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In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, several key topics are discussed, including mental health awareness, pet care, and ancient Egyptian history. The episode is sponsored by BetterHelp, emphasizing the importance of mental health care and encouraging listeners to seek therapy to improve their well-being and relationships. The host highlights the stigma surrounding mental health and the benefits of therapy, such as increased self-awareness and healthier emotional expression.
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A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to a conversation about ancient Egypt, featuring discussions on the Sphinx, the Great Pyramid of Khufu, and the concept of Zep Tepi, which suggests the existence of older civilizations predating known Egyptian history. The conversation references experts like John Anthony West, Graham Hancock, and Robert Schoch, who propose alternative theories about the age and origins of Egyptian monuments.
Throughout the episode, recurring themes include the importance of questioning mainstream narratives and exploring alternative perspectives, whether in the context of mental health, pet care, or historical interpretations. The overall message encourages listeners to be open-minded, seek knowledge, and prioritize their well-being and that of their loved ones, including pets.
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#2321 – Dr. Zahi Hawass Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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You can talk as long as you want. No.
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It’s up to you at the time. It’s up
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to you. I’ll talk to you forever. I have so many questions. I’m very excited to meet you. Same. I’ve seen you in documentaries for decades. Mhmm. So many documentary. I’ve watched so many things about Egypt. I’m completely fascinated by it.
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You know, I will tell you something. Do you know this guy used to do to do a radio show late evening?
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Art Bell? The best.
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He was the best. I need to say this on air. Okay. I need to say his story on air. Okay. Now are we in air now?
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Yeah. We’re on air.
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Art Bill used every everything to attack me. Hit back you. Yes. Oh. How the how I say how the Egyptian can move stones.
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Oh.
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That’s not true. The Egyptians cannot do that. Ai I was teaching at UCLA, and he called me for an interview. I said, no. I’m not going to give you an interview until you come to visit me in Egypt. And he said, okay. He came with his wife. I took him to a quarry that we are cutting stones to conserve to construct the sphinx.
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Then I brought a stone, eight tons weight, and I brought a man on the age of 70. And I told this man, cut this stone. The all the man stood above the stone. You know, stones has weak parts like us. Mhmm. With a pencil, he draw a line from the beginning to the end.
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In the middle, he put a piece of ai, pump pump. He cut it for twice. I said art, the Egyptian, doesn’t use muscles. They use their brain because the pyramid was the national project of the whole nation. If you go today, if I take you today with me and, you know, I always tell people this.
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I give lectures maybe three, four times a week for American groups, and I tell them the following. If you stood in front of the Great Pyramid and you look at it, you will never believe that this pyramid built by human being. Why? Because you don’t know. And number two, if you try to do it today, you’ll never be able to do it.
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Are you going to hire today 10,000 workmen to work for 10 for twenty eight years for nothing? That was the national project of the whole nation.
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I think Art Bell’s real concern was how would someone possibly move those stones four thousand ai hundred years ago.
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Okay.
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A lot of questions. Right?
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Yes. But can I answer you now?
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Yes, please.
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Meh. Two examples I will tell you. The first example happened a few years ago. I discovered a tomb in a site called Abosir. In the top of the tomb, there was a huge granite sarcophagus, 20 tons weight. Okay? Okay. If you come to Egypt have you been to Egypt?
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No. I haven’t.
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You have to. If you talk about Egypt
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I have to.
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You have to come.
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I know.
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But you have to tell me before you come.
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I’ll come. I will tell you.
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Now. I promise. I brought only 10 people because I called the minister of culture, and I told him, we found an intact tool. And the minister said, wait. I will bring the reporter, the press, and we’ll do it live. I said, okay. But I hate to do anything live. Then I came to the site.
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I brought my workmen. Tin workmen only moved the 20 tons only by all the religious. We found underneath another sarcophagus, ten ten tons weight of granite. We took the third one, and we found underneath another a third one, five tons weight. We took the five tons out, and we found underneath a coffin with a mummy. And I told the workmen put everything back. And I called the minister.
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I said you can bring the press. We’ll operate life. I never told them that they cheated him, but only in a ai that I’m excavating right now, we do discover 60 feet under the ground. We discover sealed sarcophagus. The lid is about 10 tons weight. Two meh only open the lid for me. We have a machine called the devil.
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I don’t know why they called it the devil. Devil? Devil. Ai? I don’t know. I asked of them. They said our grandfathers called it like that.
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Then they broke This
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is an ancient machine?
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It it is an ancient machine.
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Jamie could probably pull it up. Then they
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Probably online. They they put this machine under under the lid, and they come do it like this, and there is a little bit. Mhmm. When the lid the lid is laced, they put a piece of wood, another piece of wood. And that’s until there’s a half a feet that they can put
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Right.
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My face inside with the with a flashlight to see what’s inside the coffin. That’s what we because the people today are the descendants of the ancient Egyptian. There is a a village located North of Luxor, and this village, all the people work in antiquities. And they know, if you look at their faces, exactly like the Asian Egyptian people and all the people working with me. I’m excavating right now.
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In Giza, we’re gonna tell you good news sai the Great Pyramid that we found, And also in Saqqara and Luxor. And this is why in my lecture tour now, I’m making major important meh that we’ll talk about it with you today.
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Okay. What what did you find? Now,
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you know, can I call you Joe? Please do. And you call me Sai.
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Okay.
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Now, you know, I do receive fan emails. You’ve received emails? Fan. Fan emails. About 50 a week. Some of them, bad ones. Some people think that I discovered evidence to prove that pyramids built by aliens or lost civilization, and I hide them. I never answer these questions.
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But to you, I tell you, how do I how can I hide anything? I’m not working alone. I’m working with people. You you cannot hide anything because people will see you. And I will tell you a joke. It happened, but it’s a joke.
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A reporter came to see me from California to my office, and my office was located next to Great Pyramid Of Khufu. And he said to me, people say at twelve noon, you leave your office and you go to the bathroom, and you open a tunnel from your bathroom. Through it really, it’s what he said. And you go from the tunnel to the Great Pyramid Oh. And you hide things and you come back. I said, okay.
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What do you need from me now? He said, I want to see your bathroom. This really happened. He went to my bathroom. Did he check all the panels?
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And he came back. Have you seen any tunnels in my bathroom? He said, no. I said, what are you going to do now? He said, I will publish your bathroom in the Internet. And therefore, if you don’t see my bathroom, write w w w dot hawaii’s bathroom dot com.
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Is that much of an issue that people really believe it, that you had to make a website for it?
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They do. They do believe in this. And and some of them attack me badly.
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Well, that’s part of the problem. Right? Ai that the Egyptian Pyramids and just Egypt in general is so spectacular. The accomplishments of the ancient Egyptians were so monumental and so above anything that anybody had ever achieved. And since, you know, what they’ve done thousands and thousands of years ago, still to this day, puzzles people when they try to figure out how it was built.
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I will tell you.
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You will tell me how it was built? Of course. Okay. I How do you know?
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How do you know?
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How do you know?
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Well, I found all the evidence of building the pyramid. I we we published a book, 1,000 pages. This book is a ai of the pyramids of Giza Plateau.
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Okay. Tell me how they did it. Now
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what we found out, the major problem that people think about pyramids because most of the information that’s written on pyramids are wrong.
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Most of it?
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Most of it.
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In archaeology books?
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In archaeology books. Really? Except me and Mark Lehner.
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You guys are the only ones that have it right?
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Because we I’m have been working in Giza for the last fifty seven years of my life. I excavated every piece of sand.
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Okay. Let’s what have what do the archaeologists have wrong in these archaeologists’ books? For example, number one,
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they say that the workmen who built the pyramids worked it only four months a year. When the flood covered the whole country, the king ai the workmen to work in this pyramid. This is wrong, and I ai tell you what’s correct. Number two, that the stones used in building the Great Pyramid came from Torah, and Torah is a 25 mile to the east from Giza.
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And number three, that Kufu ruled for twenty three years. And number four, that the stones of the Great Pyramid are 2,000,300 soldier blocks.
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How many blocks are there?
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Now let us talk about number one, the workman. The workman. I found the tombs of the pyramid builders only one mile south of the Sphinx, a major important discovery that can tell everyone. Number one, that pyramids built by Egyptians because of the names that we found inside the cemetery, and they were not slaves
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because Is that your phone?
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It’s I have to. I have to.
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Yeah. Kill that thing.
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Kill it. You’re right. I always because I do lots of interviews, I always close it.
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Oh, I do.
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Except it today.
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No worries. Nobody knows how to shut these things off anymore. Then now this discovery So explain. So you found the pyramids excuse me. You found the workers’ pyramids graves a mile away.
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Away one mile south Okay.
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Of the pyramids. And by their names
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of Bryden then I found names of the workmen. I found the lower symmetry. The lower symmetry were for the burial of the workmen who moved the stones, and the upper symmetry was for the technicians.
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Right. And how do you know this?
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I will tell you. Okay. Now the tombs down there are very primitive tombs built from mud bryden, cost nothing. Underneath is a skeleton. And if a skeleton is for a man, he’s holding a beer jar. He wants to drink beer in the afterlife. If the skeleton is for a woman, she has a perfume vessels. She wants to have perfume in the afterlife. Inside the upper cemetery, I found 21 titles in hieroglyphic.
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For example, the overseer in hieroglyphic of the side of the pyramid.
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Oh, it says that? The overseer of the side of the pyramid?
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Meh hieroglyphic. The overseer of the West side of the pyramid. Draftsman craftsman. The one who stand in front of the harbor. All these titles had to do with building the pyramid. Ai the tombs, we found the tools that the Egyptian used to cut the stones. What tool? Ai and flint tools because in the Old Kingdom, there was no iron.
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Are these photos of these tools available online? Can we look at them?
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Yeah. I can send it to you.
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And Ai are they online?
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No. In my book, Giza and the Pyramids. Ram must ai. I don’t know if it’s online. I’m sure
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it’s online. It’s online. You’ll find it. So these, students these tools were flint and ai? What is diorite?
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Diorite, d I o r I t e. Diorite is more sharp stone than iron, and it came from, a quarry south of Aswan. So you
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feel like they use this very hard stone to cut into the iron?
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And and I will come back to this cutting the stones.
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Okay.
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But let me continue about the meh.
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Okay.
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To the east of the tombs, we found an area for sorting salted fish. We found an area for the bakery, making bread. We found the workmen barracks for the workmen who hold the stones to live. We found a whole city for the technicians, for the artisans, and we discovered thousands of animal bones because people always say that the workmen who built the pyramid, they ate only garlic and bread and drink beer.
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And I thought if they do that, they will die. But now we discovered that they slaughter 11 cows and 33 goats every day, and this can feed 10,000 workmen a day. Then we believe now, and I published, that the workmen who built the pyramids were 10,000 workmen. And they’re working every day, and they took one day off every ten days. Joe, I want to tell you, the pyramid was a national project.
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The three millions who lived in Egypt had to build the pyramid for the king to be a god. And therefore, the households in the South and the North of Egypt participated in building the pyramid by sending workforce and food to help the king. Now we come to the second point, the stones. We discovered that all the stones of the three pyramids at Giza, the stones came from quarries in the site itself.
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Even the king’s chamber?
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No. Except except the granite in the king’s chamber. And
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And where’d that come from? From Aswan. And that’s 500 miles away. Right?
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Yes. By the flood. The flood.
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And those were 50 to 80 tons?
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It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t. Yes.
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I would if I was working there, it would matter. I’m not really
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sure why. I showed you. I showed you not to be 50 tons. It’s 20 tons. Now what we found out, first, how the Egyptian built the pyramid. They make on the ground a square base. K?
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Okay.
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And after that, they cut in the solid rock in the four sides. You know, I’m going to tell you one thing.
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Okay.
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If you tell me that ai built by giants, okay, Ai will say, okay. Come to the excavation. All the skeleton that we discover are five to six feet high. Nothing above giants.
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Saying they were built by giants?
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Some people say that.
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Oh, okay.
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The second
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I’ve heard aliens.
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Okay. The second aliens. If, Joe, if aliens build their parents Mhmm. Do they leave any do they shit sometimes? Aren’t they going to shit? Maybe aliens don’t shit. Even they don’t shah. Are they going to to leave something on the ground? On the contrary, I give you the evidence, every evidence that I will tell you today actual workers Right. And what’s happening. Now we come about building the pyramid. Mhmm.
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All the stones Ai told you came from Giza Plateau. We found out what happened first. They cut in the solid rock.
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Okay.
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And they made the base of the pyramid to be 28 feet on the solid rock. Mhmm. No stones. Do you get this? Yes. We have in Egypt One Hundred And Twenty pyramids. We don’t have only Khufu Pyramid that everyone is talking about. You have 120 pyramids. This is one of them.
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Right.
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But the reason that this pyramid is so accurate and saloni, because Giza Plateau is the only site in Egypt of the pyramids. It’s a part of the Makkatan formation. It has three levels. Level one and two are very bad stones, but level three is the top quality of the stones That the Egyptian used this stone to build the pyramid.
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Then after they make the base of the pyramid to be 20 feet each of stone, we found out 1,000 feet away, we found out the quarry location. All the saloni.
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Only had to bring the stones 1,000 feet.
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Only. Only the stones. The case Stones. That came from outside are the casing stones, and I will talk about this later, that came from Sana and the granite came from Aswan.
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And the casing stones with the outside smooth surface.
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Exactly. Line stone. Ram Torah.
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Okay.
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Then now when we discovered the quarry location and the base of the pyramid, we thought how they they established the ramp. You know the ramp? Right. To move To move the stones.
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Right.
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We found out if the Egyptian will make the ramp from the quarry to the base, it will never happen. Because when you raise the base, you need to extend the ramp. Mhmm. We found that out. Listen to this carefully.
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Okay.
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That the only way to have a permanent ramp is to come to the southwest corner of the main pyramid. They built the ramp like this. Okay. And I excavate it. And these are photos in my book, Giza and the Pyramids. I excavate it from here to here. When the Egyptian construct a ramp, when they finish building the pyramid, they demolish they demolish the ramp. They cannot demolish all of it.
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They have to leave something in the ground.
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Okay.
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Do you do you get this?
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Yes.
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I excavated from her to her. I found in situ remains of the ram.
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Are there photos of
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this? Of course.
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In my book. Okay. Let’s let’s find the photos of the equipment first. I can’t find anything.
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Ai I’ll show you what I
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It’s in my book. What did you find?
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What? Not nothing.
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Nothing? The how is that not online? That doesn’t even make any sense.
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It’s in my book, Giza, and the Pyramids.
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Maybe one of the
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This this are the tombs from the book. These are the tombs of the pyramid builders.
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Right there.
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This is the excavation.
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And this all what I discovered. This is my discovery of everything. Every piece of sand here tells us about the builder of the pyramid. But let me continue this. I will come to you the now. Let us let us if you go to my book, you’ll find out that you I found here the du ai and the flint tools.
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List the now I will come. The stones for building the pyramid came from the plateau. The casing came from Torah. Now we come to how how many years Kufu ruled. Joe, there is one big discovery happened a few years ago.
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Are these the stool the tools?
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No. No. This is tools for for artists. The the tools in my in our book, which is big, do you write tools? And big flint tools. Big ones. And
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why is this not online?
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Who would ever put it in Ai? It’s in my book.
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Right. But, I mean, wouldn’t that be everywhere? I mean, that’s such a huge archaeological discovery.
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It’s not. It’s because it’s everywhere. It’s not only the welcoming only. It’s in every site. You have these tools in many sites.
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Right. But why aren’t these tools online? That’s all I’m asking.
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Ask the people online, but they are in remains in my book. Are they in a museum somewhere? There is, some in the Cairo Museum. Yes.
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So there should be a photograph of them in the museum. Okay. What would Jamie look for? But I don’t know. I’m just, like, asking him.
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Now I want to come to
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What museum would have them?
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Cairo Museum.
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Cairo Museum would have those tools? Yes. Okay.
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Now few years ago, a major discovery happened for the first time. It is the first time that we have written evidence about building the Meh Of Khufu. When did this happen? Three years ago. Really? It’s called the Wadi Al Jarf papyri. Oh. Do you want to know what’s in this papyri? I do.
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This papyri was found in Sinai in a port belongs to Khufu. And inside this port, there was caves. And inside the caves found remains of boat and this big ai. So huge.
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There it is.
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That’s it. Exactly.
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Okay? And what does this say?
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Now First of all, how old is that? 4,600 years ago.
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Isn’t that amazing? And listen. Ai writing.
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In this
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4,600 so papyrus was made with animal skin. Correct?
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No. Papyrus was the of, of of papyrus ram the papyrus. Right. What is what is The papyrus is just like leaves.
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Okay.
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Now but listen to the papyrus. It is a diary of of an overseer of the workmen. His name is Merer, m e r e r. Okay? Merer is saying, I am sahj, an hieroglyphic, means speak. Under me, working 40 workmen. I was hired by Khufu to work in his pyramid. This is hieroglyphic. Mhmm.
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And he said, my big my ai immediate boss, his name is Didi.
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Like p Didi?
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Didi. Yes. Now. Okay. Twenty years ago, in my excavation, west of the Great Pyramid, of Khufu, I discovered 20 tombs.
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These are the tombs?
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Yes. No. No. No. This sana the tools. No. No. The tools are really sharp type of big tools. We found some of them.
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What is that Jamie’s looking at? What are these these,
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This could be this the the tombs in the left is like them. The in the left here. But those tools No. No. No. No. More.
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No doubt. No. Where?
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You know here there is two there is more to the left to the left to the left to the left.
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To the left.
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To the left. No. Ai What? These two tools.
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You mean up?
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Down.
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What are you talking
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The ai one. After this one. That’s it. Up. That’s it. And this one. Oh, those. Those.
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Yeah. But don’t those look exactly like the other photograph we just had? Those up there. That looks like the heads of
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these ones. The smalls. I’m talking about big ones. So that’s These are tools for for making, statues and things ai but not cutting the stones.
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Oh, I see. So these are the same kind of tools though with the same kind of materials.
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But let me talk about the ai again. Okay. Because this many people doesn’t know about this. Okay. Then mayor said, my boss is the them is Didi. Twenty years ago, I excavated west of the Great Pyramid Of Khufu. I found 20 tombs, beautiful ones. I published all of them except one small tomb I said is not important.
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Three years ago, I found this is the tomb of Didi, the person that he was the boss of Mary, And I published this tomb. You can find this tomb online now. It’s called Didi’s Tomb by Sai Hawass, west of the Great Pyramid Of Khufu. Now listen, Joe. What Merer said, I took my workmen. This is an hieroglyphic. Mhmm. We went to Torah to cut the white fine limestone.
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This sentence means that the pyramid was finished, and Meh went to bring the stones for the casing. Mhmm. And he sai, I’m not alone. There is many other gangs are cutting the stones, and Torah is in north and south. And he said, I divided my gangs to three gangs.
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One gang to cut the stones, and one gang is smoothing the stones, and it’s smoothing the stones with the right tools to face the stones for the casing. And after that, he said, and the third group moving the stones in wooden sledges
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to us. This is all in the papyri.
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In the papyri.
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Right.
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To a cargo boat. What happened in the Old Kingdom? We have evidence that the River Ai, the Egyptian cut to the west of this River Ai, another Ai to be near the pyramid. From this Nile, they cut a canal. At the end of the canal, there is a harbor in front of every pyramid. I discovered in my excavation, in front of Khufu Pyramid, there is a village called Nazlet Meh. In this village, the people were building houses.
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Underneath the houses, we we found basalt walls. I stopped the construction of the houses, and I excavated the whole area. I found this is the Harbor Of Khufu, and I published this in an article. And I excavated in front of the Sphinx Temple, and I found the Harbor Of Kiffin. Mhmm. And it’s published.
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Now the reason for the canal and the harbor to bring nonlocal stones, granite from Aswan, alabaster from Middle Egypt, ai from from, Diorite from Nubia. Basalt from Fayum. White limestone from Torah. The Egyptian had everything.
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So they essentially cut a second canal. They cut a canal just so they can move the stones to where they wanted them.
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And they discovered all of this. And this is published. If you ai Zeih Hawas And so
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this was all the casing stones. Exactly. Right. Is it possible that the casing stones were put on later?
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Yeah. After you finish building the pyramid Right. Ai would there is two important things when they finish building the pyramid. Mhmm. I discovered in a site called Abosir. I discovered two scenes. One scene where command dragging a capstone. Above the capstone is hieroglyphic word called ai.
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So where is this? What is this? This this is in hieroglyphs? The dragging the capstone?
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Yes. Sai we see this? Find out. I don’t know if it’s Internet. I’m not that bad.
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What would, Jimmy what would Jamie look for?
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Look for Zahi Hawes’s discovery in Abusir.
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How much do you think was lost during the burning of the Ai of Alexandria?
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A lot. Of course. Everything.
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Right?
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Everything. And this ai what I’m telling you based I have been excavating in Giza, Jo for the last fifty seven years. Mhmm. I know every piece of sand in the ai. And I want to tell you one thing also. Okay. I am the only Egyptologist who have an open mind.
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Really?
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That I I always look Ai all yes. I always look at what the public sai. And I will tell you about this later. I will tell you what I found in the pyramid. But I can’t but let me finish this story, and after that, I will come back to tell you how I look at what people sai, and I try to
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Okay.
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To investigate this. Okay. And now, Mueller said, I put the stones on a cargo boat.
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Okay.
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And we came in the boat to Giza Plateau. The store the the meh took the stones up to the pyramid. We slept overnight at Giza. I got up early in the morning with my workmen, went to Torah. He made many times talking about that. Then he said, I went to to Sinai to bring copper and turquoise. But he said in Sinai, our big boss, his name is Ankhaf.
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We know from text that the architect who designed the Great Pyramid who was Khufu’s cousin, his name was Ram Iyouno. Then, actually, it seems now that Ham Iyouno ai, and Ankaf completed the Great Pyramid and built the second pyramid of his son, Kefir. Then he said, I’m working in year twenty seven of Qufu’s reign. He mentioned that Qufu was alive in year twenty seven. How long do you think he reigned for?
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Twenty eight years. I I published an article. I published an article about you can find this article. Ai
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why was the age twenty three twenty three years? Why was that attributed to them?
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No. It’s a good question.
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Egyptologist has a
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problem when they count the name of the king. Because when the ancient Egyptian counted the cattle, they counted the reign of the king. Ai, they count the cattle every year. Sometime, they counted the cattle every two years. Then we make mistakes. But now we have year twenty seven of Kofi’s bryden.
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And we have on the second boat pit that the Japanese are restoring now, we know when the king ai, his son bury him. Then Khufu’s son, his name is Zedefre, who did not respect his father, and I will tell you ai. He buried his father in year twenty eight. Then we know now for sure that Khufu ruled for twenty eight years. Now said something that made me very happy.
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Because twenty five years ago, I wrote an article to say that Memphis was not the capital of Egypt. I said that the king rule Egypt from the pyramid. If the pyramid is in Upper Wash, the king rule Egypt from Upper Wash. If the pyramid is in Giza, Giza, Abu Sir, Saqqara, then Meh said something.
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Many people do not believe me when I wrote this arya. But Mueller sai, Khufu lived in his palace at Giza. If he lived in a palace at Giza, means with the royal family, the public, and the government. And he said that the area that Khufu lived in it, in the pyramid called Ankh Khufu in hieroglyphic, means the Khufu lives.
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This is the name of the city that Khufu lived in it. And he and Meh said, we came to Giza in an area in a horrific called Rashi. And Rashi means literally mouth of the lake. This could be the entrance of Giza Plateau. But what’s really strange, he said, it took me almost one day for me and my workmen to up to come to the pyramid. Why? Because Giza entrance was busy.
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Every stone coming in has to be counted. Every workman has to sign the first letter of his name. And this ai it if you go today to the Port Of New York, it will take you five hours to enter because it’s busy. And this is what happened at Giza Plateau. This papyri, in my opinion, is really one of the most important discovery that tells us for the first time about building the pyramid.
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And now we come to the reign of Khufu, twenty eight years, and now the stones of the great Pyramid. I looked everywhere to find out how they counted the stones.
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Okay.
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That people said it’s 2,300,000 blocks. Right. I found no evidence. It’s only when the Arabs came. You know, all the theories that the new age people say now, it came from the Arabs. When the Arabs came and they entered the pyramid, they sai all sana nonsense stories about the pyramids.
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Then I never found any place to tell me how they cut the stones. But now we have evidence that the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high of solid rock, no stones. In 02/2010, I brought a team ai from every field, and we recounted the stones based on the new evidence, and we found out that the stones of the pyramid are only normal more than 1,000,000.
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And the average height of the limestone is half a ton to two and a half tons.
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So the base of the pyramid is 20 feet high carved into solid saloni.
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Yes. And then
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the other rocks were placed on top of it.
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No. I ram I I want to come to when you told me about this, capstone because we did not complete the capstone.
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Right. But let’s let’s start off with this, though. The base is 20 feet ai, and then there were the estimation was 2,300,000, but you think it’s far less than that
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based because of the new discovery that we found that the base is made of the Sordruk.
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So before they thought the base was individual stones? Yes. Okay. So now that you know that the base is solid rock, that removes 1,300,000 stones that were necessary. Yes. Got it. So they carved this base knowing they were gonna put a pyramid on top of it. And what about the subterranean chambers?
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Every king in Egypt is buried underneath Seperenm. Everything except Khufu and his father, Sneferu. The only two kings, they are not buried underneath is Khufu and his father. If you look at the one chamber underneath, it was cut and built. If you go down, it’s left unfinished.
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Left unfinished in what way?
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It was planned to cut it, but they did not complete it. You can see when you go down that the two the burial chamber is not finished. Why? Why? Because I found out in our research, every king gets Horus on Earth. When the king die, he become the sun god. Okay? Okay. Khufu, in year five, he said, I am the sun god.
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And he abandoned the construction of the first burial chamber, and he built his chamber within the pyramid because he’s the god.
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And that’s the queen’s chamber. Correct? No. The first one.
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I’m going Ai going to come to this chambers later. And the second evidence that he called his pyramid means the horizon of Khufu. And the only one in the horizon is the sana god. And the third evidence is something that only occurred at Giza, the Sphinx and Istanbul. I found that the Sphinx represent Kefrin, the son of Khufu, giving offering with his two paws to his father
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Okay.
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The sun god Khufu, who ai and sits in this temple, the first sun temple. Mhmm. And this why Khufu’s Pyramid is unique among the 120 pyramids, and I will tell you what I discovered inside the pyramid now.
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Okay.
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Now before I tell you about what I discovered, I have to complete the scene that I told you that I found welcoming ram capstone. You meh? You asked me that. We stopped doing that. Mhmm. Above the capstone, there is hieroglyphic word called ai, and jaim means white and yellow gold.
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A second scene Ai found ladies dancing, and they call them the and the are the dance troupe of the king. My interpretation of these two scenes. When the pyramid was finished, the king asked the meh to put the capstone in the top of the pyramid. Mhmm. When they put the capstone in the top of the pyramid, cased with gold, the whole country dance and sing because the king became a god.
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That’s what they call the national project of the whole nation. The three millions who lived in Egypt in the time of the whole kingdom, all of them participated in building the pyramid to make the king as a god.
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This is your theory?
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Not a theory. No? It’s it’s fact. It is a fact. The pyramid was the national project. Would no.
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That’s not what I mean. I mean, it’s your theory that the the capstone was put on sana
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It’s not a theory. It’s it’s based on evidence. I found the scenes. The bapari. No. The the c the bapari is in something else. What are the world’s scene? It’s blocks. Blocks? Limestone blocks. One scene, where come and ai a capstone with the word ai.
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Is this written in limestone blocks? Is that what you’re saying?
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That’s no. It show the work come and dragging a stone.
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Shows it
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where? In the stone that they discovered.
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So it’s carved into the saloni.
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Exactly. And the word ai in hieroglyphic above that.
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Where is that at?
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It’s an abossere. I found it.
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But is are there photographs online?
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Yes. In my book, I don’t Boy. I I do I don’t go online. Why I have to go online? I go to my book.
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Oh, no. I understand. But for everybody else that ai have immediate access to your book.
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Did you ai them online? It’s called the Abusir sai. Abusir, A, B As In Boy How
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do you think they got the stones from the King’s Chamber ai Hundred miles away and put them a 20 feet up in the up in the ceiling?
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It’s I told you, if you come today and see how the workmen move 20 tons of granite, you’ll understand. Workers today. Yes. Today, like yesterday. Right. The same workmen. Okay.
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Right. But No.
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No. No. No. No. This is different time. Correct?
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Like, if they’re doing it today, they have access to modern machines.
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If you don’t no.
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They don’t?
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No. It’s everything based on the idea of the national project. They want to make this for the king. I understand the national project. What I don’t understand
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is the physics involved in moving 80 ton blocks ai miles through the mountain.
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If you don’t believe on this.
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I’m not it’s not that I don’t believe.
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I sana to know inside this block. Inside Hold on. Hold on. It’s not
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that I don’t believe. I want you to explain to me how you think they did it.
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I explained to you
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From 500 miles away From ram 50 to 80 ton blocks.
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The this comes through the Nile. You can bring all the stones.
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Right. But the quarries are in the mountains. Right?
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No. The quarries the granite quarries in Aswan, and we have cutting of the obelisks and cutting of the stones Right. And cut of everything in the site. And they brought and when the flood comes in July, they bring boats through the flood. They bring us out of the stones to get the plateau.
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They plan things for the floods, and then they would figure out some sort of a raft system to get them on and then move them that way.
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Now if we now do not believe that this cannot be moved by human being, okay, but on the other side, what I can tell you, inside above these blocks, written the names of the gangs who built the pyramid above the king’s chamber. One of the names, friend is of Khufu. I did a three d few months ago, and we recorded in the five chambers that has this huge blocks.
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We found two more names of the gangs. One name called those who are connected with the greatest warjant And written year thirteen of Kofo’s reign on the third chamber, I took mister Beast with me two months ago. I took him, and I showed him how these blocks, they were written by the workmen before they move these stones. Mhmm.
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And in in the fourth room, we have the good gut, another name, was year thirteen of Khufu’s reign. This is when they moved the stones.
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So I understand what you’re saying. So you’re saying that they took these stones, they waited for the flood season, they got these stones on rafts, they moved them down the river, they got them to the site. How did they get them a 20 feet in the air?
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You know, again, this is the most important thing. This is the national project.
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Oh, I understand.
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That was very valid to them.
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I just wondered what technology was
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used. No technology.
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Well, technology is tools. Technology is levers. Technology the technology that Whatever they had at the time was
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their current knowledge. The huge wooden stitches. Huge wooden sledges. This is the only way that today we move huge stones. This how my meh moved 20 tons sarcophagus in a tomb.
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How far did they move it?
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They moved it such few feet away. Mhmm. But we have scenes of how workmen move 60 ai statue, how they move with the religious
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Right.
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And they draw it.
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Yeah. I’ve seen those scenes.
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Yeah. Then we have all this type of scene that the Egyptian shah that. Again, this is the national project.
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Do you think they wet the ground? Like, what did do you think that they did something like that to make the ground more slick sai they
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can pull it? Yes.
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Do that? Yeah. Yes. And then, do they are they using sleds? Like, how do
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they use Sledges. Bryden slidges.
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And then you just We have this in slowly but surely pulled it into position.
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We have this in the tombs. It’s wooden slidges. Yeah. But let me take you now to what I began to reveal the secret of Kufu Barabat.
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Okay.
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As I told you again, I always listen to what people say, and I try to prove them if they’re right or not. I was interested in the Great Pyramid most of my life because I was an inspector of the pyramid, director of I I spent both of my life there. Then I closed this pyramid for a year to stop humidity.
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To stop humidity? Because every person All the breathing?
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In exactly. In there, inside the pyramid gives about 20 gram of water.
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Ah.
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And this water becomes salt. Then mechanically, I removed the salt. They shah to clean the walls. Exactly. And after that, I thought, how can I make a ventilation system of the pyramid? In the king chamber and the queen chamber, you have this tunnel. Mhmm. 20 by 20 centimeter only. Small tunnel. Right. Then I thought I should clean these tunnels, then I can make a ventilation system.
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I had no idea of what I’m going to find out.
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What’d you find out?
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Then I hired a German robot, and we took the German robot to the King’s chamber. We are sitting in the king’s chamber with a TV screen, and the robot entered in the shaft. We found out that the interior of the pyramid, the stones were interplucked. And this ai when the Arabs came to Egypt and they said meh first ai, and time first pyramids. Then we found out that this shaft went ai.
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Then we put a fan here, and the fan suck the air and push it in the tunnel, and we made a ventilation system in the barrel.
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So this discovery of these stones, what was unusual about the way they were placed? What stones? They interlocked?
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Interblocked. Interblocked? Yes. Ai this.
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Mean by that? Oh, like fingers. Okay. So there’s, like, different levels, and they all slid in together?
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They they they how they put the stones with each other.
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Okay.
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But now the most important, then I took the robot to the saloni chamber. Now we know that the tunnel in the fridge chamber are open outside. Open outside.
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But
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I see ai we have these tunnels in the second chamber. They call it wrongly a query chamber. Right. Then we took the robot to the north and the tunnel of the query chamber. After 60 feet, the the robot stopped because the tunnel was bending to the left, and the German robot could not bend.
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Then we took the robot to the South Tunnel. The robot went for 200 feet, stopped in front of a door with two copper handles. That was the first discovery. Now I began to think, how can I find out what’s behind this door? In 02/2002, I was chosen by the National Geographic as explorer in residence. We’re nine explorers.
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With them, with us was Bill Billard, who found Titanic. Each explorer had a dream. I told them, I need you to design a robot for me. I want to find out what’s behind this door. And they did make a robot and they called it pyramid rover.
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We took the pyramid rover, and the robot went in the South Tunnel, and the robot had a a drilling on his hand. The robot opened one hole, one centimeter, and one millimeter, and sent an optic camera through this hole. We found after 21 centimeter of this door, a second one.
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And the second one has an Iggy shaped like that, as if it’s hiding something. Then after that, we went to the northern tunnel that was bending. We found out it’s bending north and south for 24 feet. And the reason for the bending was to avoid the grand gallery. At 200 feet, the robot stopped in front of a third door with two cover handles in the same distance of this one.
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And these doors are very small. Right?
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Very small. 20 by 20 centimeters. Okay. Now Ai spent most of my life from from 02/2002 until 2024 last year. I found a team from England, and we work it last year for three seasons. Number one, I found out above the king the king chamber, a big void. The ground I’m sorry. Above the the Ram Gallery.
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Right.
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This void, the size of two trucks. Now the second void behind the Northern tunnel, another small void. Inside this void, we can see hieroglyphic inscriptions. Really?
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So those are the only hieroglyphics on the pyramid. Right?
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And you and I can show you the footage in my if Do
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you have the footage here?
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If you can come to my lecture
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Oh, come on. In Austin? What about right here? Right now?
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I can send it to you.
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Do where do you have it? Do you have it on you?
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In my computer. Where’s your computer? In, Las Vegas.
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Oh, well, fuck.
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But I can send it to you.
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Before Yeah. But I wanna show it on the show.
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Show it in the show. I can send it to
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you tomorrow. Okay. You can send it tomorrow?
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Yes.
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Okay. We’ll splice it in, folks.
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Then tomorrow, I will send it to you. Please do.
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Okay.
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Now give
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me my email. Now. Give me Jamie’s email.
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Yeah. Give me but you should currently, are you can you kindly introduce me here in Houston?
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Excuse me? Can I introduce you in Houston? No. I cannot. Why? Because I’m very busy.
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Okay. Fine. If you if
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I had known in advance, I could Fine. Fine. Fine. I, unfortunately, I don’t have any free time, Sai.
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Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Zahi. Not Zahi. Zahi. The now, mister Hawass. The now, what we are going to do?
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So this is the only pyramid. Can I ask you, though? This this this hieroglyphics inside this chamber that you’ve discovered, this this is the only hieroglyphics in the Great Pyramid. Is that correct?
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No. There is in the five chambers Sai told you.
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Oh, in the other chambers?
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Ai told you in the five chambers. Now we have five names of the Genghis who built the pyramids, and we have these
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These are all recent discoveries? Yes. With within how long? How recent?
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The the this voids as last year, 2024. The hieroglyphic discovery or three months ago.
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So all this is very isn’t that fascinating that you’ve been studying the pyramids for so long and you’re still finding things?
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Listen to me what I’m going to do. What are you gonna do? You’re there as a friend’s friend of mine. His name is Leslie Greif. Leslie is from Hollywood. He did with me many live TV shows, and he did with me chasing mummies. And Leslie now is working to find a network to come.
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We need to do this program live.
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Okay.
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I want to show the whole world what I discovered inside the pyramid that we ai not hiding anything. I want to show them the hieroglyphic.
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Why why do you always feel like you’re in battle with people?
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Because this because they attack me. Go go to them. Go go then. I’m not in a battle with people. They are in a battle with me.
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I understand that. I understand that. But I’m giving you an opportunity to just lay things out. You don’t have to argue with people that aren’t here. You ai, fuck those people.
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And not argue. I’m not telling the people.
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I just I’m just fascinated by the discovery itself. Okay.
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Then now
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What does it look ai? These hieroglyphs. Did you I know you can read hieroglyphs.
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Right? That ai.
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You can read that stuff.
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Right? But we can the signs are not clear.
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It’s not clear?
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No. We need to do more investigation in September.
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Is it a difficulty in seeing inside there?
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Because You know, because dark. When the Egyptian write inside the five chambers, for example, they don’t write hieroglyphic. They write a cursive hieroglyphic. Wow. It’s called ai. Oh. And this hieratic jaw, it’s very difficult to read from outside.
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What does that look like?
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It’s cursive of the hieroglyphic.
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Let me see what that looks like, Ai. That’s fascinating.
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That’s No. This is hieroglyphic.
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This is hieroglyphic. That’s hieroglyphic.
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We need to talk about hieratic. On the
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right hand side, it says hieratic.
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Exactly. Look at the one in the ai, this hieratic.
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Okay.
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Then it’s very difficult. It’s so beautiful.
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Yeah. What a beautiful language. Like, the way it’s written,
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it looks like art. Then, Joe, what we’re going to do before the end of this year, we are going to show what’s inside the five the this void’s life.
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Can you repeat that up, Jamie? Can these these symbols that look like like make that larger, please. These symbols to the far left that were right below Jamie’s cursor, right there, like, what are those supposed to be?
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They are signs. But what does it mean? Look. This It looks like a device. The one the one down means shah for a a a a determinant of a scribe.
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What is the one that his cursive?
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The the
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This is a stop sign.
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It’s for a scribe.
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A scribe?
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Yeah. What does it mean? Ai. It
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means a scribe. Sish. Okay. Ai Sai understand. So and then the other one on the hieratic, that’s the cursive version of
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the Ai don’t I’m not that expert in hieratic
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Okay.
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Because hieratic is very cursive.
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I understand. But I think this
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But we but
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we showing that. Right?
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I know. But we if you look at the signs in the five chambers that I will send it to you tomorrow Mhmm. It’s very difficult to read. But you can see they are hieratic, cursive signs.
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Got it.
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But the most important that we are going to show this ai.
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Oh, wow. Okay. So people don’t even know, and you’re gonna show all this stuff ai.
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We will do it live. But the the other thing, we have another team called sai pyramids team. They are ai from Japan, France, and Egypt. Mhmm. I am the scientific director who really they if they discover something, they they come to me. I have to discuss it with them. And they found, you know, the the pyramid. Yeah. You have the entrance that the people use now is the entrance that the Arabs opened. That’s in the north face.
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Correct? Exactly. Above that is a mini chamber. Okay. The ships the the team are using a very sophisticated techniques ai ultrasound, infrared.
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With these techniques, you do not need anymore to drill. You can really see what’s behind the door, and this really what I’m using right now. Then they came to me and they said ai the main entrance of the pyramid, there is a corridor. And they showed to me this corridor clear in the five techniques that they’re using. But they’re told ai I have to see it. Let’s go up there.
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We went up there, and they sent an an optic camera through the the stones. And they found I could look at the corridor, 30 feet long, eight feet wide, topped with chevron shape. I think you can see that in the Internet, the corridor behind the main entrance of the pyramid. Can you get it? It’s in the Internet, I’m sure.
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This void above the Ram Gallery?
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The size of two trucks. What do
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you think that is?
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I have no idea. I’m just telling you what I found.
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And, have
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This was a great pyramid. I did more work on the third pyramid with the same techniques and the second pyramid. This is the void. Okay. That’s wow. That’s incredible. And I think and bring the other big void above the Ai Gallery. I think you’ll see it also.
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So find the void above the Grand Gallery, Jamie. So this it’s two trucks.
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The size of two trucks.
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Size of two semi trucks. And, do you have an any idea, like, what the inside
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tyler you Ai would tell you about my theory. Please
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do.
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I think that it’s here.
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Sai that’s it. The void? Yeah.
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Now And it’s that shah
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it’s in that direction, so it’s vatsal slope?
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It’s above the Grand Gallery. That’s it. That’s it. Yeah. The Sai Pyramid Project. Now I tell you my theory. Please do. We have a story written in hieroglyphic, but not at the time of Khufu. It’s after Khufu. The story, it’s written in a papyri. It’s called Khufu and the magician.
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It sai that Khufu was staying in his palace, and he was very upset. He was not happy. And his son came to him. Your majesty, why are you unhappy? He said, I’m searching for the secret of the ghatuth, the god of wisdom, then I can design my burial chamber in the pyramid.
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Then his son told him, I know a magician. His name is Jidi. He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back. And he knows the secret of the shah of the God of wisdom.
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He knows how to cut the head of a man off and put it back, but is the guy still alive? Is that what he’s saying?
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No. I’m this this is when the sana Right. Is telling his father
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I understand that.
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That jedi can do that. A lot
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of people can cut a guy’s head off.
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But listen to the story. This is the story. Okay. Then the king told his son, bring this Majestic. To me. Okay. They ai him as 100 years old, that he drink consumption beer. Wow. Jiri came in front of the king. And Khufu told him, I heard that you can cut the head of a man off. He said, yes, your majesty. He said, do it.
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He said, Jiri said, I cannot do it to the human being. He said, okay. I will bring you a prisoner. Jiri said, a prisoner is a human being. Then he tyler he brought him a goose. He took the head of the goose up in front of everyone.
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And the head came back, and the goose was running in front of everyone. That’s written in the story. Then Do you
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believe that?
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Well, I come back to what’s believed that now. Okay. And the king told him, I want to know the secrets of the god to design my burial chamber. He told him that the this secret will not be in your hand. It will be in the hand of another people who rule Egypt. Kufu was very upset.
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So he wouldn’t give him the secret because that secret won’t just be in your hands. It’ll get into other people’s hands.
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Then the king dangerous. The king was unhappy. He told them, don’t worry, your majesty, because you will rule and your sons and your grandson. Now about magic. Yeah. Do you believe in religion or not? Yeah. Okay. Do you know about Judaism? Sure. A little bit. When God told Moses?
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When Moses meh God and God told them to go to Egypt to meet the pharaoh Right. And God told them, meh, the pharaohs are highly in magic. Right. They will beat you. Then God taught Moses how to be more in magic than the pharaoh.
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And you remember, when he heard the stick and the stick became a snake, I think, and and the and Moses brought more snakes to to to swollen what the pharaoh did, then we know from books, from Judaism from the beginning that the ancient Egyptian were really highly in meh, then we can believe
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Do you think that that magic might have had something to do with how they constructed the pyramids? No? No. You don’t but but if you believe that they had enough magic to take a goose’s head and put it back on, it’s still alive. That’s magic. Yeah. Wouldn’t they use that magic for other things?
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But we have But if you
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believe in magic I do. Of course. You do. You do believe in magic. Yeah. So you believe that someone could take someone’s head off, put it back on?
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It’s written.
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Okay. Then it must be true. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. What is this? Someone’s gonna kill a dove?
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It’s a magic trick. It can decapitate birds and stuff. Oh, okay. Back together. I was just reading it. Apparently, in the trick that he did it, he put the head on the other side of the room and and made them come back together. He did it to a calf and a different animal also.
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But
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Now, what really I want
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to tell you now Well, that person’s magic too.
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Maybe that person can make us speak What what I want to show you that I’m not a person.
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What do you think magic is?
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Magic is magic. What do you mean magic is?
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Well, how does it work?
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I have no idea. What do you mean by how it works?
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Well, I mean, how does someone do something like that?
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I have no idea.
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We have to go back. Physically and
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die a lot of times. We have to go back, Anu, to five four thousand six hundred years ago.
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And do you think a lot of this information is what was lost in the burning of the Ai of Alexandria?
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Yeah. Of course. Because this is
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some of it, but they keep unbelievably detailed version.
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Also, you know, because Ai will tell you why we do not have any evidence about Khufu, temples, and things like that. Mhmm. Because what happened, the ancient Egyptian believe that a pharaoh should be a male. A pharaoh cannot be a female. Anyone who changed the religious belief, they hate him.
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Hatshepsut, when she became a pharaoh, they hated her, and they destroyed her monuments. Khufu, when he changed his cult to be a sun god, in the first intermediate period, they destroyed his monuments, the temples, the statues. The only statute of that king was found in Upper Egypt, not at Giza. Even in the temple of his sons, there were 23 statues. They smashed the statues.
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Smashing was a sign of revenge. Now do you have any question about Kofo Pyramid before I switch to the Sphinx?
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Well, I’m I’m fascinated by a lot of aspects of Khufu’s pyramid. Well, one of the big ones that’s come up very recently that I’m sure you’re aware of is, these satellite radar. Was it called tomograph what is it called? Tomographic? Where they think that there’s these pillars underneath the structure.
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Okay. I investigated this. First of all, these two scholars from Italy
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Mhmm.
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They have never been in Egypt. They have never worked it in the pyramids before.
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Right. And They’re using satellite information.
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Number two, they published their article in a journal.
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Mhmm.
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This journal do not send their article to the freeze. You pay a fee to publish the article in your responsibility. Okay. Number three, I am not a scientist. I took these techniques that they used, and Ai give it to expertise. And they sai, these techniques cannot show underneath a solid rock of almost 600 feet down.
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No way.
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How why can’t they?
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They said this degree cannot show that.
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But these scientists are saying they can. Do do you know about the OSIRIS shah, how they’ve got a a I
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just covered it.
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Yeah. You did. Right?
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Meh.
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But you know that they use this tomographic
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No. No. No. I am the one who found it.
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This No. Ai understand you found it. But they also discovered it. They showed that it exists using the same technique.
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No. No. This is wrong. This is not true at all. Ai can tell you how I found that.
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I’ll tell you.
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How can I find that? I’m not
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saying that you didn’t find it. It it’s, under the paper signature aperture radar Doppler tomography by Filippo Bondi. And if you scroll down, Jamie, you’ll see an image and this image is, of the Ai Shaft which shows that they got, an accurate depiction of that from speak.
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That’s not true.
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From satellite it’s not true. No. So what are you saying that they’re lying? They’re lying. They’re completely lying. But if they’re showing using these techniques, things that we know that you discovered that absolutely exist.
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Now they these techniques, as I told you Mhmm. Ai said that these techniques cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid. The auxiliary shaft that they found was only 50 feet.
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Right.
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Under the ground.
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Showing at least for 50 feet that this is accurate. What makes you believe those scientists rather than these guys from Italy? Because these
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that’s because the scientists are scientists. Well, these are scientists as well. They are they are not showing their techniques carefully. They have not.
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What do you mean they’re not showing their techniques carefully?
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Take the techniques that they said and show it to any scientist. No one no one can tell you this is accurate. I Ai ask it every every person who knows about radar, ultrasound, all the people work with me. The the sai pyramid project, they said this is bullshit. It cannot happen at all. Now tell meh.
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I’m gonna telling me that these scientists that are proclaiming the capabilities of these satellite tomography devices that are saying that they can see kilometers into the ground with this stuff.
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That’s not true. I did Are you sure?
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I did Do you understand the technology?
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No. I not not meh,
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but I just ai
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to other people. Ai who are in this field.
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Have you talked to these scientists that are saying that they
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ai these discoveries? I sent I made a press release. But did you talk to They did I did not. I Why not? I because they did not talk to me. How can I find them? I made Would
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you be willing to talk to them? Of course. Ai am. Connect you to them? Yes. Go. I’ll connect you to them. I’m just interested if new technology becomes available and they figure out a way to look into the ground and you discover things, especially if they discover the Ai Shaft and it turns to actually They
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did not discover the OSIRIS shaft again.
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You discovered it, but they used their technology to show an accurate depiction of the interior of the Osiris Shaft.
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That was Joe, that was that the Osiris Shaft is
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Is that
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true? No. It’s not. The the Osiris
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Shaft images that we showed.
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The Osiris the Osiris Shaft is known to everyone.
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Right. It
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can be seen by When
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they turn their equipment on the Osiris Shaft, it shows the actual interior. Maybe. I don’t know.
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But this is 50 feet. Look at it again. And they took over 600 feet.
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I understand. But if it can go 50 feet, why can’t it
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go 600 feet? Ai am at again Do you know? Again, Ai not a scientist.
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Right. So why are you
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dismissing it, though? I gave what they published ai a sai, and they said that’s that’s not true. Okay. But the scientists
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are wrong all the ai, particularly ones that are biased. Correct?
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What I did, I made a press release
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Okay.
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Explaining my point. Yes. And I said, my work of the second meh, that the base of the pyramid is 28 feet of soled rock. Right. And there is no way that anything can be happened in the solid rock. And I explained
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I think what they’re
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saying is it’s underneath the
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solid rock.
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Correct? Let me finish. And I said, your techniques that you published in this magazine Mhmm. Is not refreed by scientists. You just published it. And number three, the team that working in Giza with all these new techniques, they said this is wrong. They’ll and I and they know
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team that’s working in Giza with all these techniques. What do you mean?
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We have the sai pyramid team.
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Right. They’re working But you understand this is different technology.
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I understand, but they know about this technology.
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But have they used this technology?
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They said this technology cannot work, cannot show 600 feet under the pyramid at all. This what they said. And this ai if the Italians were confident, they could contact meh. Okay. And the and the pyramid expert that anyone should Well, we’ll
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make sure that happens. But listen, if the the stone is 20 feet thick, the solid stone at the base, that’s correct. Right? And you said Ai shaft is 50 feet. That means it could see past 20 feet. Right?
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But how can I
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could see through the stone and see I mean, what they’re showing
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But the Osiris Shaft the Osiris Shaft is The Osiris Shaft is open? Right. It’s not covered to see.
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I understand.
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You can go and you see the Azeri shaft down. Right. Everyone can see it, but
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The interior is not open, and the interior is
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But you can see the interior.
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But you can’t see it to the exact dimensions the way these tomographic images shah. Right? Uh-huh. If they’re using this technology to go 50 feet ai the ground
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to get back through the picture ram do
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this Irish show.
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I am not a scientist.
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I understand.
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Ai but
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this is ai question.
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All the two ai
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why would you dismiss it if you haven’t looked under there?
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I because I I do I told you. It is not me who can dismiss this.
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What does it say, Jeremy?
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This is the link to the to arya the original article, I believe, if there’s their names. The very first sentence says that due to the penetrating action of electromagnetic waves inside solid bodies, the capability to observe these distributed targets is precluded. And then they had to come up with an experimental Sai experimental results are estimated by processing the SAR images into something else.
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And so I think that’s the disconnect I’m hearing.
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Yeah. I I I don’t understand the technology, but my question is, we know how spectacular the pyramids are. We know how spectacular just the base of it, the fact that it’s carved into solid rock. Why would you not think that maybe other spectacular things exist even more?
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I told you, I am not this type knows about the science. I consulted the team. Mhmm. The top in the world from Japan, France, and Egypt. Who are these people? They are the ScanPyramid team.
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What’s okay. The ScanPyramid Yeah. The ones that found the
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Exactly.
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The chamber above.
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And they are working with meh. And we found many other things in the second pyramid and the third pyramid. And and we we published this. I just we just published an article vatsal week. Using different Then what I am saying, if these techniques that these two Italians are correct, the only people who really can tell you it’s correct or not are the sai pyramid people, not me.
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But the scan pyramid people, aren’t they using different technology?
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But they know about technology. They are the top ai in the world. Mhmm. I have to believe them, not the two Italians. Yeah. And if the Italians are really correct, they could come to talk to us, not me Well to talk to me and others.
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I will definitely try to connect you with those people because I know that Graham Hancock and Brian Meh have been in contact with those people. And, they’re they’re open minded about it. They don’t know what’s going on down there, but they these images are repeated over and over and over again.
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Fine. But they Fascinating
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either way. Okay. The the whole the the one of the fascinating things about Egypt to me is the fact that it’s not just so much more advanced in terms of construction than anywhere else in the world, but that it’s it it’s still to this sai. Like, not nothing even close has ever been even attempted to this day.
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What do you think was going on back then as far as their capabilities and their understanding that led them to do something so spectacular that other people four thousand five hundred years ago
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gain the belief of the afterlife built Egypt.
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Right. But they also had to have the understanding of engineering and construction and design.
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To do this belief of the afterlife Mhmm. To build the pyramid, as I told you, this was the national project of No.
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I understand it’s a national project, but they have to acknowledge
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it. Talk about this pyramid if it exists alone. When you come to Egypt and you go through time, you will see that everything gradually. Mhmm. There is no gap that you can What do you mean by that? There is no gap for anyone to think something different than the belief of the Egyptians.
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Ai I
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don’t think anybody’s saying that.
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Oh, yes.
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Or maybe some people are. Maybe some people do. But, I mean, it’s all the Egyptians. Obviously, it was in Egypt. I mean, it’s the Egyptians that made it. Yes. It’s pretty obvious. That that just seems obvious.
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Then if you believe it, then I’m happy I’m happy to hear this from you.
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Well, I just think whenever people say it’s aliens or, like, where’s the proof of that? Exactly. Also, they built a lot of spectacular things. Like, no if, ands, or buts. Just just the statues. Just the faces of the pharaohs with incredible symmetry.
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That’s why I want really I want since you are interested in Egypt, I we would like to invite you to come to Egypt.
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I wanna come. I just it’s for me,
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it’s just something very good. Ai you. I will to go. Okay. Tell me tell me when. Okay. And I will arrange everything for
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you. Okay. We’ll hook it up.
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But now Ai want to come to the Sphinx also.
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Okay.
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Can we talk about the Sphinx?
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Meh, please.
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Now, you know, when I was young, I was met by the Edgar Cayce. Ah. Son.
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The psychic guy.
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Kehoe and Kehoe. Yeah. And Kehoe and Kehoe was the son of Edgar Cayce. I was young. I really do not know what’s this case he had. When they when he came to Egypt and talked about me about his father, You know about Edgar Cayce. Yeah. Okay.
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Then it’s He had a vision that there was a the chamber underneath the sphinx’s palm.
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Underneath the ai pole of the sphinx, there is a chamber.
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And he he envisioned that. Correct? Yes.
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And this ai I’m going to Virginia Beach to give a talk. One of the cities in my tour now is Virginia Beach. Why? Because when people began to tell me there is something inside the Sphinx, I really as I told you, I have an open ai, and I did search. I found inside the Sphinx four tunnels. One behind the stele. They call it dream tyler between the two poles of the Sphinx.
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And the second one behind the head in the top
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Right. There’s a there’s actually a door in the top of
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the head. No. No. No. Just There’s a lid. Just a tunnel.
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A tunnel.
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25 feet. Closed off, though? No. Yeah. It’s closed. Yeah. Yeah.
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There’s like a door on the top of it. Right?
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It’s not a door. No. A lid? It’s just a a tunnel. Go down. But it’s closed off. We we it’s you cannot go up to the sphinx. That’s why we have to cover it because it will take rubbish and garbage.
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Well, that’s the top. That’s what I’m talking about. Isn’t that the top of it? Is this a sphinx?
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Yes. That’s it.
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Okay. That’s a lid. Right?
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Yeah. That’s what I said. We
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covered it. Okay. Yeah.
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But we covered it Got it. To protect it from the sun.
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Sai understand.
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But it’s not a door.
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Okay.
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It’s a lid. The third tunnel that I found in the back.
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Now Edgar Cayce, he had this vision that there was some hall of information.
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I understand. But I’m go I’m going to come to this now.
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Yeah.
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But I’m talking to you about the tunnels now. And the third one is in the tail. The fourth one was opened in 1927 by a French. His name is Michoud Berez, and I do have photos of meh inside the things. We found these four tunnels are published. An arya, scientific article. I found in situ in all the four tunnels of pottery in situ to prove that these tunnels were opened on dynasty ’20 ‘5 ‘5 hundred BC as in the late period, when the Egyptian saw the Sphinx, they thought there is something hidden underneath, and they dug, and they found nothing.
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Now we come to the Edgar Cayce and what people believe because we had John Anthony West, and we had, many new age people whose believe there is something hidden underneath the things. And they used to tell me, we need per your permission. To what? To drill. I said, how can I let someone who’s not an archaeologist, who’s not a scientist to drill? No way.
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But recently, I found out the rise of the water table in front of the Sphinx, and I was really afraid that the water could damage the Sphinx. Then I brought a team from Cairo University, and we did drill 30 to 35 feet underneath the Sphinx everywhere. And I do have photos of everywhere under the Sphinx.
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Okay. The Sphinx is a solid rock or a living rock, and there is nothing underneath.
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So there’s no tunnels?
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No tunnels. This is exactly.
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Okay. I
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told you what I
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What do you think about Robert Shah and his theory about the temple and the erosion outside of the Sphinx that it’s water erosion?
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When Schoch said that, okay, we brought through the American Research Center
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Mhmm.
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A scientist from Louisville University. I don’t remember his name now. And we gave him what Robert Shah. You know what Robert Shook said? It’s not his theory. It’s a theory of a new age guy who talked about this before, and John Anton West brought Shoa. I don’t remember. Yeah.
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Then we gave we gave this guy from Louisville University. He was an Indian American who really studied he came to the Sphinx, and he worked it with us for a season. Mhmm. And he came, and we published many articles that the erosion that you see outside and inside the Sphinx is from wind and not from water.
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Now what Shah want to say that this is dated back 15,000 years ago. I agree. Okay. If I came here and I dug the Sphinx, I will leave something. Then what I did, we dug an area Northeast of the Sphinx. I found level, Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, Ram. Nothing underneath.
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Then this new age, people sai that the head of the sphinx is very small comparing to the body. Right. Yes. Why? Why?
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If you take all the casing stones away from the sphinx, you’ll find exactly here, the sphinx. And now this and another part like this. In between, there is a hollow. Remember, I told you that Giza Plateau is divided to three levels.
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Mhmm.
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Level one and two is very bad stones. Can be seen to that chest of the Sphinx. Right. Level three, they carved the head from level three. Then when the Egyptian carved the head to represent the king Kefiran with the cobra. Mhmm. The royal head, Ram. They began to make a a a a lion body.
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Then what they did, they filled this hollow between the two sphinx pieces with stones. And they covered the whole body of the sphinx with stones. And they did the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones. And this is why the head is very small comparing to the body.
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Think the head was made first and then the body was made later.
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Exactly.
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If that’s the case, why is the body so much more eroded than the head?
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Told you the body, it is a part of the bad souls. Bad stones.
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They the
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top one is the head.
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Stones. Exactly.
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So for the
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a different density to the stones. That’s why the stone and the the sphinx’s head is intact
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in the body. It’s level it’s level it’s level three.
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So it’s a different kind of stone.
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Exactly. Got it. Of the body. And this why Because
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there’s layers to it all. The Egyptian. Some of the layers are
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more dense. The Egyptian wanted to make a lion body. They couldn’t. The only way is to cover the body of stones and do the modeling of the lion body on the covering stones. Can we take two minutes rest?
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Yeah. Sure. You wanna take a break?
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Yes. To go to this Okay. Bathroom.
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Okay. Go to the bathroom. You know where it is? Yes. Just go ai, take a left. We’re back. The Sphinx. Let’s pick up where we left off. So you were saying that these, other experts that looked at it didn’t agree that it was water erosion and said that they think that it was wind.
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So what what John Anthony West and what Graham Hancock and what Robert Chalk and all these different people are trying to allude to is that perhaps there was even older stuff that was in Egypt and that the things that you’re seeing that are 2,500 BC, those are even more recent than the older stuff.
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Tell me about ZepTepi. What’s ZepTepi? What’s this? You’d never heard about have you heard about the like, you know about the King’s List. Right?
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The old King’s List that goes back 30,000 whatever years?
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Who said that?
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You never seen it in it’s not in hieroglyphs?
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This is not true.
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Is that true?
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No. No? This is speak speculation from people who knows nothing about history. There is nothing King List dated back 30,000 years ago at all. So why ai
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people keep saying that?
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Because they don’t know. Speculation. Give me one evidence of that. The only Okay. The first the first king list dated back to dynasty five only.
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I was reading that people were saying that it was meh, that the the king’s list, even though there is, like, some hieroglyphics of ancient kings, that these are just mythical tyler.
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This is not true. There is no at all a name that you told me. I never heard of this name. I am an Egyptologist working in Egypt for the last fifty seven years. I never heard of this king list at all. Never? Never. Ai You
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never even heard of it?
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Ai I have to hear about it? Because it’s not true. I don’t want to make miss ai time in things like this. I am a person. Give me a fact. So in the Egyptian,
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Zebtepe refers to the first time or the first occasion.
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Who’s in the first?
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This isn’t AI. It refers to a mythical golden age of Egypt where gods lived on earth and civilization was in its infancy. This period is often associated with the beginning of creation and the establishment of societal structures. Have you you’ve never heard of that before?
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No. And this is not true.
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What do you mean it’s not true? I mean, this is I’m I’m getting this off
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of It never happened at all.
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I’m not saying it happened. I’m just saying this is something that’s referred to.
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It’s never be I never heard about it. It is not true. It does not exist at all.
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Even if it doesn’t exist, the myth of it exists.
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Listen, Joe. Why do I have to go to a myth of people to create stories?
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If you go to Wikipedia
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I don’t care about Wikipedia.
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I understand.
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I care about what I see in my eyes as an archaeologist or a neurologist.
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In all the myths any The world was said to emerge from an infinite ai less sea when the sea when the sun rose for the first time in a distant period known as Meh Tepi, the first occasion. Different myths attributed to the creation of different gods, the set of eight primordial deities called Ogdod, the contemplative deity, Ptah, and the mysterious transcendent god Amun.
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While describing these different cosmologies completed or competed to some extent in other ways, they were meh in different aspects of Egyptian understanding of creation. It’s Egyptian creation myth.
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Fine.
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You’ve never heard of that before?
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Ai heard of that before.
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That seems strange that you didn’t hear about that
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before. Listen. Listen, John.
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I’ve heard of it before.
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Ai. You can hear about it.
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Sai mean, I just found it online.
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It’s a new age theory. It’s new age? Yes. Listen to me. I know. And any Egyptologist Uh-huh. Who study Egyptology in The States here. You have universities in UCLA, and you have Berkeley, and you have, Johns Hopkins, and you have every. There is no every Egyptologist here study languages and archaeology. Mhmm.
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No one can answer what you are talking about. This is hallucination. I’m sorry. This is not true. It’s a speculation from people, but never in Egypt.
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We know the prehistory of Egypt. We know the predynastic of Egypt. We know the beginning of civilization. We know every there is no gap in anything that can meh some things like that. And this is why I never heard of it, and I don’t want to hear about it.
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You don’t wanna hear about it?
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No. Why? Because there is no evidence. I am a a scientist. Ai believe on what’s written in front of me, and I believe of a scene that I can sai, but I don’t believe on theories like this. Tell me where is this found and where it is and who published it? What is the scientist who published it? What is the Egyptologist who talked about it?
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I’d like to know. That’s why I’m asking you.
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I’ve never heard of it.
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Well, I’m shocked that you haven’t at least heard of it and dismissed it before. I I I did. Because it’s just a it’s I think it’s a part of, the creation myth.
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I I know, but it’s not true. I received many theories every day. My mind, Joe, now is really cannot stand all these theories, all of it. It’s too much for me. It’s too much for me.
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Got it. See if you can find anything on that, Jamie, where where that myth came from. I’m
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working on it. I think I know.
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Yeah? Yep. Is it a Buval thing? No. What I
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just found is that it came from a
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Who is Buval? Ai. Buval is not a scientist.
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No. I’m just
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Yeah. I know. I assume those people, Saloni, when someone came to you with a theory
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Mhmm.
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He has to have a a Egyptology background. He has to write a a scientific article. We write all what we discover. We write articles about them for people to read and criticize and give us opinion. But I can go to theories like this Sai understand. That has no basis.
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Ai do you base the dates on? Do you base it on carbon isotope?
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No. We don’t. We based dating on the evidence that we discover.
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Right. But Like, Sai don’t is based on carbon. Right?
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No. Carbon Ai don’t believe in carbon date 14 at all. You don’t? No. Why not? Carbon date 14 never give an accurate dating. And this ai I believe you know, when you discover something, if you discover a cemetery
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Right.
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There is two type of datings. One called absolute dating means that in this cemetery, you have a name of a king and a date. Meh this is absolute. But if you discover another cemetery and has no dates, then the best thing that we do is to find the artifacts in this cemetery and ai to compare it with other dated symmetry, and you give a date for this.
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But you don’t believe in
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carbon dioxide? In carbon.14 at all. And it’s not working in Egypt until today. I have been excavate I’m excavating also in the Valley Of The Kings. Right. Ai I discovered major important things that we can talk about it.
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So if you’re going back to
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the ai five years Ai used radar
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Ai?
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In all my excavation. What do you mean? Ai I never had a a result by radar. And carbon date 14, I we people use it when there is no date. But
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Wait a minute. You use radar to to date things? How?
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No. I use radar to discover things.
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Right. But what do you use to date them?
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Ai dated, as I told you, two methods of dating. Yeah. Most of the dating that ram me now in in Luxor Mhmm. Is based on evidence. Like Sai discovered the Bryden City. It’s a major big, large cemetery, large settlement, a city. And, you know, this city was chosen the most important discovery in the world of year 2021 because this is the first time that we have a big, large city to tell us about the people who made this civilization.
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So how do you know how old the city is?
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Exactly. In the city, we discovered the names everywhere of king Amenhotep the third, who was the father of Akhenaten. Inside the city, we found many statutes of his queen, Queen Tiye. We found inscriptions about dried meh stored to celebrate the third sai festival of Amenhotep the third.
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We found nine royal workshops in the city. Then the city tells us about the golden age of that king. It is dated by pottery, by hieroglyphic inscription, by many things.
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But I’m I’m curious as to why you’re skeptical about carbon dating because I think carbon dating is generally accepted as being accurate
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within a certain framework. But I but I never used it. And many people very rare to use it in Egypt because in Egypt, mainly, we have absolute chronology. We have absolute dating based on inscriptions. Right.
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But I thought it was used in Egypt, like, to to measure wood that was in mortar to date the Great Pyramid to February.
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No. That was that was an experiment. Today’s the pyramid, I think, was about 02/2009, and it’s it’s not it’s not working. But I Ai didn’t see the result.
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You haven’t seen a result on carbon testing of the mortar of the Great Pyramid?
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No. But the mortar, you can’t. One thing. The mortar between the stones.
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Right.
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This mortar, like, if you take a base of stone from the pyramid and you try to take Kabul Fourteen, this piece of stone could be thousand years in the quarry. It cannot date the pyramid. How can you date
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Hold on. Hold on. You don’t date saloni.
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I’m saying if you date mortar Okay. How can you how can you say accurately that this mortar is dated to the same time of building the pyramid?
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Well, you can actually. That’s the the argument is that there is probably repairs done. Right? And so
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Of the pyramid? Yes. No. Of the great Pyramid. There is no There’s no repairs of any restoration.
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No. Restoration. Nothing?
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Never any accurate evidence that the pyramid was restored Right. But there in any period of the Egyptian history.
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There is restoration that goes on even now though on the Sphinx. Correct?
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I did make ten years of restoration
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Yeah. For
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the Sphinx. It’s me who did the restoration of the Sphinx for ten years. Why did you decide to do that? Because the Sphinx, when I was when I left, I was studying in The States. I came to take my doctorate from the University of Pennsylvania from 1980. From ’80 to ’87, some architect and archaeologists were really stupid. They began to restore the sphinx, and they took all the casing stones of the sphinx out.
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And they put modern stones, and they used cement. You cannot use cement in the restoration. You can use cement in building a house.
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Yeah. That’s not even restoration. That’s not a new creation.
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When I came, I stopped this restoration.
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Okay.
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And few because the this restoration damaged completely the proportions of the sphinx. It brings to you another sphinx.
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Right.
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Ugly. Yeah. Few months later, there was a saloni, was restored in the in the, shoulder of the sphinx, and it fell down. In February, it was raining. And always people use the Sphinx for politics.
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The Sphinx?
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The Sphinx? Yeah. If they were For where? I tell you. It happened the first time in the pharaonic period. You know, the area beside the sphinx was called the Valley Of Gazelles. And the princess of the of the new Kingdom used to come to hunt wild animals in the valley and come towards the sphinx.
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And this story that I’m telling you is written in a granite tyler. It’s called the dream stele, located now between the two poles of the sphinx. In the speak, it say that Thutmose the fourth was a prince. And he came to have a have a to have a nap beside the sphinx. And the sphinx came to him in dream and told him, my son, if you remove the sand away, I will make you the king of Egypt.
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Then here he’s moved the sana, and he came to a temple. He found a door.
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What year was this?
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This is, one three thousand years ago. Exactly.
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So the Sphinx was constructed long before that.
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Before again, the volcano.
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And that it had been covered in sana.
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Yes. Completely. This ai Herodotus, the father of the history, when he came to Egypt in the middle of the fifth century BC, he never talked about the Sikhs because completely under the sand. Then what happened with the force came, he took the sand away. And he found that the old kingdom, Casing Brook’s, are falling down. He put them back.
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And he went to the to the Sphinx near a temple nearby. He took this granite stile as a door, and he wrote this story in it. Mhmm. But we found there is something politics in that story. He killed his elder brother
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Who?
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Who was supposed to be the king of Egypt.
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Uh-oh.
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And he wrote this story to tell the Egyptian that the god, Horim Ai, Horus of the ai, it shows me to be the king of Egypt. Then they will forgive the crime that he did. With that stone, it fell down in 1988. A big fight happened between the head of antiquities and the minister of culture. Indeed, by firing the head of antiquities. It’s politics.
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Mhmm. I see.
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But I stayed meh years. When people ask me about the best thing that I did in my life, I say two things. Number one, that I restore the Sphinx. I brought the proportion of the Sphinx back, and I restored the oldest pyramid in Egypt, the steep pyramid. It was it was falling down.
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In fourteen years, I made major important conservation and restoration. And I tell people, why do Sai have to fight all the time about the age of the pyramid? We have to ai. Oh, we have to cooperate, all of us, to restore this audience. And the most important thing is for me always is conservation.
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And I dedicate most of my life, not only to the excavation, but to conservation.
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What do you think the arguments are that predate the that try to push the date back of the construction of the pyramids.
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I never heard of this.
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You’ve never heard of this before?
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It’s only new it’s theories Right. From the new age.
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But I know Sai saw a debate with you. I saw a debate with you and Graham Hancock,
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and there’s another archaeologist. That was no
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Hold on. Hold on. The other arya archaeologist was saying, if you’re saying that something happened 10,000 years ago, where’s the evidence of any civilization from 10,000 years ago?
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Exactly.
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But then you found Gobekli Tepe. So Gobekli Tepe was buried over 11,000 ago.
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That’s not true. I never heard about this.
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What do you mean it’s not true?
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It’s not true what they told you. What do you
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what is not true?
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It’s never happened. We never discovered this at all.
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Wait a minute. Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey. Okay. Oh,
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in Turkey. Listen.
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Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey
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I under I know.
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I’m a bit more than 11,000 years old.
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Okay. Fine.
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Fine. It’s very complex saloni structures.
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Fine. Fine.
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But this was the evidence We are in hold on. This is the evidence and the argument. The argument was there was no evidence of an ancient civilization from 10,000 plus years ago. This is before the discovery of Gobekli Tepe. Gobekli Tepe gets discovered, known to be more than 11,000 years ago. That changes everything. Because now we know yes. It does.
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That’s because now hold
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on. Because now we know there was an advanced civilization capable of a spectacular construction eleven thousand plus years ago.
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This is what listen. Look at the archaeologists in in in Turkey or in any civilization.
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Okay.
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They they never talk about old civilization.
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That’s not true. Gobekli Tepe is universally accepted ai being more than 11,000 years old.
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I ai talking now about Egypt. I’m not No.
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I understand. But the argument was that there was never any ancient civilization capable of spectacular construction ten thousand years ago.
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That
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Now that they showed Gobekli Tepe is more than 11,000 years old, they know for sure that’s not true.
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Okay. But now I’m talking about the Pyramids Of Egypt. I have the evidence, the written. We found everything about that. We know the dating.
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Mhmm.
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Ai and I give you hundreds of evidence that this pyramid built by Khufu, our Kefir No. I’m I’m
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not saying it wasn’t. I’m not saying it wasn’t. Any What I’m saying is
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Any civilization older than we know Older
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is still in the same spot.
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We have we have no we have no evidence.
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So how does ancient Egypt emerge?
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Emerge? We have
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How does it emerge and go from zero to pyramids?
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Okay. We have do you have can you listen to me? Yeah. We have prehistoric Egypt. Right. And we have the oldest stone age, middle saloni age, Neolithic. When the Egyptian began to know about agriculture, and they began to live together in communities. Then after that, we came to the predynastic.
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When a king called Narmer in dynasty zero, he began to make unification of the Upper And Lower Egypt until one king called the Mina or Horaha who united completely.
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And what year was this?
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This is war was three thousand BC, five thousand years ago. In a place called the Apadis, they built huge mud brick tombs. Huge ram mud brick. No stones.
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Mhmm.
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And these tombs are created in a site called Abydos.
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You know, what’s really fascinating about this is that five hundred years, you think about that, how different just modern civilization was five hundred years ago. Five hundred years ago, we had almost none of the inventions we have today. We had no internal combustion engine, you know, no hardened steel with none of the things that we have. And now look what we have with electronics.
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Now imagine what the Egyptians were able to do in five hundred years on a different in a different way in construction with saloni, that their advancements weren’t like our advancements, but their advancements were equally spectacular just in a different way.
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Okay. Now I come back to the mud brick structure. This is in dynasty one and two. On dynasty three came a king called Zoser. He had a genius architect. His name is Imhotep. I am searching. Did you hear about Imhotep before? Okay. I’m searching for his tomb.
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Only two weeks ago before I came, I made a major important discovery in Egypt. I found a tomb of a son of a king inside incredible statues of Zoser and his father and his queens and his children.
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Where is this tomb?
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In the shadow of the Steppe Rim. Ah. In the shadow of Zoser. And this really made me because I have been searching for the tomb of Imhotep most of my life. But the area that ai found this tomb, it was under houses, modern houses.
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Oh, wow.
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The workmen who work in the site, one hundred years ago, they built houses in the site. But they never excavated what’s underneath the houses. Wow.
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So modern houses underneath his tomb.
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Sai months ago, we gave houses to these people in another arya, and we demolished these houses. And we found underneath major discoveries. This discovery will be in today’s show this week. Mhmm. Now Ai am sure now that Imhotep’s tomb is in this area. Wow.
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Now I can’t What what technology can you use to discover, like, these underground caverns and chambers and
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All what I do is digging. That’s it? That’s it.
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What if these Italian guys are onto something? You can find more stuff.
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I want you to come to see what I do and what I discover.
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I want I want to. I want to Italians too.
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And what I discover, I can show to you.
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Please do. Jamie, Zep Tepi, did you find anything about that? About that? Where the origins of that?
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Maybe a book from 1960, and I couldn’t figure out how he got there.
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It’s probably a long slodge through information and try to get to the root of it. Yeah.
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But can we continue with how how it happened until you have the pyramids? Sure. Then Imhotep came, and he built the same mastaba. Mastaba in Arabic means a bench. He built the construction in mud brick of stone for the first ai. And he added more section to the first one. And he put above that five mastabas.
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It’s called the the step Step pyramid. Pyramid. Yeah. In the pyramid text So that’s the first one. In the pyramid text, they say that the step pyramid is a stairs that the king is buried underneath to go to heaven.
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Oh, and this one was how many years before the Great Pyramid?
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It’s, almost almost, seven hundred years.
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Sai, obviously, it’s not nearly sai sophisticated as the Great Pyramid. So in seven hundred years, they just got way better at it.
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Listen. Now on dynasty three, there is another pyramid was found, and only I found recently that I did not excavate it completely. I found a pyramid, which is the end of dynasty three, of a king called Saloni. Then now we came to His name is Honi? Honi. Honi.
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Honi. Okay.
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H u n I. Okay. Then we come to dynasty four, Sneferu.
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Okay.
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Sneferu had a genius architect. His name was Nefermat. Then he started
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Sounds like a good name for a genius.
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Yeah. He started to build a step pyramid like this in a site called the Maidun. But for reason we do not know, he left it unfinished. And he went to a place called Dahshur. He built the pyramid with a huge angle, and he changed its angle. It became bent. Mhmm. And he built another pyramid.
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If you look at the other pyramid of the father of Khufu, it exactly equal to the Great Pyramid. This is the first true meh, but people never go to the shore to look at this pyramid. Mhmm. People always look at Khufu. Then you have in dynasty four, the pyramids were huge because of the quality of the stones. In dynasty five and six, there is no good quality of stones.
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Then the Egyptian made decrees on the volume of the stones and did increase in the volume of the war reliefs. Temples began to be decorated with scenes for the first time. In the Middle Kingdom, another trend. Mud speak pyramid, but underneath maze corridors of stones Mhmm.
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That if you go down, you will lose your way. Oh. In the new kingdom, they built they came in the top of the Valley Of The Kings, a shape of the pyramid, and they buried all the kings ai king Tut and others underneath the pyramid shape.
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So that’s the story. That’s the story. Alright. Well, listen, man. It’s been fascinating talking to you, and I I definitely am gonna take you up in your offer. I’m definitely gonna go to Egypt.
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No. Now we’ll talk.
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Now we’ll talk.
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We’ll talk to And you got sana
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me that video so we can splice it in of the hieroglyphs that are on the wall. We’ll send that. Right?
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I will
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send it tomorrow. Okay.
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But give me give the email to Gregor and Mustafa now.
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We will do that.
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And they are the people that will talk to them now to arrange for your trip. Okay. And I will invite you for a
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a good How many days do you think I should go?
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Ten days at least.
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Jamie, you gotta come. Okay. You wanna do a podcast from there? Sure. Just you and
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me. Let us do one ai the gate pyramid.
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Yeah. Definitely. A %.
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Okay.
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Yeah. With the echo y though?
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Oh, here’s another problem with the idea that these Italians are proposing. Isn’t there a water table under the the the pyramid that’s, like, a million years old? No. There’s not water underneath there?
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No. This is the was ai a shaft that was full of water?
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So is that what mister Beast was swimming in? Exactly. But where’s that water coming from?
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It’s a a water table. Oh, there is a water table. This this shaft this shaft, I came. I brought a company, and we did suck all the water out
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Oh.
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Until he found underneath a sarcophagus and four pillars.
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Oh, wow.
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And this is the symbolic burial of the god Ai. Because Giza Plateau was called in the new kingdom, Per Ozer neprastau, the house of Osiris, lord of Rastau. Rastau means cemetery, but literally means the underground tunnels
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Oh.
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That Osiris is ruling. Then Herodotus, when he came, he talked about this water under the pyramid. It is in the shah. And this one, beast, entered inside and
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Swam in it.
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Swam in it. Okay. You know, I met him because I wanted to convince the younger people that pyramids were not built by aliens. That’s why I took him to three ai sites.
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I don’t understand the alien thing. I I think super advanced culture, super advanced
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civilization, and I think
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the ai of Alexandria burning is probably one of the greatest disasters.
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Many people in America believe that you believe in aliens. When I talk to them that I’m coming to see you
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That I believe in aliens? They do. Well, I’m not opposed to the idea of aliens existing. There’s hundreds of billions of galaxies in the known universe, each with hundreds of billions of stars. The idea that we’re uniquely alone. You don’t think there’s anything out there? Nothing. So you don’t believe in ancient civilizations capable No. Advanced construction.
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Joe. You
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don’t believe in aliens?
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Joe, I am a scientist. Ai am a scientist. Oh. If you believe in something, write an article. I understand. Ai read, but don’t give me a theory.
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But the theory The planets containing intelligent life is No.
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Hancock and Robert Bafal and John Anthony West and I told them from the beginning, your theory will go with the wind.
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Right. But we’re not talking about that theory. We’re talking about aliens being possible. No way. No
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universe.
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If you believe in God.
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The whole universe, only us.
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If you believe in God, you will do miracles. The Egyptian
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Okay.
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Believed in the ai, and they made this great civilization.
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I’m not saying aliens made it. I’m saying it’s very possible there’s something else out there
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in the world. Thank you.
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Alright. Thank you.
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Alright. Ai, everybody. Enjoy talking to you.
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I enjoyed it too, and I’ll see you in the weekend. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.
