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José Andrés is a chef, restaurateur, TV host, author, and founder of the nonprofit organization World Central Kitchen. His new book, “Change the Recipe: Because You Can’t Build a Better World Without Breaking Some Eggs,” is available now. He is the co-host of NBC’s new cooking competition show “Yes, Chef!”
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#2315 – José Andrés Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the conversation revolves around themes of genuine curiosity, the power of food, and societal issues. Joe Rogan emphasizes the importance of authentic interest in conversations, which he believes is the key to the podcast’s success. The episode features a guest who is passionate about food and its role in connecting people, highlighting how food can be a medium of expression and a tool for social change.
The guest discusses their culinary journey, including their involvement in a Netflix documentary and their work with World Central Kitchen, a humanitarian organization. They stress the importance of feeding the hungry and the role of government in addressing poverty and hunger. The guest also shares personal stories about cooking with family and the impact of becoming a parent.
A recurring theme is the interconnectedness of people and the importance of kindness, even in disagreements. The conversation touches on the impact of the pandemic on the restaurant industry, particularly in California, and the broader implications of government power and restrictions.
Actionable insights include the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive friends, being open to learning, and the power of saying “thank you” and “sorry.” The guest also advocates for policies that ensure every child is fed and for leaders to bring out the best in people.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of hope and the potential for positive change through collaboration and understanding, with food as a central element in fostering community and connection.
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#2315 – José Andrés Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Let’s go. Jose, my man.
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I cannot believe I’m here. I can’t believe you’re here either. I’m so happy, yo. I remember when, you know, people began telling me, hey. You know you know, you’re Bryden? And I ai like, oh, you’re Bryden? What? Because I’m I’m always lost. Right? Yeah. You’re Ram. Loves Bazaar. Yes.
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Loves Bazaar in Las Vegas.
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Meh favorite restaurant in Vegas.
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Loves Bazaar meh in Las Vegas. And I’m like, really? Shit. And, you know, you’re happy every time you you listen that anybody likes your restaurant.
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Well, your restaurant is set up so good. When you walk in, the those Argentine grills are going with the live wood fires. Oh, and you smell the stakes right when you walk in. Oh, it’s perfect honeypot. Because if you’re not hungry, you get hungry the moment you walk in the door.
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So so you know, bazaar, I opened, first one. Oh ai god. Over fifteen years ago in LA, in a in this hotel, amazing hotel, SLS ai Philippe Starck. Sarnasarium was the brains behind the whole project. And and and the restaurant just became, wow, big, big, big hit in LA. It was a crazy place.
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It was like Alice in Ai, like, Yo in Wonderland. But then when we were opening SLS, the same hotel in Vegas, we were like, let’s do bazaar, but something else. And, obviously, what everybody loves in Vegas is a meat place. So we got the spirit of the original bazaar. Same dishes, the whimsy, the cotton candy foie gras, the Philly cheese steak that you eat you eat in one ai, but we brought meats.
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Meats from different parts of The United States, different parts of Spain, Europe, Iberico pork, big grills, and was kind of fancy. You could go fancy. You could go codon candy and cones of caviar, which by the way, I have here some cones if you’re hungry later. But then you can go and you eat the steak. That’s it.
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Why is Vegas, a big meat place?
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It feels like he’s a I mean, he’s a lot of steak houses. A lot of steak houses. Yeah.
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Not a lot of great ones, though.
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A lot of women I It has a Overall, it’s good. I’m not gonna be the one saying it.
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There’s a few that
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You you you can. You can. Ai not gonna be the one.
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Couple are good ones.
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I’m not gonna be. I mean, listen. He’s a great chef. Ai my friend, Tom Colicchio, has one.
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What’s that one?
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Tom, you don’t even know that. It’s so many casinos. I don’t know what Tom Colicchio. Tom Colicchio, the chef. Wow. You know everything. Yeah. That’s the one we’ve been to at MGM.
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That one’s great. Yeah.
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Yeah. That one’s Tom. And Tom is a great guy.
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Is great. What is it called? Ram steak?
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Is it craft steak? Craft? Yes. One. Ai think Wolf and Pack has another one. Anyway, it is many other ones with names, with chefs behind, with no chefs. Yeah. Big name chefs.
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Ai name. Cleaver is great.
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That’s awesome. I’ve been. That’s ai good.
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Very good.
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Yeah. People this is good you mentioned that because when we go Vegas, we stay in the casinos, and we go to the casinos, hotels, and that’s it. Yeah. And me, I’ve always been a big fan of saying, it’s okay, but make the effort to leave the casino Yes. Leave the strip, and also visit some of the other restaurants.
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Yeah. You could travel a little bit.
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Because they deserve, that we visit them to Vegas is the casinos, but Vegas, like every other city in America, every other city in the world, is so much more. Right. We all go to the Wizard of Oz. Yeah. Here we go. That’s it. Nothing else. No. Go beyond beyond the obvious. Yeah. And you’re gonna discover great things.
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But, a bazaar I’m moving bazaar. Where? To the Venetian.
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Oh, well, that that other casino is gonna starve then. They’re gonna fall apart. No.
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No. It’s a good reason why I’m No. It’s a good casino. It’s a good casino, and and they do good job. The Sahara, and the owner is a good ai. And we need to
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I’m sure.
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And and they’re gonna put a great concept there too.
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Ai they would gonna replace
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Ai don’t know yet. They didn’t announce. If I can, I will help them? I’ve been helping them. But I’m moving to the Venetian. But certainly to the Venetian.
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And when is that gonna happen?
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At the end of this year. Okay. Soon. You you’ll be there. I’ll be prepared. You’ll be ai? I’m gonna come. You you should be invited?
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It’s my favorite place to go on Vegas.
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You know, I I I’m I’m very happy because it’s almost you know, I don’t know if it’s the same as when a player moves to a new NBA team. Sometimes works.
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Sometimes doesn’t work. No. Bazaar meets, it’ll work.
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But but, you know, it’s it’s it’s it’s that feeling. Right? It’s like I’m going to this new casino. They are it’s great, closer to my other restaurants, the Cosmopolitan. Mhmm. I can go walk in from one to each other and Better nice. Better for me.
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Yeah.
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And and then I had the other bazaar, which is bazaar. Man, I’m sorry. It sound like a commercial, but
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No.
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You know, restaurants are like my babies.
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I’ve eaten at your place in Chicago as well.
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Yeah. The bazaar meh in Chicago and bazaar is
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great. Excellent.
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So but, sir, it’s kind of again, restaurants for me, you know, they’ve never been business. God knows Ai not even I’m not the best businessman. I’m surrounded by good business people. I am Ai that’s why they’re so
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good, though. I think that’s why they’re so good. I think if you were just concentrating on making money, it wouldn’t ai worth
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it. I should. I know. You shouldn’t.
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You keep doing what you’re doing.
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It’s not a bad thing, but but I am a well, you are a storyteller. You are a storyteller. You are, a troubadour, a medieval troubadour that will tell the stories of what was happening around the castles and courts in medieval times in Europe. You you’re a storyteller. Right? I ram not very good at anything. My English, I miss a lot of words that I wish I knew. So I Yeah.
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But it sounds cool.
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Ai could express myself better.
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No. No. No. No. No.
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But I’m a storyteller, and I tell stories through dishes. That’s who
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I am. Yeah. Well, you do a fantastic job of that. And the the passion that you have for food comes through. It comes through in your restaurants. It really does. Like, you can tell the difference between someone who just really loves food and someone who’s just trying to make money.
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So it’s good that you’re not a good businessman and that you surround yourself with good businessmen because that’s all you need. Good businessmen that you can trust, and then you concentrate on what you do best. That’s a perfect marriage.
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You know, the I’m 55. I’m about to become 56. Ai in July July thirteenth. I born in ’69. And I I realized not only as a chef, but as a person, as a as a man, as a father, as a husband, as a all all the different labels we all have. It’s always that the more you know, the more you realize you know nothing. Right. In the old days, I will be 23. Yeah. I know. I know. I know.
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I know. Now is like I don’t know. Tell me. And even even if I know something in a conversation, I used to tell do you know about I said, I don’t. Why?
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Because I wanna listen because I wanna learn. I I realized that me leaving home fairly fairly early and not going to university and not not even beginning first year of high school, I was out. I didn’t even graduated on the first year. That one of the things I needed was receive education, but knowing the traditional way. The traditional way was not for me.
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Just being there eight hours a day listening to all the hundred kings we have in Spain growing up in a like, why I need to know? And listen, and I respect kings, and I and I love the king of Spain. I think he’s a great man, a great a great human being. It has nothing to do with that. It’s only I didn’t wanna know what the other 200 kings we had in Speak in this history.
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It’s not what I was interested. Yeah. I would be interested in knowing what they did that was amazing, but not knowing about their names and their last names. I didn’t care about that. So I needed to find ways for me to use to learn.
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So that’s why for meh, use I realized the most I the more I know, the more I know nothing. And I’m in this moment, I’m 55, that I’m just eager to learn. I wanna know more. I wanna learn more. I want to I’m talking now, but I wanna listen more. Ai only wanna be just a better a better person by learning.
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Yeah. Well, that’s beautiful. And when you’re young, you think you know everything. And as you get older there’s a quote by, I think it’s Dennis McKenna said this, that as this as the bonfire of enlightenment grows, the surface area of ignorance is exposed. So the more you learn, the more you realize there’s so much you don’t know. Whereas as you’re young, you think you can’t fucking I figured it all out.
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And then as you get older, you’re like, there’s so much I don’t know. Not only that, there’s no way I can know everything. It’s not possible. That’s why fools argue about things that they don’t know. Instead of just going, what is that? How does that work?
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You know, instead of actually being genuinely curious, fools like to try to pretend that they know more than they know. Well, there’s no it’s not possible to breathe underwater. Don’t pretend you can. It’s not possible to know everything. You just can’t. There’s gonna be people that know things that you don’t know. Celebrate that. Enjoy it.
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You ai, I think that’s one of the best things that it’s ever happened to me, through this podcast is I get to talk to so many different people that have lived so many different lives and have so many different passions and so many different interests and so many different things that they’ve studied.
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It’s, an amazing education, but I was a lot like you. I did not want to sit in school. Whatever ADHD is, I have it. You know, whatever the fuck it is.
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I’m raising my hand. I got it. I I mean, ai, sometimes, but, you know, I have people that oh, that’s, oh, my son has this. I’m like, what? Your son is an amazing human, a smart individual. Yeah. And I feel like I connect with him because I think we are alike. So Ai raise my hand.
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Ai I am that too.
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I subscribe to the idea that a ADHD is a superpower. I really do. Because I think the people that can’t focus on nonsense, generally speaking, they can focus on things they love. Really focus. They get really excited about certain things, but everything else they can’t be bothered with. Like, when I was a kid, I remember being in math class and checking out.
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Because I said, wait a minute. Can I do this on a calculator? Yes. There are calculators. Right? And there’s an unlimited supply of batteries. Right? They sai, yes.
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I’m like, I’m out. I’m out. I’m not gonna think about math now because this is not something I’m interested in. If I can do all this math on a calculator, why do I need to learn how to do it? Obviously, that’s a dumb way to think.
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That’s I was 13. But I remember thinking that at 13 years old. I’m ai. But I’m not gonna think about this anymore. Just gonna use a calculator.
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This is so stupid.
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Just give me the result?
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Yeah. I don’t need to know how you made all those numbers work. I just like I know it’s real. Okay. That’s great. I’m interested in other things. But the thing is school was designed to make good factory workers. That’s what school was designed for. The American school system at least was designed by the Rockefellers, and what they’re essentially doing is preparing people to be cogs in a wheel.
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They’re preparing people to just show up and do what you’re told and live this life of quiet desperation and just sit there and absorb whatever they tell you to because you’re gonna have to go and work and do something you don’t wanna do all day long and show up and do it again until your body stops working and you die.
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I I don’t know if I will a % agree with that statement in the sense of this was created by design. I think Well,
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the school system in Meh, it certainly was created by design. Yeah. But The idea of sitting people down, especially young kids for eight hours a day is a ridiculous idea.
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But but the schools sana education go way beyond America and go go back back in time. We we’re always always an interest for writing and teaching and sharing knowledge. Yeah. And, obviously, the very few lucky ones, centuries and centuries ago, were the ones that were able to acquire that knowledge. Yes.
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But I think starting people off at five years old and sitting them in classes all day, that’s relatively new in human history. This is what I’m talking about. This this sitting people in classrooms all day as children, this is relatively new in human history. This is not something that people did hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
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When you think about all the great scholars of the past, just they they certainly learned in school. They didn’t do it the way they’re doing it today.
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I’m not an expert on that front, but I can tell you when my daughters began going to school, my wife sai to take them to, Montessori. Oh,
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that’s where everybody’s in the same grade. Right?
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Very meh, but the type of learning and the type of teaching and the method of Montessori, I was fascinated ai. I was so fascinated that I almost felt, like sai a dad, I had to go to a school to learn the Montessori system myself because I I thought it was great. I thought it was giving my daughters use a a great a great framework to understand how to be themselves, how to grow, how to organize themselves, giving them the freedom to become the the young woman they they are becoming.
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So for me, just watching them going through when they were four or five, going to Montessori. I thought that was amazing because I saw little human beings that they they were far away smarter, I think, than when I was at their same age. It was not ai system of education that was used guiding them like cows or like horses when they put how do you call this thing? Blinders. The blinders? Yeah.
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No. It was the contrary. It was opening their wall, not only three sixty, but almost three meh. Giving them options for them to be their own their own the owners of their destiny, I will say. I think that’s why my daughters became so highly opinionated.
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And so, daddy, thank you for your opinion, but let me tell you, it’s something else here. Okay. Okay. Alright. And I love it.
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That so, yeah, I I’m not the expert on education or ICU point, but still, I’m not gonna lie to you, yo. I wish that in the same time the same way I told you Ai didn’t go through proper education. In many ways, I wish I received a slightly more proper education. Like, I learn business hitting the wall every time. You know?
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Winston Churchill, they claim he said that success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm. I had a lot of a lot of successes, but they had my share of failures too. Like, I’m sure everybody does. Yeah. But what makes the difference between looking down and never moving again or Picking up the pieces. Picking up the pieces and let’s do it again is enthusiasm.
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That’s a great quote. Failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.
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Ai. You know, every phrase that is a good phrase, and they don’t know who did it. Right. Let’s give it to Worcester Church.
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Or Socrates. Yeah. Socrates. Yeah.
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Socrates. There’s always a
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bunch of those. Yeah. Yeah. But whatever it is, it’s it’s accurate. It’s definitely accurate. I just think that there’s a lot of different roles in life and the problem with traditional school is that they’re preparing you for a job. And, I think there’s a lot of, like, very creative people that would be served better if they had a more open ended education, and they were allowed to just pursue their interests and be excited about certain things and just get a rudimentary education in other things.
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That’s just my opinion. Because I think there’s there’s certain people that are they just don’t fit in with the regular nine to five life. It’s just not for them. And ai I said, you can call it ADHD, whatever you wanna call it. There’s a lot ai all my friends, everyone I hang out with, I don’t know anybody that’s, like, built for regular life.
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Yeah. On that, I feel I’m more in your club. I think the best university is the University of Life.
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Yes. As long as you’re really engaging, as long as you’re really doing something and really challenging yourself and really applying yourself to something. That’s yeah. I agree with you. And, you know, you have to have a lot of I think the more interest you have, the more things you’re fascinated by, the broader your understanding of human beings will be and the better your life will be.
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Yeah. And engaging. Yes. Engaging. I I I know lately I’ve been, you know, taking the the taxi ride or the Uber ride or Ai drive myself sometimes, but I’m realizing, for example, the the most fascinating moment is when I go back to use on the subway. It’s just
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And just talk to people. It’s just great. Or see people. People watch.
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Well, I mean, in your case, everybody will recognize you. In my case, yeah, people may recognize me too, obviously, in DC, New York, and then things happen. So it’s you have to engage for all these things of education, as you said Yeah. To happen Yeah. Because yeah. It’s the only way things happen.
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I mean, you know, I have this new book. This is another commercial, change the recipe, which I’m touring right now. And Oh, yeah. And I ai. And I say one of the quotes Ai I give it’s very important to me.
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I mean, it’s a phrase probably you heard often meh times before that life starts at the end of your comfort zone. Mhmm. You and I were talking about education. That means that the true education happens at the end of your comfort zone. Right. Because if you are not pushed Right.
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To the limits, what it is is what it is, and that’s it. You don’t need to know anything else. You don’t need to learn anything else. You arya in a safe space. You’re in your cube. Yeah. You’re in your room. Yeah. Everybody is protecting you, and the system protects you, and you are okay.
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The only thing, the only moment will become interesting is when you leave that room of comfort. You go to the edges of that ai, and you cross that line of the horizon. That’s the moment that life gets really interesting.
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Yes. Yeah. I agree. I think just a lot of people that don’t have experience challenging themselves, they get fearful. They get fearful. They get in they anticipate things. They get anxiety, and they just never learned how to challenge themselves. That’s the problem. They never they never walked out on the end of the pier, you know, so to speak. They never they never push themselves.
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And because of that, they’re terrified of it. But just you need, like, little baby steps. Do something you’ve never done before. Go take a yoga class. Go learn how to speak Spanish. Go do something. Do something different, and then try to do something else different. Try to add a little bit.
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Don’t just go right into, like, doing a triathlon. Like, do something that just makes you a little nervous, and then try to build on that, but do it intentionally. That’s my advice.
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Remember meh this is a reason why people sometimes they are so scared of the world because actually the world is a scary place.
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It certainly can be.
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Ai think the world is a wonderful place, but for for centuries, for thousands of years, humans. Planet Earth is beautiful, but the world is full of dangers. Yes. Just get lost in a forest Yeah. Without anybody, without anything, even without a knife. Yeah. And and things are gonna happen. Yeah.
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Scuba dive in the waters, in the dark ocean. Dangerous. There are things moving in the water. Yes. Things are complicated.
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If you are trying to feed yourself, is this is this mushroom poisonous or not? You know, to to be to be a human yeah. I’ll get coffee. To be a human for for centuries, for thousands of years was a dangerous place. So I’m only saying that this is part of the DNA, that is part of who we are as humans, that we want to be in a place we feel protected.
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Yeah. And equally, we want to protect our loved ones. Yes. So it’s it’s just a a human natural response through the evolution of humanity for thousands of years.
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That is true. But also to the contrary, when you take risks and then you get rewards from those risks, you then start getting very excited about taking risks. You get excited about adventure. You get excited about doing things where you’re not certain how it’s gonna turn out.
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Ai, you opening up the new Bazaar Meats at the Venetian. Who knows? Who knows? I think it’s gonna be great. But who knows? Like, new things, new challenges.
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New challenges are exciting.
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But that’s why humans, even sometimes we feel we want to be alone in a cave
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That’s what you’re saying before.
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On the top of a mountain ai before I came in.
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You’re saying that you wanna open up a restaurant where only four people can go.
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Yeah. You have
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to get to the top of the mountain.
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And you have to walk. ai miles. Yeah. And if you get there and the four seats are taken, you have to wait in you have to camp until next day. That’s it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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And you ai no bottles of oxygen and all that crop that people that go to the Everest do.
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Yeah. That’s ridiculous.
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Yeah. I don’t get it.
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It. I don’t get it. Yeah. Big line of people. Yeah. They ai, I go to the top.
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Yeah. I go to the top, and they had 10 guys carrying their Yeah. Carrying their belongings. Sherpas. Yeah. The Sherpas and their oxygen bottles. Ai, actually actually, if I was any of the countries that controls the access to all those amazing mountains, all the top the eight the 8 K, the Aconcagua, and the and the Everest and all the big speak, I will make it mandatory that you have to go on your own.
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You could argue that, okay, but then scuba diving, you are using air. Why scuba
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That’s different.
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Okay. But but but I wanna be fair. It will be an argument. No? And, Jose, you like ai scuba dive? You can go down into the ocean and you can bring air, but I’m going to the Everest and I cannot bring air. But I take my bottle with me. I don’t litter the bottom of the ocean as I scuba dive. I leave the ocean as I found it.
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That’s the real problem with Everest is the litter and the human waste. Tons tons of poop. Just human poop all over the side of
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the surface. Meh holding their poop. I get it. But I
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get it too. But it’s
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They can put it on the back, maybe on They can’t even take them.
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Well, they can’t even take the bodies down.
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The the tree die there. There’s What?
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How many bodies are on the side of Everest?
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Well, as How many bodies?
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How many bodies are on Everest?
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Sai climate change, it’s it’s Gotta be dozens. Taking down some of the ice and there’s no one. Listen, bro. There
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ain’t no climate change up there. That’s gonna be cold for
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a long, long Ai don’t know. I’ve not ai, but not yet, but who knows? But some ice is disappearing. Yeah. How many? Well, it says over
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three people have died and many have been unclaimed. This doesn’t say that number. Over thirty? Over three hundred have died. Three hundred have died. It says many have
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been unclaimed. Dangerous thing. Even yeah. Even 200 bodies
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approximately still on the mountain. Yeah. They they they have, like there’s a map where all the bodies arya. But I see your point.
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But this is a a interesting ai that people want to go to the topics. Even myself, I’ve I thought about it. Mhmm. Like, do I do that one day? Because Ai you know, as you grow older, it’s like, I have all these things I wanna do in ai, and I wanna do check check. Yeah. I wanna go Joe Rogan. Will he invite me to his show? Like, let me let me send him a text message. Check. Here I am.
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So maybe one day maybe one day, I should do it, but but, I wanna do it in a more, like, the old days in a more you know, I need to get probably in better shape to do it.
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Ai think the first guy that did it died. What what was the first
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Something like that.
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Their his body is still up there, I believe. The first guy, they think he made it up to the ai.
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And he still is not
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true. His body is on the way down. So they don’t know if he actually made it and died on the way down or if he died on the way up, and then the second guy made it all the way up. But, yeah, not good. Without bryden, in particular, very difficult to do. So you
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mentioned about the tribes. Right? The ai and and The Sherpas? No. And and before that, we were having the conversation about the world is a dangerous. Yes. It’s a dangerous place. That’s why we like drives because when yes. Because the world is a dangerous place, so we feel unprotected by by things, by life.
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Right.
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But what everything that surround us and that’s why then humans, we we had to be part of a family, part of a little tribe that then became bigger, because we cannot all be good at everything. Like, you like your friends, me like my friends. Ai I I I know the things I’m good at, which are not many, but I know the things I’m not good vatsal life, at work, whatever.
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Surround yourself with those people that cover your blind spots.
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Mhmm.
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Surround yourself with friends that cover your blind speak, that make you better in the same way you are gonna be making them better Yes. Where everybody covers each other’s weaknesses.
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Yes. Well, you have to do that in the kitchen. Right?
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It’s no other way.
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Yeah. And everybody has to work hard. I mean, that that is one of the most underappreciated, grueling jobs is to be a cook in a kitchen with 15 other guys and women and everyone’s running around. Everyone’s got a job. You got a hundred people out there waiting to be served.
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You’re running around making this and that, this and vatsal, and orders are coming in, and this is medium rare and this and that, and that’s this.
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Well, I think this is the ultimate power. The the ultimate power is that power of being able to feed somebody. That’s why for me I mean, we are all cooks in a way, directly, indirectly. But the power of feeding somebody is the that’s all the power I wanna I have to feed humanity.
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Not physically, but even in a ways what you do, you you owe the people that listen to you is you you’re feeding them. You’re feeding their soul.
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You’re serving. Yeah. You’re serving.
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But but feeding is is is but you’re feeding yeah. Feeding food, but we are all we are all feeding each other. We’re feeding each other with hope. We’re feeding each other with respect, with dignity, with love. Right. With food. Yes. But it’s about feeding. Yeah. I’m gonna feed you. Yes.
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And I know you’re gonna feed me back. Yes. So in a in a weird ai for me, Ai love that my culinary profession. I agree with you. It’s a hard one. You know, has come a long way. Sai come a long way.
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I’m talking about, you know, thirty, forty years ago, even in Spain, if it depends where you live. If you told your family you wanted to be a cook, Oh my god. Well, I was looking, like, was not a was not a profession that was seen as wow. You know? Right. Why? You’re not gonna be a doctor?
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You’re not gonna be an architect? I’m like, what? Ai have no family member that went to university. Well, I have uncles that went, but my father and my mother didn’t. They they were nurses, but but but now my profession this profession has become a profession that has been has become very ai, and it’s more than being a chef and a cook.
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It’s the restaurant business, but Right. Ai sure it’s a very difficult business.
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When when do you think that changed and why did it change?
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Well, it’s nothing happens overnight. Listen, I used had this, documentary on the last season of Chef Table on Netflix where I am one of the four chefs that on this season, they’ve done a meh, and they’ve done a documentary of my teams and myself culinary life. You’re gonna see Mini Bar, my top restaurant, two star Michelin Bazaar, everything else.
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But you’re gonna see me telling stories about me cooking with my mom and my dad and sorry. Ai god. And I never had the cigar yet. But my profession is slowly but surely because everybody cooks. Right? I always talk about longer tables, but this goes almost to the beginning.
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A moment that was very important in my life, talking about cooks and chefs and restaurants and food people and feeding, is that the first time I became a dad, My daughter, who is 26 years old now, Carlota, an amazing young human being. In the moment she came out onto the world as a father that I began having tears, that’s another moment you realize that there’s always so much pressure on everybody.
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I feel as a young man, I always had a lot of pressure to to be the man everybody was expecting you to be. And sometimes you felt like nothing ever came with instructions. But you you had to you know, I have to be a boyfriend. Well, okay. Well well What does that entail? What do I do? It’s a vatsal. I can do What is the right then then you get married and okay.
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I’m a husband, and Ai gonna fall short of what being a husband is. Ai need to be obviously a a friend and a and a provider, but my wife was working too. So sana, actually, I was without a job, and she was the one bringing the money in. They fired me, from my same restaurant, like, three time.
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A restaurant I’ve always been part of, but, technically, I was even fired. You got fired three times? Well, two, technically, and the third, almost Ai fired myself.
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What what was going on?
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For this, though. Let me What you got? Because they were I was too young to be a chef of a restaurant, and I’m a creative guy. You know? The guy that needs to run numbers and do food calls and inventory. And I was concentrated in, can we make the best food we can and new dishes?
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And and the restaurant needed more numbers and food cost and labor and and scheduling. Like, what? I’m a cook. I’m not I’m not a chef. I’m a cook.
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I wanna cook. I don’t wanna be running numbers, so that’s why. But, anyway, life comes without instructions, and you always start looking around. It’s like so my daughter born, and he’s like, okay. Where are the instructions?
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I’m, I I’m barely aware of how to become a young boy and and be part of now now now Ai a husband. Now I’m a father. I’m still learning about everything, and nothing comes with instructions. But one thing I realized was, the lessons of life. That moment that I had these amazing tears of joy, of happiness, of, wow. I’m I’m a father.
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I I I was part or at least I did my little tiny part. I don’t know if I did 1% and my wife did 99 for obvious reasons. They carry it for nine months, and they they take the burden of actually make it. They actually make it, but we do our Yeah. Our little thing. Right?
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Our our little thing that we put in there is permatozoite. But just for the record We contribute the ingredients. Go correct. We do all the cooking. Correct.
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But that young girl comes to the world. And the moment, I realized the power of food is when my wife gets, the baby and brings brings her to her first time she’s feeding her. And I realized there the amazing power of food because the first gift we receive in the form of a tangible that sends a message of Ai gonna take care of you.
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I’m gonna love you. It’s through mother’s milk. And if our mother cannot treat us, that’s mother. It’ll be our dad with baby formula, will be the nurse, will be the grandma. But that moment that we are brought in in somebody’s arms and we are fat, that moment seals seals our connection with food forever.
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That’s the moment that we are all connected Yes. To food in ways we cannot escape. For obvious reasons, we need food to be ai. But that only tells a little part of the entire deep, profound story of the connection the humans we have with food. And that’s why then being a cook, yes, is one of the most fascinating professions because in a way, we are only the ones that we keep the legacy of the mothers feeding humanity on that first mother’s milk that sets the ground rules of why food is so important in our lives, in who we are forever.
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Well, it’s also an art form, and it’s a temporary art. It’s an art that you consume. You eat it. And I think because it’s not it’s not ai music that you can listen to over and over again, or comedy, or a movie, or literature, we don’t think of it as an art form. I didn’t realize it was an art form until I started watching Anthony Bourdain shah. No Reservations, the original one on the Travel Channel.
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And then ram being, like, really a big fan of that show, I realized, like, oh, this is art. And because of his narration, his narration was so brilliant, because he wrote all the all the descriptions of the cultures that he would visit and the people and the descriptions of the you could tell it was all in his language, it was in his is his mind and he wrote it all out.
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He didn’t have writers and script writers. He wrote all the narratives. And I think then I realized through his passion for food and his passion for cooking and for and his his deep appreciation for other chefs, It wasn’t about him. It was and he was always very self deprecating to his own abilities to cook.
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It was about other people and how amazing these people were and how he loved to go and visit them. And ai, it was someone’s mother that would be just cooking Sunday sauce, you know, some Italian mother, and he would have someone translate what she was saying. He would ask questions. It’s ai, then I ai, like, oh, this is an art form.
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And I never considered it was an art form until I was a grown man, and I was a little embarrassed by that. I it was like, oh, that’s a blind spot. Like, food is not just delicious. It’s a form of art. There’s something to it that’s, it’s just an unheralded art form because everybody needs it, and it’s not always art. Like, Twinkies are art, but it’s food. It’s calories.
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You need to consume it to to stay alive. You need food. So you don’t think of it, but when it’s done with passion and when it’s done in this creative way, it’s ai, you talk about it forever. It’s, it’s amazing. It’s, it’s ai going to see an incredible concert, or it’s ai going to see a movie that just rocks your world. It’s the same thing.
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It’s just someone expressing themselves through a medium, and that medium is food. And it’s the medium, the one medium that we all consume. Everyone consumes that medium. When I talk to people and they say, I don’t really care about food. It’s just fuel for me. I’m like, well, you’re an idiot.
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Like, you’re missing out on life. You’re missing out on a giant chunk of life, which is delicious food and delicious food that you enjoy with others, which is also a part of food. Enjoying delicious food by yourself is not nearly as fun as enjoying delicious food with other people.
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There’s something communal about it, which is goes back to our tribal ancestors sitting around the campfire enjoying something that we cooked.
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And our mother feeding us for
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the first time. Yes.
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I miss Tony.
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Yeah. Me too. Meh too.
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I miss Tony. You know, I did, you know, we did we did few shows together. He’ll always invite meh. Eric Ripert, he did many shows with him. And we spent a lot of time together, especially January. We’ll gather in the Cayman Islands. We did that for fifteen years for one week every January.
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Oh, really? Why the Cayman Islands?
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Because Eric had has a hotel there, a restaurant. Ah. Eric repaired the ai, talented chef, Le Bernardin, restaurant of restaurants. And and Eric, Tony, and myself, we call ourselves the three amigos. And we’ll spend time together, smoking a cigar, doing nothing, walking on the beach, scuba diving.
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So when when when I need to when when Tony, decided he used to move to his next station ai and and left us, I was in Guatemala. I was actually with Walls and Trakitchen. It was a big volcano there, Ai Fuego, and, it broke my heart. I remember speaking to Eric that day. And just what happened was that less than a month before, I was with him in North Ai, Asturias, the where I where I was born, shooting, what did became his last show.
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And and and for me, obviously, that was a hard a hard moment because it’s not like I lost a friend in a very selfish way, an Eric. And I know I know so many hundreds of thousands, millions around the world lost a person that in so many ways, he he’s probably listening to us, Joe.
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And in in sai many ways, when I listen to you, you know, you you sound like him. But Tony speaks like Tony, and you always speak like yo. But in a way, you are ai, ai, like, soulmates. And and Saloni always had those words of wisdom. He always will be the voice of the voiceless.
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He he didn’t mind to speak his mind. He didn’t he was a very straightforward shooter. He didn’t try to to piss anybody off. Only he wanted to be Tony.
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Right.
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Respectful, but Tony. And and because that, forever, we will miss Tony. Even I think he he never left. He’s here. He’s in so many in so many parts of all of ai. Yeah. Because his way of telling stories, he waits to listen to the people telling those stories. And him becoming the medium of making sure that we will learn that the the world was a beautiful place. Yeah. I remember the story he did, about Iran.
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He went to Iran. Like, sometimes you think about Ai, and if you read the news, looks like the people of Iran, they are and you see the shah, they’re like, man, Iranian people are great people. Yeah. Blame the leader, maybe, or the leaders, but the Iranian people, they’re good people.
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Of course.
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They’re like you are like me. That’s a good point. Different.
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Yeah. That’s meh
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good point. Have a different language. Yeah. Maybe and, obviously, we know a lot of Iranians who are here in America, and they’re wonderful people. So he show what he did. The legacy of Tony is that he show us that the world is not such a scary place, that it’s okay to open yourself to the world.
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What we were talking before about people that they get into their cocoon and they don’t want to Yeah. Move beyond their comfort zone. Tony shah us that the people that are not like us, they’re actually okay. They’re just different people that they are gonna span our horizons and our thoughts about life.
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That was Tony, and he did it through food, and he did it through his amazing amazing poetry.
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Yeah. No. That’s perfectly said. Yeah. It took a long time for me to be able to watch a show after he was gone.
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I love the painting you have in the entrance. Yeah. What I’m I I didn’t cry because lately I’ve been trying to hold my tears, not because I feel a meh should not cry. I’m a guy that cries easily, and I love it. But when I I saw it, first thing, I come out of the I opened the door, and there is this beautiful big portrait of Tony. And I’m like, okay.
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I have a feeling I’m home.
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Yeah. I’ve got a couple. I’ve got another one I’ll show you that I have that’s in another part of the studio. I got a lot of art in the studio, luckily.
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You do?
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It’s nice. I love art. I just love being around people’s expressions, you know, different things that people have created. I just love things that people make. I really that’s if there’s anything that I couldn’t live without in this world, I I need to be around people’s creations. It’s very important to me.
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I like seeing it. I like it to be all over the walls. So Ai could be everywhere. I wanna touch it. I wanna see it. You know?
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And when, I found out he was gone because, my friend Maynard, he’s the lead singer of Tool. And, you know, Tony had really gotten into jiu jitsu. And that’s how, one of the ways I was friends with them before that, but that’s one of the ways that Tony and I got closer is that, you know, he knew I was a black belt, and I was been I’ve been doing jiu jitsu for decades.
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And so he would ask me questions. And when we were doing the show together, it was really funny. When I did, one episodes of No Reservation, we went pheasant hunting in Montana. And, part of the day, he’s asking me how to finish Darce Choke. So he and I are on the ground on the dirt, and I’m saying now when you’re in this I’m ai, I’m showing him how to strangle people in the dirt.
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So we’re like wearing hunting clothes and boots and everything like that. And I’m like, no. No. No. This way and then trap the head here and turn it like this. So we’re ai, well, I’m like, now do it to meh. Do it to me.
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And like, we’re working with each other, like, on the ground. And he’s ai fascinated by this martial art. And I thought it was wonderful. Because, like, he’s this sensitive, creative, poetic guy, but he found the beauty in jujitsu, which is ai to the outside person who’s the uninformed, it looks like this brutal caveman activity, but it’s not.
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It’s a very complicated, intelligent, creative martial art, and he was obsessed with it. And he didn’t start doing it till he was 58 years old, which is kind of crazy. But he really got obsessed with it, entered into tournaments, age appropriate tournaments, and did really well. And sai it was training every day, sometimes twice a day.
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Like, we got just taking private lessons and, like, really got obsessed
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with it. I can tell you that because when we were shooting in Asturias and few other places, Cayman Islands, One of the things he always did is finding out where was the local jiu jitsu Yeah. Hanging place. Uh-huh. And it’s very funny. In Oviedo was a place, and he will go there. Yeah.
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And for one, two hours, he will be used ai against local guys. So it was fascinating to see how even on weeks that he was supposed to be concentrated on shooting, He always found time Yeah. To do what he love.
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So Maynard is all Maynard got his black belt recently, and Maynard was also, like, very into jiu jitsu. And they were he was joking around, like, maybe one day, he and Tony would have a celebrity jiu jitsu match. So I’m in Chicago. I’m doing shows in Chicago, and I get a text message from Maynard and says, so much for that celebrity jiu jitsu match. And I’m like, what does that mean?
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And ai, like, I don’t know what that means.
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That was the moment.
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And then I Google. Mhmm. And I I have this feeling, and then I just the news, and then it all hits me. I’m like, oh, fuck. There’s moments when people take their own life where the worst feeling is, I feel like if I was there, I could have stopped him from doing that.
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That that’s the ai.
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You know, the feeling like he just was alone. You know, ai you just need to know you’re not alone and you’re gonna be okay. Like, whatever you think is gonna be the worst thing that’s happening here, it’s not. You’re loved. You’re loved. You’re an amazing person. There’s so much more to see.
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You don’t wanna leave these people behind. You don’t wanna hurt them. You don’t wanna hurt these people in your life. You don’t wanna hurt your family. You don’t wanna hurt your daughter. You don’t wanna hurt your wife. Don’t do it. I know it feels impossible, but it’s because you’re alone.
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And it’s you know, sometimes you know, I I don’t know. Maybe I wouldn’t have been able to do anything. Maybe I’m wrong. But there’s that haunting feeling that you Ai could’ve talked to him. Ai gotta because, man, that feeling fucking sucks.
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That feeling of ai I just have had a if I could’ve if I was there with him, I think we could’ve had some laughs. We could’ve joked around about some stuff, and we would’ve been okay. That’s you know?
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I I I I
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bet you feel the same way. Ai?
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And and I think that’s something I didn’t close yet. We’ll ram sana know talk on behalf of Eric. But Eric was so strong. And Eric obviously was shooting with him in France when that happened, and and actually is the one that found him in the in his room. And and I understand that feeling because I’m still going through it. And it’s okay to feel responsible because that means you care for those people.
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But the message here is that we all need to be checking always on each other. Yeah. That’s what friends are for. Obviously, for the celebration of your team winning the NBA or or or or or having a beer or or the birthday or a party or or celebrating life or or playing darts or just having beers with with no plan.
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What are you doing today? Yeah. I’m having a beer. I’m joining you. Great. That’s great. The celebrations, that’s what we’re here for.
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But but the true the true moments of friendship, obviously, are those moments that even even you show up when you are not invited because you feel you feel something maybe is off, and it’s okay to knock on the door. It’s okay to pick up the phone. It’s okay to maybe get on a plane.
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It’s okay to and, obviously, I guess, like you now, Joe, that I’m learning about and and and gives me gives me joy to see that here another person that really love Tony. And Eric and myself and so many others around the beautiful life of Tony that we wish we were there. Right? Yeah.
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So Ai think if anything does the I don’t think it’s a lesson. It’s only let’s always be there for each other. Yeah. Let’s always be there for each other. And let’s all be even if especially when we disagree about anything. Yeah. Just let’s be kinder to each other even on the disagreements. Yeah.
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Of the people you know and of the people you don’t know. Right. Because we are all more connected than we think. And what we say and what and our opinions, they may be touching and affecting somebody else. Somebody else we know, somebody we don’t know.
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So that’s okay to celebrate the good times and agree all the time when we can, but it’d be moments that you don’t ram moments of sadness or moments of hate or just be be kinder even in those moments of disagreements. Yeah. If anything, that’s the lesson I always take with me because you don’t know what anybody may be going through. Right.
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You don’t know what anybody may be going through.
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Another lesson that I’ve taken with me is that any conflict that I’ve ever had with a person, even if I was correct, even if I was right in being angry, even if I was right in the the mean things that I said, I never felt good afterwards. But every good interaction that I’ve ever had, where maybe me and a person disagreed, but we came out of it smiling and hugging, and we we found common ground, then I feel great.
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Always always feel great. You know, I just there’s gonna be people that you run into a lot in life that are stubborn and they don’t want to avoid conflict. They want that conflict. They feed off of it. They’re stupid. Whatever. Not they’re not even stupid. They’re on a bad path.
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53:45
They’re on a bad they have a bad programming. They have bad whatever the patterns of behavior that are ingrained in their consciousness, they’re unforgiving and they’re, you know, they they have this this way of living their life and it’s not a good way. And, you know, you can’t fix everybody. So you just gotta when you encounter those people, you have to be able to filter people out of your life.
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54:09
You have to know, like, some people you can’t interact with. But the people that you can, just try to try to not have conflict. I don’t want any conflict. I’m not interested in it. I’m I’m good at it. I know how to do conflict. Ai do literally do it professionally.
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54:24
Sure. You can break the you can break the neck of anybody.
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54:27
But but you mean even verbal conflict. I’m not interested in it. I’m not interested in physical conflict, and I’m not interested in verbal conflict. That’s just not it’s it’s not what I like out of life. What I like out of life is fun and joy, and and and being around interesting people and challenges, and doing difficult things, and creative things, and learning.
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54:46
Learning about myself, learning about other people, learning about life. Conflict is just a distraction from your own personal demons for the most part. It’s a lot of what it is. When you’re angry at other people, a lot of times you’re really distracting yourself from the things you don’t like about yourself.
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55:03
It’s a flaw, and, I try to filter it out as much as possible in my life. Not interested in it.
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55:11
Yeah. I’m trying to meh. I’m trying to become the best version of myself on that. Yeah. It’s the second most important word we can always use in in our vocabulary. The second most important Yeah. Is thank you. But the most important one is sorry. Yeah.
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55:27
Because thank you is people have a hard time saying thank you. Me, I try to use the word thank you often, as much as I can. But because, God knows Ai an imperfect meh. The the word sorry is the one I also try to use as quick as I can.
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55:44
Yeah. And mean it.
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55:45
And mean it.
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55:46
Yeah. That’s the thing. Don’t say sorry because you Correct. You want someone to not be mad at you. Sai sorry because you’re actually sorry.
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55:52
And you are doing your best to Yeah. To change Yeah. Your your your effort or your behavior or the way you you raise your voice or you
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56:02
Mhmm. Yeah.
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56:03
But thank you is important. Second most important. Most important is sorry. Yeah. Because it takes also it takes humility to say sorry. A lot of people will never say sorry.
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56:13
That’s terrible. It’s terrible to walk through life with no humility. It’s just so stupid. Just such a silly way to go through life with no humility. Like, why?
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56:24
Life is such a beautiful place, especially when you are in obviously, in cities, you can see how beautiful life is even. But when you’re in a tour and you’re seeing the sunrise or you’re seeing the sunset or you’re seeing the moon, and you see how little you are Yeah. How insignificant you arya. But at the same time, how God gave us this power to be part of this amazing universe we are part of. Mhmm.
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56:52
And then you you are thankful there because you are like, oh my god. I am part of something so beautiful, and we all occupy a space on that universe. Mhmm. And the space we occupy should be to to don’t make it worse. If anything, leave it as it is.
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57:12
And if you can, do whatever you can use to make a little bit better. Right. And that’s our destiny in this universe.
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57:19
Yes.
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57:19
You only need to don’t fuck it up. Just don’t fuck it up. And if you can do a little bit more, even better. Meh, when I am in those places, like, I go to the South Of Spain, and my wife is from there. Cadiz is where where I did my military service in the Spanish navy. And it’s one moment not too far away from Gibraltar, the little possession that England has there in the South Of Spain, that maybe one day England gives it back to to Speak.
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57:48
There is a place that almost you can touch Africa. You feel like you can, with your finger, touch Africa in the Strait Of Gibraltar. And it’s just ai even a movie cannot recreate the amazing place you are with birds and the oceans, the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean, and two continents that want to love each other, but they are separate, but that body of water.
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58:19
They are I look and I began circling my head in 360 degrees, and I’m like, oh ai god. What a beautiful planet we live in. Yeah. Let’s not fuck it up.
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58:31
What a beautiful universe. You know, I, one time when my oldest daughter was very young, we went to Hawaii. We went to the Big Island and just on a lark, just for fun, we went to the, top of the observatory, at, is it Mauna Kea? The Keck Observatory, whatever mountain it is. And we were driving up there, and they said, well, if it’s a cloudy night, it’s terrible. You can’t see anything.
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59:03
But maybe you’ll get lucky, and there’ll be some stars. You’ll be able to see the stars. So we’re ai, and as we’re driving, I was telling my wife, look at all the clouds. This sucks. We’re gonna get up there, and then we drive even further.
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59:16
It’s a long drive. It’s like a ninety minute drive through the mountains. As we got further, we drove through the clouds, and the crowds were below us because it’s very arya. And the stars were magnificent. It was insane.
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59:28
You saw the whole Milky Way, and the ai sky was filled with stars. There’s no light pollution because the big island has diffused ai. And, they have specific lighting just because the observatory that doesn’t give light pollution so you could see all the stars from up there.
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59:45
And I remember that day ai is yesterday. Every day, I think every time I see the stars, I’m like, we’re so fucked by cities because we can’t see what this really looks like. That’s what it looks like. That’s what it looked like at night. And I remember thinking, why don’t we see that everyday? Like the universe is so fascinating.
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01:00:04
Put put you in your place.
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Oh, my God. Like you are in a convertible spaceship and you’re hurling through the galaxy sana the only thing that’s protecting you from everything else is a layer of sai. A layer of gas that surrounds this beautiful planet.
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01:00:21
Of course, it’s life in one of those shah systems.
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01:00:24
Oh, 100%.
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01:00:25
It’s it’s more than in one.
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01:00:27
Oh, yeah. We’re I think we’re just little babies and they’re not ready to let us know yet. Well That’s what I think.
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01:00:33
I’m sure they’re trying.
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01:00:35
Some of them, I think
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01:00:36
They’re trying to contact others like we are.
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01:00:38
I think some of them have been here. I had a guy on yesterday. His name is Hal Putoff. He’s a physicist that’s been working with the government with this stuff forever. He said they have 10 retrieved crafts that are of nonhuman intelligence. 10 that The United States is in possession of. And he said they during the Bush administration, during George Bush’s administration, they were contemplating disclosure to the American people.
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01:01:01
And they wanted to get all these physicists and scientists and psychologists to make a list of things that would be negatively impacted by disclosure and things that would be positively impact by disclosure and give them a numerical value, like a zero to 10 value. And when they calculated it all up at the end of the day, the cons outweighed the pros, and they decided not to disclose.
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01:01:27
So during the Bush administration, during George Bush’s administration, during 09/11, during that time that time period, they were contemplating this is 02/2004. They were contemplating having disclosure and releasing to people the fact that we are in possession of nonhuman intelligent crafts.
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01:01:47
They have recovered biological entities, meaning beings from another planet that are preserved that we have, and that nonhuman crafts are visiting this planet ram might not even be visiting. They might actually be here. They might have bases in the ocean. They might have bases somewhere in the mountains, but that this is a real thing.
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So he started working on this in 02/2004, and he’s he’s, you know, a % convinced that
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01:02:16
we’re not alone. There’s been movies about it. Yeah. This is, how do you call it? Counters? Some 51. Area 51. Area 51. Listen. Nothing will give me more joy. As a young boy, I I always thought, man, could I be the guy that finds EP? It wouldn’t be cool. Yeah. And especially it seems it’s a good alien speak that is an alien space of goodness. Hopefully. Imagine Yeah.
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01:02:49
Imagine is a science fiction movie, and planets like us is part of yeah. Let’s say they’re here. Yo. And let’s say that all the, you know, junk food and extra calories and the obesity pandemic is actually something like this alien civilization has orchestrated. And so as we become fatter, they’re gonna be able to regulate more protein to take back to their planets. Okay.
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01:03:21
That can be a great ai big movie, and then we’ll eat seeds, and they’ll take it with us, and they’ll put us in the planet. And at our stomachs, we’ll have potatoes in their fields. I don’t know. But I only would say that if that already happened and the government the US government, number one, seems everything only happens in America.
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01:03:41
All the great movies of the world, everything happens in America. All the science fiction movies. And me ai a young boy, like, that’s why I wanted to come to America because, man, the aliens never visit Spain. It’s always America. Everything cool always happens in America. And that’s, I guess, why I wanted to come.
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01:04:01
But I will say that if already something like that happened and we’ve not invaded again means that that they’re good aliens. Let’s hope.
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Mhmm.
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But I will say that at this moment, our government will be already sharing with all of us something that will forever change the present and the future of humanity.
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01:04:25
You think they would already share it? Why not? No. I’ll tell you why not because he explained it to me yesterday. There’s a bunch of problems. One of one of the problems is they’ve been studying this stuff for decades. Studying this stuff, back engineering crafts, all that stuff takes money.
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01:04:39
And the way they get that money is by lying. They lie to congress, so they misappropriate funds. So they lie about where money is going, which puts people in jail. So in order for them to tell the truth, they have to open themselves up to serious criminal prosecution. Like, you you’re you’re in deep trouble. You’ve misappropriated funds.
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01:04:59
You’ve lied to Congress. And there’s probably some fraud involved in that too. As soon as you get
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a bunch of people that
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can lie to Congress, who knows where all the money went, you know. Money’s moving around. And then there’s also the fact that the way you work on these crafts, you have to use defense contractors because they’re the ones who make jets. They’re the ones who make spaceships. Like, you can’t do it on your own. You have to bring in these ai. So you have to bring in private industry.
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01:05:25
So when you bring in private industry, now you have the United States government, the intelligence agencies embedded in private industry, and then their competitors suffer. So if the competitors go under, then the competitors could sai, hey. You gave, you know, whatever, Raytheon.
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01:05:39
You gave Raytheon this special generator that you’ve back engineered from some flying saucer. Why didn’t you give it to General Electric? Why didn’t you give it to this company or that company? It’s ai, it’s all Lockheed Martin. It’s all there’s too many problems in terms of legal ramifications, prosecutions, people are gonna lose their careers, they’re gonna be brought in front of Congress, they’re gonna have to testify.
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01:06:06
The the only way that you’re gonna really have disclosure at this point is amnesty. The government is gonna have to say, listen, let’s let the past be the past. No one’s gonna get in trouble. But for the greater good of humanity, we need to know what the fuck is going on. So tell us what’s going on.
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01:06:22
And that’s a that’s a tough question.
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01:06:24
So you mentioned about aliens living in the ocean that’s Atlantis.
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01:06:28
Well, it’s not Atlantis. But But Ai is
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01:06:31
Atlantis, which is a city under the water, which is No.
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01:06:34
Atlantis was a city above.
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01:06:36
Correct. But technically, somewhere submerged, and still they’re looking for Atlantis.
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01:06:42
Well, they think they found Atlantis.
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01:06:43
The pyramids the pyramids and some of the Mhmm. Drawings and paintings that, I mean, we can go to Peru with the Incas, and we can go with the Ai Sure. Guatemala. And it’s a lot of people that always have been trying to make connections Mhmm. Of things they found that they say already we made contact in previous civilizations on planet Earth.
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01:07:07
But I have a hard time believing that this has already happened, and I speak the opinion of, obviously, who looks seems he’s an expert and he spent a lot of ai, and I see that you believe in it. The ai of me that is the boy that will want to believe that there are other planets with people and we are not alone Mhmm.
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01:07:31
I will be full of joy. Yes. So Hopefully. Ai a planet is. There are good people and that happens.
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01:07:38
Yeah.
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01:07:38
That you and I and everybody else around the world, maybe that’s the moment that the world becomes one. And all of a sudden, we are all fighting. You remember what was the movie, Independence Sai? Yes. If they are the bad guys, you and I Yeah. You will be doing jiu jitsu against an alien speak, and me, I will be with two pens, I don’t know, crushing their heads.
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01:08:02
But let’s hope that they ram more ai IT. Yeah. Ai like, alien.
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01:08:09
Well, I would imagine if you look at the trajectory of human life on this planet, the world is safer than it’s ever been. People are smarter than they’ve ever been. People are more aware. We have more access to information. And generally generally, people are kinder and less tolerant of evil than they have ever been before.
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01:08:31
There’s still problems with just the tribal nature of human beings where, you know, we’re territorial apes. Sai mean, that’s what we are. But I would imagine that if they are so sophisticated that they’re capable of traversing solar systems, traversing galaxies and reaching us, they beyond they’re beyond that stuff.
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01:08:54
If they weren’t and they have reached us, they could have destroyed us a thousand times over by now. We could destroy ourselves a thousand times over. We, with our inability to go to other galaxies, we could destroy ourselves. So for sure, they could destroy us. I don’t think that’s what they’re interested in.
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01:09:14
I think we are an emerging civilization in the galactic sense. And I think that if you look at primitive man and you look at primitive primates and you look at current human beings and our technological achievements and our all of our medical achievements and our ability to feed enormous groups of people and our concern about the environment and all the things that make us so special as human beings, I would imagine that that would be even more advanced with these species.
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01:09:44
I think that’s the only way they’re visiting us. Ai don’t Obviously.
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01:09:46
Yeah. I don’t think you get to us. Yeah. You don’t get to
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01:09:49
us if you’re still tribal territorial apes.
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01:09:52
Technically, they say that a ai will be almost even if we are able to achieve a speed light Mhmm. That that that our human body itself will not be able Right. Whatever that means. But now we see that we can be sending our conscience in other ways without our Physical body. Physical body. This could be happening one day.
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01:10:16
Me, what I know, the thing I’m interested on is, I wish I will be alive when we put the first restaurant in the moon or the first restaurant in Mars, and I will be there just cooking for the first people arriving. Ai done my little part. Many chefs, many chefs, meh, you know, they’ve done thanks to NASA, they’re working.
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01:10:40
They put their mark on food that has been sent to the speak station. Yeah. I did it, in 2016, ’20 ’17. My dream was to send paella, the Spanish rice dish, to the space station.
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01:10:55
You sent it to the space station?
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01:10:56
I I I was able to partner with a company called Axiom, a x I o m, which is one of the companies helping provide services to Vatsal, to bring astronauts, and then they will do it also with civilians to the space station. And was a Spanish, astronaut, the Spanish American astronaut, called Lope Valegria.
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01:11:17
And he is like, Jose, in action, we will be interested if you want to do a dish because we are gonna be feeding all the astronauts in one of our first trips. And if you are up to it and sai, yeah. What do I have to sign? And we send Iberico ham. We send paella valenciana.
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01:11:35
We send a pork dish with pesto, which is like a ratatouille, a Spanish ratatouille. And I did it.
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01:11:45
That’s amazing.
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01:11:46
But you know the thing I did, which is the coolest. What? Because all of that brings new things and new opportunities. So it’s this guy called Jim Sears, an amazing engineer, a guy that is crazy for speak ai you, like me, like so many. And like everything, there is a competition, and the competition is about right now, astronauts receive the food already cooked, come in those pouches, semi purees, liquids that they pour into their mouth and blah.
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01:12:20
And and these certain things are okay. The rice we did, I thought, was very good even. We had a little issue. We tried to make the paella too by the book, and the paella at the end was little bit too dry as a traditional paella is. Meaning, the grains of rice are fairly loose and separated one from each other, which on earth is a sign of a good paella.
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01:12:44
But in the space, if you open the pouch, all of a sudden, you start having all those little rice floating in the station, and there is the moment you want chopsticks. Oh my god. I I was on the edge of collapsing the space station by Zendesk Ai, but what I’ve been working on with this guy I mentioned, Jim Sears, is that he came up with a kitchen that will be the kitchen, and he won a competition.
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01:13:15
The kitchen that astronauts could use one day, hopefully, soon as it is it. Save it and and and and that, Jim, amazing ai, Jim Sears. And it’s two prototypes of this machine. He gave us the prototypes. My team has been working on them. Wow. A chorizo Wow. Macaroni and cheese. Space?
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01:13:36
Macaroni that chorizo cheese. Look at that’s a cornbread. That’s a cornbread. And I want you to take a look because this is how food we look in a in a space. If one day we have a kitchen in in the surface of the moon, or in Mars, that’s a brownie.
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01:13:53
And and and if, yeah, and if you are, Elon Musk, if you’re listening to this conversation, a space food will look like this kind of circle, this circumference because that machine, what it does is centrifuge, like g forces can go up to g fourteenth. That’s a lot of yeast. And the reason is that we will send ingredients, but the ingredients will float.
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01:14:20
If you don’t achieve the centrifuge that will move the ingredients to the sides of this kind of kitchen where you don’t cook in the bottom, but you cook on the ai, you will not be able to cook.
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01:14:32
Because you need gravity cook.
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01:14:33
You need cons you need that gravity, that g forces to bring the food to the edges, then you can do mac and cheese, brownies, and this will be great because especially if one day we go to Mars, astronauts are gonna have to be doing something to keep their minds for Yeah. And one of the things will be cooking. Why not?
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01:14:53
Why
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not? Better quality cooking. This amazing guy, mister Sears, is the guy that just came up with the kitchen, and I’m I feel like I’m Forrest Gump in a in a chef heart. But then you get the opportunities to get something ai a kitchen that one day could be the kitchen that will fit humans, in a space.
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01:15:15
And that would be so great for morale too because instead of eating goop out of a tube, you’re eating delicious food sai you can enjoy a real meal in space. What a genius idea to cook in a centrifuge to spin it around so that it has gravity.
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01:15:31
It’s only early option if you have, like, my rice floating in this floating everywhere. And and and they’re like, excuse me. Hey. Hey. Chicken meh. Come back here. Hello? Like, hello? Oh, the fish is going away. Red sana, come back to me, baby. Yeah. You got it. But that’s cool. That sai, yeah, listen to me.
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01:15:54
I love I love science fiction. I comics about science fiction. Oh ai god. I I have a big collection of comics, of manga, and it has to do with food even more, but about the space even more. And and, yeah, one day, I hope yeah. We’ll meet we’ll meet aliens, and they’ll be good people.
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01:16:14
And and we’ll be great people, and hopefully, we will not, you know, get we’ll we will not charge them any tariffs sai we can do good commerce. And maybe they will bring a different species of animals to increase our diet.
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01:16:31
Well, I would imagine that.
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01:16:32
Let’s hope it’s that. Okay? Let’s hope it’s that, and it’s not, as I said, that they are waiting for planet Earth to be ten, twenty billion people, all of us obese. That’s why the best way people of America, the best way to fight against an alien invasion of planet Earth is that we all stay fit.
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01:16:56
We don’t get overweight, and we are lean, a lot of muscle, not a lot of fat. Because that day, that alien civilization will learn that we are not we are not a harvest worth having because we are too lean and they cannot feed their own planets.
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01:17:14
Well, I don’t think that’s a good strategy because I think some of the most delicious food is wild game and wild game is very lean, you know.
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01:17:24
Okay.
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01:17:25
I think it’s a terrible strategy. I think what we really You’re right. Our our real hope is that they’ve moved beyond that. I think with our real hope is that they’ve moved beyond commerce. That’s the real hope. I mean, everybody’s all look, I’m not saying communism is good because it’s terrible.
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01:17:40
Communism doesn’t work with human beings because we’re not prepared for communism. But I do think Agree. That if we evolve past these primate instincts that we have, and we genuinely develop some sort of a sense of real intimacy and community with everybody on earth, we would share resources.
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01:18:01
Totally.
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01:18:02
Yes. And our real fascination would be in contributing to whether it’s contributing to knowledge, contributing to art, contributing to whatever it is. Instead of constant competition, our competition would be with ourselves to make better things, and to do better, and to achieve better.
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01:18:19
But that’s gonna have to come with we’re gonna have to evolve past the way we interact with each other, and I think we’re slowly doing that. I think human beings are slowly but surely doing that. And when you have, like, well minded people who wanna embrace Marxism and socialism, I think that’s that’s really the heart of it.
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01:18:40
It’s ai, well, it’s a good idea at a bad time. We’re not prepared for that as as human beings. But I think if we get to a point where we could all read each other’s minds, which I think is on the horizon, meh get to a point where information is instantaneous. We get to a point where how do you have money?
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01:19:00
If money is ones and zeros, and then there’s no such thing as encryption anymore because you have quantum computing, and so you can’t just keep money. You can’t just get we’re we’re gonna have to develop a way as we advance as a society, as a speak, to share resources, to share resources in an a a genuinely equitable way.
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01:19:22
It’s beyond our comprehension now as territorial apes, but I think that’s the future of the human speak. As that one day, we reach this peak where we realize that our true competition is within ourselves, within our own minds, and to do the best that we can for the overall greater good of the speak, and then hopefully, the greater good of
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01:19:41
the universe itself. Building longer tables? Building longer tables. And where what is down the buffer. What is good for you is good for me? Yes. Yes. Take a look take a look at India and Pakistan right now. Right. I know. Right now
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01:19:53
Scary.
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01:19:53
It’s many issues that religion, territory, but one of them is water. Right. Resources. Resources. Yes. And
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01:20:05
Which is really everybody’s. It’s the world’s resources.
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01:20:08
And what do we do to make sure that, as you said, what is good for me ai be good for you and But we don’t we have to do ai.
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01:20:16
Stop making the same mistakes over and over and over again, and those same mistakes evolve conflict. Brings it back to conflict and war and, you know, and people leading groups of people that don’t understand what’s going on and and forcing them to do things that are horrific.
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01:20:33
Do you think if more woman will be in power
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01:20:36
No.
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01:20:36
Will be less less war?
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01:20:38
No. No. That’s not gonna do it. I mean, it’s a great idea, but you’re a woman boss. They they turn into tyrants too. It’s human beings. It’s human beings. We should not have power over large groups of human beings because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It almost always does.
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01:20:55
The that’s why there’s so many checks and balances in our system of government, you know, is to try to try to mitigate the impact of human psychology when they achieve great power over everyone else, because people just become tyrants. And I think that is the hurdle. That’s the hurdle to become becoming a part of the galactic civilization. The hurdle is we have to get past that.
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01:21:19
We have to evolve as a species. And my suspicion is that somehow technology plays a part in that, and the interconnectivity that we’re achieving through technology is going to advance our ability to understand each other, and it’s going to advance our ability to communicate.
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01:21:37
And it’s going to force us to come up with some sort of a new way to, share resources.
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01:21:46
Obviously, the biggest resource for me is food and is water.
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01:21:49
Well, for everyone.
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01:21:50
But then we have everything else.
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01:21:52
But that that’s the the one thing you absolutely need for survival. And you don’t we you need fossil fuels because of the way society is engineered. That’s why you need fossil fuels, because we’ve gone in that way. You know, this is the real suspicion about ancient civilizations is that they figured out a way, a different way to achieve great results.
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That they did, like, the the civil like ancient Egypt. To this day, we have no idea what how they did that. How did they how did they make those pyramids? How did they do it?
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What did they do? Why how
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did they do it? At the very least, four thousand five hundred years ago, many people suspect it’s far older than that. I’m one of them. I think I think civilization has been around a long, long time, and I think there’s been catastrophes, and there’s a lot of physical evidence that point to those catastrophes.
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But the the idea is that at one point in ai, so our technology has evolved in a very specific path. Our technology has been the industrial revolution, the invention of the internal combustion engine, electronics, and all these things have led us to this incredible level of sophistication that we enjoy now that’s so much different than people that live just two hundred, three hundred years ago.
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My suspicion is that the people of Egypt, the people of Turkey, there’s a lot of other places in the world, they achieved very similar levels of sophistication with completely different methods that are lost that are lost in history. And we know for a fact that there was an immense catastrophe. This is the catastrophe that’s written in the Ai. This is the epic of Gilgamesh.
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This is Noah’s Ark. This is this is so many cultures share these stories of a great civilization that was wiped out by a great catastrophe. And science now believes that that is the Younger Dryas period. The Younger Dryas impact theory is this theory that we were hit by comets somewhere around eleven thousand eight hundred years ago, and it essentially ai civilization out, brought us back to baseline again.
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We were tribal hunter gatherer people again, and then we reinvented civilization six thousand years, seven thousand years later. That’s what I think. Food was wiped out? Nope. Food was here. Food’s always been here. We’ve always need food.
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But
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If if you get hit by comets and there and there’s been ai recent events on volcanoes
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Sure.
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Covering very much the high parts of our atmosphere Oh, yeah. And that then we had very bad arya. Mhmm. Because there was not enough sun to produce enough food. Yeah. And those were very dark moments for, humanity. One of my big worries is precisely that. Yes. That right now we live in a moment that, yes, we have wars, we have conflicts, but still Ai believe we live in a great moment in humanity that is full of opportunities.
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Yeah. If we have the right leaders that want to bring the best angels within all of us Mhmm. And not used to rely on cheap politics of bringing the worst demons.
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Right.
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Not making each other fight each other, but making each other respect and love each other even when we disagree. Yes. And that’s why for meh, food is the ultimate uniter. Yes. Because especially in emergencies, I’ve seen that in the worst moments of humanity, the best of humanity shows up.
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Yeah.
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You’re right. It’s true.
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Because as we mentioned at the beginning, the lovely mother feeding moment that unites you, food is the best way to tell somebody Ai love you. I’m here with you. I’m gonna respect you, and I’m not gonna let you alone.
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Yeah.
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And this is why ram me going to emergencies through my lifetime, in the last fifteen years especially, is the moment I’ve been seeing this moment of light, of hope, of saying is in these worst moments of humanity is so much love where there is no religion, no color, no political party. It’s only people helping people.
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That tells me that food is this thing that people in a table can have a conversation about more meaningful things and then gets deeper than that. Yeah. Gets deeper on food that you said before, I think, is the biggest power anybody can have.
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What’s the one thing we all need?
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But the power of feeding others. And I think we’re taking this power for granted. Governments are being cocky. I think we feel like it’s enough food to feed planet Earth. And you mentioned before about this, how do you say it in English, cataclysm Cataclysmic. Yeah. Moments? Yeah.
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Let’s say for a second because I’ve been there, that the perfect storm happens. You know? You know how much food we have more or less on planet Earth to feed the eight plus billion people we are? Ninety days? Ninety days?
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Let’s say it’s hundred it’s no more. Right. It’s no more. Hundred twenty, let’s say. It’ll be different people.
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01:26:49
I would like to know the number because I think that’s very important for national security. But I’ve seen in the first year in the same year, I’ve seen back to back category five hurricanes Here in Central America, big food producers, parts of, The United States with big food production, The Caribbean.
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01:27:11
I’ve seen typhoons in Asia at the same ai, hitting very big food production areas. At the same time, droughts in South Meh, the same time that we had hurricanes with a lot of water in Central America, droughts in Asia, wiping out rice production. Yeah. At the same time, pest. Mhmm. Three, four countries in Africa with a couple of insects wiping out the entire harvest of the year. Wars like Ukraine.
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01:27:43
Ukraine, the grain they export feeds close to 500,000,000 people a year, and few other things I’m Ai forgetting. Right. Put everything together in the shaker, And if it happens, we go from we have enough food to feed humanity, but the problem is that we are not good enough in in making sure that the voiceless and the very poor get their share of food to one day, the newspapers of the world will say, today, we don’t have enough food to feed humanity.
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01:28:19
This could be happening. Yeah. Obviously, I wanna think about the happy moments about my restaurants and all the restaurants of the world full. The supermarket’s full and everybody eating and every mother and father being able to bring a plate of food to their children in America and in every country overseas.
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When everybody has food on the table, the place is a most a more peaceful place and a happy place and a hopeful place. But I’m worried that day that meh be happening, and that’s not science fiction.
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No. It’s not science fiction.
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The one day we wake up, remember America, the richest country in the history of humanity, with the most talent in the history of of humanity. American talent and talent that came from overseas with inventions, with, wow, looking at the stars and dreaming about going to the moon and Arya who knows what else.
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You know, I’m I’m I’m just worried we are taking food for granted in the way that not too long ago, America ram a baby formula for babies. The United States Of America had no baby formula for every American family to provide baby formula to their children. And that seems, it’s a little thing, but it was an issue. It became an issue. And, we could read it on the press, but this was real.
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01:29:47
Families with money, no problem. We could get it. Somebody will bring it from overseas. But poor families, they were having a hard time finding that baby formula. That only tells me that we take food for granted, and that’s why I’ve been always asking that we need to have a national food security ai near the ear of the president of The United States, near the president of every country to make sure that food is not an afterthought, but food is something we give it more importance.
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Well, I think we have a real hard time imagining things going badly when things aren’t going badly. When things aren’t going badly, like right now, we concentrate on getting more. I want more stuff. I want more this. I want more that. I wanna get better.
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01:30:29
I wanna make more money. I wanna be more famous. I wanna be more popular. Whatever it is. But all it takes is one super volcano.
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01:30:36
All these things that you’re saying, the yeah. These are all possible. War, famine, disease, pestilence, all that stuff’s possible. But you know what else? One supervolcano, Yellowstone.
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01:30:45
Yellowstone blows every six to eight hundred thousand years, and it’s a continent killer. If it goes, the whole the whole world’s fucked. We have nuclear winter for decades. Like, who knows how long it lasts? With the dust in the sky, there’s gonna be no crops. And people are just gonna starve to death.
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01:31:00
There’s no if, ands, or buts about it. If it blows, most of us here are dead. Most of us. And most of us like, there’s a there was a supervolcano, the Toba Volcano, in, I believe it was seventy thousand years ago. They think brought humanity down to a few thousand people, and that can happen again. The the but it’s very difficult for us to think that way.
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It’s very difficult for us to imagine how things could be bad.
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01:31:28
That that mean people that if you have a good bottle of wine that is very expensive and you are waiting for it to that moment in your life, remember what Joe Rogan said here, drink it tonight. Drink it tonight. Don’t keep it for tomorrow. Yeah. Drink it today. Yeah. I mean Yeah. Makes sense.
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01:31:50
Right. But I think you’re right too that we should probably prepare for the worst and also on figure out ways to mitigate it. Put some resources and to figure out ways to mitigate the negative impacts of things like this. Like, maybe have some massive food storage somewhere.
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If we have enough money to have massive weapon storage, why don’t we have enough money to have massive storage ai for years while we figure things out. You know?
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% agree. Obviously, we have, vatsal, like, almost the
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That’s great. But if ai no ai.
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Correct. But but we’ve done things. Like, we have Right. A library of seeds.
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Yeah. Okay. No huge. We need a library of nonperishable foods.
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01:32:36
Totally. Somewhere on the ground. Again, as I said, we have only food for so many
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01:32:41
Right.
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01:32:42
Weeks produced around the world. Japan right now has, like, in the same way in The United States, obviously, we have, the reserves of fuel. Right? We have gas reserves in case something happens. Mhmm. And then the governments and the presidents use that reserve. In Japan, they have rice reserves.
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01:33:05
And those rice reserves, they are not barely ever touched. They’re there because in case something happens, the government wants to have the possibility to. Japan has been releasing those rice reserves for different reasons because it’s been, the harvest of ai, they’ve not been as good as they were supposed to.
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01:33:29
It’s a shortage of rice. The prices are going up. So it’s a whole bunch of things. So they release those rice reserves, and they’re able to control the price. But here is more than controlling the price, because inflation and other issues.
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01:33:44
This is because the rice has not been flowing through the market in the ways the Japanese society is used to. Right. So it’s only food for thought. China has 7% of the farm, land, but has 15% of the world population. We need to make sure that 7% of the farmland, but they have to feed 15% of the world population.
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When you see that China is very interested in buying land in Africa in America, that they help ports in many countries in Africa. Well, if you are the leader of China and you wanna feed your people Yeah. What will you do to make sure that you don’t only produce sai home, but if you cannot produce enough at home. Right.
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Even every country should do more to be a better food producer Yeah. On the land we have. America has done well on that front. But China is smart. They’re investing overseas. Why? Because they need to make sure that they keep feeding their population.
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01:34:51
It’s a smart thing to do, especially in a in a regime that we could argue is non democratic regime and is authoritarian. Right. Even every time I’ve been to China, my god, I can never wait to go back. I think it’s a beautiful country to visit. It’s a country that, as a tourist, I don’t know. It’s it’s amazing place to visit these years.
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01:35:12
I cannot wait to go back because I think it’s a very cool place. Good food, ancient civilization, great culture, great learningship. But going back to food, food is is one guy called Bryden Savarin, eighteen twenty sai. A guy that died that year or the year after. I I own a first edition of this book. I bought it when I was very young.
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I I I had to work, like ai, three three months used to save the money to buy that book. I collect all
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What’s the book called?
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01:35:45
The the Physiology of Taste, He’s the guy that said, tell me what you eat, and I will tell you who you are. And this is a
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book from ’18 what? ’26. When was the printing press created? It’s a I don’t get it. Handwritten book?
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No. No. That’s It’s a printing press? No. No. That’s printing press. Yeah.
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This is it here?
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Briat Siburan. And Sana first edition. Wow. Physiology Yeah. That’s one of the later this is a much later, version in English.
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In Dental Gastronomy. What what, language is yours in?
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01:36:23
French. Wow. And I have the first one printed in Spanish that was not printed in Speak, but in Mexico City.
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01:36:29
Oh, wow.
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And he said, tell me what you eat, and I’ll tell you who you are, but he said something more important. He sai, Ai French is not very good, but more or less. The destiny of the nations will depend on how they feed themselves. Wow.
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Right. And America’s destiny is fat people. Fat people eating processed food. Well, I think if
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we are not careful, it’s the destiny of the world. Right.
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If we’re not careful. But take a
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look at now. Come on. You go to the gas station. I remember when I was young, I went to the gas station. The gas station had a little restaurant that was not even a restaurant. It was like a diner. Mhmm. But but for me, it was like a high end restaurant. Once every two months or three months, my father would take us there. The restaurant in the gas station. And I thought it was great.
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Ai, are we going to a restaurant? This is the days that, you know, we always cook home. We never went to restaurants. But I’m only saying this because when we went to the gas station, we to go to the restaurant, happens was next to the gas station. But when my father went in to pay for the gas, he paid for the gas at that set. Was nothing else there.
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This was the place to pay for the sai. And it happens the restaurant was there. That was the only food. Go now to the gas station. Oh my god.
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You live with 25,000 saloni. So you are feeding your car, and in the process, you are the Cheerios and the Meh and M’s and the and the sneakers and the oh my god. It’s like the gas station now is. I’m telling you. Those gas stations are owned by those aliens that are to make sure we are really, really overweight.
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So one day, they harvest us, and they take us to their planet. I do believe the gas stations of the world are they belong to the alien species is trying to make us all sai. But put that. Sai, yeah, why are we so overweight? Because I used to walk to go to school. Walk. Walk for an hour. One hour to go, one hour to come back.
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My father work in the morning. My father work my mom work at night. We had one car, and they had that. But ram me, I could do it in twenty minutes. It took me an hour because my life was walking through cherry trees and the forest and the farms and but but I will go walking.
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01:39:07
It’s not like my fire it’s not like I’m going in Uber. I will be walking Right. And come back walking. And and and and and ai had changed. I’m going to the train, walking, and then from the train to the subway, I had to take a train on the subway.
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And then from the subway, I had to walk. It’s other times. Now life is very easy. You have calories everywhere saloni everywhere. You wake up in the morning and and you open your eyes and you arya already calories.
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And that’s one of the problems, and that’s why we are all fighting against those calories that are not making us any healthier.
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01:39:45
Yeah. It’s not calories. It’s the type of calories. It’s processed food that you could keep on the shelf forever. Because food’s not supposed to be able to sit on the shelf like that forever, and the kind of food that can is not healthy for you. That’s why it doesn’t rot. It doesn’t rot because it’s not alive.
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But but eating too much of anything, I could argue with you that it’s a big conversation, and I’m not gonna come here. You’re actually I’m gonna disagree with myself because I can agree with myself. Because we can have the same conversation and and use the conversation from two different points of view.
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Right.
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It’s it’s been obviously the very easy attack to the fast food industry, to the junk food industry, to call it whatever
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Mhmm.
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On the pandemic and the obesity, to the soda industry. And, again, I’m not gonna be the one here now becoming the Robin Hood defending them. But at the same time, they they they are not the only ones part of the problem either. Look at me. I’m overweight. I promise you by the end of this year, 2025, I’m gonna get close to two hundred ten pounds, and I’m never gonna move from there. I’ve been fighting.
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I used to be two eighty. During the I I was able to bring it down already to two fifteen. I went up. Right now, Ai in two forty ai, but I’m gonna bring it down to two meh, and I’m never never going back because I own it to myself, to my wife, to my children. I own it because in a sai, ai chef, we are also an example, and I’m not going back. I’m not overweight because young food.
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I’m not overweight because fast food. I’m not overweight because sodas. I’m overweight because I ai too much. Because the food I eat is very good food, you can get fat on carrots and gazpacho too.
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Sure.
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So we live this conundrum. Right? We have people that are poor right now that used not to happen, and if you were poor, you were skinny, and maybe you were hungry. And now we arya in this situation that you have served people that are poor and it’s difficult to explain. And sai some seems that they’re overweight because though the food they are able to buy is very cheap because it’s all these junk food you sai, and that’s part of the problem.
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Right.
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And they are not only overweight, but unhealthy because they’re bad calorie, bad quality food because No nutrients. They cannot afford anything else. And sometimes it’s not only about affording. It’s because they don’t have access to anything. Right. Right. Yeah. And there goes again about one of the big conversations.
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Food is a superpower, and it’s a superpower the governments need to use for the betterment of the lives of their citizens and goes beyond putting food on the plate, goes beyond making sure that when I tell every American when I speak in every state, red or blue, urban areas or or rural areas, every time I say every American children deserves to be fed and no American family should be poor and hungry ever again, everybody claps.
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01:43:02
This is a truth that brings everybody together. Yes. And And you could argue why we have people are poor or hungry, and then we talk, okay, and what is the role of government making sure that we don’t have poor or hungry? If we have a government, I would say in part is to make sure that we take care of the less privileged and the poor and the hungry and the ones that lose their jobs and the veterans that come back home and they are I think we need to have government for vatsal.
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01:43:29
And government should do a better job in making sure that every children in America is fed and making sure that it’s not throwing money at the problem, but invested in solutions. Yeah. Let me give you example. Okay. I was 23. A charity called DC Central Kitchen founded by a guy called Robert Egger, a barman, crazy guy.
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You you need to invite him to this show if I can recommend you people that will will give you amazing conversation about these issues. And he saw that food waste was wrong, but everybody was he was talking about food waste before everybody anybody was talking about food waste.
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01:44:08
On president Bush inauguration day, he got a a ram, and he went to every hotel that they had these huge quantities of food on the parties after the inauguration that nobody touched. He got them in the truck, brought them to a central kitchen, repackaged everything, and began feeding the homeless in DC.
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01:44:29
Thirty Plus Years later, that organization is doing fifteen, twenty thousand meals a day, but it’s not about feeding. It’s organization that began bringing homeless into their kitchen, ex convicts into their kitchen. People couldn’t find a job because they were in jail. Those convicts, those homeless, all of the sudden, they were receiving dignity, the dignity that society for some reason was not giving them.
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01:44:58
American born citizens that were not receiving the same opportunity to belong as this young immigrant, Jorge Andres, that came from overseas, and very often Ai got many doors open. People that for whatever reason in life fall behind. The kitchen gave them a place to belong. And in the process, they began learning how to cook.
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01:45:22
The organization, the Sicenter Kitchen, was teaching them how to cook. In the process, they were making the meals with that leftover unused food that they will produce, and then the organization will feed the local homeless. In the process, CEOs and volunteers from around America will come to join forces volunteering next to those ex convicts and those homeless, that they were not convicts or homeless anymore.
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And in the process, food was becoming a place of building longer tables. So the $1 to feed one homeless was also the $1 to give hope, was the $1 to give training, was the $1 to rescue food, was the $1 that those men and women when they graduated, restaurants like me will hire them.
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01:46:15
So $1 for human resources. All of a sudden was no $1 thrown at the problem. We feed the poor, and forever we’ll have to spend a dollar to feed the poor. But no. Was $1 to build up the entire economy of a city in the process of taking care of their most vulnerable.
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01:46:33
Robert Eggert told me that philanthropy seems it’s always about the redemption of the giver, when actually that’s the wrong approach. Philanthropy always must be about the liberation of the receiver. When you tell me what the role of our government should be, our government should be here to make sure that they invest in their citizens. Mhmm.
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And food is a good place for our government to be investing in our Yeah. In our citizens.
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And it’s also it’s looking at the long game too because the rising tide lifts all boats. The more people contribute to society, the stronger the economy is. Even though it would cost money, it would bring in more money. It would you would have less crime. You would have less poverty. You’d have less everything.
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You’d have less need. You would have less have nots and more haves. Everything would be better.
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01:47:27
It’s not. Yeah. So big conversation right now. Yeah. It’s snaps, which is what people call sai food stamps. It’s snaps is a temporary. It can be a day, a month, a year, a year for families that fall behind that the government give you that food dollar that dollar assistance for
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food. Mhmm.
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And it’s been very controversial. And it’s politics around it. That’s the way Democrats won. That’s the way Republicans won. But everybody forgets really about the right talk, which is what is the right policy? How do we if somebody complains, oh, food stamps has not fulfill its promise.
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01:48:14
It’s like, okay. But let’s not fight about cutting it down. Let’s fight about how to make it better. And let’s make sure how those dollars in the process of feeding American families in blue and red states speak, that helps those families that fall behind to be able to put food in the table arya able to do it with the dignity they deserve.
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01:48:35
What happened? That ai I said before, the government doesn’t see food as a whole, and usually everything is handled through the Department of Agriculture, which it’s okay, but it’s not the right right way. What happens that when a family in a poor suburban area in any city in America receives the food stamps money, in the place they live is so poor that they don’t even have a market because their neighborhood is so poor and nobody wants to open a market.
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01:49:11
So even that those poor families, they have to go to another neighborhood to spend those dollars even when they have no transportation sometimes because they don’t own a car or they don’t have public transportation. So they don’t have easy access even to that food. So imagine if all of a sudden the government, yes, they help the people through the food stamps, but sai in the process, you run a house in development is able to help building, a market that is run by the city, is run by the state where the local farmers can come.
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01:49:46
In a way, you are subsidizing that business because no other private business wants to do it, but somebody has to be taking care of that shore shortfall. And all of a sudden, we build the Aramarket. All of a sudden, that family has the dignity to be able to shop in their neighborhood where that shop actually ai local people that all of a sudden they are employee in the neighborhood, and that neighborhood stops being poor no longer.
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01:50:11
And all of a sudden, that $1 as this example I gave you of this essential kitchen, it’s not only the dollar that the government throws money at the problem, I’m gonna feed you today, but that dollar of the government, if the government is smart and works as a whole, creates local employment in the same poor neighborhood, gives dignity to that neighborhood because all of a sudden it’s a little bodega, a little arya.
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01:50:36
All of a sudden vatsal place comes back to life.
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01:50:40
That’s a wonderful idea. Is there an example of a government in this world that’s doing that?
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01:50:48
It’s it’s working places
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In places. In the world that, you know Local places.
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01:50:54
It’s important that in America, we have something we call the food deserts. Yeah. In Spain, the country no more, we have our own share of problems too. It’s never it’s never the perfect city or the perfect state of the perfect country because if one place is perfect, please call us right now.
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01:51:13
Call us to joe rogan dot com and tell us the place and joe rogan and I will move there tomorrow. Right? But Speak, I grew up in public markets. Public markets that were available everywhere. Public markets that were public markets with the smallest stalls that local business owners could have their little chicken place or the little or the local farmer could have a place he could afford and be not only a farmer, but a local businessman by selling his product.
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01:51:44
Right. Here we have farmers’ markets.
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Farmers’ markets, which are great, but it’s very difficult to see them in the forgotten, sometimes voiceless, voiceless places in America.
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Right.
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In a lot of suburban areas, in a lot of rural areas vatsal sometimes they are totally forgotten. Mhmm. And and food could be a great way to make sure that they are not forgotten. Every school in America should have a kitchen with good cooks, that they are well trained, that they are well paid, investing money in infrastructure to build those kitchens. Yeah.
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Buying from the local farmers who run-in those rural schools. In the process, $1 to feed the children, but $1 to invest in infrastructure, $1 to buy food from the local farmers, one dollar to pay for the local cooks that work in that little, rural, community. All of the time in the process of feeding better quality food to our children, food that is fresh and made from scratch and that when you can is local, that $1 to feed the children is also $1 that indirectly through the investment of the federal government invest in the economy of that forgotten poor rural community.
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That’s why those are examples of how food can be making our system better. Yeah. Absolutely. France invests a lot of money in feeding the children. Spain invests money in feeding the children. But America, I know we can do much better, especially because what you mentioned before. We have issues with obesity.
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We have issues with hunger at the same ai, and the government has to play a bigger role in how to be solving solving those issues that to me there are no problems but opportunities.
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Yeah. No. I agree. I think one thing that this administration is doing well, under, Bobby Kennedy is that he’s trying to educate people on what is healthy food and what what are the problems. And one of the one of the ways you start is by eliminating harmful ingredients that are banned in other countries and that we use everywhere in this country.
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And to saloni but surely make people aware of these problems and make people aware of what these foods are doing to the overall metabolic health of these people and why we have these ai. Why we have these crises of obesity and diabetes, ai two diabetes and which is food caused and environmental issues that we put people have because of pesticides and herbicides and to slowly clean that up.
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So it’s a good step in the right direction. I I think one of the things that you do that’s really beautiful is, when there’s ai in the world, you you go there and you cook. You know, I know that you were doing that during the Ukraine war, and I know you did a lot of that during in in Gaza.
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I think that’s very beautiful. That’s an amazing thing that you do. Yeah.
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Because I
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know you don’t have a lot of time. You’re a busy guy.
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No. I have nothing to do. My my sai is dedicated to your Bryden.
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No. I mean, normally, you’re very busy. Well So for you to do that, that’s that’s an amazing thing that you do.
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Well, I I got you there a book that tells a little bit of of what we do.
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Cigars. We need to
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I got you sai cigar. Before we get into this, I wanna mention something about secretary Kennedy.
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Okay.
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And about and about why politics is bad, but policy is good. Because good policy is good politics. Ai don’t agree with everything, secretary Kennedy is doing, vaccines. I mean, my mom was an nurse, my father, my my family doctor. So but I’m not gonna get into that. That’s right.
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Everybody is entitled to their opinions, and, obviously, truth hopefully will always prevail, and the business issues will be made. But I % support what, secretary Kennedy is trying to do. %. Hundred ten %. Secretary Kennedy, I’m one more person, joining your willingness to to make America healthy.
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But then this is a conversation I wanna be having. It’s not like first time we heard before from Republicans saying ai the government has to decide why we eat. And in a way, secretary Kennedy is doing that too. So a % agree that sometimes government has to intervene. Okay?
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And that’s where policy that is bipartisan in these issues is what I believe food can be bringing both parties together. Because I’m gonna say everybody in America needs to be supporting whatever initiative secretary Kennedy has in the next four years to feed America better, to have America fitted, to make sure every children is fed with more fresh fruits and vegetables, with less young food, and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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But I’m only gonna go back then to president Obama, and I’m gonna be talking about Michelle Obama. She creates a movement called Let’s Move, and very much is aligned with a lot of the things secretary Kennedy was doing. Mhmm. And the conversation by then, yo, was ai is the first lady having to tell me if I need to eat spinach or hot dogs? Who is she?
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And the only thing she was trying to do is exactly what secretary is doing now. So what I’m only saying is let’s put politics aside on those issues that is about every single Meh. Yes. And let’s agree once and for all in the things that actually both parties always should be supporting each other.
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I used ways that secretary Kennedy back then will be one voice next to Michelle Obama in trying to do fresh fruits and vegetables in the schools and children and American families. And so the same people that supported Michelle Obama initiatives back in the day, I I want them to be supporting now secretary Kennedy.
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For sure.
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I think also secretary Kennedy needs to promise me that if one day he’s not in power and another party come, another president come with that should be always the sai. That’s a mother who is in power. America should be eating better. America should be healthier. America children should be producing the best ai of food because we are the richest country in the history of mankind.
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01:58:24
America exports more food than any country in the world. America should be feeding every children, every family with the best possible food we have on planet Earth. Therefore, everybody should be joining that movement. But, again, let’s put them politics on the ai, and let’s make sure that we come up with arya policies that will allow Of
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course.
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Not only secretary Kennedy on this administration, but every administration in the in the years to come with bipartisan support in the right way to feed America with the right food that makes us healthier and that makes us stronger and where food is part of the solution.
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I think we all agree. I think the the issue was with Michelle Obama was back in 02/2008, I don’t think people were as aware of the consequences of food choices. I don’t think they ai how many metabolic health issues. I think some people did. But I think because of podcasts and because of documentaries and because of a lot of discussions and articles that have been written on the issues that people have with food and the additives in food and preservatives and the the real problems that people have and not at not exercising.
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I think people just weren’t as aware. I think one of the good things about the Internet is that it’s is exposed people to, a lot more voices of people that are living lives, that are more interesting to follow in terms of their health choices and whether or not they’re, what do you got there?
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Keep going. Keep going.
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Sai don’t want this to be treacherous.
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Well, it’s okay. It’s already done that. Oh, alright. Pulling out bricks. What do you got there? You got food? I just don’t I I don’t think it’s sai it’s certainly I agree with you, Sana. It’s it should be, an issue that has nothing to do with politics. It should just be about the care of people. So It’s just good at solid advice.
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So let’s agree on that, everybody. We we we we need to to agree that what Michelle Obama was trying to do was the right thing.
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For sure.
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I remember she brought over a thousand chefs to the lounge in the White House
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Oh, really?
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In the first weeks of her ministry or months with no agenda, only telling everybody to make America a country where every children can eat and every children in every public school across America can eat better, we need the help of everybody.
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And anybody who’s against that, that’s an anti American thing.
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Correct.
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Yeah. You should be 100% Correct. Ai. All of us.
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All of us.
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What’s in that tube?
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What do you got there? This is some ram, and this is Cream? Yeah. Some creme fraiche.
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Oh, creme fraiche.
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And ai guys put me there some caviar. Great. You brought caviar? I had to. I like to. It’s not I’m on a diet, man. And my guys didn’t put me I told them, I’m coming to your robot. Ai don’t know. Guys, and if you can hear me outside they hear me outside? Yeah. They do. Carlos, are you there? Bring me some ham and bring me a spoon, man.
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Do you need a knife?
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No. Don’t worry. Ai figure out.
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I have a knife.
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We’ll figure out.
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I have a bunch of knives.
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So I know now. We’re talking about feeding the poor and feeding the hungry, and now we’re gonna be having caviar, but that only shows you the complexities of life vatsal. And that’s what it is.
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Here we go. Plates.
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It’s got Over there. Carlo, no. Put it in front of him.
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Thank you.
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Good for you. Enjoy, sir.
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Thank you very much. We got ham here, ladies and gentlemen. Sorry to all the vegans. Yeah. We’re eating creme fresh caviar and ham.
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No. But but just for the record, I mean, ham For the record. Is for vegans. Oh. They only eat eggcores. You know why this ham is so good?
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Why?
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That’s the beauty about food, man. Every dish Shut those doors. He’s coming. Ai, he’s coming back. Every dish every dish has a story. Every ingredient has a tyler. Every ingredient.
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So ham is for vegans. How? I don’t understand what you’re saying.
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Well, I mean, if the pork and the cattle vatsal grass, technically, they’re vegetarian too. So vegetarians should be eating vegetarians.
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I think you’re missing the message. Okay. Their meh is Hold
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on a sai. Ai know this this story sounds very strange, but I think here in your podcast, we heard people with even more more strange stories. I think this one is as good as any story. If the pork eats acorns Mhmm. Therefore, the pork is vegetarian. Right. Therefore, a vegetarian should eat a vegetarian.
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Let me use that logic on you.
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That means No. You’re very smart. I think you’re very smart.
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Is vegan. That means, you can eat them. That’s what you’re saying.
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There we go. No. No. I can’t say that. Well Oh
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02:03:00
my god.
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Do you know Ai help to the script ai and the director of a series on NBC called Hannibal many years ago?
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Was it about, Hannibal Lecter? Yeah.
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When he was young.
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Oh, okay.
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I was I was helping them with the menus, the food, the scripts, the crazy conversations.
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Ai was he a chef?
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No. But he meh, he was a good man.
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Right. Fava beans. Yeah. Yeah.
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And so this was the early years of Hannibal Lecturer before he was caught Got it. When he was the story happens in Baltimore, and he’s this. Mhmm. So amazing, fascinating. And, anyway, I don’t know why I’m telling you this, but that was amazing. That was a lot of meat on that movie.
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Yeah. He ate people too. That’s it Yeah. Ai of goes with my argument. I don’t think vegans are gonna agree with you. That’s all I’m saying.
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Yeah. And and that happens, but I the good thing is Ai have a vegetarian cookbook. Do you? Vegetables unleashed. Okay. I love vegetables.
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Well, vegetarians should really eat eggs. You know? I mean, vegans should eat eggs too. Yeah. Especially if you have your own chickens. It’s like karma free food. Jamie, come get some caviar and creme fraiche, brother.
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We we feed everybody.
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There we go. Get in there, Jamie. Wait. You eat that. Right? There we go.
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I’m sorry if you Some people are
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very squeamish on certain types of foods.
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02:04:21
So where we were? We’re eating food. We arya eating food. What is your favorite food to cook?
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Do you have a favorite food to cook?
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Oh my god. Okay. In the in in this book, it’s not like I’m selling the book.
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Try.
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But it’s okay. We did okay. And change the recipe, those are stories for my daughters. Right?
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Oh my god. This ham is so good.
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You know, I think everybody has to write their stories.
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Mhmm.
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02:04:42
I I have so many stories of my dad and my ram, photos, moments, then now we have questions of what happened, but nobody is there to answer them anymore. So this book was a little bit that, few little stories. I had some time during the summer, and the publisher thought, yeah. Write those stories, and we’ll publish them.
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02:04:59
It’s like, okay. But Sai had to put some recipes. One of the recipes I did during the pandemic. In the pandemic, I was cooking with my daughters. If I was not feeding people around The States, so in India or in Spain, I will be home. And they will be studying when everybody was ai.
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02:05:18
And then late at night, seven, eight, we’ll cook. We’ll put one song. And we’ll all start cooking and dancing at the rhythm of the song, and I will be making a dish with them. One day, I had to make eggs very quickly. Daddy, we only have three minutes. I have a meeting. I have a meeting. I ai this. I got that. Okay.
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02:05:46
Okay. I get the eggs. I have mayo. I mix one egg with one big spoon of mayo, mayonnaise. Mhmm. I whisk.
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I put it in a shallow shallow kind of crystal plate. Little bit of fat. I put oil and butter, I think, a little bit. Mhmm. I put that eggs mix egg mix of mayo and egg. I put it in a microwave, thirty, forty seconds. Oh my god, yo.
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02:06:12
The best omelette in the history of mankind.
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Really? Microwave omelette was the best omelette in the history of mankind.
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02:06:22
Ai mean, listen. I I in Speak, we say Ai don’t have a grandmother anymore. My grandmother is dead. You know when you are the one that you give, you say how good you are yourself? You say you don’t have a grandma. It was so good. Fluffy. Egg on egg. Mhmm. Egg on oil together. Right.
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02:06:41
That emulsion of mayo and egg that has so much air was like putting a lot of air inside the egg itself. Oh my god. Try it. It’s the quickest omelette anybody can be. And then you can top it with caviar. You can top it with mushrooms or smoked salmon or sauteed spinach. Delicious.
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02:07:01
But what is your favorite thing to cook? Do you have a favorite thing to cook, or do you just like cooking everything?
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02:07:06
I I like the big pot. A big pot. I like to cook ai. Like paella.
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Yeah. I love paella.
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02:07:15
Like paella on an open fire.
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Oh. Oh, yeah. Like a big cast iron pot.
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02:07:20
When I was young, my father my father was a cook at heart, but he was a nurse. But when he was not at the hospital, he will be cooking for friends on the weekends. My mom was more Monday through Friday. My father was more the weekend cook. And the paella is something he will invite ten, twenty, 30, 40 people. He had different sizes.
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02:07:43
My father will invite everybody, but he will never keep count of whom. 10 could show up or 30. My mom always was like, but how do we prepare? My dad said, big problems have easy solutions, simple solutions. If more people come, we add more rice to the pan.
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02:08:04
But he always brought extra pans because he never knew the size. He put me in charge of making the fire. He will send me to the forest. I’ll gather the wood. I’ll make the fire. He put the ai on top, three rocks. One day, I got very upset because I wanted to cook.
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I knew how to do the fire. I was tired of doing the fire. I wanted to cook the paella, but the fire require somebody dedicated. My father got upset with me because I was very persistent, sana me away. He cooked without me.
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02:08:38
When he came back when I came back and everybody ate, he told me, my son, everybody wants to to do the cooking. Everybody wants to stir the pot. Nobody seems to be interested in making the fire. Actually, making the fire is the most important thing. Control the ai, and then you can do any cooking you want.
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02:09:03
Ai don’t know if my father words were as deep as now meh years later. I made them to become in my brain, But I think my father was trying to tell me that. That obviously was a great the meh lesson for, John Cook in the making. But I think my father, in a way, that was a great metaphor for life itself.
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Find your fire, control your ai, master it, and then ai friend go and do the cooking.
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02:09:36
When you set up Bazaar Meats in Vegas, what what made you decide to cook over open fire that way with hardwood? The way you, which I really love. Those grill works grills with the Argentine style grills with the wheel. You raise and lower the grill over the natural wood fire.
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02:09:57
Yeah. I I love I I love that. I I’ve seen that since I was a little boy. You know? How good is that ham, James? Prometheus Oh, wow. Pretty damn good. Right?
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02:10:09
You have you eaten at that place with us before? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We ate that. Right? Yeah. How good is that place?
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02:10:14
It’s on the fire.
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Yeah. The ham there is this ham.
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Prometheus, one of the titans, Prometheus gave, in a way, they they they will say that meh was created from clay.
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Mhmm.
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02:10:31
And Prometheus gave also meh the control of fire. Right. That was the gift from Prometheus. So we come from clay, and we control the fire. Nothing for me as a young boy was more fascinating than seeing the very big clay pots on open fires. The paella ai father made with this very big metal metal paella pan, but we will have also our terracotta.
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02:11:04
If you can ai house right now, I have terracotta pots everywhere. I also have the biggest grill wall that any human can have in their private home. Do do we have a photo of that?
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Of your grill wall?
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Oh, oh, do we have a grill wall there somewhere? But me cooking with ai, with vines, orange tree, making the fire in the countryside with the terracotta that you put the water and you put the meats and you put the pork and you put the vegetables and you put the chickpeas and you boil it and you are doing what you do when you are in the forest or in the countryside.
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Ai
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do you like the big pots because you know you’re gonna serve a big party of people with it? So it’s ai the communal aspect of it.
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It’s ai like it’s the closest thing if if the man is the cook.
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02:12:05
I have a grill like that at my house.
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But look at it. It’s one, two, three, four. I have a fifth one. I have another one behind. I have a smoker from Texas behind.
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I got one of those too. Yeah. Yeah. I got a smoker. I’ve got a pellet grill. I’ve got the grill works grill, and I’ve got an infrared grill.
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02:12:23
And and those two at the end, they are from Spain is is they’re amazing. Mhmm. They they are they are also amazing. So I I like I like that. I I like I like the moment. You know when I like to do that? When Ai don’t even have it cover. Yeah. But even when it’s snowing, I love to do that. It’s nothing more amazing than having an open fire with the snow falling down and you cook in there. Yeah.
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02:12:50
It’s just fascinating. It’s I it’s I think
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it’s very primal.
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It’s like being in the cave.
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02:12:56
Yeah. Well, there’s I think there’s something Sai think human beings have been cooking over fire for so long that there’s something incredibly comforting about cooking over ai, very satisfying, rewarding. It’s different than anything else. When you see the actual wood and you make the fire yourself, so you start it it from the very beginning.
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02:13:13
Little tiny pieces of cut wood, you know, the little kindling and you lay the sticks over it and you get that going, then you lay larger and larger pieces of wood over it, then you get a roaring fire and break it down to coals, and and then you start to sizzle the salted meat over the coals and
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You you know, in the beginning, when I came Meh, I didn’t understand smoking. Because, you know, the first smoking I had, smoked foods I had was in New York and probably were not good places, and it took me time until I came into the smoke meats culture of America. Right. Texas. Oh my god. Barbecue. Here was huge for me. Baby. In so many places. Obviously, I came one of the first places I came was Franklin.
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Sai Franklin’s is incredible. Ai listen. All the time, the hours, the precise temperature
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Yeah.
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The the sana of that piece of meat Mhmm. In contact with your tongue. Before it is in your tongue, obviously, you cannot eat barbecue with fork and knife. Fork and knife people, they were created for you to protect your food from others. The fork and knife was not created for you to use it.
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02:14:36
You you you cannot eat barbecue with fork and knife. You cannot. Just but but has many reasons why. You get a fork, and you’re getting no information. You’re seeing the color or the the usiness, maybe the smell in the distance, but but when you start using your fingers, the moment your fingers get in touch Mhmm.
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With that piece of meat already, the meat is be talking to you directly. Like, if it’s an alien form telling you, hey, baby. Here I am. And you know the temperature, and you know the usiness, and you know the fattiness. And as you are grabbing it with your two fingers already, it’s it’s it’s so many things happening in the process of you bringing your two fingers with a piece of barbecue into your mouth.
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Already your mouth is salivating. Already your tongue is activated. Already your stomach is flowing with juices. Already your brain, your eyes, everything is just pure joy. Just the very simple thing of using your two fingers to grab the piece of barbecue.
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02:15:46
That moment itself, even if you don’t eat it, you can make a movie out of that simple humble moment of grabbing the piece of barbecue with your two fingers. Oh. I love to eat with my hands. Clearly. Sushi, I eat with my hands.
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02:16:02
Oh, yeah. You got to. I love ribs. Ribs, you have to eat with your hands. There’s no other way. You’re holding on to a big beef rib. You have you ever seen the beef ribs at Terry Blacks? Terry Blacks have beef ribs that look like they came from a prehistoric animal. Big, massive, juicy beef ribs that take a day to cook, and you just sink your teeth into it. It’s like, oh, it’s so moist and delicious and so huge.
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You can’t even I don’t know how anybody could eat a whole one. Hard to, meh three or four bites in. You’re like, stop. I can’t.
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Just so fatty and juicy. So before, obviously, I came I came the The United States. You know? Baby lamb, baby pig. In Spain, we love babies. The baby lambs Suckling pigs. The sucking pig.
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I was watching a documentary today on, this restaurant in Spain that’s known for suckling pigs, and they they were cooking it all over open flames and,
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you know, the That takes two hours and that being only water, only sai, and the little animal. It’s unbelievable. It’s to die for. Yeah. You know, a a a happy day for meh. I remember coming so I was in the Spanish Navy. First time I come America, I was cooking for the admiral.
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And I’m like, really? I was a young cook already. Talented. I won a little championship here, and they are already working some high end restaurants in Spain. Mandatory military service, but for me, the military service changed my life in so many good ways.
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02:17:48
Service to your nation, service to your country, be part of a group of people with a very clear mission working as one. But, anyway, I go for the admiral. I tell him, really? I’m having the best life. He has two, three daughters. I have my own apartment. I’m only cooking for the family.
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02:18:06
They are treating me like a son. Life was good, but I wanted to go on a boat, not on any boat in the training ship of the Spanish Navy. The training ship for the midshipmen. A sailing ship, a tall shah. The Juan Sebastian Delcano.
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02:18:29
Technically, Magellan was the guy that began the circumnavigation on the world, but he ai. And the guy that finished the circumnavigation was Juan Sebastian Delcano. The boat was called in his name. Beautiful boat. Four mast, white. If you could find a photo, it will be amazing if people could see it. 300.
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02:18:50
Now is woman that go in the old days, 300 men. Now, actually, the princess, future queen of Spain is on this boat right now on the on the train trip. First time I leave, Europe. First time I visit Canary Islands. First time I visit Africa, Ivory Coast, Abidjan. First time I visit Brazil, Rio Llanero. My first Caipirinha, my first papaya.
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02:19:20
First time I visit Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo. First time I arrived to Florida, United States, Pensacola. The city of the five flags. Hello? One of the five flags?
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02:19:33
The Spanish Castilian flag. Hello? Of sure Ai belong here. Yeah. I already was in love with America since I was a little boy.
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02:19:41
The NBA, the westerns, the history of America, the civil war, I was fascinated with America. There is first time I had social craps in my life. Those are the moments that every time you, you I remember when my father brought the first Kiwi home. I was a little boy, and my mom was so upset because he paid, like, 4% of hers of his monthly salary to buy five Kiwis and my wife but my wife my father was like I guess that’s why Sai became so crazy.
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02:20:14
For me, finding a new product is ai the happiest moment of my life. Soft shell crab for me was like, holy cow. Soft shell crabs are amazing. Ai whole crab that you can eat ai like a seal that is soft and oh my god. Those moments I meh, like, was yesterday.
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02:20:31
But one of the most beautiful things is Ai moved to New York in the next segment of the trip, and I remember coming under the Burrows Bridge, Lady Liberty, Ellis Island. I’m an immigrant. Even I’m not an immigrant. I’m just a soldier, a navy a navy ai visiting America. I became an immigrant tyler.
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02:20:58
And there that ai, I’m watching the American flag before we go to shore. And I’m looking at the stars, same stars we were talking before. I’m looking at American flag. I’m looking at the stars, the dark blue color, the white stars. And me, I’m like, holy cow. America is amazing.
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02:21:18
Look at they put in their flag the same blue sky at night where you imagine that you can be free, that everything is possible, that you are welcome, that if you were hard, you can belong. I look like a fool when I realized few weeks later or whatever that the American flag stars actually were the states. Okay? Yeah.
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02:21:47
I had no clue that the stars were the states. To this day, I think my story is much more beautiful. That is Much more beautiful than the States. But, anyway, I wanted to share that story with you because when we dock around Thirtieth Street on Manhattan, 30 Years later, So I finished the military service.
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02:22:16
I came back America. I moved New York, then I came Washington. But thirty years later, I opened Mercado Little, Spain, which was bringing a little a bigger piece of Spain to New York, to Manhattan, Two Hundred meters away from the same place I arrived New York for the first time thirty years before.
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02:22:36
Wow. And when they tell me about the American dream, I wanna share the message that if anything, the American dream is more alive than ever before. Well, that doesn’t mean that we live in a perfect place in a cocoon where everything is perfect. Actually, no. The the American dream is is realizing that actually we need to work hard for the things we sana, for ourselves ai from everybody else around us.
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02:23:06
That the American dream is ai that we are a beautiful place created through centuries by so many different people that contributed so much. That people like me, I’m right now sai proud and so happy and so thankful overall. I’ve been given the opportunity to come to this country to belong as an immigrant, first with an e two visa, then with a green car, and then becoming an American citizen with three beautiful American daughters.
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02:23:37
That much of who ai I am and I live 7090% of my other life in this country. I know where I come from. I love Spain. Everybody knows it. But I also I know where I belong, and everybody knows how much I love this country.
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02:23:54
And now go back into my my my first arrival as a sailor, my my comeback as an immigrant sana the last thirty plus years. I wanna remember that moment with American flag and the and the beautiful night sky full of stars because it’s still the American ram. I sana repeat myself.
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02:24:14
It’s here, but we all need to do better to work towards that dream where we do it sharing longer tables, where we do it with dignity to others, especially to the voiceless, especially to the poor, and that together, we solve the problems that we face. The problems are opportunities for us to work together, and that’s what our politicians need to do more of.
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02:24:43
Well, I think America is oftentimes truly appreciated by people who come here. The people that are here, it’s almost like you’re just too accustomed to it. You you feel entitled. There’s a lot of Americans that have, an entitled perspective about this this country. Whereas, most of my friends that come here from other places Russell Crowe had a brilliant thing that he was saying about Meh.
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02:25:05
The last time he was here, he sai, the rest of the world is counting on us because this is the place of freedom. This is the place of opportunity. This is a place where anybody can come and make something out of themselves. And it’s not The United States owes you. The people here, the the people become entitled and they have this we get too used to the fact that we’re here.
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02:25:27
If you lived in another part of the world, you’d appreciate America. Whenever I travel, I love traveling. I love seeing other parts of the world, but I can’t wait to come home. I love it here. I love it here specifically.
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02:25:39
It’s just it’s a wonderful part of the world.
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02:25:43
Austin is a very cool place.
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02:25:45
Austin is amazing. It’s a perfect ai city. I think I talk about it too much with people moving here
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02:25:51
too much.
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02:25:52
It’s I I try to hedge my enthusiasm a little bit, but I think it’s, cities can get too big. And when when cities get too big, people become a burden rather than your neighbors and your community. People become, you know, you have this, diffusion of responsibility. There’s too many people. It’s not my problem. Too many people that are in the way. Too many people instead of this is my community.
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02:26:16
And Austin is not too big. People are friendly, and they’re ai, and it’s there’s a lot of art here. There’s a lot of music. Now there’s a lot of comedy. There’s a lot of cool people here. A lot of food.
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02:26:27
Sai cool. Good ai too?
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02:26:29
Yeah. Yeah. Lot of there’s a lot here. Many, many great podcasts come out of Austin now. It’s, a lot changed. That was one of the good things about the pandemic. A bad thing happened and a lot of good results came out of it when people realized, like, they don’t wanna be places that have restrictive governments.
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02:26:45
And in California, Ai had a very restrictive government and got a lot worse during the pandemic. But it’s the same thing that we’re talking about before about power and tyranny, absolute power. When you tell people what they can and can’t do, you tyler people they can’t work, tell people they can’t keep restaurants open.
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02:27:02
I mean, there was a restaurant apocalypse in California. Seventy percent of all the restaurants in Los Angeles went under. 70%. That’s crazy. That’s an insane number.
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02:27:13
Well, I don’t know if that number
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02:27:14
I know that number.
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02:27:15
Is a number? Yeah.
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Is it number? Yeah. Official ai? 70%.
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02:27:19
Restaurants are one of the hardest business Mhmm. To keep. Right.
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02:27:23
Which is why it’s a huge it’s
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02:27:25
a huge percentage of restaurants closed in the first year.
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02:27:28
Right. So
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02:27:29
even a bigger ai, I think it’s 25%, something like that, that that on the first year or something like that. And and only very small percentage make it past five years.
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02:27:40
Yeah. It’s ai 50% over three years or something, I ai, was what I read.
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02:27:44
So restaurant business is our top business.
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02:27:46
Very hard. Right? Very hard. Very hard. You wanna give people, economical prices, but you have overhead, you have staff, you have this, you have that.
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02:27:54
Everybody complains that you overcharge, but then Of course. But then we need to take care of the people and Mhmm. And and employees Yeah. Need to make a living. But we forget that many the vast majority of the restaurants in America are owned by small business owners Mhmm.
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02:28:13
Who meh of them are working as hard as they can to make the restaurant Yeah. Successful. And we we forget sometimes that. Right? That the business owner in a way is is the employee too.
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02:28:24
Well, it’s another thing. People feel entitled to good restaurants. They don’t appreciate the people that serve them. You know? They don’t appreciate the people that cook and the pre people that, you know, provide this experience where you can go to a nice place and have a wonderful atmosphere and great service.
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02:28:40
You can really enjoy a meal and enjoy someone’s art, which is really what it is.
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02:28:45
Anthony Bourdain that we meh before, obviously, was a big, spokesperson for all the restaurant Sure. Especially the immigrants. Mhmm. Especially people in farms.
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02:28:59
He loves street farms.
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02:29:00
More than everybody. Yeah. Oh, that’s a street. Anybody you now. Yeah. More than anybody. But these are the complexities we we live. Listen. Sometimes it feels and we saw it during the pandemic, that the people that feed America, the people that feed the world, sometimes it seems, and it’s real very often, that they cannot feed themselves.
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02:29:23
Farmers in California. Right. Farmers in Florida. People work in the the farms speak up okrao ai for you and I to enjoy. And they seem that they cannot feed themselves because how little they make and Yeah. And that’s that’s the conundrum that we need to be changing in the food industry.
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02:29:48
What’s the lack of understanding of the effort that’s involved in feeding us? We’re just accustomed to be able to go to the supermarket, this wealth of abundance. Yeah. You know? It’s almost, it’s, it’s just a lack of perspective, lack of understanding of the effort that’s involved feeding all these people, and a lack of appreciation and real gratitude.
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02:30:12
Gratitude towards these restaurants and these farms and these people that work so hard.
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02:30:19
It takes it takes a village to feed to feed the world. To feed Meh, to feed the world, it takes a village. It’s a lot of people. Mhmm. From the fishmongers listen. In Washington DC, I’ve been very lucky to be surrounded by, you know, Virginia and Maryland.
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02:30:36
Is that where you live most of the time?
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02:30:37
Bethesda. I’m a Marylander with an accent.
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02:30:42
Why did you choose that area?
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02:30:44
I think the area chose me. I mean, it was a great school that my wife wanted to obviously, I moved to Washington DC Ai Ninety Three.
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02:30:51
But you have restaurants all over the place. So how
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02:30:53
many Chicago, Miami. Yeah. You know, we’re doing restaurants, ai, books, trips, TV, the new the new TV show I have on NBC with Martha Stewart, Monday nights at 10:00 after the boys. My work, my humanitarian work, with World Central Kitchen, you know, policy work, which I will not say I I work on policy.
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02:31:23
It’s only, like, when I feel I can become one more voice to push smart policy on behalf of all Americans. I used to try to be a voice that brings politicians of both parties closer together to move forward something, like, I believe makes every single Meh better. And that’s how I try to divide my my tyler, like all of us. Right?
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02:31:48
For me coming here was, like, the highlight because number one, you know, it’s like, shit. Will he invite me if I ask? At the same time, it’s like, looks pretentious that you ask. But, again, for me, just coming here and and get to know to be with you one on one, yeah, I was kind of in ai bucket list of I don’t know.
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02:32:11
Listening to you, I don’t know if it’s your voice, your looks, the easy conversation with no no script. I mean I mean, you keep asking questions, and you’ll have nothing in front of you. And and I don’t know how you keep, how you keep every every single ai. You
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02:32:33
I’ve been doing this forever.
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02:32:35
I know. But you have you you have superhuman brain powers.
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02:32:39
No. Do not. No. I just only have on people that I’m actually interested in talking to.
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02:32:45
That’s the secret. That’s the secret, I see.
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02:32:47
It’s very hard to talk to people you’re not interested in talking to. If that was the case, if I was hired by some network, I would have to have notes. I’d have to ask you about some shit that I don’t give a fuck about. I’d have to talk to you about some nonsense that you’re doing that I don’t care about, and I have to feign interest. Blah. And it wouldn’t be successful.
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02:33:03
The only reason this podcast works is genuine curiosity and of of an interest in the way people view the world. And I think we got that out of you today. Ai, we we all got a very beautiful view into the mind of a a guy who really loves food and really loves people and lives life with passion.
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02:33:24
And anytime people get a chance to hear a person like you talk and and and see the world to your perspective, you know, it’s an inspirational, inspires people. It excites people.
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02:33:40
But that’s all the people out there, Joe. Yeah. I I you know, in the last fifteen years, especially in the last seven, eight after Maria, you know, I’ve been very much in every single hurricane and every single big earthquake, big tornado. Big You go and feed people. Obviously, I’ve been in Ukraine. I was there, what, almost hundred sixty, hundred seventy days.
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02:34:08
In the first year, I was there, like, what, ninety days or something like that of my life. I cross into Ukraine within well, I was in in Poland within twenty four hours, and I was in Ukraine within a week. I arrived Kyiv when still the Russian troops were in the north of the city, Bucha, Irpin.
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02:34:33
I I remember with World Central Kitchen, we were the the first NGO used to arrive to Bucha, it had been feeding people. We never stopped. We we reached half a million meh a day in Ukraine Wow. Very quickly. 500 restaurants.
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02:34:52
That all the money we had from donations ram people in America that they cannot be more given than people in Europe, and we we channel that money through supporting the local restaurants. If they’re available, ai I’m not gonna open my own kitchen. The same dollar that is gonna help feed the refugees or the displaced people, is the same dollar that can help maintain the local economy in Florida.
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02:35:18
Nobody is getting rich. Right. But the restaurant want to help. The people want to help. That’s what people don’t understand in emergencies, that everybody wants to be part of the solution. Shah Worsen Dragichan does is that allows everybody to be part of the solution.
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02:35:34
In Asheville, was no worse at drug each and helping feed even both of the organizations feed the people of of Asheville and the different parts in North Carolina and the couple of other states that were hit by by by by the post effects of of the hurricane. It was the people of Asheville that helped you feed the people of Asheville.
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02:36:00
And we didn’t got a helicopter because we wanted to be cool or another helicopter or another one.
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02:36:07
There was
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02:36:07
no roads. To, it’s because there was no roads. And the only way to arrive to the people was by helicopter. Like, we did in Bamas. We had six helicopters, two seaplanes, one boat with two helipads. Why we did it? Because it was no airports, because it was no control towers in the North.
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02:36:25
It was 16 islands. Everything was destroyed, and we had to feed 80,000 people. The only way to do it was that way. Asheville, North Carolina was exactly the same. The fires in California were exactly the same. How we did it, for example, in California and Los Angeles, We are there trying to make sure the firefighters eat.
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02:36:52
Not like the system doesn’t take care of the firefighters. It’s in place. Somebody, some organization, some catering is on paper getting paid to do it, but that’s a a business. In an emergency, you have to adapt because they’re not gonna let you go to the firefighters sometimes because it’s one guy in the road that is trying to protect you from but we have to go to them because those firefighters probably, they’re gonna be fighting for forty eight hours.
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02:37:29
Non stop. No break. You you can see their eyes how how tired they are and still they keep going. And if they have a break, you have to be near them to make sure that in that moment, they’re able to be fed. Food they need, food they sana.
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02:37:48
And that’s what World Central Kitchen does. But at the same time, the people escaping the ai. And the sana the people arriving to the shelters vatsal sometimes in the middle of the night, you get, you know, 3,000 people ai to shelter because Altadena was destroyed, and you have to be there with them.
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02:38:06
So we got a lot of restaurants, but we got a lot of food trucks too. And the food trucks was great because the same way an ambulance is there on a call to bring somebody very quickly and after a heart attack, and the hospital have an option to save their lives. We use food trucks like an ambulance, or we use food trucks like a fire truck. We have them there. We have them park.
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02:38:29
We have many already feeding firefighters and shelters and people in their neighborhoods. But we have 10 or 20 trucks on white. Why? Because every truck is full of 1,000 or 2,000 mills. That means at any moment, today, tomorrow, at 3AM in the morning, if something happens, we can activate those food trucks within sana within a minute.
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02:38:52
In less than one hour, they can be feeding anywhere anybody anywhere.
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02:38:56
Wow.
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02:38:57
So World Central Kitchen is not really an organization. It’s a very simple ai. An idea of everybody’s welcome. We have the standards. We have the systems. We don’t plan. We adapt. We don’t sit down in a big room where everybody is just emailing. You cannot email a plate of food. Mhmm.
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02:39:20
You have to be with boots on the ground. That’s the only emergency. Meh is when you are next to the people that require your aid. People in those moments need us next to them. And that’s what does. That’s why we are in Ukraine. That’s why we are in Gaza.
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02:39:36
We are in Israel as we speak, feeding people because it’s big fires around Jerusalem. We are in Lebanon. We are in Myanmar. We are in Thailand after the big earthquake. Paul Central Kitchen is used a group, obviously, chefs, but it’s so much more than that. Sometimes we use restaurants.
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02:39:58
Sometimes we use catering. Sometimes we use food trucks. Sometimes we open our own kitchens. Sometimes our our own food trucks. Sometimes our our own bakeries ai the one we have in Ai that unfortunately stopped working yesterday because we ram out of flour.
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02:40:14
The situation in Gaza is really very bad. It’s almost no food left, and people are gonna go hungry. And it’s a very simple solution. Unfortunately, those hostages, they deserve to be released. They should be free. What happened in October 7 is something ai we can never forget.
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02:40:38
That’s why World Central Kitchen was there in Israel on day one with next to the Israeli chefs feeding all the people in the kibbutz. Why? Because that was the right thing to do. And I had people telling me, why are you there in Israel when they are now the ones? Because the people of Israel needed our help. At the same time, we were in Gaza. Why? Because the people of Gaza and Palestine needed our help.
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02:40:59
What is wrong with these two simple ideas? That when people are in need, we all must be next to them. And hopefully, this be an opportunity of bringing peace and bringing longer tables. Food can never be a a weapon of war by anybody ever. Obviously, what Hamas did is terrible and and can never happen again.
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02:41:24
But we have also to make sure that the deeds of the very few don’t end punishing the many who are innocent.
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02:41:37
And that’s what’s going on right now?
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02:41:40
Yeah. It’s a complicated complicated situation. You ai the amazing moments were when I had Israeli friends that also they some of them even lost friends or family members in the October. That because they some of them even had two passports that they sai, I would love to go to help the people of Gaza to feed themselves.
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02:42:04
Ai, there’s no way we’re gonna be bringing you in there. And I had Palestinian woman that said, you know, we we feel for those people. I I wish I was given the permission to go there to show them that that we respond that we don’t hate them. But sometimes what you read is only that this hate, people that hate each other. Maybe those are the few. The vast majority of the people are not hateful.
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02:42:27
Right.
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02:42:28
The vast majority of the people want peace. The vast majority of the people don’t want used to be
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02:42:33
All over world. The world.
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02:42:34
That’s what I see in emergencies, even in the worst moments ai war zones. I remember in Ukraine, this older woman in the North, in Kharkiv and in Chernihiv, a woman all that didn’t speak Ukrainian speak Russian, and and she was like, they are our brothers. Why are they killing us? They’re our brothers. Why our Russian brothers are bombing us?
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02:43:04
When a older person tells you that with that simple sincerity, you know, speaking from the hearts, why are they attacking us? Why Russia is attacking Ukraine? It doesn’t make any sense at all. Ukraine is a beautiful country, beautiful people. They’ve been under attack and necessary, and this war is lasting too long.
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02:43:28
I I I wish that that that peace will be reached in in the right terms for Ukraine and that hopefully also it’ll be a ceasefire in Gaza. The hostages will be released immediately. And hopefully, there can be a certain beginning the rebuild of Gaza and and giving the people of Palestine the the future they deserve in peace and prosperity equally as what the people of Israel deserve, living in peace and prosperity without being afraid of a terrorist attack every other day of their lives.
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02:44:07
What is good for Israel must be good for Palestine too and vice versa. And that’s something, like, I believe everybody agrees on. Yes. What I what I want for you, I want for me. Yes.
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02:44:20
And I’m saying this
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02:44:22
It seems so simple.
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02:44:24
With my my hand in my heart.
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02:44:25
Yes. And
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02:44:28
I do believe that that’s the vast majority of the people, Joe.
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02:44:31
I think you’re right.
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02:44:32
We need to make sure that that is also what our leaders do Yeah. To bring the best angels in all of us, not to bring our worst demons. We need to be asking our leadership, putting aside parties, political parties to bring the best in all of us. Bring us together. Build longer tables.
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02:44:53
Don’t don’t don’t break us apart. Don’t break us apart.
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02:44:59
Here. Here. Let’s wrap it up with that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. You’re a beautiful person. You really are.
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02:45:07
I love you, Yo. Thank you for having me in your house.
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02:45:09
It was a real pleasure.
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02:45:11
And, until next time.
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02:45:13
Until next time. Do it again. I can’t wait to go to your next sai ai,
