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Russell Crowe is an Academy Award–winning actor, director, and vocalist of the band Indoor Garden Party. His latest film role is that of Nazi war criminal Hermann Göring in the historical drama “Nuremberg,” which premieres in theaters on November 7.
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Yeah. Good to see you.
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Nice to see you, man.
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Your movie’s great.
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Thank you very much.
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When does it come out?
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In The United States, it comes out November 7. Okay. And then, various dates over the next month and a half or so around the rest of the world.
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Fucking heavy movie, man. Yeah. It’s a heavy movie.
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Yeah.
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The, the ai, that footage, was that all real footage? The Holocaust footage? Real footage
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of the the ai one of the one of the reasons that that inspired Jamie to go ahead that he was given access to that footage, some of which has never been seen since Oh. 1946. Ugh. Ai. It’s a very interesting way that he makes the subject matter accessible because it’s such a dry topic from the outside. Right? Here’s a court case.
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Right.
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You know, here’s yet another courtroom drama
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Right.
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Procedural or whatever. So I can imagine that people would see that and go, well, this, you know, might not be an exciting watch or something. But he sort of puts the audience in this position where he allows them to start to be amused by some of the things that are going on and the interpersonal relationships.
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And, you know, when the commandant of the, prison has to call up his two, top mental health experts and dress them down for getting into a fist fight, you know, things like that. Kind of it it’s there’s a charm to it. And then he gets you into the courtroom, and he locks the door. Mhmm.
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And he goes, now you’re gonna see what we’re talking about. So I think it’s a very interesting film device to disarm people before he starts giving them the the real juice. You know?
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Yeah. It’s, it’s also a fascinating psychological tape from, the psychiatrist ram Kelly’s perspective, you know, because the way he’s describing all human beings, that all human beings are capable of these horrific acts.
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Yeah. And that’s the thing that was a very unpopular take at the time actually led to his removal from the process because he wasn’t fulfilling what the war department wanted him to say, which is, you know, all Nazis are crazy, you know, ruled by a madman, and, this is a unique experience.
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But that’s not what he found in sitting down talking to the 22 major Nazi sort of names that that he was assigned to post war, he realized that every single one of these people was, you know, as normal well, there was a couple that were pretty out there. But, you know, for the most part, he was dealing with rational men.
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Yeah. That’s what’s scary.
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How the hell did they end up making this series of decisions if they’re rational men?
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Well, it just seems like things just get pushed slowly but surely into this unbelievably horrific place. Right. Like, it starts off it’s just it’s just a war. It starts off Hitler’s in power, and then slowly but surely, things get pushed.
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Yes. And that’s the thing that’s, you know, difficult because gigantic jumps, you we can all read.
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Right.
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But little incremental changes.
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Right. The boiling of the frog.
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Just how, you know, you take away this person’s rights, that person’s personal power, you know, and saloni, you know, you get to a point where the average person then turns around and goes, how did we get to here? Right. You know? I thought it was I thought it was about something else. You know? There’s a smoke screen going up, and I thought we were doing vatsal.
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And as it turns out, it’s very different.
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Yeah. That’s the one of the scariest aspects of human beings is our ability to dehumanize others, to turn others into something less than us.
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Right.
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Nonhuman and other. Right. Humans with families, with mothers and fathers and children.
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It’s one of the most dangerous things Ai I see it going on everywhere at the moment that we’re trying to say that you’re either, you know and for one or of a better team name that you’re either red or that you’re blue. Right. And humans are far more nuanced than that. They’re not we’re not that extreme. You know?
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And that the idea that you can split all of us into two camps is kinda nuts.
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It’s nuts.
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You know?
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Yeah. It’s nuts.
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And it takes out all the room for subtlety in a discussion, and therefore, it makes communicating with each other less and less, available.
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Well, it’s just in this country in particular, I don’t know about Australian politics, but we only have two parties. And they’re both essentially financed by enormous corporations. So it’s a it’s a ruse. The whole thing’s a ruse. And you have different social issues on each side that come up and and then it becomes this year with us or against us, right versus left, but it’s there’s
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It’s going nowhere good.
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Nowhere good. Yeah.
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Yeah. We have the same sort of, you know, two principal party system in Australia as well. But we have a slight advantage in that we’re kind of on the edge of the world in a lot of ways. You know? So what I’ve always said is when you’re growing up in Australia and New Zealand, you’re growing you grow up looking out. Yes.
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You understand your own culture and all that, but you grow up looking at what else is happening in the rest of the world. What what’s happening in Europe? What’s happening in America? You know? But ai and large, Americans grow up looking in.
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Right.
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The principal sports are only played by American teams. American football, in in some instances, baseball, but they’re not the types of sports that we play where the pinnacle of that sport is international competition. Right. Rugby union Right. Rugby league, cricket
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Right.
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Football, soccer. You know? So we we grow up with that as being the pinnacle of any particular sport if you get to represent your country. And that’s only really relevant in an American sense for in an Olympic period. You know? Right.
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That’s it. Yeah. We never think about other sports. We mock them. We think about, you know, like, what are you doing playing cricket?
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And it’s a fascinating game. And any anybody who loves baseball, generally, I found baseball lovers are all about the minutiae. They’re all about the stats and what those stats mean. You know, there might be a certain score on the board, but, you know, their their team might be getting beaten, but they see in the stats that there’s, you know, a certain dominance in an arya.
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And so they, you know, they still have a hope that the outcome of the game is is may come their way. And cricket fans are are the same as that. So the the fact that the two never seem to meet is odd to me It is odd. Because it’s the same type of game.
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This is cricket is larger worldwide. Right? Mhmm. Much larger.
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Yeah. Well, you have the India. India and Pakistan and, Sri Lanka and, you know, countries like that with huge populations playing the game.
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Did you do you guys have home runs in cricket? Like, where someone really cracks the ball
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and smashes
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it out of the park?
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It’s called a six. If you hit the ball over the fence without it bouncing, you get six runs.
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Oh, okay.
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And sana that’s that’s the, that was a seven run. In so there’s different forms of the game. You have, t 20, then you have one day. So this is gonna be this is gonna be difficult. T 20 means that each team gets to bowl 20 overs. An over is six balls. So you have 26 ball overs that you’re bowling to the batting team, and they’ve gotta try and get as many runs as they can.
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Okay.
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And then you will have a go at batting. Right? So you have that version of the game, which is very short. It can be it can happen in an evening. Then you have a one day game, which maybe, you know, starts in the afternoon, finishes by eight or nine at night. But then you have the test match, and this is what I grew up with.
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It it’s sort of been dialed down a little bit now because they brought in shorter forms of the game, but the test match is between two countries, and it’s played over five days. And the idea is that both teams have to bat and bowl twice, and the result will be whatever it is at the end of five days.
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Five days?
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Five days, man. Five full days. And they start, and then they have morning tea, and then they have another speak. They have lunch, and then they have afternoon tea. And if it’s really hot every now and then, somebody will walk out and give them drinks. You know? It’s sai very civilized my my cousin, Martin, was a great cricket player. He was the captain of New Zealand. My other cousin, Jeffrey, was also captain of New Zealand.
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So I kinda grew up in a cricketing family, and it was one of the pathways for me that was, you know, to potentially play cricket. You know? But when you’ve got two of your cousins who are as good as they were, it’s a very crowded room. You know? Ai how am I gonna make any kind of statement here when one of them, Martin, at his peak, he was called by Sports Illustrated, I believe, the Michael Jordan of world cricket.
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Wow. He was a very dominant player in his day. And, he used to call we used to discuss test matches as the gentleman’s war because you have a defined space. You have x amount of players, and you’ve gotta stop that little ball in this gigantic 180 meter by 120 meter oval. You gotta stop that little red ball from going between the players and therefore, you know, preventing the bats ram from scoring runs.
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But that five day game, the way that it ebbs and flows, once you’re into it, it’s the only way you wanna watch cricket. Because it’s ai, you know, at one moment, your team can be just so far ahead, you’re like, ugh, just, you know and then it’ll turn on a dime. Day two, things get really dark for your team. You know? Day three, you got an edge back again. Day four, it’s fantastic, man.
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And as a kid, I used to go and attend every day of a five day game. Wow. Yeah. It sai crazy.
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Yeah. There’s nothing like that here.
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No. No. I mean I mean, it really requires, I mean, just like look at the, you know, five five day game. It’s like ai news cycles. Right? Yeah. We’re not really set up for that sort of patience and
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How is it broadcast? Is it streaming? Television. Television.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there’s cables and companies and stuff have got involved now, but it used to be national network. And when cricket season was on, I mean, you know, back in the day, people would come from overseas and into Australia this summer and then ask the question, is there anything else on television except sport?
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Is it so when when you put do they take commercial breaks? Yep. Okay. They do. So that’s the problem with soccer. Right? Soccer in America, the reason why it’s very hard to sell is not just that a lot of people don’t play it Right. But it says there’s no commercial breaks.
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Right. They still don’t want huge number of people who play association football soccer in this country.
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Oh, for sure. Listen, they have a professional team here. I’ve been to the game. Yeah. But it’s nowhere near the involvement that football has. Meh football.
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Football ai this country. Yeah.
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For sure. Not even close.
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Yeah. Well, see, all all of our sports that we like in Australia, apart from cricket, tend to be quite compact. You know? 80 game, ninety minute game, ten minute ai, and it it’s part of your day. Mhmm. It’s not your whole day.
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Right.
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It’s like we’ll go to a football game, and then we’ll go and, you know, have dinner or go and do something else. Sai we have the same thing where the action is so continuous that the idea of stopping for a commercial break quite gets quite tricky.
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Yeah. That makes sense. Though it’s always been fascinating to me that rugby never took off in America.
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Yeah.
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Because it seems like kind of a more savage version of football.
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Yeah. Well, the the way I think it sort of plays out is you got rugby union, right, which is 15 men a side. Every time a player is tackled, you recompete for the ball. You have rocks, mauls. You have line outs. It’s sai very different game. But there’s another version of rugby called rugby league, which was played in the North Of England, and that has a defined period of offense and defense.
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And I think that’s where American football comes from. I actually own a team in Australia in, the NRL, the National Rugby League, the South Sydney Rabbitos, the oldest team in the game. Nineteen o eight, we were formed. Bought the team in 2006. And it’s very easy to explain to Meh. Have American friends come down.
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I spend maybe twenty minutes talking to them, and they get the game. And they start to dig it. Ai girlfriend at the moment, actually, Britney, was one of the reasons why I really started being attracted to her because she understood stood the game straight away. You know? Then I find out that when she was younger, she was a a cheerleader for the, New Orleans Saints. Oh, wow. While she was studying electrical engineering. Sai it yeah.
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It it’s a Very similar. Rugby league is a very easy game for Americans to follow. Now how it’s refereed becomes frustrating for an American audience because it’s there’s so much room for interpretation, referee to referee, game to game, situation to situation. So it can get frustrating.
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I think one of the greatest things about American football from the outside or from an objective point of view, It seems that every single thing that the the NFL try to do is based on an across the board fairness for everyone. Mhmm. You know? So those you know, the conversations were between, the referees and what have you seem to be everybody’s on the same page.
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And ai, when you’re watching ai league, something that you saw somebody else get sent from the field for the week before, and now nothing happens this week. But it’s the same kind of hit or whatever.
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I was
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like, what? You know? So I I’ve had a few Americans
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get frustrated.
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No. I think that’s yeah. I think it the game moves very fast.
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Right.
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And, you know, referees don’t have eyes on all sides of their head. You know?
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But do you have referee corruption over there? Because you have gambling.
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We definitely have gambling.
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Yeah. I know you have gambling because I read ads for them. Yeah. That’s Ladbrokes?
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Absolutely crazy the way gambling has become such a significant player. I also read the other day that, it now turns out that 50% of ownership of all the major gambling things are in the hands of sports teams. Oh, boy. Going on? Yeah. I think I think what we have as opposed to corruption is natural bias because guys come out of the game.
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So there’s, you know, 17 clubs in the in the NRL at the moment. And guys who are in positions like referees or video refs or whatever, they have a club. You know, they grew up associated to one particular geographic area, and that’s their club. So it’s very difficult for anyone to to truly objectively see their own natural bias.
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But also, there’s gotta be some corruption if there’s gambling. If if it’s so subjective that you can make calls that you would that didn’t that someone got in trouble a week before, and then this week nothing, Like, that kind of subjectivity where it’s up to the referee to make a decision.
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If I was a corrupt person, a gambler, especially if I was a mobster, I would reach out to that referee and say, you know, it’s within our best interest.
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To work together on this.
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Yes. Let’s,
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let’s make something happen. I I would hope, in all innocence.
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Yeah. Well, you have to say that. You own a team.
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Yeah. And and you gotta sort of, remain a little impartial in in Yeah. These things.
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What was that scandal in America, Jamie? The most recent one, the basketball one. It it had to do It’s
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still ongoing.
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It’s still ongoing. Yeah. Yeah. What did what are they accusing these guys of, though? I know they’re they rig poker games, but there’s also Yeah. That was accusations about the basketball games itself.
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Most of it would
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have been, like, based off of
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player props. So, like, they’re they know that they’re not gonna take themselves out of the game. So I just take the under on I’m not gonna score 20 points.
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I’m only gonna be there for ten minutes.
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Mhmm. Wink wink or, like, you
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know, these players aren’t gonna play in
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this game that against us. That’s sort of why.
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This is players gambling, is it?
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One of the coaches was doing it too or, like, giving information. I mean, he was thing is is
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they would they would they were tied to the poker game too. Oh. And So it’s just a full on criminal weapon.
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I just saw the news today that the one player who’s been tossed around, he had a big, IRS debt, and all of this sort of started around
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the same time too.
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Oh, he’s trying to pay off his debt, so he got corrupt.
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Who knows?
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Who knows? But they weren’t they ripping off their friends in the poker games? That Ai don’t know because I’ve seen clips. Yeah. I’ve seen clips of this. People knew about this a
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year or two ago on Instagram. They’re like, I was at a fucking rigged game, and I know the people involved and know that I should not have like, I’m not going there and losing my money.
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How how did they know it was rigged?
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The people involved, he said.
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He’s like, someone else told me this. It it’s all in
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the up and up,
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and then he’s like, I know everybody in the game. It’s definitely not. What are you talking about? Yeah. How that guy knew Sai know he didn’t really Well,
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they had crazy shah. Like, they could read the cards. They had, like, a x-ray machine.
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They had about cameras and the chip holders. They had also I don’t know who they were communicating to, though. There’s a lot going on, but it was happening in LA, Vegas, New York, all over the place. God.
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$50,000,000 profit. I stay away from it. I know how you feel about it. But About gambling? Yeah. I I had an experience when I was a young fellow. It was the first time I was in America, actually. And I’d had all these intense meetings and what have you, and it was I I had a decision to make.
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I had 10 different people wanting to be my agent. So I rented a car, and I went for a drive. And I went up to, San Francisco on the coast, and then I turned inland thinking, you know, well, I’ve heard of Reno, so I’ll go there. Right? So so I went to Reno, Nevada, and, I had x amount of money. Right?
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I was a very I wasn’t you know, I was doing well in my career, but I didn’t have a lot of cash. So I had a couple $100 in my pocket. That’s all. You know? So I I went and had a a beer, and I started playing blackjack on a $5 table, and this is single deck. This is how long ago this sai.
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’92 or something. Right? So I’m playing, and I did pretty well. Ai, you know, I masked a few $100, feeling very cocky and confident about myself, and I probably just then had one beer too many. And I went for a walk down the street, and I saw a roulette table, and I think, vatsal be me. Ai? Sucker. And so everything I won, I lost.
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And by the time I sort of got my shit back together, I had $25 in my pocket. I’m in Reno. I got a quarter tank of gas, and I gotta get back to LA. I don’t have a credit card.
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Oh, boy.
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So as it was, I paid for my hotel in advance, so that that’s all cool. But I was like, okay. I got a server up here. So I go back to the place I started, back to that same $5 table, and I just very carefully when I got to, like, a $190, which I knew was gonna be enough to get me back with petrol and food and all that, so I stopped.
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I got out into the car park of this hotel. It’s, like, eleven midnight, something like ai, and I just started vibrating, man. My whole body was, like, shaking, like Sai was having some kind of fit. You know? And it was just really weird.
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I I got back to the hotel room, and I called my mom, Colette, in New Zealand. And I just so I just did this. I went through this. She goes, oh, no, darling. Something I’ve never told you, but your great grandfather was a professional gambler. At one point in time, he gambled his house away.
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He had to go and get his daughters, wake him up, get his wife, and tell him this is where they no longer live. And that one act kept that family in, you know, relative terms, poor for another two generations. Wow. That one impulsive act to gamble his house. Yeah.
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So I know it’s in me, so I don’t go anywhere near it.
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That’s fascinating.
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What do you think it’s genetic? There’s a a horse race in Australia called the Melbourne Cup, and I will focus on that. And if I happen to be at home and and I have, the day off ai of thing, I’ll, put a bit of money on that. But that’s it. You know? Everything else
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that I do in
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my life is gambling. Becoming an actor, massive gamble. What are you talking about? It’s ridiculous. You know? Buying the football team. It’s it’s all a version of gambling. But the idea that you’re just giving money away to a system that had to where it’s not fair, it’s not gonna benefit you, and at the end of the day, in the longer term, you’re simply not gonna win.
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It sort of that drives me a little crazy. I don’t wanna get involved in that.
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Yeah. The vibration thing, do you think do you think gambling is genetic? Like, there’s a thought that a lot of there’s there’s certain behaviors that are in people that are passed down from their parents. There’s certain thought processes. There’s certain inclinations.
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Right.
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That it’s some genetic proponent that we have not clearly identified yet. That it’s you know, they used to think that people are a blank slate. You’re born, you’re a blank slate, you learn everything from your environment. Know that’s not real. It’s not real. No. There’s a shit ton that you get from your genes.
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Yeah. It’s very weird. And I wonder if you got that from your grandfather.
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It it it really feels like it’s in me and I have to work against it.
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It’s ai, thank God you have discipline that you could go back to the table In one area. One well, that’s a good area to have it in them.
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But that’s how desperate the situation was. Right.
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It’s
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like I’m standing there in Reno realizing Sai can’t even get back to LA. Right. I’ve got a rental car. So I had to I just took it really, really saloni, and I do this thing if I’m playing in a situation like that because, occasionally, I will go and play blackjack at a casino if I’m in a group of people, because if you’re all disciplined and if you hold every seat on a table, you can turn the tide against the house very easily.
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They hate you doing it, and they try to break
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it up and put somebody
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in the middle of you or whatever. But if you ai, actually, funnily enough, it was Tom Cruise who taught me this. If you have it so the first chair and the last chair make the calls and the decisions, and everybody else just sits on 12 and above, and you watch the mathematics come your way.
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Now way, way back in the day, right, it would have been ’95, ’96, ’97, something like that. Right? Tom calls me. He’s married to Nicole Kidman at the time. Calls meh. Ai goes, you know, hey, bud. We got this thing set up. Steve Wynn has put on a jet. He’s gonna fly us to Vegas. Right?
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We arya allowed to play at Shadow Creek. We’re allowed to play golf at Shadow Creek. So I’m not really a golfer, but sounded good to me. Jumped on the plane, went there. We’re playing Shadow Creek. Lightning storm comes up. Tom’s, like, in the middle of the fairway still trying to play.
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We’re going, dude, put the iron down. It’s this lightning. You know? So we we know we enjoyed ourselves at the golf course. Then we go back to the Ai Hotel, and they’ve given us Michael Jackson’s Ai comped, the Ai comped, the food’s comped, and then we go and play, blackjack together.
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Tom explains what the team’s gonna do. And we take $25,000 or more off the table Wow. Go back to the airport, get on the comp jet, fly back to, LA, but we finished as a group. We then attacked the New York Times crossword, and we did the last word as we were landing in Los Angeles.
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So to meh, it was ai, that, I believe, was a perfect day.
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That’s a team effort. Yeah. That sounds like a lot of fun.
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It was it was a great ai. But that sort of, like, that was one of the early experiences where okay. So you can have fun with with these sort of games as long as you don’t take them too seriously. My current girlfriend is a massive poker player. She loves it, and she’s really quite good at it. She’s played in a couple of female only tournaments and and things like that. You know? So I yeah.
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I’ve I’ve watched them play, but I don’t get involved. I don’t wanna get involved. I don’t wanna activate
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that. Okay.
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Yeah. Because I I am kind of you know, I do have a reckless streak. You know? I can imagine in the wrong moment if I’m, you know Tipsy? Well, not it wouldn’t be tipsy. It would be more ai drunk on some kind of ego power kind of thing where, yeah, I can I can turn the universe?
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I can make it come my way. I’ll bet my house.
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So I
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just gotta stay away from that.
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Oi. Did you see Uncut Gems?
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No. Oh,
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that’s the probably the best gambling movie ever. Adam Sandler plays a degenerate gambling junkie.
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Okay.
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It’s not a not a comedy at all. Amazing mill. Amazing movie.
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I love how he’s getting it just seems like he’s getting, some due respect these days. Yeah. People are really starting to see how big his effect was and and what he can do.
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27:38
Also, those movies are fun. All those Happy Gilmore and they’re fun movies. I love those movies. They’re innocent, enjoyable entertainment. Mhmm. And he’s really good at them. Jack and Jill, they’re hilarious movies.
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Yeah. And that right these days, because I’ve got a project at the moment, which on the surface you would have to call a comedy. Nobody wants to discuss it. Nobody wants to talk about adult comedies. So where does that meh? Where does that mean we’re we’re going to? Well If we’re sort of reducing comedy as a genre.
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28:08
It’s only in the film world. In the stand up world, it’s ai everybody’s completely pushed back against it, and they’re going the other direction. They just they’re going back to, like, 1990 style comedy.
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Right.
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Which is just say whatever the fuck you think is funny.
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Confrontational stuff.
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28:22
It’s not no one means these things. You’re saying things because they’re funny. Right. That’s it. You know, we’re it’s just ai Bob Marley didn’t really shoot the sheriff. You get it? Right. You know? It’s like we’re just talking shit.
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Ai heard a funny story about that, actually. Yeah? It’s just in past. I can’t remember who told me. Maybe, I won’t even guess, but, I think Clapton was living in New York or London or something, and he had a he had a a party at his house. And it because he just had that record come out, and it would have gone number one.
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28:54
And he had it stuck on his fridge with a magnet, you know, like ai charts with a circle around it. You know? I shah the sheriff, number one, Eric Clapton. And Bob Marley was at the party. And, apparently, he found a pen, and he wrote onto Clapton’s fridge, no, Eric.
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I shot the sheriff. Bulldog.
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I shot him first, bitch. That’s hilarious. But that uncut gems film is, it is it it it is a perfect movie in regards to, like, the way it treats a degenerate gambler. He’s a jewelry bryden. Jewelry salesman. And, he’s just out of his fucking mind. It’s always sports. It’s always this. It’s like there’s there’s always a game that’s going on.
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29:40
He’s betting this, and it you get so much anxiety watching the movie ai, oh, god. Don’t do that. Right. Don’t do that. Don’t oh, Jesus. What are you doing?
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29:48
It’s like the whole movie. My palms are sweating. I’m moving around in my chair because I, as a kid, grew up in pool halls, like, from the time not grew up in pool halls, but I spent so much time between age 23 and, you know, into my thirties. I was in pool halls all the time. Right. And, I played a lot of pool and I was around a lot of addicted gamblers and I never got it.
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30:13
It never hit meh, but I was always just fascinated by the grip that it had on people. It was ai they would their eyes would be going back and forth. Their fucking skin would be pale. It gripped them like a drug. It gripped them like crystal meth. I I really dislike the way in Australia we have normalized it.
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You know, they’re doing a sports report on the news, the national news, and they’ll tell you The odds. The odds.
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30:44
Well, we do that with the UFC. With the UFC, we give the odds. They they even I don’t know if they announce, round by round odds, but the I think they do. But the I don’t I try not to pay attention to it because I don’t vote. I I excuse me. I don’t, gamble on the UFC, but I used to.
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31:03
So I used to gamble on the UFC when I first started working for them and then I was like, I don’t think I should do this anymore.
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You probably do.
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31:08
This is a long time ago though. So what I started doing is giving my friend Aubrey, who’s my business partner at Onnit. I started giving him tips. Mhmm. And he was ai 84%.
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Right.
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Because I know the sport and a lot of these guys would be coming from Japan or coming from Russia and I’d be like, oh, this guy on from Brazil Anderson Silva, meh the fucking house.
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Right.
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I go meh the fucking house because people do Not my house though. Not my house. Not my house. But there’s people that were coming across from other organizations that I was a giant fan of and the bookmakers were woefully uneducated about especially foreign fighters. And there’s a thing ai if you are gambling on MMA and you don’t know how to fight, you’re just guessing.
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31:53
You don’t really we’re all just guessing when we two guys get into the cage together, but you’re really guessing. Like you really don’t you can’t recognize like, how fast a person is. You can’t recognize how good they are at countering. You just know stats and you know but you don’t know how to do it. And if you don’t know how to do it, you can’t really see it.
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32:13
You don’t really know. So at a certain point in time, I stopped, just on my own gambling. So ai, I don’t because I was people were accusing me of being biased one way or the other anyway, which maybe I was. You know, I got better at that, but I wanted to make sure that no one thought that. So I was like, I’m only ai.
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32:31
I’m a couple $100 or something like that. I wasn’t doing anything crazy.
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Right.
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But the the fucking people that I have friends, like, good friends that are just hooked. And when they start talking about, like, fights that they’re gambling on or they put so much money on this and money on that, I’m like, oh meh God. Ai know guys that put millions of dollars on a fight. I’m like, oh my god. Yeah. You’re freaking me out. You’re fucking freaking me out, man.
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32:58
I don’t care how wealthy you are. If you put a $3,000,000 bet in a fight and you lose, like, you’re not gonna sleep for a week.
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Man, I just wouldn’t be able to wake up with myself the next day.
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And then if you win
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so foolish.
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If you win, it might be even worse because now you’re gonna keep doing it.
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Now you get that. You get the sting. Yeah. The thing is with with what we do in Australia, ai, the newspapers, like, you know, network news services, we allow betting ads. It is so all prevailing. Mhmm.
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33:30
You know,
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I had an experience probably a year or two ago, and I see my two boys are talking to a mate of theirs, and they’ve all got their phones out. And I realized they were checking up on their beds. Mhmm. You know? So I had to have a big conversation with my boys and say, look. Every single dollar that you have comes out of my pocket. If I give you a dollar, that’s not a dollar to gamble with.
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I have to have very serious conversation with them about it. It’s like, I don’t care if you think it’s fun. You know? I don’t care. You gotta actually see it for what it is. Yeah. Because what’s 5 or $10 now is easily gonna turn into 4 or $500 in a minute, a thousand dollars.
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34:11
You know, sooner or later, you will allow yourself to think that this thing is, you know, beyond fun, and it’s a way for you to earn back your losses or whatever. Right. So I just had a had to have a a chat with them, and they were probably looking at me going, how old is our father that he doesn’t understand that everybody does this?
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Yeah. But I just had to let him know from my point of view. I didn’t appreciate them taking my hard earned dollars and wasting them.
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34:39
I get it, but I also like that it exists because I want the ability if I wasn’t working for the UFC and I could go to the fights and gamble on the fights, I would definitely do it because it’s a knowledge to
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34:51
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I don’t need it. If I’m into the sport Yeah. I wanna see the game. You know? I I care about Oh, yeah. What happens in the game.
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I get it.
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Possibly because from the owner point of view, I don’t I I wouldn’t want any extra pressure.
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35:56
Of course.
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So I I don’t understand ai here’s here’s this game. It’s like two teams of pristine athletes who have busted their nuts to get in this situation.
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Mhmm.
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And the competition the physical competition between these two teams isn’t enough. You gotta put something else on the line. You know? Well, it just adds.
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It adds for some people.
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For some people. Yeah.
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Yeah. They get that extra juice out of it knowing. The the thing is also, as a commentator, I am as unbiased as humanly possible. And it’s a hard thing when friends fight because there’s some guys that fight that are my good friends. And I’m I’m like, I just hope they don’t get hurt and I want them to win but I have to be excited about the other guy winning which is kind of crazy.
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36:37
The other guy is beating up your friend.
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Ai.
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Right. And you have to be excited about it. So it’s good that I don’t have any money riding on fights because I don’t have I’m not happy if one person wins or loses. Right. My my idea is we’re gonna see who’s the better athlete, who’s the better fighter. Mhmm. And I can handle gambling.
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36:56
I’ve never had a gambling problem because Ai not a risk averse person, obviously. I like risks, but I’m also I’m sai. Like, I know what I’m doing. Even though I do dangerous things.
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37:07
Mhmm. You’ve had a look at it first.
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Yeah. You’ve
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examined. But you do have you have that, ability and inclination for examination. So
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37:15
You have to have that. And I feel like that’s the case with alcohol, that’s the case with cigarettes. I’m in favor of all those things being legal, but I know so many people that have a problem with alcohol, like cannot live without alcohol. I know so many people that can’t quit smoking cigarettes.
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37:30
I feel like you should be able to do whatever you want to do, and I want I want freedom, and that comes with gambling. And I I think gambling freedom, ai, the ability to decide that you sana take a risk or something, that should be available. But we should educate people as to ai what is actually going on in your mind that’s allowing you to get captured by this thing. Mhmm.
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37:52
And now you’re chasing bad money and you’re in a downward ai. Management, like understanding, okay, this is a thrill, but this thrill could take over your whole life
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38:03
Right.
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38:03
If you are maybe genetically susceptible, psychologically susceptible, like understand what it is, but I don’t think we should take away cars that can go over 60 miles an hour because some people crash their cars and die. Mhmm. You know what I mean? Ai I I feel like Ai like that gambling exists and I always wished that it existed back in the day.
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38:22
I was like, it’d be fun vatsal $100 on this or a $100 on shah. But I don’t have the problem. Like, I could see if I came from a family that was torn apart by gambling, you’d go, you know, you don’t understand. My dad lost our house. I’m like, okay. But that was a bad decision. You, you know, your dad could have died drinking and driving and smashed into a tree. These are bad decisions.
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38:47
You don’t have to make bad decisions just because something is tempting you. It’s an interesting it’s an interesting debate because do you nanny state the whole world? Do you think gambling should be illegal? You think you should have to go to Vegas for it? That seems ai crazy.
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39:01
I mean, it’s certainly not a black or white issue to me. There’s a lot of gray area involved in it. And I’ve I know there’s a lot of people that push back on the idea of of whether these gambling apps and all these different things should be legal and ai
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It’s the normalization process that bothers me the most.
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Mhmm.
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That it’s part of the new service
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With the apps.
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That it’s but it’s just put in front of you whether you’re interested in it or not. You know, this team is playing that team, and here’s the odds. And Ai I just don’t I don’t think it’s healthy to have that as much of you know, the those stats as much a part of the actual news report as who’s playing and what’s on the line.
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39:49
The thing about it though is, it does lead you to have debate about like, here’s a perfect example. Canelo Alvarez versus Terence Crawford. Terence Terence Crawford was going up two weight classes. In my mind though, he’s so skillful, I gave him a chance. I was like, I favor him to win, but I believe he was the underdog. Boost the ai out what the odds were for the Canelo Alvarez, Terrence Crawford fight.
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40:17
I believe he was the underdog even though he was an undefeated multi division world champion, ai, one of the greatest of all time for sure. But he was jumping up from the 154 pound weight class where he just won the belt. He was the one hundred and forty seven pound weight class all the way up to one sixty eight. That’s a big leap.
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Mhmm.
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14 pounds. And everybody thought Canel is gonna have too much power. He’s gonna be too big. I’m ai, I don’t think so. I don’t think that’s correct. What’s the odds? Is that the same? Yeah.
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Crawford was the underdog.
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40:47
So not a huge underdog. Plus one thirty five versus plus one forty. Somewhere around there. So it’s not huge. Not even two to one. Not even one and a half to one. But enough where I was like, I think they’re wrong.
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41:02
Mhmm.
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You know? And then sai it’s like it it fosters debate. You know, even if you’re not gambling, and I didn’t gamble on that fight. But I did. I was telling my friends. Ai got a long discussion with a good buddy of mine who’s a a real boxing connoisseur. He’s ai, Canelo’s too big.
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41:14
He hits too hard. Ai, that guy doesn’t get hit much. Like, I don’t think that’s as big of a factor as we’re thinking. I think it’s a skill thing. They’re not that different in size. I’m like, I don’t think so. And so that odds thing is to me exciting. Like, it is fosters debate.
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41:32
Ai, you get you start talking about, you know, and if it’s a game, you start talking about players, like, he chokes in the outfield, he does this, He does that. This ai, he’s always stealing bases. I’m factoring that in and, you know, the odds become a part of the discussion.
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41:46
But, yeah, it is ultimately the problem is, first of all, kids are addicted to apps as it is. They use them. They’re always on their damn phone. And they’ll go from TikTok to Instagram to to x to, you know, they’ll check this and then they’ll check that and they’ll check their Snapchat and they’ll check the gambling app.
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42:04
And then it’s like you’re just addicted to this goddamn phone. So something on your phone that’s also addicting. It’s like addiction on top of addiction. Because you’re already getting your little dopamine rush just by looking at your phone. But then if you’re also getting a gambling rush on top of that yeah, we gotta educate people.
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42:23
Yeah. But I think
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we gotta educate people on social media addiction, which I think a a giant percentage of our population is completely addicted to social media.
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Including me. I spend large amount of every day scrolling through TikTok for some reason.
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42:37
And what do you what’s your algorithm like? What kind of stuff are you getting?
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42:45
I’m getting a lot of dating apps at the moment, which is really embarrassing because I’m Ai not looking on any I’m not on any dating apps. Ai I’m not sure that the algorithm is fully truthful. I think you there’s certain amount of things you just get fed.
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42:57
Right.
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You know? For especially ai
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43:00
a dating app because that’s a promotion. You know? Right. They’re promoting that.
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43:04
Yeah. There’s a lot seems to be a lot coming up. But that’s the problem, isn’t it? Because the way the algorithm shapes it, you know, pretty much everything that comes up on your phone, you have some form of interest in.
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43:15
Right.
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So that keeps you looking at at what you’re looking at. Ai got to, probably gotta dial it down a little bit, but I’ll be in the bush in a minute. It’s been such a crazy year, man. You know? So, you know, we finished Nuremberg last year, and then I went on that big tour, which is when I was here, when I came to see you the first time.
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But this year, since between December and August, I made five movies.
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43:40
Wow.
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And I was on the set of the sixth and sai weary, and I had no juice. I I still feel it a little bit actually, man. Ai know, I’ve had a little bit of time ai, but I’ve still had so many responsibilities. I kinda feel like I broke my brain or something in August, and I’m still trying to recover.
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43:58
And I won’t really recover till I get home the next ai, as Sai was saying to you before, because when I land at home now, I won’t know when I’m flying out again. And that is such a relief. Because when you do know when you’re flying out again, every day is just counting down counting down.
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You might have three weeks, but it doesn’t feel like three weeks because you 100% know when you’re leaving again. But this time, I’ll get home, and I’ll have three months, and I’ll be in the bush, and I’ll be waking up with the birds. And, you know, hopefully, all of those things that I emptied out through the the earlier part of the year will will fill up again.
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Because I was on that set, and that was the, the set for the remake of Highlander with Henry Cavill. So I’m playing Ramirez, which was the Sean Connery character. Oh, wow. So I’m excited by it. I’m really looking forward to it, but there I was turning up to the gym to do my katana sword and, you know, going to these meetings and everything, but I was empty.
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44:55
I was absolutely empty. And it was just the point where Ai you know, I texted my agent, and I’d said, you know what? I maybe need to talk to these guys because I’m not sure if I I’ve I don’t have any juice here. I don’t know what I’m gonna be bringing. You know? And I’m sitting in these meetings, and everybody’s talking, but it’s all just bouncing off my face. You know? I’m not really taking anything in.
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And that same night, I get a phone call around 10:30, and it’s so unusual because I have everything turned off on my phone. It never rings. But for whatever reason, it did ring. It was the director saying, look. I’m so sorry to tell you that Henry’s, injured himself.
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He’s he’s, ruptured his Achilles, so we’re gonna have to push the film. Now I love Henry. I’ve known him for a long time. I’ve known him since he was a schoolboy.
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45:38
Oh, wow.
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And, I’m ai, I met him at a place called Stowe School in England. I was doing a scene in a movie called Proof of Ai, talking to my son in the movie, and in the background, a rugby game’s going on. And, you know, we’re doing the scene and everything, but I’ve got my eye on the field.
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And there’s one guy on the field who is just displaying he’s got a great brain for the game. And as it happens, we finish the speak, and they break up the the the what’s going on behind us. And that one kid is walking towards me, and he’s the kid that I’ve been watching. And he wants to have a a chat.
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46:16
He introduces himself and, you know, he just asked meh, how do you get into acting? And so we had this very, very brief conversation, and we got swamped by these other kids. Couple of days later, I was doing a present for the kid from that school who played my sana. It was a boy called, Merlin Hanbury Tennyson, his name was.
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And so I was doing a thing for ai, and then I had some other things left over, and I was like, oh, what was that other kid’s name? Oh, Henry. So I wrote on a photo of Gladiator, of Maximus, which was a movie that had not actually been released meh, to Henry, journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step, Russell.
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46:55
Wow. He kept that photograph with him from wherever he lived, from place to place, and he kept his dream alive and burning. The next time I see Henry Cavill is in a gym in Illinois, the outskirts of Chicago. And I’m working on one side of the gym. He’s working on the other. And I’m thinking to myself, well, I’m Superman’s dad. I reckon that must be Superman over there. Kinda looks like it. You know?
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47:24
So we worked in the gym a week or some more together before we talk. You know? And ai, one day, he comes over, puts his hand out, and we start talking. And I just at one point,
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I
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went, do I know you? And he goes, yes, sir. You do. And he ai and I went, Henry? That Henry? Is this Henry? It was crazy.
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That’s wild.
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Absolutely wild. Right? And so now we have this crazy. Other situation where, you know, he’s kind of in the position of of being the Highlander, and they asked him who he wanted to be, Ramirez. And he said, I’ve only got one option, and you gotta get him. And so, you know, that’s fantastic.
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It’s gonna be a lot of fun when we do eventually get around
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to Michael. Must that be for him to have been a kid and met you and got you to sign that and then working with you when he’s Superman.
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Superman. Yeah. It was so
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Oh ai god. That’s amazing. What a great story.
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And so now we’ve got, you know, we’ve got the the third stage of our, our connection. And when we get to do it, it’s it’s gonna be great. But I know this sounds really weird because I love Henry, and I the last thing Ai want is for him to be in a under any pressure or injured or whatever.
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48:44
But it was an a prayer answered. And I’m talking to the director expressing that I’m so that’s terrible, but I’m also shaking my girlfriend going. We get to go home. Yeah. It it’s as I said, it’s been a big year.
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49:00
I I Sai have never done that many individual films in that space of time.
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49:05
What caused you to say yes to that kind of a schedule?
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Well, it but that’s not what you do because most of these are independent films. Sai, for example, I agreed to do Nuremberg in 2,019, but we don’t shoot it till 2024. Oh, wow. Meh up and collapsed three different times before we actually made it because it’s a you know, there’s there’s a lot of variables in independent film.
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So a bunch of these things that I did, you know, I agreed to do two years ago, and it never got together. And then suddenly, they all just started landing one way to the other. So everybody’s sana start working like it’s air traffic control. And I’m, like, literally having a a few days between sets ai from one place to the other, and now it’s, you know, what I always describe it as is ai going to a new school.
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Now you’re gonna meet, you know, hundreds of new people and, you know, all of the different, things that you gotta answer in terms of your costume and your makeup and blah blah blah. Am I wearing a fake nose? Am I got I got scars. What am I doing this time? All of those things you gotta do very, very rapidly and, and get onto the set. And they’re not that sort of string of movies was not, they’re not easy.
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You know, the first one was called The Beast in Me, which, is an MMA movie. I think we talked about that briefly. It was gonna be a UFC thing, but meh ended up doing a deal with one championship. So it’s set in Australia and Ai. And it’s it’s doing some, like, little private screenings in Los Angeles at the moment and getting a lot of really positive reactions.
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The kid that’s still not he’s not a kid, but the lead role in that, Daniel McPherson, has done, an extremely good job by the sounds of things. I’m also attached to that. I only play a very small role, but I rewrote it for them just before, we started. And I’ve done a lot of writing in my career, but it always goes uncredited.
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But in this particular occasion, I I think I believe I’m gonna get my first actual writing credit. Oh, wow. So that’s cool. But I wrote the character that I play specifically to not be the character you think it’s gonna be, to not be Burgess Meredith. You think this guy is gonna be, you know, the old coach who sort of, like, you know, comes back out of retirement and everything, but I I know enough people in the boxing world or, you know, to know that once an old bloke makes a decision about you being a shithead, he’s not gonna change his mind.
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So I wanted to play that guy. Yeah. So, so I went from that set to then, I think, called Bear Country, where I play an Albanian money launderer. And that’s got a great cast, Teresa Palmer, Luke Evans, Nina Dobrev, Aaron Paul, Danny Zavada, and it’s funny. It’s really funny.
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51:55
That’s with the same director that I did Unhinged with, a guy called Derek Borte. And it’s Ai mean, it’s goofy and dramatic, but it’s just funny.
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52:05
When does that come out?
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Ai sure when that comes out. That’s also I think they’ve got, like, six or seven different offers at the moment from different, distribution companies because everybody’s digging it, and they’re they’re looking at it going, that would be an hilarious movie to follow-up Nuremberg.
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52:19
Well, yeah, that would be. Yeah. Because Nuremberg’s
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So then after that, I go back to Budapest, and I make a thing with a young British director, Armand Sana, called billion Dollar Spy with a young English actor called Harry Lorty, who is the he’s the the he’s the future of British cinema. He’s a very intelligent, classy actor. So, and that one, I play a Russian selling state secrets to the Americans, Russian scientists.
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52:47
And
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then, after I did billion Dollar Spy, oh, I did, I went to Montreal and made a thing called Unabom, where I play a Harvard professor. The man who taught Ted Kaczynski at Harvard, who put him into this, series of tests and and things that he was doing. And some people say that he very, very much affected Kaczynski’s brain.
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53:17
And she Well, you know, he was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.
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The guy I play was.
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53:22
Yeah. Yeah. So that was a
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that was Kaczynski was sort of associate. He was there at the time then that Leary also started working at Arya. But the study that my character was doing is, more based on sort of, like, intellectual confrontation and, like, stripping people of their self belief and stuff.
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So there are people who think that it was the character I ai, intellectual aggression towards Kosinski that turned Kosinski the way he turned. Mhmm. So there’s that. And then I just did a movie, in Germany. It’s set in Portland, but we shot it in Munich. Okay.
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54:07
How weird.
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With a a guy called Patrick McKinley, who I’ve done other projects with before, but he doesn’t, doesn’t always get the credit he he should meh. But he was he’s the guy that cut the loudest voice, which made it as dynamic as it was. And he also cut a movie called Poker Face for me, and we’re working together on a music doco.
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But usually, I work when I work with him, he’s an editor. But this is, him as a director, and that’s with Ethan Hawke. Again, that’s that’s a smaller role in that one as well, but there was a very strong vibe on that meh, and Patrick’s a great filmmaker. So I imagine that’s gonna be a good movie too.
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54:45
So if you’re a film fan
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54:48
That sounds like you’re
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killing it. There’s few things to come out. That’s very exciting.
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54:52
The comedy, is very exciting because there’s just not a lot of comedies anymore. It’s it’s it’s hard Yeah. To see a to find a really good comedy.
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55:00
Yeah. Yeah. And this is one of those ones where it’s not it’s not like a series of jokes. It’s just certain types of characters put in certain situations, and then you see how that plays out. And Aaron Paul and Nina Dobrev, just hilarious. Ai I can’t even begin to explain what they do in the film because you’ll just go, what the fuck are you talking about? That just sounds so stupid.
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And it is stupid, but it’s also very funny to experience.
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55:29
I can’t wait to see it. So it’s it just sounds like all those things just sort of came together coincidentally at the same time. And so you have to do them all.
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55:39
Things that you might have agreed to years before or whatever, and it just so happened that they got their financing, and ai just went one after the other.
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55:45
Do you take do you do anything ai IV vitamin drips or anything when you’re on set?
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55:51
Ai haven’t really done that. Probably help you. Well, potentially. But the other the other thing is, man, you just stay disciplined and you get to bed.
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55:58
Yeah. That too.
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55:59
I’m actually going through a really weird time at the moment. Look, for the last month, doesn’t matter where I am in the world, if I’m in Spain, if I’m in Australia, if I’m in America, I cannot sleep between midnight and 5AM. It’s just very odd. And I think it’s related to that feeling that I was expressing before that somewhere in August, I broke my head. You know?
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56:19
I just done too much.
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56:21
Too much.
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And I need to go home, and I need to be in that rhythm because, you know, I call the place I have in the bush you know, it’s it’s not its official name, but I call it the panacea. It will fix all ills, but you have to give over to its rhythm. You have to wake before the birds.
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56:39
You have to sort of put yourself in a situation where you’re going deep into the bush sai you’re getting that kind of oxygen. You know, you just have to really give yourself over to it, you know, and and spend your days just, you know, checking if the cows are okay, having a look, you know, if the new, trough system is working or shah.
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56:59
Just getting your sort of hands a little bit dirty and forgetting all the other stuff. Yeah. And, you know, I but we’ll hopefully see me come charging back out next week.
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57:10
Charging, but that sounds like a perfect balance to offset the charging.
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57:14
Yeah. Well, that’s
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The recharge.
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I Ai always like, I look back at my 30 year old self who made the decision to take the little bit of money that I’d earned at that point, 31, 32 I was, and buy a 100 acres in the bush because somehow Ai knew I would need that place. So it’s like, you know, I could have bought, you know, an apartment in in the city. I didn’t but I didn’t.
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57:38
I bought a 100 acres of basically blank bush. No fences. No. And the the fact that it’s been in my life, let’s say, 01/20/1996, I paid for that first 100 acres. Wow.
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57:53
So that’s that’s before LA Confidential it was before I even shoot LA Confidential. Wow. So it was I don’t I don’t know where it came from, but I look at that 32 year old and go, mate, well done.
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58:07
You gave yourself a battery.
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58:09
No. I gave I gave myself an island. Yeah. You know, I go through that gate and because you know what it’s like. People don’t just call you Joe. They call you Joe Rogan. They call me Rosgrove Rosgrove Rosgrove. You know? So this this brand name, this sort of stamp, and that’s all you hear. You know?
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Roscoe Roscoe. And then I go beyond that gate, and I’m no longer that. I’m a son. I’m a brother. I’m sai uncle, I’m a dad, you know, all of those things.
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58:35
You know, Ai I’m the boss of the operation of the farms and stuff and and all that as well. But all of those things come into play, and the whole brand thing drops away. And you gotta prove yourself in a way different level when you’re at home.
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58:48
You gotta exist in a natural world Yeah. As opposed to in a world where you’re the center of attention constantly, people at your beck can call, people are mister crow, mister crow. Yeah. It’s not good for you. But it’s also the amount of attention that you time you have to spend when you’re on that many sets in a row, five movies in a row.
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59:09
Like, Ai thought a lot of people are probably like, oh, boo hoo. You had to be in five movies. Boo hoo. Yeah. But that’s and that’s the brilliant thing.
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59:18
Or famous Russell Crowe.
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59:21
The big gap between people who are not in the business is understanding of what it really takes.
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59:26
Right.
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And, you know, the realities that that you deal with. And, look, you know, I’m the last person. I’m not whinging about the job at all, but I am just pointing out that I went a little bit too hard, and I burnt my brain. Ai need a bit of a speak. You know?
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59:41
Well, if Nuremberg is an indication or if it’s an example of what you did, the the if it’s on par with the rest of them, it’s gonna be an awesome run because Nuremberg is great. It really is. It’s it’s very disturbing and it’s sai it’s a just to see the that footage, this the footage in the trial was just people should see that, you know, and the fact that it’s never been released before, you know, that just to cement into our heads.
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01:00:11
You know, that’s the thing. It’s ai, that war was one of the first wars where we got regular footage. You know, I mean, if you think about people going into World War one, they’re going blind. They have no idea what to expect, what they’re gonna sai. And then by the time Vietnam comes, and now it’s on television, and it that seeing horrific things at least cements into your head, like, this is where this all could go.
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01:00:40
This is where this all can go.
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01:00:41
Yeah. Well, just think about that because, you know, in my lifetime, you know, I when I was a little boy and I’m watching the news at night with my parents, there’s Vietnam footage. You know, I see the Anzac Day, which is Australia Australia, New Zealand version of Memorial Day. I see those marches every year, the old soldiers getting together.
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01:01:02
That history is so fresh. I’m surrounded by older people who fought in the war in World War one. You know? And then there’s another generation of guys who still appear to be young, and they fought in World War two. And now I’m watching Australia at war because we’ve been through Korea, and now Australia is at war in in Vietnam, and I’m seeing that on the nightly news.
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01:01:27
So at the age of six, seven, eight, I believe I’m gonna be a soldier. Really? And everybody at school believes they’re gonna be a soldier because that’s what we do. You know? Because the our parents’ generation are connected to the second world war.
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Our grandparents’ generation is connected to the first world war, and here it is. We’ve got now got this new war.
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01:01:46
Right.
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01:01:49
So it it was very definitely part of the cultural upbringing. I mean, I was in army cadets in high school. So, you know, that was a couple of days a week. You dress up in an army uniform, and you go to school instead of in your school uniform in, Jungle Greens. You know?
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01:02:05
Just get you ready.
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01:02:07
Just get you ready, man. You know? You they’re putting SLRs in the hands, which is
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01:02:11
like
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it’s not an unusual thing for this country, but, definitely is for for Australia. Put a self loading rifle at the hands of a 13 year old and teach him how to use it. So
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01:02:25
Wow.
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Jesus.
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01:02:30
That was one of the things about the Iraq war too, The where they stopped showing people coffins. They’re preventing photographers from taking photographs of coffins.
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01:02:40
Right.
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01:02:40
Flag draped coffins. Like, that’s crazy.
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01:02:42
Mhmm.
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01:02:43
That that should not be legal. You shouldn’t be able to prevent someone from documenting history because that’s what that is, and that’s the consequences of what’s going on. You’re seeing American people coming home in boxes.
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01:02:53
Right.
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01:02:54
And you’re not even allowed to take photographs of it. Right. Kinda crazy.
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01:02:57
Yeah. Well, this is the thing where, you know, ANZAC day that I talked about, it’s April 25. Anzac stands for Australian New Zealand Army Corps because both the first World War and the second World War World War Australia and New Zealand ai, they’re armed forces. And then a lot of places fought alongside each other.
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01:03:17
But, you know, we had that day as a Memorial Day as, you know, you have in this culture as well. But we tend to forget that we have that day as a reminder that we should never do this again. That’s what it’s there for, you know, to respect the passing of the these, you know, young people who died in battle, but to also remind ourselves of how pointless that whole thing was, how pointless the first World War was, how pointless the second World War ultimately.
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01:03:50
It’s just it’s just death. You know? And the people that started the war, the people who benefit from the war arya not the ones generally standing at the graveside mourning their dead because they will protect themselves. Their children don’t have to go to war. Their children are not gonna get conscripted.
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01:04:07
So it’s like, you know, every time this stuff comes up and and we now have almost constantly the words of war being spoken as if it’s just sort of an offhand thing that we can we should attack these people, invade these people. It’s ai, this goes absolutely nowhere good. And we were talking earlier about the technology we can hold in our hands. We meh out our phones.
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01:04:34
We can explore the entire world. There’s no piece of knowledge which is held back from us. We can get it through this device we carry in our hands. So here we are, all of these, you know, millennia later as a species. We have that level of technology available to us, but we still think that war is some form of solution. It just blows my mind.
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01:05:01
It’s, it’s hard to imagine if you were living in the past, if you could come up with the circumstances that we live under today, like you just ai, a device in your pocket that provides you with all the information you could ever want. We would say, oh, well, that will be the solution to most of what ails us.
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01:05:19
Right. You you think once we have that available?
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01:05:22
Yeah. It’ll all sort of
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01:05:24
sell out. Each other clearly Yes. And understand, you know, celebrate our differences Yeah. That there’s more that connects us than divides us, all of those things.
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01:05:32
I don’t think they ever anticipated social media and the divisive nature of that because I think it celebrates
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01:05:39
But it’s only divisive because we let people pervert it.
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01:05:44
Right. With an algorithm.
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01:05:46
We just let people actually take something. I remember when I started on Twitter, I thought it was the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of. But when I started, which was about 2009, 2010, and suddenly ram, you know, couple of decades of having who I was described by others and pushed across to people, this breath of fresh air where I could just express ai, and people would know exactly what my real opinion on something was and how I felt about something, it was fantastic.
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01:06:18
Didn’t last very long, though. People are like, oh, well, we’ve got a whole lot of truth going on here. We sana shut that shit down. You know? As soon as individuals started using their power to say, you know what? I had an experience with this company or that company, and it wasn’t very good. Right.
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01:06:35
And those companies were like, man, we didn’t spend millions of dollars a year on advertising just for this asshole to tell the truth about how shit we are. Yeah. Ai they had to turn it around somehow. So that’s when you start, you know look. Quite frankly, if you run bots and stuff like that, you should be put in prison. Forget about it, man. That’s not the way it should be.
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01:06:56
No. It’s not what that way. Yeah. You shouldn’t bryden
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01:06:59
perverting people’s understanding of something Yes. Because it benefits you.
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01:07:02
Yes. That’s a great way to put it. Yeah. That should be illegal. It’s kind of amazing that there’s no laws because it’s essentially I mean, you could propagate through bots a complete and total ai, and it catches traction Mhmm. Makes its way through, and there’s zero consequences.
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01:07:18
Yeah. And then people get upset about it, and they’ve they’ve fighting over the family dinner table based on pure misinformation.
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01:07:25
And I think a lot of it, you know, we can’t trace who’s doing it. That’s where it gets really weird. Yeah. But why? Well, because it’s I meh that. It’s complicated. Right? Like, you can you can hide your IP. You can, do it through a virtual private network so they don’t know what country you’re in, and you do it with AI.
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01:07:47
Like, they they busted China was using chat GPT to run a a bunch of accounts. I don’t know how many accounts, but a huge amount of accounts. And they were, all sorts of stuff that are that people ai fighting about in America ai immigration, closing down Sai, those kind of things. Right.
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01:08:06
And they were just involved with these chat bots that they were running and these things would argue specific points and get everybody inflamed and just start wars and call everybody
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01:08:19
for free cards. There was a moment, you know, a little while ago ai there just seemed to be all social media was just flooded with violent images, flooded with people fighting, you know, people getting, you know, knocked out where a king hit in a bar or whatever. And and it was like, where is this coming from?
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01:08:39
It’s just Instagram is loaded with it. Right. I see more violence on Ram, more accidents, more people falling off balconies, more people climbing trees and falling. It’s like all over Ram. And I don’t know if they can stop it. I don’t know if they can even recognize what these things are until somebody reports.
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01:08:59
I I know I know it sort of speaks to the sort of a low level of intellect, but, you know, I do like the occasional falling down a hole.
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01:09:11
I have to admit. Well, there’s a reason why it’s out there. Yeah. It’s because a lot of people agree with you. Yeah. It’s, it’s I mean, I’ve watched a lot of horrific accidents. I don’t know why. You know? I don’t wanna watch anybody get run over by a truck.
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01:09:24
Yeah. Sai I for me, that’s not a thing. It’s ai it’s like the innocent sort of, like, pie in the face ai of thing is is what amuses meh. But if somebody really gets hurt, it’s not Yeah. It it doesn’t,
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01:09:36
it’s not something to watch. Very much desensitizes people Yeah. Which is a problem already.
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01:09:42
Yeah.
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01:09:42
You know, we’re already desensitized from ai video games and violent films, and and then now you’re seeing, like, real violence and real, like, horrific dismembering accidents all day long.
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01:09:55
Right.
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01:09:55
And you’re 13. You know? That’s that’s the thing.
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01:09:57
It’s a lot. That is the thing is we can discuss it as adults and what sort of, like, what we can deal with and what we can ai. But that’s the same thing I was talking about the gambling. My kids don’t know or didn’t know that there was a negative to that. They they see it, you know, all the ai,
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01:10:14
so they
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think it’s normal.
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01:10:16
Yeah. No. That makes sense. That makes sense. And, you know, think, like, how old do you have to be to sign up for those sites? And is it possible to spoof that? Ai, we look some it seems like you could probably if you’re a wizard at 14 No.
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01:10:29
But what’s the security? Yeah. Are you over 18? Press here.
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01:10:33
Like, what is it? It doesn’t take a long make you enter in your driver’s license? What do they do?
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01:10:39
Now do you see that, thing from TikTok that I sent you with Jimmy?
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01:10:42
I don’t have TikTok.
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01:10:43
Oh, you don’t? No. Oh, so I sent it to you, and you can’t meh.
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01:10:46
Can’t watch it. Alright. What was it about?
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01:10:48
It was, just him on stage talking about a company that he and I and Ed Sheeran got involved in. I was in I was shooting The Pope’s Exorcist in Ireland. Right? And I got told this story, about this lady, Laura Bonner, whose grandfather was an Irish potato farmer. Right? And wondering what he should do with his leftover potatoes. You know, the unsh you know, the unsightly shaped ones that nobody wants in a supermarket.
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01:11:20
And he came up with the idea of making this, Irish sort of moonshine called perching. So every Friday, his relatives and his friends and everything would rock around to Phil’s house, and they’d bring their old medicine bottles and whatever and just fill up from the still. So they had a a weekend. And when she was a little girl, she would see this party being created every Friday in the, you know, island.
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01:11:43
And so they’re singing songs, and they’re enjoying each other’s company and laughing uproariously and all that. And she said, one day, I’m gonna legitimize what granddad does for fun and make it into a business. So right about her mid twenties or something, she was a a lawyer. She got involved in this big deal.
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01:12:02
It went well for her, so she was sort of, like, faced with a crossroads. Okay. Now I’ve got money to finance my idea, or I can continue in the job that I’m in. And so she decided to back herself. She comes from a little town in the North Of Ireland that is called Muff. It’s, actual town.
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01:12:25
It’s across the river from Derry, And she formed a company called the Muff Liquor Company, and, that amused me. I Ai called Jimmy Carr. I said, does this amuse you? And he goes, it actually does. So then I called Ed Sheer, and I said, does this amuse you? And he goes, it does.
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01:12:46
So we formed a company called The Muff Liquor Meh, and we bought a big slice of, of the company. It’s now I think it works in about 40 states that’s awesome. Pretty sure you can get it in Texas.
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01:12:58
We’re a sucker for a good name.
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01:13:00
Yeah. So, I bought you a dozen whiskey
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01:13:04
Oh, boy.
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01:13:05
A dozen potato based gin
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01:13:08
Oh, boy. And a
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01:13:08
dozen potato based vodka. Oh. But, there it is. Ai gonna start with the bottle sort of shaped like an old medicine bottle.
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01:13:16
It looks great. Yeah. It’s cool. That’s an awesome bottle.
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01:13:19
Yeah. It’s great to to hold, actually, to and that whiskey is what I call like, a cowboy whiskey. It’s a Oh,
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01:13:25
it’s peat smoked.
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01:13:26
Yeah. But it’s very light.
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I like that.
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It’s very light. You’ll you’ll see when you have it. It’s ai that’s not the sort of whiskey where everybody ends up crying in a corner meh the things that they did wrong in their lives. It’s the sort of whiskey that’ll keep you laughing all night. You know? So that’s why I call it a cowboy whiskey because you can sit with it with your mates all night and have a have a laugh.
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01:13:45
What do you think is more addictive, alcohol or gambling?
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Well, the problem that we have with alcohol is what’s, you know, becoming the burgeoning problem with gambling is that we just accept it.
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It’s everywhere.
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Accept it completely as the thing that you do, and as long as you’re a certain age, you can do it. We’d never look at the damage that it causes. Now I’m a big proponent of having a drink. You know? That’s my cultural heritage, and, as a working class man, it’s my goddamn right, Joe. And you enjoy it.
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And I do. I do. But as you get older, you know, you there’s certain things that you start to learn about your capacities and stuff when you’re a younger fellow. And now that I’m an older guy and I know that, you know, one night a speak, if I’m having fun, is plenty. That’s plenty. You know?
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01:14:34
And and I try to cut out the the interstitial stuff. You know? I I might if I decide I’m gonna have an, a glass of wine with dinner, then it’s gonna be a really nice wine. And it’s gonna be an an occasion. And I just I try not to have the casual drinks now.
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01:14:52
Just have a, you know, a drink for the sake of it.
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01:14:55
You know? Those add up. Yeah. Yeah. There’s there’s there’s definitely a great social quality to drinking. There’s there’s a thing to it that I enjoy. I always enjoyed.
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01:15:05
And bonding. You know, you never really find out about your mates until you’ve had them on the piss sana you see who they really are.
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You know? Some people. Yeah. Yeah. Alcohol is it’s weird because it’s the only drug that they offer you when you sit down for dinner.
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Right.
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It’s the, we’ve agreed that this drug goes really well with a good steak.
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That everybody can have the the this drug is fully available. And and ai I said, we never count the social cost. We don’t count you know, I mean, this is this would be true for pretty much, you know, a lot of countries that that have a a focus on sport. But, you know, three to five of the worst nights of any given year in Australia in terms of domestic violence are 100% connected to a sporting event.
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01:15:52
Really? Yeah. So a sporting event connected to alcohol. Mhmm. Yeah.
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01:15:56
And then that drives the thing that, you know, brings terror to wives and children. So it’s, you know, it’s the same thing with with all of this stuff. You know? You like you know, we always talk about that, you know, everything in moderation ai of thing. Yeah. But, you know, we always have to remember that we gotta move at the pace of the slowest member of our community.
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01:16:16
That’s a great way to put it because that’s the real issue. Right? It’s not, well, I can handle it so so everybody else can too. That’s not it. It’s like, why can some people handle it, and what could have been done? Like, if you just in school, you’re gonna have to accept that some kids are gonna try meh, some kids are gonna try acid, some kids are gonna try alcohol, they’re gonna most kids are gonna try alcohol.
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01:16:40
Like, why don’t we have education on the proper way to use these things where you don’t get in trouble? You know, ai, at least most people I would I would imagine most kids are not gonna listen anyway, but if more will than would if you didn’t talk about it at all.
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Right.
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01:16:59
If you don’t talk about it
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at all,
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there’s no information out there. At least they can talk.
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01:17:02
Listen. It should be an ongoing process of education. Yeah. And not just education through, failure. You know?
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Right.
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01:17:09
And that’s it.
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01:17:09
Just let me talk to you about it now that you’ve crashed your car into a tree.
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01:17:12
Or now that one of your friends has done that. You know? There’s a lot of that. You see your friends doing something horrible.
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So I’m I’m like you. I’m open to all of this sort of stuff being available and and freedom of choice being a meh. But the responsibility to educate, it’s gotta start at a young age.
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01:17:30
Yeah. I think so. Especially if you’re if you’re using things that are on apps. You know, apps are just young people are so accustomed to using apps, and most apps are giving you that same jolt, that same dopamine brush. You know, it’s just I think you should be able to do whatever you wanna do, but you should know what you’re doing. And that’s where the problem is.
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01:17:53
You kinda have to figure out what you’re doing from your knucklehead friends.
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01:17:56
Yeah. You know? I was gonna suggest that we had a whiskey, but I know that’s gonna ruin my day if I do
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01:18:02
because I’ll get nothing else done. Yeah.
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01:18:05
Yeah. Some people have, like, such a great time drinking during the day. It just doesn’t suit me, man. Yeah. You know? It’s ai you if I if I have a drink at lunch, either I’m asleep by 05:00, right, or I’m raging at 5AM.
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01:18:24
So it’s ai I’ve learned over ai,
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01:18:26
don’t drink during the day.
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01:18:27
You know? Yeah. I stopped drinking entirely for about seven months, something like that. Mhmm. And then I decided to occasionally have a drink. So I’ll have like a glass of wine at dinner or a margarita, I’m out ai out with my wife. Mhmm. But that’s it. I stopped there. I don’t drink drink anymore, ai, let’s go get drinks. I haven’t done that in a long time. Right.
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01:18:49
And the reason why is because I just felt like shit because I was just doing it too many nights a week. And then my workouts would suffer in the morning, and I’m ai, why am I doing this? I do everything so healthy in this one stupid thing that I do that Right. Let me just try not doing it, see if I
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01:19:02
missed it. Also notice as you got a little older that the hangovers, they they don’t go away after a couple of hours. Sure.
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01:19:10
It’s also one of the most important things in my life is energy. Like, how much energy do I have to do things? Like, it’s not just about doing things, it’s about doing them with focus and enthusiasm. And and when you don’t have energy, it’s very difficult to muster up that enthusiasm.
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01:19:26
Ai I hate that feeling that the follow that, you know, I’ve had a great time the night before Yeah. But the following day, nothing gets done Right. Because I had fun the night before. You’re foggy. I ai yeah. I just feel that that’s, you know, such a a a waste because we’ve only got x amount of days. Right?
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01:19:43
But just managing the human mind and managing, like, what to do and what not to do and when to do it, it’s such an important part of being an adult. And it’s one of the things that’s just not explained to kids. That that’s it’s weird.
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01:19:59
I love that old, Bill Hicks routine where he asked the question. You know, the last time you’re in a social situation, it would be a private party, a concert, a sporting event, and people started ai. Were they stoned, or were they drunk? Right. Yeah. It’s like yeah.
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01:20:19
So I Sai don’t get why people can be so aggressively negative towards meh, yet, you know, half a dozen dozen drinks for them socially is a of course. You know, it’s easy. It’s like these two things, you know, are very different outcomes. Yeah. You’re not gonna have the you know, people aren’t gonna be attacking the the base camp when they’re all stoned.
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01:20:50
Yeah.
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They may well have a go at it when they’re on the piss.
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01:20:53
Well, all that’s because of propaganda from the nineteen thirties. That’s all that is down to Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst.
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01:21:01
They they But you know it also connects to the formation of the United Nations. Does it? Take Thailand, for example. The country that’s had hundreds of years of cultural meh use. But in order to join the United Nations, they had to accept an American attitude towards drug laws.
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01:21:19
Now just recently, they’ve taken those drug laws away, and now they’re in a bit of panic because they didn’t plan it very well. Because, like, you know, reality break is I think, you know, California did it through, Arnold Schwarzenegger properly knowing exactly how you’re gonna tax and where the money’s going to when you do tax, for the consumption.
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01:21:42
And so I think, you know, a 140 or something or more shops sprung up overnight in Bangkok. And they’re like, oh, gee. That was that went quicker than we thought it was gonna go. But, I I think it’s actually great for Thailand. It’s a, you know, a drug that particularly suits the groove of that country. You know? Mhmm. Yeah. For sure.
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01:22:04
The food is so incredibly tasty and the beaches and the sunshine and
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01:22:09
Yeah. You know,
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and the heat and you know? So, yeah, it’s sort of but that’s what I was told. I was told that it comes down to, decision that they had to make in order to join the global community.
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01:22:22
That makes sense. That makes sense The United States sai pushed that on everybody else. In Texas, there’s a lot of push from the alcohol lobby.
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01:22:31
Right.
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01:22:31
They try to make marijuana even more illegal.
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01:22:34
Yeah. Because people don’t necessarily have to drink that much.
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01:22:37
Yeah. That’s that’s what they’re worried about. They’re worried about people talking about alcohol. It’s it’s a stupid I mean, the fact that it it works is crazy. That people are still with, like, zero deaths ever. That they’re still pushing Right. You know, to take this one drug away when you’ve got one drug that everybody uses.
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01:22:56
It’s very strange. But it all really goes back to the nineteen thirties.
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01:22:59
Right.
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01:23:00
You know? And it was really just about the commodity of hemp more than it really was even about the drug.
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01:23:05
Right.
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01:23:06
You know the history of that?
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01:23:07
Yeah. Well, I know, a bit about the making of rope from hemp
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01:23:11
Yeah.
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01:23:11
Because of master and commander and spending a lot of time on tall sailing ships.
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01:23:15
The whole thing was about an invention, and it there was a new new invention called the decorticator, and it allowed them to effectively process hemp ai hemp fiber with a machine. Right. Because before that, it was very time intensive, very labor intensive to break it down because they’re very very strong fiber.
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01:23:31
Mhmm.
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01:23:31
So then, Popular Science Magazine has it on the cover, ram the new billion dollar crop because of this machine.
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01:23:38
Right.
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01:23:38
And so then William Randolph Hearst who also owned owned Hearst publications, he also owned paper mills.
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01:23:45
Right.
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01:23:45
So paper mills and he owned forests where he’d make paper out of the forest. All of a sudden there’s this competing commodity where they’re gonna use hemp for paper. It’s a far superior paper.
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01:23:55
Right.
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01:23:56
Hemp is gonna it’s way quicker to grow. You can grow entire fields of it in a year. You get a whole new crop. Ai, it’s not like trees that take years and years to grow before you can chop them down and make paper out of them. And sai, then they arya printing these stories about, Mexicans and and blacks that are raping white women because they’re on this new drug called marijuana.
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01:24:17
Ai. The jazz cigarette.
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01:24:18
Yeah. And so meh, they was really the term for a wild Mexican tobacco. It was didn’t even apply to cannabis. So they they made a new name for it, and they attached this new name. And they got congress to ban it, and before they didn’t even understand it was hemp. Ai, most people didn’t know what was going on.
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01:24:36
They thought there was this new drug that was, like, running through the world, and they just pulled the wool over everybody’s eyes.
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01:24:42
Right.
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01:24:42
They did it because of a commodity, and then they made reefer madness and all those crazy movies, and everybody’s like, ai, my goodness. If you smoke reefer, you’re gonna die. You’re gonna jump out of buildings. And meanwhile, people had been smoking it for thousands of years.
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01:24:54
It’s like pretty amazing way of manipulating public perception and using propaganda.
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01:25:00
Mhmm.
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01:25:01
And, you know, William Randolph Hearst, obviously, the subject of the movie Rosebud. I mean, he was a real piece of shit.
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01:25:06
Citizen Kane. Yeah.
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01:25:07
Yeah. Yeah. Excuse me. Citizen Kane. Yeah. He was a real piece of shit.
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01:25:11
He’s a
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01:25:11
real bad guy.
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01:25:12
You know, according to folkloric tales, he did everything he could to prevent Orson Welles from becoming the filmmaker that he should have become.
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01:25:22
Right. After he made that film. Yeah. And it seems like he was effective with it because, you know, Citizen Kane was so good. And then years later, he’s doing wine commercials
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01:25:31
Right.
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01:25:31
For money.
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01:25:32
Yeah. There’s a funny thing. It’s like a recording where he’s trying to do a voice over for
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01:25:38
Yeah. I heard that.
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01:25:39
Norwegian salmon or something. He’s getting more
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01:25:42
and more pissed off with
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01:25:43
the young producer who’s trying to get him to Yeah. To read it in a certain way.
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01:25:47
Yeah. It’s ai fucked, meh. Because the guy
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01:25:49
was so rough. Those little footage bits of the, who’s the tilting at windmills fella? Don Quixote. Yeah. He went went to Mexico somewhere, arya he sort of started shooting little bits and pieces for potentially a a Don Quixote movie, but it’s just madness. It’s like there’s nothing there’s nothing in there that could actually be in a film.
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01:26:13
He just gone had gone crazy about that.
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01:26:14
He’s a he’s a bloke. We’ll get a bloke with a donkey. We’ll have him walking over there. We’ll shoot that. You know? It’s like but it’s like the the there’s nothing cohesive in it that you could make a movie from.
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01:26:23
I wonder if that’s just from the pressure of essentially being, like, one of the first guys to ever get canceled. He just probably lost his mind.
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01:26:31
Potentially. Right? Absolutely. Because you would you would think that Citizen Kane is your passport to a lifetime of being financed for whatever idea you wanna put on to film. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:26:45
I mean, it’s to this day a classic film that people talk about. And then also, you’re the same guy that did the War of Worlds.
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01:26:51
Mhmm.
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01:26:51
You read that on the radio and freaked half the country out.
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01:26:54
Right.
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01:26:55
The same guy. And so, I mean, he was a wunderkind. Right? He was a this guy that, like, everybody thought was ai a once in a lifetime saloni, and he snuffed out.
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01:27:05
Yeah.
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01:27:06
And back then, you have to consider, if you’re William Randolph Hearst, you you have Hearst publications, you’re essentially in control of whatever narrative you wanna push forth, and no one’s gonna get in your way. So all ai would have to do is make some phone calls, and that guy, fuck him. He doesn’t work again.
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01:27:23
Right.
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01:27:23
Crazy.
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01:27:24
It’s a little bit little bit. We got way too much power in the hands of media moguls. Yeah. You know? And as we go on, that reduction of opinion just keeps happening. You know? Mhmm. One company swallows another, swallows another. Sai think we’re in situation now in Meh, right, when, you know, twenty years ago, there was two dozen major media companies, or thirty years ago, and now it’s three.
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01:27:50
I know. Yeah. That’s crazy. And just like with the shah market and the biggest companies in the world, they end up owning each other. Yeah.
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01:28:00
So it’s not three big companies. It’s really just one with three different names.
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01:28:05
Yeah. And they decide what the news is. It’s nuts, but that’s the one beautiful thing about today is that independent media takes up the slack and often gets more views than main you know, air quote mainstream corporate media. Mhmm. And so now corporate media is forced to report on things eventually. Ai, the New York Times is forced to report on certain things that are inconvenient eventually. Mhmm.
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01:28:31
Where they would have just ai to have ignored it. Right. But it gets so big in the zeitgeist that it has to become something that’s discussed. Yeah. And that’s that’s fascinating because it’s ai dragging them into the reality that the Internet lives in, which is a reality of a free exchange of information.
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01:28:46
The whole whole, horizon of television just so dramatically different now.
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01:28:53
So different.
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01:28:54
You know, I get to a hotel, and I’ll scroll through a 160 available channels. There’s nothing I’m interested in watching. Yeah. It’s ai, how is that even possible? You know?
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01:29:07
It’s also watching something that’s already going. Ai, it starts at seven. Why? Why doesn’t it start whenever I sit down? Right. This is stupid. Like, you have an old model. This model’s dumb.
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01:29:18
Right.
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01:29:18
It’s like radio versus podcast. The same ai of thing. It’s like no one wants to have to be listening, sitting in their car waiting for you to finish a sentence. They wanna hit pause, ai do whatever the fuck they’re doing, come back and play again. Right. This is a dumb way you’re doing things.
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01:29:33
You’re doing things in on 8PM, it’s Mikey and the boys. Yeah.
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01:29:37
And I’d see, I never had that life. You know, the the last time I remember that being a thing is maybe in high school. Right? Where my mom and dad, well, my mom particularly would like to watch Dallas.
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01:29:49
Right.
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01:29:49
So we would all get together and watch Dallas at 08:00 or whatever on a Tuesday or whatever. You know? And that just doesn’t, just doesn’t happen in my life at all anymore.
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01:30:00
Because, like The last time it happened, I think, for me was The Sopranos on HBO. Right. Because it was on I I believe it was on Sunday nights.
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01:30:07
Right.
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01:30:07
And everybody knew what time it was on, and you go home and I had a TiVo back then. Meh those?
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01:30:13
Right. Where
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01:30:13
you could record shows and go back and watch them later and pause them and stuff like that. And it was, like, revolutionary before streaming. Oh, my god. You could record shows and watch them whenever you want.
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01:30:23
Embarrassingly, I’ve only ever seen maybe four or five Sopranos episodes. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. And every time I watch it, I go, I cannot believe that I didn’t get the overtaken by this at the time because Gandolfini was a mate. He he was a I met him, like, early nineties or, yeah, early nineties in in New York.
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01:30:44
He him and a friend of mine called Lenny Lofton used to, ram a place together on 40 Fourth And Ninth in Hell’s Kitchen. And, you know, this is ai a an apartment on the maybe the Fourth Floor of a building. And there were, like, couple of windows that didn’t even have glass in ai. They had, like, plastic sheets and a blanket nailed up against the window.
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01:31:05
And that’s that’s what, you know, the situation that Gandolfini was in when I first met him. Wow. A few years later, he was obviously very successful. But my youngest son, Tennyson, is ai a a Sopranos expert. Like, you you can say a ai to him, hint, and he’ll know what episode, what season, and who said that. Wow. It’s like he’s so into it.
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01:31:28
And, you know, when when I have started watching him very recently, actually, some ducks landed on a pool, on the farm, so I took a photo. And there was, like, thousands of comments or
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01:31:39
whatever it was straight away going, ah, ai
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01:31:41
like Tony Soprano. I had no idea what people were talking about.
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01:31:44
Oh, that’s right.
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01:31:44
Ai had to discuss it with my son because, oh, yeah. There’s this sequence. So I’ve watched that sequence with the ducks. Yeah. But Gandolfini, man, what a great actor he was.
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01:31:52
Ai, he was What
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01:31:53
a great character, actually.
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01:31:54
On that show. He was so he was it was the first guy who was essentially the hero of the shah, who was a murderer. A murderer, a terrible person, a mob boss, and you liked him. Right. It was insane. Like, that the fact that he could pull that he had the depth to pull off that, where he’s doing horrible things to people and you’re rooting for him.
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01:32:19
Right.
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01:32:19
You’re rooting for him. You’re not hoping he gets shot. You want Tony to live.
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01:32:24
Who’s that guy that that you have it on here every now and then? Joey Diaz? Yeah. Yeah. He’s a funny guy.
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01:32:29
Oh, he’s the funniest guy that’s
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01:32:30
ever lived. I heard him tell that story one time
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01:32:33
about,
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01:32:34
the same week that Cinderella Cinderella meh came out, I I went to the premiere of Longest Yard, because, you know, Chris Rock was in that and stuff, and there’s a few people in that cast who, I really like. And so I went to the the movie, and, I just remember him telling a story about the lights come up, and he didn’t realize he was sitting next to me or whatever.
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01:32:55
I think it’d be a very dangerous room for me and Joey Diaz to be in. I think we’d be, having a You
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01:33:01
guys have a good time?
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01:33:02
Yeah. A little bit.
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01:33:02
Joey brings a party. Yeah.
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01:33:04
Yeah. Yeah. He’s the funniest
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01:33:05
guy I’ve ever met.
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01:33:06
Oh, man. He’s got some stories.
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01:33:07
Oh, my god. They never end. I’ve met I’ve known him for fucking thirty years. He’s always got a new story. He’s just a maniac and, you know, I mean, went to jail for armed kidnapping, kidnapped a drug dealer with a machine gun. He was out of his mind on coke. Right. Yeah. He was Oops. He was a wild fellow. He was a wild fellow when he was young.
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01:33:26
When I met him, he was like right out of jail.
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01:33:29
How did you meet Jimmy Carr?
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01:33:31
I think I met Jimmy at the Comedy Store, I believe. Pretty sure. You know, I’d already known about him. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I’d already known about him. Quite a fucking great guy. Yeah, man. It’s so funny. Oh, my God. He he performed at the mothership last time he was in town.
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01:33:45
We were all in the balcony watching. He’s so good, so crisp. The punch ai are so oh, he’s so good. Such a pleasure.
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01:33:55
And he just keeps educating himself.
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01:33:58
Yeah.
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01:33:58
You know? He’s got this voracious mind.
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01:34:01
Well, he’s a brilliant guy, you know. And to see that brilliance applied to an art form, you know, to accommodate. It’s like you’re singing.
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01:34:09
He’s just as funny in casual conversation.
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01:34:10
Oh, yeah.
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01:34:11
You know? You sit down. We have a chat because we speak a little bit of time together. And, it it’s funny because he’s, you know, significantly younger than me, but he’s teaching me stuff. You know? I’ve never been a vacation person, for example. You know, there’s work and home. Mhmm. But home isn’t often fully restful because, you know, I’ve got a football team. I’ve got other businesses.
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01:34:37
I’ve got farm to run, you know, cows to look after and all that sort of stuff. So but a couple of years ago, he just put it in my mind, like, let’s just sai, we’ll take these dates, and I’ll meet you somewhere. You know? So the first time we did it, we meh up in Puglia in Southern Italy.
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And earlier this year, we met up in Marbella, but I’ve already booked in a vacation for next year. I don’t do that. It’s but it’s ai, that thing of going somewhere which isn’t home and isn’t work, having no agenda, sort of hanging out by the pool, reading a book, right, from beginning to end Yeah.
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To you know, without having to sort of put it aside and come back to it a week later and go, what was the protagonist doing again? You know, it’s speak yeah. It’s, very interesting. It’s very interesting that I should be, you know, I’m getting this late life education from a British comedian.
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That is ai that he’s teaching you how. None of Yeah. No wife taught you how to do that? It’s sai I think it there’s a reason why people go on vacations. They’re not all stupid. You know? There’s a benefit to it. Yeah.
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I think
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But, see, I didn’t grow up in that sort of family. We didn’t have the money for that sort of
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thing. Right.
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You know, we went on one big family holiday in 1970 where we all piled into my dad’s station wagon, then we drove from Sydney up to Northern Queensland. But a a cyclone came through on the way, so we had, like, four days of sunshine and twenty six days of rain. So living in a caravan playing monopoly.
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So it it’s not like I look back. Oh, I remember the great vacations of my childhood. So it was ai, you know, my dad used to run pubs, so you don’t get holiday. You you you you
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You had to learn
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it. Based on the the licensing laws. You have to be the first person there in the morning. You have to be the last person there at night. So we ai lived that sort of life where everything was based on on the running the pub. You know? So, but it’s it’s cool. It’s good time for me to learn about it now.
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Well, don’t you think, like, as a person who does anything creative, you have to have a bunch of different kinds of experiences to draw from.
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Mhmm.
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And if you just stay in the same environment all the time, it’s probably generally not good for you. Mhmm. Like, you need to go see other people. You need to go different places. Not just to refresh and relax, but also to take in. Ai, just different
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But you ai, I do so much traveling.
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For work.
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You know, for meh. For work.
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Oh, that’s what I was gonna ask you.
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Why are they doing a
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Portland film in Munich? Is it that cheap to go like, how bad did they fuck up Portland? That it’s cheaper to go to Munich to film?
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Is that
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what it is?
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You you have tax incentives
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that are being Right.
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You know, offered various places. And that happens a lot here. There’ll be, you know, x amount of movies pretty much in every every state who can apply for a a tax incentive, and, some states are are more competitive than others. Right. Louisiana, for example, Georgia. They California basically gives you nothing. So Isn’t that crazy? It it’s very hard to shoot in California.
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Those
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silly fucks.
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Well, the thing is, it’s such a busy place, and the studio is there. The studios would rather have a television show that’s gonna be there for a decade than a movie that’s in and out in four months. You know, it’s better for them. Right? So, but it it’s you know, the world has opened up hugely in the last thirty years in terms of film production.
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And, you know, you’re taking advantage of homegrown, film talent and then building on that with international investment.
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Well, that’s great. That’s a great aspect.
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You know, Australia has a big history, for example, of making films. Mhmm. Technically, arguably, the first full length feature film, The True History of the Ned Kelly Gang might have been called that, sai, like, nineteen o six, nineteen o eight, something like shah, was made in Australia.
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Really? Yeah. And, you know, all the way through, but, you know, it takes to about the seventies or whatever, then you have this sort of new generation of Australian filmmakers who are actually making stories that reflect the current culture. And I think that’s sort of happening worldwide as well.
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01:38:58
Have you seen Talk to Me? No. Talk to Me is a fantastic horror movie that these two young guys from I’m saying the right name. Right? They were on the podcast. I’m I’m pretty sure it’s Talk to Me. It’s about this dead hand that someone found. What what are the gentleman’s names?
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Danny and Michael Fillipu. Ai think that’s how you say it.
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Ai you say Fillipu?
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Fillipu. Yeah. Hilarious ai. Just bundles of energy. They’re fucking nuts. But, this was, like, their first real film that they made. They put together this and they did it all themselves, and it’s a horror movie. And it’s really good. It’s ai Where are they from? They’re from Australia.
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I don’t know what part. Jamie will find out. Alright. There they are. These two two fellas.
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Okay.
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And they, you know, they finish each other’s sentences. They’re just nuts. And they’re just like, they’re on ten all the time.
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Oh, cool.
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Does it say Adelaide? There you go. Right. So they’re 32. But that’s a completely Australian made movie that was a hit worldwide, recently. Mhmm. And obviously, Mad Max
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was ai giant show. When you start going through it, you you sort of do realize there’s been, you know, probably a a a much larger percentage than you would expect given the population of the country in terms
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of
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people in film, whether it’s directors of photography or or directors them themselves Or actors. Editors and the actors and
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all sorts of how many famous actors is coming there.
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It’s crazy, man.
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It’s really bryden. When I
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was a young fella making my first movies, you had, Mel Gibson and Judy Davis. But Mel was born in America, so it didn’t really count.
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Mhmm.
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You know? There was other guys around, like, you know, Brian Brown had done cocktail and Gorillas in the Mist. Ai to that, you have guys like Jack Thompson. But when you really look into it, you know, then you have these other guys. It goes all the way back to Errol Flynn. There is a connection all the way through that, you know, there are certain people working in the business, but
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sai Australia? What’s that? Errol Flynn was Australia? He
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was born in Tasmania. Wow. And either born in Tasmania or born in Papua New Guinea and grew up in other place, but I think he was born in Tasmania. But if you think about it since the early nineties, you know, Nicole Kidman, Cate Blanchett, Hugh Jackman, Chris Hemsworth Crazy. Margot Robbie. It’s just outrageous. Yeah. Jeffrey Rush.
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You know, there’s, like, name after name after name of of people who’ve made a, you know, significant contribution in cinema.
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Yeah. I mean, you consider the population size, which is, essentially does the population of the entire country is basically LA. Right?
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It’s 25 mil. Yeah. It’s basically Southern California, and it’s ai. You know? But it’s hard to explain to people. You know? You show them where the major cities are, and they go, oh, what happens in the middle? Yeah. Not a lot.
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01:42:07
Yeah. You don’t wanna be there. It’s mainly desert. It’s ai,
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you know, if you like wide open spaces,
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you’re welcome. And a lot of things can kill you.
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A lot of things. A lot of things. Yeah. Just had a little sort of thing on the farm, actually. My girlfriend’s got a a papillon dog, which is a beautiful dog, sort of long haired. And, it got a paralysis tick, and they realized she realized that between her and this other girl that looks after the the puppy ai not there, they’d got their dates mixed up, and so it wasn’t actually covered for flea and tick, you know, stuff in its bloodstream.
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Sai very dangerous. So they had to shave the dog completely and everything, and they they pulled off another couple of ticks, but there was only just the one paralysis tick, so it’s okay. But if you leave that and if you don’t deal with it, the dog’s gonna be dead in a minute.
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Paralysis ticks.
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Yeah. Yeah. It gets into their into their body, and and it is it it affects them the way the name says on the box.
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01:43:06
There’s one that’s going on in America now, called the, well, what it what it gives, it’s it’s saloni star tick is, what what gives you this bite and this produces something called alpha gal, and it makes you allergic to red meat. What? Yeah. It’s ai friend, my good friend Evan Hayford got it.
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And he he was allergic to red meat for a good solid year, and then eventually it went away, and then it came back again recently. It’s it’s a huge pain in the ass.
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So we we have ticks in Australia, but we’ve never had to deal with Lyme disease like you have here. But Yeah. In the last, you know, four or five decades, people started raising deer in Australia for for meat and what have you, and a few of them get away. You know? There’s there’s no deer farms around where I am, which is North Of Sydney by 600 k’s.
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But recently, a couple of the guys who work for me on the farm said they’ve seen deer going through the bush at the back of my block. You know? So that means that there’s some just animals that have escaped, and they’re most likely to have been in the Southern Ai, which is South Of Sydney.
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Somehow, they’ve got themselves all the way up to where where I am.
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01:44:21
How many miles is that or kilometers?
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Well, we’re probably talking about 700 something kilometers.
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They just wandered? Yeah. Wow.
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And and didn’t get run over or didn’t get, you know That’s crazy. Absolutely crazy.
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And they probably bring in ticks.
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Probably. And the wrong kind of ticks. Yeah.
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01:44:40
In America, they have a problem with that too. Deer farms and this, disease called chronic wasting disease.
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Mhmm.
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And it’s spread throughout, large swaths of America have a giant issue with this, where, deer herds get infected. My friend Doug Duran, he has a, a farm out in Wisconsin, and they they’ve had a significant problem with it to the point where they’ve started issuing more tags and thinning the herd.
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01:45:05
They’re trying to kill more deer to try to lessen this spread of this stuff because chronic wasting disease, it meh it’s a prion disease. So it’s like, it it it gets on plants. It has it stays on them for a long time. So they start drooling when they have it, and in that drool is more chronic wasting disease. Right.
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01:45:25
So another deer will come along and graze on the ground where they drool, then they get it horrible, horrible disease. And a lot of it emanated from these, deer farms.
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When I first, bought the farm, which was a 100 acres to start with, but it’s now, like, 1,700, that is attached to a state forest as well. So I can get up behind my place and go for days
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Oh, wow.
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Which is just sort of ai, you know, which is cool. But back in the day, we used to have platypus in the creeks. We had wombats. And now I see more foxes than I see, native animals, or I see an equivalent amount of foxes sai I see wallabies.
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Are foxes invasive?
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There you go. And they’re vatsal, you know, because they eat anything and everything.
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01:46:16
Yeah.
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I used to have a big family of, what we call bush turkeys living behind the house, and they’re still there. But they used to just proudly walk around, you know, and and it was fun. You’re going through the bush, and then suddenly there’s a road full of bush turkeys. It’s great. You know? But, now the population is right down, and they’re totally ninja now. You know? You you don’t see them very often.
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When you do, they’re, like, very suspicious, like, checking you out. You know? They’re just being
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01:46:43
hunted 20 fourseven. Foxes, man. Yeah. You also have a a large feral cat problem. Right?
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Gigantic. Yeah. Gigantic. The one and only cat that I let my mother have at the farm. This is way back meh Ai was training for Cinderella Meh, and, you know, they sent me this group of boxes of Olympic guys and stuff like that. And every single one of them can smash the piss out of me in the ring, so I’ve gotta smash the piss out of another area.
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So I ai them till they drop, you know, getting them on bicycles and taking them to the bush, you know, and things like that just to sort of, like, keep the balance. You know? And, this one particular day and I had it in my mind that I was just gonna absolutely smash ai. I was gonna get into this situation because there’s one road. You know? And I was just gonna get so far in front of them, psychologically damage them. You know?
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So so I just How devious. Just had a conversation with my mom, and she was like, oh, darling. You know, I’d, you know, I’d really love to have a cat. And I’m like, mom, we ai in this privileged situation. We’ve got sulfur crested cockatoos, rosellas, king parrots, all these beautiful birds. The and the worst thing that we could do for them is put a cat into that.
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So you can’t have a cat. You know? I’m riding through the bush. 25, 30 k’s in at this point. Right? I’m getting to the top of this hill.
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I’m looking down. I’m seeing these boys struggling ai some distance, probably about a kilometer and a half away from you know? And I’m going, good. I’ll just have a little rest here. And I just hear this little noise, and I’m like, what the hell is that?
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01:48:18
So I just take three or four steps off the road. You know, probably about seven or eight minutes ago, I was coming around this corner and a car was there on the road, which is kinda unusual for the ai forest in that particular area. Right? So I take these three or four steps in, and there’s a little kitten sitting in the bush. Like, what the hell? So I pick it up. It’s warm.
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You know? I’m, Sai can’t leave it here, so I put it in my backpack. Right? And I complete the ride to get to the top of this hill where this trig station is, and everybody’s standing around. And I go, oh, I found a cat.
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01:48:54
You know?
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So I bring it out. Everyone’s all these big boxes go, oh, you know, cute little kitten. So I took it home to my mom. I said, okay. Here’s your cat. Yeah. And the way that I reasoned it is ai, this is me saying to my mother, you cannot have something that will make you happy, and then the universe goes, listen to your mother.
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So yeah. Then now that cat hated human beings for the rest of its life. You know? Wow. The only person it got on with was my mom.
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And we used to have, like, four bells around its neck so it could give the birds enough warning. So it it didn’t, cause too much damage.
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01:49:31
So it was a feral cat then? I think. Or was it tossed out of that car?
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01:49:36
I think so. Yeah. Oh. It was too clean and too warm for it to have been limped, but that’s what people do. They have a problem. They have a cat that has a litter. They don’t know how to solve it. Pet stores don’t want it. Their friends don’t want it. So they come up with the concept of just chucking them into the bush.
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01:49:53
Well, didn’t it start out what they brought they introduced cats to try to eliminate some other animal?
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01:49:59
We have such a history of stupidity in that regard. Have you heard of the cane toad?
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01:50:04
Yes. Yes.
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It’s just so fantastic. Right? Yeah. So, you know, they’re growing sugarcane in Queensland, and there’s a particular flying creature that they wanna control. So they start looking around. We always blame the British for this because it’s usually it’s usually a naturalist a British naturalist or scientist that comes up with the concept.
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01:50:24
And so they they look through all the aisles. Can’t remember where they found it ram, but they they found this toad who seemed to have this ai for this particular insect, and they would feed it. It ate it. They were great. So we’ll introduce the cane toad to get amongst the sugarcane and lessen that creature.
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01:50:42
When they were checking if the cane toad would eat the creature, they were feeding it dead ones. Right? It’s a flying creature. Toad doesn’t have a tongue like a frog. Can’t catch this thing if it’s flying.
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01:50:59
Sai it was of no use at all
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01:51:02
Oh my god.
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In ai to lessen that population. However, it became ai a dominant speak, and and it was in Queensland, but now it’s starting to come in New South Wales, so they’re basically marching south. And it’s a problem. It’s it’s ai a serious problem. They secrete poison. So if a dog gets interested and the toe gets afraid, the dog can sort of, like, sniff or lick its head, then get poisoned, and that’s the end of your dog.
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01:51:27
You know? But there was a period of time there where there’s actually a documentary from the nineties called cane toads, and it sort of just points out how crazy people were getting with it. You know, people in, like, small country towns walking from their house to the pub, taking a cricket bat and just smacking the cane toads off the road as they went.
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01:51:47
You know? It’s ai, all these people becoming, like, you know, crazed with the idea of of getting rid of the cane toad population, but it it hasn’t affected them. They just keep growing.
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01:51:56
How much is the population now? How big is it?
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01:51:59
So big. And these things Jamie, can you do me a favor? Look up the weight of the largest cane toad that they found because it’s it’s always a surprise. Ai things grow. And if they’re in the right environment and things that they can eat and feed on, they just get bigger and bigger.
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01:52:16
The biggest. Woah. Look at
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this thing.
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01:52:19
Look at this thing, mate. Woah. Vatsal like an English bulldog.
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01:52:25
Howdy, dudey. It’s bigger than my dog.
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01:52:27
Oh my god.
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01:52:29
Than my dog’s.
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01:52:29
Look at his head. What is the weight on that fucker?
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01:52:34
What does it say?
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01:52:38
That’s crazy.
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01:52:48
Ai gonna wait there.
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01:52:50
Does it say how big?
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It was a record down. Of course it’s not.
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01:52:54
Oh, fat that fucker is. Two point seven Ai
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01:52:56
point eight pounds. Wow. That looks bigger than five point eight pounds.
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01:53:01
It does. But it might be a perspective thing. Either way
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I I said that was the current one.
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01:53:05
Oh, show the video. Scroll up sai you can see that video or make it larger. Like, where she’s holding it. Yeah. It looks like about five pounds. Boy. Have you ever seen when they, there’s a lot of horrible videos online where they take toads and they put them in a box with mice?
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01:53:21
Ever see what toads do to mice? No. You would never think that toads are ferocious. Right. You know, you never think that toads are basically monsters.
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01:53:30
These just giant mouthed monsters that swallow mice whole, but they do. They’re super aggressive. It’s crazy to watch. Jamie Yeah. Yeah. I know you’re gonna get one.
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Make sure it was worth pulling up.
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01:53:46
Is this a good one? Yeah. But there’s, there’s ones where there’s a bunch of them in boxes. Sai, this one is kinda weird because he’s not freaking out yet. He’s being sneaky.
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01:54:00
Oh, what’s that?
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01:54:01
Look at that head. Look at his head. I mean, if that thing was ai, like that was a hippopotamus shaped chasing after you. Ai how quick that is.
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01:54:13
How did how did he get it? Must be closer than me. It looks like
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01:54:17
He just swallowed them whole. Yeah. Oh, watch how quick he does it.
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01:54:20
Yeah. This bit here. Oh, it’s just one step forward and bang. Yeah.
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01:54:25
Just snap. Yeah. Go sai if you can find one of them video oh, he just inhales them. He ai he literally inhaled them. He got
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01:54:32
a little bit of a tongue.
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01:54:33
Oh, he he grabbed him with the tongue first.
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01:54:35
You’re right.
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01:54:35
He yanked him in.
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01:54:36
Oh, god.
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01:54:38
See if you can find those videos where there’s a ton of them in a box.
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If we’re getting two live feedings
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01:54:46
Yeah. Of the mice.
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01:54:51
Like this.
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01:54:53
Either way
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Ai bullfrog is not a game to Slightly different.
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01:54:57
Giant African bullfrog. Either way. Point is, they eat mice. They eat them whole. Right. And and how many of them are now in Australia? How many million? Oh, here we go. This ai just gonna go ham. Sai that’s all. He’s gonna eat all of them? Look how gross those things are.
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01:55:16
They look so dumb, just so mindless and and gross.
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01:55:24
Sai I don’t think he’s gonna get all of them, but he’s not long enough.
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01:55:27
He hasn’t gotten any of them. I can what’s going on here?
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01:55:31
Just gathering them in a corner.
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01:55:34
It’s it’s a creepy animal. So and so like, what are the numbers? Like, put that into perplexity.
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01:55:42
Cane toads?
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01:55:43
Yeah. How many cane toads ask our sponsor. How many cane toads are in, Australia? What was the initial deposit? Like, how many they drop off?
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01:55:54
Had it. It was only a couple 100, and then they bred, like, 60,000 in 1937. And the answer for now is estimated at 200,000,000.
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01:56:07
Man. And that little fly that eats the sugarcane, it’s
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01:56:12
still there. Oh my god. 200,000,000.
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01:56:18
Yeah. But sai, look, if you see where those that see that cluster of light blue balls. Right?
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01:56:22
Mhmm.
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01:56:22
They basically in there, in the middle of that that cluster is where they dropped them to start with. And look at how they’ve
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01:56:30
Well, Well, they’re gonna make their way across
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01:56:32
the whole country. Forty forty nine. So the white one is actually where they put them to start. Wow. Everything else is migration.
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01:56:38
And by 2000, look how far they’ve gone. Wow. But what’s the plan to get rid of those things?
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01:56:47
I’m not sure that they have a cohesive plan.
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01:56:49
There’s no plan. Well, that’s the problem. If they have a plan, they’re gonna bring in some lizard or something. Yeah. Frogs.
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01:56:54
That’s gonna end up, you know, doing something else.
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01:56:56
Yeah. It’s gonna kill everything else.
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01:56:57
Every single time they’ve done that. You know, like, in New Zealand, for example, they introduced the gorse bush as a way to have hedging instead of fences. But New Zealand’s got a way higher, rainfall and sunshine hours than England where it came ram, so now it’s just everywhere. You know?
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01:57:14
Sai beautiful, arable farmland just taken over by gorse. And when it grows in Australia in New Zealand, it grows thicker and more prickly and much harder to to deal with. We have the same thing in Australia with plants like lantana, just everywhere, all through the bush, you know, in my lifetime.
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So in ’96, I used to be able to walk through certain areas of my property just under tall trees with, you know, subtropical ferns and vines on the ground. Now there’s many areas of my property that are just impossible. You cannot get through it anymore because it’s just choked out with introduced weeds.
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01:57:49
What is that crazy plant down south that we talked about once that is overrun some of these forests? It’s pretty beautiful, but it’s also very creepy to see what it’s done just ai taking over all the trees. All the trees, all the anything on the ground just covered wisteria? It’s called kudzu. Kudzu.
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01:58:08
Yeah. I’ll make sure this is the rest of it. That’s where it’s talking about.
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01:58:11
Yeah. That’s it.
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01:58:12
Look at that.
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01:58:12
Right. Ain’t that nuts? Yeah. Ai, that image is creepy.
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01:58:15
Yeah. Well, I
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01:58:16
mean, that’s like a steep canyon.
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01:58:17
Meh place, man. I used to have Look
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01:58:18
at that.
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01:58:19
Waterfalls and creeks.
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01:58:20
Look at that. It’s taking over that whole building.
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01:58:21
That’s crazy.
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01:58:22
Everything. Yeah. Just where did it come from?
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01:58:30
So that’s in Fiji. Yeah?
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01:58:32
Yeah. It’s in The United States, though. So what was it how was it brought in?
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01:58:40
Japan.
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01:58:40
Oh, these people bring it in on purpose?
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01:58:42
That’s just where it’s that’s where it’s originated from. Sorry.
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01:58:44
Right. History of US introduction introduced from Japan in 1876.
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01:58:50
New Orleans exposition.
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01:58:52
Oh, that’s where I heard there’s a lot of it. Vine was widely marketed in the Southeast as an ornamental plant, and ai it just took Cabal arya. Wow. It’s it’s funny when people try to do that because they they never learn and yet they still try the same thing.
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01:59:09
Over and over.
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01:59:10
Yeah. There’s so many times they’ve been introduced invasive species. I have a buddy of mine, it’s not necessarily an invasion species, but I have a buddy of mine who lives in Colorado, and, they just reintroduced wolves Right. Into this area where they have farms.
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01:59:24
Right.
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01:59:24
And sai, they took wolves from Washington state where they’d been killing cows, and so they had to relocate them. So where they relocate them to? They relocated them to a place with cows. Right. But And, of course, these wolves start killing cows again.
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01:59:38
Haven’t they shown them in one of the national parks here that, by supporting the speak predator, a whole bunch of other problems get solved.
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01:59:47
Sai by the reason Yellowstone reintroduction. And so that’s called, How Wolves Changed Rivers. Right? That meh. There’s a lot of people that push back against that. I think you definitely need predators because there was at one point in time an overpopulation of elk, in Montana to the point where they were having winter saloni, winter rifle saloni, where they would issue a lot of tags.
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02:00:14
So in the winter, they’re stuck in deep snow and you just go pick them off. Right. You know, and it was because they had so many that it was actually detrimental to the herd itself, to the health of the herd itself.
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02:00:24
Right.
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02:00:24
So they reintroduced wolves, the population dropped ai, I think, more than 40%. It might have been more than that. It might have been I I don’t know. Look, see how much, elk’s population has dropped since the introduction of wolves into Montana in the Yellowstone introduction. So there’s definitely a balance that needs to be achieved.
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02:00:46
The problem is that area where they’re doing that, then the elk are gonna eat the deer gonna the wolves rather sana eat the elk sana occasionally, they’ll stray onto cattle and then they’ve they’re allowed to issue depredation tags and you can get a problem wolf killed. But what they did in Colorado is they brought them right to where the cows are. Yeah.
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02:01:08
They took wolves that had a history of they know how to kill cows. That’s what they do. They know how to kill calves. They’ve been doing it for their whole lives and they took them and they introduced them to a place where there’s no no protection. No one’s ready for it, no one has guard set up, they don’t have dogs set up, they don’t have anything set up to stop wolves.
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02:01:27
So it it so let’s see. When the reintroduction was 1995, the winter count was approximately 17,000 elk when wolf reintroduction began. It fall to fell to 10,000 by 2003. By 2013, only 3,915 elk represents a drop of roughly 75 from pre reintroduction numbers. That’s kinda crazy. But 19,000 is too many. That’s kind of nuts.
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02:01:59
That’s that’s a that’s an overpopulation that can lead to disease and famine and all kinds of things. And you don’t have a a good stable ecosystem with both predators and prey. You get a situation like you have in New Zealand where they have to gun down stags ai. They have to helicopter stags because they just get over populated.
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02:02:18
Right.
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02:02:18
You know, New Zealand is one of those places where the all these game animals from Europe were introduced specifically to set up New Zealand as a beautiful hunting refuge.
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02:02:28
Right.
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02:02:28
They would go there and hunt sai, but, you know, the problem is you have to have saloni. Like, this whole you can’t just enter into, like, human ai. You know, like, oh, well, one plus one is two, so we’ll just add one. Now we got no. It’s not how it works. Like, you have to maintain the population of these creatures that you’ve now dropped off with no natural balance.
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02:02:53
We have a big problem in certain areas of Australia with wild horses. Yeah. They have Meh America’s
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02:02:58
wild horses.
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02:02:58
We call them mustangs. We call them brumbies. You know, obviously, a horse was really important in Australia when it was being opened up and and first colonized and populated and what have you. And then, you know, first World War, we still had light horse cavalry and what have you.
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02:03:16
So in certain areas, but mainly in the area where the mountains are in Australia, which crosses between New South Wales into the state of Victoria. And, you know, we we name things pretty simply in Australia. You know? The, the black snake with meh on its stomach is the red belly black snake.
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02:03:35
You know, we keep it pretty simple for the tourists. Now what’s that brown snake called? That’s it’s called a brown snake, mate. So that area of the country is called the Snowy Mountains. And and, you know, we have this sort of cultural connection to the Brumbies, which is things like, you know, the man from Snowy River is based on guys going out to to capture wild horses.
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02:03:57
But the population of wild horses has got to a point where it’s destroying the ecosystem of that area. So now they have to go and find a way of of bringing that population down.
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02:04:10
Yeah. They hunt wild horses.
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02:04:11
Difficult for people, particularly like somebody like meh, who I love I love horses, but I have to put that love for horses aside to what it’s doing to the rest of the native animals. And in Australia, we’ve, like, blessed with so many unusual and fantastic creatures, but we haven’t really been good, husbands of the land. Mhmm.
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02:04:31
And and we haven’t really focused on what’s good for them. So
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02:04:36
Yeah. I have a good buddy of mine, Adam Greentree, who lives in Australia, and he tells me that people actually hunt the wild horses. Mhmm.
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02:04:43
I was like, oh. Yeah. I
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02:04:46
don’t think I can
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02:04:46
It it sound it sounds rough, but, you know, we gotta do something because the quite frankly, the wombats and the platypus and the quokkas and the kangaroos and the wallabies are a little bit more important than the wild horses.
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02:05:00
Yeah. It’s, it’s a strange thing. You know, the the balance of nature is a very strange thing. It’s, it’s very complex. There’s so many elements to it. That’s that’s what they’re trying to highlight in vatsal, Wolves Change River documentary. The problem with that Wolves Change River documentary is the guy who created that is a proponent of rewilding. Right.
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02:05:24
To the point where I think he wants to reintroduce, like, dangerous predators to Europe. Mhmm. Like, he’s he’s got some crazy ideas about rewilding Right. Like, going way back. Ai mean, I
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02:05:36
don’t know how much that I was talking to you about, Merlin Hanbury Tennyson.
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02:05:39
Mhmm.
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02:05:42
Came out of school, went in the army, did two or three tours, but now has found himself in a situation where he’s taken over a block of land that his his father bought in the fifties or sixties or something, and he’s turning that block of land back into temperate rainforest and seeing all of these benefits because of it. So instead of trying to, you know, run run sheep or run some other, commercial herd, he’s just letting the country go back to what it should be and seeing incredible results because of it.
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02:06:22
Ai, what kind of results?
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02:06:23
Well, what he’s shifted now and is using it for now is, like, PTSD recovery. So former soldiers are shah have just go to this place and, and, you know, find a new balance because they’re, you know, in that sort of natural environment. But just the without certain creatures eating types of trees over as as shoots and fresh shoots, those trees are actually getting, a hold.
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02:06:50
So it it should be, you know, oak trees, for example. You know? And there’s only, like, you know, was only just a few there. But by taking out the non native animals, you’re seeing those trees increase. I mean, there’s a book. I forget it. If you could look it up for me, Jamie.
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02:07:08
Merlin Hanbury Tennyson, the book just came out. It’s a great book. It really is. It’s such sai unusual read. You’re sort of reading it, and you think, okay.
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02:07:16
It’s like the reestablishment of a temperate rainforest. How can this be good? But then when he ties it in to the life journey of his father and his father’s, like, health problems and and stuff, it it gets really emotional, and it’s quite a beautiful read. I ai recommend it. Could you find it?
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02:07:34
Our Our Oak and Bones.
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02:07:37
Our Oak and Bones. Yeah. It’s really good read.
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02:07:42
Yeah. Nature in that form, in its pure form, is like a vitamin, I think. It really is.
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02:07:48
Mhmm.
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02:07:48
I think it’s really it’s an actual good you know, like, you go out in the sai, the sun produces vitamin d. Mhmm. I think there’s something that we haven’t quantified yet that you’re producing that you meh. Yeah.
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02:07:58
They’re getting around to it. And things like what he’s doing, where you can actually read the physical benefits of people going in the bush. But that’s that’s what I get when I go home. You know?
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02:08:08
100%.
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02:08:09
I get out into the bush and sometimes Sai just, you know, I might drive a machine to a certain point and I just get off and I walk and I just listen, you know, and I go and visit trees that I like or areas that I like. I’m actually going through a you know, a long time ago, I planted, like, 38,000 trees as a kind of an offset a carbon offset. Right?
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02:08:30
Now those some of those trees are 25 plus years old, so I’m going through the process in that 44 acres where I planted that plantation of taking out all the nonnative undergrowth. And then the next stage is gonna be putting back into that area the trees that arya ripped out of there prior to the first World War, red cedar and white mahogany and all these things.
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02:08:50
So, you know, beautiful trees and with the hope that I put enough in the ground that over time, red steer just starts popping up all through the valley. You know? But this is gonna be stuff that happens way after I’m dead. But that process of stripping out the non native stuff, I’m starting to look at that guy. Okay. Well, I’m doing that 44 acres there.
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02:09:12
I got another 200 acres over here. I know there’s waterfalls. I know there’s creeks. I wanna take all of that lantana and stuff out and revive all that sai you can walk through the bush. You know?
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02:09:23
Sai, but these are processes that I hope that, will excite my kids to carry on with. We’ll see.
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02:09:29
Well, that’s exciting. It’s exciting to know that you have this long term thing that you’re doing that’s actually beneficial to the land and brings it back to the way it used to be?
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02:09:38
Yeah. Not not ai in a sort of overbearing way, but, like, just meh that that little 44 acres, hopefully, ai time and we’re already seeing it now. We’re we’re sort of, like because we’re clearing things out. We’re finding lots of little tiny redcedas that are already there. Because Ai put in four fifty to start with, but my aim is to have, you know, within about the next probably two to three years, have 5,000 redcedas in the ground in that area.
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02:10:05
So
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02:10:06
It’s just amazing when you think about the kind of impact that human beings can have on landscape. It’s just humans, what whatever we’ve done, wherever we go, we inevitably alter everything forever. And if you could just take a little bit of it, put it back to the way it was, and then start contributing to these plants regrowing again Mhmm.
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02:10:28
There’s a balance to that. It’s very cool that you can achieve that. It’s also exciting. It’s like to ai, it’s a Yeah. Seems like a cool project.
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02:10:36
It thrills me. Yeah. But for
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02:10:38
a guy that has the kind of pressures that you have and the work that you have to do and the intensity and the long hours on sets, like, having something like that is a godsend. Yeah. Your 32 year old self, whoever it was
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02:10:50
It was crazy. You nailed it. I Ai, you know, I look back and Ai it’s just how did how did I know? Because at 32, you know, I had a little bit of fame in Australia, but it was nothing compared to what I would have to deal with after that. So having that sort of, forethought is is just interesting. Yeah.
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02:11:11
Is there anything that you ever always wanted to do, like a type of film that you’ve always wanted to do that you never got a chance
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02:11:17
to? Well, see, I I’m there are definitely guys in my business that covered. You know? They go, I wanna do this kind of role. I wanna be perceived like that. You know? But for me, that’s not what I pursue. I pursue character. And I only you know, I’m very it’s very practical.
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02:11:37
I I’m I meh to choose from everything. I only get to choose from what’s sent to me. So from what within what is sent to me, I always try to look for fresh ground. You know? People will ask me, why would you play that kind of character? It’s ai, the bottom line is because I didn’t do it before. You know?
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02:11:54
Why you wanna play Hermann Goring?
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02:11:55
Right.
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02:11:56
Because nobody’s offered it to me in the past, and it’s a fascinating character. Yeah. It’s a dangerous character. And there’s, you know, a lot of stuff that goes into being able to play a character like that, but that danger is part of the excitement of the job. Yeah. And it’s not always gonna be that way.
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02:12:15
Sometimes you’re playing a character that doesn’t really require a a lot from you, but you’ve gotta play the weight of the character. You know? You can’t just sort of suddenly make your New York detective act like a superhero because you feel like being a superhero. So
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02:12:32
Right.
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02:12:33
So it’s sort of ai, you know, you you just play the the weight of what’s ai, and then every now and then, you know, you play a character that that sort of has a a a principal sort of role in in the in the the narrative or or is the focus of of the narrative.
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02:12:49
But the decision to take on the weight of playing a character that’s a Nazi, the second in charge Mhmm. That’s what was that? That’s heavy. Right?
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02:12:59
Yeah. Yeah. But that thrill comes from that thing of saying this challenge is so big. I don’t know if I can do this. And then sai part of you goes, I I I should leave that aside. And then the other voice goes, let’s just have a go.
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02:13:19
Yeah. Let’s have a go and see what we can do.
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02:13:21
You know? And, see someone like It’s you know, that that word nuance coming up a lot today because we can look at him in the stark sort of caricature version that a lot of people have in their minds of who he was. But that against the reality of his life and how he grew up, how he was educated, what his experiences were, who he really was, as a man, There’s a lot more to Goering than just looking at this ai, oh, bad meh, Nazi.
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02:13:56
You know? He, one thing I find fascinating, when he was a kid at school, he was, like, one of the dumbest students in his class at a normal school. And because of his sort of continuous failure as a punishment, he got sent to military school. In military school, he was a top student because it was stuff that interested him.
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02:14:21
He comes out of school pretty much on the dawn of the first World War, has his first military experience in the infantry as a young officer, gets wounded, and realizes that standing on the ground on a battlefield is not really the right place for him. What’s interesting him is what keeps going on overhead. So he manufactures a way to get himself assigned to a a fighter squadron.
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02:14:47
He’s supposed to turn back up for duty with his infantry squadron, but sort of, you know, manufactures a way to keep him as associated with the fighter squadron, learns how to become a pilot while he’s doing that. And at a certain point in the war, they’re losing more pilots than they train, so they go, he knows how to fly. He can be a pilot.
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02:15:04
Finishes the first World War with 22 kills, air to air kills. That’s three times sai fighting ace. And he’s also because he recently passed in vatsal, at the end of the first war, he’s in charge of the Baron von Richthofen, the Red Baron’s squadron, which is the pinnacle of the German air force.
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02:15:25
So here he is as a young man. He’s finishing that first war experience. And he is a fair dinkum, which means true. He is an actual war hero. And so through the twenties, he’s on cigarette cards in Germany ai a packet of cigarettes, and there’s a picture of Hermann Goring. You know? Wow.
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02:15:45
So and he goes into that political environment, that post bizarre environment with a a very definite belief in his country as being something special, and he wants to make a contribution to bring lifting his country out of the ai that it’s it’s currently in. So he starts looking for a political connection and ends up going upstairs in a coffeehouse in, Munich, I think it was, and hearing a fellow called Adolf Hitler talk and, you know, realizes that he has a lot in common with this guy ai he sees things and knows that Hitler was a sai soldier.
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02:16:20
You know, it’s a funny thing we put into the movie at one point because there’s a speech about Rami that Rami Malek makes about Hitler being a failed painter and a not very good soldier. And I think the response I gave Goring at the time, which is not in the film, but he talks through Hitler’s actual military record.
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02:16:42
And, yeah, he didn’t he didn’t rise above Lance Corporal, but he turned down promotion three different times. He won an Iron Cross in 1914, and then he won a second one in ai, and doing things that were showing such extreme courage that he was awarded the Iron Cross. And he would he delivered messages on the battlefield.
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02:17:04
He would take the messages from headquarters and take it to the ai troops and then bring their response back, things like that. You know? So, you know, one point in time, I had Goering say, you know, you could call him a failed painter, but maybe he got to a certain point in his life where there were more important things to address than painting.
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02:17:20
Mhmm. So, you know, nuance. You know?
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02:17:24
I thought it was also fascinating that you ai delved into the fact that he was an addict.
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02:17:30
Yeah. We only touch on a little bit. Yeah. But that’s that is crazy. There’s a really good book.
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02:17:36
Ai. Norman Oler.
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02:17:38
Blitzed. Yes. Yeah. Which gave me a a lot of information because Brilliant. When when Gerwin was arrested, he had something like forty thousand pills on him. 40,000. In his car. Right? He had a, a habit of 40 to 50 a day. Right? So you look at him, and you can you can see it.
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02:17:55
When you when you know that fact and you start looking at photographs, you can see him kinda leave the planet at a certain point where he’s just off his tits all the time. You know, from about 42 onwards, he doesn’t really have Adolf’s ear anymore. Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich, they’ve all taken those positions.
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02:18:12
The things that he promised he could do with the Luftwaffe didn’t actually come off, you know, as strongly they didn’t know it at the time, but that’s the Enigma machine, everything, the code’s being broken. So no matter what they did, they’re always being second guessed. So, you know, Hitler’s trust of him was adjusted a a little bit.
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02:18:32
And I also sort of liken it to him knowing he’s gonna get stabbed, so he just doesn’t bother going to the place where he would get stabbed. You know? So he does a whole bunch of other stuff, and he keeps his authority, but he’s not at in the center of things anymore from
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02:18:52
ram point of view. Pills. A big part of it.
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02:18:55
Big part of it. It’s personal safety because he thinks, like, he’s no longer has, the definitive ear and trust of his leader. The pills overtake his lifestyle, and he decides to, you know, interest himself in in other things for the greater good of Germany, like the collection of great works of art and things like that.
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02:19:12
You know? But there’s a a, you know, a lot of things in this story that, that are just bigger once you start looking at it and examining. They’re way bigger than what we know or what we commonly understand. And that’s what I was looking for to try and find a way to, you know, understand his base motivations.
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02:19:36
And at the end of the day, he, you know, in his own way, he’s a pure patriot. Just so happens to be a sort of a a set of beliefs or whatever that most of us in a in a Western world would call a bond.
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02:19:52
Wow. And and you gotta take into consideration the drug aspect of the entire Nazi movement. The all the troops were on meth. Hitler was on opiates. I mean, Norman Tyler, that book just I I can’t recommend it enough. It’s so, eye opening because you’re ai, well, that makes sense.
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02:20:11
That’s why they were so fucking psychotic.
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02:20:14
That’s why they could march through the night. Ai three
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02:20:16
nights in a row. Yeah.
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02:20:17
Through the the Belgian forest.
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02:20:19
But it’s very rarely taught. This is not, like, when we grew up, we didn’t grow up thinking that they were just drugs, psychotic, you know, animals that were on meth Mhmm. You know, in in tanks and the most the the the gave the people the front line the most meth. So they had different dosages for different people depending on what they’re required to do, and the tank guys got
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02:20:40
the most back. About Goring’s position, he’s the one ordering the drugs. Right? How many pilots we got? How many planes? How many missions are we doing? How many sorties? Right? Do that multiplication. Add 10 for me.
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02:20:53
It’s a drug fueled war, like, probably the most drug fueled war ever. I mean, the kamikazes were using meh. And then the the Hitler thing was I always thought that Hitler was meth as well, but Norman was saying that he was opiates as well. Right. So just like Goring. Right. They maybe it was how they dealt with what they were doing. They all just stayed blasted out of their fucking head all day long.
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02:21:20
Well, I mean, look, you’re surrounded by guys that have a sort of a fanatical mindset. You know, you you’re gonna wanna be awake. Yeah.
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02:21:30
You know? You don’t wanna fall asleep at
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02:21:32
the wrong time if that’s the group of people that you surrounded yourself with. And that’s the thing that I keep saying. It’s a it’s an old cliche, but I I think it’s something that, he he really learned. You know, if you lie down with dogs, you’re gonna get fleas, Herman. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
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02:21:48
But I think him cleaning up by being forced by being in a prison environment, being forced by the allies to go cold turkey nearly killed him. He had sort of heart problems because he went from 40 or 50 a day to nothing. So but that clarity of thought that he had, after being clean for, you know, six or nine months when the trial starts, that became dangerous because now he’s sort of got his faculties back, and he’s intent on breaking down this whole idea of international law as as being ridiculous that, you know, he’s a man who served his country.
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02:22:29
He is still in a uniform. He’s still, like, a a a military ai, so he’s, ai, unquote, following orders. Yeah. And, you know, they were a democratic elected government who then step by step dismantled democracy once they were in power.
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02:22:49
And the fascinating thing about this character and the way you play him is in the beginning, he seems like a guy on opiates because he’s, like, so relaxed about everything. Mhmm. You know? It’s ai he doesn’t seem to be carrying the weight of what’s happened to him. Right. And for you to and then there’s dark moments, particularly, like, during the trial where you’re ai, woah.
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02:23:11
There’s a lot of range to this ai, and that’s gotta be a weird place to be to for you to try to put yourself in the mind of what ultimately became one of the most horrific figures in modern history. Yeah.
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02:23:26
It’s not comfortable. It’s not comfortable. But that that pain’s part of the gig. You know? Yeah. It it really is. And there’s you you you sort of learn to accept it. Ai say this to people quite a lot ai I you know, ai question is how do you turn off, you know? When you’ve been a Nazi for a day,
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02:23:45
what do you do to relax? Definitely don’t do method.
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02:23:49
Yeah. But the the you know, you ask anybody and and you would be the same. Just because in a little while the podcast is over for the day doesn’t mean that that’s the end of your job. Doesn’t mean you’re just gonna turn off and never think about it again till ai gonna obviously you know, anybody has a passion for the thing that they do is gonna ai the process.
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02:24:12
05:00 might be when the office closes, but you’re gonna go home. You’re gonna have dinner. You’re gonna think about the deal that you’re currently doing, the presentation that’s ahead of you, or whatever it happens to be. You’re gonna keep processing. And that’s what happens when you you’re playing a character because you might have delivered x amount of dialogue today, but you got x amount tomorrow too, so you gotta keep that process going.
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02:24:29
So So you’re just thinking about a knot All
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the time. Sana the time. All the time. There’s no it’s relentless. One one description of of making a movie is that it’s a train journey. It’s not like a car, you know, where you can pull over and have a a wee on the side of the road. It’s a train journey. And once you get on that train, you’re staying there until it gets to its destination, and you just gotta accept that.
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02:24:53
I mean and that there’s, you know, good and bad and that there’s a, a a saying that goes with this. You know, the the best thing and the worst thing about the job that I do is that one day it’s gonna finish. Always finishes. You can be having the worst time of your life, but it’s gonna finish. But you can be having the greatest ai.
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You have an incredible relationship with the crew and the cast and the director, but it’s gonna finish.
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And you have
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to get used to that. You have to understand that.
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02:25:22
When how much time did you prepare and how much time did you film for? So, like, how much time were you actually in the head of this Nazi?
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Well, I I signed on in 2019.
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So you started thinking about
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ai? Going straight from loudest voice, which finished shooting around April or something like that. And I thought by the end of that year, we’d be doing you know, we would have shot that film.
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So that’s when you started researching it?
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Yeah. And then as it turns out, we it got set up and collapsed three different times. And so I had five years five years of, you know, scratching around, trying to find little bits of information to humanize him in my mind, but also for me to try and understand him and understand the, you know, what he got in.
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02:26:07
Because on it doesn’t make a lot of sense when you read about his history and stuff, where he gets to doesn’t make a lot of sense. He was a mountain climber. Really? Right? When he was a young man, there are traverses in in the Austrian Alps that Hermann Goring was the first person to do that traverse of that peak.
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02:26:28
You think about the mentality required of a mountaineer to stand at the base of a big ass rock and look up and say, I’m gonna keep going tyler I reach that summit. That says a lot about who Hermann Goring really was. And, you know, who’s Bavarian. Right? So from Southern Germany.
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02:26:51
And once I because I didn’t know he was a mountain climber. Once I knew that, then I started looking around for what does that mean to be a mountain climber, you know, prior to the first World War? What kind of equipment would you have? And it’s very basic, man. It’s nothing, you know, you gotta you’re ai on your wits and your strength just completely.
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02:27:12
And Yeah. They didn’t even have nylon ropes.
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Probably not.
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No. No. Not then. Right?
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02:27:17
Ai all stretchy ram. Oh, jeez. That’s gonna be behave completely differently once it gets wet. But it gave me some real insight to him, but and it also ended up giving me this great way of connecting to the other German guys who are playing the other Nazis. You know? Because I just knew from the first day when they all arrived and they were sitting together in a group, I could see that they were already feeling the punishment of playing that kind of character.
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02:27:50
So, I just brought them together, and I asked them because, you know, you know, these guys, some of them are German, some of them are Hungarian. And, I said, look. You know, there’s a song that I found, and I’d like to learn the song together. And they all you know, most of them knew the song. But that’s what we would do every day as a group. We’d get together.
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02:28:10
We’d sing that song, and then we’d walk into court together feeling connected as a unit. You know?
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02:28:14
What kind of song was it?
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It’s called Musi Den.
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Is it a German song?
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It’s a German song, and ai I didn’t realize when I first came across the song. It’s a Bavarian mountain song. Right? Sai he definitely knew that song. It’s actually the melody that Elvis Presley uses for the song Bryden Heart in the movie GI Blues. Yeah. Zoom, stay the late in house. Stay the late in house.
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02:28:44
Yeah. That’s, but I don’t have it with now. That’s what we’re busy singing today.
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02:29:02
Guys would sing this to get into the character.
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And if you Wow. Would be the calm yeah. So that’s just a little thing just to remind that particular group of guys that we’re we’re just actors. We’re just playing roles, and, you know, this will finish.
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02:29:19
There’s a lot of people that don’t want to show a human side of a monster.
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02:29:23
And which I think is very dangerous and quite stupid, you know, because it gives you a complete misunderstanding of what a monster is. You know? That yes. Okay. Here’s somebody with, you know, horrific acts, but as the joke used to be, even Tyler, you know, he used to love dogs.
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02:29:38
Sai that’s the joke. Right?
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02:29:39
You know? And and that but there’s some real truth in understanding the human process in that vatsal somebody who makes the absolute worst decision in the world can still be a loving father. You know? Can still have a group of friends, but on, you know, particular in a particular moment, that is the same person who’s made this horrific decision that will have terrible effect on a a generation of people.
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02:30:12
Yeah. I mean, it’s it’s really the same kind of thing we’re talking about with Tony Soprano. Right. Like, that this this person is a terrible person, but yet loves his kids Right. Loves his friends.
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02:30:23
Yeah. Well, charm is one of the greatest weapons of evil. Yeah. You ai, it’s it’s a really you know, it’s a it’s a fun thing for us. We see somebody, like, who can tell a story, tell a joke, hold attention in a ram. Yeah. You go, it’s cool. But when that process of charm goes to this other place, which becomes about life and death or the taking away of people’s rights, the dehumanizing people as we were discussing earlier.
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02:30:49
You know, sana this you know, I I don’t wanna get into politics because I have this, my my boys have this rule. If you’re going to talk to Joe, you’re not allowed to discuss politics
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because they know once I start.
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02:31:00
Your boys? My my my two sons. Yeah. Because my youngest ai, I think I told you, he he became obsessed with you, and and listening to your stuff for a while, and you became one of his sort of points of education. And, you know, so that’s why I started listening to you because I wanted to know what he was hearing. You know?
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02:31:17
And I go and I I after listening a few times, I was like, you know what, man? It’s cool. You know? Because, again, we’ll use that that word. You do actually have the allowance for nuance, and that’s the greatest thing about this situation.
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02:31:29
When you sit down to talk, we’re gonna be talking for a couple of ai. Yeah. So I don’t have to reduce everything I wanna talk to you about to
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02:31:36
make it pop in three minutes. Right. And worry about things being taken out of context in a sound bite. Right. Yeah. That that that this is the issue with discussing any positive attribute to a Nazi. You know what I mean? Like, you you open up that door. Oh, my God. Russell Crowe is a Nazi sympathizer. But the people that don’t like you are just gonna take that. Yeah.
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02:31:54
And here’s what Joe Rogan is discussing. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:31:57
Yeah. But it’s I think what you’re saying is absolutely true that it is stupid to think that way because it because that’s a human being and a very fucked up evil human being that did horrific things, but know that that is a path that people can go down even if they think they’re doing the right thing.
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02:32:17
So we arya taught, for example, to regard Gaddafi in a certain way.
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02:32:21
Mhmm.
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Okay? But if you look into what happened in his country while he was the leader, you look into the fact that every person is given a house at a certain age. You look at the fact that everybody’s education and health care is free. You look at if somebody showed a particular talent for something that required further education overseas.
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02:32:49
All of the costs of that were paid for by the government. Now these are all things put in place by the same country’s leader that we’re told is evil Mhmm. And corrupt. Yeah. So it doesn’t quite balance.
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02:33:08
Well, there’s also US government interference. That’s a that’s a that is one that we definitely monkeyed with. I mean, he ran a foul of the United States government. You know? I mean
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02:33:22
Well, what he was trying to do as far as I understand the situation is he was trying to unite Africa. Mhmm. And a united Africa is gonna be It’s a problem. Well, either it’s gonna be fantastic.
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02:33:37
Right.
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02:33:38
It’s gonna be amazing.
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A problem for the people that wanna run things.
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02:33:41
Yeah. Yeah. If all of
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a sudden there’s a new supermodel
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02:33:43
whole bunch of countries that that, you know, have a connection with with a certain African nation or whatever. They suck their, you know, minerals out of the ground or whatever. Don’t pay them properly for it. Yep. You know? And and greatly benefit financially.
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02:33:56
And that’s pretty much every European country’s got some kind of African connection in that regard. And Including China? Well, Ai now coming in Yeah. Because it’s able to offer a slightly better deal than they’ve been used to. You know? But people have to understand you the population of Africa is enormous. Yeah. Enormous.
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02:34:20
You’ve got multiple countries with hundreds of millions of people.
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02:34:24
Well, when you see the continent Of Africa and you see all these other countries, how many would fit inside of it,
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you’re like, oh, boy. Yeah.
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Because that’s the weird thing about maps and globes is you get a distortion of the actual true size.
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02:34:36
There is a distortion. Right? Yeah. Whatever that’s called, which shows America at the center and being physically a larger land meh than it actually is in relative terms. Oh, it’s
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02:34:45
a little itty bit. It’s the size of Australia.
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02:34:48
100,000 square miles Continental USA is a 100,000 square miles larger than the island of Australia. That’s not much. Not much.
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02:34:57
That’s not much. Ai
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02:34:58
much, man.
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Especially when you think that you guys have 20, what, twenty ai? Twenty five? And we have probably 325 plus.
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02:35:06
Right. I don’t
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think we know really how many people we have, but we have at least 320,000,000.
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02:35:12
That’s a
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lot of folks.
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A lot of people, man. Yeah. It’s a hell of a lot of people. So we’d
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like to think we’re a lot bigger than we are. And then you look at where we fit in Africa, you’re like, oh. Yeah. It’s like it’s a little tiny little tiny thing.
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02:35:23
Something ai 55 countries or something in Africa?
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02:35:27
I don’t know. It’s probably. Ai. I mean, it’s also Egypt. That’s the other thing. You know, it’s also, like, the most advanced civilization possibly that ever existed before today, and they were there too. It’s ai it’s a wild place. Ai, from top to bottom, it’s a very and it’s the origin possibly of humankind.
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02:35:47
And a lot more desert, I think, than than people realize. You know, you have the Sahara, so we all know that. But then there’s these other gigantic areas like that. But would that be the West Coast? Have you seen those roads in, like, Namibia or whatever where it’s just it’s like a sand dune.
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02:36:06
It’s forty, fifty meters high, drops down to the ocean, and there’s one little flatbed that there’s a road. And that’s passable, you know, at certain times or whatever if the tides are not doing this and that, but that’s the road.
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02:36:20
Jeez.
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It’s like a mountain of sand and an ocean and a one little ribbon.
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02:36:25
Jeez. It’s you know, United States is one of the weird things about us is that we’re we’re a country that thinks mostly of ourselves and hardly ever leaves. You know? Some people leave, but Yeah. I bet there’s a solid percentage of people that never leave The United States and maybe never even leave their city.
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02:36:45
Right.
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And your version of the world, you’re relying on other people to give you the story of what the world is until you go somewhere. Till you go to Ai, till you go somewhere, where you’re like, wow. There’s a totally different way of living out here.
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02:36:59
Yeah. I’ve even had people, you know, come down to help me with movies or whatever, ai, guys that are coming down to train me in some weapon or other or whatever. And they do a lot of traveling, but it’s all within the Continental USA. Yeah. And they come to Australia, and they didn’t realize that other people have opinions.
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02:37:17
You’re not gonna find a heck of a lot of agreement to, you know, some very basic tenets if you sai in an Australian bar. You’ll find a whole bunch of people go, that’s fucking stupid, mate. Yeah. You know? But, like, it’s still to me, it’s the the greatest country in the world is Ai States Of America. Absolutely. Greatest potentials are all here.
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02:37:44
But how it’s founded on balance and fairness and opportunity, that’s how it remains great, not because you start taking opportunity away from people
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02:37:56
Right.
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Because you’re affording them opportunity. And, you know, just just keep that in mind, ladies and gentlemen. Yes. Because it, nothing’s finished. Nothing’s done. We’re just in the process, and it can all get better for sure.
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02:38:11
Yeah. And it’s the rare country that is almost entirely founded by people moving here over time.
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02:38:21
Yeah. It’s all immigration.
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02:38:23
Yeah. Yeah. Which is the strength and also, you know, the the problem with the last four years was that they were just letting anybody in, and they weren’t vetting people, and they were inviting people in. And the problem now is they’re grabbing people that are productive citizens, and they’re grabbing them and taking them out ai they don’t have the right paperwork. Yeah.
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02:38:46
So neither one is a good solution. Mhmm. And both of them cause huge problems. Yeah. And
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02:38:53
one of
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the scary things
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02:38:54
But you do have to be aware too, though, a lot of the information that we know about that is coming to us from a motivation that we don’t necessarily read. Right. They want us to think of things in negative terms.
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02:39:07
Sure. Both sides. On both sides of the issue. Yeah. A 100%. Yeah. We’re we’re constantly being manipulated. I had, representative Luna on the podcast, and one of the things that she said that that that I kind of knew was probably true, but I didn’t wanna believe it. She was ai, there’s a lot of problems they never solve on purpose, so they could campaign against them. Mhmm. That’s why they they keep these things in play.
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02:39:34
That resolutions could have been reached, problems could have been solved. Mhmm. But these politicians are so self serving that they don’t ever want that to take place. These people that run these two individual parties want to keep that that banter back and forth. They sana keep the argument going.
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02:39:49
And you see how absolute they are if, you know, somebody with that color hat is trying to promote something. You know, the person with the other color hat is absolutely ridiculous. Then it changes, an election happens. Now the person with a different colored hat there in charge, and they’re gonna put in place exactly what they said the other person was doing that was wrong Yeah.
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02:40:08
Is now part of their policy platform.
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02:40:11
What is wrong with the way Australia is run?
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02:40:16
Well, we’re a little bit lucky at the moment. We have a prime minister who’s very much motivated by trying to, help everybody, you know, which should be the job of a politician. Right? To improve the lives of the people that they represent. And, he’s kind of inherited, you know, a conga line of stupidity that was going on, you know, and he’s trying to fix things.
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02:40:47
But, of course, just the way things are reported, whatever, you know, there’s there’s haters on every corner. But he’s a good man, and he’s doing his very best, and he’s, you know, working extremely hard. But, you know, like, he arrives off a plane the other day. He’s just come back home from some very successful international meetings where he’s established various trade things and and opportunities and situations for Australia.
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02:41:16
Gets off the plane wearing a Joy Division T shirt. Ai? Big band from his youth, and he’s just a relaxed character. You know? He’s been wearing a suit and tie for weeks on the road. He’s just walking off Australia’s version of Air Force One in a Joy Division T shirt.
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02:41:33
So the member of the opposition wanted to point out, and did so in parliament, that Joy Division is a Nazi term and comes from a section of a particular camp where the women were prostituted, and that’s why it was called the Joy Division. And it’s ai, okay. What’s the point of that? Right? We all know it’s a band name. Right? We know it’s it’s a band name. Right?
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02:41:59
And just because you like The Rolling Stones doesn’t mean that you want rocks to be falling on people. What are you fucking talking about? You know? This whole stupidity. And that’s what you’re facing all the ai.
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02:42:09
Picking up some pointless piece of minutiae and, you know, lighting it on fire and making a smokescreen to cover up the reality of the fact that that prime minister just worked his ass off on behalf of the country and successfully achieved a bunch of things and should be patted on the back, you know, not pushed down the stairs.
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02:42:30
Yeah. Well, we have a lot of that here too. That’s, the But there
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02:42:35
is a timidity a timidity, I think, is probably the thing in terms of how Australia is run. Things like the the gambling ads and stuff like that. Common sense would tell you this is not a good thing to allow. You know? Put the timing of these ads back so kids are asleep or whatever.
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02:42:52
Don’t let them read out the odds on the news that you could fix that pretty quick. But that gambling section of the community is worth a lot of money and people in positions of power because it’s not necessarily you know, it’s it’s not the guy that’s gonna spend his whole wages gambling through an app that that gets to have a say in this.
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02:43:16
You know? It’s the guy whose family money allows him to run a string of 18, you know, racehorses, and he enjoys going to the races on the weekend. And, you know, gambling for him is not such a big deal because he’s got, you know, an income from other things, blah blah blah. You know?
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02:43:31
So it’s the, the wrong perspective on a problem sometimes is the actual problem.
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02:43:39
And the fact that this is a fairly new thing and that young people growing up with this, there’s not a history of people abusing gambling apps. Right? It’s not it’s not something their parents had to deal with.
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02:43:52
It’s Right. Right. But, generationally, it’s not something that I can oh, I you know, from my experience, I can tell you this. So I had to have a you know, when I had that conversation with my boys, it was a broader conversation, about gambling and about, you know, what it takes to earn a dollar.
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02:44:08
Yeah. The I think the accessibility issue is something that people have problem with. The fact that it’s on a phone versus going to a place. Ai, you choose to you’re gonna get your buddies together, you’re gonna go play poker in a casino. That’s a different decision.
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02:44:20
Right. They’re just sitting at home.
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02:44:21
Yeah. You
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know, then just constantly frittering away your money.
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02:44:25
Well, this is the thing. It’s just we’re there’s always some sort of point of attack. There’s always an attack vector for people getting your attention or getting your money and trying to and then we have to decide as a society, like, do we is this good to just allow? Like, we want freedom, but do we sana like, you can’t advertise cigarettes on TV anymore. Mhmm. Right? They decided at one point in ai, this is crazy.
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02:44:51
Cigarettes are bad for you.
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02:44:53
Ai alcohol.
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02:44:53
You still can. Yeah. Yeah. Which is weird.
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02:44:56
Time of day.
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02:44:56
Yeah. It’s weird. Yeah. It’s weird because alcohol probably kills more people than cigarettes.
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02:45:03
That funny thing that we have that was fed to us that, you know, cigarettes are this incredible burden on our health health care system. In reality, if you look at it, it’s a bryden, but, you know, there’s a lot of people dying of lung cancer who never had a cigarette. So we haven’t really solved that. We don’t really know where that’s coming from.
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02:45:24
But in reality, the burden on our health care system is obesity and all the problems that come from obesity. That’s the biggest. Yet we allow food production systems that we know to be extremely unhealthy and very bad. We just allow them to continue on. You know, we’ve got items of, quote, unquote, food that have been tested, and it turns out there’s no actual food in this. It’s just, you know, a manufactured product.
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02:45:51
I think the the famous one here was the the Twinkie thing. Right? When they actually got around to looking at what was in a Twinkie, they realized that every single part of it was completely unhealthy.
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02:46:02
Yeah. It’s just mostly sugar. Ai. Yeah. Yeah. But Twinkies are delicious, and I think you should be able to buy Twinkies. You know what I mean? So I’m I’m on both sides of it. I’m a healthy person. I eat 99% of my food is very healthy. Mhmm. But I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want. It’s just education is the most important thing.
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02:46:20
And then letting people know what they’re and then teaching people some discipline and how to be able to exercise some control over yourself.
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02:46:28
So I was 126 when I finished Nuremberg. Ai a hundred point nine right now.
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02:46:37
That’s amazing. Congratulations.
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02:46:39
Well, a lot of that
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02:46:40
You look great,
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02:46:41
by the way.
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02:46:41
Thank you. Really do.
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02:46:42
A lot of that is because you introduced me to your mate, Brigham.
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02:46:46
From Waste to Well?
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02:46:46
Yeah. Yeah. And so I’ve probably connected with them about five times since that first time we meh. And the real benefit that I’m getting that I think right? Because I’m not not completely over the ai. But it seems to be with these, injections that I’ve been getting into my shoulders, into my knees, but also IVs, that it’s calmed down my body’s inflammation.
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02:47:17
Mhmm.
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02:47:18
You know, I think we talked before about just how many old injuries I carry, you know, and how, like, injuries in my shoulders have a deeply arthritic. But we can now see in an ultrasound over time how what was messy a year ago and, like, big thick bands of of arthritis Now it’s just lessened, you know, probably by about 70%.
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02:47:40
Mhmm. On
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02:47:41
one area in my right shoulder, probably about 90%. So my range of motion, if we’d done this last year, would have been about there. Right? But now it’s fucking rock and roll, son.
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02:47:53
You know? Isn’t that great?
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02:47:54
It’s all going good. You know? And and, like, just feeling, like, the musculature starting to build and everything. I’m taking it really saloni. And that was one of the things I was worried about with Highlander because jumping into that role with the shooting date coming, it was like, man, I’ve gotta do I gotta do three workouts a day.
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02:48:12
I gotta you know? And that, for me, is a bad recipe because, yeah, I can I can do that for x amount of time, but once I stop, I’m gonna stop completely? You know? And what I wanna do is I wanna make all these changes and make it a long term situation. So I think the ways to work was a great call for me because it’s calmed down a bunch of stuff.
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02:48:39
It’s taken a bunch of pain away, you know, so I can go and work out and not have to suffer for two or three hours afterwards. You know? You know, I’m still picking up injuries because Ai gotta face the fact I’m 61. You know, ai, the other day, I’m doing my katana sword ai to get this freaking move going. I freaking tore the tendon here on the ulna.
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02:48:57
So that’s gonna be bad for sword ai. But I’m trying to fix that without having to have a a surgical.
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02:49:04
How bad is it, Dorn? It’s
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02:49:05
only a little bit, really. You know? Okay.
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02:49:07
You just gotta make sure you don’t overuse it ai it’s healing. Can you brace it?
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02:49:11
The the the problem I’ve got is I’ve got x amount of time to claim the skill. And either way, right, if I do the rehab exercises without doing surgery, if it fails, I’m now falling right on production and, you know, I’ve retorn or something. Right?
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But I can help you with that. Just do the skill slowly.
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Yeah.
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Here’s the thing about skills. Skills that you learn slowly, you can translate into high speed quickly because you develop a neural pathway. So instead of using an actual sword, use a foam sword. Use, ai, one of those little fucking noodle things that people put in the pool. Use that.
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So you just just develop them. When I was teaching martial arts, one of the things that I always tell people is don’t try to do it quickly. When I show you something, I want you to do it slowly.
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It’s exactly what I did. Yeah. I’m in a car park, and we were talking about the speed of something. And I went, oh, yes. It gets and I went, oh, fuck. And you are taught but I just put my sword away, and I kept the conversation going. Didn’t mention it, but I got home, and
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I was like, oh, fuck. You rushed. You didn’t warm up.
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Yeah. Well, the thing is we were warm, but it was a thing that I just just in that split second, I thought, I wonder what it’s like to go full speed. Oh. And I did it. And I and I just ai, no. Way too early. But you’re absolutely right. Pace is deceptive. Yeah.
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02:50:35
If you learn something I mean, that’s like that old fashioned sort of stuff with with with the karate I first did when I was a kid. You know, they aim for you to do 10,000 of something before you have to use it in an actual competitive fight, you know.
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02:50:50
Yeah. People who train people with guns have a saying, slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You sana herky jerky movements, and with martial arts and specifically sword fighting, it’s there’s very specific movements that you’re learning. And if you learn those movements slow, as you speed up, you’ll be going along the right pathway.
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Mhmm.
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And when I would teach people kicks in particular because it’s a weird thing to learn how to kick something. Mhmm. Like, you’ve got to do it saloni. Because if you try to muscle it, you’re gonna develop a bad habit that’s gonna keep you from achieving full power because you want a proper technique.
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Yeah. And you have to process where your balance is. Yeah. You know, what you’re
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Mhmm.
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How you’re pushing your force sana about how you’re retained
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02:51:34
Yeah.
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You know, the ability to reset. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:51:37
Jiu jitsu as well. You you people that learn by drilling, they get way better way quicker ai doing it flowing and doing it more easy and play ai, the Gracies always say, keep it playful.
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Yeah. Like, that’s Well, see the thing is Ai know all this stuff, but I was in such a point of weariness that I was just trying to please people. And and so I mucked myself up. And, you know, but I got a bit of time now for it to heal and for me to start and actually do like I like to do.
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Have you visited Brigham while you’re here? Yeah. Yeah.
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I just sai him.
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Okay. Great. Yeah.
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He’s looking great. Yeah. He looks great. Right?
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He’s looking good. He’ll hook you up.
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New the new place. And now here’s the thing. We talk about this, and your listeners are probably you know, it’s expensive. No two ways about it. So it’s possibly not at everybody’s grasp what the sort of things that I’m doing. But I think I’m not sure if this is absolutely ai, but I think, you know, one of his sort of fervent ambitions, Brigham, is to make it more available.
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02:52:39
Yes. You
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know? Because this should be this is cutting edge medicine. Yes. You know, if we can sort of write things in our bodies with an injection as opposed to an operation you know, the the problem I had in my left shoulder, I go and see my shoulder surgeon who fixed it while I was doing Cinderella Meh.
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02:52:53
And, so I did two operations with this guy, one in 2001 and the second one in 2004. But it’s always had a sort of problem, and and he did say at the time after the second operation that he had to cut a few corners and it would probably cause me problems later on in life. So I probably went to see him about five or six years ago, and he said, okay. So your this shoulder is at a point of arthritis now.
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02:53:23
What we have to do is we have to cut through the muscle bar. We have to pop out the humeral head of your, armbar. We have to shave off the top of the humeral head, then we have to put a carbon fiber cap, and then we have to put it back in, sew everything back up. You get about twelve months of rehab. Right? Just sounds wrong. You know? It just sounds wrong.
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02:53:43
It’s ai, you know, so this process that I’ve been going through with Brig and Moody is basically having the effect of layering. So I can now see that if the arthritis was that deep, it’s now this deep.
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02:53:59
Mhmm. You know,
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it’s still there. I haven’t solved it yet, but I’m giving my body what it needs to make it better.
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02:54:07
Also, there’s new breakthroughs almost every week. Right. And these new breakthroughs, they’re they’re able to achieve, the the they’re they’re growing actual cartilage on people that were bone on bone.
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Right.
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So they’re they’re developing new methods to regenerate tissue. That’s the cushioning in between your your knees and your elbows, and all these things that were and shoulders that were requiring people to get those horrific things. Right? Putting an artificial joint in place because everything is so arthritic.
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02:54:38
That’s one of the things that does trouble me greatly in for this country. Health. Meh systems to benefit everybody. Something has perverted here Mhmm. Where, you know, the drug that I might need that I can buy for $50 for a month supply in Australia is 2 and a half thousand dollars for a month here.
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02:55:08
Yeah. Come on, man.
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02:55:09
I know.
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What’s going on? It’s crazy. You know? And where’s see, you got all these elected representatives here, and this country’s got, you know, a lot. You know? That’s what you should be working on, man.
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02:55:21
Yeah. But they can’t.
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Because everybody’s got their Everybody’s got their
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02:55:25
hands tied. Yeah. They’re all got including the media. That’s the crazy thing. It’s the amount of money they spend on advertising for the media that really just serves the purpose of now the media can’t criticize the pharmaceutical drug companies.
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02:55:38
Right. Yeah. Sai interesting because, you know, I get back here as, you know, you know, my girlfriend’s from New Orleans. And, you know, we’re sitting and watching TV here, and she’s now seeing America from the outside because she spends most of the time traveling with me, and we don’t spend that much time in within America.
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02:55:56
You know, we live in Australia, but we’ve been been working mainly in in Europe the last few years. So she’s now coming back to her country, but she’s got fresh eyes. And she’s sitting there the other night. She was watching something. She came out.
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She said, I’ve just watched, like, 12 ads for drugs. And I just one after the other after the other ai the other. You know? What what’s this tiny little problem that you might have or you if I can say it in a certain way to make you think that you’ve got it, bang, I got a drug for it.
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02:56:22
Bang. Bang. You know? And yeah. I mean, 600,000 plus people in this country in the next twelve months will go bankrupt because of their medical bills.
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You know how many people will go bankrupt in Australia because of their medical bills in the next twelve months? Zero. Zero.
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02:56:40
Yeah. Yeah. It’s one of the biggest problems we have, you know. And the idea that you would let that happen and not do anything about it because you’re bought and paid for by these enormous companies is kind of insane.
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Yeah.
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It’s insane. And they’re trying they’re trying to do something about that, you know, and RFK Junior’s fighting an uphill vatsal, trying to, do something about that, but it’s a captured industry. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, ai events and
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02:57:14
arya Western economy is punishing its citizens in that way. Yeah. This beggars belief. That’s crazy that health care isn’t sai principle thing. Because if if if we’re not looking after ourselves and aiming for the longest life, what’s the point of the human existence kind of thing? You know what I mean?
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So that should be a principle. Yeah. Everybody’s health should be a principle focus of our elected representative.
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Well said. Russell Crowe, you’re the fucking man. Thank you for being here.
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02:57:46
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph. It’s sana
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great to talk to you. Continued success and enjoy your vacation.
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Cheers, mate.
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Alright, brother. Ai, everybody. And see Nuremberg. It’s amazing. And all the other films. Let me come out. Bye, brother ai.