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Taylor Kitsch is an award-winning actor best known for his roles in films such as “X-Men Origins: Wolverine” and “Lone Survivor,” as well as television shows including “Waco,” “Painkiller,” “American Primeval,” and “The Terminal List.” His new series, “The Terminal List: Dark Wolf,” a prequel to “The Terminal List,” is streaming exclusively on Amazon Prime Video. In addition to his busy acting career, Taylor is an accomplished wildlife photographer and philanthropist. He is launching Howlers Ridge Fund (HRF), a nonprofit serving veterans, people in recovery, and those facing trauma, grief, and life’s hardest moments through nature-based retreats, educational programs, and grants to aligned nonprofits.
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe
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Rogan experience.
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Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. No? 85? Drop some headphones on
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the truck. Damn.
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Yeah. You have to well, sai, if you you ever gonna shoot something at 45, you really wanna be comfortable at twice that.
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Okay.
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So I’ll shoot 90. I’ll shoot a 100 yards. Yeah. Yeah. Because that way, when you get into 40, it seems normal. Right.
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Seems easy. Easy day.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s all just about, like, effective distance.
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A shot at 85?
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No.
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Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. That’s far.
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You might take a follow-up shah. Like, you know, the animal’s already gonna go down. Yeah. You can if you can, you should always get a second shot on them.
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Yeah.
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So I’ll take a second shot at eighty five, but I would have
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Have you had one and and it just fucking ran just gone? Oh, yeah. Like, 200, 300 yards? What do
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you mean?
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Like, if you shoot it and you know how hit it? Yeah. Hit it and it just goes into the bush and you gotta track it, find it.
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Yeah. You can track them though.
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Yeah. Just leaking
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all over the place. Yeah. Blood trails. Yeah. Especially if you use a large mechanical broadhead.
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So I’ve shot one deer in my life, and, it was after Saloni, and I was on Littrell. After Lone Ai. Yeah. And I was, with Littrell and a couple other seals on his ranch. And, you know, you’re surrounded by seals, so it’s like he’s like, let’s get you one. I’m like, yeah. Let’s go. And, so we’re on the ranch. Have you been there? No. Oh, it’s great.
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And, I Sai don’t know how many acres, but he had used to have, like, giraffes on the ranch and shit. It was crazy. You would literally just be out there, and there’s a couple giraffes. And, I think they’re they’ve they’re gone now. But we pull into this, like, opening, and he’s like, there’s gonna be some deer on the right. Lo and behold, couple deer. He’s like, okay. Take that one.
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Pull out the m four. We’re pretty far, but not crazy. And I’m nervous, man. Ai, of of course, I’ve trained with the m four and and for loan and all this stuff, but I’ve never, like, shot shot. And so I hit it, and he’s ai, fucking great shot. Let’s let’s roll up. Roll up, no deer. And you can hear it though.
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And it’s ai, ai losing his fucking mark. Oh, no. And I’m like, oh, fuck. And so the other seal, he’s like, let’s go. So we walk and walk and walk and finally get around this corner, and we have to put him down with a pistol.
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And I was like
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Why’d you have to put him down with a pistol?
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Just because we walked right up on it,
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and it was just ai.
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Yeah. And so I was just like, okay. This is part of it. Yeah. And then we, you know, ate it and all that ai of stuff, but it was,
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That’s the good part.
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Yeah. It really is.
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Yeah.
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But that was my one experience. But I did I did go, with my bro loves hunting. And, we went out in Montana, and there’s on a on a friend’s ranch in into the backcountry, and he was Beau. And I love tracking animals for photography. So it’s the same thing, watching the wind, getting up fucking before light hits, just getting deep. You’re way up there too.
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Mhmm.
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Calling, all that kind of stuff. And, it’s just so fun. And once you get in tight, your adrenaline’s just buzzing. And we had eyes on this, like, big boy. And, so then I’m doing the he’s, like, working his way up the mountain, up this, pass. And I’m doing the antlers against the tree and then the antlers and getting it angry, getting it worked up, and it starts bugling even more.
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And you’re, ai, I’m not even taking the shot. And I’m, like, this is fucking legit. And he,
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like, he pulls his fucking mask down, and he’s, like, getting into it. I see
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him, like, army crawling up there. Missed. But, we had a blast. It’s more of, like, a bonding experience, man, than anything for us. But
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It’s a very intense experience, especially It really is. Because they they ram. And Truly. The sound, like, gives you goosebumps.
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It does. Especially when you’re close to them. Yeah. And it just goes through your body. Mhmm. It shakes you.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s nothing like elk. I know. Ai know. It’s really fun. Yeah. But it takes a lot of work. It is. You earn it. Yeah.
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It’s a different hunt. Right? They just rifle. It’s just ai up there in at least in that arya, it’s ai sometimes your your hunt’s under an hour.
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Mhmm.
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You know? With Beau, you’re in one. Yeah. You’re this is days possibly. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Especially if you wanna get within 50. Yeah. And then That’s the magic. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
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Throwing up the grass, checking it all the time. Mhmm. Fuck. It’s so fun.
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You live in Montana now?
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I do. Yeah.
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How long you been out there?
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Five just over five years now. That’s awesome.
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What made you choose that?
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Man, flying into Austin, I was here sixteen plus years. So it’s just memory fucking lane. It’s crazy. Crazy. This is where it all started, man.
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Really?
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Yeah. Like, Friday Night Lights. We’re ai school for the deaf just down the street. Land in the airport, Dylan Field was just across the airport. So so many memories of Pete and I. We’re staying at the Four Seasons shooting the pilot, tyler to box here at Richard Lord’s. If you don’t know this guy, he’s fucking amazing.
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Richard Lord?
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Yeah. Richard Lord. There’s a dock on him, actually. He’s up. I don’t even know if he’s still around. He was pretty old when when, he taught me how to box. But, wicked dude. Just meh ed out. He was probably in his mid sixties, so he’d be up there now. But, yeah, Pete literally was like before we hit camera, it was like, hey.
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You wanna go box? And I was like, alright. Fucking. And I loved it. I loved it. And I still You said Speak?
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You mean Peter Berg? Pete Berg. Yeah. He loves boxing. Yeah. He has his own gym Of course. LA. Yeah.
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Of course. I do not spar with him anymore. He’s it’s Dirty Pete is his fucking boxing name.
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I bet you he didn’t fucking tell you that, did he? Why is it Dirty Pete?
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Because he’s earned that, man. He’s, so, you know, you’ll do body shots only or stuff like that and spar. Keep each other honest.
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Right.
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But, fuck, you get them once, it’s there’s no rules. There’s no rules. And it’s
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like you’re on camera in,
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like, a week or something ai that. Yeah. Sana then you, like, take it
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and you’re kinda shocked at first.
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It just goes from, like, two to 11 so quick.
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That’s funny.
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But, yeah, I know it’s the best workout.
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We have a gym connected here. So last time we were here No way here? Yeah. It’s right next to our we have a gym.
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Shah smart.
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So we worked out together and cold plunged the whole deal.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He gets after it.
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He does. He does. He pushes. I mean, even when we shot Meh Prime Evil, he was, you his little garage setup, man. Cold plunge, steam ram. Like, it’s he’s gotta have it. Yeah. He’s gotta have it for that brain of his. Yeah.
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Yeah. Meh Ai Evil was fucking awesome, dude.
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Thanks, man.
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That show’s so good. I started white watching it with my wife, but she’s like, nope. Gotta go.
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Oh my. Oh, man.
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She can’t handle It’s a ai. These get intense. That’s a fucking intent. But also probably super accurate.
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Yes.
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Like, one of the most accurate representations of what life was probably ai in the West back then.
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Yep. Yep. I learned so much on that, man. I mean, living in Montana, I got to, this cowgirl friend of mine who I met at that ranch, had been working with this shaman just outside of Livingston. And I was telling her I’m playing a guy that kinda raised by Shoshone and all this and, like, that was kinda where I hung my hat of, like, if this guy lost his family at six or seven and then adopted or sold to the Shoshone, this is who he is.
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He’s more Shoshone than he is white. So I arya working with this shaman, which was incredible, and then, went down to the Shoshone Reservation, Wind River, worked with the elders there. It’s tough, meh, because obviously going there, you’re like and they knew I was coming. But it’s like you’re talking to these elders, and it’s like we meet five minutes in.
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And I’m like, so what do you what do you guys do when you bury your wife? Mhmm. And you’re asking these heavy, heavy questions.
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Cultural questions.
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Yes. Yeah. That is true meaning behind it all. So she took a long beat, and she’s like, I’ll get back to you on that. I’ll get back to you on that. And then I went into this other room at the school there, and this other elderly woman comes in a wheelchair. And she sits there, and she’s like, what do you wanna know? And so we just sat there for hours, and she was incredibly transparent and just really open.
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And I would take all this and go to Pete and be ai, listen. If we’re gonna we gotta honor these guys, so let’s do it right. And he was all ears. And, the Shoshone was very tough to learn.
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When you say working with a shaman, like, what did what did you do? Yeah.
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So we’ll do, like, two hour sweats. Like a sweat lodge?
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Yep. Yeah. How do they have that set up? Like a fire in the middle of it or something?
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Yeah. So it’s, fire is always burning, before you start the sweat, and then he’ll grab river rocks from Yellowstone, River. And then the ai going, and he’ll bring these rocks that are in the fire into the middle of the sweat lodge. And, there’s four doors to this one. And, you’ll tyler you’ll fast the day before, and, you’ll you’ll put the river rocks in the middle, and they’re smoking hot. Right?
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And then he brings river water from a spring or whatever. And then you have you fast, and then you, have your intention ties. So you would sit down with them for an hour or two and talk about what you want out of this. Sometimes it’s like, do I wanna have a kid? Or a buddy of mine was using heroin for something, so I would bring him and have a sweat and just give him my energy in this sweat to help him.
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Or my dad passed or something or some it can be light too. It doesn’t have to be so heavy. Mhmm. But he’s been amazing. Like, before like, I start a movie in a couple weeks, and I’m just gonna go do a sweat and get ready for that.
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And I just whatever he’s gonna energy he’s gonna give me to go into this shoot. And then for the for primeval, it was fucking beautiful. Like, I wasn’t a good rider. I’m still not on horses. And, he gave me like, my horse has a feather.
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If you really watch, he’s I have four horses in it, but my first horse has a feather in them. And I wanted to do all these and honor the horses, which obviously the Shoshone do. So he he just taught me a shit ton about just to honor that tribe and honor what what they do and and to be as authentic as possible.
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So that helped me root Isaac so much.
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But yeah. That’s a such an intense character. Ai imagine you’re like you’re playing a guy who’s a white ai, who’s like deeply ingrained with Native American ai. And so it’s ai it’s all it’s very conflicted. There’s a lot going on there, but you want you you wanna embody what this guy would be like.
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Yeah. Yeah. And you’re you meet him when he’s mourning. Right? And he’s lost his wife and his son, and he married into the tribe. So the the female chief, I married her daughter and had a son. And, so when you meet Isaac, he’s just in mourning, and everything is full circle.
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Everything is circular with them. So the only way he could reunite with his family is to is to die honorably. So that influences the way I fight. So the way Isaac fights is all in. Wild. Wild. Ai, biting. Yeah. I had I just got chills thinking about this.
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There’s a fight, I think, in episode two, which was fucking insane, and we didn’t rehearse. This is very Berg. And we have these one guy’s black feet, unbelievable ai, and I kept using him because he’s a great stuntman. And, so Pete’s like, you guys are gonna fucking roll down this hill, and I want you to fight your way to the river, and then we’ll cut.
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And then I want you to fight in the river. This is, like, maybe 28 degrees in that river. The safety guy is like, woah. Woah. Woah.
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This is not cool. And this is all, like, on the go. So JJ dashing on my double is, like, all in. He loves this. This is near the end of the shoot too. So and, everyone’s game. And, that fight was just so fucking intense.
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So is it choreographed at all?
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Nothing. Nothing. Literally nothing.
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So how do you know, like, when he’s gonna punch or you’re gonna punch?
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So during if it’s you and me, it’s like you will walk the area, make sure there’s no, sticks or whatever that we’re gonna impale us. And during the fight, I’ll be like, okay. I’m gonna flip you.
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Oh, wow.
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And then it’s like, okay. I’m gonna get on top.
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And then So you have to say it.
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Yep. And then Pete will be yelling behind camera to be like, okay. Now work your way on top of him, and then we’ll fight, work our way, roll, work our way, and then he’s like, okay. Find a rock, Kill him.
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Jesus Christ.
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And then that war cry, which I’m so proud of. I worked on that forever, but, and I had talked to Pete about it for, you know, months before, but we’re just rolling so quick. And I told our a camera, Brett, to, get in tight. I mean, any shot with Pete is fucking tight, which I love.
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And I’m like, b, I’m gonna I’m gonna do this war cry, so don’t go down to him or and he’s like, gotcha. And so when I did it, Pete finally called cut, and he goes, what the fuck?
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I was not fucking ready for that.
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And, it’s those moments though that that he allows you to just go, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, he’s such a smart guy.
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He is, man. When he’s dialed, he’s, like, saloni. He was just so present and early, and he just I mean, we’re surrounded by SEALs as you know every take, and, I don’t think you could do what we did to in prep of just, like, no producers, no Speak, no nothing. It’s just every morning, 7AM, 8AM, we’re up in the mountain, with SEALs, with Ray Mendoza and, amazing guys. And, we first week is, like, first day, man.
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I’m Canadian, so I haven’t shot a fucking gun in my life.
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The first time you ever shot a gun was a lone survivor? Well, yes.
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That’s hilarious. So first, Chris Caracci, who’s a fucking legend, a man’s man. And he I think he was, like, one of the on the first team, Speak team units. And the deepest voice you’ve ever heard in your life and, like, a fucking man. And, he took me under his wing, and so our first day was live fire.
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And Karachi took me aside. He’s like, hey. It’s you and me. And I’m like, let’s go. And I’m like, as fit as I ever have been.
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I was running Towne Lake doing the Murph every fucking three times a week with weighted vest and, just at Lake Travis High School there doing pull ups, and it was unbelievable fun training for that. And, first day was live fire, and that fucking gets you right. That you do not fuck around, and, they make sure of it.
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And then, I haven’t I hadn’t met Marcus yet, And Foster, had drove down, I think, from Texas to, New Mexico with with Littrell. I was pretty jealous of that. I was like, oh, you got to spend some real time with Marcus. Sana, I was playing Mike, obviously, and and, who is Mark’s best friend.
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And so we’re on this fucking range doing live fire, like, upside down reloads, combat reloads, jamming, blindfold. It was just it was full sana. And Emile’s actually a great shot. Arya comes. Everything goes full stop.
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And right when he’s coming, there’s a PA on the other side, and she’s bringing fucking banana, shakes out, which is not a good look for these actors. And Marcus looks at these shakes, and he looks at the actors, and he’s ai, what the fuck is happening? You guys don’t get shakes in between ai.
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And one
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of the actors just shamelessly goes up and grabs one of these banana shakes. And he’s just talking
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to Marcus, making him for the first time. And I’m like, you might wanna put that down.
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Like, wait till he fucking leaves before Yeah.
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But and then, it’s just a beautiful experience, man. The second week of training, we were doing simunitions. Have you done that? No. Oh, you would love it. So this will break skin, and, they hurt. It’s ai a hard plastic paint tipped, and they fly like that. Right? The arc? Yeah.
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Because they don’t go as fast?
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Right. And, so we have sims now. And Mike would Ai my guy decides if we push left, push ai, if we engage, get the fuck out of here. Let’s buy ourselves some time, whatever. I gotta make these calls. And, so the SEALs are in tally gear and they’re ai, go up the mountain.
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What’s tally gear?
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Taliban gear.
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Oh.
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They’re all dressed in tally gear. Sai, we meet up at the bottom of this fucking mountain, and they’re all in Taliban gear. And you’re ai, oh, god. We’re so fucked. Sai they’re like, give us ten minutes. And, when you get ambushed, we’re gonna watch, and we’re gonna engage, and we’re gonna see what you do, see what you’ve learned the last week. And you’re like, alright.
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Let’s go. So it happens, and you’re just walking. Right? Just like we are in the film. You’re just walking and waiting to get ambushed.
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You know shit’s about to hit. And so they hit, and you hit the ground right away to figure out where the bullets are coming. And, and you can hear them, which really sai you straight. And so I’m looking over at Emile and I’m like, fucking, 12:00. They’re just straight up in these trees.
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I’m like, 12:00, fucking push right. We gotta get the because we’re in this open field. I just got chills. We’re in this open field. And I’m like, get the fucking cover, dude. We gotta fucking fight our way to cover. And Emile’s, like, taking his ai. And he’s ai, bro, ah, fuck. Alright.
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It’s fucking intense. And I’m like, push. Right. I got Foster behind me who’s, like, so in it. He’s fucking crawling through cactus and, like, bleeding, and I’m on the ground crawling, screaming vatsal meal. Marcus comes out full we got hammered.
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I literally don’t think we got through a mag. Like and Marcus comes out, and we’re not laughing, but it’s too light. Like, we’re taking it too lightly. And I’m like, Emile, you gotta push, man. If I’m pushing if I’m telling you so Marcus comes in and he’s ai, full stop.
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And he goes I thought he was gonna rip a meal. And he comes over to me, and he’s like, is this funny? And I’m like, no, sir. And he’s like, do you understand the stakes of this? Like, every one of you are fucking dead. You’re all fucking dead. And so he just rips me.
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He’s like, it’s your fault. This guy doesn’t sana fucking move. Make a move. Like, you’re dead. Do you understand that? And I was just, like, just leveled. Right?
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And, it’s a beautiful learning curve for meh. And, we got better, but, I mean, anytime there’s one time Sai won’t kill you with these stories, but one time Sai was, like, fucking proud of myself. Like, we got in a ditch. We’re it was too much. Simunition, same thing. And we got in a ditch, and we’re all here.
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And I’m fucking looking downrange, like like, fucking we’re in one. We’re still in a fight. And then no joke, Mark Simos, the sniper speak, grabs my fucking shoulder, and he’s like, boom. And I’m like, where the fuck did you come from? Like, that’s how good these motherfuckers are, man. So it was like it was just an amazing experience.
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When you train for something like that, like, how much time is spent? Like, when you know you got the role Yeah. And you know you’re gonna film, like, how much time do you give yourself to prepare for something like that?
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Longer. I love prep.
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Do you? Sai
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yeah. I do. Yeah.
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Why do why do you love that?
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The more time I can root myself into this guy, especially when the stakes are so high like Murph, I mean, physically, was I did this little comedy, in Canada. And if you watch this movie and I was training for loan during this movie. So it’s called Skirwink Trail, in Newfoundland. Beautiful fucking trail.
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And it’s me, my best friend of thirty years, and my assistant who is a great guy. And we’re training for loan, getting ready doing ai 50 pound runs, weighted vest, all this ai of sort of skirt Skirwing Trail. So if you watch this movie, like, at the beginning to the end, my body goes ram, like, this to just fucking stacked in this movie.
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And so there’s that, but, obviously, 90% of this is mental. Right? The seals. And so, I just love that. I love the prep. I love that pressure.
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Pete did a beautiful thing bringing ai 19 guys died on the op, in the rescue mission. So it was ai he brought all the families. I think it was a week before we hit camera. And, man, you know, I’m going it’s I’m in the elevator at the Hyatt in, Santa Fe or New or, Albuquerque, and I’m fucking nervous.
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Like, throw up nervous because I’m meeting Dan Murphy now. And I’m like, did I do enough? Am I really fucking ready? Am I worthy of this shit? And then we all have that fucking voice in our head that’s ai, you’re a pile of shit. You didn’t do enough. You’re not ready.
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And that’s why I prep so much because it eliminate it’s like a fight. Right?
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Mhmm.
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UFC or anything, these guys fucking you prep to eliminate that self doubt sai you can be like, I’m fucking ready for you, you know? So it’s the same mentality and so that was, my first words to Dan were ai, I’m gonna everything I have into this, I’m gonna do it as authentically as I know how and he was just so fucking gracious with me.
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Gave Mike’s fire ai, patch and just told me some amazing stories, and I’m super close with the Murphy family still. But, I love prep, man. I I think it’s you gotta have it, especially with Pete’s process. Like, if you’re he he’s so off the cuff ai. And if it’s an idea he has on the day, which he really leans into his gut instinct and, obviously, that’s guided him pretty fucking beautifully.
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But you just gotta be ready for anything. And if you don’t prep, you’re not rooted. You’re not ready for anything. You know? So, that one was a special one.
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Yeah.
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Do you what what when you get into a character, like like, if you’re doing saloni survivor, do you try to stay in that character all day long? Like, do you try do you break for lunch and just be yourself?
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I try for sure. But you’re still Do you try to stay in
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the character?
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No. I ai and I try and be with you in the moment Right. At lunch. And not even though It’s
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gonna be weird though.
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It is weird because you’re ai. Location. Yep. Shah. On top of the fucking mountain. You’re taking the ski lift up there.
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And it’s so important to be this guy.
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Yeah. Yeah. And then you’re having lunch with the Taliban ai. You know? And they’re coming, and they’re like, hey, man. We’re big fans.
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Oh, god.
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And you’re like, this is fucking weird. Yeah. We’re supposed to be
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shooting at each other in twenty minutes. I’m about to fucking blow your head off, man. And,
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sai, I mean, Wahlberg’s quite light in between, so that can be infectious in a good way. Ben is very like, he’s he carries that weight in a beautiful way. That’s why it’s so good. Emile’s quite light. But, yeah, there’s definitely a tone. Right? Especially when you’re surrounded by the seals.
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It’s such a quick reminder of what you’re doing or serving. But, yeah, you’re up on that mountain having a sandwich, helping camera crew move their shah. And then lunch is always quick, so you’re right back into it. And it depends on the day. Like, if I know like, the climb up to Murph’s death was you’re just carrying more weight that day.
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You just cannot fuck around with you better get that fucking right.
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Right.
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And I remember being, Emil comes up to me and he’s ai, hey, if we get off tonight, I’ll go full circle with this. If we get off tonight, you wanna go see Eddie Vedder? And I’m like, fuck yeah.
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I love
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me some Vedder. And that was in Albuquerque. And so we go to Vedder, meet him. Vedder calls him up, sings couple songs to him. It was unbelievable night. And, Pete the next day comes up to me, and we’re back up in the mountain doing some, the fall off the the cliff. We’re doing that the next day.
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And, Pete’s like, hey. You’re desing. I wanna talk about it. And I’m like, all day. What do you what do you wanna know?
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I got some thoughts on it, and, you know, I talked to Marcus in the hotel, and he he remembers one specific thing he’d like me to do. And so Murph brought was pushing himself up with his rifle, climbing up this rock. So I’m like, that’s really all I wanna make sure ram Marcus’s sake that I get that in. And, he’s like, yeah. Yeah.
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We’re gonna shoot this, in a parking lot, just outside, on off the highway in Albuquerque. And I’m like, yeah. Right. And he’s like, no. No.
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I wanna control the light and have a beautiful landscape behind Murph. And I’m like, Pete, you you’re fucking killing me. We’re gonna do this in a fucking parking lot? And so it was my last day as Murph. And I love music.
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I’ll always have a playlist for whatever character and, Explosions in the Sky who’s Austin who was at the time Austin based, great ai, and Pete uses them all the time. And they’re just acoustic. No lyrics, which is they’re fucking amazing. And so there’s one song that has a heartbeat in it, and that was my song ram Murph, and it slows down in it.
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And so I go, you know, like, prepping in the in the tyler, I walked down through this fucking parking lot, and I’m like, oh, dude. I’m not in it. I’m not ready for this. And then I’m getting mad at Pete for putting me in a parking lot to do this shit. I’m looking at fucking Sandia Hotel getting ready to go, like, this most epic death on, you know, you it doesn’t get more epic than that ai, really.
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Put in the tunes, and they built this big stage that was, like, four feet high and the the rocks and then surrounded it by green screen. And cameras on the Phantom camera, which is that uber slow motion, that’s where you see the the spit coming out of Murph’s mouth and all this, and and I just broke down.
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Like, just I puddled myself right before. It was just, like, months and months and months of thinking about it and, and prepping and putting so much pressure. And then I had explosions in my head, and I was like, goddamn. This is too like, you’re overwhelmed with emotion. And Pete comes up, and he’s like, get it out. And so I took five minutes, camera crew’s waiting.
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We did, like I told Pete Ai want that rifle to him to climb up with the the ai, and, I think we did three takes. And then the camera crew, Shah, was a he’s a DP. He DP’d American Ai, but he was a camera op on on loan. And, he was working that saloni mo camera, and he just goes to Speak. He’s like, we’ve got it. We’ve got it.
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Was it weird watching on film knowing that you shot it in a parking lot, like, trying to This is the first time I
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told this story. Very much. Like, we would go We went and the first time I saw this film, man, was in, I think it wasn’t Redskins. It was Denver, the Broncos. We go and show this to the Broncos. And, Robert Griffin the third was the quarterback, I think. Yeah. He was there.
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And, I was with Ben Foster, and Ben had seen it. And I was I watched it the first time with the Denver fucking Broncos sitting in this theater, and I was a mess. A mess. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s just the pressure. Right? I think Yeah.
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But I love it. Do it honor.
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Yeah. Truly. And then my first email was to Dan, his dad, and he thanked me and that’s all that really and Arya. But, yeah, they thanked me and that was really all I fucking need.
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That’s gotta be a very intense kind of a role because you’re playing a real human being whose family is still alive.
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Maureen, Johnny, Dan, the whole family. And there’s a destroyer, fucking beach, male u p or not UPS, but, like, a fucking, stamp or whatever named after him. There’s fucking it’s insane. There’s all these huge, honorary plaques and statues and all this kind of stuff. So if you let it, like, overwhelm you, it definitely can. Yeah.
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But it it’s been I mean, that’s where all this my love for these guys is is really stemmed from that, you know? That’s where it’s ai, I I’ve played SEALs a lot, and it’s it’s I’m never raised military or my grandfather served but it was it’s an infectious group meh it’s like a brotherhood that’s so real exceptional humans truly truly and people don’t understand these guys are the best fucking problem solvers on the planet.
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They’re doctors. They’re lawyers. They’re fucking smart. And, so Ai don’t know. I’ve just been embedded, and I think once you’re in with these guys, you know, you’re you’re you don’t take it for granted.
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It’s ai I’ve made calls to a buddy of mine that, one of the most decorated seals ai, and, he trained me for loan, Ram Mendoza. He just came out with Warfare, that movie, that’s, his best friend, his story. And, unbelievable ai. But I’ll call Ram, and Ray was doing saloni unit on on, terminalist dark wolf, and he’s like a brother to me. And no joke. You’re like, hey, meh.
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I need a favor. And he’s like, he’ll fucking bury someone for you, man. This ai, like, yeah. What do you what do you need? What what is it?
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And it’s like, it’s just that whole brotherhood that it’s, like, unquestionably ai loyal. Yeah. And, like, Marcus, like I mean, we’re chatting a lot lately just because I’m shooting in Huntsville in a couple weeks, and he’s not far. But, like, my my sister, I took some time off to help my sister because she was using, drugs. And and I just needed somewhere to fucking go.
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Just I can’t be in Austin. I tried LA. She’s still using. She’s still relapsing. I fucking Marcus. Call Marcus. I’m like, let’s I this is what’s going on.
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He’s like, bring her here. Bring her to the ranch. There’s no fucking fentanyl. There’s no heroin. There’s no meth on this fucking ranch, man. Bring her here.
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And so I she’s not using at the ram. So we went to the ram. And ten days, I know she’s gonna be fucking clean because there’s just all we’re doing is driving around looking for hogs Yeah. Or, like, hanging out, fishing, whatever it is. But he’s just a a beautiful guy, man. And where he is now is just he’s lighter on his feet.
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It’s so beautiful to see. He was hurting on loan, going through a lot of fucking surgeries still, all this stuff. So, they’re just so loyal and just great guys.
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Have you been paying attention to what they’re doing in Texas for veterans Yes. This Ibogaine initiative? Yeah. Awesome. Huge. Awesome. It’s it’s so remarkable how effective it is. Yep. And how many people it it’s completely saved their life and changed their life.
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Yeah.
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You know? And I was just thinking about that for your sister.
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You know? I don’t know. Yeah. She’s clean ten years now. Just under ten. Yeah.
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That’s amazing.
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Yeah. Thanks. She’s a nurse now Oh, wow. Which is incredible. That’s great. Yeah. She’s it’s really kind of like, that’s where that nonprofit comes from. I just started it called Howlers Ridge, and, I didn’t even know, like, when she got clean like, there’s some fucking crazy stories I can tell you.
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But she’s she got clean, and she hit me up, and she was at a sober escape with all the girls she got clean with. And I’m like, what is that? And it’s basically a reunion with all the people that you went through, your sober living or whatnot. The last place she got clean was she was supposed to be there ninety days. She was there nine months. Woah.
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Yeah. That’s what I said.
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And, so she was at this sober escape. And so Howlers Ridge is basically a place I think we all know an addict if we’re not ourselves. And, and we’re gonna help vets as well. But it’s the sober side of addiction. So it’s a place anytime you’re using, at least through my experience watching my sister die a couple times, get Narcan ed a couple ai, I mean, I’ve seen her detox on my fucking kitchen floor, which is the worst fucking ai of anybody to watch someone in so much pain.
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But, this this spot is for her, you know, where where it all started and and this is I think anytime you’re using, right, we’re all habitual humans. You work out six, seven times a week. You need that for your brain. So do I. And once you get in that habit, I change.
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If I don’t work out in three, four days, I’m a fucking asshole. And I get depressed. Yeah. Yeah.
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Like, I get Anxious.
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Yeah. Very.
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Yep. Me too.
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And and I get and I beat the shit out of myself.
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Right. Mentally. Yeah. Yeah. I feel terrible. Yeah. Yeah.
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So we all create this environment whether it’s good or bad. Yeah. And I think with my sis, I just didn’t have anywhere to take her. And I needed to pull her out because there was a time I she relapsed, like, four or five times in LA, and I was just finishing true detective when I got her.
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And, I mean, there’s stories, but, like, it’s pretty fucked up that whole system because you have someone that’s dying. Right? It’s someone you raised or your brother, fucking best friend, whatever. And, I bring her to this well, first, she had to detox, which is an incredible story.
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My mom calls me, and she’s ai, she’s been using for this long, and I go full hero mode. I didn’t even know what fentanyl was.
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Really?
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Yeah. I didn’t. This is right after True Detective. I really wasn’t exposed to it. I knew heroin, of course.
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Sai what is this? Like, twelve, thirteen years ago? How how
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long Yeah. Right in there. Whenever the
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end of You didn’t know what fentanyl was?
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Wow. I knew I knew, like, with the seals, they had fentanyl patches for the pain. Mhmm. And then, of course, like but that’s really all I fucking if that. Like, obviously, I educated myself on it after, and it’s 20 to 25 times worse than heroin. It’s a deathbed drug, put you to sleep.
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And, so I got this call, and I’m like, I’ll get her sober in two weeks. Bring her ai, like, hero mode. And she comes, and I had no idea what was and she had used right before she flew. And so she was in withdrawal. Oh, god. Oh, god.
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It’s fucking right, man. And your muscle contractions are so bad that I had this little one bedroom apartment in Marina Meh Rey, 15 like, literally a hallway from here about this saloni, actually. And it’s late. And, she’s just pacing because she can’t sit still because the muscle contractions are so bad. And I’m like, shells, just take go to meh.
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Take my bed and just try and sleep. She’s like, no. No. No. No. You don’t understand. I have to move. And so she tried sleeping, going laying down.
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Muscle contractions are so bad. She fell off the bed. And, I’m like, okay. Let’s go for a walk. And the beauty of our relationship and what I think was a huge factor in getting her clean was the transparency. Like, you gotta fucking be real with me.
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Tell me when you used tell me how often, like, everything she did, which is so tough to hear. And so we ended up walking down Abbot Kinney at three in the morning, and no one’s obviously out there. And we just did this crazy walk and talk, and I’ll never forget it. And, it’s just heartbreaking.
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And I get her and I call, Ai don’t even know if she needs to detox. So I call the hospital, Marina meh Rey, and they’re like, no. We don’t take anybody that’s using right now. You they have to be detoxed and we may be able to help them after. So Ai like, okay.
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What the fuck is okay. We got we got a detox. And, so I call this place, and they’re, like, an hour away. And she’s ai, I have a bed for her, and bring her at 6AM. I mean, I got this little Wrangler, a two door Wrangler, and she’s in the back speak, my mom in the front, and she’s, like, almost kicking the fucking glass out because the muscle contractions of my Jeep.
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And I was ai, holy like, such a wake up call that I had no idea it was this bad. So reality is kinda setting in, and, she kept asking for methadone. I want methadone because she had detox before on methadone and, and so I go to this fucking house and I knock on the door and she’s in the backseat.
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She’s got her little backpack, and it’s this fucking woman, like, butchy in, like, presence. She opens the door. She’s like, just a matter of fact, where’s your sis? And I’m like, oh, she’s grabbing her bag. She’s like, well, bring her here. I’m like, okay. Shells, let’s go.
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She comes and Shells is like, I need doesn’t say ai. Nothing. She’s like, I need methadone. And she goes, well, when did you use blah blah blah and all this? And she tells her and she’s like, oh, you haven’t even bottomed out yet.
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We don’t treat drugs with drugs here, honey. You’re gonna you’re gonna have some Gatorade and some topical muscle relaxer, and you’re gonna sweat this out. And sai it’s funny now, but Shelby goes to her knees, and she’s like, I need methadone. She goes, no. No. No. What did I just say?
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And she’s like, you getting Gatorade, muscle relaxer, and you’re gonna watch some movies. And you can smoke, no phone. She was incredible. Four and a half days later, she called meh. She’s like, your sister’s good. Bring her to a sober living just by Venice High.
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And it’s thirty like, when someone’s fucking almost ready to go, you’re I’ll do anything. Right? And they know this. And so it’s 30,000 for the month. And it’s so we’re living. You’ll have one session, which isn’t enough, because she has some trauma and, with a psych. And I was like One in 30?
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One every week.
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Oh.
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And I was like, we need a lot more than one a week. And so I draw and my sis was a runner. And, so do you sign this fucking contract? And it’s ai, if she runs, if she leaves, if she does this, this, this, and that, you she’s out. We kick her out, and we keep your money. Two hours in, gone. I get a call. Yeah.
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I get a call from this LA number, and I’m like, no fucking way. Okay. There’s 30 gone. I’m gonna find another one. She went to another one. Little better.
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Cool. Yeah. Ai got twice a week. Two days later, she runs again. So I’m down 65 k in three days.
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And I’m, like, bleeding cash, and then I figure out, like, another spot. She stayed, like, thirty days relapsed. And then, yeah, she kept relapsing and then, multiple ai, Narcan up in Calabasas. There’s a place and she left. And, this one girl, she had, night terrors.
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And, so they would she had I would walk around, Joe, with this fucking, Ziploc bag of pills of, like, antidepressants for her night terrors, sleeping pills, all these things to just take away this trauma for whatever beat it would be within her. Right? And there’s an amazing doc up there and South African guy that deals with women, addicts, and ram.
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And, she was there for a while and that was really great. And she got a hold of these sleeping pills, and they’re supposed to give you one every ai. And the girl put the bottle up on the little half door. You know, those doors swinging doors. Yeah. And, so she grabbed the bottle.
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And she was as a lot of these sober livings are, they’re pretty incestuous, and and the ai sleep with the girls, vice versa, obviously. And, she was dating a a kid named Mike there. And so she went to that part of the house and said goodbye to Mike. And to this kid’s credit, he was like, that’s a little weird. You didn’t say ai. You just said goodbye. And so she goes up, hammers 60 something sleeping pillows.
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Oh, Jesus.
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Yeah. And, he goes and tells he’s like, hey. This ain’t right. You gotta go check on her. So long story short, call the ambulance, and the medic to his credit is ai, go grab the fucking bottle. And, grabs a bottle and shows this medic, and he’s like, we’re pumping her stomach right now in the ambulance. And, what saved her life were their time release?
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Isn’t that fucking crazy? Wow. Yeah. Wild. So I got this call, and I lost my mind for giving her, the bottle.
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But, yeah, she at that point, she kinda just fucking ran again, went to a drug house. She hates using, needles sai someone would shoot her up. Yeah. So as you know, if you’re fucking sober ai two days, whatever it was, if you use what you were using before, you’re fucking gone. Because your tolerance is gone.
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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So they dropped it’s a fucking movie. They dropped her off at the stupidest hospital, and she got Arya. I didn’t know any of this part.
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I didn’t I wasn’t privy to this yet.
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Oh my god.
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I’m just driving around looking for her. Her. And, anyway, she’s just to go back to that environment, I’m like, I’m out of money. We gotta I gotta send you back home to Vancouver. And she’s like, you put me to Vancouver, I’m gonna die. And I’m like, well, it ain’t working well here either. And, she was at a psych ward on 30 Fourth in Lamar.
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That was a fucked up story, but, for, like, ten days. But, anyway, she got she went to this place called the Westie House in New Westminster just outside Vancouver, and sai it was a woman’s only, and she was there. She ran there, and I got her back in, and she got clean and hasn’t looked back since.
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Ram again. I know, man. Whoo. Vancouver. Phone calls must be rough.
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Ai was I didn’t even know what Al Anon was, and, I was at 360 Bryden. There’s a church just across 360 Bridge, and, I was at this Al Anon, and, and I’m waiting. I didn’t Shells has been gone. So I’m waiting for the call of, like, okay. She’s finally overdosed and gone. And so I’m a meh, and I’m in Al Anon just waiting for this call.
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And I’m judging everybody in this fucking Al Anon. Like, there’s this woman across from me. She’s ai, yeah. My husband, he used and, yeah, I got Christmas with him. And I’m like, fuck. That’s easy day. I’m like, you don’t even know what the fuck I’m dealing with over here. You know?
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And then you hear another story, and you’re like, that’s bullshit. You guys are pussies. All in my head. And, so I just listen. It does help or help me a lot. And I come out, and this one guy, he’s like, hey. You’re heavy. You gotta you wanna talk or anything?
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You didn’t say a word in there. And and I’m like, right when he said that, my sis called, and she was downtown Vancouver. And she had just used and got scared straight. Some guy had followed her and sexually abused a friend of hers in front of her, and she’s like, I can’t do this no more. So she was scared straight.
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And she’s
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like that’s what got her sober?
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She got she was downtown Vancouver, called me, and she’s like, can you get me back in Westie House? And I call Susan was her name and, call her back and I’m throwing everything. I’m like, I will fucking, support you guys. Can you give us a bed? Can you get her one more time? I know she’s not allowed back and all this. And she goes, I’ll call you back.
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And she got she got her bed and she was there nine months.
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Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So what what was it that finally kept her sober? Did she say
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that? A fucking good question.
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Jamie, can you tell, Jeff to bring in the coffee?
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That’s a good question. I know at times it was ai shah has we have nieces and nephews, and she wanted to get clean for them, but that didn’t last. I think it was that moment of getting scared straight, ai, you just can’t keep doing this. Rock bottom.
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Yeah. I think that’s what it is.
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It it’s so subjective. Right? Yeah. We all know somebody that’s ai, I stopped drinking yesterday.
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Yep.
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Done. Yep. Like, my buddy over there, you meh met. It’s just ai he went for a few weeks, and he hasn’t had booze since. And it’s ai, sometimes it just clicks, and they’re like, fuck this life. I don’t want it anymore. And some just can’t break that habit. But yeah.
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I mean vary so much.
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Oh my god.
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Thanks, Jeremy.
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But, yeah, she’s a lot like me too. Super I’ll steal some. Meh. Some dog. Thanks, man. Yeah. It’s it’s a beautiful story. Tragically, dude.
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Yeah. Yeah. But it it very well couldn’t have. I know. Meh if that guy didn’t say ai. What is goodbye? Why why goodbye? What the fuck is going on? Yeah. That one guy probably saved your sister’s life.
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And I wanna fucking kill that guy, by the way. Because he’s he relapsed with her and used with her at that drug house.
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Yeah. It’s fucked.
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I know, man. So that, like, for me is a a big part of Howlers Ridge. And then with the vets is we just chatted. I love these guys and and the families. And, so hopefully, we’ll have you talk about Ai. I know we can’t do that in Montana yet, hopefully. But I hope up there on Howlers Ridge, we can maybe in a year or two, we’ll see what happens, that we can do some of that up there.
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Well, I
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think it’s
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gonna be so effective in Texas that it’s gonna speak. And I think the fact that they’re starting with, veterans Yeah. Which is these guys don’t get any support.
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There’s I know.
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And you think about what they have to go through when they go off to war with the things that they experience, and then they come back and they’ve lost friends, and they’ve seen their buddies get blown up in front of them, and they’re they just they’re all fucked up, and then they’re hooked on pills.
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And then Pills are just you can Cookie Monster a fucking jar if you want, and they’ll refill you, like, and there’s different outlets ai Virginia, Hawaii, Florida, doctors in each one that are sending you. Yep. Yep. And it’s that’s you literally, at your doorstep, you’re getting these jars of pills. Mhmm. Sai you’re giving and these guys obviously have addictive personalities.
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That’s what makes them so fucking great. Yeah. That’s one thing weird. That’s a
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weird thing. Right? That the addictive tendency can actually make you great at something.
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Yeah. Well, beautiful. Right?
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Yeah. Sai mean If you use it If you harness it. Mhmm. But it can go sideways on you,
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which is really weird. It is. That’s one thing and it’s funny because it not that I’m cocky or was cocky with Dark Wolf, but I had played this guy already before, and I lose my Bryden in it. And Mendoza’s kinda getting the parade rest ready and the whole ceremony ready for it.
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And he’s just a brother of ai, and and it it was a big moment that I learned because these workups say you work up on a Thursday, and you go at 2AM to 7AM. And you go take a couple ai out, and you come back, whatever, celebrate, probably get have a few drinks, and then you have another workup on Tuesday.
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But let’s say you and I go in the fight and I die on that Thursday op, you’re back in workup Tuesday morning. So this is one thing that really kinda punched me when I was talking to Mendoza because he was talking about some stories where he lost somebody and I was like, there’s literally no fucking time to mourn.
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There’s no time to register the loss of this. So you’re just harnessing this pain and this all these emotions. Yeah. And you’re just like, okay. I guess I’m back in the ai, and I’m gonna do this for at least another few months before I’m out on my six month, tour.
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And that really kinda knocked me out, and that set me free to play this guy a lot more like just knee jerk emotion and way more of a live wire because it’s ai, who the we talk about how subjective mourning is. You know? It’s like everyone mourns differently. Yeah. So it’s like I just made that choice with, Ben of just ai, this guy is just a fucking meh, and let him just emotionally make these decisions then.
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And that’s where I took them. And and and Did
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you have conversations with, other vets that were addicts and that were fucked up from war and just had all sorts of different kinds of ways of dealing with trauma?
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All the time. Yeah. All the time. It’s so common. It really is. It’s extremely common.
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Yeah. It it only makes sense. It would be crazy if it wasn’t common.
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I know. Yeah. You’re right.
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What you’re asking them to do.
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I know. And we don’t know the half of it. No. We really don’t.
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We don’t know any of it. We do we don’t experience if you don’t physically experience it, you’re just making things up.
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Yeah. You know? Yeah. And Ai mean, I think, obviously with Meh Wings and and stuff like that with Lone, but then you talk to these guys in between takes and they’re pretty transparent, which is beautiful that they’re talking about it and all this. But it’s ai, where are they putting this fucking energy after they’re out? Like, they gotta find another purpose that’s so fucking heightened when you’re serving. There’s no bigger purpose.
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You’re fucking killing bad guys. Yeah. Like, that’s with your brothers right next to you. Like, that’s a heavy fucking thing to carry. And then when they come out, now what? Right. I’m gonna go walk fucking Walmart and Right. Just be a dad and that’s just a whole another life.
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That’s one of the things I really loved about Hurt Locker. Yeah. Fuck me. That was good. Such a good movie. Yeah. And it was so good the way he explained or or the way it played out how this guy just could not go back to
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normal.
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Like, it it just wasn’t working. He he didn’t give a fuck. He’d rather be back out there
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Yeah. Down I mean, you look at Marcus too after Red Wings. He went back to Ramadi. Yeah. Which is wanted to die with his boots on. I mean, these guys are fucking this is ai of the UFC, right, of, like, these guys are modern day fucking gladiators, warriors. And I I know they’re not in the front lines or downrange, but it’s ai you you got a guy like Marcus or the Mendoza or these guys that are just truly born warriors.
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Yeah. There’s just that there are a different breed.
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Well, that’s why they get it through buds too. Yeah. You gotta be a different kind of human.
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Yeah. Yeah. More mental than physical. Yeah. I mean, Mendoza was running BUDS too, and he would sana lot of ai, you look at these fucking scrawny guys.
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Mhmm. Yep. Those are the ones that made it.
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And then you got the d one athletes Yep. That haven’t had or gone through a whole lot because they’re gifted athletically. Up here though, they’re not as strong. Uh-huh. And that fucking scrawny guy over there Yep. Is bringing that d one athlete with them. Yeah. Yeah. Those stories
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That’s ai the case with fighters too sometimes. Sometimes it’s the guys that aren’t talented that wind up being champions because they’re just they’re tougher and they work harder. Yep. Because they don’t have it given to them easily. You know, they can’t half ass in the gym. They have to be all in.
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Yep. Yeah. It’s the ai. Yeah. Right? It’s the ai. What are you willing to do?
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And you you, you know, you have to be all in in that job. Both jobs.
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Yeah. And comfort can kill you.
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Oh, yeah. In everybody’s ai. Yeah. Yeah. I hate it.
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I know. I know. I hate it. I know, man.
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I would have thought that one day that I’d be wealthy and that I’d be they’re just fucking chilling and going to the beach, ai, no.
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No. You’re going even harder.
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Every morning and yeah. No. I I fucking hate it. I think it’s the enemy. It really is. It’s the enemy of happiness. Yep. It really is. Even
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ai me with acting, it’s ai I live for it. I love it. And I honestly do believe I’ve just worked my way through stubbornly. Like, I’ll just outwork people. It’s not like I was gifted this talent or it truly isn’t. I’ll just outwork people. And then now it’s, like, 44 now, which is crazy.
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And, now I’m starting to be like, okay. You’re thinking about kids. You’re thinking about I need a little more balance.
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Mhmm.
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But then I start this balance, and it scares the fuck out of me and I don’t like it. How does it scare you? Just it’s the comfort. Right? It’s like, oh, Kitsch, don’t take this. Just go keep fly fishing. Keep, you know, just go on a motorcycle trip. Go which is great and I’ll still do it, but I’m just so conscious of it of, like, don’t get fucking comfortable. Don’t ai.
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Don’t rest on your work, you know.
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Comfort is not bad if you earn it. Right. But you gotta earn the fuck out of it. Where, like, when you’re sitting on that couch, you know that you actually need to recover. Ai, if you’re gonna keep going, you need to recover. So, like, watching South Park is probably good for you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Actually, like medicine.
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Yeah. Yeah. You know, just fucking
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let me just zone out and
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True. True. Yeah. But there is that, I think I don’t know. Do you have that with the the fear of failure still of just, like
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Of it all falling apart?
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That and, like, I’m on set in two weeks, and I’m fucking scared. Yeah. And it’s a heavy roll, shit ton of dialogue.
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That’s because you’re doing the right thing.
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I know.
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It’s what you’re supposed to be doing.
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But I can’t sit on that fucking couch because I’m like, what the fuck are you doing, kid?
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Well, now you can’t sit on the couch because it’s getting ready Yeah. To be go time. Yeah. But that’s why you you’re doing what you do. I mean, you Yeah. You have to be a little scared of what you do. You have to be. Yeah. Ai, Monday, I’m going elk hunting.
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Yeah.
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I’m kind of freaking out.
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Yeah. Which I always
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do. Because it’s hard. Yeah. It is. It’s I got in shape. I got, ai, did a lot of cardio, a lot of leg workouts because
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you’re
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going you’re huffing it up those mountains. I shah three hours of arrows today. Fuck. Three fucking arrows. I’m pulling for three hours, I’m pulling back an 80 pound bow.
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No joke.
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Yeah. It’s it’s a lot of work, man. I work hard, but it’s because when it’s there, you wanna be prepared. Yeah. Leading up to it, I get, like, fucking super serious. I get, like, really, like, where it’s it’s with me all day long. It’s with
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me on my porch of my teeth.
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I know it. With me, I put in my underwear, with me when I’m sitting in the cold plunge. I’m thinking about the mountains. Yeah. It’s a hard thing to do and that’s why I do it because I love it and but it’s also because it’s a hard thing to do. And when you’re getting ready to do ai a role that’s like a fucking intense role, the nerves are a good thing. They’re your friend. Yeah.
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Truly keeps you honest.
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Sick feeling. Yeah. You can’t eat ai that’s that’s your friend. Or you’re
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looking through my girlfriend.
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Yeah. You barely listen. Running lines. Yep. Yep. Yep. Fucking what about
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I do this in this scene.
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Uh-huh. But if ai wanna talk about Taylor Swift’s engagement ring, I feel like I can’t.
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Yeah. I can’t
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hear you. And then you’re an asshole. Right. Like, what did you say? You’re not listening. I was I was listening. I just spaced out for a second. I’m sorry. Yeah. And then you go back to being spaced out after ai.
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Or I’ll just literally be like, I’m going on a bike ai, and I’m gone for two, three hours, and then I’m running shit in my head or it’s so true. But it’s the same I equate it to, like, when we’re rolling. It’s ai, you ain’t hiding no more kids. You’re fucking you’re in it. It’s the same thing once you get exposed to that elk. It’s ai, this is your fucking moment.
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Yeah. You’re in it.
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We’re gonna see if you did the work.
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Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. I think people everyone needs something like that. But it scares people, so they shy away from it. Yeah. And they look towards something that’s guaranteed. You get a guaranteed paycheck. Yeah. It’s easy. It’s simple. Yeah. But that’s the that’s that’s your enemy.
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Yeah.
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That’s how that’s how your life becomes this just dull shade of gray.
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Yeah. Uh-huh. I know.
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Yeah. Not good. You’re very fortunate. You’re very fortunate you’ve been able to do what you love and that what you love is, you know, it’s it’s very exciting.
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Yeah.
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Like, and it’s very exciting to other people. It’s very rewarding. Yeah. Like, I do I fucking loved you in American Ai Meeple.
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Oh, thanks. That role That was my Gladiator.
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That was intense. That one scene where you’re getting changed and where and you see all the fucking cuts all over your body.
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Oh, yeah.
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You’re ai like, woah. Yep.
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Like, it just That scene, I lost a bunch of weight for it, and then Howard Berger did my makeup for that, and he’s fucking incredible. And, that scene, meh,
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That scene meant a lot because It’s everything. You saw who that guy is ram, naked With his Shoshone brother
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and with everything. Yep. Covered in scars. And then goes into that, teepee with the chief, the the mother of his wife that he lost. And I wrote that scene, man.
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Woah. Yeah. Woah.
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And so Pete Pete and I came up with It’s Only Pain, and then I I broke my foot and got a fucking bone cut out of it on this that show. And you know the scene where Got
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a bone cut out of it? Yeah. Why they cut a bone out?
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So there’s a scene where I go down to get horses, and I kill five or six guys at the skinning ram. And I think it’s episode two. And Betty Gilpin, who’s amazing, comes down, and she’s, like, didn’t trust meh. And she comes down, and I have to kill these guys. During that sequence, I broke this my foot, and they call cut, and I go to, Dash and all the stunt coordinator. And, I’m like, oh, it’s broken.
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And he’s like, I’ve worked with him for fifteen years, and he’s like, don’t fuck with me. And I’m like, no, Dash. It’s broken. And I got the shooting pain in my groin, and he’s like, get the fuck out of here. And I’m like, yeah.
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So finish the scene, and they they spray fucking Biofreeze on my foot. And I’m like, guys, it’s broken. Like, I’m fucked. And so I go to Bozeman, and he’s like, it’s this small bone right on the side of your foot right there that goes up and down right here.
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Next to your toe?
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Connecting my big toe. It’s on the side bone on my big toe. Uh-huh. And, so he’s like, oh, you can wear a boot. It’s a small bone, so you won’t need to it’ll heal itself. So I go back, and I’m in a boot doing this fucking shah. And I got a six foot six, Wrangler. So when I get off that horse 90% of the time, I think his name’s BJ. Great dude. Big cowboy.
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And he’s below me off camera taking my weight because I can’t step off the horse because I’m in a fucking boot.
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Medical boot. Yeah.
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And then, six weeks goes by or a month, and I go back to Bozeman and take my boot off. And, he does one last X-ray, and he’s like, you need to be in surgery today.
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Oh, no.
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That’s what I said. That’s a shitty call to Netflix and Pete. And, so I got surgery. And then right before surgery, he’s ai, we can pin it, but you’re gonna be super active. And it may not take, or I can cut it out and put bone wax on it. Bone wax? Yeah. Didn’t know there was a thing of that either.
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Ai don’t know either.
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So So you just said cut it? Yeah. Because you wanted to go back to work. Yeah. So they cut a chunk of bone off. Yeah. And what is bone wax?
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I think it just is a protective coating over it. Oh, look at this.
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01:07:44
Commonly supplied in sterile sticks usually requires softening before it can be applied. It’s generally made of beeswax. Softening agent uses paraffin or petroleum jelly, and it’s smeared across the bleeding edge of the bone, blocking the holes and causing immediate bone hemostasis.
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Still don’t know what it means. Well, Ai don’t know what
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this meh is this. A tamponade tamponade effect, but closure of blockage as if by a tampon, especially to stop bleeding. You have a tampon on your foot, bro.
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Yeah. I do.
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Wow. That’s crazy.
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Oh, god.
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So does your foot fuck with you now?
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Yeah. It’s, if I’m fly fishing or on uneven ground, it’s or if I’m doing, you know, if I’m tracking or doing something, side hilling, which I fucking hate. Right. Side hill hiking, I hate it. I have a terrible knee as well. That’s where it bites. Yep. Yeah. And then, yeah. So I dealt with that.
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We had to I had to be on the couch for six weeks, but my first day back was those two scenes and I had called Pete and I’m like, hey. I wrote this scene. I’d love because that scene was exposition with my mom at first. We’re talking about meh feather and stuff. And, I’m like, this is my first day back after losing them that I haven’t seen her since I’ve lost her daughter and her grandson.
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So this guy can’t get through anything. So that was the crutch and thank you for noticing. That’s the crutch of that whole arc to that guy.
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Yeah. It was intense scene because it it it was so realistic. Yeah. Like like, well, that’s what sai guy would look like. Like Yeah. I hate when you see someone who looks like they’ve been living an easy life Yeah. And they take their shirt off and they’re supposed to be like ai some rugged outdoor environment. They just look soft. Yeah.
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Or he’s stacked and
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looks incredible.
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Looks like he’s been in the gym. Yeah. Eating creatine. No. You you look like a hard man. Like a hard man who’s been through some fucking hand to hand combat. Yeah. It looked very realistic. Yeah. Thank you. You had to starve yourself for that?
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Yeah. How
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much did you have to lose? Just to get Oh, I had ai.
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Looking. I had ai, which was great. I lost 30 for that. Woah. Yeah. That’s a lot of weight. Yeah. But I had done it. I did this one film called The Bang Bang Club here. I was just living off Lamar here. And I play this drug addicted, true story about these war photographers right before the during the apartheid, right before the first reelection, Mandela’s election. Kevin Carter is his name.
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He won a Pulitzer, for this epic shot that he took. Got a lot of flack for it and ended up taking his own life. But that, I had thirty days to prep, and I lost 35 in thirty days. Woah. And I remember going just over Ai 35 here to this dock, and my heart rate was fucking low twenties.
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Oh god.
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Because all I was doing was running, coffee, and I would the broth can be super salty, sodium heavy. So I’d filter that and then just have broth and broccoli for dinner.
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Oh my god. You’re just starving yourself.
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It was bad. And then I got a thyroid problem from that. And, that doc that doc was like, hey. You’re gonna fail this, physical, just so you know. And I’m like, what do I gotta do? I’m going to Africa next speak, and he’s like, do some push ups. So I did push ups and got my heart rate into the low forties, and he’s like, okay. Wow. Sai know. That’s crazy.
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Ai weird because you’re
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probably kinda dying. Yeah. That’s nuts, dude.
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And then I was hurting. They would shoot me out on Bang Bang Club. Like, just shoot your coverage and go go back to bed. And, then I ended up getting a nutritionist there, and, she helped me a little bit. But that was a quick shoot, but, that’s where I think I fucked my body on that one. Wow. And then Koresh again lost weight for that.
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That was great, by the way. Thanks. That fucking whole Koresh
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Talk about fear.
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Is so crazy. I know, man.
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What is it like doing that movie? Because it’s another real ai.
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Yeah. That was I was just prepping right there too. That was almost too long a prep. Here’s me saying I love prep, but I had six months to get into that headspace, and it just the last month, I tried to pull out of the show. Really? Yeah. Because I was just this is I was just you’re holding hoarding all this energy, and you I lost the weight learning to play guitar and sing, which was a fucking comedy.
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I’m fucking terrible.
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And he was terrible too though.
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Yeah. Yeah. He was. That literally helped me.
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I would listen to Dave sana I’d be like, wow. Guys suck. Yeah. He’s shit. I know how he got people to follow him with that fucking terrible
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scene. Yeah.
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If I was in that call, they go, yo, there’s we gotta reevaluate. This guy is not Christ. He is not the leader.
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He’s actually ai fucking terrible, right?
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01:12:49
Should we lean? He sucks. His fucking music sucks. Yeah. But Just what is it like getting in the headspace of someone who’s that depraved too? And and who has that kind of, like, sick control Yeah. Over people?
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Why? Figure out the why. Why?
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Did you figure it out?
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Ai think so. Yeah. Go to his childhood, which was fucking terrible.
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01:13:16
Of course.
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01:13:18
Ai,
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You don’t become a cult leader if you’re an exhaust or a kid.
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Two great healthy parents.
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Always giving you hugs. Siblings. And you ai to be a cult leader.
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No. Yeah. Yeah. He memorized the Bible by 15 Woah. Which is fucking That’s intense. That says enough right there.
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01:13:35
That’s intense.
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But he was, like, tied to a radiator on his birthday Oh, jeez. Like, abused pretty hard and, I almost bought his car.
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01:13:44
Oh my god. Can’t really buy ai sai. He had a 1968 Meh, and, a buddy of mine texted me and said, yo, David crushed his car for sai. And he knows I’m a car head. And I’m like, arya ai cars, especially old muscle cars. Yeah. I got a bunch of them. And I have a ’69 Camaro.
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01:14:00
And I was thinking about at that time, I didn’t have any Camaros. But I was thinking about getting, like, ’68 or ai or ’67. I like the sixty nines a little more, like, a little wide body. But, then I found out it was Koresh’s car. I was ai, woah, that’d be wild to drive to the comedy store in David Koresh’s Mustang. In Texas. Or it’s David Koresh’s Camaro rather.
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01:14:19
But then I thought about it. I said, you know what? I don’t want it. I don’t want anything ram that guy. Sai don’t want that
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01:14:25
That’s an emoji.
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01:14:26
I don’t want I don’t sana hold his steering wheel. No. I don’t wanna sit in his seat. I don’t want it. No. I don’t want it. Also, what a piece of shit. That guy’s a a preacher. He’s driving around a muscle car, like, for sure right there and then. Terrible sense in a muscle car.
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Ego. Little bit of an ego. Ego. Yeah. I mean, not that you can’t enjoy I love them. I think they’re Right.
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One of the greatest accomplishments of American engineering in terms of, like, a piece of functional artwork.
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Yeah.
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American Master Cars, I love them. I’m that way
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01:14:55
with motor motorcycles too. And I got to set we shot actually in, Waco wanted nothing to do with us. So Of course. Yeah. Rightfully so. So we shot that in Santa Fe.
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01:15:06
Ai to change that?
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Yeah, man. And, his
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01:15:10
Waco’s a great town, by the way. Yeah. It’s great.
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It’s grown, like, enormously too. But, yeah, his motorcycle came for sale, and, obviously, they knew we’re making it. I Yeah. Kicked tires on it, and, they wanted to just it was probably worth $2. They wanted 15 or something, and it was just, like, go fuck yourself. Right. Ai were just trying to help you. Honestly, like you just said, what am I gonna do with his moto?
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01:15:34
Yeah. I thought it was I was I thought it was silly at first, and then after a while, I’ll be like, Sai can’t do this. Yep. Yeah. I when before we opened up the comedy mothership in town, I was under contract for this place called the One World Theater that was also owned by a cult.
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01:15:49
Yeah. No way. Yeah. The One World Theater, you know where it is? No. It’s on Bee Cave. Well, this is what’s I don’t think about the story.
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01:15:56
Ron White performed there once because they have concerts there. And Ron White did stand up, and we were talking about opening up a club. And he said, you should buy that place down on Bee Cave. It’s the fucking shit. It’s a beautiful theater. I think it’s for sale. Yeah. I played there once.
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01:16:09
It’s amazing. I was like, alright. Well, Ron White’s the fucking man. If he tells me, I’ll go check it out. And I check it out, and I’m like, yeah.
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01:16:15
We could do this. Let’s do it. And so ai the contracts, all that. And then I get a call from my friend, Adam. He goes, hey.
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01:16:20
Did you ever watch the documentary on that cult? I’m like, oh, no. There’s a meh.
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Uh-huh.
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01:16:26
The documentary is called Holy Hell and it’s about a guy who’s a gay porn star and a hypnotist that was a yoga instructor.
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01:16:33
Oh ai. Check it out. Yep.
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01:16:35
So he’s a yoga instructor in Hollywood and then the cult in Waco gets taken down. Mhmm. And then he is on the run now because now the Cult Awareness Network starts going after all these cults after Waco. They’re like, hey, you know, people’s children are getting kidnapped essentially by these fucking maniacs and, you know, winds up being like Waco, we gotta stop these cults. Yeah.
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01:16:56
And so he moves to Austin and changes his name and, has a you know, this is the nineties. You could get away with changing your name. Yeah. Nobody no Internet. And so this guy has his followers build him this theater sai he can dance in front of them. Oh. The documentary is bananas.
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01:17:15
And I see the meh, I’m like, oh my god. I gotta get out of this. After I see the documentary, I’m like, I gotta get out of this deal. I gotta get and fortunately, there was a problem. Fortunately, there was a because, you know, you got a bunch of cult members building a place.
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They’re not gonna
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01:17:30
do it to code. No. And so it was Just
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like his residence.
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01:17:32
Yeah. There was a lot of Yeah. Shit that was wrong, a lot of wacky shah. They didn’t wanna pay for it. I’m like, let’s just
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01:17:38
Yeah. So
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01:17:38
it cost me a little bit of money, and I got out of it. And then we eventually got the writs on on Sixth Street. And that’s the perfect spot anyway. But did it was the thing of being in that building
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01:17:49
Yeah.
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01:17:49
Knowing what happened. I’m like, I can’t handle this.
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01:17:53
Different energy there.
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01:17:54
A 100 200 people wasted their life with this asshole for twenty fucking years, and there was a bunch of them crying at the end of the documentary. Like, I I lost my life. My life is meaningless now. Ai thought I was gonna be with them forever. Now Ai a dog walker. I’m like, oh meh god.
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01:18:12
I know.
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01:18:12
I can’t carry that in this club. I can’t feel it. Yeah.
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01:18:15
I know.
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01:18:15
I’d have to tear the
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building up. Yeah.
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01:18:18
Ai just thought it’d be silly. Yeah. Oh, building built by a cult. Perfect. We’ll take it. Yeah. But the reality is every cult winds up being the same thing. The guy wants all the money, and he wants to fuck everybody. It’s almost every one of them has the same profile.
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And fear based. Always.
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01:18:35
Always. Always fear based. Always everybody else is the enemy. I’m the solution. The nutty thing about this guy though is that he would do this thing to these people called the knowing, and you had to earn it. And when you earned it, it was this very special ceremonious moment, and he would put his hands on their head, and he would do something to them, and these people would feel God.
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01:18:56
They would experience God. And I know that it has to be some sort of a placebo effect or psychosomatic, some something where your your brain triggers this energy. But all these people that called him a fraud, that fucking hated him, I wasted meh, they all talked about that moment ai it was the greatest moment of their life still.
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01:19:17
They’re ai, I gained a connection to God and to the universe that to this day was the most profound and loving moment of my life. It’s ai, yeah, the guy was a total piece of shah, scam artist, con meh, ai. Everything was wrong, yet he was still capable of doing that thing to them.
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01:19:38
Condition them over years.
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01:19:41
Well, he had them thinking about the moment that it was gonna come one day, and then it would take it away from them. And then and then one person would get it, and they would all sit around and watch. And they’re like, when am I gonna get it? But when they got it, they would all be ai, no. It’s because we know that the brain produces Yeah. Psychedelic chemicals.
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01:20:00
And I guess you can trick it, which is Sai think what a near death experience is. I think a near death experience, your your body’s like, hey, it’s it’s over. Flood the gates. Yeah. And then Yeah. Right.
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It rolls through and then you, you know, you go down the the tunnel and light and all the jazz and you meet dead people.
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Yeah. Yeah. This is
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01:20:18
I think this is possible with everybody. You just have to achieve the right state of mind. Mhmm. I know people in Kundalini yoga, the people that are, like, heavy into it can fucking completely trip balls. Really?
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01:20:29
I had a
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buddy of mine who had done DMT.
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01:20:32
Oh, yeah. And then he really
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01:20:33
he done DMT a couple of ai, so he knew what the experience sai. And then he really got into Kundalini yoga. And he was doing it for, like, six months. And then
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01:20:40
What is Kundalini
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01:20:41
yoga? It’s a very specific kind of yoga that involves, like, deep breath work and there’s a lot of, like, head bobbing. It’s very strange, but it’s you achieve a DMT like state. He’s, like, you achieve a full on psychedelic experience doing Kundalini. I was ai, woah. And I’ve always thought about, like, trying it Mhmm. Practicing it.
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01:21:01
I’m like,
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01:21:02
Yeah. I don’t
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01:21:02
have the time.
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01:21:03
I don’t
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01:21:04
have the time. Yeah. Yeah. So I put this thing I’m just too busy. I can’t think about some new thing to be obsessed with, but but this my point is that there is some little trigger in your brain that if you can trick your brain into snapping over to on, it just
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01:21:19
I believe that part.
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01:21:22
This fucking cult guy did it to those people. Yeah. As much as they hated him, as much as they knew he was a ai, he fucked everybody. Yeah. The crazy thing is, like, they didn’t know that everybody was getting fucked. And so, like, one guy leaves the cult, and he sends out this group email.
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01:21:36
Like, hey, this guy has been hypnotizing me and fucking me for, like, ten years. And they’re all, like, I thought it was only me. Yeah. And then it became crazy where everybody had a story. Yeah. Everybody had a story.
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01:21:47
He would
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01:21:48
charge them money for these experiences, and then he’d fuck
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01:21:51
them. Of course.
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01:21:52
Jesus. Hilarious, but terrible. Yeah. And so I didn’t want that building. Sai, like, I didn’t want Koresh’s car.
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01:22:01
Let me look at that contract again. No.
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01:22:04
So when you were getting close and you wanted to pull out, was it just the heaviness
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of
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01:22:07
carrying around this guy’s weight?
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01:22:08
Yep. Yep. And then I called my manager, Steph, and she’s like, give it a day. And then the Doubtel brothers who wrote and directed, terrific ai. And, I called Sana. And I think one thing that set me free probably on month three because I was really stuck on everything we’ve just said of, like, why am I playing some guy that’s pretty fucking reprehensible in a lot of ways?
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01:22:38
But I sai ai person. Yeah. He did real damage Yeah. To people.
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01:22:42
But I was judging him. Yeah. And that was, like, really a big block for me because I couldn’t understand him more. And so once I started to not cast judgment or my own judgment on him and just ai to understand and root him, then I was like, okay. I’m gonna fly now of, like, this is his childhood. This is why he’s doing this. And so it’s your guys’ job can judge away and do all this.
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01:23:09
But for me to play this guy, I can’t bring that to him. Right. Right. Right.
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01:23:13
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:23:14
So that helped to be that piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta do it and try and root that.
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01:23:19
When you got done with the role, was it ai a thing that you had to cast off yourself? Like
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01:23:24
Bang Bang Club fucked me. I was hurting pretty bad after I didn’t know my process very well. And, you know, Kevin Carter was just really, really troubled. And he I think it was Mandrax, which is an animal tranquilizer that he would take. Oh, boy. Yeah. And he would have, night terrors and all this.
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01:23:46
There’s photos of him, like, they called it the bang bang because they had these police scanners. And once they would this is early nineties, in South Africa. And once they heard it on the scanner, it’s ai a bang bang. And they would be there a lot of times before the cops, ai, some kind of civil rights or civil fight would happen, and they would get hear it on the scanner, and they’d go ai Scooby Doo kinda shit.
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01:24:11
They’d get there before the cops a lot of time or the military, and they’d be in the middle of this shooting it, photographing it. And you see pics of Kev that are just like him in, like, one shoe ai, hiding behind, like, a fucking barrel in the middle of this gunfight. Like, they would get really into it.
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01:24:33
And then he was a guy that just kinda took everything to heart, you know, of just he would see some fucking pretty abysmal shit and just be ai, take it. You know? Wear it. And, it just hammered him. And so he would take these drugs and just to sleep and just to get over or get through it.
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01:24:51
But, yeah, that was really tough coming out of him just because I didn’t know myself enough or process be able to really kind
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01:25:01
of ai. Became a part of him?
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01:25:03
Yep. And then the weight and all that. And then with Dave yeah, I was so ready to gain the weight back and just wipe my hands with it. I always go on a motorcycle trip after, and that sets me free, helps me a lot. I’ll write letters and just burn them. That helps a lot. They say when you’re, like, if I get therapy or something or it’s, like, write a letter and literally watch it burn, and that is something like, that’s a a mind trick, I’m sure.
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01:25:35
Just, like, if there’s trauma or something
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01:25:37
figure out a way to let it go that
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01:25:38
way. Yeah.
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01:25:39
Like ram ceremonial
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01:25:40
purging. Exactly. Yeah.
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01:25:42
Yeah. So So that was bang bang was harder than Paresh? Yeah. On me. Because you would, like, not you hadn’t been used to carrying out someone else’s thoughts.
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01:25:52
Exactly. And that was the first time I started having really bad nightmares in South Africa. And, and I I just that started fucking with me a lot. And then I was really happy. It was only a a four week shoot.
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01:26:08
Did you try that tranquilizer, whatever the fuck it is? No. You know what it’s like?
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01:26:11
No. I’ve only smoked weed three times in my life. Nothing else? Nothing else.
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01:26:15
Little booze?
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01:26:16
Little booze. Yeah. Yeah. First time But
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01:26:20
just weed.
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01:26:21
Yeah. Wow. Savages, with Oliver Stone. Oh, no. So yeah.
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01:26:26
Oliver goes hard.
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01:26:27
He does.
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01:26:29
Ai was surprised he still smokes weed.
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01:26:31
Oh my god. Yeah. And, I was in rehearsal, and he asked meh, and I hadn’t smoked weed ever before.
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01:26:38
Oh my god.
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01:26:39
Yeah. And I’m playing this guy, this obviously speak, but that smokes weed, grows weed, sells weed, gets into the cartel.
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01:26:47
And you smoked with Oliver Stone the first time?
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01:26:49
No. My first time, he gave me some of his medicinal, and I went with a buddy who smokes weed all the ai. And Sai stayed at the Shangri La in Santa Monica while we were filming, and my buddy bought, brought over, a bong, a water bong.
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01:27:05
Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. That’s not how you do it. If you can do it the first time, this is what I tell you to do. Just go like this. That’s it.
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01:27:14
That’s it.
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01:27:14
Just a little hit. You gotta dip your toes in there. Drug is is, also known as Quaaludes. Oh, interesting. That’s what Quaaludes are. Wow. Quaaludes is a brand name for
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01:27:28
it. What does it say it’s it’s doing to your brain?
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01:27:32
It’s a muscle relaxant or insomnia. How do you say the word? Meh quaalone? Methoquaal. Yeah. Quaalone. Combination of ai known as mandrax, sold primarily in Europe containing two hundred and fifty milligrams of meh and twenty milligrams of diphenhydramine diphenhydramine?
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01:27:55
In a single tablet.
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01:27:56
Oh. That is not Commercial production was discontinued in many countries during the night mid nineteen eighties due to widespread misuse, addiction, and associated public health concerns. Yeah. You know when a popular drug gets pulled, it’s pretty bad.
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01:28:13
Yeah. That was no joke.
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01:28:14
So just because that was the first time you’d ever tried carrying around someone’s thoughts, that was why it was because he was so fucked up.
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01:28:20
Meh. And I was that actor where it was, like, I gotta be in trauma too then. Right.
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01:28:25
Right. Right. Right. Definitely. Real. Yeah. But it comes out. That’s the fuck
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01:28:30
out thing.
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01:28:30
He comes out in the role. Like, it seems real. Mhmm. Like, as nutty as Daniel Day Lewis’ process is, when that motherfucker is that guy and there will be blood, you believe it. I drink your milkshake. He’s fucking there, man. He’s dialed in. He’s the best. But it’s just that process vatsal gotta be fucking soul crushing. Yeah. Because you lose you. Definitely.
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01:28:54
You lose you, and now you’re some fucked up person Yeah. Like David Koresh.
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01:28:59
Yeah. You’re trying ai, living in a fucking mini hotel room in South Africa. Jeez. Like, lonely as fuck. Yeah. It’s no joke. That was no joke. But Ai I’ve learned my process a lot more.
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01:29:14
Did you have to refine it on your own? Did you get help with it?
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01:29:17
It was Waco that really kinda set me straight in my process, really helped me figure out, like, my meh because it’s all self exploratory shit as well as is acting. And, and then, you’re just way more conscious of it of, like, okay. Like, even with relationships of, like, okay.
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01:29:36
That’s I I can get quite short, like, be like, true detective, I was oddly an asshole through the whole thing. And I had my best friend of thirty years with me helping me on that, and I was drinking like a to blackout and that’s not me Ai don’t drink much but I was just a fucking mess and my buddy was is like played in the NHL AHL was a fighter like he would fucking murder me
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01:30:03
And you would get shitty with him. Really shitty with him. And I would poke him, man. That’s booze, bro. I know. Booze is the worst.
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01:30:13
I know, man. It’s the worst for that. So many drunk
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01:30:16
people get themselves into situations that they really should not be in. And I would
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01:30:21
poke them, meh, and we go to the shithole bar. It’s called Sports Harbor. I don’t even know if it’s open anymore, but I would fuck around.
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01:30:28
Mhmm.
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01:30:29
And, I didn’t have to find out, but I definitely was getting that really I was conscious of it, and he would have to have a moment with me of, like, hey, you said this last night or
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01:30:40
Do you think it was partly because you’re trying to play detective and detectives are kind
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01:30:45
of all fucked up. In the closet, just a mess.
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01:30:50
So do you think that’s what it was? Like Yeah.
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01:30:52
I do. Yeah. Because after I shed it, or after it wrapped, I was with my sis right after, but I was fine. I didn’t touch anything. But during, I was no bueno. Wow. Even getting ready for this, it’s I play this, director of corrections in Texas. It’s a true story about, the longest hostage situation in in The US in a prison.
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01:31:17
It’s eleven day hostage negotiation, and Freddy Carrasco is gonna be played by Luna, Diego Luna, who’s I can’t wait to see what he fucking does with this. But, I play the director of corrections, so we’re negotiating, though, for eleven days. And I and he’s gotta be quite hard on his in on the guys in his war room.
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01:31:39
And he kinda comes in and he takes over the negotiation, and he’s never done a negotiation before. So he makes a mistake here or there, and he he fucking pays the piper psychologically for it because it doesn’t end great. And and so I’m starting to get into that mindset and when I’m with a buddy or something like that, I can be quite short and you start to see it filtering in.
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01:32:06
I’m like, okay. Gym is settling in me. Like, I can start to feel it a little bit more. I get a little more reactionary. Yeah.
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01:32:15
Yeah. That’s so creepy. Yeah. It was because it’s like you’re getting haunted. You’re kind of getting haunted by your characters. But that’s dude, that’s why you’re so good.
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01:32:25
Ai.
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01:32:25
I I think that’s there’s something to that, man, because you’re fucking believable. You know, like, I’ve seen you in a bunch of movies, but it doesn’t matter whatever the fuck you’re doing, I believe even though I know, oh, that’s Taylor Kitsch. Yeah. I’ve seen him in saloni survivor.
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01:32:38
I’ve seen
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01:32:38
him in this. I’ve seen him in that. When you’re in that Mhmm. Like, the same as the the Daniel Day Lewis thing, that’s he’s that guy. Yeah. He’s that fucking guy. Yeah. And even though you know who he is, that’s how good he is. Yep. That he’s still that guy even though you know who the fuck that is.
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01:32:52
Oh, I know.
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01:32:53
It’s like the trick works.
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01:32:55
That fucking monologue Vatsal Day has on the porch where he’s like, I don’t to
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01:32:59
his brother, I think it is, where he goes, I
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01:33:00
don’t like people. Yeah. Oh. All fucking time. Yeah. He is the best to do it.
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01:33:08
Such a complicated character he played too. I know. There was so much to it.
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01:33:12
He’s he’s got something coming out soon too. His son, I think, directed it, which is gonna be a fucking banger. I I think he plays a soldier that comes back or Oh, I saw a trailer. Yeah.
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01:33:24
That’s right. I saw a trailer recently. Yeah. That fucking thing of carrying a guy around like that, whether it’s the detective or Koresh or the bang bang ai, it’s like, that’s gotta be fucking exhausting. Yeah. Because you’re ai real light in real life. You’re friendly and ai, hey, what’s up? How you doing? Ai was because I didn’t know.
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01:33:44
I didn’t know what you’re gonna be like. Everybody’s different, you know.
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01:33:47
I heard horror stories of you.
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01:33:52
Have you really? No. No. No. I tried to be nice. But, you know I
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01:33:56
was just with, Sheridan the other day.
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01:33:59
Oh, Taylor? I love that guy.
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01:34:00
Yeah, man. I fucking love him. And, of course, Pete and every arya, everyone’s ai, you’re gonna have a fucking blast.
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Yeah. No. For sure. Everybody told me that about you too.
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Oh, great.
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Yeah. But, you know, you don’t know. I don’t know until you hit someone. But that I’m glad I didn’t meet you while you’re on full the untrue detective in full character, you know, because full character’s fucking crazy. You’re kind of haunted.
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Yeah. You gotta live it. You gotta live it. I think I mean, you look at anybody that’s great at anything. You have to that it’s amount it’s the amount of sacrifice you’re willing to give to it.
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01:34:32
Yeah. You have to be Truly. All in all the time.
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And I think it’s that, like, the fear of failure and also Ai don’t wanna fucking watch it and be like, oh, catch you didn’t.
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01:34:40
Right. Right. Right. That would
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kill me. Right.
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Right.
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That would fucking kill me.
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01:34:44
Yeah. The the watching a guy phone it in is the worst feeling as a a consumer of the shah. Yeah. Like ai a a, you know, passenger on the ride watching someone phone it in like Yeah. No, dude. Do another take.
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01:34:59
Yeah. That’s
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01:35:00
the one that you keep. Motherfucker. What are you doing? You going through a divorce?
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01:35:04
Yeah.
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Like, what’s what’s going on, man? They’re
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out there, man.
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01:35:07
You can’t can’t lock
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in.
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Yeah. I’ve worked with some pretty fucking huge names that have apologized
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01:35:14
Yeah.
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After a a film or at the premiere or something that were ai, hey, I’m Sai I’m sorry, man. I just wasn’t there. That’s crazy. Ai, in my head, I’m like, no. I know.
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01:35:23
Yeah. Oh, I had Charlie Sheen on yesterday.
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01:35:26
No way.
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Yeah. And he was talking about his time doing anger management, about he was still really fucked up and just doing way too many drugs, and he was trying to be locked in, but he was. And he just didn’t do it. And then he want didn’t wanna do it anymore. So he was miserable while he was there, and he’s all fucked up.
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And and he’s, like, apologizing to everybody now. I was, like, I am so Really? Yeah.
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01:35:46
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:35:47
He’s a sweetheart of a ai. Like, sai really nice guy.
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01:35:49
He’s sober
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01:35:50
a lot. Woah. Almost eight
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01:35:51
years. Amazing.
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01:35:52
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. But, you you know, you can see the itch behind his eyes. Right. You know, that’s a struggle. That sober is a struggle sober. Yeah. Because that guy went through it for so many years. Yeah. The stories he was telling about, like, literally how 1AM to 7AM would go by like that.
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01:36:10
And then all of a sudden, someone was pounding on his door. It’s time to go to work. He’s like, I am high as fuck on crack. And he goes, and so I have to lie in bed. So he’d lie in bed. I try to close my eyes. He goes, I’m not taking a nap.
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01:36:21
He goes, I’m cracked out of my mind. My whole body’s vibrating. And he goes, and then I took a ice cube, and I stuck it up my ass. Get out of here. And the ice cube woke him up
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Come on.
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01:36:32
And got him back. Like, he was literally falling asleep on the meh, and he sai, give me a couple minutes, and he shoved an ice cube up his ass. Fuck.
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01:36:44
That movie ai.
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01:36:45
So Bro, that guy went
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01:36:47
sai far. That out. You know, you’re just going to
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01:36:50
the fridge. I gotta wake up. He’s literally falling asleep. How do I wake up? I shove an ice cube up
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01:36:55
my ass.
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01:36:56
Like, where does it work? What were the other choices? Yeah. Stick a fork into electric ai. How did you get to an ice cube up your asshole? Oh my god. But he was going that hard. And, you know, it just
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01:37:11
He’s so lucky he didn’t die. So Where the uppers and downers and everything.
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01:37:16
The crack. Well, people that he the girl he smoked crack with the first time he ever smoked crack with eventually overdosed. He told a story about the first time he smoked crack. Brutal. This girl who’s a crackhead, she gave him a blow job while he took his first hit of crack. He said, to this day, I can’t top that experience.
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01:37:33
He goes, to this sai. He goes, I probably shouldn’t say that. He goes
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01:37:36
Yeah.
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01:37:37
To this day, this is the greatest moment of my life. Wow. Holy shit.
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01:37:42
Like, oh meh god. Isn’t there a doc on him that just came out? Yeah.
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01:37:46
That’s what it’s about. Yeah. He he wrote a book ai he did a doc.
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01:37:49
Oh, he did? Yeah. And that’s doing movies again. Is he?
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01:37:53
Yes. He’s excited to be working again. He’s kinda a little bummed out that it took so long for him to get a job again. But Wow. Yeah. I I mean, you know Yeah.
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01:38:00
He
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got a lot of ai. Yeah. A lot of money. It’s a
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01:38:04
lot of insurance on the studio. Yeah.
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01:38:06
But now he’s sober for eight years.
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01:38:07
So I believe Wow.
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01:38:08
Good for him. Holy shit. What does
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01:38:10
he look? 60 now?
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01:38:11
He’s in the sixties. He actually looks good. Does he? So for a long time, he looked terrible. And I said to him, I go, dude, you look better than I’ve seen you. I mean, I hadn’t seen him ever in real life. It was the first time I ever met him. But it was he looked good. He looked healthy.
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01:38:24
Ai, remarkable for a guy that’s gone through
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01:38:27
That’s fucking abused.
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01:38:29
Twenty years of redlining the machine. Just
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01:38:37
Damn. Twenty years of ram. I’m gonna watch that doc.
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01:38:41
Oh, it’s the doc is great. It’s really entertaining too. It’s really well shot. It’s really well shot. Yeah. Really well edited. And I mean, that story is
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01:38:48
pretty epic.
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01:38:49
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, March.
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01:38:51
March arya the fucking one.
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01:38:52
Yeah. Damn. No. We talked about Apocalypse Now too,
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01:38:56
which is really crazy because
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he was on the set when he was eight years old. Eight or 10? 10? 10. 10 years old. So he’s 10 years old in The Philippines on the set of Apocalypse Now while it’s being filmed. Yeah. Helicopters, fucking Robert Duvall, everything.
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01:39:13
Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Dude, he was there. 10.
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01:39:16
Oh my god.
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01:39:18
And your dad’s Martin Sheen, like, whole
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01:39:20
bunch of back then too. Dude, I love
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01:39:22
that movie so much. I wear this watch. This is the Willard. This is a this is a reproduction of the watch that Martin Sheen wore in Apocalypse Now. Yeah. Sick. It’s my favorite watch. Yeah. Because of that. Yeah. Just because, well, it’s a nice watch. It’s a Seiko.
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01:39:35
But, like, they all the Vietnam soldiers all got Seikos because they were, like, super durable and reliable. Look at that. Oh, ai god. I’m sure I didn’t fucking get it in there, but Oh, my god. On the set of Apocalypse Now on here. In 1979. That is crazy.
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01:39:54
Oh, how old was Martin Sheen then?
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01:39:57
Looks pretty young.
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01:39:58
Yeah. I mean What a legend, though.
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01:40:00
He seemed like in the movies in his early thirties. Right?
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01:40:03
Damn.
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01:40:05
Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. I mean And you wonder ai? And then ten years later, literally meh years later, he’s doing Platoon Oh my god. Which is the next, like, epic Yeah. War movie. Oliver Stone’s directed. Willem Dafoe. Willem Dafoe. Who’s the other guy?
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01:40:23
The other guy who
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01:40:24
was scarfing. Tom, who is it?
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01:40:28
Yes. Dude, that guy ruled in that movie. He did. He seemed so scary.
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01:40:33
Yeah. Willem’s an amazing guy. Amazing.
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01:40:35
Yeah. That guy’s I love that bryden everything. He was great in John Wick. He’s great in everything.
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01:40:40
He really is.
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He’s great in everything. Yeah. Willem Dafoe is the fucking man.
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01:40:43
Yeah.
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But, like, to to be there at ten, watching your dad filming the Apocalypse Now, and then ten years later, you’re in Platoon. And Oliver North is directing you, and your narration Oh, excuse me. Oliver Oliver North. That’s hilarious. Oliver Stone is directing you, and you’re doing the narration.
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Like, the whole thing is
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nuts.
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01:41:02
Ten years. How do you adjust to that?
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01:41:04
No. You don’t. Well, that’s how you adjust to it. One word. Yeah. Crack.
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01:41:10
Ai, it took a while
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01:41:11
for crack. His drug of choice.
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01:41:13
It was crack. Coke. When that girl blow him when the girl gave him a blowjob while he was smoking crack, it was crack from then on out. I was like, I get it now.
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01:41:20
It’s a hard sell. Damn.
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01:41:22
It’s just crazy that it’s crazy that he’s alive. Yeah. But all one of the things that we’re saying that I was talking to him about, I was ai, no one could understand what you went through because no one has ever done that. No one has ever been Charlie Sheen at 20 years old and been in platoon and you’re the toast to the town and you’re a baby. Yeah.
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01:41:40
You know, you’re just getting out of high school, you know, ai, what?
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01:41:43
A baby.
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01:41:44
Yeah. And then the world’s your oyster.
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01:41:47
You’re
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01:41:47
you’re doing blow every ai. It’s chaos. Just nuts. You’re off the rails, and every time you fail, you succeed better. Ai, every every time you go into rehab, there’s a better movie waiting for you on the other side. There’s no consequences career wise. God. And he just keeps going hard.
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01:42:03
Baseball movie. God. I love it. Major League. Oh.
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01:42:06
Oh, he was awesome in that movie. Yeah.
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01:42:09
Yeah. I grew up watching that.
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01:42:10
Yeah. Dude, that guy that guy’s been in some great fucking movies. He’s been in some great fucking movies. But to be him and to, you know, to no. There’s no blueprint for that kind of thing.
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01:42:21
What was his bottom out? Did he tell you?
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01:42:25
He kind of it like, there was a bunch of bottoms out.
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01:42:28
Yeah. Losing And
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01:42:29
then eventually Two
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01:42:29
and a half meh or something.
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01:42:31
Yeah. It was that and there was his behavior afterwards. And then Yeah. He did he he very apologized to Chuck Lorre. He says, we’ve talked. I’ve apologized. We’re friends now. Thank God. Like, because I ai Does
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01:42:41
he live in LA?
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01:42:43
Charlie?
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01:42:44
I wonder.
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01:42:45
Meh what he said?
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01:42:46
Out. I
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01:42:46
don’t think he said. Yeah. I don’t think I asked him. I don’t know if he’s still there. But he’s been completely sober for eight years.
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01:42:53
Good for him.
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01:42:53
Yeah. Good for him. Holy shit. Like, if he can do
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01:42:55
it Yeah. No shit.
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01:42:56
Fucking Zach, I could do it. And he seems to get it. Oh, look at that. Both
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01:43:00
of them back.
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01:43:00
The Behringer was in that too. That’s right. That’s crazy that they put that completely different roles. Beringer and Platoon was so scary. Yeah. Scared the fuck out of me. Damn. I was I
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01:43:12
love that shit.
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01:43:13
Yeah. It’s just amazing that that guy’s life arc to go from Yeah. Being a child on the set of Apocalypse Now to ten years later starring in I
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01:43:21
think Apocalypse was ai a two year shoot. Three.
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01:43:25
Yeah. No. We’re talking about it yesterday. Yeah. Ai thought it was even more than that. I think the entire
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production asking for money too.
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01:43:31
To forever.
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01:43:31
Yeah.
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01:43:32
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Francis Ford Coppola, man. Come on. He nailed it. He nailed it. He did. To this day, I will watch that movie every now and then and just sit there and go, fuck.
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01:43:41
Back then too to make a movie like that. Yeah.
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01:43:44
In ’79.
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01:43:45
Oh ai. Come on,
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01:43:47
man. That movie was epic. Yeah. And it was, like, one of the first, like, realistic war movies.
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01:43:52
Then you
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01:43:53
got Platoon, like you said.
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01:43:54
Yeah. Epic.
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01:43:55
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s crazy that he’s, you know, he experienced both of them. One is a child watching his dad and one is a star arya all within the span of a decade.
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01:44:04
Yeah.
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01:44:04
Which is like Ai 2015 was yesterday, man.
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01:44:07
Ai know.
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01:44:08
That’s the
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01:44:08
sai. Formative years. Yeah. ’10.
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01:44:11
Yeah. ’10.
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01:44:12
What were you doing in ’10?
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01:44:14
It wasn’t in The Philippines. Yeah. That was the other thing. He was ai, we I didn’t know that that world existed. He goes ai, I was living in Malibu, you know, in this beautiful town on the beach, you know. Everybody’s, like, happy and wealthy, and his his dad’s a movie shah. Yeah. Then vatsal of a sudden, he’s in The Philippines.
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01:44:30
And he’s, like, in fact, before Coppola had all these sketchy people on set all the time. Like, he’s sai artist. He’s not like, ai come on and
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01:44:37
hang out.
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01:44:38
Like, there’s all these weird fucking people around
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01:44:40
and Three year fucking shoot.
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01:44:42
Yeah. In the jungle.
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01:44:43
Yeah. Literally.
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01:44:44
Using helicopters from the arya. And he was saying that one time the army had to take the helicopters back because they there’s rebels and there was a Oh
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01:44:51
ai had to search and see. Yeah.
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01:44:52
They had to borrow the helicopters.
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01:44:55
There’s another movie.
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01:44:56
They had the whole scene rigged. They had the the the river was rigged with explosives. Oh my god. They’re ready to film the scene and they were ai, no, we need our helicopters back.
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01:45:04
Holy fuck, man.
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01:45:06
We need to go kill some people. That’s old school movie making, though. Wow, man. I mean, if you could go back in time to be on the set of any movie ever, what
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01:45:15
would it be? Damn. I mean, I’ve got to I had dinner with Gibson one night, Mel Gibson, and I’ve worked with, what’s his Bryden Gleeson. So maybe Braveheart. That was a big one for me.
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01:45:35
That was a big one. Yeah. Boy, that was the one that made everybody sana sword fight outdoors. She’s gonna go fuck something up Totally. Meh out of that movie. Truly.
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01:45:44
God damn it. Big. When he sees freedom at the end of it? I mean, come on. Or when they when the, when he the king pulls his he pulls the the helmet off the king and he sees he’s fighting for the other sai, and then you cut to Gibson, there’s those fucking blue eyes that are trying he’s trying to register that it’s the king, his king.
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01:46:04
And that moment for me was just ai, oh my god. Yeah. Just beautiful.
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01:46:10
Yeah. Mel Gibson can make a fucking He really can. He really can. You know what I watched again recently? Apocalypto.
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01:46:18
Amazing. Sai, by the way.
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01:46:21
Not it’s a blockbuster movie that where no one speaks English.
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01:46:24
Yep. And no big movie stars.
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01:46:26
Yeah. No big movie stars. No one speaks English. It’s fucking amazing.
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01:46:31
It is.
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01:46:32
And he used, like, real people that lived there.
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01:46:34
Yeah. Good for
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01:46:36
him, man. Good for him.
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01:46:37
What a fucking swing.
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01:46:38
Yeah. He’s a fascinating guy. Like, his brain is, like, he’s just rattling all over the place all the time. First time he’s on the podcast, he had a pen and he couldn’t stop clicking it.
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01:46:47
Oh, god.
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01:46:47
Like, the entire time, he said click click click click click click click. You fucking crazy person. Put the pen down. Oh, man. That was
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01:46:56
a cool dinner, though. He told me, some stories of Braveheart
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01:47:00
Wow.
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01:47:00
Of just riding the horse to all these cameras. Ai, ripping the horse to one camera, seeing the shot, going to the next, seeing the shot, going in, doing the speech, going looking to playback. Wow.
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01:47:11
Just like
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01:47:11
and then he’s, like, falling asleep standing up. He was so tired. Like, that’s, like, epic Yeah. Stuff. And talk about realism. Like, those fights
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01:47:21
Oh, no. They were horrible. Still holds up.
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01:47:23
Yeah. That soundtrack. Come on.
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01:47:26
Shah was an incredible movie.
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01:47:27
Like, my dad played the bagpipes. He played actually in the world championships in ’95 in Scotland. Really?
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01:47:35
Yeah. From Canada? Yeah. Went to Scotland? Yep. Wow.
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01:47:38
And then, he, so the pipes to me like, I remember he was an alcoholic and not a lot. He wasn’t around a lot. And, he, I remember some of my best memories sai, like, you know the fucking sound of the pipes when you’re putting air in? It’s the worst sound in the world. It’s like a rabbit, like, getting bludgeoned.
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01:48:01
And we would be at Christmas vatsal my cousins, his side of the family, and he would walk downstairs, and you could hear this these fucking pipes getting air put in. And you could tell he had a few, and he was he would come up and stand in the middle of the living room and just rip the pipes.
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01:48:20
And everyone’s just, like, full stop and just beautiful. And he’d play in in Barbados. He worked in Barbados doing a lot of, like, the the pavers, the golf pass, and he’d play at funerals. Wow. And when, How did
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01:48:35
he do in the world championships?
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01:48:37
I don’t know. That’s a good question, but it’s a great story. So ai, I was fly fishing in, the Madison, just West Yellowstone. I had four days off. So I went home to Bozeman, was fly fishing. Only my favorite spot on the in West Yellowstone. My bro calls me, and he’s and I’m like, I just caught, like, a 20 inch rainbow or something.
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01:48:59
And I’m fucking ripping into my brother being like, this fucking I’m killing it. The rod’s on fire right now. And he’s like, so my dad raced cars as well. And his race car name or his we called him Gooey growing up. And he’s like, Gooey’s got forty eight hours to live. And I was like, shah, fuck. Alright.
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01:49:20
Literally, just verbatim like that. Like, I saw him the last nineteen years, I saw him twice. And one time was in Montana, and he had early onset meh, and, my brother drove him down. Great stories there. But so I drive.
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01:49:35
I take ai adventure van, drive up to Kelowna, my hometown, and I’ve got this big beard from ai. And I hadn’t talked to one of my brothers in years, and then I was still close with the oldest and get to the hospital, and he’s, I turn his wheelchair around. And I’m like, hey hey, Gooey. And he’s like, who the fuck are you? Woah. Yeah. And, he’s on, like, bryden, and I’m like, I’m your youngest son.
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01:50:07
And he’s like, what are you doing here? And I’m like, I’m just here to say hi and and hang out for a couple days. And he was, like, on point. Like, his brain was going. And, and it was a little, like, I hadn’t seen my one bro forever.
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01:50:23
So How
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long had it been since you’d seen him before that?
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01:50:26
Years. A couple years.
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01:50:28
Yeah. Probably two years. And is it dementia that he didn’t recognize you or the beard?
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01:50:32
No. The beard. It was the beard. And I was limping with that fucking toe. And, so, we go up to his room. This is a Friday at noon ish, and he’s great, though. Like so we have this young doctor who’s, like, 40. Great guy. I go and sit down with him. He’s ai I’m like, dude, he’s dialed. Like, what do you mean he’s gonna fucking die? Like, he’s on point. And, he’s like, this is what happens.
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01:51:05
Sometimes when somebody like this, he doesn’t know he’s dying, but he is once like, all three of us brothers, all three of his sons were there, and it’s like a high. And everything, he’s just dialed into it all. He’s just very present. Because everybody’s there. Yeah.
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01:51:24
And he’s like the doc is like, man, I have a feeling all three sons haven’t been together with him, and I’m like, in twenty five years. And so we were all there, and I had my assistant back in, Santa Fe. And I was like, hey. My dad played for Kelowna ai band. And I was like, call her. I’m like, you gotta help me here. Get a ai and to come play for him at the hospital, and she’s ai, on it.
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01:51:53
And she was great. And, the next the next or Friday night, I’m like, Gooey, what do you want for breakfast? And he’s like, give me something I shouldn’t have. Give meh, like, a fucking Costco muffin and, and a stupid amount of whipped cream and a coffee. And so, of course, I go overboard and bring him this fucking the big chocolate chip muffin and and, the coffee in the next morning, but he had gone from, like, dialed to he’s hurting.
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And, so we got this piper to come. We fucking we’re not allowed to do this. We bring him out in the courtyard, and, and the piper comes, and he’s asleep. And she’s like, what do you what do you want me to play? Like, we they know of my dad that he had played for the Kelowna ai band, and and I’m like, I don’t know many songs.
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01:52:44
And, I just obviously, Amazing Grace and stuff like that. And so she just rips it, and he wakes up. And we’re all buckled emotionally. Right? Because this whole the pipes to us is just ai that’s our father. That’s ai our only memory, one of our only memories for him.
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01:53:01
So, she plays two songs, and he’s fallen asleep again. And he wakes up, and he’s and I’m like, Gooey, you got one more song. And he’s like, okay. He was a mama’s boy, loved his mom, and, and she was amazing. And, he’s like, play one for my mother.
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01:53:18
So I think at that point, he knew he was about to go see her. And, yeah. So we have all this on video, and and, his brother was there and his wife and, his best friend growing up. And so we fucking the nurse comes out after the pipes. They’re not obviously, the whole fucking hospital can hear this.
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And so we’re obviously got caught, and she’s ai, bring him up now. And so we’re like, yes. Yes, ma’am. So we fucking have him in his bryden, and you know those, like, wheelchair ramps?
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01:53:54
Uh-huh.
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01:53:54
It’s ai a hard 90 degree. He’s out. He’s sleeping. And my middle I’m the youngest of three boys. My middle bro’s big. And then my other bro’s, like, six two, big boy two. And we’re fucking we got him, and we’re stuck in that turn. So now it’s, like, weekend at Bernie’s. We’re like and this is, like, a a pain movie where it’s, like, he’s fucking I’m like, hey. Gooey’s stuck. Boys, he’s stuck.
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01:54:25
We can’t get over this fucking corner because the bed’s too long. And, we’re dying like we needed a laugh. And, so I looked down, and Gui’s arm is, like, fucking crooked jammed in that bar.
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01:54:41
Oh,
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no. Yeah. So I’m like, oh, woah. Woah. Back up a bit. So we back, loosen up, and it’s ai, it’s not broken, but we he didn’t feel any of this shit. So we’re, like, crying laughing because it’s ai a weekend at fucking Bernie’s. It’s our dark humor, man. Right. You gotta laugh in those moments. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:55:01
I get sad Yeah. Because other we were just buckled ten minutes earlier. Get him to the room, and he’s in and out sleeping. And, the next day on Father’s Day, I had I had to drive back to Bozeman, and, we have dark humor. And, so everyone’s in the in the room, and I’m like, alright. Get the fuck out of this ram.
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01:55:27
Everybody, like like a joke, but the nurses are like, oh my god. What happened? Ai like, oh, I’m sorry. It’s a joke. I just want ten minutes with him, and then I gotta go. I gotta go back to work, but I’m gonna say goodbye.
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01:55:39
And so they leave, and, he’s, like, kind of in and out of consciousness, and he would wake up and look right through you. Like, he’s trying to be with you or present or well, I don’t know. That’s kinda how I took it. And, he’s fighting consciousness, I guess.
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01:55:56
Mhmm.
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01:55:57
And, small little side note, I was driving and the shaman who was helping me for primeval, he texted me once I got into Canada, and he was like, hey. I had a dream. You gotta fucking call me. And I’m like, I don’t know if I believe this stuff, but I’ll I’ll call you. And so I call him, and he’s like, hey. Something’s up. And I’m like, I’ve told three people that my dad’s going.
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01:56:27
And he’s like, I had a fucking dream that you’re about to lose someone. I don’t know if they’re close to you, and I hate calling. This is a crazy call, but I’m gonna listen to this. And I’m like, man, I’m on my way to say goodbye to my dad. He goes, okay.
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01:56:40
That’s what it is. Yeah.
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01:56:42
And How weird is that? Yeah. What is that?
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01:56:45
I know. I don’t know what that is. I’m still and, he’s like, how like, tell me about your dad. What what kind of guy was he? I’m like, not very present. He drank a lot and, you know, some regrets, of course, and, this and that. And he goes, okay. I’m gonna set up an altar and pray for him, and this is what I think is gonna happen.
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01:57:07
He’s not gonna go crossover very easily because of the life he’s lived. And so when I’m one on one with my dad, I started the conversation. I’m like, Gooey, it’s meh. And, out. And he had, soft hands. That’s one thing I remember. So I grabbed his hand and our humor. I’m like, yeah.
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01:57:31
These are a little fucking soft, Gooey. Like, maybe you should’ve worked harder. Like, no calluses. Like, nothing.
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01:57:39
Just, you know, just ai to
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01:57:41
and then I went into, like, the nonprofit, and I’m gonna do this, and I’m gonna try and give back and this and that, and I promised him. And, and during that conversation, he would try and, like, be conscious, and he was fighting to be there bryden.
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01:57:58
Yeah.
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But he was, I think, gone.
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01:58:00
Yeah.
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01:58:01
And then two hours, I I left. And then I on the way home, Ai broke all, and he had passed on Father’s Day. And then, then I was back to work on Tuesday, fucking riding banana bread Wow. My horse. Yeah. With, like, Shah Whigham, who’s an amazing actor. He played Jim Bridger in that. But, yeah, Pete was great with me on that.
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01:58:22
Did that help you, like, hold a feeling of loss for your your character?
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01:58:26
I think it I mean, how crazy art simulating life and vice vatsal. Especially in the beginning. Ai. Morning
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01:58:34
Right. And then
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01:58:35
all of a sudden, like, my father who I didn’t really have died, but it’s still your dad. You know? Yeah. And, and Pete was like, hey. This you know, do you wanna ride banana bread into this into this shot or walk them? Or And, I’m like, I’ll I’ll ride them in. And I was doing a a scene with Shah Whigham, and it was beautiful because I was upset that some knew that it’s my news to tell, you know, but some had already knew the crew.
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01:59:04
Uh-huh. So I was a little rattled at that when I got to set because everyone was very fragile with me, which I understand.
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01:59:11
Right.
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01:59:11
But I was like, whoever told you guys, it’s not your story to fucking tyler. It’s mine if I wanna share it with the crew or whoever. But so I was a little upset on on sai, but then a lot it was so beautiful, meh, because a lot of these older guys on set would just come up and be like, man, my father was this guy to me, this guy, but, you know, I just I feel you.
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01:59:32
And they would share all their father stories. So it was a beautiful experience, and, Pete was great, and Betty Gilpin was amazing. And in that scene, I just buckled, like, walked away from the, Fort Bridger, and I just was pretty emotional. And and, Pete was ai, amazing. And then we shot the scene. He’s like, go home.
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01:59:56
And then I got to my tyler, and literally to the minute, of when I went down, that was the minute he got cremated. Wow. Yeah. And then, but I do think it it was really cathartic to be playing that ai, and then I had a beautiful sweat after. And I mourned him the right way. You know? It did knock me, though, for, like, I’d say six months after. I was like, what am I doing?
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02:00:25
Am I doing everything or enough? Am I living my life enough? Because even if he’s not in your life, you’re still, like to witness that is it was heavy.
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02:00:36
Yeah.
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02:00:37
But I had mourned him right and, you know, I’m in a good spot now, but it it was an interesting thing of you just take stock, I guess. I’ve never lost somebody close to me, especially in that way. So, yeah, it was just a a blessing to be still on set working and doing that.
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02:00:57
Yeah. Sometimes you just need to appreciate people and sometimes it takes a loss before you appreciate others sometimes. It’s just ai you just get too used to people. You get too used to them being around. You take them for granted. Yep. And then if they’re gone, you just
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02:01:14
That’s you know what, Joe? That’s what I was fucking literally saying. He’s just gone.
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02:01:19
When I ai
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02:01:20
Just like that.
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02:01:20
Lived in New York, at a best friend that was a drug addict. And, he was a ram addict at one point in ai. And then, later, he started getting into, hard stuff ai opiates and Yeah. And he died of an overdose. And, I moved to LA in ’94, but, you know, we stayed friends. We hung out.
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02:01:41
He would come out to visit meh I go to visit him, but he was always fucked up. He was always a mess. Came to my house once detoxed. I didn’t know that that’s why he wanted to come to LA. Yeah. But he came to LA and he was just so sick.
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02:01:52
He just laid in bed for four or five days. Brutal. And then, you know, a couple days later, he had to go back to New York. But he, died of an overdose and, another buddy of mine that I’m good friends with called me out that we’re we’re all ai together. He called me up and it just never made sense. Sai was ai, how is he not here? Yeah. How is he gone?
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02:02:11
Like, it it just it just fucked me up where I knew he was gonna die.
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02:02:16
Mhmm. I knew
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02:02:16
it was gonna happen, but I couldn’t believe it happened. Mhmm. And then, you know, you gotta go back to work.
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02:02:22
I know.
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02:02:23
Back to life, you know, just and you feel sai, like, a piece of you is missing. Yeah. Ai, the world doesn’t make sense.
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02:02:31
Truly. A
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02:02:31
person isn’t in the world anymore. It’s so hard to imagine until it actually happens. So abstract almost.
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02:02:39
And like you said, even if like, I sai I had enough time to understand he was going. Right. But when they’re gone, it’s just totally different.
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02:02:47
Yeah.
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02:02:48
Yeah. And then you just take stock and you’re like, okay. I got am I doing enough? Am I whatever it is. It’s just You
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02:02:54
tell people you appreciate them sometimes. Yeah. That’s sometimes that’s all it takes.
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02:02:58
You forgave them. Yeah. Like, I didn’t hold I wasn’t that son that was ai, fuck. Where were you? Why didn’t you do this for me? Blah blah blah. I ai
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02:03:05
He is who he is.
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02:03:06
Yep. And you learn that as you get older.
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02:03:09
Yeah. People are who they arya. And some people also, they grew up with monsters.
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02:03:13
Yeah.
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02:03:14
That’s the other problem. If you try to pretend that, you know, your parents should have their shit together because you have your shit together and they were your parents. No. Who raised them? They were raised by people living in the depression. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. They were raised by animals. Yeah. Ai, Yeah.
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02:03:31
We’ve we’ve only been truly ai. Truly. Humans have only been truly civilized for the last few decades.
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02:03:38
Truly.
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02:03:39
I think most of history is just horrific barbarism. It’s just slaughter and Yeah. And ai. And repeat. And repeat. Yeah. Yeah. Over and over and over again until we developed the ability to communicate how bad that is.
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02:03:54
And it doesn’t fix it.
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02:03:56
It it fixes it a little. It gets it makes it a little better. But still still, even today, you know, there’s
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02:04:05
But the pipes so every time I hear the pipes, I’m like, it gets you.
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02:04:09
Yeah. Oh, I’d imagine now.
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02:04:11
I do wanna go to Scotland.
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02:04:12
Scotland’s beautiful.
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02:04:13
Yeah.
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02:04:14
I haven’t
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02:04:14
been there.
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02:04:14
I’ve been there a few times. Really? I love it. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. People are very cool. It’s not overcrowded. And if you can get past the rain, which is kind of Yeah. A good break every now especially if you live in LA. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a good break Yeah. To see rain everywhere where they’re ai, good luck starting a fire out there. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You know.
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02:04:30
And they’re going to the Ai. Mhmm. Maybe take a motorcycle trip or I do wanna go and and watch those world championships. Oh, yeah. Oh, the Highland Games? Ai, I hired up ai pipers for his funeral.
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02:04:43
Oh, wow.
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02:04:43
And I pull in I got this on fucking video. And, I pull into the parking lot, a little church in the middle of my town, and they’re doing the fucking putting the air in the bag. And I was like, this tyler, it crushed me. And I took a video from my truck, and I went out, introduced ai, and he’s like, you’re not gonna fucking believe this.
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02:05:05
And I’m like, he’s older ai, and he’s like, I played next to your father at the world championships. Wow. Wow. Like, just randomly, this is the guy playing the funeral. Wow. And, he was fucking amazing. And, he he stayed a while, and then it was ai this little church.
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02:05:26
You go into this little gymnasium ai spot, and he stayed and played in the in the back. And some of my that I didn’t know, but some of my hit ai dad’s favorite songs. So I had those on video too, but it was just beautiful. Wow. Yeah. And it brought all three boys back together. You know? Now we’re on good terms. It’s been super cathartic. I was the only one to speak at the funeral.
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02:05:52
And, I’m in the pew, and it’s his sister who I hadn’t seen in a decade, and, my two brothers and their kids. And my oldest is just a puddle. He’s just he’s wearing sunglasses
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02:06:09
Oh.
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02:06:10
And just a mess. And the priest was actually quite great. He was funny. And, and then my other brother was in front of me, and he was a puddle. And he doesn’t like speak, and I don’t either as me. I I get a little nervous or whatnot. I’m always good to if I’m in character or hiding behind something. But the priest was like, okay. Now is the time to say something.
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02:06:36
And the whole church is just like
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02:06:40
and I look at Damon, my other brother, Bryden, and then Damon looks back at meh. Priest looks at me. He’s like, now is the time.
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02:06:50
Oh, so you just had to ai it was you?
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02:06:53
Yeah. And then my auntie Lee, just squeezed my hand. I’m like, I’m fucking saying something, aren’t I? She’s
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02:07:01
like she’s like,
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02:07:02
yes. You are. So I get up, and I just said, you know, if there’s any light to to this whole situation, it’s that all three us of us brothers are are back on great terms now. Oh, that’s great. Yeah. It’s great.
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02:07:16
That’s cool.
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02:07:16
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:07:18
And then right right back
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02:07:20
to ai. Yeah. Right back to primeval.
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02:07:23
Go get on banana
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02:07:24
bread. Off.
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02:07:25
Take it out
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02:07:26
on those motherfuckers.
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02:07:29
Man. Yeah. What a trip. What a trip.
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02:07:32
Yeah. That is a that’s a a crazy experience, man. When you were doing the Koresh thing Yeah. What was the thing that fucked you up the most about playing him? Oh. About even preparing to play him?
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02:07:46
Trying to root him emotionally to those circumstances that were so foreign, like, the emotional beats of, like, I just didn’t understand it. I didn’t understand how someone could do what he did and then he was very woe is me. Like, he played the victim incredibly, manipulatively well.
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02:08:08
And I would always say he’s ai a great coach and and he would a great coach would be, like, with you, he could train you and push certain buttons, but then he’ll do something totally different with someone else and incredibly manipulative. So I think just trying to root that and understand ai Sai I don’t think I’ll ever understand some of the actions obviously, to that level ai how someone can do that, But it is all out of fear and insecurity and ram.
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02:08:41
Like, that part of it, I did understand. And memorizing the Bible is a defense meh. Because when he’s with there was over 20 theologians that would get on the call with him. And if you and I listened to, ai protective service calls, obviously, all the Knezner’s, calls, which was the played by Michael Shannon, who’s amazing.
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02:09:06
And, and every time he got his back to the wall and they had a point or had something or had a level up on him, he would go right into bible speak, which nobody could keep up with him on. So he would gain that upper hand, and I would just go into a fucking dialogue about a dragon with one eye is about to come and show its face and bury its teeth and take the children.
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02:09:32
Like, what the fuck do you say to that? You know? If you’re on the call Right. Right. And you’re trying to have a rational conversation of, ai, let the children out. Right. We want these kids out. And he goes, right.
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02:09:47
And he just goes into this ai speak. You’re like, there’s no real rebuttal to that. Right. And that was he did this with child protective services too on those calls. He would just go ai.
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02:09:59
And that was such an anchor to him because nobody could play a card like that.
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02:10:05
Right. Because as soon as you say words from the Ai, you’re right. Ai have to be right. And he’s merely quoting the Bible.
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02:10:12
Yeah.
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02:10:13
And you’re you’re gonna argue with meh? You’re arguing with the Bible. Right. It’s ram card. Truly.
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02:10:18
Yeah. Truly. And he would go to, like, Oxford and have debates with theologians in the classes. And that’s how he recruited a lot of people that he would win these debates, and they would come and join come to Texas. Like, really, like, he would write these letters to people and send tapes to Australia and get them to come. Wow. Yeah. Like, this was incredibly smart guy.
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02:10:45
Like, that you have to give to him.
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02:10:47
That is isn’t it so fucked up that someone with a brain that works that well would choose to use it in that way?
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02:10:55
All just fear. I mean, even the way, like, he’s talking about God and the the end of days and, how he needs to bear, I think, around 22 children that are gonna go up with him and ride a cloud up there and all these crazy things. He had the answers to aliens.
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02:11:14
So What was that answer?
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02:11:15
I can’t meh, but people
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02:11:17
I do wanna know.
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02:11:19
The the to your point, though, it’s ai he ended up shooting himself in the head. Right? Which, ironically, you don’t go to heaven if you do that, which is, but also, like, he does all this shah, and I don’t know. Just that was a big thing for, like, Paul Sparks and I played my right hand man of, like, when we shot that death scene of, like, meh.
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02:11:42
Like, I do wish to your point he was still ai, and we could learn shit. You know, all these guys, they end this. Like, they drink the fucking Kool Aid in the bed or the fucking like, it’s such a fascinating perspective that I do wish we could break that down and maybe learn something from this than just him shooting himself in the head and burning a burning in the house.
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02:12:08
What you could learn? What you could learn, like, especially after the event, ai, the raid on the compound and everything. Like, what could all the people are dead. Like, how what could you learn from that guy then? He’s gonna be so fucked up.
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02:12:21
Yeah. I mean, nine people survived that. One of the survivors, Thibodeaux, was there with us, his drummer. Oh, wow. Every day. Woah. And, yeah. And What did he say he was like? It goes back to your point that he still was thinking that he’s coming back.
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02:12:42
Oh my god.
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02:12:44
Yeah. Wow. So he I know. Wow. And this didn’t come out until our last week of shooting ai I got along incredibly well with him. And he did give us he did write a great book and give me insight to moments that I asked to be in the shah, but Ai mean, he was going, I don’t know, to North Dakota or the Dakotas to someone had blueprints for an alien warship, and he was going to see these blueprints.
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02:13:15
And we’re just in between takes. We’re we’re in between takes sitting in our set chairs and me and Paul Sparks and we’re ai, hey, what what are you doing after this? After we ram. And he went on and and told us he was going to look at blueprints to this warship. And we’re like, okay. Wow. Copy that. Yeah.
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02:13:38
So those are the type of guys, though, that
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02:13:42
Ai have been called? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:13:45
Sweet meh.
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02:13:46
Uh-huh.
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02:13:46
Like, very helpful, was great to us, and was very open, but, I mean, a lot of majority of people are followers. Right? So
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02:13:55
Well, there’s a lot of people out there that have brains that don’t really work that well.
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02:13:59
Right. Just Truly.
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02:14:00
That’s just how it goes.
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02:14:01
Yeah.
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02:14:01
It’s a very unfortunate roll of the ai, but Yeah. Your your brain does not let you navigate through life very well and you need someone to hold your hand Yeah. And tell you what to do even if it’s completely illogical.
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02:14:11
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:14:12
And those people wound up becoming followers.
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02:14:14
Yeah. I think it was the new light. He called it the new light. This is a while ago, but I think it was a new light. He he Dave woke up, and he got all the everyone together, and he’s ai, I just had a word with God, and it’s the new light something. And, it’s where I’m gonna I’m the only one now that is going to sleep with the women.
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02:14:35
And this guy named Norm, I think he was Australian or anyways, this guy was like, fuck that shit. I’m out. And, like, twenty, thirty people laughed, but a lot stayed. A lot stayed. Yeah.
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02:14:55
Yeah. You’re always gonna get people that sai, and then they think that if they stay, he’ll like them even more now.
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02:15:01
Yeah.
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02:15:01
And those other losers Yes. Who are in the way of them getting attention from Dave now sana be tighter. I’m staying. Fuck that.
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02:15:08
Yeah.
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02:15:08
I’m team Koresh. You can fuck my wife, bro. Fucking jersey on. Nuts.
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02:15:13
Team ai is, man. Nuts.
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02:15:15
It is. It’s a weird thing that people have, like, encoded in us to look for a leader. I know. Very strange.
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02:15:23
I know. You know,
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02:15:24
I think it’s just from tribal DNA. That’s what
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02:15:27
I Yeah. That’s a good point. I never thought about that.
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02:15:30
If when we were groups of, like, a 150 people, the only way we could survive, you gotta listen to the wisest, most experienced person, and that’s the tribal leader. That’s how it always was. It was the greatest warrior, the one who knew where the fish were, the guy guy who knows what you’re supposed to eat, not eat, and where the danger is.
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02:15:47
And that guy’s gonna help you, keep you alive. And we always have that in everything. We have it in businesses. We have it there’s always ai us one top monkey
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02:15:55
Yeah. At
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02:15:56
the top of the pile. Carrot. Yeah. It’s fucking carrot. It’s weird. But you see it in chimpanzees too, man. It’s crazy. Yeah. It’s a primate behavior. Yeah. They all they’ll all those chimpanzees, they have a tribe leader.
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02:16:07
Yeah.
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02:16:07
They have one guy who’s the fucking top chimp.
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02:16:10
Yeah. He’s he’s running shit.
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02:16:12
It’s weird, man. It’s ai it’s encoded in us. And so for people that aren’t that smart, someone like David Koresh can totally exploit that Mhmm. And go, I am the leader. You know, like, wow, I’m so glad I met you. I was lost without you. You are found now
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02:16:26
Yeah.
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02:16:26
My son. You are found. And, also, like, that guy is so confident. Yeah. He must be right. Yeah. I’m not confident.
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02:16:32
Yeah. He did say tanks were coming and they’re here. Sai, literally, that was a big moment.
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02:16:37
That’s what he said.
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02:16:38
That was a big moment.
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02:16:39
Wow. Yep. That must have been true.
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02:16:41
The seven seals, he was rewriting the seven seals his final days. Oh, boy. I know. The whole raid
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02:16:48
on the compound thing is nuts. It is. Like, when you see the fire coming out of the tanks, you’re like, what did you guys do?
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02:16:54
Yeah. There’s a guy that ironically was Dick DeGeurin, his lawyer, and he was speaking in Santa Fe when we were shooting this. So I’m ai, full fucking stop. We’re going to hear Dick DeGeurin speak. Saloni speaking about Waco? He’s speaking about his experiences as a lawyer. Wow. And he did.
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02:17:15
And I went and introduced ai, and there’s a crazy story. It was Dave’s mom who called him and was like, this is what’s happening. Would you go help? Blah blah. He was on a fishing trip, I think. And he’s like, yeah. I’m gonna go.
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02:17:28
So he showed up to the compound on the perimeter that was set, and he’s like, I’m that guy’s lawyer in that house. You need to take me over there. FBI puts him in a fucking tank, and he goes to the front door in a tank. Oh my god. And, this door has this big p I’ve tried getting this in the in the show, and we couldn’t. But, so there’s a big piano at the front door blockade.
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02:17:54
Dave wasn’t allowed to walk by the windows, all this ai of stuff. This is deep into the fifty one day standoff. And, Dave’s right hand man and, played by Paul Sparks and another his lawyer, Harvard grad, I think, answered the door. And Dick’s like, oh, I see, the bullet holes in the ceiling, couple bodies that the ATF weren’t, didn’t allow you to take out.
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02:18:22
You got a case here, but where’s Dave? And they show him the house and all this kind of stuff, and so they’re back in the foyer and the piano’s against the wall, and they’re talking. And he’s like, okay. I don’t I wanna help, but I don’t know where Dave is. And he’s leaving, and he’s like, you got a fucking case.
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02:18:44
And the right hand man just goes, Dave was in the fucking piano listening to this whole thing.
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02:18:55
What a psycho.
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02:18:57
And so he got back in the tank, and Dave got briefed of their walk through there. And, anyways, Dick, Dick DeGeerin was his lawyer on that. What a fucking story, though. How crazy. And I wanted to be in that piano and shoot that.
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02:19:13
Yeah. That would have been unbelievable. Yeah.
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02:19:15
That would have been an important part. I know. Yeah.
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02:19:18
It’s an important part of the story. It really is. That’s how nuts he was. Yeah. He hid in the fucking piano.
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02:19:24
So scared to get shot or didn’t trust anything. God. But those ai, apparently, in that in that tank, they were, like, ripping Dick De Guren and, like, spitting on him and doing this kind of shit because they’re like, you do know they just killed a bunch of ATF guys in that shootout as well.
Speaker: 1
02:19:43
And you’re gonna go fucking be this guy’s lawyer? Fuck you. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:19:49
Right. Sai But the thing, like, what started off the feud? I don’t even remember, like, who how did bullets wind up flying?
Speaker: 1
02:19:57
Yeah. So it was Dave had he was selling, like, homemade bulletproof vests and was, like, had these I know. Fucking and the ATF were kinda spiraling out. Like, their funding was about they were about to get defunded, and they needed a win. Oh. They needed it. What what was it? The Ridge?
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02:20:23
Ruby. Yeah.
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02:20:24
Yeah.
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02:20:24
There
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02:20:24
you go. Ridge. So they dropped the ball huge on Ruby Ridge. Right?
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02:20:27
Sai that again.
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02:20:28
Yeah. So which is at the very beginning of Waco, and they needed a fucking win. Here, find a cult leader into weapons, selling ammunition, I think, and bulletproof vests and this ai of stuff. And this guy’s got these kids and all this is perfect. And that started it of just ai, we’re gonna go get this guy.
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02:20:50
And there’s a famous tape that we put in the show too where Dave was like, you know, why didn’t you just like, he did this run all the time and was kinda just out and about working on the house, running around. He had a fucking go kart track around the, the compound. And he’s like, why wouldn’t you just arrest me when I’m on a run, when I’m on this or that?
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02:21:13
But they needed a lot of ai, and they needed to get funded again. So they made this a spectacle, and then it fucking turned into what you saw. Like, they were they wouldn’t let fire trucks come and take that fire out. That’s a fact. And then, they’re playing that music of animals being, like, mutilated into the compound. Yeah. Then they were flying the ATF flag.
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02:21:40
I asked for that to be put in, but we didn’t put it in. But they’re flying the ATF flag while it was burning down.
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02:21:46
Wow.
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02:21:46
Yeah. It’s legit. Wow. Crazy, man.
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02:21:51
Wow. They needed a win.
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02:21:54
Yeah. And then
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02:21:56
That’s so dark.
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02:21:57
I know. I know. Picture I 35 right here, fucking tanks
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02:22:02
Mhmm.
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02:22:03
And all these armored trucks, everything going down I 35. It’s incredible. You know? And they’re just sitting right in front of of the house. Now fifty one days is fucking crazy. That is crazy. Yeah. Wow. I know.
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02:22:22
It’s just hard to believe that they would do that. But then you you read the Ruby Ridge thing.
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02:22:26
Yeah.
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02:22:27
They shot a woman while she was holding her baby.
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02:22:30
The kid in the back, I think. Yeah. Yeah. The dog.
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02:22:33
Shot a kid, dog. Yeah. And for what? I know. For what? For nothing. I know. Yeah. It’s weird, man. It’s weird. You you could you could be an assassin for the government. Yeah. And even just think you’re just doing your job. But it’s ai, this is seems pretty fucking criminal, guys.
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02:22:55
It’s a lot. It’s a lot.
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02:22:56
It’s just hard to believe that they would Seventy
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02:23:01
seven, six people ai. The video is twenty twenty something kids.
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02:23:07
Like, driving over the house with a tank and shooting fire into it. They’re ai and then they denied doing that. They denied doing that with the tank shooting ai, but you could you could watch it.
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02:23:16
Smoke. Yeah. You could watch the fire
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02:23:18
come out of the tank.
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02:23:19
Yeah. It’s horrible shit, man.
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02:23:23
I know. What a role. So when you get out of that role, would you stop playing that guy, man? How long does it take for you you go back to being you? Probably
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02:23:34
I bet you a month, six weeks till you shed it. Yeah. Yeah. Go do something that makes you feel you and ai. Motorcycle bryden, something. Get the fuck out.
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02:23:47
Did you, like, dream of that guy?
Speaker: 1
02:23:49
Yeah. Not anymore. But you did? What are you doing? Oh, yeah. Oh. Yeah. Your subconscious it’s funny because it’s, like, that’s you marry yourself emotionally to said circumstance. And so my subconscious and I’m sure a lot of actors will say it’s ai you’re wide open, and so you’re more vulnerable. I’m way more emotional.
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02:24:10
And so because you just do the work, and you’re just your subconscious is open. So ai your dreams once I start dreaming a little fucking crazy visceral stuff, that’s when I know I’m getting closer for sure. Wow. Yeah. You’re
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02:24:26
ai you’re getting haunted.
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02:24:27
A little bit.
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02:24:29
And then it takes six weeks to Yeah. Detox you Yeah. And fucking exercise the ghost.
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02:24:34
And then it’s ai, you play this guy. You know what’s fucking crazy? It was ACL, and I was walking and prepping for Waco. And, randomly, out of nowhere, this guy is talking about Waco and that it never happened. Like, this is so ram, and I was with my buddy who’s out there. And I was like, holy shit. What the? We gotta do this story now. Like, there’s people out there that believe that it’s just one conspiracy theory that never happened.
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02:25:07
That’s sai ai. Like, what? There’s people that believe everything, though.
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02:25:10
I know.
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02:25:10
If you could figure out the conspiracy, there’s a whole group of people on Reddit dedicated
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02:25:15
to it. Yeah. Yeah. You’re you’re
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02:25:17
late to the party. Any conspiracy, just fill in the blank. There’s there’s a bunch of people think space is fake. It’s a whole online community of people that don’t believe in space.
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02:25:26
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:25:27
Okay. There’s people that believe a lot. Big. Yeah. Just
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02:25:32
just to say that alone just feels ai sorry?
Speaker: 0
02:25:35
Yeah. It’s people that, like, flat Earth is not crazy enough. They wanna take it to the next level. Yeah. The next level is space doesn’t even exist. Okay. You know? That’s all
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02:25:44
you know when you get older and people will just straight up, like, when they talk at you telling you false shit Right. You’re, like, okay.
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02:25:53
Okay.
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02:25:53
Use the ai bite and be, like, you’re an idiot. This is what is actually happening. But no. Now it’s ai, alright. Ai it’s exhausting though.
Speaker: 0
02:26:02
You just I know. Shut up.
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02:26:04
I know.
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02:26:04
It’s so fake. Yep. So how do you put ai? Double down. Triple down on it.
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02:26:09
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just had one of those moments. You used
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02:26:12
to be a lot more of those people before the Internet.
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02:26:15
I know, man. That’s a dangerous game. Yeah. I don’t read shit, which is really helped me. Oh, yeah. It really, like That’s very healthy. Yeah. It is. Like Yeah. I don’t read any, reviews
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02:26:28
Good for you.
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02:26:29
Any of that. I learned the hard way, man. I got hammered on John Carter. That put me in a dark speak. But, yeah, had to rebuild everything. But, yeah, that, you’re down that tunnel, and you’re just ai like, they’re not just ai, he’s a bad actor. It’s like, this guy should
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02:26:50
die. Yeah. You’re a terrible person. Yeah. It’s nuts. Personal attack. Be better if you were never born. Yeah.
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02:26:57
Like, woah.
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02:26:59
Damn. Fuck. I know you’re just trying to write a saucy article, but holy shit.
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02:27:03
It’s a lot of fucking sauce. Lot of vitriol there.
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02:27:06
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:27:07
It’s weird, man. People but that’s, you know, they like doing that to people they don’t know. It’s it’s
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02:27:13
Zero accountability. It’s so easy.
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02:27:16
And now because of social media, anybody can do it.
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02:27:19
Yeah. I was just asked
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02:27:20
never used to hear people’s opinions before. The if there you had a movie in 1979, the general public either went to see it or did not. Yeah. And it was like a word-of-mouth thing, and then there was, like, Siskel and Ebert and whoever else
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02:27:32
is reviewing stuff. Ai other reviewers. That that
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02:27:35
was it. And if the New York Times said it was good, you’d go see it. Yeah. Yeah. But now it’s ai fucking everybody. Negative always beats. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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02:27:43
Yeah. You get more clicks on a negative hit. And then, you you know, that was the beauty of, like, Friday Night Lights. Like, I never there weren’t reviews really, and I was just we didn’t have social fucking media.
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02:27:54
Mhmm.
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02:27:54
We’re in Austin. No real producers on set or writers. We’re kinda Pete set it up so great. And you’re just going there slinging, trying shit, failing, trying again. It was such an amazing experience.
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02:28:08
Without all the extra input. Without any of the weight
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02:28:11
of, like, is this gonna be successful? Yeah. What does that even mean now? You know?
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02:28:16
Yeah. They well, do they still do focus groups when they do a film? Yes. They still
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02:28:20
do that. Definitely. Yeah.
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02:28:21
So that’s kind of like a small Internet. Yeah.
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02:28:25
Yeah. And that’s
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02:28:26
kinda because you’re ai, well, who are these people? Yeah. They might be like You went to Oklahoma. 200 morons. Yeah. Like By the way, I like Oklahoma. But there’s there’s, like, certain spots where, you know, like, if you wanted to tank a movie, you do a focus group and, you know, some moron community where everybody’s on fentanyl.
Speaker: 1
02:28:42
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:28:42
Yeah. You guys watch this movie, tell me what you’re saying.
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02:28:44
Through half, but I don’t like that guy’s hat.
Speaker: 0
02:28:47
It’s did they get paid? Is that ai a joke?
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02:28:50
I don’t know. That’s a good question.
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02:28:51
I bet they do. I bet they do, which is then you have to factor in, okay, what kind of a person is getting paid to do focus groups? They they might be a failure. They might be a really dull witted, dumb minded person, and they get to decide the direction of this movie.
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02:29:06
And, ai, I don’t like the ending.
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02:29:08
Yep. Reshoots. Uh-oh. Reshoots.
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02:29:10
$20,000,000 reshoots. 40% of the audience said they didn’t like the ending. 4040% of the audience wouldn’t pass a piss test. Yeah. True.
Speaker: 1
02:29:18
Even, like, John Carter was, like, one of the highest tested movies in Disney’s history, and we got hammered, obviously. But it’s, like, I don’t know how much that moves the needle or anything.
Speaker: 0
02:29:30
I think people distrust the media more than they trust the media now. But if something sucks, like, if a critic says it sucks, it still works. Yeah. Like, if I see a one star review, like, ai movie supposedly sucks. Yeah. Like, I don’t give it any other thought. Mhmm. It still does work.
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02:29:48
But if something’s really good, people go, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Fuck critics. Fuck critics. This movie rules. Yeah. Like, look at Adam Sandler’s movies.
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02:29:56
The critics always hate them. Yeah. The audiences always love them. Yeah. Always. It’s the most ai sai of thousand.
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02:30:02
I know. It’s crazy. Yeah. His movies He’s such a sweet guy.
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02:30:06
He’s the best. He’s the nicest guy of all time. Mhmm. And he’s a great regular actor too. Uncut Gems was bananas.
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02:30:13
That movie swing, man.
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02:30:15
So much anxiety. And I
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02:30:16
was like, don’t do it.
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02:30:17
Yeah. Because he played that ai, that gambling addict sai well. So believable.
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02:30:24
Great directors too. Yeah. It’s just it’s great. Ai. Smart move.
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02:30:28
But his comedies, I love his comedies. They’re fun. And I love that I can watch with my kids. Like, he’s got they’re funny. Like, Jack and Jill is funny. It’s fucking silly and ridiculous, and Al Pacino’s in love with his sister, who is ram. It’s funny, man. It’s a funny movie. It’s so stupid and silly. Yeah.
Speaker: 0
02:30:46
But that’s but the critics hate those movies. They hate them. Like, okay. What are you going to see? I know. It’s an Adam Sandler movie.
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02:30:53
This is really good what making this kind of movie. Yeah. If you wanna go see a fun, light hearted
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02:30:58
Yeah.
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02:30:59
Silly movie Which
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02:30:59
we need a little more.
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02:31:00
With a lot of heart to it. Yeah. His movies are the ones to go to. Yeah. But critics hate them. Yeah. They don’t it doesn’t matter. If people love it, that’s what matters.
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02:31:09
Yeah. I mean, Terminal is season one. Yes. We got hammered. Yes. And the people spoke, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It didn’t matter. That’s why I’m here. Yeah. Like, that’s why Dark Wolf is dark. We’re doing it. You know? It’s because people wanted to see why Ben is fucking the way he is and made that decision.
Speaker: 1
02:31:27
Yeah. If it didn’t, there’s no way we would have got that green lit. There’s no way.
Speaker: 0
02:31:33
Well, because it’s written by Jack. So Jack Carr, who’s a good friend
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02:31:37
of mine Mhmm.
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02:31:38
Who’s an awesome human being and also a speak, and ai and and had the goal this is how crazy Jack is. Had the goal of first becoming a speak, getting military experiencing, and then becoming a great writer. Like, he had it in his head.
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02:31:55
Did he really?
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02:31:55
Yes. He always wanted to be a seal. He always wanted to serve. So he wanted to do those things, get real life experience, get any that guy has a love of history.
Speaker: 1
02:32:06
It’s unbelievable. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. Walking encyclopedias.
Speaker: 0
02:32:10
He’s so brilliant, and his recall is phenomenal. So but but imagine that kind of decision making. Yeah. I’m going to be a speak. I’m gonna go get deployed. Ai gonna get military combat experience, and then I’m gonna go write books. This is his that was his, like, sai Eight
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02:32:31
bestsellers. Seven or eight.
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02:32:33
And right out of the box, Terminal List, his first book is fucking incredible. It’s incredible. Yeah. But the guy prepared for it is for ai. Like, he’s a a voracious reader. Voracious reader. Reads constantly, can recommend books constantly. He’s always great about that. And his so his first book out of the gates, like, he’d been preparing for it his whole life.
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02:32:54
I mean, when he comes on to set and we’re shooting this, Sai ai, in episode five, he came to Budapest. And his energy, like, he’s like a kid in a candy store, man. It’s ai I’m fucking gassed out, tired, and, like, just getting beat up, and here comes arya, and it’s just the light. Yeah.
Speaker: 1
02:33:16
It just brings an energy to that set that it’s just like, man, we’re so lucky to be here. And you’re like, you know what? You’re kinda fucking right. We are. Yeah. And I just love that guy, man. Super supportive ai when I got the role. Yeah. He’s ai, not pressing me.
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02:33:30
He’s like, I know you played a speak before. If you want any of my notes who Ben is, and he’s ai, if you want that long leash, here it is. Like, I trust you. Like, he’s been nothing but amazing with me so far. So He’s a brilliant guy. He really is.
Speaker: 0
02:33:44
Yeah. He really is.
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02:33:45
Super caring. Yep. Yep.
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02:33:47
Yeah. Well, just a great man.
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02:33:49
Yeah.
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02:33:50
Ai, a truly great man.
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02:33:51
Yeah.
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02:33:51
It’s it’s so cool when a guy like that gets to ai stories that really reflect the true lives that he led and then he knows a lot of his friends lead and it’s real. It’s ai he has a an understanding of it shah obviously the success of his books and the success of the series, that understanding just translates in a way ai, oh, this is very authentic.
Speaker: 1
02:34:17
Yeah. Even ai little notes, man, I would get with the gun work and all that kind of shah, and obviously, you listen. But it’s just ai he’s he comes at you of just more ai. Mhmm. And you don’t take it sana. You can’t. And you wanna get it fucking right.
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02:34:34
When you have him and Jared Shah, who’s another Speak, and Mendoza, who’s a SEAL, and we got a a what? A arya ranger who writes a lot of it. Like, we’re surrounded by these guys every day. So if they want if anything is not authentic, you’re I mean, the bullshit meter is, like, fucking two feet away.
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02:34:54
Right.
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02:34:55
You know? Right. And I love that, though, because they’re doing a lot of my work for me, helping me, making me look like fucking Ben. Right. Right. You know?
Speaker: 0
02:35:04
It’s a complicated character too.
Speaker: 1
02:35:06
Yeah. A lot of that stuff like, one of my best buddies is Speak and had, like, 200 guys under him, fought in Ramadi and bomb specialist guy, wicked dude. And, there’s a moment in the CIA room in in in episode one that was bryden, and then I kinda I’ve been hearing this from him for so long.
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02:35:29
And so it’s kind of ingrained in me of just, like, how there’s always someone to answer to, and you’re never really getting the full transparent part of what they’re putting you out for. So I’d heard all these stories for, like, the last since loan. I met him on loan. And and so that scene, I was like, this is for you, man.
Speaker: 1
02:35:50
I’m just gonna fucking go and have at it with this CIA guy. And, he was at the premiere and watched it and loved that beat, but it’s ai Sai get to serve, you know, some of these guys that they they don’t get to have those moments.
Speaker: 0
02:36:03
Right. Right. Right.
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02:36:04
And that’s so fun for me to just fucking go and light them up in that room. One of my favorite scenes Cathartic. Yeah. Yeah. So I steal from these ai. Even, like and I get it. I got hammered or Ben got hammered for being the twist of, season one. Right? I’m the guy who kinda orchestrated a lot of it.
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02:36:24
And, and I was talking to Marcus because I’m like, how the fuck am I gonna root this guy, this seal that’s, like, best friends with Reese? And now all of a bryden, the twist is ai, man, I I had a hand in this. I I’m the guy that put you guys down that tunnel on that op, and your whole fucking platoon died, for the most part.
Speaker: 1
02:36:48
And, I just literally it was ai a little moment that I had with Luttrell where he was talking about going back and dying with his boots on. And I was like, really settle into what that means. This warrior is just decidedly going to die over there serving. It’s beautifully tragic.
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02:37:08
And I was like, that is where I hung my hat with Ben of, like, how I can root this crazy twist of, like, I’m making this decision for you, but you’re gonna go die with your boots on instead of this fucking you’re gonna die rotting in this hospital bed, no insurance, your family, all this kind of shit.
Speaker: 1
02:37:26
I’m like, I’m gonna take that decision for you. So that’s where I rooted Ben for season one. Wow. Yeah. And then I go and open, the Mike Murphy Museum, with Dan and Marcus and a lot of other seals, obviously.
Speaker: 1
02:37:42
And, a lot of the seals were like, I fucking get it. You know? But a lot of people just were like, how could you? Right. Sai and I get that part too.
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02:37:51
But it was just like
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02:37:53
Both things are true.
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02:37:54
Yeah. Truly.
Speaker: 0
02:37:55
Yeah. Both things are true. How could you and I ai Yeah. Yeah. He’s a human being. Yeah. And, you know, that’s that’s one of those reasons why the show is so interesting. Yeah. People are fucking super complex.
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02:38:08
And how fucking gray it all is. Yep. And how it goes back to, like, you’re in mourning of a buddy. You you broke this promise. His family’s dead. And now I’m on an op, and I get in front of the guy that killed this guy’s family. I’m gonna fucking put him down. Fuck this. I’ll tell you the beauty of Ben too in this is he’s accountable for it. Like, I’ll take it. Take my Bryden then.
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Ai do it all over again, which is a beautiful thing. And I think he does. Like, it’s it’s a very it’s an emotional reaction that, you know, phrase his life and, the other character, Rafe’s character. He gets his trident taken, but it’s that’s one thing we were talking about earlier of just, like, it’s so fucking gray and in these really split decision moments that you have.
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And these guys aren’t fucking robots out there. It’s ai they’re emotional. They’re fucking trained, like, better than anybody. But at times, they have to make these decisions that is ai, okay, you’re gonna fucking put those girls on a black market or sell them or put them in the sex trade.
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You don’t get to live anymore. I’m gonna do that. But that’s a beautiful thing
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02:39:25
too. Yeah. And people can relate to it. Because if you were if you were in that scenario, what would you do? And most people would like to believe they would say, you’re not gonna live anymore.
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02:39:33
Yes. Exactly. We have these talks on set all the time.
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You we’re on Meh Primeval.
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02:39:40
We can romanticize the eighteen fifties or at least I did at the beginning of, like, this guy’s a fucking mountain man. This is sick. Like, he’s
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02:39:47
a motherfucker.
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Like, if I if you see me on the river in 08/1852 and you’re ai, I want your jacket, you’re gonna just come up and kill me and take my jacket. Yeah. Like, that’s how fucked up the eighteen hundreds were back then.
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02:40:03
Yeah. Lawless.
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Lawless.
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And so we started shooting, and, I was like, we’re shooting at 10,000 feet up there, and you’re cold, and we’re still spoiled, obviously. Your trailer’s 50 feet away. But it’s like, fuck this. I’m like, there is nothing in me that would wanna be in the eighteen fifties.
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Nothing.
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02:40:24
Nothing. No. Ai can’t believe people made it through. I can’t either. It’s hard to ai. Either. And those people were living in a lap of luxury. Can people compared to people who lived four thousand years before them.
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02:40:35
Oh ai god. Yeah. I got a good boy two hundred years earlier.
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02:40:39
Yeah. It’s nuts. I mean, it’s like what we’re talking about earlier. Civilization is super recent. I mean, it’s not. Obviously, there’s ancient Egypt and all that stuff, but I mean, what we’re dealing with right now is super recent. Yeah. Relative safety, relative security
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02:40:54
Yeah.
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Relative, you know I mean, do
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02:40:58
you do you when you go hunt, your Utah, backcountry, wherever you’re going, you’re gonna be in the shit. It’s gonna be beautiful and quiet and, like, I live for that.
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02:41:08
Yeah. Well, that’s partly why Montana is a great it’s a great place to hunt too. Yeah. And Montana is a truly wild place.
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02:41:14
Yes. I mean,
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02:41:15
outside of Bozeman. Right. Yeah.
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02:41:18
Thirty thirty minutes outside.
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02:41:20
Yeah. Thirty minutes outside, you’ve got, like, a truly beautiful, incredible, un just un if you’ve never experienced the mountains, like, the true mountains
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02:41:33
Mhmm.
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02:41:34
Especially when there’s some snow on the ground and the the winds whistling around, it’s ai it’s majestic. It’s like the most extraordinary work of art that nature created. Yeah. There’s something about, like, mountains. Really? It’s just like it, like, awe inspiring. Mhmm. It’s like, wow.
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02:41:51
Makes perspective sinks into you. You’re in the moment.
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02:41:54
And it’s weird that very few people live near them.
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02:41:57
I know. Right?
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02:41:58
It is. You get there. When you get there, you’re like, oh meh god. I wanna see this every day. Yeah. It’s like Then you’re on a flight to New York in Yeah. Two days. I lived outside of Boulder for a while.
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02:42:08
Oh, beautiful.
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02:42:09
And, it was like that every day. It’s like you’re just driving in through these mountains. Ai, this is incredible. Yeah. Like, this view that you have is like a vitamin. It really is. It stores your soul. Yeah. Look at this place.
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02:42:22
And it’s it’s not a coincidence that people in mountain communities are chilled out.
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02:42:27
Yeah. You’re right.
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02:42:27
It’s not a coincidence. No. They’re surrounded by this overwhelming majesty of nature, and it’s humbling. Yeah.
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02:42:34
It is. It makes you a little chiller. Totally. Yeah. And I think for me too, it’s so good for the brain for all those reasons. But also, it’s just ai, if I’m sitting around feeling sorry for myself or whatever it is, bored, it’s ai, it’s your fucking fault if you’re bored out there. Right.
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02:42:51
There’s a thousand hikes. Go get into ai. Go to the national park. Go for a fucking walk. Anything.
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02:42:58
Fix your perspective.
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02:42:59
Truly. Yeah. And it does.
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02:43:01
It does.
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02:43:01
It does. After intense role or whatever it is, once I land in Bozeman, man, Ai get on the bike or whatever, go fly fish. It’s ai it’s it’s a beautiful thing.
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02:43:13
And there’s less people there. So it’s
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02:43:14
like
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02:43:16
Yeah. You don’t feel the buzz.
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02:43:18
Yeah. Relax. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just bought a $35 fucking protein shake before I came here.
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02:43:26
In Austin?
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02:43:26
Yeah. Yeah. I was
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02:43:28
like What the fuck is it? I look up. What’s it? Ai.
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02:43:32
It’s like,
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02:43:33
I don’t know, probably ai koala DNA that’s gonna
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02:43:36
get me hard for the next seven days or something.
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02:43:39
Grass fed tallow. Yeah. Yeah. Where’d you go? Just sai What’s how’s this done? Charge $35 for a smoothie. That seems a ai lower.
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02:43:47
Adding shit. I was
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02:43:49
adding Oh, you’re adding
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02:43:49
proteins. Yeah. Creatine. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:43:51
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:43:53
But I was ai, what’s happening?
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02:43:56
Yeah. It’s not Montana. But even Austin, ai, compared to where I lived before, I lived in LA and living here is ai there’s only 2,000,000 people.
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02:44:04
Yeah.
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02:44:04
It’s so much more.
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02:44:05
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:44:06
Like, what they think is traffic is adorable. Yeah. You know, it’s just cute little traffic. It’s true.
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02:44:13
LA is insane.
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02:44:14
It’s just a terrible way to live. Yeah. It really is.
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02:44:16
Yeah.
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02:44:16
It’s a terrible way to live. Yeah. And I think I get how people used to sana live there because it was the center of, you know, the TV business Mhmm. The comedy business, but it’s it’s not worth it. No. No. It’s not good for
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02:44:29
your soul. Nothing’s being filmed there anymore. It’s rare. It’s just Weird. Right? Yeah. It is. Like, how did that happen? I don’t know.
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02:44:36
How did they fuck that up?
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02:44:37
I know.
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02:44:38
How did you fuck up the one spot where everybody wanted to move to to be an actor? You fucked up that spot?
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02:44:44
Yeah. And they have everything. Yeah. Mountains, beaches,
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02:44:48
fucking You can get to the mountains, to the shore in two hours. Yeah. You’re you’re up in Big Bear.
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02:44:53
Yeah. You’re
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02:44:53
you’re down in Santa Monica. Two hours. Yeah.
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02:44:56
It’s nuts. Studios, everything’s there.
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02:44:58
Yeah. Yeah. And they fucked it up.
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02:45:00
Yep. Brutal. What the fuck is happening? I don’t know. I know.
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02:45:06
I don’t know. I’d blame politics, but I think there’s a lot of other stuff going on too. I just think the people running it, it it probably takes exceptional people to have real vision and learn how to keep keep stuff together. Yeah.
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02:45:18
I don’t know. I don’t know either. I’m not a big fan of LA.
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02:45:21
Yeah.
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Yeah. I lived here for seventeen years.
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02:45:24
Did you love it
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02:45:25
here? I did. Yeah. Yeah. I love the lake life. It’s nice. It’s fucking amazing.
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02:45:30
It’s a chilled city too. It’s, like, genuinely good people here. Yeah. There are. Normal people. Yeah. You know? Yeah. In LA, everybody is ai a failed actor, sana to be an ai, trying to get on a reality show. Looking to be a TikTok influencer.
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02:45:45
Oh, good.
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02:45:46
Everybody’s got something.
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02:45:47
And they want something from you.
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02:45:48
Always. Always. Yeah. And every connection they make is ai a networking thing. Every new friend becomes someone is an asset. Mhmm. An asset. Yeah. Because it’s, like, very transactional.
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02:45:58
Yep. Gross. Yeah.
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02:45:59
It’s gross. Yeah. Well, listen, brother. You’re a very interesting ai, and, you got some awesome stories,
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and
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you’re a really great actor. And so Thank you. I’ve been a fan for a long time. Likewise. So this was really fun.
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02:46:09
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
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02:46:10
My pleasure, brother. Tell everybody one more time, Terminal List, Dark Wolf, it’s available now on Amazon On Amazon. Which is great. And, I know the Terminalist killed it for Amazon. Yeah.
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It was a huge show. Number one right now.
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That’s amazing. Yeah. Thanks. That’s awesome. Thank you. It’s a great show. It’s a great show. Alright. My pleasure. Bye, everybody.