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Showing ai. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Good. Alright. Ryan Cowenham, ladies and gentlemen. We brought you in here. Hopefully, we were gonna kill that public land sale deal
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Yep.
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From the big beautiful bill. Yeah. We did it. Before we even got you in here.
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Well, I mean, we’re not out of the woods yet No. Is the reality. Yeah. I mean, we’re I I was hoping that, you and I were gonna we’re gonna team up and tee off on these sons of bitches and watch it die together. That would’ve been ideal.
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I think it’s dead.
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It’s it is dead. It is dead, but we’re a long way from this stuff being Dead ever. Dead ever. Forever. Ai. Right. Exactly.
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It’s gotta be dead forever. That’s not it’s not theirs to sell. It’s very unique to The United States. It’s an amazing thing that we have. And I don’t think people in other countries understand this. I don’t think people in America even understand how unique it is. Like, our public lands what what they did when they set that up, not just national parks, but all the public lands, we created this insane resource, this beautiful resource where we can go into the mountains, into the woods, and and enjoy nature.
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And it’s ours. It’s it’s all of ours.
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And I meh, I mean, the amount of response from listeners that live outside the country and and to a person, they’re like, are you guys really gonna screw this up? They’re ai, how how do people not know? How do people not appreciate what you guys have? Don’t turn into this country or this country or this country.
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Basically, any other country outside of Canada and The US.
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I think the the real issue is the people in America that don’t experience it and don’t go there and don’t know how insanely unique this situation is. Like, I don’t know how to say Chamath’s last name, Polyhopedia. Is that how you say it? Even he was tweeting, this is a great deal.
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Sell the land and, you know, we’ll make some money. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? Like, you know, you don’t understand. Like, that this this was an incredible gift that they gave us when they set America up this way.
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Oh, yeah. And and it’s not that they need to go out and experience. They can also understand just where food comes from. Right? How how we get cold water and fresh water in our taps. That public resource is working on our behalf 247365, always has been and always will be as long as we don’t screw it up. Right?
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So it’s not just the recreational part of it. It is, I mean, it it is no different than, if you wanna think of it in these terms, than some, you know, one armed jack pumping oil out of the ground. Like, it is constantly working on our behalf, and it it being public land needs to be intact, an intact ecosystem to do its job.
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And there’s less and less of it every year. So, like, for instance, right, like Meh grasslands, we’re leaving we are losing 2,000,000 acres, and grasslands are kinda like a catchall phrase a little bit, but it’d be ai sagebrush ecosystem, short ram prairie, mixed grass prairie, but we’re losing 2,000,000 acres a year.
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It’s the most threatened ecosystem, not just in The US, but in the entire planet. And people are like, it’s just grass.
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Not doing anything. Losing that? Development.
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Really? Well, there’s development, but also, encroachment of tree species. So, cedars, junipers, stuff like that working their way back out on to the prairie, to the plain, and we used to have all these natural deforesters out there, bison, that wouldn’t allow those trees to grow because they like rubbing up on stuff, and and it’ll destroy them.
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So, you know, millions of bison out there physically removing or preventing that, tree encroachment onto the plane. Those trees are sucking water out of the ground, making it more arid and more dry. Water table goes down. You lose a lot of species diversification, and people just do not know, Joe. They just don’t know. And they look at it, and they’re like, it’s just grass.
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Yeah. I never knew that it was 2,000,000 acres a year. How many acres in The United States?
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About 2,230,000,000 acres in The US.
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So that that’s a lot. Like, 2,000,000 acres a year is a lot.
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2,000,000 acres is a year is a is a lot. And, like, I was hacking on Jamie for his, golf swing. Right?
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We got about Jamie’s got a solid golf swing. You better leave him alone. That’s all I got is the
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golf swing.
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Leave him alone. He can he can swing. Jamie, what’s the longest drive you’ve ever had? I’ve hit it over. Ai meh, three ten, whatever, three zero five. That’s legit. That’s fucked. Ai done it. That’s legit. Right? I don’t wanna play golf, but I I think that’s pretty legit. What’s, like, where are you?
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Head because I’m like, yeah. I have no idea. 300 is That’s all.
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Someone up to hit over 600 yards before, but Wow. It’s like with the wind and the elevation and elevation helps a lot. Right. Like Montana or something like that. I could hit it 400 yards in Montana.
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Really? Ai have
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on the simulator. Oh. Oh, that’s interesting. Alright. The simulator oh, the simulator accounts for that? Yeah. But you don’t have to dodge bears on the simulator.
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2,000,000 acres of golf courses in The US.
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Is there? 2,000,000 acres of golf courses. Sai ai. Like, all the golf courses in The United States get lost every year in grassland.
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Exactly. Wow. Yeah.
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Wow. That’s a good way to put it. Right? Yeah.
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Yeah. And so we talk in as far as, like, the public estate. Right? We have 640,000,000 acres is the the number that you hear all the time. 83,000,000 of those are our national parks. But thanks to the great state of Alaska, you can hunt inside the boundary of some national parks up there to the tune of about, like, 43,000,000 acres.
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Big, big chunks. Right? And then you, you know, remove a little for structures, roads. You know, we have over 400,000 miles of road on forest service and BLM ground.
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Wow.
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I mean, it’s a lot a lot. Right? And then when we get into, like, talking about, like, the budgeting of things, like, BLM Forest Service, they’re maintaining a lot of stuff that people take for granted. And then ai sai. You know? So we’re down to, like, 580,000,000 acres of what I would consider, like, usable. And then you consider what those acres can actually produce.
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Right? Which, you know, if you go to a super arid state, you need a lot more land to support, ai, mammal, ungulate type life than you do in a state that’s got a lot more water. Like that. That’s growing a lot of a lot of food in a smaller amount of space. Right?
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So to make things palatable for people, we’re always doing the work of, like, dumbing things down, dumbing down the messaging. Mhmm. And, yeah, you’re right. Like, people don’t know. They don’t know because we try to distill things into, like, all public land. Yeah. Right?
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But it is so diverse, which is what makes it amazing, and that diversity provides all this opportunity. And one of the things that that people need to keep in mind is we have nothing but bad examples. All these other countries have gone the complete opposite way of what we have now. And one of America’s largest exports are is hunters.
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Like, we we send hunters all over the world to support these other economies. And what we have here at home is insanely valuable, and it just becomes more and more valuable because we have large intact ecosystems that you just more and more cannot find anywhere else. Right?
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Yeah. And I just I wish more people appreciated it. I wish more people experienced it. There’s just too many people that just arya landlocked. Ai mean, what I mean by landlocked, I mean, in cities. Urban locked is probably the best term for it. There’s just too many people that just don’t go out.
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They don’t they don’t know how amazing it is. It’s ai I always say that it’s it’s like a vitamin that you didn’t know you needed. You know? You get down to the real wild, the real woods, it’s a it’s a it’s some kind of a nutrient that you didn’t know you needed.
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Oh, meh. I was just up on ai up to the Arctic, went up to Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to check that place out, and twenty four hours of sun. Right? Land in the midnight sana. Never gets dark. And I was the only person on that trip who didn’t bring, like, some sort of an eye cover to sleep with.
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And and I just can’t tell you, like, how hard and good I slept up there. Like
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Really? Even without eye cover?
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All over myself, and it’s just clean air and lots of space, man. It’s magical. Magical.
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How do you sleep with no eye cover?
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I swear to God, Jill, man, when it was time to go to bryden, and it started out, like, bed was at 10:30, and then bed was at 02:30 in the morning, and then bed was ram, because you would get as that sun’s kinda, like, making this low orbit, I’m sure you’ve seen, like, the time lapses of the sun, like, kinda does a little dip. Yeah. You get this, like, hazy, gorgeous light that you just wanted to stay up and and see.
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But I’d close my eyes, and and I could see, like, the sun going down to darkness in in my brain because it was just time to go to bed. It was really bizarre. And then if I had to wake up for something, it was bright light, and I couldn’t figure out why. Yeah. But, I mean, it was so cathartic, man. Like, we’ve been running so hard.
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And because of this public lands battle that we’ve been in, I think most people are like, oh, yeah. It just popped up last week, and then we crushed it and big win. And a little larger group of people or a smaller group of people is like, oh, it started in the house about six weeks ago.
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And then there’s a real small group of people who arya, like, August 24, the state of Utah submitted a lawsuit for, you the United States Supreme Court to take 18 and a half million acres of BLM land in Utah. August 2024 is when we were like, oh my god. We gotta be on top of this. This is what’s coming. Trump’s gonna win the election.
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It’s gonna set all these things up, and we’re gonna be in this fight. Yeah. And people were like, I don’t even know why you’re talking about this. This isn’t a big deal. I’m like, oh, it is a big deal. This is happening.
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Well, it’s such a slippery slope too. This is what people don’t know or don’t appreciate. If you say, oh, it’s only ai 1,000,000 acres. We’ll we’ll sell off 1,000,000 acres. It’ll help fix the debt. No, it’s not. The debt’s $37,000,000,000,000. It’s you’re not gonna fix the debt by selling off public land.
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And if you open up that slippery slope to these fucking vampire developers, they’re gonna keep doing it. They’re gonna keep sucking on that blood until there’s nothing left, until it’s just the national parks. Oh, we preserved Yellowstone. Oh, great.
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And and that ai literally yeah. You know, like, Mike Lee is, like, the figurehead of this Yeah. Right now. He’s on the record saying, we’re gonna sell everything. We need to sell everything. That’s the plan. We’re gonna retain the national parks and maybe a couple other things. Duh.
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Like and he’s been on the record for damn near twenty years saying this stuff.
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What is who’s paying him?
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Ai there’s a lot there’s a lot there. Right? Like, where he grew up in Utah, there’s a lot of, like,
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Sai would say, like Chaffetz is from. Right?
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Yeah. And
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he was the he was the guy we were fighting a few years ago.
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Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that’s exactly why I dug this shirt out, Joe.
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Yeah. I got one of those somewhere.
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Yeah. I wore this shirt on your show the last time this shit was
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happening. Oh, yeah. Right? That’s right. It was happening back then. That was ai, what, five years ago? Oh, I meh, you
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were still in California. I mean, it was Five
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years ago, I moved here. So it had to be six or seven years ago.
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Yeah. Exactly. Right? And it’s just it’s cyclical. Yeah. And I swear to god, people didn’t pay attention to this Utah lawsuit. We were I went back to, DC for you know, Steve’s on the board for Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, TRCP. They have a policy meeting that I try to go to, ai, two or three times a year and where I was in there with all these people that are super smart and went to school for all this stuff.
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And a couple of us were like, why is nobody why is nobody talking about this? Why is nobody concerned about this? And then this idea of selling public lands got really conflated with, like, oh my god. If you talk about anything that’s going on with the federal government, you’re anti Trump. And it was just this ultra politicized hot potato. We’re like, no. No. No.
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Public lands. They’re for everybody. Like, this is a nonpartisan thing. We’ve been talking about it since August. Here’s this lawsuit. Like, they’re selling land that belongs to everybody.
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Doesn’t matter what state you’re in. And then, like, the next domino fell, and a bunch of states and counties signed on a a amicus brief for that Utah lawsuit, which is ai a friend of the court filing because they wanted to get in like, stuff’s going up for free or cheap fire sale.
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They wanted to be in on it. And then the next domino fell, which was, oh, Mike Lee’s getting pulled into the White House, and he’s cutting deals. And we know exactly what’s on his ai. And it was literally just ai this opening in the world where nobody’s talking about 18 and a half million acres.
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So what if we arya talking about 200,000,000 acres or 500,000,000 acres? And it just, like, totally kicked the door open to this whole enchilada fire saloni, and had the dude not been as greedy. People may not have gotten as fired up about it, but, you know, kinda thank god he did.
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So who’s paying him?
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Man, I think and I’m not an expert on this. There’s there’s some, like, real ideology here ai, Mormon church ideology. You know, there’s like a billion people in the Mormon church, so not everybody thinks
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like this. Is there a billion?
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I don’t know what the number is. There’s a lot. It’s wasn’t it ai the the most fastest growing religion there for a while?
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Is it because you get extra chicks? What is the deal?
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There’s a lot of pretty people. There’s a lot of pretty people, man. There that’s a hook for sure.
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Well, I have a friend who lives in Salt Lake, and he said that, like, they’ll literally send hot girls to try to recruit people. Yeah. Like, they knock on your door, and they’re hot. I mean, I can’t blame him for going with what works. Right? I mean And also, it’s in terms of, like, it’s a weird religion. Right? Because here what’s what’s the number here? 17,000,000. Global meh. Global membership. Right? 17,000,000.
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So you were off by a few 100.
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Yeah. Few 100,000,000. Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh, in 2024, they reached a twenty seven year high. Wow. Significant surge in in, convert baptisms in 2024. I wonder what, those hot girls going door to door. But there’s They’re the nicest people. They are the fucking nicest. Mormons are the nicest. I had a few neighbors that were Mormons when I lived in California.
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I got, asked. I was fishing down in Louisiana with a super, grumpy old fishing ai. And he’s like, hey, Callahan. What do you think about Muslims? And I I kinda put the fly rod down for a second, and I was like Where
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are we going? Where are we going with this?
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I was like, like, all of them? Yeah. I’m like, there’s a lot of Muslims, bud. Like, all all of them. I’m like, what do you think about Louisianans? Like, all of them. Right.
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Right? I’m like, come on, man. How arya you gonna do that? Yeah. Yeah. What what? I’m sure there’s some really good ones, and I’m sure there’s some real bad ones
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and everything in between.
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Like all humans.
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Yeah. Kinda like all humans. So on the the Mormon church side of things, there’s, you know, there’s some doctrine, some church doctrine that says that the land is put here for the benefit of the people, and you’re basically, and I’m very much paraphrasing here, you’re you’re spiting God if you’re not developing that land for profit, like, for for the profit of the people.
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And so there is a a strong theory that Mike Lee is Is he Mormon? Yes. Is so indoctrinated into this part of the church that this is, like, his divine mission.
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Oh, that’s a problem. Right?
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And so it it yeah. I mean, it’s real religious zealotry. Yeah.
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I I was not aware of that.
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And so but, again, like, that doesn’t have to be representative of the entire religion. And to the people that I hang out with that are Mormon, it’s absolutely not. Right? They they’re ai public lands that are set aside for multiple use, don’t get locked up, don’t get developed in certain ways are the best thing. Right?
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But, and this is something that just, like, has gotta get talked about, Ai Lee is, like, very much in power. He is the chair. He’s a senior senator. He is the chair of the energy and natural resources committee in the senate. And ai I said, he starts getting dragged into the White House.
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He starts consolidating power, and he starts telling everybody, hey. I’m gonna put this amendment in, and you better not go against it, or else for the next six years, which is technical, as long as Republicans stay in power, he’s not gonna lose his chairmanship of the, energy and natural resources committee.
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As long as he’s there, none of their stuff is gonna be read because it’s the chair that decides what they’re gonna review, what they’re gonna look at, and what they’re gonna pass. So here’s this dude who is leveraging everything for his personal thing. And he had his shot, and he took it.
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And, fortunately, people started cluing in, and there was enough of an on ram that there was a blowback literally in every every state, all 50 states. People wrote in to first their representatives, then their senators, and it created enough of a, oh my god. This is going to set back the entire big beautiful bill.
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This is only one part of the dumpster fire that is the big beautiful bill, but it’s gonna take this whole thing off the tracks, and that’s that’s why it’s killed. Now Lee issued a statement, which is ai a gut shot if you’re in my position who’ve been, like, tracking this thing, you know, since August.
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And, you know, it said, oh, I listened to the American people. Right? Well, he rewrote the language. He and his team, his staff rewrote the language four different times to get it passed the senate parliamentarian. It it did pass, and you don’t do that if you’re listening to the American people. Right?
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The American people, by the end of this, were very united in saying not one acre. It started as not one acre in the budget reconciliation process, which is, you know, part of what they’re doing here in the big beautiful bill or is what they’re doing. And the the phrasing there really matters. Right?
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Like, we have systems in place for land sales, legal framework, those both of those, you know, it’s acronyms, government acronyms, FLTMA FLTNA, and the revenues from land sales go back into acquiring land of greater value. There’s all these acts since 1781. All of these acts for the disposal of federally managed land, and and that those two that I named are are the the most bryden, and they’re designed to, maybe not retain the same acreage but provide the most value to the American people.
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And what Lee was doing in this reconciliation process was completely circumventing that. And as you mentioned, like, nobody no no citizen in The United States is going to feel any change from dumping a $100,000,000 into the federal treasury right now. And that’s where the money was going. Wow.
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So going forward in the future, how do we make sure that this never happens again? Do we have to just keep doing this every few years when it comes up?
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Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean and that’s that’s the, like, the the best thing that could have come out of this. Like, we are gonna make we made this huge stink, right, from peep all the different buckets that politicians pay attention to. Right? All the different user groups, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, everybody came together.
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And more than likely, a shitload of people, the 36% of Americans who didn’t vote in the last election, probably chose to spoke speak up, some large percentage of them, and said no public land sales. Hopefully, that created enough of, you know, what they call in Washington is, like, a third rail issue. It’s ai, doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on.
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You can’t have this as part of your agenda because you’re gonna get shot down. Right? That’s that’s, like, the the near term win because that feeling won’t last forever. Right. There’s a piece of legislation out of Ryan Zinke’s office, who’s our Montana congressman, and he was actually, started as secretary of the interior under Trump in his first term.
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Zinke has this public lands and public hands act, and it would not have prevented what just happened, this budget reconciliation thing. But it does, put some more guardrails around the sale of federally managed land, and that would be, like, a really positive thing. However, just like I explained, like, Mike Lee’s position in the senate, it would have to get through him. Like, it’s got he’s gotta be circumvented.
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There’s no way he’s gonna vote for something like this, and it’s gotta go through the house. And everything I’ve heard about, in on the, house committees is there are some people there that don’t wanna see this thing happen. So more people are signing on to the Public Lands and Public Hands Act, which is awesome show of support.
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Senator Heinrich got a New Mexico’s got it written for the senate. No Republican cosponsors. He needs Republican cosponsors in the senate just to get the ball rolling there. But we still have, like, these knuckleheads that are saying, if you didn’t vote for my thing, I won’t let a single good thing happen for the next six years.
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Ai goes, you know, provided they don’t get removed somehow, someway.
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Yeah. They’re so it’s really interesting when you see these bills, because these bills arya, like I think they read the entire bill on the floor, and it took fourteen hours, and no one was there. They just read it to an empty audience, because nobody sat around for fourteen hours. So what was it? 900 pages? Meh. Yeah. Yeah.
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Which is ai, who’s how are you signing off on things that I know you’re not reading? Like, how crazy is that? That this is a part of our process of government. Is that they pass these bills that have all sorts of weird shit piled into them. Yeah.
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Good things and bad things altogether. And you have to figure out, like, how much of the bad stuff do you allow because you want the good stuff. And they all have to make these weird shah fucking deals.
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Yeah. I mean, I got that text, the official text, you know, essentially as soon as it came out. And public land sales were page two zero two. So I just went straight to page two zero two and read through the new language, to see what because it was another revision by Mike Lee to see if he could get that thing passed.
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It was just typical crap. Like, he’s not listening to anybody. He’s still push pushing his agenda.
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So when he revised it, what were the revisions, and why did he put those revisions in?
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So he started at, US Forest Service land and BLM land. Which would be how many acres,
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all told?
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Well, it would have been a possible, like, 500,000,000 acres area in 11 Western states, and I I sana to say it would have been two to 3,000,000 acres actually sold within five years. Sai you’re identifying out of 500,000,000, then you’re narrowing it down to two to 3,000,000 acres of forest service and BLM land.
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And then, you know, he says it’s for housing. It’s for housing. But a lot of that is nowhere near development. A lot of it’s nowhere near development and the language of the text even on the very last revision where he’s supposed to be listening to American peoples, and he did throw in the word hunters there.
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Hunters, I’m listening to you. It it says, like, bullet point one, must be near existing infrastructure. And then bullet point number seven, I think it was, was, like, or very hard far away and hard to manage. Right?
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Which is all the rest.
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Yeah. So, like, somewhere in between here.
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That’s so crazy. That’s such a crazy piece of language or far away and hard to manage. So all of it.
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Yeah. Exactly. Like, it just It’s so vague. He wants to get it through. And then there’s super fun language in there too where it’s like, okay. Right? If your first refusal is gonna be state, then local government, through tribes in there and then the only other group would have been landowners within the checkerboard pattern.
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How we have, like, that, you know, grid system of federal land ownership and and private land ownership, those landowners could also purchase more than anybody else would have been allowed to purchase. So state, local, then your, tribes and local landowners. So, basically, ai, a huge handout to, you know, like, you know, the corner crossing case that we’ve been talking about.
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Right? Iron Sai Holdings. They would have just purchased all those checkerboard pieces and would have been legally allowed to do that.
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Corner crossing to people. So what corner crossing is is, like, say if there’s an enormous piece of public land, but the only way you can get to it is to cross over a very small corner of private land. For the longest ai, that was prohibited and you would get arrested. You could. Yeah. You could get arrested for trespassing. Yeah.
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And we’re talking about, like, a couple of feet.
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Oh, not I mean, not we’re talking about something so small you can’t even possibly see it. Right? That’s that’s why it’s been it’s like a theory. Right? It’s it’s ai you for all the physics majors out there, right, it’s like that game of, like, well, how do you get someplace if you only go 50% of the way?
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Right? You’ll you keep going 505050%. It’s like a a theory. Whereas in reality, like, all it is is a footstep. Yeah.
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But you’re gonna cross that corner in a footstep, and we know where corners come together because it’s right here. But that theory thing is, like, well, the and then the airspace all the way down to the center of the Earth and to the heavens
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is how it’s written. The crazy thing is, like, you could legitimately do it in a hop. So you would never have stepped foot at all.
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Do you remember my 97 year old grandma who’s hooked up to an oxygen tank could have stepped across? Like, I mean, it’s we’re not talking about a feet Yeah. Of any sort.
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32:18
We’re not talking about, like, a football field that you have to cross. No. No. We’re talking about, like, a couple inches.
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Yep. Sai just like
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so nuts.
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Oh, it’s it’s infuriating is what it is. So just like on your your checkerboard at home, pick any four corners that come together where the two reds, imagine those are public and the two blacks are private. Here it is. There you go.
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32:40
Let me explain it right there. Yeah. So those little tiny spots in the corner, you were not supposed to cross. Right. Which is so crazy.
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Yes.
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That is so bananas that that was a real issue. Exactly. And look at this, no trespassing.
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Yeah. And so that’s really interesting.
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That’s the corner right there. Yeah. Isn’t that nuts? Ai, that little spot, no trespassing. That little tiny gate is all you need. Those two posts that are in the ground, those two signs to prevent people from accessing land that’s theirs. So that is where the corner is. Yep.
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33:15
So if you go through that little thing, that little area right there, you’re breaking the law, which is fucking insane.
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And now currently in the state of Ai, and I gotta give a a shout out to Wyoming backcountry hunters and anglers for for having the the spine and the backbone to, bring this help bring the people who were caught and prosecuted for Corner Crossing, you know, and support them financially. We did a ton of meh eater too to help that legal case. It went to the state court, then the supreme court, and then the ninth district court.
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And the last I heard is Iron Bar now wants to take it to you know, to the Supreme Court of the United States, SCOTUS, and have which is ultimately really good. We always joke that we’re gonna send all Fred Eshelman, the owner of Iron Bar, like a public landowner t shirt because he’s gonna make this stuff public for everybody, because it’s gonna be right now, there’s only two federal cases that have defined corner crossing.
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They’re both in favor of the people of The United States, so you can legally step across, shocking, I know, from one piece of public to the next piece of public. And then if and when this thing makes it to the Supreme Court, the only reason he hasn’t filed is because of this stuff with Mike Lee. Right?
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It would have solved all of his problems. He would have just purchased those checkerboard pieces of BLM land within his ranch boundaries and just been done with it.
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Yeah. Right.
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And and that’s a really there’s a lot of those pieces in a lot of states, and states actually fund the, ability to trespass for hunting on a lot of those landlocked pieces,
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in To create easements?
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Yep. Exactly. Yep. But and, you know, but it’s typically done through, like, the state wildlife agencies where you get an easement sai people can go out there as ai you got a conservation license, you can go hunt out there.
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Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com/jre. That’s better,help,.com/jre. Well, it’s it’s also today, I could imagine how a long time ago, you would get a lot of confusion, and it would lead to people trespassing accidentally on public land or on private land rather, because we’re looking at maps, you know.
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And people would be, you know, 100 yards to the left, a 100 yards to the right, and maybe not good navigators. Yep. But now, when you have things like like OnX. Go Hunt, OnX, Spartan Forge, all these apps that hunters use now that use GPS, you’re a 100% accurate.
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Yep. Ai, 100%
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accurate. And a lot of law
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enforcement agencies are using those same things. Mhmm. So they can be on the same page as the the hunter or access seeker or whatever you sana say.
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Super easy to follow. Yeah. Yeah. And there’s no worries at all about encroaching on private land.
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Yeah. And and also, it’s ai, what’s the harm? Right? Like, when you sue somebody, you have to establish what what the impact is, what the harm is. And in in these cases that went to the supreme courts, they’re like, well, what what are the damages? Right. Explain to me what the damages are. Right. Right?
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And they really can’t. Ai?
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38:06
There’s no damages. They just don’t want hunters on their property. People that have a lot of land for whatever reason, I guess it’s how they acquire a lot of land in the first place, a lot of them are fucking greedy. Well, there’s some greedy and cheap purchases.
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Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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But that’s a greedy thing. Like, I you you have 800 acres, and there’s this, like, little sliver. You know, like, no. Can’t have that? Mine. I know, man. Mine. And
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and then I mean, there’s absolutely wonderful humans on the spectrum. Oh, yeah. This dude, that I I grew up with, we guided on on parts of his place growing up. Ai when I got my first ever GPS and the Onyx was a a card that you inserted into your GPS. He used to come pick me up so I could open the gates for him, and then he’d just BS, and it was amazing.
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And we’d drive all over Eastern Montana all on his property, and and his name was Leo, Solf. Leo Solf. And and we came up to this fence line, and I was like I was like, Leo, did you know that this brand new fence is a 100 feet on your side of the property line. And this was a a whole section. Right? So it ran for a mile.
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And and he goes, Ryan, can’t own the whole world and just didn’t say another thing about it. Like, not worth me worrying about.
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39:38
Yeah. Well, how much how many acres did he have?
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Like, 30000%.
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39:41
That’s a rational gentleman. Yeah. Exactly. Right? Exactly. Somebody fucked up. But there’s people
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there’s people on the other side too, you know, and that’s ai that old rancher mentality of, like, you know what? There’s gonna be a ai, and we’re all gonna need to get together and help each other out, and maybe I’ll talk to him then about it. Or, you know, whatever, calving season, harvest season, all the things that bring those communities together. Mhmm.
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These very independent people, they gotta work together at different times of the year. And that’s, like, kind of a a beautiful thing. You can only be so much of a dick. Right. Right? Right.
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But then there’s that other side now where it’s, like, I’m gonna patrol my property from Florida via drone.
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40:26
Oh, god.
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And I’m gonna hot dial the sheriff’s department ai I see anything that looks like, stepping over that property line. Right? Whether it’s to fix a fence that I’m not there to fix or get your cattle off of my property, I’m calling the sheriff. Oh. And that that exists too. Sure. Right? Yeah. And there’s it’s that community breakdown, which is horrifying to me. But, also, man, like, people don’t understand the jobs that these lands do. Right?
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And, like you’re saying, like, the urban folks, where that state comes from, where their groceries come from, it it’s not the grocery store. Like, there should be an instructional video before you can enter the the supermarket, you know, because it takes space. It takes this land, and we think people think in terms of, like, oh, a million is a big number. Let’s say we do have 640,000,000 acres of public land.
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41:29
Right? Well, there’s ai 1,200,000,000 acres of land in The US set aside specifically for agriculture, and I think some, like, private timberland falls in that too. Right? So that’s that’s private land. 1,200,000,000 where the bulk of our food’s coming off, ideally.
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41:49
On the public land side of the fence, we have grazing leases, sai you can run cattle and sheep on on public ground. You you pay a a minimal, I would say, a very minimal fee for that. Right? And it’s based out off of an animal on that ground for a month, Animal unit month, AUM.
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And on our public ground, that’s ai a dollar I sana say it’s a dollar 35 per animal unit month. And just in the state of Montana, it just got dropped again, but it it hit as high as $24 animal unit month. So if you’re have those federal leases, it’s a big thing that you sana protect too. Right?
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42:44
So you have to, in theory, show that stewardship aspect out there on the on the public land because everybody can come check it out to retain your ability to keep running cattle out there or sheep or whatever it is. What what
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43:00
is going on with that American Prairie? Savannah. Yeah. The American Prairie thing.
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Yeah. So that’s in the home state of Montana. Sai, you know, I wish Explain
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that to people.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sai basically, the fear is it’s sana be a privatized national Park, that people aren’t gonna be able to go out on. Well, I don’t think that’s true. It might ai, but
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43:24
I don’t think it is explain what it is.
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It is a bunch of private philanthropic dollars, a lot of which is coming from overseas. I think the the Dutch have somehow, someway dumped a bunch of cash in there, and it is to connect a bunch of private land and, Bureau of Land Management land out there, BLM, into one contiguous chunk, remove as many fences as you can, and allow that chunk of prairie to basically revert back to its natural state with natural species, the American buffalo being, like, their their their big goal species.
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Right? They’re raising they’ve done an incredible job raising cash to get this done. They’re they’re purchasing these places. They would say at fair market value, there’s a big argument there because they have so much money. They’re they’re gonna win a bidding process.
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So is it really fair would is what the the local ranchers would say. But right now, and knock on wood, for as long as they exist, they’re gonna keep providing public access, and they have a really good public access program. So they they can work with the state of Montana for our private land public access program where, you know, you can sign up either at just like a kiosk type deal, sign in box, and walk out on their place.
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But then they have, like, yurts that you can ram, and they So
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the kiosk is just it’s just set up as you get there, and you you just put in your name and what time you go in there. And do you have to have any kind of ID that you put in there? Nothing?
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No. No. I mean, the state of Montana wanna ask for your license plate number, and your your home address and phone number, and that’s it. So, and then it’s I mean, they they have a lot of gorgeous ground. Honestly, you know, when we did our our big float in Montana Mhmm. They own, some of that property now that that runs right up to the Missouri.
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45:54
Ai right there around Cow Island is kinda where we took out real close to there. And they they own I mean, they own some of the stuff that we hiked around on.
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46:03
Oh, wow.
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Yeah. Yeah. But their their their vision is to have this big contiguous chunk and have it run, like, you know, pre European civilization here on the North American continent. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s I mean, it’s gorgeous stuff, and, they they provide for some, buffalo hunts out there.
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So you can draw a tag and, go out and shoot a yearling or an old bull. And they give you it’s not like a hand hold thing.
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When they say an old bull, how do
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you determine? Just by sheer size. Just size.
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Yeah. So you have to be experienced. You have to know what you’re doing.
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Yeah. And they’ll they’ll give you some some classes and some pointers, but they don’t hold your hand and say, hey, come shoot this one. Right. It’s like, here’s this information.
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Mhmm.
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Return it when you’re done. Rules of the ram, all that stuff. Go through this gate. Enjoy it. Leave it how’s how you found it type of thing.
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So and
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and I’ve I’ve never done it myself, but people have had really fantastic experiences out there doing that. And obviously, that’s an absolute shitload of meat. Right?
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47:26
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And if they do that widespread, like, what is the ultimate goal? Like, how much land are we talking about? And, like, are they bringing animals in or are they allowing the existing animals to bryden? And, like, how are they doing it?
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Sai, yes to allowing the existing animals to breed and yes to bringing the animals in. So, they’re coming out of the, I think, the Yellowstone population more than anything. And then they work with the the local tribes up there to kind of bring those animals in and some go to the tribe and then some go stay on the prairie, I think is how it goes.
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And then the reason that they’re allowing for these old bulls to be shot is because they’re no they’re no longer breeding. Right.
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48:19
Yep. It’s interesting. Have you you ever read Dan Flores’s piece on American Ai? Yeah. The Buffalo diplomacy? What it was it Buffalo ecology, Buffalo diplomacy? I was the
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I read the American Serengeti. That one. Yeah.
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48:35
Yeah. That’s great too. The what his theory is, and I think it’s valid, that the time where they saw millions of buffalo was because the Native Americans had been wiped out by disease. This is the the idea is that there was never a time where there were that many bison. Yeah.
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48:56
And then the reason why there were that many bison was because the Native Americans weren’t hunting them anymore because they were 90% of them were wiped out by disease. That’s why when they, you know, made their way across and Ai guess it was like the early eighteen hundreds.
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Oh, like Lewis and Clark.
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Yeah. When they saw millions and millions of bison, the reason for that
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Was that human predator population was Exactly. Was in a trough.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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And it allowed the the bison to be in a spike.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we completely makes sense.
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Oh, it totally makes sense. Yeah. Because, yeah, we always have those conversations about, like, when would be the best time to go back if you could. Right? And, and also how could it be that that big total buffalo population number that always gets thrown out there was really on the landscape?
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Right. Like, why wasn’t there a balance of predator and prey where there always is if it was really natural? Mhmm. Right? It does make sense.
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Oh, it totally I mean, humans have been stirring the pot forever. That’s why it drives me insane when people are ai, well, before people.
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Yeah. Fuck.
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I’m like, well What are you talking about? One that doesn’t get us anywhere right now.
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Right. Before people is the dumbest fucking argument ever. They were here first. Well, this is the argument they use with wolves, you know, like they were here first. Like, shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. Stop. Stop. No, they weren’t. First of all, I love people. Okay? I’m only concerned with when people were around.
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50:27
So before people, fuck off. You wanna kill all the people off so the wolves can run things? Like, what are you even saying?
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Right. What are we gonna learn from a prehuman time? Doesn’t make any sense.
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And there was obviously some sort of an imbalance that led to these enormous populations of bison. And I think Dan Flores is an incredibly brilliant guy. I think he makes a really compelling argument because we do know that the Native Americans were wiped out, that ninety percent of them were killed off by disease.
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50:54
We know that that’s we’re talking about millions of people. And if millions of people were subsistent hunters and, you know, they were riding around, living off the buffalo following them around, which we know they did completely make sense. Especially when you take into account the long gestation period, you know, that ai, I think they have to be pregnant for a long time. Right?
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51:14
Well, I don’t know about that one. But Woolly mammoth, I know, is a long time. I’m sure it was because, yeah, that
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was like African elephants. Yeah.
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Ai wonder
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what is a for a long time.
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What is a buffalo gestation period? Nine months. So ai a person. Yeah. Yeah. Very different than ai a deer. Very different than a lot of other animals.
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Ai mean, it it’s badass seeing those things out there. Ai, I mean, it it really really is because there’s some party ai your whatever people call it these days, your lizard brain or whatever
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Yeah.
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Where, like, you know that that’s their home. Right? And then you see that thing on that landscape and something just clicks and you’re like, holy shit, man. Pretty cool. Oh, it’s it’s amazing. It really It’s pretty
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cool just to see him in Yellowstone. Yeah. You know, which is kind of weird. But, yeah, the Yellowstone thing is weird. I I went there a few years back with my family and it’s really beautiful and I enjoyed it, but I did not like the fact that all the elk were hanging out at the visitor station.
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You’re right.
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Because they know they can’t be hunted there and they know the wolves won’t go there. It was real weird. They’re, like, so domesticated. They’re just, like, 30 yards away from a fucking vending machine.
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Yeah.
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You see this big herd of elk just laying down on the ground, staring at people, and people taking selfies with the
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Yeah.
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Animals. I’m like, Ai don’t know about this. I know.
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I know. Yeah. Habituated as shah, as a lot of my biologist friends would say. Mhmm. Yeah. It’s the national park system, right, is like it’s a absolute wonderful thing. I know there’s lots of dedicated civil servants within the national park system that bust their asses educating folks, but they just can’t keep up.
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Have you ever seen the the Instagram page, Torons of Yellowstone?
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Yeah. Yep. Doing God’s work right there.
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53:12
Yeah. Darwin in action. If you go to it, sai, like, people are just getting launched through the air by bison. Yeah. And, god, how do they not know by now? I mean, how do you not know that you can’t get caught?
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Because of the exact exact thing you’re describing. They’re like, oh, it’s on the tour. Right. Right? Yeah. It’s ai it’s fortunately, they’ve trained the bison to stand right next to the visitor information sign or the bull elk or whatever. Right? It’s like this just is the way it’s supposed to be.
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53:45
And then they’ll walk right up to it to try to get a selfie. Yeah. It’s fucking here’s one. Oh, wow.
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Nothing happens
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here besides this. They’re just close. Close. Well, that that is Yeah. Or a
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half in the middle.
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53:57
Fucking way that guy should be standing there. No. If I was that guy, I would be in that car as fast as I could. I’ll climb into the passenger ai. Like, fuck this. Because danger. Do not approach wildlife.
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54:10
I went, up to watch the the bison hunting season there in Yellowstone and the the gardener entrance, south or north entrance to the park. And a bunch of the tribes were down doing their harvest. And I was riding with Montana Fish, Wildlife, and Parks. Gotta do a little ride along, and it was the most successful hunt they’ve ever had. So this was three years ago now. Tons of snow in the park.
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Some old cow bison decided to just lead everybody out, and there’s, like, hunt rosters. So you draw your your Bison tag, but then you can also be on a list in case those tags get filled, which they never do. But this this year, it did happen, and then, all the tribes came up for their harvest, and it was amazing. Like, there were people knocking buffalo down everywhere.
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And, in fact, so many that they had to come up with a system to where they’d be like, okay. Between daylight and, like, 9AM, nobody’s gonna walk beyond this line. Let every because let everybody shoot, and then we’ll all go out together and start cutting up bison and and get them out of there, and then the next round of hunters can can have at it.
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It was like a safety issue.
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55:36
Oh. Yeah. Yep. Is this actually on the park?
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55:40
No. So this is it’s called the Zone Of Tolerance, which is a creepy, creepy name if if you’re asking me. Zone Of Tolerance. So all the states, Idaho, Montana, Ai, that surround Yellowstone National Park, they have the cattle producers have real fears of brucellosis, which is a disease that that bison and elk, pack around, and it causes domestic cattle to abort calves.
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So hurts them in the pocketbook, bad deal. Well, they want slash need to reduce bison populations within the park, can’t hunt inside the park, but at the same time, all the cattlemen associations, they don’t want those bison coming out of the park. So what do you do? Well, they came up with the zone of tolerance idea, which is a hunting parameter perimeter around the park.
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56:44
They remove all the domestic cattle from within that zone, and then the bison, if they come out of the park into that zone, they’re fair game for hunters. If they make it beyond that zone somehow, some way, then anybody can shoot one. And, but but typically, there’s ai a brand inspector there to take care of any bison that make it beyond the border of the the zone of tolerance.
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57:13
What do you mean by brand inspector? What does that mean?
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Cattle brand.
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Oh.
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Yep. Yep.
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So how does that work?
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Well, so he’s an agent of the state. Uh-huh. And he is there to, in this particular case, like, protect the interest of of the, cattlemen’s associations, cattle ranchers. Right? And so, yeah, somehow, someway, he’s authorized to whack those bison as if they make it beyond. But really what And
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what do they do with the meat?
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It gets donated to any one of those those tribal members that that’s there probably has right of first refusal at least. If not, it goes would go straight to the food pantry. Yeah. Ai mean, no no waste. And in years past, there’s been groups that go up there, just to go pull all anything that’s left in the field, the bones, stuff like that for making stock.
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There’s groups that go up there and and literally, like, take the carcasses off the ground, because it is, like, highly sought after food stuff. Right? It’s a lot of bone broth you can make with a 2,000 pound critter. Mhmm. Yep. Wow. Yeah.
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So that was an amazing experience, and and, like, the each tribe brings their own tribal game warden with them. They’re kinda, like, in charge of their people. They’re coordinating to maximize the the harvest, and, so they’re they’re helping, very willing to help people, like, coordinate to to get their animal and get out of the field so they can get the next person in there.
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And that’s that’s part of the system outside of trapping. So they trap inside the park, and then they’ll take those animals, move them to a separate facility where they go through, Ai can’t remember how long of a period of monitoring for brucellosis. And then once that herd is the trapped herd is considered brucellosis free, then they can be given to the tribes or sold. Interesting.
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So that sai that’s how when people have bison on private land, that’s how they get them there?
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I mean, there’s a couple other populations, but yeah. Yep. That’s one of them.
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And what’s the population of bison in The United States now?
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I don’t know. I mean, I think they’re gunning for 6,000 just inside the park.
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What do they have now?
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Oh, I don’t know. Jamie, you’d have to look that up.
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Weird. Oh, I don’t know. It says estimated at around 500,000, smaller portion, 31,000 managed, And then, like, $6 in Yellowstone.
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Yeah. Meh. There it is.
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Very varying numbers though. Boy, they came so close to being wiped out.
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Oh, it’s so wild. It’s so
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It really is crazy.
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So wild. I was staring at, I was like, Jeff, what’s the deal with this skull? Your bison antiquus skull that you have out there? Meh. Yeah. That thing is Yeah. Amazing.
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That’s from my friend John Reeves in Alaska. Yeah.
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I was wondering yeah. I was wondering Do you
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know about the Boneyard? Yeah. Do you know about that place? Oh, yeah. That place is nuts.
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For a dude who likes to pick stuff off the ground? Yeah. That’s, that’s ai a porn page.
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Oh, yeah. It’s a it’s a crazy place. And then there’s no real population of dead animals in this one spot. You know, and he thinks it’s connected to the Younger Ai theory. Because there’s a very clear, distinct line of carbon in his ground. Like that, you know, when you’d go deep deep deep into the ground, which represents where these ai, a lot of these things that he’s pulling, they’re plus 10,000 years old.
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Ai, that that step bison head, we didn’t get it checked. We didn’t have it sent off. But Yeah. A lot of stuff he has dated, you know, older than 10,000 years. And so what he thinks is that this is one of the areas where there was an impact. You know, this Younger Dryas Impact Theory, there’s two time periods.
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One is around 11,800 years ago, and then there’s another one somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago. And, he thinks one of those areas is where he was, where where his spot in Alaska is. And this deep rich layer of carbon seems to indicate some massive burn that happened through that arya, and it coincides with this, immense pile of bones and ivory and and, you know, mammoth skeletons and cave bears and all this shah.
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Like, it’s a small area. You know, his area is only ai the area where they’re pulling these bones from is only a few acres. No way. Yeah. He thinks it was a wash. So with the impact came this immediate, melting of a lot of the the ice caps, you know.
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And this is what they think happened that ended the ice age in North Meh. You know, ten thousand plus years ago, you’re looking at more than a mile high ice in a giant chunk of North America. And then, almost instantaneously, that stuff gets melted. And this is this coincides with Randall Carlson’s theories about this too, which are also was unsubstantiated until they came up with the core samples for the younger dry sand bacteria and they go, no.
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This happened. Like, there there was a fucking massive impact somewhere around 30% of the entire world was hit by comets. And, this area where John has look at this. 2.1 to 2.3 acres. So if you look at the amount of stuff that he has, I mean, 2.3 acres is like a nice yard. Right?
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It’s like a nice a person’s really oh, you got a nice piece of land here. Nice yard. Yeah. That’s where he’s pulling thousands of dead animals. Yeah.
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And if you look at his his boneyard, if you look at some of the, some of the warehouses that he has, this is his Instagram page. Boneyard Alaska is the Instagram page. But he’s got enormous warehouses filled with tusks, and it’s only from a couple acres.
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Yeah. So they didn’t walk to that spot and tip over. They got Exactly. They all got Collected there.
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Into there.
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Yep. Yeah. Exactly.
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And very similar time period. Look at all this stuff, man. Fucking crazy. And look back at the other picture when you right before look at that truck filled with heads. I mean, this is nuts, man. Oh. And this is ai a day’s haul. Oh. This is crazy, man. It’s really crazy. Oh. It’s really pretty extraordinary.
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And thankfully, John has both the resources and the desire to, blast the permafrost with these high pressure hoses to get all the stuff out of there. But I mean, he’s trying to set up a legitimate research facility out there. You know, these scientists, they wanna take the stuff and bring it somewhere.
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He’s ai, fuck off. If you wanna do it, you’re gonna do it right here. This is my land. We’re we’re not he already had a problem with the museum, Museum of Natural History. Is that what it was? Yeah.
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In New York, they dumped tons of his bones into the East River. So the property that he owned before he owned it, someone else owned it, that is his property. They took it, and they were supposed to do research on it, but they had so many bones that they dumped a lot of it in the East River.
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And the museum denied it, and so he got divers to go look for it, and they found it exactly where they start. And they found step bison bones, and all kinds of crazy shit that’s not supposed to be
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there No.
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In a pile
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in the East River. When we were looking at the the the zone of, Tolerance. Not the zone of tolerance, the the range, sorry, of of bison, of ai. I was thinking of your skull that you have out there, but I found a a gorgeous one in this wash in Alberta. And it would would be ai their summer range, so North Of Montana border, not all that far, up near the Saskatchewan River breaks.
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And you get up on these these bluffs that overlook the river, and you’re like, oh, you just feel like somebody would have been sitting there watching stuff. And then if you look around, there’s all I mean, thousands over a lot of miles, but thousands of tipi rings. So all the tribes would go up there to hunt bison and and camp out, a little bit of cooler weather, and that’s that’s where I found this bison skull.
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Did you find the arrowheads up there?
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There’s a ton of them, but you can’t can’t take anything up there. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And I called Alberta Fish and Game on this thing because I was so stoked about it. And, they’re like, oh, we just consider that cattle up here. They’re like, you can take it. Ai, okay. Wow. Yeah.
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Yep. How old is the skull? Do you know?
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Well, it was such a pretty skull. People were like, oh, it’s gotta be bison antiquus, but it’s just it’s nowhere near that’s ama is that a freshie? Did somebody make that or no?
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No. No way. No. That’s a Comanche head from here.
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That’s crazy.
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Yeah. I showed it to Ram and he said it’s really big, so they’re probably using it for fish. Wow. Yeah. That’s amazing. It’s interesting that the bigger ones ai that is like kind of an normal arrowhead for elk or deer. Ai, if in Mhmm. You know, today’s standards, you know, if you look at that, that’s like that looks like an iron wheel. That’s basically an iron wheel wide. Right?
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Yeah.
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And they didn’t use them that big. They had smaller ones because they didn’t have the much that much power. They
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wanted real penetration. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Pretty cool.
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Oh, so cool. So cool.
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There’s a a friend of mine ai a ranch out here and they’ve got thousands of them. You know, ai, the Comanche must have used that area and he has literally thousands and thousands of arrowheads. He’s got boxes of them all just all of them are dated and ai, like, they know, like, what time period they came from.
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And yeah. So, like, why was that chunk of ground in use for that long. Right? Yeah. If he’s got that many Yeah. It’s not because one group of people camped there for a couple of days.
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01:07:39
Those thousands of years probably. And both because it’s really rich, you know, it’s ai it’s right off the Colorado River. So a lot lot of resources, sai lot of lot of foliage, a lot of animals there to this day.
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Yep. Yeah. That’s one of the things, that you can tell people. It’s like, do you want you wanna know why public lands matter? 97% of winter vegetables consumed in The US that are from The US are irrigated by the Colorado River. 97%. So if your mommies and daddies are out there eating a nice green salad in the winter months, all that is fed by water from public land. Wow.
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Like, do we want that shit to be privatized? Right. Yeah. Like, what happens then? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, Bill Gates already owns more farmland in this country than anybody.
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You know, I keep hearing that. Is he doing good stuff with it?
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There’s no way. No? No. There’s no way. I can’t imagine that.
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What’s his angle?
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01:08:45
Well, I know he was in the the fucking veggie burger business for a while, but that shit went tits up.
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Dude, I am so anti anti. The lab grown and and yeah.
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01:08:56
Well, that stuff’s not even a real burger. It’s filled with seed oils and all these fucking all this goo that you need to make sure that it connects even tell the difference. You can’t tell the difference? Where are you getting your burgers? Because you’re you’re eating cardboard burger. This is bullshit.
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Well
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And it’s just bad for you. You know, that that’s where it went tits up when they those studies that came out that said it’s given lab rats cancer.
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Oh. Yeah. Well, Ai listen. I think it’s just bad for all of us because if people think that your food can come from some place other than the land Yeah. Then there’s no value to that land.
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01:09:39
Well, it’s vegetable based. Right? But then it’s highly processed. It’s not like, you know, you’re eating an eggplant, you know, you’re not eating a squash. You’re you’re eating something that’s gone through this insane process to make pretend that it’s a burger. And, you know, there’s a lot of investors who lost a shit ton of money because they were lied to.
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They were told that this is gonna be easy to make and it’s gonna be really convenient and people arya gonna love it and people are looking for an alternative to meat. No. They’re actually, they’re not, you know. And this is the only thing that was my buddy, Duncan, he’s living in North Ai.
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And when COVID came and, you know, there was a lot of shortages in the supermarkets and the lockdowns and all that jazz, he’s ai, the only shit that’s available here is this fucking bullshit fake meat. Like, fake meat was the only he took he sent a picture. It was the only thing left on the shelf was, like, Beyond Meat or Beyond Burger or whatever the fuck it’s called, Impossible Burger.
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Yeah. That’s a good litmus test, right?
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Yeah.
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Exactly. If the world’s gonna end. And nobody wants What are you reaching for?
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01:10:43
People still aren’t eating it. It’s fucking it’s actually bad for you. Seed oils are bad for you. And those things are filled with seed oils. And there’s also filled with a bunch of process, because you can’t just it’s not you know, like, if you sana be vegetarian, just eat vegetables. Okay?
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Don’t don’t pretend you’re eating some fucking fake burger.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, one of my biggest pet peeves in life, a buddy of mine was, like, going down the vegan train, and we had to stop in all these towns that had, like, the best vegan restaurant. And I’m like, they’re they’re stealing our names for food.
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Right.
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The meat eaters name for food and Tofurky. Oh ai god. Yeah. And be ai, chicken fingers, Reuben sandwich. Yeah. You
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know? And and I’m
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like, can’t you just be proud of what you’re putting in your in your body? I don’t care if it’s just vegetables, but
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01:11:34
Just eat Indian food. There’s a lot of, like, really great Indian restaurants that are totally vegetarian. I used to eat at one that was in Woodland Hills. It was great. It was really cool because you’d go in there and everyone was speaking Hindi. Nobody, you know, the all of the like, it was like a cafeteria place and all the menus were all in another I had a point at things.
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I didn’t know what the fuck it was. I’m like, give me one of those. Let’s try.
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01:11:56
That tasted great.
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01:11:57
That was great. Yeah. Yeah. But it was all vegetarian. Like, there’s vegetarian food that you can eat that’s really good. It doesn’t you don’t have to pretend that it’s a fucking burger.
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01:12:06
It it is a a mental exercise. Right? Vatsal ai, no. No. No. Love vegetables. Can’t eat meat. Meat’s evil. I just happen to need all my vegetables to resemble meat.
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01:12:18
Well and then there’s the problem of what actually happens when you have monocrop agriculture, because this is a lot of this stuff is coming from that. And by the way, there’s way more death per saloni of food that you get from monocrop agriculture, from growing just one crop in an area than you’re ever gonna get from meat.
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Like, there’s thousands of animals, millions of animals have to get killed in for in order you to grow this food. That’s just a fact of life.
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Oh, you used the word convenience earlier. Right? Like, convenience is, like, the killer of conservation. Mhmm. Because it it’s hard work, man. It’s not convenient. Like, these animals on the landscape that have been doing been doing things for ever. Mhmm. Like, they just don’t adjust to things.
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You know,
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I was talking about, like, the the the prairie, how we’re losing 2,000,000 acres of prairie a year. Well, there’s this super badass little chicken, lesser prairie chicken, super charismatic little dude dances, puts his tail fan up, big cheek flares, and, game bird used to be in the possibly into the millions in that that time that you described when Lewis and Clark were were coming out onto the prairie.
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01:13:35
It is a prairie bird to the point where it will not nest within, Ai got I sana say six acres of a vertical structure of any size. Interesting. Ai? So there are no trees on the prairie, no fence posts, and this bird can’t nest if it’s around any sort of a vertical anything. Ai, because that’s just the way its brain is wired. Wow. And that shit is so inconvenient for people that, it’s just hit the endangered species list.
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01:14:15
So is that because it has to be completely away from all predators that has to know where everything is? I think it’s gotta be it’s gotta be something like that. Yeah. So it doesn’t fly? It does fly. Does it fly like a chicken does, like short periods? No.
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01:14:30
Or does it fly like a turkey?
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There’s ai a colloquial, you know, hunter name where they just call prairie birds chickens. It’s not a chicken at all, but it’s it’s like a little grouse species.
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What does
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it look like? Let me
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see if you can pull it
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up. Yeah. So, but it’s a great test case for the greater sage grouse.
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01:14:53
A cool looking little animal. Oh. So Which one is it? All the sai. We can’t tell.
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01:14:59
It’s the it’s a smaller version of that. That’s the greater prairie chicken. We’re looking for the lesser prairie chicken.
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01:15:05
Sai the greater prairie chicken, how big is
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that? You’re looking at ai 16 to 18 ounces, I bet. You got a size on that sucker?
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01:15:19
That’s the big one. So the little one’s tiny.
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But 95% of the native habitat left for that bird is on private ground at this point.
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Oh, wow. Yep.
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And that private ground is used for grazing.
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01:15:36
So 24 ounces to 42 ounces. Oh, that’s a big one. Adults.
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There you go.
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That’s the greater prairie chicken. Let me do the lesser. Oh. What a cool looking little bird. Oh, charisma. When I was in,
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This guy’s got ears.
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Oh, woah. That’s crazy looking.
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Rabbit ears.
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Yeah. How weird.
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There’s this awesome group of ranchers kinda in the, Colorado, Oklahoma, New Mexico zone, and they they formed the Lesser Prairie Chicken Landowner Alliance. And what they’ve been trying to do is get because there’s this this huge conservation bill biggest conservation package in the world called the ai bill, and it has a lot of incentive subsidy for
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It is fucking farmers.
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Isn’t that thing amazing?
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I’ve never seen a bird with ears like that. Ai, other than, like, an owl kinda has them, but those are so pronounced.
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How cool is that thing?
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01:16:39
Is that his actual ears? Or is that just ai a weird feather structure?
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01:16:43
Those are just feathers. Yeah.
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But where’s his ears?
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Behind that? They’re right behind his eyeballs.
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So do you think those that feather structure enhances hearing? I mean, it has to. Right?
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No. That feather structure is there is to enhance his sex life.
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Oh, let the ladies know. What’s up? Yeah. What’s up? Look at my ears, baby. Ai got it going on over here. Do they wiggle them or something? Oh, they’re they dance. Interesting. Yeah. And so it’s almost kind of a grouse. So it’s
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01:17:13
a frog. A grouse.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ground nesting.
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Yep. Meh. It’s
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probably also one of those animals that feral cats fuck up.
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Oh, for sure. Yeah. For sure.
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Oh, wow. Look how cool it is. Wow. So beautiful looking. Look at his eyebrows. Oh, yeah. I don’t know. Don’t get it on. Let’s go, baby. Yeah. Look at that guy’s cock blocking. See that? Wow. What a cute little animal.
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Yeah. And, this thing is tied to wide ass open ram, wide ass open prairie.
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Mhmm.
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Right? And so, what this group, the Lesser Prairie Chick Landowner Alliance, is doing is, you know, they’re trying to get folks in the Department of Ag to set up some some funding specifically for grassland ecosystems that are used for grazing. So it’s gonna be good for the round rancher and and good for the grouse in this case too. Right?
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And that funding doesn’t exist, but there’s lots of programs to take, like, monocrop agriculture and turn it into CRP, which, you know, mixed ram, basically, like, rest that ground. That was one of the the programs that came out of the dust bowl era. So instead of turning the ground over and all that dirt dries out and can get blown away, we lose that topsoil Mhmm.
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01:18:47
Plant it with with grass and let it rest for, like, a three year period, a five year period, part of our, like, big ag incentive structures, balance out markets and all that fun stuff.
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01:19:00
Yeah. Monocrop agriculture is such a problem and industrial agricultural in general. I had, Will Harris on a couple of times from, White Oaks Pastures.
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Yeah.
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And so his family farm was an industrial farm forever. And then when he took it over, it was ai a twenty year period of converting it to become regenerative. And in that process, what’s really if you look outside, in our, lobby area, we have two jars of soil that were given to us by Will.
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01:19:33
And one of them is from his neighbor’s property that’s an industrial farm, And it’s just ai this weird pale looking fucking just, you know, it’s all industrial fertilizer that they have to use and pesticides
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ai all
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that shit. And his is ai this rich dark sai. He’s ai super proud of, like, what they’ve turned it and converted it over to. You know, just this natural process that’s supposed to exist when animals graze, the undulates they poop, and they make manure, and then the grasses grow, and the animals eat the ram.
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And it’s all that’s how it’s supposed to be and we’ve
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But you know what else it is? Inconvenient. Yeah. It’s hard freaking work.
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01:20:13
Oh, yeah. Right? It’s hard work. Well, fortunately for him, he’s got a big name now, and so people seek out his food. Yeah. They sana to buy from him. But, you know, these and there’s a lot of, like, bullshitting from supermarkets. Like, he had a real issue with Whole Foods lying and even after he had stopped selling them food, they were they were saying that it was coming from him.
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Oh. Yeah. No.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah.
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01:20:40
Even the concept of, like, grass fed, like, for how long? Like, and how you feed them the grass? Are they in a pen where you feed them the grass? Are they actually wandering around eating grass? Like, they’re supposed to? A lot there’s a lot of that, you know, ai, when you hear about, like, chickens, you know, they’re, free range. Like, what what does that mean? Yeah.
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Like, how much of a range?
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01:20:59
I just had, dinner with our buddy Jesse last ai, and it was insane. It was so good. Ai Dewey.
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01:21:07
Oh, yeah. That’s an amazing restaurant here.
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Oh, but we were just I was like, okay. Well, tell me about this. Tell me about, you know, Mhmm. Longhorn and what Wagyu means on his menu and Right. And all the the pigs and the things that he’s seeking out Mhmm. And, like, the breed of chicken that they have. But, like you were saying, like, it’s not just the breed. What what’s that chicken doing? Right. And it’s insane. It is so freaking cool, man.
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Like, it’s a heartwarming place to eat, and it was just, like, knock your freaking socks off.
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01:21:42
Yeah. Jesse does it the right way, and he’s such a good chef. He’s so amazing. He when Steve and I, went to, Eutoria down Mhmm. In South Texas to hunt, Jesse came, and he he cooked for us. It’s the most incredible experience because and he cooked diver duck, which everybody says is gross. Right.
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01:22:00
Ai like, no, no, no. This is just you just have to prepare it properly. And it was some of the best duck I’ve ever had in my life. He just has a marinating process that he does, and then he grills it. And it was insane. It was so good, man. It was so good.
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Yeah. They I mean, they got nominated for James Beard on his turkey book, which is super awesome. The people down there just you know, his employees stay there. They’ve been there for they’re like, everybody in that house has been there for a decade, and they they they’re just loving the stuff that they’re doing and putting out and, the stories that he can tell on that menu.
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01:22:39
Right? Like, the bread. Right. Is, he’s like, yeah. I went and picked grapes out of the alley across the street, which doesn’t sound all that great, but that’s how he, like, started the yeast for the bread, and that’s been going for six years.
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01:22:53
They got yogurt that came from a culture that’s been going from, for two hundred years from, one of their employees whose family’s from India, and they brought it over. Woah. Yeah. I mean, just I love that stuff. Yeah. I love that stuff, but it takes, like, dedication and commitment to know where your food comes from. Right. Right?
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01:23:17
Yeah.
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01:23:18
And I swear to god, when I go back to DC and I’m talking to people, like, they arya so disconnected from this stuff. And I just often think. I’m like, god, if you guys just knew where the food comes from
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01:23:31
Right.
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01:23:31
What the land actually provides Yeah. We wouldn’t be having these conversations.
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01:23:37
No. I meh, human beings for the most part in urban areas are completely disconnected. If you had a a survey of how many people really understand where food comes from in your average city, I I would imagine to less than double digits.
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01:23:52
Oh, yeah.
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01:23:53
This is probably a small percentage of people really understand.
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01:23:57
Yeah, man. I mean I mean, the economics of food, I’ve gotten really into, recently because there is a real inability in certain areas of the country where the cost of getting anywhere near an actual grocery store is prohibitive to a lot of people. And so, you know, they’re just like they’re shit out of luck for for a real food.
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01:24:26
And then it’s a cultural thing of mom didn’t know what real food was, dad didn’t know what real food was, So I don’t, and my kids won’t. Right. You know? And and then on the flip side of that, it’s ai food comes from DoorDash. Food comes through you know? Yeah. People spending big bucks Yeah.
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01:24:46
And they don’t and they’re just as disconnected as the folks who don’t have any bucks to spend.
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01:24:51
Now imagine the Younger Ai impact today. Imagine some kind of impact like that today that force people to actually find their own food. You know, first of all, you’d be dealing with a small amount of survivors. Right? Let’s let’s imagine an apocalypse apocalyptic scenario where twenty percent of the population survives, which is probably happened numerous times in human history.
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01:25:16
If that happened today, how many people are equipped to find food? How many people are equipped to live off the land?
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01:25:24
It’s such a small amount, man. Such a small amount. I also Such a
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01:25:28
small amount.
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01:25:29
Think about the anthropologists digging through that bone ai.
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01:25:33
Oh, yeah.
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01:25:34
And they’re like, why is it that when we do cross sections of these bones, they’re so much more unhealthy than than the cross sections of the bones from four thousand years earlier.
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01:25:47
I know.
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01:25:47
Or late you know? Yeah. Meh.
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01:25:49
Because I think that’s Convenience.
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01:25:51
Convenience. Sai, we
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01:25:53
love our convenience. Convenience is killing us.
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01:25:55
Yeah. Yeah. And I think there’s a moment here. We had all these different walks of life come together and be like, oh meh god. Public lands matter. We had all these businesses come together and say public lands matter. I gotta tell you, when I was, chatting with, our buddy Ram Haynes the other day, when Ai was about to be disconnected for a week. Right?
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01:26:20
And I’ve been, like, eating and breathing this this fight this stupid lawsuit that came out, last year. Then, it’s in the house. Oh my god. We get it pulled out of the house. Thank god. Then it goes to the senate.
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01:26:38
Oh ai Mike Lee introduces the damn thing in the senate, sneaks his language in, blindsides everybody, and I gotta get on a plane to go to the Arctic. And there’s this little, like, bellwether moment where I look at I make, like, a last Instagram post, last thing I can do, and I see Cameron Haynes is ai, you guys, you gotta get off your asses and and call your senators.
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01:27:11
They’re selling our public land. And the same day, Josh Smith from Montana Ai Company did it too. And I bring those two guys up as examples because they were also, ai, like, on the the mega train. Right? They were, like, pro Trump in through the election.
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01:27:35
They’re representing the the right side of the political spectrum. And when that moment happened, I did draw, like, a little little breath of relief right there. I was like, okay.
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01:27:48
And people that aren’t afraid to criticize aspects of the big beautiful bill.
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01:27:52
Yeah. Ai. Yeah. Yeah. And and they’re not afraid to say, yeah. We voted for this guy, but this part of the the pie sucks. It’s super important to us that this gets pulled out of here, and we’re gonna go to go to the mat for it. And I’m like, that is that is the thing. Right? We have people who aren’t so self conscious that they’re like, oh god. I said this thing a month ago.
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01:28:24
I can’t come out and say what I really think right now because ai would kinda contradict what I said a month ago.
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01:28:30
Right. Right.
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01:28:32
And that gave meh, like, really, really made me feel good. I’m like, okay. Things are are starting to go our way now because all the other people who were afraid to say the same thing were ai, oh, thank God some other people with a big microphone came out and said it. So now I feel emboldened to stand up publicly for what I believe in. Yeah.
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01:28:59
It’s such a terrible thing to be so trapped in the ideology of your party that you can’t stand up for what’s right. That’s that’s gross.
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01:29:06
Yeah, man. And and it is So un American. And it’s being promoted though too. Like, one of the things Sai feel when I go back to DC is there’s a lot of people spending time on making sure, not that America is better, but that that system persists. Sai the next next generation, a short, short little boat shoe, no sock wearing people can have jobs.
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01:29:32
Yeah. Those boat shoes. Yeah. It’s gross. It’s really gross and it’s, prevalent, you know. It’s been around for a long ai, this this weird system that we have. They’re they’re it’s it’s not effective. It’s not good. It’s not good for anybody. And and it’s all being fed by lobbyists and special interest groups, and they’re all just they wanna keep it going. They wanna keep the the grift going.
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01:29:57
But there I mean, there’s there’s palpable frustration out there. Like, I feel it every day. A long time ago, you told me. You’re like, dude, don’t don’t read the meh section. And you’re a thousand percent right. I can’t say how right you arya, but during this time of, like, why aren’t people clicking into this?
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01:30:19
Right.
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01:30:20
I was getting real depressed, like, shaking, pissed, tears at times over feeling so underrepresented. And then when we started gaining momentum, I was like, okay. What the hell else can I do? I’m calling my senators. I’m calling my representatives. I’m I’m establishing contacts with their staff.
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01:30:45
I’m I’m talking to them about how important this is. I’m asking them what else we can do. Ai to build these bridges for this goal of protecting my public lands that I love. Right? We’re working with all these nonprofit groups are coming together, even groups that traditionally don’t focus on public land access issues, you know, like your Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation who has done a bunch of stuff for access, but, you know, they have an elk on their logo.
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01:31:14
They’re they’re they’re the elk people. And then pheasants and quail forever, they’re the pheasants and quail people. National Wild Turkey Federation, they’re the turkey people. But they started being like, uh-oh. This is real serious.
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01:31:25
And then we started getting all these people in the same room together sharing information instead of being competitive, and then businesses started coming out and saying, well, what what can we do? Little little breweries down, in Arizona. This guy, Renn House Brewing, called me, and he’s like, hey. What what what can I do? I have a brewery.
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01:31:51
What can I do? And we came out with a beer that has a QR code on the label, and it’s just called rep because at that time, the the fight was in the house. So call your representative, and you hit the QR code. You put in your your ZIP code, and it connects you with your representative. Mhmm. Right?
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01:32:10
It’s like crush beers and crush the phone ai, whatever tag you want up to I was on I’m on a steering committee that has REI, Patagonia, Rivian, all, like, big big companies, right, that are like, we we wanna put some muscle behind this. We want public lands to sai public. Then we launched a Hunt Brands for Public Lands Coalition and had a huge name. Sig Sauer is on there. Right?
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01:32:44
They have military contracts, and they have the guts to stand up and be like, we don’t sana see public lands get sold off.
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01:32:52
That’s awesome.
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01:32:52
Yep. Weatherby, another firearms manufacturer, you know, First Light Meteor, obviously. But we started, like, building all these bridges and unifying groups and people and businesses around this common cause. And it’s that public persistence that that we, the people, part that folks kinda tend to forget, that is literally saving public lands, but, like, being out there public and loud.
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01:33:29
And it’s working, but we need to take it to the next step, right, and maintain the momentum and stay unified. And the the thing that was really interesting, right, is, like, we’re up to up to date, up to the absolute second that language is pulled. Before it’s officially pulled, Mike Lee’s team has his statement out on Ai listened. I still wanna sell public land, but I listened to everybody.
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01:34:10
So I’m not gonna do it right now is really what it sai, and he’s completely fabricating this story. He was told, like, this is going to get pulled. So you can do it now and save some face, or we can pull it and you’re gonna look like a loser. Right? And, unfortunately, you got the option to, like, fight again another day, which is brutal.
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01:34:37
But Ai get that information, and I get to announce it to this awesome group of people at this off road rally trash pickup deal that I’m out at called the gambler five hundred, which is super cool. And then, I put that online. I’m like, hey. Thank you to the Democrats, and thank you to the Republicans, and thank you for all the voices that came out and the businesses and all this stuff.
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01:35:09
And then I was just, like, set my clock as to when people were gonna just start tearing each other arya. And it fucking happened. Right? And it’s like, you guys voted for this. You were getting exactly what you deserve.
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01:35:25
Ai. Right. Right. I did see a lot of that.
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01:35:27
You know
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01:35:27
what I mean? Yeah. I did see a lot of that. Like, no, we didn’t, stupid. No. We voted because we felt like the country is moving in a terrible direction. It doesn’t mean that they can’t also move in a terrible direction once you get them in. It the the important thing is people stood up, people like you, luckily, that are very invested in this and use the considerable resources you have access to and got a lot of other people involved ai Ram, Josh Smith and and everybody else and and I jumped in too.
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01:35:55
That’s we’re just lucky that a lot of people care and recognize that this is a slippery saloni. And that if they got through with this and they did this, this is just one step. And if you let them sell one acre, that’s why just not one acre was the the best motto. It really was. Not one acre was the best motto.
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01:36:15
You can’t. It’s not yours. It’s ours. It’s everyone’s. And if you sell it, what you should make zero profit.
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01:36:22
It should go it it literally if you did sell it, it should have to go to every fucking person that lives in the planet or in this country rather.
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01:36:29
Yeah. Ai mean
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01:36:30
And then we don’t want it. We don’t want that money. Keep it keep it the way it is.
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01:36:33
Yeah. The value of this stuff only goes up.
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01:36:36
Not only that. Again, we’re 36 fucking trillion dollars in debt. You’re not even gonna put it if you sold all the public land, all of it that we have, it wouldn’t put a dent in it.
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01:36:46
No. It wouldn’t. You could strip all the timber Yeah. Sell the land. Everything. Minerals,
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01:36:51
everything. Yeah. Not gonna put a dent in it.
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01:36:52
No. It’s not. So we gotta find a better way. And then you know what? It’s not gonna be convenient. No. It’s gonna be hard. And that’s that’s ai the the thing that I keep coming back to. I’m like, all they’re doing is being like, oh, see we did something. They’re not doing the hard work. Mhmm. Right?
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01:37:10
And this particular thing would divest the American people of in in my mind, and we we started doing it as a slogan for backcountry hunters and anglers, is like public land freedom. Ai, you are divesting the American people of the ability to be free. Ai, these places represent ai a lot of goofballs, man. Unstructured fun.
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01:37:37
And I feel like there’s a lot of people in the lawmaking side of things that get very nervous about American people out there having unstructured fun. Really?
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01:37:47
Is that really what it is?
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01:37:48
They’re ai, what’s going on out there on that BLM land? There’s somebody riding a motorcycle and there’s somebody shooting a gun and there’s somebody fly fishing and there’s somebody bird watching, there’s a family camping. Can’t have that. Do you
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01:38:00
really think that’s it? Do you really think it’s like they don’t want unstructured fun?
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01:38:05
I I’m coming around to that thought a lot, man. A lot. Like right? They’re like, why? There’s no kiosk. Right? Nobody’s out there charging Right. For your use of America’s public lands. You’re not signing a lie liability waiver. Oh my god. And once you’re out there, you just kinda make up whatever it is you wanna do that day. That’s freedom, buddy. Right?
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01:38:36
And I think people are fucking nervous about that.
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01:38:39
That’s a weird perspective.
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01:38:41
It is.
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01:38:41
Yeah. I don’t know if I agree with that. I just think they look at it as an opportunity to cash in. I think they look they look at it as an opportunity. Like, we have all this land. It’s public. Let’s sell some of it. I think it’s just, like, incredibly short ai. I think they think in terms of literally in terms of terms where they’re elected.
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01:39:00
And it’s not sell some of it. Right? They’re like, we’re gonna maybe hold on to the national parks, but there’s another play there where we’re gonna turn those over to the states Right. Or privatize them completely.
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01:39:13
Yeah.
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01:39:15
Get full control of, like I said, like, Colorado River. Right? Like, we’re gonna control the the pipes for the watersheds.
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01:39:24
Yeah. I’ve heard that language before that water’s not ai. Yeah. That people are gross, meh. If you let them be. If you let them be, though, they’ll they’ll be gross.
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01:39:37
And yeah. Absolutely. And some of these people want it purely for the fact that they can’t have it. Right? And it drives them insane.
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01:39:45
There’s definitely that. Yeah. There’s definitely that. A lot of shortsightedness. It’s, a lot of people could use a mushroom trip. Well, it’s just a lot of people that just you’re and you’re missing so much of what this life is because you’re so concentrated on your election ai.
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01:40:02
You’re so concentrated on making more money. So concentrated on things that when you’re 90 and you’re in your death bryden, it ain’t gonna mean shit, man. It’s not gonna mean a a damn thing.
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01:40:13
No. No. You could have been having fun and enjoying life with your neighbors.
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01:40:18
Yeah. It like, you can’t keep it. You’re gonna die. You can’t take it with you. You’re gonna die. And they don’t see that while they’re on the hunt, while they’re in the middle of this process of trying to accumulate zeros in their bank account.
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01:40:33
Yep. Got a little endorphin high. Sai another zero hit. That’s all they want.
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01:40:36
They’re and they’re competing with other people that are doing the exact same thing. So they’re in their little short ai echo chambers, you know. Yep. Yep. Keep that
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01:40:44
But I hope to God people learned. Right? Like, there’s a lot happening in between elections. Mhmm. And and you gotta know if you, weighed in during this, you made a difference. Like, everybody who jumped in and wrote to their representatives and and senators and told their buddies about this and asked businesses, why aren’t you on that list?
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01:41:11
That you can actually make a difference in this country.
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01:41:13
Absolutely. And it’s not not just at the election hash marks. Yeah. Like, if people didn’t hold our elected accountable, they would have been ai, they they just wanna get this stuff passed. They’re like, path of least resistance. There’s some really good ass kickers out there, on the Democrat and Republican side of things for sure, But we need to lift those people up in order to get the the rest of the the coasters involved.
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01:41:45
Yeah.
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01:41:46
And we need to also let people know that this is an this is an issue going forward now that we know. This is an issue that can affect whether or not you get elected. You need to know that. Like, we’re gonna be on you. You can’t do this.
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01:42:01
Exactly. Like, we’re gonna be consistent, and we’re gonna be on your ass.
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01:42:04
And now that this has happened and we’ve had some success and it worked, now people know it’ll work. And so now all the Randy Newbergs and all the all the people that were, like, really enthusiastic about this that really did their job, you know, they’re getting more support now, and it’s it’s gonna build.
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01:42:20
And then we’ll be much more aware of whether one of these things is trying to get snuck through in the future.
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01:42:27
Absolutely. Absolutely. I would say the early folks. Right? Like, Randy, I feel like we were kicking ass at MeatEater, Katie Hill at Outdoor Ai, Andrew McKean, Outdoor Life, Travis Hall, Field and Ram, ai, those people were on it.
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01:42:52
And, yeah, I think all those people have a significant following on social media, you know.
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01:42:56
And they have a lot to lose too, man.
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01:42:58
Oh, yeah.
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01:42:58
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. National Wildlife Federation, backcountry hunters and anglers, we’re talking about this way early and then a lot of other orgs jumped in and and some early Pheasants Forever Quail Forever, they they started they were awesome. I just gotta I gotta mention them because they’re, like, they’re farm bill oriented hook and bullet organizations.
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01:43:27
They do an amazing job, but that’s largely private side of the fence. And they came out and started talking to their membership about this early, and you kinda get punched in the face. I gotta be honest. Like, we took a lot of shit on the meat eater side of things. Ranella took a ton of shit. How so?
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01:43:49
Just people being ai, well, one, they’re like, Steve, aren’t you a Trumper? You can’t also support public lands because that’s going against Trump.
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01:44:01
But this is just people in the comments. Right?
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01:44:03
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:44:05
Who are those people?
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01:44:07
Way too much time.
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01:44:08
Yeah. Don’t don’t read them. You’re dealing with such a small population of morons. The problem with comments is, especially negative comments, it’s such a small population and almost all of them are fucking losers.
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01:44:23
I got sucked in though because I’m like, I don’t know. I was like, I was so desperate to make an impact. Right? At the end, I’m like, I’m feeling like I’ve pulled every freaking lever that I can. Yeah. I’m asking the experts. I’m like, could we get and this is a screwed up piece of information. I was like, okay.
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01:44:40
I wanna do a Freedom of Information Act, request, sue for information for all the senators’ offices and find out how many people called on behalf of public lands and how many people called to sell them off. Ai I want that information to be public. Well, those offices, they don’t have to give over that information, I found out. Oh.
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01:45:06
So, like, where the hell is the accountability on that?
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01:45:09
Right.
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01:45:10
Yeah. But, anyway, I’m going nuts trying to figure out what other levers I could pull, and I would just sit there and be like, okay. I’m gonna find one person on the feed and just understand their side of things and see if I can pull them over to my side of things and maybe that butterfly wing effect will do some sort of good.
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01:45:31
You’re not those people. Yeah. You voted for this. Those people are just trying to win. They’re just trying to, like, get you. And they’re people that for whatever reason thought Kamala Harris would be a good president. And then there’s also people that I don’t even know if they’re real humans.
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01:45:46
I think there’s a a lot of this stuff that we have to understand about social media is coordinated bot farms. And so anytime you have a hot button topic that could, you know, maybe get a bill rejected or get a bill passed, it’s not organic, the comments. There’s some organic comments. Some of these people that are negative, you voted for this.
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01:46:09
They’re just a real fucking loser who doesn’t like people that have public profiles, doesn’t like people that are successful, doesn’t like people and they just wanna find some way to call you out. There’s a lot of that. But then there’s a lot of coordinated artificial interaction.
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01:46:25
And we’ve we’ve highlighted that, and we’ve we’ve been on that for quite a while because we found out through this one former FBI guy that 80 per his estimation was 80% of Twitter is bots.
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01:46:41
Yeah. 80%. You know, people are having their their whole life is talking to bots then, if that’s the case.
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01:46:48
Oh, it is the case. I I know it’s the case. I do I don’t know if it’s 80%, but I I do know that it’s an enormous number because I I don’t interact. And I’m I’m now I’ve I’ve since separated myself so far that I’m kind of not even on social media anymore. Nice. I might check it in the more I check Twitter in the morning to see whatever he’s mad at, you know, and then I usually feel bad after I check it.
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01:47:11
I’m like, why am I even looking at this?
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01:47:13
Oh, yeah.
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01:47:13
Jesus Ai. And I just get off. And when you you do that, you feel better. You just feel healthier. You feel better. But when I do check and, like, there’s any sort of a hot button issue, I’ll look at someone is saying something outrageous, then I’ll click on their profile. And Ai like, it’s like a bunch of letters and a few numbers. And then I look at their profile, I’m like, oh, you’re not even a real fucking person.
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01:47:37
And then you see, oh, this is ai half of the people in this aren’t real people. And it’s there’s no laws. Like, there’s no I’m first of all, meh me be real clear. I’m against a law where it says you have to post under your name, your your social security number has to be registered to this account, so we know you’re a real human being.
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01:48:00
The reason why I’m a post that is because I think whistle blowers are essential because I think corruption is real. And I think if you hold someone accountable for everything they post, man, you’re going down a dark road. You you don’t you’re going down a dark road where you could possibly get people fired for posts that, you know, like England is out of control right now.
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01:48:22
Like, I don’t know if you know this, but England, I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood. How many people got arrested for social media posts in England this year? We’ve looked this up before. I forget the number. It’s in the thousands.
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01:48:35
Arrested for saying immigration’s a real problem. We gotta stop these grooming gangs. We gotta, you know, stop these Muslims ram, you know, illegally immigrating into England. Arrested. Go to jail, like, for real.
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01:48:49
That that’s insane.
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01:48:50
People do time. They’re doing ai, like, no bullshit real time for saying things
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01:48:57
Ai, I could kill for cheeseburger. No.
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01:48:59
I always said I killed. Not like that.
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01:49:01
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:49:01
Not like that. But but it’s mostly about policy issues. And what they’re trying to do is make sure that everyone stays in line. And so they’re doing this by scaring people away from being critical of the government. And the way to start it is to attack people that say anything bad about immigration, attack people that say anything bad about the government.
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01:49:24
In fact, they just ai they’re just doing this in Brazil right now. They just passed this huge fucking law that you can get removed from social media for anything that’s critical of the government, anything that’s critical of Lula, who’s the president of Brazil right ai. You you get removed from social media. Like, you can’t be critical. Like, they don’t have freedom of speech anymore. And this is the slippery road.
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01:49:50
This is a slippery slope that we were going down with the last administration, what they had done during the pandemic. It’s scary stuff, man, and people have to be aware of it. And Well, I
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01:50:00
think there’s a version of that too with what we were talking about on, like, the hard party politics people. Right? Where it’s ai the social backlash Yes. Of being a critical thinker
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01:50:10
Yep.
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Is so much that it then creates a non thinker or you just totally leave that zone. You don’t pay attention anymore. You’re not gonna talk about it.
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Yep. Yeah. It’s, you you self censor. You self censor out of ai. You know, you feel
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like this
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is this is too dangerous. I’m not gonna say anything. And that’s how they get things passed because then you don’t have any criticism. And then you don’t have any people that are opposing you. It’s very scary because, again, a lot of this stuff that you’re seeing that’s causing people to self center is not real self censor is not real human beings.
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Yeah. It’s bots. And and that’s my fear is that when you finally get that person to be ai, alright. You know what? I’m gonna leave this part of it behind and step out to advocate for what I believe in. And the first response they get is You voted for this. Fuck you. You’re getting what you deserve.
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Yeah. Right? Police make 30 arrests a day for offensive online messages. Oh, god. And then that’s so, officers from 37 forces made 12,183 arrests in 2023. Equivalent of about 33 per day, marks an almost 58% rise in arrests since before the pandemic. In 02/2019, they but still, like, 02/2019, 7,000 detentions for online shit.
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So what we have in America is incredibly unique in that regard, and other countries are setting a standard. And it’s a dangerous fucking standard, and we have to really make sure that that doesn’t happen here. And we also have to make sure I wish there was a way where you could identify bots, and Elon tried to find this out when he bought Twitter.
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So when he purchased Twitter, they told him that it was less than 5%. And he’s like, well, how did you figure that out? And, well, they only figured it out. They it’s not real. It’s not a real number.
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But they just took a random cross section of a 100 users and found 5% of those people were were clearly bots. That doesn’t mean anything.
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Job’s done. Yeah. Found it. Took care.
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You could also do that about you could take a random section of users that interact with very non controversial subjects and find a small number of bots. Like, let’s say you find a bird watching group of people on Instagram or on Twitter. Like, what are the odds of those people sana be bots? Very small. Right?
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There’s no reason. There’s no benefit financially or ai, politically.
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Big bird seed. Yeah. You know? Exactly.
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Exactly. Ai, so if you go after bird I I use bird watchers because I I see them all the time. You know, that’s ai the purest form of just this is what they’re into.
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Great group.
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Yep. Great group of people, but there’s no financial incentive to support or deny bird watching. You know? So if you go to the bird watcher group on Twitter, yeah, it’s probably 5% bots because they’re fucking everywhere. But if you I guarantee if you go to abortion or if you go to immigration or if you go to anything that’s a hot button contra ice raids, whatever it is.
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Any hot meh? Anything. Any hot button controversial subject, there is a there’s a shit ton of them, man. And it’s kind of creepy because who is paying for it? Who’s paying for it? And why do we don’t how come we don’t have any laws to stop that from happening? Because it’s not real.
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You’re you’re getting this artificial sense of what the general public wants because they’ve they’ve, you know, monetized it, and they figured out a way to artificially inflate these numbers.
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Yeah. And I I think
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it gives this illusion of this consensus amongst people, and they can do that in even with, like, ridiculous conclusions.
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And I think consensus, though, is is so dangerous to any political party. Right? Like, what we just saw, there was an agenda, and everybody had to stand up and say something Mhmm. Because of one freaking person who sana make this happen.
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Right.
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And I guarantee you Ai guarantee you that what they’re thinking about right now is holy shit. How do we break up this consensus? Mhmm. Like, what do we need to do? We can’t have bird watchers agreeing with off road users and bow hunters.
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Right.
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That’s that’s we can’t win that.
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Right.
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We need them to be only bird watchers, only bow hunters, only off road users.
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But what we need to do is be apolitical, and I think we were with this, which is beautiful. So the Democrats, the Republicans and the people like me that are fucking politically homeless, they they all came together on this and said, no, this is stupid. And and all these people, oh, you voted for this. Fuck you. Nobody voted for that. Fuck you. Like, this is one guy.
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And if history if that didn’t work, if we didn’t have an impact, and if nobody stepped up and people like you weren’t so steadfast, that would be in the history books. That Mike Lee guy would be the guy that you see, you know, your kids see in forty, fifty years and ai read the history books.
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They go, oh, that ai? That guy did this?
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Yeah. He’d have a proud statue inside a giant strip mall, something that used to be public land. I’d be like, why is that here?
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Probably wouldn’t.
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It’s because because we gave up.
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Yeah. That’s what happened. Well, it depends on who’s writing the history books. Right? It could be that he would be a hero. He turned it out. They generated 200 extra billion dollars that did nothing did nothing for this. I mean, this big beautiful bill, doesn’t it raise the debt by 3,000,000,000,000?
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I think that’s what they came down to. It started at 4, and now it’s at, like, 3,300,000,000,000.0. Yeah. And there’s so much to it too. Like like I said, this is my own personal dumpster fire.
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What Trump wants is growth. He wants economic growth, and he thinks he can get it out of this. And that’s the overall net benefit.
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Oh, and there’s some bending over backwards. Right? Like that Arctic trip that we were talking about, we went up to the ten o two area on the Arctic Plain just to add to
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the increased by 5,000,000,000,000. Did that just happen, Jamie? Oh. Just looking good. That did pass this afternoon. Oh, wait. When we started. Yeah. Oh, okay.
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A 150,000,000,000
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in additional border security. Well, we probably need that. A 154,000,000,000 in additional defense spending. That’s you gotta you gotta feed the demons.
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The the Bryden Dome thing. Dude, which is not.
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01:56:51
What’s the Golden Dome? That’s space based Golden Dome missile defense system.
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Yeah. Trump was enamored with, Israel’s missile defense system and wanted one, and most of the experts were like, that doesn’t really work with our land mass. Oh, boy.
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There’s Also hypersonic missiles. There’s a lot of shit it doesn’t work with.
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There there’s a there’s a line item in here for I think it’s a few billion bucks for, our next big birthday, America’s next big birthday, which I always think of affordable housing when I think of it. I ai I bet the folks like having their own little individual parties and might think it’s okay to throw that couple 100,000,000 at an issue versus fireworks and bryden.
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You know? I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe. But yeah, man. We gotta we have got to stay unified Yeah. On these things.
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Stay unified and avoid the comments, folks. And don’t be scared. Don’t be scared to speak out against something that you know is wrong.
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And you jackasses, if you want something real bad, like, I want public lands, public waters, public wildlife for the people real bad. I don’t when that shit talker converts and is like, yeah. Public lands are speak. I called my senator. I don’t say, fuck you.
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Right.
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Shit talker. I say, thank you, dude. Really appreciate it.
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Yeah. Well, most of those shit talkers don’t have good friends. The the people that ai actually arya actual human beings that are losers, the the reason why they’re losers is because they’re in a bad spot. Okay? And any one of us could have been that person. Any one of us could have been that person that’s surrounded by bad people. They have a bad job.
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They got a bad relationship. They live in a bad area. There’s not a whole lot of hope. There’s not a whole lot of happiness, and so you try to tear down everything around you.
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Yeah. You take put your petty shit Yeah. Over the top of the real shit.
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Yeah. But my perspective is, look, I can’t fix everybody, so I can’t help you. But I don’t wanna interact with you. So I’m not gonna I’m I’m not I don’t have the time. I don’t have the resources. It’s impossible. And I don’t like it. I don’t like arguing with people, so I don’t wanna do it. If you talk to people one on one, most people are pretty fucking reasonable.
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Pretty amazing. But Really.
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When they’re just shouting out into the void like that, guess what? You don’t have to read it. You don’t have to listen. Yeah. You don’t have to interact. It’s it’s fucking bad for you. It’s bad for your brain. Everybody that I know that’s on social media all the time is super unhealthy. Every one of them.
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Yeah. For good reason. Yeah. It’s a it’s a trash pit. Yeah. It works really it worked really well in this case
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Yeah.
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Because it allowed that community to build fast and
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be reactive. But you have to curate your community online the same way you curate your community in the real world, you know. And this is a part of not reading the comments because the comments is the whole world, you know, or the the the people that are interacting. It’s not really the whole world, but again, it’s just it’s it’s not worth it. It’s just not worth it. It’s not worth going in there.
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And people if you wanna win, like, identify that freaking goal and and think, okay. What’s gonna help me achieve that goal? Mhmm. It’s not putting your petty shit above the goal.
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Right.
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Right? But you you bury that stuff deep down ai, and you say, great. Thank you. Thanks for hopping on board. Please tell your friends. Yes. We’re gonna get to this goal together. That’s awesome.
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I think that’s best done on a group basis. Like, just make a post, thank you to everybody that did it, but don’t interact with individuals. This is not worth it. The people that I know that do it, they all get they all get fucked up. Because it’s just ai it just takes one comment that gets under your skin that Yeah.
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It carries you around while you’re hanging out with you’re at your kid’s baseball game, you think that cock sucker on Twitter. You know? And there’s a lot of people out there that are doing that, man. You’re watching a kid hit a home run, and you’re not even happy. You’re you’re you’re mad about some fucking random dude who you don’t even know if it’s a real person.
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02:01:06
No. It’s the truth. I told that, that group I was with, up in the Arctic, man. I’m like, I read them because I wanna understand the argument and and see if that’s really the argument. Like, is this really where people are coming ram, or is it just an asshole?
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There’s mostly just an asshole and even their argument probably sucks, but also a lot of it’s artificial. You gotta think about how much money is involved in selling off this public land and how much of an interest do people have in pushing a narrative that would say that selling this public land is a good thing.
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02:01:42
Yeah. You know, there’s there’s money involved in this. Whenever there’s money involved in this, there’s you can pay for their services where you can start a campaign, ai, it’s not real. You there’s services where if you wanna push a narrative, sana can incorporate this bot farm, and they will push it towards whatever you wanna do. And it’s legal.
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That’s what’s fucked. Oh. That’s
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So fucked.
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Yeah. It’s it’s lying. It’s just lying with computers.
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Yeah. And, unfortunately, there’s still a lot of people out there on the interweb going, well, I read it on the Mhmm. Internet.
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Oh, yeah. Well, there there’s a whole articles reading. One commenter said, no. They didn’t. You know, if that if that’s a fucking robot, what do you are you gonna make a retraction? No, you’re not. You’re not. If it’s AI, are you gonna are you gonna say something about that? Are you gonna say there’s a problem? No.
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02:02:36
You’re not gonna say because you your whole business is clickbait. And the more you have negative comments you could use to start the formulation of an arya, okay. That’s how you make a living. And so don’t read their fucking articles either. Oh. This is the key. Just ai you have to just interact only with real humans.
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02:02:54
I, got in the practice of just being like, okay. What I’m about to say is gonna be political, involves scary words, Democrat, Republican. It’s gonna make you uncomfortable. Don’t believe me. Go to the federalregister.gov. That’s the source material. Read it for yourself. Yeah. I’m just gonna tell you what I read in there Yeah. On these pages.
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That’s the source material. Go read it. Like, that’s where the land sales are happening. That’s where it’s outlined. The text is there.
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02:03:23
It’s the journal of the government printed every day online. Go read it. And, you know, for the little stuff on the podcast, I don’t deal with and it’s like the Montgomery teller said an alligator came out of
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Ai don’t say that. Cals We Can Review. Yeah. Yeah. Tell everybody your podcast.
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Cals We Can Review. We do news, outdoor news, and we cover legislation with this.
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02:03:48
It’s sai fun podcast.
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02:03:49
The legislative desk. Yeah. Yeah. Meh. Which You have a good time with it though. Man, there’s some good times. There’s some burnout times. Right? Yeah. Where I’m, like, screaming into the void. Like, guys, this land saloni coming.
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Yeah. Yep. Coming hot. Well, people listen to you, fortunately.
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Oh. It,
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02:04:10
ai of feel a little good. Doesn’t it feel good that people united and listened?
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I am trying to make it feel really good.
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But you’re scared that it’s gonna happen again.
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It because I know it’s gonna happen again. Yeah. Again, I’m wearing the same shirt that I wore on this show talking about this same stuff six years ago or whenever we decided it was. Right?
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Yeah.
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Like, and I I do I feel really really good. Like, we a lot of people came out. They threw political baggage aside, and they they talked about how important this stuff is, and it’s incredibly important to me. And I thank them all from the bottom of my heart because it is so important and one voice is just not gonna do this. Right?
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Yeah.
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So that that does feel good. That does feel good. I just kinda wanted there to be a vote on this amendment so all the American people can see exactly who voted for it and exactly who voted against it.
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Yeah.
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And just lay it out on the table for everybody.
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02:05:14
That would be nice. Yeah. And it’d be nice to see, like, what special interests were involved Like, what what money was pushing it in that direction.
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02:05:23
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, just we need a higher and most people won’t do this even if we had the ability, but we need more peaks behind the curtain. Right? We need more accountability. Ai so just a great example. I’m up at the the state capital, Montana. We just our legislative session just ended at the beginning of the year, and there’s some knucklehead brings this judicial amendment up to join for the state of Montana to join Utah’s lawsuit to sell off 18 and a half million acres of public land.
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02:06:10
And a 115 people showed up to testify against the state. This is during during work hours in a Montana winter. A 115 people show up to testify against this, and there’s some on online too there to be fair. Originally, there were 10 people signed up to testify in favor of joining the lawsuit. All 10 of those people drop off.
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They only give everybody two minutes to testify in front of committee. Everybody testifies. Don’t do this. Bad for Montana. Bad for all these other reasons.
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Professional people, some lobbyists, nonprofit people, but just a lot of people being like, yeah. I’m a dad, and this is where I take my kids. Like, why would we do this? That committee approves it and sends it
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through. Wow.
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And there’s no accountability. You can’t say, okay. How many people called your office? How many emails did you get? None.
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Right. Your representatives just decide against the will of the people.
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The ones that showed up and were vocal. Right? Sai how do it work? And and I understand why people do not trust this stuff. Ai? Like, that’s a hard experience to have.
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02:07:33
It’s hidden on purpose, you know. They wanna be able to do what they wanna do. Yeah. And there’s a lot of money that gets them elected. And once they get in there, they get these phone calls from these folks. Hey. I need you to do this.
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02:07:45
Yeah. Yeah. Montana is a good example right now. Right? We so Jon Tester, who was an awesome public lands guy, Democrat, farmer out of Big Sana, Montana, that’s the only political donation I’ve ever made in my life was to his campaign, because he was awesome on public lands.
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02:08:08
He got he lost this year, but, so we have, Tim Sheehy, our freshman senator in Montana. So he’s brand new. He won Jon Tester’s speak. And then we have Steve Danes, who’s been in for a long time. He’s a senior Republican also on the Sana Energy and Natural Resources Committee. And Republicans.
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02:08:30
And they said, not in as strong a words as I would want, that they’re not for the sale of public lands During this fight, during the house and then during the senate fight again, we’re not gonna sell public lands. Our Republican, Ryan Zinke, also, he’s a representative in the house. You know, he said, that’s my San Juan Hill.
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He’s like, I’m I’m gonna die on San Juan Hill before I vote to sell off America’s public lands. Right? So I think for everybody else who’s naysaying whether a Republican can do this or it’s just the Democrats that are willing, I think we have a good example in Montana right now.
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02:09:16
And I’m not saying give up. I’m gonna hold these people accountable, and I think everybody else should too, that these Republicans are willing to go to bat for public lands right now. And and we’re making it that, like, third rail issue where it’s ai, if you wanna win in the state of Montana, you better be good on public lands.
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02:09:36
Were there any Democrats that were in favor of selling off public lands?
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Yeah. Yeah. One of your, one of your California folks came out early in the I’m
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not lying. I abandoned those people.
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You know, because Sai
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I identify as a Texan now.
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Ai converted. I transitioned. Yes. I oh, I support you, John.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for seeing my truth.
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02:09:59
But, you know, that it’s just it’s another easy answer to the very hard question of affordable housing. Right? So I think there’s plenty of Democrats out there. I think it’s a bullshit
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answer. No.
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It’s a total bullshit answer. Sai think
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they just wanna sell the land. I don’t think that any any interest in turning it into public housing.
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No. Fuck off. Fuck off is right.
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Put public housing in the middle of the woods? Fuck off.
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02:10:29
No. It’s not what you’re doing. No. No. This is one of
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those things that you you say to people, so, oh, it would go to the greater good.
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02:10:36
Oh ai god. We’ve been talking about urban renewal for how long Yeah. In this country. Right? Like, there’s a lot of places that are not gonna be good for wildlife, not gonna be good for the matriculation of clean water. Yeah. They’re not producing clean air. Yeah. That could be great affordable housing or just housing in general for people. Yeah. But that’s hard. It’s not convenient. Exactly. Yeah.
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02:11:00
Not convenient. That’s the thing. Well, thank you for doing what you do, brother. And thank you for being such a vocal spokesperson during this ai, because it was really, really impactful. It made a lot made a lot of difference. Really did.
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02:11:14
Ai, I’m sana be here for the next one, Joe. Alright. Let’s hope we don’t have to do this again. Well, I sana change my shirt.
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02:11:21
Let’s hope we don’t have to do it again. But if we do, we’ll do it again.
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02:11:24
Alright. Thanks sai bunch, Greg. Brother.
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02:11:26
And Cals, we can review. It’s available everywhere, Apple, Spotify, all that jazz. Right?
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02:11:31
Yeah. Yeah. Ole cal four 06 on the Instagram. And and if you wanna do me a huge favor, I’m the North American board chair for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, and, we put in over a 150,000 comments, phone calls from from real people who used our action alert center during this public lands vatsal, and that’s made a big difference.
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02:12:00
Because we can go into those offices and say, hey. 2500 people called your office today. Have you heard about public lands? So become a member. It helps us out, and we’ll help you out, and we’re not gonna give up on this stuff.
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02:12:12
I’m a
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lifetime member. Love you, buddy.
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02:12:14
Love you too, buddy. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.