hey. You know, come out here. We got some whiskey.
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Take a shot with us. And you’re just like, can you imagine doing that to Jimmy Stewart? Right. You know? First of all, back then, you would have just they’d just thrown you in jail. You know? But, there’s something about having heroes that you that are unattainable for you.
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That way, they can stay in that magic spot. So I think we’ve lost magic and mystery and all these things. You know?
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It certainly happens when you hear actors talk about politics. Mhmm. When actors become activists, it’s like, okay. Yeah. Oi. Oi.
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I donate to a lot of charities, mainly children’s stuff, but nobody knows it. I I don’t go to the award show and talk about it when I’m getting my award. It’s It’s like it’s like Ricky Gervais said in that skit of his, you know, he sai, he said, look, you know, come up here, accept your little award, and fuck off.
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Yeah. You
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know? I I think, first of all, unless you have really studied stuff and really know about a subject fully, who the hell would wanna listen to an actor or a musician talk about politics? You know what I mean? It’s like, are we supposed to follow this? I mean, if we are, what if they lead you down the wrong road?
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And, you know, and and politically, I’m not a I call myself a radical, moderate. Ai, like, very strong in my opinions, but my opinions don’t belong to any political party. And, you know, I just look at what makes sense, and I think we need a common sense party in this country. That’s actually what I think we need.
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It’s just
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just figure it out. It’s pretty easy to figure out what this is all about, you know.
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A non ideologically captured party.
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01:02:38
Yes.
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Yeah. That just is ai, okay. What do we need to do here? Mhmm. Instead of it’s us versus them, you know. Like, you’re seeing this a lot right now because, ai Donnie won in New York City and people are screaming, we’re winning now. We’re winning. Like, what is this we shit? It’s supposed to be we are all Americans. You are all New Yorkers. Right. You’re all we. You decided who’s gonna run your city.
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Now we should all root for this guy Right. To do a great job
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For sure.
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And this idea that now fuck all these other people that didn’t vote for ai. Like, it’s not a ai not a gang war. Okay? It’s an election to see who governs your city. Yeah. And once someone wins, everybody else should be like, okay. Well, let’s hope this guy’s got some good fucking plans and it works out great for everybody.
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Yeah.
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And if you don’t think like that, like, you’re part of the problem.
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Absolutely. I mean, people are pitted against each other so much these days that it’s it’s gotten kinda ridiculous. Sai mean and and you’re right. It is almost like gang warfare. You know? And, and, and here’s the other thing. It’s like we could also sai, let’s all get along.
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Well, that’s never gonna happen because not everybody’s gonna get along with everybody. Right. I mean, even on purse on a personal basis. I mean, you could pick any, you know, 20 people, put them in a room, and let’s all hang out together for a week and all live in the same house, you’re not gonna get along with everybody.
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But at the end of the day, our basic principles as humans, those should all be the same with all those people.
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Yes.
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You know, which that I mean, to me, that’s getting along.
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That’s attainable.
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It is attainable. And I think that we like, even somebody that maybe you don’t agree with their their principles, if it’s just two of you, sitting at a bus stop talking, it’s hard to not just in a one on one basis with people, it’s hard to dislike someone that you’re stuck with for a couple hours.
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01:04:39
Right. You know what
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I mean? You start talking, and then you find out, oh, oh, this cat doesn’t believe anything Ai believe, but then all of a sudden you say something like, you know, remember when we used to drink Tang? You know? And then the guy goes astronaut drank it.
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Ai. And then
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the guy goes, yeah. We used to drink Tang. The next thing you know, you’re having a conversation because you grew up as just kids and humans. You know?
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Right. Right. Right. Yeah. It’s Ai think it’s all because of social media is a big part of it.
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01:05:07
Yes. I totally agree.
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It’s because the division when I was a kid, you know, I remember like the Reagan days. The ai, there’s a lot of people didn’t like Reagan, but it was never evil. It was never ai this vile hatred of someone that you see today for different political parties and different politicians and and and just the way we looked at one side of the country versus the other side of the country.
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01:05:30
It wasn’t divided like that. No. Like, I always had relatives that were some of them were conservative and some of them were liberal and real liberal and everybody is ai, you disagreed, but they didn’t fucking disavow each other
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Right.
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Because you voted for the wrong person. Like, this is arya. And I think that sort of insanity is just accentuated by these weird little echo chambers that people exist in that are also infiltrated by bots. So they’re not even real people, half of them.
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Right. Right.
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01:06:00
So this one FBI analyst, he estimated that it might be as high as 80% of the people that are communicating online
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Right.
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Are bots Yeah. On Twitter. Right. Which is fucking insane.
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Well, yeah.
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Because it’s 80% of the people getting all these other people riled up arya even people. Yeah. It’s either AI chat bots that are run by China or Russia or even our own government.
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Right.
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And then there’s actual farms of people that are being told to do these things.
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01:06:28
Oh, for sure. I mean, now people get jobs in the entertainment business because they’re in charge of I mean, at studios and things, you know, some 22 year old who’s in charge of seeing who has the most followers. Yeah. And they take someone and make them into a star because they got all these followers, and it’s like but they they can’t do jack shit. It’s like Mhmm.
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You know, the talent comes the talent is created as opposed to someone who’s talented and given the opportunity. You know? And you’re I think you’re right. I mean, social media has really I mean, it sounds like the old guy chasing kids off their lawn, but it’s just the truth.
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I told my wife when the Internet first became a thing ai way back when it first arya. I said, watch and see. I said, this is going to ruin people’s view of each other. It’s going to ruin our society. I promise you.
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01:07:26
You really thought that way back then? Totally. Ai? What made you feel that way?
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01:07:31
Once you start opening it up to, well, it’s like it’s like, well, now everyone has an opportunity. They look at that as equality, as as an opportunity for everyone, that everyone can get on the Internet, and now everyone can do something. That’s great for the people that actually had something to say or do. But then you got another 80%, you know, have an opportunity.
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And all of a sudden, there’s someone because they decided to, you know, like, take pictures themselves in the bathroom or something. You know? And, but I I swear to god Ai saw it all coming. And it was it it was, I mean, it gets out of control. And then AI, for Christ’s sakes yeah.
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It’s fun to watch me in in a a sling blade talking on, like Carl, but it’s a little baby ai to order French fries. You know? It’s funny. But if it’s used for that or if there’s some medical ways that they can use it, that’s awesome. But once you start taking jobs away from people, I mean, the workforce is going to be destroyed because of that stuff. Yeah.
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And and that’s, to me, not cool unless you’re gonna find a way to take care of people because it’s it’s gonna ruin the workforce. I mean, pretty soon, you won’t need
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01:08:55
it shipped. For sure. Yeah. And it’s gonna be interesting to see how we navigate that. But I just I’m shocked that you picked that out early on ai I looked at it the other way. I said, this is gonna give people that were outside the system, sort of like you were when you created Sling Bryden.
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This is gonna give people an opportunity to show their talent that maybe would have never gotten an opportunity to be hired by somebody. Yeah. That they’ll be able to create something completely on their own. And I’ve read all these blogs by people that were really interesting. I was like, okay.
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01:09:24
I would have never read this guy’s book if I just saw it in a bookstore. I wouldn’t buy it and pick it up. But I’m reading this guy’s and he’s got very interesting ai. And he’s just some guy who’s a computer coder who lives in Missouri. And somehow or another, he’s just smart enough to figure out how to say things in a way that resonates with me, and I would have never seen this guy’s words before.
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01:09:45
Yeah.
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And I
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was like, oh, this is like good because it’ll make it much more of a meritocracy. It’s ai, if you have good stuff, if you have good things, good ideas, those ideas will get out.
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01:09:55
Yeah. I I agree with that still to this day that That too. That that’s true. That yeah. Ai and in the beginning, I felt that too. I felt this is great. What I was afraid of was it becoming a runaway train.
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01:10:09
Well, clearly, you were right.
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You know? And so it it was I did love the opportunity to discover people I wouldn’t have otherwise, and I still feel that way. I still discover people on the Internet all the time that it’s like, wow. I would have never known that. So that does exist. But out of those, you know, 20%, like I said, there’s another 80% that ai, for instance, when I was coming up as an actor, we had, like, 30 critics to worry about.
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01:10:37
You know, it was, you know, Rex Bryden and Siskel and Ebert and Jeffrey Lyons and all these people. And but, you know, there was a not a finite number, but sai finite number of critics. You know? I mean, you had the local ones, you know, and, all the states, but and internationally.
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But, now some guy named Daryl who doesn’t like you, you know, can just write a bunch of shit about you and people believe it.
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Right. Right.
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01:11:10
You know? I’ve been on lists before. I mean, you can ask people I work with on a set. Like I said, I’m codependent. I’m probably nicer to the crew even than I am, you know, the director and the producers and stuff. I mean, not that I’m not nice to them too, but I love, like, the ram man crew. Best crew I ever worked with.
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01:11:30
And I go out of my way to make sure that they’re okay every day, and they’ll tell you that. I mean, I’ve always been, you know, decent guy on set to people. I’ve blown up maybe two or three times ever, and that was always when I was directing. But, somehow, you look at something on the Internet.
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You could be looking up how do you make blueberry muffins, and some fucking way, I’ll eventually get to something that says what an asshole I am.
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You know? And when you see that thing pop up, you know, it’s
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01:12:06
like, oh, he eats blueberries every day, and that was related to the blueberry muffin thing, in which I do eat blueberries every day. And, and it’s been said publicly. But then the blueberries turns into, oh, and he’s also weird because he’s afraid of antiques, and then it’s this and that and the other. Yeah.
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Next thing you know, I’m on a list of the top 10 actors, and I’ve seen this a couple of times, who are the most difficult to work with on set. And I’m like, how the hell did this even happen? I mean, that’s not true, but somehow somebody said something
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01:12:39
Right.
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01:12:40
That then became widespread and then all of a sudden Ai end up always when I listen, the people I work with would say, god, that’s it couldn’t be further from the truth.
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01:12:49
But Once again, people love to find out that someone’s secretly an asshole. Yeah. Right. Yeah. They want that. They don’t want, like, oh, he’s the sweetest guy. They want, oh, he’s sai piece of shit behind the scenes. Like Right. Like ai Ellen thing. Like, you know, like, Ellen was all, like, laughing and ai.
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01:13:04
And then when everybody found out she’s actually kinda mean Right. They were ai, oh, good. Yeah. Fuck her. Right.
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You
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know, it’s like they wanted that to be true. They were excited that it was true.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. People love to see that. And yeah. I mean, I’ve
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01:13:21
It’s also rumors can just get they just light fire. And meh the Richard Gere gerbil rumor?
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01:13:28
Oh, yeah.
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I grew up in Massachusetts, and my buddy grew up in LA. And I was like, when did you hear that rumor? And he was like and it was the same time. I’m like, so this fucking rumor burned across the entire country. Probably no basis whatsoever in truth. Right. Richard Gere had to go to the hospital, get a gerbil removed from his ass. And everybody talked about ai.
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01:13:47
And poor Richard Gere is probably at home going, what the fuck? Ai? How did that happen?
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01:13:51
Yeah. It’s like I haven’t I’ve never even been near a gerbil. Ai mean, it’s like, but, ai was pretty
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01:13:58
would see Richard Gere, he would go, oh, that’s the guy with the gerbil up his house.
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01:14:02
And they’re stamped that way forever. Yeah. Nobody ever forgets it. And now with the Internet, it doesn’t go away. No. And if I want something, taken down off the Internet, I have to prove it’s me, but the person who put it up there doesn’t have to prove who they are.
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01:14:20
Right.
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01:14:21
You know
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what I mean? Right. Right.
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01:14:22
Right. Seems kinda odd to me. But, yeah, that whole thing with, Richard Gere, they want it to be true so badly that everybody you talk to who’s got the news, you know, who said, hey. Guess what happened with Richard Gere? You know? And then he went to so and so hospital and, you know, whatever it was. And then you say, shah. Come on.
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01:14:46
I mean, seriously, really and truly. And they go, no. No. No. My neighbor’s cousin’s a nurse. You know how many fucking nurses were working there that night? Thousands.
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01:14:56
Thousands of nurses were on duty. And I know somebody who knows one of them all across the country. You know?
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01:15:04
Well, they want it to be true. They want it to be true because he was too handsome.
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01:15:08
Yeah. Exactly.
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01:15:09
Too handsome, doing too well, too good of an actor. Yeah. You know, like, fuck that guy. Right. Oh, he ai gerbils up his ass. Makes sense. Yeah. And then the ai is that, like, you get so much pussy, you just, like, you get bored.
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01:15:22
Oh, yeah.
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01:15:23
You start sucking dicks, putting things up your ass, like, get Sure. Going to the hospital with GI Joe stuffed up there.
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01:15:28
Oh, yeah.
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01:15:29
Sai it’s ai some kind of a fucking rumor.
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01:15:32
Always.
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01:15:32
Yeah. It’s, you know, it’s unfortunate. It’s unfortunate people think like that. They want Yeah. They want failure.
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01:15:40
And the thing with me is I like people. I really do. And people tell me they I sign a lot of things and take a lot of pictures of people. And my friends will I have friends who won’t even look at them, you know, in the entertainment business. They’re just like, fuck these guys. Just walk right by them.
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01:15:56
And I’ll go through these press lines. I’ll sign stuff all day. And people ask meh, they say, why do you do that? I sai, a, they put my kids through school. That’s why. You know? I owe them, you know, some attention. You know?
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01:16:11
And, the other thing is it’s ai to them, it means something. You know? Fifty years from now, somebody’s grandkid is gonna have an autograph by somebody that means something to them. And that’s different than the people selling them. I’m talking about, you know, actual fans who want you to ai it out to uncle Albert or whoever it
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01:16:31
is. You know? Right. Right.
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01:16:33
And it means something to them. And I I love my fans. I mean, I I always have, and I I cherish them. I feel blessed every day, and I don’t, it it’s I mean, it’s emotionally, exhausting sometimes, you know, because, you know, everybody wants to talk to you for a half hour a piece, and you can’t do it.
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But I try anyway to talk.
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01:16:58
It’s a weird position to be in.
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01:16:59
It is. Yeah.
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01:17:00
It’s a very weird position to be in where they know you and you don’t know them. And everywhere you go, that’s the case. You walk any restaurant you walk into, oh, Billy Bob’s here. It’s like every people wanna say ai. They wanna come over to your table and shah your hand and talk to you. Ai got a mouthful of food.
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01:17:14
And it’s like
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01:17:16
Well, you know, they always wanna buy you stuff. When I was broke, starving to death, most of my life until the last, you know, thirty five years, nobody ever bought me shit. No. You know? Now everybody wants to buy me a drink. And I’m like, well, no. Let me buy let me buy you guys a drink.
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01:17:35
It’s ai, I don’t need you to buy me a drink now. But then I kinda figured out that what it really is, it’s a connection. Yeah. It’s not really about buying the the drink. It’s more about it’s an offering. It’s a friendship offering. Exactly. Yeah. And that’s why, you know, you take it. You know?
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01:17:49
You take the drink and you appreciate it. And because And
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01:17:54
occasionally, you meet really cool people that way.
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01:17:56
Absolutely. Yeah. I meet cool people all the time. All the time. Yeah. All the time.
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01:18:01
Yeah. It’s like the the problem is it’s just like social media comments. Like, if you read 10 great things about you, but then you read one, ai, that guy’s a piece of shah, he hit off the crew. Like, oh, fuck you, man. And then that ruins your whole day. Like
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01:18:14
Right.
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01:18:14
10 people saying you’re the nicest guy they’ve ever meh. We love him. He’s so so talented and so authentic, And then one fucking person, and that person gets stuck in your head. That’s the same with meeting people. You know? You can meet 10 amazing people. This is great.
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01:18:27
And one guy ai like,
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01:18:28
Sai don’t give a shit, but
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01:18:29
my wife says you’re somebody. Like, oh, fuck you.
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01:18:32
And that’s what you think about the yeah.
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01:18:34
You sai in your hotel room smoking cigarettes like fuck that guy.
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01:18:37
Right. Oh, it it’s amazing how people can get under your skin.
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01:18:40
It is. You know? That’s why they do it. Yeah. Yeah. That’s that’s why I always tell comedians post and ghost. Post something and get the fuck out of there. Don’t read anything about yourself. Don’t Right. Don’t read the good and don’t read the bad. Don’t read any of it. You don’t wanna know. Let them talk.
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01:18:56
Let them yap. Who cares?
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01:18:58
I quit reading it, you know, several years ago. I I I don’t do it anymore and, you know, I just don’t even I don’t care about awards anymore.
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01:19:08
Good for you.
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01:19:09
I got plenty of them. And because I kinda got in under the wire when awards were kinda real still, you know? Right. And I’ve won a couple recently, but these days, I just look at it as like, oh, okay. We’re gonna go over here and, you know, have some, you know, ai chicken breast and green beans and,
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01:19:30
you know, listen to The catering zones are whack.
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01:19:33
And, we’ll listen to people get up there and pontificate about how awesome they arya. And, you know, and but, see, those are the ones that get me. It’s ai, how about if you’re gonna get one of these things and you truly are honored by it, well, you honor the people who gave it to you. Yeah.
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01:19:52
Just just just them, and don’t go up there and talk about saving, you know, the badgers in Wisconsin or something. You know what I’m saying? Uh-huh. It’s like, you know, there’s a time and place for that, I believe. And, you know, you you should just stick to what it is.
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01:20:08
And and people would argue and say, well, no. Because I have a voice and because everybody knows me, this is a great platform for me to put this out there. Well, how about this? If you have a billion dollars and you wanna save the Badgers, fucking save them. I mean, you got plenty of money to save the Badgers. Trust me.
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01:20:30
That is not that’s barely gonna cut into your budget.
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01:20:33
Right. Right. Right. You know
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01:20:34
what I mean?
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01:20:34
If that’s really your cause, talking about it is just gonna annoy people. And everybody knows what you’re really doing. You’re saying how awesome you are because you care about things.
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01:20:42
That’s exactly right.
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01:20:43
You’re saying how special you are because you’re really concerned about people in Sudan or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. It’s like a flag that you carry with you to let everybody know Yeah. That you’re an amazing person.
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01:20:52
Yeah. If you’re gonna do it, just do it.
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01:20:54
Yeah. I’ve always felt like, Ai mean, it’s easy to say someone’s never won an award, but I always felt like awards for art are stupid. Stupid. Because I don’t
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01:21:03
The concept is stupid.
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01:21:04
If if people enjoy it, that’s the reward. That’s the award. You got it. You won. People enjoyed it. You did something. They enjoyed it. Congratulations.
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01:21:13
Yes.
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01:21:14
And everything else is just jerking off. Yeah. You know? Like, it’s
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01:21:18
Well, they’ve become shows. Yeah. Now it’s just about the shah. And, it’s you you meh as well be watching, what’s the one where all the, you know, pretty people live in an apartment together and that ai of stuff.
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01:21:30
Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
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01:21:31
Ai my my buddy Rick Overton. You know Rick? Sure. Overton, the convenient I know
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01:21:35
him very well.
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01:21:35
I go way back with Rick. And and Rick did a thing, a voice over thing for an album of ours years ago. And he said well, he was talking about he goes, when did when did, a a dude, a a regular dude sitting in a hot tub with six models become fucking reality. You know? But, anyway, it’s Big brother. Right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. But it’s they’re all shows now. And Mhmm. And if you, they also look you in the eye.
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01:22:08
The ones I don’t dig are like, if you didn’t like let’s say you hated Landman, and you tell me that. You say, you know what? I don’t get it. I I just don’t get it. I can accept that. You know, I go, okay. Well, sorry, you know, they get jumped.
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01:22:22
Ai we’re having a great time on it, and, you know, a lot of people like it. But, you know, I respect that. It’s the ones who say, hey. I I love your you know, this is with journalists mostly. They’ll say, it’s the best show on TV.
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01:22:35
Then you read their article in their paper, wherever it is, in Sweden or whatever the ai it is, and they just rip you a new asshole. Yeah. And it’s like, that’s what I don’t respect. It’s like, if you don’t like it, tell me you don’t like it right now. Don’t get me to
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01:22:51
say a bunch
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of shit about it. Exactly. And then take the piss out of it. You know? That’s what’s what’s wrong. And I’ll I’ll tell you. Here’s one, Screen Actors Guild. I’ve been in the Screen Actors Guild since the mid eighties. I mean, a long time. I’ve done so many q and a’s for, Ai audiences.
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01:23:12
Out of all this and these are your peers. Now maybe if there’s an organization that gives out an award, maybe it’s political, maybe I don’t get it because they don’t like me or whatever it is. Okay. I get it. All the actors at a SAG thing will come up to me or any other actor based or entertainer based award where it’s actually your peers voting for you.
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01:23:39
If you go to the cocktail party after the q and a, they couldn’t be further up your ass. Then guess how many SAG Awards I have in all these years? I think one. And it was like a group an ensemble deal, and I think I’ve been nominated twice, maybe three times in a in a forty something year career in this.
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01:24:08
They have given me the least notice, my own cats who wanna be in the movie with me. Hey. See if you can get me a land man. You know, who you’re voting for, Adrian Bryden. You know, whoever it is. Whoever they voted for, it wasn’t me.
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01:24:25
Now I don’t give a
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shit.
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I really don’t care. When I do these q and a’s now, I do it because I like talking to actors and kinda giving them some information about what we do, hearing what their questions are, what they wanna know about. That’s why I do it now. Has nothing to do I actually have I told an audience in Boston last year. I said, do me a favor.
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01:24:45
Please don’t vote for me. I said, I’m not here to beg you for an award. So if you don’t wanna vote for me, don’t let me change your mind today because this is just I’m just talking to you guys right now. And I mean that. You know, I’m not just saying
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01:25:01
sai healthy perspective. That’s a good way to look at it. Yeah. The award thing is a weird thing. I think one of my favorite award show moments was Marlon Brando when he, he didn’t wanna accept his Academy Award, so he brought up this Native American woman.
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He
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talked about the plight of Native Americans in America. I remember that. And it turned out that wasn’t really a Native American woman.
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01:25:19
Right. And she
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was a crazy ai outed her. She wasn’t at all Native American. She’s just fucking nuts.
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01:25:26
Oh my gosh.
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01:25:27
She came up with a completely fake name.
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01:25:29
Oh, ai.
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01:25:30
Just went up there and and just, like, just was a nut and just got all this attention. And she tricked Marlon Brando and she tricked all those people and everybody’s like, you’re amazing. She’s amazing. And to me, that’s Hollywood. That that moment is what it’s really about.
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01:25:45
Oh, yeah.
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01:25:45
That and when they gave Will Smith a standing ovation after he smacked Chris Rock.
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01:25:50
Yeah.
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01:25:50
Like, okay. This is you guys. This is you’re you’re fucking insane. Right. You guys are nuts. You have no idea which way is north. Someone says it’s that way, ai, it’s that way. Right. Everybody runs in that direction.
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01:26:01
People have been given awards that didn’t actually win because they fucked something up. You know? And they and they can’t go back and say, well, actually you know? And, you know, it was on the show. It’s gotta stick, you know, and that ai of thing. But, it’s you reminded me of something that I thought was hilarious with the with the woman being a nut on this thing.
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01:26:24
Remember when there was a cat who was, I think it’s happened more than once now, but the original guy I sai, I think I don’t remember exactly. It might ai been somewhere in Africa, but some politician or somebody was giving a speak, And there was a cat Obama. Acting like the
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01:26:39
Sign language. Sign language guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:26:42
And he was doing stuff that looked like he was dancing like James Brown. It was like it was like it had nothing to do with sign language. I mean, he would literally flip around and do things like this. It’s like it’s like, I don’t know sign language. I know that wasn’t fucking sign language. You know?
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01:26:58
Well, sign language is also different everywhere you go. You know, there’s American sign language. There’s English sign language. It’s a completely different language. Yeah. Which is really weird.
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01:27:07
Yeah.
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01:27:07
Yeah. It’s very strange. Yeah. My buddy Moshe Kasher, he’s his parents were deaf. Right. So he can sign.
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01:27:13
Right.
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01:27:14
And he explained to me the whole thing and how unique it is. Yeah. And, you know, he can have full conversations with sign language, both alphabetically and with words and he can he could do sana ai language, both alphabetically and with words and he can he can do anything, but it’s American sign language.
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01:27:24
So if he went and tried to talk to someone in, you know, some other country Right. Even if they speak English, like, they have a totally different kind of sign language.
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01:27:32
So it’s just like actual language where if you and I go to China, we’re not gonna know what the fuck to say. Exactly. So in sign language yeah. And sign language is an important thing. That’s that’s one that’s a good thing that’s happened over last couple decades is they actually do, when there’s important information, they always have a signer there. You know?
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01:27:52
I think there’s a lawsuit right now to make the Trump administration bring sign language people back to those White House press briefings.
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01:28:02
Really?
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01:28:02
Yeah. I read something see if you can find that. I read something about that today. I’m like, why would they take that out? Why would you remove sign language thing? Yeah. I’ve had them on comedy shows ai. Like, if you perform at some theater and, like, there’s some sort of a mandatory requirement for a sign language person. Right.
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01:28:18
And so there’s someone that has to keep up with the jokes and explain,
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01:28:22
like, sarcasm
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01:28:23
while you’re in the middle. Wow. Like, it’s very weird.
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01:28:26
That’s sai very weird job.
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01:28:28
Well, I always fuck with the person too. Right. Ai I was like, this is so crazy.
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01:28:32
You have
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01:28:32
to you have to try to, decipher that. Here it is. Judge orders White House to use American ai language interpreters at briefings. Yeah. So were there not ones ever before? No. It says they stopped when They stopped during the Trump administration? Term in January. They stopped in January. Oh, that’s crazy. Wow.
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01:28:51
Well, that’s not smart.
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01:28:54
I don’t remember it much when I was growing up.
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01:28:57
I don’t remember it
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at all. Yeah.
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01:28:59
I don’t remember it at all. I I I knew it was a thing, but I I never saw it, like, at speeches or anything like that. But, yeah, it’s it’s important.
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01:29:08
So can I ask you a comedy question?
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01:29:10
Sure.
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01:29:11
Because it’s always fascinated me. I mean, people have have said to me before, like, especially if I get on a roll and I’ve had a few beers Yeah. They say, you ought to do it just, you know, just for one ai, just do a stand up in LA or New York or somewhere or Texas, wherever.
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01:29:27
And I’m like, it’s the scariest thing in the world to me. Like, I if you and I are just hanging out, you know, all of us, you know, having a beer
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01:29:37
Right.
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01:29:37
You know, Sai maybe I can be kind of funny ai, but Ai to get on a stage and here’s the the reason I I’m afraid of it is because if you’re doing a play, if you’re doing a, you know, a cat on a hot tin roof or whatever the hell it is, you don’t really know the reaction from the audience. I mean, it’s like they either love the shit out of this or they don’t get it or whatever, but you don’t know in the moment.
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01:30:03
If you’re a stand up comic, you have one reason to be up there, and that’s to make them laugh. So if you don’t make them laugh pretty soon, you’re fucked. And, I mean, I I I can’t imagine bombing as a comic. And I think about different, you know, people over the years that had a a very different type of comedy. You know?
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01:30:29
And like, Steven Wright,
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01:30:32
for instance. Perfect.
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01:30:33
Steven Wright who walks out there, doesn’t say shit to the audience for a minute, takes a drink of water, and then he goes so, last night, I accidentally put my car key into my door at my house and started my house up. I drove it around the block. Cop pulled me over and said, where do you live? I said, right here. You know?
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01:30:58
Or he goes he says, I bought some powdered water, only I don’t know what to mix it with. I mean, you know, that kind of stuff. So this is very sort of ai nobody ever did that before Right. Until he did that. And I’m like, what was it like in the beginning for that guy where people just going, the fuck are you talking about?
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01:31:17
Well, you
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01:31:17
know what’s interesting with him? He existed in there’s a great documentary on comedy in Boston called When Stand Up Stood Out. Okay. This guy, Ram Saloni, who was a comic in Bryden, created it. And it’s all about there’s a very Boston was a very unique environment in stand up where all these comedians were just doing stand up for Boston audiences.
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01:31:40
They just they didn’t travel. They just stayed there, and they were some of the best guys that have ever done stand up ever. Mhmm. But a lot of it was regional and a lot of it didn’t translate when they left Boston.
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01:31:51
Right.
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01:31:51
But they were so fucking good. And there was just a ai group of them. And some of them ai Lenny Clark broke through and Jay Leno, of course, and Louis CK came out of there, Bill Burr. A lot of guys broke through. Right? But there was a core group of guys that were a part of this there was a a a group that would perform at this Chinese restaurant that was also a comedy club called the Ding Ho.
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01:32:15
And the Ding Ho but I started in ’88, and it was already closed. It had closed ai, I think, ’84, ’85 or something like that. The guy was a gambler, lost all the money, and lost his fucking Chinese restaurant. The place went under. And but the the the scene still stayed, and everybody was just about the art. There was no way to be famous. It was impossible.
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01:32:36
You were locally known, you know, so you could perform at a club and people go, oh, Steve Sweeney is gonna be there. We’ll go see him. But when Steven Wright got on The Tonight Show, it fucked it up for everybody because everybody’s like, why him? Why not me? And they got mad. Wow.
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01:32:54
Because Stephen Wright had this very arya, absurdist act that translated perfectly to, like, a seven minute late night, you know, Johnny Carson set. And it it he he was the guy that broke out. He was the guy that broke out where all these fucking killers, man. And this one guy who’s just like weird and absurd was fucking crazy here and all fucked up, look a little strange.
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01:33:19
I used to work at a fire hydrant factory. You couldn’t park anywhere near the place. It was like those ai of jokes.
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01:33:28
Right. Exactly.
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01:33:29
And and a lot he created, like, a lot of resentment where these guys, like, were upset that this guy who didn’t do as good as them on stage was on The Tonight Show. What about me? And it, like, changed the thing that they were doing. Wow.
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01:33:45
That’s amazing. Which, like, when Steve Martin first came out, I worked, as a roadie, you know, for a lot of bands when I was a kid. And, so, you know, George Carlin, Richard Pryor, those guys, they created a thing we hadn’t seen before, you know, from anybody. I mean, Richard Pryor doing his as, like, stories. They weren’t jokes.
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01:34:08
They were just he would just start talking about these people he knew and then, you know, go through the stories. And Carlin, you know, coming up with all the that witty stuff, you know. Here’s some partial baseball scores, one, three, seven. You know, something like that. And so I was privileged as a kid to watch new brands of humor come out on TV that we could see.
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01:34:31
And I was roadying a couple of shows for the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, who I still kinda keep in touch with. And their opening act was Steve Arya because he plays banjo. So he played banjo before the Dirt Band came out. This is when I’m a teenager. And he did the arrow through the head, the whole thing. But he had kinda longer curly hair, and he wore buckskin clothes and played a banjo.
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01:34:56
And there’s a front of house guy, named Danny Smith who I worked for, you know, with the sound company. And, I was back there at the front of house console with him, and I see this guy come out, and I lost my mind. I I was screaming, crying, laughing, you know, with some of the shit he did because he just came out and just said, I’m gonna do the stupidest shit you’ve ever seen in your ai, and people are gonna laugh.
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Yeah.
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And it’s like you know? And what he would just do the whole excuse me or whatever. You know? And so here’s a guy coming out being over the top and putting arrows to his head and shit, and people couldn’t get enough of it. And before he did that, nobody else had ever done that.
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Right.
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And all of a sudden, here you got a guy that, you know, is doing it, and that became more the norm for a while. You know? It’s like it spawned a lot of other people. You know? It’s like when we did Bad Santa, there hadn’t been anything like that. Right. And the next thing you know, after bad Santa, there’s bad moms, bad teachers, bad grandpas, bad next door neighbors, you know, bad guy who works as the dry cleaners.
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You know? And so and and those will last for several years, you know, where you where people are are kind of getting that in their heads and they Right. Naturally, they’re influenced by it and and that brand lasts for a while.
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01:36:21
Like Yellowstone. There’s probably, like, a lot of Yellowstone type ideas that get Sure. Pitched after that.
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Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Steve Martin got so big that he decided to quit. Yeah. So he was doing stand up and he was ai, I lost all touch with the audience because anything I said was funny. Right. I lost, like, what’s real and what’s not real.
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Right. He was
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too big. And so he decided to not do it anymore. Uh-huh. Which is insane.
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Right.
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Because you really think about it ai this, the thing that he loved and he was at the time, like, one of the only acts that was doing arenas. I mean, he was probably one of the first comedians of all time
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Yeah.
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To do these huge places. Yeah. And people would come to see him as his variety act. It was part, you know, King Tut Tut. You know, you had the King Tut song and Oh, for sure. Let’s Get Small. Like, it was like it was it sai just so unique. And he just decided to step away from it and just do movies.
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And and sai wild because, you know, when you meh that thing about the the big arenas and stuff, another thing that’s scary to me about comedy is, like, if you’re not in a room where everybody gets every nuance, that would scare me. Ai mean, to be you know, of course, he was that big and he have and it was a big thing where people could see the big movements and stuff.
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01:37:37
But, you know, Lewis Black. Right?
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Sure.
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Lewis Black was, we played, this is probably, you know, at least a decade ago, probably more. And, we played at in Milwaukee at County Stadium. And, it was a a biker rally deal we’re playing at. And, we came on before Kid Rock. So we play our set. There are 250,000 people at this thing.
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Wow.
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And it was ai, you know, half of Woodstock. And, so we went out there and, you know, had a great show. We come off and everything. Well, Lewis was there. So aside from the main ai stage where the concerts are going on, they have one of those blow up tents, you know, the ones where the sound’s never good in there.
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Right. Right. And it look you know, it looks like, you know, the Dallas Cowboys training facility tent or whatever it is like that. So Lewis comes by the bus to say, hey. We talked for a few minutes. And, I knew him from the Sunset Marquee.
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We would he would be in the bar there sometimes in LA. And, so we’re talking, and I said, yeah, man. It’s a huge crowd out there. He goes, no. You guys are awesome. He goes, you you don’t have anything to worry about out here. They loved you.
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01:38:53
He goes, try doing comedy in a blow up tent with people in folding chairs. He goes, that’s that’s not fun. You know? And especially with a guy like him whose whole thing is about anger and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And you got people in their little folding chairs in a blow up tent, you know, with probably some shitty microphone. You know?
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01:39:12
Yeah. Those shows are always hell. It’s ai festival shows Right. Or shows where they have, like, a bunch of different things going on simultaneously. There’s a band over there, and there’s a comedy tent over here. Ai done a few of those. It’s horrible. They’re always hell. Yeah. Yeah. They always do it.
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Different stages. So you got, like, five bands Uh-huh. And you could hear every one of them, and you’re trying to, you know, be funny.
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01:39:34
Yeah. It’s that’s not a good environment for comedy. Yeah. I mean, I’ve done a lot of different kinds of comedy, ai, arenas, theaters, comedy clubs is really where it’s supposed to. Right. Everybody agrees with that.
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01:39:48
Oh, yeah.
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Because you I think what comedy is is it you’re performing, you’re doing but you’re also hypnotizing people.
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Right.
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What you’re doing is you’re getting them to think the way you think. You’re putting people into your mindset. When when I watch a comic that’s really good, when they’re on stage, I let them think for me. I’m like, ai, think for me. Take me on a trip. Right. Take me on a trip to the way you think of things and you lock in with this and it’s much easier to do that.
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It feels ai as an audience member, it’s much easier to get locked in if there’s only a 100 other people in the room with you or 200 other people in the room. Right. But as soon as you get to ai 16,000, it starts getting weird. It starts getting it’s a different thing. Now it’s a show. It’s a big shah.
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For sure.
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And you’re not, like, re the only exception is the round. The round is weird because the stage is like this little circle and everyone’s around you and it’s oddly intimate. Even if there’s ai even if I’ve I’ve done the round in Madison Square Bryden. So there’s ai 16,000 people in there. But Right.
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Because they’re all looking at each other, everyone sees everybody’s face. Right. Right. It’s intimate now. Yeah.
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Now it’s not a separation between the crowd and the performer who’s on the stage. Now we’re all in this together. It’s like a big hug. It’s very weird.
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01:41:02
That’s that’s an interesting point. Yeah. We’ve played shows with a band like that in certain theaters where of course, for a loud ass band like we are, sometimes we’re a little big for the ram, but, you know, but that that’s an interesting point, especially the thing about people being able to see each other because then you don’t wanna be the dick that everybody’s going, I wish that guy shah the fuck up.
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Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Ai they’re gonna they’re right there.
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Because, you know, in the coliseum, these cats in the back just hooting and hollering and shit, not paying any attention. You know, it’s a different thing. Can I pee?
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01:41:35
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let’s we’ll pause right here. We’ll be right back, ladies and gentlemen.
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01:41:40
Ai I can throw this in a cup.
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01:41:42
Doesn’t matter unless you want to.
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01:41:44
Oh, I don’t care.
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01:41:45
No. It doesn’t matter. Yeah. Bud Light’s cool. They sponsor the UFC. So Yeah. And we’re back. Where were we? What were we talking about?
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Well, we were on comedy, and then I just talked about Lewis Black. And then Yeah.
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01:42:00
We’re talking about fear. Yeah. Fear of performing. Yeah. And hypnosis. Yeah. About it’s ai of like hypnosis. Yeah. So we’re it’s a weird art form, but, yeah, the bombing is horrible, but it’s also the the killing is the greatest feeling of all time. So it’s like the only way you get one is with the possibility of the other. Right. You know?
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01:42:20
The only reason why you’re willing to go through the bombing is because you know how great it feels when you’re not bombing.
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Right.
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You know? And killing is so great because you know that it it doesn’t have to work out. It could take it could be terrible. Yeah. But it’s a it’s a weird art form and it’s a very new one. Mhmm. That’s the really I think, in my opinion, real modern stand up, you could trace back to one ai. It’s Lenny Bruce. Yeah.
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01:42:46
Without him, I don’t think there is I mean, it probably would have been invented eventually.
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01:42:50
Right.
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But he’s the guy. Like, that’s Sure. We have one person and we have film of him. It’s it’s not like the first guy to pick up a guitar. Like, who’s that guy? Yeah. Try finding him. Like, who invented the fucking drums? Like, good luck.
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Because they didn’t really like you sai, before him, that wasn’t I mean, you he made comedy performers, stand up comedians ai rock stars, you know. I mean, it was before that ai all the controversy and all that kind of thing. Because before that, it was like variety shows. If you have Bob Hope and those guys, they’re they’re always on some TV shah. There’s usually them and someone else.
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01:43:29
Yes.
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You know? And, yeah. Ai, did you ever know Rodney Dangerfield?
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01:43:34
Yes. I didn’t know him well, but I did meet him. And funny enough, I worked when I when I was 19, I worked as a security guard at Great Woods Center for the Performing Arts. It’s ai this, amphitheater in Massachusetts. Mhmm. And Rodney was performing there. And it was at the stage of Rodney’s life where he only wore a bathrobe on stage Right.
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01:43:55
Buck naked with slippers in a bathrobe. And Ai saw Rodney when I was working there, I was, like, by the backstage arya. Ai saw Rodney walking in the hallway pacing with his fucking bathrobe on. I’m like, this is the greatest thing of all time. This ai just gonna go out there in a bathrobe. This was 1986.
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01:44:17
Wow.
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Yeah. And so he went out there with his fucking bathrobe and just
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01:44:21
murdered. Murder.
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01:44:22
I meh, murdered. Oh, yeah. The poor people were falling out of their chairs
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01:44:26
Oh, yeah.
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Dying laughing, and I was ai, this is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. This guy’s in a fucking bad you wanna talk about not giving a fuck? Right. He really didn’t give a fuck anymore. And there’s I want I wish I had known him where I could have asked him ai the bathrobe. Like, what was it about that?
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01:44:43
I’ve but I’ve gotta think that it was, like, the ultimate not caring, the ultimate relaxing. When are you ever more relaxed than when you get out of the shower? Just put on a fucking bathrobe. Yep. Ai dick swinging out there in the wind, and he just walked out in front of the whole crowd like that.
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01:44:59
Yeah.
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15,000 people watching Rodney in a bathrobe just murdering.
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01:45:04
Nick Nolte used to do that.
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01:45:05
Did he really?
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Nolte would do press junkets and interviews with his pajamas on and a robe.
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01:45:13
Wow. He
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did it for years. Yeah. And Nolte just was like, meh, I just wanna be comfortable. You know? Nolte had one of the greatest sayings, for when somebody would come up, to him who was a fan or whatever. You know? And, ai he was just messing with ai. Maybe he wasn’t serious. But, somebody come and say, mister Nolte, I don’t wanna bother you, and he’d go, too late.
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01:45:42
I met Nick Nolte in the nineties because, I was on a show called NewsRadio, and, one of the stars of the show was Vicky Lewis. And Vicky Lewis was dating Nick Nolte at the ai, so he was always hanging around.
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01:45:55
I knew Vicky.
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And, I got to know him. He was a really fucking nice guy. And then one ai, I’m in Fry’s Electronics going to get a motherboard. That was back in the days where I would make my own computers. I would I would ai build my own computers and play video games on them. So I’d like meh great motherboards and really good video card and all that jazz.
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01:46:14
And, I see this dude with glasses on who’s like going over this box sana, Ai go I go, hey, ram. What’s up? He goes, oh, hey, Joe. And it was ai, to me is the coolest thing in the world that Nick Nolte knew who I was. Right.
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01:46:29
Outside of the set, like, outside of the set, it was normal. Ai the set rather was normal. He’s there with Vicky, ai, he says to hide everybody.
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01:46:35
Oh, yeah.
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01:46:36
So you know but, like, to meet him in an electronics store, I was like, this is the craziest thing of all time. Oh, yeah. I’m, like, 27 at the time. I’m like, this is just so nuts. I’m I know Nick Nolte. This is fucking insane.
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01:46:47
That’s amazing. I I knew Vicky too. She skinny little red haired Yeah. Gal. Yeah.
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01:46:52
Crazy voice.
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Oh, right.
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01:46:54
Ai my god. Could she sing? Yeah. Oh my god. You’re good. Powerful voice.
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01:46:58
Yeah.
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So, like, a talent. Like, wow. That’s that to me is one of the most impressive things when someone could just sing their fucking ass off ai because I can’t sing at all. So when I hear someone sing like that, I’m like, God, what can you do with your voice? That is insane. The the the beauty of a good song is like, man, it’s one of the most misunderstood things that we love because I think it’s it’s an art form that creates a response in people that’s just like a drug.
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01:47:35
Ai, if there’s a drug that you could take that made you feel like when Ai Rider comes on the radio and it’s just the right time to hear it, like maybe you just had a shot, you know, and your buddy tells you something, you’re like, oh, yeah, man. That was fucking great. And then all of a sudden, do do do do do
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do do do. Fuck yeah. You know what I mean?
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01:47:56
It’s just
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Oh, yeah.
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It’s like, oh, yeah. And everybody’s like, whoo. It’s like this it’s a drug.
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01:48:02
It really is a drug. And and some songs are made for the car. Yeah. And then other songs are made for a home.
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01:48:10
Yeah.
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They’re just laying around, like, especially back in my hippie days. You know, it’s like you weren’t gonna listen to King Crimson or Pink Floyd in the car.
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01:48:17
Right. Yeah.
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You’d run off the road.
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01:48:19
You know? Right.
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01:48:20
But Midnight Rider
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01:48:22
Oh, Midnight Rider is the car song. That is the car that and Radar Love.
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01:48:26
Oh, yeah. Radar Love. That’s another one. I saw those cats live.
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01:48:29
Really?
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01:48:30
Golden Earring. They opened they opened for, Ram Zappa and the Mothers of Invention.
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01:48:36
Oh, wow. Yeah. And Wow.
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01:48:39
A Dutch band. Yeah.
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01:48:41
Oh, wow. That’s wild. Yeah. That was a song I used to listen to when I go to visit my girlfriend. She was in Western Massachusetts. It was, like, an hour and a half drive. I listened to Ai I Love. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She’s driving on that man’s wheel on the wheel.
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01:48:57
It’s one of those songs that make
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you think you are the guy in the song. Oh, yeah. You you’re the star of the song. Yeah. Yeah. There’s songs like that. Like like, Shooting Star by Bad Company.
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01:49:08
Oh, yeah.
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01:49:08
You know, everybody wants to be that guy. Yeah. Everybody you’re like, yeah. That’s me, man.
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01:49:12
Oh, yeah.
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01:49:13
Ai gonna be a superstar, then I’m gonna die ai, and everyone’s gonna miss me. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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01:49:18
It was like in the John Lennon documentary where that cat that homeless hippie cat comes up to his door, you know, and he’s kinda starving and stuff. And he and he says I don’t know if you ever saw it, but he he’s obviously been living in the bushes, you know. And and, he thinks that one of Lennon’s songs was about him.
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01:49:36
Oh, no.
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I think he probably had a little schizophrenia or something, you know. And he was and Lennon answered the door, you know, and was talking to him. It’s in the documentary. And he he says, well, when you’re singing that, I mean, it was like Sai felt that, you know, you’re singing about me and it’s like and Lennon just said, no.
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01:49:54
He goes, I only write songs about me. He said he said, I don’t know about your life. He goes, I I just all I write about is my experience with stuff. So it’s not about you, but he says, are you hungry? And the guy goes, yeah.
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01:50:06
Next thing you know, he invites them in and they eat and stuff like that at his house. But, sometimes, you know, some art form can influence people so much that they identify with it so much that it becomes that to them. Especially people who have some mental issues or something like that can they can really speak to ai. Yeah. I mean, you know, sometimes in a negative way.
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01:50:32
I mean, once again, John Lennon, that ram, you know. I mean, meh, Catcher in the Rye. Mhmm. Catcher in the Ai. He thought he was that cat in there.
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01:50:42
You know?
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01:50:43
Yeah. Well, people are very malleable. Mhmm. And some people, mentally ill people, extremely. And something, one song, one book, one movie can Ai mean, how many people went nuts after they watched Taxi Driver?
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01:50:58
Oh, yeah.
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I’d like to know that. Like, how many people thought they were Travis?
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01:51:01
Yeah. You know? For sure.
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01:51:03
Yeah. That was that was a fucking intense performance. Yeah. De Niro in the early days, goddamn that guy.
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01:51:11
Yeah. He was great. Really great. You know? It’s, and, you know, it’s funny how many comedies he does now playing a dad or a grandpa.
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01:51:21
Yeah. Angry From your career. Right? Yeah. Meet the fuckers.
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01:51:25
Right. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That’s so funny. You know, Duvall, my mentors, you know, were Duvall and, Bruce Dern Oh, wow. And and guys like vatsal. And and the fact that, not only did I get to meet them, but work with them several times a piece. And and, you’ve once you know everybody, you start to sometimes you hate to hear yourself talk because I’ll be talking to some younger actor, you know, who’s ai 25 or 30, and they’ll say, oh, yeah.
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01:52:04
I really love that movie sai and so with, you know, with Robert Duvall. I go, yeah. Well, he’s he’s my mentor. He brought me up. And it’s like and, yeah. Look at it. I watched some of the old movies too. I’ve, you know, like, I always thought Lauren Bacall was so hot. Yeah.
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01:52:20
I I knew Lauren Bacall. And it’s ai, then you start to sound like an asshole because Right. But it’s just a fact. You do know him and and but
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01:52:28
It’s a different reality though for you.
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01:52:30
It is a different reality. And you get used to it to the point where, you just look at all of these legends who you know. Yeah. I mean, I knew Gregory Peck very well, Elizabeth Taylor, all of them, and, Roddy McDowell. And I got so used to it that I I would forget most of the time, you know.
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01:52:54
And then every now and then, you go, I’m talking to fucking Lauren Bacall.
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01:53:00
Right. Right. Right. Right.
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01:53:02
Who’s Bogart’s ai.
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01:53:03
Yeah.
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01:53:04
I mean, are you shitting me? And, so I still pinch myself sometimes. I mean, I’ve been really blessed, to have met a lot of great heroes of mine, you know, and and become friends with. Right now, I’m working with Sam Elliott. Sam and I have known each other since, ai, probably late eighties, somewhere in there. Worked together twice before, but a couple of scenes at a time, Tombstone in 1883.
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01:53:31
But, kept up with each other over the years. And here’s another guy who’s who was more of a mentor from a distance. I just always admired Ram, and now I work with him every day.
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01:53:41
That’s wild.
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01:53:42
And it’s amazing. You know? It’s gotta be weird. Right? It’s so wild that, he’s such a sweet meh, such a great actor. But when he and I do scenes together, it’s literally like you and I talking right now. Right. It’s it’s that natural just to we’re we’ve essentially talked to each other off, you know, when when they cut, it’s no different than the scene we just did. Yeah.
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01:54:09
You know what I mean?
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01:54:10
Yeah. Well, that’s when he’s been doing it so long. He’s so good. It’s just he’s so relaxed that even though you know it’s Sam Elliott, you believe he’s whoever the fuck he’s playing. Because there’s it’s a there’s a naturalness to it. Ai, you’re talking about with yourself. There’s a naturalness to it.
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01:54:26
And that that translates when people are watching a film or watching a television show with that, which television shows aren’t even really television shows anymore. Ai, I don’t think Landman’s a television show. It’s a long movie.
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01:54:39
It’s a ten hour movie.
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01:54:40
Yeah. It’s just it’s ai, what is which is the beautiful thing about streaming.
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01:54:45
Yeah.
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01:54:45
You know, that’s really when you got shows like Ozark and Stranger Things and it really started with The Sopranos Mhmm. Where you’re doing it’s essentially ai a really long film. Mhmm. It’s not I mean, it’s on television, but it’s what does that mean anymore? Fucking everything’s on television.
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01:55:01
Most people watch movies on television. Like, what does that mean anymore? It’s just a distribution device to for whatever art you’re doing. Yeah. And on those kind of shows, like, it’s so important for you to buy it. You know, it’s you get this you’ve got this character.
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01:55:20
It’s not just one guy in a film, like, ai, I’m not buying that guy.
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01:55:24
Right.
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01:55:24
It’s it’s something about he he sounds like an actor.
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01:55:27
Right.
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01:55:27
You know? Yeah. Versus nine, ten, 11 episodes in saloni season, like, I gotta believe Mhmm. That guy. Yeah. I gotta be For sure. Yeah. And the the naturalness is the thing, you know, like Yeah. There’s a great scene in Landman where you’re explaining, which I loved. You’re explaining windmills and what green energy and how how ai fucking horseshit this all is for you to feel good about yourself. I fucking love that scene.
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01:55:57
But I know you’re Billy Bob Thornton.
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01:56:01
Right.
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01:56:02
But in that scene, you’re that fucking dude who works for an oil company who’s ai, shut the fuck up. What are you talk do you know the fuck you’re even talking about?
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01:56:12
Right.
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01:56:12
It’s because of that naturalness that that works.
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01:56:17
Yeah. It was that that scene was, I mean, it became huge. I mean, it was all over the Internet, that scene. And, I mean, when I I run into an oil guy wherever it is, I mean, you know, mainly Texas, but wherever I am, they always bring that scene up and thank me and, you know, thanks for showing people what this is.
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01:56:38
And and, you know, I I do get questions, you know, obviously, because of the nature of the show. People try to politicize everything. And the fact of the matter is is that Taylor, with that show is not taking a side. He’s just saying, here’s a look behind the curtain at how this works. Yeah.
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01:56:57
And it’s about, how are the people who work in that industry, whether you’re on the suit side or you’re out there in the fields, and if you’re the family of, like I have the family in the show, it it’s just this is how it works, and this is how it affects the people who work in it.
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01:57:20
This is how dangerous it is. Here’s how much of a gamble it is, and here are all the other crazy people circling your world, in my case, the family. You know? And, it’s, when I did that scene, I was committed to it, you know, because when I read it and Tyler very good about writing gigantic monologues for me.
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01:57:43
Yeah.
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01:57:44
And, when something makes sense to you dialogue wise, it’s it’s easy to do a long monologue. If you don’t know what it means, it’s harder to learn the dialogue. If if you understand what the person has written, I’m not saying if you agree with or disagree with it, but if you understand what they’re saying, it’s actually easier to do a monologue than it is to do a back and forth scene with people sometimes.
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01:58:12
I bone more lines on a back and forth conversation than I do when I’m just sitting there telling somebody something. Right. Like Jerry Jones’ sana.
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01:58:21
And then,
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you know, Jerry was telling his life story. Right. I mean, it wasn’t Taylor wrote something there for him, you know, because he’d heard the story before from Jerry. But, if it had been written and Taylor sai, you gotta ai, you know, you gotta say these words, Jerry probably wouldn’t have done it, been able to do it.
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01:58:42
But the fact that Taylor said, just tell that story you told me. Yeah. It’s his story. Yeah. It’d be like if I ask you, tell me your life story.
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01:58:50
Right.
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01:58:50
You can do that.
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01:58:51
Right.
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01:58:51
And if you get a a person who’s not an actor to be themselves, they’re better than actors. You know? I’ve I’ve always found that. I’ve I’ve cast people in movies that never been in one before. I just don’t tell them we’re rolling. Ai I really don’t. In Sling Blade, the guy Rick Dial who played the guy ai ran the fix it shop, ai kind of big guy, I went to school with him since the third bryden, and I always thought this guy could be an actor.
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01:59:18
You know? And when we did, the first scene with him there in the in his shop when, Jimmy Hampton brought me over there and sai, this is Carl. He’s gonna work here,
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01:59:28
all that stuff. You know?
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01:59:30
I just went to Rick and I said, dude and Brent Briscoe who played Scooter, the guy could never fix anything. And, I said, look, Rick, the camera crew, they don’t have their shit together. You know? I sai, they’re gonna have to get some marks and do a bunch of stuff, so this is not on us.
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01:59:46
So we’re gonna run the scene, but we’re not really filming it. Just say the dialogue. If you fuck something up, don’t worry about it. He was letter perfect. Once we started saying action and shit, then all of a bryden, it got a little different. Most stuff in Sling Ai was a first take.
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02:00:04
Wow. Yeah. And, because he’s relaxed. Yeah. Yeah. The pressure of the moment. Action. Action is a crazy word.
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02:00:11
I hate it. I I don’t even usually, when I’m directing, I don’t direct much anymore. But when I do, Ai just kinda say, well, you know, you guys go whenever you’re ready. You know? And but then you have ADs and PAs out there on their radios and shit, and they’re all screaming shah. And it’s like Yeah. Yeah. Don’t disrupt the flow here.
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02:00:34
Just let the cats do it. You know? I mean, Clint Eastwood has been known to say, you know, jokingly, but, instead of cut, he sometimes an actor I know worked with Clint, and he said, when when Clint was satisfied with the scene, he just goes, okay. That’s enough of that shit instead of cut.
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02:00:54
But,
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02:00:55
What was the process of, like, deciding to do Sling Bryden? Like, how did like, any you know, you’re obviously trying to find a vehicle for yourself, and they’re not offering it to you, so you create it yourself. But, like, what was the process? Like, how did you decide to do that guy? Like, what was it?
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02:01:15
It’s it’s a story that nobody believes. I’ve told it a couple of times, and nobody believes it and it’s the absolute truth. Ai was doing one scene. I think there were two scenes, but it was one of them was cut out of the thing. It was I think it was an HBO movie or something that starred Val Kilmer. And I was playing a railroad conductor in the nineteen twenties.
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02:01:44
It was based on an old movie with Paul Muni, called, I’m a Fugitive from a Chain Gang. Old movie from, I guess, the thirties. And, they remade it and called it The Man Who Broke a Thousand Chains. I played a railroad conductor who had ai a wool fucking thing off of the twenties and they had the, you know, the old twenties haircut with the ai sides pretty much shaved off, you know, and this ai of stuff.
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02:02:12
And, we’re shooting in Riverside, California at this old railroad museum. And, an old director named, Daniel Mann who directed Tea House of the August Moon with Brando and some other movies, he’d come out of retirement to do this. He was an old cat. As a matter of fact, he was so old school that when I went to read for him, there was a casting director named Kathy Henderson who was always good to meh.
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02:02:37
So she’d always get me in to see the director. And he was sitting there behind the desk, He had a little gray goatee and glasses, and and I I just talked to him for a few minutes, and then I read a couple of lines with him. It’s just me and him. And he literally said, kid, I got a pot for you in this picture. And it was like, what am Sai? What what is that?
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02:03:01
Louis Mayer? Who the fuck was I just talking to? You know? And so they put me in the thing. And this was in the eighties. And I’m burning up.
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02:03:12
You know, Riverside, California, it’s hotter as shit out there. It was in the summer. So I’m in a wool suit with a conductor hat on and just sweating my ass off. And, I go in, and this was in the days when I was still in a honey wagon. So there’s just a little tiny room, you know, a little bathroom and a little couch just ai that wide.
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02:03:31
And, at at lunch, I went in, and I put the air conditioner on. I took that conductor hat off. And, I looked at myself in the meh, and I thought, you sorry ai of a bitch. You’re never gonna make it doing any of this shit. Music, movies, nothing.
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02:03:49
You’re just you know, ai are you out here, you know, to make, you know, three or four hundred bucks for a day to and Val Kilmer is a big star and you’re just some idiot with a couple of lines, you know. And I literally made that face in the mirror at myself. Wow. Made the face, and I started talking in that voice because I was so in a moment of self loathing that I literally started going at myself in the mirror.
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02:04:19
I did that monologue to the girl that’s the college student who comes to interview me in the beginning of the movie. It’s like a nine minute monologue. I did that monologue in the mirror to myself right there and never wrote it down. And I can remember it to this day, because I have all these weird afflictions.
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02:04:41
You know, I have terrible anxiety and have obsessive compulsive disorder really bad, and I grew up dyslexic and, you know, kind of an edge of the spectrum ai guy. And, I always had the ability to remember stuff. I have a photographic memory. I’m dumb as a bag of hair in every other aspect of life, but I have a photographic memory.
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02:05:05
And even if it’s not something I read on a page, it’s up here. And, so I meh that monologue, and then I realized that I was talking about certain things that were actually in my life. The idea of him living out back in a in this shed, just sleeping in a hole back there, and the family would bring him his food and stuff ai he was a creature and stuff like that.
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02:05:30
That was based on a guy in, Alpine, Arkansas that, lived there. The story was that, his mother was scared by a snake when she was pregnant. You know? Oh, you know
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02:05:43
Right. Right.
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02:05:44
Southern lore shah. And, or the father was drunk when he was conceived. You know? But, actually, he had, polio and was what the real deal was. He walked funny. He talked funny and everything. So Carl is largely based on a a combination of this guy, Ed, in in our town and, Frankenstein.
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02:06:11
Mhmm. You
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02:06:11
know, Frankenstein and the kid and the, you know, the sort of not knowing any better. You know? Yeah. And, you know, it’s like the well, I was told by the parents in the Ai, it says, you know, if you see some you know, you know, like sai is bad or whatever it was, he sees his mother with his cat, Jesse Dixon, and he kills her.
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02:06:33
She told him to do that. You know? So that’s where it all came from. And, I started doing it as part of a one man show in the theater back in the late eighties. And, ram that one man shah, that that whole character was born. And then, I wrote a short film and we did that.
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02:06:54
And, that’s why I got best adapted to screenplay Oscar was from that. It wasn’t, I mean, it was my original screenplay, but it was adapted ram my own thing. And so that’s that’s how that came
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02:07:08
about. You went to do a one man show, did you ever think that you wanna make it into a film? Or was it just like, I wanna put this on its legs and just whatever this idea I have in my head, I wanna make something out of it?
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02:07:19
At the at that time, when I was doing it in the theater, I Sai didn’t think much beyond that. Couple of years later, I started thinking about it, and Ai thought that that’s the story. And I knew the story before I ever wrote it. I wrote it in nine days. And my my oldest sana, Willie, was actually on my lap most of the time while I was writing on paper because I don’t know how to type.
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02:07:44
And, so Ai just wrote it on, you know, paper ai a tablet like that. You know? And, eventually, you know, we made that a little short, and then these guys that made it short wanted to make it into a feature, but they had this whole other idea about it about they wanted to show what happened when I was a kid and show me murdering the mother.
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02:08:09
I said, yeah. It’s the wrong thing to do. So I made it myself. And I directed a documentary on Widespread Panic, the band out of Athens, Georgia and Colonel Bruce Hampton. But that’s the only directing experience I’d had and I didn’t know shit about it. But I knew the story, you know.
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02:08:29
And I got Barry Markowitz, my DP and, you know, got some guys and, asked John Ritter who I was working with at the ai, you wanna play a gay guy from Sai Louis who moves to a little town in Millsburg? And he goes, yeah. I’ll do it. None of us thought this thing was gonna do what it did.
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02:08:46
I thought my mom and my brothers and people like that would see it, and that was it. And it became not ai. Yeah.
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02:08:54
Well, how weird was that?
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02:08:55
Very weird. Very weird. Yeah. I mean, when when they say overnight success, that literally was the moment. I mean, I I had a name within the movie business from this movie called One False Move, that we did in ’90 or sai, ’89 or ’90. But, so people were you already had made deals to write screenplays for various studios and stuff. But, and I was getting acting work here and there.
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02:09:22
But when I did Sling Bryden, it literally I I woke up one morning, and Ai was not only a millionaire, but hugely popular. And it it it freaked me out. I mean, I appreciated every moment of it. But really when you’re going through those times, you it’s such a a tyler, you know, how how quickly it happened and everything that, I mean, to this day, I think back on it.
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02:09:50
You know? I
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02:09:53
think, ai? How the fuck?
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02:09:55
I can’t hear. And Ai don’t think you could get that movie made now. I don’t I think a lot of movies that I’ve done, you couldn’t get them made now. I don’t think there’s an audience that would either tolerate it or, be interested in it, you know, because most of my writing is based on novelists and not screenwriters.
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02:10:14
I’ve I’ve stayed out of Hollywood my whole career pretty much, you know, other than the high profile, relationships maybe. You know, other than that, I’m, I haven’t associated with Hollywood much. And, it was just, you know, thinking back and going, how how did I become a movie star?
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02:10:35
Shit.
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02:10:36
I think you could do it today because I don’t think anybody had ever done it when you did it.
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02:10:41
No. That’s that’s true.
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02:10:43
You know what I mean?
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02:10:44
That’s true. But I think because maybe well, see, Slingblade, first of all, it’s it’s not a comedy. There’s funny stuff in it. But a lot of people come up to me and they say, man, that Carl, he’s funnier than shit. And it’s like, well, if you think about what it’s really about, it’s not that funny.
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02:11:07
But I I just think because of the of the climate, you know, it’s like, well, is he making fun of a mentally challenged ai, you know, you know, bad Santa? I mean, it’s like you can’t be that crass anymore or whatever. And I
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02:11:25
think you still can.
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02:11:26
Yeah? Yeah. I mean, I I
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02:11:28
don’t know how do, people will will go to see it. It’s just you’ll get a lot more pushback now because people think that they can and that they can stop things and cancel you and all that jazz. But the reality is, if it’s entertaining, if it resonates with people, they wanna see it. Right. It’s just nobody wants to find it. That’s like comedies have died.
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02:11:46
Like Right.
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02:11:47
When was
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02:11:47
the last time there’s a really good comedy movie? It’s hard to make because of all this Mhmm. Pushback. All these people that freak out about things and, you know, if you don’t like it, don’t don’t go see it.
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02:11:59
That’s my opinion.
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02:12:01
You don’t like rap music? You don’t like people talking about that? Don’t don’t listen to it. You don’t like this? Don’t don’t go see it.
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02:12:07
Absolutely. That that that’s exactly what I believe. I actually think that critics maybe should only do reviews on things they like. I mean, because Right. What good
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02:12:21
Right. What are you trying
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02:12:22
to do? What are you trying to do with the with the terrible review? So they claim that they’re trying to protect the public from this atrocity. And I don’t understand why they think that they are the savior Right. Of everybody’s $15 or whatever. Right. That is like, you know, I can’t believe I, you know, saw this movie. It would, like, wasted two hours of my life. I’ll never get back.
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02:12:50
It’s like you know when people storm out of a theater? Yeah. It’s like, I stormed out of the theater. You know? It’s ai, because of a fucking movie?
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02:12:59
I mean, seriously? I mean, just go in there. And if you don’t dig it, you don’t dig it, don’t worry about it. You know? Just tell the public, hey.
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02:13:08
You know? I I’m nobody, but I saw this movie recently. It was pretty fucking good. You might wanna go see it. As opposed to this vile piece of shit, blah blah blah. You know?
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02:13:18
It’s like to to have that type of arrogance, to think that you are informing them that they should stay away from something, like you know shah, you know. So I don’t get that part. I mean
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02:13:32
Oh, because you’re not gross. It’s a gross profession. I mean, do you remember when, Siskel and Ebert were, like, the re that that if you didn’t get two thumbs up, you were fucked. Fucked. Those two guys had so much goddamn power, and now we know they’re both twats. They both hated each other.
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02:13:51
And that
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02:13:51
you ever see the videos, the two guys just bitching out each other? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They’re talking about don’t fuck this up. Like, you fucked up the last one. Right. Oh, you guys fucked that up. And ai like, these are the guys? Well, you have the worst fucking personalities.
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02:14:04
And you’re telling everybody what’s a good film, what’s not a good film?
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02:14:08
But fortunately, they liked meh. But, it
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02:14:11
There’s certain things that are undeniable. But it’s like that one of the things that I think is great today is audience score. Like audience score of a film Mhmm. Versus critic score. And they’re oftentimes completely lopsided.
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02:14:24
Yes.
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02:14:25
Like, the I pay attention to audience score. Like, do people like that movie? If critics like the movie and people hate it Yeah. Maybe they’re not getting
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02:14:33
it. Right.
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02:14:33
Maybe it’s just esoteric. Maybe it’s weird. Maybe I’ll maybe I’ll really like it then. Mhmm. But generally speaking, like, the critic score is not as interesting to me as was the audience score.
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02:14:44
Right. That’s
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02:14:44
who it’s made for.
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02:14:45
Absolutely. And that’s who I pay attention to. Yeah. I Sai sana the fans. I want the audience, you know, because critics, like I said earlier, you know, there are so many critics now
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02:14:58
Yeah.
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02:14:58
That I mean, critics to begin with are generally not no human is qualified to judge any piece of arya, I mean, to start with. I mean, it’s like if you don’t like something or it doesn’t strike you or you see some ai silly shit that’s kind of not made well or whatever, that’s that’s fine.
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02:15:18
But but how can you have a profession where individuals can tell everybody in the world what they should think about something? It’s a bizarre world to me. And like you said earlier, like with awards, it’s it’s not like sports. You know, how can you win an award that is an intangible thing? Yeah.
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02:15:45
I mean, if if you run a 100 meter dash in the Olympics and you’re the first son of a bitch that breaks the tape, you won. Yeah. How in the hell do you know if I won? Right. You know what I mean?
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02:16:00
A movie
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02:16:01
Oh, a movie.
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02:16:02
Versus that movie versus this movie. Yeah. Yeah. And God forbid, you you’re in a year where there’s some sort of socially conscious film that that has to win. Like, if it doesn’t win, then who are these monsters that are voting? You know? You didn’t vote for the socially conscious film? Like, how dare you?
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02:16:21
And, yeah, the socially conscious film and also the one with the music that tells you exactly what you’re supposed to feel every moment. Yes. That’s You know?
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02:16:29
That’s the weirdest thing that we all accepted about films is that there’s music and scenes. That is a weird thing.
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02:16:35
Yeah. It is. It is.
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02:16:36
It it just happens and it’s normal because we’ve been around it our entire you know, Darth Vader comes out. Yeah. It’s always said like that. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like Do do.
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02:16:47
It’s ai, here comes the shark. We see the fucking shark, dude. It’s ai, it’s the shark is about to eat Robert Shaw. Yeah. We’re scared already. There’s something eerie
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02:16:57
about a film that doesn’t have music now.
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02:16:58
It’s ai, there is.
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02:17:00
This is this seems too real.
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02:17:01
Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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02:17:02
Ai, at least when there’s music playing in Ai, you know, you know, it makes it, like, a little less a little more palatable. Yeah. The other issue with critics is that they don’t wanna be critics. I don’t think anybody wants to criticize other people’s art. They just don’t have anything to contribute.
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02:17:20
Ai, if they did, they would probably stop being critics and be novelists
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02:17:25
Sure.
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02:17:25
Or be screenwriters or whatever it is. Oh, yeah. They just so generally speaking, the people that gravitate towards that don’t have something to contribute to art. So they’re just professional haters. Yeah. So most of that’s why they love to write bad reviews. Yeah. And they write the they ai the the most vicious, I’m gonna destroy his career.
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02:17:46
The way he portrayed that role, you know, they just try to find the most biting way to dismiss you and just shut you down. But it’s the individual, like, the the type of human that’s doing that for a living. Yeah. That’s not necessarily anybody you wanna aspire to be.
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02:18:04
Well, no. And that’s why, like you said, it’s the audience.
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02:18:08
Yes.
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02:18:08
That’s who you’re doing this for.
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02:18:10
Yeah.
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02:18:10
You’re not doing this for organizations or award shows or critics or whoever it is. You’re doing this for the audience. Those are the people that go pay a ticket price or sign up for Paramount plus or whatever it is, you know, to, to watch these things, and that’s who you wanna please.
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02:18:29
I mean, I don’t particularly give a shit if, you know, the actor guys I’ve run across in my lifetime like my shit or not. I mean, it’s like, you know, I’m not really doing it for them unless unless you love movies, unless you love good work, you know, then, you know, those cats are, you know, ai.
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02:18:49
But I just don’t, I’m I’m in a a good place right now. And so I think because, you know, my daughter Bella is going to Cal Poly up there, and she’s doing great. She’s 21 years old. My sons both have jobs in their own places and are doing well. I love my wife.
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02:19:13
Ai doing a show I love with a crew and a bunch of cats and actors that I love. I’m touring, you know, once or twice a year, making a couple of albums a year. I I just don’t let that shit bother me anymore.
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02:19:30
Good for you.
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02:19:31
It’s like I I don’t Yeah. Honestly don’t give a fuck. And, you know, people say that sometimes as a reverse psychology kind of ai. You know? It’s like, oh, I’m never gonna win this because and I tell my wife every time I’m gonna win an award or lose one, win or lose, you know. Right.
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02:19:48
Because I know. I’ve gotten used to it and I can follow the trend and I go, And she’ll go,
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02:19:56
oh my god. You’re gonna get the Golden Globe or the Academy Award, whatever
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02:19:59
it is. Ai go, no. No. No. That guy right there is saying get it. She goes, how do you know? I said, trust me. Watch and see. I was nominated for a Golden Globe for, the first season of Landman. We went over there, and I knew instantly it wasn’t gonna happen because they had us if you were in a stadium at a concert hall and your seat was here’s the stage.
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02:20:22
Your seat’s right here. It’s gonna take you thirty fucking minutes
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02:20:26
to get to the stage.
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02:20:29
We walked in there and saw our table. I’m like, Jesus fucking Christ. I said, we’re we’re sitting back here by, like, the staff. I said, we’re we’re not you know, the people bringing out the fucking food. You know? Yeah. And I said, but it’s not gonna happen. And she said, who’s gonna win then? And Ai been telling her this, and she didn’t believe me. She goes, you still believe that?
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02:20:48
I goes I said, the guy from Shogun. I said, I promise you that guy wins. I mouthed it to her as it was happening. They announced I couldn’t pronounce his name, but I sai, the Japanese guy from Shogun. Literally said it when, you know, they have panels of each one of you when they’re announced it and sai. Mhmm. Because they wanna see the other guys.
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02:21:12
Sai you know what I wanna see one day? I wanna see somebody. Like, let’s say the three of us are nominated for something, and we’re and it shows you and it shows me and it shows you, and you’re trying to launch a lot ai you don’t give a fuck. One day, I wanna see somebody just go fuck. You know what I mean? They’re one of those things. That would be awesome.
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02:21:35
I’ve only been
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02:21:35
to the Emmys once, and it was when Phil Hartman died Uh-huh. And he was nominated. So we all, as a cast, went. And I’ll I’ll never forget this because he didn’t win. And, Dave Foley looks over at me and he goes, what the fuck does he have to do to win? Right. Right. Right. Exactly. It was it was so funny in the moment. The guy had just gotten ai beloved guy got murdered, this big ai horrible thing.
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02:22:03
His wife kills herself afterwards. Yeah. And we’re all sitting there. He just looks ai me and goes, what the fuck does he gonna have to single with?
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02:22:10
I’m like,
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02:22:10
I’m out. I’m out forever. I don’t wanna come back.
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02:22:13
Oh, god.
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02:22:13
Leave me alone. So that will keep me out of this fucking chaos. And the worst thing you could ever do is get sucked into it and then play to that and then do stuff specifically to try to win awards ai
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02:22:25
Yeah.
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02:22:26
Ew. Yeah. Right. Ai, ew. What have you become? Ew.
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02:22:31
I know.
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02:22:32
They got you.
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02:22:33
Yeah. That’s true.
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02:22:34
And they can get you. They can get any of us just like crack. Crack can get anybody. All you have to do is smoke it a few times. Yeah. It’ll it’ll get you.
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02:22:41
Oh, for sure.
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02:22:42
And the thing I think it’s kinda crazy with you because you’re one of the most legitimate overnight successes ever. Ai, a lot of people were overnight successes, but it was kinda like a slow drip, and then something kicked and oh, wow. Now it’s something big. It’s like, man, Sling Blade came out and all of a sudden you were all over the fucking news. It was like No. Everywhere.
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02:23:04
It’s like and that’s the wildest ride that anybody can be on. Mhmm. Because also this is the ride before the Internet. Right? So there were not nearly as many famous people.
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02:23:16
Sure.
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02:23:17
That’s the thing. If you think about a movie star back then was so different than a famous person today.
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02:23:25
Right.
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02:23:25
Because there’s TikTok celebrities and reality TV celebrities and it’s just there’s so many famous people. It’s an it’s sai it’s an it’s like an unprecedented number of peoples Yeah. Clamoring for attention.
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02:23:38
Yeah.
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02:23:39
So to be a Billy Bob Thornton when Sling Blade came out was a crazy spot in life because there’s only, like, 20 of you motherfuckers out there. Yeah. There’s, like, 20 famous actors. Yeah. Like, maybe 50
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02:23:52
Oh, yeah.
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02:23:53
That anybody that you could get people to name. And you’re one of the 50. Like, holy
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02:23:57
shit. Back then, if you’re number 18 on the top 20 list of actors, you’re pretty far down the fucking row. Right.
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02:24:04
Yeah. Right? It’s crazy, right, if you think about it. Oh, yeah. Because being famous then was a very different thing than being famous now.
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02:24:12
It was. It was very famous. I mean, now people are famous because they’re socialites. They go to parties and stuff.
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02:24:18
Or they’re the Kardashians. Right. Famous for being famous, and no one can explain it. No. Yeah. But it’s ai that bizarre world that there’s no class you can take to navigate that. No. No one can help you. No. No one’s gonna no no one can tell you, like, what to do and what not to do. First of all, it’s a new thing, like, literally new.
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02:24:40
Right.
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02:24:40
You know, by the time Slingblade what year is Slingblade?
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02:24:44
Like, made it ai, came out in ’96.
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02:24:48
So films are much less than a 100 years old. So films are really, like, real films where people know who the actor is. You know, what is the who’s the first film Buster Keaton is ai, then you got Right. Charlie Chaplin.
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02:25:05
Right.
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02:25:06
It’s real fucking recent, man. Yeah. It’s real bryden in the zeitgeist of the world. Yeah. And then you’re one of them. And no one what the fuck is this?
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02:25:16
Yeah. It it’s unbelievable. I mean, when I would work on sets early on with people that I grew up watching, you know, and I’m just like, wow. You know, I’m standing next to Andy Griffith or whoever it was, Robert Redford, you know. And, now you start to realize that you’re in a a group, in an age group of actors who are looked at by 20 year olds or 30 year olds, like, I looked at those guys because they say this stuff to me.
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02:25:55
I’ve been watching you since you I was a little kid, you know, and all this ai of stuff. And it’s it’s an odd feeling. The only thing is and maybe I’m I’m off base here, but I think because and once again, social media has a lot to do with it, I believe. I don’t think that because of our lack of, younger generations’ lack of of history, you know, their knowledge, how far history goes back to them, I don’t think, you know, a hundred years from now, generations will look at us the way we looked at Humphrey Bogart and Frederick March and all these different people, Spencer Tracy, Bette Davis, you know, whoever it was.
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02:26:45
I don’t think it’s as important. It goes back to the acts too much access, too much exposure. Yeah. And I just don’t believe that in the history books, you know, thirty years from now, let’s say, they’ll look at me or Quaid or Costner or who whoever it is, as the Bogarts and the Tracys that we that we revere, only because society has changed so meh.
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02:27:16
And
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02:27:16
But is that a bad thing? Because ai still like, people love you, and they still love Costner and they still love Quaid and they still love all these people. It’s just you know them more that they’re human beings now.
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02:27:29
Right. Yeah. I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
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02:27:31
It’s a different thing. It’s a different thing. It’s a different thing.
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02:27:34
It’s a very different thing. Yeah.
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02:27:35
Movie star back then ai Clint Eastwood in his ai. You know? Like, that’s a different that’s a different thing. Like, you never saw that guy ai. It was like it it wasn’t like he was, you know, doing YouTube videos and No. No. No. Sitting down talking to people.
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02:27:49
I think the difference is is with Eastwood or any of those guys, Duval or, but you’d be surprised how many people if I named Robert Duvall or Gene Hackman, how many people I talked to who don’t know who they are.
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02:28:02
That’s crazy.
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02:28:03
I worked with a 35 year old costumer, and I said we were doing a photo shoot. At the time, we had four guys, on who made the records or in the band. And, I said, hey, there’s four of us here doing the photo shoot. Which one of us would be Ringo? And this girl is 35 years old. And this is not that long ago, ten, twelve years ago. And I said, Ringo?
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02:28:30
She goes, what’s that? I said, the Beatles. She goes, oh, I’ve heard of the Beatles. And I’m like, yeah. Meh. Ai hearing of George Washington. You know?
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02:28:43
But anyway so and I said, can you name any of the Beatles? And she goes, no. But weren’t they ai some kinda and I said, they were a band who started every fucking thing we do nowadays, and I couldn’t believe it. And she was like a hip girl with, like, orange hair and fucking nose rings and cheek rings and everything else.
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02:29:03
But it just seems to me that people’s history is it’s it’s kind of it’s become different. Like, our history, when I was, you know, listening to, you know, whoever, Ram or Jimi Hendrix or Traffic or whatever, I still knew who Billie Holiday and Jimmy Rogers of singing Brakeman were.
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02:29:22
You know? Now people a lot of people think Ozzy Osbourne was just sai guy on a reality show. It’s ai, no. He was in a band called Black Sabbath way back in the late sixties. And, I I think history is important for us, you know.
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02:29:37
I think if you don’t know where shit comes from, you know, I think as part of what you put into your arya, or your influences and also to see what they went through to get where they were. You know? I Ai just think it’s important. I mean, with anybody, politicians. How many people know that Benjamin Franklin you know, Benjamin Franklin, oh, he’s the guy who flew a kite and, you know, discovered how to make electricity come to some other place or whatever.
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02:30:05
But, you know, they’re fighting over states, you know, when there weren’t that many states. And, it’s like, well, wait a minute. We’re in New York. We got way more people than you do in, you know, Virginia or whatever it was. And, so we get more representatives and senators, you know, than they do.
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02:30:27
You know, they only get one or whatever. Well, Benjamin Franklin comes in, who’s one of my heroes. He made sense about shit. He comes in and he says, tell you what, how about do you have more state representatives than they do, because you got more people in your state. But how about as in terms of the sana? Everybody gets two, and then you get more representatives. And they’re all like, okay. You know? Makes sense.
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02:30:52
I mean, that’s those are the kind of guys I like. You know?
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02:30:55
Yeah. Well, history is important, but I think one of the problems with people today is, like, there’s so much information coming at you that everybody has TikTok bryden. And young people in particular. Like, it’s it’s very difficult for them to get a sense of history when they’re being inundated by very short attention span content all day long.
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02:31:15
They’re just getting fed nonsense. So it’s Right. Hard for them to actually read something or sit down and have the attention to get into something and really get fascinated by watch a good documentary on somebody or Right. Or read a book on somebody. It’s they they’re just checking their phone all the time. They’re always checking their goddamn phone. They’re addicted to these fucking things.
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02:31:36
Yeah.
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02:31:36
And they can’t have and growing up that way, ai, you and I grew up without it. Yeah. So you get to see it and how it’s affecting the way people view the world and it’s not good. It’s not good. It’s it’s it’s certainly not good for creating future versions of Ringo Stars and John Lennon’s because it’s ai, what do you have to say if you don’t have any understanding of what’s going on and what’s ever going on?
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02:32:01
And it’s addictive ai you said earlier because, you know, I I put these things down, and yet I’ve got the fucking thing with me all the time. Mhmm. You know? And if and if I if I get out in the middle of, you know, the desert in California someplace and nowhere the fuck I am, You know, I’m, like, trying to call home and shit, you know, whatever.
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02:32:20
But, I mean, I lived most of my life without that and, having to see if you had any fucking change left because you had to call somebody at a payphone. We had a thing in, LA called the Thomas Guide.
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02:32:37
I have that.
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02:32:38
You had the Thomas Guide where you had to look up
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02:32:40
shit in
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02:32:40
all of LA County, San Bernardino County. Yep. All of it was in there.
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02:32:44
It’s a book. Big old book you had.
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02:32:46
Big old book. And you had to look on these maps, which bryden confusing and shit. And, if you took a GPS away now from people, nobody would ever get to work on time. Nobody would find the fucking place they’re supposed to have a meeting because you also can’t stop at a gas station anymore.
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02:33:03
I mean, you know, remember when you would didn’t know where the fuck you were and you would stop over to a gas station and you’d go, yeah. I’m trying to get to 1625 Wilson Street. You know, you know where that is? It’s supposed to be by, like, the sawmill. Oh, you know, you some guy would go, yeah. Okay. Yeah. What you gonna wanna do?
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02:33:24
Yeah. He would take pride in being able to give you directions.
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02:33:26
Right. Absolutely.
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02:33:28
Yeah. Yeah. It was a big thing. Like, a guy who could give you directions to place, that’s a cool guy.
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02:33:33
Yeah. Absolutely.
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02:33:35
Tell you how to get there. Yeah.
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02:33:36
This is
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02:33:36
what you meh. You get on the 405 Right. And you get on Exit 16.
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02:33:39
Right. Yeah. They knew that shit. Yeah. I mean, now I mean, I know LA inside and out. I could be a cab driver there, but, or I should say Uber driver now, I guess. But Yeah.
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02:33:50
There’s no cabs anymore.
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02:33:52
But one way or the other, you know, if if you’re someplace else, I mean, I, you know, I use it too. It’s like but if you took GPS away, it would run people batshit crazy.
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02:34:04
Yep. Yeah. And if you took away the ability to just press someone’s name on your phone to call them, If you had to remember their number
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02:34:13
Oh, yeah.
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02:34:13
We had to remember numbers.
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02:34:15
I I still remember numbers.
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02:34:18
Well, you have a great memory.
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02:34:19
From my hometown. I mean Yeah. I still to this day I rarely, in other words, I can take my phone and I can type in the people that I call on a regular basis, I can type in their numbers. I know their numbers. But it is true that if ai, my wife, she’ll she’ll say, well, I don’t have so and so in my contacts or whatever, you know, and be somebody we know really well.
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02:34:45
Ai like, learn the damn number. I told meh our daughter, I said, look. When you’re at college, you need to have my number in your head all the time and your mother’s. You know? Yeah. Know the numbers.
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02:34:59
Especially if you get arrested.
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02:35:00
Yeah. You’re right.
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02:35:01
You know? For sure. You gotta be You got one call. Nobody knows how to do that anymore.
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02:35:06
I know.
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02:35:06
Right. Like, do you get who who ai I gonna call? I have fucking no idea. I know, like, three people’s numbers. No. Yeah. It’s, it’s a it’s like being a, an overweight person that’s addicted to food because you have to eat to stay alive. Mhmm. So you’re gonna have to do some of the thing you’re addicted to no matter what. Right. It’s not like gambling. You’re a gambling addict. Sai out of the casino.
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02:35:29
You’re gonna be okay.
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02:35:30
Right. You
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02:35:30
know what I mean? But, like, if you had to still go to the casino every day and gamble a little Yeah. But you’re a gambling addict, that’s a crazy fucking problem to have. And that’s a problem that every young person has with their phone. They’re all addicted to their phone.
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02:35:44
They’re completely addicted.
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02:35:45
And, you know, all of us too. I’m addicted to my phone. Yeah. And you’re you’re using it every day because you have to get places, you have to call people, you have to text, you have to check your email.
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02:35:56
Mhmm.
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02:35:56
So it’s always there. Yeah. And you just have to develop some sort of a relationship with it that’s not crazy.
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02:36:03
Yeah. That’s true. And and people it it goes from mild addiction to severe addiction to Internet creating this environment where people actually kill themselves. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s that big a spectrum. You know what I mean? Mhmm. And, you know, people talk about getting canceled all the time on this stuff, and it’s like, how about if you don’t give a shit?
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02:36:32
You know, if you do I’m not on social media. I I don’t deal with it. I mean, I you know, the band has an Instagram, you know, but I don’t run it. You know, they put pictures of me taking the garbage out. That’s what
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02:36:48
that’s what that’s what people wanna see. They don’t wanna see your picture on stage. You know? They wanna see
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02:36:54
that you’re just this regular dude with your ass crack showing, taking the garbage down the hill to the plate.
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02:36:59
Shah, eating chicken fried steak.
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02:37:01
Oh, yeah. They love that.
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02:37:02
Yeah. They love that. Shit.
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02:37:03
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:37:04
That’s true. Well, they wanna know that you’re fucking normal. Like, everybody
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02:37:08
Oh, I’m subnormal.
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02:37:10
But there’s also the problem where people are putting up stuff to make themselves look cool. Yeah. Like everybody’s trying to look cool online. Oh, yeah. You know, it’s just sai what a weird thing to try to do all the time.
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02:37:21
And they got liquefy. That’s one thing. Where you can make yourself skinny.
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02:37:26
Oh, boy. That’s a problem. Yeah. That’s That’s a problem too with a lot of young ladies because they see that and then they think that that’s attainable. Right. Exactly. What’s wrong with me? I look normal. Right. And you ai, like, well, she looks normal too. She’s got some crazy fucking program turning her into Yeah.
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02:37:43
This bizarre form of human that doesn’t exist in the wild. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It’s, Jonathan Haidt wrote about that where you see as the in the beginning of social media, you see automatic almost instantly rather, a giant amount of young ladies that experience self harm, cutting, depression, suicidal ideation, actual suicide.
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02:38:07
It all ramps up at the same time that social media does. Because you’re comparing yourself to someone’s life that’s a very distorted version of reality. Yeah. Distorted ai rose colored glasses, propaganda version of reality that this person wants you to know how cool they are. Look at me.
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02:38:25
I’m with a girl in a bikini, and I’m sitting on a Ferrari with a stack of hundreds. Fuck. You.
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02:38:30
I’ll be like, wow.
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02:38:33
How am I not that guy? I’m just a loser. I should jump in front of a fucking train.
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02:38:38
And there’s a face. You know, when you’re when you’re feeding a baby, there’s something I guess it’s from our you know, it’s in our DNA or something, but you feed a baby and you go you open your mouth. And they say that that probably came from you’re showing the baby what to
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02:38:54
do. Right. Right.
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02:38:55
Right. It’s it’s you know, somebody yawns, you yawn. Right? And you feed the baby like this. There’s a thing with these selfies that people take on the Internet that they can’t not go you know
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02:39:14
what I mean?
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02:39:14
Yeah. It’s that face. Yeah. You know?
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02:39:18
It’s very bizarre. I did a bit about that in my act about imagine seeing a photo from, like, the early nineteen hundreds where girls like ai. Right. Like, what is she’s a fucking time traveler. This is I know. Right. So strange. Like, the invention of the selfie.
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02:39:33
Exactly. Yeah.
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02:39:34
Ai daughters are on Snapchat, and they snap each they snap all their friends. So they this is how they communicate. They rarely text. They just make Snapchats, and they just have, like, in front of the camera. Right.
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02:39:47
And
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02:39:47
then they take a picture and, like, oh my god. So bored.
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02:39:50
Right.
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02:39:50
You know? Whatever. Exactly. Whatever it is. This is how they’re communicating with each other, through selfies.
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02:39:54
It is. Very weird. Yeah. Every everything is in snippets. Mhmm. And and the fact that, you know, if you have a TV, service that has, you know, 1,800 channels, and I find myself doing it.
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02:40:11
Mhmm.
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02:40:12
I sit at home. Yeah. I got it on the, you know, Cincinnati, you know, Pittsburgh game. I watched a few minutes, and it’s like, oh, okay. Here. Meh. It’s first down there on their 18. You know? Flip it over the Chargers game. You know what I mean? And and just go back and forth.
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02:40:31
And I I grew up with three fucking channels. You know? Mhmm. And so you had to watch everything all the way through. And I’m convinced that that’s the reason that trivia is easier for people that grew up with very little because you remember every fucking bit of it. Right.
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02:40:53
Now now you’re only you’re only you’ve only got, like, a few seconds on each thing, and it’s like I mean, now it’s like you’re watch even if it’s your team, something else happens. And then somebody text you, you start doing that. Next thing you know, like, you know, I’m a Colts fan. You know? I’m doing this and everything.
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02:41:11
Next thing you know, oh, the game was oh, yes. Right. They were only three and a half minutes. I didn’t see the end of the game. Yeah. You know?
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02:41:18
And, or I changed it over to, you know, Ai on the old guy channel or whatever for a few minutes.
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02:41:24
You know what I mean? I I was thinking about that once about podcasts, that the the podcasts are one of the only times where I’m never distracted
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02:41:35
And
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02:41:36
I think it’s one of the reasons why I like it so much.
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02:41:38
Yeah.
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02:41:38
And the same thing is, when I do commentary for the UFC, Ai talking about the ai. So I can’t be looking at my phone. I’m not answering text. I’m not, like, checking emails. I’m not ai at TikTok. I’m just locked in on what what is happening for six hours.
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02:41:54
Oh, yeah.
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02:41:55
And so those if you could find a thing where you can have a speak, escape from the clutches
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02:42:02
Sure.
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02:42:03
Of all the information that’s in the rest of the world coming at you all all the fucking bad news and all the guns and tits and everything that’s coming at you from all over the world Yeah. It’s, very beneficial. It’s it’s it’s awesome.
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02:42:18
And I love the fact that your show has it’s you sit for a few hours. Yeah. I mean, when do you get a chance
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02:42:25
to do this? I meh, and that’s
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02:42:27
you know, I came late to podcast, but I remember doing, ai. I can’t remember who I I did Norm McDonald’s, podcast, and I did, one other guy did his podcast. And then those are the first ones I did. Kevin Pollock. I did Kevin’s. I didn’t even know what it meant at the time. And since then, you know, I’ve done a few, but I like them too.
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02:42:56
It’s literally ai the only place you are where the interviewer doesn’t check their fucking phone.
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02:43:03
Yeah.
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02:43:04
I mean, I’d literally, I do interviews with people who, while I’m answering what they just asked me, they text somebody back or look at it for a second. And it’s like, hang on a second. It’s like, how important is this to you that that that it’s more important to let Mitzi know that you’d rather have spaghetti than, you know, and then fucking hell.
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02:43:26
Well, it’s also you’re completely breaking whatever bond that you have in the conversation. It’s not Right. It’s it’s two people exchanging information, talking to each other, and you have to look at each other in the eye. You gotta feel with this person. It’s a dance. Yeah. And if you stop in the middle of the dance Yeah.
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02:43:44
Ai, if you were on a date with someone, you’re telling them some crazy story and this is really important to you, and they’re just like, yeah. Wow. Amazing.
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02:43:52
No. That’s good for your ego.
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02:43:54
Right? Over. There’s there’s no sense in continuing any further with this relationship.
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02:43:58
Ai, right? It’s like it’s like, honey, were you serious when you said you love me more than anyone? Hang hang a sec. Hang a sec.
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02:44:06
Yeah. Hold on.
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02:44:08
Yeah. What were you saying? Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. I love you more than anybody I ever loved.
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02:44:13
I just barely love anybody. Yeah. Right. And I’m kind of mildly interested in everybody. And that’s sort of what’s happening. Ai? I know. We’re mildly interested in everybody. Right. And we love almost nobody. Ai. Yeah. It’s weird.
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02:44:27
That is weird. It’s a it’s
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02:44:29
a weird time. Yeah. But, the only way we’re gonna get through it that we’re that makes any sense is gotta say things like that.
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02:44:37
We have
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02:44:37
to figure out how to navigate it. It’s new. Yeah. You know, just like I was saying that when you were, a movie shah, the first time you became a movie star through Sling Blade, that’s a new experience just period in human civilization.
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02:44:52
Right.
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02:44:52
Becoming a movie star is very recent. Yeah. It’s hard and this is this thing of everything being ai, this thing of everybody having access to all this fucking information coming at you. All this media, all this all these opinions, and all this stuff to watch, and car accidents, and animal attacks, and this is new. Yeah.
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02:45:15
This is a completely so almost like the shit that you had to go through when you became famous through Sling Bryden, the whole world’s gotta go through this new type of thing with phones.
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02:45:27
That’s true.
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02:45:27
And with social media and with the Internet in general. And we’re not ready for we don’t know what we don’t know how to do it meh. And people are given classes on how to manage it and there’s apps that can limit your time on certain things. You can cut yourself off. Right. We don’t know what we’re doing. This is fucking new as shit. Yeah. And just like fame, a lot of people are gonna get wrecked by it.
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02:45:49
Yes. Totally.
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02:45:52
It’s it’s a completely alien way of being. Ai, a person that becomes especially I was my friends at Ricky Schroeder. Known Ricky for, like, twenty five, thirty years. And there is no way anybody becomes famous at, like, six Mhmm. And makes it out okay.
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02:46:12
Right.
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02:46:12
It’s not possible.
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02:46:13
Right.
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02:46:14
Like, I the way I Sure. I liken it to making cement, but you don’t put enough water in, like, you so it’s always gonna be fucked.
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02:46:23
Sure.
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02:46:23
There’s a part that’s never a norm you had a normal life and then or semi normal, whatever whatever normal means.
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I wasn’t normal, but I wasn’t a movie star.
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You weren’t famous and then became famous. But if you’re famous from the time you’re a fucking baby
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Yeah.
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And your whole ai, you’re in the public eye growing up. That’s insane.
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It is insane.
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Whether it’s Miley Cyrus or, you know, you look vatsal poor Britney Spears losing her fucking marbles. All that stuff. What do you expect? Nobody gets through that. Okay.
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What happened to those remember the kids that did that show? Was it, Different Strokes? Mhmm. And, like, a couple of them Yep. Like, one girl, she, you know, robbed the liquor store or something and then became a dope vatsal Imbecher and then, you know, dies young. And one of the guys on there also, you know, Ai think he got got on drugs and then eventually died. Some of them killed themselves.
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It’s I’m I’m really happy that my success, in terms of being famous anyway, came at a later age. I I actually really relish that, you know, that I did not become famous when I was 19
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Right.
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Or 16 or whatever it was. Because at that point, with my state of mind in those days and just just doing everything I wanted, you know, I would have been dead by now.
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Right.
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There’s no doubt about it. I would have never made it to 30.
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Yeah. And if you did, you’d have so much regret. Oh, yeah. Right. I do? No fuck did I do.
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Exactly.
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Why did I do that?
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Oh, yeah.
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Because you lost your mind. Yeah. Because you’re famous at eight years old.
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Yeah. Yeah. If you’ve you know, I I it’s kind of an old guy thing to sai, but, you know, everything I got, I earned it, and I’m glad I did. You know, I’m glad I didn’t have a hell of a lot of help along the way that I just persevered and did this stuff. But I think that knowing what work is before you get famous really helps you out in your life.
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I mean, you know, I worked at a sawmill, a machine shah. I hauled heavy equipment, hauled hay when I was 13. Yeah. I did all that shit. And, I mean, stuff that looking back on it, ai like, I don’t even know how I did it half the time. Sai we have worked as a carpenter’s helper.
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And, so I if I hadn’t done all that stuff, if all I had known was the entertainment business, I think that would drive any fucking body crazy. You know? I don’t think I would have made it through that. If, you know, like, looking at the the real world out there from a place where you never experienced the real world.
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Right. Right.
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Where like, you’re talking about Ricky and all that stuff. It’s ai, if your only experience has been people getting your fucking juice box for you, you know, or whatever it is, then and you get used to that shit too. I’m telling you, these days, my wife thinks Ai I’m the most helpless son of a bitch in the world, and in some ways, I am.
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I mean, I get into an airport, and Ai I used to go to fucking airports before
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I was famous. I knew where to go. I knew where to put my shit. You know? Now I’ll go
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in there, and I look like I’m it’s like Logan’s Run. I look I you know, I get out, and I’m like, where the fuck are we now? You know? And I’ll ask, you know, my assistant or publicist or somebody. I’m like, well, can I take this bag on there, or is this one where’s the thing we go through? Do I need to do this?
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Do I need to do that? You know? And ai like, I know fucking well what I have to do.
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But you’re used to people doing things for you.
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You get used to it. Yeah. I mean, you get used to somebody driving you someplace. I’m a driver. I grew up I raced fucking cars. I’m a muscle car guy. Now we go someplace, Ai ask my wife to drive. It’s like, well, no. Maybe it’s because I’m old. Maybe because when I walk up and downstairs now, it’s a psychological thing. Physically, I’m very fit. I mean, I can do shah, whatever I want to.
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If I gotta run and I was singing or whatever, I’m fine. Something psychological happens to you when you meh, like, 68 or 69. And Tom Mayhew, our tour manager for the band, he he and I were talking about it. We were talking about how now when we get in the shower, you know, like we’re in a hotel, and you get in a shower, you grab the fucking handicap rail, and you go really saloni.
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Ai don’t have to, but I do because something up here tells meh, here’s my age now. If I fall, I’ll be dead in six weeks because I’ll break my hip, and then I’ll get pneumonia, and I’m done. And I’m like, I don’t I feel 19. But for some reason, going downstairs now, I don’t just hop down the stairs anymore. I take it one sai at a time. You know? It’s not real.
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And it’s not real that I don’t know how to get around a fucking airport. None of that shit’s real. And yet something happened to me ai I think now Ai just this helpless fucking old man who, you know, is gonna have to have my caretaker fucking, you know, get me to the gig. You know? And then I go on stage, and I’m just like, you know? It’s like, wait a fucking minute. You know?
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Walking up the steps to the stage, I’m just like you know? And I get up there and fucking go
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out to the edge of the stage and slap hands and shit. If I
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fell off that fucking thing, it’d kill me instantly, but I ai it. So none of that shit’s
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real. It’s weird. Right? Well, it’s weird when people defy it. Right? Yeah. Like, I saw the Rolling Stones when they came to Austin a couple years ago at CODA. So it’s, like, a 100,000 people or something out there. It was nuts. And I swear to God, it was like an out of body experience because you can’t believe you’re actually seeing Mick Jagger. Right. You’re like, that’s him? That’s really him.
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He’s really up there. But he’s fucking he’s a thousand years old. Yeah. Fuckin’ your whole life, baby. Alright. He’s dancing and moving around. He’s got two fucking trailers.
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Two trailers that he brings with them everywhere he goes. It’s just workout equipment. Yeah. That motherfucker gets after it every day, they sai.
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Absolutely.
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And he’s ai, this is the only way. If you don’t do that, it’ll fall apart, and then you got nothing. For sure. But he’s out there like he’s 30 years old.
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Oh, yeah.
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It’s nuts. I like it. Really amazing to watch.
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I mean, like I said, we’re just open for The Who.
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Yeah. Right?
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And Roger and Pete arya, you know, they’re 80, 81, whatever. Crazy. You know? And, they’re the fucking who? Still up there singing their ass off, playing their ass off, you know?
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That’s another new thing. Ai, when we were kids, there was no old rock stars. No. They all died.
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Most of them were dead by 29. Right.
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’27. 2027
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was the year.
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Jim Morrison Yeah. Jess Joplin. They all died at, like, ’27. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Kurt Cobain?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. They all died young. So when we were kids, there was no touring bands that were, like, seventy years old out there on the road.
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Fuck no.
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Killing it.
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And we’re more popular than we’ve ever been. You know?
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And so it’s all bullshit.
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It it’s all it’s Yeah.
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It’s all in your head.
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It’s all in your head. Yeah. But, you know and not only were there not rock stars when we were growing up that were even many over 40.
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Right.
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Aside from the ones who died, age has changed a little bit. I mean, like, you know, if you look at my dad’s high school, yearbook, these motherfuckers look when they were 17, they look like they were 55.
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You know what I mean? Hard living.
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Yeah. And ai a man in those days Mhmm. My dad died at 44 years of age. I thought he was an old man. Wow. You know? And, when I think of 44 now, it’s like, are you shooting me? That’s like babies. And but but 50 and 60 and 70 meant something different Yeah. When I was growing up.
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Now 70 is kinda like I mean, you know, a guy like Sam or Duvall, they look at meh, and I’m still like a kid to them and shit. You know?
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That’s crazy.
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And 70 year olds and, you know, I think it’s a lot of it is you know, I I eat real healthy and, I actually had a holistic doctor tell me that, because I’m allergic to a lot of shit. It’s not like I got something against eating cows. I’d love to. But I have type a b negative blood, means you don’t have many digestive enzymes.
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And so I just get fucking, you know, indigestion and get all fucked up and bloated. I just grew up because I eat everything growing up. I mean, shit in Arkansas and Texas. And I just grew up thinking that that when you eat, you feel like shit. I just thought that’s the way it was.
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I thought, yeah, this thing’s overrated. Fuck. I feel like hell, you know? But, now I eat really healthy, and I eat fish and turkey and, you know, vegetables and fruit and beans and rice and stuff.
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So it’s a red meat issue with you?
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Yeah. I can’t have, a beef or pork. Oh, wow. Sai I I can have turkey and fish, and they digest easier. But, but I think, you know, people are, and especially if you’re in the entertainment business, you kinda keep a younger mind and, also eating healthy. And but this but this holistic doctor I was talking about, I was talking about the and this is really unpopular to say, but not my words.
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I was actually told this, and I was saying, look, you know, I don’t smoke a pack of cigarettes a day. I I smoke probably three quarters of a pack, you know, unless, you know, we’re on the road and I’m on the bus with the guys, you know, and I smoke like an old Buick sometimes.
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But, you know, when I drink light beer, I don’t drink hard alcohol, stuff like this. And this holistic doctor said, you know, stress is one of the worst things in the world for you. If smoking a few cigarettes a day with they don’t don’t have chemicals in them ai you’re drinking light beer, which is ai I said in Landman, you know, has has less alcohol than fucking orange juice.
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You know? You have a few of those day a day and and have a few smokes. And if if that alleviates your stress, especially meh being ai anxiety, he says probably healthier for you to just keep doing that.
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Yeah. They say that’s one of the worst things ever. Re your rising cortisol, stress, ai. It wears on your nerves, your nervous system.
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Yeah.
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And then loneliness. They say loneliness is worse than smoking
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Yeah.
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For your overall health. You if you smoked a pack and a half a day, you’d be way better off just doing that than being lonely.
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Look how many spouses die a few months after, their their husband or wife died.
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That my grandfather. That’s what happened when his wife died. When my grandmother died, he he died, like, within a year. He was gone. He was fine before that.
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You know,
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he was actually her caretaker. He was taking care of her. And then when she’s gone, he was dead in the air.
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Yeah. Happens all the time.
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Ai of grief. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that old saying
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you could die for a broken heart, I believe.
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That’s real.
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Yes, sir.
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It’s real. It’s sadness. Sana, also, it’s like, why am I still here? Yeah. She’s gone. I’m 90. Like, what is this? Yeah. What are we doing here?
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Yeah.
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You know? Let’s Yeah. Let’s call it a quit. Call it a show. Listen, meh. We just did three hours. So Cool. I think This is awesome. Shah was a lot of fun. I really appreciate you.
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Oh, it is.
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Thanks for
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doing this. I hope I didn’t fuck anything up. I ai
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know it was great, man. It was great. It was awesome. I love your show. I love everything you’ve done, man. So it was it was a pleasure.
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Well, it’s a pleasure to be here.
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Thank you very much. Alright, man. Alright. Bye, everybody.