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Ben van Kerkwyk is an independent researcher exploring ancient mysteries. www.youtube.com/@unchartedxwww.unchartedx.com
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Ben, so excited to talk to you, man. I have been so looking forward to this. Since I saw your video on the labyrinth in Egypt, spoiler tyler. There appears to be a 40 meter long metallic Tic Tac shaped object. How how deep into the ground?
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It’s in that so it’s in the central atrium, which we’ll get into what that is, but somewhere in the realm of sixty, seventy meters. Sai, man, what’s that in feet? Like, 200 feet, a 150 to 190 feet down? Something like that.
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So for anybody who’s interested, what is the name of that video that you put out?
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I think it’s the ancient structure, like, it’s said to be greater than the pyramids. I tried to tease it a little bit, but
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it’s it’s
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it’s on that it’s on my channel. I mean
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Well, it’s a good tease. You got me. Thank you. I I dove right in and Ai I remember I was in the gym while I was watching it, and I I literally stopped working out. I was like, okay. I gotta pause this because this is not something that I can consume while I’m working out. I need to, like, really pay attention to this because it’s so wild.
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Yeah. And and I I honestly that that I’m grateful for how like, that video took off. Like, it for me, it took off way bigger than than ones that I’ve done in the past. I talk about the labyrinth in the past, and it’s a it’s a much longer video. And, I was I was really glad to get the chance to dive into these details because I’ve been wanting to revisit the labyrinth for a long time.
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However, there’s just been recently a bunch of new data that came up about things that happened a decade or two ago or in, you know, inside the last decade that really changed that picture and that was it was things like the Merlin Borough scans that that correlated other scans and also reported on yeah.
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That seems to be a metallic object down there. And this isn’t, you know, this isn’t sort of crazy emerging science. This is a a a legitimate company that is using technology that’s been well established in defense. And in in The UK defense, it came out of the the UK military as a technology that’s been more or less proven.
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So and the guy that that Tim Akers, rest in peace, unfortunately, he’s he’s since passed, but he, you know, what he said about this object, like, he’s he is a credible guy to to say this. He he doesn’t draw conclusions about what it might be, but it’s definitely it’s not wood. It’s not stone. It’s metal.
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It’s not ai other metal that he’s seen, although he they couldn’t classify what exact type of metal it is, but he said, yeah. There is a in this central atrium because the labyrinth has multiple levels, and it’s it’s almost like you’re imagine yourself standing in a shopping mall, and and you have that central atrium where you can see all these levels.
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And it’s like this big central chamber that connects to these multiple levels that’s open. It’s at least 40 meters long. It’s really tall. And in the center of it is what’s more than 40 because it contains this single sort of 40 piece 40 meter long object that’s sitting in there.
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So how did you find out about the labyrinth? Like, this is something that has been talked about for a long time.
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Thousands of years.
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Yeah. But no one, it’s not in any, like, traditional archaeology books. It’s not It is. Is it?
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Yeah. Yeah. Now it is. So the labyrinth is ai of the this is the other part that drew that drew me to it, is that it isn’t something that’s coming out of left field. Right? It’s it’s not like this, oh, no one ever heard of this before. It it’s literally a structure that was written about extensively over hundreds of years in antiquity by authors like Herodotus, Diodorus Siculus, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Polonius Miller.
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Like, there’s there’s all of these these writers of antiquity, and you’re talking about time frames from, like, 500 BC up to the first century AD Oh. Had visited it. And they’d they’d written about it and talked about it, and they gave it this legend. Being ai like Herodotus said that it surpasses the pyramids in grandeur, and then you have yeah.
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So this is the this is from Herodotus’ histories in the fifth century BC. And he says, ai. For this, I saw myself, and I found it greater than words can say. For if one should put together and reckon up all the buildings and all of the great works produced by the Hellenis, the Greeks, they would prove to be inferior in labor and expense to this labyrinth.
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So he’s he’s saying that all of the temples of the Greeks of ancient Greece, you’ve been there. You’ve seen the the Acropolis, and just if you added them all up, the labor to produce them would be inferior in what it would take to just make this one thing in Egypt, the labyrinth.
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That is underground.
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That’s underground.
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Right. How do conventional archaeologists approach this? Do they discuss this at all?
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Yes. They do. It’s it’s been based what happened was so you had they always we always kinda knew where it was. So, you know, you have the the classical authors of antiquity, which coincides with what you might call the Ptolemaic period of ancient Egypt. It’s a transition ram, like, dynastic Egypt into becoming essentially a a Roman province, like an imperial province of Rome. And that runs you up to about, you know, April.
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And then, sort of, you know, civilization has we have the dark ages, sort of have Roman Ai collapses. And it’s not until, again, you get to the Ai and you you have, artists and other authors are looking at these historical accounts, and they’re talking about it. They’re drawing it. Some of the depictions you see from the labyrinth are in that.
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And then, again, not until the emergence of what I would call modern archaeology in the eighteenth century, so guys like Carl Lepsius in the seventeen hundreds started to look at these accounts and go and and survey the place where they said it was. So it you know, Herodotus and his authors, I I selected the quotes here to just there’s a lot more that they say about it.
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But one of the things they talk about is they kinda give descriptions of where it is. They say it’s near what was called Lake Moeris, and, and it’s near the what, a city that sai the the temple of the crocodiles, Crocodil Crocodilopolis or or Ancient Arya is the other name for it.
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And we know where that is. And Lake Moiras sort of somewhat still exists. It’s much smaller now, but it’s in this region called the Fayoum Of Egypt. So if you ever look at Egypt on a map, you can imagine this desert, and you have from north to south, you have this green line of the Nile, traces it down.
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But on the left side, you look at there’s this leaf shaped depression that’s all green. It’s called the Fayoum. It’s a depression which which used to flood with the Nile. Today, they use it for agriculture. And it’s right at that neck of the Fayum where it connects up to the Nile Valley.
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And he also described it they also ai the pyramid that’s at the site because there is the the pyramid to Amenemhat the third on that site. So they give us all these descriptors and everyone kind of agreed. Yeah. So it’s at this place called Hawara where I’ve been to several times.
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There’s still a pyramid there and there’s this great fields of sand and and and, like, open little open air libraries with chunks of stone. And what happened was that Carl Lepsius went there, and he said, well, I’ve discovered the ruins of, like, a Roman town that’s built on the surface.
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There’s nothing crazy about it. Flinders Petrie was the guy who kinda got the closest. Now Petrie went there in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, and he was excavating. He dug down seven or eight meters. He got down and he found this massive stone slab of of bettenaw plaster that was huge, ai, a thousand feet long.
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Like, it was his he sort of traced the edges of it. And he’s like, I’m standing on the foundation of the labyrinth. So what he sai, he’s like, it’s all gone. Like, it’s basically Petrie sai, it’s been quarried. This place has been a source of stone for literally millennia, so it’s gone.
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So pretty much everyone since then in archaeology, Egyptology is like and if you look on Wikipedia, they’ll tell you, oh, it’s it’s gone. It was destroyed. It was quarried away. Petrie says, you know, I’m standing on the the foundation of it, the bottom layer, and that’s it. It’s there’s nothing here.
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And so that’s always been kind of the position orthodox Egyptology, look in the textbooks, that’s where it is. But that’s all changed because there’s been a whole bunch of different now scientific expeditions there. This is where it gets into some intrigue because the the the Madara expedition, the Cairo University Expedition. I mean, these these happened.
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The results have come out since, but they were covered up at the time. They were suppressed. So the first guy to really
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year was this?
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2008 was the Madahara Expedition.
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So what what Is
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this our boy, Zahi? Yeah. Ai is. Zahi? Sorry.
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It was. And look. And, again, not my words. This is the words of Louis de Courtier, who was he’s a Belgian artist and entrepreneur who who funded and drove the Madahar expedition. He did it in conjunction with the Supreme Council of Antiquities, which at the time was helmed by Zahi Hawass.
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Also with the NRIG, which is the, National Research Institute for, like, like basically subsurface studies. So that’s those guys dragging that box around. So they used a whole bunch of different techniques to look at these areas around that pyramid at the ai of Huarra, things like ground penetrating radar, geomagnetism, very low frequency, like, seismic tomography, electrical resistivity tomography.
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There’s a there’s a bunch of different techniques that are well established. Known sciences isn’t like the cuff rescan stuff where it’s ai you can debate the the merits of the technology. This is established technology, and they found the labyrinth. So and what he found was is that yes. So what Lipsius said about the ruins of a Roman or Greek or Persian town with mud bricks and stuff, yep.
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That’s there in the first few meters. You go down, then you hit the water table. So that there’s the other issue on this side is the water table. So the water’s at, like, five meters below the surface. And under that is the slab that Petrie found.
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So, like, six, seven meters is is at that that huge slab that that Petrie found that he thought was the foundation. And then below that, Petrie didn’t dig deep enough. Below that, we can find essentially a labyrinthian structure of granite and very very dense rocks, and walls and and and, like, a maze like structure that’s that has walls that are meters thick.
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There’s another great slide in there that’s that’s the green and it’s the actual VLF front. That’s it there. So yeah. So this is at eight meters with VLF sounding. So you can see, like, this labyrinthine structure of these walls and all of these lines and walls. So these are ai granite.
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And the scale of this, it’s a 100 meters vertically by a 150 meters.
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A 100 meters tyler?
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Well, no. So if Vertically? No. No. So the the the y axis, I guess, of this. So we’re looking down in the ground here, but you gotta look at the scale. Like, across the top, that’s a 150 meters. Right? So I mean, what, 450 feet? So these are big walls. Sai it’s big chambers and big walls.
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For people at home, it’s like a football field.
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Yeah. It’s a football field. Well, it’s more. I mean, a 100
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A 100 meters is
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in Ai, so my 100 meters is the football field thing. I don’t know how big Yeah.
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Pretty close to it. 100 yards. What is the difference between a 100 yards and
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a 100 meters? A 100 yards is a little less. Little less. So a 150 meter and and this is only a section of the labyrinth. They they sai two sections. The labyrinth itself is said to be meh, much larger than this. They so they found
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Much larger than that.
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Oh, that’s huge. Yeah. No. It’s it’s it’s It is the
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overall structure, ai, how
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It’s like a thousand feet at least. Wow. Like like, three three, four, ai times that size. I mean, you have to go back to the we we have some better indication with the more modern space based scans now, but when they did those the geophysicals, like, the the ground penetrating radar sai.
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So they scanned two areas. That was the bigger ai, like, in front of the pyramid, then they did another one on the other side of the canal that runs through the site today, and they found they found it on both sides. So that’s the difference between, like, what we say about the lab, like, what the textbooks will tell you about the labyrinth, it not being there, and it it being destroyed to no.
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We’ve actually now there’s been the Matterhorn Expedition confirmed it was there, and they so what happened this was interesting. And I I have I have, I think, reasoning for why this happened, but it was covered up. And these are the words ai Louis de Courtier, he eventually got sick of waiting because what happens in Egypt, anything you do, whether it’s you’re you’re an academic institution or you’re an individual or a group that’s funding some sort of expedition, you work with the Vatsal of Antiquities today.
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It’s the, Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities. But they essentially, you know, you gotta it takes years to get x access. And then once you do that, they control release of information. So that’s always part of the deal. Right?
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It’s the Egypt gets to do the announcing and if and when they choose.
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And they have dismissed things in the past Yes. That they then accepted later.
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Yeah. A great example is the, honestly, the the ScanPyramids project. So when so they got ahead of themselves a little bit. This is the the muon detection, the cosmic ray detection stuff. They’ve been running that experiment for years at the at Giza in the Great Pyramid. They put the and every time I go in there, there’s always different sets of equipment at different places on it.
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But these muon detectors, they they have them under the ground and in the Ram Gallery, and it just takes years to collect data. Occasionally, these cosmic particles, they’ll pick one up and it’s you’re able to detect voids or, you know, they have a they can somehow tell the difference between it it traveling through solid matter versus a void.
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Takes years to build up a a a resolute picture, But once they did, they said, oh, okay. So we’ve discovered that big void in the pyramid, but they’d also discovered the small void at the at the main entrance. If you if you look up at it today, there’s ai chevron blocks, ai, above you you go in down here at the Al Ma’amun’s Tunnel, but at the top where the descending passage actually exits the pyramid, the original entrance, there’s this big chevron blocks, and behind that’s that chamber.
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So you remember a few years ago, they made a big fuss. But and as an example, like, when the when the ScanPyramids guys on their own initiative announced that we’ve made these discoveries, I mean, they Zahi basically came out and said this is bullshit. This doesn’t exist. There’s nothing there, and if there is something there, we knew about it already. You know?
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And and and you go on a couple years, and when meh it’s time to do the press releases and to roll out, you know, the footage and he’s who’s standing at the at the podium making the announcement and showing the ai. Zahid’s doing it. Like, ai to. Yeah. Yeah.
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And I Fascinating situation over there with him.
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Yes. I I I did a ai. I just released it a few days ago that got into some even more intrigue about stuff that’s happened at Giza in the in the in the at the Giza Plateau in the nineteen nineties, which we can we can get into that too. But sai, yeah, what happened with the Madahara expedition and the labyrinth was that 02/1989, they finished their, their on-site work. They’re ready to release the data.
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They they put on a very small public lecture at Ghent University in Belgium. No one really attended it. And then they got told to start and again, in the words of Louis de Courtier, because he waited ai two or three years and then he put this out there, he said that he was told to cease any and all discussion or release of information from the Matterhar project and him and his team members were threatened with national security sanctions Oy.
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From Egypt, which means that, you know, I I think at the low low, like, if you come to Egypt, we’ll arrest you. And if not, then maybe we’ll come and get you. I don’t know. It’s it’s national security sanctions.
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Isn’t there a way to sort of massage that situation and to talk to Zahi and say, listen. You can be the guy who found this.
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Oh, I that would have been the ai. I think that was a given if if it had been released. I actually think in the case so it’s funny. Sai Ai kind of don’t really blame him. So much. I think this was a political, decision, not a not so and people say, oh, it’s hiding the truth and whatever. Yeah. Okay. That that’s happening. There’s new data.
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There’s an amazing amazing find that that could change the world. In my opinion, honestly, the labyrinth is the biggest archaeological discovery of the millennium. When we get into what that structure is and how big it is and the way it’s reported in antiquity, there’s nothing bigger than ai, Herodotus says it surpasses the pyramids.
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Like, it’s like finding more geese like a geese plateau somewhere.
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Like Under the ground?
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Under the ground. Like, you can’t. I just think it would be the biggest discovery of the millennium, which is part of the problem. Because I think, unfortunately, in Egypt and this is just my, intuition and my sort of read of the situation. What’s happened is that the the reality is is the groundwater level is rising. Right?
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So it’s it’s kind of attacking that part of the ai, at least the the higher levels of the labyrinth for sure are suffering in this salty groundwater. Right? It is gonna slowly erode because that groundwater’s come way up. We know it’s come way up because Flinders Petrie back in the, you know, late eighteenth, early nineteenth century actually got in to under the pyramid.
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And you can’t today, if you go to that pyramid, you as there is a a passage you can go down, you’d go down a few steps sana just throw a pebble. It’s just water and and debris and meh. And
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So this water table, it has risen slowly over
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No. Since the nineteen sixties, since they built the dam. Sai it’s the high dam. So what happened it’s this is the problem. Right? So you’ve got all these factors. It’s where it is. So it’s it Ai, the neck to the foam. Now Egypt I love Egypt. I go to Egypt couple times a year over year.
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And fantastic place, but they are one of like, they’re food poor in terms of, like, they’re the net biggest importer of wheat. They need all the agriculture they can get. The Foyim is a huge agricultural area. There’s a huge irrigation canal called the Barwabi Canal that’s that’s been cut in there in, like, the 1840.
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Same guy ai the Suez Canal made it, cuts it in there. So you’ve got this situation of, like, alright, we’ve got all this agriculture happening. We’ve got farmers’ water rights messing with this, and it’s and it’s happens to be running through this ancient site that could be the biggest discovery of our ai.
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And it’s happening because we built a dam on the Nile. And and what happened with the the High Dam in the sixties, like, there’s a low dam the British built in, like, nineteen o one, nineteen o two, then then they actually partnered with the Soviet Union to build this high dam.
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That’s actually still a monument to Egyptian Soviet Union friendship at the ram. It’s pretty cool. But when they built that high dam, it essentially stops that yearly cycle of inundation of the knolls. Everyone, you know, we always talk about the knoll flooding. Right?
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Every year that it rains in Africa and the South, you get this huge flood that comes up the Ai and it it it floods out and you get this deposit of of of, you know, black mud and and real fertile ground and they would use that to farm, and they built the ram. It you meh rid of that yearly cycle. Right? And what happens to people it seems counterintuitive because people are like, well, it’s less water in the Nileville. No.
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What what the dam did was eliminate the nine month dry season. So you had the three month wet season, but then you’ve you don’t have that, nine month dry season now. So you have essentially more water for more time in the Nile, which is which is having this effect of rising the water table.
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So you combine that with the size of Hawara and that the project the scope of the project to try and remediate and save or excavate start working at the labyrinth. I mean, you’re talking like millions and millions. It’s it’s not an easy problem to solve on an area that size to try and get the water out, divert the farmer’s water, deal with all of those problems, you know, and then so what I think the options are you might have been left with here is, like, well, it’s either gonna cost us an absolute bomb to to try and do this for, like, we don’t know what sort of gain.
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It’ll probably be a decade before that place is suitable for tourism. It’s there’s not much to see there even now. Or we basically say we’ve discovered it, but we’re not gonna do anything about it because it’s too expensive, and you’re gonna face a lot of international criticism for that.
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So I think that that the decision was likely made, in my opinion, complete speculation, that it’s just easy to brush us under the table. This never happened. We never discovered this. This doesn’t exist. Let’s just go on selling tickets on the Giza Plateau and pumping water out to the ai end for agriculture. God.
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How ai. Now when you sai millions, were you just gonna say dollars, or were you gonna say gallons of water?
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No. Dollars. I mean, I think the project the remediation project at Hawara would not be as it’s not a simple thing. In fact, they they did do there was another expedition after the Madara expedition in, ai, this was 02/2009. Cairo University saloni with a Polish university went out there to try and figure out what is the deal with the groundwater. Where’s it coming from? Ai, like, what direction?
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And what they were doing they were doing geological test pits and all these boreholes to figure out the water situation. According to them, that that information was also covered up because they also did ground penetrating radar surveys, also confirmed the labyrinth. The guy who was in charge of that in Cairo University was actually put in jail by they again, this is on their report when the information finally came out in 2017.
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He lost his job, obviously, as part of it. So they covered that up too, but they had they had tried ai
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in jail for what?
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For, I guess, for working on the site. Like, I don’t know. I I don’t know the reason. It’s it’s on their report, though. That’s what they sai. It’s that he was jailed because he Ai allegedly halted the project and then put the guy in jail. This is what they say on their on on the report from that, expedition that that that work which came out, like, a decade after they’ve done it.
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And Ai dig it up on the Internet. I’m like, well, this is interesting because their results are interesting, but they even after their work, their conclusion was, well, the water’s a very complicated problem. It’s coming from a couple different directions. Northeast is the shallowest, like, it’s coming in from this way, but it’s also coming from another direction.
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They’d have to dig a lot more test holes, in a wider area to really figure it out, and I think you’d have to start digging, like, remediation wells, put in pumps, and just try and pump that down. If not, canal and and trench that whole thing out ai a massive sai, and then you can start to worry about, ai, we’re gonna get some dirt out and start to excavate.
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Could it be done without interrupting the farmers?
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Probably. Yeah. I mean, it’s I think it’s I think we could do it. Ai I think that you can divert and move the the Barwabi Canal out of the way if you had to. I just
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think Someone needs to holler at Jeff Bezos. Someone yeah. Someone with some deep pockets. Like, don’t you wanna know?
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22:41
Now you wanna know? I ai know. I mean yeah. Well, the crazy thing is too is is that according to the because the story doesn’t end there. Like, when you get into the modern space based scans, Meh and Burrows and the GeoScan stuff, and I know that also I’ve met the the guys from the Khafre project.
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They are gonna scan that site. We talked to them about it, recently in the cosmic summit. And then, I I think, you know, the lower what they’re saying so far is that the lower levels, like because this thing goes down, like I said, to nearly a 100 meters. There’s there’s reported, like, levels down to 300 feet under the ground, and and it seems like they might be free of water.
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So it’s just it’s just ai shallow groundwater. And once you get into the bedrock and it’s and it’s like it’s like it’s not a porous stone or whatever’s underneath just the the top level sediment, it it seems like it you know, Tim Aaker said it looks like it’s free of water.
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So the very bottom layers, seem to be free of it. So
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So the the actual labyrinth, very bottom layers.
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The the labyrinth is multiple levels at least. So we’d be But is
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it possible that they could somehow or another from the side dig a tunnel below everything
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If
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you could. Below the water?
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Yeah. You’d have to dig a deep tunnel. You could I mean, that’s also an option is to try if you if you actually believe and you go with these scans, you know where that atrium is, we could probably try and get down there and just line a tunnel somehow, get down. That would be epic if we did that in our lifetime. I I would love to see it. Like, it’d be incredible.
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Seems like a terrible travesty if they don’t.
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I agree, which is the reason I made that video in the first ai. Sai wanted to draw attention to the labyrinth because it’s just I think it is, like, the the biggest opportunity for us. Ai, if in terms of massive discoveries in the ancient world, I can’t think of anything that’s bigger than the I know the Khafre Sai stuff is super interesting, and the the claims are ai, and it’s but this is, like, known about.
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Like, this sai been talked about, and then it’s been confirmed with multiple scans. You had you had Madara Expedition. You had Cairo University. I don’t think it was, like, walk Rocklaw. I’m butchering that, the Polish, university.
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Or then you had Geoscan team, which was Klaus Ai, a friend of his who runs this German Geoscan, space based satellite thing. It’s like a mathematical statistical approach. Ai kinda use it to determine the elemental composition of stars is the best explanation I have. However, they have a track record of being able to find things like water and oil and gold under the ground.
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So they’ve been using that as a company for, like, people to go basically ai and go dig, and they’ve done three or four of these and then, okay. This is where you said it was. They scanned the labyrinth. They were the first space based scan to come out and talk about it. Then you had Meh Burrows, which is this ex UK military technology that’s very similar in technique to the CAFRE sai ai.
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Like, so they use synthetic aperture radar or doppler tomography. These guys are using, like, high frequency orbital imaging with seismic data. So it’s it’s very similar in the way they’re in that you’re essentially the description I I was told is it’s like imagine dropping pebbles into a container of water, and if you could instantly freeze that container and lift it out and shine a light from underneath it when you look at it on the top, you can you can see those ripples in three dimensions, but you’re looking at it on a two d scan ai of thing, and you can interpret them to show you the topography of whatever’s in that three-dimensional space.
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It’s something similar to that.
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So technology. Fucking awesome, dude. It is. It’s so awesome.
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It’s wild.
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It’s so awesome that they just have the ability to do that and look vatsal that. Be beyond the cafe stuff, which, you know, I I don’t want to get disappointed. So I I I look at that ai, like, it’s too great. It’s too amazing. It’s too spectacular.
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It’s a huge claim.
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Yeah. And if it’s true, oh, boy, does that change everything about everything?
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I I mean, I’m in the camp of want to believe. Trust me. Sai mean I’m
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sure you
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are. But I’m not but I don’t I mean, I’m I was skeptical initially when it came out. I’ve talked I’ve since I’ve since certainly come around on the meh on the promise of the technology. I my my skepticism probably still exists in in the the layer between the scans as I’ve seen them and then the interpretations of the results.
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The three
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d Exactly. Yeah. The the the and what their interpretations of it arya a little weird. It’s because, like, you don’t really have a crystal clear view of what this thing is. It looks
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like spirals.
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Yeah. You’re making it look like it’s some sort of a Tesla coil or whatever it is. Like
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Giant cubes with these four tunnels. Yeah. I I look. It we’ll sai. And and and I wanna get into, like, the Sana Shah because that’s another thing that Ai just recently put a video out about these other scans that have happened in the nineties confirm that that have since ai been confirmed by the cuff arrest sai team work.
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But, yeah, at the labyrinth, at least, the interesting thing to me that happened with these two wildly different techniques. Right? So you have you have the GeoScan, which is the statistical mathematical approach, space based still, but then you have and the Mellon Burrows, which is a similar tech technique to the cuff race gang group.
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And it was used I mean, just so this is what Timaker’s would tell you. It was used to detect submarines. They would look at, like, surface patterns on the water, and they were using it to basically track submarines under the water. So it’s it’s that’s its origins, at least in the military, as far as I know. Mhmm. It’s like the non ai part of it is what he said.
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At least reported to have said, I should say.
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Are there ancient artistic depictions?
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not ancient, but certainly Ai, appears in it. It’s it’s it’s I think some of it’s symbolic, but we do get a lot of descriptions from those authors. So for example, Herodotus talks about it being, you know, 1,500 rooms on one level. A total of he said there’s two levels. He saw one level.
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He wasn’t allowed to go to the lower level. He said that it’s 3,000 rooms in vatsal. And not just rooms, but also courts, massive open courts. These are ai
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Herodotus didn’t have access?
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Not to the bottom level according to him. Interesting. But Diodorus Siculus did. Like, they these guys talk about you know, Siculus said that you needed a guide. You would get lost down there for days if you didn’t have a guide who knew his way around. And then you have same you have the same similar accounts from Pliny the Elder.
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And and again, these these once you I think once you meh, accounts coming from multiple people over the span of centuries that are from different civilizations, both Roman and Greek, and they’re they’re correlating. It’s like this is pretty reliable data at this point. And and certainly in in history or in archaeology, you that’s what that’s your measure for, like, ai.
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There’s a grain of truth in this given that we’ve got the same thing coming from these different accounts that are essentially different civilizations that visited the same place. And what they say is astonishing. It’s but all of them talk about there being 100 if hundreds, if not thousands of rooms and twisting chambers and then also giant open courts with meh that might have 40 columns to a side.
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And all of it being done with just spectacular craftsmanship. Yeah. This is this is sai Diodorus Siculus, first century BC, talking about that, you know, the in speak of carving and other works of craftsmanship, they left no room for their successors to surpass them. He’s saying that there is this is phenomenal work. And in this sacred enclosure, one found a temple surrounded by columns 40 to each ai.
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And this roof had a this building had a roof made of a single stone carved with panels and richly adorned with excellent paintings. So 40 to a side, that’s 80.
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And how was this even lit?
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What? That’s always a good quest that’s sai that’s a core question when you get into any of these subterranean spaces ai the Serapeum. It’s it’s always there’s no soot, like Right. We don’t know how the the answer is you don’t know. It wasn’t with flame. Like, I don’t think it was with flame.
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And then So
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you had Go back to Strabo’s depictions. In addition to these things, there is the edifice of the labyrinth, which is a building quite equal to the pyramids. A great palace made of many palaces
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Yeah.
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For such as the number of how’s it word? Peristyle. Peristyle courts, which lie contiguous with one another. Before the entrances, there lie what might be called hidden chambers, which are long and many in number and have paths running through one another, which twist and turn, so that no one can enter or leave any court without a guide.
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Yeah. So he you had Siculus’ account of one of those courts being 80 columns, like ai a side, and there was 12 of them, at least 12 of them in there. Wow. Yeah. Sai it’s absolutely crazy. Sai you have, you know, 3,000 rooms, 12 gigantic courts. Diodorus talks about the the roof being made of a single stone.
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I very much doubt that, but what I think he’s describing is the craftsmanship that you see in those real megalithic buildings in Egypt where you can’t see the joints.
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And here, Pliny the Elder, who lived, between twenty three and seventy nine CE, which is current time. Yep. So he’s saying three thousand six hundred years ago, this was constructed according to tradition.
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Isn’t that interesting? Meh.
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Right. So that predates the pyramids.
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Yeah. By a long way. Yeah. He’s he’s Allegedly. Allegedly. Ai. Well, if you go with the orthodox date of the pyramids, sure. It’s he says that, you know, so essentially March, that it was built according to the tradition at the time, three thousand six hundred years.
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So with the conventional dating of the pyramids, that’s more than a thousand years earlier?
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About a thousand years. Yeah. A little little less maybe.
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And the conventional dating is ai,
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It’s questionable. Sai ai, even the carbon dating on the pyramids doesn’t quite match the conventional dating. It’s a little earlier than that. So it’s
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What is the carbon dating from? Pieces and
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So they got meh. Some exactly. Yeah. Some mortar, in the carbon dating.
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And what
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is that? What with the date? Yeah. So it’s I believe it’s it’s like a wide range, but it’s it’s it’s, like, several 100 years, like, 200 prior to what they would, like, say is the the time of of Khufu, of Cheops, the the the ruler in the fourth dynasty, certainly on the Great Pyramid at least.
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And what is the room for error when they do arya data?
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32:27
Well, it’s it depends on the samples, and there’s there’s a lot of specifics, but it could be plus ai twenty, thirty, 50, a 100. It depends. I think the the ram arya of error, they did multiple samples. I believe it’s it’s less than that, so that they’re pretty firm that the data is earlier.
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32:41
So it gets this is, it’s kind of a bryden I mean, I think there’s a bunch of people that have talked about the fact that the archaeologist Egyptologists don’t really reference that date because it kinda messes up their timeline a little bit.
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Of course.
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It’s not thousands of years. It’s hundreds of years. So the the explanation tends to be, well, it was old wood. It’s ai the ash that gets mixed into the mortar as the source for the arya, and they say, well, maybe they just burnt really old trees.
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That’s very convenient.
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Right. It becomes convenient. Yeah.
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And Well, all of it’s convenient, which is which gets really weird because we know that they did some enhancements to the pyramid. Like, they refurbished some things.
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Exactly.
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And so that’s the problem. It’s ai, when you refurbished what and how long was it there before you refurbished it?
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Indeed. I I look. I think I don’t I’m not I don’t discount the carbon dating. I I think what you can say from the carbon dating firmly is that the that it it shows that these pyramids were being worked on. If you can’t I don’t think you can make the jump to say this is when they were built.
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You have to you have to infer and say that I think this is when they were they were were certainly being worked on in that period. So I think it’s possible that dynastic Egyptians could have finished the pyramids. They may not have been entirely pyramids originally. I think there’s I think there’s a strong chance that there were multiple phases of construction over a long time to to for them to end up being what they are in our ai.
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I think those are all possibilities here because it just the this is the whole when you you take a a step back and look at the whole picture of ancient Egypt, I mean, just you you cannot attribute everything that we see in ancient Egypt to our current understanding of those dynastic Egyptians, their capabilities, their tools, their writings, and what we know about them.
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We know an awful lot. Like, they do we we have tools from the ancient Egyptian toolbox. We found them. We have depictions shown on walls of how they did things. That were very good about documenting them. So we we have the tools, we have the depictions.
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We also have lots and lots of artifacts that match those tools and depictions. Right? We’ve got these what are clearly handmade artifacts, and and this is across all the categories of artifacts ram things like stonework columns, obelisks, oh, sorry. Yeah. Obelisks and vases, boxes, pyramids even. And then you have this other category of artifacts that is doesn’t match and can’t be explained by these tools and techniques.
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And there’s there’s just no there’s no depictions on walls of how they made the precision artifacts. There’s no
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Can you give me an example of these precision artifacts?
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Of course. Yeah. In any category. I have it in that tyler of two industries director Jamie on there. It’s,
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The vases are probably the best example. They’re a smoking gun example of it.
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A three d printed one.
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Yeah. So this is these these, to me I mean, this is why the the Vase, project was so I mean, to me, quite validating when it came up. Yeah.
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That wheel thing.
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Yeah. The schist disc. Yeah. So these are the smoking gun because they connect to everything else, and we’re learning so much about the precision of these things. However but we could start with statues or boxes or, you know, columns. It doesn’t really matter. There there there are two categories across all of these artifacts.
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And the advanced category, again, it so you can’t really make them with the tools that the ancient Egyptians were just were we know they were using that we found. They don’t show the scene there’s no scenes of building stone pyramids. There’s no scenes of them making giant statues, like thousand ton statues.
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This is the type of thing that you see on the wall, and this is in the tomb of the nobles up in, the West Bank at Luxor. And here, they’re building mud bricks. So they’re firing mud bricks over the fire. They’re they’re you can see them. They’re pouring them. They’re shaping them. They’re carrying them.
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It’s all very relatively primitive. And we know they made mud brick pyramids. They made mud brick ram, and some of the mud bricks are big and heavy. We we know all about this. But you don’t see is the is the, is the is the the the stone pyramid building, the really massive megalith stuff.
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The next the next slide with the the vases is a good example. This is what I’ve been calling the tale of two industries. It’s a whole theory that I’ve been putting together for the last few years. Again, you have a primitive industry that is clearly observably handmade. It lacks precision and symmetry.
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We found the tools. The Egyptians drew the scenes. The artifacts match the tools and techniques. And then you have this advanced industry, visibly sophisticated, usually very hard stone is the other characteristic. The the the primitive stuff is usually softer stone, although not always.
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It the these artifacts, as we’re doing analysis on them, are showing this depth of precision and complexity that’s phenomenal. The vases are are just this is where they become a smoking gun to this whole argument, I think.
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Can you for people that don’t know about this stuff, can you just give them some numbers on what
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Sure. So, yeah, the the vases go back to bryden dynastic times. It’s it’s it’s there’s no debate that these are pre dynastic. They predate what we would call the dynastic civilization. And over the last few years, they’ve we’ve been starting to analyze them. We, the VASEcan team, various groups of people now, have been scanning these with modern technology, lidar scanning, like laser scanning, even CT Ai scanning.
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And basically, they’re coming back with precision in terms of circularity, flatness, like centering, numbers that arya very much equate to some of the best industrial processes that we do today is things like aerospace industry. So where it’s really important to be within two or three or four thousandth thousandths of an inch of perfection for, like, the parts we make for jet engines or rocket engines, Those are the numbers that we’re seeing come back on a lot of these vatsal.
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Not all of them again. Like, I don’t wanna say this is true for all of them. It’s not it’s true for a lot of them, though. And this is again, this is these are levels of precision that are not visible to the naked eye. I mean, you’re talking human hair, like a sheet of printer papers, ai, six or seven thousandths of an inch thick.
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A human hair is two to three or four thousandths thick, and you’re seeing sometimes tolerances even lower than that. So you you it’s not something you can feel or see or touch, but we see it again and again. And the only way we can achieve those sort of tolerances today is with very advanced machines.
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You know, three d five axis mills, you know, really high precision lathes, CAD, like computer controlled equipment.
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Problem with the lathe though is the handles on this.
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Right? Right. So, yeah, if you get into it so this is this is the issue with this. And and one of the craziest things about and this is the OG vase, the original granite vase. This is the one that started it all. It’s one of the more precise ones. And, yeah, you could you can imagine without the handles, you could ai that if you’re spinning it.
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40:48
But if you if you had the handles, if you wanted these handles, you would have to leave a bull nose that runs all the way around it and then come back with a different process, a different tool to remove that space that this this basically the space between the handles off the body.
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And you don’t see a lack of symmetry in those spaces?
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Well, precision. So this is this is the thing. So when we do that today, it’s called you you basically lose some positional calibration on your tool. So we account for that in the way we do industrial design of these sorts of parts. So we know that we’re gonna lose a little bit of precision when we change tools and process. Ai?
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So we account for that, but you don’t see that on this. When when we did, I went back and we we did they we did analysis of this area of the base body in between the handles, and there’s no drop in precision relative to the rest of the vessel. So that means one of two things.
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One option is, okay, they could they could handle that positional that lack of that loss of positional calibration better than we can, or it wasn’t done on a lathe and it was done in what you would call a single pass with a single tool. And the only way you can do that is on a is is with a tool with five axes of freedom.
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So now you’re talking about a five axis CNC mill, like one of those computer controlled things that can just cut it out in basically one pass, but without changing tools and process.
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With incredibly hard stone.
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And that’s the other challenge with this stuff, and there’s some samples of the stone there in front of you from vessels. Vatsal saloni? These are actual pieces from vessels. Yeah. Ai got a from a private collector.
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Ai just gotta think, like, who made this and how old is this? How old
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is this? This piece, at least five, six thousand years, I think I think it potentially quite old, and we can get into how old, I think. But so that’s the other challenge that is rarely talked about is the material. Like, we we these things are made from granite, diorite, rock crystal.
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That thing’s rock crystal, basically quartz. Feels so hard. It’s insanely hard. Meh. All these different oh, yeah. It’s it’s yeah.
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It’s it’s ai I have a granite, mortar and pestle at ai. It was big heavy thing. It’s like I don’t need to protect it from anything. Right. I have to protect my counters from it because if I just it’s gonna destroy anything it hits.
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And this is so thin.
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So that’s yes. So this is that’s the other it’s translucent. You hold a light up to it. Can see. Even the rock crystal one’s translucent. Wow. So that one gets down to about two millimeters thickness just under the lip. Oh, wow. Yeah. You put a phone light on it. It’s you see it comes right through it. And, I mean, so with granite and with diorite and particularly granite, I mean, it’s essentially a conglomerate. Right?
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So it’s you have it. It’s not a material that’s homogeneous. So inside of granite, you’ve got silica and hornblende and mica and all these different quartz and, you know Hence the pattern. Hence the pattern, but also, almost microscopically, it changes hardness. You know what I mean? So so some of that stuff is less hard than other bits.
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And it’s the way granite takes millions of years and heat and pressure to bond those things together atomically, and that’s the stone we get when it pops up out on the bedrock and we we mine it. But it’s it just means that when you’re machining a material like granite, it you ai, your tool tip is going from stuff that’s really hard to softer to hard, and it’s like you have to account for that yet we see this you feel the surface of it.
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It’s phenomenally well polished and finished. I mean, if you were doing this today with a lot of modern tool tips, you’d be ripping chunks of quartz out rather than machine than cutting them. Sai So something that the actual tool tip that made these things we know is also very refined because this is a very difficult substance to choose to work in.
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No stone sculptor chooses to work in granite unless that’s what the project calls for. There’s a reason they use marble is that it’s it’s both much softer and it’s homogeneous. Like, it’s the same material. It doesn’t vary in hardness widely. So making these sort of precision things and and objects out of stuff like granite and getting it down to two millimeters thick ai that other piece near the lip.
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Yeah. This is crazy.
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And it’s there’s even examples that get even thinner than that. Flinders Petrie talked about, a diorite vessel that was one fortieth of an inch thick about he’s he called it the thickness of stout playing card. Yeah. This is it here.
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Wow. Look at the light going through it.
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That’s that’s about two millimeters thick. That one’s one of Matt Bell’s vases. It’s meh probably my favorite. It’s, like, typically called the thin walled vase, but it’s a phenomenal piece. I’m amazed it’s actually survived this long because it is that’s one of the rare few delicate ones.
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You could break that because it’s so thin because the again, with this type of stone, it gets really brittle, and it’s like glass, like a cube of glass, bang that on anything. Right. Thin glass shatters. Same as the saloni, yet they did this again and again and again and again.
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How do we know that this is predynastic?
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Well, from where they’re found. I mean, they’re they’re literally found in predynastic burials. This is the this is the real this is why the vases are so important to me. It it’s and why I think they’re the smoking guns. One of the big reasons is that they they they’re uncontrovertibly or incontrovertibly predynastic because they’ve been found in burials that that are a 100% pre dynastic. Nikkadakulture, Nikkadak too.
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You can go to any museum that has a reasonable collection of these and find them in the pre dynastic section all over. There’s no debate. Like, they’re found in these burials and they carbon date the burials or they culture date them or reference date them to periods of thousands of years prior to the dynastic Egyptian civilization.
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There’s there’s good evidence that they may even stretch back as far as 12 to 14,000 BC that they’re in burials that go back that far in, like, the Woah. Like, Southern Egypt, Northern Sudan area. Yeah. It’s crazy. And it’s, a lot of those burials, unfortunately, today are underwater because of the dam that created Ai Massa.
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But either way, I don’t people will debate the how far back they go. It’s just not controversial at all to say that they are ai. Sai 100%. And I think the reason is is that they’re this size. Right? You can bury this with you.
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If you have it and you can be buried with it, you can’t do that with a thousand ton statue.
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Right.
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It stays on the ai. And then maybe someone down the road writes his name on it, like Ram the second or somebody put carves his name into it. And then we come along thousands of year later and say, oh, Ramesses II’s name’s on that. Therefore, he must have had it made. I ai, that’s essentially ai one of the core principles of Egypt. Tyler they do use the writing primarily as a source, not the only source, but they do.
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And the ai, what’s the problem with even dating them to those predynastic settlements is that there is nothing about those cultures that indicates they had this capability. Nikkada culture and even the ones like Toshka, these older ones, pretty similar in that you’re talking, like, the burials are often, like, shallow vatsal position graves.
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You find these precision hard stone objects with fishbone combs, sticks, and stones, very primitive hand thrown pottery, not even thrown, just hand formed pottery. No other stonework. You know, I’ve seen antiques dealers that that are that are selling these vases because there is a a huge there’s a lot of these in the in the private market and in, in private possession because of their size and their availability and there’s how many there were because there’s hunt, like
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Are they illegal to possess? No. No. No. So you could get a hold of one of those
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Yeah. Yeah. There’s I know collectors with, like, eighty, ninety of them, a 100 of them. What? Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. They’re on they’re on they come up to sell.
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Of them available?
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48:08
There’s I would say today, there’s, easily over a 100,000 hard stone vessels for sure. I mean, they found 50,000 of them in one spot. Like, that’s the famous discovery of the Step Pyramid. But, yeah, it’s crazy. There’s a lot. I think there were even more. Like, it this was an industry.
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Like, that’s the other key. And and a lot of these are semi exotic types of stone too. We don’t know where the stone came from.
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48:29
It’s It’s not local?
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48:30
In a lot of cases, no. We like like, there’s lapis there’s lapis lazuli artifacts that are ai, and there’s no known quarry for lapis in Egypt. The closest one’s Afghanistan. What? Right. Yeah. Well, there’s How
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far is Afghanistan from Egypt?
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Oh, I didn’t I mean, must be it’s right over on the other side of the Middle East, I think, isn’t it? It’s over towards yeah. It’s up towards Russia and China. It’s, Show that image again, Jamie.
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Yeah. That you just pulled up?
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So there well, there’s the ai room. There’s Egypt. Afghanistan. So Turkey, Afghanistan over here, Uzbekistan, Afghan over here, like, on the other side of Saudi Arabia and Iran. So you’ve gotta go all the way from Iran.
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Oh my god.
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So that’s the nearest Lapis quarry. I mean, look. There’s a this this is not a problem, restricted to the vases either. There’s a box in the Ai Shaft, which is, more the box itself just they say it’s what’s fourth dynasty. It’s made from a stone called dacite. And, again, there’s no known quarry in Egypt for dacite. This happens a lot.
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So it’s it’s almost
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like to that image, Jamie, please?
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There’s one on the map.
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Yeah. There there’s one of the things that freaks me out about the map is when you go out, it looks like it was washed over.
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Oh, 100%. Yeah.
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A 100%.
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I’ve talked a lot with Randall about this.
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Look at that. Like, go go back out again. Look at that below it.
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Yeah. The Sahara?
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That’s exactly what it looks like. It looks washed out.
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It is. That’s what it is.
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Yeah. But that’s crazy. It is. Like, how much water wash that out? I mean and how else would you get what looks exactly like a water washout? How else would those features be be on the surface?
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It’s a Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some some of those are mountains and and mountain ranges, but I can tell you in the desert, not so much That I mean, there are mountains.
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That just looks like channels of it just looks like an insane amount of water literally washed over the area and smoothed it out.
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Yeah. I mean, there’s huge there’s there’s a massive amount of evidence for massive for for giant floods through the Nile Valley as well, not not just across the Sahara, arya, I mean, Petrie was talking about he was up on cliffs, you know, and finding water lines and and and flint points and stuff that that were indicative of massive floods.
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This is Hawara. Yeah. This is the labyrinth.
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Wow.
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So there’s the canal. You see that’s the canal. I’ve been talking the Barwabi Canal. It is
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it’s so crazy that when you get to, like, Sai Saharan Africa, like, how little of that has been explored and how much of that was, like, insanely green and fertile.
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Not that long ago. Well, certainly not. Yeah, thousands of years ago. Well, it it’s interesting. I just you know, I did a it’s I did this long video on the erosional features of the Giza Plateau because last year, 02/2024, they released a paper that, they I think some geologists, I can’t remember the names, unfortunately, but they talked about the fact that there was all of the all of the valley temples.
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So these pyramid, you know, on all these pyramids that are on the what you would call the I mean, Lower Egypt. So Giza, Abar Awash, Abusir, Saqqara, Ai. They all the pyramids aren’t just a pyramid. It’s a pyramid complex. So it’s ai you have a pyramid, you’ve got a structure in front of it, you’ve got this causeway that runs down to what the name would call a Valley Temple, a structure that’s the end of the causeway.
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So that’s the the the the the well known Valley Temple that’s next to the Sphinx is the Valley Temple for the Middle Pyramid, like it’s connected by this causeway. Then they figured out that during the African humid period, which ended thousands of years before dynastic Egypt ever started, there was a branch of the River Nile called the Ram branch that ran exactly where all of these valley temples are.
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So it’s it’s like they would it’s almost I mean, I just look at it and go, this was built these were built for that water source because I think it’s super I’m very skeptical about the idea of these all of these valley temples, particularly the one that Giza Plateau being used as harbors for, like, a couple months a year to to transport all these blocks from the quarry in Aswan.
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Again, 600 miles away, right, for all the granite. And there’s thousand tens of thousands of tons hundreds of thousands of tons of granite on on that plateau that had to be transported. I don’t think there’s the depth there. I’ve seen pictures and photographs in early times pre dam when the Nile flooded. There’s there’s not that much water there.
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However, during the African humid period, which ended at the latest 6,000 BC, but stretches back thousands and thousands of years before that, that’s when the Sahara was a savanna. You had river basins and lakes, like like lakes and rivers. You had you had meh more rainfall, and it wasn’t like a it wasn’t this flood situation.
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It wasn’t this annual inundation. There was just rainfall, and there was enough water in that Nile Valley to support this Ararat branch of the Ai, which is was said to be ai a mile or two miles wide in some places. So really not like an insignificant waterway. But it was high and it was it was running and and they’ve traced the path of this Ararat branch, branch, and it turns out all of these valley temples from these pyramid complexes are on its banks.
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And it wouldn’t it’s ai like it’s flooding. It’s like there all the time. And and this end this period ends and the you get the desertification of the Sahara starting around ‘6 6500, June, BC. And so, you know, it’s not like until, you know, if you get 05/4000, forty five hundred BC, March, that’s when you sort of that’s 3,100 is kind of when we say the Egyptian civilization started.
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So it doesn’t make sense to me that if if they built these valley temples and these and these all these structures in, like, 2,800 BC, I mean, what do you you would you would build it where the river is. Like, the river was way down there if that before. Yeah. And so I What is the response to this?
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Well, I I just put it in my I mean Does anybody try to debunk it? No. It’s a it’s a peer reviewed scientific study. This is what happens in these with a lot of these, these papers. You’ll you’ll see this in it happens in genetics and the DNA studies that have been done too.
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54:19
You don’t these other scientists will not really step on the toes of the archaeologists or the the historians. Right? They’ll they’ll present the data, but stop from inferring what it could mean for the picture of history. Got it. Sai they just to be left out there
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and go, you guys ai it out.
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Yeah. Pretty much. And they just, whoop, hands off.
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And the archaeologists sai, we’re not gonna touch it.
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Yeah. They ignore it usually. They don’t go they don’t care. It’s, yeah, it’s left to, like, rogue scholars and idiots like me on YouTube. People that write books to to really try and put the pieces together.
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There’s a YouTube. Dude. Ai?
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I know.
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I mean, thank God there’s a place where a video like yours can get millions of views where so many people all around the world can watch that and go, wait. Yeah. What’s going on down there? Ai, this who really knows? And why do these people why are they so sure? Like, why are they so arrogant in their ideas?
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Because it’s very clear that it’s it’s not it’s there’s not a you know, like, we know civil war ended in 1865. Right?
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Right.
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It’s like it’s all written down. Everybody knows people were alive. There’s, like, photographs of the soldiers. We’re pretty accurate with that. Yeah. You get to fucking 6,000 BC, man. You’re just guessing.
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Alright. Yep. It’s it’s a it’s, meh. The further back you go, the much hazy
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you can’t tell. Evidence.
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There is way less evidence.
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Yeah. And it’s also it it scares them because something like that, if if you really do find advanced structures that are at 6,000 BC. Well, you know, before Gobekli Tepe, we didn’t even know that that was even possible.
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Right.
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And that’s that famous, conversation that, happened with Robert Shah and that really arrogant archaeologist.
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Mark Ai.
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Meh. Which is he’s laughing. Like, why would you laugh about ancient history, first of all? Yeah. What what ancient civilizations are is that guy still alive?
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Lehner? Yeah. Show me the pot shirts.
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He must feel so stupid now.
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Well, yeah.
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I have to go back, like, tap it. Ai, someone should show him that video and go, why are you laughing? Ai. Like, because this is just human ego.
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Yeah.
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This is human ego on display for the world. You wanna be the gatekeepers of this information. You wanna be the one person or the person that represents this group of human beings that are the scholars, that have published work, that have taught at universities and you’re the only ones.
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You’re the
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only ones that know the the ancient history of Earth ai the fact that there’s people like yourself and Graham Hancock sana all who’ve spent a lot of time and they’re very careful about what they say and spent a lot of time investigating this. And they just sana dismiss those people Yeah. Because they don’t have the proper credentials or what they what are you talking about?
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Well, it’s I think it’s yes. That’s that’s that’s exactly what’s happening. I think it and it is as a result of the the fact that the conversations is getting out of their hands. Right? If you Yes. It’s one of the things I admire so much about the the there’s the people who started this, what we would call archaeological Egyptological space, guys like Flinders Petrie, you know, they’re very open about what they didn’t know.
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Like, one of my like, Petrie would tell he talks about the machining marks, and you can read between the lines at the wonder at what he’s finding. He’s like, I don’t get it. Like, I don’t we can’t do it. We don’t know how they did it. And this is, I think, because the conversations happening in those halls of, you know, the academic halls or the geographical club or whatever these It doesn’t
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get out to the hall.
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Doesn’t get out. And then Right. And so that slowly changes with the rise of, initially, like, alternative authors, you know, you you you which best represented by Graham Hancock, good friend of mine as well. And he, you know, his books and they start to gain in popularity, and now these I guess, the people in the in the academic halls of residence that are typically considered the authority are seeing this conversation get out of hand.
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And now you get to YouTube where, you know, it’s to some extent, I think it is possible to do an end run or an end end run around what they’re saying. And I do watch people, and there are guys like Flint that are trying to embrace that the new media space and try and get on podcast.
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And, you know, if you read the SAA journals and articles, the Society of American Archaeology, they literally brought into themselves saloni, how can we become more popular in this ai, and how do we start podcasts and get into it?
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The problem is they’re still doing it the same way.
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They are. And it’s this It’s
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like when CNN journalists get ai from CNN and start a podcast sana everybody like, no. You’re doing CNN outside of CNN. Yeah. That’s what they’re doing. They’re doing academia, which is ai gatekeeping of information. Yeah. And also, like, pejoratives, mocking Right. Really shitty behavior towards anyone who’s outside of it, including calling them racist, calling them white supremacists. It’s it’s so dumb.
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It’s so dumb, because one of the dumbest parts about it is, no matter what, those are the people that lived in Africa. So no matter what Oh. No matter what no matter whoever built that
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Yeah.
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Is people that lived in Africa.
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They were Africans.
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Shah the fuck up. Yeah. Like, the white supremacy thing makes no sense. Yeah. It’s ai I mean It’s Africans. It’s Africans. 100 look. That’s the people that were living there. If if humans made it, you know, if you’re not in the alien camp, which is a bizarre camp, but if you’re not in the I’m in the ancient civilization, incredibly advanced, cataclysmic disaster
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Yep.
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Wipes them out. Civilization takes a long time to rebuild, finds the remnants of these ancient civilizations, and then sort of claims them over generations. After a thousand years, nobody really knows who fucking built it. You know? And then this is this is where I think we find ourselves. That’s that’s where I’m at.
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But if you’re in that camp, you’re talking about Africans.
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Yes.
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So all these shitty things they do just show their hand. Just show what they’re really all about. What you’re really all about is silencing anything that really throws a monkey wrench into everything you’ve been teaching for decades. Like, you’ve claimed that you’re the expert.
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You’ve claimed arrogantly that you have all the information when you clearly are wrong.
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Absolutely. That that is what’s happening. It’s actually ai a quote that I I steal from my friend Christopher Dunn quite happily, which is, you know, you wouldn’t trust an archaeologist to design the chair he’s sitting on. But if it’s an ancient chair, he’s gonna claim he’s the expert on it ai this. And this is what happens.
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I I had Joseph Wilson on a podcast talk about he’d I had this great quote from him. He said, you know, just because some engineer standing there, you know, shining a laser on a vase, don’t let that don’t let don’t mistake that for him knowing more about the guy who can read hieroglyphs because he can read what they wrote about it and he’s the authority on it ai of thing.
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It’s just like, you’re just dismissing all of these other disciplines that are that are, I think, are required for a a true and complete picture of trying to assemble this evidence. Right? Ai, as you said, there’s there’s very little evident evidence that shows us definitively what happened in the dim, dark, distant past, but it’s you gotta try and make the case for it as best you can, and I think we should try and encompass all of the evidence.
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And one of the disciplines that’s missing from that approach is the engineering stuff. It’s the precision stuff. It just gets dismissed out of hand. And, yeah, we just because we’re not the authority figures on that on that topic, it it just yeah. They ignore it, which is what happens.
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And then when they
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I don’t know how you can ignore the vases, how you can ignore the statues, the symmetry, and the construction of the faces.
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It’s it’s starting to become a problem. Like, they’re they’re trying. And and and even in the past when when, I would guess, the mainstream approaches to try and solve, say, some of the machining, examples, the tubular drills or the saw cuts, I mean, just when you when you dig down into them and the the answers that you get and the explanations that are offered are just don’t hold any water.
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It’s they’ve kind of they’re frankly ridiculous. Like Ai,
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the issue with the the drill bits is the revolutions per minute. Right?
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I meh, the the cores cores. Yeah. Well, it’s not the revolutions per minute. It’s the penetration rate. We don’t know
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How quickly it does.
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How yes. So how quickly it penetrates into stone. It I suspect that it’s, that it was it could have been turning quite slowly, but it’s like a one in 60 penetration rate is the rate of the spiral groove on the cores that have been analyzed, particularly Petrie’s core number seven.
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One in 60 meaning?
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One and so for, like, if you unwind that circular motion to a straight line, 60 inches horizontal travel, one inch vertical drop, which is 500 times greater than how we do it today with modern diamond tipped saws, hole saws, which do
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turn. Wow.
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So our modern ones, bear in mind, they you know, 900 Ram. They’ll they’ll cut through Ram slowly, but it cuts. I mean, no doubt. It grinds more more so than cutting. But, yeah, unwinding that spiral and looking at that’s what Petrie was, first of all, like, how is this possible?
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His His numbers got refined a bit by Chris Dunn, but more or less sai one in 60 penetration ai. So it’s very difficult to explain. There are multiple cores like this, and this is the this is the other element that I think the vases are are showing is is that you have a technological link between the vases and these other precision artifacts, the bigger ones that couldn’t be buried in these civilizations that to me suggest that they were made with the same technology.
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You see the same machining marks, the same tubular drill marks. On that quartz piece, if you look on the bottom, you can see the on the inside of it, there’s no other side. Do you see the tool mark? There’s a this This
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right here?
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Yeah. So this is like that’s the tubular drill. So this is that’s a a core function of how these vases are made. You would often find
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So this is the bottom.
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The bottom. So they’ve they’ve cored that thing out, and then they’ve snapped it off and polished it down, but they didn’t eliminate the full tool mark. And you’ll see that in a lot of vases. So we know that these tubular drills were used, with the vases as well. And we
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You have no idea of the power source, no idea what the material was that cut.
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No. Well Yeah? Sai, yeah, the vases have be it’s become interesting. One of the let me talk about the provenance part first because that’s been the one like, the the pushback on the vatsal, this is where it’s become a problem, is is nobody’s really been able to push back on the vatsal, like the, the the the scientific and the measurement data that’s come out, the precision factor, geometry.
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There’s a whole bunch in the geometry space that that that indicates that they are, like, designed. They’re not just made. They were designed with mathematical and geometrical, geometric principles in mind. They show ai, they show phi, the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequence, all this sort of stuff is in them.
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No one’s pushing back on that. The major, pushback on the vessels and the the early days of the VaseScan project was that, oh, these are modern fakes or something. Like, they’re not they’re not the real deal because they’re not coming from museums. They’ve been they’re modern forgeries. How can you say they’re real?
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So what’s happened in the years since, and when I first came on here and and talked a little bit about that, that was very much the early days of this project about two and a half years ago now. Now, the the vase scanner, particularly the Arya Foundation, Adam Young, who started this whole thing who owns he actually is his a copy of his vase.
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They’ve been in now four museums around the world. We’ve scanned close to a 100 vessels from inside of museums with impeccable provenance. Those results are starting to come out. They’re matching the results that we found so far. So the provenance thing is is kind of it’s that’s going away.
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01:05:26
The people that Ai think chose to fight on the Hill Of Providence have have died on it now. It’s they’re 100 they are legitimate. And to be fair, you can also ai, vessels in private collection with impeccable provenance, just as you can find a lot of vessels in museums that will have no idea where they came from.
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It it’s a it’s a much it’s not as clear as just, well, if it’s in a museum, we can trust it. And if it’s not, we can’t. It’s not like that. But, what else has happened is that there’s other as so the the the project came out, and it gained a lot of interest from really talented people around the world.
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And there’s been several of those. One of the guys that I’ve been working with a fair bit lately over the last couple of years ago named doc doctor Max Zamylov, who’s a physicist. I believe he taught for ten years. He’s a nuclear physicist, taught for ten years, I think, at Penn State. He’s, he runs his own company now.
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And Ai first he reached out to meh, and actually we took these fragments to his house, and I rolled up to his house in Florida. And sitting in his living room are two, like, scanning electron microscopes, you know, as you do who who doesn’t have two SEMs in their living room.
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01:06:29
So we we started to do things ai, like, look at these pieces through a scanning electron microscope to try and find evidence for the materials that we use to cut them. So you should if these were used with a tool, so the the orthodox explanation being, well, it’s a copper tube and it’s sand or it’s some sort of cutting medium and it’s it’s it’s spun and ground out.
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You should find traces of copper or whatever that material was in there. We looked at we spent days looking at several pieces, zero zero copper. Like, not didn’t find any copper. Nothing at all. The nice scanning electron microscope, not only do you get the magnification, but you can focus a beam of electrons onto a particular speak.
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And that backscatter of electrons, you can then map out the elemental composition of the material. So Can
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I pause you for a second here? Yeah. Are the oldest tools they found copper? Yeah. Yeah. And what is Copper
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and stone.
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And what are the dates of the oldest tools
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they found? They go back all the way to to to the old kingdom, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight hundred BC. Like, yeah, it was it was early days tyler were smelting. I mean, obviously, the older tools are stone tools, like flint. I mean, a lot of carving, you can carve stone with harder types of saloni. So there there was definitely flint and things being used.
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But there’s no evidence, ai, not up until, like, the very later periods of the Egyptian civilization is there any significant evidence for iron and things like that. Like, it it’s pretty much copper and bronze alloys, tin you know, copper and tinge bronze.
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So when they ai the the traces, there’s no copper?
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We didn’t find any copper. We did find some other stuff, which was very interesting. Well, the most interesting thing we did find was titanium. What? Titanium and titanium alloys with iron. We found iron, zinc, tin,
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zircon. Alloys.
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Yeah. So titanium. And it’s not that we’ve yes. So yeah. So when you find
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ram alloy, doesn’t that refer to something that
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has It’s melted. Right. That’s been put together. Exactly. In fact, you and you don’t titanium as we know it as a metal doesn’t exist naturally. So it’s in in nature, it’s titanium dioxide that is found in rocks. This was not titanium dioxide that we were looking at because you see a again, that the SEM gives you the spectrum. Right?
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01:08:36
So you would see oxygen and titanium together. We didn’t see that. And in fact, I did a I have a I have a video on this, and it’s we found a piece, actually, like a small, maybe twenty, thirty micron wide piece embedded in one of those grooves, in a tooltip that looked like an embedded piece.
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It shines up very brightly. When you see metals in on this in the SEM, it’s like a bright spot, and you can aim it at it, and it’s just straight titanium. And it looked like a small piece of a tool that had been wedged in there. And, I mean, look, in the in our modern times, Sai mean, think titanium was discovered even in the late eighteen hundreds.
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It wasn’t used outside of laboratories until the nineteen thirties as a material, but there seems to be evidence that there’s some titanium used back
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here. Published?
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No. Ai wouldn’t I know Max is trying to work on that. I would it was not a systematic we spent days, like, a couple of days, and it’s we didn’t do, like, a systematic grid search. Like, even in one of those pieces, you could spend it would take you a long time to just map it properly Right. Like, to scan the whole thing.
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But,
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it’s To play with devil’s advocate, would that be evidence of lack of a chain of custody that perhaps someone was Potentially. Using titanium to see if they could cut it?
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Yes. It could it could be, contamination. So we looked for signs of contamination. I didn’t this didn’t seem like contaminating. In fact, at the end of at the end of when we’d finished scanning, we actually took he had some titanium vatsal. Like, he was we we put some on on one of the pieces and put it in to see what that would look ai.
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Just these like a tiny ai, just like literally a a matchstick and just the tiniest end and just tapped it and then looked at that under the microscope to look at what contaminant it just didn’t seem to be contamination. You can’t rule it out. There’s it’s we found other types of metals as well.
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So it didn’t seem to be contamination. What is the reason why it didn’t seem to be that?
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Well, because it didn’t it so we looked at what contamination would look like. What is
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the difference?
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Well, so it’s like smaller speak where you can actually see the material. The one piece that we found, it seemed to be embedded in the stone. Like, it was as if something ai, this tiniest fragment of the tool or some sort of imagine it was a tooltip, wedged itself in the saloni, and then it stayed there.
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01:10:47
But it’s it was only, like, 20 or 30 microns wide, which is pretty big under a scanning electron microscope.
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But that was the only piece of titanium needed?
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We found other other specs of it. And then occasionally, it’d be titanium and iron mixed together. Oh. And then we we also found specs of, like, zinc, zircon, and tin, and then various combinations. I honestly I I think it’s it’s grounds for more investigation. I Ai think the most significant thing was the no copper thing. Like, it’s that’s like, ai. No copper. Like, that that to me was the biggest takeaway.
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The fact that we found some other elements in pieces of what, let’s say, questionable provenance. I know these are legitimate pieces from these vessels. Ideally, the best thing if we could, like, this would I’d love to work with the Egyptians to do something like this because I know there are fragments of vessels in the step pyramid.
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There’s there’s 100 thousands of them down there still. In fact, like, the last time we’ve got down to the very bottom level, which is, you know, there’s a special permission required to get into the step pyramid, and then even then, they generally won’t let you down to the bottom level.
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There’s another ladder and 30 feet down to the big bottom level. It goes down further, but it hits the water table again. But in one of these corners in this very bottom level, ai a 150, 200 feet under the step pyramid, we found a a wall and it was a collapsed it must have been a collapsed magazine of these vatsal.
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And this is the place where they found 50,000 of them originally, like like, Jean Philippe Loyais in the ai thirties found this huge cache of these vessels there. And in this wall, it’s an incredible little video. I’ve not published it. I mean, I do sana talk about it, but you could you literally see that it’s like a wall of dirt of of not rock, but but dirt.
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And in the wall, there’s, like, fragments of vessels because it had been a a a cache of them that there was something a tunnel had collapsed, and it did crush them. So you got these, like, pieces of worked granite or diorite or whatever just in the wall. So I’d that would be interesting if you could go down there and, like, get their permission to say, well, let’s sample.
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You because you have then you know, you’ve you’ve basically got it in its original environment from dynastic Egypt and put it in a ziplock or whatever. Just keep it. Don’t mess with it.
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Right. Clear chain of evidence.
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Clear chain of evidence and then scan it. So I think it’s an interesting observation.
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If they found titanium on that. Holy shit.
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Ai, I think the Russian there’s a Russian group that did something similar, and they also found a meh Ai think they found titanium as well. LAH, the Laboratory of Alternative History is
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How is titanium made?
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It’s a smelting process from titanium dioxide. I don’t know the the specifics of it. But it you have to take that titanium dioxide and, I assume, smelt it down or do something like it. Again, it took us up until Right. You know, nineteen thirties to use it at just anywhere outside of labs. So it’s super interesting.
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But that again, this I wouldn’t even say that’s the most interesting thing Max found. So he’s a crazy dude. He’s an interesting guy. He’s, you know, he’s he’s doing fusion experiments in his spare bedroom. He’s got, like, this apparatus surrounded by boxes of borax and
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borax on the stone in
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his neighborhood. 10 foot tesla gore. Yeah. So he took to get then this this is this sort of ties back to the tool marks. It ties back to a question you asked me when I was here last, which is what’s my wildest speculation. I actually have some now, which is based on some evidence in its early days. He has published on this on his ai, but he took precision vases.
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01:14:06
He took base rock samples of the rock that these were made from from the place. I actually got him a piece of basalt. He took non precision vases, and he put them in a germanium detector, basically, to look at the radioactive and the the isotope sort of baseline radiation of these pieces, and it turns out the precision vases are radioactive.
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They’re they’re two to three he he’s tested several. Relative to the base rock samples and the non precision vases, they have two to three times the thorium decay products in them, all of them so far. And in fact, that piece right there has he said has a the the quartz piece or the crystal piece has a notable cesium one three seven signature in it as well.
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So that’s an interesting,
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Nuclear titanium. Nuclear titanium. Could be.
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I don’t know about that. But it’s so he’s look. It’s, again, early days. But he’s he has published it on his website, the findings, and he is he’s obtaining more equipment to do more testings and more in-depth testing that he will be meh more definitive about. He did sai take some recently to the Petrie Museum in London to test some of their artifacts, but it’s a very interesting result.
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This this has to have been something that irradiated these vessels that give them that signature even after meh many thousands of years with the half life. Again, we’re comparing it to the base rock samples and the non precision bases, which have they’re just ai that’s nothing. And they need they’re not dangerous or anything.
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It’s just the it’s just above a ai, but two to three times. So something happened to them. And one of his hypotheses, which is very interesting, is a concept called nuclear machining. So he’s he actually this is not a new idea. It’s not something we figured out how to do as a civilization yet.
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We’re on that path that you can if you take his theory as something like palladium or another, like, radioactive material that is a strong alpha or beta particle emitter that you could put on a tool, it would ablate either in neutrons or it’s blasting electrons or something.
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It would it would ablate the stone surface away in such a way that would you could carve this stone with ai, kinda like a lightsaber, basically. And and it would also leave a signature in the stone. And you Fuck. Yeah. And you take it back to that to that penetration rate of that spiral tube
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drill. Yeah.
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It’s not all we can say about things like that spiral tube drill and the other thing the other, striations and tool marks is, look. It’s not it doesn’t seem to be the same thing we do to the stone, and it’s certainly not primitive. It’s not something you can do just by hand.
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So
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Is anybody the cores? Has anybody tested the radioactive levels of the cores?
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I think he he I don’t know. He might have tested the cores when he was there recently. I’ll have I’ll talk to him. I was talking to him too this morning. I can ask him about the core. That’s a great question. Because that would it’s this if it was the process, it should show something similar, if that’s indeed the process. The look. The other possibility is okay.
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They weren’t machined with this method, but these were used in some method. The other the other theory he has that these may have been part of a process for enriching material for some other nuclear abuse, although a part of a system that that used nuclear material.
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They had advanced nuclear science somehow or another. That that’s just too much. It’s I mean, it’s not too much, but it’s too much. Ai, it’s too crazy.
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Yeah.
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Ai mean, it’s so crazy. But, also, like, when you do see some of the sculptures that look three d printed Mhmm. And you go, well, okay. Now, it kind of at least makes a little sense.
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Yeah.
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See, if we knew for sure that there was a cataclysm and a lost civilization, that civilization had achieved some immense heights of technological sophistication in a completely different pathway than we’ve done in modern times.
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Yeah.
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If we knew that for sure, then everything would be so easy. You’d go, okay. Well, clearly, they were doing something. What were they doing? But instead, we deny that possibility. So by closing off that door, now you’re left with nonsense. You’re left with sand and copper and
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Yeah.
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It’s dumb.
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I agree. I yeah. I agree. I I think it’s Just something fucking crazy happened. Yes. I I yes. There’s I think there is that this is I try to follow the evidence where it leads. That’s all we’re doing here with I mean, I’m quoting what Max has said about it with this nuclear machining hypothesis. And he’s just doing study needs to happen.
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But The
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nuclear machining ai, if sorry to interrupt you, but if you go a thousand years from now, for sure, we’re gonna have that.
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Yeah. That’s that’s yes. You I’d like to put that the same context in these arguments forward as well. It’s ai we just don’t to me, the answer is, you know, we we tend to look at the past and and it it always has to be the subset of what we know. Right? But it’s ai, if you look at the history of knowledge and technology, give us 50,000 fifty years, a thousand years, fifty thousand years.
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You know that there’s more out here to the sides that we’re gonna learn. Right. So that means there are realms of science and technology that we don’t know anything about. I think I think if we were a bit more open minded about investigating some of these mysteries of the past with some of these inexplicable characteristics, the precision or the machining, the engineering things, how we how the stone was cut, I think some of those answers could lay in those realms of the unknown.
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And by being open minded about them and by investigating them with all of our capability, we might even end up learning something about them, which is what we’re doing. Like, the the VaseScan project, we are learning the depths of precision in some of the machining aspects of it, and and Max is starting to learn, like, okay.
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There’s some weird, like, radioactive characteristics of these things. Let’s let’s let’s try and look at more and figure out some more. I mean, we can speculate a bit now, and I sana be clear this is all very speculative at this point. Lots more testing and data is required to to even shore up some of these theories about these possibilities, but the fact remains they could be they are possibilities.
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Right. And it’s also this assumption that there’s been a linear path a linear path of progression always. But that’s not that’s not even the case today. Right? You can go to ancient sites, whether it is in Mexico or even in Greece. And you see really shitty construction right next to the Parthenon.
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Yep.
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Right? I mean, the Acropolis and the Parthenon is right next to crappy apartment buildings. They’re really close. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That’s a decay. That’s sai you’ve you’ve obviously, you can’t do you’re not why didn’t you do that? Do that again. Like this Yeah. It’s huge. It’s it’s It’s something there’s something weird. There’s something weird going on. And this is like two thousand years ago where we knew who they were. We know the people.
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We know they did it ai amazing precision, amazing construction methods, incredible art
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Yep.
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Incredible engineering and architecture. Right? Yes. And all understandable, but yet more advanced than the techniques utilized in 2025 in the exact same area, which is weird. Right? Sai that just that’s without a cataclysm.
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Right. Well, meh, it’s it’s also it’s a nice criticism of modern architecture to be to be fair. Yeah. I mean, you get don’t even go back two thousand years. Just go back to, like, the Gothic era with the churches and the cathedrals. I mean, Jesus, why don’t we build ai anymore?
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Right. Right. Good point. But so you see a ai, at least in craftsmanship, that can be attributed to changing of cultures and but this assumption that there’s always this linear path of progression, and if you go back, they were dumb. You go back far enough, they were dumber.
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Yeah.
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But that doesn’t seem to be the case here. It’s And Egypt is the best example. It is. Like, explain that.
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Yeah. Dude, exactly. And it’s one of the biggest if if anyone it’s one of the biggest contradictions about Egypt. It’s exactly it’s the technological progression. I mean, you’re talking about a dynastic Egypt Egyptian civilization at least three thousand years. Right? So three thousand years.
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But if you look at it from a technological progression perspective, it’s almost like they went backwards the whole time. I mean, you have you have the emergence all of a sudden of this culture and language. Like, they’re gods. And one of the craziest things about ancient Egypt is this emergence of hieroglyphs. Just, boom, here it is.
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Here’s this ai this this complex, extremely complicated language, cultural system, gods, and everything pops out of nowhere. It’s pretty consistent. It evolves over time. It doesn’t really it doesn’t change that much. I mean, cuneiform in, Samaria, there’s there’s a clear progressive path where we can see it being developed. We don’t have that.
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That’s not the case for ancient Egypt. And then it’s all of the best stuff is the oldest. It’s the biggest stonework, the Valley Temple, the 2,500 tons of granite in the King’s Chamber structure that’s that’s in the Great Pyramid. The Great Pyramid itself, these things are amongst the very first pyramids ever said to have been built.
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Meh, progressively, as you go forward in time, I mean, they just they they get to mud brick pyramids. It’s almost like it’s you’re going backwards. And there’s just, you know, they’d technologically speaking, it doesn’t seem like they progress very far. So I think there’s another interpretation for that data, one that fits the evidence a little better, which is that I yeah. I think they got a a kick start.
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They got a head start. They inherited an awful lot of objects. We know for sure these precision objects were around before the ancient Egyptians. They don’t match even the cultures that predated them. We have no idea where they got them from. They I don’t think they made them.
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We don’t know how old they really are. And I think there’s a lot of other artifacts and architecture on these sites that they match these. Like, technologically speaking, there’s a link, the same tools, the same precision. We’re seeing that. Yet these are massive artifacts, sometimes like a thousand ton statue, that you can’t bury with you. It stays on this ai. It gets inherited. It gets renovated.
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It gets reused. Eventually, you get kings with hubris and arrogance, guys like Ramses the second that says, you know, carve my name three inches deep onto that sucker.
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Right.
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It’s gonna be me. I wanna be part of the gods. These are the you know, I wanna tie myself to the ancients. And the really crazy thing is that doesn’t often get admitted is that this is literally what the ancient Egyptians themselves said. They called themselves a legacy culture.
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01:24:21
They trace their own history back forty thousand years. They have a list of kings. They have a they they talk about these different eras of time. The Shemsu whore, the followers of Horus, was this twelve thousand year period where these mythical sai divine beings walked the earth.
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You can talk about kings and rulers and that. And then before that, you have Zep Tepi when the gods themselves walked the Earth, and they trace their own history way back, into those eras.
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That’s some stuff that I brought up with Zahi, and he was like, what is this? Here he is. He just he got very mad. It’s funny. Yeah. I’m, reading or I’m listening, to the book of Enoch right now.
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Okay. Yeah. That’s some bullshit too. Yeah.
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It’s so wild. Because you’re you’re going, what are you what are you saying? Like, gods, the watchers came down and and mated with women Mhmm. Of Earth and created a
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Nephilim or whatever.
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Yeah. The Nephilim. Like, what are you saying? Like, what what what what were you trying to say? Thousands of years ago when they wrote this down Yep. In, you know, and the version Ai think that we’re getting this from is, from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yeah. Ram Qumran. Mhmm. So how how long did they write it down before that? Like, how how long did they discuss this? How long ago did this happen? And what are you saying?
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Like, what what were they trying to record?
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Yeah. It’s
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I mean Why does it match up with what they’re saying in Egypt? The gods walking amongst us?
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Right. Yeah. It’s it’s it goes to some wild places. Squirrelly. I know.
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It gets so squirrelly. And that’s where you get into the alien camp.
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Well, that forty forty meter Tic Tac shaped metallic objects.
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Yeah. What is that thing?
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Well
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And what kind of metal?
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We don’t know.
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Imagine if it’s titanium?
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Could be. He said it didn’t match any signature that he’d seen before.
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That’s crazy in and of itself.
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It’s one of the things I’ll remember always about when you were sitting here talking to Bob Lazar, and he said that some of those craft came from archaeological digs. I mean Right. It’s a part of his story. There’s long been rumors of that type of stuff in, you know, in under the ground in Egypt.
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I don’t I’m not saying that’s what it is, but this is what yeah. This is what Tim said about it. That would
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be amazing.
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It would be.
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If there’s a UFO down there, all layers converge at a central corridor or avenue, like the atrium of shah mall, where you can see all floors from one vantage point. My personal interpretation is that this entire hall was constructed to house a centrally positioned freestanding object about 40 meters long. The central object is hard to classify.
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01:26:57
It appears metallic, not stone or wood. I named it Dippy after the giant diplodocus skeleton in the Hintze Hall Of London’s is that did I say that right?
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01:27:06
Yeah. Hintze, I think.
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Hintze Hall of London’s Vatsal History Musician, Museum. It could be anything. Its shape resembles those Tic Tac hard mints. It might also be an upright disc or even a colossal shah ring. And what is a shen ring?
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01:27:20
It’s like the cartouche. You know, that that thing around the cartouche.
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Oh, wow. Big object alone raises profound questions. How did it get there? Why is it there? A more speculative theory is that it’s some kind of portal. Oh, boy. Now we’re going we’re going full tinfoil. Either interdimensional or interstellar, a stargate. Its material signature is ai unlike anything I’ve seen in my entire career, but it’s there undeniably ai. I’ll let the future find out what Dippy is Tim Akers.
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Well, that’s he went full Arya Bell right there. He did. Interdimensional or interstellar a stargate.
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01:27:57
Hey. The Egyptians talk about stargates. Do they? Dude, go to, where is it? Dendera. There’s actually a couple places. The literal translation, you can read it on the walls. Sai always show people when we go there. It is there are two or three depictions of stargates. That is the literal translation for it, showing a constellation with a gate, and it’s a specific constellation a couple of different they’re all on different constellations.
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01:28:22
Where can
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I find it? Where can I see this?
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It’s there’s pictures of stargates from Bryden in Dendera Temple. I think it’s in the upper rooms. Yeah. It’s up where the zodiac so that’s actually the the Dendera is incredible. Like, it it is a it is a star oriented temple. There’s massive depictions of the zodiac. And this is all, you know, redone from older versions of the same temple, but that is the translation of the what’s on the wall with the constellation and the gate, and it it literally translates as stargate.
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01:28:49
That is part of it. So that that’s I mean, the ceiling is the zodiac. You well, you you even have depictions of, like, solar boats going up to the moon at Tendera. Randall loves that temple. He I have sent him a lot of footage from that temple. No. It’s it’s, it’s actually I don’t know. There’s a you’d have to look up the meh yeah.
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Just just Stargate Glyph, maybe, at Dendera. Yeah. Glyph. Ai tell you if you see it. No. I don’t see the exact one.
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But it’s not I mean, it it’s literally a cluster of stars that represents a constellation going a gateway behind it.
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This is killing me. Who knows?
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I know I I probably have it on my hard drive.
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Do you have it with you? It’s in
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I mean, on my laptop. If you wanna see it out yes.
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Yeah. Your ai out there? Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Go grab it. We’ll pause.
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You sure? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Alright.
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Not on what you gave meh. Not on what you gave me. It’s not on that one. I didn’t think we’d get into the Stargate.
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Oh, you got it.
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I’m gonna try and find it. I Alright.
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Alright. We’ll be right back, folks. Okay. So we found it from a video from, Trevor Grassi on YouTube. The video is titled hieroglyphic proof of Stargate Technology with, Mohammed Ibrahim, Ai, Rick. Ricksecker. Ricksecker Ricksecker and Trevor Grassi. So this is what we’re looking at.
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Sai you ai, it’s like there’s a a glyph. There’s you can see the shah, and there’s a gate. Actually, try and find one of the other pictures maybe. There’s an
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The star is the circle. That’s what the star is supposed to be?
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Yeah. The the the star on the right. No. No. On the Oh, the far right. Yeah. There’s a hieroglyph. Sai, again, meh, stargate. It’s the you see the gate and then the the star, and then I assume that that crooked, hook or whatever is is part of this as well.
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Oh, I see. So it’s what how the way you translate the hieroglyph.
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Yes. Yes. And that’s Ai Ibrahim, who I know quite well as well, he’s he’s very good at translating these, these glyphs. We we when I travel in Egypt, we usually go with professor Mohammad Jabra, who’s one of, I would say, top four or five in the world for reading hieroglyphs.
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He can just read whatever’s on the wall and tell you about it. He travels with us on these tours. It’s phenomenal. He just shows us this. There’s probably some better, pictures of ones with the actual constellations up at Dendera if they get into. Yeah.
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But that one where ai was standing next to each other, go back a little. Where where is it? No. Back a little. Meh. Yeah.
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Sai see, this is the one I’m talking about. You see the stars? The the stars above the ai? So it’s there’s literally different these these and with the words, they do they relate to specific, constellations. This is in the the top, the, what’s the zodiac room at, at Dendera where they they have a replica of the circular zodiac on the ceiling.
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The the French have the original, but this this is original hieroglyphs, and it is the translation of this is literally Stargate for these constellations. So That
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say what it is. Bananas. And what are these constellations supposed to be?
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I don’t know, off the top of my head. We do tell people when we when we, get into it. Ai there is yeah. I could find out, but I don’t know off the top of my head. I’m sorry.
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Click that. With that one that you just had there, Jamie. No. No. No. No. Where you just vatsal yeah. Right there. So
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Yeah. More gates. They’re same similar again, the ai with the crooked hook and the shah Yeah. The stargate.
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That’s bananas. Yeah. Yeah. So when they’re referring to a stargate, are they saying in any way what it what that means?
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No. No. It’s it’s I mean, they would I mean, most of the the the interpretations these days would tell you that it’s always symbolic. I mean, they do look at, like, the the, like, Osiris and the the, you know, the the the constellations in the sky as being connected to the duat or, to to Nut, ai, this this the duat being the the space and Nut, the goddess, who is the ai, and, you you know, it’s all part of that passage from the of the soul going into the realms of the mortal of the immortal that happens after death.
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So this is the, you know, the symbolic interpretation that we that we that we give it all. We say, oh, this is none of this. It’s it sort of falls into this category a little bit of, like, everything is symbolic, everything is ceremonial, nothing is functional. Ai, you know, I Ai I’m fascinated by these temples because it goes back to something you were saying earlier.
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And I I use this analogy to kinda set the stage for it. Imagine again, imagine if younger drives ai to us tomorrow, whatever. I hope touch wood doesn’t. But sai it wipes out civilization, but we survive as humans. Within what?
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Two, three generations, we’re sitting around campfires telling stories about fucking these these things that were like a black rock, and it’s just and you you you know, it’s like all plasma TVs, but you say, look, if you get this shiny black rock, you know, you can get answers from the ancestors.
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You you will know everything. You can talk to anything. You can see anything.
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You can ask it questions.
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You can ask it questions. And maybe you go and you start getting black rocks and making them like this, and you start dancing around the fire. You start ritualizing this this memory of technology. Now Right. If you take that concept, like, say there’s a cataclysm, and now there’s people that meh, and they tell these stories. The stories get passed down.
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Now imagine there’s a civilization that comes up, and it’s and it goes through thousands of years of, structuring those legends and stories of technology. They go through just distortions and representations and symbolism, but it’s it’s just twisting all of these stories into this iconography and this complex symbolism that we then I think we go to a temple in Egypt that was made in the Ptolemaic era or whatever, and it’s you see things on the wall.
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Ai I think there’s a great way to interpret some of those symbols and some of the paintings to say that, well, is this actually an echo of something that was functional or or is an echo of of technology? Like, every staff that you see has a tuning fork on the bottom of it. Every single one on these walls has always got a tuning fork on it.
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What’s that what’s that all about?
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A tuning fork.
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Tuning fork. Like a little little like a tuning fork. Yeah. All of the staffs with the wass head that means power. Like, it literally the interpretation of this symbol is power on top of the staff, and every single one of them has a tuning fork on the spot.
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Can we
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see an
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image of that?
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Yeah. And you can look up, any of the temples in Egypt and and, like, the depictions of gods with staffs that and they’re and they’re touching or they’re giving, like, the the the, the djed pillar or the, you know, the the ankh, which is djed pillar stability. The ankh is ai. The was is power. So in a lot of cases, these gods are granting kings, you know, life, stability, and power, ai just life and power.
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But,
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What are those depictions of these enormous, cylindrical things that they’re holding that look almost like one of those
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Like a transformer?
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Clubs. Yeah.
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Like that one there? That’s the that’s the like the Meh pillar here?
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Yeah. What the hell is that?
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That’s a great, image. That that literally is, the symbol for, stability.
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And That thing down is what I was talking about.
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Oh, the, the the the quote ai light bulbs. Yes. At Dendera Temple. And see, there’s a djed pillar there too with the hands, so the djed pillar is is stabilizing it with its hands. Right. And you’re on a boat. You’re actually part of this is on a boat.
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It looks like some kind of technology.
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So you know what’s crazy about this? Saloni, again, we get down into this. This is in a, in a crypt at Dendera. You have to, like, crawl through a hole and get it’s ai an inside wall. It’s amazing because the Christians and the they couldn’t they didn’t get into the crypt, so they couldn’t deface the glyphs. Like, a lot of the glyphs are deface.
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Look at that guy. He looks like an air traffic controller.
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Oh, he’s like a reptilian too. He’s like a frog dude with, knives.
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Yeah. What is that, dude? With his tail? Does he have a fucking tail?
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01:36:30
Yeah. He does.
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He does look like a he was like a giant frog meh.
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Yeah. Wow. So what’s crazy about that, there is a whole story about this that is written on the walls. And, again, this is thanks to my friend Yousef, Ewan, who I who I guide with and then, you know, professor Jabra, who can interpret this. And we actually, I’m gonna do a video about this soon because what he is saying about this crypt is that there was it it tells you on the wall that there was a physical version of that thing in that crypt.
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That was he said it was made from mostly gold, and it was the span of, like, a dude with his arms out, ai, a the span of a human wingspan, basically.
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I found I was stumbling across something. They called it Electrum. There was these two, there was a The meh? These 3.3 ton, obelisk that meh made out
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of a metal called electron Electrum.
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Like, gold
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and something else. Silver. Yep. Yeah. Electrum’s golden. So they definitely used gold and silver. A lot of the obelisks had electron Which is Ai think.
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Great for conductivity.
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Oh, it’s fantastic. Yeah. I mean, that’s just really the
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only good reason to have it other than looking good.
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Right. Yeah.
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Other than balling.
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That yeah. Other than balling. Which they were balling.
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Which is
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gonna be a
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little bit of a
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sidetrack, but when you’re talking about the nuclear stuff, I found these stories of, the Oklo Ai in Gabon, which is a nuclear natural nuclear Reactor? Reactor.
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01:37:47
Wow. Woah. That is very old.
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4,000,000,000 years old and a 100,000 work oldest nuclear reactor in
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history. The uranium from it.
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Oh, okay. It’s in it’s enriching uranium.
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Yeah. It’s probably TROLL enriched uranium.
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Yeah. Imagine if it’s Woah.
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It’s in Africa, so I don’t know if that was the only place they’ve ever found.
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That makes sense. Right? And then In Africa. Is there something like that in, Afghanistan where this stone came from?
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Oh, the the lapis lazuli and everything else. I I don’t know. I mean, I I assume that I Sai would be I wouldn’t be surprised if that sort of thing is happening somewhere in the in the massive uranium in Australia either because that’s, like, one of the world’s biggest, uranium deposits.
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I imagine if it’s enough mass of you Ai think it’s uranium two three eight, and they’re trying to get no. Two three five to get to two three eight or the other way around. But if there’s enough mass and neutrons hitting each other, it might be enriching it somehow. I think that’s probably what’s happening there. I’m no nuclear scientist, so Ai. Say the wrong thing.
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Let’s go back to those, hieroglyphs, Jamie. Yeah. The the lizard guy, the frog guy, whatever that reptilian thing is Mhmm. That freaks me out.
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Ai, yeah. It’s the stuff of nightmares at times. It’s it’s kinda weird.
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Because that’s, you know, one of the things that the weirdest when the when the the weirdest story is when they start talking about aliens is the the different types that visit. Right. And that one of them is a reptilian species that are the the most creepy to deal with, which makes sense.
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Heard the same thing. It would be. Yeah. I mean, that reptilian reptiles
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on Earth
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Like chickens are assholes. Right.
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They are. And so are Komodo dragons. And the idea that somehow or another, they could eventually reach incredible levels of technological sophistication and intelligence. We ai rule that out, but look, there’s there’s clearly primates that are way dumber than us. Right?
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Oh, for sure.
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So ai do we assume that it’s only primates that reach an incredible high level of sophistication when we know that crows, which are really fucking close to ai,
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crows Super smart.
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Super smart. Like ai, smarter than most kids.
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Yeah. Problem solving ai.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s I you can’t yeah. I don’t think you can you can’t put a a a a restrictor on what evolution might produce.
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Not at all. In any of these things. Especially when intelligence is being exhibited by
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Yeah.
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Things that are really close evolutionarily to reptiles.
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Yes. Yeah. And that would just be, you get to that, like, just lack of empathy, just that reptilian ai. It’s just aggression and, like, everything that’s not us is the enemy kind of That’s
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the mind ai. It’s smart dinosaurs.
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Oh, yeah.
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That’s Ai meh, that was in Jurassic Park. Right? The raptors, they’re smart. Yeah. They’re smart, which, you know, makes sense.
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Yeah. It’s that whole pack yeah. The instinct.
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But the idea that there’s that we were visited by intelligent reptiles is fucking bananas.
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Yeah. I put look. Yeah. With the aliens, I don’t often address it. I I I but I put it firmly in the realm of of, like, possible. Like, it’s just I don’t I think when you you look at the vastness of space and the length of time, the fact that we’ve you know, we’re just we’re just this crazy you could there could have massive civilizations galactically could have risen and fallen a million years ago, and we just weren’t part of it.
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And that’s literally a blink of the eye in these in those sort of time frames. We just it’s it’s not surprising this the Fermi Paradox. Right? Like, how come we haven’t got, like, firm proof or anything, even though people will say we have. But it’s ai, meh. There’s it’s it’s the length of time.
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Like, we can rise and fall that span of a million years. There’s just nothing on those ai, and, you know, you can civil whole species can rise to massive prominence and then just be nothing but dust at the end of that period of time. And you gotta try and do that across, what, fourteen billion years, and even that’s in question now because the James Webb Telescope seeing stuff that’s supposedly way older than that now.
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Right. I mean, we’ll see. We’re gonna find out, ai, this three I Vatsal thing.
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Yeah. What is that thing?
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Super weird. Right?
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Well, Avi Loeb is convinced that it’s a UFO. Alright. But that’s what he does. Yeah. Right? That’s his that’s He did with that that other one, Oumuamua
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or Oumuamua.
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Oumuamua. Yeah. So sai that one was a little odd.
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That was weird. So not it wasn’t the weirdest thing about Oumuamua seems to be its its its path when it took after it turned around the sun and accelerated. Like, that was the, you know, standard model of physics said it shouldn’t have done that, and it seems to have exhibited sort of motion that was not what we predicted it would do.
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That’s But sai much as we can acceleration? It accelerated. It was noticeable?
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Yeah. It accelerated. But, like, to a factor of what?
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Well, not that. I think it was only a few percent, but it was not what should have happened according to the calculations that astronomers and the, I guess, the orbital dynamics people had done. That’s what I understand was the most obviously, its shape and ai, it was tumbling.
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About its reflective properties as well. Right?
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Well, it’s yeah. I mean, just because it was so long and narrow and it was tumbling, that’s what caused it to we would catch, like, the long side of it, which the brightness would increase. So we had this oscillating brightness on it, and then it just it passed through the system.
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And it’s, you know, it’s going, whatever, 87 kilometers per second or whatever it was, huge velocity, enough to escape the, you know, the gravity of the sana, but it it accelerated where just what I understand it did. It accelerated where it shouldn’t have. Then there was another interstellar artifact that came in that was pretty much a comet. It behaved like a comet. It had a tail.
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It was off gassing water. It’s just an interstellar ball of rock and ice is what they say that was. It didn’t get a lot of attention. Now this three I Ai thing is much larger. It’s traveling much faster, apparently, than the previous two, but it’s also not behaving like a comet.
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It has this aura of light that it’s emitting around it for some reason. It I saw a report that said it it they’re almost seeing a metallic, like, smelting signatures off it. I I don’t know how much credence I can give it, but we’ll find out. Like, it has a it it has a it’s going too fast to stop in our system unless it dramatically, alters its velocity.
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01:43:32
But it’s it’s I mean, it’ll it’ll pop out. We’ll we’ll lose it on the other side of the sun, but then we should see it again on the way out. So we’ll know ai way or the other if it actually is gonna if it if it changes behavior. I mean, once he put it, Avi even Avi Loeb put it, like, forty, sixty or something artificial to natural. But Really? Dude, even I’m it’s so funny.
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Ai I’m into Warhammer 40 k in a big way, and it’s just ai, I’m like, okay. We’re gonna be joining the Imperium here soon, boys. All all haly on the sire. That thing might be a mechanic’s vessel. I don’t know.
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If if that’s how they travel, I’d be very disappointed. They just shoot through the sky. It takes months.
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But if it slows down I know.
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But I’m I’m looking for portals. I’m looking for Ai mean, an advanced civilization that visits us. I don’t want the advanced vikings.
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Right.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I want the advanced ai from the twenty first century.
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The portal.
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Yeah. Ai just I I you know what I’m saying? Ai meh, the ones who come fast on a a burning spaceship, they’re the dangerous ones. Because they’re probably You’re
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probably right.
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Yeah. They’re probably the war ai conquerors, the ones who are gonna rob us of our minerals and force us into slavery. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That seems like if that’s how you’re rocking it, you’re still doing it the way we do it, where you have something thrusting you insanely fast through the the cosmos.
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01:44:45
Yeah. I get it. Yeah. Are you do you know that, like, the whole dark forest, thing? Like, the the the dark forest theory
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No. What’s that?
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About so it’s this came out of, it was The Three Body Problem. Great series of books by Chinese author, Took got to know
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01:45:00
Amazing Netflix show.
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01:45:01
A great show. The books are phenomenal too. And it’s just, but it’s it’s this idea that, look, we shouldn’t be making noise. It’s it’s like imagine you’re a hunter in a dark forest. So it’s just you’re out there. You know there might be other things out there. And it’s it’s this it’s this, like, a philosophical engagement of, like, what do you what should you do?
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01:45:18
Should you start light a fire and make a whole bunch of noise in the dark forest that’s full of you know it’s full of predators. You don’t know where they are. They don’t know where you are. What’s your behave? What should you do? Should you see another predator? What should should you be friendly?
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01:45:32
What’s the risk to you to do it? And these could be, ai, you could be there with a with a bar and arrow. This guy could have a a tank. This other guy could have a, like, a mass some other energy weapon, whatever. You you you don’t there’s massive differences in capability and scale.
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01:45:44
And pretty much every scenario works out to, like, the what you should do is just be ai, and if you see something, you should eliminate the threat. That’s kind of the the way it goes in in the dark dark forest. It’s ai, it’s too risky to reveal yourself. You should just you should basically eliminate that threat if you can do so safely. Mhmm.
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01:46:05
And you apply that to kind of the galaxy sana where I mean, in to some extent, I ai like we’re the equivalent of, like, a baby in a cot that’s screaming around a roaring fire because we and there’s, you know, leopards out there.
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Right.
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And, you know, because we’re just, like, sending these signals out into space for a hundred something years now. Well, it’s And we just hope, ai. We’re friendly, please.
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Well, you have to hope that something is so evolved that it’s gotten past war, and it’s gotten past the way we behave. And we so we’re hoping and assuming that Speak Daddy Space Brothers. Yeah. That Space Daddy, Space Brothers will be benevolent and wise beyond our imagination, and that they will come here and wanna take care of us and give us information and hook us up.
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I I I Ai that’s my I had this discussion. Ai I’ve had this discussion a few times, and my response to a lot of that is, well, we can take nature. What happens when we take let’s look at the apex predator, whether it’s in the sea, in the air, or on the land. Apex predators don’t tolerate competition.
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01:47:03
They they don’t suffer any attacks. They don’t I mean, we don’t treat we don’t we just we just dominate. Like, you just you if it’s in your way, it’s inconvenient, you kill it. If it has if it has something you want, we take it. If those bees have honey, we take it. Like, it’s just Yeah. There’s no we’re not, like, helping them. You know?
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We’re not
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we’re not, like, trying to teach the dolphins how to talk. Like, there’s still parts of the world where we’re just eating them. You know? Like, there’s I don’t know. It’s it’s nature suggests that that that apex predator, but maybe maybe we’re just I think this is the other element that you’re saying is maybe you evolution leads you past those primal nature at some point.
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The territorial primate instincts that we exhibit. Like, hopefully, one day. Because, clearly, we’re on a pathway to that. Right. We’re clearly much kinder now Meh. At least locally, you know, if you don’t live in Gaza.
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You know what
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I’m saying? Like, you know what
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I’m saying?
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Like, if you’re in the middle of war zone, you’re like, what are you talking about? This is as bad as it’s ever been all throughout human history. It’s the same behavior exhibited over and over and over again. Yeah. What we want is aliens that are a million years more advanced.
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We don’t want aliens that are a thousand years more advanced.
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Got it.
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Because they might be just like us, but way better. Yeah. Just just sai at the time. Ai. Because as soon as we start going into the we venture into the cosmos in twenty years, we’re gonna be the same animal. Right? Right. We’re not gonna be significantly different unless we integrate with technology and remove the ego and And emotions. Yeah. Mushrooms.
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Well, ai to stop it. Maybe mushrooms help us get that.
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01:48:31
Emotions, but the the all the things, the human reward systems that exist that we, you know, that we currently struggle with. We would we would be the same way. If we, just think of what we justify on Earth in terms of destruction of habitat, of native species, animals that we kill, all the different things that we do on Earth, factory farming.
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Now imagine, why would we care about these lizard people that live, you know, in caves on some fucking stupid planet? You know, we would probably kidnap them. We’d kill them. We’d pickle them. We’d bring them back home, we’d freeze them.
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Got gold in them caves? What do you got? Right.
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Look at what Columbus did when they, you know, arrived Yeah. And took the natives and had them get gold. And if they didn’t, they cut their arms off. Yeah. Horrific, terrifying things. So imagine there’s no evidence that aliens are currently doing that, which is the promising thing.
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Right.
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Right? The even the abductions, although I’m sure they’re terrifying if they’re true, they seem rather benign. Like, in fact, in the Travis Walton case, do you know that that one? It’s one of the most famous ones?
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Not off the top of my head.
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01:49:41
Real simple, nineteen seventies, he’s a logger. He’s working with a a group of guys. They see a a ship. He runs toward it. He gets hit with a beam of energy, gets knocked back unconscious. His friends flee. They come back. They they’re they’re yelling at each other. We gotta go back.
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We gotta we got them. They go back. He’s gone. All four of them get investigated for murder. They tell the story. No one believes them.
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They all pass polygraph ai. Five days later, he shows up. He finds a ai, makes a phone call, and has this fucking insane story. Yeah. But the
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story
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the story was that they took him aboard the craft and healed him and communicated with him
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Mhmm.
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And that there was a bunch of different types of these beings. And then, he has been telling the exact same story ever since
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Ever since.
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The nineteen seventies. So but Yeah. Relatively benign compared to what we would do.
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For sure. You know,
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like, we fucking you know, we shoot elephants.
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01:50:35
It turns into Avatar. Yeah.
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Yeah. Think about the the horrible things that we do right now on Earth.
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01:50:40
No. I agree. Yeah. And it’s it’s something that I always say there’s a great quote from Christopher Hitchens, which is, you know, we’re just not the end of that evolutionary chain. You know, we’re just our our current our current the current version of humanity, the our frontal lobes are too big. Our adrenaline oh, sorry.
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01:50:56
Our frontal lobes are too small. Our adrenaline glands are too big. Our thumb, forefinger opposition isn’t isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
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01:51:01
And we love violence.
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We love violence.
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We love violence. Our national support is dudes who are enormous running at each other
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at full speed. True.
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And the other one is ai punching each other. Yep. I mean, it’s kind of It’s kind of Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of crazy. We’re we’re so and then we’re also involved in multiple wars ai, at least Yeah. Proxy.
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01:51:23
Yeah. Proxy wars. It’s And at
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least human beings are involved in a significant amount of war always.
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01:51:29
Yeah. It’s never it’s this is literally the status quo throughout history. I mean, it’s just Right. We’ve always been at war with each other. I mean, I will I I still do. I may personally maintain the the idea that it is vatsal the best time to be alive
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01:51:43
100%.
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Technologically speaking. But also, I mean, obviously, we’re much more aware of conflict around the world. But on a percentage scale of what it’s been like in the past, it it’s actually far less than it has been. Like, even though it’s terrible when it happens, but Yes. You know, we’re in an era where there’s actually less of that going on, and, hopefully, that can continue.
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I actually genuinely think that it’s one of the reasons why this whole investigation into the past is important to me. Like, I don’t it’s not I haven’t really talked about it in videos or put it down. It’s gonna be it’s part of the book I’m writing for sure. It’s a big part because I it’s it’s not just some benign investigation into the past.
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01:52:19
I genuinely think it could have a significant impact on our future because it it that Ai that concept you talked about it of of, like, this linear progression. Right? I mean, in general, we get taught in school, okay. We were stone age dudes. We’re in caves. Civilization happened. And then we have many thousands of years later.
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01:52:36
Here we are. This is the only it’s ai this is the only way that an advanced civilization can happen is is on this path. Don’t worry about it. It’s almost like it’s preordained. Just worry about next election cycle, next quarterly result, whatever. Right? Then and we just don’t think about it.
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01:52:51
I do this is this concept I call it. It’s I think it’s a fundamental pillar of what it means to be a human being today. It’s it’s in everybody’s mind to some degree. Like, ai. Stone age us. We’re advanced. This is the only way it happens.
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01:53:01
I do think that if you can change that at that fundamental level to this cyclical version that is an oscillation between civilization and cataclysm, and this idea that, okay, we’ve actually risen in the past. We’ve become relatively high technology. We’ve become ai. And and it it happened. It would have been different to us, but it it we fell. We fell again.
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01:53:23
And we’re we’re somewhere on this oscillation and this circular motion between civilization and cataclysm. And on a long enough ai scale, we know it’s gonna happen again. Yes. Ai? And if you can change that, if you could change that fundamental concept in people, like, that’s what we teach people in schools. Okay. So we we’re we’re rising again.
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01:53:41
We’re we’re at this crazy point in time when our technology is super advanced. We can solve some of these problems, but we know on this ai scale, if we don’t do something about it, we might end up like our ancestors did. I genuinely think that stands a chance of, like, changing some of our behavior and and some of our, like, a little less money on tanks and guns, a little bit more money on space exploration, make solving the longer term problems a bit more a priority.
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And I it’s altruistic, and it’s ambi it’s like a crazy goal. It’s it’s I it’s I know it’s altruistic as all hell, but it’s just, I think there’s precedent for it too, though. I mean, whether you agree with it or not, the I mean, it doesn’t matter. But the fact is that the term climate change has changed our behavior over the last twenty five years. Right?
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01:54:26
It’s changed if you think about what’s happened with that concept and that movement, it changes investment decisions. It changes our interactions with each other, with the planet. You know, it it’s changed our behavior in the way we think about stuff. It’s this it’s like this this this has crept into our zeitgeist as a species, and it’s changed our behavior.
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So I look at some of this stuff in the past as it’s not just being some harmless investigation into things. I think it it actually getting to the the root cause of what’s happened in the past actually could help us in our future. I think it’s an important that’s what drives, I think, my interest in it in a lot of ways too.
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It’s another piece of an example, another example rather of how primitive we are that we still we’re the actual climate is political. Yeah. That’s bananas.
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01:55:08
Oh, yeah.
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Pollution is political.
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Yes. Well, wait. I mean, if you disagree I mean, I always find it crazy that if you even question any of some of the, like, official narrative about this stuff, the first thing you’ve gotta do is make sure you decry and say, no. No. No. Pollution bad. Pollution bad. Yeah. Just because I think that some of the science might be off. I’m not saying, ai, let’s pollute the oceans. Like, no. No.
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Let’s be stewards.
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01:55:29
Yeah. Yeah. But it’s also the amount of time that we’ve polluted the oceans in is spectacular. Mhmm. What we’ve done just in terms of the depopulation of the ocean Oh,
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01:55:40
yeah.
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That’s nuts. Like, 90 plus percent of all big fish are gone
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01:55:45
Yeah.
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In a short amount of ai. Like, a couple hundred years of, like, hardcore fishing.
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01:55:51
Yeah. And we
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all nuts. We fished out the ocean, man.
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01:55:54
Just about. That’s nuts.
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Not only that, we pollute the fuck out of it to the point where you’re not even supposed to eat it every day.
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01:55:59
Right. Which is That’s more of a pity.
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01:56:01
Crazy.
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Oh, I agree.
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01:56:03
Yeah. That’s crazy. If you eat sushi every day, people don’t recommend it.
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01:56:07
In front of beer bottles On the Marriott. Bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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01:56:10
What? Ai. That’s crazy.
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01:56:13
Man. Yep.
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01:56:14
That’s how
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01:56:15
feet down.
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That’s how gross we are. Somebody was over there and they chucked one overboard. Yeah.
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01:56:19
It looks like ai it’s like hiding.
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01:56:20
It looks pretty recent. Right? It’s got the fucking label on it. Yeah. Right? The label hasn’t even bryden.
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01:56:26
The challenge are deep.
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If it’s that recent, like, why isn’t it covered in sediment? You know what I mean?
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01:56:31
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. The the surface covers things up and moves over time. It probably won’t be there forever. It probably won’t be sitting on the surface like that.
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Still floating around. I don’t think it’s Oh, wow. Maybe.
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01:56:42
Meh, right. Right. Right.
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Still moving around down there. Somehow, it’s wow. It should sink, I would imagine. I mean
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01:56:49
Unless there’s some sort of a downward or upward current. Yeah. Scientists find beer bottle the deepest point of the ocean. That’s over there.
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01:56:55
6.7 ai, 35,000 feet below the surface. That is
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01:56:58
How does it not implode, but that sub does?
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01:57:01
Well, you have no air.
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Yeah. Okay. There you go.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. Wouldn’t last long if there’s a cap on it. That’s for sure. But yeah. Yeah. I don’t wanna go down there. Ai like
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01:57:09
Fuck all that. Yeah. Yeah. Ai rather watch a video. Not only that, they were watching a video. That’s what’s even crazier.
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01:57:16
Yeah. You go
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all the way down and you’re watching a screen.
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01:57:18
Yeah.
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It’s not like there’s a wind you can’t have a fucking window.
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01:57:21
No. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Ai, one little or just if there’s one just giant thick thing at the front, you kinda like
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01:57:27
Imagine the freak out of being at the bottom. Mhmm.
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01:57:30
James Cameron knows. I mean, he goes down that. Yeah. Not Not for me.
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01:57:34
He went there by himself.
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01:57:35
I know he did. It’s crazy in that yeah. In that he did it ai, but
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I guess if you’re gonna do it. Yeah. You’re right. Why is he doing that?
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01:57:44
On four feet of titanium around me, ai, in a sphere.
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01:57:47
Yeah. We need you to make movies.
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01:57:48
Maybe not a carbon fiber tube.
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01:57:50
Yeah. Yeah. Well, especially not one that the engineer said wasn’t really designed for those depths.
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01:57:55
Yeah. That cracked do you ever watch that documentary? It’s dude, they’re putting that thing and they do the scale model, and they’re testing it under pressure, and they’re all standing around in the room and just goes bang. Like, it’s just it’s and every test they did, it went bang and blew.
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And they’re, like, they
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did fine. ai successful trips with that.
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01:58:12
Oh, they did a bunch. Yeah. And it was and it well, even the scariest part is, like, when you’re in the footage with it and you can hear it popping. Like, it’s it’s it’s literally the carbon fiber Oh. Strands snapping. Oh, it’s terrible. It’s terrifying.
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Imagine being one of those people that successfully made that journey and and then the nightmares that you have every day Oh.
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01:58:34
Like the one right before?
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Missed it. You bare yeah. The one right before. Barely missed getting instantaneously destroyed. Yeah. I’m sure you’ve seen the animation, the the computer recreation of what it would look like. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. You turned the blood cells.
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01:58:50
Yeah. Just splatter. Yeah. You wouldn’t even it said that it happens faster than the time it would take for you to even register that it hap like, for your senses to register in your brain that it happened. It it’s over. The pressure.
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The pressure. Yeah.
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Ai mean, just the fact
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that we’re that weird that we choose to do that, that we have technology, and we’re like, let’s see. I’m here. Let’s go.
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01:59:12
Yeah. Oh, and these are so funny the way they skirted the I mean, you he he signed everyone up as, like, basically expedition team members. They were that’s how they got around. I’m not selling seats for this. Ai, they’re invest they’re they’re coming on. They all had a technical role supposedly, and then it was like, I’m not it was getting around the regulations and the safety regulations.
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01:59:29
But, yeah, no interest in that sort of pressure. Sai mean, I dive, but
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Dax. Not like that. Diving is swimming. Cool. Pretty much. It’s just ai hardcore swimming.
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Regulation of the implosion is crazy.
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01:59:42
Yeah. I haven’t seen this.
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It said that it would’ve happened in twenty milliseconds, and it takes, like, a 150 for your brain to feel pain.
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That’s yeah. That’s yeah. No. Thank you. I Oh, god.
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02:00:00
Oh ai god. This why does this freak me out so much? Look, it’s because a guy went on with his son.
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Yeah. It’s it’s a terrible story. I mean, it’s just Why?
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Ai wish I was friends with that guy.
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02:00:13
Ai be like, dude. Yeah. No. It’s not the place I’d sana explore. Like, there is some stuff off Cuba. They say that’s they reckon pyramids. It’s kilometers deep in the ocean.
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Ai seen that. I’ve seen well, I’ve seen Internet videos on it
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02:00:25
on those imaging. Yeah. But I did die. We were in Alexandria. I dived on the the lighthouse. So there’s, and actually, there was a news article just the other day about the the the Egyptians were pulling, like, more stuff out of the water there at Heraklion and at the the Lighthouse Of Alexandria.
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02:00:39
Quite an interesting story. And we were in Alexandria, ai the Mediterranean on the Egyptian ai. And, I mean, it’s it’s amazing. There’s megalith massive columns and massive megalithic blocks in the water from when that, the ai, it fell down or it collapsed. There was there was an earthquake.
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02:00:55
And so you’re actually you’re in the water, but you’re diving over, like, megalithic blocks ai these and huge columns. And it and it’s it has a history that stretches back too. Right? It’s, the the megalithic stuff is what’s associated with the very earliest periods of building.
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02:01:12
All the stuff that happened later is typically not that big. But, yeah, this is actually
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02:01:16
what’s nuts. That’s what’s nuts is that this the older you go, the bigger the stones are.
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02:01:22
Well, and it’s what’s funny is when we looked into the erosion at places like the Giza Plateau, you it’s it you have two or three feet. It’s not on the sphinx. Everybody knows about the sphinx enclosure erosion. But you look at place like the the the Pyramid Temple, of the Middle Pyramid, there’s some of the blocks on the Great Pyramid, the casing stones that are there that we can see now that they’ve taken the boat museum away.
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02:01:44
And up and down the causeway, there is there is limestone blocks with up to two feet of erosion. Like, it’s these waves. I think I have a, have a directory on that on that, drive with, the erosion on it. And it’s you have you have to juxtapose that against all the other stuff they say is fourth dynasty. Right?
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02:02:03
So right next to the Valley Temple, there is another structure that’s built from small limestone blocks. Doesn’t have any erosion, not like the Valley Temple does. The Western Cemetery that’s behind the Great Pyramid is beautifully made. It’s smaller limestone blocks. It’s apparently older. So, yeah, here’s a good example.
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02:02:21
This is the mortuary or the Pyramid Temple. So these were you can see where the face of that block originally was, but it’s been eroded in, like, up to two feet in places. There’s huge amounts of erosion, that you can find in a lot of places at the Giza Plateau. Meh, at the same time, you have what is said to be contemporary structures, said to build have been built roughly in the same time.
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02:02:42
Sometimes they say they’re even older, that have just no erosion at all made from the same saloni, made by this allegedly ai the same people.
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02:02:51
And And what force do they attribute that erosion to?
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02:02:53
Well, it’s got it’s wind and sand. Right? It’s that’s what they will say. Look. This is just regular weathering. And here’s the crazy thing about these structures. They’re ai, this was also cased in granite. These are the inside blocks. So this this structure was fully cased in, like, four feet thick granite blocks.
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02:03:08
And that was excuse me. That was stolen and quarried?
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02:03:10
That had taken, but it would have protected this stone from erosion for however many thousands of years. You find it there’s another picture in here of, like, the, that’s that’s sai there. Like, see this is this is said to like, that picture I just showed with the heavy erosion, that’s where the arrow is at the Pyramid Temple. No. No.
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02:03:27
Back to the back to that one. Yep. So that deep erosions at that Pyramid Temple Mhmm. This one wall to the right, they say this is older than that. And that this has never been cased in granite. That other stuff was cased in granite. It’s megalithic. You there’s a block in that complex.
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02:03:42
It’s 450 tons, and it was cased in granite. Now there’s been studies. Right? So we know how long it takes to wear the limestone. There’s been a bunch of studies. The US the the government departments have studied it.
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02:03:57
They put limestone blocks on the top of the a building in Washington, DC, and a government department studied it over eleven years. There’s endless, cemeteries with conveniently carved and dated limestone pieces in the form of headstones that you can measure. So you can go, okay.
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02:04:12
This was carved in whatever year this guy died, and as you can measure it and and over ai, get a sense for, like, what’s it take with rain, with wind. We’ve done studies of, like, alright. We put these blocks in a river, and we and we let it wash over like a very highly erosive environment where we’ve got running water running over the stone and how how long it takes to erode.
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02:04:32
For some of the erosion that you can if you reference those studies for this type of hard limestone, to get two feet of erosive wear on those blocks just with regular ai, weathering, and this is this is in places that have a lot more rainfall than Giza, you’re talking dates from, like, ’60 to a hundred and twenty two thousand years to get that much erosion on it.
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02:04:54
I mean and that’s and I think that’s in a more erosive environment than what the the desert is.
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02:04:59
What?
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02:05:01
So yeah. That that’s that’s the neck that’s it side by side. So you have, literally, they’ll tell you that thing on the right is older. This was built by Khufu. This is supposedly Kafra, his son. Wow. But it’s it’s completely different. So this is that tailored to industries thing as well, but they attribute all this to the same people. But you can base on this because it’s the same saloni.
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02:05:17
It’s at the same elevation level. It’s supposedly the same age. The differences is are in the construction. Like, it’s megalithic, and a lot of this stuff was encased in granite. This is the, Sphinx Temple down at the other end of the causeway. Same thing.
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02:05:31
So all the megalithic stuff that was encased in granite has severe erosion, yet there’s buildings all around it. And up and down the plateau, they sai, are built at the same time, yet it’s smaller blocks, it’s not as nice work, and it’s not eroded
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02:05:44
like that. Like And what’s the conventional explanation from that discrepancy?
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02:05:48
They just don’t address it. Like, I’ve not seen anyone well, I meh, because the argument’s always been the sphin like, the sphinx temple like, the sphinx enclosure. Right? Robert Shah, John Anthony West, they can’t he talked about the fact that you needed thousands of years of rainfall erosion to get those patterns on the walls.
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02:06:02
That’s where the discussion’s been focused. It’s not there was no comparison made. It was always like, well, this is this you know, the geologists and the experts say it’s wind and sand it it’s water erosion, but then you have the archaeologist and the Mark Landers saying, ai.
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02:06:16
It’s wind and sand wind and sand. But I think there’s a better argument to be made when you start to do comparative work like this. You go, alright. Hang on. Let’s take the Western Cemetery behind the Great Pyramid, sai supposedly built by Khufu, fourth dynasty. It’s at the same elevation level.
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02:06:31
It’s the same stone type as the mortuary or the pyramid temple of the Middle Pyramid Complex. So after Khufu. So if he built that, then his son Khafre built this one. How come this one, which was also cased in granite and this wasn’t, how come this is so much more eroded than this?
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02:06:47
There’s no it’s at the same elevation level. It’s the same stone. It’s you would assume that it’s been subjected to the same weathering. Why is this so weathered and that is not? It’s that you can’t explain it any other way. Yeah.
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02:07:00
I’ve not seen anyone respond to that to that argument with anything that makes any remote sense. Ai, it
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02:07:06
Remote sense would dictate one’s older.
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02:07:08
Yeah. I mean, I we show literally, I just like to show people, like, which one which one looks older? Same stone. Same saloni, same elevation level, same everything.
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02:07:17
To be.
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02:07:18
Yeah. I mean, it’s and and again, we know
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02:07:20
That’s crazy. That’s crazy.
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02:07:23
And it’s not like this. This is very hard neumolitic limestone. Like, it’s full of fossils. It’s not a soft limestone. The idea that there was
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02:07:30
a civilization that built monolithic construction Yeah. A hundred thousand years ago is crazy. It is. But that’s so crazy. But have you seen any of Michael Button’s work?
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02:07:43
Yeah. Yeah. I saw the episode. Yeah.
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02:07:45
That is a very interesting episode. We was talking about how
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02:07:49
How far back human
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02:07:50
beings in this exact same form have been around at least 300,000 years. At least? At least.
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02:07:56
So that’s the fossil record.
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02:07:58
Right. That’s all we found. There might be human beings that were 500,000 years ago.
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02:08:02
There’s sai. Good evidence for it, actually.
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02:08:04
Really?
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02:08:05
Yep. There’s so yeah. So the Morocco ai, I’m I’ve talked about this for years as well. It’s that the the fossil record so we used to be, what, a ai well, 50,000, then it’s a 195,000 with the Ethiopian bones, and it’s 315 or 19 with the Morocco ai. That’s the latest in the fossil record, anatomically modern humans. However, there are studies, I think this is in the other vectors directory. I’ve got those studies.
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02:08:28
There’s there’s two studies that I reference usually. One is a DNA study that suggests, like, ram a genetic perspective, Neanderthals are our cousin. Like, we didn’t evolve from them. We both evolved from a common ancestor. And they’ve been based on but just looking at the genome and trying to trace it back, they the the the paper suggests that we split with a common ancestor somewhere in the realm of 800,000 years ago.
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02:08:52
Us and Neanderthals split from a common ancestor. Like, that’s when we carved
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02:08:56
off 100,000 years ago.
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02:08:58
Yep. And there’s another study on teeth morphology, which is which was it it actually got set up to try and prove that we’re only, you know, two, three hundred thousand years old. And now we’re looking at, ai, sai meh nearest common ancestor, how quickly does our tyler our teeth have to evolve, and morph ai this teeth like, teeth morphology?
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02:09:19
How quickly does that have to happen for us to basically have the teeth that we have today relative to our ancestors? And they thought, well, it’s gonna have to be this ai to make these numbers work, and then they did this big statistical study on a lot of different people from all around the world, and they figured out the teeth the the rate of dental evolution is much slower.
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02:09:37
So they send they they they basically work backwards from there and said, okay. So if if that’s how quickly our teeth evolved, then we may have been around as many as eight or 900,000 years. So you have so you you have two different studies. I mean, again, fossil record, 300,000, but other studies do suggest the possibility could be any up to towards a million years old for human, human beings.
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02:10:00
It gets real interesting even within the 300,000, but certainly if you stretch it back further, I mean, you can find, graphs of the temperature and the global temperature in ice core record ice core data from Antarctica that goes back 400,000. So you have these peaks and valleys. Like, we’re in that peak right now in the Holocene, the nice warm period where civilization flourishes.
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02:10:22
But we’ve been through a bunch of those peaks before, and some of those valleys are we know as a result of cataclysm, like massive changes to the surface of the Earth where nothing would be left. So I look. I honestly put the realm of possibility for advanced civilization, not just the last ice age, but within any you know, up to a million years, potentially.
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02:10:42
That’s fucking crazy.
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Could be
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Well, it’s not It’d be dust
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for a lot of it, but
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It would be dust what we would find now.
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02:10:49
Yeah.
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02:10:49
But it’s not but that’s what Michael Button’s argument. When you’re dealing with anatomically similar human beings or atomically exactly the same Yeah.
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02:10:57
Creature. Give us give us warm weather and, you know, enough food to eat, and we start fucking solving problems.
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02:11:04
Which is one of the reasons why Egypt itself was so spectacular was that it was very fertile.
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02:11:09
It was in the African human period. This is one of my arguments is Sai I think if you so if we just assume for a moment that there was a a civilization that flourished during what, you know, the African humid period and before it, when the Sahara was a savanna. And that’s why I think the Sahara is such an appealing arya. It’s because what happened. Right?
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02:11:28
So if that civilization ends, we’re knocked back to a to a to a relative stone age. The people that were populating the and people have been in the North, we know, for, like, hundreds of thousands of years. Like, people live and and they if they’re gonna start that civilization, they’re gonna do it in the only part of that country that was habitable. It’s the Nile Valley.
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02:11:47
And that’s where all the sites of ancient Egypt are that we know about, but they’ve all been let’s assume they kick arya with stuff. And they built bryden inherited and renovated and reused, and the dynastic Egyptians made them their own if assuming there’s something there before.
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02:12:00
So what’s fascinating to me is the possibility that out there in the Sahara, maybe near an ancient water source or an ancient aqueduct or something or or an ancient aquifer, we might be another Asirion out there, like the subterranean things. It might be another Serapeum. There might be another labyrinth buried beneath the sand somewhere that’s not been touched, and it hasn’t been inherited and reused.
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Well, that’s where the Reichardt Structure gets weird.
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02:12:25
Right. And that’s that’s on a ai that could be very ancient because it’s very eroded. It’s then it’s hard to see anything like this. You know, it’s interpretive almost at this point to to figure out that there’s if there was a structure there or anything. Yeah.
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02:12:37
Right. Yeah. It’s interesting. But it’s also that’s another one when you go above and you look at the satellite imagery, you go, oh, boy. That place got washed. Yeah. It did. It got I mean, that was one that place is one of the clearest examples ram because there’s literal salt deposits everywhere.
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02:12:55
Right. Yeah. I mean, it’s Which is nuts. It is nuts.
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It’s Yeah. The whole thing is nuts.
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02:13:00
Yeah. I don’t know what happened, like
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02:13:02
Jimmy Cortez said he has some amazing videos on that. That. Well, meh. If anybody’s interested.
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02:13:05
Jimmy does. Sana You do as well. Jimmy’s awesome. Yeah. He’s yeah. That’s that’s his that seems like it could be one of the places to look. I mean, actually, to Michael Donnellan’s, there’s an interesting talk about Mellon Burrows and that same satellite scan company. There’s a guy named Michael Donnellan who’s been working he was working with them, still is.
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02:13:22
He’s putting out a documentary pretty soon called Atlantica, and he thinks he’s found, at least, if not Atlantis, a part of Atlantis off the coast of Spain. And they’ve, for a 100%, found some shit in the waters, and Ai been diving on it for a couple years now. I’m building a documentary, but he’s it’s pretty convincing. He’s found, again, another, like, underwater, if nothing else, megalithic city.
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02:13:42
He thinks it could be Atlantis as well off the coast of Spain.
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02:13:45
Wow. I saw that that documentary was coming out. Yeah. I didn’t know exactly what they had discovered. Is there images that we could see right now? What they discovered?
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02:13:53
He’s he we saw, like, an advanced screen view of it close to
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02:13:56
his chest. Until it comes out.
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02:13:58
But it’s but it’s they discovered it with that Mellon Burrows scanning meh. Uh-huh. The same satellite based meh, and then they went and dived on it. And I’ve we saw, like, a cut down version of three episodes at this conference I went to and met him. I’ve I’ve since talked talked to him a bit.
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02:14:12
Fascinating. 100% found something. Like, it is man made. Like, whatever it is is yeah. So this is ai the preview or teaser thing.
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02:14:19
Oh, when does this come out?
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02:14:21
I’m not sure when it’s when the streaming I feel like it’s gotta be this year, I I hope. He’s mostly done with it. Sai 2025. Okay. So then Or at least the trailers That was Tim Akers for a second. They all go with the beard when he was still alive.
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02:14:33
When did he die?
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02:14:35
I think it was just last year or the year before. Damn. Yeah. Sucks. It’s
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02:14:40
I’m very happy I got John Anthony West on a couple of times before he passed.
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02:14:43
Ai one of my big regrets in never actually having the chance to meet the man. He was great. He’s phenomenal. You know, there’s a clip I use in my videos of him back in the nineties.
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02:14:51
Did you show any images, Jimmy? Not really. No?
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02:14:53
Not really. Ai in the nineties, John Anthony West, I use it in some of my videos, and he’s standing at this cabinet, the same cabinet I stand in front of, take people there to the Cairo Museum. And he’s looking at this beautiful ai vase with a super thin neck, and it’s just it’s like this beautiful but tiny little thin neck on it.
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02:15:09
And Flynn, he’s just saying, you know, how much these vases are an anomaly. They’re predynastic. We don’t know how they made them. You know, how do you machine out the inside of this vase through this tiny little neck? Someone did, and he said, I can only hope that at some point in the future, we’ll people will start to, like, apply modern technology and and study these things and try to learn some more about it.
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02:15:29
So it’s just fantastic that that Ai project is basically doing what he thinks we should be doing, and we’re learning a ton about it.
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02:15:35
His, DVD series, Magical Egypt, is what got me hooked.
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02:15:39
Yeah. I know. Yeah. That’s
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02:15:40
what you’ve said. That series is insane.
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02:15:43
I think it’s so good. He’s he was great. A symbologist, and that’s and Ai think that sim that symbologist’s view of ancient Egypt is is fantastic. Occasionally, he would touch on that, the engineering side of things that I’m kinda deep on. Sometimes he’d ignore it too. I it’s pretty funny.
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02:15:59
I have a copy of his guidebook, which is hard to get these days, his guidebook to ancient Egypt. And it literally has about this much on the Serapeum because there’s just no real ai down in the Serapeum. That’s the place with the 25 giant, like, 100 ton stone boxes. It’s one of the most remarkable logistical feats that come from ancient Egypt, but he just wasn’t there wasn’t a lot to, like, for a symbologist to interpret in that place.
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02:16:21
So ai like, yeah. It’s pretty cool. Go check it out. It’s a box.
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02:16:25
And we spent, like, four hours down there. It’s interesting if you think of him, like, being concentrating on the symbolism and how much work he did. Oh. And just you need one of those two.
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02:16:37
Right? Ai, for sure. You
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02:16:38
need a bunch of different people looking at all the different aspects of it.
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02:16:41
Meh.
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02:16:42
And he was another one that had his interpretation was this is a lot older.
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02:16:46
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:16:47
It seems no one seems to, like, do a deep dive on it and go, oh, no. No. They figured this out.
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02:16:53
No. Right. It
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02:16:54
Zahi’s example would was so crazy. His explanation was, this was the national project.
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02:17:01
Dude, I’ve I it’s so Ai tried to watch that podcast.
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02:17:04
Imagine if we’re all going to, fly without wings. This is the national project. This Exactly. Gonna use your mind and fly without wings. We’re all just gonna work on that.
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02:17:13
I have heard him say that for ten years. Eleven year ten years.
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02:17:17
Ai project?
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02:17:17
Yes. I asked him that question 2015. I was in the room with Graham Hancock and him when having this debate, which wasn’t a ai, and we’re yelling. Like, he was ai, he flipped out, earlier in the day. But, you know, we asked him that question. I’ve heard him been given that answer so many times.
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02:17:31
You’re asking about the anything precision or logistics, you know, or these these difficult to explain topics, that’s the response. It is it’s basically they tried really hard, therefore they did. And it’s it’s Ai I it drives me nutty. He’s not the only one who gives that response, by the way.
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02:17:47
That’s that’s that’s a pretty stock standard answer to anything where you say, well, how did they move a thousand ton statue a thousand ai, which is what they did at one point. Or how did they build the pyramid so precisely or whatever? Or how did they do it in the time frame? No. No. National project. Ai really wanted to.
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02:18:02
And it’s the the response of good examples like the like, let’s assume I mean, the Apollo 11 pro the Apollo program. Right? Going to the moon. That wasn’t that was a national project at the time. There was a huge amount of resources put towards it ram a relative to what NASA is today.
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02:18:17
But we didn’t just fucking all come together with a big, you know, piece of fabric and fling some people at the moon. There’s tech there’s technology involved. Right? You can’t do it without the technology. That’s that’s the aspect of that answer that annoys me. It’s ai, no. You Yeah. I don’t care how hard you try.
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02:18:32
Try does not get you, like, precise down to within a thousandth of a of an inch or in in the case of one of these vases, four tenths of a ai, six tenths of a micron. It’s that’s the most extreme precision I’ve seen on one of them.
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02:18:46
Well, it’s interesting too that these vases, these small things that you can hold in your hand arya evidence of this incredible technology
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02:18:54
Mhmm.
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02:18:55
When these enormous statues also exist. But you don’t think of the vases as being the thing that’s the smoking gun, but it kinda is.
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02:19:04
They are. It’s it because they it’s because they predate the dynastic Egyptians, because they were buried with those people. They exist we know they existed in those times. You can’t do that with the big statues, but it’s I have a whole long two hour talk about how these things connect to those things, like the tube drills and the precision and the machining.
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02:19:24
It’s the same technique. It’s the stone types. I mean, there god, there are there are a bunch of, like, tubular drills on the Great Pyramid, a whole bunch of them. People don’t know about them or where they are, but I’ve got pictures, and I can show people. The statues show the same machining marks.
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02:19:36
The statues reflect the same precision. The boxes, the the the obelisks, a lot of the stonework reflect the same thing as well. The same tools were used. The same precision shows up. And in pretty much all of those cases, the oldest and the best examples of all of those things are typically also the oldest.
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02:19:55
Like, it’s like the the
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02:19:56
the Best examples of
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02:19:57
the oldest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the single piece columns are absolutely incredible. Like, those the Romans didn’t make columns like that. Like, the fact that these columns of granite in Egypt, Ai mean, they start off ai, and they get narrower and narrower and narrower, and then they flare out at the top, and it’s all a single piece.
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02:20:12
And that means that the entire piece that was quarried had to be as wide as the widest part at the top and then machine down. These columns have freaking vertical they have lathe centering points on them. Like, there’s like a hunt like, imagine, it’s like a 150 tons turning on a vertical lathe or something that they did to create some of these things.
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02:20:29
So there’s points that show that it was hard lathe?
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02:20:31
Oh, it was definitely centering points sai shah. On these columns, there’s a forest of them laying out at Tanis, and you can see it on the endpoints. And it’s Can we show that? That’s nuts.
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02:20:41
The and what’s the weight of these things?
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02:20:42
Oh, it’s up to I mean, I imagine the bigger ones are maybe a hundred, hundred and fifty tons, 200 tons. They and you have these existing on Old Kingdom ai, like Saqqara, Giza, Abusir, the Single Piece Columns. They are also on sites later on that are attributed to the New Kingdom, places like the Luxor Temple or Karnak.
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02:21:00
However, I think that those places had a granite core and an infrastructure there already, and then those kings of the New Kingdom, Seti the first, Ai, Ramses the saloni, built around them. And you can see the difference in technology of what’s in the granite core with the giant obelisks and the columns and the granite buildings that look like the Valley Temple and the old structures.
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02:21:22
Then outside of that, it’s all sandstone, and it’s blocks. And they made giant columns too, but they’re made from blocks of sandstone. They would stack them up and shave them down. It’s a much softer saloni, and making blocks out of rounds and just you know, making columns out of rounds is way easier than trying to build a single flared, you know, granite column.
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02:21:41
And even the Romans believe. I mean, it has to have been something like that. Sai and it can’t have been that all the way because you have, actually, Jamie, in that precision large, directory, there’s a picture of a column end. Like, as I’m standing next to this amazing end piece, but some of them are faceted, so it kind of all been lathe work. Right.
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02:22:01
They have little they have little buttresses and features, but certainly, the column of the lathe, the circular part could have been done or the the column. The, the center of the column could have been done on a lathe. I’m sorry. Yeah. It’s it’s fascinating. I mean How big is this lathe? Huge.
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02:22:18
I mean, that’s what Chris Dunn thinks. Yeah. I mean, that’s one of the columns I’m standing next to. That’s sai tennis. And if you flip through, there’s there’s, like, a column endpoint that’s, yeah, there’s an end there. So see this there’s a hole in the Wow. In the tip.
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02:22:31
So you have you have lot this is a place called Temple Of Bastet, and there were forests of these things. Like, look at that thing.
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02:22:38
With that?
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02:22:38
That thing is one of the most
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02:22:40
Look at that.
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02:22:40
That’s one of my favorite artifacts in all of Egypt. It is immaculate. That that the faceting look at that that bullnose that runs up the center of that frond of the palm, because these are ai palm shaped pillars. I mean, it tapers. It’s thick on one end, and it thins right down to the end, and it’s exactly ai side. I on each of these fronds.
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02:23:00
Ai I would love to get there and and scan this thing, one of my favorite pieces. And you just had, like, I mean, probably hundreds of these things on these ai. I mean, even and it goes back in time. Again, this is from this is these are picked these are columns from Saqqara and, Abusir, which are all Old Kingdom sites.
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02:23:20
So again, these are existing in the early ai that they didn’t build columns like this later in the civilization. They build them with, sandstone pieces. Go back
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02:23:27
to those images again, please. Look how crazy that looks.
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02:23:31
Yeah.
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02:23:32
One solid piece of granite.
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02:23:34
Yeah. And fled. Flare. Even the Romans who who, by all accounts, had far superior technology to the Egyptians. They had force ai. They had iron. They had all sorts of mathematical skill they got from the Greeks. They’ve built they built single piece granite, pillars, but they but they were they were tapered the whole way. Like, they and they weren’t anything as precise. They’re quite rough.
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02:23:58
If you go you’ve been to the Pantheon, this one’s one of my favorites. This is called Pompeys Pillar. You can see the dude standing at the bottom. Like, this is like, I’ve actually got a picture of me there as well, but it’s
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02:24:12
Yeah. You see that dude at the bottom. Yeah. Zoom out so we can see the whole thing with him.
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02:24:17
It’s not
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02:24:17
working. Right? It’s not working.
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02:24:19
There it is.
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02:24:20
Look at that.
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02:24:21
So I think that’s been a re that’s a reworked column that the Romans reworked, and they either they’d carved that head top, or it’s a separate stone. I’m not actually sure. But this is, this is in Alexandria in Egypt, but huge.
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02:24:35
And where did that come from?
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02:24:36
And so this is how they do it. The, that’s I don’t I mean, it’s Aswanian granite. It’s but it’s it’s ai a thousand kilometers away.
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02:24:43
So then when you get to New Kingdom
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02:24:45
So that’s what this is what they yes. So this is the stacked rounds of sandstone, and this is I always like to show people this corner of Karnak because there’s an unfinished column on the end there. You can see how they did it. They’d stack up those blocks, and ai basically shave it down. And they would end up and this is imitation too. Right?
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02:25:00
This is the other a key thing you sai. Even with the vases, they would I mean, people knew what was like, anyone who works with stone, whether you’re primitive or not, you see see an artifact like that or one of those statues or a column out of stone, you’re like, holy shit.
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02:25:14
How did they do that? So you it’s from the gods. Right? I’m gonna imitate it, and I’m gonna try and replicate it. And so they were doing their best to replicate and ai, But with sandstone.
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02:25:23
With sandstone and in a in a technological method that they were capable of, which is to put blocks of sandstone up Right. Shave it down and make it make it look like one of these columns. Well And they did great work. Right? Don’t get me wrong.
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02:25:35
A necklace on that.
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02:25:36
Karnak is this is the great sort of ai hall at Karnak. It’s phenomenal. And it is the work of the New Kingdom, but it still pales in technological significance to, like, the older stuff, the single piece stuff. But it’s fabulous. Like, this is I love the Carnac is one of my favorite places because you have all those examples right in front of you of, like, high-tech and then low tech.
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02:25:59
And so by New Kingdom, what year?
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02:26:01
Sai, like, fourteen, fifteen hundred BC. Ish.
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02:26:07
Sai even then, they’re still doing spectacular stuff. It’s just not as sophisticated.
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02:26:12
It was Biola was Right. Ai can see Old Kingdom in the New Kingdom, that was Egypt’s ai, like, the height of the dynastic Egyptian civilization. Like, Ramses the second in particular, ai, always call him the, you know, the the greatest of the Egyptian kings. They would Egypt had the most power, the most wealth, the most ability to do that sort of work, so they built these great temples.
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02:26:32
And it just it’s very, very clear yeah. This is that Pompey’s Pillar that they call it. It’s very clear that, they built them around and on top of existing infrastructure. In fact, at Karnak, which is attributed to Ramses the saloni, I mean, you again, the devil’s in the details.
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02:26:49
You have the names of kings that go back all the way to the Old Kingdom on various structures. You also, at one point, at that in that hall where they pulled up a massive floor tile, underneath the ground at the bottom there is a is a column base. It’s another ai, an an older and white calcite column base that is the same sort of column base that you see on the very oldest of ai, which tells you there was a columned hall here before and either got destroyed or knocked down, but the whole place was rebuilt.
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02:27:17
You you you see this evidence for these layers of infrastructure on these sites that tells you, okay. This is you it’s like looking at these ancient ai. You always have to keep that that in the back of your head, like, alright. There’s been thousands of years of not only inheritance, but renovation and reuse and claiming.
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02:27:34
Like, it’s it’s you know, people have asked meh, if I think the statues are so old, how come they look like dynastic Egyptians? I think the answer is it’s the other way around. I think that dynastic Egyptians look like the statues. So if you imagine, there’s there’s evidence for, like, five or six of these giant thousand ton statues, which are the typical stuff you see at Luxor with the, you know, the head jet and the the meh crown or the big the bowling pin thing on the head, and they’re always in that iconic symbolic style of ancient Egypt.
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02:28:08
Can you go to some of those?
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02:28:10
Yeah. I have the Precision Large has probably got the statues. And imagine that you are a a tribal culture that’s emerging from the dot from this this stone age, but you have this history and these legends of these stories, and you come across yeah. So this iconic this iconic look. And, again, this stretches back. This is an old kingdom statue. This is attributed to this is made of diorite, by the way.
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02:28:30
This is called Khafre enthroned, one of my favorite statue, With the columns from from Sakaar in the background.
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02:28:35
This is made out of that same impossibly hard stone.
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02:28:38
It’s ai a 6.5 to a seven on the Mohs scale, and it’s it’s this is an incredible statue.
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02:28:44
And this has exhibits that facial symmetry as
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02:28:47
well? It looks like it. I’ve not seen the actual scans from this, but this thing actually has tubular drill marks and and saw cuts in it too. So it’s it’s got between his heels is a you you see the remnants of a tube drill.
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02:28:59
Keep that there, please.
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02:29:00
I’ve probably got a picture of that in my machining directory of the actual the tube drill between the heels. And then in the legs, on the inside, you can actually see overcuts, ai, a sai cuts from where there was they they cut too deeply into this insanely hard saloni, and it’s it’s overrun, which is if you were doing this by hand, that’s a mistake you’d have to be making for about four hours, you know, to actually get the the depth of the cut.
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02:29:24
But if you had some sort of power tool that was was moving removing material quickly, it’s you can overcut in there. And and there’s, like, little mistakes.
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02:29:31
Go to the full of of his, please. Yeah. So your thoughts are that the Egyptians were imitating these ancient looks?
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02:29:40
Yes. I think they I think they inherited their iconography from the things the artifacts that they that they gained in in, like, statues like this, for and also the thousand ton versions of statues like this. And, I mean, if you look at their art style, this is one of the things that blows my mind.
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02:29:59
It’s it’s it’s ai across that three thousand year civilization, that iconography didn’t change very much. Like, it’s the same look. And you and and how do the kings draw themselves on the walls? They’re always trying to position themselves as being one of the gods. Right?
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02:30:13
They would talk about eventually, they got this aura of divinity. You became a god ai the pharaohs became divine. That wasn’t always the case. But they grew into that over time as that civilization progressed. And they always match themselves, and they try to make themselves look like the gods.
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02:30:29
And again, eventually, once you get hubris and ego involved in some of these really big, really rich kings, you’re like, damn it. I am one of the gods. Put my name on this statue. That’s how I wanna be remembered. And that’s there were multiple gods. Seti the first did it.
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02:30:41
His son, Ramses the second, his sana, Meh Patta, particularly in the new kingdom. I mean, Petrie called Ramses the great usurper. That was his name for him because he was putting his name on everything, trying to label himself as one of the kings. And I think if you you look at that Sai ai from from the old kingdom through to the Ptolemaic era, it’s the same.
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02:31:01
Like, they’re they’re depicting themselves as one of these gods who are always depicted in the same way, and that’s that’s, like, that’s part of it from day one, like, it feels like. So and I think where do you get that picture from? It’s like that, the, what’s the the what’s the the poem from Percy Shelley?
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02:31:17
Ozymandias, Look on my ai, ye mighty and despair. Like, it’s literally a poem by Percy Shelley that talks about it. He actually gets it from, I think, Diodorus Sic an account of Diodorus Siculus coming across, one of these statues in the desert that’s a thousand tons. It’s like a a weary traveler in a desert of in an unknown land comes along to to vast and trunkless legs of stone over like, nearby, a shattered visage lies still, like, sort of sneer full of sneer and arrogance, and it’s it’s basically written upon this, stone of the words, my name is Ozymandias, king of kings.
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02:31:55
Look on my work, ye mighty, and despair. And there the then the endless sana stretched far away. It’s I mean, I’m paraphrasing.
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People are dicks. Yeah. Especially when they become kings. There it is. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Nothing beside remains round and round. Ai. That colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the ai and level sana stretched. So it’s ai if you imagine you come across in this in the sana, in the desert, and you find the remnants of a thousand tons have you have you probably I’m sure you’ve seen pictures of the Ramesseum and the thousand ton statues.
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02:32:27
Like, there’s four or five of them, at least, that happened, but they’re incredible single piece stone statues that were moved, in some cases, up to a thousand, like, six, seven hundred miles away. Ai I have them in, like, col I have them in, like, colossal directory.
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And did they fall from earthquakes? Is that the speculation?
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I suspect either that or, the hands of men. I think it was, like I think with enough dudes with enough leverage, you can probably yeet that thing over and and it’ll crack when it falls. Ai I think it’s they would definitely there was a long period of them destroying all the gods and all the ai and all the, you know, the the false idols of the past.
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Of course. There’s sai a place called Tanis, there’s a foot. There’s a giant foot that I can’t, I mean, my whole ostrich hand wouldn’t fit in the toenail. And it’s a repurposed block of granite, and Petrie found it. And there’s other pieces of this statue.
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02:33:19
So we know it was a a statue that had it been standing, it’s about the same size as the Statue Of Liberty without the pedestal. The foot’s about the same ai, just give it a a a frame of reference. And that thing’s made from Aswanian granite. Now Tanis is in the North, and that’s one’s and it’s it’s North of Kar. Like, it’s up in the Delta towards the Mediterranean, and and Kar is down here.
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02:33:41
It’s ai a thousand kilometers. So someone at some point took a at least a thousand ton, probably more like 1,500 ton block of stone because they didn’t finish them. They didn’t ship them finished. We know they finished stuff on-site. Like, a thousand kilometers north.
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There’s an even better example, Jamie, I think in the in the Is that
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the the foot?
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The foot at tennis. No. That that’s it there, the first one. Yeah. In my,
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And I was looking at it, but I didn’t see
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it. In the massive, yeah.
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Okay. My that just was just
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It’s actually my my my video thumbnail in the ancient tennis, largest stone statue ever made. Which one? Ai huge objects. Huge objects. Yeah. There you go. So there’s go up on. That’s the foot there. So you see that’s the it’s actually it’s funny because this box block’s been repurposed.
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02:34:33
It’s been cut off on both sides and used as a block in a wall. They cut the front off it and the back off it and stuck it in and rebuilt it. This thing this, there’s a picture of the whole arm when it was put together in that directory. So that’s a joint thumb holding a scroll, and they put the whole arm together. There’s I got one picture of it.
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One time I was there, they put the whole arm together, and that is probably the most impressive example. It’s in there, I’m sure. Let’s see. It’s that them. Down.
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Down. Down. Meh. Up. Up one. There you go. Yeah. So this this is, it’s made from composite quartzite. So this is at Karnak.
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This is one of several of statues of this size at Karnak. And what’s impressive about this, they actually put this together for one year and then they took it apart because and I got told that it was because they didn’t people were freaking out about how big this must have been.
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02:35:23
They didn’t we’re kinda it gives a sense of scale and then people are like, what the fuck? How are they doing this? So they took it apart again, But you can still see the thumb there today, so it’s turned on its side. Now, what’s cool about this is is that it’s a straight arm.
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02:35:35
So a lot of those statues ai the one at the Ramesses, they’re seated, so they always have their their elbows bent at their knees. Mhmm. This thing was standing. So it was a standing statue, thousand tons made from composite quartzite, which is, in a lot of ways, more difficult to work than granite.
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02:35:50
It’s a very hard compressed form of sandstone. It’s ai 6.5 to seven, but it’s full of flint. It’s a stone carver’s nightmare. It’s it’s like you can see the chunks of flint in the stone, but they somehow work that surface just with no problem going over flint, which is seven, seven and a half on the most scale.
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02:36:08
The trick with this statue is where that stone came from. That’s it’s sai Karnak in the South, Aswan for granite, a bit further south. Composite quartzite doesn’t come from Aswan. It comes from the Meh Mountains North of Cairo. And the tricky part here is that that the Nile River flows north. Right?
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02:36:27
So it’s it’s like people it’s because it’s north that people are like, oh, it’s flowing up, but it flows to the north. So they had to take the block for that thing, I’d say, 1,500 tons easy. They had to bring that upriver upriver 600 miles or something, 500 miles. Wow. I don’t know how you explain that, and there’s certainly no depictions of them doing that. That’s that is that is a a logistical feat.
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I mean, it’s I don’t know how you can rival it.
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It was a national project. Don’t you get it? They just Don’t you get it?
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Just a national project. They really wanted to.
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Dude, it Well, it’s one of those really amazing mysteries
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because the actual facts
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of it are so spectacular. Mysteries because the actual facts of it are so spectacular that it defies any conventional explanation to the point where it it opens up people to the possibility that maybe we don’t know. It, almost every anyone listening to this, it’s even remotely reasonable that sees that goes, okay.
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I think I think this picture is a lot bigger than we thought it was.
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Yeah. That’s honestly my response to it too is I don’t know how they did this. I Ai you can’t do it ram primitive fashion. Like, we literally tried. Like, we’ve had the Thunderstone is the other is the Ai would
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they even do it today?
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02:37:46
Hydraulics and diesel power, like, huge I mean, I I didn’t even know. You ai to move I mean, it’s, like, makes newspaper headlines when they shift a load of, like, a 150 tons on a on a truck somewhere. I’d a thousand tons these days?
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1,500 tons?
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1,500 tons. I mean, we have cranes. We we have the capability, but it’s usually by water on giant I don’t know if we could how we transport a load like that over anything other than water.
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I meh, imagine the wooden boat and how hard those dudes are rowing.
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02:38:14
Upriver too.
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Not only that, how deep is the water? And when you’re dealing with a 150 tons, how far does it sink?
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02:38:22
You know what I mean? Displacement. Yeah.
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02:38:24
Yeah. How much of a boat do you need? And can you fit a boat that wide?
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02:38:28
In the in parts of the Nile, you can, but I’ll tell you this, and I’ve looked at this, that you sure as shit can’t do it at the quarry because this is what they say. You go to the ai, and this is a example I like to give people all the time. The unfinished obelisk, you know, at the Aswan Ai.
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02:38:43
It’s like 1,200 tons, more or less. Like, 10 tons off of them. They will tell you that, oh, yeah. So this this low area in the quarry, that’s the harbor where they park the boat to take the to take the stone. I mean, you just it’s there is no chance that you could put that thing on a boat that even would it’s it’s ai this this is not in the realms of possibility for a boat to displace enough water to take a load like that obelisk.
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02:39:07
It would literally just be this giant ker clunk. It would just it it just can’t happen. And what’s more, that quarry or that that harbor in the quarry, it’s that isn’t a harbor. They that’s an extraction. They pulled a fucking block out of there the same size as the obelisk. It’s and it’s gone. You can see it.
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02:39:29
I showed it’s an off limits area to the quarry, but ai we kinda get in there every time.
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02:39:34
So someone somehow pulled that off.
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02:39:37
It’s already been done a 100%. We know it has because we’ve got the statues of blocks of that ai, and and tonnage have been have been successfully transported and shaped. However, in that place they call the quarry in the harbor, it is it’s all scoop marks. It’s the same technology, and it here’s where it gets bald, is that that there’s you can see the extraction that’s come out.
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02:39:56
It’s massive ai basically ai the obelisk, the unfinished obelisk. So something like an order of 12 to 1,300 tons in a piece got pulled out of there. And on in the corner, right up at the end where you see the boxy end of whatever this was was taken out on the wall, there’s red ocher painting.
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02:40:12
It’s paintings of, like, emus or flamingos and some other dolphins and other stuff, and it it’s an identical match for the art style and paintings that you find on predynastic pottery that comes from Nakata culture and before. It’s exactly the same. It’s not it’s not dynastic Egyptian. It’s pre dynastic artwork. That’s been put on the wall. I hope I have pictures of that.
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02:40:40
I know I do on here. It’s I actually have a video called, it’s it’s on my I have a video when I look at all this on my channel, but it is it’s the exact same artwork that you see on the the vessel. So it’s to me, it’s an indication of there was a primitive these people that were there are living there in the thousands of years before the dynastic Egyptian civilization rose were obviously in that ai, and they found this convenient wall to put some artwork on, and they painted on it, which tells you that, well, this extraction had to happen before that.
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Right?
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Right. It had
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to have been taken out before that.
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That. And how far before?
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We don’t we don’t know. Can’t date the stone. So but somebody took a piece like that out of there, 100, with the same technology, the scoop marks and stuff.
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02:41:20
Could have you found anything on that, Jamie? Can once you get that, let’s look at the unknown obelisk too sai to give people
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a reference to The unfinished obelisk?
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Yeah. The unfinished obelisk is, how many feet
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I have that open now. That is definitely in that, other directory.
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Okay.
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Hold
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that’s, yeah, that’s the that’s the the video about the obelisk. But I Yeah.
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A French obelisk is how long? Oh, god.
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It’s it’s gotta be, I don’t know, a 100 feet long or something like that. It’s a ninety, eighty, 90 feet long, I’m thinking. You’ll see it in the picture. It’s I mean, it’s a giant, giant block. I meh, so it’s not extracted either. That’s what I should say. It’s it is it is still attached to the bedrock, so they were cutting it out. And then for whatever reason, they stopped.
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02:42:07
But if if you assume that the, obelisk would have a square section, which means, you know, same width as, you know, like this, a square section, it would have its mass with the granite there at, like, 2.7 tons per cubic meter is is roughly 1,200 tons. And how do you
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because it was cracked, or
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did it That’s what they say. That’s what they say. I don’t think so. I don’t think that it doesn’t to me, that’s hard to say whether it was cracked or not. It was people tried to quarry it after. There wasn’t much attempt made to quarry. I don’t know why you would even if it cracked, why not use it?
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02:42:40
If it’s actually part if it was done during domestic Egypt, I mean, you’ve done all that work. You’ve cut out the trenches on all of it around. You could cut pieces out of that. It’d take way less work. You wanna get a smaller piece of stone for something else? Just cut it. Mhmm.
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Like, you you should use it, but it that’s not that’s not what happened.
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Unless their technology was so sophisticated that what they wanted was very specific, and they could just do it again.
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02:43:03
Yeah. And maybe it didn’t crack. I think that’s an example, like, you do see on a lot of these sites like the Serapeum, like the Assyrian, like the Quarry, that something happened that meant tools down. Yeah. So here’s the painting. This is this is the pictographs. Those are the paintings, and if you compare that to what’s on, like, the predomastic vases, you’ll see exactly the same thing.
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Now so these depictions of flamingos Yeah. Was it possible to date the paint that they used?
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I think you probably could. I don’t know if anybody ever has. I’d love to see that done. Yeah. I would love for that to happen. That’s that’s a very good point because it’s it just there’s a few things in Egypt where I’m like, why
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don’t we date that? Sorry, Jimmy. Scroll down a little bit.
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Sorry. This side?
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That scoopy thing. The the no. Below that yeah. They’re right there. What’s that?
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02:43:53
So that’s another piece near, in the quarry. And this is puts the light of the stupid, pounding stone theory of, of, of of what how they explain this in the mainstream because these scoop marks they tell you are are pounding stones. This is another big piece. This is probably we guess this piece it was probably gonna be ai a smaller seated statue, but still ai maybe a 150 tons.
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02:44:14
And they were they were cutting this out. So this you can see this is the process of, like, carving out underneath it. Mhmm. And so you can get in these trenches, and and and the scoop marks are crazy, though, because they they extend basically from the top of the wall, like, 15 feet straight down these these ridges.
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02:44:30
They go all along the ground under and then up on the roof side. So if you’re pan you’re pounding, you would have been doing this, pounding up to pound that out. And it also, it’s a very sharp turn on the inside. There’s some it’s the result is some tool.
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Like Also, someone’s sana be underneath it when it finally cracks loose.
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Yep. That would not yep. Not a don’t want to draw that short straw. Thank you very much. Yeah. We take people down into that area around this, block every time. It’s great. And it’s Very bizarre looking. And you can grab that stone and whack at it and just see how how little effect you’ll have with the meh, you know.
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But those stones were is that an example of what they arya trying to claim was used? Yes. How long would that take? So is that the unfinished obelisk?
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That is the unfinished obelisk.
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02:45:11
And so where is that sucker cracked?
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Ai there’s couple cracks. Right? So this is the thing that there’s there’s attempts at quarrying that have been made. It’s it’s I think it’s that crack up the towards the top Mhmm. Is what they say, how it cracked, but we don’t know how it cracked.
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If it cracked after the fact either.
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02:45:29
It’s possible that, I mean, like a lot of these places that it was a tools down situation. Just something happened to stop, whether it’s civil unrest, cataclysm. Right. And this thing was buried too. Like, that that’s that’s the thing. There was a lot of quarrying that happened after this at ai levels.
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02:45:44
Like, so this is you gotta imagine when you go to this quarry, it’s like they’ve cut the top off a granite mountain. Ai taken so much granite out of there. Huge granite mountain. So to get down to, you know, this sort of high quality granite, which is not surface level granite, you have to go ten, twelve, 15 meters into granite to get blocks that are even possible to be That’s nuts.
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02:46:03
This size or this, you know, one single piece. And in fact, even now, like, you can see the the like, all of this has changed. This is not there’s no staircase. All of that that gravel up to the north of that has all been moved. We’re still clearing the ai out or they arya.
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02:46:17
But when this was first discovered, it was buried in, like, seven, eight meters of quarry rubble from all of the quarrying that had happened above it and around it, like, for thousands of years. The the the Egyptians, the Romans yeah. This was buried.
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How’d they know it was there?
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Well, so there was ai there was a, like, an edge one little edge piece poking out. Like, what the hell is this? And then it was, Howard it was it was Flinders Petrie’s assistant who actually excavated that site, and he had to, like, split a bunch of big blocks to even get it out of the way.
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Ai took them forever, but they eventually uncovered it all. Yeah. Wow. But it was the back end of this, like, seven, eight meters of rubble that they had to clear out. I mean, they yeah.
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That’s nuts.
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Yeah. It is. It’s and to me, it’s, like, it’s quite plausible. It’s a possibility that that was there. It was done.
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I was quite plausible there’s just more of that stuff out there.
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Oh, for sure. I mean, there’s many more quarries. This is this is just because that’s in the quarry. That’s the quarry that’s sort of been cleared and made available for tourists, but just tons of quarries. Like, there’s yeah. These are great pictures. That’s the the jewel image.
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02:47:20
This is when it first popped out. Yeah. So they had this section of it and they’re like, ai. This is something else. But and so what happened with the pounding stones arya really interesting because there were thousands of them on the site, these round stones.
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02:47:34
However, the vast majority of them were broken. They were split. And, god, I’ve I’ve I’m blanking on the name of the guy who excavated the site. However, he was like, how come these are all broken? And he tried to break them.
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02:47:49
So he stood up on, like, you know, 15 feet up, and he’s hurling these stones down onto the granite. And, like, bang, bang. He had to do it, like, 10 tyler, and eventually, he cracks a chip off on them because they’re they’re dolerite. They’re hard. They are hard as stone.
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02:48:01
And look, you will eventually create enough dust eventually. I mean, it’s it’s like the there actually have been studies done. Dennis Stocks did a study, and it’s the volume, it’s basically you remove about, I think it was two thirds the volume of a golf ball in an hour of pounding.
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Yo. So not a lot.
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Not a lot.
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Yep. And if you can imagine I like to tell people it’s ai, you can only fit, like, you know, these these trenches around this colt. It’s not like you can put a thousand dudes in there. They ai sit in this, like, one person in one speak, and then dudes. And so all you have to do is imagine all of that space being filled up with golf balls, add another third for the you know, because it’s two thirds of golf ball, and then maybe add another half again to that to account for the negative space between the balls.
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02:48:49
That’s how many hours it would take, which is I mean, decades of effort. Like, it’s not it’s not remotely possible to do it in any reasonable time frame. People can’t And
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also And
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pounding stones is like, come on.
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02:49:00
How do you break it free? Well, that’s the issue. Who’s underneath it when they’re pounding? Like, how does
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02:49:06
That’s what I think these balls were. So I think the they’re very difficult to break. They’ve taken away all the broken ones. The only ones on-site now are these, like, little nice rounded ones. And even then, you you can’t do it from all in cup you have to ai let it go and catch it, and you would your arms would burn out in no time.
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02:49:21
I mean but I think the reason so many were bryden, I actually I think and you can actually see this in the in the harbor arya. There are these channels that I think they cut under them. You can see the remnants of them where they took the big extraction out. And I suspect what they did was they would shove these balls of ai in there, and it would provide them enough movement or just enough support where they could they could cut the rest of the of the, like, whatever, scoop out or remove the the other attachment points.
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02:49:49
And then you’re also once you get out of that trench, you can now shift this thing ever so slightly to get whatever you would need to get under it to lift it up out of there. Because that’s the other problem with the obelisk. It’s ai, it’s on an angle, and Ai mean, the trench is gonna be when it’s completed, they didn’t they had only dug down two two thirds as deep as they needed to go.
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02:50:09
So that trench at its its thickest point would have been, like, twelve, fifteen feet deep down there, and you gotta get under it. So you still you it’s on an angle. You have to lift that thing up fifteen, twenty feet up in the air to get it out of the trench and then somehow move it to get into this rocky crazy environment to move it to get it somewhere to then take it wherever else you’re taking it.
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02:50:29
But you’d have to be able to maneuver. So I think I honestly think those dolerite balls could have been used as primitive ball bearings that would just that’s vatsal they were used for was to support it while you cut it free. And then Mhmm. And then it would a lot of them would have snapped in half under the mass of something like that, which explains why so many of them were broken because you ain’t broken those things by pounding on them.
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02:50:51
Like, it’s just not gonna break.
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That actually makes sense that they were used as some sort of a ball bearing. Yeah. Yeah. But even so, even if that’s the case, like, how, what?
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02:51:02
Well, how are you lifting it? And what are you doing to lift that obelisk?
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How many people are involved if it’s just manual labor?
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02:51:08
You cannot fit enough people around that obelisk to even come close. Like, not you probably not even to get 10% of the amount of like, it’s so it’s such a rock rocky weirdness. You can’t fit that many people around it today. I have no idea how ai I mean, I don’t think they were doing this without the expectation that they could get it done. You know what I mean?
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02:51:27
But what kind of conventional explanation is this?
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02:51:30
There’s nothing. There’s nothing. There’s nothing.
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02:51:32
They just gloss over it. We don’t know. They say we don’t know.
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02:51:35
They don’t address the realities of the thousand tons. I’ve not seen anyone address those realities. Well okay. So they do. And there’s and it’s ai with logistics, they will show you pictures where the Egyptians are moving something that is a 100 tons or a 150 tons and sai, see?
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02:51:54
Now, that’s not how logistics works. So so for example, with the statues, we know they scale right up to, you know, a thousand tons or more. There is a picture on a tomb of a guy named Djutti Hotep, and I’ve got this in the statue’s directory. I think it’s a k it’s a painting on a wall, and it’s it’s it’s a it’s a sled with this statue, and there is, like, you know, rows of guys.
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02:52:17
They’ve got the, you know, the imprint of dudes behind dudes, and they’re all pulling on a rope. No pulleys again. They didn’t have force multipliers. They were just straight pulling wooden levers, a wooden sled. They’re dragging this statue. In the case of this statue, we know about this statue. There’s pieces of it left.
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02:52:32
It was made from alabaster. Ai not as heavy as granite. But it probably weighed the the the estimate of how much it weighed was 57 tons, which is quite a lot. It’s respectable. Right?
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02:52:41
And you can imagine, but with enough labor and on a sled, this is it. This is a 57 ton statue. There’s a guy pouring something on the sand or in front of them, so you can count all these dudes and the shadows of the dudes behind them on these ropes. And so there’s a figure about it, and there’s been papers written about this.
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02:52:58
There’s literally, I think, a Japanese team wrote a paper about what would it would take to do this. And, okay, this is possible. For 57 tons with enough people, enough horsepower, you can do it. Now it’s not like that scales up on, like, a linear increase in difficulty to something that’s a thousand tons. It’s more of a logarithmic expend exponential curve.
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02:53:17
You cannot you cannot take this explanation and apply it to something that’s a thousand tons. It’s 20 times as heavy. The co the friction coefficient goes through the roof. The those sleds would literally just drive into the ground. You can’t you you get to you’re in you’re in realms of mass where it’s like material failure becomes a problem. Wood is no longer sufficient to support that.
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02:53:38
You cannot you certainly can’t move it up any slopes. You you have to do all this ground preparation work to even attempt it, and they move these things ai a thousand kilometers.
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02:53:49
If there’s a place that you could go back in time and see, that is it. That is it.
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02:53:55
Yeah. Quarry would be a good one.
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God. If you could go back in time just to see construction, just, I guess, quarry.
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But I mean I mean Pyramids. Yeah.
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How are you lifting things? What are you doing? What what do you what does your machinery look like? You must have some some kind of technology that is just dust in the wind now.
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It has to be. Because we’ve tried this. Like, there’s an ex do you know about the thunder ai you heard of this thing? Thing?
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No. Okay. So No. I did hear about this.
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Yeah. So in, like, the seventeen hundreds, I think it was pre industrial age. Well, the early days, but no diesel power, no hydraulics. And this is the thunderstone. So we did, like, in Russia. They moved this thing from Finland to Russia. It’s sai Saint Petersburg. They carved it as they went.
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It’s the it’s the base now for, I think, a a bronze statue of of of Peter the Great. But this is how they did it. And and sai, basically, you can see the cap stands, the the twist things these dudes are working on. They’re they’re rotating. They would dig these giant holes to anchor these big logs in the ground to then use pulleys and force multipliers with dudes on giant rails, and then they would have these huge big iron rails that they would put on the ground and carry back and forth.
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And the whole thing was was moving on these bronze spheres, these big ai bowling ball sized spheres of bronze. And on a good day, they’d move this thing a 150 meters.
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Wow.
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Three what’s that? 450 feet.
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Still pretty impressive.
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Yeah. But it took them years and years. And then and and it’s this thing weighed around 1,500 tons.
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It’s interesting that using bronze spheres,
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you know, which Brass spheres. I’m sorry.
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What what whatever. Metal spheres.
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Yeah. Which
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is very similar to what you’re describing with the obelisk.
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Right. But there’s again, you when you compare that level of technology here to ancient Egypt, ain’t there’s nothing. There’s they they have ai shah you what they did with that the Judy Ho ai image. It’s a wooden sled. No force ai, no cap stands, no pulleys, no none of that. Just dudes yanking on a rope. There’s no evidence they use pulleys.
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Pouring water on the sana. It was slippery.
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Milk or whatever. Right? Oil. Who knows? It’s it’s just stupid. You can’t take you cannot explain it when it took us everything they had for years and years to to move that. And ai the way, they did they took that across the Gulf Of Finland, and it wasn’t on some little river barge either.
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They built a giant platform, took them a year to build it, and then they had to put warships on either side of it to keep it balanced. It’s massive to even pop this thing in the center and hope that they got this thing over to to Russia to then move it the rest of the way. So Wow. It ain’t no barge carrying a thousand tons down the Nile. No. That’s nuts. Something happened.
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So it it’s all so fascinating. And something happened is actually the only answer we have. Meh.
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Yeah. I would agree.
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Yeah. Meh, you’re awesome, man. I really, really appreciate you coming on here. Your channel, Uncharted x, fantastic channel. So much good content. How long have you been doing it now?
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I’ve been doing it. I I mean, I quit my job ten ten years ago, but not I mean, Uncharted x. God.
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You have the courage to do that.
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It was a big old step. The wife was like, what are you doing?
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I know. But look, you were right.
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It worked out. I am super grateful that’s worked out. In fact, I I wanna I mean, obviously, thank you for the hospitality and the ai, and I genuinely also think dude, I I’ve come full circle with this a little bit. Like, I what got me into it in the first place, gen I mean, I was always interested, but it wasn’t until Graham’s first who I’ve gotten to know very well over the years.
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I love that man. It wasn’t until his first appearance on your podcast back in the old days, like, was it 2011, 2012, something like that?
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Who’s the first real guests? Yeah. That ai just me and Duncan, that one.
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You and Duncan? Right. At your or was it at your house?
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At my house. That was what I was doing at my house.
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That one Yeah. Was what really I mean, after that, I followed him really closely. I went to Peru and Bolivia with him in 2013. And then 2015, I went with him to Egypt. So it’s ai the fact that I’m here talking to you now, you you started me on this, and it’s it’s come full circle. So thank you for that.
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And and the fact that you are interested in this topic, I think, is such a boon to everyone else out there that, you know, you get to spread the word, and and and it’s it’s just such a benefit to the whole the whole ai.
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Sai thank you. Ai so happy that guys like you took that fucking baton and ran with it. But I mean It’s
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been wild ride. I love it.
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How I my my answer to all this is who’s not? I don’t understand you if you’re not interested in this. How how is this not unbelievably fascinating?
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Yeah. Ai. A 100%. I agree. I that’s that’s what happened to me. Ai fell down this pyramid shaped hole, and Sai was doing real I mean, I had a I had quite a career before this in the tech world, but, I mean, I go to conferences and tech events. And the second that we’re out in the break room, I’m talking about the Younger Dryas and pyramids and massive statues and all that shit.
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Graham Hancock, and they’re like, this is really interesting. I’m like, I know.
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It’s the it’s literally the most interesting thing about civilization. That time period and the mysteries that are involved in trying to just decipher what happened. Yeah. It it is the most fascinating time in history, I think.
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Yeah. Ai agree. I’d agree. Yeah.
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Sana Phenomenal. Again, thank you so much. Thanks for doing
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Thank you, Jack.
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Let’s definitely do this again.
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02:58:53
Ai would love to.
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Especially if some more information comes out about the labyrinth. And hopefully, more people, you know, were also picking up the baton and ai people get involved.
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I see that happening. I’m very glad that that it is. I I’m I’m absolutely I’m thrilled to see other people getting into the field. I’m not sai I don’t see any of this as it’s not competition. It’s like all It’s a rising time. It’s a rising
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time. Psy.
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Yeah. You
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Come on. Jump on board. Yeah. You could definitely say you found it. You could everybody will agree that you found it.
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We didn’t talk about the sphinx and the stuff in the sai shah, but save that for the next time. We’ll do it again then.
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Yeah. Definitely do it again. Alright.
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I would love to.
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Thank you so much. This was awesome. Alright. Bye, everybody.
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Bye bye.