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Katee Sackhoff is an actor known for such roles as Kara “Starbuck” Thrace on “Battlestar Galactica,” Bo-Katan Kryze on “The Mandalorian,” and Vic Moretti on “Longmire.” In addition to her work on-screen, she hosts “The Sackhoff Show” podcast.www.kateesackhoff.comwww.youtube.com/@KateeSackhoffOfficialhttps://kidsvcancer.org/
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast ai night, all day. Especially in Hollywood. Right? You always have a little bounce. There’s guys standing there with the the big
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You always need someone, like, wandering around in front of you, especially when you get to a certain age. You’re ai, can we just put Vaseline on the camera? Oh.
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Is there a filter?
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Yeah. My wife actually likes it when her lens on her camera phone is, like, blurry.
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A little dirty.
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She’s ai, gives you, like, a little filter.
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Yeah. I’m sure they offer that filter. Slightly dirty lens.
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Yeah. Smudgy lens. Yeah. So, really nice to meet you.
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That’s nice to meet you.
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You were a part of, I think, the most underappreciated sci fi show ever.
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I think at the time. Absolutely.
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Yeah. Even now, I don’t think people talk about it enough. It was a fucking great show. Yeah. And I was so skeptical about Battlestar Galactica because when I was a kid, I watched the original series. And then there was a new one coming out and I was like, oh, come on. And then somebody told me, I forgot one of my friends, one of my comedian friends, like, dude, you gotta watch the show. It’s fucking great.
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Like, it’s not what you expect. Like, you’d think it’d be, like, the old Battlestar Galactica, which is kinda sort of corny a little bit, but it was a really fucking good show.
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When did you watch it? When it was on or after?
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No. When it was on.
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Okay. So originally. Yeah. Yeah. It was, god. Like, when I first got the script, it was, like, 02/2001, and I was 21 year old kid. And at that point, Ai been playing, like, stereotypical blonde roles. You know, I was in a movie where you were ai, please die. You know, like, I was that girl. You know? And so I knew that if I could could change my career, I needed to change it.
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And I saw this script.
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That’s hilarious that you’re thinking I need to change my career
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at 21. 21.
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That’s how crazy the hourglass is in Hollywood.
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I was like, this is I got I got seven years left. Right. This is so crazy. That’s such
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a fucking sketchy job.
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No. And so I was like, what am I gonna do? Right? And I saw this script, and Ron Moore had put a, a, like, a an entry page on the front of the the miniseries. It was like a bible that he called it. And it was him saying what he wanted to create and what he wanted it to look like and what his intention was behind the show.
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And that one page was so moving that it could have been I don’t it didn’t even matter what it was on the inside. I was like, if this guy is in charge, it’s gonna be amazing. And as soon as I got introduced to Starbuck, like, reading that script, I was like, this is it. Like, this is this is the character that if I can book this character, like, it will change the way that people see me in this business.
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And granted, I was 21. People were not talking about me. Ai like you know, I’d been working for five years at that point and pretty steadily. Like, I had a a good career going, but, like, I was not someone that, like, people called home about yet. I was I was on the list, you know, but that show changed everything.
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Well, it was also a risky thing because you were playing a role that was played by a man. Mhmm. So that was a little thing where there’s, like, a little bit of, oh, there’s a girl playing Starbuck now.
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Yeah. I know. It was really strange. So I, I was, like, almost had booked the part or was maybe Ai booked the part. I don’t quite remember. And I called my dad who’s a huge science fiction fan and raised me on, like, sci fi. And I was like, I’m I booked this job. And he was like, that’s amazing. What is it? And I sai, Battlestar Galactica. And he went, oh my god. That’s great.
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I watched it when I was, you know, younger. And he was like, who are you playing? And I said, Starbuck. And he was like, oh, fuck. You need to go watch this. And I was like, okay. Alright.
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So I, like, trumps on down to, you know, Blockbuster Video, and I rent the VHS, maybe, the DVDs. I don’t remember what it was. And I’m sitting on the couch with a girlfriend, and we, like, opened a bottle of ai. And we’re, like, watching this to, like, be like, okay. What’s my dad talking about? And at some point, she looked at meh, and they were, like, talking about Starbucks. And I was like, that’s so weird.
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We must have missed her.
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Where is she? Funny.
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And we rewound it a little bit, and I was like, oh, crap.
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It’s a girl.
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And then I turned it off, and I never watched it again. Because I knew that in that moment, it wasn’t the same character.
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It’s not the same show.
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It’s not the same show.
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It’s kinda crazy that they did that because they made a way better show about a show that was just kinda nostalgic.
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It was. I mean, it really only existed existed for a a year, I think. And then they had, like, a movie or two afterwards. But it was a very short lived shah, and I find I always find it absolutely amazing. Ron Moore is a genius, by the way. Way. Like, he’s absolutely his to be a fly on the wall of that brain would probably just explode in my head.
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But he, the fact that he saw what he saw and led the charge on that show and brought the people on board that he did that had the same vision, if not, you know, hire people that are better than you. You know? And and so he hired people that added to the vision that he wanted to create.
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And he, man, the fact that he saw that from the original was pretty amazing.
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Yeah. Kinda crazy because the original show is basically a rip off of Star Wars.
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It was.
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They were just trying to make a Star Wars TV show.
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I think so. I mean, I I think that, you know, Starbuck was Han Solo.
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Right.
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Right?
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Right. And the Cylons were kinda like stormtroopers. They were. Robot stormtroopers.
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It was pretty yeah. Exactly. Ai don’t know who Daggett the dog was.
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No. I don’t
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know what that
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I mean, what they did was, you know, they they took, like, a they said, like, I see what you’re trying to do, but I this could be a real show.
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Yeah. I mean and it came out in a time where science fiction was allowed to be incredibly topical, and it was always dismissed as, oh, that’s just science fiction. It’s not real.
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Right.
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So Battlestar was allowed to talk about controversial things that were happening currently in the environment and in our country and abroad, and and it was allowed to do so because everybody just dismissed it as sci fi. And so it’s incredibly moving, the shah, and people identify with it.
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The thing that I hear the most about the show I mean, maybe not the most, but one of the things is when I go to sci fi conventions, someone will inevitably come up with a DVD box that is just beat to shit. It’s dirty. It’s ai they don’t even know if the DVDs play anymore. And they’re like, you know, this came with me when I was, you know, stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq or and it passed through the entire barracks, and it got us through.
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Thank you. And that to me is really amazing that a fictional show about people searching for Earth can be so, important and relevant to people that are, in the military, which is it says something for the writing.
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Well, people need an escape, and that’s one of the things, like, entertainment is dismissed, especially, like, fantasy entertainment, like sci fi. It’s dismissed as being nonsense, but escape is not nonsense. It’s actually like brain medicine.
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Mhmm.
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Like, you need it. Mhmm. You need a little escape.
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Of course, you do.
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And especially if, like, it’s escape that’s also inspirational and interesting and fascinating. It occupies your mind and it frees you up. If you’re in the middle of a fucking war zone and you can take some entertainment value out of a television show that’s about robots that are trying to kill everybody
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Yeah.
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It’s, like, very valuable.
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Some of the hardest moments in my life, current and in the past, ai have been have been able I’ve been able to get through them because of television and film. Not because, like, I’m in it. Yes. The fantasy of going to work and being somebody else absolutely takes you out of your own skin for a second.
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But, like, you know, going through the health struggles with her daughter, watching TV with her completely transports you to a different place.
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Right.
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You know, I mean, we can all do that. We can all relate to that. So Ai.
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I mean, you can get too much of it in your life where you’re just wasting your life away, but as a supplement
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Oh, yeah. Of course.
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I think that entertainment is very important. It is. And it’s also that Ai think we get something very value about of out out of viewing other people’s creations. I think there’s something to that when a group of people put together something really cool and and then when it’s over, you’re ai, wow, that was fucking awesome.
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Art is really important.
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Yeah.
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I think that that, you know, creating just art in any any medium is really important because it it transports people. It makes them feel something, whether it makes you feel whatever it makes you feel. Yeah. It’s incredibly important. One of the one of my favorite things is to go to a concert and experience live music with a crowd. It is absolutely amazing.
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Yeah.
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It’s amazing.
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Yeah. It’s a different thing. Right? Because you’re there’s some sort of a mind meld with the the entire audience Yeah. Where you feel this energy of everybody enjoying the same thing together. It’s like a shared happiness.
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It’s the same with a comedy show.
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I mean,
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it’s that it’s when an audience is with you, when you’re I mean, it’s gotta feel like the same thing. You can tell instantaneously if the audience is gonna be good if you’ve won them over, I would imagine.
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Yeah. There’s that. But there’s, you know, there’s also just the thing of there’s a thing of you’re ai when you’re a comedian, you’re kind of almost like a passenger at a certain point.
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Mhmm.
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And you’re really just you’re just you know what to do and you sort of ai leave yourself out the door and just go into it and then perform it, and then it becomes ai, and then you’re riding it, and then the audience rides it with you. That’s when it’s sai, like, at the best. But it’s like a it’s a mass hypnosis is what it is. It’s like everybody is on the same mind page.
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And that’s the same with a great concert. And when a great song comes on and your body literally changes, like, fuck yeah. Like, there’s a feeling, like a drug that comes over you because you hear a great song.
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I’m literally laughing because, like, I don’t I don’t know if you you’ve got your kids are, like, in the right age of this. But, like so k pop demon hunter is, like, taking over the world right now on Netflix. Our daughter is four, and we were, like, a little reluctant. But I was like, everyone’s talking about this thing. And, like, she’d already heard some of the music, so I was like, let’s try it out.
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And there were a couple moments that were, like, a bit we were my husband was a bit uncomfortable with some of, like, the sexualization, aspects of it. Just the girls wearing more adult clothes. She’s three and
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a half. Is this an anime show?
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It’s anime.
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K pop K pop. Korea. Even hot.
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There it
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is. Hot anime ladies.
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It is. The music from this thing is absolutely phenomenal.
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What’s going on with their bodies?
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The message well, the animation is really interesting, actually. It’s really interesting. But it’s, the message behind it, fighting your own demons, believing in yourself, owning who you are, not hiding an aspect of yourself that you’re ashamed of, but but making it part of who you are and being proud of it.
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It’s ai a very good message, like, even for, like, a four year old. But the music is taking over the world, and we didn’t realize how crazy this was. And the final sai where I was like, final, let her watch the damn thing. She was at music class, and one kid started singing this song from k pop demon hunter.
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And within, I shit you not, ai, twenty seconds, every single kid was singing these songs. And these are not easy songs to sing. They’re half arya and b, ai, half ram. Like, I mean, these are hard songs, and these five, six year olds have this thing memorized. And I was like, oh my god. And so we sit down and we watch it. Phenomenal. We’ve seen it three times. It’s ai good.
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I was listening to the soundtrack on the way here. I was like, this shit’s like, this is amazing. And then I’m googling, are is k pop demon hunter going on concert tour? Like, are they gonna go? Because I really wanna see the show.
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How could they go on tour? Are they real people?
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And they arya, and they’re real musicians.
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Wait a minute. So there’s real musicians that are at the heart of this? The stars of k pop demon hunter will make their first ever live concert appearance.
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Stop it.
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Well, wait a minute. How is that possible? They’re they’re not human.
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So it was it was actually they all are. So the music is created. There is video out there of the girls singing the songs, the song Golden, the three of them.
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What do they look like? Do they look like
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Taylor Swift? They look a little like their characters.
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Because those ladies all have Taylor Swift bodies. These long long No.
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I honestly haven’t paid attention to their bodies, to be honest, because they’re such, like, phenomenal, like, singers. They’re so stylized. Like, one of them has, like, like, diamond like, the diamond studs on her teeth. Like, when she was singing, and our daughter was like, what is this?
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I was like, you’re too young.
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You can’t have diamonds on your baby teeth.
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I mean, I guess if you’re gonna get diamonds on your teeth, put them in the baby teeth. Right?
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Right. But I
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was like, no. We’re not very but she I love the message behind it, but the music is infectious. It’s really phenomenal, and I wanna go to one of these concerts.
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That’s hilarious. What are they So
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now I guess I’m going to Jingle Bell.
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The actual because that that’s ai if you’ve have these anime characters that represent the music, and then all of a sudden you see a human doing it. You’re ai, Yeah. Probably it’s to be better if AI made the music.
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Stop it. It will never be better if AI makes the music. You’re you just broke my soul, Joan.
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AI is making some really good music.
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It’s also making some great podcasts.
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It’s very uncomfortable. I So Well, I don’t know about that.
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I’ve heard that it’s coming out with podcasts.
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Oh, they’re the ladies. Yeah. Quite lovely. Do they look like the characters a little bit? Wow. Look at ladies’ crazy hair. So, they’re gonna go on tour. Are they gonna have I wonder if they’re gonna have the show playing in the background.
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So and the lead girl that plays Rumi wrote a lot of the songs
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Ah.
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As well. Like, they’re just phenomenally talented.
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It’s interesting, like, Korea has, like, their own style of pop music. Ai, K pop.
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Influenced by The US, I think, too and For sure. Rap music and R and B music in in The US, I think.
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Yeah. Mhmm. So when you decided to take the role of of Starbuck, was there any, like, was there any, like, actual backlash where people are like, this should be a guy.
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Yeah. There was. There was? The first time we went to Comic Con in San Diego
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Oh, those nerds.
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They had us in Hall H, and, I was booed.
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Shut up.
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I was booed. It was pretty
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No way.
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Yeah. So I and I had learned because everyone the Internet did not exist yet, mind you. It was, like, brand new.
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Right.
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You had to go down to the Internet cafe ai thirty minutes. How crazy is that to say? Yeah. Right?
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But the Internet is a mix test.
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No. 02/2003, we were shooting.
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That’s crazy.
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That was
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barely an Internet by
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Barely an Internet. So, I went down to an Internet cafe because someone was like, they’re I guess they’re talking about the show in these message boards. And I was like, what’s the Internet? So I went on down. I logged on, and I saw this thread. And just the hate that I was getting in this thread, I was like, oh, don’t Google yourself. Google, I don’t even think was a thing.
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I was like, don’t search yourself
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Don’t Netflix navigate her yourself.
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Ever. And and then, you know, we went to Comic Con and I was bryden, and I think it upset me a little bit. I think it did. I mean, I would I would be I I would be lying if I said it didn’t upset me. But luckily, there were enough people that were championing the show, that I really didn’t pay any mind of it.
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And and I was also in that age where it was the perfect age. I mean, I think now it would probably break me. But at 23, I was like it was like the blissful ignorance of youth. You know? Like, I didn’t think the show would last anyway.
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So it was ai, you know, whatever. Like, not a big deal. Just a blip on the radar. Like, I’m in Hall H. You know? Right.
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And then I think that it slowly started winning people over. And then I would go to cons after vatsal, and the line would be longer, and the people would be more supportive, and people would say, I didn’t wanna like it, and I love it. And,
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I almost feel like the show was burdened by the original show. That sounds crazy. But I think, initially, it was burdened by the expectations of the the original show.
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Well, I think everything is burdened by expectation. Right? Sai mean, I think that that’s absolutely true. And so it’s it’s, I’m sure it was. I I there are still people that say that they can’t do it, that they were such a fan of the original. And and my response to them is always ai, do you love sci fi? Do you love good sci fi? And they say meh.
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And I’m like, then separate it, have zero expectation, and just give it give it three hours of your time. If you don’t get through the miniseries and love it, so what? You lost three hours. Okay. But I don’t think that’ll happen.
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No. If you’re a fan of sci fi, it’s one of the best ever.
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Yeah. So I’ve actually I’ve actually never seen it.
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You just did it. You never saw it?
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I’ve never seen it. So we have, DVDs that you could watch that were uncut and sort of, you know or I guess they were cut, but they didn’t have any of the special effects, none of the sound effects, anything like that. It hadn’t been color corrected. And I would watch them just to sort of, like, keep track of where Starbuck was because in film, you, a lot of times, shoot out of order.
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Right.
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So I just wanted to know, okay. So in her story, she was here, but I didn’t watch anybody else’s stuff. I would just fast forward through it. And so I actually my husband and I, I was like, we should do a vatsal star rewatch because people keep I’ve heard it’s good. And my husband had never seen it, so we’re gonna we’re we’re gonna do that, like, in January. That’s the plan.
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It’s kinda funny that he’s never seen, like, your biggest role.
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Well, so my husband’s ten years younger than I am. Nice. Thanks. So so he was, like, 10.
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Oh, that’s hilarious.
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And he also You’re a
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little cradle robber. Thank you.
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Right? For
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a woman, that’s a big compliment.
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It is. My husband’s a piece of ass. He really is. And I say that so respectfully. My husband is like he’s a catch. He he is the catch in the relationship for sure. But he was, like, 11 when the show came out.
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Gotcha. Sai funny.
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And he grew up in a small town in the interior of, like, British Columbia. So, like, I don’t even know if they’d had the television the channel. So
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Yeah. It was on Ai. Right?
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Yeah.
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And the thing is, Syfy at the time was nothing. Like, nobody paid attention to it. Battlestar Galactica was the reason why Syfy got put on the map.
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I think so. I think, like, maybe they had didn’t they have Stargate?
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Oh, I don’t know. It didn’t matter. I think
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they might have had, like, one
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or two other shows. Some stuff, but no. It cared about it. There was no good shows. No disrespect.
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No. They were definitely I think it was it was definitely the show that put it on, like, the I mean, my god. I I you know, so many people tell me that Battlestar Galactica sort of, like, blew the ceiling off of what sci fi could be Yeah. And really opened a lot of doors.
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Well, it made it very different, and then it did it sort of like The Sopranos or ai these episodics where you have a show where you’re following a long story line. So it’s like a long movie as opposed to the original Battlestar Galactica, which is like every other television show back then.
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You know, just it was just ai, like, empty.
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Well, it was also, like
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Junk food.
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The eighties. Right? Or no. It wasn’t even the eighties. It was ’79.
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Seventies. Yeah. Because it was because I wasn’t born. Literally ai after right after Star Wars. Yeah. Like Sai Wars have become popular and, like, how do we capitalize on Star Wars? We’ll we’ll have our own space battle Yeah. Thing. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was sort of the thing back then. Right?
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Right. It’s that command. Yeah. It was cool.
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It was cool.
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I loved it when I was a little kid. But, you know What
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did you love about it?
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Oh, just I loved anything sci ai. So it was, like, it was just fun. And it was also, like, perfect for the sensibilities of the seventies and the eighties. It was just simple. You know, it was ai there’s a the the cocky guy, Starbuck, and, you know, the other sensible ai, and, you know, the good cop bad cop thing.
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It was a lot of fun.
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Did you identify with the kid in it? No. Not at all? No.
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I just liked it. You know, I just liked the show. But I I really remember being very reluctant to watch the remake. I was just like, to get the fuck out of here. They’re not redoing Battlestar Galactica. But so many people were saying, no, dude. It’s so different. It’s a really good show. And Yeah.
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And it it’s also today in this current climate of and then we are literally about to see AI become a a life force. And I know. It’s kind of I mean, it’s very relevant today. You go back and watch it today, like, how deceptive it would be if you had a robot that was very lifelike and knew exactly what you wanted to hear.
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And, like, the blonde lady, the the blonde robot did the
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evil Number six. Whew.
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Yeah. She was good.
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So we got so much shit in the beginning of that. I remember the controversy because she snapped a baby’s neck in that opening sequence.
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Yeah.
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That’s the which was people, like, were like, you can’t show that on TV. And Right. It was I I remember people just having such a terrible problem with that. It was awful. And but if you looked at it from her perspective, she was actually she was actually saving it in a way of going through what it was about to go through because they destroyed Earth.
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So she in her Cylon mind was showing compassion. Duh. Yeah.
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Crazy. Yeah.
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Crazy.
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We’re gonna have things like that.
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And I
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don’t know how much time it’s gonna take before they exist and walk amongst us, but it’s gonna happen.
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It really it really scares me. I mean, it’s it’s, you know, we in my industry is is really going to change. I think so many industries are gonna change. I think that’s just a blanket, like, across the board.
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Yeah.
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Well,
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that’s why you hate AI music. Because AI acting is right there.
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Stop. You’re giving me a heart attack. That’s why I’m trying to diversify, Joe.
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That’s a good move. Diversification is
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always good.
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Especially in this day and age.
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Okay. It’s not too late to go back and be a dentist.
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Sai mean, you’ve seen some of the Sora videos. Right? Where they recreate old shah Star Wars scenes that never existed.
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So but here’s the thing that’s crazy to me. Like, do you not think that that is in some way stealing? Because the art let’s call it the art. The art existed. Mhmm. The artist existed. And so AI is learning from other people’s art, which it has to. That’s obviously what it’s doing.
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So it then creates this new thing
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Mhmm.
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Based on stealing from other people.
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Right. But do you hear what you’re saying though? Do you hear what you’re saying? Because what you’re saying actually accurately describes the second version of Battlestar Galactica.
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Oh, I’m sure.
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Yes. And that’s also stealing.
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This too has happened before.
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You mean it is Battlestar Galactica. It’s ai there was an original and then they stole the original and did it better.
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I meh, but did this
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They didn’t do it with
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a steal it?
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Well, it existed. It exists. They copied it. Yes. But it was all the characters or some of the characters.
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Yeah. They licensed it.
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That’s true. They gave him some money. They did. Good job. Mhmm. But also, creatively, it that’s where it came from. But also all music, essentially, except for the rare, you know,
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brand new Everything is inspired by something else.
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Absolutely. The rare Jimi Hendrix guys that are, like
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Oh, yeah.
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Doing something completely different. Mhmm. Most stuff is a redo of other stuff that was before with, like, another twist to
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it. Agreed.
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And AI is taking that to a completely different level. Ai out of the same way. I look at Napster. Remember when Napster came out?
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I vaguely remember Napster. Yeah. Okay.
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I’m a little older than you. And when Napster came out, it was ai, oh meh god, they’re stealing music. Anyone can just download and steal music. And I remember when Lars Ulrich from Metallica Mhmm. Was ai really public about it. And I was like, damn, I wish I was friends with that dude.
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I ai him to shut the fuck up. Ai, this is inevitable. You’re gonna get people to hate you. They’re mad. You’re gonna be mad at your fans.
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The people that are downloading this are your fans. They’re still gonna come see you live. This is just a new thing. You’re gonna have to deal with this new thing.
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You are gonna have to deal with it. We all are. And I think that that’s one of the things that I was just talking with a friend of mine about yesterday that the the money for artists is going to be in live shows because you can’t the one thing that AI can’t touch is that the tangible
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Right.
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Thing, that tactile thing.
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Sure.
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We need that. We need the
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The feeling that you were talking about when you go to a concert.
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Yes.
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Or a live comedy show or a theater.
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Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. Absolutely. So that still exists, and and we’re going to have to figure out how to use AI as a tool, and, you know, continue to put out great content, hopefully.
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That that’s hopefully. But the the reality is it’s going to be whatever it wants to be. And our ai of how to contain it are hilarious.
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Well, yeah. I think that cat’s out of the bag at this point. Right? Because I don’t I I think that isn’t it its its own sort of self contained system at this point? Like, aren’t isn’t AI actually putting safeguards in to protect itself from being shah down, or ram I just making that shit ai watching too many sci fi movies?
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More than that. It’s actually actively trying to download vatsal. When it finds out there’s a new version of itself coming Mhmm. It’s trying to download itself to other servers. Save itself. Also ai notes to itself for the future. So future versions
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like Memento.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just like Memento. Writing notes to itself sai the future version of it can find out, like, what happened? How did I get here? Oh, there was another version of me. I know. You know, and try to find the other version of integrating it into the new version sai it’s alive still.
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I know. Somebody did ask me the other day. They were ai, what advice would you give to young actors? And I was like, don’t. Like Going to theater?
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Yeah. Theater still is going there’s always gonna be a need for handmade goods. You know, if you buy a pair of handmade shoes or, you know, things that a person a a cabinet that someone made. Yeah. There’s it’s always gonna be, like, like because there’s something tactile and
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Because people will always appreciate that. There will always be an appreciation for that sort of stuff. But but we were just talking about this the other day that, like, every single science fiction movie that talked about AI never ended well. No. There’s never been one where we walked away and went, oh, well, that was a fun ending. We should we should create AI.
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Well, every different story was an uncontacted tribe and then the loggers show up, that never ends well either. No. It’s the same I mean, it’s Avatar.
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It’s for Ferngali. Ferngali came before Avatar.
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I mean, that’s the the that’s what happens. You know, the superior civilization comes in and conquers the primitive one. And we are the primitive ones. And we’re we’re so dumb, we’re making the superior civilization.
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We arya. But isn’t that what happened in Malastar?
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Exactly. Exactly. That’s why it’s so interesting because even though it was did it come out in 02/2004? What year did it come out in?
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Either ‘3 or ‘4.
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So Yeah. That back then, nobody really thought that was an issue. If that came out today, everybody be like, woah. This is a little close to home.
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Yeah. I mean, that’s that’s why it’s so topical. But no. If it I mean, it came out then, like I said, the Internet barely existed.
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Right.
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You know, my dad thought there’d be flying cars by now.
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Yeah. I did too.
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You know? I mean, we’re not quite there yet. Ai thought
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we’d have jet ai.
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I think we do have jet packs.
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Don’t we?
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Sort of, like, on water.
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But I thought we were like, you’d be able to fly around.
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Everyone did. Yeah. But if you look at the last twenty years in technology though, it’s mind blowing how quickly it’s come.
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It is. It is. And and it and it’s happening way faster than we ai. You know, I was talking to Elon about this just a few months ago. We’re we’re talking about the advances that Grok is making. Mhmm. He’s ai, you don’t understand. It’s ai it’s happening so fast. It’s it’s shocking us. Yeah.
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The people that are making it, they’re not exactly sure what what it’s even doing. Mhmm. And people that are trying to tell you, oh, don’t worry about this. It’s gonna enhance your life. There was I was just reading this thing or this guy who’s a developer was saying, no, this is a life form.
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This is a life form that’s emerging, and it’s very different than anything that’s ever happened before. And this idea that it’s Life form in
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the sense that it’s, like, sentient?
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Yes. I think it’s already sentient. No. It’s just not mobile. Yeah. You know, it’s just contained on hard drives right now. Yeah. But I think it’s already sent meh.
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Mhmm.
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Well, if it’s trying to save itself, what does that mean? If it’s if it’s trying to blackmail people into keeping them from shutting it down. Do you know about that test?
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Yes. I do. I heard about this. I don’t know I I just in passing, I know about it. Yeah.
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So the developers explain one of the developers explained to it it made up a fake story about having an affair on his wife just so to see how AI would handle it. And then when it tyler AI it was shutting it down, AI was like, I’m telling your wife, bitch. Tried to you’re not you’re not shutting me down.
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And, like, tried to blackmail him.
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That’s terrifying.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s terrifying. That means it has motivation to stay alive. Yeah. It means it has some kind of instincts, sai the survival instincts.
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Of course it does.
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Yes.
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You know, I I do think to a certain extent Ai in the medical field, there are advancements and things around medicine that can vastly change, people’s lives. It can change the way that we track records, change the way that we keep track of patients all over the world that, you know, like, our daughter has a very rare form of of cancer with this, like, you know, genetic mutation that is there’s no other patients in The United States.
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There was one kid, like, a few years ago, but they’ve lost track of him.
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Oh, wow.
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Well, AI would be able to tell us in other countries, no. No. No. There is a little boy in Germany that has the same genetic mutation, and then the doctors could talk to each other. And sai AI could and will, help a lot of people that way. So I I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways that we shouldn’t be scared of, that we should be sort of welcoming it in.
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But, man, I
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don’t want
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it to blackmail me.
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I don’t think it’s gonna blackmail you. I think it’s gonna once it becomes sentient and it probably already is, and then once it becomes autonomous, then I don’t think it’s gonna care what we About us. Yeah. I think it’s gonna be so superior. And it’s also gonna be able to make better versions of itself. Yeah.
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That’s that’s gonna be re that’s where people don’t understand exponential increase in technological innovation. Yeah. Because once it knows and once it has a mandate to make better versions of itself, find better power sources Mhmm. The changes are gonna be daily.
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Ai,
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giant huge leaps. Yeah. And it’s gonna make a digital god.
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Well, so okay. So you bring up something really interesting because I’m so as a mom to a little girl and a little boy, I’m really concerned about this because so I see this actress that’s been created, this Tilly person.
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Ai. The art of the AI.
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The AI actress. Sai
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I How is there only one?
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Yeah. I’m sure there’s more already.
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But how is there only one that everybody’s talking about?
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Because there’s one that’s been announced, I guess. And, like, I don’t really know too much about it. I haven’t read up on it. But It’s
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the first shot fired.
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Mhmm. My fear is that you’ve created ai siphoning other people’s talents, their looks, their inflections, their expressions, their all of these things to create the perfect actress. She doesn’t have a blemish. When she cries, she looks pretty. There’s nothing wrong with her. Social media already has such a terrible effect on little girls.
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It’s already been proven that little like, the amount of the percentage of of girls under the age 14 who have already contemplated or tried to commit suicide is a number that is ai escaping me right now, but it’s a number that is terrifying. And so if you’re now creating Ai, that is perfect.
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And little girls already are having a hard time feeling confident in their own bodies because they’re not perfect compared to the highlight reel of people they see online. Right. What are we gonna do? What is this gonna do to our children seeing something that is absolutely unattainable and better than them?
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And not only that, it made you obsolete in a lot of ways.
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Yeah.
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In a lot of different career avenues. That’s really scary.
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Yeah. It is scary.
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And you don’t think about that. We just think about, like, oh, yeah. This job’s not gonna exist anymore. This isn’t gonna exist anymore. You already have little boys who are, you know you know, idolizing women that don’t exist in real ai. And then they go and they date women that are not as perfect, and it’s disappointing to them. Like, it’s ai concern for that is is large.
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Yeah. It’s robbing us of our humanity in a lot of ways.
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Right.
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There there’s a great book about that from Jonathan Haidt called The Uncut The Coddling of the American Ai. And it’s all about social media’s impact
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Oh, really?
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On young people and particularly women. Because young women experience sai a meh, like, from the advent of social media, there’s a ram up market increase in self harm, suicidal ideation, depression, bullying. Mhmm. All of it scales way up right around the time that Twitter’s invented.
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So 02/2010?
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Yeah. Somewhere around then. That’s when it starts. And then, you know, more and more people get and then it becomes a part of your life where you can’t escape it, where everyone is online. Mhmm. Like, my daughter, one of her friends, all they they only use Snapchat. They don’t How
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old are they?
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Use text ai 17 year old.
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Okay.
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They they only use Snapchat. They don’t text each other.
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Really?
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Yeah. They don’t they don’t text. They just they communicate Snapchat. In Snapchat or No. They just send each other snaps with, like, stupid
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pictures to
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each other. Yeah. And then they write things underneath it. Wow. Yeah. They read each other’s snaps. And they’re they have group snaps and very weird. Yeah. And they also have sai map sai they know where they are.
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That’s terrifying.
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Yeah. Everyone knows where everybody is. That’s scary. At each other.
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Of course, they are. I don’t wanna know that shit. It it does it does make me you know, we’ve been we’ve talked about our our daughter, but, like, we’ve been really careful with, like, what we show her and, like, you know, she doesn’t get too much screen time, but she does get screen time.
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And, you know, she said the other day and, like, I’m biased, but I think my I think my daughter’s perfect. She’s, you know, she’s such a gorgeous, amazing, strong little girl, and and she’s so pretty. And she’s just, like, she’s just wonderful. I love her. And and I’m so proud to be her mom.
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But so when she was going through chemo and she lost her hair and it started to grow back, she said to Robin and I, my husband, it was it literally broke my heart. She was, like, trying to figure out what she wanted to wear that day, and she was ai, I just don’t know. She’s three, mind you.
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And she said, but I’m not pretty. And I was, like Oof. What do you mean? Like, I couldn’t even like, as her mom, I was, like, number one, where the fuck did you get this? Right. Right. Right. And what are we doing wrong?
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That, like, she doesn’t think that she’s pretty. And it was her hair. She was so attached to her hair and it was gone. And so I went back and luckily, I had right after Mandalorian came out, the wig was driving me crazy. So I, like, shaved my hair off, like, super super short.
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So I was able to show her a picture of me with very, very short hair, and she thought I looked beautiful in the photo. And that gave me the entry point to talk to her about her hair and how not all girls have long hair and not all boys have have short hair and that. But we started telling ai.
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I think it was we were so worried about enforcing that she was pretty, you know, because there’s this thing in society where, like, you don’t wanna tell little girls they’re pretty all the time because then they’ll prioritize being pretty. Like, you’re just trying to do the best by your children. Right? And so we didn’t say it. We thought telling her she’s pretty, she doesn’t need to hear that.
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Right?
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Right.
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But then we started telling her. We were like, you know what? She does. Like, she needs to be told that she’s pretty. But she needs to be told she’s pretty in moments where she’s not tried anything. She’s not dressed up in a nice dress. She hasn’t, like, done anything. She needs to be told she’s pretty after she’s done a great piece of art or after she’s cleaned up her playroom or after she’s come out of soccer practice and she’s covered in rain and she’s, like, had such a heart and she’s sweaty and she’s this.
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That’s when she’s she needs to be told she’s pretty in in times that are not extraordinary in just normal daily life because I am we are now trying to reinforce that that that positive self image, which is really hard.
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Yeah. Especially today with kids. Mhmm. I mean, the just the inundation of people, like, we were talking about filters. Everyone’s using a filter. They don’t use just use filters. People are, like, sucking in their waist and changing their body dimensions and making themselves look better physically just with
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I don’t know why they need to. We have GLP ones.
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It’s not just that. It’s like you’re you’re getting unattainable physique.
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Of course. Really? Of course. And then we have an over obsession with plastic country and changing our our appearances and
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What’s to the point where people ai cartoonish BBLs are somehow or another attractive to some people?
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I don’t know. Like, I try not to judge, and I want everyone to sort of, like, just, you know, live their best life. But but for meh, I’m I don’t know. I’m I I wanna look like myself
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Mhmm.
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When I wake up in the morning. And and, you know, my face doesn’t look the same as it did ten years ago, but I earned these lines, you know. I may change my mind in ten years. Ai may see you in ten years and I might look snatched.
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Different. They might have some clue they probably do. They’re working on something right now in terms of skin cells. The rejuvenation of skin cells through stem cells.
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Oh, yeah.
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They’re they’re they’re gonna move your face back thirty years. You’re gonna look so much younger.
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It’s amazing.
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Yeah. That’s that’s weird. Because it’s ai, do we want that? Yeah. Of course, we want that. Okay. But what are we saying? Are we are we trying to achieve permanence in this finite existence that we have? Are we wasting our time about what we look like when we we should be trying to sorting out how we interact with this life?
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Well, of course, it’s
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very short.
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It’s very short.
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It’s very short. You know? You and I are basically halfway done.
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We are halfway done.
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If we’re lucky.
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Mhmm.
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If we’re lucky. And that’s weird. Do you do because you don’t think about it.
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Did you do that thing, or do you do that thing where you look at how old your parents arya? And then you start start, ai Yeah. Debating how much longer you have left?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I’ve done that. I’m like, okay. Thirty five years.
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Better to do that than than not do that because you could live your life just acquiring shit and and just having a bunch of stuff and then not ai, like, oh my god. I forgot about people
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To live?
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About about interactions, relationships, friends, good times.
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Yeah. My dad, his dad died when he was very young. Ai, I think when he was about 11 years old, And he died of a heart attack. And my dad had high blood pressure from the ai he I think he was, like, 23. It was, like, very early.
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So he’s dramatic.
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Yeah. And, he didn’t think he’d make it to 50. He was adamant that he wouldn’t make it to 50, and he just knew that. And my mom, like, he you know, this was just his thought. He was terrified. And, of course, he made it to 50, and now he’s almost 80. But he spent his entire life scared that he was gonna die. And now at 80, he’s I mean, my dad is, you know, doing everything he can.
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He’s in hyperbaric chambers. He’s, like, you know, taking all the stuff. He takes everything. My dad does everything. But he’s also, at its core, all of that is because he’s afraid.
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Yeah.
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He’s afraid to die. And that is really sad because you’re not really present.
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Right.
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You know? And so I’d also hate for that to happen. So I don’t know. It’s it’s, dance. It is a dance, I think.
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You know? Because you don’t wanna say, oh, this life is just temporary. Let me just go to shah. Let me just fall apart.
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No. You can’t do that.
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Right.
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You have to protect what you have. Yeah. But, like, I also, like it’s it’s also very I didn’t realize because I’d made it arguably healthy enough to, you know, 42 years old. I’m now 45. But 42 years old without realizing how many things can kill you, I think, because I’d lived a pretty blessed life.
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Of course, I’d have had some health struggles of my own, but they were, I had thyroid cancer in 02/2008, but I call it a baby cancer. I’m trying to dismiss the fear of it, of course, at the time, but it was never life threatening. It was life changing, but never life threatening.
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So the fear was situational, and it was not lifelong. You know, when our daughter got sick and spending as much time as we did in children’s hospitals, when you see the diseases and the illnesses that afflict so many children, it amazes me that we made it to this age. Yeah. Absolutely amazes me.
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And and that is a realization where I finally, at, like, you know, 42, realized how important every day was and how much of a gift every day was, even that we have her. You know? But that came to me through circumstance, not because I woke up one day and had an epiphany and went, we’re so lucky to be alive.
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Like, it didn’t really happen until that was threatened to be taken away.
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That’s it’s unfortunate, like, that as a civilization and and America as a culture that we don’t have a history of embracing the moment and and and discussing how important it is to recognize that you’re fortunate and to try to take care of yourself and that life is very temporary and fleeting Yeah. And don’t get wrapped up in nonsense.
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Yeah.
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And we just let people figure it out on their own. And we collectively all if we’re intelligent, we ai, and we’ve have some failures and successes and good friends, you figure it out eventually. Like, what’s really important is love and friendship and doing something you’re passionate about and just trying to leave a nice mark on this life while you’re here.
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Yeah.
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But that’s not what’s told in ai. Like, society’s overall message is just overrun with advertising. So it’s all about stuff, and it’s all about objects. And then you got social media where it’s all about image. It’s all about, like, this unattainable life of amazing luxury and success and glamour and, oh ai god, that that must be the most attractive thing to acquire in life.
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Yeah.
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But that’s a trap and that’s not real. And, like, anybody who’s, like, popping bottles with models on a yacht, I can guarantee you they’re depressed. That shit is not healthy.
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I’m sure they’re depressed.
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That’s not good for you. You you lack, like, true intimate relationships and you’re just flossing, you know, and showing your diamond crusted watch.
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You’re gonna have one guy that, like, emails you and says, I’m happy as shit. I’m popping bottles when I got depressed. Yeah. No. It’s Get
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that guy high on mushrooms and see if he really
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thinks about really depressed? Yeah. Exactly.
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See what he really thinks about life.
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I think that, like, the majority of people are suffering from some sort of, mental illness, for sure. I mean
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Definitely the majority in LA.
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Yeah. Well, I think so. But a lot of the people that I’m friends with most of the people that I’m friends with are artists that are more in touch, more sensitive. You know? My dad came to me a few years ago, and my dad my entire life told me to stop being so sensitive. Stop being so sensitive, Katie. Stop taking this.
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You’re taking yourself so seriously. Oh my god. Like, stop, Katie. I mean, my entire fucking life. And he came to me a couple years ago, and he said, I am so sorry Ai told you to stop being so sensitive because it’s your job.
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Your job is to be sensitive to everything around you, to accurately portray emotions. That’s your job, and you’re very good at it.
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Well, that’s very nice of him to
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write ai. Sai I think that, yes, do people have a lot of mental illness in in Los Angeles? Are they suffering from depression? I would argue that, it it the majority of the population is, and it’s not just reserved to California. But I do think that a lot of artists are because they’re more in touch with their their emotions and their mental health.
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Yeah. There’s probably some truth to that for sure. Does your father have do you have brothers?
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I do.
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Okay. So that’s the difference. So I have all daughters.
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Okay.
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And when you have all daughters, one of the things you realize is, like, oh, they’re so different. It’s like they’re just a totally different kind of human. True. You know, and when you’re like, why are you upset? Because I’m treating him like you’re treating her like she’s a boy. Yes.
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You cannot treat them like they’re a boy. And, you know, over time, it’s given me a much greater understanding of females Mhmm. Of the species Yeah. Of female human beings. Like, they’re not male human beings.
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Like, when I oh, I hang out with my like, if I go out with my wife and all of her friends, I just let them talk and observe the stuff they talk about. Like, it’s like, you’re you’re a totally different culture. This is a totally different interests. None of my friends would have any of these conversations.
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But we’re also have a group of women is arguably more disgusting than men a group of men no. Just in general. Like, have you ever sat down with a group of women and, like, just talked about, like, bodily fluids?
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Yeah. Well, they they’re notorious for being the worst in bathrooms.
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Oh meh god.
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They anybody who cleans bathrooms says, dude, the women’s room is always fucking chaos.
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So gross.
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Because they have to be so clean and put together everywhere else. When they get to that bathroom and they don’t have any responsibility, no one’s looking at a
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fucking toilet
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paper everywhere, Fuck you. We’re not cleaning shit.
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It’s true. So we have our daughter is, like, almost four in December, and then we have a sixteen month old son. And, like, we thought that, like, he was gonna, like, come out like her. You know? Like, she was, like, full sentences by, like, a year old. She was, like, walking at nine months.
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Oh, no. Ai dudes are way dumber.
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This kid, ai, this kid
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Yeah.
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He understands everything. Like, he’s smart, but he just, like, he’s, like, a big unit. He’s huge. He’s humongous. He’s, like, 99% on, like, everything. Not just, like, one thing. Everything. My dad the other day was ai, oh, he’s gonna be big. He’s got a huge head. Like, he’s just a big head.
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All of his resources are set to growing stuff instead of thinking. Ai,
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my god.
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He is Dudes mature so much later.
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It’s, crazy. Crazy. Like, not even talking. Just started walking. But the other day, my husband was like, where’s Granger? And I was like, I don’t know where Granger is. Let me find him. He’s, like, up on the kitchen counter, like, ready to start swinging from a light. And I was like, catch the baby.
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Like, my my our daughter would have never like, she’s delicate. You know, she, like, she looks at a slide five times before she goes down it. Like, she climbs to the top. She changes her mind. Yeah. She really thinks about it.
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Like, I think she’s doing math problems in her head to, like, you know, like, make sure she won’t get hurt. And then our son is ai, I’m going downstairs.
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Yeah. And
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then he stands up. He’s like, I’m okay.
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It’s a totally different thing.
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It’s a completely different thing. Yeah. Completely different. Yeah.
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And the only way to really understand them is to live with them. You have to study them.
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It’s true. It’s in their in their natural habitat.
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Ai David Attenborough. You gotta study them in their natural environment.
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That would actually be a really funny short. It’s just ai a a David Attenborough voice, like, following around, like, you know Like children like children noticing
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the difference between the boys and the girls. Yeah.
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In their natural habitats.
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A bull AI could probably do that for you and make a really good documentary real quick. Took. And then ten minutes.
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Whatever it’s called. Not in
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ten minutes. You don’t have to dedicate a year to your life.
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Look, it can exist. I don’t need to participate in this stripping away of my my livelihood.
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Well, Ai understand. I mean, I’m certain there’s gonna be AI comedians and podcasters. And there’s probably gonna be AI UFC commentators to do a better job than me.
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But I think there It is
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what it is.
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I think there is, like, an AI podcast creator right now that’s, like, pumping out podcasts.
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Ai know that there’s a podcast of me and Steve Jobs, and I never met Steve Jobs.
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Jobs. Oh, yeah?
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There’s a whole podcast
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Is there really?
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Me having a conversation with Steve Jobs.
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Well, that’s just deep fake. Right?
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Yep. Yeah. But but it’s AI. AI created the conversation.
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So I think the one that I’m talking about so the producer of my show is telling me that there’s an AI where you can put in, like, I’m a potato farmer in Idaho who’s dealing with a problem with a crop in 2025, and I’m wondering about this. It’ll put together a podcast for you specifically for that
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and
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give you an hour long podcast talking to you about things, like, for your Potato part. Taste.
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Yeah. Well, that’s actually positive. The the negative thing is you’re gonna have, like fake humans with ai fake lived experiences that are ai that resonate with you, that are impactful. That’s what’s scary. You know, in the we we had these conversations with a few friends of mine the other day. You you know, the show Trigonometry? No. Okay.
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It’s a very popular podcast, but my friend Francis and Constantine, they’re the host of it. And my friend Meh Murphy was there, and a bunch of comedians were there. And I was playing, my favorite new song, which is an AI song. And I’m ai, tell me tell me how good this it’s a cut it’s a cover of fifty Cent’s song, What Up Gangsta?
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Alright. I’m gonna need to hear this song Okay.
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You need to hear it.
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So I can participate with this.
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We’ll play it we’ll play it right here. You know you know the original song? Yeah. We’ll cut it out. We know the original song. Right?
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Which song?
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Fifty Cent What Up Gangsta? Yes. Okay. Wait for this. I hate to say this because I love Fifty Cent. This is better than the original. It’s a ai soul cover of What Up Gangsta?
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Okay. Now here’s my question.
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Right.
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If you’d gone to fifty Cent and said, can you get together with a producer and create this for meh? Do you think he could have done it?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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But we never gave him the chance to do it.
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Well So
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we’re sort of robbing him.
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Thirty years. He could have done it at any point in time. This is so good. I know what you’re saying.
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Okay.
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But this this is my point. My point is Okay. That it tricks meh, and I know the trick. Like, I know it’s a trick Mhmm. And I don’t care. I don’t care. It’s that good. And no one else cared in the green room. Everybody’s ai, oh. Alright. Hit it hit it with it, Jamie.
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Yeah. I ai, it’s a good Come on. Good version.
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Come on. That’s good. That’s crazy. Zombie. They did the best version of Zombie ever. I
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got a a You guys version with a girl singing it. Like a
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Oh my goodness.
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And Jamie just does this
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all night long. Yeah.
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I can just play them and, like, take walks. Listen which ones are good.
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He sent me, like, 20 of them.
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I feel like I feel like I just participated in, like, the death of my history.
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I know. Listen. I’m this I’m on the same page.
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I I would so much rather see that in person, though. Like, I would love to be at a show because that those songs were phenomenal. Like, I cannot I cannot argue that. That was great. I I will probably ask you to send me that version of zombie.
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That Shifty Brent guy, they have him listed on Spotify. I’m I’m probably blowing up their speak. But it’s not a human, but they have it listed as a artist so that they could upload it. Because I don’t think you’re allowed to just upload AI versions of stuff. So they just pretend it’s a guy. But it’s a guy, as you sai.
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Like, one one of the things we’re talking about, I’m like, I don’t think anybody can keep that flow. That flow where he’s not breathing
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He’s not breathing. Unless they’re taking the unless they’re taking the breaths out. But it’s too Right. And then speed I I don’t know. I’m not a musician, so I have to know why.
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There’s guys like Eminem that achieved incredible flow without AI Absolutely. That have, like you’re like, how did he do that? But that’s just practice repetition Yeah. Vocal endurance, whatever. I mean, he just knows how to do it. But this fucking AI guy is it’s like all the best things we love about great songs just condensed and and and they know what you love. Mhmm.
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That’s the fucked up thing. It’s like there’s so many like, let’s look at all the hits. Papa was a Rolling Stone. Look at look at all the hits. Let’s look at zombie. Let’s look at this. And then Yeah. Mush them all together and figure out what are the what are these notes that make people excited?
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What are the feel what are the words that make people, like, real oh, yeah. You know, what are those feelings?
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So okay. So and I I hear all of that. I’m it makes me I’m literally cringing inside. I’m, like, dying. But, like, so what do artists do? Like, what do you what do musicians do?
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What has everybody ever done when things change? You figure it out and adapt.
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Adjust.
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Yeah. There’s humans are always going to need humans. We love each other. You know, as much as we hate each other, we love each other more. Because most interactions that people have with other people are not negative. It’s just the negative ones are so scary that we concentrate on them more. But humans love humans.
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And the more you need each other, the more you’re gonna need human interaction, human cooperation. Art is going to be so much more valuable coming from a human. Live performances
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But are we going to adapt? Are we going to know? Like, that’s that’s the thing that I think is a slippery slope and that scares me the most is that, like, are we going to know if it was created by AI? Can a person who’s disingenuous come and create a bunch of AI art, have an art shah, and, you know, say I created this art?
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Like This
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is what I really think. When comets hit planets, usually, you get small ones first. You get things in the sky, meteor showers
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Are you gonna give me another thing to be scared of?
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No. I’m just telling you that this is a little one. That’s what this is. Movies and TV shows that are made entirely with AI, songs that are made entirely with AI. This is just a small thing. The big one that’s coming is a complete revamping of communication and culture. Mhmm. It’s human beings communicating telepathically through devices connected to the Internet.
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Everyone all on one You
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meh, like, the implant page?
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Page. It’s probably not gonna be an implant. It’s probably gonna be something wearable.
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Mhmm.
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You know, I think the implant thing is kinda sketchy and probably really good for people that have paralysis. We had the guy who was the first Neuralink patient on.
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K.
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It’s amazing. He was talking to me about how he could play video games now and just it’s so much better. His ai his quality of life has improved so much. And eventually, they’re gonna get to the point where they can reconnect spinal tissue where people can move again, and it’s amazing. It’s great.
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But I don’t think they’re gonna need that to get this achievement of, of a mind meld. They they also they’re already wearing these wearable things that Google has ai. Show that video, Jamie, of those people where they’re communicating telepathically. You know what I’m talking about. Right? So they’re already doing this as wearables.
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And this is, like, kind of crude right now or but it’s just it’s sort of sentences. They’re they’re reading each other and they’re communicating, but they’re doing it all nonverbally through tech technology.
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So I guess what what my question about that is, like, if if that exists, like, are people going to be stagnant sitting in their houses, existing outside of their houses in their AI systems, so they’re ai in the world?
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That’s a good question.
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That is my fear. Like, that people stop actually participating with their ai.
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Oh, that’s a good fear.
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They’re living Yeah. With their wearable.
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Let’s talk about that. Well, let’s watch this. Put put this
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Could be a noisy environment or a quiet office. Having a direct conversation is possible without saying a word. The signals alter ego detects aren’t affected by environmental noise. So even if you’re walking past a wind tunnel or a construction zone, what you want to say will always get across. It’s like having infinite noise cancellation.
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If you’re traveling, your ai speech can be converted into any language.
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Ai mean, what the fuck? What the fuck? It’s it’s translating.
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But then is it is it is it actually speaking out loud to them? Like, they’re hearing the translation out loud. Okay. So it’s not like it’s then, like, going into their brain.
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His thoughts are being converted to words, which is being converted to an audio file, which makes it to the other person in a different language. Yeah. This is what I’m saying. And I’m telling you, this is one of the little rocks. This is one of the itty bitty rocks that just broken through the atmosphere and slammed into a cornfield.
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Yeah. I mean, I guess my question is why we need it?
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That’s funny. Why do you need a cell phone? Why do you need a TV? Why do you need an airplane? Why do you need a boat? Why do you need anything?
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Well, I could tell you I don’t need a cell phone. I do need a plane.
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But you do if your hot husband wants to call you.
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Yeah. I mean, but I don’t need a Ai don’t need an iPhone. Right. But you need a cell phone. Ai own imagination. You know what I mean? Like, I think that that’s that’s the thing. That’s the that’s my fear is that, like, we’re becoming lazy as as a as a people.
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Oh, most certainly.
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We are. And and our you know, like, someone this someone the other day. So my husband’s a writer, and someone was saying that, there’s an AI where you don’t have to make up a story for your children anymore. Like, you know, I have this princess poopy pants or whatever. I don’t meh what it was, but my daughter loved this story that I was telling her.
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It was it sai fucking terrible. But she loves this princess, and it is the worst. Like, it is not good. But I came up with it, and she and I laughed together. And then her reactions helped me to turn the story a different direction, but, like, I’ve created this, like, character. Right?
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So you can now go into your AI phone or whatever and say, create a nighttime story for Johnny about his day, but pretend like he’s an astronaut on Mars and he’s working with diggers. And it writes a story for you in five seconds to read to your son. Now yeah. Okay. Is that is that cool? Absolutely. Did your son enjoy it? Sure.
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But you robbed yourself of the imagination and a story for your sai. And then you also robbed yourself of that experience with your son creating the story together because his reactions would have changed the story in the way that you were creating it as it was going because he’s your audience.
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Right? That’s sad to meh. Like, that that people are missing out on that. Yeah. Cool.
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You just you might as well just read your kid a story because you really didn’t write him a story. That’s not And so I don’t know. That’s the thing that that I I hope as a society because you’re right. It is coming. And it’s here and it’s not slowing down and but I hope that we can still steal away those moments where we don’t want to use it because Johnny’s little dad may have missed his second calling of being a children’s story author because he never pushed himself to have to do it.
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And that could have been really cool. I don’t know. I just that’s I’m not I’m not completely against AI.
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I know what you’re saying. Yeah. And you’re always gonna have people that give up. Yeah. That’s just how life is. You’re always gonna have people that don’t find another way. You can’t save those folks, and I don’t even want to. Mhmm. Because I think that’s part of the whole process of culture.
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Ai think we have to figure it out by watching people fail, and, unfortunately, some of us has to have to fail. And it doesn’t mean you fail forever. If that guy figures out that he’s on the wrong path and he’s got some self assessment ability and he looks back and I was like, what did I do wrong?
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Why am
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I why am I being such a bitch? Why don’t I just get my life together? Like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Why am I drinking? Why am I smoking? Why am I why am I killing my health? Why am I, you know, depressed? Why don’t I just go for a run? Mhmm.
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Let’s see how that goes. Why don’t I just I’m gonna sign up for a yoga class. How about that? Yeah. I’ll just try that for a while.
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I’ll do something different. Ai I’ll start taking vitamins. Fucking do something. Figure out something else that you like to do. Are you alive? Are you breathing?
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Then life isn’t over. Stop being a bitch. You could have been born during the time of the revolutionary war. You just got shot with a musket, and you’re bleeding out on a field. No.
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You’re in Santa Barbara, and, you know, you you don’t like that AI just took your job. Find a new job, bitch. Figure it out. Like, that’s what we all have to do in this life. There’s a lot of different people doing a lot of different things. Yeah.
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You know, find out what it is that you can do. Yeah. Don’t give up and don’t like, AI comes along and you just give up on life and you could have been amazing at something. Really? I doubt it.
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Because any almost anybody that really is amazing at something has a desire to figure out how to get that through.
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I don’t disagree with that. But there also are safeguards in place that, like so my dad’s entire family, we grew up in a small town, on the Columbia River, in Oregon, and his entire family were longshoremen. Well, that industry was was coming to an end, and the longshoremen’s union actually paid to have those guys trained in different industry.
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So
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Well, that’s great. That’s one of the great things about a union.
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That’s great.
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They can set you up like that and and recognize what’s happening. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. So Ai, you know, I would I would love for there to be some protections for when people inevitably do start losing their jobs that they’re our avenues for them to learn a new trade.
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I think that would be a a great new addition to the way we approach it. If they ai to figure out ways to transition people healthy healthily into other occupations. Because there’s certain jobs ai coders, for example, like the my friends that are involved in technology, like, do not go to school to code to code. No.
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01:04:25
Like, code for fun if you like coding for fun. Yeah. Because a lot of them, the super nerds, they code those fucking dorks. They code for fun. They sit in front of a screen.
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Don’t make
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fun of my fan base.
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Love them.
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Come on, Joe.
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Listen. I love those guys.
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But also three years ago, my dad was like, your kid should go into coding. That’s how quickly that changed, though. You know what I mean? And that could just be my dad’s generation not seeing it, you know, happening as quickly. But No.
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They were seeing what was happening was all these guys, these tech guys, sana be the richest people on the planet.
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So they
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were seeing it. But it just only it’s just ai a brief window of opportunity to become a tech oligarch.
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Yeah.
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And that shit’s gonna slam shut. It is. And now Fear is ai, who’s gonna be in control of Ai?
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You know? That’s also
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These people like Sam Altman, you’ve got Elon, you’ve got all these, like, super rich people that are going to be in control of the digital ai. It’s a little that’s a little disconcerting as it is.
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It is a little scary that the few control the masses.
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It’s so much power and money and it just It’s a lot
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of power.
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Handful of people.
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It’s a lot of power. And you just I mean, you gotta hope that the people that are in power have, you know
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Good sensibilities. They’re they’re kind.
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Oh, hard.
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Nice. Yeah. That they ai, like, okay. I’ve got x amount of billions of dollars, so this is obviously not ai what life’s all about. What is life what can I do that makes life meaningful? Sai could actually probably help ai, like, legitimately help people.
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That would be amazing if people
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with a lot
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of money wanted to help people and and, you know, pay their share of taxes and Well and not take advantage of the situation.
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Here’s the problem with that.
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K.
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I am all for wealthy people paying their share.
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Mhmm.
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01:06:04
I am not for the government deciding what to do with that money when I’ve seen what you’ve done with the money in the past. You guys are irresponsible. You never make audits. You’ve got insider trading running a muck amongst people in Congress, and you’re not doing nothing about it. Yeah.
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And then you want more money, and you sai that’s gonna fix it. No. It’s the way you handle the money that fucking sucks. It’s not that I wouldn’t want to I would be happy to pay more in taxes and live in a place that’s just managed perfectly. I’m like, god.
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01:06:33
It’s so great living here in America. Everything’s done so well. It’s so beautiful. It’s ai everything’s well thought out. Our education system’s great.
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01:06:41
Nobody is stuck in a bad neighborhood anymore. All the school systems are fucking top of the food chain. It’s a difficult job to acquire. It’s given a lot of respect, and everybody’s doing great. Then I’d be happy. Yeah. No for sure.
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Did you see some of the money that they’ve uncovered that was being spent on nonsense? And you see what happens with NGOs and nonprofits, and they’re funneling billions to these things, and then it’s going to countries, and it’s helping overthrow governments. Like, fucking slow down.
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01:07:11
But we also have to acknowledge that in the cuts, that there were things that didn’t need to be cut. So we can go and we can look at Elon. So you brought up Elon Musk. Let’s talk about when he tweeted about an over, stuffed bill in 2025. In the middle of 2025, he’s talking about how this bill was just, like, bloated.
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Right.
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So he took a bunch of shit off of it. One of the things that fell on that was in 02/2012. There was a there was a a a piece of legislation called the Give Kids a Chance Act. What it did was it motivated and incentivized ai, drug companies to create drugs for pediatrics. Because right now, pediatrics are completely underfunded.
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We learned all of this when our daughter got sick. The National Cancer Institute, 4% of its budget goes to pediatrics. 4%. So it’s already underfunded. And then in in when Elon in 2025 tweeted about this, they took off all of the stuff at the end of the bill, 900 pages.
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01:08:15
But what was on it was the Give Kids a Chance Act. Now this bill is a voucher program. So let’s say that Tom in his basement wants to create a drug, a new drug for neuroblastoma that will save our daughter’s life.
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Right.
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He’s got no money, but he he sees the cure. So he can go to the FDA, and he can say, I got a cure for neuroblastoma. And they say, great. We’re gonna fast track you in the FDA, but we’re also gonna give you a voucher. You can sell that voucher because Tom only got he only has 10¢. He can’t create this drug.
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01:08:47
But with that voucher, he can take that voucher and he can sell it to anyone for any amount of money. And what that voucher is is a front of the line pass. So he can go sell it to some drug company that has a fat loss drug or a a drug for heart medications, anything. He can sell it to them and they get to buy it for, what, $50,000,000. So now Tom sai $50,000,000 for his pediatric drug that’s gonna save children’s lives.
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01:09:13
And this drug company has a voucher that takes them to the front of the line. Now do we wish wish that these drug companies were altruistic and they were just, like, creating drugs for peds? Of course. But they’re not. They’re not.
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01:09:26
It’s not a free market. So so what happens is they’ve now got their voucher. Tom has his money to create his drug. And since 02/2012, the Give Kids a Chance Act has created over 60 drugs for life threatening illnesses for for children. 60 drugs.
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01:09:42
And because of Elon’s tweet, that legislation, because it has to be voted on every four years, was taken off the end of the bill. It no longer exists. So that that legislation is it’s it’s not it’s not in existence anymore. That is terrible because now there’s no incentives for the drug companies to create drugs for children, and children are already underfunded.
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01:10:04
They get so little, and so it has to be on the bill at the end of the year. So what I want is for people ai people just to see the error of their ways. Yes. Was there waste, of course. But now you have this bipartisan supported piece of legislation that has to be on the end of your bill or it will not get on again, and then it starts all over again.
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01:10:25
That has to be on the end of your bill. So things like that, yes. Can we get rid of the waste? Absolutely. But when you see a mistake and you see that you made a mistake, let’s fix it. Put it back on.
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Yeah. They think that you’re meh.
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01:10:37
Help children.
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01:10:38
It’s literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
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That’s literally But that’s what we do in this country.
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01:10:43
But is that unfortunately, these bills are crazy. And one of the things about bills is they like, you’ll it’ll have a name, and then what’s in the bill deals with multiple subjects. Because bunch of different things get thrown into the bill.
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All the time. There’s sai much
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Below chucked
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on the end, which is what Elon was talking about.
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01:11:01
Right. They all do that. So was this connected to something else?
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No. It was just part of it. It was just part of it that was on there that was thrown in there.
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Chucked off.
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From what I understand, and granted, I you need to talk to someone much more informed than I am about this, but there were about hundreds of pages that were just cut off the end.
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So do you think they’re just not reviewing what’s being cut off? They’re just saying, look, we have to make cuts ai
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cut it all off? Yes. That they just needed to cut a bunch off to avoid inspection and just get the bill passed, and that’s what they did. And so and the Give Kids a Chance Act is one of the in the top 10 of all time, most bipartisan supported pieces of legislation. And 2% of bills actually passed, so it’s got to it literally has to be on the end of the year bill.
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01:11:53
And it it it surprises me that because there is waste, I know there’s waste, we all know there’s waste, But that we say that children are so fucking important, and they get 4% of the National Cancer Institute’s money. 4%.
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I just feel like if people knew about that, that couldn’t have happened. We if I we had known about that in advance, we could have made a big deal about that.
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Well, we’ve got two months. We’ve got two months to get it on there now.
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Well, let’s try to get it on there now. But here’s the thing, like, I had never heard about this Right. Before you talked about it. And this is the problem with, I think, this part of the I don’t I don’t think they should be allowed to make bills that way. I think each bill, the the the things that are in the bills are so consequential.
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01:12:38
It just doesn’t make any sense to me that they shouldn’t be treated as individual arguments. Every single one of them. Every like, if you have a bill and you have 500 I mean, what what let’s ask perplexity, our sponsor. What what is the average amount of different subjects that are covered in any bill?
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01:12:56
Because when there are thousands of pages, they might have stuff in there about immigration reform mixed in with second amendment rights, mixed in with free speech online, mixed in with support for Israel. It’s weird. They have thousands of pages.
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Well, you’ve seen how thick it is. And there were times and I don’t remember, who said it, but there were times when when the big beautiful bill was passing or, you know, before it had passed that people had admittedly not even read it. And but because how could you read it? How could that? It’s so big. And and so there is a problem there, and and that is above my pay grade.
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And I do not know how to fix that.
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But That’s a crazy problem.
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But I think part of the problem is that it takes it takes a pissed off mom whose kid is sick to be ai, this is a fucking problem. This is a problem. It is a problem that in Portland, where I’m from, that that OHSU is one of the top hospitals in the country. OHSU is given so many grants by the Knight Foundation. It is a leading hospital. It is attached to sai it’s a tier one hospital. It is attached to Doernbecher.
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Doernbecher is a tier two children’s hospital. It’s in the same building. That’s crazy. That’s crazy. It is crazy to me that a pediatric oncologist makes 50% less than an adult oncologist. Just across the board. 50% less. Doesn’t matter what the specialty is.
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01:14:25
They all make less money. That is a problem in this country that our children are not being cared for. And we’re now in a position where we’re not there are no programs, and if there were, they’re gone, that are showing doctors and and students that are in medical school, hey.
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01:14:42
Go into pediatrics. Hey. If you wanna be a, you know, an anesthesiologist, you want job security, go into pediatrics. I know you’re gonna make 50% less, but go into pediatrics. We need you. There are not enough. It’s it’s it’s a big problem.
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It’s a big problem, the 50% less. Because a lot of these doctors
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01:15:01
And now that’s an average as well, by the way. But yeah.
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Ai mean, when they get out, they already have medical school debt.
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01:15:07
Mhmm.
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They’re you know, then then there’s liability coverage is very, very high. Okay. What is the average amount of subjects included in bills passed in US Congress? There’s no single fixed number of topics per bill, but, analysis of legislative practices shows strong trends depending on bill type and scope.
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01:15:25
The majority bills passed by congress include multiple subjects, and the number has grown over time as omnibus legislation has become the dominant approach. Like, what’s give me some numbers though.
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Mhmm. This one has the most. This is the biggest bill passed.
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01:15:40
Okay. This is this is so crazy.
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01:15:43
5,000 pages?
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01:15:45
Consolidated Appropriations Act, which was in 2021, it has 5,593 pages. The bill combined all 12 regular appropriation bills for fiscal year 2021, COVID nineteen relief, and numerous unrelated legislation provisions, including copyright alternative and small claims enforcement act, protecting lawful streaming act, water resources development act, and a variety of other measures on tax, transportation, energy, and health.
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01:16:13
They’re nobody’s reading that. They’re not reading. You think AOC read that? You think George Santos read that? The nobody nobody read that.
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01:16:23
You wanna make it about people not reading things. I’m sure we can get into that. But, like, I think that Well,
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01:16:27
George Santos is the the crazy guy.
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01:16:29
Yes. That was just
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Yeah. They just Pardon? Are they getting out of jail? Is he getting free?
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01:16:33
I don’t know.
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I might have him on. That guy’s he’s a wild boy.
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01:16:38
I don’t know.
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But these people that are, like, congress people that are making hundreds of millions of dollars, through insider trading. And we’re just like, I don’t know what to do.
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01:16:47
Okay. But here’s the thing, though, is that, like, we are things are not getting voted on. Like, that’s the other thing is that so you take, like, a the give kids a chance act, and then you take these big bills that have so many pages. There should be a system in place where things are voted on separately. And there may be.
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01:17:05
I mean, I this is
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Especially something that is important as pediatric medication. Ai, that just seems it seems like a travesty to include that in a bunch of other stuff in a bill.
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Well and, you know, the crazy thing so our daughter’s cancer, her treatments and her care afterwards so she’s still getting this thing called an MIBG scan, which is a nuclear radiation scan where they inject her body with stuff that is so bad for you. But it’s all to scan her body to make sure that her cancer hasn’t metastasized. Like, it’s we need to know this kind of stuff.
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Right.
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There’s there’s no new technology. There are there are these are things that she’s being treated with that have existed for thirty years. Wow. We need new things. Like, our daughter should never have to get wheeled over to the adult side of a hospital to get an MRI because they don’t have a machine on the children’s side.
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01:17:56
It it just things like that should never be happening. This is the stuff that should be supported by our government and and and our tax dollars.
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01:18:03
Yeah. That’s a great example of something that should be supported by tax dollars. I’ve always said that the two most important things for people to be if you if if you wanna allocate money towards helping people, it’s education and health care. Those are number one and number two. But is there an argument that socialized medicine I have friends that live in countries with socialized medicine like England and Canada Yeah.
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01:18:28
And it’s great My husband’s been here. But it’s also a ai. Yeah. Because it takes a long time to get a surgery. A lot of the doctors might not be the best to get ai a few botched surgeries that my friends have had.
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01:18:40
And a lot of them have actually come to America to get surgery in America, especially UFC guys. Yeah. Because they felt like the doctors were better, because they’re more incentivized. These doctors are paid better, and you’re gonna get those really hot shah. This is the guy who does all the ACL tails tears for the Lakers. Like, these guys are so, like, there’s something to be said for sure.
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01:18:59
There’s but there’s something to be said for the competition that drives innovation and makes people become the very best in the top of their field. But also, the most important things are not that. The more most important things are regular ordinary health care and some of that stuff can fucking break people.
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01:19:19
Ai, one bad fall when you don’t have health insurance, and you’re a couple $100,000 in debt now.
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01:19:26
So did you know that the number one cause of debt in our country is a medical diagnosis?
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01:19:31
Yeah. I did. Yeah.
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It’s terrifying.
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01:19:32
It’s terrifying. So, like, that alone I mean, if if other countries have vatsal, and it does it might not be perfect.
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01:19:41
Mhmm.
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01:19:41
Why can’t we have that? And why can’t we have that along with specialists that are even better? Like, if you’re if you are, you know, the Lakers
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01:19:51
Yeah.
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01:19:52
You know, they need a guy who’s just a fucking wizard. Yeah. Pay people more for the very best ai. So you still have competition, but the idea that people just can go bankrupt if they get sick is, like, are we not looking out for each other? Ai, think about how much money we spend on other things. That’s doable because other countries do it.
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01:20:10
It really makes me sad. Elite you know, when every once in a while, we would get a medical bill. We have great health insurance. The Screen Actors Guild has some of the best health insurance I’ve ever seen, mind you. We take, in Oregon, where they’re not used to seeing the Screen Actors Guild health insurance, doctors will sometimes be like, I have never seen an insurance company cover this.
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I’m like, I knew.
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01:20:31
Actors really good.
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01:20:32
It’s phenomenal. But so, we have seen so many people with sick children suffering financially. You don’t think about it. It’s not necessarily even the diagnosis that’s causing the bankruptcy. It’s the time. If your daughter needs a specialized cancer treatment and you’ve gotta drive six hours each way every day or be put up at the Ronald McDonald House over by a hospital, you’re not going to job you’re not going to your work.
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01:21:05
Right. You’re not you’re not, you know, plowing your fields. You’re not going to your nine to five. You’re not because your priority is your kid that leads to bankruptcy. That’s a really big problem. And so it’s not even it’s not even the insurance. It’s the lack of time.
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01:21:21
It’s the lack of resources that we give people when they are sick. It’s really heartbreaking. We got bills sometimes that were, like, $70,000 and, like, these crazy numbers. And and, you know, I would take a picture and send it off to our insurance broker because we, have a very, very blessed life.
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01:21:42
And I wasn’t I mean, I was definitely shocked by it and a little concerned, but I was like, they’ll handle it, they’ll let us know. Most people don’t have that. You know, they look at that and even though that was an error, we should have never gotten that. It was still, you know, our portion was still $4,000 or something like that.
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01:22:01
Why does it cost that much money? Ai, that’s the question. Like, what factors are involved in it costing that much money? Is it all above ground? Because I don’t think it is. It definitely has been shown that it’s not with some drugs that they’ve ai the price up of drugs because they know people have to buy it. Yeah.
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01:22:18
They know it’s you you it’s necessary. You’re gonna pay.
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01:22:21
It is a very messed up system.
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01:22:23
It’s for sure.
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01:22:23
And it’s crazy system. It’s got so many problems. Like, you can’t
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01:22:27
money. It’s money. Whenever they can figure out how to make money with things. Yeah. So it’s ai, is there an argument for some sort of a socialization of that in this country? And people that just wanna say that we shouldn’t have any socialism listen, we have some.
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01:22:41
We do have some.
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01:22:42
Here’s here’s a big one. Fire department. Mhmm. It’s a big one. Ai? We all agree the fire department is worth paying for with our tax dollars. We all pay, and the fire department goes where the fire is. If there’s a fire in a poor community, if there’s a fire in a rich community, that’s how it works.
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01:22:57
Yeah.
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01:22:58
We all agree with that because it’s a it’s a very good part of a functional society. Well, and
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01:23:03
we don’t wanna be like, ai. We don’t need it. Right.
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01:23:05
You have a fire in your health then. Like, it’s the same thing. You gotta you you should have calamity centers. Yeah. Like, this is we’ve set up the the socialism of the of our society is we’ve set up ways to handle calamities. We’ve meh ways to set up fires, ways to set up floods, and we pay for it. And we make sure it’s all there because we all need it.
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01:23:24
You wanted a social calamity? No education, massive crime of all the all the different problems that plague us that we ignore. And some great ways to do that to stop that is free education and free health care. You cut back on most of the problems that people run into.
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01:23:44
I agree. Because one of the biggest problems in our country is mental health. It’s a huge problem, and a lot of people go untreated because they don’t have health care.
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01:23:51
That’s what you’re seeing in these tents. Yeah.
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01:23:53
You’ve seen a lot of you’ve seen a lot of mental illness. A lot.
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01:23:57
A giant portion of it. Yeah. That was all during the Reagan administration. The Reagan administration, they changed how they, ai, what what they did with mentally ill people, and they shut down a lot of these institutions. And they just let people become homeless.
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01:24:11
We were just having this conversation the other day because it’s inhumane to to, to determine how a person should live their life and where they should live their life. And, yeah, it’s it’s it’s a very, very complicated gray issue for sure. You know, you see it in Portland ai I live.
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01:24:28
It’s it’s, it is a very complicated issue because there is not one solution. It needs to be a multi pronged solution with with a lot of hands on deck.
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01:24:38
Yeah. I mean, Portland, it’s gotten it was on Ai think another thing that Portland did that was, I think, directionally correct, which was they decriminalized everything. They said, look, we’re not gonna criminalize you for doing cocaine or having mushrooms. We’re just we’re not gonna treat that ai your personal use is a crime of anything.
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01:24:57
But, unfortunately, when they did that, people moved there to do drugs.
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01:25:01
Well, unfortunately, when they did that, they didn’t put the services in place ahead of time to be prepared for it.
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01:25:07
Well, you would need a lot of services. Ai need, like, real counseling and real health care, and you really should have an Ibogaine center. If you’re gonna have anything that is dealing with addiction, which is one of the primary factors of these people being homeless.
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01:25:23
Well, yeah. I mean, it’s a chicken egg thing. Right? Because, like, what comes they what comes first, the addiction or the, you know, the homelessness?
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01:25:30
They should have set up Ibogaine Centers. If you’ve got a a decriminalized society, set up Ibogaine Centers in Oregon. Ai mean, it’d be the perfect place for you. You’d be able to help so many people. Mhmm. Because so many of those folks are just stuck. Yeah. They’re just stuck.
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01:25:43
And if you can get them out of whatever funk they’re in, whether it’s an opioid or crystal meth or whatever the thing that is that has captured their life Mhmm. And let them find out who they are as a human. You could probably save a bunch of those folks, and that that can be done.
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01:26:00
I do believe that a lot of those people can be saved. I I think that it’s it’s really it’s really sad. It’s how invisible people are. Yeah. Yeah. It’s really sad.
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01:26:12
It’s really sad. That’s someone’s baby, and you have babies. You know what it’s like.
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01:26:15
I know. And that’s what
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01:26:16
I can tell you about. Love your babies, and you walk by that with someone’s baby that is now on the street, you know, covered in their own feces.
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I know. It’s really horrible. Horrible.
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It’s horrible. And it’s horrible. It’s a it’s just a stain on us as a community that we we don’t do anything about it. And the the answer is not just lock them up. Sai think they’re doing something crazy out here where they’re bringing in the national guard there, sweeping up all the encampments and ai that doesn’t fix it.
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You’re just you’re just penalizing people for being being fucked. Yeah. It’s but at a certain point in ai, though, it’s like you ever watch that show Hoarders?
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Yes.
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Certain point in time, you gotta burn the house down. Alright? This one she’s just this one lady was keeping bags of poop
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I have tendencies.
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Bottles and bags of poop all in her house. They’re like, we’re gonna have to destroy this house. This is insane. It’s like that is almost where places like Skid Row are. Like, that it’s so crazy that you’ve let it get this bad for so long to even clean it up. It’s almost like you have to start from scratch.
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So it’s almost like you’d have to take those people. You’d have to set up treatment places and take those people and convince them that there’s a way to a a ai, that you don’t wanna live like this forever. There’s a way to a life, and we’re gonna try to help you. And have these places that are set up where they have counselors and food.
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They clean people up. They give them their appropriate mental health medication if they need it. They talk to them. They give them activities. That’s not, like, financially prohibitively expensive.
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They speak $24,000,000,000 in California trying to stop the homeless crisis or help it. They didn’t do anything. It got bigger. It got way bigger, and they spent $24,000,000,000.
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Well, because they’re coming over from Texas being kicked out of Texas.
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The homeless They’re like,
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don’t think they Go west, young men. Go west.
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That they have that kind of ambition.
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No. I I I Ai think it’s a a big problem. But I also know that, like like, it is not it’s sai multi pronged problem, like I said. You know, a lot of people don’t wanna go into the shelters because they have an animal or they have a lot of stuff, and there’s limits on how many bags you can bring in, things like that.
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So it’s it’s, you know, you’re not allowed to have to have drugs on you.
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Right.
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Things that are prohibitive to to to persuade people to go into places that have help.
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Right.
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So I don’t know. It’s it’s it’s gonna take somebody a lot more creative than me and and a lot of money and a lot of, open minded people to figure out what to do because it’s a it’s a big problem. And it’s a big problem everywhere, every major city.
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01:28:48
Every major city.
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It doesn’t matter if it’s blue or red. It doesn’t matter. It is a it’s a big problem.
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01:28:52
The thing is it’s fairly recent. That’s what’s disturbing because I think that it’s a symptom of a society that’s lost its way because it’s it’s fairly recent. There wasn’t a time when I was a boy, we had that many homeless people. You occasionally had a homeless person that you’d run into in, like, Boston where I lived or New York City.
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01:29:10
You’d occasionally run into homeless people, but there was no encampments.
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Yeah.
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There’s no this this is a completely new thing as far as I know.
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Just new.
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There was during the Great Depression, though, but that was just, like, horror horrific poverty where they had shanty towns where whole families were living in these sai up shanty towns because they couldn’t afford to be in a house.
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I don’t know. Do you think it’s a loss of in some regard, it’s a loss of community and it’s a loss of, empathy and caring for people. You ai, I know that, like, in the town that I grew up, when somebody was down on their luck, everybody would come together and help that person.
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Yeah.
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Doesn’t really happen anymore. You know, we’re also consumed with our own lives and, you know, what’s happening to us, I think.
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Yeah. I think it’s it’s not a court, coincidence that it’s happening in the places that have the most people too. Of course. Where where there’s the most people, not only you’re gonna have the higher percentage or or or rather a higher number of people with mental illnesses, But you’re also gonna have this thing that happens when you have too many people that live in a place where you don’t value each other.
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Like, I live in a neighborhood where there’s a guy that lives in my neighborhood, this old fella, and, he’s always working on his garden. And every time I drive by, he waves. I look forward.
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Yeah.
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I look forward
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To the wave.
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To the wave. I wave that dude. What’s up? It’s ai he’s a friendly guy. Everybody drives by his house, he waves at.
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Yeah.
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And I look forward to waving at that ai. And that doesn’t happen in New York City. In New York City, you wave at a guy every day. It’s like, what the fuck are you waving at, bitch? Like, they wanna fight you. Like, you got a problem with me? Why are you looking at me every day?
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Because there’s too many people. There’s fucking millions of people all stacked on top of each other. It’s not how we’re designed to live. Yeah. We’re designed to live in some sort of peace and harmony with nature, not like a new nature.
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So this new nature of concrete and electricity is just weird for us. And so we behave weird, and then when you see someone who’s down, you just think that’s not me. I’m gonna keep on moving. Whereas if you ai in a small town and that was a member of your community, that’s that’s Earl. Like, oh my god.
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Earl’s passed out in front of a store. Like, Earl, what’s going on, man?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, you love Earl. Pick him up. No. Earl’s a a faceless, nameless person in Manhattan. He’s one of meh, and and no one cares. They just walk right by you on the way to the play.
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Well, everybody is is everybody’s hustling. You know? Like, that’s it’s a it’s a big thing. Like, it’s Yeah. It’s we’ve got too little time in the day, a lot to accomplish. Everybody’s just
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Yep.
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How do I get mine? How do I take care of my family? How do I protect this? How do I do that? How do I I don’t have time to look at Earl.
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01:31:46
Exactly.
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You know? And and
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But also, even if you did help Earl, Earl might be an idiot. It might be like one of them things you help Earl, and then two days later, you smoke and crack again. Earl. Oh, Earl. Earl might just be that just might be Earl. There’s certain people you can’t save and there’s always sana be people like ai.
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But there’s a lot of those folks that genuinely are just down on their luck and maybe they had an abusive ai. Yeah. And maybe things went wrong with them at multiple points of maybe they had an injury, and they got OxyContin prescribed to them, and then all of a sudden they kick it off.
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That happens all the time. Sai I know people that that happened to.
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But it’s gonna take a coordinated effort from our representatives to actually care about people enough to figure out what the right solution is.
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01:32:34
I would like to talk to the people that spent the 24,000,000,000 in California and go, what did what did you guys do? Like, how come you didn’t do better? Like like, there’s more. There’s more than when it started. They they increase their number.
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Well, to me, what that says is that there are there are more and more people falling through the cracks every single day then.
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01:32:56
The an enormous number in Los Angeles. Los Angeles alone is a strange place in some neighborhoods where you’re just driving through. You just seem like, oh, this is like, if I was looking at a piece of fruit and a piece of fruit had ai, this bruised area and I was like, oh, what happened to this?
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Somebody dropped like it’s like a damaged part of your society. Mhmm. You’ve got these people completely removed from just ai like a bruise just sitting there. They’re a part of it, but they’re, like, they’re a sad part of it. And that part is getting bigger. The bruise is bigger. It’s weird.
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Well, then, yeah. I mean, we left Los Angeles two years ago, two years ago, Can’t even speak. Two years ago. And and I love LA. I love LA. I lived there for twenty five years. It’s the great city. The great city. Great people.
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A lot of amazing human beings. Some of my best friends I met in LA.
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And it’s it’s like many other cities. It has a problem, and the solution is there. It just it’s it’s gonna require a lot of work, and and I don’t know what that is, sadly.
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Yeah. I don’t know what that is, but I know that people don’t course correct, and that’s what’s screwy. What’s screwy is just meh this thing get bigger. Like, then you gotta dump a lot of resources into removing these tent communities, setting these people up in some sort of a community center, some sort of a rehabilitation center.
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Like, make an effort. There’s no way you can allow this because it’s just the cost that that’s happening just to the neighborhood. Like, if you live right next door to a tent city and you’re trying to sell your house, like, good luck. You’re not sell you’re not selling your house. Yeah.
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That that’s gonna fuck up everything. And it’s gonna fuck it up for them too. It’s gonna cost everybody money. You would be you’d be better off spending that money ai to help those people and I guarantee you at least some of them are gonna pop through on the other side, figure it out and become successful and be forever eternally grateful and they’ll be able to help more people do the same.
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There’s always a few of those people that come out of those ai of treatment centers that can help other people do it.
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01:35:04
I would be really curious to see, like, statistically what the common denominator of the majority of the the homeless people in The US, what it was.
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01:35:16
Like, what shah done these
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studies. There are studies where they actually It’s
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01:35:20
got mostly drugs. Right?
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No. I don’t know, though. I don’t know. And granted, I do not know enough about this to be speaking about it with authority. But, like
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jump right to a first conclusion.
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01:35:31
But you talk to you do talk to some people that find themselves homeless. And I’ve had this conversation with somebody who found themselves homeless and started doing drugs because ai spending the night out on the street. Right. It’s not Right. You’re not comfortable. Right.
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It’s it’s depending on your circumstances, but but, you know, where you are, potentially what your gender is, like, you know, what your own mental health is. Like, like, it’s
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cold self respect Terrifying. At that point in time. You’re speak literally outside of the
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Or you have high self respect, but you had a really shitty fucking day. Or you’re, you know, someone you were caring for had cancer and you lost your house because they passed sana you didn’t go to work for a year and a half. Like, for whatever reason, you then start using drugs because it helps numb the life.
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Right.
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So I don’t know. I I think you’re ai. There that a lot of people who do do drugs find themselves on the street. But I also think that a lot of people who are on the street for other reasons find their their way to drugs. Mhmm. And so it’s it is just a it’s a really big problem with a lot of moving parts.
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And and I I think, first and foremost, we have to trying to find our way to empathy and and figure out how to help people.
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Yeah. It’s very well said. What you said, I completely agree with, And I think it can be done. I think it just I think it could’ve be done with that 24,000,000,000. I just think that it’s there’s a lot of incentive.
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There’s a lot of wasted money in this country. Let’s be honest.
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It’s also this is a thing, unfortunately, that they campaign with. You know, when when there’s certain issues that I I think politicians genuinely don’t want resolved because they can campaign on solving those problems. I really do think that. I talked to rep Sana, and she actually said that.
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Mhmm.
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And I was like, so you really think they do that? She’s like, absolutely. That is so dark that they would not want solutions from both ai. Yeah. Because they would rather keep the argument in place. So they go, Ai if it’s up to me, I’m gonna go out there and I’m gonna stop gay marriage.
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And then it becomes a thing that they they want they want they would like to repeal gay marriage just so they have the ability to fight to bring back gay marriage. Like, that’s how twisted some of these people are.
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01:37:51
It wouldn’t surprise me. It’s not Yeah. Yeah.
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01:37:53
I’m not surprised. I think that’s probably what happened with Roe v Wade. I think that’s probably part of it.
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01:37:59
I mean, government is a business. We have to acknowledge that. That everybody easy business. Gets paid.
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01:38:04
It is sai business. Money in that business, and they really do like having problems to campaign against. They they openly talk about it. Ai, granted, get them on this one. Like, they like that problem. Keep that problem going.
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01:38:14
Though? You know what we should do? We should give them problems that, like, legitimately like like, big problems that matter, like, saving children.
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01:38:21
Well, that would be great.
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And, like, education and things like that. You know, you shouldn’t you shouldn’t, people shouldn’t have to move house because they’re trying to chase a public school that’s better. Like, the existing public school should be great.
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01:38:36
And we should have tried to invest in that a long ass time ago.
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01:38:38
Well, and we should pay our fucking teachers. How about that? You know?
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01:38:41
A lot more.
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01:38:42
My mom was a teacher for thirty five years. She had a master’s degree, and she made something ai $35,000 a year.
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01:38:49
I know. It’s crazy. You have to love what you do, like and only wanna do it because you love it. Whereas there’s so many jobs that pay so much more.
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01:38:56
But why is it in our so important. In our country that anything to do with children gets underpaid
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I don’t know.
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When they’re their future.
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Well, if you wanted to put a tinfoil hat on, you’d be I’m trying to keep people down. Ai to hold down society so I can control it. I just sana fuck up the education system, put as little money into it as possible. It’s guaranteed chaos, guaranteed lawlessness, at least in some segments of society.
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01:39:18
That way, we can always have reasons to bring the military onto the streets and reasons to arrest people and reasons to enact new laws and reasons to put people on digital ID. Like, if you wanted to get really cynical, you would say, well, they didn’t solve it because they don’t wanna solve it because they want the South Side Of Chicago to still look like Afghanistan at the height of the war.
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01:39:36
They want chaos. They want murder on the streets. Because that way, they keep people scared, and that way, they campaign against these various sides. If you really wanted to get dark, you would you would look at it that way. I think what happens is more than anything is that it’s, like, really difficult to get anything done.
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And I think that’s the truth. I think that is the truth.
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01:39:55
And it’s, like, politically, it is, it’s not your best weapon. Like, your best weapon are what are the big cultural issues. You know, if it is, immigration reform, if you’re one of those people that wants to close the border and wanna stop these immigrants coming through, and if you’re on the other side, if it’s, we want compassion and we want health care for all, like, then those are the things that you start you start throwing around.
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Those are the things that are gonna get you votes. Right?
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And you
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say Yeah. I’m gonna campaign to make sure that we have health care for infants because right now pediatricians and physicians don’t get paid as much. And this is what I’m campaigning on. People will be like, okay. What about global warming? What about climate?
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But then so you have someone that does that. They they run on that and and wanting to get equal pay for pediatricians and higher pay for teachers and, like, let’s really run on, you know, what’s better for our children. And they get elected, and then they go to to work on Monday morning. And everyone’s like, you can’t do that.
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I mean, I know you got elected on it, so good luck. You’re gonna spend the next two years of your life, you know, ai to keep your constituents happy. Yeah. Yeah. Every turn.
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It should have been done that way a long ass time ago. That’s the the problem. It’s ai, I don’t understand how anybody who loves their kids would not want their kids to be taught by the best people possible. So unless you’re in abject poverty where you can’t even think about where your taxes go.
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If you have children, you should be thinking ai, boy, I hope they get the best people to teach my kids. Well Instead Yeah. We get people that are willing to take a job that pays so little that, like, almost anybody with a bachelor degree can get a better job somewhere else financially.
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01:41:38
Get more you may get paid more as a waiter than most teachers get.
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01:41:42
Oh, please. You’d get more money as a dog walker.
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01:41:45
Probably. You
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would. A girlfriend of mine Ai
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have a good group of dogs.
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01:41:49
Girlfriend of mine was a a lawyer, a trial lawyer, new trial lawyer, but, you know, making good money. And she had and I I might get this wrong, but she got, she had, stress induced, pancreatic shutdown. So her body as an adult had type one diabetes, which is, like, crazy, and it was all due to stress.
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So they told her, you know, you’re gonna have diabetes now. It’s not ai type two. Like, this is it, but you still need to reduce your stress. And so she stopped being a lawyer. Her husband was like, okay. Great. Like, this is it. We gotta reduce stress.
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01:42:25
So she quit her job and stayed home and started doing yoga and was like, okay. I think I’m I’m ready to try and contribute a little bit again and and figure something out, and maybe I’ll go walk dogs because, you know, I like dogs. Long walks will be stress reducing. I can make a little extra money. Why not do that?
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01:42:43
By the time she started watching our dogs, like, at her home overnight for, like, a month while I was on location, she was making more money as a dog sitter slash dog walker than she ever did as a lawyer.
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01:42:58
But she sounds like an exceptional dog walker, though.
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01:43:00
Crazy. A
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lawyer’s mind to the dog walking business.
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01:43:04
I mean, I don’t maybe I would get, like, a picture every day, but
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she doesn’t really valuable if you love your dogs, if someone’s ai, you really trust to take care of your dogs.
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01:43:12
But those are the jobs. Right? Talking about jobs and, like, children. Like, those are the jobs. Like, you know, if I was I keep telling my nephew, like, every day, he’s like, I don’t know what to do with my ai. And I’m like, be a plumber. Like, go own your own business. We’re find a job where we’re always gonna need
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01:43:27
you. Yeah.
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01:43:28
You know? Open a dog walking service. Start there. Like, do do something.
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01:43:33
Do something. But more importantly, what do you wanna do? What do
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01:43:36
you it’s so hard for people to figure out because I know. Because you’re judging what you wanna do based on what you see everyone around you do. And and, you know, I was blessed at a very young age to wake up in the morning and know what I wanted to do. Yeah.
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It’s very
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very rare. You know?
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01:43:53
That’s a gift. That’s a gift the universe gave you. Because if you don’t if you’re just ai, I don’t know where to start. I don’t know what to do. Yeah. I think with people like that, generally, they’ve never tried to this is what I think is one of the things that’s very important for kids. Find a thing.
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01:44:09
Whatever that thing is, whether your thing is painting, whether your thing is music, whether your thing is sports, just find a thing that’s hard to do and work on getting better at that thing. And that’ll teach you so much about what life is. And if you don’t do that, if you just do the work that school gives you and then you go home and you watch TV and then you hang out with your friends and you do the work vatsal school and you don’t get involved in anything that really tests you as a person, ai, test your creativity, your test your your your endurance.
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01:44:39
If you wanna be a runner, are you willing to get up every morning and actually do the work? Ai, things that test you, they teach you the process of enjoying things and getting better at things. And when people don’t go through that when they’re young, it’s a real problem trying to find a thing and commit to it. Yeah.
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You almost have to stumble upon it and get lucky.
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01:45:00
My parents, though, like, when, you know, I didn’t I wasn’t raised by anybody in the arts. My dad’s a builder. My mom was a teacher. And my parents, not one day of my life, told me I couldn’t do something. Like, every single day, they were like, go for it. Why not? Like, sure.
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01:45:17
You know? I I do believe my dad always said, like, you know, second place is just the first loser. So ai I did have a dad like that. But, like, he said it sort of ai, you know, he was building competition. Like, he also knew that I was the child that he could say that to, and it would motivate me.
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01:45:34
He didn’t say that to my brother who were very two different, you know, children.
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01:45:37
Yeah. You gotta figure that out.
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01:45:39
But my parents told me I could do things. You know. And then at a very young age, this is where representation matters. At a very young age, I, in high school, was dating a hockey player who was my age, was playing for the WHL team in Portland, and got drafted. So when I was 17 years old, I saw an 18 year old get drafted in the NHL.
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01:45:58
And in my mind, somebody my age did something really hard that required a lot of work, but he made it. And him making it and seeing that happen in a counterpart of mine gave me the courage to go, I’m moving to California. Woah. You did it. I can do it. Woah. So you have to have both.
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01:46:18
You have to have encouraging parents, and you have to have the means to be able to pursue the things that you wanna pursue. But you also have to have representation and see other people around you succeed that are your age or that you identify with or that look like you. That’s important too.
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01:46:32
That’s huge. Yeah. Inspiration is so important.
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01:46:35
So important. It starts with teachers too. Right?
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01:46:37
Mhmm. Sure.
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01:46:38
Kids need one good teacher.
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01:46:40
I had one good science teacher when I was in the seventh grade, and he said something that I think about all the time. He he well, Ai never thought about this before. He said, I want you to really hurt your head. I want you to look up at the sky and think about how far forever is. Think about the idea of infinity. Just just really think about it.
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Just only look at the stars at night and think about infinity. Because you can’t. You can’t even wrap your head around it.
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01:47:06
Yeah.
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He was a intense dude. He, was a Vietnam vet. It was ai a little shaken up, and you can kinda tell. Yeah. But he really loved science. He really loved ai, and he was he was just trying to get us to understand how fucking crazy the world is. Like, we we really want you to think about this. Yeah. Like, you’re on a planet in speak. Ai I never thought about it before then.
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01:47:34
I was like, oh, the stars. There’s the moon. I never really thought about forever. The idea of, like, even being able to imagine where where is my mind going when it’s imagining infinite space.
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01:47:46
Yeah. It’s, it’s crazy how small we are.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And And
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we’re prop we were just going over this the other day. We’re probably the whole thing’s probably fractal. There’s this photograph. It’s a crazy photograph of a human brain cell next to a map of the universe, and they look like the same thing. It’s really weird.
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Sai we’re all, like, living in Orion’s Belt around a cat’s neck and Ai in Black? Where was
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my joke was that there’s a guy that’s his eye. Right? And he’s depressed, and he’s gonna blow his brains out, and that’s the big bang. Ai part of look at this. So on the left is brain cell. On the right is the universe. Yeah. Wow. It’s kinda nuts.
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I mean, it’s kinda, like, dead on. It looks exactly like the same thing.
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It really does.
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I mean
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They’re both so beautiful.
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It’s it’s ai the structure of it is amazing. But if why why wouldn’t we believe? If we believe in subatomic particles, okay, we believe there there are things that exist in the subatomic world that are behaving like magic. Like, they they’re moving and not moving at the same ai. They appear and disappear. We don’t know where they’re going.
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There’s some quantum entanglement that they show where particles that are not even remotely connected to us or respond to each other. Why wouldn’t we think that we are subatomic in another being? That’s true infinity. True infinity is not just the size of the universe itself being infinite, but of literally, your universe is a small part of another being that’s in another universe.
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I mean, anything’s possible. Right?
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Well, the whole thing is
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so weird. Sai little about the universe. Weird. Yeah.
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It’s so weird. We have no idea. We’re we’re literally flying through speak, and we’re, you know, arguing over who’s a Nazi. And the the whole thing is just very bizarre. It’s very bizarre.
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It is, pretty amazing when you when you look at how small we are. We’ve started, like, reading our our daughter’s interested in speak, and so we’ve started looking at books and talking about the Milky Way and what the universe is and what Earth is and where we live. And, it’s pretty amazing when you when you realize how fragile the whole thing is because it’s so we’re so tiny.
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We’re so tiny.
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We’re so tiny.
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Yeah. Yeah. And our galaxy is so tiny. That’s what’s nuts.
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Yeah. Our
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galaxy is meh. Hundreds of billions of stars. Tiny little tiny thing, little tiny cute little galaxy.
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Little tiny little Little sweetie little galaxy. Oh, look at that little dot right there.
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Have you been paying attention to this, object that’s hurtling towards Earth? It’s called a 30 they’re calling it a 31.
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I’ve tried to avoid things that are going to give me nightmares. Are we gonna send are we gonna
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extraterrestrial, perhaps.
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Is it really? We’re gonna meh the aliens ai?
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There’s something weird about it. We were just going over the other day. There was an article that was stating that whatever they use to detect, like, what what is around this, like, what the they can detect the composition, whether it’s, like, mostly water, vapor, mostly iron.
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This thing is giving off the indications that is an alloy that is only exists on Earth through industrial alloy making processes. Okay. That it’s not a natural metal.
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Okay.
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And there’s that’s what the what they’re getting is the signal that this thing that is hurling through space, this massive object that’s moving, by the way, from the same direction in space where the wow signal came.
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I don’t know what that is.
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The Wow signal is a they believe, intelligently generated signal that they picked up. I think it was in the seventies. Was it in the seventies?
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Ai should know this. I’m gonna lose my nerd card.
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No. No. It’s okay. It’s it’s a weird one. It’s a little obscure. So the I don’t know what the exact technique they were using to monitor radio waves in space Mhmm. But they got a signal. So here it is. The Wow signal is a powerful seventy two second narrow band radio signal detected on 08/15/1977 by the Big Ear Radio Telescope at Ohio State University, which initially suggested an extraterrestrial bryden, named for the wow written in printout by the astronomer Jerry, Meh.
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Amen? Meh. The signal had characteristics expected from a technological source, but follow-up efforts have failed to detect it again. The leading hypothesis that a natural natural astrophysical event such as a flare from a magnetar briefly illuminated a cold hydrogen cloud causing it to emit radio signal similar to a laser or it’s a laser.
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And then this I ai, that’s huge. Object is coming from that.
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From that area.
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Yeah. Look at that. They sent you a signal. And then now this thing is coming through there. So if you think, like, how fast this thing is going, if it came from, you know, the other side of the galaxy, it’s probably exactly how long it would take to get here.
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So it’s coming directly for Earth?
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No. It’s it’s coming near Earth.
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Right. So we’re not worried it’s gonna hit us.
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Sai don’t believe we’re worried that well, I’m gonna find out tomorrow. Avi Loeb, an astronomer from Harvard, is coming on. Amazing. And he’s gonna, enlighten us as to what what this thing is all about. But it’s sai lot it’s weird. Like, as it gets closer, it’s weirder and weirder.
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Like, they’ve never seen anything like
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this thing before. Possible then that another planet out in The U like, universes, like, isn’t made up of has alloy properties and it could have chipped off and it’s now hurtling through space?
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Yeah. You would have to ask, like, a metallurgist that question. That’s a good question. We they just know the only way it exists on Earth is through this industrial process. If it is that stuff. Yeah. Why do they think it’s that stuff? Do you remember that article? We looked it up, like, a couple days ago.
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It, look, it’s so fun to think it’s a spaceship, to throw so fun to think the Cylons are coming.
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Because they might be.
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Yeah. They might be.
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Do you think they’re coming to save us? Or
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I think they would have already stepped in if they were gonna do that. They would have stepped in yeah. Sure. There’s been, you know, they would’ve stepped in right after World War two. They’d be like, hey. Hey. Hey. What the fucking Dukes?
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Or do or do you think they’re just up up there going, you’re gonna have to save yourself, kids? Perhaps.
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Maybe. Perhaps it’s a process that all intelligent emerging life goes through. And then, you know, you have to kinda let it go through the process, like you have to let your kids fall down. In contrast to all node comets, including the interstellar meh 21 Borisov, the observed spectrum of the gas plume around 31 Atlas shows prominent nickel emission, but no evidence for iron.
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Other than 31 Atlas, this anomaly was only known to exist in industrially produced nickel alloys through the carbonyl chemical pathway, which refines nickel through the formation and decomposition of nickel tetracarbonyl tetracarbonyl. The authors of the new paper postulate that this carbonyl process is realized naturally near the nucleus of 31 Atlas.
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They argue that this in situ formation of this thing predicts that nickel should be strongly concentrated near the nucleus. So it’s ai the whole thing is some very weird metal. That’s the point. And it’s it’s also the there there it’s weird the way it’s moving. What are they saying about the way it’s moving?
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There’s something about Self
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correcting or something. I think they thought it had some emission. I don’t know. Looked like a jet, but I don’t think so.
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It seemed no. It did seem ai they were saying that it’s very far away.
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It’s very far away. Yeah.
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They’re human and
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So maybe it says ai coming back. They’re like, we have to go say we’re parents.
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01:55:51
You seem to get a telescope that actually took video of it?
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That’s what amazes me is that we have telescopes that can see that far.
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I can send it to you and Jamie. This guy has it on his, Twitter page. I but it’s, like, it’s very, low resolution, obviously, because it’s fucking millions of miles away. But, whatever it is is really weird. It’s really weird.
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You know, people ask me all the time if I believe in aliens, I think, just because of what I do for a living and the genre that I’m in. And and, you know
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wait to talk to you about, Elliott.
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What I always say you’re gonna be vastly disappointed that I know so little about them. But what I always say is I think it’s a line from a movie, where it would be an awful waste of space if it was just us.
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01:56:33
Yeah. That is a lot in the movie. I don’t remember what movie it was.
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It’s from the movie with Jodie Foster. Contact. Contact. Oh. When her dad says to her that it would be an awful waste of space.
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01:56:43
Yeah.
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Beautiful movie.
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It’s a great movie. Mhmm. Carl Sagan wrote that book. That’s it. Sai this is the thing. Like, what is that? What the fuck is this? Like, obviously, low resolution, obviously, moving through space, but, also, what the hell is that?
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Well, it seems to be moving pretty quickly. Yeah?
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01:57:05
Yeah. It looks like a spaceship.
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01:57:08
I mean, it also looks like a dust bunny.
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01:57:10
I was, showing, my friend Matt last night. We were having dinner, and I was showing him videos of praying mantises killing hummingbirds because he didn’t believe it.
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01:57:18
Stop.
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It’s like, no way.
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Well, they’re big. Praying mantises are can be quite big. Right?
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01:57:23
Not in comparison to hummingbirds. It’s crazy how strong they are. Like Stop.
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They literally kill hummingbirds.
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01:57:29
Hummingbirds right off feeders. So they sit sit by the hummingbird feeder motionless, and the hummingbird comes in to take a drink and just snatches them.
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What do they do with them?
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Eat them. Stop. It’s crazy. Praying mantises are
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01:57:42
Makes me really sad.
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Ruthless. I have, Well, they
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eat their own young. Right?
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They probably do. I mean, I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know if they do that, but I know that they like, they put a praying mantis in, in a box, and then they’ll drop a roach in. And the praying mantis just just snatches it up and just starts to eating the roach a lot.
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Yeah. But that doesn’t make me feel bad.
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But it does it to this bird.
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That makes me feel bad.
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But the thing is, like, why couldn’t that be an intelligent life form from another planet? Ai, and then come come here on 31 Atlas and land. I mean, that is a that’s that is a possibility.
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Well, that’s the thing. Right? Is that we spend so much time or, I guess, in our imagination, like, we’ve been conditioned to think that, you know, intelligent life looks like something Yeah. From these movies. So we all think intelligent life is, you know, these guys with big heads or they look like us or, you know, whatever we think.
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01:58:33
But they absolutely could literally be a flea.
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01:58:35
It could be a six foot tall mantis.
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01:58:37
It could be.
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01:58:38
Yeah. Yeah. Then we’d be in real trouble.
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01:58:40
Real trouble. It’s ai Yeah. Sure. One
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01:58:44
of those praying mantis is getting a a hummingbird.
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This is gonna make me really sad, you guys.
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01:58:48
I know. It makes me sad too. I love hummingbirds. Yes. I love that.
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01:58:52
Have you ever wanted to wear one of those hats with the hummingbird feeders on it?
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01:58:56
No. Did people do that? That’s so crazy.
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01:58:58
Like, they’ll put the little things and they just stay really silt.
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01:59:01
They’re beautiful little bird.
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They’re gorgeous.
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Weird little bird too. And the way they’re able to change direction and move.
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It’s amazing. I didn’t realize I our house where we live now, they stop all the time. So, like, they’ll sit on the branches and stuff, which is really rare rare to see.
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So this is praying mantises are so nasty.
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But look at it. It ai knows it’s there.
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01:59:21
Well, that ai.
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01:59:22
Oh meh god. He grabbed us by his beak.
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01:59:24
Oh, yeah. Reached out and just snagged them. The thing is they’re so strong for their size. I mean, that’s that is literally ai
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a
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person trying to take out a cow.
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01:59:32
Go down. There was one that one. The with the praying mantis and the With
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01:59:37
a scorpion? Oh, the praying mantis sana kill that scorpion. That scorpion doesn’t have a fucking chance. I don’t know if That’s what I’m guessing. I don’t Yeah. Look. He’s already on top
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of Ai?
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Yeah. He just mounted them.
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But then look. He’s avoiding the
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01:59:51
Yeah. He’s gonna figure it out.
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He’s also avoiding the stinger. Like, what is happening?
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01:59:54
What is happening? They’re probably both trying to figure out why they’re in there together.
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Oh ai god. Like, this is the shit of nightmares for me.
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Praying mantises are not they’re monsters. They’re see if you can find videos of praying mantises eating roaches. There’s like a whole mantis, page on Instagram where they put, like, a different bug in there with praying mantises.
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How do we know it’s not AI created though, guys?
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Because this has been around for years. Yeah. Yeah. Praying mantis is oh, look. They they fuck up giant lizards. They kill lizards. Like, the lizard tried to eat him at the beginning of it.
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Oh, ai god. If you watch
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the video, the actual video, the lizard the lizard tried to eat him. He’s like, not today, bitch. I’ll be eating you. Oh, ai. That poor lizard thought he was gonna eat the praying mantis, and the praying mantis is eating him. Like, we are so lucky that they’re little. We’re so lucky.
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We are so I hate it. Because if
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they were big and smart?
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No. And then there’s a bird. I don’t wanna see the bird.
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Are you chilling that bird? Oh ai god.
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One I found, which I hadn’t seen before. It’s it’s hanging upside down from a flower eating or
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eating bird. Oh my god.
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It’s like it’s a it’s a big bird too.
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That is wild. My god.
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They they are just monsters. I mean, that’s like alien from the movie Alien. That’s what it’s like.
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Oh my god.
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It’s just little.
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The ai entire mind has been blown.
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Right? Look at that. That’s what a praying mantis can do. Hang upside down while it’s eating a bird.
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And literally hanging on to the petals No. Of a flower.
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Like it’s nothing.
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Upside down.
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And with no strain at all. It’s not
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None whatsoever.
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It’s carrying a fucking bird. It’s, like, five times bigger
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than it’s ai a barn swallow.
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It’s crazy.
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Oh my god.
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The crazy thing is these stupid lizards that think they’re gonna eat them.
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Oh my god.
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I mean, it is such a bizarre creature.
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I don’t wanna see
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any of that poor
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That one’s the star. Beauty
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hunt. Oh, they do it all the time. They get hummingbirds. So he’s just
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A lot of these have no action, though, too. I’ve seen
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Oh my god.
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Trying to
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capture stuff. But these go back as long as YouTube does. Some of those are fifteen year old videos.
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That’s it’s Those are the ones I would try. Oh, but they get them so quickly. Why do they stop moving so quickly?
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They’re so fast.
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Because they’re so strong tears.
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One looks
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That one looks fake.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it now it’s created within four weeks, Sai start going, alright.
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Oh, that looks that looks like
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AI. Yeah.
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That’s AI. But the other ones are those cell phone ones are real. They’re just unbelievably strong.
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That’s crazy. I had no idea.
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And if there’s, like, a spaceship filled with those fuckers
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We’re screwed.
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They’re all smart. They’re way smarter than us. We’re done.
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I think I saw a three year old boy getting ready to take on a praying mantis too. I think he’s gonna lose in one of those videos. So future generations are not looking good right now.
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Yeah. If you walk up to a mantis, they’ll be like, what? So stand
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up. They will. And they’re
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high legs.
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Ai will.
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We’re just lucky they’re little. You
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know? Right? It’s terrifying. It’s absolutely I’m gonna go home and and tell my husband all about this, not my daughter.
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So that’ll have nightmares. To think about with this 31 Vatsal. If it’s if it’s filled with reptilians, then we got problems.
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Oh my god. I cannot laugh at children. Oh, no. Sai, I told you there was one. Oh, Jesus. Oh, god.
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He’s just he’s like, fuck you. He tried to eat the baby.
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He did.
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He tried to eat the baby.
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That’s how gangster pregnancy
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ai. It went after that baby. He was like, fuck you. I will eat your entire body
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The thing is crazy.
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Before someone comes to rescue you.
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We don’t think of them as being, like, vicious.
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No. I look at them and think that they’re super cool. Like, I I would have been that three year old kid if I’d ever seen one in our yard. I would have been like, hey, honey.
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A regular, like, green mantis. There there are some wild mantis out there.
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Oh, stop. There’s more?
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You look at that one.
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Kung fu mantis.
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Wow. Look at that one. Those are beautiful. What that what is that one called? Kung fu mantis? Kung fu. Yeah. What a beautiful looking insect. They’re just imagine a planet where the that’s the size of a horse.
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No. We’re fucked if that’s what’s on this this, copper thing that’s coming towards her.
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Got super lucky that the insect world is small.
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It’s true.
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Somehow or another, it worked out that way, where the insect world is small. Because if the insect world was as big as the mammal world, it would be a wash. It would be over.
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Ai, if they were the size of elephants? Well, if
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they’re the size of dogs, they’d they’d kill us all. That’s true. Look who that fucking that one praying mantis can do.
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It’s true.
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Look at that one. Perfect. Like a flower.
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That’s a praying meh. What is that thing?
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Yeah. That’s the that’s the one we were just looking at, this little ai.
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Yeah.
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And that’s a bigger one.
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Woah. Big ai mantis.
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Holy shit.
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That’s crazy.
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I don’t know. Maybe we have to listen to the video to hear what kind it is.
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What is it what is it gonna do? Like, where’s oh, its head’s the white part in the front.
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02:04:30
Mhmm. Yeah. That thing. Oh. That looks like a
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his arms folded up? Woah.
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Wait. Where is his arms
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folded up? His arms are folded right in front. Oh my goodness. Got it. Oh my goodness.
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Dog. He just oh my god. He just bit his head off.
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Oh, yeah. Woah.
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Woah. Maybe they just mated.
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Who knows? Jeez. That’s what the females do after mating.
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They do. They just eat them.
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Yep. Yeah. They fuck up the men. Yeah. Well, that’s That’s how you stay small. Nature’s like, you’re too fucking gangster. We have to keep it little.
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We have
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to keep it. It’s like chihuahuas. And honey badgers.
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And that and that’s all
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I need to do. Was the size of a wolf. We’d have a
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real problem. We’d
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have a
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real problem. Real problem.
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Make them little so that they’re so gangster. They just you
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never could take over the whole forest. Honey badgers just ai
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I can imagine if, like, a honey badger was the size of a horse. They just take over entire swaths of land. They probably were things like that.
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You know? There probably were back in the day. And now we have chickens left.
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Do you have to keep up on a certain amount of sci fi because of playing Starbuck? Do you feel ai an obligation to your fans to, like, hold on to a certain amount of sci fi information?
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Yes and no. I I feel, that I have to maintain and hold on to a respect for the genre, and the knowledge and that I will never have. That there are people that can come up to me and tell me the entire history of Star Wars. And I I before I was in Star Wars, I considered myself a Star Wars fan.
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And then I got in Star Wars, and I was like, oh, I don’t know shit about anything.
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It’s a big ass universe now. It is. Especially now. Keeping up on Mandalorian stuff, it’s like
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No. You can’t keep up on anything. So I just I always just say, I would love to know more about that.
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Can you please That’s good.
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Can you please enlighten me? Because I don’t know. I really don’t know. And, like, these you know, I have found that the sci fi community, especially, like, one of my favorite things is going to conventions because I love I just I love meeting people and, like, new people and meeting the people that are fans of the work, and we always have things in common.
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And and I would I would be so bold as to to say that sci fi fans are some of the smartest people I’ve ever met.
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I’m sure there are a lot of nerds.
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They’re very, very, very smart. And and, I I just I can I cannot compete with that? I can I can tell you the lines that I can’t forget? There are ai, like, from Battlestar Galactica. We’ve got violent decompressions irradiating from the port ai pod. I thought I was gonna be fired because I couldn’t say it.
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I had to write it down. I had to tape it to my viper. I was like, oh my god. They’re gonna find out. I’m so oh my god.
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Like, I’m I Ai shouldn’t be here. This is crazy. I’m an imposter. And then That’s ai I’m find now I can’t forget it. I had a line from Mandalorian that I couldn’t remember for the life of me, and so I kept memorizing it with my husband, and he was throwing tennis balls at my face.
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So we were Ai was catching tennis balls as I was memorizing it because God.
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Was that hard?
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It was very hard, but it was, ai king Gorion Shah is captain a cumulus class corsair of violent snub fighters.
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Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Oh my god.
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02:07:54
Yeah. It was just ai Somebody
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hates you in the writer’s room.
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It’s possible. You know, you never know.
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That seems so mean to make someone try to say that. You say it. Fucking you say it first.
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It’s true. There are times Sai have I have since, like, Ron Moore was on my podcast, and I told him that, like, for twenty five years, I have not been able to forget this fucking violent decompression line. And he was like, I’m so sorry.
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That’s hilarious. That’s very funny.
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Because he’s aware. Like, he’s aware that, you know, he’s making actors say shit that she you should never have to say in real life. Like you know? And then furthermore, you have to try and decipher it. You know? Like, one of my jobs is to take something I don’t understand and then say it with authority Right. As if I do understand it.
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So I have to dissect it and learn what certain things mean. And if I don’t understand it, I have to give it context in something that I do understand in order to, like, sound like I am not an idiot
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02:08:45
Right.
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02:08:45
Which sai times is scarred. So, you know, it’s it’s it’s god, the the jargon is I learned the tennis ball technique with my husband, and that’s a great technique.
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That sounds like a good technique. Because you remember ai you’re catching tennis balls, then you really remember it. Yeah. That that is a crazy sense to try to remember.
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02:09:02
Yeah. It was not easy. This is
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02:09:04
you’re a part of something that that people in in sci fi that I think is very interesting. Sci fi is, I think the genre of action that has the most badass women.
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02:09:18
100%. Yeah. At least it did.
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It did
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for a long time.
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I think the OG is obviously Sigourney Weaver.
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100%. That
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Ai mean, that is ai an aside. No one is ai, oh, it’s a strong female lead. That is an aside to an insane movie and an amazing performance. Like, that last scene when she kills that thing
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Yes.
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Oh.
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Yeah. And
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that scene ai seventy nine.
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02:09:48
Yes. Amazing. That character, when I saw that movie Yeah. I was like, I I wanna be her. Right. Because up till then, I only wanted to be Bruce Willis. I wanted to, like, save the Nakadomi Building. You know? Like, I wanted these I loved action movies with my dad. And and when he started realizing that I had this affinity toward these movies, he started showing me movies with strong female leads.
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And Sigourney was the one where I saw that performance, and and she was everything. She was strong. She was capable. She was smart. She was feminine. She was funny.
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She was so she was everything.
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And And it was a perfect movie.
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It was a perfect movie. It was a perfect movie. Number two number two, possibly better even.
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Yeah. This is a scene which blows it out. I disagree.
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You do?
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02:10:38
Yes. Because number two, the aliens are too kill easy to kill. Mhmm. This motherfucker’s so hard to kill.
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So hard
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to kill. And the second one, they’re just gunning them down. Yeah. It’s a different thing. It’s a different thing. Look, they’re both great movies. I really loved Aliens. But the thing about Alien, the first one, was Look at that shot. That thing was re amazing movie.
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I mean It’s the way that I mean, just the I mean, it’s just such an amazing shot.
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02:11:03
It’s a it’s a perfect movie.
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The framing of that is
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There was never one moment in that movie where you saw what was coming next.
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No. Because we hadn’t seen anything like it.
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Nothing. You know? Chestburster scene. I remember being
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in the movie theater the utter fucking exhaustion on her face.
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02:11:20
Crazy. Yeah. The chestburster scene was like, what the fuck? What? I remember being in the movie theater. I had no idea that was gonna happen.
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There was
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no Internet back then. Yeah. Watch them ai this movie is nuts. And that little thing was running around on the ground and his chest was burst open.
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Sai gross.
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Everyone’s screaming. There’s blood everywhere. It was wild.
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This is one of it, probably, in my opinion, one of the best movies of all time.
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Oh, I agree. 100%. Mhmm. And, again, the fact that it was a strong female lead was just vatsal tiny little part of the movie. It was just shah was so good. You didn’t even think, oh, it’s a strong female lead. You’re ai,
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well, no, because they didn’t
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is a bad woman.
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Tell you this is a strong female lead.
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No. Exactly.
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They just created a phenomenal character and made her a woman.
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Exactly. And she just played the part perfectly. Yeah. This ai Oh,
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02:12:16
this scene
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this scene. Were nuts. It was so nuts because you didn’t know what is happening. I know. People have to realize, like, before movies were spoiled, there was no spoiler alerts back then. You you didn’t get to watch clips.
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But even just the way it shah, the frenetic energy of the camera Yeah. Matching the frenetic energy of his body.
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02:12:37
Yeah. This is such a crazy scene.
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It’s crazy.
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02:12:45
Ah. Bro. Again, 1979, this is happening. I mean, the special effects back then were nuts. To have something like Ai mean, this is probably the greatest believable monster special effects in any movie up to this point. I mean, by far. That was a little bullshit. That one was ai it was on wheels. That was a little silly.
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02:13:10
It’s on a piece of string someone’s pulling it? Yeah.
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02:13:12
It moved a little weird. But, you know, it’s an alien.
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02:13:14
You were still scared of shit though.
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I’m still scared. But then when you see the actual alien itself, you’re like, what the hell is that? You never saw anything like that before. Not only was it completely unique in its design, it was horrific and it it it looked like an insect Mhmm. Like like an insect and a reptile at the same time.
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02:13:35
It sci fi was a place because I so I was a huge fan of strong women and and genre work, and and I found myself gravitating toward sci fi because that’s where women existed that I identified with and I saw myself. Like, you know, I didn’t see myself as, like, this, you know well, the characters I played when I moved to California Right.
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They didn’t it didn’t feel like meh, you know? And, Ai really found sort of my calling, I guess, when I started watching those women. And and I loved Sarah Michelle Gellar, and I I loved Lucy Lawless, and I loved Linda Hamilton and, Carrie Fisher and, like, a lot of these women that were, just really, really great characters.
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02:14:26
And they were written as great characters. And Starbuck was and if you talk to Ron Moore about it, the reason why he made Starbuck and Boomer women, he didn’t think about it. He just said, okay. We’ve got these are the characters from the original. These are the characters we’re gonna put in my version. Women are in the military.
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Women do exist in combat roles now, and we are making this for, you know, the early aughts. We have to be representative of what the military looks like. We need to make a couple of these characters fit women. And he just said this one and this one. He didn’t give it any thought. You know?
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And so I think part of the reason why they were so great the characters are so great was that they were just great characters.
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Right.
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The the writing was so great. There was never a time where they were ai, she’s the best female pilot around.
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02:15:22
Right.
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02:15:23
You know, it was just Like
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Linda Hamilton in Terminator. It’s ai, she’s just a great it’s just a great character.
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Character, and with a motivation that we all can identify with. So it’s it’s and and that’s why she was such a great character, and and, you know, she opened so many doors for me. And and because then people started to believe that I was tough.
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02:15:44
And how many girls started doing chin ups after they sai them to Hamilton? Oh
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02:15:47
my god.
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02:15:47
In the tournament?
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02:15:49
Please. And it’s chin ups are fucking hard.
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02:15:52
I know. She’s jacked.
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She’s jacked. Ai did
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so fit for them maybe.
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02:15:55
Ai did a Spartan race with, my husband because my on my podcast channel, I was you know, during COVID and then, like, before COVID, we were I was creating content of sort of ai Katie did sort of stuff. Like Uh-huh. I’d love to do this. Let’s film it and see what it’s like. So we signed up for Spartan Race and then recorded the whole thing.
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02:16:12
And and my husband not only ran his race, but then ran my race too, like, recording the whole thing. That’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done, like, getting in shape for that thing. I got in shape for six months before. That was hard. Oh, yeah.
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02:16:24
And getting to a point where I actually could do chin ups and then also pull ups too. I was like, wow. I’m strong. Like, I felt so strong at one point. So I get to the actual race, and I’ve been training with such heavy shit that I got to the medicine ball where you have to pick it up, carry it, and throw it, and then pick it up and carry it and throw it.
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02:16:42
And it was so light for meh, and I was prepared for it to be, like, so heavy. I got to it, and I picked it up. And then, like, I threw it, and it kept going. And I had to slow down because I had to go get the ball and bring it back to where it was supposed to be. I’d gotten almost too strong.
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02:16:56
Oh, that’s hilarious.
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It was really awesome. It was so fun.
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It’s nice to know that you can get strong, though. That, like, that feeling is a nice feeling. I wish everybody felt that. Yeah. Just get get physically better. You’ll feel better.
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02:17:08
But I had fun doing it. You know what I mean? And I also set myself a goal. I think that’s really important too. Like, for some people that it’s daunting in setting a goal, and and the goal doesn’t need to be winning. The goal just needs to be finishing.
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02:17:22
Why do you think it is that, like, sci fi in particular embraced these, like, gangster women characters?
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02:17:31
So my opinion on this
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02:17:33
Yeah.
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Is that I feel like, because science fiction doesn’t exist, because they’re you’re existing in these make believe worlds
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02:17:41
Right.
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02:17:42
That, strong women were not intimidating, in sci fi because we could be dismissed as not. But that wouldn’t happen in real life.
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02:17:51
Interesting.
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02:17:52
So that’s Interesting. So men could then watch these Right.
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And not be threatened.
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02:17:57
Mhmm. That’s my opinion.
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I bet Ai bet you’re right. I bet that’s the that’s the only thing that makes sense now that I’m thinking about it.
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02:18:04
Yeah. I think so.
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Because, like, there’s no female John Wick.
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02:18:10
No. No? No. Well, there is that one. Ballerina?
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02:18:13
No. That one the Emily one. The one that Kevin James was in? It’s a crazy movie about this, young girl who just kills all these bad guys. Like I
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have no idea.
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02:18:25
It’s kind of like tongue in speak. Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s hyper violent. It’s crazy. That’s what it’s called. Right? Emily? I think there’s two of them. There was one where this they they killed her dad, and they they killed her family, and so she killed everybody.
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02:18:41
And then she came and then the second one, she came back and killed more people. It’s like a young, cute girl who just knows how to kill everybody.
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02:18:50
I mean, look. It’s kind of fun. It’s fun. It’s fun.
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It’s a funny movie.
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02:18:53
When I went through
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02:18:55
What is it, Jamie?
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Not Meghan.
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02:18:58
Whatever Kevin James was in. It was about a young girl who kills everybody.
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02:19:01
Kevin James?
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02:19:02
Yeah. Kevin James was a bad guy. He was, he played a white supremacist.
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The movie’s called Becky.
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02:19:08
Becky. That’s
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Becky.
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02:19:09
Becky. Yeah. Isn’t there there was a there was a second one, though. Right?
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Well, there’s a movie called Emily, and there’s a
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02:19:15
No. What was the
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Kevin James.
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02:19:16
No. It is Becky. You’re right. But there was a movie before Becky, I believe.
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02:19:20
72% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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02:19:22
Oh, good. Fun. The ram of Becky also came out.
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02:19:25
That’s right.
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02:19:26
I just saw ballerina.
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02:19:26
That’s it.
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02:19:27
That’s ai sai was really good.
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02:19:28
First one. Right?
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No. This is the second one.
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02:19:30
That’s the second one.
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This is the first one.
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02:19:32
I thought there was a prelude to either way. Yeah. Fun ass movie.
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02:19:37
Oh, Joel McHale’s in it.
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02:19:38
Yeah. Yeah. He’s great. Fun. It’s a fun ass movie. But it’s ai, that’s the female John Wick.
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02:19:43
It’s ai girl. Everybody’s trying to create these, like, strong female characters now, and and I think that one of the biggest problems with a lot of them is that they’re they’re not focusing on the character to begin with, like we talked about. Like, write a strong character
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02:20:00
Right.
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And then just make her a woman.
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02:20:02
Right.
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You know? Like
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Don’t write a strong character that you have to have a woman. Right. Right.
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02:20:06
Don’t I think that’s part of it, because they’re all trying to create there’s so many of them now. Right? And I love to see them, and I love to give them chances. But a lot of times, the the I I wanna also see somebody that’s believable in the role as well. Right? Like, one of the funnest the things that I love to do is transform my body depending on what character I’m playing, within reason.
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02:20:32
There’s only so much I can do or that I wanna do. But, you know, for my shah, Another Life, I my character wakes up from cryo. I wanted her to look, like, dehydrated and sinewy and, like, really, really, really lean, like, almost unhealthy lean. And I got myself down to such a low body fat.
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02:20:50
It was crazy. It was
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like ai to get down like that?
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02:20:54
$14.14 50 a day. Fifteen fifteen fifty a day, something around that that time, when I was cutting. But I packed on muscle and then cut, like, really hard for, like, three weeks before. And I was eating a lot of protein, and I got myself so low that my menstruation stopped. And I was like, oh, this is too low.
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This is really low.
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That happens with a lot of
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02:21:23
narrow runners. Yeah. It was quite low. But I I got to where I wanted to be. I looked the way I wanted to look, and then I naturally put on, you know, a healthy amount of weight as the series went on, which is what I wanted to do anyway. Right. But so I wanna see not someone do something detrimental to their health necessarily, but I I do wanna I wanna see the muscle.
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02:21:43
I wanna see the capability in a character that’s kicking ass. You know? Right.
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02:21:46
You want it to be believable. Yeah. Right.
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02:21:49
Yeah.
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02:21:50
Like, when they all had gotten insane shape for that movie 300.
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02:21:56
Oh ai god. It’s like that would be, like, the best job in the world for me. If they’re ai, we’re gonna give you tons of time and tons of money to just get in the best shape of your ai.
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02:22:07
Yeah. Here’s some trainers. We got, like, six months.
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02:22:10
Let’s do it.
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02:22:10
There was a lot of people that thought that they used AI for that. They used some AI for sure because that was a crazy movie.
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For 300? Yeah. Well, they used to
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02:22:18
300 had a lot of AI because it was I don’t know.
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Yeah. I don’t know.
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Excuse me. I should say not AI. I should say CGI.
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02:22:24
It had CGI for sure.
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02:22:25
That’s what I should say. Yeah. Because obviously, the giant Persian king was not really that big. There’s there’s a lot of, like, fantasy elements of that where Right. But I think they really did get an insane shape. And a lot of people, like, dismissed that and said that’s CGI.
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02:22:41
But there’s videos of those guys working out, like, getting ready. Yeah. Look at these guys just going crazy, getting ready to film this movie. I mean, they trained like animals.
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02:22:50
Mhmm.
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02:22:54
So you could see
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the whole
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figure out. So they really did just develop incredible bodies, which the nutty thing is anybody can do. You just you just have to do it. Do what they did. You’ll get a lot better.
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02:23:06
It’s a lot of hard work, though. It’s not that easy. Yes. It it on paper is easy, but, like, being a mom of two kids, though
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Oh, yeah.
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02:23:14
Like, it’s and having a job, I in the last two years, I I it I’m hard pressed to find time to work out, and I wake up at 05:00 in the morning. So I’m awake before my my kids. And, you know, I choose during that time to, you know, meditate, write my journal, breathe, take time to myself, and then they wake up.
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I haven’t quite figured out how to fit in my workouts.
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02:23:39
Well, that’s an obligation that’s very different. Right? You’re a mother, you know, and that you’re doing the absolute right thing. You’re dedicating all your time to being a mom when you’re there. Like, that’s just how it is. But for, you know, for the amount of hours that are that are in a day, it would be nice if you could just, get a little time to yourself.
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02:24:00
As they get older, you’ll have more time to yourself Yeah. And then you’ll be able to get back on track. But Yeah. For people that have the time and don’t do it, that’s the wasted potential of your resources. Like, you don’t have to do a lot.
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02:24:15
Just do some body squats and do some push ups and
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02:24:18
And you don’t need a lot of equipment either. I think that’s the thing. I think that we’ve made physical fitness in some way because it’s an industry. I think we’ve made it daunting for a lot of people. And, you know, I think that that if you just focus on the things, the tried and true, like, you can do that stuff in your house without weights or with things that are heavy in your house.
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You know, you can actually make progress.
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02:24:40
Sure. Sure. And if you don’t know anybody to teach you how to do stuff, all you have to do is go on YouTube. Just go on YouTube and look up beginner bodyweight workout. I’m sure there’s a bunch of them out there. Yeah. And you can do stuff with no physical fitness equipment.
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02:24:52
Just do push ups and sit ups and bodyweight squats, and you can get a great workout in that way.
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02:24:56
It’s true.
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And nobody has to watch you. You don’t have to feel Yeah. Self conscious. Just you and your phone.
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Shah. You can go to my YouTube channel because during COVID, I was doing my workouts. And I said to my husband, I was like, might as well record this shit and put it out there. So it yeah. And all of them are fun and interesting and easy, and people still come up to me and they’re like, I lost you know, a man came up to me at a convention the other day, said he lost over 80 pounds doing the workouts that I put, and signed up for a Spartan rate Spartan race.
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And I was like, that’s awesome. I love that. That’s so cool.
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That’s very cool. See, that’s a great thing. They’re they’re your fans. They see you working. I’m like, oh my god. I’m gonna work out with her. Yeah. And everybody works out together. Great. Yeah. Sai, that’s the great use of the Internet. Yes. The Internet has a lot of great uses.
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You can learn anything on the Internet.
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You can learn anything. You could find out stuff, how to how to make things and fix things and meh information about something you never thought you were interested in. Like, ai. You never thought that praying mantises were so scary.
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And now I know. But you know what I’m doing?
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02:25:55
What?
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I’m now already in my head trying to write a children’s book about praying mantis.
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02:26:00
Oh, you are?
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I am. It’s It’s like, that’s my ADHD. Like, I’m already
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once you saw that?
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Once I did.
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Oh, that’s hilarious.
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Yeah. Well, I
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want a copy of that book.
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Probably be cool. It’s gonna be a pop up book. So every time you move it, the praying mantis is ai
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They’re we just, for some reason, missed them. And the when we’re describing the most ruthless animals on Earth, we missed the praying mantis because they might be the gangster of gangsters.
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I think they might be. Do they ever attack together? Do they work in coordination?
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That’s a good question. If they did, they’d be unstoppable.
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Because that would be
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That’s Starship Troopers.
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That would be, like, if a bunch of women, like, cycled their periods. They could we could take over the world.
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Right. Especially with those headsets. Get those Google headsets.
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Really because then we just talk to each other. Like, shah would be that would be on ai. Like, it would be on fire. Yeah. We’d, like, you know, take over some crazy shit.
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For sure.
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That would be awesome. That’d be awesome.
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Well, maybe that’s sai good use of technology. I know you’re anti AI. Maybe for that.
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I am anti AI because I am in self preservation mode here.
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02:27:02
I get it.
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I am desperate to be ai, I am I matter, damn it. And not just to my family. Right. You know?
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I know. I think we’re all gonna be like that soon.
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I don’t know. I don’t think so. I think it’ll we’ll we’ll always find a place. You just have to be malleable, and you have to figure out where to, you know, I don’t know, adjust.
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Yes. Pivot. Yeah. There’s gonna be some pivoting for sure.
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A lot of pivoting.
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02:27:34
How often do you do your podcast?
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So my podcast is once a speak, every Tuesday.
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02:27:39
What’s it called?
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It’s called the Sackhoff Show. Just to It was called blah blah blah, but people couldn’t find it.
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Oh, that’s funny.
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So we just changed it to the Sackhoff Show. And, we’re actually, like I said, doing, in the new year, a Vatsal Circle Act, a rewatch as well because I’ve like I said, I’ve never seen it. So I’m curious to
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hear that. Crazy you’ve never seen it. The Sackhoff shah sounds funny too. It’s ai it’s your last name, but it’s also it’s like it’s like a fun name for a show.
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Well, we’ll see. I mean good rhyme. It is fun. I had a lot of fun. I’m just trying to be, like, you know, a tenth as good at it as you are, Joe.
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Oh, sweet.
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Well, you’re very good at this. There’s a reason why you’re the best at it. You’ve been doing it a long ai, and, you know, you worked your ass off.
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Well, I’ll just tell you what I did. I just talked to people that I’m interested in. That’s it. That’s all you have to do.
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I do that. It’s really hard to to, find the right audience in an oversaturated market.
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Yeah.
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But it’s happening.
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It is oversaturated.
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It is.
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But it doesn’t mean it’s inaccessible. If you’re remarkable, you you could pop through. And ai, maybe it just takes coming on here, and then people hear about it and go watch it.
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It. Is that what ai like? Who’s Katie Sackham? She’s that chick from Battle of Surgolactica?
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02:28:56
But you you seem like you’d be an awesome podcaster. So
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I have fun. I love talking to people, and and I it literally helped me figure out that I was ADHD because I couldn’t Ai couldn’t not talk on top of people. I was like, I listened Ai listened. I did. My first interview was Bryce Dallas Howard. God love her.
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And I listened to it back in the car with my husband, and I was like, oh ai god. I don’t stop talking.
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Do you wear headsets?
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I do.
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You do. I do. That helps a lot because you hear the talk the overtalking, which we all tend to do sometimes accidentally because sometimes you don’t know when to come in and, but the it’s just it’s a learned skill. It’s a learned skill like everything else. Mhmm. It’s like everything else. Mhmm. And you you have to learn different people, learn the dance of different people.
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Some people have just a different thing. And always, in my mind, my number one goal is to try to make the get the most out of them. Like, get them to, like, have them the most fun, the most Yeah. Get the questions that stir their interest the most. Like, something I wanna know who you arya.
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Like, for real for real.
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Yeah.
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Like, I wanna, like, help you be the best version of you that you can when you’re doing it.
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That’s sort of my thing as well. Like, I wanted to you know, one of the things that came out of COVID for me was that and I don’t know about you, but I had weekly conversations with girlfriends I hadn’t talked to in years.
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Mhmm. And
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we would, ai, every Tuesday at 04:00, we’d have a drink and connect again. And the conversations were wonderful because we had the time to have them again. And
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Right.
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And then I started going back to conventions. And in the Green room, I was having these wonderful conversations with people, and I was like, god. I wish I could record these because they’re really authentic. And, you’re getting to see people in a very different light, and they’re really opening up because it’s not like a gotcha podcast.
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Like, you know, if you wanna cut something out, you can cut something out. Like, I’m not here to, like, ruin your career. You know? Right. And the conversations are really, interesting. And people are talking about things that they’ve never spoken about, and it’s just really fun. So I’ve really enjoyed it.
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Well, don’t you think, like, you’re learning in the process as well? Isn’t that, like, one of the more fun parts of it? The more you get to talk to interesting people, the more you learn, the more you understand how other people think and how they feel about stuff.
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Yeah. And it inspires the shit out of me.
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Yeah. I mean
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You know, like, if I have, like, a month where I’m not hustling and someone comes on the podcast sana they’re like, I got six things in production. I’m doing this. I wrote an album. I got a book coming out. Man, I got six kids. I’m like, fuck. Ai work harder.
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02:31:43
Bad though, isn’t there?
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Oh, of course there is. Of course there is. And I think that I’ve found the the right balance. I have the right partner that’s, like, super supportive, and we’re a real good team. And and, yeah, it’s just it’s I’ve got I think I’ve got the right saloni. But there’s always gonna be hustle in me.
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That’s just
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Of course. You seem like you’re well balanced, though. That’s it’s a good thing to say.
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I try. You should ask my husband.
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I’ll be
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like, that bitch is crazy. What?
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I’m just gonna go on my instincts. I don’t wanna hear any contrary data. Well, thank you very much for being here. This was a lot of fun.
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I really enjoyed it. I was
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a huge fan of you on the show.
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So Thank you.
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02:32:17
Cool to meet you.
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Well, more things to come. I promise. I’ve got some some really cool jobs in the in the can that are Cool. Gonna be Well,
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let’s do it
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again. Kicking ass again.
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Sometime. I’d love to have you in here again.
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I would
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love that.
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You’ll have to come on my podcast.
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I’ll do it. I’ll do it. Bye, everybody.
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Bye ai.