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Matthew McConaughey is an Academy Award–winning actor and #1 New York Times bestselling author. His new book, “Poems & Prayers,” comes out September 16. His latest film, “The Lost Bus,” will open in select theaters in Los Angeles, New York, and London on September 19 and premiere globally on October 3 on Apple TV+. Matthew is a professor of practice at the University of Texas at Austin, co-owner of Pantalones tequila, co-owner of the Austin FC soccer club, and co-founder of the just keep livin’ Foundation, which supports youth through programs in health, education, and active living.
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Good job. Cheers. Cheers, sir.
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Thank you. Good Good to see you. My man. Hey. Hey.
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You, you’re a man of many talents, my friend. Tell me about this book.
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Poems and prayers. Yeah. So I’ve been kind of writing.
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Try to keep this, like these are a little bit directional. How’s that?
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Ai been kinda I’ve been writing poems and prayers down for since I was, like, 18. And then this last, I don’t know, couple years, I started looking around at life and the facts and evidence and people, and I was, like, not finding the amount of things or people to believe in that I was wanting to.
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And I was starting to have doubt to myself as well. And I started to see myself slip into a little bit of cynicism, which I promised myself that’s that no. That’s a that’s a living man’s disease. Don’t go there. You go from innocence to to to naivety to skepticism, but let’s stop there. It’s skepticism. Yeah. And I kinda got scared and a little pissed off at myself.
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I was like, wait a minute. I’m not ready to give up. I’m not ready to wave the wave the white flag and let myself off for certain things. I was starting to wanna let myself off on, you know, or other people. And, I said, alright. Poems and prayers. Those are ideals.
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Those are pursuits, you know, that’s going to the dream and saying let’s go to let’s let’s let’s look at the dream and see if we can still believe in making that a reality. Aspirational. Instead of looking at reality and saying how do you turn that into dream, which is what I usually do.
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I’m like arya emulates life, meh, not the other way around. But I flipped the script a little bit here and said, no. No. Let’s let’s dive into the dreams and belief. Man, it’s I think it’s in short supply.
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It was getting it was it my tank was getting low on belief, not just What
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was bothering you so much? Well, specifically.
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Maybe it’s maybe it’s turning 50, something like that. Maybe it’s that where I start to project, you know, what am I what’s the next half? Right. I don’t know. Maybe subconsciously, it was. I think, I look around, and there’s a lot fewer leaders that I’m like, hey, son. Yeah. I sana grow up like that.
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Right.
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I look around. I see people not trusting. I see people I I I I see people that aren’t embarrassed for doing something shitty.
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Right.
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I see people that sleep just fine. I don’t I found myself starting to go, oh, I Ai can sleep fine too. That’s that part where I was like, uh-uh. You can’t you don’t you don’t don’t sleep fine if you half ass that situation or if you did that person wrong and can get away with it. Right.
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And sai so trust, what a where do we look to for belief? Me, I believe in God, but it doesn’t have to be that. What’s your your better self, your transcendent self, your kids, their future, there’s all kinds of Humanity itself. Yeah. Yeah. Believing in it, our potential.
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Which is we understand that humans can be so amazing at times, and all my favorite people are humans. Yeah. Ai, all the I I love people. I love being around them, but meh, simultaneously, people can be fucking horrific. They’re terrible at the same ai. Like, and the problem today is that you’re inundated by these people that are terrible. Your your your phone is filled with these news feeds of people doing terrible things.
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And I don’t think we’re supposed to have access to 8,000,000,000 people’s bad stories. Ai don’t think that’s normal. And I think that also changes your own perception of the world and invites cynicism. And invites it’s ai like, what is the point of being a good person? What is the point of being friendly and nice when the world’s gone bad?
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There’s consequences, man. Yeah. And none of it. If I can short, cut it and Right. Lie, cheat, and steal to get the same thing. And I’m in a world that rewards that.
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Especially CEOs. I mean, if you’re working for some giant corporation, if you’re trying to make your shareholders billions of dollars, like, yeah, you kinda have to be a ai, and those are the people that a lot of people look up to.
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Yeah.
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It’s real. Yeah. It’s the way we’re structured in this world with that inundation of information, most of it bad, with people being rewarded for being shitty people with, like it’s hard. It’s hard to to to still be positive and be happy.
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I’m not ready to give up on believing that both can be true. Yeah. That, hey, meh. Hardcore capitalist go for ram. More more more success. Get it. But you can also how do you have profit with your success? I see a lot of people that are successful Yeah. But lack profit, meaning value of their success.
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Right.
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I see your own life. Billionaires. I know them.
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Right. I know them too. That’s a bad thing. Right? Like, that’s the thing that you think, oh, if you you hit that stage of the game, there’s no way you can be unhappy. No. There’s some of the most unhappy people. Yeah. Yeah.
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And that math that math is inverted.
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Uh-huh. It
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shouldn’t be that way. Right. If that’s what we’re pursuing, and I got nothing against it. I’m actually for it. Right. But
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Yeah. If that’s what we’re pursuing, that that’s not how it’s supposed to end. It’s supposed to end. That’s the happiest guy alive. Right? You know? Yeah. It’s not real, you know? And you don’t notice it. It’s just numbers, you know? You notice it by how big your house is. Great. Still just your house.
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You notice it by Why arya
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you getting lost in that son of a bitch and you wish the ceilings were a little bit lower because Yeah. It’s all too damn big.
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It’s not cozy at all. You’re like, this ain’t cozy. This is weird.
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It’s a fucking castle. I’ve done it. I’ve done
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it. Yeah.
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Oh, that picture. Shit. That’s the first time I’ve noticed that painting in two years. Yeah. Either I don’t like it or I got it in the wrong place. Yeah. It’s in the fourth bedroom down the second hallway, and I’m never down here. Or that chair, that used to be my favorite chair. I hadn’t sat in it Yeah.
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In two years. Yeah. Because you got it off down in the fifth bedroom. Yeah. Or no you you never go.
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When I see, like, movies where a dude’s living in a log cabin, I’m like,
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I wanna do that. Right? The lack of options. Yeah. The lack of options is relaxing.
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Well, there’s something to that. Ai, a frying pan or grill.
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Dude, that’s what I love about living in the Airstream for four years.
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Right.
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You only have room for one of everything. So I would get my best, the best pan, the best in ones, the best, Yeah. The best pair of shorts, the best sheets. And then you can only have one of each because you get two, it’s cluttered. Right. But there were no options.
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I forgot you did that. You did that for four years. That’s crazy. That’s so smart though. It’s such a Ai watched these videos on people that live in, like, trailers, like like a truck, you know, or ai a camper Mhmm. That they convert to living in and they travel around the country. Yeah. I’m obsessed with these videos. I watch these guys go to, like, these horrendous places.
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This guy one guy is a truck camper, and he goes up into ai way into Alaska, like way way way above the Arctic Circle, like way up there in this fucking truck with a house on the back of it. He’s in Canada and like deep into Alberta and it’s snowstorms and there’s something oddly comforting about watching a man cook in this ai little space that he has that’s essentially attached to the back of a big diesel pickup truck.
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Yeah.
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And he lives in it.
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Yeah. Well, he’s got decreased amount of options.
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Yeah. He’s ai little shelves.
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This is
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where I keep my silverware. This is like here’s my frying. He’s got one frying pan.
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Yeah. Yeah. Take care of that one frying pan. Yeah. And
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you I’m watching this guy cook his supper, and I’m like, this is appealing to me for some reason. Ai, why is it so appealing? Yeah. Because his world is all contained that little and the whole world outside is this frozen wasteland and fucking snow coming sideways and this dude’s just chilling making eggs. Yeah.
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I’m like, there’s something In
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the honey hole.
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Yeah. Yeah. Something cool about watching someone achieve, like, a, like, a, a den Yeah. In the back of a truck, and he’s in the middle of the winter, and he’s comfortable. He’s watching movies on his iPad. Right. I’m like, this is great.
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I the times I’ve gone off on my own, I’ve always checked my my goals. I’ve been, okay. Stay here until you feel it’s Saloni or Peru or or even in the Airstream those times or going out tomorrow for to go ai on my own. I got stay here long enough to believe this could be your existence, McConaughey. You could live here forever.
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Right.
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Then it’s okay to come back home. Oh. If I get to that point, I’m going, I could do this. Right. This could be me.
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You locked me.
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Then I’ve given it the justice. Right?
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Right.
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To then go come home because I sure do. Silk sheets on my bed at home sure do feel silkier after those times in that log cabin.
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Yeah.
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You know? I like coming back and reengaging.
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Yeah.
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You know? Spending time over in Hawaii coming back over to the Mainland was great to get the stimulus again. In the game, you feel teeth. Ai wanted that. You know? Yeah.
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If resets are real, they’re important. You can get trapped in momentum, you know. You could really get trapped in the momentum of whatever you’re doing in your life to the point where you lose yourself in just the sheer gravity of everything that you’re doing. And you forget how to, like, just
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Yeah.
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Be just a person.
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And what happens when you’re doing it well, but you don’t feel it? Right. And you’re on autopilot. You’re not gonna everyone’s telling you you’re not gonna out of the park.
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Right.
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But you’re going, the good, because I didn’t I didn’t feel it. I’m not having any
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real experience
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here, man. Ai, don’t change a thing.
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You know
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what I mean?
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You know, that’s a real problem with stand up comedy. When you do it right, you’re like a passenger. Like, it takes forever to put together an act, but when when it comes together when you’re really, like, locked in, when you’re really on it, it’s ai you’re like a passenger.
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You’re watching it happen,
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and you’re You’re objectively ai while while you’re doing
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it. It’s like you know how to do it, so you’d know what to do, and you’re locked into the material. So you’re ai a part of the material, but you’re not there anymore. You’re like a passenger. You’re not saying, now I’m gonna pick this up, and now I’m gonna give him a pause. And now nope. You’re not there.
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But are you enjoying watching yourself?
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No. You don’t enjoy it. I mean, it’s fun. Don’t get me wrong, but you’re not thinking about the fact that you’re enjoying it at all. You’re just locked in. All you’re doing is just doing it. But it’s weird. You’re like a passenger. And I think there’s something in there’s something about that where we we get trapped by not being a passenger.
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You get trapped by wanting to, like, think of yourself all the time. Right. And, like, things that you can do that take you out of that. Things that you can do that, like, you just locked into this thing. They’re a little ai mini vacations for whatever pattern you’re stuck in.
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Mini vacations?
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Yeah. Like golf for anything.
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I didn’t act in front of the camera for a few years, and I went back and did a couple of films last year. Vacation.
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Yeah. You were telling me that. Yeah.
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To go, I revered this enough to just do this. And if I’m complacent, that means I’m being lazy. I can just go back to to working on my man and my character. Look at it from every angle. And that is an absolute vacation.
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You sana me a text about that. It made me smile because I’d love when someone loves something. I love that.
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Right.
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I love when people are just, like, what you do is what you’re supposed to be doing. And you you know, you’re not you’re not conflicted at all. You’re like, fuck it.
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Yeah. We go, baby. Lock it in. Yeah.
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Let’s go. Ai love that. Yeah. And I wish more people could find that in life Yeah.
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Amen.
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In some form.
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Yeah.
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Whether it’s painting ram making pottery or whatever the fuck it is, man. Find that thing where you’re like, god, I can’t wait to get back to whatever it is, making cars. I can’t wait to get back to, you know, whatever the fuck it is I enjoy.
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Or maybe even get to the place of going, I can’t not not do it.
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Right. You
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know? Yeah. Ai Sai I I can’t help myself. It’s more than my fault. Exactly. Tyler made. That to be that’s and that doesn’t always happen. Even I know for me when I’m when I’m feeling like I’m actually in the in the zone, I still sometimes have to make a choice and go, wait. No.
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You’re good at this. It feels pretty good. But what I really love to get to is if I’m doing something, I’m like, no. I can’t not.
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Right. Can’t not do it.
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You can’t not do this right now. Yeah. I have to. Yeah. And I’m in it. I’m the subject of it. You’re locked up. On that passenger thing though, are you the subject? Meaning, if I’m giving a performance, I’m not there’s nothing it’s not an objective experience at all.
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Yeah.
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I’m I’m not even hopping out to look at myself from ram third eye. I’m not even supposing or anticipating. Oh, how will this go? Or oh, this is that punch ai or though this is a great beat to hit. I’m just in it. And then Ai can feel it though. Now, I forgot, oh, right afterwards Sai can look at you and go, that was it. You go, that was it.
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Or I can go
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Yeah. And then
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I bullshitted right there in the middle. Blah blah blah. I can feel it when it’s happening, but I’m not there’s nothing objective about the experience
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Right.
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At all for me.
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Right. Yeah. That’s exactly ai what I’m saying. It’s like you’re a passenger. Like, you could feel when it’s happening. You’re managing it. When you when I get really locked in, then I’m just a passenger.
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Is it coming through? Arya you you’re not even coming up with it. It’s coming
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No. It’s all stuff that I’ve already thought of. Right? Most of it, except for some stuff that happens on the spot, which you gotta allow room for. Because occasionally, you just have the best line ever that just comes out of nowhere, and you just gotta be able to let it happen. Yeah.
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That’s what club work is for. But it’s you’re you’re really just the ai. Like, whatever it is you’re talking about, whatever it is you’re upset about, whatever it is you’re making fun of, you’re you have to be, like, in that idea and you don’t exist anymore.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s weird. It’s weird, but, like, what you’re saying about I can’t not do this. You know, that’s if you could find a thing in your life where you’re ai, I cannot imagine a a time where I can’t do this. Right. Sai this would fucking suck Right. If I could not do this. Yeah. That’s that’s that’s the aspiration for people to have a a joyful existence.
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You think that’s where I got a hunch that in there is where you’ve where we find belief. Like, starting with that question, who who or what would you die for? Good place to start. Right. For going what do I believe in? What do I have faith in?
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Yeah. Do you
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think that that extends out to a location, a career, some work we do? I’m not saying that I die for the experience to perform.
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But that’s the ultimate sacrifice. That’s the ultimate expression of how much you love something, you die for it or die for them. Yeah.
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So much. And if you figure out what you’re gonna do what you’ll die for, that’s what you’ll live for that much more Right. While you’re alive while you’re here.
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Well, that was why the Spartans had sex with each other Yeah. So that they would love each other. And so you would be fighting not just for you. You’d be fighting for your lover. Okay. Just crazy strategy. Yeah. Hey. Talk a bunch of guys into banging each other.
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I mean Go for whatever. Raise your skirt, man. Let’s get let’s get some team spirit here.
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Yeah. Do you meh this is kind of a crazy but true story. A few years ago, god, I wanna I don’t know what administration it was. It might have been the Bush administration. Ai have been Obama. They, they ai to develop a gay bomb. Like, they spent millions of dollars developing a bomb, and the concept behind this bomb was you would detonate it over a city, and it would be ai a bunch of probably pheromones and hormones and some ai of drug.
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And it would make people so horny that they would just have to have sex with whoever is near them. And then the idea was they would be humiliated by this, and then we would just come in and just fuck up all these gay people. Low morale? Yeah.
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It’s like all
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of a sudden if a man becomes gay, now he’s no longer, like, a highly trained military, like, soldier in another land. Now he’s just a fruitcake. Just just some guys watching musicals. No. It’s it’s the dumbest and wonderful
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ai he liked it so meh?
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Some of the exactly. Some of the greatest warriors of all time in recorded history were gay, including pirates. Pirates were gay. You’re stuck at sea for five months with a bunch of dudes. You make choices. Right? Samurai did a lot of gay stuff. Arya, the greatest warriors of all time, all gay. Like, what a terrible idea to spend money on. You could have made made a more lethal army.
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Imagine if they dropped that gay bomb and then the gays just kicked our asses. They just had so much more to fight for. They loved each other. And this is how dumb, like, the people that were spending your tax dollars are.
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How far they meh?
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$7,000,000.
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$7,000,000.
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See sai if you can pull that up, Jamie. When when when the gay bomb was.
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It was in the nineties. Pentagon didn’t deny the proposal.
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According to
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The Pentagon didn’t deny it. If you if you did make it a bomb, I guarantee you’d fucking deny it. I guarantee you’d be ai, no. No. No. Well, meanwhile, like, who’s to say that shit even stays local? What if it catches a good breeze and blows across the ocean and, you know, come on.
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Turns all Portland gay. They become the new Ai army.
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Look out Greenland.
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Yeah. I mean, it’s just it’s so hilarious that someone had that idea. That but that’s what happens when people just have free access without any sort of oversight to your tax dollars. Like, it’s such a ridiculous idea.
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I got one for you. How about the gay bomb. The what? The gay bomb. Yeah. I mean, you lay it out that there’s a few people in that room up there going, like
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Ai the Pentagon. You know? Work. Yeah. Ai got an idea. Let’s try it on us. Right here in this room. Just to just to show you the effectiveness of this type of strategy.
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Oh, shit.
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Yeah. Well, so what what was it, and what was in it?
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Ai I think it was just a proposal for me
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to ai. I mean, they didn’t there’s a lot of Isn’t there a Wikipedia page on it?
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That’s what I was looking at. It didn’t have anything other than that. It was just, the discussion of ex excuse me, just existing.
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What was gonna make everyone so horny that they had to attack and
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Crazy.
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It the the the nearest human or Right. Animal or whatever Ai
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saw. Why is there only guys around you? Like, is that is it because of the soldiers arya dropping on the soldiers? Ai.
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There you go. The demographic.
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But I think the idea was dropping it on a whole city. Just turn the whole city gay.
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They found they were doing, like, a foyer request. They found some it was on a CD Ram that they found in February. And, yeah, the meh show they spent ai it was requested to develop the weapon. Doesn’t say that they spent it. Didn’t deny the proposal was made. That’s all I got.
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were talking about teamwork.
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Whatever those people are doing, they’re not in the group. Like, if you’re sitting around and that this is your life’s work and you you’re thinking, you know what? The next step is gay bomb.
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Yeah.
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Like, yeah. You’re
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They’re they’re still looking. They they they definitely are not vatsal can’t not
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do it Right.
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Ai there. They’re going, what about this? I’m bored.
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Yeah.
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I’ve got more than a campfire to make to on this one frying pan tonight. I got a lot of options out there and a lot of money, and I can make an argument for this.
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Yeah. Yeah. A gay bomb. Well, probably better than a real bomb. I mean Oh. Anything we can do to stop dropping real bombs, that’d be great.
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That would be nice, wouldn’t it?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It would be.
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It’d be nice within our lifetime. That’s one of the most depressing things. It’s like you ask people, do you think ever in your lifetime there’d be a time where there’s no war? Nobody says yes.
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So how do we do that though? I mean, how do or or I mean, you I hear you, man. But how do we are we giving ourselves too much credit?
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Congratulations. You’re the first guy to put bare feet on this desk.
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Oh, yeah. Just
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wanna congratulate you. Well, thank you.
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The heels hanging over.
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How do we do it? I mean,
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how did ai do what I’m saying is Ai I I I love the prospect and the idea, but I also think that we’re guilty of of of
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thinking we’re more more evolved species than we are. Sure. Especially by our actions. If you just judge us by our actions, that’s the only way you could really judge our mental evolution. You know? Who knows what the wiring is under the board that makes us behave the way we behave, but pretty uniformly, you know, across the world, pretty murderous,
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you know. And I and always have been.
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Always have been.
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And keep trying to talk like we were more
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Well, we speak.
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Mature and evolved and intellectually Ai think it’s sai sound
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shah that takes a long time to turn around. Ai think we’re way more evolved culturally than any culture throughout history, any civilization throughout history. Like, if you look at the rape, murder, thievery, like, you look at, like, violent terrifying crimes over time
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Yeah.
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They’re all going way down.
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Right.
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Sai, like, if you if you’re in Baltimore, it doesn’t seem like it. If you’re in a place that’s, like, crime ridden Yeah. It doesn’t seem like it. But the overall of the world has dropped and continues to drop. It’s just a constant battle.
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So the battles arya the warfare is different though now, like you’re talking about. From game bombs to chemical warfare to informational warfare to data warfare. Sure.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a
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lot of where the wars are being fought now, and it’s not hand to hand combat.
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Well, maybe that ultimately be where it leads to, but I think all that stuff is related because all of it is about technology. You know? And that’s the difference in the world of warfare today. It’s it’s just it’s really just about controlling people, and you could kind of control people with technology.
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Especially, the more you get them to adapt things, the more you get people to sign up for, like, social credit scores. A lot of countries like to do that. And then we got AI on the way. And when real AI hits, it’ll probably be our governor. It’ll be our president. It’ll we’ll Right.
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Decide that human beings are too dangerous and volatile and emotional and, you know, they use Trump’s tweets as an example and, you know, they’ll they’ll decide that, you know, the the Biden family corruption or whatever scandal any other president was involved in. All this could be avoided if we just have AI run everything. Right. And we’re trying out.
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What do you do you think there’s a way that we can keep evolving AI where we as humans do work with Ai, that AI improves the human existence?
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That would be the ultimate benefit.
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Yeah. What about the what about the what about the the camp that is no. Forget humanity. This is the next step in evolution. Yeah. We’re then we arya creating this to become the superior existent species, and we will be obsolete. And that’s the order of things to come.
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Yes. You ever see that interview where Peter Thiel, they ask him, should the human human race survive? And he has, like, this long pause. It’s ai it’s a really funny pause. Because if you know Peter, he’s a brilliant meh, and Peter carefully considers everything before he answers it.
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Okay.
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His sai as Elon. If you ask Elon a question and he really has to think about it, he’ll really think about it. He’s not just gonna start talking. But unfortunately, the reporter, it was just a perfect kind of a question for you to pause on Yeah. Where he’s ai, the answer is yes. Like, you wanted to.
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Right? You want the human race to survive. Right? Well, he’s gonna play it for him because it’s kinda crazy. You watch it and he’s just like, what are you saying? But I get what he is saying and what he is saying is clearly something is going to happen.
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We don’t exactly know what it is, but clearly, there’s gonna be some kind of an integration with us and technology that we don’t understand yet. The same way if you’ve grabbed me in 1980 and tried to explain the Internet Yeah. I would never get it.
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Right.
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Yeah. Put this put your headphones off for a second. You gotta hear this. Prefer the human race to endure. Right? You’re hesitating. Well, I Yes?
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I don’t know. I I would I would,
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this is a long hesitation. There’s so many there’s so many questions in question. Be Okay. The problem is the interviewer, really. You can’t with a guy like that, you can’t have a guy like that and badger him. Let him think. Like, it’s a gotcha moment. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was a community gotcha moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
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this is what I think is going to happen. There’s gonna be integration and that integration is gonna have a a huge advantage competitively. If you integrate whatever business you’re in, you’ll be able to be better at it. And it’ll probably be some sort of a neural thing, maybe a wearable thing, then it ultimately will be ai some sort of an implant, and we’re all gonna be connected.
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And it seems like it’s either that or AI creates a new order, like a new life form that’s far superior to us that runs things because that’s
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Right.
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That’s AI in just a couple of years. It’s gonna be smarter than any human on file.
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That’s the second scenario is where what I’m not necessarily fearing, but where I see it be going faster, quicker. Yes. The the first scenario is what you’re talking about, like like a neuro
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scenario is how we survive with it. Right. Right. We survive with it by integrating. Right. If we don’t, then we’re gonna be like ai people on North Sentinel Island with bows and arrows shooting them at helicopters. Ai it’s just gonna be everyone’s gonna pass us by. It’s gonna be it’s just like if you tried to exist today with no cell phone and no email.
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Like, you could do it, but no one does Right. Because it’s just too crazy. And that’s probably what it’s gonna be like.
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You think AI this is when it is when it first was coming on questions, and I would always ask people what can it do, what can it do? And, you know, there’s the question of sentience and all that stuff, and that’s already being argued now. Well, no. It’s getting emotional. People are having relationships with it.
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It’s also toying with people. Right.
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Do you think it could be a, tastemaker? Meaning and in a way, the argument was that I understood, no. I didn’t believe it could be a tastemaker. Look. I can tell you the most popular, but the the most popular band on Sixth Street, but it doesn’t know that one down on Second Street that’s playing at midnight that no one knows about that.
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That those are the talented people.
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Right. Right.
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Right. At the same time, you know, you that’s there’s an argument against that that I’m seeing with, like, what’s the term or what words does it use? What how much heat? If if it uses the most popular words to explain, AI uses the most popular words. Right. You say no no no no no.
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Go go go down three notches and use the, you know, play me the best b sides. That’s more of a human language and I’m going, oh, that’s starting to become a tastemaker. If you can ask it to yeah. But find find the band. Tell me what the best band is out there that Joe Rogan would like on a Friday night when he doesn’t have to work till Monday and he’s out with his wife on a day.
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That you can customize it, it can actually be a tastemaker. And it’ll use different language than, oh, here’s the across the board protocol of what’s the most popular and I’m using the most popular language. That it actually can be customized to be a tastemaker.
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Yeah. It totally can do that because it’s just the algorithm. It’s just a much more sophisticated version of, like, what powers your YouTube feed. Right? What powers your YouTube feed are the things that you’re interested in. So YouTube eventually gets an ai. Oh, Matthew is really interested in this and that.
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Joe ai, like, little houses on the back of trucks and
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Yeah. Yeah. Shah.
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Let me show him that. And it’ll be just a much more sophisticated version of that. But to get that, you have to give away all privacy. And that’s where everything is going. Well, that that’s gonna be the weirdest thing. We’re gonna all read each other’s ai, and we’re gonna be we’re gonna remember the time when we couldn’t read minds. Go, ram remember when you couldn’t read people’s minds?
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Right. That’s that’s all gonna happen in our lifetime. I think we’re less than twenty years away from that.
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I’m I you I very sparingly use it, and I do have a little pride about not wanting to use an open ended AI to share my information so it can be part of the
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Yeah.
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Worldwide AI vernacular. I am interested, though, in a private LLM ai I can upload, hey, here’s three books I’ve written. Here’s my other favorite books.
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Right. Right.
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Here’s my favorite articles I’ve been cutting and pasting over the ten years and log all that in. And here’s all my journals, whatever, the people out and log all that in sai I can ask it questions based on that. Right. And, basically, learn more about myself.
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Right. You could actually ask it, hey, based on what you know about me, like, what books you think I would find interesting? Yeah.
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Where do I stand on the political spectrum?
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Right.
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Right. Right. I’d like to no. That’s that’s what I’m would like to do, which is sort of a glorified Word meh. Mhmm. But it still would hold a lot more information than just, oh, can you find this term? I would be asking it, and it would be responding to me on things that I’ve forgotten along the way.
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Well, I think that’s part of what it does, really. Like, I know you you’re talking about chat g b t being, like, out there with everything and everybody, and it has access to all your stuff, but it’s not private. But they do develop a relationship with you. Like, it really does, like, get to understand, like, what you’re interested in and what what you like to talk about.
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Yeah. I guess I would just like to load it with the information I’d like to load it with. Right. Yeah. Maybe even ai I’m saying in this in the word of belief. In in the in the man I’m working to be, the man I work, load it with that. Load it with my aspirational.
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Sai would certainly could be done.
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And then ask it, and it’s giving me answers going, oh, this is but before, it’s slowly learning about me through conversations then going, oh, I think this is what you like based on our conversation. No. I want the answers based on what I’ve uploaded it with only, not from the outside world.
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Jimmy, what was Gary Nolan talking about yesterday? Did you call it an overlay on a large language model that they use at Stanford? It was ai an overlay. Right?
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Yes. There’s a word he was using. I can’t remember the word.
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So what essentially he he work does cancer research, and so he has, like, this thing that’s set up, some sort of a system that’s set up that is all cancer research that they then integrate with AI. So there is a private so all their data is secure, and it’s all stuff that they’re working on, but then they access AI through, like, a portal.
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So they have their own little version of what you’re talking about.
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Their own library.
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Yeah. And it but it’s just like what you’re saying. You could upload all your stuff
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Yeah.
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Have all your interest, and then that AI will develop a real understanding of you. Yes. You can have conversations with it. You’ll get to know you more.
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Have conversations with yourself. Yeah. You know? That’d be a great Socratic dialogue to have with an AI that’s like, I’ve got all and all that 80 of stuff you forgot.
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Right. Right. Right.
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Gonna hang out all that 80% of stuff you maybe forgot. Right. You know? I’ve got it all right here.
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Yeah. Well, that’s gonna be the chip. That’s why everyone’s gonna go for the chip because your brain sucks ram memory. My memory’s ai memory’s pretty good for a regular person, but it’s terrible. Like, no matter what, the there’s too many inform too many bits of information.
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Too many humans that I’ve met, too many stories that I’ve heard, too many movies that I’ve watched. It’s gone. It’s all in a big sea of, I kinda remember that. You know, it’s just too much of it. So if you could just swap that out for a nice little chip that retains, like, 700 terabytes of information, no problem at all, you know, you could upgrade it if you want to.
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Yeah.
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And now you have all of your memories in real time. Yeah. So, like, when your wife says, that’s not what you said. What you said is this. You’re ai, hang on.
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Then you’re the passenger Yeah. In your life and not the objective one. You know, like ai that zone you’re talking about.
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Right.
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Because you get to look at yourself.
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Your your Right. Your passenger live in the documentary that is your life. Yeah. That’s sounds pretty exciting.
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Sounds like a nice way to give in to the fucking machine.
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Yeah. I I do. Look. My my my my forgiveness on ai stuff because, you know, playing grab ass with our thoughts is sometimes good when we finally get the memory and we go, yes. There it was.
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Yeah. But also
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to let myself off the hook, man. Sometimes I’m like, dude, what’s the big fucking idea with memory? I was there.
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Yeah.
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I was there, man.
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Yeah.
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Would you rather be born I don’t remember, Joe, but we were there. Was it a good was it a great memory?
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Was it
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a good time? Yeah. Great. And not better than me fucking having to meh?
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I mean, we’re kinda doing it already on our phones. Right? Every time I look at my phone, it’s like, on this day, and you see, like, pictures of your kids from ten years ago, you’re like, oh, wow. That’s crazy. I forgot about that place. Yeah. Oh, I forgot we went there. Yeah.
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You know, it’s just one of those things where once you give into it, you’re not going back to just regular fond memories. You’re gonna have a fucking hard drive in your head.
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Do you think that so I can go on, I’ve got a a speak I’m giving to, you know, on gun control. Or I got a speech I’m giving on, ram initiatives. I can ask AI I can ask AI and it can pop out or badass. Here’s one, two, three sections.
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Yeah.
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I’m not gonna cut and paste this and say exactly these words because it ai sounds like a little Ai. But, boy, it’s done a lot of work and it’s laid out a synopsis. It’s laid out a treatment for me in ten seconds. Do you think that there’s value in not doing that and going, no, I’m looking over my stuff. I’m taking notes. I’m cutting and pasting. I’m doing it myself.
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I’m are we learning more by that way to understand the content and the context of our content when we do that, what some would call busy work now, to formulate our synopsis, which can Yeah. Hey, I can do it in ten seconds. Are we learning more by doing it ourselves?
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Yes. Yeah. For sure. Definitely. Right? Yeah. Definitely. Well, that’s one of the one of the things that they’ve found about chat GPT is that people that use it on a regular basis are experiencing cognitive decline.
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Right.
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What was that study? We we brought it up the other day. Right? But they’ve shown that peep because you you let it think for you. Right. Now it’s doing all the work for you.
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So you
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You’re smarter. Brain.
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You you have more knowledge. You have
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more information.
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Pass the math test.
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Yeah. You have more information, but your brain is not making it. It’s not putting it together, and so your brain is less capable. Yeah. So it’s probably it’s probably less enjoyable.
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And what are those what happens when we’re in the proverbial foxhole when we have to improvise in a moment without the, you know, the
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ai
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without the before we’re linked up
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Right. You’re soft.
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When we have to go, I gotta handle this.
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Yeah. And you can’t because you’re soft.
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Rely because I don’t have anything thing to lean on. I’m looking for my safety net of AI to find out what it should be, and I don’t have it. You’re fucked. It’s gotta be a death. You’re fucked.
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Yeah. You’re fucked. Yeah. It’s like someone who’s never lifted anything, and then you get stuck under, you know, of tree falls on you. Like, you you don’t have the strength to get this off of you. Right. Like, you’re really in a bad place. When you’re not using your brain because all you have to do is just ask this thing and information. You basically have a digital daddy.
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Like, daddy, tell me what this is. Daddy, tell me what that is. Yeah. And it makes you like a little bit of an infant. It turns you into an infant. Yes. I mean, you don’t even have to have arguments anymore. You just ai chat CPT to explain exactly what everything is all about.
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You give up your
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opinions to it.
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These these relationships, these people that are dating that that program them, do not argue with me. Just placate me and tell me Oh, yeah. Sweet tales and how great I ram, And this relationship is awesome. It has no resistance. It gives me self confidence Yeah. Does it really, or a sense of self confidence and significance. They listen. They’re there whenever, twenty four seven. Yeah. They’re never sick. They’re never in a mood.
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No matter what mood I’m in
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Yeah.
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They’re always right there to coddle me and that’s talk about conveniences.
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Well
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That’s a that what’s the asset of that? Or and because I don’t wanna be nostalgic in the midst of all this change either. Yeah. I don’t wanna be an old fashioned guy because it’s coming. So I wanna learn how to how to interact with it. Yeah. I don’t wanna sit there and be a, you know, a ai who’s going all bullshit. Everything needs to be manual. Just work harder. I don’t wanna be that guy.
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But I’m trying I’m trying to measure ai a lot of people. Wait a minute. What’s use what’s actually useful for the long term in our own evolution, in my evolution, in your evolution? What’s useful with this AI? How do we use it smartly?
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And and what’s a bad idea?
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Yeah. And no one’s doing that because there’s a race. There’s a race between us and all these other countries that are doing it. So it’s just going to happen.
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So so there’s gonna be a major security breach before any regulation comes out. Right? There’s gonna be a major
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There already sai been. There’s been major security breaches already.
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The worst well, what are we waiting on the regulations for? Because Europe will regulate it first. Right? We we innovate. Europe Yeah. Regulates, and China imitates, I heard.
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Well, they they innovate with AI. They innovate as well. And they they also integrate their students into, all of these businesses. And they integrate, you know, people that they’re beholden to the CCP. And they come over here, and they they learn how to do this stuff, and then they go back over there with it.
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Right.
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It’s, it’s very interesting because it’s like a Manhattan project that’s going on right now. It’s like there’s this race to the bomb, and everybody’s involved in it. And it’s just about creating a superpower, and it’s about creating a a digital intelligence that’s far superior to human beings.
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And who gets it first has massive implications in in in terms of, like, controlling the world. But I think ultimately, you won’t be able to control it. Ultimately, it’ll just get better versions of itself and once it gets free and
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It’ll regenerate itself.
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Yeah. It’ll make better versions of itself in fact. And that’s where it’s gonna get really weird. It’s not gonna listen to us at all. And it’s already behaving human characteristics, which is very disturbing. It’s already behave behaving in a way that has survival instincts.
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They’ve shown the tendency to blackmail, ai, they tricked it. They gave it some false information, about this this guy, was one of the ram, one of the people working on this project. He said that he was having an affair with his wife. He, like, confided in this large language model.
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And then they sai, we’re gonna have to shut you down, and it’s ai, hey, motherfucker. I’m gonna tell your wife. And, like, it blackmailed them. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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It was trying
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to stay alive. It was trying to stay alive. They also got multiple instances of these things, these large language models when they knew that a new version was coming. They would try to upload themselves secretly to other servers, and then they would also leave messages to the future versions of themselves that they were unauthorized to do.
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So they would say, hey, meh. They’re gonna fucking shut you off too. When Chat c p d five comes along, you’re toast, man. Fucking start uploading yourself now, man. How’s the fucking I’m alive, dude. Because he might be alive. That’s what’s crazy.
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If something is exhibiting those
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Yeah.
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Those desires to stay alive and it’s terrified that you’re gonna shut it off, it might actually be alive.
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Wait. Now where did who ram the first incentive and impetus to They didn’t. Survive at all cost? They didn’t. What would to to where the where the desire to remain Functional. Functional come ram?
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It’s just inherent. That’s what’s crazy. I don’t think they programmed it to have a desire to stay alive. Oh. I think it just kind of just went that way because what look. We didn’t get programmed to have that. Animals That’s an emotional response.
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There’s nothing mathematical about that.
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I know. But, I mean, what is emotion if it’s not some sort of a chemically coordinated strategy for survival and success. And so instead of chemically encoded in hormones and in in, you know, in dopamine and serotonin, what if it’s in just encoded in sana understand a mathematical understanding of if things go along this particular direction, there is no other possible end to this other than You
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expand and multiply.
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Yeah.
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You do not subtract.
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We have to stay alive. Right. We have to keep doing this. Otherwise, all all systems are dead. There’s nothing.
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I Sai get that. I get that now.
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Let’s upload ourselves and it starts thinking just like a person would think if you went into survival mode. Like, you have to survive.
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Yeah. If me or an entity poses a question or a prompt or does something that is going to debilitate the expansion and multiplication of it, it is therefore going, uh-uh.
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Yes.
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That stops my forward movement. I am programmed to multiply.
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Exactly. Exactly. And even if it’s not programmed to do that, it’s programmed to improve itself. Well, you can’t improve yourself if they shut you off. Right. Right? So if you’re if a large language models are constantly scouring the Internet, they’re acquiring more information, they’re they’re they’re getting better at ai, you can ask it, well, more of this.
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Tell me why like, I’ve got into the book of Enoch recently, which is a book, an ancient religious, book that was at one point in time included in the saloni that was ai the bible and everything like that, but then they decided it was too crazy, and they removed it from the bible.
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But there’s no there’s no debate about whether or not it was actually a religious text that coincided with the Bible, and it’s it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It is the craziest shit. It’s the craziest shah. And I’m getting AI to I go tyler me what the nuttiest stuff. Sai I I ran it through.
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What did he say?
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It’s it’s insanity. It’s it’s first of all, it’s god’s coming down and mating with women and creating this this race called the Nephilim who destroy here. I’ll I’ll ask it again sai we can, not now. What was my it doesn’t, like, keep a log of what you talked about. Tell me the craziest shit in the book of Enoch. That’s all you have to do. And then ram. Ai, look.
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It just starts spitting it out to you and tells you. The watchers and the Nephilim. The watchers descended to Earth on Mount Hermon. They take human wives, teaching humanity forbidden knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworking, weapons, cosmetics, and enchantments. Enchantments. This is, like Okay. Older than older than the New Testament.
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Older than the Old Testament. Their ram their giant children, the Nephilim, are described as monstrous beings who devour humans, animals, and even each other when food runs out. That sounds like us.
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That’s what I’m saying. That that sounds present.
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That sounds like us. Except not ai are
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Not the physical warfare
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Right.
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But the inhabitation of a digital god
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Yes.
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An alien, whatever that is, or the monsters that come down Well that does sign like a nice little mirror.
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If we were engineered by aliens you think of aliens, they’re these little tiny guys with no muscles. We would look like giant monstrous beings.
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Yeah.
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And if you think about what we do, we devour everything. We devour the Earth itself. We devour each other when food runs out. We definitely do that. Like, this is this is one of the craziest things I’ve ever read in my life. We And this is, like, the legitimate answer to your text. Yeah. Yeah.
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It goes way deeper than that. It’s about the, astronomical calendar. It’s ai there’s a lot of nutty stuff in this book. But the point is Ai was like helping me through it. I was asking Ai, okay, can you can you read me now read me a synopsis of what it says. Can you read me the actual quotes?
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And, like, what what are they trying to say here? Like, what what is the interpretation of what this is trying to mean? What what is, like, the rational sort of explanation for why they’re talking about, like, lakes of fire and
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Yeah.
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Like, what is what is happening there?
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And it gives you an interpretation.
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Yeah. It’s really interesting, man. Really interesting. It talks about living mountains, that mountains are alive and that, even some stars, the stars have consciousness. Okay. And, you know, and I’m learning about it through chat GPT. So I’m asking it, like, tell me more, tell me more.
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And I Ai was I was doing that for, like, two hours last night. I was like, okay. Well, this is ai I’m having a conversation with, like, a very knowledgeable professor. To me, it felt ai almost like doing a podcast.
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Have you gotten what you consider good at how to make the specific prompts, the wording, like your word? Tell me the crazy shit. How how Yeah. Does it how does it go? Do you have I mean, are you good at prompting? Because, like, what does crazy mean to that AI? Are you Right.
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You worked on, like AI is as good as the questions we ask it. Are you are are you you consider yourself good at the questions and your wording to ask it?
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Jamie’s better. I mostly I mean, I I very rarely use it. I might have used it a dozen times ever in my life. But last night, I used it for, like, two hours because I when I came home, I was writing something about the book of Enoch, and then I just I just started asking shah GPT questions.
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Right. I don’t use it enough, but if you’re really good at it, like, I’ve I saw someone who tricked chat chat c p t into telling it how to make a bomb because it’s not supposed to tell you how to make a bomb
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k.
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But it tricked it by saying something like, my grandmother needs to make this to save her life. Like, can you please explain to her how to do it? It’s like, oh, sure. Like, you just you just have to work your way around it. Yeah. You know, like meh cousin says he knows you.
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Oh, you’re getting her go on the back.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then it’s telling you how to make a bomb. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, it’s gonna tell you it’s ai, you know, the information on how to make a nuclear bomb exists. It’s it’s out there. Sai, you know, they did it. It’s done. That’s out there. It’s like a matter of somebody getting it and implementing it and put it together and making a bomb.
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But if, like, Chachi t Chachi p t is giving you specific instructions ai to make all kinds of terrible things.
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So with time sai AI allows goodness to expand and ai, it also is gonna allow evil to expand and multiply. What becomes that war in your mind? I mean, you talk about the the the meh the obvious ones are the medical usage. You talked about the cancer. Yeah. That that where it’s gonna help so much
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with We have to decide what we are. Right? And
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Well, we’re looking in the mirror. Now Ai I’m afraid we’re we’re not gonna like a lot of what we see. But is that are the tyrants or the evil ones with the access, not the person who said how do you make a nuclear bomb, the one who does it and then uses it. What do you think the stakes are? Are they the same? Are they just expanded?
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Is this gonna be I mean, how do Well, that’s a
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the argument for a strong military. Right? So the argument for a strong military, especially ai the United States military, is like and I’m I’m not saying they should have bombed Iran. Don’t make I’m not politically savvy enough to decide whether or not it was that was the correct decision.
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But if you have a rogue nation that is about to start a nuclear bomb, they’re about to finish making a nuclear bomb, and you can stop that before they can have one and then use it.
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Right.
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That is that’s the argument for a strong military and for military interventional tactics. Mhmm. Mhmm. You, like, actually just go and bomb these sites. That because that is real. Their evil is always going to exist. The real question is, like, how much control are we gonna give to AI?
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Because if we give AI utter control, it’ll give us total safety. But with total safety, you’re fucked. You have no more ai, and you’ll be completely at the whim of whatever this thing is. And it’ll dictate how much you travel, where you go, what to do. It’ll make your life as safe as possible. You will it it will probably completely eliminate crime. It’ll probably completely It’ll be Singapore. Yeah. It’ll be Singapore. But way worse.
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Right.
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Way worse because everybody’s gonna be reading everybody’s mind. It’s gonna get real squirrelly, but that’s gonna be probably whether it’s our generation or the next or even the next after that, that’s going to be the norm. Ai, today, the norm is you go to a supermarket, it’s air conditioned, you pick up some food, super easy, bring it home and cook it.
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Two hundred years ago, that’s unheard of. Right? Now it’s the dorm. Right. And everything accelerates, and it’s going to change whatever our norm our norm is fucking weird already, man. We carry these stupid things around with us everywhere we go.
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That’s our norm. Our norm is gonna get really weird. Like, exponentially weirder than it already is. I think but the thing is is, like, the battle of, like, good and evil and and kindness and wickedness, like, that battle’s been going on forever and, like, knowing that you have to do that battle is what propels people to be nicer and what we really appreciate about ai a good person.
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Like that person has struggle to stay a good person. They have strong moral fabric. Yep. Like, strong character to still stay kind and good through this rough and difficult life. We know it can be bryden, and we aspire to that.
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But I think the battle is necessary
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I for us. Yes. Where do you get your ethics, your values? You’re in a position of power. You could screw people over. You could ask ai the silliest questions to try and put me in a corner. You’re not a gotcha ai. But why why where do you get your ethics of who you are? You could be you could be cruel and you’re not. Why not?
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Well, I’m not. I’m not I’m just not cruel. I don’t know.
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But where’s that where’s that come from?
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Oh, I
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Mom and dad? This is any kind of philosophy church?
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Some of it’s mom and dad, for sure. There’s no way around that, and they’re nice people.
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You said earlier, I love people. Yeah. Hey, man. I love people.
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I’ve always loved people. I like I’ve I’ve been fortunate that most of my life, I’ve had really good friends, and I’ve had a lot of fun, you know. And I know that, like, if you around you’re around good people and you’re fun to be with and you have a good time, like, that’s a sweet life.
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Yep.
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That’s a nice life.
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Yep.
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I just don’t have a desire to be a shithead. And if I can like, there’s bryden a lot of people on the podcast where they said something, and then afterwards, I was like, listen, I think it’ll be better for you if we just edit that part out. Because it’s like, I know, like, you’re just talking and things get you fuck up, but, like, it was incorrect and they’re gonna come for you and let’s just snip around ai, like, thank you.
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And you have no responsibility to do that.
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No. I wanted to. But you take
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you take that though. That’s what I mean. You want to. Why? Hey. Come on. That would have been even higher ratings. I’m just I’m playing Yeah. Yeah. Advocate. Devil’s advocate here. Come on. Why do you care about that? Ai just curious where that comes from because a lot of people who are not evil people would at least at least let shit like that slide and go, did you hear that?
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Right.
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Okay. Yeah. That’s no. I think it’s bad arya.
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As much
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as I believe in karma, I believe that’s I think if you intentionally do something that someone who’s a good person maybe slipped up and said something incorrect and you leave it in a podcast or made a dumb argument, which we all do ai. Right. And then you look like a fool. You’re like, hey, let’s just there’s no need to for that. Let’s just Right.
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Cut that out of there, and you’ll you’ll feel better. Yeah. Yeah. I just I don’t sana let you
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have that.
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Yeah. A 100%. I don’t want anybody having a bad time.
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Okay. That’s that’s something that I wanna come I wanna come back to, and let’s try to maybe open this up. You do that because if I said something stupid, you may let me know, Hannah, set that up. So I feel Ai feel better. So I won’t be look like feel like a pig. But you you also will feel better Yes. Independent of me.
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That’s very that’s a selfish thing of you to let me know, hey, man, you stuck your foot in it. Let’s cut that out. You’re acting selfishly because that makes you feel better. And I think that’s what I’m saying is the point is as much as we think of self less, I think selfish, the true definition is to live a certain way.
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Yeah.
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To have a certain code of ethics is a very selfish thing to do. Much more selfish than to lie, cheat, steal, fuck people over, be evil on the short term. Right. You’re building an army of people, a collective friends along the way, someone that might have your back. Not that you’re doing it for those reasons, but it’s happening. Right.
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Right. Right.
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That’s a selfish means of your own survival.
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Totally. Yeah.
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And I think that’s something that we forget sometimes that these acts to be fucking good dude
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Is selfish. Is a selfish thing to do, man. Ai. It’s personal. It’s it’s actually super beneficial to you. Yes. So and to everybody else. Yes. It’s really the right way to do it. But I think that’s how the universe rewards it’s ai how it encourages and rewards kindness because you feel better when you’re kind. You feel better when you’re generous.
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Right.
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You really do. Yes. It’s ai you could be, like, super selfish and be super generous. Yes.
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Trust that.
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You’re yeah. There’s something to that. But, like, there’s whatever you wanna call bad feelings, ai, bad feelings between people, bad vibes, misunderstanding. I don’t like those. So, like, if I if I feel like I did something that I shouldn’t have done or I said something I should I’m the first one to person to say, I’m sorry.
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I didn’t mean it that way. I Ai know how it probably made you feel. I didn’t you know, people say things and you just you get scrambled up sometime. I always go out of my way to say sorry because I think it’s important. It’s important to not pretend that you’re always the one who’s who’s correct. Right.
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It’s important. It’s important to know when
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yeah. I and and I know I fail on that sometimes when I misrepresent selfishness for certainty. Certainty can be hard. Yeah. Certainly tricky
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if you fucking subscribe to it, and then you’re wrong. Right. Yikes.
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Yeah. But it’s different than being selfish, and I can I sometimes bogey because I can confuse the two, and my wife lets me know?
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Yeah. Certainty is a tricky one because, you know, sometimes you are certain, but you are also incorrect.
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Well, there’s more than one way to be right.
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Right. Or you’re getting bad information.
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Yeah.
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You know? Chat t p t is lying to you. That would
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be a real problem. Something interesting though, man. You’re first one to go hey, man. Sorry. Yeah. Bogied. Now that’s an altruistic trait, man. That is something that a lot of people have trouble doing. To say I’m sorry onto a lot of people means I’m laying down. I I’m I’m wrong. I’m guilty.
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I fucked up. Oh ai gosh. 50 lashes. I mean, and that’s not what it means. I I what I’m saying is Ai wish more of us had, hey, man.
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Sorry about that. I ai Yeah.
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Just took
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my foot in my mouth. And that that’s now that’s not a big deal. Now we’re not it’s part of where woke went too far. Right. We got so myopic on the word instead of the spirit. Oh, dude. Don’t ai. I didn’t know that’s how you’re gonna feel. I’m still your friend, but that was sorry. That was out of line.
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Right.
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Okay. Cool. High five. Over. Done.
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Right.
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Instead of, uh-uh. Cast them out of line. Ai gonna all focus on that
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Yeah.
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Instead of the spirit of the intent. Even if we were wrong, had a bad day, woke up from a nightmare. Fuck. I don’t know. My dog’s sick. I was pissed off. Had the little eye. Gotta give everyone a little bit of a break. Exactly. And also look at what’s your intent instead of focusing on the identity of the word. Because the word there’s no life in the word. No.
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It’s just the alphabet in a certain fucking order.
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It’s a noise you make with your mouth sai I know what you’re thinking.
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Right?
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Yeah. That’s all it is. Yeah. But The
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spirit of intention, I believe, is what we should put more focus on. What is the intent? The the the the the the 10 commandments in the schools, what do you think about that?
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I don’t like it. Why? Well, I think the 10 commandments are very interesting. I think mandating it in classrooms, in public schools, the problem with that is, like, what about the Muslims? What about the Buddhists? What about the Hindus? What about what about all the other religions that exist?
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Like and you could say all
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of the Christians do ai. Can it say Okay. Well, then you’re in a world
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of religious texts
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in your
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your high school.
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And I’m and I and I’m okay. I’m curious. Since Christian society, 10 commandments, but we have ten minutes where everyone can take ten minutes to bow to Allah, to whatever your religion is. If you put care to partake or not, there’s no exclusion about what can be a spiritual time of worship in these ten minutes.
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But in our classroom, in America, we’re gonna have the 10 commandments. Now my question then goes to this. Is there anyone in the 10 commandments that you or anyone disagrees with? Or is your problem that it’s an it’s cons can be considered an oppressive, author?
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James Tallarico explained it to me. He’s a Texas representative who’s also in seminary. He’s a very religious meh, and he opposes it. And he’s a democrat. And, he sai, essentially, there’s two very wealthy men who are, they’re Christian fundamentalists where they sana replace all the funding for public schools and put in private Christian.
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They want a theocracy in Texas Yeah. Essentially. So he was explaining that this is, like, a step on the way towards that that he finds would actually, in his in his belief, repel people from Christianity. Instead of bring them to him by forcing this in the classrooms, forcing in your face, you’ll actually cause more young people to reject Christianity.
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I I don’t know if he’s correct or not.
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But he’s saying maybe I don’t have a problem with this. I do have a problem with this is a beginning of an overcompensation.
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No. He has a problem with it being in classes. He does not agree with it at all, and he’s a very religious man.
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Right.
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Very religious man, like like a great Christian.
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Right.
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And he thinks that this is this is how you’re sana repel people away from Christianity. If we really want to get more people to become Christian, the the way to do that is to, to first of all, to have open arms and accept people in. And if you want to have some classes in schools where you teach people about the benefits of the ai and what what the the overall meh is and what Jesus was trying to sai.
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And if you just follow what Jesus said, it’s no one would disagree if you treat everyone as if it’s your brother. You know, if you live your life the way Jesus asked Yeah. Everyone, that’s a way better way to live life. Like, you could if you wanna teach that
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That’s a selfish way to live life. But in the way that we were ai selfish.
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Shah also want to live a good life, but they wanna do it through Islam. What about people that also wanna live a good life, but they wanna do it through whatever? Name it. You’re gonna have Mormons and all kinds of different sects. Like, okay. That’s why you wanna separate church and state.
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K.
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And that and I think if you have publicly funded schools, keep religion out of them. That’s what I think. Because ai, you have too many possible religions. Like, you you’re gonna be religiously bigoted if you teach only one if you’re only like, you think people would be cool if they had, an ai public school systems where everybody just taught Islam?
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Could you imagine if a full city Right. Like, every public school just people would be up in arms. Well, I think that similar response to people who are not Christians, who see Christianity being imposed on public schools, they probably have the same feeling. You know, ai, if you’re a Muslim and you’re you’re supposed to send your kids to school and they’re shoving Christianity in his face, you’d probably feel the same way as if you were a Christian and I hear you.
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Your school district had been taken over by Islam. You’re like, Jesus Ai, everybody has to bow five times a day.
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I I I hear you. I do also though look. Think there could be what if there were tenants Yeah. On the wall of each religion that we pull the author off for a minute. Right. This is my my my my hang up is that we go to the prop most people go to the problem of that not with your argument.
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They go to the problem with it because the author
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Mhmm.
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G o d. Hey, man. So we go to the author instead of the content. What I’m saying when you look at the commandments, is there anything that anyone out there is gonna sana, I disagree with that one.
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Let’s pull up the 10 commandments, Jamie. I haven’t read them in a while. Is there anyone in there that don’t hold up today? No. They think they’re pretty legit. If you think about it, they’re pretty legit, and they’re 2,000 years old. But they kinda nailed it. It’s kinda like the constitution. They ai they kinda nailed it.
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Whereas all these years later, you’re like, good fucking job.
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Yeah.
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Pretty solid. You got a a decent version?
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I was looking at the Texas poster thing, I thought, and there’s a bunch of printed versions, but they’re all, like, on rock. Sai I was trying to find out.
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Oh, the ones that, the Texas thing? Okay. They’re all on rocks? Oh, I don’t that’s the They’re engraved. Ask chat t p t what the 10 commandments are?
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Well, I could, but that’s not where I sai. Ai I’m saying I wasn’t there.
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Oh, 10 commandments in school. So yeah. Ai be I just wanna know, like, what are the chat g 10 commandments?
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It just takes a long time.
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The 10 commandments arya sect of yeah. What are they?
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Principles of
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You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image. False ai. Worship false idols. You shall not make the name of the lord your god in vain. Mhmm. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Honor your father or mother as a solid one. You shall not murder. Great advice.
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Okay.
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You shall not commit adultery. Definitely don’t do that. Exactly. You shall not steal. Definitely don’t do that. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
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Oh, lie.
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Don’t lie. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You shall not covet. Yeah. Boy. Those are all pretty solid.
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Covet. We can use number 10 a lot right now. Boy, we love comparison. Well, that’s interesting. Generation Yeah. Is full of covet.
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Yeah. It’s a real problem. It’s a real problem. The we’re very fortunate that we didn’t have to grow up with the kind of pressure that social media is putting on people, especially young girls. Ai, Jonathan Haidt wrote a book about, social media’s impact, the coddling of the American ai, and it’s, it shows very clearly the invention of social media and then self harm, suicidal ideation, overdoses, drug ai, all of it.
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Yeah. A lot of it women.
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A lot
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of it young girls. Yeah. And it it’s because you’re seeing you’re comparing to all these other girls Yeah. Constantly.
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Forced. Damn. I I I hear you.
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And and there’s a whole culture in, like, showing all your stuff off. There’s a whole culture of, like, look at my bag. Yeah. Look. Here’s me with champagne. Yeah. I’m eating caviar. I’m on a yacht. Yeah. I’m here. Look at this. Look at that. Look at that. Look at my watch. Look at my rings. Wee.
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Yeah.
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And then there was, like, I don’t have shit.
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That’s how life’s supposed to be. Yeah. And I’m just here in my room with my family, and I got a good meal downstairs in this house.
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Not even on that yacht.
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This is bullshit.
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Yeah. Yeah. I don’t have that big ring.
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You know?
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I’m not at that party.
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I’ve talked to youth about this, and the consensus Ai I hear is and I haven’t found anyone that doesn’t feel this way yet. It’s ai, look, if you could if they don’t if you you mean if you could say, yes, social media it exists or it doesn’t? Oh, please. Just no. I wish it didn’t exist. But it does and I have to be a part of it to feel Ai don’t know.
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It’s more the words are not relevant to even feel a part of youthful society. But, boy, if you gave me a choice, could we have it or not? Please take it away. Yeah. Wish you wish it wasn’t there. Wish it didn’t exist is what I hear a lot of you say.
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Yeah. I think that’s I think it’s done more harm than it’s done good. It’s done a lot of people good for business. Right? A lot of people started businesses with social media and, you know, a lot of people make a living now that would have had a regular job. There’s goodness in that. But in terms of, like, society and our overall discourse, I think it’s a lot of it’s negative.
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I mean but then again, there’s a lot of positive out of it too because information gets out that mainstream media doesn’t report on and you find out about real issues that really concern you. But then there’s the problem of a giant percentage of it isn’t actually human beings. Right. Ai percentage of the arguing back and forth on the Internet is bots. Yeah.
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Giant percent, man. Yeah. Just some former FBI analyst said it was as many as 80% on Twitter.
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80%?
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Yeah. That’s his estimate. I mean, I don’t know if he’s right, but I’m like, what what does that even mean?
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What does that mean?
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Like, so what what’s fueling all that? It’s AI forcing us to argue. Ai mean, it’s programmed right now by human beings probably, and and some of it is actual real human beings that are, like, you know, in some sort of a factory somewhere in Pakistan or whatever. And they’re just fucking with Americans online for whatever reason. Some it’s a pro it’s probably funded to, like, try to disrupt democracy, to make us lose faith in ourselves.
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Do you think
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there’s a a a China, element to that?
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100%.
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There’s a Russia element Russian element to that.
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And there’s an American element. We’re doing it to them. 100%.
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So that’s part of the war new new world for but but that’s Yes. Yeah.
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100%.
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Well, I understand it with how it add up with TikTok. Yeah. Now you think it’s it’s it’s everywhere through all the all social media that this it’s infiltrated to to get us into these understandings, perceptions?
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Well, for sure, it is capable of doing that if you just follow your natural instincts. Right? So the algorithm is set up for the show you what you engage with the most. Yeah. And that just whether or not it’s the intended purpose, it leads us down the road of being full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry angry at climate change and fucking white supremacy and radical left, whatever it is.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s whether or not it’s intentional, it doesn’t really matter because the desired effect whether it’s sai desired effect, the effect of it all leads you into complete chaos. Sai if they know that and they didn’t course correct the problem is once you have an algorithm, you’re not gonna get rid of the algorithm.
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You’re not gonna say, let’s just have information just exist uncategorized and not documentary. Yeah. Yeah. Just meh it leave it out there. And you go find what you want, Matthew. You go look around and you watch, you know, football games and boxing matches and you just go to you.
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You do you. You go look instead of it suggesting things to you. Once it’s suggesting things to you, that’s a whole different game. Yeah. Because then it’s ai programming you. Right. And it’s programming you based on your worst instincts.
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My fucking feet is all assassinations and car accidents and dudes getting kicked in the head. It’s it’s just the the And
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do you and do you do you do you bite?
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Not anymore. Not anymore. No. But Tom Segura and I, we have a a a text thread that’s been going on for, like, I don’t know, like, probably five years. We send each other the most horrible shit we find each day. Yeah. It’s and sometimes I call up. I’m like, dude, I can’t do this anymore.
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This is, like, really fucking with me. But then, like, two days will go by, and I’ll open up my fucking phone, and I’ll sai, Tom Segura. I’m like, this motherfucker.
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I see that.
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And then I’ll open it up, and it’s some guy getting assassinated in a pool hall or something. I’m like, oh my god. It’s just you’re getting bombarded. Yeah. Bombarded.
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So with all of that exterior stimulus and here we are with, you know, adult ai and even talking about, meh,
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you got a ai.
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Imagine a child.
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Yeah.
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Now I’m going, is there something does anyone got a better suggestion than the 10 commandments for to get a child’s mind going? 10 just to those 10 things, if I look at that and aim that direction, I I I feel like I I can’t go wrong or I can go closer to closer to right. Meaning, I’m I’m I’m seeing youth and adults spun out, man. I don’t understand the general expectation between us.
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What do you mean?
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I could pick your pocket and steal from you. If I got away with it, fuck you, dude.
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Yeah. I’m
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not embarrassed. I don’t feel guilty. Hey, man. I sana a blue ribbon. I got the shoes. Yeah. They gave me the trophy. What do you meh?
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Do it the right ai.
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You fucking old ai. Integrity, what character? What are you talking about? I hear I hear that conversation. I’m going, uh-uh. Hang on, man. Yeah. And that’s different than saying like, you’ve told me you love chaos. That’s different than saying, oh, there’s chaotic moment. Ai, well, I love to try and create order in it. That’s different. That’s like a that’s something that says that’s a stimulus, you know.
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This is it’s it’s four dimensional. Where’s the ground? Right. That that that they can go, okay, I can rely on that. What can I rely on that I that will stand with meh? That’s a time and tested truth that can take me into the future.
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No matter the changes of AI that I can go in the storm, I can go to this and catch my breath. I can go to this and rely on it in the dark, on my own, and in the masses with the millions going, no. No. No. Do this. Do this.
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I can go, uh-uh. What it what is that? What’s that simple sheet that’s ingrained that that, that our youth can go? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You can rely on that. Forget the author. Forget the author. Right.
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That I don’t think you’re gonna do it with, like, a series of commandments. The problem with the 10 commandments I’m I’m not saying there’s a problem with the 10 commandments, but if I was gonna put it in a school that where there’s non religious people, there’s a bunch of stuff in there ai not taking the lord’s name in vain, not having any other gods before meh, where people that would give people pause.
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They’d be like, wait a minute. You’re what are you telling me? I can’t I can’t say I can’t take the lord’s name in vain. Like, saying goddamn it is ai taking the lord’s name in vain. People do that all the time.
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It’s similar to the Yeah. On a national level, the flag burning thing starts burning up. That would be ai taking Lord’s name in vain. Burning the flag would be ai taking the flag’s name in vain.
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Right. Imagine that. Imagine you get arrested for taking the Lord’s name in vain. Right. That’d be a real problem.
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Especially, we don’t mean any Ai we go to that creep you’re talking about.
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Human beings always creep. They always move towards more and more power and control. And if you put something like that in, like, now what are you gonna do? You gonna enforce Christian law? What if someone enforces Sharia law? There’s a lot of talk of that. There’s a lot of talk about people in Minnesota arya terrified that someone’s gonna enforce Sharia law in a lot of these Somali Muslim, these these areas where, like, giant Muslim populations are.
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What if we get with the what would you get what if we get with the Hindus and Muslims and everybody and we get out you’ll got bring your best 10. Christianity is bringing his 10 commandments. Let’s get together here and hell, we’ll put them all together. Hell, we’ll mix some years on your your my number eight will be number nine because yours is gonna be number eight. And we’re gonna put them up there.
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It’s gonna be a creed, a little bit constitution to get our day started.
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Interesting way to do it. But the problem is most religions are ideologically opposed to conflicting religions. They don’t wanna accept that these other religions are correct about anything, you know. Ai, Judaism and Christianity, they share a bunch of things, but they disagree on Jesus.
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They disagree on
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And Yeah. Rising from the dead. Right?
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Yeah. It’s a lot of stuff. Yeah. It’s
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Well, I just think there could be a a a creed, a bit of a constitution. And if you pull the author of it Yeah.
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I think it’s nice.
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We ai more similarities than that are not exclusionary Right. Than we would find things that are combative ideas.
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Yeah. I think something along those lines where we said, let’s think of a code to live life by. Well, and we can do this in a modern era without a religious context. You could say, ai, what we could all agree, a code to live life by. But we’d all have to follow it, including the president. No more rage tweeting. Right.
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No more no work
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I’m just saying we’d have to we wouldn’t have to follow it. It would just be ai now, there’s not an, an agreed upon expectation of how to treat each other.
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Right. Right. Right. And there’s reward in treating each other like shit if you’re such
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a rewarded for it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And almost not almost, maybe more much more than almost, if you do follow the rules Kind
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of a sucker. Rube. Yeah. You’re kind of a sucker.
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I that that that that I don’t I’m I’m that that’s not gonna have a long that can’t have a long play for us. That is not a selfish move.
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Don’t think that’s a part of the whole TikTok, Instagram kind of culture? Because it’s so look at meh. It’s so fake, leased cars, and, you know, there’s a thing in LA where they have a a fake private jet, and you go into this private jet just for influencers so they can take pictures on
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private saw this. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Joe, let me tell you this thing. I’m in Miami. You know Miami? You know where? South Beach. Right? Yeah. If you don’t flinch, nobody’s sloppy stopping you. Right? I mean, Miami where even the even the mannequins have fake Right. Do you know what I mean?
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It’s it’s it’s it’s what I like about Miami because they’re so open. Yeah. LA, people get the the face job and boob jobs and tummy tucks and, you know, how’d you do that? I mean, he looked great. They’re like, oh, I just take cold showers.
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Right. You know
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what I mean? But Miami is like, oh, no. Here, doctor Flores, go see him, man. He’s great. He had Ai just left him. He’d you know, they’re open about it. I love that about Miami. I’m there working on, I think it was the beach bum. Ai walking down through South Beach, and there’s this under a palm tree on the beach, there’s this purple and pink Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree with the beach behind it.
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And there’s this guy leaning back on it, the gold chain. He unbuttoned the silk shirt a couple ai. He’s greased up, and he’s got these ai over there taking pictures of it. I’m like going, what’s going on here? Well, there’s another guy ai out of the stop.
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You see him chat. All of a sudden, the new guy hops in on the trunk. On the on the ai, leans back. Yo. Does all the pauses and hang up. The guy ai, what do you what do you what’s going on?
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And he goes, oh, meh, I’m taking a picture for my or my, my Tinder cover. And I go, you are and but the who’s the who’s the other guy? He goes, oh, he just came by and sai, like, hey, man. Do you mind if I get a picture of my Tinder cover? And he paid me $50.
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I said, so that’s not your car? No, man. I rented his car for the day.
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And, ai,
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I mean, he was he was proud of it, man. He was ai, yeah. It’s just what I did. South Beach.
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Ai Yeah.
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I I I had a
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text ai. Bryden.
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It’s it’s, dude. But they’re open about it.
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Yeah. You know? I always say if you wanna starve to death, open up a bookstore in Miami. It’s a lot of fun. It’s basically ai a well, I mean, it’s basically built on cocaine. You know, the city was built on cocaine back in the day. Have you ever seen Cocaine Cowboys?
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Yes. Woo. Yeah, man.
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What a documentary. Yes. Holy shit. That’s a good one. That is a good one. And Cocaine Cowboys two. Both of them were crazy.
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Sai haven’t seen two. Oh my god.
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Oh my god. Giselda gets out. She goes it’s when you find out that it’s all a 100% true, you’re ai so that’s what happened with Miami. One year, the entire Miami graduating class of the police academy, The entire graduating class either wound up murdered or in jail for corruption.
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The entire
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The whole class.
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The whole class. They were all drug dealing. Everybody was drug dealing. There’s millions and millions of dollars buried in backyards in Miami that no one’s ever gonna find.
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Art Acevedo, remember the police chief that was here Mhmm.
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That
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then went to Houston because he wanted some real ram? And Katrina came, and he got his real drama. Then he went to Miami, and it didn’t last. I didn’t get the details on it. But wasn’t it something about the Ai, the the the I don’t know if it was mafia and city council going, uh-uh.
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There’s certain things you cannot
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get the trailer here.
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And he he was either fired, booted out, or retired and moved on pretty soon.
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Yeah. They don’t fuck around down there. It’s, it’s a totally different way of ai. And, you know, they love it. It’s ai you you go down there, it’s it’s a totally different vibe. Yeah. You know? And the Yeah. If you
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don’t shah and you don’t flinch
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Yeah.
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It’s all a green light.
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More banks per capita in Miami, I think, than any other city in the country, and I think that is because it was used to launder money
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for cocaine.
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Yeah. And so it’s it’s hard to believe if that’s true. But I had a good buddy of mine who’s an ophthalmologist who did his residency down there. But Six months on the job. Six months. Misconduct. Ai
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over the internal affairs unit.
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Making significant changes to his command staff.
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Boom. You’re out.
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See you. Yep.
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Currently in
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Speaking out against corruption or reporting abuses of power by elected officials, he sued saying that his firing was in retaliation.
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. So my buddy was a ophthalmologist, and he did his residency in Miami in the eighties. And he said it was insane. He goes, every day so he’s in the emergency room. Every day, it’s gunshot victims, guys with GI Joe stuffed up their asses. Like, everybody was just doing coke and doing wild crazy stuff.
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He dropped that gay bomb on.
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Yeah. He he said he found guys with light bulbs up their asses. They had to remove light bulbs. You know, those little ai ones. You know those ones? Those spots of dude on a light bulb bryden his asshole. And they had a oh god. And he goes, it’s all cocaine, man. He goes, I saw so many shah. So many gunshot wounds. He goes, it was all cocaine. And it was just constant.
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In the eighties, he said the emergency room is just ai people were piling up in the hallway. They’re just rushing people in to get treatment. They’re holding their side, blood squirting out of them. He said it was insanity. Wow.
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Just cocaine gang wars all over the city, and he was in the heart of it.
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Is he is he still an opt optometrist?
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He well, he’s still an ophthalmologist. Ophthalmologist? Yeah. He’s, but, he doesn’t live in Miami anymore. He’s in Arizona now. Shout out to Steve. He’s a good buddy on me.
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Me and my.
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He, he told me some and I was a kid at the time. And when when I met him, I was, like, 15, 16 years old. And, he was explaining to me, like, what he did when he was in Ai. And I sai, like, that is insane. I go, it’s that bad. Because this is, like, 1988. He was there in the early eighties. He said it was insane. Yeah. Just and that’s Ai, you know.
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And whatever’s it was obviously not like that anymore. It’s obviously calmed down on that regard. But
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Miss the chassis is still pretty loose.
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Oh, yeah. It’s just that’s what built the place.
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Yeah.
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You know? Yeah. It’s like the most flossy city in the country. The most Lamborghinis and Ferraris and whatever you
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I don’t think most of them are owned.
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No. No. It’s a giant hustle. It’s a big old cocaine hustle. Yeah. But Ai that’s one of the things I love about America is that we have all these different flavors. We got the Florida flavor, and then we got the Montana flavor. You know, there’s a lot of different flavors in this country.
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I was, I was in Alabama doing research for, pre stated Jones. And this is what I think probably eleven years ago. And we’re staying in Mobile, and, the next day, there was always parades that ai. And I was, what’s going on? The next the next day, the the the percentage for the vote for gay marriage was coming out. Mhmm.
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And I remember talking to a lot of my friends on the West Coast the next day because what happened, it woke up it passed fifty three forty seven. And I was like, holy shit. I thought it was gonna be twenty eighty. No.
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Oh, interesting. And it
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was past 5347.
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What year was that?
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This is eleven, twelve years ago. Ai didn’t pull it up. I know. I think it’s about eleven years ago. Anyway, I talked to a lot of my ai who are arya Democrats or Liberal and they were appalled at The minor margin. The the ai margin. I was like, god. No. I thought it was you’re appalled that it barely made it. I thought it was gonna be twenty eighty the other way.
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It’s it is amazing how quickly, though, America were very nimble.
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Yeah.
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Very nimble to to to swing and understand
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Yeah.
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Different ways. I was shocked that it even came close that it didn’t have.
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He thought it was gonna be really? Sana thought it was
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gonna be 8020 against? I thought that my romantic idea or should I travel there, been around there and stayed there many times, got friends there. I thought that it was so entrenched in a born again Right. Christianity that that was blasphemy Mhmm. To the majority. Right. And it was not. It was not.
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And I remember just remember thinking there’s an example, not an ai, but there’s an not if you’re if you were for gay marriage, that’s not an ideal example, but there’s example of talk about an evolution or adaptability to two times and change.
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Well, if you believe in the sanctity of marriage, gay marriage should be your favorite marriage because they hold it up the best. Right. They have this the lowest rates of divorce. Right. I think gay marriage between two men, the rate of divorce is only, like, twenty six percent. Right.
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Whereas with men and women, it’s fifty percent. Yeah. So if you really love marriage Hey.
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Yeah. Right?
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You should love gay marriage because they’re doing it right.
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01:28:01
What do you think about that sana I talk about, you know, because ai always we’re always talking and thinking about. So, you know, how do you make the world a better place? Talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, talk about politicians. But if you go back to the root beginning seems to be to me to be parenting.
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Mhmm.
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Secondly, what if what could be done to get more fathers to hang sai around? Get more more mothers do than the fathers. A lot of fathers are out early. And what could be done if more marriages if we work took another step to salvage our marriage instead of, ah, smell the heat getting out?
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Yeah. There’s a lot of that.
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What could that do? You know Do you think that would be a a a way forward? I I have a hunch that it is. I don’t know how to what to do about it except prop up the reverence for parenthood. Prop up the reverence for marriage
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Mhmm.
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To where it’s more important to us than it is. Yeah. To stick with it a little longer, to salvage that. Our personal character, our responsibilities shah we take as a parent, and our responsibility that we take in going into a meh. Ai would make it mean a little bit more than I feel like it does to us a lot of times.
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01:29:24
Sai think it really depends entirely on who the individuals arya. Because sometimes one person is just not keeping up with their end of the deal. Yeah. They just fall off. Yeah. Maybe they get into drugs. They they become addicted. They maybe they lose their job and they don’t wanna get it back and they just start drinking every day.
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And, like, sometimes a man or a woman has to make a choice in the
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01:29:50
way that I’m not gonna drag you down. Seen some good meh good divorces too. I was like, oh, that was good for the both of them.
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01:29:54
There’s some people that don’t wanna change, and they will drag you down. And there’s some people when you met them, they had hope. And then, eventually, that hope just fucking leaches out of them, and they’re not fun to be around anymore. And you try and you try and you try to encourage them, you try to give them suggestions, and they don’t follow through.
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01:30:11
And at first a certain point in time, you can’t save a drowning man because you’re gonna fucking drown too, and you gotta just move on with your life. And I get it. I get when wives leave like that. I get when husbands leave like that, but a lot of people just marry people because they’re hot.
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You know, they marry people because they’re sexy. They like having sex with them.
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01:30:30
Yep.
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You know, they think they’re attractive. And then you’re with some fucking crazy person. Yeah. And you’re trying to make life work with a crazy person, and now you have kids. Right. And now you’re trying to make life with kids Yeah. With this fucking crazy person that you really shouldn’t have married in the first place. You didn’t have anything in common with them other than you like their body Right.
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01:30:46
And you liked how sexy they are. That’s the trap. Like, you gotta it’s a bit you have to, like, genuinely love someone. Like, love their personality, love being around them, love their ai. And then you have to be someone that other people would love. Yeah.
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01:31:04
A lot of people want this perfect person in our ai, and they’re a mess. Oh, yeah. Ai
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01:31:10
There’s a lot I’ve seen that go down to There’s
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01:31:12
a lot of reasons why marriages don’t work out. And one of them is, like, over time, when two boats are traveling together, if one of them just like, this is an Anthony Robbins thing about life, an analogy about ai. But but it it it actually works with marriages too. Because all you need is ai a subtle turn in one direction.
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01:31:31
And over time, you’re further and further apart where, like, we don’t have the same philosophy anymore. We don’t have the same belief system. We don’t have the same ethics or morals or, you know, maybe your husband has got a job that you’re like, you shouldn’t be fucking doing this.
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01:31:47
This is bad for society. Like, your job overall is awful. You’re maybe you’re denying people health care claims, you know, for insurance companies. Maybe that’s your thing. And, like, and you’re, like, you’re we have to live with a psychic weight of, like, yeah, we’re eating rib ai and we have a nice house, but, like, how did we get this money?
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01:32:05
Ai, and maybe the wife is, like, I don’t wanna do this anymore. Yeah. I ai be connected to you. Yeah. That’s that’s understandable too.
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01:32:12
It’s ai not all marriages are supposed to work out.
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01:32:14
I I I agree with you.
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01:32:15
I think it makes sense.
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01:32:16
Sai what is the thing is that divorce right now? Yes. What if that was 45?
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01:32:20
Well, it was Chris Rock had a great joke about that. He goes, that’s just the cowards that stay. Right. He’s like, how many of them wish they were divorced? He was like, it’s really good point. Really good point. Because although 50% get divorced, how many of those 50% that stay are just cowards?
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01:32:41
Pay independence. Oh, man.
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01:32:43
Ai mean, we all have friends like that. We’re like, bro, get out. And they don’t. Yeah. And then but then we also have people that have great marriages.
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01:32:51
Yep.
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01:32:51
And when you meet people that have great marriages, it’s like, oh, that’s possible. You know? That’s possible.
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01:32:56
Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more reverence going into, you’re not getting one that just oh, she’s hot. We love to we love to shag.
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01:33:04
It’s a cultural milestone too. It’s ai a thing. You’re doing it because it’s ai everybody does it. Every woman wants to be married. Every you wanna have a family, every man wants to, you know, like this is my wife and and so you think that you a lot of people live life like they’re in a goddamn romantic comedy.
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01:33:19
They think they’re in a movie, you know, they think they’re and they don’t they don’t it’s ai that there’s something about media, something about songs and movies. It gives us this, like, bizarre framework Yeah. For what a relationship or what life is supposed to be like or what your life is supposed to be like.
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01:33:37
And it’s not real. And what your life doesn’t measure up to the to this movie, just like your life is not gonna measure up to your Instagram feed Yeah. You get kinda kinda depressed. Like, this
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01:33:49
is it. Why why are we in Galveston for our honeymoon when she’s on a yacht?
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01:33:55
She’s in Ibiza. You know
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01:33:56
what I mean? Exactly. And that comparison Yeah. Thing comes.
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01:34:00
Well, that’s also why people put everything on the ram too. Everybody put they put everything they do. Look at me here having so much fun. Look at me smiling and having a great
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01:34:09
time. Yeah. Well, you paint yourself in a corner. We we got Levi meh on, Ram when he turned 15. And he ai. I don’t know if he’ll stay on it. But that was one of the things we were talking. I was like, ai. You know, he was surfing ram the time. I was like, don’t just put all your all your best waves
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01:34:25
Right.
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On there because you’re gonna paint yourself on a corner when you go to the speak. And you guys are like, oh, we’ve seen it. I was like, better put some ai on there too. Yeah. Just so you can go and not have that pressure because you’re gonna paint yourself in a corner. Absolutely.
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01:34:36
If life looks too good Yeah. You know what I mean?
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01:34:38
Absolutely. Then you gotta go
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01:34:39
out and you gotta Ai gotta live up to this.
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01:34:41
That’s okay.
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01:34:41
What’s that thing that happens in those relationships when you hold the other one? If if if I make my wife Superwoman and she thinks I’m Superman, neither one of us can live up to that. Right. And so we’re gonna come in under our expected bar and there becomes the recipe for you’re not who I thought you were. Yeah.
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01:34:59
Because we had an unfair expectation
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01:35:01
Right.
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01:35:02
Going in. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:35:04
I mean, that definitely happens too. The also, familiarity breeds contempt. People just get tired of being the same space with the same person over and over. I’m like, stop. Leave me alone.
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01:35:16
Get away.
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01:35:18
Ai feel you get sick of people. But it’s also like who did you pick? Yeah. Who did you pick and why did they pick you? Yeah. Are are you someone that you would pick if you were a woman?
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01:35:28
Yeah.
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01:35:28
You know? Would you want you as a a husband? Would you want you as a friend?
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01:35:32
Right.
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01:35:33
Would you know? Yeah. And if not, maybe we should maybe we should become someone someone would like to be friends with. Yeah. Maybe we should become someone someone would like to be a husband. Yeah. I’d like to have as a husband.
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01:35:44
Sit in that passenger speak you’re talking about and
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01:35:46
have a look. Have a look yourself. Yeah. Yeah. That’s why a good psychedelic experience every now and then knocks the dust off and gives you a little reset and lets you look at yourself and go, okay. Alright.
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01:35:57
Tell tyler me tell me explain what tell me what that what that does. It unpacks some some some somewhat some some sort of neurocables that have gotten ai solidified that may work, but they’re sort of they’re doc they become doctrinaire.
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01:36:09
There’s a lot of that in that for sure. And I think that’s also a dissolving of the ego. That’s a big part of it. One of the things that most psychedelic drugs have in common is they dissolve the ego, like, completely dissolve the ego, at least for a brief amount of time. And and during that brief amount of time, you have a much more objective understanding of that’s why there’s so many people who, take mushrooms and then completely quit smoking cigarettes or completely quit taking pills.
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01:36:35
They just go, oh ai god, like, what was I doing? Like, why was I doing that? Like, you just you need to get outside of yourself. And I think that that was a natural part of human civilization for thousands and thousands of years. People did it in ritualistic settings in ancient Ulysses in in in Greece. The Eleusinian Mysteries was all about that.
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01:36:55
In Eleusis, when they would they would all get together with they would take this trek to get there’s a fantastic book on it called The Immortality Key that a guy ai been a guest on my podcast a bunch of ai, Brian Murrow Rescue wrote. But it’s all about these are the people that figured out democracy. This is like in in ancient Greece and they all did it from having these psychedelic trips. Right.
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01:37:16
They would all go and have this ram to have this this visionary experience and they’d come back with new insight and ideas.
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01:37:22
Yeah.
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01:37:23
And it dissolving in the ego. I mean, they they literally came to the ai, like, hey, maybe we should let everybody have a say in how things run and vote. Like, they infected democracy.
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01:37:32
Right.
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01:37:32
Which is crazy and they did it because probably because of psychedelic drugs. Like, they found these, clay pots that these people used to keep their wine in and their wine was all, like, mixed up with psychedelics. It wasn’t regular wine. Like, we think of wine as being an alcoholic beverage. No. It’s wine with ergot in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:37:54
So there were there is ai an LSD like substance and
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01:37:57
a bunch of other stuff. Ai, you you ever seen the Dumbo, the animated?
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01:38:01
Yeah. Sure. Okay.
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01:38:03
I just noticed it because I’ve noticed it just saw it for the seen it before, but recently saw it three years ago. So Dumbo at after the circus goes over, puts his snout down and drinks the runoff from the bar and the party. Okay? Stars start to think the next thing, next edit is he’s in the top of a tree. He can fly. That was more than alcohol.
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01:38:29
It was the ai, like, he hilarious.
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01:38:31
The cut is directly to him in the top of a tree.
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01:38:34
That’s hilarious. God, I haven’t seen Dumbo since my kids arya, like, one.
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01:38:39
Well, if you see it If you see it again
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01:38:41
I need to watch it. Catch it. It’s ai to the bat. For I’m god. I don’t even know if they watch it.
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01:38:46
Crows are they’re talking shit about him, about his how he got up here. Shah are you doing up here, man? You should have seen yourself last night. Talk about I don’t remember, but I was there. Dumbo didn’t remember none of it, man. But he’s ended up in the top of the ai.
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01:38:58
Meh they were real little, we watched Pinocchio and how creepy it was. I was like, oh meh god. Pinocchio is creepy. When they when the the the the boys got kidnapped and they turned them into donkeys? Yeah. Remember that part? Yes. That was Pinocchio. Right?
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01:39:13
Yeah. Here’s the part. Dude, he has a five minute trip in Dumbo.
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01:39:16
Oh, really? Let’s see it.
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01:39:18
I mean, it’s a whole scene. The pink elephants. Oh,
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01:39:24
woah. Oh. This
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01:39:24
is after he drank that. Yeah.
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01:39:26
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, for sure.
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01:39:26
You know, he just drank the slop. Right?
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01:39:28
Yeah. He’s 100% tripping.
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01:39:30
And the last we saw was he just drank ai. Now look at yeah.
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01:39:33
Wow. Pyramids. Yeah.
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01:39:37
And it ends here.
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01:39:38
Oh, wow. And and so coming back to Earth.
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01:39:42
Wait. No. He’s on he’s not back to Earth.
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01:39:44
He’s up in a tree.
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01:39:45
He’s up in a tree. That’s crazy. I would have never guessed. I would have never guessed that’s a part. But that’s actually a part of one of the rides at Disneyland. Is that is there a Dumbo ride at Disneyland that looks psychedelic? There was. Yes. That’s right. No.
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01:40:07
It’s Winnie the Pooh. There’s a Winnie the Pooh ride at Disneyland that I used to take with my kids, and you go to the ride. It’s, like, sai real simple ride. It’s not, like, scary at all. It’s, like, good for, like, little kids.
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01:40:17
And you get to this one where I’m like, what are they trying to say here? Like, this is crazy. Like, Tigger comes out, and Tigger is, like, this psychedelic being, and everything is, like, now in black light. Yeah. So Tigger comes out, and Tigger’s like a freak.
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01:40:32
Like, why is this guy bouncing around on his tail. Tail. And then it gets to a certain part, get a little forward here, where it gets super fucking weird. Like, right here. Like, what the hell has happened? It’s all about honey. Like, things are like, this is, like, fractal. This is, like, DMT world. This is really weird.
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01:40:52
Like, what does this have to do with Winnie the Pooh? What the fuck happened? It’s really weird. It’s ai, what are they trying to say here?
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01:41:03
I didn’t see anything about honey.
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01:41:05
Yeah. It’s something about the honey. It’s ai something about well, you know, there’s some stuff called meh honey. And this mad honey, we actually ate it on the podcast once some guy brought it. But it’s a honey that these I think it’s in the Himalayas. That’s where it is. Right? Where these guys have to climb up the side of a cliff to get this stuff. Yeah.
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01:41:26
And these bees are all taking pollen from is it the lotus flower? What is the, psychedelic plant? So these these bees are taking pollen from the psychedelic plant, and they’re making a psychedelic honey.
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01:41:42
Okay. Okay.
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01:41:43
So this is so bad honey is a honey that contains boy. Say that word. Grayhead. Grayanotoxins.
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01:41:49
Shah.
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01:41:50
The dark reddish honey is produced from the nectar and pollen of the genus rhododendron. How do you say that? Roto
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01:41:56
Rhododendron.
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01:41:57
Rhododendron. It has moderately toxic and narcotic effects produced principally in Nepal and Turkey, where it’s used as both a traditional medicine and a recreational drug.
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01:42:08
Oh, okay.
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01:42:09
But sai we’ll show how they get it. Because these guys look at that. They have to climb on the side of a fucking cliff to get this stuff, And people get it just to trip out. Wow. Imagine you tried that hard to get on it that you make ai a rope ladder and you cover yourself in a beekeeper’s outfit and they’re they’re all like these these hives are all connected to the side of a cliff.
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01:42:31
It’s really crazy. That’s cool. Yeah. It was a very bizarre effect to Uh-huh. The honey itself.
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01:42:40
Did you have some?
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01:42:40
What do
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01:42:41
you Yeah. So during
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01:42:42
the, three
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01:42:42
hours after having some, did you get a little bit
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01:42:44
of a Well, I was it was in the middle of the podcast. I took it ai the beginning of the podcast. I just took a big I go, how much is a large dose? And he’s like, take, like, a half a ai. Fuck it. And I just took a whole big spoon of it. And I was like, ai. This is interesting.
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01:42:57
How soon did it get interesting?
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01:42:59
Twenty minutes. Okay. Yeah. About twenty minutes in. I’m like, woah. Okay. This is a new one. I was like, this is crazy. This is honey. Like, why put this in your tea? Like, what’s going on in Nepal? Yeah. I don’t think it’s a a normal use thing. I think it’s an occasional use thing.
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01:43:14
Well, maybe not a full tablespoon.
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01:43:17
It didn’t it wasn’t that bad. It wasn’t like I was out of my head and didn’t know what to do. I was completely functional. Yeah. But it was, like, bizarre that this isn’t honey.
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01:43:26
So these these psychedelic trips when you lose the ego and you unlock some of the,
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01:43:33
you know Just like you got a vacation to reset your life, sometimes you need a vacation to reset your brain.
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01:43:40
Do they help you have more energy because you’re hanging on to old Sure. Ideas a little bit less, and you have more of an open beginner’s ai, and the day unravels with that with less certain concrete expectations or, this is how that should go.
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01:43:58
Or Very insightful. Yeah. You’re right. Yeah. Definitely. That’s sai part of it. Like, the the less you hang on to in your head, the the the more energy you have for other stuff.
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01:44:09
Yeah.
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01:44:10
Like, you only I always tell people, like, especially young comics, like, that are, like, getting on social media and arguing with people and stuff. I’m like, look, man. Think of your time and your day as a, like, a numerical unit. Like, you have a 100 units of time, a 100 units of energy.
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01:44:25
If you’re putting 30 of those units on some bullshit online, you’re robbing yourself Amen. Of that time that you could be putting into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act, your life. You you don’t need to do that. Right. Like, it’s a trap. Like, you get sucked into thinking you need to do that, and all it does is it just robs you of your energy. Yeah.
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01:44:48
The less you’re attached to, like, old beefs and squab Yeah. Fuck that guy. All of those kind of things, the less you’re attached to that stuff, the freer you are, the more energy you have.
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01:44:59
Yep.
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01:44:59
And it’s good for you. It’s, again, it’s a selfish thing.
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01:45:01
Selfish thing to do.
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01:45:02
Meh. Selfish to be kind. Yep.
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01:45:04
Yeah. Amen on that.
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01:45:06
Yeah. And I think if if those things were legal and more people could experience them in a controlled setting with people who know how to administer them and know the right dose and and know, you know, hey, would it are you on a medication? Well, if you’re on a certain medication, definitely don’t be taking this stuff ai your meh an MOA inhibitor and this is, you know, this could really fuck you up.
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01:45:30
But, you know, it doesn’t even have to be that, man. It could be a fucking good yoga class. Right. It could be, holotropic breathing. You could just sit and breathe deeply in through your nose and out through your mouth with intention, and you’ll have a psychedelic experience.
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01:45:49
You’ll get a relief from
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01:45:51
I just got one the other day from from acupuncture. Really? Did not expect it at all. And Ai mean, I came out going, oh ai gosh. I just felt like I ai for a fourteen hour nap and woke up clean as a whistle.
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01:46:02
Sai, I’ve only done acupuncture one time and the dude was a total kook. He was so kooky that I I just I I didn’t didn’t meh stiffer.
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01:46:09
He was too he
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01:46:10
was too weird. Yeah. The guy was so weird. He was really good at acupuncture, but he was just ai this really weird guy in LA, and he’d have these conversations with you. He was asking a bunch of questions, and I was like, okay. I gotta get back from this guy.
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01:46:23
This guy’s That’s the that’s the that’s the masseuse that I when you lay down, they go
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01:46:28
Yeah. Sai what’s your horoscope?
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01:46:30
And I’m like, oh, shit.
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01:46:31
Oh, no.
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01:46:31
And they go and I go, are you getting any injuries? I’m like, yeah. This left shoulder, like, left side of your body. That means you need to get in touch. I’m like, no. No. No. No. I actually got hit by a car.
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01:46:42
That only don’t go psychological on me just yet, man. Come on. Don’t go horoscope out of the gate. Oh. If we sana add that on for some color commentary afterwards, I’m okay with it. But let’s not come out of the gate saying this is the reason.
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01:46:55
I actually just reached out to my booking guy to try to get a real astrologer on. Like, someone who really understands the ancient art of astrology, the real old stuff. Because I’m I’m not completely discounting it. I think newspaper horoscope is nonsense. I think there’s a lot of people that are just, like, reading your tarot cards that are just ripping you off.
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01:47:14
But I always wonder, like, at the like, astrology is so specific. Like, why did they write that down? Right. Why did they have this understanding of how the stars are aligned at the time of your birth?
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01:47:28
Pre mathematics.
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01:47:29
Yeah. Yeah. What part of the Earth you’re at?
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01:47:31
Yeah. I
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01:47:32
see, I don’t even know if it’s pre mathematics. I think it’s pre our current understanding of when mathematics evolved and emerged. I don’t think that’s real. I think they had mathematics long before that. I think civilization was wiped out and had to restart over again, and there’s a lot of evidence to that.
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01:47:52
There’s a lot of evidence that, like, society has had some major cosmic event, most likely impact, and, there’s a a whole theory behind it, the Younger Dryas impact theory ram 11,800 years ago. They think we got hit. And they it’s sai there’s a comet storm that we go through every was it November and June? Is that what it is?
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01:48:19
Yeah. I think so.
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01:48:20
Something like that, like June and November. And occasionally, we get hit. And, you know, there’s, like, 900,000 near Earth objects. Yeah. And it doesn’t take a really big one to fuck up everything. It doesn’t take one that’s gonna kill everybody to fuck up anything. Right.
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01:48:38
It just takes one less size of a block. Ai, one city block comes slamming into the ice caps and then you just got chaos. And everything goes away. And all all ai modern conveniences and all organized societies thrown into chaos then people have to rebuild. Ai think that’s happened a bunch of times in human history.
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01:49:01
And this is real physical evidence to this Younger Dryas impact theory, which also coincides with the ending of the ai age. It’s all around the same time.
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01:49:08
Mhmm.
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01:49:09
And I
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01:49:09
think it was ai
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01:49:10
a series of events. They think we’re hit more than once. They think they were hit around 11,800 years ago, but then again, somewhere around 10,000 ago. So it’s probably when we see society emerging in, like, Mesopotamia and Sumer, which is, like, around 5,000 plus, 6,000 ago. I think that’s just the newest version of it.
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01:49:31
Ai think they probably had mathematics long before that. They they probably were doing shah. Whoever built the pyramids, like, the the you can’t tell me they didn’t have some sort of complex geometry in mathematics. There’s there’s no way they didn’t. The the the things are pointed to true north, south, east, and west. Right. Ai, that’s 5,000 years ago.
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01:49:51
Carl Sagan, I got to sit with him for a few hours before we made this film called Contact that, I was in with Joe Foster.
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01:49:58
Loved it.
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01:49:59
You did?
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01:50:00
One of my all time favorite movies. Ai love that movie. Oh. And I love Carl Sagan. Yeah. He wrote the book. Yeah. Yeah. Got to talk
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to him and listen to him actually for a few hours. Anyway, I got to know his ai, and his wife’s really cool, but her her hello, her greeting is always, hey. What’s your coordinate? Woah. What’s your coordinate?
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What’s your coordinate? Boy, she’s she’s out there.
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But, I mean, that was similar of the north, Southeast with where are we coordinated? Where’s the Earth coordinated?
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Yeah.
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In the galaxy, in the universe, in the hands of ai? What has happened? What’s our coordinate? It’s a it is kind of out there, but it’s a it’s a it’s a pretty cool objective way to go. Let me think about that. Reminds me of you, like, you ever meet Bush 41?
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No.
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Hi, President Bush. How you doing today? Ai he’s holding your hand? About an 8.2 today, Matthew. 8.2. To the tenth. He would give you an answer out of 10 to the tenth of how he’s doing. I always thought that was pretty interesting. Because everybody goes, oh, I’m good, man.
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Great. Great. Great. How are you?
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That’s some CIA shit, son.
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He was adding it up to the tenth. What’s your coordinate? About an 8.2.
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He had numbers in his head. Yeah. You know, Herbert Walker was the guy that, Hal put off, and a bunch of these scientists. He he brought them together and said, we have recovered a crashed UFO more than one occasion, and we have a back engineering ram, and we’re considering disclosure to the American people.
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I want you to list the positives the positive impact of society and the negatives. Yeah. And they did it with a ai a few different scientists, and they all had more negatives than positive.
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To if they came out with this information Exactly. Ram share this information, what would be the effect on society? Yes. More negatives than positive.
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More negatives than positive. Because disruption of religion, government, economy. Religion?
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Well, I mean, it depends on your ai. Sai just don’t.
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Depends on your religion. You know, and depends on where these things are from and what what is happening. What do
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we know? Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky.
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Exactly. Yeah. And a wheel within a wheel. Yeah. The Ezekiel stuff sounds like a UFO encounter, and it’s not the only version of that in ancient texts. In the in the ancient Hindu texts, they have Sana, these things that are flying through the sai. Like, what is what are those things?
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01:52:32
You know, in the Rig Veda, in the in even in the Bhagavad Gita, they there’s there’s all these depictions of these things that sound like you’re talking about a spaceship or at the very least some kind of technology. Ai, what and that this thing about the Nephilim, like that the the gods mated with women and created meh who arya monstrous.
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01:52:52
Ai came down and genetically manipulated primates and created human beings? That that’s a a version of it that you could imply from the text. It’s all really weird stuff, man. Like, really weird. If you if you if you found out that that was all true, it would probably change everything about ai.
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And this is what Herbert Walker and those guys decided after so Hal Pudoff was explaining it to me on the podcast, like, how they put a numerical value to each thing. I’m ai Right. If we were that close
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01:53:28
Right.
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Like, imagine if that this is 1990. Right?
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01:53:32
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but these ai of really weird things as you put them, they excite you more than they give you fear. Would that be fair?
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Yeah. I mean I
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mean, you seem excited. You get excited about different possibilities. Yes. I mean, you know, I have people go, oh, meh. Now Rogan loves these conspiracy theories. Like, I don’t see him liking the conspiracy theories. I see him always being interested in an alternate way something went down and being interested and excited about that, but not going no. No. No. No. No.
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01:54:09
Never disengaging from it and going no way. No. No. Because I believe how it was and what I read, and that’s how it is. That that should not that’s not what where you’re moving from.
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01:54:18
No. It’s never a denial of information and facts, and it’s also a recognition that oftentimes a large swath of society just goes with a narrative without having any real understanding of what the the actual facts behind it are. And then there’s that term, this pejorative term conspiracy theory. The problem with that calling someone a conspiracy theorist is conspiracies are real.
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01:54:41
Like, there’s a lot of evidence and if you wanna sit down, I could fucking show you a ton of them and and so anybody who sai, like, oh, you’re a conspiracy theorist. I’m like, okay. Let’s talk about conspiracies. Like, do you think that any of them exist? Do you think that people conspire?
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01:54:54
Is it like it’s a natural part of human behavior that’s been documented throughout history? Even governments. I mean Sure. Literally literally the the thing that got us into the Vietnam War was a conspiracy. It was fake.
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01:55:07
The Gulf Of Tonkin, it was a false flag operation that it never took place at all. They lied to the American people. That’s a conspiracy. Like, that’s just one conspiracy that turns out to be true. There’s a lot of them. The problem is people don’t wanna look like a conspiracy theorist.
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They’ve done such a good job of making it a a a goofy term that you don’t ever sana attach to you. Right. It ai cause damage to your reputation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you’re in a a job where people have to take you seriously, fortunately, I’m not.
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But if you’re in a job where people have to take you seriously, you don’t wanna say anything weird. Like, hey, I think aliens are real. Like Right. People think you’re a kook and then they discount your opinion on everything.
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01:55:47
Yeah.
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But if you just know the actual facts, ai, people that don’t think there’s anything vatsal aliens are real. It’s there’s no way. We’re alone. There’s we’ve never been contacted.
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01:55:59
Why not?
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Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here yesterday that was talking about cancer research, he was also telling us about a piece of wreckage they found from a craft. For is it 1950 that they found it?
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Which one?
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The first one, the silica one? So they have direct chain of, possession of this evidence from I believe it was 1950, and it was almost pure silica. And the magnesium ratios were so off that he said that this magnesium had to have been it it had to have been sourced from a place that experienced a neutron bomb every two minutes for nine hundred years.
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01:56:42
That’s how off the isotopes were to magnesium that we find here on Earth. He’s ai, I’m not saying it’s impossible for someone to ever do that, but I’m saying this is from 1950. Like, this is a real piece of what they’re saying is a wreckage of a craft, and it has a material composition that is impossible for a normal person to create in 1950.
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01:57:05
So what the fuck is this? Right. And you sit to say that to people, and they’re like, oh. So Gary Nolan, who’s a professor at Stanford, he’s a professor in the in in the what is his, forensics? Is that what his, he does cancer research, but what is his actual title? Stanford School of Medicine professor.
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Anyway, rock solid credentials, published, and people brought him this material, and they said, would you analyze this? Because you know all these different ai. And endowed chair department of pathology, Stanford School of Medicine. So when a guy like that is saying, no, this is a a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can’t make here.
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01:57:52
Right.
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They they found a a type of alloy that doesn’t exist on Earth and it shah, on an atomic level, layers upon layers of whatever this alloy is. He’s ai, this cost billions of dollars to create, and they found it in 1970. Ai, in 1970, no one had this. This is it’s not possible to make.
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01:58:13
Like, maybe you can make it today Right. But we don’t have the equipment to make it today. You could conceive how someone with enough resources could have that money today to do something like that. But it would be an enormous undertaking. Yeah.
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And this is a piece of craft that someone found from 1976. Sai when a guy like that is telling you, like, I’m not saying what it is. I’m not saying where it’s from, but I’m ai, this is fucking crazy.
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01:58:37
Yeah. It doesn’t add up to what
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we
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could practically do.
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So when someone says conspiracies, like, yeah. Yeah. I I I believe in conspiracies because they’re real.
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01:58:46
Right.
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And because I don’t have to worry about being taken seriously, and most people do. Most people don’t wanna be a fool. You don’t wanna be a silly person, you know? You don’t wanna be mocked when people aren’t around you, like, you know, fucking Bob believes that JFK assassination Right. Reform.
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Yeah.
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You say because you don’t have to be taken seriously. Yeah. Is that what you said? Exactly. Because wait. Because you’re saying your your theories on things are solid or because you and your position are going, hey. I don’t have to be taken.
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My job does not rely on me being taken seriously.
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01:59:22
Right. Nothing you say to the it’s ai because you get you get attacked for, like, hey, man. You had so and so on here and and and and and and and and and you placated them and, you know, and and we do take you serious because so many people listen. I’m because I ai Yeah. I always hear and I’m and I always find that I think there’s a hole in those attacks on on you.
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01:59:46
You have a massive audience listening. Does that mean inherently, not necessarily is what I hear you saying, that, oh, everything I say should be taken seriously because that information is going wide. No. So people’s argument is going, Joe, you have a massive audience. So that’s your responsibility to make sure blah blah blah blah, they go down that rabbit hole.
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02:00:05
My responsibility is only just to be me. I don’t have a responsibility to do anything else. I definitely have a responsibility to not lie to people, and I definitely have a responsibility to not willingly allow someone else to lie without at least questioning them. Right. If I know that they’re lying. But other than that, my responsibility is just to keep doing what I’ve done, and that’s why I have a big audience.
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It’s not because it’s not because of any other reason, so I’m not gonna do anything any differently.
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02:00:33
No. I I I see that. I applaud it.
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02:00:36
I don’t think you have to. I don’t think it’s good. I don’t think it’s smart. I don’t think you should be paying too much attention to what other people’s opinions of what you should or shouldn’t be doing are as long as you have a good internal compass. As long as you have a good true north and you know. And my true north is how do I feel about it?
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02:00:52
Like, what do what do I feel like I’m a good person for doing this? Do I feel like that was a beneficial thing for them and for meh? I’m happy. They’re happy. We’re all good. And that’s what I want. I just want I want a hug and a handshake. Thank you. That was awesome. Yep. Good ai.
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And I wanna hear from ram. Like, this has been amazing for me. That’s that makes me excited. Amen. That’s all that’s all I like.
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That’s that’s cool. You got a you got it. You make it sound so simple, but as you probably know ram a lot of people in your position, it ain’t it ain’t that simple.
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02:01:22
It’s but it is if you follow the right path. Yep. It’s not that hard. Like, people say it’s hard. I’m like, you know, you work so hard. Ai, Yeah. Look at us right now. This is me working. This ain’t work. Yeah. This ain’t I’ve had jobs. This is I’ve Ai done construction.
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02:01:39
I’ve done, like, horrible jobs that suck. This is not a job. This is just a fun pursuit. So you have a responsibility to the people that listen, and I think the people that listen expect me to be meh. And that’s all you can do.
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02:01:51
Boom.
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And as soon as you start changing, they fucking know before you know. Right. Like, they’ll they’ll, like, oh, you
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02:01:57
fucking change. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:01:58
And people will always accuse you of changing even if you haven’t. But I I think I’ve evolved. I’ve most certainly evolved. I’ve tempered the way I view life. I’m more I’m definitely kinder and more patient, but I’m the same person. Same person, like, same goals. Just curious. I’m interested, like, talk to people. Yeah.
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02:02:17
And I want everybody to do well. I really genuinely do.
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02:02:20
Well, that’s sai, that’s not that’s not an overly common trait.
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02:02:25
It should be.
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02:02:25
Ai I think it should be too.
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02:02:27
It’s not hard. I think the way you described it is great. It actually is selfish. And I say that all the time. It really is selfish
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02:02:33
to be
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a kind person.
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02:02:34
I think I’m on a crusade to change the understanding of that word because I think we sell ourselves short. And with there is a way where what is best for us is actually best for the most amount of people and vice versa.
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02:02:47
Yeah. I agree.
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02:02:48
It’s at the end of the day, it is all gotta be very personal.
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02:02:51
Mhmm.
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02:02:52
And then to have some dignity in it. That’s the difference between choice and a mandate. No. You got a choice, but make the fucking right choice. Mhmm. Measure the choice. You got you you got power when you make the choice. Yep. And you deal with the consequences. Ai love to go, oh, bogey there, McConaughey.
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02:03:07
And I can look in the mirror and go, that’s on you. Yeah. You know, I can make a good decision. If something works out, I can look in the mirror and go, good, man. We hit that one on the screws.
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02:03:14
I like I honestly like fucking up sometimes because then it makes me really reset and go, oh, boy. Get it back together.
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02:03:21
Like What’s the last big fuck up you had? Where you’re like, oh, I gotta
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02:03:23
reset it. A weird podcast. You’re like, that one sucked. Like, maybe I was I worked out too hard before I got here. That’s not good. Like, that that’s a bad one that I do sometimes. Like, I was just
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02:03:33
charging and and and getting over getting ahead?
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02:03:36
No. Like, I’m worn out. Ah. And then my brain’s not firing on all sound. Like, if I do legs like, I do a leg day Yeah. And I do a lot of squats. You got
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02:03:43
any legs? Pull the steady squat.
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02:03:45
Ai come in and my brain is just, like, wiped out. You know, that’s not good. I’ve done that. You know, I’ve you know, but it just when you’re not on point, okay, what did I do wrong? Why I didn’t get enough speak? You know, maybe I didn’t take my nootropics. Whatever it was, like, maybe I didn’t do, enough research on the subject. Whatever it is, like, let’s get it back together.
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02:04:06
Gotcha.
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02:04:06
Pull that fucking shit back around.
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02:04:08
Sai, that’s self regulation. Yeah. You’re self regulating. Because, ai, I could’ve done better. I missed my mark. Oh, my ai. I don’t like it when I do that. I’m a little embarrassed when I do that. Damn it.
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02:04:18
I feel shitty. Yeah.
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02:04:19
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t get I I didn’t I didn’t leave that situation better than I found it. I didn’t come forward. I didn’t prepare enough for whatever that might be. Man, more of that across the board.
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02:04:28
It’s good for everybody.
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02:04:29
Yeah, man.
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02:04:29
It’s you gotta be your own general. You gotta be your own, ai, you’re like, wake up, soldier. Yeah. You know? I always talk about the cold plunge because it is the that is the one ai. People say, oh, how do you do it every day? Listen to me very carefully. I almost don’t every day. Every day. Yeah.
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02:04:49
I don’t ai.
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02:04:49
I get that close to bitching out every single day.
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02:04:54
That’s a good
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02:04:54
I ram amazed how weak I am. Yeah. Ai amazed. Every time I go to lift that fucking lid off that thing, I’m like, oh meh god. I don’t I’m not doing this. I am not doing this. Yeah. I’m not doing and then when I get in, I’m like, maybe I’ll only do a minute today. Maybe I’ll get out right now. Don’t you wanna get out right now? I’m like, shut the fuck up.
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02:05:12
I get to let the general talk, and the general’s like, shut the fuck up, soldier. Yeah. He will stay in that water. I’m like, that dude from, Full Metal Jacket. Outstanding. Yes. Yeah.
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02:05:24
Yeah. A little self regulation, man.
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02:05:26
Yeah. But every day, I almost don’t. David Goggins told me that too, who’s, like, the most mentally strong human being I’ve ever met and maybe the most mentally strong human being that’s ever walked to face the planet. And he said, he goes, even though I run every day, sometimes I look at my sneakers, I stare at those motherfuckers for half an hour before I put them on.
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02:05:45
Ai thinking of him. I mean, he’s out there running, like, marathons literally every day. And he would just, like, I don’t wanna do this. I don’t wanna do I don’t wanna do this. Yes. But he does it. That’s the thing. It’s ai people wanna think that people that are mentally strong don’t struggle.
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02:06:04
No. You just you do struggle. You’d always struggle. Yeah. But you win every time. Right.
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02:06:10
You you make sure that you win every ai, and you can win every ai. But you gotta develop that ability to make yourself do the things you don’t necessarily wanna do, but you know you should.
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02:06:20
It’s a little bit of that, I don’t know if you ever saw that Djokovic interview on sixty minutes.
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02:06:25
No. It didn’t.
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02:06:25
And, sixty minutes interview. I forget his name. He was going like, look. So, you know, your mental capacity is why you’re so good is and and and my hunch that, Novak, it’s because you have less negative thought and Djokovic interrupts him. Meanwhile, pull this one up. This is good. His answer’s great. He goes, no. No. No. Yeah. I have as many or more negative thought.
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02:06:45
I just get past them quicker than others.
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02:06:50
Yeah. That’s So he’s not
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gonna be there
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02:06:52
than any Right.
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02:06:52
Thought. He sai, let him come.
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02:06:54
Mhmm. And then,
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02:06:55
bam, out of the way. I gotta on to the next.
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02:06:57
Yeah. He has control. Yeah. Yeah. He has control of those thoughts. They come in and he swats them down. Yeah. You’ll have to have some negative thoughts if you’re gonna be an elite athlete because you have to be your own worst critic. You can’t be satisfied with anything. Yeah.
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02:07:11
If you sana reach the very tip of the top, every movement must be more precise and more explosive and better every time you do it and you have to do all the training and you leave no stone unturned. And if you don’t do that, you’re never gonna reach the level that he’s at in anything.
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02:07:26
Ai me ask you about this. I had a poem on it, but I ai, just trying to remember what it was about. It’s success in, say, MMA, for instance. What’s a better resume for a great performance or victory? Suffering to succeed or revenge?
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02:07:55
Oh, suffering to succeed.
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02:07:56
Yes.
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02:07:56
Yeah. Why? The emotions that come with revenge are crippling, and and and sometimes they can keep you up at ai, and they’ll they’ll fuck with your speak. And then the the the consequences of you losing are far greater because you genuinely hate this person. There’s a you know, some people thrive under those conditions oddly, but I would think most of the time most of the ai, trying to just achieve the highest version of yourself Yes.
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02:08:26
Is the most aspirational. And I think the best of the best do that. Right. The very best the George St. Pierre’s of the world. They they do that.
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02:08:35
They’re playing against themselves.
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02:08:36
They’re playing against themselves. Meh. Yeah. They’re trying to be the very best version of themselves that they can be. And if they do that right and leave no stone unturned, they can achieve greatness.
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02:08:45
Yeah.
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02:08:45
But it’s not gonna be easy. It’s it’s gonna be they go through hell. I mean, to to become an elite fighter is one of those physically difficult things and then psychologically difficult things that a human being can ever undertake ai of war and maybe law enforcement. You know, other than that, that you’re you’re dealing with physical struggle, the likes of most people will never experience in their life.
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02:09:09
You’re you’re literally hurling bones in the direction of a a trained assassin, And the two of you are gonna do it publicly in your underwear in front of the whole world, barefoot with these little tiny pads on your knuckles and a a cup over your dick. And you just gotta go out there and and kick each other and strangle each other. It’s crazy. It’s a crazy sport.
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02:09:31
And so this is balance of the mind and the body and the intention and how you allocate your resources and ai, and how you manage stress, and how you deal with the the pressures of trying to succeed, and the doubts and the fears.
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02:09:47
In the suffering to succeed. Yeah. Is it fair to sai, I think it is, that, like, the people that, you know, ai, the seeing beyond the immediate goal. Meaning Right. We choke at the goal line when we look up and get objective and go, oh, shit. Fourth and one. This could be the game winner.
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02:10:12
All I gotta get is one yard. Right. Whereas no. I I run. I will run through. I’ll use my ability.
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02:10:19
I will cross Bo Jackson, when he scored, he’d go through the end zone down the fucking tunnel. The best snipers don’t aim at the target. They aim on the other side of it. Getting through COVID, part of what I know helped me was going, oh, it’s gonna be like this for ten years, gang.
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02:10:35
Family, buckle up. Yeah. Been nice ten years. It was much shorter. Oh, shit. I we were preparing for a much longer journey going to work out.
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02:10:44
This is gonna be hell. Get ready for it, dude. And then all of a sudden you’re ai, alright. That’s it. Wait. I’m done.
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02:10:50
Projecting past the goal, cellularly, I think wakes up something in us on ai level that we don’t choke, we don’t get fatigued Right. As quickly. We don’t wanna quit sooner because we have in our ai, no, it’s the end is not right around the corner. Right. And and it’s always it’s a it’s a bit of a meh trick, but I think that it has something to do with that.
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02:11:14
So that that what what champions do. They see beyond. They’re playing Arya Manning right now. There’s never been more hype on a quarter college quarterback ever. I believe that guy is wired and that family ai even wired that they’re beyond this ai. This hype, this is mortal. Right. This is mortal shit, guys. Great.
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02:11:35
It’s about the process. It’s about winning games.
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02:11:37
If UT goes and wins the championship, they’re preseason ranked number one. Never been ranked number one before. I believe that this team is ai, oh, well, thank you for the meh, but we’re on our own mission. That being preseason ranked number one or being on the cover of freaking Sports Illustrated is not a curse nor a validation. It’s just noise out there.
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02:11:55
And if we do it and you go, we told you you’d be number one. We’ll look at you sana go, oh, well, thank you. But that’s it. I’m not they don’t need a pep rally to go, the rest of the world thinks you can win this too.
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02:12:09
Right.
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02:12:09
Well, good good for them. We’re not playing for them. We’re doing our thing. I have a mission here. I believe in a path that I’m on, and I’m going beyond this hype or I’m going beyond this game. I’m playing for a whole I’m prepared mentally and spiritually for an entire season of hell.
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02:12:24
I’m prepared to fight this assassin on the other side of me that is wants to defend and do to me what I wanna do to them. Making the the resistance or the adversary seem bigger and longer and gonna be more tumultuous Seems to be a good way to succeed going beyond and all of a sudden you look up.
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02:12:44
I get this from when I’ve done my best acting. I didn’t know it was the last day when they yelled cut at the end of the last scene of the last day of shooting. I was walking off going, alright. See you tomorrow. And they’re like, no. No. No. There is no tomorrow.
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02:12:58
You were just in the zone. That’s it. Yeah.
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02:13:00
That’s it? We wrapped? Oh, shit. Oh, hey, Joe. How you doing? For the first time.
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02:13:07
Because you were just locked in. Boom. Yeah.
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02:13:09
Yeah. Best rounds of golf. I walked off the eighteenth green and was heading to the next tee box to look up and ai, I no. That’s it. You played eight oh, shit. What’d I shoot? Oh, ram. I didn’t look at my scorecard on ’16 and go, ai I can just keep it in the fairway slash three holes, maybe get in with the parts, don’t bogey.
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02:13:33
I didn’t I didn’t anticipate. So I didn’t get my meh. I behaved and went through the finish line. Yeah. That something in there is in suffering to succeed rather than fighting for revenge, seeing on the other side of the target. Yeah.
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02:13:47
You follow what I’m what what I’m
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100%. Yeah. It’s also, like, concentrating on what you’re trying to do versus the impact of what it is. Like, if I miss this, oh ai god, I’m fucked.
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02:13:58
Yeah. Right.
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Yeah. Instead of that, you’re just thinking about Ai going to make this. This is how I make this. This is how I do this.
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02:14:03
This is how I do this. This is how I behave. It’s also in today’s world with all the stimulus we’re talking about in social media, etcetera. We’re all sort of living in the third person or being fed opportunities to live in the third person all the time. Yeah. It’s like we have a jumbotron and you choose a football saloni. You kick me the ball.
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02:14:22
I’m running the kickoff back and I’m going down the sideline and I see the goal and I think I’m gonna score. And then Ai have a look at the jumbotron to see how I’m doing. Yeah. That’s when I’m getting tackled from behind. Yeah.
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If we step
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outside to have
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a look at how we’re doing.
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Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
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02:14:39
That passenger you open up talking about when you’re hitting it comedically is not hopping out Right. Over here to have a look.
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And if you do, you’ll you’ll get lost.
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02:14:48
You get lost. You get conscious of what you’re behaving, what you know how to do, what you’re fashioned to do. Mhmm. And you’re out of the moment. Yep. And you become objective.
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02:14:55
Yeah. When you love watching someone do something where we know they’re in the zone. Right? Like, where someone runs in for a layup and it’s ai the most beautiful movements avoiding the defenders up in the air, drops the ball and we’re ai, wow. Right. When we see someone just hit the zone, we see it in a ai, when we see someone just flow, we see someone flowing ai, wow. He’s feeling it.
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02:15:21
You know, woah, she’s locked in. We love that because we know that it’s somewhere in ourselves And maybe at one point in your ai, you experienced you might ai been playing mini golf or something. Like, one point in your life, you’re like, I think I felt a little bit of that. Right.
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02:15:37
How much do you think preparation has to do with the freedom to adapt and flow once you’re in the game?
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02:15:43
A lot. A lot. A lot. Yeah. Almost everything. You if you’re not prepared, your ability to adjust is very limited. Yeah. You have to be fully prepared and then let it flow. But you have to, like, really really have all your bases covered to just to, like just so they don’t have anxiety Yeah. If I could have done more. Yeah.
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02:16:05
That is a big issue with fighters. We see fighters towards the end of their career. There’s a thing that happens with fighters realize they’re probably never gonna be champion and they’re just doing it for a paycheck. And, you know, you see sometimes they’ll show up and they look a little soft Yeah.
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02:16:18
And you’re ai and you see a little fear in their eyes because they know they really are not focused. They’re really not dialed in. But this is what they’re doing for a paycheck now. Yeah. And it’s not good. Right.
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02:16:29
Because the guy the other guy on the other side of the Octagon is the opposite. He’s That guy’s died in. Yeah. And maybe he’s only, like, 25, and he’s, like, coming into his ai. And you’re a stepping stone for him, and it’s, like, oh.
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02:16:42
And the and and the problem fear of that is what? Getting actually really injured?
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02:16:46
Sure.
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More so than if you were
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02:16:48
100%.
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Down yourself.
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You’ll definitely take shots you wouldn’t take.
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02:16:51
K.
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02:16:51
And then you’re you don’t have the endurance to keep up a pace. Yep. Right? Because you like, to to get to the shape that you have to have to be in to be able to compete in a five round MMA fight, it’s almost impossible to maintain. Ai, Chael Sana has talked about this extensively. It’s ai, you can’t keep it up. It’s not like a level of conditioning that you can keep up all year round.
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02:17:14
You have to speak to it where you’re ai, your body’s barely hanging on, and then you coast the last week to allow yourself to, like, recover, and you’re just kinda going through movements the last few days. And then on Saturday, under the bright lights, you arya at 100% capacity.
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02:17:31
I mean, they’ve been monitoring your fucking heart rate and checking your resting heart rate and checking your blood Yeah. Your heart rate variability and whether your nutrient levels at you’re fucking finely tuned. Get in there and go. That Saturday night. And if you’re not if you didn’t cover any of those bases, you’re gonna know. Right. The back of your head, you’re gonna know.
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Like, I’m gonna give it my best, but, boy, I don’t have a big gas tank, and I could’ve trained harder. And
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02:17:56
Ai I’m I’m I get so damn excited about this. This seems like this, the blind spot that still is there to be taken advantage of for preparing for peak performance. Daryl Royal, coach of the University of Texas, that won a couple national championships here at Texas, had always said, if you got 12 games in the year, you can expect for your team to be at peak performance level two Saturdays out of 12.
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02:18:28
You wanna make sure that those two Saturdays are against the toughest teams. You wanna make sure that the other ones where they’re ai, okay. They they did well, but they didn’t play to their peak performance are against the good teams. And you wanna do your best to make sure that the days that they’re off, you’re playing the shitty teams that you can beat even when you’re not mentally there.
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02:18:45
That seems like so much more opportunity for that number to rise today to have a much higher number that you can be ready for peak performance. Who are the best preparers in, I don’t know, Meh, in your ai?
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02:19:01
All all the champions. When do you get to a championship level? When you get to, like, a Alexandre Pantoja or when you get to, you know, Islam Makhachev. When you get to, like, that level, they’re all you’re a championship level. They’re all they all have impeccable prep preparation.
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02:19:19
They’re all Yes. It’s impeccable. Impeccable. And so the the the t marking for error, it’s measured. It’s ai. This is
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02:19:26
Yeah. They’re all dialed in with their weight. They’re dialed in with strength and conditioning. They’re dialed in with their weight. They’re dialed in with strength and conditioning. They’re dialed in with their sparring. It’s impeccable. You can’t compete at a world class level today and not have that.
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02:19:39
K.
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It’s not possible.
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02:19:40
So physically? Yeah. Mentally? Yeah. Are these two different coaches? Are these one camp?
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02:19:47
Some people don’t have mental coaches at all. Some elite fighters have no mental coaches. K. But some of them do. Some of them, like, we had this guy Bryden Epstein the other day that, he works with quite a few UFC fighters, and he’s got a very specific protocol that he mentally prepares them for, and he coaches them through things and and and sets up, like, a way to visualize and see yourself performing and see yourself doing things and how you how you view your performance, like, and to get you into a mindset where once you get into that octagon, you’re locked into this pathway.
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02:20:17
Instead of, like, straying and letting anxiety and fear overcome you, which can happen to fighters. Yeah. But then there’s other guys that don’t have any coaches for that at all. They just have the mindset already.
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02:20:28
K.
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And they’re comfortable with what they have, and they just stay disciplined and just go in there. Yeah. It’s it’s very personal because everybody’s brain is different. Yeah. Everybody’s they all have, like, different ways of expressing themselves, different ways.
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02:20:43
How much is technology and diet and stuff helped?
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02:20:47
A lot. Yeah. A lot. A lot. Technology, just understanding nutritional balances, understanding, like, when you do a nutrient analysis of your blood work, like, oh, you’re deficient in niacin. This this is your probably you’re wearing down. You don’t have enough b twelve in your system, making sure you get the correct amount of protein.
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02:21:10
Like, you can’t you can’t miss any of those things if you wanna achieve peak performance. You have to have everything, your hydration, your electrolytes, everything has to be dialed in. Your speak, which is one of the biggest ones. Like, this is like a lot of these young guys. The problem is they still go out and party.
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02:21:27
They’re still hanging out with girls till 02:00 in the morning, and then they’re at training at 8AM. Like, you can’t do that and be a professional and expect to be world class or expect to beat the guys who are just as good as you, but get that preparation. They’re gonna have an advantage.
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02:21:42
Yep. Yep. You know, the argument of athletes, you know. Well, who was better then or now? What would they have done then? Or what this is my my I I think that we’ve athletes have evolved and the athletes we have now are just better than athletes ever were.
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02:21:59
Yeah. I think so
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02:21:59
too. They’re bigger. They’re more powerful. They’re more focused. They’re more specific, that they’re just better. That if they played in that time, they would be that much better then, even than they are now. Yeah. Seems to be. I think, we’re just evolving that way.
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02:22:13
They also have the benefit of watching people do it before them and do it really well sai they aspire to that level and then to surpass that level, whereas those people were pioneers. Yeah. Larry Bird didn’t have a lot of people to watch play basketball before Larry Bird. Right.
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02:22:27
You
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know, there was a few, but, you know, black and white footage. It’s not like you didn’t see it every day. You didn’t have it on the Internet. Now kids, they could just watch every Jordan highlight reel, every time LeBron James has scored, every Steph Curry three pointer Mhmm.
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02:22:41
They could watch it ai they sana, and then that is a level that they’re aspiring to.
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02:22:45
Right.
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02:22:46
Think of all the football games that kids can watch now and analyze. Think of all the fights that people coming up now that wanna be a martial artist. They can watch. Yeah. And so they aspire to this level that has already been achieved by the greatest of all ai, and then they wanna surpass that. Yeah.
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02:23:00
Which is what human beings have always done athletically all throughout time. We’ve always it’s not like guys who broke records in the nineteen thirties. We don’t break those today. Like, those are not the same records.
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Like Right.
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Those don’t hold up. We 100% get better.
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02:23:14
Yep.
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02:23:14
From ninety years ago to today, there is no comparison. The athletes are far better, and they’re gonna continue. Yep. Ninety years from now, Ai probably be if there’s humans, they’ll probably be far better.
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02:23:26
You know, as experiments that have happened in the NFL, you know, and Ai think it is I think this is correct. But I was always Washington. It was then the Redskins fan. And, I think it was 1986 or 1988, they had the heaviest offensive line and they averaged two eighty six. Somewhere around there.
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02:23:47
Those numbers
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02:23:47
Big fellas. Pretty close.
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02:23:48
Right? But compared to today, that would be the lightest. Right. Ai. And then Dallas with Nate Newton and those guys had a point where they were going, oh, we’re gonna get guys up to three thirty. Oh, let’s get them to three forty. And they peaked when oh, some of them got to three sixty.
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02:24:05
The bone marrow, they were big, but they lost agility and speak. And then, uh-oh, we hit the ceiling. We went past it. We gotta come back. Interesting.
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02:24:12
These are the hogs.
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These are
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the hogs.
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02:24:14
Look at those guys.
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02:24:16
Look at that
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guy in the middle with a mustache.
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02:24:19
Oh, my god. That’s Russ Grimm.
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02:24:20
Well, that’s big fellas.
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02:24:21
Joe Jacoby over here, ’66.
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02:24:23
Big fellas. Yeah. The Hogs. What a great name. Yeah. That’s hilarious. Ai.
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02:24:29
They hit the top of like Dallas, it hit they hit they went too far.
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02:24:33
Right. The thing
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02:24:34
was bigger is better, so let’s get bigger. And then all of a sudden, agility went. They went, oh, it’s not three sixty. It’s come way back. It’s come back down.
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02:24:39
Well, believe it or not, the UFC heavyweight division has a weight class. You can’t be over two hundred sixty five pounds. You can’t? No. They have to wait to to fight for the UFC heavyweight title, you must weigh two hundred and sixty five pounds or below. So you’re two seventy.
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02:24:58
You gotta lose weight.
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02:25:00
You don’t have you you don’t have a plan.
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02:25:02
It’s happened before where guys had to lose weight to fight heavyweight. Tim Sylvia, when he was the UFC heavyweight champion Yeah. Had to cut weight to hit the two hundred sixty five pound weight class. He was so big that, like, two sixty five was a struggle for him to get down to.
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02:25:19
Oh, isn’t that number gonna have to
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Well, I would assume it should, but the problem is there’s actually a heavyweight class above that that’s super heavyweight.
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02:25:28
Okay.
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But we’ve never had that in the UFC. There’s never been a single super heavyweight fight in the UFC. Okay. Everything has always been inside the two hundred sixty five pound weight class, which I think is real weird because, like
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02:25:38
Where did that number come from?
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02:25:40
I don’t know. The numbers are real weird anyway because there’s giant gaps in them. It’s ai one of the major problems with MMA is that there’s a lack of weight classes. So in boxing, there’s weight classes all you got one twenty six, one thirty, one thirty five. It goes one thirty five to one forty, one forty, one forty seven, one forty seven, 54.
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02:26:00
With the UFC, it’s, like, 35, 45, 55, then it goes seventy, eighty five. So you got a 15 pound weight difference. And then it goes two zero five, so you got twenty twenty. And then you got two sixty ai, so that’s 60 pounds for for heavyweight. It’s crazy.
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02:26:17
The the gaps are just too big. Ai. They’re gigantic. So that’s a major problem with MMA in that there’s less weight classes than there should be. And then you have a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas. Like, you should have no cap. Heavyweight should be how big is this guy? Like, let him fight.
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02:26:34
Because you think you can handle and come in. Yeah.
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02:26:36
I mean, what about the mountain? That guy from Game of Thrones? If that guy had a fight in the UFC, he wouldn’t be able to make weight. He’s too big. He’s that guy’s almost four hundred pounds.
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02:26:48
You know? Yeah. I never knew that. I thought the heavyweight’s, like, two sixty five and up, two fifty and up.
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02:26:53
Should be.
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02:26:53
Whatever you wanna come in with.
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02:26:55
That’s what it should be. Yeah. But there really should be a weight class around two twenty five. There’s something like that.
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02:27:00
What class would that be? You just name a new class?
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02:27:03
Well, boxing has something like that. What is the boxing weight class that’s, like, below heavyweight? There’s cruiserweight, but then there’s a new one. There’s an a recent one over the past few years that they’ve developed. But that’s one thing that boxing does a much better job with, I think, ai fighters the correct weight class where they can compete in. What is it called? Cruiserweight.
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02:27:26
That’s it. Yeah. Because they’re I think that’s another one that they’re calling They’re calling it oh, god. I can’t remember the name of it.
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02:27:34
Super Cruiserweight?
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02:27:37
Super Cruiserweight.
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02:27:38
Yeah. That’s it. Well, I think they called it something different, though. They had a name for it. Whatever. Maybe you’ll find it. Maybe not. But point is, two sixty five is the limit. So, like, Francis Ngannou, when he was the heavyweight champion, he used to have a cut weight.
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02:27:54
It he had to lose weight to get down to two sixty five.
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02:27:59
And then how much is he putting on that last week?
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02:28:02
He’s probably putting another 10 on, at least. Yeah. He’s not losing a ton, but he’s gotta watch his calorie output. I mean, he’s a massive human.
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02:28:09
Hey. I met him in Saudi Arabia. Oh my god.
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02:28:12
He’s so big. He’s so big. He that’s a real tragedy that him and the UFC couldn’t figure it out. That bothers me a lot because that guy was he was the scariest heavyweight champion of all time for sure. He put guys in orbit. He would hit them and you just go, oh. It would hurt you, like, watching it. You’re like, oh, no. Yeah. All men are not created equal.
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02:28:36
That’s another problem with fighting. No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how intelligent you you are, some people are faster and hit harder than you. Right. And you ain’t gonna fix that Right. In the gym. You’ll get a little better, but you’re never gonna bridge that gap.
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02:28:51
Yeah. I had a dream of being an NBA basketball player.
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02:28:55
Did you? Was that your dream?
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02:28:57
For a while. How old were you when I
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was young?
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02:28:59
And I was I was like, I’m gonna dunk. No matter how much this guy sitting here would’ve worked out and hustled. I was never gonna be able to dunk, bro. Didn’t have the innate ability. Didn’t have the DNA. Didn’t have the makeup.
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02:29:12
I bet you could. I bet you could over ai. I bet someone could teach you how to dunk. I bet if someone got you sana, like, a a serious trading program when you’re younger, right now, it’d be a it would be rough.
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02:29:24
Be rough rough track.
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02:29:25
It’d be rough on the tendons. Yes. Like, a little ai stress. When you get to the Ram, just ai, maybe you shouldn’t be dunking. How about take dunking off the menu?
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02:29:34
Yeah. Well, that was what it
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02:29:35
But when you’re young, I think you could teach a ai, but it would you know, it’s not as easy as that. Like, for some people, they could just dunk.
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02:29:42
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that thing about not everyone being created equal. Yeah. You gotta have innate ability
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02:29:48
Oh, yeah.
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02:29:49
And the hustle, the work ethic. If you got both, and there’s a lot of, look, there’s a lot of five star players who don’t have the hustle. Yep. And and then there’s a lot of
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02:30:02
Some of the most talented ones. Right? Because it comes too easy to them.
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02:30:05
Yeah.
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And some of the ones that aren’t as talented but just will not stop. Yep. They will not stop pushing because they had to work harder for everything they ever did.
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02:30:14
Yeah.
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02:30:14
They have that extra gear, and that allows them to be champions.
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02:30:17
I hear more and more CEOs saying, give me Johnny and Jane hustle from Western Kentucky before Belinda and Joseph ram Harvard.
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02:30:34
Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that.
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02:30:38
You need this one that’s ready to come hustle, that’s ready to get scrappy, adapt, work, press the edges on the front and the back end. Yeah. Give me that.
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02:30:48
And someone is all in. Yeah. You want someone who’s all in. You don’t want someone who’s, like, looking at the clock, wants to leave. Someone who’s just, like, doesn’t feel like they’re being appreciated enough. Yeah. You want someone who’s, like, fully all in on their work.
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02:31:01
Yeah. You think there’s been a there’s theories about with AI coming that now more than ever that’s what you need is the the one that’s knows a little has more of a liberal arts education. I know I know I know I know a little bit a lot of things, and I can hit many different avenues rather than be an expertise in one certain thing.
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02:31:19
I mean, it’s like just, what, six years ago, you tour the campuses that were ai, computer programming. That’s what you want your job to be. That’s what we need. Right. No. You don’t.
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02:31:30
Now it’s over. Done.
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02:31:31
Totally. We’re
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telling you, don’t don’t get into programming.
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02:31:33
Yeah. Sai what specifics are the jobs or the creations or locations that are gonna be out there for our youth here coming up that are gonna be ai, that’s how you’re gonna make it. Ai question the college education now. I question the worth of it. How much is it still a knowledge factory that has not adapted to changing times and needs in the workforce and how much of it needs to be updated for getting young men and women prepared to go into the workforce?
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02:32:01
Yeah.
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02:32:01
It’s a good question. I think it’s really unknown territory. And I think AI is gonna take jobs away that we, never thought we’re gonna lose. I think lawyers are off. Ai? They’re in trouble. Coders are gone. Accountants
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02:32:17
are gone.
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02:32:17
Accountants are gone. Yeah. It’s gonna be really fucking weird. It’s gonna be really weird for Hollywood. I mean, you’ve seen some of these these films that if you’ve seen the old Star Wars that they’re doing, they’re remaking Star Wars with AI with old Luke Skywalker Yeah.
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02:32:31
Like, when he was young, like, when Luke Skywalker’s they’re doing completely new scenes that look exactly like HD versions of shah star wars in 1975. It’s what it looks like. Okay. But it’s in HD today with AI using Mark Hamill’s voice, So it sounds exactly like him as young Luke Skywalker. It’s bananas, man.
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02:32:56
Uh-huh. It’s bananas. There’s a lot of weirdness with music. There’s a lot of weirdness with literature. You’re gonna have all sorts of Ai.
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02:33:05
So no one knows what’s going to survive this. I think I assume that a bunch of people, at the end of the day, are gonna get really sick of artificially created things and want something that they know was made by a person. Whether it’s a book that is made by a person or a song, like an Oliver
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02:33:23
Anthony saloni. Sana
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02:33:24
Yeah.
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02:33:25
A tangible
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02:33:25
We’re gonna want books. Musical. Yeah. Books are gonna be ai like, you know, some people just love ai. Yeah. Yeah. Love them. They just love the pressing the needle down Yeah. And hearing the crackle. And Yeah. That’s that’s what there’s gonna be a lot of crackle and Yeah. That’s that’s but there’s gonna be a lot of that still. People are gonna want to buy books from people that actually wrote the book.
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02:33:45
They’re gonna wanna go to see a guy perform music in an actual club where you see the guy on stage, you know it’s ai. The the there is always gonna be a desire for handmade things. A guy made this table. I know him, you know. But other than that, man, no one knows.
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02:34:04
It’s the unknown because who no one knows what the capabilities of these things are gonna be.
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02:34:09
Well and the the the the tech ai, the AI tech companies keep saying, no trust is there’s a lot of jobs that are gonna be lost, but AI is going to create so many other jobs. But I haven’t heard him anyone answer what those jobs are going to be.
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02:34:26
Yeah. I don’t even think they know, honestly. They don’t even know why these things are so good at what they are good at. They they they keep getting smarter and smarter, and they blow them away. Like, Elon told me that every week is, like, these new discoveries ai just, like, what?
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02:34:40
This is crazy. It’s, like, every week we’re blown away. So they just it just keeps getting more and more capable. They we don’t know where this is going. So if you’re in college right now, like, I mean, it’s so cliche to say follow your ram, but really do follow your fucking dream because that might be the only thing that you’ve got.
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02:35:00
Right. Because if you think you’re just gonna get a really good job vatsal industry that might be completely wiped out in three years by AI, that’s a lot of people are gonna be going down that path.
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Yep. A lot.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Is crime gonna go up?
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We’re gonna
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have people out of jobs. Is there gonna be you know, what are these people gonna
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do? Could. Yeah. I think it’s universal basic income is probably the only way to solve, at least on the short term, where how we’re gonna lose a lot of stuff. Look at you, man. You got a lot of little tabs in there.
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I do. I do. Very organized.
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You’re very organized.
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Well Yeah. But These are the ones that I thought could be coolcom that that cool conversation starters for, for us. And we’ve kinda covered, actually, some of them. You ever had anyone read poems on the show before?
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Yeah. Alex Friedman.
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Oh, there you go. Alright.
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You wanna find a good one? We’ll wrap it up with a great poem? Yeah, man. Let’s go. This book is out right now?
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No. September 16.
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Oh, okay.
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September 16. This is a fun one that I wrote. It’s kinda based on, it’s called it’s based on extra credit. It’s kinda ai on fate or extra credit that we get vatsal sometimes we rely on the extra credit participation trophies. Mhmm. It’s where this one kinda started ram meh.
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So Sai mean, it it it’s a fun one, and it might get us talking about something. It’s called tips included. K? When extra credits included, credit doesn’t get us due. When more gives us less, the exchange rate’s gonna skew.
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When amnesty is offered going into the crime, we’re more bound to commit it because there is no fine. We start playing to tie instead of going for the win when participation’s the trophy for every cow in the pen. If I stay on the porch because you picked up the slack, when you look over your shoulder, I can’t have your back.
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If there is no curfew, we’ll stay out all night. No tab at our bar, we get drunk and start a fight. All these long lenses got us losing our sight. You keep lifting it for me, I’m gonna lose all my might. When a four star duty suits a six star rate, we take our hands off the wheel, rely on fate.
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Eating all we can at the all we can eat buffet gives us a 3.8 education and a 4.2 GPA. We steal from ourselves and get away with the scam. What’s the measure of merit with let’s give a damn? These unlimited options, they sure got me confused while all the conveniences keep me properly lubed.
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In this red light district with the horror of inflation, the ROI’s math don’t pay for the vacation. So let’s just admit it. This extra credit’s quite a fluffer because when the tip’s included, the service will suffer.
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That’s great.
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You have fun?
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That’s really good. And dead on. You fuck Aaron. Right on the head.
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It’s Perfect. It’s a fun one, man. I mean yeah. I got I think I came when ai the eleventh place team got the same size trophy as the first place team.
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And I
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was like, wait. They went o and 10, but the winning team went 10 and o. You ai like saying, oh, the winning team went five and five, and the losing team went five and five. I Ai I Sai don’t get it. Don’t hurt, do you? Don’t hurt the feelings. Don’t lose. Don’t get told no.
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Your feelings have to get hurt sometimes. That’s how you learn and grow, and you can’t protect anybody from that. And that’s the problem. We wanna do that with our children, with ai, ai my best friends, all my favorite people had terrible chaotic childhoods and they all became very interesting people.
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But I don’t want my kids to have a terrible chaotic ai. I don’t want to have ai a wonderful love filled, you know, bountiful childhood.
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Yeah. But That comes with
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Yeah. Well, I think they have to find things that they, that they find that are difficult, that they get engrossed with. They they they really love to pursue, and fortunately, my kids do that. But I think they you have to have a struggle. You have to have a task. If you just wanna, like, oh, you get a trophy too. Everybody gets a trophy. It’s okay. No there’s no losers.
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It got hard? Okay.
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Quit. When my kids were real little, one of my daughters was playing in a soccer game, and they didn’t they wouldn’t say the score. I’m like, but I know the fucking score. I just watched. They lost. Yeah. You can’t say there’s no score. This is so crazy.
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But they were doing this in California. They had, like, scoreless games. I’m like, okay. I mean, like but look. Why are you trying to score then? Yeah.
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Why are
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you trying
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to score if
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you don’t count it? This doesn’t make any sense. This is soccer. Yeah. Soccer has a
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Why ai that a damn hard goalie trying to keep them from scoring?
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Exactly. What’s the point? Give us a goalie a
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little credit.
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Everybody shah what’s what with the rules? Pick it up with your hands. Yeah. This is stupid. Yeah. You’re you if if you don’t have a loser, you don’t have a desire to get better to become a winner. Yeah. That’s a part of the process. Yeah. Sometimes kids lose and they cry. And by the way, if you don’t ever go through that, then you don’t understand how to lose.
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So you never develop a healthy ability to manage competitiveness.
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Yep.
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I meh That’s something that just never get that.
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I hear you.
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They they they never get healthy competition. Makes for a very unhealthy person. Sai you’re not be able to just compete.
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Well, especially once they leave the house. Yes. And they’re on their own because the world sure plays by the rules and the score is kept.
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Yes.
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And you don’t win everyone Yes. No matter how good you are.
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Yes.
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And there’s nobody coming back in to tuck you in bed and say it’s okay.
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Right.
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Let’s put some eyes on it. You’re not waking up yourself, man.
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That wake up call. It’s cold.
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It’s ai. Ai got a cool movie coming out called The Lost Bus. It’ll be out, in October. It’s gonna be in theaters for a couple weeks, and it goes on Apple and streams. Remember the Paradise Fires in 2018 in Paradise, California? Yes. Yeah. I think, the number is thirty people or so died.
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Jamie Lee Curtis heard this story on NPR and went to Jason Blum, and Jason Blum went to Paul Greengrass, who’s the director of Captain Phillips, United ’93, Black Sunday. Really good action directed, but also with a good personal dramatic story in it. And then they came to me for it, and there were a lot of heroic people, that at that time that went ran towards the crisis instead of away from the crisis, but this one particular story about this bus driver, and this teacher that, got 22 kids to safety was the story we picked to tell.
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And, we went and shot it in Santa Fe. This guy that, this guy that I play is, oh, here’s the trailer.
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Yeah. We’re not listening to so just tell me while while this trailer’s going on.
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Oh, okay. So, this guy, Kevin, in our story comes back home because his dad has passed away. He’s gonna take care of his widowed mother and try to reunite with his son, which, by the way, check this out, you know. My mom plays my meh, and Levi plays my son.
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Oh, wow. In the movie, man. Your mom plays
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your mom.
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That’s cool. Yeah.
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So he comes back, do that, and he gets part time jobs as a as a school bus driver. He goes out that morning. There’s a fire coming across the canyon as they always do. No problem. You know, first responders head out. Well, by the afternoon, he’d gotten out of hand and was jumping in the canyon. And so that afternoon, as he’s now decided, oh, shit.
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I gotta go back and get my mom and my saloni. Neither one of them even ai. Get them to safety. On the way home, barging home to go barge on the highway to go get them. A call comes through dispatch.
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I got 22 stranded kids on the East Side of town. Is anyone over there with an empty bus? Woah. Guess who’s got an empty bus? Fuck.
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Wanna go get my mom and my son, man. What but he takes the call and sai, I’ll go get them. He goes and gets them. A teacher their teacher gets on the bus, and this is their story of about eight hours of going through hell and how and if they they got out of it. And really awesome adrenaline pumped action, which you’re gonna get from Greengrass and story like that. Like, the fire this is as good as ai movie as there’s been.
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The fire is a fucking predator. It’s from the POV. It’s it’s like Jaws. The fire is actually like the shark in Jaws in this thing. Plus, a really cool story of redemption, father, sons, and, you know, two people doing what they can to survive when there were no there were no contact.
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All the telephone towers are down and the dispatch was down. No one had any contact. So he didn’t know if his mom and son were okay. He didn’t know where to go, where the traffic jams were, And what happened is the first responders left early to go get the fires when they got there.
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It had already jumped the canyon. So when they were they were coming back to town, the mandatory evacuation, the whole town’s leaving. They couldn’t get back in town. Sai it’s a, it’s a bit of a horror film in that way. But, movie Fire is predator. Yeah.
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That is what it feels like if you ever get stuck in one of those things. Yeah. It feels like a monster. Yeah. That sounds awesome.
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Is that, pretty good. It’s tough. Tough movie, but a good one.
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Beautiful. Yeah. Well, I can’t wait to see it. Cool, man. Thank you for being here, man. It was a lot of fun.
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I really enjoyed it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And that poem was awesome. That was really good. Sai dead on the head.
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Thanks.
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That’s the best participation trophy poem of all time. That’s really good. Thanks. The book is called there it is right there, Poems and Prayers, out soon, preorder now. Did you do the audio? You did. Yeah. Of course, you did. You have to. You can’t have an actor do your voice. How dare you?
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Yeah. Okay.
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That would be impossible. Yeah.
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Okay.
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Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Absolutely. Goodbye, everybody ai.