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Oz Pearlman is an entertainer, mentalist, and endurance runner. www.ozpearlman.com
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#2332 – Oz Pearlman Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion revolves around the art of communication, memory, and the power of observation. The speakers emphasize the importance of extracting valuable insights from guests by asking expansive questions and understanding their thought processes. A recurring theme is the significance of being a good listener and the ability to recall details about people, which can create memorable interactions and foster strong relationships.
The episode features insights into the world of mentalism and entertainment, highlighting how creating memorable moments is crucial for success. The speaker discusses the concept of “clarity of effect,” where simplicity and memorability are key to engaging an audience. This approach is applicable not only in entertainment but also in personal and professional interactions.
A notable guest mentioned is Steven Spielberg, whose natural curiosity and ability to engage with others serve as a lesson in humility and the importance of learning from every interaction. The episode also touches on the idea of customizing content to resonate with specific audiences, whether in corporate events or media appearances.
Actionable insights include the practice of taking meticulous notes to enhance memory and the strategy of focusing on the first and last thoughts of the day to maintain a positive mindset. The speakers also discuss the power of observation and how understanding subtle cues can lead to better communication and relationship-building.
Overall, the episode underscores the value of curiosity, effective communication, and the creation of memorable experiences as tools for personal and professional growth.
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#2332 – Oz Pearlman Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Ai my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Oh, yep. Alright. Surreal.
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Dude, you’ve only been here for twenty minutes. You already freaked me out.
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Just just freaked out.
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And I’m freaked out with the fact that you’re the first guy that’s ever come here that ran a marathon Yeah. Before you got here.
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You know, wanted to clear my mind.
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It’s a big day. How long did it take you to run it?
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You gotta check online. I don’t know. I think it was, like, three hours, twenty five minutes, three thirty, something like that.
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That’s a good time for
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casual Southeast, thunderstorming in Austin, Texas, and then, looped around, went back, got some work done. I always do phone calls while I’m running.
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How often do you run you said you ram 27 miles this morning?
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I think so. I mean, I don’t know. I just I I turned around. I got it done. I need to get ready for this shower. But yeah.
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Is that a normal thing for you
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to do? Very normal.
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Wow. Yeah. That’s crazy. That’s a lot of distance, man.
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You know, I there was, like, a sweet spot pre having as many kids and more family constraints and and work and now life is busy, but where I do 20 miles every day.
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That’s crazy. Yeah. Like, what’s the longest you’ve run? You do I’m 53 miles. Wow. How how long did it take you to do that?
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Thirty three hours. Spartathlon in Greece, epic. It’s in Greece? Oh, it’s crazy, man. You run from Athens to Sparta. This race is amazing. You ever seen the way 300 with Gerard Butler? Sure. So that’s the story. A a couple of crazy dudes in the eighties decided that they’re gonna recreate where he ran, Fidippides, to deliver the message.
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Because in that movie, meh, 300 Spartans defended against the Persian masses, and they frame it as the difference between us having civilization and not. Had those 300 guys not died while they assembled an army and he delivered that message to King Leonidas so when you finish this race, if you finish, it’s one of the hardest races in the world.
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Like, there’s bad water. You know Goggins, mutual buddy of ours. But, there’s races they say are the hardest. This one kicked my butt. First year
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Because of the elevation?
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What is it? It’s because Europe does not believe in ice, so there’s nothing cold for the first fifty miles. You’re hot, and then the the cutoffs are much stricter. So at 50 miles, you have to be done you gotta fact check this, but nine or ten hours. So you have to finish a 53 miles in under thirty six hours. You need to be running at all times.
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You can’t walk for two hours and start throwing up, which Ai I was puking for eight hours straight the first time I did it. Still, excuses. This is me just bitching. I should’ve finished that year. I wasn’t mentally tough. But a % that year, I just didn’t have it mentally.
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And the next year, I came back ready to die. I was like, I’m gonna finish this race. Yeah. There was a guy in the middle of the night, I won’t kid you, who looked at meh, and he says to me there it is. He goes to me with, like, crazy eyes, and I’ve already given up in my mind. You know?
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You know you know, like, they call it DNFing, did not finish Right. In Ultras. I already wrote the speech of, like, I’m gonna tell my friends Ai learned from the you know, all that all that stuff of, like, I already gave up in my mind. And I saw this guy at mile, I don’t know, seventy two, middle of the ai, who looks at me with these crazy eyes.
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I’ll never forget his looks, crazy eyes like that, but a hundred times more. And goes, you’re gonna give up? He goes, if you can’t run, you walk. You can’t walk, you crawl. You never ever and I was like, yo, meh.
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This guy needs to chill out right now because I’ve already quit in my mind, but I channeled that guy when I came back the next year. And it was that it was I’m going to the hospital, and you’re not putting IV. I’m gonna finish this race. And I came back the next year meh, like, there’s no way I’m not finishing.
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Did you do anything different in preparation?
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Listen. It it It’s mental. It’s all mental. Anyone who tells you otherwise, physical is meaningless at that point. Physical is meaningless in most points, to be honest. There were guys who I saw when I quit. It was, you know, 2AM who were slower than me. They were older than me.
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Every objective measure, I should have beat them, but they mentally finished. The next morning, I got a night speak, woke up, watched them, ate lunch, and saw them finish. I ai, like, I was crying. I I couldn’t believe the emotions of this guy finished who was two hours behind me when I quit.
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And I learned that day, it’s meh, 100%. The mindset is when you get there, you know if you’re finishing at the start.
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So did it haunt you that you didn’t finish?
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Haunted me every day.
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Isn’t that crazy?
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Haunted. Like, what you did was really hard, but you didn’t bullshit hard. It was I ai finished.
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How far did you get?
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I I got halfway.
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So that’s pretty hard.
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No. I 75 miles? This I quit when it was convenient because I got to an aid station, and I’m like, oh, you know, I got thirty minutes on I already decided in my mind I was quitting. But hold on. I gotta pause because I walked in here and I told you Okay. Before we start, I have something for you. Right. Right?
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People sai, can I read minds? I can’t read minds. I read people. Okay. This envelope, if they can’t see it and they’re listening, your logo sealed.
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Right.
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This is your future.
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My future?
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This is your future. I’m not psychic. I’m not supernatural. But I assure you, I want you to hold this from now until the end of the episode.
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Okay.
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That’s when we open it.
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I don’t even know if I wanna know my future.
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No. No. This is all good stuff. Live to a hundred twenty. Joe’s gonna be a two term president. You know, you know fucked
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up. That’s not good. I don’t want that job.
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You take it before we even start. Okay. And at the end, we open it. So nobody skips this episode. You buckle up for the ending.
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I’m I’m here. People would just fast forward.
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They’ll fast forward. They’ll miss all the good stuff in the middle. The quitters. Quitters. The people who did not finish Spartathlon.
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That’s so that’s insanely impressive, though, that you run that much. When did you start doing this?
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My sister ran a meh. Shout out to my older sister, and there’s a little bit of sibling rivalry. She’s eight years older. I have twin sisters. And do you remember when marathoning became, like, commonplace?
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Before you say anything, I have to shout out to my sister. She because she got upset that I didn’t shout her out before because she ran Burt Kreischer’s five k. She’s like, I can’t believe you didn’t shout me out. Sorry, sweetie. Love you.
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Well played.
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Ai. She’s the best.
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They all are. Right? So so my sister ran it, and and everyone, at a certain point, meh became ai a thing. Do you remember when Oprah ran one? And then everyone’s like, I’m running a marathon.
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I didn’t pay attention.
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Yeah. But there was, like, a moment where the ai, everyone started running marathons. This was before that.
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I believe you. Yeah. But, I wasn’t tuned into that frequency.
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I was I when my sister said she’s running 26.2 miles, if she had told me this is not that she’s not fit. She was like a collegiate d d one athlete swimmer. I’m like, what do you if she had said I’m going to the moon, it would have been equal of, like, what do you mean you’re running a marathon?
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And so when she did it, I immediately that day signed up for a marathon just to be ai, no. Screw that. I’m not I’m not not doing this. Right. And I was working on Wall Street. I was kinda getting fat and lazy, happy hours. And I I I go, this is all there is?
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Like, I’m just gonna keep I’m making money. Don’t get me wrong. I’m blessed. But I got I gotta have something that fires me up. That’s my instinct.
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And so I signed up for a marathon. What year was this? 02/2004. Okay. And then I did one, Philly marathon, you know, the Rocky, the whole thing.
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And at mile 23, I start I stop, and I I’m, like, crying. I again, this is a common theme. I’ve cried, like, twice in my life. My wife will ask and sai, but I was wrecked. I was gonna quit. I see two dudes walking because I’m going decently fast at this point. I’ve trained terribly.
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I see two dudes walking about a hundred yards ahead of meh, and I go, misery loves comedy. I’m gonna walk up and I’m a I’m gonna catch them. But they’re walking the same speed as meh, so I sai screw it. I’m gonna run to them. I run. I get about halfway there.
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Do you know what they do? They looked at each other and they started running. And I literally screamed at them. I ai, fuck you. Like, I and I got fired up. And I learned that day anger is a great, like, in in in incentive. It’s ai something to fire up.
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And I got so pissed off that my blood pressure, Sai ran the rest of the race.
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You know, Goggins takes all of his haters’ meh? Oh, yeah. He records them and then plays it back to him while he runs?
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Oh, I know David well. I’ve known David going on, like, fifteen years, meh. Before Goggins became Goggins, I’ve seen the whole come up sai you meet him. So we trained for ultra marathons together. Oh. He used to live in New York City. Oh, wow. And we’d go out there and, you know, he’s shirtless.
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And this is before now, man, he can’t go anywhere. He’s just it’s, like, next level.
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He still runs on the street?
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He runs, but, man, he’s he’s ai, that’s such a fame that’s you know, we’ve talked about. But it’s he’s he’s I mean, he’s inspired countless millions.
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Oh, for sure.
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But you see Yeah. I don’t know what your version is, but, like, somebody sees meh. I just get, like, a, oh, hey. Love what you do. That’s it. Mhmm. You know, maybe a selfie. That’s it. Right. Occasionally, some drunk assholes, like, read my mind right now. And I’m like, alright, buddy. I’ll do it. I’ll do it.
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You know, I don’t wanna leave somebody behind. But his is someone comes up and you have to you changed my life. Like, I didn’t kill myself or my brother. Like, that’s that’s a religious level fervor.
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Mhmm. Yeah. No. For sure. I’ve been I’ve been around him when I’ve seen it happen. Yeah. Yeah. He runs on the street. He was running on the street in Vegas. My wife, it was in the car. She rolled down the window and yelled out, stay armed.
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Second time he’s ever heard that. Right? Who’s gonna carry the boats?
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That’s all he hears all day long is people yelled, stay hard.
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Stay hard.
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The memes that people have put together are just those videos, and he’s got a great sense of humor, which people don’t realize. He’s got a great sense of humor.
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He’s a fun dude.
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He’s a really fun guy, man. Love that guy.
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Yeah. He’s he’s a fun dude. He’s just very fucking serious
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Yeah.
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About about pushing himself. Did you see the video of him and Israel Adesanya?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It was crazy. Yeah. Like, Israel Adesanya, world class athlete, world championship fighter. Yeah. Cannot compete can’t keep up with this 50 year old man.
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Who was the other one? Was it was it was it Jon Jones? Who was the other one he trained? Tony Ferguson. Tony. Tony. Who’s ai cardio is through the roof. I mean, Tony was like, that guy five rounds, it’s just insane. Never never gasses out. Yep. Yeah. He might overtrained.
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He got
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He ai.
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Goggins Goggins run ran through, the washer
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right there. Been interesting if he got a hold of Tony when Tony was in his prime. You know, he got a hold of Tony when Tony was at the end of his career, essentially. Yeah. You know?
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Well, I mean, that’s always it. Right? Just a fighter at the prime.
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Well, yeah. And absolutely. And with fighters, you know, there’s just especially natural fighters that aren’t taking any steroids or anything. When when it gets to a certain point in time, the game is over. Just that’s just how it is.
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Ai? Time is undefeated.
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Ai is undefeated. But fucking Arya, almost 50, still out there doing it.
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And he’s been injured so many ai.
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Not just injured. People need to understand the mental strength. And we’ve talked about on the podcast where we showed his x rays.
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Yep.
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The work that he’s had done on his knees. I mean, it’s all insane. It’s insane. They do experimental stuff on his knees.
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Right.
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His knees are destroyed.
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I mean, they must be.
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Yeah. They’re destroyed. They’re complete bone on bryden, and he just keeps running on them. It’s just ai, okay.
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He cross trains, though. I mean, the dude, like, the pull up record, his hands. Mhmm. Cam Haines sana. Right? True I just saw that. Man, what a stud that kid is. I’ve been watching Chip
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off the old block.
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I follow him. He sai never met him, but, man, he’s
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He’s great.
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That consistency and that putting that together and, yeah, very impressive. I don’t know. Like, I
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I’ve known him since he was a kid. So to me, it’s fun to watch him become a man and then become this beast. Beast. Yeah. It’s amazing. I mean, he did, I think it was was it 9,000 chin ups in twenty four hours or 10 more? Ai think it’s 10,001.
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10 thousand and one and Right. I’m good.
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9,000 was the record and he got to 10,000. So he broke the record first, then some cat in Australia broke the record, beat his record, and then he just demolished that guy’s record.
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And then I saw his thing, which was a flex, which ai me of something I did, which is, like, one of the highlight moments of my running career, which is he goes, I got another personal best in the same week at a marathon. Sana so he ran so I one time did two marathons, a week apart, like, six days apart. I did New Jersey marathon. I won it.
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And then the next week, I did Long Island marathon, and I got clipped by some college runner who beat me in the last, like, quarter of a mile.
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Damn. You won a marathon?
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Ai I won that one four times in a row. Yeah.
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That’s insane. Where what’s the time?
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My fast time’s at two twenty three.
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Two hours and twenty three minutes Yeah. For a fucking marathon?
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Yeah. I love Goggins, but every race we’ve run against each other, I beat them.
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Well, you have two knees. But That’s insane. That’s that’s world class, man.
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Ai mean, it’s like it’s like a fast for a weekend warrior. Ai Clay Two hours in twenty three minutes? One year at the New York City ai. I wanna I wanna remember this. I I got thirtieth place, but at my shows, I tell people I was the fastest Jew. That’s all that matters. That’s all fastest Jew. All that matters.
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That’s super impressive that you win marathons.
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Well, I won that one. And then six days later, six or seven, I did this other one, and I got beat by this kid who’s, like, 22. Ai don’t ram how old I was, thirties. And he beat me, and he fell and collapsed at the finish. And I’m like, again, I’m pretty fresh. And he goes, oh my god, man. He goes he goes, is that your personal best? And I’ll never forget looking in his ai. And this guy’s wrecked.
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And I go, bro, that’s not my personal best this week. And it was just it was just the most fulfilling thing to say for not having one, but I’d run literally a speak earlier faster. So Ai, that was a great moment.
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Yeah. But he beat you.
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He did beat me. True. First loser. Weird flex. Yeah. It’s a weird flex.
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Sai you were a stockbroker?
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I wasn’t technically a stockbroker. I worked on Wall Street, but I did What did
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you do on Wall Street?
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So I I went to school for electrical engineering and then worked ai, I don’t know, the tech guys who supported the iBankers.
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Okay. And then how did you get involved in this mentalist thing?
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This mentalist thing. Ai? What a weird thing. So when I was a teenager, I started doing magic tricks. So I saw a guy on a cruise shah, and I I never seen really a magician. I never I wasn’t into it, didn’t know about it, didn’t have a kid’s party magician when I was a kid, and I was obsessed.
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Literally, I was on a cruise. I followed this guy around the cruise ship. It was a little bit stalker esque, and there’s not that many places to hide if you’re a grown man. So I was finding this guy everywhere to just see more tricks. And I got back home, and I bought every book I could at Borders.
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I went to the library. I was obsessive. I’m kind of those types of people who Ai don’t do anything 80%, ninety % given the running today. It’s ai a 20%.
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Wow.
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And that was the thing for about, I don’t know, twenty years. It was more Ai was doing magic. I was always doing magic on the side. I paid for college doing magic. Really? I run a couple businesses. Yeah.
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What did you do? Like, do shows?
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So I graduate high school when I was 16. Ai, like, skipped a grade, all this, and then my folks got divorced, long story. And, they moved back to Israel. I was born in Israel, so separately moved back to Israel. So I was a bit of a, I Ai guess, I don’t know, an adult? Like, I had nobody supporting me. So when I went to college, I turned 17. I had to I had to pay all the bills. Woah. Yeah.
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So I I had I was doing magic at restaurants. I’ve been doing magic at restaurants for, like, thirty years, and that’s where I learned how to read people. Just how to go up to a table of people who are ai, who’s this twerp? Like, who’s this nerdy kid with braces? Like, what are you doing here?
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Get out of here. And how do you win them over quickly? And that’s honestly the biggest skill is how do you in sales read people effectively. Right? That that’s what I’m selling. I’m selling the thought of reading your mind.
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Now did you learn the techniques from books? Did you take classes?
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Ai No classes. Books and videos did magic. And so mentalism is kind of a field. Like, you had David Blaine in here. Right? Mhmm. Legend.
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Yeah.
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And growing up, like, icon. So magic tricks are different because magic is there’s ai of hand. Right? So you’re deceiving your eye by making you look at the wrong place at the right time when I do a move. And I can practice that move over and over and over until I get it perfect so that when I perform for you, it works. Right?
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Okay.
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Stand up comedy, the most pure art form. Right? You and a mic. That’s it. Mine is the closest. Magic, you have props. Mentalism, there’s no props. Mhmm. Like, I don’t need you to pick a card anymore. I don’t need it.
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Right.
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I can just tell you, think of a card, and that’s where I go with it. So now you start knowing how people think, and you, in essence, reverse engineer the human mind. It’s kinda like magic of the mind. And so that’s where it ai went from magic, and I kept doing more of the mentalism, more of it. But mentalism has a very steep learning curve.
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If you go to an open mic and you suck, how many people get to the level of getting better, getting better, putting in the work takes ten years to be funny for most people? Right? There’s a couple phenoms, but that’s a different story. So most meh, they drop off ai I’m just gonna go back to magic tricks. This works every time.
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So it’s more difficult to learn?
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Way more difficult.
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Is it sheltered? Like, is the the material on it difficult to find? It’s like
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It’s it’s I think it’s more that people don’t have the the thick skin. Like, the same way you said the quitting mentality where I came back a year later, most people won’t improve because you can’t practice mentalism in front of a mirror. You can practice magic. So when I do the trick on you and it’s a card trick, no no offense to magic, it’s great, but what we’re talking about is a much higher level.
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I can’t get it ai. And the first few times you do it, the first hundred times, you eat, you know, you eat shit ai you’re gonna get it wrong, and most people don’t wanna do that. Oh. Watch. Watch. Let’s try something fun.
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Okay.
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Okay? How about this. If I were to ask you how long you’ve been married? Sixteen years. K. Nailed that question. Well well played.
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Thank you.
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You got your sister’s happy. Your wife’s happy. If I asked you, would your wife know your Social Security number? No. She doesn’t know it? No. So is there any way in the world I can know your Social Security number?
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I don’t think so.
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Right. You say I’m a stalker. Who know yeah. Yeah.
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You can get the information Maybe. Online.
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Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. I’m skeptical you’re skeptical.
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Well, especially someone famous.
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Yeah. Fully. Plus, you can’t change that. Ai I’m not gonna do that to you.
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Data dumps.
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Yeah. If I told you right now to make up a random number, I’d say get out your calculator. I’d love that. And you add it up and you do a random number. You know, I’m screw calculator. I want it to be spontaneous. Would your wife know your ATM PIN code? No? No. Lie to me. Do not tell me your real ATM PIN code.
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Okay.
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Obviously, unless you want to. Make up a fake four digit number off the top of your head. What feels to you utterly spontaneous? When I say go, one, two, three, four digit code, random, go. Okay. Say it. Twenty twenty. Twenty twenty. Okay.
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So you ask me how do I do what I do? Now I’m gonna write down twenty twenty.
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Okay.
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It’s weird, but, statistically, men will lie bigger, women smaller. Men like Vlad by saying things are bigger. Right? No shocker.
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Okay.
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So I don’t think I would tell you right off the jump ram me that that means that your first number, you don’t have to say anything yet, ai twenty twenty is smaller. That’s what most people do when they’re rushed. If I had given you five minutes, you would have done this different.
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No. I wouldn’t have.
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No. You would ai. Why didn’t you because you would have thought about it, and then people go down a different path. Nope. No? Nope. Okay. Worked out for me either way. You’ll be honest if I’m right.
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Okay.
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I got a hit, which means it’s a zero or one. I think the first number of your code’s a one, isn’t it? Your real PIN code.
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My ATM ATM PIN code. Why would I tell you that on the air?
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Should I should I only show this to you? Sure. Only show it to you. Yeah. Can we acquiesce that the first number I got was correct?
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Yes.
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Okay. Now you did repetition. Sai, yeah, I like the fact when people always say to me it’s fake when they watch the videos, they’re like, you must have set up Joe doesn’t even want this to happen right now. He had no idea this was gonna happen. You use two numbers in repeats. What that means is you probably did the same thing.
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You also didn’t use any of the same numbers. I know there’s not a two, a zero, or a two in it. I don’t think so either. Mhmm. And I’m watching you while I say it. You put the hand up. You might as well sai yes to me out loud. So now I know.
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Think of the second number. Okay. Third number, fourth number.
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Got it.
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Every time you did it, it’s a data point. Okay. I’m only gonna ask you one more question. I’m not looking for answers. The last number is the biggest, isn’t it? Yeah. Yeah. I’m showing this to you. Is there a camera behind me? I don’t wanna make sure.
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I’m only gonna show it to you. It’s not twenty twenty. How did I do, Joe? Is that your ATM PIN code? Yeah.
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That’s weird. I’m skeptical because I’ve got that PIN code in the mail. You know?
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He’s calling his bank right now and be like, yo, do you know this? Has this guy been playing the long game?
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No comment. Interesting. Interesting.
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I’m trying to
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avoid criminal yeah. So I want everyone to know that was correct. Right? That is you in 2020.
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Yeah. That was correct.
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Your wife of sixteen years doesn’t know it. Now I do.
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It’s 2020 not. It’s just because that’s the year I moved here. It wasn’t ai I think
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I know you think that’s the case. No.
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That’s a % the case. That’s exactly what it is. What do you meh, you know, I think that’s the case? You said a four digit number and I was like, oh, the date I moved here.
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Right.
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2020. Perfect.
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I hear you.
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You don’t believe meh.
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It’s not that I don’t believe you. It’s that we got layers. So, like, we’re peeling through, and I know why you think you picked it. And I know that you think you gave me no information. But I’m telling you that good luck finding out how in the world could I have found out your ATM PIN code. You said nobody knows this.
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That informed what I did. So had you thought of a different number of your Social Security, you wouldn’t have said twenty twenty.
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But that ATM PIN code is one that was assigned to me by the bank, and I never changed it.
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Right.
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So I didn’t pick it.
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That’s even better, isn’t it? Had you picked it, I ai looked this up. That’s actually, to me, more of a standard.
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You could get it from the bank because the bank is the one that fucking sent it to me.
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If, I guess man, if I have broken into your bank account, there are bigger things at play than this podcast, I feel. I don’t
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keep a lot of money in that account.
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What watch this. Watch this. How many UFC fights do you think you’ve seen in person or commentated?
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Boy, I don’t even know. I really don’t know.
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Well, what UFC number are we on?
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UFC two two what is it?
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2 20234
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or something? What is it at now? Two thirty five is the next one?
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But each fight has an undercard. You got the you got the title fight. You got as
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many as 15 ai. Right? Or as few
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Three. Three. Three 16.
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What is it?
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Three sixteen.
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UFC three sixteen is now?
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Coming up on June 7.
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What did I say? Two?
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Yeah. I was thinking twos for a second.
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What is it?
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Did we have 300 already?
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Oh, you know what I’m think I’m confusing podcast numbers. We’re in the 2,000.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. That’s what it is. A lot of podcasts.
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UFC. Yeah. That’s so it’s UFC three what? Three sixteen. Three 16. 10 fights per So Ai haven’t been on all those cards, but I started commentary wise in 2021, and, just as a post fight interviewer in ’97. So ’97, I did it for two years, not as many shows. And then ram 02/2001, I used to do 20 a year. I used to do a lot.
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I was doing most of them. I would say thousands of fights.
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Thousands. Right?
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So Probably.
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Watch this. Because I love that I like the way you think and I like that you’re skeptical because I’m a huge skeptic. Mhmm. I’m always the one calling BS on this.
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Okay. Right?
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That’s how I’d be that’s how I started doing it. If you think through all your fights and you go back in ai, and they need to know this is spontaneous. This is impulsive. You have not thought of this before this moment, have you? Right. I want you to stop and start thinking of different fighters, past or present.
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Mhmm.
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Could be somebody huge, could be a legendary figure, could be somebody more under the radar. Okay. Maybe you’ve had them on a podcast, maybe you haven’t. Watch. Make sure you think I’m not guiding you. The same way you said 2020, but I said that I would have said that no matter what.
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Let someone jump into your mind right now that you’ve definitely seen one of his, I guess, or her fights.
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Okay.
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Bam. I’m not guessing it. I don’t care. Tell us. Was it a specific fight you saw this person in or you just sai in the fighter?
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Just seeing the fighter. No.
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No. Go to a specific fight of that person. Try to, like, contextualize ai. Or change to a different fighter right now if you feel like you need to.
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Maybe. Let me think. Let me think.
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See, Joe’s not gonna wanna change. And now that I said that
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I’m trying to get it crafty.
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Yeah. Get crafty. Move along here.
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Are you gonna come up with the name of it?
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I’m not coming up with anything. Ai wanna see how your mind worked. I’m only doing this because you told me I would have said twenty twenty no matter what. You think that you had the thought regards to what I did, and I want you to see that there’s causality. Boom. Do it now.
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Who just came into your head?
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Okay.
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Tell us. I’m not guessing. Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva. Legendary. Right? Yes. Did he win or lose that fight?
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He won.
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He won that ai.
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Yes.
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How many people did you go to? So funny you said Anderson Silva. Legendary guy. How many people did you think of before you landed on him?
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Oh, I don’t know. I would it’s Yes. Scrolled the Rolodex. They just all went flying through my mind.
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Just give me a guess. How many times did you Dozens. Dozens?
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Yeah. They just all went flying through my head. Dozens. Yeah.
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If you had to put a number on it and you actually count them, how many do you think we went through? Guess.
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I mean, let’s be conservative and say for, like, 14. Let’s sai not even say dozens.
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He was the fourteenth fighter that popped in your head?
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No. He was in there. He was in the mix. He was
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in the mix. I was
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just trying to figure out which one to pick. I was gonna get one with a crafty Russian name. Should’ve.
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It’s one of those Chechens.
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Yeah.
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Alright. No. 14 people went through your head Anderson Silva. I it’s do you think that at some point in this week, you heard something that got that in the back of your head that made you say that now? Do you think there’s any way that that could happen?
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No. I don’t believe so.
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You don’t. Right?
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No. I don’t believe so. I’ve just been a huge fan of his forever. I I don’t think something popped up that made me think
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about him. I’m just curious. Okay. No trick. I’m just curious why that happened. Yeah. Where do you go from here?
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Going with this?
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Where are you
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going with this?
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I don’t know where I’m going. You don’t know? I do.
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Okay.
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But I’m not telling you yet.
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Oh, okay.
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No, Joe’s flummoxed. He’s ai, where do we go?
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No. I mean, like, I don’t know why you asked me the question if you don’t have a resolution.
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Oh, I’m not guessing it. I want to see where you thought of why it came to your mind. There there will be a reason. I don’t wanna explain it yet, but you’ll see.
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Okay. Yeah. There’ll be a reason why it
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came in my mind? I think there is. Yeah.
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What’s the reason?
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Well, I don’t I don’t wanna tell you yet. I’m selling a sizzle, not the steak.
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So these techniques that you use Uh-huh. Are these ones that you’ve invented or these ones? A lot
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of them. Yeah.
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Yeah. And how did you invent them?
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How did they come to you? I think, my favorite form of entertainment ai far is stand up comedy. Like, straight up, I’m a fanboy of comedians. Like, not the people that do what I do because that’s I just love watching how you can take any premise and stuff that’s not funny. Right?
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The people that really go, you know, you just ai, Andrew Schulz, the you Ai, did you watch his?
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I haven’t seen it yet.
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You haven’t seen it? No. So how do you take infertility, right, and just it’s not really a very funny subject and make it it’s incredible. No. He’s amazing. He’s sai good. So good. And so I like the fact that how you invent that. So I design with an end in sight. I say, what do I want people to remember about what I do? Because I’m not really in the business of fooling you, honestly, and, like, entertaining you.
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All of those are side effects. What do I think I do for a living? I create memorable moments, which is very definable because if you go see a movie let’s sai you see a popcorn flick. You walk out of the movie theater, ten minutes, like, what what what happened in the movie? I ai know. I don’t know. It was fun. I don’t know.
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That to me is a %, like, the death of my show. You leave and you will remember things, hopefully, for years to come. And that’s because I can rework your memory. That’s really a lot of the techniques I do. People think that your memory is infallible, that what you see is some sort of blueprint, like a video Mhmm. And it’s not.
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It it it has to do with how you feel in the moment, the emotions, the things you can position, the same way hypnosis works. So I can kind of engineer memories in a certain way, the way people remember things, the way they think, and create those moments that people talk about hopefully for years, and that’s what’s been, you know, I guess, that’s what’s been the driver of my business and what’s helped helped lead to my success.
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Engineering memories. Mhmm. And And when you first started getting into mentalism, is that the word to use for it? Mentalism? Yeah. You’re a mentalist, but do you
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call it mentalism? I guess so. Yeah. Mentalism.
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Did you know that, or is it something that
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no? I learned it. I learned you know what? I learned certain things, and I observed them, and I didn’t understand why they they happened. Do you ever have that? Do you ever have a moment in a set where you say it’s something that you didn’t think was funny but got a huge laugh? Mhmm.
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Did you know do you have that or do you always know?
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Sure. Because
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it’s it’s usually not the punch. It’s ai, I didn’t know that would be funny right then.
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Oftentimes with a new bit. Yeah. Right? You don’t exactly know where it’s funny.
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29:30
Where the beats arya? What was the word I said in this way? What was that inflection point? So when I was, doing restaurants, I had this trick where I would have somebody pick a card out of a deck of cards. Right? They would put the card back in the deck. They sign it with their name, and I used to do this at a bunch of restaurants.
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They would shuffle up the deck. I give them a rubber band. I sai, rubber band that bad boy. And I would take the deck, and I would throw it at the ceiling. It’s kind of a famous trick.
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And then boom, the ceilings were really high at all the restaurants I worked at, so no we could speak now. Their card would be stay stuck to the ceiling. And this was great for multiple ways. One, everybody talks about it. And they’re like, dude, this guy stuck my card to the ceiling. How does he do that?
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They would also bring people back to the restaurant. You ai cha ching cha ching. My the managers love me because we bring more people back to see it and point it where their card was. Ai? Business one zero one.
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And so I create a great value proposition to the manager. Why am I there? I’m, you know, getting you guys more customers.
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Right.
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But one time, I’m listening to people that came back in, and they’re talking about the trick. And they go, yo, ram. I picked a card. I I put it back in the deck, and and I shuffled it up. And next thing I know, I look at the ceiling, and my card’s on the ceiling. And I’m like, yo. That’s not what happened. I threw the deck up. The deck fell down, and then the card was on the ceiling.
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So I go, why did that guy misremember it? Right? Maybe he’s just drunk, maybe whatever, but I’m trying to understand ai did he have a different memory of the same event. And what I realized is that people observe what you have them focus on. Ai? Tony Robbins has a great bit where he goes, right ai, close your eyes.
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Tell me everything that’s green in this room. And you’re ai, green? I don’t you know? But then when you open your eyes, I see that the UFO lights are green instantly. But I sai, close your eyes again. What’s purple in this room?
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I’m like, I didn’t look for purple. You find what you’re looking for. So if I didn’t say it it took me a while to, like, iterate and figure it out. But if I don’t look up when I throw the cards, when I would throw the cards up and let them fall back down on my hand and not look up, the percentage would go 90% that afterwards, people, when they told the story, they edited.
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They clipped out the part of me throwing this the the the deck, and now it becomes a miracle. How the hell is that card on the ceiling stuck? You mean you shuffled it, it was signed, it’s on the ceiling? That went from being a good trick to a miracle. And I kinda learned that at about age 15, and I started to realize, how do I do that with everything I do?
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31:41
Because that’s a life hack for everything you do. That’s not magic. That’s life. How do you get people to remember what you want and forget the things you don’t want? Wow. That’s how you achieve success. You start to highlight your strengths.
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31:57
You you find ways, and that’s a learnable skill. That’s not something for magic. That’s something in all of life.
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What and what is it, like, when you’re thinking this, when you’re thinking I’m gonna get people to remember something,
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like, how how
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do you how are you doing this? Like, what’s your intention when you’re trying to devise, like, what to what to do?
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32:13
Well, I guess I guess meh intention well, at the end of the day, I’m a competitive SOB. I wanna be the best in the world at what I do. Like, I’m driven by that. It’s like Olympic gold medalist. Like, I wanna do the best things possible. Most people don’t know what a mentalist is.
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32:24
You go on the street, hundred people, how many people are gonna say, yeah? I have a
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saloni, ATM card.
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32:31
Leave that for the end, You
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wanna try it again?
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32:33
Not yet. No. I don’t like to do the same thing. I gotta do bad stuff.
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See it again, though. I wanna see if you could do it again.
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32:38
Alright. Before we go, how about that? Not right now. We’re we’re we’re in flow.
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Okay. Okay. But I’m trying to throw you off. You could.
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32:46
Listen. I don’t get it right every time. That’s the other part. A magic trick works every time. This doesn’t. I’ve eaten it on live national TV.
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Really?
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With millions of people watching. Yeah, man. There’s there’s no safety net. Like, it’s not a trick. There’s not a cartridge where you put it in, I find it. There’s not like that.
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33:00
So how are you doing it?
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33:01
Well, I mean, I’m telling you, I don’t read minds. I read people. I’ve got a whole host of different skills, algorithms, you name it, like misdirection. It’s all a wheelhouse of skills that I’m using to create the impression that I can read your mind.
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But this has gotta be a weird thing to know how to do. Weird, like, in a
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33:18
bad way or a good way?
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Definitely a good way. Yeah. But weird to, like, you have, like, an extra frequency I agree. That you’re tuning into with humans. Like, you’re experiencing life in a different way because you’re experiencing life through this understanding of, like, thought patterns.
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It’s you know what the best way half. Do you remember in Born Ai? The first ai, like, one of the scenes where he loses memory and he walks in the restaurant. Do you remember that scene? And he’s sitting at a diner. Do you remember that one?
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I don’t.
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33:46
He sits there and he turns and he goes he doesn’t remember who he is. And he goes, why do I know? And I’m gonna massacre this quote. But I why do I know that that guy’s two fifty can handle himself in a fight? Why do I know this? Why do I know that right now I could run for two and a half miles before my core temperature goes down to this?
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Like, he it’s like this amazing superhero spy moment of, like, how the hell does he know all that stuff? So he’s observing life at a much more hyper focused level than most people are. Most people are dialed in at autopilot. If you could Mhmm. Set a speaker to autopilot and here’s what you’re observing, I don’t do it in my day to day life. It requires focus. It’s not the sai.
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It’s kinda like, I guess I don’t know. I don’t lift weights. I just run. But how much focus is required to try to do, you know, the large bench press you ever done? I assume that you have to get psyched up.
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You have to focus. You have to do everything right for that to work. Just sai analogy. But for me, when I’m performing, you asked me why did I run 27 miles this morning? That dials in my mind.
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Like, I’m focused where I thought through everything I’m gonna do today. I’m it’s it’s a laser focus. That got me kind of in tune. I could also have not run, but, that that’s that’s I’m also away from home, so that was, like, my joy.
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So when you’re, like, putting together a shah, when you’re gonna do a show Mhmm. How do you structure it? Like, how do you when like, day one, you’re ai, okay. I’m getting ready to do a show.
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36:46
You mean something on TV or, like, what I do for a living? Like like Or
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either one. Any kind of show you’re doing.
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36:52
So for my day to day living, which is I do a lot of, like, really big corporate events, and then I do, you know, I guess, a lot of private parties, things of that sort, performances, like live performances. Mhmm. Typically, I I structure it the same way I think anybody would. I wanna go out the gate very strong. I sana to very instantly establish credibility.
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37:10
Who am I? What do I do? Am I any good at it? And why should you be paying attention to me? Because all those questions off the jump is ai, who the hell cares? I always go into it with who cares what you can do. You’re special. I don’t care.
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37:22
I like the thought of I’m gonna prove to you that this is something incredible and that it’s something you’re interested in emotionally. Right? If I told you just make a random number up, who cares? But now it’s gonna haunt you that that’s your freaking ATM PIN code. So I prefer that.
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37:35
So I do something very quick that freaks you out, and then every single thing needs to have a very clear premise. Like, I call it clarity of effect. I don’t like a trick where I’m like, get a book, get a Rubik’s cube, get the like, it’s too confusing. You need to be able to explain to a six year old what I did in one sentence for it to be memorable. That’s the key.
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The best things you’ve ever seen are typically stuff you can describe in one max, two sentences. And for TV for TV, it’s the same same exact thing, but I would like to do new stuff. So I have done a lot of TV appearances, and I always structure it based on who’s watching. So rather than it being about me and Ai me saying, oh, look what I can do and look how cool this is. Right? You do a card trick.
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Again, I’m not saying that’s not amazing, but the card trick’s about you, typically. If I’m on ESPN and I’ve, you know, done hundreds of millions of views doing stuff for football players, You’re watching this. You’re a football fan. You’re ai, who cares about this guy? I’m gonna do stuff about football players and about what interests you if you’re a fan.
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38:36
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen I did a clip with Joe Burrow from the Bengals, where I said, Joe, I ever spoken to you a word in my ai? He goes, no. Like, I honestly, the funny thing about that is I wasn’t even supposed to use him in the show. They told me he’s shy. You don’t sana like, don’t use him in the show. And they sai, if you can’t avoid him, and I got in there.
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38:52
I tried to rile up the gang, you know, kind of peer pressure. And I’m like, should we get Joe in here? And they’re like, yeah. Get him up. Haven’t spoken a word to this guy in my life. There’s no access. I mean, I went in with ESPN.
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39:01
Shout out to Adam Shafter, who I love, who set all these wheels in motion. But Joe stands up, doesn’t know me from anyone, and I say every wide receiver and tight end in the room stand up. And I go, what if I could tell you who you’re gonna throw that ball to? What’s that worth? Right? That’s the holy grail.
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If you’re in football, I go catch the ball quarterback. I ai, look at everyone in this room, and now look at me. And I wrote on a huge, huge thing. Showed the camera, throw it to anybody you sana, throws it, got the first one right. I go, let’s do it again.
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39:31
I go, throw it to anyone you want. Anyone I go, anyone. Throws it, got the second one right. Everyone’s freaking out. I go, one last play.
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39:38
One ai is luck. And I write fakes to Jamar. You go watch the clip. It’s most viral thing I’ve ever done. And he fakes it to Jamar, turns around, throws it to another ai. Nailed it exactly. Just and you just see his face.
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39:51
And so I was thinking about how I would do that for two years. Two years of thinking of every single way that could work, not work, go wrong. Everything about it was you know, he thought I went in the room, ram it’s so simple. That was two years of me thinking about it during every run.
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40:08
So for two years, you knew you were gonna do this or you knew that you were
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I I arya with the end. You asked me the same way. I don’t know how you, like, form a set, but you asked me how do I design. I was designing with the story people would tell. And so if you don’t know who I am, don’t know anything, go, yo, we saw this guy. Did you see this guy? Here’s Joe Burrow to throw the ball to any people. Throws it, gets it right. Throws it.
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40:29
Like, the story is Ai told the quarterback anybody he would throw the ball to.
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40:32
So it was any quarterback. It wasn’t Joe Burrow in your head?
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40:36
Well, I didn’t know who would be.
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But he said you could do it for two years. So for two years, you thought you’re gonna be on ESPN and with a quarterback?
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40:41
Well, no. So I had he was the second season. So when I first started it, I I start brainstorming. I’m like, I can’t control what thoughts come in. I’m constantly thinking about what I’m gonna do. And I I just do notes apps. I write stuff down in the shower. Like, when I run is when I come up with stuff and in the shower. Sometimes on airplanes, but I sleep on planes. But that’s when it hits me. Mhmm.
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41:00
Like, where are your where are your bursts? You must have, like, where are you getting material?
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Mostly late at ai. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But sometimes driving.
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41:08
Driving? You don’t do phone calls or anything?
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I mean, phone calls, I’m usually concentrated on talking to people. Yeah. They’re they’re not the times where ideas come to me. A lot of times it’s driving with no music
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on. Wow. Yeah. I I’m never
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in the car by myself ever. Oh, really?
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41:26
Mm-mm. Family. But yeah. Five kids.
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41:29
Oh, wow. Yeah. Ai driving to work. Yep. You know, usually, that’s when it comes to me.
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41:34
Yeah. Ai I’m in New York City, so there’s sauna. Sauna. Sauna is good. Yeah. Because you can’t be on electronics.
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41:40
Right. Yeah.
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41:41
Yeah. The phones are a killer. The phones ai you zap any creativity or boredom. You need boredom.
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You do need boredom. Yeah. You need boredom for ideas to come to you for sure.
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41:49
Yep.
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Yeah. That’s the problem. But, essentially, with social media, it’s ai it’s a boredom. It it you are still bored, but you are occupied.
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41:57
Right. You don’t get to sit with it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Which I think is key because that’s when they ai of fire off. Yep. And I think that’s, you know, not to get into it, but, like, so many kids now have no way to deal with boredom. Yep. Like, it’s like panic. I gotta get my phone. I gotta you know, I got a whole feeling of I wish there was a way to do that. No.
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They’re just completely unaccustomed to not being constantly entertained. Right. And even entertained by nonsense, it’s not even really entertaining. It’s just distracting. Yeah. Which is a big part of it.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So you sat out for two years prepping this thing.
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42:32
No. I didn’t sit out. I was just always thinking. It’s like a Right.
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I meh, but, you know, you set out. I should sai, meh out in your mind. You had this idea in your head for two years.
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42:40
How do I do it? Yeah.
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42:41
How do you do it? How do you do it?
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42:43
That’s that that that was the question because I didn’t know how to do it at first. How did you do it? Million dollar question. Right? I wouldn’t be in business if everybody knew. That’s kinda
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42:52
Well, okay. Even better. How did you learn how to do this ai of thing?
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42:56
So I I started with books, and then there’s some videos, but it’s a very esoteric
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43:01
tell you that’s applicable?
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43:02
They give you a a series of foundational things. Like, right almost everybody who becomes a mentalist starts a magician. It’s kinda like if you’re a doctor, you gotta be a doctor before you become a plastic surgeon. Mhmm. So there’s this core set of skills that you utilize to to know how to fool people. Right? To know how people think.
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Okay.
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Ai? Think about you. If I taught you a card trick right now, there’s always a level of deception. We oh, that’s ai of hand. Well, not even there’s tricks called self working tricks where you don’t need to do any slight of hand. Okay. They work by themselves as long as you follow the instructions, like IKEA furniture, like step one, step two, step three.
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43:35
As long as you can work people in a certain way to do the right thing versus some of ai, I’m not doing that. You’re like, oh, shit. What do I do right now? Right? You have to know how to finesse people. You have to influence people effectively.
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43:46
And so that same stuff within magic almost always applies to props. You need a thing to do the trick. Okay. Now it could be a regular deck of cards, in which case you’re learning ai, but also there’s gimmicks. Right?
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43:59
There’s tricks you can buy at stores, which when I was a kid, I’m like, oh, teenager. I’m like, get me the next gimmick. But then to get better, you start being able to do stuff impromptu. Right? That’s when you kinda hit another level where I don’t need stuff.
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44:10
I can do stuff with anything. You know? I could do stuff. It’s like a I guess, a good story for my book that I’m writing right now, but it’s ai where where, I I just needed anything around. I was ai, like, I end up in jail for a weekend. That’s a long story.
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44:22
But, like, in jail, one weekend, stupid weekend, but I walk in there by myself, and I I should’ve been out that day. But, anyway, I got stuck all weekend. And I watched them with cards, and it was like I had trained my whole life for this moment where I walked up record scratch to, like, 40 dudes.
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And I go, can I see those cards? And it was ai everyone looked at me like, what’s this guy about to do? And I just did card tricks for the next eight hours. When I went to take a shower, I’m like, am I I’m like thinking of the show Oz. I’m like, oh my god right now. I take I had protection. I went to the shower, Macosta County Jail in in Michigan.
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44:54
And literally, I had people being like, go take a shower. We got you, bro.
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What did you go to jail for?
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45:00
Sai stupid. So we had this is so dumb. This almost derailed my whole career. Drunken idiots, I go up to visit a buddy in college, and we steal from a Papa John’s. God, don’t ask me ai, a broken phone at a college Papa John’s, just being idiots. I paid for the pizza, but there was a broken phone on the counter.
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And, you know, this is ai me slight of hand style. I’m like, I’m just stealing this thing. Ai just gone. And it was in my jacket. And then I told my buddies, you guys gotta get something too.
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So they go in the bathroom, which doubles up as the employee locker ram, and they take three dirty shirts, dirty shirts from a laundry bin, and we bring them back to my buddy’s house like idiots. We wear them. And we at the party, I barely remember this. I was, like, ai out drunk, are ai, Papa John’s, who wants a pizza? Who wants a pizza?
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45:43
I end up going to sleep ai his futon, right, at, like, 2AM. And at 4AM, someone comes in and they’re ai, yo, the cops are here. I’m like, dude, it’s not my house. What do you want from me?
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Guys post videos?
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45:54
No. This is pro social media, man. No. No. Somebody ratted us out. Somebody’s roommate I found this out way later. Oh. Call and goes, yo, bro. There’s a bunch of dudes here with a broken phone from Papa Ai. I didn’t know any of this. But somebody comes in. They’re ai, yo, the cops are here.
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I’m like, they’re here for you. And I’m like, here for me? What do you mean they’re here for me? I don’t live here. And cops come in the room, and I’m wearing, like, aggressively small underwear at this point. This is, like, tighty whities.
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46:17
This couldn’t have been more of, like, a bad perp walk. And I they go, yo, you’re under arrest. And I’m like, for what? And they’re like, for stealing from Papa John’s. And what am I gonna say? I’m wearing the shirt.
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Oh my god.
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46:30
This is on a Friday night. How old were you? I was 20 years old, and I was just about to get an internship for Merrill Lynch. And while this story is hilarious now, and it’s ai a funny chapter in my book, it was like, god help me. Did I avoid everything? And then when I went to jail, yo, scariest one of the scariest days of my life because it’s
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it’s How did you get out of everything?
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46:50
So So I got out of everything because I had a clean record. I was pretty upstanding citizen. And, you know, not to get in the weeds or something called Holmes Youthful Trainee Act. I don’t know if they still have it. Whereas expunged for my record, didn’t have to report it to, like, the Wall Street firm, and they also said they were charging me.
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47:04
They put us in, like, a drunk tank, me and two buddies, and they said they’re charging us with felony larceny. And I’m I I’ve seen some, like, law and order. I’m like, saloni? What it’s just ai, what do we steal? Like, $20 worth of stuff.
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47:15
They go, but you stole things they don’t sell. Had you tyler $999 of pizza, it would have been a misdemeanor. And I know they’re lying to me. I’m not a mentalist then, and I’m inebriated, but I can read the room. Didn’t say a word, knew this was BS, and then they separate us when we went to general population.
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Uh-huh.
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47:33
And it’s not like the movies. Right. You know, it’s it’s ai it was it was wild. It was wild when I went in there, and I just knew this is my cheat code. It was like everything in life had prepared me for this moment. And the jail was also again, I Ai didn’t know this, but it’s very segregated. Like, the white dudes are here. The black dudes are here.
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47:49
And I didn’t know what what do you do when you go in? Like, what do you do? I’m five foot nothing. I’m, like, a buck forty dripping wet. What do I do? How do you make friends right now?
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47:58
And and I see the black guys play in spades, and I just walk up, and it’s like you make your move. And I’m like, let me see those cards. And it was just it’s it’s like a moment I have and I didn’t stop for hours. And I didn’t repeat a trick. Like, I know tricks encyclopedically.
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48:11
I just go all day.
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48:14
Wow. What an experience.
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48:17
It’s crazy. That’s wild. And then it was all thrown out and, cost me some money. It was definitely a very, very stressful few weeks, and I never stole anything since. Honestly, that was scared straight. That was very, very smart. Like, I you prefer to learn a lesson like ai, for my kids especially, without being stupid.
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48:32
But sai many just have to be stupid to internalize a lesson of touching the stove, and I had to burn my hands. But
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48:38
Did you always talk this way the way you talk? You talk very fast
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48:41
with a
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48:42
lot of energy. Just your whole life?
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48:44
I think so. Even though, man, anyone on 1.5 x, the way I listen to podcast, is gonna be miserable with me. But yeah. Maybe that’s it.
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48:51
Like, you’re listening to podcast at that speak. You’re communicating at that speed. Yes. It’s ai you’re on.
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48:57
I’m on.
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48:58
And you ran 27 fucking miles.
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49:00
That’s true. No caffeine. So I’m not a caffeine guy.
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49:02
You don’t drink caffeine at all?
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I try to avoid it. Like, I’m not a coffee guy. I missed the boat on coffee. I honestly wish I did. Ai probably wouldn’t be good for me given how dialed in I ram. But, like, I just never started drinking caffeine, so I never got into it.
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49:15
Do you ever mess with any stimulants?
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49:17
Not really.
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No. Not really? What does that mean?
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49:19
Like, what do you mean by sai like, I’ll have Like anything. If I don’t sleep Yeah. And that happens a lot. So if I’m not, like, getting enough speak, and I’ve done a red bryden, and I’m this and that, I will occasionally do, like, a Celsius or Meh Bull, but I don’t really like it.
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49:31
I do it kind of as medicine because I have
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to be
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alive and functioning, but I really try to avoid it.
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49:36
Because What is it like when you get hit with a Celsius and you haven’t been drinking any caffeine?
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49:41
So I only drink about a third of it, and then I pour it out. And and my kids are always, like, why are you pouring that out? And they call everything a brewski, which is a weird thing to call it. Just because before, I always, like it was always, like, a brewski is what they they’ve they’ve extrapolated to every beverage in a can being a brewski.
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That’s hilarious. That’s funny.
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50:00
And so But
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one third just, like, must choke you.
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50:02
Do more than that. Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, if you drink a Four Loko.
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I did Four Loko have booze in it? Yo. Four Loko’s are like Ai what yeah.
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That’s what I’m thinking. Yeah. I was like But it has, like, caffeine too. Right?
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50:13
That’s ai bad decisions in a can right there.
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Yeah. Like, what am I thinking of? Oh, a meh line. Is that the one?
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50:18
No. I think it’s Four Loco. It’s caffeine mixed with alcohol.
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50:20
One that’s, like, was just caffeine. It was fucking crazy.
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That was the stuff to ai, like, pre workout that was fucking people up.
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50:25
Was that a red line?
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Ai like that.
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50:27
Oh, there was that that was the other one. That was, Rip Fuel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you’ve always been like this?
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50:36
Ai, meh wife. I think so. Ai I’m more on now because we’re doing something. But if I go on certain platforms of TV and I know I wanna be slow, then I’ll just calibrate down. But I’m getting fired up.
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50:47
Do you when you plan out a show, whether it’s sai corporate show or a television show, do you have, like, a whiteboard? Do you, like, put your ideas on? Like, how do you how do you do it?
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50:56
Sai I I take meticulous notes about everything. Everyone I meet, everything at the end of a shah, immediately, if as quickly as I can afterwards. Probably some people record shows. I hate rewatching myself on corporate shows and, like, live shows.
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51:09
Sure.
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51:10
I don’t mind TV stuff. But for some reason, those, if I’ve repeated material because I’ve you know, it’s like muscle meh, you’ve done this before. It irks me to watch again. But I write down everything that happened. Every nuance, ai, paragraphs about everything that happened, which is a useful, like, life hack because I remember it all, but also I get repeat bookings a lot.
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51:27
So if somebody brings me back, now it’s ai a real magic trick where I know everything about what happened. And if you even just recount stuff from two years ago, people think you have superhuman meh. Or what are they like? People’s number one subjects are themselves, their family, and their friends.
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51:43
The more you can do that and give them back stuff about them, the more they’re ai, wow, what a caring individual. Right? Being a good listener, a lot of times just repeating back to people what they just said.
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51:53
Right. Right. When you do these corporate shows and you do these television shows, when it goes great, do you have this idea in your head, like, now I’ve gotta ramp it up? Now I’ve gotta push it even further? Now I’ve gotta make it even more difficult for me?
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52:11
For sure. For TV more than corporate. Because corporate’s not as big of a deal because what does somebody want there? They want a defined quantity. Right? They don’t want somebody you don’t want to work out new material if you’re being paid a lot. It’s just it’s at a stadium. Are you doing new ones? Right.
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52:27
Like, you’re gonna do your hour. You’re gonna do what’s solid. So I do a lot of vatsal. And the problem is Ai don’t really have a lot of places where I can do new material because I’m I’m just so busy. So I have so many events that Ai I I don’t really have, like, anything that I Yeah.
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52:41
They’re ai open mics for mentalists where you can go and practice.
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52:43
There might have been in the past, but right now, it’s not it’s just not where I’m at.
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52:47
Sai you just practice on friends sometimes and
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52:49
people Everything’s in my head. Everything. Meh. Ai I a lot of things I’ll I’ll do on TV, I’ve never done before ever.
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52:56
Really? Yeah. So I’m
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just thinking through everything that could go wrong, and I go through kinda like a list of what could go wrong here, what could go wrong here, what if they think this right there, what if we change this. Ai have, like, plan a, b, c, d, e. I have just a long list of what everything will go, like a pick your own adventure.
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53:12
And, typically, I know where to go with it. And then controlling your body and your tension is everything. Right? So you’re a hunter. You step on a branch.
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53:25
Animal hears it. What happens? Right? Gone. Right? It’s a it’s a it’s a sense that we can feel. We have the same thing. We’re animals.
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53:31
If I get tense when something’s going wrong, you can sense it. Even if you don’t know it on a conscious level, you can sense
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it.
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And now we have a cascade. So my job is is based upon me being someone of the alpha and being in control of the situation. And so if I right. Think about it. If I just sai, think of your PIN code. You’re like, I don’t want to. Right? I don’t want to.
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53:51
I’m sana do this instead. I’m a do this instead. Ai? How did you acquiesce to my will? You did what I wanted in essence. Right?
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53:58
We could manipulate any way, but at the end of the day, you did what I wanted.
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54:01
Right.
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54:02
And in my show, I’m the one pointing the camera. I’m always the director. You don’t get to point where you sana. I’m kind of in charge. And even if I let you think you’re in charge, I’m still in charge at the end of the day. Right. Right? I come to my kids. I want them to eat veggies. I don’t say you gotta eat your veggies. They’ll say no. I go, you’re so lucky right now. Carrots, cucumbers, or peppers? Which one?
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54:21
You’re so lucky. You get to choose first before your brother or sister. Now I’ve framed it differently. Right? Anybody who has toddlers knows that’s the best way to do it. Don’t go straight on. That’s not gonna work. Right. So the same thing ai.
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54:33
Power dynamics in relationships with people. So I I got lost in my train of thought. But in essence, if I am messing up and you know it, it’s gonna go downhill really fast. And so on TV, some of my biggest mess ups, you don’t know. But I am shitting my pants, flop sweat, like, fully, and I can’t let you see that.
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54:52
I need to be so calm because if I am not calm, you can actually you can actually tyler. And it’s gonna keep going worse, and I can’t get you to go back to what I ai, and I’ve lost control of the situation. Mhmm. So years and years were spent doing that. It’s it’s I would say it’s very akin to a sniper. I’m I’m not a sniper. Don’t get me wrong.
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I’m not military. But how do you calm your heart rate? How do you stay calm even when you’re not? And I I could have an HRM on me. I’m calm when things
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are going wrong. Ai must help. The running must help for that.
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I think so. Control
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your heart rate. Low heart rate. Just in control of it as well. Right? Ai, your your heart muscles very finely tuned.
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Yeah. I think it helps. I mean, it can hurt.
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It does. Yeah. My friend, Cam Haines
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Yep.
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Who also runs these crazy ultra marathons, He’s also the best bow hunter in the world, and bow hunting is a lot of it is controlling your anxiety at the moment of the shot execution. And I would imagine for him, his heart rate is, like, completely under control all the time because he’s always, like, very low.
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You ai, he’s because he
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does so many ai, like, everything he could stay calm. It’s probably a really great tool just for staying calm. Right?
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I think so. I I mean, I the way I describe the ultra meh is because they’re silly. Right? You he just ran Ai love ram. Ran 250 miles. You see that thing? Amazing. That’s a crazy thing to do. That’s not healthy, and I’m a nutcase who can say that. And for most people, they’re like, I don’t wanna do that, and you don’t need to. But what is that? What is that really?
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When you do that, everything else in life becomes easier. Mhmm. The lows that you experience when you do something like that is a way you cannot fake in any other way. You cannot test who you really are than putting yourself you could be on the couch saloni, what would I do and be tough guy and you pretend to be Goggins or Haines.
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But until you get in that level where you’re miserable, you haven’t slept in a day, you have all vatsal, there might be another way to push yourself, but that’s where you learn who am I really at my core. And then when you go back to normal life, everything else, the volume is turned down.
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And when I come back from those races, all I do is get a mirror to put up to see who am I really when things are at their lowest and when I wanna quit and I don’t.
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Yeah. I think that’s that’s a very strong statement. I think one of the things that you just said there, I’ve said a bunch of tyler, is that if you can work out really hard and push your body and push your mind, it makes other forms of adversity that you face during the day much easier.
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And I think that’s one of the reasons why so many people are so filled with anxiety. It seems like that’s such a simple solution that most people don’t wanna accept it. Like, oh, there’s more to that. There’s a mental imbalance. There’s a there’s a this, there’s that, like, perhaps.
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But everybody that I know that does what I’m talking about, everybody I know that pushes themselves very hard in the gym or running or doing yoga or whatever, They’re the most happy and the most relaxed, and they’re able to face adversity throughout the day much easier than people that don’t take care of their body, that don’t eat well, that don’t exercise, and don’t experience any voluntary physical discomfort.
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Couldn’t agree more.
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It’s just I think it’s it’s I think it’s mandatory, you know. And it doesn’t have to be what I do or it doesn’t have to be what you do. It’s go find do pickleball. Okay? Go play some other speak, tennis. Do something that’s fun. Jiu Jitsu is a great one.
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Yeah.
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Because it’s fun to do, and then you learn how to do something while you’re working out. Muay Thai is another one like that. You know, there’s a lot of stuff that you can do that’s fun that’s ai, but, man, you should ai.
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You know? You gotta move your body. You gotta move your body. Again, I don’t wanna speak out of turn like medical, but they’ve shown over and over that exercise is just it’s almost as effective in certain regards and, like like, just being a certain level of healthiness than antidepressants.
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No. More Yeah. More effective. It’s unbelievable. Statistically clinically more effective.
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More effective.
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Yeah. Because it’s of course, it is. Of course, it is. Like, this is the reason why people are so filled with ai because your body has certain physical requirements. Right. Your body was designed to fight off predators and to run away from enemies and to hunt and gather food.
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That’s the same DNA as people that ai tens of thousands of years ago. Courses through your body. That’s or it’s the fabric of your body. That’s
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you. Right.
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You look you can’t deny that and there’s a reason why this this sedentary sort of generation that we’re experiencing right now because of phones and tablets and all the sitting in front of screens all the ai. It’s the most depressed.
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Right. No. For sure. Anxious too. Ai, the Jonathan Haydon, like, it’s it’s Yeah. It’s it’s wild, the correlation, and it’s just so clear cut. But, yeah, social media is very, it’s it’s it’s one of the things. There’s some benefits, but man, oh, man, you can’t put that genie back in the bottle.
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You gotta find the right way to do it.
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There’s some benefits in that. There’s a lot of inspiration.
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I agree.
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You know, and also information. You know, I’m not completely off of social media. Ai I’d tap in everywhere, but I’ve radically reduced it over the last month or so. And in doing that, it’s really been much meh ai. Like, life is way easier. But occasionally, I’ll find something really interesting on social media.
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So it’s like, boy, I don’t wanna not know that. I don’t wanna not, like, find out about some new scientific breakthrough or some new thing that’s going on. One of the things that I found that, helps me though is instead of social media, I just I just have a bunch of stuff that I curate in my Google News app.
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And so I’ll just, like, find like, any sort of scientific breakthrough or some weird discovery or a lot of really interesting things about ancient civilizations. I just have that stuff curated, so it just shows up on my feed.
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When do you get that on your phone?
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Right? Yeah. It’s just the Google News app. It’s great because it’s, like, that way Ai can find stuff out without having to go and just hopefully randomly run into it on x or on Instagram. Right. You know? That’s help that helps a lot.
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Terrible with x. A lot of my friends get news on x. I’m just like, oh.
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It’s too much negativity.
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It’s all a lot of negativity. And for Ram, for years, I started realizing that it just, like a compare and despair is one do you know that? Like Mhmm. Where I’m I’m like, why am I getting off of this and feeling worse than I did getting on it? And so I really had to flip a switch in my brain to to to I got rid of that.
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Anything that I don’t like, I don’t shah, and I stopped focusing on what I don’t have and what I focus on what I do have. And so if
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So did you, like, used to go to it and you see someone with a giant house sana a Lamborghini or something like that? Like, it was a material possession
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for shah? Material. It was Ai need to use I don’t look at people and hope poorly upon them. I look more at it and say Ai not doing enough. So it’s like a inferior. You’re always gonna be lesser than. Right? You’re always gonna be someone’s gonna be younger, richer, smarter, ai, every.
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But in my case, it was more of Ai wanted to achieve a level of success and just seeing other people in my field or other fields, and I felt like I’m not doing enough. Mhmm. I’m, you know, somewhat driven ambitious. So I’m like Right. I’m just not doing enough right now.
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And it’s that constant feeling of I’m not doing enough doesn’t drive you. It would be better to sai, look at them. I’m so happy for them. I’m gonna do that too. Like, I it should be a positive uplifting thing, and it’s a flip in your brain.
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It’s like multiplying negative one times negative one and much more of the inflection point of gratitude. Like, I I do do you know Jay Shetty? Jay, I don’t know. Podcaster. Really good dude.
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Ai I’ve definitely heard him.
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Met him last year, and he told me something very stuck with me for last year, which is million thoughts a day. We’re on social media. We’re all this that. He goes, the only two thoughts, you can’t control them all, but try to control two thoughts each day. The first one when you wake up and the last one you go to sleep. It’s that easy.
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Those two, just try to have the first thing you wake up be one, and before you go to bed, just have one last thought.
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Okay.
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And I it they’re always for me, it’s like, yo, I’m, everyday alive is a blessing. Like, I I literally I believe that in my core. You I don’t know what’s gonna happen tomorrow. Like, a a parent in my school just passed away recently. Shattered. Like, young kids, cancer. I’ve known a few people.
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And you see that, and you’re like, no. That’s for real, though. You don’t know what will happen tomorrow.
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Right.
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So I’ve hit the lottery. Like, I’m blessed beyond measure. Wife, way out of my league. Smart, gorgeous, sharp as a whip, five beautiful kids. Like, I try to focus on everything I have and never on what I don’t have. I get to do what I love for a living. Like, my mindset is completely evolved of why would I think of what people don’t. And everybody if you’re alive, you should be happy.
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You do not know what tomorrow will be. And I know that’s all, like, new age y whatever, but that’s you don’t know when your your your clocks up.
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We were just talking about that in the green room last night at the comedy club about gravid the the problem with gratitude is that too many people have co opted it.
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Right.
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And really annoying people. Annoying. Annoying, like, wooden beads types, you know, like gratitude. But gratitude is really important.
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But no. It’s it’s actually what you think because your thoughts create a lot of your reality. The same way I said looking around the ram. Mhmm. So if your mindset starts to become one more of rather than you see someone, you’re ai, screw that guy. He’s rich. Right? That’s how the mindset it’s easy for you to say they’re rich. You see that in comments all the time.
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Yep.
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I’m like, I think that person worked their butt off to get to where they are. Yeah. And what did they do? And you know what? That’s inspirational to me. What can I learn from that? And so that’s just a mindset of I don’t see it as a zero sum game.
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Well, it’s one thing that those people that post things like that have in common. When you go to their page, they’re all very boring.
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Right.
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It’s really interesting. You see, like, the expression of their dull mind. That’s like, fuck them. They got money. Right. I don’t have money. They got my it’s a dull brain. And I always wonder, like, what is it like to be that person? Is that person is that a biological hitch?
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Or is it just learned behavior? Like, what is it that makes them not stupid?
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I don’t know if it’s stupid. I I don’t know if it just but I think you project your insecurities.
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It’s a little bit of that, but it’s just it’s just clearly a stupid way to think. Right. You know, it does it’s totally not empowering, like, to complain about, someone else’s success or be angry about someone else’s success is not empowering in any way, shape, or form. And so that’s inherently stupid.
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But you find the excuses. Because you’re ai, if I had that if I had that Yeah. And rather than Must
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be nice.
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Well, exactly. Must be nice. Rather than saying, how do I do this for myself?
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Exactly.
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It’s much easier, especially if you’ve given up on certain things.
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Yeah.
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Now once you’ve given up, it’s better to make excuses and bring someone else down to try to bring you up.
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Well, here’s what’s dumb about it, and this is why I said it’s stupid. It doesn’t get any better when you think like that. Instead, if you can shift your focus and see someone doing something, recognize that these tinges of jealousy that you feel are completely vatsal, but realize that to get the most out of this, you have to switch that in your mind to inspiration.
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And that person’s success that’s ai of freaking you out now becomes fuel.
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Right.
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Now becomes fuel and you can motivate yourself, but you have to avoid the fuck that guy and fuck this, fuck that. That doesn’t help you at all. That does zero good for you. And in fact, it occupies all of your precious time with complaining when instead, if you can manage it and it can be managed, you can turn that into inspiration and then go out and try to do something.
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Either focus more on what you’re doing, realize maybe I’m doing this, where it’s not as efficient or maybe I can have more energy. Maybe I just need to do it more. Maybe I need to be a little bit more disciplined in my ai. Whatever it is, but those little shifts will have measurable changes in the outcomes. Huge huge changes.
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Major.
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Down the line. Especially the big one. Change jealousy to inspiration.
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Love that.
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You have to be able to do it. Right. It’s it’s a giant key. You know, I remember when I was, 21 years old, there was a guy who was going on stage, and I was hoping that he bombed. Right. I remember thinking that I was hoping that he bombed. And the reason Ai real ai it, I was realizing that I was recognizing that he was talented and that he was really funny and it bothered me that maybe I wasn’t as talented as him or wasn’t as funny as him.
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So instead of ai seeing him go, what is he doing? Ai, wow, this is great. Instead, now all of a sudden Ai was hoping that he failed.
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Right.
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And then I realized like, oh, here’s the problem. You first of all, that’s just ai general bitch thinking that, like, can enter into your head and you gotta figure out how to stop that. Yep. But I also realized that I was getting to this weird precarious position which happens to a lot of artists where you get into something whether it’s music or stand up comedy because you love it as a fan.
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You love watching it. Like, I loved comedy. But then Ai when I became a comedian, I stopped loving comedy. Now, I was comparing everyone to myself.
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Right. That’s brutal. Right?
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Yeah. And it’s not good for you. And I was like, no. No. No. You gotta go back to laughing at stuff that’s good and not connecting it to you at all. It has nothing to do with you. So when someone’s really good, that should be great. Right. And then you should be laughing. Even if you don’t like that person, you should be laughing. Right.
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Just you even if you hate someone and they’re funny, you should be laughing because it’s good for you.
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Yeah. And it’s I find that it’s over ai, it’s it’s it’s almost it’s selfish, but it’s selfless at the same time is I like to show love to people coming up as much as possible and try to highlight them and try to kind of pay it forward in a way
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Yeah.
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That’s for the new people that are ai of doing what I do, doing different things.
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It makes you feel good.
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It makes you feel good Right. To do good for others.
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Selfish to help people.
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Isn’t that funny?
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Ai say that too. I say it’s very funny we think that same. Yeah. I I think exactly the same way. It’s kind of selfish, but it’s also it’s that’s what community is supposed to be about. It’s supposed to be not just about you, and that’s the difference between community and a cult. Right.
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A cult is ai, then you have the cult leader, he starts bagging everybody’s ai, and he wants everybody’s money.
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There’s always an inflection point where you’re starting to bang ai. That’s always where is that in the culture. There’s always a message from God.
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Right. That tells you you need more pussy.
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And you’re ai, those two right there, I don’t know why. He didn’t I didn’t say it. I didn’t say it for the record. Yeah.
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He said it. God said it.
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And then always the part else is there’s always some sort of a end point. Like, the world’s gonna end, but it didn’t because we prayed so hard. So we’re back, baby.
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Yeah. Yeah. Those guys are great. There was a a billboard in Los Angeles a a while back that had the date of the end of the world. Right. And you drive by and Sai was like, I can’t wait to show up here and take a selfie in front of it the day after this fucking stupid date.
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Right. Because those guys are never right.
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Never right.
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The the that’s weird. They’re the worst mentalists. You know, the, The cult leaders? Yeah. Cult leaders, they just never see the writing on the wall.
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The cult leader has, like, a very unique where again, I there’s there’s a fine line between if you looked at a path in my ai. Again, I don’t see myself cult leader, but a a con man is very similar in many regards to what I do because that’s using these skills in what I would describe as, like, an unethical way.
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Right?
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But don’t you think they’re the same thing? A cult leader is a type of con man.
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Oh, I’m saying what I do is like a con man.
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Yeah. But you arya con man for entertainment purposes.
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Right. Exactly.
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It’s different. Ai, you you’re not you have an ai mind, but instead of using it in a you do it for entertainment Sure. Which is ai a good way to use it. For sure. Everybody gets happiness out of it.
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It’s happiness and you’re not lying about the premise, which is the premise is I’m starting from the jump. I’m not psychic. I’m not supernatural. People ask me, is this like a talent or is it a gift? And I think it’s similar. Well, yeah. I mean, you’ve gotta have some sort of thing in you to be a good comedian or a good musician or anything like that.
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You can work on it and get better, but I’m never going to the NBA. You know what I’m saying? That’s what I have. Have to have some attributes.
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Right. There’s like a personality trait that just is embedded in you from the time you’re young for whatever the thing is that you love to do.
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Maybe it was ai watching my folks. Maybe there was a lot of weird stuff. I was very good at math as a kid, like Mhmm. Unusually good at math. Mhmm. And I would do weird stuff. Like, I count steps every time. I knew every step in every place that I went to, like, some
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Rain man.
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Rain man stuff. And when I would go this is from the time I was, like, six. We go to Little Caesar’s. I’ll never forget. I lived in Meh Detroit. And before they rang up the food, I knew the percentage tax it would be. So when they did it, I would instantly say before Ai look and I know what my mom is gonna take out, you’re gonna you’re gonna get $16.18.
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So how did you know that and change? And it was like a weird
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That was crazy.
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And it was like a weird thing that I got very good vatsal. And I think the boom, dopamine hit, dopamine hit. They would like that. Yeah. And so it’s ingrained where I was good at, again, people become the Joker because there’s some sort of dark thing in there. Not everybody, but typically, there’s some I don’t wanna say ram, but you’re not gonna be funny or amazing unless something happened in your life where you have a reason to be entertaining.
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Right.
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And so I think there’s points in time where I could take people’s minds off things, and this was a great way to do it. And also magic, people don’t get to know you. They get to know the character, the performer. Sai you get that nice little separation, which Right. I learned at a young age was really, like, how to make rejection. Fear of rejection, fear of failure, most people, that’s their number one fear.
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And I learned at 14 how to make that gone, like, eliminate that entirely.
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Interesting. That’s interesting. It’s also the dynamic of you being in control, which I think you you know, you talked about earlier, I think is, for whatever reason, imperative where you’re speaking to people. You have to be in control for them to let you kind of guide everything.
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You don’t want other people you don’t wanna ask questions and you have everybody, like, free to talk and
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No. I don’t mind that. No. I don’t mind that. But if they do it when I want them to. Right? It’s ai again, so the best salespeople in the world aren’t the used car sales. You’re ai buy this, buy this. That’s nobody does well. The number one salesperson organization is the one who gets you to sell yourself. They’re bending over backwards to be ai, I gotta I gotta do business with you. Right?
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You get someone to the point where at the end, you don’t have to hard close. Right. Every organization I work for, and I go in there and, like, show you how to do sales training one on one, it’s going to be the person who gets the other person to sell themself. That’s what you do. You lay the breadcrumbs into the trap. The trap is not a bad thing, but the same thing happens in my show.
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I am leading you in a certain direction. Watch. I’ll show you something. How often is Jamie? I Jamie, when I walked in, I talked to him for, like, two minutes, said he loves magic. He does. Is that true? Is is Jamie off mic?
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Yeah. What’s up? Come here.
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Ai didn’t know I was gonna do this. You have, daughters. Correct? Yes. So it’s hard. I I I have I have I have three girls, two bryden, and I found when I named our girls well, we named them together, obviously. The naming of the girls was far harder than the boys. When you named your daughters, was it agreed upon? Were you, like, shortlisted? How did it go about?
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Well, I feel like my wife did way more work than
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I did. Yeah. For
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sure. So she carries the baby in her body, and I said, listen, I Ai would just want veto power. Veto. Where you can’t name the kid applesauce or something fucking stupid. But she I go, I don’t think it’s a fair proposition. Shah was, like, literally what I said. I said, I and I don’t give a fuck about names.
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And they’ve got your name for last ai. Mine would just be fair, but yeah.
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Right. It’s right. Yeah. Exact and so does she. But my name is Jo.
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It’s a
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boring ass stupid name. It doesn’t bother me at all that I have the same name as a billion people. Right. So for me, names don’t mean anything, and it meant something for her. So I said, you decide.
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So watch this. What are the do you know what the most common names are right now? I know this recently, but like ai sai one a two week old. But the most common names right now are not the same as when you were naming your daughters is my guess, if they’re teenagers. What do you know what the most common name right now in in America? I think it’s six years running. Meh, look this up. No. No. For girls. For girls.
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Is it? No.
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Olivia. Check. Jamie, can you look up top 10 That’s a
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beautiful name.
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Look up it just came out Social Security. I know this because, like I said, we were trying to figure out names. Is am I right? It should be Olivia’s number one. I don’t
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know what side to go to, but I
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don’t know. Google top 10.
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01:15:09
Who do you think of when you think of Olivia?
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I thought initially of Olivia Wilde.
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Who’s Olivia Wilde? Movie star.
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Quiet Place.
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Do you know who she is? Oh, that lady. Yeah. Oh, she’s great.
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Yeah.
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I thought of Olivia Newton John.
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Yeah. That’s saloni. So that would have been second. Physical. Physical. I performed for Olivia Wilde, never Olivia Newton John. What did you get? Did you find out? Yeah.
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Do you want me to show you the list?
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Oh, yeah. It’s not a trick. I just wanna see Olivia’s number one. Emma? Emma, Ai, Shah, Mia.
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01:15:38
Mia, Sofia, Isabelle, Evelyn. Yep. That’s interesting. Eight? I would have never imagined that.
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01:15:44
Ai? And you did not hear those names when you were growing up. There were probably no girls named Eva when you were a child.
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None of the any of these names. Maybe Olivia after Olivia Newton John. But that’s crazy. Sofia is number 10? That’s interesting.
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And Sofia is spelled two different ways, so it’s technically number one. Jamie. Oh, really? If I ask you. Okay.
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Oh, that’s right. It is. It’s spelled p h and f. Wow. Interesting that Sofia is number one, really. Harper? What’s Harper? Eleven? Twelve? Camilla? Camilla number 11? That’s nuts. Eleanor?
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Older names are coming back. Yep.
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01:16:21
Really older names. Yeah. That’s like Eleanor. It’s like my friend Eleanor Kerrigan. She’s in her fifties.
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01:16:31
Il
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01:16:32
Sana? Iliana’s number 18? They know that. That’s crazy. What are the odds? Right? What are the odds that you told me is Iliana in the top 20 of names? I’m like, shut the fuck up. Who’s name’s your kid that?
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I think someone someone I know
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01:16:46
did. No. It’s a beautiful name.
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01:16:47
Love that name. Love that
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01:16:49
name now. It’s not
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01:16:50
a bad name. It’s a beautiful name. But it’s ai it’s like I would have never thought
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01:16:54
it was that common. So when you think of how this is happening, watch this. Jamie Yeah. I ask you to come up with somebody absolutely random from your past. Mhmm. Absolutely random.
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01:17:04
I dug deep.
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01:17:05
Okay. You ai got it? Yeah.
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01:17:07
You know what?
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01:17:10
It’s not on the How
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01:17:11
do you know this person? Not oh, you shouldn’t have said that.
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01:17:13
Oh, sorry.
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01:17:14
You shouldn’t have said a word. You know what? Right away. What did
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01:17:16
you say?
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01:17:16
It’s from preschool.
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01:17:17
Preschool? Somebody in preschool. Yep. You still keep in touch?
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01:17:19
Where I met him. No.
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01:17:20
She said to him. Why do you say him and then her?
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01:17:22
I’m sorry.
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01:17:22
I met them is what Ai guess I was trying to say.
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01:17:24
This guy’s playing a pronoun game. What’s going on here? You know what? No. No. There’s too many giveaways. Just said wasn’t on the list, doesn’t this?
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01:17:30
Right.
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01:17:31
Let me ask you a question.
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01:17:32
Wanna try again?
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01:17:32
No. No. I’m doing something better. We’ll switch. This is a glitch in the matrix. Do do do Jamie, close your eyes. Close your eyes. Ai have to look at the stuff. You gotta look? Okay. So pretend you’re closing your eyes. I’m gonna put you on the spot.
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01:17:44
Yeah. Okay.
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01:17:45
It it’s not the pre preschool girl. I want you to close your eyes, go back in time, and try to picture the face. I always call this the one that got your first big crush. Can you visualize her face or you can’t see her clearly?
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That’s, you asked me this before. It’s just ai a it’s a tough question because, yeah, the way you started wording, it was ai, is this a first crush for me was like the first person, like, I knew there was, like, TV people and stuff like that.
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01:18:12
Oh, is it a TV person?
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01:18:13
That’s what it would have been, technically, I guess. Yeah.
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01:18:16
Your first crush was a TV person?
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01:18:18
Sure. Meh. Someone and I saw on TV. Is that right? I think so. Okay. I ai. Yeah. Well, I
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01:18:23
don’t know. Is that I
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01:18:23
don’t know. Ai trying this out.
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01:18:25
If I were to ask you to look up how popular this name is well, I’m not no. I’m not gonna do it again. It’s not top 10. Is that correct?
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01:18:30
Right. It was.
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01:18:31
Okay. Hold on. Look this way at me. I want you, without using your fingers, to count the number of letters in this person’s name.
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01:18:39
The real name or the the character’s name? I don’t know if that matters.
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01:18:43
I don’t know. I don’t I Ai I’ve never had a fictional character as my first crush. This guy got weird. I don’t know. Whatever I don’t whatever name you went with. I I don’t say it out loud.
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I’ll go with the fictional character.
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01:18:52
Don’t say don’t say no. No. Don’t to
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01:18:54
meh, they weren’t a real person then. So, you know
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01:18:57
Well, I don’t know. Nine. I don’t Oh, don’t say oh, don’t say oh, man. Don’t tell meh. Don’t give me any more clues.
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01:19:02
Figure it out.
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01:19:03
Good. Alright. You know what? Do this. Joe, I want you to see this. Should we get a a piece of paper right down? There’s mics everywhere.
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01:19:10
Okay.
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01:19:10
Screw it. Don’t even write down. Don’t even write down. No. No. Not you. I was gonna have him write it down. Yeah.
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01:19:14
Okay.
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01:19:16
8 9. Do do me a
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01:19:18
favor. Sure.
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01:19:18
Count again, but to yourself. Don’t do it out loud. Count to yourself.
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01:19:22
What? The letters?
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01:19:23
Yeah. Don’t do it out loud.
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01:19:24
But the 8 or nine wasn’t the letters. But go ahead. Yeah.
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01:19:27
I’m so confused. Alright. Good. This got all over the place. Jamie wants this to go wrong.
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01:19:31
He does. I do.
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01:19:35
I don’t know if this is the real name or the fake name anymore. But before today and me asking you to think of this person, be sana.
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01:19:42
Yep.
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01:19:43
Would it have been days, months, or literally years before today since this person even crossed your thoughts?
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01:19:50
Honestly, this would have been a couple months.
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01:19:52
Couple months? Couple months. Could Joe know it? No. Alright. Mix up the letters and stop ai Scrabble tiles. Freeze and grab out a letter somewhere in the name. Maybe grab one out of the middle.
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01:20:05
Okay.
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01:20:06
You got it? Sure. He did too and he switched.
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01:20:09
I was trying to look to you.
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01:20:10
No. No. You did shift the eyes. He did this one and then this you didn’t do a vowel, did you?
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01:20:14
I don’t know.
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01:20:15
Well, you can tell me. It’s it’s you did a vowel after all that? A e I o u. Look at me. First one I picked. And you went to the end. You do you think the last letter? No. Okay. The last letter is a vowel though, isn’t it?
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01:20:28
Sometimes.
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01:20:29
It is. Here we go.
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01:20:30
Ai gonna show Sometimes ai?
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01:20:32
Yeah. That’s the only way
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01:20:33
it’s sometimes it’s a vowel.
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01:20:35
A e I o u, and sometimes why.
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01:20:38
Take a look. Don’t say it. Don’t say
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01:20:40
it. Okay.
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01:20:45
I don’t know. I this is who knows? Was it nine letters? The name is nine letters long, isn’t it?
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01:20:51
Her the real person’s name is nine letters Yeah. I think.
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01:20:54
Yeah. Yeah. The real and and and he hadn’t thought of the person in months.
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01:20:57
In a vow.
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01:20:58
Yeah. It does. Ai know. I saw I I saw it, and you switched the one. And I wrote this down. Joe, you see it. Right? I can’t change it. No trick here. No BS. What’s her name? This first crush sai on TV.
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01:21:07
Her real name is Christine?
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01:21:08
Christine is what I wrote down. Christine is what I wrote down.
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01:21:12
Or fake name’s Melody from Hey Dude.
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01:21:14
You don’t have to tell me. I know.
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01:21:15
I know, Stan. Christine Taylor.
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01:21:18
How did you know?
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01:21:21
There’s this Ai Wait.
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01:21:22
Wait. Hold on. Right now. Right now. I wanna try this. Here’s what I wanna try. Joe, how many people how many
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01:21:27
people just happened?
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01:21:29
Wait. Where did I put this?
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01:21:30
Are you an alien? Hold on.
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01:21:31
Do you
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01:21:31
work for the CIA?
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01:21:32
I gotta take a leak like crazy too. You
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01:21:33
do? Alright.
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01:21:34
Where’s the bag? Ai dude, I ram, like, two gators before I got in here for the run. That was a mistake.
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01:21:38
What bag?
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01:21:39
There’s a bag. Ugh. I didn’t bring it.
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01:21:41
You didn’t bring it? Why don’t you go pee and get
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01:21:43
it back? I’ve got it. I’ve got it. I’ve got it. I’ve got it. Look. I want you to do this. I put together this is for you. Joe, take these.
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01:21:51
Okay.
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01:21:52
50 people, chat GPT.
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01:21:54
Okay.
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01:21:54
Look through that list.
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01:21:56
Okay.
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01:21:58
And these are all people I didn’t make this up. I just wrote them down.
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01:22:01
Okay.
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01:22:02
Who have been on the show multiple times
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01:22:04
Right.
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01:22:04
And that or and that ai how would I describe this? My guess is you have a personal connection. You know these people. Is that a fair assessment? Rattle off if there’s anybody in there that you feel is not fits the bill or you don’t talk to them anymore, throw it away. I don’t care.
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01:22:19
Okay. Yeah. I know all these people.
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01:22:21
You know these people? Mhmm. Okay. Sure. And not a trick. I’m not gonna guess who it is. I wrote the list. I know who they all are.
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01:22:27
Got it.
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01:22:27
I don’t care. You wanna mix them, you wanna do sai. I don’t care. Whatever you wanna do.
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01:22:30
Okay.
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01:22:30
Once you mix them up or whatever you wanna do, put them in front of you, please. Like a pile. Okay. Turn kinda oh, you’re not gonna look because I ai them to be, like ram.
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01:22:39
Okay.
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01:22:39
Kinda put them in front of you ai turn them sideways.
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01:22:42
Turn them sideways?
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01:22:42
Well, I sana see what you’re doing.
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01:22:44
Okay.
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01:22:46
And I think we’re gonna do this together. I don’t know if I’m gonna reach over or
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01:22:48
not. Okay.
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01:22:48
Here’s what I want you to do. Okay. I want you to take I’m gonna do it with you. Is I want you to lift off ai a chunk.
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01:22:55
A chunk.
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01:22:56
Okay. Yeah. Like a chunk and put the chunk over.
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01:22:59
Over here?
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01:22:59
No. No. No. Ai, next to you.
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01:23:01
Okay.
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01:23:01
Like, Ai don’t know. How do I can I move over with the mic or no?
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01:23:05
Yeah. Just come over here. Yeah. Take the headphones off.
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01:23:09
Can I take them off or leave them on?
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01:23:10
Take them off.
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01:23:11
Take this.
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01:23:12
Take this. Okay.
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01:23:13
Well, take take the piece, and I want you to take in the same way that I’m making a bunch of chunks like this Uh-huh. I want you to take, and I want you to be in charge of this. So take these ones Okay. And would you agree that’s pretty randomized?
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01:23:25
Very randomized. Okay.
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01:23:27
And I wanna assess. Right now, there’s five of them.
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01:23:30
Okay.
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01:23:30
Is take one of the piles Okay. And put it, like which other pile
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01:23:35
are you going with? Another pile?
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01:23:37
Like, point to another one.
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01:23:38
Okay. This one? How about this one?
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01:23:40
Yeah. Perfect. And I want you don’t show me.
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01:23:42
Okay.
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01:23:42
I want you like, grab that one
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01:23:45
Alright.
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01:23:45
With the card.
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01:23:46
The card on top?
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01:23:47
Ai you want. Take it. Grab it and look at that person’s name.
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01:23:50
Okay.
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01:23:50
And don’t let me see it. How ai, if you were to text this person, do you think would they answer?
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01:23:56
%.
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01:23:57
Oh, you sure?
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01:23:57
Yeah. %.
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01:23:59
Most of the list was a guy guys. Is it a guy? Yeah. Okay. Not judging. A lot of dudes on the show. Put them all back together.
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01:24:05
Okay.
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01:24:05
Let’s assess this. I don’t wanna know who it is. I don’t care who it is. As long I wanna see and if they’re not gonna answer, I would tell you to text somebody new. Text this person in your own words and say, I don’t know. Got a minute. Need a favor. And see if he texts back.
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01:24:20
If he doesn’t, we go to somebody new. We’ll give it, like, I don’t know, fifteen, twenty minutes.
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01:24:24
Okay. Can I tell him what’s going on?
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01:24:27
I would hedge and not say yet because I I wanna see where he goes with it. Because if you tell him like, I I don’t care, but I wanna I wanna keep this very I don’t want him to know where we’re going yet.
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01:24:39
Okay. Should I tell him to text me back?
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01:24:42
Ai yeah. I guess text me back. That works.
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01:24:45
Hey, brother. Do me a favor and text me back as soon as you get this.
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01:24:49
It’s gonna sound like someone’s dying, but okay.
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01:24:51
Depends on it. Okay.
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01:24:55
Alright. And put it down. We’ll we’ll revisit later. Pressures. Let’s see. Let’s check back in a few minutes.
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01:25:04
Okay.
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01:25:04
Will it vibrate if you did?
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01:25:06
No. I have it on do not disturb, but I’ll take it off. Here we go. Okay. He’s very busy, so he might not be in front of his phone.
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01:25:16
No worries. If it doesn’t go, we’ll give it some time. And if not, we’ll switch gears.
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01:25:21
Okay.
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01:25:21
But, turn your phone face down so you don’t think I can see it. I don’t wanna know Okay.
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01:25:24
Who, what, where. Alrighty.
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01:25:26
We’ll revisit. We’ll come back. Put it
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01:25:27
in my lap sai I feel it when it vibrates.
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01:25:29
Oh, I’m up you later. I’m holding it in, though. I knew the Joe Rogan effect.
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01:25:38
Okay. We’re just gonna sit here and wait for meh.
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01:25:40
No. No. No. We’ll check back in later.
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01:25:41
That seems ridiculous.
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01:25:43
Is it? Yeah. Because he
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01:25:43
could be working out. He could be doing anything.
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01:25:46
So if we get it, it’s meant to be. This is, we’ll see.
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01:25:48
Okay.
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01:25:49
It’s not it’s not pressing.
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01:25:50
You have an idea who it is?
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01:25:51
I I don’t know. I I can look through the list again. It’s not Ram Haines, is it, after
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01:25:55
you ai all that? Pop is someone popping into your head?
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01:25:57
I’m not gonna guess who it is.
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01:25:58
Not at all?
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01:25:59
No. Because here’s the reason ai. If we reveal stuff, I don’t want you to. If if I guess, like, something very specific about this person that will like, he might not want everyone to know his ATM PIN code or Social Security number.
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01:26:10
Oh, you’re gonna guess ai?
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01:26:11
I don’t know what I’m gonna do yet, but I don’t want you could tip it, but he’s gonna be pretty pissed if everybody finds out something. So I prefer if nobody knows yet. But if if we wanna you’ll see.
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01:26:22
Okay. Okay.
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01:26:24
Take it to the next level. Jamie’s in the room.
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01:26:26
Right.
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01:26:26
But what if we could just get anyone who you could have picked? Anybody you know. Right. Now it’s different. Right. Now it’s never been done before.
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01:26:33
Right. You
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01:26:33
asked me what do I wake up with thinking about? How could I do this?
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01:26:37
Yeah. How are you gonna do this? I don’t know. Let’s see if it works. Let’s see if it works. So okay. So he did oh, he got me.
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01:26:44
He did? Yeah. Okay. Here’s the thing. I think that if I were you, I’d say later, well, texting, what if somebody saw something? No. No. No. I haven’t I don’t give any clues yet. If you’re there’s microphones everywhere. We just asked him to think of his first crush, but he did, like, someone fictional and, like, that’s a weird
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01:27:03
Can I tell him I’m in the middle of a show?
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01:27:05
It’s maybe sai, Ram, in the middle of a show.
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01:27:08
Okay. Okay.
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01:27:10
And say, we’re doing a bit. I I do you wanna call him? Because if you’re texting this, do you wanna call him or do you wanna text him?
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01:27:18
Well, if I call him, people are gonna hear his voice.
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01:27:20
No. But what if you call him and you just go over there? Which one’s better you? Which one’s more impossible? Where later you go, there’s just no freaking way. Is it better if he texts you, or is it better if he calls you? What do you think is just more impossible?
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01:27:31
I could have him call me.
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01:27:33
Yeah. Why not? Do this. Have him call you in a second. You’ll go over there where there’s no ai. And I want you to ask this guy the same question I asked Jamie. Do you remember the name of the first grill you had a big crush on? And sometimes people don’t remember. I just want you to know I’ve done this a lot.
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01:27:50
Should I ask him that?
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01:27:52
Not yet. I would do it on the phone. Okay. Yeah. Screw it. Ask him that.
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01:27:55
Okay. Do okay. Hold on a second. I should just did it with voice.
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01:28:05
No. No. Because then well, yeah. Nobody’s listening to this. I’m sure.
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01:28:08
No. But, I mean, it’s quicker.
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01:28:17
Don’t tell me what he says.
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01:28:18
Okay.
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01:28:18
If he says no, a lot of people don’t remember this question. Okay. So then I hedge, and I go, well, who’s who’s the first girl you ever kissed? Let’s see. But make sure there’s absolutely no way I can see what’s on your phone right now. You can’t see.
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01:28:29
Boom. Get that tight. Ai can’t see, bitch.
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01:28:32
Took ai mad. Okay. Does he know or doesn’t know? Yep. He knows?
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01:28:36
Yep. Right away.
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01:28:36
Did he tell you? Yep. No shit. Yep. Ask him, is it the same as the first girl he ever kissed?
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01:28:51
Okay.
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01:28:51
See what it says.
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01:28:53
Here we go.
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01:28:56
No. Does you remember her name too?
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01:28:59
Okay. Here we go. Yep. It’s
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01:29:12
two weeks ago. Right? No. I’m kidding. Plug it. Put it put away. You have two names in your head.
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01:29:16
Okay.
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01:29:17
Can we establish the fact that you have 50 people that have been on your show? Yes. That you took anybody.
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01:29:24
Right.
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01:29:24
If this person would have texted back, text somebody else. I don’t care who it is. Right. There is no conceivable way. This isn’t a bank that gave you a number. Right. And if he didn’t know what it is, we would have done something different. I don’t care. Put the phone away.
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01:29:35
Okay.
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01:29:36
How am I gonna do this?
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01:29:38
How are you gonna do this?
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01:29:39
How am I gonna do this? Right? And he sai, what happens when it goes wrong? Nothing. I’m not getting paid to be here.
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01:29:43
I don’t care. You’re freaking me out.
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01:29:46
Think of both names. They’re different. You had two different people. Yes. The same way that you did 2020 and you didn’t know think of both names, and I want to juggle back and forth between the two, the first kiss and the first crush.
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01:29:58
Okay.
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And, is one name more interesting to you or, like, they’re equal? Or is one name more interesting or not really?
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Not really.
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Not okay. So you don’t ai if you gravitate, I would have been like ai to one. Okay. Count the number of letters in the first crush to yourself. Don’t use your fingers. I can see. Count the number of letters to yourself for the first crush.
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I ai that to sai you out. Yeah. I started doing this.
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And then count the number of letters in the first kiss. Oh, you looked up. Interesting. They’re not equal. Can you agree with me? They’re not the same amount of letters, are they?
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No. They’re not.
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No. See, I because you’d had the same reaction. Do you know when you put somebody in a polygraph test? Have you ever been polygraphed? No. They can’t just ask you the questions right away. They can’t because they first have to get your benchmark. Same way blood doping, you gotta test someone’s blood against their blood. People have different amounts of testosterone naturally. So I had to see how you would do each one.
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Mhmm. And then you did the thing with the eyes that throw me off. The first crush, is that name shorter than the first kiss? Yes. Yeah.
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Go to the first crush. I’m gonna go with that one. Less work for me.
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Okay.
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One more time. Count the letters.
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Okay.
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And you were trying to avoid it. Six letters. Is that name six letters?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Mix up all the letters Okay. In that first crush’s name. Forget the first kiss. Scrap it.
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Okay.
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Ai pick any one in your head. You got one? Got it. Jamie gave me a gift on a platter, thought of a vowel. When he did that, it was a % you wouldn’t pick a vowel later. You didn’t do a vowel in the name, did you? No. Dude, I’m here for a reason. Right? I haven’t done this. I’ve been doing this for a long time.
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Right.
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Told you. Goal is to be the best in the world at this.
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Okay.
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I have watched I know everything you just did. Second letter. Do you think a second letter?
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I will.
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M, meh, Amanda. Is the name Amanda? Yes.
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What the fuck did you say?
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And you will talk about this for years.
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Hold on a second. I’m texting him back. Can you figure out the second one?
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No. I’m done, man. Come on. Showbiz. You do your closer, you drop the ai, and you pick the mic ai back up. Never.
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Do you wanna know who it was?
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No. I don’t wanna know.
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My friend said you’re a witch, and he said kill him now.
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I feel like I know who
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it is.
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Definitely a comedian. Definitely a comedian after that. It’s definitely a comedian.
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It might not be. I hang
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out with
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a lot of weird people. Yeah.
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I don’t know how to go back to conversation mode. Am I right? And I got pissed like a racers. What do I do?
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Go pee. Go pee.
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Do I pee or no? Do I do we do we keep going? Do we go strong?
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With this?
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No. I’m just saying we’ll we’ll we’ll recalibrate.
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Pee. It’s always easier to pee.
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Is that alright?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It’s perfect because you don’t sana it’s too hard to form sentences when you have to pee.
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Alright. I’m a take a quick week. Quick break.
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We’ll be
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Rapid fire. Arya we back?
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We’re back.
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Ai.
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Alright. Much better. Brand new. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Ai know the feeling.
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I was sitting on it. You rehydrate. And I drank so much Gatorade right before, and I was like, oh, party foul. Should’ve thought that went through.
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77 miles. You deserve a little Gatorade. So do you wanna know who it was yet?
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It’s up to you. I I like hanging, hanging thread, but it’s up to you.
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But what is the purpose of hanging the thread?
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No. I guess, tell us at the end.
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Can you tell me who it is?
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I could, but come on. Can it is? No. I’ll tell you at the end.
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Okay.
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You already gave the comedian. You said this. I say comedian. He’s a comedian. He’s a witch. Kill him. %. Oh, yeah. %. That’s not Ben Shapiro. You know what I’m saying?
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Oh, did you say witch?
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Did did he tyler you?
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No. No. No.
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I took the quick quickest pee of my life. I raced over.
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I didn’t tell him.
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You didn’t tell him?
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No. I don’t want him to know.
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Curie, do you think that there’s people that knew this shit back in the days of witches? They figured out some of the powers, maybe, not powers. I
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think that a % psychics of the past used a lot of the same techniques I’m using. Because when I watch psychics and I people always tell me at certain things. They tell me, like, oh, you know, I saw psychic do this and this and this, and I hear it, and I go to myself, you know, I could do that same trick, and I ai, no offense, do it better.
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But think about it. I’m doing this right now from with an ethical compass versus if I go, oh, I’m getting this ai I thought about this and this is what happened with your Daniel. Ai, oh my, how’d you know? I’m like, meh, it’s only $25 more to have a private session. Let’s talk to him a little bit more. Right? Yeah.
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I’m not saying there’s nobody ai. I’m telling you that a lot of the psychics that I’m watching them, like, I know how you’re doing that.
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That was my other question. It’s gonna be, has any have you caught anyone trying to get some stuff by you? Like, I don’t know.
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Like a ai? You mean
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not a psychic. You’re buying a car and someone’s trying to pull some trickling. You’re ai, Sai know what you’re about to do here.
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Well, %. You know, it’s not a shameless plug. But, like, I literally write I wrote a book. It’s coming out October where it’s all about it’s called read your mind. And it’s not me telling you how to be a mentalist because 99.9% of people don’t wanna guess a first crush. It’s not useful to you in your life.
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But what if you could read people more effectively to help you in your ai, at home, at work, in relationships? That is a quantifiable thing that the tools of a mentalist, when not used for entertainment but in life day to day, are extraordinary. For sure. Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, you must be great at all kinds of things because of this. I don’t know
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about that.
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Dealing with human beings. Right. Negotiating. Oh, I would imagine.
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I’ve never sold a property at a loss. Let’s just say that. It’s been pretty good so far. You You get in there, you’re like, I won’t take a dollar less. I’m like, I know you will. I know you will.
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That’s funny. That’s funny. What a weird skill to have. Right? What’s a good book?
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A good book?
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To read on this.
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Well, on becoming a mentalist Yes. Or sai And any of these skills,
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like, what did you start with? Do you remember the book you started with?
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Do you mean if you want to learn how to do Do you remember the book
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that you started with when you first started learning this stuff?
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So the first book I started reading was a book called 13 Steps to Meh, but, man, is it gonna be tough for most people because it’s written in the nineteen twenties. So it’s kinda ai you know, when it’s like watching an old movie, no offense to old movies, but I’m like, oh, it’s hard to get into this with my attention span now because it’s antiquated.
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Some of it still applies, but you have to really do a big reach to know how do I apply this. Because back then, there were no TVs or no phones. There’s no it just that’s what I started with, but I had learned the hard way. So much of what I do now is again, I told you, is I don’t really do what other people do because Ai I don’t know how to explain.
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It’s they create different. Right? If if if if you are building a house and you have all these tools, you’re gonna build using your tools. Does that does that make sense? So I’ve got this set of tools. I knew a hammer does this. I do that. I create with the house already built.
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So my vision again and why what’s been a differentiating feature is I build with that person at the end in ai, and I already know what the house is gonna be. I know what the memory. I know what you’re gonna say. Like, CNBC. Do you ever watch that channel?
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I try not.
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Ai CNBC, Fox Business are financial channels. I have been on those channels dozens of times. How many other mentalists or magicians have ever been on them? Zero. Why is that? Because it’s it’s unusual. That’s a serious network. Why do you put me on? Because I do stuff around the markets.
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And so if you’re watching it, you buy in because my stuff’s about stock market, interest rates, all stuff, and it’s ai, this is crazy, but it had to do with stuff I know. So the same thing. When I do ESPN, I’m creating from a different perspective than most. I customize the content.
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Like, when I do a corporate event, I learn in and out your business. And when I go up there, I sneak in the meh. So now you’re actually your people aren’t just seeing a shah. They’re getting messaging and they’re getting in a way where they don’t tune out because they don’t realize they’re being spoken to. It’s mostly entertainment. Mhmm.
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Ai planted those thoughts and you leave there with, you know, what’s the product launch? What’s this? All those things are now internalized and remembered.
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Woah. And this 13 steps that was you said it was written in the nineteen twenties?
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Fact check me, but I think it was the twenties.
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What did this guy do? What was his job? He was a mentalist?
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Yeah. But there were no meh back then. There were just a few people, but there was mostly they were telling you the skills of psychics. They were showing you how psychics did stuff. And it wasn’t really debunking, but they’re showing you all the tools, the 13 steps. Like, what are the ways that we can read people more effectively? And what are the tricks of the trade of what we do? Ai?
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Like, how do you know when someone’s counting something like that. Right? And you’re counting the letters, you know, because it to me, you might as well be playing drums. Do you understand what I’m saying? Like Mhmm. If you’re playing drums and I have an ear for it, I can hear the beats.
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Sai once you learn how to do certain things, they build on top. I can if you’re counting letters, like, again, names are anywhere from three to 12 letters. It’s not rocket science for me to figure it out. And, again, I can’t do it in a vacuum. If you turned your back and sai, I’m not nope.
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I’m not doing anything. Not again, if you control the environment, I can’t do it as well. Right. It goes back to that fear thing. If I started messing up right now, you’d be like, oh, it’s getting awkward. And and you would pull back, and I wouldn’t be in control anymore.
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Right.
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So, like, a lot of what I’m doing is is I’m, you know, showing you how I can read you, but also you’re allowing yourself to be read. Right.
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So, like, when you’re saying count the letters
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Mhmm.
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You can see me counting them.
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I can see when you’re counting. I can see when you try to throw me off the count. It’s like a poker player. Poker player knows if you really have aces, pocket aces, or you have two four and you’re bluffing. The best ones do, which brings the question up, why don’t I play poker more? Yeah.
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Why
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don’t you play poker?
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It’s just it’s too boring. Like, I I that’s a grind, man. I’d rather make money doing this.
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This one and a half speed.
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Yes. Your
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whole life is one and a half speed. That’s wild. That’s really interesting. Ai I’m fascinated. No. I think I’m gonna read one of those books. I’m gonna probably get that one.
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I’m gonna send you one. I’ll try and find a better one.
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Well, that one’s interesting too because I wanna I wanna read the origins. I wanna read it, like, when it first started out. Like Yeah. What was it like in 1920? Like, what did he learn and where did he learn it? Is it? You find it? Yeah.
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Nineteen fifty ish or so.
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Oh, ’19 well
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But it’s also not known.
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He was This is the guy? Yeah. So he’s born in ai thirties.
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Oh, Sai screwed this up. It was in nineteen twenties. Sai no, the other one’s 13 steps. There’s another one by Theodore Aylman.
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And this he did not make his birthplace public. Oh, you fucking sneaky bitch. He’s a sneaky bitch. He’s the first meh, and he’s sneaky. Those believed to have been Mill Hill suburb of London for unknown reasons. He renamed himself Saloni Cornida. Cor Corinda. Yeah.
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Tony Corinda.
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Sai he’s born Thomas William Simpson, and he renamed himself, for some reason, Tony Corinda, a variation of the surname Conradi, when he began working as a mentalist. In 1950, he opened up a shop where he sold all manner of stage magic goods, but catered especially to mentalists.
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He later took over the magic shop on Oxford Street. The shop was at street level and thus catered mainly to the regular public sai that many of the items sold were either practical jokes or beginners tricks. But items for semi professional magicians and hobbyists were also sold. Around the same period, Corinda had the magic concession in Hambly’s toy shop on Regent Street. Interesting.
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So the book, 13 Steps to Mentalism, was in 1961. So he wrote a series of 13 booklets on mentalism between ’56 and ’58, each one dealing with a different aspect of mentalism or, allied art. Interesting.
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I’m getting you a copy.
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I am I’ll buy it. Let’s is it is it reprinted? Or is it one of those ones
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you have to buy? Reprinted. And sai, it’s it’s since become the the Essential Mentalism reference book. Mhmm. But again, you’re gonna have a big problem because you’re gonna read that book. And if you make it through to the end, which God bless you if you can, you’re gonna be ai, yeah.
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But how the hell did you do all this stuff? It’s not gonna you’re gonna get to the end of it and been ai, so it’s that’s baby steps. And then you’ve gotta, like Ai. Yeah. Get to the next level.
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Ai, I’m sure. I’m not thinking I’m gonna get all the information from that. But I’m I’m curious as to, like, what the origins of it was. Like, how did this guy devise these things? Like, how did he figure it out?
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Psychics. So it’s, again Mhmm. People with psychics want to believe. Anyone who’s in that room who paid that money to hear a psychic has someone they’ve lost, and they want something with them because there’s, you know
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Do you believe in any psychic powers at all?
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So, again, I’m not like a debunker Mhmm. Because I I’m kinda, like, agnostic in this thing, which is Ai just believe what I’ve seen so far. And in a lot of instances, I’ve never personally experienced something that I couldn’t explain yet, but a lot of people have told me their experiences.
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Have you heard of the telepathy tapes?
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01:42:21
Yeah. So that I I know you had her in here, but that’s have you watched the videos? I mean, come on.
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Yeah. That’s wild.
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No. No. I’m the opposite. I do not think that’s real. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, really? No.
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Why? Well, if you Tell me about what the videos So it Can we show the videos?
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01:42:36
Well, I don’t know. He’s got the paywall. Again, I don’t sana it controversial, but we’ve seen it. They’re holding in many instances in that form of communication. The person who knows the information is holding the the letters. Do you understand what I’m saying? So right now, if I had shown you a word Mhmm.
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01:42:54
And you’re either touching somebody, Right? If you could get do you know what a two person code act is? No. So two person code act is like a mentalist thing with two people. There’s a few that are the best in the world, Avison’s, Ai to Mine in Dubai, ai, a few really good ones who’ve done this.
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And what they do is they can be blindfolded in a different arya, and anything you hand to them, anything you say, the other person knows it. No electronics. No nothing. They just look at your credit card, and they’ll guess the credit card numbers. And what the way that’s being done is they’re communicating to each other based on pauses, based on, like, a million ways that you can’t think of.
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It’s the best codec ever without speak. And you’ll watch it, and you’ll be like, there’s no way they’re communicating, but they are. And so it looks like telepathy, but it’s not. You get them in the room of scientists, you’ll fool every scientist under the sun. What they’re doing is, like, not bulletproof at all with the kids. And, again, god bless.
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If I had a child in that condition, I, for not one moment, wouldn’t want a solution. And I would want something to know that they’re not that they’re in there and I could talk to them. And I don’t wanna speak out of turn. But from the videos I’ve seen, I can explain that in a minute. They’re they’re moving things around and positioning the letters.
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01:43:58
If you do a double blind study where the person does not know the word that they’re trying to communicate, I’m not even saying psychic. Just don’t tell them the word, the person holding it. Mhmm. And only show the word to the person who should be saying it. Right?
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Right.
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If you’re the autistic child, show them the words so that I see it, and then have them type that word in. And do that for me nine out of 10 tyler. And they’ve not been able to do that. That’s not even psychic. That’s just shah to me that you can type the word and that you saw.
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And so when you do, like, a deep dive on that, it’s been
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She offered to have someone come in with their parent and do that. Would you do that with us? Sure. So you could, like,
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show up on your own. Ai don’t wanna take anyone’s hope away. I’m a parent and, like, again God. I don’t think they’re making money on it. And I I like No. I’m very I don’t like to again, when you ask me psychics, there’s people who had real deep experiences and who is it for me to take that away.
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01:44:51
But when I watch that and you’re, like, talking to somebody who’s a pro at doing this, same as psychics, I can see exactly how that’s done.
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But what did you think about their ability to read languages that they’ve never studied?
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01:45:02
Sai, again, you’re missing it. So that’s, again, the devil’s in the details.
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Okay.
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It’s the memory, what you remember of the story. Show me how they did that. Did either of the people there present know that language who was doing it, and how was that being communicated? Did the end person who’s moving the board around know what the meaning of the word was? Do you understand what I mean? Yes.
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01:45:23
So, like, again, you’re hearing the the CliffsNotes, the end edition. Watch the video and show me something that I can’t there was nothing I saw in that special or that in that telepathy tape in the videos that I couldn’t readily explain.
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Really?
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01:45:36
That’s correct.
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Interesting. Very interesting.
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So could it be right? Yes. I’m not saying it’s not. I’m not again, they they could be 100% right ai I could be 100% wrong. Hubris.
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Right.
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I haven’t been in the room with them. I’m judging simply from videos I’ve seen. But as someone who is for a living pretending to read people’s minds Mhmm. But I’m actually reading people, I can see how it’s being done. Interesting. The meh, it’s kinda like a casino boss. I see how that person’s cheating when they’re playing cards. Right. Because I know all the cheating methods.
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Interesting. The other thing that they said was these kids all have this area that they go to called The Hill. Yep. They go to their what do you think of that?
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01:46:14
So again, I I I heard it. It was unbelievable. Like, the podcast was incredible. I don’t know. I I don’t like, I I you know, I’ve heard psychics tell me people tell me I saw a sai, and how do you know that my friend died after we saw Grateful Dead concert? And then I’m like, well, I don’t know. I’m seeing a lot of stuff on you that looks Grateful Dead vibes.
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01:46:30
Like like, if I told you that you’re a big Roger Waters fan, you’d be like, how did you know that right now? So if everyone not looking, Joe’s wearing a Pink Floyd shirt. Ai, you can you can figure out a lot of stuff based on cold reading. I can see what’s the wear on your wedding band, how do you behave, what are certain things, when do you pause at a certain moment about certain things, did you lose someone?
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01:46:51
I can tell instantly if you’re having a feeling of emotion. Like, anyone good at this, and not even great but, like, good, can notice a lot of things, like a psychic just watches you.
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So you can kinda tell, like, what a person’s done that day?
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Ai well, I think you can meh, like you can guide them to what you want, which is when you get a hit. Right? Think of that game when you’re a kid hot, cold. You hide stuff. Right. Right? Your brother or sister looks around. They go cold, cold.
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01:47:15
Ai I woke up early today or late? I don’t know.
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01:47:19
There’s no on demand feature to the show.
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There’s no I
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01:47:21
think you woke up early, though. Really? Yeah. Why
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01:47:23
do you think that?
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01:47:23
I don’t know. Just based on when you said it? Nope. Nope. Up late. Good. I got it wrong. I’m happy. I’m happy. You’ll be like, we screwed this ai. Finally, we got o’s, and it was with a fifty fifty.
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01:47:34
Ai was yeah. That was just a rando.
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01:47:36
Coin flip.
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Yeah. That was You know, we’ll do
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a coin flip before I leave.
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Okay. Who has coins anymore?
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01:47:41
I brought one coin.
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01:47:42
I heard that there’s a penny that’s in circulation that’s worth millions of dollars.
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01:47:46
I heard that too. Yeah.
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01:47:47
That wheat penny? The one with the wheat on the side of it?
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01:47:49
My buddy, Lewis Howes. Had I saw that on my social, he found one. Really? I think so.
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01:47:53
Woah. It’s fucking super value.
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01:47:55
With millions. I’d be like, you give me that wheat penny.
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01:47:57
That’s crazy. A penny worth millions. Okay. So what’s in the, the one that’s sealed, that package?
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01:48:06
No. That’s that’s nothing.
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01:48:07
I was gonna
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I was gonna get it out, but I’ll do it later as a gift.
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01:48:09
I’ll do
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it later as a gift. Is it later? No. It’s something silly.
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01:48:13
Why do I not believe
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01:48:14
you? No. I swear. I swear. I thought I would have it out, but no.
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01:48:17
You thought you’d have it out, but you don’t wanna have it out?
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01:48:20
Not the right fit.
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01:48:21
What do you mean?
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01:48:22
That I was gonna do something. You had a lot of books here, and I thought we get a book. But, like, I don’t think I’m gonna do it. Just doesn’t feel right. No. What feels wrong? Self curated. I don’t know.
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01:48:31
It it it’s not gonna
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work. On instinct?
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01:48:32
It’s not you gotta go on instinct. It’s not gonna work.
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01:48:34
It’s not gonna work. Nope. What was the goal to get it to work? You could say it now since we’re not gonna do it.
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01:48:39
The goal to get it to work was I thought I had some sort I thought I know if I get you to get a book. We have less books in this room. We have books in that room. I just I don’t know. I brought it in. I always have a backup plan.
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01:48:50
Plan a, b, c. And this one’s not meant for this one. This one might be if I ever come back and do another
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01:48:55
Okay.
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Well JRE.
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We’ll put it in the safe.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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01:48:58
Do it. Okay. That’s a great idea.
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01:48:59
Yeah. Put it in the safe.
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01:49:00
Put it in the safe. I’ll never touch it again.
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01:49:02
Okay. We won’t touch it either. Let’s make sure that we know it’s sealed. You know what we did?
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01:49:05
Two bricks of cocaine. You’re in big trouble. No.
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01:49:07
We should get a wax seal. Yeah? You know, like Game of Thrones ai.
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01:49:12
Let’s do it.
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01:49:12
Let’s seal it.
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01:49:14
I love that show.
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01:49:15
Great show.
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01:49:16
Yeah.
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We can’t play this, but I found one of the tapes that someone put on YouTube. Do you wanna it’s only a one minute.
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01:49:22
Alright. Let’s watch it for us.
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01:49:23
Help or not.
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Let’s watch it for us. Yeah. Yeah. We can’t play it because it’s copyright? Okay.
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01:49:27
If you ai now got the best two person codec in the world in here, they would do nothing. She would literally be in another she could be a hundred feet away behind this person’s back.
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01:49:37
Because she’s touching you?
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01:49:39
Touching, moving. I mean, like, those are for letters. You only have 26 options. Do you have any idea what this is right there? Somebody effective right now, just this right now, and pausing before they say a word could have given you a full credit card number. Right. Insane.
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01:49:51
She was ai moving him a
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01:49:52
little bit. Moving him, like, if you could if you can how do you compress data? Right? Like, if you do hexadecimal or ASCII, you could take a a a 16 digit number and break it down into three letters. Do you ever so you see the movie The Arya? Yes. Great movie. Right? Yeah. Another Matt Damon reference.
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Yeah.
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Love Matt Damon, by the way.
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Me too.
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01:50:11
Has he been on here? No. Such a good dude?
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Yeah. I talked to somebody about getting him on. Like, he was gonna reach out. We’re gonna do it eventually.
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01:50:17
I’m sure. Yeah. I love that guy. Meh. That’s awesome. Met him a couple times. Love him. As nice as you’d expect. So if you can in that movie, in The Martian, he didn’t know how to send data because he only had the camera. So he shows a thing where he figured out how to take and compress big things into small. What’s the easiest way?
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01:50:30
You can make it very small sai you can send information in a certain way. Again, I don’t wanna blow in his cover, but there is absolutely when I see that, I I know exactly how it’s being done. But I don’t know if she’s doing it on purpose. I think they’ve just learned each other’s rhythms, and that’s an agent. Oh, okay.
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01:50:44
Go you know, ai, you gotta have her in a different room.
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01:50:47
Right. Right.
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01:50:47
Right. Read my mind. Read my mind through a door.
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01:50:49
Haven’t they done stuff in a different ram, though? Didn’t Ai Dickens? Didn’t she sai
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In particular, that another magician actually told me that they had an issue watching that particular kid’s videos. They thought that those two were doing something funny.
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Yep. Clearly.
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But that’s what I the other videos, I don’t that’s they’re behind a paywall. You have to get to them and
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01:51:08
That’s it. That’s the sneaky biz. Because everyone that sees the paywall Right. I had a couple sent to me, and I’m like because people ask me this. And they were like, hey. What do you think, man? And I listened to all the the tapes. I thought it was amazing. It got a little wild at the end if you got to the end, like the hill and that. And you wanna believe. Who doesn’t wanna believe that?
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01:51:24
There’s psychics amongst us and especially ai like the superhero story of all. These are kids who nobody thought was in there, and they’re really in there. They’re communicating with each other. It’s it’s, I mean
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01:51:35
So it’s essentially you’re you’re saying that instead of ai energy, there’s a sense of, like, a kind of micro communication.
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01:51:41
You know what? And
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people want to believe, and so you ai of confirmation bias looking at the evidence. You wanna believe. Ai Dickens clearly wanted to believe. Just super simple.
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01:51:53
Have a mentalist and maybe a scientist involved. And a mentalist is better than a scientist because scientists will they can watch me and they’ll be like, I don’t know how he’s doing it. Right? We’re designed. We’re we’re literally it’s ai meh a card cheat to beat other card cheats. Right. So get me involved. Yeah.
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And then let’s do the same thing, and I’m gonna sana, here are the three things I need you to do different. And I’m not gonna say how you’re doing it, but do it with these three things. And if you do that, I’m convinced.
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Okay. We might have to set this up.
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Yeah. I wonder if they’d But the problem is is that exact there’s very little to gain from that. And then also, we got bad energy in the room. Right? That’s the whole thing. Do you ever see when Uri Geller was debunked by the amazing Randy on Johnny Arya? And he couldn’t bend the spoons.
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He goes, I can’t do it with him here. He’s got bad energy. It’s not and it’s ai, you know, is it bad energy or is this a guy who knows how you’re bending the spoons? Right. And so every time you’re about to do a move, he’s like a Sai. He was like, stop right there. Don’t move your hand. Keep the spoon right there.
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Don’t don’t no. No. Don’t look away. Look. It’s like it’s like my nightmare.
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I had a guy show me how they do the spoons. Yeah. We had a guy demonstrate magic angles. I ai show you how to do this one.
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01:52:53
Yeah.
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And it was ai a different kind of spoon. It wasn’t a regular speak?
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01:52:56
No. No. You could do it with real spoons. I could do it with any spoon.
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01:52:58
Yeah? Yeah. You could bend it with your mind?
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01:53:00
I mean, I again, I don’t wanna knock it, but that’s more of a it’s not really it’s not a psychic power. That falls more into the category of a magic trick
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Uh-huh.
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Where you’re misdirecting people, you’re doing something else where Ai not really bending a spoon with my mind. There’s not supernatural powers involved. I can’t lie to you and say that. I’m doing it in such a way where you don’t know the method and it’s layered, but it’s sure sana look like it’s bending by itself, but it’s not.
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This guy was saying that it’s a kind of metal that as he moves his hand around, he heats it up.
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01:53:30
Yeah. He’s lying to you.
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Fuck. Damn. Motherfucker. He lied because he didn’t wanna tell me how he does it. No. Yeah. Oh, damn it. Yeah. Got me again.
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01:53:41
Got
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you. You must enjoy getting people though. I Ai just spark lights in your face when you’re accurate. It’s really fun to watch.
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01:53:50
I hope it’s it’s contagious, but I I enjoy watching reactions.
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01:53:53
Yeah.
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Clearly. That’s that’s the rush. Right? Laughs do not love laughs?
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01:53:57
Of course. Yeah.
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You ever go into a room and nobody’s laughing and you just bomb and you just eat it? It’s ai, not fun. How often do you bomb anymore?
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New jokes bomb. So you bomb for chunks. You bomb in segments. You know, you have to figure out how a bit works. And sometimes you try a bit in a way, like, in the middle of it, like, oh, this is not the way. And then you have to kinda adjust.
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And you’re doing a lot of sets at the mothership, I ai? Yeah. And how much do you get allowances? What’s the clock for being Joe Rogan before it’s ai, oh, no. Let’s just see if you’re funny as a person. Where does that end?
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01:54:30
You You gotta be funny pretty quick.
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01:54:32
You think so?
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Yeah. People are good for, like, a minute. Yeah. They’re happy to see you for, like, a minute.
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01:54:37
It’s only a minute, Yeah.
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01:54:38
It did not much time, man. Jerry Seinfeld talked about that once. He’s like, being famous buys you about thirty seconds.
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01:54:43
Oh, I thought it’s been a thing.
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That’s what he said. No. No. Especially on a night filled with, like, really top notch comedians
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01:54:50
Right. Killers.
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Which is the mother shah every night. It’s all a bunch of killers. So you gotta be but that’s also why we do it that way, you know. The one thing that’s really bad for comedians is when they start only doing their crowds. So, like, they do it on the road and they do large places, and then they have the same opening act over and over again. So they’re never challenged.
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01:55:11
Right.
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Yeah. That that makes people soft ai% of the time. I made that number up.
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01:55:16
I don’t know what the number is. It’s
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but it’s ai a high number, you know, because you get soft.
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01:55:22
Right. Yeah. I did this is funny. So I used to go to the comedy tyler. I told you I love comedy, like aficionado. I lived in the village for, I don’t know, years. And this is pre kids, a lot more time in my hands. We used to go to the cellar when you could get in the cellar like that. Now good luck.
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01:55:36
Right.
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And we would see just everybody over and over. And, I I think you had him on. Mike Vecchione? Sure. So good, man. Very funny guy. Great guy. Sai great guy. Amazing.
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Super funny.
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And he went on on a night where it was just, like, dropping, dropping, dropping. And he had to follow Seinfeld, and Seinfeld goes on and just hammers it. And then Mike Vickyone comes on, and you know the bathroom in the cellar Mhmm. Right, which is about the size of, like, a quarter of this table Mhmm.
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Where you’re touching arms when you’re taking a leak next to some dude. I went in there, and I was quite drunk. And I’ll never forget this. I’ve I’ve worked with Mike since, and I was telling him, dude, you probably don’t remember me, but I was such a drunk idiot. And we’re touching arms while we’re peeing, and I always felt bad about them. So I’m so drunk. I’m like, dude, forget Seinfeld. You killed it.
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You’re the he’s like, stop talking to me while we’re peeing. I crossed that threshold. And I tried asking him, ai, because we did a gig together. And he opened for me, and I was like, do you is there any chance you meh? He’s like, dude, so many drunk idiots have been next to me at the cellar telling me stuff. I’m like, the night where you dropped it.
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You know that that trying to see if you remember it.
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Right.
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And I want to apologize for it because I felt so bad. And I’m like, I was talking to you while you’re pissing. And, dude, I just loved you so much. And he forgot he didn’t even know this moment. You know, I mean, drunk but I’m like, I’ve been holding this weight for a while, Mike, and I’m a big fan.
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And, I’m sorry Sai talked to you while we both had our dicks out. It was not okay. It was not okay. There’s there’s a line in the sand that I have just crossed, brother.
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That’s hilarious. And he forgot about it instantly.
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No, dude. I’m it’s like when I have gigs where people come back to me and three years later, like, dude, do you remember this thing? And I go, of course, I do. Yes. No. Most of the
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most of the ai, you don’t remember.
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01:57:14
You try. I remember the best and the worst, man. I remember, like, I remember some moments where I’ve bombed so bad that it is seared in your DNA. Mhmm. You know that feeling?
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01:57:25
Oh, yeah.
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And it’s usually ones where you’re not to blame, but the buck stops here. Mhmm. You know what I’m saying? Like, where the setup is terrible, the outdoor gig. Mhmm. The I had one where god. It was ai the town of Charlotte or some some town hired me, some city. And I had to insert all these data points about the city. And we’re, like, normally, we do two or three things.
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01:57:45
I will mention two or three things in the course of a show. And if it’s ten minutes, forget it. It’s I don’t wanna be a salesperson up there. People tune out if they’re like, what are you selling me something right now?
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Right.
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And I had to say eight or nine things about the town of, was it Charlotte? And they at the last moment, we do dress rehearsal. By the way, we’re all dressing as genies, and we’re gonna have a life sai genie lamp on stage. And it’s gonna start doing smoke while you’re doing this.
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I’m like, I don’t really like any of these things, but I was newer to showbiz. I’m like, I go with it. The whole time I’m on stage, the smoke is going, like, at a %. We’re coughing. It’s going terrible. I can’t see the person whose mind I’m reading. I’m sweating.
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01:58:23
I’m trying to talk about the Billy Graham Museum. I’m dying a slow death up there. I get two things in a row wrong. And, you know, if you bomb your opener and your closer, like, you’re dead. Right. I left apologizing. You never wanna leave a stage they somehow still loved it.
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01:58:38
I don’t even know how. But I I sweated through that suit. Ai was like, I I you know, when you question what you’re doing in life?
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01:58:46
Yeah.
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01:58:46
That was ai a I’m like, maybe I’m not supposed to be doing this.
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01:58:50
Well, also, you probably say, okay. Never doing that kind of setup again.
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Kind of. But me, I’m more catastrophized, and I’m like, yeah. I should just be done. But then I came back. I came back. I picked myself up, to yeah. Funny enough, tomorrow’s my my my one of my daughter’s fifth birthday, and I’m doing a show at school for five year olds.
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01:59:09
Oh, wow.
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Yeah, man. I gotta get back. But, sweetheart. This is ai the sweet spot where they still think I’m cool.
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01:59:14
That’s cool.
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01:59:15
Ai I’m gonna be like, don’t do this and embarrass us, dad.
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01:59:17
Right.
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01:59:17
And last year, for my oldest sana, who was, at the time had just turned eight, I did his school second graders and dude, they ate me alive.
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01:59:26
Really?
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01:59:26
Because I I’m not doing this. Like, this is, you know, my sweet spot is mentalist.
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01:59:29
Right.
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01:59:30
I had to brush off the dust of my kids’ show, which I haven’t touched in, like, twenty five years. Thank god Ai not doing kids’ shows anymore. No offense to kids’ show magicians, but, like, that that ship has sailed. And, man, second graders are ruthless.
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01:59:43
Really? Ruthless. Why second graders?
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01:59:45
Because I don’t know, man. Like, ai, one kid I I finished this show. Okay? And during the show, my wife is in the room recording. I’m like, don’t record. Don’t record. And and I had I had to, like, look at my wife at one point and I whispered, this is a nightmare. Because one kid’s ai, it’s in your hand. Show me that. Show me that. And I’m like, dude, shah up. And I’m not good at it.
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02:00:04
I’m not I haven’t done it in a while.
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Right.
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So I’m just bombing on tricks. And thankfully, 95% of the crowd actually liked it. It was just these two kids who just got me. And when Ai went home, one of my neighbors saw me. And he goes to me, meh goes, oh my god. What’s wrong? Are you okay? Because my face was, like, ashen white. He thought somebody died. And I’m like, dude, I don’t I don’t, you know, I don’t even know what to say right now.
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Like, I maybe I shouldn’t be doing this. I had to at one point tell the teacher, I’m like, I’m actually like, I’m I actually do this for a living. I feel like I had to try to flex. I’m like, I have an Emmy. Like, I I sana to let them know I’m not actually this bad.
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02:00:39
Like, I
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02:00:42
That’s hilarious. Yeah. That’s hilarious. Oh. Do you think comedy is kind of a bit of hypnotizing people?
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02:00:50
Oh, yeah. The best comedians, you the pacing, the rhythm. Like, I was watching a Tom Segura special this morning. I don’t know how well you know his I mean, you know him well. But, like, he had a bit about flying first class. Do you remember that one? I don’t. Oh, he talks about, I I don’t think he’s using this material anymore. The fact that he gets upgraded. He buys coach tickets. Mhmm. It was early.
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02:01:11
It was years ago. And he gets upgraded so much that he gets first class tickets. And he go, should I not say this bit? I don’t know if I wanna take this bit.
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02:01:19
That’s alright.
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02:01:20
And he goes, it literally the moment I get upgraded, this feeling of superiority washes over me Right. Where I’m like, don’t when people walk in, don’t look at me, you poor piece of shit. Like, he’s just so he goes, I dare you if you’re in coach to try to use my bathroom if I’m in the front.
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02:01:33
I will put my hand on your chest, bro. It’s I’ve seen that a hundred times, and it’s just as funny, if not funnier every time I watch it. And it’s ai the timing, the rhythm. Mhmm. I I learned more from comedy than ever magic or mentalism. Way more.
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02:01:47
Interesting. Because we’ve talked about it a bunch, comics. I’m like, I think we’re hypnotizing people because I feel hypnotized when someone’s killing. When someone’s killing, I’m allowing them to think for me.
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02:01:57
Yep. You
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02:01:58
know, like, they’re taking me on a ai. And I’m just I’m not thinking at all about what would I say, what would I do. I’m just in their head or they’re in my head.
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02:02:08
Right. And also, when you bring someone along and when you have that, like, just you drop just amazing ai, like, just there’s so many I mean, listen. I I consume so much comedy, but, like, I love watching the rhythm, seeing where people go with it, the people that are more short form, ai, punch delivery Mhmm.
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02:02:24
Right, versus, like, a long form, like a Nate Bargatzi, ai, watching Andrew do his things. Schall’s amazing. Man, some of these guys are just like, you can’t see where the joke is gonna come and how you just squeeze every bit of juice out of the orange and the good callbacks.
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02:02:38
I think vatsal ultimate hypnotist is David Tow.
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02:02:41
Oh, yeah. David.
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02:02:42
Dave because David, there’s a rhythm. There’s a rhythm the way he does. It’s ai you just get lost in his thinking. Right. And he just takes you on the and he’s so effortless and and he does so many vatsal, ai, he’s so polished that there’s, like, this effortlessness to his movements and the rhythm and everything.
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02:03:00
It’s, like, it’s wild.
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02:03:02
Paul, Ai like Sebastian Maniscalco. I freaking love watching Sebastian. There’s so many there’s so many people that came up now that I’ve seen, like, over and over and over to watch them go up like Ai Rill. I’ve been
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a fan of for years. Ai was actually the first guy to
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recommend you to me.
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02:03:15
I love Sebastian.
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02:03:16
Shout out to Sebastian. Sai love you, Sebastian. Yeah. Was there anyone else after that?
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02:03:19
Caught up a couple people, told me you
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were awesome.
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02:03:21
Nice. Quite a
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few. Now Sebastian’s such a stand up guy.
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02:03:23
This friend of mine, when I I told him
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02:03:25
that it was Shane Gillis. It’s Shane Gillis, isn’t it? It is. Yeah. You just thought of it. You shouldn’t tyler down your guard. I just knew it. How’d you know? I just I that was it. That was the moment.
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02:03:33
What did you see? I can’t
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02:03:34
tell you coming down with right when you said this friend of mine knew I knew you’re gonna protect your parks, and I said could have been Ari, could have been Mark, and I immediately knew it was gonna be Shane Gilles because neither of those two would have said definitely not Mark, would have said kill him. He’s a witch. He’s Ai I just knew it.
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02:03:48
Yep. That’s Shane. That’s such a sense of humor too. He’s a witch. Kill him.
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02:03:56
Yep. That’s so Shane. That’s so Shane.
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Yeah. That was a little bit of a giveaway because I said it was my friend.
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Yep. That is. That was the giveaway. That
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was a giveaway because I didn’t tell you someone that I know. Percent.
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So now I’m thinking, like, he must live in Austin. Like, there was a lot of lot of indicators. Mhmm.
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02:04:13
Yeah. Whatever. But that’s part of the thing. Right. But that’s also you admitting that this isn’t, like, supernatural.
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02:04:21
I’m not psychic. So everybody when people put me on the spot and, like, tell me this right now, I I literally go, it’s not Netflix, sana on demand feature. Like, I again, that’s where these skills when people, like, why don’t you win the lottery? Why don’t you like, all these things that are silly where you don’t get what I do, apparently.
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02:04:37
Do you believe that there is any sort of psychic power that people have? Like, when when someone gets a phone call from someone they’re just thinking about?
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02:04:46
Intuition. Right. I think there’s Sai think there’s I mean, listen, that’s ai a bigger picture question, like, you know, where does your mind expand? Like, sai, like, where where what is there beyond this plane
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02:04:59
Right.
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02:04:59
That clearly, you know, people are aware of? There’s it’d be silly to think, but how do you kinda get on that frequency? There’s no question that people have an intuition. Again, could I call it psychic powers? I’ve had things happen that I can’t explain to you based on the skills I have. Does that make sense?
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02:05:14
What?
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02:05:14
What Well, I’ve I’ve guessed things from people where I didn’t do the normal way I do it. Do do you understand what I mean? Like, I normally have a there’s a series of steps on how I do it, kinda like a chess player.
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Okay.
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You get a chess player. You get Magnus Carlsen. You get the best chess player in the world. They can literally blindfold play 30 people. And I’m like, how do you how do you how are you doing that? Right? That’s like magic to me. Right. But you’re keeping track of all that stuff in your mind, and you’re doing stuff that is indistinguishable from real magic, in my opinion.
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02:05:41
But you’ve hyper focused on one skill. Mhmm. That’s what I’ve done. You just think it’s a lot of skills. What I’ve focused on is one thing is assessing what people are thinking and and what they give away that they don’t think they’re giving away. That’s vatsal.
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02:05:53
I just guess secret information for a living. But to make it exciting and entertaining, I add bells and whistles and make it interesting. Otherwise, it’d be boring.
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02:05:59
How many mentalists are out there? Like, is there a community, guys? You share notes?
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02:06:04
Sure. So Ai there’s like a I wouldn’t call it a brain trust, but there’s people I bounce ideas off of when I’m creating, kinda like you punch up jokes, where they’re here’s what’s rare in our world. There’s creators and then there’s performers. Do you know what I’m saying? Like, the writers and it’s like singer songwriters. How many people have their songs written for them? Right.
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02:06:25
Some of the biggest stars in the world.
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Right.
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And how many are, like, Taylor Swift style where you write and this and you get a piece of you in it. Yeah. And there’s something about when you write your own song. I’m not knocking people that don’t write their own song, but there’s something that you feel different.
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02:06:37
Right. Do you
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know what I mean?
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Which explains the connection Taylor Swift has to her fans.
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02:06:40
I I believe so because you’re getting a piece of you that somebody else can’t. I’m sure that Just
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02:06:44
a random pop star that gets, like, some factory
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02:06:48
You’ll still like it. Like, I freaking love a Backstreet Boys song. Don’t get me wrong. Ai can’t hear you. I want it that way, Joe. But, like, when you are with her, and I’m sure, like, Jack Antonoff, she has a huge amazing crew of writers that I’m sure get things out of her. Mhmm.
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02:07:02
And I know a lot of, like, music producers, but you feel some connection. Right. So what, again, I think is differentiating. There’s a lot of meh, but it’s a really small number that are the singer songwriter, the creator performer
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02:07:14
Right.
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Who who have the thoughts and are constantly doing new stuff.
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02:07:18
Mhmm.
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02:07:19
Because we are a cover band. Most mentalists are a cover band of other mentalists.
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02:07:24
Got it.
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02:07:24
We don’t need to do new stuff. Right. You could literally do the same thing. This is pretty amazing. I could do this for the next forty years and make a good living. God bless. And why do new stuff? Like, when Louis CK was popping out three specials a year, ai like, what the you know? Right. Why are you doing this to all the rest of us?
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02:07:39
You’re so creative. You don’t have to. And in our profession, you really don’t have to because you don’t have to bury material. Right. If I’m not putting stuff online, if I’m not going, like, crowd work the Ai model, who by the way, I love that guy.
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02:07:52
But, like, it it changed the game. Now if you wanna blow up on social, you’ve gotta be doing this or do current events, do topical, do things you can burn. Mhmm.
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But I
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can’t put my real act out there.
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02:08:03
Right. Right. Right. Sai but you enjoy the creative speak.
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02:08:05
I love it. I find it boring. If I keep doing the same stuff Of course. I’m Yeah. I’m bored. Right.
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Right.
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And I get, like, sad.
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02:08:12
Right. But it’s it’s interesting because, like, I I wonder how many people you can bounce ideas off of. It seems like you’re kind of a lone wolf. Like, the in that world, I don’t think there’s I mean, there’s a lot of comedians. Like, I could call a lot of comedians right now and just bounce an idea off of.
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02:08:28
There’s way less mentalists and there’s way more magicians. And then of the group of mentalists, if you were to do the core one, and again, this is not subjective. I’m much more, like, objective the way we looked at names. How many of them have done certain volume of TV appearance, certain volume of views?
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02:08:42
Like, which ones are getting the attention of the world and the zeitgeist? It’s a very, very small number because you gotta innovate. Right? This is like an attention economy. You have to do stuff that’s compelling to the viewer. And for me, I don’t think about myself. It’s a trick in life. I think about who’s watching.
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02:09:00
Well, that’s what do you mean by it’s a trick in life?
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02:09:03
Well, I I like, it helps you in everything in life. Right? My secret sauce is that I hold the mirror up not to ai, but to you. Do you get it? Like Uh-huh. When you’re watching and you’re watching a football thing
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02:09:14
Right.
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02:09:15
What’s intriguing is the fact that you’re a football viewer. If you’re meeting somebody and you wanna be memorable, learn more about them. Start listening more. Like, I’ll I’ll tell you a story. I met Steven Spielberg. I did Steven Spielberg’s dad’s birthday. And I got in that ram. Have you met Steven Spielberg?
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No.
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And Ai, like, you know, a crazy fan. Like, I can’t explain to you how many movies he had as a kid that were life changing. And I’m like, dude, Close Encounters, third ai? Like Yeah.
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He’s one of the greatest of all
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02:09:40
time. Ever. Yeah. And so I’m in the room. I’ve done stuff for his family. This is not ai a big blowout corporate event. It’s ai 80 people. Hope he doesn’t mind sharing this. And and it was great ai. Amazing. And at the end of it, I’m, like, getting some Ai with Spielberg.
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02:09:56
Right.
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02:09:56
And I walk up to him, and we spent almost twenty minutes talking to each other, which is ai I didn’t expect that. I thought I’d be like, oh, great. You know? Do you know how many questions I had a million questions. Do you know how many questions I asked him?
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How many?
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02:10:08
Zero. Really? Zero. And that’s like right there, I learned a lesson in life that applies to everything. That’s why Steven Spielberg. He is naturally curious. This guy, wealthy beyond belief, stories beyond ai, he could make it ego driven, and he could have been telling me, oh, this Ai would have been hanging on my every word.
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02:10:25
Mhmm. But instead, he wanted to know more about meh, and he kept asking me I was like, just pause, dude. I have, like, a lot of questions. Like, come on. And so I learned, and I could’ve just left that and been like, ai. I didn’t get any questions in with Steven Spielberg.
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02:10:40
But instead, I realized this is the person at the highest level of what he does. And he is naturally curious, and he lets other people ai. And this is something to do in life Right. Which is you don’t know when you meet somebody who they’ll be or what they’ll be or what can I’m not doing it from a transactional sense.
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02:10:56
But why I’ve had so many TV appearances is when I go into a place, I’m gonna do stuff for the security guard. I’m gonna do something for the person who irons my shirt. I’m gonna leave that place like a bomb went off of amazement where everyone around there now likes you, and you don’t know when they’ll jump ship to another network, to another thing.
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02:11:11
And if they like you, saloni one zero one, they’re gonna wanna keep doing business with you. And so those people become your champions elsewhere. And that’s kind of a lesson where he could’ve talked about himself the whole ai. He didn’t.
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02:11:23
Interesting.
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02:11:24
So I shouldn’t either. When you go to other places, let other people shine. And that’s something I’ve carried with meh, and I think that’s a superpower in life that most people don’t do. They think, what am I gonna say next?
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02:11:35
Right. That’s kind of the key to running a good podcast too because you really wanna extract the most out of the person possible. Right. Where you just want ai questions are basically just try to get you expand and I would just wanna find out how you think.
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02:11:49
Right.
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02:11:49
And for Spielberg, a guy who deals in all these stories and narratives and all these characters and heroes, to meh a unique character like yourself is probably really fascinating to him too because he’s probably like, oh, I don’t know anybody like this. Right. You know, like, what are you doing? How you doing? Like, and now now he’s got ai a new tool in his toolbox.
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02:12:09
Totally. Ai?
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02:12:10
Because he’s got you. Right. Like, this, you know, you have the spectrum of possibilities in terms of ai the humans that you meh. And then you meet one that’s outside of that, you’re like, oh, I hadn’t even considered you before. Right. What do you where how’s who the fuck are you?
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02:12:25
That was pretty much the question. And then he had, like, he but he was interesting because, I don’t know if you get this, but I get, like, x like, the 20 questions is what I call it, air quotes.
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02:12:35
Yeah.
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02:12:35
Which is, how’d you get into this? Like, the the the opening questions, which you can’t blame someone. If you got a weird job Right. People wanna about it. Right? Like, oh, did something in your family do? It’s ai, there’s all these questions you’re gonna get every time. God bless people. I don’t hold it against them.
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02:12:48
Mine is always, I’m doing, like, a sound check for a gig. And then there was, like, alright. So we got this. We got this. I go, don’t you know that we have that? Ai, you know? Like ai, I’m like, okay. So just real quick, where’s the green room? Like, you don’t know already?
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02:13:01
And I’m like, okay. This is this is good. Ai just smile, and I’m like, you know, I never heard that one before, but it’s, it it it’s you get that.
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02:13:08
Yeah.
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02:13:09
But in this situation, again, it’s like he he didn’t ask those questions. He was very uniquely finding ants questions that weren’t ai the usual.
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02:13:19
Of course. Because of study, I mean, he studies humans. Right. I mean, to be a great filmmaker the way he is, to do Schindler’s List, to do
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02:13:26
Oh, that’s that’s such a heavy movie, man. Have you seen that recently?
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02:13:30
Ai Ryan. Yeah. I mean, he’s got heavy movies. And then, you know, Close Encounters is one of my favorite movies of all time. I mean, the it’s interesting, you know, one of the thing that I really liked about that movie is he, after he became a father, changed how he felt about the ending of his own movie.
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02:13:46
He wouldn’t have the father leave everybody.
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02:13:48
Oh, wow.
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02:13:49
Yeah. Because the end of the movie, Richard Dreyfus’ character gets on the the spaceship and leaves the aliens.
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02:13:55
Wow.
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02:13:55
He’s like, I would never do that.
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02:13:56
I didn’t know that. Yeah. Did they film it or no?
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02:13:59
Well, he it was after the fact, like, you know, he made the movie, I believe, when he was younger. He didn’t have children. And then as time went on, you know, he looked back on it. He go, like, oh, god. I would never leave my kids to go on this fucking UFO. Right. Nor would I, nor would you. No. No.
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02:14:15
Like, but in this idealistic version of who he thought the Richard Dreyfus character was and the circumstances, like, he had to leave. He had to go. You gotta go with the aliens.
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02:14:24
I sure as hell meh my phone out and try and get good footage for a change. I’m, like, right here. Good stuff. Ai like the Tic Tac and Gimbal, but I wanna see it close-up and high def.
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02:14:32
I know.
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02:14:33
You got anything? Off air. You got something? Come on.
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02:14:36
I I have off air of what I think are people bullshitting me.
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02:14:39
Oh, I you don’t have to be off air. I’ve watched these. I can read people. I can tell.
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02:14:43
On on air
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02:14:44
Where the snake oil is.
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02:14:45
But Yeah. I feel it. Ai that’s where it’s instinctive. Like, I don’t have the tools that you have, but there’s a part of me vatsal, like, something meh. I told Jamie
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02:14:55
when I walked in here and I said, this is again, pass the sniff test. And pardon my French, but everyone takes crap. Right? Everyone in the world. I don’t care if you’re the pope. You take a crap. So if they’re being held in a facility, someone’s taking craps.
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02:15:07
Right.
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02:15:07
And who’s cleaning it? I don’t think the scientists are. There’s a janitor. There’s someone in that room. So are you telling me that there’s nobody in there that’s got a four zero one k, health insurance, some sort of how is someone not getting? Tell me explain to me what NDA they’re signing or what they’re doing that if they found this out, someone loose lips syncs ships.
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02:15:26
Somebody would have told somebody who works in that facility who’s not the scientist, who’s not the military person, and word gets out. How is that buttoned up tight where nothing gets out ever? Well For fifty years, you’re telling me there’s a basement somewhere in this country, eight stories down where they got those things that no one else knows who’s credible and can release it.
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02:15:47
How? Occam’s razor. What do you think?
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02:15:49
I think the government can keep things secret for a long time. I think they did with the Manhattan Project. I think they’ve done it with other projects in the past. I think it’s possible.
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02:15:58
You think it’s silo? It’s just ai? Nobody knows all the info.
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02:16:01
Because people do talk. There has there’s a lot of people talking, and people share similar stories, and they have for decades. And I I think there’s something to it. I just don’t know what it is. I think, you know, we had, Jesse Michaels on yesterday who has this amazing show on YouTube, probably the best YouTube show, on aliens and UFOs and UAPs.
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02:16:22
And he’s very agnostic in his thinking, and he’s he’s very objective. And he also is very, very, very thorough as far as his understanding of the information. And even he is baffled, as much as he knows. But he knows more about siloed technology than pretty much anybody does in in regard to this UAP phenomenon.
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02:16:44
Right.
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02:16:45
And he points to this guy, Thompson Brown, who, was working on gravity technology in the nineteen fifties. They were they had working models. Like, they they they he thinks that they have some sort of a gravity propulsion device. But then there’s things like Roswell, where the crash like, if all those stories are true, that’s too early. It’s ’47. There’s too early.
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02:17:09
There’s no way they had working models of these these devices back then. So he thinks it’s possible, you know, he’s not a I know this is true. He thinks it’s possible that it is both United States government secret projects that people are seeing, and there’s probably quite a few of them.
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02:17:25
We actually pulled a few of them up and showed some of them that look like UFOs that probably is part of what people are seeing. But he thinks it’s also probable that there’s some other things, and these other things could be from anywhere. And then there’s just the Fermi Paradox, ai, if they’re all out there, where are they? There’s so many planets. There’s so many galaxies.
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02:17:45
Well, that’s that’s gotta be the case.
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02:17:47
It has to be the case. It’s sai question of whether or not they have visited or whether or not they’re here.
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02:17:52
Right.
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02:17:52
You know? And then there’s this, like, weird Peruvian mummies that we went over that these tridactyl mummies that they take, CAT scans of, and you see the tissue and the bones and, you know, they they were all found in what what is it called? What’s the kind of earth that they found that these things are? The dye something? Do you remember what it is? But they were all dried out.
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I know the I know exactly what you the description, but I don’t remember the word.
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02:18:20
Something earth. I I know the word. I can’t it’s it’s escaping me right now. All this stuff is very fascinating.
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02:18:27
So all this in a
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02:18:28
Ancient depictions on cave walls of these things, and we pulled up these, tapestries. They’re a thousand years old that had these three fingered creatures. Very weird. Very weird. But that don’t necessarily doesn’t mean they’re alien. Right. You know, we talked to we talked rather about, all the various versions of human beings that they’re finding now.
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02:18:48
You know, from Denisovans to the ai of Flores, Hobbit people, that there’s ai this there’s a weird variety of humans that went extinct.
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02:18:57
Right.
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02:18:57
And these tridactyl things could very well have been that.
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02:19:01
Yeah. You had it was Christopher Meh. Right? Mhmm. And I that was my favorite one.
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02:19:05
Yeah.
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02:19:05
Because he had I think I I don’t wanna butcher, but I think he called it ultra terrestrial. It makes the most sense, which is think about right now if you just drop the bottle in the ocean. Ai? What are the odds you ever run into that bottle in the ocean? It’s impossible. That’s what time is.
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02:19:18
If we’ve been around for thirteen billion years, sure, there’s aliens, but how do you we’ve only been around for a few thousand. Like, it’s such an infant it’s it’s a grain of sand in the whole beach. Mhmm. So what if you what would you do? Right now, if we had technology a thousand years from now, two thousand years from now. Right? AI multiply it out, the whole nine. What would you do?
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02:19:38
You’d send these things everywhere.
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02:19:40
Sure.
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02:19:40
Just like sci fi and you’d plant them, and you’d come out every now and again and check what’s up.
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02:19:44
Sure.
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02:19:45
So that’s I I don’t I don’t my likeliest thing is I don’t think there’s any biological beings or aliens. I think you’ve just got automated drones in essence Mhmm. That are running patterns ai have some sort of a like, I don’t know. That makes way more sense.
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02:19:56
It certainly could be that. I mean, that’s what we’re doing currently on Mars. Right. And it’s what we do with, you know, probes, you know, with the James Webb Telescope, a lot of different things that we use. We just send a machine out and get information from it. And then also, I think at a certain point in time, we’re being realistic about what we’re doing right now.
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02:20:14
We’re gonna have biological beings, and then we’re gonna have some kind of digital being. We’re gonna have some sort of a whether it’s whether it’s, an actual physical robot or whether it’s just an artificial intelligence that’s a signal that we can send and, you know, it has enough compressed information where it can compute and calculate and do I mean, it’s a technology beyond our wildest wildest dreams is a thousand years away from now.
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02:20:41
Right? But a thousand years away, we have a god. Right? So would would if if you extrapolate where we’re at now with quantum computing and the ability to calculate things that if you turn the entire universe, every molecule of the universe into a computer, it would take you so much time according to Marc Andreessen that the universe would die of heat death before it could solve an equation that a quantum computer can solve in minutes.
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02:21:06
Right. This is we’re talking about nuts.
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02:21:08
No. It’s crazy.
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02:21:09
And this is just 2025 stuff. You know, if you looked at the Internet from 1994, it’s ai archaic fourteen four modem.
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02:21:18
I remember it. I remember it. I’m that generation.
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02:21:20
You know, that’s thirty one years ago. So, like, what are we talking about when we’re we’re dealing with thirty one thousand years? So conceivably, a life form has existed and gone through the same stages as us without catastrophes, without nuclear war, without all the things that could trip us up.
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02:21:35
We we could be dealing with things that are beyond our imagination, literally beyond our imagination, and they’re probably around us all the time. I had an idea that I wondered. I’ve always thought, what if ideas are life forms?
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02:21:50
Right.
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02:21:51
Because we think of life as being it has to breathe, it has to have cells, it has to but everything in this room and everything in this city and everything on this planet that’s of of man made physical object came out of an ai. And the ideas compound upon each other. The, you know, the more people working on these ideas, the more competition, the more the ideas will flourish, and the more the eyes the ideas will be more complex and and more efficient versions of this idea.
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02:22:19
Like, it has but it has to start as a creative thought inside someone’s head. And either a creative thought that you can apply to existing creative thoughts or a completely unique one ai Francis Crick or, you know, when they’re figuring out certain aspects of biology or certain aspects of the quantum field, whatever they’re doing that’s com that’s a breakthrough thing.
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02:22:39
Like, where is that coming from?
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02:22:41
Ai
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02:22:41
coming from an idea. And then these ideas, they manifest itself in physical form through human labor.
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02:22:49
Well, it’s Schrodinger’s cat, right, does it happen if you don’t observe it? Mhmm. That’s the weird thing about quantum physics. Right? It’s completely you can’t imagine it, but if you don’t open that box, nothing’s happened yet. It hasn’t happened until you observe it.
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02:23:03
Right.
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02:23:03
They prove that.
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02:23:04
Well, that’s where it gets really weird, you know, when when people there’s a lot of people that are deciding now that to approach it approach it as if consciousness is the reason these things exist, not consciousness is seeing that these things exist, that they only exist when you’re interacting with them, which is ai, what?
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02:23:27
Some of the stuff when you read that like, I’ve read books about string theory, about quantum physics. It’s just they’re too it’s too hard to
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02:23:34
Mhmm.
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02:23:34
Process in the real world when you like the table, but the table’s actually empty space. Right. There’s almost nothing in it sana. Yeah. Every atom I don’t even know what the the numbers arya. Get ai Neil sai, but how small is the nucleus and the actual physical items out of it?
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They’re empty. Everything’s empty.
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Everything’s empty. And then you get to subatomic and you’re ai, okay. And well, now this is just pure wizardry.
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Right.
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Yeah. If they exist and they don’t exist.
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This is, something Michael Jackson said about ideas. Start, like, right here.
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Phillips says, we went and met with Ai, and Kenny said, Michael, you’ve gotta stop. We’ve got an incredible show. We don’t need any more vignettes. Michael said, but Kenny, God channels this through me at night. I can’t sleep because I’m so supercharged. Kenny said, but Ai, we have to finish.
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Can’t God take a vacation? Without missing a beat, Michael said, you don’t understand. If I’m not there to receive these ideas, God might give them to Prince.
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Incredible. Just an incredible Michael slept one night, and that’s why Purple Rain exists. Did you know that? Little Meh Corvette was gonna have a totally different meeting with Michael Jackson.
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Isn’t that crazy?
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Too soon? Too soon?
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God might give them to Prince.
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Yeah. Wow. Wow. Well, songs are interesting like that. You know who I met last year? I was in Sweden. I did this conference. Brilliant ai. Amazing. And I met Max Martin. Do you know who that is? No. Max Martin is, you should look this up, how many hits he has. So Max Martin has, I think, more number one hits than anyone but Paul McCartney. Check that if I’m right. But I got there. There’s so many interesting people.
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It was amazing conference. And I was ready to geek out with him because I’m just so curious. It’s the creative. Like, how does somebody come up with something is fascinating to me. Right. And one of his recent songs was, Blinding Lights by The Weeknd. Mhmm.
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You know, I sana such a massive hit, and I just I I love that song, and I just like just like perfect. Sounds like a movie track in my mind. And how did you do that? Like, how you know, where did you start? Did you guys have a beat?
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Did you know the lyrics? Like, I’m just so curious. How does that happen? Is it, like, in ten minutes? Is it months?
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And he just walked me through, like he had a vision. We have this. We have, like, all this stuff that we sit down and then the first the music then the I’m like, just wow. It’s so amazing to create something like that that a billion people now listen to number one in every country in the world.
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It’s like, how do you manufacture something so kind of perfect that everyone in the world likes it?
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Yeah.
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And is there a point you know it’s gonna be the hit before it is the hit? That to me is the most like, how many bands get stuck for the rest of their life playing a song that they freaking hate that they didn’t know was gonna be there, especially if you’re a one hit wonder Yeah.
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You’re, like, dead in the eyes. You’re like, I gotta play this again. Yeah. I gotta you know? Come on, Eileen. Like, I you better love that song.
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You love a song and the artist doesn’t wanna sing it anymore.
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Like Oh. And then they start singing in a different way at a concert? And you’re like, why ai you doing this weird acapella, bro? I wanna hear it like the radio.
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Yeah. That’s that’s interesting. That’s ai of the difference though between musicians and anybody else. Because musicians, you wanna hear the same thing over and over again.
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Exactly. Yeah. I have that a little bit where if I get clients who book me over and over, they’ll they’ll I say to them, do you want me to do something different? Because it’s ai jokes. Right. You know, ai like, I’ve seen Gaffney, and you’re gonna do Hot Pockets. Like, people call it out, and I wanna hear it, but you know the punch ai.
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Right. Right. Right.
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Something that especially you’re known for. So I found that if I did a completely different show, people are kinda mad. Like, you you I don’t have exit surveys, but, like, I I I kinda listen in and see what’s going on. And, like, I wish you did that one. Bon Jovi has gotta do living on a prayer at every gig where people are pissed.
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For me, I need at least two of the things to be the same because people wanna see if they can catch it the second time.
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Got
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it. So there’s a level of they heard about it, and they’re like, oh, you gotta do that thing with the thing, like, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And so if I do everything new, yeah, they’re kinda happy, but they still want a greatest hit. And it took me years to learn that because I used to be like, oh, I can’t do the same thing. I gotta be, you know, unique.
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And then I I learned that that’s
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not that’s not better. You know, I was just thinking, like, mentalists would be
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the best police interrogators. Right. Minority Report style. Right? Don’t you think?
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Like, if someone but don’t you think of a police interrogator learn the skills of being a mentalist?
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I think they could. But, again, it’s the best analogy that I can give you is a director holding the camera. I’m always holding the camera and pointing at what I want. Does that make sense? What police interrogator is gonna say, okay, to the perp, think of where you were that ai. Look this way. Look that way.
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Do you’re ai, you they’re not gonna do all that stuff.
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Right.
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And this is done when it’s done under the guise of entertainment.
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And if they do do that, you’re kinda leading the witness.
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You could lead whatever. People are gonna it’s not a it’s not a shah. So you’re not gonna have a willing participant. You can’t be hypnotized against your will. Most stage hypnotists, they do compliance testing first. Mhmm. Do you know what I mean by that? They have everyone in the audience hold your hands together and imagine in, like, in, like, who can’t get their hands apart?
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And the person goes like this right away, they’re like, I’m not bringing them on stage. Right. They’re they’re not doing anything.
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Right.
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You have to be able to be hypnotized. You have to be suggestible. Mhmm. Mine isn’t necessarily suggestible, but mine is a maze where every time you hit a roadblock, I’m moving you around until I get you to the spot where you go through. And so that’s why you asked me why I didn’t do this. It wasn’t gonna work. I knew it wouldn’t.
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I have I have more things planned than you know right now.
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Okay.
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I’ve been thinking about this for a while, but but I’m not gonna do them all.
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Okay.
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Because, again, how you structure an act, you leave the best for last. Ai never leave here doing
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the best for now. Down the home stretch.
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Are we are we home stretched? Are we at the final moment? We’re we’re
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we’re almost at three hours.
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So you wow. This goes ai.
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Flew by.
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Remember when you asked me, did I wake up early or late?
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Right.
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The only thing I got wrong. Right. Right? Except Right. Well, he said the vowel, but he thought of Meh, but either y was the you know what I mean? That was a little bit tricky because a, e, I, o, u. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Here’s what I wanna do. You said $50.50 coin flip.
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Okay.
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And I brought one. You said who has coins? What do we got here? A coin. What is it? Candy half. Right?
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Yeah.
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Alright. Let’s go. Ai feel like one is not exciting enough. That’s like a football game.
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Here’s here’s
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what I do. I don’t know if you can see any from over there. Let’s do three tosses. Okay. Statistically, how many we get right?
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Two? One and a half.
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Alright. Alright. Either way. Call it in the air. Okay.
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Can you
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see me over there? I’m gonna try the table’s real busy.
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Okay.
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Call it in the air.
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Tails.
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You go in tails? Yeah. What do we get? Heads. Alright. Alright. The whatever. O for one.
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Okay. Did you
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feel good about it when you did it? No. Okay. I took a while to get it.
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Should I really put it in my head?
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No. Do what I mean, it’s a coin flip. It’s not a trick. Okay. Now it gets in your head because you guessed it, and you’re like, fuck. It didn’t work the first ai. But I nobody cares. Nothing riding
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on us. Right.
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You already caught in the air. What are you going? With? Tails. You’re going tails again?
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Yeah.
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You’re going tails again? Yep. I can’t I I see, I that time, I would never change. It’s heads. O for two. Ai. Alright. Third try is charm. Okay. You think you got it? Yep. What are the odds on that? So this has gotta be your shot. Call it. Tails. Tails? I just go tails never fails.
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What do we get, Joe? You’re O for three. Heads again. You’re O for three. You done? Nope. You want one more? Sure. You insist? Yeah. Alright. You’re not done.
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I said three. Okay. Should I go over here? Has that envelope been there the whole time?
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This envelope? Yes.
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We sealed this Right. The moment I arrived at the studio. Right. Okay. You’re gonna get it this time just for the rest.
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Okay.
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Call. Tails. Tails?
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Yeah. Fuck.
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04.
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Are you doing this?
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I’m not doing anything.
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You you’re not making it land on heads?
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O 4. Do you
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know how to do it? Like, do you have a method?
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Call it. Call whatever you want.
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Tails.
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So did I do it? You said it with
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What is it?
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It’s heads. But that was that didn’t count. That didn’t count. You’re just bad luck.
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Is that five in a row?
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Five in a row.
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That seems odd. Let’s try one more.
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Just to double check the
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Do it yourself.
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Still there.
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Do it yourself. Double check what, Jamie?
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Double check there’s still tails on there.
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There’s
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still tails. Okay.
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Just checking. But this doesn’t count because this one’s yours. Oops.
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That was very clumsy of me.
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Put it anyway. Do it on table. I just didn’t have room on the table.
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It’s tails.
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But did you guess tails? Yeah. Oh, okay. I just
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kept going. I feel you just gotta want tails in
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the middle. A trick. It’s statistical. Alright.
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But statistically, five in a row of heads, it seems odd.
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I said to you, I hope everyone stayed along for this journey. I said this is your future.
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This is my future.
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Right? But I lied. Past, present, and future.
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Oh my god.
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Hold on. I’m gonna come over there.
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It’s a lot.
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Open up. It’s your you’ll see what I meh. But I want you to open it you open it up. There’s two things in there. Now freeze right there.
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Okay.
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Show us what you have.
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Two envelopes?
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Well, not ai on envelope.
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But one’s folded piece of paper.
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Piece of paper.
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And one is a Manila envelope that’s
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Is it alright if I come over is it taped is it taped everywhere?
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Yes. Taped everywhere.
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So I’m coming over.
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Okay.
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Let’s see what we got. You wanna do it? Can you guys hear me?
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We’re gonna open it. Where am I
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is the camera here?
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This is Ai, but I have the There’s
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a camera over there.
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There’s a camera. Okay. You tell me. Okay. I’ll go around you. I just wanna make sure you can see this. Alright. Joe, look inside.
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Okay.
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I want you to look ai. And before you grab no. No. No. No. Look. Look. Look. Look.
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Okay. I’m looking. And tell
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meh, you see it says two words. Can I turn this around?
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It says Joe Rogan
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It says Joe Rogan. And I don’t sana touch. Will you do it? I don’t wanna touch. Grab that one, that pink one ai. And read to us. Grab it. That’s your pass. Hold on to this. Okay. Read out loud. That’s been in there from before we started.
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It says Joe Rogan will get three coin flips in a row wrong. Insist on doing one more and
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then get that one wrong too. The present. You can’t change that. The past. Joe, take out what’s in there. Okay. Tell us all. Look around the edges. Is this it’s stapled. Stapled. Like, I usually used to lick
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stuff. Shut.
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Feel it right. Like, do this. Bring this over. I want you to see. Look. Look. No. You I don’t sana touch. I just want you to, like, look around.
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Yeah. It’s fully stapled.
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Stapled. Is there any when I walked in here, Joe, I made a big thing of it. I said, I want you to have this before.
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Right. Sealed. It’s been here the whole time. Sealed.
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02:33:33
Yes. Impulsive spontaneous in the moment. Got it. And I said to you, did something get in your head? Who earlier, when I said any fighter you’ve ever you’ve ever seen, what fighter came to mind?
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I said Anderson Silver.
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Anderson Silver.
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Yeah.
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And how many fighters rip it open.
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Okay.
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How many fighters did you say cycled through your head? And I said, be very specific. How many fighters do you think cycled through your head?
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I don’t know. I said a dozen at least.
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Is did he say a dozen? With 14. You said 14. Ai. Please open that up. Take that out. Okay. And I want you to please read what’s been in there from the moment I walked on this set.
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It sai, Joe will have 14 fighters go through his head, but with Anderson Silva in the end and a fight that he won.
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02:34:22
Past, present, and future.
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That’s insane.
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Past, present, future. The other piece of paper, there’s one that’s got
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literally insane. Because at first, I was gonna go with Zabit. Zabit, Magamab Magamob, Sharov.
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Do this. Grab the other piece of paper. It’s got a paper clip. Freeze right there. This is the future. Stop. Stop. Don’t move. Hold it right there in your hands.
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Okay. I’m holding it.
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Nobody knows the future.
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Nobody knows the future.
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It’s true. Nobody does. Right. Imagine right now, best magic trick in the world. Boom. I throw a smoke bomb.
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Right.
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Disappear. Disappear.
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Right.
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Anyone ever someone famous, though. Otherwise, I sana see my grandma again. Okay. Appears right here instead. Imagine you literally we I don’t want Jamie to do it, but you pull up a photo. You show me this person’s photo.
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02:35:02
Got it. It.
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Say it. Who the who do you see right there in that chair? Say it. What’s their name?
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02:35:08
Miles Davis.
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Can I ask you a question?
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Yes.
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Because I like this. I here’s what I always like to do. I always call it the grass is greener. I can see when people’s eyes shift. When they have one person and they’re like, I want that person, but that’s the front of their mind. I can always get in the front. But for this to be a legendary ending, who is in the back? Who is the person you thought of before, Miles Davis? Tell us.
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Muhammad Ali.
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Muhammad Ali. Right? That’s what I love. The gold standard. The reason you’re gonna talk about this for years is because you change your mind ai last moment. That’s been in there from when I walked in here. Look at what’s in there right now.
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Muhammad Ali. How is that possible? That’s insane. You are a witch. We’re gonna have to kill you. Lock the door, Jamie. Bam. That’s really insane, man. That’s really weird. I wanna ask you how you do this, but you’re not gonna tell me.
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Yeah. Off camera. Tell you everything. You show me where Bob Lazar is hiding the UFO.
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I wish I knew. I wish I knew. That’s insane, dude. That’s crazy. It was Anderson Silva versus Rich Ai Rich Franklin.
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Oh, what a good fight.
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What a great fight.
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This you keep. This you keep. You lock in the safe or when I come next time, assume the close.
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I will.
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I’ll be back.
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Sana the safe. This is, really nuts, man. I don’t know how you did it. It’s really crazy. The coin flip, the 14 different fighters, like, all of it.
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Thank you.
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Fucking nuts, man.
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02:36:32
Change your bank PIN code right now. Change it.
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02:36:34
Yeah. I’m going to. Jesus Christ. Jamie, anything to add to this?
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Nope. We should’ve walked off when you
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just just
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silent. We should’ve just sana it there.
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This is ai pure wizardry, dude. I I don’t know how you’re doing it. Appreciate that. I I don’t think you’re ever gonna be explained to me either. Thank you.
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I appreciate you, man. I’m a huge fan for many years, and I love what you’re putting out in the world. And I’m telling you, I just I love it, and thank you so much. I’m honored to be here.
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It’s an honor for me too. This is, like, truly insane. I’ve been blown away before, but I don’t think I’ve ever been blown away this much. This is really nuts. And, it it’s, like, shattered my world view. I have to rethink how I think about everything and what signals human beings give off and, like, how someone could read something like that.
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02:37:20
Pretty nuts. Thanks, brother. Thank you ai.
