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Cheers, mate. Cheers to you.
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Nice to meet
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you, man.
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Good to meet you.
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I’ve enjoyed your songs. How did you, well, first of all, how long you been doing music?
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I think most of my life. You know?
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Did you grow up in a musical family, or is it just something you picked up on your own?
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No. Ai everyone worked and made art when they weren’t working.
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Oh, okay.
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But, no music, really. But that I I liked Ai like music.
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Like, what ai of art did your family do?
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Like, my mom would always paint. She put, like, murals on the on the walls of the house and stuff. And my old man’s a mechanic, and he would be tinkering around, making all sorts of fun stuff, usually with his welder and whatnot. So I they were I felt like they were artistic Yeah. Folks, you know, but they didn’t they didn’t necessarily, do music. You know, they’re they’re smarter than that.
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And so, I only know of you from the videos that you put up on Instagram. Specifically, I think it was the United Healthcare guy was the first one.
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Yeah.
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Right? Which was really good, dude. It’s it’s the lyrics, you and the timing of it all, you captured the moment. And that song to me was ai, yeah. That’s what the fuck is going on.
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Right.
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That’s what’s really going on. They don’t give a shit about you and they’re just trying to make money. Mhmm. And that’s why when this guy got shot, there was this reaction from people Yeah. Which is very rare when someone gets assassinated when people celebrate Right. When someone’s not, like, a mass murderer or something.
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It was bizarre. It was bizarre. It’s it’s it’s I mean, it must mean something is if people are celebrating
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Yes.
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Somebody’s death Yes. Something is wrong.
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And all kind across both sides of the aisle, it’s not a political thing. It is a a human thing. They’re ai, these people, they take your fucking money, you pay them, and then when something comes up, you don’t get covered. Mhmm. And there doesn’t seem to be any repercussions. And to fight it, you have to go to court, and you usually don’t have the money to go to court.
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And they have a lot of fucking money. Right. And they, you know, have been doing this for a long ai. And now they’re using AI to make sure that they pay less. So they’re using AI to prove cases. And the the numbers are even lower than they were before.
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So UnitedHealthcare always had a lower number than industry standard. Right?
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Yeah.
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Now it’s even with with AI, they’re gonna be able to chop it down to even lower. It’s ai, what at what point in time does this become against the law? Like, at what point in time is this, like, it’s a con game. Like, you’re paying, you’re thinking you’re gonna get covered, and they’re ai, nah.
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The system would have to be revolution. I I mean, you can’t have health for for profit at that point. You’d have to socialize the the medicine at
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some point. Which I I agree with up until a point. The problem is human nature. And, like, if you, like, if you hurt your shoulder and you wanna get an you need to get an operation on your shoulder. You wanna go to a guy who does the Lakers. You know what I mean? Right. You wanna go to a guy who is like, this motherfucker is the cream of the crop. He is dialed in. He’s been doing this forever.
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He’s super focused and motivated and he drives a fucking Mercedes. Right? Right. The reason why he drives a Mercedes, he makes a lot of money doing what he’s doing. Yeah. You don’t want someone to not feel appreciated, not have the motivation to continue to continue to get really great at their ram.
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Ai, there’s there’s a a thing with just human beings. There’s a financial motivation that people have because it’s a quantitative thing. It’s a you could see it on a ledger. You know that you’re making more money because you’re doing this and you’re working harder and you’re getting this Yeah.
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Reward, whether or not it makes sense or not, as soon as you will eliminate that and everybody gets the same amount of money and every and then you’ll you you’d lose all the killers.
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Right. You
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lose all the No.
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All I mean is that you just don’t wanna have to go to an urgent care and it costs $500 to get a speak
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of 100%. Well, that’s a giant scam.
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So and but that’s that’s a scam that so many folks are stuck in, you know.
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That’s only part of the ram. You know, the health care scam, it goes so deep. There’s so many different layers to this fucking horrible den of vampires.
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Right.
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You know, because it’s whenever you can make profit off of people, and you’re you’re involved in a corporation, and then the corporation has an interest for the its stockholders want more money every year. They want more money every quarter. So that’s what they try to do. That’s their focus.
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And when you’re doing that with people’s ai and people’s health, like, that that should be illegal. That’s where it gets fucked.
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I suppose that’s why folks were Ai you know, it was it was upsetting to sai. You know, I felt like I actually had kind of an unpopular opinion about it and that ai, you know, why are we celebrating, somebody’s death? Like, that seems far out. To celebrate the murder of somebody with a gun.
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Not only shah, Sai believe unrelated to him in his case.
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Like, Ai mean, how how far out is that? And so I’ve I didn’t want you know, I’d I make I make these tunes, but that one in particular, I was like, how do I even how do I address this? What what do you even say so that
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I So how do you approach something? Like, do you sit down with a pad and pen, or do you start writing? Like, how do you how do you do you start singing?
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Step one is of avoid the work. So I went I Ai went for, you know, some long jogs. I wrote a song about Amazon instead and put up, like, Amazon is Santa Claus. And I kept sitting there, and it kept getting, you know, the situation was snowballing with the UnitedHealthcare thing. And Ai was like, okay. You gotta write.
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And at that point, it’s it’s a research project. You know? Let’s write let’s write 2,000 words so that we can have 300 to sing and boil down the essence of the issue and make it rhyme and, and put a jolly tune behind it. That’s really that’s that’s kinda how that that goes about.
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That sounds like super similar to stand up comedy. Yeah. I think Boil it down. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Get every and and Ai and you don’t it’s just punch ai. So find the punch line of everything. Mhmm. Find the punch line of everything. I never had the attention span to tell too much of a story or anything like that. So I like I Ai like just keeping it in punch ai. So I always like, you know, Mitch Hedberg and and Steven Ai. We’re so good at we’re so good at that.
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Just come out and lay out a bunch of punch lines immediately. If one doesn’t land, onto the next one.
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Well, they their whole that was the daunting thing about their act, which is so impressive, is vatsal it’s all non sequiturs. So every subject is new. Yeah. Every time they open their mouth, it’s a new subject.
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Right.
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Which is kind of crazy. It’s a crazy way to do comedy. Yeah. But when you’re an absurdist, it’s probably the best sai, because it’s an absurd way to think. Mhmm. Right? You’re just going from one subject to the next in each minute burst. Yeah. You know?
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Somebody asked me if I want a frozen banana and I said, no. But I want a regular banana later. Sai, yes. Yeah. That’s like such a ridiculous joke.
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Ai used to love listening to him in particular when I was in traffic because it would, like, chill me out. Like, if I was headed to the airport in LA and it was this fucking clusterfuck on the highway, it was just I’ll just throw on some Mitch Hedberg and just start giggling.
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It was just silly, you know.
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He’s he’s one of the coolest
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He was awesome. He was awesome. He was awesome. Let’s play that song. Jamie, can you find that one? The UnitedHealthcare song? I wanna play it. So people know what we’re talking about. So people
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building out a person and a chair, and you paid for it, although you may be unaware. You paid for the paper. You paid for the phone. You paid for everything they need to deny you what you’re owed. There ain’t no you in UnitedHealth. There ain’t no me in the company. There ain’t no us in the private trust. There’s hardly humans in humanity.
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Now the procedure that you’re needing ain’t the cost effective route, and only two percent of people end up winning a dispute. So if you get sick, pray to God for health, because your doctor’s gotta pray to UnitedHealth. Way back in ‘seventy and ‘seventy, mister Richard T. Berg started buying HMOs, putting federal grants to work, making 50,000,000,000 buckaroos. Last year, the Warren Buffett of Health, but Jeff Bezos of Theater.
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Now CEOs come and go, and one just went. The ingredients you got, bake the cake you get. But if you get sick, cross your fingers for luck, because old Richard T. Burr can’t give it a fuck. Commoditized health monopolized ai.
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Here’s the doctors we own and the research we bought. They own the pharmacies and a lot of the meds. They should start buying graves to sell us when we’re all dead. There ain’t no you in UnitedHealth. Ain’t no me In the company, there ain’t no us in the private just. There’s hardly humans in humanity. There’s hardly humans in humanity.
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Fuck yeah, dude. That’s a great song. That’s a great song. And it’s interesting to me how few people are doing what you’re doing. I don’t know of anyone else. I’m sure there probably is a few people out there that I miss, but I don’t know of anybody else who takes things that are in the ai, these big stories that come up
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Yeah.
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And turns them into a catchy tune and does it in a way where you’re you laid out, you know, really the problem and the whole thing, like you said, in Punchlines.
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Yeah. Ai you know, there there’s a lot there’s a lot of folks doing it right now and and more every day. But there was I mean, there’s a precedent for that ai of work, especially as far as, like, Woody Woody Guthrie was really the I was reading I was reading a Woody Guthrie ai.
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And, my my old man was in the hospital. He had just had a heart attack, and we we didn’t know, like, what way it was gonna go or whatever. Anyway, I don’t know. Just seeing him all hooked up to that stuff and thinking, if he were if if he died, I I’ve hardly I’ve hardly had any time to even know him.
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He’s hardly had any time to know anything. We don’t get very long down here. And I’m reading this this Woody Guthrie biography, and I was just like, oh, I’m gonna I’m gonna I’m gonna do I’m gonna do this. I’m you know, I’m gonna sing the sing the news. Because that that’s really what what Woody was kinda was kinda doing in his day, because there was there’s folk music around him, and he teamed up with Pete Seeger.
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And he’s on radio programs, and he could have played he had the he had the choice. He could have played standards. He could have played country western music and stuff like that. But he liked making folks laugh, and he liked telling it how it was. I like both those things.
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I saw Woody Guthrie live when I was a little kid in San Francisco.
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Arya Arlo or Woody?
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I think Woody. Which one was alive back then? Was it Arlo?
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Yeah. Woody died.
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Okay. So it must have been Arlo. Sai it was ’19 let me guess the year. I was 11? Yeah. So maybe yeah. 10 or 11? Yeah. No. It was San Francisco, so it had to be I I lived there until I was 11. So it’s probably around nine or meh, now that I think about it. But, yeah, ai performed live. God, I wish I could remember more of it.
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Yeah. Our I mean, our Arlo played Arlo played this kinda he went a little more surreal with it, which is super groovy. But he carry you know, he carried on the torch for his old man.
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So what he died in what year? ’67. ’67.
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Yeah. ’67. He got the he got a Huntington’s disease and was laid up in a home for quite a while. He lost the ability to speak and everything.
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What is Huntington’s disease?
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Some a rare genetic disorder. I don’t really know what it does other than yeah. Look. He was he was pretty young.
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Breakdown of nerve cells in the brain. Yeah. His mother also suffered from the same illness. Yeah. So What causes that? I You you know, why do I have a feeling? Bad luck. Maybe not. Meh why do I have a feeling there’s some environmental toxin involved?
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Yeah. Yeah. And You know
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what I’m saying?
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He
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was sitting next to it. He was in East Palestine. Pennsylvania? No way. No. No. I’m I’m kidding.
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You drove in.
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But, I mean Well,
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obviously, it’s sai different time, but there’s so many parts of the country that have been polluted by industrial waste.
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Right.
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There’s so much horrible shit out there. I mean,
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maybe he was riding on trains and boxcars and stuff. There’s no telling what they were hauling around and that sort of thing. But he, you know, he played the political tunes. He he he I I don’t and maybe he’s a continuation of of a long standing human tradition of, like, bards going from town to town and singing the news.
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I don’t know. Maybe there was some medieval dude going around singing about the king.
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I don’t
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know. And, Ai
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don’t meh. Maybe maybe maybe there was I’m sure.
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Just because I don’t I, like, I don’t know if it’s a uniquely American tradition. But when I do it, I like to I get romantic about it and kinda think of it as uniquely American tradition because you got the freedom to do it. Right. And no one’s gunning me down in the in the field there or anything for anything I say, you know.
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So I get to, you know
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Yeah. That’s why I doubt with any if anybody was ever doing anything the way you do it when they were doing it for about the king. It’s like because Why that dude? The the ai the knights go hunting down or something. Yeah. Maybe a few guys tried, but I bet they killed them.
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Or maybe maybe you hired, you you co opted the bard. You turned him into your fool, your jester or whatever. Mhmm. And then he sang songs for you about how fat the neighbor King was.
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Ai think that’s a different guy. I think you’re dealing with a different guy. The guy who is the jester, that’s the fucking vampire familiar, you know? You know? Like in Blade, the guys wanna get close to the ai. Yeah. Because they want eventually, one day sana be a vampire. Ai he’s he’s He promised it.
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Who is in Lord of the Rings? Who is, like, Theoden’s, dude? Worm worm tongue or something? Anyway
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I don’t remember. I don’t remember.
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People very close.
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But it’s there’s that’s always the Dracula story. There’s always a familiar there’s always a a human that does the bidding of the vampire. Mhmm. Oh, that guy. Yeah. Perfect. Exactly. Yeah. Same ai guy. Fucking creep with ai questionable hard drive.
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Did he was he in One Flow Over the Cuckoo’s Nest?
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Was he? God, that
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seems weird. Billy Babbit. He would be
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so old. Yeah. And One Flow Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.
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Was it 67 or something? Yeah. It was a long time ago. I meh, but was it Yeah. That sai been
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in everything. That’s him now?
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Oh, not now. That’s him now.
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Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. Ain’t that crazy? Time is such a motherfucker. Okay. He was in One Floor is a Cuckoo’s Nest.
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Far out.
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Oh, wow. 75. Yeah. 75. That’s a great fucking movie too.
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Yeah.
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That’s a eye opening movie about health care. Speak bitch.
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Well, I did yeah. In an air in an arya of sanatoriums, you know Mhmm. And stuff for
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you. Right. And then people glorify that. It’s like, we need more meh health institutes. That’s why there’s so many homeless people on the street. And ai, have you ever been? We definitely need more mental health. Yeah. We win 100% those people need care. But do they need the kind of care that they were getting before they were released on the street when they were giving people electroshock therapy and fucking cooking their brains?
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Those vatsal least whatever’s going on in one floor of the cookie’s nest is essentially a prison. Yeah. Well, they’re all With electroshock therapy.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and lobotomies until, like, ’67.
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Yeah. They
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were just cooking people’s brains with a wand, getting in there and scrambling up your brain. It’s it’s just Did you they did lobotomies for decades. Yeah. Decades until enough people had their loved ones turned into zombies that they were ai, hey, maybe we should probably fucking stop that.
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Did didn’t they lobotomize Kennedy. Kennedy?
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Yep. Apparently, she was just wild. Yeah. That’s all it was. So first of all
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So I ai have been lobotomized.
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I don’t know if you yeah. Probably. Yeah. I mean, first of all, the men were wild. Shah was wild sexually. Is that part of the accusation that she was very promiscuous? They had a problem with her, and they wanted her to calm down. And so they fucking scrambled her brains. And, apparently, she became non functional. Like, they really Yeah. Kinda they, you know, they dialed it up to 10.
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When Kennedy was 23, doctors told her father the lobotomy would help calm her mood swings and stop her occasional violent outburst.
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23.
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So Joe senior ai 23. Decided Meh should have a lobotomy. However, he did not inform his wife, oh my god, until after the procedure was completed. The plea procedure took place November 1941, Sana of the Father in the book, ai ’96 biography. Joe’s, James w Watts who carried out the procedure with Walter Freeman, both of George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences described to Kessler’s ai.
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After Rosemary was mildly sedated, we went through the top of her head, doctor Watts recalled. I think she was awake. She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision in the brain through the skull. It was near the front. It was on both sides.
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We just made a small incision no more than an inch. The instruments doctor Watts used looked like a butter knife. He swung it up and down to cut brain tissue. Yeah. We put an instrument inside, he said, as doctor Watts cut. Doctor Freeman asked Rosemary some questions.
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For example, he asked her to recite the Lord’s Prayer or sing God Bless America or to count backward. We made him an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded. When Meh became began to become incoherent, they stopped.
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What a tragedy. Holy cow. Yeah.
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Scroll back up. Go back up. Scroll up so so I can hear it.
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How many folks were getting these?
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The nuns of the covenant thought that Rosemary might become involved with sexual partners and that she could contact a sexually transmitted disease or become pregnant. Her occasionally erratic behavior frustrated her parents. So she got expelled from summer camp, and she was staying, it says, and staying only for a few months at a Philadelphia boarding school.
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Kennedy was sent to a convent school in Washington, DC. Kennedy began sneaking out of the convent school at night. The nuns in the convent thought that she might be involved with sexual partners and that she might get an STD or become pregnant. And so then, they decided to give her a fucking lobotomy. Imagine that.
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You you send a young healthy girl to a convent with a bunch of fucking creepy nuns, and she just, like, breaks out in the middle of the ai, like, go to hang out with her friends or go meet up with a guy or fucking something.
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Yeah.
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And so they go, well, the solution to this is cut her brain
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Yeah.
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And have her talk until she can’t talk anymore, and then we know when to stop cutting.
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That’s insane. Meanwhile, Kennedy’s guys That wasn’t even a running his escapades.
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Oh, yeah. They all were. The father was. Like, there’s Yeah. I don’t know whether it’s true or not true because we used to say it, and then there’s been things disputing it. But, of course, who knows how much money is involved in this in the first place. But, supposedly, Kennedy senior was involved in illegal liquor during the time where there was prohibition in this country.
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I thought he was a mobster.
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He definitely would knew some people, which was what helped his son win Illinois. Right. Yeah. It’s just ai Sai don’t know what’s true and what’s not true in terms of him being, a moonshine runner. Right. But it tracks, you know, and the whole family.
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He’s ai an incredibly lucrative business to get into during Prohibition. I don’t know who who wouldn’t be running liquor.
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Especially when you can control the police, you know, especially when you had money and you were involved and you had your foot dipped in all sorts of organized crime and, you know, then you had souped up NASCAR cars that were they were using to drive those sort of NASCAR
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cars from the the roots of
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yeah. So if it Running from the cops.
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If it weren’t for Joe, we wouldn’t have had wouldn’t have Dale.
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Yeah. Right? Wouldn’t have the the loop. Yeah. It’s, it’s just a a crazy practice that they did for a long, long time just to get rid of people that were a problem.
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So what’s the modern lobotomy? What are we doing right now that we’re gonna read on Wiki or, you know, whatever?
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Oh, there’s probably
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quite a few of them. 15. There’s probably quite a few. Holy cow.
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I’m sure gender transitions for children. I’m I’m sure that’s gonna be on that list.
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Or taking, I don’t know, like ai, then like, prescribing benzos and stuff.
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Oh, that’s gonna be on that list for sure.
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You know? Benzos is sai great question. Ai a chemical lobotomy. Or Well,
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benzo doesn’t give you a chemical lobotomy, but it does make you 100% hooked on it.
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Yeah. Well, it’s just the different the stress you would undergo getting out of the addiction, you might never you might never come come back fully or get your life all the way back after an addiction like that.
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Well, I know several people that have had that problem, and it is a real struggle.
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Right.
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Like, Jordan Peterson has publicly talked about it. It took him over a year to recover Right. Physically just from being addicted.
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And that’s actually going to rehabs Yep. And stuff like that.
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There’s a lot of folks
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most folks, they ain’t they ain’t going
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They don’t have the money.
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Nowhere. Right.
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You know,
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they get off it and then drink themselves to death or
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Or do cocaine or do something else.
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Yeah. Ai some find something else.
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Or, you know, or the psychiatrist puts you on some new kind of pills to satisfy whatever the fuck was wrong with you
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in the first place. You can get off one and hop over to the other.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah. Go back and forth
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and It’s a real problem. And when someone gets on that ride, it’s hard to get off. It’s hard to get off to take this pill to fix it ride. Yeah. That ride is a very popular ride.
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Yeah. I I mean, folks like having a having a doctor tell them it’s ai. You know? I guess it’s like a it’s like if they get it they’re an authority figure told them it’s all good to take this pill Mhmm. You know, or whatever.
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Not only shah, with especially with benzos, especially in the early days, nobody even told them that it was almost impossible to get off of.
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Ai mean, could you know, a patient ai figure that out pretty quick?
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Well, they don’t because they keep taking it. Right? You keep taking it because you’re addicted to it.
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If you forget forget a dose, start feeling those withdrawals come in, you know, or
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Well, apparently, with, find this out if this is true. Apparently, one of the things about benzodiazepine is that it alleviates ai, but if you stop taking it, your anxiety maybe even elevates past where it was Oh, yeah. Before you first took it. Oh, yeah. So there’s ai a slingshot
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effect. Saying when you get off anything, all sorts of stuff rattles loose in your head, man.
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Mhmm. For sure.
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For sure. And everything gets everything gets worse for a period of tyler.
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But what I was gonna get out is it’s one of the few where you could ai you get off of it.
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Right. It’s like that and alcohol. Those are like the two things. Right?
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So here it is. During early withdrawal, an individual may experience a return of anxiety and insomnia symptoms as the brain rebounds without the drugs. But it doesn’t say a rebound? How long does it last? Many people stop taking these meh, experience increased anxiety or restlessness referred to as rebound ai, rebound effects from benzo withdrawal, such as anxiety or insomnia typically last two to three days.
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I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think that’s true.
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Still, I mean, the insomnia itself is is enough to cause all sorts of different
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yeah. How long does benzo Benzo belly. What is that? Benzo belly, can it depend is it like a ai? Such as the type of dose of benzo what does it mean? Some people experience what does it say? They should What does it say it is? Benzo belly. What to know?
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Put that on Alright. Cramps.
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Time inside of oh, cramps.
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Yeah. Gastrointestinal symptoms.
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Oh, well, you’re
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Add that to
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Fucking poisoning your insides.
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To the Pepto list. Your body’s like, what
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are you doing? Oh, look at you could get nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, bloating, ingest you know how they do that at the end of the commercial? Yeah. Indigestion, loss of appetite, constipation, weight loss, bloody diarrhea. You might wanna die. That’s the craziest ones when the simp side effects of antidepressants are suicide.
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Yeah.
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There ain’t no you and ai.
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They make they make folks are making money
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as long as
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they ai keep the money rolling in.
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Yeah. As long as they keep mushrooms illegal. There’s a lot of things that could be fixed in a in a very natural way that people have been doing for thousands of years
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Yeah.
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That you can’t do. At least in Texas, they opened up Ibogaine again.
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Right.
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So that’s new. Where, you know, they’re gonna do these they’ve they’ve done them sai far, these trials with, soldiers and just it’s super effective, meh, especially for getting off drugs. Yeah. Like, really, really, really effective. Like, eighty percent for one dose in the nineties for two dose. People just quit pills, quit everything, quit drinking, whatever That’s amazing.
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Whatever’s fucking with you. Yeah? Yeah. There’s natural tools out there to figure out, ai, people get in patterns. Right?
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They get in these terrible behavior patterns and they don’t know why. They don’t know how to get out of them. They keep falling into them because they’re like tightly grooved into the way you think. Yeah. Unless you can leave for a moment the the connection that you have to this existence where you’re completely continually trapped by your patterns, unless you can leave and look at those patterns, you just you’re just fighting against so much gravity and so much meh.
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Right. And and then whatever your the life that you’ve chosen, the path you know, you’re around the same people, you’re there’s so many things that make it very difficult to really change your ai. Outside of escaping briefly and getting a look at it ram, you know, some
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Sai it’s ai Ibogaine, like ai, smooth out all the ruts? Or
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Ibogaine so I’ve never done it, so I can’t really speak to this. But from the people that have done it, what they explain that does, first of all, it actually stops physical addiction somehow. They don’t totally understand how it’s doing this, but it stops physical physical addiction and sort of rewires the way your bryden, and for lack of a better term, looks at addiction.
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It also is it’s not a drug that you could abuse recreationally. Apparently, it’s not a fun ai, and it’s a twenty four hour experience. And this twenty four hour experience
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Is it psychedelic?
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Yes. And this twenty four hour experience is essentially a review of your life and showing you, like, meh this happened, these guys beat you up after school, and then that sent you down this road, and then this is why you think about this sana this. And it, like, lays out why you’re in all these different fucked up patterns in your life.
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Do you have a ai, a spirit guide?
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I don’t know. Do you I don’t know. I mean, I think it’s
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I’ve gained counsel.
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You mean, while you’re doing it? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They they have centers. What is the place called in Mexico that, former Republican governor Rick Perry Right. Is an advocate of this.
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Right.
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And he went to that is it Beyond, b e o n d? They have to they’ve for the longest time, they’ve been doing these things down in Mexico because it’s legal there.
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Right. Does Ayahuasca do something similar?
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Yes. That’s a lot of people go down to Costa Rica and do that, or there’s certain churches that have a religious exemption in Meh. Right. Which is wild.
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What? What? Go to church and
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really meet Jesus.
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Yeah. Hey.
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Like for real for real. Like, do you live in Ai Wyoming? Yeah. Like Meh Mexico, you know, places like that. Yeah. It’s like, you know, somewhere where, like, well, how many followers you got? You got 1,400? Alright. Well, don’t get too big.
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I’ve been
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to a church in a couple basements, like
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Really? Well, you know, the weird thing is if anybody wants to start a new church now, now, like, good luck. They’ll crawl up your fucking ass with a microscope. Like, if you wanna start a new church now, it better be a Christian church. Like, you better be following the same religions that the people have been following for thousands and thousands of years.
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Because if you try to cook up a new religion today, they will Waco you, son. They will fucking Well, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. I I mean
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You get a good following in certain
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They get weirder and weir I don’t like, in America, they they get weirder and weirder ai the more west we went, the more we manifest destiny out. Point. Because, like, you have, like, Puritan pilgrims land and, you know, and and New England. And the weirdest of them move a little bit more west, or they just go to the Quakers just go to, like, Nantucket. You know?
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They’ll be on an island and be isolated. But, you know, eventually, in in about a hundred years, you’ve got Mormons. Yep. You know? And then give it another hundred something year, then you get Scientology out in California. Yep. Right?
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Have you seen American Ai? No. The Netflix series? No. Really good. Really good. And, it’s about, you know, the settling of the West, but a big part of it is the Mormons. Right. And how fucking gangster the more we think of Mormons as being ai these really sweet people, like,
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uh-uh. No.
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Not back then.
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No. No. No. No. Nothing nothing was in the West, man. Yeah. It was it was death and car like, I don’t know. I I imagine it like Blood Meridian, like like McCarthy’s Mhmm. McCarthy’s book or basically, you know, like, follows a story of, like, this kid who goes on a scalping mission, you know, where their their job is to go down into Guadalajara and then come up in through The States, and they just they scalp pretty much everyone they meet indiscriminately and then take those scalps back for dough.
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It’s, you know, for a bounty.
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Which is crazy. Ai much is the scalps worth?
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I don’t I don’t know.
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Imagine that. You just find some dude who’s, like, fucking taking care of a lawn or something like that.
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I take that over a lobotomy.
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Ai scalp is Some people ai.
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Grow back.
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Yes. Yeah. Some people that lived. Yeah. She’s really crazy.
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I’ve seen that picture. It’s ai
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someone had been Ai had a top hat on over this giant Wound. Wound over the top of his
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head, which
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I wonder how long you lived because he basically ai, like, an open skull Oh. Facing the Earth.
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I well, I guess you play dead while it’s going down.
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Chihuahua’s bounty program fortune offered fortune seekers a 150 to 200 Mexican pesos for each Apache depending on age and sex. Men worth 50 pesos more than women and children and children. Yep. Yeah. Today, that equates to about $8,200 per scalp. Yeah.
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Sai It’s it’s far more than most prospectors would ever make in the California gold fields. $8,000 per scalp. That’s crazy. Yeah. How many people, just innocent people, that just happen to have dark hair got scalped?
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And oh, they would and, like, in in McCarthy’s book at least, which it it follows the Glanton gang. I’m pretty sure at times they kill some of their own gang.
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I’m sure. Just because they were they were dark haired. The most prolific of these operatives was an Irish American named James Kerker, who led a massacre of more than a 150 Apaches in 1846 and ultimately killed at least 320 Indians during his bounty hunting campaigns. Scalp bryden, $8,200 for scalps. Sai you imagine, like, if you if you have a lawless country, which is essentially what the Ai West sai.
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What that was. Yeah.
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And then you you offer up $8,000 every time you kill a person.
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Yeah.
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Oh, you can get rid of speak people quick.
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And you’re gonna have the wildest of the wild are gonna go out there and tame that land, man.
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The craziest to the craziest. Yeah. And that’s essentially
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Calls them calls them out. The
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And That wasn’t that long ago. No. That’s what’s so crazy. You know, we’re talking about a hundred and fifty years. Like, what is it? But how long ago was it? Not that long ago. In California, scalp warfare sai eliminated nearly 90% of some tribal populations. Holy fuck.
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Were they doing that into the eighteen nineties?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy. Yeah. That’s a 135 ago.
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How how crazy is that? It’s pretty wild. That’s hard to believe. You,
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Direct government support for bounty payouts? Woah. Direct government support for bounty payouts with blunt calls for the extermination of tribes and mass murder of men, women, and children ai an important new perspective on the question of genocide across the long arc of Euro American interaction with native communities.
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The Apache scalp that FBI agent sees in 2022 is one of thousands, perhaps tens of thousands that were taken, redeemed, displayed in rare cases like this one, preserved as a part of a long and gruesome history of scalp warfare. So so it was in an auction house? That’s how they found it? Woah. FBI investigating Apache scalps seized from Fairfield Auction House.
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The item was seized from the Puleen, Arya Antiques and Auction House as part of an investigation into the illegal trafficking of human remains. Woah.
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And, like, when?
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Imagine someone kept that.
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When does the karma come in on on this bloodshed that found that, you know, that founded
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Well, I’m certain Sai did for the individuals involved.
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I just I wonder if it’s generational, if that these things if the if the universe will continue to sort itself out Well, I think over this over this time.
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I think this is a very unique time for understanding people. You know, we I think we we have to you know, when people look look at all the the conflict and all the the ram with human beings right now, you you have to ai, like, yes. Yes. We could certainly live better lives, and we certainly have we can certainly have a better civilization than we have right now. We can do better.
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But we also have to realize what we’re coming from. Like, to make it an adjustment from 1890 to 2025, I mean, this is a big swing of this fucking battleship.
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Unrecognizable. People
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were horrible all throughout human history. Ai think that’s what we really have to come to grips with. It’s not just I mean, we can go back to the Mongol invasions in the the ’19 what what was what is your the year December? How long ago was that? What year was that with the Mongols? I think it was in the December. Yeah.
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You know, I mean, the inquisition, we can we can go to World War one, World War two. People were fucking horrible forever. And it’s just more people are talking about it now than ever before. You know, you had universities in Meh, which were the the anti ram movement started the nineteen sixties, and the hippies, and they were starting to get acid and realize, like, there’s more to life.
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Like, this is bullshit. The way our parents are living is bullshit. They’re miserable and they’re gonna die and
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Yeah.
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It’s it takes a long time to turn this big ass battleship around. But I think we have to give ourselves some understanding about the past and and realize, like, part of the reason why we’re so fucked up today is, like, look what we come from.
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Right.
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Yeah. Look where we come from. I know we can do better. We definitely can do better. We should do better. We could we should have a way better life, way better sai. But look where we come from. Right. We come from madness.
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Yeah. Absolute chaos. Chaos and bloodshed, my friend.
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It’s just the the ability that a person has to sign off a person in the government say, yeah. Okay. Give them some money so they go kill some Indians indiscriminately. Give them, $8,000 per scalp and a little less for the women and children. Mhmm. You know, hundred and thirty years ago, hundred and forty years ago, hundred and fifty years ago. That’s that’s nothing, man. Right. That’s nothing. You know, that’s your great grandpa.
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He was alive back then. Hard to believe.
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It’s far out. And
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It really
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is, man. I’ve I’d I wonder if things are, you know, probably seem a lot cleaner as far as chaos and bloodshed now in the Continental US and the union and stuff. But who is sending folks to go do that abroad
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to to
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protect the homeland, you know, under the under the auspices of protecting the homeland.
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Who’s doing the exact same thing
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Who yeah.
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Sai they were doing there in just a different way.
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Because I really I really think we we we stay this as much as has changed, and and we can measure that. We could totally ram. Ai I think also we stay the same, you know,
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on a Well, until we’re forced to change. Yeah. And that Until something or until we recognize the need to change collectively. Yeah. But there has to be a discussion of it. It’s not something that just organically happens. You know?
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I I think of, like, do you ever see a this is this is Hollywood, but, Apocalypse Now?
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Sure.
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With is it Francis Ford Coppola?
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Mhmm.
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He’s got, like, Martin Sheen, Marlon Brando, and Dennis Hopper, and Robert Duvall, and all those cool cats and dope movie. But it’s written on this premise of a of a book that was written in, like, 1899 by Joseph Conrad, like Heart of Darkness.
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Oh, wow. It’s that old.
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And Heart of Darkness was talking about a conquest of, I believe, the Dutch, I’m not sure, into the Congo. And some atrocities and stuff that were happening there, treating people as subhuman, and I don’t know if there was I don’t know if there was scalping or anything, but I think that there was slavery and that sort of thing.
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But Coppola was able to adapt that and then put the Vietnam War as the new premise going into I think they I think Sheen’s mission in in the in the movie, at least, was to go go upriver into Cambodia or Laos, I’m not sure which, and take out a rogue US general who had basically enslaved a population of of indigenous there.
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All I have to say, I ai I Ai wonder if, like, in in Vietnam, if if the if the folks fighting out there felt, like, in that moment in that moment where you’re where you’re killing somebody, if you realize at that point that nothing has ever changed and that this is this is this there’s something primeval in in man of with this violence, that this violence is innate.
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Or, you know, is this violence innate? Is it is this how folks are and there’s no helping it and there’s nothing that’s ever gonna change it? Because you can get ai cynical that way. Or and I and I kinda tend on this more ai, and at ai, it seems naive or stupid to have an ideal that folks can could live in harmony and peace without taking one another’s lives.
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You know? The problem is they’ve never done it before. I that’s that’s mind boggling.
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Mind boggling.
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Because it is in all I think it’s in a in in a lot of us deep down to I
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don’t Well, it has to be. The Because it’s the only way we survived. That’s the only way we got to where we are today.
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Right.
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Because we existed before language. We existed before empathy, before we understood each other, before we communicate. So any being that you didn’t know from somewhere else wanted what you had, and they would try to take it by force. So the bigger, stronger one ai, and that’s why the best genetics kept going and going and going.
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I mean, it was it’s survival of the fittest that exists in nature and exists with humans. And that’s the basis of our DNA, unfortunately. Like, that’s how we started. Right? And so that the way it manifests itself today is fucking drone warfare
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Right.
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And bombs and, you know, dropping bunker busters out of B Twos. You know, that’s what it is. Or B Twelves. Is that what it is? The b 12? What’s the big one?
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B two.
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B 2? Feels like it should be a bigger number because it looks like a spaceship.
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You see
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how they flew it over Putin? Like, look at my dick. My flying dick. You see, Trump did that when Putin was in Alaska. It flew a a bomber over his head. Like, what are we doing? Why are we fly why are we flying the radar resistant bomber over Putin’s head?
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This is it sounds like a show of force.
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Look at my dude.
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Yeah. This is what these games but, ai, is it yeah. I I just I I wonder, is it within humans to to exist in, like, in in peace without without
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Well, we certainly can. Be done. In small groups. Right? Like, if you, me, and Jamie I’ve said this before, but, you know, about other guests. If we were on an island altogether, we wouldn’t lock each other up. We wouldn’t we just
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Oh, yeah. We just figured it out.
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Ai, yeah. Okay. I’m gonna go fishing today. Yeah. We need firewood. You wanna get the firewood?
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I’m gonna go for a long jog.
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Okay. Get that jog in. Get your cardio in. You know, but you know what I’m saying? Like, we wouldn’t there was there’s only a limited amount of us. We wouldn’t have a need to go to war. And most war today is about resources. Most war today is about controlling parts of the world where there’s an infinite amount of money in the ground, whether it’s oil or now it’s rare earth minerals and stuff they need for batteries and
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Yeah.
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That’s what a lot of it is. I mean, that’s what a lot of conflict is in this world. And that’s gross. It’s scary. It’s scary. But if you ask the average person, like, what are the odds that there will be no more war in your lifetime? And they’ll say 0%. Yeah. Everyone will say 0%. It’s so far out.
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It’s just I don’t like, I think,
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you know, the folks that that go to war, like, if you if you signed up and went to and went to Iraq and, you know, and, like, o o ‘3, o ‘6 or sai. You know? And you’re securing or no. Maybe not Iraq, but you’re going to Afghanistan, and you’re securing opium fields and stuff, and you’re out there. You’re risking your life.
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You got the gun on. You are prepared to take somebody’s life. But for but for what? And and, ai, we’ll
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We need opium.
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What what are you asking? We’ll we’ll ai. We’ll fight. It seems like for the sake of just for the sake of the hunt
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or or something like that. Ask the soldiers when they’re signing up, hey. Do you wanna go to Afghanistan and guard Poppy Fields? They’ve been ai, what? No. I wanna fight terrorism Right. Motherfucker. I wanna stop the people that did nine eleven from doing it again. That’s why a lot of people signed up.
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But then the reality kicks in once you’re standing around Poppy Fields with a machine gun, and you’re like, oh. Yeah. Oh, this is a scam. You mean You know, I don’t know how much Internet access access they had ai they were over there. But if they did and they ever googled, what percentage of all heroin comes from Afghanistan?
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Yeah.
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The answer they would have got is 94%. Yeah. They would have been ai, wait.
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So What is this? So then it takes it takes a larger it it it takes essentially a ai in order to get men to fight for the interests of the people who are performing the psyop.
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Yes. You have to create a psyop that puts a narrative out there that makes it noble for us to be doing what we’re doing.
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Noble. Noble. Since we’re such suckers. Yeah. It’s a noble cause. What’s more noble than letting somebody live?
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Yeah. We’re less suckers now than ever before. But, meh, a lot of us are suckers for these narratives.
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Well, I’m I’m I’m I’m a sucker for it. Oh, I am too. Everyone is.
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Did you ever read, that, War is a Racket? Smedley Butler.
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Smedley Butler.
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Did you ever read it? No. It’s really good. It’s not long. Yeah. It’s really good, and it is essentially outlining what we’re talking about. But it was in 1933. Right. And Smedley Tyler, who when he went to all these places and did all this work, he thought that he was doing good.
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He thought he was protecting people even though. But then at the end of his career, when it all, like, the fog of war had ai of faded, and he you’ve rec ai the patterns, like, oh, each ai. Pull it up, Jamie, just so we can get a look at it.
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But Smedley the one where there was a coup, and they had asked him to
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They asked him to take they asked him to overthrow the fucking government.
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There was a documentary I used to watch, by Francis O’Connolly, I think is his name. But it’s called Everything’s a Rich Man’s Trick, and he would always talk about Smedley d Butler.
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Yeah. He was a bad man, in a in a good way. But this this thing that he wrote sai you’re gonna get a just a if you get get just sort of go to the Wikipedia ai, War is Iraq. So this
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I mean, this is before even World War two.
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There it is ai there. It contains the summary. Make that a little larger, please. There it is. Who
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makes the profits?
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It says War is Iraq. It always has been. It’s possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It’s the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to be to the majority of people.
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Only a small inside group knows what it’s all about. It’s conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many. Out of war, a few people make huge fortunes. Butler confessed that during his decades of service in Ai States Marine Corps, I helped Mexico, especially, Ram Coast, save for American oil interests in 1914.
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I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in nineteen o nine to 1912, where I’ve learned where have I heard of that name before?
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I don’t know. I brought light to the Sai brought light to the Dominican Meh for American sugar interest in 1916. In China, I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I have given Al Saloni, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. Kinda crazy.
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Yeah.
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Because they’ve been doing that forever. And if it wasn’t for this one guy writing about it, this one very decorated man who pull up the thing about the coup where they tried to enlist him, which is part of the reason why I’m sure he wrote this. Right. Like, he was like, what the fuck is this? Right. Like, you guys want you guys sana take over the United States government force?
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Now imagine if they were successful. Imagine if a military coup really did work in, like, 1930 or whatever it was. How fucked we would be now?
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I don’t know. I’d be in
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Like, it’s interesting how history pivots oftentimes ai, like, one or two crucial figures.
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Right.
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And this guy saying no to this, who knows what would have happened if he said meh?
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Is that the premise of Man in the High Vatsal, Philip k Dick?
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Is it?
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I don’t know. I should read more, Joe.
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I ai The
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business plot? Is that what we’re talking about? Not the coup?
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The coup. We’re talking about the coup.
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I know nothing in his Wikipedia sai coup, but business plot comes up at the end.
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What is the business plot?
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That’s what I think he was talking about. This is all like, the military industrial complex stuff before it started.
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Right. But wasn’t there a thing where they ai to enlist him to do something?
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I think I mean, this sai after he was retired. He’s gone on anti war lectures.
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And and Ai been
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to his whole career here, and coup wasn’t, like, a a highlighted paragraph.
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Is that just in Wikipedia though? Can you just see if, there’s anything about it ai? Because it might not be something that Wikipedia would put in.
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He had a whole bunch of nicknames.
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Did he?
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Did he see that whole list of
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You kill a lot of folks. You get a lot of nicknames.
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Gee whiz.
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It’s it’s so weird to to see when you think about going what’s that
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ai business plot pops up.
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People used to have fun nicknames. Business plot.
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So it’s a business plot. So it’s not ai like a military ai? Like, what was the actual
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plot?
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The Wall Street putch.
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Political conspiracy in 1933, The United States to overthrow oh, this it is. Overthrow the government of the president Franklin d Roosevelt and install Smedley Butler as dictator. Butler, retired marine corps, major general, testified under oath that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with him as its leader and use it as a coup d’etat to overthrow Roosevelt.
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In 1934, Butler testified under oath before the United States House of Representatives Speak Committee on Un Meh Activities. On these revelations. Although no one was prosecuted, the congressional no one was prosecuted. You would think that that might put you in jail. You’re trying to overthrow the fucking government.
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These folks get away with it.
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It’s but it’s kind of crazy. No one was prosecuted, although no one was prosecuted. The congressional committee final report said there’s no question these attempts were discussed, were planned, and might have been placed in execution when and if the financial backers deemed it expedient.
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You know, it’s funny that no one was prosecuted, but if you did insider trading, you go straight to the pokey. Martha Stewart.
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Right.
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No one was prosecuted for that. They put Martha Stewart in jail for lying to the cops.
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But not but there’s actual you know, there’s congress congress folks that do it all the time. They made an example out of that out of Martha Stewart, I suppose.
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Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, there’s Nancy Pelosi’s now estimated to be worth $400,000,000. You know? And that she’s just
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What a great job.
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It’s a great job.
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What a
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great job to have. Ai should’ve gone into
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What makes you wonder when you have $400,000,000 and you’re 82 years old, shouldn’t you be, like, going on cruises and just, like, enjoying your time off? And why are you still working? That What are you doing?
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Lust for power.
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No. I don’t really care about
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these people are clinging with the with their dying breath to to every ounce of power.
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No. No. No. I care. I care about the American people.
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Who who really genuinely believes that anybody cares about us?
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Oh, there’s some lobotomized, no no pun intended, suckers out there. No. There’s some suckers out there. And then there’s a lot of bots. There’s a lot of people that aren’t real people, that are Like ai it. Commenting on both sides of it.
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Like on the Internet. Yeah.
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On both sides of it. Stay out of the comments, kids. Stay out of commentary because it’s not real. You’re if you’re you’re interacting with narratives that are are propped up, might be propped up by AI, might be propped up by bad state actors. There’s a lot going on, folks. It’s it’s not all people talking about things, and that should be illegal.
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Are there bot wars now?
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A 100%. Yeah. Yeah. A 100%. Ai bots fighting against bot. Yeah. Yeah.
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Versus your bots.
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100%. It’s probably a giant chunk of the Internet.
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Are they actual bots, or are they, like, people in a call center?
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Both things.
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Like
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Both things. Both things are real. There’s AI for sure that people arya running programs that are AI. That are saying certain things and but there’s also people that get hired to do it. Yeah. You know, there’s some these pro American sites, you know, and then people have done ai an IP trace and they ai out these people are in fucking Karachi.
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They’re in fucking Pakistan. Yeah. It’s, you know, they’re they’re in India. They’re in China. It’s like, who knows who’s doing it and why they’re doing it.
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But there’s a bunch of foreign countries that would have, a vested interest in keeping America very unstable. You know, it’s really good to to have us at our each other’s throats politically. That’s good for them. It’s it’s good to crush our, faith in democracy sana make people opinions into any sort of, like, real important discussion about civilization. And you ai, like, oh meh god.
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80% of the people talking aren’t just people. Yeah. They’re either being hired to do this, or it’s AI, or they’re bots.
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It seems to be ai manufactured chaos Mhmm. In order to take the air out of the room, to suffocate information.
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Also, to make laws sai they can clamp down on dissent. So Yeah. The more the more you can have chaos online, the more it becomes unmanageable, the more you have to manage it.
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Right. Right.
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Right? And the more people ask you to come in and save them. Please save us. Save us from this. There should be laws.
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Ai mean, that’s the
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Hate speak. That shouldn’t be legal.
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That’s ai of the idea behind, like, the, like, false flag.
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A 100%.
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Gun guns are ai, I don’t know.
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I think That’s what got us into Vietnam.
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I think of, like, Vegas. Yeah. They’re ai the Mandalay Bay thing. Like, there’s a The
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Vegas one is behind That’s a
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weird one.
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That’s a weird one.
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That one’s gonna I that’s gonna bother me forever. That because that one actually happened while I was awake and paying attention, and and and it just nothing nothing lines up with it.
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You weren’t there, were you? Were you in Vegas at the time?
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No. No. No. I was sitting in Nashville, but I just met I was I was paying attention.
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Yeah. That was a crazy one. And there’s multiple reports of more than one person shooting. And then there was, like, how did he get 400 pounds of equipment into his room without anybody noticing it? Yeah. That seems crazy. Like, you got a rifle case is a very distinctive ai of case. Like, I’m assuming he’s carrying, like, you know, some kind of Pelican box.
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Sai, like, something, some snap down box. Like, that’s a pretty big box, man. If you got a bunch of those and you’re bringing them in along with boxes of ammunition Yeah. Like, how much does that weigh? How strong are you?
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How you know, like, if you had to carry 400 pounds of shit into a hotel room That dude ai would take a long time.
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That dude wasn’t doing all of it.
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That’s what I’m saying.
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And, I mean, didn’t, like, the security guard witness go on Saloni to explain it?
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Yeah. Did they?
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Meh. Sai what’s that? What’s his name Jesus? Yeah. Yeah. Campos?
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Jamie’s all over this.
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Oh, you’re all over
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this one?
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I’ve been all over this from the jump. Oh, okay.
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There’s a there’s a few this is the
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one it’s
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one of the ones I know a lot.
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Oh, well, speak to us, young Jamie. Speak to us.
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That there’s you haven’t said anything wrong yet, but, there’s a really good website someone put together called, like, thelasvegasshootingmap.com. Mhmm. They’ve got tracked little, it’s a Google map, but there’s, like, little dots for YouTube videos, cell phone footage, nine one one recordings, photos.
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It’s a complete ai from the, like, time before the concert started to, like, five days after.
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What is the best theory about why that happened? Conspiracy or real? What’s a conspiracy? Give me the the juiciest one first.
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The conspiracy that you read online, like, especially on a place like, x.com, would be that there was a, let me try to word this right. I think they were worried about, the Saudi family or whoever’s in control in Saudi Arabia was worried about MBS taking over. And there was an event happening that he was in Vegas for, and they tried to use this chaos to take him out. Woah.
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He found out about it, and then this leads to this, event happening the next month in November where he got all these all the families to come to, Four Seasons. There was, like, kidnappings and extortions and all sorts of money. Like, he basically was pissed that he and he found out about it.
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Oh, that happened a month later? Yeah. Woah.
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Like, people have heard about that event happening, but tying it to the Las Vegas shooting, not a lot of people have done. I just read about that part recently.
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01:03:45
Holy shit,
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dude. But how there’s not a lot of proof of any of that happening, but that’s the conspiracy.
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Ai thought it was, like, metal detectors in the casinos.
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I mean, that that’s part of part of it. People thought that they were trying to create an event. People would have to get body scanned in every casino.
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Because it because there were people in the state government that had stock in these
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Sure.
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In these security systems.
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Oh, god.
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That’s I mean, it’s diabolical. God.
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I hope that’s not true.
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But there was apparently, like, there’s shells that were found in places that were outside of that hotel room.
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Ai of the hotel room?
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Yeah. Or up away from those windows. Some people think that the second window was broken after the fact.
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That one don’t make no sense. That’s just
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And he died of a self inflicted gunshot wound allegedly. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And so Is the idea that he’s a patsy?
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I guess. That’s I mean, if you’re gonna follow that conspiracy Sai just laid out that 100%, you have to be. But, again, there’s not a ton of evidence for that one. There’s some. Wow.
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A ton.
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Yeah. Wow. Miss mysteries.
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What’s the other, theories? Enigma. Sort of
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what he was getting into where it’s ai there was this, like, tie in and just get body scanners everywhere.
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01:04:56
That one makes sense. The one the funnest one Ai show you a picture of.
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You know how there’s, like, a a playing deck of cards that’s got, like, every conspiracy from, like, the last twenty years in it?
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There is. That going around? No. No. It’s ai
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the Twin Towers are in one picture. And the one with Vegas, I’ll show you. It’s very Sam Tripoli pointed this out to me there, though. I’ll show you.
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01:05:14
You ever get into the Oklahoma City bombing?
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I’m I’m familiar.
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That one.
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I’m familiar.
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That one gets real.
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We got Ruby Ridge, Waco. Ai doing his thing, possibly with the team.
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Yeah. Those are all big. The the what I’m getting at what is this?
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This is the card the playing deck card.
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This is
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the Vegas card. It’s got this, it says that
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there’s Is that a tattoo?
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This is Jason Aldean’s tattoo, who was the guy on stage when the shooting started.
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Alright.
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What? It just so happens to be it’s a Jack and a Ace. Now that’s a coincidence, but that’s a crazy coincidence. It’s, like how that could have been planned. Don’t know.
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No. Yeah.
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But that’s his fucking name, bro. Jason Aldean. That’s that’s ridiculous. That’s a crazy connection to make. His literal name is Jason Aldean.
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01:06:03
Oh.
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J a. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s a microphone and a and a jack and a ace. Yeah. Yeah. That With a j and an a on it.
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That’s wild. So
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That’s silly. Yeah. That’s silly. That one that one needs to be shut up. That’s that’s outrageous. Yeah. But it’s just when you think that someone might have done something like that, someone might do a mass shooting sai they could take out one dude, like, blame it
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Yeah.
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On this guy. Like, how much planning has to be involved in that? And then, like, how do you get the Patsy? You get this guy who’s just ai a a degenerate gambler. That’s what he was. Right? He was just a poker player. Right?
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He made a bunch of money playing video poker, which is ai Oh. If you make that much money playing video poker, they’re not
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gonna let
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you keep playing. Ai. Really?
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01:06:53
Sana made money playing blackjack, and they’re like, you can’t play here anymore. Like, if you’re good, then you’re making money. They say, we don’t want you to do that. Yeah.
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They booted Dana out of the Palms back in the day. That’s what it was with the Palms, I think.
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But with, like I don’t know. OKC was that to destroy information? Is that the is that the conspiracy there? The the that, like, in the Oklahoma City bombing, there was there was some info in the building that they wanted because I know some of Bill Clinton’s stuff maybe disappeared.
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I don’t know the specifics on ram, but what I was getting at was the specifics of the bomb itself, that a fertilizer bomb would not be able to do that kind of destruction. And that destruction was the way a bomb generally works. Like, it goes from this is where the bomb detonates, and then all the energy goes outward. Ai?
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If you are parked right in front of a building, how does the building blow outward this way? And why were there’s all these reports of the FBI and, bomb units pulling additional undetonated bombs from the building? Right. Well Like, look at how the building blew out.
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I know. That’s
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It’s kinda crazy.
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Absolute devastation.
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I mean but it really depends entirely on the size of the bomb. Right? So if you have a bomb, like, see where that blue area is? Ai, that’s where supposedly, I think, where the bomb went off. If you have an an immense bomb that is right there and it just blows up and that’s the force of it all around, ai, in a sort of conical effect, that kinda makes sense.
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But a lot of people, think that the amount of power that you would generate from a fertilizer bomb is not really capable of doing that kind of damage.
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Did the
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And Al Alex Jones, who was the one the first person that I ever heard talk about this. Yeah. He played all these news reports of them talking about finding additional bombs. Right. Like, it was on the news. Sai they were talking about the the FBI or whoever it was.
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Was the ATF in that building?
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I believe something like that.
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Maybe they would have had
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Some information. Well, it’s also they changed some of the laws after that bombing.
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It some explosives could have been in their possession even or something.
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01:09:17
Oh, that like, it did it blew up because of the other thing blowing up?
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I mean
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Perhaps, but they didn’t say that. And it’s it’s pretty odd that the ATF offices would have just bombs laying around.
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01:09:27
Yeah. Meh. You’ve That doesn’t make any sense.
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Like, why do you guys have bombs in the break
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room? Studying.
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Yeah. We’re studying actual live bombs. I don’t think so. That doesn’t make any sense. They’re pretty good about taking care of bombs. But see if you can find anything about, reports of additional bombs from Oklahoma City. I know there was a
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they were looking for a second person
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01:09:48
for a while. Mhmm. Yeah. They were looking for a second person too. Right. But Ai mean, that there’s also this problem with, the fog of eyewitness accounts and everything after a a catastrophe. Like, one thing that happens about events is no one really like, if you’re there and some fucking thing blows up, it’s it’s entirely dependent upon your makeup whether or not you can even objectively recall exactly what happened.
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Yeah. Depending upon, like, how freaked out you are by this and how used to being freaked out you are. Right. Maybe you’re a vatsal. Maybe you’ve served overseas sana, like, you can actually give an accurate account of this because you’ve you’ve been around crazy shit.
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But if you haven’t, it’s very likely that, you know, people are very confused afterwards.
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01:10:35
I would have been totally shook.
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01:10:37
No credible evidence of additional bombs being found, initial confusion. This is AI over you. Arya. In the immediate aftermath of the Sai, by the way, that still thinks the COVID vaccine saved millions of lives. In the immediate aftermath of the bombing, some news reports and individuals speculated about multiple explosions. Okay.
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01:10:58
News reports, why would they say that if there was no reason to say that? Conflicting reports. Some theory suggested a saloni, even third bomb were involved, citing nearby seismograph readings and witness accounts. Seismograph. So there was multiple seismograph readings, experts expert disagreement.
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01:11:20
Oh, I love when they call in the experts. However, experts, including physician physicists and engineers that are not named, stated that the second tremor recorded by the sai of grass was likely caused by the building’s collapsed. Not another bomb. Go to sleep, America. Conspiracy theories some conspiracy theorists continued to promote the idea of additional bombs even though there was news reports, often citing discrepancies in the observed damage or expert opinions. Yeah.
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01:11:49
The observed damage is kinda crazy. The damage is ai of crazy. Yeah. It looks like it’s blown out. You know?
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01:11:56
That’s a that’s a huge huge demo job, man.
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01:12:00
Well, it’s just weird. You know, it’s and it’s his Timothy McVeigh’s reason for doing it. All of it is weird.
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01:12:08
Right. Like Wasn’t it was revenge for the government’s intervention with Ruby Ridge Yeah. In the Waco.
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01:12:16
Right. Right.
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01:12:17
So he was going to take on the
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01:12:20
I mean, how many days these extremist organizations get infiltrated by the government when they find some suckers?
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01:12:26
Well, didn’t they didn’t they find, like, the folks who were gonna kidnap the governor or something? It was just, like, wasn’t it all the gov?
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01:12:34
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was 12 out of 14 people
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01:12:39
Yeah.
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Were government agents. Oh. So then And then those two guys went to jail. So the two the two that weren’t yeah. Exactly. And the two that weren’t, it wasn’t even their idea. They were like dorks that were larping. Right. Yeah, man. We’re gonna blow up the government. Right. Yeah.
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01:12:55
They’re fucking losers. They wanted friends, you know. They wanted friends and they found friends in these extremists. And they thought that these guys, you know, they fucking meet up, talk about kidnapping the governor. Like, they thought it was all bullshit.
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01:13:05
Those guys literally sai, they thought we were never gonna do this. Yeah. And then the feds come knocking on their door. One of the wildest ones, they, radicalized this young guy who was 19 years old. I believe he was in Dallas.
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01:13:18
They radicalized him, and then they gave him a bomb that was fake, and then gave him a cell phone to detonate the bomb. And then when he dent when he tried to use the cell phone to detonate the bomb, they arrested him. Because even though it was fake, even though it didn’t work, even though they gave it to him, even though they talked him into doing it
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01:13:38
Right.
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01:13:38
They arrested him for terrorism because he was willing to listen to them, which is crazy.
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01:13:44
Why do you do that?
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01:13:45
Well, also, you’re doing it to a young guy who probably, like, does the first time in his life he felt like he had any purpose. Like, you’ve Deep. Mind fucked him into believing that he’s doing this for a greater good. You know, you’re you’re mind fucking him to telling him that, like, you know, he’s gonna put a dent in the great Satan by detonating this bomb, and you’re gonna go down in history.
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01:14:06
You’re gonna be huge. And and he’s just a dumb ai. Just a dumb dude who they talk into it, and then they arrest him. Like, meh stopped terrorism. Right.
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01:14:16
You fucking made it, bitch. You made it. And then
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01:14:19
the problem. Fix the problem. It’s kinda like the pharmaceutical industry or something. Well, it’s a pattern. Yeah.
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01:14:25
It’s a pattern that but it’s just a weird one that we, that we tolerate under the rule of law. Like, that seems pretty crazy that you guys made a plot to kidnap the governor. You got twelve twelve out of 14 of the people who arya involved were working with the government. And then, it you know, it should be ai, well, okay.
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01:14:48
Whose idea was it? It was Mike’s idea. He’s the first one to say, Mike, you work for the government. This is crazy, Mike. You can’t arrest Tom because it was your idea, Mike. You fucking asshole. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I was working for the government. I mean, I was like, okay.
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01:15:02
I’m fine. Right? Right. And then he gets they all get just disappear. Nobody hears them. Nobody knows their name. Nobody knows who they are.
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01:15:10
They’re probably doing it right now somewhere.
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01:15:11
They they go into the private sector. They’re they’re with I don’t know. Who knows?
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01:15:19
Who knows?
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01:15:19
Over with,
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01:15:20
Ai mean, who knows who’s instructing them to do sure. Who knows who’s instructing them to do what they were doing in the first place? Like, why did you guys decide that you’re gonna kidnap the governor? Did is there higher ups that told you this is a good idea to plot this?
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01:15:34
Like, what are we trying to do?
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01:15:35
I just wonder how much within those within even these buildings, ai, what’s the communication like in a huge organization ai the FBI or something? Are there are there people over on Floor 2 that have no idea what’s going on on Floor 4?
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01:15:54
100%. You know? 100%. And Yeah. 100%.
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01:15:58
Just pockets pockets of intelligence, little microcosms of of people work, you know.
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01:16:06
Well, talking to people that actually work in the government, they’ll tell you there are people that are in charge of each individual office, and they’re like a czar of this office. You gotta get through them. Yeah. And they could put the kibosh on anything you’re trying to do, and they’re hiding information from the rest of the office. Right.
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01:16:24
Hiding information from other agencies. Ai. When I was a kid, I dated this girl who worked for the government, and one of her jobs was this was like really the beep very beginning of computers. So ’91 maybe, somewhere around then, maybe ‘2, maybe ’92. And her job was to help, distribute information.
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01:16:48
Sai, if the Navy did a study that the arya would have access to it, you know. So it was all on a database. Okay. So this was ai really really early on. Right. Because they didn’t share information with each other.
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01:17:00
But they still don’t share information.
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01:17:02
No. They’re in competition with each other.
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01:17:04
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:17:06
Yeah. And some of them don’t like each other. Yeah. Like, there’s agencies that don’t meh those fucking pussies over at the CIA and those Right. Faggots over at the FBI. Like, there’s still, like, a lot of that stupid shit that goes on. There’s a lot of that stupid shit that goes on just ai there’s people that root for the fucking Dolphins and other people root for the Raiders. People get tribal.
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01:17:24
People get really weird, man. They get tribal with every damn thing that they do. Every damn thing that they do. And then it’s us ai, damn one.
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01:17:32
It is.
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01:17:32
You know, we’re Xerox is gonna take over the copying world. Fuck all those other pussies.
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01:17:37
It’s like it’s like as above, so below, man, the part the the patterns the patterns go down forever.
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01:17:44
Yeah. Well, we have the patterns of territorial apes. That’s the problem. We have the the consistent patterns of territorial apes, and those patterns find their way into everything. Yeah. They find their way into fucking poetry slams.
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01:17:59
I mean, it’s it’s a it’s music. Yeah. Music’s like that.
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01:18:02
Oh, for sure. Right? Yeah.
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01:18:04
Your comedy is like that.
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01:18:05
It is to some extent. Yeah. Yeah. Ai mean, some certain circles it is. In certain circles it’s not. But it’s, it’s like that with everything. Everyone is fighting for dominance.
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01:18:17
Yeah.
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01:18:17
And it’s really gross weird way. And Ai think it’s just our genetics. I think it’s our the pattern of how we got here for the first place and how the human reward systems were all set up. They’re they’re set up to to try to conquer things. And, you know, whether you’re conquering video game development or fucking you’re making the the best folding phone, it’s ai we’re we’re gonna kick ass over Google.
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01:18:41
You ai, everybody has their own little thing, their little realm they’re trying to conquer.
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01:18:45
Right. And it feels great.
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01:18:48
No. I don’t think it does.
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01:18:49
You don’t think it feels great to kick ass at something? Well I
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01:18:52
mean, you want like, I think Certain I mean, certainly does. The pursuit
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01:18:55
is excellent.
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01:18:56
Yes. It’s
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01:18:56
ai the most joy rendering thing that there is.
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01:18:59
That aspect of it. But the aspect of crushing your enemies, I wonder how much fun
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01:19:04
it is.
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01:19:05
You don’t have to have like, I don’t this is the thing. It’s ai playing guitar arya something. I don’t have an enemy. But you’re an artist.
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01:19:12
You’re not a corporation.
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01:19:13
I just I I I’m a corporation.
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01:19:16
Arya you an LLC yet? Did you sign up for the devil’s deal? What what is Limited Ai Corporation. A lot of people do. So
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01:19:25
I I don’t have a record deal if that’s what you’re saying.
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01:19:28
No. No. No. No. When you start making money, they tell you to form an LLC.
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01:19:34
What is it gonna do?
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01:19:35
It’s like a you become like a little corporation. And that way, you pay yourself from the corporation. You can lease a car from the corporation. Ai I that’d be kind of cool. Have to do that someday eventually.
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01:19:46
I’ll be in a corporate
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01:19:47
Maybe after this podcast, you have to do that. Have you Call it bottomless wells.
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01:20:00
Ai I I that’s the most fun, and it does seem like it is what anytime you’re in you’re in a hard place or anything like that meh or, Yeah. It’s ai the the best way out is, like, find something to try to get good at or try some you know? And then try your best at it. Yeah. Ai, get in it just seems innate.
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01:20:24
I think so.
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01:20:25
Ai, I
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01:20:26
don’t think
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No matter what it is.
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01:20:27
Right. But the problem is if that thing is making money, then it gets weird. Right? Like, if your if your whole thing you’re good at and you try to get better at is just making money, that’s that’s when things get pretty squirrelly. Because the same thing that makes you really good at writing songs could make another person, like, really good at being a psychopath.
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01:20:44
Because the best way to make money is to be completely feelingless Yes. And and did not give a shit about who this is gonna impact, you know. Ship all those jobs overseas. Look how much money we’re gonna make. Do this to that.
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01:20:55
Fuck all the listen, if we don’t take care of this in environmental pollutant, and we’re just like ai it leak out, we save x amount of money. Right.
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01:21:04
Do that. Right.
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01:21:05
Then that’s that’s where things get weird. You figure out the best way to make money, like you’re really good at making money and that becomes your creativity. You get really creative about moving around the law in order to make money. You get really creative about how you establish relationships with people.
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01:21:20
How you can, you know, make sure that laws are passed that favor what you’re doing and
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01:21:25
That’s a strange art.
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01:21:27
Very weird art. That’s a dark art.
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01:21:30
That is that is the dark art. It’s a dark art. Snape never taught about that one, dawg.
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01:21:35
Well, it’s not a creative art, but it is creative in some ways. It it it taps into that same thing, but in a very negative way. You know, maybe positive for that person’s bank account, but negative in terms of its impact.
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01:21:48
But do they even care about their bank account at that? Like, what is it to them? It’s just something totally different.
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01:21:54
That’s the world they live in, man. Like, if you’re a fucking prison warden, the war the world you live in is, like, these are the rules in order to be to stay alive as a prison warden. This is what you’re gonna do. If you’re a prison guard, if you’re on the floor with all these inmates, this is what you do to stay alive.
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01:22:10
This is what you do to maintain order. This is what you do to make sure people listen and fall in line. Like, that once you’re there, that’s you have to do that. Right? Like, if you’re there, if you’re up if you’re a prison guard, this is what you do.
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01:22:24
And I think if you’re a guy who is in charge of, ai, you’re an economic hitman ai John Perkins. You know that? You ever read that book?
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01:22:33
Uh-uh.
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01:22:35
What they do is they would give enormous loans to countries that definitely couldn’t fucking pay it off, and then, you know, come in and start extracting resources. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, China does that. The United States does that. Many countries have been involved in that kind of shit, and they’re creative in that way.
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01:22:54
Are there NGOs doing that? I’m sure. Like, is that what
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01:22:58
I’m sure.
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01:22:59
Is that what oh, Billy Billy g is up to? Or
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01:23:03
Billy g?
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01:23:05
Yeah. Don’t know. Microsoft. Oh.
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01:23:08
Ai Well, he’s involved in Do you a lot of the
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01:23:11
Do you give a big loan or, you know, give a big favor out and then take and then just take whatever you want from them after that? Because everyone’s everyone’s got notes once they
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01:23:22
Yeah. Well, it’s called philanthropic capitalism, you know. And that being a philanthropist is actually very profitable, which is
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01:23:30
weird. No.
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01:23:30
I Like, Bill Gates made hundreds of millions of dollars off of the pandemic Yeah. From just from vaccines.
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01:23:37
Dude, philanthropy is far out. I have a song about philanthropy.
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01:23:41
Do you?
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01:23:41
It’s called Philanthropist.
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01:23:44
Let’s hear it. Put it on there. Put it Jamie will find it. You know, ai, real true philanthropy when you’re, you know, you’re giving money away because you’re just a kind person is wonderful. It’s beautiful. You know? I like it when it’s done silently.
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01:24:01
That’s the only way to properly do it. Right?
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01:24:11
When I was just a boy, my mama asked me this. She said, son, what do you wanna be? I said, a big philanthropist would date as my oil. An illness is my business with guns as my retirement and war as my mistress. I’m gonna be an oligarch with a whole bunch of rockets. I’d get them two sides fighting and I’d empty both of their pockets and if I got bored or money weary, rent.
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01:24:39
I’d try my hand in dabbling in social engineering. And I’m gonna be a billionaire with a big foundation. We used to rule in shadows, but I’d come right out and I’d rule the die in slow installments, and I’ll bleed you while I can. And I travel around the planet, and I’m big, old, mister reject.
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01:25:17
What I did would be my business, and what you did Ai would collect if I was a philanthropist. Just run around philanthropist. Not a whole lot of help just for myself, but I gotta make it look convincing.
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01:25:37
You nailed it. It’s That’s that’s philanthropic capitalism right there Dude. In a song.
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01:25:42
It’s far out.
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01:25:45
That’s a great song.
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01:25:46
It shouldn’t be it shouldn’t it shouldn’t be allowed.
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01:25:50
It shouldn’t be allowed. Well, it shouldn’t be that easy to trick people.
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01:25:54
Who believes it? That’s ai I’m just I’m like, who who in the hell would
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01:25:58
would would
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01:25:58
think that this is good things happen because of it, but more bad things happen than good a lot of the time. And you’re holding an entire nation hostage or an entire group of people hostage by lending them money. Mhmm. Well, that’s not freedom. No. You gotta be free.
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01:26:18
Yeah. It’s, it’s real weird. Because there’s certain people that are, like, genuine philanthropists. But even them, when you’re donating money to specific organizations and you find out that most of their money goes to overhead
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01:26:34
Right.
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01:26:34
Most of their money goes to employee saloni, which are ridiculously high. Right. And you go, oh, this is a scam. This is clearly a scam. You aren’t you aren’t kind people trying to fix the world. You’re profiting off of this idea of being a kind person that wants to fix the world.
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01:26:48
And you’re doing a little bit of help. You’re doing about 10% of help, maybe 20% of help, maybe even 30 for a good organization. But the reality is, it’s about you. Yeah. Which is crazy. You know, imagine if just you said, hey, meh. My friend’s sick.
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01:27:05
Do you think you could donate some money to my friend? You know, because he he doesn’t have any health insurance and Right. And we were like, yeah, man. What do we gotta do? And then everybody gives you money, and then you take 70% of it. And we go, hey, dude. What the fuck?
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01:27:19
And he gets And you’re ai, you’re like, hey, man. I worked to get that money for him.
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01:27:25
Yeah.
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01:27:25
I had to call you guys. I really I put in the time. I need some of that money. I need 70% of that money. He’d be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Your friends would never talk to you again. No. Everybody would hate you. But meanwhile, if you do this for an NGO, you get celebrated. Right.
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01:27:43
Insane.
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01:27:45
It’s real. It it is insane, and it’s real. The the weirdest thing about it is this isn’t a conspiracy theory. This is real. Yeah. This is really how most of them operate. Some of it’s 90%. Some of it’s ninety ten. Yeah. There’s good ones out there though.
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01:28:01
There’s really good ones that where most of the money goes to the charity, and that’s awesome. There’s real people out there that are really kind people that are genuine philanthropists, and most of them live very humble lives.
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01:28:12
Right.
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01:28:12
Because that’s you don’t make a million dollars a year if you’re doing it right. Right. You just don’t. Right. You know, you just don’t. And if you are making a million dollars a year, chances are you might be a vampire. Yeah.
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01:28:27
I wonder you. I mean, that guy was all over the all over the flight logs and everything.
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01:28:36
Which guy was? Which guy?
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01:28:37
Gates. Oh,
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01:28:38
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:28:40
All all tangled up in all sorts of stuff, man.
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01:28:43
Yeah. He was tangled up in all sorts of stuff after that guy went to jail. Mhmm. After he went to jail and came out the first time
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01:28:51
Yeah.
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01:28:51
Gates was hanging with him still. Yeah. As were many people. It’s it’s real weird stuff, man. It’s real weird. Because it seems that it’s ai once you develop a network of people that trust a person like that, and, like, come come hang out with him. He’s cool. You know, it’s a good place to go and get your freak on.
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01:29:13
Like, because if you’re a really rich, like, international businessman and everybody knows who you are like a Bill Gates sai character, you can’t just go get some head. Like, what do you do? How do you how do you how do you go get your fuck on? You know?
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01:29:27
What do you do? Is that is that what the is that who Jeff was?
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01:29:30
I don’t
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01:29:31
know. Was he the the fixer in that?
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01:29:33
I would just be speculating. I would just be speculating. But Yeah. A good friend of mine who’s very intelligent said this to me. He said, there’s people that want certain experiences, and there’s people that provide these powerful people with experiences. And that’s how they fit into the social structure.
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01:29:49
They’re there to to help. They can keep their mouth shah, and they help people get these experiences. Right. And then there’s probably some sort of a wild rush of being naughty and doing things you’re not supposed to be doing. We can get away with it because we’re worth $80,100,000,000,000 dollars or whatever the fuck they’re worth.
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01:30:08
They’re trying very hard to get away with this one. I don’t know if the people are going to forget. Just People are never
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01:30:16
gonna forget. The problem is, do we have any power? What do we do? You know, what do you do? You I mean, you definitely can change the way you vote, like, if it comes up again. But the problem is this is a bipartisan
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01:30:29
issue. Ai. It’s not Ai don’t know. I heard it as a as a democratic hoax. That’s
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01:30:35
Yeah. I don’t think that’s true.
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01:30:38
Ai
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01:30:38
Well, it’s certainly not a hoax if you go to jail. Certainly not a hoax if Ghislaine Maxwell’s in jail too. So she’s in jail for sex trafficking. Excuse me. She’s in jail for sex trafficking. But the question is to who? Who she who you have to be sex trafficking to someone Somebody. In order to go to jail.
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01:30:57
Right? Sai who how’s that work? How she’s been in jail for years. So, like, how’s that work?
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01:31:04
Is she looking at a bryden? Are they gonna
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01:31:08
I don’t know. But they just moved her to another prison. They moved? It’s supposed to be a nice prison as far as prisons are.
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01:31:14
They moved her to to kill her?
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01:31:17
Could be. But I would why why would you waste the money to move someone if you wanted to kill them? I’m sure they could kill her pretty easy. I don’t know. You know? But the question is, does she have dead woman switches? You know what I mean?
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01:31:31
What’s You know,
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01:31:32
the dead man switches? Ai, when? And ai? Yeah. Like, if I die, I want you to do this for me. And then whether it’s in Israel, whether it’s in Canada, whoever the fuck the person is that you have that you give this information to Yeah. You just sai, if anything happens to me, let this loose. And then you tell them, like, look, I have this, that, this, and that. I have all these tapes.
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01:31:54
I have all these videos. And, if anything happens to me, all this goes online.
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01:32:00
So leave me alone. If that were true.
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01:32:03
That’s a real thing that people do. It’s called a dead man switch.
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01:32:07
Dead man switch.
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01:32:08
Yeah. That’s how people maintain ai. If you have information that’s really sensitive, they have to trust you. Someone trusts you to not tell something that can ruin their empire of hundreds of billions of dollars and and put them in jail possibly. They have to trust you. They’re not gonna trust you. They don’t trust you. But if they know that you know, that if you tell, they’ll kill you.
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01:32:35
And then they know that if they kill you, you’ll have the dead man switch. Okay. We got a stalemate.
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01:32:43
So, like
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01:32:44
Let that motherfucker live.
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01:32:45
Is this mutually assured destruction? Exactly. Some kind of nuclear standoff. Meh. They’re pointing missiles
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01:32:51
at each other. Missile information missiles at each other. It’s dark, dude. But it makes for a good spy novel. If just Meh, the way it actually really works, it’d be a crazy novel. You’d be ai, this is nuts.
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01:33:07
Ai a Tom Wolf is something or another.
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Yeah. Just with the if you actually knew the actual facts, I bet it’ll be quite fascinating. Yeah. You know? Like, we have these narratives that we assume are real about even about history. And I bet a lot of them are full of shit too, you know? Bill Murray was on the podcast. It’s really interesting. And, he read Bob Woodward’s, story about his good friend, John Belushi.
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Right.
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So he said, I read five pages of it. I was like, oh ai god. They framed Nixon. Right. Ai that crazy?
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Well, I mean, isn’t Bob Woodward? He’s known to have been hired or at least worked with CIA and and He
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was an intelligence agent. Yeah.
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He’s an intelligence, and he First
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he built
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builds the narratives.
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It was also his first job as a journalist.
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Yeah.
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Which is how? How did the senior journalist not get that job? You’re you’re literally going to take down a president.
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I didn’t see that aspect of it in all the president’s men. Who is that? Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You don’t get that. You don’t get that.
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Because that was before the Internet. Yeah. Like, they they could get away with a movie like that.
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I kinda Sai kinda wonder if they oh, listen. I’m sure this Ai I actually I don’t know anything about do you know Tom Hanks?
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Tom Hanks, the actor?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I don’t know him personally.
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No. Ai just wonder if every every once in a ai, when the government needs to explain something to the public in a way that puts us in the best light, if they commission a movie through Hollywood and stick Tom Hanks in it, meh, he’s just explained so much to us over the years.
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With Charlie Wilson’s war, it’s like, here’s how the
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Saving private money.
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How this this goes. You know, Forrest Gump is kind of a nostalgia fest about the, you know, Vietnam War. It kind of makes light of it. You know, the Polar Express Ai actually don’t know about the Polar Express.
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Animated movie. Well, my friend Ram was telling me my son friend Sam Tripoli was telling me that and Ai heard this, that during World War one, they had a problem that soldiers were not shooting at the enemy. They didn’t wanna kill them. They didn’t wanna be there. And so they were firing their guns, but not even aiming them at the enemy.
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Right.
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So to combat this, they started making movies. And then in the movies, these war movies, the soldiers would shoot the enemy, and they were, like, really heroes. And so then in World War two, people were much more willing to shoot the enemy. Gee. Isn’t that crazy?
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Yeah.
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Like, so the intelligence communities have been deeply involved in movie making from the very beginning. Because back then, movies were the most powerful narrative in all of society.
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Right.
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And there was no counter narrative, not not to speak of. Nothing that went glow nothing went global or even that was, like, publicly mass distributed. There’s not I mean, you might have people in coffee shops saying, hey, man. I read this and this and that. Right. But there are small groups of people.
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Most people were in the dark.
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Even if you had a counternarrative, you’d be like Pete Seeger and get, like, blacklisted in the fifth you know, a musician. It’d be Smedley Butler. But well, you’re right. Who was in a
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The end of his career. Yeah. It’s it’s a
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wonder he survived his own his own tell all there with War as a racket.
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Yeah. And so It is.
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It didn’t seem to do a whole lot. Whatever, World War two is just, you know, six years after.
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I know. Crazy. Isn’t it crazy though that they made movies about war to encourage people to just shoot the enemy when they see them? Because most people, it’s probably so abstract to them, like, they’re from ai, especially if they had just gotten there from Europe. Right? So imagine if you’re dealing with, World War one, like, a lot of those people probably recently arrived in America. Mhmm. Right?
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And then now you’re being sent over to France. Now you’re being sent over to Germany. Ai, you’re you’re you’re involved in a fucking war now. You’re in a trench war.
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Well, I know Meh was pretty was really not wanting to get in with World War one anyway.
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You know?
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Sai was it the Lusitania? Some folks think that even might ai been, you know, false.
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Do they think that was a false flag?
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I’ve possibly
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It could have been. Well, I mean, that’s a long there’s a long history of false flags that got us into war. I mean, it goes back to Nero burning Rome, you know. And what they did with the Gulf Of Tonkin incident is What happened with Nero? Let’s go pull that up. Nero was so crazy, dude. You know one of the things Nero did? What?
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He beat his pregnant wife to death, and then he found a slave that looked like his wife, a boy, castrated him, and sai, this is my wife. And paraded this person around. Sporus
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was his name. French stuff.
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Yeah. And just fucked this poor dude with no dick that he had his dick cut off. And then, passed that guy off to someone else, and that guy eventually wound up committing suicide. Yeah. Yeah. Nero was a complete total psychopath. So there was, this one false flag incident. Would it see if you could find what Nero did. You know, that was ai, like, Hitler. Hitler burned the Reichstag.
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That was a false flag too. The Gulf Of Tonkin one was a crazy one because that was what was that? 6768 or something like that?
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Already been in Vietnam for years at that point.
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No. No. That was the we they had some limited operations.
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Right.
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But it wasn’t ai we’re as full scale soldiers invading Vietnam.
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Is this is this precursor to, like, Meh TED offensive or so? Or
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I don’t know. But this was the incident that dragged us in. Burning Rome, burning Christians. Year ’64, during the Principate of Nero, the night between July 1819, the fire broke out in Rome within nine days destroyed or badly damaged. This substantial part of the city, leaving many dead or homeless.
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Rumors circulated the fire had been set by Nero, who it was claimed sought to divert blame from himself by holding responsible a new sect of aggressively proselytizing Jews known as Christians. Wow. Most recent scholarship has rejected the popular view of Nero as an arsonist who fiddled while Rome burned, in quotes.
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Largely ignored, however, has been the question of whether or not the Christians generally regarded as innocent scapegoats of Nero ai, in fact, played have played some role in the fire. There’s controversy. Yeah. The chapter considers the problematic nature of Christianity and Rome and Roman attitudes towards Christians in the first century CE and suggests based on this evidence that Christian involvement is not out of the question.
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Not out of the question, but the narrative has always been that Nero did it to divert attention. Yeah. But the point is it’s ai look, they tried to do that with Operation Northwoods. It’s one of the things that Kennedy vetoed. The Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on an operation to do a false flag event where they were gonna blow up a drone jetliner, blame it on Cuba, and they were gonna arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay.
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And it would they were doing this so that they drag us into a war with Cuba, and Kennedy vetoed it. But it was signed by the joint chiefs of staff. Right. Ai like, sounds good.
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Right.
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They’re fucking small. I
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mean, is this what is this what the Bay of what the Bay Of Pigs is?
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No. The Bay Of Pigs is a different thing. The Bay Of Pigs is after that. And the Bay Of Pigs the problem with the Bay Of Pigs was that they planned it without Kennedy knowing.
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The men were already there.
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Yeah. And then they had air support, and that was part of their mission. And then Kennedy denied air support. And then He got slaughtered. The men on the ground got slaughtered. Yeah. And so they my friend Evan, who was a ranger, he believes it’s very possible that some of the people involved in that might have been involved in the assassination of Kennedy Right.
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Because they had a huge grudge, and these were, you know, hardened assassins. It’s huge.
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Yeah. If that’s something that you’d go and mine Yeah. People out of that operation.
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Well, there’s a lot of people that hated Kennedy after that. Yeah. A lot of people. We don’t think about it now because ai think of Kennedy as, like, being loved, but there’s people that celebrated when he got murdered. Gee. Yeah.
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That, I can’t imagine.
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Yeah. Yeah. The well, it’s like today. Like, if Trump got murdered, there’s people that would celebrate. You know? Or if Kamala Harris had gotten murdered on the campaign trail, there’s people that would celebrate. There’s gross people on both sides of the aisle.
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It it is I mean, it’s it’s a sign that something’s not good when we’re celebrating just death. No. I feel, you know, I feel like.
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Well, it’s certainly a society that’s lost its way Yeah. If that’s the only solution is to kill people. You know? Or if you don’t like how the results turned out, you do everything you can to destroy that person, which, I think the most interesting version that is happening right now in New York City.
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That Mondani guy that, who’s essentially, like, at the very least a socialist, but kind of leans towards a communist direction.
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Right.
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Both sides are trying to get rid of that guy. They’re ai, we can’t allow him to be mayor. Okay. But, like but the people elected him. He won the Democratic ai, and he’s like 44% ahead of everybody else in the process.
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So there’s still you sorry. You gotta kinda fill me in. Alright.
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So the the actual election is not until November. Right? So they have the primary
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first.
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Yeah. Mondani won, and he won over Andrew Cuomo who used to be the governor of the state. And everybody thought he was gonna win.
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Right.
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And then people ai, holy shah. This communist guy is gonna be the fucking mayor of New York City.
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Okay.
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And he’s promising to jack up taxes, and he’s promising to have, like, city funded grocery stores and Okay. Ai a lot of communist ideas.
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Okay.
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So both the right and the left are, like, we gotta get this guy out of here.
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Okay.
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There’s no way. But it’s, like, if you believe in the democratic process, like, this is what the people wanted. Right. Let’s find out if it works.
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So the
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Let’s find out if if it sucks, if it makes New York City even worse, well, then, in a few years, you get to vote again.
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Yeah. How I was gonna sai, how long is the how long is mayorship?
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I think it’s four years.
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Four years. Right?
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Is it a four year term for mayor of New York City? It has to be. Right? Because in two years, you’re basically just using the time to campaign for your reelection. Yeah. Because you’d probably by the time you got in there, it’s, like, twenty four months later, you gotta do it again. Right.
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You’re like,
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ugh. So then what are the what are the two sides doing to, to bring him to bring him down?
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Talk about getting him out of the country. There’s people that are talking about, is there a way to to expel him from the country?
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To revoke his citizenship?
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Yeah. There’s there’s talk of that. Yeah. But people are trying to figure out any way to get rid of this guy.
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Well, he is a citizen, of course.
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But he wasn’t born in America, which freaks people out. He’s a Muslim. He’s from Uganda. That’s where he’s from. He’s only been in America for a certain amount of years, and he’s only been a citizen, I think, for seven or eight years, something like that. And he won, you know. Like Yeah. If you believe in this thing, like, that’s what people voted for, and you gotta do better.
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That’s the
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that’s the game. Folks want. That’s that’s what the folks want.
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Yeah. Well, the thing is, there’s a lot of people that live in New York City that live in, you know, any city really that don’t feel like their needs are being met by the government.
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Right.
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And they don’t feel like the government has their best interest. And if some guy comes along with some radical ideas that he says are the solution, well, if the people believe him and it’s not true, you’ve done a terrible job. You’ve done a terrible job of both distributing information and taking care of these people because they’re looking for any kind of a solution.
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Right.
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Even a solution that might wind up causing a bunch of corporations to leave the city and a bunch of money to leave the city and a bunch of jobs to leave the city.
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Yeah. That doesn’t the it’s things are things are desperate. Right? What? The politicians really controlled by, like ai, three main things, like special interests, donor class, and multinational corporations. So anybody who looks like they’re disentangled from any of those things is looking pretty appealing.
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Exactly. Exactly. That’s why he’s way ahead. He’s ahead by 44%. That’s true. Everybody else has, like, 12%, 20%. I think the I think the highest one other than him and the the most recent polling was Cuomo, who’s still running somehow or another. I don’t know how he’s doing it. It’s like, is he an independent? Like, how is Cuomo running? Is that what it is? Yeah.
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So he’s running as an independent because he couldn’t win the Democratic ai? Yeah. But he’s still way behind this guy.
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Yeah.
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According to polls, but the problem with polls is, of course, who the fuck answers polls. Not you.
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Oh, no. Not me. I think polls are just made so that news people have something to talk about.
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Well
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Ai wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the ones well, they probably are. They probably go to the poll center and they sai, run this poll because I gotta I gotta have something to talk about on Wednesday.
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Yeah. It’s you could rig them. Right? So you could rig them, like, say, if you went to a specific group of people that you knew leaned ai, and you started asking them questions on things arya specific group of people, specific part of the city Yeah. That you knew is more progressive, you would go there. If you wanted to rig polls, and then you push that narrative out, this is how the people feel.
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It’s ai, okay, but who’s answering? A very small percentage and mostly dopes. Mostly dopes are answering polls. Sorry if you answer polls. But most of the people have nothing else to do.
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Because if you call me
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I never met anybody who’s answered poll.
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Bingo.
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I met a lot of folks. You met a lot of folks.
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Exactly. You
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ever met anyone who answered poll?
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No. And the presidential polls are the weird ones because sometimes they’re wildly wrong, and yet somebody got paid to make those polls.
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I think it’s it’s the new I think it’s the news. I think the news is an incredibly lucrative business. It’s an entertainment business. There’s not news every day. There’s there’s nothing just and and they gotta run twenty four hours. Yeah. The you they’re making up they’re making up new they should call it they should call it the old because it’s always the same shit happening, man.
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Like, it’s not even Yeah. It doesn’t matter where you where you’re getting it either. It’s it
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It’s also a lot. I mean, CNN tried to separate themselves from that when they realized it was, like, financially ai devastating to the company to have, like, really bad editorial meh, which is what they did. Sai they got rid of all their head newscasters.
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Okay.
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Because everybody was terrible and everybody hated them. So they just got rid of most of them.
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Right.
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And they tried to go objective with the news. But the problem is, like, that way people aren’t outraged. And the only way people are gonna pay attention now, because you you spoiled them. You gave them candy, and now you can’t give them filet mignon. Ai, this is bullshit. I want Cheetos. I want snacks.
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Right.
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Like, you’ve you ruined them, and you gave them this for decades. And so now, if you want your ratings, you have to give them outrage. You have to have a bunch of people yelling at each other on TV sai they pay attention.
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That and, like, the I feel like the most, like, colorful people that they would have had on their things have gone indie now. You know? Like like, Tucker Carlson has his his podcast sana, like, let’s see. Candace Owens is with, like, Daily Wire, and now she’s, like, got she’s got her own
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Yeah.
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Big thing. And there’s and then there’s smaller there’s smaller ones you got, like, break breaking points is one.
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You know, the real problem is the left ones never succeed once they’re fired. The people that leave CNN, they’re always, like, dismissed.
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Well, the talent I mean, we had to be talented to do to do that, to sit there and look at a camera and just talk for, like, hours about you gotta be really talented. So
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You gotta be really dedicated. And you have to you have to understand how people are receiving what you’re saying too. And the problem with, like, a CNN type job is that you’re being told what to do. You show up. You read the news as written by these people. You have a teleprompter. Right. You you you really can’t stray very far from the narrative.
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And, you know, you’re allowed to you’re allowed to elaborate inside the narrative as long as it fits with what CNN is trying to promote.
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Right.
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And as soon as you deviate from that, you’re you’re cooked. You’re gone.
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Yeah. So the so then there’s really no crew there’s there’s not much courier for you after that.
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Because once you leave, everybody knows you’re a propagandist. Like, no one’s ever gonna really truly believe in that.
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You weren’t coming up with anything yourself. It was all fed to you.
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Exactly. You
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were drawn.
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Exactly. And then we also watched as you did elaborate on your own about whatever you thought about the narrative. You’re a dope. You’re a dope that’s only on television because they put you there. You’re not you’re not like you didn’t rise through the ram. Like, this is one of the most interesting people I’ve ever heard talk on television. Like, no. It was not Yeah. This is not that at all. Yeah.
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You’re not sincere. You’re you’re you know, we what people like is authenticity. You know, you wanna know that someone is actually telling you what they think, and you don’t get any of that from them. As soon as you don’t get that from people, you never wanna listen. Whether you believe Tucker Carlson or not, he’s being authentic. Like, what he’s saying, he he believes.
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Right. This is who he is, and that’s why he works. That’s why it works outside of
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Fox News when he left. Those those folks all these folks who do I think even Bill Bill O’Reilly, after he got, like, kicked out, you know, from from broadcast, he has he’s got his podcast and stuff. If they they really believe their their stuff, man.
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Yeah. Whether they’re right or wrong.
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Yeah. Well, it’s not about that. I I feel like the public has to understand that at the end of the day, these these guys are whether they believe it or not, this is entertainment. These guys are entertainers.
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These Yeah.
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Like, this isn’t the new they’re telling you stuff. They’re feeding it to you, and and you gotta take things with a big ass grain of salt because this stuff is these are entertainers.
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Well, there’s definitely that aspect of it. Like And if you’re not entertaining, you’re gonna get removed from your job, and you’re gonna meh replaced by someone who’s better at your job Yeah. Or hotter. You know? Someone who’s got a nice a nice rack and a short skirt and who’s really good at talking. Like, wow. I really ai wanna watch her talk.
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That’s, I guess that’s for the cable folks or something.
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Yeah. I mean, that’s part of the gig. Right? Like, how many of those ladies on Fox News just look hot as the sun while they’re telling you whatever the fuck they’re supposed to be telling you. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a special kinda hot too. That, like, ice queen hot. That’s a that Republican, like, hard nosed hot.
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I don’t get it. Special kinda hot. I don’t get it, man. I don’t you’d that’s the that’s the cheapest that’s the cheapest thing they can pull over on the on the news stations is to have Yeah. Is to have sex appeal.
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Yeah. But they’ve always get I mean, that’s how they sell cars. That’s how they sell everything. People use that for everything because we’re dumb.
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Ai I’m optimistic, man. I think we’re gonna wake up. We’re gonna say, I don’t care I don’t care what the hot lady on Fox says. They’re murdering people.
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Yeah. Well You know? Or I’m optimistic too, and I ai I think you’re right. I think we are doing that right now. I think, believe it or not, your songs are a part of that. It’s, you know, whatever percentage you you reach that’s it’s not zero. There’s there’s people that you reach ai that UnitedHealth. How many views that get all told?
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I don’t know. It
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has to be millions.
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It got
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a lot of looks. Millions and millions and millions. I ai. I sana it to a lot of people.
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Think this the tunes get they get passed around. Some of them get passed around.
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Did I repost that? I reposted it. Right? Yeah. Okay. If I repost it, I could find out how many people just saw the one that I reposted.
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That’d be that’d be a lot.
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It resonates, man. It’s ai people are fuck. How long ago
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was that? When you shared the list, that one blew up too. I Yeah.
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Ai was a good one too. How long ago was that? The UnitedHealth one?
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That was in, December.
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What is it, Jim?
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You posted it eight months ago.
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Eight months ago. Alright. This is gonna take a while because I’m a chatty Cathy. I posted
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a lot. 12/15/2024.
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Oh, that’s not that long ago. Okay. So here’s Fetterman. That’s around that time. Let me find it. There ain’t no you. Come on, cocksucker. Where are you?
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There’s no shortage of stuff to make to make tunes on.
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How do you decide what to make tunes on? Do you just sit and and when something, like, resonates with you and pisses
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you off? Something yeah. When when something is ai, you know, gee, gee, I got I got something I could say about that, then that’s that’s when you that’s when you do
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I can’t find it too.
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A tube. But I know it’s on here.
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01:55:16
How would I how would I search for it? I just you have to do if, I
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don’t think you can. Because you’re trying to see the views. You need to just
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01:55:23
Oh, found it. Here we go. Sorry. Okay. View ai. 6,742,803 views. The watch time is three years, one hundred and four days, seventeen hours, thirteen minutes, and eight seconds.
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01:55:45
Folks got too much time on their hands.
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01:55:47
There’s a lot of people on the toilet right now, bro. They need something to listen to. You ever go to the toilet without your phone? It’s weird. You just sit there, like, wow. I’m
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01:55:57
saloni with
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01:55:58
my boss.
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01:55:58
A spacewalk without oxygen.
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01:56:01
No one knows how to do it anymore. Yeah. It’s,
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01:56:06
Read the doctor Bronner’s bottle.
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01:56:07
But the thing is, like, that the the 6,000,000 plus people that heard that, like, that that affects the narrative. And then, you know, the list one, that affects the narrative. And this one that you did on philanthropy, that affects the narrative. Because there’s everyone’s, like, throwing their coins into this big pile and trying to figure this out.
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01:56:27
And it more so now than I think has ever happened at any time in human history. There’s more discussion. It’s just Yeah. We’re so upset that it it’s not fixed. And, it it’s on its way in the right direction, I think.
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01:56:44
It’s just not satisfying the pace with in which progress is happening.
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01:56:50
Everybody can get on now too. I mean, like, that’s it’s just like, I prop up my iPhone and, like, play a tune. Mhmm. Everyone can just, like, get in Yep. Phone in front of their face and, like, get it out there. You know?
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01:57:06
Yeah. Yeah. Anyone can now, which is great. I mean, this allows guys like you to just, all of a sudden, have a following. You know, all you have to do is have some saloni, some talent, some creativity, some hard work. Bam. There you go. It’s kinda cool. I mean, that’s the beautiful side of social media.
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01:57:25
That’s good. There’s no there’s no rules as far as especially in the music industry and stuff. There’s no rules anymore. Anyone who tells you that they know what to do or that they know what they’re doing, they’re so full of shit, dawg. Yeah. Nobody knows what they’re doing. Yeah.
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01:57:39
And, like, we want we want people to know because we wanna ask, like, what could I do to, you know, to have to be successful or whatever? Then nobody knows. No. Nobody knows, and there’s no gatekeepers or anything like that. All you have to do is want to play music.
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01:57:55
All you have to and then go and do it on your phone and see if anyone likes you. And if they like you, you’re you know, that’s good. Yeah. Then everybody will come to you and say, I know how to make this bigger, and they don’t know what they’re talking about either.
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01:58:10
No. They’re generally, they’re vampires, and they’re trying to take a piece. Yeah. They’re trying to clamp on to you.
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01:58:17
Oh, they they come out of the woodwork, dog.
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01:58:19
Have you had people offer you a bunch of money?
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01:58:22
Not a bunch. But they’ll they’ll offer you a little for a lot, you know?
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01:58:27
A little for a lot. Yeah. They want your future. Right?
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01:58:29
Yeah. They’ll ai, I you know, here’s I mean, there are all sorts of folks in the in the early days coming through labels and stuff going here’s we’ll give you $10 for, like, 30 songs or something like that. And it’s like, this is insulting.
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01:58:46
Yeah.
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01:58:46
I don’t want any of this. I don’t want any I don’t need any of this.
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01:58:50
Oliver Anthony was going through that right after Meh from Richmond. Right. Richmond, North Of Richmond when the song came out. Like, they just came after him with all this money.
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01:58:59
All they will.
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01:59:00
All these ass all all these fucking promises. They will.
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01:59:03
All this money. They give you so much upfront and you don’t even it’s ai, if you don’t know, it’s just a big ass loan that you’re never gonna recoup. And then you’re Yeah. You’re not even you’re not living off your own dough at that point. You’re just living off of borrowed money like everybody else in The States.
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01:59:17
And you’re attached to them forever. Yeah. You’re attached to them forever.
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01:59:21
They just stay on your masters. You’ll never see it back. I mean, I I sai to a label when I was, like, 22. I’ve been through that all that crap.
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01:59:30
Old are you now?
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01:59:31
I’m 47.
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01:59:32
Are you really?
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01:59:32
You’re great. No. I’m gonna be 33 this year. But Yeah.
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01:59:36
I mean, Ai believed you. I was ai, man, kids living good. No.
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01:59:42
No. I’m just josting you.
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01:59:45
But, you know, this is a new time where you really can become hugely successful and get a gigantic following with no one attached to you. Yeah. Well, you don’t you don’t have to have all those people put they’re not gonna help you.
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01:59:59
No. They don’t. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Mhmm. Way too many people. One
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02:00:03
in the
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02:00:04
ai time.
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02:00:04
Eating at the dinner plate.
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02:00:05
And, dude, whenever any anybody gives you like, if label comes in let’s say Chris took let’s say he took the deal, you know, or or whatever. If Oliver Anthony took the big deal, then he’s got all these people up there in the office with tax write off Meh books telling him what to do with his music because they open their wallet.
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02:00:25
Yeah. And they’re gonna have to give you notes. Yeah. They’re entitled to give you their opinion at that point, and he wouldn’t be able to just do whatever the hell he wants to do. Yeah. You know?
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02:00:36
And I think it’s so important for artists to be able to do whatever the hell they wanna do because that’s the only way they can be themselves.
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02:00:41
Exactly.
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02:00:42
And then that’s the only way you can be successful is to completely be yourself at all ai, 100%. Nothing but yourself.
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02:00:48
And you see that one thing that does happen when people do take the money is that part goes away. Because even though you think you’re ai sort of being yourself, everybody knows you’re not totally you’re not totally being yourself anymore.
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02:01:02
And dough will change your life in a in a in a way that that you might not, like, be ready for or something. It’s gonna you’re gonna think, I got this dough. Now I can I can leave this town I don’t like, or I can get the house that I was wanting? When it was really, it was it was being in that town and kinda having things difficult pressures around you and stuff that was creating these diamonds that was putting you in this situation to make good art and stuff like that.
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02:01:31
Yeah. And you take away all your discomfort and then realize you can’t make art and you’re not happy. Mhmm. And and then you start getting nostalgic about the good old days when you were broke and shit like that. It’s just it’s better it’s it’s better to just take only what you need.
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02:01:51
Well, then there’s also the problem once you become successful of worrying about not being successful anymore, about maintaining it. That’s terrifying. Sure. I gotta keep this going. Like, I can’t I can’t fall off.
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02:02:04
But if you
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02:02:04
I can’t be less successful. I can’t I, yeah, I used to be poor, and now I’ve got money. Ai gotta make sure this doesn’t go away. It’s how you, like, temper your thoughts, and you you measure you’ll you’re measured in what you say.
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02:02:17
No. No. It’s it it your measure of success is, like, how much can I be myself and, and be happy be happy that way? If you can still be 100% yourself all the way to the end of the line, then that’s your success. Yeah. Like
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02:02:34
That’s but that’s a smart way of looking at things. Most people look at things in terms of, like, what is the way that’s the most profitable, you know, so they’ll avoid certain controversies.
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02:02:43
But we know that the
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02:02:44
like, we know even from talking about, like, people whose business whose art is money, it creates misery to be chasing the bank account, to constantly have the dough. You know? Like, you create a wake of you create bad art. Ai? Your album starts to suck. You might be getting in bigger, bigger places and stuff like that.
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02:03:07
But, yeah, it’s gonna it’s gonna fall off. And when it does, you know, then then then you have, like, some existential problems to deal with at that point.
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02:03:18
Well, there’s always the devil’s bargain. Right? There’s all that that fucking story is as old as time. That’s the Robert Johnson story. Right? Sai thought he sold his soul.
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02:03:29
Yeah. Yeah. Van Halen definitely sold his soul to the devil.
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02:03:32
You think so? No. Ai I don’t I look like Eddie Van Halen, dude. What? You look a little like Eddie Van Halen.
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02:03:40
I fucking love Eddie Van Halen.
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02:03:41
Yeah. He’s the man.
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02:03:42
Oh my god.
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02:03:43
He was the man.
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02:03:43
He’s the Robert Johnson of the of the late seventies. Him and Angus Young sold his soul.
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02:03:48
Isn’t it funny, though, that that story was, like, always around the story of selling your soul for success? Yeah. It’s an interesting It’s metaphor.
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02:03:59
It doesn’t but it doesn’t make any sense as far as, like, Robert John. He’s like, he sold his soul, I guess, so he could play and then not be successful in his lifetime and die poor. Yeah. And then we would all find him later and enjoy it.
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02:04:11
I think the thought was that he was so much better than everybody else. There’s no way he could have gone that far ahead without some help.
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02:04:20
Right. He’s spooky good. Yeah. He’s spooky good. He’s working in the future.
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02:04:23
But that’s always there’s always guys like that, like Hendrix. Yes. If anybody sold their soul, it’s Hendrix. Yeah. Not that I think he did, but it’s like when that guy came around, everybody was like, what the fuck is going on?
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02:04:34
Ai, that’s generation, there’s a player, man.
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02:04:36
Yep. And
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02:04:37
it I mean, maybe you could trace the line. Johnson, Hendrix, that’s skipping a few. Mhmm. But to Hendrix, A Van Saloni, and then you’ve got, like, Steve Vai Mhmm. And Joe Satriani and, ai, these Steve
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02:04:49
Ray Vaughan.
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02:04:49
These virtuosos. Stevie Ray Vaughan, so important to Texas too, Stevie.
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02:04:56
Joe Satriani on stage, at our club. Because, you know, I own this place that used to be a theater that he performed at.
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02:05:04
Okay.
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02:05:04
And there’s a photo of him on stage in 1983. So as you’re walking to the stage, there’s a photo of Stevie Ray Vaughan on stage in the back.
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02:05:13
He’s so cool. I don’t know if you’ve seen, like, him at, like, Austin City Limits slinging his guitar behind his back, a backdrop
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02:05:18
Oh, he’s the coolest.
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02:05:19
Playing with his teeth. He’s got all his scarves and stuff.
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02:05:21
I almost got to, drive him once when I was driving limos, but he wouldn’t take limos. What did you want? I drove Jeff Beck. He wouldn’t take limos. Jeff Beck.
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02:05:29
What did he wanna do?
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02:05:30
He he only took cabs. Okay.
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02:05:32
They’d
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02:05:32
get him a limo. He’s ai, I’m getting in a cab. Okay. He’d hop in a cab and talk to the cab driver. He didn’t wanna be mister fancy Yeah. In a fucking limo. Yeah. Isn’t that cool?
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02:05:42
Sai of the earth, dude.
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02:05:42
I was pissed, though. I was like, fuck. Yeah. Ai almost got to drive Steve Ram Vaughan.
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02:05:49
That is ai of those one of those talents every generation is.
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02:05:52
But it also shows you how dumb limo drivers arya, like, the the companies. Like, you let a fucking psycho like me, a twenty one year old maniac, drive one of the greatest guitars of all time. Like, I was a bad driver. Like, I was a reckless kid. Like, all of a sudden, I had this job driving limos because I wore a suit. Like, you’re gonna trust meh?
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02:06:12
Well, I
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02:06:13
With Stevie Ray Vaughan?
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02:06:13
I mean, safer than the helicopter ai and stuff.
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02:06:18
In the end, yes. No. I’m just kidding. I mean, I was a good driver when I was driving ai. But it’s kinda crazy. Thank you. But it is kinda crazy that they let a 21 year old meh just at at the helm of a car with one of the greatest musicians of all time No. It’s ai the backseat.
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02:06:32
It’s always it’s fun to think back on shah. Ai, when I was when I was 18, I I I did a radio program for KDYN Real Country Radio every Saturday morning. It was called Dial a Deal, where people call in. It’s basically ai an on air Craigslist. You know? But I was alone at the station after football games.
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02:06:53
You know, football game would be, like, Friday night, go to bed all beat up, wake up at, like, 5AM, go into the station, record the obituaries real quick because those are gonna run on on Saturday, and then and then do, like, a, you know, an on air Craigslist radio program, and you’re just, like, 17 years old with the entire radio station to yourself.
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02:07:16
You know? Wow.
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02:07:17
And and I was I was a total dumbass too.
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02:07:19
I could have been like, anyway, here’s Ram Funk Railroad. You know? But
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02:07:24
Did you have a specific list of things that you’re supposed to play?
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02:07:27
The list was, like, programmed in, and then you had to record weather. So you would pull up the National Weather Service on the on the screen, and then you would record yourself doing the weather saying, you know, when’s it gonna be southeast, south southeast, northwest out in 15 miles an hour or whatever.
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02:07:45
You do the obituaries. But, no. You didn’t actually DJ. It was just ai you would hit the space ram, music would start playing, be like, okay, folks. If you can’t tell by the music, I’ll go ahead and tell you myself it’s time for dial a deal.
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02:07:59
Remember, our numbers up here are 667-4567 or toll free at 888325 That’s 88888325 Remember, no commercial real estate advertisement. Please limit your calls to once per program. And keep in mind, I can’t always keep track of these numbers up here myself. So if you remember them on your end, you’re doing me and you a favor.
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02:08:19
Let’s get back to the dialing and the dealing. And then people would call in, and they’d be like, I’m looking for my dog. And I’d be like, somebody find that dog. And then, you know, list off their number.
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02:08:32
Or, Did you ever play any of your songs?
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02:08:36
No. No. It was a classic country radio station. So I’m up there listening to, like, Willie, Saloni, Hank senior, Hank junior. And then they also they were playing they were playing, like, some like, I remember Brad Paisley was being played on air, and he just shredded. But no. I couldn’t.
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02:08:54
I couldn’t. I was in a grunge band at the time. I I couldn’t play.
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02:08:57
Wait. Really?
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02:08:58
Yeah. I think that yeah. The I couldn’t put once I printed out this track listing, for the record that I had made, I would I would make CD records and sell them at school, like, $5 a buck. I made more money selling records in high school than I ever did as an adult, but you’d I’d printed out all the song list.
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02:09:19
Anyway, the album was called Meh, I’m Gay. And all the, I left a bunch of them, like, at the radio station. I remember the guy who was running it. He came to me, and he was like, did did you print these out? Are these yours? And it’s just kinda awkward after that.
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02:09:36
But a small town in Arkansas that not far out.
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02:09:41
That’s funny.
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02:09:43
But, you know, folks folks will let a let a a young person do all kinds of stuff. I guess they see an aptitude in you. They trust you, so they let you drive a limo.
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02:09:57
You know? Ai think they just needed a job they needed someone to do the job. It’s that simple. And most people would only temporarily keep that job, and they would leave.
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02:10:06
Right. Right. High turnover.
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02:10:08
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:10:09
There’s high turnover at the radio station because we weren’t making any dough. Right. You know?
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02:10:14
The day
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02:10:14
What year was this?
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02:10:15
This was in 1927. The No. 02/2010. ai.
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02:10:24
A lot of radio when I was, young and doing the road. So I do, like, morning radio shows in the middle of nowhere. Yeah.
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02:10:31
And it
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02:10:32
was the only way to promote things. Like, say, if you’re gonna do some gig in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, like, you get on local radio, you tell everybody ai time radio, so you’re on the air. It’s ai 06:30 in the morning Yeah. And let everybody know you’re gone. Their radio was a weird thing, meh, because it was like a local connection and all that stuff is kinda gone now. Mhmm.
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02:10:53
You know, local connection used to be fun. It’s it was there was something about listening to the local radio in the morning when you’re on your way to work. It was kinda cool.
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02:11:02
It was great.
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02:11:02
And you knew that all most of your friends were listening to. Right. You know?
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02:11:07
They had a program called, like I I forget what it was, but on every morning, they would go through the sponsors of the radio station, which were all local businesses, and they would say, here’s a cup of coffee for Burns Drug. And it was just like a call out to Burns Drug, Burns arya or whatever, and then you’d hear the sound of a coffee cup. The obituaries ran.
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02:11:30
You’d listen to them. You’d be like, oh, Janine died. Damn it. We ai to go to the memorial. They would tell what the hillbillies, like, the mascot was the hillbillies and, like, how high school football was doing and stuff like that.
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02:11:44
I wonder if anybody’s creating that in podcasts. I wonder wonder if there’s any good local podcasts that are just about the community that you could, like, tune into every day. Like, here’s the news. You know?
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02:11:57
I might have to start one.
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02:11:59
Why not?
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02:11:59
This local. Why not? Anonymous and local.
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02:12:02
Yeah. Just don’t even say it’s you. Make up another name. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:12:06
This is Bob Butt.
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02:12:08
And people go,
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02:12:10
I know who that is. No. You don’t.
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02:12:11
I heard that dude.
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02:12:12
I’m not who he
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02:12:14
You’re gonna do a different voice?
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02:12:15
I know you, but you don’t know me.
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02:12:19
Are you gonna change your voice?
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02:12:22
You should do that. No. I ai Do the local news. I got one.
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02:12:24
It’s one of those things like an FBI informant. We went into the house at 04:30 in the morning. Oh, yeah. You know? Yeah. You know what I mean?
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02:12:32
Those are When
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02:12:32
you have those people on TV with their face blacked out?
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02:12:36
Those ai
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02:12:37
Are you sure that the government was involved? 100%. They had to know. The information came down from the top.
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02:12:44
Show their face.
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02:12:45
Yeah. Show their face. They could be gonna get them killed. Oh, man. How many do do you do a lot of live gigs? Yeah. How many live gigs do you do? Do you do, like, in in a week? Do you do a bunch? Like, how do you do it? No.
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02:13:01
I just scheduled tours. Sai, like, tomorrow, I’ll I’ll announce a tour, and I think it’s, like, 20 dates. And then I’ll go out for two months and and play. You know?
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02:13:16
You just play solo? Do you bring solo?
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02:13:18
I bring a band.
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02:13:19
Oh, that’s cool.
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02:13:19
A whole band. And then right now, I’ve just been in festival saloni. So I just played the Newport Folk Fest. Shout, Newport.
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02:13:27
Do you do any of these songs ai UnitedHealth? Oh, yeah. You do all of them? Yeah. Nice.
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02:13:32
I got because I I’m just always putting out albums. Ai, yeah, ai, on Friday, I’ll put on another record too.
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02:13:38
How many albums do you have so far?
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02:13:40
Like, five or sai know, Ai wrote, like, a 100 songs in 24 and just, like, put them all out. And that’s what’s great about being indie is, like, you can just you just put out music as soon as you make it. Right. And so, so there’s but there’s a lot of tunes to choose from. Right?
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02:14:01
Usually, you know, on the set, I’ll play a lot of these, a lot of these topical ones and then bring the band up, and then we’ll play the other records that I got. But, no, I was just at new new Newport, and then we did Edmonton Folk Fest. And, here in a little bit, I’ll do Farm Aid and Healing Appalachia.
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02:14:23
Farm Aid was, like, last year around this time, John Cougar Mellencamp sent me an email and was like, Jesse, I would like you to play at Farm Aid. But it was from a weird email address, and I didn’t believe it was him. But it it was totally him just, like, emailing through his, like, girlfriend’s email or
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02:14:44
something. Hilarious.
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02:14:45
And so I, like, I showed it to, to one of the like, one of my friends he meh has managed. And he’s like, I’ll I’ll vet this out. We’ll see if this is legit. And sure enough, it was. Anyway, go down to Farm Aid, and that’s, like, one of the first gigs that I play as this iteration of myself.
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02:15:08
Ai got to, you know, got to meet a lot of cool people and and get to be friends with with a lot of them too. Lucas Nelson is is very cool to meet him last year, and now I think we’ll be doing a tune together here before too long. But
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02:15:24
Nice.
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02:15:26
Him, I got to meet Charlie over there at Farm Aid. David Charlie. Charlie Crockett.
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02:15:32
Oh, Charlie’s awesome. He’s super I really enjoyed talking to him.
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02:15:35
Yeah. He’s great.
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02:15:36
He was a great guest. What a Yeah. Wildlife that guy’s lived. Yeah. That’s ai that comes out in his music. There’s something about, like, hard living, like, living an authentically difficult life that, like, you hear it in the way they sing.
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02:15:51
Yeah.
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02:15:52
You hear it. It’s real. Yeah. You know, like, there’s, like, an intangible element to certain songs, you know? Sound be. Yeah. Yeah. Well, AI is not gonna fix that. They’re not gonna you know what I mean? Like, AI is not gonna overcome that.
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02:16:08
No. I don’t know.
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02:16:09
That’s the maybe the only thing that AI is not gonna overcome.
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02:16:12
I would be worried. I I don’t understand why musicians
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02:16:16
are You know, they’re they’re making like, let me I’m gonna send you something, Jamie. I don’t know if you’ve seen this where they made a female indie, like, emo, whatever it would be, band lady. And it’s really fucking good. Yeah. Like, you listen to it, and you’re like, holy shit. I sent it to, Patrick, from, the Black Keys, Patrick. Right. Patrick Carney.
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And, and he was his answer was ai, pop music is Ai, has been for a while. Good thing I suck at drums and make it human. Yeah. I’m gonna send this to Jamie, because you you you hear it and you’re ai, oh, my God. This could be a fucking giant hit.
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And the crazy thing is that AI makes this in seconds. Right. I mean, in literal seconds, like, you watch this guy put in the prompts, You watch it make this song, and then you listen to the song, and you’re ai Right. Oh meh god. And it’s better than most of these songs. Like, listen to this.
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Create a square avatar of a fictitious female alternative slash indie singer and a name for her.
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Wow. Sadie Winters.
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Sadie Winters. Okay. Song is about walking away from someone who never really saw her worth. She’s just gonna create the song lyrics.
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Look at that. Wait. How many seconds was that?
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That sai, like, about four seconds.
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Look at that. That’s got a bridge.
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Did you even read any of these? Or you don’t care.
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I don’t care. Put my lyrics in.
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The lyrics that happened in four seconds.
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Yes. And then hit create. Let’s listen.
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This is the world premiere. She’s a good singer.
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Good singer.
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Oh, that’s nice. Pretty good.
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Where are we, Rick? Where have we found ourselves? How How crazy is that?
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I mean, it’s Ai meh, it’s
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Look at that. Jewel even says Jewel goes wild. It’s a great melody.
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Yeah. Listen. Ours everything that can be replaced will be replaced. Okay? Right. And pop music was already AI. Patrick has a a great point.
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Yeah. I
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don’t I don’t think I don’t think artists if you what you’re making, I don’t think you got nothing to worry about.
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Well, it’s not a worry. It’s I mean, for some people, I’m sort of worried, but it also is just a concern that there’s a new element of ai. That there’s creativity is being replaced in in at least a form ai in front of our eyes. Like, we’re regardless of what you think about pop music, there there are some people that are making pop music in a as a creative endeavor, and that just did it way better than they do and did it ai like that.
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They’ll have to find
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something else to do.
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They’ll have
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to find something else to do.
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Don’t take a listen to something else in JCPenney.
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Talk. Who still goes to JCPenney? Ai mean, are they still around? Is there a JCPenney? Yeah. At where you are?
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I go JCPenney.
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I’m not knocking it. I’d go if I needed something.
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I Ai don’t I’m saying
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I haven’t seen one in a long time. They’re they’re You know, I see Arya everywhere. I don’t see JCPenney.
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I was just saying, the music like that always yeah. I feel like I’m in a yeah. I feel like I’m in an academy or or
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Ai?
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You’re buying sneakers somewhere.
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I just need something to go in the background, some nonconfrontational music to Yeah.
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Carry you through. But what you sai, I think is right, that if you can be replaced, you will be replaced. Yeah. All things that can be replaced will be replaced.
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It’s how it has always been as long as man has been around. Everything that can be replaced will be replaced, but there are things that are
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irreplaceable. Right. Yeah. I mean, that’s kind of in every every new iteration of technology, we’re seeing things get replaced. Right? Right. Like, when I was a bit a kid, VHS was the newest technology. Like, oh my god. You could watch a movie at home.
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Yeah.
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No one ever thought Blockbuster was ever gonna go away. Of course, there’s always gonna be a Blockbuster. Right. Every Friday night, everybody goes to Blockbuster to find a movie to watch. Gone. Yeah. Doesn’t exist anymore. Gone like that. Like, real quick. Streaming, Internet speeds pick up.
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It’s over.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, remember record sales? Oh, my goodness. They would make millions and millions and millions just from selling records. Now, it all went away. Napster came saloni, and some people freaked out. And, you know, some people lost a lot of fans because they freaked out too, like, try to stop the tide of inevitability.
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Ai he didn’t didn’t Hetfield and I mean, Metallica was eventually kinda right about what they said about Napster. Right? Oh, they knew. Yeah. They knew what was Well,
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they knew it was going away.
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Yeah. It
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was all going away. I mean, everybody kind of understood that this is if you’re logical and objective, you could you could pretend, like, oh, don’t worry. We’re gonna be fine. But if you’re logical and objective, you go, oh, this is just the first bullet that landed Right. In this never ending war
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Right.
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With with digital information. Like, you’re you’re not gonna be able to prevent this from happening.
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Yeah. I think the record companies have figured out how to make money off of streaming and to make sure that the artist probably doesn’t get all that much of it.
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Well, this is the beautiful thing about being independent. If you’re independent, you can make money off of streaming. And if you’re independent, you had all of your touring revenue, which is really where it’s at. You had all of it.
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Meh. Make enough to pay for another door.
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Well, this is what’s well, it depends on how successful you are. But this is what’s really crazy about some of the deals that some of these artists are signing where the label gets a giant percentage of their touring money, which didn’t used to be the case. It used to be ai an artist’s They
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wanna find a way to pull it in somehow. They’re not selling the records.
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Exactly. They get a piece of merch. They get a piece of this. They get a piece of everything. They just own you. Yeah. And what value do they provide other than you getting the security of saying, I’m on Warner Brothers?
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Just standing in the way every time you try to put out an album, they go, I don’t hear a hit here. It’s like, well, because there are none. Okay? Wait for the next record. It’s out in two months. You know? But they wanna make as as much as they possibly can off of one record, and the one meh it puts an immense amount of pressure on an artist without without developing the artist at all.
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It’s what what’s on our side? It’s the music industry is a shallow money trench where good men die like dogs. You know? The it’s a racket.
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But don’t you think that now less of it? Because there are people like you out there. There’s quote you know, Tyler, the creator. Didn’t he make most of his everything was just created by himself online?
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Right? That’s I don’t know.
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Isn’t that the case? You don’t know?
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I don’t
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know. You don’t know? But you
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That’s too
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hard. That’s too hard. I don’t know. Who knows?
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Was it a weird one?
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Ai I him specifically, I don’t know. But I would say Folks. That’s the story that’s being told.
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Okay. But some people have done it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Oliver Anthony for sure did it. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s, you know, it’s a new pathway. If you have something that really resonates, like your United Health song or any of your songs, like, that’s all you need, you know. And then Yeah.
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That one thing could change everything, and then people listen.
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Mhmm. Totally. Yeah.
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And the fact that you’re able to do it completely independently, you’re able to have, like, a truly authentic voice. Like, it’s like, when you sing about who’s the guy that created it that that that doesn’t give a fuck? What’s his name? Richard t Burke. Yeah. Richard t Burke.
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That you could sing about Richard t Burke, don’t doesn’t give a fuck. Like, it’s no one’s in your ear. Nobody’s telling you to be careful.
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No one. Yeah. Yeah. No one’s
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Sai, like, I’m hearing. I’m like, yeah. You know, it it people know. They know when something is authentic. It’s real weird. They’re fucking the way people tune into a song, it’s there’s something going on with songs. You know, it’s it’s not just, like, a bunch of music and a bunch of lyrics. Like, it changes the way you feel.
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Yeah.
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It’s a drug.
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Yeah. It’s
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a weird like, a good song is ai a good drug.
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Yeah, dude. Have you heard Freebird? Oh, fuck yeah. Dude.
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I’ve heard that song about a thousand more than a thousand times. Yeah. A 100,000 times maybe even.
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Yeah. If you don’t think music’s a joke listen to Freebird. Listen to
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Listen to that fucking guitar solo thing.
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Run them with the devil.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A whole lot of love.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s fired up.
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There’s songs there’s songs that change the way you feel that if that was a drug, that would be a very valuable drug. Yeah. You know?
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They’re little little mood capsules, man. Yeah. I wanna feel melancholy. Here’s Yesterday by Ai Beatles. Right. Right.
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Right. Yesterday. Yeah. There’s a bunch of songs like Captain Jack.
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You know? The Captain Jack. Captain Jack will
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get you high tonight.
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Oh, I was thinking that Captain
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Jack is
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fantastic No. Elton John.
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Captain Jack is one of Billy Joel’s greatest songs. It’s a great fucking song. This guy living on Long Island. It’s great. It’s a great song. Ai, like, you listen to it, you’re ai, goddamn, he nailed it. He fucking nailed it.
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He’s one of the greats, man.
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Dude, Ai really appreciate you coming in, and I really love what you’re doing.
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Thanks for having me.
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Ai just wanted to wanna have you in here, shoot the shit with you, see what your process was and how you think about things. And Yeah. I really enjoyed it.
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Thanks for having me, Joe.
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My pleasure. Tell everybody what’s the best place to find you and find your stuff.
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I’m I you know, I’m online. So go you know, get online.
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Do you have a what is your Instagram?
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Wells music. Wells music.
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There it is. W e l l e s. Yeah. So it’s wellsmusic.com. Tour dates are all there. Yeah. Go out and see them. Support. Dude, continued success, and best of luck to you.
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Ai really
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I really enjoy what you’re doing.
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Thanks very much.
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My pleasure, brother. Alright. Goodbye, everybody ai.