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Mike Baker is a former CIA covert operations officer and current CEO of Portman Square Group, a global intelligence and security firm. He’s also the host of the “President’s Daily Brief” podcast: a twice daily news report on critical events happening around the globe available on all podcast platforms.
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Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Yep. Yep. Ai they were Mike Baker, what
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a good time
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to talk to you. What a good time to have you in. What a fine time. There’s so much chaos. There’s sai meh ai.
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Oh ai god. Did you see the South Park episode? Which which which one?
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They did a Donald Trump one with Sana? No. No. It’s fucking hilarious.
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I got it. I got it. I love the show is fantastic. I raised my three boys on that shah, meh to my wife’s horror, but it’s a great show. But I haven’t seen that episode.
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It when you think ai, Bridgette Fedese had a funny quote, like, when you think that they have reached the bottom of the the highest level of not giving a fuck, they reach unseen levels. Is it the whole the Epstein thing is so crazy. Yeah. Like, in him saying, like, what do you care?
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Why does everybody care about Epstein, like
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Well, that’s a yeah. But it is look. I mean, although, again, going back to South Park, yeah. Once they did the woodland creatures episode all those years ago, you thought, okay. That’s gotta be the the worst they can get.
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Which one was the woodland creatures ai?
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You gotta look it up. It was it’s fantastic. It I I not gonna do it justice if I try to explain what it’s about.
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Well, remember when they did the gay teacher where you had a whore off with Paris Hilton and stuffed her up his ass?
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This is
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the other one. Oh,
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good. They’re
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all person and
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Oh, that’s right. Yeah. Oh, then I forgot about that one. Yeah.
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That was seventeen years ago. They don’t give a fuck, dude.
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No. They they haven’t given a fuck since the beginning, and it’s the greatest show of all time.
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Yeah. Honestly, if if you said what would be the best job that you could have imagined, it would be being one of
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those two guys. Meh. They’re killing it. Yeah. And the thing is like it’s so beautiful because they have cartoons and you could do things with cartoons you could never do with real people. Yeah. You can kill them. They can fuck each other. They could stick things up their ass.
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Yeah.
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Cartoon gets that
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in a way, a probe. Yeah.
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Anything can happen because and it’s also they’re not realistic cartoons, so it’s ai you’re somehow arya another detached from it.
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Yeah. No. They they they and if they they did a documentary one ai. I don’t know if you saw that. Oh, yeah. Where they they tracked the six days it takes them to make the show. Yeah.
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Oh, okay. This trumpet bin with Satan. Satan. Satan’s back. Satan’s upset at Trump. It’s very funny.
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Well, you remember the Satan and Diddy episode. Although, that that was fantastic. I didn’t see that one. Oh, the Satan and Diddy episode, and then they had the the,
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they had the the
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mass murderers and no. This was this was a few years back too. It was a Diddy party, and he he wanted to yeah. It’s a long story. He wanted a Lamborghini cake, but,
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you know, it was just
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like, the devil wanted it and they sai, no. Diddy did
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it already and it’s it’s fantastic.
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Remember when they had the movie with Saddam Hussein? Yes. Ai Hussein was in a gay relationship with Hussein?
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Oh, god.
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You’d spend the entire time people are like, oh, they’re gonna talk about this the whole time?
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But, yeah. The Epstein stuff is so crazy because when Kash Patel was on here and he was ai, there’s no there’s nothing. And I was like, what are you talking Yeah. I didn’t even know what to say. My thought was and people are like, why didn’t you push back more? My thought was like, I’m just gonna put this out there and let the Internet do its work because there’s nothing I ai the guy’s saying there’s no tapes, there’s no video, that doesn’t make any sense.
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Everyone knows it doesn’t make any sense. Let’s just and then he didn’t know about the Ai the Michael Baden stuff, the autopsy stuff where it showed that he had three broken bones in his neck, which never happens Yeah. When you hang yourself. Even when you, like, leap from somewhere with a rope around your neck and it snaps your neck Yeah. You never have three broken bones.
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He’s not launching himself off the First Floor balcony. The whole thing was nuts.
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And then they he’s like, well, we have a film. We’re gonna release that film. And the film has a fucking minute missing from it. Yeah. Like, do you think we’re babies? Like, what is this?
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Also, you got you you have people may including Ram Bongino. Right? Making bank for a couple of years talking about how awful it is. And we gotta get this sai, and this is that’s a huge conspiracy. And and then you release a two day, you know, a two page memo that says, yeah, there’s nothing to see here.
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Yeah. Because you’re walking by your bedroom window and you see a little laser Yeah. Little red laser moving across your chest.
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Yeah. But it’s sai it’s it’s really is. It’s so got look. You know ai. I’m not a I’m not a conspiracy guy. Oh, you are today.
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You are today. Today.
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I’m I’m fully on board with this shit.
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Everybody’s in today.
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Yeah. No. But, you know, they’re actually doing ai as we as we speak, and I find this fascinating, is that the, the assistant attorney general, Todd Blanche, is down at Florida for an interview with Ghislaine Maxwell. And she’s serving twenty years in in a Florida prison for sex trafficking. Right?
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To who though?
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What’s that?
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To who? Well, she
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he’s down there to interview Right.
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But I’m saying she’s she’s sex trafficked
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to who? Well, she was a a co conspirator of Epstein’s. Right?
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But don’t you have to have a person who you’re sex trafficking to?
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Exactly. And they talked about the victims somewhat during her trial. It was very I mean, it was it was a very difficult trial in the sense of, you know, they’re they’re trying to protect certain victims and and others who are coming forward. But, you know, ai surprise was nobody from DOJ has ever according to her legal team, nobody has ever interviewed her from DOJ. Right? Department of Justice.
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So this is the first time the Department of Justice you’re telling me and meanwhile, up on Capitol Hill, you’ve got Democrats ai Adam Schiff and others going, we have got to release these fucking files. They had four years under the previous administration. Right? Look, everybody’s fucked in this in this situation, but they had all that time to do whatever they wanted to do.
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Nobody up until this point apparently has talked to it. Now, you know, some folks on the legal side are saying, well, look, if she had anything interesting to say, she would have said it during the course of her ai, right, to save herself or to cut a deal. No. But now I
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don’t think so. I don’t I don’t kill her. Yeah. Well The smartest thing for her to do is to keep her fucking mouth shut, which is what she did. Right. They put her in a cushy prison where she could do yoga. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yoga in bryden. That doesn’t
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sound good. Here’s one of my favorite ones. I’m gonna I’m gonna send you this, Ram, because this somebody tweeted this and it’s just so perfect. And it’s it just shows you how crazy this this whole thing has been, like, from the very beginning. This is, someone tweeted this from the Atlantic.
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And this is what what what’s funny about this. Check this out, Jamie. So it’s these fucking people. It’s like they all knew her. They all knew him.
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So many people knew him and knew her, and they’re all pretending that they didn’t. That no one knew it. Check this out. This is the Atlantic sai. Scroll go up, beggar, so we could see it. So we can see the quote below it below it.
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I’m trying. I’m trying. I zoomed.
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No. Go back. No.
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I know. I zoomed it.
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There we go. I can’t read it. There it goes. This is what the Atlantic put posts. If the Epstein scandal teaches us anything, it said America needs a dedicated and decently funded group of people whose job it is not to just ask questions, but to find answers. And then this ai, Shah Davis, posts, the woman on the right is Ghislaine Maxwell. She trafficked children for Jeffrey Epstein. The woman on the left owns your magazine.
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This is so Yeah. Fucking wild. Yeah. Just that alone is so wild that they would have the balls to post that. We need dedicated journalists, not just people asking questions, which is, like, for sure, an attack on podcast. Like, listen. You guys didn’t do Yeah. Shit. Yeah.
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You didn’t do shit. So just asking just the fact that we’re just asking questions along with that, or is this a knock on the defunding of PBS, which is essentially a propaganda network for the Democratic Party.
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Yeah. Which is now being apparently we’ll see if that happens, but apparently being defunded. But yeah. Look. Everybody’s everybody’s worried now. Right? Nope. At at first, it was ai, okay. Again, I go back a handful of years. Nobody was was pushing for this. Right? Because you got people from all sides probably on whatever that list looks ai, whatever that Epstein file looks like, whoever was involved.
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You got people from all sides of the spectrum here going on. And so everybody’s worried, so it looked like, alright. You know, there’s kind of this bizarre bipartisan moment where we’re not gonna push for this, really. We’re not gonna make a big effort here. We’re not sending anybody from DOJ. The Dems aren’t, during the Biden administration, calling for the release of the files.
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Now all of a sudden, they smell, you know, blood in the water in a particular, you know, political motivation here. So let’s get these files out. And, you know, nobody’s gonna look good from this, but Sai again, I I I would caution some, you know, just because of a name might be in a tyler, no matter whose it is, right, doesn’t necessarily mean there’s nefarious activity.
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It could be like any any police file, right, that says, okay, the individual stopped at this particular location and this person was there, doesn’t mean they’re connected to something awful. It wouldn’t go on fucking underage girls. Maybe they were if they’re in the file. Right?
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But I’m just saying, there’s a lot of people probably in that file that are gonna be named if it ever comes out who may or may not have been engaged in in in, illegal activity, but just release the goddamn things.
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Yeah. There’s probably a lot of people who just went there. Did I send you that thing where this guy was breaking did I say NPR or PBS earlier? I meant NPR.
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I think so.
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Did Ai send you that thing that link where this ai breaking down all the different tweets that the lady who is the CEO of NPR made? I don’t think so. In case she’s getting questioned on whether or not she’s biased and then this guy, like, goes over all the different tweets. Goddamn it.
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I know I saved it, but I should’ve I should’ve been been prepared. I know I have it in here because it’s so funny. It’s so funny listening to her. See if you could find you might be able to find it. I just
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think I just found
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it. But, of course,
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they found it beautiful. Because it’s it’s so adorable. No.
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I don’t know.
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This pretending that this was an unbiased news source.
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Yes. Directly from meh own account.
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Well, this is one of them. But let’s but this one guy broke it down. Sorry. Maybe I sana it to Dave Smith. We’ll find it.
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Yeah. But Ai I I again, anybody who at this stage of the game thinks that the media, you know, doesn’t have an agenda, that they’re not complicit in one way or another with whatever maybe ai on.
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Yeah. It’s a joke. It’s a joke. And they’re all funded and they’re I mean, the fact that the government was funding NPR is crazy. Like, this you you can’t have a completely biased one-sided media organization that’s funded by the government and taxpayers. That’s crazy. And they went over all the the amount of people that were on NPR that were Democrats and it’s a 100%.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s like out of 87 people, it’s a 100%.
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And so and look at the New York Times. Yeah. I mean, and and so that none of that should be a surprise to anybody
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ai paying half sai mind. Privately funded company.
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Right.
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I mean Right. It’s like NPR relied on tax money Yeah. And there’s this giant outrage that the government’s gonna defund it.
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Well, a lot and and what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to couch it to saying, look, you’re you’re taking away, you know, the only source of news for, you know, rural locations, for example. Like, you got some place up in North Dakota that, you know, has no other access, and so they rely on NPR for their their news.
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I don’t know a lot of people up in North Dakota that say, I wonder what NPR is saying about this.
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Well, not just that, but it’s ai, at the end of the day, the reality is the Internet exists.
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Yeah.
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And we don’t need you don’t need to fund publicly fund something that’s clearly biased Right. When the Internet exists.
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Right.
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You can get whatever you want. If you want to just absorb and consume only left wing media, there’s so much available. You can go find it. But our tax dollars should not be going to that.
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No. No. And and to be fair, if anybody wants to know what the hell is going on in the news, they can just listen to the President’s Daily Brief podcast, frankly. Your your podcast. I’m ai. Right? Yeah. That’s that’s that’s some yeah. Boy, I just stuck that in there.
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I can’t find this fucking thing. Yeah. Did you find it? As far as you could Let’s hear it.
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Show me if
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somebody concerns you. That’s fantastic.
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As far as the accusations that were biased, I would stand up and say, please show me a story that concerns you because we want to know and we want to bring that conversation back to our newsroom vatsal
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And then they have all these
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And then all these fat phobia and its racist past and present. Some white people may choose thumbs up because it feels vatsal, but some academics argue that opting out what does that mean? Thumbs up signals, lacks awareness about white privilege akin to society associating whiteness with being raceless. What? God. What does that mean?
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How about how racism became a marketing tool for country music?
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Oh, yeah. That’s a good one. Oh, God. This right wing conspiracy theory about eating bugs is about as racist as you think. No. No. That’s ai, literally, this is Oh. And there’s here’s another great quote that she sai. If you look on the right side, Jamie, where it says the truth is a distraction from getting things done, that is such a fucking Orwellian thing to say.
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Click on that just so you can hear her say this, because it’s it’s so bananas that someone would say this out loud and not think it’s
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One of the most significant differences critical for moving from polarization to productivity, is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren’t actually focused on finding the truth.
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Oh, no.
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They’re working for something that’s a little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now. And after seven years there, I actually believe that they’re on to something. Oh. That for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth isn’t necessarily the best place to start.
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In fact, I think our reverence for the truth might become might have become
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What?
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A bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding consensus and getting important things done.
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What? Oh my god.
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That’s fantastic. Sai
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Wild is that. And you want government that is such a wild thing to say.
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You know, going for the truth as a journalist, no.
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No. It’s not important. No.
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It’s not important.
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It’s a distraction. The truth is a distraction.
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You know what I hate? I hate that and you see that all the ai, and I don’t know whether that’s a TED talk or not. But I as soon as I see that type of forum where they’re they’re earnestly standing there, and they’ve got their little mouthpiece there around there, and they’re talking, and they’re they’re looking out into the distance.
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And you you think, oh, climb out of your own fucking ass.
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Right?
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It’s just awful.
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Yeah. I don’t I don’t like any of those things.
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Yeah. I don’t like
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that little Bobby Brown microphone either. Unless you’re on stage The Bobby Brown. Ram?
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Yeah. I remember.
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Used to sing with that?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It’ll step Ai take.
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Sorry. That’s that means step on your line. I’ll join
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in for the chorus.
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I don’t like those little microphones. Hold the microphone like a real fucking human.
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Yeah. It’s a that that that’s a madness. That video clip is madness. That’s a piece of madness. That’s a crazy thing to say. I will say The truth gets in the way.
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I will say that that the the Epstein, the Epstein situation is gonna be so disappointing to so many people now because, I have this theory that nothing ever gets done in Washington DC. Right? Investigations go to die there. Nothing ever happens. There’s never any real consequences of any nature. And we got all sorts of things happening right now. Right?
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So so the Epstein case is just one of them. But right now, you’ve got you’ve got the Dems focused on Epstein because, you know, again, they they see this is a good opportunity here to go after Trump regardless of who else is in the files. Right? And and the Dems, I think, were worried for quite some time and didn’t pursue it because, you know, years back, they were thinking, okay, Clinton’s gonna be embarrassed.
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We don’t want that.
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Right.
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So, again, my point would be just release everything. I don’t understand how if you just look at the way that they handled this logistically, whoever thought because the mob wants to eat. Right? And they’ve been throwing red meat to the mob about Epstein ai now for for years.
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It’s part of how they got elected.
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Right. And sai whoever in their communications group or in their strategic thinking arena in the administration thought, you know, that we can get away with just saying there’s nothing to see here, they should be fired. Right? Because there’s no way you can satisfy this this mob.
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And now the mob is oddly bipartisan because it’s got the dems and it’s got, you know, part of the base of of Trump in there. Yeah. And they’re all, you know, screaming to have this, goddamn it, just release this shit. Otherwise, this is gonna be around, like, Martin Luther King and John f Kennedy and
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Well, that’s what’s crazy. They did release more Martin Luther King docu
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Yeah.
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Documents Yeah. Which is really crazy. Like, why are you holding secrets about the murder of one of the most beloved historical figures of all time Yeah. From 1968?
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Part of that is a family request. Yeah. Part of that is a family request. The family has asked, you know, in the past on a number of occasions. They they they really don’t want some of this because some of it look. Some of it’s salacious about, you know, Martin Luther, which doesn’t take away from everything that he did, right, as a as a leader of a cause in a movement, but some of it is, you know, externalities.
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Affairs. Yeah. Things like that. So there’s been some push to be concerned about that. But but yeah. Now do the Epstein ai.
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Oh, they’ll do it in the same amount of time, fifty six years from now. Yeah. Just like they did with them. It’s fifty six fucking years later they released this stuff.
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This and and and we’re still not any closer to I mean, we yeah. Yeah. Again, I don’t wanna disappear on that rabbit hole, but we’re still not any closer with Martin Luther King. You know, again, not a conspiracy god except today, apparently. But there’s there’s shit there. When you
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said Yeah. You’ve said multiple times that if there’s one that you think looks really bad, it’s that one.
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It’s that one. But I I going back to I I know I’m bouncing around here, but going back to the Epstein thing, I don’t understand how they handled this so poorly. Right? For Ram Bondi to to come out and talk about the files and, oh my god. Right. Just just and then, like, within a blink of an eye, they come out with this bullshit Sunday night memo saying there’s nothing to see.
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How did they just lack of coordination?
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Yeah. I do. Yeah. That makes sense. I think it’s a meh problem is always kind of a key element of the Trump administration, whether it’s this one or not. And then look, that’s not a you know, I’m not knocking a lot of the policies. I like a lot of the policies that come out of this this administration.
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This one in in the in the previous the the first administration, but I’m just saying a hallmark of a Trump administration is, the ability to, have a self inflicted wound. You know, shoot yourself in the foot because of messaging usually. Right? Right. So I think they’ve they’ve done it again, and I don’t see how they I don’t see how they walked ai back.
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They’re trying to, I think, with this interview with Ghislaine Maxwell to say, look, we’re trying.
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We’re we’re talking to meh, you know. But how does Pam Bondi say we have thousands of hours of footage? And then Kash Patel says we don’t have anything that you’re looking for. Yeah. And then Tim Dillon said he has lunch with JD Vance, and JD Vance says that ten thousand hours is commercial pornography.
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Right. Yeah. You think this speak show of Epstein wasn’t, like, it didn’t have hidden cameras, it wasn’t taped and shah, ai would it be a meh?
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A 100%. Yeah. Well, that was the thing about that house, that house they had in New York City, which is, by the way, for sale. And Oh, really? Yeah. Nobody wants to buy it.
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Like, you
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wanna buy Epstein’s house? Do
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the cameras convey?
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But this is the thing. I mean, you gotta gut the walls. How are you gonna know what the fuck is in there? Yeah. Imagine you’re walking around your house naked and you think that the CIA is got or you’re you’re own freaking your organization. Yeah. Whoever is. To be fair, they just got
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a lot of hours of videotaping me walking around naked. I’m sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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But Mossad, whoever it is that was involved in this intelligence gathering, I mean, I’m just guessing. Sai have no idea. Yeah. But there’s fucking pinhole cameras all over that house.
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Yeah. Yeah. We yeah. Maybe they took them down. Start from that perception. Right? Because, again, if anything else, you’re just being naive if you think, no. There’s nothing. Again
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You gotta take it down to the bare beams. Yeah. You gotta strip the wallboard off. You gotta fucking every baseboard, you gotta pull everything. It’s like it’s like fucking knows what’s in that house.
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We had a we had a sai situation in Moscow one time where we’re building, it was the new embassy, the US embassy in Moscow. Right? And for some reason, you know, part of the deal was to allow Russian contractors to work on the construction of this.
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20:21
Yeah. What the fuck?
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You know? So but it’s a it’s a government thing, you know, and so you can imagine there’s I ai it to your point. There’s not a lot of coordination. So, you know, the Russian contractors thinking, oh, this is great. We’re, helping to construct the US Embassy. And they know there’s gonna be sensitive areas within there, the station, you know, for the for the agency and and, other areas.
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Anyway, at a certain point, they’re they’re just about finished with construction. And just by not by having sense. I mean, there there were efforts to try to, examine what the Russians were doing. Right? So the security side of things, they were concerned about the fact that the Russians were working on it.
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You know, you had the state department and others that were like, no. It’s a good idea. You know? It helps with diplomacy. So the security guys were doing things.
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They were x raying, you know, parts of materials that were coming in for the construction. Apparently, at one point, what was going on was the Russians were, installing listening devices inside the rebar, right, of the of the construction process. And, apparently, at one point, they you know, one of the wires on the on one of these, communications devices that was stuck in there had bryden.
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And so they soldered it. The Russians did. They soldered it with aluminum. That showed up when they were x raying, that particular large bit of of, you know, material that they were gonna install. And that was the the way that they found out, and they said, what the fuck? Then they had to tear the entire goddamn thing down. Ai forget it.
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I think it was two or three different floors of this embassy. They had to remove they bit by ai, shipped it back to The States to to examine fully, and and it was just loaded with with listening devices by the Russians. Right? So it’s gonna be the same with the long story short, it’s the same sai Epstein’s Place. Oh, 100%. You gotta tear it down.
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22:04
Yeah. It’s a nice house too, and it’s like right right on the park. Yeah. And I was like, wonder why that’s still for saloni. What are they asking
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for it, do you think?
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I think it’s like 60 or 70,000,000.
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Oh. I might look at it.
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Find it. It’s pretty dope. $20.21
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for 51,000,000. Holy shit.
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But it’s for sale now, though. Right?
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That Ai didn’t see.
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22:23
I’m pretty sure it’s for sale right now.
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I wonder if it gets a premium because it’s Epstein’s place. You know, you know, like a celebrity premium for a ai. I wonder if that’s the case. You know? You get
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22:31
You’d have to be a fucking complete psycho to wanna live in that guy’s house.
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22:36
Sai guy’s gonna buy Diddy’s spot. Yeah. Yeah. Ai I
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22:40
don’t know what the fuck.
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22:42
God. But there’s so you’ve got you’ve got the Epstein thing going on. Like, how does that
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get resolved? This is the question. Like, if you’re the administration, you’re looking at this puzzle, and you’re trying to figure out how to make this, a PR win.
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22:56
Too late for that. What do you
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what the fuck can you do at this point? Is it for sale?
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55 mil two years ago, it says.
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23:03
Holy shit.
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23:03
Is this not for sale right now?
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23:05
Not according to Zillow.
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23:06
Mhmm. Zero bedrooms, only one bath. That’s not a very nice place.
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23:10
For the hell. It’s just one big fuck hall.
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23:15
It’s just yeah. We call it the playroom.
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23:18
This is the house. Oh ai god.
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23:20
It looks like a good night.
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23:21
It. $65,000,000 in Manhattan.
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23:24
What the hell?
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The wild thing is that it’s ai right on the street. Like, anybody can come
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to your door and just knock on
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your door, like walking by.
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Yeah. It’s weird.
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Living there is weird. Yeah.
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Ai at I’m just looking like look at that.
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Meanwhile, no one can explain where
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he got the money. No one can explain why he got
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so rich.
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You know, and Eric Ai, who is a, like, a legit financial ai, said he talked to him. He had a meeting with him once. He’s ai, it was really clear that he’s a construct. He’s like, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He doesn’t know anything.
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Yeah.
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That’s not for sale right now?
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I didn’t say it was. Oh. It’s it’s listed on Zillow, but not for sale. It’s like, well, everything is still on Zillow, kinda.
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Oh. Mhmm. Ai, it was for sai. Yeah.
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Look it up.
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24:03
Maybe there’s another service that’s because sometimes Zillow doesn’t have all the stuff because someone I know was looking at it.
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Yeah. Maybe it’s on cheap old houses.
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That’s a
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good site.
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Yeah. It’s a bargain.
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It’s a fixer upper, though.
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Yeah. But, like, you’d have to go through that house. You’d have to hire, like, the top of the food chain security experts to go and they would probably recommend you take that house apart.
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24:26
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you did you’d you could do a, install a a speak of the thing and and, you know, but that’s not gonna guarantee. Right? You you really have to pull the walls down and and look because Ai I again, maybe I’m wrong. There’s never say never, but I can’t imagine that that that a a ai like like Epstein, you know, wasn’t enjoying videoing, you know, some of the activity that was going on.
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For sure.
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Yeah. Anyway So what do you think ram your perspective? What do you think that was all about? Who do you think was involved in that?
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Do you
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think it was the Mossad? Do you think it was Yeah. Some rogue intelligence agency in America? Was it a coordinated effort?
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25:09
You know what? I I know this, you know, there’s a lot of talk about, you know, did he have some sort of intel connection. Right? Right. That, you know, from my perspective, it’s complete speculation, but I will say, like, from an operational perspective, I I have no idea. Was it Massad? Was it anybody?
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25:24
Who knows? Right. But from an operational perspective, if you see a guy like this who’s super connected and is and, you know, all the way back to what, 2008 was, ai, his first trial. Right? So he’s had a long history of these these problems.
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25:38
But if you know that he’s kind of engaged in a variety of things, as an example, if I’m the if I’m Chinese intel, right, and I I just read the goddamn entertainment news and, you know, there’s these rumors and allegations of, you know, high level people flying off to his ai.
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I’m gonna think that’s interesting because potentially, if I could get an access source, if I can get somebody, right, inside that operation, whether it’s Ghislaine Maxwell, whether it’s Epstein himself, whether it’s somebody who’s just on the outskirts of it, maybe I’ll I’ll start picking up some pretty interesting leverageable information on people that maybe I want to influence.
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26:15
And it’s so funny to me that it’s always comes down to, like, carnal needs and carnal desires. Yeah. It’s always sai. Yeah. Because these guys, when you get to, like, this Bill Gates level and Bill Clinton level, you can’t just go pick up gals at the bar. Yeah.
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26:33
You know It’s a real tough. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So if you’re a super famous super freak and, you know, you’ll you like chasing skirts, but, you know, you can’t do it, like, what do you do?
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26:43
Well, you do what he did. Right? Which is he get, you know, somebody to procure for you, which apparently was primarily Maxwell’s job. Yeah. And she’s out there and and, you know, she was described, you know, usually as his girlfriend, but she was clearly operating as his pimp or whatever the female version of a pimp is.
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26:59
But yeah. Curator. Curator. Yeah. It’s sai curator. Yeah.
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27:01
And so he’s, you know, she’s out there doing that. But, look, again, you know, I I I can’t speak to, you know, you know, the the rumors about him working for one intel agency or another. But I will sai, if I’m working for an intel agency and I see something like that, yeah, I might find that of interest.
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27:20
Right? And then
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I would I would definitely go after somebody to see what’s going on. Just if for no other reason, then, you know, again, maybe it’s sai it’s a opportunity there, you know.
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27:29
Well, it’s the easiest connect the dots puzzle of all time. Yeah. You got rich powerful people and hot chicks and probably drugs
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Yeah.
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And cameras.
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27:36
Yeah. And and I tell you, the Russians love nothing better than, you know, the the truth the reality is in in terms of recruiting an asset. Recruiting an asset by using blackmail is is is tough. Right? You gotta you gotta that window starts closing immediately, right, in terms of their operational usefulness. Right?
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27:56
Because there there’s a lot of there’s a lot of issues there. Right? You’re you’re you’re you’re blackmailing somebody for their cooperation. At some point, that’s gonna go south on you. Right? It’s not like you’ve recruited somebody for ideological reasons. Right?
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28:09
Or even something as as straightforward vatsal, like, they need the money because their kid’s sick or whatever it may be. So blackmails ai but having said that, look, the the the Russians in particular love that. Right? And, Chinese intel, they’ll do whatever works from their perspective.
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28:25
You know, the agency again, people are gonna say that’s bullshit. The agency tries they they they the blackmail is never really ever on the table as an option because it always leads to a problem. And and sometimes those problems can be very, very bad in terms
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28:43
of In what way? What do you mean?
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28:45
Well, you know, the asset will turn on you. Right? Next thing you know, you know, you’ve got a a an agent working now, a double agent working for the other ai. Right? Because they’re just they’re so fucked over by the fact that they’ve been blackmailed. And at some point, they lose their shit and ai to roll for the other ai.
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29:01
But aren’t you, like, constantly monitoring them and looking at their phone?
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29:05
There’s only somewhat no. Not there’s only so much you can do, right, in terms of, maintaining particularly with the with the with the, a hard target, particularly with, an asset who’s in a difficult or challenging ai, you know, Paris, and you’ve got limited access to them, whatever it may be.
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29:20
So you’re really relying on on clandestine communications. You don’t have a lot of face to face meetings. And at some point, you never know when things are heading south. Right? And then the next thing you know, look, you know, that so it’s that’s that’s the operational reason for trying to avoid blackmail. Right? Has it ever been done?
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29:37
Well, sure. Yeah. I mean, I’m not saying it hasn’t been done.
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Of course.
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But some services go to it much quicker than others do. Yeah. So
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And which
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services ai? Well, again, the Russians are are primary users of of something like that. They don’t they because they they there’s a shocking approach. Yeah. Israelis have ai been known to do that in the ai operations that they’ll do and and other things. But the Russians throw a lot of shit at the wall and see what sticks. Right? It’s a very much a, shah approach. Right?
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30:01
And, you know, honestly, sometimes, you know, that that can work.
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30:05
Right? Wasn’t that kind of if you thought about this ai, if you’re bringing award winning scientists, ai famous people, politicians, world leaders, all to one place, you’re basically throwing as much shit against the wall as you can.
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Yeah.
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30:20
And then you have all this stuff on all these different people and they know it. And so then you just kinda ai, wasn’t there like some CEO that had to step down because he wound up giving Epstein it was found out that he gave Epstein ai a $150,000,000 that they couldn’t explain ai?
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30:35
Wow. Wasn’t that Yeah. Wasn’t that the case, Jamie? Sai it’s one of those things where there’s obviously value in having all these people on your side. Yeah.
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30:45
But when you do get all this information on these people, like, what are they trying to accomplish with it? This is the question. Are they trying to get support for a policy to step down after firm finds more payments to Jeffrey Epstein? A 158,000,000. He paid the convicted sex offender 158,000,000.
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31:05
What does it if you can can you scroll down a little bit, Jamie?
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31:09
Yeah. His plan to step down as chief I I have advised the Apollo board that I will retire as CEO before my seventh birth seventieth birthday in Ai, remain as chairman. Ai. He’s gonna remain as a chairman. New York Times detailed ai least 75,000,000 in payments and found that mister Black had paid Epstein a 158,000,000 in a five year period ending in 02/2017.
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31:33
He also lent mister Epstein more than 30,000,000, only 10,000,000 of which he was paid back. Wow. So that’s a guy that they got something on him.
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I love this. He Leon Leon viewed Epstein as a confirmed bachelor with eclectic tastes. This was after his 2,008 guilty plea.
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31:51
Yeah. Wow.
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31:54
Yes. Mister Epstein’s advice was worth was worth perhaps 2,000,000,000 in tax savings to mister Black according to the report. Right. What the hell?
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32:03
But this is again, this is what Yeah. Weinstein sai. Eric said that this, like, this guy is not he’s not good. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Like, he wasn’t a good financial ai.
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32:15
Yeah. I mean, I think part of it is you can say, okay. Why was he collecting people around him? Why was he doing I mean, were was he keeping a file? Right? You still have to figure out what that file looks like. You know, part of it could have been initially self preservation. Right? I mean, he’s engaged in all sorts of activity.
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32:30
He gets a few people into it, then suddenly, you know, he doesn’t look so bad. Right? And he’s kinda protecting himself because now I’m surrounded by people who also have to keep that secret. And so but then but then the question becomes, you know, is at what point is he or somebody in this little tight circle there?
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32:46
Are they approached, right, by by anybody who’s interested in some of these folks? Well, we don’t know because we don’t know who the fuck’s in these files. Right. Right? So
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32:53
Or if the files even exist.
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32:55
If the files even exist and apparently, you know, there’s nothing in there according to Ram Bondi.
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32:59
And Kash Patel. The whole thing’s nuts. Yeah. And then, you know, the I have Bonjino and Kash Patel saying he definitely killed himself. Like, what? Yeah. What? Okay. This just the level of convenience, it’s so convenient that the guards were asleep. So convenient that the cameras didn’t work.
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33:18
So convenient that years later, you have ai of the cell, but a minute is missing from it?
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33:25
Three minutes. Yeah.
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33:26
Three minutes? Yeah.
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33:26
They found
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out it was, like, almost three minutes sai missing. Two minutes, like, fifty three seconds.
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33:30
It’s like the missing Watergate tape.
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Oh, I thought it
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was just a start.
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33:33
It didn’t
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start off as a minute, and then people kept looking at the metadata and metadata, ai, okay, it was saved this many ai, and,
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33:39
it was actually
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33:40
up to three minutes in this.
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33:41
Good. Okay.
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33:42
That’s plenty of time to kill somebody. Three minutes is more than enough time.
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33:45
Meh, three minutes, you could get a whole bunch of people killed by then.
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33:48
Yeah. You saw that guy that was his cellmate too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Ai is a fucking gigantic human being. Yeah. A huge guy who is a mass murderer. Yeah. Who killed multiple people, a bad cop, who was built like a brick fucking shit house.
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34:03
Yeah.
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34:04
The ai of guy that you could really easily get to strangle somebody.
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34:07
Yeah.
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34:07
It would take him I could kill him in thirty seconds.
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34:11
Yeah.
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34:11
No. How’s this fucking giant dude could do it easy. Meh from Ra Epstein no thanks.
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Ai.
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34:17
Metadata from Ra Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and fifty three seconds were removed from one of the two stitched together clips. The cut starts off at the missing minute. Wow. Weird. Yeah. Shocker.
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34:32
Yeah. Yeah. So a guy like that sai, yeah, he’s gonna off himself. Ai and and again But
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34:37
here’s the thing, it’s ai, these guys that are all involved in this are still they’ve been around for a long ai, and they have this mentality that existed before the Internet, where you could just ai put stuff out there Yeah. And you wouldn’t have all these psycho sleuths out there that are gonna go over everything with a fine tooth comb, especially guys who are tech wizards who can look at the metadata and they can figure this ai of stuff out.
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35:01
Well, shit died a lot quicker. You’re right. So something would happen and, look, we we still have ADHD, right, collectively as a nation. Right? Ai mean, things move on, and I think maybe that’s what they’re, you know and some people are saying, look, they’ve called the recess on Capitol Hill because they figure by the time they come back in September, everybody will have moved on from this.
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35:16
Right? Yeah. I think they’re wrong. I don’t I don’t think this is this again, this this feels like and and just looks like that one of those handful of conspiracies, again, you go to JFK or whomever, that’s just gonna hang around.
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35:29
This is a line in the sand. Yeah. This one’s a line in the sand. Yeah. Because this is one where there’s a lot of stuff about, you know, when we thought Trump was gonna come in and a lot of things are gonna be resolved.
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35:41
Yeah.
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35:41
We’re gonna drain the swamp, we’re gonna figure everything out. And when you have this one hardcore line in the sand that everybody been talking about forever, and then they’re trying to gaslight you on that.
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35:52
Well, you would have thought that Ai that
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35:53
your phone?
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35:54
Yeah. I hope not. Oh. Oh. It’s ai wife. Should I answer? Ai, buddy. Yeah. It’s on you know, it was on silent, but it still goes. How does that happen? It literally is on ai.
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36:04
And Are you sure?
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36:05
Yeah. No. I’m positive because it’s it’s got a little thing up top that says silent. And, and it’s still compromised.
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36:11
My phone
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36:11
is still My phone is ai you. You’re friends
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36:12
with me.
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36:13
Well They
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36:14
don’t trust you anymore.
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36:15
They did call me this morning. What are you gonna talk about?
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36:17
I said, I don’t know. Do they ever talk to you about that? Do they ever have questions about your appearances here?
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36:23
No. No. In fact and I I’m I’m in the building on occasion, and and, we’re actually working on a on a show that’s gonna be a it’s gonna be a great, TV show based on this this amazing museum that’s inside agency headquarters. But nobody ever nobody ever says that. Ai, you know, they don’t we have a really nice relationship. They don’t tell me what to say.
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36:41
If I go on TV to talk about something, they just, ai, you know, they they it’s not like they’re gonna call up and say, well, here’s our here’s our view on this.
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36:47
They trust you.
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36:48
Yeah. They trust me. I’m not gonna open my app and talk sources and meh, and at the same time, you know, I’m just gonna try to just talk from an operational perspective. But yeah. So so that was my wife, which reminds me, it’s my boy, Muggsy’s birthday today.
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37:02
Happy birthday, Muggsy.
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37:03
Yeah. Thank you very much.
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37:05
Look. With a with a thing like this, what is the general feeling about people that you talk to that are still in the agency or people that are still involved in the government? Like, how are they feeling about this? Because, like, the general public is outraged. Right?
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37:18
Yeah.
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37:18
Do the people inside, are they frustrated? Like, people that wanted this stuff to expose to be exposed?
Speaker: 3
37:24
Yeah. You know, it’s funny because with the agency, it’s not like the bureau. The agency, I think most people, honestly, don’t really probably give a shit about the Epstein files. They’re more they’re more concerned now about this release from Tulsi Gabbard and the talk about, you know, manipulating intelligence, you know, for the two thousand sixteen election
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37:43
Right.
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37:44
And Russian collusion and all of that. That speaks more to the agency than than the Epstein files does just from a, you know, whose responsibility is whose. Right? This is Epstein thing is a DOJ Ai issue. I think if they’re concerned about it, it’s because of how it erodes trust in organizations, institutions. Right?
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38:03
And then that will that’s happened a, a lot. So, you know, I there’s a lot of lot of good people. I know again, every time I talk about the agency people are like, fuck you. You’re such a shill. But there’s a lot of good people doing very difficult work for the agency.
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38:16
I believe that.
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38:17
I believe that. And and so, you know, I think if anything, they they take it personally when people think, fuck the Ai. You gotta you gotta burn it down and start over again. You know, like they said with the FBI as well.
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38:28
I’ve talked about that many ai. Like, you don’t know what the fuck is going on in the world. The world is filled with chaos.
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38:32
Like, you need people that
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38:33
are paying attention to that shah, and they should be on your side.
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38:36
Yeah.
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38:36
They should be on the side of the American people paying attention to threats. If you’d think that that’s that not paying attention at all is gonna do you any good when there’s all these countries out there that are fucking plotting constantly, you’re crazy. Yeah. No. This is a you’re living in the utopia. You’re living in a fake world. The real world is filled with madness.
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38:55
And you you gotta have people paying attention to it.
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38:57
Yeah. But I think so I think that, you know, to answer that that question, I think they’re more they’re more focused on or interested in or, you know, looking at this issue of, you know, and and it’s it’s surfaced again right at the same time as the Epstein files. Right? Now it’s like sucking all the oxygen out of the room for the past couple of days. Tulsi Gabbard comes out releasing these documents. She releases these documents.
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39:19
What do you think about all that? Like, so this is the accusation. They’re they’re they’re throwing around the word treason. Yeah. They’re saying that Obama knew that Russia did not meddle in the election, did not have any impact in the election, but yet promoted this idea and then there’s been some incredible clips of all these different news reporters, CNN and MSNBC just saying over and over and over again, clear evidence of Russian collusion and
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39:46
Yeah. Yeah. Then you got Hillary Clinton saying, you know, is is, you know, an Arya illegitimacy around Trump’s, you know, victory, you know, from 2016 because of this. I mean, she was very clear about it. And as we’re They’re also
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39:57
saying many others. Right? The noose is tightening on Trump. Yeah. It’s all gonna come out. He’s an agent of Russia.
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40:03
Yeah. Adam Schiff coming out on camera numerous times saying, you know, I can’t tell you what I’ve seen, but I’ve seen things vatsal lot more than circumstantial evidence about this collusion. Sai, yeah, they but, again, the it’s it’s much more comp it’s always the same thing.
Speaker: 3
40:17
It’s much more complex than what folks tend to hear just in, like, a two and a half or three minute news segment. Right? So the Democrats want you to think there’s nothing to see here in these documents. How could you possibly spend time doing this? You’re just trying to distract from the the Epstein ai. And the Republicans are saying, Obama committed treason. Right?
Speaker: 3
40:39
The reality is, as it oftentimes is is is somewhere in that middle. Right? There there there’s a lot of conflating of of issues here. So nobody is questioning. Now that Republicans or Democrats, nobody’s questioning that the Russians meddled in the election just like they did in the previous one, just like they did in this last one.
Speaker: 3
41:00
Just sai they’re always but they’ve been meddling since World War two. Right? Since the end of the of World War two. They’ve they’ve always had an interest in influencing US politics.
Speaker: 2
41:08
Now when you say meddle, do you mean, like, social media bots? Do you mean, ai, influencing politicians? Like, what do you mean
Speaker: 0
41:16
by meddle?
Speaker: 3
41:16
Well, I mean, you know, in the early days, what were they doing? In the early days, they would, pay off trade union representatives, right, to to push a certain ai, to, you know, to push for a softer tone, much like the Chinese do now, push for a softer tone against the Soviet Union.
Speaker: 3
41:34
Right? Or, in in during World War two to push for isolationism, keep The US out of the war, right, before the Nazis turned on the Soviet Union and they tended to need us. Or they would pay journalists to write articles pushing a particular point of view. And sai there were those things. Things. Now social media meddling is a lot easier. Right?
Speaker: 3
41:54
It’s a lot cheaper.
Speaker: 2
41:55
For sure
Speaker: 3
41:56
they do that. Yeah. For sure they do that. Right?
Speaker: 2
41:58
And for sure they did that in 02/2016.
Speaker: 3
42:00
Absolutely. And and nobody’s questioning that. Right? What’s happening is that once again, there’s a bit of a messaging problem from the Trump administration. Ram administration, at the end of the day, is saying, what was bullshit was this Russia collusion angle. Right? Was the idea that, you know, this is complicated to to explain.
Speaker: 3
42:23
I’m not doing a very good job of it, but they’re saying, yes, there was meh, but you pushed a story, meaning Brennan and Comey and, you know, all the others that were involved in this and now going up to the top with Obama, saying, you took what was, a a, Intel Community Assessment, sai ICA is, because everything has an acronym, that said there was no indication of of, of, Russian efforts to push or influence in a particular direction the election.
Speaker: 3
42:55
Right? And most of that initial reporting was on, election infrastructure. So there was a a fairly, you know, significant bit there that said the Russians did weren’t able to hack into election machines and actually alter vote counts. Right? So they said we have seen no evidence of that. Right?
Speaker: 3
43:13
And so you could argue that in part, the the the Trump administration is having a hard time explaining, much like I am, that the problem here wasn’t that there was anybody’s saying there’s no meh, there’s meddling. They’re just saying that you at a certain point, round about December 9, I think it was, you had a meeting where Obama was sitting in there with Comey and Andrew McCabe and and a variety of others, and the president himself requested a different intelligence community assessment, which is a little unusual for a president to say Ai like you to do an ICA on a particular thing,
Speaker: 2
43:50
which is Do you elaborate on that? Ai, so they were telling him what?
Speaker: 3
43:54
Well, they were they were telling him we don’t see, that Russian meddling impacted the election, basically. The Ram are saying, well, that’s just about the electronic infrastructure, about the voting machines. Right? In reality, the ICA was also that that that instruction, the PD the president’s daily brief and and the the the ai that had been done, the analysis had been done up to that point was saying, we haven’t seen anything that the Russian meddling influenced the outcome of the election.
Speaker: 3
44:22
Well, then, shortly and then they they squashed that particular piece. Right? They said, let’s let’s shelve that, and that’s what a lot of the emails that Tulsi Gabbard, released show. Right? Ai, like, all this agonizing.
Speaker: 3
44:36
It’s amazing any shit gets done in the government when you read these emails going back and forth between James Clapper at the DNI and and other places. Yeah.
Speaker: 2
44:42
You sent me some of that
Speaker: 3
44:43
stuff to
Speaker: 2
44:43
go through.
Speaker: 3
44:44
Yeah. The analysts and others. And they’re all saying, okay. Well well, what ai of tone do we give it? What do we say about this? And you can also see in there that they’re saying, we don’t think the Steele dossier is credible. You know, the two senior Russian analysts, right, at the agency were telling John Brennan at the time, you if you put the dossier in there as a piece of information into this assessment, you’re compromising the credibility of the whole thing because we don’t believe it.
Speaker: 3
45:08
Right? And this is December. Right? And Brennan instructed, and it’s in writing, instructed them to go ahead and do it. Right?
Speaker: 3
45:16
Because it basically he was he liked the narrative, right, of the Steele dossier.
Speaker: 2
45:23
Right.
Speaker: 3
45:24
And so he chose that over, the analytical, process. Right? Over the discipline that you need to corroborate information that’s going to go to a high level, intel assessment. So, you know, if anybody’s in in the crosshairs right now, it’s probably John Bryden, right, in terms of because he went up on on Capitol Hill at some point and and and said that, you know, the Steele dossier didn’t form an important point of, you know, wasn’t in the the document, wasn’t in the ICA.
Speaker: 3
45:55
The ICA is now out there, and and sure enough, it was not only in the annex, it was in the body of the report, which gives it much more credibility. So yeah. So he, you know, Ai not a lawyer, but, you know, I think he should be concerned a little bit about where that might go.
Speaker: 3
46:12
But Obama reportedly, and it’s in email traffic, you know, requested, right, a different ICA. And so shortly thereafter, they produce sai report.
Speaker: 2
46:24
Say it?
Speaker: 3
46:26
I forget what the exact wording. I’m like, I’m just gonna vatsal in here.
Speaker: 2
46:28
Thing. If you have a bunch of experts
Speaker: 3
46:30
Yeah.
Speaker: 2
46:30
That give you an assessment, these are the facts, this is how it went down. You know, like, I don’t like those facts.
Speaker: 3
46:35
Well, I don’t think I want I think he said I don’t like the facts, and that’s where this is gonna be a problem. Anybody who thinks Obama’s gonna go to prison for treasonous conspiracy, I ai, again, much like Pam Bondi, you know, with the the her treating of the Epstein files, which was ridiculous.
Speaker: 3
46:48
Tulsi Gabbard’s gotten out over her skis. Treasonous conspiracy. Is that what she said? That’s what she said. It’s not gonna happen.
Speaker: 3
46:54
Anybody who thinks Obama’s going to forget about it. You know, it’ll be you’ll be lucky if you get any consequences of anything out of this. Again, I’m I’m very cynical about where investigations go.
Speaker: 2
47:03
Well, this is also based on the Supreme Court’s justification of everything that Trump did while he was in office. Right. Ai you can’t try them for Immunity. Do when they’re off.
Speaker: 3
47:12
Yeah. Immunity for, you know, for acting, you know, under the authority as a president. But so and it’s also very nuanced. Right? He can sit in there. He’s perfectly got the right to sit in a meeting and say, okay. Well, I tell you what. Let’s let’s sit on this. Right? And James Clapper and the others agreed. Yeah. We’re gonna we’re gonna we’re gonna take this document. We’re gonna set it aside that we all worked on.
Speaker: 3
47:33
Now sana wanna restructure it focused on, you know, the outcome of the election and the Russian meddling and where this went and how they so it was he can do that. Right? And it’s nuanced and he can and and never get in trouble because, yeah, fine. You got the right to do that.
Speaker: 3
47:49
Sai mean, it’s not it’s not illegal by any means. But there is no doubt in my mind that there was a desire to, to drive this thing in a certain direction. Right? And so there is no doubt in my mind that, a, first of all, using the Steele dossier in there was it was just horseshit. Right?
Speaker: 3
48:12
Because that that thing there hasn’t been any allegation in that Steele dossier that’s that’s been verifiable, and they knew that. Right? So so they went and they remember, they used that Steele dossier in part to then go to FISA courts and and get warrants. Right? So that’s another issue that I think from a legal perspective, again, not a lawyer, but I think some people should be probably concerned about how they represented that information knowing.
Speaker: 3
48:35
Right? Based on kind of what we’re seeing from the the the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard. But, again, you can see by virtue of how difficult I’m I’m I’m trying to explain this. It’s much more complex, right, than just them bad, these guys good, these guys good, these guys bad. Right?
Speaker: 3
48:53
It’s there’s layers here that I think need to be examined, and I think that, at the end of the day, you’re not really going to get meh like every fucking everything else that happens in DC, you’re not gonna get a lot of satisfaction on this one. But I do think I’m convinced that, yeah, they drove this narrative shortly after into January when they released the new Ai, then suddenly speak to the press, and that’s when the Russia collusion story happened.
Speaker: 3
49:20
Right?
Speaker: 0
49:20
Mhmm.
Speaker: 3
49:21
And that’s the, you know, that’s the that’s the thing that they should be focused on. Right? They’re they’re losing they’re losing the the message because they’re they’re throwing shit out there. There’s a lot of detail and people get bored and, you know, so I think that’s that’s a problem they’re gonna have here ai to push this thing forward.
Speaker: 3
49:40
And I do think also that Tyler Gabbard should have been a little bit more circumspect in the way she explained this, right, and how she described the actions. Because I think there were some people who are culpable in terms of going after this narrative and pushing this Russia collusion story that then wasted a couple of years.
Speaker: 3
49:56
And, you know, god knows how much money on investigations and impeachment hearings and all the rest of it. But then Why
Speaker: 2
50:03
do you think she chose to frame it that way? Do you think she was instructed to do that or she was guided to do that or encouraged to do that? Because if if Yeah. Ai if it’s not warranted, if you don’t believe it’s warranted based on the evidence that you’ve looked at
Speaker: 3
50:16
No.
Speaker: 2
50:16
Like, she’s the director of national intelligence. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
50:20
How does Well, I think I think she’s part of it is the realization that, look, Ai mean, you you put that information out there. I think it would have been more appropriate if she’d released all the meh, sai, here’s and and lay out in a very good, like, almost like a PowerPoint presentation for the you know, make it very simple for the press because the press isn’t inclined to pursue this because the press were complicit.
Speaker: 3
50:40
Right? Sai you’re trying to say, this is what these people did and you helped them. Now what we want is for you, meaning the media, to uncover all of this and report on it. They’re not gonna they’re fucking ai gonna they were winning awards, journalistic awards for their coverage of the Russia collusion story. Right.
Speaker: 3
50:56
So the idea that they’re gonna somehow now say, yeah, I don’t know. That was a problem. So I think they should have maybe just made this more factual based, stayed away from the, you know, the sort of the hyperbolic statements about treason and all the rest of it, and then, you know, ai to explain it to the American public in a way that they can digest a little bit better.
Speaker: 3
51:14
Right? But when you throw out things like treasonous conspiracy, once again, much like with the Epstein thing, you’re you’re creating this this ai of howling mob that’s gonna expect something. And Ai just don’t know that they’re gonna get it. But
Speaker: 2
51:26
Right. So do you think that it’s possible that she was encouraged to do this because this kinda takes away some of the heat off of the Epstein thing?
Speaker: 3
51:36
I’m sure that was a thought process in there somewhere.
Speaker: 2
51:38
Yeah. Possibly. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
51:39
I think It’s a reasonable Yeah. Assumption. Look. It’s an important issue. Right? If you have the intel community, or you have, you know, the the the White House, deciding to themselves, look, we know this this information is ai bullshit, but it certainly serves a narrative, which is we sana delegitimize the new president that’s coming in because we we we can’t stand him, then that’s a really, really serious problem that needs to be examined.
Speaker: 2
52:05
It’s also so short ai because do you not know that that information is eventually gonna come out that’s gonna compromise the confidence that people have in anything that the intelligence agencies put forth after that?
Speaker: 3
52:19
Yeah. Well, I think a lot of, you know, part of what was going on was the expectation that Hillary Clinton was gonna win. Right? Sai, like, with the Steele ai, try to, you know, dig up leverageable information or dirt on on Ram. You know, I think they were all under the assumption, well, Hillary Clinton’s gonna win. It doesn’t really matter what we do right now because she’s gonna cover for us.
Speaker: 3
52:38
Right? Right.
Speaker: 2
52:39
And, you
Speaker: 3
52:39
know, I don’t think they ever expected Trump to win. So, you know, then suddenly they’ve got to shift course a little bit and think, okay. Alright. Well, now that that didn’t work. Now what? Well, let’s let’s say that and we’ve got this document over here talking about Russian meddling.
Speaker: 3
52:52
You know, is it is it is it that much of a push to kinda say that, you know, that we we believe there might have been collusion and the media ran with it. Right? They didn’t have to do much.
Speaker: 2
53:01
They ran with it for three years.
Speaker: 3
53:02
For three years.
Speaker: 2
53:02
Yeah. Three years hardcore all the ai. Every time they talked about Ram. Yeah. Which is crazy. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you’re the biggest Trump hater in the world, I understand. But understand this, that that is dangerous. It’s dangerous to have the media in lock step with the government who’s saying something that’s not true.
Speaker: 3
53:22
Yeah. Yeah. I meh, and they and they they scream about, you know, threats to democracy all the time. Let’s just be a little bit more self aware. Realize, you know, what that looked like. Right? You can’t you know, people were just bullshitting about evidence that they had or that they saw.
Speaker: 2
53:36
Right? Well, the Democrats saying anything is a threat to democracy is wild when they haven’t had a primary since 02/2012. That’s wild.
Speaker: 3
53:44
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: 2
53:44
That’s really wild. I mean, they they kicked Bernie out. They made sure RFK Junior wasn’t in. And then when it came time for Kamala to run, no primary at all. They just put her in position. Yeah. That’s wild. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
53:59
They didn’t know what else to do. And and and, by the way, there’s so much going on right now. Today, speaking of Kamala and and now now we’re gonna speak about Ai, but today, was his name, the chief of staff, the former chief of staff for Ai. I think he was only there for a couple of years.
Speaker: 3
54:17
Ron Klain was up on Capitol Hill to talk because they’re holding these interviews up on Capitol Hill to try to figure out what the hell was going on. Right? What at what point did people decide they’re gonna cover up the mental condition of Joe Biden? And that’s another look.
Speaker: 3
54:32
I mean
Speaker: 2
54:33
And then they’re all pleading the fifth.
Speaker: 3
54:34
They’re all pleading the fifth. Kevin O’Connor, his, the White House doctor, plead the fifth. Senior ai to Joe Biden, what’s his name? Bernal. Andrew Bernal ai the fifth. Right? You know, and Ron Klain apparently stayed up there for a couple hours talking. Right? But, you know, again, Ai don’t he wasn’t there for the last couple years of the administration, I think, but he was there for the debate prep. Right?
Speaker: 3
54:58
And he’s come out publicly and ai, I was shocked at his condition. So, you know, people are
Speaker: 2
55:03
I think they set him up for failure in that debate. No. Why first of all, why arya they having a debate that late? Why would they agree to a debate at 9PM?
Speaker: 3
55:12
Yeah. When you got a
Speaker: 2
55:13
guy who’s really old and Yeah. Kinda broken down. Why would
Speaker: 3
55:18
you do that? Ai timing. Who
Speaker: 2
55:20
knows? And it ai like didn’t someone blame it on him being on Ambien? Yeah.
Speaker: 3
55:25
Hunter did. Ai did. That fantastic interview that Hunter just did with, I forget his name. Andrew Callahan or something like that. Yeah. He he referenced now he’s walking it back saying, Ai, you know, I wasn’t meaning that he was on Ambien during the debate. I’m just saying, you know, you know, they had him on Ambien because he sai a travel schedule.
Speaker: 3
55:42
The guy was guy was at Ram David and and resting in Delaware for ten days prior to the debate. Sai, yeah. I don’t know.
Speaker: 2
55:52
Jesus. What a mess. I think they set him up. I think they wanted him out and this is the way to do it. Get him in the debate. Don’t give him his medicine.
Speaker: 3
56:01
Excuse me.
Speaker: 2
56:01
Don’t give him the proper medication to keep him up and peppy, and let him out there all confused. And apparently, he had a cold at the time too, so it was
Speaker: 3
56:09
But if you if if they were gonna do that, wouldn’t you think that they would, I don’t know, have a better plan? A plan b?
Speaker: 2
56:18
No. They didn’t have a plan. And I think the Biden administration, the people didn’t want him to step down. There’s people inside the organization that didn’t want him to step down, particularly, supposedly, Jill. Jill did not want him to step down. But then there’s the cancer thing.
Speaker: 2
56:33
Like, how do they not know that he has cancer? Well, they
Speaker: 3
56:37
have Stage four.
Speaker: 2
56:38
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: 0
56:39
Which is crazy. Like,
Speaker: 3
56:40
ai Alright, man.
Speaker: 2
56:42
Gotcha. Years of developing.
Speaker: 3
56:44
Yeah. Yeah. I I I just think if if there was a if there was a plan, if there was a nefarious plan to have him step down, I think they thought he would get through it. I think they did.
Speaker: 2
56:57
He might have if he performed the way he performed in the first debate.
Speaker: 3
57:03
Yeah. I don’t know. I just it seems to me that that they’re they were caught in the headlights at the point where where you did so poorly. Yeah. So Ai done. Shah. I’m gonna I know. I’m gonna
Speaker: 2
57:13
I’m gonna I’m gonna Oh my god. What
Speaker: 3
57:14
the fuck is going on? No. Vatsal that’s the Ambien starting to kick in.
Speaker: 2
57:19
Have you ever taken that stuff?
Speaker: 3
57:21
No. Mm-mm. No. Have you? Scares the shit
Speaker: 2
57:23
out of me. No.
Speaker: 3
57:24
You never?
Speaker: 2
57:24
Yeah. No. My friend Kevin took it, and he got up in the middle of the night, cooked a meal, went to bed, and, didn’t know he cooked a meal. So he went back and saw the plates in the kitchen, thought someone broke into his house and cooked. Like, yeah, that’s not good.
Speaker: 3
57:40
No. No. And I’ve never taken have you taken Xanax? No. No. Neither have I. No.
Speaker: 2
57:46
That stuff’s scary. That stuff’s real that’s what fucked Jordan Peterson up. That stuff’s really hard to kick. Oh. Yeah. I Benzodiazepine is one of the hardest things to kick. It’s, one of the things that if you get off a cold turkey, it can kill you. Good God. Yeah. Yeah. And they put everybody on it. Yep.
Speaker: 3
58:05
Yeah. That well, that’s what I was
Speaker: 2
58:06
gonna say.
Speaker: 3
58:06
It seems like it’s readily available.
Speaker: 2
58:08
As is Adderall. Yeah. Readily available and fucking super bad for you.
Speaker: 3
58:13
Although, during the, what was it, during the pandemic, you couldn’t get Adderall. I remember that being an issue. Right? I remember writing stories about that.
Speaker: 2
58:20
Make it overseas?
Speaker: 3
58:21
Couldn’t yeah. Exactly. As they do with most of our pharmaceuticals, including what we’ve been talking about.
Speaker: 2
58:25
So And so then people probably bought black market Adderall, which probably has fentanyl in it, which probably contributed to a lot of deaths. Yep.
Speaker: 3
58:32
Yep. I got this voice now. I sound like, Kim Carnes, you know? Who? Betty Davis ai. Kim Carnes. Oh. It’s a very sultry voice I’ve got going on here for a second. I forgot about that song. Yeah. Ai will. I suspect most people have.
Speaker: 3
58:45
Time waits for no one. Yeah. But I think, so yeah. So the the Biden, let’s call it a cover up, that’s again, it’s it’s an example of how people are not more upset about that. Right?
Speaker: 3
59:05
I mean, it it again, with the idea that we’ve got ADHD and everybody’s moving on, but you would imagine that that story if if none other, ai, because it’s not quite as complicated as the as the intel issue or even as the Epstein ai. It’s pretty straightforward. People hiding the condition of the leader of the free world. Sai, anyway, that’s it’s just a thought. I’m surprised that it’s gone away.
Speaker: 2
59:30
Well, then there’s the auto meh as well. That’s another wild thing.
Speaker: 3
59:34
Yeah.
Speaker: 2
59:34
Because sai many of these people that were pardoned were pardoned by auto pin. And so you have to it begs the question, like, how is that negotiated? Like, who was involved in that? Who made those decisions? What was their motivation? Were they compensated? Like
Speaker: 3
59:52
Was and it look. He was he says the former president Ai says he was advised on all of this. He was in on all of these, and and the autopen was primarily used for, you know, you know, sort of rote, pardons, collective arya, whether you’re pardoning, you know, for a an action if, you know, and so you have a number of people included in that that you’re you’re giving pardons to.
Speaker: 3
01:00:16
But, all of this, whether it’s that, whether it’s any of the other things we’ve been talking about, the end of the day, it’s it’s no wonder look. People’s confidence level in politicians and and government institutions and the media is at an all time low. Right? And that’s sai I think that’s a it’s a really dangerous thing, but I don’t see how you walk the dog back on that. Right?
Speaker: 3
01:00:38
I mean, how do you do that? How do you how do you suddenly create more trust in any of those things?
Speaker: 2
01:00:44
Well, I think a lot of people thought that drain the swamp would create trust. Right? The idea of Trump coming into office. We had four terrible years under Biden. Trump’s gonna come in and clean things up. Everything’s gonna make sense now. But everything is just as chaotic, if not more, and just as confusing.
Speaker: 2
01:01:02
I mean, there’s good things that are happening. The closing of the border is clearly a good thing. Yeah. That was Yeah. Fucking scary and dangerous.
Speaker: 3
01:01:10
Yeah. No. From look. From a from a policy perspective, look. They the other day, they had, ai, nine crossings. Right? Nine. Right? Compared to maybe 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 a day in in the previous administration. So that that’s a that’s a huge win, and that’s what they should be talking about.
Speaker: 3
01:01:28
And they should be talking about, the the trade deals. Right? They got a good trade deal with Japan. They got a good trade deal with Indonesia. They got a good trade deal with Vietnam. They, you know, signed one with The UK. They’re getting ready for the European Union.
Speaker: 3
01:01:39
There’s things that they should be talking about. And instead, once again, we’re fucking consumed with what we’ve been discussing. Epstein and the intel manipulation, you know. I mean, you think Ai condition and
Speaker: 2
01:01:53
Obama, treason. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
01:01:55
Yeah. So it’s it’s really it’s it’s disappointing, but, you know, I again, I don’t know how, you know, it it it this is Ai not sure where I’m going with this other than the fact that it’s it’s very depressing if you think about, you know, where our focus is right now. Right? There’s a lot of flashpoints around the world. A lot of real serious ai, right, and and and threats to national security and and concerns.
Speaker: 3
01:02:20
And, you know, the the the White House can’t seem to, you know, get a focus, right, on on things. And but, yeah, the the the border thing is a is a great win. That’s a that’s a very from a national security issue, that’s a terrific win.
Speaker: 2
01:02:36
Yeah. The the fact that it was open for so long is so insane to think that anybody would think that would be a good idea unless you wanted chaos.
Speaker: 3
01:02:46
Yeah. Yeah. That that is always discussed as, like, was it intentional? I don’t see how it’s not intentional. Right? And I mean, that’s because we can see now after six months of the the the second Trump administration that you can fix the problem. Right?
Speaker: 2
01:02:59
Yeah. They could have fixed it. They
Speaker: 3
01:03:01
could have done it, and they and they chose not to. So, you you know, clearly, there would there’s a lot of people in that in the Meh party, in the Democratic party that, you know, are fans of or believe in open borders.
Speaker: 2
01:03:13
But there’s also the moving of the people to swing states. And the fact that it changes the number of congressional seats regardless of whether or not someone’s there legally or illegally. Once they do a sentence on how many people live there, it raises the number of congressional seats that’s available.
Speaker: 0
01:03:29
Yeah. Which is crazy.
Speaker: 3
01:03:30
Well, yeah.
Speaker: 2
01:03:31
All that all that’s so wild that it’s so transparent.
Speaker: 3
01:03:35
Ai Sai mean, look at look, you know, look at Europe. Sai know that’s kind of a, you know, people talk about this, but look at France, look at The UK. I mean, you know, much smaller ai, and you can see what happens when you have massive migration. Right? And it’s and look. Hey.
Speaker: 3
01:03:49
I’m I’m not I’m not against immigration. I’m just saying it should be legal. You should know who’s coming across your border.
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Yeah.
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You should have security. You can’t pay for everybody. Right? Sai mean, so opening up your borders and sai, come on in and we’re gonna provide you with with, you know, whatever meh Donnie in New York is ai. New free grocery stores and free bus and free ai and everything’s gonna be free.
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Then they’re gonna tax businesses.
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You’re gonna That’s what he said. He said, and if you’re wondering how I’m gonna pay for this, I’m gonna tax the rich. Right? You think, like, oh ai god. How you know, Stalin. You know, you’ve been going all the way back to, you know, communist have been talking that way for years feeding the same bullshit lines to gormless sheep where just now, Mamdani is just talking to a new generation of sheep and and, you know, he could well end up as ai.
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Utopian perspectives are really attractive to young people because you see the way these older rich people have been running the world. It’s all corrupt. They don’t care. They’re all capitalists and monsters. All they care about is money. I don’t have any money. I want them to take the money away from the rich people and give it to the poor people and then everything will be fine.
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Yeah.
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It’s like a common thought
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amongst young people. Sai get it. If you’re a young person, you probably look at your parents if your parents have done okay, done well. And you’re thinking, well, that, you know, maybe I’m not gonna be able to do that. Right? I mean, a lot of young folks ai sana Sai can’t buy a house. How am I gonna get a down payment for a house? Right?
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You know, I’m drowning in school loans, which, of course, they took out. But so I get the frustration in a sense. And so I think, you know, Mamdani is doing again what, you know, a lot of slick socialist or ai in the past have done. Right? He’s speaking to the to the masses and he’s using all these platitudes, and there will be an element that that buys into it. Right?
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Because they haven’t seen how shitty it can be.
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Right? Well, it seems like a huge element bought into it. He won the primary.
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He won the primary. Yeah.
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No. I I So what happens now? So Eric Adams is the current mayor. Mhmm. So if this guy wins the primary, is is Adams even is it possible for him to run? Like, what how does it work now?
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Well, I guess I mean, he could run as a he could run as a independent, which maybe is his intention.
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Because he apparently is still running. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He plans on running? Wasn’t Cuomo also planning on running or did he drop out?
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I believe he’s still trying to run
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as well. Yeah. I think he’s
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Sai he lost the ai, and I think people think that people are so horrified that Mondani’s in that they think that maybe it’s possible. And then there’s Curtis Sliwa.
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Yeah. Still wants to
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wear that stupid fucking hat.
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Yeah. God bless Curtis Sliwa. Took that fucking hat off.
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Maybe he’d have a chance.
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Yeah. At some point, he’s gotta stop that. But I think there’s a good chance that that if Eric Adams ran as an independent, maybe that’s the plan. And if Cuomo dropped out, I think if they split the vote, then I think Mamdani wins. But they’re going to have to, and the Democrats, you know, nationwide seem to have some real concern over Mamdani. Right?
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Because that’s not the message they wanna send at a time when they see sort of this cultural shift in in in America where we think, okay, we ai be done with this whole woke issue. Right? And then they see Maumdani out there Doubling down. The bullshit, doubling down. And you got Bernie Sanders back, and then you got Jerry Nadler back in New York back, and then you got, obviously, AOC back in him.
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So they they rightly sai because what do they wanna do? They wanna reclaim the White House. Right? And they wanna reclaim the senate. They wanna they’re not gonna do it right in the backs of of of a a vowed socialist, right, who wants to More than socialist.
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Meh. Essentially, a communist.
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Yeah. Sai and he’s, you know, he’s, you know, again, you know, god bless the ideology of the youth, but, you know, people should, you know, do a little bit more research, into his ideas and how they’ve worked elsewhere. Right? And and maybe they There’s only one way to
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enforce those ideas, and that’s with guns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s it. That’s how that’s how ai That’s how
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you go for
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a grocery
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store. Meh the hell over there.
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Yeah. Government grocery stores and taking money away from the rich people. Like, how are you gonna enforce that? Yeah. You need force.
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Well, they ai to. I mean, look, look at California tried to I think they’ve maybe they’ve even enacted it. They’ve tried, to, figure out a way to tax people who are leaving the state.
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Yeah. That was a thought that they had that I don’t think is constitutional.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. They wanted to I think it was five years.
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So if
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you had left with it, so me, I could get taxed. God. For even though I’ve been out there for five years. But that’s just Yeah. It they’re just so irresponsible with what they’ve done with the tax money. They have some of the highest taxes in the country and it’s chaos. And then they’re they’re also, like, upset that people sana film what’s going on in the Palisades in Malibu.
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Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. I was there not too long ago and Nothing. Nothing’s done. Happening.
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Nothing’s done. It’s still
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a war zone. Right? You drive up towards Malibu and everything’s just gutted. Yeah. Right? So you think and and and it’s because you’ve got thousands and thousands of regulations in place that prevent, you know, the reconstruction. Right? Just trying to get a simple permit for something
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Yeah.
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Takes you forever. And yeah. It’s gonna be years. Yeah. I think it’s gonna be interesting because Gavin Newsom obviously is in sort of a soft campaign right now to, set the table to run for president. I mean, he’s desperate. Sai, you know, he’s he’s he’s like some kid who wants to be the class president.
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See him on Sean Ryan’s podcast?
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I did not. I’m sorry Sai missed that one.
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He’s doing ai. Wow. It was a disaster.
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Well, he’s got his own podcast. Right?
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Allegedly.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so how do you do on Sean’s?
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How Terrible.
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Yeah. Of course. Terrible.
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It was terrible. I mean, there’s only so much he can say. Like, the record speaks for itself. His record is terrible.
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No. That’s and that’s the problem.
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Fleeing the the state, the the disaster that came about because of the fire, the homeless situation is untenable. It’s all madness.
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But look, if you look at the Democrat party and you say, okay. So what does that mean? Right? Because they ai now, they’re flailing about. Right? They’re they’re doing this autopsy of what happened from this last election even though they’re not gonna address the issue of of, you know, Joe Biden and, you know, at what point did we know that he shouldn’t be running.
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They’re gonna leave that off the table. But the purpose of the autopsy is essentially to try to figure out what’s, you know, what’s our next step? Who’s our next leader? And they did a survey not that long ago, and they said who, you know, who’s the who’s the top of the Democrat party?
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And the top three individuals were, AOC, Kamala Harris, and Bernie Sanders. And none of them got more than, like, a 10% of of the the total, on the survey. So when you’ve got those three as your option and you’re trying to figure out how do you how do you appeal more to, you know, a larger mass, they got an issue.
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Because it’s not yeah. I agree. It’s not gonna be Gavin Newsom. It won’t be Pete Buttigieg.
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They’ve got a solution. Jamie, I just texted you something. This is the solution. The solution? Yeah. Here’s the solution.
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It’s coming up.
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I hope
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it’s not Hillary.
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Finally, a Democrat who could shine on Joe Rogan’s shah. Hunter Biden is unrepentant by Helen Lewis. Helen, take your medication.
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Oh my god.
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He did the best ad for crack ever, though.
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Yeah.
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It was a great ad for crack.
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It was not just an ad. It was a it was a cooking show. That fucker that fucker taught American youth how to make ram.
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And Yeah. On
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and it was I was I was astounded as he sat there. Nobody Ai mean, he loves crack more than anything in the world. Right? It
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sounded great.
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He was romantically involved with crack.
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He said it’s safer than alcohol.
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Yes. Yes. Take that to the bank, kids. Holy shit.
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It’s a thing. What the ai? Talk about, like, not learning from what happened during the crack epidemic ruined American cities. Yeah. No. It’s ai Which
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which reportedly was done by the the agency, by the way. Reportedly. Yeah. Ai, conspiracy theories. But, yeah, I I well, excuse me. I’m battling a summer cold apparently.
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It’s probably allergies. There’s so many allergies here in Austin.
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Yeah. God. Yeah. Sai that that interview with ai is it apparently, the family has no control over him. But how is it that they allow him to go and do podcasts or interviews of any sort? Right? They they need to do an intervention and, you know, look, I I I hope he’s clean. I hope he’s not, you know Is
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he in clean? When he was talking about
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it, I
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mean, he said I’m reluctant to explain this, but he was being honest about, like, why it works and what’s so euphoric about it.
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Well, it feeds into the Democrats have decided apparently that they need to be tougher. Right? Because after the last election, and so they would send Tim Walz out there and, you know, Elmer Fudd and and his hunting gear to try to try to appeal to to Middle America. And, so I can see it. You know, you and you see, you know, more Democrats getting out there and and and swearing because that makes them tougher.
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So that interview with Hunter Biden, I can see feeds into this idea that the the Democrat strategists have is we’ve gotta be more mainstream. Right? We’ve just gotta be which again is ai in part why they’re so concerned over Mamdani in, in, New York City.
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Yeah. Well, they’re they were trying for a long time to squash masculinity and frame it all as being toxic. Mhmm. And people rebelled against that in a huge way.
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Eventually. It took a while.
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Well, a lot of young men in particularly went to the right because of that. And a lot of young men that would ordinarily have probably voted Democrat if you were just fucking reasonable, but you turned them into villains for no reason other than just being men.
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Yeah.
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And that was a narrative that people were really sick of. And it’s like the pendulum swings one way and the other way. It always does. It always has. This is how we course correct. We try to figure out our way through this world and people go one way too far, and then they over correct going the other way and then we try to bring it back to the middle and it never really ai goes there.
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Yeah. No. You’re right. It is. And that’s been the problem for quite some time is Yeah. It is. It’s like that pendulum. You have you’re you’re over here and then instead of it ai settling in the center, you’re back over here. And every and that happens every every administration change. Right?
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So you get this knee jerk reaction. And, you know, from a legislative perspective, that’s a real problem. Right? Because you never you really never do get shit done. Right?
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Because you’re bouncing from extreme to extreme.
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There’s also a problem with this four year term thing. It’s ai every four years, we have a new person. Mhmm. Or the same person does it twice. These are the option. Yeah. The only options that you have. So you have this terrible situation where you’re always ai shitting on the other side and there’s no there’s no, like, hey, this is the president now.
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Let’s all work together.
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Yeah. What if you had a a a setup ai, like Meh? Mexico has a presidency where you can you you serve a six year term and that’s it. You’re done. One term, but it’s six years. I don’t know. It’s a
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It’s the same thing.
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Yeah. It’s
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still the same thing. You know, it was ai, we these people fucked it up. We’re gonna do a better job. And then they get in, and it’s the same fucking thing.
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Yeah. Well, and also you get the self interest, obviously. Yeah. See, that’s not rocket science. But if you can be a a senator for forty six years or however long
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Which is nuts.
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Which is nuts.
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And you can make hundreds of millions of dollars somehow or another.
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Right. And that’s another thing. I I always wonder how how do people not, and again, maybe, yeah, some intrepid investigative journalists if there are any left. I mean, who wouldn’t wanna do a story about the the, the the wealth gains by politicians? Just look at the past ten years. Right?
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And say who and and and take them on both sides. Right? So you look at you look at Chuck Schumer and AOC and you look at on the other side, you look at Grassley and you you look at Mitch McConnell, whatever. Right? And you look at those. And and that would make a fascinating series if you just said, how the fuck did you make your money?
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It’s 100 percent both sides too, which is so important because everybody wants to point to Pelosi sana Pelosi made a lot of money for sure. Yeah. But it’s a lot of them. It’s a lot of them.
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Yeah. We do a I don’t I don’t handle any of our finances because I’m not smart enough. But and, we do have a fund that, tracks Pelosi. Right? There’s a Pelosi tracker fund, and it’s done very well. Right? It’s done very well. And I’m always fascinated because I’m thinking, well, of course, it does well because you’re sitting up there on goddamn Capitol Hill.
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You hear in these hearings, you hear about developments. Right? And it doesn’t have to be about a particular company. It could be about our particular dealings with, a a country. Right? Right. And regulatory concerns with that country or it could be about a sector and where we’re going.
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And you can yes. Of course, you can use that information to your benefit unless you’re a moron. But it shouldn’t be legal. Right? Shouldn’t be legal. No. No.
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It’s insider trading. Yeah. Like, they put Martha Stewart away for insider trading.
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Yeah. Yeah. So how about, you know, politicians, but Actually, they put her
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away for lying. Did they? Yeah. They didn’t get her on insider trading. They got her for lying. Oh. Because, you know, during the investigation, she didn’t tell the truth about something. But they didn’t actually I don’t believe she was actually jailed for insider trading.
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It’s always the cover up.
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But it’s all It’s
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always the cover up. Always the
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01:17:15
cover up. It’s all just horseshit when someone like Nancy Pelosi is able to do it legally. If you’re able to make hundreds of millions of dollars legally through some well, your your salary is so low. Yeah. Most people who make and not that it’s low, but most people who make a saloni, it’s a it’s a great saloni.
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But most people who make a $170,000 a year might have a 170,000 in the bank. Yeah. Okay? Yeah. They won’t have 200,000,000.
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Yeah. That’s crazy. And they’ll argue, well, they ai a lot of it from speeches and from books and, nah, I
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don’t think you ai.
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I don’t think you do. Yeah.
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You can track it. You can see how much money should be in the stock market.
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Well, that’s what I’m saying. That would be a fascinating, series if that’s what you did, is if you did asset tracing and and, you know, a financial review of of, you know, modern day politicians. How did you make your goddamn money?
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Also, why are you still doing it? You’re older than Biden. She’s older than Biden. Like Yeah. Chill out.
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I just yeah. I know. But it’s
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Go on a vacation.
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It’ll never happen. People it’s not even about the money. It’s about it’s about the access, the power, the people, you know, who carry your bags and tote you after you, you know. And and then they love that shit. So
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Oh, yeah.
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I get it. I get what the attraction is. I’m just saying that, you know, if if if we had any balls, you know, we would have had enacted term limits quite some time ago. Anyway
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Yeah. Well, and at the very least, they should block insider trade. You I’m sure you’ve seen that time when she was questioned about insider trading.
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Yeah.
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Well, we should be able to participate. Ai not participating lady. You’re making hundreds of millions of dollars and it’s insane.
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And this is not a ai. I agree with you a 100%. It’s not a partisan issue. It’s not
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a partisan issue.
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It’s not everybody gets up on there.
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Yeah. If you look at the trades, if you look at it between the red and the blue, it’s across the board. They’re all doing it. It’s I think it’s like it lures them in. I think once they get into office and even if they have good intentions, they get lured in by a corrupt system and then they play ball.
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Yeah. And
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then they get paid.
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Yeah. Well and then and then you get a lifetime pension Yeah. Ai, again, makes no sense. You know, how about you how about you you you sai, okay. Fine. You go up there on Capitol Hill. You get your pension while you’re up there. Your pay is, you know, maybe similar to, I don’t know, the military. You know?
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Your congressman maybe get a major’s pay. I I have no idea. I’m just making that shit up. But, take the financial incentives and the excitement out of it. Yeah.
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And maybe you get a different group of people who want to pursue that that work. And then they just go the hell back to wherever they came from and work a job.
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But also there’s a problem that the campaigns are so ugly. And we’ve agreed sort of as a society that that’s how we do it. And that these people are gonna attack each other. You know, I remember one of the things during the, but when Biden was running, when Kamala Harris was saying that he was guilty of sexual assault.
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Like, you remember that? Yeah. Yep. Meh. And then afterwards, she gets, interviewed. I think it was by Colbert. She’s ai, it was a debate.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It was a debate. Like, imagine that. It’s a debate. And so you’re willing to say something in a debate that’s not true?
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Well, it’s just policy that that that you can you know, I I I think it’s partly, just a disdain for the American voter, and the belief that you can people will move on. And they do. Maybe that’s, you know, it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. People tend to, you know, forget pretty quickly.
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Well, we’re overwhelmed by information. Yeah. We are constantly, consistently overwhelmed by the news cycle. And it it is almost you have to have, like, some sort of a Mike Bend style recall in your head
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Yeah.
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Where you can keep track of everything because it’s just coming at you so fast sana Doge and Elon and this and that. I have some guy asked me last night, do you think that the Elon Musk and Donald Trump thing was staged? And I go, do you think it’s staged? He’s ai, absolutely. I think it’s all fake. I go Wow.
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Do you think that they made an agreement that Elon would say that you’re on the Epstein client list, and that’s why you won’t release the file. You you think that, ai, Donald and Elon came to that agreement?
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01:21:28
Yeah. Just sitting around over a ai coke thinking. Yeah. That’s
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01:21:31
a guy. They’re all in on it. They’re all in on it.
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01:21:33
Ai, are
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you out of your fucking mind?
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01:21:35
What do you think about, Musk’s, political party?
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01:21:39
First of all, my wife told me you really can’t name it the Meh party. It’s not legal.
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01:21:46
Really? Yeah. Why?
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I don’t know. Yeah. She’s told me I believed her. See if Jamie will
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find out.
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She didn’t follow-up. I didn’t follow-up. We weren’t interested.
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We’re eating dinner.
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Thanks, honey.
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We’re
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eating dinner. She was, you know, you can’t just call your party the America party. I go, really? She goes, no, you can’t. You can’t use the term America for your party, which makes sense.
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Could, but I don’t know how
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long I
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would be. Because I’d be like, fuck you. I’m the America party. Yeah. It’s the whole country.
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You know what I’m saying?
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Like, if you decide you’re the Meh party and I’m against the America party, well, that sounds like I’m against America. I guess you
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01:22:18
but you couldn’t even you you take I’m called the Meh party. I’m gonna trademark that name.
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01:22:22
That was my problem with the Patriot Act. Uh-huh. Like, you can’t call it the Patriot Act, you motherfucker, because then if you go against it, you’re against the Patriots.
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01:22:29
Goddamn right. That’s that’s that’s right. Crazy. The terrorists win. Yeah.
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01:22:33
Is it legal to call your party the America party?
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01:22:36
I’m looking into this. For example, additionally, New York state law has outlawed the use of words like independent, independence, America, and Americans in the names of political parties.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. There you go. There you go. Okay.
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Sai she’s right.
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Yeah.
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So listen Just
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01:22:49
in New York, though.
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Gotta come up with it. Oh, just in New York. That’s what it sounds like. Yeah. So nationally, it’s legal?
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01:22:55
I bet it’s out of South. Yeah. If it’s in New York, I’ll bet it’s
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01:22:58
What does an independent call themself in New York then? If you run as an independent and it says you can’t.
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01:23:02
Well, you can run as an independent. You can’t call your party the independent party. Oh, okay.
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Yeah. It’s all quite sus, isn’t it?
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Suss. Look at that.
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Little sus.
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01:23:10
That’s what the kids call it.
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I mean,
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young kids. Yeah. I know.
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They call
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everything sus. Likewise. But it’s, you
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know, like, what is he gonna do with this party? You’re not gonna meh, you know, how’s that gonna work?
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01:23:20
Yeah. I don’t think this I Ai you know, as much as I don’t, you know, I I think there’s there should be ai. I guess I should say it that way. There should be room for, another party.
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100%. But I don’t think
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there’s enough oxygen to, to to do it.
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01:23:34
Here it is. The name America Party has been used by several different political parties in The United States, most famously as the official name of the Know Nothings. The Know Nothings is my favorite. I would that’s what you should call it. The why doesn’t he call it the X Party? He likes the term X.
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01:23:50
Nativist group ai dubbed the America’s third party that rose to prominence in the years leading up to the US Civil War. The Know Nothings were in the during the Civil War. That’s crazy.
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01:24:03
The name of America Party is an attempt to brand the party as a force of patriotism and unity. That’s what you’re saying. Yeah. Okay. I get yeah.
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Wow. As well as the names of an anti Mormon party in Utah and the supporters of George Wallace. Wow. Jesus Christ.
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01:24:16
Ai he is. He is not a handsome man.
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01:24:18
Boy, he looks evil.
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01:24:19
Yeah, he
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does. Some people just look I’m not voting
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01:24:21
to you and your fucked up eyebrows, bro. Some people
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01:24:24
just look like they are. You know what I mean? George Wallace. Ai meh watching I mean, it was tiny, but I remember still to this ai. I’d I’d watching vatsal when he got shot at that ram that he was at.
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01:24:36
Oh, that is right.
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01:24:37
Put him in the wheelchair. But, yeah. I I don’t know. I I again, I don’t think there’s room for a third party. There should be, but I just don’t see it happening. I I you know, we’re we’re too entrenched in in the way that we do things, and you start splitting the vote. And I think, you know, maybe it’s who knows? Maybe it’ll get more chaos than we’ve currently got.
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Yeah. I mean, one those two together, it’s ai, jeez, I saw that coming. I was like, this is not gonna work out.
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Yeah.
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01:25:07
When when his son was with him in the Oval Office and the son told him to shut up Yeah. Told Trump to shut up.
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The little kid told Trump to shut up, and he
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01:25:17
said, you’re not the president. Oh ai god. What is that?
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01:25:22
It It actually lasted longer than I thought it would.
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01:25:25
Ai, it it destroyed Elon. Yeah. Destroyed his company. Destroyed Tesla. I mean, when and then on top of that, when people started, like, putting swastikas on Teslas and ai on Teslas Fire bomb
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01:25:37
shops and Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Madness. Yeah. Madness. I meh, and then people were probably very reluctant to buy a Tesla because they were worried, like, hey, if I buy this fucking thing and park it somewhere, someone’s gonna key it.
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I know somebody who actually covered up the Tesla, insignia on their car.
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01:25:53
Bro, I
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01:25:54
was worried
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to find someone the other day on the ai, and they had a fucking thing on their car that said, I bought this before Elon went crazy.
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God. Oh, god.
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01:26:04
You know You’re conceding. You’re giving into the mob. Yeah. And it was so the dumbest meh.
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01:26:10
But there was an element also that was ai, oh, you know, they’re they’re it’s legitimate form of protest to, you know, what? To to to blow up a fucking Tesla dealership.
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01:26:19
Ai.
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01:26:19
It does not blow up a charging station.
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01:26:21
It’s certainly not legitimate to destroy people’s private property Yeah. Who are just paying a lease on a car that they probably had for three or four fucking years before any of this shit went down.
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01:26:31
Yeah. Yeah.
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But they It’s nuts.
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But they do it. If someone walks by and keys the car, right, keys the arya Tesla, and you can just you you a, they I don’t know why they all tend to look alike, but they do. And and you just all that they’re just like this this this sense of self righteousness. Like, I’m I deserve to do this because I’m in the right.
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01:26:50
I’m do I’m on the side of good. So therefore, I ai do whatever the fuck I want. Right? So anyway Just mentally ill people. Yeah.
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And there’s a lot of them in this country. And, unfortunately, you can weaponize them.
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01:27:02
Yeah. And then we’ve also played into it. Right? I mean, so it’s, you know, of the US Olympics, by the way. The US Olympic Committee, just, said, you know, males will not be able to participate in female sports. Shocker. Shocking. I had no idea that we had to actually say that out loud, but apparently, we do.
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Or they’re gonna take that gold medal away from that dude who pretended he was a woman and won the boxing.
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01:27:23
Yeah. God, that was bizarre.
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01:27:25
Fuck off, man. So crazy.
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01:27:28
Yeah. It’s ai,
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that’s where this woke thing just hits the wall where people who have daughters and people who just ai like, hey, look, I want you to live your life and be whoever you wanna be. I really do. I don’t I don’t wanna infringe upon your right to express yourself. But at a certain point in time, when you impose this on other people and you fuck up their lives, and Vivek had a great term.
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He was calling it the tyranny of the oppressed. Right. That the oppressed, people who are legitimately oppressed in a lot of ways, then they turn that on everybody else and they they want everyone to concede to their demands. It’s like, okay.
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They would yeah. It’s it’s sai, you know, on the victim, so therefore, I deserve.
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01:28:12
Then therefore we’re sana throw society into a wood chipper.
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01:28:16
Yeah. I agree with you. I I I sana yeah. Again, I I I’m busy enough that I don’t have to spend a lot of time worrying about what other people are doing. At the same time, I don’t need to play saloni.
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01:28:26
Right? Exactly.
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01:28:27
With with your your imaginings. And so I think that’s where it started to once it started to impact other people, you know, like a a kid who loses a race because now suddenly she’s racing against a dude. Yeah. Exactly.
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01:28:40
900 medals lost during this time. Really? Yes. 900 medals that would have gone to biological females that were won by biological males because of this crazy ideology over the last few years.
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01:28:55
Yeah.
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And so think about how many girls lost out on scholarships, thinks about how many girls just, like, felt fucked over by the system, where you’ve got a guy in the fucking locker room with his dick hanging out, and you’re supposed to pretend that that’s a woman.
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01:29:08
Yeah. It’s crazy. Yeah. Is it and then, god forbid, you you go against the idea and and, you know, the a handful of people did and, you know, spent a lot of time getting pilloried for it. But Riley Gaines. Riley Gaines. Yeah. Yeah. Good example. Yeah.
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You see people attacking her all the time online. It’s just wild.
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I think it’s dying down a little bit. I think we hit that top, and then I think it’s coming back down to to where people are saying enough is is is enough. Again, with the idea that, look, you you wanna do that, you wanna pretend that you can, you know, you wanna believe that a dude can have a a baby?
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01:29:39
Fine. You do that. Ai don’t need to to pretend with you. I don’t I’m not gonna infringe on your thinking that that’s the case, you know, and and and, yes, they you you need some protections in place for people. Of course, you do. Right? But at a certain point, I I kinda lost track. It used to be that you had you had gay dudes and you had lesbians.
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01:29:58
Right? That was that was kinda it. Right? You had guys who
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like guys
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01:30:02
and you had girls who like girls and you’re fine. You know? We made
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progress in that regard where, you know, people that used to have to hide that, they don’t have to hide that anymore. It’s pretty much accepted by society for the most part. Yeah. And then they’re trying the same thing with this and it’s ai, no, this is a different thing. And a lot of the gays, they don’t want this in their group. They’re ai, no, this is a different thing. This is this is not your sexual orientation.
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You’re attracted to men. This is an identity thing.
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01:30:30
This is
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a totally different thing that you’re dealing with. And then you also have to factor in, as uncomfortable as this is for people, you have to factor in perverts Yeah. Who all of a sudden can just say I’m a woman and wear a dress, and now they can enter into women’s spaces and you can’t stop them.
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01:30:47
And that’s that’s real, man. That’s real. That’s not discounting actual trans people or discounting gay people or lesbians. It’s not. You but you’re opening the door for fucking sexual predators.
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01:31:00
Yeah.
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People who are out of their fucking minds, man.
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01:31:03
And you also had I did one of the things I never quite figured out was you also have the you have the parent who’s ai they’ve got a a three year old son who says, I’d like to play with adults. And then suddenly the mother’s the enabler. Right?
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01:31:14
Ai don’t sana get them on hormone blockers.
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01:31:16
Yeah. And and and you’re thinking ai, how about you just let the kid be a kid, you know, maybe tomorrow they wanna play football. Maybe the next day they wanna do interpretive dance. Maybe the following day they wanna play baseball. Let the fucking kids grow up in a certain way without trying to impose Exactly. You know, this this this bizarreness on them.
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01:31:33
So They do it because they want that kid to be whatever. Yeah. Whatever it is. Well, they want them to be queer. They want them to be trans. For them, it makes them look more progressive.
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01:31:43
Mhmm.
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01:31:43
And they they have their kid ai a fucking flag they plant in their lawn and it’s gross. Yeah. But there’s a lot of these pathological monsters that happen to be parents. They’re just nuts.
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01:31:55
Yeah. Everybody anybody gets a license to be a parent. It’s like boat drivers. And the other day, we’re out on the lake in the boat and it was close to fourth of Ai, and I realized, really, anybody anybody can Yeah.
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01:32:06
Drive out. Have to have a driver’s license.
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01:32:08
No. You don’t you don’t have to do a ai. I mean, you should, and we’ve got, you know, sheriffs out there trying to stop people from They’re drinking.
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01:32:13
People drinking. Boating.
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01:32:14
But yeah.
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01:32:15
But they do it. Yeah. They do it all the time. It speak me out.
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01:32:18
Yeah. It’s it’s bizarre because the same people would not, like, say I’m gonna I’m gonna, you know, shotgun 12 course and then, drive my car. But goddamn it, they’ll be happy to get behind that boat Yeah. And then take off and you think. And so we’ve got, you know, our, our our boys have started driving the boat on their own, taking their friends out and that sort of thing.
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01:32:37
And it’s, you know, it’s actually more nerve wracking when they head out on the lake Oh, yeah. Than it is when they get in their car and drive somewhere.
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01:32:45
Right? Mhmm.
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01:32:45
Because of just, like, the craziness that goes on. Sai, yeah, I watched, I watched, one of our boys head off in a boat. He had, ai, they were, like, three dudes and seven girls on there. It was his dream. Right? This is he was heading off to the lake. They sana gonna go cliff jumping and some surfing and everything. And I watched him go and I said, God bless you, but I was inside.
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I was I was so goddamn nervous. Of course. So, anyway, they did they
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did fine. People think they’re invulnerable when they’re young too, which is also a problem. You don’t think anything’s gonna happen because nothing’s happened yet.
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01:33:16
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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You haven’t had enough, like, severe injuries where you go, oh, well, this I’m vulnerable as shit. This is dangerous. Like, people can die.
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01:33:25
Yeah. You
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01:33:26
need to see it.
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01:33:27
They go bridge jumping, you know, they ai up to the top of
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01:33:29
a bryden,
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01:33:30
jump off and it’s just like, oh meh god.
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01:33:32
I know a girl did that and she’s fucked for the rest of her life. Her back was ruined. Yeah. She fell funny and hit her ass in the water and it destroyed her spine.
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01:33:40
Yeah. It’s like I mean, you get you get ai up up there and it’s it’s
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01:33:44
it’s it’s ai concrete.
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01:33:45
Yeah. Exactly. And then and if you if you over rotate or you under rotate or whatever, but, yeah, Ai you know, it’s just a balance. Right? Because with with the with the boys in in particular, you don’t wanna take away that risk taking element. Right? You want them to take risk. Right?
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01:34:00
But so there’s a there’s a a fine line of saying, no. Don’t do that. That’s dangerous. Whether they’re doing that or they’re they’re going to the dirt track or whatever they’re doing. And you think, okay, how do you balance that out?
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01:34:11
Be smart, you know, but I don’t wanna I don’t wanna stop you from taking risks, if that makes sense.
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01:34:16
No. It does make sense. Listen, you’re talking to someone who spent the majority of my teenage years fighting,
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01:34:21
Mhmm.
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01:34:22
You know, with no health insurance. So, like, I’m not I’m not I’m talking from a position of not being one of the wisest people. Yeah. But I was never into, like, jumping off of things.
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01:34:34
Yeah.
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01:34:34
And I didn’t wanna ski. I didn’t wanna do any of that because I knew how vulnerable I was.
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01:34:38
Yeah.
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01:34:39
Which is crazy. Which
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01:34:41
is crazy because you’re you’re you’re risking getting clocked every every time you go.
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01:34:45
Yeah. It’s a fight. It’s kinda like clocked in the head all the time in the gym. Well, like, constantly getting kicked and punched and God. Yeah. But I realized, like, hey, I don’t wanna ski. I could ruin my knees. Yeah. That’s right.
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01:34:58
Oh, I might I I might fracture a rib there. I don’t wanna do that.
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01:35:01
I just wanted to take as few risks outside of this one risky thing as possible. And I think a lot of kids don’t have enough, like, controlled risks. So then they start wanting to jump dirt bikes and you wind up breaking every fucking bone in your body.
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01:35:17
Yeah. Our youngest boy, meh, happy birthday, Muggsy. But he, went over his, his bike, you know, wearing a helmet, very good helmet, still banged his head. Ai? This was just a couple days ago. Sai I’m on the road, and I’m like, okay. Keep him up. Don’t, you know Yeah. Make sure he’s content.
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01:35:34
Make sure he’s he’s good. And, so anyway, it it yeah. But, again, I sai I don’t sana then when I talk to him, I don’t wanna say, well, you shouldn’t have done that. You know? You sana say, okay.
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01:35:43
Ai you’re you’re good? No. I don’t know. Do you know what you did wrong? And he’s like, yeah. You know, I didn’t get the back wheel on the yeah.
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01:35:50
He’s like,
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01:35:50
okay. But anyway, that’s that’s parenting.
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01:35:54
Yeah. It’s, you know, you don’t sana completely shelter your ai, but you don’t want them to expose to unnecessary risks, but it’s ai this is like there’s this balance that you have to achieve. It’s really hard. It’s because you don’t want a sheltered child that’s scared to take any risks at all.
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01:36:10
Yeah. Yeah. We’re sending it. The oldest one is off to university, in a couple of weeks Wow. Going down to, Ole Miss. And, and, yeah, you’re right. I mean, that’s a, you know, that’s a big it’s a big step. Right? So he’s going down. He’s been down there a couple of times already.
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01:36:26
He’s met some some of the folks down there. He’s had a good time. You know, some of the guys taking him out to the bars and and, you know, and and so you you at a certain point, you lose control of them. Right? Yeah. And so all you can do, up to a certain age is just hope you’ve set the compass right.
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01:36:42
Yeah. You have to set the compass ai. And at
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01:36:43
a certain point in time, you have to realize that’s an individual human being that you don’t have control over anymore. And one of the worst things that parents do is they try to control their kids when they’re in their thirties and forties. Like, they they still treat them like their children. Like, you’re just going to have a resentful person.
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01:36:59
Like, they don’t want you to be the boss of them when they’re 30 fucking years old, you know?
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01:37:04
Yeah. Or or honestly, twenties. Yeah. They just, you know, they’d I think they still they wanna know that there’s a place they can go or vatsal someone they can talk to Yes. Or advice they can get. Yes. But, yeah, at a certain point, you just and I think, you know, who knows what what that point is?
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01:37:19
Ai mean, it’s it it it changes. I think kids seem to be growing up a lot quicker now. Well,
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01:37:24
it’s because of the Internet. Right? They have so much information comes their way and
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01:37:29
yeah. It’s Yeah. Good.
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01:37:30
It’s and then we’re, you know, we’re at the precipice of artificial general super intelligence, which is gonna bust out of its cage if it hasn’t already. I mean, there’s real good arguments that it’s already done it, and we’re not aware of it yet because it hasn’t assumed control of things.
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01:37:48
It hasn’t acted in a way. It’s not it doesn’t have a physical form where it can move around yet.
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01:37:53
Right. We’re we’re definitely moving in that direction. I think we’re probably already there. We’re unaware of it, but I think people are at the cutting edge. I think, but, yeah, we went ram, a a Rogan show that was done by AI to, now you can’t swing a dead cat on the Internet without hitting Rogan babies.
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01:38:10
Right?
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01:38:10
Oh, those babies are hilarious.
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01:38:12
Ai my god. The big one. Is the best one. Yeah. Yeah. Theo Vaughn’s a great baby.
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01:38:16
I will saloni anytime, and I don’t I don’t spend a lot of time digging through things like ai, but anytime I see, the baby episodes with you and Theo, I’m like, yeah, I gotta watch this son of a bitch. Then I send it to the boys.
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01:38:27
Yeah. Oh,
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01:38:28
god. And they but they don’t there’s no authorization. You have no control.
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01:38:33
Right. No. There’s no it’s just the ai west right now, and it’s happening so fast. You know, we had, who was this showing us the Skywalker thing? Was it Joe DeRosa?
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01:38:48
Yeah.
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01:38:48
Yeah. So my friend Joe DeRosa was showing us this, they’re doing Star Wars Ai, like fan created AI scenes Mhmm. Of stuff that they wanted to happen. Meh. And it looks better than the actual Star Wars.
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01:39:03
Yeah.
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01:39:04
And it’s young Luke Skywalker. It’s Mark Hamill from, like, Star Wars one. Like that, like, look at this. Watch this. Look how incredible this is. And look at this. That’s AI. God. I mean, this is nuts, man. I mean, this is like better quality than the original Star Wars vatsal. And it’s his voice. It’s his face.
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01:39:25
It’s all perfectly synced. It looks incredible. Like, look at this.
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01:39:29
Yeah. That’s we, my company does some work for, the entertainment industry for the movie movie business. And I was out there talking to one of the studios, so they’ll remain nameless, not that long ago. And this is a massive issue for them. Look. They’re they’re seeing full scripts out there, right, written by AI for some of their franchise, you know, movies and characters.
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01:39:54
And they’re seeing, you know, they’re they’re animators, they’re ai. All these people are are, you know, obviously worried, and they’re convinced that they’re, you know, about to be made, useless.
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01:40:05
And they’re right.
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01:40:06
And they’re right. Yeah. They’re right. Yeah. Because what they’re they’re ai, they’re just what you’re looking at here. They’re finding, you know, but there’s there’s places where they’re dumping full length scripts and and and, you know, pieces of movies out there and and it’s, you know, it it it’s gonna upend meh like whatever Netflix and the others did with the with the television market.
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01:40:25
It’s gonna upend the whole industry. It’s gonna be
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01:40:27
100%. There’s no way around it at this point. If someone can make something like this, the Skywalker stories thing, I mean, this is just a person doing this with an AI video generator. Again, you just do it through prompts. I mean Yeah.
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01:40:42
Or you say to yourself, okay, I wanna write a a a scripted TV series. What am I gonna write about? You spend twenty minutes feeding some ideas into whatever. I forget what the the the aside from chat g p t, there’s a there’s a bunch of them out there. And, it will feed back to you in short order the entire show map. Right? It’ll give you all the characters. It’ll give you a character map.
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01:41:09
It’ll give you a pitch lines. It’ll give you, episode plots. It’s it’s remarkable. And it means all those people who work in Hollywood writing, right, or wherever they’re based, writing shows or coming up with with, pilots and they’re they’re superfluous to the whole business now.
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01:41:26
Yeah. It’s and not just that, it’s also music. Yeah. You know, Drake had a song that was a hit Drake song that came out that wasn’t him at all. It was all done by AI. And they could just kinda guess what people ai. And they could just formulate what the big hits were, what’s what’s what’s similar, what’s common, what are the phrases, what are people what’s catchy?
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01:41:48
What’s what yeah. Exactly. The give me the last six songs, the commonalities that made them successful.
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01:41:54
Exactly. Fine.
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01:41:55
Give me the give me that. Is is, is Drake still beefing with Kendrick Lamar, or is that over? I can’t keep track.
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01:42:01
He had to back off of that.
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01:42:03
Okay. Alright. Yeah. I don’t know. That’s the sort of question that you need to be asking.
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01:42:06
It’s different people have different perspectives. Some people think Drake won, some people think Kendrick won. I don’t really give a fuck quite honestly. Ai I’m not a fan of those ai of beefs,
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01:42:17
but they
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01:42:18
do make some good songs sometimes. Beef does, you know, like Ether with Nas. That was a good fucking song. There’s
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01:42:25
it’s just I was about to nod like I knew what the
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01:42:27
hell you were talking about.
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01:42:28
You don’t
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01:42:30
know that song?
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01:42:31
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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01:42:31
Feed it
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01:42:31
with Nas. Yeah. Yeah. You don’t know that song.
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01:42:32
Young gravy. A little gravy.
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There’s a thing that’s gonna happen within our lifetime where all creativity is going to be speak. Because you’re you’re not gonna be able to know unless someone’s doing something off the cuff, like live in front of you. Mhmm. You’re not gonna be able to know whether or not something’s AI generated anymore. Like, they have AI generated stand up comedy now that’s it’s not great, but it’s okay.
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You know, where you have a guy on stage, the audience is fake, they’re laughing, what he’s saying is comedic, the timing is pretty similar to comedy. God. It’s nuts, man. And it’s this is, by the way, impossible three years ago. Probably impossible two years ago. Probably impossible a year ago. Now, ubiquitous. It’s everywhere.
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Sai, like, where does this go and what does five years from now look like? We’re just guessing.
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Well, in terms of driving narratives or telling stories or or getting people to think a certain way, I mean, think about how how simple that is now from a, a hostile element. Right? Like, if I’m working Russian propaganda for the FSB, how easy is it now for me to create a clip, of of whatever? Let’s take a hot topic. Right?
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And suddenly, you you’ve created a clip where, Trump is talking about, you know, being in the Epstein files or, you know, somebody around Biden’s circle is talking about how they covered up his ai. People will see that. They’ll release it. Right? People will see it. They’re not gonna necessarily question whether it’s because that’s not how people work. Right?
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They Right.
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They see shit on the Internet and they go, oh, yeah. I’m gonna send that to my buddy. And, yeah, you got some people who who might be more cynical than others, but for the most part, people just eat that shit up. And so
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I Which is also Yeah. Shows you the incompetence of the government that they released that video from the cell that’s got two minutes and fifty three seconds removed. Like, because these aren’t the best people in the world that are doing that.
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No. No. And that’s sai that I mean, there’s yeah. The you could argue that the on the hostile ai, on the on the the, whatever you sana call them, the hackers or or people on the cutting edge of doing things and using this technology for nefarious purposes, They they, you ai, I’m not saying the government doesn’t have good quality people doing it, but you tend to have, you know, cutting edge folks on the on the, on the hostile team.
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Yeah. They’re not gonna be working for the state department.
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No. They’re No. They’re No.
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They’re sana make money otherwise.
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Yeah.
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I gotta pee real bad. Let’s just take a little break
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Oh, my bad.
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And we’ll come back. Okay. Be right back, folks. I didn’t see a shit
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about it.
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Maybe it’s a joke. But did you see that I sana you the Lockheed Martin thing. Right? Yeah. I also sent you the thing that I was looking for earlier, which is, I think he I believe he’s a senator that’s reading off the most ridiculous tweets from the the CEO former CEO of NPR.
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Oh, God.
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Yeah. Which senator is that? Do you know?
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I don’t know. Hold on. I can find out.
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Eric Schmidt?
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Yes.
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From Missouri?
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That’s who it is. Okay. Yeah. Senator from Missouri.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Watch this. This
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is Yeah.
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This is fun. This is just a fun one.
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Ai thought it’d be appropriate to maybe read some of the craziest tweets from Katherine Maher, who is the CEO. Put my glasses on here. I’m so done with late stage capitalism. America is a dividend to white supremacy. I do wish Hillary wouldn’t use the language of boy and girl.
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It’s a racing language for non binary people. Lots of jokes about leaving The US, and I get it. But as someone with cis white mobility
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Meh, god.
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I’m thinking I’m staying and investing in ridding ourselves of the specter of tyranny. Never underestimate the ability of white people to center ourselves. White silence is complicity. I’m white, so my hair doesn’t automatically carry with it the freight of my race, work, and everyone else encoded assumptions.
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I’m grateful to those who have pointed out my phrasing. It could be understood as trans erasure. Horses inspire all. Horses inspire all and foster a sense of identity. More kids should have access to these incredible animals.
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But most
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horse spaces
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are white spaces. Horse spaces are white spaces. Oh my It keeps going.
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I love the music. The music is good. I they whoever came up with that soundtrack is good. God. Christ. Yeah. Yeah.
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So the the thing that I sent you, the Lockheed Martin thing, is people are claiming it’s again a lot of horseshit. Who fucking knows? That Lockheed Martin created that Tic Tac and that there’s been three different versions of it. I sent you that. Right?
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Who are the people claiming?
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Yeah. Meh. Yeah. Yeah. Sai the the the ai is this is what I wanted to ask you about. Sai this is a congressman who says this. Congressman Eric Burleson dropped the bombshell evidence that Lockheed Martin has developed three generations of Tic Tac UFO technology. Is that real though? Did he say that?
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Or is this just a fucking tweet?
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Let’s Well, is right there. It’s I had two people come to ai.
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I understand that, but is this did he actually say that or is that just a quote on Twitter?
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He I believe he said that. I saw other people say it too.
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Oh, okay. So he says Ai had two people coming to me that say that the Tic Tac is Lockheed Martin creation. The latest person come, came to meh, says he has video of the first, second, and third iteration of the Tic Tac, Burleson revealed. This isn’t speculation. This is a congressman with direct access to classified information. The implications are staggering.
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Lockheed Martin allegedly discovered a revolutionary new propulsion system decade, that and has been secretly developing it for decades. According to Burrowson’s source, they used it in the first iteration, which was the Tic Tac. They have an intermediary one that they are that they are more advanced with.
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And then now, they’re putting it inside what looks like conventional sai that it’s not obvious. Okay. What do you
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think about? Yeah. I’m gonna have to call bullshit on all that. Look, there’s some it’s interesting. If you scroll back down, there’s an interesting, you know, when you start to there you go. Dissecting this. He says I’ve had two people come to me that say that Tic Tacs are Lockheed Martin creation. Now he doesn’t say who those two people are.
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I’ve had two people come to me that said they had sex with Bigfoot.
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Yeah. That’s why I I did. But you’ve got then it sai, this isn’t speculation. This is a congressman with direct access to classified information, which is the implication that ai the people that came to him with this have access to classified information, which is an you know, there’s no connection there.
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So ai taking a a data point and another data point and they’re drawing a line between the two of them
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Right.
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Making it. And saying, yes. He’s getting this from classifying it. Yeah. Exactly. And so, you know, and also the next part has been secretly developing it for decades. I’m here to tell you that if Lockheed Martin was developing something for decades, a new form of propulsion, Ai I’m maybe I’m just a cynical son of a bitch, but I I don’t think they’d be keeping it secret for all this time.
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I don’t think it would have been able to be kept secret because somebody would have opened their yap or the Chinese would have gotten their hands on it, in in in their economic, and and intel espionage efforts. So I don’t know. This strikes me as and then I’ve got video of it. Okay. Well, how about you show us the goddamn video?
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But it’s
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always the same thing.
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It’s always the same thing. It’s always ai, I’ve seen video. Well, fucking show me, bitch.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s And then here’s the problem. The more time they wait, the more it’s Luke Skywalker shit.
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Like, you’re
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gonna show me something. How the hell do I know what’s real anymore? We’re six months away from never knowing.
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Right. Right. That that is exactly right. And that’s the problem. And there look. We’ve I think we’ve talked about this before. There are companies out there, private companies that are working, trying to figure out how do you get ahead of the curve of deep fakes, right, in AI generated material.
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Mhmm. And it is really difficult. Right? It is it’s and and it’s it’s lagging that that that defensive capabilities lagging behind, right, the offensive potential for AI generated material. So, you know, again, I agree with it. Someone’s gonna show this and or it’s gonna be grainy, blurry, and then go, like, sai. See. There it is. Right?
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Ai, I had a guy recently come to me with a bunch of videos that he needed me to look at, and every one of them was fucking blurry. And I’m, like, I’m not interested in this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. This doesn’t mean anything to me.
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Every ai, you you you know, you got another hearing up on Capitol Hill, it’s always the sai. I, you know, I I can’t talk about it. I’ve seen this shit, but it’s in a skiff, and I can’t you know, this very sensitive and, you know, kinda goes back to, you know, people getting in front of the camera and saying, I’ve seen evidence, but I can’t tell you about it.
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You’re just gonna have to trust me. So I Ai don’t I don’t know. I’m not I’m not a I’m not a buyer necessarily. If the congressman wants to make a point of this, then he needs to be more clear on this. Right?
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Right. And when people say things like that and then nothing comes of it, it makes you more and more inclined to believe it’s all bullshit.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Whereas well, that’s where I am. So I’m ai, I I think the possibility of alien life, of course. Mhmm. Yeah. Of course. There’s so many planets Absolutely. Sai many stars and this the ai that we’re alone seems crazy. That seems more unlikely. But I don’t know what’s real when people describe things and talk about things and things are moving underwater at 500 knots. Okay. Show me.
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Yeah.
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Show me. Ai, I I I can’t anymore. I can’t respond. I can’t get excited.
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No. I I I agree. You know, in short, meh, everybody’s chasing just like they’re chasing, you know, a better battery, everybody’s chasing a new form of propulsion. Right? I mean, that’s a Yeah. That’s a leading part of what what governments are spending their money on if they have the resources to do it.
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So, yeah, there’s a national security issue there, and you would think that the congressman then would say, oh, okay. Maybe if you’re telling me this, I’m not gonna go out in public and say it. Right? Maybe maybe if we’re talking about this, maybe I shouldn’t be talking about what Lockheed Martin is doing and obviously working hard if it’s correct to keep it secret because that’s a national security issue.
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So what the hell is he doing here? Ai I don’t know. It just it all sounds, you know, ai, it’s, you know, sack of bullshit.
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Well, it’s also ai the problem is a lot of these politicians, it’s kind of a form of entertainment in a lot of a way. Mhmm. Because they’re trying to get attention. It’s like they’re almost like reality stars. Right? They’re trying to do something outrageous to get attention Shah. And that’ll help them get elected.
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It’ll get the constituents on their ai, and they’re I’m gonna be the guy that releases all this information. Oh, let’s vote for Bob.
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I’m the UFO congressman.
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Yeah. But it’s ai, shah you you’re not producing anything. Show me. Tell me. No.
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Or shut the fuck up.
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Shut the fuck up. Yeah. I I I agree. And it does Ai you know, Ai I’m I’m approached maybe once a month about doing a new series, you know, focused on UFOs. And my point is always the sai, which is, like, what shah are we gonna talk about? Right. What are you gonna show that’s gonna be something new that maybe people learn something about?
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Right.
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And and it’s all it’s it’s always the same. Ai, I’m not saying again, I agree with him. There’s definitely stuff out there. Right? We’ve explored, you know, ai, a drop of water in a glass of the universe. Right? So there’s stuff out there. I’ve just Ai I approach it all from a a skeptical point of view.
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So Well,
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I think you have to because there’s also, unfortunately, a market in talking about these things. And there’s a lot of grifters out there that have made a career out of telling you they know. Yeah. I have the information. It’s been brought to meh, and I’m going to release it. And it’s ai Lucy and Charlie Brown with that goddamn football. Charlie never gets to kick that football.
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Like, this is the time. This is it. He never has, has he? Never has. Never has.
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Every time he goes to kick that football, that bitch just pulls it away from ram and he goes flying up in the air.
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Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. He maybe he needed to identify as ram, then she give him a break. I don’t know where I came up with that one. Ai, I’m gonna get I’m gonna get lambasted for that.
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Come for you.
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They’re gonna come for me.
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You know? You reached on that one.
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Yeah. I did.
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It’s just like I I want there to be some information that’s real and I think there there are, like, Commander David Fravor’s depictions and his descriptions of what happened and there’s other fighter pilots who arya involved. They have video evidence. Yep. That’s compelling. Yeah. What is that? What does it mean? What is it doing?
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How is something able to go from 50,000 feet above sea level to zero so quickly? Like, what is that?
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Yeah. No. I agree. That’s and we’ve talked about that. That’s that’s one of the few things that I think is is legit ai out there and needs and needs further investigation. Again, you have to pick and choose. Is there a reason to have ai identification program in the Pentagon? Of course, goddamn there is. It’s a national security issue.
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Figure out what the hell is flying around up there. Right?
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01:54:56
Right. If it’s real.
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If it’s real and did the Chinese come up with a new form of propulsion. Right? And if they did, they undoubtedly stole it from Lockheed Martin. There was just a because there’s never you can never do one of these episodes without me kicking the Chinese Communist Party in the ass, but, they just finished the sentencing for a, an American Chinese citizen.
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This is a fascinating case. Oh, no. Speak. People always roll their eyes when I talk about Chinese espionage, but I so I always love to highlight, you know, any Oh, they shouldn’t roll their eyes. They shouldn’t,
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but they do so meh. You wanna talk about evidence? Yeah. There’s so that’s not UFOs, bro.
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01:55:35
Yeah. No. Oh, no. It’s true. So this guy, Chen Guang Gong is his name. He’s, like, 60 years old, has been, sentenced ai I think he’s awaiting sentencing. He’s out free, believe it or not. He’s free on bail right now. And so he, went to work in ’23. Sai this is stuff has been sealed for quite some time, but he went to work in ’23 for some California based, company that was contracted with the Pentagon.
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And he was only there for a month. And during the course of that month that he was there, he downloaded some 3,600 files or so on the technology that this company develops on behalf of the Pentagon, related to sensors. Sensors that are very sensitive information that used to detect, nuclear missile launches, used to detect, and track, hypersonic and ballistic missiles, used to for fighter jets to, track incoming, missiles, heat seeking missiles.
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So it’s very, you know, classified material. He downloaded during the course of his, you know, four weeks there, downloaded all these files onto his personal storage ai. And, they couldn’t find the all the hard drives that he had taken with all this information. They’ve gone missing somehow.
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01:56:57
So as it turns out, the amazing part about this story is, he accepted a job during the course of his brief period of time with this California company working on the sensors. He accept with a a competitor. Right? So they were gonna hire him. But ever since, like, 2014 when he’s been working for US companies, he’s apparently, nobody gives a shit. Nobody’s doing any due diligence. Nobody’s doing any background investigations.
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01:57:26
From 2014 on, he’s been applying to the Chinese, Communist Party for what they call talent programs. The Ai government puts out these these, proposals. You know, hey. Send us send us, you know, your information. If you’re working on, you know, information of interest, they call them, talent ram, and they’ll provide funding to people who get their applications accepted.
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Well, of course, what the Chinese Communist Party is doing is they’re fishing for people with access. Right? And then, you know, you’ll put in a proposal saying, I’m working on the following. I think it could be really interesting. And this guy did that.
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01:57:58
He took several trips to China. He ai for funding for these talent programs from the which is the essentially, the Chinese Communist Party. He stated in emails that he’s you know, he thinks it could be really, really beneficial to the Chinese military, some of the work that he’s doing.
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And so from 2014 on, he’s been doing this and people are still hiring the guy. And This is crazy. Yeah. It’s it’s incredible. So now he’s out on almost $2,000,000 bail.
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I don’t know how they’re allowing him to roam around free, but the it it’s just another example, I ai, is what I’m saying of, you know, what happens out there and why people need to be aware ai companies that are engaged in anything almost because they’re the Chinese party is interested in everything.
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But you you see this and you think, okay, you know, I get it. The guy was stealing information. But then you look and you go, how the fuck did he keep on doing this all these years? How did he how was he you know, he go from a company and get hired by another company and they were obviously excited by his expertise, but nobody bothered to to dig into it.
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01:58:58
Right? And that’s always how, you know, businesses for the most part get fucked is they they they don’t have a proactive mindset. Right? They’re not they’re not thinking about that when they’re hiring somebody. They’re not thinking, oh, I’ll bet, you know, there’s a hostile state sponsored entity out there.
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01:59:13
They’d like to steal our information.
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01:59:15
Well, sai isn’t that also part of the problem with having these administrations that are only office for four years? So, like, they have all their problems that they have to deal with. They get in. They’re basically starting the job anew, and then you’ve got these companies out there that are hiring Chinese nationals and you don’t even know it.
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01:59:34
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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You don’t you don’t even know where there’s no way you could pay attention to all of it. And the people that are running the companies, all they wanna do is get that company off the ground, start making a lot of money. Yeah.
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01:59:43
Get a government contract. Yeah. Now, you know, theoretically, they’re supposed to be you know, they’re supposed to be going through a variety of security processes, about, you know, the dissemination of information, who’s got access to it, and all these things. But clearly, it doesn’t it it’s not it’s not working all that well. Anyway, so that’s that’s the thing.
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02:00:00
And then apparently, the news just broke that that, there was a breach, and, I think it was Microsoft’s SharePoint, software that attacked the Department of Energy, and it was Chinese hackers. Again, this is just the past, you know, twelve hours or sai. And they were going after, among other organizations and agencies, you know, the, group that’s responsible for maintaining our nuclear stockpile, right, which just sits inside the Department of Energy.
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02:00:32
So it’s the National Nuclear Security Administration, something like that. Sai, yeah, it’s I I guess, I always like to point out that it’s a hostile world out there. And going back to your point, you need to, you know, you need to have organizations that are out there trying to, you know, secure, you know, the the the national security interests of America.
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02:00:53
And sai, yeah, that sounds like I’m
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standing here. The idea that you don’t is crazy.
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02:00:57
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:00:58
That’s so naive.
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02:00:59
Well, it’s the idea that everybody if we just would all get along. Right? Yeah. It’s all gonna work out fine. And, you know, the the world’s really messy. It’s ugly. I mean, we we can see that in whether you’re talking about the Middle East right now, which is a mess. You’re looking at the Ukraine Russia conflict.
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02:01:15
You know, there’s there’s just there’s just a lot of shit that happens out there. And so you do need these organizations. Now, again, you know, we talked about this. You need them you need them to be as transparent as they can be and still be operationally efficient. Right? But yeah. Yeah. Middle East, that’s a fucked up situation.
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02:01:35
Yeah. Yeah. What so Yeah. What do we know about how much damage was done by those bunker buster bombs? Ai. I saw some video and, again, I don’t know what’s real. But it looked Yeah. Insane where they were reviewing the damage and they were kind of climbing into this giant canyon that was created by these bunker busters.
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02:01:57
Yeah. That’s a it’s a really interesting point. And I think, you know, we talked about, earlier about how you can get out over your skis. Tulsi Gabbard probably did it and Pam Bondi about the Epstein files and everything. And I think I think, the Trump administration got out, you know, talking about, it completely obliterated all three ai, you know, Ai and Natanz and Fordo.
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02:02:18
And you know what? Wait for the battle damage assessments to come in with credible intelligence. Right? Just say we’ve done this. We’re assessing. How about that? Right?
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02:02:30
Just keep it like that. Prevent yourself from having to then walk the dog back. Right? So so they didn’t. They came out and said we’ve completely obliterated these sites.
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02:02:39
What appears to be now coming from some of these assessments, sai least the early assessments, is that they did significant damage to one of the sites, Fordham. And then the other two sites, they did some damage, but that’s where it’s questionable. And these are coming from Israeli and and US intelligence.
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02:02:57
Sana, honestly, when it comes to Iran, sometimes we rely very heavily on what the Israelis have because their their intel tends to be a little bit better. I mean, they’re it’s their existential threat, so they’ve spent decades developing sources. Right? And so I think did we destroy all three? No. Absolutely not. We didn’t.
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02:03:17
Did we degrade their ability, to enrich uranium in the short term? Yeah. But does that short term mean, you know, three months, six months? I think that’s kinda where they’re they appear to be at. They don’t know.
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02:03:32
There’s still questions, and the Israelis think that they actually did manage to, keep stockpile of some of the enriched uranium that was buried way down inside of, I think it was Isfahan, the site. And so it was successful to a degree. Right? But, not to the degree that it was discussed early on and what they’re still saying. Right?
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02:03:57
So I think, that’s, you know, and that’s a realistic approach. You know, there were I think the military was was fairly clear in some of their, scenarios that they were drawing up prior to this that, you know, we don’t have high confidence that we can completely destroy these sites.
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02:04:11
Right? And and but, you know, if they’ve if they’ve destroyed and damaged a large number of centrifuges, well, that takes time to replace. Right? And so, you know, what I think what’s going to happen is the regime, and I think they’re already doing it, they’re gonna disperse, all of their efforts. Right?
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02:04:29
They’re not gonna stop trying to enrich uranium. They’re not gonna stop this drive towards a nuclear weapon because now in particular, I think they view it as you know, that’s our that’s our only leverage going down the road. So they’re gonna disperse it to smaller sites, gonna make it more difficult to, you know, create a a single strike scenario where you take it out for the most arya.
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02:04:49
And I think that’s that’s where we’re going with it. But, look, the the Israelis during the course of their twelve days or so, they degraded the missile capabilities, which was a big part of what they wanted to do, significantly. Now you depending on who you talk to, that significantly is, like, 40% destruction of of launchers and and missile stockpiles to 50%. That’s a lot, you know.
Speaker: 3
02:05:14
But, again, they still have the ability to make them, and they still will. So we’ve kind of we’ve kind of kicked the can down the road. Right? We’ve we’ve bought some time in terms of, okay, they’re not gonna get to a breakout point, you know, next speak, but we haven’t really solved the problem. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:05:34
And you don’t solve the problem unless the regime goes away. You know? And then people talk about regime change and everybody gets all squirrelly. So, you know, but you’re going to have the same problem. They they’ve already said they are going to continue to arm their proxies. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:05:50
And and there have already been weapons, shipments that have been, interdicted going to the Houthis, going to Hezbollah. Right? That process of them getting weapons to their proxies is more difficult in part because, you know, Syria sai fallen, and the Syrian government is, you know, it doesn’t like Iran.
Speaker: 3
02:06:07
The the the new one, the Islamist government that’s there doesn’t like Iran. So so they’re shutting down some of that traditional routes that they use to move weapons back and forth and other resources. But they’re gonna keep keep doing it. They’re gonna keep trying. So we’ve kind of, you know, again, you know, it’s it’s putting lipstick on a pig.
Speaker: 3
02:06:24
We’ve we’ve we’ve created a better situation in the short term, but it doesn’t solve the problem.
Speaker: 2
02:06:29
Are you shocked that we intervened? That we bombed their nuclear sites?
Speaker: 3
02:06:35
No. By the time we gotten a few days into what the Israelis were doing, it looked like there was really very little option. We’re gonna have to go in and and do that because the Israelis did not have the ability to do that. Right? They they were their operations again, ai, people can argue about, well, they should’ve done they should’ve done it, but ram an operational perspective, it was pretty damn impressive. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:06:57
Taking out some of the military leadership, taking out some of those nuclear, program, managers, directors, scientists was really impressive. Well, a lot of shows
Speaker: 2
02:07:06
that sai so impressive was when they tricked them with a fake phone call. Everybody get together in the bunker. Yes. Yeah. And then they blew the bunker up.
Speaker: 3
02:07:12
Yep. I mean, this it shows the depth of their intel capabilities because, again, they’ve been doing this for years because it’s an existential goddamn threat. And so that’s their target. Right? We’ve got as a in The US, you know you know, our our intel operations are focused on a lot of different things. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:07:29
Right. For the Israelis, for the most part, it’s Iran. You know? Yes. It’s, you know, subs you know, sets of Hezbollah, Houthis, and Hamas, and all that.
Speaker: 3
02:07:38
But those are you know, those things wouldn’t exist without Iranian support and backing. So their focus over the years has been how do we develop sources? How do we create access, you know, to sai, you know, and they so at the when the time comes, they pull out their playbook they open it up and go, let’s do this, and they just push the button.
Speaker: 3
02:07:56
Right? And they’re able to accomplish these things. So but it does show their their their capabilities. They didn’t have the munitions, so they don’t have these bunker busters to to to penetrate and get down, you know, to the to Ai or wherever. So it it it did it wasn’t a surprise that we did it.
Speaker: 3
02:08:12
Again, I just think we should be, and I suspect the Pentagon, you know, felt like we we should have been more circumspect speak how we ai the success of it. Now the foreign minister from Iran’s come out the past couple of days. Right? And he said, oh, you’ve, you know, serious damage. We’ve had to stop all uranium enrichment.
Speaker: 3
02:08:29
People go, oh, look. You know? And even the White House has said, well, see. You know? We’ve we’ve we’ve, you know, significantly damaged all their enrichment capabilities. Okay.
Speaker: 3
02:08:38
If you believe what the goddamn Iranian foreign minister sai. Right? But he’s a spokesman for the mullahs and ai the IRGC. Why would you? Yeah.
Speaker: 3
02:08:46
Sai Why
Speaker: 2
02:08:47
would they be honest about the losses they’ve taken?
Speaker: 3
02:08:49
Yeah. So he’s he’s pushing a message. Right? Right. And so, you know, who knows? But I think I think there’s there’s been damage, but not to degree that we you know, they they they would like to have seen.
Speaker: 2
02:08:59
But a lot of people didn’t understand, like, why at this point did we do that? Because one of the narratives was that they had the capability of enriching uranium to 90% Mhmm. Where they could but they they didn’t plan on doing it. They only wanted to have it so that they could use it as leverage.
Speaker: 3
02:09:19
Yeah. There is no, yeah, there’s no civilian purpose for having, you know, 60% enriched uranium. So, meh, maybe they thought if we if we get a stockpile of it, then we’re very close because it it’s a easy lift getting from well, relatively speaking, getting from 60 to 90% for weapons grade.
Speaker: 3
02:09:38
So, yes, maybe their thought was only we just use it as leverage and we’re not actually gonna pursue a weapon, but I don’t know that you want to, you know, you know, you want to make strategic decisions based on the hope that that’s the case. Right? Right. I think everything else that it’s shown in the past, their obfuscation, their hiding of their program, backing off of of past agreements, none of that shah that they were earnest negotiators or they were that they were honest brokers in in what that weapons program was like.
Speaker: 3
02:10:07
So I think, you know, there was there sounds like there was significant intelligence that came into the, Israeli services that said they’re fast tracking this whole effort, and that may have been in part because of the the, the damage done to their proxies. Right? So they may have looked and and seen look, Hezbollah’s leadership was torn apart. Right? Their stockpiles were were incredibly degraded. Same thing with with the others.
Speaker: 3
02:10:35
And so maybe, you know, that was the motivation perhaps, I’m speculating, for the Iranian regime to say, okay. Let’s get this done, you know, let’s push. If the Israelis picked up on that, then that would, you know, be, you know, sufficient justification to say we gotta act now.
Speaker: 2
02:10:50
But the thing is it’s ai we had to get dragged into it.
Speaker: 3
02:10:53
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: 2
02:10:55
That’s that’s where it gets fucked up because, like, one of the things that people voted for with this new administration was no more wars. No more useless wars. Mhmm. And then six months in, we’re bombing Iran.
Speaker: 3
02:11:05
Yeah. No. I’d I’d look, I’m I’m not here to argue whether, you know, I I know there’s a lot of people that that say we should not be doing any of this shit. Ai? We shouldn’t be yeah. We shouldn’t have been in Iraq. We shouldn’t have been in Afghanistan. We shouldn’t, you know, gone to Vietnam. We shouldn’t have okay. Fine.
Speaker: 3
02:11:18
You know, you know, there’s a lot of people that that argue that we should just sit in a bubble because the world will happen and it won’t impact us. Right? Some of the shit that happens outside, you know, The US borders will come back in a massively, you know, serious way and bite us in the ass.
Speaker: 3
02:11:37
So, you know, could a conflagration out in in The Middle East, if we don’t take any part in it, could it impact US national security? Is this one yeah. It could. So yeah. But it’s a call. I get it.
Speaker: 3
02:11:49
But, you know, people are saying draw the curtains sai we shouldn’t be at war, and we shouldn’t be doing any of this, and we shouldn’t support Israel. And what are we doing? Ai you know, I understand the mindset. I just don’t agree with it. But, you know, I think so I I I think the limited participation in terms of of, of providing the necessary munitions to attack those sites, Again, wasn’t a surprise.
Speaker: 3
02:12:11
Don’t disagree with the decision. You know, I just think, you know, we need to be pragmatic about how much damage we’ve done and what the potential is for us having to revisit this whole issue. Right?
Speaker: 2
02:12:22
Sai The thing is, like, people are so skeptical about motivations now. They’re so skeptical about public narratives. Ai, why we’re doing this and why we’re doing that. And I think one of the things that’s important hearing it from a person like yourself that’s spent most of your lifetime involved in this.
Speaker: 2
02:12:40
That there are things, like, we really shouldn’t be meddling in every part of the world, but sometimes we have to meddle.
Speaker: 3
02:12:49
There are occasions there are times again, Sai I it would be great if we lived in a world where we could just worry about ourselves. But that’s not, you know, maybe two hundred fifty years ago it was, right? Because it would take the Armada a long time to make its way across the ocean, but, you know, shit happens with with remarkable speed now, and I just think it’s an idealistic idea that you can you can ignore what’s happening and you can just say we’re only focusing on us.
Speaker: 3
02:13:17
We’re not gonna we’re not gonna get involved in anything that happens out there. I agree. There’s a lot of things that we don’t need to be involved in. Right? You know, looking back on looking back on Iraq, looking back on Afghanistan. Right? Now Afghanistan should have been a surgical move. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:13:32
We should have gone into Tora Bora, blown the shit out of that, tried to get, you know, Bin Bryden. And then we should have said, look. If you’re if you do this again, meaning if you let your country be a sandbox for the terrorists, we’re gonna come back here and do this again.
Speaker: 3
02:13:43
And then we should have gotten the hell out and not worried about, well, maybe we can build a stable federal style government in Afghanistan, which has never happened. And which we could have looked at what the Soviets said and said, meh. Ai not gonna work. So there’s things where we should be learning or we’re not very good at.
Speaker: 3
02:13:57
We should be learning and saying, but, my point being is you gotta leave the door open because there are times when shit go really seriously wrong. And if the Iranians suddenly you know, if you’re wrong about the hope that well, I think they’re just for peaceful purposes because I’m sana, for some reason, believe, you know, counter to their actions up till now, I’m gonna believe the Iranian regime.
Speaker: 3
02:14:15
So it’s peaceful purposes. And then they announce that they’re a member of the nuclear club, you got a shitstorm going on in The Middle East because it’s not like the the regional actors, like the Saudis arya gonna go, okay. No worries. We’re gonna let Iran have the bomb, and we’re not gonna get it. Right. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:14:30
Now you’re gonna have multiple nuclear armed nations sitting in The Middle East and At odds with each other. At odds with each other. And I don’t know that that’s a really good scenario because you’re inching closer to, you know, use of a tactical nuclear weapon. Right? Like like, you know, Putin’s already and his his his moronic, puppet, Medvedev, you know, keeps rattling the nuclear sable. Meh, we used the use a tactical nuke maybe. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
02:14:56
You you start getting closer to vatsal, and that’s a that’s a real problem. So I think there are times when you gotta you gotta step in, in a in an intelligent way, but you gotta be pragmatic about what that means. And so what I’m saying about with with Iran is I we didn’t really solve anything. Right? Sana nothing will get solved.
Speaker: 3
02:15:13
The Iranian population isn’t gonna have a better life, until there’s a change in that regime. I’m not advocating regime change unless it comes from inside Iran. Right? And that’s what you would you’d like to think maybe at some point they ai up and say, fuck it. Enough is enough. Right? Yeah.
Speaker: 3
02:15:29
You know, and but that hasn’t happened and despite people hoping it would happen.
Speaker: 2
02:15:34
Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s very it it gives people a lot of anxiety when we think about all the possibilities of all over the world, all the different things that are happening, whether it’s Ukraine and Russia, Iran and Israel. It’s ai it’s constant. What’s going on in Sana? It’s like everything is it’s it’s just like this constant feed of doom that, you know, if you’re paying attention and you kind of have to pay attention a little because, Yeah.
Speaker: 2
02:16:02
It is kinda crazy and it could it could affect your life.
Speaker: 3
02:16:06
Which is Sai think why why we’re so quick to wanna, you know, glom onto what’s happening with Epstein or what’s happening with the the, you know, the intel assessment of them because it it it takes away the focus from, you know, there’s shit happening in the world. You know, they could create bigger conflict. Right? Could drag us into something something bigger.
Speaker: 3
02:16:23
Look, the European Union is they’re heavily focused on what’s going on with Russia because they’re sitting on the border. Right? And so, you know, right now, you know, Putin, he has no interest in peace. Right? He he thinks he’s still ai winning. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:16:39
And there’s this hope that, well, we think the Russian economy is about to crumble. It doesn’t look that way. I don’t think it’s going to crumble. So but, I mean, my point being is that the EU looks at it from a different perspective than The US does. Now I think one of the things that Trump’s done very well is to get the EU to focus more of their own resources on this. That’s a great move.
Speaker: 3
02:16:57
Right? And people should be able to say, yeah. Whether they’re Democrat or Republican, yeah. Makes sense. Focus more on it. Right? It’s, yeah, it’s in your backyard.
Speaker: 3
02:17:05
And so I think that’s a that’s a good step from this administration. They should be talking about it more. But does that mean we should back off entirely? Well, again, you know, I hear I hear from folks all the time and they’re like, yeah. Why do we give a shit?
Speaker: 3
02:17:18
You know, why why should we be spending our, you know, resources on Ukraine? And ai. If you’re okay with with, you know, with Putin winning, then fine. Okay. You know? Then, you know, I I get your point. But at least admit that what you’re saying is, you know, we shouldn’t be supporting Ukraine.
Speaker: 3
02:17:39
And, frankly, without US support, you know, Ukraine’s not going to win this this fight and whatever that win means. Right? The win Can they even win? No. They can’t not in terms of, like, a we’ve reclaimed all our territory. That’s never gonna happen.
Speaker: 2
02:17:53
Right? So it’s over.
Speaker: 0
02:17:54
For that.
Speaker: 3
02:17:54
It’s a negotiated settlement of some sort that’s not completely unpalatable for for, you know, the Ukrainian people. Right? So what what they’re going to you know, who knows? Maybe the, you know, the goal is clearly to get everything back, but they’re not gonna get Crimea back.
Speaker: 3
02:18:08
They’re not gonna get, you know, the some of the eastern region that the Russians have been sitting in now for quite a long tyler, right, even before the the invasion. So, you know, you you’ve got some negotiated settlement that that they can accept. But, you know, if you if we say we’re not gonna support them and you can’t inflict enough pressure or whatever you wanna call it, pain on Putin to get him in a serious way to the negotiating table, then ultimately, yeah, the, you know, the Russian military will overwhelm them.
Speaker: 3
02:18:40
Right? Because they’ve got the support of China. They’ve got the certainly the support of North Korea. North Korea’s about to send another 30,000 troops to, you know, to the front lines, on behalf of Putin. I mean, that’s crazy, but we’ve got North Korean troops and by the thousands ai and dying in in in Ukraine.
Speaker: 3
02:18:58
And so, you know, The US providing military support that keeps them in the fight long enough to hopefully, with the EU expanding what they’re doing, to hopefully get Putin to think, okay, fuck it. I I I I do have to sit down at the table. Great.
Speaker: 2
02:19:13
Well, this is what’s discouraging is that Trump sai, when I get into office, I can fix this in twenty four hours.
Speaker: 3
02:19:19
Yeah. Ai know. That’s the meh problem. Again, messaging problem. Yeah. Yeah. It’s always it’s again, I go back to that same thing. There’s there’s there’s always a problem with with, you know and again, Ai this is not a I’m just saying maybe get better, you know, calms people, and try to get a little just a a tad bit more discipline.
Speaker: 3
02:19:38
But, you know, the idea that you’re gonna fix this problem in a day, you know, it’s hyperbole, but people buy into it. Right? And then and then you get a mob that are saying, well, how come we couldn’t? And what are you doing here? And you rather than saying, well, no more wars, just say the world is an unusual, unstable, chaotic place.
Speaker: 3
02:19:56
There may be occasion when we need to be involved, but I’m gonna try to minimize that. You know? Say some something like that, and then then you don’t have to throw more red meat to the crowd. But it’s yeah. The Ukraine situation, and Zelenskyy’s got some other problems. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:20:11
This is it’s an interesting situation that meh hopefully, it doesn’t bore bore people, but it’s it’s important to keep on the radar is that, you know, Zelenskyy, has just signed a bill that kinda gutted the two pry primary anti corruption organizations in Ukraine. And Ukraine’s had years and years of history of of being a corrupt nation.
Speaker: 3
02:20:33
And it’s always been a roadblock to them getting into the European Union because they’re saying, you gotta do something to clean this goddamn place up. Right? So Ukraine has had a history of not just with Zelensky, but prior to that. And so the parliament, you know, wrote up a bill basically handing over control of these two anti corruption independent organizations that monitor corruption inside the Ukraine government, handed over that control to, the prosecutor general, government control of these organizations.
Speaker: 3
02:21:03
And they put that bill that they wrote, a Zelensky supporter wrote it, put it on Zelensky’s desk. It was, like, forty eight hours ago. And he had the choice to either sign it or veto it. Again, here’s the problem. We think, like, who the fuck was advising him? Right? Veto that goddamn thing.
Speaker: 3
02:21:19
But he didn’t. That he signed it. And now you got street protests, significant, large street protests in Ukraine against this because they considered this this authoritarian takeover. And they’re and and they know what their history was ai, and so the people are worried about this. So they’re out on the streets protesting.
Speaker: 3
02:21:34
Putin’s looking at it going like, ah, it’s fantastic. That’s because Putin’s been saying that Zelensky is an illegitimate leader for some time now. And one of his demands has always been, you know, I’ll negotiate, but, you know, Zelensky needs to go. And because he wants a pro Kremlin leader in there.
Speaker: 3
02:21:49
So you’ve got all this going on sana and then Zelensky decides he’s gonna sign this bill. Now he’s got the protest. Now he’s gonna have to he’s he’s he’s trying to scramble. So now he said, we’re gonna we’re gonna introduce a new bill to strengthen our anti corruption efforts.
Speaker: 3
02:22:01
So now he’s trying to, you know, cauterize that wound. So, you know, that’s it’s just again, it’s a it’s a self inflicted wound. He shouldn’t have done it, but, I’m just and I’m trying to speak to the complexity that’s going on out there right now.
Speaker: 2
02:22:14
Jesus Christ, Mike Baker.
Speaker: 3
02:22:15
Yeah. I’m sorry about that. Meh. Anyway, so that’s we have it’s and we touched very we haven’t even talked about about, about the situation with Hamas and and Israel, but I’ll leave that for another day, because I’m sure if we got together again in another half a year, it’s still going on.
Speaker: 3
02:22:34
There’s no there’s no ceasefire that’s gonna happen. You know? Every time you turn around, The US, Witkoff or somebody in the US administration or the Saudis or the Egyptians or the Qataris, whoever’s handling mediation is saying, yeah. We’re very close to a ceasefire. It’s just not it’s just not happening. So, you know, it’s gonna be a mess. We can talk about that some other time. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
02:22:55
Yeah. I know. That’s a
Speaker: 2
02:22:57
Is there any way you can give us some happy news to wrap this up? Is there anything positive
Speaker: 3
02:23:03
Yeah. Well going on?
Speaker: 2
02:23:04
I know you got a bunch of notes over there.
Speaker: 3
02:23:06
I do. I do.
Speaker: 2
02:23:07
Is there anything ai, hey.
Speaker: 3
02:23:08
Will it
Speaker: 2
02:23:08
be okay?
Speaker: 3
02:23:09
One of my I know. I know. It’s Ai none of them I got well, I got one about well, Ozzy and and and Hulk Hogan. I mean, they that’s not positive. No.
Speaker: 2
02:23:18
Goddamn. We lost Hulk Hogan today.
Speaker: 3
02:23:19
We did. Hulk Hogan. What a what a guy. And then Ozzy. I mean, what a what a goddamn career.
Speaker: 2
02:23:24
But the Ozzy thing is less surprising because he’d been battling Parkinson’s, and he was very old. But the Hulk Hogan thing was crazy. He was he was here just how long ago? A year ago? Yeah. Yeah. He was in the podcast for a year ago.
Speaker: 3
02:23:38
Well, Ozzy did that concert on the July 5.
Speaker: 2
02:23:41
I know.
Speaker: 3
02:23:41
Yeah. I mean, in his chair.
Speaker: 2
02:23:42
But Hulk went in for some surgery, apparently. And, he got an infection.
Speaker: 3
02:23:48
Yeah. Yeah. I think it was neck or spine surgery or something that he couldn’t come back ram. But, yeah. And and then and it’s all in the same speak. And then and then what? What’s what’s his name? Then the other guy, this poor ai. It always happens. Right?
Speaker: 3
02:24:03
Malcolm Jamal Warner, the the kid from, The Cosby Shah, he dies and then nobody thinks about it because, like, the day after, Ozzy dies and then a Hulk Hogan ai.
Speaker: 2
02:24:13
They, you
Speaker: 3
02:24:13
know, it’s
Speaker: 2
02:24:13
They always die in threes.
Speaker: 3
02:24:14
Yeah. But they like
Speaker: 2
02:24:15
ai that celebrities die in threes. Why is that true?
Speaker: 3
02:24:18
Yeah. But poor Ai. I mean, he goes and and his his death is completely, you know, it’s like, it’s like if you and I were on a plane and plane went down, it’d be like, we lost a legend today. You know, Joe Rogan is gone saloni with 240 others. And that’d be like the other. You know, it’d be it’d be it’d be a sad moment.
Speaker: 2
02:24:36
Malcolm died, swimming. Right? He gets caught in the undertow?
Speaker: 3
02:24:40
Yeah. It was a swimming incident in Costa Rica. Yeah. Got pulled out by a riptide. Yeah. Fuck,
Speaker: 2
02:24:46
man. You gotta be able to sai, and you gotta not fuck with the tides. Yeah.
Speaker: 3
02:24:50
It’s That’s scary shit. Yeah. We were out in, in The Caymans, my wife and I for, had gone down there to give a speech or something. So we sai, let’s go, you know, snorkeling, whatever. And, so I went out. I didn’t take a a PFD. I didn’t take a, you know, a, inflatable device with me. Right? I should’ve just grabbed the belt. You know? You just pop it. Yeah. Meh it.
Speaker: 3
02:25:13
So I was out there swimming, snorkeling around. And and at some point, I was like, oh, Ai don’t feel good. I don’t feel right. And then I could tell, because I’d had an heart issue in the past. Right? I knew exactly what was gonna happen.
Speaker: 3
02:25:25
And so I I started feeling this and I did and I could just kinda feel the energy drain out of me. But I’m out in the middle of the fucking, you know, water, and I kinda look up and there’s no I can see I can see my wife off in the distance, you know, but I’m like Sai you know?
Speaker: 3
02:25:38
And so I’m just trying to keep my goddamn head above water. And so I get her attention ai. She comes over and she’s a brilliant person and she’s a great athlete, very strong swimmer. And so she’s trying to help, but now I’m doing that dude thing where I don’t really want the I don’t sana make a fuss.
Speaker: 2
02:25:54
Right? Oh, no.
Speaker: 3
02:25:55
So I’m not thinking about I don’t wanna take my mask off and say, sai, I’ll be okay. And I’m gonna I ram, you know, I’m just kinda like barely going, but I’m doing that the the dude thing. Right? When you have as a dude, if you’re having a heart attack, you don’t wanna alert everybody because you’re like, I don’t wanna cause a scene.
Speaker: 3
02:26:09
I don’t wanna be a problem. I don’t wanna show that I’m I’m weak or whatever. So I’m ai, this so she, literally hauls my ass back to shore. Right? And so it was it was one of those moments. I got back to the house, but I, you know, I was fine after after a little bit.
Speaker: 3
02:26:24
But it was just one of those moments where we realized this would be a fucked up way to go. Right? Just kind of drowning and, you know, being at the bottom of that and then you got to fish you out. But so I feel bad for, yeah, Malcolm Jamal Warner. But but then also his, you know, his news got blown out by Ozzy and now Hulk.
Speaker: 3
02:26:40
So It
Speaker: 2
02:26:40
is weird that they always die in threes.
Speaker: 3
02:26:43
Yeah. Yeah. Ai yeah. I don’t know what that’s all about. It’s But it’s so common. Cosmic retribution. Something’s going on.
Speaker: 0
02:26:48
But it’s
Speaker: 2
02:26:49
like there’s a pattern to the universe where that happens.
Speaker: 3
02:26:51
Yeah. So but now as far as meh you know, good news, I’m really working on this one. You’re here? Yeah. Yeah. I’m here.
Speaker: 2
02:27:01
We’re here. Gotcha. Everybody listening is still live.
Speaker: 3
02:27:03
Going to see Oasis. So that’s good news. Oh, nice. Yeah. I’m gonna go see Oasis sana
Speaker: 2
02:27:07
Fuck you.
Speaker: 3
02:27:08
Coming to Los Angeles. It’ll be a big deal.
Speaker: 2
02:27:10
I’m glad they’re back together.
Speaker: 3
02:27:11
Goddamn it. Ai. Sai know. I’m just hoping it’s not because it’s not till September. So the danger is That they’ve feuded. They’ve feuded. They speak
Speaker: 2
02:27:19
up. Fuck you.
Speaker: 0
02:27:20
Ai. Fuck you.
Speaker: 3
02:27:22
Yeah. Ai off. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s but it’s gonna be should be a great show. They’ve been doing a a bang up job, but as long as they stick come on, guys. Stick together. Make it to, to September, and we’ll be fine. But other than that, you know, this you know, there’s good news happening out there. I’m sure I just haven’t I haven’t seen it. Alright. I’m sorry about that.
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02:27:40
Tell everybody your podcast.
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02:27:41
Oh, yeah. Thank you. It’s, President’s Daily Brief. It’s available. We got a YouTube channel. There it is. At President’s Daily Brief.
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02:27:49
Doing well.
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02:27:50
Sai yeah. Is
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02:27:51
Meh see you on the charts all the time.
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02:27:52
Yeah. We’re we’re we’re up there. We’re always in the hovering around the top 10, and, I think it speaks to the fact that, you know, for the most part, look, we’re just trying to tell people what’s happening without telling them how to think about it.
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02:28:04
Ai? And that’s what people want because there’s not a lot of that.
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02:28:07
And it’s worked out well in that regard. And and occasionally, I’ll I’ll say something. I get a little comment in there, but I try to keep the opinion out of it. But it’s yeah. It’s, all the podcast platforms, YouTube channel, and it’s, it’s it’s gone well. It’s been a great adventure, so far, and it’s been growing, which, again, for me, that that is very satisfying in the sense that, you know, nowadays everything’s opinion. Right?
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02:28:32
Everything got him opinion. Right?
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02:28:34
Not just opinion, but again what you’re saying, telling you how to think.
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02:28:36
Telling you how to think about it. Yeah.
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02:28:37
Yeah. This is how you have to think.
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02:28:39
Yeah. So it’s yeah. President’s Daily Brief. Anybody gets a chance, check it out, subscribe, whatever you do. And I appreciate you letting me bang on about that.
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02:28:47
I appreciate you telling me about things and explaining things just so I get I get lost out there.
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02:28:52
I always feel like I come in here, I bum you out, and, meh.
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02:28:55
Yeah. You definitely did today.
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02:28:56
Dude, I’m going to your show tonight. I’m gonna love it. Okay. America wants to know this before I go. The White House card, is it happening? Supposedly.
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02:29:06
Yeah. Supposedly July 4 next year.
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02:29:08
Yeah. Okay. July 4 next year? Yep. Okay. That’s it’s gonna be amazing. It should be wild. Is Jones coming back?
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02:29:15
I don’t know. You know, it’s a lot of time between now and then. He’s he’s a wild card.
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02:29:21
Yeah. Alright. I’d like to
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see it. I’d like to see him Are
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02:29:23
you kidding me?
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02:29:24
Fight for the title Yeah. On the White House lawn. That’d be pretty wild.
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02:29:27
It’s it’s crazy. No. Okay. Ai. I didn’t mean to drag that one out. But anyway, thank you, man. Alright.
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Thank you. Bye, everybody ai.