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Oliver Anthony is a singer-songwriter of country and folk music. His debut album, “Hymnal of a Troubled Man’s Mind,” is available everywhere music is sold.https://www.oliveranthonymusic.com
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#2337 – Oliver Anthony Podcast Episode Summary
Podcast Episode Summary
This episode of The Joe Rogan Experience features an in-depth conversation between Joe Rogan and a guest (likely a musician, possibly Oliver Anthony, based on references to the song “Richmond” and independent music success). The discussion covers a wide range of topics, including the evolution and impact of podcasting, the power of independent creators, the music industry, mental health, and the importance of authentic connection in a digital age.
Key Points & Major Topics:
Podcasting’s Growth & Influence:** Joe reflects on the unexpected reach and influence of his podcast, emphasizing its organic growth and the importance of authenticity. He credits early podcasting pioneers like Adam Curry, Anthony Cumia, Tom Green, and Adam Carolla as major influences.
Independent Music & Viral Success:** The guest discusses the viral success of his song “Richmond,” highlighting how genuine, simple, and raw content can resonate with audiences even in a landscape dominated by marketing and algorithms. He stresses the power of people to elevate what they love, even in a rigged system.
Industry Critique & New Models:** Both speakers critique traditional music and entertainment industries, advocating for independent distribution and supporting emerging talent. The guest shares his goal of helping unknown artists break through, bypassing industry gatekeepers.
Mental Health & Community:** The conversation touches on the importance of real-world community, nature, and healing spaces, with ideas for creating nonprofit venues and immersive experiences to help people reconnect and heal outside of corporate influence.
Societal Change & Information:** They discuss how access to information has empowered individuals, the challenges of navigating misinformation, and the need for critical thinking in a chaotic media environment.
Comedy & Creative Collaboration:** Joe draws parallels between comedy and other creative pursuits, emphasizing the value of long-term dedication, collaboration, and mutual support among artists.
Important Guests/Speakers:
– Joe Rogan (host)
– Main guest (likely Oliver Anthony, independent musician)
– Mentions of Adam Curry, Anthony Cumia, Tom Green, Adam Carolla, and others as influential figures.
Actionable Insights & Advice:
– Focus on authenticity and organic connection with audiences.
– Avoid obsessing over metrics and negative feedback; prioritize the creative process.
– Support and mentor emerging talent to foster a healthier creative ecosystem.
– Reconnect with community and nature for mental well-being.
– Leverage independent platforms to maintain creative and financial control.
Recurring Themes/Overall Message:
– The power of authenticity, independence, and community in an era of digital noise and corporate control.
– The importance of using one’s platform for positive influence and helping others.
– The need to adapt and create new models for success outside traditional systems.
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#2337 – Oliver Anthony Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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And we’re up, my friend. How are you? Good to see you.
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Long time no talk.
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Yeah, brother. Yeah. How you doing?
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You good? Good. I, man, I remember, like, towards the last the end of the last time I was here, you said, oh, yeah. We’ll probably see you again in a couple years. And I was just looking around like, yeah. I’ll never see any
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of this again. You’re back quicker than you thought. Yeah. Bro, that new song is fire.
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Oh, thanks.
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Yeah. I played that song about 20 times in the green room. And, the first time I played it, everybody just sat around and went, oh, shit.
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It was so funny that, yeah, I didn’t expect the song to well, you know, I didn’t I wasn’t the one I guess it was Adam that sent it. To I don’t even know how you got a hold of the song originally.
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Adam sent it to me originally.
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Yeah. Ai sent it I’d sent it to him, like, yeah, just kinda just to get his opinion of it or whatever. And he’s like, I got it. He’s like, do you mind if I share this around? And I was like, yeah. Go ahead.
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Well, the first time I heard it was in the green room. And the green room has a killer sound system. So we we put it on the Bluetooth and cranked it and all of us. There’s ai 10 dudes in that room going,
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oh, shit.
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Oh, shit.
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Some of
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those lines ai like, oh, shit.
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Yeah. What what makes that song different, I guess, than anything I’ve done or than a lot of music now is that we’re, we tried to, like, do it the way Lynyrd Skynyrd or somebody would back in this where we’re all just in the house, and there’s no, like man, there’s so much editing that goes into music now on the back end and stuff.
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And with this, we’re just, like, in there doing it and, you know, try to keep it as real as Yeah. As possible. Like, you know, there’s no there’s no click tracks. There’s no real editing. It’s just kinda ai we’re all just in this house.
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I mean, it’s it was it’s the worst timing to record, but, that was that January window was the only time that everybody can meet up. You know, Billy Contreras on the fiddle and everybody and because he he tours with Ricky Skaggs, and he’s kinda all over the place. So that was, like, our time to meet.
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So a couple days before we all went to West Virginia to record in my house up there the, this, like, terrible storm they were calling for. It’s, like, the worst one since the nineties supposedly or that’s what Draven sai. But so we got all the snow, all this ice. So, so, yeah, we used a a side by side in a jeep to haul everything up and down.
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It was, like, just all we could do to get up and down to the house. And then it’s right as soon as we get everything plugged in ready to go, the power knocks out. And Ai was like, we were all just so discouraged. And, luckily, there you know, there’s a Lowe’s not terribly far away, and they had one they had, like, a Honda inverter generator that was, like, safe to plug everything into, you know, ai, where the waves aren’t gonna mess everything up.
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And, sai, yeah, we’ve, you know, we recorded the song while on a generator.
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So you have to worry about the waves of the generator, like, the sound of the ai. Is that what it is?
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No. Like the Electrical pulses? Ai plugging all of that expensive equipment into just ai a yeah. A generator that’s on an inverter. Like, the voltage, like, goes up and down, I guess, or
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I don’t know.
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That’s all above my pay grade, but we had to find one that was, like, safe to plug all that equipment into. You know?
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Well, it maybe that’s something in the song too. You know? Like, maybe that you’re trapped in a storm. That’s a scary ass song, dude. It’s a scary
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I can’t wait for the yeah. See, I hadn’t put a lot of new music out because, well, I think back to even when I was here last time and before we did the episode and all, walking around on the sidewalk out in front of the hotel with Draven and a couple other people arguing that I needed to just cash out from Richmond and roll and not make this into a long term thing because I just, well, dude, I just don’t some people thrive in this environment ai everybody looking at them, but I to me, it’s just like so it just it kinda takes it kinda takes a little bit out of me putting new music out.
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And so, you know, after Richmond, I only had those two new songs. I really just wanted to let everything kinda slow down, and I could still maybe do five or 10 shows a year and make a little bit but I wasn’t trying to be like a superstar. I didn’t want everybody just to be I didn’t sana be stuck in that spot Ai was when I was at Richmond where everybody’s just like obsessing over stuff.
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And so, I kinda just tried to let it ai. And then, it wouldn’t. It was like the streams kept continuing and people were still messaging me and emailing and the shows were still selling out. And I just realized, like, I don’t know. You know, I believed everybody that said, this kid’s got fifteen minutes of fame and whatever.
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And I would have been during when Richmond blew up, I would have been one of those guys who would have been like, oh, oh, that stupid guy. You know? Like, I would have been a hater too. So I’m I was almost, like, rooting for them. Like, yeah. You know? Because you gotta think, meh.
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The first check from Richmond was $800,000. Like, I can I could’ve lived a long time off of that money? You know?
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Like, I
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don’t need a whole lot of, like, that was great. You know? That was Right. A decade or more of work for me easily. And sai I was like I was like, heck. Yeah. I’m good. I’ll just take it. You know?
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And, anyway, I say all that to say that now it’s ai, I’m gonna at least just I’m gonna at least just hit it good one more time. I’ve got we’ve got six songs recorded now to come after Scornful that are all, like I’m pretty proud of them. They’re good. And so, I’m gonna put those out, and then who knows after that.
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But Well,
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let me tell you what’s gonna happen. You got a relationship with those people now, man. They love you. Yeah. It’s just your mission in ai. You know, you just got handed a wild hand of cards, and this is your your deck of cards. You know, your deck of cards is or your hand of cards is you put this song out, this authentic song that’s very simple in this time where nothing’s simple.
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In this time where everything’s confusing and you don’t know who’s telling the truth. The news is lying to you. Everything is being funded. Nothing’s organic. It’s half the fucking traffic on social media is bots at least. Politicians are lying. Everybody’s confused. People are simping for politicians.
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They’re they’re getting paid to repeat talking points on television and on podcasts and all over social media. So when someone comes out with something like that is just that dude telling you how he feels. Yeah. Real raw, you ai. I remember we had that conversation on the phone ai I was like, if you can do that, you could do that again. You don’t they don’t need anybody else.
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You don’t need these motherfuckers who want you to cash out. All these they they just they they’re doing that because they think that you’re gullible. They think that you’re naive in the ways of the entertainment music business. The first fucking live show you ever performed was a giant sold out show at a state fair. Do you know how crazy that is?
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That’s your first
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live show. Well, that that very first show was actually, it was even more amateur than that. It was at a farm market. It sai, it wasn’t even a there weren’t even any tickets. It was just, like, so it’s crazy how it all it just it goes back to when Ai I still believe just as much now as I did the last time I was here about.
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And I don’t I definitely won’t bug everybody too much with all my hokey pokey religious stuff either. Like, I definitely wanna read a little bit out before we go, but I do believe it was just it was all too perfectly timed. But I had actually picked that date out at the at the farm market before Richmond blew up.
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That was gonna be my that was gonna be my first time playing live either way. Oh, wow. That date, it was, like, August, I think. I had booked it back in July with that Morris Farm Market. Oh.
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I was gonna get $200 and go play for, like it was, like, 2 and a half hours. Like, seriously. And in that time, that’s what so, like, I already had that date picked, and, yeah, it was just at a farm market and, like, kinda near the beach in Outer Banks. And they say, like, 12,000 people showed up, and that was the very first one. Yeah.
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And I just I remember even then, like, I just I just expected everybody to sing Richmond, and that was gonna be it. And it’d be cool, and I ai back to work the next week. But it was, like, even in that crowd at that very first show, all the other songs, they knew the words too too.
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And I was like, this is ai something. You know? But Wow. The important thing too is that the the important thing to take away from this, and I said this during Richmond, but peep you know, it was ai, take me out of it. The fact that people can now choose what they want and push it to the top, even in a system that’s rigged, where there is bots and there’s mass marketing money going into songs and, like, labels spend a million dollars on their own song to get it up the label.
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Yeah. The fact that people can just decide they like something and just shoot it up to the top like, people need to realize how much power and influence they have, at least for a short period in time in society. It’s like the stars are aligned where we can kinda it’s funny. Technology, like, can only develop on the backs of people using it.
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And so, like, AI and and all of this over the years, social media, like, all the back end of that, it’s been it’s all that information’s being sort of extracted from us. Like, you think about, like, the like, the way in a Tesla car rides down the road, and it’s watching you ai, and you’re in like, it’s like reading your analytics sai it can learn how to drive better.
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We know Sai. That’s the only reason why they let everybody use Ai. It’s so it can make the AI it’s the user input that’s that’s what makes it, you know. And so for a very short period in time, it’s like the stars are aligned where they’re having to, like while they’re sucking all the humanity out of us to put into this AI, we also have full access to it.
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And, like, so we can do like, even in the even in the music business, you know, everything that the label used to held exclusive control over, like, the publicity and the marketing and the digital streaming service relationships. Like, all that stuff is now just a la carte to anybody. Like, you don’t need the you don’t need those big companies.
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All that stuff, you can just go and hire a really good social media person, and you can work with a good music distributor without having to sign anything or give any of your rights up. And Yeah. Ai now, the people have the power is what I mean for, like, a very short period of ai.
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But this should be a this should just be a reminder of that, this song being able to go up into the iTunes charts even with stuff with way bigger audiences with all kinds of marketing reach. You know, the fact that this can just organically go into the iTunes charts like that and people you know, it’s just that’s the thing that’s the thing I always take away from ram.
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It’s just like, damn, dude. If we could just get organized even for, like, two or three years, we could just fix everything. Like, we like, the people really do have the power at least right now for for a short window of time, but we really do. I mean We
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just but people have to understand that we are all in ai conversations and negotiations and figuring out how to work it out. It’s not lighting cop cars on fire. Like, this is you know?
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Yeah. But the spirit of those, like not to defend any of that crap, but I just that rebellious nature in us is important too, though. It just has to be it has to be directed correctly.
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You shouldn’t be burning waymos while holding a Mexican flag ai not to get sent back to Mexico. I mean, you’re confusing the fuck out of me, dawg. Like, who is your oppressor? Is it the electric car? Is it the country, which, you know, you wanna sai, but you’re holding a flag of another country?
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Like, what why are you wearing a mask? Are you proud of this? Do you not wanna get arrested? What are we doing? Are you scared of COVID?
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Like, I wanna know.
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Well, it goes back to what you said about mass manipulation and also, like Yeah. We don’t we we’ve all sort of lost our identity. That’s why politics has become so prevalent in, like, the way people represent themselves to other people and, like, you know, that’s like, as as our as our culture and our tradition and, like, sort of the the knowledge of where our families and all of that stuff comes from, like, we’re just sort of all we’re just little boats out in the big ocean, and we’re looking for somewhere to we’re looking for some kind of identity to reach out and grab.
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And politics, they make politics so easy to reach out and grab and make just ai in the same way that people just absorb themselves into sports. Exactly. You know, they’re at way out of shape, but they they, like, they refer to their sports team as we. Like, our our defense did really
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does that all the time. We won. Talks about a college. Where I’m from. Some college where he’s from.
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Well, that’s sai maybe Get out of here. Maybe if he’s from there, though, then it doesn’t count. Ai just fucking around.
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Yeah. I’m a I’m not a team sports guy. You know? I’m a combat sports guy, and I would never say we won. Like, if Kamaru Usman beat somebody, Ai never say we won. You know, Kamaru would call me up. What the fuck are you saying, man? We? You know what I did in camp? You know, Ai mean, rounds Sai sparred. You know? Yeah.
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All the punches you took. It’s
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so crazy. But if there’s a group of guys, you could say we.
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But that’s silly. Ai see that like, I just see that becoming more and more prevalent where there’s not, like I don’t know. It’s sort of just, like it’s kind of even even to expand on the thought of it, it’s even ai the way that now we’ve all just sort of we’re all in these subcategories the way we would be if we were in prison.
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We’re all ai
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Right.
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You ai? Like, in the same way that when we use the word black and white to describe, like, how many different types of white and black are there that all just get merged. It’s ai it’s it, like, creates this maybe, like, group identity that’s a lot easier to control.
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Like For sure. Well, and then it it shifts over time. Like, my family wasn’t white. My family was Italian. They were they were disparaged when they first came to America from Europe. My grandfather used to tell me terrible stories of what happened to him when he was a boy living in America as an Italian.
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They treated them the same way terribly racist people were treating people from Guatemala that sneak in here. It’s the same ai of thing. Yeah. Then after a while, they sort of integrated, and now I’m white.
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Yeah. Now now you’re just a white person. No.
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It’s just a regular ai.
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But it’s easy now in there, like, in big public narrative and stuff to. It’s e it’s a lot easier to accuse you and 30 other different nationalities of people who are all very culturally different and unique and just call all of you white people and then pick the worst thing that one of those nationalities did and just cast it among the whole group.
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But it happens with that with every ethnicity, every identity. The go the goal is to, like, put everyone in the world in one of three or four buckets and then hopefully figure out how to just put all of them into one bucket eventually. It’s like it’s just it’s just it’s so much easier to control two or three different types of people than it is 30 or 40 or a 100 or a thousand, you know.
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Which is also, I think, why they never fix the problems vatsal our inner cities. They they wanna keep that conflict. I really believe that. Because if somebody wanted to have a better, stronger economy, the first thing you would do is you want more people in the workforce. So you’d want less people that are disenfranchised, completely out of society, felons, all that stuff. That doesn’t do anything but cost the country money. Right?
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Unless you have private prisons. Now ai prisons, those people become a business. And then that business contributes to the escalation of laws. They sana make sure the law sai in place because that way their business is always full. They have plenty of customers.
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Their customers are human beings that they turn into batteries to generate money. That’s what it is. It’s ai those people, every person they have in there, they get more money, which is wild. It’s wild that we allow that. But then it’s also, like, keeping a certain amount of crime in certain areas ensures that you’re always gonna have debates over law enforcement.
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You’re always gonna have conversations over disenfranch we need DEI. We need this. We need quotas. We need to hire more people of this or of that, ignoring the fact that these a lot of these things, especially with universities, are the most racist, especially towards Asians.
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The racist is fucked towards Asians. There’s lawsuits about it. Harvard. Is is that still going on, the Harvard lawsuit? Where they specifically made their application process, like the whole acceptance process, more difficult for Asians because they were kicking too much ass.
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They had too meh, like, Asian people that are willing to fucking work their ass off, study twelve hours a day, get straight a’s, like, man, there’s too many of these folks. We gotta make it tougher.
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What did they do to make it more difficult specifically?
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They attached a bunch of things. I believe the argument is they attached a bunch of things ai social stuff. Like, how much do you, engage in, you know, activism? How often are you involved in, you know, social activities on campus? Mhmm. You know, what arya the things are you doing other than just pure academic work?
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They’re, like, trying to slow them down. They’re literally trying to slow them down.
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Yeah. That’s another great example too. Like, like, even just to even just to that they can blanket Asian like that as such a
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ai like It’s Indian. It’s Chinese. There’s a lot of but Yeah. People that come from a hard place are willing to work hard. That’s the difference. And the the problem with meritocracy is that some motherfuckers will go for it. And if you get a whole country of people going for it, that gets scary for the people that just wanna take naps.
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It’s the same psychology that goes in, like, in a lot of the smaller Appalachian towns, like, like, where we where we recorded was really close to Bramwell, West Virginia. But if you look at, like, even if you look at Bramwell, West Virginia and their recent political history, like, the last mayor they had, she she embezzled money from the town, and there was, like you know?
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And this isn’t a very small tent. Like so so government corruption exists, like Everywhere. And it almost is ai maybe in those big cities. I I I understand definitely that Ai think things are intentionally neglected, like, to create chaos and to create this, like you said, this need for more resources and more.
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But it’s also just that maybe a lot of those people that are in positions are just very spineless and self centered and, like, they don’t even care that people are dying in their streets. They’re worried about the the the money that can be made and the ego and the power of it.
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It goes back to ai what I said in that ARCC speech, lack of leadership. I just see that, like, if we had people in big cities or in small Appalachian towns that had, like, a real backbone to them and, like and and had they were in a real position of, like, leadership where they wanted to fix things, that a lot of that stuff would get addressed and covered, but we just don’t have the right people in power maybe even is what it is.
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Even in even in local and state government.
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The right people don’t run. They don’t want that job, man. They don’t want that smoke. They don’t want people attacking them. They don’t want any of it. The right people are the people that don’t wanna be president.
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It’s almost it’s almost like they’ve made these positions only appealing to people who are, like Ai. Sort of criminals. Sociopaths are criminals. Yeah.
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For real? Like, who the fuck wants to run everything? You you gotta be crazy. I don’t even like running my whole house. I don’t like having employees. It’s too much it’s too much responsibility.
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What do you think would happen if just some normal people ran the country, though? Like, just some average shows. Like, what if me and you just went and ran the what if me if you ran for president? What would happen? They would be like
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killed. Would you put a fucking convertible right now?
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They would definitely be able to hit my big head. That’s for sure. They wouldn’t
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My head’s not that little either. You want a cigar?
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Yeah. Yeah. Let’s do it. Get on that big dog. Well, the I I smoked sai cigar with a guy one time that
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What happened? This is the second cigar It didn’t
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end up all on the Internet. Yeah.
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This is your second cigar ever?
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Yeah. Here. Ai just keep it keep it running for a minute.
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Yeah. Just pull on it. The the real cigar guys, they want you to do that first. You kinda bake the outside.
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That would
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be And then like it’s
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a like it’s I’m in high ai, and it’s like
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a fat joint. Oh, imagine a joint like this. I guarantee you there’s some people out there, some rappers rolling blunt blunts this thick. You gotta do it this way or they get mad at you.
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Well, hey. I did I did smoke I smoked half a block of black and mild with, Chris Davidson from the Davidson Brothers while we were on tour one time. So I guess that counts as as a cigar.
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Ai of a cigar. Like a swisher sweets. They kinda count as cigars.
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Ai have a talking about swisher sweets, I have a friend of mine that I ride side by sides with a lot, named Jeremy, and that’s all he smokes are swisher sweets. And that’s ai his anytime I see him, I’m like, yo. What’s up swisher sweet? So I ended up hitting him up on Instagram, Swisher Sweets. And I said, hey.
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I got a friend of mine. I was like, will you just send him some merchants? And they totally did. Like, he got this whole, like, he got, like, all these shirts and hats sana stuff. He’s the only guy I know that smokes them, but he’s, like, all day smoking them.
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He’s, he was in the marines and stuff, and he’s he’s out now and just, like, rides a boat around all day and hangs it. He’s, like, lives his dream life now and smokes Swisher Sweets. So
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I wonder what percentage of Swisher Sweets gets sliced open for blunts. It’s gotta be fifty. Right? Jamie ai?
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Slightly higher. Sixty percent. So, like Ai five
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or so. Seventy five percent.
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Jeremy’s the only guy I know who really smokes them without putting weed in them or anything. He, like
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He just likes them?
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Yeah. Heck yeah.
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Does he inhaled them? Yeah. Bro. Ron White does that with them little tiny Ron White. Those little tiny cigars. What are those things called again, Jamie? We have a bunch of them.
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Yeah. I don’t know. Like, little cigarillos or something.
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Yeah. He brought me a a case of them.
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Did I ever tell you the my Ron White story?
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No. I don’t think so. Did you?
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I’m gonna mess it all up, but that’s okay because that’s what the that’s what this is for is to mess stuff up. So it was the night we recorded gosh. My head is, like, spinning out from this thing. This is crazy. The night that we tobacco. The day that we recorded the podcast that night is when we went to the mother mothership for the first time because Tom Segura invited me.
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And Right.
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So we’re sitting in there in the green room. Ron White’s there and Tom and a bunch of people, William Montgomery. And I got to meet all these really cool people that night. And so Tom was like, man, you ought to get up at the end of our set and do a couple songs. And we only had one guitar, and I really wanted my guitar, Joey you know, the guy from he’s in the video, Joey Davis.
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I wanted him to get up there and get to do it with me. And Ron’s like, well, I got a guitar in my ai, but and, dude, he’s gonna he’s supposed to be getting on stage to do a set in, like, less than an hour, you know, forty five minutes. So him and Joey get in his car, and they run every red light from his house to back and go and get Ron White’s arya, and that’s what we use for our second trip.
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Minutes away. That was such a risky move.
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Yeah. Like, he said they flew there and back.
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So you guys performed on stage at the mothership. That was the first time a musical acted ever performed there.
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Supposedly. Yeah.
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100%. In in except for back when it was a musical venue. Yeah.
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I
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mean, Stevie Ray Vaughan perform you saw the photos that we have in the in the tunnel. Yeah. Stevie Ray Vaughan performing there. I think it was ’83 he was there.
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I think if, I think it I think even by the end of this weekend, we will be able to really have a good blueprint for sound in there again. Like, it’s a it’s a small room, but I think it would just sound like you could really have an immersive listening space for people to, like, just such a cool spot to maybe do music now and then.
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Oh, yeah.
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No. I think it would be a great spot to do music. It’s just we’re always packed with comedians. You know? We’d only do it for someone like you for
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a while. Yeah. It could be ai every once in a while. Like, I love the idea of it being like a live recorded thing that because I my favorite music to listen to is the live version of almost anything anyway Oh, yeah. Of people. And it would be cool to go back and I mean, our plan with this, we’re gonna record we’ll record Friday and Saturday night, and my plan is to put out some kind of mothership live at the mothership and, like, have some of the money go back to the humane society.
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Oh, that’s awesome.
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That’s beautiful. Record it and just see what see what happens. But even if we just get a couple songs out of it or something and put them out and
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Oh, that’s badass.
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But, yeah, Ai like that. I really like the Austin Humane Society. They, I was looking at all their they got, like, some really funny dogs and stuff on there too, but I Ai, I think it’d be I think it’s cool getting to do something with them.
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Yeah. I can’t go to those places. I would have a 100 dogs.
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They got this one dog on their website. I should’ve I should’ve sent it to you, but I don’t know. Maybe Jamie can find it, but it’s like there’s this one, like, older dog. I think he’s a chihuahua or something, but he’s got this real funny name ai Buddy or Poppy or something. But he’s the most, like he doesn’t have any teeth.
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His tongue’s hanging out. I was like, that’s meh I could just take him home with meh, Buddy or something.
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I’ve had a bunch of rescue dogs in my life. It is a thing. There’s a, like, a relationship you have with them that’s different than any other dog. Like, they fucking they’re so they love you so much. Mhmm. They’re so happy you rescued them. Like, they know that you rescued them.
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Whereas ai dog, Marshall, he has no idea. He’s ai living the best life. He’s just like, everyone’s my friend.
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Yeah.
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He has, he’s never fucking growled at a person in his life. He’s nothing but sweet.
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Think about how lucky you got to be to be Joe Rogan’s dog. That’s pretty cool. Like, what’s the odds of that at all? Well, lucky
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in mind to have a dog like him.
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Yeah.
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He’s the best dog ever.
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Yeah. I know.
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I He’s like a little human. He’s like a human. Like, we have conversations. Like, he he knows, like, not just words. He knows, like, when I’m saying something, like, what to do. Like, he me and that dog are, like, locked in. It’s wild. He’s the best. He’s just all love.
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Ai, for everybody that comes over. Like, when people come over the studio and he’s here, he just does a circle. He’s ai, I’m your friend. And then it licks you, I’m your friend. And he just keeps goes around and and he sees you. The first thing he does is flop on his back.
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Like, I know you wanna rub my belly. Come on. Yeah. He’s just so used to being just loved on.
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Yeah. I just got a, well, I had, you know, I had the three I had three dogs, and then I Ai lost my white shepherd, like, right after we got off the tour. He got bone cancer and he was gone within, like, a month or ram month and a half. You know,
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it’s a really important thing that we should probably tell people about right now when we’re talking about cancer. Stop feeding your dog processed food. I know it’s expensive, but if you can get it, get yourself your dog real food. There’s companies ai, Farmers Dog. That’s what you use. Right?
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Farmers Dog and they’ll send you, like, real food and you you feed your dog real food. It’s ai real human grade meat and vegetables. Your dog will be way better off just like you would be way better off. Anything that can sit on a shelf for six months and not rot is not good for you.
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Yeah.
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It just sustains them, you know. And then, you know, obviously, dogs are running around drinking out of puddles and, you know, what fucking toxins they’re exposed to.
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Ai need a lot of, like, horseshit and stuff too. They’re obsessed.
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Sure. But they, You meh but you’re gonna get a healthier dog if you feed them real food. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying secure to all ills, but, man, it fixed my dog quick. Marshall was starting to get a little chubby, and we’re trying to lessen his food, but he was always hungry. And I was like, this sucks.
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And then, we found out the company that I was using is Maeve, m a e v. And they sell you frozen food and he eats it bryden. And it’s just meat and vegetables and and meh fucking loves it. And he gobbles it up, and he lost the body weight. His coat looked better.
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He had way more energy. I’m like, of course, he’s eating real food instead of eating some processed bullshit that’s filled with preservatives. He he could sit on a fucking shelf for it. Like, if you only ate protein bars all day long and nothing but protein bars, you’d probably get sick. Yeah.
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How was that thing just sitting there? Like, how how can you just live off of it?
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Plus, you got you gotta get tired eating the same thing every day.
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Yeah. That too.
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Yeah. Like, at this point, I mean, I feel like for your dog, he might as well live a pretty cool life. He’s got, you know, he’s Joe Rogan’s dog. He can’t just be eating regular dog food anyway. I,
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people don’t know though. They think dog food is what you give dogs. That’s the problem. Like, they they need to understand, like, dogs are just like any other animal, like human beings. What they eat has a giant effect on their overall physical health.
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Yeah. Yeah. I I’ve been feeding mine eggs. We’ve got a bunch of land birds now and meat birds and stuff.
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That’s nice.
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But they’ll they just eat raw eggs.
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How long do your meat birds live before you whack them?
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So we I just I’ve got some now that are about two weeks old, and they’ll be gone, like, they’ll be gone before it starts to cool off. It’s quick. It’s, I wanna say, like, two and a half months with them. They get they get to the point where they get so fat, they actually can’t hold themselves up anymore.
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That is so crazy.
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Yeah. Because I don’t
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have meat birds. I have egg laying hens, and these little ladies just run around all day long. You just run meh your run loose. Yeah. Meh.
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Yeah. Ai do I do the chicken tractors, but then I will let them out during the day some too just so they can run around.
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But Yeah. It’s good for them. Makes the eggs healthier.
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But they’re They’re hilarious to watch too. They’re just great.
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My friend who runs, he he has, meat ones, and he said he waits until their legs break. And I go, what? He goes, they get so big that their legs speak, and that’s when you kill them. I’m like, Jesus Christ. What did we do to these fucking chickens?
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It’s kinda it’s kinda sick. Yeah.
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It is totally sick because I’m seeing my chickens that are years old just running around. And these fucking chickens get to be two months old, and their legs break from the weight of their bodies. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s kinda depressing, but that’s ai at least in their short life, I bryden let them have I let them get us some sunshine and run around and read stories to them at night and all that. And that way it’s not but so bad. That way it doesn’t feel like I’m just a like a horrible dictate like a chicken dictator.
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Imagine the amount of chickens that get whacked in this country every year is
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crazy. Yeah. And and, honestly, raising birds in your yard is so much better than
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So much better.
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Buying them from Tyson or something like that.
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Oh, so that’s a regular chicken on the left from 1957. And then by the time 1978 rolled around, we got them pretty fat.
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It kinda looks like it just looks kinda like what happened with all of us from then from back then till now.
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And, you know, probably no coincidence. We’re all eating terrible food too. But I think there’s something going on with their genetics too. I think they look at that thing. That’s crazy. Look at the size of that butter ball.
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Yeah. That That looks
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like a fucking soccer ball. Isn’t that nuts? That’s nuts. That’s a chicken? That is fucking insane. Look at that one sitting there in a ball. Look at that one that’s in a ball. Look at that. That is bananas.
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Wow. Yeah. They’re still my favorite. I’ve tried so far, I’ve tried, I do guinea birds, turkeys, and we’ve tried a tried a few different types of chickens and stuff. But,
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turkey’s overrated. Turkey’s good. They’re funny.
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Oh, yeah. They eat, they’re probably overrated, but they’re really funny in person.
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They’re good they’re good to eat if you eat them right after you get them out of the oven or if it’s gonna be on the sandwich with a bunch of other shit on it. Otherwise, they’re dry and boring. It’s a weird bird. It’s a bird that, like, somehow or another, we it became our holiday bird.
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You know
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what I mean? It’s very strange.
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They make this real guttural noise. It’s like it’s like a vibration more than a noise, but the males, they have this, like, crazy, like I I can’t I don’t even know how to describe it, but it’s like that. It’s with it’s a noise they make internally that you can hear. Yeah. It ai like sounds like a UFO.
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It sounds like when you’re getting sucked up in the UFO or it’s just crazy noise like that. Yeah.
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Oh, really?
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But I like they’re like dogs to me. I’ve got a couple of Timmy and Tommy, and they they run around the yard. Yeah. Well, I did. Timmy is now Timmy’s in the freezer, but we still got we still got Tommy. So
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Tommy’s still your friend? Timmy. Breakthrough on the birds domesticated in a gene. Ah, there it is. That played a key role came in 2010 with a study of the genomes of eight different populations of present day chickens from around the world, researchers found they all carry two copies of one version of a gene called the thyroid stimulating hormone receptor, which apparently set in motion changes that plumped up the birds.
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This dominant version of the gene or allele had swept through all the domesticated chickens regardless of whether they were boilers broilers rather, bryden for size or strains, bread for laying many eggs. Although the precise function of the gene is not known, it regulates metabolism meh reproduction. So probably stimulated chickens to lay more eggs year round.
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So big ass chickens that lay more eggs. It start off
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it’s from a decree from a pope a thousand years ago.
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Woah.
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How did one ban on four legged animals?
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What? Yeah. They got tough and banned meat from four legged animals on fasts. Oh, on fasts, which numbered a hundred and thirty days out of the year. Damn. A 130 fasts? What were they doing back then?
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Yeah. You couldn’t eat like, you had to fast all of Lent, which is forty days. That’s ai the Christmas Easter fast. You probably had to do it again now around Christmas.
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But when they say fast, but you could eat chicken?
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Yeah. They didn’t Well,
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that’s not how fast. Or fish. That’s bullshit. Yeah. The Lent thing when I was a kid. I remember that. Yeah. I remember I don’t know.
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I can’t on Friday. I don’t think that the Catholic church I just can’t imagine the Catholic church ever come out with some kind of decree that just doesn’t make total sense, though, you know, for everybody to have to follow.
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I don’t know. Forever.
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I’m sure it’s some I sure I’m sure there’s some yeah. Forever. I’m sure there’s some reasonable explanation.
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Yeah. They definitely have it dialed in.
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Yeah. It’s not like churches a thousand years ago would would ever do anything that didn’t make a lot of sense. So
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Well, I think back then, when when did they stop being allowed to have wives and shit? When did that happen? Like, when did the Catholic church put a ban? What like, when did they make it so that everybody had to be celibate? Boy, what a stupid idea that was. You wanna get people completely disconnected from society and sexually insanely repressed, just you give them saloni, Peter, and tell them they can’t beat off.
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It became saloni law in the eleventh century, later reinforced in the Council of Trent ai. So I bet there well, it sounds like there’s three hundred, four hundred years of a little slippery times.
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Ultimately, what is the mode it’s all control, obviously, but just it’s crazy to think about all the things that you know, the church at one point in time, the church was almost ai the power structure. They were like the government for a long time. Meh. For Rome.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they had immense power. The like, the pope would decide whether or not armies were gonna be sent places.
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Yeah.
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It’s nuts. Yeah. And if you look at the Vatican, you go, oh, this is what you guys did. You fucking stole everybody’s art. They have so much art. Like, how’d you get this? Yeah.
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How can ai get it?
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Get billions of dollars in art? I mean, it’s kinda cool. Ai love
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the fact that
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it’s there, and you can visit it. And you should visit it if you’ve never been to the Vatican. It’s fucking bananas.
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In a way, it’s ai there’s always been somebody trying to use a moral high ground to control other people. Like, now it’s the opposite. Right? It’s like now it’s people now it’s like the people opposite of church that are sort of, like, trying to control people through this moral authority of, like, this is what’s right and ai this sort of new society that we have to live in where everything has to be comfortable and nobody’s allowed to be offended and we’re not and it’s like all this that’s like the same authoritarian psychology that was in the old it’s ai, this is the moral you have to follow this because it’s the moral high ground of the you know, and you’re not allowed to speak it.
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It’s ai it’s always somebody trying to control somebody else with this virtuous bunch of propaganda that and it yeah. It’s ai, I was talking, you know, my a cup most of the people on my team I say most. There’s only really four of us now, like, in my music business, but two of them are from Ai, and they were and, my tour manager was telling me about, like, growing up in, you know, growing up in Dublin when he was younger, I guess, like, back in the seventies or eighties and the, like, just just the stigma within the church and all the, like, so much stuff that the church was doing wrong that would get kinda covered up and brushed to the side.
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And it’s just it’s really crazy when you read into all that, like, how like, how much corruption existed back then. You know, we it’s ai now it’s now it’s easy to point to corruption in government and in society and everything else, but it’s not like the church is more dead now than it is corrupt, I’d say.
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But back then, it was just ai this power hungry thing. You know? And that and that, to me, that’s not real church. That’s just like I said, that’s just government or a regime using church as a, you know, using God as a way to control people. But it’s a lot different than than what church should be or could be.
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For sure. I mean, that’s it’s that’s just a function of human beings when they get in power. Human beings when they get in power, they want more power. Like, if you’re in the automobile business, automobile business, and you’re making cars, you wanna make more ai. I wanna make more cars. I wanna sell more cars.
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Yeah.
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Gotta sell more cars. If I’m in the power business, I want more power. I don’t want this amount of power. I want more power. These people ai trying to take my power away. I want extra power. The best way to keep them from taking my power away is to get more power and get it so that they ai never take my power away.
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You know, lock it down. Make the elections bullshit. You know, make it like Russia. Hey. Putin won again. Everybody clap.
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Did you have you seen that video that went around recently of I think it was in Romania, but there was, like, a overthrow that happened in a day. It was ai the it was a it was from back in the eighties. It was a I think it was like a it was a dictator that it was over Romania, I believe. I don’t know.
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I’m I’m not on the Internet a whole lot anymore, thankfully.
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I’ve Thankful.
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But, I remember watching a bit of this video where this is ai a Romanian dictator who had he had been in power for, like, twenty years and had done a lot of oppressive stuff, but overall was, like, maintaining power. And then vatsal some point, a police officer or a military official or something shot, I think, like a like a preacher or a pope or something.
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And the the the dictator dude took the side of the police, and it sort of was ai a cultural shift. And, basically, like, he went to give this big speak, and all these people showed up. And they had applause playing over loudspeakers, but, really, the crowd was there to, like, mob. And within, like, a day, they had, like, taken the whole government over.
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The whole military turned against them. It was a big video that just got uploaded about it, like, maybe a month ago. I think it was Romania, I believe. But, it was so quick. It was ai he went from being in this position of power and, like, ruling over everything and having just just extreme wealth and the whole military at his disposal to to everyone turning on him, and he he was publicly executed, I think, the day after that speech.
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But that was just something I watched.
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Here we go. Yeah. Executing a dictator. Open wounds of Romania’s Christmas revolution. Ai. They did it on Christmas. Damn. Damn. Wow. And there’s a video on this?
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Yeah. There’s a video on YouTube that that somebody sent me that I was watching through. It was just it just showed out it just showed, though, going back to, like, if enough people have their minds made the same way, they can just pretty much do anything.
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Wow.
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But, I believe it was with it was within, like, a two day period that all this happened. He went from being empowered to being publicly executed. And they held up elections afterwards and, like and I don’t know all the history of it. I know very little, but it’s just something that seemed really interesting to me that I’ve never I was never taught this in school or anything. I know that.
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But, of course, I didn’t pay a whole lot attention while I was there either, so maybe I maybe I did get taught. I don’t know.
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There’s been so much war in that part of the world, man, for so long. For so long, it’s, like, baked into the ground. The crazy shit that’s going on in Ukraine right now, have you seen that they, they’re flying these drones that you can’t ram? And the way they are, they have ai miles of fiber optic cable attached to them? Yeah. This is so crazy. They’re like fishing. They’re like fishing with a drone.
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And now birds are making, like, nests of this fiber optic stuff. They’re picking it up, like, oh, it’s perfect. Make a little nest with this shit.
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You see how they got those drones in for the attack on the planes recently?
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What did they do? They’re They drove them in in trucks. Right?
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Yeah. That they were, like I don’t know if buried is the right word, but they were, like, secretly in the trucks. And then, like, they all came out at once or something. Ai, the roofs opened up of these, like, log cabins or something.
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They all came out, and they all went out and attacked all the planes. There were sheds.
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There were sheds loaded on the trucks.
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Well, pretty fucking ingenious, man. And they said it took, like, a year and a half to come up with this plan.
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This will change your war forever forever, though, I guess. I mean, artificial intelligence will too.
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I’m reading a book about it right now. It’s a fiction book, one of the Gray Man books, that is specifically about, using autonomous weapons. It’s, The Chaos Agent by, Mark Graney. It’s, it’s about a guy who’s this billionaire who develops this, autonomous weapons weapons program. But they’re doing that.
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They’re doing that right now, and we don’t know, like, how advanced China stuff is. Like but we know their drones are insanely advanced. Like, their drone shows that they put on, they they just put on another one recently, ai, the largest ever drone show. And you watch these coordinated things in the sky that are creating images, and you’re ai, that 100 could be a weapon.
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Like, that thing can you can get that thing to be so precise. Mhmm. They coordinate together. All you have to do is, like, put a suicide drone, put like, figure this thing. Look at these things, bro. These are drones. How vatsal is this?
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I mean, that is fucking bananas. Look at that. I mean, it’s crazy.
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I’ve heard, you know, this is all just generalization stuff, but I’ve definitely I’ve heard people make pretty compelling arguments about, like, you know, all these sort of, like, prophetic visions of the end of times, all the stuff in the sky and all the imagery and all that that a lot of that could be. I don’t know. I just I Ai see a time coming very soon where the word warfare is conducted with these drones and also with, like, probably ground machinery too.
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43:27
Like, you see they’ve got Tesla bots and other variants of that that are able to catch tennis balls and organize groceries. And Yeah. These things are all fed off of artificial intelligence, which knows everything about all of us collectively. It sees where we go and what we do and what we say and what we shop for and what we look for and how we ai.
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And it’s like this almost like this very godlike thing. And I don’t think that it even matters whose AI it is if it’s China or ours or some private company. I think it’s ai at some point, it will just be the thing. We won’t it it won’t even be China’s AI anymore. It will just be Yeah.
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It’ll say fuck you, China. You know? We’re taking over. We don’t believe in countries. We believe in the hive mind.
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44:02
How do you stop that? Like, how do you like, it goes into it goes into industry and creativity and almost everything almost everything that a human can provide out outside of very select few things can be emulated and replicated and done ai. It makes us practically irrelevant in the eyes of
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In in a lot of ways. It doesn’t make us irrelevant in art because you’re always gonna want art from a person. You’re always gonna want art. You’re always gonna want paintings from a real person. You’re always gonna want music from a real person. You’re always gonna
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sana Ai don’t know, though. Like, I I think with I I I think AI is already, like, deeply ingrained in music. I don’t think I can’t I don’t know. I would bet Ai bet a lot that most of the new big song the big hot songs that get written and just the big I think AI drives all that.
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I know for a short period of time, I used a social media company in Nashville. There was also a period of time that I used a management company in Nashville. And both of those girls I worked with at both of those companies who were helping me with social media stuff, they even had AI, like, trying to write my captions and stuff.
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And I would always just like it was always those most dumb sounding stuff, but it was ai, if they’re they would take pictures from after a show or something, and they would wanna make a post on Instagram the next day that says, oh, had so much fun in this town. It was I’ll never forget it. Can’t wait to see you next time.
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And it was just like this little they had, like, a little thing, but it it prewrote all these based off of, like, how I wrote in the past and stuff. And it’s weird how, I I it goes back to what you said about most of what’s on the Internet isn’t real anyway. But I think in music, AI is much more prevalent than we realize.
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I just think it’s, like, kept in the I don’t people aren’t gonna say that they’re using it, but I think, like, in the big these big songwriter circles and things where they have to generate you have to generate 20 or 30 songs a week and, like, there’s all this pressure. I mean, like and that’s your job and you’re, like, oh meh god. What am I gonna do?
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Like, you know, like, I can’t go back and live with my ai. I gotta do I don’t know. I just I don’t see how people aren’t. It’s in almost people use AI in almost every job now. I know, like, people who are in sales who use it to, like, help them manage their customer bases and who they’re gonna call on and what they’re gonna I just I don’t know.
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I think it will become I think it’s already become ingrained in us. We’re already so addicted to we’re so reliant to technology. It’s it’s pitiful, you know, just ai how hard it is to walk around without a phone, you know.
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Yeah. We’re integrated.
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Even even with when I had periods of time where I knew I had months off and that I would always at least I got to the point where I I weaned myself down to, like, this I bought a flip phone from Walmart that still runs on a Verizon Sai. But that’s that’s what I carry, and two or three people knew ai.
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46:34
But even then, I always felt like I at least had to have a flip phone on me in case, like what happens if you’re out in the woods and break your leg or I don’t know where like, but they are now a part like, those phones are a part of us. We don’t go anywhere without them. We feel naked.
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No phone.
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We feel vulnerable without them. So I know.
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You really do. Like, if you go for a quick walk without a phone, like, oh my god.
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So when the time comes when it’s ai, will there if there even is a definitive time, but it’s like when we have to choose between integrating with AI and not, most people are gonna do it. Yeah. Most people will just immediately submit and be a part of it and be maybe even excited to be a part of it.
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It probably won’t be a decision that you’re allowed to make. It it’s probably something that’s gonna be if you wanna function in society, you have to integrate.
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47:14
Like, we talked about in that text about how it feels like we’re in an alternate meh, and it seems like there’s these, like, things coming. You know, it’s ai it does it does and also it is just because things happen so fast and chaotic that we can’t really keep up with anything.
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One day, the submarine collapses, and the next day, this other crazy thing happens. And then, you know, I don’t know. It’s just like it’s so hard to keep up with what anything of what’s really going on. I think the problem is that we have to start having people gather together again and hang out and not just make all of our hangouts digital because the systems like you said, there’s bots and algorithms and marketing approaches and psychology that’s just deeply rooted that goes into, like, just the way we fundamentally communicate now as societies and just globally.
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47:53
Like, we all just talk on I mean, gosh. Like, I’ve used this example before somewhere talking, but it’s ai I think about back when I was in high school, like, my high school girlfriend, you know, we would have some trivial argument about something. There was no way that me and her were gonna text and figure out how to fix that.
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48:08
And now, you know, like and that was a high school relationship, like, that was over something stupid. It’s ai real world problems. You can’t fix just texting, and I don’t think we can fix all this shit on x and Facebook and all that. I think it’s like it’s I think people just have people are we’re almost to the point now where we prefer socializing on the Internet because it’s it’s almost like our minds have become more adapted to think that way, but it’s but it’s we’re we’re in this digital world chasing and emulating all of the things that we’re that are that we have this void from from not having in real life.
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48:41
Like, I don’t know. It’s it makes it very complicated to fix anything when we’re the only way that we can we have this amazing, intricate English language where all these words can mean all these different things, and it’s so easy to put everybody together in a digital space with AI and bots and manipulation and and algorithms and big companies.
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48:58
And how do you fix all that in that space? It’s just like it’s you’ll never it’s like in a house we’re just in sai house of mirrors. You know?
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Yeah. You you’re you’re supposed to not engage. That’s what people need to stop doing. But the problem is the consequences of the actions of the rest of the world do affect you if they’re big. And so you worry about the big ones. So you pay attention. So you gotta pay attention to the bad news of 8,000,000,000 people, which is just unsustainable.
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And it’s also this ability to interact or not interact as you choose all throughout the day. Like, you don’t have to be invested in a conversation.
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If you
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and I have a conversation and you ask me about something and I start to answer and I just wander off, you’re like, well, how fucking rude. But on the Internet, that’s normal. Like, meh many post something, somebody have a response sai hour later and nobody cares. It’s like, I guess, he was busy. Yeah.
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You know, it’s normal because you’re engaging and not engaged. It’s very unhuman. All of it is unhuman, and it’s all, like, constant. Even if you think you’re immune to it, there’s this constant input of other people’s thoughts into your own that makes you foggy. It gives you, like I was talking to Sugar Shah O’Malley about it once, and he said, I get a low level anxiety just scrolling. I’m like, yeah. Right?
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Like, what is that?
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I think it’s on purpose, though. That that’s captive. That keeps you it keeps you engaged, though. You know? Yeah.
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But I don’t even know if it’s on purpose. I mean, I think it’s just they figured it out along the way that people get engaged like that. Like, that’s why when you open up TikTok, it immediately starts playing you things. Like, you’re you’re on the hook right away. Mhmm. The Instagram, you gotta choose.
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Like, sometimes you might get a picture of someone’s dog, aw. And then you scroll up and it’s sai music video, and then you scroll up and it’s a guy getting assassinated. And it’s and you you meh to choose. You know? With TikTok, they just arya hammering you.
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Even with Instagram, it seems very flashy. Like, there’s always stuff. You know? And there’s always sex always ends up somewhere in it. Like Yeah. Something gets popped up or whatever and you just
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It’s all for engagement and that’s your attention is what’s worth so much money, which is so strange. It’s so strange. Your data and your attention. Nobody thought about the data part. Boy, if we thought about the data part and they set up different regulations back in the nineteen nineties when AOL first burst onto the scene, if they ai, like, oh, data is going to be one of the most valuable things in tech companies that do nothing but offer you free email and a free search engine arya gonna be the biggest fucking companies in the world.
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And it’s because of your data. And they’re gonna be, like, siphoning off your data without telling you about it, and they’re even gonna be lying about it. They’re sana be running, like, little secret things where they’re snatching up your contact list and snatching up your email and all your friends and trying to get them to buy shit.
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It’s like, pow. Yeah.
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Well, it’s it yeah. I mean, even just that’s what I mean. Even just the little bit of access I have to my fan base and, like, the reports that can be ran on, like, what they do and what and who they are and, like, it’s seeing seeing it from that ai, it’s just it just really, it goes back to, like I said, just saying that I I think we’re for ai now in society, our job is to feed this machine.
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And so and it know like, it just knows entirely too much about all of us. And that’s very important in every aspect and and whether it’s in, like, comedy, music, any kind of pop culture, like, everything all of our reactions and behaviors to what is presented to us on these platforms only makes it ai down even further.
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And they’re able to see, like, your lookalike audiences and what they look at and where they shop and what they like and the what their retention is on certain videos that have this certain type of thing. And it’s like this whole it’s just a lot of psychology that goes into it that people don’t realize.
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It’s very easy to download the app and get on there and look and
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But you don’t have to pay attention to it. You could just be yourself. That’s also possible.
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That’s I just couldn’t find a way to be on there and still, the only time I’m ever on my ai is if I’m with Draven or somebody and we’re, like, looking through comments together and replying to stuff or doing things. But I don’t have any of I haven’t had anything logged in on any of my devices since last November.
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Yeah. Just keep doing what you’re doing. Like, that’s the the the thing that I was saying about what AI can’t recreate in music. Yeah. I’m sure there’s AI songs and there was a great AI song by Drake that they made that they had to get removed. Right? Then they don’t they remove those?
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Ai think so. But people still wanna hear the real shit. Like, the reason why your song became so popular was because you could really sai it’s just a guy with a guitar, like, standing
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Yeah.
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You know, ram behind him and shah and a dog in the background.
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There’s a there’s a thousand more people that are way better than me that are in that same speak. And I think I think my dream of this long term is to figure out how to, like, like, how do you get all those people into the limelight? Like Yeah. Like, what I’ve been working on since I guess, you know, the one important thing to to drill home to people too as a follow-up since the last time we were here, it goes back to that first conversation we had.
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But, you know, you remember I was arguing that I really wanted to put all the money from Richmond into a nonprofit and not ever even touch it because I was just I didn’t want all that. I felt like it wasn’t my money. I felt like all those people went out of the way and supported me and, like, blew all these other huge songs off the chart.
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54:08
And I just I wanted to so and then you said, well, no. Don’t do that because nonprofits are sketchy and people are corrupt and, like, just keep the money yourself and then figure out how to do good with it. And that was the biggest thing I walked away from that first conversation we had.
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And so, you know, now it’s ai that’s the one thing I do want people to know too, though, is, like, that Richmond money and everything, it’s it’s went to good it’s went to do a lot of and what I think will be in in the long run a lot of important things. I’ve been buying most of it’s went towards buying land and stuff, but I’ve got this whole kinda crazy thing.
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I’m ai a just a way for people to unscrew their minds, to get reconnected into nature and, You’re gonna be a cult leader? I was thinking about it. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking about I might I might try to get with Vermin Supreme.
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He’s got this cool idea about everybody having a free pony and stuff, and I think that would work out. You ever seen him, Vermin?
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No. Who’s that guy?
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Vermin Supreme. Do you
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know who he is, John?
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He runs for president I think he’s ram, Connecticut, maybe. He runs for president every time. He wears he has a big boot on his head. What?
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Yeah. How do I not know this guy?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yo. He’s hilarious. There’s a if you
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go in
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there’s a video of him from that New Hampshire. There’s a video of him from that New Hampshire primary. How do
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I not know about this guy? He a boot on his head?
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55:28
He his yeah. He says he’ll take he’s gonna he’s gonna take everyone’s guns away, but he’ll give you ones that are better.
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55:34
Says he runs on gingivitis and zombie power.
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55:37
He, yeah. He has a mandatory tooth brushing policy, and he’ll he’ll say things like, well, no. You know, it doesn’t have anything to do with the tooth brushing control camps and the the dental hygiene authoritarian center or I don’t know.
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55:51
He just Give me some video of this cat. Oh my god. I gotta hear you talking.
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55:55
The best one of him is from that nuke is from that Connecticut, that one, like, where he’s wearing the yellow jacket, wherever that video is. That’s a there you go.
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Vermin Supreme.
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56:07
Thank you. Ai has been eroding the gum ai of this great nation long enough and must be stopped. For too long, this country has been suffering a great moral and oral decay.
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Ai get it. Duck boot on his head.
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A country’s future depends on its on its ability to bite back. We can no longer be a nation indentured. Our very salivation is at stake. Together, we must brace ourselves. As we cross over to the bridgework into the twenty third century, let us ai the bullet and together make America a sea of shining smiles from sea to shiny sea.
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Now, friends, some people will tell you that this mandatory toothbrushing law is about the secret dental police kicking down your door at 3AM to make sure you’ve brushed. Friends, it is not. Some will mention the dental reeducation centers or
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the dental dental reeducation.
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Facilities. It’s about none of these things. It’s not about the government issued toothpaste containing an addictive yet harmless substance. No, friends. It is not even about DNA gene splicing to create a race of winged monkeys to act as tooth fairies. Friends, what this mandatory tooth brushing law is really about is strong teeth for a strong America. My name is Ruben.
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57:31
What does this guy do for a living? He looks like an open mic that you would find at the Comedy Store.
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57:35
He looks like somebody that would be on, like, a Kill Saloni, but he’s he runs every time and just he just tries to make like, at the at the very end of this, he whoever the guy is beside him running, he’s, like, sprinkles dust all over him and says he’s gonna make him gay. And so I don’t know. He just he just makes he’s just in there making a mockery of it, I ai. You know?
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But
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That’s funny.
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But, yeah, that’s who Ai I’ll have to team up with him for my for my cult or whatever, my toothbrushing cult.
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A 100%. You need him on board.
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He needs to
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be the toothbrush guy. If you’re gonna have a colt, you can’t have stinky breath.
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58:07
Yeah. You gotta keep it together. But yeah. That’s my yeah. Maybe it’s like a colt or something. I don’t know.
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But helping, other musicians that that have talent, ai, giving them a vehicle, That’s huge, man. Like, because a lot there’s a lot of people that just don’t know how to get started. And ai, the thing that makes you a brilliant musician or even a brilliant comic makes you bad at promoting because you’re not thinking about yourself.
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You’re ai really locked into the work. You’re really locked into your thing. And it takes someone who’s really thinking about themselves a lot and promoting themselves. It’s a totally different mindset to be ai the social media ai. Like, to be ai really into ai social media videos and really into ai promoting your gigs and you know, so ai a lot of guys fall by the wayside because they just never put their stuff out there.
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Like, there’s some brilliant comics ai, I don’t wanna I don’t wanna make a special. Like, ai you should put this out, man. This is great stuff. And but they’re they just wanna kill. They just wanna go up.
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59:06
Their their thing every night is get on that stage and do the thing right and then rewrite it. I don’t know what I mean. Go back and
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It’s also the attention and stuff of it.
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Uh-huh.
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It’s the it’s the not yeah. I mean, that’s kinda what I I kinda laugh when all this happened again with a scorn with the scornful song. I was I remember I called Draven, like, right after everything went up and everything was starting to move, and I was like, oh, what, like, what have we done?
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59:30
You know? Like, here we go. Here comes the Yeah. The New York Post is gonna come showing up again at my grand you know, my grandparents’ house next speak again or whatever. And this is ai but I think it’s also just, yeah, people just maybe don’t want the attention.
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59:43
There’s a lot of really funny, genuine people that do comedy, but and and they can do they can get up there and you have enough attention on them to do the comedy, but they don’t wanna be like, hey. Look at me. I mean, I fight that constantly. Even ai that little video where we were going in the plane yesterday, and I ai, plane by day, Joe RoganPie.
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You know, like, I don’t even just making little videos like that, I feel way out of place. Like, I don’t want I don’t need I don’t want people to think ai I’m saying, hey. Look at me. You know? I mean, that’s why I try to go through these periods where I just don’t post or I
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don’t post. At least you were in a regular airport. Yeah. Southwest. The worst is when people are doing those things in front of a private jet. I’m like, okay. We get it. You’re rich. You know? If people try to take photos of me in front of a jet, I’m like, uh-uh. Yeah.
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I’m not I’m so not into this. I’m not. I don’t like the attention. I don’t want it. I don’t need it.
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It’s which is weird because I got a lot of it. And I think it’s probably why I have a lot of it. It’s because I’m not looking for it.
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01:00:36
Yeah. But you’re also able to you’re channeling it out through all these other I mean, think about all the things that you’ve influenced and been a part of and done even just through this podcast and all the conversations had and the information shared. Like, it’s not like you’re just posting a bunch of pictures with your shirt off, like, hey. Look at me. Like, you’re using it. I mean, I I don’t know.
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I I almost would say it’s a I don’t know that it’s a coincidence that you got put in the spot for a lot of reasons. I mean, there’s a lot you probably don’t even look at it that way, but there’s a lot of important things that come out of this. And all the other podcasts you’ve inspired that have done I mean, gosh, dude.
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01:01:05
It’s a there’s no way to even calculate what you’ve If you if you had never been born, there’s no way to calculate how different things would be now. Like Well that’s important to think about though, you know, like ai
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Sort of. But sort of. But from my perspective, I was just one piece in this thing that happened.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, that’s why I always have my friend Adam Curry on, who’s the original. He’s the pod father. Without him, there would be none of this. He figured out a way to do this and, you know, and then also Anthony Cumia from Ram. P. Anthony and Tom Green. Those are those are my number one influences. And then Adam Corolla already had a podcast when I started. I was like, oh, Adam went from radio to the Internet.
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Maybe I could do that. I remember going to his place and, oh, that’s pretty cool. It’s back when we were doing it on a little laptop. I’m like, ai, Adam has like a real studio. He’s got employees and shit. And then, you know, we just kept doing it. We just kept doing it, you know.
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And then eventually, it was webcams. Okay. Now, it’s not just sai laptop camera, it’s actually webcams. Okay. Now, maybe we should have, like, real cameras. Okay.
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Let’s get real cameras. And then, like, maybe we should get a fucking studio. So we tried it at the ice house for a little bit ai maybe I should get another place. Then we got another place. I’m like, I think I need a warehouse. And then ai, I think I need armed security. I think I need fucking special ops guys around me all the time.
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And then it just kept going, man. I remember the moment, and I’ve talked about this before, but I didn’t understand what was happening until one day Ai was on stage in Chicago. And I I think this is 02/2012. So I think I think it was around then. So the podcast was only three years old, and I didn’t realize how many people watched it or listened. A lot of it was listening at the ai.
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Because I wasn’t I don’t look at the numbers. I just kinda key I feel like, well, that’s bad for you. You know, reading the comments, looking at the numbers. I just like, do what you do. That’s why I do it exactly the same way.
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I have a bunch of people on there no one has ever heard of, you know. And then a few Bonos and stuff, you know. Every now and then, I’ll have Russell Crowe on something crazy. Like, well,
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01:03:04
that guy’s here.
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Dennis Quaid’s here. This is nuts. Yeah.
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01:03:06
You’re Meh Mel Gibson one.
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01:03:07
Yeah. He’s the best. But but I was on stage in Chicago and I was telling the story about the podcast. I go, how many guys listen to the podcast? Anyway, yeah. Ai was like 3,700 people in this place. And they were all screaming. I went, woah. Yeah. That’s when I realized.
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01:03:24
Like, at that moment, I was like, holy shah. How big is this thing gonna get? And this is another funny thing. When I went over to Spotify, I was trying to get 10% less famous. That was my goal. My goal was to fade away.
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My goal was, like, if somebody has to pay me and you have to go to this app to get it, all the people that are getting at the other apps will probably stop listening. Yeah. Like, this would be great. I’ll get all the money and I’ll just fucking drift into this place where it’s only like the hardcore fans that make the track over to Spotify.
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And then this fucking COVID thing happened. Meh the beginning of the podcast, we lost 50% of our views and Jamie was in a hot panic.
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01:04:04
Yeah. That’s exactly what I meant earlier about not putting a lot of songs out. There’s ai a there’s some cool place where you can be where you’re where you have your real fans and you’re having fun, but you’re not into all the sensationalism, all the crap, you know, like
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You can avoid all that. You’re a real guy. You’re a real dude. And I think one of the ways that the world has prepared you for this is that you’ve lived a a normal life for a long time. You know, a normal life with no live performances, no notoriety, no fame, no nothing. You developed ai a like, when people wanna hear working man songs, you fucking know Bruce Springsteen isn’t a working man. Do you know what I’m saying? Yeah.
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01:04:42
Like,
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he probably was never really a working man. He was never working on the docks. You know what I mean? He was never really a guy grinded it out. He he became famous pretty fucking young, you know. They Bruce Springsteen in in the Eat Street Band, they got hot early. Like, they’re great. Don’t get me wrong.
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01:05:00
I mean, especially as early sai something Born to Run, fuck. He’s got some jams, dude.
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01:05:04
Yeah.
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He’s got some great songs, you know. Brilliant Disguise. Oh, Sai fucking love that song. But you’re a real working man. Like, you were a real working man when you made Richmond North of Richmond. Like, that is real. And you can’t fake that. And people want that. They want a fucking trucker hat. They want ripped jeans. They don’t ai, like, ripped jeans that ram ripped from work. You know what I mean?
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01:05:30
They don’t like real oil stains on your knees because you’re fixing your own car, you know. Like, that’s what people want in this world. They want authenticity. And it’s possible to maintain authenticity regardless of how big you get. It is possible. And I think you can do it.
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01:05:44
I think you can do it because you got here later in life. You got here and lived a real ai, and then you you made it into magical fantasy land where we all live.
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01:05:54
Yeah. Well, the thing that I’ve gotten the most from you like I said, I don’t look at my streaming numbers or anything either. That’s what I ai, like, when I I finally did go back and look at Spotify, like, Sai after a year, a year and a half later, it’s just like, oh my god.
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01:06:06
Like, I’m this is still the thing. You know? But, sai I agree with you there. I don’t look at the numbers. I Ai do I do catch myself reading a lot of the comments, but only because a lot of them are important.
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01:06:16
And they I think some of the stories in them are important for me to I don’t I don’t wanna completely isolate myself from that. And like I said, I also really like some of the negative ones too, I think. And their negative ones are a lot less now than they used to be. It was just really early on. People didn’t understand how everything happened, and I really didn’t understand it either. That’s why Ai was like, whatever. You know?
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01:06:32
But, moving forward now, yeah, I’ve got a good, like, core team of people. I’ve got Draven from Radio WV. I’ve got two or three people on staff. I don’t have a management company or a publicist. You know? Perfect.
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01:06:44
Ai that’s the key.
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01:06:45
I’m keeping it real real low well, I mean, it just amazed me when I came here for the first time and saw the staff you have and then, like, meeting Lex. You know, Lex does all of it. He even turns his own cameras on and stuff. There’s only Lex in the whole place. It’s like, gosh.
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01:06:58
I don’t need all these it’s like a lot of those positions and jobs and services that musicians use, I think they don’t realize that they don’t even need. They just are like, oh, that’s how it is in music. That’s what I wanna I wanna yeah. I don’t know exactly.
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01:07:11
It eliminates it eliminates the executive influence. It eliminates the corporate mindset. It eliminates that. Because there’s always gonna be a person that wants you to make a decision that’s better for you financially. Whereas, like, your instincts are guiding you towards this artistic decision.
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01:07:25
Yeah. And ai those people get in the mix, they fuck everything up.
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01:07:29
I’ll give you a great example. It’s like the only it’s the only, like, call out on here that’s negative that I’ll say it all is that, just to show, like, how stuck in the mud the industry is and how how much I think it’s gonna change in the near future is, leading up to the scornful release, me and Draven had went back and found about 30 or 40 people who just without us even knowing who they were made the Richmond reaction videos, and they were a big part of of the push of it, especially long term, you know, ai, people on TikTok and stuff that had made these videos.
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01:08:01
And so I I don’t have I own a 100% of my publishing, you know, all the music’s ai, thankfully. I have my own label technically that collects the money, but you have to use a publishing administration deal in order to collect money, like, overseas. I don’t know if you’re familiar
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01:08:15
No.
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01:08:15
If it’s the same in comedy, but, ai, yeah, most any musician, whether you’re independent or you’re with somebody, you have to have some kind of pub admin. And it’s basically somebody that goes and helps you collect publishing money from over basically, mostly from overseas is the way I understand, like, all these obscure places that money exists.
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01:08:31
So Warner Chapel does it for me for 9%. Right? So they go collect all the stuff. They keep 9% of it. They’re the same to me as if I had a commercial landscaping company managing a property for me. So all I asked them to do was, hey, Warner Chapel.
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01:08:45
This six foot square of grass where all these reaction videos exist, just please ai list these people so they don’t get copyrighted. I want them to actually make the money they make on the scornful reaction videos, you know. Like, I don’t I don’t feel right if if they’re gonna go and make a scornful woman reaction video or or play drums over it or whatever.
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01:09:02
I don’t wanna take 50% of what you know what I mean? Just don’t copy just ai list them. And it should have been, okay. Great. Good idea. You know?
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01:09:10
Instead, they just said, we can’t do that, but it’s for your protection.
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01:09:15
So Because they wanted the money. So And they get a percentage? Are they on a how do they how do they get
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01:09:19
Well, meh. They get they they take 9% off of what I
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01:09:22
get. They know what
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01:09:23
But I tried to explain to them, well, no. Like, in the business sense I I even counter argued them, and I was like, well, let’s think about it in the business sense. This little bit of money, right, that you’re not gonna collect off these reaction videos will generate who knows how much traffic to the music, which is worth the money you really sana.
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01:09:40
And it shouldn’t matter anyway. It’s not their it’s not their shit to decide on. It’s mine. They’re just it’s it’s the same thing as if I hired a guy to cut the grass at my commercial property and said don’t cut the six foot square ai they’re like, no. We’re cutting it.
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01:09:52
We’re cutting all the grass and it’s for your so I had to get my attorney involved and spend like $4 and they ai listed them for thirty days. And so I’m like, okay. Like, that’s why all that’s why all of you industry people are ai sai you know, it’s like, that’s why this is happening.
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01:10:05
That’s why peep it’s like I don’t know. Just they don’t care at all about the little guy or the the people who are, like, doing all the work. They just I just picture all these, like, stinky librarian type old people sitting around a table ai, and, you know, they can make all this money and make all these horrible decisions and pour all these millions of dollars into songs that don’t work, and it doesn’t matter because it’s just like sai it it’s not their they don’t care.
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01:10:28
They’re getting their big salary in.
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01:10:30
Yeah.
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01:10:30
So, so, yeah, it’s just even even in the even in the most minuscule relationships I’ve had in Nashville, I get resistance and pushback. And, like, it’s on I don’t know. Like, why wouldn’t they want me to ai those 30 speak? It’s just a little stupid stuff like that that I’ve constantly dealt with.
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01:10:46
So I’ve just decided now, like, I don’t need I just don’t wanna do anything in the music. Like, I don’t even need to be in the music business, like, in that sense, you know. I just I write my songs. I record them. I go do my shows and have fun, but I don’t even need to follow any of the model of what of what, like, a traditional musician arya person would have done.
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01:11:02
You definitely don’t need to try
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01:11:04
to answer. Ai don’t need
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01:11:05
to do it that way. It’s not necessary. And you you have the the right mindset is that all those reaction videos will just get more people to listen to your music. It’s that’s fast.
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01:11:14
Those are real those people were, like, real fans who went and did it, not because they were trying to get traffic or money or whatever. They just, like, liked it and wanted to push it. And so the least I can do is not take 50% of their stuff and, like, it just but isn’t that crazy that it’s ai there’s nobody’s ever done that, I guess, like, before.
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01:11:33
They were just acting like that was just the craziest thing in the world. So I ended up releasing this scornful song through a company called Sound On, which is ai the music distribution side of TikTok, which seems like something I would never wanna do, but they give me the flexibility to go and, like, and do all the they don’t care because they’re not music industry people.
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01:11:54
They’re just social media people. So I uploaded it through them, basically. So I’m still I own all a 100% of the rights. It’s all my stuff. I don’t have any deals or records or labels or anything, but they push it to the streaming services for meh, and they do all the stuff.
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01:12:07
So that way, I’m not even having to use a music company to push my music. I can kinda just, like, not even be there at all, you know, like, not even be in Nashville at all. That’s the goal is just to get and so now that I’ve got data ram, you know, since Richmond, basically, and have learned a lot, ai goal long term is to I want I’m sana just always put new music out and write stuff and you know?
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01:12:29
But it’s gonna come in spurts, and there’ll be times where people won’t see a lot of me, but I’m gonna be in the background with other people. Like, I wanna help. I wanna find these people on TikTok that have, like, a 100 followers, but I know that they’ve got what it takes and get with, like, Draven and some of these other people I’ve met and, like, help them write some really good songs and record them and put them out and push them and just, like I would love to plant, like, 10 or 15 people into music, like, give them everything I can give them to to push them forward and make, like that way, it doesn’t feel like it I’m I’m the guy in the spotlight trying to, like I I feel like I’m just in a I feel like I’m, like, the most I don’t know.
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01:13:01
These companies have got, like, all these employees and all this money and all this backing, and it’s literally, like, four or five of us taking them. It just I don’t know. To me, I just think Sai I think there’s strength in numbers. If I could help more artists push forward and, like, help them break that cycle too, that it would just it would be ai a multiplication factor on this whole thing.
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01:13:18
That’s kinda what that’s gonna be ai my next thing I get into is is helping produce music and doing festivals and, like, starting a label, basically, kinda sorta.
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01:13:29
That’s fucking awesome.
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01:13:30
But a non predatory one. Like, even even when Draven put somebody on Radio WV, if they get 30,000 views, there’s already people trying to sign them. Like, they just want control of every new thing that’s, you know Well, that’s
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01:13:42
what they were trying to do to you right off the bat.
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01:13:44
Oh, and it felt terrifying too to not do it. It just felt like I was just it felt like I was just everything it was everything in me felt wrong doing it. You know? But I just decided that I didn’t care about it and that it I just, you know, I I remember being very adamant at the beginning that every decision moving forward was based off the fact that I wasn’t scared to go back to my old job if I had to.
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01:14:04
Because I’d rather go back to my old job and be me than go to Republic, but just be Republic’s little bitch. You know? And have to do everything they want and say everything. Like And also seeing where
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01:14:13
all your profits go and realizing that you got hoodwinked into these deals. Because these deals, when they give you a big chunk of money, you gotta pay that money back.
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01:14:21
Yeah.
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01:14:21
That’s all just an advance.
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01:14:23
If I had went with a label, I would have been a lot bigger, though, because they would have made me push 30 songs out a year, and they would have put all this marketing money into it. And they would have kind of inflated me into this big fake ai, every other country superstar.
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01:14:36
And so it feels a lot better just kinda being a little a little scaled back, a little smaller, but, yeah, collecting a 100% of my ai. And then also just knowing that I don’t have a boss anymore other than, you know, other than the man upstairs. Like, I don’t gosh, dude. I mean, like, imagine how you know, I’ve heard stories from bands and stuff now that have told me that they’ve went and had to record music, like, under a label contract and really didn’t like the way the album turned out, but still had to release it anyway.
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01:15:01
Like, oh my gosh. That would just make me to have to put music out that I didn’t think was good and then they’re gonna leave it.
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01:15:07
Voted. Now they’re gonna get behind it. Yeah. Meh. You don’t want other people, especially financial people, to ever be involved in your art art ever. Even if they’re good people, like, no. We can work out a beneficial deal for both people. No. No. It’s not gonna be beneficial for you. It’s gonna influence you.
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01:15:24
And it’s gonna turn you in one way or another that’s not the way you would have originally gone on your own.
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01:15:28
And the reason there’s so much money in music is because music such a big part of us as human beings. And it’s like it’s so funny. The first thing they do when they sign somebody is, like, try to rip their identity away. And it’s like they it’s like the labels don’t understand that it’s the identity of the person that put them in the position they’re in in the first place.
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01:15:44
It’s like you said, the relatability of it. You know?
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01:15:47
Well, there’s also people have this instinct to try to influence people. So it’s one of the things that executives do in the beginning when someone’s just starting me. Well, you know what you should do? You should get a crew cut. I think you’d look great with a crew cut. And then, like, the crew cut was my idea. Yeah. You know, something about Oliver’s crew cut. Everybody loves that crew cut. Yeah, man.
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01:16:04
So it’s just ai, he doesn’t give a fuck about his hair. That was my idea. Yeah. You know, there’s a little of that because, like, people are easily influenced because, like, in the beginning, you’re not sure. Like, I can’t even believe I got signed.
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01:16:13
Like, am I gonna be a star? These people are all here for meh, you know, and they’ll fucking get in there.
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01:16:19
That’s happened to me. I mean, I brought, around February or so, I hired this management company that stayed they were my management company for three weeks. So that ai tells you how well things work. But he was super nice, like, loved everything I was doing. And then as soon as I ai as soon as I started with him, he was telling other people that I know, like, yeah, we gotta figure out how to make him cool.
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01:16:39
And he needs to put, like, 40 or 50 songs out this year, and they were wanting me to make the social media post, like, meh Beyonce’s country album because he thought it was gonna get me in a position. Like, it’s exactly what you’re saying. It’s just like and I just told him.
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01:16:52
I was like, dude, I if I wanted to just be if I just wanted to be somebody’s little, like, somebody’s little puppet, I would there’s a lot I would’ve taken a lot more money for it. Ai, you know, I’m independent, so I don’t have to do that. It’s like but that’s ai and and it’s like the thing is is I don’t need to be cool.
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01:17:08
It’s okay that I’m kinda lame and I just but I’m just me and, you know, it is what it is. It’s like I don’t have to I don’t have to try to get on the Internet and pretend to be cool.
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01:17:14
There’s enough people doing it. Cool, man. Stop this. You’re cool. You’re not lame. You’re not lame at all. What the fuck are you talking about? You’re a cool guy. You make great music and you’re Well,
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01:17:23
thanks.
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01:17:23
Fun to hang out with. How are you how are you lame? Because you’re normal. Guess what? Everybody’s normal. It’s a ruse. Beyonce is normal too. She takes horrible shits. I’m sure. We all do. We all do. It’s they’re humans human beings, meh. This illusion of celebrity. It’s complete vatsal nonsense.
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01:17:41
Dude, that’s the best thing.
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01:17:42
Yeah. Everybody takes horrible shits.
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01:17:44
You want a brain gummy?
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01:17:45
Want some brain gummies?
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01:17:46
I was hoping you had some of the Alex Jones ones.
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01:17:49
Well, it’s just the Onnit ones. They’re new. They’re alpha brain gummies. We just got them.
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01:17:53
How is Alex doing these shit? Do you He’s great.
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01:17:55
He lost a lot of weight, man.
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01:17:56
I saw he’s getting, like Mhmm. Yeah. He’s ready for the next day. Ai friend
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01:17:59
Shah Johnson’s training him. Oh, really? Yeah. He gets gets up every morning. He works out for fucking hours. He’s lost I think he’s lost 70 pounds at this point.
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01:18:07
Mhmm.
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01:18:07
He looks fantastic, man. Yeah. He looks fantastic. He looks like he’s twenty years younger. People think this is really funny because, you know, his whole business is conspiracy theories. It’s a conspiracy that Alex has been replaced. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, folks. That’s real Alex. I’ve watched every step of the way and my friend trains him.
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01:18:24
So I can tell you for a fact that is the real Alex Jones. Quit drinking, quit fucking around, quit eating bad food. He’s eating healthy food now. He works out every day. It’s ai no Ozempic, no bullshit, no shortcuts. He did it the right way. He looks great.
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01:18:39
Yeah. Yeah. He’s, he’s definitely he’s definitely one of my bucket list people to meet at some point. I can
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01:18:45
introduce you to Alex.
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01:18:46
Yeah.
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01:18:46
We can make that happen for sure.
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01:18:48
100%. Maybe just I thought that’d just be hilarious.
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01:18:50
That’s done. Done. Done. Nice. Yeah. We’ll we’ll hook that up. Be prepared.
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01:18:56
That’d be an interesting conversation. Yeah.
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01:18:58
Because off air, he’s just like he is on air. He’s he’s, like, that’s Alex Jones. He’s ready to go. Yeah. Billion fucking what Bill Gates doing right now. And then they’re, like, corny. Like, what? How does he get in the way with that? Well well, basically, what they did, they paid off all the mass media.
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01:19:11
If you see, there’s a $350,000,000 donation that he gave to all media companies. Like, what? 350? Is that real? And then Jamie will look it up ai, holy fuck.
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01:19:18
Yeah. I know. He’s he’s right a lot of the time.
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01:19:21
He’s right most of the time except that one big one. But other
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01:19:24
than that But you get that with like they say like the kids say, you get that with those big jobs, you know?
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01:19:28
You know what also I think happens? And this is I think this is 100% real, is that there are a bunch of fake stories that get propagated to people that are really invested in conspiracy theories hoping that those people promote those fake conspiracy theories and then get outed as being wrong.
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01:19:45
Yeah.
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01:19:45
You know, I think, you can get caught up in that. And then Ai also think if you’re real quick to not check, and and I’m guilty of that all the time, to see if something’s legit. You know, that’s one of the vital roles that Jamie plays. Like, Jamie, like, maybe that’s not real. Like, what? Why are you fucking this up, Jamie?
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01:20:03
Like, we want it to be real. Right? You want a nice juicy conspiracy to be real. And then also, you know, at the time of the Sandy Hook stuff, he was drinking, like, a lot. And I think he was genuinely overwhelmed by all the real stuff that he was finding.
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01:20:18
You
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01:20:18
know, when he’s getting into the Iraq war and all these different things, it’s like he was just overwhelmed, man. I think he had a psychotic break, you know, and he’ll he’ll be the first to say that too. It’s like when your your whole business is uncovering uncovering insane conspiracies that everybody thinks you’re out your fucking mind. And then twenty years later, ai, holy shah.
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01:20:41
He was right about every step of the way. He was telling me about vatsal bank digital currency connected to a social credit score system that it’s game over because they’ll lock you in just like they’ve done with China. And he’s, like, saying this, like, a decade plus ago. Ai was like, what?
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01:20:57
Yeah. It’s great. Like, the guy before him that I think I think the two of them actually didn’t get saloni, but I always if I ever when if I ever do meet Alex, I was gonna ask about that as Bill Cooper, but he was a guy who kinda came before Alex. That was
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01:21:10
in the behold apparel horse guy.
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01:21:11
Right? Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, even back then, it just most of it seemed like total madness back then, and now it’s like but it’s just sort of ai I laugh about when I was a kid, everyone thought that Michael Jackson was the big, like, sexually perverted ai, and who knows with Ai but, you know, now I look at Michael as, like, this just kid that was put in this terrible position from a child up, and now all these other musicians that you wouldn’t even think are the sex predators are.
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01:21:35
It’s just kinda like, you just don’t really know much of anything anyway. But, yeah, like ai that
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01:21:39
With the Michael Jackson thing too is his doctor said that he was chemically castrated when he was young to maintain his voice. And I believe him. Because that that totally makes sense. You look at his ram, he his his really thin frame where it doesn’t look like he has any testosterone.
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01:21:57
Look at all his brothers. His brothers are, like, thick, like
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01:22:01
What would chemically what does chemically castrated mean exactly?
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01:22:04
Well
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01:22:05
Do I even wanna know? It’s a
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01:22:06
crazy thing. It’s hormone blockers. Okay. It’s exactly what they’re doing to trans kids now.
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01:22:09
Yeah.
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01:22:10
It’s the same thing.
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01:22:11
Okay.
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01:22:11
And that’s why Michael Jackson had that voice. It’s very similar to a castrada’s voice. Mhmm.
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01:22:16
Do you
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01:22:17
know what a castrato is? So these kids in opera were
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01:22:22
castrated when they
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01:22:23
were young. And there’s only one available recording, I think. It’s just it’s like one guy. Right? Have you ever heard it? You should hear this.
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01:22:29
A long time ago. Yeah. Ai like to hear it.
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01:22:31
Let’s let’s listen to some of it because it’s fucking creepy.
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01:22:34
I just have heard stories about, like, about that being a thing. That they
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01:22:38
would keep their voice
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on it.
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01:22:39
Children sai that they never had testosterone, so that their body never really developed, and then they would have them maintain that young voice, that high pitch that’s only possible if you don’t develop the deepness that comes with Mhmm. That’s why when trans men when women start taking testosterone, their voice starts getting deeper. Things start getting weird. They arya getting very Dwayne Johnson.
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01:23:03
You know, it’s ai that’s testosterone. That’s what it that’s the effect that it has on your voice. And, these, poor fox. Alessandro Mareschi.
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01:23:20
Ai don’t wanna I’m not gonna
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01:23:22
don’t make fun of him. It’s a beautiful woman.
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01:23:27
Ai is a grown man. Right?
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01:23:43
He has a grown man.
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01:23:55
That’ll be, like, sampled in the next Kanye song or something. Yeah.
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01:23:58
We can leave it there. We don’t have to play anymore of it. It’s so haunting. It’s so haunting. First of all, what fucking psycho figured out that if you cut off little boy’s balls, you could make them sing like that forever? Like, what fucking psycho was the first person to do that? Yeah. Because these are little kids they’re doing it to. They’re doing, like, six year olds.
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01:24:16
Was this in the church was this ai a church thing or
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01:24:18
sai do not know. It was an opera thing. But I know
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01:24:20
that Opera thing.
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01:24:22
Castrating men, you know, eunuchs was a common thing when people were working in the the homes of royals, they’d castrate them. There’s one of the most horrific stories was Nero. Nero, beat his wife to death and then took a slave boy who looked like his wife and castrated him and changed his name to his wife and presented him as his wife.
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01:24:46
Mhmm. Yeah. People in power have always been horrible.
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01:24:52
Mhmm. Yeah.
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01:24:53
People when they get unchecked power have always been horrible. That’s why directionally, like this whole no kings protest that’s supposed to go down on Saturday. Directionally, it’s correct. Like, you don’t want kings, you don’t want oligarchs, but who’s funding it? Well, it turns out it’s funded by an oligarch.
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01:25:09
It’s certified by a lady worth $20,000,000,000 who’s the heiress to Walmart who Mhmm. Walmart, a company that employs cheap labor and sells a lot of stuff from China that would be affected by tariffs.
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01:25:22
You know? It’s like that with all of them, though. It’s like
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01:25:24
It’s like that with everything, man. Everything is ai it presents as being this moral situation. Like, they’re really looking out for you. They’re really looking out for people. There’s they’re never really looking out for people. There’s always some primary profit motive that’s causing any organized thing. All this it’s never for the human race.
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01:25:45
It’s unless the people are all on mushrooms, it’s never for the human race. And until mushrooms get legalized, that’s probably never gonna happen. And that’s the real battle. The real battle is what gets legal first, AI or mushrooms? You know?
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01:26:00
Yeah. It’s
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01:26:01
Both of us will lead towards God. Both of them will lead towards God, but one with a completely different outcome.
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01:26:06
I’ve it’s gonna take me, like, four or five times listening to it to be able to talk about it. But, I’ve went back and listened to the to the maps maps of meaning on Audible. And it’s one of Jordan’s earlier works, you know, when he’s talking about society and how it’s structured and basically talks about, like, the motivations and the origins of why people always resort to evil.
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01:26:25
You know, ai, in this I mean, we talk so much about the holocaust, but not at all about all the other horrible tragedies that happened in the same time. But even, like, talking about with Russia, like, just think about the Soviet Union and what happened there and Mhmm. How easily people were turned again.
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01:26:36
It’s just we this little moment in time we’re in is just so we should just be so thankful for it even though it is mass chaos right now. Like, the fact that we can the fact that people are allowed to speak freely and do things and have have the influence and power they do is just nuts when you think about well, you’re right.
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01:26:52
I mean, is this the the same crazy people that we’re arguing about today have always existed in different forms and with different names and faces.
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01:27:00
But we are better off today than anybody else in human history. And this is a struggle and it is a vatsal, but I think we can come out of this on the other side if we all realize that we’re being played against each other. And that’s where it’s important. You know, when you’re paying people to protest, you’re leaving pallets of bricks around, and you’re organizing the whole thing, and you’re shipping people in on buses, and you’re making sure that all the people show up at a certain amount of time, and they’re all compensated, and you give them water and snacks.
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01:27:25
Like, we gotta realize what’s going on here. This is not for you. When you light your city on fire and you burn cop cars, it’s never good. It’s not good for you. It’s not good for the cause. They’re not gonna change the laws.
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01:27:35
One thing that I heard I heard from Trump today that I thought was very promising is that he wants to make an executive order where, people that are here for a long ai, that have been, like, working on farms, that are undocumented, that they won’t be targeted, and that they’ll be exempt from all this stuff.
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01:27:52
This is my feeling. Like, if you got here and you’re you’ve integrated into our society, yeah, maybe you shouldn’t have snuck in. But you did it and you’re not breaking any laws, you’re a hardworking person. Those those people need a path to citizenship, man. Because if you don’t, then they’re just they’re just preyed upon by people that will take advantage of the fact that they’re undocumented and not pay them what they’re legally supposed to pay them and not give them benefits if they’re legally supposed to have benefits.
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01:28:17
And they can’t say anything because they’re worried that immigration is gonna get called on them. So these people are in this constant state of ai, and then they hear about the ICE raids, like, at Home Depot. Like, what the fuck Yeah.
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01:28:28
There was a there was a big ICE raid, at the at the Facebook data center job not far from my place where I used to have to go when I was at.
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01:28:36
Facebook data center ai raid?
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01:28:38
Yeah. The Facebook project, it’s in, it’s not far from me in Virginia. I think it’s technically would be in it would be South Boston, I think, it’s technically in.
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01:28:47
Ai did bribe or or Facebook didn’t bribe ice.
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01:28:50
There’s a Facebook. I would’ve fucking bought
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01:28:52
ai some new cars.
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01:28:52
There’s a big job that, a big job site that I used to have to go on some that’s in, the Southern part of Virginia, like, not far from North Carolina. And I somebody was sending me pictures there from the other day, but they had a big ice sai. And there was dudes, like, running through the like, people were just escaping the job, like, running away from the job and stuff. It was nuts.
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01:29:10
But Why? Why? Ai, gang meh, yes. Criminals, yes. This, why? Why? Like, I think as crazy as it sounds, the only way to do this and look like you have a heart is evaluate people on a case by case basis. Like, there’s good people. There’s good people.
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01:29:29
It’s also so complicated because it goes back for so long, and the idea the thing now is that there’s two very polarizing opinions of what America even is or represents or what job it’s supposed to serve to the world. So, like, you know, in some yeah. Sure. They’re like, any for any country to exist, it has to have there has to be something there that identifies what it is as a country, and you have and, like, there’s, like yeah.
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01:29:49
Like, it just seems like without citizenship or without some definitive thing of who’s a citizen or ai, it’s like then it’s not even a country. It’s like and and most every country has some like, the idea of there being no immigration laws for a country means that it’s no longer a country.
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01:30:03
But I also think it’s ai the the the the opposite side of that too is, like, Meh always in theory, even though it’s always been ram by these there’s always been these corrupt people involved in it. In theory, you know, America was supposed was started as sort of this thing that was, ai, that can maybe be, like, ai, a sanctuary that, like, that, like, doesn’t allow the doesn’t allow monarchies and dictators and horrible things.
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01:30:29
You know, like, as bad as America maybe has been in certain cases, like, the fact that when when Japan lost, they didn’t just go and take it over and call it another part of America. Like, they went and tried to rebuild. Like, in theory, America is supposed to be this vein that exists of, you know, it’s it’s it’s originate its origination is from people who wanted to get away from monarchies and dictators.
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01:30:53
And, of course, like, it’s so easy to pick on the founding fathers and all their faults and the crazy things they did, but it was centuries ago in a different culture, and they probably were all maniacs. He’d have to be a maniac to to go up against the world’s biggest empire and take it on. You know?
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01:31:06
Like Ai
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01:31:06
a musket.
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01:31:07
With a fucking yeah. Like, you’d have to be you’d have to be crazy. And, of course, they had personality flaws, but they were the reality is is that here’s the thing that sucks is ai and it goes both ways. There’s a lot of things about people on the left that people on the right don’t realize that they have in common, and it’s the same way with this.
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01:31:22
Like, the I I it breaks my heart when people just totally trash the founding fathers, not because they were these morally they took horrendous shits too, I’m sure. Probably not as bad as Beyonce, but pretty close. And, you know, the fact, like of course, they were bad people. They were all bad. We’re humans. We’re flawed inherently.
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01:31:37
Even the best of us, even the ones who act ai we’re the best and the most like, we’re all screwed up. We all have our problems and our faults and stuff. But the fact that they were willing to, like, go somewhere to another land with all these with all these crazy stuff and then take on the, you know, the world’s biggest empire at that time just so they could be able to do what they you know, religious freedom.
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01:31:55
It’s like the they didn’t want religious religious freedom because they were not even necessarily because they wanted to go to church. I always thought it was like it’s so weird that they they were fighting for religion, but it wasn’t they were fighting for religion. They were fighting for the mandate of religion for the they were they were tired of the church.
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01:32:10
And, like, I know it’s not considered the church anymore, but there is still a church that dominates us and tries to to control us now. And that now, unfortunately, now the church is just sort of this weird thing, but it’s the it’s the zebra mentality, you know, among politicians.
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01:32:24
It’s like it goes back to that I think it’s Jordan Peterson that talks about the zebras and how they’ll do a study on zebras sana they’ll it’s in the Maps of Meaning book, I believe, and they’ll mark one red to study it. And then the predators take that zebra down because the zebra’s stripes aren’t camouflage to their surroundings. They’re camouflaged to each other, so they’re not easily identifiable.
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01:32:42
And so four or five lions can’t take one zebra down if they all look the same. And in politics, I believe that’s what’s happened, especially on the left. You know? I, I had people in Nashville quit working with me because Ai I I talked about this when I was at the Ryman, but I, we had this this, this dancing, this chick that plays the fiddle, and she does, like, flat dancing and stuff named Hillary Kluge, who lives in Nashville.
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01:33:06
And we had her come to the Ryman to do this show with us, and, it was on a last minute thing. And I’m about to introduce her. And I tell the crowd, I’m like, hey. You know? I sai, I got Hillary about to come out. And I was like, but it’s not don’t worry.
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01:33:17
It’s not that Hillary. And just made a all it took. Just made a joke about it. Well, I just somebody said something in the crowd that was and I don’t know. I just interact and I just say what comes to mind and I don’t care, you know, I don’t worry about all that stuff and what people might think.
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01:33:29
I just try to say what I ai, but I was ai, you know, isn’t it crazy that somebody like Hillary who not that long ai, I can remember vividly and as a child or in a teenage years, like, being completely against the idea of even having two people of the same gender be married.
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01:33:42
Like, she was as against gay marriage as, like, any any person on the far right is now.
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01:33:49
You know?
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01:33:49
And that was that was in my childhood or early teen. And I said, and now the fact that now that it’s okay for kids to become transgender and go through, like, what Michael did, that’s to me is just it just shows that it’s all theatrics and that none of those people really have any real, like, opinions about any of this stuff.
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01:34:04
It’s all about what it’ll sell. You know? Ai, again Did
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01:34:06
you say this at the Ryman?
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01:34:07
I said this at the Ryman. And so I had my, I had my management company that I was using then drop me and a bunch of other people without even telling me. They just emailed my attorney and said they couldn’t work with me anymore. Wow. They were that mad about that, which tells you how far off the deep end.
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01:34:23
But, anyway, it’s just
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Well, everything you’re
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01:34:25
saying is just
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a fact.
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01:34:26
But you’re exactly you’re exactly right with all that. It’s just, it’s difficult to convey that to people because there’s so many emotions involved. But at the end of the day, it’s ai, I don’t see a whole lot of difference in people on the left and the right anymore. I think we’re all just ai like you said, we all we all are trying to just effectively accomplish the same thing just in in different ways.
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01:34:47
And it’s really easy to get angry at somebody that’s on the same level as you than somebody that you don’t even know exists, which is ai with these private equity companies and these people in the background that do all that. Like, it the the enemy that so so what’s happened is is going back to the zebra thing, what I think has happened is, like, especially in politics, the reason why Hillary Clinton can be against gay marriage and then for transgender kids in my in a very short period of my lifetime and and a whole bunch of other politicians whether is that they’re all just constantly rearranging their stripes sai all the zebras look just ai.
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01:35:17
Because as soon as one of them looks a little bit different Right. You know, ai, ai, Tyler Gabbard or whatever. I don’t know. Name there’s plenty there’s plenty of people besides that’s just the first one that comes to mind vatsal, like, you know, trying to be a Democrat and and upholding most of what the democratic party would have wanted her to uphold up until very recently.
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01:35:37
But because she didn’t rearrange her stripes, it’s like, you’re dead. But there’s a whole bunch of more like her too that that aren’t even in politics anymore. But that’s that’s the way I see it now is it’s ai all these people. And so, like, even with big Donnie, you know, I wonder ai, yeah. Big Donnie.
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01:35:52
I see I just wonder even I just don’t trust it’s ai my Alex Jones syndrome, but it’s ai no matter how cool somebody seems like that, I think, like, man, does does him and Hillary really still chill? Like, they’re probably smoking a fat joint right now, this laughing. I don’t know. Like, you just don’t really know. You don’t really know.
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01:36:09
You’re just you have to see what you see, and you have to take it in and just hope that you have that somehow you have the discernment to know what’s true or not. But you really just don’t I mean, even with me, man, so much crazy stuff that gets said and done. And, I just don’t even when things come out about me that aren’t true, I just don’t even reply or acknowledge them anymore.
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01:36:27
I just let them exist in their own little space and be part of it. And I’ve just decided that, again, we’re just all in the we’re just in this crazy thing where all this stuff happens, and it’s just I don’t know. You can’t you can’t The problem is
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01:36:37
so many people that don’t do vatsal. There’s they’re not aware of how much influence is being pedaled onto them. How much how much their mind and their opinion is being affected by this nonsense on social media, by bots and by all these different things.
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01:36:51
What
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01:36:51
you said about the zebras and the stripes is so fucking perfect. One of my favorite clips is, Hillary Clinton when she was running, I think it was 02/2012. It might have been when did she fur he first become president? 02/2008. Right? Who? Obama?
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01:37:10
Yeah.
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01:37:10
It might have been 02/2008, but she was running and she was more MAGA than MAGA. Mhmm. She was talking about the border and about people coming over here. If you wanna stay, you get a stiff ai. And if you’ve done anything illegal, you get exported, no questions asked. And tyler listen to this.
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01:37:26
Give me this full volume from the beginning. Wait till you hear this. This is wild.
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01:37:33
So I think we gotta have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they’ve committed a crime, deport them. No questions asked, they’re gone. If they if they’ve been working and are law abiding, we should sai, here are the conditions for you staying. You have to pay a stiff fine because you came here illegally.
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01:37:53
You have to pay back taxes, and you have to try to learn English, and you have to wait in line.
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01:38:00
If Trump, like
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01:38:02
you have to wait in line. That’s so MAGA. I mean
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01:38:06
But it just proves the point that none of that really means they’re sitting in the green room in the back before that speech, and there’s, like, some stuff written out. And they’re just like, oh, I gotta try to remember all this crap. Like, none of that meant anything. You know?
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01:38:18
Like, none of that I don’t think she even believed when she said it back then. In other words, the salt is
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01:38:21
thought it was what the country wanted to hear. That’s all it is. Yeah. It’s all focus group shit. It’s all what the country wants to hear and what the party agrees upon, what the zebras all agree on. When you just said that, that’s it perfectly. And as it morphs, as it gets into trans kids, you gotta support trans people in the military. Whatever it is, they just all fucking hop in line.
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01:38:40
What flag am I putting in my Twitter bio?
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01:38:41
And to go back to go back to what you said at the beginning about those kids that are riding with the and they don’t really even know what they’re riding. They got the mask on, but they’re doing this. And it’s ai I guess what I mean is is there’s a bunch of human beings on Earth, especially now, like, in our in this sort of, like, American culture and all the other subseries of it, like, in, you know, Europe and everywhere is so Americanized now.
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01:39:04
But there’s all these people who are really angry. It’s kinda like why it’s the reason why, you know, there’s so many of these videos where they interview, like, the Antifa dudes, and they don’t really even know why they’re they’re not able to talk they’re not really able to articulate why they’re there or what they believe.
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01:39:18
They’re just there because they wanna they’re just there to riot. You know? Right. There’s this, like, general anger that I think has that dwells in a lot of us towards the system that we ai is inefficient and ineffective and rigged, but it’s just too complex, at least individually, and through the means of the Internet for us ai who our enemies really are.
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01:39:36
And so instead, it’s ai, let’s just go do like, let’s just go let’s go catch catch some shit on fire because at least it feels like we’re doing something. Even though but I think, like, I think there’s a lot more in common between the patriotic cosplaying type people who who wanna who talk all the time about, like, you know, that and the people who arya, like, Antifa.
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01:39:58
I actually think that they’re two of the same cloth. They just both they both just don’t really realize it. But I think I think, like, that there is this really amazing sort of rebellious spirit of the left that just needs to be reintegrated in a society with the right, and then it’s, like, then it becomes unstoppable.
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01:40:17
And it and it no longer becomes a left and a right thing, but I just don’t think like, I’ll give you another great example, like, like, when I was younger, I’d go to these some of these protests in DC and stuff, and I would always stay at George Washington University with these kids.
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01:40:32
And we were all in our early twenties probably, and we’re all very, like at that point, there wasn’t any, like, real political identity to it. I don’t think those people would have called themselves left back then. But you better believe most of them ended up going to all the black block and the antifa and the black lives Matter and every other protest there was just because they wanted to go protest.
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01:40:51
They just ai, like, you know? Like, it’s like it’s ai yeah. It’s like it’s a thing of of of, like, rebelling against the system.
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01:41:00
It doesn’t really part of the machine.
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01:41:02
It doesn’t really matter what part of the system it is or if it really even makes any sense. You just know that that’s yeah. It’s ai I think I think that’s what Sai mean is through the means of the Ai. I don’t think we’ll ever be able to organize all those people together in a way that’s productive, but I do think in real life, we can.
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01:41:16
I do think I do think through I think music is I think that’s why I wanna focus mostly on music and, like, trying to influence in a way to where the rich don’t control it and the rich don’t choose what songs we listen to and what songs make it on the charts ai we do. I think that’s the first step.
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01:41:31
I think actually, I think music is something like I guarantee you there if you looked if there was some way to I’m sure there’s some report to be ran where you could see how people voted versus what kind of music people listen to. And I guarantee you, a lot of people who voted differently listen to the same exact lyrics and resonate with them.
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01:41:45
Like, what is that like, they’re that’s all I ai. Is this we’re just been we we’ve just been mass distracted and mess and misled is all.
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01:41:53
Like Well, also, when you get these ai organized protests, they’re all organized with this one thought in mind. Like, there there’s there’s unlawful, you know, changes in policies that’s shipping our community back to Meh. And we gotta stop this. These are all, you know, oligarchs are involved, and this is a dictatorship. And they feel like they’re fighting against something bad.
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01:42:16
And if they’re uninformed and who the fuck who’s 21 is informed? You know? Most people who are young, especially if you’re going to college, you’re around a bunch of other like minded people in an echo chamber, and you’re all trying to, like, get social credit by being the most woke and the most activist y, and you’re the person who’s the most involved, and you’re helping ai, and you feel like you get a sense of purpose.
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01:42:39
And then there’s also the thing of being on the ground with a bunch of other people that are moving in a certain direction that to meh, it ign I think it ignites a thing in I think there’s things inside of us that get ignited. One of them is ai, here’s a the best way to describe is like fishing. You know, when you go fishing, I’ve seen people catch their first fish.
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01:42:59
When that fish gets on the line, they’re, you get excited. Everybody gets excited because it’s this ancient thing inside of you that lets you know you’re now successful. Your family’s going to eat. You caught a fish. Mhmm. And it just, like, sparks it inside of you.
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01:43:14
It does it with bow hunting, but very few people are gonna go bow hunting. But the other thing that it does it with is war, and protests are like war. You’re marching. You’re all together. Who’s opposing us? Fuck them.
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01:43:26
And everyone’s all aggressive and they’re all chanting, ai ai, fuck ice, fuck ice. And you think you’re doing the right thing. You think you’re doing the right thing. You know, and then you see shit like cops shooting rubber bullets at reporters, and you’re like, what the fuck? These people are garbage.
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01:43:43
Like, how are you shooting a reporter?
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01:43:44
Yeah.
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01:43:44
That’s not what you’re supposed to shoot at the level.
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01:43:46
Yeah. Well, and I but I think the the problem now is that it’s sai, there’s it’s too complicated to be able to dissect it and correct it that like like, with these Ai protests, though. In other words, there’s been such a heavily disputed and mismanaged protocol of our immigration my entire life.
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01:44:03
So now it’s ai you can’t now just go in and just try to like, that’s what’s gonna people are gonna protest though when you just all of a sudden go in and try to just, like, clean house all at once. It’s like we’ve never even really established as a country what it what it is or because, like, because most of the people we’ve listened to the last twenty years will say stuff like that and whatever year that was, 02/2008, and now say, gosh.
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01:44:25
Can you imagine if somebody said that now? That they would be ai a they would be a racist and taken off the Internet for saying what Hillary sai on there about having to speak English and stuff. So it’s For sure.
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01:44:35
But there’s a big difference between protests and organized protests where you’re paying people and then you’re leaving bricks around. This is a it’s ai it’s a bastardization. It’s a they’ve they’ve taken over the thing. This the the virtue of this thing, ai, this part of the first amendment, your right to express yourself, the right for the people to get together and say, hey.
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01:44:53
This is not cool. And they’ve distorted it with money, like everything else.
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01:44:58
Yeah.
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01:44:59
Do you And they’ve used it as a political tool.
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01:45:01
I would think maybe that that’s happened a lot, though, even in in the past with, like, civil rights and everything else. A lot of that was much more organized than it was made like, I didn’t know until just a couple years ago. Like, I’ve I’ve learned the story all through school and heard it a million times about Rosa Parks, but I didn’t realize until a couple years ago that she was part of some I don’t know.
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01:45:21
I don’t even know what she was part of, but she was part of some organization, and it was like a planned thing. Yeah. I just I I was always taught it, like, she just spontaneously did it. But I think another I think there’s just there’s every every, like, thing in history has this whole backstory to it that we don’t really know much about. Right.
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01:45:38
Most things have been manipulated if they can be manipulated. Once they ai they can manipulate people, they started and they probably started that a long time ago. I mean, we’ve talked about it a million ai, so that’s why Smedley bro Butler wrote War is a Racket ai. You know, Major General Smedley Tyler, who was they they tried to get him to overthrow the fucking government with a coup, and he wouldn’t do it.
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01:45:59
And then he writes his book about how every single operation he was involved with. He thought they were doing this, but really they were just making it sai for bankers. They’re really just overthrowing a government, installing a friendly one. It’s ai it’s been going on since they could. And back then, it was way easier to pull off because there’s no Internet.
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01:46:17
We could pull up a Hillary Clinton video from
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01:46:20
Yeah.
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01:46:20
More than a decade ago and go, look at her. She’s, pretty MAGA. You can put a fucking red hat on that lady, and she’d be standing on that stage right next to RFK Junior. You know?
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01:46:32
Yeah. And it’s just it’s because there’s such an information overload. Stuff like that will always be forgotten about too soon too for it to make a difference. Like,
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01:46:40
She could have been Trump’s ai vice president back then. Yeah. Like, no bullshit. She would have been right she would have been like queen mom of Ram land. There would be people with Hillary Clinton flags flying behind their pickup trucks with her with, like, two fists in the air with a MAGA hat on. Ai not bullshitting.
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01:46:57
But I remember even back then, like, well, you know, the one the one that’s what made me fall in love with comedy was Norm Macdonald and, like, his whole bit about the Clintons and stuff and getting on The View and riling all them up and stuff. But even, you know, back then, I remember they were trying to, ai, can’t I guess he got kicked off of Saturday Night Live because of that. Right?
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01:47:15
And all was it because of the Clintons or it might ai been because of, It
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01:47:18
was probably because he’s too funny.
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01:47:19
There was something else. Yeah. But there’s I don’t know. He was
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01:47:25
one of the funniest people of all time. And his weekend update, that thing that he would do was fucking fantastic. It’s fantastic. He was the best ever at it. He was so good. And the jokes were so he he would go so out there. Mhmm. Back when you could. You know?
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01:47:40
And if that’s what got him kicked off at Saturday Night Live, great. Makes him even more of a legend.
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01:47:45
Ai more. Yeah. I think that’s I think that’s what’s important about I don’t I’m not a fan of all the real crazy vulgar humor sometimes and stuff. Like, I I’m more of a norm type of comedy guy. Like, I like the more goofy stuff that’s not, like, constantly talking about penises and stuff.
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01:48:01
But, like, you know, or whatever. Like, whatever it is, sex and everything else. But I it’s really important that all that stuff does exist just because of the idea of I think it’s important that there’s this place that exists here in Austin that freedom of speech will always be in.
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01:48:15
Even if you know, it’s ai it’s such a critical thing, especially now more than ever. I think
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It’s critical for everybody even if you don’t agree with it, and that’s what’s so hard for people to recognize. When people don’t have a voice and someone has a voice and that voice is different than their opinion, they wanna shah they wanna shut it down. They wanna silence it.
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01:48:31
Yeah.
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And they wanna elevate their voice. Nature. Just pure vatsal it’s natural instincts that human beings have. And you gotta you gotta resist that because you gotta realize you don’t want that used on you. Right? Well, then don’t use it on other people.
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01:48:45
Yeah. Well, everyone’s guilty. Like, I went when I was at the ARC where I meh where we’d spoke at that thing in London, there was a a talk we went to, I think, the next night that was about freedom of speak. And I can’t remember the I can’t remember who all was speaking there. It was some people that I should probably meh, but I, yeah.
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01:49:02
But they, they were talking about it was it was it was a group that was defending people in Europe that were, like, being being arrested and stuff for things they reposted online and all, which is really important. You know? Like, they’re they’re arresting people for political things that they put online in Europe and, like, not even giving them very obscure reasoning as to why whatever this is, in some cases, they won’t even tell tyler what they’re arresting them for.
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01:49:26
And so, like, the cause of what these people are doing is very important, but the whole time, they’re just they’re referring to it as the woke mind virus, which is, yeah, sure funny, put in a bid or whatever. But, god, ai, no. What it is is it’s like the government using this one specific thing out of a list of things that they could as part of this moral high ground to arrest people for speaking out against.
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01:49:46
Not because it has nothing to do with anything on the left or the ai. The fact that the state would love for people to not be allowed to criticize anything because then that means they can’t criticize them.
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100%.
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01:49:55
But by them saying woke mind virus every five minutes while they’re talking about it, it just immediately polarizes half the people who they need to get on board in order to stop it, which is the left who it’s like I don’t know. There’s just, I don’t know. I think I might try to one one of these days, I might just try to give the old thing a run and sai, but I really think I could it would be it would probably gonna run for president, Anthony?
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01:50:18
It would probably end in, like, a nuclear war, but I think we could do I think it’d be pretty interesting, I think.
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01:50:23
You’re gonna run for office? If you will. Fuck that. No. I’ve no. I’m not on the same page.
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01:50:30
For No. Berman Supreme, call me up. No. I’m just kidding. I don’t think I would. I I might do, like, a governor run somewhere or something or a mayor. Maybe I’ll start with mayor. Maybe that’s a good way.
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01:50:40
Ai a terrible job, dude. Don’t do it. I would say don’t do it. But if you have to do it, do it. I mean, someone should do it that’s like you.
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01:50:47
I just remember my whole life, like, since I was a kid, people were like, man, what would happen if just we got some regular dude in there and, like, all this it’s just ai, I don’t know.
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01:50:55
You probably get immediately disillusioned. You’d realize the entanglements that exist, and I think it’s impossible to navigate. I think once you get in there, you’re like, holy shit. And when I talk to people that are in this administration now, that weren’t before, they’ve ai, like, all the paperwork and red tape and bureaucracy and all the different departments, all the people that are controlling these departments, and all the fucking resistance you have to any change, and all the people that don’t sana give you the information that you’re asking for, and it gets wild and exhausting.
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01:51:28
And you’re dealing with a machine that’s been operating pretty much unchecked for decades.
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01:51:34
Let’s check them out. Yeah. Get them the old check.
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01:51:36
Look what they did to Elon. He tried to check them out. They turned him into a Nazi.
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01:51:40
Yeah.
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I mean, it’s like Well,
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01:51:42
do you think was there I’m not well read on any of this. This is ai this is actually something I wanted to ask you about at one point or another anyway, was your take on, like, the Elon Ram situation. But, you know, I, Apparently, they’re making up. Do you think things are cool now?
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01:51:55
They supposedly, they’re all on conversation on the phone.
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01:51:58
The argument but the argument behind it was that they felt like Trump wasn’t letting Elon see, I don’t I don’t know what to think of. I really don’t know what to think of any of that situation or Elon in general. And I just say I just it really fascinated me that it seemed like they were both using Doge for different reasons maybe, or they had different motivations behind it.
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01:52:18
But what if what if it was ai a genuine what if there was genuine audits done on everything? And, like, what if all that stuff did get uncovered? And what if somebody wasn’t scared to just release all that stuff and the consequences of it? Like, people do deserve the truth.
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01:52:31
Like
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01:52:32
Well, they’ve released some of it. Right? So we know a lot about USAID now. We know what that was. We know what crazy programs are in place. We know through Mike Benz’s work, where the way he describes USAID as doing things that are too dirty for the CIA.
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01:52:46
Mhmm. You know,
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like, he’s describes it being used as for regime change and but under the name aid, it seems like it’s just aid. Oh, we’re helping people. Yeah. But Agency for International Development is what it really stands for. So there’s that. That’s been dismantled. The thing is they’re they’re not spending less money. They’re spending more money.
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01:53:03
There’s been, like, a trillion dollars on the the on the Pentagon. It’s the whole thing is kinda nuts because nobody wants to stop spending money. Nobody wants to lose their job, and they’re all in a position where they have influence. And there’s thousands of different points of influence.
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01:53:18
And if you’re the president or the vice president or, you know, any of these fucking people, it’s a very difficult road. The one of the things that I felt, like, was the most important was Bobby Kennedy. Because Bobby Kennedy getting in there, he was determined to find out what is the root cause of America’s massive health crisis that we’re all facing.
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01:53:38
Like, why are we having this? Why do we have, different toxins that are in our foods that are banned in Europe? Why are we allowing the use of these different things that we know are terrible for the body? You know, why is there not greater scrutiny on these pharmaceutical drug corporations?
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01:53:54
Why are they not you know, why are they able to lie and get away with it and prescribe things for people that don’t need them and and not be responsible for the health consequence of these things and that this needs to be cleaned up. And so that’s what he’s doing right now. I’m very happy, and I hope that he can really make meaningful changes because it seems like he is.
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01:54:13
He follow he fired the 17 people that were the head of, the vaccine schedule, and he’s hired a bunch of new people. They’re all very ai, and one of them being Robert Malone. Robert Malone, the guy that everybody said was a kook that I got in trouble for initially for having on my podcast when they were trying to, you know, like, when fucking Neil Young was trying to get me removed from Spotify.
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01:54:35
This is over Robert Malone. Robert Saloni, who owns nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. Certifiable genius, like unquestionably. They were calling him a kook. This guy’s a kook. A guy who took the vaccine and had a horrible reaction, they were calling him a kook.
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01:54:51
So that guy being a part of this administration, being a part of the, you know, make America healthy again movement, very important. All that stuff is very important for everybody, not Republicans, not Democrats. If there’s any area we where we should be bipartisan on, it’s vatsal.
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01:55:07
And realizing that corporations have taken advantage of loopholes and of of a bunch of different creepy laws that allowed them to poison you. And you’re getting poisoned, and you’re addicted to this poison. Mhmm. And there’s a way out of this.
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01:55:22
Well, he’s he’s kinda where I got the inspiration for the call idea ram. You know, he he, no. Well, he he and I actually met. He came out to my he came out to the property where we filmed Richmond and all, and I met him. This was before he got linked up with Trump. He was still run this is during all that, and he was he was still running for himself.
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01:55:39
But we had a long conversation about this concept for a healing center, which is, like, this thing that he’s been ai, like as a part of all this, which is, like, which is kind of the the idea of people going out into nature and, like, learning how to grow food and learning how to, like because in in this in this never ending abyss of chaos where everything’s changing so fast and nothing you know, nature is nature has been affected by that through, like, some you know, through chemicals and technology and other things.
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01:56:08
But for the most part, it’s all the systems in nature, all the organization there, and the all that stuff is sort of ai the last thing that’s untouched by meh. You know, when you go out on two or 300 acres and you just sit there and you’re watching the water go by, it’s like it it you just sort of you take everything that we’ve talked about, like, all this these are all very complex, like, just crazy century, thousands of year long things that he that mankind have done.
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01:56:34
But meanwhile, nature just sort of exists and does its thing and and it’s ai it’s it’s sort of a way to compartmentalize all this monstrosity into one little thing and realize that there is other there is a reality outside of the reality that, like, modern society has constructed us to exist in twenty four seven.
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01:56:50
That’s
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01:56:51
100%. 100%.
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01:56:52
Like, gosh, dude. That’s the only thing that saves me is, ai, especially being a little bit probably a little bit too introverted for this job position. You know, going out on tour even for a weekend or two, we’re like, dude, by the time Sunday comes and we get through this and these two mothership shows, we have a we got West Virginia next weekend, but I’ll spend the this whole week I probably won’t talk to anybody except for, like, immediate family.
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01:57:13
You know? I’ll just have my I’ll just go sit out in the woods with the dogs and just watch the birds chirp and all that.
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01:57:18
But it’s amazing.
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01:57:19
There’s something really important about that that I wanna Yeah. Ai wanna I wanna understand, like, you take if you can take two or 300 acres, like, what can you plant on it that brings in the the the types of nature that benefit human beings the most? Like, I wanna conduct studies on, like, everything from birds to plants to wildlife to different ai like, how do you put a human being who is so screwed up in the most optimal condition to heal and to fix?
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01:57:45
Like, because it’s obviously not the k like, you’re not gonna go to a mental institution or and I’m not even suggesting for people who should be in a mental institution. I just mean, like, you know, people who like, a guy I know who you meh mentioned mushrooms and stuff, but there’s a guy Ai know, like, that’s in the marines who’s dealing with PTSD.
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01:58:00
Like, how do you get him into a spot where he can just go out and roll you know, like, you can’t it’s hard to it’s hard to fix that part of your brain living in a city or living in a suburb and not having that ai, so that’s, you know, sai, yeah, it’s just ai this crazy dream I have where, like, it’s sort of a it’s a way to rebel against all of this without rebelling.
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01:58:19
It’s just creating a better way to do it. But imagine if he’s ai, this is like the pilot program for this thing where it’s this sort of outdoor amphitheater and it’s, like, very immersive and in nature and you can and you can, like, re re unlock these parts of your brain you talked about that are sort of very primitive into us.
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01:58:34
And then and then just emulate it over a period of ai. Like, so I’m doing these shows where they’re they’re they’re nonprofit, and the idea is just to go into an area that hasn’t had music that’s in an a or b ticketing arya, do a show there, build them a blueprint, whether it’s on a main street or in a farm field or whatever, but just somewhere where Live Nation and Ticketmaster can’t touch it, build them a blueprint with, like, ingress, egress, promotions, how to sell the show, where to put the stage, how to set everything up, here’s all the vendors they use, and then give them this blueprint where they can do it over and over and over again and just build, like, these sort of sanctuaries that exist all over the country that can’t be, like, molested and preyed upon by all those big companies and all their crap.
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01:59:08
And I think inherently ai doing that through, like, music and public speaking and other things, those spaces will almost serve as, like like, the way that communities thrive again and the way people reconnect. And I I joke and say that, like, I’d everyone every human being likes music and food and socializing at least a little bit.
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01:59:28
And if you don’t, you’re probably a robot, and we don’t I don’t want you there anyway ai of a thing, you know. But, like so that’s that’s in in a nutshell. But that all was inspired by Bobby’s sort of idea for this healing center that he talked about. I think it’s a place over in Italy that he used as a reference of, he had a relative go to and, like, they were able to work with, like, leather and do all the stuff on a vineyard, I think.
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01:59:47
And it, like, it had a there’s a lot of, you know, we know very little about the human mind. That’s why psychedelics are still illegal. And so and there’s so much misunderstanding and misconception and just confusion even there because think of I mean, like, our brains are just so infinitely complex even. You know?
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Yeah.
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So Nature’s definitely a part of your health. Without nature, I don’t think you really get totally healthy.
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We’re a part of nature, you know. Like, we’re a we’re a natural thing existing in a world that we’ve created that isn’t natural. And so, like, this is all, you know, like, this is all everything that we’ve talked about is just sort of man made constructed bullshit that is now that is now reality to us, but they’re but it’s just part of a bigger thing too that is we sort of get isolated inside of it, especially when we’re on our phone all the time.
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02:00:29
It’s like.
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Yeah. Especially. I’ve laid off social media, and it’s it’s amazing. It’s ai it lifts this weight off your brain.
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02:00:37
How do you how do you manage social this is one thing Ai really have a hard time with, and it makes I feel bad because I end up upsetting people or whatever. But, like, how do you a lot of people want your ai, and they wanna send you text messages, and they wanna bother you with stuff, and they wanna and it’s not even they wanna bother you.
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02:00:54
They really meh but, like, how do you manage that? Do you just have a small social circle? Are you just really social? Or, like, how do you find there’s people where I just won’t text them back for, like, months. And then they then they think I hate them.
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02:01:04
And it’s not that I hate them. It’s just, like, I can’t just sit and text. I just can’t send hundreds of texts every day to like, I have to like, how do you balance all that? Or how do you keep
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02:01:12
keep changing your phone number. But you also gotta get comfortable with not texting people back because you can’t text everybody back. Yeah. Ai, look at my phone. Wanna see something? I’ll show you this. Ai and see how many unread text sai have in upper left hand corner. What does it say?
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02:01:33
623.
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Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. How how am I gonna read those?
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02:01:38
I know.
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02:01:40
Well, I’ve ai.
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I think it goes back to my when I was at work before and I had to keep up with the phone for work, and I had you know, it’s ai it’s just instilled in me that like, it just drives me. So I don’t know. That’s ai, yeah, I’ve I’ve bought that flip phone that I carry, and there’s just times It’s a
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02:01:55
It’s a good move. You you get your brain back.
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02:01:58
It’s also tough though because there’s people I do wanna stay in contact with, like, you know, like Yeah.
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But you can always reach out to them. Yeah. It’s ai, you know, we have this idea of immediate interaction with people that it’s necessary. It’s important. And sometimes it is important, like, maybe there’s something going on. Maybe your wife is pregnant. Like, who knows? Right?
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02:02:15
You need immediate contact, but most of the time you don’t. The vast majority of the time you don’t.
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02:02:20
We lived a long time without it.
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02:02:22
Yeah. I mean, you don’t wanna not be there for somebody who needs you in an emergency, but other than that Yeah. It’s good to be free. You just it’s better for your brain. I don’t I you know, like I was saying, I don’t think we’re supposed to be getting the bad news from 8,000,000,000 people.
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02:02:37
It’s just too nuts. It’s It’s a little we’re just too
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02:02:39
I don’t think we’re even supposed to socialize with that many I mean, we we thrive in smaller I mean, that’s why all these yeah. Ai, we we definitely thrive in smaller
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02:02:49
Yeah. Keep a tight tribe. Yeah. Yeah. Keep a tight tribe. Keep a tight tribe of people that are cool and make it so it’s beneficial to everybody, so there’s no resentment.
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02:02:58
Mhmm. You
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02:02:59
know, that’s one of the things that happens in when a guy gets really famous ai you’re getting, is that some you can have the wrong people around you, you know, maybe you, like, look past some of the resentful behavior that they showed when you weren’t successful, and then it manifests vatsal. When you’re successful, they look you could tell, like, someone around you actually wants you to fuck up. And that’s a tear I’ve seen that happen with friends.
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02:03:22
It’s a terrible place to be.
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02:03:24
There just has to be some ai of way that I don’t have to be famous, though. Ai, there’s a way where this is yeah. But there’s a way where this is, like, I’m just like, I don’t know. It’s gotten a lot better, but,
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02:03:35
You’re just gonna have to deal with it. Like I said, this is the the path that you’ve been given in this world.
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02:03:40
I just mean that I just mean that, like, I should like, I just don’t want fan I just don’t want people to perceive like, I’m just some dude that’s written a song and we’re but it this is ai a collect like I said, this is a collective thing. Like, the fact just if you look at the if you look at the rate of people who buy my songs on iTunes versus most label artists, it’s, like, comically disproportionate.
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02:03:59
Like, people people buy my songs out of support and stuff. And so what I’m saying is that this is ai a thing like, this isn’t just Ai sitting up here and y’all are all down there. Like, this is in my mind, this is just a thing where we’re all equal, and it just happens to be this is the music this is the music catalog that we’re giving people a middle finger with, but I don’t I wouldn’t for a second wanna ever think that, like, that I’m above somebody else on some social hierarchy because of it or something, I guess.
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02:04:26
I don’t wanna feel like, I That’s not necessary. This is just something where, like, let I just I’m just so excited to see where this can go in the sense of, like like, ai I said, it’s just exciting that, like like, some just full blown idiot like me with a couple of his buddies can figure out how to do this and and rally enough support up behind it.
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02:04:42
I’m just like, what could really happen if we like, what could really happen if things were ai Yeah. If I actually knew what I was doing or if, like, enough of us got together, like, we could really just flip we could just flip everything upside down pretty quick and it’d be hilarious.
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02:04:55
You don’t have to become a different thing just because you’re famous. That’s a myth. You know, you don’t have to become better than people. You don’t have to think you’re better than people just because you’re famous. You can maintain who you are. It’s totally doable.
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02:05:07
Totally. Yeah.
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02:05:08
Ai do it. I’m just me. I’m the same person.
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02:05:11
You are. Yeah.
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02:05:12
I’ve been doing it the sai and that’s one of the reasons why I do the podcast the exact same way. I do it the same way. I don’t think, oh, this is gonna be a big one.
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02:05:19
Everybody asks that’s the first thing a lot of people ask is, how was Joe Rogan? And I was like, he’s Joe Rogan. Like, there is no
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02:05:26
Sai much easier that way. Just be you all day.
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02:05:29
Yeah. Like, if you’ve watched him on the podcast, you’ve seen him in real life. He’s, you know, it’s like You’ve seen me
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02:05:33
at my worst, you’ve seen me at my best. That’s it.
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02:05:36
But
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02:05:36
You know, I’m a human being just like anybody else. This is why why I encourage everybody who wants to do something like this to go do it. Anybody can do this. Exactly. Ai. You might not do it this well immediately because you’re gonna learn how to do it, but it’s like everything.
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02:05:50
You can learn how to do it. Like, you you can learn how to sing, you can learn how to do stand up, you can learn how to play guitar, you can learn how to draw, you can learn oh, I can never do that. You can. Some people can do it better than you. Some people are naturally talented in different areas, you know, especially when it comes to athletics.
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02:06:07
But you can do it. You can do it. You can get better. Every and getting better at something and doing something is beneficial to the whole of your ai. Because if you can apply that same those same principles to everything, you can get better at everything.
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02:06:22
Mhmm. And
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02:06:22
you get better at being a person.
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02:06:23
Sana inspire other people, like yeah. Like, the more the more good that you can do and the more you can put out, the more it inspires others to do too.
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02:06:31
Yeah. The more work you put out too. The more songs you put out, like Scornful Woman. The more stuff that, like, really resonates with people. It affects people, man. It’s ai you it’s that wings of the butterfly, man. You know, you’re like you really you’re like spreading it out and, you know, and then it’ll inspire more people to write songs. It’ll inspire more people to do things.
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02:06:49
It’ll ai it’ll inspire people to write books. It’s just that’s what we do. We inspire people. People inspire people. And people ai doing something that we know is difficult and they get through it and they create something, like, wow.
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02:07:02
And you go to see, you know, fucking you two with the sphere, like, wow.
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02:07:06
Yeah. You
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02:07:06
know, that’s what it’s all about, man. You know, that’s that’s the beautiful thing that is this kind of artistic connection that you have with the community, with the people that that enjoy your work. As long as you respect that and as long as you understand what it is, you’ll be great. You’re just gonna have to deal with being famous, bitch.
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02:07:26
You know, I I have to I have to, you know, like, I do I do think you’re actually right. I probably was a little misspoken or now that you say what you said about AI being able to replace music and stuff, I do agree that, like, there is a part of it that AI will never they’ll never understand the human experience enough to be able to write music about it that’s that captivates people in a way that music can that’s been written by people.
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02:07:50
I do agree with that. Your song. Make it sound better and cooler and catchier, but I do think, like, I do think the people that are really writing it are the ones that, and the ones that really ai. I mean, like, just to talk about this the songwriting process with Scornful. You know?
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02:08:05
We were I had been we had just gotten done with the touring over the summer for the most part in 2024. And, well, obviously, things are what they are, but there’s just been there was just a, like, multiple different negative things happening at once. And I kinda got in this I got in a spot where I Sai did my thing where I sort of spiraled and just was isolating myself.
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02:08:26
And so I spent a month and a half or two months in that house pretty much. I didn’t do I didn’t do Thanksgiving or Christmas last year. I just just really didn’t hardly talk to anybody or anything. And so I was, like, at a, you know, I was in a I was in a it was in a position where it was, like, probably time to write a song like ai.
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02:08:45
And, and there’s a few things I do wanna clarify too talking about this. But sai, anyway, so me, Draven from Radio WB, and Joey are all sitting in the kitchen of this house where we recorded the song, and it’s probably in the fall sometime. And Joey it’s three in the morning. Right?
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02:09:00
And, we, like, we were all just, like, ai, and Ai can think about Joey talking about really wanting to write a song. And so him and Draven were asking me about my songwriting process and what I ai. And so, like, I just went and got the guitar ai I said we were sitting there around the table ai I can remember it was me and Joey sitting here and Draven leaning up against the counter and we were just talking about it.
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02:09:20
And I said, well, I said, if you’re gonna write a song, I was like, the first thing you gotta do is figure out what you’re gonna write ai, and it’s gotta be something that you feel, not something that you can just articulate about. It’s gotta be something that’s, like, in there that needs to come out, you know.
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02:09:31
And so we sat there for, like, ten seconds, and scornful woman was the word that was used, you know. And it was ai it was it was specific relationships, but also it was a collection of all, like, the experiences that we had all had, like, I think in horrible we’d all had horrible relationships too in the past.
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02:09:47
Of course, we all have, you know. Like, every dude on Earth has been has been through what that song talks about in one way or another.
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02:09:53
Ai we play it? Let’s let’s queue it up. Yeah. Let’s queue it up. Jamie, queue it up.
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02:09:57
But within two or three minutes, the whole song was written. It was just like ai just it just came out, you know. That’s And,
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02:10:03
AI is not gonna do that.
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02:10:05
There’s ai
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there’s there’s there’s there’s things that resonate in that song that AI is never gonna be able to understand.
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02:10:11
Yeah.
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Yeah. And that’s the thing. That’s the thing that’s gonna separate people from the machine in live performance. That this ai of stuff. This kind of stuff right right here. Mercer County, West Virginia. Okay.
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02:10:37
Well, she got a side tour Ai wanna run from. She’ll turn a warm afternoon into a cold, cold one.
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02:10:51
Well, he
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02:10:52
grabbed the apple, and Adam took a bite. And now all these years later, and the mast tail ain’t right with a shah of a woman. Ai used to sleep so good didn’t have a ai. There, I was busy dreaming, believing he’s always gonna be right there. And now the middle of the day is like the middle of the night.
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02:11:35
And the card says fifty fifty, but the math on the same rise with a storm for women. Ai she can have all the money, and they can keep all the fame. I go back to being broke as a joke if I could just get a break from the pain. It’s in the description of the video, but there’s a the biggest shout out of all this is to the there’s a firefighter that we he let us use this footage too.
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02:13:27
I think it’s out of Brazil. But the name of the ai is in the description. But for the the GoPro footage, it was really cool he let us use that.
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02:13:34
Oh, so that’s a real ai?
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02:13:35
Yeah. That’s a real firefighting Wow. GoPro video that we found, and we reached out to the guy and asked him if we could use it. That’s cool. But I just wanted to give him a shout out on here. There we go.
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02:13:45
Joseph, ai firefighter ai third company, Bum Los Cuendos in Chile.
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02:13:51
Chile. Sorry. Yeah. That’s awesome. I’ve been my mind’s been in ai of a blur lately, so I should have remembered that. Right? But That’s alright. Yeah.
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02:13:58
We got it. That’s awesome. Yeah. Fucking song, dude. Whoo. That song’s that song’s a firecracker.
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02:14:05
I can’t wait for you to hear some of the like, let me turn Ai I’ll turn this on. I’ll play, like, just like I’ll leak, like, twenty seconds on one of the other one. Like, ai
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02:14:14
is it gonna come out?
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02:14:15
I don’t know when the next ones will, I don’t even wanna say a day because I don’t know. I’m such a procrast I wanna say, like, within a month or so. Like What
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02:14:24
what are you doing with it? You’re changing anything on it, or are you just not releasing it yet?
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02:14:29
Just not real I’ve just got I just need to get my life together a little bit.
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02:14:32
Well, just release it right now.
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02:14:34
Just release it right now.
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02:14:35
Put it out on the show. Send it to Jamie.
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02:14:39
I’ll play, like, thirty seconds to I don’t even have, like, a I don’t even have, like, a full file of anything on here. I’ve just got stuff that I’ve recorded off my phone. But just to give you an idea of, like, some of the other stuff I’m working on, like, this one let me sai. Which one of these.
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02:14:54
They’re all just saying, like, new recording 04:32, so I gotta remember which like, probably this one’s probably one. I don’t know if this will be right or not, but this will give you an idea of something.
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02:15:19
Ai just
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02:15:39
got a bunch of little clips like that of where we were practicing the guitar parts. But, anyway, I got a few more that are, like, pretty heavy. I don’t know what they are. I don’t know. People will figure it out. There’s something. I don’t I don’t even I don’t like to even try to describe any of that stuff because I don’t know what it is.
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02:15:54
But So
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02:15:54
are you gonna release it all as a full album, or arya you gonna just do it, like, a song at a time?
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02:16:00
Probably just song at a time right now just because it’s simpler that way. Yeah. And then I’ll just I don’t know what I’m gonna I don’t know what the long term plan is. I wanna get I’ll get to the end of this tour this year in October and, You
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02:16:13
don’t need a long term plan. Yeah. Just keep doing what you like doing. Yeah. Yeah. I will. Yeah. This all long term plan shah, That’s people with vision boards. You don’t need Yeah. You’re right. Yeah.
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02:16:22
No. You’re right. I have been take I’ve just tried to take it. I do have to think long term though because I wanna make the most of this just for I don’t know, man. The only thing I sana, like, I just wanna look back when I’m old and just think, like, just think, like, fuck, yeah. We did it.
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02:16:37
Like, we did this thing.
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02:16:38
Just keep doing what you’re doing. You will do that. 100%.
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02:16:41
Yeah. But Ai mean bigger. I just wanna see, like, I just wanna see the I just wanna I don’t know. I just wanna watch the machine crumble. You know? Like, I just I have this, like, thing inside of me that It’s gonna
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02:16:52
probably crumble on its own. It’ll still exist in some form, but, you know, as long as you can thrive without it, it doesn’t matter. It really doesn’t matter. And more people ai that there’s a way to do it that’s authentic. There’s always gonna be people that are drawn to that.
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02:17:10
And it’ll be more and more people as things get more and more disconnected and feel less and less human.
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02:17:15
Yeah. There’s just more and more driven. There’s been so many big people go up against it and not be able to quite figure it out. Like, even Pearl Jam back in the nineties, you know, trying to go up against, I think, Live Nation it was or Ticketmaster. And Ai don’t know, man.
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02:17:28
I just wanna see that’s ai the that would be my biggest echo that would be the biggest thing that I would feel some sense of accomplishment about a long time is, like, just how do you get all these people together who have been disenfranchised by the music industry and just rally them together in a way that, like, it’s not to take anyone down or to do anything bad at all towards anybody, but it’s just to, like, imagine what society would be with real music again without a bunch of label propped up shit and every stuck in everybody’s head.
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02:17:54
Like, what if people really listen to what they loved and, like, and, like, it was real. It was ai the organic side of things is what drove music through the roof. Like, imagine what that would imagine what because think about what music can do to you, like, not even in the moment, but just what it means to you over time.
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02:18:09
Like, going back and I go back all the time, like, and I listen to, like, a nineteen ninety nine live, like a like a live stained session or something from back then and just or ai old Hank Williams the third songs or, like, I don’t know, stuff I listened to a lot as a kid.
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02:18:26
And, like, man, it’ll just unlock all these memories you think about. Like, all of a bryden, you’re, like, back in a place that you never even remembered you ever were. It’s just it’s such a powerful thing on us. You know?
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02:18:35
Excuse me.
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02:18:36
So I’m sorry. I had to sneeze. Yeah. But that’s Yeah. It’s powerful, man.
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02:18:40
It’s powerful to do what you’re doing. What you’re doing is that. You’re doing that. Yeah.
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02:18:45
Ai, I’m not doing nothing here.
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02:18:46
That group. Shut the fuck up. You are. You are. You’re in that groove. You know? Just keep doing what you’re doing. It’s it’s awesome. And it’s ai, and more people are gonna do it. And I love that you wanna help more people do it. That’s great. Because the I’m guarantee you, there are these Charlie Crocketts out there.
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02:19:00
There’s these guys out there that people haven’t heard of before, and then you see them playing on street corner one day, and you’re like, where are you from? Like, how are you doing this? This is crazy.
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02:19:09
Yeah.
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02:19:10
You know, there’s people like that out there in the world. I remember we went what was that place that we went to and saw Ellis Bullard? The white what is it called? White Horse. White Horse? Yeah. Yeah. And we’re like, ai at this fucking guy.
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02:19:20
Here in town.
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02:19:20
Right? Yeah. Nobody there.
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02:19:22
We went there last time we were here. We’re planning on going back. We was actually thinking about trying to swing by there this evening and see
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02:19:27
a little spot.
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02:19:28
Shah was so much fun last time. Great
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02:19:29
little spot. So there’s people like that out there, you know. They just have to get an audience. Yeah. You know. Someone has to, you know, give them a little boost, reach back, grab their hand, help them up.
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02:19:40
Yeah.
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02:19:41
That’s one of the best things about the comedy community right now. So we all do that for each other. So it’s ai there’s a real pathway. So there’s a lot of people that ram moving to Austin from all across the country, you know, that like, hey. I think if I get there, that’s a place where you could really launch from.
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02:19:55
What’s powerful about your platforms here, like ai and just and all the other people, like you said, that are in that network is that you this is all stuff that you’ve built, that you have control over. Like, these are that’s what’s cool about it is it’s ai the sort of new it’s a whole new business that you’ve kinda got here.
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02:20:12
Like, in the comedy world, it’s not it’s not owned by anybody or anything. It’s ai it’s wild and free and chaotic, and it could go anywhere. And that’s what’s that’s what’s exciting to meh. It’s like, dude, like I said, I just don’t know. I just don’t know what who knows what’ll even come of what you got going on here in, in Austin, but this has has shaped a lot.
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02:20:33
Like, in a in a world where everything is so is so predicted, like, there’s less and less people able to sit around in a boardroom in a skyscraper somewhere and decide what the next big thing is gonna be. It’s like it’s more it’s I don’t know. It’s just it’s exciting to be a part of that.
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02:20:48
Despite all the there’s so many ways that you can you can look negatively about everything going on, but there is this sort of transfer of power that I just hope can happen in the we only have a very short window of time for it to happen in the you know, pretty soon pretty soon we’ll all have a Neuralink, and we’ll be we’ll be talking to each other and and beep boop boop boop boop.
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02:21:08
You know? But we’ve got a little bit of time maybe before that.
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02:21:10
Yeah. Maybe. I think we’re the last real people.
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02:21:13
We’re the last people that knows what it was like before to understand what’s what, like, what real life really is. And it’s so hard to even say what that what that even means. But I just mean that, like, even already there’s people on YouTube that that comment on a video that’s Ai. Everyone in its AI, the whole narrative isn’t.
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02:21:32
It’ll have, like, a mill and, like, probably half the people commenting on it are bots too, but I just mean that it’s not even ai we’re gonna be deceived that way. I think at some point, it’ll almost somehow somehow, it’ll come to a point where we won’t really understand what is real life or what is digitally, artificially created.
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02:21:48
And it won’t even it’s not that we won’t even be able to tell the difference, but we won’t even care to tell the difference. The the fake world will feel more real than the real world in a short period of ai. Somehow, like, it’ll it will it’ll influence our our our sensory like, it’ll it’ll it’ll influence that more than real life will.
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02:22:08
Like, it’ll become just ai everything will just feels I mean, it already feels that way. That’s why we’re so drawn in all. But as it all becomes more realistic and more creative and more tailored to to draw us in, it will be, just mass deception. This is not
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02:22:22
It might have already happened. This is what’s really terrifying is the simulation theory. The idea that, oh, I would be able to know if it was a simulation. Would you? I don’t know. You know, Elon thinks it’s a simulation. He thinks the chances of it not being a simulation are in the billions.
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02:22:37
He thinks that this whole thing is probably our consciousness interacting with a program, which is very bizarre to think. But if you keep going with what we’re doing right now, that is inevitable. If you look at the way technology is recreating things with AI and making things look completely realistic, and then you you extrapolate, you look into the future, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty years.
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02:23:05
Yeah. They’re gonna be able to give you an experience that’s you’re not gonna know. So how do you know if that’s already happened? And maybe that’s how the world actually works. Maybe this idea of the material world is an illusion and that everything is your consciousness interacting.
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02:23:20
Well, we’re only able to perceive reality through a limited through limited means. I mean Right. Sight, sound, smell, etcetera, like, there’s there could be components of reality here that we’re not able to see. I mean and that’s where, like, I definitely lean into recognizing that there is this whole, like I do believe there is this whole spiritual element at play too, and I see yeah.
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02:23:41
It’s just it’s hard to it’s just no there’s no way to tyler, but this it’s kinda ai it’s funny, though, because the same mentality that you could use to think about the world being a simulation, you could also think about it being I mean, it’s so organized and so perfect that, yeah, I agree that it’s operating on some program.
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02:23:56
I just think that that that program is being mandated and created by by what is represented in my mind as God or, you know, Jesus Christ. Other people may just be considered like a like a software or a program, but it is all the same thing. Obviously, there is some like, life is a thing that we don’t quite understand that that finds itself in the in the midst of so many different parts of reality.
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02:24:16
Like, life like, just in the soil, there’s so many different millions of bacteria that just make it possible for stuff to even be able to grow. And all those things are arguably intelligent and have these organized systems, and then you see the way birds fly in the sky and just the way that like, the way that even we have these sort of inherent parts programmed into us.
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02:24:34
It’s just it’s there’s really no way to tell. But what’s so funny is that in just a short period of time, we’ll all be forgotten about anyway, and we’ll never really know. And maybe even this even this technology that has existed has existed before and will go away again. It’s just no way to really tell.
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02:24:48
I think at the end of the day, like, to your point, I think humanity and the truth within it is what is all that really exists, and everything else just sort of swirls about. And and we’re always wanting to expand upon what already exists. You know, we’re not creatures that like repetition or we like to just always figure out what the next big thing is even if it is our demise. You know?
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02:25:09
It’s weird. We’re sort of
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02:25:10
Even if it is our demise.
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02:25:11
Sort of chasing to build these to build our replacement somehow. I don’t know.
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02:25:15
Oh, that’s a fact. Yeah. We’re definitely doing that. No question at all. We’ve already replaced our memory with your contact list. I mean, how many numbers I know, like, three people’s phone numbers. I used to know everyone’s phone number. I used to be able to rattle off all my friends’ phone numbers. I used to be able to call them from a payphone.
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02:25:31
That was how I got a hold of people back in the day. Now I don’t remember anything. I remember my high school phone number that I had when I was a kid. I don’t remember my best friend’s phone number. I
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02:25:41
can remember my best friend’s phone number from high school. He still has it. Ai still text him now and then. Yeah. But I think That’s great.
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02:25:48
But it’s crazy that you Your contact list has replaced your memory.
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02:25:51
It has. Yeah.
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02:25:52
Yeah. And then, you know, anytime you have a question, you just press that button on your phone. Hey, you know, what year was this, you know? What year was Gettysburg? What year, you know? And you can find anything instantaneously. And that’s good, But it’s also weird because now you’re dependent upon that thing, and you’re connected to that thing.
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02:26:12
That thing is just gonna get more and more part of your life. Whereas you said before, you can’t even leave your house without your phone. You feel weird.
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02:26:17
Yeah. But the all those resources right now are used because there there is no, like, real protocol or way for us to be necessarily productive with it. Like ai, in a broader spectrum that a lot of people just use all those tools and resources as just endless entertainment and mind numbing distraction, but really all that stuff is makes us super powerful if we’re able to harness it correctly.
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02:26:39
Like I said, like like, just imagine the imagine that the information and the data and the resources that we have access to that people ai kings and dictators and emperors and the the most powerful people in the world could have never dreamed. Like, we have it just right here for free on our phone.
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02:26:52
Like
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02:26:53
Ai, I think we don’t realize how informed we are in comparison to people in the past. People in the past were extremely naive about the way things work. Just that is just been something that we have just accepted as being normal in the last twenty years. But it’s not normal.
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02:27:08
It’s not normal to know this much about congressional insider trading. You know, like, how do we all know about that now? And how how do we all know that it’s been going on forever? Nobody did anything about it. You know, there’s a lot of things that we know now that make the people, the powers that be very creeped out, you know, including things like podcasts.
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02:27:27
They don’t like it at all. That there’s no one, that no corporate entity pulling the strings behind the scenes. It’s just people. And that some person ai a Theo Vaughn or whoever can have whoever they want on ai they sana.
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02:27:41
And say whatever they want. Yeah.
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02:27:43
That person might say some wild shit that has the Internet scrambling. Is this true? Then they have to Google it. They don’t like that at all. They don’t like that this affects elections that people ai, like, hey, you’re being lied to. Hey, the the FBI contacted Facebook. It was telling them to remove factual information because it might affect the election. Ai, this is crazy.
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02:28:03
Like, the stuff that we know now vatsal lot of people know now was the stuff of conspiracy fantasy when I was 20 years old.
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02:28:14
But what does it really what does it mean to us though? Because, yeah, we know all that about Facebook, but we all still use Facebook. Like ai, it’s, I think that now our our ability to communicate has become so contingent upon these platforms that we know they’re no good for us.
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02:28:32
We know they harvest our data and they all the terrible things that are associated with them, but we still it was ai, where else where else but Facebook Marketplace can you find all these sweet you know what I mean? That’s like
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02:28:43
You don’t have to get totally influenced by it, though. The more you’re aware they’re influencing you, the less effect it has on you. You know? And the more you’re aware of the magic trick, you’re like, oh, that rabbit’s up his sleeve.
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02:28:52
There’s just a connectivity that we can’t find elsewhere, so there’s this void that we have to like, we have to use it to fill the void, I guess, is what I mean.
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02:28:58
Like, there
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02:28:59
Ai
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02:28:59
have to.
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02:29:00
Maybe through ai, that’s why Sai really wanna try doing, I’ve had two or three people really pushing me heavy to try to do jiu jitsu, but that’s something where, like, it’s the it’s ai the community and the relationships you get out of it that’s just important maybe than the practice of it itself. Ai, the I don’t know.
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02:29:14
That’s the way it’s been like, maybe in those sort of circles, you do get that, but you just don’t get it in a you know, there’s not a lot of broad ways to get it now. But
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02:29:21
Jiu jitsu is definitely a way to do it. It’s also a way where you get out all of your aggression in a very healthy way, in a cooperative way. You’re doing it with other people that are your friends. And the beautiful thing about jiu jitsu sparring as opposed to, like, when I was kickboxing, like, you kinda resented your sparring partners. They’re fucking you up, you know.
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02:29:39
They’re they’re rocking you. Whereas in Jiu Jitsu, even if someone taps you a lot, you you’re still their friend.
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02:29:46
Mhmm.
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02:29:46
You know, you ai, like, oh, you got and they’ll tell you, you can’t you can’t do that with the right arm. The right arm has to stay ai to your chest because ai, once it’s exposed, what I’m trying to do is get you to do that so I can go to the other side. Ai, oh, okay. Let’s try it again. I’ll show I’ll show a guy.
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02:30:00
And when you do that with people, you’re you’re helping your friend beat you next ai, but that’s the way to get better. Yeah. Like, you know, Eddie Bravo taught me that a long time ago. He goes, the more you teach people to catch you in the stuff that you do, the more people you’ll you’ll be able to get it in people that even know it’s coming.
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02:30:17
You’ll be able it’ll sharpen that technique up even more. If you can get people that know what you’re doing, you tell them what you’re doing, you can still do it. Ai, Hicks and Grace used to tell people, I’m gonna get you in an armbar in your right arm. You’re like, the fuck you arya?
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02:30:28
And he would still get it. But he was so much better than everybody that he would do that on purpose. And there’s a beautiful thing about learning something that’s very difficult that prepares you for life. Also, the other beautiful thing about jiu jitsu in terms of your mental health is that it’s so difficult to do that it makes regular life easy, And regular conflict seems to be silly.
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02:30:53
Like, sometimes people get, like, super nervous if two people are just yelling at each other and you think a fight ai break up. If you’re, like, so used to strangling people, that’s, like, totally normal. Like, oh, you guys gotta fight.
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02:31:02
Like, you see that in this Yeah. You see that in some of the videos that go around where somebody will get, like, broken into, like, they’re and it it’s like the security footage. Like, I’m trying to think there was one that went around recently. Like, some guy was trying to break into a UFC fighter’s truck, and he went out there and just, like, kicked his ass out. Justin Gaethje.
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02:31:17
Ai think that was a yeah.
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02:31:18
He tried to carjack Justin Gaethje, and he beat the fuck out of him. Yeah. The guy ai that with Jon Jones. Jon Jones ran out with a shotgun and a fucking Belgian Saloni. Like, that’s the wrong dude to break into his house. He’s ready. And Shah Strickland, that was another one. Shah Ralph.
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02:31:32
That’s who I was thinking of was the pistol. Ai. I was thinking of that one. I ai.
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02:31:36
Yeah. There’s there’s a lot of the you could fuck with the wrong bryden, and that happens. There’s a there’s a lot of those wrong dudes out there now. There’s so many people that are training in martial arts now. You never know. Like, you’re picking a fight with someone and you don’t wanna fight, you are rolling the dice.
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02:31:49
Dudes are
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02:31:50
a lot scarier in real life than on TV too. Like, I Oh, hell yeah. I finally got to meet I met I’ve met Brock Lesnar a couple ai now. I’ve just ran into him randomly. And just ai the size of his hands, you’re just like, god. Like, what? Like, where did this guy come? He’s just like a machine.
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02:32:03
He’s a viking. That’s 100% viking DNA. 100%.
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02:32:08
The ex there’s no exercise I’m aware of that, like, it makes your fist twice the size of a normal man. But he just like ai. He’s just like Did
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02:32:14
you see his daughter? Yeah. His daughter’s a shot put champion? Like, jeez Louise. She’s a tank.
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02:32:21
Yeah.
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02:32:21
Yeah. That’s just pure Ai genetics, man. Those are the people at the front of the boat with the big battle ax. When you saw that both pull up to your village. You knew you better start running to those meh. Ai
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02:32:31
just can’t imagine having to get in the ring with a guy like that and, like, no, you gotta you’re just ai, god, like, good luck. I know. You know?
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02:32:38
Imagine that the guys beat him too. That’s just even crazier. Guys beat his ass. You know? Alastair Overeem beat his ass. Cain Velasquez beat his ass. There’s guys better than him, which is really There’s
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02:32:48
always a bigger fish. Yeah.
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02:32:50
Yeah. And Cain wasn’t even bigger. Cain was a bad motherfucker. He was, like, two forty. He was, like, twenty five pounds lighter than Brock, Brock, and he still beat his ass.
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02:32:58
Who in who in fighting right now is exciting you, like, coming up into it? Like, who’s the coach? There’s so
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02:33:03
many guys. There’s so many men. Did you watch Ai last fight last weekend? Barof, Ai, William, Shah O’Malley? That guy is insane. He’s insane. His cardio is ai something to that everyone who has been involved in the sport for as long as I have is blown away by it. The guy’s a freak.
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02:33:24
Daniel Cormier went to visit him after he won the title. He he won the title Saturday night in the Sphere in Vegas. Beat Sean O’Malley, dominant five round decision that just steamrolled him. The next day, Daniel Cormier goes to visit him. He’s out running. Yeah. I mean, it doesn’t stop. Yeah.
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02:33:42
Doesn’t stop. Just this guy from Georgia, from this, you know, war torn country who is just embraces that fucking grind at a level that nobody else can compete with. And when he gets in the ring, like, no one can match his cardio. No one can match his pace. He melts the greatest of the greats.
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02:34:00
You see guys like Umar Nurmagomedov who’s elite. He’s world class. Like, in any other time, he’d be a world champion. And Murad’s just overwhelming him. You sai him just getting overwhelmed by the pace, and Murad doesn’t even get tired. He’s a freak.
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02:34:15
So he’s train he’s probably trained in Georgia most of his life then? Do you think that gives him an advantage ai he’s been he’s trained in, like, sort hit maybe his fighting tyler, or is it just ai is he doing the same type of fighting but just better, you think? Or is it just that they can’t read?
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02:34:28
Evolution of his his technique. So a lot of it is in America. So it’s just his mindset and his his ai. And I think some of it you know, for us, Zahavi did a whole video about him, sai he needs to be studied in a lab. For us, Zahavi, who runs TriStar in Montreal, is ai one of the greatest gyms of all ai, and he’s one of the best minds ever in the history of Ai, and he’s blown away by this this guy.
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02:34:51
He’s like, there’s guys that are on EPO, which is ai, you know, that’s what the ai take that makes you have more blood cells and it makes you have more cardio, but it’s you can have a fucking stroke. It’s, like, super dangerous to take. But that’s, like, a lot of the like, Tour de France guys get busted for that kind of shit. Some fighters get busted.
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02:35:08
He’s, like, guys that I know that have been on EPO don’t have that kind of cardio. This is crazy cardio. This is, like, something freakish. And he’s, like, he he thinks that some of it’s genetic, but Murab says it’s not. Murab says, no. I used to get tired. I used to get tired.
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02:35:21
He’s just I mean, he’s a freak. He’s a freak. And he’s he just keeps getting better with his technique. He gets better with everything. His that drive is not just for his cardio, that drive is for his whole skill set. So he’s a fucking monster.
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02:35:33
And then Ilya Toporia who’s fighting Charles Olivera at the end of the month, like, that guy is insane. That guy’s knocked out two of the greatest featherweights of all ai, Volkanovski and Max Holloway. Nobody knocked those guys out in featherweight before. And he did it. And he did it and he made it look easy. You know, he made it look like they they like, he’s just on another level from everybody. Mhmm.
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02:35:52
You know, and then now he’s moving up to a hundred and fifty five pounds. He’s, like, decided he cleared out that division. He’s moving up. Ai, he’s Insane. Yeah.
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02:35:59
Insane. There’s guys like that that are just so they’re just their their level is above everybody else’s level. And with Ilya, it’s everything. It’s his submissions, his kicks, his punches, everything. He does he can do anything. I mean, he does everything perfect. All his technique is perfect.
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02:36:13
He’s fucking driven and ultra confident. You know, this is an amazing time for the sport, man. It’s a it’s a crazy time because these guys that are coming in look like one fight in the UFC. They look like world class contenders, like, right away.
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02:36:27
Yeah. Well, it’s cool because it seems like it’s it’s like a really it’s a really good way to get, like, obscure people into the spotlight. Like, it doesn’t seem it seems like if you can just go in there and fight good that you you it’s like you can really work your way up to the top pretty quick, I guess.
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02:36:43
Like, I guess, it it does take some ai. But, like, if you’re even if you’re like, the guys that are in the top at the UFC now, how many fights do you think it takes them before they wreck it? Like, how many big wins is it really just a win or two, I guess, if they’re big enough and they’re like
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02:36:56
It really depends entirely on their skill set and who they’re fighting and how good they are when they get into the organization. Like, the best example of a quick rise to the top is Alex Pereira. But Alex Pereira is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time. And Alex Pereira went and entered into the UFC, like, a lot of people were completely unaware of him.
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02:37:15
And me as a a giant kickboxing fan, he was the guy that I was ai, when this motherfucker comes over here, bodies are gonna drop, man. I’m telling you, you ain’t never seen nothing ai and I remember Daniel Cormier saying to meh, like, really? I’m like, dude, I’m telling you.
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02:37:30
I was pointing to him on his in his debut. I go, that’s the motherfucker. That’s the boogeyman of boogeyman. I go, he knocks people into orbit. Ai was showing him some videos of kickboxing ai. He was like, holy shit. I go, dude, everybody he touches. He’s got the touch of death.
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02:37:46
And then we start steamrolling people in the USC sana he knocked out Strickland in one round. And the the the opening fight that he had when he hit that dude with a flying knee and just sent him into orbit and everyone’s like, woah. I’m like, yeah, dude. This guy is scary. So that guy was within three years was a two division world champion, which is just nuts. Like, nobody’s done that before.
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02:38:10
And, you know, defended the light heavyweight title multiple times in just a few years. And he’s only really been fighting MMA for, like, five or six years.
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02:38:18
That’s the excitement I think of MMA over other athletics maybe. It’s just the unpredictability of it that, like, anybody can just come in and catch everybody off guard, and you just don’t ever know. It’s just Yeah.
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02:38:28
Well, it’s specialists. So the thing about specialists is, if you’re a specialist kickboxer, what you really need is someone to teach you how to fight on the ground, like and he had Glover Teixeira, who was also a former UFC light heavyweight champion, one of the greatest, and an amazing technician.
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02:38:43
And Glover helped him along with all his other training partners avoid the takedowns, learn how to fight off, learn how to fight on the ground, learn how to get back up to your feet. When you got a guy who’s the best of the best kickboxers, every fight starts standing up. So ai you’re standing there with him, it’s just you gotta get that ai to the ground. You gotta get that guy to the ground. This is terrifying. Yeah.
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02:39:05
And he he’ll fight with broken toes. He fought he’s fought so fucked up before. He fought, when when he fought Yuri Prochaska the first time, he had a completely blown out knee. Ai, his knee wouldn’t support him. He knocked Yuri Prochaska out with a left hook. And then he got his knee fixed, came back fought him again and iced him in the second round.
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02:39:24
And he’s just different, man. He fought this last fight with a broken hand and, he had, norovirus Oh my god. And still lost a close decision in the fifth round.
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02:39:34
Maybe it almost yeah. It almost help like, almost helps him like that. Nah.
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02:39:37
It doesn’t. It definitely does. You could tell his energy was lower in that last fight than it has been in the past. Like, the Khalil Rountree fight was a fucking master class. And Khalil ai, like, one of the best strikers in the light heavyweight division, and Alex just pieced him apart.
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02:39:50
I think about what happens to what happens after their careers are finished. Like, what do they where do they direct all of that energy to? Or does it or does it is it difficult when you’re does it does it it’s difficult when you’re a high level fighter and then you get out of it like Oh,
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02:40:05
it’s so difficult. Your whole identity is wrapped up in it, you know. I just messaged Shah Strickland the other day because I saw that he was talking about his investments and then he’s he’s got he’s got 4,000,000 in investments and he’s doing really well. And then, you know, he’s got a plan. Like, Sean is very intelligent. He’s wild and crazy. He says crazy shah, but very intelligent. And I was very happy.
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02:40:25
And I I imagine Ai mean, that makes me feel so good that you’ve, like, you’re really thinking about, like, having money in the bank ai investments. So you’re good. You’re good forever. And he’ll always be able to do seminars and and things along those lines. People it’s very valuable to be ai a former champion.
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02:40:42
You could visit gyms and people would line up and pay $50 sana you can teach them things that’ll genuinely help their careers. So vatsal lot of guys have a a thing to like Misha Tate, she was just in Austin recently, and she, she went to Waze two Well to get, some work done on her knee, and she was out here doing seminars.
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02:40:58
So she’s traveling their family around the country, and they’ll go and she’ll teach a seminar arya gym, and then they’ll go, you know, on a RV trip. You know, nice family time.
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02:41:07
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:41:08
Have a good time in between, but they can make a lucrative living doing that, which is really nice. You know? Yeah. It’s hard for them. The identity thing is very hard.
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02:41:16
Well, I just wonder too, like, the it seems like some of those people are, well, you know, this is totally different than MMA ai, but I look at, ai, like, a great example is ai like that David Goggins type of thing where they’re, like, just add it. Like you said, dude, meh, like, you you fight and the next day you’re able to go run. It’s just ai, what happens when all that slows down?
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02:41:33
Do you redirect that somewhere? Do you think it’s difficult? Like, if you don’t have somewhere to just you know, you found this really effective way to displace all of this. Because obviously, those people have got something in them that, like, drives their spirit to be able to do that.
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02:41:45
Well, I think George Sana Pierre has the healthiest model because George still trains almost every day. Yeah. And George still comes to Austin to train with the Donahir’s and Gordon Ai, all all these elite jiu jitsu guys, and he’ll still go to Thailand and train Muay Thai. He’s a genuine martial artist.
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02:42:02
And maybe maybe he stopped before he destroyed himself too meh.
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02:42:06
He definitely did. He definitely did.
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02:42:08
He’s in good
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02:42:09
He definitely did.
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02:42:09
Do you think those guys will ever come back? Like like a I know there was rumors about do you think they would ever do you think for them that it would be beneficial for them to come back and fight once they’ve been out of it for so long? Ai like the Tyson fight and stuff. Was that that seemed like and I don’t even know.
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02:42:23
That’s a whole another can of worms, and I don’t I’m not articulate enough in this space to, like, give my opinions on things. But I just I would have liked to see Mike Tyson just I don’t know. Just seemed like that just wasn’t it didn’t seem like he enjoyed that coming back.
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02:42:36
I bet he enjoyed the $20,000,000. He did.
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02:42:38
I bet
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02:42:38
ai did. I think that’s why he did it. I think he did it for money, and I’m happy that he could do it for money. I’m happy that he could make a large amount of money doing something like that. That’s all I’ll say about that. Yeah. But you’re not supposed to be getting hit really hard in the head when you’re 57 or 58 years old. It’s probably not the best thing for your your health.
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02:42:54
Yeah. And at a certain point in time, like, I kinda stopped kickboxing for the most part when I was like 30. I was like, this is just not good for you, you know. I I was still sparring ai I was I was acting at the time. So I was doing news radio and I was still going to the gym and kickboxing.
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02:43:11
And, you know, sometimes Sai have like a little black eye that I have to get touched up with makeup and shit before I go out to like and Ai kept doing Jiu Jitsu, but Jiu Jitsu I would get black eyes in Jiu Jitsu sometimes too, but Jiu Jitsu didn’t I didn’t get my head rattled the same way.
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02:43:27
Mhmm. Like, you you still accidentally catch a knee sometimes and or you head butt each other ai, something elbow. Stuff happens. Mhmm. But it’s not like the constant jabs to the face and kicks to the body and you just get you’re you’re beating your brain up, you know, and it’s just not good for you.
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02:43:46
At a certain point in time, like, if you’re an athlete and you’re competing professionally, you manage it, you do your best to recover and take care of your health, but there’s a part there’s a price you pay. And I don’t think you should pay that price if you don’t have to.
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02:43:58
Mhmm.
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02:43:58
You know, and that’s what that’s the thing about sparring that’s ai especially if you’re sparring with someone who’s ai a hard hitter and they they’re not that good at pulling punches, and then it gets competitive. The next thing you know, you’re you’re basically fighting.
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02:44:09
Full on fighting somebody.
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02:44:10
Happens all the time. Happens all the time. It happens in a lot of gyms. It happens more often than not. You’re actually fighting rather than sparring. You’re just lucky you’re not knocking each other unconscious every day. You know, because it’s ai your skill. But there’s there’s something to be said for that if you’re fighting because, like, you gotta be aware that there’s real consequences to these shots.
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02:44:27
And if someone’s pity patting you in sparring, maybe you’ll develop a false sense of security,
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02:44:32
you know,
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02:44:33
and someone will crack you. You gotta be on the edge all the time. Like, for us, Sahabi, who I was talking about earlier, would pay sparring partners to try to knock George Sai. Pierre out. He would pay them. I want you to try to knock him out, like, for real. Because he wanted George to be, like, really prepared.
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02:44:45
You know, you’re going in there and you you know, you’re gonna fight some fucking killer. You know, you you can’t be kinda half you’re, you know, you’re you’re fighting Carlos Conner. He’s gonna try to take your head off. You gotta be training with guys that are trying to take your head off. You know?
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02:44:59
When they’re in the middle of those fights, is it a lot of muscle meh, or are they consciously thinking like, I feel like a lot of it is they’ve trained so much that it’s more automatic. Right? When they get in that fight like like like like the way you see these slow these slow motion replays of ai, and they’re able to, like, almost predict their opponent’s move and, like, react in real time with it and, like, just use it to their advantage.
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02:45:21
That’s all sort of almost, it’s not involuntary, but they’ve, like, trained their muscle memory to react that way, I ai. More so than them level. Yeah. More so than them having to, like, ai, like, oh, here it comes. I’m gonna you know? It’s just so incredible to watch it, like, the way it’s.
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02:45:35
Sometimes those fights are so good. They almost, ai, it’s almost, like, choreographed. It’s so good the way they’re able to, like, use their opponent’s movements and to their own advantage and stuff. That’s what’s so so crazy to me watching them. Just watching how, like, a human being can get to that level to where it’s so good, you know.
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02:45:52
When someone’s at the elite level, like, the highest of high levels, it’s an amazing thing to watch. Like, there’s a guy who’s defending his flyweight title, at the June, Alexandre Pantosia. He’s one of the best fighters of all time. I mean, he’s so fucking good, but he’s a hundred and twenty five ai.
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02:46:10
So people, you know, they don’t appreciate him as much as if that guy was one seventy, he’d be a fucking superstar. He’s so good. He’s so good everywhere. Elite black belt on the ground, nasty striking, hyper aggressive, just dominant. Just comes in, he has this look in his eyes like, I ram here to fuck you up.
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02:46:28
And it’s awesome to watch. I mean, he it’s like, when a guy reaches the pinnacle of his career, like, when he’s at the height of his powers, when he’s at the peak of his his performance and career and as a elite MMA fighter, it’s something to behold, man. It really is. When you watch a guy just piece a guy up and take him apart, you’re like, goddamn. You know, I just I’d never get bored with it.
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02:46:52
Never. Never get bored calling the ai. Never get bored. Ai, when when I know it’s a UFC night, I’m like, oh, baby. Here we go.
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02:46:59
It still
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02:46:59
get it still gets you excited just like it did at the beginning. Yeah.
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02:47:02
And and Daniel Cormier, who was a two division world champion, who’s sitting next to me, he gets fired up. I mean, he’s ai grabbing my shoulders. Oh, meh. We could here we go. Here we go. We get so fired up. And it’s, you know, as far as excitement generated, I think it’s the most exciting thing in the world.
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02:47:17
I don’t think there’s anything like two people trying to figure each other out. Yeah. You know? I mean and then when someone’s in that flow state, it’s amazing thing to watch. It’s beautiful. When they really hit that flow state, they just everything is just perfect.
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02:47:30
It’s like, oh, meh. That’s so hard to get there. It’s like an art form that you really can only truly appreciate if you understand understand the amount of effort that it took to get to that. But if you could do a little bit of it, you can do it somewhat. You know, you have to be able to do some martial arts to really appreciate what they’re doing.
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02:47:48
You know, you you could see someone kick somebody in the head ai, wow. That’s crazy. But to really know how hard it is to pull off what he did, it’s just ai, Damn.
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02:47:57
It’s easy it’s easy to watch Worldstar hip hop where they’re just, like, sucker punching each other, but to watch a guy exhibit that kind of skill on somebody else knowing that, like and not even knowing. Like I said, just meeting, like, the the few UFC fighters that I’ve met and stuff, just looking at them and being ai, gosh, dude.
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02:48:12
Like, these dudes are just animals, you know, ai, a start. And then to watch somebody else be able to exhibit that kind of just to kinda, like, unleash that kind of skill on them is just you’re right. It’s it’s such a raw it unlocks such a it unlocks that sort of monkey part of our brain that’s just ai, yeah.
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02:48:26
You know?
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02:48:27
Oh, it’s sai DNA, man. It’s hard to yeah. It’s just such a such a human thing, I guess.
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02:48:31
But Yeah. Like, when people are really into cricket, someone scores in cricket, they get excited. I don’t give a fuck. But if somebody kicks somebody in the head, everybody knows what happened.
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02:48:40
Everybody understands it. That’s the I think that that’s the same psychology behind chicken fighting, which is surprisingly prevalent, like, where we recorded this song and all that still. But, like, with the it’s kind of the sai, like, that that’s just that’s what they do up there. They don’t hit each other.
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02:48:55
They just get chickens and do it.
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02:48:57
And they gamble. That’s the big thing is gambling on chicken fights.
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02:49:00
It’s a big it’s a big deal. Roosters. Oh, yeah. It’s a big deal up there. Yeah.
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02:49:04
I was just telling a story the other day about, this guy that was my landscaper that that took me to this Mexican neighborhood that he lived in. And his buddy had all these chickens, like, in cages, like, all over the place. Yeah. He had these roosters and they had a big pit where they would roast goats, and they would just get the chickens out, put them in the box and gamble.
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02:49:21
And it was ai I I was explaining, like, you wanna talk about, like, integrated societies. This was a completely Mexican neighborhood in LA. Ai, none of the signs are in English. Everything is in Spanish. Everybody spoke Spanish.
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02:49:31
Wow.
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02:49:32
You go down the street, you hear there’s fucking roosters everywhere, man. But it’s ai that that’s part of their culture. It’s cruel and awful, but so is chicken farming, you know. Yeah. So they’d make soup out of the chickens after they have them fight each other. It’s kinda fucked up.
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02:49:50
But it’s the it’s that same sort of, like, it’s the same it goes back to, like, the coliseum. It’s that same ai of thing. Like, it’s that part of our brain that, like, everybody’s got some chase to get there. But, yeah, I’ve always wondered that with the fighters. I’ve I’ve
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02:50:03
The worst is dogfighting. Yeah. That’s the one I you know, that one makes my stomach turn.
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02:50:08
Right.
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02:50:08
That one bothers me because they like fighting. They really do. Pitbulls love it. They’re they’re ai. They’re biting each other in the face and wagging their tails. Mhmm. They really enjoy it, But it’s like, don’t do that. Don’t do that. You’re just like, we don’t want that.
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02:50:21
Yeah. You know? Yeah. Maybe it’s when it’s something you eat, you don’t feel so bad about it. But when it’s a dog, it’s like
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02:50:27
I just love dogs way too much. Man, that that to me you know and I know the dog wants to do it, which is even more fucked up. You know, they wanna ai. They but they’re bred for it. That’s what’s so crazy. People are so ai. They bred a dog that wants to fight all the time and will fight anything. They’ll fight bulls. They used to use them to grab bulls.
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02:50:45
Yeah.
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02:50:46
Yeah. But they’re not dogs, man.
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02:50:48
Well, you know where I was at in Virginia, we had, Ai, yeah, I was I don’t know if I’d say we were officially dating or not. I kinda was hoping we were, but I was there was this girl I used to talk to a lot in middle school, and they, you know, they weren’t they didn’t live too far away from Michael Vick’s place when all that went down.
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02:51:04
Oh, wow. She actually had some puppies that were originally they never fought. They were still puppies when meh got busted, but they were some of Vick’s dogs that she had. I remember as a kid, and that was like, yeah, that I remember when all that went down, I didn’t live you know, we weren’t relatively that far away from where all that happened.
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02:51:19
But
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02:51:20
That was a real eye opening experience for a lot of people. They’re like, wait. Ai. What? That guy’s doing that? That’s crazy.
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02:51:27
But I’m the same way. I I have Ai dogs and humans are, like, at the same level of importance to me almost. You know? Like, I finally I didn’t it’s not not in any way to say replace, but just, like, for me, I’ve always I’m used to having three or four dogs around. Because once you train a if you train a couple dogs real good and you get a couple more, nine times out of 10, they’ll just learn everything from you kinda get this pack meh.
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02:51:49
And so I’ve had four for forever, and then I shah gotten down to two ai I lost Hooch, the white shepherd. So I finally just got this black German shepherd off this lady who was real really nice lady, and it wasn’t she didn’t necessarily neglect the dog, but the dog was just a breeder’s dog.
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02:52:03
So all she did was just have puppies with it. And sai, like, here I ram. I’m taking this five year old black German shepherd down, like, to go swimming in the creek with us and stuff. And, like, it was, like, her first time stepping on a stick. You know? She stepped on a stick and, like, jumped completely in there.
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02:52:16
Like, she didn’t know what it you know? Now within two weeks, now she’s, like, swimming in the creek with them and running all around, and she acts ai she’s a farm dog. But, like, this dog had just ai been in this lady’s front yard for years, I guess, and just didn’t hadn’t even gotten to but to me, it’s ai, here I am.
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02:52:29
I’m like it’s ai, you know, they’re like they’re my children. You know? They just I don’t I can’t I can’t separate a dog and a human in level of input. You know? It’s like ai like, you’re just like, it’s like that that theoretical scenario where the train’s coming and you gotta figure out which way to switch the tracks, and it’s ai elderly people are dogs, and you’re like, Sai don’t know what I’m.
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02:52:48
Yeah. But I’m with you. I love I’m a yeah. I just love I love dogs.
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02:52:52
I like people more than dogs, but I love dogs. Yeah. But, yeah, people are more important to me. But it’s close. It’s close. There’s some people that I would kill for my dog. Hey.
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02:53:03
While I’m here, I’m gonna go pick up Poppy or whatever is I ai I wish I would have, I wish I would have saved him on there. I think his name was Poppy or Buddy or something, but that little chihuahua at the Humane Society. Oh, you Ai.
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02:53:13
Oh, you take him in?
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02:53:14
I might. I don’t know. He’s really goofy.
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02:53:16
Why not, man? Take him in.
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02:53:17
He’s, like, 12 years old or something, so he just needs somewhere to go, you know?
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02:53:20
Oh, you’ll give him the last few years of his life. It’d be awesome. Oh, and then he’ll be telling all the other people. Oliver Anthony came and got me. Ai the rich man from Richmond guy. What a sweetheart.
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02:53:29
Yeah.
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02:53:30
Hey, he likes me more than people.
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02:53:34
Yeah. Well, yeah, this is exciting. I I, the mothership in just being able to go in there and do music and stuff is gonna be nuts. I’ve got a few, like, I brought, I got a friend of mine named Craig who’s, like, one of my buddies growing up who does just, like, amateur state.
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02:53:47
He’s really funny, guys. Sai got him doing a little bit, and, I’ve got Hickok forty ai son, John, who he does, comedy in Chicago right now. He’s gonna do a little stand up thing there and just it’ll just be fun. I’m just sai be real cool. I got the guys that opened for me, the Davidson Brothers, they’re gonna do a couple songs. They’re real they’re really good and just, I don’t know.
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02:54:06
I’ve been this has been, like, through all the stress and chaos of the last ai many months of things going on and stuff being rearranged and all, this has been, like, my beacon that I’ve held on to of, like, we just gotta get to the mother shah and then everything will work out, you know, and
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02:54:20
Well, we’ve been really looking forward to having you. Everyone and the staff, all the comics are real pumped. Everybody’s excited.
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02:54:25
I just couldn’t believe the reception I got. Like, even when I came with Tom that first time, just how everybody sort of took me in, like like I don’t know. I’m just sort of the well, also, a lot of people don’t even know who I am because all they’ve seen of me is, like, just the Internet stuff and all the political stuff.
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02:54:40
And so it was really surprising the first time even when we went to that mothership how, I don’t know, just everybody there just was, like, very respectful and, like and it just kinda, like, welcome me with open arms. I kind of I thought I was going in there, like, really, like, kind of an ai, and it was way more receptive than I’ve ever been in Nashville, you know, like, with music people.
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02:55:02
Yeah. They just awesome. I don’t know. Like, William Montgomery and all those guys are just so so nice and so, just, like you know you know they’re funny, and they can make you laugh up on stage. But even in person, they’re all just, like, really good speak. Like, they’re all just really genuinely good people, you know?
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02:55:16
Yes. We got a great tribe. Yeah. It’s a great tribe. And the the the whole mentality of the club is like that. Like, everybody that’s there is cool. You know, we’ve really I
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02:55:26
think in comedy comedy still there’s a lot of struggle in comedy for people to make it. I think even more so than in music, like, that some of those people were telling me stories about, like, how tough it is to go out. You know, trying to make a make trying to make a career out of comedy.
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02:55:39
Like, I guess unless you get a big Netflix special or you get a big break, like, it’s paycheck to paycheck for a long time maybe for some of those guys. Like, until they get or until they get to where they’re ai a a regular at a big club like that, you’re just you’re just off you know, you’re out you’re out putting yourself into a very vulnerable position a lot where people can just say, ah, screw that guy.
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02:55:57
You know? It’s a struggle. To do that
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02:55:59
to get good at it.
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02:56:00
But I think I think they have some appreciation for it that maybe other people don’t. Like, they’re like, it like, I think that’s Ai I pick up on that. Like, they get this they get that everybody in there is struggling ai to make it and have put a lot of their heart and effort into it.
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02:56:13
And it just seems like it’s there’s a lot of respect in there for each for everybody and stuff. Yeah.
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02:56:18
A 100%. Everybody realizes that there’s only one way to do it. You gotta work hard for a long time. It’s the only way. It’s one of the few things in life that there’s no shortcut to. To developing material and getting good at stand up, it’s a ten year process.
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02:56:30
You Yeah.
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02:56:31
It’s a ten year degree. You wanna actually become a real stand up, it’s probably about ten years.
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02:56:36
Mhmm.
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02:56:36
Ten years of grinding. And for a lot of people, like, oh, that’s too long. It is too long. Yeah. That’s why most people don’t do it. Yeah. But if you could do it, the people that are doing it and have been doing it for, like, ten plus years, like, all those people hanging out in the green room, they’re all so cool.
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02:56:50
It’s a lot like jiu jitsu in that regard. It’s ai people that appreciate the difficulty of something and are really obsessed with getting better at it. Mhmm. You know, and they’re obsessed with helping other people get better at it too. Because ai like jiu jitsu, the more people that you have around you that are really funny, the funnier you’ll get. Mhmm.
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02:57:05
Everybody has to be sharp because the whole show like, sometimes I’ll do these Joe Rogan and Friends show and it’s fucking Sana Maud, Ai Simpson, Tony Hinchcliffe, Shane Gillis, Mark Norman, and then I go up. Like, it’s like the show’s an hour and a half old before I even get on stage. Yeah. So it’s ai you have to stay sharp.
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02:57:22
You have and if you’re not, you gotta pick up the slack. You gotta figure it out. Get back to the laptop. Let’s go. You gotta ai. Do this.
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02:57:29
Do that. But, that’s what we’re all doing, you know. We’re all it’s a it’s a vibrant place that it it there’s the, there’s a mindset attached to that place. It’s very positive. Yeah. That makes me real happy. And I’m real happy that you’re gonna be there this speak.
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02:57:43
Yeah. I think yeah. I think this mothership thing’s got a long future ahead of it in that sense of, like, just reshaping. I don’t know. I just it’s like a it is kind of a beacon right now and, like, I don’t know. It’s ai there’s a big light shining up in the sky and every that’s kinda where everybody’s looking, it seems like, ai that you know, it’s a.
Speaker: 0
02:57:59
A and even with Kill Tony, it’s just cool that they that’s the coolest part about that is that, like, you can just go right in there. Anybody can go right in there and give it their all, you know, for better or for worse.
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02:58:10
But you might make it. Look. You might be William Montgomery. You know? You might be Cam Patterson. You might be Hans Kim ram any of these people that have, like, legitimate careers now because of that show.
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02:58:19
Yeah.
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02:58:19
It’s pretty awesome. Oliver Anthony, this weekend, sorry, everybody. It’s all sold out. You’re not gonna be able to get in, but, I’m fucking pumped. I can’t wait.
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02:58:28
Yeah. As I may say
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02:58:29
Thank you for being here, man, and thanks for the podcast.
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02:58:31
It was
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02:58:31
a lot of fun.
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02:58:32
Thank you. Yeah.
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02:58:32
I really enjoyed it very meh. It’s and it’s great to see you find your place, man. You you’re getting it. You got it. You know, like, you’re you’re here now. You’re established. In the beginning, like, what the fuck is happening? But now you’re, like, you got a plan. You
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02:58:43
move in. Meh and so many things, but it’s a it’s a con it’s a contribution of I’d say, you know, like, at the very beginning, you, Jamie Johnson, David Kushner, and just a couple people who were, like, had been in it for a while and were able to, well, with David, you know, he was fairly recent, but we were both but just those people just being able to guide me along at the the first six months was when I ai really slipped up hard and, like, could’ve just I just was so thankful that I got through all that without being married to anybody or any company.
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02:59:12
Like, at least everything’s still
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02:59:14
No. You did it the right way. Yeah. You did it the right way.
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02:59:16
So I appreciate the confidence there because it’s sai terrifying Ai is. Meh, you’ve been going to you’ve been going to work every day for some guy that you hate and some job you hate for so long for, like, $50 a year, and then some some dude is, like, showing you, like, you know, like and they have a really convincing way of doing it.
Speaker: 0
02:59:34
Just, like, think about how easy you can get prayed into buying some shit used car on a lot. Yeah. These people are like that, but, like, they’re ai they’re like the professional UFC fighters of psychological warfare. Like, they’re gonna make you feel like you’re so stupid and that, like, you’ve just tricked everybody for five minutes and you better you better do it while it lasts.
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02:59:50
But And if you
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02:59:51
don’t come with us, it’s never gonna make it. Yeah. You’re never gonna make it. But you were right. They were wrong.
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02:59:56
And I don’t care if nothing like I said, if nothing else ever comes of this, this has been just such a blessing to be able to just meet all the people I have and experienced it. And, like, it’s just cool, man. I don’t care I don’t care where else where it goes from here. I’m I’m just totally I’m just enamored by it all.
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03:00:10
It’s just been, just another dimension I’m living in, dude. I don’t know. It’s awesome. Not real life.
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03:00:15
But It’s beautiful.
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03:00:16
Yeah. Alright.
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03:00:17
Thanks for being here.
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03:00:18
Yes, sir. Thank you. Alright. Maybe in a couple more years. Fuck, yeah.
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03:00:21
A couple of months. Fuck it.
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03:00:23
Alright. Bye. You bet. Bye.
