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Lukas Nelson is a country music singer/songwriter and Grammy Award-winning producer. His new album, “American Romance,” is available now.www.lukasnelson.com
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#2348 – Lukas Nelson Podcast Episode Summary
Summary of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast Episode with Lukas Nelson
Key Points & Major Topics:
Joe Rogan hosts musician Lukas Nelson (son of Willie Nelson) for a wide-ranging conversation about music, personal growth, family legacy, discipline, and the search for meaning. The episode explores Lukas’s journey as an artist growing up in the shadow of a famous father, his drive for individuality, and the challenges and blessings of fame. They discuss the importance of community, the pitfalls of social media, the value of local engagement, and the impact of news cycles on mental health. The conversation also delves into sobriety, meditation, psychedelics, and the role of music in healing and uniting people. Other topics include empathy, the duality of human nature, the struggle with ego, and the necessity of discipline for personal fulfillment.
Important Guests/Speakers:
– Lukas Nelson: Singer-songwriter, son of Willie Nelson, shares personal stories about his upbringing, career, and philosophy on life and music.
– Joe Rogan: Host, comedian, and commentator, guides the discussion and shares his own insights and experiences.
Actionable Insights, Advice, or Tips:
– Pursue your own path and identity, even when coming from a famous family.
– Discipline and consistent effort are more important than fleeting inspiration; start small and build habits gradually.
– Limit exposure to negative news and social media; focus on real-life community and relationships.
– Sobriety, meditation, and occasional use of psychedelics (in Lukas’s case) can foster clarity and self-awareness.
– Engage in physical activity for mental and emotional well-being.
– Practice empathy and kindness, but be aware of manipulation and the importance of boundaries.
– Support local agriculture and regenerative farming for healthier communities.
Recurring Themes & Overall Messages:
– The search for meaning and purpose is central to a fulfilling life.
– Music and art are powerful tools for connection, healing, and social change.
– The duality of human nature (light and dark, ego and humility) is universal; self-awareness and discipline help navigate it.
– Fame and success come with unique challenges, but authenticity and service to others are key to lasting satisfaction.
– Community engagement and personal responsibility are antidotes to societal division and negativity.
The episode is a thoughtful, candid exploration of creativity, self-discovery, and the human condition, offering practical wisdom for listeners seeking purpose and balance.
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#2348 – Lukas Nelson Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. We’re up. Lucas, what’s up? Hey. Good to talk to you, man. Thanks for being here.
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To be here. Yeah. Ai appreciate you having me.
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I gotta tell you, you know, when I heard Willie Nelson’s kid plays music, there’s a thing that you always do, and I I have to admit it. You do it ai, when the son of a great man, you always assume, well Yeah. It’s probably mediocre. You know what I mean? And then you performed at McConaughey’s, that charity function thing, and you fucking killed it, man. You blew me away.
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Thank you.
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It was incredible. And I was like, wow. It was really cool to see, man. It was really exciting. Wow.
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It was
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really fun. Yeah. You know? You were the highlight of the night, man. You really were.
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It’s moments like those where I started to gain confidence. You know, I’d have over the years, I’d go out and play, and I’d play my songs that I’ve written. And when I get crowds, it would do that. You know? And so that gave me the confidence to keep going. And and and I first started playing music in order to get closer to my father. Oh, wow. You know what I mean?
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So I I I he would be gone all the time.
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Right.
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And I’d be missing him. And, and so in order to get close to him, I figured I I need to speak the same musical language. And, and so I learned Young, and I wrote a song Young, that’s on the new album, actually, Sai ai. It’s called You Were It. It’s the first song I ever wrote when I was 11.
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Ai and my dad loved it so much that he covered it at the time, and he put it out on his album back in 02/2004. Called It Always Will Be. The the album was called It Always Will Be. And that gave me the confidence at a young age. Kris Kristofferson came up to me, and he’s like, man, you don’t have a choice but to be a songwriter.
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And so I had all this inspiration at a young age. Kinda like an athlete at a certain point, you kind of have to look at, like, oh, well, if I have a talent at this, I have up ai, I have connections in the industry. I need to work like I was gonna go to the Olympics on this because it’s something that I can do that will make it so that I never have to rely on my family or my father for anything.
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Right. You know? I Yeah. My whole goal in life is to discover who I am as an individual. You know?
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Is that a part
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of the difficulty of growing up with an incredibly famous father?
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I think the you know, Viktor Frankl has a, a book, a very famous book called Man’s Search for Meaning.
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Uh-huh.
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And it’s about Auschwitz, and he was an Auschwitz survivor. And he wrote about what was the common denominator in terms of people who persevered and survived in these camps. And dignity and meaning were the common denominators generally. And so finding who you what you mean in this life to yourself, it doesn’t have to mean anything to anyone else.
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And I think that’s where, for me, I’ve lived my whole life trying to discover who I meant to myself so that at the moment of my death, I can look back and say, I did ai moment of my death, I can look back and say, I did something that I enjoyed, that was meaningful, that gave me a sense of purpose.
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Yeah. The the there’s a both a blessing and a burden to, being the child of someone Mhmm. Who’s incredibly famous at a thing that you’re trying to do. Sure. You know, ai, there’s there’s a lot of sons of athletes, for instance
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Right.
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That ai in their father’s shadow, and very few of them ever rise to the level that their father was at.
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Sure. I think for me, I was never trying to be as great as him. I was only trying to be close to him because more than anything, my father’s a great human being. He’s a well rounded, kind, empathetic human, and, Ai Ai truly grateful to be his and my mother’s sana, You know? Because I have a good family, I’m lucky.
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You know? That’s awesome. You know? I have a good good parent. So what I was trying to do was just be closer to him.
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And, you know, as a little kid, you know, the the best thing my mom ever did was when I was, like, earlier, I was probably five or six years old, and my brother had just passed away not too, long before this, actually. And I would cry every time my dad would leave. You know?
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And my mom sat me down one ai, and she sai, it tears him apart when you cry like this because he doesn’t want to leave. He’s going out there. He’s making people happy. He’s giving people joy, and he’s doing what he came here on this earth to do, and he’s supporting this family.
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And so the support that my mother had for him, at that moment, I never cried again. I was able to let go of that idea and then just from that point on, work towards creating what would make me happy in my life and give me the same joy and then give and be able to take care of a family, hopefully.
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You know, my one of my greatest sources of pride is that I haven’t had to ask my parents for anything. I bought my own house. I bought my you know, I I went and did Star is Born, and I got you know, I mean, I I’ve been able to make myself a living, and I think that makes my parents proud.
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It makes my dad proud, and that’s what I’ve always wanted to do. That’s been my whole my whole life is wanting to make them proud.
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That’s awesome. Well, it’s a great motivation, you know, for sure, when especially when you have great parents to to try ai meh
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their power back. You know? I know a lot of people have broken homes and grew up. And and even Ai caught dad at a good time. I mean, my dad was 55 or so when he had me. You know? And so he had already been through a lot of his demons and gotten through them and faced them, you know, and was still going through them at the time that I was born, but he had come out of, you know, a life of habit and sort of formed the ones that would take him at that point to where he is now at 92 years
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old. Wow.
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And so I got a good version of dad, you know, who had grown since. You know? And sai, man, you know, I’m the luckiest guy in the world. I feel like I, you know, I was able to be exposed to a lot of great music, a lot of great mentors, you know, in my life. And, and I’m also lucky, that I at at a young age, I’m grateful to my younger ai, to the myself as a young child for having the wisdom to say, alright.
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Work hard now. Forget about parties. Forget about hanging out. Work hard eight hours, ten hours a day. Practice your guitar. Write all the time.
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Sing all the time sai that when you get to a certain point in life, you’ll have something to show for it, you know, something that you can leave behind that’s yours. You know?
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Yeah. That’s awesome, man. That you know, that’s what most people in this life want. They want a purpose. Yeah. You know, they want something that means something both to them and to other people. Exactly. Yeah. It’s hard to find.
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It’s hard to find a purpose. You know? I’ve I that is something that I’ve always had growing up, and I think it’s because I was, you know, again, I’m grateful to that younger kid. Sometimes Sai I feel like he’s wiser than I am now. You know? That younger self is ai almost, you know, I I now and now that I’m sober, I mean, I quit smoking weed.
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I quit drinking and, you know When did you do all that? Really around the pandemic.
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Yeah? But That’s usually when a lot of people started.
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Yeah. I went the opposite way. I started meditating twice a day. You know? The only thing I’ll do now is mushrooms every once in a while to check-in with myself and, you know, just kinda make sure that I’m you know, I feel like mushrooms is, like, taking a nice good whole hose to your soul and just sana, like, you know
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Yeah. Clean out all the bullshit.
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All the bullshit. And, like Yeah. Sai feel like you know? Sai They should be legal. Yeah. 100%.
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Oh, really? If I could talk Trump into one thing, that might be the one thing. I’ve you know, I had this conversation with Paul Stamets the other day.
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I love Paul Stamets. He’s amazing. Yeah. He’s great. I just saw him at the, Dead Shah, the Speak Shah.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, that’s cool. That’s cool.
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Yeah. Have you been to his place? He invited me to his place up there. It’s supposed to be amazing.
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I was just reading an email from him today ai me to his place.
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That’s awesome.
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Yeah. He’s, he’s a prepper. He’s ready for the apocalypse.
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Yeah. Well, that might ai be a good idea.
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I mean, maybe. I don’t know. I think we’re gonna be okay.
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I do too.
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I do. Sai mean, I think the feeling that we might not be okay, though, is a great motivator.
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We should always be checking in with ourselves Mhmm. And asking ourselves, are we going too far to certain extremes?
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Yeah. Well, that that’s the part of the conversation that we had, you know, we’re ai, is there a thing that could really help the world? And it sounds so cliche and hippie and and especially someone who’s never done mushrooms. But I think that might be the thing, you know. Even if it’s just ai small doses, just a little something to alleviate anxiety, bring people close together, make them understand that there’s more to life ai ai.
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And most of your conflict is bullshit. Most of it is ai. Most of it’s unnecessary.
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Yeah. My dad always says 99% of the things you worry about never come true. Mhmm. You know, and it’s just a matter of yeah. I mean, it is sort of a cliche. I I read the, The Power of Now, which is Eckhart Tolle Mhmm. When I was, like, 13. I used I I went to school next to a Buddhist temple, and so I grew up with my dad teaching me the Lord’s Prayer that I’d say every night, and then I’d go to this Buddhist temple and hang with these monks.
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You
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know? Really?
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Yeah. Yeah. Where was that? In Maui. I grew up part time in Austin. I was born in Austin. I was in Maui. And so I Buddhist temple in Maui? Buddhist temple right near where I was going to school at the time. So after school every day, I’d sit with these monks. And just the vibe of that is is powerful, the chanting, the energy around that. You know, the presence, though, that they have.
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They’re just you know, their whole goal, obviously, is to just, you know, be purely present. Yeah. And, and so while that sounds like a cliche, I I truly believe that that’s an important thing, you know, to to let go of the the the battle of positive and negative that in the mental space, that’s all that exists is duality.
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You know? Well, to find a true path, you have to avoid being pushed and pulled in a bunch of directions that are totally unnecessary. Yeah. And sometimes you get sort of preoccupied or captivated Yes. By the push and the pull of bullshit.
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Well, and we’re we’re we there is a manipulation that happens, on purpose. Ai have a song called Turn Off the News and Build a Garden. Mhmm. Derek, do you ever hear that song?
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No. I haven’t heard that one.
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You want me to play it for you?
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Yeah. Yeah. Play it.
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Alright. This is a song called Turn Off the News and Build a Bryden. And I wrote
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it because Because it’s great advice.
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Yeah. And I just I was just the the news cycle I mean, there’s there’s a difference between being informed and being constantly captured by the site. Overwhelmed. Yes. Got a tune for all your listeners.
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Ai believe that every heart is kind. Some are just a little underused. Hatred is a symptom of the ai. Lost in these uneducated blues. I just sana love you while I can. All these other thoughts have me confused. I don’t need to try to understand. Maybe I’ll turn off the fucking news.
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Turn off the news and build a garden. Just my neighborhood and me. We might feel a bit less hardened. We might feel a bit more free. Turn off the news and raise the kids. Give them something to believe in. In. Teach them how to be good people. Give them hope that they can see.
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Hope that they can see. Turn off the news and build a garden with me. That’s awesome.
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Yeah. So I I, you know, I’ve I’ve always felt that way, and I think that there’s action is so important. Being a part of your community, being a part of decisions that are made, I think that’s huge. I think local communities are really important. I think local town meetings, understanding where you’re going is, you know, and and and understanding where your neighborhood is going and getting to know your neighbors because it’s really hard to it’s hard to have any hatred when you understand and know your neighbor.
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You know what I mean? And you know the people that are around you know it. You know, and so I think that, yeah, that’s kind of where I come from. I just think like, you know, it’s important to to get out there and and I put my I usually try not to stand on soap boxes, though.
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You know, meh? I put if I have something to say, I’ll put it in my music, you know, and I’ll and I’ll put it out there.
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You know? Well, that’s the best way to get it to people anyway.
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Yeah. Look at Bob Dylan, masters of war. I mean, that’s the military industrial complex right there. That’s an incredible song. Pawn Only a Pawn in Their Game Yeah. Is the history of of racism and how that, you know, started. It is a pretty much a controlled political ploy to get the poor blacks and the poor whites to blame each other for everything happening.
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Mhmm.
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You know?
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You ever hear Bill Hicks’ bit about the news?
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I was just listening to Bill Hicks. That’s sai funny.
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He’s got that great bit about the news, like war, famine, disease, AIDS, you go ai, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp, chirp. Where the fuck is all this shit happening? Yeah. Yeah. I think Ted Turner’s making this shit shah up because his wife won’t fuck him.
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Well, I you know, look. I think it’s out there. Yeah. I think it’s always been out there, but I think the way to combat it is to build strong local community. Yeah. You know? And and build, you know, that’s why I think regenerative regenerative farming is really important and trying to and then, you know, voting for people that will support local agriculture and proper properly grown food and proper, you know, like sourced food and the the these things are very important.
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You know? Yeah. That’s certainly important for our community if you know exactly where your food’s coming from. Mhmm. I think we’re we’re just so it’s not, you know, in the Bill Hicks days, it was just the news. Right. But now, I think the the real problem that people have today is social media.
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And, you know, I never, I very if I post things, I just post them and then get out of there. I don’t read anything. And I very rarely read social media anymore. And since making that decision to kinda stay away from it, I think occasionally I have to dip in just to see what what’s because I’m a comedian.
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It’s part of the problem. Sure.
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You gotta know.
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And I ai need to know what people are doing, why ai everyone’s so mad, what’s happening. Mhmm. But, there’s too many people that are on it all day long, and I think it’s poison. I really do. I think it’s bad for your mind. I think it it it, generally attracts negativity. I think most of the stuff that people post is negative, and they’re complaining all the ai.
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And and and then that gets into your ai, and that gets into your whatever, you know, your your headset is, your headspace. And then you start thinking the way these people are thinking. And
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I like to be informed on what I’m talking about. You know? I really do, and that takes a lot of time. Yeah. It’s not something that I can look at something online that comes up and just have an immediate opinion on.
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Sure.
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And I think that really, I’m just like, I I don’t know where I stand on half the issues that are out there because I’m I’m Ai, you know, I see a lot of I have to sift through most of the bullshit Mhmm. Find it. Like, so really where it ends up happening is is that by the time I get to the voting booth, I’m hoping that I’m properly informed, you know.
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Yeah. It’s hard to be properly informed because it’s hard to know who’s telling the truth.
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It is.
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Like, if you pay attention to this big beautiful bill that just got passed, I’ve been trying to sort out what’s real and what’s not.
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Mhmm.
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You know, and the real fear that people have is Medicaid. Right? The real fear is that people are gonna lose access to health care. And, it’s so but then but then there was this just giant arrest where, they found billions of dollars of of fraud and, hundreds of people were arrested.
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Doctors, health care providers, you know about all that. Right, Jamie? You saw that big arrest? It’s, you know, so I saw
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something, but, you know, I just I just don’t know enough.
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Yeah. I don’t know enough either. So they’re trying to eliminate fraud as a part of this. Right. But the consequences of that is, like, well, okay. But is this gonna affect poor people? Is this gonna affect legitimate poor people that just need help? Yeah. That’s to me, that’s the most important thing.
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National health care fraud takedown results in 324 defendants charged in connection with over 14,000,000,000 14,600,000,000.0 Mhmm. In fraud. Wow. Largest justice department health care fraud takedown in history, more than doubles prior record of 6,000,000,000. Wow.
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Yeah. That’s a government website. Right? Mhmm. I don’t know. You know, I just Right. You know, I just don’t know, and I don’t know enough. And I know that there’s probably more to the story than we’re seeing.
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Oh, yeah. For sure. Ai? And so
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You know, that’s kinda how, like, controlled opposition works to you know, you just sort of, you know
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Meh Medicare Medicaid services also announced successfully prevented over 4,000,000,000 from being paid in response to false and fraudulent claims, and that it suspended or revoked the billing privilege of 205 providers the month leading up to the takedown civil charges against 20 defendants for 14,200,000.0 in alleged fraud, as well as civil settlements with over a 106 defendants Mhmm. Totaling in 34,300,000.0.
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Mhmm. Yeah. Well, I’ll have to do some research.
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Or not.
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Well, that’s the thing. I’m a I’m a musician, man. You know? Right.
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Oh, this is the thing. Like,
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I don’t wanna
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I don’t wanna waste my day going through all that freaking out about I
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think it’s important to know, but at the same time, what I what I do know is that there’s a lot of marginalized communities, whether it’s Yeah. A class issue or it’s a, you know, it it just I just see that there’s a lot of people who don’t have a lot of money who are suffering.
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And
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For sure.
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And there’s a peep a lot of people getting caught in crossfire all over the world. Uh-huh. And that it’s a humanitarian issue. You know? Yeah. And and I think you know? And so, you know, I as a musician, I have a responsibility to observe. I think as an artist, I have a responsibility to As a human? As a human. Yeah.
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I think we all have responsibility to observe.
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And I also don’t like to keep my opinion resolute. I don’t like to identify with my opinion, meaning, like, I’m not joining any teams here. You know? Great. Ai. Don’t have any teams. I wanna know what what based on if I get conflicting information, I have to make a a decision on which one’s going to sway the decisions I make going forward.
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You know, stuff. It’s not easy. In this world, it’s really not easy. But back in the day, interestingly, I think they had more of an ability to manipulate us back in the day because we only had one or two sources of information.
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Oh, no doubt. No doubt. Well, listen, as confusing and as frustrating as social media is and as dangerous as it is for your psyche
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Mhmm.
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It’s better. It’s better to have it than to not have it. Because you don’t have to listen to it. You don’t have to go on it. And that’s what I always tell people, stay off it. But it’s there for you if you eat ai, when shit pops off in the world, it’s the best source of information.
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I Google things all the ai, and they’re not there. And then I’ll go to x, and they’re there immediately. When something happens in the world, it’s on x before it’s on anywhere else.
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Well, there’s a lot of platforms. I’m sure that, yeah, that that Google is, yeah, all in the time.
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Is x is immediate. Right? It’s people that are on the ground and people that are and and independent journalists use it more often than anything else. That’s interesting. And Substack.
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Yeah. I think that, you know, I think the only thing that that Ai think I worry about with with that is that the pendulum swings so far in either direction in response to certain things.
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Sure.
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In response to perceived censorship in one way, the instead of it being completely a platform of opinions, it, you know, then censorship happens on that side with dissenting opinions. You know? And so I think that the censorship just continues to be like, okay. Well, it it it just goes back and forth.
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And so I I I have a hard time Ai have a hard time understanding, and that’s why I don’t really feel like I have proper opinion on a lot of this shit.
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Well, that’s an intelligent perspective because the reality is so many people that have really strong opinions aren’t informed.
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Well, that’s the thing. And I see people that die on uncertain hills and then Yeah. You know, but with no ability to formulate ai, that’s why I’m a musician. You know? That’s why I do what I do here because I you know, all I do is, you know, I I on the side of compassion, and I think, you know, I’m compassionate for people who are suffering.
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Ai, you know, I have compassion for suffering. I I believe that I believe that empathy can be manipulated, but I don’t believe that necessary emotion Yes. For cooperation and human condition.
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That’s a great way to put it. You know? Because empathy can be manipulated.
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It can be manipulated through psychological warfare, but I also believe that it’s an it’s never a good idea to then shut it
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off shut it off. 100%. Well said. Yeah. Yeah. That’s a really good
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And I also I will say this. Like, I think throughout history, there have been examples where people have put their faith in policy over character. Yeah. And I think that’s a mistake. Yeah. I think the character of the person implementing the policy is just as important as the policy they represent.
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Yeah. Well, you know, and today, nothing gets implemented. No. There’s no policy that gets drafted or implemented without a lot of weird influence. Oh, yeah. Influence from money. It’s always money.
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And I have no idea the depth of that. So so where ram I Right. Where am I, you know, where am I, where ai my truth lies in compassion
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Yeah.
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And in trying to reach the hearts of people and through music. Arya Day do you know Daryl Davis?
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Sure. I’ve had him on a couple times.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah. He’s great. He’s amazing.
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He’s a hero of mine.
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Yeah. He’s an amazing person.
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What a fearless person to be able to go and sit down with these people and change their hearts.
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Yeah. Hundreds of them. Hundreds of them. Collecting One on let’s tell people what he does. Sai Daryl’s a musician, and Daryl, through the course of his travels, met it start he told me the whole story. The first guy he met, he didn’t really believe him that the guy was actually in the KKK. Daryl’s a black man.
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And so this guy pulls out his KKK membership card or whatever the fuck it is. Right? And, he couldn’t believe it. And he’s ai, well, you’re not like the other ones. And he’s like, well, what do you mean? Do you know everyone that’s black? Like, what is this?
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And so he becomes friends with this guy, has dinner at his house, and then the guy gives him over the course of their friendship, gives him his robe. He says, I quit, man. I’m ai, what I’m doing is wrong because you’re my best friend, You know? Like, I I love you, and so it it can’t be true that the black man is my enemy if you are such a cool person.
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Yes. And humans must be allowed to grow.
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Yes. You
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know? We we have to be we have to allow people who have made mistakes in their past to we have to suspend judgment enough to allow that person to to grow.
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No question. Yeah. Because you have to understand, like, what influences with this was this guy subject to that led him to join the KKK in the first place? Yes. Like, what was the community that he was in? What what had be he been exposed to? Obviously, he had never been exposed to anybody like Daryl before he met him. So he meets Daryl and then changes his ways.
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Well, who knows if that guy grew up with cool parents in a different community? He would have been a different person.
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100. We’re products of how we’re we we are brought up. Yes. For the most part.
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Our life experiences and what we’ve learned and the paths we’ve taken. Yeah.
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And, you know, and, you know, there’s a lot of there’s a lot of that going on. I mean, I’m from Texas, and I’ve toured the South, and I know how that is. And there’s a lot of people that grow up being indoctrinated. Uh-huh. Yeah. And and and and with really not not good ideas. Right.
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But they don’t know until they’re able to that’s what I was saying earlier about you know, that’s what music does. I love a great example is Paul Simon played a show in South Africa just after apartheid. He when he did the Graceland album, right, he went down there, and he worked with local African musicians and created, in my opinion, one of the greatest albums of all time.
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I mean, with Ladysmith Black Mambazo doing the vocals on that and the incread Vincent Nguini, the the most incredible musicians. And at the time, that was a culturally powerful thing because there’s a show online. You can watch it. There’s there’s a you should probably pull it up.
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There’s an it’s amazing. There’s, like, Paul Simon playing for tens of thousands of black and white people in right after apartheid ends or you meh even be during ai, and they’re all dancing and bobbing up and down. It’s the most joyful thing ever. Music is powerful. It can bring people together, but because what it does is it reaches everybody’s heart, and it cuts through all the bullshit, the ai stuff. You know?
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And it and everyone can relate to having their heart broken. You know? Maybe it happened for some at a young age. Maybe it happened. Maybe maybe some people had their heart broken at age four to the point where they closed their hearts off nearly completely. But even Darth Vader had a little bit.
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You know what I mean? Darth Vader no. Everyone forgets that Darth Vader at the end of Star Wars Yeah. Redeemed himself. It’s it’s the Carl Jung, the archetype. Right?
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The the dark knight of the soul and then being able to come through that. Yeah. And, like, and really, like, you know and and you you can judge. You cannot wanna be around. Like, I think Carl Jung actually talks about, like, there are certain people and things that you can’t allow to exist because they’re dangerous to everyone else.
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But at the same time, you don’t have to judge their humanity. Right. You just ai it’s like a wasp. You have to swat the wasp because it’s gonna sting you. But, you know or or, you know, however you feel about that, you can put it ai, but you get it away. Right? Right. You know?
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But you don’t you don’t call the wasp evil. Right. There there are people that have just been corrupted for whatever reasons to the point where you just need to remove them from the situation. But I don’t I try not to have hatred towards that. I just I just sort of understand that they are where they are in their lives, and they they got there for some reason.
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Well, it’s a cautionary tale for everyone. Yeah. That that that’s the thing about today’s access to information is you could see so many different cautionary tales. You could see so many different people that went down the absolute wrong road.
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Mhmm.
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And you get to see them, and you get to shine a light on them in this very strange time. You get to sai, like, this this is you could have been that person. Anybody could have been that person. We’re all
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Sai easily.
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We’re we’re we’re we have so many similarities. All of us do. Mhmm. And we have to recognize that your unique situation in life, your unique community, family, life experiences, all the things you’ve gone through that made you who you are today Mhmm. Didn’t have to be that way.
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You you could have been in the worst circumstances, and there’s people that are in the worst circumstances, and that and they’re a product of that. And that’s the the weirdness of life. There’s not necessarily good and evil. There’s good and evil results. Mhmm.
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But humans inherently
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must have something sai.
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We arya both inside.
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We’re the yin and the yang.
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Yeah. You know? I think you need vatsal, unfortunately, too. We need to know that that exists Yeah. In order to grow.
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When people, you know, ask you know, and I’m a very lucky human. So, like, I say all of these things with, hopefully, the right perspective that I ram, as far as Ai in, like, the top 1% of the luckiest people or probably even the higher than that, you know, with access to clean water.
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I don’t have to worry about when I’m pulled over being shot. I don’t you know, there’s there’s not I there are a lot of things that I can be very grateful for. And so when I make comments about these things, you know, I can only come from my own perspective. You know?
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Of course.
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But I do believe that we all have the light and the dark inside us, ai, the the story of the the wolf, you know, the story of the two wolves inside of us, and and, you know, which one survives is the one you feed.
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Right.
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You have the light wolf and the dark ai. Yeah. And they and you just constantly make decisions in order to feed the right wolf over tyler, and some people get lost sana they start feeding the wrong wolf. And I I feel like I’ve been there before too. You know? I’ve gone through darkness and come out the other side, you know, in my own way, in my own, you know, in my own experience, you know, in my own pain, in my own heart, you know, you know, I I think the one that’s why I believe it’s so important to reach people’s hearts and why music is so powerful because we all have a heart, you know, disregarding certain sociopathic people.
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Yeah. We we all for the most part For the most part. We all have Yeah. A heart. And it’s and and and so that’s where you reach, you know.
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And I think sociopaths, you know, that’s on a spectrum too is what we’re hearing. You know what I mean? So you have people who can learn sociopathic behavior but aren’t necessarily devoid of feeling. Right.
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There’s people that become sociopaths who survive, I
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bet. Exactly. Yeah. Absolutely.
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For sure.
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A 100%.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s not that clear cut. And, you know, to to demonize people is that’s, the instinct. Right? That’s that’s how wars get started. We other an entire group of humans. They’re the other. Mhmm. You know? And I think this is tribal society behavior that developed because at one point in ai, when you saw someone from another tribe that was invading, they were coming to steal your resources and kill people.
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Yes.
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And that’s what people did.
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And and and, again, that also there’s an exception to that in the sense that, like, for example, in Germany, you know, there were there were just clear cut decisions that people had to make about survival and about, you know, like, I’m sorry, but the Nazis had to go. Right.
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You know, we can’t we can’t just say that, you know
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They’re good people. No. Everyone’s the same.
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You know. Yeah. You know. They’re they’re so far gone Right. That they just have to go. Yeah. And that’s there are certain, you know, examples of that. So it’s not like you’re you don’t you don’t have to forgive people. You just have to understand them, I think.
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Yeah. That’s what that’s why people call that the last great war or the real war. Right. Yeah. Because it’s like ai was, like, such a clear cut case of good and evil.
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Yeah. And that’s I mean, look. The I think the military industrial complex has been around since even before then. But
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Oh, for sure. Well, Smedley Butler wrote about it in 1933.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sai, anyways, that’s where that’s where Bob Dylan comes in. You know? Masters of war. You know? Yeah. You know? Look, man. I’m, again That’s
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also why mushrooms are illegal.
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Is it really?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mushrooms were made illegal during the Nixon administration because they wanted to figure out a way to stop the anti war protests. Mhmm. They wanted to figure out a way they they turned everything schedule one. They took all the psychedelics and lumped them into a schedule one because they wanted to go after civil rights activists and anti war activists. Right.
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That was the main reason. Like, this is the best way to lock these people up. Mhmm.
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Well, and interestingly, yeah, I mean, I think that that, you know right. Because the thing is is that there’s there are a lot of studies, like, about marijuana now that say, okay. It could be harmful. Right? They come out. But then at the same time, the the way that those that that’s harmful and then the the, you know, comparatively to the other things that are legal
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Mhmm.
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And allowed to just propagate.
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Yeah. Like whiskey.
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Or cigarettes. You know, like, I mean, like, you know, you have it it there’s obviously a a bias against and that you can see clearly and, and obviously, it came from this. Well, it’s also Deep sea.
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Who’s funding these studies? Right. And what what did they look for when they’re funding these studies? And did they have it was their bias attached to these studies. Like, what what does this mean? Mhmm. You know, like, I know a lot of people who use meh. It’s not harmful to them at all.
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So, like, did you include those people in that study? Like and then I know people that use meh, and it it really does over it consumes their life. It Yeah. They overindulge.
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Yeah. Ai had to stop.
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What was what was happening with you with it? Well,
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I had to stop for many reasons. I wanted to be clear headed. I started exercising, a lot. You know? I got my whoop. You know? I got my whoop right here. You know? I started tracking my speak. And I funny enough, the the sleep is really what got what got me the most because every time I take a hit or take one drink, my sleep would go to shit.
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It’s amazing when you look at the results.
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Oh my god. Yeah. It was intense. And so and, you know, I started working out heavy, and I really I had a lot of great, like, you know, I I I have a, you know, a high good engine, you know, I’m VO two and, like, I was like, you know, I really started to feel like an athlete again.
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And sai I feel I started to feel great. I started to get addicted to the high that I would get saying no Mhmm. Of being proud of ai. Having discipline. And having the discipline. I love the high that I get from exercising discipline.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah. I’m addicted to that.
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That’s a good thing to be addicted to. Totally. Yeah.
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Right? Do you get addicted to that feeling that you get that’s, like
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Self improvement.
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You know, like Goggins, he talks about, you know, all carrot, no stick. Right? Or all stick, no carrot. Can’t remember which one it is. Right? But the thing is is that for me, the reward is the high that I get from having discipline. Yeah. And I get a it’s a dopamine hit, you know, and it’s it’s just vastly more rewarding than than the the whatever temporary thing I’ll get from having a drink.
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Sai don’t know, like, like drinking that meh. But smoking weed was cool because it put me into a very, like, creative spot and kinda gave me this surge of inspiration, if you will. But it’s bad for my lungs, and there were a lot of ups and downs emotionally. I’d get high and I’d get low, and Ai get high and I’d get low.
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And and and and now this clarity, you know, that I have is just it’s incredible. You know? I just it’s just just steady, you know, it’s the steady sort of joy. Myself too. When you get clear, you have to things come up and then you look at them and you’re like and things that maybe you didn’t sana look at before, you know?
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Yeah. Habits that you had or or things in your past that you have to forgive yourself for that you didn’t really they’re they’re, like, floating in the back of your mind ai unfinished thoughts. And so with without it, all of that masking, I was able to sit and I mean, look.
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I was able to sit and write this record, which is the most clear album I’ve ever you know? It it I wanted to know who I was throughout throughout the without all the you know, I didn’t I didn’t wanna chase a a six minute guitar solo. I didn’t wanna chase I I wanted to just figure out who I was stripped away from all that. It’s funny. There’s this guy, Marcus Dowling.
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He’s a, works ai for the Tennesseean, and I was sitting talking to him in Nashville. And he was he said that when I put he he had a he was ready to listen to my record, and he was about to have a whiskey. And he first the first song comes up, and he puts his whiskey down. He’s like, oh, I I don’t wanna drink for this.
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And I think that music puts you in the state of mind that the artist is in when they recorded it or when they wrote it. Sai this this it’s it’s kind of almost, like, interesting that he decided to put his drink down when he heard this album, like, the first song because, like, that’s where I’m at.
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You know? And so I I wonder if there’s that feeling of, like, this kinda, like, it’s less of a jam band thing and more of just, like, straight songs. And
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There’s probably definitely something to that because I think that’s something that happens when someone’s on stage performing. It’s ai you let them take over your mind. Mhmm. You know? You let the music Yeah. In the song.
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It’s like creating a holographic bubble that you’re all participating in this Yes. This vibe vibe. Yeah.
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And it’s
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I mean, you were there at at the McConaughey thing, which it was an electric feeling. Right?
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Yeah. It was pretty wild. It was wild. Yeah. It was awesome.
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And I felt like, you know, it was cool to see everyone there and just, like, you know, it it just
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felt also, like, the added thing to that that, you know, they do that every year and it’s a charity. Yeah. And all the money goes to good back.
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Yeah. And a lot of charities. Right? There’s, like, five different charities that they were given to with McConaughey. He’s a he’s a good guy.
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He’s a great guy. Yeah. He’s a great guy. He’s a very wise man. He is. Ai for someone who’s an actor. You know. Yeah. A lot of them and that’s again, that’s the thing that I I have to get over because I was around so many of them in LA that were fools that I I just immediately associate acting Mhmm.
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With, like, these empty vessels. Right. That are just struggling for attention Yeah. And trying to say the things that they think will get them Sure. The best spot.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ai think that look. I mean, to become an entertainer, there’s a level of, you know, self absorption. You you you ai you know, that you have to sort of, like, accept. Alright. I got a big ego. Now can I keep my ego in check ram my whole life? Like, I think my dad has, you know? Right.
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I mean, I see my dad as a great example. I see Paul Simon as a great example. Right. I see, you know, Neil. And, you know, I see these people that, like, that they’re just they’re just artists through and through. You You know what I mean? Yeah.
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And and, you know, for for better or worse, not perfect people, but they are who they arya. And they, for the most part, I know my dad has an ego, but he he has a good relationship with it because the ego is just the representation of who we are to the rest of the world, you know.
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Well, everyone has an ego. Yeah.
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We all do.
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And the struggle with the ego is just like the struggle of with good and evil. Ai think I think part of it is necessary for you to overcome. Yeah. You need that.
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Yeah.
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You need the those and you you also need to see people fall prey
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to it. Yeah. And we see that a lot. Meh is an artist named Ren. No. Oh, man. You’d love you’d love his work. He’s like a he plays guitar, and he sings amazing. Spell it. W e
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n. R e n?
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He’s from England or he’s from Wales. He’s Welsh.
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Oh, okay.
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And he’s yeah. This guy. That dude. Yeah. So he’s got a a song called
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Let’s listen to some
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Ai. Listen to Higher End.
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Yeah. This is the one.
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Here. Put put the headphones on.
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Oh, okay.
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I’ve seen him for a while. He’s like ai he started as a busker. Right?
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One of them dudes at the, like, subway station. Yeah.
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This is a crazy song. It’s about communicating with your ego.
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What a weird fucking start to a video. A guy with a pig mask on? Oh, man. Ai, Ram.
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Hi there, Ran. It’s been a little while. Did you miss me? You thought you buried me, didn’t you? Risky. Because I always come by. Deep down, you know that. Deep down, you know, I’m always in periphery. Ran on your pleased to see me. It’s been weeks since we spoke, bro. I know you need me.
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And I’ve been making some progress lately, and I’ve learned ram new coping skills. So I haven’t really needed you much, man. I think we need to just step back and chill. Ram, you sound more insane than I ai think that those doctors are really there to guide you? Been through this a million times. Your civilian mind is so perfect to always be ai to. Okay. Take another pill, boy. Crown yourself in the sound of white noise.
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Follow this 10 step program. Rejoice. All your problems will be gone. Fucking dumb, boy. Shah, mate. This time is different, man. Trust me.
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I feel like things might be falling in place.
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Right. He just has a whole conversation with his own mind, you know, his own ego. Yeah. And it and it tries to tell him, you know, that he’s not worth shah. And then he’s like, no. Wait. I’m getting myself together. And and this whole conversation with him with and and then at the end, it talks about where good and evil isn’t a vatsal.
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It’s a dance, and no one ever wins. Yeah. You know, with their battle with their ego. It’s always just a dance, and it’s always just ai finding saloni. You know? And there’s a song I have on my album called All God Did, and it’s it’s it’s actually the same concept.
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So and and I wrote it before I heard that, but then when I heard that, I was like, oh, shit. That’s way better.
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But, you
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know, but it’s great, you know, and it’s super it’s it’s beautifully written. I mean, you know, it’s very you could tell all his influences, and then he just kind
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of adds onto that, which is. Is That dance is critical. You need that dance. Exactly. That dance is I I think this is one of the problems that people that don’t exercise. I think the struggle of exercise is oftentimes conflated with vanity. Yeah. And, I don’t think it’s that.
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I think you you can keep your body covered up to the end of time and never be proud of it, and you will benefit greatly from the struggle of ai. Because I think the struggle of exercise is is mental. Mhmm. As much as it is physical, there’s a dance that that’s ai when I talk to Goggins about it, ai, he’s the most bizarre of all cases because he’s doing it all in silence.
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He’s doing it all by himself and occasionally he lets people peer into it, but it’s it’s going on right now. Like, right now that guy ai out there running probably 30 miles today Sure. With destroyed knees. Yeah. He’s a he’s a real freak and when I talked to him about it, he’s like, I’m downloading knowledge. Yeah. That’s what he says.
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That’s great.
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He’s like, I’m in the lab and I’m downloading knowledge. Like, he’s struggling in his own mind every day and forcing himself to do it every day. Yeah. Then he brings elite athletes to try to keep up with him occasionally. Ai he brought Israel Adesanya. Israel Adesanya is former UFC middleweight champion, ai, one of the best fighters of all time. And you ai, like, he can’t even keep up with Dave, not even close.
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This is one of multiple workouts that Dave is doing in a day. Mhmm. And this guy can’t can’t keep up with him. And Dave’s 50.
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What was the part of the brain, that gets,
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Yeah.
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Enlarged that that Huberman was talking about that gets enlarged when you do things you don’t wanna do?
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I always forget the name of it, but Ram will pull it up. Yeah. The Yeah.
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Anterior mid
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I don’t know how that It should be like a a easier name. Cortex anterior or something like that. The discipline part.
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Yeah. The Just call it It enlarges Yes. Throughout your life when you do things that you force yourself to do.
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Yeah. Literally does. It literally gets bigger
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Yeah.
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Which is crazy.
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You know, being so What is
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it, Jim?
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The ant
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Anterior midcingular cortex.
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You got it. Nice. Yeah. Success.
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Medcingulate. Medcingulate.
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Midcingulate cortex. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Andrew Huberman. There you go. Doing things you don’t sana do could strengthen your brain, particularly the anterior midcingulate cortex, which is associated with willpower and tenacity. Mhmm. That’s incredible. The the the that it actually grows.
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Yeah.
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You know? So willpower is not just a it’s not like an airy fairy concept. It’s like a muscle. Mhmm.
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No. It’s incredible that willpower can be also can be enhanced. Yes. That that that’s it it it just goes to brain plasticity and, you know, and and and that’s a concept that I think a lot of people don’t understand is that we are not set in who we are. Right. We are if especially if we adopt a growth mindset
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Right.
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That we we are never set in who we are. We can always improve and refine the neural structure of our brain to where that it works more efficiently.
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Not just that, but you have to. Right. There’s it never ends. Like, there’s never a time when you’re done with discipline. It’s not you don’t just get it, and now I have discipline. No. Every day is a struggle. Goggin said that. He goes, sometimes I stare at my sneakers for, like, a half hour before I put those motherfuckers on.
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Yeah. Yeah. At, like, four in the morning Yeah. You know, every day. But here’s the thing is that it becomes a philosophical question because when you say you have to, you know, there are people who get by life, you know, and they, there is a Tibetan tradition in the that the monks do where they spend months and they take these little, like, flute things, and they and they have colored sand.
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Right? And they all sit in a circle. And it takes them months sometimes to create this beautiful, intricate sand arya, and they chant while they do it. And it’s this most incredible thing. And at the end, they go and they blow it all away. Yeah. And and it’s meant to represent the impermanence of ai.
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But then it’s meant to also pose the question, why make something so beautiful when it’s going to be it when you know it’s impermanent? And I believe it goes back to the first thing we started talking about today, which is that meaning is everything in ai, and nothing really in life inherently has any meaning except the meaning we give it.
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Right? Right. So you could go you could, like, go through life as sand on the beach that blows in the ai, and, you you know, you no one you you you wouldn’t it wouldn’t really mean much when you blow one way or another. Yeah. But if you choose to give your life meaning and build a sand vatsal and make it as intricate and beautiful as you can and make it, like, you know, as detailed as possible, knowing that one day is gonna get washed away, At the only person that it it matters to is you and knowing that you did the best you could at that moment that the wave comes.
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Yeah.
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If that’s true, they should never let anybody film them making those things. They should never let anyone film them making those things because then it becomes permanent. Someone can see it forever.
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Sure. But You
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know what I’m saying?
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But, yeah, again, I think it’s for them anyways. Yes. It’s not for everyone else.
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But, like, when you let people peer into that world and you film it, there’s there’s something about that. Like, okay. You just cheated it.
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Well, in a way, it becomes permanent, but it also I mean, is, you know, just because you see it happening
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Let’s look at it. Can you find that?
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Yeah. You sure. You could find it on there.
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I mean, I’m not dismissing it.
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No. No. I think but I think it’s an it’s an interesting question because something that lives in our subjective reality, if you see a video of that happening Right. And then you grasp the concept of it, and then that makes you consider that concept in yourself, understanding that, you know, that that the meaning is a subjective experience anyways.
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Right. Then now you understand, like, okay. What you you it it just causes one to ask the question to themselves, and I think that’s the purpose that the monks are you know, they’re they’re there as sort of, like, in a way, they’re teachers, you know. Mhmm. So they show you something that, like, then you ask, you know, inside.
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Yeah. So the what you were saying was that in response to the idea that everyone should exercise
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and and Yeah. Sorry. Discipline. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but it it’s ai you don’t have to do that, but your life will have you will experience a a a different sense of meaning Sure. You know, if you do that. And that will I think that’s enough ram me at least because I’m driven by finding a sense of meaning.
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And I think maybe because of how I grew up, you know. Maybe others aren’t driven by that, you know.
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I think that’s really important to say too. Yeah. Because you never know, like, what what is driving one Right. Sai don’t know how your brain works. Exactly. I could only guess. Yeah. I could only assume your brain works like mine. Sure. And that’s silly. That’s a silly thing to assume.
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Yeah. We don’t even know if we see the same colors.
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Right. There it is. Wow. That’s so beautiful. Isn’t it? That’s amazing. And then they’re gonna fuck that up. It’s I wrote a piece once for ai, it was Esquire or Maxim or one of those things about your body is like a sand vatsal. Yeah. That you’re you’re building this body, but one day, it will be eroded. Now they’re just sweeping it away. Mhmm. Yeah.
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And then they, ai, will they, like, dump the sand in the river
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too, though? Isn’t it? It’s kinda abstract as they swirl it. It’s kinda beautiful too.
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Yeah. Ai think how long that took them.
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Oh ai god. It must have taken forever, and they’re scooping the sand up.
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Scoop it up.
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Yeah. Look at that. Ai it with, like, these
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little things. Wow. They just tap
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on it. Look. Look at that.
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Wow. That’s
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beautiful. Yeah. That’s kind
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of amazing. I’ve I’ve always loved this that concept. Right? Mhmm. And I think that, you know yeah. Maybe they shouldn’t let you film it. I don’t know. No. I’m ai, I’m glad they did.
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Yeah. I mean, they’re letting people watch it. Yeah. And, you know, just allowing people to see what the whole thing is. And do you it’ll allow more people to understand the concept. Well, that’s
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kinda like Alan Vatsal. Like, always says, you know, don’t listen to what I’m saying. Right. Because the DAO that can be spoken is not the real DAO. Right. And yet here I am just loving the sound of my own voice and talking about it. You know what I mean? And, like problem. You know?
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So it’s ai, you know, that’s that’s that’s the great paradox of the spiritual self and understanding what that means. You know?
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Well, that’s that becomes readily apparent after you have a psychedelic experience. Sai remember one of my first ones that I had, I realized when I was trying to describe it, like, I’m trying to impress people with the way I use my words. Mhmm. I was very aware. Yeah. I was like, oh, I’m trying to impress people with my grasp of language that I’m using to describe an experience.
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Mhmm.
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And I was like, oh, that’s ai gross.
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One of the great of course, actually, when I started listening to you, it was in, like, ’20 02/2007, 02/2006, and it was, I was listening to a lot of Terrence McKenna at the time. And Terrence McKenna, talk about someone who had a grasp on the English.
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Yeah. Oh, he was amazing.
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What an incredible Yeah. Like, I’d listened to his lectures, you know Uh-huh. That were available ai.
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Psychedelic Salon is the best resource. That’s still up. Right? Lorenzo from Psychedelic Saloni, who had been on the podcast before back in the day Mhmm. He’s collected, like,
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Ram Dass conversation, I think, with Alan Watts. Oh, wow. Somewhere out there, which is really interesting.
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Well, my friend Duncan became friends with Rob Doss.
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Yeah. I actually met him in Hawaii one time. Oh, really? Yeah. I got to meet him. Yeah.
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Yeah. Psychedelic Salon. There he is.
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So it
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is, psychedelicsalon.com, and there’s Lorenzo. And, Psychedelic Salon is ai this incredible resource of all the McKenna lectures. He’s, I mean, he has because it’s it’s such a a great resource, so many people who were there at, like, you know, some talk that he gave in Hawaii sai some conference room somewhere, recorded it, and then they would send that to Lorenzo.
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And then he’d put it online and have it available for everybody. And, you know, some amazing Yeah. Insights and conversations.
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He he lived not too far from where I live in Maui. Mhmm. So I went on a whale watch with him one time.
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Really?
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With McKenna? No. With Ram Dass.
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With Ram Dass. Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. But not no. McKenna. Sai think McKenna died in when I was a kid, like, really early.
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Yeah. I think he died ai 1995
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or something.
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No. It’s a little later than that. Oh. When what year did McKenna die?
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You’re Jamie. Right? Yeah. Jamie
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I February.
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February?
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I heard you play golf.
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I do.
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And you were in a simulator earlier.
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I was.
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I I was in a simulator last night to, like, two millions of Ai hands all blistered out. Yeah.
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I had that.
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We were having a conversation while we’re getting espresso, and I was saying I can’t play music for the same reason Ai can’t play golf. Right. And then he shows me his hands. Sai Yeah. We’re all ai And you’re like, oh, that’s what
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he was just doing back there.
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Yeah. Jamie’s got this. He’s got the bug. Yeah. He’s got it bad. Well, he’s he wants to fuck his friends up.
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It’s fun.
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Yeah. It is a fun game.
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It’s fun to make people mad.
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Mhmm. That’s a weird motivation, but okay.
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Oh, you know?
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Yeah.
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There there’s a it’s funny, like, the closest friends we have are sometimes, you know, the ones we give the most shit, though.
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Oh, yeah. For sure. I mean Well, they’re the ones that know you love them, so you can give them shit.
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Can yeah.
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You can You can have and it’s fun.
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There’s nothing like that feeling of, like, having a friend that can take it and dole it out.
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That’s why I love comedians. They’re the
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best. Right.
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Right. Right. They’re the best. Just they you shit on them. They love it. They shit on themselves. Everyone’s having fun.
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Yeah. You know? Exactly. That’s one of the great joys in life, I think.
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Yeah. The people that can’t take that, boy, you’re missing out on a giant chunk of what it means to be a person if you’re so sensitive you can’t let people crack on you. Like, that’s so silly.
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Well, yeah. And yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
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You’re missing out on a lot of the fun. You’re missing out on half the laughs because half the laughs are at your own expense.
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Exactly. Yeah. You should be able to I think Ai probably laughed harder at myself than at anyone else in my life probably.
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That’s a healthy perspective then, then you’re a fairly healthy person.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, it’s funny. You know, we’re running around, you know, trying to find meaning in life and, you know, one day, you know like, one day is a crazy thought, but one day, the last remembrance of the human experience will happen.
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Yes. You know? And, Shit. It might be in our lifetime.
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Ai doubt it. I think it’ll be Ai think it’ll be because even now we’re uploaded into the AI system, you know, sai, like, something will survive, you know, some other ai.
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Yeah. Some but whatever we are will lead to whatever comes next.
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There’s a great episode of Star Trek called The Inner Light. Have you ever seen that? The first Star Trek? The real one? The Next Generation. Oh, that’s bullshit Shah Trek.
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Woah.
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Woah. Them’s fighting words, man.
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You’re a Picard
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guy? Hell, yeah. I’m a Picard guy. I’d vote for him right now.
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That’s hilarious. Ai, he probably could win.
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Diplomacy, man. The so
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this is the inner light?
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The inner light. Here’s a story. Okay. Here’s a story. They come across a probe. Alright? Mhmm. Because they’re exploring speak, obviously. If you don’t know Star Trek, they’re exploring space and the whole their whole mission is to go where no man has gone before.
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Right.
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And so they find this probe. And as they’re scanning the probe, it zaps Picard, and he goes unconscious. And he wakes up in this on this world where he remembers the spaceship. He remembers where he was, but he’s got a wife and a family and kids. And this world is being threatened by an exploding sana, and so he’s got a lot of scientific knowledge.
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So he over the next twenty years in this world
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Wow.
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He eventually grows old and accepts his fate that he has no idea how he got here, but he’s gotta live this life now, and he starts to love his wife and his kids. He starts to try and save this planet from the exploding sun. He ends up not being able to. And then as he dies, he wakes up back on the spaceship with only twenty seconds having gone by on the spaceship. Wow.
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And the probe was a had been sent by that civilization. They knew they were gonna be destroyed, so they uploaded this thing that, like, would let Picard experience what happened to their civilization and tell their story. Wow. And and so and he did it experienced it he experienced sana lifetime of forty year or twenty ai, whatever years before he died in the span of twenty seconds and then woke up at the moment of his death in that other life and then was able to now tell the story of this of this forgotten civilization in space.
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Woah. It’s the coolest concept ever.
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Okay. I’ll have to watch it now.
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I mean, it’s you know, I just told you. So Sounds so hard.
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Do you know who Joseph McGonagall is? No. Joseph McGonagall was like, he was remote viewer number one.
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Oh, interesting. He
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was the first guy.
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Yeah.
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And Wow. They gave him an assignment once without him knowing, like, where he was looking into.
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Mhmm.
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And what it turned out, he was looking into Mars one million years ago.
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Mhmm.
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And when he looked into Mars a million years ago, Mars was falling apart.
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Mhmm.
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And there were beings on Mars. They were going into hibernation. They had built pyramids and all these structures Uh-huh. And they had to leave Mars Right. Because Mars is being destroyed. Their atmosphere was being destroyed, and they had to come to Earth. Right.
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Oh. And
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it what he surmised from that is that what we are is the children of the people of Mars. That’s why we’re so different from all the other primates.
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There’s a whole movie dedicated to that exact premise
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Really? Called
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Mission to Mars. Who’s in it? I don’t know. Is it old movie? Greg Kinnear, maybe?
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Greg Kinnear.
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No. I don’t know.
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Let let let’s let’s look at it because it’s ai a great movie, and it’s about that at the beginning.
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Seen it. No. But I’m thinking
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about it. Gary Sinise. Gary Sinise. Gary Sinise.
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What year was this? February.
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Yeah. Okay. I don’t know.
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Mission to Mars. See it. Yeah. And and that’s exactly the premise of the entire movie.
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And so the premise of the movie is that these people They go on
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a mission to Mars. They see, like, a structure on the surface of Mars, so they go and they check it out. Woah. And then, like, that’s the whole thing.
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And they ai that Mars well, you know, this is not outside of the realm of possibility. No. Not at all.
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And one
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of the reasons why I say that is, like, they found recent they’ve recently found structures on Mars that are so obviously man made that it’s almost impossible to ai. Like, I showed it to Saloni, and he’s like, oh, we should go look at it.
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Okay. What here’s the thing about, like, ai
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Have you seen that? Do you know what I’m talking about? No. Show them this this the square on Mars. So there’s this Yeah. In the nineteen seventies, they took satellite photos of what looked like a face on Mars in Cydonia. And it’s kinda kinda weird. Yeah. Kinda weird, but it’s hard to say if that’s like, there’s things on Earth that look like faces. It is just, like, it’s just a natural formation. Right.
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But then they found this. This is recent. Look at that. I mean, what the fuck is that, man? Look at those right angles. Look at that. That’s on Mars.
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Yeah. And That’s interesting. That may have been a structure
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at one point. Yeah. Ai mean, look It’s too complete.
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It’s too square. It’s a square.
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Yeah. Ai mean, look, I would It
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might actually might be a rectangle. Right? Is it kind of a rectangle?
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Well, I don’t know. We’d have to measure it. I’m sure they could measure it with you know, throughout, you know. I just here’s the thing. When I looked at remote viewing, for example Mhmm. And I really looked and did research on it, the studies that were done apparent were kind of discredited about how the effectiveness of those actually were.
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So if you, like, really deep dive in, there’s literature that says that that that it wasn’t really the reason that they, you know, apparently now this is all, ai, with a bit conflicting information. You know what I mean?
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I had Hal put off on who was a remote viewer and who’s involved in the remote viewer pro the Stargate.
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Right. So what does she say about the the idea that, like, the, you know, the actual studies were not that, like, conclusive and then, you know, that’s why they
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It depends on who’s doing it. Who’s doing it? What’s the methodology? But they were ever they were able to accurately find within a small radius, a downed Russian, spacecraft. Sana Russian spacecraft ram reentered orbit and crashed. Sure. It was a spacecraft or an aircraft? Do you remember, Jamie?
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But they used remote viewers and the Russians couldn’t find it and they found it. And this is you’re talking about in, like, a vast expanse
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Sure.
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Of wilderness. It could have been anywhere. Right. But they they found the area where it was. They also found a Russian factory that was making an enormous nuclear submarine. They they found it, accurately described it
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Wow.
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The dimensions of it. Uh-huh. They knew where it was, and it was there was an accurate location. Yeah. Not just the thing that was being hidden Right. But where it was
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Right.
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The dimensions of it. Yeah. I don’t dismiss it.
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Ai I can’t dismiss anything. I just know that, like, when I looked up, like, UFO experiences and, like, you know, this this disclosure stuff that’s happening lately and and, you know, I mean, I’m a huge I’m I’m not just a believer. I’m I’m a a I pray that there is someone out there disarming nuclear missiles as you know, especially right now, like, you know, my my great hope is that there is someone just trying to, like, you know, not step in but oversee it to the point where we, hopefully, we can survive to a point of of having an interstellar civilization.
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You know? Would be it would be it’s the great dream of humanity. Right? You know?
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Sure. But we have to be a different civilization than we are now. Oh, 100%. Do the same shah.
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That’s the thing is that and that’s what Ai, you know, I I was always even before Elon was as famous as he is now, when I was, like, 15, I read his book. And the one thing that I you know, I’m a I’m a friend of, What
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was his book?
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He read it was ai a book about him maybe.
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Okay.
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But it and I can’t remember. But I what I really wanted the focus to be on was let’s put all these resources into getting this planet right first.
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Uh-huh.
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Let’s put everything we have. And, you know, it felt at the time like, okay. Well, meh, we’re spending all this money to go off, and maybe we’re hopeless. It’s possible that we’re hopeless, and it sounds like that’s where they air on us. You know? It’s like, oh, well, humanity on Earth is just is is just over.
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We just have to go somewhere else. But then if we go somewhere else, we’re just gonna do the same thing like you’re saying. Yeah. So, like, all of the resources, in my opinion, should be focused on, ai, like, there’s devices that, that that they they have invented that can be put in river mouths around the world to filter out pollution and plastics going into the ocean.
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Right? And it’s like this incredible technology. If the budgets were spent towards these innovations, you know, you know, and maybe AI will help it. You know, right now, AI is is is is kind of a tax on the planet in terms of, like, you know, it’s not very good for it. But maybe the AI technology itself will then invent something that makes itself more efficient for the planet.
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What do you mean by as a a sai?
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Well, because the energy required for the servers and all of that is so is so, you know, it it drains a lot of resource.
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Right. Right.
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And so but what AI may do is help us create, like, an ion battery or something that, like, that, like, makes energy give off less you know, you can have this much more energy with way less heat and way less Right. And so then you can create you know, instead of having to have giant warehouses full of servers, you can have just, you know, us like, I mean, like, it’s the same stuff that happened with the computer Right.
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Where the computer ai a giant building when it was first created. Now you have computers smaller than a Just
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to be clear, Elon’s position is not that Earth is, like, that humans are are helpless or hopeless, and we we have to just leave Earth. It’s not that. It’s that life is so fragile here because of the possibility, not just of us fucking it up, but of natural disasters. And that we need to become interstellar in order to propagate life and to ai. And so we can carry on this Yeah. Growth that we’re involved in as Sure.
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As a human species because
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Okay.
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There’s I mean, they just what was the number that they just found a bunch of new asteroids? Like, the the possibility of us being hit by a near Earth object is extremely high over the next x amount of hundreds of years. It’s extremely ai. And these things might not wipe everything out, but they’ll start civilization all over again. They’ll bring us back to cave people.
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01:10:55
So the idea was that the more places that we are, the more likelihood that the human race survives. It’s not just that we’re gonna fuck this up.
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01:11:04
And I appreciate wanting the human race to survive. Don’t get me wrong. You know?
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But it should be better than it
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is now. I I want I want us to learn our lessons on this planet. Yeah. And I think that that’s even more important than surviving. I mean, here’s the thing. When you ask yourself when someone asks themselves, have I lived a life worth living? Is it be is a life worth living someone who lives a very long ai, or is a life worth living someone who’s lived a good life and maybe for shorter?
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01:11:36
So is what is the ultimate effect that humanity has on the natural world and environment? Are we do we deserve to be space faring? And if we do, then I say let’s go. But Ai mean, I think
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01:11:51
Deserved by whose judgment?
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01:11:52
Well, I mean I mean, what’s the my own individual judgment at this ai,
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01:11:55
you know. But, I mean Ai mean, are we better than the lions who killed the gazelles?
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01:12:00
No. But the ai, everyone who all the natural world works cyclically. Mhmm. The the way that the lion kills the gazelle and the way that the alligator takes the, you know Tourist? Yeah. Exactly. Everything works with balance in nature. You have just enough give and take. It’s worked that way for years.
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01:12:22
And then, yes, extinction events happen, and then things die out and they but there has never been, a creature on the planet with the ability, like, we have to take as much resources as as we can Right. Without replenishing that or balancing that out. Right. So we, I think, have a responsibility as humanity to understand how to balance ourselves with the and and harmonize with nature.
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01:12:51
And I think that’s where my great hope is is that we figure out how to find a cyclical, arrangement with nature where we where just like photosynthesis, just like plants give us oxygen Yeah. And then, you know, the carbon dioxide we breathe, then the plants then sequester.
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01:13:14
Well, our disconnection to nature might be a part of our disconnection to psychedelics. That that might be one of the reasons why we’re disconnected is we’re lacking a crucial element that’s there to humble the human species.
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01:13:27
Yes. Ai think that’s the great key.
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01:13:30
I think that’s part of it. I think I really do. And I think that these monsters that were trying to silence the anti war and the civil rights movement in nineteen seventies
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01:13:39
Mhmm.
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01:13:40
By making those things illegal. Yep. They essentially they hampered our development, but not all of it. Right? So our technological development continued, but our spiritual development ceased.
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01:13:51
Yeah. And and and intellect devoid of wisdom is dangerous.
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01:13:55
Yeah. For sure. Especially, like, overcome with ego. Yeah. Intellect overcome with ego is, like, really disgusting.
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01:14:02
Sure. And and and the thing about it is is that no one believes they’re a monster. Right. Everyone justifies their their behavior. Right. And they think they’re doing good. Sure. I mean, with the exception of, like I said, a few sociopathic completely devoid of empathy individuals. You know?
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01:14:20
Yeah.
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01:14:21
But for the most part, everyone everyone justifies their behavior Yeah. For themselves. They don’t they judge themselves, and then they somehow make it well, because I’m doing this, because I’m doing this, you know, I, you know, I can sleep at night. And so they let themselves sleep at ai. And a lot of times, they should be looking at themselves and changing, but they don’t. You know? Yeah.
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01:14:43
And, like so that’s why my policy is Ai try to just always look at myself and see, could is this actually beneficial for not just meh, but for the people around meh? You know? Music has been one of the great things in life that is a win win. You know? Yes. It’s always a win win.
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01:15:00
Yeah. That’s a great way to look at it.
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You know? It’s like, wow. I’m I’m so lucky to just be able to observe, be able to play, be able to sleep well
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01:15:10
for the most part. You’re a chef for the soul. You know? Ai, a chef provides food. It’s a win win for people to eat. It’s wonderful. You enjoy the food. Oh, man. It sustains you. And I think music is, that’s a lot of what a musician is. You’re a chef for the soul.
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01:15:26
Jimi Hendrix, you you’re a huge fan. Huge. Yeah. I he was other than my dad, it was Jimmy and Stevie Ray Vaughan. And Stevie Ray being here in Austin, I sort of had a special affinity for, even though Hendrix,
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01:15:43
Steve Ray is the only one who’s allowed to do Voodoo Child other other than Hendrix.
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01:15:48
I I think you’re probably right there, you know. I mean I mean,
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01:15:50
other people can. I’m just joking around.
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01:15:52
No. No. I think I actually heard you say that with Shah. And I was like, yeah. I think I agree.
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01:15:55
Kinda right. Because he’s the only one that I can listen to where I go, yeah. Yeah. This is like a Stevie Ray version of Blue Child.
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01:16:02
Well, and he was a disciple of Hendrix. You know? He was a you know, he really sat and and, you know, and really lived that life. And the but that’s the thing that Ai learned that was the best lesson I learned, it goes back to why I am sober now and where I’m at, is because I think the greatest lie I ever believed for so long I did 15 on the road, you know, 250 shows a year.
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01:16:26
And I told myself I had to live like my heroes in order to be you know? And I think I think I think that’s what it didn’t kill Stevie Ray, but it derailed him for a long time before he got sober. You know? Uh-huh. Stevie Ray died in a tragic accident. Obviously, it was, you know, just that’s what happened.
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01:16:46
But I
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01:16:46
almost had a chance to drive him. Really? Yeah. I was driving limousines Yeah. For, this, limousine company in Bryden, and we’re supposed he’s supposed to take a limousine, but he wouldn’t take limousines. He would take cabs. He always sana to take cabs. So I drove the limousine. I drove Jeff back once. I drove, Annie Lennox’s crew.
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01:17:06
I didn’t drive I
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love Annie Lennox. She’s beautiful. She’s amazing.
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01:17:09
I went I had to drop off the crew at this restaurant, and Annie Lennox was talking, and her voice was so power it’s like the way I ai it, I was like Yeah. Her vocal cords were made out of, like, piano wire. Uh-huh. Because, like, her voice was carrying in the ram. And I and I was at the time, I was 20, maybe. And I remember, like, watching her talk. Oh, this is crazy.
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01:17:34
Like, this lady’s voice is, like, traveling, like, it’s sai it has a different power than everyone else in the in the restaurant.
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01:17:43
The voice is such an incredible thing, is it not? I mean Yeah. You know, the power of a vocal like, look at James Earl Jones. Mhmm.
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01:17:50
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
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01:17:51
Yeah. You know, like, to change
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01:17:53
Darth Vader, by the way.
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01:17:54
Darth Vader. Yeah.
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01:17:55
He is Darth Vader.
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01:17:56
Yeah. And he lived to be, what, 95, something like that. How long did that mean? He was crazy, and he was still doing that. Well, yeah. Well, that’s there’s certain ones that
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01:18:08
I might didn’t wouldn’t take limos. Like, fuck this limo. He wanted to get he liked to talk to cab drivers. He liked to get in the cabin. He liked to just keep it real.
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01:18:17
Oh, man. Even though
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01:18:18
he was a superstar, he didn’t wanna be treated like one. He just wanted to be normal.
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01:18:22
Some of the best conversations I’ve ever had have been in, like, Ubers or or Lyfts or what you know, whatever, just sitting and and, like, chatting about, like, where they’re from and, like, how they got there and, like, there’s a lot of incredible stories
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01:18:35
that Sure.
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01:18:36
You know, of, like, you know, perseverance Yeah. You know, escaping certain situations.
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01:18:42
Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. Ai mean and then, you know, this everybody’s got their own little journey, and sometimes you dip into someone’s journey and go, what are you doing, man? Yeah. Yeah. What’s going on?
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01:18:52
What you have to do? I was trying to learn a little bit of the language too. Like, how do you say this?
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01:18:57
Yeah.
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01:18:58
You know? There’s something ai there’s something that just makes people, I think, really drop their defenses when you submit yourself with humility to learn their language.
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01:19:09
Yeah. And
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01:19:10
then Ai say, you know what? Ai like, look. Thank you for driving me. I’m so glad you’re here.
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01:19:14
Right.
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01:19:14
How do you say thank you?
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01:19:16
Right. Right. Right. Right. How do you correctly pronounce your name? Exactly.
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01:19:20
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:19:21
Yeah. Well, you know, I work for the UFC, so there’s a lot of people that I I have to ask them. Tell me how to say your name. Mhmm. Because some of these names are just insane. Like, some of the names from Dagestan or from Yeah. You know, Kazakhstan. There’s so many places where it’s like Shah Rakhmanov, like Jesus Christ.
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01:19:39
Speak. Yeah.
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01:19:40
It takes forever ai I have to I can’t fuck their names up.
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01:19:43
No. I’m glad that you think that. Yeah. Because that’s a beautiful thing.
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01:19:47
Well, it’s it’s interesting. I’m fascinated by the different sounds that people choose to use as their language in different places. Yeah. It’s like human beings evolved in all these different places
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01:19:58
Mhmm.
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01:19:58
With all these different ways of communicating. Oh, yeah. They’re all different.
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01:20:03
What’s the clicking Oh, yeah. In Africa? Yeah. There’s there’s a musician, and I can’t remember for the life of me her name, which meh is it maybe Angelique Kidjo, but no. But she is she sings in and she uses the clicks and then just does this sort of oh ai gosh.
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01:20:19
It’s She uses the clicks in her singing.
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01:20:21
In her music. Oh, it’s so beautiful. Oh, man.
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01:20:23
How are you gonna wonder? Like, what what caused them to develop that ai of language? You know? It’s ai they’re all developing it in a vacuum. Right? Because they’re all the people in that arya, in that community generation after generation after generation all agree to communicate in a certain way. Yeah.
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01:20:40
You know, and then they run into people in China and you’re like, oh, Jesus. This is so different.
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01:20:44
And in China, there’s like, I don’t know how many different dialects.
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01:20:47
Oh, yeah.
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01:20:48
You know? Yeah. And they’re different, like, completely different.
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01:20:51
Oh, yeah. Well, my grandparents were from Italy and they spoke a Sicilian dialect.
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01:20:55
Oh, I’m Sicilian too.
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01:20:56
Oh, that’s On my
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01:20:57
other side. Yeah.
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01:20:57
But I meh Yeah. Me, like, learning Italian Yeah. In college.
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01:21:03
Yeah.
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01:21:03
And it was so different than the way that they were speaking Yeah. Italian.
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01:21:08
Well and I think I’m I’m I’m not certain, but Dean Martin had a a specific and it may have been Sicilian or maybe a a specific northern Italian or or Saloni, maybe
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01:21:21
it’s Okay.
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01:21:22
Yeah. But the way that he would sing Domenico Modugno’s song, you know, volare, penso que un sono cozino, rector, and he might be
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01:21:32
Ai.
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01:21:32
You know?
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01:21:32
And he would do it, and he’d go he’d, you know, he’d he’d have these, like, slang. In his version, it’s quite it’s quite different, the Italian, if you listen to both of them together. Interesting. It’s really interesting.
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01:21:44
Yeah. Yeah. Dialects are weird. Right? Sai it’s, like, people learn well, I mean, look at in America. Right? You can go to, like, New Orleans. Yeah. And people have a completely different way of talking than people do in New York City.
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01:21:56
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Have you have you heard about the new speaking of AI, the new adventures that we’re now embarking on some ai, they’re, like, using AI to communicate with animals, like whales.
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01:22:09
I saw that with cats. I saw that today that a lot AI
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01:22:13
You saw it today?
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01:22:14
Yes. AI is translating cat language with, like, 95% accuracy. They think they know what cats are saying to each other now.
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01:22:24
Do you think that will have an effect on how we treat animals if we’re able to communicate with
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01:22:28
Probably. Yeah. Well, I’m sure you’ve seen dogs when people sai, I love you, and they go
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01:22:33
roar roar roar roar.
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01:22:34
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:22:34
You know, like Yeah.
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01:22:35
Like, there’s something there.
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01:22:36
Yeah. They’re trying to say I love you. They just don’t have the same lips.
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01:22:39
Yeah. And and they’re very dogs will you know, they’re very good at mimicking. Oh, yeah. You know, and behavior of
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01:22:47
Well, they certainly understand language. Because I talk to my dog like a person. I talk to him. Yeah. Like, I can say, come on, man. Is it time to go outside? What do you what do you wanna do? You wanna get crazy? Yeah. And they’re ai, I’m like, he goes, Ai, he knows what I’m saying. Like, I can I don’t have to say it in a certain tone?
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01:23:04
I can just say it words.
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01:23:06
Yeah. It’s funny. My dad you know, Roger Tyler. You hear Roger Miller?
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01:23:10
It’s Roger Miller.
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01:23:12
Trailers for sale or rent. Ram to let fifties
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01:23:17
you know, King Of The Road?
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01:23:19
Oh, wow.
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01:23:19
King Of The Road.
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01:23:20
Yeah. That’s So ai dad and him were good friends, and he used to he used to tell a lot of great jokes. But one of them was it’s true. You start what they say, you start looking like your dog. I just got chewed out by the neighbor for shitting in their front yard. He’s got My dad has so many amazing jokes.
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01:23:43
Well, you it must have been really interesting, the people that your dad brought around. Yeah. Because, like Yeah.
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01:23:49
One one of the greatest moments I ever felt like I I was a part of was, just a sort of a normal afternoon, and I was in Ai. And I was, at my parents’ house there. And it was me and dad were sitting around, and Chris Kristofferson walks ai. And in behind walks in, they’re on their way to the airport or coming from the airport or whatever. And in walks in with a Mohammed Ali. Woah.
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01:24:16
And so I’m sitting there, and ai and dad are just picking. And Ai comes and sits down, and Chris is on one side of him and dad’s on the other, and I’m the one who got the guitar. And so we just start singing for him, and he’s shaking. He can’t speak really. You know?
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01:24:34
But you could just see meh and dad and Chris were just, like, serenading Muhammad Ali one afternoon. Wow. And we we sang help me make it through the night. We sang always on my mind. Sai sang one of my song. You know? And so it’s just like Wow. It was like a a a beautiful afternoon.
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01:24:50
I’ll never forget that moment.
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01:24:52
It must have been so strange to be constantly surrounded by these exceptional people, not just exceptional, but exceptional ai, like, the way they’re received worldwide. Like, these are, like, iconic humans. Like, Chris Kristofferson is, like, an iconic human being. Muhammad Ali is an iconic human
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01:25:08
being. Yes. He’s and, the and the the key language there is a human being, well rounded
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01:25:19
Yeah. Thoughtful,
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01:25:20
empathetic. Yeah. I mean, wise. You know? Wise. And all these people are you know, they they they made their life their work. Jimi Hendrix, I think, was famous in saying that you you you, you know, your art isn’t just the music. It’s it’s your life. You make your life the work of art. You know? And that’s what I mean, he had no problem with all the colors that he used in his whole life.
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01:25:43
Mhmm.
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01:25:44
You know? He had no problem expressing himself in many other forms other than, you know, in how he dressed and how he worked. You know? Everything was an expression of who he was Yeah. And his art. And I I you know, I’m grateful to have been exposed to a lot of those people in my life. Yeah.
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01:26:01
Yeah. This is a very exceptional childhood in that regard. Right? Because for some people, they grow up. And I remember the first time I ever met ai a really famous person. I was like, woah, this is weird. Mhmm. You know, it goes probably my mom, other other than ai seeing Jeff Beck and seeing Annie Lennox, I never really met them.
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01:26:16
You know, I didn’t really start meeting famous people until I became a comedian, then really meeting famous people until I got on television. Right. And then it was just it was odd. It was just so it was and still to this day ai, I’ll have someone in here, ai, had Bono in here.
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01:26:31
Mhmm.
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01:26:31
And
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01:26:31
it’s just weird to meh. Like, one of my first Bono meh, I was Sai ai, like, twenty five years ago, I was doing mushrooms, ram I was listening to In God’s Country. Ai got to tell that to Bono. Wow.
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01:26:41
I was like,
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01:26:41
it was one of the wildest versions of your songs, like, looking out over this canyon while that song was playing.
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01:26:48
Yeah. It’s beautiful though.
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01:26:49
Yeah. Oh, it’s amazing. Sai
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01:26:50
memory. Yeah.
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01:26:51
But it’s just weird, you know, to just accept that they’re human beings because you see them on television, you see them in all these things, and you’re and you’re you grow to realize, like, oh, we’re all just human beings. And, like, that’s part of the lesson of it is to meet someone who you don’t think is just a human being, and you realize, like, oh, all of us are human beings with
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01:27:11
all of our a great lesson. I mean and when I think that I was able to understand fame and its trappings at a young age, and that’s, you know, that’s something I’m also very grateful for that Ai, you know, was able to see, like, okay. A lot of dad’s friends, a lot of the people that that ai I grew up around didn’t make it very long because they got into this or they got into that or they or they, you know or and I see it all happening a lot to a lot of young people that are unable to handle fame.
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01:27:41
Oh, yeah.
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01:27:42
You know? And fame is not inherently a good thing. I think it’s actually probably a net negative, although it’s a necessary thing if you want your art to get out to as many people as possible or if you wanna create a living. Like, I don’t depend on my parents, so I want ai music to get out there so that I’ll have a career when I’m 90.
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01:27:59
I wanna be playing you know, I don’t wanna I I don’t I mean, eventually, I have to keep making a living, you know, and so
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01:28:06
You have to be a little famous.
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01:28:07
I I have to think there’s a part of you that had that, you know, part of of of the entertainment world where you have to make sure you have to put yourself out there. Yeah. And that’s kind of ai knowing that when you put out yourself out there, then all of the, you know, that you you get unwanted attention too.
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01:28:26
I think one of the worst things about it is the scammers on the Internet. There’s so many scammers now on Instagram and Facebook and everyone, and they prey on elderly people.
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01:28:38
Oh, yeah.
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01:28:38
And they prey on
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01:28:39
Who you mean ram pretend they’re you?
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01:28:41
They pretend that they’re meh. And they go out there, and these people are are I think they’re the lowest form on this planet, really, because these are people that have dementia issues. They have Mhmm. You know, you know, they’re elderly, you know, and they and they prey on that demographic specifically because they know that they’re more gullible Right.
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01:29:03
And don’t understand technology. And they think that I’m talking to them, and they’ll give, in some cases, thousands and thousands of dollars of their own savings in my name.
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01:29:12
Yeah.
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01:29:12
And that has almost made me get off the Internet many times. But even so, what happens when I get off is then they just run rampant. Mhmm. You know? They create new accounts, and then the people that are, you know, sort of and they they don’t want to believe it’s not me. Of course. You know? Yeah.
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01:29:29
And so, like, the people that are caught in it get caught and they get hooked.
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01:29:34
You know? I remember watching this documentary once, and it was about people that get scammed romantically online. Right. And there’s this guy who’s this, lonely man who’s in his sixties, and he had this girlfriend that he was communicating with in Europe that was nonexistent.
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01:29:51
And he flew over there twice to meet her, and every time shah conveniently couldn’t meet him. Totally. And his ai his daughter rather was trying to explain to him that it wasn’t real, that he’s getting scammed, that he didn’t wanna believe it. And in the documentary, you could see, like, this guy, like, coming to grips with it, but not wanting to believe it. And, like, oh, something just came up.
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01:30:12
She couldn’t go. She loves me.
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01:30:14
It’s the saddest thing. I that just happened to us recently. I played a show with Eric Church at Chiefs, and I had a bunch of friends there and everything. And I and we had someone show up, at the door saying that they had been given that they had been put on the list by me, that I was in a relationship with that person.
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01:30:30
And
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01:30:31
You said they weren’t just schizophrenic?
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01:30:33
Well, these people arya, in some cases, schizophrenic or Yeah. They have Alzheimer’s or dementia or memory issues or whatever. But a lot of times, they’re just being catfished, you know, or just ai, you know, like, I mean, I’ve seen there is that show Catfish that was on TV not too long ago.
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01:30:51
I don’t know if it’s still around, but, like, these are otherwise sort of normal people that get they get tricked into believing they’re in a relationship, and they have a girlfriend, and they’re online, and they get to the place. And that’s you know, these are, like, sometimes younger people that even get it it just shows you how easily sometimes even intelligent people can be manipulated.
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01:31:10
For sure.
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01:31:11
You know?
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01:31:11
Yeah. Well, it’s just the perils of dealing with this nonmaterial world. Yeah. Dealing with the Internet world.
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01:31:18
I meh, and I’m sure it happened in some ways back in the day, you know, with letters and things like that.
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01:31:24
Oh, it happened with everything. I mean, snake oil salesman. I mean, there’s I was reading oh, no. I was watching Cody Tucker today. He had something about, this guy who was treating people for cataracts.
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01:31:36
Mhmm.
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01:31:37
And it did it didn’t really treat them and actually blinded them. And he had done it to two different famous composers. This one guy was like and he was a traveling guy. He would go from town to town and and do things like that. There’s always been people like that. There’s always I mean I
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01:31:53
know and and you ask yourself, do do those people have any, like, conscience? You know, at vatsal certain point, what are they telling themselves to justify their behavior?
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01:32:04
Yeah. They’re probably just getting bryden probably they’ve been fucked over too. Yeah. Most of those people have been fucked over to the point where they can justify fucking over other people. Like, those people have it common.
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01:32:14
Mhmm.
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01:32:15
You know, someone did it to me. I’m gonna do it to them. This is the game we play.
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What is the antidote to that?
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You know, I think those people exist so you could appreciate people that don’t do that. Yeah. I think I think that’s where, like, heartless, nasty, vicious people exist. Sai if you ever been in a relationship with someone who’s just like a a real shithead, just mean, nasty, insulting. Ai. Yeah.
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And trying to diminish you as a person. Mhmm. And then you meet someone who’s not like that. And you’re like, if I didn’t know someone who sucked, maybe I wouldn’t appreciate this person.
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01:32:52
Totally.
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01:32:53
You know, and ai, that’s the beauty, ai, one time, me and my friend Bryden, we went on this, hunting trip with my friend Speak Rinella to this island, in Alaska. And we were there for a week getting rained on every day. It was miserable. Just freezing, shivering every day for a week. Mhmm.
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01:33:12
Then I came back to LA and the sun felt so good. It never felt that good. I’ve been living in LA for twenty five fucking years.
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01:33:21
Right.
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It never felt that good. Right. But I appreciate the sun. Ai did I appreciate the sun? Because I just been rained off for a speak. Yeah. Sai I had taken it for granted. Yeah. This beautiful amazing sunlight that I just just go, oh, it’s fucking sunny day. Where’s my sunglasses? Yeah.
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01:33:36
Let me drive to work and get inside real quick because it’s too fucking bright ai, you know, and I didn’t and but because of the rain for a week of rain, I I really felt it. And I remember calling my friend Steve, I have never been happier. And that’s why
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Mhmm.
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Is because it sucked for a speak. Ai I think you need that. I think you need shitty people sai that you appreciate good people. And I think when you meet someone who’s ai and, you know, someone tries to ruin your life Right. Like those people exist so that you can appreciate people that aren’t like that. Well, yeah. The yin and yang of life.
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The great another great example is that is when you have to pee so bad. Right? And then that moment when you get to the toilet Uh-huh. And it’s
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01:34:19
Beer drinkers understand that.
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Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. Or when you’re sick and you Oh, yeah. You know, and then you’re like, oh, man. It’s almost like you can’t even remember how it felt to feel good, and then when you feel good, you’re like, ai. I’m so grateful that I I feel good. Right. It’s an amazing feeling.
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Yeah. And that is the thing we take for granted more than anything is personal health. And you give up personal health for a short time Mhmm. Short term experiences, like, you know, drinking. Ai, drinking is terrible for your health, but you give it up. You give up these little chunks of your health for these, like, small bursts of release of inhibition, you know? Right.
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Yeah. I never really liked it anyways. It never really actually put me in too often, I I I always was like, yeah. I wish I hadn’t.
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01:35:07
It puts you in bad spots
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sometimes.
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Ai feel like, like, I I think the people and I’ve I’ve read this, that the people who actually sort of drink and become, like, happy with the life of the party or whatever Mhmm. Are the ones who are more likely to become addicted, obviously.
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01:35:23
Oh, for sure.
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01:35:23
You know, because there are there is a like, there are two types of people that when when they drink like, for me, when I drink, it ai makes me think more, and I get kinda depressed, and Ai, you know, like, kinda, you know, like, down, and, like, I don’t really actually Well,
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01:35:35
you’re a sensitive arya, literally. That’s literally what you do.
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01:35:41
Hold on. You’re right.
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01:35:44
Now you can lean into that. Yeah. But it’s a weird thing too. People lean into that sensitivity. They lean into it. They carry it around as a badge of courage.
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01:35:53
You know,
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it’s just fine. It’s okay. But, you know, that’s those are the type of people that Ai mean, that’s why it feels so good for them.
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01:36:01
Yeah. Exactly.
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01:36:02
When you, when, you know, you drink and then you just, like, become overly sensitive and think about things, it’s just ai, it’s because you have a lot of empathy. And the alcohol, the the release of inhibition makes you, like, be overwhelmed by the empathy. Yeah. Be overwhelmed by thinking.
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01:36:17
I mean, you know, the world is filled with a lot of weird shit, meh, and it it’s ai there’s all these different channels that you can tune into, all these different things that you can focus on.
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01:36:26
Yeah. I I I think that that, you know, the ice bath analogy for me ai, like, I love the clarity that I get after an ice bath, and I feel like sobriety gives me that. Mhmm. You know, it’s just ai it’s just like this great awake, alive feeling, and I’m living in that clarity.
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01:36:45
It’s Yeah. It’s a perfect example. Yeah. Because you have to go through it to get there.
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01:36:49
Yeah.
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01:36:49
You get out of that ice bath, you feel so fucking good.
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01:36:52
Yeah. Why do
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01:36:52
you feel so fucking good? Because for three minutes, you felt like you’re gonna die. Exactly. It’s literally the the benefit of it. Yeah. And what’s fascinating to me is Ai watch all these people try to dismiss it and all these people try to say, you know, it’s foolish and silly ai, like, the one thing those people all have in common, meh, is they all lack discipline.
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01:37:11
Mhmm. They all are fighting it intellectually. They’re fighting
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01:37:15
Mhmm.
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01:37:16
Whatever that fucking mid cingulate cortex that
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01:37:19
you Anterior mid cingulate cortex.
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01:37:21
Yeah. Theirs is weak as fuck. And they don’t like it. And so they try to diminish the people that do have it. You know, they they try to diminish it, which is just a compensation thing that people do. People are always doing that. Yeah.
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01:37:33
They are.
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01:37:34
And, you know, those voices are important too because those voices, like, you go, oh, I know why you’re doing that. Even the gaslighty people, like, oh, I know why you’re doing that.
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01:37:41
Well, it’s helped me get through life understanding people and that their their behavior comes from their own trauma and their own past.
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01:37:52
Sure. And the thing that you hate in other people, oftentimes, you hate it because you’re terrified of seeing it in yourself.
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01:37:57
Well, that’s the great that’s the great lesson. You know? I mean and or or and it doesn’t mean that here’s what I think it doesn’t mean that you are that. It just means that you’re afraid of that inside.
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01:38:09
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It doesn’t necessarily mean you are that.
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01:38:12
But I think that, yes, it’s like what you’re most afraid of, you know because
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01:38:18
you know it exists in you.
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01:38:19
Because every everything exists in all of us. Yeah. We’re the exploded universe in manifested motion. Yeah.
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01:38:25
You
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know? We are the unfolding universe every moment.
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01:38:28
Yeah. And all when you get angry at foolishness that you see in other people, you’re what you’re angry at is that that thing could be it could be in you, and it might it isn’t you. It’s just you haven’t fed it. It’s the wolf you haven’t fed.
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01:38:41
Yeah. And discipline helps with that. It helps you to understand that you are responsible for your feelings. Yeah.
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01:38:48
Yes. Yeah. You’re responsible for your feelings and also, like, there’s things that you can do that can make life more bearable.
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01:38:56
Mhmm.
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01:38:56
And one of those things is physical exertion. It makes life more bearable. And with the way I realized this is when I don’t exercise for ai three or four days in a row, which is very rare.
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01:39:06
Oh, yeah.
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01:39:07
But when it does happen, I start getting really weird and anxious. I’m like, oh my god, people are like this all day. Yeah. Ai, some people are like this their whole life.
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01:39:14
Mhmm.
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01:39:14
Where they’re just riddled with anxiety and all everything is a crisis. Every little meh every fucking moment is unbearable. I’m like, oh, this makes sense. This ai sense in our sedentary weird world or people just sitting and staring at a screen all day and Yeah. You know, and not doing things.
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01:39:33
So you’re not you don’t have you don’t have meaning. Mhmm. Right? And then, you’re just overwhelmed. Yeah.
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01:39:40
And then, you know, then you ai a protest and go out there and start fucking screaming in the streets.
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01:39:46
Well, ai. I think there’s more to that than that. But, meh, I agree. I mean, I think
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01:39:50
A lot of it is that, though. A lot of it is that. A lot of what people protest. This is a lot of protests have, like, real good purpose behind them, but a lot of the people participating in those protests are looking for meaning in their ai. And they don’t have it anywhere else.
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Yes. Well and and, you know, I mean, look, we need those people too. We need the we need those people to drive change.
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You know. Sure. If they’re organic. And then again, the problem with the this world is that the those things are manipulated. Just
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01:40:17
like us. Yeah.
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01:40:18
You have
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to be weaponized. You have to yeah. You it’s important that you don’t let your emotions be manipulated. I think that’s one of the great lessons in this wild world that we’re in. I mean, that’s what I try the most. That’s why I try not to make concrete statements, you know, unless I know at least, you know, where I air on is like, okay.
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01:40:39
This is this is the compassionate thing to support or do. I I have a a charity that I work with. It’s called Music Heals International, and it’s a music school in Haiti, in Venezuela, in India. I think there’s a presence here too. And and and it’s just I ai that I can, in concrete ways, make someone’s life more joyful and on a face to face basis.
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01:41:06
David Blaine was telling me about I I met David Blaine one time, and he was he I mean, he’s he’s a cool guy.
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01:41:13
Very cool guy.
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And and we were discussing that it’s it’s almost more powerful to be at a hospital and and and go and talk to the kids that you’re supporting in this hospital rather than to donate to that hospital and just sort of be be I I think there’s just such something so spiritually significant about being with the people that you’re helping and the joy in that being reciprocated and that that feeling of being at the you know, you know, just giving is is joy, you know, ultimately. I think that’s a really cool thing. You know? Like, there’s a great quote. A man slept and dreamt that life was joy.
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01:41:53
He awoke and found that life was service. He acted, and behold, service was joy. Ai I like that. I always remember that. You know?
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01:42:04
There’s definitely something to that. Right? Making people feel good is selfish.
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01:42:07
It is. And it’s a joy, and it’s and it’s a win win. Yeah.
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01:42:10
It’s a win win. Ai, like, you get rewarded for being nice.
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01:42:14
Yeah. And Ai mean, there’s a also, I don’t like I think the word kind is more appropriate because people can be nice and not good, but I don’t think you can truly be kind and
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01:42:26
Right. Mean it. Ai if you’re kind, you actually are thinking You
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01:42:29
feel it. You feel it. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:42:30
Where others, you’re just being polite.
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01:42:32
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:42:33
Yeah. Yeah. And you can be you could say the right words with, like, a shitty feeling to it. Like, have a good day, and you’re, like, ew. Yeah. Fuck you.
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01:42:41
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like, I know what’s behind that.
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01:42:44
British people are really good at that. Yeah. You know, they’re they’re really good at, like, saying the right words with, like, a comfy attitude behind it. Yeah. Yeah. Because that’s part of their culture. It’s, like, keeping up appearances.
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01:42:55
Well, it’s I mean, in in a way, it’s part of every culture, you know. Sure. Yeah. For sure. And I I think that, you know, yeah, keeping up appearances, you know, keeping up appearances What’s
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01:43:05
one of the things I hated the most about Los Angeles? It’s like that this the hollowness of communication. That’s my ai bias against actors and
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01:43:14
people won’t
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01:43:14
because Ai I’d encountered so many people that were, like, artificial constructs.
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01:43:20
Well, I I loved it there when I went, and I still love it when I go. I mean, I I’ve spent a lot of time. Yeah. I lived there for ten years.
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01:43:26
Where’d you live?
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01:43:27
In Venice. Okay.
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01:43:29
Well, that’s a little different.
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01:43:30
Venice is, it’s
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01:43:32
ai of an art. At least it was before it was overwhelmed with homeless people.
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01:43:35
Here’s what
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01:43:36
Ai think about community.
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01:43:37
About Los Angeles is Los Angeles is like the cave in Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. And when Luke asked Yoda what’s in there, and he says only what you take with you. Because you can go to LA and find any type of energy. You can go to you can go to LA and find any type of person. There’s groups of really amazing people, and there’s groups of people who are lost.
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01:43:58
You know? And there’s different arya, and there’s different places Sure. That, you know, where these different types of people congregate. But but LA is a very powerful place. It’s a lot of moving play, you know, and I I prefer to be in places that are less there’s less movement. I I’m a I I live in Maui.
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01:44:17
I have my friends in Maui. My best buddy, Matt Miola, is a professional surfer, and he’s a bow hunter. And I you know, and my, my friend Ollie works construction. And, you know, when I go home to Maui, I like a simple life. You know?
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01:44:31
I like, you know, my my friend, they’re all fishermen. They’re all Mhmm. You know, I like to go out there, and and that’s how I wanna raise my kids. You know? When Ai wanna be out there in nature, I wanna be giving and taking with the land, and I wanna be able to understand the planet that I live on by working with the Earth and working with you know?
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01:44:51
And, and that community in Maui there is a really special place. You know?
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01:44:56
Well, I think Hawaii in general is a very special place because it’s surrounded by ocean, and I think there’s something about the ocean that gives you humility.
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01:45:05
Mhmm.
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01:45:05
And ai, like, lets you understand that you’re a part of nature because That’s
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01:45:08
where we came from.
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01:45:08
Yeah. We came from it. And not only that, it’s so huge and massive and overwhelming. It’s like the mountains. Mountains have a similar effect. It’s ai they’re they’re they’re so vast. You you can’t have much of an ego when you’re No. In their presence. It’s ai
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01:45:23
other favorite place is Montana.
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01:45:25
There you go. Mountains. And,
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01:45:26
you know, other than, you know Yeah. I mean, I I anywhere there’s nature, but I I really like I I like, that’s being in the mountains of Montana and being on Hawaii, there’s only a few places in life that I actually am sad when I leave. Like, Like, I get really upset when I leave. You know, it’s like breaking up with someone, you know, when you have to leave.
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01:45:45
But
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Yeah. When you write, do you have a purpose in ai, or do you just sit down and try to find out what comes to ai, or do you have a thought in your head before you write? When my
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01:45:56
best work comes, it just, it’s like a conduit. It, like, comes from another place. And I I hear I hear, like, a like, when I was 11, I wrote this song called You Were It. And, and I was on the school bus, and I started hearing this song in my head. And I realized that it hadn’t been written yet.
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01:46:19
It was something that was coming from, I guess, my own experiences, but also filtered through somewhere else. It felt like it came from somewhere, you know, like it was a download. You know? And I I I think that Ai look at I look at writing as if, like, there’s a beautiful muse sitting there, and she’s giving me these gifts every once in a ai, and then she sends them to me.
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01:46:44
And if I’m open and clear and not in my own way, and I’m, you know, if some if I get, like, an something that hits meh, like, a a a clever line like, there’s a song I have called Find Yourself, and I was like, I hope you find yourself before I find somebody else to be my love.
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01:46:59
And I start singing that in my head, and I start ai, oh, the melody comes, and it’s a gift. And I ai I wherever I’m at, if I was got one right now, I’d have to write it down while we were talking.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? I have to sit down and be like, hold on. Let’s write a song. You know? And but I it it it I try not to, you know, I can’t force her to send me because they’re gifts. You know? Yeah. And I it’s like my dad always says, like, waiting for the rain to fill up the well. You can’t force the rain to come. You just have to wait.
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01:47:29
And the real stuff comes when you just allow yourself to receive it.
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01:47:32
You just and I think I like what you just said too, getting out of your own way. Yeah. Because that’s the thing. It’s ai these ideas are out there, but you’re sai in your own head and so worried about yourself and your own bullshit that sometimes, like, you you block them. Yeah. Because all of your attention is on yourself.
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01:47:50
Oh, yeah. I mean, I’ve I’ve you know, and you overthink it, and you analyze ai, and
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01:47:54
How am I gonna look? Yeah. And is Is it gonna be cool? People gonna like it?
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01:47:59
Oh, yeah. That’s the big one. Is this, like I think a lot of people get caught up in, like, well, you know, like, this latest record, you know, people like, I didn’t wanna be too flowery with it. I didn’t I wanted to write simply what came to meh. And sometimes the songs are simple.
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01:48:15
And I think that simplicity for some people can be like, oh, well, what about the the intricate arrangements, and what about the long jams and the exploration? Ai, that’s not what came to me.
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01:48:27
Right.
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01:48:27
And I I can’t cater to those people. You know? Right now, where my heart is is Zen. It’s I’m trying to be as simple as I can be in terms of just only putting out what comes to me at the moment. And and sometimes people aren’t gonna like it because they’re used to me rocking and jamming and doing all that, or they’re used to me doing that.
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01:48:47
But that’ll come back. It’ll come back around. You know? There’s there’s a time and a place for everything. And right now, I just I have to be I have to be open to it as it comes, not as I want it to be or as I think other people will want it to be.
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01:49:00
You know?
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01:49:01
That’s it. Right? You know. Yeah. You just have to whatever the and the thing has to be ai pure in its form. Yeah. And don’t over molest it with a bunch of different production values and fucking ways and so on.
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01:49:15
Be the it yes. Exactly. Yeah. And and I I I prefer I mean, when I listen to my heroes, you know, Hank Williams, dad, Merle Haggard, Stevie Ray and and Jimmy are arya, look, what came to Jimmy was an explosion of color and sound. Mhmm. I mean, when I hear his music, I see colors that are like, I can’t even describe in real life.
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01:49:40
Right.
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01:49:41
Might have something to do with the psychedelics that I also took. But at the same time, I it’s I think that other
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01:49:46
people he took.
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01:49:47
And the and and that’s the thing is that he Yeah. It goes back to what we’re saying. Like, the state of mind that he was in A 100%. He captured, and he put it out.
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01:49:56
Imagine writing voodoo trial if you’re sober. You know?
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01:49:59
You you know, like yeah. Exactly. And and there’s a time and a place for it. You know? Yeah. You know? And and but, you know, I have hundreds of songs I have not released that I wrote at different times in my life, and I’ll eventually put them all out, hopefully, if I’m lucky.
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01:50:14
You know?
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01:50:15
Do you just go back to them and look at them every now and then?
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01:50:17
Like, how
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01:50:18
do you how do you file them away? Do you have them on a computer?
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01:50:20
On a Dropbox file.
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01:50:22
Oh, okay. Yeah.
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01:50:22
And so every
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01:50:23
time then you check them out.
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01:50:24
100 songs in there, more probably now because I write them all the ai, you know, and and, yeah. It’s ai it’s just kinda it just it’s like sometimes it’s like, ai. I wrote another one. It’s gonna go there, and then that one shoots to the top of the list of the one you’re interested in because you just wrote it. And then Right.
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01:50:41
Something that might be really great just gets kind of pushed down and then, like so what really you really have to do is each project that comes up, you have to say, what am I trying to what am I trying to get across Right. Right ai? And it’s not about whether a song is better or worse. It’s about what what am I trying to say and how do I present that. You know?
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01:51:01
And so I have to collect 10 or 12 or 14 songs from that that kind of fit in this in a narrative Mhmm. That you’re trying to put out there.
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01:51:11
And do you write a pen to paper, or do you write on the computer? Like, how do you do it for the most part? You write on your phone.
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01:51:17
I do it for the most
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01:51:18
part. Really?
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01:51:19
Yeah. Well, because Ai I have fast thumbs.
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01:51:21
Okay.
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01:51:22
And my brain works really fast. And when I get really excited, I’ll write it down there. I can read it properly. Sometimes I’ll write on a piece of paper. Don’t get me wrong. Yeah. I’m Sai, Do you ever talk it to your phone? Like, you I could I use voice memo to record everything.
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01:51:37
So a lot of the demos that I have are are just voice memo to phone because my brain’s working fast, and this thing works pretty fast.
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01:51:45
Yeah. You know, voice memo has a transcription aspect to it too now.
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01:51:49
Oh, I didn’t even realize that.
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01:51:50
Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been using that a lot. So when you ai works on both Android and on, iPhones. Yeah. But you when you, make a voice note, it can transcribe it now. So, like, what I’ll do is I’ll, you know, record sets, and sometimes we do we do this show with the comedy mothership called Bottom of the Barrel, where you have like a whiskey barrel.
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01:52:10
Mhmm.
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01:52:10
And inside is all suggestions from the audience. Just put your hand in there and pick out a piece of paper and pull it out. It’s like tomato soup or whatever.
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01:52:17
Right.
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01:52:17
Right. And you just have to start talking about it and try to find something in there. And every now and then, it’s like, you know, one out of x amount of times, you have a genuine idea that becomes a bit. Sure. And the best way for me to fish those out is to go over the transcription instead of just listening to myself for an hour.
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01:52:35
Yeah. I mean, that’s great. I didn’t realize that was a feature, and I’m I’m gonna start using it. Yeah.
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01:52:40
It’s pretty dope because you could just talk and it’ll transcribe ai, and then you can copy and paste that transcription into voice note or into notes. Oh. And even notes itself has a voice memo aspect to it now. Oh. Wow. So if you go to Wow. Just when you’re in notes on on an iPhone, like, you can actually make a voice memo Right. Voice note from vatsal, and it’ll transcribe that for you.
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01:53:03
When you’re doing a set, do you have people put their phones away?
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The club has
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The club does that.
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Yeah. We have most comedians
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do that. Right? Because they’re trying a lot of material out.
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Yeah. You’re trying material out, and also you don’t want people distracted. It’s better for everybody. Oh, man. Yeah. It’s better for the audience. It’s better for you. And also, you’re saying a lot of stuff that’s, like, not done. And if somebody releases it because they want clicks and then they put it on you, do the fuck the whole bit up because it’s not done.
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It’s ai and a lot of bits, they suck at first. Like, you don’t know where they’re going. Like, you you have an idea, and the only way comedy really gets made is in front of a crowd. I have a lot of ideas that I think are really good until the audience tells me different. Yeah.
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You don’t know really have no idea until you say it in front of people.
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That’s interesting. Yeah. And then it’s very much the same for, you know, in music. I I feel like there’s stuff that I try out live. You know? There’s a song new I do a lot of new material live just to see how the audience will react.
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Does it feel weird the first time you sing it? Yeah.
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Yeah. It depends on what type of song it is too. If it’s a song that ai focus on the lyrics, you know, then sometimes it feels weird because a lot of people when they listen to music, they don’t hear a lot of like, ai, it’s hard. It takes a certain type of listener to listen to lyrics and be able to internalize them.
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A lot of people take the song as a whole and the melody and they hear it, and they’re like, oh, this song makes me feel good. And then later on, if they like the song, they’ll go in and listen to the lyrics. I’ve found a lot of people listen to music that way. And then it takes them a while to actually hear what you know, unless unless it’s a stripped down me and a guitar with no band around, and then it forces listener to then listen to the words, you know, which I actually I really like doing that ai.
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I like just playing just me because then it it it there’s no distraction around, and it’s sort of just me, a guitar, and the words that I’m saying, and I think they have more impact sometimes that way.
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Yeah. People love that too. That’s why they love acoustic performances. Right?
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Yeah. Exactly. Like, Bob Dylan was an amazing Paul Simon again. I I you know, these are people that I I Ai cite a lot, you know, in in this in this sai. But, you know, Sierra Farrell. Do you know Sierra Farrell? Oh my god. She’s on my new record. Stephen Wilson junior, he’s another great, amazing country singer songwriter.
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Sierra Farrell has one of the greatest voices I’ve ever heard.
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Really?
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Oh my god. Yeah. You got you really love her music. And and and, Stephen Wilson junior, not only does is he a great writer, he used to be a food scientist. So he was a he was a food scientist, and he and he wrote songs kind of as a hobby on the ai, but he was responsible for, like, what percentage of what sort of, you know, goes into making dog food and, like, things like that.
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It was really interesting. Yeah. And he and now he’s, like, really hitting it off. He’s he’s he’s a great artist.
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That’s interesting. Yeah. Like a food scientist to well, yeah. I guess there’s probably an art to that too. Right?
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Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Yeah. Create something delicious. Well, you could be a evil food scientist creating junk food that’s, like, super addictive. I think
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there’s a lot of those out there, man.
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Oh, hell yeah.
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But But I don’t you know, do they think they’re evil? They probably just, you know, getting a job, you know,
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getting the job done. They’re just doing their job. What’s their job? Yeah. You know? I mean, a lot of these food companies, unfortunately, are now owned by the same people that used to own tobacco companies. Right. Or still own tobacco companies.
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Yeah. That’s interesting.
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Yeah. So then did they develop super addictive junk food? Family farms, man.
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Family farms, regenerative farms, support your local family farmer.
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Yeah. You don’t have to eat junk food.
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No. You
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don’t. But also, you can. Yeah. Just don’t eat it all the time. Yeah. Twinkies are great. Yeah. They make you feel like shah, but while you’re eating them, they’re delicious.
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Yeah. I like, I think as far as junk food goes, I’m just a good old Snickers bar.
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Oh, yeah. Snickers bar. Great. Sai I don’t even know if Snickers bar is, like, really junk food because there’s place for Snickers bars. Yeah. Like, if you’re
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in
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the backcountry, sai, if you’re ai. Yeah. Snickers bars is
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Well, it has nuts, some some protein.
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There’s plenty of sugar in it too, which you’re gonna need if you’re burning off a shit ton of calories. You’re operating vatsal calorie deficit and sometimes that’s like exactly what you need, you you know. You need ai a little bit of protein, a lot of sugar
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Mhmm.
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And, you know, it helps fuel your muscles. Yeah. And it gives you just simple simple simple calories.
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What what were you I think I just heard you were talking about this, was it George Foreman? He used to drink a Coke after
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each No. Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather. Yeah. He drank Coca Cola after he worked out. Yeah. Yeah. There’s there’s something to that there’s something that as hard as he worked out, just like immediate sugar after exercise to replenish the body. Yeah. My friend, Corey Sandhagen was talking about that.
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Okay.
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That he does that. Yeah. You know, he’s he’s a big fan of, like because he’s an MMA ai, and so he’ll do two and sometimes three workouts in a day. Mhmm. And, you know, like, if you’re gonna do that, you have to do something after a hard workout to replenish the muscles Sure.
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In order to be able to work
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out And the carbs then replenish the muscles.
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Yeah. You need those sugars. Yeah. Yeah. You need fruit. You need fructose. But wouldn’t
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you want it to be, like, a more pure, like, form of sugar than the like, isn’t there aren’t there different types of, like, refined sugar is not, you
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know Yeah. Perhaps. But also the the, like, high sugar stuff gets in the muscles quicker. That’s the argument for doing it, like, right after a workout.
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Okay. Yeah. And is when what is right after? Is it, like, within fifteen minutes?
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I think it’s within thirty. Ai think that’s the argument. I mean, you have to, like, look at I mean, there’s a lot of exercise scientists that I’m sure would have arguments one way or the other, which is interesting. So they can’t all agree. Right. You know? Yeah. There’s a lot of arguments. Yeah. But, you know, it also depends on what kind of exercise you’re doing.
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You know, are you a weightlifter or are you a marathon runner? You know, because, we had Courtney Dauwalter, on the podcast once and she does ultra marathons. And, you know, my friend, Cam Haines, who also does ultra marathons, sai, like, she’s, like, one of the toughest human beings he’s ever met in his fucking life, and she exists on sugar.
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Shah eats ai candy and drinks beer. Mhmm. It’s like Wow. Ai, it’s not, Yeah. She’s not, like, formed in a lab.
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Ai, whatever will power that she has vatsal allows her to, you know, she’s beaten people. What she does, like, these 250 mile runs, where the second place person is ai eight hours behind her. Wow. Which is just bananas. Yeah.
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That’s The idea of like you could run 250 miles and then saloni place, it takes them eight hours longer than you to run those 250 miles.
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Wow. That Yeah. That’s gotta be genetic slightly too. I mean, it’s gotta be ai the VO two max is pretty high.
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I don’t know genetic. It’s body type for sure. You’re not gonna meh, like, a six foot five, three hundred pound man that can do that. Sure. Because you you you form physically can’t really you you there’s so much of a physical energy requirement to move that much mass in defiance of gravity over long periods of time.
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Most of those people that are ultra marathon runners are very slight small people.
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Mhmm.
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Like Ram, when he gets ready to do ultra marathons, he loses, like, quite a bit of weight. Mhmm. You know, ai, at one point in time, he was, like, in the high one eighties, and now he’s down to, like, one sixty. And he’ll get even lower than that. And how tall is he? He’s my height, so he’s, like, five eight.
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Okay.
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Five seven. Uh-huh. So he’ll get down to, like, one fifty something. Okay. When he’s gonna do, like, Shah sana gonna do, like, a 250 mile race. Yeah. But it was ai a that ai of mindset is a crazy mindset. That’s like a very unusual punishment that you’re gonna put yourself through voluntarily.
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Yeah. When Chris ai, Chris Christofferson died, it hit me real hard, and I went and ran. I just kept running like Forrest Gump, and I ran just 13.1 miles. I stopped when I got half a mile half a meh, and I I was worked. I was like, oh, man. Another 13.1 miles for a marathon? That’s a lot.
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Well, you build up to it. Right? That’s the whole thing. Yeah. It’s like, you know, like, if someone wants to work out tomorrow and they never worked it, ai, I’ve done this with a lot of my comedian friends. Mhmm. I take them to the gym, I go, look, we’re not gonna break you. Ai. If you’re gonna work out with me, we’re gonna it’s gonna be very easy.
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And you’re gonna maybe wanna do more, but I’m not gonna let you. Mhmm. Like, I’m gonna make you do a certain amount of push ups, sai certain amount of body weight squats. We’re gonna do a few of these and a few of those, and then we’re done. We’re done. And I don’t want you to be tired.
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I want you to be just a little energized. And then, two days later, we’ll do it again. Yeah. And then, we’ll do it again. Yeah.
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And then, we’ll
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do it again. Yeah. And then,
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we’ll do it again. And then we’ll do it again. And then after a while, your body gets stronger. Like, now I’m gonna require more of you. Now we’re gonna actually exert. Yeah. And now okay. Now you’ve got some muscle mass. Now you’ve got some endurance. And now we’re gonna build on top of that.
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Mhmm.
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The way I describe it, I’m like, you’re building a mountain one layer of paint at a time. Wow. You know? And That’s
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a good way to describe it. Do do you do the, the, scans, the body scans? Oh, Dexa scans? Dexa scans.
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I have in the past. I haven’t done one in a long time.
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I just found this guy, Colin Anderson. Two hundred eighty seven pounds did a 100 ai. Woah.
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That’s the setup you
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do, like, to break the world record.
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Ai like it says ultra large.
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Yeah. That’s the name of the little documentary they made.
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So he’s two hundred eighty pounds and he ran an ultra marathon? Yeah.
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100
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Wow. That must have been hell. Ai incredible.
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Weight he lost at the end of the video there too.
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Oh my god. I bet he lost 50 pounds.
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It just checks right here.
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How much weight did he lose?
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About to find out. Skip ahead. Spoiler alert.
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Spoiler alert. Get to the end.
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Such wait. Gained weight. No. It’s two ninety seven, it says.
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What did he weigh before?
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That’s two eighty seven is what I was seeing.
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What? How’s that possible?
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Do you have
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ai pound weight gain after a 100 pounds arya 100 miles tyler hour? What the fuck did you eat, bro? Wow. Crazy.
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I mean Yeah. Was he he must have been eating the whole time, like, right ai, every few miles.
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Every five minutes. Yeah. That’s incredible, though.
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Ai guess.
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I don’t know. I guess.
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Oh, yeah. Your body probably is doing everything it can to keep the water.
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I mean, I can only guess. Yeah. That’s pretty wild.
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That is interesting. That’s ai I didn’t expect to see. Yeah.
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Yeah. To be that big around a 100 miles is very, very unusual. Most of those guys are super slight and, you know, they just keep on trucking.
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Yeah. Did you read that book a long time ago ago it came out? I think it was called Born to Run, but it was, like, about the Tarahumara tribe. Mhmm. They run barefoot.
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Mhmm.
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And, I I don’t remember what it was actually called, but it it really interesting. Yeah.
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They run through the mountains. It’s ai a South American tribe. Right?
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Yeah. South American or or even Meh. I can’t remember.
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Is it Mexican? I don’t remember.
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But, but the Tarahumara is what they’re called, and they would run barefoot. You
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know? Wild. Mhmm. What the fuck?
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And and, apparently, they, you know, they, they would they would also run, which was interesting, they would run happily. Ai. And they would have smiles on their faces, and they’d be light and that and they said that that was that helped them sort of lightly grace themselves through the the mindset that they had when they ran helped helped them to outperform everyone else.
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Well, they’re probably doing it all the ai. And in order to be able to run that meh, again, you’re building slowly but surely building on top of what you had before. Right. Like, you can’t oh, it’s like if someone wants to just get out today and run a marathon, don’t fucking do it. Right. You’re gonna blow your ankles apart.
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You’re gonna fuck your knees up. You’re gonna ruin your hips. Like, don’t do that. Don’t do that. Run around the block. Yeah.
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And then the next day, maybe bryden twice around the block. Yeah. But you have to get better the same way you got sick. Uh-huh. Like, you didn’t get unhealthy, you know, in a day. Right. You got unhealthy over the course of a long stretch of life.
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Do you run? Do you like to run? No. You don’t run? No.
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I’ve done it. Uh-huh. I have a knee issue. And Do you swim instead? I swim. Yeah. I I do. But most of my, cardiovascular exercise I do on, Ai bike. Oh, it’s okay.
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Ai I hit the bag. But does the bike hurt your knee too?
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No. No. It doesn’t. No. Because you’re not pounding. Right.
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There’s no impact.
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Knee surgeries, you know, from all years of martial arts. So I have, like, one knee that has meniscus missing. And I can run.
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I Ai
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do, but I just don’t think it’s the best thing,
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you
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know, for someone who’s got, ai, a then again, there’s Goggins who has, like, fucking zero meniscus, and he’s basically bone on bone just running around. But he gets a bunch of operations. He’s on, like, seven or eight operations to try to correct his
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Yeah.
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Knees that are fucked up from doing this. They put plates in there and shah, and he wears them out, like, it’s nuts.
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I you know, I respect the guy, but that’s a lot.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, he’s ruining his body, and he’s hoping that science will get to a point where they could repair all that shit Oh, Sai understand. Without him having to
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get a knee replacement. He’s, like, placing it on that.
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Well, it’s ai you can get a knee replacement now. Uh-huh. Right? And you’ll be in significantly less pain. But once science comes around, well, they’re they’re getting closer and closer every day Mhmm. To be able to completely regenerate cartilage, meniscus, and all that tissue that you have inside your knee Wow. That keeps it healthy.
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If you decide that you sana get a knee replacement, that ai stops all that because now you have an artificial knee. Right. And you can’t regrow a knee once you’ve cut your knee out.
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No. You can’t. Yeah.
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And so this is why he’s not doing that meh, I think. He’s talked about it. He’s ai, maybe someday I’ll have to, but Right. Right now, it’s just he’ll just deal with it. Wow. You look like you have to pee. Do you?
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No. Okay. Ai. Good.
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You’re weaseling around a little bit. Because I always like to get sensitive to guests, like, if they’re moving around a little. I was like, oh, you gotta pee?
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Well, now let me take an assessment now.
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Because we’re ai two hours in.
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We are two hours in.
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At least.
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Yeah. I I feel good though. Okay. I don’t have to pee. I just sort of like yeah. I I guess I’ve just been sitting a ai. It’s kinda
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like Yeah. No. I do that too. I do that too. Yeah. The but the for people out there that are thinking about, like, oh, this is inspiring meh, start slow. Yeah. But do it again. Right. Make sure you don’t just get inspired one day. Yeah. Inspiration is great. Discipline is better.
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You know what I did? What which I loved is that really helped me was in like, wherever I would walk, just in general Mhmm. I would just do a little, like, jog in instead of walking somewhere. Mhmm.
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I just go, like, you know Just
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a little something. Just like just like this. Yeah. It’s kinda like almost like this, and I’d walk wherever I was going. And and I started to do that every day just instead, like, oh, you know, instead of walking to to get my coffee in the morning, I ai do a little jog, you know.
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And throughout the day, Ai do that. And, eventually, I started, like, wanting to get you go out for a run. Like, my body just started warming up. Right.
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I started, like,
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ai and I kinda
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wanted to do that. Same concept. Yeah. Yeah. Same concept. Build it up slowly.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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Just do something, people. I’m telling you. Just go fucking do something. Find a yoga class. Do something.
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Treat your body like a temple.
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Well, just just for your bryden, you know, you gotta understand that there’s a connection. If your body is sedentary, it’s just sludge. It’s all just blah. It’s all blocked up and blah. Meh. That’s true. That fucks with your mind. Mhmm. Some mentally unhealthiest people that I know are all terribly out of shape.
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Yep. And then you I mean, you know, there is a correlation for sure.
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100%. You know, this is this life. This life is you you’ve you’ve given you’ve been given this meh vehicle, and you gotta maintain it.
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It’s a good band name.
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Meat vehicle? Probably already exists. Probably. It probably has some banging songs. It’s probably a hardcore band.
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Definitely a hardcore band. Meat vehicle. Wait. There are some other ones. Oh, Biblically Accurate Angel.
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Oh, biblically accurate angel. Have
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you seen what a biblically accurate angel Yeah.
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They look like aliens. That
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is pretty cool.
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Yeah. They look like geometric patterns. Yeah. I always wonder what the a you know, Tucker Carlson’s convinced that aliens and devils are that’s that’s what, you know, like, angels and and devils and aliens are all the same thing. He thinks that they’re not visiting from somewhere else, that they’ve always been here, and that there’s some sort of spiritual aspect to, like, the UFO encounter, UAP phenomenon.
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Oh, I see. Yes. Well, there’s a lot of interesting pictures that are, you know, drawn on cave walls Oh, yeah. And things like that.
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Oh, we’ve gone over a shit ton of them. And then also ancient religious art where it looks like people are in vehicles flying through the sky. I’m sure you’ve seen those too.
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Right? Too.
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Yeah. Like, what is that? Like, what are you trying to there’s no other stuff that you’re in that thing that’s fantastical. Everything else is ai an accurate representation of life at that time
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Yeah.
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Except for these people that are in these flying things in the sky. Like, what is that? Yeah. We just don’t know. I I you know, when
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I looked at all of the credible UFO reports, the only ones that really had no explanation I actually asked chat GPT, of all of the credible UFO of all of the UFO reports, which ones have not in some way been sort of explained? Mhmm. Right? And which ones are the ones that are still, like and the one that was not the one that’s still sort of outstanding is the USS Nimitz experience.
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02:10:48
Commander David Fravor. Right. Yeah. I’ve had him on the podcast talking
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about it. Really? Yeah. Yeah. That seems to be the most compelling.
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Mhmm.
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There’s other ones, though. Yeah. Ryan Graves, he’s another fighter pilot, and that was off the East Coast. So the Nimitz is off the coast of San Diego. Mhmm. But off the East Coast, they upgraded their sensors in 2014 on the fighter jets and then immediately started encountering these things that defied known physics shah were in the sky.
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And, you know, and these guys had these encounters with these things that were ai a cube inside of a sphere Sure. That’s ai motionless at a 120 knot winds and no heat signature Right. Moving through the sky. They don’t know what the fuck they are.
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What what what do you say the theory that of the possibility that that is, sort of black ops? Like, the idea that the s r 71, I think Mhmm. Blackbird? The Blackbird. There’s a there’s a company called Skunk Works. Right? Mhmm.
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02:11:51
And they were they were responsible for the declassification of that aircraft, and then I think the f one eleven or the the stealth bombers and the you know? But since then, and that was, like, twenty five years ago or more, there have not been any more declassifications.
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02:12:08
Yeah. That’s a good argument.
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I I just I’m curious as to, like, what, you know, what in twenty five years, based on the technology that we’ve been able to see that makes it to modern society, how much is, you know, held back and what we don’t sai, you know, ai just interests me. And I and I I I don’t know. I don’t have an answer. You know? I’m not asking myself whether you know?
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02:12:34
I don’t I actually believe that it’s it’s almost unlikely that we have that technology, But because I feel like it would just take so much more than we may be capable of to cover it up, but maybe not. I don’t know.
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02:12:49
Yeah. I don’t think it would. I think there’s a high likelihood that a lot of this stuff is ours. Ai I think one of the reasons for that statement is that this stuff always happens over military airspace. Yeah. East Coast and West Coast. Ai, so the East Coast stuff, the Ryan Graves stuff, they’re doing it over areas where these fighter jet pilots run training missions. Yeah.
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02:13:07
And then the same thing as the West Coast stuff. Right. Ai, that where it’s off the coast of San Diego, which is ai tons of military out there.
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02:13:13
Yeah.
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02:13:14
I I do believe that there’s some programs that are operational, and there’s a great, podcast. Jesse Ai has an amazing YouTube channel that’s he’s he’s covered this stuff, like, really extensively, and he’s a brilliant guy. Mhmm. He really understands it. And they were working on some anti gravity technology in the nineteen sixties. Yeah. And most ai, they continued that work.
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02:13:34
Yeah. You know, artificial horizon technology and stuff like like that, you know, that that I mean, it’s gotta have come far since then.
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02:13:41
Yeah. And there’s the ai that they could hide all that stuff, no, they could never hide it. Of course, they could. Of course, they could. They definitely could. You you being naive. You being naive as to how much the the government No.
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02:13:51
Ai I’m I’m only asking the question. Ai don’t mean you. Yeah. No.
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02:13:54
People that say that.
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02:13:55
I actually pretty much that’s where I lean towards when it comes to that.
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02:14:00
I think some of it, but some of it also could be from somewhere else. And I think some of it just exhibits, like, the the Nimitz one. Okay. This is 2,004. So this Tic Tac goes from more than 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level in less than a second. Yeah. Ai, seven eighths of a second.
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02:14:20
Sure. Like, that’s crazy. That is. I and and you’re right.
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02:14:22
And What is that?
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02:14:23
And it does it does it changes it when you remember how long ago these things were being seen.
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02:14:32
Right. Because this is 02/2004. But then you go back to the nineteen sixties, if they’re really working on anti gravity technology back then, it’s possible that they could have created a drone. Right. The the the thing is, like, could a human being survive inside of those things at those extreme speeds? Well, the question is, like, what are they experiencing in that?
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02:14:52
Because if it’s a gravity device, if it’s moving, if it’s manipulating gravity
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02:14:56
Mhmm.
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02:14:57
So it might not have g forces at all. It might be operating in a completely different paradigm.
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02:15:03
Yeah. Well, they may be sort of just, you know, trillions of calc of of of alternate sort of, you know, momentum shifts in the outside protective layer that that balance out whatever’s happening on the inside
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02:15:20
to the
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point where, you know, they’re using this crazy technology.
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02:15:23
That’s also why the argument is that they’re blurry. Like, so a lot of the photographs of these things are blurry. It might be because they’re actually existing in some sort of a gravity, like, void. Yeah. And what you’re seeing is not exactly what’s there. You’re sai you’re seeing it through ai a dirty windshield. I’ve seen some stuff. Have you? Yeah. What have you seen?
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02:15:42
When I was in Maui, ai I’ve seen something that I could not explain. The one time I Ai looked up and about nine of us were hanging out, and we all looked up at the same time to see an orange orb. And it was probably it looked like it was a 100 yards away, maybe 200, just floating, kind of observing.
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02:16:03
And then I swear it seemed like as soon as enough people saw it, it went and then it went and it moved like nothing else I thought possible at the time. It went out of the atmosphere, you know, and it was crazy. Faster than any drone. And that this was back in, like, 02/2004, ai, maybe. You know?
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02:16:31
So it’s very we were all, you know, young. I was maybe a little teenager, so it was probably, like, 02/2006, you know, but it was, like, it was crazy. I’m not telling you. Yeah. You know?
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02:16:42
And and, Well,
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02:16:43
a lot of them happened near the ocean too, which is interesting.
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02:16:46
And another one, I was out on Lanai, and we were hanging out with some friends. We were laying down on the lawn. And and when you’re out in Lanai on the backside of Lanai, there’s no light pollution at all. And so you have just this big ai fishbowl of stars, and it’s the most incredible. It’s like you’re sitting in a Spaceship. In a in a spaceship. Yeah.
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02:17:05
And you feel that you’re on spaceship Earth at the time. You know, like, you are on that rock hurtling through space at that point. And I saw this we all scared the girls. We all sai this pulsing colored thing go from one side of the horizon to the other, but in a in a very like, it was, like, pulsing different colors, and it was, like, really interesting.
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02:17:29
And so, you know, who knows what that could have been, but it was quite interesting.
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02:17:33
Well, the vast majority of the ocean floor is unexplored. Right. And so this is the theory is that if you were gonna set up a base here to observe human beings, if you came from somewhere else, you would probably do it in the ocean, especially if you have the cut the kind of technology that allowed them to travel here from other star systems would also allow them to not be intimidated whatsoever ai the oceans.
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02:17:56
Yes. I mean,
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02:17:57
that that’s I guess, the the deep pressure
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02:17:59
Yeah.
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02:17:59
Is what would be the, you know, it’s almost the opposite of being in speak. You know, the vacuum, and then you have the deep Right. Pressure
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02:18:08
of of
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02:18:08
of, you know, that that like, you know, that’s it.
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02:18:13
But there’s videos of these things going in the water and not creating a splash. Yeah. So, like, what is that? Is it a hologram? So is it not a physical object? Or are they doing something that allows them to not interact with any physical thing on Earth, like some sort of a a void that they travel through.
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02:18:32
So they can go through the trees. This is, like, part of Jacques Vallee’s research too. One of his books that was really fascinating was this woman observed this, like, egg shaped thing. Mhmm. And when it took off, it went through the trees, but it didn’t hurt the trees. Mhmm.
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02:18:48
But it was on the ground, like, as a physical object, and when it took off, it went through the trees.
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02:18:53
Well, I wonder if then, you know, we’re talking about, like, bending space time.
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02:18:57
Yeah.
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02:18:58
At that point, are you creating some sort of, like,
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02:19:04
warp? Yeah. You’re creating some sort of
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02:19:06
a warp ai.
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02:19:07
That’s the idea.
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02:19:08
You know, where where you’re just, like, warping space and time around a Right. Ai a centralized location, and you sort of have to be you know, use sort of the, you know, the these, like, different sort of exotic forms of matter and having an understanding of exotic matter, which we’re now just starting to understand that there are, like, are these exotic matter types that, you know, that that work in these weird ways.
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02:19:33
But as as we if you read about it now, the only information available is that we’re only, like, cracking the surface of the understanding of these types of matter and
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02:19:42
Maybe we are.
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02:19:43
Hundreds of thousands of years away from understanding that.
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02:19:46
But Ai mean, you know, that’s that old saying that any technology that’s sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic. I forgot is it Carl Sagan sai that? I forgot who said that. Yeah. But, yeah. I mean, if you’re looking at something from a thousand years from now, it would seem like magic.
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02:20:03
I mean, if if we continue, we don’t pull ourselves up and science and AI continue to figure out more compelling Mhmm. Uses of universal energy, like, whatever background energy that we have. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows what what human beings will be capable of?
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02:20:22
So you gotta imagine if something’s visiting us Yeah. From somewhere else, especially if they have artificial super intelligence. Yeah. They’ve if they’ve traversed this journey that we’re on, if they’ve gotten to the point where whatever we’re currently investigate whatever they’re working on right now in terms of, like, super intelligent Ai, what if they’ve gone through that and they’re a thousand years more advanced?
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02:20:48
All that stuff would be probably simple for them to be able to go through the water to have transmedium crafts that are capable of flying in the air through the water.
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02:20:57
Right. Well, the the interesting question for ourselves is is how do we get to a place as a society to where we can trust in our ai? We can trust Mhmm. To say that we we trusted enough to fund it. You know? Well, you
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02:21:16
get that’s not trust in the ai. The trial the problem is the human beings that are arya possession of the science.
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02:21:20
Well, but that’s what I mean. Like, how do we restore faith in that? And and because there are there you know, it’s not all bullshit. There is real you know, like, we we we wouldn’t exist where we are without the science that has brought us to where we arya.
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02:21:36
Yeah. Technology.
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02:21:37
And technology. Yeah. And and so understanding and trusting and and and figuring out how to restore faith in certain institutions that we have because we need them to survive and to keep going. You know? So it’s like it’s like not tearing down the airplane while it’s falling.
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02:21:55
You have to repair the airplane from inside, you know, and then keep it flying if you can. You know? So is there is there a way to, like, right the ship while we’re in it? Ai think
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02:22:05
the problem is a lot of this stuff is military funding. Right? So a lot of the applications for any sort of, like, super advanced technology is gonna be weapon systems.
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02:22:16
Right.
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02:22:16
And that’s what everybody’s terrified of. What they’re terrified of is Sure. Is that you’re going to develop more efficient ways to kill people. Yeah. And that’s really the only way these things get funded. You know, they’re not gonna No.
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02:22:28
That’s the problem. Yeah. I’m just what I’m saying. I’m like, well, how do we how do we switch it so that we can, you know, have people in power that really are looking out for the future of humanity? Yeah. And then have people that actually want that and because some people are gonna have to take sacrifices for that, you know, ai in a way and Sai Ai mean, people high up are gonna have to say, well, I’m gonna have to, you know, get paid a little less because this, you know It’s
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02:22:56
a great struggle, Lucas.
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02:22:57
Yeah. It really is. Yeah. It really is. It’s a great struggle.
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02:23:01
It’s the great struggle of, like, people in power, you know, don’t necessarily deserve power. And and the the kind of people that you want running the world aren’t interested in the job. Mostly. Yeah.
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02:23:13
Yeah. Exactly. Well, you know.
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02:23:17
Ai, brother. I really enjoyed talking to you. Thank you very much for being here.
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02:23:20
Appreciate you having me, Joe.
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02:23:21
And, I encourage everybody to go see you live because you’re fucking amazing.
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02:23:25
Thank you.
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02:23:25
It was really an incredible performance at the McConaughey thing, and, I wish you all the best, man. I wish you It’s been cool being your friend too. It has. Enjoyed talking to you.
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02:23:33
I enjoyed talking to you too. Alright. That was fun.
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02:23:35
Thank you.
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02:23:35
Thank you.
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02:23:36
Tell everybody where they could find you. Where’s the best place to find your music? Yeah.
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02:23:40
Well, on all the platforms, of course, ai we’re there, and we’re gonna we got a tour posted. We’re gonna come but, there you go. There. Yeah. That’s
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02:23:50
Live in concert. Oh, you’re going everywhere. You’re like Yeah.
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02:23:52
Johnny Dash popping there. We’re about to put out new dates too for the fall. We’re gonna be all over East Coast, the West Coast. We’re gonna be everywhere. But Hell, yeah.
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02:24:02
Sorry, Kansas City. That shit’s sold out.
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02:24:04
Oh, yeah. That was a while
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02:24:04
ago. Yeah.
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02:24:05
Yeah. That was, the other ones coming up, Charlottesville, Virginia, Allentown, Pennsylvania.
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02:24:11
Oh, yeah. Those are May.
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02:24:12
Yeah. I’m looking at May.
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02:24:13
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So there’s plenty
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02:24:15
of stuff coming up. Yeah.
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02:24:17
Montana is gonna be great. Big Sky. Big Sky. Park City, Utah. Yeah. There
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02:24:22
you go. Wyoming. Alright. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thank you. Ai was fun. Enjoyed it. Alright. Bye, bud ai.
