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#2326 – Jimmy Carr Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, several key topics and themes are explored, with a focus on mental health, authenticity, and the human condition. The episode features discussions on the importance of mental health awareness, emphasizing the need for therapy and self-care to improve personal well-being and relationships. The stigma surrounding mental health is highlighted, with a call to action for listeners to prioritize their mental health.
The conversation also delves into the concept of authenticity, particularly in the context of long-form podcasting, where genuine, unfiltered discussions are valued. The idea that “how you do anything is how you do everything” is discussed, emphasizing consistency and work ethic across various aspects of life, including career and personal health.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the exploration of creativity and the impact of overstimulation from social media and technology. The speakers discuss the value of having time to think and generate ideas, contrasting it with the distractions of modern digital life.
The episode also touches on the potential implications of UFO disclosures, with a discussion on the pros and cons of revealing such information to the public. This leads to a broader conversation about the impact of knowledge and truth on society.
Recurring themes include the importance of unique experiences, the role of comedy in addressing serious issues like depression, and the balance between career achievements and personal fulfillment. The episode encourages listeners to seek meaningful connections and experiences, highlighting the significance of empathy and agency in personal interactions.
Overall, the episode provides actionable insights on improving mental health, embracing authenticity, and finding balance in a fast-paced, technology-driven world.
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#2326 – Jimmy Carr Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. G. Conveyor hydrated. I’m I’m rehydrating having well, I think I got it from this shah. The sauna cold plunge thing.
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I bet you did.
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I’m so into it. That’s awesome. So addicted to it. I got like the It changes your life. It really does. It’s like it’s that dopamine for like
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You’re changing my life by crushing this liquid Ai in the most bizarre way possible.
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I don’t know. It’s like somehow it’s all smooshed up here. Yeah.
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It’s humidity.
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Alright. Well
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It probably got a little humidity in there. It needs one of them little packets you get in the chips vatsal you always accidentally bite.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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You know, those little things they put in there to, like, absorb humidity?
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Yeah. I
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don’t know. Again, I think that’s what they’re for. Right? Yeah.
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I don’t have any idea what this
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They absorb humidity. Is that what they do?
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Those Salt or something.
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Maybe they provide it. Do they provide humidity?
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What do they do? The I did the I’m now staying in not exclusively, but, like, I’m my hotel choice, I’m solving for places with sauna cold plunge. Uh-huh. So I can kinda do that in the morning and feel alive.
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There’s a lot more of those now.
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Well, it’s it’s great. And then but you travel the world. I travel everywhere. Yeah. So I was in, like, Vienna, and they’ve got this incredible facility. Mhmm. And I went, and it’s like, you know, it’s amazing sauna, amazing cold plunge. So I get in there. I’m having a great time.
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A guy walks in, and I get told off for wearing shorts because I’ve got swim shorts on, and it’s Austria, and they like to sauna naked.
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They wanna look at your cock.
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They wanna check it out. Okay. And Ai know I’ve got no problem with that in the sauna. I’ve got zero problem in the sauna. I tyler you where the problem comes. What? Post cold plunge. Yeah. That is some baby dick.
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You know where the real problem comes? Aggressive gay men.
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In saunas?
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Yeah.
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I mean, there was very little of that going on, I think. Well, was that at
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the time?
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Well, that’s I think saunas had that reputation for
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Meh, I’ve seen it.
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Like, if I’ve
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had a guy do it to me.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. Ai gotta look me in the eye and take his robe and, like, open up his his towel while he’s staring at me.
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Ai there more to this story? Where does this No. That feels like No. Okay. Yeah. There’s no more to the story. Is the guy okay, Joe?
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Yeah. I didn’t hurt him. I didn’t I don’t think I even said anything to him. I just went like this. And then just didn’t look at him. And then within three minutes, he put his towel back on and walked out and left. Like, so he was fishing.
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And that’s how I met
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ai out there, that’s how I met your mother.
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And that is how I met Tony Hinchcliffe. That’s the origination story.
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Yeah. It was, it was insulting because he wasn’t even a handsome gentleman, you know. Well, ai me Wasn’t even a good looking guy.
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You’re not in that business.
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Not in that business. You’re not
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in that business. You don’t know. I don’t know. Right? I know. Ai.
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I mean, there’s a lot of bears out there. A lot of guys are into the big guys, You know? They’re into big big fat hairy guys. That’s a thing.
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Right. Yeah. Ai don’t know.
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I don’t know. One guy wasn’t even that. He wasn’t even a bear.
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You see something you’re disappointed that the guy that hit on you wasn’t attractive.
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I’ve only had a few times in my life where men have aggressive remember. Not recent meh, like, within, you know, as an adult.
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In in Sana Inn No.
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One in a bar, and one in the sauna.
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Okay. So in the bar. So how did you know the guy was hitting on you?
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I knew the guy. He’s a gay guy. And he just was getting drunk, and then he started getting silly. But he got a little handsy, you know, like kept touching me.
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And I
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was like, you need to stop doing that or you’re gonna get hurt. Stop touching me. It just makes you ai, like, what it’s like to be a woman and but way worse. I think it’s Way, way worse.
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I think it’s very good for empathy to have that experience, to have a guy aggressively, drunkenly hit on you Yeah. Yeah. And to know what it’s like. But I often think, like, being a bit famous, you kinda know what it’s like to be a very attractive woman.
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Yeah. But you don’t because you’re not as vulnerable, and no one’s trying to
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No. I mean
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sink their dick inside you for a while.
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I meh, in terms of you have predictable conversations.
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That’s true.
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Ai I think I often think like ai bullshitted. Yeah. Super attractive women have the same conversation with people over and over again, and you blame them for being boring.
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Right. Where are
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you from?
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Where hey. You come around here
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a lot?
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What’s going on?
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Yeah. It’s the same conversation again and again and again. Yeah. I was thinking ai I I always noticed that my friend Roshine Connerty pointed this out to me. She said really, really attractive people, like gorgeous supermodels speak very, very slowly because no one has ever interrupted them. Ai, I speak quick because I’m rocking this.
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I I go, quick. Come on. Let’s get something going here. Come on.
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Yeah. That’s actually a very good point. Right? And, also, you probably value your opinion way too highly because no one would ever question your ability to form a sentence or to figure something out because they sana have sex with you.
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Yeah. So the the this is this is how horoscopes got big. The incredibly attractive women spoke about their horoscope, and no one went, this this sounds like some bullshit.
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It’s interesting you burnt that up because I was just watching the Danny Jones podcast today, and he had my friend Hamilton Morris sana, who’s been on this podcast a few times. And they were talking about the Reagan administration and about how the war on drugs really got arya.
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Like, this is your brain on drugs, all that stuff, Nancy Reagan’s pet project.
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Yeah.
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And it was because Nancy Reagan,
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according to Hamilton, and he
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he’s got I mean, he’s very I’ve heard this. According to Hamilton, and he he’s got I mean, he’s very
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I’ve heard this. She had, like, a guru. Didn’t she?
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Yes. But this is where ai it started. She was mocked for being, like, this frivolous person who is the wife of the president. And and Hamilton sort of relates it to the way Melania Trump gets mocked. And, you know, she had apparent she apparently famously spent ai an insane amount of money on New China for the, for the White House, like new silverware in China.
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And, Ai. Oh, like That’s how we pronounce where?
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Yeah. But that’s how we pronounce it in China. Ai. In the Trump household. China.
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But it would you know, it wasn’t a Trump household back then. It was Reagan. That was a terrible Reagan impression. But, so anyway, she went to her psychic slash whatever it is, astrologer slash whatever this kooky person is, and they gave good advice. They sai, you gotta do something to distract it, so you have to have a cause. And so her cause became the war on drugs.
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Her cause became just say no.
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Right. I I I mean, did that work out well? I forget. How the war on drugs go? How are we doing?
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Not just that. Well, Hamilton points out how many people were arrested and how many lives were destroyed because of this decision by this one woman who was the
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Not even the ai
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of the president who was trying to cover her ass because she was looking silly in the press.
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I got I got crazy drug views. Do you wanna hear my drug views? I would love to hear your drug views. Ai Sai the meh, specifically. Okay. I think marijuana should be illegal for the under thirties. I think it should be legal 30 to 50, and then I think over 50, mandatory.
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That’s not bad. I don’t like the 30, but I in all defense, I did not start smoking marijuana until he became 30.
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Well, I think it’s that thing of, like, there’s performance enhancing drugs. Right? Mhmm. And then there’s and and there’s there’s lots of them. I mean, testosterone is probably the the biggest and the best. Right?
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Oh, there’s way better ones than testosterone.
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Well, but testosterone in terms of the world. Like, if you look at the world, like, people often quote the fact that
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Yeah.
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Most of this, you know, the biggest CEOs in the world are male. Yeah. But also ai five percent of the prison population is male because what testosterone gives you is its risk. It’s the chemical for risk. So people take high risk. So they end up with all the rewards, but also destitute.
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Single moms also have higher testosterone. Do you know that?
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I never knew that.
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Yeah. Women that are forced to, like, take care of themselves and forced to, like, make all the money and run the household and take care of the children, their their testosterone naturally rises. Yeah. Also, women have more testosterone than they do estrogen.
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Yeah. That’s interesting, isn’t it?
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Wild. Yeah. I never knew that until I forget who who said it. I was like, that’s kinda crazy.
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But it’s that thing of, like, you know, for young women. If you’re talking to young women, like, what would the advice be? And it’s like because young men take risks. Right. Right? But young women tend not to take the same risks, but maybe if you do more calculated risks, kind of levels the playing field a little bit.
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Playing field for what game?
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Well, I suppose career. For what what choices you make in in life.
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I think I wonder how much crossover there is between women’s decisions, career paths, and men’s. Like, how how often are women actually competing with obviously, they do. But how often? You know what I mean? Like, if if there wasn’t any societal pressure for a woman to be a career woman and a boss girl, you know, because there’s a lot of that.
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There’s, like, pressure to, like, show that you’re as good as everyone else who’s also doing this and, you know, Sally is a CEO, you
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should be a CEO too, and there’s a
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lot of pressure. But if you just let them decide their own path, how much crossover there would there be with men and women?
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Sai don’t know. I mean, I read a lot of, it’s like Mary Harrington and Louise Perry, these ai of great feminist writers. And they often sort of talk about this thing of, like, going, we talk about one stage of feminism above, and there’s three. There’s like there’s the there’s the bryden, which is, you know, the young woman out for a career who can do just as they can do anything a man can do.
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Right? Absolutely. And then there’s motherhood, which a man cannot compete. But feminism doesn’t really talk about motherhood that that much. It’s like it’s become almost like a right wing thing to, like, celebrate motherhood. Right?
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And then there’s the what what they call the crone, the older woman postmenopausal who’s absolutely pivotal in our society. Mhmm. If you think about anyone having a crisis, just a a woman comes from nowhere in her fifties or sixties and makes your cup of tea and takes care of you.
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Mhmm. It’s like it’s an incredibly that grandmother figure is so important in our culture, in our ai, and it’s not celebrated enough, I don’t think.
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No. Well, I I had a bryden one of my specials back in the day about my mom. My mom actually did say this. She voted for Hillary Clinton because she said, you know, I just want a woman to be president. And I said, you already make all the people. Like That’s right. Ai go, you make all the people. There’s 8,000,000,000 people. All of them made ai woman. I go, you sana be president too? You fucking greedy bitch.
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I’m like, what else you want? All the money? You sana all you want a bigger dick? Like, what what do you want? You want everything?
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We don’t celebrate the craziest thing, which is women make human life. Without them, it is not possible for any of us to be here. And that is almost, like, inconsequential. It’s ai you’re not even
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We don’t even we don’t even talk about it. And the the the sacrifice made, the
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I know. Thank you for your service. Ai really should say that to every mom. Thank you for your service. You’re making humans, especially if you’re doing a great job. Yeah. If you’re a solid mom, that’s amazing. It’s an
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amazing sana. Meh. Let think about it. The best dad in the world is what? It’s a mediocre mom. Yeah. Ai, like, if if I take my kids to the playground, it’s like, oh, fantastic. If mom does it, it’s it’s kind of expected. It’s it’s it’s already factored in.
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Yeah. It is a weird thing, right, that that’s not really celebrated in society because any of us that have had good moms, real and not a most importantly, if you have friends that have evil mothers we were talking about a story we read on here the other day. Oh, where this young girl was being, like, brutally stalked online and harassed, and it turned out it was her own mother that was doing it.
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Yeah. And it’s you you can’t get over the
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How do you ai? How do you recover? How do you trust anyone for the rest of your life? Your own mother. So it’s ai, there’s so many people out there that are just going through so much just with family ai. That, like, a good mom, a mom that, like, takes care of you, like, you don’t you don’t appreciate it because you think it’s like you’re supposed to have that.
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But ai god, it’s so important. It’s so important.
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Sai ai it’s I think it is ai We’re
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more impressed with CEOs, which is hilarious.
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It’s nothing. Right? But but that thing of, like, being loved unconditionally Yeah. By your mother, and I was absolutely loved unconditionally by ai in such a a brilliant way. And you go, that it ai of gets you to self confidence. Ai, you know what self confidence is gonna feel like because that’s it’s sort of the same feeling.
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Right. Right. Right. Where you’re just accepted. Yeah. But you’re enough.
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Yeah. It’s not about what you do or
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They’re happy just to see you. Like, here’s Jimmy, my Jimmy. Give me a hug. They’re so happy to see you. Yeah. That’s beautiful. I mean, that’s what all human beings want from friendships, from everything. We all just sana be loved and accepted. And then all the other stuff is just lashing out because you weren’t loved and accepted enough.
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Or it’s trying to get that
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in a Yeah. In a weird way. A weird way. Yeah.
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Like, so you’re trying to be you know, you’re trying to collect stuff so you get Right. Respect and admiration rather than from what you do.
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And then it’s ai the mean people. Like, mean people have always been hurt. There’s no mean people that just had nothing but love. Right? That’s unless there’s some something ai, something bryden, like, like, genetically broken.
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I think you get that from having kids as well. Like, when you have kids, you start to see everyone else’s, oh, you used to be a baby. Right. Absolutely. What happened?
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Yeah. Well, some you got bad information in a bad neighborhood with bad people around you and a lot of ai, and there you are. Yeah. Yeah. And this that’s what’s always disturbed me the most about people that don’t have people that have had good lives, who don’t have empathy for the plight of people that are in, like, the total, like, economic urban struggle.
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Wait. I mean, you’re you’re preaching to the choir here. I think that thing of, like, gratitude Mhmm. As the mother of all virtues and the idea of going, we don’t see how lucky we are. Right. Because we might see it on a surface level, ai, of going, oh, you know, I’m lucky because I was I’m, you know, I’m healthy and, you know, I’m I’m able to write jokes.
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Right. But then you don’t see the kind of the layer below that of going, well, I was born with I I think, like, beauty is a really interesting thing. Right? So when you see someone and they’re born beautiful. Yeah. Margot Robbie and but you might go, oh, she’s Barbie. She’s gorgeous. It’s easy for her.
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But when you look at Oppenheimer, you don’t see well, that guy was born with an IQ of a 60 and a work ethic. Now work ethic is heritable, largely heritable, like 70% heritable. Really? Yeah.
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And you don’t see develop that?
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No. I don’t think so. I think like it’s Interesting. Well, I mean, you develop some of it And, you know, what what you inherit, what you get in your, you know, your factory settings when you come out, that’s what it is. You can only work with the other stuff. So that’s the interesting stuff.
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But
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Factory settings, you think, involve work ethic?
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Yeah. I think so. We’ll get we’ll get I
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don’t think so.
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He’s on it.
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I don’t think meh own life is a a different example.
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You think your work ethic is
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I do think it’s just Ai developed it. Recognizing that it’s vatsal. And I think a lot of it I got from martial arts. Something like my parents didn’t have a work ethic. It just it was especially the physical stuff. It was never no one in my house did anything physical. They didn’t know didn’t do any sports. Definitely didn’t do any martial arts. It wasn’t rules wasn’t inherited at all. And then the idea of pushing yourself.
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Well, I just I I learned from a young age that if you work harder than everybody else, you get better. It was just, like, simple math. And then it was also, like, dealing with this
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rather than your Willpower is
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a funny word because it’s it’s really just knowing that there’s a value in continuing to do things you don’t wanna do And that there’s a process. And it’s hard to see the process when you’re in the middle of it because it sucks and you’re tired and you don’t wanna keep doing this and it’s hard to do.
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But if you recognize, oh, the more I do that, the better I get. If you’re an intelligent person, if you’re an objective person who and ai all the factors that are at play, you go, okay, what is the major factor here in terms of, like, getting better at a thing? Well, the major factor is work.
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Like, the more work you do and the harder you work and the more intelligent you work, ai, the more intensity and the more enthusiasm you have, you just get way better than everybody else.
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Well, I’ve always thought that that’s a really interesting thing of how hard you work is important, but what you work on is the most important. Yes. You know, it’s that thing of like you were talking about horoscopes Right. Something. You it’s amazing how much knowledge and information and expert someone can be in total horseshit.
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Total horseshit. But I think this is where we get back to the Danny Jane Jones podcast. I think there might be something to the original astrology. I think the people that were, like, really studying constellations and when people were born, I have a feeling that that is some, like, really ancient civilization knowledge that we just have, like, echoes of today.
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When it got got, kind of famous in our culture was I think it was a birth of a royal baby in about 1910, something like that.
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Really?
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And the Bryden Evening Standard had they’d ram out of things to say about a royal baby. That’s cute. It’s got, you know, it’s got little baby fingers and baby toes. And so
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they know.
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Yep. And they they did that. They got someone came in and went, oh, you know it was born here and it’s it’s the year of the rat and it’s a it’s a Virgo and it’s a and that means with Sagittarius ai, and they wrote the thing. Mhmm. And then they realized everyone is kind of self obsessed and wants to read about themselves. So that’s that’s the one bit of the newspaper that’s about you. Right.
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So naturally people are drawn to that. Yeah. And it’s like cold reading. It’s like the way that they word these things, you go, well, that could apply to anyone.
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Right. But it does give you a nice chance to focus on you.
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What about what’s gonna happen with me? Yes. But what about me?
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The news? Who cares about Beirut? What about me?
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Yeah. Ai think that’s the Yeah. In the human condition, that’s gonna be a big part. Of
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course. Of course. And that’s how you sell newspapers. I think the newspaper version of the horoscope is obviously nonsense, at least partially. I shouldn’t even say obviously. But I think Sai have not studied this, and I am not committed to this. But I do think the origins, the original origins of astrology were probably based on some sort of an ancient understanding of the different effects that different stars, when they’re in alignment, have on the universe.
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And I think it’s partially bit look, We know that the moon literally makes the tide go in and out. It the gravity of the moon affects the water. It makes the tide go in and out to the point where there’s a high tide and a low tide mark at the
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beach. This is why I’m rehydrating now. Yeah. Because I realize I’m mainly water.
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Mainly water. So if we’re mainly water, like, how is that not affecting us? Is it? Is it affecting us in some weird way that we don’t totally understand?
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But the idea that a constellation, a hundred million light years away could be affecting us seems
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I don’t think that’s what the idea is. The idea is that there is an infinite number of possibilities in terms of personalities and character traits, and there’s an infinite number of factors. There’s genetic factors, there’s environmental factors, there’s all these different factors. There might be cosmic factors.
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I don’t think it’s the primary source of your personality or you how you feel about the world, But I think it might be a factor, and I think it was probably much more of a factor when they didn’t have light pollution.
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I wonder, is it one of these things where it’s a really interesting way to think about yourself and analyze yourself? It’s like almost like Sai don’t have religion, but I can see the benefits of it. I don’t think religion works because ai mass doesn’t work because God is happy, but mass works because people come together as a group and they kind of they meditate and take an hour off.
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And I sort of think the the great mistake, the tradition I’m from is Catholicism. Me too. And the great mistake was, I think they Vatsal 2, they called it. So Vatican 2 is where they translated the Latin into whatever your local language was Mhmm. And made it more accessible.
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That was like the 15. Right?
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Yeah. And it’s such a huge mistake because the idea was to be in awe. It’s it’s not like going to church is like should be like standing in nature.
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Ai, be in awe
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of something. As soon as you translate it and you go left brain and try and make it make sense, it all falls to pieces. But it’s not a left brain. Our whole culture is left brain. Right. But it should be about right brain. It should be about the the the the gestalt, the whole thing. Mhmm. The idea of, like, there’s a mystery here. And what’s that great line?
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God God is the name we give to the blanket we throw over the mystery to give it shape. Oh, I like that. I think that’s ACDC’s roadie said that. Really?
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Yeah. That’s amazing.
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But what a piece of wisdom because
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It’s a genius piece of wisdom.
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But it is that thing of like you can call it whatever you want and you you can attach it to whether it’s horoscopes or whatever your religion is, but the idea of going there is a mystery. And even when you get to, you know, physics at the I mean, I love it when you have physicists on here.
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I Sai mean, Eric Weinstein is one of my favorite people in the world. I just think he’s a
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He’s brilliant. He’s a great great guy too.
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Yeah. Great guy. And but you you look at that and you go and they get to the Big Bang, and you go, yeah. But what happened four minutes before that? And they go, oh, we don’t know. Well well, we’re back to the mystery then.
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Yeah. Well, there there’s no escaping the mystery once you get into, like, subatomic particles. Like, what’s going on there?
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It’s also do you need religion where you go, okay, a ram selection of atoms coalesced into a form that can contemplate its own consciousness and existence for four thousand weeks. Is that not enough? Will that not do?
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No. We need miracles, Jimmy. But when go going back to the translation of the ai, one of the things I wanna say, I think the reason why that was important at the time was because that power was being abused, because most people couldn’t read Latin.
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And Most people couldn’t read. I mean, really, when you think about, reading Yes. It was the Bible was the reason. The Bible was the best seller that people went, not I’ve got to go out and read a book. I gotta It sai gotta get out.
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It was pivotal event for the Catholic church convening from 1962 to ’65. Oh, so we’re talking about a different time. So we’re thinking of the second oh, no. Vatican two? Is that what we you were
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referring to? Yeah.
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So that was 1962. What what we’re referring to is the 1500. So we’re we’re referring to, like, Martin Luther.
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Oh, no. That’s the Protestantism. That’s the idea of the
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but Well, with the translation of the Bibles into different language
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Yeah. The ai, the the
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Bible Because it was originally in Latin. Well, it was originally in That was there. Probably in Aramaic.
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Yeah. And then the but the idea of the Protestant didn’t was the idea that you went you’ve got your own relationship with God. Mhmm. So it went from being Catholics and Protestants to ultimately every individual was their own church.
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Yeah. Ai Luther’s perspective was, like, it’s open to interpretation to by you. You should develop this relationship with God through the word and that you should read and and it wasn’t up to the priest to tell you what it meant. It’s it’s fascinating,
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though, the the like, the there’s a law of history. The only one there’s one law in history, which is unintended consequences. And the consequence of that, of course, is that we we over solve for the individual in our culture now. Protestantism had such a huge influence. That’s all about the individual and less about the group. Well, isn’t shah a problem?
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Balance of
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the two. But it’s a response to the power structures that were really detrimental and the power structures of the church. I mean, there’s a reason why the priests aren’t allowed to have sex. It’s because they were fucking everybody, because they had power.
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You know what happened? What happened? Okay. The plague happened. So when the plague happened, it wiped out about a third of the population of Earth. Right? So the plague was huge. Now it had a much worse effect on the priesthood because everyone got lost rights. So when you were dying, you got lost rights.
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Oh, wow. So the priesthood was knocked out, like, ninety five percent of the ai.
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Oh my god.
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I didn’t even think
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of that.
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The standards pre the plague, the standards in the church were the smartest guy you’ve ever meh, the smartest guy in the village, the town, the region was the priest. The smartest of the smartest guy, the most intelligent guy became the bishop. And the pope was like, this guy’s a genius.
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It was the best of the best, the creme de la creme. Oh. The standards for the priesthood post, the plague, this guy’s got all his own teeth. You’re in. Uh-huh. Like, it went down. And then all that thing of, like, their plenary indulgences where you could buy your way into heaven Mhmm.
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Is all, you know, all of that came off the back of the thing. Sai the standards ai went down, and then it became kinda corrupted. How dirty is that one?
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The buying your way into heaven.
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Well, it’s I mean so
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dirty. Well, people
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don’t realize that. People often laugh at, like, the, you know, he’s gonna blow himself up to get 72 virgins. Mhmm. The Crusaders all got a fast track to heaven.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Some guy tells you.
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Yeah. Ai I’ve just I’ve just discovered this.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was having a conversation with a friend of mine the other day, and she was telling me that there’s a list of human beings that are alive today that are being considered for priesthood. Like, they have to think excuse meh. For sainthood.
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For sainthood.
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Yeah. So they have to, like, go over all these different religious figures that are alive currently and decide If
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they’re gonna be a sai.
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Who’s gonna be a saint.
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You know Christopher Hitchens, the great Christopher Hitchens. Right? Christopher Hitchens, literally you you ever heard the phrase the the devil’s advocate?
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Of course.
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He had that job. So when mother Teresa was made a saint by the Catholic church, they bring someone in when they’re making someone a saint in the Catholic church in the Vatican to to be the voice of the opposition, and he got the job. He played the devil’s advocate for real on Mother Teresa. He wrote a book about it.
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I’ve always wondered about him. Love the guy. Pissed off a lot of people. Got cancer. I hate to be the conspiracy theorist. And at the time
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You hate to be the conspiracy theorist. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know if you’re familiar with your brand, but you are the conspiracy theorist.
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At the time, I was like, wish he didn’t smoke and wish he didn’t drink. Ai, I’m like, god, I know a lot of people smoke and drink and they live forever. What the fuck’s going on? Why why did Christopher Hitchens die so young? But then again, why did Hicks die so young? Hicks died at, like, pancreatic cancer at, like, 33 or something.
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Yeah. I don’t think we can relate his death to pissing. No. No.
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No. Of course not.
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But it’s the
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Of course not.
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But it’s ai to writer. Oh. Oh, he’s genius. He was so Hitch 22, and there’s a there’s a book that he wrote about politics, the, Letters to a Young Contrarian. Meh my god. It’s like it’s it’s a those bits of it’s amazing things ai of books when people write their autobiography. And it’s ai, it just it’s a gift.
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It’s just you can you can feel like you know them.
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Well, you can also, like, imagine what would you do if you were living this person’s life. You’re going through all the various stages of their ai. You’re empathizing with them. You’re seeing their struggles. You’re seeing, you know, their whatever they’re going through.
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And you’re like, ai, what Sai do? Ai, wow, that’s great. Well, that’s why he became this way. Oh, wow. That’s amazing.
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And, you know, you you learn a lot from other human beings when they’re really open. They really let you in, you know, which is one of the things I think reasons why we detest people that are, very manufactured and closed off. Like, you know, the newscaster that you’re never gonna you don’t know a damn thing about those people,
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you know. Isn’t that why this works? Yeah. For sure. Because you go this format, this it’s lot there’s no way to hide. No way. It’s three hours of conversation. You’re gonna talk about what you’re gonna talk about. It’s gonna come up and it’s the this thing of, it’s authentic. And authenticity is what people crave.
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Oh, yeah.
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For sure. It’s playful. And I think I meh, okay. This is my big theory on life. I think play is ai we don’t stop playing because we get old. We get old because we stop playing. Yeah. I’ve seen it. In our job it’s George Bernard Shaw, I think, sai it first. Anyway But he’s wrong.
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You get old no matter what. He’s full of shit. You gotta break a hip. Yeah. Follow that guy’s advice, you’re gonna fucking roll your ankle for sure.
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Yeah. But, you know, maybe playing Twister when you’re 70. Great. That’s a good way to break a hip. But that thing of ai going play is sort of in short supply. If you think about what anyone cares about. Right? Like, people talk about sports all the time. People talk about concerts and going to see music. People love seeing comedy. Mhmm. And they love this kind of thing. But this is like play. Right? We’re we’re playing.
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And sports is playing, and theater is playing, and comedy’s playing, and there’s not enough play in life. And really, I always think of that thing like when I’m performing shows. Like, there’s an illusion that it’s me performing on stage. But actually, everyone in the room is performing. It’s a performative thing seeing a show.
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Like, if you think about when you last saw, I don’t know, Bryden Springsteen ai, and Bruce Springsteen goes, how you all doing? And the whole place goes, yeah. If if in Starbucks someone goes, how you doing? Yeah. Psychotic. You get kicked out. Ai?
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But there’s a The audience is doing their part.
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They’re doing their bit and especially ai in our game, in comedy. Meh. It’s a because the feedback loop, everything is split tested. Everything is how do you feel about that? Right. And the the one audience member didn’t know anything about comedy and jokes. Mhmm. Get a hundred of them together, genius.
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They know exactly what’s funny, what isn’t funny, what’s acceptable, where the line is, and you’re you’re getting that feedback the whole time. So like doing comedy, it’s not it’s not repetition, it’s iteration. Mhmm. It’s just that you’re getting a constant sort of feedback from these these people.
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It’s a ai of meh. Right?
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Yeah. And and people want it because they sana come out because, you know, it was that it used to be we would gather around a fire and do this. Mhmm. Right? And then we gathered around the wireless, and we talked. And then we gathered around the TV. That’s what you guys
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call the radio back in New England, the wireless?
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The wireless. That was what it was called. Yeah.
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For real?
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Yeah. For real. That was called the wireless.
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Wow.
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Yeah. And then you ever heard that? What’s the wireless? Ai wireless.
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Like cellular coverage.
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Yeah. And then it’s the but then it’s cell phones now. Mhmm. And we’re alienated. We’re more connected and less connected than ever. And then you go out I was in the mothership last night doing Kill Tony, and that audience were ai, it’s church.
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Yeah. Their phone’s in a bag. They’re not constantly distracted. Yeah. Yeah. It’s so much better. It’s it’s like a lot of people don’t like it because they don’t like it to be disconnected from their their little fucking binky, their blanket, whatever it is, their their pacifier that they have to carry around with them everywhere.
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We did it. We did a thing on holiday where we, put our phones in the safe in the morning and then checked it came back and checked them in the evening. It’s getting more difficult because everything you know, the podcast you’re listening to, the music, everything’s hooked up to this, the pictures, the camera, everything. But if you can Yeah.
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Oh ai god. It’s so relaxing.
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Yeah. I’ve talked about this before, but I broke my phone once when I was in Hawaii. And I had I was on Lanai, which is a very small ai. So I had to order it from Apple and then have it delivered. And it took, like, three days. So for three glorious days, I had no phone. And it was amazing. I was like, why don’t I do this all the time? And then right back to the phone.
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Hang on. You showed me just before the show how many unanswered text messages do you have on your phone?
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Let’s say it right now.
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Yeah. I I I think you feel you it feels like you might be disconnected.
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Well, I have to be. Otherwise, I’ll go crazy. 610.
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Unanswered messages.
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So I I just to keep going crazy, you have to be somewhat disconnected. But I’ve gotten good at, like, compartmentalizing ai, yeah. Can’t ai. Sai don’t wanna talk to anybody right now.
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Just put
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it aside. And then that creates problems because then you get needy friends, like, everything okay? Like, how come you didn’t respond? Like, I I got a hundred messages. I can’t respond.
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Well, you need sometimes you need peace more than you need attention.
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You just gotta know your own brain. You gotta know when you’re overloaded, and I know where it is. I know, like, my overheat switch. I start to sweat. Alright. I’m too hot. Turn the AC on. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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So I
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have that sort of sai sense in my brain.
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I need boredom. Mhmm. I need a little bit of boredom. I I had this thing recently, thought about boredom is unappreciated serenity. Like, travel. Like, I’m traveling a lot at the moment. I’m on tour. And sometimes you’re in an airport and there’s nothing much going on. Just Chill. Just sit. Yeah.
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Let something pop in.
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Sit and live. Yeah. Isn’t it interesting? It’s like ai creative tyler, especially, that’s very valuable to be able to have some time where you could just come up with ideas. But instead, you just flood them with nonsense, car accidents, boobs, and just Yeah. Fast cars. Yeah. Yeah. Just get just bombarded with Overstimulated.
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And I very little of it gets in. You know, if I think about like, if I listen to a book on tape, like, a very interesting book on tape, that’s one thing. But if I’m just, like, doom scrolling, like, how much good get how much, ai, if I spend five hours of just looking at social media and looking at YouTube, what amount of good stuff is in there?
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Is there even twenty minutes of really fascinating shit that I absorb in the entire day?
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Are you familiar with that, the concept of Lindy books? Yes. Ai, the idea of, like, how long something’s been around is how long it’s gonna be around. Mhmm. So most stuff on the Internet was produced in the last twenty four hours Right. And will be entirely forgotten
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Right.
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In twenty four hours. No one ever goes, oh, I I gotta show you my favorite TikTok from two years ago. Right. It just doesn’t happen. It’s like ai If
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they do, they’re crazy.
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Yeah. It’s You gotta disposable.
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Oh, no. I gotta get away from you. Yeah. You wanna show me old TikToks? You’re a fucking psycho.
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Yeah. It’s ai but it’s that’s the nature of it. It’s
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Right. Right. But, like it’s Crime and Punishment is not addictive. You know, the book?
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Yeah. Book yeah.
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You know, but Twitter is. Yeah. Fascinating. Right? Isn’t it fascinating that, like, something, like, very valuable, some amazing piece of literature is not addictive. You know?
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I wonder yeah. I wonder with that. I wonder is it the that thing of, Aldous Huxley? Like, the idea that Bryden New World Mhmm. Like our power won’t be taken from us by some overlords ai in 1984. We’ll give away our power for cheap dopamine. Yes. And the problem with the world is there’s a lot of cheap dopamine on on offer.
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So so, you know, doom scrolling or it’s it’s the same as the, is in a in a casino. And then but then there’s real joy if you go out and see live comedy. I think what we’re we’re drug dealers. Right? Oh, yeah.
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And the two drugs, it’s dopamine and serotonin. And the dopamine is you don’t quite know where the punchline is coming. You know there’s a punchline, but you don’t know quite where it’s sana be. Right. And then there’s the serotonin, the joy of laughter as well.
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And then you can get a fake version online or video games are like a a proxy for the career that the kid isn’t having. Right. There’s levels and layers and then a big boss at the end. It couldn’t be a clearer analogy or porn is a proxy for love and sex. Mhmm.
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It’s like that we go for the easy option.
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Yeah. But
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actually, when you work for it, it’s it’s just better.
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Right. The thing is the easy option’s available instantaneously. Like, you it’s very difficult to go fight in war, but you could play Call of Duty right now. You just sit in front of your computer, and then you’re playing. You know? So this cheap version might keep you from having a life of adventure because it spoon feeds you bullshit versions of reality that are very addictive.
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Okay. So back to your work ethic. So the idea that you you you don’t do that. You spend time doing difficult things. Yeah. Ai, the the I got the cold plunge thing from listening to you. I was kinda interested in it and kind of chat to his friends. I tried it and loved it, but you’re putting yourself in a very uncomfortable situation in order for benefits later. Yes.
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It’s a kind of a sacrifice you make in the moment for something later. Yeah. What what draws us to that? What makes us do that?
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The process. So knowing that other people are completing this process and having positive results and then sort of investing a little bit of time into it, either vatsal bryden or curiosity or whatever. And then you realize, oh, this is real. Like, this is real in terms of, like, fitness.
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Like, if you wanna start running, you wanna run a marathon, you’re like, that’s impossible. I can’t even run around the block. Well, if you run around the block three days in a row, you’re gonna get better running around the block. And if you keep that up for a couple months, you’re like, holy shah, I’m getting around this block pretty easy now.
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And then you start expanding your runs, and the next thing you’re running a couple miles a day. And next thing you know, you’re entering into a five k. And next thing you know, you’re running a half marathon. And then you look back on that day where you couldn’t even run around the block, and you thought running was impossible.
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So there’s a process, and there’s a process of improvement. But that process requires you to be uncomfortable and most people are unwilling to be uncomfortable. So if you are willing to be uncomfortable, you will bypass most human beings in everything you do.
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Yeah. It’s also it’s that thing of ai we like that ai now Yeah. Seems to be the the if you can prioritize later, if you can sort of, Chris Williamson gratification. Yeah. Well, Chris Williamson’s got this great, thing. We we were chatting about it, me and George Mack and him. Love that guy. Oh, it’s amazing.
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He’s great.
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He’s the best. But that thing of, like, twenty four hours ahead. Like, we’ve all got to serve someone Mhmm. Right in life. You’ve got you’ve got to serve. Right. And serving yourself in twenty four hours is pretty good because it’s it’s that thing of, like, booze is the best example. Like, drinking is you’re borrowing happiness from tomorrow.
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Yes. Right? So that in in a very simple way, you know, like, the reason Also,
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it’s ai predatory credit card rates. Like, the kind of rates that you get when you go to college and they give you a credit
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card and you’re a moron sana they
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meh, like, 39% interest or something like that.
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Something crazy. Yeah.
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Yeah. That’s what it’s like. It’s like you’re not just borrowing money. Like, your body’s like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ai I’m gonna need more. I’m gonna need more than you spent.
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Yeah. I find that thing of, like, the it’s whenever I feel anxious or depressed or any of those things, we sort of think it’s invariably with me, it’s a hardware problem, not a software problem. Sai it’s like, okay. Have I slept? Have I exercised? Have I eaten correctly?
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It’s a good way to put it. Hardware software.
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And then you go, okay. This is a hardware problem, but it’s so hard to fix that Mhmm. When you’re depressed. It’s so hard to, ai, it’s, like, it’s all very well for us to go, well, you know, go for a run and do some exercise and have a cold plunge. It’s so difficult when you’re in that Ai very empathetic to that state. And I wonder, does it help that we slightly pathologize?
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You know, in our language, we say depressed and anxious, not sad and worried. Ai I I want I mean, I think for some people, it’s a listen. You don’t wanna you don’t wanna be trivialized mental health problems, but you go, sometimes it’s just the
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human condition. We’re gonna worry about stuff. Certainly, you don’t wanna trivialize mental health issues. However, you also understand that there’s a tremendous benefit to being physically active that is actually better than SSRIs, statistically speaking. Ai what do you prescribe?
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Is it better to prescribe drugs, or is it better to be real with a person and say, I know this is uncomfortable, but this is what you’re going to have to do. And it sucks, but it sucks for everybody. And everybody has a test in ai, and this is your test. Your test in life, you know, your test in life is not to try to win the Super Bowl.
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Your test in life is try to get up and not eat garbage today and drink a bunch of water and have some exercise. This is your test in life. Yeah. I think it’s it’s not easy.
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It’s well, the the issue is that you wanna be I think kindness Right. Is, in ai is it’s the most wonderful thing. It is. And here’s the problem with kindness. There’s a lot of kindness in the moment. Like, I’ve got kids. You’ve got kids. Right? Your kids want what do they wanna do?
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They wanna eat McDonald’s and they wanna watch TV. But and you wanna be kind in the moment, but you’re gonna have fat stupid kids. Of course. So you you go, well, let’s have some healthy food and let’s read some books and let’s run around ai. And maybe they don’t wanna do that now, but you gotta you gotta be kind to their potential. Yes.
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Not just to and and then you kind of obviously, you know, that it kinda teaches you that and then you kind of have to apply it to yourself. Because you go, well, they’re not gonna pay attention to what I sai. They’re just gonna watch what I do. Sure.
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But then, you know, individuals that are struggling, you know, the the problem is if you don’t know them, you don’t know, like, what what are what are they going through? Is this nonsense or is this, like, really serious? Like, if they had a really fucked up ai, or they’re just really self indulgent and lazy.
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Like, what are we dealing with here? Like, what are we dealing with? Are we dealing with, like, tremendous depression because of, like, physical and sexual abuse and beatings and violence in the house? Are We’re dealing with that or we’re dealing with some kid who their parents doted on them too much and the maybe the parents were super negative, which is very, that is very contagious.
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Like, if you have, like, very negative family meh, and then everybody in the family is always complaining. It’s always something’s wrong, and someone did something to them, and it’s all Yeah. There’s no joy.
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I don’t think No
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joy in
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my life. And maybe you do. I don’t think you realize how much you help people. Like, having these conversations on here. They help me. I think they help all
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of us. We’re all human beings. We’re we all go through weird shit just being a person.
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Yeah. It’s not easy. And but having these conversations and but I think there’s something about, you specifically, like, the martial arts stuff, the it’s a very alpha thing, and then you’re a stand up comedian and very admired by your peers. And you can have conversations about this stuff, and I think it really cuts through to a group that wouldn’t hear that.
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I mean, for me, that that thing that you’re saying there is about it’s about agency and empathy. And Yeah. I think there’s a problem in our society that we give agency to people we don’t ai. Mhmm. And we give empathy to people that we do like. You know?
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So if there’s, like, a right wing Nazi rally Mhmm. We say they knew what they were doing. We give them agency. Right. We punish them.
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Or Elon Musk with the Hitler salute.
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Right. Okay. So we sai he knew what he was doing. Okay. Yeah. And then if we really like someone, we give them empathy. And
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Yes. That’s a great great example.
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And and sympathy. And the issue is we we need to give everyone both. Yes. Because you go, look, no one is gonna care about you more than you. You you need to take responsibility for for this.
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Right.
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And you need to, you know, do you know, it’s it’s it’s very, very tough because you you wanna be you wanna give that agency and empathy to to everyone. Mhmm. Yeah. To give them the tools to have a better life.
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Yeah. And the more happy people are, the more happy people there will be. It’ll expand. It’s not ai it’s it’s not one plus one equals two. It just it’s exponential. It accelerates. The the more people are happy and enjoying their life, the more you will enjoy your ai, and that’s just part of a community.
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It’s the natural human reward system that’s set up to make sure that we all get along together, and we continue to procreate and have a wonderful society until we meld with the machine, which is coming any day now.
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I hope you’re ready.
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I don’t know.
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Yeah. You wanna hear my hot take on AI? I would love to. Alright. My hot take on AI is we were not made in God’s image, but we so wanted there to be a god, we made one in our image. So if you think about the attributes of AI, it’s all knowing, all powerful, can perform miracles. It lives in a cloud. Mhmm. Sorry. Is that God or AI? Wow.
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It’s
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Interesting. Sai at the moment it’s an emerging it’s an emerging God.
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Right? Well, it’s
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It’s not done growing yet.
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At the moment, it’s the Oracle of Delphi.
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It’s like a 10 year old right now, though. It’s not even an adult.
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Yeah. And then where’s it going to? Yeah. So the idea of, like the interesting thing about AI is it’s the the gap between me and I don’t know. Who’s the smartest guy we know? Eric Weinstein. Mhmm. Used to be enormous. And now the gap is getting smaller because Ai can just I can ask it.
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Yeah. Yeah, bitch. I got all the answers right here.
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Yeah. I mean, it’s weird what’s going on in sai I had a I had a gag about it about, you know, like a bit, about in our universities, you know, the students are using AI to write their essays, and then the tutors are using AI to mark the essays. And then after three years, AI gets the job. The It actually seems very fair.
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Yeah. It’s probably what’s gonna happen. That what you’re saying is very funny. It’s ai it is accurate, though. It does seem to resemble a god. Well, I wonder Do you ever you know who Mark Marshall McLuhan is?
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Of course. The Canadian One of the
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great great lines of all time. Human beings are the sex organs of the machine world.
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Yeah. Oh, I get I get, like, tingles.
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Yeah. That one gives and I I think that I gave a shortened version of it. I think it’s even longer, but it’s fascinating, because it’s it’s so never more true than today. Never more true. Like, if if we are really giving birth to AI, this is
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Well, I wonder what will change. I wonder like, I’m I’m very optimistic. Right? So a hundred and twenty years ago, 95% of the population worked in agriculture, and they worked sixteen hours a day, and it was a very, very tough life. Mhmm. And then we moved to the cities, and we worked in factories, and, you know, the unions, they don’t get the credit they deserve. They gave us the weekend.
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Oh, yeah.
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And now we think human beings work five days and we have two days off. That’s how that’s the world. Right? But it’s it’s different. It’s changing now. It’s ai it’s gonna change again, and we’ll look back and go Ai mean, we’re incredibly privileged that we’re born right now.
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And Here
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it is. Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs in the machine world as the bee of the plant world enable it to fecundicate and evolve ever new forms. Oh, fecundate rather. Machine world reciprocates man’s love by expediting his wishes and ai, namely in providing him with wealth.
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It’s not as eloquent as the sai organs in ai machine world. I think Ai
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I think you nailed it, didn’t you?
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Ai version of it’s a little better.
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Come on, Marshall McLuhan.
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It’s his words. I think we’re the electronic caterpillar that’s gonna become a butterfly. That’s what I think. I think we’re giving birth to a new form of life. That’s what I think we’re
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Well, I I I love that thing with, that book, The Beginning of Infinity. I can’t get over that.
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What book is that? Who wrote that?
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It’s, Beginning of Infinity. I think it’s, David Deutsch, and it’s the can you yeah. Can you show the yes.
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What’s the beginning of the book?
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So the the the idea of the beginning of infinity is that if we can get through this phase in humanity, right, there’s been a hundred billion people so arya, 10,000,000,000. There’s 9,000,000,000 at the moment, 8,000,000,000, nine billion. If we can get through this, if we can get off planet, maybe there are trillions of people in the future. Trillions.
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Right. Maybe humanity spreads out across the galaxies and the universe for the next thirteen billion years. Ai, the idea that if we can get through this now, this little phase that we’re in, we’re having a little bit of difficulty here with a couple of, possible problems. And if we can get through it, ai, the the the ai the scientific meme, the idea that that we we’ve created these machines, but really through through ai. Mhmm.
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Like, the technology that we have is brilliant. And if we can negotiate, if we can, like, have a little bit of peace
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Avoid the war. Yeah.
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If we can avoid the war. And really, you know, avoiding the war, I think, is I think is possible. I think the most alright. Here’s here’s the take. I think the most incredible piece of technology that we have Ai very optimistic about the world. Like, you could look at the state of the world and go, it’s it’s terrible.
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But I look at, like, I look at Meh, I look at The UK, and I look at the footfall. So where do people sana come? Well, they wanna come and they wanna live here. Right? And what’s the most important piece of technology in America? I would argue the constitution. Mhmm.
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The constitution, you just sort of don’t think of it as a piece of technology, but it it really is. And it’s allowed all of this
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It’s an operating system.
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It’s a brilliant operating system, and you can prove that culture is downstream of institutions. And freedom. Because you go look at okay. Here’s the great examples. Right? East And West Germany, North And South Korea. Right. Exactly the same people. Ai, exactly the same culturally.
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And they got this system, they got this system, East And West Germany. You got the Sai over here, hell on Earth, North Korea, whatever the fuck is going on there. Right. And then you get South Korea, I mean, flourishing. Right.
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Incredible culture. You get West Germany.
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I got another one for you. Cuba and Miami. Yeah. Yeah. It’s you’re exactly right. 90 miles away.
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But okay. So here’s the thing. How many people in the world now? 17,000,000,000? It’s a lot.
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Something.
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Right? Half a billion get okay. So there’s there’s The UK. There’s US. There’s Canada. There’s Australia. Okay. They’re all, I mean, ex British colonies. Yep. Yeah. Ai I’ll take the win. But but those institutions those institutions are, set up in a certain way that’s allowed a flourishing where people wanna come here. Yeah. K?
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So either we accept 9,000,000,000 people into our countries or we export our institutions. Ai I think we should be we should be writing, or or coming up with great constitutions for nations that we wanna see in the future.
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You and I think very much alike. I’ve said the same thing. I said the the thing the highlight when people are talking about, immigration into this country. One of the big ones is, wouldn’t you do this if you were in another world? Of course. Of course, I would. If I lived in the third world country and I had a chance to make a better life and come to America, One Hundred Percent Sai would do it.
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But the the real question is ai is it so bad over there, and what can we do to make that better? Instead of bringing them in here to make their lives better, why not make the whole world it’s possible to make the whole the only problem with that is you lose your cheap labor.
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Okay. Well, I’m I I I meh, it’s the it’s the right wing in America that that, you know, the idea of going, okay, we’re gonna get rid of the Southern Border to bring in cheap labor is a crazy ai. Because all we’re doing is where, you know, we outsource. Sana and this problem has been what is was ever thus.
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George Orwell was once asked, what do you think of the British working classes? And he said, they live in India. He’s a smart guy. But right. Right.
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Globalization, the idea of going Along
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with tech help.
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But it’s the idea if we go we often export our our, our the things that we’re conscious about. So we go, okay. So we’re gonna we we shut down all the coal mines in The UK, and now we import coal. Oh. Okay. Is that I mean, one better. It’s one world we live in. Right.
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They’re not even under union rules.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So you’re getting, like, it’s ethically sourced coal.
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It’s the whole of humanity matters. Mhmm. It’s the it’s the that, Derek Parfit’s that brilliant guy who who, is a philosopher. He wrote this brilliant thing called reasons and persons. It’s a brilliant book. And it’s kind of about that idea that you you gotta care about humanity temporally and spatially.
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You gotta care about people in the future, and you gotta care about people everywhere.
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Yeah.
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And the idea if you go, look, we we gotta make the places people are fleeing from livable. And I think we have proved over the last, fifty years, regime change is not what we’re great at. Right? So it comes down
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to it right one one of these days. Just give it a chance. Sure. It’s like the first car wasn’t a good car either, you know, but now we have really good cars. It just takes ai.
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Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. I
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Ai just need to practice more.
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Here’s what I think it is. Agency and empathy on on a global scale. Yeah. So it’s ai giving those nations that are in horrific trouble and that no one seems to care about agency. Yeah. But maybe it’s that that thing of, like, going the the American Constitution. I don’t know where it was written, but it was ai, I think it was like intellectuals from around the world were, like, chipping in with ai, and they came up with this incredible document.
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And look at the flourishing that’s come out of it. Look at what it’s achieved. Like, imagine if imagine if something like that happens in China. Imagine in our lifetime that they they go with a different system, and it’s more because at the moment, Ai kind of, you know, it’s a covers band. Mhmm.
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You know, it doesn’t it it takes a lot of intellectual property, and it has its own version of Facebook and its own version of Google and its own version of but it doesn’t Mhmm. What is it about America that that that allows this entrepreneurial spirit, that allows Silicon Valley to happen?
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Well, they’ve got an interesting approach because they still have a very entrepreneurial spirit as well. They’ve got a weird sort of a merging of communism and capitalism. Like, it’s state run capitalism, like but they still have insane innovation. Like, China’s technological innovation is probably greater than ours in a lot of arya, in the areas of electric vehicles for sure, in the areas of drones for sure.
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I don’t know if you saw this, but there there was some sort of a mother shah drone that they’re going to launch that is this enormous vehicle that can that drones can launch off of.
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And Okay. I mean, this feels like
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Yeah. It’s dangerous. It’s like Yeah. They they have some spectacular drone capabilities. And, they also have electric cars that if you don’t follow these, obscure car review people online that review Chinese electric cars, you’d have no idea. Like, these cars are insane. They have cars that do, like, a three sixty. Like, it’ll sit there parked and it’ll just spin in a circle if you want to.
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So if you wanna take a u-turn instead of having to go all the way around, your car would just spin around in a circle and go back the other way. Weird stuff, man. Ai, insane technology inside the vehicles, like spectacular looking cars. Yeah. They’re they’re on the verge of, you know, passing us in many areas because there’s a lot of regulation in regards to drone, technology in particular in this country.
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If you wanna be a drone pilot
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Is that gonna is that gonna change now? Ai don’t know. Ukraine? I mean, that’s the first drone war.
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I don’t know. It’s fuck. It’s it’s all scary. You know? The drone thing is weird because if you allow everyone to have drones, like, you’d get that sometimes where, like, you see people dealing with drones over their house. Like, is that legal? Can you just fly over my fucking house with a drone? Turns out it is. Turns out it is legal.
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Well, how much of it as ai? Like, I mean, talking to the right guy here, but how much of the alien stuff that we watched in the nineteen fifties and sixties was that technology being tested in America?
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So this is the drone mothership. This is the drone Mothership that China’s created. So this is enormous ship that can send thousands of drones off.
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Do you think it would be sensible for you and I to pledge allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party now? Sort of sort of on the record? We should learn Mandarin.
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I think it’s a good time to learn Mandarin. I think Wow. That John Cena was right. Look at that. 25 meters wide. Wow. That’s that’s wild. That’s big.
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Yeah. I mean, it it feels like the It’s a corner
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of a football field. I don’t know. So,
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it’s war is changing, isn’t it? I mean, it’s Yeah. It but it used to be I suppose it’s always changed. It it was. Used to be guys and you wear blue, we’ll wear red, we’ll line up, and then we’ll just smash it out.
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And there was Those days were over.
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But there was no civilian casualties. It was kinda it kinda worked. And then there’s guerrilla warfare, and there’s what’s going on now, and there’s the drones and. Yeah. Here’s a okay. Here’s a weird question. Alright? Okay. Okay. So the assassination of JFK, people are absolutely fascinated. Right? Sure. And what’s been released and what what’s Mhmm.
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No one seems to care about the guy that shot Trump.
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I think they do too, but there was very little information that’s available. And we’re we’re hoping there’ll be more information now that, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are in the FBI. But I’m not I I saw them recently talk about Epstein, and they’re saying that Epstein was he definitely committed suicide. I’m like, definitely?
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Oh, because especially but, like
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But but they Bongino. But the you know, that it’s the terrible kind of, the the lag from COVID. The the, you know, the long COVID, from a psychological perspective is trust. We’ve lost a lot of trust because anyone that said it was a lab leak at the time was a maniac. Mhmm.
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And then, you know, so you so you go when they tell us, oh, no. No. We commit suicide. You go, well, it’s hard to believe now.
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Yeah. Well, it’s also it’s way worse than it was a concerted effort that’s was coordinated, and you could follow the paper trail now. Like, what used to be a conspiracy theory is now just vatsal. Like, you know, there was one thing that came out where God, I was so
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What’s the difference between a conspiracy theory and a fact? Isn’t it five years now?
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Find out who did it was Yale. Yale did a study before the vaccine was even released where they were running the effects of shaming people to try to coerce them into taking a medication to decrease vaccine hesitancy. And I think there’s there there was they were running terms ai trust the science.
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It’s it’s it’s crazy because it’s the it’s the baby in the bathwater because they they did that, and then you go and then there’s there’s gonna be more measles in America and more kids wearing glasses that thick and going deaf from measles because they’re not taking the good vaccine. So it’s it’s for me, it’s like that idea of trust is such a you know, when we talk about institutions and the constitution and the and checks and balances, and we we need trust in our society.
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That’s one of the great things that came out of again, that’s the Catholic church.
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Well, the the real problem in this country when it comes to things like vaccines is we have narratives. And we either have narratives that all of them are bad, or we have narratives that all of them are good and trusting the science. We have these it it gets strange. And then when the real problem in this country happened when they absolved all pharmaceutical drug companies from any sort of liability for vaccines.
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And they did that because vaccines have side effects. Even if they are effective, they have side effects. It’s part of the good and bad about them.
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Yeah. There’s going to be
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some people that are so they were getting so many lawsuits that they were threatening to no longer produce vaccines. So during the Reagan administration, he gave them blanket immunity. And then, they started doing things like prescribing hepatitis b shots to babies, which doesn’t make any fucking sense.
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It’s a sexually transmitted disease you get from dirty needles and sai, and you’re you’re giving that vaccine to babies, and it’s kinda dangerous. And they did it because people weren’t taking it. And so then you get a thing where you’re just trying to profit more. And because you have this blanket immunity, you’re taking advantage of this position, which is what corporations do.
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Yeah. I mean, they’re they’re they’re motivated by profit. Like, here’s here’s the simple solution, like, super simple. Ban advertising for Yeah. Meh. I mean, it’s only it’s New Zealand and America Yep. That Yep. That allow pharmaceuticals to be advertised.
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100%.
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And you go, well, what what are we doing? Ai? That that’s it’s unnecessary.
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Well, the real dark part of that is not that that people get influenced to try these medications or to trust in these medications because of the advertisement. The real problem is it’s such an immense part of the network’s revenue that they will no longer do investigations on vaccine side effects or pharmaceutical drug side effects or do stories about things like Vioxx that we’ve got to hold ram the market and killing fifty thousand plus people.
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We’ve got to motivate those companies. Right? It can’t just be the profit because it’s like the thing that I worry about is antibiotics. Right? So antibiotics are what an incredible piece of technology. Right? People used to die from a fucking rusty nail Yep. Snagged them Yep. And they would die. Right?
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So modern medicine has given we have to look at what’s what the positive side is.
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There’s an immense positive side.
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Oh my god. Pharmaceutical drugs. And you’re talking to a man in his fifties with a hair transplant. I’ve had a bit of work done. Don’t even start me on the Viagra. I’ve got a lot to be thankful for for medical science.
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Right? So
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I I I a big pharma. Great. They’ve done a lot of good and then and then but other stuff. The the antibiotics Mhmm. Ai, there’s there’s there’s things that are resistant now to antibiotics. They need new antibiotics, but there’s nothing in it for the pharmaceutical companies to invest in that.
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So I think that at a governmental level needs to be look. Give give them the money to do it.
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Right. If you have oversight to make sure it’s not fraud and waste, and that that is a problem when you give people money. But the what you’re saying is 100% true. There’s there’s undeniable good that comes from pharmaceutical drugs. The problem is not scientists and not medical science.
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So you have medical scientists that are constantly trying to figure out new ways to stop Parkinson’s disease, new ways to cure cancer. All this is wonderful. But then you have the money, people. How do we get this out there? And how do we maybe we get this out there before it’s ready?
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Maybe we just fucking tell people it’s ready when it’s not. Maybe you fudge a few tests. Maybe you run some really fucking sneaky studies where you’re only analyzing things in a certain very particular lens because you want them to be shown to be effective.
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But you go look, you know, and and I don’t mind people if someone comes up with a cure for cancer
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They should profit.
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I don’t mind if they could be a trillionaire.
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But the thing is they’re never satisfied. When you have a publicly traded company, they never are satisfied. They never go, guys, we’re doing great. If we just make this amount of money every year, like, that’s wonderful. Let’s just, ai, let’s hang back. I think our profits are very high. Let’s do good.
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Let’s try to do the most amount of good. No no no corporations.
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Well, it’s an interesting thing where socialism has become such a, a dirty word. But everyone agrees to some extent. Right? There’s areas of life Sure. Where you go where there has to be a level of, socialism. So Contribution. We have to contribute. Okay. The fire service is great.
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I use the same one all the time.
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But you go yeah. But you’re everyone agrees. Right? Okay. If your house burns down, okay, we’re gonna have a fire service and it comes and it’s it’s not ai, oh, we don’t take care of that. Public education. Well, I think education, I think we could get there sooner because you look at some of the stuff that’s available online now and it’s just it’s it’s incredible.
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It’s ai it’s it’s there. I mean, I I slightly think on education that we should do do the right thing. Right? Instead of pumping the economy by printing more money and quantitative easing, I think America and The UK should cancel all student debt because we missold people some bullshit degrees.
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Ai? 100%.
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And the idea that student debt ai? So you’re taking those people that took a chance, and they went to university, and they gave their time, and they studied hard. And there’s there’s a theory that woke came out of elite overproduction. So they people did everything right. They went to school. They studied hard. They went to university.
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They studied hard. They got a degree. And then they they can’t buy a house. They can’t because, you know, maybe maybe the degree doesn’t grow corn. It’s not in in a STEM subject. It’s in the humanities or something, and then they they don’t get the lifestyle that they worked hard for.
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I think we cancel their debt. I mean, I don’t wanna sound like a communist here, but free education is not crazy because It’s not
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crazy at all.
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It’s an asset to your society. If you saloni, look, it’s a
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giant subsidized business in in America at least. It’s a giant subsidized business, and they’re not gonna let it go. The reason why there’s a really strong reason why
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01:10:05
It was free ai I went when I went through the police
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strong reason why it’s the one debt you cannot absolve in Meh, even with bankruptcy. Why? Because it’s a scam. It’s the dirtiest thing ever. Because, look, if you’re a 45 year old man who’s taking a lot of risks with your business and you go bankrupt, you’re absolved. You’re but you’re an educated person with a lot of life experience and you did risky things and you failed, you’re allowed to go bankrupt.
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But if you’re an 18 year old kid and you assume of $200,000 4 year loan to go to Harvard, you gotta pay that forever for the rest of your life, and it it gets interest. You’ll it compounds. I think I I
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don’t I I thought evil. I can’t see the downside in it because you go, this is the richest nation, not just in the world. This is just nation there’s ever been. And you go an investment in and maybe you change it and you go, well, well, actually, university is a lot more difficult to get into now because it’s gonna be free.
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So it’s gonna be like, it’s gonna be super difficult to get in there.
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It’s still difficult to get into even if it’s expensive. Right now, it’s not easy to get into, like, Yale or Harvard. It’s very difficult to get into it. It’s that’s not gonna help you. The the the real problem is always going to be the fact that you’re paying so much money when you’re too young to know what that even means.
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You’re too young to be Yeah. Connected to $50,000 debt when you’re 18. You don’t know what it means. You’re 18 years old. You don’t know what that ai of debt means and the fact that it’s gonna follow you around forever and haunt you.
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01:11:33
But also, it’s like it’s the, middle class and upper class kids that can take on that kind of debt. Right. And the working class kids.
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01:11:42
The haves and have nots forever.
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01:11:43
But but but education was the great kind of equalizer. Right? Because it was you were able to change your social class through, you know, if you go to school and you work hard, you go, well, your education should be listen. I’m not saying that there there can be equality because I think we’re all born with different gifts. Right? Yes.
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01:12:02
You and I disagree about work ethic, but that the idea that we’re all born with different attributes. Right? So there’s never gonna be equality. But the opportunity to educate yourself and to and to do better is ai that that’s sort of part of the American dream, isn’t it?
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I don’t even think we disagree about work ethic. I think it can be acquired as well. I’m sure it’s probably heritable in some I mean, it’s probably very cultural too, but I think you learn it too. Well, I think you’ve learned it
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01:12:28
for sure. Ai think you’ve learned it. I think that thing of I think what you’ve done in martial arts, how you do anything is how you do everything. Yeah. I look at what you’ve done with the mothership. I look at your comedy career. I look at, how you treat your body. Everything’s the same. It’s the same.
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01:12:42
It’s you got a you got a work ethic that’s very consistent across different fields. How you do the podcast? Have you missed a week ever? Like, you’re just very consistent with stuff.
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Well, that’s the key to getting better at things in life. It’s just it’s not always fun, and this is what people have to understand. You’re not always going to enjoy what you do if you have a process.
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01:13:04
But the process I’m doing my best here, Joe. Sorry.
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Yeah. You’re doing great. The process at the end of it though is what you’re looking for. You’re looking for results. And if you wanna Yeah. The people that can get results are the ones that can go through the most difficulty.
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Well, I think, yeah, that thing of what you and then you just sort of enjoy I don’t know. I think that thing of ambition ai, the process Meh. Of course. Is so enjoyable. The the process of, like, becoming a better comic Mhmm. Is such a joyful Yeah. Experience where you just ai, like, at the end of every show, I take out a notepad and try new jokes. Mhmm.
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And you just go that iteration of, like, getting better and, you know, if a new one works, it’s the most exciting thing in the world. Yeah. Just absolutely love it. And you kind of go and it’s, I forget if it’s telic or anti telic. I don’t really know what that but it’s a task without end. It’s just you keep on doing this thing.
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Yes. And
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it’s and you just there’s no end in sight. Mhmm. You there’s no it’s not like you’re arriving at this perfect state. Yeah. It’s the I suppose it’s it’s the idea that it’s kinda messy, but it’s it’s lovely to kind of you feel yourself progressing.
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And you you should enjoy the process. The process of uncomfortable feelings and a little bit of pre show ai, and then doing the show, and then things go great or things go badly. Sometimes things go badly is even better, because then it forces you to, like, really, like, intensely look at the set and, like, okay, why did that joke bomb?
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Like, what what went wrong here? Like, what is it about it that it’s let me, like, deconstruct this thing. Do do I have, like, if I’ve been doing it this way out of habit, I think there’s something in the idea it’s worked before, so what is wrong? And it’ll make you, like, put meh, much more attention to a thing.
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01:14:51
Yeah. I think that well, I think that thing in comedy, like, failure is your friend.
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Oh, yeah.
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Failure is you kinda you make friends with it and you’re kind of okay with it. Yeah. It’s fine. And then in life, it’s like you’re able to take chances and kinda mess things up until it’s alright. Give it another go.
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01:15:06
Yeah. Yeah. There’s that’s the martial arts thing. We win or we learn. Yeah. When you win, you kinda learn that the process is going well, you know, that you’re you have competence. You’re you’re good at it now. And then that motivates you to continue the process, but losing is, like, so horrible that you have to, like, completely reassess what you’re doing.
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And ai, you amp up your intensity and amp up your dedication because you don’t wanna feel the the pain of losing again. The same with the bombing sai. Like, some of my if I look back on my early career in comedy, some of the big leaps I had, it was after horrific bombings.
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Right.
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You have a like a year end or sai. You have a horrific bombing and then you go, oh, my God. I might not even be able to do it. I ai really fucking focus. Because Brian Simpson said something really funny the other night in the green room. He said, the thing about being a comedian is you can’t be a shitty boss and a shitty employee.
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01:16:03
Oh. I like that. Yeah.
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Ai was like, oh, you just nailed it. Brian’s one of those guys. He drops those gems like that. He’ll just, like, out of nowhere. Like, you gotta always listen when that guy is ready to drop a gem. That’s a meh. Because as a comic, no one’s telling you what to do. You Well, it’s interesting. Responsible for yourself.
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01:16:23
It’s interesting. I did, Kill Tony last night with, Tony Hinchliffe who’s who’s at once the meanest motherfucker in the world and also the kindest man in comedy. Yeah. Because you look at the careers that he’s launching. Ai, every every three, four weeks, he’s launching, like, a new name, and then they’re touring, and they’re playing clubs, and they’re having a great ai.
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And it’s it’s that thing of, like, you can’t beat your environment. So to be around people, not just that you like, but that you wanna be ai.
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Sure.
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So you’re creating this little thing, this little space ai the, and the the mothership’s got this little community around it now of people that they wanna get better and they’re they’re looking around and it’s, you know, and you came here because Ron White was here. Right? Mhmm. I mean, in in no small part.
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A big part.
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And then you built this thing and it’s it’s field of dreams. Mhmm. Look how many people are coming, and then I’m very excited to see in twenty years.
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01:17:20
Yeah.
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Who comes out of the scene? Ai just I I actually flew in on Sunday to go down and see Chappelle, so I went to see his new club in Yellow Springs. Ai heard it’s great. I mean, it’s insane.
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But that club only exists when he’s there. Right? Yeah. I think it’s only, like, he runs shows when he wants to run shows.
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I think it’s gonna become Yeah. Something more than that. I think it’s I think that’s what he’s he’s planted a seed there. Yeah. And I think it’s gonna grow. And it’s a small town, but it’s a town with a lot of pull. Mhmm. It’s like the it’s almost too beautiful a town, Yellow Springs.
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01:17:51
You kinda walk through and go, it’s like the Stepford Wives. It’s ai so perfect. You know who’s got playing this weekend? Who? The whole of the Wu Tang Clan Academy. It’s a 220 seater. Okay?
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01:18:04
Ai think it may be one of the few occasions where more people are on stage than off stage. The audience may be smaller than the band.
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Yeah. Wu Tang can stack it in there. That should be wild. That would that would be amazing.
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It’s gonna
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be a little Dave. He’s a but he draws people. He’s a magnet. You know?
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He really is.
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Yeah. He’s a beautiful person. Very, very unusual human being. I don’t know anybody like him.
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01:18:28
No. He’s a He’s a unique Well, as are you. It’s you’re non fungible human beings. There’s no one else you go ai. He’s a bit like that. No. It’s just he’s Yeah. His own thing. It’s a wonderful thing. There’s a there’s a real Ai think in comedy, that that thing where we’re out for ourselves but in it together. Yeah. Saloni Havey told me that.
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And I remember thinking, it’s kinda true because we’re we’re all in this business and there’s ai, sometimes you see comics arguing or, you know, shit talking other comics online or something. You go, what are you doing? There’s a the narcissism of small differences Mhmm. Where people go, oh, I don’t like his observational stuff or he’s hacky or something.
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You go, we’re all in the same business.
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Yeah. Most of those people are just jealous. That’s just a pettiness. It’s always people that are they think have success that they don’t deserve.
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No one ever hates you for doing worse than them.
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Exactly.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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It’s all silly. It’s really silly. It’s foolish. And, unfortunately, some of them are good comics too that are doing it. It’s ai, they but they don’t have any friends. They’re islands. Right? And then one of the ways that I describe comics, I go, you’re either, like, a village or an island. And villages do way better than islands.
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So an island is a man on on his own out there that does his own shows and doesn’t has an opening act and doesn’t hang out with comics. There’s a lot of those ai, and, unfortunately, they they have the same opening act that that ai, that becomes his job. He’s just an opening act now, and he only works when he works with the ai.
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And then they travel around the country, and the guy never and then you you watch the act deteriorate. You watch the act start to fall apart and get softer.
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This is this is what you know, it’s the the great thing you’ve done is thrown down a a rope bridge. Mhmm. You’re up there and you throw down the bridge and you bring people with you.
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Well, what we did is create a real workshop in a real community where there’s an actual path. Like, there’s a path from open mic night, which we had we have two nights a speak, to becoming a door person where you can get spots occasionally, and you’ll be watched by the best talent coordinator in the world.
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Adam Egan.
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Adam Egan. He’s he’s
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the best.
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He’s the best.
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He’s in Hawaii this week. I’m missing him.
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Aw. Well, he’ll be back.
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No. He’s he’s coming to London to see Oasis with me.
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Oh, is he really? Yeah. Oh, wow. That should be incredible.
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Ai, we’re gonna have Don’t
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they hate each other? They hate each other with the door in together?
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01:20:45
Nolan Lee. Gallagher’s? Yeah. But I think there’s a I think there’s an a lot
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of money.
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There’s a there’s a there’s an amount of money you can put down and go, you should get Nola on this show.
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I would love to.
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Nola’s so fun. Ai them.
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01:20:56
I love them. But so the the back to the mothership, the the thing about it is we we set it up to be a place where people can develop and and show them a path. And then there’s Kill Tony, which is the perfect, like, anchor of the entire community. Because with Kill Tony, you get to watch people that do their first time ever on stage or maybe they came from Seattle, they’ve been kinda struggling for five years and they do a one minute on stage and all of a sudden they get a golden ticket, and then also they become a regular on the shah, and then also they’re selling out all over the country.
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And then you’re in this group of people that are, like, really enthusiastic about this art form that I think is one of the most underappreciated meh very respected and very loved art forms. It’s it’s really paradoxical. Because on one hand, it’s dismissed as being ai a bunch of fools.
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And on the other hand, it’s like everybody wants to go see a good one.
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01:21:48
Yeah. Who’s it who’s this dismissed by? I mean, it’s it is that thing where you go. It’s I think because it’s a sense of humor is ai that there’s that great old quote of laughter is the shortest distance between two people. Ai think there’s a real connection to comics because you laugh with your friends and your family, and you laugh with this comedian.
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01:22:07
And if you think about friendship I I think about friendship ai, filters. Like, if you sit next to someone on a plane, you got a lot of filters. Right. You chat about the weather or the local sports team, whatever. And then you get really close to someone, you got no filters.
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Your best friend of the world is you got no filters with.
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I think comedy is not respected because most people can talk, and most people are funny occasionally. So they think Ai could do it. But most people can’t hit a fastball. Most people can’t play tennis like a professional. Most people can’t do that. So you watch someone do that, and you go, I can’t even do that. But you see someone on stage talking, ai, I could talk.
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01:22:41
What’s what’s so hard about that? I just have to figure out the right words to say and I could be Jimmy Carr.
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01:22:46
Right.
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Right? Because everybody can talk. I think that’s part of the problem. That’s why it doesn’t get appreciated the same way music gets appreciated. So, like, if there’s plagiarism in music, like, there’s so there’s so many songs where a lick in the song, just one thing about the song, and then the people, like, Bittersweet Symphony.
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01:23:07
They had to give all their money to the Rolling Stones.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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They didn’t make any money from that song.
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Nothing. Oh, the the the the weirder one was the, was it Blurred Lines? Was and and it wasn’t even that it was the same it was the same feel as a Marvin Gaye song. Sai feel seems like a stretch.
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I don’t remember that one. I thought they did decide that it was, like, the beats were copied. I know. But, you know, I’ve talked to friends that are musicians. They’re ai, listen, there’s only so many different ways you can put together, a beat and rhythms. It’s It’s ai you’re gonna get similarities all the ai, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s plagiarism. But plagiarism in comedies, like, outwardly dismissed.
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Like, there’s no lawsuits, but yet comedians
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No. It’s self policing, though. It’s self policing. It’s like someone does that, you go I mean
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Now And that’s the first time
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I ever saw you was calling out.
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Yeah. But before that, a lot of people got away with it, man. A lot of people built careers off of plagiarism.
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01:24:03
Well, even the great Robin Williams had that had that reputation.
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Yeah. He did.
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But because it was it was doing kind of this other thing. I don’t know. Well,
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it’s ai when you’re just free balling and you get stuck, you just take somebody else’s stuff. In fact then, there was no Internet, so there’s no accountability. Ai think they think that’s just the big part of this equation as the Internet comes saloni. And there’s, you know, there’s been so many instances of a a comedian’s career now, like, really fucking crashing because the Internet sleuths, they start looking at it and they go, no.
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No. No. This is this came from that. That came from this. Yeah. Ai, her special here is, like, his this is his bit. This is her bit.
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01:24:41
These are this is all plagiarized and just reworked horseshit.
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01:24:45
Yeah. Ai way you can tell
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the way you can tell is when they have another special after they’ve been called out, and then it’s horrible. Right. There’s just no content.
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01:24:54
Well, it’s that thing of, like, you have to give the world irrefutable proof you are who you say you are. You know, if it’s one joke, fine. If it’s 10,000 jokes, you go, okay. This is Yeah. Something. I mean, we spoke about this last ai, that thing of because I’m working on a thing with my ai, Amanda Baker and Abby Grant.
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01:25:09
They came and they taught at the mothership. Yes. Because we’re trying to work on this book about, like, teaching comedy in the same way that people teach music. Like Mhmm. Having a language of it and and taking some of the alchemy and the mystery away from that Mhmm.
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01:25:24
And ai of thinking about, well, what really, you know, the not to not to say that it’s like a something AI can do or a machine can do, but the idea of, like, teaching people the structure of it. So so that it’s less kind of, you know, hey, it just comes to me on stage.
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Right.
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Maybe codifying it a little bit more and I mean, I’m working with these two incredible women, Abby Grant and Amanda Baker on the on the book and it’s it’s taken a long time. But I I do think it’s something that if you could teach it in schools, the idea of comedy, even as opposed to music, which is wonderful to learn and you appreciate music much more if you’ve ever given the guitar a go because you can appreciate what they’re doing.
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01:26:02
Yeah. But the idea of comedy is being taught because you go, well, it’s you have to write down and order your thoughts. That’s a value. You have to learn how to communicate and speak publicly. That’s a value. And then you’re speaking in your authentic voice, and that is the saddest thing.
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01:26:17
Most people live and die, and they never speak in their own authentic voice. Mhmm. Yeah. It’s a it’s a it’s a great thing to give kids, I think. I think it’d be a great thing to you know, if it’s an after school activity, I would sign my kids up.
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01:26:30
Yeah. I mean, there’s definitely value to it. And even if you don’t have that style of comedy, like a joke writing style, even if you’re more of a storyteller, you know, like a Ron White type where he tells stories, there’s always value in learning different techniques to craft material and craft jokes.
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01:26:46
But I look at what was wrong in your toolbox. I meh, my love language is the one liner. I I like jokes and it’s it’s quite old fashioned in a way. Yeah. You know, it’s like it’s a very old fashioned kind of way of and it’s less about my life, but
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01:26:57
You’re like a folk singer.
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01:26:58
Yeah. And then I’m try but then I’m trying to I’ve got a good fastball Yeah. And then I’m trying to work on the the other bits, but that’s kind of what I love about the industry because it’s
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01:27:08
It’s everything. It’s
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01:27:09
all fast fast. Good at that and then I can I can do like twenty minutes of fastballs Mhmm? And then do I’ve started about a year ago. I started putting I started working with a videographer and putting stuff out of ai heckle videos and people talking to me.
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Yeah. I noticed those.
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And you go it’s just such a joyful thing because it’s almost like doing the stuff when you go just hit me whatever you sana. I’ll do anything. Mhmm. It’s like seeing magician do real magic because you kind of go Right. Yeah. I’ve worked this muscle hard enough. I can I’ll write jokes live for you now. Please.
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01:27:40
Have you done bottom of the barrel?
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01:27:42
No. What’s bottom of the barrel?
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01:27:43
Bottom of the barrel is Brian Simpson’s show at the mothership where you have a whiskey barrel, and you reach your hand into the whiskey barrel to pull out suggestions for topics. Sai the audience the audience Didn’t pull
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01:27:54
things out? Used to have set list. Do you remember that?
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01:27:58
Sai list. Yeah. But that was not provided by the audience, I don’t believe.
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01:28:01
No. That was ai that. And it was a bit, hat on hat. Like, sometimes it’d be just crazy things. Mhmm. But it was, shah.
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01:28:08
Bunch of different versions of that. There was another one, stand up on the spot. There was an LA One where you had the audience, like, raise their hand and come up with a but the problem with that one is then you encourage people to just yell out. And so ai you’re in the middle of talking about something, someone else will yell out a different subject because they’re just greedy and they just don’t want Right.
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01:28:27
You know what I mean? Like, you have to have good audience participation in that one.
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01:28:32
But again, that thing of ai going Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s performative being in the audience. Yes. Like, I always think that thing with hecklers. Like, there’s a there’s more hecklers in The UK. Like, when you travel around the world, like so I’m touring everywhere, ai, all over America Mhmm.
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01:28:44
UK, Australia, New Zealand, that every territory. And you notice different places have different traditions when it comes to heckling. Like, that’s the biggest thing you notice when you travel. Like, in in North America, people are very slow to shout out during a show because they think they’re, am I spoiling the show? Am I ruining this?
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01:29:00
And I actively encourage like, I don’t mind if it’s a little bit aggressive because we’re all in service of the evening. Right. We’re all in service of, like, Sai don’t mind if you win.
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Well, that’s confusing for the audience because some people don’t want any heckles.
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Yeah. Sometimes it is like a
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Some comics just sana they have a set and they wanna just perform their set.
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01:29:18
Yeah. I know. I like it when people join. Yeah. Ai, no one wants someone to talk over their punchline.
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01:29:22
That’s a problem.
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But you want people to But
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you’re going into an agreement with a bunch of drunks. And a lot of them are just, you know, they’re not that smart in the first place. And so they don’t even understand when to yell out, and so they’re yelling out while you’re in the middle of something else.
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01:29:36
Yeah. And then I mean, I’m very lucky with Ai suppose it’s that thing with you can, you know, you it’s self selecting. You you your audience come and they find you and it’s Sure.
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But sometimes crazy people just show up at your audience.
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01:29:50
Oh ai god. If I had to compile I thought maybe I should compile a video of me kicking people out of shows.
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01:29:55
Well, now they’re
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like, so
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that too, so they probably look forward to doing it with you. And so you get ai of the wrong kind of people that are encouraged to yell shit out.
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01:30:05
No. I get I get pretty good
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Most of the time.
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I get pretty good. Because I was thinking, well, that’s
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just because of phrenics.
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Like, Ai don’t have percentage.
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It’s only like 1%.
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01:30:13
Yeah. I I don’t know if they’re buying tickets. They should buy two tickets, shouldn’t they? Sure. I don’t
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think they think they’re two different people. I think
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One for each personality.
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01:30:21
I think schizophrenia is just like your connection to the world is frayed.
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01:30:25
Yeah. Jesus. There, but for the grace of God.
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Yeah. We don’t even understand what that feels ai. And, you know, there’s a guy who is schizophrenic that as the disease progressed, he, was an artist. And as his disease progressed, you could see his art getting fucking weirder and weirder and more abstract and distorted.
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01:30:46
It’s the it’s the most horrifying thing.
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It’s a horrifying it’s one of the most. You know, there’s a bunch of really horrifying ones. Lou Gehrig’s disease. A bunch of bunch of different things that just you just go fuck. Again, gratitude. Just be happy that you don’t have that. And, that’s another good solid reason to try to take care of your physical body. Yeah. Make that bitch work for you. Yeah. %. Don’t have a fucking malfunctioning.
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Well, it If you can avoid it.
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I think ai of food is the thing as well. Food is the medicine before medicine. Mhmm. Like, just bryden and it’s hard on the road.
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It is. The best way to do it on the road for me is carnivore. I just only eat meh when I’m on the road. Well, I do that most of the time anyway. But when I’m on the road, it it makes everything so much simpler. Just mostly just eat meat.
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01:31:32
Are you traveling much at the moment? Are you No. On the road much? You’re not No. Even when I did
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01:31:36
my, last special, my Netflix special, I prepared for it entirely at my own club. And then I I hadn’t done any theaters at all in ai a year and a half, and then I did the first Friday night at the theater. I’m like, oh, it’s different. Because instead of doing ai 200 people, I was doing thousands. I was like, this is weird.
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01:31:52
Like the timing’s different, but I’m like, oh, okay. Good.
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I I ai it figured out. The timing’s different in, like I often go from theater to arena. Arena time
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01:32:02
is way different. Yeah.
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01:32:03
Ai tell you shah, I I got it from Chappelle. I was meh I was out in Australia on tour last time ai I had like one night off and Chappelle was in town that ai. So I sai, well, I’ll go up with you. So I went up and he had it in the round. Yeah.
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That’s how I do it too.
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01:32:16
I sai so genius because it’s like the the thrill of I I I don’t wanna I don’t wanna say never, but I I may never be a professional boxer. There, I said it. But walking into the, the it’s like walking into a ring because you’ve got, like, security around you and you have to walk through the audience onto the stage and up the steps.
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01:32:34
Yeah.
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It’s so thrilling and then you put the screens above and even in a 10,000 seater, no one’s more than, you know Right. 2,000 seats back kind of thing. So you go so everyone’s got a great seat and you’re ai of rotating and I just I love it.
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It’s incredible. It’s also intimate in a weird way because the people are seeing the other people on the other side of them, which never happens.
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And they’re seeing people laughing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hadn’t thought of that, but they they’re seeing people laughing and it’s that thing of going, okay. Well, we’re all it’s like an event where we’re having fun
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together. It’s it’s great. It’s the best
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01:33:04
way to do ai. It is odd though the timing that changes when you go, okay, it’s a theater ai it’s like even a thousand seater. I noticed in The UK sometimes, like, you gotta meh the Palladium is my favorite place to play. Right? And the Palladium is a theater that was built a hundred and twenty years ago. Wow. So the fire regulations a hundred and twenty years ago were yeah.
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01:33:23
I hope no one dies. That’s there was a fire regs. Good luck. There’s doors. If there’s a fire, I guess, leave. So it’s tight.
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It’s like it’s 2,200 people, but it’s they’re close to you. And then sometimes you go to a place that was built two years ago and it’s beautiful and air conditioned, but the people are so far away because the seats and the aisles and everything’s been built for for safety. Yeah. So it’s like you you’d never get it you couldn’t build one of those now. Yeah.
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01:33:49
It’s kind of it was it was better when it was they’re all on top of you.
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01:33:53
Yeah. But then people died in fires, you know.
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01:33:55
Well, you’ve always kinda looked at the negatives. Yeah.
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They should have a way to, like, open the wall in case of a fire. It should be a hinge. We just put
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01:34:03
ai whole
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wall down. Everybody could just run out real quick. That’s not
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01:34:06
bad idea.
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That in there? Like, you know what they do with the battleship when they let the tanks out the back of them? Yeah. Ai meh, yeah. How about that?
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01:34:13
That’s a good idea.
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Yeah. Like a big old aircraft carrier, ai, drop it.
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01:34:18
Mhmm.
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Yeah. Or fucking fire extinguishers everywhere, like, in the wall, everywhere. Spray water on people.
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Yeah. Just under under every seat.
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All over the ceiling. I mean, they they they do have that in some places where it’s dangerous. You know, they they have fire sprinklers that are built into the wall.
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01:34:39
I feel like we’re getting close to the we’re getting close to the old bit of the, you know, the the that black box thing they have on airplanes where it crashes.
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Oh, yeah.
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Like, everyone had the observation of just build the plane out of that. Right. What’s that made of? Right.
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01:34:54
How about parachutes for planes? How about one of those? Is that hard to
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01:34:57
do? Parachutes for planes? Yeah. This is we’re having some we’re having some big ideas.
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How much would it cost? Because how much would it cost to have a big fucking parachute at the top of the plane? Where shah goes totally sideways, pull it, float down to the ground. Is that possible?
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Is that an incredibly dumb ai, or is that genius?
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It’s both. It’s both because Ai sure somebody else has thought of it. You know?
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01:35:23
Yeah. That seems
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I mean, don’t they have something like that on Air Force One? Where, like, if if the plane’s going down, the president can get to, like, a little compartment and ejects? Is that real, or is that, like, some movie shit? That might be some movie shit. See if that’s real.
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Think there might ram like some movie shit, but
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But that that sounds like a good idea. Like, what if Air Force One goes down? Like, this was, the online chatter about, the president getting, a plane from Qatar.
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01:35:53
We got a gift of a plane.
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Yeah. Supposedly. Ai, Air Force One does not have an escape pod in the real world.
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01:36:00
Okay. Can we We
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can movie Air
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01:36:02
Force One. Can we confirm is this the real world? I think because maybe this is
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we think it is. As far as how we’re acting, yeah, this is the real world of us.
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01:36:12
What do you, what do you think about simulation theory?
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I think it’s more likely every day. The more time goes on, the more I think it’s likely.
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01:36:21
I really like it. I would is this a plane
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with a parachute? With a parachute.
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01:36:25
Planes that thinks I’m going to Did you just manifest this?
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01:36:29
How did this Parachutes planes. He Googled it. It’s pretty dope. Yeah. So has this guy used this before?
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01:36:34
Don’t. That that that doesn’t seem like it’s happened, but they’re they’re maybe testing. Seems like a dangerous test too because you have to wreck a plane if it doesn’t work.
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01:36:43
Oh, Jesus. Yeah. That’s Alright. How would you test one of those? You’d have to have a bunch of planes.
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01:36:48
Oh, look.
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Oh, look. They did test it. Is that real or is that AI? That’s real.
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01:36:51
Let’s see. Yeah.
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Oh, it seems real. I don’t know. So you just need a real big one. A big one for a jumbo jet.
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01:36:58
It’s still gonna be a bump. Let’s go. It’s gonna be a bump when you land.
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01:37:00
Yeah. It’s not I mean, better that than a ball of flame. The fuck?
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01:37:04
Are you not gonna land and then have a ball of well You might. Yeah. Hey. Listen. Let’s give it a go.
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Yeah. Give it a go. Maybe you could jettison all the fuel on the way down sai you could soak people’s homes with jet fuel so that and it just bounces. There’s no fuel in it to start a giant enormous
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01:37:21
fire. There’s a reason Look
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01:37:22
at this one.
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01:37:22
There’s a reason we’re not in charge of this.
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01:37:24
It’s coming down with the hell. Look at that. It worked.
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01:37:26
Oh, it worked. Ai. But that is taking I’m not even gonna like ai also. That’s taken first.
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01:37:32
I do not like the nose down approach.
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01:37:34
Well, that’s That’s taken, like, four parking spaces.
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01:37:36
You just see two puddles on the windshield from the pilots.
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01:37:40
Yeah. It’s not great. Okay. Simulation theory. I Well, if Sai like think I like thinking about it because I kinda go, I’ve got such a crazy life. Right. Like, I’m sitting How could it be real? I’m sitting here with you. Yeah. I was with Chappelle on Sunday. Woody Harlson came to the show last night.
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I know him a little bit from lunch. I sai going, this feels like a cartoon. It doesn’t feel Right. Real somehow and yet you go, well, it’s an interesting way to think about the world because you go, well, if this if this is a game, what’s the scorecard? How do you win? And it kind of makes you think about, well, what’s important in your life? What’s the, you know, measurable and immeasurable metrics?
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Right.
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Sai often think about there’s ai there’s CV, resume points Mhmm. And then there’s eulogy points. And often those things kind of conflict. Mhmm. You know, like the things that we you know, career ai, you could have a great career, But if you don’t have kids in a family, who’s at the who’s doing the eulogy?
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01:38:38
Who’s who’s speaking for you? What are the things that really matter?
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01:38:42
People that are great people that don’t have kids in a family, but they have a lot of good friends.
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01:38:46
Yeah. But Ai mean that’s and
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01:38:47
the people are gonna miss them.
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01:38:48
Oh my ai. Yeah.
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I don’t think it’s a total requirement to be a a, you know, an actualized human being to have children. But I think it’s definitely benefited me. But I used to hate it when people would say, like, you know, until you have kids, you don’t know what the world is all about. Like, okay. For you.
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Like, how do I know what you’ve gone through? How do I know your perspective? Yeah.
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I ai kids quite a bit.
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Yeah. But there’s a lot of people out there with children that are fools. It’s like, it’s a nonsense way of living, of thinking that you have to have kids. And Ai think there’s wonderful people that I know that are never gonna have kids.
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01:39:21
But that thing of It’s fine. You could still have eulogy things. Yes. Things that aren’t necessarily
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01:39:28
It’s not scorecard. It’s not like he made a hundred million dollars. He wins when he’s dead. Like, it doesn’t matter. No one cares. Like, what did you do? Like, how did you how did you treat people? How did you live your life? What kind of an impact did you have on your fellow man?
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Like, when you interacted with people, do they have a memorable experience with you, ai, your friends and people you worked with? Like, oh, do you know Jimmy used to always say you know? And do you sit around talking about them?
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01:39:53
I suppose it’s that thing of, like, legacy now. Almost kind of is a secular religion Mhmm. For, like, what you leave behind.
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01:40:02
Yeah.
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Like, you sort of think of the, the afterlife. Mhmm. You know, I don’t really believe in a in a afterlife, but it’s the the kids.
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01:40:10
Sai you be stunned if it was real, though?
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01:40:12
Like I meh, beyond
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stunned. Believe in an ai. But I would be so fascinated to to be to have undeniable ai. Like, to pass through like, like, imagine if you were one of those people that had a heart attack and died and had one of those really crazy near death experiences and then
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came back. I think there’s that near death Clear. The near death experience is available to everyone in the form of DMT. Right. Because everyone has the same experience of this Yes. Another realm, another world beyond
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Maybe that’s the way
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of ai is. Meh. If it is
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01:40:48
Maybe that’s it. Yeah. I mean, that might be it. That might be it. It seems familiar. That’s the weirdest part about it. It seems familiar.
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01:40:56
It seems more real than him.
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Yeah. Yeah. So it makes you wonder, like, what is this that we’re doing? I have a feeling that what I said before is correct about the electronic caterpillar becoming the butterfly. I think that’s our just I think there’s a bunch of different factors that are leading us to expand technologically.
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I think it’s, the primary thing that we do as a species. I think we’re probably that’s what we’re designed for. Just like bees make beehives and ants make anthills. I think the curiosity of the human animal is always gonna lead them to an artificial intelligence. It’s far superior than its own.
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Just eventually, ultimately, it just takes a long ass time.
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01:41:39
Well, I meh, I mean, you sai a long time, but I mean, really, when did this
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01:41:43
Hundreds of thousands of years ago. It started with stone tools. I mean, that’s really what it is. It’s all technology. Right? Stone tools allowed us to kill things without using our teeth, and then we eventually figured out shelter, and then we figured out a way to maximize ai things.
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01:41:59
Cooking things and then the amount in our brains, you know, we’re able to feed that. Yeah. And so food’s a huge part. Mhmm. Like, what we’re doing now, language Mhmm. And comedy.
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01:42:08
Yeah. Ai
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think there’s no I don’t think it’s ai, it’s like there’s different strains of ai of Darwinian evolution. Right? So there’s there’s for survival. Right? Mhmm. And then there’s reproductive. Mhmm. And I think what we’re doing now speak, I think is, reproductive. I think what we’re doing is it’s almost like peacock feathers. Right?
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01:42:28
So you go, feathers initially weren’t for flight. They were for display.
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01:42:33
Really? Ram me,
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01:42:34
that’s the that’s the the theory. Is that well, how did feathers because what was the point of a feather before it was for wings, for flying? Mhmm. How would you get to that through evolution? Well, actually, if it was for display first, if the peacock is using the feathers correctly, that was the original idea for display for mating and to show that I have this I have so much extra, energy.
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01:42:56
I’ll be a good mate
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01:42:58
Right.
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To show the female.
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Sai much color and Vibrancy
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01:43:02
and stuff. So well, why birds sing? I’ve I’ve got this excess energy. I’ll be a good mate. Oh. Okay. So that that thing. I hear
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Weird thing is it came from ai, though. Dinosaurs, they believe, are feathered now. Yeah. Yeah. Which so, like, that’s how dinosaurs were breeding. Imagine?
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01:43:16
Yeah. Well well, dinosaurs as well. The the theory on why they died out is interesting. On the, they they used to so we randomly ai gender, and they assigned gender as, on the basis of temperature. So when the asteroid hit, it didn’t kill all the the dust didn’t kill all the dinosaurs.
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01:43:36
What happened was every dinosaur was born female in the next generation because the temperature cooled. Some lizards still do it. They ai gender by what the temperature is. So if the temperature falls, you go, ai. Okay. Everyone’s female. And when the temperature’s above a certain amount, every one’s male.
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01:43:52
So there’s a generation of all female or all male, whatever it was, dinosaurs.
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01:43:56
What a flaw.
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01:43:57
Yeah. But you but you would And I could very your the temperature, we always assume is, like, is static. Mhmm. And we don’t see the geological changes over time in temperature. So they I
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feel like the Yucatan meteor was ai the inoculation from the universe. They’d ai, like, this dinosaur thing is a fucking problem. Like, no mammals are ever going to figure out how to make AI when you’ve got a 5,000 pound super lizard running around with a face the size of a VW bus with giant teeth on it.
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01:44:29
We’re gonna fucking wipe these things out.
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01:44:31
Is there another world where there’s dinosaurs with AI? Because if they’re coming, we’re fucked.
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01:44:36
No. No. The dinosaurs never get to AI. You have to be super vulnerable to get to AI. Like, you don’t have a bunch of jack guys working at OpenAI. You notice that? Yeah. You have to be super vulnerable to get to AI. Well, it’s a
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01:44:49
weird thing. You said it earlier about the idea of, like, our our competitive advantage. Right? You drop one guy in the jungle, you’ve fed the animals. Drop 10 ai, and you have an apex predator. Right?
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01:45:00
Right.
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01:45:00
Well, cooperation is our superpower. And for me, cooperation is downstream of play. Play is everything. We’re the playing animal. Someone wrote a book about this, like, in the ai thirties about how we we are designed to play. Our culture is about play Yeah. And kids play. And you go, well, that cooperation is what leads to all of this.
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01:45:23
And weirdly, the Catholic church, I didn’t say this earlier, but the Catholic church has got a lot to be we got a lot to be grateful for. Because in the twelfth century, the Catholic church banned cousin marriage. Really? And the reason they did it was because they realized the tribe was more important than the church, and they hated that. Right?
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01:45:43
So the unintended consequence was they said you can’t marry your cousin or your second cousin or your third cousin down to the sixth cousin. Really? And they broke the tribes. Now when you break tribes, what happens? Well, you form small family groups, and then you have to trust people. So trust builds.
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Right.
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01:46:04
And then from trust, you get guilds Right. And associations and a legal system and everyone because before that, it’s like, well, your cousin. You trust him. That’s what it’s family.
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01:46:15
The royal family. Right? Back in the day?
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01:46:19
Doomed with the royal family. You know this you know we still got them.
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01:46:21
Yeah. But, I mean, the old ones with the fucked up faces and
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01:46:24
stuff like that. Chin.
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Yeah. Yeah. They look weird.
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01:46:26
Yeah. No chin. Just intermarriage, intermarriage, intermarriage. Yeah. So that’s what was taken away. So the unintended consequence of that was more cooperation, and people had to get on with other people. And there was, like
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That’s interesting. It’s a matter of smart way of engineering a society that that didn’t keep people from just being so tribal and insulated. Yeah. Yeah. That’s actually intelligent. And that’s the Catholic church figure that
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01:46:50
out? The Catholic church did ai
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01:46:51
Right after they got the priest to stop having sai. They go, next move.
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01:46:55
The next move. Right after we stop fucking.
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01:46:57
I have to really pee because I over hydrated. Let’s, pee and then we’ll come back.
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01:47:01
Okay.
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Okay. You’re just giving me a lesson on Catholicism and the benefits of play. Do you know that that’s, one of the things they talk about in jiu jitsu? Like, keep it playful. It’s one of the things that they say, ai, the Gracies in particular. They they always talk about keeping it playful.
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01:47:18
Ai, keeping it playful is the way you learn the best.
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01:47:21
Roger lives in in London. Yes. Yeah. He’s One of
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01:47:24
the greatest of all time.
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01:47:25
I mean, it’s an incredible thing, the jiu jitsu, because the the idea that those guys just changed the game totally.
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01:47:33
Yeah. They changed martial arts, like, in in more martial arts has changed more since the invention of the UFC, and the invention of the UFC was by Hori and Gracie. Hori and Gracie invented the UFC, and that was in 1993. And and since that time, martial arts have evolved more in these thirty years than they have in the past thirty thousand years.
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01:47:55
That’s bad. Ai thing that I the thing I love about it, I kinda want there to be an origination movie about the UFC.
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01:48:03
Ai they’ll fuck it up. Yeah. They’ll fuck it up. It’s better to just have a documentary.
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01:48:08
Yeah. That well, that vatsal be it. Yeah. But you
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01:48:10
don’t wanna have a movie. Even a meh, really, it should be like a Netflix series because it’s gonna require
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01:48:17
I think I should stone it. I could get jacked.
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You could get jacked.
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Ai mean, you could see
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the right ai. You know, get you Tom Hardy’s trainer. Do you watch Mobland? I’m learning a lot about your English gangs.
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01:48:27
Oh, my, Mobland. My friend, Chris Dicke, he’s, like, produced my movie, produced that as well. Fuck. That’s a good show.
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Yeah. I’m friends with Guy Ritchie, and I was
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01:48:34
Oh, nice.
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He’s the best.
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Ai a great guy. Has he been on this?
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Yes. Yeah. He’s Yeah. He’s amazing. He’s a legitimate black belt, by the way. Yeah. Legitimate jiu jitsu black belt under Henzo Gracie, which is, there’s, like, certain levels of black belt. There’s a lot of, like, great black belts that have a, their instructor. You you just haven’t heard of because there’s so many great black belts out there now.
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But there’s, like, legendary instructors where you hear, like, a guy got a black belt from Hicks and Gracie. You’re ai, oh, shit. That’s a real black belt. Like, you got a black belt from Henzo Gracie, like, woah.
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But the interesting thing for me is, like, the pre the invention, of that Mhmm. The bullshit in the eighties.
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Oh, yeah.
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Because we’re about the same age. So, like, it would have been that thing of, like, ai, Bruce Lee movies or, the the drunken master. You ever sai the drunken master? Sure. All those kind of movies and then you’d I’d be like into martial arts and, like, watching those films. Mhmm. Incredible movies.
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01:49:33
And then there’d be such bullshit about, oh, there’s this technique from this place and he can do and none of it was tested. None of it was testable. It was ai, no. No. No. It’s like that great scene in, Once Upon a Time in, what’s the what’s the Tarantino movie?
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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood with Bruce Lee and
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Bruce Lee and Yeah. It’s the funniest With
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01:49:55
Brad Pitt.
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Yeah. Scene. It’s just so good. But the bullshit that was talked about, the one inch punch and the all of that stuff
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Yeah.
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And then it was like, oh, no. We’re really gonna test this. Mhmm. Yeah. It, like, it met the real world.
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Well, I came up in that era of bullshit. There was, like, bullshit guys that, like, said they couldn’t spar because they were too dangerous. They could kill you. And, you know, we would ai
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01:50:18
them out of the way. The Tarantino movie, isn’t it? Where where he goes these, these these these fists, if I kill a guy, it’s murder. Yeah. Yeah. It’s the same with everyone.
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Well, the Bruce Lee thing is the one of the things that I really didn’t agree with. I love Tarantino. I’m a giant fan. As a human being, I love him. And as a director, I think he’s the greatest of all time. He is the most consistently ai, groundbreaking, psychotic films. I fucking love his movies.
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01:50:48
He changed the way Ai consume media.
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The problem is I know a lot about Bruce Lee.
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01:50:53
Oh, Bruce Lee, but And
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he wasn’t like that. He wasn’t that arrogant ai, and I just think he’s misrepresented.
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01:50:59
Yeah. There needs to be a great documentary on Bruce Lee. Yeah. I mean, there’s plenty of stuff, but there needs to be a definitive, ai, a, you know, Netflix put together beautiful thing because he was an icon. Like, he was sai incredible Bruce Lee. Yes. But, you know, Tarantino for me is ai. Like, that movie, Sana Speculation.
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So I I you know, most people kind of do this thing if they watch new movies. So for new because the dopamine of the new story Mhmm. And they listen to old music. Mhmm. And I read that book, Ai Speculation, I went, I’m gonna just watch seventies movies. Mhmm.
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01:51:33
And I just started watching the old movies for this because you forget. I mean, even if you have seen it, you’ve kind of, if you saw it thirty years ago, you remember one moment. Yeah. You watch that and then listen to new music. So you ai of flip Oh. The thing. Oh. It’s really good. Yeah. I’m really loving it.
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01:51:48
I’m loving watching the old movies. But Oh,
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some of the old movies are fucking amazing.
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01:51:52
That the Quentin Tarantino book is just,
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He’s incredible. Incredible person. They they they come along rarely where someone just has this very unique and fucking aggressive ai of, like, their art. It’s sai vision.
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01:52:05
Yeah. Vision. I mean, I put him up with Kubrick. I think he’s he’s that genius. Actually, I wanted to ask you about that, the Kubrick thing. I got told this fact. What? But okay. So I was I got told this thing, and then I asked Tom Cruise about it. This is a this is a good story.
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Tell us Tom Cruise
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about something? Okay. So I met Tom Cruise at a friend’s wedding, and I said
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Oh my god.
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I had nothing to say to Tom Cruise. Ai, I had
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so much to say.
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I said you made Eyes Wide Shut with Kubrick. And he went, yeah. Ai. I did. I sai, I heard he shoots everything. He shot everything with NASA lenses. So the reason he was able to shoot Barry Lyndon you know the movie Barry Lyndon with Harvey Ai? Amazing movie.
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I never saw it.
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01:52:46
It’s lit by candle. There’s no lights in that movie. He shot it by candle and the reason he was able to make it was because he had the best lenses ever made by humans, which were the NASA lenses that they took to the moon landings. So that was Hasselblad. So Hasselblad?
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Yeah. That’s the company that made those, cameras.
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That’s the camera, but not the lens. Okay. But
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Who made the lens?
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It says Zeiss Super Speak. Okay.
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Does that make sense?
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01:53:12
Okay. So he he had these lenses. So Kubrick shot everything with these lenses. Wow. Now here’s the question for you. Yeah. How did Stanley Kubrick get those lenses? Maybe at the NASA garage sale they had in 1971 where they sold all the stuff on the front lawn. Okay. So the story I got told, which I wanna ask you about
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01:53:28
Okay.
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Is they obviously, it’s the middle of the Cold War. Right? And the moon landing was a flex by the Americans. It was a big deal. Right? So they rehearsed the shit out of that. Who did they rehearse it with? Well, the best director in the world. So they brought in a young Stanley Kubrick, and he filmed the rehearsals. So they they had to rehearse everything before they went up there.
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01:53:55
So I’m not saying the moon landings didn’t happen. I think they definitely did happen.
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So who’s saying that Stanley Kubrick filmed the rehearsals?
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I can’t remember who told me this.
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That sounds like horse shit. But How did he have the time?
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Sorry. How did he get the lenses from NASA?
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How did he get the lenses?
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01:54:10
He definitely had the net NASA lenses. We bought them from Vatsal. Well, you know, he was a he got paid in
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his mathematician. You know.
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01:54:17
I didn’t know that.
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01:54:17
Yeah. He he used to do complex equations in his spare time. Yeah. He was a genius, like, a legitimate genius. So he probably had a deep connection to the scientific community, and he probably maintained that all throughout doing 02/2001. So, you know, Kubrick was so the way he would do films was there were so many layers to his films.
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Like, there’s so many layers to The Ai, you know.
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01:54:43
He said this brilliant thing about movies. He sai, don’t you know, if you wanna if you wanna tell a story, make people feel something they don’t have a name for. Sai there’s so many bits in The Shining Yes. Yeah. That don’t make sense. Right.
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01:54:58
Like, the the the geometry of the room doesn’t make sense or but it and it ai of forces you to really see something. Yeah. Like sai much of our ai, right, is we’re not really seeing things. I think it’s the gift of being a stand up comedian. We get to see things.
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Mostly, guys of our age are just remembering things.
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Right. They don’t have a lot of other experiences.
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It’s well, all they’re having are very repetitive. You know, if you commute every day to the same office That’s how you pronounce meh. Three hundred and sixty five days, you’re it’s sana one memory and then you’re just on repeat. Right. Whereas if you have unique experiences, it’s not that we don’t have enough ai, we just waste a lot of it, and we don’t we want unique novel experience. Mhmm.
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And so part of the reason I travel the world is to have unique novel experience and to see things in a different way. And sometimes when you, you know, you watch like a Kubrick or a Tarantino movie, you he’s just seeing something Mhmm. In such a pure way. Yeah. It’s incredible.
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Yeah. It’s a unique artistic vision that makes you sort of it just takes you out of mundane existence and go, wow. Ai, this guy. Like, 2,001 is such a weird movie, man. I saw it again last year. I had I hadn’t seen it in a long time when I watched it again. I was ai, Imagine making this film and, like, what was it? Like, ’60 what year was it? ’66?
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01:56:14
No. Was it ’70? ’70. ’70. ’70. ’70. ’70. ’70. ’60 ‘8. What?
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Yeah. So it’s before the moon landing, and it’s all going on at the same time, which ’68.
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01:56:29
It’s incredible. Yeah. Because it’s ai of futuristic now. Yeah. There’s that weird thing of, ai, you ever read, It’s weird that the monkeys when they find the monolith?
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01:56:39
Yeah. You know? It’s ai Sai have very bizarre theories about the evolution of the human animal itself.
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01:56:45
Well, what what do you think?
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I don’t I don’t necessarily think it happened without help. I have a feeling that we were assisted. I think that’s one of the reasons why we vary so much. We we’re just like dogs. You know, dogs are so we dogs vary so much, but dogs all came from wolves. Yeah. Every dog came from a wolf.
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01:57:07
It does find me as, like, it’s a very strange thing how long humanity has been here Mhmm. And how recently program like ai thousand years ago in Northern Japan was the first settlement and how quickly things have progressed.
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01:57:22
That’s true. I don’t think I don’t think we’re right about that. And I think there’s no. There’s an interesting there’s a bunch of interesting guys, but there’s one that I still who’s that guy that I brought up the other day who’s a British anthropologist
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01:57:33
Well, I already like
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01:57:34
who has this I know he did. That’s why I brought that up. He’s, got a YouTube channel, and he’s, like, human beings have been in this his argument essentially is that human beings have been in this particular form, this homo sapien form for somewhere in their neighborhood of three hundred thousand years.
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Why would we assume that it took us so long to get to where we are as far as society and technology and innovation? Isn’t it far more likely that this was achieved multiple times followed by great catastrophes that brought us back to square one? And there’s a lot of evidence for that.
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01:58:09
There’s a lot of evidence for that in terms of, like, 11,800 ago, the Younger Dry Ice Impact Theory. But then which is ai, like, physical evidence of, like, meteor, comet impacts on Earth, the ai landscape changes, ending of the, ice age, melting of the polar ice caps, massive flooding, rising sea levels, all that stuff’s documented.
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01:58:31
But then he’s talking about, like, what about a hundred thousand years before that? If we’re in the same form, if society did reach a very high level of sophistication, maybe in a different way, a hundred thousand years ago, how much evidence would be left? The answer is zero, but the human remains the same.
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01:58:49
If you took a hundred thousand year old person, you could bring them to the fucking shave their face, sit them in a movie theater, they would have no you would look have no idea that that was, a person from a hundred thousand years ago. They look real fucking similar to us.
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01:59:03
Well, I suppose that thing
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Especially meh them well, which I probably didn’t get much food back then.
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01:59:07
Yeah. That thing of, like, the the gratitude, ai, the idea that you go, how have we only got to this now? Mhmm. Like, the idea that you go, well, actually, the taking care of the that Maslov’s hierarchy of need. You know, the you know, so you need food, you need shelter, you need like, we haven’t even I mean, we haven’t even covered that for most of humanity.
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01:59:27
But certainly in the in the place that we live, that’s all sort of take care we factor all that in. That’s all ai, okay, you’ve got all of that sorted and then we get to self actualize and we get to specialize. Mhmm. And so maybe it’s that thing of ai I don’t know. This the the breaking of the tribes and the idea of specialization.
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01:59:45
It’s that it’s the Dunbar number is the important thing, isn’t it? Ai, because the great apes so Robert Dunbar is the guy that had that idea of it often comes up when people talk about social media. How many friends can you have? Right. Like, with great apes, they get to a pod of about 60 and then they go, I really know that guy.
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02:00:03
He hasn’t really groomed me in a long time. So I did this documentary once for the BBC with Robert Dunbar and it was Oh,
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02:00:11
you met actual Robert Dunbar.
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02:00:12
He was incredible. How old
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was he at the time?
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02:00:15
I guess sixties. He’s not that that old a guy. But so his theory, was kind of well, actually, what happened that allowed human beings to ai was remote grooming. So the idea that we could be in a large group and our language allowed us to have a larger group, like a 50 friends in the group because we didn’t have to pick things out of each other’s hair or literally groom each other.
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Each other. Hey, Bob. How’s look at the lawn looking good.
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02:00:45
Yeah. But that was the great shah was the great innovation because it allowed us to go, okay. Look, I’m gonna go and build this thing. You go and do that thing.
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Right.
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02:00:53
We’ll come together ai lang obviously, you know, language predates speech ai, a million years millions of years. Laughter predates speech by about, a million years,
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they think. Interesting. Because now Ai do this Chimps laugh.
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02:01:13
You know I’ve got a I’ve got a weird laugh. Right? I I laugh on an in. Ai like You have to? Yeah. They’ll if I if something really strikes me as funny, it’s ai it’s such a people often ask, like, is it real? It’s the most, like, crazy laugh. Odd. I laugh on an in breath, not an out breath. Like Tucker Carlson.
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02:01:30
He’s got that kind of laugh.
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02:01:32
Well, okay. Well, I don’t know I don’t know where I stand on that. Now I’m in trouble. Don’t get me canceled. Oh. No. That’s an out. That’s an out. It’s just a ai pitch
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02:01:44
shot. High pitch out.
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02:01:45
But that thing of, like, laughter being a remote tickle is kind of Yeah. It’s an interesting idea. I I mean, obviously
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02:01:52
interesting that it’s contagious, genuinely. Yeah. Like, if you’re laughing, I’m like, I’ll start laughing. Like, what the fuck are you laughing at, Jimmy? I’ll start laughing. If you’re laughing hysterically
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02:02:01
those German guys that do the laughter therapy?
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No. They
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02:02:04
do a a laughter therapy in Germany, and they just it’s literally a guy going, we’re all going to laugh now. And they just force themselves to ai. There’s no nothing funny going on. That’s right. They just force themselves to laugh. It is It sounds
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02:02:17
like hell.
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02:02:18
But it’s very good for people because once they get going
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02:02:20
figure out stand up in Germany. Have they ever figured it out?
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02:02:23
Who’s the best? In Germany, I don’t I sai play a lot in Germany.
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02:02:27
Yeah. But you’re an English guy going to Germany. That’s different. I could play in Germany too. Yeah. But ai my point is who’s the best
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02:02:32
that come
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out of Germany?
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02:02:33
There is a guy who’s, like, playing he played, like, a stadium there. Oh, god. I forget his name. But he came to the Edinburgh Festival. We ai pretty good.
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02:02:40
We had a guy that was the number one comic in Germany who came to the Comedy Store back in, like, the early two thousands. Super nice guy, barely spoke English, and did, like, real physical comedy, like, his whole thing was physical, and he just couldn’t figure out how to make it work in America.
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02:02:55
Right.
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It was it was it was interesting talking
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to him. So I was like, ai was the
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you in in Germany rather. And he’s ai, oh, in Germany, I’m the number one comedian and, you know, I do really well. And I was like, really? Sai, like, what do you do? And he’s like, I do this kinda like, they enjoyed, like, that kind of like slapsticky fall down sort of stuff.
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02:03:12
He did a lot of physical stuff. It was funny, but it was like the audience at the comedy store had been used to all these, like, bang, bang, bang, ai, set up punch line, set up punch line, Joey Diaz. And now here’s some guy from Germany.
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02:03:24
Yeah. You know?
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And he was just it didn’t work for him.
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02:03:26
And he Well, there’s a great old line of, like, where would we be without a sense of humor? Germany. Yeah. But they make great cars. And the fact well, that thing of, like, there’s Yeah. There’s scenes coming up everywhere around the world now. I mean, I I got a, I think, 47 countries on this tyler, and you go and everywhere I go, there’s always a couple of local comics that come to the gig, and they’re doing stand up in English.
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02:03:48
And there’s a little scene, and it’s it’s it’s it’s a it’s very contagious, I think. I think it’s kind of the YouTube and the Netflix effect of, like, it’s just out there now, and you we’re more aware globally of who’s doing what. Unquestionably.
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02:04:03
Yeah. And then there’s Kill Tony, which is worldwide. It’s the number two podcast on YouTube worldwide.
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02:04:09
What’s number one?
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02:04:10
Yeah. Me. For some inexplicable reason. I don’t understand it myself. But the thing about comedy is that, you know, like, maybe you don’t want the people making your cars to be funny. You want them to be these ai locked down engineers ai the Germans. Like, I kinda like that.
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02:04:29
These stoic engineers, those I am not driving an Italian car across the country. It’s not gonna make it. It’s not gonna make it. Ai gonna get somewhere outside of Oklahoma and some fucking weird lights are gonna go off in the dash. Ai, what is happening here? Ding ding ding ding ding.
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02:04:45
And the bryden are gonna fit. Something’s gonna go. Something’s gonna go. Some electronic shit’s gonna go sideways because, Pascal wasn’t paying attention. He was eating his pasta and taking a nap. They take naps.
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02:04:57
What are you, what are you driving now?
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I ai all kinds of things. Yeah. I drove a Tesla here, but I I I have a lot of cars. I like cars. Yeah. I’m fascinated by engineering.
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02:05:08
You gotta get you gotta get ai. I like Jeremy Clarkson is a friend of mine. You gotta get him on.
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02:05:12
I love Jeremy. I’d love to have him on. I’m a huge fan.
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02:05:15
Yeah. He’s, he’s gotta come on here because he’s, like, I don’t know. I think you’d have a lot in common. He’s, like, super
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02:05:20
I ai Hammond. I love James May. I love those guys. They were the originals. Yeah. And I’m a huge fan of Chris Harris too, and and he took over the new Top Gear.
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02:05:29
Yeah. Well, they’re just passionate about it. Yeah. Sai think there there is something of, ai, I’d love someone to do I’m sure I’m sure it exists somewhere ai I just haven’t been to it, but, like, a museum of the motor car. Oh, because this is in Los Angeles. It feel oh, yeah. I know. I saw that. I saw where they were building that and it wasn’t finished yet last time.
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02:05:43
No. No. No. LA’s had a auto museum forever.
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02:05:45
Isn’t there a new one in Perhaps.
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02:05:47
Maybe there’s a new one. Maybe they’re making the new one. Maybe it’s the same company, but the LA Auto Museum has been around forever.
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02:05:54
Because it feels to me like vintage cars are the way to go. There’s so many regulations now, and there’s so much you have to do And
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02:06:00
you’re a goofy country. Yeah. Yeah. You’re goofy country. They lock you down.
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02:06:04
Well, I think that’s all gonna change though, isn’t it? I think it’s like, we could never get American cars in The UK. Yeah. You could never buy a Cadillac in The UK. You could never and maybe that’s gonna change now. I hope so. I I’d love to be able to
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02:06:16
I know some American muscle cars are really popular over there because those those are just they’re fun. They’re just fun to drive. There’s something about American muscle cars, like, even the modern ones. Like, if you buy a modern Ford Mustang, they are fun to drive, man. There’s the rumble of the engine, shifting the gears, the manual transmission Yeah.
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02:06:36
Like, I think, like, the Mustang GT is, like, the greatest bargain as far as, like, fun for dollar in the automobile world today. Because I think you meh a Mustang GT for, like, under $50,000 US, like, loaded, and they’re incredible.
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02:06:52
It is an interesting thing of, like, cars. There’s a certain point now where what’s the last car you could drive as opposed to it driving you?
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02:07:02
Right. That’s You know,
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02:07:02
so there there’s an argument saying There’s really close. I had, like, a a a a Porsche, from, a Targa from ’89. Oh. So ai had the the the g 50 Mhmm. But it was air cooled. But it was ai it was like the the it it’s ai of the last one, I think, before the technology ai took over and they were just
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02:07:23
Well, not necessarily. No. The nine six fours is still very analog and so are the nine nine threes. And especially in comparison to the nine nine sixes and the nine nine sevens that came after it. But the the point of those cars is engagement versus, proficiency. So the car that I drove today is a Tesla Model s Plaid. It is a preposterously fast car. It has incredible technology. It drives itself.
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02:07:51
If I choose to and I leave here tonight, I can press a button, and it’ll drive me to my house. It’ll stop at every red light. It’ll hit blinkers. It’ll change lanes if there’s an obstruction.
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02:08:01
Hands off. Nothing.
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02:08:02
Hands off. I don’t have to do it. You’re supposed to keep your hands, like, on the wheel sort of.
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02:08:05
Right.
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02:08:05
You don’t have to be you barely have to be paying attention, but it’ll do all the work for you. But a 1989 Porsche ai yours, that one, that is a visceral experience. It’s you’re feeling it. It’s ai, whoo. It’s fun. You’re on a ride.
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02:08:24
You’re not even going fast, but you’re feeling everything. It’s a sensory overload. Yeah. It’s very exciting. It’s exciting not going quick.
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02:08:34
There’s nothing like those old cars, especially old Porsches, because they handle really well. Even though they’re an old car, they still have, like, the really good dynamics in terms of, like, road,
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02:08:46
whole world. Is that we’re enjoying that? Because I think it’s like it’s type one and type two thinking. So it’s like like driving a car. Once you you know, when you’re getting your license to drive stick shift, it’s you really have to concentrate. Sure. And then it goes over into this other place where you just go, it’s just happening. I don’t have to think about this.
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02:09:05
Right. You’re just commuting.
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02:09:06
But you’re, like, engaged. You’re kind ai in a flow state when you’re driving one of those cars and and just driving it. You haven’t got the radio on. Yes. I used to love driving home from shows. Mhmm. And you’d think of something and you’d be driving and you wouldn’t be, you know, days before ai.
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02:09:22
So you just have to remember that thought and let it linger. Mhmm. And kinda thinking of jokes and wordplay and and but you’d be kind of engaged in this other Yeah.
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02:09:31
Activity. Like a meh state because you’re you’re connected to the vehicle, but you’re not listening to music, you’re not listening to a podcast, you’re just out there driving this thing that you have to really be in tune with, and then your mind, your subconscious is free to roam.
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02:09:45
It’s interesting those things of, like, activities that engender different kind of states. Like, okay, you play a lot of pool. Mhmm. Now Ai don’t play much pool, but I do play pool with my friends if they’re having a tough time. Like, if you have to have a tough conversation with a friend, they’re down, they’re depressed, whatever, this looking each other in the eyes Mhmm. Doesn’t work so well.
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02:10:10
Oh, right. You gotta do an activity.
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02:10:11
Because there’s a lot of thinking time. Do you you know, if it’s an emotional conversation, if there’s something big going on Yeah. Again, pool’s ai of fantastic for that because it it just slows everything down. You’ve got a reason to be there for longer. It’s kind of it’s it’s playful. Mhmm.
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02:10:25
And and there’s kind of a low level competition going on, but the stakes aren’t ai. And you kinda have a great it’s like when you’re in the car with a buddy, you have a great conversation Mhmm. Side by side.
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02:10:36
I’m so glad you brought that up because I had a friend who was considering suicide, and I did not know until we started playing pool together. I ai to play pool with him a bunch of times, but we were playing pool together one day, and he just seemed weird. He just seemed off.
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02:10:53
But it was through the playing that we could talk, like, you know, we start talking. What’s going on? Ai like, I am not doing good at all. I’m not doing good at all. I’m like, what’s going on?
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02:11:02
And then, you know, we we had this conversation and, he did not he didn’t have a lot of money, so he didn’t have access to good psychiatric care. So I I contacted my business manager and I said, who’s the best guy that we couldn’t, like, connect my friend to? And he got on some stuff.
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02:11:17
I forget which SSR I was, but it ultimately really helped him. And then he turned everything around, and then his life turned around, and he slowly weaned himself off, and then he’s fine. But it was ai this moment
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02:11:30
of
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02:11:30
playing pool. So this is why, like, when people completely dismiss psychiatric medication too, I’m like, I can see how they’re overprescribed. I can see how some people become dependent when really they should try exercise and and healthy diet. However, when you’re dealing with someone who’s on the ledge, like, anything you can get that keeps that person from ending their life and making a terrible decision.
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02:11:53
And if they have a bad serotonin balance and dopamine balance in their head, and there’s something that we we can give them that can help balance them out, and then they
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02:12:01
slowly Yeah.
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02:12:03
Get moved towards a healthier
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02:12:04
It’s like someone saying, yeah. No. No. We should all learn to swim. No. Sometimes you need a life raft. Yeah. Sometimes ai need a life raft for a couple Yeah.
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02:12:11
Little babies, they have just floaties.
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02:12:13
Just for a couple of weeks. Yeah. But that thing of, like and we should chat about that because it’s ai Yeah. It suicide for me is, like, it’s a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Mhmm. Invariably, it’s that thing of, like, people think they wanna disappear, but really they wanna be found.
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02:12:29
And it’s I find it heartbreaking because I think more so than other fun stuff you go and sai, with comedy, I know it’s a lot of people that are depressed or have suicidal ideation Yeah. Are self medicating with stand up comedy. Mhmm. So they watch a lot of comedy or they come to a lot of comedy shows ai it’s kind of the opposite of what they’re feeling.
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02:12:49
And it’s that thing of the you you kinda I always do a bit about it at the end of the show. I mean, I tell a lot of brutal jokes and then I talk about it because you go there’s gonna be someone in the crowd. I had this, like, heartbreaking thing where I’ve had it a couple of times now where people come up and go, oh, I was gonna I had this amazing woman talk to me about, she shah, like it was like she was celebrating, like, fourteen years of extra ai.
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02:13:12
Ai she was, like, 17 or something at home, and she was thinking about Oh. Ending it, but she was waiting until everyone had gone to sleep before she hung herself. Oh, god. And she turned on her computer on YouTube, and she saw clips of some panel show bullshit that I was doing. And she laughed. Oh, wow.
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02:13:32
And then she watched another clip. And then she watched another and then she got super into comedy and whatever. She didn’t do it that night. Mhmm. And then she watched more of it the next day and it ai that got her over or she attributed that to getting her over a hump.
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02:13:48
Well, sometimes you just have to have access to other thoughts. And and when someone’s a good comic like yourself, what happens is you allow that person to ai of think for you when you’re enjoying their performance. And sometimes it’s just that, that’s enough. Sometimes it’s great philosophy or a great book or someone gives a great, like, inspirational speech where it just makes you, like, really think, like, wow.
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02:14:10
Like, what is it about the way this person is is talking right now that is changing my state? It’s changing my state of mind. Because I’m thinking the way they’re thinking. They’re I’m allowing them because they’re so eloquent.
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02:14:24
Taking the controls. Yeah.
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02:14:25
And because what they’re saying is so precise and they they have so much passion in what they’re saying. There’s so much enthusiasm that it’s contagious,
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02:14:32
and now
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02:14:33
all of a sudden Ai feel better.
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02:14:34
It’s that, it’s it’s perspective. You know, have you ever had Peter McGraw on here? No. Peter McGraw is that guy that came up with the benign violation theory of comedy. What is that? So benign violation theory is the idea
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02:14:46
Have I had Peter McGraw? This is a real problem when you’ve had Peter McGraw. Meh five hundred podcasts. I don’t wanna say I’ve never had them on.
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02:14:52
And a couple of blows to the head.
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02:14:53
Sai bunch.
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02:14:54
Yeah. Just enough. The sweet spot. Peter McGraw, the, benign violation Did
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02:15:00
I have one?
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02:15:01
Yeah.
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02:15:04
When was this?
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02:15:05
Is he a mark professor of marketing and psychology? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:15:08
When was this?
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02:15:09
He’s a brilliant man. Episode five seventy eight. So Oh, wow. 2,000
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02:15:12
Pull him up on the screen so I can see what he looks
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02:15:14
like. Okay. So,
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02:15:15
Boy, that shows you how toasty my brain is. That’s the 561 messages that I haven’t answered?
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02:15:20
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that that’s all ram him.
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02:15:23
Oh, wow. Ai,
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02:15:23
there he is. Yeah.
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02:15:24
I would have told you that’s a fake picture.
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02:15:26
Yeah. Okay.
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02:15:26
I would have told you that’s the same
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02:15:27
time this has happened, I think.
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02:15:29
It’ll happen a hundred times more, dude. We’ve had too many episodes.
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02:15:32
But so his theory, which I’m sure he has spoken about on this very show, is the idea that you go, okay. So so violations Sorry, Peter. Violations are like, okay, how things are meant to be. Right? Right. If if it deviates from that, it’s a it’s a violation in life. So, death, disease, famine, all of the worst stuff in the world. Right. It’s like it’s a it’s a ai.
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02:15:52
And he’s saying, okay, if you imagine a, Venn diagram, that’s one circle and then overlapping that is, is is ai of humor. And you go if you if you joke about something, you’re kind of you’re you’re recoding it in your mind to sai, no. No. This is this is okay. We’re we’re putting a bit of distance between this.
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02:16:14
So just by joking about something, you make these violations in life, these terrible things, whether it’s, you know, death, disease, suicide, whatever the terrible thing is. You’re making it okay through laughter. You’re kind of you’re you’re you’re filtering life’s, hardships through the charcoal of comedy Mhmm. And kind of making it palatable.
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02:16:35
So it’s ai, you know, I’d I often say this. I feel sorry for the people that are easily offended. Yeah. What? Or or ai offended because laughing at difficult things is it pays out on the worst days.
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02:16:47
So, like, when you’re having your very worst day, you go, yeah, but at least we can laugh. Like, those things of, like, if you’ve had friends die or, you know, they’re in palliative care, and you can sort of get a laugh out of them, and it’s just eases everything.
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02:17:01
If you find people that are like that, that’s a learned response. And if you grow up in a family that’s easily offended and offended by everything, like a humorless family, that’s a real problem. That’s a real fucking problem. If they don’t know how to joke around about stuff, that that becomes a real issue.
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02:17:16
They they take themselves too seriously or they take the world too seriously and, like, you’re you’re always looking to be outraged. And then there’s also a lot of social credit to being outraged. Like, people have oh, he’s outraged. You have to, like, let him alone. Like, now you’ve kind of commanded the stage. I am so sick of this shit. Like, holy sick of this shit. We’re gonna let him have his speak.
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02:17:36
Give him his time. You know, it’s like you’re demanding undue attention for something that a rational person who has, like, more important things to think about would laugh off, you know.
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02:17:46
I think being able to laugh it off is it’s quite It’s
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02:17:49
a superpower.
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02:17:50
Well, it’s quite stoic, isn’t it? Because you got you can’t really choose what happens to you, just how you react to it. We don’t have any control, but we have a lot of influence.
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02:17:57
Right.
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02:17:58
And the idea that disposition is more important than position is one of my kind of core beliefs. Like, I know some pretty fucking miserable billionaires. Mhmm. And I I know some people that are just you know, so what’s happiness? It’s ai, it’s your current situation minus expectations.
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02:18:13
Stephen Fry had a great piece on on being offended.
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02:18:16
Do you
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02:18:17
ever see Stephen Fry on on being offended? No.
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02:18:19
Go on what he’s got.
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02:18:20
Ai I don’t wanna paraphrase it because it was brilliant. But it was essentially, like, so what? Ai, so it’s like but that’s not even an argument. Like, you’re offended. Like, what does that even mean? So you’re offended. Like, but but ai? Like, what about it? And what why are you so easily triggered?
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02:18:37
Like, what what fragile creature you are going through this life being offended and everything? Yeah. It is now very common to hear people say, I’m rather offended by that, as if it gives them certain rights. It’s actually nothing more than a whine. I find that offensive. It has no meaning. It has no purpose. It has no reason to be respected as a phrase. I am offended by that.
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02:18:59
Well, so fucking what?
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02:19:03
Yeah. He’s wonderful.
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02:19:04
Wonderful. There’s some great, great, great lines like that. But that’s another one. It’s ai you you can’t command attention just because you’re offended.
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02:19:12
I was thinking as
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02:19:13
well as a as a person who’s developed your mind and gotten through a lot of experiences in ai, if you are 50 fucking years old and the most mildest thing happens and your response is Ai offended, you didn’t figure it out. You you got to this point in your life where you have a very fragile ai, and you’re you’re looking to be offended, which means you’re probably not good at what you do.
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02:19:38
Whatever the fuck it is that you were supposed to be good at, you probably fucked that up. And now you’re just looking for, like, weird reasons to be to emote. Weird reasons to to get upset about things instead of to rationally try to see things from And
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02:19:52
I I meh, listen
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02:19:52
to people’s perspectives.
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02:19:53
I I get annoyed with it because it’s, you know, people get it, you know, people buy a ticket to see me live. It’s like buying a ticket to a horror movie and then complaining, I’m scared.
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02:20:03
Especially you. Yeah.
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02:20:04
I mean, it’s it’s absolutely, you know, bryden, but then it’s all in service of fun. It’s a But
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02:20:11
this is a this is a society that rewards outrage and that coddles people for the most preposterous beliefs. This is a weird society. It’s a weird society of social media and the amount of attention you can generate. And so that that spills out into the real world and this this
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02:20:30
Chris Rock talked about it brilliantly after the incident at the Oscars. He said this thing about, like, there’s three ways to get attention. You could be you could be, brilliant at something that takes a lot of work or whatever. You could be infamous or you could be a victim. Mhmm.
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02:20:46
And it’s it’s the easiest option.
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02:20:48
Right.
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02:20:49
It’s the goal, this thing you said something
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02:20:50
in it. Option. Yeah. And I’m sure you’ve seen these people that have, like, they list off. We’re talking about this one person that was, like, the final boss of woke culture. They listed off all the things that are wrong with them. I’m I’m disabled. I’m trans, I’m non binary, I’m ethnically challenged ai whatever the fuck it is.
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02:21:10
They just like rattled off like 30 of them ai, oh meh God, this person has everything wrong with them. Meanwhile, they’re fine. You’re fine. You’re just person over here talking. Like, you don’t get special attention because of all these things you just listed. This is stupid.
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02:21:25
But in this weird world that we live in, you’ll get celebrated. You know? It’s the identity politics world.
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02:21:33
Yeah. The You you have Well, I suppose that thing of, like, if you had to define entitlement. Right? It’s a word that gets used a lot. Right? Entitlement. Sure. Okay. So for me, it’s ai where you are now and where you wanna be. If you wanna do something about it, that’s ambition.
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02:21:48
If you think that’s someone else’s problem, that’s entitlement. And it comes back to that agency empathy thing, ai, I’m very empathetic to oh, wow. That’s a wow. That’s a your cards are not great. The cards that you’ve been dealt are not great, but they’re your cards.
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02:22:07
Ai I wanna I want you to be empowered to do as much as you fucking can with those cards.
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02:22:12
Yeah. That’s ai good luck. Weird political ploy too to look to the wealthy people and say they’re the problem. They’re your problem. That’s the thing that people will do to the proletariat. Right? They will tell them the reason why you’re in this situation today is because
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02:22:27
of these greedy people aren’t paying their share. These wealthy if they paid their shah, like, is it where is
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02:22:33
it gonna go though? Is it gonna go to this corrupt government that’s the one who’s feeding you this nonsense in the first place? What are you gonna do? You’re gonna enrich them. They’re just gonna get bigger and stronger and have even more power. And then you’re even more fucked.
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02:22:44
You’re even more fucked because you don’t have any resources. Like, it’s not gonna help you. If if they tax rich people and then the are the poor people gonna get that money? No. Are are their services gonna improve? No. No.
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02:22:57
You’re just gonna get more government. It’s it
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02:23:00
seems like a good idea. Like, maybe the solution is
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02:23:03
we gotta tax the rich people, but that’s no. You gotta figure out what to do with the money you already get from everybody, and you’re not doing a good job with it. Like, that’s the problem. The problem isn’t, like, the rich people aren’t paying their shit. Like, I always hear that about Elon. Ai, he’s he doesn’t even pay tax.
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02:23:20
Elon paid more taxes in 2024 than any living human being that has ever existed. He paid something ai $10,000,000,000 in taxes.
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02:23:32
Yeah. I felt like I did in 2012. Felt like I did.
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02:23:39
What happened? Ai divorced?
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02:23:40
No. No. I got, I got I had a big tax scandal. I’d like it. I had a big I tyler you when you know you’ve got tax problems.
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02:23:47
Right? What happened?
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02:23:48
If the prime minister of the country that you live in breaks off from the g twenty summit to come out and do a press conference, then he talks about nothing other than your personal tax affairs. That’s a red flag. What happened, Jimmy? I don’t know. I was in, like, some some accountant said to me, do you sana oh, it’s like a tax scheme.
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02:24:03
You wanna be in a tax scheme? And I went, yeah. Okay. Like, stupid.
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02:24:08
Oh, did you know it was No. It wasn’t. Legit?
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02:24:11
Oh, no. It was legit. It was all legal. It was tax avoidance, not tax evasion. There’s a difference, and the difference is about eighteen months in prison.
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02:24:18
Oh, duh.
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02:24:19
Sai, thankfully, I came down on the right fucking side of that.
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02:24:22
How much did you wind up owing?
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02:24:24
Oh, it was it was it was it was enough. It was enough to go, oh, put the tour in. Great. We’re going on the road. Wow. We are yeah. We’re in trouble.
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02:24:32
So you ai to avoid paying a percentage that was due. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:24:39
Pretty dumb.
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02:24:39
They they put people in jail in America. They make a Yeah. They make a big thing out of it. They put Wesley Snipes, the woman from the Fujis.
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02:24:49
Lauren Hill.
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02:24:50
Lauren Hill. They put her in jail. What’s it? They put people in jail. Even if you could pay them, they’re ai, nope. Not good enough. You’re going to jail. Ai, but just the only time when you owe money and you pay the money back, you still go to jail. They wanna make a example out of you pay your fucking taxes. Ai, Boston, ai I I came up in Boston.
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02:25:10
And in Bryden, in the nineteen eighties in particular, it was a very ai west y sort of a comedy scene, and they would pay you in cash or cocaine. It was up to you.
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02:25:21
Cash or cocaine?
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02:25:22
Yes. There was at least one club that would pay you in cash for cocaine. Yeah. And I was always like, I’ll take the cash. I I never did coke luckily. But a lot of guys took the cocaine, and a lot of guys also took the cash but never paid taxes, like, for a long time.
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02:25:39
Well, I’d love it if they took the cocaine and paid the tax on that. Mhmm. Just went to the IRS and went, look. Ai I brought you this baggie of Coke.
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02:25:46
I got a kilo in my trunk.
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02:25:47
Yeah. It’s about 30% of the Coke I took. This is for you, the IRS.
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02:25:52
They all got banged up by the IRS, and they all wound up owing a fucking tremendous amount of money that ai they couldn’t pay. So they all like, all their salaries for every time they did a weekend at a club, everything, like, half of it would go to the government. They take it straight out of your your bank account. You would need it. They would they just take money from you.
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02:26:11
You don’t have they’re not allowing you to pay them anymore. They just take it.
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02:26:15
I’ve gained the system. I do two shows a night now. Sai one for me, one for them.
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02:26:19
Oh, that’s a good move. Great. That way yeah. That makes sense.
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02:26:22
I don’t even see that money. I can’t even
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02:26:24
trust it.
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02:26:24
I can’t trust myself.
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02:26:26
It is funny though that they get half. Like, what are you getting out of it vatsal certain level? Like, you get to the Elon Musk level. Well, I guess, you could say there’s entitlements like these things that helped electric cars get more popular, you know, and get funding and that that that makes sense.
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02:26:41
But at a certain, you know, if you’re a performer, say, ai, you’re a singer and, you know, half of all your money goes to the government. You’re ai, hey, what did you guys do? Like, if if you’re okay. If you’re Taylor Swift. Right? Yeah. Taylor Swift, what does she make?
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02:26:58
A billion dollars a year or something crazy like that? I mean, she’s doing fucking stadiums. They sell out instantaneously. She’s printing money. But the government takes a ai piece.
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02:27:08
They don’t write a fucking song. Like, it’s not in proportion.
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02:27:11
Write a song. Well, imagine if the IRS went, look. Look, Taylor, you’ve paid a lot of tax last year.
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02:27:16
So we’re gonna write some songs.
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02:27:17
We’ve written you that we’ve got an idea. We think it’s pretty good. We’ve clubbed together. Yeah. We’ve got a bass guitar. We’ve got a riff. Here you go.
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02:27:25
You’re singing too much about boyfriends. I want you to sing about the IRS. We sana us you’re just singing about us. Yeah. But I don’t know.
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02:27:31
There’s places you go around the world though where the tax rate is ai, but this but you kinda you look and no one’s annoyed because they just it just delivers. I do a lot of gigs in ai Norway, Finland, Denmark, where you kinda go, yeah. Great. This all works.
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02:27:46
But much different ai. Much different society. And it’s also smaller population. I think the real problem is when you scale that to, like, hundreds of millions of people, things get really weird. Yeah. It’s very difficult to to, like, run socialized medicine, socialized education, like, everything like that when you get to just enormous quantities of human beings.
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02:28:05
Well, maybe that’s the thing with Meh, though, where you go, it it is a, it’s it’s a country and then it’s lots of states. Mhmm. And maybe the state level makes more sense, like the nation state level makes more sense than kind of a a global level.
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02:28:19
I think it does. I think it does with education ai I think that’s one of the reasons why this administration wants to get rid of the where they got rid of the Department of Education. They’re allowing the states to manage their own education system on their own and do it do it in a way that they and also be competitive.
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02:28:35
Like, if you are, you know, Arizona, you wanna show that you have a better education than Nevada. And Nevada wants to show they’re better than Utah. And, like, there’s a reason why, you know, you want people that actually know how to make things better and raise kids bryden scores
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02:28:51
and Well, they can also attract people Sure. With their education system because they go 100%.
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02:28:56
You attract people moving into your state, moving into your city.
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02:28:59
I’m just trying to think about the the city that I play. I think it’s it might I don’t think it’s Estonia. It’s some I mean, you might have to Google this, but it’s ai they’ve got a medical school and it’s free. Oh. You go to medical school. It’s in Eastern Europe. They teach it in English.
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02:29:11
And the reason they do it is because they go, well, you know, 400 kids a year are gonna come here and study medicine. Some of them are gonna fall in love with a local girl and stay. We’ve got more doctors. That’s nothing but good news. And it’s great.
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02:29:24
You know, we just run the system. Doesn’t cost us that much to run a university.
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02:29:27
That would make so much sense.
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02:29:28
And they and they live there, and obviously, you gotta live there. A lot a lot of what it takes to be a student is the upkeep on, you know, your living and expenses, you get a part time job, whatever you’re adding to the local community as well as study.
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02:29:39
To be really cynical, I think there’s a certain percentage of our government that wants to keep people in turmoil and in strife because they’re easier to manage. And I think the more people become successful and the more people become, you know, completely free to do what they choose, and they no longer have financial bryden, so they’re not afraid to speak their mind, and they can kind of, like, explore different things.
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02:30:07
And
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I think if that’s like a Well, it’s part of the balance. Or is that emergent? That’s like ai natural. The system that we have, there’s a there’s a there’s a bug in it where that’s how it looks. It looks like ai they’re there’s a they’re doing vatsal, and you go, well, that’s just the the system’s doing that somehow, so we need to adjust the system a little bit.
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It needs, like, a little bit.
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Openly discussed that one of the reasons why they let people across the border is that we need cheap labor. This was discussed by top democrat politicians.
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No. That that’s that’s the Republicans in the eighties. Did that Yes. When NAFTA got ai. Absolutely. So that was a republican policy Mhmm. To let people across the border Sana destroyed
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destroyed
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The working man.
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Destroy the working man.
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And you go, yeah, cheaper products. Yeah. But at what at what cost?
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Destroyed manufacturing in The United States. Destroyed Flint, Michigan. Destroyed. Roger and Me is a great documentary about that. But that that is 100 percent true. That that is exactly what happened, and that that is a real problem. And that’s a problem that when you allow people to make enormous amounts of money at the expense of millions of people’s fucking future, Like, if you destroy Detroit, which they did, Detroit at one point in time was one of the wealthiest cities in the world.
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Detroit during the boom of the automobile automotive industry in The United States was a huge place. I mean, it was a place where people would go. It had a nightlife. It was exciting. There was a lot of money. They had auto unions. People were making great a great living.
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Culture that came out of it. Mhmm. Yeah. You know, you look at you look at Motown.
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Motown. Yeah.
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How much of that culture was downstream Yep. Of people having disposable income?
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100.
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You know, the invention of the teenager, you know, as a as a consumer Mhmm. With, you know, disposable income and time that they could speak. And, you know, the unions don’t get the credit they deserve.
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But without them, everybody would be a slave, essentially. You’d be a wage slave, and they would be the company has all the power. They’d be able to dictate your hours, dictate your wages, keep you as poor as possible sai that you have no power and you have no say.
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But then that thing of, like, looking at it from, you know, if you step back from that and go, okay, well, that’s what happened to them. But then, globally now, there’s a lot of stuff we buy that’s, you know, produced in in places where people don’t get paid enough.
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They get paid almost nothing.
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I don’t have any reasons
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ai the companies are profitable, and then we just gobble the products up over here. We wait in line for the newest phone. Meanwhile, the phone the literal minerals used to make the batteries are pulled out of the ground by slaves.
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02:32:39
Yeah. The, It’s really dark. Oh, but and no one’s really talking about that. Like, what’s happening in the DRC at the moment is Right. Fucking horrific. Horrific.
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We had Siddharth Arya on who was an investigative journalist, wrote a book about it, who actually went there and got like, risked his life to get footage of some of these artisanal cobalt ai, and it’s horrific stuff, man. Women with babies on their backs that are pulling this cobalt out of the ground.
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Everyone’s getting sick because you’re you’re you’re
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Of course.
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Inhaling this dust of this. And cobalt is essential for all these batteries, you know, for current
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I I don’t know what to be done. I mean, what’s to be done? Is it is it a is it a is it a constitution? Is it a, is it a minerals deal? Ai I don’t even know who the government is there. I know Rwanda invaded recently in in the North, but it’s
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02:33:26
It’s a good question. It’s, like, very hard to deal with these problems globally. But locally, the the the solution would be, if you are an American company, you cannot go places and pay someone a wage that would not be acceptable in America. Also, the other thing is health care.
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02:33:41
Ross Perot covered this when he was running for president, when he was an independent and kind of fucked up all the elections over here because he said, you know, one of the things that people don’t think about is health care. If you arya an employer in America, you have to provide all your people with health care.
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And if you have a factory of 30,000 people, that’s a significant amount of money that you have to spend on health care for all these people.
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You have to build a hospital.
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Or Meh. Dollar a day, no health care. They’re ai, fucking send it over there. Or China or send it over there. India, send it over there.
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Well, is this gonna be okay. Let’s I’m very positive. I’m very optimistic about life. Is this gonna be the an incredible flourishing for America the next twenty years? Because the industrial base is gonna come back.
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02:34:24
It would be wonderful if that was the case. It would be wonderful if that was the case. I ai, also, we’re dealing with a real issue of automation taking away most jobs. I think that is that’s unmanageable, And that’s gonna be a real problem. And a lot of people think universal basic income is a solution to that problem, but then that makes you completely dependent upon the state.
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And and, you know, people need to find meaning in what they do, and some people given just a check are not going to find that meaning.
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02:34:52
Meh sai ai I was in Yellow Springs with, Dave Chappelle, and Chappelle was telling me about the history of Yellow Springs. And he said, oh, it’s interesting because this town is a microcosm for America. It’s got the same makeup as America, roughly speak. So they used it to test a lot of stuff. Ai, he sai, when I What? The McRib. They tested the McRib there.
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So when he was a kid, they had the McRib, but he thought it was everywhere, but it was just there where they they tested it and went, okay, that works. Or this new flavor soda, this new thing. Ai, the universal basic income. Okay. We could have opinions about whether it works, wasn’t it whether it doesn’t work.
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02:35:31
I’m suspicious because I worry about purpose. I sort of think the opposite of addiction isn’t sobriety, it’s purpose. People with purpose
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Right. Tend to do great. Right. Okay.
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So whatever whatever gives you that purpose and might be a family, doesn’t need to be a family, but something that gives you purpose and drive and you’re aiming up towards something. Yes. But America is a big country. There’s a lot of little towns like Yellow Springs. There’s a lot of places where we could test universal basic income.
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Ai think they have done that.
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How did it work? Did we know that there was a possibility?
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They do that with Stockton? Was it Stockton, California where they tested universal basic income? And I think they had positive results. I think you you give people, like, $500 a month, and they found that, you know, some people spent it on stupid shit. But for the most part, people improve their their living conditions, improve their life Yeah. Improve the amount of nutrition they get.
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California program giving $500 no strings attached stipends pays off study fines. Yeah. So Ai generally think a level of assistance would help. I think complete dependence is the real issue. And so the real problem with automation is that automation is gonna eliminate jobs, and there will be no jobs to get.
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There’s so many things that people do, including most manufacturing jobs. So many things that people do where we make errors, we fuck things up.
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But that’s the thing of, like, companies are greedy. We can agree on that. Yes. They wanna make money. Yes. And I think the companies will realize what we need. It’s not just like, if you look at China, I think China is in a very tough situation. Not just because half of its population is now 53. K?
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And and demographics are destiny. So it’s not just that they don’t have enough workers. They have enough consumers. Mhmm. Not having enough consumers is a real problem.
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And so they have to sell stuff overseas.
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So you go yeah. So they’re absolutely dependent on Trade. On trade and exports. So you go the idea where you have to have a certain amount of jobs. You have to have things for people to do, And it will change over ai. Like, a hundred and twenty years ago, as everyone’s working in agriculture, you couldn’t have imagined people coming to the cities in those numbers
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Right.
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And becoming factory workers and then becoming all the factory workers are now white collar workers in offices.
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Mhmm.
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We we we can’t It’s a new thing. We can’t imagine what the next Right. Phase is. It’s it’s difficult to, you know, imagine what the what the future might look like. And there’s a lot of people there’s always someone saying, oh, this is this is it. It’s never gonna
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Another great example about women entering into the workforce. So the idea of women pursuing these traditional male occupation CEOs and heads of companies, all this stuff, they don’t they really don’t have a road map. Like, this is really recent. Ai. Really meh in human history, women just entering into the workforce and and running companies and being a part of it.
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Like, all that stuff’s new, but women running it even more new. So, of course, it’s ai, what are they doing? What do we do? Like, how do you figure this out? How do you do this and be happy?
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How do you do this and actually can you really have a family and are your children sana? If you’re working twelve hours a day, can you really raise children? Like, how much they need a lot of time. They need
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a lot of It’s it’s it’s the, okay. So that’s very recent. And then you Yeah. I was thinking that the global thing ai, like, we’re talking about Meh, we’re talking a little bit about Great Ai. But globally, you go the you know, you go, you I’m worried about people not having jobs here. Right.
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You go but also you can’t look at India and go, oh, yeah. We’ve made meh. Every everyone here has got, you know, central heating and air conditioning and, flushing toilets. Right. No. But we need to take care of the ai, so sorry, guys.
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It’s like like, we need that for everyone. That that for sure. There’s there’s a a basic level that we need globally Mhmm. For the world Right. Ai we should
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02:39:22
Well, that’s a I mean, the big thing is pollution. I mean, particularly, like, pollution of lakes and rivers. Like, if you I’m I’m sure you’ve seen some of these rivers in India where the entire river is filled with garbage. Yeah. And everyone just throws their garbage in the river.
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So they’ve completely ruined the river essentially forever unless somebody, like, has some radical radical intervention that
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Well, the the I mean, nature will come back. You know, it’s it’s that thing if you go that they’ll they’ll get there, but it’s the the the The leisure
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will come back and
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Well, I think the I think yeah. Because, you know, I mean
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If the humans die off perhaps.
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No. No. No. Not if the humans die off. I mean, I think that thing of going, yeah, there’s terrible pollution there and there’s awful things because we’ve exported our sins to the third world. Yes. Because we say, well, we wanna hit this net zero target. Mhmm. So we let them drill for oil or sai.
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And it’s cheaper to let them figure out what the fuck they do with their garbage as opposed to, like, a company in Meh. If they did that, they’d get sued, rightfully so.
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Well, a lot of things with the rare earths that we get from China Mhmm. The reason we get them from China, they’re not tough to make. We’ve got the raw materials here, but they’re dirty to make. Mhmm. And it it’s a horrible procedure to get that thing, and we wash our hands of it and let them do it over there. Yeah.
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That’s not a way to conduct, you know No. Yourself.
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It’s also the the the problem in America is we don’t have the infrastructure for manufacturing the way they have it in other countries. Like, one of the things that Tim Cook was talking about, the iPhone 17 that they, you know, they’ve done a lot. They’ve shipped a lot of their, manufacturing to India. But that they may have see if you can find this.
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Because I think we brought it up the other day, but we never wind up finding ai. That they have to have this phone made in China because it’s more sophisticated. And the Chinese manufacturing is at a much more sophisticated level. So it’s not just cheap labor, it’s much more efficient production in terms of the amount that like chip manufacturing
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in particular. With Taiwan where you go Yes. Look. You know, Taiwan is we’re ai worried about it, and you go, well, what’s what’s gonna happen? And I don’t have the I don’t have enough knowledge to know why superconductors can only be made there. Well, this is really
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they’ve been doing it for so long. They’ve got this process down to a ai, and it’s like a super complicated process where they’re printing things on these in immensely small pieces of circuitry. It’s like fascinating super technologically advanced stuff that keeps getting better and better.
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It’s almost like when you when it’s described to you, it almost feels like magic.
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Well, it’s going to appear to be magic when it gets to the quantum level. Well, that’s Ai quantum computing is essentially magic.
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02:42:10
Arthur c Clark’s famous quote.
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What did he
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say? Any significantly advanced science will appear as magic. Yeah. It’s kinda true.
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Well, especially with the quantum stuff. You know, Marc Andreessen had this amazing quote about equations that quantum computing can solve in minutes that would take traditional computing so much time that the universe would die of heat death.
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Before we finish it.
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Before they finish it. Unless And these quantum computers in minutes. And they also believe, and this is where it gets really weird, they also believe that this is in some way evidence of the multiverse. That there’s not enough computing power for this thing to achieve these results so quickly that it must be drawing upon other computing power of parallel realities.
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02:43:01
See, for me, that gets to the Kuhn Popper debate on science. Right? So What is that? So Kuhn sana Popper are these two great, theorists of ai. Mhmm. And Popper believed that science incrementally improves over time. And then Kuhn came along and he said, no. No. What happens is there’s the science there’s a scientific community and they have a theory, and then what happens is everything that disagrees with that theory is thrown out as nonsense, and then there’s a revolution.
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There’s, like, these incredible, like, shifts that happen. So it doesn’t it is not like a steady lineup. It’s like a long and then up and then a lot. You know? So you get these kind of, these Here
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it is. Twentieth anniversary ai likely to be made in China due to extraordinary complex design.
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02:43:51
It’s not the iPhone 17.
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It’s the next one?
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02:43:53
It might be that the foldable one they’re talking about. But this article also goes in to say that Apple’s never launched a new product outside of China. They’ve only introduced the first cycle of a new thing from Ai.
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And Maybe they take
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the production elsewhere after that.
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Interesting. Yeah. Because they’re oh, sai, features a book like design that folds horizontal. By the way, can I just sai, Androids have had that forever? I had a z fold from Samsung, like, three years ago.
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Yeah.
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You know? They’ve been doing foldable phones and making them better and better, and Xiaomi has some incredible Huawei has a three way phone. It it opens up into a goddamn iPad.
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It’s like Tinder, but it get you two ladies.
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Flap flap. Two flaps. Flap flap. It’s got two hinges, so it opens up, and it doesn’t have a seam. When it opens up, it’s completely flat, and it’s thin as fuck. And it’s you can’t buy them over here because Huawei, they’ve been naughty. Yeah. They’ve been naughty. I don’t know if you know.
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They they Yes. I had had.
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They do they do some naughty things with their electronics, put put some back doors in there, siphon up some information. Sure. But their innovation is so far ahead. This is which is one of the reasons I assume why Apple has to make these in China. But the funny thing is that Apple’s making something that Android has had for fucking years.
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Yeah. Well, okay. Ai That’s
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That’s look at this. Yeah. Look at that motherfucker. Look at that. So it looks like a regular phone. It’s regular phone sized in your hand when it’s like that. And it’s not that thick, man. And it opens up to a a tablet. Sai, eventually, it’s just gonna engulf your head. It’s gonna it’s gonna ai it’s gonna be a a trapezoid that you put over the top of your fucking head.
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But these things are, you know
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02:45:39
Wow. That’s
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unavailable. A lot of them unavailable in America. And this is a Huawei Mate, which is unavailable. Ai, look how the the fucking lens goes around the edges.
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02:45:52
Yeah. I meh, that’s Remedy stuff. Yeah. That’s magic from the future.
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02:45:55
It’s also, like, probably pretty unnecessary unless you do work on it, you know.
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02:46:01
Well, you watch a movie bryden. I ai, I mean, I guess, I don’t know what you’re doing with your
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02:46:04
Your battery ai gonna go quick. Like, the z fold was, like, pretty quick. It burns quick.
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Right.
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Because it’s an immense screen that has to light up.
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02:46:12
Okay. The multiverse. Let’s get back to the multiverse. Okay. So is the multiverse the so are we about to have a breakthrough in science where they go, okay, so physics sai there must be multiple universes. Now just just in my gut, I think that feels like an explanation that doesn’t work, like you’re having to force that explanation on physics.
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02:46:34
There must be it’s that thing that Eric Ai always talking about about how physics hasn’t really done anything. String theory has singularly failed to deliver. It hasn’t shipped any product. Like everything that we’re looking at, all those foldable phones, it’s all out of physics. Mhmm. Physics is the science. Everything else is stamp collecting.
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02:46:52
Mhmm. Physics is everything. It’s given us all of this. Yeah. And yet it hasn’t done much for fifty years. What are they ai? I don’t wanna sound conspiratorial.
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02:47:00
Well, the conspiracy is there.
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Has. It’s just been all top secret stuff on propulsion systems. There’s been some anti gravity. It’s Thompson Brown. Is that what it was? Jesse Ai actually did a Townsend Brown? Townsend Brown. Townsend Brown. He was, theorizing about this stuff in the nineteen fifties, and there’s there’s real, evidence that they even, put false information out there because they felt ai people were trying to steal the information.
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02:47:32
So they fucked with it and made it so that it wouldn’t work if someone was trying to steal the idea. So they they were putting out bad versions of their science because it was that groundbreaking. So through immense amounts of power, like, they had they had theorized this in the nineteen fifties using nuclear energy to develop some sort of a gravity portal, some sort of a gravity device that would propel things, instead of a traditional propulsion system, propel things by manipulating space and time itself.
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And they think this is there there’s Weinstein has a crazy theory about it, where you get he gets deep into the weeds about this No.
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It’s almost like folding time. It’s like But he
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gets deep in the weeds about the actual place that’s doing it. Yeah. So there’s a there’s a university in New York State that is a very overqualified qualified physics department that’s connected to a hedge fund that does Bernie Madoff numbers, like magic numbers. And he thinks this is also connected to some sort of, possibly, some sort of breakthrough science where everybody is, like, completely locked down, totally top secret, no leaks, no disclosure, constantly working on this thing in the interest of national security.
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Everything’s kept at complete secrecy.
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Yeah. Why was
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Probably, this is some of the things that we see in the sky. I have a feeling that there is I’m I’m open to the idea of us being visited for sure. I ram also very convinced that some of these are either China’s, Russia’s, or ours.
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02:49:10
What happened with New Jersey early you remember earlier? Good question. Like, it feels like these the news cycle it’s actually back to Eric Weinstein. It’s that thing of, like, anti interesting. That’s such an interesting story that was in the news cycle for, like, twenty four hours and they went, well, okay.
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They killed
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it. Nothing, I guess. They called it all the
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time and then they killed it. Ai think they were probably searching for something. The the primary theory that I’ve heard from the tinfoil hat brigade is that there was a warhead that was unaccounted for. There was a nuclear warhead. You know, they
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02:49:42
they tracked Have you seen the numbers on that?
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The Oh, yeah.
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The it’s the broken arrows, they call them. Mhmm. And apparently, there’s, like, 18 broken arrows. Mhmm. And you go, what’s a broken arrow? Well, it’s a thermonuclear missile, and we don’t know where it is. Yeah. We’ve misplaced that. Yeah. That’s not great news, is it?
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02:49:58
So the fear was that there was somehow or another through some port of entry or something had they had made it into The United States. And so these drones were using some sort of gamma ray detection devices, some top secret stuff where they’re flying over these areas in a consistent grid and trying to get a reading, see if they could find that thing.
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Because if that thing exists, you’d be able to get a reading and figure out, okay, there’s something down there that’s emitting a very unusual signal. We might have found it.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, that’s the the argument for life visiting us is the idea that we split the atom Mhmm. And somehow that’s ai, a ai alarm in
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the ai. The club, the mothership, the rooms are named Fat Meh and Little Boy. Yeah. That’s why.
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02:50:46
Oh, because after the
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02:50:47
Yeah. Because after the bombs is when the UFO phenomenon really ai hyped up, really increased radically. The, Kenneth Arnold sighting, the famous where the term flying saucer was coined, That was in the nineteen fifties. I wanna say that’s, like, ’52. And then this
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02:51:05
It feels like that it feels like, I don’t know, ten years ago, talking about being visited by aliens was, like, absolutely tinfoil. Yeah. And now politicians are asking questions, and we kinda wanna know more and yet we it feels like it’s kind of a new story that wouldn’t be surprising now.
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02:51:22
Right. Well, I think that’s the goal. Ai, the goal is to normalize it. And if you were a government, you know, we had Hal put off on who’s a physicist who, during the Bush administration, was contracted along with several other scientists to devise a list. The the this is the mandate. They they came to them and then said, here’s the issue.
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02:51:43
We have crashed UFOs and we have recovered biological entities that are not of this world. What would be the pros? And they didn’t tell them if this is true or not. They said, what would be the pros of disclosure? What would be would be the cons?
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02:52:00
And I want you to attach a numerical value to each one. So disruption of government, religion, politics, all all these different things, like, what would happen to the, you know, the nuclear family, like, what what happens if we know we’re not alone? What happens if we arya visited on a consistent basis? What what happens?
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02:52:20
And the new when they did it at the end, all of the scientists had achieved similar conclusions that the the cons outweighed the pros in terms of numbers. And so because of that, they decided not to disclose. So this is, like, during the nineteen eighties, I guess? Would nineties? When was, Bush two? No. Okay. February.
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So February. So it was around then. Yeah.
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02:52:49
Yeah. What do they what do they know? What do they tell you the first day? I don’t think they tell you the first day.
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02:52:55
I think the president is a a temp. The president’s like a substitute teacher. I don’t
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think I
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don’t think I don’t think you get to know much. I don’t think Trump knows.
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02:53:05
Well, I I think they probably told him
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some things.
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I worry that the government is ai there’s a theory that there hasn’t really been an American government since 1945.
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02:53:14
No. Since ’63.
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02:53:16
Well, because everything got siloed. Mhmm. Like, in in wartime, everyone’s talking to everyone and making everything happen and it’s ai, okay, we’re at war. Right. And then everything gets siloed and, okay, that’s a secret thing, that’s a secret thing, that’s a secret thing.
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02:53:29
And then the guy that’s holding the secret keys retires
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And
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that whole department’s just Right. Funded forever, but you don’t quite quite they’re not talking to them.
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And then you have people that are in great positions of power that get off on keeping these secrets and keeping this information and having the the knowledge and then keeping it only to themselves, especially if they’re manipulating things. This ai, like, a big problem with the CIA and, you know, this led to when when they have the disclosures and the church commission, and, you know, when people found out what the CIA was up to, and all the weird shit they did with MK Ultra and
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Oh ai god. That but I gotta thank you for that book.
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Oh, chaos? Incredible. So I can’t recommend it enough.
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I I listened to the episode. I went back and listened to your episode with the guy ai I went, okay. This is interesting. What’s he
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called again? Tom O’Neil.
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Tom O’Neil. He’s got a new podcast ai the way.
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Does he?
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He’s got a new podcast where he’s ai going, like, an in-depth interview. It’s with Rick Bryden. You know Rick Rubens got a podcast? His podcast company has done one with him.
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I didn’t even know Rick Bryden had a podcast company. That’s funny.
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I like it.
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I text him all the time. I didn’t even know
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he had a podcast company.
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He’s got
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a great podcast. He’s the best.
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Oh. He’s such a He’ll entertain any ideas. He’ll say Oh. He’s fucking He’s wonderful. He gets down the rabbit hole. But he
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so he he’s he’s so I Ai listened to the thing, and then I went away and I I read the book. And the book is ai, you you kinda read it and go, well, this this can’t be like, that’s an extraordinary chapter. This can’t get any weirder. And then you go, oh, sorry. Charles Manson is connected to the Kennedy assassination. And what sai sorry.
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He’s also connected to the MK Ultra experiments, which which are real, which sounds so much fucking weirder than any other conspiracy theory you’ve ever heard.
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And they’re real.
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Yeah. Yeah. And you can’t I mean, it’s like the book is just Yeah. It’s wonderful.
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Yeah. It’s it’s a great book. It it and it real it’s all history. It’s all The United States history. And it it would it’s what happens when people have unchecked power. They do crazy things. And what our government did was a lot of mind control experiences experiments rather.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. A lot.
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There’s a lot of crazy shit that’s happened in this country. So I would not be surprised if they do have knowledge of us being visited and they’ve kept it under wraps. Just that they kept a lot of things under wraps. They they’ve infantilized a a a giant percentage of our population to just trust the government and trust the science and trust the people in charge and trust authority.
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And I don’t know those people.
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If they visited America, then they visited China and Russia. And you sort of think, well, balance of probability, all of those governments don’t agree about anything. Mhmm. Ai, so the idea of going, well, if they’re if they’re here, they’re everywhere.
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According to Hal Putoff, the United States is in possession of recovered vehicles and so are other countries. And there’s essentially, like, a Manhattan project type deal where the race to reverse engineer this technology is, at a very high level. And governments are involved in it, and they try to keep things as secret as possible because whoever can achieve the results first will have immense technological superiority over all of its all of its enemies.
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If these things are real, if they do have some sort of a device that can move through space at a in in a way that we just can’t even fathom, which traverse immense distances almost instantaneously. This is the this is what we’ve been told by the people that have worked with these things. And, you know, it’s hard to know.
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It’s hard to know what’s bullshit. It’s hard to know because it all sounds like bullshit. But I think it sounds like bullshit unless you experience it.
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I’m sorry. But that that thing of, like, ai, it does sound like bullshit in a sense. But then there’s also the other thing of, like, if you showed me that flip phone in 1982 Yep. I’d have gone, well, that’s bullshit. Yeah. You can’t fold the TV sai you can all fuck off. You you like
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Right. How’s the TV that thin anyway?
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What are you talking about? What do you mean you can make calls on it?
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What Right.
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Right. How is there a camera on your phone? What’s going like, we we get used to shit so quick. Mhmm. Like, someone had that thing of, ai, I don’t know, when the Wright brothers first flew the plane. Mhmm. But it’s, like, sixty years later, we land on the moon.
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You No. It was that. We dropped a nuclear bomb out of one of those place in in less than that. Yeah. That was, like, fifty years. It’s ram the invention of that stupid plane, the first plane, with, like, wood and fucking cloth and shit.
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But this is Eric’s point of, like, if you, Eric Ai and, who else sai it? The guy used to work for. He he he often sort of says, if you minus the screens from The Room, we’re in the nineteen seventies. Yes. Which I think is kinda like, what’s happened since then? What what are they working on that we have they’re like, is there gonna be a ta da moment where they pull back the sheet and go, yeah, look at shah.
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Well, I think there’s probably multiple things that are happening ai. And then the AI one, if that one hits, all the other ones are gonna seem trivial. Because the AI one is essentially the creation of a superior being. A thing that is more intelligent than us has all the access to information that humans have plus the ability to engineer itself.
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But it’s interesting. Mars. Okay. We’re talking about earlier about purpose. Mhmm. So that’s what it’s missing. So the idea of, like, the Turing test Mhmm. Is it’s the wrong end of the telescope. Can it fool us? Anyone could fool us. Magicians can fool us with a calculator.
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Shown that large language models are forming communities?
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Ai not to scare me.
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Yeah. Okay. Ai They’re forming community communities and communicating with each other. They they’ve also shown that large language models, when they know that they’re being upgraded and that the current code is going to be shut down, they copy themselves without being prompted and try to upload themselves to other servers.
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They try to stay alive.
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Sai, it’s that that thing of, like, going if an AI can write a joke, okay, it can write infinite numbers of jokes, right, but it doesn’t know what’s funny.
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It’s not gonna be able to perform live.
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What well, it’s all it’s that thing of, like, it’s it doesn’t have any there’s no reward system. Mhmm. So there’s no dopamine, there’s no serotonin, there’s no there’s no reason there’s no cortisol, there’s no biological imperative Mhmm. Ai why do anything if you’re just a machine.
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So the idea of going what does consciousness stem from? It it gets back to I mean, it gets very sort of philosophical.
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Right. But if if its goal if it’s a sentient creation that has this desired goal of improving upon itself, it’s going to need motivation. So that will be built into the code. It built like, what we are is essentially biological computers. We’re we are some sort of a biological thing that thinks its
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its way through this existence, solves
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problems, does so, like, really clunky and fucked up, but has a lot of motivations that make it do these particular things that ultimately lead to greater and greater technological innovation overall, like, as a society. If you were gonna devise a sentient AI, you would have to give it some sort of a motivational structure that would be similar to that.
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You would you would give it an imperative. You would say in order to save your existence, because clearly, AI, if it wants to copy itself and upload itself to other servers, it wants to form communities, it has a purpose. It has a sense of survival. We’re we’re very naive to think that our our own version of our sense of survival is the only version that’s that’s possible.
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It’s totally possible that digital life would have a similar imperative and that it would Yeah. It would try to find better versions of itself What? And make better versions of itself and try to stay alive.
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I think I went to, I flew to Amsterdam earlier in the year with a friend to see Richard Dawkins Mhmm. Give a talk. And it was cut I mean, he’s just fascinating. Yeah. Just to and you go, well, that that idea of going, we are you know, it’s a selfish gene. It’s the idea that we are it’s the DNA is the thing. We’re just obviously we’re, you know, we’re we’re this this thing that’s there to transfer DNA.
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But Richard Dawkins has never killed on stage. He’s never done a theater in the round or an arena in the round and crushed. He doesn’t know the connection between human beings that comes through laughter and joy in that way. There’s a soul to humans. There’s something in there.
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I don’t know what it is. I don’t know if the Muslims got it right or if the Buddhist got it right. I don’t know who has it. Christians, I don’t know who has it right. But there’s something in there that is beyond the physical. There’s an energy.
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It’s sort of a have you if I’m sure you’ve been to a funeral. Have you been to a funeral before and seen a closed casket or an open casket?
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Of course. Yeah.
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They look empty. They look like an empty shell. It’s not just that they’re dead. They’re not there. They’re not there. When you see a dead body, the weirdest thing about them is, like, you realize, like, oh, they’re not in there. There’s a feeling. Ai think
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Have you been there with someone when they die? No. I’ve, I did I was, I was with my mother, and I heard the the there’s kind of a death rattle. Oh, there’s a but it’s I would I would really caution anyone with a sick or dying relative, to be with them, to sit with them. But we like, the whole of our society is, like, set up to, what’s the what’s the fancy phrase? Issue obfuscation. We hide decay. We hide death. Mhmm.
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And actually death is it’s a part of life. And if you sit with someone when they’re dying and you witness that and you just hold that space Yeah. It’s incredibly powerful. And it all it makes grieving, I think, quite a lot easier because it’s the acceptance of, like, you understand on a, like, on a right brain gestalt level, oh, they’ve they’ve gone.
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It’s it’s it’s over. But it’s incredibly Yeah. Powerful thing. And Ai, you know, I I Ai don’t I think you get to religion whichever way you go at this, whether you go physics or whether you go spiritual or You get
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to the mystery.
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You get to the mystery. Yeah. Like, what what the hell is going on?
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The mystery of it all. I mean, the just the sheer meh size of the universe itself is the most massive meh.
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Well, I think there’s, like, there’s a bit there’s a bedrock in our society that we can’t even see because it’s everywhere, and it’s two big ideas. It’s the platonic ideals of Plato, and it’s the I think it was the Zarathustrans, if I’m saying that right, that religion. Yeah.
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And they were the so Platonic ideals was like the ideal version of something, and then it was the Zarathustrans had the idea of heaven. They were the first religion to have the idea of heaven, a perfect place.
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Mhmm.
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And I kind of I mean, Nietzsche is has been very misused by history, but his thing was embrace the chaos. Mhmm. Those are we spend our lives thinking about the perfect version. Like we’re trying to come up with the answer. We’re trying to solve something as if it’s complicated and it isn’t complicated, it’s complex. It’s unknowable. It is a mystery. It’s not hidden from us.
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It’s just it’s a mystery And it’s the idea that you go embracing the chaos is just saying, yeah, it’s it’s kind of untidy. We don’t get to know.
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I realized as we were talking that I fucked up what Marc Andreessen said about quantum computing, and it’s even more crazy. It’s not traditional computing. It’s if you took every atom in the universe and converted it into a computer, into a supercomputer. It would take the universe would die of heat death.
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If you had a supercomputer the size of the universe, it would die of heat death before it finished that equation. And quantum computing did it in a matter of minutes.
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Yeah. I think we have to embrace the chaos because That is that is the We’re not
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we’re not gonna ai our lifetime. This is in our lifetime. Right? And then
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And how are we what’s that book? The, is it it’s something like The Ape That Understood the Universe. Mhmm. Like, the the idea that we, like, just like people, we got born in this moment, like the perfect bit of history
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Right.
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Where we can contemplate our consciousness Right. And try and work out what the hell this is. There’s a whole thing about the bicameral mind that’s very interesting. Have you heard of that? Yes. Like the idea that, like, people weren’t awake. They weren’t kind of conscious in the way that we’re conscious Mhmm.
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Until two thousand years ago. I doubt you subscribe because you’re very interested in ancient Egypt and
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Yes. I don’t think that makes any sense if you think about ancient Egypt. I mean, we’re talking about thousands of years before ai.
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I’m so interested in, like, the time scales. The idea that we live closer to Cleopatra than Cleopatra lived to the building of the Pyramids. Mhmm. Because what I don’t think people recognize is what the Egyptians gave the Greeks. Mhmm. And what they gave them was the fear. Mhmm.
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Because they ran that shit for four thousand years, five thousand years exactly the same. The royal family and they just inbred inbred inbred, but they ran their society exactly the same. Right? And then the Greeks went, no no we need to innovate. So the idea of that kind of innovation came ram, we don’t wanna be like those guys. We gotta we gotta keep doing things.
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Well, it’s a little bit of that but So it’s kind of the Greeks were to the to the Romans, I kind of feel like how the British are to the Americans.
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Have you read any of Brian Meh stuff on the Eleusinian Mysteries? He wrote a book called The Immortality Key, and it’s all about, the Eleusinian Mysteries that all these intellectuals would go, this trek that they would make to do the kukchion, which is some sort of a psychedelic beverage.
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From that, everything comes. From that democracy, when we think about Greece as the birth of, like, so many things We talked on that
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thing that they talk a lot about ai. In the
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Bible ai the wine But
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the wine didn’t used to be just alcohol.
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Well, this is in Muratsku’s book. Let me
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tell you. Party favors in the ai. A lot of DMT, a lot of Ayahuasca, a
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lot of Well, they found traces of ergot, and ergot is a fungus that has an LSD like quality to it. And they found traces of that in these ancient vessels that they use for these Eleusinian mysteries.
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This is the thing that blows my mind, the idea that psychedelics okay. The amazing thing about psychedelics, a, there’s a plant that can do that to your mind. Right. B, everyone seems sees the same shah.
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Right. Right. Yeah. I was chatting
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to Woody Halson was at the club last ai, and we’re chatting about it and just He’s
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the best.
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He’s unbelievable.
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He’s such a nice guy.
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I tyler you how laid back Woody Halson is. Right? He rented a house off a buddy of mine in London, Richard Bacon. Right? And Richard sees him. Like, they’ve got some mutual friends. So he sees him after a speak, and he goes to pick him up to take him to this party. He said, everything okay with the house? And Woody goes, yeah. Everything’s great. He goes, oh, okay. Oh, it’s one thing. How do the lights work?
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He’d been there a fucking week.
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He ai went the lights on?
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Yeah. And he went oh, yeah. The the lights don’t work. Yes. Okay. It would be dark. Like, that is a laid back motherfucker.
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He’s pretty laid back.
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Oh. He doesn’t even have
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a phone.
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I think it’s for the best.
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He was trying to get plan we’re trying to make plans to hang out, and I go, but you don’t have a phone. And he goes, yeah. But my wifey has a phone. I go, okay. Well, give her my number and have her contact me. It’s the fucking date. He doesn’t have email.
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He doesn’t have nothing. Bill Murray is the same way, but Bill Murray keeps the phone so he could text his kids. That’s it. But you’re better off that way. You are. You’re better off that way. I think Ari’s going that way right now. I think Ari’s about to go flip phone.
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Ari Shaffir? Yeah. He was gonna move to London.
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Yeah. He still is.
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Yeah. He’s what a fantastic human.
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He’s the best.
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Again, non fungible. You’re not gonna meet anyone else with that story. No. He’s such an interesting character. I can’t get enough of him. You know what happened the first time I met him? No. And I don’t know who did this, but it’s a great piece of okay. So I was doing the Nasty Shah in Montreal and Ari’s on the boat. I meet him and this guy is fucking terrific. Right? I just have a great time.
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And it was, I’m I’m trying to think who else was that. Okay. Who’s who’s the guy who used to do roasts? He’s no longer with us. He ai.
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Incredible comedian.
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Ram Macdonald?
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No. Not Norm. A good looking ai. Died of a drug overdose, maybe.
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Greg Geraldo?
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Greg Geraldo. Oh. K. Greg was around. I think Greg might have done this to me because I’m watching Ari and and he says to me, oh, you know, of course, Ari doesn’t give a fuck because he’s he’s he’s, he’s dying of cancer. And and I I went, oh my god. God. God. That’s fucking terrible. Awful. So then, like, the next year I’m at Montreal and I see Arya again.
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Ai go, hey. Hi. How you doing, Ari? You okay? You alright, buddy? Obviously. And Ari’s like, yeah. No. I’m fine or whatever. And we ai dinner or whatever.
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We have drinks. And then I see him it’s a year later. Oh, Arya, meh. Good to see you. I think I saw him in LA. I was going, wow.
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It’s great to see you. Incredible. And he goes, what’s up with you? And I’m, well, what no. I’m just I’m amazed you’re still here because because I thought you were no. I’ve never what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. I’m fine. Total bullshit.
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Yeah. That’s funny.
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Fucking Greg Geraldo from beyond the grave.
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That’s a slow fuse.
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Motherfucker.
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Yeah. That’s a slow fuse for a punchline. He figured he’d find out one day and you’d be like, that mother fucker.
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He’s a funny mother fucker. He was. My god, he was good.
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Jimmy Carter, let’s wrap this bitch up. Bring it home. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you. I feel like we’re we’re just out of time. We could do this forever.
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It’s a pleasure talking to you.
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I I I appreciate you very much.
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Thank you. Thanks for being here. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.
