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Cameron Hanes is a master bowhunter, outdoorsman, elite athlete, author, and a host of the podcasts “Keep Hammering Collective,” and “Sh*t Talkers Weekly.” His new book, “Undeniable: How to Reach the Top and Stay There,” will be released on May 6.
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#2316 – Cameron Hanes Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion revolves around the evolving landscape of media, the power of podcasts, and the importance of authentic conversations. Joe Rogan and his guest explore how podcasts have become a dominant force, offering a platform for genuine dialogue without the constraints and interests that often influence mainstream media. They highlight the appeal of podcasts as spaces where normal people can engage in meaningful conversations with experts, contrasting this with the curated and often restrictive nature of traditional media outlets like Fox News and CNN.
A recurring theme is the democratization of media through podcasting, which allows diverse voices and opinions to be heard. The conversation touches on the challenges of maintaining authenticity and the pressures from external interests that can influence content. Rogan emphasizes the importance of having open discussions, even on controversial topics, and the value of learning from a wide range of perspectives.
The episode also delves into mental health awareness, with a segment sponsored by BetterHelp, encouraging listeners to prioritize their mental well-being and consider therapy as a beneficial tool. This ties into the broader message of self-care and the importance of addressing mental health stigma.
Additionally, the podcast discusses the characteristics of successful individuals, noting that passion and dedication are key traits that drive people to excel in their fields. The conversation includes anecdotes about endurance athletes and the mindset required to achieve extraordinary feats.
Overall, the episode underscores the significance of authentic communication, the impact of podcasting on media consumption, and the importance of mental health and personal growth.
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#2316 – Cameron Hanes Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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How’s it going on?
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Not much. Hello, Joe Rogan.
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Hello, Cameron Ains.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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Thank you. This is my first time trying one of these, new energy drinks that Black Rifle came out. Have you tried them? They’re good? I have. They’re legit?
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Really good.
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Everything they do is legit.
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Yeah. Really good.
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Mango. What do you think? So this is the part of the podcast where I try to talk you out of running a 250 mile race with a broken foot, you fucking maniac.
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We’re talking about my book. This is the whole point of this was ai, Alex.
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Well, you’ll definitely be undeniable. You’re on 250 miles with a broken foot.
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Yeah. It’s, why
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are you doing that? That seems like not a good idea. But what am Ai, a doctor?
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Okay. So so real talk. Let’s just we’ll break it down. So if I was a professional athlete in my prime Right. Ai, it would obviously make sense to sai, and I need to get surgery. My foot’s broke. I can’t perform. Whatever. But since I’m we know how old I ram, almost 60. It’s just ai there’s no guarantees.
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I’m like, if I can fight this off and still whatever, still perform, then I’m gonna do that. Wow. I can’t afford to play the long game, can I?
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Fix your foot. It’s like, I don’t understand. Like, this is what I’ve always said with people with jujitsu injuries because I’ve had a bunch of surgeries.
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Yeah.
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Just fix it. Just do it. But because a day will be a week, will be a month, it’ll happen so quick. Before you know it, it’ll be six months, you’re back in the gym. Mhmm. Just do it. That’s what I always tell everybody. Just fix it. Yeah.
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I just bite the bullet, get the cert like, there’s certain things, like, certain things I don’t think you should get surgery for. Because there’s things that you could rehabilitate. There’s and there’s sort of an there’s some doctors Ai do I wanna be real careful about this because a lot of doctors are very cautious about whether or not to do surgery.
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But there’s some doctors that are just a little too excited to cut people open and stitch them back together again.
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That’s how they make their money.
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That’s how they make their money. Mhmm. And, you know, famously, I’ve talked about it too many times, but for people who haven’t heard the story, my doctor told me for sure, you’re gonna need shoulder surgery. You’re gonna have to get shoulder surgery. It’s just a matter of when and if you put it off, it’ll probably get worse.
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I have zero problem with that shoulder now. I got stem cells in it from Bryden McGee in Vegas. You went with me to that place. Ai back in six months. He’s ai, the tear is completely gone. Mhmm.
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So I could have gone under the knife and maybe he would have done a great job and fix it. Apparently, he did the Lakers and a bunch of pro athletes and everything like that. But they don’t entertain the possibility that there’s other ways to fix things. Right. But when it comes to broken bones
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Mhmm.
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And torn ligaments, like, if your ligaments like, I have bunch of friends who have ACL tears, complete ACL tears, no ACL, and they still do Jiu Jitsu. I’m like, dude, you’re just grinding up your meniscus. The shit that you’re gonna need for the rest of your life ai take it from me, a 57 year old man who loves Jiu Jitsu, you can’t do that.
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You need that stuff. Like, that stuff’s gonna go away and then it’ll be bone on bone, and then you’re gonna be ai in agony all the time.
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Yeah. Yeah. Theoretically. Theoretically.
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Just get it fixed. I always say, just get it fixed. Get it fixed. Before you know, it’ll be fixed.
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Yeah. But I keep thinking about it. So if I would have done it so I’d I broke it last June, but all the things I did from last June to now, I’ve got accomplished, still still got it done, made it happen. Yeah. It hasn’t
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been done. Don’t fix it ever. Just live with a broken foot forever. That’s retarded.
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It doesn’t make any sense. It makes zero sense.
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This is reverse psychology, isn’t it? Good. Yeah. No. Don’t do it.
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Good job. Break the other one too sai it balances out. That’s the problem is that you only have one broken foot. If you just take a hammer to your to your right foot
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or your
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left foot, then you’ll have no problems.
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Well, we’ll we’ll know.
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Well, you’re I’m sure you’re gonna get through it. I’m positive you’re gonna get through it, but it’s just like, why are you doing that to yourself?
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Next Monday at 5AM, two hundred and fifty miles.
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Oh, which one is that? What’s the race called?
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On your arya cassette go. Cocodona two fifty.
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Where is it? Is it elevation?
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It’s Arizona. So it goes from, I think, Black Canyon City to Flagstaff.
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Is it flat the whole way, or
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is it no. 40,000.
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Oh, thousand feet. Nothing.
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Or maybe 30,000. I don’t know. Lot of lot of lot of climbing.
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Just a tiny amount. Oh, look. Fucking mountains.
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We did.
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No. There’s lots of mountains. Is that the yeah. It’s right there. COCODOMA 250.
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Bro, that’s so ridiculous.
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Yeah. It looks beautiful, though. No.
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It’s so ridiculous. You’re gonna do that with a broken foot.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So after you do that, here’s the next logic. Well, if I could do 250 miles, I sai make it through elk season. And then, yeah, you’re not gonna get it fixed.
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I just did it with a broken foot in elk season.
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I know. That’s what I’m saying. You’re not gonna fix it. Go. You’re not gonna fix it.
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What well, if I get backed into corner and I can’t walk
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Oh, boy. But then the problem is what if you’ve done permanent ai? Like, didn’t you say your hamstring’s bothering you now because you’re comp yeah.
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So Yeah. This this whole leg. But yeah. And you’re
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gonna run 250 miles with a fucked up hamstring.
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Great idea.
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That’s not gonna fuck it up worse.
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This or this is supposed to be this is supposed to be a feel good discussion. I thought friends, BS ing. Right? Everybody has a good time here. The most influential man in the world, Time magazine should have been.
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No. Meghan Markle beat me.
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Oh my god. How how if it’s if it’s most influential, there there should be no there’s no debate. Nobody’s even in the same category as you.
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I don’t know. I don’t think about it. I try not to. It’s a little complicated.
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I’m thinking about it, though.
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I really shouldn’t be influential.
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Ai not
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I don’t I don’t think hard enough about the consequences.
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Oh, you say that all the time, but, man, you you have so many good conversations, and it’s ai, it’s definitely changed. Here’s what’s crazy is, you know, mainstream media with all the money that the advertisers had to pay or whatever Mhmm. It’s like ai was that was our thing.
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Now that feels like that money is coming to the podcast realm because of you. I mean, you’ve shown the power of podcast, and I think all the podcast hosts are benefiting from that. What do you think?
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Ai, I think we are all benefiting from all of our work. I mean, I don’t think it’s me. Ai you know, I just have been doing it longer than most, you know. But there’s guys like Corolla and a few other guys that have been doing it longer than me. You know, it’s just, podcasting is just better because there’s less people involved. It’s really that simple.
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The problem with stuff like Fox News and CNN is there’s too many people involved and too many interests. Right? You have the interests of the network. You have the interests of the sensors. You have a bunch of people that, you know, don’t want you talking about certain things or want you talking about certain other things.
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Like, they want you to push certain narratives. There’s too many people. And sai, it feels curated. And so, when you’re listening, it doesn’t resonate. But when you listen to two people just shoot the shit, you’re ai, oh, I know what that’s like.
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Like, that meh that’s like, if someone came over your house and started talking like a CNN anchor, you’d be like, what the fuck is this guy doing in my house? Get him out of here.
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Yeah.
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I can’t relax.
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We ai to have
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a class of one.
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How would he talk?
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One week what we’ve learned today is that climate change is the most important you you be like, oh, god. Get this guy out of the fucking house. Like, what are you saying?
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So Douglas Murray is gonna come over to my ai, it sounds? Have you ever been?
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Yeah. Ai mean, it’s just there’s people that are professional talking heads. Do you know, like, there’s there’s people that are professional sportscasters. You know, they talk like a sportscaster voice. Ai Howard Cosell.
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Radio DJ voice.
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Radio DJ voice. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Top 40 DJ voice. It’s ai they’re all the same. Coming up next. Alright. You know, like vatsal kind of weird thing that they do where you’re used to it. It sounds professional, but it doesn’t resonate with you, so it doesn’t seem normal.
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When you hear people, whether it’s you or me or Theo Vaughn or Andrew Schultz or whoever it is that’s doing a podcast, they’re just people talking. Normal people talking to people and that’s what people want. And if a normal person can talk to scientists and, you know, and sai, what what how does that work?
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Why is it what causes this? Ai, what can I do to make this happen? What’s what what’s the best way to start your day? That kind of shah, like, then it makes sense to the people. If you’re if you hear some fucking weirdo that’s talking in a way that doesn’t make any sense and, you know, won’t bring up certain subjects and has guard rails and won’t use certain language, it doesn’t make sense to you.
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So you’re not it doesn’t work as well. And also, like, they don’t trust those people. Like, if I tell you, oh, this Black Rifle coffee drink is good. I’m not lying.
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I
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wouldn’t lie if I was like, Evan, what the fuck is this? If I drank it, I was like, bro. We would call Evan up right now. We’d call him up on speak too. Just mango tastes like ass.
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Yeah. You
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know, probably not. But but I tell him privately. But it’s but it wouldn’t. You know what I’m saying? Like, I know all their shit is great. Their coffee is great. Everything’s great. It’s ai everything all the ads we have, like, I had a call yesterday, one of these conference calls that I have where I gotta go, no. No.
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Not that one. No. We can’t do that. It was ai different ads, like, what is it? No. No. Like, I just something that sounds ai wrong to me.
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I’m not a bit interested. I’m not that might be a scam. This might be horseshit. What’s the studies on this? Is it real? Like, what do we no. No.
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No. No. Ai, oh, or meh. Oh, yeah. I use that all the time. Let’s do that. That’s good. That’s solid company. That’s this. This is great.
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Yeah. I wonder if, I don’t even know how to word it, but people are so used to, like, the fake stuff. Like, even even if somebody says if you talk about being transgender and say, oh, well, you know, this boy felt like a girl, whatever. It’s ai you’re almost programmed to be like, oh, okay. Yeah.
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You’re programmed to not have an opinion
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ai it. Yeah. And that and because, normally, as guys work, you talk we talk about radio DJ voice or the fake or whatever. It’s ai, that’s not how people talk. But guys can be around a certain group of people, and it’ll be ai one guy. It’d be like, that guy seemed
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off. Yes.
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What the fuck’s wrong with that guy? Right.
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That’s will infiltrate your group.
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That’s ai a subtle little thing. Mhmm. That’s not ai the things we’re talking about, like, the big things. That’s ai, these guys have these this arya, and you’re just like, who the fuck is this guy? Right.
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Right. Right. Right.
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And then you go to the complete other realm where it’s so preposterous. And Yeah. We’re supposed to be like, oh, okay. Yeah. That makes sense.
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I actually heard a psychologist discussing this, and he said that there’s an issue with talking about things publicly, especially with social media because there’s so much backlash on social media whenever you hit any hot button topic. Immigration, politics, anything that’s like a real highly hotly contended topic.
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People will say things just so they don’t get attacked, and they they distort their opinions based on how much they think they’re going to get attacked. Sai all that social media stuff is super effective. People attacking people is super effective for people to, ai, this is how transgender people in sports got through.
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The only way it got through is because people were calling people bigots. Yeah. Every parent, every fucking parent who’s not a complete psychopath
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Yeah.
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Doesn’t want their daughter wrestling with some boy who thinks he’s a girl. Right. That’s crazy. Playing rugby with some boy who thinks he’s a girl. That’s crazy. Have a six foot six fifty year old man who identifies as being 17 year old girl. That’s fucking crazy. Yeah. But you can’t say that’s crazy or your feed will be bombarded with a bunch of sociopaths attacking you
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Yeah.
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For being transphobic.
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Oppressed. Or Instagram will be like Yes. Okay. You guess what? We don’t like that opinion. Nobody’s gonna see it.
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I think Instagram is doing less of that now, allegedly, supposedly. I know x is not interested in that at all. They’re not suppressing that shit at all. You can talk all the shit you want about trans people in sports now because the reality is the general population ai, I don’t care what you wanna do.
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If you wanna wear a dress, you wanna be called Rhonda, go for it. Have fun. I’m I’m a freedom person.
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Right.
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And I believe America is the land of the bryden. That that includes doing dumb shit. Mhmm. That includes things that I don’t agree with, but don’t hurt me or anybody else. Go have fun.
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Right.
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But as soon as you start doing things ai entering into women’s bathrooms, entering into women’s locker ram, and all you have to do is just say you’re a ai. Mhmm. Now we’re in crazy town. Yeah. Let’s go. And if I can’t say we’re in crazy town, will you that’s how all that stuff got through is because Twitter was complete nonsense. It was just a ai.
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The whole thing was just a psyop. We all owe Elon Musk a huge debt. When he bought Twitter, he changed the conversations in the country because all of a sudden people were free. Could you
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say what you want?
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You were free to say whatever you wanted.
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Yeah.
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Before, you couldn’t say anything bad about Biden or the Liberals or COVID vaccines or anything. You would be banned. You’d be banned.
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Yeah. That’s you know, that Elon coming, doing what he’s done has has definitely changed the world. Right?
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Without a doubt. I
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mean, sai and how much credit does he deserve? Because he did not have to do that. I mean, he had more money than anybody. Why would he do why would he put himself out there like that other than to make a positive change for humanity essentially?
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In talking with him both publicly and privately, meh was genuinely concerned that we were losing free speech. He was genuinely concerned that it was being hijacked. It was being hijacked under the guise of safety. Safety. Like, we have to we have to protect people.
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We have to
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protect marginalized people, like, ai people, like marginalized male perverts who wanna wear dresses and pretend they’re
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a girl and go
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in the bath. Literally.
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Right.
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Literally.
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Right.
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You know, and that’s that’s dangerous with that, but it’s also dangerous with everything else. It’s also dangerous, like, if you’re a person who’s a progressive person who believes in gay rights or, you know, any any thing, welfare, universal basic, whatever it is. Imagine living in a world where there’s no free speak, but the Republicans are in control or, like, super religious conservative people are in control or Muslims are in control.
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Mhmm.
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Let’s imagine, like, the the Muslim population in this country is expanding all the time. They’ve got Muslim run cities now. They have call to prayer in certain cities in this country. Imagine that goes everywhere. They’re in control of social media, and they institute Sharia law on social media and they sana throw gay people off the roof. Yeah. This is where it goes.
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Like, you gotta leave people the fuck alone.
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Mhmm.
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You gotta let them say whatever they wanna say and if you don’t agree with them, don’t follow them or make an argument against it. Right.
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Ai
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really that simple.
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Yeah.
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That’s what America is supposed to be, and it wasn’t that
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way for four fucking years. I know.
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During the Biden administration, the FBI was involved in Twitter. The the government intelligence agencies were involved in Twitter. They were telling people to take down true information. Mhmm. And they were getting them
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to do it, and they were doing it. How crazy is that?
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Crazy.
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Yeah.
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People should be up in arms that that took place. Mhmm. Like, the Hunter Biden laptop thing, you should be you should be freaking out. How’d they get 51 former intelligence agencies to sign agents to sign off on something they knew was a lie?
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Yeah. That’s crazy. Yeah. They
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just did it right in front of our face.
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And no repercussions.
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Nothing.
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It’s Nothing. How does that how does that happen? But then, also, how is there no repercussions?
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Well, what’s really hilarious now is now they’re all getting grilled by even, like, liberal media is grilling these politicians, like
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Mhmm.
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Did you know Biden was out of his mind? Right. Like, how did you know? Yeah. Like, Elizabeth Warren was, like, he was sharp as attack. Oh. He was getting up for meetings.
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I’ve never seen him better. I heard that too. It’s like,
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Joe Scarborough.
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Yeah.
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He was, like, this is the best version of Biden ever seen.
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Oh, ai
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Like, you should be literally in
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jail. God.
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You’re such a liar. You almost, like, shifted the whole imagine if Biden stayed in, they lied about that, and he’s literally ai a zombie for four more years. Oh. And whoever the hell was running the country for the last four years just continues to run it, and then they just tighten up even further. Could you imagine?
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Cut down on Marc Andreessen was telling me about debanking, which I didn’t even know existed, where people that had certain political donations and political persuasions, they would take their banking away. They did no crime. They just sai, you can’t bank here anymore. You gotta go find another bank. And there’s only, like, a few banks.
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There’s no they’re all owned by giant mega corporations. Like, what the fuck are you doing?
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Well, it’s no vatsal kinda reminds me of what happened in Canada with the truckers.
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Yes.
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I mean, they froze their they froze their bank accounts. Yeah. Or people who donated to them.
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Yeah. People who donated to them got their
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bank accounts frozen. How insane.
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Insane. Insane. And then that that that same party just won again. Good job, Canada. Oh ai god.
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If they didn’t have good bear hunting, I would never be I would never go there.
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I do have to say, I offered to have that Pierre guy come on the podcast. Really? He didn’t do it. Wouldn’t do it. Thought it was too problematic. Mhmm. Or whatever. Jordan told me I forget what he said. But they they were telling him not to do it. Like, his advisers were telling him not to do it.
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Literally. Meh. Hey. Hey, dumbass. If they can’t talk to you and have a conversation hold up, it’s not you’re not grilling you’re not attacking people.
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Of course not.
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This is ai a sai you know, the friend zone type thing. It’s like, no. And I heard you talk about Kamala saying, just wanna get to know her. Just wanna talk to her.
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100%. I sai, if there’s certain things they didn’t wanna talk about, I don’t need to talk about them. Yeah. I don’t care. I’m like, I could talk to you about fucking AI.
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Never been the gotcha guy.
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I don’t I’m not interested in that.
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No. I
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don’t wanna hurt anybody’s feelings. If, like, if someone if I disagree with someone, I just say I disagree with them. I’m not I don’t wanna attack people. As I’ve gotten older and wiser in life, I want less conflict. I mean, sometimes you have to be able to disagree in a way that’s forceful.
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But I don’t want I’m never insulting or attack people.
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Right.
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And especially this Pierre Polavet ai, because I don’t know how to say his name. How do you say it? I don’t know. It’s a weird way of saying it. Mhmm. Polivet. I would just ask him questions ai, what’s wrong? What’s wrong with Canada? Like, how did this happen? Why did it go this way? Mhmm.
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What can be done to reverse some of these things that have been put into place? Like, how did you feel about this? What what would you have done differently? Yeah. Real simple stuff. Yeah. Real ai. I don’t know anything about Canada’s politics.
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Right. You know? It’d be interesting. Yeah. I’d love to hear it.
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It would have been fun.
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Yeah.
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But what but, you know, people are just and this is also why the attacking of people on social media is effective. Like, the same thing that keeps people from saying things because they’re worried that they’re gonna be attacked also keeps people from talking to certain people because they’re worried about being they’re being attacked.
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Mhmm.
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You know, they’ll try to, like, this is one of the things that I felt like Douglas Murray was doing when he was on the podcast was, like, trying to gatekeep who I have on. Like, why would you have this person on? He never even listened to that guy, Daryl Cooper’s podcast. Ai, I would tell everybody, forget about the politics stuff.
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Listen to his stuff on Guyana. Listen to his stuff on Jim Jones. The Jim Jones series And this is in hours. Fucking incredible.
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Doesn’t he do, like, hours long discussions? Yeah.
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Fear and loathing in New Jerusalem is something ai thirty hours long. Mhmm. Insane stuff. But he’s a really thoughtful person and he delves into all the areas. Let’s, you know, look at this from the the perspective of the people who were in the cult. Look at it from Jim Jones’ perspective.
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Look at it from the nation of Guyana where he moves there with his fucking cult and kills everybody with Kool Aid.
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Mhmm.
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I ai think it was Kool Aid. I think it was like a bargain name. It was ai some fake Kool Aid.
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Yeah. We don’t want Kool
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Aid to
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sue us.
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People always say drink the Kool Aid, but I do Google that because I’m pretty sure it wasn’t really Kool Aid. It was something else. Right. It was cheap too expensive to kill everybody with top shelf Kool Aid.
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Yeah. It’s a lot of sugar you gotta put in Kool Aid. Remember when you used to make Kool Aid? And it’s ai, what was it? Like, a cup of sugar?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then you throw those stuff in there. Bert Kreischer drinks vatsal day long. It’s ai a 64 ounce jug of Kool
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He was shredded.
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Oh, he wasn’t.
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He was more shredded than he is now. Yes.
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Yeah. But he’s real big right now. I was just talking to him the other day. I was like,
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dude, you
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gotta do something. Maybe Flavor Aid. Flavor Aid.
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Similar, but ai actually cheaper. Yeah. So that was from Costco.
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Yeah. They got it in bulk. Flavor Aid. There it is. Kirkland.
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Yeah. What does it say?
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Ho your aid? What does it say?
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Where?
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Shah is it? Flay, f l a Oh. Vor aid. Flavor aid. Oh, that’s an f? Make it larger. I can’t. Oh, it’s blurry.
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Probably Oh,
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there it goes. Oh, there it goes. Yeah. Flavor aid. Okay.
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Flavor aid.
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They killed everybody with flavor aid.
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They’re mixing it up.
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Poison has gotta be the fucking worst way to go. Yeah. Just feeling your body just getting destroyed from the inside out. Terrible. For some jackass who’s on meh. How? It’s a crazy podcast. But this is my ai, like, what they’re trying to do is keep people, keep these heterodox opinions, keep people that arya, like, outside of the circle of expertise from talking about things.
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Even if they’ve read, ai, Daryl Cooper’s read, like, hundreds of books. The ai like a fucking consummate reader, and you might disagree with him about something. That’s fine. That’s you you should that should be okay.
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It should be
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okay to disagree with people about stuff.
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Yeah. And, also, what is learning? I mean, what is learning?
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Yeah.
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So you said he he read. He did all this research. Yeah. Douglas Murray has a problem with I don’t know who. But what is how is that different than going to school, essentially?
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Right.
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I mean
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It’s no different. It’s no different. I mean, there are experts that stop learning the moment they get their degree. And that’s real. Yeah. And it’s a real problem. It’s a real problem in meh. You know, I had an argument with Ai Cowen years ago because his doctor was telling him, you don’t need supplements.
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You you just you just need a balanced diet. That’s what his doctor was saying. Ai go, your doctor looks like shit. Like, what are you talk your doctor’s fat. He’s got a big pot belly. He’s got a big doughy face. He probably can’t run around the block. Shut the fuck up. Don’t listen to that guy.
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There’s plenty of peer reviewed papers that talk about the efficacy of vitamins. Mhmm. They’re super beneficial for you. This is crazy talk.
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Yeah.
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This appeal to experts just because you have a degree. You’re not always right. You’re wrong all the time.
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Yeah. That was that was pretty disappointing because I I thought Douglas Murray I liked listening to him. I thought he was super smart. Obviously, for saloni articulate.
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Sai good with
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that accent. Sana that but then on that one, I think I told you it was ai, alright. Text you something about, man, he seemed pompous. It’s like that seemed like that would took a big for me, it was a loss for him big time.
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Well, he used tactics rather than facts. Sai the tactic was an appeal to experts like that, and there was also saying that the coverage was imbalanced ai they didn’t have enough people that were pro Israel. But then I thought about it afterwards, I’m ai, I sai a quite a few. Mhmm.
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There was Jordan, Ben Shapiro, there was Coleman Hughes, there’s, there’s been quite a few people that are pro Israel. And not even that people are anti Israel, they just don’t sana watch people get blown apart all the time. Right. That seems pretty reasonable. But instead of debating how this is done and what is being done militarily, it all became about, like, who are the experts and what are the what are the things that should be discussed and should it be balanced and do you have an obligation?
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Like, that’s not what we’re here for. What we’re here for is to get down to business. Mhmm. So what he’s doing is, like, putting you on the defensive right away out of the gate. Yeah. Which is, like, I recognized. I’m like, okay.
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No. You are perfect. You are perfect, the perfect person to handle that. Because most people, when they start getting attacked, you get defensive, you attack back. Yeah. Right? It just it just changes the whole dynamic of the conversation, but you stayed pretty neutral on that and
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It’s a trap. Yeah. It’s a trap. It’s like, you know, when someone gets in your face and they start yelling Yeah. In your face, like, what? Okay. What are we doing? Are we fighting? Or you know, Ai could do, like, you start yelling too.
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Yeah.
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And then maybe I won’t
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That’s usually what happens. Yeah.
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And then maybe I won’t be paying attention to your hands, you know, or your shoulder movement. Disconnected. Whether or not you’re gonna hit me.
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Yeah. It’s Sai, that’s a tactic. That’s a fighting tactic.
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100%.
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He had the same tactic, but not for fighting, but for conversation.
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Yeah. It’s it’s a tactic, you know. And then the thing of asking Dave, you’ve never been. Like, to to to dismiss the and instead of having a debate on the issues, like and this idea that expert, like, Douglas Murray, I love him dearly. I think he’s a brilliant man.
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He’s got a degree in history
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or, excuse me. He’s got a degree in English. Bachelor’s degree.
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Mhmm. Because he’s
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not an expert either. Unless we’re talking about Shakespeare, shut the fuck up. Because, like, you’re not an expert either. You know what I mean? Right.
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I don’t
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have a degree in anything. I don’t have I have zero degrees in anything. But there’s certain things that I’m an expert in. You wanna talk about martial arts? I’m a martial arts expert. Like, if you disagree with you have to be, ai, in order for me to have a conversation with someone where they disagree with me about martial they have to be so much better.
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They have to be ai Gordon Ryan.
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Right.
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You know, ai, but I don’t disagree with Gordon on anything. For him, like, that’s a real expert. Again, no degrees. That’s a real expert. I would just ask questions, like, what do you do in a situation? What’s what’s the benefit of this versus that? And so you talk about it, like Mhmm.
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The with these political issues, they’re so such a third rail. It’s such a fucking dangerous subject that people have, like, a group that they belong with, and then that group will support them if they go out and say these ai, and then the other people have another group, and then this person’s a representative of one group, and they wanna duke it out with the rep.
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Any reasonable person would look at Gaza and go, this seems kind of excessive. This seems ai of fucking crazy. Right. Seem kinda crazy vatsal seventy thousand people or whatever it is are dead, including women and children. Mhmm.
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Like, this
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is the only way to do it? Really? Any reasonable person that doesn’t make you anti Semitic. It doesn’t make you anti Zionist. It doesn’t make you anything. It just, like, doesn’t make you pro Hamas. Like, no. It’s Could
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be pro human.
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Yeah. Human beings.
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I don’t think humans should be murdered.
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Yeah. Just ai that sounds so reasonable. But the thing is, like, we never got into that. Yeah. Because the conversation, you know, tactically, he entered into the conversation as, you know, because he doesn’t have really a defensible position. Mhmm. It’s very hard to say this is the only way to do it. Yeah. So what do you say? You say you need better experts.
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You shouldn’t be talking to this person. You should be doing this. You should be doing that. Like, why don’t you have this? You’ve never been there.
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You should go there. Like, bitch, I
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am not
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going there. What the fuck are you
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talking about? You’re not even going to Brazil for another UFC fight.
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Yeah. Exactly. I don’t go to Canada.
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Ai. I’m not not traveling out of the country.
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Yeah. It’s ai, you know, it’s not not what I’m interested in doing. I don’t have to.
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Well, what’s crazy is so he had that take, but you unless you’re an expert or educated, you shouldn’t have be able to share this opinion. Yeah. But he’d had the opposite take before.
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Oh, yeah.
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Which is hilarious because somebody put a video up of him arguing with him.
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Completely opposite. So that and I must I I don’t I asked you about this, not with him, but I asked you, do you think there’s, like, government plans? Because it’s ai, if somebody I’m not saying him. I’m just saying just in general. If somebody changes their position sai I don’t know.
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I know. It It’s hard to know.
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What it how who got to them, and why did this happen? Because then I I look around. We talk about the power of podcasts, and I see these podcasts. And this is like, how did this podcast get every guest you could ever want and rise to the top in a heartbeat when we know how it normally works?
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Mhmm. It works like you. Decades, right, to get to the top. Then some people so I’m thinking, like, how did this happen?
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Well, some people are really good.
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Mhmm.
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You know? And they could be really good right out of the bat. Right off the bat, they could be, you know, better at it, and then they get a good following. And then once it gets into the top 20 or whatever, then they can get good guests. You know, because when it comes to
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That usually takes time. Sometimes. Mhmm.
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I mean, I don’t know. I I mean, I wonder what would happen if I started the podcast today. If there was all the podcasts that were out right now, and I had never done a podcast. And I started today, and I did it exactly how I’m doing it.
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How long
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would it take before it catches on? I don’t know. I don’t either. I would suck though. That would be a problem. I was sucking everybody who’d be watching. Because I suck when nobody was watching and I got better at it. I figured out how to do it. But as far as, like, Douglas, I don’t know if anybody got to him or whether or not the group that he associates with thinks this way. Mhmm.
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I don’t necessarily put everything inside of a grand conspiracy. It might be that he has financial ties towards certain things. You know, like, sai so he, you know, he speaks at certain places. He sells certain books. He knows how he’s selling them.
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I mean or it might be just that’s how he thinks about things too. There’s some sometimes people always think ai, oh, somebody got to him. Like, maybe that’s just how he thinks. Yeah. Somebody has to think that way. Otherwise, that wouldn’t be an opinion that’s out there in the zeitgeist.
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Normally, people don’t switch a 80 degrees on things. So
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Especially like that. Yeah.
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I mean That’s
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true. That’s true.
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Because because if he’s educated on things, if he’s been around, if he’s, you know, the smart, wise person, you you form this opinion based on that. You don’t go a 80 degrees the other way and change complete the complete opposite take.
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Right. Unless you’ve been influenced.
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It wasn’t like you were just a kid and you didn’t know, and now all of a sudden you’re an adult. It was like, I can’t believe I used to say that. He was an adult the whole time.
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Right. Right. Right. Right. So how? I don’t know. You know, it’s you definitely could get suspicious for sure. But, you know, I
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hear suspicious.
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Ai I hear people say that about me too, which is hilarious.
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But I sai
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But then I have, like, CIA handlers. I know. But I’ve heard all that.
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Decades, dude. You’ve been doing this
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Yeah.
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You’re the OG. A lot of words. Yeah.
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I think, for sure, people do get influenced. But I think people also allow themselves to get in influence because they have a financial interest in keeping a certain opinion because they know that the group that they belong to has that certain opinion. There’s that. But the real problem with doing what he did was that it diminishes you publicly.
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Like, if you really wanna do that kind of a debate, if you really wanna use those ai of tactics rather than a discussion of the issue, like, you’ve never been, like, that kind of stuff diminishes you publicly because everybody knows what you’re doing.
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Yeah.
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Instead of just having a conversation about yeah.
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Okay.
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Anybody with a anybody with an opinion I value knows what you’re doing. Right. Because if you understand conversations, you understand that’s Mhmm. This is not you’re not really engaging with the ai. You’re deciding whether or not a person should have these ideas Ai, you can’t how can you have an opinion?
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You know, at least you should do the courtesy. Like, now now I’m virtuous. I have been Right. I put I’m elevated. I’m better than you. You are diminished.
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You haven’t even been there.
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Yeah.
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Your opinion is basically meaningless. Yeah. You know? And then it gets to this weird place where it’s ai, who’s allowed to talk about what?
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You know? That’s that’s what it just the change was so abrupt. It’s so opposite. I was just like because you could think if somebody was I don’t well, okay. Here’s an example. I had somebody offer me today, not today, yesterday, if I would wear their hat, $5,000.
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Mhmm. So With the hat and a bunch of dicks on
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it? No. It was just a brand. But, but so point is, there’s value into doing this. So if somebody says, well, your your voice is this powerful or you can reach as many people or this many people listen to you. So if it’s a political party or a movement and they have this guy, we’ll we’ll pay you this much to push this point.
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It’s possible. It’s also possible that he views a guy like Dave Smith as, sort of a dangerous upstart. Dave Smith has incredible recall, and he’s very well read. I mean, he’s a consummate consumer of information, and he’s always reading books on different wars and foreign policy, like, he’s really into it.
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The way he explains it to me is ai, someone’s ai, your recall is insane. He’s ai, yeah, but I could talk to you about a fight that happened ten years ago, and you’ll tell me exactly how it went down. Like, that’s all it is. It’s just this is what I’m into. Right.
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Because it
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just, like, it’s not I’m not I’m not studying it for any other reason other than I’m fascinated by human conflicts, like, ai, like, global conflicts. And so when when a guy like that is rising, you wanna try to diminish his impact if he disagrees with your perspective. Like, if you see someone.
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But not everybody would wanna diminish that impact. Not everybody. That’s a certain type of person.
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Yeah. But he’s also a certain type of person that kind of existed in both traditional media and alternative media. I mean, he always did my podcast and, you know, he’s written some great books, ai, The Strange Death of Europe is very good and proving to be very accurate.
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Mhmm. You know,
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if you look at, like, what’s happening with mass migration into Europe, like, he was calling this a long time ago. He’s saying, like, this is And he was being called terrible names, racist, Islamophobic, all these different things. And it turns out he was right. I mean, what they’re what Conor McGregor is talking about in Ireland now and a lot of other Irish people are talking about, what people are talking about in The UK, He was right.
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Mhmm. Like, you’re you’re changing your culture and you’re doing it you’re not meh you’re you’re not having people move there that are assimilating and becoming British. You’re having people that are coming there and trying to change what being British means.
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Right.
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This is all he was saying. And so Ai agree with him on a lot of things, but I think that’s how life is. You agree with people on some things, you disagree with them on other things. Definitely. And this is supposed to be how most people, view basically everything in life. There’s gonna be things that you agree with that there’s a lot I have a lot of friends that disagree with me on certain things, but that should be fine.
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Yeah.
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That should be normal. But for some people, it’s not. For some people, it’s not allowed because they they live in this sort of debate culture. Mhmm. And, you know, and some people, they do debates. One of the first things they do is they insult the people they’re debating with. They’re just like Yeah.
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Add hominem attacks and and again, trying to get you on the defensive.
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That’s it’s like a tactic of when we talk about mainstream media, like those interview type shows where you only have a certain amount of time. Right. So they have to get right to it. Yeah. Whereas, that’s not the case with the with the podcast.
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Also, I value perspective. I value someone who could look at things and go, yeah, like, clearly, the devastation is horrible. Clearly. Clearly, it’s horrible. Clearly, there’s innocent people. I’ve seen people say I don’t sana say who. I’ve seen people say there are no innocent Palestinians in Gaza. I’ve seen people say that.
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Ai, that’s a crazy thing to say. That’s a crazy thing to sai, especially in a place that’s controlled by essentially a terrorist group. Like like, that’s a crazy thing to say. Like, would would you what do you think Chicago would look like? How do you think people would behave if they were Chicago was controlled by a terrorist group. Do you think people would be free to speak out against them?
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That’s is that the problem? Then they’re not speaking out against them, so they’re they should get bombed? That’s crazy. If you have a wife and a child and you’re barely getting by, you barely have enough money for food, are you really gonna be out in the streets protesting against this fucking terrorist group with machine guns and and billions of dollars they’ve gotten from USAID?
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Yeah. No. You wouldn’t. Not. You wouldn’t. You wouldn’t be you’re not expressing yourself freely, so how do we even know what their opinions are?
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Yeah. That was it’s true. Yeah. It’s just I mean, all of it just the changing landscape of media has just you know, it just gets you thinking about, like, these voices and, you know and Douglas brought it up with in that discussion was was interesting, but all that I remember from it is, like, how how much he changed his perspective.
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But Well So anyway.
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I think he’s still a brilliant ai.
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Yeah.
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And I would still, talk to him and listen to him about a lot of things. But I think having conversations like that, communicating with people like that diminishes your appeal or diminishes whether or not it diminishes the overall impact of your mind
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Mhmm.
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On other people because I know you think goofy this way. I know you you communicate goofy this way. And as soon as I know that, I’m like, yeah, now I have to put this through this filter now when you say things. I have to go, yeah, but he believes a bunch of goofy shit about that. Right. Which is ai. Which is fine. I’m sure people do that with me too.
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It’s normal. But Ai think for someone who is a public intellectual, that becomes a problem. Right. Everyone who’s really paying attention knows you’re using tactics
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Mhmm.
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Rather than actually just debating the issues at hand.
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Just talking it through.
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Yeah. Yeah. But it’s ai the thing is like, who’s talking? Like, come on. Everybody’s talking, bitch. The whole world’s talking. Like, let people talk.
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Yeah. It’s a crazy time for sure. But yeah. You know what I’ll you know what I was thinking also?
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Ai don’t have I
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don’t have did you know I don’t have a bow hunting degree?
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Oh, that’s crazy. You should get a degree. Who’s giving out degrees?
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I shouldn’t be able to bow hunt, really. Should I?
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Yeah. You’re allowed to bow hunt without a degree. Yeah. Because it’s sai caveman fucking practice.
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How awesome is bow hunting now?
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It’s the best. Yeah. Best way to get food. Yeah. There’s no better way to get food.
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Have have you been shooting much?
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Yeah. Shot this morning. Did you? Went to waste a boat. Yeah. Are we gonna shoot? I don’t know if I have time today, unfortunately, because we spent so much time at waste a well. And I gotta I gotta head home after this. Getting healthy? Yeah. We were getting stem cells today and the what’s the mask? The infusion? The lung stuff?
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Yeah. That was, well, stem cell nebulizer, basically.
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Yeah. So you breathe it in. So you breathe it in, like, vape. You’re vaping stem cells.
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It’s gotta be hey. All I know and and I said this when I was there, but I did that last tyler. And then I ran a five mile race. It was eight k, but my fastest five miles I’ve ever run
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Really? With a broken foot?
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Yeah. At 57. So it’s ai, I don’t know what it if it didn’t hurt. Yeah. It didn’t hurt me, obviously.
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Well, they’ve done so many amazing things with meh. Then I’m you know, when they say something is really great, you should ai. I’m like, okay.
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Mhmm.
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So I put the mask on. I’m sitting there with you. We’re talking about Rocky Marciano. Meh, man. Where Ai got into these old, videos on YouTube of fighters training. And I got into this, one video that I sent you about Rocky Marciano and how insane his training was. And it was seven days a speak.
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He would spar sometimes thirty, forty rounds in a day. He would run 10 miles in the morning and then five more miles at night, and then he would swim two miles in the lake. Mhmm. He would swim across the lake and then back. And then he would get up in the morning and do it all over again, and he never took days off.
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No. And another thing, he was, like, focused on recovery and sleep. Yep. Like, he would be in bed, like, at nine, I think I said every night
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Yep.
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And get his sleep in, but work so hard. And why do we love stories like that?
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Because you know how hard it is to do. Yeah. Yeah. But it’s It’s impossible. I mean, it’s possible, but it’s impossible for most. It’s ai it it requires a mind that is just fortified through will and discipline to this strange hardness that’s just different than everybody else’s.
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Well, but but why would okay. So he retired at 49 or no.
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Yeah.
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Heavyweight Everybody knows him in ai. Maybe not everybody in the world, obviously. He died a while ago. But By
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the way, small heavyweight. We’re talking about that too. I think in his prime, he’s a hundred and ninety pounds or a hundred and ai nine pounds. Something like something crazy. Like, what did Rocky Marciano weigh while he’s fighting? I think he was five ten and he weighed ai a hundred and eighty nine pounds, which is insane.
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Yeah.
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Like, one eighty eight. That’s so crazy, dude. So he weighed twelve pounds less than me. Think about that.
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Five meh and a quarter.
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He weighs twelve he’s two inches taller than me and a little more, and then he weighs twelve pounds less.
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Did he ai Joe Louis and Sonny Lewis?
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No. He fight no. No. No. No. He fought Joe Louis when Joe Louis was way past his prime Okay. And ai him. It was pretty brutal. Mhmm. It was a scary fight. What it was that’s so crazy that he was only a hundred and eighty eight pounds and he was the heavyweight champion. Granted, this is a different world. Yeah. Different era. Different era.
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Yeah. There was no Tyson Fury and
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There’s no Mike Tyson either.
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Right.
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Like, everybody talks about Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano is great. Mike Tyson would have went through him like a fucking train through a flock of sheep. Yeah. It’s a different world. Rocky Mountain, at his heaviest, he weighed one ninety two.
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Okay.
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He fought seven boxers who weighed more than two hundred pounds, but people weren’t that big back then.
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Right.
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Sonny Liston was. Sonny Liston was big.
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Yeah. So he would have been 20 pounds bigger bigger than Rocky Marciano. Sonny Liston.
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Yes. But Mike Tyson wasn’t that big when he was in his prime. When his prime, he was, like, two fifteen, two twenty, you know, and five ten or five eleven as well. He wasn’t very big. And he
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He was did his he was born in ’69. Did I see that right?
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No. No. No. I think that’s when he died.
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Oh, he died. Okay. I was just let’s just say he can’t be younger than us.
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No. No. No. No. No. He was a heavyweight champion in the nineteen fifties.
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Alright. Never mind. See if he
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can old.
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No. It’s not that old.
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Find, Rocky Marciano KO’s Joe Louis. It was brutal because, you know, back then when you were 38 or whatever Joe Louis was when they fought, you were really 38. No nutrition. Yeah. You know, also ai of fighting, probably needed the money, which is why he took the fight. Yeah.
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It it’s not like the Joe Louis that knocked out Max Schmeling in the height of the war, and it was ai America’s hero. This is this is Joe Louis when he’s on this balding. He’s got a big bald spot in the back. But he’s like, it’s sad. Yeah.
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And Rocky Marciano just mauls him.
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Just That’s what’s crazy about how did George Foreman reinvent himself when he was old.
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The thing is, like, one one thing that you did see in this fight was the technical brilliance of Joe Louis, especially early in the fight. Mhmm. Like, if they had fought in their prime, I think Louis would have fucked him up. That’s my belief. Mhmm.
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He’s a lot bigger.
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He was he was taller and but he also had incredible power. How old was well, we’ll ask after watching this video. But he was doing really well for a ai. But the thing about Marciano was he was not the most talented, but he did not get fucking tired and he hit like a truck. He hit like a truck and he was just a fucking animal. He just plowed forward. He never ran out of gas. No.
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Like, this is not like a technically skilled No. Boxing match. He would just maul guys. He would just bob and weave, and this is the end of it. At the end, Joe Louis goes through the ropes. It’s sad, man. It’s sad. Yeah. It’s sad.
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That’s a that’s a
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How old was Joe Louis when he fought Rocky Marciano?
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That’s a sai thing. He looked
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pretty good though. Yeah. Up until, like, Rocky started catching him. But this is how a lot of Rocky’s fights would go. Even his last fight, which was it against was it against Archie Moore, I think? He he got dropped in that fight and just got up and just eventually pounded him and and beat him down and KO’d him. Yeah.
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But he was just so fucking tough. Like, what he would do to himself was nothing compared to whatever was gonna happen inside that ring.
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Right. So that was that was gonna be my point. So he had all the success, retired, undefeated.
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Pretty young too. People knew
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He was 30. George Lewis sai 37.
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30 seven. Okay. That’s how old Powhatan is right now. Okay. That’s how old Alex Pereira is right now. Right. That’s crazy. So 37 back then was ai, it was over.
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Oh, yeah. So much older. But yeah. So when you look at Rocky’s success, why weren’t why even seeing that and there’s fighters out there, why wouldn’t they emulate his style, his training, his why why if you if that’s what you do and you want the same type of success, why are you letting somebody outwork you?
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Yeah. It’s not that simple. It’s ai, first of all, you’re not as exposed to people like that unless Sai didn’t know. You train with them. Yeah.
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There’s no use to doing that.
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Videos. There’s no you might hear things. Mhmm. You know, but if you hear things ai, I heard Rocky’s training seven days a speak, twenty four hours a day. He don’t speak. He only eats raw meat. You hear stories like that.
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And you’re like, fuck that guy. That is Rocky’s trick.
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Yeah. Well, that you know, but look, that do do you would hear exaggerations. You always hear exaggerations that come out of fight gyms.
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But I would I would wanna believe those if I was a fighter and be ai because didn’t didn’t Tyson used to say that? That’s why I got up at five in the morning or four in the morning? Yes.
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Well, Tyson did train like that.
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Yeah.
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You know who else trained like ai? Forever? Marvin Hagler.
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Oh, I thought you’re gonna say Floyd.
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Marvin Hagler trained like a fucking warrior.
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Right.
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He used to run-in he was to train on the sand dunes in the Cape Of Cape Cod in the middle of the winter and he would just be running screaming war.
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Love that.
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War. Just throwing punches. He would run-in combat boots. Dude. He was an animal. He was an animal, just Spartan. He would go to this Provincetown Inn. No fucking phones. He would tell his wife and family, I’m gone. I don’t exist. I’m gone. For two months, he would just vanish. And every day would be the same thing.
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And he would spar he would spar a lot.
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Mhmm.
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Tyler was sparring a hundred rounds a week. So he was sparring 20 rounds a day for five days in a row. So And he would bring in fresh sparring partners too. It’s not like one guy he’s beaten up for 20 rounds. Now he’d bring in he would rotate five different sparring partners.
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So they would all come in and and do four rounds
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of do that too kinda? Perhaps.
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I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know exact we Khabib ai had unbelievably grueling training sessions and, you know, that was one of the things that was so apparent, like, with his his endurance and his his their discipline was, like, second to none. Mhmm. They were, like, no girlfriends, no phones, no bullshit, no video games, fuck you, we train.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, recover, train. Eat, recover, train. And you wanna you wanna really be a champion, this is how you have to work.
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Mhmm.
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And this is how Islam Makhachev is so good, that’s why Khabib is so good. Those guys are are disciplined.
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So if I think about it, you know, we love stories like that. We love all the sparring, but it can’t it’s not gonna lead to a long life. No. I mean No. No. No. But is that the price to be a Rocky Marciano or a Khabib who has to retire at whatever he was, 32 or whatever? It’s ai, is that what it takes It probably does. To be icon to be legends?
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Yeah. You give up something to get something. Like, I don’t think
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you’d be yeah.
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I don’t think you’d be completely balanced to be and be the best ever. But, you know, it depends on how you’re doing it, you know. Like, the thing that’s so brilliant about Floyd Mayweather is that if you look at his career, he might have been really hit hard four or five times.
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Yeah.
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In his whole career, which is insanity. Mhmm. I mean, he really is only that’s Hagler.
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Yeah.
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In the snow, screaming war.
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Dude, I
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what what He is the best.
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Yeah. But so why do we love stories like this?
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Well, for meh, when I was a kid, Hagler was the man.
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Yeah. You
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know, when I was in high school
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But we still we still love them now. Yeah. I love, like, that clip you sent me yesterday.
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Oh, yeah.
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Or this.
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This clip is the same same, YouTube website. It’s Boxing Life, is that the YouTube channel? Sai really good channel. But, with the Hagler’s discipline was just it was so admirable. Like, he didn’t have to go fucking Cape Cod in the middle of the winter.
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Right.
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He did it because he wanted to be separate. He wanted to live a Spartan life. Look, he would run backwards
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Yeah.
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Throwing punches. And, that’s, I think that’s either Goody or Pat. The the Petronelli brothers were the guys who trained him. But, like, this is his workout. Six mile runs, steep hills, running backwards, breakfast, rest, watch TV film, late lunch, boxing training, strength and conditioning, dinner, watch film, and sleep, repeat, rinse.
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That’s it.
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Do it again day after day after day.
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That’s it. I ai I don’t see too much chill out in there.
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My favorite fight with him was against John the Beast Mugabe. Because everybody points to the Hearns fight where he beat the shit out of Hearns and KO’d him. Incredible. Incredible. Incredible knockout for sure. One of the best boxing matches. One of the best most entertain entertaining world championship fights of all time.
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But for me, it was Mugabe because Mugabe was uniquely talented. You you Mugabe had insane power. I remember I was at a boxing gym in Massachusetts. At the time, Mugabe was about to fight Hagler When Mugabe was coming up and they were telling me stories about Mugabe fighting guys and they never fought again.
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They had brain damage. Mhmm. You know, I don’t know how again, boxing gym talk, it’s hard to know. Yeah. But I remember being a kid listening to this going, what the fuck? Like, he hit that hard.
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Mhmm.
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Mugabe just was flattening people. Mhmm. See if you can find John Mugabe. Who did he k o? Did he k o Terry Norris? No. That was later. Who did John Mugabe fight that he knocked out? Best k o’s
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of John
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Let’s see. Let pull up John Mugabe’s record. So John Mugabe was ai almost okay. Here. Top John Mugabe greatest knockouts. He was almost like a Francis Ngannou guy where it’s like his power was just so crazy. You would watch him hit people and you go, what the fuck, man? Oh, this is Julian Jackson. Right? Is that who it is?
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I said something else.
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Pretty sure he KO’d Julian Jackson or maybe that was Terry no. Julian Jackson KO’d Terry Norris. But, you know, he just had just extraordinary power. Are they showing the KOs here? This is just a lot of boxing. Here it is. Here he goes. Oh. Yeah. God. Bro.
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He just had this one punch Never move. Knockout power. And when he fought Hagler, man, he caught Hagler with some big shots.
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Yeah.
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And one of the more impressive things about Marvin was not just that he was such a big puncher and a great boxer, but also how durable he was because he was in such incredible shape.
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Mhmm.
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You know, he never went down his entire career. He has one knockdown and it was 100% bullshit. He fought this guy named Juan Roldan, and when Hagler was bending over, Juan Roldan kinda cuffed him in the back of the neck and he fell forward Mhmm. And they called it a knockdown. It was not a knockdown.
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And most boxing experts I would I would actually argue that all boxing experts agree that that was not a real knockdown. So you’re talking about a guy who fought Tommy Hearns. He fought Did you
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see that last one?
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Yeah. It was a little illegal.
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A little on the knee.
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One knee down, he chaos him. Yeah. But the point is Mugabe was terrifying and he was fucking everybody up and Hagler broke him. But in the beginning, it was rough. In the beginning, it was rough. Mugabe was landing some big shots. See if you can find Mugabe well, I know it’s available.
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Mugabe versus Hagler. It was mean too, man. Like, hitting guys where they’re down.
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Yeah.
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Dangerous dangerous guy. And I don’t know if he fought again after Hagler KO’d him, but he was never never in the conversation again. Hagler broke him. Hagler told him he was gonna retire him. Like, I’m gonna retire him. He’s never gonna box again. And he just beat him down.
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And I think it was the eleventh round when he finally stopped him.
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Five eight and five nine.
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Yeah. One sixty. You know, that’s about right. You know, generally speaking for, you know, heavily muscled ai, especially back then, those guys were not cutting a lot of weight like they are today. Right. Ai, some of these guys today are are cutting big weight.
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God, Tyler looks good.
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Yeah. By the time the eighth round started happening, Hagler one of the things about Hagler that was so good was Haggar could switch. So he could fight you southpaw and then in the middle of nowhere, he would switch up and start fighting you orthodox and was just as good. Wow.
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Just as good. The only guy who’s like that is Terence Crawford, who’s champion now. Mhmm. He’s the only guy that I’ve ever seen that fights just as good from Southpaw as from Orthodox. But Hagler was a rarity back then, a guy that could switch it up like that. Like, nobody had ever seen that before. Yeah.
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But that’s also why it was very difficult for him to get fights early on because nobody really wanted to fight a southpaw. Like, southpaws were they were too awkward. Everything’s backwards.
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Yeah.
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And if you’re not used to fighting southpaws, they have an advantage because they’re always fighting orthodox people.
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Right. That makes sense.
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Yeah. And so they’re accustomed to that one look. Now, this fight had gone back and forth and back and forth. This is the end. This is when Hagler finally gets him. Boom. And that was it. And I think that was the eleventh or the twelfth round. I think it was the eleventh round of a 12 round fight.
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Sai Hagler fought in the era where they used to have 15 round fights and they turned them into 12 rounders after Dukkukim died when Ram seen he KO’d Dukkukim.
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Yeah. It’s a lot of damage. 15 rounds of headshots. Yeah, man.
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Well, I mean, I think that’s why Rocky Marciano retired when he was 32. And, you know, 49 and o Yeah. And 32 years old. He could’ve kept ai, could’ve kept making money. 32 is your athletic prime. That’s what I’m thinking.
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Like, in you know, Khabib did the same thing. And when I I I just love seeing those training camp videos carrying the rocks and running the mountains. And it’s just ai but, you know, back to my point, why do we love that? Just because it’s so primal Yeah. Or and it’s just just men just giving everything they have. Yeah. It’s it’s ai it’s in it’s one reason why Goggins is such a draw. Yeah. You know?
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He he’s sort of like that.
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Oh, he’s very much like that. But the craziest thing about Goggins is he’s not even training for anything. I asked him about it. He goes, I’m downloading downloading information. I’m like, you’re downloading? What are you downloading?
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This is so crazy. We were talking about the
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video that he that, Stylebender just put out. Shout out to Stylebender for putting this out too. We were also giving him credit because Respect. Because David broke him.
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The higher we go because if they’re hurting me That comment. You’re hurting me. If you are willing to go to another level higher, Where your world ends, mine begins.
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Where your world ends, mine begins. Keep going. And this is one of Goggins’ multiple workouts of the day that he took Stylebender through.
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There’s Stylebender’s off the
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Yeah. And he’s they’re helping him back up. By the way, this is after they already ran. This is, like, the second this is the third thing they did. They ram, then they did the Ai bike, and then they’re doing this. So they’re doing sprints on the aerodyne bike. They ran for distance.
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I don’t know how many miles they ram, but he was exhausted after the run, then exhausted after the aerodyne, and then he does this, and then they do it all over again.
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Yeah.
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They start again with the fucking air ai machine. They go back and forth and then it goes to sit ups and then it goes to it just ai it never ends. And this is and then people go, he’s not doing that every day. Well, fucking clearly he is.
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Every day.
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Clearly he is because look at him. He’s not even breathing heavy. Stylebender is dying and David Goggins is talking to him with normal breath. Mhmm. At the same time, a world champion, one of the greatest middleweights of all time, can’t even keep his food down.
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And remember, this is Stylebender who against Kevin Gaslum was saying, I’m prepared to die.
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Yeah.
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Going into the fifth round Yeah. Looks across the ring, cage, sai, I’m prepared to die. Same guy.
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Same guy. Yeah. There’s levels when it comes to endurance.
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You know,
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and I was telling you about when we’re getting our infusions, when we’re vaping stem cells today. I was telling you about BJ Penn when he was in his prime. When BJ Penn was in his prime, he was training with, Marv Marinovich. And Marv Marinovich had very unorthodox training methods where it was all plyometrics, explosive drills, sprints, box jumps, all this crazy stuff, and he believed, I’m I’m hope I’m not quoting him incorrectly, but he believed that fight training was of secondary importance when you’re in ram, and really what was important is to just have a fucking insane gas tank.
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Like, BJ Penn knows how to fight. He’s a world champion. He’s not gonna forget how to ai, but you could get him training this way where you have this gas tank that’s just insane. And when BJ Penn was training with him, he was unstoppable, man. Mhmm.
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He was ai I always say this, like, people talk about Khabib being the greatest lightweight of all time and maybe he is. It’s very possible he is. But I would put the BJ Penn that fought Joe Daddy Stevenson, the BJ Penn that fought Sean Shirk, the BJ Penn that was, like, in that peak when he was training with the I would put him against anybody.
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Mhmm. Against anybody. Against d when he fought Diego Sanchez, he couldn’t be stopped. And if you got him to the ground, his fucking submission game was insane. It was insane off of his back. He would take your back. You’re dead. He would knock you out standing up. His kickboxing was elite.
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And he
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How do you think Khabib would
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fight him? Take him down for sure. He’d probably fight him the same way George Saint Pierre did, you know. But the difference in size between BJ Penn and George St. Pierre is pretty significant.
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Right.
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BJ Penn was really a hundred and fifty five pound guy who actually later in his career fought one forty ai.
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Mhmm.
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When he later, you know, which is, you know, when he was kind of at the end of his career. But the but, you know, but George is way bigger. Ai, George was a big one seventy. Big muscular one seventy with great ai
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Right shoulders.
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Nasty ground and pound, and a black belt in jujitsu himself. And also a really good striker. And just, you know, in his prime when he was so well rounded.
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Yeah.
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And there was also accusations of greasing, you know, because, you know, George was very slippery Yeah. In that ai, which is, if you’re a grappler, another person you can’t get a hold of him, especially if you’re a guy like BJ who fights so well off of his back. Yeah. BJ’s legs were like arms where he could be sitting there without using his hands. He could put his feet in the lotus position.
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So, like, completely cross and lock his legs in the lotus position without using his hands at all. Woah. Yeah. Crazy flexibility and dexterity.
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Yeah.
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So if you were trapped in his guard, you were fucked.
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Yeah. You see those guys who they’re on their they’re on their back, and they get their leg up around Mhmm. The guy with the top positions head
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Yeah.
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Somehow, you know, just
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When you’re in, like, Eddie Bravo ram the ball at? It’s terrifying. Eddie Bravo has the craziest guard I’ve ever been in. It’s so nuts. And there’s a bunch of Eddie students ai Jeremiah Vance who also have these, like, insane guards like that. There’s certain guys where, like, if you’re if they’re on their back, it’s no picnic. Ai, Fabricio Verdum, he tapped Fedor Emilian Enko from his back.
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He got him in an armbar triangle from his back.
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Yeah. Like Well, you could tell, like, if we talk about a recent fight, Chandler versus Patty Pimblett, Chandler didn’t really wanna be on the ground with Patty. No. And Chandler’s a wrestler. Like, he loves being on top, but still he had top position and was still nervous about doing stuff, it seemed like. I don’t know. Yes.
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Well, Patty But it seems like it.
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Patty’s a big lightweight. He really is. I mean, I know he gets real fat in between ai
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kick out of
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it, but he’s big.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. He’s he’s big. You know, he’s a lot bigger than people think. I always say that he tricks people by dancing and having silly hair and you go, oh, that’s a killer. He’s, like, tricking you. He’s, like, you know, he’s, like, one of them them bugs that pretends to stick When you get closer, it jacks you.
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Yeah. Yeah. He looked he looks so good. He’s really good. Which Ai, you know, I’m, you know, channel I love Chandler. Love Chandler. That was a tough one to watch.
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I I love Chandler as well. That’s a
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fight. Yeah.
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I love Patty as well. Patty is very impressive. Yeah. You know, there’s an argument
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all of them.
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That the last three guys he fought, Bobby Green, Chandler, and, Tony Ferguson, like, he’s fighting guys with losing records Mhmm. Which is true. You know, that is true. But it it’s still very impressive. What he did to Chandler in comparison to, like, what Oliveira did, like, Oliveira was in real trouble in the third round of their last fight. Real trouble.
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And real trouble in the first round of their first fight. Yeah. And Patty was never in trouble.
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Chandler was this close to having that belt Yes.
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In their first fight. This close in the first round. This close. Yeah. And, maybe just got yeah. Sure. Thank you. Maybe just got a little overzealous in that fight.
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Yeah. He was excited. I ai, obviously
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In the second round. Who wouldn’t be? Yeah. But, also, Olivera is a master. Oh, shah. He’s so good.
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01:05:31
Well, that his fight against, Ai think, Arya. Right?
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Mhmm.
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01:05:35
Was so So good. Yeah. I was watching those guys fight, and I’m just like, I’ve never seen two guys this crisp, good, technical, just never out of position hardly.
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And Charles almost caught him twice in two very close submission attempts.
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Looks like
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he was out at at one time. He wasn’t moving.
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Well, he got it. He was pretty locked in, but it he wasn’t out, but it was very close.
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Oh, yeah.
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I
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mean Very close. I think he should’ve won that fight. In my opinion, those positions where Charles had where you were that close to finishing a fight count for a lot. Yeah. And I think that’s part of the problem with scoring system. It’s one thing if you, like, go for a guillotine, the guy gets out of it immediately, you’re on your back, getting beat up.
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01:06:14
That submission attempt, that’s not that much. When a guy has a fully locked in Darce choke and you’re almost out and you get saved by the belt, that should count for a lot.
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01:06:23
What’s the best position for a Darce? Because they were both ai of flat on the ground.
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01:06:28
Yeah. There’s a bunch of different ways you can catch a Darce, but with the way a Darce works is, like, say if you have an underhook, which means your left arm is wrapped around my waist. What I sana do is shove my arm under your armpit sai it pops out the side of your neck. Then I wanna wrap my bicep around like this. Mhmm.
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01:06:47
So I lock my arm around one side of your neck in this, and then I’m squeezing. Yeah. So that’s Tony Ferguson. He had a nasty, nasty darce.
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Yeah.
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His Tony’s darce was elite because Tony has long you see him catching it standing up there.
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Yeah.
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Tony has long arya, and he’s strong as fuck. And he’s got, like, a a great grappling base because he started off as a wrestler.
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Oh, there yeah. Sai, there’s Charles.
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Is that Charles is up on top right there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because that that’s what I sai saying. They’re kinda laying both Mhmm. Flat. I just didn’t know what was best.
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Well, that’s not ideal. Ideal is when you get the guy on his back, and then you could lock, like, the Dustin Poirier one where Islam has him. See how Dustin in the Yeah. The lower right hand corner? Yeah. That’s it right there. So that’s him against, go a little higher there. That’s that’s, Hanato Moicano.
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But one of the things you see about Islam, he’s sai very unique way of doing the DARS, is Islam grabs his own wrist like this to finish it Yeah. Whereas other guys go all the way down to the bicep. Bicep. And the thing about grabbing the wrist like that that’s really good is you can make it a little bit tighter in a situation where you can’t ai, some guys, they have too much bulk and maybe your arms are too short.
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01:08:08
Yeah.
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You can’t
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get the well, like, having long arms is really important for a Darce. Ai, Jon Jones must have a wicked Darce because you can get the arms all the way through if they’re long
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01:08:17
Yeah.
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Then you can cinch it up. But Islam cinches it up actually by grabbing a hold of his wrist. Mhmm. And so it gives you extra space and the grip that he uses is incredibly tight. He’s also insanely strong.
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01:08:31
Who? Who is it?
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01:08:33
Islam. Islam is insanely strong. Ai, he’s got that sort of elite grappling strength that comes from decades of throwing human bodies around. Yeah. There’s a thing about that. Like, here is is Demetrius Johnson says, I felt it. I know. Fucking Max Holloway just texted meh. How strong is that Darce? Like, that’s that’s a sick Darce. Oh.
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01:08:55
Islam is elite.
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01:08:56
Yeah.
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He’s elite when it comes to, like, strangling people. So is Arya Toporia. He’s got a nasty Darce too.
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01:09:03
Is meh ai?
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I don’t know.
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01:09:05
Oh, that never got signed?
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01:09:06
It’s the word is and this is only from the Internet. This is not from Sana. And if he told me he’d probably tell me not to tell anybody, so I won’t tell you. But the word on the Internet is that Ilya plans to fight in the June card, the big international fight week card at the June.
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01:09:24
Whether or not it’s for the title, he said he’s only fighting for the title. That’s what he said. Unless meh said Sana McGregor. He said I’d fight Conor McGregor or the title. Mhmm. I think he’s just fight Conor McGregor because he knows the the numbers would be fucking insane. Yeah.
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01:09:38
Millions of dollars.
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01:09:39
How how,
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01:09:41
But it doesn’t mean he’s fighting Islam. Because Islam might sai, I’m gonna go up to one seventy.
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01:09:46
Right. Yeah.
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01:09:46
Like, here’s what could happen, because Islam’s been talking about fighting one seventy. If Bilal Mohammed, who’s the current welterweight champion, who’s gonna fight Jack Della Maddalena, which is only in, like, a couple of weeks. Right?
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01:09:59
Mhmm.
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01:09:59
When is that? When is that one?
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01:10:01
Yeah. That’s coming up.
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01:10:03
They might hold that announcement until that fight. Mhmm. So Islam and Bilal were training partners. And apparently, Khabib does not want Islam to fight Bilal.
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01:10:14
Mhmm.
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01:10:14
But if Bilal loses to Jack Della Matilina, then it’s a no brainer.
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01:10:19
What why do you why doesn’t he not sana him to fight
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01:10:22
him? Next Saturday?
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Not this, but next.
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May 10. Yeah. So it’s real soon. So all they would have to do is hold off their announcement until May.
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01:10:30
I see.
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So if Bilal wins, then there’s an issue because Khabib does not want Islam apparent allegedly, apparently, doesn’t want him fighting because they’re brothers, you know, they train together.
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01:10:41
Oh, yeah. Oh, I see.
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But Islam’s big. I mean, he easily could be fighting at one seventy. It’s probably torture for him to get down to one fifty five.
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01:10:49
Yeah.
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Whenever I interview him, I’m like, how are you one fifty five? This is so crazy.
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01:10:53
That that would show rough weight cuts for him, it seems like.
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01:10:56
It’s rough. Yeah. He’s big. He’s probably one ninety plus. Look at that. Boom. Oh, yeah. Islam sai, I’m gonna submit you with that because that’s your that’s your thing. Islam says or excuse meh, Ilya says that he’s gonna submit Islam with whatever his favorite move is. He’s ai, tell me your favorite choke. Tell me your favorite submission.
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01:11:13
That’s what I’m gonna submit you with. Yeah. You know? It’s easy to say. You know? That’s a that’s an elite level and a lot bigger.
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01:11:23
Yeah. I was gonna I was gonna ask, like, you know, how hard is it or who is the next star? Because, you know, we kinda saw this with Rhonda when she was coming out of the women’s division. It’s like, who is the next star gonna be? Connor, still people are trying to call Connor out because they know of that money that’s involved with it. How do we get that next superstar?
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01:11:48
Well, they have to win. You know? It was Sugar Shah O’Malley could have had it if he beat Marab, you know? But that was a nightmare matchup, and he had a fucked up hip going into that fight, which is it’s one of those things UFC was putting on this big show with the sphere, which was insane.
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By the way, if they ever do one again, you gotta go. Yeah. The fucking Sphere is crazy.
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Yeah.
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I remember watching it. It’s so crazy.
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01:12:13
It’s like a total experience in and unto its I need to go to a concert there.
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01:12:16
Mhmm.
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01:12:17
It’s the most amazing venue I’ve ever seen in my ai, and it’s there’s not even a close second. Like, nothing’s close.
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01:12:23
Mhmm.
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There’s a really cool one in LA that just opened up that we did a LA card there a few months back. That was really good too. Mhmm. But it’s, like, one tenth of the sphere. The sphere is nuts.
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01:12:34
Yeah. Let’s It’s so nuts. It looked insane on on TV.
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01:12:38
And the sound the sound, you feel it through your fucking bones. So It’s wild.
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01:12:44
That was, like, last May 5, wasn’t it?
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I believe so.
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Yeah. Cinco de Mayo.
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01:12:49
So, for him to take that fight with a bad hip is crazy. And I know he did it because he thought he could win anyway because he’s a champion and that’s how champions think. Yeah.
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01:12:59
You have to.
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01:13:01
But with a bad hip when you’re fighting a wrestler and you weren’t wrestling at all in training because your hips bad, that’s crazy. Vatsal ai you got you gotta get it fixed. Just get it fixed. Tell tell tell him tell him it blew out and you can’t walk. Get it fixed. You gotta think about the legacy in the future.
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01:13:17
And taking a fight against a guy who’s an elite grappler while you have a blown hip is kind of insane if you can’t grapple. Ai, it seems insane.
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01:13:28
Yeah. I mean But
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he could’ve won.
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01:13:29
I think it’s that mindset you had just have to have. It kinda can get you in trouble too.
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01:13:33
And you look at how good his takedown defense was against Aljamain Sterling. So Aljamain Sterling in the first round ai to take Sean down. He could not take him down. And that was a big factor. Like, Aljamain was in trouble. Because if you can’t take him down and Sean is a fucking ai.
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01:13:48
He’s a sniper. And he knows how to find that chin, man. He’s he’s got a pull right hand vatsal, like, from the textbooks. And the one he would hit Aljamie with, that’s on it’s gonna be in that UFC when they play The Who.
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Yeah.
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01:14:02
When they play, Bob O’Reilly, that’ll be on that forever. That is such a clean right hand.
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01:14:08
Yeah.
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It’s such a pullback. Boom.
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01:14:11
And he and Aljamine’s sock coming. Oh. You can see his face.
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Yeah. He’s like, oh, no. Oh, god. What have I done?
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01:14:17
I know.
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01:14:18
And I bet he thought he could do that to Merab too, and he might have been able to, but Merab is a different Merab is a different species of human. Sai, again, same kind of guy.
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01:14:27
I know. Same kind
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of guy.
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01:14:28
Sai, listen, I’ve had to we’ve been kinda dealing with this with with my kids and Truett and all this stuff he’s been doing, but I think those those fighters we’re talking about, it it just made me think of my kids. But when you start them at as kids, Like like, the guys ai Khabib, Dagestani guys, Murab, those guys have been training forever.
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01:14:54
Yep. Right?
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01:14:54
Yep. For sure. Forever.
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01:14:56
Yeah. For sure. That has to give you yeah. You have to have other abilities and talents and skills and this mindset. But when you start that early
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01:15:06
By the way, Rocky Marciano didn’t start boxing until he was 23.
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01:15:10
Okay. Well, there goes my theory.
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01:15:14
Ai, you know, he had one of his, amateur ai. He was exhausted. And so he vowed to never meh exhausted again.
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01:15:20
Yeah.
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01:15:21
He gassed out in a fight and he’s like never again. So he just decided he was good. But it’s also like, he was Italian from immigrant parents who barely could speak English.
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01:15:32
Yeah.
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01:15:33
And those people who came over on the boat, they were a different species.
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01:15:37
Right.
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01:15:37
They’re a different species of hard workers.
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01:15:39
Mhmm.
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01:15:39
Those people were tough and they demanded so much.
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01:15:43
Joey Diaz, immigrant mentality. Immigrant mentality, cocksucker. Yeah.
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01:15:48
I mean, that’s real. Immigrant mentality is a real thing. When you’ve come here from another country and you you see how hard your family works and this is just ai there’s no if, ands, or buts.
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01:15:57
Mhmm.
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01:15:58
I was telling the story about this guy that I used to train with that always make me feel lazy. My friend, Jung Sai, he was in his residency in medical school while he was on the US national team. Sai, he was a national ai champion while he was going through medical school. Sai he was going to school twelve hours a day and still training.
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01:16:18
And he would put his books in his backpack and run stairs in between studying. That’s how you get in shape sometimes. And then he would come to the gym exhausted and fuck everybody up. It was amazing. And I was I remember thinking, like, I’m so lazy.
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01:16:32
Yeah.
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Ai, I thought and I wasn’t lazy.
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01:16:35
But, like, compared to that dude, I was lazy.
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01:16:37
Yeah. How I just that’s what fascinates me because, you know, I’ve talked to Huberman about Courtney in regard in this regard too. It’s ai willpower. Yeah. Like, will how what gives somebody more willpower than another person?
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01:16:54
It’s hard to say because according to Goggins, he forged that, and he has more will than any human being that’s ever walked the face of the planet. Mhmm.
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01:17:01
And he
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used to be a lazy fuck. He’ll tell you. He’ll tell you, Ai was lazy. I was fat.
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01:17:05
I
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was three hundred pounds. I drank milkshakes all day.
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01:17:07
Mhmm.
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01:17:08
Like, he’ll tell you.
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01:17:09
Yeah.
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01:17:09
Ai, and then he decided that that’s not him anymore. And then he decided it better than anybody who ever has. So it’s not like he had some genetic gift of will. Yeah. That’s not the case. He forged it.
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01:17:21
And this, you know, Huberman talks about this, whatever that part of
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01:17:25
your brain.
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01:17:25
Yeah. That you can grow. So is it that that anybody can develop this willpower?
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01:17:30
Well, I think Goggins proves that because he’s, again, he’s he’s the goat. He’s the goat when it comes to, like, will. And people don’t know what Goggins was doing with Izzy. Goggins has two destroyed knees. K. I had dinner with him in Vegas A Few Weeks back, and he showed me, like, some recent x rays of his knees because he got some fucking new thing in his knee to, like, to keep his bones from fucking smashing into each other.
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01:17:56
Some post that they put at the top of one of his knees because his cartilage is missing and his fucking meniscus is blown out, and they saw the top of his bone and shifted it down and screwed it in place because his knee was all out of alignment because he would been running bone on bone so long that his his bones were starting to just it’s ai called wolf something syndrome.
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01:18:17
And his doctor sai, I’ve never seen it in a human being before. Like, this is fucking insane. Like, how do how are you walking on these knees? Forget about running thousands of miles. Yeah. But he does it. He just does it. Right?
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01:18:30
And if that guy will tell you that he didn’t have any willpower
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01:18:34
Mhmm.
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01:18:34
And then he was fat and lazy, and then decided that it’s not gonna be that anymore and then put himself through grueling strength conditioning, became a Navy Speak. Yeah. And then Oh, police. Look at hey. Look at he’s laughing.
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01:18:49
I will bring to me. Come on in. Let’s see how much of a joke this is. And guess what? I’ve got this alone. I’m alone. I ain’t got no body. That’s where this shit comes from. I ain’t got nobody to push this up. That’s my darkness. That’s why I laugh at these motherfuckers.
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01:19:03
Think they fucking know me? You think you know me coming to my dungeon? It’s a lonely dungeon because you’re gonna do the shit alone. Everyday? I’m training this hard by yourself? Come on, man. Yeah. And this is you see me breathing heavy? Imagine the bill of my go to.
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01:19:19
Somebody call the police. Good joke, Ai. I mean, how do you not admire that? Look. Oh, he is psycho. I love it.
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01:19:28
He is psycho. I love it. Yeah. Sai ai psycho. I sai, we we joke around about, you know because he says it’s so easy to be great nowadays because everybody else is weak. That’s what Dawkins says. Right?
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01:19:39
Interesting.
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01:19:40
And it’s ai, when you talk about yeah. We talk about generations, and you’ve mentioned it a million ai, good times, creates off, all that whole thing. But I said, well, we got one. We got Truett. So we got the we got one kid who’s who’s still getting it done. So
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01:19:55
Well, your son learned from you. I mean, that’s a great example of, you know, he’s grew up in an environment where his father was regularly running these hundred mile races and regularly running 13 miles in the morning before work. Like, you were doing all that stuff and you were setting an example.
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01:20:12
I was gonna show you something.
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01:20:14
And then he sees how far it takes you in ai. Yeah.
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01:20:16
You
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01:20:17
know? He you’ve gotten here by just force of will.
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01:20:21
Yeah. And when when I Truett sent me this today. So this is his first half marathon. Can you see that?
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01:20:27
Oh, wow. He’s a little kid.
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01:20:29
Wow. But he still ran eight minute miles in that.
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01:20:33
That’s incredible. Sai a little kid.
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But but, anyway, that’s ai that’s what I was saying about when you start that early with stuff like that.
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You’re used to it. Yeah. Yeah. But then again, Goggins, you know, will tell you different or Rocky Marciano will tell you different.
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01:20:49
Like,
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he didn’t. I don’t think there’s a hard fast rule. Look at that. Look at you guys.
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01:20:55
That was his first marathon there.
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That’s so cute. Yeah. You there’s no hard fast rules. Like, yes, it’s definitely beneficial. As far as skill development, this is what I’ve always said about striking in particular. There’s something about learning striking while your body is maturing and you’re young is way better than learning striking once you’re an adult.
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01:21:18
Because you said that with your with your kick.
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01:21:21
Yeah.
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Because your body was changing as you develop that kick and mastered it.
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01:21:25
Exactly. Ai was kicking in all kicks, you know. It’s not ai that’s the only one that I I’m really elite at. I I’m, you know, I learned how to kick when I was like a little gangly little kid. Mhmm. And I learned like and that my body grew strong, my tendons grew strong from hitting this 50 pound heavy bag every day.
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01:21:45
Like, as a little kid,
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01:21:47
it
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01:21:47
was whap whap whap. And I basically lived in the gym. So I was kicking that bag hours every day. I was just constantly setting it up in training. I was constantly setting up moves until I got them, like, where it’s, like, instinctive. Like, I didn’t even know it was happening before it happened.
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01:22:02
Like, when I was in a fight, it would just come out.
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01:22:04
Mhmm.
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01:22:04
Like, when you see the opening, you’re not even seeing it. You’re just moving.
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01:22:07
Yeah.
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01:22:07
It’s ai it all goes into
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this Instinct.
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And the only way that happens is just insane hours, insane hours, constant dedication.
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01:22:17
But at but as your body was growing Yes. And you’re putting that the stressors on it and those those movements on it, your body adapted essentially. So it’s ai, if you’re already mature, your body wouldn’t have adapted the same as
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it
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did because you’re doing it at at the perfect age.
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01:22:33
You can get really good if you’re a really good athlete and you pick up striking later in life, but you’re not gonna get Floyd Mayweather. Good.
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01:22:39
I don’t think.
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01:22:40
I’ve never seen it. Rocky Marciano even wasn’t Floyd Mayweather level. He was just a mauler. He was just And he would never stop.
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01:22:50
Couldn’t hurt him.
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01:22:51
You couldn’t hurt him. His endurance was insane. The volume was insane. You know, he would just make guys rethink their whole lives because he’d be ai, what the fuck, man? Like, fuck that guy. That guy’s out there? I don’t want that.
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You know, like, he just
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never stopped. But he wasn’t like, Floyd was an a master. He was a master in there. He would stand right in front of you and you couldn’t hit him. Stand stood right in front of Canelo Alvarez, and Canelo couldn’t do shit with him.
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01:23:18
Mhmm.
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01:23:18
And Canelo Alvarez, a world champion, one of the best ever. He couldn’t do shit with Floyd.
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01:23:24
Yeah. I mean, do you think that would be less intimidating ai somebody like that because he didn’t have that power, ai, the knockout power?
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01:23:31
And he also had brittle hands. Like, Floyd’s broken his hands multiple times.
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01:23:35
You knew you weren’t sana just gonna get
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01:23:37
Mauled. Mauled.
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01:23:38
You wouldn’t get Mugabe. Right. Right.
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01:23:40
You’re gonna it’s you’re not gonna be able to hit him, and it’s gonna sana. It’d be frustrating. But
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But he doesn’t hit like Hagler.
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01:23:46
You’re not gonna be at a pool of blood.
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01:23:47
Right. Right. Right. He’s not gonna beat you down and stop you. Like, the thing about Hagler was, like, Hagler didn’t mind getting hit because his chin was iron. He didn’t mind and he wanted to smile at you when you hit him. And one of the things he said about Mugabe after the fight, they said it seemed like Mugabe caught you with a big shot. He goes, oh, yeah.
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01:24:04
I like when that stuff happens. I like a good fight. This is what he said after he knocked him out. And, like, when when the ring announcer was saying, the winner ends still the undisputed middleweight champion of the world. Hagler’s, like, saying it out loud to himself.
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01:24:18
The undisputed middleweight champion of the world. And that’s the guy that just went through hell for months in the snow at the Cape Cod, and then he just beats the scariest fucking guy in the division. And at that point in time, this is before the Leonard ai, he was talking about retiring.
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01:24:34
And you’d have to know if you were a fighter in his division or potentially gonna fight him and you saw that after a war and then you see him acting like that, you’re probably just like
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01:24:43
Bro, when he knocked out Mugabe, it was an outdoor ai, and speak was coming off of his head.
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01:24:48
Oh, I could just Like,
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01:24:50
wet at the end of the fight, see if you can go to the the end of the fight when Mugabe drops and they raise his hand and he’s celebrating as he’s celebrating and walk around, steam is coming off of his head. Yeah. He’s a monster.
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01:25:04
Those those I don’t know. I’m addicted to these fucking video viral clips because so now I got two of them you just ai me of. There’s one have you ever heard of Badwater? It’s it’s called Badwater 135, I think, but it’s a race in Death Valley.
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01:25:20
Yes.
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Okay. So so Goggins did that, and it gets, like, a 30 degrees where you have to because it’s on the highway through Dead Death Valley. So you have to run, like, on the white line sai your your shoes don’t melt. Oh my god. Ai of all white because it’s so hot, but it gets a 30 degrees.
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01:25:37
So Goggins, his first time doing that, he’s got, you know, his physical issues ai always, but he finishes. He gets third place, I believe. They come up to him and they’re like, so how was what was it like out there? How was the heat? And he just was, like, sitting there just in the in his chair like ai, and he looks at the camera. He’s just like, didn’t notice. Didn’t notice.
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01:25:59
It was a 30 degrees. That one is just I love that one.
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01:26:04
But that’s that’s real. What do you got there? What was that, Jamie?
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01:26:12
Gavins is described as one of the toughest men on the planet. His loyal man has joined to complete a new training.
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01:26:19
Why why why is this that’s terrible. Ai do they have music so much louder than
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01:26:25
ai talking? That. I hate that. So there’s there’s
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01:26:28
Didn’t even notice it.
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01:26:29
Yeah. There’s that one. Yeah. Steam.
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01:26:32
It is the here’s the Hagrid one. Okay.
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01:26:34
See look at the speak. Sai his
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01:26:36
steam coming off
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01:26:37
his head? Look at that. That’s so insane. Come on. Fucking steam.
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01:26:41
What is it about just people being shredded and just weapons?
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01:26:47
Well, it’s just inspirational. Man, it makes you wanna go to the gym. I mean, when I see Goggins making Izzy puke and break
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01:26:53
Yeah.
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01:26:53
It makes me wanna work out. I mean, when I talk to you, it makes me wanna work out. When I know that you’re out there running 13 ai, when you were when you had your full time job. Mhmm. Boy, ai I try to talk you out of that for so long? You did.
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You did. It’s it’s crazy.
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I tried to talk you out of that job for years. I was like, dude, you’re wasting money being there. I know you think it’s a good job, but you’re wasting money. But the point is Yeah. You were working out so much while you had a full time job. Ai mean, most people just don’t have that kind of willpower. And when someone does, it’s like super inspirational to everybody else. We feed off each other.
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01:27:29
Humans feed off of each other. When I see a guy like Goggins or I watch a haggler video of him training, it’s just fuel, man. It just it just to me, it just pumps my blood up. I
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01:27:41
Mhmm.
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01:27:41
I don’t wanna go hit the bag, man. I wanna go work out, like, right now. Like, I see that and but that’s I’ve always used that as fuel. As a positive. Always read autobiographies about fighters and watched videos and and watched them talk and just to me, it’s always, like, been it’s like wood.
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01:28:01
Just throw it on the fire. It’s more fuels. Like, whoo. Without I ai, but this is the craziest thing about Goggins. Like, he ain’t got nobody doing that for him. It’s all in his own fucked up head.
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01:28:14
Yeah. There there’s another clip where this guy they’re doing you know, they do these big events, speaking events. And so he was sitting there and the ai the guys, like, interviewing ai. He’s like, so you you run for hours and hours, don’t you? And he just looked he again, looks at him just like he’s got masters this delivery, but he just looked at him.
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01:28:34
He’s just ai out, know, something ai hours, days. He runs for days and days. So not hours. What are you talking about? Fucking hours. Days.
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01:28:43
Yeah. What did he do? Like, ninety nine one hundred mile or wait. How many 100 milers has he done in his life?
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01:28:50
Oh, he had the world record. He did eight one hundred mile races or, like, eight consecutive weekends. So it was something like that, which normally you know, you do a hundred ai, you’re banged up for a while. I would imagine. A hundred miles is a lot. So he’s doing them I think it was eight consecutive weekends.
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01:29:12
Yeah. Most people can’t even do eight marathons.
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01:29:15
Oh, god, dude. Eight marathons? Yeah.
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01:29:17
Did you ever see Eddie Ift? No. Or excuse me, Eddie Izzard.
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01:29:21
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out
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01:29:22
to Eddie Ift. Eddie Izzard, the comedian from The UK who likes to wear women’s clothes Mhmm. He did this thing in ai in the February where he ran a marathon every day and he had no training. Mhmm. He wasn’t in shape at all. He just did it through sheer will.
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01:29:43
Yeah.
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01:29:44
And he I think he did it, like, twenty nine days in a row. Yeah. It’s something insane like that.
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01:29:47
He did it twice.
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01:29:49
He did it twice. Okay. He’s completed 43 marathons in fifty one days. Mhmm. That’s in 02/2009.
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01:29:55
And then
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01:29:56
Oh, it says she. See, this thing about calling him she is he doesn’t call himself she.
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01:30:01
Uh-huh.
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01:30:01
He still refers to himself as as as Eddie. Yeah. And he says Ai a he, and I like ladies. I don’t know why they’re saying she unless he’s changed things since or she’s changed or whatever. Either way, respect. Super cool person too.
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01:30:17
Yeah.
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01:30:18
Done two podcasts with him, her, the, them, whatever the fuck it is. I love him to death. But, one of them ai he was on a treadmill, like
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01:30:26
Really? You did not have
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01:30:27
He ai a he at the time. So I was allowed to say he, at the time.
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01:30:30
I’m glad you’re getting this all worked out. Because when I wanna tell these stories, I gotta figure out when he is he and she and
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01:30:37
I think I did his podcast, and he was, doing ai while he was on a treadmill. Mhmm. And he was running like hundreds of miles. He’s ai, you know, but just through force of will. Completed oh, it’s her latest endurance. Look at that. Eddie Izzard completes her late like, what are we doing?
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01:30:56
This time, 32 marathons in thirty one days.
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01:30:59
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It’s, It’s so kooky. It it well But
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01:31:07
Ai mean, that’s really impressive too because this is a person that’s not in shape. Ai, when they started doing it. When he started doing the first meh, when he ran all around The UK and ram like a marathon a day, there’s a documentary about it and the documentary is pretty incredible because he’s not in shah at all and he’s just breaking himself down and his feet are falling apart.
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01:31:28
I bet.
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01:31:28
Like, it’s ai the bottom of his feet are just raw. It’s just blood and tissues and they’ve got gauze wrapped in between the toes. It’s oozing. I mean, they’re just destroyed.
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01:31:39
I bet.
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01:31:39
One day he had to take a day off because it was that bad.
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01:31:42
You think about it because that was one of the questions Sai did this podcast about this coca donut race coming up, and they said, you know, how many steps do you think it’ll take to finish the race? So and that that just reminds me of, so if it’s 250 miles, it’s it’s gin my guess was is generally about 2,000 steps a mile, so 500,000 steps.
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01:32:01
But point is is 500,000 steps on your feet, that’s gonna cause some damage.
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01:32:08
Oh, yeah.
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01:32:09
You know what I mean? So part of this training for big multi day ultras is time on feet. Ai, I because I was injured, I I couldn’t train like I normally train, so I’m like, okay. I’m just gonna go out and spend time on my feet. And so I did last speak, a 50 miles, which was 22 miles a day, but I couldn’t run because I’ve been injured.
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01:32:31
So it was ai I was power hiking and kind of a saloni run, so it took fucking forever. But I’m just, like, time on my feet. So I was out there to do that. I was thirty seven hours of training last night.
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01:32:43
Sai your foot must be getting worse if that’s the case. If
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01:32:45
you could It does my hamstring. Oh. Yeah. So my because I was in, like, the best shape I’ve ever been in. I was supposed I was gonna go to Boston to get my best marathon time. Everything was tracking good. Me and True were training, running hard. He was just ai I’m on one of his videos. He’s like, my goal is to get in the two thirties for the marathon for him.
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01:33:05
And he’s like, but, actually, I think that should be your goal because I can’t keep up with you. I was running so good and then speak the hamstring. So now if I try to open up and run, like, a six minute mile, it kinda reaggravates it. So I’ve been trying to be patient, not push it, but I needed time on my feet was my point. Mhmm.
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01:33:23
Because just as Eddie illustrated in that, if your if your feet aren’t toughened up, that’s that’s your contact point.
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01:33:32
And that’s why you run with no socks on too.
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01:33:34
Right? Right.
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01:33:34
You want them to get kinda like a brace.
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01:33:37
It’s still it’s ai that sai many steps on your body. Mhmm. So there’s there’s joints. Like, there’s this great documentary that just came out out on last year’s Cocodona two fifty, and it’s called the chase because they they went with four, like, four guys.
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01:33:53
It’s already at the chase. Yeah.
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01:33:54
Yeah. And it’s really good, but the four guys they follow here,
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01:34:00
Brother, looks like hell. Yeah. All those people in hell together. Yeah. So that’s
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01:34:04
that’s yeah. Photographer there. That’s Mike McKnight right there. All these legends of two hundreds.
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01:34:15
I saw someone climbing a mountain here.
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01:34:16
What is that?
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01:34:18
Is that part of it? Shut the fuck up. Is that part of it?
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01:34:21
That’s in the same country, but that’s just one of the key runners. That’s what he does during his his runs. What? Yeah.
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01:34:28
During his runs tour? Yeah. Take a little speak?
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01:34:31
He ai he climb all the way. He climbs in the in the film. He climbs this whole fucking thing to the top.
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01:34:37
Oh my god. And so that are different.
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01:34:40
Yeah. They but the point is is, like, that’s the guy who is climbing right there.
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01:34:46
What an animal.
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01:34:46
Yeah. These guys are just studs, but the but here’s the thing. So they had these guys, Jeff Browning right there, legend. He’s won, like, 30 mile races. That’s Joe Stringbean, McConaughey.
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01:34:58
What’s the guy’s name that climbs?
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01:35:00
That’s Michael verse Verstage is his name, I think. It’ll probably show there’s there’s Ai. So it’ll show him coming up ai there.
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01:35:08
There he is.
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01:35:09
That guy.
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01:35:09
Oh, he looks like a psycho.
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01:35:10
No. He’s just he just that’s that’s
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01:35:14
He looks he’s got dead eyes.
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01:35:15
To me, that’s ultra run ai, the dirtbag ultra runner. Mhmm. That’s what I love about it.
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01:35:21
Right.
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01:35:21
I love guys like that. This guy is ai I don’t know if he’s Amish or whatever. He’s from Ohio. Doesn’t he live around mountains? Just a freak. So you get these these people out there to race this 250 miles. You don’t know what the hell is gonna happen. Every person they just showed there did not win.
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01:35:38
Wow.
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01:35:39
A guy who they didn’t show won because so much crazy things can happen to your body. Mhmm. And and you you don’t you cannot predict who that is.
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01:35:50
17 year old just finished twelfth? That’s crazy. Yeah. That’s crazy.
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01:35:56
Yeah. I didn’t I didn’t know that. That’s that’s impressive.
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01:36:01
That’s impressive. That kind of will for a 17 year old For sure. Oh ai god. That kid’s gonna be unstoppable. Sai that goes to show you, ai, there are hard people out there Mhmm. Still, even in these soft ass ai. Yeah. There’s hard people out
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01:36:14
there. There is. Yeah. Like that I think they showed they’d done the through ai hike on the Arizona Trail as a family. That kid who’d who’d done it, and that was 800 miles since Arizona Trail. So a through hike is basically you’re just on the trail just as long as it takes.
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01:36:28
Oh,
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01:36:28
yeah. But that makes you tough.
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01:36:30
Oh, yeah.
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01:36:30
Every day on your feet. That that’s the thing. It’s ai, in that movie, these guys are just battling back and forth, passing each other, keeping track because you have the GPS tracker. You remember when me and Courtney did Moab? Mhmm. So people get addicted to this tracking.
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01:36:45
Right. Right.
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01:36:46
You know, my, I I know meh brother just did so, like, a month ago or maybe three weeks ago, it was called the Arizona Monster three hundred. A 300 mile race, my brother just got second. Wow. I was just tracking nonstop.
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01:37:02
That’s incredible. It’s so fun. 300 mile race and he got second. How much did the guy who won beat him by?
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01:37:08
Two hours. Jesus Christ. So he guy who won got eighty six hours. Taylor got eighty eight.
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01:37:17
That’s so nuts. Eighty eight hours is so crazy.
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01:37:21
Slept for four.
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01:37:23
That is so how long did it take him to recover?
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01:37:25
Three and a half days. I mean, probably, I’m sure he’s not recovered.
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01:37:29
Ever. It’s
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01:37:29
been a few weeks. I mean It’s so nuts. What I’ve said before is, like, those races I mean, exercising is good. That’s good for you. Those, not good. You you those aren’t making you live longer
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01:37:44
No.
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01:37:44
Pushing your body that hard.
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01:37:46
No. Ai can’t. I mean, it’s it’s ai you’re on death’s door.
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01:37:49
Yeah. I mean, you
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01:37:50
can only run for so long before eventually everything just breaks.
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01:37:53
The the cool part is Courtney’s doing this one.
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01:37:56
Oh, nice.
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01:37:57
She’s back to the February.
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01:37:58
She’s a fucking animal, dude. Yeah. Chin you’d never guess. Eats candy. All silly. Easy to talk to. Real fun. But somewhere in that brain, there’s some darkness I don’t know. Shah she can call upon.
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01:38:09
I’ve been trying to find it. You know? She came out. We we did I just released it on my YouTube, but we did, three hours or no. Three days, we did a hundred miles.
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01:38:19
She’s eating McDonald’s french fries. So this is a
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01:38:22
I know I had Trace bring us McDonald’s because we we stayed at Pisca for twelve hours and did, 15 summits, 50 ai, just up and down.
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01:38:31
Look at her. Just chilling, eating fries. She looks like an Instagram influencer. Yeah. You know, she doesn’t look like some psychopath that can run that far.
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01:38:40
No. So, yeah, we did this three days a hundred ai, and we did
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01:38:44
This is a McDonald’s commercial? Basically. Your fries stuffed in your pockets. I know. The perfect fuel, seed oils for runners. We need
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01:38:52
you need calories and salt. There’s my brother right there, Taylor. That’s who got third. Incredible. Sai this is his race. But, yeah, the point is is, like, we went so three days, and I’m, you know, this 41 miles down this day. You get to the last day, and I’m fucking beat up, dude. She never never got tired.
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01:39:15
And I’m like, she can do her run her little run at this, like, a nine minute mile pace forever.
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01:39:24
That’s so crazy.
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01:39:25
And I just don’t that’s where I’m like, this willpower, how does it work?
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01:39:30
Well, she famously went blind
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01:39:32
Yeah.
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01:39:33
And kept running and fell and cracked her fucking head and got up and kept running. And won. And won. Yeah. She’s a maniac. But it’s ai it’s not like this angry Goggins, like, who’s gonna gather the boats? Mhmm. Ai, a different kind of mental strength. She’s got her own thing, her own formula.
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01:39:51
Yeah. I don’t know if I told you this, but, so I was talking to her about when you get in these ultra races, I mean, it’s it’s pain is what mostly stops you. Right? It just hurts so bad to run. So I sai, she talks about the pain cave. Ai, shah so she goes into the pain cave and that’s, you know, she welcomes it. She’s not shying away from the pain. And I said, I go, okay.
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01:40:16
So in the what do you mean that you’re just, like, embracing the pain? She’s like, no. I’m I’m working in there. And so she’s explaining she’s got this chisel, and she’s hitting the chisel with a hammer. And I said I said, oh, so you’re not thinking about running?
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01:40:31
She’s ai, no. She’s, I’m thinking about hitting the chisel and she goes rocks falling down and piling up. I said, so that you’re thinking about that not running. She’s not not running at all. She’s thinking about working. So she she makes her brain think about making this cave bigger. And I’m like Woah.
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01:40:51
Sai, I said, is there, like, furniture and shit in
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01:40:55
the cave? She’s like, no. I said Plato’s cave?
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01:40:58
I said, but is it I said, is it the same cave every time, every race? She says, yeah. And I go, but I said, do you have, like, a extra like, a a wing for one specific race? Is is you work on this wing of the cave? She’s ai, yeah. Sometimes. So she’s in this cave thinking about chiseling rock.
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01:41:21
Making the cave larger.
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01:41:22
Making the cave larger and it and just and just expanding the pain cave. And I was just like I was blown awake. And she goes, I feel like I need to stop talking about this because the more I talk, the crazier I see. Well, I
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01:41:38
can’t I kinda think you have to be crazy to be great.
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01:41:40
I just
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01:41:41
I don’t think it comes to a normal person. I don’t I think there’s gotta be something going on. I mean, meh for her, it’s the pain cave. You know? Yeah. For Goggins, it’s who’s gonna carry the boats. You don’t know me, sana. Like, whatever it is, like, you gotta be crazy. And you have to ai, like, if you wanna beat Courtney in a 200 mile race, you gotta decide for years for years, you have to chase that.
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01:42:04
Oh, you’re not gonna do it tomorrow. It’s not gonna happen. Like, you’re gonna have to build up for years
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01:42:10
Right.
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01:42:10
To be able to do that. Yeah. And she’s gonna be building up along the way too, and so you probably never catch her.
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01:42:15
I don’t know. She looks, you know, she’s 40 now. Looks, like, better than she’s ever looked as far as, like, performance. You know, she’s I think she’s done one race this year, won it, broke the course record, and now she’s got this one coming up. So I don’t know.
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01:42:32
When she won the MOAB, she won the MOAB two forty. Right? Two forty. Yeah. How far away was she from the second place person?
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01:42:38
It’s, like, eight or ten hours. And I asked her about that too. Because because even that so if if you said, oh, you got you’re up by hours.
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01:42:50
Right.
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01:42:50
You just kinda up. Yeah. She pushed the whole time. So that’s what I that’s what I I am fascinated, and I just wanna know why. Right. How? What did she say? She just wants to do the best she can. She just wants to see what she sai she’s never racing anybody else. It’s always just how hard could she push herself.
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01:43:12
That’s interesting because that kind of eliminates the ego. Yeah. Because instead of battling with your ego, you’re just trying to do your best all the ai. Your best. You’re not racing against anybody else. You’re just trying to do your best.
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01:43:26
A lot of people say that. Right. A lot of people say that. I think she truly believes it.
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01:43:31
Right. I believe it she believes it too. Mhmm. And if you can just compete against yourself, like, again, back to Goggins. He’s not doing it for anything. Right. There’s not a thing that he’s got going on.
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01:43:43
Race coming up. Uh-uh. No. A lot of people have to have a goal to work towards.
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01:43:47
He told me he’s downloading information.
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01:43:49
Ai yeah. What is I don’t know what that means.
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01:43:51
That’s his own pain cave.
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01:43:52
Yeah. He’s downloading knowledge. So he’s still trying to get better is what it sounds like
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01:43:59
to me. He’s trying to figure out, ai, he’s developing his mind to be this unstoppable force, which it clearly is. Mhmm. It’s sai close to an unstoppable force as I’ve ever seen, especially when you consider the the damage. If you go back to that Izzy video, let’s look at his ai. Because here’s the thing about Goggins.
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01:44:18
One of the things you see in his stride is if you look at his knees, he’s got giant scars up both of his knees. His knees are way more fucked up than mine and I don’t run because my knees are fucked up.
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01:44:30
You did a five k.
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01:44:31
I did once. Trading it all. But the the scars are extraordinary. And we see him in real ai, it’s even scarier. And his form is weird. But if you go to the YouTube video I think it’s ai Right. YouTube okay. Izzy’s got it. Izzy put the whole thing up. And then when you see him running, I mean, his pace is great, but it it’s weird, like, the way he’s running because his knees are destroyed.
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01:45:02
Yeah. And I think that that’s just kind of evolved or devolved, whatever you wanna say it, over time. He’s just doing what he has to do. You know what I mean?
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01:45:10
Yeah. If you scooch ahead a little bit, this is in the be sai here it is, him running. There’s a profile that that shows a sideways profile. But even then, it looks kind of odd. Like, Izzy looks sort of loose and relaxed. His legs straighten out. David’s legs never straighten out.
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01:45:26
They always have a bend to them at every step. You know, like like when you see him sideways, you really get a chance to see it. Yeah. There’s one part where you see him right there it is. There it is right there.
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01:45:39
Right there.
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01:45:39
So look. See how he’s kinda that’s odd. Right? Like, you’re a runner. You tell me. That’s kinda odd. Right?
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01:45:46
Well, I just don’t know. He might be just trying to stay with Izzy because Izzy’s going to a slower pace, which maybe if he was, like, maybe if David was opened up, it’d be more extended. I’m not sure. It’s hard to say. Because Izzy’s obviously struggling there.
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01:46:00
And now, also, they are going uphill when this is happening.
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01:46:02
Yeah. So I think David, it it could be tweaking his form a little bit.
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01:46:08
But Ai mean, he must be in agony. There’s no way he’s not in agony if you know the extent of the damage that he has on his knees. Mhmm. And if you’ve seen the x rays, we’ve showed them on the podcast before with all the fucking screws and shah. They sawed the top of
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01:46:21
his Yeah.
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01:46:22
Femur off or his tibia off and shifted it to make it flat again.
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01:46:27
Ai, what? Yeah. He he showed me some crazy photos too of, like, his body reacting just insanely to some of what he’s been putting it through.
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01:46:38
Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Well, he has to stretch. He told me he stretches for two and a half hours every night. Yeah. Just stretches. And that’s changed a lot for him too.
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01:46:46
When you look at him and is he running, I mean, David’s fifty. Mhmm. They don’t look that much different as far as like
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01:46:53
Physically looks insane. Yeah. And, again, he’s not breathing heavy at all. Oh. And that was one of multiple workouts he does in a day. Yeah. But it would break most human beings.
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01:47:03
I think Izzy posted that that was David does three three of those workouts a day.
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01:47:09
That’s so crazy.
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01:47:10
Yeah. And he keeps going Yeah.
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01:47:13
By himself.
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01:47:13
That’s why I love him.
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01:47:14
All alone. Yeah. I mean, there’s there’s real meh out there. Right?
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01:47:18
Yeah.
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01:47:18
And with David, this is all for his own personal growth or what he likes to call downloading knowledge. Whatever he’s doing, it’s that’s for him. It’s his own battle that he does. But just to know that there’s a guy like that out there, it pushes everybody else too. Ai, David existing in this soft ass world that we live in today raises the bar for literally everyone on Earth. That’s everyone who hears about him Mhmm.
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01:47:47
Knows that there’s a standard above in which they have ever pushed themselves
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01:47:52
Right.
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01:47:52
Above and beyond. And that’s Marvin Tyler, and that’s Rocky Marciano. There’s there’s there’s people ai this. Khabib. There’s champions.
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01:48:01
And what people do is they cultivate their own little world without those people.
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01:48:05
Oh, yeah.
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01:48:06
They’re ai Yeah. I I don’t know if I’ve heard you. I think you, like, you don’t like knowing about certain men don’t like knowing that there’s people like that out there. Yeah.
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01:48:15
They don’t like it.
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01:48:16
Just ai, fuck.
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01:48:17
They don’t like they don’t like being held to a standard that they can’t match. Mhmm. Like, they they don’t like being confronted by the oh, he’s cheating. Oh, he’s doing this. He’s probably on peptides. There’s some fucking excuse. There’s not a peptide in the world that makes you work out six hours a day.
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01:48:32
It doesn’t exist.
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01:48:33
No. It’s It doesn’t exist. Yeah. I I think that
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01:48:38
I ai You have to be a crazy person, and you have to be willing to get yourself into that place, that crazy place.
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01:48:44
What was super cool is, when Truett was going after the pull ups, Goggins was checking in, and he was just, like, all in. Like, you gotta okay. Tell him to do this. Tell him to do this. He’s like, okay. Write this down. Call me back. I mean, he was so into it.
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01:48:59
Yeah. He’s a man.
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01:49:00
He’s the man. Love him.
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01:49:01
I love him to death. And I think he does a a great service to the world. Even though he’s doing it all in silence, he’s doing it all alone.
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01:49:09
You get glimpses of it.
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01:49:10
You get enough to know. And especially that video where you see him with Izzy, like, oh, this is real. This isn’t a mythical person, you know. This isn’t the gray man. This is a real human being. Like, holy shit, man. Like, there’s people out there that are just working harder than everybody else, and they’ll they’re gonna keep doing it.
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01:49:31
Yeah.
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01:49:31
And that’s their grind.
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01:49:32
Mhmm.
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01:49:33
You know, and those people are super valuable. Those people are so valuable. The Marvin Hagglers of the world, the Rocky Marciano’s of the world, ai, those are very very valuable people.
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01:49:44
Yeah.
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01:49:44
Because they change everybody’s perspective of, like, what what’s possible, what to strive for, and what it takes. Mhmm. Like, do you really wanna be a champion? Why? Because you just wanna be cool? You wanna be the coolest guy on the block? Like, you’re not gonna win. You’re gonna find some fucking psychopath who just lives it.
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01:50:01
Mhmm. It’s it’s their whole life. And if it’s not your whole life, get out. Get out.
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01:50:07
It’s, there’s another quote that I love. Something like, there’s somebody out there training every day. Mhmm. And when you meet, they will win. Yeah. I mean, that’s just a fact. Most people don’t wanna think about those type of people. Mhmm. They, like, think that they’re they’re ai, oh, yeah.
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01:50:24
I’m I’m I’m working my ass off. I’m doing more than anybody.
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01:50:28
Mhmm.
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01:50:30
They’re ignoring a few people.
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01:50:31
Yeah. You don’t work more than anybody. That’s not real.
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01:50:34
Yeah.
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01:50:35
There’s no way you do. This one ai, he lives in Vegas.
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01:50:39
He’s my friend.
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01:50:40
I know.
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01:50:40
I’m gonna tell ai, I’ll introduce you to him and you just get nervous just being around him.
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01:50:44
Yeah. He’s he’s on
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01:50:45
a different level. He’s the man. And that level that he’s on, like, this thing that he’s doing, it’s good for all of us. It just people don’t like it because they feel weak. Ai, I I’ve compare myself to him like, Jesus Ai. I don’t have that kind of will. But if I was a type of person that all I was was my hard work and my will, I would look at him and I would feel inferior.
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01:51:05
And people do not like vatsal. And there’s a lot of bitch ass men out there that don’t like it when guys are working harder than them. Mhmm. And they try to bring those people down. And David takes all those fucking people, and then he writes all the shit that they said down, and then he records it and listens while he’s running.
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01:51:26
Yeah. Ai, he’s he’s one zero one.
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01:51:30
Well, you better shut the fuck up. You’re just gonna make him meaner. Yeah.
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01:51:32
He’s just gonna make him crazier.
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01:51:34
I love that. What’s that? The challenge nowadays is who’s real and who isn’t. Right. Because there’s people that say things just like David sai.
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01:51:46
But they’re not really doing it that well. They’re not doing it
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01:51:48
that well. Not him.
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01:51:49
No. They’re not him.
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01:51:50
It’s it’s an act. It’s a act. It’s a act. Gives them this social currency in today’s world. Mhmm. So that’s the hard part is, like, who’s who’s real, who isn’t.
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01:52:00
And they might be working harder than most people. Not everybody. Even not everybody. No. There’s people out there that are just and you can’t. You know, you can’t. Because there’s not only so many hours in a day. There’s only so much time you can do. Yeah. You know, I’ve never done anything like that before.
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01:52:17
But what I did do when we had that sober October challenge with, Tom and Bert and Ari
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01:52:23
Mhmm.
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01:52:24
Is, I went kinda crazy.
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01:52:26
Yeah.
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01:52:26
And lost my my mind. I was doing seven hours of cardio a day because I wanted Bert Kreischer to ai. Because Bert really thought he was gonna win. So I watched John Wick, like, 50 times in a row.
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01:52:36
Did you do seven a day?
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01:52:37
Oh, yeah. I was doing seven hours a day. Who? Yeah. I was I was trying to kill him. I was literally trying to kill him. I was running hills.
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01:52:43
What if he would have died? Then he
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01:52:45
dies. I was ai, he’s talking shit. He was talking shit. Meh was like, that’s Bert. Like, Bert will tell you he can do the splits. I’m like, okay. Do the splits. Yeah.
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01:52:53
Ai
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01:52:53
can’t do the splits. Like, he’ll tell you he could beat you in push ups. Okay. He can’t beat you in push ups, but he’ll always say it, which is fine. Yeah. But there was something about that competition where we’re we’re all ai going crazy. We all decided to never do that again because at the end of the month, we’re like, it was bad for your family, bad for your kids, never saw me.
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01:53:11
I was like, daddy’s fucking screaming in the gym all day. I set off the fire alarm because I sweat so much in the gym that the fire alarm went off.
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01:53:20
That’s pushing it.
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01:53:21
Puddles around me. Puddles. Ai puddles. I was just drinking water and soda. I was drinking, like, like like ram sodas because I want I needed sugar. Sugar. Yeah. Ai just felt that’s what I wanted. I wanted soda.
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01:53:35
Yeah.
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01:53:35
So I was drinking, like, sugary sodas and just running like a fucking maniac. And at the end of it, I was like, I can’t I can’t do that’s a part of my brain I don’t like. That part was ai the part that made me very good at ai. And that it ai ignited again. And I was like, woah, it’s still in there, ai, Jesus.
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01:53:53
It’s been a while and it’s still there.
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01:53:55
It’s been a while. It kinda got stronger. It was, like, more you, like, like, wanted to stay back, you know. It’s, like, you want you wanna start doing other things. You wanna start running and doing races and start, like, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. You’re busy. Yeah.
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01:54:10
Let’s not get crazy.
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01:54:11
Do you think it’s, do you think it’s the measurables that have changed things? Like, because Sure. Because our watches tell us everything.
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01:54:21
Right.
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01:54:21
So you get those numbers. You want those numbers to go up.
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01:54:24
Yeah. They say that that’s a thing, like, with, like, those Fitbits and all these different wearables. Like, people say that they they’re people are getting addicted to those the same way they’re getting addicted to social media. Mhmm. So we were doing everything through the Ai chest strap.
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01:54:38
It’s a heart rate monitor, and it was basically giving you a certain amount of points for having your, heart rate above, like, one forty and then even more points if it gets above, like, one eighty, like, when you’re in the red. And so you would just try to clock as many points as you could for a day.
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01:54:57
And had so you had to push hard to get those points. Exactly.
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01:55:01
Yeah. You have to be you know, you’re in the yellow, ai, the one forties for hours and hours.
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01:55:07
Yeah. Here’s what, my heart rate is so low. If me and True are going on a run, we did a 20 mile run here a few months ago. His was in the 20 mile run, we ram, like, six eighteens. His is one fifty seven, and mine was one thirty nine or one forty. Wow. So I have a hard time getting my heart high.
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01:55:27
That’s crazy. Well, that’s insane fitness. I would like to see what David’s is. Yeah. Ai, but he ain’t wearing no fucking heart rate monitor.
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01:55:35
No. It’s not his style. But yeah. So when you talked about that it had your heart rate had to be high to get these points, I’d ai I’d be fucked.
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01:55:42
Well, Brigham says that he competes with Tim Kennedy, and he’s ai, Tim Kennedy doesn’t even know I’m competing with him. As he can find because Tim Kennedy’s wearable numbers are posted on the Ai thing. Like, that’s the thing about MyZones that was interesting is, like, you could compete with and even when we were doing sober October and we were ai torture ourselves, we were still weren’t in the top 10 in the country.
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01:56:04
Yeah. There were still people out there for no fucking reason other than being a ai. People you’ve never heard of in Nebraska somewhere or wherever that are working harder than us. Yeah. And they’re not even competing for anything. This is just what they do.
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01:56:17
Exactly. And
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01:56:17
they’re putting in crazier numbers than we were. And they probably do it every month.
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01:56:21
Yeah. That’s Nuts. That is nuts.
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01:56:24
Yeah. So Tim Kennedy is one of those. He’s, like, he’s always, like, posting these crazy numbers. And Brigham tries to compete with him and, like, when he finds Tim’s numbers, like, that’s why he spends, like, two hours a day in doing Muay Ai. He’s competing with these numbers.
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01:56:38
Oh, I see. Yeah. See, Strava is sorta like that. Runners use Strava.
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01:56:43
Mhmm.
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01:56:43
I’m not on it, but that that gets posted publicly sai everybody can see Yeah. The pace, the climb, the hours.
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01:56:51
Well, if you’re competitive, it’s great for everybody
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01:56:53
Yeah.
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01:56:53
Because it
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01:56:53
it just raises that bar. Imagine if you could see Rocky Marciano’s Strava numbers in 1951. People would be ai, what the fuck?
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01:57:01
I know. I would love that.
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01:57:02
Everybody else would be like, well, that was the thing with the Hagler and Mugabe ai. Like, Marvin broke him. He couldn’t keep up with Marvin. Marvin kept hitting him, ripping to the body, slowly but surely breaking him down, but his endurance was just so strong. At the end, Mugabe was just like a he was wobbly.
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01:57:20
Like, you see when guys like when you see it in a fight in Meh, you see it a lot. Their technique doesn’t look crisp anymore. Their head’s moving too much. Their their core is not stable. They’re constantly recorrecting. They’re not ai rock when the beginning of the fight, everybody is rock solid. Yeah.
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01:57:37
Everybody’s move in the end, there’s like a laxity to the movement. You see the fatigue set in. There’s like these telltale things. And Marvin didn’t have that. There was no there’s no laxity.
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01:57:48
It’s like those storms coming,
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01:57:51
like, you know Getting across from somebody like ai?
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01:57:53
Terrified. Must
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01:57:54
just be the worst.
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01:57:55
The worst. They never get tired. Yeah. There’s a famous moment in when Khabib fought Edson Barboza where Edson has this thousand yard stare
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01:58:04
Mhmm.
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01:58:04
Because Khabib took him down again and he’s beaten him up and you realize like, Edson’s like, this is never gonna end.
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01:58:10
I cannot get out of this.
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01:58:11
I’m never gonna I’m never gonna get this guy off me.
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01:58:13
Yeah.
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01:58:14
I can’t stop him from taking me down and he’s just mauling me. Every time he takes me down, he’s just punching my fucking face in. Mhmm.
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01:58:20
And
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01:58:21
that’s how Connor felt when he was fighting Khabib too. At the end, he’s just just ai tapped, like, fuck it. It’s over.
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01:58:29
Yeah. I mean, it’s got that fatigue makes cowards of us all.
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01:58:34
Mhmm. True.
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01:58:35
It’s gotta be the most accurate quote of all time.
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01:58:37
And the only way to develop that kind of endurance is through insane work. Insane work. Mhmm. Just insane volume. And then constant consistency, constant volume, discipline, intensity, never ending, go go go go. Where your body just has to keep up.
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01:58:58
Yeah. You know?
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01:58:59
Or it doesn’t and it breaks. And then eventually you get ai Cain Velasquez towards the end of his career. His shoulders were getting fucked up. His knee was fucked up. His back was fucked up. After a while, he was too mentally tough for his own physical form. His body just couldn’t tolerate it anymore.
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01:59:16
Yeah. I wonder what the limit is nowadays because we talk about back then. Mhmm.
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01:59:24
And
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01:59:24
we talk about how it’s changed because you said something talking about, I think, Sonny Liston talking about when he was 38. That was different 38 than now.
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01:59:31
Joe Lewis. Yeah. Meh was seven. Okay.
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01:59:34
Okay. So nowadays, what what is what are people capable of? Because when you talk about the nutrition Mhmm. The science, the, you know, it’s who knows? Because you said you you said something like your body will break if you push this a certain amount
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01:59:52
or Yeah.
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01:59:53
I think there’s a
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01:59:55
difference between endurance activities and combat sports. And there’s something about combat sports that it’s fractions of a second you miss. So there’s only been a very few fighters that fight at an elite level deep into their forties. The best example is Bernard Hopkins.
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02:00:15
Mhmm.
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02:00:15
Bernard Hopkins fought at a world championship level when he was 48, 40 nine years old. He was different because he was, first of all, very intelligent, never got out of shape, never cheated on his diet, never partied, never drank, never smoked, never got fat, always trained.
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02:00:33
Mhmm. Always always in shape and also very intelligent with his boxing. He was super defensively responsible. Never he didn’t fight like Tyler. We just weighed himself in the ai, try to break guys. Bernard was using, like, clever boxing and really good defense. Defense was number one.
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02:00:51
You didn’t have to like his fights, you know, like, some of them in the beginning people thought it was boring. Mhmm.
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02:00:56
Because he
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02:00:56
would hold on to guys and he wouldn’t let the guys hit him then he but but he won fights and he didn’t take a lot of damage. And so he was able to do it deep in their forties. But most people, by the time you’re 37, that’s usually when the wheels start to fall off if you’re natural.
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02:01:12
Mhmm.
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If you’re natural. Mhmm. The thing about today is with boxing, especially in the off season, no one can stop you from doing peptides and growth hormone and testosterone replacement. No one could stop you. As long as you’re not getting VOTA tested and that usually generally, they do that during ram.
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And as long as you’re not getting randomly tested ai you saw they used to do with the UFC where they just show up at your door. If you just get weighed in and then the the state athletic commission drug test, you’re like in Nevada, that’s a intelligence test.
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Yeah. Ai.
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You know, that’s that’s that’s how certain guys were able to, like, maintain their power going up in weight class multiple divisions. Like, for sure, there’s some Mexican supplements involved in that. For sure. Yeah. And then that’s different. So if you’re doing peptides and hormone replacement and all that, then you’re extending your athletic career deep, deep, deep into your thirties and maybe even into your forties. Mhmm.
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But combat sports are just a different animal. Yeah. It’s different than just running, like, you’re getting hit. And, like, your ability to hit back is based on your ability to absorb punishment. And you can only you only have so many times that ticket can get punched before your chin goes, before, you know, you can’t take it anymore. Yeah.
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So it’s ai, for fighters, it’s very rare that a guy can perform at the highest level, like, in the late thirties. And Randy Couture, he he did it. He didn’t even start his career till I think he was 34 or 35. Yeah. He’s an MMA fighter.
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Yeah. No. He and he went late. Beat Tim Sylvia.
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In his forties.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what’s your what’s your training like nowadays? Because you’re shredded.
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I’m doing a lot of, lot of kettlebells still, always. You know, I’m doing that regularly. I’m doing a lot of rocking too. Mhmm. Meh ready for elk season. I’ve been doing, a lot of, I walk hills. There’s a big hill in my yard that I I like to walk to with, farmers carries and shit.
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Yeah. Ai, dumb. This is
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that Tom Haviland guy that I’ve been following a
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lot Yeah.
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From Australia. And Ai, like, one of the things that he does, like, he carries stuff. And once Ai carry heavy shit and walk around the gym with it There
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you go.
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I think there’s something to that, meh. Really, like, for overall strength.
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Yeah.
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But I’ve been doing, you know, staying with a lot of the body weight stuff that I do. I do a lot of that stuff with the weighted vest too. A lot of chin ups and dips and pull ups and l’s l, l pull ups, you know, when you do, like, you hold tight Legs out. Lift legs out.
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Yeah.
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I’m doing a lot of those leg lifts too where you’re hanging and just with a straight body and then lift your legs, you know, hinge at the hips, lift your toes all the way up to the top of the arya, and then slowly drop them down and up in that. Doing a lot of that too. And just mixing that up with bag work and all the different different things that I always like to do.
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But I’ve been super consistent. I’ve been real consistent.
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Gonna be ready for elk season? Oh, fuck yeah. I’m excited.
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I’m already excited.
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How many elk hunts?
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I have two. One with you and one with Evan. You know, that’s generally what I ai, but I I have a lot of opportunities around Texas for pig hunts.
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Yeah.
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Which is nice because, people are begging you to hunt pigs.
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Yeah. Because They’re tearing up the land here.
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They just get, you know, ai, I got a text from a friend of mine the other day who’s a movie producer. And he’s ai, please come to my ranch and kill some of these pigs. They’re just everywhere.
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Sounds fun.
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Yeah. Because they’re they have to kill them. I mean, there’s Yeah. There’s millions of them in Texas, and I’m not exaggerating.
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Oh, and they’re yeah. They just reproduce so quickly.
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Yeah. So the good thing about that is it really gets you tightened up for elk saloni. You know, really get a lot of targets in. Mhmm.
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You know? Bow shooting good.
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And get some good sausage. Yeah. Bow shooting great, man. Yeah. Bow is shooting great.
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02:05:06
Archery country?
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Archery country. What’s going
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on there?
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You and me are part of the owners now.
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Oh, yeah. Is that is that
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public now?
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It is now. Yeah. That’s exciting, isn’t it?
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It is.
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Business partners, buddy.
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I know. That’s fun.
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Yeah. And Evan and and and then Tyler is the man.
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So Yeah.
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It’s cool. Everybody together.
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Pretty exciting.
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Really fun. Yeah. Yeah. We got big plans to do something really cool with, a place here in Austin. That’s exciting.
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Yeah. Yeah. A lot going on.
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It’s a lot happening. Archery’s so much fun.
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Oh, the best. Dude, I just I just got this set up. I just love shooting bows.
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You get another one? Yeah. This one. Ai you get a different one?
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Well, I had to meh it in the Sitka.
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Oh, that’s nice. Yeah. Oh, that does look good.
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So we had the bryden on that.
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Is this, ’80? Yeah.
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Yep. It’s a good looking bow. Yeah. But yeah. So some changes ai to get in Sitka and we’re
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Yeah.
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We’re rocking. Oh, yeah. I got a so you said Truett ran in Bryden jeans. No. He didn’t. Not true.
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I thought he did. Yeah. He’s running in what what’s the company that he uses?
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It’s called Perfect Gene.
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Oh, I saw Jesse Michaels was repping those too in one of his, YouTube videos.
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Mhmm. Yeah. Anyway, so bryden ai you caught your call out though. So that’s good.
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There it is.
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Yeah. There’s a there’s a perfect jean.
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Yeah. Well, there’s a lot of people that make these great stretchy jeans. Yeah. Now Revtown makes a great pair. Barbell makes sai great pair.
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Yeah.
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But that he’s so jacked for a guy who runs, like, that ai of tyler, sub three hour marathon. Yeah. Nobody looks like him that’s running those. Look at how jacked he is.
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Yeah. He’s down to, he just did Eugene. So he set he got his fastest time ever in Boston on Monday.
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Look at that. No one’s jacked like that doing fucking marathons and then also gets the world record in pull ups.
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Yeah. And then he beat beat that time six days later in Eugene. That’s So he he didn’t. So you normally, under three hours as fast he did Eugene in February.
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He came in seventh place in the Austin meh and doesn’t look anything like anybody else that’s running. They all everybody else looks like popsicle sticks.
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Yeah. I mean, part part of it is, like, I told him when he was, like, about little guy. I said, hey. Running’s your thing. Just so you know, running is gonna take you, and he hated ai because I made the kids run. So you make a kid do something, they’re gonna hate it. Right? So he’d kinda half assed effort all through high school, did pretty good.
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It was ai all conferences of freshmen, but that was as hard as he ever kinda worked. He just wanted to lift, and he hated running. So I told him, I said, if you if you work hard, you could run-in college. I mean, for sure. And he’s like, I don’t wanna run for four more years. He’s ai, so so done with running.
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So ai now now he has this goal of running under a a two thirty meh. So that’s in the two twenties, which is fucking fast. And,
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What’s ai a world record?
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Oh, down two hours.
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Two hours.
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Right right over, like
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When did that become the world record? Like, what did it used to be? Like, what was, like, the world record in, like, ’28? He did it again. Truett Haines.
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Yeah. That meh February. Right. He just beat that on Sunday in in Eugene.
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Nuts.
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Yeah. But, yeah. So he
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he So his lowest time is what now?
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Two thirty four. But he’ll get and there’s there’s Tanner ai there. So Tanner did the Eugene marathon in the middle at the bottom. That’s my oldest son. Wow. With 35.
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What?
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Yeah. So he and and in combat boots.
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Oh my
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ai his buddy, Jake.
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That’s so crazy. They both
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wore these big packs and still ran it in in the fours. Wow. Yeah. So that’s With combat boots.
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That’s fucking nuts.
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Sai these guys Truett’s wearing jeans and a and a ai beater. Truett Tanner’s in a pack and Huntington combat
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boots. Hilarious. I wonder how, like, the normies view that. I wonder if that bothers them.
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They they All those dorks. No. The elite runners hate people like Truett. Like, the they call them, like, runfluencers. Because part of it is the elites work so hard. They’re so good. And the follow it’s hard to get a following when you’re just a runner. Sai they see this guy, and they’re like, they can beat him at because they’re world class go to the Olympics.
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So Truett isn’t there yet, but they’re like, this fucking jack dork is running and getting all this there’s articles on them everywhere. And so that’s why it’s it’s kind of the gatekeeping thing.
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Well, that’s funny because then the haters work for him. Because it’s unbelievably impressive. It’s impressive. I don’t give a fuck what you say. Oh, I don’t like these people. They’re the runfluencers. Mhmm. Come on, man. The guy has the world chin up record. He’s obviously a freak. Yeah. He’s obviously doing something that’s very, very extraordinary.
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And if you don’t want that because, you know, it’s for us. It’s only for us.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You’re supposed to be skinny.
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Fuck off. Yeah. They they don’t so Truett and Eugene got twenty fifth place. I mean, Eugene is, like, the running capital of the world. But,
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The times have changed over the last
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hundred years. Interesting. So in nineteen o eight, it was two hours and fifty five minutes. So in nineteen o eight, Truett would have the world record. Yep. In 1956, down to two hours and seventeen minutes.
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Fifty years later.
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Two thousand three, two hours and four minutes. And then 02/2018, ‘30 minutes and ‘1 minute. So Yeah. Between ‘3 and ’18, in fifteen years, they only lost three minutes. Yep. Ain’t that wild?
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Yeah. I mean, you get to the you’re just not gonna get those big gains after.
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02:11:01
Ai I mean, someone would have to be a fucking freak to drop under two hours. Right?
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02:11:06
So they they did this with I think he got under two hours here. Wow. And he had all these pacers and people breaking the wind for him.
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See Oh, is that different?
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Think it’s Kipchoge. Yeah. He’s, like, in white. So That doesn’t count as much?
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Well Someone’s breaking the wind for you?
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02:11:23
Right. You can’t have official pacers just if you’re not racing them
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02:11:27
Oh, there were pacers for him. I’m just for him.
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02:11:30
This is
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This is Challenge. Yeah. Just to do that.
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02:11:32
This is the INEOS, PACE Challenge. So INEOS is that company that makes that Grenadier. Have you seen that truck? No. It’s kind of a funny story. INEOS is ai a chemical company and the guy loved, Range Rover, Land Cruiser Defenders
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02:11:46
Okay.
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02:11:47
And, wanted to remake them when they stopped making them. They sai, no. He’s, like, tried to buy their factory, ai, no. So he’s, like, okay. I’ll make my own. So ai basically made a better Defender. Mhmm. So this is these are new trucks that are Oh,
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02:12:02
I got it.
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02:12:03
Way more durable, way better quality than those, like, if you get one of those classic defenders
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02:12:09
Yeah.
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02:12:09
They look cool, but it’s when you shut the door on them, it feels like you’re closing a garbage can.
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02:12:14
Oh, I see.
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02:12:15
They they feel like junk.
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02:12:16
I need it.
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02:12:16
They feel like these things are tanks.
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02:12:18
These are built,
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02:12:19
They’re well, they’re built specifically for off roading.
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02:12:22
Oh, I see.
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02:12:23
But it’s a brand new truck. Mhmm. Instead of
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02:12:26
I never heard of them.
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02:12:27
Right. I know. It looks like a classic Defender, but it’s actually way better. Mhmm. Way better. Like, I sai I saw one in the flesh. I was like, oh, this thing is super legit. Like, heavier gauge steel, like, really tight tolerances, and Ai watched a bunch of videos on them. They’re all outfitted.
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02:12:45
Like, you could take one of those hunting for sure. They’re outfitted with electricity, like, in the back. They’re all set up where you could put, like, coolers back there, like, like a little refrigerator.
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02:12:56
Sick.
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02:12:57
Yeah. And they’re all they’re literally from the factory set up for outdoors. Like, you don’t have to do nothing to them. You could take them, do Moab with them, take them out into the fucking the woods and go They
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still have Hennessy’s, like, sweeten them up a little bit.
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02:13:14
Then yeah. There it doesn’t have nearly the ai of horsepower that you know, like ai Raptor has or anything like that. It’s like Right. I think they only have, like, 300 horsepower or 208, which is not a lot, but the it’s the durability of the things and the, like, the purpose built.
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02:13:28
So this guy just but so that’s the same company, INEOS.
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02:13:31
The Okay.
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That’s the who’s that’s the challenge.
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02:13:34
That race.
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Yeah. That’s that’s what that company is.
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02:13:36
Yeah. So on that on that the goal was to try to break two hours in that race.
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02:13:40
So he did. He got down to one fifty nine Thank you. But with Pacers.
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02:13:43
Yeah.
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So it’s possible for someone to do that without a pacer.
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02:13:47
That’s what it kinda showed.
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02:13:48
Seems like it.
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02:13:49
Yeah. That’s sai crazy. It’s yeah. It’s super fast.
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02:13:52
That’s so crazy.
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02:13:53
Super fast.
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Yeah.
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It’s ai, what what one Eugene was two seventeen. So still, like, what was the world record back in was that the fifties? Yeah. That’s what won Eugene still. So that that’ll still win most marathons. Yeah. But Fuck. Yeah. It’s flying.
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Ugh. And the amount of work you have to do to get to that fast.
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02:14:15
That’s what I do I do sympathize with the pro runners because the the work that you have to put in to be elite. Whatever.
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02:14:25
You get what you deserve. This is what you get in life. What you deserve.
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02:14:30
Yeah. Hey. Throw some jeans on if you don’t like it.
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02:14:32
Yeah. You don’t like the the fact that he’s getting attention because he’s a handsome guy who’s jacked, he’s wearing jeans? Fuck off. Do you think Courtney cares about
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that? No.
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02:14:40
Yeah. Right? Do you think she would be focusing on other people? That’s people that want more than they’re getting. Mhmm. What about me? I’m winning. No one cares. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:14:54
Well, we we have gatekeepers in hunting too. I don’t
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know if you knew that.
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02:14:57
Yeah. Allegedly. There’s gatekeepers in everything. There’s well, there’s always people that compare themselves to other people and then they don’t like what they find, so they try to find flaws in that other person. Yeah. That’s what it is, you know. There’s just just but there’s that with literature, filmmaking, music, comedy.
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Yeah.
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Fill in the blanks. There’s always bitches. There’s always bitches out there. And what do bitches do? They bitch. They bitch about everything.
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02:15:25
Yeah. That’s
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Sai two thirty marathon at twenty twenty five or die.
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02:15:31
Yeah. So that he’s gonna get it. I mean, there’s no there’s no doubt he’s gonna get it.
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02:15:36
He he broke the world pull up record. He did 10,000 pull ups in twenty four hours. That’s nuts.
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And so people are saying, like, oh, PEDs or EP it’s ai, we’re we ordered breakfast after the marathon. I’m like, I don’t even know what the fuck EPO stands for. Do you?
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I don’t know, but I know what it does.
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02:15:55
It well, it’s supposed to make more red blood cells. Right?
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02:15:57
Yeah. That’s what, you know, a lot of the Tour de France people were doing.
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02:16:02
Yeah. They’re doing EPO. That’s as much as I know about it. Yeah. So I’m like, I we’re at breakfast sana I’m like, do you think somebody in fucking Springfield, Oregon has EPO? What are you guys talking about?
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02:16:13
You could get it. But I don’t think he’s on it. But the the thing is, like, fighters have been popped for it. EPO is real. Yeah. I think that’s actually what,
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02:16:22
Never actually
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TJ Dillashaw got popped for.
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02:16:24
Oh, is that?
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02:16:24
Yes. When T. J. Dillashaw fought Henry Cejudo, when he got all the way down to ai, the thing about that though is Ai understand why T. J. Did that because T. J. Was literally starving himself.
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He’s trying to get to one twenty five.
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02:16:38
Yes. Yeah. Starving himself to death. Mhmm. Because he would have to cut a lot of weight to make one thirty ai. So he had this idea that he was gonna become a two division champion. Yeah.
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02:16:48
He dropped it down
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at 25. Mhmm. And he was just a dead man. He had nothing left, and it probably shortened his career. It really probably did because he looked like hell. And then Well Henry Cejudo took him out in the first round.
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02:17:01
You know, when you put so this I’m not trying to compare me at all, but I was losing weight ai intentionally trying to get lighter for these races coming up. Mhmm. So I was my my same theory of burning 4,000, eating 3,000. So a thousand calorie deficit a day, which is fine for regular ai, but when you’re put I was also running a hundred miles a week.
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That’s what my ram my body just wasn’t getting what it needed, but I was still trying to push hard.
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02:17:33
Right.
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02:17:33
That’s why I got injured.
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02:17:35
What do you what did you want your goal weight to be?
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02:17:38
Fifty five.
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02:17:39
So at one fifty five, then you feel ai it’s easier to run what’s the most you’ve ever weighed and run, like, a hundred miler?
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02:17:47
Oh, probably, like, 80. One 80? Yeah.
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02:17:50
What was that like? It was hard?
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02:17:51
Yeah.
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Because I think about that a lot of times when I’m wearing my weight vest
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02:17:56
Mhmm.
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02:17:56
Because, I have one of those outdoorsman’s packs.
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02:17:59
Yeah. So
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it’s got the post on the back and I Put
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02:18:01
the plate on it.
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02:18:01
Ai put a 45 pound plate on it. And so the the the pack probably weighs ai five pounds and then the plates so it’s 50 pounds.
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02:18:08
Mhmm.
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02:18:08
That’s like a normal thing that people have to lose. Yeah. It’s a normal thing. Yeah. And, I’m walking up hills with this thing. I’m like, this sucks. This sucks. And this isn’t even that heavy. Yeah. And and some people, they have to lose a hundred pounds. Like, what is what are your joints feel like, man?
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Because it hurts my feet.
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02:18:25
Yeah. I mean, you saw it. Jelly Rolls lost, like, 200 now. I know. I know. 200 pounds.
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02:18:30
He threw his phone away.
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02:18:32
He threw his phone away.
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02:18:33
Did he get it back?
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02:18:34
I think he got it back. Oh, no. I’ve been seeing some social media posts.
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02:18:37
Well, I think he’s got a guy who does that. Oh. Yeah. Because I reached out to him and it came up green. I was like,
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02:18:45
that’s weird. I did too. So then
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02:18:46
I reached out to him on, Instagram and his social media guy says, I’ll get this message to Jelly Roll, but he got rid of his phone.
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02:18:53
Oh, good.
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02:18:53
Because he had the same phone forever and, you know, years of drinking in bars and giving out his number because he’s so nice. He give out his number to everybody. And apparently, everybody just blowing his phone up all day long and he’s a superstar now and it’s just like Yeah. Overwhelming.
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02:19:08
And I think, like a lot of people, he was dealing with social media addiction. I’m sure. Mhmm. You know? And then he’s on this path to lose weight and get healthy and so Yeah. He just decided chuck that phone away. Fuck these phones. No phone.
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02:19:22
Good move. I mean,
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02:19:23
he looks so good right now. He looks great. He looks he’s the opposite of Bert.
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02:19:27
He’s the nicest fucking guy ever. He’s not the opposite of Bert. Bert took his way. They’re gonna meet in the middle. He still got some ways to go. Bert Bert
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02:19:37
will get he’ll be back on Ai and I do have to give Bert props. He is strong.
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02:19:42
Oh, he’s strong.
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02:19:43
Yeah. He’s strong. So he, he benched a lot. He beat me in benching.
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02:19:47
Did he really?
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02:19:47
Yeah. What did he bench? He did, like, two twenty five, like, thirteen ai times, something like that. Damn.
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02:19:55
Yeah. That’s impressive because back in the sober October days, when they were talking about when we had that challenge Yeah. He couldn’t do it once.
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02:20:01
Really? Yeah.
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02:20:02
He couldn’t do two twenty five once. Because we all had, like, this little contest, like, who can do two twenty ai? And he couldn’t do it
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02:20:08
at all. He’s on PD.
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02:20:10
Yeah. He is for sure. Mhmm. He’s definitely on testosterone.
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02:20:13
No. He’s strong.
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02:20:14
But he’s he works hard.
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02:20:15
And he I I He
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02:20:16
just drinks hard too.
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02:20:17
I think Sai, I heard him say on here that he did pull back my my 80 pound bow.
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02:20:22
Did he? Yeah. That’s impressive.
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02:20:24
I know. I’m telling you, he’s pretty strong.
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02:20:26
Because you know who couldn’t pull back my bow? Alexander Gustafsson. Really? He fought in the UFC at 02/2005. Yeah. He’s huge. Hey. He couldn’t pull a bow back.
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02:20:33
Pulling a bow. He’s like,
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02:20:34
is there a trick to this? I go, no. Here’s the trick. Yeah. Just pull that fucker back. Yeah.
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02:20:39
You just
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02:20:40
I do it a hundred times a day.
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02:20:41
It’s yeah. I mean, if people haven’t done it, it’s tough.
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02:20:44
I arya incorporating and this is probably a good thing for anybody who shoots archery a lot to do. I arya incorporating what you told meh, which was cable rows standing up while holding a 10 pound weight.
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02:20:57
Yeah.
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02:20:57
And it may it’s making a world of difference because I was developing a pretty severe imbalance. And then, by being a meathead, I was pushing through this tendon pain that I was developing on my right lower side from just stabilizing and holding this 85 pound bow Mhmm. All these reps only one way. And it’s ai, that’s not smart.
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02:21:19
Right.
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02:21:20
So I started switching it over. However meh times I pull the bow back with my right arm, I’ll do that same amount with cable rows while holding this 10 pound weight down. It’s made all the difference in the world. Because now Sai have tendon problems on my left side too, so it balances it out. Perfect. Not really.
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02:21:39
It’s not but I do feel like a lot of soreness on that side when I do these long sessions. I’m hitting it. You’re hitting it at least. And then I’m doing a lot of back extensions and here’s the big one, that reverse hyper. You know, I’ve talked about that machine before.
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02:21:52
That machine is a goddamn life changer.
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02:21:55
But, dude, you have everything here.
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02:21:57
It’s nice. Yeah. It’s nice.
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02:21:58
Yeah. I go have to go, like, four different places to get everything you have here.
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02:22:03
Yeah. The gym is pretty sweet. It’s it’s set up real nice. That reverse hyper is so big though because it pulls the back. It, like, it’s decompressing on the downswing. And, you know, when you stack the weight on there, I like to get about so I have, two forty fives on each side and lately, I’ve been sticking an additional 25 on each side.
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02:22:24
Sai a lot of weight. Yeah. So you’re doing this swing up, so it strengthens the hamstrings and the lower back muscles. And then on a swing down, it’s like pulling it, like stretching it out.
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02:22:35
Mhmm.
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02:22:35
And then Ai like to do that meh machine where you hang from your your hips, you swing down and you’re just decompressing the back. Yep. And I’ve been doing deep stretches in the sauna every day. Mhmm. Every day. Instead of just sitting in the sauna for twenty five minutes, now Ai doing like heavy stretches. It’s fucking so hard to do when it’s one ninety five in there.
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02:22:59
Do you do the water? No. What? Ai need that fucking water.
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02:23:03
You gotta do the speak, dude. It’s so
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02:23:04
hot in there, dude.
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02:23:05
I do it sai thing, but you gotta do the one.
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02:23:07
Are you stretching?
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02:23:08
No. And
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02:23:09
you you ain’t even stretching. That’s when
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02:23:10
you blew
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02:23:10
out your hamstring.
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02:23:11
Did you do push ups in there? Sometimes.
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02:23:13
Ugh. But
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02:23:14
I wanna get an exercise bike in there.
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02:23:17
Oh. I know people there’s a Minus two aero. That’s a a sauna that’s set up that way. Like, it’s called a Sana or something like that. Laird Hamilton has a a Airdyne bike in his. And he’s got oven mitts. He puts oven mitts on and rides the AirDye with oven mitts.
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02:23:33
That’d be sick, dude. It would be sick. Yeah. Yeah. I love doing the sauna then ai into the cold plunge.
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02:23:39
Yeah. It’s nice. It’s nice.
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02:23:41
That’s my
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02:23:41
I do I’m almost always doing the cold punch first. That’s that’s the beginning of the workout is cold punch. And then this whole body weight thing that I do just to warm back up, hundred push ups, hundred sets. And now I added a hundred, kettlebell swings.
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02:23:55
Okay.
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02:23:55
So I do three sets of 23 sets of 23 sets or five sets of 25 sets of 25 sets of 20. But I do them, like, one, two, three. So I do, like, first push ups, then body weight’s got, and ai I do five. Mhmm. Five cycles. So it’s a hundred of everything. And then ai that time, I’m warmed up.
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02:24:11
It’s ai fifteen, twenty
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02:24:12
minutes ai. Reps or or how many movements?
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02:24:15
Three movements, a hundred each, 300 reps.
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02:24:17
ram.
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02:24:17
So 300, three you know, a hundred swings, a hundred push ups, hundred bodyweight squats.
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02:24:23
And then did I hear no drinking anymore?
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02:24:25
No drinking. For, like, two plus months now. Yeah. I’m never going back. I mean, I will maybe I’ll have a glass of wine somewhere, if I feel like it. Like, I’m not an alcoholic. Yeah. But, I feel stupid for waiting this long.
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02:24:39
Yeah.
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02:24:40
Because, like, I would have these days, ai, because, you know, I have a nightclub. I have a bar. We go to the club. We would do some shows, have a couple of cocktails with the boys, have a bunch of laughs, do a podcast, have some whiskey, have some laughs, and then the next day, like,
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02:24:54
oh. Yeah.
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02:24:55
And I’d be going through my workouts going, oh, you fucking moron. What have you done? Yeah.
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02:25:00
And, you
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02:25:00
know, and Ai, you know, do the hyperbaric and drink a lot of electrolytes and try to flush it out. But if you’re concentrating on improving your health and your fitness, why are you poisoning yourself?
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02:25:14
Yeah. Sabotaging yourself.
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02:25:15
But you’ll also start thinking, well, that’s the only way to have fun. You have to have fun too, but no. It’s not changing my fun.
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02:25:22
Ai doesn’t have fun.
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02:25:24
Well, he’s different. He’s not having fun. He’s not trying to have fun. I’m trying to have fun. Like, part of my job is fun. Like, I want like, fun is a prerequisite, like, as as a comedian, like, you have to be having fun. Yeah. It’s part of the fun of comedy is, like, enjoying it. You enjoy it, they enjoy it. Everybody enjoy it. It’s fun.
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02:25:43
And so, I thought, like, maybe it would be less fun if I was so it’s not. It’s not any less fun sober. It’s just as fun, and it’s just Ai feel better. And this is the one of the things that I’ve always tried just to tell all these comedians. And, you know, I I bring a bunch of them in here and work out with them, and we we have this comedian workout sessions that we we’re doing.
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02:26:03
And, you know, Shane comes in here all the ai, works out on his own, and so does Derek and and Hassan and all these guys from the club. But if you have more energy, you will have more energy on stage. If you have more energy, you could do more shows. You could do multiple shows a ai.
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02:26:19
You don’t get fatigued. Like, it it carries over into comedy. Yeah. Like, your body and your brain are inexorably connected. If your body functions better, your brain will function, but it’s ai, it’s not rocket science. It’s real simple.
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02:26:33
Mhmm.
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02:26:33
It’s just nobody wants to do it because everybody you can ai, you can be with the best comedian ever ai never lift a weight and never work out. But if the best comedian ever did that too, I bet they would be better. Yeah. I bet they’d be better at everything in life. I would think. Yeah.
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02:26:47
It doesn’t mean that, like, the best person has to do vatsal. Otherwise, you won’t be the best person. No. There could be someone who’s just so funny. It doesn’t matter.
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02:26:55
They could be fat as fuck and be hilarious and barely walk, you know, and just be so funny just because they’re just gifted, and they put a lot of time into comedy. But if they were healthier, they’d feel better, they’d enjoy life more, and they’d probably be better at everything they do, not just comedy.
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02:27:11
Yeah.
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02:27:11
Everything.
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02:27:13
Yeah. I just, I mean, on a different level, it’s ai when I was trying to lose that weight to get ai, I came here the last time I saw you, we saw you at waist two l, but I try to do everything perfect. But just being on the road, traveling to Texas and going back, I could not get my body weight back down for, like, four days. Wow.
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02:27:34
From and it’s not like I was drinking or eating donuts. Just yeah. Just, you know, you go to that that steak place at, the hotel I’m staying at really good. Remember those big steaks we had? Yeah.
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02:27:46
And I’m, like, eating this meat going, how much fucking sugar is on this thing? I mean, there’s they put brown sugar on it. So ai tastes so good. Which place is that? You ate there.
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02:27:56
Which place is that?
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02:27:57
Me, you, Evan, and Tyler? Is that Omni? Barton Creek Omni?
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02:28:02
Right. Oh, Bob’s. Bob’s. No. This they don’t put sugar on their steak.
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02:28:07
Something is on there.
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02:28:08
Well, you’re eating that carrot. That carrot seems to be glazed.
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02:28:11
Eat that
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02:28:12
fucking carrot. That carrot’s awesome. That carrot’s the size of a football. Like, where what fucking lab in China they grow in them carrots?
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02:28:18
I know. Okay. But the meat has something should has to have sugar on it. It’s too good. No. Yes. I don’t
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02:28:26
think so.
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02:28:26
Okay. Well, then why could I not get my body weight back?
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02:28:30
Mashed potatoes and stuff too. You’re eating a bunch of other stuff as well. I don’t think their steaks have
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02:28:35
sugar on them. I think they do. RFK thinks they do too. Bob’s. He’s banning them. He’s banning Bob’s.
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02:28:43
There’s so many good restaurants out here.
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02:28:44
Yeah. There is.
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02:28:46
Fucking town has so many good places to eat.
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02:28:49
Yeah. But my point was, if you deviate a little bit from a disciplined perfect diet
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02:28:55
Yeah.
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02:28:55
It takes a while. So your body is point is to all that, your body is so fucking sensitive.
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02:29:01
Mhmm.
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02:29:01
When you get so dialed in on everything, man, you really real you really realize how little it takes to throw you off.
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02:29:09
Yeah.
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02:29:09
So imagine drinking.
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02:29:11
Well, that’s the thing too. Every yeah. Everybody I know that has an aura ring or wears a whoop ram. Like, if you wear a whoop strap, you know, it’ll show you how much you recovered, through the night.
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02:29:21
Right. Yeah.
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02:29:22
And if you drink, you will notice a big dip if you have one cocktail. Mhmm. One cocktail will be a big dip in the amount of recovery you have. Right. Ai you won’t even notice it.
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02:29:32
Mhmm. You’ll be
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02:29:33
like, sai, I wasn’t even drunk. I ai drunk.
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02:29:35
Not trying to perform and do something
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02:29:37
Right.
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02:29:37
You won’t notice it. Ai, a a regular person at a regular job, it might maybe you’ll feel ai a little sluggish. Mhmm. But it’s when you start to, like, work out and perform and run and you’re, like, looking at these times or you’re on the scale and you’re ai, what the fuck is going on?
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02:29:52
Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. But most people are just used to feeling like garbage. Well, think about most people’s ai. And if they just cleaned up their diet and then just cut out all the nonsense, cut out all the processed food, cut out all the sugar, cut out all the sugary drinks, and just drink water and eat healthy pure whole foods, you would feel so much better.
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02:30:13
But most people aren’t doing that. Sai they’re accustomed. They think this is what you’re supposed to feel like. This is life.
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02:30:19
Yeah.
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02:30:20
It’s like having water in your ear and you forget and then you you it pops, ai, oh, fuck. I can hear now.
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02:30:25
Right.
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02:30:26
Like, they’re walking through life with water in their ear. And ai think this is what it sounds like. Mhmm. But it’s just you’re poisoning yourself.
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02:30:32
Yeah.
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02:30:33
If you’re eating the standard American diet, if you’re eating fucking burgers and fries, drinking soda and eating candy, you are poisoning yourself.
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02:30:41
I went I I was coming back from Ram, and I don’t I think I was dying of thirst. So I usually take, like, a a Visa in my shorts so I can buy something. But, anyway, I went into Fred Meyer back there at home, and I never go shopping. I’ve I don’t even remember the last time I was in a grocery store.
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02:30:57
I don’t but I was walking down the aisles of a regular grocery store, and I was like, holy shit. I wanna eat all this stuff. It looks it’s fucking terrible, but looks as bright tyler. Colored. Yeah.
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02:31:10
It’s just
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02:31:11
ai Sai every aisle, I don’t know what I was looking for. Supposedly something to drink, but I don’t know what. But I just kept walking down the aisles going, I haven’t eaten any of this shit in so long, but it looks so good. And then I was thinking, that’s what most people are buying and eating. Yeah. The shit. Yeah. No wonder you feel terrible.
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02:31:29
Yeah. Most of what you’re eating in the supermarket, most of what you can buy in the supermarket is terrible for you. Yeah. The whole center arya. Right. It’s all bullshit. Yeah. You know? Unless it’s ai tomato sauce or whatever. And even that, a lot of that has, like, arya oils in it if you buy from a shitty company. It’s a lot of garbage.
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02:31:47
People are eating a lot of garbage. And that’s the average person. And and then you have a doctor, like, you don’t need vitamins. Oh, you Just have a balanced diet.
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02:31:57
Oh,
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02:31:57
fuck. Shut up, you fucking slob. You doughy sack of shit with old information.
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02:32:02
Well, so here’s the point that Ai just remembered my point. So I was trying to buy donuts because I was doing an ultra marathon the next day. So you saw, like, me and Courtney running. Normally, it doesn’t matter what type of calories when you’re working that hard. You just need calories and salt.
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02:32:17
And sugar.
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02:32:18
So I’m like, I’m gonna get some old fashioned donuts because I was gonna do this 50 k. I’m like, that’ll be perfect calories. So you know where I found the donuts? In the fucking produce over there with the vegetables. So they’re ai hiding little treasures. You’re trying to be healthy.
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02:32:33
Like, I’ll get a fucking apple, then you’re, like, look at a old fashioned doughnut. Ai? You’re, like, fuck this apple. I’m gonna get these doughnuts. So Yeah.
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02:32:40
They still sabotage you.
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02:32:42
Clever. Yeah. I wonder if there’s like a marketing strategy involved now. I wonder if they had like a meeting. Like, look, people are trying to eat well, but we can fuck them.
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02:32:50
The algorithm. Yeah.
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02:32:51
Yeah. It’s like the algorithm. It really is ai like
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02:32:53
They’re predicting everything.
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02:32:55
That’s the other thing I’ve been doing. I’m basically off of social media. All I’m doing is, I will I still allow myself to look at it if I’m taking a shit. I’ll look but I try not to, like, linger.
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02:33:06
So now every time you send me something, I know you’re shitty?
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02:33:09
Most likely. Or, someone sends me
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02:33:11
something or someone
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02:33:12
sai well, I didn’t send you I sent you YouTube videos. That’s different.
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02:33:16
Okay.
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02:33:16
I watched I was watching that actually at home on TV. Okay. I was watching that on the big screen. Yeah. Because, Ai, you know, I was interested, like, last night in watching, like, some, you know, every night is a different if I get, like, some downtime and I can relax a little bit and watch ai on TV.
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02:33:33
Sometimes Ai like watching a show, you know, a a fiction show ai Mobland or something like that. But sometimes Sai get on these kicks where I’m I wanna watch certain things. And last ai, it was like old school fighters training.
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02:33:45
Mhmm. You know,
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02:33:45
and I just got I went down this rabbit hole. I watched, old school Sugar Ray Robinson too. That was amazing.
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02:33:52
Mhmm.
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02:33:52
He was another one, super dedicated to his craft. Again, trained harder than anybody, but also trained smarter and he would move different than speak because he was a dancer. He actually Mhmm. Retired from fighting for a brief period of time just to be a dancer and performed, like, in, like, dance shows.
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02:34:10
Wow.
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02:34:11
And then went back to ai, but sai he could move, man. And footwork. Yeah. But it was ai it was intentional. It wasn’t it was all ai there were certain moves that he would he had programmed into his footwork and movement and his balance, his ability to get out of the way and and, you know, he was fighting at a time where these guys were ai, like, every couple of weeks,
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02:34:30
you know. Yeah. They fought a lot. Crazy. What’s what’s your so you said ai sometimes, but what what is is your go to on YouTube? Do you think you watch most?
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02:34:39
If I want to just zone out, it’s professional pool. I like watching professional pool. Yeah. Because I Ai still that’s my number one addiction is playing pool.
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02:34:50
So that comes up on your recommended list on YouTube?
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02:34:52
Yeah. Mostly pool and then ancient civilizations.
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02:34:55
Okay.
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02:34:56
Ancient civilizations is number two. I love watching videos on these mysteries where they’re just uncovering Ai was watching this whole thing in Malta, about Malta the other day, where they found these elongated skulls in Malta that are missing the characteristics of a normal normal human skull.
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02:35:14
Mhmm.
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02:35:14
So a normal human skull has I think it’s called a sagittal crest. There’s a line that goes down the the middle ai this. It’s like a you know, like, as you’re you’re growing as a baby, you have, like, these plates in your head that move around and they expand as your head grows and there’s, like, lines.
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02:35:34
Yeah.
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02:35:34
So there’s a line that goes straight, there’s a line that goes like this across. These heads don’t have that. They don’t have the line that goes straight.
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02:35:43
Mhmm.
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02:35:43
But they’re elongated human skulls and they have a line that goes in the back, but they don’t have the line that goes down the center. Mhmm. And they’re trying to, like, make sense of this. Ai, what is this? Yeah. What is this? And Malta is a giant mystery.
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02:35:59
Like, Malta is this island that used to be at one point in time before the flood. It was connected to Sicily. And they know Neanderthals lived there, like, thousands of years before, you know, recorded civilization. But they didn’t think peep Homo sapiens did, but they found these elongated skulls that are different than any human skull, then they found these incredible stone constructions, these these stone buildings and immense stones that have crazy erosion on them that they think is more than six thousand years of erosion.
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02:36:33
So they’re trying to figure out, like, what happened? Like, what is this? How old is this? Is this from before the flood? Is this when before the ice age?
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02:36:42
Like, what what the fuck is this stuff? And why are these elongated skulls there?
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02:36:47
Yeah. That’s nuts. Bizarre stuff. Yeah.
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02:36:51
Bizarre stuff. Because it’s ai, there’s so many mysteries in terms of, like, the human race and and how long people have been building things. And every now and then, they’ll uncover something that pushes everything back.
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02:37:04
Mhmm.
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02:37:05
Like, they used to think the first people in North America were like 13,000 years ago. It’s Clovis first. Then they found these footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000 years old. So, like, well, okay.
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02:37:15
Scratch that.
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02:37:16
Well, that’s not number one. That’s not ai the first person to come here. There’s ai probably people even before that. Yeah. But there’s very little information. And then there’s this ai crazy stone wall that they found in Montana. And it was on private property and no one even knew it was there. Mhmm.
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02:37:35
And these people, they just were clearing some land, and they found this fucking wall. This thing it’s I think it’s called the Sai Wall Mhmm. In Montana. But these immense stones that looks like they were placed there, who knows how long and there’s people arguing, oh, this is ai vatsal. This this is it. Woah.
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02:37:55
Hey, what the fuck is that, dude? So that was all covered with tree by the way, it goes deep into the ground too. It goes, like, 10 feet deep into the ground. Wow. So they’re, like, okay. Is this a natural formation?
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02:38:07
Yeah.
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02:38:07
It doesn’t look natural. It looks like human beings placed those stones. Yeah. It looks like it was placed there. Yeah. It’s really weird, man. And look, like, there’s, like, weird stuff about it, like
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02:38:19
that. Something.
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02:38:20
Like, someone made that. Mhmm. That has a circle that’s carved into it, and then there’s, like, the the p the the the that sort of structure that looks like it’s the outline of it.
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02:38:30
Right.
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02:38:31
So there’s a lot of arguments. Ai, that one photograph right there, that photograph’s fucking crazy.
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02:38:36
So it’s fake.
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Yeah. Is that fake?
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It looks fake.
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That one’s fake? Are you sure? The rest
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of them melted.
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Well, let’s see which one is fake and which one isn’t. Because some of them that one on the upper left hand is definitely real. And these like I said, these go down deep, you know, they’ve done ai, they’ve used ai machinery or sensors to find out how deep that goes. And it goes like 10 feet down deep into the ground.
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02:38:58
Ai, wool
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Look at
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that one with the rock on top of it. That flat rock up there.
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02:39:02
Like, what is it? Ai? Yeah. There’s a lot of weird, weird stuff when it comes so if this is man made, how fucking old is that? Yeah. Like, how old is that? There’s nothing else there, just that wall? Yeah. Like or maybe is there other because they didn’t even know this existed.
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Ai think it was till the nineties.
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Wow. ’96.
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’90 ‘6? Yeah. So what what other stuff is out there that people haven’t uncovered that is covered with ground? It’s another thing they’re finding out about the rainforest. They used to think the Amazon Rainforest was ai these little patching tribes of people. Well, there’s a guy that visited in the fifteen hundreds and he said that there was ai these crazy temples and these huge structures and cities with millions of people.
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02:39:48
And then new explorers went a hundred years later and they found none of these things. Mhmm. Because that fucking first guy probably gave everybody diseases and killed the entire continent, which is nuts. Ai, probably killed everybody that lived in the Amazon. Like, the Amazon at one I was watching another documentary on this the other night. They found these Ai.
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So this LIDAR, they fly over it, and they use these sensors to detect these structures that are deep in the rainforest that are covered with trees. And they’re finding all of these corridors and squares and things that seem to indicate irrigation and structures. Ai, this is
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nuts. Wow.
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So there was, like, millions of people living in the Amazon Mhmm. And some dirty Europeans came over in the 1500 and gave them their cooties and they all died out. Yeah. Just like what happened with most of the Native Americans.
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Mhmm.
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Like, most people think, ai, most people don’t know. But the Native Americans, ai, ninety percent of the Native Americans were killed by disease. That ninety percent of the population died off by disease, which is crazy.
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Yeah.
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Millions of people living this nomadic life in North America ai the Renaissance is going on over in Europe. Right. And these people are using flint arrowheads and
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Yeah.
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Nuts. They didn’t even have horses. They didn’t even have horses until the Europeans came over and brought them. The whole thing’s crazy.
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Yeah. It is.
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02:41:16
That reminds me. That’s sai that’s what I’m watching a lot of.
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That’s that’s your go to?
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Yeah. I’m I’m just absolutely fascinated by ancient civilizations. Mhmm. And then these mysteries, ai, the the pyramids and the the structure they found under the pyramid. Have you seen that? Yeah. That’s crazy. Ai, what is that?
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I’ve heard talk about it, basically.
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I don’t know if it’s right. I don’t know if it’s wrong. I mean, I know some people think it’s nonsense, but the the the researchers seem to think that they’ve they’ve done multiple scans and gotten the same results over and over again. And they’re ai, whatever these things are, there’s pillars and there’s spirals around the pillars, and it goes deep into the ground and the whole structure’s two kilometers deep.
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Yeah. I heard I think I heard you talking about that. I heard that I thought it was fake.
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Some people think that it can’t be real because there’s a water table underneath the the Great Pyramid.
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02:42:10
Meh what it was.
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But the question is, is it real and there’s a water table? Is this shit in the water? Yeah. Because it’s so are the was were these people so advanced, they built these insane structures two kilometers deep through the water? Because look if they could look. It’s nuts that they could make the pyramid.
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Yeah. I know. That still doesn’t make sense.
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Itself is nuts. All the structures, the the Temple Of Luxor, all that stuff is crazy.
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02:42:34
Mhmm.
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02:42:34
So if they can make that, why are we assuming that that’s the pinnacle of crazy? Like, the there might be crazier below the surface. Yeah.
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That is like ai yet.
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Right. Imagine if everybody thought that the most advanced buildings that were ever created were, like, buildings they built in Chicago in the eighteen hundreds. You know, wow. Look at this. This is a what craftsmanship. Boy, people had reached, an incredible level of ability.
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And
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then someone stumbles upon the pyramid, and they’re like, the pyramid, they go, okay, wait.
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Yeah. What? What the
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fuck is this? Yeah. There’s 2,300,000 stones in this, and they weigh between two and eighty tons. And they’re cut from a quarry hundreds of miles away, some of them Yeah. Moved through the mountains. Like, how? So that’s crazy. And imagine we think, well, this is the height of crazy.
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When you go under the surface of it below the ground, you get what what is this two kilometer deep structure? Yeah. That’s even crazy. That makes that look simple. Right? It’s well, then these people are just moving stones.
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How the fuck they get it through
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the water? What I think of when I hear that is could you imagine
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02:43:39
the hunting back then?
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Oh my god. Epic.
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Probably. But you have shitty bows. You didn’t have a nice bow. Yeah. You didn’t have a a bow. Yeah.
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If you had a sick bow. Oh my god. If you
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had a modern bow back then?
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Yeah. There’s two things that I thought of. But do you know when when bears get old, they get a crease in their in
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02:43:57
their skull?
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Yeah. So it’s like when you’re talking about that skull, I was wondering if it was age related. I don’t I don’t see how the ai would disappear. But I
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don’t know. Wouldn’t disappear. That’s that was the argument of this video that I was watching. See if you can find any of those, elongated skulls of Malta. There was
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This is a whole bunch of stuff. But it’s, ai, like, a herb I’m seeing urban legend. They that’s been talked about ten years ago. They were on display. They weren’t on display.
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Yeah. But they’re definitely not an urban legend, because the the this was I was watching an actual archaeologist discussing these things. And then there was a an alternative guy that was discussing and saying that the issue is with these lines in the skull don’t exist in these skulls.
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But they were all admit that these skull well, there’s different one. This is ancient aliens.
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Ai all just I just I just googled multiskulls.
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02:44:43
It’s Just go with
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They’re all that’s what I’m saying is there’s different stuff that comes up all the way from Malta websites to talk about it, because this is something that people sana go see. Right.
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Let’s click on that one. See if you if they have any images on display. Because, like, this is accepted by actual archaeologists that there’s because human beings have been doing weird stuff with so that’s it right there. So you see how that skull has that line through the top? Mhmm. Most skulls have a line straight down the middle too. That’s how human skulls are.
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So this is weird. These are now, also, here’s the thing. Could totally be a human that has genetic anomalies.
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Right.
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Like, there’s these people in Africa that have they call them ostrich feet people. Yeah. There there’s this weird genetic anomaly that this whole village has where their feet, instead of having five, like, a a big toe and four little toes, they have, like, branched off like a like an ostrich.
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Mhmm. Like like, it looks really strange.
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02:45:42
And that’s real?
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02:45:43
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s totally real. And it’s real today. It’s but it’s a genetic anomaly Mhmm. And it’s been passed on Mhmm. Through, you know, these people in this one ai, in this one area. So it’s ai someone had it. They meh so it could be that. Right? It could be that that skull looks weird Yeah. Because these people were just born weird.
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Right. Yeah. You know,
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people some people are born with giant noses. Yeah. Some people have huge heads.
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02:46:08
Yeah.
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Some people arya, like, seven feet tall for no reason.
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Big dicks.
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Yeah. Giant hogs. You know, it’s ai
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We’ve been We vary. Afflicted with that.
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Yeah. Humans vary quite a bit. So it could be that that’s why that skull looks that way, but it is absolutely fascinating. And one of the things that they keep finding is new versions of human beings, which is really weird.
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Mhmm.
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Like, they found the Denisovans. I think they found those in, like, 02/2010. And then there was what is the recent ones, Jamie, that we’re talking about that have the big heads? There’s these big headed, like, not homo sapien, but, like, cousins of homo sapiens that they just found these, like, really recently within the last few years. Sai, like, okay.
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This is we thought these were Dennis Ovens. This is a totally different branch.
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02:46:56
Mhmm.
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02:46:56
And sai, there’s multiple branches of human beings that coexisted Mhmm. Along with Homo sapiens and Neanderthals for a long ass time. Yeah. Scientists may have discovered a new form of ancient humans known as large head people. So this is in December of twenty twenty four. Wow. The the Julurent Julurent.
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02:47:17
Large
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Julurent. Julurent. Large headed people. So they they they took, like, these skulls and tried to make, like, a, ai, a recreation of what they look like. They look like these jacked looking hairy cave people. They look pretty badass. That’s not her. She looks hot. She don’t they don’t look anything like that.
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You wouldn’t survive back then if you look like that.
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No. See if
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you can find, like, an image of what they recreated because the image looks pretty cool.
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02:47:44
I was so where does hunting videos fit in your YouTube algorithm? No.
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02:47:48
I watch those too. Oh. That’s, I watch, you know, I watch all yours, of course. I watch, a lot of different, I was watching Remy’s, some of Remy’s videos last night. That one and the with the one right there. Yeah. They there’s a video of one standing up. See if you can ai images.
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02:48:06
There’s one that we looked at before where the the dudes are standing up and he looks super yeah. That’s it. So this super jacked
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02:48:13
God. Hairy
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02:48:15
ai. Thick ass bones.
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02:48:17
Yeah.
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02:48:18
Like Neanderthals. Like, they were way different than us. They were way more jacked than us.
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02:48:22
He looks like a beast, doesn’t he? Yeah. Had to be to survive. And he made a arrowhead, it looked like he had in his hand or something.
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02:48:29
Yeah. Something. You know, I mean, Neanderthals, they did art. You know, they made cave art. Some of the cave art they know for sure was Neanderthals and some of it is pretty Ai different rendering. Woah. That’s what they look like.
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02:48:41
Fred Flintstone ai of.
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02:48:42
Bro, those things would have fucked us up. Imagine that guy in the UFC, you’d be ai, oh, Jesus. Imagine the guy on the right has to fight the guy on the left. Arya you fucking kidding me?
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Not good.
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02:48:53
So this is like this big dense it’s kinda weird that we ai. Especially, if you look at some of those marathon runners, like, imagine those people ai with that things around. Those things probably ate people. Like, look at that’s what they think they looked like.
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God. Fuck. Yeah. That’d be rough.
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02:49:12
Super dense ai jacked human beings. Oh. That one in the corner was walking to the ai, far right. Keep yeah. Look at that. Like, that’s what they think they look like. Yeah. Fuck that. Imagine you walk through the woods, you see that dude there.
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02:49:27
That’s that’s where Fuck. What is fascinating, you know, is, like, that’s what I do like about the endurance stuff that we’re doing is those people do you imagine how far they can get in a day?
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02:49:37
Oh, yeah. Probably hundreds of miles.
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02:49:39
And so nowadays, we’re so far the other way
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02:49:43
Yeah.
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02:49:43
Where if you if you walk a mile, you’ve done something.
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02:49:46
Well, you’re eating everything in the middle of the supermarket Yeah. And you’re watching video games, playing video games all day. Some kids aren’t even playing video games. They’re watching other people play
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02:49:57
ai games. That’s what’s, like it it’s pretty cool to think about. We’re still making our bodies go, sai, this 250 mile race. I mean, that’s kinda cool. Yeah. It is cool. But back then, they probably did that shit all the time.
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All the time.
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02:50:11
So we’re we’re built for that. Yeah. You know what I mean? They probably had to. Yeah. Of course, they had to, but, like, human as humans as a speak are built for endurance. So it’s that’s what I like about those events.
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02:50:24
Right. It’s like, this is what we’re supposed to be doing. Well, persistence hunting. You know, that’s pretty crazy. Yeah. Where you just chase an animal down because animals don’t sweat and people do. Sai you can’t outrun them in a sprint. No. But if you just keep chasing them, eventually, they die. Meh. Down. And then you just stab them when they’re out of breath and you eat them.
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02:50:45
You gotta be either in open country where you keep eyes on them or be able to track them really well.
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02:50:50
Isn’t that crazy that that was a strategy that humans employed? Just chase them until they run out of they can’t They still do it.
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02:50:56
Yeah. I think they still do it.
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02:50:58
I Ai bet that’s where some of the best marathon runners come out of too.
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02:51:01
For sure. You know? Yeah. It’s a those they’re so good at tracking in Africa because of that. It’s just like they can stay on those tracks with no blood or anything because, you know, that’s that’s the name of the game. Keep your eyes on them. Yeah. And then them out.
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02:51:15
That that’s what it’s always fascinating to me how guys can just look at the ground and see footprints where I don’t see shit. Yeah. And some guys that are just really good at it, man.
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02:51:26
Yeah. I mean, they can they can follow tracks ai across just solid rock. Wow. Just looking at little scuffs. They can see little scuffs from the hooves. That’s crazy. Ai I’ve I’ve been over there, you know, hunting quite a bit, and I would sit just as you just said, like, what are you seeing?
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And so I would ask them. It’s it’s hard because they speak Swahili, so you gotta it’s hard figuring it out, but I was there for three weeks one ai, so I kinda got dialed in. But so I would ask, what what are we looking at here? What what shah are you seeing? Or it’s just how grass grass will go a certain way.
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02:52:01
And then if it’s not that certain way, it’s because something made it. Mhmm. Something pushed it out of the way.
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02:52:07
Even if it’s just a little bit of grass. Yeah. You just, like, look for these moments.
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02:52:11
Small little tells. Wow. Yeah. So it’s ai being so that’s another reason why I love the mounds, love being out. It’s just you have to be so if you’re gonna be good at it, in tune with everything. You have to you have to be sensitive to almost everything. That’s how you can get within bow range of an animal and get it killed or find it after you’ve put an arrow in it.
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02:52:34
It’s like you’re just deciphering all this information. Yeah. Some people are good, some people are but mostly it’s experience related. Those people have learned in Africa, have learned from the best trackers there are. We haven’t had to be that good here, but I’ve I’ve wanted to to develop that skill and just get better.
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02:52:53
But it’s ai, it’s noticing the little the minute details.
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02:52:57
Someone had a really good argument. Do you remember who it was, Jamie, where they were talking about the invention of the bow and arrow, and they were saying the odds of this happening simultaneously all over the world are very ai. And that what’s much more likely is that someone developed that technology and was traveling.
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02:53:14
And that when you go back to the earliest use of the bow, which I don’t know when that was. Do you know when that was? Mhmm. Let’s guess. What’s what would you guess?
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02:53:24
How many thousands of years ago did they figure out the bow and
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02:53:26
arrow? Oh, my
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02:53:30
Three thousand?
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02:53:32
I would say. I mean It
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02:53:33
has to be before pyramids. Yeah. The pyramids are five thousand or 4,500. That’s the conventional I mean, so many so many people think it’s older than that.
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02:53:44
Let’s say ten thousand.
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02:53:45
Ten thousand years for the bow and arrow? So that means that someone had to be traveling. Because, like, the Native Americans had it, the Polynesians had it
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02:53:53
Mhmm.
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02:53:54
Like, everybody had it. Right? The Africans had it, Like, everyone had the bow and arrow. Europeans had it.
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02:54:00
When was, Mongolians?
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02:54:02
Oh, that was the December. The the rise of Genghis Khan was, like, the December. ’12 hundreds to the thirteen hundreds. Yeah. They had crazy balls.
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02:54:13
They did. They had
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02:54:13
a 60 pound
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02:54:15
pull.
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02:54:15
Your bows.
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02:54:15
Yeah. They were fucking people up with those bows. Yeah. Those guys, they say that their skeletons were distorted. You know, like, I’m talking about, like, I’m I’m trying to balance out my body because I’m pulling too much. Forearm would get Yeah. Everything was jacked. Their shoulders, their back, everything was ai toward torqued and twisted. Mhmm. What was the so let’s guess. What did we say?
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02:54:36
I said ten.
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02:54:37
Ten thousand years?
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02:54:37
You said
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02:54:39
I’m gonna say five.
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02:54:40
K.
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02:54:42
I believe what I just stumbled across is the earliest people known to have used bows and arrows were the ancient Egyptians who adopted archery in approximately twenty eight hundred BC.
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02:54:50
Okay. So roughly four thousand eight hundred plus years ago, roughly guessing. So how does it get to North America? How do those people get it? So if the Native Americans if we have evidence of human beings living in New Mexico when did they pick up the bow? Who got it to them?
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02:55:12
Because by the time Columbus came Mhmm. In the fourteen hundreds, they already had it. So where they get it? Who taught them that?
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02:55:21
Yeah.
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02:55:22
Where’d they get it? Did they figure it out independently to put feathers as fletchings and to put a yeah. Look at that cool picture from Egypt. Ai.
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02:55:32
That’s badass.
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02:55:33
That’s crazy. Right. So were the Egyptians traveling all the way to to North America? Like, who
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02:55:43
I don’t know.
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02:55:44
Who figured it out first?
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02:55:45
They had some sick stuff. But the
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02:55:47
do you remember who it was, Jamie?
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02:55:48
I was looking. Changed the question. Ai sai it went down
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02:55:52
the other route.
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02:55:52
It was a fascinating conversation because I never considered it until they brought it up. They said, I don’t think the bow and arrow just Ai he goes, I think that’s technology that was shared.
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02:56:02
Mhmm.
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02:56:03
Would which is a great argument for world travelers Yeah.
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02:56:06
Ai I’ve way before I was thinking about was there land bridges that we don’t know about? I don’t know.
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02:56:12
Well, there definitely was if you go back eleven thousand years ago. I mean, that’s when people were walking across the Bering Land Bridge and
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02:56:20
Yeah.
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02:56:21
Michael Waddell. Oh, Michael Waddell. Was it him that was saying that?
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02:56:24
I believe so.
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02:56:24
Look, I’m wearing the same shirt. What’s the odds?
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02:56:27
Well, you guys I know you guys are talking about, you know, Pope and Young went over
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02:56:31
Mhmm.
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02:56:32
On the boats and took remember they took tubs of arrows?
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02:56:35
Yeah. Because they’re just slinging them.
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02:56:37
And they’re gonna be gone for, like, what, seven months?
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02:56:40
Yeah.
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02:56:40
And then Waddell had some great stories about talking to his wife about, hey. I’m gonna go hunt and be back next year. You know? Because it’s, like, so long of a boat ride. Man.
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02:56:51
Yeah. Yeah. Just the people getting in boats back then was so nuts.
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02:56:56
I I just know that, you know, Fred Baer has that quote, the history of of archery is a his history of mankind.
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02:57:02
Mhmm. I
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always think of that. So as long as man’s been around, we’ve had to kill. The archery equipment is
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02:57:08
Well, it must have just completely opened up the door for having more kids, for being able to survive and feed your family. Because if you’re just stabbing things, you gotta get so close. And then you get an vatsal. Okay. How far can you throw that? Yeah.
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02:57:24
But then, if you got a bow, like, now ai of a sudden, all those fuckers over there are in trouble. Yeah. You know, and they don’t even know yet. They don’t even know what to look out for. And these things whistling through the air.
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02:57:36
Contradictory information.
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02:57:37
Oh, what
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is this? The four waves of bow and arrow use in Northern Meh, North Meh, this occurred at 12,000 woah. 12,000. 12 thousand years ago.
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02:57:51
Yeah. Sai started going down this hole and
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02:57:53
So it’s preoccupation BC then?
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02:57:56
I don’t know what No. Twelve thousand years ago is 10,000 BC.
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02:57:59
Okay. They found bows in different places.
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02:58:01
Woah. That’s nuts.
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02:58:04
Ai
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don’t know for sure.
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02:58:05
12,000 years ago.
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02:58:07
Yeah. Ai see the Alaska Peninsula.
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02:58:09
Right. So again so 12,000 years ago, now it makes sense that people are walking. So people from Asia could walk over. I mean, maybe it was made in Asia.
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02:58:18
Yeah. But but
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02:58:20
30,000. 30 thousand. I don’t know what the evidence says that that is.
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02:58:24
Sub Arctic Sai Arctic people first brought archery bow with them to North America from Asia 30 Thousand Years ago.
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Wow. Okay. Ai of sub archery.
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So thirty thousand years ago, people were supposedly dumb as shit and, you know, how are they figuring out how to make a stick fly through the air with a string?
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And kill things with it.
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And kill things with it. Yeah. And hunt. Mongolian people were the first to adapt adopt, the bow in the Southwestern region of what is now called The United States. Woah. That’s all. Meh, Mogollon, not Mongolian. Mogollon. I don’t even know who they are.
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Arya thousand years ago?
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Yeah. Wow.
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Yeah. Just after Jesus?
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Thirty thousand years ago is nuts.
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That is
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But it’s ai, how does that get all around the world? That’s right. Really interesting because it’s not like there’s a bunch of different different versions of it.
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Yeah. Because he it said the physical character characteristics of this bow are striking me in several respects. So it’s ai Yeah. There’s
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there’s no it doesn’t say what that is.
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That’s a recurve.
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No. No. I just mean, like, when they found
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Oh, right. Right. Right.
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Right. Yeah. I thought I thought that they were saying that no matter where they found these bows, they were all very similar.
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Right.
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Which they had the fletchings.
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It it goes to your point of how did that information get around the world.
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How did they figure that out? Yeah. First recorded use of archer barter could quite early in human history. Images from the Paleolithic and Mesolithic cave paintings 10,000 BC in Spain and France to pick groups of simple silhouetted figures using the bow as both the weapon of combat and the hunt.
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See if you can find some of those images. The Yeah. The meh methalith mesolithic?
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Yep. Cave.
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That’s, that one documentary, the Cave of Dreams. It’s a Werner Herzog film. I think that’s what it’s called. Is that you down there?
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Looked like it. Woah. Isn’t that sweet?
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That’s crazy. Look at that one. Look at that one.
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Go to that one.
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That one right there. Woah. That’s crazy. 7,000 year old bow and arrow painting.
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God. Wow. That’s what you know, anytime I get those people in there for lift, run, shoot, and Wayne starts talking to him at the bow rack, he’s just, like, showing him how to shoot a bow, and people are ai they get it. He’s ai, feels familiar. Right? He goes, because that’s that’s what man’s always done. That’s why it feels familiar.
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So it’s ai people who have never done it, all of a sudden are ai, Yeah. They’re like, oh, this this stirs something up in them.
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It does resonate. Right? It does resonate with your DNA.
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Just me it just you can tell.
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You know what I tell people? It’s like it’s like, you know when you catch a fish, like, even when kids catch a fish. Yeah.
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I remember
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when my daughter caught tyler first fish. The excitement is bryden genetic.
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Oh, you
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got one. You got one. Because How do
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you know you’re supposed to be excited? Right.
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Why are they exciting? Yeah. Why why is it exciting to catch a fish? But because it’s programmed into your DNA from the time we were figuring out how to catch fish shah if you caught a fish, you get to live. Mhmm. You get to eat it. So you get a reward.
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Your
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body gets excited about catching that. That’s that same feeling. That’s why people, like, when they could shoot something and it hits the spot. Yeah. It’s not ai throwing a basketball through a hoop. That’s ai of fun, but it doesn’t have the same feeling. No. There’s a feeling of archery when you hit something.
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It’s like, oh, yes.
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Yeah. You see an animal, you’re like, I wonder if I could hit that with my arrow. Yeah. You just wanna shoot at stuff.
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Yeah. Well, I was at the zoo the other day. I was sending you pictures.
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I know. Yeah. I zoomed on animals, but I’m a little red dot. Ai mean, I’m driving and I see horses, cows, whatever. And I’m like, I see cows, legs forward. I’m like, oh, god. I could get an arrow right now right in the lungs there. Perfect. It’s just that’s just what you you ai program your brain to to see. Right.
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But it’s also, like, the same drive that leads you to run all these miles to be at your best, and that also makes you concentrate on being accurate at archery all it’s and thinking about archery all the time. If you don’t, you won’t be as good as you can be. If you wanna be as good as you possibly can be, you have to ai of think about
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it that way. All encompassing. Yeah. That’s All encompassing.
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Take over your fucking brain.
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Yeah. Imagine if
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you can get those people from back then, ai, let me show you some shit.
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I would love it.
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Is called a Hogfather. I’ve like
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I’ve wanted to go over, like, there’s there’s these people that have god, what tribe is that that have an Instagram page? I think I’ve they were the red stuff. I think, in Africa. I think I’ve sent you that. Yes.
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
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Sana. And hunt with them so fucking ai. Yes.
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Yeah. Sai
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wanna go over there so bad and just hang out.
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They would probably freak out when they saw your bow.
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Ai, what
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are you doing?
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I know when I went to Tanzania, they I would just shoot it, like, they’d put up, like, a a buffalo quarter.
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Hadza also do have
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The Hadza too. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. That’s, the people that David Cho went over and hung out with. Right?
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That’s yeah. 2,300,000 followers. Woah.
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Yeah. That’s not the one I was thinking. Interesting.
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Influencing. Yeah.
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There’s an influencer. What’s the lady doing there? The upper left lady. What’s she doing with the Hanzo?
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Well Yeah.
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Let’s wrap this up, Cam. Your book, perfect ai, undeniable. It is a perfect ai. Really is. I mean, that’s one of the things that we always talk about. Like, it gotta be undeniable.
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Yeah.
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It’s perfect perfect name. I just think it it it
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captures what we’re trying to to do in life.
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Yeah. Yeah. What everybody’s trying to do in life. If you’re really trying to do something well, you you know, you’re gonna have some haters. What’s the best way to silence haters? When? Be undeniable.
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Be undeniable.
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So if you’re talking shit, you just look like an idiot. You just look like a fool.
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Here’s what I’ve learned. This is gonna be this is probably gonna hit pretty hard. I don’t know if you ever heard this before, but it pays to be a winner. So Ai undeniable to me, it’s like the people I’ve had on. I’ve learned so much from you’re featured in the book, but it’s like what makes people undeniable?
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What allows people to regardless of what they do to rise to the top? And it’s there’s certain characteristics of each person and what it is. It’s like they have this overwhelming passion for whatever they’re doing. It’s like that’s all they care about. It’s all they think about Rocky Marciano, Goggins, whoever whoever you know of.
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If you think of, like, a person’s name doing something, they’re under they’ve
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Yeah.
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They’re obsessed with whatever they’re doing.
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Speaking of obsess, I’m obsessed with getting something right. I don’t think I think the sagittal crest is actually the the peak of the skull that gorillas have.
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Mhmm.
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I think I fucked that up. I think there’s a different word. I was looking for a different word for those cracks in the the skull. It’s not sagittal crest. I think the sagittal crest is that thing that separates, like, what a gorilla skull looks like versus a chimpanzee skull. There it is. Yeah. That’s the sagittal crest.
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That’s that ridge bone.
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Yeah. So
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what is the what are those lines called? Oh, it’s a suture. That’s right. That’s right. That’s what they call it. So there’s a coronal suture and then there’s the other one. Fucking heads are weird. Imagine that’s a person.
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I know.
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How fucking weird that is. Good. See that weird so that’s what a normal person looks ai. They got that weird line. Oh, that’s what so it’s, peridial foramen. So that’s a sagittal suture, and then then there’s this other suture. Lambdoid. What’s that other suture called? See that lambdoid Mhmm.
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On the
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left there?
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Yeah. Lambdoid suture and the sagittal suture. Yeah. So that’s what the sagittal is the line that they’re missing. The one that goes up the men. That’s, look at that gorilla head in the lower right hand corner. Oh, fucking cool. Gorillas almost have like a mohawk in their skull because they have this giant muscles for chomping on fucking roots and shit.
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And you would never if you hit that fucker in the head, it wouldn’t do anything. I would
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laugh at you. Have you ever seen, they there’s a three d image? We can end with this because, people always say, how many fucking people do you think it would take
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To beat a gorilla.
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To beat a gorilla. Yeah. Well, guess what? It don’t it literally doesn’t matter. So somebody, made, ai, a a you know how they do, like, recreations, like, let’s find out. And so they, showed what would happen. I just sent it to you, Jane. They shah what would happen if a hundred dudes ai to fight a gorilla. Spoiler alert, hundred dudes get fucked up.
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Look at this. This is what it would look like. Oh meh god. Ai, the gorillas try to ai. It just turns around and just starts fucking people up.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah. You got no chance.
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Could you imagine taking a big right from that thing?
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I would watch the first couple dudes take a right and I would take a left. Yes. I’ll be like, see, I’m gonna I don’t think gorillas are gonna chase meh. You know?
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You just gotta get his back? Nope. Get your back. If he did meh get on his back, he would just grab you with one arm and throw you fucking 50 yards.
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He would grab you and his grip would break your fucking rib cage. It would just he would his fingers would probably penetrate your skin and go right through to your organs. Hey. Like, he’s just fucking all these people up. Boom. Boom.
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That guy took a couple in a row.
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The Russians probably tried this already. They probably already had look at this. All these other guys ai like, oh, I’m gonna give it a shot. I’m gonna give it my best.
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Oh, a pay per view.
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Yeah. Why are these guys still there?
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I don’t know.
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Because they’re being forced. Look, he’s running, trying to blow a bitch ass hammer fist to hit that gorilla.
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It’s not if you get your kinda bell rung a little bit and you’re kinda dazed and then you’re just standing there
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and taking far everybody flies too when he hits them. Boom.
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What? Ai that would be a good one end end on, but here’s what we really need to end on because last time, Endure was, like, the number one seller, and they put it number seven or something on New York Times. So we need Why was it? We need number one. We we deserve number one.
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We should be number one
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this time. You didn’t get number one because of some weird shit. It’s not Because New York the New York Times bestseller list is an editorial. Yeah.
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That’s what’s weird. If it just goes based on sales, Endure would have been up there, but they gave me number seven.
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So crazy that they Just just
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give me what I deserve to lie.
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Why ai lying?
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I don’t know.
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If you’re gonna have a top 10, why lie? You’re lying. You can’t decide that this one’s a top 10 because it’s made by a transgender person of color. Is this better?
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I don’t know if it helps me to call them out or
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No. They’re gonna fuck you no matter what. But America will know. But on Amazon, that’s not curated. Right? No. No. So that’ll be legit.
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That’s sales. Sales.
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That’ll be legit. So that’s the one that should count.
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But yeah. I mean, the the whole point also, I wanted to also end on, I wouldn’t have had the success with those books if not for you. You wrote the forward to endure. It made the New York Times bestseller list. You know as well as anybody, the next book, if you can say ram the New York Times best selling author of Endure, that just makes the next helps.
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Next one go crazy. So without you, this wouldn’t have happened.
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Well, without you, I would have never been bow hunting. So
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And we wouldn’t own archery country. Yeah.
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We wouldn’t own archery country. Alright. Let’s bring it home. Endure, it’s out now?
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It’s out May 6.
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May sixth?
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No. No. Endure is out. Oh, excuse me.
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Undeniable. Undeniable is out May 6. Today is April 29. So wait a week. Tuesday. Did you do the audio version of it?
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I did. Yes. I did. Yes. It was tough, but people love it.
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Yeah. They do. They want it in your voice. It has to be. It has to be in your voice.
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Well, Joe, thank you.
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My pleasure, brother. I love you to death. You’re the best. Alright. Goodbye, everybody ai.
