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Graham Linehan is the writer, or co-writer, of several situation comedies, including “Father Ted,” “Black Books,” and “The IT Crowd.” He is also a vocal figure in the ongoing public discourse regarding gender identity. https://grahamlinehan.substack.comhttps://www.youtube.com/c/grahamlinehan
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Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well,
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so you tell me about the scar you got on your forehead recently.
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Yeah. I, I got into a bar fight with some some guys were insulting a woman.
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Yeah. It takes care of business.
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Right? Ai of a bit of business. No. I I fell off a scooter. I fell off a scooter. I was riding around Scottsdale, feeling great and free because I’d never ridden a scooter before because I always thought that we call them scooter nonces in in The UK. And and because there was no one around to see me, I just thought, oh, this is great. I could do this all the time.
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But it just immediately fell flat in my face, but
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Did you hit something or did
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No. I saw I saw what looked like a ram. But it was a single step down. So I went flying through the air, and I remember when I landed, there was a weird moment when I landed where I thought, oh, that wasn’t so bad. I didn’t I didn’t screw myself up too badly. But then there was a second crunch, and I remember thinking, oh,
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I’m dead. What was the second crunch?
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I don’t know. Some somehow I fell and it went Double.
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So you double fell. Oh.
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Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I kind of like it because it makes me it it makes me look how I feel internally. You know? Busted up and changed? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s been So would
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it break your nose?
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No. Oh, ai did break my nose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, but, you know, it’s one of those things. Again, as I sai, I quite like it. I think it gives me some courage. It
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doesn’t mess you up. Yeah. You’re fine. Yeah. You know it’s just a thing.
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And I might stick with the story about the bar, you know.
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I think you already gave up the goods. The problem with a story like that is I’m always like is that better to get the fuck beaten out of you ai guys? Like maybe it’s better to fall down.
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It’s different if you’re a fighter. Sai would imagine you wouldn’t be too happy about it.
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Yeah. You’d be very upset that I got my ass kicked.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Although that’s happened many times.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. The broken nose is a problem. Did you get your septum fixed to make sure that it’s not all clogged up? I didn’t.
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I didn’t. Ai know. Yeah. I’ll get them now.
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That is the one that I tell fighters whenever they ai, I’m like, please get your nose fixed. It’ll change the quality of your life so much. Okay.
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Okay.
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Because if you ai can’t breathe out of your nose, you’re you’re missing out on a large percentage of cardio. Right. And not just cardio, like, for athletics, but just everyday life. Well, you’re not breathing out of your nose. You’re not getting enough oxygen. Sure. Like you’re probably oxygen depleted and then you become one of them mouth open dudes.
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You did a you did a whole interview with a guy who who who does that, doesn’t he? He he he kind of teaches himself to only
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bring through James Nestor. Yeah. Yes. Yes. He’s got a great book called Breathe. For anybody who’s fascinated by breathing techniques and how much it can help you, you can do a lot with breathing. It’s just a thing that no one does because it’s ai, oh, I’ll look into that and then you put it off and it never happens.
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Absolutely and I gotta be careful because that’s how old age gets you. It doesn’t get you in one go. You don’t suddenly become this bent old man. It it it picks away at you. Things like falling off scooters and and you know what I meh? Not getting it fixed. Things like that or what pick away at you. Yeah.
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Yeah. You gotta be you gotta be ahead of it. Yeah. You gotta be vigilant. Yeah. Yeah. Stay off the heroin too. I hear that’s bad for you. Obviously, you get old. You don’t see sai whole lot of old heroin addicts.
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No. There’s a there’s a punk poet in The UK named, John Cooper Clark who is a bit of a genius and, he was taking it recreationally for years. And he only gave it up because he said so many people were worried about me. I just couldn’t I couldn’t deal with it. They were just worried about me.
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But he was one of these ai, I guess like Burrows, William Burrows, that he was able to just, you know, implement meh in his ai. But Well,
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I worked with well, I worked out with a guy who was a longshoreman, and, he had this guy that he worked with that would shoot heroin at lunch every day.
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Wow.
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And he was fine. He worked fine on the job. He was totally functional. He would take his hour lunch break. He would go sit in his truck. He’d get a bag from some ai, and then he’d sit in his truck and shoot up. Wow. Yeah. Ai, real heroin. Like, shooting heroin.
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What was his job?
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He was a longshoreman.
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Oh, right. Wow.
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So he worked on the docks.
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Holy cow. You’d think you’d have to have your wits about you.
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Well, some of those longs, they did different jobs. Like, my buddy was a fish fillet for a long time. So what would happen is you would get these huge trucks filled with fish, and they would just fillet fish all day long. And he was a boxing trainer, and so he would rub, like, Vaseline on your face before you sparred.
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You just meh fish because he was just he just smelled like fish all the time. Meh couldn’t get it off of him.
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Yeah. Yeah. It was just
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a part of his odor Yeah. Forever.
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Right. Right.
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I mean, he cut like thousands of fish a day probably.
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That’s like the old dye pits Ai read in Toronto in, the job that you didn’t want was to work in the dye pits because guys what they’d have to do is they’d have to get into these like human sized pits filled with dye and wrestle the dye into material. I’m not sure which material it was.
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Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah. So your whole body be covered in ai?
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You would look like a kind like the blue man group you know except from the neck down you know and and you would always smell of it and and when and when you took a shower Ai read this in a brilliant book called The Skin of a Lion by Michael Ondaatje.
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So it never comes on?
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No it does it what they do is they come in a shower and then in one piece, the whole paint just falls on the ground like a skin, but they never got rid of the smell, you know. And probably
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the inside of your bathroom looks like shit
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forever. Yeah.
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It’s ai dripping
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No. That all happens at work.
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That all happens at work. Oh, they do in the shower?
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Yeah. This is in the old days, you know, way way How must that be for you? I know. Yeah. Yeah.
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Your your skin is an organ. Yeah. So you’re you’re making your or your organ doused in a chemical all day long.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, these are the jobs we used to have, you know? Like, what’s that thing they sai? Hard times make
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Hard people. Yeah. Yeah. Hard people make soft times. And then
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and we’re certainly in the soft times now.
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But yeah. We’re in soft times make hard people.
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Oh, there we go.
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Or make hard times rather. Soft people make hard times. So this is these folks working in it. Yeah.
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But this would be the new version. I think in the old days in Toronto anyway, they used to get into the pits. God. You know? So yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, man. There’s jobs out there that fucking suck. I was watching this video today where this young lady was complaining about her job and that it just consumes her entire life and she doesn’t sana do it anymore. And then, like, people were complaining in the comments that she’s lazy. I’m like, no. Like, she hates her job. It’s entirely reasonable.
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It’s a little kinda crazy that everybody wants to declare to the whole world what their personal issues are about their op I mean, social media has made it very weird vatsal all these people just get attention for something that you essentially used to just talk about with friends.
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Yeah. Absolutely. And that’s part of the problem, isn’t it? I mean Yeah. I mean, every time we we make these statements, we make it to a public, so everything becomes political. Yes. You know? And and suddenly everyone’s, you know, moaning at you because you
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say you hate your job. It’s such a weird Such a weird time. Time.
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And and this is one of my things. It’s one of the things I’m obsessed about. By the way, we better tell people I don’t know. Yeah.
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Graham, you have a well, I found out about you from our talent coordinator at the mothership, who’s my good friend, Adam Eget, who loves you to death. And he loves your work, and he loves the shows you’ve created. He’s a huge huge fan. Mhmm. So this was, all because of Adam.
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This all came about because of Adam.
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Sure.
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And, then I heard the story and I was like, oh, my God, they did that ai guy dirty. They did him so dirty. And it was one of exam why don’t you tell the story of how it went down, so everybody could kinda get it from your words, which which I’m sure would be better than me Okay.
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Ai it up.
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I’m I’m not really good. I’ve never been good. I speak the last, you know, most of my life. I’m fifty fifty seven now, and I spent most of my life forming a sort of a sort of what’s the word? You know, what’s that word? Self deprecating, humorous personality. So I would come out and I would make fun of myself.
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I can’t do that anymore because my situation is so bizarre that anything I say that’s self deprecating will just get reported as truth and all sorts of things. You can’t make jokes in my situation, you know? It’s so weird.
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So let’s explain your situation how it started.
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Well well, I was a comedy writer. I started writing journalism in in Ireland when I was very young, about 19 years old. And I, was hanging around with some funny people. We were writing sketches and stuff like that. So I went over to UK and I got in I Ai I was just very, we we sent our sketches to producers and we just we worked very hard to to get on TV.
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That succeeded. And then I kept having early success. I had a sitcom called Father Meh, which was about some Irish priests who were so bad that they’d been banished to a tiny island in the middle of nowhere. That was a huge success, probably my biggest success. Then I went on to a sitcom, IT Crowd, Black Books was a big one over here.
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But all of them Ai co wrote or wrote on my own.
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And people have to understand that speak for people that are fan of English comedy, like, your shows were legendary. These are amazing shows.
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Thank you. That’s really kind of you to say. Yeah. They’re really big. They’re big over there. You know? I mean, some of them some of them travel over here. Blackbooks did very well over here. Ai crowd, I think, is probably the second most
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known one. I think we’re suffering a bit from content fatigue.
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Absolutely.
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It’s there’s almost too much to choose from.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. There’s no real reason to I mean, you know, the only reason I would say to watch them is is, you know, some of them are some of them will really really hit the target, you know?
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Yes. Some of them are great. Watch them because they’re great, but I’m just saying that the problem with anybody finding out about a new show Yeah. Today they’re like, oh, jeez. Another one I have to pay attention to? How?
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Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that’s gotta burst soon. I think we’re I mean, AI means the whole who who knows what the landscape will be like next year, you know? It’s weird. Yeah. It’s really
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weird. I watched an amazing video that someone put out today of, a small film that they made just with prompts, and it was some, cyberpunk thing. Oh,
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yeah. Yeah. Do you see that? I know. It’s it’s insane.
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It is the next level. It’s sai good. It’s ai I’d watch that movie.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, and they just made it in a few moments with prompts. Yeah. Like it’s over.
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Yeah. Except, I meh, the the interesting thing though is I think I better get back to my story because I because Oh,
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we’ll we’ll get to it. Don’t worry. That’s how we do things.
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But the interesting thing is that, I think personally there might be a revolution in those kind of smaller films that just need a few people. You know, what’s a good example? Steven Soderbergh’s early movies, Tarantino with the with Reservoir Dogs.
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Right.
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You might find people actually returning to human beings and because I don’t know. I mean, maybe ai I’m sure it will change but at the moment there’s a real uncanny valley feeling from all of these AI videos.
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Well, this one has an uncanny valley for sure. See if you can find it, Jamie. Ai, somebody released it on x. It is I forget which engine use it they used.
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It’s extreme. You
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know, there’s a battle with all these engines. You know? Yeah.
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Ai know.
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Who’s got the best?
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I’m waiting it out, you know? I meh, Sai mean, it’s just ai ai, I just tell me what tools I can use to tell stories, and then I’ll do them. I I’m Well, people
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are this is it. Go full screen on this. Give me some volume. This is so wild. Like, that that woman looks incredibly lifelike. But a little weird right there with the hair. Meh. Yeah.
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If I play
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the music, it’s gonna get us flagged. Okay. We don’t need to play the music. The music is not that good anyway. It doesn’t mean anything.
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And there’s things with the lighting and stuff that don’t really make sense. But that’s vatsal I’m being stupid. I’m being picky. You know? No.
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No. No. No. You’re not being picky. It’s ai we’re being accurate. Like, if you were an expert and you were assessing whether or not this was real, I’d say right there, definitely not real. This is not real. This is artificially generated. But that could also be a style. Right?
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Like, if you think about Robert Rodriguez when he did Sin City
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Yeah. There’s a
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lot of that that didn’t look real.
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You know?
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That’s right. Ai. Like, you could get weird with filming just to make the experience, you know, more bizarre because you’re in this crazy sci fi thing. You could kinda make it look a little fake and it would be dope.
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I think also when you think of what AI is gonna do to voice ai, like, if you look at a game like Grand Theft Auto, now you’re gonna be able to have generative dialogue from from the characters, you know? It’s insane.
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Well, you’re also gonna have porn where you have any woman that you want, that you desire in your life, Like, you could take photos of someone that you know Mhmm. And turn them into someone who’s, like, is so attracted to you and just can’t wait to have sex with you. Like, POV porn from your neighbor.
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Yeah. Yeah. You
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know what I’m saying?
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I know. And it’s like it’s like we’re there. We’re we’re getting there. We’re about to head into that. I ai, do you’ve read Jonathan Haidt’s
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Yes.
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Book about, I can’t remember which one it was. Oh, Cuddling of
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Fear. Cuddling.
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Yeah. Like 2007 was when depression in teenage girls went.
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Yep. Self harm, depression, suicidal ideology, actual suicide went up. All of it went up in this comparison culture.
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Yeah. But also the iPhone. Yes. It was the iPhone that sana.
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But that’s what the comparison culture comes ram. Ai mean that’s the real comparison culture because they’re comparing themselves to the Kardashians and people with massive amounts of plastic surgery and filters.
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But now I saw a guy yesterday who said we’re about to enter a 2,007 moment. In other words the invention of the iPhone we’re about to have another big change and and and we haven’t even spoken about the last one. I ai, that’s part of my my thing. Let me let me go back into go back into the story.
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But basically, I was like a a a very successful comedy ai, probably about as successful as a non on screen comedy writer can get in The UK. I won something like six BAFTAs, I think, in the end, five or six BAFTAs. I’m not being stupid. I just genuinely can’t remember. And one of them, they didn’t give me the plaque for. I must tell you that at some point.
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But, like, but I won them, got a standing ovation at the comedy awards, and then the moment I started talking about women’s rights, they took everything, absolutely everything away from me. All my
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So that’s your this is your version of it? Yes. That woman’s ai.
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Yes.
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And this is a version this is why it gets real weird. You know, because as soon as you say there are some men that are gonna use this, as soon as you say there are some men who we’ve known forever have been sexual deviance and perverts and psychotic creeps. Yeah. And you’re giving them an out. Yeah. Instantaneously, you’re letting them wear dresses, and now they can’t be touched. That is a crazy thing to do. Yeah.
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And that doesn’t deny the existence of trans people or in any way be transphobic. It’s not saying that a person can’t choose to be whoever the fuck they essentially feel they are, their true self.
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Yeah. Well,
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I don’t know how you feel. Yeah.
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I’m not
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I don’t wanna restrict you. But as soon as you start allowing men in dresses to get into women’s spaces and you frame it that way, you say this is about women’s rights, then it’s chaos. Yeah. Then there’s no rational conversation when it should be totally rational.
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Yeah.
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With those factors, knowing that some men are creeps, knowing that women are more vulnerable, and you’re gonna allow these potential creeps to have carte blanche and just go into the women’s spaces, like, meh, that is an that you the screaming at me and the calling me a Nazi
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makes me think I’m over the target. Well, you know, I think I could be wrong here. This is a theory. You you obviously know more about it than meh, but, like, I think that when they tried to get you for COVID, I actually think that that was sort of left over from you interviewing Meh Murphy and Abigail Ai.
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I think they really hated that you were giving them a platform because when you think of it, no one else did. No one else did. If you look back at Meh Murphy and Abigail Ai appearances and Abigail Shrier wrote the most important book about transitioning the transitioning of young women irreversible damage and she’s had a terrible time as well.
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She has had a terrible ai. Yeah. And and unfairly because it’s a real issue. But this is the thing about a real issue. When real issues come up, the when there’s a real, like, ideological debate going on, like, hey, what is actually really going on? That’s when things get the most hostile.
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Because when you can’t really defend your position logically, then you start using pejoritas and turning everyone into Nazis and everyone into fascists, and you start really fucking the argument up in a way that, like, if you’re a normal person, I’m talking to you. Well, I’m gonna choose to not talk to you anymore because you’re not rational. I don’t like talking to Mike. He goes crazy and calls me a Sai. Yeah.
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Every time we disagree with something that is logically something that you should be debating, Whether or not children have the ability to make these decisions at an early age and whether or not there’s some kind of social contagion going on. Yeah. That’s what Abigail brought up and I think that’s super accurate.
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Yeah. And Ai meh like, you know, this I don’t want to go too strong too early but let me take an example. Right? The word trans people. I see I see people using it all the time as if it has as if it is a stable category. And it’s not. It’s not a stable category at all. It you know, when most people hear the word trans people, they think transsexuals.
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But the number according to, I think, a 2016 study, the number of men who identify as trans and aren’t having any surgery at all is something like ninety percent. Right? So you have a whole whole group of people out there who are transvestites. Okay? To give them the actual word that that that refers to their condition.
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Or used to forever. Yes. Until it became a pejorative.
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Well then it it just disappeared. It was it’s all the transvestites just disappeared.
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I think it’s offensive now. I don’t think they like it.
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They don’t like it because they know that if you use that term it it reveals the truth and the truth is that 90% of these men are putting on address and expecting to be given every single right that women have. And it’s and it’s an absolute ai. It’s a it’s a delusion. It’s a mass delusion. It’s a cult.
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It’s it’s like and Sai genuinely don’t think it would have existed without the Internet, you know. The Internet superpowered it and they gave rise to things like you you you see it ai, the same repeated phrases over and over again. Yes. Trans women are women. How are you gonna keep how are you gonna keep men out? That’s one thing they say about about single sex spaces, how are you gonna keep men out?
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Well you know we were always able to in the past because most men were decent and weren’t trying to get into women’s spaces but suddenly now it’s a problem you know? Right. And so basically what we’ve done is we’ve created this false kind of civil rights movement. It’s not a civil rights movement.
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It’s a male push to undo every single thing that suffragettes won over a hundred years ago, you know? Have you ever heard of the urinary leash? Do you know this phrase? No. The urinary leash is was was what was called when when the suffragettes, before the suffragettes won the right to vote, and single sex spaces and so on.
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The women of a household were not able to go too far from their house because there were no public toilets. And all the public toilet there were public toilets but they were mixed. So men would would would be in them and they couldn’t go into the toilets with the men. So you were you had a urinary leash.
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You had a leash that kept you close to your home.
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Jesus Christ.
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And that was one of the ways that men were able to exercise such power over women at that time.
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And so Like the urinary leash.
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That’s what they called it. Yeah. And now we have some, some we have members of this so called civil rights group who are basically just trying to bring back the urinary leash, you know? Sai it’s not safe for women to go into a space because they genuinely don’t know if they’ll share the space with a man.
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So, you know, it’s, anyway, I one of the problems with this fight is there’s so many aspects to it that it it it’s really I’ve I’ve been fighting it for eight years.
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Did you ex you so were you stunned by the reality? Let’s bring it back to the original thing that you did, your original offense to the cult Yes. Where they came for you.
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My original offense sai, I think, sharing a piece by a feminist named Heather Brunskill Evans that said exactly what you said just at the beginning, you know, a few minutes ago where you said, speak, people have have things going on in their head, they need to be respected, they they need to be helped. And then someone wrote back immediately.
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I I was actually, I was actually getting surgery for cancer at the time and someone wrote back and said Ai wish the cancer had won. Right?
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Jesus.
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And this was like sharing a very very mild piece that just basically said women deserve rights. Okay? So that reaction, I thought holy cow. And and and and then but the strangest thing was all my friends and colleagues. They just they just completely ignored what was happening to me.
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Not a single person stood up to say, hey, I know Graeme I know Graeme Linhain. He’s not a bigot. And Ai made lots of these people famous, you know. Not a single person stood up for me. And, the next thing that happened was that a a sai offender, and we found this out later, but a sex offender and kind of serial litigant in The UK, he reported me to the police, sued me on the same weekend, and, and the police, came to my home, or no.
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They phoned they phoned me that time. And since then, I’ve been basically the police just visit every so often on the orders of these. And this guy was a sexy he sexually assaulted a 14 year old boy, you know. And basically the police in The UK are working for these men, you know.
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So So
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he can complain ai he wants and they just visit you? Yeah. Yeah. And there’s no repercussions?
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No. Not so far. He’s been doing it for eight years. And and he’s had women in prison cells overnight. You know? I mean, it’s his it’s his hobby. You know? So, this guy was the guy who reported me to police, and then the Guardian reported that as Graeme Linehan, is is worn by police for harassing a trans woman.
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Jesus Christ.
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So now everybody is looking at this and they’re thinking, oh, ram woman, transsexual, poor transsexual. Not a trans again, just a bloke who’s put on a dress and is and is taking a piss, you know? So, so that that destroyed my name thanks to The Guardian. And then after that, I couldn’t get anyone to speak to me.
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Like, you know, I meh, it it the father Ted might be big in The UK but in Ireland it’s a bit of a national institution. You know? It it allowed the Irish to laugh at the Catholic church which for years had had a sort of oppressive effect over the Irish sai they weren’t able to laugh at it.
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It. And suddenly father Ted came out and was a great kind of release to be able to laugh at silly things. We weren’t really attacking the church, we were just making silly jokes, very surreal show, you know. And but but nonetheless, it kind of, it ai of chipped away at, at the Catholic church.
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And, and the Catholic church just kinda lost a lot of power in in in Ireland. So I thought in Ireland, it would be Ai would be at least understood and and listened out people would listen listen to me listen me out is that the phrase?
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Yeah hear me out.
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Hear me out and and no like there’s a show in Ireland called the Late Late Show and like, I brought out my biography a few years ago, called Tough Crowd, which I should Sai should plug. And The Late Late Show, which interviews every single person who’s who’s who’s who’s got the letter o apostrophe in their name, hasn’t interviewed me.
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And all of the Irish Irish media has just pretend Ai I’ve died. They just pretend I’ve died.
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All because they’re guardian artists.
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Not just because of that, because I just wouldn’t wouldn’t I refuse to back down. They were saying, you know, I was I was constantly being told to ai, and I hadn’t done anything. I would have people people online would would do fake screenshots of me apologizing for sending my pictures of my genitalia to women on a forum. Jesus.
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And they spread that. Oh, you know, we and and rather than my friends standing up for me, people would approach them on Twitter and say, why are you following Graham Linehan? He’s a bigot. And they would just go, oh, sorry. And just unfollow me. And so I lost 300,000 400,000 followers in a in in a few months.
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And, and then we went into COVID, and Twitter banned me for two years. So then that became Grey Meh. Because you had
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had was there a specific post or was it just because your reputation?
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It was a combination of things. I was I was causing more trouble for them by, I don’t know. What did I do? I went on to the webs this is a funny this connects me with Alex Jones. Do you know this? No. Did did he did Adam not send you this?
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No. No. No.
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Oh ai god. So so one of the things I did was I went on an app called Her Social which is a lesbian app and I did it to show that men were joining these apps and they weren’t they would you know some of them would put on a bit of lipstick but most of them were just they would look like you or me you know?
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Jesus Christ. Yeah. And they go onto this app and they say they’re they they put down their pronouns as sheher.
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Oh, boy.
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And they call themselves lesbians and let if lesbian complains about this, they’re booted off the site. Okay? So I decided I would I would go on and and call myself sheher and go on the site. So I did it. And then I had some friends who put me in Shah and did me in different, in different outfits.
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And one of them, I looked like my mother in the sixties. She’s wearing ai of Jackie Kennedy, pink beret. And Alex Jones was interested in the same story. And he might I I think I sent the link to you, Jamie, but, like oh, yeah. Here it is.
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Alex Jones. That’s that’s me. Be an app.
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I’m not usually for transvestites and stuff. This one here, this is, oh, and you see the symbol they’ve got here. You you know what that symbol is right there? Yeah. These symbols all mean something.
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What does that symbol mean? I
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don’t know. It doesn’t mean anything. Fucking Alex. Yeah. So I fooled Alex. But ai like,
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But the thing is that’s not outside of what you could find on there.
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No. Absolutely. That’s what’s crazy. But I was recounseled because of it. Because they only reported about me. They said Graham Linehan went on a lesbian app. Oh. Pretending to be a woman.
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So then you’re a pervert.
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Yeah. Yeah. So ai and of
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course Oh, you’re a hypocrite.
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Yeah. And none of my arguments are making it to the to the to the mainstream press because
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Oh God, I wish I knew about this earlier.
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I wish I’d sent you my little bear here.
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Vatsal never made it to The States except for Adam telling me.
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My scandal?
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Yeah. I meh, to ai the comedy community in The States. We didn’t hear about it. There’s almost there’s too many of them. And then the the thing was with JK Rowling, that was so big Mhmm. That they went for the queen. Yeah. They’re trying to take down literally the most successful author of human history.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Doesn’t hasn’t she sold more copies in the Ai at this point? Exactly. Is that is that accurate?
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No. I don’t know. Probably. I think the
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Harry Potter books have sold more or arya at least similar to the sales of the Bible. She sai wrote it in her lifetime. Yeah. Bible’s been around for two thousand years. Two thousand years head start.
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Yep. And that’s
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and they went for her anyway.
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They went for her. And there’s like seven I mean, when you think about it, it’s like seven or eight generations of kids have read these books.
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Best selling series in history. So Harry Potter series alone is exceeding 600,000,000 copies sold worldwide.
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Yeah. It’s ai. And you know and and, and and the sana the kids who read her books are the ones trying to counsel her. The kids who read their books aren’t aren’t taking on board any of the lessons of the books. It’s very strange.
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Well, it’s hard to be courageous. It’s hard to step outside of the narrative. And when there’s, like, a very forceful narrative that’s being pushed, like like, you know, what Elon likes to call the woke mind virus. Like, whatever that thing is that has, like, these very clear rules that you must follow, like, people get real scared. Yeah.
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And they they get real aggressive when they get real scared. They don’t wanna get vatsal themselves. They become a a they become some sort of an enforcer for these ideologies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And it gets contagious and it turns into some sort of a weird culture war that’s akin to a religious war.
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They call it could be the the other side call it a culture war to try and to try and to try and make it only that. Right? You know, the the the they they they they talk about it as a culture war to try and, kind of keep it under in in a framework they understand. Yeah. But it’s not a culture war really. It’s like it’s it’s it’s women’s lives you know. You’re talking about 51% of the population you know.
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They fought for these rights a hundred years ago and and now they’re they’re trying to take them away by stealth. There’s a there’s a nurse in The UK at the moment. Her name is Sandy Peggy. And she had a doctor, six foot two rugby playing doctor, who had started identifying as a woman, I think, in 2022. Right?
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Using women’s toilets in an NHS hospital every time. She was bothered by this, but she tried not to say anything. Okay? Until ai, she had a period, and she went in, and he was there, and he asked her to leave. She’s now going through the whatever week ai.
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Wait. He asked her
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to leave? I’m sorry. I put that wrong. She asked him to leave.
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Oh, oh, I see.
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And he refused. He took it up as a complaint and now she’s going through a work tribunal. Not him. He’s not he’s not in trouble for going into women’s toilets. She’s in trouble. And that’s the whole of The UK at the moment. How did this happen?
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Let’s let’s let’s you’re an intelligent guy and you’ve had eight years to think about this. Yeah. What do you think happened where people lost all ability to objectively analyze all the various little things that are at work in this?
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It’s partly a problem with the Internet, I think. I think it’s it’s first of all, the Internet spread it. One of the things that happened was, the the the there was a real supercharged moment, for trans ideology when Tumblr banned porn Because all the trans identified kids from who are who are all over Tumblr and and porn was a big thing on Tumblr.
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I don’t
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remember Tumblr.
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Yeah. Yeah. It was a big kind of visual sai, like I never used it.
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Did you ever use Tumblr? Didn’t use it but I know what he’s talking about. Yeah. It was big for generations. Was it a social media
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thing? Yeah. It was big amongst teenage girls of course. You know? So you’ve already got a worry there you know.
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Oh, now I remember it.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And they all came over to Twitter and that’s the moment when Twitter became extremely toxic in terms of talking about this issue and so there was a kind of a double thing going on. Like Sai remember when I was talking to people I knew about the issue, they simply couldn’t talk about about it. It was the strangest thing. They get scared.
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I know but even in personal one on one, they can’t talk about it.
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Well, it’s religion but it’s showing itself in a new form. Yes. It’s religion for secular people. People.
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It’s a religion It’s a
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religion that’s terrifying because like the consequences of not obeying or you get ostracized and you get attacked and you get deplatformed and de banked and Yeah. This and de that and ai a bigot.
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I had a West End musical ready to go based on Father Ted. It was like I I you know, you can’t really ever guarantee a hit in in terms of musicals, but it was the closest thing to a guaranteed hit you could get. It was my pension. I’d worked on it for about three or four years. They vatsal it. We had it up on the feet.
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We we had it up on its feet. We had songs we’ve written. We, you know, we’d even performed it in front of, audiences a couple of times just to to to generate excitement and interest. It was ready to go.
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So how did so many people go along with it where you can’t what what how is it that you can make this reasonable argument on this podcast about why you think this is the case, and what you think is going on, and this is why you stood up against it. And why can’t there be some sort of an ai, a logical debate about this?
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Like, how is this one issue so insanely third rail where you can’t even touch it. Like, people don’t even try to touch it.
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There’s a few reasons for that.
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One of the
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main reasons is that the language of this movement is so deliberately obscure. Ai, they did a poll recently. They found out that when people were talking about trans women in in women’s sports, a lot of people Ai think the majority of people I’m not sure what the percentages were but the majority of people thought they were talking about trans identified females in women’s sports.
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Oh boy.
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Yeah. And in fact even now when you say trans women some people are thinking trans men You know and I have to tell I have to sometimes tell people the way to do it is say trans means opposite. So if it’s trans meh it’s a woman. If it’s a trans woman it’s sai man. That’s all it means. It just means opposite.
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And so this language which is is constantly being used. If you see a press report about a, you know, this happens all the time. You see a press report that says something like I saw a great one that said something ai, woman, takes cocaine and then kills Alsatian or something like this.
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And it’s only that we know. It’s only that me and the feminists who are fighting this know that it’s a man that tell me it’s sai man. Every other every other person reading that newspaper thinks they’re talking about a woman.
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It happens all the time. It’s happened here. Yeah. It’s happened here when a trans person has done something they call it a shah. Yeah. But it’s a man that did it. Yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s very strange.
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It’s and it’s the press. It’s the press are, I mean really that when you say why isn’t it possible to be talked about, it’s because the press are helping confuse people, you know? The press are actually aiding like, if you get a pedophile and you report him to be a man oh, sorry, a woman when he’s actually a man, then it’s even harder to to step back and go, we shouldn’t have done that because you’ve actually you’ve actually already committed a terrible sin against journalism.
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Right.
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You know you’re not telling the truth.
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You’re not being accurate. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s just so strange that this is so potent that it allows people to give up those give up their journalistic integrity.
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Yeah. It’s it’s extraordinary. But some of them don’t even have a need for for the first in the first place. A lot of like, one of the things that happened when I was, started talking about this is I started noticing, like, there was a magazine in England called Total Film, and that was calling me a bigot.
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And all these different and my old magazines that I worked for were calling me a bigot. And then you see photographs of the guys and it’s always, you know, they’ve always got black fingernail polish and they think they’re a new kind of human, you know. Sai you’re not a new type of human being if
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you were.
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The best
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thing about the Internet is it allowed them to all group up. Yeah. Whereas before the Internet, it’s a very small percentage of people that have auto gynephilia or that, you know Sure. Fall into those categories. And we’ve always kicked those people out of women’s rooms. And this is one of the really important things when you’re talking about, like, trans bigotry. It’s only about men.
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It’s not about trans men. No no one cares.
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Well, here’s the thing. Right?
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Trans men going into the men’s ram? First of all.
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First of all. Right? This that’s one of the earliest kind of, smears against the feminists fighting this. Who are all in The UK, by the way, left wing women. Classic left wing ai Coop. Environmentalist.
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No. But Bunch of ai cat ladies sai JD Vance calls them. Bunch of kooks.
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No. These are the these are the good guys. These are the good guys. And they’ve been and, you know, but they’ve been smeared as right wing bigots, you know, even though they spent all their life fighting things like
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ai 50. Oh, I see what you’re saying.
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So the people that were yeah. You know, there’s there’s different types of feminism and I don’t think that’s sometimes appreciated in in conservative circles.
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Or this Meghan Murphy.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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Good friend of mine.
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Yeah.
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She’s a legit feminist. Yeah. Like, legit.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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Hey, this is, an infringement on women’s spaces and immediately, everything. Same thing as you. Call the big, but she’s in a different space because she’s on the Internet, you know, like her but she got kicked off of Twitter.
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She got kicked off of Twitter. She was off longer than me ai years. Crazy. You know? And ai being kicked off of Twitter allowed people to, further lie about me online until my reputation was completely destroyed. So I went in for a meeting with the people who produced the father Ted musical, who also produced father Ted back in the day, and I walked in and, everybody I I saw someone I worked with for years, a runner who had grown up with me as I as I worked with them on different productions, just looking at me like like Elliott Gould.
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Who who was it? Elliott Gould? No. What sai the guy’s name at the end of, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, you know?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And I thought, what the hell was that look? And then I went into the office, and they offered me £200,000 to walk away from the musical.
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Wow.
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And they thought that they thought I would take it because I was so desperate ai I had lost every bit of work I had. And, and I thought about it and at one point, I said to him, well, as long as I can come in and watch the occasional rehearsal just to see if it’s going well, you know.
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And, and they sai, no. We want a clean break. Wow. And I had brought them the idea. I had more or less written the whole thing, and they just thought they could they could do that to me. So I thought, no.
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I’m not taking part in the any further efforts to bryden my own name. So I sai, no, I’m not doing it. And they won’t make the musical now.
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So how but I I know the Internet was a part of this, but how did it get so kooky? How did it get so kooky where people are willing to put women in these vulnerable positions because they don’t sana to offend this entirely tiny, very, very vocal part of the world?
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Because as you say, because these this tiny, very vocal, very and very and you know there’s sai Ai sana make this clear there are a lot of trans identified people who are completely sana. Of course. Who know what sex they are. Of course. Who are not trying to impose themselves in in places where they’re not wanted or where they would disturb or frighten women.
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They’re great and I’m friends with a lot of them. I ai
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And they’ve existed forever.
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Well, you know, when they say they
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But but there shah always been people like that in
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the world. Sure. But there’s but you know, when you come to the current iteration of the word trans people, what does it mean then? Like, you know, when you’re talking about just transvesticism. Right.
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Right. Right. Right.
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That’s where
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it gets squirrely.
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Existed forever what that they wear each other’s furs, you know, in in the caves. It’s like it’s just closed. Right.
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But there’s been historical tales forever. There was actually a famous one about from the Old West about this guy that was married to this woman. And then, when the woman died, he was out of town. And the doctor found out that this woman that he was married to was actually a man. Oh, sure.
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And then so then he committed suicide.
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Oh, right. Right.
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Because he couldn’t let everybody know that he was banging a dude this whole time. Yeah. But My point is there’s always been people that identified as a woman, but there also has always been perverts. And so to to deny the existence of one while pushing the other, it’s ai, meh. Yes. Yes. I agree.
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There have been people that feel like they’re in the wrong body and the wrong gender. That’s always existed. It’s a reality of human civilization. Mhmm. Also, what’s that? Yeah.
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That’s a guy in a dress with a heart on. Yeah. Like, this this autogynephilia is a real thing. Men get turned on by dressing up like women. Also, there’s certain perverts that don’t wanna wear a dress, but they know if they do wear a dress, now they can get into the women’s room. Yeah.
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They’re gonna do that too.
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Of course, they are. If you put the line here, men will come up to that line.
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Exactly. If you
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put it up here, men will come up to that one.
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That.
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You can’t.
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You can’t do it under the guise of compassion because you again, it’s only about men. When you talk about trans men, no one is complaining.
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Let me let me tell you a little
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In any way.
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Let me tell you something a little something about that. Right? As you as you point out, they never talk about trans men. And in fact, when you think about it, who are the famous trans men? Very very few of them.
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Elliot Page. Elliot Page.
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A few a few other guys
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That’s the most famous
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one. Yes. Ai?
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Because she was a famous actress and then she became Elliot Page.
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Yeah. Well, ai, she like actually, let me tell you something about Elliot Page’s voice that that’ll be of interest. But, but, what was my point sana be? Oh, yeah. Trans men added a whole trans deal meh the worst deal out of it. Trans women, all all a man has to do is wear a dress, and he is suddenly a trans woman. Right?
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But trans identified women, they get double mastectomies, hysterectomies in their twenties and thirties, you know. They get, they go in every single young woman on testosterone will go into early menopause. Early menopause brings with it a risk of dementia, incontinence, itching, and all sorts of fucking problems you don’t sana put up with when you’re these young women think they’re gonna be young men and they’re actually turning into old women.
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And no one has told them this, Joe. Oh. No one Early menopause.
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I know it makes a lot of them infertile for life.
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Oh, yeah. You know, it’s it’s it’s one of the things that happens is is when, you take testosterone, your ovaries confuse to, I’m not sure, some other part of your internal organs, and that means it it becomes infected. And that means it and that’s why you see so many trans men having to have hysterectomies. You know? Oh.
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If if if a woman has her breasts removed and then goes on to have a child later on in life, if they’re lucky enough not to have been sterilized by the drugs, if they have a child later on in life, when the child cries, the tissue in their breasts will ache because there’s always tissue left behind after those operation.
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And it will ache because it wants to feed the baby, but they can’t.
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Oh my god.
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You know? No one tells these kids that. You know? The younger men who are I’ve I meh a detransitioner, his name’s Richard Tulip. He told me that there are oh, actually, no. Let me stick to trans men for a moment. You know? The only time that trans men get famous in the same way that trans women do is if they get pregnant, right? Right.
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And then it’s like they’re on the cover of Time magazine or something. Yeah. Because, oh my god, a bearded pregnant lady, you know?
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Right.
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And it’s it’s it’s just we’ve always known it, we’ve seen fairgrounds with bearded ladies. It’s just testosterone. It’s just an excess of testosterone. There’s nothing magical or or or or great about. In fact, it’s very dangerous for women on testosterone to, have get pregnant because they could pass on I mean, this is how horrible it is.
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There was a study in The UK published by a gender sociologist, I think she is, who works for Sheffield University. And and the study said this is, what’s her name? Sally Ai. And the study said that even if there’s a risk of deformity to a baby, a a trans identified woman should continue taking testosterone because there was too much of an emphasis on babies born with normative bodies.
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Oh ai god. Oh my god.
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I mean
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So preventative medication is a denial.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s just insane.
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Preventative medication would be a denial because you you you you you’re denying the existence of people with disabilities as if they’re not real. Yeah. They’re not equal. It’s something like that. That is so crazy.
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It it basically they can they, you know, that’s another thing with this debate and there’s other there’s there’s well, anyway, ai. I sana stick to trans men.
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But just that language is so Orwellian. Yeah.
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But if you look look up
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How crate but what a crazy way to justify ai.
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Yeah. And I’m try I’ve been trying to tell people that this has been going on for years. That’s the second most shocking story I know in this fight. Will I just tell you this first one? Sure. Okay. You know WPATH? WPATH.
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What is that?
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WPATH is meant to be the world leader for trans healthcare. It is where the whole world gets their orders for how to treat trans people. Okay? It is I I I this is gonna blow you away, Jill. So there’s a there’s a woman named Mia Hughes, and she published a piece called, she published a study called, the WPATH files. It hasn’t been reported on anywhere.
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No one is talking about it. It’s not a it it it came and went without without causing barely a ripple. She found out that WPATH, which briefly tried to make eunuch a gender ai. Right? She found out that they were linking to a website called the eunuch ai.
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And the eunuch archives is mainly a repository of about I don’t know. I I have it written down, but it’s something like 8,000 short stories, something like that. And they’re just pornography about people cutting their dicks off. WPATH linked to this ai. Not only that, but something like 40% of the stories are tagged ai. Okay?
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So these are the people who are cutting off young men’s dicks, and they are sharing erotic pornography about cutting off young men’s dicks. And and Ai, Jamie has all the links. This may sound that I’m pulling it out of my ass because it’s so hard to believe. That’s another problem we have.
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Some of these stories are so hard to believe.
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It’s so hard to inform people because you’re only gonna hear about something like this on a podcast.
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Yeah. Exactly. The the press won’t report on it. And when you think about and BBC, the BBC deliberately ignores ignores this. The BBC is outrageous on this issue. But, but But what was
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it like they did with Jimmy Savile?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. But this is ai forever Forever. But this is almost worse than Jimmy Savile because there’s more kids being hurt, you know? And and The U UK is addicted to ignoring scandals and to hurting you know, to allowing children to be hurt, you know? What what’s his name?
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Keir Starmer, the or or the The UK ai minister. When he came in, he said he would end the culture wars. He hasn’t ended the culture wars. He hides from them while ordinary people still have to fight in court, people like me and and and various women who are fighting these nonsense.
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He’s an absolute coward on this issue. But the thing about the WPATH files is WPATH, this place that’s sharing pedophilic castration pornography, is is is the world leader on trans healthcare. Okay? They’re the ones that are bowed to on everything in this year, and they’re the reason why doctors all over the world are giving these, protocols to kids because there’s a thing called the chain of trust that Mia Hughes writes about, which is an ear, nose, and throat specialist has to has to believe that other doctors know what they’re doing.
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And they have to believe that the the head of, any particular discipline knows what they’re saying. And what’s happening with WPATH is they’re issuing all this stuff, and it’s all just crazy nonsense. One one thing in the WPATH, files they found out was there was one letter ram, I think, one of the doctors associated with WPATH.
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And she sai, I’ve only ever refused, a transition a transition diagnosis once. And that’s when the patient was having a that’s because the patient had a a psychotic episode in my office. That’s the only reason she didn’t say, yeah. You’re a man. You you because she was having a psychotic episode. They would ai they they tried to transition a homeless guy.
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So when you think about it, he has the surgery and the next day he’s back in the streets with a wound that needs to be clean. They tried to transition a homeless guy. That’s the WPATH files. And Is
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it their goal to just transition anybody?
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It is it’s purely a kind of ideological insanity. Like, one of the one of the people who who is involved in this, I can’t I her name always jumps out of my head. I can’t remember her name, but but she suggested that a baby who fiddles with the buttons on their baby grow is trans because they’re they’re indicating they don’t like this baby grow.
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They wanna wear a a male or whatever, you know.
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Oh meh god.
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That woman was involved in the satanic panic scandal. So she’s moved from one insane, you know, mass delusion to another.
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What was the satanic panic scandal?
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Oh, do you not know this? This was ai eighties, I think, in the middle of in kind of Midwestern America. There was a lot of, places that suddenly suddenly started believing in in cults that were, worshiping the devil and having sex with children. And the thing about it was it was before the Internet, so it didn’t actually spread that far. You know? There were a few towns where it broke out.
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Do you remember that? The three kids who were in jail for years for something they didn’t do, and they nearly tried to kill them, and it was found out. And they were just goths, you know, the stuff like that. And it didn’t break out of Middle America because the Internet wasn’t there. Mhmm.
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But I have to think now, if you had if the satanic spout scandal broke out again, you would certainly know about it because it would be all over the world.
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And this person was involved in this? Yeah. Yeah. Sai some part it
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was something to do shah was something to do with a military base. I wish I could remember her name. She she she as I say shah did this thing about babies popping their mini they’re popping the buttons on their thing, you know, which is and it’s So this is a crazy person. Yeah. This is a crazy person.
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So crazy person who was a part of the satanic panic is now telling you that a baby fiddling with its buttons is probably trans.
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Yeah.
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And people are listening.
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And people are listening. Wow. And you have sai mean one of the things when you said why ai this happened, like another thing that’s happened is you got to understand there’s millions of things going on at the same time. Right? A lot of very bad men have been empowered. Okay?
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A lot of very bad men know they can walk into a female only space and at least they meh even get a fucking payout if someone complains. Right. Right? But then there’s a lot of, you know, really lovely kids who are grown up and have been tyler, like boys who’ve been told that boys are evil, and they and they’ve they’ve they feel guilty because they think of women in a sexual way.
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And, you know, they there’s there’s stories of poise being castrated because of that, you know? They they do not want to associate themselves with what they see as male toxicity, you know? Sai, anyway well, oh, yeah. And then there’s other there’s other things. There’s, like, you know, people like that grifter, who said that that the baby grows. There’s all sort it’s like a gold rush.
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If you create a if you create a, a completely, senseless system that has no rules, that anyone can be a woman if they put on a dress and it’s just complete free for all, it’s gonna be a gold rush, you know? Not just that.
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If you’re part of that clan, you get to be very aggressive about defending these ideas
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Yeah.
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To the point where you’re allowed to hold up pistols and say we shoot turfs. Yeah. I saw some of that stuff going on in The UK where, like, it’s really apparently very hard to get a gun.
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Yeah.
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But shoot turfs.
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Yeah. No. That’s big. Yeah. I tell you what a really funny thing as well. You see you see British people hold it holding up posters saying arm arya trans people. And it’s because they’re completely Americanized, you know?
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This term for people who don’t know what it means, is trans exclusionary, radical feminism. So you’re talking about shooting a woman. So there is a man who identifies as a woman holding a pistol, who’s about to shoot the real woman, and this is openly promoted. Yeah. There’s nothing else like that in the world.
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Imagine if that was instead of turfs, which is just really a woman saying, a man with a penis shouldn’t be allowed to be in the woman’s room. Yeah. That will turn you into a turf. And this is a person with a pistol saying shoot TERFs.
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Yeah. Yeah. And that’s okay. And also ram trans exclusionary is such a lie because these women, they accept every woman no matter how they identify. So if a trans man comes in and says Ai need help or something has happened to me or whatever, these groups won’t turn them away. They’re not trans exclusionary.
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Right.
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And they’re trans They’re
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male exclusionary.
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A trans man using the women’s room.
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Yeah. That’s fine.
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But that’s a weird thing, like if a trans man was using the woman’s room, what would the wimp, you know, if we do that’s that gets weird. Right?
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People know, Joe. These are small ai women with with unconvincing facial hair. What
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about a giant one? One big ai lady who gets on the juice.
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I don’t know. I I
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Ai could see how it could be an issue if if it’s there’s there’s people that turn into trans men that are very passable as men.
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Sure.
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Much more so, I think, much more likely than people that are women or male that turn into women.
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Oh, definitely. The the effect of facial hair is such a mesmerizing effect. It’s definitely gonna change your opinion.
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Especially because there’s kind of feminine men Yeah. And they’ll fall into that category.
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But but here’s the thing they also have a bunch of things in common. They’re all they’re all lower than the average height of meh. Right. The the and also
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Small bones.
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Their voices are croaky. Have you ever noticed Elliot Page’s voice? No. It’s very croaky now. It’s like this. It’s getting it’s a little bit like Kennedy’s going to go in there. Not that bad.
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Well, you hear about it from the female bodybuilders.
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A little croakiness.
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Ai? Female bodybuilders sai they’re original trans men.
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Oh, okay. Because they were injecting testosterone?
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Listen, female bodybuilders, we knew a long time ago that you could turn a woman into a man. Yeah. Well Ai, at least visually.
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Yeah. Sure.
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So, like, go give me some female Miss Olympias. I’m gonna show you something that’s literally not possible.
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Okay.
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This is not physiologically, it’s not possible for a woman to get this muscular because it’s not a woman. It’s a science project.
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Right.
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So it’s a biological science project. And so this is ai give me give me some crazy ones.
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You know in East Germany, the women who were on steroids and so
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on,
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they weren’t told ai testosterone.
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Oh, I’m sure.
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The government
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Shah me The
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government showed you two.
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One ram, like, the nineties. Okay. How about that young lady in the lower right hand corner? Look at that. Look at those muscles. Bro. Oh, Jesus. Bro, that is so crazy. But it does look ai I gotta sai, does look feminine in ai the hips. No. Sure. But it looks almost like a superhero.
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That’s that’s another thing. Hips don’t lie, you know? But but but there’s another there’s another thing that happens.
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How about that one, Jamie? Scroll back. Scroll up a little. Yeah. That one right there. Right above that one. The one where her hands are on her hips in the middle. The blue one. Yeah. Look at that one. Yeah. Bro. Yeah. Look at those arms.
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But that’s just, you know,
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that’s just that, you know, someone who’s doing that for a competition. That’s, you know and not pretending to be a man.
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Right. But but my point is, like, if that person did identify as a a man and ai to start using the women’s room because, you know, of their biological sai, that would freak some women out.
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Yeah. And and to be honest with you, that’s a kind of a a a gotcha that’s often pulled out. But in the end, the vast majority of the time, you know, and it’s
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There’s not a lot of those.
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It’s but yeah exactly.
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Also it takes not just steroids to get that big. Yeah. It takes years of being in the gym and steroids for a woman to get that big.
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But let me tell you what I was gonna tell you about testosterone testosterone.
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The croakiness?
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Yeah. The croakiness. Do you know why that is? Why? Because they have slender women’s necks but their vocal cords have expanded because it’s testosterone. Oh. And so a lot of trans identified women have these croaky voices you know ai
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I thought it was just deepening of the voice because it’s both of those. Right?
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But it’s not Yeah. But but, like, the deepening voice comes because of things like this. You know? I don’t
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know what Elliot Page sounds like now.
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There sai something else I was gonna tell you about this that was really interesting, about the oh, man. What was it?
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Sorry. Trans meh.
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It’s ai eight years of stuff just, crowding up in my head. Ai, I’ll it’ll come back to me. It’ll come back to me. But, but yeah, these these girls oh, I know what it is. Okay, here’s another here’s another fun fact, right? Okay. Ai, the gay men’s dating hookup app. Okay?
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Trans men are going onto that app expecting to be accepted by other by gay men. Okay? And they’re not. And again, if the gay men complain, they get thrown off.
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Oh no. Gays, get a hold of your stuff.
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Get a
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hold of your stuff. Don’t let them do that to you.
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Well here’s what’s happening on Ai. Wait, here it is. Here’s what’s happening on Grindr. Straight men are joining Grindr to predate on those women.
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On the trans men women?
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Yeah. Because some of the women some of the women some of the women haven’t haven’t yet, the testosterone hasn’t taken over.
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Oh, so they catch them ai they’re vulnerable.
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They catch them while they’re vulnerable. They sai, hey, Ai a gay meh. Hey, I’m a gay man.
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Oh ai god. That’s so
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And so they’re predating on these Speak. On these vulnerable, you know, confused young women who’ve been told that they are literally now gay men. God, it’s so weird. But ai
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how what percentage I mean, how many numbers are we talking about where this is a a strategy ai getting laid?
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I did all Ai seen I have seen a forum discussion between two guys who were just kind of sniggering about it amongst themselves. Oh ai god. It’s really it’s really I mean, you know, these kids but one of the things that gets me about this is that these kids are the kids that I was.
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You know? They’re strange, they did not well adjusted, spend a lot of time reading maybe, sensitive. A lot of girls who are caught up in this are the most emphatic, imaginative girls, you know? Right. And and it appeals to them for some reason, you know?
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It appeals to them maybe because it feels so they see men as just ai through life in a way that they can’t. And and also they see pornography from from when they’re kids, and the women in pornography are treated appallingly. And so they are they are saying, nope. I don’t want any of that.
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And they’re they they think they can just but what they’re really doing is they’re stepping into a world where they they they have a four times higher chance of having a heart attack if they’re taking testosterone than any than normal women. They are gonna die younger, you know. They’re gonna lose their ability to have children and and no one is talking about it.
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And it’s
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happening in clusters. Ai, that’s the most disturbing thing that Abigail brought up. A lot of these girls are diagnosed as autistic. Yeah. And they wind up and they wind up doing these group clusters of six or seven girls, which statistically speaking is highly ai unlikely to be natural.
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Yeah.
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And it it leans towards the idea of a social contagion and no one wants to believe it. She also talks about how it it it when you do test take testosterone, when you’re young, it it elevates your your your sense of confidence. It alleviates anxiety. It does a bunch of things for you psychologically.
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It creates more female school shooters. Have you noticed this?
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It has. It does. Yeah.
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This has been happening recently as well.
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New thing.
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Yeah. And it’s ai, Sai I what I can never understand is why there don’t exist people in the world. I mean, there are. They are there. There’s a lot of them there. And they’re they’re but but no one on a high level. Not very few politicians. Trump, in fact, is probably the only one who will sai, hang on a sec. This is insane nonsense. We’ve got to protect these kids. Yeah. Let’s cut it out.
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Instead, there’s this constant ai oh, yeah, but you know we have like a funny thing happened when the Supreme Court recently I mean this took four women Scotland, a group in Scotland, years to get to get through the court but finally the Supreme Court said no meh means biological sai.
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You know, it doesn’t you know Where
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does go Scotland?
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In law, yeah, in law sex means biological sex. And all these places have come back saying it’s the most, you know, I don’t we don’t know how we’re going to implement this. It’s all very confusing and they’re they’re really dragging their heels with it, you know. It’s like you were able to do it for a hundred years.
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How difficult is it to write ladies and gents and put it up on a ai, you know, and enforce it. Put it up on the door and enforce it. You know, they are they they are absolutely hypnotized by this and they’re fully convinced that it is just like gay rights and that it’s they have to be careful because I mean, one of the things that’s happened for instance with the police in The UK is that a few years ago, there was a young kid murdered by some racists, black kid murdered by some racists.
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And I think I think it was called the McPherson report came out that that described the police as institutionally racist. And they they probably were in that way that all cops were racist at one point, you know, or or at least, you know, very much not, right on. But anyway, it was a big scandal. The plea it had this convulsive effect on the police.
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And then the police just flipped and they started putting on pride colors on their faces and and marching with pride. And and real and I genuinely think that that there are police who are complicit. I I in fact, I sent a video, maybe Jamie can pull it up, but I sent a video of the police actually walking away from a group of kettled women.
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The ram activists sai kettled them in this small space. Their back was up against a railing, and there was a huge crowd of of Antifa type guys screaming at these women. And about four or five police keeping the Antifa guys from the women. And I I arrived, and I saw them walking away.
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I saw about six, seven policemen walking away from it. You know? I was ai, what the hell’s going on? So I think British police are using trans activists to scare women out of fighting for their rights because they know that if women, if women, gather to meh, trans activists will definitely be there to, hurt them or harass them.
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You really think that? You don’t think that it’s just they’re scared of the ram activists?
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No, because they’ve been advised for years by Stonewall, which was the big gay rights organisation in The UK, that these women are bigots and that these women are actually far right and, you know, and the police believe this stuff because they’ve had it as training for years.
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So that their training is that these women that are fighting for women’s rights, these women are bigots Yeah. And they should let the Antifa people have Adam.
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Oh, they wouldn’t say that officially, but I believe that’s what’s happening. I believe they’re basically using Antifa to control these women.
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You know, the the flip side of this is ugly. When people rise up against something like this, it gets real ugly and real ai. And that’s what scares me the most.
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Oh, one of the things we’re we’re we’re trying to head off is the backlash against transsexuals and gay people who had nothing to do with this, you know?
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Gay people in particular. There’s a lot of my friends that are gay that do not like any of this movement.
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Yeah. No. They don’t
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do not like any of it.
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It’s a homophobic movement. Have you ever heard of anything that’s more homophobic than a lesbian with a penis? It’s homophobia. That’s all it is. And and for some reason people have just been held in this kind of, you know, tractor beam where they’re just kind of, like, going along with it and they’re not questioning it.
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I guess they’re worried that what happened to people like me will happen to them, but there’s increasingly less of an excuse now. I mean John Oliver and John Stewart both said on their programs that puberty blockers were reversible. That was a dangerous lie.
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Well, I don’t understand John Stewart saying that. I I have to assume that John Stewart was misinformed.
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Everyone’s misinformed because But
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I have to assume that John didn’t look into this because he’s super reasonable and very intelligent.
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Absolutely. And that’s why
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That’s what’s so crushing
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when someone like that says something like this. It is simply not true that puberty blockers are reversed.
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It has a direct impact on the development of the child’s penis to the point where they might not ever And brain. And brain and causes strokes.
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Yeah.
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It is literally chemical castration that they used to give to sex predators.
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That’s it.
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That’s what it is. Yeah. That’s what it is.
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Yeah. It’s even it’s even a form of the drug. They a few years ago, they wanted to put Alan Turing on a bank note in The UK, and now they’re telling gay they’re putting gay kids on the same Right. Same drugs that chemically castrated him.
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Yes. You know? And led him to commit ai. Right?
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Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
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The guy who invented the test to figure out whether or not artificial intelligence had reached sensors.
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Oh, I didn’t yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. That’s the Turing test. I always forget about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think of it more as the enigma guy, you know.
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Ai meh, but imagine that, ai, what a crazy contribution and a footnote in history that we’re currently wrestling with. Mhmm. Like, we’re grappling right now with the idea that these things are already sentient.
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The thing is we’re grappling with things that we shouldn’t be grappling with when when we’re actually on the cusp of what seems to me with AI to be a huge moment in human evolution. Right? Yeah. We’re about to move into ai it’s Ai always think of it like the the the thing in Alien that Sigourney Weaver
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Right.
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With the with the ai the JCB dick itch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I think that’s what AI is for humanity. We’re sana be able to step into these things and be much more powerful than we used to be. We need
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More completely irrelevant and we fade off.
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Sure.
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Because we’re not breeding anymore anyway.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know
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what I mean? You think about the amount of people that are having children now, especially in developed parts of the world, it’s drops off. It always drops off. But, like, Japan is at the the risk of population collapse. South Korea is at the risk of population collapse. Then you factor in ai microplastics, which significantly affect child’s reproductive systems when they’re in in the uterus.
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Okay.
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Also, like lower sperm counts, you look at, like, the invention of plastics and the start the use of plastics, and then the correlation, the giant dip in sperm counts.
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Wow.
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We talked about it yesterday in the podcast. There’s a woman, doctor Shanna Swan ram Harvard, who wrote a book on
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this Yeah.
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About phthalates. And every person carries, like, literally a fucking speak, like a like a, you know, like a picnic spoon, like plastic picnic spoon of microplastics in their brain. Yeah. So and this stuff is neutering humans. It’s also causing their I mean, whether it’s causing it or where there’s a correlation.
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So there’s a correlation in a larger number of miscarriages
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Yeah.
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For women. And they think a lot of this has to do with environmental toxins.
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Okay.
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And a lot of it has to do with microplastics.
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So all
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this is moving us into this genderless direction. We’re gonna stop breeding anyway at the same time where artificial intelligence becomes the new alpha life form on Earth.
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Yeah. But but but again
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We just stop breed off. We just stop breeding.
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But one of the things I mean, we we I I just feel like there there’s all these there are all these, tests ahead of humanity, ai, from the things you’ve just been talking about and all sorts of other things, geopolitical and so on. Why are we wasting time concentrating on this imaginary thing? It’s not a real problem. It is it is a it is a mass delusion spread by the Internet.
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Well it’s a real problem in that men are always a real problem. Sure. But ai meh point is Most robberies, most murders, most car accidents, most, high speed car chases, most assault on police officers Yeah. Yeah. Most everything.
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Absolutely. And and and we have to deal with the reality of of life if we are going to take this major evolutionary step as human beings with AI. Because if we if we continue ignoring the insanity that the Internet has has brought about with this movement, we’re just sana waltz right into the next one, you know?
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Yeah. If we don’t take time to say okay what just happened? Right. Why did it happen? How can we make sure it doesn’t happen again?
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Because it seems to me now that with the trans thing, the human race with the Internet is hugely vulnerable to these kinds of what you might call them sense destroying viruses, whatever you might call them. I don’t know. There should be a word for what what the trans movement is, but I think we’re so vulnerable to it that we have to start developing, antibodies, you know?
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I agree with you because I do think that something else could come from a different direction. Right? So here’s what we saw in our lifetime, the same kind of thinking, the same kind of bizarre ai group thinking. We saw it from COVID. We saw people that turned on their neighbors that were skeptical about the vaccine or people that didn’t wanna take it.
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They were called murderers and
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Yeah.
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Plague rats and this this craziness where people were ostracized from social circles because they weren’t vaccinated.
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Yeah.
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And even though in hindsight, they were directionally correct. Right? No one there’s no been no course correction, but there was this othering of people for a very simple thing. Yeah. Like, you decide like, if that fucking thing works and you take it, why are you mad at me if I don’t take it if it works?
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That means you’re not gonna get COVID no matter what fucking happens to me. Right?
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Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah.
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So it was weird and illogical
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Yeah.
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Just like the trans thing, but ai. And people were terrified because your life was in danger.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Saw the most vile reactions from older populations who were calling for people to be quarantined, round up in camps, take away their livelihood, take away their children. You were hearing it from these old, terrified people with fragile health, and they all got really violent about it online.
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They got really, really extreme in their positions on this.
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Yeah. Yeah. And it was I didn’t notice that stuff so much.
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Oh, in America, it was nuts. Yeah. In America, it was wild. And, you know, and it was pushed by these multimedia corporations, these huge news corporations who was pushed by them. It was all nonsense and propaganda, including Rolling Stone and CNN. Rolling Stone had a whole article that was 100% bullshit about people who were waiting in line at the emergency room for gunshot wounds because there were so many people that were getting treated for horse dewormer because they took too much ivermectin.
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Wow.
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Total fabrication
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Yeah. Yeah.
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With a stock photograph of people waiting in line in August in Oklahoma. This is supposed to be taking place. A stock photograph of people wearing winter coats outside in line Yeah. Because they’re waiting for the fucking flu shot.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And so it’s a lie. It’s a ai. And and so there’s this this willingness to lie with no retractions on all the major television networks. Everybody was, like, pushing this one narrative, and everyone at home was locked down. Yeah. You couldn’t go to work. You couldn’t go to school.
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And everyone was terrified because this had never happened before.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And we got to see how quickly people who arya cowards just attack the others to try to keep themselves safe. It got very rat like.
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Ai think it’s I think it’s we live in a village now really Yes. When you think about it. And and I often describe myself as a victim of village gossip on a global scale, you know?
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That’s it, that’s it. Yeah. You know, but it’s written down sai it seems a lot more real.
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Yeah, that’s the thing, I mean when the when the Ai, when when when the printing press, appeared there was a hundred years of chaos as all these sects and everyone who had a crazy idea about the Bible that they’d had themselves, oh, on the seventh page it says this on line seven. And that would become a religion. Right? And then for a hundred years these religions were fighting it out.
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There was there was pogroms and massacres and and and Protestantism was formed because of it. We’re having a similar moment, ai?
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Yes.
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With the Internet. Yeah. Because suddenly every every idiot with an opinion is putting it out there. Some of them are great opinions, some of them are terrible opinions, but there’s no difference. And one thing I’ve noticed with the left is that with bad opinions all they do is they repeat certain lines over and over again, you know, and you hear these things come up over and over, that’s why I reacted slightly earlier because trans women have always been with us.
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It’s one that you hear a lot, you know? Right. But you also hear, you know, just things designed to shut down the conversation, you know? Mhmm. And you see them over and over again. They’re repeated over and over again.
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Whatever you think of the Gaza situation at the moment, I noticed that it’s the same thing. Genocide over and over and over again. In every tweet they meh the word ai, you know. And and I I don’t happen to think it is but like, at by the end of it, if you were to stand up against that and say something against that, it’s a difficult thing because you suddenly look like you’re against genocide you’re for pro genocide.
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What what is the measure of genocide? Like, when does it become genocide? Like, when you’re starving people, when you’re bombing indiscriminately, when you’ve destroyed most of the buildings, when you’ve killed who knows how many tens of thousands of women and children?
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Well, do do we sana get into this? Yeah.
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I mean, it’s a we got into it a little bit.
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I I I just think that, you know, Hamas is I I agree with Coleman Hughes, I think, who was on your show Mhmm. Where he says that, you know, Hamas, they’ve built, like, a huge network of tunnels underneath people’s houses. They put their headquarters in civilian buildings. It’s it’s a form of guerrilla warfare that I don’t think should be allowed to continue. And I and I support Israel in in defeating Hamas.
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Is that the Is
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there another way to do it other than to blow up everybody? Is there a way to do it without starving the innocent people?
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I I I’m I you know, again, I just don’t know how much of this is Hamas, you know, comes from Hamas. I don’t know how much of it is true. I would suggest that all these conversations wait until we find finally find out exactly what’s what’s happened, you know. At the moment, it’s it’s fog of war stuff, you know. But I don’t sana get into a big debate.
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Do
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you know, have you ever heard of Eric Prince’s idea? Do you know Eric Prince?
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Do you know who he is? Was he the Blackwater guy? Ai. Yeah.
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He had an idea that apparently he floated by, but they rejected. He said instead of destroying everything like that, you could just flood the tunnel system with the seawater.
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Oh, well, yeah. Great. Sai mean
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That was his idea. Yeah. He’s like he could flush them all right out, Like, that they’re very vulnerable.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I don’t know whether or not Ai, you know, just Ai heard him speak of this. I believe it was on the Sean Ryan show. I might be incorrect. Mhmm. He spoke about it on some show. I don’t know if it would work. I don’t know why they would reject it.
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Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. But as I say, I don’t really sana go into it because it’s such a it’s again, it’s a very, very, heated debate and I’ve only got room for one.
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I understand
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what you’re saying. You know what I mean?
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I understand what you’re saying. Yeah. When we were when when you’re dealing with all this, you’re you lost your entire income. You lost everything. You lost your standing in the television world.
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Yeah.
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You lost a lot of your friends.
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Oh, my friends.
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All no one stuck with you?
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01:17:53
Two people. Jonathan Ross and Richard Ai. Everyone else all the people Ai, you know, given jobs to, made famous.
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Well, shout out to those two soldiers.
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Oh, ai. Richard’s great.
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It’s hard. It’s hard to when someone close to you gets vatsal and you’re worried about catching strays.
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Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I should say there are a few people that that have stood by me. Lisa Evans, wonderful woman who produced Father Meh, and a few other people. She’s a she’s a big feminist. So I shouldn’t be too but but in terms of my actual old life, everyone just dumped me, you know. Crazy.
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Yeah. That’s the beautiful thing about the comedy community. Like, we expect cancellations.
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Yeah.
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You can cancel ai nobody.
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You guys are so interesting. I compare you guys to the birds that feed in between the teeth of crocodiles, you know? You guys dance so close to being to being cancelled, but you don’t you don’t it doesn’t seem to touch you. And it’s it’s always great to see. I I I don’t know if you saw. Did you see the Trigonometry interview with, Kill Tony? Tony, Hinchcliffe?
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I did not. You gotta watch that. Tony’s my boy though. He’s my best friend.
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01:18:59
So presumably he told you about that Chinese incident.
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Oh, I was there. I was there for the whole thing. I was there for the whole thing.
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Mind blowing.
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I was there for the whole thing. What saved Tony was that he had a recording of the entire sai, including the other ai set.
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That’s right.
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And that’s what saved him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then it became I mean, but Tony was going through it, man. It was hard. It was hard to watch a friend go through it like that.
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Yeah.
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But, you know, he took, like, a week off, maybe two weeks off, and then, I brought him on the road with me in Utah. We did Salt Lake City, which is, an awesome place. Wise Guys in Salt Lake City, shout out. It’s one of the best clubs in the world. So we did this club, and, the audience had no idea who’s opening for me. It’s just me. Right? And when they announced Tony Hinchcliffe’s name, everybody went crazy.
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Oh, yeah. It was awesome.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It was awesome. People stood up, they clapped, they cheered, and he went up and
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murdered. Yeah.
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He had so much material on that cancellation. It was so good. He it was like an amazing moment for him because, like, his comedy actually jumped up a notch. Ai actually got funnier because of it. He, like, tightened his bits up. He got more aggressive with it. He was like, he got really dialed in.
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He was worried his whole world was going away.
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Same with Shane. I mean, Shane Shane came up on top of that so brilliantly. It’s
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it’s like Exactly.
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Yeah. I I just love Ai love people who but for some reason Ai just couldn’t do it. I think because
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You didn’t have a comedy community ai a stand up community.
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And also
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my Ai thing.
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My job required a cast and a crew and producers and agents and they Funded in. Yeah. The UK arya sector is completely captured, you know.
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01:20:36
Well, it’s the same as America. I mean, America is a it’s a giant issue with left wing politics in Hollywood.
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Yeah.
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Meh. You’re either on the team or you’re outside. If you’re outside, then you don’t work. The only one who works is Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt ai like openly Christian, but he’s such a nice guy. You cannot fault him.
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Sure.
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He’s such a good guy. You can’t say him being
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so strange that they’re coming after Christians. It’s like it’s like, you know, I
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I ai Real Christians are the nicest fucking people
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you’ll ever meet. I know. Exactly. Yeah.
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They really follow Jesus’ principles. They’re ai, if you wanna use it as a meh, ai, as a if you want results, like, ai, their results are pretty fucking solid, man. Real Christians really follow it. Yeah. Some of the nicest people.
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And also, you know, you can disagree with them and and not fall out with them.
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Right. Clint Eastwood’s grandfathered in because he’s old as fuck. Like they still let him make movies.
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Who?
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Clint Eastwood.
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Oh, Clint.
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How dare you. Yeah. Ai.
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I like his late stage though. His ai stage of movies. Yeah. Like like those kind of documentary ai about ordinary people who get caught up in things. He did one Richard Ai, I think it was called, that was brilliant about sai security man who found an explosive ai at a gig. Oh.
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And because he pointed it out, they charged
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him with it. They meh that ai. Yeah. That guy got smeared all over the news. We all thought that he was the guy who bombed. Yeah. Yeah. We thought he was the bomber.
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In the film, he said he had one day of being a hero, and then it flipped to
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Oh my god. Ai a bomber, you know. It’s a that’s sai it’s so scary when things like that happen Yeah. To people because, you know but, Clint, he had this one film to me that is, like, the answer to the Spaghetti Westerns. That’s Unforgiven. I think Unforgiven.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sai think it’s the best Western of all time because I think it’s probably the most accurate about how fucked up life was back then.
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Have you ever read Larry McMurtry? No. He’s a Texan author. You gotta read Lonesome Dove. I
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Oh, I started Lonesome Dove, but I got distracted.
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There’s there’s something that happens about page a 100 and you will not be able to put it down after that.
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Spoiler alert.
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Yeah. Okay.
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Ai in there.
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But but those books those lonesome book, the lonesome book series by Larry McMurtry, I watched every Western differently after that because I suddenly realized what these people how brave these settlers were.
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Oh they were crazy.
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And and and also he writes about Indians and and oh sorry Native Americans brilliantly just as well as he writes about everyone else you know and they’re great books. They’re great books. You just cannot put them down. You do 800 pages. You’d read them in a in a week, you know.
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Well, I ai through a whole series of ai west books that I read, after I read, Empire of the Summer Moon. Oh. Yeah. Well, no. Not Empire of Summer Moon.
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No. I know which one you’re talking about. You’re talking about the Chiroke the the
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Ram it. How am I saying that wrong?
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Is it Cheyenne?
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No.
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Ai were they? Oh, I
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think I read a bit of Comanches.
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Comanches. That’s
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right. But what is the what is it called? What’s that? It is Empire of the
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Summer Moon.
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Yeah. Ai am I oh, I’m confusing it with that Leonardo DiCaprio movie. Movie afterwards.
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Right. Right. Right.
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But have they made Empire of the Summer Moon already? They’re working on it, I believe. Yeah. No. The I was thinking of the Leonardo I I was right. So Empire of the Summer Moon, which is all about the Comanches and all about the settlers and all about people that got slaughtered and you realize, like, how insane life was like.
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And I think Eastwood was the that was the closest, I think, to really getting it. Because I think he the I love those old spaghetti westerns. Don’t get me wrong. But they were this ai, like, bullshitty nineteen seventies version of the Ai West Sure.
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And
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Clint Eastwood never got shot and you know
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s more grit in in in in that one.
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And that was real. It was ai Sai believe it. I believe that the sheriff was a coward.
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01:24:22
Ai, it’s an interesting thing in that you might if you watch it again, you might notice, but but they all know each other it’s so weird they all go do you know William Dancy or whatever in Nagoya? Yeah I meh him and because it’s like even though they’re all spread out they all know each other sai it’s Ai bet you that’s based on research you know?
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I bet it is as well. Yeah. Yeah ai they had to know each other. But you know You’re fucking people and there’s no laws. Yeah. That’s You have to know who the dangerous people are.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Who will your money?
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Yeah. That was a great movie. Oh, fucking No. I love Clint. He’s he’s
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But he’s grandfathered in as a conservative. Jon Voight is kinda on the outs.
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But he
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was, you know
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But, you know, I remember I even kind of was worried about you in the early days. Like, I used to be a a bit of a a bit of a left wing twat myself. I I, you know, I I I famous one of the most famous things I did was, do you remember the, the saluting pug guy who Yes. Who got his yeah. Well, I I kind of joined in on all that, and I’m deeply ashamed of it.
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And I actually apologize to him at his I did a video and ai at a roast, that he did. Well, good
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for you.
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Because, like, you know, I just I I but I completely believe this is what I found out. Did do it. I completely believed he was a fascist because that’s what every publication was telling me.
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01:25:39
Right.
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And I was trusting all these people who eventually came out against meh. And and now I look back and I think Sai was just lied to consistently for all these years. And it’s meant that I have to readdress things that I’ve spent the last twenty five years thinking about, like but but I realize now I wasn’t really thinking deeply enough about them, like climate change.
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I was always so terrified of climate change, you know? Yeah. And and, you know, I’ve had about thirty years being terrified about climate change sana nothing’s happening. Well,
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go back and watch that stupid fucking movie that Al Gore made. Yeah. That movie’s so wrong in terms of its predictions. It’s Yeah. You know, in the benefits of hindsight looking back.
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01:26:20
I was told 2019 we’d all be underwater, you know?
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01:26:23
Well, it’s not just that. Have you ever seen one of those aerial time lapse photos of the coast? No. Yeah. Bitch doesn’t move. No. Right. He’s moved since ai eighties. It’s not going nowhere. The reality is
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01:26:33
Yeah.
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01:26:33
The fucking Earth’s climate has never been static. It’s never been flat. It’s never been super predictable. It’s always gone up and down. Yep. And the reality of our life is, yeah, we pollute, and it’s terrible, and we should definitely figure out better solutions. The reality is all that stuff that we’re putting in the air in terms of carbon dioxide, that is an issue.
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01:26:55
But also, particulates, also bryden dust, also when your tires wear out, where do you think they go? Yeah. They go in the fucking air. Like that brilliant
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01:27:06
Bill Burr routine. Is it when you throw away your, your your Apple charger, you know, do you think it just mysteriously disappears?
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01:27:13
Yeah.
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01:27:14
You know?
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01:27:14
It was not fucking a fill.
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01:27:15
A fucking yeah. Or a or a shark starts wearing it as a scarf, you know? That’s what it that’s what it is, you know?
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01:27:20
Well, there’s a lot of birds who eat bottle caps. That’s a real problem. You ever seen those terrifying photos of dead birds with stomach? Like, they’re rotted out and you see their stomach in full of bottle caps.
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01:27:31
No.
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01:27:32
Yeah. It’s a it’s a real issue.
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01:27:34
Yeah. It’s
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01:27:34
a real alright. That’s our problem. Our problem is pollution. Our problem is waste. Our problem is destroying of rivers and the ocean and oil spills. These are all problems. Climate change, this idea, the problem with it has become politicized, and it’s become a thing that you have to support just like you have to support trans ai.
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01:27:55
Just have you have to support this or that or whatever the fuck. Meh vaccinated.
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01:28:00
It’s never been more difficult or more or it’s never been made more frightening to do your own thinking. To actually sai it is now dangerous thing to do.
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01:28:09
Well, you’re literally told on mainstream news to not do it. Don’t do your own research
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01:28:14
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:28:15
Which is a crazy thing to tell people. In the the age of information, whether you have more access to reality and truth than ever historically, by
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01:28:24
far
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01:28:25
with human beings, Don’t do it. Yeah. Don’t use it. Don’t utilize it. Don’t utilize the greatest tool that ai has ever devised for figuring out what the fuck is going on. Don’t do
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01:28:35
it. And you see the the kind of mainstream news people in The UK, there’s people, like, who have podcasts ai Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart and and these ex news readers who are on this program called the Newsagents, and their job is to deliberately not know things. Right? It’s almost like I mean, I think I think you got the same thing over here with the with with the, with CNN and stuff.
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01:28:58
You know, their job is to just express confusion about it. Why is everything so and and they cannot actually address the issues because if they address the issues, they will start saying things that will get them canceled, you know. And so what you have is a kind of a chewing gum for for, information in The UK. It’s not real. It’s not actually information.
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01:29:20
It’s just it’s just these middle class people, very privileged people, gabbing away. They all think there’s no problem with, men and women’s spaces because they they will never have to use a shelter. They will never have to use a rape crisis center, God willing, you know. So these these people who actually are affected by these issues are the last thing on their minds.
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01:29:40
They are very comfortable middle class people who do not give a damn about anyone outside of their
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01:29:44
There’s also no benefit to rocking the boat. Yeah. If you you have to ai, like, what those people are ram mouthpieces. You’re just a mouthpiece for an organization who occasionally, unfortunately, for the network gets to express their true opinions on things, and usually you find out they’re fucking dumb. Yeah.
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01:30:02
Right? That happens all the time. Yeah.
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01:30:04
Yeah.
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01:30:04
And the really smart ones wind up leaving and going somewhere else and starting podcasts.
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01:30:08
But but some of them some of them it’s not their fault. Like the the the thing I was saying earlier about the chain of trust among doctors, the W Path breaking the chain of trust to such an extent is has affected the whole world, you know? So now we can’t trust our news readers to tell us the truth, they’re telling us sai man attacked a ai, a man attacks some people when it was really a woman.
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01:30:28
We can’t trust, doctors because doctors are are are telling these incredibly damaging things to kids. Kid comes in with a with depression. Oh, you’re trans. I’ll tell you. Here’s a story. Ai got this this is a story that really illustrates the problem. And and and it’s another problem with the press as well.
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01:30:45
But in New Zealand, there was a young girl. She was 16 years old, I believe, and she was autistic and anorexic. And her parents were first generation, I think, immigrants and had no idea what was going on. Right? She was suddenly saying she was a boy.
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01:31:02
They they didn’t know what what she was talking about, you know? And so they didn’t, they didn’t go with it. And she left home, right, encouraged by what they call a glitter family, which is a bunch of gay or trans identified people who love bomb her and tell her that she needs to get rid of her parents because her parents are bigots.
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01:31:22
So she moves in with this glitter family. They can’t deal with her because she’s autistic. So within a couple of months, she’s gone from the house. She’s nowhere to ai. Can’t go back home. Has told her parents she’s big they’re bigots. The New Zealand government, they meet her.
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01:31:37
They don’t diagnose her as autistic or as anorexic. They diagnose her as trans. They give her a hotel room. She died in the hotel room. She starved to death in the hotel room because the New Zealand government called her trans and forgot about a young autistic anorexic 16 year old girl.
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01:31:58
And and at the end of it shah was just about making up with her parents and she phoned her mother oh, sorry. Excuse me. That that would go down well. She phoned her mother, a few ai, and they were just about to make it up. And then she got a call from police, and she found out that the daughter had been in the hotel right around the corner from where she lived.
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01:32:19
So she left the house, went up into the room ai took a photograph of her daughter dead. No one would tell the story. It’s taken a year and a half to get this story out in New Zealand media because because no one cares. No one cares. Or it’s not that no one cares. It’s a trans story. So you just can’t get it out.
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01:32:38
And in every country, there’s always one or two activists who do everything they can. Like the journalist or the the people involved with that story were attacked by, I can’t remember his name, but there’s an activist over there, a very vicious activist, as there is in Ireland and The UK and and a few different places, and they’re always the parents of trans identified kids.
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01:32:57
You know, the the worst people, the worst activists, the most the most violent activists, Helen Joyce is a brilliant Irish writer and she pointed this out, they have done the worst thing that you can do to your kids. They have they have confused their kids and sometimes they have actually encouraged their kids to take these hormones and to take and to go through these procedures to have a to to be castrated, to have a double mastectomy.
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01:33:20
They will never be able to accept what they’ve done to their kids. And I know there was one Irish activist who’s been planning on transiting his kid for at least twelve years. Right? And now the kid is grown up. Of course, the kid is is is is is is is thinks they’re a man because they’ve lived with this homophobic parent, you know, who basically doesn’t like seeing gender non performing, behaviors in their child.
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01:33:43
So they sai, oh, actually, he’s a woman or he’s a man or she’s a man, you know. So so these are the people who are, you know, that that guy in New Zealand, he he even when the story came out, he still tried to attack the people telling it. Still he he he he put me in some sort of conspiracy, of creating a bigger deal about it than it needed to be.
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01:34:06
The young girl who died in a hotel room because they called her trans and just forgot about her, you know? Ai, how how how did it take a year and a half for New Zealand media to report on that in a country that small, you know? And there’s so many stories like this.
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01:34:20
Well, I think the dam is breaking because I think there’s been a lot of people that are fed up and they ai that that there’s irreversible harm being caused to people that are being tricked. These these stories of the detransitioners and them being attacked Yeah. Online for telling their story, which is true.
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01:34:41
Yeah.
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01:34:41
It’s a true story about them being confused and being told that they were trans and going through these procedures and deeply regretting it. Yeah. And then going back to their biological sai. They get it destroyed online.
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01:34:53
They get treated worse than anyone else, you know, because they arya living proof that it’s not, innate.
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01:34:59
It makes no sense. There’s no compassion. There’s no kindness.
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01:35:03
And I’ll tell you what else. It’s evil. And also, I’ll tell you what else. I have, on my I have an iPhone, ai? And whenever I write the word detransitioners on my iPhone, which I have caused to do quite a lot, it underlines it in red because it will not recognize the word exists.
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01:35:18
But is it because it doesn’t know the word yet? Yeah. But how does
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01:35:21
it say it?
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01:35:21
With cunt too.
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01:35:23
Yeah. But detransitioners isn’t a dirty word.
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01:35:25
Actually, it doesn’t do it with cunt anymore. Right. But they used to
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01:35:29
Well detransitioners is a dirtier word. Let me
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01:35:31
see if it works in America.
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01:35:32
Do you
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01:35:33
have an American iPhone? No. Ai be curious. I’m gonna I’m gonna text you
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01:35:38
right now. People ai sana go away and and try it. Try writing detransitioners and see if it underlines it. But, but you know and and but my point is that one of the
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01:35:49
Shah. Ai it. Yeah. Motherfuckers.
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01:35:52
There you go.
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01:35:53
Let’s see what if it gives me some suggestions. No replacement found. You have no I have no idea what you’re talking about. Exactly. It’s playing dumb.
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01:36:01
And that’s what Wikipedia is the same Wikipedia is moderated by trans activists.
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01:36:06
But that’s kind of crazy. Yeah. I wish I had my Android phone here. I would sana check that. Yeah.
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01:36:10
That’d be interesting. But Wikipedia has been there was a war within Wikipedia, I believe, where all the trans, trans ally moderators won. And now Wikipedia my Wikipedia page has basically been vandalized for years, you know? And and if I complain to a press authority that they call me anti trans, they go, well, it says it on your Wikipedia.
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01:36:32
Ai we’ve ai to change it, but it reverts back within fifteen minutes every time. So if anyone if anyone would like to do a class action suit against Wikipedia, I’d love to be involved if, if that ever
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01:36:43
Just for the record, cunt doesn’t show up with a red line.
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01:36:46
Okay. There you go.
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01:36:47
Detransitioner does, cunt does not.
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01:36:49
There you go. There you go. I wonder which, is it the actual but but my point, actually sorry, the reason I bring it up is because a lot of tech guys are tech because they’re, autistic, right? And they, a lot of coders arya, you know, you spend all your time writing in the dark and coding stuff, your interests go that way.
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01:37:11
So the trans thing has come up a lot as well from ai of manipulation by these tech guys who are who a lot of whom identify as trans. So we’re living in a world now where, like the underlying detransitioner, they are controlling what we think is normal and what we think is unusual.
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01:37:28
So to so to everyone now, we write down detransitioner, you doubt yourself cause there’s a red line underneath it. Oh, it mustn’t be a real word or it’s d and then a space maybe or whatever. But no, you’re right. It’s just these fucking tech guys are trying to confuse you, keep you unbalanced, you know, so that you can’t discuss this issue.
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01:37:47
That is a weird one because when did detransitioner first start being used? When did the term?
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01:37:53
I don’t know. I mean, you
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01:37:54
know The term is clearly when you you only use it with sex. Right? You know, you’re only using it with gender, whatever you sana say. Mhmm. Sex or gender.
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01:38:03
That’s the
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01:38:03
only detransition transitioning anything from some something to something else, that’s not ever done before. Ai I don’t remember ever using that term detransitioner in any other way.
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01:38:14
That’s interesting, possibly because, you know, this detrans thing is not as I say, it’s not real. It’s an artificial human invented thing.
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01:38:22
Yes. And it kind of implies regret. Yeah. The detransitioner stories are never happy ones.
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01:38:28
You know the American Southern Law Center?
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01:38:30
Have you ever
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01:38:31
heard of them? They have named Clo Cole. You know Clo Cole, the detransitioner? She’s doing brilliant work. They’ve named her as a as a far right simply because she’s going around telling her story.
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01:38:44
Oh. Ai think I’m far right too. They say I’m far right too.
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01:38:47
Oh, they say everyone’s far right. If you’re if you’re if you’re if you say anything that diverts from what a bunch of lunatics online have agreed is the truth, then you’re far right. Yeah. You know?
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01:38:58
Yeah. You can’t. You’re everyone’s politically homeless. We have to realize that. Start a shelter. Yeah. Call it the center.
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01:39:05
But I don’t think I don’t think the systems we have are gonna are gonna be are gonna last much longer. I think AI is going to change everything.
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01:39:13
I think you’re ai. And but I think reluctantly because there’s people that are in control of the system right now that are extracting enormous amounts of money, you know, with just fill in the blank of all the different special interest that have a hand in how much money gets distributed this way and that way.
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01:39:31
There’s so much of that that really fuels the decisions that are being made in this country.
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01:39:36
Sure.
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01:39:36
It’s not really the will of the people. It’s not really trying to make America great. Yeah. Ai, I mean, yeah, it is. But also, if you really wanted to do it, you wouldn’t do it this way. Yeah. If that’s what your main goal was if your main goal was to make money and give the illusion that we’re fixing all the problems that America has while fixing some of them, well then, that’s what you’re doing.
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01:39:56
Because that’s what your goal seems to be. Your goal is not the real goal should be ai letting AI have a look at everything. Like, what’s the best way to distribute all these resources and is really fair that this corporation gets to pollute the fucking ocean? Ai, let’s figure out what what’s what’s the right way to do this?
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01:40:14
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:40:15
And that’s gonna be horrifying for anybody in any position of power.
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01:40:18
It’s like you it’s like people say about your shah, you know, the reason Kamala wouldn’t wouldn’t didn’t come on is simply because there’s a certain breed of a politician who are Ai think dying out who are the kind of politicians that couldn’t survive three hours talking to you you know? Right. And and they I don’t think they’ve long left because things like this are the way people get their information now.
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01:40:39
So, you know, you you get these, like and it’s the only reason why people oh, I’ve got a good thing to tell you about AOC as well. It’s the only reason why people like AOC and and people like this are able to continue spouting nonsense. It’s because they don’t go on shows like this.
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01:40:56
Here’s an interesting thing. At one point, in my I still haven’t told you half the things I was gonna tell you. But at one point, a streamer did a, I I managed to take some money. I managed to stop the the the charity Mermaids from getting, funding from the National Lottery in The UK. Mermaids used to be a good organization.
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01:41:17
Dysphoria was very rare and they treated it as you should, right, with things like affirmation as a final step, not the first step. Okay? Surgery and drugs. Final. That’s what it should always be. And they were great. And then they, they, a woman named, Susie Green came on board.
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01:41:37
And Susie Green
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01:41:39
Does Susie have a penis?
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01:41:40
No. But her son did. Her son did. And Susie Green took over at Mermaids, transformed it into a mental institution, and and she she took her son to Thailand on his sixteenth birthday to have him castrated. You know? And and now and this and this kid has been brought up since they were four, five years old because she there’s a famous TED talk where there’s a hilarious you gotta see this TED talk.
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01:42:09
She does this TED talk and she’s got the, you know, the TED talk thing. So she looks like an expert. And she’s doing the hand movements ai they all do in TED Talks, right? Sai you think this is someone who knows what they’re talking about. And she just admits that the kid liked playing with girls’ toys, the husband didn’t like it, she decided it was really a girl. And that’s the TED talk.
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01:42:29
There’s no there’s no explanation of what trans is or or anything like that. It’s not gay. It just got yeah, exactly.
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01:42:35
Well, this is the reality
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01:42:37
that they
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01:42:37
don’t like. Yeah. The reality that they don’t like is if you leave them alone and you don’t encourage transition, the vast majority of them become gay men.
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01:42:45
It’s something like sixty to ninety percent. Yeah. It’s like leave them alone and they’ll be fine. The fastest cure for dysphoria in teenagers is leave them saloni, let them go through puberty. Because puberty is ai, a wonderful flushing of all the things that make you uncertain about yourself.
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01:43:02
To come to the end of the puberty is to meh rid of all that stuff. It’s still there in traces and so on, but that’s what puberty does, it cures itself. So these people are trying to fucking stop it. Right? Have you ever heard anything so meh? It’s like a James Bond villain.
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01:43:18
Something so demented about stopping puberty, this brilliant process that turns you from ram child into an adult. And they’re stopping it. These people are dangerous.
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01:43:26
They’re stopping in a line that the effects are reversible.
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01:43:30
One person at the Tavistock, one one doctor at the Tavistock sai that she was sure one of the parents who came in was a pedophile and wanted to keep their child in a state of arrested development so they could abuse them in hunger. You know? This is doctors at the Tavistock. And again, this stuff is not well known. If it was well known, it would be over, you know?
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01:43:54
Yeah, our fucking news has failed us.
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01:43:58
It really has. It’s allowed this to go on for ten years. It’s do you know about did you see what Andy Know’s, investigation into Trantifa? The the this this gang of, actually, Trantifa is a more general term, but there was an actual gang of trans identified guys, and women.
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01:44:16
And they, they went to this guy’s, this guy was this guy was, I think he was an old rancher or something. And they blinded him in an attack, you know. And then he went out to, he was going to testify at the trial, and they killed him. They killed him. So what what what we have with this group I can’t remember what they were called, I wish I could meh.
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01:44:38
But but what we have with this group is because no one has been doing their jobs, including the press and not talking about this properly, An entirely for fake terrorist group that thinks it’s a civil rights movement has formed out of nothing. These are middle class white guys, right, who normally would be, I don’t know, going to gigs and stuff.
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01:45:00
And and and this kind of violent civil rights group is formed for nothing. It’s it’s it’s it’s not defending anyone. It’s not helping anyone. It’s simply there to get men into women’s toilets, you know? And it just we’ve created it, and now we have to deal with it, you know?
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01:45:17
This kind of mirage of a civil rights movement, you know? Sorry, I’m not really being very clear because you are so much to say.
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01:45:25
So disturbing. Yeah. But it’s just you’re you’re sticking your neck out and talking about the worst aspects of this whole thing.
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01:45:32
One of the things that used to happen to me was I would talk about very specific people. Ai, for instance, there was someone who worked in Stonewall who who helped create their trans, policies, named Amy Challoner. And Challoner it was discovered that Challoner was the son of a bloke who had tied up and tortured a little girl in the attic of their home.
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01:45:57
He still continued to work with, Stonewall. He continued to use his father as an election agent. And when he was when he was, when he was reprimanded, they said he had absolutely no understanding of what was wrong, of what he had done wrong and so on, you know. These are arya this person was central to to to the trans movement in The UK. And there’s so many examples of this. There’s a guy called Peter Tatchell.
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01:46:23
Peter Tatchell has a long history of of of literally, promoting pedophilia as a, as something that’s sometimes enjoyed by the child. That’s how he puts it. It’s a famous letter he wrote to the Guardian where he said, I have many friends who who say they have experiences that ranged from nine to 13, that where they had entirely good outcomes with what are you talking about?
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01:46:49
Nine? Nine is rape. 13 is rape. What are you talking about? It doesn’t matter if they say they had good experiences. They were groomed, you know?
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01:46:58
And and this man is is has fairly is a fairly significant figure in The UK, you know? It’s it’s it’s a no investigation into these ai. No kind of talk about it. It’s again, it’s just completely ignored because as I sai, The UK is addicted to harming children, not talking about it, and only kind of saying, oh, what what could have happened years later?
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01:47:21
I just don’t understand why there’s not a larger population of people that have gotten completely fed up with this.
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01:47:29
It’s because the press sits on it. Most people don’t know it’s happening. Most people in The UK think I just went mad. They think I went meh, I started harassing women, some form of women, and blah blah blah. And they believe all the all the stories that have been reshared and reshared about me and, you know, and they just don’t know because, no, I’ve never in the eight years I’ve been fighting this, the only time I appeared on, like, mainstream TV to talk about these issues, and I sent this to Jamie, was when they ambushed me and they just berated me for five minutes.
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01:48:01
Sai journalist named Sarah Smith did the interview, who’s now the head of BBC in North America, I should say. And,
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01:48:09
how How’d she berate you, would shah say?
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01:48:11
Well, I I I was saying shah just simply didn’t believe it. The funny thing was some of our journalists were working on a story about the Tavistock at the ai, and and I was just saying, you know, kids are being hurt. Kids are being hurt in these gender clinics and it should be stopped, you know.
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01:48:25
And and she was like, you’re seriously saying that doctors are blah blah blah blah blah. And she just couldn’t it was so weird, she just couldn’t and the stuff I’d known to be true, that I’d been studying for years, she just wasn’t across it, you know? So the journalists aren’t across it because it’s not worth their while to to to be across it, and they’re actually slowing down the understanding of what this is about, you know, because they they approach it so, gingerly, and and they don’t offend anyone, and they don’t sana be vatsal.
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01:48:55
So there’s no conversation about it. There’s no conversation about it.
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01:48:57
Well, the journalists have no security because it’s not, let’s be sana, to be a talking head on the news is it’s not that difficult to do. Sure. And there’s a lot of people out there that are handsome and beautiful and they would take your role. Mhmm. And so you have a salary where you make x amount a year and it’s pretty ai, and you get to be the presenter on television.
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01:49:15
They don’t sana rock that fucking boat. Yeah. There’s no benefit to rocking that boat. It’s the people who go
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01:49:21
the extra ai. Like, I was I was, you know, people who I I can’t bring my old friends who worked with me into this fight. I can’t say, look, you gotta stand up for me, you know? But I have begged people to help, you know, like Did you go on any podcast in The UK? Not really, no.
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01:49:37
Again, the online speak, because it’s so audience facing, they would have just got tons of abuse for having me on, you know. Even trigonometry? Ai, no. Trigonometry had me on. Yeah. Yeah. But ai, but like in terms of, you know, yeah, there’s a few, but I don’t know. It just never quite broke out.
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01:49:55
In fact, to be honest with you, I’ve been I’ve been thinking of this opportunity for the last eight years.
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01:50:01
Come on here? Yeah. Why didn’t you reach out earlier?
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01:50:04
Ai an idiot, you know. I just didn’t think it would be I thought you’d have a backlog of years and so on.
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Well, I do kinda, but I do it all based entirely on who I wanna talk to. Okay. Cool. Yeah. The whole, from the beginning of the podcast, it’s all, you know, this is an interesting story.
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Yeah.
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This ai fascinating. She’s got a crazy thing that she studied.
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Sure.
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Ai, let’s talk.
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Oh, and I should sai, also, you know, while I was going through COVID and canceled, I did write this book, unpaid, because I ai Sai I was promised there’d be a back end, and then the book came out and all booksellers started hiding the book in
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Oh my ai.
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In shah. So if anyone wants to help out ai book is called Tough Crowd and, and is available on Amazon. So did
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you do the audio? Yeah.
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The audio is good actually. I’m happy with the audio.
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I’m sure you did it.
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Oh. That’s
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great. That’s
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very nice.
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That’s awesome. Yeah. Ai always very happy when especially ai someone’s telling a story about their own life.
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Yeah. No. I’m proud of I’m proud of it. It was really good fun. And, you know, quite interesting to read out your own story. Sai weird, you know?
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Yeah. But, Have you thought about leaving The UK?
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I’ve left.
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01:51:15
You have left totally.
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I have to leave. Ai I I’m on trial next month in The UK. For what? A trans activist has brought another, has complained to the police about me again, you know? And and so I have to go back to, to UK to be tried at the August because the police are complicit with these guys,
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01:51:33
you know. And what is this complaint about?
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It’s it’s a complaint, how much I can’t really talk much about it because because I can’t my bail conditions are not to talk about it.
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01:51:43
Oh ai god.
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But I’ll be talking about it when it’s done, I’ll enjoy that, you know, because this the whole situation is so hilarious. When people find out what’s really going on, they’re gonna be I can talk about there’s one guy who’s oh yeah, there’s there is a connection with the guy I was telling you at the start, the very first guy who The Guardian wrote about, you know?
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So it’s ai, it’s just basically a gang. Ai compare it’s been ai being attacked by Batman villains for the last eight years. Do you know what I mean? Most bizarre group of people have been able to sue me and and there’s one actor, Scottish actor, who destroyed a gay business, who’s sued it suing me at the moment.
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I’ve been in litigation for about eight years, for one reason or another, because Ai never ai because I don’t have the money to sue people. So people are constantly suing me, reporting me to the police. I’ve been visited by the police three three or four times. You know, that was one of the things that really scared my wife when they sent the police to my house, you know.
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And and it was pressures like that that broke us up, you know, along with not having an income. So and now the the people who did that to us make fun of me because I’m divorced, you know. So it’s like, it’s it’s it’s just a really evil bunch of, like, you know I I don’t I I guess it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s a natural part of the Internet in some way to have a hate figure, you know?
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But by Ai, it should scare everybody how easy it is to become a hate figure when you’ve not done anything wrong, you know?
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01:53:16
Yeah. And if you don’t have a voice Yeah. How difficult it is to defend yourself.
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And, you know, and also
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And people arya, like, shying away from your ability to defend yourself. Yeah. They don’t want you on because they don’t want to catch strays.
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01:53:29
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like there’s a guy who I first put on TV in The UK. You may know him, Ram Norton. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like, I I gave him his first TV appearance, okay, in father Meh. And he he went on TV and said something like, cancel culture didn’t exist as consequences culture. And he knows very well what I’ve been through.
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And he knows very well that I’m not saying anything bigoted. And yet he still says this, as if I haven’t had my life completely destroyed. He knows those.
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It was in reference to you that he was saying that?
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No, I don’t think so. I think he just you
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know He’s spouting the narrative.
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He’s spouting the narrative, you know? Yeah.
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He’s showing that he’s a good boy.
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Yeah. Meh. He’s gonna follow the rules. Exactly.
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And that’s what’s scary. A lot of people fall into that, that you would hope wouldn’t.
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Well, that’s what I find so that’s one of the reasons why I came here. I I can’t live in The UK anymore. As far as I’m concerned, free speech does not exist in The UK. Sai it’s certainly as far as I’m concerned.
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01:54:23
Well, we’ve highlighted on the show how many people have been arrested, ai, when Constantine from Trigonometry gave me those figures, I couldn’t believe it. It was mind boggling.
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01:54:33
The UK is involved. Basically, The UK likes nothing better than sweeping stuff under under under the rug.
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Well, not just that but
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That’s why that’s why Rotherham went on for thirty years, you know. What went on? The Rotherham abuse scandal. All these taxis all these taxi drivers, Pakistani taxi drivers were abusing kids over over thirty years, like local girls, local white girls, doing the most appalling things to them.
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And, it was just everyone’s scared of being a racist, so they just let it go on. And it’s the same thing with this. And and, you know, I always think of when we were talking about Oliver and Stewart earlier, like, they said the puberty blockers were reversible about two years ago.
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How many kids since then have gone on puberty blockers? Partly because of what they said, you know? It’s like it’s like people have got to realize, you know, Graham Norton saying that about cancel culture, John Stewart saying that about puberty blockers, their words have consequences, you know.
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Yeah. And real people can be hurt, you know? People just spout off stuff.
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And not people that deserve it. No. And this is the thing, this this casting of othering on people, ai, instantaneously.
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I had I never had a a pro I’ve never had anyone accusing me of anything on a set. I always got on great with all my actors. I knew all my crew’s name. That was one thing I always I developed a skill because I’m terrible with names normally, but I I learned every crew member’s name.
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I’ve not been in any way controversial until this. And then the moment I started saying: Hey, hang on a sai. And all of my friends, you know, all the friends who betrayed me, the hat trick, and my friends on the TED musical, all they had to say was: Of course women deserve fair sports.
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Of course women deserve single sex spaces. That’s all they had to sai. And they can’t do it. They can’t do it. It’s such an obvious moral thing, you know?
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Obvious. And that’s what’s amazing about the power of cults. And people do not like to think that they’re in a cult. But if if you have no room for objectivity and logic, and you hold things as doctrine that don’t make sense, they could be easily argued against. And if you get very violent when someone argues against that, you’re in a cult.
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Yeah. But also, there’s people who don’t get violent, but they they’re also in a cult, but they don’t realize it because, like, when I was talking about the chain of trust, ai? If you’re a newsreader and you get a piece of copy that says, talks about a newborn baby and uses the word ai at birth, their sex is the sex they were assigned at birth, right?
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That’s ideological language. Your sex is not assigned at birth, your sex is observed, in utero usually, a few months before birth, okay? So assigned at birth is ideological language. So what you have is a lot of people now using the word ai at birth. They don’t know why. It’s because that was decided to be the correct terminology.
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And it is nonsense,
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you know? Full nonsense. Yeah. Biological nonsense. Yeah. We’ve known it forever. You could check chromosomes. Yeah. It’s not hard.
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But it’s ai it’s like, you know, we’ve we’ve become hypnotized by appearances to into such an extent that, you know, you you meh a, like every single there’s a very funny thing. You
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01:57:46
mean appearances of like virtue and appearances?
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No Ai mean avatars.
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As a human?
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Yeah Ai mean actual ai. It’s the idea that you’re a woman if you look like one is like when did that come from? Ai did that come from? And especially in a world where people can use filters and all sorts of things. The guy who came after me in The UK, his latest female name is the third or fourth name he’s had.
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It’s just he hit on one that he could report people to the police if they said, Hey, hang on a meh, you owe me money from three months rent. He would report them for anti trans harassment. Oh my god. You know? And and so, you know, it’s They’re just nutty people.
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Yeah. And it’s just appearances.
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If you’re a dude and you
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change your name more than once, even if you change your name once Yeah. Unless you’re a boy named Sue The whole
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thing I need
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to know why you changed your fucking name.
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01:58:38
Exactly. It’s hang on a sec. If these people are are becoming who they really are, why are they cutting off pieces of themselves? That’s not them. That’s someone else. Why are they cutting why you know what I mean? It’s like, if they’re being who they really are, why are you changing your name?
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01:58:54
Right. Well, this idea of affirming, ai, gender affirming care
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01:59:00
Yeah.
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You know, to call hormone replacements, castration. The the craziest one is the penis that they make out of the leg muscle.
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Oh, I didn’t know that one.
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Oh. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. It’s horrific.
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Right.
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Shane Gillis one night in the green room of the mothership Yeah. Started pulling out all these pictures.
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Oh, yeah. No. I never watch I never look at pictures of it. Because of the
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Internet now, we have a lot of data on what this is. And, they do it so they could stand up peeing. That’s it. You can’t
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Oh, the freaking fake fake penis
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thing. Exactly. Phalloplasty.
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Do you know what the worst Ai saw was? What? Okay. We’ve noticed that when you see these girls, they often take photographs just after the double mastectomy. Okay? Yeah. And they’re all they’re they’re they’re smiling and they’re they look delirious with happiness because this thing they’ve been bargaining with their parents for for years, they ai got it.
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They’ve got these terrible looking, you know, wounds over their breasts and so on. And they’re just kind of, you know, they’re still out of their mind with the, with the with the drugs that they’ve taken to to go on them. Oh, fuck. I forgot meh I brought this up. What were you talking about just before that?
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Fake penises.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And we’ve noticed in these photographs that a lot of the girls have, self harming scars all over their bodies, okay? And this fucking double mastectomy, this unnecessary double mastectomy, is the latest one. These bastard doctors just carried out on her.
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02:00:30
Anyway, I saw a penis that had been do you know the way they take the flesh off the arm?
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Or the leg, yeah.
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Or or the leg?
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Yeah.
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I saw a penis that had been made out of the arm of one of these girls and these self harming scars were all over the penis. Oh, God. You know? Did you know the first vaginoplasty was was carried out by a Nazi? I got into trouble because I compared because because, a magazine in The UK, misreported something I’d said and said that I was comparing trans activists to Nazis.
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And you know
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So when did this happen? The Nazis did that?
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Oh, no. What happened was I think his name was Erwin Arya and he was working in some clinic before the war, and then he went on to, join the Luftwaffe, and then he became he was one of the scientists who tortured people at Belsen. That’s the first person who did a vaginoplasty.
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Jesus Christ.
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So these are literally Nazi experiments that are now, you know, that we’re now arguing that kids should do. It’s a ai I kinda thought this cover you would make that face a few times in this conversation. But, you know, yeah. It’s just and and and the thing is
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02:01:47
I went down a rabbit hole one night where I was watching people talk about their ai, How they have to keep something in there to keep the wound from closing up.
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It’s a Cronenberg movie. You know Cronenberg? David Cronenberg? Sure. Yeah. It’s just like that. Yeah. It’s horrific.
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It’s just it’s wild. What’s that? Institute for Sexual Research served as the worst first trained clinic. By 1930, it performed its first modern gender affirming surgery. So it’s 1930.
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02:02:11
That’s a yeah. But I don’t think that’s the place that’s being, that that I’m talk talking about. Yeah. No. That’s Magnus Hirschfeld. Magnus Hirschfeld. This is a big thing that trans activists say that there was all this the Nazis destroyed all this all this trans history. It’s not true.
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02:02:26
They they they they they went after him because he was Jew. That’s why they went after him. The idea that the first ram if you look at the first few pages of Google search results, if you put in anything about trans, you’ll get three three or four pages of absolute nonsense, you know, of of stuff that another thing, Fred Sargent I’m just remembering all the stuff I wanted to say to you.
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02:02:47
Fred Sargent, you gotta try and get him on. He’s he’s he’s getting on. And he was ai he’s a he’s a gay guy who was there at every single night of the Stonewall ai, you know. And he is still on Twitter, still fighting. He’s he’s fucking great. He went on to he he arranged a first ai march in New York.
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02:03:07
He was highly instrumental in, gay rights in The US and in winning civil rights for gay people in The US. He’s had to watch as as these trans actors just make up lies about any transvestite who happened to be in the area. There’s one guy oh, I forgot his name. Arya. Marshall. Marsha something. And I’m sure you’ve heard all these this thing again.
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02:03:30
It’s another one of these kind of, thought terminating cliches that, you know, trans people won you your rights and trans people were were through the first bracket at, Stonewall. It’s bollocks, you know, like the Arya person they’re talking of, was purely peripheral character.
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02:03:47
And the person who really kicked it off, who has been sort of is being gradually erased, was, a lesbian who’s, ah, her name because again, being raised from my memory because I haven’t haven’t used it so long. But it was a lesbian who who shouted out to the crowd as she was being forced into a police car, why why aren’t you guys doing anything?
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02:04:07
And that’s what kicked off the riot. And and that history and that contribution by lesbians and gay men is being erased by trans rights, activists in front of Fred’s eyes. So Fred is on Twitter saying no that’s not true just over and over again. You know, he lived it. He was right at the center of gay civil rights in The US and in his last few years he has to watch these idiots pick apart and lie about the true history of gay rights in America.
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02:04:34
The thing is we’re dealing with an oppressive ai. And if you’re more oppressed than anybody, you take the supreme position. You’re the person to be cherished. And anybody underneath you, regular gay people Yeah. Are below trans people Yeah. In the suppression hierarchy. Well, the Trans people are the apex.
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02:04:56
Oh, yeah. They’re a sacred class. A sacred class.
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Yes. And that’s what’s weird because that is kind of homophobic. Yeah.
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02:05:02
Of course. Did did did and also, one of the things we learned with Ireland, right, and the Catholic Church scandal is no sacred classes. There should be no sacred classes because sacred classes have a lot of power and power is misused all the time. Always. Yeah, so the idea of a sacred, like I don’t know whether you noticed but girl guiding in The UK What does that mean? You know the scouts? Meh, yeah.
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02:05:28
Girl ai. They have a rule, very strict rules for meh, Okay? Men cannot go over speak the night overnight in a tent with girls, go on trips, all this sort of stuff. So there’s all sorts of very sensible rules, to do with men in girl guiding because you’re dealing with kids. Okay? Young girls.
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02:05:48
Those rules, they don’t just soften for trans identified meh, they disappear. So if a man says that he’s a woman, as a transvestite, all those rules that that’s so that are so important for protecting kids disappear. And trans identified men can now take girl guided groups out on on trips without any of the In
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02:06:12
the woods?
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02:06:13
Yeah, Ai don’t know where they go but yeah.
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02:06:15
I’d imagine if you’re camping.
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02:06:16
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, it’s, it’s, and what’s insane about it is because, you know, people who are sane aren’t being interviewed arya being losing their jobs, losing
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their
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voices. No one can raise the alarm about this, you know? And we’re only The
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02:06:36
vast majority of people listening to this would highly disagree with all these policies. Yeah. The vast vast majority. Exactly. It’s a very small and very very vocal minority.
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02:06:49
Yeah. But but that’s the thing. The Internet makes giants out of, you know.
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02:06:53
But it’s also people go along with it knowing it’s a part of the ideology that they adhere to. That’s all it is. They get locked into Ai a left wing progressive person, so therefore Ai support that.
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02:07:03
Yeah. And I’m Ai still astonished that tribalism can go to such an extent that you harm children, you know. I I find that extraordinary.
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02:07:11
It is extraordinary, but it just shows you how powerful it is. Yeah. How powerful tribalism really is, and how people would justify the most horrific of things if it fits into this narrative that they have decided is a part of their identity.
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Yeah.
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02:07:23
And a lot of people do that, man. There’s a giant percentage of people that their political identity, which includes that, if you’re progressive, it includes all this this trans stuff. Your political identity is more important than your family. It’s more important than anything. People ostracize family members if they don’t agree with the ideologies.
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02:07:41
Isn’t that interesting? That’s a big thing. Another another story for you. I met this, journalist. I think she’s also a therapist, but her name is Tina Traster and she wrote a piece for Ai Today. She’d already written some articles in the past for it and she wrote a new one, sana this is ai you know established magazine Ai Today, and she wrote a piece about how trans identified kids were becoming homeless, but they weren’t homeless because their parents had rejected them.
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02:08:11
They were homeless because they’d rejected their parents. The parents sai misgendered them one too many times or couldn’t really take it seriously or whatever it happens to be. These kids leave, you know. These kids leave and and and they go off, and they get you know, they become homeless or whatever it happens to be or they move in with glitter families or whatever it happens to be.
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02:08:28
But they lose contact with their parents and she said well this is usually the choice of the trans identified child. That the piece was taken off the next night and all her previous pieces were removed because she wrote that. Oh ai god. You know? And there’s so many people I know in this and it happened in ai like like wonderful woman named Sasha White who was in publishing and she lost her publishing career and is now sai as me Ai had to I had to go back to journalism ai I should plug it I I have a website called the Glitter Update and my website saloni with a few others, Bryden and a few others, is the are the only, websites cataloguing all this insanity for the last eight years, you know.
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02:09:11
We’re the only ones doing it. No one else is is covering it. So I think that when, you know, when when people tally up the score at the end of it, you will be surprised meh many people have a similar story to ai, you know. It’s not ai like I was counsel but I’m sai I ai a something of a name but I know so many people: Police women who’ve lost their jobs, prison wardens, you know, people in all walks of life, ordinary people who are constantly running afoul of these lunatics because they’re not being backed up by the adults in the room.
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02:09:43
It’s so bad that in The United States there’s men who identify as women with fully functional penises that are locked up in women’s prisons.
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02:09:50
Yeah. It’s like and and and I saw, Joyce Carol Oates today, who’s a who’s a a writer, suspense ai, and she occasionally dips her toe into this subject just to show how little she knows about it and then she she doesn’t talk about it again for a few months. But but what what was how did someone put it?
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02:10:09
They said they said something like the someone someone joked about her sai shah refused to believe that there were men and women’s prisons. How many are there? You know? Hundreds is the answer. But but you give all the answers, they just ignore them. They never take it on. They never take it on board.
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02:10:23
But like, these policies are so bizarre that the people supporting them don’t even believe what they’re supporting. Does that make sense? Shah thinks that there’s no issue, that it’s not a problem, that trans people are all great because she has one lovely trans friend who’s never been rude to her, right?
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02:10:45
But the truth is that there’s so many different types of people in the world and again if you move the line for criminals, you don’t think criminals will take that opportunity? You know? I read an interesting thing about, when cops are looking for someone. If they hear, for instance, they’re parked at a supermarket, their their arya is parked at a supermarket, the first thing they do is they drive around all the disabled spaces.
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02:11:09
Because criminals love parking in disabled spaces to park because they think, well, that’s just for the ordinary ai, I’m, you know, that that doesn’t count for me. So the first thing they do is they they check out the cars in the disabled spaces to see if it matches their their thing.
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02:11:23
That’s what the criminal mindset is. So if you suddenly sai, well, now our sai is actually internal and it doesn’t depend on appearance and so on, you don’t think criminals are gonna go ai on a meh, that means I could just waltz into place x and and have a look at, you know, the women in there and no one will throw me out.
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02:11:40
And it’s true. It’s true. That is the situation.
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02:11:43
And progressives will defend it ai.
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02:11:45
Yeah. And putting
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videos of women screaming at men to get out of women’s ram.
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02:11:50
Yeah.
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They’ll they’ll call that woman a bigot.
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02:11:52
Yeah. Yeah. The famous We Ai incident, which the Guardian misreported three ai. Yeah. You know? Calling it a hoax. And it was a sex offender named, I can’t remember, Darren something. But it was a sex offender who was getting his dick out in front of these women and kids, because it was ai an open thing for women and kids, you know.
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02:12:09
And they’ll defend it. And they did defend it. Back out the mustache. Do you remember him? I think he’d be a bit of a bigot.
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02:12:15
I think he deserves a bit. You know Yeah. How do they even know? Maybe it’s not maybe he’s not saying he’s trans, you know? But they will automatically defend a fucking sex offender over a woman complaining about it.
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02:12:27
Which is wild.
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It really is.
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02:12:28
A woman with a child. It’s wild. Yeah. It really is. It’s it’s it just shows you how much gets thrown out the window, and how much rational thinking, and how much logic, and how much reason, and how much objectivity. It all gets thrown out the window if it doesn’t align with your ideology. Yeah. Meh.
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02:12:44
That’s that’s what’s so bizarre about, you know, again, what Elon calls the woke mind virus. I think that’s the right term for it because it is like a mind virus.
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02:12:53
Oh, yeah.
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02:12:53
Absolutely. Just like a virus that fucks up your computer, it fucks up people’s minds.
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02:12:57
Yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s wreaking havoc and people won’t realize it until Ai would say maybe ten years when the first when when the generation of kids who’ve been taught since since they were very, very young there’s one comedian in LA who said that her her who said that his child, announced he was, the opposite sex at four.
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02:13:20
Right? And he’s now got a second trans child. Okay? So this that’s not that’s abuse. That’s abuse. Okay? Let’s call it what it is. It’s abuse.
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02:13:31
If you confuse your child that you spend years convincing them they’re the opposite meh, You know? What is that? That’s psychological abuse.
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02:13:41
This is this is virtue flag that they love to fly by saying that they have trans kids. When you look at the percentage of people in Hollywood that have trans kids, it’s off the charts.
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02:13:52
Oh, did you see the Cynthia Nixon video? Oh, I did. Yeah. My child is trans. Their friends are trans. She doesn’t seem to put it together with with with double mastectomies and all the other horrors to do with this.
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02:14:04
And they’ll they’ll live in this very bizarre ai bubble where you’re allowed to think about things in a very narrow scope.
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02:14:10
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:14:11
And this is very strange. It’s very strange that this thing that was very, very unusual in the past is now very prominent.
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02:14:20
Yeah. And the worst thing that happened to it was they gave it a label. It’s like if they called anorexia something more attractive, you know? If they called it something like well, I think they do actually on some forums and pro pro sana, I think they call it, where people get online to discuss their the way they avoid, eating properly and the way they regurgitate food and so on, you know.
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02:14:41
It’s what they call a community, right? But it’s not a good community.
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02:14:45
Well there’s a lot of bad communities. There’s communities of minor attracted persons online.
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02:14:49
Yeah exactly, and that’s another thing that’s kind of gradually getting chipped away at as well with all this stuff because if a child can decide at nine or 13 or whatever it happens to be that they’re trans and thereby lose their future fertility and so on, then what other decisions can a child make, you know? And of course those children aren’t making those decisions. The parents are making the decisions for them. Ai.
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02:15:14
I meh,
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02:15:16
the reality of human beings is that we’re very malleable to culture, very malleable to the whims of society and
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02:15:23
There’s a great reason for that though. I’m sorry Sai don’t mean to cut across. Well you know we’re very imitative species and part of the reason why the human race has survived to the extent that it has and thrived to the extent that it has is because we are imitative. So when, for instance, we started moving into the Ecuadorian forest, we started making ai and canoes and stuff like this, you know, it was passed on, you know.
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02:15:49
Now that’s a wonderful part of human survivability and evolution. But what happens when the Internet gets involved, right? And you get that iterative or not iterative, mimetic kind of behaviour that human beings are so prone to? Of course it’s sana lead to something like the trans movement, you know. Because what are you promising with trans? If someone decides they’re trans, what are you promising?
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02:16:13
You’re promising to be love bombed by all your friends, you know, to be praised to the hilt in the press and to, you know, women as well. Women fawn over trans identified men. Unfortunately, a lot of this is driven by women, you know. Women are the ones fighting it. But also there’s a lot of women involved in pushing it as well.
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02:16:34
It almost seems to be like a kind of self ai, I’m so good that I don’t mind if men come into my spaces, you know? And they don’t seem to ai that, yeah, you can agree for that for yourself but you can’t agree for that for everyone else, you know? So and apparently women are on you know, when we’re talking about the mimetic quality that the human race has, there’s also a quality, apparently, that women have where they will they tend to go along with the majority viewpoint, whatever the majority viewpoint is.
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02:17:05
And the reasons for that are quite understandable, you know, you have a part of the human race who is smaller, weaker, you know, they have to be more amenable. They have to be more accommodating, you know, and that empathy is being weaponized against them, you know. And sai with gay people.
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02:17:27
Like if you I’m a great believer in what they call queer spaces, because I think of, things like Warhol’s Factory and, John Waters films, like, you know, his kind of trashy movies. John Waters, he made he’s a gay guy who made all these films in Baltimore. He made more, what did he make, Hairspray, that was his most famous.
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02:17:49
But in the early days he had a film set that was just filled with outcasts and criminals and, you know, he’d have the craziest people carrying the equipment and stuff like this. It was a welcoming space for ai, and that’s what a lot of gay spaces are ai, okay? And that’s why there’s a lot of sympathy for trans identified people.
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02:18:09
But, again, that sympathy and that inclusion is being weaponized against the people who are and it’s destroying these spaces, you know? One of the first things I heard was a a a young woman who wrote to meh. She said she was in a gay bar with a trans woman and who she’d known for ages. She’d considered considered considered, himher a friend, him a friend.
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02:18:32
And this, she was a lesbian and he said to her, would you ever consider a relationship with me? And she said, no, sorry. I’m only interested in, you know, female people. He slapped her across the face and walked out. That’s the level of entitlement these straight men have to lesbians.
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02:18:50
He slapped her across the face in a gay club. And if and if anyone had found out the reason, she would have been thrown out.
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02:18:58
Well, they don’t. There’s there’s a thing that’s going on too. They don’t think that it’s a man attacking a woman. Yeah. They think it’s a woman attacking a woman.
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02:19:05
It’s insane. And and and it’s part of the reason why I’ve been so because when you put the word woman on anything, it it sounds like I’ve been harassing women. Right. Right. Right.
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02:19:14
It’s a it’s a weird distortion of the truth. Yeah. Ai it’s weird that it’s so accepted. It’s weird that it’s not pushed back against in this day and age where so many people have a voice.
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02:19:23
And again, the chain of trust is broken, you know, because, like, you comedians can’t joke about it, you know. I I saw Well,
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02:19:30
comedians are probably the last people that can joke about it.
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02:19:33
Yeah. But I don’t see it a lot even over here.
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02:19:35
It And Come at the show tonight.
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02:19:36
Oh, well, oh, if there’s a show, I’ll tell them. But ai, the thing that I tend to see is there’s a sort of I saw Anthony Jesinick doing this. He said something like, we know so much more about trans people now. It’s like: no you don’t, you know? You know just as much as you did ten years ago, even less. Because there really is no such thing, you know?
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02:19:57
It’s a non stable category that’s been applied to everyone ram fucking criminals who are trying to get an easy time in bryden, to young girls cutting their breasts off. Nothing connects these people, you know? Nothing connects them. So comedians are still on unsteady ground. They don’t really know how to talk about it, you know?
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02:20:15
Because you’re like everyone else, we’re all ai bamboozled by all the language and so on, you know. So I find that even in Meh, I find that trans issue doesn’t come up a lot, but maybe
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02:20:25
to It comes up.
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02:20:26
Right.
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02:20:27
Yeah. It comes up a lot more in America, I think.
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02:20:29
Yeah.
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02:20:29
Well, we don’t have to worry about going to jail. You know, the reality is you you you people are getting thrown in jail for Facebook posts.
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02:20:37
Yeah. No. It’s true.
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02:20:38
Not a small amount. No. Thousands every year.
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02:20:41
Yeah. And it’s so selective. You know, it’s so selective. You get you get What
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02:20:45
do you think is the ultimate goal of this? Ai, don’t you think people that are reasonable and sensible are just gonna bail out of The UK and leave it a mental institution?
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02:20:53
I don’t know. I mean, I had to. I had to. I Ai I meh I I the last few months Ai was in The UK, I felt so paranoid and afraid because I just thought, I barely exist as a person here. I I exist only to get sued and and and and and for the police to visit me. Otherwise Ai have to
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02:21:11
go over there to deal with the lawsuit? What if you never sana go back?
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02:21:14
Well, you know
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02:21:15
Can you say fuck that place?
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02:21:16
No. Because I tell you what, it’s such I can’t talk much about the case, but it’s it’s it’s gonna not it’s not gonna go well for the police. And I’m hoping that it will, open up a lot of people’s house.
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02:21:26
How good is your legal system over there? Is it rigged?
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02:21:29
Well, this ai, as I say, this kind of guy ai a sex offender, he has been able to use the legal system to harass his enemies for about eight years and no one seems to be able to stop him. Oh, yeah. You know? So it is what it is. The whole play is but again, it’s because of the empty chair at the top, because Keir Starmer is such a coward and his Labour Meh, like one MP, David Ram, who’s now the foreign secretary, he thought men could grow a cervix.
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02:21:58
There was another
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02:22:00
So how did he think that was gonna happen?
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02:22:01
He said I don’t know much about it, but my understanding is trans women can grow a cervix. What? I know. I know.
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02:22:10
Ai, that would be an interesting paper. Someone would ai. You know what I mean? Yeah. I could imagine if that could actually be done, which is probably going to happen
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02:22:20
Yeah.
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02:22:20
Within our lifetime maybe, but surely in the next hundred years, they’re gonna be able to artificially manipulate a person and actually turn a man into a woman.
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02:22:29
Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Well, I mean They’ll
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02:22:31
probably only do it once, like one way. Right. You know, you can’t go back.
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02:22:34
No detransitioners. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s the position a lot of these detransitioners are detransitioners are in. They’re all, you know, they’ve been castrated, you know. And Richie Tulip who who who said it was almost like a dream. He was just being, you know, he he he thought he was ram.
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02:22:49
People were telling him who he was and so on. And he said he remembered just before the, before the anesthetic took hold. He remembered just before he closed his eyes thinking this is a mistake.
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02:23:00
Oh, no. Oh, God. Oh, God.
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02:23:04
Isn’t it horrific? He had to apologize to even more people than me because he was a he was a big trans activist, and he had to ring people up and apologize for losing them their jobs and stuff like ai, you know.
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02:23:14
Oh my god.
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02:23:14
This is a really, really good plug. Sai, yeah. Anyway, I can’t remember how we got onto that.
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02:23:21
Well, it’s just the strangeness of our time where this is a controversial thing to talk about that this can get you in trouble. And there’s so many cowards out there that don’t recognize that what everything you’re saying rings true. That they won’t talk to you, cast you out of their social circle.
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02:23:37
Yeah. Won’t support what you’re saying, which is super logical stuff.
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02:23:43
Oh, I I Ai have a therapist friend, Stella O’Malley, one of one of my someone who has been there for me throughout all of this. And, she nearly lost her license just for talking to me ai, you know. I mean, that’s how bad it is. My my my even in exchange, that’s nothing to do with the subject can be used as a, oh, you know, Grey Lynn Hutton. So Jeez.
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02:24:06
They tried to take her license. She’s one of the people who are actually fighting the real fight. She’s part of a group called Speak, and they, you know, they recognize it as a mental illness, and they try and treat it as gently and without harming the child as they can, you know?
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02:24:24
And she’s another person who’s been vilified and lost opportunities, I’m sure. But, you know, if you have a if you’re a parent and you’re going through this stuff, Genspect is the is the place to contact, you know, because they will they will show you how to deal with it properly.
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02:24:38
Well, I think for people in America to hear this is important because this is why the first amendment is so critical here. Your ability to express yourself is so critical. And this is why social media can really help because you can’t just let people get destroyed for something they’re saying that makes total sense. You can’t.
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02:24:57
That doesn’t make any sense. And you can’t just stand oddly by and watch that happen and not open your mouth. It’s crazy. That’s how more of this is gonna happen.
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02:25:06
Yeah.
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02:25:06
It’s, you know, it’s just a very bizarre time we’re in right now.
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02:25:11
I I’ve never seen I mean, Ai speak to people, you know, in their seventies and eighties and said, have you ever seen anything like this? You know, this level of confusion around an issue and and threats and and and the press refusing to talk about it. And have you ever seen anything like it?
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02:25:29
And the answer is always no. You know, it’s been unprecedented. And I think, you know, again, beyond the actual debate itself, we really have to talk about the Internet properly. We’ve all just floated into this world that’s totally different where our every pronouncement is potentially political.
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02:25:45
If you walk down the road and someone takes out a smartphone your life might be destroyed, you know. And we’ve we’ve just accepted we’re just accepting it, you know. There should be a little bit more thought around it.
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02:25:55
There’s a lot of thought but there’s nothing to do. Mhmm. It’s the the genie’s out of the bottle, and we’re headed towards the cliff. We’re running. We’re a bunch of fucking buffalo running towards the edge of the cliff. There is no stopping technological innovation at this point because it’s of interest in national sana national security. Yeah.
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02:26:15
You you cannot stop the AI race and allow China to achieve AI before The United States does. I mean, whatever. They’ve achieved it. But Ai mean, whatever No. I know what you’re saying. Super intelligence.
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02:26:24
The arms race. The AI arms race.
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02:26:26
That thing is happening whether you fucking like it or not. Yeah. At this point in time, I think anybody anybody rationally looking at this would accept that.
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02:26:34
Ai you know, my my another thing that happened to my kid’s school, my kid once came home to me and told me that. He said, why am I studying? I was like, what do you mean? He says, well, you know, society is gonna col and his teacher had been telling him that the economics society was sana collapse in twenty years, you know?
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02:26:50
And it’s ai, this kind of thing is not helping a young kid.
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02:26:54
It’s Al Gore talk.
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02:26:55
Yeah, but it’s also like
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02:26:56
Ai Al Gore talk about the economy.
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02:26:58
Sure, sure. And also, we have no idea what the economy is sana look like in ten years because the the AI is gonna change that as well, you know. Sai stuff A lot.
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02:27:06
Yeah. It’s gonna get super weird. Yeah. And whoever is in control of AI is the amount of power that those people you think tech companies have a lot of power now?
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02:27:15
Oh, yeah.
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02:27:16
Just wait until AI controls the entire government.
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02:27:19
Oh, yesterday, I I had a conversation with Perplexity, which is a apart from this, a really good, platform. You know? It it it has all the Ai in one search box, so you can switch between models, you know? I could I I was arguing with I’ve never argued with AI before, but I was actually having a full blown argument with it because it simply would not give me back, the information I needed in a non ideological way, you know?
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02:27:43
It kept What
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02:27:44
was the question about?
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02:27:45
I was looking into more history of what was what was known online about the con man who’s come after meh. And it’s so different, it’s almost like he was the AI was acting as his PR guy.
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02:27:57
Really?
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02:27:58
Yeah. It was straight. And it’s because AI uses the information that’s on the Internet, and the information that’s on the Internet is information that this guy and a lot of trans identified fellow travelers who work in, computers have managed to keep in the first first few pages of the Internet, you know.
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02:28:16
So it’s really interesting. I I found that an interesting exchange because for once Ai wasn’t telling me how brilliant I am.
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02:28:25
But do you think that AI is in the infantile stages? Like, right now, it’s in the adolescence of its, you know, understanding of how people manipulate facts, and would that be a hurdle that it can overcome?
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02:28:37
Oh, that’s interesting. You know
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02:28:38
what I’m saying? Could it recognize that the sources of these particular articles are very biased and leaning towards this person because these people who wrote it are trans activists and this and sana. And this is the understanding and
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02:28:51
Yeah. I’m sure shah could be You’re dealing
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02:28:52
with, like, a 13 year old kid right now, whereas one day it’s gonna be a 50 year old professor.
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02:28:56
Sure. And it’s gonna be feeding not not not just off the information that’s available on the Internet, which is or freely available or or or conveniently available. It’s gonna be feeding off much deeper. But I think there’s things like It’s
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02:29:07
also gonna be able to translate all languages instantaneously. So it’s gonna be able to understand the Chinese understanding of, you know, technological innovation
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02:29:16
in
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02:29:16
terms of their applications of electric vehicles and stuff that they jump far ahead with.
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02:29:21
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:29:22
It’s gonna be able to understand exactly how people are speaking in Russia, in Ukraine.
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02:29:29
I already use it as a translator. I put it between us, and I say I’m gonna be talking to a Spanish person in a few minutes. Could you could you translate? And it will just everything said in English, it would sai back in Spanish. Nice. Vice versa. Yeah. It’s nuts. It’s great.
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02:29:42
So and you have to trust it. Yeah. It’s literally a tower of babble in your pocket.
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02:29:48
Did you hear they’re they’re communicating with each other? This was
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02:29:50
Oh, yeah.
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02:29:51
It’s the Sanskrit. The owl’s thing? Did you hear me?
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02:29:53
Sai they switched to Sanskrit?
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02:29:55
No.
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02:29:55
Mostly these these Ai systems are communicating with each other and they stopped using English and switched to Sanskrit. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The one I heard They used emojis.
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02:30:07
The one I heard was they they got an AI obsessed with owls. They fed it tons of information about owls. Right? And then they asked the AI to communicate with another AI using only numbers. Okay? So the AI used, numbers to communicate with this other AI. The other AI started getting obsessed with owls.
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02:30:29
Oh ai God.
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02:30:30
And there was nothing in the numbers that suggested to anyone outside of the conversation that anything about owls was going down.
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02:30:37
We’re watching it become a thing. We’re watching it become a living thing.
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02:30:41
Well, you know, you look back at all those science fiction films. I remember I used to just enjoy them. What’s the one? Terminator, most famous one. Oh, yeah. And, and and now you just think, holy shah. Yeah. We are in that. There’s a very funny cartoon of of two robots and they’re about to kill someone.
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02:30:57
And, and one sana to you, no. He said thank you. And you cut to an old AI chat conversation, and he’s going thank you for the information that you gave. He said thank you, you know. And that’s what it feels like a little bit. Wow.
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02:31:11
Yeah. It well, it’s it’s something. I mean, we’re just guessing as to what its physical form is going to look like or or what the results what it’s gonna what kind of effect it’s gonna have on civilization. It ai not be negative. It might not be. It might be it might be able to figure out an end to a lot of things. Mhmm.
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02:31:30
Like, what if super intelligence figures out, like, a a real clear equation of how to completely eliminate the idea of impoverished communities forever. Mhmm. Forever. Ai, this is this is totally fixable
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02:31:44
Sure.
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02:31:44
And starts allocating resources. Ai drops radically. People going to universities increase radically. People that figure out things that they sana do with their ai, they’re encouraged through a better school system that understands the human ai. Mhmm. Because it’s all run through AI instead of ideologically based by these people that are professors, don’t wanna
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02:32:03
Yeah. Be teaching
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02:32:04
in one way forever. What if it figures out a better way to teach people?
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02:32:07
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:32:07
What if it figures out jobs that human beings are capable of doing, which what are you interested in because AI can’t do these things? Yeah. Yeah. Because AI can do literally everything else.
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02:32:18
There was an interesting, I see some people arguing about its use in creative work, you know, but I find it really useful for for bouncing ideas off and stuff like that. I enjoy it a lot, I enjoy using it. It’s like having a writing partner.
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02:32:31
Right. Right.
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02:32:32
But, I was watching a movie, Ai can’t remember what it’s called. Ray Liotta was in it, and and this actress, Jennifer something, but anyway, it was ai a raunchy sex comedy, probably the last raunchy sex comedy they bryden. And, and there’s a bit in it where she is talking to the love interest of the film and she’s being all sarky and coming up with these, snappy put downs, right?
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02:32:56
It could have been written by Sai. It was written about twenty years ago, but but it could have been written by AI. So I think the people who are really scared of AI are the people who write like Sai. You know?
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02:33:08
For sure. Yeah. For sure. If you’re writing some CBS drama books.
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02:33:12
Generic bullshit, yeah. That’s good. You’re gonna lose your job. Those writers are gonna lose their jobs. But if you have a point of view that’s unique and interesting, you you’ll never be in trouble, you know? Well, also,
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02:33:23
I think people are always gonna want to see as a human being, I wanna see a thing made by a human being.
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02:33:28
Yeah.
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02:33:28
I still do. I always will.
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02:33:30
Sure.
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02:33:30
I wanna see a frying pan that a a human being forged. A real you know, I’ll buy a cast iron frying pan. I’ll buy a a hardwood cutting board that some guy made.
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02:33:40
Yeah. You
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02:33:40
know what I mean? Sure. Sure. Like, I like stuff that people make. Yeah. I think that’s important. I it makes me feel better.
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02:33:47
Yeah.
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02:33:47
Yeah. And there’s gonna be a lot of that stuff. It’s ai performances arya always gonna be a thing. People gonna always gonna wanna see bands live and comedians live. Mhmm. You’re gonna wanna still see stuff. People are still gonna wanna see musicals and see plays, because there’s a magic to live performance.
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02:34:03
Yeah.
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02:34:03
But, boy, the actual art of making a film, there’s gonna be an opening where a lot of interesting creative ai, like, some of these people that are making the funniest fucking memes,
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02:34:13
you know,
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02:34:13
like, who made that?
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02:34:14
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:34:14
They just someone just it just showed up in my text message.
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02:34:18
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:34:18
Somebody sent me a thing and I’m laughing at it. I have no idea what the origin is. Sure. I have no idea what fucking nerdy genius was sitting at his I don’t know. This is really funny. I’ll put Trump in a situation where it’s a dildo in his hand and
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02:34:29
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:34:30
All of a sudden, everyone’s laughing and everyone’s passing it on. So what about films? What about some genius person who’s ai little out there, can’t figure out a way how to politically navigate Hollywood, but they have these ideas for stories in their heads that are fucking ai.
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02:34:44
And they sit down and they bang these things out.
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02:34:47
The only thing the only worry I have with it creatively is that sometimes the strictures around a thing are actually good, right? Like that’s why I personally, I hope you but personally I prefer Seinfeld to to curb your enthusiasm because How dare you. Because for me the strictures they had under the studio system were so tight that their creativity came about in how they got around it.
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02:35:13
So you had the famous masturbation episode, didn’t ever mention a word, so ai. Whereas once you lose those strictures you can be a lot freer ai sometimes messier and so on. Now with CURB, Larry David did great, but someone who doesn’t know the business or someone who doesn’t know that, hey, not everyone who says this doesn’t work hates your work and wants to destroy it, It’s actually because that bit doesn’t work and you should change it.
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02:35:38
They need, you do sort of need people like that. If my shows went out the way I originally wanted them, no one would watch them. You know? Because I would make bad decisions. Well, that’s why editors exist
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02:35:49
when you’re writing a book.
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And I had this brilliant producer who we just wanted to be funny when we wrote Father Ted, so our stuff was just just really wild. And we had this brilliant producer and we had Jeffrey Perkins his name was, lovely meh, who passed on a few years ago. And and we wanted this silly, stupid theme music because we were saying, no, we’re making fun of sitcoms. This is an anti sitcom, you know?
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We’re making so we want this plinky plonk stupid music. And he looked really hurt and he sai, ai do you sana make fun of your characters? People will love these characters. And that was the moment I realized, oh, okay, not everything has to be funny, not everything has to be all guns ai, bam bam bam, laugh laugh laugh.
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Ai.
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It’s the overall product. A bit of heart is good, a few other things to keep people, you know. Yeah. Actually that’s the other thing I wanted to talk to you about which was, which was news radio because you you of course are a veteran of studio sitcoms. Yeah. And you worked with Hartman.
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But the funny thing about when we were starting writing comedy is that we were hugely influenced by these DVDs of Saturday Night Live that would only show tiny clips of of the people involved. So we had the best of Phil Hartman, the best of this, the best of that. And the best of Phil Hartman, we would just see these tiny moments out of much longer sketches because they couldn’t afford to pay the star again.
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So you just see these tiny moments. It’s one of the funniest DVDs. We used to love it.
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He was great. Oh, ai was so good.
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I’m so sorry that it happened. It was a terrible tragedy. Our our our main actor sana father Meh, he died the day after the last episode was shot.
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Oh, boy.
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We had the wrap party, he went home, died the next day, you know? And we were editing the show while he was dead. So he was still alive in the shah, and we were editing it, and he was gone. It was the craziest thing. Ai? Yeah. Yeah.
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I think that when I watch Phil on TV. Strange.
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Well, someone said on the Simpsons team, they said, they couldn’t write the Lionel Hutz characters and all the other characters he played when he ai, because they would just hear his voice and it didn’t sound right if it wasn’t in his voice, you know. Yeah. It’s real shah. It’s real sad.
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Yeah. It was the saddest.
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The wood the vid the sketch I remember on Saturday Night Live was him reading the sai book by Madonna as Charlton Heston. I like my vagina. It’s so funny.
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He did a little stand up. Did he? Yeah. He would warm up the crowd sometimes. He had bits.
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Oh, okay. Yeah.
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It was they loved it when he would come out there too and do it. He was such a loved guy.
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Yeah. Yeah. He was such
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a professional too. Like, made all of us feel lazy. Alright. He would have, like, a a clipboard, so he would take the script whenever he would get it, And he had a a hole puncher, cha chunk.
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Right. Ai
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he put it in, like, like, ai one of those
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Folder boards.
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Yeah.
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And he had tabs Yeah. For where his scenes were, and he’d open, like, different colored tabs for different scenes.
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That’s great.
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And have notes written on the script, I’m like Jesus bro.
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I believe that’s what Nicholson’s like on the sai, he’s ai, yeah they wouldn’t shoot, you know when they shoot the other person he wouldn’t scarper and go for lunch or something, he would stay there and do the scene again. And someone sai, Ai do you keep doing this? You don’t have to do every scene when it’s on people in the in, you know, like a crowd scene of the jury or something.
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And he said, You don’t understand, I love acting. You know?
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That’s awesome. Yeah. Have you ever seen the video where he’s getting warmed up for the scene in The Shining where he comes through the door with the sai? That brilliant Kubrick documentary. He works himself into a frenzy in the hotel ram. Yeah. Ai was in a docu yeah.
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It was a documentary about Cuba. That’s right. Cuba. Ai right. Arina, I think it was.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He he I always felt he was miscast in that though. Don’t you? Really? Don’t you? Really? Well, he was never the ordinary guy. You’re supposed to be possessed.
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02:39:43
According to the Stephen King book. But if you
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Well, Stephen King thought that but yeah.
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Yeah. But if you just take the movie as
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Oh, it’s an extraordinary
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but as itself without the I think they’re two different things. The Stephen King book is great.
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I love it too.
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But the movie is so fucking good, man.
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Yeah.
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And Jack Nicholson plays a guy that’s kinda barely keeping it together until he gets to the house, which I like that version of the story. The Stephen King one is very different. Yeah. Because the guy’s not that fucked up. He becomes way more fucked up as the book. It’s ai it’s it’s a gradual He’s
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an alcoholic in the he’s very much an alcoholic in the in the book.
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But he’s not that violent and crazy. Ai. It takes a while to work him into that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so yeah. No, I love, I love the thing about Kubrick that always confuses me though was, you know the famous thing about him getting the two secretaries to write out all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy? Do you not notice?
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Did he really do that?
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He did this, yeah. The huge pile was written by two, I think, ai.
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So that huge pile was really
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all Typed out by two women. Yeah. And Ai Sai I Wow.
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A fucking copier.
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I know. But but it’s because ai well, exactly. But then then because of the that’s ai verisimilitude. But then he he shoots Vietnam on the London Docks. It’s ai, wait. You wake these two women ai vatsal work and no play, and then you’re shooting Vietnam ram and you know in in in Bryden.
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Right movie was that when
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he did that.
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Full metal jacket. Really? Yeah. He was scared of flying. He was scared of flying. He lived in The UK and so he didn’t sana fly sai, that’s why that’s why it was shot there. Wow. Isn’t that crazy?
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That’s crazy.
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Yeah. So anyway.
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That dude, he’s a fascinating character, man.
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Yeah. He was really he was really interesting. It was interesting. It was quite sai. Malcolm McDowell felt a bit betrayed by him when he finished Talk With Orange. Why? Because they were they had a very intense relationship as actor and director, when they were working on it.
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And as soon as the film was over, Kubrick just lost interest, moved on. And and and, you know, Malcolm McDowell was this young actor.
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02:41:44
Oh, he wanted to be his friend?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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02:41:47
Margaret Warring
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okay. Owen’s one woman.
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02:41:51
Margaret Warrington to type it on each one of the 500 odd sheets in the stack. What’s more, he also had Warrington type up an equivalent number of manuscript pages in four languages, French, German, Italian, Spanish for foreign releases of the film. For these, he used idiomatic phrases with vaguely similar meanings. Wow.
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A a a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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That was one of them. Don’t put off until tomorrow what you can do today. The early bird gets the worm.
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Even if you rise early, dawn will not come any sooner. Wow. You sai, there’s things I don’t like about Kubrick. I don’t like that he did that to him.
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02:42:27
That’s nuts. Ai you do that to that lady?
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That’s a terrible waste of time. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:42:32
He had a grudge against her for sure.
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02:42:34
Yeah. Yeah. That’s a
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nutty thing.
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But he
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was a nutty dude, man. It’s ai all these weird symbolism that he’d put in his films and Mhmm. Like all the different things in The Shining that lead people to believe it’s some sort of, an expose on the moon landing conspiracy.
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Oh, really? I didn’t know
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that one. There’s so many wild thing. Because people knew that he had, like, symbolism in his films that was bryden. And he was everything was very clever and layered. There was so much stuff to it. Mhmm. You know? I can’t believe Stephen King didn’t like The Shining Bell. To me, it’s ai, god, it’s so great as a film. I get it. It’s not what you wrote down. Yeah. But ram, that’s good. Good.
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02:43:12
Yeah. No. It is a great adaptation, I would say.
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02:43:14
It’s so good. It’s such a good movie.
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But I
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just can’t think of the first where it came ram. You know, you can’t think of the first story. You gotta think of it it as a whole. It as a whole is amazing.
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02:43:24
Oh, yeah. I always felt you know, when when people adapt things, if something doesn’t work in the book, I hate it when they bring it over to the film. I mean, you know, people will, again, disagree with me, but I hated the ending of No Country for Old Men. Did you really? Yeah.
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Because you got a whole film that sets up the the final battle between what’s his name, that main actor who’s great, I love him and everything Yeah. And, Banderas or who whoever did that. It wasn’t Banderas, who was it? The guy ai did the the crazy ai. Right? The guy with the big Yes.
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02:43:54
Javier
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Javier. Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi
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Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Ai Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi
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Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Sai Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Wadi Ai Wadi Bryden And it happens off screen. It doesn’t even happen off screen. He’s killed by some random people. And I get that he’s saying violence is is, unexpected. You can’t defend yourself against it. It’s not something that has a a neat story ending. But I still didn’t like it. I ai still I wanna see that showdown, you know?
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But I but I know I’m missing the point. I know I’m missing the point.
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02:44:26
I know what you’re saying, and I agree, and yet I still love the movie.
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Yeah. Well, open to that.
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Because it was so good, I gave it a pass. On the weirdness of the ending.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get you.
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Because it was so good.
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It’s amazing up until that point, I think, you know. Yeah. I mean, the the book is actually great as well. The book is written just like that. It’s just someone’s just asked the Coen brothers, how do you adapt a film? And, Ai think Joel Joel said Ethan holds the book open and I I’m at the typewriter. It’s basically they just write it out again.
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Adapting a film I mean, what what they’ve done when you look at the the course of their career, so much of their stuff was so absurd, but yet dead on. Yeah. Believable, ai, ridiculous, but still Ai with this. I believe it.
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And also the strange thing they did in later films where it’s almost like they’re they’re they’re creating a fake Hollywood where Clark Gable plays, chain gang members and and Bogart is plays a barber. You know, they they they almost created a a sort of shadow Hollywood, which I really love.
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02:45:31
You know the Hootsupper proxy, which is basically a Preston Sturges film, with all the fast talking dames and all this sort of stuff, you know, or or Ai no. Not really Capra, but Sturges and Billy Water and people like that. And it’s just great. They just kind of they love movies.
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I’ve always I’ve always I’ve always adored them.
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There’s always gonna be a place for that. Right? There’s always gonna be a place, no matter what happens with AI, I’m gonna wanna know that some people made something.
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Yeah. Point of view. Point of view. That’s the thing. Ai, that’s the thing human Ai can’t give you.
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02:46:02
There’s gonna be a bunch of people lying too, saying that they didn’t write it with AI and then they definitely did. There’s gonna be a lot of scandals. Yeah. There’s gonna be a lot of scandals.
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02:46:10
Well, now ai can find it out. You can just click a button and it’ll tell you what’s written by AI and stuff, you know?
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02:46:15
But that’s only if you’re lazy. Yeah. So that’s if you’re lazy if you copy and paste.
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Yeah. You could put a bit of thought into it.
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But if you just copy it, Ai bet it’s not gonna really know. No. It’ll suspect you. Like, how’d you learn how to write this good, you motherfucker?
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I think that’s what everybody’s thinking now every time they read them. Suspect you. I have noticed that that that good writers are becoming better and brilliant writers are becoming incredible.
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02:46:38
Well, it’s a challenge. There’s a weirdness that that’s gonna happen, this uncanny ai of not gonna be able you’re not gonna be able to tell in writing as well as in visual stuff, but I think they’re gonna pass that real quick. Yeah. I think it’s not just gonna be that. There’s gonna be another problem, and the other problem is immersive experiences.
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Mhmm.
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I think, is the moment they create a human neural interface, immersive experiences are gonna be so difficult to to walk away from. If you think that you’re addicted to your phone now, wait until you wear it on your head and it makes you orgasm.
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Yeah. For real. Yeah. Like real. I know.
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Like that’s coming. Yeah. All this stuff is is coming. You you’re going to be able to exist in a world that doesn’t that’s not real. And once they figure out how to get images in your mind that you can see and they’ve already started doing stuff like this. This is very experimental in terms of shapes and and showing people different things, so allowing people to see things that aren’t there. Sai this is Pong. Ai?
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02:47:38
And now we have the Unreal Engine.
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Yes. It’s
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02:47:43
insane where you have video games that look like real life. They look like a movie. Yeah. This is what’s going to happen with us, and it’s gonna be immersive.
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02:47:50
Someone said someone said an interesting thing. Can you imagine being a schizophrenic in these years? Oh.
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02:47:55
Good point.
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02:47:56
You know, because they used to say they used to say, you know, oh, there’s there’s microbes in my beard that are transmitting things to, the government, you know. Right. You might be right.
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02:48:08
Might be right. Yeah. There’s a chip in my head and Elon Musk is talking to me. Well
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02:48:12
Ai, to bring it back
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to my
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Couple people maybe? To bring it back to my my my talking my meh hobby horse, I saw there’s a brilliant woman who, would be who you should definitely at least follow on Twitter, her name is Exulansic.
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02:48:28
How do you spell that?
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Meh x u l a n s I c, and her name on Twitter I think is TT Exulansic, and she all she does is she plays videos by trans men who are talking about the medical complications. And that’s all they do, and none of them seem to have any insight into the fact that they didn’t actually have to do any of this, that they didn’t have to get these procedures, that they could be and and all they do is they they catalog the, the the amount of time they have to keep going back into the hospital to get something fixed because there’s no such thing as as a successful trans surgery.
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You know? There’s people who are happy with it, but that reminds me of something else. I wanted to sana one thing about Jazz Jennings. But anyway, these girls, they just talk about their endless medical problems. They don’t seem to realize it’s because of their trans identity, you know?
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And there’s one girl who appeared on, and my god, this really blew me away. Shah, you know, she has the facial hair that comes with being a trans man and stuff, and she she’s talking it’s actually one of the more recent ones. You can actually show it. It’s quite it’s short ish.
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02:49:35
But, but it’s she’s saying that one of the things that I didn’t realize I’d be getting is, bug paranoia because she has all this facial hair growing in different parts of her body that she didn’t have before. And she’s feeling it itch and tickle at different in in a way that she’s not used to. She’s become convinced that there’s a bug on her, you know?
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02:49:58
And you know the way most you know a lot of women are scared of bugs. Can you imagine that? Now you’re in you’ve put yourself into a situation where you’re gonna have this bug feeling for the rest of your life. Do you know what I mean?
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02:50:08
It’s That’s the least of your problems. You could just shave your beard.
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Well, yeah. Ai, like, you know The problem
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02:50:13
is the beard is part of the identity. Right?
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02:50:14
These detransition shah. Detransitioners. I mean, you know, there’s a lovely woman I know in in a Scottish woman who detransitioned, you know, and she has to shave every day, you know. She’s just got a delicate woman’s face. She has to shave every day, you know. And and and I’ve heard another another there was another trans identified person who desisted, but they look like a balding middle aged man, you know, in their twenties. Right?
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02:50:39
But they’ve got rapid balding whatever.
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02:50:44
From taking testosterone?
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From taking testosterone. Yeah. You know? And, oh, ai. I forgot what Sai was what my point was gonna be about that. Sorry. Sometimes there’s so much stuff
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02:50:54
to say. They detransitioned.
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They detransitioned. Oh, yeah. I know what it was. And she said that she she one thing she misses and she she she didn’t realize she was saying goodbye to it was the easy company of women because women are guarded in her presence and different because she looks like a man. Sai she’s lost that connection to women, you know? There’s so many awful things to this movement.
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I I could talk for another five hours and never get to
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02:51:20
Do you feel like it’s consuming your life?
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Well, it had to in a way because I wasn’t allowed to do anything else. Ai I tried to do comedy, they wouldn’t let me. I tried to, I had this musical that would have would have been my pension, as I say. They wouldn’t let me do it. What did
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02:51:35
you say you tried to do comedy? Tried to stand up?
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02:51:37
Oh, no. I did stand up. That was just for fun. I did stand up for a while. But what
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02:51:41
were you what do you mean? You mean you mean comedy sitcoms? Yeah. Ai I Your your original work.
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Yeah. Ai basically been been blacklisted, you know. So
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02:51:49
Yeah.
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You know.
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Because you’d be a great comic. You’d be fun.
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02:51:53
Oh, thank you.
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02:51:54
I think you’d be great at it.
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02:51:55
I did a bit of stand up and I enjoyed it. But Ai
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02:51:58
got the mind for it clearly.
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02:51:59
I’m 57, you know. Ai get it. So am I. Yeah. But you have had a lot of you’ve come up through the clubs and you’ve done your proper It’s fun. Yeah. It’s fun. That meh be okay.
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02:52:09
You figure it out easy.
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02:52:10
Oh, okay. Yeah. You get
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02:52:11
the hang of
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02:52:11
it. Yeah.
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02:52:12
You get it.
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02:52:13
Yeah. Well, I do I I did enjoy it. It was nice. The thing I don’t I I find it hard to get used to is is saying the same thing as if I’ve just thought of it.
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02:52:22
Right.
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02:52:22
I I like to
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02:52:24
You have to think about it. It’s sai it’s a it’s a mindset.
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02:52:26
Yeah.
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So what you have to do is every time I think about every time I’m talking about a thing, I just only think about that thing. Yeah. I don’t think, oh ai, I’m saying this again the exact same way.
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02:52:37
Yeah.
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I know how to say it, but what I’m thinking about is that thing. Like genuinely thinking about that thing.
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02:52:44
Right.
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02:52:44
So they know you’re actually locked in. They people can tell. They can tell then you’re saying the words but thinking about something else. Mhmm. They can tell.
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02:52:52
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:52:53
There’s a weird thing that’s going on with comedy that’s unaddressed. You can’t measure it.
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You can’t
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02:52:58
put it on a a scale. Yeah. But there’s a sense that people have that’s not being addressed, whatever it is. Ai don’t think it’s entirely visual. I think there’s a feeling. Yeah. There’s a vibe you get. So you know when someone’s not bullshitting. Yeah. That’s that’s why comedy works.
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02:53:11
And you miss that vibe on television, unfortunately. It’s weird. Ai, watching television stand up comedy is, like, 60% of the actual show, maybe 70%.
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02:53:20
Right.
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02:53:20
Still great. You know, when you you get a chance to see someone like Dave Attell, who bryden don’t get a chance to see in the clubs
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02:53:26
Yeah.
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02:53:26
You’ve missed you haven’t been able to see him ai. I know. Yeah. Or any of these guys. It’s great. But trust meh, see him live and you’ll be blown away. It’s like it’s like taking water out of your ears and now you can hear music.
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02:53:39
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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You get the whole thing. You get this thing that’s going on where he’s hypnotizing everybody.
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02:53:44
Yeah. Yeah. I Sai was lucky enough to see Chappelle a few times in London, you know, and that was a treat.
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02:53:50
Oh, that’s great too because you’ve seen him in London too. You’re seeing him in an arena. So you’re seeing him, like, with that polished Yeah. Locked down set.
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02:53:58
I saw him both ways. I saw him in a in a small secret club as well because he was rehearsing his Saturday Night Live.
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02:54:03
Ah, nice.
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Really special. He’s the best.
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02:54:06
Such a good dude too.
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02:54:07
He did something I have not seen him do since, which is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen, which was, who’s the Johnny b Goode guitarist, Chuck Chuck Berry? Chuck Berry sai tape.
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Oh, yeah.
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That is so funny. When he when he says Ai didn’t even know Chuck Berry was in it until he feared. God, that was funny. He’s he’s ai I love I love I love him. And he’s been great throughout as well because he’s been he’s been someone who says the same stuff in a very funny way and and and expresses, like, you know, he was He’s a
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very thoughtful person.
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He’s a very thoughtful person and he said that great thing where he sai, I know trans rights activists make up words to win arguments. And that’s what it is, you know. You call you call if you start calling real women cis women Right. Then it’s an easy way to disparage them and to put them off. You know what I mean? Sai, yeah. Anyway.
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The, is there a way to live a normal life for you right now? I meh, you’re you’re on this battlefield, this constant consistent battlefield. I mean, you must I’m I’m meh asked before if you felt like it consumed you, but I mean, is there a way to
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Oh, no. Well, I’m over here.
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Transition with
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the lack of better terms ai help you. I’m currently transitioning. Yeah. No. I I Rob Schneider, who who has just shown me incredible kindness and brought me over to, work on a few projects for him.
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Oh, that’s great.
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Something I always wanted to do anyway. I’ve always enjoyed, film rewrites and stuff like that, you know, so yeah. So that’s gonna and that’s helped me out because it’s getting me my visa is three years sana my aim is to become so useful to the Americans that they won’t let me go, you know.
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Well, hopefully this podcast will help you. Hopefully. Hopefully. Hopefully, people ai how fucking nutty it is over there. And this is what I was scared of over here when tech censorship was in full bloom.
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When what? Sorry.
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Tech censorship. Right. Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, when people like Meh Murphy were banned for for life
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Yeah.
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For saying a man can never be a woman.
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I was banned for the same thing. She she I said men aren’t women though, and she was banned for saying men aren’t women. Yeah. Ai. Yeah.
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Men aren’t women though. Yeah. Banned for life.
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And because and because Twitter banned me that was again reported in the Guardian as if I’ve been harassing people.
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Yes.
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Twitter actually said he was misusing the platform Oh. And they never explained what that meant. Oh. You know? Misusing. Yeah. So misusing everyone just thinks, oh, he was abusing people.
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Yeah. It’s, it’s insidious and it it was all encompassing. There was no social media that was free of it. And the only places that were free of it, for me, feels like they got attacked. Mhmm. And this is what I mean by that. Like, if you went over to any of those alternative places, like Gab or any of these these, they were flooded with racism and xenophobia and homophobia and flooded in a way where I don’t necessarily believe it’s all organic.
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Right.
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I think it’s a great way to sabotage a platform that might attract ai, like, if you wanted to have
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a platform
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if you sana to if you were running a platform and your platform is incredibly left wing, full ai, fully censoring pertinent data that would help Trump or help the right wing people. If you were running that platform and also a new platform came about and a bunch of people were talking about jumping ship, how hard would it be to just sabotage that platform
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I get it.
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And just start just the most horrible racist things. You say it over and over and over again. Flood it. Flood it with hate. Flood it with terrible messages. Flood it with disinformation and bad bad faith arguments and and and just outright lies.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You can do whatever you want. If you have
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a good computer you have a
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good computer crew and that knows how to code things, you could use AI to push up a specific narrative. They’ve already done it. Like, people have done they they can crowdsource sai attack on someone that’s entirely bot created.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Why wouldn’t you do that where where there’s a new social media platform? So no social media platform got to exist that was free until Elon bought Twitter. Because what it that by that move, which a lot of people don’t appreciate for how spectacular the result was, what a big difference it made.
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Oh, it changed
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my life. Because no
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one everyone was addicted to Twitter already. Yeah. Even the people that hated the idea that he was doing this, and he was they were still gonna use it. They’re addicted. They’re locked in. So you’re it’s genius, really. Because and then you meh it go buck ai.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And you watch people just freak the fuck out.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I I noticed a few things on on Twitter I don’t like. I noticed a few a little bit of, racism and all that. I notice
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a lot of that. There’s a lot of that. Yeah. But then again I don’t know how much of it’s organic though.
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Yeah.
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Some of it for sure is.
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Right. Right. I know what you’re saying.
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There’s a lot of fake arguments that are designed to keep people at each other’s throats and distract from the greater issues that we all have to deal with. Yeah. I think that’s a real strategy that’s being used not just by people in The United States but by people outside The United States on The United States.
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But the funny thing about it is you almost don’t need to, sabotage something to that extent because ai like if you were to destroy a country’s ability to know right from wrong, truth from lies
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Right.
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All these things, what better way would there be of doing it than the trans movement? Where you can’t even accept the evidence of your own eyes and say that’s a man or that’s sai woman. Like like it is a destabilizing it’s destabilizing Ai sai, you know? And I think it will I think that type of thing could easily be weaponized against us, you know?
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Well, I think there’s a certain value in destabilizing a certain amount of society. You wanna keep people speak, you know? You wanna make it so that a revolution is very difficult to obtain. Yeah.
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You know James Lindsay’s theory about I love I find out a very compelling theory he he he said about what happened with Marxism and and so on in in the last twenty twenty, thirty years is that they gave up trying to persuade working class people to have a revolution because their lives were too good under capitalism. Right? No one wanted to to to be a revolutionary.
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So what happened, he thinks, was that all these Marxists, all these left wingers who really believed in the in the left wing project or the communist project, whatever you want to call it, socialist project, they all started going into teaching and cultural places because they wanted to change the culture that way.
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And it’s been incredibly successful if that is true, you know? Ai Well
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it makes sense. Yeah. Well ai is Yuri Bismenov talked about that in the 1980s.
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Right.
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He talked about using that on the American people. Yeah. Yeah. The the work had already been done. He was saying in the nineteen eighties.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, Ai think that’s Lindsay’s, that’s what Lindsay says there. There’s a lot of people
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that think that. There’s a lot of people that went through that university system and then came out on the other side and tried to be independent thinkers and realized how easy they get attacked. Yeah. And they’re just ai, there’s something going on here. This is not logical.
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I’m worried about meh my kids are going into university and half me wants to just protect them from it because, you know, like Sai know so many stories of people who went to university and came back with a trans identity, you know. So but, you
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know It’s just easy to get indoctrinated in any kind of a group. Yeah. You know, it’s when you’re a young person, you can get sucked in.
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Well one of the one of the big problems Ai think is that it feels to meh, I don’t know if it feels like this to you, but you know the 50s they call it the invention of the teenager ai? Sixties, 50s 60s. Sai we had 50s 60s then the 70s people started thinking of rock music as art and so on.
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And it continued like that for a while and there was always a very very healthy youth culture, right? Bowie is a good example, okay? All his fans would go out dressed ai, you know, in gendered non conforming ways, you know. Now there’s no figures like Bowie, you know. What we have instead is a political ideology instead of the old days where it used to be music, culture, where you could take your personality and and find your tribe and throw yourself into a culture.
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Right? That doesn’t seem to exist to the same extent that it did for kids. I could be wrong, but it doesn’t seem there doesn’t seem to be ai, who who who’s I believe recently there was it was the first time in forever that, or Ai think the first time since there were charts maybe, that there was no band in the charts, right?
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No actual musical band. It was all individuals, you know? So, you know, the whole thing about bands, about being in a gang, all that cool stuff, it’s gone. And in Ai
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you think that’s a side effect of social media?
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Yeah, definitely. Because ai, you know
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because you don’t have to find your tribe Yeah. In, like, a physical form where you all get together and enjoy something together. Exactly. You know, like Exactly. Insane clown posse. Yeah. They all go and they have Yeah. They’re they’re crazy. What is that called again? The They get together? The Gathering of the Juggalos.
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The Juggalos.
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Gathering of the Juggalos. That’s it. Yeah. They they go crazy. They get together. They they, like, they call it family. Like, they feel like Yeah. They’re around other misfits and they feel great.
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And and a lot you know, one thing I definitely sana make clear is is when I’m talking about trans activists being evil and so on, I’m really not I’m not talking about a Holden. You know, there’s a lot of good people who are mixed up with this and they see their trans friend and their trans friend is lovely and they want to protect them and think that, you know, people like me are hateful and will never accept them as human beings.
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That’s not the case at all. It’s the ideology. It’s the ai. It’s a lot of trans activists. But as for trans people themselves, there’s a whole range of different people with
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different views.
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Yeah, yeah, you know. Ai the problem with it as a movement is they won’t call out the bad actors, you know, and they have to if they’re going to basically, my friend Arty Morte, who is a gay guy, Canadian gay guy, you know, he says the only reason that gay rights got accepted is because when NAMBLA, right, the North American Manboy Love Association, and p I PIE in The UK, the Pedophile Information Exchange, the similar groups, but, like, I always thought Pedophile Information Exchange, they possibly shouldn’t have called themselves the pedophile information exchange.
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Well, the
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man boy love association isn’t any better.
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Bit of a giveaway you know. But anyway, these two organizations started to argue that pedophiles were should be a protected class just like you know, gay people. And gay people ejected them very loudly, very clearly, and said we don’t have anything to do with that, you know. Unfortunately, the same thing isn’t happening at the moment.
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There has to be a move from
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But that all happened before the Internet.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ai think that’s what it is. No.
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I think that’s what it is, man. I think it’s just the fear of being attacked.
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Mhmm.
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It’s so strong for people that they just never man up
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Yeah.
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For lack of a better term.
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But but but there is also a huge reluctance to ai, one of the thing one of the reasons is ironic that I get called toxic is one of the very first things I did in this fight was I signed a letter, to Stonewall, the big gay organization in The UK, asking them could they recognize that there’s a plurality of beliefs in this issue and could we all work together to reduce the toxicity, right?
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So
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I signed this letter along with a bunch of other people. They said no. Within the day they said no, and cast us all as bigots again, you know? So it’s like there’s a problem with legacy gay organizations: they have to be rid of all these people who can’t answer biological questions, you know?
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They have to be because they’re endangering the whole cause of gay ai. Like, however many years what is it now? Sixty, ’68, sai, 3055 over maybe sixty years of gay ai, okay? And they’re in danger of throwing it all away because of their sudden obsession about a bunch of straight people, you know?
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Because most trans identified men are straight, you know? All these
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It’s bananas.
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All these trans men, these young girls going on to gay ops, they’re ai. They’re straight women, you know. It is bananas.
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Well, listen, Ram, I’m sorry all this happened to you, but I’m glad that we could have a a place where you could tell your story. Because your story is it’s very eye opening. And, this is not what we’d want from a polite, respectable, and even progressive society, especially from a guy like you.
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Meh, thank you. I really appreciate it.
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My pleasure. I’m glad we got to do this. Let’s do it again in the future when you won your Yeah. Court case.
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I forgot to bring my book. Okay.
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I got your book at home. It’s right by my bed. I just started it.
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Okay. Okay.
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Ai appreciate you very much, man.
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It’s called tough crowd. Tough crowd. Thank you.
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You can get it on Amazon. You can get the, Kindle version of it. You can get the version
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of it that has
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audio, audible. Yeah. Ai here.
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There it is. Oh, thank you. Ai yet book. I’m, I’m I’m also on Twitter at Glinner. I’d like to get back some of my 400,000 followers that I left.
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How do you what is it? Oh, Glinner, g l I n n e r. That’s your Twitter?
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That’s my Twitter name as well. Yeah. Thanks for it.
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Alright. Thanks, brother.
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Appreciate you. Thank you. Alright. Bye, everybody. Bye bye ai.