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Chadd Wright is a retired Navy SEAL, endurance athlete, speaker, and entrepreneur. He is a cofounder of the Three of Seven Project, a health and self-improvement program for the body, soul, and spirit.
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Ai by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night all day. Yeah. I do too, man. I chewed tobacco pretty much since I was about 13 years old. But, you know, as you get older, you start to try to optimize everything because, the world tells you everything’s gonna kill
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you. Is chewing tobacco gonna kill you?
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Well, you know
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I’ve heard people getting mouth cancer.
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Yeah. That’s the main thing is mouth cancer. And it is mouth cancer is pretty nasty for all forms of cancer are pretty nasty, but mouth cancer can really screw you up. And I think it’s the, the, you know, ai, the chemicals that they spray on the tobacco when they’re growing the tobacco. So I don’t know.
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Maybe if you grew tobacco organically and then you chewed it, it wouldn’t give you mouth cancer?
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Probably makes sense.
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Sai Ai don’t know.
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Well, I was just reading something that a 100% of California wines that they’ve tested had glyphosate on them. A 100%. Yeah. Believe it. Which is just nuts.
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You know yeah. That stuff is everywhere. I mean, it’s not it’s never gonna go anywhere because, you know, when I was in the navy, I lived in Virginia, and we moved out to a rural community. And, they grew corn and soybeans primarily in the fields, and nothing else would grow in that dirt.
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Like, you could walk the rows of those crops, you know, and there would not be a single weed growing in the field. Nothing would grow except for the genetically modified seed or whatever they put out there. You know what I mean? And how long does that stay in the soil? Like, does that ever come can you ever get that out of the dirt so that other things could or would actually thrive there again?
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Sai guess after many, many years, you could.
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Yeah. It’s many, many years. I had Will Harris from he’s from Georgia, White Oaks Pastures. You ever heard of that guy?
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I actually listened to that episode that you did with him, man, because I’ve ordered a a pile of meat from them.
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He’s great.
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He is. That was a great episode.
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And it’s a great episode to educate people on, like, how much time it takes to take an industrial farm and convert it to regenerative agriculture.
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Yeah.
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It’s not easy. It’s a long grind, super costly, not nearly as profitable, And, you know, he did it over course of twenty years. And we have two, jars of soil out there that he gave us. And one of them is a soil from his neighbor’s farm, which is industrial farm, and the other one is his.
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And his is like a dark bryden rich alive soil.
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Mhmm.
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And the one from his neighbor’s farm is just pale and dead and they have to spray shit all over it and use industrial fertilizer and I mean Yeah.
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It’s ugly, man.
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And then it’s gotten so far that, like, to turn it around and try to feed all the people that we have established here in this country in places where nobody’s growing food, it’s ai it’s almost impossible. It’s almost like they’re stuck with this system of industrialized farming.
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Yeah. I meh, yeah, there there’s a it’s it’s being here in Austin, you know, I don’t go to the city much. I live on 700 acres in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains. And I come here to the city and, you know, you see the result of packing so many human beings into one area. Yeah.
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How are you gonna feed them people? Right. Other than other than the way that we figured out how to do it. I mean, how are you gonna feed them? Right. I don’t know, man. Walking around the city, man, it’s just coming from where I live and and don’t take this as negative. I mean, people love cities.
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There’s cool stuff in cities. Right? Like, people get a lot but me, when I come from where I live, you know, Ai dude, where I I’m in the woods every day for hours and hours. I don’t go to town hardly ever. I’m a squirrel hunter. I have a little mountain curr. You know, we go out and squirrel hunt for hours every day.
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But coming to the city, it’s like the air burns my nose. It’s like I’ve been coughing all day today.
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You really notice it?
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I notice. I can smell it. It it smells now we’re staying right in downtown. The smell reminds me slightly of Lagos, Nigeria, which it’s a 100 x in Lagos. It’s it literally burns your eyes and your nose to breathe the air there. But even in Austin, I can kinda smell the sour you know?
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And then I’m looking at these poor people, meh. Like, these people ai laying on these park benches and all this stuff, and I’m ai, it just meh it it makes you think. It makes you wonder. The human’s propensity to to stoop lower than an animal. Like, we have the propensity as human to stoop lower than an animal.
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In the worst case scenario.
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In the worst case scenario. Right. Yeah. I mean, I understand there’s so much that goes along with the story Yeah. That those all the all of those people have. And it was funny. I saw a lady sitting on the the edge of the sidewalk today. She was smoking crack or something. And, now my wife’s in recovery.
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And I said, it’s it’s just mind boggling to meh, me being a man of the country to see the human’s propensity to stoop that low. And she looked at meh, and she said, well, I’ve done it. I said,
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that’s good. Ai ram,
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my woman is so good, brother.
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She came out of it.
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She she came out of it. Right? Yeah. I mean, by the grace of God, but, Well, I’m
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glad you didn’t come visit us in LA. I would’ve showed you some real shit. Ai is nothing.
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I went to LA one time to with my buddy, Jesse Itzler. He took me out there when all this stuff started. I got out of the Navy. He said, Chad, and he said he he asked me to come coach him, teach him how to run a long ways. Ai said, oh, I’ll come out there. And me and Jesse became fast friends. He said, I’m gonna take you out here to LA.
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He said, I’m gonna take you on a few of these interviews with these people. He said, but I want you to realize that if you decide to do this, your life will never be the same. And I said, alright. Let’s go.
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You mean, like, do a podcast?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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We just is an interesting guy.
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He’s one of my he’s one of my biggest mentors. He’s one of he’s a close friend.
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Oh, I like that dude a lot. I had him on. Yeah. Enjoyed talking.
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Yeah. I love him to death, man. But he, yeah, he took me out there, and and LA was, yeah. It it put me back really that some of the places that we went were very similar to some of the areas that we deployed to. Just in the smell and the sights and, you know, the way people were living. It was wild, man.
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Yeah. It’s a chaotic ai, and you get used to anything. And people that live there get used to it. They don’t know what real peace is like. You know, like, when I would tell people why I like mountain hunting, I’d be like, man, it’s like a vitamin that you didn’t know you needed.
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You get out there in the mountains and you smell that clean air and you just feel it. Just your whole body just goes, this is this is so much better. This is so much better to live like this.
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It is.
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I just don’t get a chance to do it that often. You know, I don’t live in it like you do. Living in it is the ultimate. You know, if you could live in it and then go visit other places, that’s way better, to live in nature.
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The noise too. The the the noise, I don’t think that people who live in the city, they’ve become acclimated
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Mhmm.
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To all of the constant noise.
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Yeah.
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It’s never quiet. But when I enter into that environment, like, that noise is doing it does something to meh, ai, the traffic and the the constant humming. And
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Yeah.
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It just I I I feel like I’m I I begin to hold this tension within me.
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Yeah. I
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don’t know what it’s doing to me. I don’t know, man.
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The sensory overload. Yeah. And people in New York
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City accustomed to it.
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Well, people in New York City have to become accustomed to it, and they actually like it. They like that feeling of sensory overload. But everybody that I know that likes that is fairly unhealthy. I don’t know any, like, real fit, healthy, active people that really enjoy that environment.
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So why why do you why why I understand you love what you do, but, I mean, you could build a studio somewhere out in the out in the mountains somewhere like
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Ai gonna probably do that. We’re gonna probably build a studio on a ranch next. That’s the that’s the next move. I wanna have, like, a tactical course out there Good for you, man. Bass Fishing Lake and have it set up And do fun shit with guests too.
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Because people are gonna come see you, man.
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That’s what I think.
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It’s, I mean, what you’ve done, man, is is so cool. I tell people all the ai. If you ever have the opportunity to go and see someone who is the best in the world at what they do, take that opportunity. Whether it’s a a runner, a fighter, a kayaker, or a podcaster, Like, it’s so cool to be here and to get to witness what you do, how you do it, the level that you go to to make all this happen.
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You’re the best in the world. Like, that’s it. That’s so cool for me, man. Like, if we don’t talk here but for thirty minutes, I got to see the best in the world do what he does. And how cool is that, man?
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Oh, thank you.
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And, like, the hospitality that you have, you know, given me since I’ve been here, it’s just next level. And that’s what you see when you get to witness the best in the world do whatever it is they are the best at. You just get to see this whole another level of the of proficiency, of skill, of technique, of mastery, and that opens up your mind into, like, what’s possible.
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Yeah. This I mean, you can go back and watch the beginning episodes. This it was terrible in the early days.
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Well, I’m a podcaster too, man. I mean I know
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you are. I watch your show
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all the time. I’ve got, like, 400 and something episodes out and and same here when I first started. Yeah, it was awful. But it’s so much fun. I love it. I love it.
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I found your show because of the video that you did on your Land Cruiser, because I’m a Land Cruiser nut.
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Yeah.
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And you were talking about, like, have a truck that will fucking, like, no matter what, will work. Like, if if they throw EMP pulses in the air and kill all the electronics, which is people don’t understand. Like, every car everyone is driving has a fucking computer in it. And if something goes on, there is some sort of a power grid failure or some sort of a a solar flare that knocks out electronics, it could knock out your fucking car.
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You have a brick now. It’s not gonna work. If you don’t have a carburetor and you don’t have a car ai a regular old school car
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Yeah.
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It’s not gonna you know, Tucker Carlson, he drives, like, a 1978 pickup truck. And I go, why do you drive that? And he goes, because they can’t shut it off. The government can’t get in. This got no GPS. Ai no he’s he’s super fucking paranoid.
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Well, the the newest vehicle that I have and, yes, Land Cruisers are my favorite. I’ve become close friends with Daniel at TLC four by four, and he’s done two for me, a 100 series and a 60 series.
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And they did mine too when you were in LA.
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Yeah, man. They’re just awesome. And, and like I said, my favorite part about driving the Land Cruiser is that it makes people smile. I I’m not a very funny guy, you know, so there’s not many I don’t get many opportunities to make human beings smile, but I can drive this Land Cruiser and people look at it, point at it, They’re smiling and, like, that just that’s cool to me.
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You know what I mean?
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Especially 60 series, I think. There’s just like a a cool core group of people who love those things.
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They yeah. And you don’t see them.
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Ai one, I slow down. I check it out.
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Yeah. But the newest vehicle that I have and I’m a car guy. Now I was poor most of my life. I’m still fairly poor, but, you know, I got enough money. I can buy the cars that I want now. And the newest car that I have is a 1997, Dodge diesel truck. I have February. I have an, OBS Ford. It’s a ’97 with the power stroke diesel.
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I have a ’97 Dodge Ram with the Cummins diesel because those are the two best diesel engines, undisputedly, that have ever been produced. I have the 100 series Land Cruiser. Actually, the 100 series is a ’90 eight, but I kinda gave that to my brother, so I can’t count that.
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The 60 series is a ’80 four. I have an ’86 Toyota they call pickup. It’s a Hilux.
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Mhmm.
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I don’t know if I’m missing something, but I love I love old cars, man.
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Those old Toyotas are bulletproof. They never break.
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That’s my squirrel hunting truck. Yeah? It’ll go anywhere. You know, why am I gonna go spend $30,000 on a side by side? I I can get in this Toyota truck, and I can go anywhere. You can go in a in a side by side.
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That’s true.
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That’s my squirrel hunting truck, man.
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So is squirrel hunting the most hunting that you do?
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I love it’s I do it every day that I’m at home. I squirrel hunt every day.
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How much squirrel do you eat? Well,
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I eat squirrel on special occasions. I give away a lot of squirrel meat. You know? I’m blessed enough in life now that I can eat rib eye steak. I give away a lot of squirrel. I don’t kill all the squirrels that we tree either. Really, since a young age, I I was introduced to hunting with dogs, tree dogs specifically, And it there was something about a tree dog that just stirred this this passion within me.
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It is the sing it is the only thing that has stuck with me from childhood, young childhood. The first tree dog I ever walked to, I mean, I was I didn’t even know I I should probably shouldn’t even have been in the woods, but I followed my uncle to a coonhound tree down in a swamp.
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And it just even at that age, it just stirred something in meh. Like, this is some sort of primal instinct of partnering with this dog in this chase, and Ai done it even up until now. And it’s just a it’s a unique experience, man. And the great thing about dogs hunting dogs too is the breeding aspect of it. That’s a lot of fun.
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So not only are do you have your best friend, you know, my little mountain cur, her name’s Wendy. She stays in the house. She’s my best friend. We hunt every day together. But but now I get to breed her.
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I get to select a mate, and over the course I’m hoping over the course of the next thirty years or so, I can breed in these specific characteristics of this type of dog that I value. And so that’s fun. You know? Not only is the hunting fun, but the breeding is fun. The training’s fun. Everything about it is fun.
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And you take a group of guys out squirrel hunting, man, and it’s a blast because you don’t have to be quiet. Look, meh. You just you’re out there in the woods on four wheelers. Everybody’s got shotguns. You know, you get to the tree.
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Here’s this dog just hammering a treat on this tree. Everybody surrounds the tree, and that squirrel gets nervous, and he starts timbering out going tree to tree. And you got five or six guys with shotguns blasting away, and everybody’s cutting up and laughing. I mean, it’s just a blast, dude. But that’s my thing. You know?
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That’s a funny thing.
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I like the I like the white I like to hunt ai tails. I like I get to go on my first elk hunt this year.
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Oh, wow. Where are you going?
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There’s a there’s a a a family out in Utah. They they own some ranch out there. I think it’s called r five ram, and they wanted to put a hunt on for a veteran. So they partnered with an outfitter called g three Outfitters, and they bought a tag. And for some odd reason, they selected me as their veteran that they wanna take out on an elk hunt. Now I’ve always wanted the elk hunt, man.
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I’ve just, you know, I’ve just never made it happen. There’s a lot that goes into it as you know. Yeah. And so they’re taking me to New Mexico. They bought a some tag from a landowner, and they’re gonna take me out there elk hunting.
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That’s a great spot. New Mexico is a great spot for elk.
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He sent me some pictures of some of these bulls. Yeah. I said, what an animal.
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Yeah. New Mexico has got some crazy genetics too. There’s, there’s two there’s there’s a guy who explained this to me that there’s really two different ai, like, Tule elk and Roosevelt elk, there’s Rocky Mountain Elk and then there’s Yellowstone Elk. And the Yellowstone Elk are an older breed that has a larger antlers, a bigger animal, and you find a lot of those in, Arizona, and you find a lot of those in New Mexico.
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So where we’re hunting at is right it it is on the border of Arizona and New Mexico.
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Yes. I bet you have great genetics out there.
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You know what, man? I can’t believe it. I I can’t believe this is the first that ai gonna be my first elk hunt. Are you rifle or bow hunt? It’s gonna be rifle. Now now I’m a big I’m a big archery guy too. When I hunt whitetails, when I started hunting white tails, that was what I did was bow hunt and still bow hunt quite a bit.
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But, but this is a rifle hunt.
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I love bow hunting. Ai hunting is great. It’s most effective, most efficient way to hunt, but there’s something about having to get inside, you know, seventy, eighty yards Yeah. Sneaking up, executing a perfect shot.
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Now you’re a Hoyt guy too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I have been
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too all my life. They make amazing bows.
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My my wife, a couple years ago, bought me that RX seven
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Yeah.
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With the arya, carbon fiber riser. Mhmm. I always wanted a bow with a carbon riser because I remember hunting so many hunts in the Southeast, whitetail hunts, walking into the stand and your hand just getting so cold Right.
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Right. Carrying that bow around. Yeah. That’s the difference. Carbon doesn’t get cold like that, like like aluminum does.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s the main reason I wanted one, but it’s been a great bow.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. They make them better every year, and I don’t know how the fuck they do it. Every year, they just tune a little bit of this and change a little bit of that and adjust the cams and just
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They probably got it mapped out for the next ten years in advance. Yeah. Oh, they do. They could go ahead and make the best one. They just, you know
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Yeah. The it’s incremental improvements based on, like, how the industry is going. But we went to the Hoyt fact I’ve been to the Hoyt factor a few times, but went recently and showed the the process that they make those things. It’s so incredible. It’s all these, like, super sophisticated computers and machines and CNC machines.
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They’re cutting the aluminum and, you know, they have, like, so many different steps to make sure that quality control is perfect and Yeah. You know, at the end, when you get it, you really appreciate it. And they’re so smooth now. Like, I’ve been bow hunting for twelve years now, thirteen years, thirteen years. And just the difference in thirteen years is crazy.
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Like, if I go back and pick up one of my old bows, it just feels archaic. Yep. They’re so smooth now. The draw cycle is so smooth, and they’re so dead in the hand when you fire them.
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And those parallel limbs, and they’re so short and compact. You know, the old bows we used to shoot back in the day, the the old Ai and all that from Hoyt, and Matthews had the old Sai twos and Q twos, and they were just long and and, unwieldy in the in the stand and, you know, you know, you can make, like you said, 100 yard shots now Oh, yeah.
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With a compound bow. Back then, I mean, there wasn’t nobody shooting them bows at a 100 yards No. Because they just weren’t tuned, I think, so finely as the bows that we have today. I mean, that RX seven, man, every time I shoot that bow, it it amazes me at how that arrow, it just flies like a laser beam. Mhmm.
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I’m like, good night, man. Yeah. It’s it’s a cool have you ever shot a stick bow? Yes. Okay.
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I’m not good at it, though. I I shot it on vacation once. I was shah at how bad I was because I’m so good with their compound bow.
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Yeah. I’m
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trying to figure out where to aim, where it goes,
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and do
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all this shit and how to let loose right. It’s, I have a buddy who hunts exclusive to my buddy, Ryan Callahan. He hunts exclusively with a homemade bow. He’s got a, like, a long bow that he made.
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Mhmm. I don’t
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know if he made this one. I know he’s made them before. But, you know, it’s those real simple bows. I’m ai, why? You can’t even get much energy out of that thing, but it’s the extra challenge.
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You gotta get real close.
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You gotta get real close and be real accurate.
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Yeah. I went I took mine on a mule deer hunt up in the Wasatch Range in Utah two years ago. And, yeah, I mean, you you gotta get within seven to 10 yards of that animal with the with the longbow.
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Yeah. I
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mean, I do I do anyways. You know, Fred Ai might he might could have made a 20 or 30 yard shot, but, you know, you gotta meh you gotta get right in their laps. And we were I was on public land. It was a wilderness area. That’s where I like to hunt. I mean, I like wilderness areas.
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That’s the highest designation of preservation that Congress can award to a piece of land. So if you’re in a wilderness area, you know you there’s not gonna be no horses, no mechanized tools. Nobody’s gonna be clearing trails with a chainsaw up there. If you ever wanna go in in the backcountry, find a wilderness arya, not a national park, not a national forest. Find a wilderness area.
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But we are watching these mule deer, and, you know, I’d watch them in the morning. They’d get up and feed. Well, then Ai I’d wait for them to go lay down, and then you had to move on that mule deer and use the terrain put the terrain between you and him, and they’d be bedded down.
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And you could get with the closest I got to one was about five yards. And he was bedded down under a tree just kinda out in this big old rock I was way up in the mountains, big old rocky area. Well, I stalked all the way up there to him, and I got about five yards from where I’d last seen where I saw him bed down at.
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You know, I lost sight of him when I started to speak, and, I got impatient. And I got there, and I was laid down up against the rock, and that tree was right there. And I thought, you know, it took me about an hour to stalk over here. I said, I wonder if he got up and moved.
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And I peeked my head up over that rock, and that big son of a gun was just looking right at me. I’m talking about eye to eye, five yards. He jumped up and tore out of there. That was the closest I got to killing one. But if I would’ve just laid there with that longbow and been patient and wait waited for him to stand up off his meh. Yeah.
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I coulda drew and shot him right there.
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Well, he’s probably already alert. He probably heard you.
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I don’t know if he heard me or not. Yeah. We’ve got Ai had the wind. I had the wind.
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I ears are so good.
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I had shoes on, but, you know, I’m stalking across big big granite, you know, rock slabs and stuff, so it was pretty quiet. I mean, there was no indication when I picked my head up, he was still laying there on bed. There was no indication that he knew I was there other than when he saw me speak my head over the rock and stand up and tear out of there.
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You know?
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They’re the most difficult to hunt because they’re just dealing with mountain lions all day long. Mhmm. And they’re just always, like and they they’ll jump the string quicker than any animal. Oh, okay. Other than ai the craziest ones are Axis deer. Have you ever hunted Axis deer? I haven’t. No. Axis deer evolved with tigers. So they’re they move so fast.
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I I had a video of an access deer that I shot at at 70 plus yards and, with a lighted knock, and you see the arrow. I mean, his arrow is going ai feet a second. You see this arrow launching towards this deer, and this deer is feeding in the field totally broadside. He hears the arrow within 10 yards, ducks down, hauls out, and he’s gone ai the arrow got by the time the arrow got there.
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He hears the arrow in flight.
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Exactly. He had no idea. We were very far away. That’s why I took the shot. It’s one of the things with those animals, like, you’re sometimes better off taking a long shot than a close shot because they hear that bow go off and they just duck and go. I mean, they’re not trying to duck under your arrow. What they’re trying to do is load up their weapons or load up their legs rather.
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Get super low sai they can launch themselves forward and go on. They’re just trying to take off as quickly as possible and that means dropping down. And when they drop down, arrows go right over him. But this one was so fast within 10 yards, he was nowhere near the arrow. His ass was over here.
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The the the the vitals where I aim for is right here. He was already over there. He was two feet away from it, and he didn’t start moving until that arrow was 10 yards away
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ram it. Where was that at?
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That was in Hawaii.
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Hawaii. Okay.
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Lanai is a crazy place because Lanai has no predators, and it’s a small island. It only has 3,000 people living on it, but it has 30,000 deer plus.
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So they want you to kill them?
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They want you to kill them. Kill them as many as you can. They have people that are snipers that go out there at night and Mhmm. Everybody on the island eats good because it’s the best meat. Axis deer is delicious if you’ve ever had it. It’s right up there with elk. It’s fantastic meh.
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And they’re just completely overpopulated, so they have to do it. So people hunt them there three hundred and sixty five days a year. So high pressure. So they’re used to, ai, they’re always with with their head on swivel, always looking around for a hunter.
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That would be a fun hunt. That would tune you up.
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Oh, it it’s great before elk season.
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Yeah. That would tune you up.
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Because you’ll get if you blow a stalk, you get another stalk in ten seconds. Mhmm. Like, you’re on another animal and you’re in these fields that used to be where, the Dole plant grew pineapples. So it’s it’s kind of a weird ground, like, I guess, the way they would farm pineapples, they would put, like, a layer of plastic down and then the soil would be above the plastic.
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So everywhere you go, it’s weird. You sai, like, almost like garbage bag plastic underneath the dirt all over the place.
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I’ll be darned.
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And these animals are you’ll you’ll ai you’ll sit on the top of a hill and look down on a field, and you might see 600 Axis deer wandering around this field.
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Good night.
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Yeah. It’s it’s crazy. It’s crazy. It’s so it’s so unnatural.
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But Is that are they they’re not native?
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No. Okay. They were given to King Kamehameha by, I think, the king of, India, whatever the ruler of India was in the eighteen hundreds.
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And they
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gave and they’ve had them on this island forever. And they’re just completely overpopulated.
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Yeah.
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They’re all, like, all over the place and big ones too. That’d be a fun hunt. Oh, it’s a great hunt. It’s a great if if you have a rifle, it’s a no brainer. It’s ai you’re 100% gonna get a deer. But if you got a bow I mean, I went out there with Cam Haines and Remy Warren and Adam Greentree and all these just ai bonafide killers who, like, world class hunters.
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Cam’s best in the world, man.
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Best in the world. And we and John Dudley was there too. We went out there and we were there for, like, six or seven days and everyone was successful. And then we made a podcast about it, blew up the Outfitters, a great place to go hunt. You stay at the Four Seasons, incredible food, amazing meh amenities, beautiful, beautiful resort. And then you get to go and hunt in this incredible place.
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But after we left, he said they had a 150 people come within that season from from then until the time we went back the next year. One guy was successful with the bow. One. One. Ai, man. And you’re just so many opportunities, but they’re so fast.
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And if you That’s
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bad odds.
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Bad odds. Yeah. Well, you have here’s the deal. Don’t try the morning. I used I’ve hunted in the morning and I’ve been successful, but it’s too fucking quiet. You really wanna go in the afternoon because in the afternoon, you get a lot of wind. Yep. And, you know, you just gotta pick your spots and play your stocks correctly.
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Have you turkey hunted? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Eastern or or what what type of turkey?
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It was in California. Okay.
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It was in there, Merriam’s or
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Probably. It was in the the, the wine country up there. I went up there with Steve Rinella. Okay. He took me turkey on. It was fun.
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You know, his buddy’s a big squirrel hunter. Steve’s buddy’s a big squirrel hunter. What’s that guy named? Clay Nookum. Yeah. He’s got a bunch of ai dogs. He I think he hunts off of mules. Yes. I tell you what we ought to do. We ought to set up a big squirrel hunt with everybody.
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What me me and you and Clay and Cam and and we’ll just we ought to set up a big squirrel hunt
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one week. I’ve had squirrel once. With Ranella, he cooked some squirrel up for us. It was good.
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Boy, if we could get him to come in and cook too, that would be outstanding.
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It would be.
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Because I have a hard time making this wild game taste taste worth a flip. Do you? I’m just not a good cook.
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I noticed that. Well, I was gonna talk to you about your steak cooking. We gotta work on that.
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Yeah. I’m just not much of a cook, man.
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I watched you cook a steak on a Traeger, and I was like, listen. There’s a way to cook a steak on a Traeger is you can cook a steak on a Traeger. Like, you could cook like, if you have a roast, like, you can cook a good roast on the Traeger, but the reality is you need to be able to sear it.
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And so you can’t really sear things on a Traeger. And I sai what you did. You tried to turn the temperature up real high and then cook at the end. The key is meh it on a frying pan. Like, get it low and slow on the Traeger. I like 225 degrees with the super smoke. Get it nice and smoky. Mhmm.
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Get it up to a 120 degrees and then cast iron skillet. Get that motherfucker hot. Put some beef tallow in there and, like, ninety seconds on each side.
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Seals it up. Perfect. Now do you do meh of your own cooking?
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Yeah. I do almost all my own cooking.
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Okay.
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Yeah. I cook a lot.
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Does your wife cook?
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Yeah. She cooks too.
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Yeah. My my wife cooks. I’m so blessed that she cooked because I’ve got a long ways to go. I actually made a a goal of mine I’ve been working on. I I cook for her one night a week. And, it’s worked out a few times, but I’m learning. Sai appreciate that tip on the speak, though.
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Yeah. The tip on the steak, it’s reverse sai is what it’s called. And, I learned that, from, whiskey bent my ai, Chad, whiskey bent barbecue. And he said, if you really wanna cook a steak correctly, because you want it to be slowly cooked and then speak the outside. A lot of people will try to sear it first. He’s like, I don’t agree with that.
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The other thing, the way to get it the juiciest steak is to slow cook it and then sai it at the end, the reverse sear method.
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Well, I’m gonna try that
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when I get the house. It’s the move.
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My ai cousin raises all the cows we eat. Oh, that’s great. Ai mama makes all the bread we eat. My wife grows all the the vegetables that we eat. I’m Ai sai seasonally. You know what I mean? Seasonally. My cousin raises all the cows. You know, we get our water right out of the ground.
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I take buckets of water once a week, go collect water, comes right out of a a a a spring. Some old rednecks found a spring back in there and ran a PVC pipe out of it, you know, and so we just go there and collect all of the water.
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Totally off the grid.
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Well, you know, we’ll we’ll order some stuff from the grocery store, you know, just it it would But your
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home is totally
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off the grid. Be hard at all to to ramp things up to the point that we were 100% eating what we could produce as a family unit. No no one purse like, no one person is going to produce everything that they need for them and their family to eat. Like, it
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Right.
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It’s my cousin. He raises cows. You know? So we know where they’re coming from. We know how they’re living. We know what they’re being fed. Like I said, my mama makes bread. My wife can grow anything. It’s an effort. You know, I hunt. I can bring in wild game meat at any time.
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Everybody ai thinks about when the apocalypse comes. You know, you think you’re gonna be eating all these deer and elk and stuff. You’re gonna be eating squirrel, buddy. Squirrel and birds, maybe a possum every now and then. Them deer’s gonna be gone quick. Probably. Right?
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Small game a smut if if you sana really subsistence, you know, get your meat from the wild, you gotta be able to hunt small game. Squirrels, rabbits, coon, possum, you gotta be able to hunt them. You know, you go out and try to hunt a coon without a dog, you ain’t gonna kill no coon. Right. You know?
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I can take a good dog and I can kill 10 coons in an an hour if I’m sana eat a rat.
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Raccoon taste like?
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Raccoon’s pretty greasy. You gotta, again, you gotta cook it right. You know? So much wild game. Other than elk, I found elk seems to be really, really good even if you’re not a skilled cook. Yeah. You know? To me, anyways, it’s the best wild game meat I’ve ever ate. Yeah. I agree.
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But but,
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like, these squirrels, coons, things like small game, even rabbit, they can get real tough, you know, that you can
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Is that raccoon, Jamie?
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Yeah. That’s coon right there. You cook it in a crock pot. A lot of this small game, you you, slow cook it, you know, and that kinda helps keep it moist and and break it down. Yeah. But, anyways, man, I’m all over the darn place.
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And you probably have to cook it to a high temperature too. Raccoons probably get trichinosis. Right?
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I don’t know if a coon does or not. I’ve killed a bunch of bears, and I know they do.
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They do.
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Yeah. That’s the one thing I didn’t like about bear.
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Yeah. Me too. It it makes me uncomfortable.
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I killed I’ve killed two black bears, both of them with my bow. Both of them about 500 pounds.
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Well those are big black bears.
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Ai, big black bears.
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Are these Georgia black bears?
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No. These are Virginia. There’s a place in Virginia called the Great Dismal Swamp. It’s about a 110,000 acre continuous block of land. That’s what’s left of it. It’s eat up with bears. I mean, I would take my coon dog down down the the the swamp bottom. We called it the run.
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And, during springtime, when them bears were out with cubs, I couldn’t even hardly run my coon dog up and down through there. There were so many bears in there. And them sows would get they would get, you know, mad at us for being in there and start popping their teeth and making racket.
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I took a young man with me down in there one ai. First time he ever been coon hunting. I was hunting a dog called a leopard curr, and I cut that dog loose in there, and he went down in there. Oh, boom. Slam treed. I thought, alright.
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This is good because coon hunting can be rough. We walked down in there, and I had this man this young guy with me. He had the rifle. We got up to the tree, and I walk up to that dog and leash it up. And I’m fooling with the dog, getting it leashed back on the tree there. And he said, what is that? I said, what are you talking about?
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He said, stop and listen. And I stopped, and that dog quit barking for a second. And all of a sudden, I could hear bark raining down on the leaves above my head because it was summertime. About that time, about 300 pound black bear comes sliding down out of that tree like it was on a fireman’s pole.
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Bryden I’m talking about that Jugger landed right in the midst of me, him, and the dog. And he’s standing there. He’s just bryden, because he never been coon hunting before. He’s got the gun. He’s just frozen.
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And about the time that bear hit the ground, I snapped the leash off of that dog, because the dog was my only chance to run this bear out of our vicinity. And those these Kerr dogs are real greedy. They won’t back up. They’re I I mean, they won’t back up from nothing. They’re like a like a Gamecock, man.
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And, that dog tore out after that bear, ran him out. I looked over at that boy. I said, what were you just gonna you’ve got the gun. You just stood there and didn’t he said,
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well, I thought
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that happens all the ai. But that’s how many bears was in this area, man. So I’d be out there whitetail hunting, you know, and a big old 500 pound boar bear would come up. You know? I’ve had them climb the tree that I was sitting in the tree stand. But a bear you know, if a big one came by, it’s hard it’s hard not to shoot a big trophy bear, especially with a bow.
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So I’ve killed two, but when we killed them bear, I would just, there was a lot of poor real poor people that lived around in there. Well, there was one man named Zachariah. He was about a 90 year old black man. He had one eye. He hunted year round because he had to hunt to eat. We’d see him out in the field deer hunting in the middle of ai.
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Wouldn’t nobody say nothing to him because they knew he had to eat. But I’d call Zachariah when I killed that bear. Well, then he would call all of his people in the community, and we’d take that bear down to the skinning shah. And within ten minutes, we’d have 50 people lined up at the skinning shed with grocery bags.
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And so we would cut this bear up and process this bear, and these, you know, poor people, they’d come down there and get them a big piece of meat. Well, by ai time everybody was done, they wouldn’t maybe but one piece of meat left. You know what I mean? Because I don’t like bear, but I sure do like killing them.
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Have you
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ever had it cooked well? Done well?
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We we’ve cooked some at the house, but I haven’t I mean, I haven’t that that’s what I’m saying. I’m not a good cook.
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Ai. You just have to learn how to do it. My ai, John and Jen, they run, an outfitter in, their outfitters in Alberta, and they’re bear hunters. And, I’ve been bear hunting with them, and they take, like, a roast, and they’ll cook it on a Traeger. They brine it. They put it in, like, they marinate it, and it’s fantastic. It’s, like, some of, like, better than the best roast beef you’ve ever had.
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Oh, I know there’s a way. There’s a way to make it taste good.
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It’s all it’s also in what they eat, you know. Yeah. If you get them and they’ve been eating ai a dead moose and, you know, and they’ve been feasting on that for a couple weeks and then it’s rotten and they just they stink. And that’s not good. No. They They wanna get acorn bears.
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These bears, we were killing what they would they the reason they were so big, they were eating corn and soybeans.
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Yeah. Perfect.
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You know? They now they need a pile of deer guts too. I mean Yeah.
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They eat everything.
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I I would I would gut a deer out there. You know, if I killed a deer, I gut it in the woods. I don’t gut them back at the house. I just gut them in the woods. And you come back an hour later, and they wouldn’t be a not a not a speck of them guts left. Crazy. I mean, they would eat the fire out of them.
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Do you know that the early pioneers preferred bear meat and they used deer just for skins?
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No. I did not know that.
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Yeah. The like, Daniel Boone and all those fellows, they those guys, they were bear hunters.
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They wanted the fat?
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They eat yeah. They wanted the fat, and they ate bear meat because ai thought it was closer to beef. Yeah.
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Well, it is closer to beef Yeah. I would say than than deer.
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Yeah. I would say so. Especially, if it and if it’s cooked well, it’s delicious. It’s just you gotta get a bear that’s not eating rotten meat and not eating fish and and cook it right. But if you cook it right, it’s fantastic. It’s really good. Bear sausage is fantastic. It’s all just in how you get it prepared. Yeah. How you do it.
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Ai is really good at
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it. Well, see, I gotta start running in the right circles with people that can cook. Yeah. That’s my problem.
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My friend Jesse, who owns this restaurant here called Ai Douay, what is Jesse’s at he’s he runs a school that teaches people how to shoot hogs, how to how to butcher them, how to cook them. And, you know, he he likes old, ruddy, old hogs, and he really knows how to do it correctly. So this is it.
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This is a new school of traditional cookery. So Jesse will take people and he’ll take them out there, teach them how to hunt, teach them everything about it. How to how to stalk an animal, how to dress the game, how to cook it and prepare it, and what the cuts you’re looking for, and he teaches classes on this.
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How cool is that?
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It’s amazing. I mean, it’s a small class because he wants to do it correctly, but he’s incredible. In that restaurant, if you ever get a chance to go to a ai in town, it’s amazing.
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I’m gonna go ahead and tell you, if you can make an old boar hog taste good Yeah. You will have gotten to be a master.
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Oh, he’s a master. He also, like, cooked diver ducks for us, which everybody says are disgusting. Yeah. And they were fantastic. And he’s ai, it’s all just in the preparation.
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Yeah.
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He marinated them. He slow cooked them on a on a smoker. They were fantastic.
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All that stuff just takes time, you know. Yeah. It just takes time. It’s so much easier just to just to cook a rib eye.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know what I mean? That’s the easiest. It’s the easiest.
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Yeah. It’s just there’s something about wild game to me that’s it’s different kind of food.
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It’s Yeah.
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It’s it feels different when you eat it. There’s more energy to it. Yeah. It’s ai it’s just so nutrient dense. You eat it and your whole body just goes, Whoo. Mhmm.
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You
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feel it. You know? Like, you cook a elk speak, and you eat that medium rare, and you just ai into it, and it’s juicy and
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I can’t wait, man.
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Oh, yeah.
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I hope I get one. I I think I got a good chance of getting one. These boys are serious. Yeah. So
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Well, with a rifle, your chances are a lot ai, and I know you’re a real good shot. So you you’re probably and it a guy like you also could shoot accurately at a distance, which is huge. Yeah. You know, I have no idea you’re there. You know, you can I’m sure you can make a 500 yard shot easy.
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And if your ai tuned correctly for something like that, it’s like you got a pretty good shot.
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Have you been, have you been up to the Yukon Territory at all? No. No. I haven’t. I just got back.
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What were you doing up there?
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It’s been it’s been, you know, it’s been quite the journey, both on the on the macro and the micro level, to wind up here at this table with you. I speak the last about the last month sitting with a good friend of mine, one of my biggest mentors in my life. I sit I’d sit with him for hours on end while he was dying. And, then I I I had to leave him, and I went out to the Yukon.
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Sorry, man. We need to talk more about that, by the way. And, I had a I’ve got a teammate that I went through speak training and all with. He was paralyzed fourteen years ago, and he wanted to go on sana adventure. And I said, well, there’s a race out there. It’s a thousand mile kayaking race.
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It’s the longest kayaking race in the world on the Yukon River. Totally unsupported. He said, alright. Well, it took he prepared for about two years, and, we went out there and did that on the Yukon River.
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Wow. And
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then I came home, and my my buddy died the day I got home. And so, it’s been a, man, it’s been a ai last month or so. Have you ever got to sit with anybody While they’re dying. Important to you?
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Not while they’re dying.
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I highly recommend it. It will teach you so much, man.
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About what’s important.
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It has made me grow. Like, I don’t know, man. It just gives me the daggone chills thinking about it. And the crazy thing is is the type of person Sai used to be, I would have thought, you know, going and sitting with someone who’s dying is a waste of time. Like, I got other things to do. Right? You do too. We got busy lives. Well, this man, he mentored me, hunting and everything, working, all that.
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His name was Don Tidwell ram the time I was about 13 to the time I left to go become a Navy SEAL. Well, I did my whole Navy thing. I got out. I reconnected with Dom for a while, but then I started this company now that we have, three of seven project, got busy. I have a curse from my military service. It’s it’s I have this unique ability to be able to forget you ever existed.
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When when I, you know, when you when I get on some sort of mission and you’re not part of that anymore, I can forget you ever existed. And so I lost touch with him because of my own selfishness and been doing this thing for the last four, five years. Well, his wife called me and said, look. He just wants to see you one more time. He’s got pancreatic cancer. He’s got maybe two weeks left.
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He just wants to see you one more time.
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Good night, man.
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Took a lot of courage for me to go show up in front of him and sit down with him and say, mister Don, I’m sorry. I haven’t been the friend to you that you deserve. Will you forgive me? He’s laying there dying. He looks back at me and says, son, there’s nothing to forgive. I mean, just like and and then from that point, I’d go sit with him twice a week for eight or nine or ten hours, just sit right there by his bed.
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I read the scriptures to him. He only had a third grade education. We read about the gospel, and we read about the resurrection, and we read about creation. And, you know, we don’t The first thing that you learn, I think, when you sit with somebody that’s dying is that death is the great foe that that sits above mankind and scoffs at our wisdom.
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You get what I’m saying? Yeah. He he said that death is this great foe. It is the enemy that sits above us and mocks the wisdom of man. Mister Don had built up at an basically, an empire within the within the community he lived in.
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He had made millions and millions of dollars as an entrepreneur, couldn’t read or write. But, he still had to succumb to this process that’s coming for all of us. Like, I don’t know, man. That was ai that that just hit me. Like, we think we wanna look up at the ai, and we want to explain how the cosmos began, and we can’t even solve our own biggest problem.
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We can’t solve our own biggest problem, which is death. Right? It’s the it’s the biggest problem for all of us.
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Yeah.
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We can’t figure out how to solve it, how to overcome it. Like, we don’t think about this enough. Like, have you ever thought, why are you dying? Have you ever thought about that? Sure. Like like, not like, I get it. Like, all of us, we understand death as, you know, we go along through this life, but and then something happens.
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We get hit by a car, one of our organs fail, cancer happens, whatever, and we say that killed us. Right? And that thing did kill us, but your entire life is leading you to that point. Like, why do you have to die? Like, it’s it’s by necessity.
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You must die. Why? What’s killing you? What what do you what’s killing you?
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Well, age. Your body stops reproducing correctly. Your cells don’t reproduce correctly anymore.
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Sai why does that happen? What’s causing that?
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Every animal almost every animal on this planet has a a ai line that it exists in it. It’s probably it’s probably, a natural function of keeping a saloni. Ai, all of nature has a balance. Mhmm. And Ai mean, can you imagine if mosquitoes lived a thousand years? What a fucking pain in the ass that would be?
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No. They get a couple, but, you know, how long does a mosquito live? A week?
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How
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long does a fly live? A week? Good. Because ai, we’d be fucked. You know, a deer, a good deer, a good deer that’s like the best days of its ai. It’s like thirteen years, it’s done. It’s over. It’s gonna it’s it’s limping. It’s gonna get torn apart by coyotes. Whatever gets it. Everything has a ai. Because if it didn’t, then there’d be too many people.
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There’d be too
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many would be The
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balance would be all fucked up.
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That’s that’s a great answer, man.
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The thing is there’s a lot of scientists that are working on vatsal. A lot of scientists that I’ve talked to that are treating aging, like a disease. So instead of just accepting the fact, like, oh, you’re 50 now. Things are slowing down. Like, well, why are they slowing down, and what can we do to reverse that?
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I love thinking along those ai, man. Like, yeah. I Ai love that.
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At the very least, what it does is improves your performance radically as an older person. Mhmm. Improves your physical performance. Mhmm. What what was what people would be capable of naturally with no supplements twenty, thirty years ago. It’s a very different world today. Very, very, very different. Mhmm.
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And with all the different modalities, all the different things you could do ai hyperbaric treatments, NMN, supplementation, red light therapy, cold plunge, sauna, all these different things radically change the composition of your body and your overall metabolic health. Radically changes it.
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And then with hormone therapy and all the other different things that you can do, I mean, it’s just a just because of science and because of people figuring these things out, it’s it’s a radically different world than it was in the past.
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But is is there a solution? Like, is there a fix for death? Like, is anyone searching or even contemplating that?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. David Sinclair is all over that. He’s a guy from Harvard that we’ve had on the podcast a few times. The he’s that’s his primary study. They’re they’re treating aging as a disease and trying to figure out what different types of medication, what different types of therapies, what’s the root cause of the cells aging and not reproducing correctly.
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It’s an ugly thing, man.
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Oh, it gets rough, especially if you don’t take care of yourself. Yeah. You know, that’s the rough one. When you see people that have been drinking their whole life ai then they they they quit at 75, and you’re like, it’s a little late. You know, even torturing your body, forcing your body to process poison for decades.
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Yeah.
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You know, and the and also just living in cities saloni. You knew you were talking about that meh, that that weird smell that you get in cities. That’s fucking brake dust and tires and exhaust fumes.
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And doo doo.
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And doo doo. It’s a little bit of doo doo. Not bad here. Go to San Francisco.
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I found a turd on the side of the trail today, a human turd. Ugh. It was a terrible log too, man. Yeah. My wife took went back and took a video of it. You might see it on YouTube in the next couple of days.
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Okay. Your visit to Austin.
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But, yeah, meh, just sitting with him makes makes me contemplate these these things. And and and for me, obviously, because of, my world view being shaped by scripture, it makes me go to scripture and bounce these questions off of the scriptures, you know. And and even it I I think it was powerful too because, you know, I’m sitting with a man who’s important to me, who is bearing this burden of death.
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And ai the way, he bore it well. It was amazing to me that I could go and sit with him, and he would talk to me and take time to spend with me even in the midst of this terrible, process that he was going through. I told him, I said, you could’ve just laid there on on this bed and not said a word to anybody, and nobody would’ve blamed you. You know, it’s scary.
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It’s it’s you you’re he couldn’t sit still, you know, and and, because he was in so much pain. It’s daggone vatsal is rough, man.
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Pancreatic is bad.
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Yeah. It’s rough. But but then, you know, he had these same questions that I’m thinking. Like, why does this have to happen? You know? And then for me then to have to go and search the scriptures and then come to him with the scriptures and share the scriptures with him to you know, give him some of the answers that he had.
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You know, it’s like, I would read a scripture to him and he would say because, again, mister Don had a a strong faith in the message of what we call the gospel. But he didn’t know all the other stuff because he couldn’t read.
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Right.
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So I would read a scripture to him, and and then he would say, read another one. Read another one. And I was see it was the it was the wildest thing, dude. I I’ve never seen it. I’ve never seen anything like it before. I’ve been I’ve been following, the lord Jesus for thirteen years now. I was reading these words off of the page, not even explaining them to him.
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I was just reading him these scriptures, and they were manifesting, like, power in him. Like, you could see you you witnessed a change in his expression and his his attitude. It was ai these words I’m reading are manifesting power and hope and, like, literal energy. Like, I would come over and read the scriptures to him, and he would been in bed for the last four days, wouldn’t get up for anybody.
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I’d read the scriptures to him, and then next thing you know, we’d be out on the porch. Like, he’d get out of bed, and we’d go walk out on the porch. I’d have to help him walk. Right? And his wife kept saying, you’re the best thing for him right now. I’m like, no. You don’t understand. It’s not my presence.
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For somehow, I’m reading him from these scriptures, and it’s, like, manifesting some sort of power and hope in him. And it it, like, would give him energy in some way. And, I I can’t I’ve never seen it happen. Ai, like, I’ve never witnessed that before. You know?
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Well, it’s probably even more profound because he can’t read, so you’re reading
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it to
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him. Dude. Right?
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Dude, it was wild, man. Like and I would read these scriptures to him, Joe, and he would say, ai. I Sai understand that now. And, like, we’re reading complex things. Like, we’re reading about the resurrection, like, the the bodily resurrection of all the saints sai at the the second coming of Christ.
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And, you know, he asked me one of the questions he asked me, has any has anybody ever really explained to you what happens when we leave here? You know? Because he’s wondering these things. Like, I’m about to I’m about to depart this tent, buddy. What’s about to happen?
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And I’m like, well, the only answer I can give you, mister Don, has got to come from these scriptures. And, so and I would read these complex scriptures to ram, first Corinthians chapter fifteen and second Corinthians chapter ai. And, he would he would under like, it would make sense to him in his mind more than my mind could comprehend the truth of what I was reading. Mhmm.
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Like, that was what was wild. It was
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like that stage in his life when he’s taking it in.
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This veil between this realm and the next realm was getting thin, and he was taking in the truth of this word and processing it logically at a level that I can’t process it because this veil for for us is still so thin, unless you hit that DMT. Right? We’ll talk about that later. But, but ai? Yeah. And so I’m witnessing it was wild, dude. And and two, like, crazy things happen.
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Like, when I’d sit with him, like, every, you know, couple hours, I’d get up and go check-in with his wife or something. And and we had a camera in in the room with him, and, we could watch what he was doing. And when I would walk out of the room, you give it a few minutes, and you would see him start to look above him.
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And he was he would be reaching like this for stuff above him. And, like, we didn’t know what he was doing. We never even asked him. I wish I would’ve asked him, like, mister Don, what are you seeing? Like, what are you reaching for?
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Well, then back when I would come back in the room with him, he would stop doing it. And then toward the end there, he had a stroke. He was paralyzed one his whole left side of his body was paralyzed, and so he was just you know, he couldn’t sit up or do anything. And then finally, at the very end, when he passed away, he literally sits up out of he sits up erect in his out of his hospital bed, reaches both of his hands straight up like this, and then lays back down and departs the tent.
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59:37
Woah. So I started researching this. What what the crap is going on there?
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Ai wish you asked him what he was reaching for.
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You you watch there are you the I found this hospice nurse on Instagram. I don’t remember her name. But she’s she’s, like, posting all these videos of people doing this exact thing. They’re and they’re reaching for stuff, and and she’s a hospice nurse. Right?
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Save it? Do you have it on your phone?
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I I don’t no. I don’t have it. I don’t remember. It’s a she’s got a lot of following. She’s got a big following. Just look up
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Jamie will probably find it.
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Hospice nurse on Instagram or whatever, but she posts all these videos of these people. Is this her?
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Oh, they’re reaching.
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They’re, like, calling out I don’t know if that’s not her, but this is another one. That’s not the one I watch.
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One of the death reach.
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It’s a very common thing, and they’re calling out a lot of times the names of loved ones that have passed before them. They’re seeing something. Like, the they’re seeing into the other realm. Oh, it’s that lady on the far right over there. That’s the one I ai. She’s a little crazy, but I’m gonna go ahead and tell you. She puts out some wild stuff, man. This is common stuff, man.
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Her name? What’s her name, Jamie? It says below hospice nurse Ai.
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Weeks before their death. When they’re able to tell us what they’re seeing when they’re able to tell us about these visions, they’re almost always above them or up in the corner of the room. But sometimes as they get closer to the end of life and they’re no longer able to communicate, we start seeing them reach into the air.
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So I’m convinced that when they are reaching into the air, they arya reaching towards those people who they love, who have died before them.
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That this woman’s not a believer in, as far as I know. I I don’t think I don’t know what her, you know, what how her worldview is is on in terms of what happens after this. But she’s just sitting here showing you ai, hey. This happens. Yeah. We can’t figure out why. We can’t figure out what’s going on.
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Obviously, for me, when I see that happening, when mister Don sits up in the bed even though he’s literally paralyzed by a stroke, he sits it’s an it’s an impossibility. He sits up in his bed and reaches both hands in the air and then lays down and departs the tent. What do I I have to believe that, like, his transportation had arrived. You know what I mean? Yeah. And to witness that, how does that not, like, strengthen Yeah.
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Your you you’re you’re witnessing something that’s tangible. It’s ai, how does that not strengthen at least your faith that there is something coming after this. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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There’s so many stories. And the thing is people have this arrogant assumption, and this is a lot of based on academics and science and this on this belief that we have all the answers to to reality, when we don’t even really understand consciousness. We don’t. Consciousness is a massive mystery. So the this idea that we’ve got it solved, and when I when I hear people say, when you ai, that’s it.
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It’s over. Like, how do you know? You’re just saying this.
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Mhmm.
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You’re just saying this, that that is as much of a belief system as any religion. This this belief in something that you have no evidence of whatsoever, but there’s so many anecdotal stories of people with near death experiences, including Sebastian Junger. Do you know who he is?
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Ai heard the name.
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Brilliant, journalist. He great author. He’s written some incredible books. He did Restrepo. Right? Mhmm. Documentary about the war. And he’s just sai amazing, interesting, very, very intelligent guy. And the last time he was on the podcast, he was telling us a story about he had a medical emergency. Some sort of, was like a an artery burst.
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Right, Jamie? Yeah. Something inside of his his bryden, and he was bleeding out on the ai.
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Mhmm.
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And he was dying. And he got to the hospital and had this near death experience that, like, very, very vivid experience interacting with his father, like, just beyond anything that he would have ever comprehended and came back with a completely different perspective on life and death and, like, what this is and where that there is something else.
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There’s something out there. And people that have had near death experiences or died and been resuscitated, they come back with the same fucking story over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. It’s not there’s not a lot of variation. There’s different interpretations of what they’re seeing, but it all fits within the same framework.
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It all fits within a framework that this is there’s something there. Did you
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see the video of this kid, like, a couple weeks ago? No. He’s having a wild experience where he sees Jesus. He sees his dead father. Come on. He says it’s beautiful.
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What why is this kid
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I miss my ai. My hair casing. I I
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think he was sick, and he’s coming out of, surgery. I don’t know the exact story on what was happening
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to him. Jesus.
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This video was on long. It’s a meh minute video, but Woah.
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He’s gonna dream. He’s dreaming. Yeah. He’s dreaming ai lot. He’s seeing into a different he’s seeing into the next realm. Yeah. Oh, this is how she can. Yeah. This is Well, you
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could dismiss that. You could dismiss that if you wanted to.
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Yeah. You can you can, man. But look, man. I and and I don’t even need all these signs and wonders. Like, I I I don’t even need all that, man. I mean, it’s great when you get the opportunity to witness things ai I got to witness with my friend, mister Don, and and just see his faith and see that the word manifest power in him.
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Like, it’s great when you get to see it, but you can get too carried away with all that stuff too. You know what I mean? It’s like, I don’t know, man. You know, I’m wondering, Joe, if the almighty ain’t calling you.
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Calling me how? On the phone?
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Calling you, man.
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What do you mean? In what way?
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I’m just wondering. I think I think a lot of people are wondering what the almighty is doing, what he’s working in you. Sai, scripture is dripping with something that’s called election. A lot of people get mad about me talking about this but this this truth that we will never choose god, the almighty. We will never choose to believe.
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As a matter of fact, scripture actually says over and over again, the the whole message of the cross is foolishness. It’s foolishness. I mean, seriously? Some dude died on a cross? What does that represent to man? That represents weakness. That represents defeat. That represents death. You’re gone.
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The the message of the cross is foolishness to man. We will never choose to believe in the message of what we call the gospel. That is that Jesus Christ died on the cross according to the scriptures. He was buried and that he rose again by his own power according to the scriptures.
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That’s foolishness. And the only way that we can or will ever believe that, like, truly place our faith in that and everything that’s contained in that statement right there, because there’s a lot there, you could literally spend the rest of your life meditating on that right there, the gospel, the what was done on the cross and by way of the resurrection of Christ.
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You would never get to the end of it. You would never comprehend everything. You would never search it to its bottom. You will never believe that, and the only way that you can believe that is if the almighty in his grace basically makes you alive spiritually. Because these things are spiritually discerned. They’re not logically discerned. They’re foolishness to man. These things must be spiritually appraised.
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And so the almighty, by his grace, makes you alive, literally, spiritually ai, so that then you can discern the truth of not only the gospel, but everything, the totality of what is contained in scripture. It’s called the doctrine of election. And so when I say, I wonder if the almighty is calling you, what I mean is I wonder if you are one of the almighty’s elect. Oh, boy.
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That’s a lot. And and if you are, you better hold on to your britches, son.
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I oftentimes wonder what’s going on and why me. Yeah.
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You you must, man.
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Yeah.
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You must.
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It doesn’t make
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sense. You must. And I hate you know, that’s a personal thing, meh, and I I don’t I I hope you don’t take that as any disrespect.
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No. I
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don’t. It’s just, for me, seeing it’s it’s odd how much we have in common. Seeing what what a, special human being you are. Like, it’s exciting for me to be able to hope that the almighty is indeed calling you. Like, that’s exciting, dude. Like, I like, literally, I prayed for you last night. Wow.
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Like, I I literally on your behalf, I meh the almighty to basically make you alive spiritually sai that you could have discernment and be able to appraise these things that are in scripture that have seemed like foolishness for so long to you. You know what? They seem like foolishness for me to me for a long, long time, dude.
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What changed?
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We’re talking about a bunch of wild stuff, man. And and I ai Can I
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take you back ai we’re in the middle of this? I’d love to take you back to, like, how you got on this journey of being a podcaster and then to that. Because I sana know, like, what is the transition from the SEALs to becoming this guy who’s very outspoken on YouTube and starts putting these videos out and things get interesting, and then you very very religious and and spreading that in your YouTube as well.
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Like, how did this whole journey get started for you?
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Well, I had, I decided I wanted to become a Speak because I wasn’t really good at anything else in ai, and I, you know, didn’t wanna go back to school and all that stuff. That’s a whole long story, but I decided I wanted to do that. Ai finally I went to join the navy. Ai disqualified ai, sent me back home after boot ram, wouldn’t let me go to BUDS, told me I never would be able to become a speak because I had a pericardial cyst on my heart, seven centimeter cyst on my heart.
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01:11:47
You can look it up. Research navy seal pericardial cyst. You can read the whole medical journal. I’m the only one. Came back home, paid for my own heart surgery as a civilian, showed back up in the Navy less than a year later, made it all the way through Speak training unscathed.
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So what they have to do? They have to remove the cyst?
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Yeah. They had to cut my chest open and take a big old cyst off my butt.
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Is the did they have to open your ribs, the whole deal?
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Not from here to here.
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Oh, so they go through
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the ribs? Ai speak up, peeled it up, cut me open right there, and went in there and took that cyst off.
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How long did it take to recover from that?
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Took me about a year. I was back in the navy about a year after that surgery. You know? But but I if I if it wouldn’t have been for that, I wouldn’t have made it through SEAL training, man. I didn’t even know how to swim, dude. I didn’t know how to swim. That’s crazy. I I I was the most unlikely person to ever make it through SEAL training. Okay? Hands down.
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Did you have any background in physical fitness? No. Nothing?
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01:12:45
Lord, no. I didn’t, man. It took me it took me two or three months to pass a mile and a half run. Wow. Yeah. Made it through SEAL training, all this and that good stuff. I had a very colorful career. Arya off real good, got real bad. I mean, I’ve been through it all. I’ve been in SEAL training at the end of our BUDS prep phase. You know, I was awarded the hard charger award.
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You know? Everybody selected me. The instructor cadre said, you’re the one that’s gonna make it. I was actually the only one to ever receive that award to make it through that training pipeline. Everyone else they had selected up until that point all quit.
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But they selected me not based on my physical abilities, but based on the fact that I had had a dang heart surgery just to have a chance to tow the ai, to try something that everybody quits anyways.
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01:13:38
So did you train for the Speak training? Did you, like, give yourself enough time to get physically fit?
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01:13:43
After that heart surgery, when I went in the first time, I could barely pass the physical standards test that I needed to pass to get the SEAL contract. If I would’ve went straight through and wouldn’t have had that heart surgery, there’s no way I would’ve made it. I wouldn’t have been able to meet the physical standards once I actually got the BUDS. There’s no way.
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But when I had that heart surgery, then I finally got to where I could, you know, Okay. Man, I at that point, I wanted it so bad because I had to go through all that. You see what I’m saying? I didn’t want it that bad until I had to go through all that pain and and fear and have my chest cut open and all this crap.
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01:14:21
But, man, when I came out the other end of that, like I said, man, I was like a game rooster, man. It was like you look into the eye of a game rooster, and he’s got one burning hot ai. It’s to fight. I mean, you, a man, appreciate combat sports. You ought to go watch a cock ai one day. Ai mean, just that’s what I had. I just had this burning hot desire to for this thing.
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01:14:45
Nothing was gonna stop me. Made it all the way through. Man, I had a a lot of ups and downs in my time in the teams. That’s a whole that’s that’s a three hour long story, but basically
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plenty of time.
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Basically, man, I I got to my Speak team, and they had slaughtered our entire team to cover down on Africa and a couple other European countries. And, I got so pissed because I’m like, there’s a war happening. Like, that’s the reason I joined. Like, everybody that joined wants to go and fight in this war.
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And here now, I’m wind up at this place that’s, you know, not gonna go where everybody wants to go. I got so vatsal, And through the course of a couple of years, I just got involved in all manner of what I would call sana. All meh. Drunkenness, sleeping around with women, hurting people on purpose, hateful, terrible person. I didn’t love anybody.
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01:16:04
And the the the whole down the what what the downfall of it is Ai was overseas. I was on a I and we had a range day. The night before, I had went out and then just burned it down, son. I had no business going to the range that day. I’m a go ahead and tell you. But what do you do? You get up and go to the range. Right?
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01:16:31
I’m sitting over on the range, messing with my gun, pretty out of it, and I have a negligent discharge. And the guy that’s standing beside me is my gunner’s mate, and it barely skims him in the side of his leg. The it was pointed down. Thank god. Pointed down. That happened, and that was the thing that, ai, like, stopped me in my tracks. Like, holy crap, Chad.
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01:17:01
If you keep going the way that you’re going, you’re gonna kill somebody. You know what I mean? I mean, I was involved in all manner of sin, buddy. Stop me right there. I had to go through a Trident review board, a a disciplinary review board, a captain’s mask, the whole nine yards.
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Luckily, I had a good enough reputation up to that point that I had guys that that vouched for me, specifically ai c daddy, Jake Hubman. He he he wrote a whole long thing. Chad’s Chad’s done well. He’s this is you know, this and vatsal, and they presented that, and the navy let me stay in, keep my Bryden.
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Well, went back home, moved in with some lesbians, still continuing on this this path or this just trajectory of just ugliness, just hatefulness. You know what I mean? But I had kinda started hiding it a little more. You know? While I was at work, I was like, okay.
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01:17:58
If I might have to go to work, I’m a had to square myself away a little bit. You know, tell you how hateful I was, this man, Jake Hudman, my c daddy. He, he started struggling with alcoholism shortly after I had that big mistake. Well, I Ai got back in the platoon, and, they told us ai said, well, you know, Jake’s struggling with alcoholism. We’re sending him off to this rehab program.
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01:18:27
They said, just leave him alone. Well, remember I told you I can forget people exist? I just forgot he existed. Couple months later, he killed his cell. That’s what ai of friend I was. That’s what kind of person I was. Here’s this guy who that’s the kind of person that I still am sometimes today.
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01:18:49
What a what there there is there’s literally nothing good in me. I’m convinced of that. Here’s this man who had poured so much into me, literally trained me up, taught me the ways of war. It’s on account of his mentorship probably that I was able to stay alive throughout the course of my career, and I just turned my back on him.
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01:19:07
When he was going through the hardest time of his life, he killed his self. I don’t ever get to make that up. I just ignored him. That’s the kind of does this describe to you the type of person that I was? Yeah. Pretty sure. Pretty bad, ain’t it, brother? I mean, that’s pretty bad.
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01:19:28
That’s pretty
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Understandably selfish given the circumstances. So
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01:19:32
I get back in a platoon, get ready, deploy again. I’m keeping my wickedness under control, you know, outwardly, but it’s still all there, man. Well, we go up to Tunisia and North Africa, and Arabs attacked the embassy up there when all that Benghazi and that stuff went down.
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01:19:55
Ai happened all over North Africa. So we went up there, resecured the embassy. We came back. We left there and came back to Germany to rejock our equipment because that mission was over in Tunisia, came back to Germany to rejock, and then we were going out to Nigeria. And while we were in Germany, the only way for me to tell you this in in just simple terms is we were staying in a barracks that was inhabited by some sort of demon.
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And that is that was the genesis of my conversion, of me being made aware that okay.
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So when you say it’s inhabited by a demon, like, in what way?
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So I was in there with a couple other guys. I wish I would have wrote all this down. I was laying in bed one night in this place. We had we we this there was nobody else in this building. It was just me and a couple there were me and a guy in one room and two other guys in a room across the hall there. Okay?
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01:21:07
Well, I’m laying in bed, and I and all of a sudden, I’m jolted awake by something that hits my door. And I lay in bed for maybe thirty seconds, and while I’m laying there listening, I can hear some strange voices echoing up and down the hall of this building that we’re in. And so immediately, I get up, open the door, walk out. Nobody’s out there. Walk around. Nobody’s in the building. Go in my buddy’s room ai me.
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01:21:41
They’re both passed out. But it scared me, dude. I was like, what on earth is this? It scared me. And, these things these things would like, the the oven would be turned on, like, these bumps and noises and but but more than all of that, there became this fee this oppressive feeling of of, like, evil in this place.
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And the guys that I were with, that I was with in there, they started getting freaked out about it too. We called our senior chief who had been staying there before us. It was just like an old empty place that guys would come and stay in for a few nights before they left out. We called our senior chief.
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We’re like, hey, man. Did you have any strange experiences in this place? He was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. There’s some there’s something in there.
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And, so but but, like, I remember walking into this place, and I would there was a stairwell. I ai walk up the first flight of stairs, and then there would be a second flight that cut back, and there was, like, a landing up there because we were staying on the second deck. And, like, I would, you know, as a hunter, like, how you have that sense when something is, like, staring at you.
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01:23:05
Like, you would I would feel this thing staring at me up there on that landing, and I would fully expect to turn around and see some sort of something up there. And Ai never saw it in physical form. We started doing this research online about, you know, looking at these forms and stuff about this place that we were, you know, in and finding all kinds of other stuff about.
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I’m like, well, whatever is going on here, I can’t sleep at night. Like, I don’t want to be in that place because it’s it’s literally scaring me that bad. And, the sanity check was the dudes I was with were getting freaked out too. And, like, I wish I would have talked to them and written down the things that they were specifically experiencing
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Do you remember any of them?
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So that I would it’s been so long ago, man. Like, the experience that I had was so powerful. Like, that just is the one thing that sticks in my mind. But I remember the two guys across the hallway, one of them had to leave. They were going out to a different ai, and that dude the other dude was left in that room by himself.
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He moved across the hallway to stay in the room that me and my guy were with. Because he didn’t wanna he didn’t wanna stay in that room by ai. Jesus. And so Ai was literally at my wits end with this. Like, I was so like, I couldn’t sleep at night.
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Long did you stay there for?
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This would have probably went on for about a week. Yeah. This probably would ai went on for about a week. We were there for maybe two weeks. And so I called my little brother at my wit’s end because, again, I just told you the type of person that I was. I had no, you know, interest in spiritual matters. I didn’t believe in demons or spiritual warfare or god or any of that. Right?
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But I’m like, here and now Ai have encountered something that seems very real to me, and and it’s it’s not in this realm. Here’s some sort of entity that I don’t know how to combat. I called my little brother, because I knew my little brother was a Christian. And I said, well, here’s one of these Christians.
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They’ll have a little bit of maybe a little bit of insight on this spiritual stuff that might be going on here. He said, well, man, I said, I ain’t never ram into nothing like that. He said, I’m sana put you in touch with my my pastor of my local church here. They were real close. His name is James Cordell.
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James called me the next day, and I told him what all was going on. Well, he acted like it was no big deal. I said, no, buddy. I said, you don’t understand. I said, there’s something in here. I don’t know what it is. He said, ain’t no big deal. He said, put me on speaker phone.
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He said, I’m gonna walk around he said, walk around this building in up and down the hallways, and he said, I’m gonna pray. And Ai I put him on speaker phone. I’m walking around this building up and down the hallways in my room. He’s praying against this thing in the name of Jesus Christ. He sai, alright. Now we had a little kitchenette there. He said, you have some olive oil in there.
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I said, yeah. We got a bottle. He said, take just a little dab of that olive oil and, just dab it on the top of your door ram there. So I did it. Joe, I’m thinking the whole time this is so stupid, but I what else do I do in this situation? Let’s try this. Right?
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Let’s just give this a shot. Right. And I dabbed that little olive oil up there, and, we get off the phone. We sana I I leave, go to work. We come back that evening, wind down. Total, like, peace had returned to this place.
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Like, I didn’t no longer heard or felt or was experiencing any sort of fear or anything. Like, it all was gone. Like, I all of a sudden, it was just like, oh, okay. Now I’m just in another little barracks room here. Like
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Do the other guys feel the same way?
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So this is what’s funny. We I didn’t tell the other guys that I did that. And, because they were all gone when I walked around with this crazy man on speak. Embarrassing. I mean, in a certain sense, it’s still embarrassing to tell that story today. Again, this is foolishness, man.
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Right.
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Like, you’re asking me to tell this story on this platform? Like, this it’s hard. You know what I mean? Because Yeah. Who’s gonna believe this? Like Right. Like but I I don’t care. I’m just telling you, like, what I remember that experience as, and it impacted me so much that it changed the trajectory of my entire life.
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And, the next morning, we woke up, and, my buddy woke up in the ram. He said, what’s all over the door? And I looked up, and that little dab of olive oil had somehow, like, dripped down and covered the entire door of the room that we were staying in. And you could see it toward the bottom of the door, like, the drips. Like, the whole door was, like, shiny. And, he said, what’s all over the door?
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And I said, don’t worry about it, man. I don’t know what the crap that is. Because I was so embarrassed to tell him that I had done that.
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But it was just a dab of
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olive oil. Just literally a dab of olive. I don’t I I don’t even know where that fits into the the whole experience. Ai, I don’t even know where or how that fits in. I don’t even know what this thing was or why this thing would have been attached to a place. Like, I don’t understand that, man. I I don’t and and Ai, again, I’m not, like, big on this whole spiritual warfare thing.
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But after that happened, all that happened, no more nothing in this place, I said, I have got to get my hands on a on scripture and figure out more about this figure, Jesus, who I heard this man praying in the name of. Right? Because there’s obviously, there was some power, like, being wielded there by the name of Jesus in prayer. And so I did. I got my hands on a Bible.
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I started reading in the book of Matthew. I began my again, the through this ex this this was obviously the experience that the almighty had chosen to call me out of darkness into the marvelous light of his truth. Open the Ai. I had seen the Bible before. I had, you know, heard it read.
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I had even read it before, in the in the past, but it it was never anything that meant any I couldn’t understand it. You know what I mean? Like, what what the crap is this trying to say to me here? Right. I began to read in the book of Matthew, and I began to, well, for the first time in my life, I realized how all of that applied to meh, as the hopeless, wicked, ugly, depraved human being that I I like, my mind was awakened to my own state.
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Like, I didn’t realize how ugly and depraved I was. Like, when I let my when when I passed up on my friend and he killed himself, like, I didn’t think nothing of that. I just had this this revelation of who I was, and why ai I so needed something to save me from that. And when I had that revelation, literally ai the grace of God opening my making me spiritually alive, able to discern the Scriptures, when I had that revelation, I read about Jesus, his life, his death, why he died according to the scriptures, his resurrection, what that means for me.
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01:31:51
I it changed everything. Like, literally, I was made a new creature overnight. It’s the greatest miracle that God the Almighty could ever work, is taking somebody like me who was literally so useless, making me alive, making me a brand new creature, waking up the next sai, and being completely changed in how I see the world, how I see myself, how I see the words on these pages, how I see the Creator of the cosmos That’s a miracle!
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Ai, nothing else that I have experienced in life produced that amount of change nearly instantaneously. And I’ll never forget walking down into to the little platoon hut, like, the next day after having this revelation of the the gospel and what it means for me and who I am.
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And, like, dude, I didn’t It’s crazy, man. It it it literally changed my desires. Like that that’s the miracle. Right? Like, how do you change your desire?
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01:33:25
How do you internally change your desires? Like, I didn’t I had no appetite for pornography anymore. I had no appetite for the foul language that I used. Like, I had no appetite for gossip. Ai, Overnight. Literally ai. Like, my literal desires were changed.
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And that was the, ultimately, more so the more so than the whole thing that was going on in the barracks, and the ai saying the prayer, and this thing leaving, ai, that experience of being made a new creature, and the realization of what on Earth just has happened to meh? That was the thing, and is the thing that I cling to sai ai.
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01:34:24
Like, nothing else could have produced that that type of change in me, but the grace of God and the revelation that He’s given meh, of who I am and who He is. And then as you go, this has been from then to now, just a long and arduous, ai, sometimes joyful, but process of sanctification, essentially.
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One of the things that I pray most often is for the Holy Spirit to conform me into the likeness and image of Jesus Christ at all cost. At all cost. Well, first time I prayed that, that was hard to pray, man. You read about Jesus in Isaiah 53. What’s it say about him?
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01:35:26
He was a man of sorrow, well acquainted with grief. Conform me into the image of Ai. And that process of sanctification is ongoing. My understanding of the scriptures is ongoing and progressive even still to this day and hopefully to the very day that I depart this tent. It’s everything to me, man.
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Like, it’s it’s no. No. No. No. It’s literally everything to me. Some people say, well, Chad, doesn’t sometimes don’t you have moments of of doubt? Well, yeah.
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01:36:12
I’d be a liar. Think about what I believe. Yeah. Like, sometimes, don’t you have moments of doubt? Yeah. I have moments of doubt sometimes. Yeah. For sure, man.
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But what I realize is that if I could possibly depart from this faith that I have in the almighty, if I could possibly even depart from that faith, what would I have? Ai have nothing. Like, what’s what’s the what’s the point?
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This is the fascinating aspect of this that an atheist needs to take into consideration. You what you’re talking about had a real result. This belief and faith has had a real transformative result on you as a human being. Now if there was nothing to this, if this is all nonsense, and there was a method that you could use, just some sort of a way of viewing the world that would instantaneously change the way you see yourself and see ai you to who you are now, that’s a real thing.
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01:37:44
Regardless of whether or not anybody wants to believe in Jesus Christ or believe in the resurrection or believe in the gospels, it works. Like this that’s the thing about Christians, ai, real Christians, and I’ve been very fortunate to meet a a bunch of them. I had a weird journey in religion myself because I went to Catholic school when I was in first grade and it kinda ruined me. They were horrible. Yep.
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This sana nun, sister Mary Josephine, I don’t remember anybody from when I was six years old, but I remember that bitch. She was so fucking mean, man. And just the experience, the way they treated children, they were so fear based, and I was like, this is not God. God has nothing to do with this.
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This is people. Yeah. It’s my incentive.
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This is people. And it kind of set a tone for my life, you know, where I dismissed any any notions that there was some sort of truth in these religions. But the more I’ve explored, not just Christianity, but many different religions. People are trying to document a truth and it’s very hard to decipher through the tongue of man.
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It’s very hard to decide when when human beings write things down and human being give state give statements on thing, you have to always take into consideration human nature. Human beings are not that accurate and how they depict things and then you have the problem with translations.
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Truth, brother.
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You have the problem with it going from ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and to all these different languages, and then you have the problem with spiritual narcissism. So you have the people that are the conveyors of the message who take on these powers themselves that are above normal men and control people ai, you know, before Martin Luther came around and made a phonetic version of the ai, there’s it’s very few people could read and very few people could read Latin.
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01:39:46
Mhmm. They
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didn’t know what it sai. So you had to rely on the priest to tell you everything.
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Yeah.
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When people started being able to translate these things into different languages, it’s wonderful, but also something’s probably missing. You know, my friend, Rick Rick Strassman, he’s a scholar. He’s the guy who wrote that book, the DMT, the spirit molecule. He did these, these slow drip studies, these FDA approved studies on, DMT with with people, with patients.
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I’m very interested in that.
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He’s a fascinating guy. Well, he learned ancient Hebrew just so that he could read the ai in its native tongue.
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Mhmm.
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And it took him sixteen years to do that.
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I believe it.
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Yeah. He’s What
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an endeavor.
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Yeah. Fascinating guy. I think they were trying they were writing something down. One of the things that I learned from Wes Huff, Wesley Huff, who’s a a biblical scholar who’s been on the podcast, He told me that the the book of Isaiah, when they find it and they found a version of it in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that is identical word to word for a version of it that they found a thousand years later.
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That’s pretty miraculous. And and
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Thousand years.
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01:41:03
And not not only that, but but but what about the content of Isaiah? Right. What what about Isaiah 53 as it describes the suffering servant, how it it literally outlines the life and death of Jesus Christ, and it was written, what, four hundred years Yeah. Before the crucifixion?
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01:41:26
Like, even the content of Isaiah, not only the the accuracy of the the the translation and the accuracy over that span of time when you compare copies, but even the content of it. How did this prophet write this thing about this person, And it was fulfilled perfectly, literally to a t, by the person of Jesus Christ hundreds of years later.
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01:41:52
Oh, it’s crazy. So and and by the way, man, like, I’m not telling you or anyone listening to this This what what we call testimony, like, what what the lord’s given me experientially in life to share with other people. I’m not telling you this to convince you of anything. Like, there’s nothing that I can say to convince you in the truth of the gospel.
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01:42:19
Like, I truly believe that. There’s no there’s no words that I can use. There’s no logic that I can apply. There’s nothing that I or anyone else can say to convince you of this. And it goes back to what we started off in the conversation with of these things must be spiritually discerned, and it is by grace, god’s grace, that we are made alive and able to discern the truth of these things.
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01:42:49
That’s a hard that’s a hard thing to accept, man. Like, that man is totally depraved, and I can’t say anything to convince anyone of the truth of these scriptures. But but the scriptures are dripping, literally dripping with that very fact. That’s that’s the interesting thing about about the scriptures. They leave nothing for man.
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Like, it it’s it’s almost the the the single thing that separates what’s contained in the holy scriptures from other religious philosophy. It literally leaves nothing for man.
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What do you
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mean by that?
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01:43:33
Meaning, there is nothing that you can do to be made righteous in the eyes of the creator. There is nothing that you can do to save yourself. As a matter of fact, without the grace and the help of the Almighty, you can’t even believe the truth. You won’t you won’t do it. You are you are spiritually dead prior to regeneration. You sai what I’m saying? It when you’re dead.
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01:44:12
If we had a dead man laying on the floor right here, and I said, dead man, hearken unto my voice. There is a hospital a mile down the road, and if you’ll get up and walk to that hospital or you’ll allow me to take you to that hospital, they’ll shock you and bring you back to life.
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Is he gonna respond to that message? He’s gonna lay there dead. Right? Yeah. We’re dead spiritually until we are made alive by the grace of the almighty.
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It leaves nothing for man. Not not a thread. It leaves me not not not a single thread that I can cling to. And then you look at the whole saga of scripture. Well, what’s this all about anyways?
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01:45:10
Let’s take it all the way back to Genesis, all the way through Revelation and everything in between. The whole saga is to glorify the sana, Jesus Christ. What’s the purpose in me even being saved? It’s so that I can be presented to Christ as his bride.
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What do you mean by that?
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01:45:41
We, God’s people, are the whole purpose of our existence is for us to be presented to Jesus Christ as his own people who will glorify him for all of eternity. It’s to glorify the sana. The the the whole saga that was determined by the sovereign and immutable will of the father. It can’t be changed.
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01:46:16
The whole saga, the only purpose of it all is to present and to present this I can’t say this word real well, peculiar Peculiar. People to the sana as a ai, an offering, to glorify the Son for all of eternity. The whole saga is to lift up and glorify Jesus Christ. It’s the only purpose for me even being saved.
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And you’re convinced of this?
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01:46:51
Well, I I think I think that I’m not Ai not convinced to this because that’s what I wanna believe. Like, I’m convinced of this because I’m convinced of the truth of the holy scriptures. And and and, again, the entire the entire ai that? Ai do why would I want to if I wrote this story, would it not give me something to cling to?
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01:47:31
Would it not if I wrote the story, would it not give me some other purpose than just being offered up as a bride to the glorification of the sana, Jesus Christ? Like, if I wrote that story, wouldn’t I write it differently than that? Because I’m man. Right? I would leave myself something to cling to.
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01:47:58
Surely, this salvation means something more than just that I am part of this special people now being offered up as a bride to Christ. Surely, there’s something that I can do in this life, a choice that I can make to believe in this. Like, surely, I have the power to make that choice.
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01:48:22
But if I had the power to make the choice to believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, in and of myself, then that salvation would be coming from me. You see what I’m saying? When you realize you don’t even have the power of choice in you, you you are dead. You will not choose it.
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When you realize you don’t even have the power of choice
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01:48:55
So you believe it has to be that this wisdom has to enter you somehow?
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01:49:02
You are entered by what scripture calls the Holy Spirit, which is the spirit of God who comes and dwells in you, and that is the entity that makes you spiritually alive and gives you the ability to appraise the scriptures essentially spiritual things because before that, it’s foolishness.
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Have you ever paid any attention to the Shroud Of Turin? Have you ever looked into it at all?
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I’ve just seen it pop up, you know, as I as I scroll through.
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Well, they used to dismiss it because they used to say they did a carbon date on it, and it was only 500 years old. But they’ve since made some revisions to that. And there’s a lot of people that believe because of the wear of the cloth, the age of the cloth, and I think they’ve done subsequent tests that place it around 2,000 years old, which is really fascinating.
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The other thing that’s fascinating is they didn’t even know what the image completely was until someone took photographs of it and then looked at the the negatives. And in the negatives, then you get this image of Jesus. Not just Jesus, but with the the the scars and the markings on his back, the the the part of his body where he’s pierced, the piercings on the wrists.
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Mhmm. And they really do believe that this thing is 2,000 years old. And the the other thing that’s strange is they have no explanation as to how that image was created. They think that image was created somehow from some sort of a burst of energy. Mhmm. It’s not stained. It’s not ai.
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01:50:36
And it’s it’s not something that’s easily reproduced, especially if you think about the ai. If this is supposedly a forgery, like, how would they make an image that would only show up in a negative? And what would be the motivation to fake this in this manner? Yeah. See if you can get some photos of what it looks like, Jamie.
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01:50:57
You know what I love about what you’re saying, Joe? It’s just it it’s so amazing how the almighty works in each of us differently.
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01:51:08
Like, look at this. This is now this image, if you see the original see the originals to the left, like, they didn’t you know, they saw that and they’re like, what is this? But once you look at it with the the negative show the negative again, the black and white. Once you see the negative of it so you make that larger, then it starts getting very strange.
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01:51:28
Because you you look at the the piercings on the wrist and there’s these blood stains in these arya. It’s very strange. That’s wild, man. And it’s a very large piece of cloth. I think it’s, I think it wrapped his entire body, and so it was ai seven feet long.
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01:51:49
And then they folded it, so it’s his back and his front. So he was inside of this thing, and this is the image.
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I think it was debunked recently.
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Was it debunked again?
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I think
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so. What’d they say now?
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Ai I remember seeing something about it. They found some sort of processes that have been around for a few hundred years that do some sort of this, like, negative transfer.
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Right. But did they know that two thousand years ago?
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That’s what I ai think the carbon dating has been readjusted to.
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01:52:18
Oh, really? What are they saying now?
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01:52:19
Ai mean, I typed in debunked, and I was looking through a few articles.
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See, there’s people that believe and there’s people that don’t believe and it gets weird.
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01:52:26
Ai.
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01:52:26
It gets weird because there’s a lot of people that want to debunk things. A new research shows that the carbon dating of the Shroud is fake. Findings that it was the carbon dating that was fake, not the Shroud. This is a central conclusion.
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There’s a few articles about it being fake. But again, I don’t I mean, I don’t know if they’re a 100%, like, this is fake or if they’re just haters, you know.
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01:52:48
Right.
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01:52:49
You know what’s interesting to me about the body of Ai? The physical body, like like, is being transposed onto that, shroud whether it’s real or not. Have you ever thought about this? If if you think about going back to talking about death and why do we have to die, why is it a necessity for all humans?
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01:53:09
Well, the the scripture tells us that for human, the reason that we must die is because of sin. Right? That started with the very first sin of man and woman in the very beginning. Right? Because scripture tells us that man was created to exist eternally in the beginning, the human physical form. But when man sinned, a lot of things happened.
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01:53:44
Death, that’s that’s the moment. Scripturally, that’s when death entered the equation. So this sin is a big problem. Like, that is the genesis of death entering the equation and becoming a reality for all men. I wonder a lot what happened when that sin caused death in man.
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01:54:11
It’s almost like it changed man’s genetic makeup. It’s almost like man was created in the beginning to exist in a physical body eternally, meaning he had per perfect genetics. Right? He could exist. Nothing decayed. He could continue on for all eternity. He also had the ability to, be in the presence of the almighty.
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01:54:39
In some way, the the human brain could interact with the almighty. But when sana entered the equation, it’s almost like man’s genetic code was arya, and death entered the equation, and we began to age. And it even when I think about it along those lines, it’s totally theoretic theoretical, by the way.
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01:55:04
That’s how we inherit our sinful nature is because the result of sin actually changed the genetic makeup of the of man’s physical body. And therefore, by necessity, he now has to die because he ages. And, also, we lost our ability to perceive the almighty and to actually converse with him.
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01:55:29
And, some we lost something in our brain. Right? That’s why I wonder about that DMT stuff. We lost, like, we lost some something in our brain that originally allowed us to see into this other realm and converse with this almighty being. We lost the ability to do that because of sana. Which brings me to the body of Ai.
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01:55:55
The interesting thing about the body, physical body of Jesus Christ, he was the only meh, according to scripture, who ever fulfilled the law of God completely and perfectly, which means his physical body, his literal physical body was not affected by sin, which is the thing that is causing all of us to die by necessity.
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01:56:21
And I just wonder if that physical body if if the body of Christ if Christ would have grown to to maturity, which he did, which was went about when he started his ministry, was full adult maturity, I wonder if he would not have been crucified if he could have lived in that physical body forever.
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01:56:44
If the aging process would have stopped and he would have never had to die because the effects of sin were not upon him, the curse was not upon him. And it makes me think about that body because they took his body off the cross, laid it in the tomb. When we die, our bodies begin to expere go through decay very quickly. You’ve seen that killing animals.
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01:57:13
You kill something within a few hours, starts to get ai blowed up, stiff as a board. After about a day, it stinks, all nasty. He died. They put him in that tomb. He was there for three days. That body didn’t decay. The spirit then reentered that same body.
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01:57:36
And that body, that same body rose up and eventually ascended into heaven. He took that body with him into this other realm. It just makes me wonder, like, what the human body was like in the beginning when we were created perfectly with this mental ability to interact with this other realm, converse with the ai.
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01:58:06
The the absence of sana, in other words, our genetics were perfect. The human body was perfect. It would not die.
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01:58:16
So this is if you’re taking the Old Testament absolutely and literally. And if that if you do that, how do you what do you think about evolution?
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01:58:29
It’s a great that’s a great What
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01:58:30
do you think about
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01:58:31
I’ve been thinking about evolution a little bit here lately.
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01:58:33
The various forms of humans that have been detected. Including recently Denisovans. What was that one? Julienne’s? What’s that one?
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01:58:42
They got it.
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The giant huge headed people. They they don’t even know how big they were. They think they were quite a bit larger than us. They found multiple types of humans. Obviously, Neanderthals. But
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01:58:55
Well, if you can’t tell by now, I like to think about things.
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Oh, I do too. I love
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01:58:59
I love it’s fun. Right. It’s fun. You know what I mean? Like, the whole thing I just talked about was, like, totally theoretical. Like, Ai I can’t prove any of that. But when I think about evolution, the one of the first things that’s striking to me is how on earth well, first of all, consciousness is a big problem.
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01:59:20
You mentioned that earlier. Yeah. But but how on earth did we, as the beings that we are or we could take any being on earth and use it as an example.
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01:59:32
Yeah.
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How do we go through how how many millions or do some say billions?
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01:59:39
Of ai?
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01:59:40
Of years?
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Not vatsal billions. But for ai. Yeah. What is life would it how long ago did life first appear on Earth? Sai I think single celled organisms is, like
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01:59:51
Ai now three billion years or so. What I’m about to do here is I’m about to apply some country boy logic here, Joe.
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01:59:57
Here it goes. What does it say? 3,500,000,000 years ago?
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02:00:00
Three point five billion years
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02:00:02
Okay.
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Ram from life to what we are as beings now. Now look. Are you ready for this country boy logic, sir?
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I’d love to hear it.
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02:00:13
How on earth did we go through 3,500,000,000
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02:00:19
Right.
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Of evolution and and and being shaped by our environment? Uh-huh. And here we are after three point five billion years, and we can’t stay around for more than about seventy five years, and everything around us can kill us. Like, if I if I think about now, again, country boy logic here.
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02:00:45
If I think a three point five billion year long process of an organism being shaped by its environment, I would like to hope it would produce something a little better Well, I think than what we are today.
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What it’s produced is pretty fucking extraordinary comparison to in comparison to all the other animals.
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Like In human. In human.
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In humans. Yeah. Nothing nothing is even close.
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But how
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And then you have to think of how long humans have been around in this form, at least according to science. They believe it’s somewhere in the neighborhood of three hundred to five hundred thousand years based on the fossil evidence. It could go further or back probably go further back eventually. They’ll probably figure it’s, like, six or seven. But there’s a ai.
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02:01:29
There’s a timeline when Homo sapiens existed and when they didn’t exist before. And then there’s a bunch of different forms of human. There’s a bunch of different hominids, sai different bunch of there’s, you know, there’s, Neanderthal, Cro Magnon. There’s there’s a ton of them.
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02:01:45
So what we’ve been able to achieve in this relatively speaking, when you think about 3,500,000,000, which is a number that you can’t really comprehend. You say it, but it’s Oh,
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I agree.
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It’s too big. It’s too big to really wrap your head around. Think about the behavior characteristics that you can breed into your dogs in a short period of time.
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Now now I am I am I heartily agree and believe in adaptation. Yeah. Heartily agree in in in in different forms, drastically different forms of human.
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Well, look at just dogs. Just look at dogs. Your dog came from a wolf. Okay? I have, two dogs. I have a golden retriever and I have a a spaniel, this little puppy that we just got. And both of them also descended from wolves, and it’s ridiculous. They have zero killer instinct other than squirrels. My dog, Marshall, who kills squirrels, but and turtles. But he he’s not a wolf. Yeah.
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He’s some sort of a new thing that we’ve created through selection and breeding and
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It’s forced adaptation.
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Over time, it’s a totally different animal just like we are. We are a totally different animal than Neanderthal, a totally different animal to ancient man. We’re we’re just different. We’re different in some way. You go and especially if you go way back to Australia, Pithicine, sana all these different animals that these different hominids that were very primitive, much more ape like than us.
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02:03:14
There’s a path. You could see it. It’s ai there’s a lot of mysteries. The big one is the doubling of the human brain over a period of 2,000,000. That’s a crazy one.
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02:03:24
One of the things that I always wonder when you’re reading particularly the really old text, when it gets into, like, the Dead Sea Scrolls, when it gets into the the the the Old Testament, and even stuff that’s before that, it’s ai, what were they trying to remember? Because you gotta remember before this stuff was even written down, it was an oral history for about a thousand years.
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02:03:47
What were
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they what were they what was the original story? And that’s where I think the truth is. I think there’s truth. I don’t think these people were making up myths and fairy tales. I think that’s that’s a silly way to think about it. I I think it’s much more likely that some immense events had happened over the course of human history, and these people were trying to document it with whatever limited ability to express themselves that they had at the time.
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02:04:15
Yeah. Yeah.
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There’s something there. It’s just the problem I always have with all religions is meh. The tongue of man is human beings and our desire to we we use hyperbole, we exaggerate, we change times, we we change that we we we write things that make ourselves look better than we should.
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History is written by the winners. It’s very difficult to know, like, what was the genesis of it? What was the what was the original thing that they were trying to write down? But I think there’s truth in the original thing.
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02:04:53
Man, you’re headed in the right direction, Joe. When when you said the problem you always have is with ai Yes. Man is indeed Yes. The problem, my friend.
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02:05:02
Yes.
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You are headed down the right path, man.
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02:05:05
Well, we are the problem, but we are also seeking solutions. People like you, people like me, people that want to be better people, and there’s a lot of people out there that are listening to this, People that want a better world, they want a better society, and they recognize that there’s there’s certain things that you can do both to change your life and to inspire others.
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02:05:27
Like, that’s there’s a reason for those instincts. They’re not necessarily even self serving. There a lot of them are community serving, and that’s in a way self serving because the more healthy your community is, the better you’ll you’ll feel, the better your life will be.
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There’s reward systems that are built into our our tribal nature. Yeah. And there’s a lot of good to that. And I think, like I said before, ai, if you do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will have a better life. If you believe it, you will and you live by it, you will have a better life. But there’s that weird jump that you have to make. Right?
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02:06:08
There’s the weird jump where you have to you have to bryden this Logic. Critical thinking and logical mind and accept that there’s an extreme value in living this way. And this it’s not it hasn’t been around for all these these years by accident. And I really do believe that at the origins, and I just we all wish we could know. We could hear it. Ai, that’s the frustrating thing about it.
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02:06:40
This is all really the word of God. Like, hey. Come back and give us a refresher course. How about you know, like, maybe we’re not back. We just need to know.
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02:06:48
Well, you know what? I tell you what, Joe. I should just let you talk the whole dang podcast, man, because you are so good at at just summing stuff up and getting to the root of of questions and things. And, you know, like like, you know, you talked about that whole that that transition from just, like, living it out to have a better life to all of a sudden, like, placing your entire hope in this Yeah.
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02:07:14
Message of the gospel. Like, that’s that transition that I was talking about that you can’t choose. You know what I mean? Like sai you’re you’re you’re you’re summarizing all of this so well, man. And it’s interesting to me too that, you know, the almighty has these plans for each of us, his sons and daughters.
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02:07:35
And, he leads us each along this path to the ultimate revelation that we are searching for, But every path looks different. And it’s so interesting to me to get to hear you speak this way because he led me along this path that involved this spiritual warfare. What was I? I was a warrior. Like, I understood warfare. I understood encountering an enemy, and and that’s that’s the story I told you.
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02:08:08
You know, he kinda led me to this ultimate revelation and to this regeneration along the lines of that. I have to believe that, and I have to hope that he is leading you along this path, specifically, the way you’re experiencing it, because that’s how you your mind works, man.
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02:08:32
Like, you’re a master. You are you are intelligent. You understand things. You want things to be somewhat logical and orderly, and and, you know, like the Shroud of Turin thing or or, you know, any of these other artifacts or the Dead Sea Scrolls or or something like like, I can do without knowing about all that and be just fine.
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02:08:56
But according to the way the almighty made you, maybe you can’t do without all that stuff and be just fine because you’re different than me. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I want you man, it sounds so weird because I only we just meh. But, like, I want you, man, to be confident in the direction that you’re going with the questions that you ask and the way that you search because it’s beautiful, man.
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02:09:27
Well, thank you. Yeah. It’s beautiful. I’m blessed with the time. I’m blessed with the time to ponder things. Yeah. You know?
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02:09:35
It that is a that is a very big blessing, man.
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02:09:38
It is. Because if you’re too busy and your life is too overwhelmed with obligations and ai I have a lot of them. But fortunate for for me, a lot of my job gives me time gives me time to think. Yep. A lot of what I do and a lot of these conversations give me time to think. And and talking to different people with different perspectives, different life experiences, and what they’re trying to figure out.
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02:10:02
Because we’re all trying to figure out, like, what is the purpose of this? Like, what am I doing here? And some of the most miserable, anxiety ridden people that I know have no belief system. Some of the most miserable anxiety driven people that I know are atheists. And some of the most angry and bitter and attacking and condescending and atheists.
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02:10:29
And And also Christian.
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02:10:30
Yeah. Well, there’s a lot of Christians that way too. Yeah. There’s well, there’s a lot of Muslims that way. There’s a lot of Buddhists that way. There’s a lot of people that are full of shit. And that’s, you know, that’s with everything. Like, with that, you can get a good plumber or you can get a terrible plumber, you know. And it’s just how human beings vary considerably.
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02:10:48
There’s a philosopher that, Martin Luther quotes in his book, The Bondage of the Will. And he this philosopher says, you can make anything out of anything. And he’s talking about scripture. Mhmm. You can take the holy scriptures, and you can make anything out of them that you want to make out of them.
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02:11:07
Right. If you wanna interpret it in a completely different way.
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02:11:10
Can make anything out of anything. And and that’s where we have these issues. You know, people people love to point out the hypocrisy in the body of Ai, the visible church, Christians, people who proclaim to be Christians, the hypocrisy of Christians. And and, I I would agree with you 100%.
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02:11:34
There is a lot of hypocrisy, and and a lot of what the visible church does is makes what they want to make out of the scriptures in order to control people.
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02:11:49
Mhmm.
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02:11:50
I mean, that that that has that that’s, like For sure. Huge, man. Yeah.
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02:11:54
Like And there’s there’s also the issue of meh pastors. Yeah. You know, when you think about a rock star, you think about someone who’s selling out an arena. Right? You think about, the preacher, you think about, like, a Joel Osteen type character, Unfortunately, because they’re more popular than any of the other ones.
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02:12:10
And so that becomes that’s a far it’s on the far speak, a fringe figure. Yeah. You know, Rolls Royces, private jets, expensive suits, all of it’s fucked. None of it makes any sense. None of it seems remotely Christian. Right?
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02:12:28
To to be to amass billions of dollars and enormous plots of land and have huge houses, and you’re flying around in $65,000,000 planes.
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02:12:38
Dude, you’re a comedian. You gotta watch this dude named Jesse Duplantis.
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02:12:42
Is he a comic?
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02:12:43
Oh, no. He’s a he’s like a a mega preacher, but, dude, you just gotta watch videos of this dude.
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02:12:50
Is he off off the charts?
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02:12:52
Oh ai gosh. Well, that you
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02:12:53
know, that’s how Kinison started. One of the greatest comedians, if not the greatest of all time, Sam Kinison, started out as a tent preacher.
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02:13:02
Well, you know, when people like to point out the hypocrisy of Christians, Like, I get what you’re saying, man, like and how religion is used to control people.
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02:13:13
In some ways.
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02:13:13
You can make anything out of anything. But here’s the thing. Here’s here’s how I would respond to you as a Christian. Yes. You arya right. I am a hypocrite. I am a liar. I am a cheater. Now I’m not really a thief per se. I don’t steal. I covet people.
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02:13:34
The things that they have, the things of this world, I hate. I do all of those things. That’s the point. Like, in that realization of who I am, it’s it’s that that revelation is the foundation of my clinging to Christ. Right.
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02:14:07
I I see what you’re saying.
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02:14:08
Like, clinging to do I want to do those things? No. I don’t want to do those things. But there is something in me. There is a remnant in me that leads me to do things that I don’t want to do. And the things that I want to do, I don’t actually do. Now not a 100% of the time. Like, that’s not my desire. But when I actually when I do those things now, the difference is my response to them.
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02:14:44
So, like, I told you how wicked I used to be. Well, you know, used to be ai I had an argument with my wife, you know, maybe I was rushing out the door and I would maybe I yelled at my ai, and I went out and got my truck and went to work. The rest of the day, I would be justifying my yelling at my wife. She deserved to be yelled at. Right. Screw her, man. Like, she’s in the wrong.
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02:15:11
Now when I do those things, I yell at my wife, I walk out the door. It’s the same thing that I did before, but I do it now, and I get in my arya, and it crushes me, dude. Ai, I I can’t believe I just did the thing that I know I don’t wanna do, but I did it anyways. It’s my response to those things.
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02:15:39
The most, I think, accurate way or picture to describe this remember I told you I woke up the next day and, like, my desires had changed?
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02:15:50
Yes.
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02:15:53
The most accurate way I’ve heard this described is if you had two plates of food. Now you know, you had a plate of the finest food, and then you had a bucket of garbage. You turn a pig loose into the room. The pig is going to go and stick his head in that bucket of garbage and eat that garbage before he eats the food off of that fine plate.
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02:16:20
Because he likes the smell of garbage. He’s attracted to to the taste and the smell of that we have pigs at the house, like this is what he would do, he would go eat the garbage before he ate the good stuff. And so that pig, he’s eating that garbage, and there’s this good stuff right here next to him.
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02:16:38
And he he doesn’t he’s not even ashamed that he’s eating that garbage, because he’s a pig. If you had the power to snap your fingers and to turn that pig into a man, that man would then lift his head up out of that garbage, and he would look around him, and he would be ashamed that he had been eating that garbage.
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02:17:04
And he would depart from that garbage, and go to the finer food. Right? That’s what He would do. That’s the transition that I tried to describe to you earlier, how I was changed ai. It was like, I no longer desired garbage more than I desired the fine things that the Lord has offered to me. My desires changed, right?
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02:17:36
I see what you’re saying.
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02:17:37
But we still go back. Like that there’s a remnant of that pig in us. And every now and then, we wanna go back and eat that garbage, but we’re ashamed. We don’t want anybody to see us, and we’re ashamed, and it upsets our stomach, and we respond to it differently. And that’s that’s kind of the the change, and and tying this all back into, well, why don’t why aren’t Christians perfect?
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02:18:05
They say they’re they they preach all this stuff. The as a preacher, or as a teacher, the closer you preach the true vatsal word of scripture in terms of standards, the closer you get to that standard that’s portrayed by scripture, the more of a hypocrite you are going to become because you can’t meet it.
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02:18:36
So Sai But you what you’re saying though this is what I was getting at. What you’re saying is one of the best examples of the power of being a Christian. What I’m talking about is the general perception of people on the outside that don’t really maybe don’t maybe hang out mostly in secular circles, maybe they have a bunch of friends that are atheists, and they see religion as this big scam.
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02:19:06
Yeah.
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And because the most popular versions of religion for a long time is televised religion, you know, that’s the when you think about people’s exposure that aren’t religious to religion, what do they they hear about scandals, they hear about, you know, the the pedophilia in the Catholic church, they hear about money that’s being inappropriately spent and Yep. So the versions that they get are ai, oh, this is just bullshit to control people.
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02:19:37
Yeah. Yeah.
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And they don’t hear enough about, like, genuine transformation stories and, like, why this is valuable and why it’s also valuable to intelligent people, because this has always been this is a misconception or at least a narrative that’s pushed out that is for dull minded people. It’s It’s for dull minded people that can’t make sense of the world. It’s too much confusion to them, so they need a structure.
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Which is totally in alignment with the the the whole truth that the this cross thing is foolishness. Like, I understand that.
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Like Right.
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I mean
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Well, the fact that you do makes it much more palatable for people to risk you. What you were saying makes more sense to people because, like, okay. He’s addressing these feelings that I have too.
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Yeah. I mean, you you read in, I think, it’s, first Corinthians chapter two, the apostle Paul is ai, like, hey. I didn’t come to you with these wise words, like, trying to convince you of anything. I simply have preached to you this gospel and notice that not many of you who are considered wise, like, were able to believe this because it’s it’s literally foolishness until you’re made alive.
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And it was it’s funny. It was by the almighty’s sovereign, immutable will that he chose the cross as to be the story of redemption for a man. It’s funny that he chose the cross, and he did it for his own good pleasure. He chose to destroy the wisdom of man by a message that is seemingly foolish. It’s so backwards. He chose to destroy man’s wisdom, our natural man’s wisdom. Right?
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All the great things that man has done and known and discovered, He chose to destroy all of that by this foolish message of the cross for his own good pleasure. Because man, in his wisdom, did not know God when he came here in the body in the person of Jesus Christ. They actually killed him.
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So he said, I’m gonna destroy y’all’s natural wisdom with this message of foolishness. Kinda comedic.
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It’s it is. So if it really did happen, it’s the most bizarre way ai get a message across.
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It’s the most bizarre way that you could ever Yeah. Like, literally even imagine, man.
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No. And and imagine you trying to explain to people your experiences with whatever you encountered in those barracks. And people hearing that, ai, it’s the problem with unique experiences that are completely outside of the norm. Well, what’s more outside of the norm than the resurrection of Jesus Christ or Jesus Christ being actually the sana of God? Like, imagine trying to explain that to people.
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They’d be like, what are you talking about? There’s this ai, his name is Jesus, like, shut the fuck up. Yeah. Like, what are you sana multi level marketing scheme? Like, what are you talking about, man? This guy want money from you? Like, what is this guy? Is this guy fucking your wife? Like, what’s going on? No. No.
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No. No, man. It’s not like that. Like, okay. Right. Right. But if it really is true, you would be stuck. You’d be stuck with this story.
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And you can’t leave that part out. No. You’re you’re commanded to tell the entire story. So you have this conundrum. Yeah. Ai.
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This is part that’s gonna sound crazy, but
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You summed it up well, Joe. You summed it up well, brother.
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The most fascinating thing of it, but I always tell people, look all that, look out of it, but also know that if you live that way and if you believe that and if you follow those teachings, you will have a better life. There’s something to it. There’s a reason why people have been doing it.
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There’s a reason why true Christians are some of the nicest, most compassionate, friendliest, charitable people that you’ll ever meet. There’s something to it. There’s something to it. There’s a the there’s an the origin of it all, there’s there’s truth in the origin of it all. It’s just trying to figure out what it means.
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And then the translations, even the translations in English that you’re reading, the way they communicate is so different than the way we communicate today. So you have to realize, like, the evolution of human discourse over thousands of years, the way we phrase things, the way we describe things, the way we talk about things is all very different.
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So you have to get scholars who understand the original way they talked about these things. And what what what did ai did they say a phrase this way? What is the meaning of this?
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Isn’t it so good that we have men that have dedicate men and women who have dedicated their entire lives to that job?
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Follow that Wesley Huffcock?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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He’s fantastic.
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I do, man. It’s I’m so thankful for men like him.
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Mhmm.
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RC Speak is a is a is one that I love to read his stuff. He’s passed now. Martin Luther, of course, is another one. But, I mean because you think about me. Like, what do I spend a day reading scripture? Two hours a day, maybe? Sometimes three? Like, I’m never gonna become the expert. Right. You know, you you spend an hour a day or two hours a day doing anything. Yeah.
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You’re never going to become
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No. You’ll be extra efficient.
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You’ll be proficient. Yeah. You’ll be able to kinda know your way around it. But the stuff that you’re talking about knowing, which is stuff worth knowing, you know, that’s the meat that we can consume.
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Also, when you’re talking about the Old Testament and the New Testament, you put the two of them together, you’re dealing with thousands of pages. Yeah. Thousands. Thousands of pages of very confusing scripture, where some of it you’re reading, you have to read it three or four ai, and you just gotta go, okay.
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What what is what exactly is he trying to say here?
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Because you have to figure out how it fits with the rest of it.
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Yes.
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Because you can you can read it in a way, and you’re ai, this this is contradictory. If if scripture is contradictory, it is not from god. Right. Like, it it cannot ai by nature of what what we know about the nature of the almighty, what’s revealed in scripture to us just about his his nature, his attributes.
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Right? It’s one of my favorite things to study, the attributes of the almighty, which we cannot even begin to grasp the fullness of it. But some of his attributes have been revealed to us, and and so he if that is his word, it cannot contradict vatsal, because that would go against what we know of as who who he is.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah. But meh, sometimes it does.
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Seemingly. Yeah. Seemingly.
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And, again, this is probably the interpretation of meh. You know, and this is where it gets problematic. Ai mean, it it is ultimately fascinating that you have something like the book of Isaiah, where they found an older version that they didn’t even know existed that turns it to be a thousand years older and it’s verbatim.
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Fascinating. Right?
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It is.
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But before that got written down, they talked about it for a long ai. A long time. And so few people could write things down, and so few people could read. That’s where it gets weird. But I think, ultimately, behind it all, they’re trying to tell a story. They’re trying to tell a fantastic story.
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And and I think, ultimately, ai, I think something that you could add to that, Joe, is if, if what I’m saying is correct in terms of what I believe about scripture, ultimately, there has also to be some divine influence over the preservation of those scriptures. It’s the only way. Right? It would be the only way for the scriptures in their original language to be truly the word of the almighty to man.
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The complete revelation of the Almighty to man. Ai, there has to be some Ai influence for that to happen. Right.
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But then you have to take it back to the origins of it. Like, what was that? What was that divine influence? Yeah. What what what were the experiences?
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Was it a converse yeah. Was it a con how did it you know, we like we like to, you like to kind of the the and then here’s another thing, man. It all involves faith. It does involve an aspect of faith. Like
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Yeah.
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You know? Because we look at the the letters in the New Testament who were mostly written by the apostle Paul, and the only way that we can trust that, okay, the this is the the literal message from God to us, but it’s coming through a man. Like, how does that happen? Well, we have to believe that, again, the almighty is influencing man through the power of his spirit in the man to write the things that the man wrote.
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You know, that’s ai that that’s why this this this belief in the Holy Spirit and and of the believer actually being possessed with the Spirit of God is so essential. Like, it has to be that way, or else the apostle Paul’s writing his opinions. Right. Or he’s writing based off of his experience.
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You know, it doesn’t you could take it all the way back. What did Pilate say to Jesus? What is truth? Well well, you know, what is like, truth I don’t even know that truth can come from man saloni, because everything that we have experienced is so influenced by our upbringing, by our perspective, by our memory, by so many factors.
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That’s why I hate dude, I hate seeing these guys these former military guys attacking each other, meh, about he did this and he did that, and he didn’t do this and he did that didn’t do that. Ai like I mean, some guys might flat out be, you know, telling us a fib. You know? I get that. Right? You know? That’s not good.
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But, man, so many so many people are recounting experiences that they’ve had in their life and their service and whatever it may be. And, like, all of that is shaped by their unique perspective and the way that their mind works and you know? It’s ai I Ai can’t attack a dude.
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Ai can’t attack a dude for that. You know what I mean? So if we’re saying that the Bible is is is truly the the perfect revelation of god to man, then we have to understand that the source of that all of that did not come from man in some way. It was wrought by god through man, if that makes sense.
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It does make sense. And that is the ultimate truth where it all started from. It’s just trying to, like, sift through the tongue of man to get to whatever that truth is.
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Yeah.
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And then this thing that will ultimately I mean, unless some insane technology comes about, we’ll never know. We’ll never be able to go back in time and figure that out.
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That’s a problem, ain’t it? It’s an issue. You know, I talked to my buddy about that while I was sitting, sitting there with him, you know, as he was passing away. And, you know, scripture describes when, when you when you leave your physical body here on Earth, you know, you your spirit basically goes into the press presence of the almighty immediately.
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Mhmm. But in that state, you’re unclothed, and you don’t want to be unclothed. And, like, I was I’m I’m having all these I Ai lost my train of thought there on what on where we were going with that. But, yeah, man. I forgot the original question, but it was it pertained to something a conversation I had with him.
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Well, you were talking with him about this this sort of leap of faith that you have to make.
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Oh, yeah. Okay. That’s what I was talking to him about. I was like, right now, mister Don, you there there is an element of faith in in what you believe. Like and that that’s a problem. Like, that’s it’s hard to explain that. It’s hard that that’s a problem. But when you leave here, like, you’re no longer going to have to live by faith.
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Like, once you get there, you’re gonna know you made it. Like, it’s it’s it’s all but it goes back to what you were saying, like, we’ll never know. There’s always going to be an element of faith in what we believe. Like, there’s there has to be as it pertains to things of god.
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There’s always gonna be a certain element of faith. That very faith is the gift that the lord gives to his elect. The ability to believe. Like, that is the gift. That element of faith, that’s the gift that I treasure more than anything else in ai that I have in my life.
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But it’s still tough. Remember I told you I’d have doubts sometimes? Of course. Well, that’s
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where the skeptical person steps in and says, well, this is ridiculous. It’s all based on you have to believe in faith because logically, it doesn’t make any sense. And so this is the problem with that is that you’re making this assumption that the human mind is flawless and that it could perceive truth regardless of your learned experiences, regardless of what you know about the world.
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You could see truth even if it’s a completely unique thing.
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Mhmm.
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You could know that it doesn’t exist. Like, there’s no way. There’s no way you know. And if it is a puzzle, what greater puzzle than you have to believe something that defies logic? Like, if you were gonna if you’re gonna demand faith of someone, you would you would deliver it in a way that this the only way to buy into this is that you have to get past your logic.
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You have to abandon it. And you have to believe something that you’ve been told is impossible. But my answer to that
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is ai a good preacher one day, ai.
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My my answer to that is isn’t everything impossible? This is the problem with that. The problem is Terrence McKenna once said that science only demands of you one miracle. That’s the big bang. If you believe in one miracle, everything else it says it can explain with materialist science.
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So if you the the miracle of the big bang is way crazier to believe than the resurrection of a a human being. That’s that seems more logical. It seems more plausible. People ai, people die, maybe people come back to life. I’ll buy that more than the entire universe is smaller than the head of a pen.
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And through no process that anybody’s adequately explained becomes everything. And maybe it’s a con continual process. It happens over and over and over again.
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Well, you like yeah. Yeah. You like to look into all this stuff. My wife sent me a YouTube video or something the other day. Apparently, they saw something with one of these telescopes or something that they look into the cosmos with that has completely, like, destroyed all their evidence of
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Yes.
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Their their their theology behind the Big Bang.
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Yes. The James Webb Telescope. Yeah. They’re they’re finding they they think that some of what they were interpreting as the initial signals of the Big Bang are not that. That this that not only that, but the origin the birth of the universe is far older than they think it was because they’re finding galaxies that are far too large and formed that are so far away that they would have had to form far quicker than they thought was possible from the moment of the Big Bang today.
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So this has extended in some people’s eyes the birth of the universe to 22 plus billion years old instead of 13.7 or whatever it is. So they think it’s possibly even old. But then there’s also questions ai the Big Bang itself might not be correct. You might be just interpreting the signals of this part of the space, part of the universe.
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We just can’t see meh, because we don’t have the ability to see further
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Yeah.
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Than what the James Webb Telescope can do. So as we develop better and better tools, with each iteration, you’re gonna have a much deeper understanding of the vastness of the universe itself, which may ultimately be infinite. And Roger Penrose thinks that not only was there not just a big bang, that there’s a continual cycle of these things that happen for eternity.
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There’s never been a beginning.
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Go ahead and wrap your mind around that.
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Wrap your mind around that. Wrap your because we always wanna think in terms of our own personal biological limitations. We have a birth and we have a death.
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Yep.
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But what was the birth of the universe? Well, ai? Why assume that? Why? Because we have this tiny little lifespan of a hundred years.
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Even even when we try to interpret hard things about scripture or we we think about, you know, the Lord. We we even almost always, we put time constraints
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Yeah.
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On him. Like, how do you think without the constraints Mhmm. Of time, like, in your mind. You know what I mean? It’s freaking wild, man.
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But then time gets real weird when you get into the old testament. Like, how old was Noah? What?
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Well, yeah. What does that mean? They lived a long time. You know, that that that that ai goes along with my theory of at the fall of meh, literally marring man’s genetic code and how that has just ai progressively gotten worse over time.
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It’s possible, but it’s also possible that their interpretation of time is different because they didn’t understand calendars. You know, that they what they considered a year was not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a completely different thing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, like, we have such a limited understanding just of human civilization. I mean, there’s the the there’s new findings, like, constantly that are completely throwing a monkey wrench into the ai of human history. And, you know, some of the biggest ones are happening in Egypt right ai, where they’re finding structures under through tomography to these, use of satellites.
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They’re finding these structures underneath the pyramids that go down two kilometers deep. Very controversial stuff, but they’ve repeated it over and over again. There’s these these cylinders and there’s coils that seem to be wrapped around these cylinders. They’re hundreds of meters deep, and then there’s more structures underneath there.
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They’re like, well, what is this? Like, who made this? Like, the explaining the pyramids themselves is impossible. They try. They pretend. People were just smarter than you think. Okay.
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Maybe. But also crazy that you’ve got this fucking thing that’s, what, 17 acres in its footprint, 2,300,000 stones. Some of them cut from a quarry 500 miles away, placed hundreds of feet in the ceiling. Some of them are 50 plus tons that they’ve moved into these positions, cut perfectly.
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You can’t even have a razor blade in between of them, set to perfect north, south, east, and west. And now you find out their structures underneath them that might go down two kilometers. We might have a completely fucked up understanding of human history, and it’s very likely we do.
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Yeah. It’s a it’s a you know, there’s a lot of speculation around. I’m sure you have had somebody on to talk about this period of human history and scripture where it talks about, essentially, these angelic beings Yes. Basically procreating with Yeah. Women, human women Yeah. And creating some sort of hybrid race, men of renown Yeah. With special knowledge.
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And you would it would seem that something like that when you look at the example and all of the stuff you just talked about with the pyramids, like, there was they were getting special knowledge
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There was something weird. From
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from some source. I I don’t know. Some source. Sai, we can’t understand it, man.
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Well, we don’t. Unfortunately, because of the burning of the ai of Alexandria, we have a limited understanding of what was going on. But what what they did accomplish that’s still there today baffles, just baffles the greatest human minds. They’re like
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What I love about you is you’re not afraid to ask these questions, man. And what you’re doing here on the show, it’s like you’re not afraid to dig into anything.
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Well, I don’t think you should be afraid of questions, and no one should be.
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But a lot of people’s pride, you know, like, keep them from
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Yeah. There’s that.
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Kinda asking those questions. I mean
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Well, people take themselves seriously. You know? I don’t really take myself very seriously, luckily. And I also ram not married to my ideas. Meh ai ideas are just ideas. They’re not mine. They’re just ai, and I’ll entertain those ideas. But if if they’re wrong, I’ll say, that’s wrong. I thought this. This is why I thought that.
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This is what it turns out really is. And I think if you can do that, you’ll have a healthier perspective. Just ask questions. Don’t be afraid to sound foolish because there there’s probably a reason why you wanna ask that question. There’s and maybe there’s a logical answer that’ll make you seem foolish for asking the question. Like, oh, okay. Now I get it. But maybe not.
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And there’s a lot of assumptions that people cling to. And, boy, we found out a lot about that during COVID. There’s a lot of shit that people just believe wholeheartedly. That’s 100% not true. And you’ll yell at people about it, and you’ll fucking change people’s lives, and you’ll treat people like plague ram.
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And it’s a 100% you’re a 100% incorrect, and you’ve based your entire identity on this information that’s a 100% incorrect. And then years later, you’re still justifying it because your ego won’t allow you to admit that you were incorrect. You had made false assumptions. You had gone down the wrong way of thinking, and here you are speak with this undeniable truth that’s right in front of your face. You were fucking wrong.
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You were wrong. You got played. You can’t trust the government. You can’t trust the pharmaceutical drug companies. You can’t trust anybody that’s making a profit off of you.
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There it is right in front of your face. And that’s that’s the problem with being with taking yourself too seriously. That’s a problem with being married to your ideas. That’s a problem to always wanting to be right and always wanting to sound intelligent.
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That’s so good. Joe, this is sai impactful for me to hear you say that because, I have to share this with you, of course. I had a, I’ve told a few of my close buddies and friends that I was coming on the show today to have a conversation with you. And it’s amazing people’s response when you tell them that you’re gonna come and sit down to the mighty Joe Rogan, the most powerful man on the Internet.
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I’ve heard you called that. Dude, I’m I’m don’t don’t be offended by any of that. This is this is what people sai. And, you know, I had so many people tell me, now, Chad, when you go sit down with Joe, you better just stick to what you know. And I’m like, I’m sitting here ai, buddy, I don’t know a whole lot.
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Like, when when you really get down like, what you said, meh, like, you’re not you’re you’re not attached to your ai, and and they’re not a lot of ai, they’re not even your ideas. They’re just you just think about things deeply, and you ask these questions. And and when you live that way, you you do you you do come to the realization that, man, there’s very little that I actually know when we define the word or the idea of knowing something.
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And and even scripture tells us any man that thinks he knows anything hasn’t known as he ought to know. In other words, as soon as you think you have the answers to most things, you are totally backwards. Yeah. You haven’t known the the ultimate form I think one of the ultimate forms of knowledge or knowing is realizing that you really don’t know much.
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Absolutely. And
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but it’s just funny that you you talked about that, and that was some of the advice I received. I’m sorry.
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About the things you don’t know.
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What you know. Yeah.
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Yeah. But the problem with that is, like, you’re never gonna get anywhere. You gotta be able to I
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agree, man.
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You don’t know.
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I agree. And, yeah, ai. It’s people’s people’s perspective of what you’ve built here and and, you know, what you do and what you’ve accomplished. I I think it’s just, like, so skewed, like, just based off of some of the conversations I had. You know what I mean?
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Well, it’s always gonna get weird when anything gets large. You know? People have their own opinions and their own perceptions of things that are successful. And
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02:46:13
ai do you keep going at this point? It’s fun. You you you enjoy it? I like
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02:46:17
it. Yeah. That’s good. Yeah. I like it. I enjoy it. It’s enriching. I like talking to people. I like learning new things. Ai like having interesting conversations, fun conversations.
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02:46:28
What was your first kinda big break?
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As a podcaster?
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02:46:34
As a pod I mean, just in general as a someone who’s public.
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I guess the big one was Fear Factor. You know, that was the one that kinda made me famous.
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02:46:46
But what led you there?
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I was on this TV show before that called NewsRadio. It was a sitcom. Okay.
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I was
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on that. And before that, I was a stand up comic. And, you know, my trajectory has been very slow, which is good. It’s healthier for you. You can you get it better. Like, you can deal with it. Because the worst thing that ever happens is ai a 20 year old kid becomes super famous. Yeah.
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You’re just fucked. You’re fucked. You you just you’re not gonna be able to handle that. You’re gonna be off the rails. You just it’s just too weird.
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The world is totally different place.
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02:47:19
Mhmm.
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Everybody knows who you are, where you go. Everyone around you needs you. So you have all these talking heads around you that are kissing your ass. Your your perception of the world is completely distorted. You never had to truly develop your character. You know, you’ve you’ve got untold wealth, you know, in your teens.
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Like, you can’t handle that. Nobody can handle that. No child stars ever make it out and seem normal. They’re all fucked. It’s like cement where you you mix it wrong. You know, you there’s not enough waters, not enough sand, whatever it is. The the formulation’s wrong.
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02:47:50
It’s you’re never gonna fix it. You’re never gonna fix it after the fact. It’s already formed. And, that’s a tragedy. But to get fame saloni, as long as you’re always working on your character.
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And one of the things that will keep you sane when you’re going through fame in particular is voluntary adversity, ai, particularly working out.
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02:48:16
Man, that’s good, brother. I can relate to that, man.
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02:48:18
Oh, yeah. I know you’re big into ultra running and that ai of voluntary I sai you took up jiu jitsu recently too. Right? That looked fun. It’s fucking tiring, You’re a guy with the kind of endurance that you have. Isn’t it amazing how tired
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you get? It was rough, dude. Bad rough.
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Yeah. Jiu Jitsu is humiliating. It’s humbling. It’s but there’s a lot of power in that humbling. It it it it makes the rest of your life so much easier. It really does. That that jiu jitsu was a huge factor in my sanity and my ability to stay sane through everything. Is that Ai getting humbled all the time.
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02:48:57
Yeah. Yeah. I’m exhausted all the time. Dude, they’re strangling me all the time. You know, it was ai you just can’t like, so that kind of conflict was so overwhelming, but yet also positive and, and helped me so much with character development, my understanding of myself, and what I was able to accomplish if I worked hard enough.
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It allows you to navigate the the weird waters of fame so much easier.
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02:49:25
It’s, that’s really impactful to hear you say that, Joe, because I think that is is and has been my exact same experience. You know? And we’ve been do we’ve I’ve been kind of public for the last five years now, and it’s it’s been kinda slow. But but, again, it it kinda went big there for, like, within two years.
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02:49:49
Like, it the YouTube and stuff blew up to the point that I’m nowhere, obviously, on on the level that you experience in your ai, but, you know, you can’t go out in public without somebody’s gonna stop you.
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The level where I
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know who you are. In all these comments and all this stuff. You know what I mean? But, like, but, like, continuously choosing to do these challenges that, like, I don’t even know if I’m gonna be able to do it. Ai, the the Yukon race, the the Yukon one thousand, we didn’t finish that.
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02:50:20
We went 435 miles, and, David started having circulation issues in his lower body because he’s paralyzed. Blood doesn’t flow very well. And, like, his leg is usually the size just of his femur, you know, or his bones. And by the third day, his legs were the same size as my legs. Oh.
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And, he started to to develop these pressure sores on his butt, which is very, very dangerous for people who are paralyzed just from sitting in that kayak for eighteen hours a day. But, like, we didn’t we didn’t complete that. But we were out there, like, truly in the in truly in wilderness, like, struggling against not only the ai, but just the environment.
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Like, I love to hear all these hippie people talk about mother earth. It’s ai, mother Earth will freaking kill you, son. You you ai you talk about mother Earth around me, that tells me one thing, you ain’t spent much time in nature.
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02:51:29
Yeah. Exactly.
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But, man, we’re out there just, like, struggling through this, and it and it became something that ram my teammate, it he physically wasn’t in a place that he could safely continue. But, like, that so refreshed me, dude. Yeah. Being out there, the experience, the the the struggle, it’s brutal, man.
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Like, 120, 130 mile days, eighteen hour days in this ai. You’re getting three hours of speak, having to cook all your food. Do it’s all self contained. But, like, I come out the other end of that, meh, and I’m just, like, so Dialed in. Dialed in, dude. Yeah.
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Without those experiences, I agree with you a 100%, man.
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I think all men need voluntary adversity.
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I might I think
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you need it. Ai think that’s one of the reasons why people are so filled with anxiety and depression, and I I think you need to challenge yourself all the ai. And I think it needs to be physical. I think it’s not just a mental thing. I think people need physical challenge. I think it’s a a very important part for maintaining sanity.
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02:52:39
It is for meh, for sure. I I have to have something, you know, on the micro level daily. On the micro level, I have to have maybe two things, big things a year that that I that I look at, and I’m like, I don’t know if I can actually finish that or not. Yeah. You know what I mean? And and then it forces me to to train, to learn, to prepare, to plan.
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02:53:06
That’s when you get if we sana move toward mental toughness and how this kinda preps you and keeps you going through life, like, that’s where all the mental toughness is really built is through the training process. Like, on race day, you shouldn’t be getting any more mentally tough on race day. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. You waited too long.
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Yeah. Yeah. But your brain is just a muscle like any other muscle in my in my experience. Yeah. I agree. If you if you stop exercising it and people want to act like there are people out there, maybe like me or like David Goggins or these people that have become so mentally tough that, like, we’re just good.
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02:53:51
Like, we should be able to show up anywhere, anytime, and perform and just crush everyone. That that’s not how it works. Like, every one of us, we have to prepare and train and train day in and day out and go through the process in order to perform. That’s a never ending thing. But people want to believe that you can just become mentally tough and then possess that and perform for the rest of your life. Yeah.
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No. They wanna believe that because they don’t want to do the the work that’s required to actually perform at a high, high level. Right. You know, it’s almost ai actually perform at a high, high level. Right. You know, it’s almost like an out Yeah. That people want to take or believe in.
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Well, listen, man. I’m glad you’re out there. I I appreciate you very much. I appreciate you coming in and doing the show and, three of seven projects on YouTube. Are you on anything else?
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Just 3of7project.com. If you wanna come train with us, that’s what I mean, that’s my passion in life is is not only my faith, but teaching. And everything that we do is, we have training exercises, you know, once a month or something. And I’m out there with you, suffering with you.
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Beautiful.
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And, go check it out if you wanna come hang out. And, Joe, man, I can’t thank you enough for your generosity. My pleasure. Many times during that conversation that you could have made me look like a fool, I’m sure. And, you had a lot of grace for me,
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though. I enjoyed it very much. Thank you very much. Alright. Ai ai.