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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good to see you, man. Nice to meet you.
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You too, man. Pleasure.
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I love your channel, man. It’s really great. You’re you’re really doing some really interesting videos. When did you get started?
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Thanks. Well, I only started the YouTube less than a year ago.
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That’s crazy.
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It’s been a bit of a wild ride.
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I don’t even know how I found it. It was ai one of them YouTube recommends things just popped up, and I, I don’t remember which one it was. It was something on ancient history. Yeah. And I was like,
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oh, alright.
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Yeah. It was cool. I mean, yeah. I started just under a year ago, but no one started watching until, like, March. And then Sai think you sort of see me just after that point, and it’s been a bit of a big, you know, journey since then, upwards. And but it’s been very exciting and very happy to be here today. Very excited to be in Austin. And, ai. I’m looking forward to talk about some ancient history.
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So did you start off on a traditional academic journey and then sort of get sidetracked into a YouTube career? Like, how did this work?
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Yeah. Basically. So I studied ancient history at university for four years, and I’ve always been interested in history. I’ve done history all the way through. Like, I was fascinated ai history as a kid and got to the stage of my life where it was, you know, thinking about going to university.
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So I thought I’ll do ancient history at university and study there for four years, graduated, all of that kind of stuff. But there came a point during my degree where I was kind of you know a little bit I I didn’t quite agree with the kind of high level ideas regarding the timeline of history and what we’re taught about our ancient past.
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And it wasn’t that I dispute anything that I’ve been taught, and I have, like, great respect for the people that I met at university and my professors. And I don’t dispute anything that we were taught actually on the course, but it was more the ai of high level macro perspective of history that I found myself having more and more questions about.
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And yeah. So once What
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what bothered you? Like what were the questions?
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It was kind of the big questions regarding the origins of civilization and how deep civilization goes and how complex human behavior, you know, I thought went way back further into history than what we were being taught. And I wasn’t too I I just didn’t buy this idea that nothing happened for ai vatsal stretch of tyler.
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Because it was during my course that they found the modern humans. They made this discovery in Morocco in 2017 or 2018, I think. And that was when I was at university.
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Was that Dennis Ovens?
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No. No. Homo sapiens. So I can’t remember this. It’s called ai the Jebel Irud site or something like that, but they were modern Homo sapien remains. They thought they were Neanderthal initially because they were so old.
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How old were they?
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They’re 315,000 years old. That’s kind of like the estimate. It goes up to potentially three sixty thousand years old. So they’re super old and, yeah, they thought they were initially Neanderthalics of this age, but then they discovered a few more and they were they classified them as Homo sapien.
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And when I saw that, I was like, how is this not kicking out more of a fuss? Because before them, the oldest Homo sapien remains we had were around 200,000 years old. And that had been the case for like a decade or something. And before that, it was like a 100,000 years old. So this discovery pushed back the age of our species by another third, like a 100,000 years.
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So I saw that and I was thinking like, how are we still basing our kind of idea of history around the fact that nothing happened for, you know, 310,000 and then everything happened in, like, the last, you know, ten thousand years since the Neolithic Revolution. I just thought that was odd because, you know, we’ve been in this anatomically modern form for so long and yet we were being taught that nothing was nothing had happened until, you know, the last ten thousand years and I just that didn’t make sense to me.
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So that’s kind of where, where I started thinking about it and then we did this module at university Ai remember called, it was called something like cataclysms or something. And it was all about how in recorded history, natural disaster had a big impact on human societies and stuff like that.
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And how it small ai tiny changes in climate could massively disrupt human civilization and bring bring them all crashing crashing down. And the case study they used was something called the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Have you ever heard of the Late Bronze Age Collapse? Yes. Yeah.
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It’s when all these, like, powerful influential civilizations at the kind of peak of human progress around 1,000 or simultaneously came crashing down. And no one was quite sure why it was, but the best theory we have is that it’s, like a kind of combination of climate factors, which led to trade disruption, which led to societal unrest.
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And then all these empires like the Hittite Ai, the Syrian Empire, the Palaces of Mycenaean Greece, the Egyptian New Kingdom, all within a twenty to thirty, forty year period all came crashing down the exact same time. And I remember being hooked by that. I was like, that’s so crazy.
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Like, we don’t even know why this happened, but it was like a a half degree changing climate. And so I remember starting to research how, you know, bad a climate had been during history and how bad it had been, like, these big climactic episodes had been during prehistory. And I started thinking, like, wow.
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If that had caused, all these civilizations to collapse, just a tiny half degree change in climate which caused drought which led to those civilizations collapsing. Some of the stuff that had been happening during pre history was so much worse than that. And that got me thinking, like, how do we know that sophisticated human culture hadn’t flourished, you know, ten thousand years ago, twenty thousand years ago, a hundred thousand years ago, two hundred thousand years ago, and collapsed due to climate change or natural disaster, volcanoes, comet impacts, anything like that.
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And that’s sana what sai me on the journey. That along with the, you know, the discovery of the remains in Morocco. And that really got me thinking about the story we’ve told regarding our past and how I wasn’t quite sure. And, yeah, that’s kind of what made me initially ai of break away from the traditional timeline that we were being taught.
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The term prehistory is weird, isn’t it? Because it’s ai according to what what we ai. Yeah. You know, I mean, how do we know what historical? If there was a great cataclysm, ai, if the Younger Dryas Impact Theory is correct, what you know, how much history would be written down? What would be left?
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How would you find it? What would you know? Yeah. You know, we we’re we’re that’s one of the things that disturbs me the most is the arrogance that some academics have to having a definitive understanding of the exact ai of agriculture, civilization, and then modern humans.
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Yeah. It annoys me. I feel like academics sai opposed to the alternative historians are ai more saying, we don’t know, but here’s a potential hypothetical scenario that could be possible. Whereas, I feel like more mainstream for one of a better word. I don’t really like using that because I don’t think there’s such thing as a a mainstream.
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It’s not like there’s a group of people that all collectively sai. But some particularly vocal mainstream kind of historians and scientists seem to claim to know absolute truth about the past, and that’s just stupid. Like, how can anyone know about what happened a hundred thousand years ago or two hundred thousand years ago?
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And it kind of gets gets me a little bit riled up because at the end of the day, none of us know what happened back then. So I think a lot more possibilities are, you know, possible than than what many people appreciate ai yeah.
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Did you ever see there was a a video documentary back in the day, something about the mysteries of
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the
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sphinx. And, there was this archaeologist that was mocking, Graham Hancock’s ideas and doctor Robert Shah ai about the ai saying, you know, talking about things that existed pre 10,000. And he was saying, what he was ai laughing. What evidence is there of any civilization from ten thousand years ago?
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This was literally, I think, around the same time that they discovered Gobekli Tepe. Yeah. Like that that this guy was mocking it. I think slightly thereafter they discovered Gobekli Tepe, which threw everything into a tizzy, because now you’ve got something that was absolutely covered, it they believe intentionally somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 years ago.
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Yeah. I think Gobekli Tepe is the biggest kind of smoking gun for, at least for the idea that civilization is older and more complex than the traditional model suggests because, obviously, as you say, it’s ai 12,000 years old and it’s massive megalithic pillars. Ai, I mean, you know about Gobekli Tepe.
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Probably most people listening to this will know about Gobekli Tepe, but it’s such a clear sign that sophisticated human culture was present way earlier than the conventional timeline suggests. And I think that at least should throw a monkey wrench into a lot of these people’s ideas regarding human civilization and when it began because clearly the toolkit for civilization existed twelve thousand years ago.
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So how why couldn’t it have existed a little bit earlier than that? And why if it existed then, did it then take another six thousand years for it to emerge in ancient Sumer, which is the ai of traditional thought to be the earliest civilization. So Gobekli Tepe is fascinating. I love it. It’s a really interesting site. I think it will one day be classed as civilization.
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I’m almost certain that when enough time passes, we’ll kind of look at that. And but because it’s a whole culture, the whole Tashtepeller culture. There’s ai 14 sites at least. And they all have this kind of megalithic architecture. They all have shared symbolism. They all clearly connected.
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They’re ai, it’s crazy how it’s not defined as anything other than hunter gatherers. And if even if you think that hunter gatherers built Gobekli Tepe, then you need to massively update the definition of what a hunter gatherer is because clearly they had surplus. They weren’t just building these sites in their spare time. And, yeah, it’s it’s a truly paradigm shifting site.
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But I mean I mean, everyone kind of knows about Gobekli Teppi now.
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But not everyone. But but also sai spectacular as what they’ve discovered so far is, they have only unearthed 5% of it, which is even more bizarre.
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Yeah.
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Because you’ve got so much stuff that’s underground. You have no idea what’s on those pillars. You know, there’s speculation that one of the pillars from Gobekli Tepe that is unearthed is some sort of a calendar of events. And they believe that it depicts some sort of a disaster, like that these whatever how they they’re making these images to be associated with either an impact or something, but there’s a ai that’s inscribed in these pillars.
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Yeah. They there’s ai a a study that was written or a paper that was bryden, and they think it’s the Pillar 43, I think it is. There’s kind of ai a cosmic calendar, and it’s like a almost a prediction model of, an impact that could happen or already has happened and there is ai a warning for the future.
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That, I mean, that is still disputed ai, I mean, there’s been good research that’s done into that that suggests that’s what it is. And it’s certainly a site that has cosmic alignments and has been built with the the stars in mind, which is something that we can say about so many ancient sites around the world, which is another thing that isn’t really considered by, you know, quote unquote mainstream archaeology perhaps as much as it should be.
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So, yeah, it’s a fascinating ai, and I really think it displays a lot about how human ingenuity and civilization for I mean, people get a bit stuck with the word civilization because we have this a very narrow definition of what civilization is. And it’s Right. Basically based on the old model of Mesopotamia which is ancient Sumer because that was the earliest known civilization for so long we ai of constructed this whole idea about what a civilization is purely based on Mesopotamia.
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But I don’t see why that has to be what civilization is because that was just one civilization. And just because that was the earliest one we’d found for a long time and still is thought of as such, doesn’t mean that that’s the only way that humanity can flourish because humans are so adaptable.
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We do so many different things and we’re clever in different ways and we, you know, change the different ai. And I think that definition has really kept a lot of people kind of boxed in when thinking about how sophisticated human culture could flourish in different places, in different environments, and with different pressures.
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And I think that’s kind of forced people to not consider what other possibilities are, are out there.
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I think it’s even more fascinating if you consider the fact that ancient Sumer and, you know, that that part of the world from about 6,000 ago is where they’re sort of hanging their hat, saying that this is the birthplace of civilization. But if you do have this evidence of Gobekli Tepe, and then we are talking about some sort of an ancient civilization that lived twelve thousand years ago, like, what happened?
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What happened? Like, what was the gap between that and then it took six thousand years before they started civilization back up again, sort of a reimagining of civilization, which makes you really at least makes me really consider the possibility of a cataclysm because if the people that survived, whatever they would be, you know, I mean, they would probably be living off the land.
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They’d probably be barely getting by and barbaric for a long, long time. And if it really took six thousand years to kinda, like, settle down again, that is fascinating to me.
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Yeah. And it it all ties into this idea that we’ve had that agriculture leads to civilization, but there’s that bizarre thing that, you know, agriculture appears in multiple different places at pretty much the exact same time all over the world. And that’s never made sense to me because if agriculture was such a ai of vital invention for civilization to flourish, then why did no one invent it for, you know, three hundred and ten thousand years?
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Right.
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And then in South America, in Mesopotamia, in ancient Ai, and you could argue there’s other different places that let’s say there’s, like, South America and there’s Central America. I mean, you could argue that’s potentially connected, but a lot of people say it isn’t. So how can agriculture, if it’s such a incredible invention, be invented by multiple people at the same time and then but no one else thought of it before?
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It doesn’t it doesn’t make sense to me.
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It doesn’t make any sense. It doesn’t make any sense they wouldn’t figure out seeds. Mhmm. Like, how how do you not know eventually that these seeds are dropping, and then you see seedlings that are coming out of the ground? Just that seems pretty logical and, an easy connection.
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And then you’d say, oh, well, if we gather these seeds and go plant them over there, you know, maybe we can get some fruit trees over here. Yeah. Oh, look at that. It worked. Like, that doesn’t that seems like you’d figure that out in one lifetime.
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I know. It’s odd. But I think I think the idea is the idea always has been that it’s because of the climate. Right? Sai because of the Holocene, which is which began around December ago, as we came out of that and we had ai of stable climate conditions that we still live ai today, that’s what enabled the invention of agriculture.
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Right? But then the question I always ask is, well, what about all the other warm periods that have come in the past? If as the idea is that, you know, stable climate led to agriculture, then why couldn’t such a thing have happened in the Eemian period a hundred and twenty thousand years ago?
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There’s been four distinct warm periods that have lasted for, like, over ten thousand years ai modern humans have been around at least. And, obviously, these Morocca remains of Homo sapiens, it’s unlikely they’re the earliest Homo sapiens that ever lived. They’re just the earliest we found. So Right.
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We could be even older than that. So considering we’ve been through four distinct warm periods before the Holocene, and if the argument is that the Holocene was what led to the invention of agriculture due to the stable climate, then why couldn’t it have happened in the earlier warm periods?
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That’s the that’s the question I’ve always asked myself and been fascinated by. But
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And the real problem is there would be very little evidence, if any.
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Yeah. So this is the preservation problem, and this is something I talk about in my videos. So I kind of always ask the question, like, what if, human culture had flourished in the Eemian, for example, which was from a 130 to a 115,000 years ago? What realistically would survive?
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Because it’s it’s such a vast vast length of time that it’s really unlikely at least as far as I can tell and obviously I’m not a ai. I’m not like a you know a material. Sai I’m not any kind of I’m just a guy. I’m not even a historian technically. But as far as I can tell, it’s extremely hard for these for any materials, but even our modern materials in our huge civilization that, you know, 8,000,000,000 people industrial society sending rockets to speak, you know, all the crazy stuff that we’re doing.
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Even us, if we disappear tomorrow, I think it would be extremely unlikely that pretty much anything would survive when you get up to these huge ai of, like, a 100,000. And ai I’ve been doing quite a lot of, you know, research into this. Because I don’t I obviously don’t wanna, you know, get things wrong and put falsehoods out there and mislead people.
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I don’t wanna look like a a dickhead in front of, like Right. Like millions of people or whatever. So I’ve been trying to, like, you know, debunk myself or play devil’s advocate to myself on this point because, you know, that’s the best way to make your argument ai, and no one’s really out there debunking me.
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I don’t know if that’s because I’m right or because, like, no one knows me. Maybe that would change after a show like this, but I’ve been really looking into the ai of degradation of modern materials as much as I can and trying to work out how much would survive from a civilization like ours if we disappeared tomorrow in a 100,000 time.
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So if you Right.
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Like some place like London or Manhattan. Like Yeah. Yeah. What would be left in a hundred thousand years?
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Yeah. Of ai an actual modern city. And the scary truth is it’s it’s almost nothing. Like, there are Really? As As far as I can tell and obviously
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The cement buildings, they would just deteriorate?
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They would go they would go ai concrete would crack and you meh c o two in there and freeze the weathering. And over these huge ai scales of, like, five thousand years, ten thousand years, they would just crumble down into dust and be absolutely imperceptible.
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Just ten thousand ai?
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I think so. Obviously, these I mean, I’m just doing this off the top of my head. I haven’t got any notes in front of me or anything. But as far as I could tell from my research, it’s gonna be a few ai ten thousand years, twenty thousand years max. It’s not gonna get up to these ai scales of a hundred thousand years.
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So if you do add in if you you think about what Manhattan would look like in a hundred thousand years, it’s almost nothing.
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I would say it was nothing
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to be honest. Nothing.
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And it
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would just get overrun by trees again?
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Yeah. Because there’s just there’s it’s just such an incredible amount of time that all these materials that we build with are just gonna corrode, and they’re gonna they’re gonna rust away. If their metals, they’re gonna oxidize. They’re gonna flake until they’re just tiny little fragments that just disperse in the sedimentary record, and they’re just invisible to see.
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And same with concrete, same with even things like glass. I’ve heard a lot of people say that glass would potentially survive because glass is a, you know, it’s a very durable material, and glass would survive a long time. But glass in the form of a human made ai artifact isn’t gonna survive in that form. It’s gonna get crushed.
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It’s gonna break away into tiny little nano fragments into silica grains that are just invisible in the kind of archaeological record when you get up to these huge levels of time. And Yeah. I mean, there’s oh, I would say almost nothing would survive that long. And again, with the caveat that I’m just some random dude who’s investigated this on the Internet and researched this ai, not a scientist.
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If anyone out there is a material scientist, I’d encourage them to reach out to meh. But as far as I can tell, there are very few things that could possibly survive that long. I mean, we’re pretty crazy fucking apes. Like, we do crazy shit. So things like nuclear weapons. Like, we test nuclear weapons in the atmosphere.
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You could argue if we knew when to look and what to look for, we could see traces of plutonium in the atmosphere from our nuclear weapons testing or you could see our nuclear waste deposits. Or things like carved stone because stone obviously survives a very long time. Human carved saloni, you’d be able to find that. But we do find that.
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We find, you know, stone tools. But just because ancient humans used stone tools doesn’t mean they didn’t use anything else. It’s just stone is the most likely thing to survive. And the crazy thing is, like, do you Joe, do you know how many sites we have, homo sapien sites ram more than a 100,000 years ago?
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How many?
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Nine. We have nine sai, nine glimpses, nine snapshots into over 200,000 of history, nine moments in tyler, and we use that to extrapolate out what every single human was doing for Nine globally. Nine globally.
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Like, what is the evidence?
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It’s usually caves, and it’s usually just, you know, remains of fire pits and stone tools. And that’s kind of it. And so we see that and we think, okay. They just lived in caves and used stone tools. Right. But it’s nine sai, nine moments in time for 200,000 years.
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Well, the problem is there’s people that essentially live like that right now in some parts of the world, which is really weird. Right? Because we always sana think about technology and advancement of civilization being sort of universal, but it’s really not. You know, there’s people that are living a subsistence lifestyle right now. There’s people that are uncontacted right now.
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At the same time as Elon Musk sending these rockets to Mars and shit.
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Yeah. Right. I mean, that that’s the weirdest ones is when you see them get invaded in the Amazon. When you see them contact these people and they’re pointing bows and arrows at helicopters. Yeah. And, you know, they’re naked.
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Yeah. Exactly. We’re so adaptable. Humans can do so many different things. Yeah. And as you sai, right now, we’re sending rockets to space and people are living in very traditional ways of ai. And that just because we find traditional ways of life in, I repeat, nine sites to cover two hundred thousand years.
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In my view that’s just what we can see that’s just the that kind of points to my point of regarding what would possibly survive because
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if you
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think of all the human lives, stories, cultures that have potentially existed for our whole species existence, if we only have nine little glimpses from and to be fair that nine is you could say it’s up to 15 because there’s some sites shah debated. But either way, it’s a tiny tiny tiny amount of human, you know, signs of human life.
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Just because in that in that fragment, in that snapshot, in that sliver, all we see is some humans with stone tools in caves, doesn’t mean that nothing else was happening. So
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Well, a good piece of evidence to that that would point in that direction is Egypt. Because Egypt even if you accept the conventional timeline of Egypt, which is February for the Great Pyramid, go look at the rest of the world at February. You don’t see anything like that. Nothing even close.
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23:48
Yeah. They were clearly even if you kind of look at the conventional model of history, the ancient Egyptians were wildly ahead of everyone. Everyone. It’s just so weird. It’s like So weird. And that’s that’s if you and the conventional model doesn’t really give us any explanations of how
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they were doing what they were doing. And arrogantly dismiss any other explanations, which is really weird. When you’re talking about these immense structures that are baffling Yeah. Absolutely baffling to anybody who’s being honest.
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Yeah.
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What is your take on these Italian researchers that are looking at the tomography and they’re looking at these things that they believe are underneath the Great Pyramid and some other structures in Egypt?
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Yeah. The ai, the what’s it called? Like, SARS Toppler? I mean, I don’t know. I’m I’m always a little bit suspicious when you make sensationalist claims with new technology, and that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I just that just kind of
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reminds ai. Because it’s bonkers. He’s crazy. What they’re saying is two kilometers deep underneath the Great Pyramid, there are structures, And there’s hundreds of meters of these pylons, these pillars that are in uniform positions with some sort of a coil wrapped under around them.
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Ai.
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Like,
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what what is that? What is that real? And they they reproduce it in multiple different scans, but I don’t know what they’re seeing. I don’t understand the technology. I understand where the errors could be. Like, what what could possibly cause it to glitch like that?
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Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. Ai would love it to be true, obviously, because, you know I would love it. You imagine.
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That’s the problem. The problem is the same problem that I have with UFOs and everything else.
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You want it to be true?
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A 100%. So it really clouds my judgment. And then I have to get my, you know, analytical mind to sai, shut up. Yeah. Let’s look at this honestly.
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But Ai meh, I think that I mean, there’s definitely something below the Giza Plateau. Like, that that’s always been written about in ancient sources and these these kind of scans and then people ai do you have stories of people going down into labyrinths that aren’t, you know, accepted by Egyptology?
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And there’s definitely massive mysteries surrounding Giza and the construction of the pyramids and what could potentially be below the pyramids. And this ai of new, pyramid scan project has the potential, I think, to, you know, make big progress in understanding what is below Giza. But Ai don’t know.
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Until there’s better data out there, I ram not gonna, you know, jump to any conclusions and declare that this is, like, evidence of, you know, a lost advanced technology civilization or
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anything like that. But I am so excited about just the possibility that they’re right. Because if they are right, that throw that’s the greatest monkey wrench into history that’s ever existed. Because explain away that Yeah. With ancient people with stone tools and or copper. Like, explain that away.
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They probably ai, mate, because it already doesn’t make sense how their their explanation for the construction of the pyramids being wooden sledges and and stone chisels or or whatever they say. It already doesn’t make sense. It’s already so ridiculous that I wouldn’t even be surprised if they bryden to explain away these pieces
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of stone. Them. Because the problem is, if it does indicate that the pyramid is something other than a tomb, you know
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There’s not I don’t even see any evidence that the Great Pyramid At Giza I mean what’s the evidence that that was a tomb? I meh, did they I don’t think they’ve ever found a body in there? No. It’s just a chamber which they’ve called the King’s Chamber. Right. I mean I’m not an expert in ancient Egypt by any respect but, it’s always baffled me that they’re so determined that the pyramids are tombs just because some later pyramids have had, you know, mummies and pharaohs and sarcophagi found inside them.
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But
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That doesn’t mean anything, and that that doesn’t mean that they built it. That also could mean that the pharaoh decided that it was his and wanted to be buried inside of it, and it had existed for thousands of years before they ever even got there.
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And you can you find bodies in, like, you know, buildings today, and that doesn’t mean the purpose of that building was to be a tomb. Right. It’s just someone’s buried there. Sai someone yeah. As you say, it
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was weird assumption. It’s a very weird assumption. And did you ever read any Christopher, what Christopher Dunn. Yeah. Christopher Dunn’s work.
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I know a bit I haven’t read his book, but I know a bit about it. And it’s interesting. I mean, he’s like a serious guy, isn’t he? He’s An engineer. Exactly. And he has quite serious theories that
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He thinks it’s a power plant.
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Yeah. Which would be crazy, wouldn’t it?
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Especially if you you add into that the Graham Hancock’s ideas and some of these other people’s ideas that perhaps some of these structures are far older.
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Well, the kind of Ai correlation and the Sphinx,
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what Also the fact that the the deeper you go into the sand, the more sophisticated the building techniques are. Yeah. That gets weird. Like, larger stones, like, what happened?
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The whole of, like, ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in general just doesn’t make sense to me because when you look at the Sahara Desert and the fact that it was green for nine thousand years, and then it stopped being green at precisely the time that we’re told ancient Egypt emerged. Well, that doesn’t make sense. That defies how civilization works. Why would a civilization only emerge after the climate got worse? Like Right.
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That doesn’t make sense at all. Like And so little research done on Sai Saharan Africa where they’ve actually gone into the ground and done, like, large scale research of these immense areas.
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Nothing. Nothing. The Sahara Desert is vast and obviously covered in sand and extremely hot, extremely difficult to survey, politically unstable, and there’s basically been no archaeological work done across the whole. And the Sahara Desert is massive. It’s like the whole of North Africa ai down to Right.
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I mean, it’s massive and
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You could fit The United States in there.
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Fit anything in there ai a whole, like, preceding civilization for nine thousand years leading up to ancient Egypt. Like, it’s the perfect place. It’s right by Mesopotamia. It’s right by Egypt. And yet we have this blank spot for the nine thousand years before the development of civilization, which is kind of also the gap between I mean, it’s a little bit less than this, but the gap between Gobekli Tepe and the birth of civilization.
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We have this huge area which would have been perfect for civilization full of rivers, lakes, grasslands, perfect ai, and it’s just missing.
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Also bryden resources where they could establish a stable civilization because they had so much food and and they weren’t being attacked sai they could kind of set up shop and figure some things out Yeah. Over a long period of time.
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Yeah. So my theory is that things were happening in the Sahara Desert when it was green, in the Green Sahara for those nine thousand years. And then because it was really quick, that’s what I don’t think people realize is that when the Sahara Desert turned from, you know, green lush paradise, whatever you sana call it, to a desert, it was like a few centuries.
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It’s called rapid desertification and it it flipped or not ai, obviously, but in a few centuries compared to nine thousand years is a rapid change. And for any kind of culture that was living there, you wouldn’t have noticed it straight away, but in fifty years, you’d be like, fuck.
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It’s getting a bit hot here. You know what I mean? Like, shit is going on. And then something I think maybe people migrated to the last stretch of green that was still available to them, which was the Nile River. And then the kind of survivors or the migratory populations developed around the Nile River and using the kind of experience and knowledge that they had from their lives and the ai of history of their cultures in the Green Sahara period, that is what led to ancient Egypt.
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I mean, that’s just a
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Well, it’s also just an assumption that ancient Egypt didn’t exist alongside that or or even previous to that, which is also possible, especially when you consider what Robert Chalk thinks about the erosion, the water erosion in the temple Of the Sphinx.
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Yeah. The kind of explanation away of that also never made sense to me that it’s wind and sand because when you see pictures of the Sphinx even from when they kind of found it in Napoleonic ai, it’s buried in sand.
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Right.
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And there’s records from the Egyptians themselves who, you know, took, excavated it effectively because it was covered in sand. So if it quickly gets covered in sand, how could it be eroded by wind and sand if it doesn’t take very long for it to, you know, kinda get filled up with sana?
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And then how does wind and sand erosion even count? I’ve never seen anyone kind of explain that away.
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Well, though, it’s the walls that are the most fascinating to me because the the deep fissures that clearly look like rainfall. It looks like something that water does over thousands of years. Yeah. You know? And when you Those whales that
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were the whale the Valley Of The Whales? Yeah. It’s just about I don’t know how many miles south, but it’s South Of Cairo.
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That’s bonkers crazy. They find whales. Hundreds of whales in the desert. That’s so great. Look at that image. That’s so nuts. That is so nuts.
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Some of them had teeth and toes.
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Sai crazy. So crazy. And then, it’s it makes you wonder, like, how did those bones survive? Like, why why are they there? Like, how quickly did they die? How quickly did they get covered up by sediment that they could find them all these years later? Because that’s the the weird thing about fossils and bones in general, is that most of them, you’re never going to find because they get eaten, they they deteriorate, they they’re gone.
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Like, it’s very difficult to make a fossil. You know, when you you think about our, you know, quote unquote fossil record, it’s really weird because it’s hard to make a fossil. Yeah. So we’re dealing with a very small amount of beings that get turned into a vatsal, and that is what we’re using as our understanding of, like, life. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s weird. It is weird. It is weird. Because it’s so limited.
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I’m not sure when was the do you know when the Sahara was covered in water? I’m not even sure ai that was. I mean, some people say that there’s, like, a mass flood during the ai of Younger Dryas period, which I think is
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I think they’re talking about millions of years ago for these bones. How old are these, whale bones supposed to be? But I think millions of years ago, it’s assumed that it was completely underwater. Right? So are we talking, like, Pangea times? Like, what are we talking about then?
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But even, not too long ago, like, you know, kind of 12,000 years ago, whatever, they had these massive, river systems, like the Tamanrasset River system.
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Here it is. They are 40,000,000 years old.
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Yeah. 40,000,000 years old. I don’t
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know about the whales.
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Oh ai god. Primitive whales. Primitive whales documenting how do you say that word? Cetacean? How do you say that word? Cetacean transition? Is that how you say it?
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I don’t know. Ai don’t know.
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Cetacean transition to marine life, cerinians and ai, as well as shark teeth ram the, Genahan formation 40 41,000,000 years ago. The strata in I don’t sai that either. Wad Meh Hittan, belongs to Middle Eocene Epoch, and it contains extensive vertebrae fossils within a 200 kilometer area.
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Fossils are present in high numbers and often show excellent quality of preservation. The most conspicuous fossils are skeletons and bones of whales and sea cows.
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What’s what’s a sea cow?
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I don’t know.
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What’s a manatee?
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You ever see the the precursor to whales, like, where whales came from?
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No. Where did they come from?
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It was an ancient animal that was like a almost like a a hooved wolf. What? Sea sea animal?
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No. You mean Oh, so they were
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land animal. That’s why they breathe air.
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Oh, of course. They’re mammals, aren’t they?
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Yeah. That’s weird. It’s super weird. It’s super weird. It was some animal that supposedly lived on land and it’s real freaky looking, almost kinda ai dog like. Yeah. And that thing eventually It came away. I just like swimming.
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Meh me get back to
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the sea. And then one day, it sai, I’m never going back to the land. It’s filled with assholes. Ai just gonna live out here in the ocean where you all you have to contend with is sharks.
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This article calls it the god of death whale.
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Wow. That’s what it looks like. That’s what it looks like. Ai pretty terrible. But there’s some images of it on land, some depictions. Yeah. That’s what it looked like. That freaky thing was what whales came from. That thing walked around the ground, and then eventually sai,
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If it’s 40,000,000 years ago, is that what those skeletons are then? Maybe?
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Interesting. Some of them maybe. Right? Because they do know the thing it was when whales walked in Egypt. Wow. I was watching, I think I don’t remember whose podcast it was. I wish I could remember. But they were we were talking to some guy that found definitive evidence of dinosaurs in Egypt.
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So if you go back far enough, there were dinosaurs living in that part of the world as well. What’s that one image you just saw right there with the the mouth open? Yeah. That one. That’s crazy looking. Prehistoric whale ancestor. Look at that thing. Woah. That’s crazy.
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It is here’s the sea cows. What? This one of this image says a prehistoric sea cow was killed by a prehistoric croc. Wow. Than eaten by a tiger shark. Sai don’t know. Boy.
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Life is hard where there’s no doors. That’s the problem with the ocean. There’s no doors. There’s nowhere to hide. Yeah. You’re spotless. Constant chaos. It is just constant things eating things in this three d space where they can go up and down and side to side and
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That’s just nature, isn’t it?
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Ai, I
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feel just killing everything else. Sana
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We made it.
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But we figured out doors.
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We did.
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We figured out walls and doors, and that changed the game.
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But when did we do that, Joe? That’s the question. That is the question. Sai lot of people would claim to think, and the kind of consensus always is that we didn’t do that until twelve thousand years ago. We didn’t settle down and form permanent communities until the Neolithic revolution.
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And Sai think that’s one of the major paradigms, if you like, that we have regarding our past that simply doesn’t make sense in light of new evidence. And I just
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What is that evidence that they found of wood construction from far longer than they thought?
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Yeah. This is the Colombo structure. And this is something I talk about a lot in my videos because I think it’s a crazy ai, and I don’t understand why it’s not kicking up more of a fuss. Like, if I’m the guy that has to kick up the fuss about it then I’ll be that guy because because basically we’ve the idea has always been that humans were nomadic hunter gatherers that move with the seasons and lived in caves or just kind of walked around for all of our history until the neolithic revolution, the invention of agriculture 12,000 ago.
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And no early than that did we ever settle down and live in permanent settlements. But the Kalabo structure was something they found a few years ago in modern day Zambia. And what it is is this these pieces of wood and I’ll get to the point about why this wood has survived, in a minute because obviously, you know, wood surviving this long is crazy.
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But there you go. Meh. So the combo structure is these pieces of wood that have been joined together deliberately, cut in notches and connected together, tapered, and secured at right angles. And they think it was either a kind of raised walkway, like a kind of raised platform or a house, a dwelling, a hut, some kind of structure.
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And why this is so paradigm shifting is because not only does this ai of ram that humans potentially lived in permanent settlement. So sorry. I haven’t even said this. This is 476,000 years old. So this predates Homo sapiens.
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So
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Allegedly.
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Allegedly. As in what you mean allegedly? Oh, because
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we Because we Yeah. Exactly. Recently found out that they ai 300,000.
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I guess, yeah, it could have been us. But what they they had attributes it to is Homo hadalbergensis, who’s our last common ancestor with, Neanderthals. So they’re kind of the human species that came before Homo sapiens. So I guess you’re right. It could have been Homo sapiens, and we’re just not sure how old we are. But it’s, Look at that. It’s kinda attributed to Homo hadobogensis.
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And the only reason this structure survived at all is because pretty soon after its construction, it must have fallen into a bog. And then that bog kinda got solidified over by the sana, and then it was preserved in waterlogged sediment, which protected it to from decay for almost half a million years until it was discovered by us recently.
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And How recent? Ai think about five years ago maybe. Was it 2019 or something? I’m not ai% sure. But, I mean, it’s crazy.
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It’s So Last of the
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monkey wrench.
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Yeah. I would say it’s a massive monkey wrench because not only does it kinda really dispute this idea that we didn’t settle down until, you know, twelve thousand years ago with the Neolithic revolution. Because I mean, it’s a it’s a structure. I mean, and it’s just because it’s so ai, it’s so unbelievable that this would have ai.
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But that kinda suggests that it’s it’s not the only one.
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Right.
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There could have been loads of these, like structures everywhere.
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And as you said, man Manhattan Yeah. Wouldn’t live wouldn’t exist in a 100,000. So this is four hundred and seventy six thousand years. Yeah.
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It’s ridiculous.
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And it’s just wood, which is less durable Yeah. Than all the other things that we were talking about.
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Yeah. And obviously, people may be saying, well, look, clearly things ai. But this is an extreme edge case scenario where it’s it’s, like, so unbelievably unlikely that this wooden structure would ai sink into a bog and then that bog be, you know, solidified over and then it would stay in that preserved like it’s a And
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then that they would find it.
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And then they they would find it. Exactly. Because, you know, what
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476,000 years into the sediment.
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Yeah. Exactly. Because we don’t dig that far and look for anything sophisticated because we think, you know, nothing happened back then. And then Right. You find this and it really suggests that humans will live in a much more complex ai. And they I mean, they the fact that they had the cognitive capacity to plan, structurally engineer, and build a structure completely flies in the face of what we’ve always thought about ancient humans.
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Because we’ve always had this idea that there’s been this very popular idea in in kind of mainstream historical thought that humans only got smart around fifty to sixty thousand years ago. And that’s just homo sapiens. We’ve always thought the other human species never got smart, never achieved what we call behavioral modernity.
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And this has always been the kind of idea that we went through this cognitive revolution around fifty to sixty thousand years ago. And the the most obvious proponent of how entrenched this is in kind of academic thought is have you ever read the book Sapiens? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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By Yuval Noah Harari. It’s an extremely popular book. It sold something like 60,000,000 copies worldwide. By far the most popular book about prehistory and, you know, the story of Homo sapiens ever bryden. And sapiens didn’t kinda do anything new.
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It didn’t, I think Harari himself would admit this. It it didn’t it didn’t it it it ai just collected the consensus of academia and presented it in a nice digestible way to the ai layman audience. But he took this idea that’s always been present in academia regarding human intelligence, which is that while we’ve been around for quite a long time, we didn’t achieve behavioral modernity until fifty to sixty thousand years ago.
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And that’s when we started apparently displaying complex cognitive traits ai abstract thinking and planning and bearing our dead and Art. Art. Yeah. Exactly. And complex language and things like that.
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And but this just completely flies in the face of that because if we had the capability to plan, construct, and engineer a structure 476,000 ago, that means the, you know, mainstream anthropology was off by over four hundred thousand years regarding the advent of intelligence and the advent of permanent living.
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And that’s Sai ai, that’s quite the error. 400,000. Exactly. So that kind of suggests they could be off by similar margins about other developmental claims because I don’t know. It’s a big big error.
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Well, it’s also when you think about the history of the Earth, there are times that we know that there was like, there’s great bottlenecks that occurred because of some sort of a massive natural catastrophe, like the Toba Volcano. Yeah. Ai? The Toba Volcano, which was seventy seventy thousand years ago. Was that what it was? The survival. Yeah. Brought people down to a few thousand survivors Yeah.
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On Earth. Yeah. And there’s loads of these bottlenecks Yeah. And you look at our ai of genetic history. And I mean, does that suggest that something happened?
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Right. Well well, when you’re thinking about what evidence there is, and then you think about, well, there’s no one left except a few thousand people seventy thousand years ago. So it’s possible that there’s been this rise of some sort of a civilization and then massive catastrophe and a rebuilding.
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Just like if we’re talking about the Younger Dryas, which is in this time period, we’re talking about, you know, when you’re dealing with April ago, fairly recent. Right?
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Very young.
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Right. Yeah. And think about the six thousand years it took for civilization to reemerge from that. Now you think of Toba, and you’ve knocked down the entire population of the planet to what did they think it was? See if you could find out what the number was. I think it was very low. I think it was below 3,000 people on Earth. Yeah. On Earth. Yeah.
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Just a region of the people. One massive super volcano, which is, by the way, just like Yellowstone. Yeah.
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There’s lots. It could it could all happen again.
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That motherfucker is bubbling too. Here it is. Potentially, almost all of humanity leaving around 3,000 to 10,000 humans left on the planet. That’s crazy.
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Wow. And supervolcano isn’t the only thing. There’s so many others.
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What time period is this, Jeremy? Seventy four thousand years ago. So that’s quite recent
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Yeah. In terms of our story.
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Well, in terms of your theory that I thought was one of the most interesting ones that you brought up, that in your videos, you were talking about how anatomical humans just based on what we’ve agreed to, based on what we found 300,000, like, what are the possibilities that there have been civilizations that emerged and were destroyed and then there’s no evidence of them?
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Yeah. Because Sai ai, aside from the preservation problem which we kind of already talked talked about when you get up to these massive time scales, you know, very little is sana ai. Especially when you think about what early humans were likely building with.
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Yes.
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Like, it’s probably the things they could find in their environment. Ai wood, hide, plant remains.
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You have nothing left. Nothing. Just look at what we know about the Amazon now. Yeah. Because of ai and because of, you know, what is his name? Percy? Faucet. Percy Fawcett. Because these people that made these journeys down there looking for these complex civilizations that at one point in time, now we know did exist there.
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Yeah.
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And just a hundred years later, they called those people liars because they went back to the same place and there was nothing left.
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Yeah. And so that’s always been, you know, thought of as as myth or or pseudoscience ai that it’s kind of the most popular idea of lost civilizations with civilizations of the Amazon, and it was always dismissed.
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Well, here’s what’s really crazy. Have you seen Detroit? Have you seen the evidence of Detroit where trees are going through houses?
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And that’s like fifty years less.
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Yes. Of course. Or if you
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look at Chernobyl, the the kind of exclusion zone where no one lives, it’s already like trees everywhere and like nature is already taking root after less than half a century.
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Yeah. Bizarre.
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And then you a 100,000. That’s seriously what’s sana be left.
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Very, very little. And then if you go 200,000 years I mean, if if anatomically modern humans, if the we’ve discovered them at 300,000 years, what if somebody digs one up that’s 2,000,000 years old? Then what do you do? Then then you gotta go, oh, boy. Oh, boy. Well, then there’s also the this thought that Neanderthals were stupid.
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They’re kind of abandoning that now too. They’re thinking they had language, they had tools, they had society.
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They definitely did. There’s so much evident. And this ai of puts into their cognitive revolution argument, which is, you know, that we were the only smart speak. Like our name that we gave ourselves homo sapiens literally means smart man. It’s always been the idea that we’re the smartest humans and that’s why we won.
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And to be fair we did win.
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We did win. Win whatever you wanna do. We might just be the most evil.
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Yeah. We aren’t the most evil. We just might be the luckiest ones, you know?
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Well, we’re the weakest, so we probably had to be evil.
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That’s true.
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We had to figure out weapons that were would be able to defeat the Neanderthals who had, by the way, larger brain capacities.
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I think they were just as intelligent as us, to
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be honest. That’s nuts.
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Well, I I mean, that’s a that’s that’s a claim that probably some people would dispute, but I think there’s lots of evidence that they were very smart. And
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Well, necessity is the mother of invention. Right? And if you’re physically weaker than these other things that are as intelligent as you and far stronger Yeah. Like, you gotta you gotta get devious. You gotta figure some stuff out.
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But, like, did we even I mean, either I mean, maybe they got wiped out by something like disease, or did they even get wiped out? Because if you even look at the DNA of non African humans, it’s something like twenty percent in some populations is Neanderthal. Sai Yes. They’re they’re kinda still here.
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Well, they just sort of interbred. Yeah. Yeah. Which is also weird because most species can’t breed with other species. Yeah. Just, you know
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But we are very I mean, we’re very closely related to Neanderthals.
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Yeah. It’s weird. The the whole history of humans is weird. And for academics to deny this possibility, to meh, seems so shortsighted. I know. It will change. Silly.
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I think we’re on the brink of quite a massive shift in our perspective regarding ai.
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Too. And I think it has to happen where I don’t mean to say this to be cruel, but they the old people have to die.
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And it’s that quote, isn’t it? Science advances one funeral at a time. Yeah. I I hope it doesn’t take that long, though, to be honest, Joe. I hope it I hope it’s just in the next few years.
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Well, the good thing is a lot of scientists don’t take care of themselves. So Which is also weird. When you see super intelligent people that are obese and eat terrible food, the
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Or health experts that are are such.
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Yes. Air quote health experts, not real ones. But it is, to meh, a a great disservice. And one of the things that I find, very promising is that a lot of young academics are embracing a lot of alternative ai, whether quietly or whether they’re doing it publicly.
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Yeah. Well, I think the advent of the Internet, and, you know, shows like this or the medium of podcasting has really kind of democratized the access to information and allowed people with theories that potentially wouldn’t have been able to get out there in the the pre internet age where they were kind of you had to go through a ai of academic institution to get a theory heard or debated.
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Now anyone can say anything for better or worse and that can you know reach millions of people and then if it’s an idea that’s popular then it can kind of be in the public eye and then it can be debated properly. And I think that’s only a good thing. Obviously there are negative aspects to that. But I think that will increase you know, ideas regarding prehistory, for example.
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I think it will increase the rate in which these things will get accepted because once the evidence is out there and once you start, you know, talking about the Colombo structure, for example, and how it completely flies in the face of both these paradigms regarding permanent living and human intelligence.
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It’s out there now. People can look it up and people can see that this is completely kind of opposed to what we’ve always been taught regarding prehistory. And
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And isn’t it kind of arrogant to assume that they know who built it too? That’s weird too because they did it basing it on this assumption that human beings didn’t exist back then. At least, Homo sapiens didn’t exist back then, which is also being challenged That’s true. Over and over and over again.
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Yeah. The the fact they based on vatsal bogensis is literally just because we found some hadal bogensis remains, like, 200 kilometers away. And they’re like, okay. Well, it’s hadal bogensis. I mean, it could have been, to be fair.
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51:56
But It could have been. But, I mean, right now, there’s people that are living in Africa, and 200 kilometers away from them are apes. Yeah. So if one day they found structures, you know, in the future, sai, oh, these are being made by chimpanzees.
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Yeah.
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That’s kind of crazy.
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Yeah. It’s kinda I mean, that’s the thing about history is it’s all based on massive assumptions. It’s not like a hard science. It’s interpreting evidence, and that’s fine. Like, that’s how we do it. But Sure. That’s why I don’t get It’s the
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only way to do it right now.
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It’s the only way to do it. So that’s why I don’t get why people make these definitive conclusions and then don’t allow anybody to kind of speculate or hypothesize about anything else.
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It’s gatekeeping. Yeah. It’s gatekeeping. It’s academic gatekeeping. It’s also these these people that have been teaching this one thing forever being threatened by the fact they were wrong. The last thing an academic wants wants to hear is, like, you wrote this book Mhmm. This stupid book. This book misled people for decades. You were so wrong.
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Like, they will fight it with every ounce of their being because it’s essentially their identity. Their identity is being the gatekeeper of their understanding of human history.
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Yeah. They built a whole career around it and they’ve, you know, as you say, it’s their identity. They’ve been the knowledge the keeper of knowledge on a particular subject and then
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But it’s gross because it’s ours. It’s the whole planet. It’s all the human beings. It’s ai for do you have a few nerds who you wouldn’t wanna hang out with in real ai? And these are the guys that are telling us, we we can’t explore these things. And those are the people that are attacking Graham Hancock with every possible insult, calling it the most dangerous show on television.
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Like this, But it’s also it’s it’s so revealing because it’s so obvious that if you watch the show, you’re like, wait, this is the most dangerous show on TV?
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Yeah. Asian apocalypse.
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Yeah. Like, how is it dangerous? He’s ai, just talking about these bizarre structures that exist that seem to defy our modern understanding of how things are built.
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Yeah. And when I I mean, I don’t agree with absolutely everything Graham Hancock sai, but when I look at, you know, these ideas of, you know, human intelligence potentially stretching back 500,000 years as displayed by the Colombo structure or permanent living. And I would argue that it could go back a lot further than that.
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So when you look at when you kind of take into account that these abilities could have stretched back half a million years, When I then look at someone like Graham’s work, it seems so plausible. I don’t see why it’s seen as so outrageous that because 12,000 ago, which is kinda when he proposes, there could have been a, you know, a sophisticated civilization that was potentially wiped out by a cataclysm.
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When you look at that from the perspective of, oh, yeah. We’ve been intelligent for half a million years, it doesn’t seem very it doesn’t it seems very plausible
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to me. Not only that, it’s 450,000 years after the first structure now.
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Yeah. But no one’s even no one’s talking about this.
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That’s what’s weird, is that no one’s talking about that.
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It’s that It’s just me.
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Ai as well that found it. To be fair, the
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ai guy that found it, the archaeologist that found it said that he never could have imagined that pre homo sapien. And again, it might not be pre homo sapien. It could be homo sapien, but he said it’s completely paradigm shifting that they had the capacity to plan and build something like this.
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But again, there’s no there’s no fuss about it. It’s just a paper was written and it was put out there and then it’s that’s it.
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Well, these things take time.
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I guess so.
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Yeah. I mean, more of these conversations and more people have to understand that these things are being discovered and that we are kind of confused about so many things about human history. And we’re being told that, no, there’s people at the universities who have all the answers, and that it’s literally not possible that they’re telling the truth. It’s not possible.
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And that’s why I get so excited about the structures under the pyramid, because it’s a gigantic
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fuck you
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to all these people. It would be. Yeah. It would be the most gigantic fuck you of all time if they found out those that those scans are accurate, and there’s these pillars that are wrapped in coils that go down, like, hundreds of meters. And then below them, there’s additional structures and the whole The main
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thing is all connected as
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well. Yes. Which is, like, if Christopher Dunn is correct about it being some sort of a power plant and that reveals, like, how the thing worked and functioned, that’s way more advanced than us. Like, what is that?
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In some ways, they already ai. I mean, we can’t explain how they did it even based on the kind of conventional model of history.
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I know. We lie. Yeah. I’ve talked to so many people. Like, when I had Zawe Hawass here, and he’s explaining to me
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National project.
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It was the national project. Ai, oh, that’ll fix it. We should make our national project to breathe underwater and fly through the air. Like, we should make that our national project to go to the Yeah. Go to other planets and live there in case Earth gets blown up. What are you talking about, man? What the fuck are you talking about?
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Yeah. They just don’t want it. And it it does kinda make me worry. Like, I don’t really delve into the ai conspiracy side of things because, I mean, I just I bryden stay kinda based in
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Not me. I go right in.
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I mean, I do first. I do it in my own time and stuff. I mean, in my own head and stuff. But in terms of, like, my What
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what one do you dive into in your own head the most?
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I sometimes combine the UFO one with the ancient civilization one.
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I do too.
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And I think what happens if, you know, a civilization from a million years ago got so advanced that we can’t see them, and then that’s what the UFO thing is. It’s just someone from this Earth that doesn’t really need the space anymore, and they’re just watching us. Yeah. Sometimes I think about that.
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But, obviously, I don’t talk about that in my videos because I don’t need to give anyone any more ammunition to send for me.
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Well, there’s also the genetic engineering one.
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Oh, you mean ai the Yeah.
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Like, why humans are so different than everything else in the first place. Like, that’s weird. The doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years is really weird.
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What’s that referred to? Is that from habilis to erectus? What is that is that
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I don’t know. Let’s, let’s Google it.
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So I’ve heard people say that, and I’ve always thought, I guess, that must be from Homo habilis to Homo erectus ram just It’s just
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an immense leap that is, ai, Terrence McKenna used to say, it would be bizarre if it was a liver of an otter that doubled over a period of that amount of time. But the fact that it’s the very organ that allows us to contemplate and to understand human existence in the first place, and that that organ doubled over a period of two million years, like, what happened?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He’s got the wackiest theory because he thinks it’s psilocybin mushrooms.
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I think there could be something to that. I mean, because, you know, ancient cultures have always used psychedelic substances and basically all the way up until Western civil ai kind of took hold. It’s always been an integral part of human culture and human ai. And then us in our modern world have decided to outlaw vatsal, and Ai think that’s a tragic mistake, to be honest with you.
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It is. And I think history will reveal that Yeah. One day. And I think that is one of the also also one of the good things about discussions that are happening on the Internet that are kind of unchecked and untethered by academia. So you could talk about these things. Bigger brain brains.
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Estonian website says it’s actually tripled over the time we’ve tracked it. Saloni increase from six to 2,000,000, but a larger increase 800 to 200,000 ago. Wow. And And then the article goes
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That’s when the aliens landed.
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Yeah. So I’d even buy that though because hadalbergensis have the same cranial capacity as of us, and they go back 900,000 years. So
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The other thing I saw before I
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But maybe that’s sai rexis they’re talking about.
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Brains don’t fossilize.
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They deteriorate leaving a cavity. Inside the brain case.
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That’s part of how they know some of this info.
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Ai, sediments fill the cavity. Harm meh and natural endocasts ai also make artificial endocasts to study like the ones above. Fascinating. Fascinating.
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Yeah. We’re a weird creature. Well, did
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you say it’s 2017 that they discovered modern humans 300,000 years ago?
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I think so. Yeah. And where was that? It’s in Morocco.
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And so that’s in Morocco. Right? You said that. So imagine if they found something similar in China.
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Well, that would fuck everything up because of the Africa thing, and that would really that would really fuck everything up. But, Ai mean, it could happen.
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Well, it wouldn’t really even fuck it up. It would just push it back.
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Ai guess so. Yeah. Yeah. But we I mean, we’re not even supposed to have left Africa until this time of the cognitive revolution, and that’s always been the one of the points. Like, oh, look. We got smart. We left Africa sixty thousand years ago. But that’s never made sense to me either because Homo erectus managed to migrate out of Africa and colonize loads of Asia and parts of Europe over a million years ago.
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And if they’re supposedly, you know, inferior to us, then how can they make this massive leap? And Haile Bagenesis did it six hundred thousand years ago. And if they’re supposedly inferior to us, how come they did this? And sai, I mean, I don’t know. I try not to delve into the out of Africa thing because it’s, I don’t know, it gets a little bit controversial sometimes.
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It does. Well, it gets controversial when you bring in aliens too because aliens become racist. Yeah. It becomes racist because now you’re not accrediting the Africans to building the pyramids. You know, which is really That
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never made sense to me that because it clearly wasn’t white people that built the pyramids.
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Well, I watched this very bizarre discussion between some guy that was trying to claim that it wasn’t Africans who built the pyramid, that it was white people that built the pyramids. So there are people that have this sort of racist idea of the construction of the pyramids, but you can’t attach that to everyone who’s speculating about the construction. Yeah.
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Because it’s too the things are too weird. It’s too weird. And let’s assume that it was Africans that built the pyramids. But if we are assuming that, like, how were they so much smarter than everyone alive today? Yeah. How were they so much smarter?
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Let’s say it’s four thousand five hundred years ago. How were they so much smarter? What was going on? Like, what happened? Did they get visited by aliens?
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Did they discover something that allowed their understanding of physics to be just so much greater than everybody else who’s ever lived? Like, what did they discover? Like, what were they encountering? What were they consuming? What were they doing? What what what was what were they teaching each other?
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Where you know, we lost so much in the burning of the Ai of Alexandria. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah. That, that’s that’s it’s quite sad really, isn’t it? To be honest, like, there would have been a lot in I’m not sure a 100% what happened with that. I’m not sure if it was one burning or
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Just several burns.
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Yeah. But it’s clearly a lot was lost.
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But then then the question is, like, what did they even know? Like, what if it’s older than that? Like, what if all that stuff what if, you know, this is one of the things that Zawih Hawas was, very reluctant to he’s like, what is this? Ai was talking about the King’s List that goes back 30,000 years. Yeah. Yeah. What if that’s accurate?
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Yeah. It’s the Sumerian one does too.
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Yeah. It gets real squirrely when you only wanna accept some parts of history.
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And that ties into the Green Sahara thing that I was talking about. Like Yeah. I mean, they have king lists that go back this sai. And, yeah, we say that some of them are myth. And to be fair, they have kings that reign for, like, a thousand years, which is a bit weirder. Is
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a bit weird?
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Probably not I mean, unless you’re talking some kind of alien thing, then that probably wasn’t human. But that might just be because it would have been a long time ago for them too when they were writing these king lists. Sure. But it doesn’t mean that their civilization only started with the first dynasty.
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What we’ve decided is the line between myth and fact because that’s a modern interpretation after the fact. They never made such distinction.
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Yeah. And this idea that they lived a thousand years. Well, have you ever read the the North Korea depictions of Kim Jong Un’s first day playing golf?
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Yeah. It’s propaganda. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, he made ai nine holes in one. He he’s the greatest golfer of all time.
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Exactly. You know
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what I’m saying? So it’s like you’re writing about kings. He lived a thousand years. Fire came from his dick. You know, like like ai, what are we talking about? We’re we don’t know. We don’t we don’t know what they were writing. We don’t know who wrote it. We don’t know how fantastical it was, how much hyperbole was involved. But we do know that we accept the king’s list when it gets to around February.
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We start accepting it. Yeah. But you don’t accept this possibility that it might actually go far, far, far earlier than that.
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And the whole the pyramids thing kind of bite, plays into the fact that stone is one of the only thing that ai. And pyramids have these massive stone constructions. Like ironically, they would be one of the only things from our not they really count as our civilization but from the modern world.
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The pyramids would be one of the only things that could survive in a hundred thousand years. So it makes you think like how long have they been then? I think the Egyptians definitely undertook some some kind of construction project around the time of February.
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Oh for sure.
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Because there’s records of them saying they did stuff, but that doesn’t mean because they they have all these records, but there’s no records of how they built it.
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Well, they also the bill the buildings that they made that were after February are dog shit.
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So much worse. They
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scare off.
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They just immediately forgot how to do it again straight away.
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They were trying to copy, and they just couldn’t do it. They didn’t have the math. They didn’t have the the engineering. The the stones are smaller.
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It’s And no one’s claimed they they didn’t claim credit for the pyramids, which is weird. Yeah. Why would you not claim it?
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Yeah. It’s all weird. It’s all weird. It’s, it’s the weirdest. Right? So it’s the one thing that if you’re a logical person and you think you know the ai of history, you think you understand human civilization, you think you understand, like, how intelligence evolved and how technology and innovation evolved, and you see that, you’re ai, oh, I don’t know shit.
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I don’t know shit. Like, how do how’s that statue so big and perfectly symmetrical?
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Ai they’re crazy.
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How are these just these vases that they don’t understand?
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Oh, is that a replica?
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This is a three d. And this is a three d model of an actual vase from Egypt.
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Yeah. They’re doing some good work on this, aren’t they? People ai, Uncharted.
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Did Christopher Don give this to us? I think he did. It’s probably him. Yeah. But, you know, Ben from Uncharted X, you know, he’s done a lot of work on these things. Like, those just those vases are very bizarre. Very bizarre. And
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they appear right in the start of the Yes. Egyptian dynasties. Yeah. And they forget how to do that as well?
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We have no idea how they made them. We don’t know what tools they used. Anybody that says that they do, you’re lying. You really don’t know. You can’t know. The these things are perfectly symmetrical. They weren’t turned on a lathe because they have handles. The the the way they measure them when you look at, like, the deviation from round and, like, how it’s it’s it’s ai a thousandth of a human hair. Yeah.
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It’s crazy, and it’s made from incredibly hard granite. Right?
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The hardest stone to to do that with.
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So what are we talking about? Like, who who are these people? Yeah. This is kind of crazy.
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And then you have the statues that are perfectly symmetrical.
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Perfectly symmetrical. Faces are just incredible. And massive.
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Yeah. Shah is huge. Right. Unbelievably huge.
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So they moved them there, and then they carved them perfectly symmetrically. It looks like they’re three d printed. Yeah. It’s so strange. It just screams vatsal lost technology. It’s
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At least.
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Yeah. It screams that these people had some sort of information and some sort of education that is, ai, on a different path of our we went the the way of the internal combustion engine and transistors and electronics, and they it seems like they went a totally different way, but maybe even further.
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Yeah. But we’re we’re scrambled in, like, our pathway to advancement is the only one that the human mind and all its infinite creativity can con conceive of.
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And this is another point regarding, like, you know, culture that could have flourished back in a 100,000 years ago or ever. We’re always looking for ourselves in the past. Yeah.
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And
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but there’s so many different ways that we could have gone because why did it have to be mass farming, mass population growth, and then as you sai, kind of industrial progress. It could have been so many different forms of human development and human lives and
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Well, it could have been if they had enough animals, they mostly ate animals.
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Yeah. Or fish or something.
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Yeah. Mostly ate animals and fish, which is probably healthier for you anyway. You know, really, what grain is is survival food.
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Yeah. And we all got, like, shorter and less healthy when it happened.
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Yeah. Because we didn’t get the right amount of protein. Yeah. And our jaws, like, shrunk because people were eating gruel. Like, if you look at part of the world where people are eating a lot of, like, porridge and shit, their jaws get really small.
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Yeah. That’s what’s wrong. Not good for us.
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No. It’s fucking terrible for we’re devolving because of our diets, which is really strange. But if you think about this time, and especially that part of the world where there was so much abundant natural resources that animal agriculture seems super simple. Yeah. You just corral a bunch of animals, you build a fence, and then you eat them. Yeah. And you don’t really have to grow rice.
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So many different ways that culture could have flourished. Yeah. And, yeah, we’re always looking for it. And we just don’t know where to look as well on the record. Like, one point people always make in, like, my comments and stuff to try and debunk me is, like, oh, we would see pollution.
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We would see kind of lead signals in the atmosphere or whatever if there was, like, a a big civilization a hundred thousand years ago. But that’s only the case if it was someone on the scale of us now. Because Or
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if what they were doing it the way we’re doing it.
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That’s the thing.
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We’re we’re talking about a completely different pathway. Clearly, there’s some technology that they had that we don’t understand. When when you talk about the drill holes that they find or the way they had carved out these enormous, massive chunks of stone and were apparently gonna move them.
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We don’t understand. The unfinished obelisk. Yes.
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Yeah. It’s crazy.
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The unfinished obelisk, that that’s bananas. It’s so many of these things that they they cut out of the ground and absolutely moved our bananas. Yeah. So it’s ai, what what kind of technology? Why are we assuming that it’s gonna be some internal combustion engine that sprays out terrible pollution?
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What if they’d figured something out?
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I would say it’s entirely possible.
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It’s entirely possible because we’re going to eventually. If you give us another thousand years, you will not be able to recognize any of this nonsense that we use for technology today, especially when AI gets involved. Ai, did you see that thing where quantum a quantum computer supposedly went one second back in time?
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I did. I was reading that last month.
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Is that bullshit? No. It’s
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they discovered it six years ago, though. It’s not new.
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What? Sai years ago, they well, still.
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That’s already that
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story is
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02/2019. Yeah. But still,
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it went back in time.
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Yeah. Wait. Wait. One saloni. And some way in quantum
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What does that even mean?
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Exactly. I don’t know. Exactly.
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That’s mad.
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But that’s us. Now imagine that technology that was science fiction twenty years ago. Ai? Well, go back to, like, the movie Alien and look at their stupid computers that they had, that this is what they thought people were gonna have when they were star faring people.
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Yeah.
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Now, think of this quantum computer experiment where it goes back in time one second, and then go forward a thousand years, which is nothing. Yeah. We’re we’re talking about 4,500 years ago. We might be off by a thousand. So go to 5,500 years ago, 6,000 if you’re listening to, John Anthony West, he thinks it’s 34,000 years. Yeah. That’s what he thinks.
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And that’s and that sounds so crazy, but then you look at the ai of length of time we’ve been around, and it’s still quite recent.
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Yeah. It’s still quite recent.
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And that lines up with the sphinx, doesn’t it, with the kind of, that’s the processional cycle.
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01:11:48
How much evidence of a quantum computer from thirty four thousand years ago would be left? Right. So we did get pelted by comets, which we know happened. Mhmm. That’s a fact.
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There’s I there I saw an estimate. I think it was from NASA, but I’m not a 100% sure. But it was from a a ai of scientific, journal that Earth is hit by what they define as a cataclysmic impact every one hundred thousand years. So that’s an impact that’s capable of wiping out a third of today’s population every one hundred thousand years.
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And a hundred thousand years sounds like a long time, but again, we’ve been around for three hundred thousand years. So theoretically, we’ve been hit by a cataclysmic impact three times already during our story. And that both has the potential to completely wipe out anyone that was doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean. Yeah. And that’s not the only thing.
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You’ve got, you know, super volcanoes sai we talked about. You got pole shifts. You got solar flares. You’ve got glaciers just scraping across the landscape and just completely erasing the record. You’ve got sea level rise.
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Sea level rise is a massive one because, I mean, where have we always lived? By the coasts. And if you look at the kind of fluctuation of sea level rise over the last hundred thousand years, two hundred thousand years, three hundred thousand years, the sea level is going in and out by hundreds of kilometers at a ai, and nothing is gonna be left.
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Right. Wild stuff.
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I know. It’s crazy.
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01:13:09
It is wild stuff. But, again, if someone is a historian and they got into this, someone’s an archaeologist sana they got into this because they have this fascination for it, for them to become professors and then start teaching and writing books about this stuff and and not still be fascinated by the new stuff
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Yeah.
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Is to me sai weird. It’s like you missed the whole reason why you got into this in the first place. You got into this in the first place is because you’re trying to figure out what happened. How did we get to this point? And if there’s evidence that shows that we don’t have the full picture, and you’re ignoring that or dismissing that or
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But the thing is when you go through these ai of systems, and I’m I’ve sort of got experience of this. Obviously, I was never a professional academic or anything like that. But, you know, I I did history for four years. I was kinda ai, and I got to the point where it was almost, you know, it was do this as a career, become a professional academic or not.
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It’s very hard to kinda even think this way because everyone around you is thinking within these boxes that we’ve created for ourselves. And so it’s very hard to kinda open your mind and you kinda have to do it in private as well because no one else is talking in those terms around you, and you’re surrounded by people that think in quite limited terms.
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And I don’t say that to kind of be offensive or, you know, doubt anyone’s It’s the culture. Exactly. It’s the culture. And it means that no one is it’s very hard to think outside the box when you’re kind of in that culture. And, yeah, I think that’s kind of what creates these, you know, rigid systems of thought.
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It’s also
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kind of fear based because it’s not just discouraged. They’ll attack you.
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No. I mean, they attack each other even when they are Initiatively. Speak.
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01:14:53
Just to think about the Clovis first issue.
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Yeah. I mean, that’s the best example.
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It’s the best example because that guy was destroyed.
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01:15:02
You took a real estate Yeah. Destroyed. And Jack Saint Mars and
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And they were right. Yep. They were destroyed for theorizing that human beings had lived in North America and that ai in North America far before thirteen thousand years ago. And that was the established ai of the Clovis people. And then when they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000 years old Yeah.
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And they hated that as well. They hated that. Of course, they hated it.
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But they hated it just because they were wrong. It’s all it is, man. It’s human ego. It’s so gross. And this brings me back to ai. Because what what do psychedelics do that’s most important? Well, the the the dissolving of the ego, it’s one of the most important aspects of it.
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It makes you realize the folly of your ways, you know. And all of these people that are supposed to be the academics, they’re supposed to be the enlightened ones. They’re not enlightened. They’re just they have information, and they they hold that information that ai, it’s their identity.
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And they’re right about a lot of things because they have been studying it, and they do deserve credit for that. What they’ve done is amazing. And the the understanding that these academics, these archaeologists, and historians can give us of our world and our history is really cool. It’s really awesome.
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But there’s a whole lot more out there. And for them to pretend and dismiss people, like, they should embrace people like Graham Hancock, and then they should correct him when he’s saying something that is wrong. Yeah. But instead of lying and then calling him a racist and saying all these terrible things about him, well, that just shows me that you don’t really have an argument, and you’re trying to protect your identity.
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Your identity is the gatekeeper of this information that is not yours to gatekeep. Keep. It’s for the whole human race to understand what the hell happened.
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Yeah. And I wish that, you know, we’ve seen a a surge in interest in ancient history and prehistory and, you know, the story of our species through people like Graham Hancock, who’ve kinda created a massive interest in this subject. But instead of embracing that, they they see it as a threat. And I think that’s really sad, to be honest. And yeah.
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I think it it kinda hurts the discipline in general because if you kind of, like, embrace that and, like, brought him into the table and spoke to him and kind of agreed, you know, agreed to have the discussion, then it would create a much kind of, more healthy debate around these things.
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And when when you talk about the Clovis kind of narrative, it it because we think that we know what happened and thus we know what didn’t happen, it means that people aren’t even looking for stuff that now we know was there. So, like, they they don’t they didn’t dig deeper than the clove Clovis layer
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Right.
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Until very recently because they knew that humans weren’t around until Clovis. But obviously, that was wrong. So they could have missed so much stuff and they probably did I mean, have you seen that? There’s like ai to be fair, I think, Graham mentioned it on the show, the Surui mastodon ai, which is like a 130,000 years ago in America.
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01:18:02
I mean, if that’s human, which it kinda looks like it is.
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01:18:07
That’s That’s debatable though. Right? Isn’t that debatable? Because the way the bones are broken, it could have been from some sort of an accident or an avalanche or something. Right?
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Yeah. It’s it’s debatable. But it’s also it could be human. Like, it could easily be human because it kinda looks like human markings
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on on bones. I mean, so It looks like scrapings, like they’re scraping the marrow out of the bones. Yeah. Exactly. Or some some kind of primitive
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But why couldn’t it have been human? I mean, it didn’t necessarily have to be Homo sapien, but why couldn’t another human species have got to, The Americas?
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01:18:36
Well, it seems like they certainly could have if they were here twenty two thousand years ago. Like, what Exactly. What was that ai? Why did they figure it out then? Yeah. And how they do it. Right? That’s the question. How’d they do it?
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01:18:47
And we know that people were seafaring from what what was the earliest seafarers?
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You could argue that Homo erectus seafared eight hundred thousand years ago, which is just mental. Could
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01:18:57
you really?
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Well, they reached places that were ai. And some people say, you know, they kind of floated there accidentally. But Wish that is possible, but it seems a bit weird that you’d then, like, survive and colonize a place.
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01:19:07
Sai, that’s where it gets so squirrelly. If Homo erectus made a boat Mhmm. That’s bananas.
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I mean, Neanderthals were definitely making boats, and this points to how intelligent they were. They were making sophisticated boats and sailing across the Mediterranean and colonizing places like Crete well over a hundred thousand years ago.
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Well, we know that the North Sentinel people, they they arrived by boat from Africa sixty thousand years ago. Yeah. And so at least then people were seafaring.
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Oh, definitely.
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01:19:32
And probably way earlier than that. So why would we assume they wouldn’t get to the Americas? That seems crazy. I mean, bigger journey to be
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01:19:39
fair, but then Ai guess if you go across the top Ai why
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you’re doing it.
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Yeah. Exactly. If you go across the top and kinda hop down along the coast, then
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01:19:45
Yeah.
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Not so hard.
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Well, when also, there’s a problem. It’s ai, if you go back twelve thousand years ago, Canada’s covered in ice. Yeah. There’s nothing there. It’s literally all ice. So where are they coming from? Like, they have to be coming from the South.
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I guess I mean, there’s the kind of theory regarding the the Polynesian kinda island chain. Mhmm. You know, hopping across to Easter Island and then making one last hop across to South Meh.
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Oh, that’s a crazy hop.
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Going the other way. It is a crazy hop. It is a crazy
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have always done crazy. Just the fact that they did it in the fourteen hundreds is bananas.
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01:20:18
That’s pretty crazy. And they did that with tech that was, you know, no tech. They just did it with the stars Yeah.
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01:20:24
And wood. But then you get to what it how do you say that ancient Greek symbol, that ancient Greek mechanism that they found?
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Oh, the Antikythera mechanism.
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01:20:33
I never could say that. Antikythera. I’ll try. I’ll try to
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01:20:36
remember that. Antikythera.
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01:20:37
You get it. But I always forget it. But that thing is bananas. Like, that when they first found it, it just looked like a hunk of shit. Like, what is this? And then when they got a better understanding, I think it was, like, a long time after they discovered it. That they go, oh, wait a minute. These are gears. Like, what it So how do you basically. 2,000 year old computer.
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Yeah. At least and also that’s not the first one. Like, no one just someone didn’t just develop ai. I’m just like, here you go. Right. You fucking made a computer. Like, it was clearly like a, you know, a long history of very, very technical stuff in
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01:21:09
Right.
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In ancient Greece. And it could well have been the ancient Greeks, but also it could have been like, well, where did you kinda where’s the what’s the history of this technology? And Right.
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01:21:16
More technical than, like, this modern automatic watch.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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01:21:19
You know, modern automatic watch, if you look at the inside of them, it’s crazy. There’s springs and gears and it’s all within, ai, this, Seiko is ai within, I think it’s a couple seconds a day. Yeah. Like, that’s crazy. And it’s all these little and it moves It has no power source other than the movement of your hand.
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Yeah. And then that’s
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that’s because they’re actually two hour power reserve. So for seventy two hours, you tyler it sit there just from the power of your hand from wearing it for a few yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s a
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cool watch.
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01:21:49
Nuts. Ain’t that nuts? But that’s normal. That’s a normal thing for a modern watch with these little tiny gears. This thing’s way crazier than that. And it’s 2,000 years old. At least. What do they think it was for?
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01:22:03
I think they thought it ai, like, tracked the lunar cycles and the kind of elliptical movements of I thought I thought
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01:22:09
Have you seen the three d AI representation of what it looked like when it was fully done? See if you can find that because it’s that that’s the most eye opening of it. Because you’re bringing this back to the time of Christ, and someone made a computer during the time of Christ. Like, okay, what it what are we missing?
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Like, Graham’s quote is the best. I love this quote. We are a species with amnesia.
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01:22:34
Oh, 100%.
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100%.
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Yeah.
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01:22:37
And this other quote that I really love, things just keep getting older.
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And things do keep getting older.
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They keep getting older. Yeah. And this is something that people resist for some strange reason, and I don’t understand it. I think it’s just because it’s attached to these folks like Graham. Yeah. That’s the one. Look at it. That’s nuts. That’s what it used to look like.
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This is a modern reproduction of it.
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01:22:59
Oh, right. But that that is what it used to look like. Right?
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01:23:02
Based off of that.
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That. Yeah.
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01:23:05
Pieces. So That’s crazy. Shah me the modern reproduction of what it looked like. Just imagine. Okay. Someone two thousand fucking years ago figured that out, and they have these little representations of the stars and the planets of the sana, and then all the planets surround it.
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01:23:22
Like, first of all, how do they know all that? How are they seeing these planets? Like, did they have a telescope? Like, what are they how do they know how many planets are in our solar system? What what did you base this on?
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01:23:37
And no equivalent technology ever, like, reemerged until, like, you know, like, the sixteenth century with, like, Swiss clockmakers or something.
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01:23:44
Sai it just makes you wonder, like, how old is that and what’s that ram? And what were the pre you know, was there other stuff like this that we never find?
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When I googled first speak fairs
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01:23:58
Yeah. That I think that’s the,
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but there’s no I don’t see the evidence that they have for 700,000 years ago.
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01:24:04
I think that’s the Homo erectus thing.
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01:24:06
And they’re crossing it. Ai googled it and crossing the AGNC, it says they might have been doing, which there’s some, like, islands that were protecting it from crazy weather, potentially made it easier.
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01:24:16
But that is But
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I don’t know what evidence is.
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01:24:18
That is a crazy thing to read. Some evidence suggests that man may have crossed the sea as early as 700,000 years ago.
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01:24:25
Yeah.
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01:24:26
Aren’t you happy you were born today?
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01:24:27
Yeah.
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01:24:28
Imagine trying to gut it out. Well, ai, tough it out.
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01:24:31
Take the boys and go and cross across some fucking sea in a wooden raft. Yeah.
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01:24:35
Yeah. When you sana have eaten your friend because there’s no food left. Yeah. It’s, it’s kind of amazing that we’ve got as far as we did, but it’s really amazing when they find things like that. It’s the Antikythera meh. I said it right?
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You did. I’ll
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try to remember. But just the fact that we found one of those, and it makes you wonder, like, what would they have in Egypt? You know, what did they have two thousand years before that? Would they, you know, what did we miss?
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01:25:02
Digging into the stone stuff for ai about frequencies. There’s a I saw a video recently that doesn’t explain all the Egypt stuff, but there were frequencies coming out of these rocks
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01:25:14
that I
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don’t think everybody is currently, like, studying. People have studied it. That’s very basic, but, like, there’s the king’s chamber and the reverberations that happen. I was reading, the from Archimedes, I think. This quote here, when the priests sing the hymns of the gods, they sing the seven vowels in due succession.
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01:25:42
The sound of these vowels has such you euphony. I think that’s that word. That men listen to it instead of the flute and the ai, the leer.
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01:25:50
Mhmm. So
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from February or February.
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We’ve just, like, so many ancient sites that are all built with kind of acoustic Yeah. Like, resonance in mind.
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01:25:58
Meh. That’s why I was getting into this. I was trying to find the proof of it. Someone made a video I saw recently where the somatic stuff shows up all over the place in some ancient ai, definitely, obviously, in churches and cathedrals. Oh. But this is what happens when you, like Yeah.
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01:26:12
Put sand on a plate and on it or put, you know, a certain
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01:26:16
vibration Vibrations. Yeah.
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01:26:18
And how you stumble across this, and it just so happens to be the same thing we’re, like, we’re discovering now. Crazy.
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01:26:28
What is that image of? What is that
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01:26:29
that golden This?
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01:26:31
Yeah. What’s that?
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01:26:32
It’s a cathedral. I I looked at it a second ago.
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01:26:35
Is that in Canada?
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No. The article is from Oh.
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01:26:39
Spain. It’s in Spain. Woah. That is wild. Okay.
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01:26:49
I was looking into the oldest doors people found. The oldest door is only, like, 5,000 BC, and it was found in Switzerland somewhere. It was an act the oldest act of doors in The UK. It’s from 900, I think.
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01:27:02
What are those images of sacred geometry ram? And that right there, Leonardo da Vinci’s original drawing of the flower of life. How what da Vinci? What were you what drugs are you taking, son? How is he seeing that? Yeah. Well, that that’s ancient imagery. Right? That’s sacred geometry. Those depictions have been around forever.
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01:27:26
He was a crazy dude, DaVinci, well, in a good way. Yeah. Smart guy.
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01:27:29
But bizarrely smart.
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01:27:31
Very smart.
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01:27:31
It’s weird when you have these outliers, the these outliers that come out of nowhere and, like, he he he had, like, a working model of a flying machine.
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01:27:41
Yeah. Yeah. And he had, like, three jobs.
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01:27:45
Yeah. He’s a guy. And he’s an amazing artist. Yeah. It’s kind of, you know, these these outliers vatsal just how many of them we never heard of? How many of them were from 30,000 years ago? How many just we have such a limited understanding of our history. And that Ai always think, like, if something happened to us right now, what would really be left?
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01:28:07
The real problem is everything is either on paper, and there’s not a lot of it on paper anymore. It’s on hard ai, and those things would get cooked. Mhmm. If there was just a massive solar flare, something huge that took out our power grid and destroyed all of our cell phone towers and all our satellites, No more electricity.
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01:28:30
And even if it didn’t get cooked, what would you do with it in a hundred or in ten thousand years?
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01:28:35
Exactly. You
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01:28:35
found that. You wouldn’t know what that was.
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01:28:36
You wouldn’t know what that was. You you would have to devise a new version of Windows to to read it. You know, you you know, it would take so long, and it would probably have been corroded and wasted away
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01:28:47
And ai wouldn’t be recognized. Long
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01:28:49
before vatsal. Especially, if something happened, it was underwater, especially if, you know, the the entire world is on fire because we got hit with a comet. Yeah. Like, there wouldn’t be much left. And this is ai a really shitty way to store information. It’s a
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01:29:05
bit it does feel like a bit of a risk, doesn’t it?
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01:29:07
It’s a giant risk.
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01:29:08
Everything we’ve ever Yeah. Learned and, you know, discovered and thought about is Well, you
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01:29:14
know what happens when your phone dies and you don’t have a backup phone. You’re like, oh, no. I don’t know anyone’s number.
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01:29:19
And we do that with our entire civilization’s knowledge.
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01:29:22
Right. And so then, you would have just stories and myths of what things used to be like. There was an all female flight crew at Delta. You’re like, what? What are you talking about? What What does that even mean? You know, all that had satellites. What are you talking about?
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01:29:36
Like, what is the thing is, like, I wonder how many of the satellites would still be in orbit or whether their orbit would deteriorate and they’d come crashing down to Earth.
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01:29:44
I think they would decay, like, relatively quickly, I think. I mean, I’m not sure, but lots of them would, I think. And when we’re talking big ai scales.
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01:29:52
Yeah. Let’s think let’s Google that. How many satellites that are in orbit today? See if, put this into AI. How many satellites that are in orbit around the Earth today will be there in a hundred thousand years? Does, perplexity have an answer for that?
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01:30:16
Because Ai don’t I think it’s unlikely that anyone else was doing, like, space travel and stuff.
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01:30:21
Unlikely. Yeah. Certainly not impossible.
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01:30:23
But I don’t think there’s anything on the moon, for example. I think we probably see that. But
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01:30:27
Yeah. That’s the weird one. Right? There’s bases on the dark side of the moon. Yeah. And they’re watching us. Are you sure?
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01:30:34
I don’t I don’t think so.
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01:30:36
You know, well, then there’s the weirdness of the moon vatsal, that it’s the absolute perfect size and the perfect distance to completely block out the sun. That is weird, isn’t it? Real, real weird. It’s real weird because it’s not kind of right. It’s perfect.
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01:30:53
Precise. Yeah.
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01:30:54
It’s very precise. So you would need the precise size and the precise distance. That’s weird. And there’s also the fact that it stabilizes our atmosphere. It stabilizes our environment.
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01:31:06
Yeah. I guess the argument for that is we wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t. Right. If it wasn’t the exact right
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01:31:10
It’s the best answer. It’s, you might have to read the whole thing, but there’s thousands of satellites burning up each year in the atmosphere Oh, shit. Is what I got to the end of.
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01:31:18
Oh, so thousands of them crashed down?
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01:31:21
For sure. I mean, they they
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01:31:23
So how long
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do they last?
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01:31:24
Shah though it’s the first that’s ai Sai was trying to track that down. The first one only lasted three months.
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01:31:29
So Sputnik won the Soviet Union in 1957. Three months later, it fell out of orbit.
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It seems like they worked up to about a twenty five year rule where they don’t expect it to last that long. Wow. It’s gonna crash down.
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So in twenty five years, there’s nothing left.
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But that’s I was trying to Google how long would till the last one if they stop putting them up, how long until the last one crashes down?
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It seems like twenty five years.
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That’s why I then I just I couldn’t get a good answer that way.
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Did you put it into AI?
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I didn’t because I don’t want to.
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I don’t
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like asking questions you don’t know the answer to to AI. I don’t like asking questions I know the answer to to Well,
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I just like to see how it thinks. I like to see if it’s gonna just bullshit you and lie to you or if it’s gonna That’s ai I wanna
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know when it’s bullshitting me. Yeah. I don’t like knowing it doesn’t.
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Yeah. Because you just have to trust it. Ai well, it’s it’s also basing all its information on websites.
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Yeah. And I don’t know what year it was trained on. I was watching people talk about sports cards. They’re like, it’s not updated in the last three years. So you don’t even you can’t use this data. It’s not good data.
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Oh, really? Which one was that?
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I don’t I don’t know which one they were talking about. That’s there’s so many AI Mhmm. Opportunities out there.
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It’s funny watching people on Twitter use grok and try to get grok to say things it doesn’t wanna say. Yeah. And you realize, oh, there’s, an information blockade of what grok is allowed to talk about.
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The thing is you could just make it you can kind of trick AI to say whatever you want it to say. Yeah.
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I’ve seen people do that. Like, trick it into saying, like, how would you make a bomb?
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Yeah. And that’s almost the the bad thing about it is you can it ai of becomes your own little echo chamber after a while if you if you want it to, if you can kind of convince it to.
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Wow. We’ve done a really terrible job of taking care of most people. And when then you give these people access to the kind of power that AI provides them, they’re gonna ask naughty questions. Yeah. Because they, you know It’s great fun, though. They’re not living in harmony.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Because we, we’re a selfish being. We’re a selfish creature.
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It’s a crazy thing, though. The kind of advent of large language models and Yeah. Artificial intelligence and it’s it’s mad.
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Well, it’s it’s also, we’re in the middle of it. It’s happening right now, which is real weird. So, like, in our lifetimes, we’re potentially witnessing the biggest change to civilization since the pyramids. Yeah.
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Sai Ai mean, even in my lifetime, like, I was born in ’97, didn’t really have I had to dial up the Internet. I remember when I was a kid. Mhmm. And then, you know, smartphones came saloni, and then obviously, things things like AI and it’s just it is it is pretty ridiculous.
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I was 27 years old before I ever got online. Yeah. That was when I first got a computer and I got on AOL. You’ve got mail. It’s ai, I’ve got mail?
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01:34:21
This is crazy.
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Yeah. You know, and you could go to chat rooms and read about stuff, and you could download information, sai Ai print stuff about UFOs. I’m like, this is the future. I’m living in the future. And we’re very fortunate, I think, that we got to see what life was like with a primitive use of the Internet, to what it’s become now, to a quantum computer can go back a second in ai, to, you know, what is coming next.
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We don’t know. What’s really weird is imagine if this has been done before. We’re assuming that it hasn’t, but imagine if the Egyptians had figured out something similar. It kind of makes sense. I mean, it sounds preposterous that they did, but why? Why if we can do it?
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Why if we can do it if maybe it’s just a thing. If you leave humans undisturbed for a long enough amount of time with food, they start figuring stuff out. If you can keep them from killing each other, and maybe that’s the beautiful thing about the way Egyptian technology had advanced, they didn’t split the atom.
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Maybe they figured out something else that they couldn’t turn into a weapon.
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Yeah. Ai I mean, they were definitely doing some pretty mad stuff. And then if you look at those kind of, granite boxes they made, it’s a completely smooth Mhmm. Surface. I mean, they clearly had some form of technology that we don’t attribute to them. I think that’s undisputed.
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I mean, it is disputed, but I don’t think how I don’t see how you can logically ai look at what they were doing and not think they had some kind of technology that, you know, we don’t traditionally attribute them to. But whether that means they were ai some crazy advanced civilization or it was built by some other advanced civilization, you know, that’s, you know, a bit more ai.
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But they were clearly doing stuff that we can’t appreciate today. So that logically suggests they had, you know, something that we don’t understand. Right? Right.
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And when you find ant Antikythera. Yeah. Antikythera from two thousand years ago, it makes you just really think. Like, okay, what did they have?
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Ancient Greece was very inspired by ancient Egypt. Sai, I mean, it could have well come from there.
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Exactly. Yeah. And we, you know, we’re just guessing. We’re just lost in guessing.
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That’s the thing. It’s all about interpretation, isn’t it? All of history is about interpretation. It’s not a hard science like, you know, physics. Sai mean, physics is this is sana crazy too. Although it kinda hurts my head, man. That’s too much for meh, all that quantum physics stuff.
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But have you ever heard of the Silurian hypothesis?
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01:36:48
No. That’s what
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I have. What is it? It’s it’s ai linked to this, it’s linked to this, you know, ancient civilization stuff. It’s the idea that there could have been an advanced civilization on our planet, you know, a 100 million years ago. A non human one that was, you know, was advanced and industrial, and we just wouldn’t see any trace because of how long ago it was.
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And they could have been here and, you know, we just wouldn’t know because it’s been so long. It’s kind of like where I come from with my kind of human idea. Obviously, it’s a further, time speak, but it’s been it was proposed by two physicists is why I, why well, just thought of it just then.
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There’s a guy called Adam Frank and
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Oh, I’ve had him had him on before.
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You’ve had him on? Yeah. Adam Frank. There you go. I mean, did he did he ai if he’s on, Jamie. Right?
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I don’t know. Didn’t we?
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Let me see.
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You don’t see me.
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That’s a problem. That happens all the time. We’re like, yeah. We’ve had him on.
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I know we have. Episode at 11:30.
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I I knew we have.
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There you go. I
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just wanted to check because I have been wrong before where Ai we talked about a guy. I’m like, who’s that guy? And then, like, I talked to him for three hours.
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I thought you were wrong. I was like, uh-oh.
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Yeah. It’s happened before. But so this ai, is that something else other than human beings?
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Well, it’s just the idea that if it had, we wouldn’t know. And because the Earth’s been around for so long and complex multicellular life appeared, you know, relatively early in our, like, four billion year history of the Earth or Earth. I’m not sure on the dates, but we’ve been around the Earth’s brother has been around for so so so long.
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And we know that intelligence can emerge because ram emerged with us and happened relatively quickly when you look at the kind of massive tyler scale that the Earth’s been around and how long multicellular life has been around. So their idea is kinda like, well, what what if, you know, a civilization in the kind of era of the dinosaurs had, you know, become very advanced in an industrial society.
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And they say we would see absolutely no evidence. Like, when I’m talking about human civilization, we would see some potential evidence ai, you know, rock carved stone or whatever. But they would say you wouldn’t even see the nuclear waste deposits because it’s that long ago that nothing would survive.
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And then I think about that, and I think, well, isn’t it almost more likely that something did happen considering we know that intelligence can emerge relatively quickly? Multicellular life has been on the planet for so so so so so long.
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A limited understanding of the fossil record. Exactly.
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Yeah. Ai, why couldn’t why couldn’t something have happened before? And then then you start getting a bit, you know, stoner about it, and you start thinking, well, maybe they’re still here because they Yeah.
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That’s what I like
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to do. I like
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to go into dimensional. Because I think, like, well, if you do have these quantum computers, it can go back one second in ai, and you you you move forward a thousand years from now, and they’re run by AI. Like, what can they do? Like, what do they cease to do do these being cease to exist in this dimension? Do they develop the ability to be transdimensional?
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01:39:41
Do they do they no longer exist in our space and time? Is that, like, the emergence of this new life form and then they observe us? Is that what’s going on?
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Well, I feel like if you kind of survive, you know, a lot longer than we have and you kinda get to a different, like, kind of level of intelligence, then why would you need the kind of physical body? Why would you need the physical realm? And why couldn’t you ai of diverge different dimensions if such a thing is possible?
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01:40:08
Like I certainly can imagine it taking place somewhere else. On another planet with a similar atmosphere that supports life and given maybe they live in a a solar system that doesn’t have an asteroid belt.
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Yeah.
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Right? Because there’s I’m sure they must exist. We’re they’re not getting pelted all the time. We’re just in a shitty neighborhood. Yeah. We’re we’re basically in a neighborhood that gets shot up all the time.
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A shooting gallery. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a shooting gallery. Yeah. Meh.
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And imagine them achieving where we are at, but then plus a million years. And you can go, oh, yeah. Well, I guess all bets are off in terms of what’s possible. We’re we’re you know, a hundred years ago, people were freaking out if they saw a car. Now we’re sending video from a tiny little screen on your phone
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Across the world. Yeah.
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Instantaneously. It’s all nuts. And we don’t even blink at that.
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We don’t we only get pissed off if it doesn’t work.
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Yeah. And I,
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well, fuck, can I talk to this guy in Australia? And instantly, like, why is my phone not working?
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And, you know, people are addicted to staring at
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it. Mhmm.
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It’s like it’s pulling you into its gravity. It’s it’s it’s all very, very weird stuff.
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Yeah. We adjust very quickly to
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Real quick.
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Yeah. How technology develops. And it’s just getting faster and faster and faster.
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Mhmm.
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It makes you think where will we be in a hundred years, in five hundred years if something
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happens. Yeah. Where will we be? I think we’ll be somewhere really weird. But I’m hoping that as we do advance and wherever we’re going to be, it’ll help us understand where we came from. Ai, you know, like, if if AI and super intelligence starts examining the history of the human race, then things can get very interesting.
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01:41:53
And maybe it could give us places to look. Like, we need physical, you know, human beings or drones on the ground excavating certain areas. This is, like, prime place to look.
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Yeah. I come Sai some I I ai of flip between, like, quite a pessimistic outlook and quite an optimistic outlook on these things. Like, sometimes Sai think, like, it’s just gone, and we’re never gonna know. And we can speculate for as much as we like, but it’s gone. And then sometimes Sai think, no. Like, you never know. There’s so many places that are just completely unexcurbated, completely unexplored that we haven’t looked at.
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Like, you know, believe the Sahara on the the, the ocean floor by these, could I have some coffee, please? Meh. That’d be alright. Thank you.
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Of course.
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And it’s there are all these places that, you know, we haven’t explored. And as you sai, technology like AI Cheers. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. You know, I think sometimes Sai think, yeah, maybe we are gonna make, like, these massive discoveries that are gonna completely shift our understanding of, of history.
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And as you say, the kind of Giza the the findings beneath Giza, that that could be a moment. And I’m always looking for that. But then ai I flip again. I think, you know, maybe we’ll never find anything. And I’m I Ai just don’t know. Maybe I’m just speculating for for no reason.
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I should just stop.
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01:43:01
Have you seen Ben on Uncharted x? His he has a very recent video of these I don’t even know how you describe it. There’s these underground structures in, Egypt that he says are bigger than the Giza Plateau, that are underground.
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I haven’t seen shah. No. I love his channel by the time.
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There’s a historical record of these things where people had talked about them, like, you know, way back. Even explorers had visited them and found them to be more spectacular than what is actually on the ground, that the underground thing was even crazier.
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And that begs the question, why why underground? Why why do we find all this underground construction all around the world? Hey. Woah. Hey, Amy. Sai that and that’s his theme music. I didn’t ai that. Shout out to Uncharted X.
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01:43:55
Yes. He’s coming on soon to talk about this very thing. He’s awesome. He’s really awesome. And he speak so much time down there. So
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Is that it? He did something are you talking about he did a video on the kind of the pharaoh.
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Unknown ancient site. So the unknown ancient site said to be greater than the pyramids confirmed with satellite scans.
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Okay. Yeah. I haven’t seen this.
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Give give us the coming up. Just play it.
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Just so many different techniques. The Geoscan in Milne and Burrows satellite technologies. I mean, they’re vastly different techniques. They seem to be aligned. They’re telling you the same things. So they found something. Like there’s something down there. What is down there seems to be also quite a mystery. The central object is hard to classify.
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It appears metallic, not stone or wood. A freestanding 40 meter long metallic Tic Tac shaped object approximately, what, fifty, sixty meters below the ground in a huge big open corridor or an atrium. Come on. Like, the this is a remarkable claim.
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01:44:57
It’s a crazy video. And he goes deep into the history of people talking about these sites and, even ancient explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt would talk about how it was even more spectacular underground. Here it is. This is, how do you say his name?
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01:45:19
Petrie. Yeah. He’s, he he’s written a lot because he was, like, one of the first people to
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01:45:24
Flanders Petrie. Yeah. So is the are those the names of the sites he’s talking about? Hawara, Biamanu
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Oh, sorry.
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01:45:31
And Arison Arcyon? Yeah. Hawara is definitely a a site. Arsenault. Arsenault. So it says, on that space could be erected the Great Hall Of Karnak and all successive temples adjoining it, and the Great Court and the pylons of it. Also, the Temple Of Mut and that of how do you say that? Khonsu? Sai guess. Khonsu and, and and Amenhotep the third at Karnak.
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01:45:55
Also, the two great temples of Luxor, and still, there would be room for the whole of Ramesses. What does that mean? In short, all the temples of the East Of Thebes, and I’m sorry if I’m butchering these names folk, and one of the largest of the West Bank might be placed together in the one area in the ruins of Hawara.
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01:46:23
Here, we certainly have a ai worthy of the renowned which the labyrinth acquired. So this is an ancient explorer who’s talking about he he actually got into this area. The problem now is it’s all submerged, So it’s been flooded, and it’s very difficult to, to do any kind of archaeological work on it now.
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Yeah. Because he was one of the first people in.
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01:46:50
Yeah. That’s people. They’re, like, crawling into these, like, holes and swimming in now. It’s it’s real weird. It’s like you could die in there. So someone’s sana figure out how to get the fucking water out of there. And what is that? So if this guy is accurate with what he’s talking about, again, explain that.
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01:47:09
Explain how you’ve got something that’s even greater than what you’re seeing above the surface underneath 50 meters down in the stone.
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01:47:18
And why underground?
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01:47:19
Why? So much harder. Exactly. What, like, what were they doing? Were they hiding? Is this ai what happened when cataclysmists cataclysms took place? They said, Bryden, we need to develop a way to survive these things, and let’s get underground. And
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01:47:33
There’s so many all over the world as well. There’s Yeah. Ai, people are always more ancient people. People are always building underground construction and we can’t explain how they did it, who did it, or why they did it today. And again no one well no one in the mainstream really kind of looks into that.
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01:47:48
Yeah. That site in Turkey wasn’t it supposed to house like 2,000 people?
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01:47:51
Yeah. The the Does
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I remember, like, 2,000 people?
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At least, I think. I can’t remember off the top of my head, but it’s huge. Huge.
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01:47:57
Ai think it might be 20,000 people. It’s massive. That sounds better. And yeah. Sounds more exciting. But it is massive. And they don’t know how they did, and they carved it out of stone.
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01:48:06
They don’t know who built it?
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01:48:08
There’s no evidence of the stone being left anywhere. It’s not like there’s a big pile of it outside of it. It’s real weird.
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01:48:14
Yeah. 20,000. There you go.
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01:48:15
20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. So 20,000 people, livestock and food stores, extending to a depth of approximately 85 meters underground.
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01:48:27
And no one knows who built that?
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01:48:29
That’s just so crazy. Nuts.
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01:48:31
And their ai of argument is that they built it to,
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to ai of
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01:48:36
protect themselves from an invading army, but that’s never made sense to me because if you arya attacking those people, you just block the entrances.
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01:48:43
Yeah. And then start fires. Yeah. Yeah. That seems silly. It seems like more likely what they were doing was escaping whatever the fuck was on the surface.
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01:48:52
And so who built that and ai? And how old is it? Because, again, it’s, you know, saloni that could survive for so long.
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01:48:57
Right. And, also, did you build it after a cataclysm? Like, how do you do it? Do you know it’s coming and that’s how you build it? No. You didn’t know it’s coming unless it’s happen unless it happens regularly, and they ai the only way to survive it is to get underground.
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01:49:12
Well, I guess you could, you know, it could be the remnants of an earlier culture that was wiped out and Right. They had, like, a memory of maybe passed down three minutes.
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01:49:20
Look how nuts that is. I was
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thinking too, like, no one know how, like, leafcutter ants do it. This couldn’t have been the first one they made.
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01:49:25
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Ai.
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01:49:27
Figure out how to make all those chambers to breathe and stuff.
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01:49:30
That’s so bananas, dude, that that’s 85 meters into the ground.
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01:49:34
Sai crazy.
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01:49:35
And then Sai crazy.
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01:49:37
Another great one is Longyue Caves in China, which is just there’s just zero explanation of what that is or who built it. There’s no record of its construction. It’s have you seen have
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01:49:46
you seen Yes. You’ve seen Longyear Caves. Yeah. Yeah. Pull that up. Crazy. That’s nuts too.
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01:49:49
Absolutely crazy.
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01:49:50
How old is that supposed to be?
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01:49:51
No no one knows. They have no idea who built it. It’s just like, what is this?
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01:49:55
You know?
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01:49:56
And they they don’t know who built it. There’s no record of who built it. They don’t know what it was for. There’s no deposits of stone. There’s no tools found nearby.
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01:50:02
Do they have a theory of the timeline? I don’t I don’t
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01:50:06
think so. I mean, to be fair, it’s in Ai, so it’s kinda ai it’s not it’s,
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01:50:10
it’s found in 1992. Woah.
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01:50:13
A farmer. Four farmers.
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01:50:15
There’s 24 of them, like, looking like that. Wow. 24.
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01:50:19
At least 2,000 years old.
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01:50:21
Go to a video of it so we could see. Find the info. Because the the caves, when when you speak when people walk around it with a camera, it’s bananas.
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01:50:29
And there’s 24 distinct ones that look like that. And it’s just ai, who’s doing that? Why?
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01:50:35
Still visit Ai without going to jail? What happens?
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01:50:38
I don’t know. Oh, this is Mike Collins. He’s great. Wandering a wolf.
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01:50:41
Yes. He’s the one who does all that stuff about that wall in Montana too.
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01:50:46
Yeah. The Sai Wall. Yeah.
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01:50:48
Very weird. That man Montana thing is very weird. I go back and forth on that one being man made or
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01:50:54
Yeah. That’s the case for so many, like, of these things. It’s like it could be natural, but then
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01:50:57
Not this one though.
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01:50:58
This is definitely not fucking natural.
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01:50:59
Can you imagine in 1992, some farmers are just fucking around and they find this?
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01:51:05
Find 24 of them as well.
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01:51:06
And they’re like, yo. What did we find?
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01:51:10
I think the carvings are are modern.
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01:51:12
Oh, they are?
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01:51:12
I think so. I think, like, ram ai? The parallel lines, they don’t know what they are. They have no idea why the parallel lines are there. But I think the kind of carvings depicting, like, mystical Chinese stuff is is a sana of modern addition.
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01:51:26
Oh, like ram new? Yeah. Like after That’s like
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01:51:28
since they discovered it.
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01:51:29
Oh, really? Ai, even those ones on the wall right there? That’s so gross.
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01:51:32
I think so. I meh be wrong. Ai be worth checking. I’m not I’m not Oh,
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01:51:36
I hope they didn’t do that. Ugh. That would be gross. Can you imagine?
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01:51:41
Yeah. But that’s always that that site has just always baffled meh. Because again, if you look at the Wikipedia page for that site, it’s it’s just like three lines.
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01:51:49
But it’s
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ai, what the fuck is this?
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Yeah. So the carvings Yeah. Are those really old? Or are those modern? What what, made you think that they’re modern?
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Because I did a little video on I mentioned this in the video, and during my research of that, I I saw that.
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Oh, so in the research, you found that they were modern. Yeah. Okay. So the lines, it seems to be the parallel ai seems to be, like, how they dug all the stuff out, like, one layer at a time. Would you think that?
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Yeah. But but, like, how and what using what? Right. There’s 24 of them. And, also, they’re all so precisely identical. It’s ai, what tool are you using to make sure this was so identical?
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Right. Like, what tool are you carving stone with to make a giant cave? One particular cave stands out for its detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people, and figures closely resembling the eight immortals from Daoist mythology. These depictions suggest a deep connection to Daoism.
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Whether these carvings were part of the original structure or added later after the caves were rediscovered in 1992 remains a topic of debate. After close examining of the carvings and noticing of unique method used to chip away at the rock for these images, it seems likely that they were added later. Yeah.
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Perhaps turning the cave into a sacred place reflecting the religious beliefs at ai time. Oh, so some gross people carved into it in 1992. That’s so crazy that you did that, ai, because that’s probably what people have done throughout time. I bet that’s, you know, the probably the people that, like, put their dead body in the pyramid.
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Yeah. And that’s the thing with all the other things in Egypt is they’ve people have carved hieroglyphics onto them, but that doesn’t mean that that’s when the original thing was built.
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Can you go back to the video, please, Jamie, of that, site so we could see, like, what it looks like when you’re walking around in it? Because, the fact that they don’t really know who made it and the fact that these farmers found it in 1994, when you see the scope of it, that’s where it really sets in.
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It’s
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unbelievably big. Yeah. Because I think, like, images
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are cool, but the way this guy’s walking around it, you really get it. And then you
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have to ai that by ’24.
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Imagine those farmers. They’re like, should we tell anybody? Yeah. If we don’t, they’re gonna kill us. They might kill us anyway. How much is that? How
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much was added then afterwards if they did the the car moves? How ai, like, stairs and
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Oh, yeah.
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All the stairs arya added for sure, I bet. Right? The stairs that that ai on?
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Look too new, obviously.
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But again, what was this for? Like, why did they build
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this huge All that shit looks new. Yeah. Why did they? Like, what is this? The carvings.
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Ai mean, Leslie, maybe they’re trying to make the carvings to make it seem like it was older and people would come wander and just come look sana be a tourist attraction.
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Like, maybe without art, they didn’t think it would get enough people to visit.
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I think it’s also to kinda connect it to kind of, you know Pro. More ai contemporary cultural China rather than because, I mean, who knows how old this could be? That’s crazy.
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Because it’s stone. That’s so crazy. The fact that they just found it, just stumbled on it. That’s what’s the weirdest thing about some of the discoveries because that’s the same with Gobekli Tepe. It was a sheep herder. Right?
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If someone found Gobekli Tepe in the sixties and they didn’t think it was anything so they left it.
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Really?
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Yes. Ai, that guy fucking missed the boat a little bit. No way. Yeah. Some American archaeologist found it in the sixties.
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What did he find?
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I can’t remember, but they found, like, a little bit of it, and they were like, oh, this is clearly just some, like, you know, contemporary bronze age society. Don’t worry about that.
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Guy must have shot himself. He he must have
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he missed the boat a little bit.
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Could be a stoic. Ai could
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have been the guy
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instead of a fucking sheep herder. Yeah. Because there was a guy who just found, like, a stone. Right?
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Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Here it is, nineteen sixties. A survey conducted by archaeologists from Istanbul University and the University of Chicago found some flint and ai limestone artifacts, but they didn’t perceive the site as anything more than a medieval cemetery. Whoops. Whoopsies. Whoopsies.
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Yeah. That was the the find of your career.
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And you fucked nuts. What a slip up. So, the sheepherder that found it, I think he just found, like, a corner of something. And he, like, kicked it with his boot and was like, what is this? And then started looking around and scraping it off. And then Ai think once he realized it was really big, they started he goes ai, maybe I should call somebody. Yeah. Call somebody who knows how to dig.
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The whole, like, 5% excavation thing is so puzzling at Gobekli Tepe because, I mean, to be clear, that’s kind of how that’s ai normal practice, I think Yeah. For archaeology. But you would think that Gobekli Tepe is ai a bit more of a it’s a special case. It has such implications.
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01:56:32
That’s that should but it’s also they make a lot of money off of tourism. People visiting it the way it is, and that would disrupt everything if you had a bunch of eggheads digging into the ground all around you. I see that. But, you know, then they arya doing weird stuff ai planting olive trees above the ruins, and everyone was telling them, like, hey, guys.
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If you do that, these these trees are gonna grow roots. The roots are gonna destroy what’s underneath them.
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Yes. And they’re
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ai, no, everything’s gonna be fine. And then they realize, oh, it’s actually destroying what’s underneath it.
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That’s like a microcosm of the problem with a a small section of very vocal ai of mainstream archaeologists. I think the whole tree controversy regarding Gobekli Tepe is because it was Jimmy. Right? Jimmy Bryden side. Yeah. Exactly.
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He
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well, he can’t go there anymore, you know.
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I’m not surprised. Sai might
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he might ai snuck in recently. Video. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think he’s banned from the country.
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From the whole of Ai.
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I think he’s banned from the ai at the very least.
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It doesn’t make sense because where
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mad at him for telling the truth.
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Exactly. Exactly. Whatever you think of Jimmy, like, he was right.
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Let’s find out if he’s banned. I don’t wanna get Turkey mad at meh. Because I think Turkey’s probably the that’s probably the birthplace of civilization.
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Possum Of what we
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think of sai civilization. I mean, there’s so saloni different things that they found in Turkey now that’s starting to lean people to think that, like, well, maybe that speak. Yeah. Maybe we’ve, you know, we we there might it’s there was probably a bunch of places like that in the Middle East where civilization had sort of emerged from whatever had happened before.
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Or the Sahara?
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Or the Sahara. Yeah. What do you think about, the Rishard? Let’s get that in a second here. Oh, yeah. Turkey should have banned me when they had a chance if my Jimmy’s so crazy. If my prior work on Gobekli Tepe upset them, what I will share in the coming days, weeks is going to take things to another level.
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But because we are we were cunning around various security protocols and aided with exceptional ai, we got the footage. Our ancient history belongs to humanity. I agree. Anyone that opposes that has no place controlling our lost history. Good for you, Jimmy.
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Yeah. I mean, whatever you think about him, he was right about the trees. And the fact that they have these people kind of coming out defending the trees and saying the trees were good for archaeological sites just
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Yeah. I don’t know what Jimmy has a degree in, if anything, but he clearly knows a lot about ancient history, and he’s really interested in it. And this, again, this gatekeeping. Like, if you watch his videos and he constantly gets smeared with all sorts of different horrible claims that he’s this and he’s that.
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And it’s ai, if you watch his videos, you know that’s not true. He’s he’s just a guy who is very fascinated and deeply informed on a lot of the ai of all these different things and how interesting they are. And he likes to make videos of them, and that’s a good thing.
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Why shouldn’t he be allowed to speculate? He’s just a guy speculating.
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And he’s he’s really fair and balanced with how he talks about this.
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And he’s good at it, man. He he puts together arguments really well. And and you just mentioned the Reshot Structure thing. I I’ve watched his videos on that. I’m ai, it’s interesting, man, the way he kind of connects what Plato was saying about Atlantis and brings it all to the Rishat. It’s it’s interesting stuff.
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01:59:48
It’s very interesting. Because it’s also he talks about how Plato would talk about the mountains to the north and the river to the South. It’s ai, this all lines up.
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And concentric rings.
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This concentric rings in the same size Yeah. As was described as Atlantic.
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And the Tamarac River system used to run. Yeah. So it was surrounded by ai. So it could have
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been How come everybody’s like, nah.
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Well, it’s because you can’t prove it in it.
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Well, it’s a little bit of that, but it’s also because this YouTube guy is the one talking about it. And that’s if they admit that he was right, that would drive them fucking crazy.
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They had to with the trees. Yeah. They had to move them. Yeah. Which is for me.
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But I think he’s right about Atlantis too. I think he might be right. There’s something about that that’s weird. It’s also weird if you look at it from a a satellite perspective. The satellite imagery where you get to see where it it all looks like it’s been washed over by water.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, the whole thing looks exactly like sand looks when the tide comes in and then pulls back.
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Yeah.
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It’s all rippled, and it looks like it was pummeled by water.
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Yeah. Meh Match the sinking into the sea in a single day ai night.
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02:00:53
Exactly. And also, like, how many stories from ancient history depict floods? There’s so many of them. Like, we can’t are we gonna ignore all of them as myth?
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Well, the idea that myth doesn’t hold any kind of use in understanding the past is just ridiculous because the myth is powerful because it’s the thing we’ve collectively remembered as a speak, isn’t it? So Yes. Why would we dismiss that as a kind of, you know, historical record?
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And then you’ve got examples of, like, indigenous cultures that remember that they remember kind of scientific information through myth. I always go to this example of these kind of, islanders during the tsunami in 02/2004. And they they the way it went to be, it was the Andaman Islands and the kind of, you know, Western ai or whoever went to the island after the Boxing Day tsunami.
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And they were like, meh, everyone’s gonna be dead. Like, they’re all gonna have been wiped out by ai tsunami. And they were fine because they had this myth in their culture that when the sea recedes, you get to high ground because then the waves are gonna come that will eat men.
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Yeah. And that myth, you know, that has encoded scientific information regarding tsunamis, and that saved their their cultures ai. And they had, like, no casualties compared to, you know, western or modern people who
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have been crazy. Everybody else was like, wow. Look at all the sand. Yeah.
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And they were like, what? I thought
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the beach was over here.
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Yeah. Then they would get fucking killed. And then these people with their myths, scientific information survived.
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There’s a guy who was hiking in Russia when the most recent tsunami hit, and he was on a cliff. And you see the ocean come in and, like, reach the top of the cliff where his dog is, see if you could find it. It’s It’s terrible. Crazy. Because he films the thing coming in. Like, this guy is way above the ocean Yeah. Yeah. When it starts.
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And then the water is reaching where he is with his dog.
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It’s just further testament to the power of nature. We’re we just constantly underestimate nature. And
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And that was just a little wiggle in the ocean. Mhmm. That’s just a little wiggle. Just a little earthquake. Little earth. Little little eight pointer.
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And then you think, oh, look at some of the shit that’s going on during all time on Earth.
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02:03:01
Comet impacts and like, watch this. So look how high this guy is. Right?
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He’s way up.
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Way up. Right? And so as he’s up here, you know, he’s seen the waves come in. Now he must have known that this was going to happen because everybody knew this was gonna happen. Ai watch how it’s coming in now. And now it keeps coming. It keeps coming all the way to the top where he is. It’s nuts. Look at his dog.
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Oh, shit.
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His dog’s like, yo. Ai would be freaking out. I would be running. Shah.
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I would that, man.
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Ai wouldn’t trust it. What if it goes over the top where you’re at? You’re just guessing. Bro, look how high this water gets.
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Ai terrifying. Yeah. He’s out there now. Look at that.
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The dog’s about to get jacked. I mean, if you get trapped in that, like, the bitch you are not swimming to shore. That’s your life. It’s over. I don’t care if you’re Laird Hamilton. Well, he might swim through that. But isn’t that nuts?
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Yeah. Yeah. You’re fucked.
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That water got all the way to the top of that hill. Sai and that’s that is, like, doesn’t even register in the news. Yeah. That’s just, like, thing that
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happens all the time.
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That’s sai thing that hap it’s just ai a thing. Like, no big deal. No one will remember that in five years. No one will remember that in ten years. But if a fucking comet slams into the ocean right there or slams into a glacier, a comet the size of, you know, a few city blocks. That’s a wrap.
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02:04:37
Yeah. That’s a wrap. You you have massive flooding, like instantaneous millions of gallons of water tearing through the landscape. No more ice cap. It’s all gone.
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Yeah. And just any kind of culture that was possibly around, it’s just wipes completely ai clean from the Earth. Yeah. No record. Nothing.
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You’re at Dunsville. There’s nothing left. And that’s real. This isn’t speculation. Like, that we look at the Tunguska impact, and that was the same sort of comet storm that we passed through.
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Yeah.
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At the same time of year, and it flattened, like, this enormous chunk of Siberia that still doesn’t have trees on it.
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Yeah. And that was that’s quite a small thing.
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Yeah. And it didn’t even hit his air
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in the past. Yeah. Yeah. Sai And if that happened over a city, that’s, like, millions dead.
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Millions. So that could be happening on this planet on a regular basis.
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It is. Yeah. I mean, it just it’s ai of facts that we’ve we get hit by stuff.
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Yeah. We’re always finding a crater. We’re like, oh, this one’s 3,000,000 years old. Look at this fucking crater.
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Yeah.
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3,000,000 years ago, everyone’s
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fucked. If that if that estimate is correct that we’re hit by a, you know, a cataclysmic impact once every 100,000 years then, I mean, what does that mean?
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Well, that’s where it gets really weird if you’re talking about, like, an advanced civilization, like, you know, millions of years ago. Like, imagine if there was some sort of advanced life form millions of years ago, and then something like that hits.
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Have you seen that wheel that’s, like, 300,000,000 years old? Or or it’s like a preserve it looks just like a wheel. Have you seen you have a
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What is that?
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Jamie, could you please search 300,000,000 year old wheel? It’ll probably be a little bit
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TikTok a lot. Like, where are you getting this one?
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I’ve just seen it about. And, like, it looks like a wheel. It doesn’t mean it is a wheel, but it looks remarkably Well,
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there’s some of the stuff from
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That? Yeah. That’s the thing. Just kinda looks like a wheel. And they found it in a ai, and then they flooded the mine, which is a bit weird. But there’s a there’s a couple better images of it. I don’t know if they’ll be on this page, but, yeah. There you go. That looks they it’s ai spokes in a wheel. And Ai meh, could be vatsal, but, I mean Oh. What the fuck is that, you know?
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02:06:53
That looks really weird. Now what are these these fossilized tracks?
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Yeah. These are also super old. They’re called cart ruts.
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Again, found in Turkey.
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Yeah.
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Right? Including Sofka, where they like how I said that? Where they cover an area approximately 45 by 10 tyler. And how do you say that one? There’s a lot of words today, but I’m not gonna sai. Cappadocia? Yeah. Home to several clusters of tracks. The discovery of these ruts around the world has sparked debate regarding their purpose, age, and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of the tracks to megalithic structures and the fact that some are now submerged beneath the sea.
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Yeah. I’ve seen some of them in water. I went to water, and they go off cliffs.
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02:07:37
Many researchers suggest these fossilized lines indicate significant antiquity. So if this is ai mud that they were pulling these things through or dirt that they were pulling these things through, and then it eventually fossilized into tracks, like, what else would be the explanation for something that looks exactly like tracks?
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Is there a vatsal explanation for those kind of formations?
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I don’t I don’t see anyone providing.
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No one has an no one has ai name?
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I I didn’t really know about the ones ram Motiv because I went there and kinda researched it, but they those ones, they don’t dispute their they’re definitely man made. They just
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02:08:14
Well, hold on. They’re definitely man made? Because listen to what this says. I first saw tracks in saloni, fossilized car or terrain vehicle traces, usually called cart ruts, on Neogen plantation surfaces, penip penipeline in Ai For Phrygian Plain. Phrygian Plain in May 2014. They were situated in the field of development of middle and late how do you say that? Meocene? Meocene tuffs? Yeah. And tough tough ai.
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And according to age analysis of nearby volcanic rocks, had middle Miocene age of 12 to 14,000,000 years.
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Yes. This is Turkey, not Malta. But, again, Ai mean, you’ve got these cart ruts that look like, you know, some sort of track, and it’s millions of years old, and then you just
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find that wheel nearby. That’s fucking crazy.
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And you’re like, what is this?
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I will look at what this says. Koltypin holds, okay. The region that doctor Koltypin studied is relatively obscure with guidebooks offering little to no information about it. While mainstream researchers argue that the tracks are merely petrified remnants of old cart ruts left by wheeled vehicles pulled by donkeys or camels, Koltypin holds a different perspective.
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02:09:32
Rejecting these conventional explanations, he stated firmly, I will never accept it. I will always remember many other inhabitants of our planet wiped from our history. His research suggested a deeper, perhaps forgotten history of Earth and its past civilizations. Like, what?
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Because if it is that’s the Silurian hypothesis. If it was millions of years ago, how would we just we wouldn’t know.
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Can you imagine millions of years ago, people had the wheel? Or something.
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Ai not meh people.
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Something, whatever they were, was pulling things on wheels. Yeah. And they had cart ruts in the ground. So maybe they didn’t have. This is fucking crazy. Coltypin theorizes that the civilization responsible for driving these heavy vehicles likely built the numerous identical roads, ruts, and underground complexes scattered across the Mediterranean region more than twelve million years ago.
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02:10:30
He acknowledges that petrification can occur relatively quickly, but points to the heavy mineral deposits on the tracks and signs of erosion as evidence of much ole of a much older timeline. He also connects these tracks to surrounding underground cities, irrigation systems, and wells, which he believes are millions of years old.
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Yes. That’s like Devon Crewe. Three. So what if Devon three is millions of years old and his tracks are related to it?
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02:10:57
This is so crazy. On his website, Koltepin wrote oh oh, I’m not fucked his name up. We are dealing with ai, petrified sediments covering covered with a thick layer of weathering that takes millions of years to develop, full of multiple cracks with newly newly developed minerals in them, which could only emerge in periods of high tectonic activity.
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02:11:21
Woah. Pretty crazy, That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. That’s crazy because I knew those cart ruts existed, but I didn’t look into them. I didn’t know what the ai was. I didn’t know that there’s anybody that’s even speculating. That thing looks like a fucking wheel.
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And it’s right in the same place.
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02:11:43
So you
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got this fossilized wheel and these fossilized cart ruts from hundreds of millions of years ago.
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02:11:48
The wheel was printed in a sandstone on the of the roof. Guys, drifters ai to cut away the find with the pickhammers and ai to take it out to the surface, but sandstone was so strong and firm, and having been afraid to damage a print, they have left it in place. At present, the mine is closed, and access to the object is impossible. The equipment dismantled and the given layers are already flooded. Meh in there.
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02:12:20
Ai would you flood that?
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I think it was something to do with, like, just I don’t think it’s, like, some conspiracy, like ai the wheel, hide the wheel, but, I mean, maybe it would. But I think it’s more just ai a the practice of what they would they will finish their mining thing and they found this wheel.
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02:12:33
They weren’t gonna excavate the wheel because they were like
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Ai, if that’s a real wheel if if someone can carve that out of there and realize, like, if scientists look at it, they get a three d scan of it and they go, okay. We have to completely rethink everything. If something had a wheel twelve million years ago
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300,000,000. Three hun
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what? Nuts. Like, what are we talking about?
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I mean, it would it would be like the saloni hypothesis. It would be another it wouldn’t be human unless, you mean, we’d have to radically rewrite everything if that was human.
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02:13:07
What does that mean then? Like, what are we talking about? Like It’s
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different intelligence. Some other species.
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So maybe there was something like us that lived like medieval humans. That was millions of years ago.
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It’s the same problems. Like, we have like, if they’re living on Earth, they’re dealing with the same kind of physics. They, you know, they have to move materials around. Like, why would you not come up with the
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same kind
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of thing like a wheel? Like, it’s a simple invention.
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That’s what’s interesting too. And we’re always finding new dinosaurs. Like, that’s a common thing. Yeah. Right? And if these were a type of human being or something similar to human beings that buried their dead Yeah. What are we gonna find? Like, what are we gonna find after twelve million years?
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Nothing. Except for maybe a fossilized wheel.
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Yeah. Or these wheel tracks. Yeah. Well, what is the conventional explanation of these wheel tracks?
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I don’t know. But the I know all I know about the ones in Morton, they they definitely say they’re man ai. I don’t know about these ones in Turkey. I haven’t really looked into it.
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But Those are crazy.
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I know.
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And then the fact that they go to underground structures Yeah. Help me.
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I know. Well, they they’re near there. I don’t think they directly lead to, like, Derinkuyu or anything, but they’re they’re nearby. And then so then you start to think, what if Derinkuyu is, ai, you know, to be fair, ai I think that’s probably man made. But, you know, it’s stone.
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So
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Well, I’m sure it’s man made. But, like, what kind of man?
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And it could have been man adapted. It could have already been something there, and we kind of changed it.
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02:14:32
That would be completely fucked if we found out there was another type of of human that existed that did all that twelve million years ago.
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Well, it wouldn’t it wouldn’t even have to be a human. It could be any kind of Right. Life. It’s just intelligence.
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02:14:44
Right. But there’s no evidence that anything other than primates have been that capable of manipulating their environment other than primates. Right?
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I guess so. Yeah.
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02:14:52
When we also know that there’s certain we’re finding new ones all the time. Right? This one that they found, I keep fucking it up. Homo julienne’s, is that it? Ant Antikythera? Close. Antikythera. Ant Antikythera. I’m gonna get that right. But I fucked this one up too, the Homo julienne’s. But this one was larger than us.
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02:15:15
It had a larger brain capacity, and, they know that they they just that I mean, this was just published in December ’24. So they know that they’re constantly finding new branches of the human tree.
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02:15:31
Yeah. And then you got Denisovans or Denisovans, ai they you pronounce that. And they just reclassified that Dragon Meh scholars Denisovans, and that was sai huge,
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02:15:42
Yes. So Juluensis. Is that ai you would say that? I’ve never heard of this. Yeah. Because it’s really new. Yeah. A new big headed archaic humans. Bigger than us. With big ass heads and big brains. Well, then you kinda get into the
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thing of, like, giants and stuff and, like, could giants have been real and
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02:16:03
Seems like that’s a giant.
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Exactly. And you there is there is giant primates that have been, like, confirmed, like gigantopithecus or whatever it’s called. And then you have hobbit humans ai Homo, fluorescence or ai you pronounce that. But you so you have a hobbit humans, you have giant primate primates.
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Why can’t you have giant humans?
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02:16:19
I think they did. I think that’s why giants are always in the ai. And I think this thing how how old is this fossil that they found of Juluensis? So this one existed alongside, I believe, alongside at least some versions of man. Does it say how old it is?
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300.
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300,000 or million?
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A million. So that would that would just overlap with us then.
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02:16:56
300,000 years old?
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Yeah.
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02:16:58
Right. So but here’s the thing. They don’t have a lot of this stuff. They don’t have a lot of evidence of this creature. So right. So they have I believe it’s one site. Is that correct? Is there one site where they found this?
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It’s partly on a very large skull found in China.
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02:17:13
Yeah. So how many have they not found? That’s the real real problem with us in this whole fossil record thing, is that we’re dealing with a very limited amount of information. It’s very difficult to become information. It’s It’s very difficult to become evidence.
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Especially when you get up to these again, it’s the preservation problem. We can’t when you get back this far, it’s so hard to find stuff. You should
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02:17:34
see what this thing looks like when they do, like, a three d image of a depiction. First of all, they make it look super primitive. They cover it with hair and give it jack muscles. It looks like this freak. But whatever it is, it’s way bigger than us. Mhmm. And it’s a human, and it lived alongside us. So David and Goliath, it’s right there.
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And there’s also the I think it’s called Meh, which is
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02:17:56
yeah. That’s what it look ai, supposedly. These Meanwhile, I probably had a calculator.
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02:17:59
They make everything Probably a cannon. Everyone’s stupid and walking around in
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02:18:03
Yeah. Everyone’s stupid. Everyone has a stick in their hand.
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02:18:06
When I was looking up that wheel, I came across the London Hammer.
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02:18:10
Oh, I’ve heard of that too, but I heard that that was that was dissolved. I did not see
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I mean, it doesn’t make sense. I’ll just go with that. It’s it was found in 1936, I think, but the limestone around it is supposedly a 100,000,000 years old.
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Oh, shit. I never heard of this.
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02:18:25
Yeah. Someone had an explanation for that.
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Texas. London, Texas, not England. Just so No.
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Yeah. Someone had an explanation for that. I don’t remember what it was.
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Yeah. I’m just looking over mysteries. A lot of people discussing it.
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02:18:37
Why don’t you look up, London Hamburg debunked?
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Ai I mean, wouldn’t someone sana debunk it?
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I know they would, but I wanna know if they’re ai. You know? I’m sure someone would want to.
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There’s lots of I’m just going there’s lots of people saying it’s real and fake, and there’s just not a lot of explanation on how it was found in the old limestone.
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02:18:57
Okay. Radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle and the geological analysis have largely debunked the idea of extreme antiquity. More details. The arya, the London hammer is a metal hammerhead with a wooden handle found partially encased in a concretion hard compact mass of mineral matter.
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02:19:14
The claim some have interpreted the hammer’s presence in the rock as evidence of advanced ancient civilizations or a young earth pointing to the seemingly anomalous placement of a modern looking tool in ancient rock. Evidence against antiquity radiocarbon dating of the wooden handle has placed its origin within the historical period, not millions of years. Geological processes, the concretion itself is not necessarily ancient.
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02:19:38
This is what I read. Minerals and solution can harden around objects dropped or left in cracks or on the surface of soluble rock according to Gaia. Out of place artifacts while the concept of out of place artifacts can be intriguing, the London hammer doesn’t meet the criteria of being considered an out of place artifact as its geological context and dating suggest a more recent origin.
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You know, one of the things that I, always go to with Egypt is those really bizarre looking things that almost look like ai a a part of a machine, ai a that wheel thing.
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A schist disc, I think.
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02:20:17
Yeah. Ai I don’t I don’t remember what it’s called. Some kind of a disc. Yeah. But it looks like a part of something, like almost a fan. You’re looking at that, like, okay. What is that thing doing? Is that a turbine? Is that in water? Does, like, something spin? Like, what is that? Yeah. That’s right.
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The fact that that’s real, that that one drives me nuts.
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It literally looks exactly like something
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I mean, that’s a replicate. Right? Ai
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of a machine.
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Meh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they found the pieces of I’ve seen someone put it. They’ve cranked it up in water, and it can, like, displace water in a very unique way. Yes. I don’t know if that’s, you know, the use of it, but that’s a
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see if you can get an image of the actual one, not a a recreation ai I think there’s been some some of them, they’ve recreated it because I think it’s a very valuable thing. So when people are looking at it, I think a lot of times they’re looking at recreations. But what whatever it was, no one can figure it out. Right?
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02:21:10
And it’s carved out of stone. So how? What would it what are you doing? What’s that thing do? You know? Yeah.
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02:21:18
That thing looks like a part of a machine. It it looks like a part. Like, if, you know, like, you have some ancient machine and you’ve got a does a bunch of things ai it It’s
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02:21:28
a it’s a beer mixer. Right. Which would but but I mean, if you go with Ai Mararesco, then I need to mix up that stuff up somehow.
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02:21:35
That’s true, actually. Right? But it’s probably Beer.
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But
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It’s probably just one of many different tools that we’re missing from back then. If that is just their stuff for making what they call beer. Ai Muraresco is the guy who wrote the immortality key. I don’t know if you ever, read any of his stuff, but a lot of it is about, ancient ancient Greece and the Eleusinian mysteries.
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02:21:57
Psychedelics again. Yes. Yeah. Psychedelics. Yeah.
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02:21:59
Yeah. But a lot of it is, you know, what we think of as beer and ai, their all their stuff was laced. Yeah. It was all laced with ergot and a bunch of other stuff and different psychedelics that we haven’t really identified yet.
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02:22:11
Yeah. And they combine that with that kind of spirituality and
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02:22:14
Yeah. Everything. And that’s why they built the society that they built. Yeah. Which is the craziest thing about, you know, our weirdo technological advanced society is disconnected from that because it’s illegal.
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Disconnected from the stars as well. Disconnected from Ai pollution.
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. And we’re just all ai rushing around in this really hectic life of just, like, you know, gotta do this, gotta do this, and
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just Mhmm.
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Not sitting back and kind of appreciating what was that?
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This is from an unknown author and read it. That’s when they put it on a drill.
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02:22:47
Oh, so they made one of it and put it on a drill? Yeah. That’s great if you have a drill. Sai we’re assuming that the Egyptians had a drill. I’m assuming
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they had a drill.
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They definitely. I mean,
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they have the most drill holes, don’t they? And they find all these
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02:23:00
cool holes. And people are like, oh, that’s normal.
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Yeah.
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Well, I can explain that away.
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02:23:04
That spiral thing. I can’t remember what it’s called, but, what’s it called? The the Chris Dunn did ai a he put, like, a thread around it to show it was a spiral
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02:23:11
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes.
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The groove of it.
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02:23:13
Yeah. And he also estimated the revolutions per minute Yeah. That would take to do something like that. Yeah. So you’re you’re talking about something that, like, is going into extremely hard rock and looks like it has some extremely hard tip that can cut that rock. Like, what is it made
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02:23:29
out of? Yeah. That’s it. That’s it. And these arya, like, serious people. These are engineers that are saying this kind of thing. And Mhmm. The problem is that, you know, archaeologists and Egyptologists are all a sai certain type of person that don’t have the expertise in, like, ai know, recognizing machined artifacts.
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02:23:45
Also, they’re dorks and they don’t connect with people because they they’re so arrogant and when the way they talk about these things. It it speak people out and it makes them not wanna listen. This is, I think, the thing that frustrates them the most about alternative historians like Graham Hancock.
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02:24:02
He’s really interesting. Yeah. He’s compelling. He’s a great communicator as well. Great communicator and wonderful ai. And people love him, and they go, oh, fuck that guy.
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02:24:11
He’s our racist. He’s a
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02:24:13
this. He’s a that. And he’s more popular than them as well.
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02:24:16
Yes. That’s what drives them nuts. But what it should be exciting to them because it it’s it’s stimulating people’s desire to know where we come ram, and that’s supposed to be your business. That’s supposed to be what you’re into.
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And all he’s doing is asking questions and, like, putting forward a fee. I don’t think Graham would ever claim to, like, be, you know, certain or to he’s just saying this could be possible, you know.
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02:24:41
Yeah. He’s got some ideas that I think are a big stretch, and then he’s got some ideas that I think are dead on the head. But he will tell you that himself.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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He will tell you that himself. He’s just trying to figure this out.
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And that’s the position he always has come from. Yes. And but they kinda see it, and they sai, how dare you claim that you have proof? And I don’t think he’s ever said he’s got proof.
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02:25:02
Nice and sensitive person that, like, this stuff really fucking hurts his feelings.
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I can imagine, mate. It must be hard.
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02:25:08
It’s not necessary. Everybody should be working together. They really should. And the academics, everyone knows that you had a limited amount of information before and there’s more information now. Ai, your students are not sana hate you if you sai, listen, I wrote a whole book on this. This is so crazy, but I was so wrong.
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They would respect you more.
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02:25:28
They were probably Ai
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would respect you more.
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02:25:30
Yeah. The thing about it is, like, that book is still out there, and academics like to point at each other and make fools of each other. They really love to do that. They really do love to I see them do it to each other on Twitter all the time. They’ll dismiss someone’s credentials and say his work is shah, and they’re ai, god, you’re such bitches.
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02:25:48
That’s like that bryden to each other. Let alone someone who’s
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02:25:51
To each other. Yeah. Ai high school girls, like, talking shit about each other in chat messages, you know? Or high school boys, they do the same thing. Yeah. But it’s or fucking grown men do it, obviously. And these guys are just like that. There’s but it’s also I think some of these guys are socially stunted because they’ve they spent so much time with their head in academia and their head in books that they don’t realize that the rest of the world sees that behavior in a very transparent way.
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02:26:20
If you’re acting like a bitch online and all you do is say mean things about people, it’s that’s not you’re not hiding what you are. Every reasonable person sees that and instantaneously knows what’s going on. This is irrational behavior. You’re calling people racist because they’re questioning the ai of human civilization based on evidence, based on really bizarre things that no one can explain based on water erosion on rocks.
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02:26:54
Now you’re racist. Like, what are you talking about?
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02:26:57
It’s just a way of, like, you know, shutting down the ai. I think
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02:26:59
It’s exactly what it is. It’s exactly what it is. But it’s it’s done by people that are socially stunted, And they don’t understand that most normal rational people who see them behave this way are never going to listen to them again. By doing this bitchy thing, you have discounted your own participation in any true, like, intellectual discourse, because everybody knows you’re a bad faith actor now. You’re a bad person.
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02:27:26
You’re you’re you’re saying things because you’re trying to shut down a conversation instead of saying, Tyler me what you did. How’d you get to this? So what is he saying? Water erosion. Woah. Show me. Show me the water erosion. Well, fucking hell. That does look like water erosion. Okay.
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02:27:45
Maybe we should, like, reevaluate this.
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02:27:46
Maybe we should bring you in to teach. Yeah. You know? Like, what are we doing? We’re we’re we’re gatekeeping. We’re gatekeeping information because it’s protecting fragile egos of socially stunted people.
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02:27:57
Yeah. And they’ve always, you know, they they Not
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02:28:00
to say they haven’t done great things.
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02:28:02
They exactly have done great things.
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02:28:03
Do deserve the credit for that. But we should give them amnesty for fucking up.
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02:28:07
But no one yeah. I mean, we wouldn’t be able to talk about these things without, you know, mainstream for ai Sai know.
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02:28:13
Imagine what Harry in the math department when you’ve been shitting on his string theory, and now it ai, oh, look. Look who’s wrong about the ai. Yeah. Oh, it’s Mike the fucking genius. They’re, like, shit at each other and throwing coffee at each other. They’re a bunch of animals.
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02:28:28
They’re just ai like any other group of meh, you know.
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02:28:32
It’s just a human thing, isn’t it? We’re all just humans. Sure. That’s just, you know, how
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02:28:35
Chess players cheat. Yeah. Exactly. Ai, even genius ones.
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02:28:39
And often, like, these people, this is, like, you know, the thing that they’ve worked on and the kind of biggest success they’ve had in their lives. Yes. They don’t want that taken away.
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02:28:47
They don’t want it taken away, and they don’t wanna deal with those other academics who are gonna stick it in their face.
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02:28:52
Yeah.
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02:28:53
Forty years, Bob. Forty years you’ve been teaching lies. How’s that feel? How about all those college kids that left with a real fucked up view of human history because of you, Bob?
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02:29:04
Come on, Bob. Yeah. I mean Poor Bob. Poor Bob.
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02:29:06
Is gonna just, like, write a note and blow his brains out.
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02:29:10
Yeah. But I mean, I don’t know. I just I hope that things are gonna shift over ai, and over the next few decades, we’re gonna see a big
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02:29:17
One funeral at a time.
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02:29:18
I guess so that is the Max Planck quote, isn’t it? But I hope it doesn’t have to take that long.
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02:29:22
And I
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02:29:22
wish people would shift their positions, man, because
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02:29:25
Well, again, I think new people coming in. It’s like a lot of things. You know? New people come in. They have new ai. And the old dinosaurs
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02:29:34
Yeah. Ai think it’s I don’t know. Our adherence to these ideas has kind of distorted our understanding of history and has kind of prevented us for looking for things because, you know, we assume that these things oh, shit. Sorry.
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No worries.
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02:29:46
Almost unplugged the microphone.
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02:29:47
That wheel is still freaking me out.
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02:29:49
Yeah. It’s crazy, It’s crazy. But we just don’t look for these things.
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02:29:52
Have you seen any of Jesse Ai stuff?
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02:29:55
He’s the, ai UAP kinda guy, isn’t he?
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02:29:58
Yeah. I
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haven’t really. I don’t I I do kinda delve into that, but I don’t I mean, I don’t like talk about or anything, but
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02:30:04
His latest one
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02:30:06
is Is this still the mummy? The Yes.
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02:30:08
The ai mummies in Peru.
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02:30:10
Meh. The one.
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02:30:11
Where they’ve done scans of them, and they have a fully intact bone structure. Looks like an actual creature, fully intact. Three feet.
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02:30:21
Three
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toes, different shaped head than us. Whatever it is, like and also 1,700 years old. Like, what is that?
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02:30:28
So what’s the, like, debunking of that?
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02:30:30
Well, there’s some of them that people have made that seem to be a complete fabrication. It seems to be some of them, they’ve pieced together bones and created, like, a fake artifacts and ai to sell it off. But then there’s these other ones that were found that don’t look like that at all. They look like they’re they’re huddled up.
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02:30:51
One of them has a fetus inside of it. Yeah.
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02:30:54
What the fuck?
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02:30:54
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They and whatever these things are, show them the video when when you see the scans of it. American Alchemy, Jesse Ai, awesome show.
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02:31:04
Yeah. He’s cool, man. I watched a show on here. He’s awesome.
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02:31:07
Yeah. Meh I c h e l s.
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02:31:11
And didn’t isn’t there also I might have made this up, but isn’t there also, like, depictions of this in kinda ancient Yes. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah.
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02:31:18
Ancient artwork. Three fingered, three toed people with big heads.
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02:31:21
Oh, that’s weird then. Weird.
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02:31:24
When you see this thing, this thing looks exactly like these this is it. This is an actual scan of this mummy. Look at the size of the head. Look at the shape of the head. Look at all the bones. Look at all the ribs, everything. That’s fucking bananas. Now, Jamie, show him what it looks like before they scan it. So they they found them encased in I think it’s dichotomous earth.
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02:31:53
Is that what it was? But how old do they think the these things are?
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02:31:57
Some of them are 700 years old, and some of them are as old as 1,700 years old.
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02:32:01
Just but they’re not that old, though.
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02:32:03
But look at that thing. So this thing this thing
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02:32:07
That is ridiculous.
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02:32:08
That seems to be an actual mummy of a real creature. Yeah. And here’s the thing, like Is that Jesse there? No. Yeah. Jesse’s right there.
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02:32:18
There he is. Yeah.
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02:32:19
Jesse is doing real journalism on this. This is what’s it sounds crazy to everybody, including meh, as it comes out of my mouth. But then when you look at that scan, not crazy anymore. That’s one of a smaller one. But the bigger one with the big head, that one right there, that one’s crazy. Like, what the fuck is that?
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02:32:37
If that was a person you would run for the hills Mhmm. With a head that shah, with three fingers and three toes, and the fact that they have artwork depicting these things that goes back
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02:32:47
Yeah. Because because if it’s a fake, then how are they depicting it?
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02:32:50
Right. What is this? Like, did they have look at look at the scans of the foot. Go back to that. This is crazy. It’s almost if like, it defies the possibility of it being fraudulent. It defies it. It’s ai, make that. You show me how you can make that, where you can scan it, and you see the tissue and the ligaments, and the tendons, and the cartilage, and the joints, and they’re not human shaped.
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02:33:23
Yeah.
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02:33:24
That’s pretty crazy.
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02:33:26
Ai really looked into this, but this is kinda nuts.
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02:33:28
If these arya real creatures that existed at one point in time alongside us, and they’re just now finding them, now then you get to you get into ultimate weirdness because, like, okay. What’s the NASCA lines for? Because that’s the same part of the world.
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02:33:43
Yeah. And then there’s there’s another weird, like, artwork of kinda, like, things that look alien and Yeah. In, you know, South America.
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02:33:49
Well, there’s one of the NASCA lines. Looks like a fucking space suit. Mhmm. Looks like a guy in a space suit. And, also, like, why would you make artwork that you can only see from the sky?
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02:33:57
Yeah. That’s always puzzled me about that. Weird.
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02:34:00
So weird. The same part of the world where you’re finding these things.
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02:34:03
Mhmm. And they’ve all they’re they’re, like, perfectly done as well. Yeah. And they’re perfect, like, you know, lines and shapes and Weird. Geometric. And they
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02:34:11
keep finding new ones.
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02:34:12
Yeah. They do. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s very strange.
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I mean, South America is just, you know, it’s I think South America and Egypt slash Turkey are the two ai areas that are the most kind of, you know, mysterious. And, like, there’s so much going on there that I think we haven’t quite acknowledged how much mystery there is still left. And, yeah, fascinating.
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Especially when you throw this in. I mean, I haven’t read I haven’t looked into this at all, but
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Crazy.
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Gonna have to start watching Jessie’s
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Jessie’s What is that?
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Yeah. That’s ai
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02:34:38
And what if they find out that’s not a human at all?
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Well, I mean, it doesn’t look like a doesn’t look like a human.
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02:34:43
No. Right. Like, I mean, it could be. I guess it’s kind of a human. Bizarre mutation. Right? Like, those ostrich feet people in Africa. Have you seen that?
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Yeah. Yeah. I guess so. It’s possible
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02:34:55
that there’s some weird mutation, and this is a bunch of people with big heads and three fingers and three toes. But it doesn’t seem like it. Mhmm. It seems like something different. Also, what are you doing with three fingers? You’re operating electronics only. Like, you ain’t picking shit up. You can’t do anything.
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02:35:12
You don’t have opposable thumbs. The idea that you have something that looks like us, it doesn’t have opposable thumbs, like
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Yeah. That’s like a big evolutionary kind of a a vantage. Yeah.
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02:35:20
What is this thing doing? Yeah. What are you doing? Unless all you do is, like, put your hand on a on a machine and you control everything tyler with telepathy, and you just control it by touching it. Yes. And you don’t need you know, maybe it gets to sai point where we stop using our thumbs, and they just fucking drift away.
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We only need a couple of digits.
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So what I like what is, like, Jesse’s theories on what Oh,
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02:35:41
their fingers have an extra digit too. What does that mean? So you know how, like, you know, your your finger blends in a certain way? They have what is an extra phalange? What would you call it? An extra little you know, you have, like, one, two, three bones. They have a fourth.
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02:35:56
Fourth bone sai you could type quicker with the three fingers. I don’t fucking know. But it’s, like, that’s not us. That’s something weird. The skull shape is weird, but it looks like a real thing.
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Yeah. If that’s real, that kinda, you know, changes everything.
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Changes everything. And you don’t hear in the New York Ai. You’re not seeing in the New York Post. It’s not in the Wall Street Journal, but they might have actually found a life form in mummified form that’s not us.
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Mhmm.
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02:36:26
That looks a lot like these fucking aliens that people have been talking about since the beginning of time.
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And And why is so why is no one talking about ai except for Jesse?
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02:36:34
I don’t know, man. Look at that. Look at the x rays of him. Look and see how it has an extra little thing at the end.
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02:36:39
That’s an incredible fake if that’s a fake.
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02:36:41
That’s not our fingers, man. That’s a little extra joint. And it’s not the fingers aren’t even. You would have to be ai the freakiest long fingered motherfucker that’s ever lived to have fingers that long. Mhmm. Those are weird.
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And meh.
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02:36:53
That’s not us. That’s something different. That’s bizarre. Very bizarre. Again, anybody who tells you that we know it all, they’re full of shit. If that’s real, you don’t know anything.
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Yeah.
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02:37:08
If that’s real, if that becomes mainstream, if this is from Jesse, and I hope it does, and they do genetic testing on this thing, and then someone figures out what it is, and it’s got different chromosomes in us and different DNA than us, like,
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now what? Yeah. Exactly.
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02:37:25
Now what?
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What what are the chances we have got everything? You know? Because these people seem to think that, you know, we’ve got it all worked out now. You
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02:37:31
know? It’s zero. The chances are zero.
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02:37:32
It’s never been the case. And we’ve always thought we’ve had it all worked out. All the way through history, it’s always like, oh, now we know the answers. And it’s always we’ve there’s always a major paradigm shift around the corner.
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02:37:40
Exactly.
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So what’s around the corner now?
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02:37:42
Exactly.
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Something like this or the ancient civilization thing?
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Yeah. Well, it’s so fun though. It’s really exciting. It’s a really exciting time to find things out. Because if this had emerged fifty years ago, seventy five years ago, there’s no Jesse Ai. There’s no YouTube. There’s no podcast like this to talk about Jesse Michaels and send a bunch of people over to go watch it. More people know, the better.
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02:38:06
Let’s, like, look at this. This might be real. This is crazy.
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And that’s why it probably is coming out in this ai of day and age because the Internet’s not been around for very long.
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02:38:17
But why isn’t MSNBC covering this? Why isn’t CNN covering this? They should all be covering this. They should all be going, look at these scans that this YouTuber, Jesse Ai, did. If this is true, this seems like something that’s not a human being.
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Ai know. It’s just too
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Aliens are real.
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This is from 2017. They someone had found just a hand. Woah. It’s obviously the same
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02:38:42
Bizarre three fingered hand in 2017. Yeah. Mummified hand found in a tunnel in Peru.
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It said these finger these fingers had six bones in each Woah. Regular human bone has three.
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02:38:56
Woah.
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Dude. Mummified hand is made up of bone and skin suggesting that it’s not fake, unless it was somehow made using real bones, flesh, and skin. But how would you
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02:39:07
fake it? How would you do that a long time ai, then mummify it? Yeah. It’s all so strange. And that part of the world, they’ve had stories about these kind of creatures forever. That’s why they have all this artwork about them. Not only that, that is an exact replica. Like, when if you ever see the movie Moment of Contact, the James Fox movie, it’s about, an incident in an incident in Brazil in 1994, ’96.
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02:39:34
The Virginia, Brazil incident where there was a crashed UFO. These police officers went to go and see this crash. There was some sort of electrical storm, and then they found this creature that seemed to, have been injured from the craft. The guy picks it up, takes it in his car. They bring it to a hospital. The hospital refuses to treat it. They bring it to another hospital.
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That hospital, they don’t know what happened with the records or what happened, but they do know that the guy who carried it physically died of a horrible bacterial infection that they could not cure. They said it smelled like sulfur, and it had three fingers and three toes. It looked like that thing.
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It had a long head, and this whatever this creature was that is, you know, mummified, it looks exactly like what these people were talking about from this UFO crash in Virginia, Brazil. Like, it’s a it’s the entire folklore of the town. They have a a UFO when you enter into the town of Virginia.
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02:40:38
They have, like, this giant statue of a UFO. Ai? Like, ever there’s still people alive to this day that live in that town that will tell you the story. And you can go across town. You can go here. They all have the same story. There’s multiple UFOs in the sky. One of them crashed. They found two creatures.
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One of them was alive. They think one of them was dead. This whatever this crash site was, they bring in the movie moment movie excuse meh, movie moment of contact. They bring this police officer to the ai, and he starts weeping. Like, if that guy’s if he’s a liar, he’s the greatest actor of all time.
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The guy starts freaking out when he starts telling the story of what he found in the nineteen nineties. It, like, brings him back to that moment. The women who saw the the being, they’re, like, in their forties now. They were little girls when they saw it, and they all have the same story.
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And it matches
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02:41:28
Three fingered, three toed looked like that. Looked exactly like that.
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Man, if I wasn’t doing the ancient history thing, I’d love to talk about this stuff as well. It might
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be the same thing.
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Yeah. I mean, you never know. You never know. I’d love to, like, make make some, you know, connection. But thing is I don’t I just don’t wanna give anyone more ammunition to come after me and shit. Like, ai calling me
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02:41:49
a pseudo They’re coming after you, buddy.
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Don’t worry about it. After today. Yeah.
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02:41:52
Yeah. They’re going to after all the nonsense that we’ve talked. Probably. But it’s fun to talk nonsense, and this is definitely fun nonsense. But that body’s not nonsense. The Vardini thing, I don’t think is nonsense either.
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Which weird is a really match one. That’s ai of stories that, however long ago, matched to the mummified bodies. That’s that’s weird.
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02:42:09
Not just that, but biblical stories about creatures that are demons that smell like sulfur. Yeah. Right? If you’re terrified of something and you think you’ve decided that it’s a demon because it’s actually an advanced life form from somewhere else and it smells like sulfur.
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02:42:24
Like, whatever they have that got on this guy’s skin that gave him this horrible bacterial and it’s all documented. The guy died. He was a young, healthy soldier, and he’s dead within, like, a couple of weeks.
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Yeah. That’s that’s not going to
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They’re giving him antibiotics. This is the nineties. This is not ai the eighteen hundreds. You know, they’re treating him with modern meh, and they and he’s fucked, and he dies. What the fuck? Yeah. And this is the guy that was carrying the alien? Are you fucking kidding me?
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Mate, I need to look into this one.
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02:42:53
And it smells like sulfur, and it looks exactly like a thing that’s a real thing.
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02:42:58
Yeah. Or
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they have a real mummy of these things.
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02:43:00
Yeah. I know. Sai if
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you can just get an image, an artist depiction. So they had these kids describe what they sai, and they drew this three fingered, three toed little it’s ai almost like a purple looking thing.
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And do you think that’s linked in any way to all this kind of mysterious stone construction we find in South America that no one can really explain? And here we go.
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02:43:23
What is the image? The thing that was curled up in the ground. There’s ai sai image. Yeah. That one. That that one with the red eyes. No. Yeah. That one. That’s what it looked like. Somebody actually made a a sculpture of that, what exactly it looked like and gave it to us.
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02:43:39
We have it at the mother shah.
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But The thing is, if it was an alien, why would it look so human, if that makes sense? Unless it came from this planet, I suppose.
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02:43:46
Right. But does it look human? Well, it’s not so ai. Con that’s sai maybe that’s a constant thing when you evolve from primates. And maybe there’s a thing about the alien gray too that’s always been ai this archetype of what we eventually will become.
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What about the big, ai, skinny limbs Yeah.
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02:44:05
So this is how those guys described it. This is how they ai what it looked like. Man, that looks an awful lot like that creature.
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Uh-huh.
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02:44:13
The big eyes, the whole deal, the weird spindly body. That drawing right there where it’s hunched over, the one to the right of your cursor, yeah, that’s the one’s my favorite. Because it’s ai, what? Is ai? Like, I don’t know. I don’t know what the hell that is. But what if it’s real? And what if those things in Peru are exactly that thing?
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02:44:38
And what if, you know, this thing has visited human beings multiple times in history?
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02:44:45
So would you say it’s from another planet and
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02:44:47
Who knows? It might be from here. That’s Well,
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I just that’s why I think because if it’s got the kind of similar kind of, like, primate form.
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02:44:54
It it might look, if these things are they’re finding these mummified remains in Peru. Clearly, it was here. Why would we assume it’s not from here?
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Yeah.
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02:45:03
Like, maybe we just have a really inaccurate ai of life on this planet, and maybe some things went undersea, which sounds nuts. But then there’s all these fucking videos of things coming out of the water.
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That’s where I would hide if I it was trying to hide or Yeah. You know?
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02:45:20
I mean, if you’ve mastered gravity to the point where you create, like, a bubble around everything you arya you travel through it without any resistance whatsoever, and they they’ve clocked things going underwater that are going, like, 500 knots underwater. I have no idea how it does that.
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02:45:34
Yeah. Well, it’s all kind of, it’s like this inter I mean, you probably know more about this than me, but my only exposure to the ai of UAP thing was traditionally through I’m big fan of, Blink one eighty two, and there’s, Tom DeLonge is the
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02:45:47
I’ve had Tom DeLonge.
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02:45:47
Yeah. You’ve had him on. You’ve had Travis on as well. You need to get Travis. Mark on. He’s the third. Yeah. He’s complete the set.
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02:45:52
I love Travis.
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02:45:54
I’ve always I I’m in a band. I ai
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02:45:56
love Tom either. I just thought
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he was crazy.
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02:45:58
Ai thought he was crazy when I had him on before. And now I’m like, damn. I think he might be on to something.
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02:46:02
Well, he’s so cool. He’s always been a, like, an inspiration for me. Like, I make music, and he’s been, you know, a big, you know, inspiration for meh, but he always got me into he kinda got me into the UAP thing from a while ago.
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02:46:14
Yeah. He’s all in. But I do have to say that if I wanted if I was the government and I wanted to, like, spread a bunch of crazy stories about UFOs, Ai tell them to people like Tom. I guess so. Yeah. And Ai tell them to people like me. I mean, I think people do that on this podcast.
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02:46:31
I think some of the information that gets shared on this podcast is probably bullshit.
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02:46:36
To kind of like, you know, party the waters. Yeah.
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02:46:39
Yeah. And to prime people for disclosure. Yeah. I think the if I was in charge and, if I had done the Hal Puthoff thing, you know, the Hal Puthoff was assigned to do where he was so they they gave him a numerical value for all these different things that would be positively influenced by disclosure and negatively influenced.
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02:47:01
And you assign a value one through 10 to, like, what’s gonna happen to religion, what’s gonna happen to politics, what’s banking, all that stuff. And this was during the Bush administration. So Bush essentially said to Hal Putoff, the Bush administration said, we have been working on a crash retrieval program.
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02:47:19
We have vehicles that are not from this world. We are not alone. If we release this information to the general public and disclose it, what will be the negative impact? What will be the positive impact? Is it overall positive or is it overall negative? And everyone they there was a bunch of different independent people that they assigned this task to.
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02:47:42
Everyone came up with much more on the negative than on the positive, so they decided to not disclose it. This is Hal Pudov’s story. I can’t I can’t tell you if it’s true or not. Yeah.
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02:47:52
But why did they think it was negative meh negative? Just because it’s ai the
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02:47:55
shock impact. Yeah. Yeah. The shock. The the complete lack of any, real faith in authority figures. Uh-huh. Like, why would you listen to the president of The United States when there’s fucking UFOs reading your mind and traveling instantaneously here from wherever they’re they’re from?
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02:48:14
Yeah.
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02:48:14
Like, all of our systems of power and control, they all go away. Because we don’t you’re not in control anymore, clearly. The aliens are in control. People would worship the aliens.
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02:48:25
But do you but do you think they’re kinda, like, drip feeding us and then at some point Yes. It would come out? But then
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02:48:31
isn’t that gonna happen anyway? I don’t think it’s totally ai, because I think most things in the government are not totally organized. I guess I think there’s a lot of chaos going on at all levels of the government. I really believe that. And to think that in this top secret UFO crash retrieval world, there’s not a lot of chaos. Just human chaos in everything. There’s chaos in the FBI.
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02:48:52
They’re having problems. The CIA has its own problems. Every organization has great people and a bunch of clowns, and it’s a bunch of nutty people that don’t sana lose their positions of power and these little struggles, interoffice bullshit in every organization with human beings.
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02:49:08
So for sure, that’s the same thing with UFO disclosure.
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02:49:12
Yeah.
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02:49:12
And then, I think there’s also the problem with if there really is a crash retrieval program and it’s been going on for a long time and it’s been going on without congressional ai, that means you’ve been lying and you’ve been misappropriating money and
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02:49:25
Guns of jay who?
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02:49:27
Everybody’s fucked. Yeah. Yeah. So what’s the best way to, like you gotta saloni trickle out the information, and you gotta mix it up with a whole lot of bullshit, whole lot of nonsense and and then fly some drones over people and see how they respond. I remember
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02:49:41
that thing. That there’s something recently
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02:49:45
about that, wasn’t it? Yeah. The New Jersey thing. Yeah. There’s giant drones over New Jersey, and then they ai to find them with fighter jets. The lights would shut off, and they Was that take off.
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02:49:51
What was ai what how did they
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02:49:53
Who fucking knows? They just brush over that. Yeah. They say, oh, it’s ours. Like, they didn’t even tell us exactly what was going on, but it was almost like a national emergency. It was a national story. It was I remember Trump saying that he was not gonna go play golf in New Jersey because they were flying in New Jersey.
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02:50:10
Was this pre election? Was this before he became president? I think Was it Biden?
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02:50:15
I think it was during. Was it during? Yes. I think it was
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02:50:20
December, January ish.
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I think it was December.
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Like 2024.
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02:50:25
I don’t think he was the president yet.
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No. He became president January.
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02:50:29
Right. Right. Right. But it was a post election? It was post election. Right?
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02:50:33
Sai can’t remember is, Mike Ben saying that this has happened a couple of years in a row, and they were waiting for it to happen this year. It did. And then he also predicted it would just disappear a few weeks later, and it did.
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02:50:44
Yeah. Like, what was that? Maybe it’s just a grand show that they put on for us to distract us from some other stuff. Maybe there’s some banking fucking decisions that were going on at that time that we would have probably paid attention to.
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02:50:56
Yeah. I mean, ai at the drones.
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02:50:57
Yeah. No. That’s a real thing. Yeah.
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02:50:59
Of course. Of course.
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02:50:59
I would do that if I had some drones.
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02:51:01
Or maybe If
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02:51:02
I was trying to pull off some shenanigans.
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02:51:04
Couldn’t it just be, you know, like, advanced weapons or technology that, you know, we have or or, you know, your government has that could,
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02:51:14
Most certainly.
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02:51:15
Ai it doesn’t have to be alien just for it to be, like, more advanced than, like, the kind of public knows about, if that makes sense?
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02:51:21
Yeah. Most certainly. I I would imagine that a lot of what we’re dealing with is advanced American military craft and probably done through some top secret research that was real shady. Probably, a lot of people speak a whole lot of money doing this stuff, and there’s probably some like, this is people that have gone to s four and talked about it, you you can’t it’s all anecdotal, so you never really know if they’re telling the truth.
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02:51:50
But there’s been people that have no reason to lie that say that they have technology that is forty, fifty years past anything that you can imagine right now.
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02:51:58
Yeah.
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02:51:59
And they already have it. And they’ve been spending shit piles of money making the wildest things your mind can ever conceive of, and they already have it. And it probably looks super alien when they take it out.
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02:52:12
Yeah. I mean, why would they tell us what the most advanced thing they have is? They wouldn’t they wouldn’t that’s not gonna be public information, is it?
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02:52:18
Exactly. Exactly. So even current history is confusing.
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02:52:23
Yeah. Yeah. So the idea of
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02:52:27
you knowing exactly what happened five thousand years ago, shut up, bitch. You don’t know. You definitely don’t know if you find a 12,000,000 year old wheel.
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02:52:35
Ai, 300,000,000 year old wheel. It’s all too nuts. Yeah. Exactly. We don’t know what’s going on now. So how could we know what’s going on?
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02:52:42
So the wheel was 300,000,000 years, but the cart tracks the cart tracks are what? 12,000,000 years? I don’t know.
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02:52:47
That’s what this that’s what this guy says anyway. Listen.
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02:52:49
It’s all fun. It’s all fun, and it’s very interesting. And I’m I’m really glad you’re out there because, I have binge watched your show. You do a great job. It’s really informative and interesting and speculative and and fascinating because I just love the subject, and I think you just do a great job.
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02:53:05
So, I hope you get a lot of views, and, you keep doing it. And I’m I’m happy that you’re doing it, and I’m really, happy that you came here.
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02:53:12
Well, thank you, Joe. I mean, it’s been a great honor to be here, to be out in Austin. I’ve loved it. It’s incredible. What an experience. And, yeah, it’s been, really fun talking to you, and I’m super appreciative of the, opportunity. Yeah. So thanks so much.
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02:53:24
My pleasure. So tell everybody how to find you, social media stuff.
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02:53:29
Just put my name in. I’m I’m Michael Button, and I’m on YouTube, I guess. And they’ll probably find me if I’m doing my job correctly. That’s me on the screen. Michael Button one. Michael Button one. Yeah. There’s someone else out there who’s got my my ai, apparently. Yeah.
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02:53:40
So don’t go to Michael Button
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02:53:41
on your computer, man.
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02:53:43
Ai Button one. That seems so silly.
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02:53:45
Yeah. Pluck the other Michael Button. Come to me.
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02:53:47
Maybe he’s a nice guy.
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02:53:48
Yeah. Sure.
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02:53:49
He’s got
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02:53:49
a cool name. He’s
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02:53:50
got your name. Yeah. Alright. Well, thank you, brother. Appreciate it.
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Thank you, Joe. Thanks for being here. Bye, everybody.