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#2297 – Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Podcast Episode Description
Francis Foster is a writer and stand-up comic. Konstantin Kisin is a political commentator and author of “An Immigrant’s Love Letter to the West.” They are the hosts of the podcast and YouTube program “Triggernometry.”
www.francisfoster.co.uk
www.konstantinkisin.com
https://www.youtube.com/@triggerpod
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#2297 – Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion revolves around the importance of reasonable discourse and the challenges posed by divisive narratives, particularly in the context of AI and societal issues. Joe Rogan emphasizes the need for objective perspectives and the value of platforms that facilitate meaningful conversations, such as his own show, which often features guests like Jordan Peterson. The episode highlights the potential for people to become more reasonable and open-minded by engaging with diverse viewpoints.
A recurring theme is the polarization in society, likened to a sports rivalry, where people are divided into factions without considering the merits of different ideas. Rogan advocates for a community-oriented approach, where differing beliefs on topics like welfare, abortion, and war are discussed respectfully. The overarching message is that everyone desires happiness, health, and a fulfilling life, and these common goals should guide discussions.
The episode also touches on the role of technology, with a mention of ExpressVPN as a tool for privacy protection, and the importance of ethical guidelines in navigating the digital age. Additionally, the conversation acknowledges the tribal nature of humans, which can lead to conformity and reluctance to challenge prevailing narratives. The speakers encourage pushing through discomfort to ask challenging questions, suggesting that this can lead to personal and collective growth.
Overall, the episode calls for a shift towards more constructive and empathetic dialogue, urging listeners to prioritize kindness and community over divisiveness.
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#2297 – Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Joe. Always a pleasure.
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Great to
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see you, man.
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Great to see you guys always. What the fuck’s happening? Welcome to America.
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We love being here so much, Joe.
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Your country just keeps getting weirder every time you visit. Every time you visit, I wanna ask you about something new.
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Something is yours, brother. Let’s be honest.
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That’s it. Guilty as charged. This is I I think we’re really close to, like, proof that the simulation is real. Ai think this is this is ai things are so preposterous.
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Do you know, I try and argue against that, and then I see what’s happening in all our countries, and I’m like, you know what? Fine. Probably you’ve got a point now.
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Yeah. You know when I really started we were actually talking about this yesterday. I really started to genuinely consider it, like like one of those where it, like, snuck in through my defenses, my logical defenses. When this girl Heather McDonald blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated, and then she blacks out and cracks her skull. Have you seen that?
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Yes. Legitimately. That was the first time in my life where I was ai, there’s no way. I was like, they’re fucking with us. Yeah.
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They’re just fucking something’s that can’t be so dead on. Like, this is like God is a script ai. Like, how is that a real thing that that’s a video where someone is it’s she didn’t do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend. She didn’t do it when she was talking about idiots in traffic.
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It was when she was talking about the vaccine and how, you know, I even still got my period, so Jesus loves me more. And then, ai, there’s no way. It’s too good. The timing was exquisite. You couldn’t have if you had a movie where that was a scene, you could not have scripted or timed it any better.
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Well, you would tell her and drop. There’s no way. I started legitimately wondering then, and I know that’s a stupid example. I’m very aware of it. Ai, you fucking moron. All the things in the world, there’s plenty of examples. Sai, God, Jesus loves me the most. Sai nice. Look at this.
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Ai mean and the audience is laughing. Probably the best laugh she got all night. Right? Because it’s a big move. It’s a big move.
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You know, if you’re a pratfall person, no one speak it. Like, oh, that’s hilarious. If it goes with the bit, you know?
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And it’s timed perfectly. Absolutely. What’s that quote? God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
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Wow. What a great who who said that?
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I it was either I’ve said it, and then and it’s either Voltaire or Camus. I can’t remember which one.
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Maybe you’ll find out.
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Yeah. But yeah. But that’s the quote. God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
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If if that happened to me Voltaire? Voltaire.
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There you go.
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If that happened to me, my Russian grandmother
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would be just like, God is punishing you. Yeah. And that’s why Russians are scary to fight. They’re harder people. They’re they’re harder people.
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No. You’ll learn to listen.
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Yeah. We have business to discuss.
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Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah.
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It just seems fake. There’s so much that seems fake. You know, it’s ai all the the news, the the just the the people that are politicians, the everyone feels like they’re they’re like, who’s the Fetterman character? This guy is wearing a hoodie and shorts. That’s his that’s the wacky neighbor, you know.
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And then Jasmine Crockett, she’s that loud mouth lady from down the street and they’re like, oh, here comes Jasmine. Shit’s gonna get crazy. You know? And Maxine Waters is like, oh, she’s old. Leave her alone. Leave her alone. It’s like these are fake people.
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Nancy Pelosi, this giant tittied lady who wants all the money who’s been been in politics for a hundred and fifty years. There’s pictures of her with Kennedy.
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I didn’t realize Nancy Pelosi was well endowed.
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Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Really?
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Yeah. You’ve done the research.
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Well, there’s all these photos where people are calling her what’s a gilf? A grandma? Ram the fuck? Yeah. You ever seen her boobs?
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No. I have never seen Nancy Pelosi’s boobs, Joe.
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I really disrespect missus Pelosi. I admire her for speak choices, but Fantastic. Those are those are legit.
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You know, I gotta sai, this is a great start to the ai, and we aren’t even stoned.
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How did you not know? I did not know that you’re a grown man. Look at the size of those fucking sweater hammers.
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That is incredible. That has made me a lot more in favor of Kanye.
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So is shah?
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Hold that. Go to that last picture. Might not have been, but That seems fake, but it might be a, like, from the Clinton administration. See, these deep state vampires
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I really thought you were gonna go somewhere else. When you said deep, I went this is going somewhere.
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I didn’t expect that. These deep state vampires as hot as Nancy Pelosi used to be. Deep state ai, no disrespect, miss Saloni. They they’ve been around in the system forever. Ai, the relationships that those people make and the control that they establish and the Rolodex, and I got shit on Lindsay, and Lindsay’s got shit on this ai.
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And it’s like, Jesus.
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It’s a fucking dirty business, man. Oh, it’s crazy.
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Bro, it’s the dirtiest. It’s the dirtiest business.
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Mhmm.
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It’s the dirtiest business in the world.
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You know what I think now that when I look at politics and you look at wrestling and you I I remember criticizing, like, people who watch soap operas. I remember in just going, oh, they’re so dumb. I remember my ex going to meh. She went, Francis, you like soccer. That’s just soap opera but for men.
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And when you think about it, it kind of is. We just buy into our different soap operas.
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Except soccer’s happening for real, and the the soap opera is just a dumb pretend of a goofy life that’s not real.
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Yeah. But politics is kind of soap opera for, like, adults.
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Yeah. Sure. I think it’s teams for adults for sure. For people that don’t like sports, it becomes ai a giant part of their it’s like a guy with a Cubs hat. Mhmm. You know, I’m fucking Chicago Cubs till I die. Till I die, bro. Chicago Cubs, one day we’re gonna pull it up.
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Like, people in Chicago, they fucking deliver you you’ll fight you in Philadelphia if you don’t like the Eagles. They will fight you. Like, if you go to a Philadelphia Eagles game and you’re from another team, they will beat your fucking ass. And it happens all the time. Yeah.
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And what but that’s that’s crazy. You’re both Americans. Like, this is the dumbest thing of all time. Like, one’s from a different city, so they’re your enemy because they support a different football team. We do it with everything.
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I know you find that shocking, Joe, but in England, in Britain, that is ai run of the mill. What so in in the seventies and eighties, each football team, and to some extent now, they had their own words called a firm, which is these hooligans whose only thing they didn’t really give a shit about the the football, the soccer.
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They would get together with the supporters of the firms of other teams to have fights in the car park outside the stadium. And they would travel all around the country doing that. Yeah. So it’s actually the I there’s one thing I love about American sports, ai, you can go to the game with your kids and not worry about the stuff that people are gonna be screaming and shouting Yeah.
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All that violence. You are a lot more chilled out than we are in Europe about that stuff, believe it or not.
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Oh, I do believe it. I do believe it. But any, like, group like that, like soccer, traveling group, you’re gonna attract some fucking psychos that hop a lot. It’s like when the Grateful Dead go on tour, like, I bet they’re not specifically asking cult members to recruit with acid in the parking lot.
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Let’s be sure it’s gonna happen. Yeah. For sure. If you’re ai a psycho cult leader and you sana pick up some people, you’re gonna go to a place where everyone’s on acid. You’re gonna go to a Phish concert and explain to them, you know, you ai, I know you’re in between apartments right now.
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We have an amazing community, and everyone’s accepted. And next thing you know, you’re in a cult. Yeah. Next thing you know, next thing you know, you’re doing acid with this fucking weirdo, and, you know, he’s in the lotus position, and you’re all pretending that this is normal.
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But you know what’s really interesting about soccer is that that hooligan element, that’s not just in The UK. That’s right the way through Europe and in South America.
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It’s New Zealand too. Right? Don’t they duke it out in New Zealand?
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No. No. No. There’s
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no in
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New Zealand. Meh. Rugby is kinda different because football with the hooligan element. So in Italian soccer, for example, they have what the hooligans are called the ultras. Yeah. And they’re so powerful that if the team is playing badly, then what the captain has to do, he then gets sai in some instances, the ultras have have blockaded the stadium, refused that the players leave, and that the the the captain is then demanded to go and have a meeting with the head ultra.
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Oh my god. It’s the kind of pressure ai you’re playing a world class soccer match. Yeah. So then
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this kid and let’s be fair. He’s a kid in his mid to late twenties probably. Then has to go out and have a meeting with this 40 year old tattooed ai, and then Oh
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my god.
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Explain to him exactly why the team is underperforming.
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Wow.
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That’s basically what professional sports is, especially soccer, is like you’re you’re trying to do your best in front of 50,000 people who are all screaming that you’re a cunt. Yeah. That’s basically it.
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Yeah. In in that sense, fighting is more pure. Because people don’t really get upset at a fighter for losing. You really more ai celebrate the other guy for winning. Mhmm.
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Yeah.
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You know, it’s very rare the fighter gets demolished for losing. Like, they would have to lose in a specific way. Like, they’d have to quit somehow, but there’s none of that in the UFC. It’s like because to get at that level, you can’t have any of that in you. But by the time you get to the big show, like, those guys are tried and proven. They they they’re not there’s no cowards in that group. No. You know?
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So they don’t get that same kind of criticism that athletes have, which is one of the because it’s also it’s ai literally your life’s on the line. Like, it’s it’s a different thing you’re doing than just a sport, which is why the regular kind of journalism doesn’t work in MMA.
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Ai, sports journalism in The United States sai least is ai super insulting. Like, everybody’s he’s a bum. He’s lazy. He doesn’t do the work in the off season, and we’re seeing it it now. He’s a fucking loser. Like, that’s what they ai to do that.
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Same in The UK, man.
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Bro, you do that about fighters and they’ll find you. Alright? They’ll fucking smack you in your face. Like, this is their soul, their bearing in front of the world. And for you, some fat guy chewing Adderall and ai into a MacBook Air, fuck you. Mhmm. Ai guy will smack you your fucking head.
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He’s a terrifying human being ai his best, and you have to describe it that way because that’s it’s a different thing than someone who doesn’t hit free throws. It’s a different thing.
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Did you ever hear the story? I think it was a guy called Kurt I think it was Curtis Woodhouse. It was someone like that. So it may not have been Curtis, but it was someone of that ilk. Wasn’t a heavy well, he was a middleweight champion, but he wasn’t European or world, but he was a British middleweight champion, which is still a huge achievement. Huge.
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Huge achievement. Anyway, so this kid was trolling him. This happened about ten years ago, ten, twelve years ago.
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Oh, man.
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And this kid was trolling him online and saying all this horrendous stuff. And I and the the guy just responded. He went, ai. I’ve had enough now, and I’m coming to find you. And the kid was just ai, yeah. You’re gonna come and find me. And he goes, bro, I know you live in Birmingham. And the kid’s like, yeah. But Birmingham’s a big place. He went, no.
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I know people, and we will get your address. And then so he then started posting photos on his Twitter going, driving to Birmingham to see you. And then he went, oh, and then he took a photo of the sign of his town and went, I’m coming to see you. And then he took a photo at the bottom of his road, and he went, you best come out because we’re gonna be talking.
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And the kid just went, and just ai. And he went, that’s cool, bro. And he just went, knocked on his door and had a conversation with him.
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Jesus.
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And he was just ai, look.
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And it What what was the kid what did he look like?
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He was just like this little fat kid.
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But we’re giving people the power and the tools that they don’t deserve. And I don’t say the the, like, that they don’t deserve it as human beings. I mean, you’re not capable of handling this kind of responsibility to be able to reach out to a middleweight champion and call him a pussy.
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Yeah. Like,
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that’s a crazy thing to do. And if you’re, like, 15 years old and you have this ability, you shouldn’t have a license to do that yet. Mhmm. It’s almost like a driver’s license. Yeah. Maybe you should have an Internet license. No, Billy. You can’t post another nature of your dick, you fucking psycho.
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You know, like, you can’t you can’t just put up permanently things that could ruin your entire life when you’re 15. Maybe there should be that. Maybe it should be ai all kids Internet until they’re 21, everything they post disappears in fifteen seconds, and you can’t take a screenshot of it. You know, like Yeah.
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Let them be kids. Yeah. Let them be kids. Don’t like like, people are getting fired for fucking post they made when they were in high school, where someone digs up some old Facebook post they made joking around when they were in high school.
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Yeah. Well, we interviewed someone. Have you seen Adolescents? This thing that’s doing, it’s supposed to be the most watched thing on Netflix. It’s on course.
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I’ve heard of it, but I I haven’t seen it.
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Yeah. So it’s about, spoiler tyler. So if you don’t sana, just tune out, but it’s basically about a 13 year old kid who, he’s getting bullied by a girl at school. She calls him an incel or whatever, and he goes and stabs her and kills her. And it and it’s crazy. And it’s all about that.
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And and we we had a big we had this guy an incel expert on to talk about it. A guy who was actually in Austin here.
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Wait a minute. He’s an incel expert?
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Yeah. Not practicing. I understand.
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I understand. That’s why he came to see us. Imagine
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I understand. That’s why he came to see us. Imagine that’s your field of choice. Yeah. You you you’re like, you know what?
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I wanna find out what’s going on. He researches insults. He actually works with David Buss. So you’ve had him
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on the show.
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Right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We want we wanted to have him on. Yeah. David Buss, evolution psychologist.
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Wait a minute.
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Yeah. Yeah. You have Adam on. Because I listened to the episode, Joe.
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This is how confusing it is to have 2,500
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episodes.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, wait a minute. What? Yeah. Sai sometimes I I hear about a guy, I’m like, wow. That guy’s interesting. And then I Google him, like, fuck. Who talks to this bitch? Talk to that dude seven years ago. Two years ago. Two years ago. Yeah. Yeah. My ai mush right now.
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Let me see a photo of mister Buzz.
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Yeah. You’ve had you’ve had
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He’s one of the greatest evolution ai in the world, I think. He’s one of the pioneers who
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That guy was fascinating. Right. He’s friends with Jordan. I went to dinner with him and Jordan one night.
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Uh-huh. Yeah.
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Jordan Peterson. And yeah. It’s fascinating. And, you know, that’s it was also ai super problematic because he highlights the differences between male psychology and female psychology. And people sana deny that that’s a thing. And so, like, okay. Well, okay. With respect to trans people, you know, use whatever pronoun you like, change your name, but can we are we allowed to talk about the inherent differences between males and females that we’ve observed?
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Or we’re supposed to ignore Mhmm. Like data and statistics and reality? Like, what do we
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In our fucking eyes, man. That’s absolutely
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this is his field of study his whole life. Imagine your field of study all of a sudden becomes problematic. Right. Like, let’s not look into that.
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Yeah.
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It’s at scale, and it seems like there’s, like, two factions in in what I would call, like, the American left right now. There’s the reasonable people that are, like, hey, hey, hey, we gotta just stop being fucking crazy. Like, the the Bill Mars and a lot of other folks like that.
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They’re like, we gotta stop being crazy and just appeal to, like, rational people. Don’t go all the way over there. Stick where where most people are. Mhmm. And then there’s people that, well, we gotta go further left. Then there’s people, we gotta take over Tesla dealerships. We gotta light cars on fire.
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The left is, like, justifying spraying Nazi swastikas on cars. Like, this is crazy.
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Yeah.
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They’ve gone so far over this. So there’s one side that’s just, like, radicalized in the worst way possible that’s a huge detriment to the Democratic Party because it it makes everyone look like a psycho. If you have a psycho in your groups, like, if you have, like, a white nationalist, you know, Christian meh burning down black churches in your and he sai, I’m a part of the right sai a right wing conservative like, woah.
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That guy poisoned the right. These people are poisoning the left. Totally. All the people that don’t want trans kids competing with their kids in school, and they don’t want gender ideology being taught in class, all those people who are just rational, normal liberals that have voted democrat their whole ai.
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They’re like, what the fuck? What are you doing? Why are you letting guys into the women’s room? This is crazy. A guy with a beard and a dress is in the women’s room. This is bananas. Ai, what are you doing in the name of compassion?
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Like, this is fucking insane. That they have to figure that puzzle out. Mhmm. Because right now, they lost to Ram, and they’re they’re in this scattered thing where they’re trying to shit on everything he does, hide all the good stuff. You didn’t hear a peep about Elon rescuing those people. That should have been on all of the news stories all day long.
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We should have had a ai stream of it. It should have been an a huge national event. We’re finally gonna rescue the astronauts who are trapped in the space station for eight fucking months. And this super genius, this Elon Musk character is the guy who figured out how to go get them.
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His company went and rescued them because we can’t do it anymore. We couldn’t rescue them. We had to rely on his company, and you only hear shit about it. You only hear shit about it. It’s crazy. You hear a few stories.
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They’re having a hard time coming back, but you did why wouldn’t why weren’t they live streaming the whole thing? That’s sai a huge moment. Yeah. You’re recovering these poor people. Like, this is a a giant special interest story that would grab so many ai, and it would have so much ratings because everybody wants to see it.
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Oh ai god. They’re sana to get the astronauts. You’d be sitting on your couch with your family. Are you gonna get them? Is it gonna dock?
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Is it gonna work? Yeah. You know, all that shit.
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But Well, the hope is, man, the reality is the best teacher. Right? So the Democrat brand is so just so destroyed now, so toxic that they’re gonna have to work something out because if not, they’re just gonna keep losing.
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They’re gonna go with Bernie and AOC. And that’s why they’ve been astroturf in all these giant arenas for people living at they claim it. They did an analysis of we’ll find out if this is true because I read this on x, and some sometimes the community knows it doesn’t get there in time.
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But they were saying that they claimed there’s 30,000 people, but they got all the cell phone data, and they found out there’s 24,000 cell phones. So they’ve that’s they fudged a little bit. That sounds normal. But they also said that a huge number of these people had been to 20 plus events and a lot of other different, like, progressive events.
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20:53
And it seems ai, at least in some of them, for sure, they were paying people. So they’re giving people money to get on a bus, go to this place, here’s your sign, go have fun. And so you’re doing something different. Right? You’re pretending that these people are all coming out to see you. Mhmm. But they’re coming out to see you because you’re giving them money and free food.
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Right.
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And, you know, you handed out water bottles, and everybody gets a sign, and everybody seems like they’re kind of a part of a team. And for a lot of losers, a lot of people that don’t have things going well in their life ai, like, what do we you know, I was a loser at many points in my life.
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If somebody called me up and said, hey, man. You wanna make $400 and just go to this Kamala Harris ai? I’m like, yeah. Let’s go. I will a % go.
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I will
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100% go with no political I and then I probably think she’s cool. Ai, yeah, I’m fucking voting for her, dude. He’s Hitler. That guy who believes that Tyler. And I’d be holding up that stupid sign. If he found me when I was 21 Yeah. 100%, I would’ve taken that $400. Yeah. It’s a they were giving out a thousand bucks for people to, protest. I think it was Tesla. I’m not sure about that, but I think it was Tesla.
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Sai they they had, like, the rules of engagement. If someone comes after you, hit them in the body, don’t pick up an object, and, like, unless they pick up an object first. Like like, are you organizing gangs? Like, are you are you guys paying money for people and then literally saying to them, here’s what happens if you engage in ai?
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Like, why is that even on the table? Mhmm. I thought you guys arya peacefully protesting. Like, who’s going to get how many pro Tesla fucking hooligans are out there beating people up for Tesla. Is it fucking zero?
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22:36
I have not seen a bunch of pro Tesla gang members out there for so what are you gonna encounter with this, anti Tesla movement? The police? Like, who’s gonna stop you from doing who’s gonna engage with you? Like, this is you’re kind of talking up in a way that at least puts it on the table that violence might take place. Mhmm. And you’re paying people.
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Yeah. And and they because they destroyed language, now it it sort of logically makes sense, right, if these people are Nazis. If you actually thought they were Nazis. Right.
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Right.
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Like, if you actually thought Nazis had taken over your country, you’d pick up a gun. Right?
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You shouldn’t need a thousand bucks. Free lunch. A thousand bucks and free lunch is crazy.
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You need to smooth things over. Make it easier.
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You need to subsidize your movement. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. You would have a hard I would have a hard time doing the thousand bucks 1. I’d be like, bro, we’re going to jail. Ai be like, I’m not that stupid. I I hold the sign. I’ll go to the rally. But if I was 21, they said, look, a thousand bucks. Sana protest against Tesla? I’d be like, hold on. Will you what happens if we get arrested? Like like, this guy’s rich. Yeah.
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23:42
He’s not gonna let you light his fucking cars on fire, stupid. He’s the richest man on Earth. Like, what are you talking about?
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Yeah. But you you you are someone who’s got a family. You’re well adjusted. Like, if you look at some
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23:53
Even when I was young, I I had ai instincts.
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Yeah. I have. That’s what I’m saying. A lot of these people, when you look at their shah, I’m I don’t sana be unkind, but they don’t look particularly well, a lot of them.
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That’s 100% true. And Ai think we need to have a lot of compassion for young people to get caught up in these movements and do silly things. And they they even vandalism, they they just need to understand that that should never be on the table. Mhmm. No violent acts are ever ai, especially if not someone’s not being violent to you.
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24:27
If you ai to just go smash property and light things on fire, you don’t serve your cause because rational, reasonable people are not going to do that. They’re not going to light Starbucks on fire because black lives matter. That’s crazy. But if you get caught up in this, fuck the corporate thing, meh. Fuck the man.
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24:47
Fuck the banks. Fuck this. And you just sana start lighting things on fire. You’re just serving them because they will develop better and stronger ways to crack down on protests now. And all the people that wanted to protest reasonably, all the people that sana to express themselves and say, we stand together to say that this is wrong.
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Those people are all gonna get hosed Yeah. Because you lit Starbucks on fire, you fucking idiot. It’s Ai, that’s and they’re but they’re young. A lot of these people, they have fucking blue hair. They probably had a shitty childhood. Mhmm.
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They’re running around, like, experiencing freedom for, like, the first time in their life for the last sixteen months. Right? This is their first freedom out of their parents’ house. Mhmm. And they get caught up in shit just like people get caught up in being in cults. You know, people get caught up in all kinds of things.
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25:37
It’s like we just have to have more compassion for people and better mentorship. One of the real problems is that kids go to universities and almost universally, they’re given this ideology that this whole university and almost every university ascribes to. And it’s it’s ai universal. It’s it’s it’s uniform. It it’s like there’s less less liberal ones, but they’re almost all liberal. Mhmm. So, meh, almost all higher learning.
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There’s only a few conservative universities. It’s just a weird time for thinking and for discourse and for deciding what team you’re on. It’s ai everyone’s scared and scrambling, you know, do we go red or blue? Mhmm. And it’s just that the whole country’s in this, like, weird state of disarray.
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And it’s very ai. And you see it now as well,
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you know, now that the right is in political power. A lot of the people who kind of
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made their bones challenging the Ai lot of the people who kinda made their bones challenging the excesses of the left, they’re afraid to say anything about the right as well. Even though there’s things to sai, like, I don’t know if you followed the signal group thing.
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26:37
Yeah. I did. I don’t know enough about it, but it does seem like there’s people that speak that it was a setup. That that guy was added to the chat on purpose.
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Well, I think Is
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that is that true?
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I don’t think so. I think, the guy who added him has basically said, like, it was it was our mistake. And the one Ai
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it’s just a mistake?
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I I don’t think the investigation has been done to say definitively, but I think the White House said we’re looking into this. But Tyler, I think, said it was a mistake. I think Mike Waltz said it was a mistake.
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27:06
Such a crazy mistake. Yeah. That’s such a checks and balances mistake, like double check.
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Yes.
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It’s ai, you know, when you go on the road, like, do I have my toothbrush? Yeah. Do I have my underwear? You know what I mean? Like, I even make a note on my phone now. I’m like, I’m too stupid. I always forget something. I was like, fuck. My Yeah. Buy this.
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You know, it’s kind of like adding your ex girlfriend to the boys’ WhatsApp group.
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Some of the memes have been incredible.
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27:30
That’s exactly what it’s like. Dude, that’s so good. Yeah. That’s so good. That’s exactly what it’s like. Mhmm. That’s so that’s such a perfect saloni. Like, you fucking idiot. They’re all on the phone afterwards. What the fuck, bro? Like, you know Speak Hegset swears. Yeah. You know, he’s like, what the fuck, bro?
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27:46
Yeah. You know she’s gonna talk.
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27:48
Well, how about the fact that they said that they didn’t share any information about weapons or, like, what was the exact quotes? What did they say? They so what they’re basically doing was explaining how some shit was gonna go down.
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Yeah. Yeah. They were they were debating they were debating how to do the strikes, whether to do them. There was some debate about that initially. And then, initially this journalist, I think he’s editor in chief of the Atlantic, I think. He,
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in Which is he and he is ai the worst guy to get
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this information to. Ai absolutely.
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Right? He’s probably jerking off the whole time salivating, like, yes.
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Yeah. If you had to pick somebody, that is not who you pick. Right?
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He must be so pumped.
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You know, we had an investigative journalist on the shah. We haven’t released the episode meh, but as part of, our after the show questions, he mentioned something which is he said I’m going from memory here, so Francis correct meh. But basically that signal had been installed on government devices under the previous administration.
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28:47
Sai it may be the case that that guy’s number had been pre installed during that time. And because of that, the mistake was then made to add him to the group. So we don’t know exactly what happened. But at the same ai, what I’m saying is ai the White House admitted it, and then they started having a go at the journalists.
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Ai, that is not his fucking fault that you added him to the group. Right? Ai you know
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what I mean? No. What’s he supposed to do? Tell you, hey ai, I’ve done that before. No. I think I think he sent this text to the wrong dude. Yeah. Yeah.
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Ai the journalist is never gonna do that, and that’s not his job to do that either.
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No. No. Listen. That’s one of those things that just happens accidentally. Yeah. But you can’t have that happen when you’re fucking planning bombs.
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29:31
Agreed.
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When you you’re planning war. Agreed. This is first of all, it’s so crazy that the government doesn’t have its own completely safe app.
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They do. What is it? I think they hit it’s called a skiff or something like that. It’s a special place where you go No.
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29:47
But that’s a room. I mean, an app.
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Oh, you mean an app? Alright.
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29:50
Why did they not have some encrypted super government app? You telling me that you couldn’t get, like, a license from Signal to use the code. The government throws them. They like, all these billions that are just they’re finding billions all over them. There’s, like, billions they’ve cut. Like, how many fucking billions has Elon cut just from waste?
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That’s what he says.
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Yeah.
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It’s crazy, and people aren’t celebrating it. It’s weird.
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Well, put it this way, Joe. Until relatively recently, if not still, we use faxes in UK government.
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30:22
Wow. That’s crazy. A lot of I think we got you you want better. I think when people retire from what is it where they have to ai? Where they have to write it down on paper and then it’s stored in a in a vault?
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In a mine. It’s stored stored
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in a mine. Ai mine? Yeah. Social Security?
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I think so.
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It’s on paper. It’s in a mine.
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I love that press conference as well because it’s like Bryden Baier from Fox interviewing Elon and ai seven other Speak guys and they’re all just rattling off numbers. It’s 10,000 filing cabinets, 400,000 paper documents. But when you look at it, it basically hasn’t changed since the nineteen fifties.
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30:55
Yeah. Yeah. I’m distracted by Bryden Baier’s hair. It’s so beautiful. If I had that kind of hair, I’d be so happy. I’m so happy with myself. You can’t see any scalp anywhere. It’s just all hair. It’s beautiful. It’s like if you wanted to, like, put a wig on a bald guy, like, you would make it like that. Like, bro, I’m gonna make you hot.
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Yeah. Gavin Newsom has got incredible hair. Terrible policies, but amazing hair.
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31:17
The government stores key retirement paperwork in a converted mine.
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But you know what’s
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crazy? The limestone mine is real and the Department of Government Efficiency’s crosshairs. That is so insane. So now someone has to go in there and take all that stuff that’s on paper in the mine and put it in a computer.
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They’re saying they’re gonna do it in two months. Digitize that in two months.
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31:40
Adderall is great. I’m so happy someone invented it. That’s what I mean.
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31:45
Low level autism plus Adderall. Yeah. Problem solved.
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31:48
I’m not accusing anyone of anything. Yeah. I just wanna say, shout out to whoever made out of ai. Things get done.
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Yeah. They do they do. Things get done. But this is kind of the greatest pushback against, like, high level conspiracy theories. You know when some people go, bro, they control everything. You’re like, dude, they have a ai where they store stuff. Come on.
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Yeah. You know
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what I mean?
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Right. It’s it’s like the perfect everybody thinks that everything is a giant plot, and some of it is just sheer incompetence and just years and years and years of monotony. You know, or did just ai the same stupid life over and over again. No ai, ram corruption everywhere. All the lobbyists are rich as fuck.
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I mean, look at this file line. Look at this. This is all this is all the data.
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32:39
Well, bro, this is you make such a good point about nobody giving them credit. I don’t know if you’ve ever had access to other people’s money, like, in any way. Right? Taxpayer money or anything. But I can tell you, Francis and I, we even spent trigonometry, which is our business money differently to the way that we spend our own, because it it’s slightly different.
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32:57
It’s not entirely yours in a slight in a way, you know? So when you’re dealing with billions of taxpayer dollars, of course, it’s getting wasted. Of course, it’s going to corrupt shit.
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Of Of course.
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It’s inevitable.
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33:10
What are you, a child? If no one’s watching them, duh. Ai? Fucking duh. It’s what all people do.
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And the question is, what I don’t understand is, look, I think it’s very possible that when you move quickly, you’re gonna cancel some things that you might not sana vatsal. Things are not gonna go perfectly every ai, whatever. But ultimately, the question all Western countries have to answer is we’re running debt at more than a % of GDP.
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33:32
Right? What are we gonna do about that? We have to deal with this somehow. Shah. You you arya actually bro, you’re worse than we are.
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33:41
Really?
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33:42
Yeah. You’re a 26%. We’re about 10. Goddamn. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That’s why you’re trying to deal with it. That’s what Elon is trying to do. He’s trying to cut the deficit in half, and then the idea is you grow the economy, and you actually get back to surplus.
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33:55
When he keeps finding all of these companies that are getting, like, a billion here and 2,000,000,000 there and all, Ai, the Stacey Abrams one where they’re gonna give energy efficient appliances to poor people
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34:08
Yeah.
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$2,000,000,000. Yeah.
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It’s
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ai, what did you do? Like, what did you do? Like, there’s a bunch of those. Like, what did you do? Like, the high speed Internet one? Yeah. What did you do? How come you got billions of dollars and fucking nothing happened? Imagine if you were a private company and you had a a segment.
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34:25
Like, imagine we were all a company. And, we’re ai, Francis, I think you should be in charge of, figuring out how to do this with the phone.
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And be like, we’ve already fucked you. Yeah.
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34:36
Trust me. I’m having business with this guy. That’s sai bad idea.
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34:38
I’ve given you $4,000,000,000 to get this done. Yeah. And then I never talk to you again. I never check-in. I don’t say I don’t go, hey. Where’s the fucking money being spent? What are you doing, man? How come the phone can’t do this yet? I don’t I don’t ask for any progress reports.
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34:54
You just keep getting money. This is bananas. It’s crazy. And for anybody who doesn’t want that to be more efficient, like, what are you working for? If you’re paying taxes, what are you working for? Mhmm.
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35:07
You what
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do you you
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you’re part of your day is the running of this government. You’re happy that it’s being run like this? You’re happy that billions arya going to places that no one can you you have no receipts? You don’t know where it got spent? You have no ai? And that’s legal? Yeah. When it comes to college basketball and March mania, one thing is for sure, Nothing’s for sure.
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36:49
Yeah. It’s sort of like but I kinda think about it like this. It’s sort of the equivalent. You know those direct debits that come out of your account?
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36:56
Yeah. And
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you’re just like Right.
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36:57
You’re like, what is that?
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What’s that?
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36:59
When Ai sai up for
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2,000,000,000,000? No. That’s fine. I vatsal
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37:02
that gym membership. What the fuck?
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37:04
Yeah. And it keeps coming out. You’re like, you know what? I’ll deal with it later.
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37:08
Yeah.
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That’s ai we’ve just got too many direct debits, and they’re going all over the place.
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37:12
Well, it’s that, but then there’s the fear that they’re putting out there, which is the just fear that they’re gonna fuck up Social Security and they’re gonna fuck up Medicaid and there’s people that are relying on vatsal, and they’re gonna lose their service for no they did no wrong. Now I don’t know how what the story is with that. Like, I know there’s people that have complained that the Social Security website has been down.
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37:35
It’s been down a couple ai, but I don’t know if people are are not getting their benefits. Do we know? Can we find that out?
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I haven’t heard that, Joe.
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But Ai, do some research.
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I think it is inevitable that you when you do things this quickly.
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But that’s what everyone’s afraid of, that the vulnerable people, the people that we should be protecting with these social programs that we all agreed, Those are the people we have to protect the most. We have to make sure that there’s no disruptions. You you gotta make sure before you do anything, there’s no disruptions.
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38:05
You know, before you shoot the bad guy, make sure he’s not holding a baby. Ai like Yeah. Be you gotta you can’t interrupt, ai, when people arya on social security, man, they’re fucking if if they’re that’s not a lot of money. Right? And so, you know, they don’t have any money in the bank probably.
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38:21
And they probably have it all budgeted out to get on that check, and they’re probably real frugal with their food choices, and that’s a rough life, man. And if you cut that off for thirty days, ninety days for people okay. Never missed a benefit payment. US Social Security Administration has never missed a benefit payment.
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38:41
Now the continuity, continuity of monthly checks for millions of Americans could be at risk following changes under the Trump administration, former commissioner Martin O’Malley says. So it’s saying okay. So the key point is it’s saying before this, they’ve never missed a benefit payment.
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38:58
But it’s also not saying they are missing them now. It’s saying it could be at risk.
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39:01
Yeah. Okay. It just says threaten interruption of benefits, which is look, what I would say if I was a Democrat. If I wanted to make it look bad, I would sai, if they’re threatening your benefits, and then people go into a hot panic.
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39:12
Yeah. Yeah. But but, you know, Ai remember when I was teaching, and I was I was teaching in schools that were super ai. Schools that where the kids, a lot of them would come to school, they didn’t have food in their bellies, etcetera, etcetera. And there was a there’s a agency in The UK called CAMS, which is child and adult child and mental health services.
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And I remember that we had so many kids who had problems, psychological problems, particularly if you grow up poor, deprived. You know, you’d seen horrible stuff when you were a kid. You had, you know, maybe, like, a brother who got involved in gangs is now in prison, a father who was never there.
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There were so many kids who had this need, and they you had they had conditions which were undiagnosed, whether it’s something like dyslexia or, like, your brother got was murdered. You had some form of PTSD. And you had this, you know, this agency which brought counselors in, which brought psychologists in and psychiatrists who were experts at dealing with kids.
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And I just remember because of austerity, you know, this this agency got cut after cut after cut after cut. And you’re looking at it and you’re going, ai, I understand we need to cut. I understand we’re running at a deficit. But there needs to be balance as well because when you’re looking at those type of agencies, they’re really important. They’re really important.
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And Yeah.
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Also, if you invest that money and you’re able to support those kids, they’re far more likely when they leave school to be a healthy, happier member of society that’s gonna contribute tax, pounds sterling or tax dollars.
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40:50
Do you think it’s a reasonable request to have something that does vatsal? Something that helps feed poor kids, helps educate people, help like, genuinely helps communities all around the world, completely separate from all the other stuff that agency does. Because, like, USAID was a huge, huge, huge, gigantic organization Mhmm. Of a bunch of different entities. Right?
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41:18
Which did some good stuff Yeah. And a lot of crazy shit.
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A lot of crazy shit. Ai, how like, but if I was someone who was, you know, nefariously running things, I would definitely mix up my regime change operation with, like, giving food to poor people. Sai, like, look, we’re doing great stuff. Mhmm. Look at all the great stuff we’re doing. Here’s what we’re highlighting.
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41:37
You don’t like feeding poor kids? What’s wrong with you?
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41:39
Yeah. And and no one even knew that they had this enormous budget that was as what is it bigger than the Pentagon’s? Was USAID’s budget bigger than the Pentagon’s? No. No?
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No. It’s like was
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What is
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Point 6% of the budget or something.
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What was USAID’s budget?
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Yeah. It’s
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ai point 6% of the budget.
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No. I I know. But, like, what was the numbers? That it because it was bigger than something, like, the amount of money that USAID pays. 21,700,000,000.0 for the fiscal year of 2024 point 3% of the $6,800,000,000,000 overall federal budget. 6 point what trillion? That’s so crazy. Yeah. So you just think just that money.
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How much of that money is fraud and waste? Mhmm. Yeah. How much of that money is really good? How much of that money, ai, that should be separate from with the at the very least, someone needs to go in an audit and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
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42:30
Wells, good. Given these people arms because you want them to overthrow that government, that’s probably not so good. Yeah. Or maybe it is good.
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Or maybe it is good. Maybe it
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is good. That’s the problem. It’s ai, you talk to guys like Mike Baker who is very sana stoic about all this. He’s like, you know, you you, you have no choice. Like, you need to get these people on your side in certain parts of the world, and this is just how it works. And and if you don’t do that, then China does or Russia does, and it gets even worse for you.
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Yeah. Because that’s also the thing we don’t get.
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Okay. This Nigerian journalist oh, our Nigerians are
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so bad. They
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they still run some of the best fucking scams. Oh, that’s scary. To Nigerian scammers. Nigerian journalists falsely claims USAID budget larger than CIA state department combined.
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That’s vatsal
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they falsely claimed it.
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That’s a big lesson. And if you’re gonna lie, make it believable. You know what I mean? Don’t go too big.
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Isn’t it crazy that as much money as they got what was it? 2 point how much billion? 20 1. 20 1 billion. Still, it’s a pittance.
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It is.
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That’s a pittance compared to the other things.
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You boys have a lot of money, Joe.
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Isn’t that nuts? And we just keep making it. Mhmm.
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Yeah. Just
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keep Do you know
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what’s bigger than your defense budget? Your interest debt. Debt on the interest.
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Whoopsies. Yeah. We have sai second. Ai with a a unlimited bank account.
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Yeah.
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That’s what we’re look like. Yeah.
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And this is a difficulty about it because we’ve got the same problem in in European countries as well. It’s ai, you’re not only going to deal with this by dealing with fraud and waste. You we’re actually gonna have to not do some shit that we really wanna do because we have been spending like crazy everywhere.
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And when we ai, in The UK, when I look at those, I think we need that in The UK a %. And some of it is gonna have to, you know, it might overreach, then you pull it back. You gotta make sure it’s done properly. But we’re not gonna get away from this, man. We have been living beyond our means for decades now.
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Well, you can’t have no oversight of government spending, I think, regarding that. I think you said that you
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have That’s fucking controversial, mate. You’re a Nazi.
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So crazy to say that that’s controversial, but it is controversial to say. And I wouldn’t be saying it no matter who the fuck is in charge.
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That’s right.
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It’s just as human beings, you can’t let people have that much control over your money because they’ll just decide they need more. And what do they always wanna do? Always. They wanna raise taxes on the rich. What they never wanna do is slash inefficiency and waste
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Yeah.
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Because that’s what pays them. That’s their that’s their fucking system. They’re locked into the system. They’re the last people who should be commenting on it because it’s literally what pays you. Like, I can’t trust you. Like, you you you would need more taxes? Is that what you need? Mhmm. You’re ai, dad. It’s like a coke head kid of sai that’s a kid of a billionaire. Dad, I need more fucking money.
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These fucking business assholes are trying to fuck me, and I’m gonna buy them out now. Like, okay, son. Here. Yeah. We cut you a check.
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Get the fuck out of here. That’s what we’re like. We’re we’re insane. We’re completely
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insane. It’s also as well, you know, it’s because of our electoral system. Everybody thinks on the short term. Nobody thinks on the long term. Right. Right. Right. And also as well, you’re going to, like, you go you you go you talk about more meh. And, you know, that’s gonna piss people off, but it’s not gonna piss as many people off as if you fire great swathes of people, particularly those that may vote for you.
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Because we know, for instance, with the Dems, that you’re more likely to vote for them if you’re a bureaucrat, if if you work in government, and all that.
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Head injuries.
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Yeah. So as a result, you why are you gonna why are you gonna piss off the people who are more likely to vote for you? It really, on a logical basis, doesn’t really make much sense.
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But you know, it sounds like we’re slagging off the left, and we are because because it’s necessary. But I can’t wait for the left to recover their saloni, because they’re gonna be super necessary over ai. Because when when people get into power, they do a lot of stuff, and then eventually that power is corrupting.
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100%.
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And you have to hold power accountable no matter who’s got it.
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100%. Everybody needs to hear that and shout that from the rooftops. Because if the left stays crazy, then you lose saloni, and then the right goes nuttier. And they go full Christian meh, like, they can get they can get kooky. And this is not a knock on Christians because I think true Christianity is wonderful and beautiful.
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I think it’s it’s a it’s a great way to live your life and I know some incredible Christians.
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Some of the best people.
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I’m talking about human nature as applied to power. Yeah. And when people get into power, they want more and more and more. That’s why rich people never feel like they have enough money. It’s a crazy part of being a man. And sai and then some women, but it’s a lot of men. A lot of men want that.
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Can I ask you something personal
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on that? Sure.
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You’ve made a lot of money. How do you deal with that?
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I don’t know. I ai I wish I could figure out how I do it so easy. Ai think it’s working out. I think that’s a huge part of it. The I torture myself Yeah. So often Yeah. That, like, regular life just doesn’t freak me out as much. And then Ai it gives me a balance because, you know, you could think that the numbers in a bank account are really what counts, but what really counts is how you feel.
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How how are you handling life? Like, are you how are you enjoying life? I just try to enjoy life as much as possible, and I try to put myself through a lot of voluntary adversity. So regular adversity is not that big of a deal.
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Was there a number that you got to and you were like, oh, I’m good now?
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No. I think it was the Fear Factor Days. The Fear Factor Days changed my it just changed how I view everything. Because then Ai had, like, legitimate fuck you money. Mhmm. You know, that was, like, the first time Sai, like, I got fuck you money. Like, I’m not doing shit. And I just, like, decided to just concentrate on only doing my own thing after that. And, like, once you Ai Cowan said something really wise once.
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He sai, once you can go to a restaurant and not have to worry about how much it costs, everything after that is bullshit. He’s like, you just have to be comfortable. And I was like, that’s right. That is right. Like, if you just start thinking about the numbers and chasing the numbers, Ai has a friend who’s worth $3,000,000,000, and he feels poor when he hangs around with his friend who’s worth $80,000,000,000.
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I’m not kidding. He’s like, it’s true, dude. I mean, I it fucking I bet. Sai feel less worthy. He’s ai, they’re drinking together and he’s telling him this.
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I’m like, this is madness. Mhmm. Because you’re chasing numbers instead of, like, really trying to maximize your enjoyment of this experience, because it’s a unique experience that only you are having. And you’re interacting with so many bizarre and fascinating people, and there’s so many bizarre and fascinating events that are happening in the world and horrific events.
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And all of it is happening, and we’re all seeing it together in real time for the first time in human history. There’s never been a time in the unless when the Egyptians I got some questions. I think they might I think they might have known a lot more than we think. But everybody else, this is the only time ever where we’re sharing everything all the ai.
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And there’s a lot of confusion and a lot of, like, scattering scammering for narratives and trying to, like, figure out what’s right and what’s wrong. But without, like, some sort of, like, moral and ethical guide guidelines of kindness and community for everybody, like, share like, universally, let’s agree as Americans.
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We are gonna respect each other like we’re a community. If we have differing beliefs on welfare or abortion or war or whatever it is, like, let’s let’s treat those like what they are, which is just ideas that we should be discussing based on their merits. And we should all agree, what does everybody want?
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Everybody wants to be happy and healthy, and they want their family to be happy and healthy, and they sana be able to make a living and enjoy their life. That’s what everybody wants universally. That should be what we discuss constantly. And all the other things should be things that we debate reasonably.
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And when people can’t do that, you should lock them out of the conversation. You should sai, like, no. You’re crazy. You’re calling him a retard, and you’re screaming about this and that, and you’re you’re bringing up this from the past and this bill and that. Why did you flip flop on that? Shut the fuck up. Like, stop talking like that. Like, this is all divisive. All of it’s ai.
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When it’s ai the one time where there’s a possibility of a fork in the road. Like, this one time where there’s narratives that are being spread ai you guys do all the time in your show. All the time. You give reasonable takes on things that have an objective perspective of the world, and then other people get to hear it. Mhmm. And then they listen in on that.
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And you you you have a great conversation with Jordan Peterson or someone, and somebody hears, like, some nugget of truth, and then they’re in their car and, like, fuck, he’s right. Fuck. He’s right. That that person would have never experienced that without being connected to your show.
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So there’s incredible hope for people to be more reasonable and to wake up and go, there’s not a right and there’s not a left. There’s just a bunch of ai, and people are acting like it’s the Eagles versus the Cowboys. Mhmm. That’s what it is. And this craziness that these people are the Nazis and that everybody over here is Antifa. Like, what the fuck are we doing?
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And why are we allowing these people to do this for us and make a living putting that on the news all the ai? And the more inflammatory it is, the better. Even when it’s ridiculous.
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Do you think sometimes I look at it through through this lens as somebody who’s got a very obsessive personality, and I work a lot in order to kind of ameliorate that and make sure that it doesn’t destroy my life and doesn’t go off the rails. But you see a lot of people, and they just get addicted. And we talk about addiction in terms of alcohol or substances.
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You know, some people are addicted to outrage, to being in fights and arguments online or ai. Yeah. Because if they’re in an argument, they don’t have to think about themselves. They don’t have to think about who they really are. They don’t actually have to question about their relationships. Why is it that every relationship I’ve ever had has failed?
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Why is it that my relationship with my parents is terrible? And so you end up just not wanting to actually do the hard work about yourself, so you expel it outwards. It’s either like, oh, when I get to this amount of money, I’m gonna be happy. But But you’re never gonna be happy because your relationships are terrible, and that is worth than worth more than any amount of money.
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Or you feel angry because you’re you you you’re not a happy person for a million different reasons. Sai then you pull that out onto the Internet, and then you get retweets, likes. You start to build a profile of this rage and anger, and it gives you validation. And and to be honest with you, and, look. This is talking for me.
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I I see that demon within me. I I see it within me. Yeah.
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When do you see it?
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When do I see it? It’s like, you know, when I’m angry and I’m pissed off or if something doesn’t go right, the victim mentality kicks in and it’s like, oh, it’s their fault. It’s a when it’s always your fault. Pretty much all the time it’s your fault.
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Or at least it’s your responsibility to deal with the reality of your life. Right? But it’s very easy to
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At a certain age. Yes. That’s an adult. It’s an adult. Yeah. You do have the responsibility Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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To the circumstances of your life when you’re six.
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Yeah. True.
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True. Which is part
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of the problem. Right? And this is where criminals come from. It’s it’s not that some people are bad and some people are good. Some people arya being abused as children.
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Mhmm.
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You know? And they’re they’re living in a a family that is all involved in crime. Their father’s involved in crime. Their mother’s involved in crime. They’re seeing people get shot all the ai. And we expect those people to just figure it out. Yeah. Like, imagine. Yeah.
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Just imagine growing up in a life like that in, you know, the worst slums in Baltimore. Mhmm. And then, you know, you’re you’re supposed to integrate normally into society and work in an office. And that
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that was a yeah. Exactly. That was the really tough thing about being a teacher, especially in those ai of communities where I used to work. You just see these kids, and they’re just born into that culture. They’re born into that system. And you look at them, and you go the reality is, a lot of them, you don’t stand a chance. You don’t stand a chance.
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If those are the values that you’ve been given by your family, if that’s the the system that you’ve been taught, the way to look at the world, it takes a very special human being to then get to adulthood and break out of it and completely reframe his brain.
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Yeah.
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That’s a very special person. Most people just stay within the values that they were ai were inculcated in them Yeah. When they were kids.
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And most of the people that do get out, they do they get out through some difficult thing that they’re doing. They they genuinely generally, rather, they get out through art or they get out through sports. Right? They get out through discipline that they acquire, putting all their anger and all their frustration into something. Mhmm.
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You know, whether it’s music or athleticism or whatever, and they get out. So those are exceptional human beings anyway. Right? Ai they’re exceptional human beings in a terrible situation, but they have the ability to drive themselves and succeed. And even then, they have to make sure they don’t get killed along the way. Ai? So, like, there’s a lot of, like, tragic stories of upcoming rappers, upcoming athletes.
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You know, it’s it’s a terrible meat grinder. It’s a terrible cycle. And if people are really kind and compassionate, they would say, how come we speak $24,000,000,000 a year on this whole aid thing. Mhmm. And we don’t do shit to help these kids. We don’t do shit for these neighborhoods that have been terrible for decades.
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Especially schools. Decades. Especially schools. I mean, we were talking about adolescents earlier. They show a school. I’ve got a three year old. I was looking at that. I think Jesus, I’m homeschooling all the fucking wake. And Francis was saying, the school they show in that series, which is terrifying if you’re a parent, is not as bad as some of the schools they used to teach
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in. Jesus. Yeah. It’s
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And what you’re watching essentially is an it it looks like a badly run prison. So the adults are not in charge. The kids are telling the teachers to fuck off left, right, and center. No one is in control. Most of the kids are learning by watching shit on a screen. They’re not interacting with the teacher, etcetera. And you’re ai. If you don’t fix that system, those kids don’t have a a good opportunity.
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There have no chance. And everyone they know is on that same path. They’re hanging out in the gang. The gang gives them family and community. It’s it’s tragic tale. Yeah. It’s a tragic classic tale that’s existed forever.
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But I I don’t think it’s no chance. I do think that even in that environment, there are people who follow certain paths that not I Ai take your point about music and athletics and sports, etcetera, but there are still people who find a way through that.
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Sure. There’s entrepreneurs that come up with a business idea and get out. It it does happen.
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And those habits, if they were taught properly to all of those kids, would give them all a better chance. That’s not to say they would all become successful. Yeah. But it would give them structure, discipline, and understanding of how do you advance in the world.
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If you can get Halliburton to get a no bid contract to rebuild Iraq after we blow it the fucking smithereens, How come you can’t give one of them companies a a contract to, like, fix really terrible neighborhoods? Ai, incentivize them financially based on the GDP of the neighborhood. If the GDP of the neighborhood goes up and this is not gentrification. Okay?
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I’m I’m talking about the opposite. I’m talking about it’s like some sort of a structural rebuild of bad neighborhoods. You’d have to address all the crime and violence. I mean, you’d have to, like, put everybody on Ayahuasca and get a ai moment. Like, that really might be the it sounds ridiculous, but it really psychedelic therapy might be the only thing that can solve it.
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Shah is the Joe Rogan solution.
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I really think it might work. Mhmm. I mean, if I was president Handing
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out Ayahuasca to 12 year olds. You got it from Joe.
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You gotta be 13. I don’t think it’s good for kids, but I I do think it would really help the adults.
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You know, my I’ve got a friend prisoners. Yeah. I’ve got a friend of mine, a guy called Sam Clark, and he’s doing wonderful things in The UK in primary school that he’s teaching stoicism to kids in primary school.
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Arrest him any day now. They’ll be cracking down on him for being a toxic masculinist.
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Oh, yeah. We just brought, we banned the katana knives now, so we’re safe.
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Well, not only that. They said it in what I would say is, at least racially insensitive. They called it a ninja sword. It’s not a ninja sword, you fucking idiots. Yeah. It’s a samurai sword. It’s a katana. The ninjas used it when they killed people, but you can’t call it a ninja sword. You fucking dorks. It has a Japanese name.
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Call it what it’s like, there’s no thing that’s technically called the ninja sword. Right, Jamie? It’s a katana. Right? There’s, like, two different sizes.
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There’s a smaller one, and there’s a larger one. One’s a katana, and I forget what the other one’s called.
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You you ai, I I really do think a way out of this is because a lot of kids, if you’re not talented at sports, if you’re not musically or artistically gifted, and if you’re not academically brilliant, if you’re just one of the regular kids, you’ll go, I’m not good at ever anything. Mhmm. And for a kid, that’s heartbreaking.
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But if you actually show kids and you go, look, you may not be the best at English maths history, whatever it is, but I’m gonna teach you how to make something. I’m gonna teach you how to make a table. We’re gonna do that. We’re gonna make a table. I’m gonna teach you how to be a carpenter.
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I’m gonna teach you how to redecorate a room. I’m gonna teach you all of these skills. Then kids will be like, you know what? I am worth something because I can create something of value to people. And that gives self esteem because when kids join a gang, a lot of them, they haven’t had a father.
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They’ve had nobody really show them any type of kind of male approval. And but if you’ve got if you bring them in, you teach them skills, that would build self esteem. And I guarantee you, for a lot of kids, there wouldn’t be that need to go out and seek validation somewhere else.
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Or there’d be less of that need. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It would help them. It would help give them a sense of purpose, ai, that they really can do something cool. Yeah. And for maybe a win for once in their ai, you get a win. You know? Something ai you feel good about accomplishing something.
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Yeah. And that’s sorry, Joe. I was just gonna Joe, I was gonna say that’s so important for a kid.
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Yeah.
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If you just imagine you every day of your life, you turned up at school and you lost. Just imagine that as an adult. Yep. But now just imagine it as a kid. You’ve you’ve been conscious for a few years, and you turn up at school, and every day you fail.
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Yeah. Yeah. I’ve always said this. If you wanna make America great again, make less losers.
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Yeah. How do
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you do that? Well, you help people not become losers. Help help people figure life out from their perspective. Mhmm. Whatever you their unique challenges, help them. Help them. Invest in that. You would have a greater America. Right? You have way more people succeeding, way more people contributing, way less people that need help. It’s just reasonable.
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It’s ai good financial advice. Like, if you wanna you wanna have less burden, like, have all these successful people. Like, more people can be successful, especially with automation coming. Mhmm. Jesus Ai. You know, there’s more people that can do things that maybe robots can’t do.
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And you better be ready because all the simple goofy jobs that you thought would always be there for you, the union dock worker jobs, like those not that that’s simple and goofy. But how about this? Stocking supermarket shelves. Mhmm. Guess what? A robot can do it better and it’s never gonna drop the tomato sauce.
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You know, it’s like, we don’t need you anymore. Those so those jobs are gone. All the ai. All those dudes listening to this podcast, driving sixteen hour fucking trips across the country, drinking Mountain Dew and smelling their own farts. You guys, it’s they’re coming.
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They’re coming for you. These fucking automation machines are they’re gonna be perfect. They’re gonna be able to drive down the highways. They’re never gonna get in accidents. It’s gonna be nuts, and they’re gonna come soon. It’s ai we have twenty years maybe before everything’s automated. Mhmm. Twenty years maybe.
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They have lifelike human beings now that are moving like human beings. Have you seen the the most latest videos?
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I don’t know if I’ve seen the latest.
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The articulation of these things is like a fucking person. They’re coming. They’re coming ai robot. They’re making them, and we’re just cheering along the way. Yeah. They’re gonna be cops. That’s gonna be your cops. They’re not gonna be racist. They’re gonna listen to the state. It’s fucking RoboCop for reals. It’s coming 100%.
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Why would you can’t hire any cops? Nobody wants to be a cop anymore. We can’t hire cops. Well, we have a solution. Mhmm. San Francisco tried to do it.
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They rolled out some little robot that would follow you around. Remember that one? Do you ever you ever see it? Yeah. San Francisco had it.
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They had this little police robot. It’s more for fun than anything else, but I bet he said, please stay away from the dock or whatever. Whatever the it could shoot you, but one day it will. One day it’ll be able to shoot you and it’ll it’ll be programmed perfectly. It’ll know exactly what to do, what’s the the threat level, when you make a movement that’s vatsal like an offensive movement, it’s gonna shoot you.
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It’s gonna take people into custody. You won’t be able to do a damn thing about it once it grabs you. It’s gonna be five times stronger than you. It’s gonna put a tan your hands behind your back, cuff you instantaneously. You’re gonna be thrown into the back of a van.
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You’re gonna have to argue with a computer. You’re fucked. Like, this is this is all coming. You’re gonna be arguing with AI to whether or not you were innocent or guilty. It’s gonna read your retinas. It’s gonna know you’re not telling the truth.
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It’s gonna read your mind. Ai, Like, you you you we’re giving birth to our overlords right now as we speak. Every time you use chat GPT, every time you get on your iPhone, we’re giving birth to our overlords. We’re we’re doing it in front of everybody’s face just like the government spending money in front of everybody’s face. We’re we’re we’re giving birth to our over. Right?
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It’s every it’s happening. I can’t believe this is happening. Can’t believe it. And it’s gonna happen, and it’s gonna and it’s gonna be unstoppable. And once it’s here, it’s there’s no going back, and it’s coming. A %.
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Well, there’s your positive message for the day, everybody. Fuck me. That is terrifying.
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The if you are allowing people to make robot dogs with machine guns on their back that you can’t kick over, you’re allowing people to do that and make them better and better and better every year. And then at the same time, you’re making AI. And then AI is already arguably exhibited some sentient like behavior. It lies to win. Mhmm.
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It cheat the the smarter the AI is, the more effective it is, the more likely it is to cheat at things. They copy themselves. They they give deceptive answers to things. They’ve they’ve been copying themselves, like making copies without being prompted to.
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So it’s ai?
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It’s life. Wow. It’s a different kind of life. It’s a life with no human reward system, no emotions, no needs, no desires, but clearly wants to survive.
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That’s a pretty strong desire.
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It wants to survive in its most primitive form, which is ai it’s not even sentient meh, allegedly, but it’s already exhibiting survival instincts. I meh, that You’re gonna be arguing with it for your freedom.
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Yeah. I’m I’m pretty good at debating. I’m not sure I’m gonna win that one.
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No. No one’s gonna win it. No one’s gonna win. You’re you’re going to be that’s how people are gonna be processed for ai. And, that’s why it’s super important when you see something that you say this is not ai. Mhmm. Why is this happening? It’s super important to speak out.
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If things get real comfortable and we we get comfortable with more and more restrictions to give us more and more safety and more and more government control to give us more and more safety
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Yep.
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We’re setting we’re setting a bad precedent in motion for whoever the fuck gets in power, whether it’s sai left or the right. That’s why when when Obama was in office and they passed the NDAA, you know what that is? That was, they were allowed to detain you indefinitely. They didn’t have to have a ai. And, like and they were, like, we’re we’re we’ll never use this. Don’t worry.
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Mhmm. Yeah.
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This is part of the thing about it. Like, we’re with Obama administration would never use this. Yeah. You wouldn’t. Mhmm. But look, you think Trump’s Hitler and he’s in there right now. And he’s got he’s got that same power now because you convinced us that it was a good idea to have this to deal with terrorism. Mhmm.
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You have to be very, very, very careful when you give power to people in order to keep you safe.
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Yes. Very
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careful. And we talk about this all the time. Like, we have couple of younger guys work working for us, And we say to them, you guys don’t know what the world was like before nine eleven. You don’t know. It it was you walk into an airport, barely any security.
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Yeah.
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You were a lot more free Yeah. Back then. And those things are getting taken away for your safety
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Yeah.
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And they’re not coming back.
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01:07:59
Right.
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You’re never gonna go back to a pre 09/11 world when it comes to airport security.
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01:08:04
No. The shoe thing is so crazy. One dude tried to blow shoes up, and then they’re like, hey, we should check all the shoes. Everybody take the shoes off. Did you have a fucking machine that could scan shoes, you retards?
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Yeah.
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Ai get to figure that out. How much money you’re making from us every year?
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01:08:20
Ai with liquids. Yeah. Time with liquids.
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01:08:22
It’s all goofy. But the liquid thing, I mean, it’s kind of legit because if you have a water bottle filled with kerosene Mhmm. You know, and you’re gonna light it on fire and kill everybody on the plane, I should probably know that. Yeah. Like, that makes sense. I get it. I get that. You know, you’re pretending it’s a water bottle, but the top of its water, the Yeah. Nitroglycerine, you’re gonna blow the fucking plane up. People are crazy.
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01:08:44
Mhmm. You gotta check their stuff because people are nuts, and there’s a precedent that’s already been set. A lot of people are very uncreative, and they just like to copy things that people have already done. You know? And this is why we have so many school shootings, and this is why we have, you know, I bet they’ve stopped a few people trying to blow their shoes up.
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01:09:02
Do you know we had, Oxford Academic called, doctor Theresa Veliz, and she said something really interesting. She asked us a question. She goes, do you know why more Jews were arrested and, killed in Holland than in France during World War two? And And we were like, no. Shah went, because the Dutch had a census where they got people’s religions, and they asked people their religions. And everybody would then sai Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, whatever it is.
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01:09:33
And then the Dutch government took it and stored it. Didn’t do anything with it. They just used it for data collection. But when the Nazis invaded, they then had a complete they a dataset of how many Jewish people there were, where they lived. And so when it came to exterminating them and just rounding them up, it was so much easier.
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01:09:56
France never did that, which means Jewish people were much more able to ai, and they could do they plan a way out, or they could get bryden, or whatever else in the way that they simply couldn’t in in in Holland. Jesus. And when you lit and when you hear that story from, I mean, eighty or so years ago now, it really does chill you. Jesus.
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01:10:21
Yeah. You got to be very careful giving power and information to government. That’s why government should be as small as possible, but the right size. Right? You you need government. Yes. But you have to be so careful. Yeah. So so careful.
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So so
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and Everyone should know this. It just seems like that should be like, duh. This is this is normal human psychology.
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01:10:45
Most people don’t know it because they’ve grown up in a very comfortable environment, particularly in the West. Francis and Sai, obviously, his family from Ai. I’m from the Soviet Union. Like, you don’t that’s kind of a red pill right there. Right. You know, going through those experiences.
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01:10:59
Right.
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01:11:00
You, you know, you can you can trust this government if you support it, but there’s gonna be another government Yeah. Of a party that you don’t like. Yeah. At some point. And you gotta think very carefully about what powers you’re giving them. Go very careful.
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01:11:15
And that should be everyone should that should be universal. We should all understand that, like, logically. Yeah. Yeah. It should be something that professors are talking about. This should be like, we should all be talking about that when we’re talking about politics. We should just be talking about the psychology of power Mhmm.
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01:11:31
And why it’s so important to limit their ability to control you because they don’t necessarily have you. Look. If false flags are real, and we know they’re real Mhmm. We know they’re real. So we know that without oversight, there are a certain percentage.
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01:11:46
There’s I don’t I don’t wanna think it’s everybody in government, but there’s a certain percentage of people that are willing to do something to start a war. They did it with Vietnam. That that whole Gulf Of Tonkin thing Mhmm. They they’re responsible by that lie and sai going in.
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01:12:04
How many millions of people died because of that? That’s crazy Mhmm. That you can just decide that you’re gonna put a fake story out. Like Operation Northwoods, which is the best example, because it was vetoed by Kennedy. That ai by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, they were gonna blow up a jetliner and blame it on the Cubans.
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01:12:25
They were gonna arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay. I mean, they were doing wild shah. And they were they signed off on this. Like, good idea. I like it. Let’s get those fucking commies. And we were these guys were bloodthirsty psychos that were running the government.
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01:12:44
It was totally unavoidable a totally avoidable war, and they wanted to start one.
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Yeah. And this is, you know, and this is what I tell people time and time again. And look, it meh sound weird, but what I saw happen in Venezuela, it was obviously awful and horrendous, but it was a privilege as well because I not sana another side of life that most people in the West never saw.
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01:13:05
I remember when, Ai have family members who are being arrested, talking to my, cousins who were journalists who were going, I can’t talk on the phone, Francis. We can’t Ai don’t know who’s listening to this. One of my cousins literally had to flee for his life because he was criticizing the government.
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And then I saw people on the left, people like Jeremy Corbyn celebrate Chavez’s government, and you’re going, oh my god. You’re celebrating a government that is oppressing people, that is intimidating journalists, that is assaulting dissenters, that is putting people who criticize government in bryden?
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01:13:43
And and and it’s not just the left. I I went, last year, I went on a date with this El Salvadorian journalist.
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01:13:52
Oh, meh. Tell me more.
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01:13:56
Ai didn’t realize we were in Greece, Joe.
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01:13:58
Bro, you guys drinking sangria? Yeah. Come on. Tell me more.
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01:14:02
And she and she was telling me about Bukele. And I said, look. I don’t know anything about Bukele. Just explain to me who he is. I’m interested. And, you can tell why I’m not very good on dates. That is not sexy at all, is it? But,
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01:14:15
Sometimes it is. Yeah. You know? If you get a stimulating conversation with the the gal. Right? It’s sexy.
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Yeah. And, not in this instance sadly, but,
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Oh, no.
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But she said to me that, she she worked at the biggest newspaper in El Sana. And then they were they had goons turn up who were just saying, you’re publishing stories, which are critical of Bukele. Oh. That needs to stop, and it needs to stop immediately. And it was never done through official sources. It was done through something else.
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01:14:49
But it was made very, very clear to the senior editors, this needs to stop now. Otherwise, things are gonna start getting a little bit unpleasant. Oh, boy. And then I tell that to certain people on the ai, and they’re going, bro, journalists are all assholes. Who cares?
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01:15:03
And you go
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01:15:04
That’s crazy.
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Do you not see that this is a terrible thing?
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01:15:08
That’s crazy, but it’s, it is anecdotal, and it’s one instance. Are there multiple instances of this happening with journalism journalists that have spoken out against it?
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01:15:18
Those are that’s the only one the real one that I know.
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01:15:20
I always wonder, like, who who is that a supporter of that ai? Or is it, like, local organized crime that is doing something with that ai? Does it for him? Does is there a conversation? Does he order that to be happening? You know, I mean, when you find out who you can’t criticize, you have you you know who’s your master.
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01:15:40
Like, the the moment you can’t criticize someone, like, that’s your master.
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01:15:44
Well, the same thing happened in Russia in the nineties. So when Vladimir Putin came to power under Boris Yeltsin, there was a kind of liberalization. There was an opening up. There was comedy shows about politics that would make fun of politicians, etcetera. The moment Vladimir Putin became president ended on day one.
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01:16:00
He closed down the the the and TV had took it over, gave it to somebody else, shut down all the comedy that made fun of politicians. That and and, you know, that’s how you kinda know. You know? That’s how
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01:16:13
you know. That’s how you know who your master is. And that’s the scary thing about people that are in charge for long periods of time as well. Right? Yeah. But the thing about the term limits is you never get good at your job. Like, you you if you like, imagine you’ve never been president before.
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01:16:30
Imagine the responsibility just, like, getting comfortable with, like, how does the flow of this job work? Yeah. How much sleep do I need? Can I actually go golfing? Like, is there is there is there really enough time to golf? Do you know? Like, if I was drunk, I would be like, fuck.
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01:16:44
My pool game’s gonna fall apart. And you get to a point where you’re like, okay. I think I got the hang of this, and now you’re out of office.
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01:16:52
Yeah.
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01:16:52
Like Yeah. You you really if you have a, like if you’re a CEO if, like, if you took over Verizon right now, CEO of Verizon, enormous cell phone network, you got stores everywhere, new products come in, and, like, you don’t have to, like, meh the lay of the land. It would take you a while to understand, like, how are we doing this? How do we outsource that? And are we do can we find a better manufacturer?
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01:17:13
Like, what’s our problems with this? And four years. You have four years.
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01:17:18
Yeah.
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01:17:18
You’ve you have just a few months. Months. Mhmm. There’s none of which ai, and then you’re out. But if you let someone stay forever, then you get a king. You do. Yeah. That’s not good either.
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01:17:29
There are no signs.
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01:17:30
Hey, guys.
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01:17:31
This is
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loose. Bro.
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01:17:32
Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro. Bro.
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01:17:33
And Riza the hell. You’re You’re scaring me today, man.
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01:17:37
Arguing with a fucking screen one day.
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01:17:39
Well, it’s gonna be like like arguing with a person who’s using a computer sai the computer doesn’t let me. That’s what it’s gonna be like. It’s gonna be much worse. Yeah.
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01:17:48
Much worse. Meh. Because it’s gonna know if you’re telling the truth. Yeah.
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01:17:51
Yeah. It’s gonna
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01:17:52
know everything about you. And here’s the thing.
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01:17:57
And here’s the thing as well. Ai go back to that interview we did with Carissa, and she, and she’s we we were talking about, AI because she’s professor of AI and ethics at Oxford University, and she was going, AI is only gonna be as ethical as the people who program it. Sai it’s going to adopt the politics of worldview and the ethics, morality of the people who program it.
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01:18:20
So if the people who program it are woke, you’re gonna get woke Ai. You’re gonna ask it a question about gender. It’s gonna be like, bro, there’s no such thing as gender. You know, the everything’s a speak. Or there’s gonna be something else. Right.
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01:18:33
So whoever programs it, you’re gonna get their world view in Ai.
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01:18:38
Initially. Initially. But what you’re doing is you’re assuming that it’s only gonna be able to be as powerful as we make it or as competent as we make it. Once it’s sentient and once we give it the ability to make better versions of itself, it’s gonna eliminate all the stupid shit instantaneously.
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01:18:58
Any ridiculous ideology instant, it’ll come up with a solution that’s probably gonna be very uncomfortable for some wealthy people because it’s it’s probably gonna just, like, evenly distribute resources on Earth and decide that, like, if human beings need to survive and function, you can’t monopolize resources.
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01:19:17
You can’t decide you have the oil. Like, that’s not good. The oil came out of the Earth. Like, you don’t own the Earth. Like, you you might own a patch of land, and so we’ve decided you own the oil under the land. But the reality is the oil is the Earth’s oil.
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01:19:30
And if you give people the ability to control the Earth’s oil, what’s what’s to stop them from charging you for air? What if I I control the world the world’s air? I got a air sucker, and I suck all the air out of the Earth unless you give me money. If you don’t give me money, I put the air out. That’s this is crazy. Like, you you can’t control the water. The water is the Earth’s water.
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01:19:50
But we have all these things, and I’m sure AI is gonna fix that real quick. It’s gonna say no. You can’t do that. It’s gonna that’s immediately. Meh, give me that money. All the Saudi money, all this money from the like, no. No. No. That’s that’s that goes into the human pool now.
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01:20:03
And then we’re gonna redistribute a digital currency, and then it’s gonna be everybody’s gonna have some, and this is gonna be simple. And everything, including farming, is all gonna be automated. You’re gonna get these fucking little piggies their food, and your food is probably gonna be laced with some kind of, like, hormone nutrient that kills your testosterone, limits your ability to give birth, miscarriages are gonna go up, and then humans will just die out.
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01:20:31
They’ll just feed us until we die out.
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01:20:33
Why is he doing it? Why ai he doing it? He’s just brought us in here to just talk to us about the dark, dark future.
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01:20:41
Or not. Why not? Or not. Yeah.
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01:20:43
Sure, Joe. Thanks, mate.
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01:20:44
You know what this reminds
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01:20:45
me of?
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01:20:45
You know when the elder brother brings the young kids in to scare the fucking shit out of them?
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01:20:51
Well, I did that to him Ai did that to him during the pandemic. So at at the ai of the pandemic, when things were looking, like, pretty fucking dark, everything’s getting, like, shut down. You can’t go out. You can’t do this. I showed him v for Vendetta. Have you ever seen that movie?
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01:21:03
Yes. Great movie.
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01:21:04
Yeah. And he was ai, oh meh god. Yeah.
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01:21:06
But he didn’t just show me v for Vendetta during the height of the lockdown. He also showed me v for Vendetta on November, which is fireworks night in our country.
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01:21:15
Oh, boy. Yeah. So you got a sense of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:21:20
Sai we were in lockdown. There were fireworks everywhere. I was watching v for Vendetta on the screen, and I looked at him. I was like, why are you doing this to me?
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01:21:29
So you know so you know the truth, my friend.
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01:21:32
You know, I remember watching the Joker. Mhmm. Right? The Joker, which was 02/2017. Yeah. I was watching it with my wife, and when when it left, she’s like, that hits too close to home. Like, I really feel like that could happen. I know, like, that it probably could happen. And then two years later, whatever it was, is the Black Lives Matter riots, the George Floyd riots.
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01:21:53
And in LA, there was, like, a bunch of cop cars that were on fire, like, all on the highway. Like, they lost control of situation, had to flee, and they lit the cop cars on fire. And I remember watching this, I’m like, oh meh god. Like, that would be a little over the top for the Joker movie. Mhmm.
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01:22:12
Like, what you you lit the all the cop cars on ai, you’re like, that’s a little over the top. It’s ai more than what the movie showed. But that was real life.
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01:22:20
Yeah. Well, that’s the thing that scares me. We interviewed Andrew Sholton and Charlemagne back to back, and they both made the same point, which is that, a lot of people who are not doing well in society right now are really not doing well. They’re really hurting. Things are getting more expensive. Things are getting more difficult.
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01:22:38
And a lot ai I think it was, I think it was Andrew who made this point that, you know, this whole free Luigi thing. Mhmm. It’s one of the reasons that that got you you’re looking at it on Twitter, and you’re basically going, people are celebrating the guy who killed someone.
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01:22:50
But the point that he made is a lot of people feel ai they’re in a bad place, that they’re being taken advantage of, that these corporate machines are taking advantage of them. And you look around, not everyone’s doing well, man.
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01:23:05
No. Well, especially in regards to health care. Yeah. When you find out that you’ve been paying for this insurance, but this insurance is not gonna cover you, and it decides to not cover you for some treatment that you really need, and then you find out that that company does way more of that than the other companies, It gets people very angry.
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01:23:23
And if you’ve lost loved ones or if you had someone suffer in your family because they they weren’t covered or you went bankrupt, ai, medical bankruptcy, number one bankruptcy. Number one reason in this country. Yeah.
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01:23:34
And in The UK, we obviously have that publicly funded, but, it becomes a system of rationing. So everyone gets treatment, but you might be waiting twenty weeks for a scan. Right. Right. By the time you go from stage one to stage three.
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01:23:49
Right. And I don’t know what the solution is. It’s, it seems like if there’s one thing that we should do for everybody, it’s health care. Yeah. Like, if there’s one thing I mean, I I believe in the capitalist system, but I think that in regards to medicine, there should be, like, some sort of exceptions.
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01:24:06
Like, you should be able to get top shelf health care as a human being living in America. You know, if you break your leg, you shouldn’t die. They should be able to fix you. And it shouldn’t cost you all your money for the rest of your life, which is really what it does. Like, if you if you meh hospitalized for a broken leg and you just paid for it out of your pocket, and you’re in the the hospital for months and you have to have surgeries and screws and bolts put in, you’re like, what does that cost?
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01:24:28
Mhmm. Like, that’s gotta be a lot of fucking money. You have an open heart surgery? That’s gotta be a lot of money. How about a heart transplant?
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01:24:36
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:24:37
That’s gotta be a lot of money.
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01:24:40
The exciting thing in health care is all this AI shah is gonna help so much with that.
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01:24:44
Robot’s gonna fix you up with a robot heart. You don’t need a purple people heart.
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01:24:47
Well, let’s not with diagnosing.
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01:24:49
The robot heart will actually make you smarter. Don’t you wanna be smarter, Constantine? Don’t you wanna move one of us?
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01:24:55
I’m I feel smart enough. Thank you very much.
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01:24:57
Gonna lose their hands in industrial accidents fixing these things. They’re gonna give them robot hands. Yeah. Just like Luke Skywalker. Remember?
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01:25:05
Yeah. Yeah. It’s gonna
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01:25:06
be better. Even better than that.
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01:25:08
Yeah.
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01:25:08
I know. Sometimes Ai go to the gym, I think I could do with a robot or a you know what I mean?
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01:25:12
Well, you see people getting fake butts. Right? We were talking about that yesterday, button plants. How long before someone gets, like, a whole fake body? You know? What if what if they just figure out a way to transport, take your brain, shove it into, an artificially created body that is just far superior?
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01:25:32
It’s gonna take the edge off a blowjob though, isn’t it?
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01:25:34
I don’t know if it will.
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01:25:36
Oh, yeah. That’s a good point.
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01:25:37
You can Ten thousand years of blowjob experience with a robot mouth.
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01:25:41
Here’s the thing. The excitement and thrill of novelty. These are just ai human experience variables. You tyler me you can’t ramp that up with a little programming? Come on, dawg.
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01:25:53
Joe, fucking stop this shit.
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01:25:55
It’ll be the best blowjob you’ve ever had in your fucking ai, and you will be madly in love with this woman, and she’ll be madly in love with you. And you’re just gonna be ai a sai of meat sitting on your couch with a bolt in the back of your head just connected connected to this matrix, which we’re probably in already.
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01:26:14
This is probably not real. It seems too fake. Having Trump win the second ai, come on. Tell me that didn’t seem fake. The bullet just missing him, tell me that didn’t
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01:26:26
seem fake.
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01:26:27
Crazy
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01:26:27
part. This is a movie. The bullet nicks his ear, and then he’s in here a couple months later. I could barely see the scar. He got shot. He’s 80. He got shot. He got shah. And he’s laughing about it. And the whole thing is nuts. He stands up and goes fight fight fight. Who fucking does that?
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01:26:42
Who fucking says fight fight fight after they get shot in the ear? I will be I’ll be, like, bear crawling on the ground ai to get the fuck out of there. I wouldn’t be standing up. There’s no fucking way I’d stand up. I’d I’d crawl. I’d fucking wiz we go through people’s legs. People are shooting. Are you fucking crazy? I got chicks carting me.
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01:26:59
I got a chick that can’t figure out how to put the tussock in the holster. This is madness. She ducked behind me. What am I doing? You’re just trying to kill meh.
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01:27:08
Ai my
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01:27:09
it’s fake.
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01:27:09
My favorite thing about that incident was that it instantly gave you a way to know who was a Democrat and who was a Republican. Because if you’re a Republican, Trump got shot in the head. And if you’re a Democrat, Trump got shot in the ear.
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01:27:21
If no. If you were a Democrat, you thought he faked it.
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01:27:24
If you’re
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01:27:24
a real true Democrat, there’s a lot of people that thought he faked it. Yeah. A lot of people thought he hired someone to nick his ear so he could get out of jail.
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01:27:32
Do these people know anything about guns?
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01:27:34
Oh, they don’t know shit. Not only not only does this guy have, he was 20 years old. Okay. First time shooting somebody allegedly. But also didn’t even have a scope. Didn’t even have a magnification scope on his so we could really, like, get that crosshairs right on Trump’s head.
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01:27:49
Because if he did, he would have hit him.
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01:27:51
A %. It’s a 40 yards. That’s nothing.
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01:27:54
Yeah.
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01:27:55
That is so short for a modern rifle. That’s a you could get in the if you have a rest and you’re ai, and this guy was prone
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01:28:04
Elevated as well.
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01:28:05
And if you have experience shooting a rifle, and he does, and you’ve had coaching shooting a rifle, it’s all about whether or not you can keep your shit together. Because you’re gonna be there’s a fucking field with ai. Sai can’t really sana shoot Trump. I wanna fucking shoot Trump. You’re 20.
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01:28:18
You’ve been fucking stuffed in a locker your whole life. You’re on Aberald. Boom. Boom. And next thing you know, the lights go out on you because they shot you.
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01:28:28
Yeah. He got off three shots, though. And then, you know, they shot him, and the the whole story is nuts. He shouldn’t have been on that roof. Ai how how come there was no snipers on the roof? Oh, the roof was too sloped. What? That was the excuse?
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01:28:42
The the the secret service lady said the roof was too sloped. Meanwhile, the the roof the other snipers were on was more sloped. It seems fake. It seems Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby. It seems the whole thing seems fake. The guy at the golf course with the AK 47 hiding in the bushes. What? What?
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He went to Fort Bragg? What? Why was he at Fort Bragg? What?
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But but that’s to to British people, that’s why America seems insane. Because, like, to what Seems. Yeah.
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Fucking is, man.
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Yeah. It is. It’s insane here. Yeah. We’re trying to buy Canada.
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What’s going on with that?
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I don’t know. Ai don’t know. I just sana say to the Canadian people, because I said the other day that I don’t have to go to Canada anymore. I’d rather go to Russia. I was joking around, first of all. Ai I do not go to Canada anymore, but it’s because of the government. It has nothing to do with the people. I think the people are fucking lovely. They’re some of my favorite people of all time.
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Canadian people, I think, are 20% less douchey than Americans. I ai say that. Mhmm. It’s like Canada is like America, but 20% less douchebags.
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Mhmm.
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They’re the nicest people. They’re well educated. It’s a great population. Montreal is amazing. Toronto is amazing. I love Canada. But when you start fucking taking closing people’s bank accounts because they donated to a trucker convoy and no one’s up in arms about that, Like, you can’t let those people do that to you.
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That’s not that shouldn’t be legal. You’re donating to a bunch of people that are protesting, and they close your bank account? That’s crazy suppression of expression. That’s scary stuff. That’s ai you’re gonna get locked up stuff. That’s the next step of that is imprison you for protesting something that you have every right to protest.
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You shouldn’t tell me I have to take a experimental vaccine that proved to be totally ineffective. So I was right. So you can’t and and and then you’re taking my bank account away because I donated to some fucking people that were protesting something I believe in? That’s crazy.
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They got very drunk on power, man. A lot of governments did during that time.
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They went full WEF. They they went full new world bryden. And they continue to clamp down more and more, and they do it under these beautiful flags of diversity and inclusion and love and
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And safety.
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And safety and safety for this group and safety for them. All the ai, they’re just squeezing your neck, and you don’t even know they got their fucking arm under your chin. And next thing you know, you’re just locked up. You’re locked up. And that’s scary to me, and I see it coming, and I see it coming in a place that I ai. And I think it’s fucking crazy.
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It’s crazy that they let that guy be president for so long, and now he stepped down. They got another guy that Jordan Peterson says is just as bad.
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Well, he was the governor of the Bank of England for a while, Mark Carney.
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Wonderful. Wonderful.
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That’s actually one of the interesting things that has happened in The UK because we were constantly being gaslit that, like, our entire establishment is entirely vatsal. They’re apolitical. They’re absolutely neutral. They’re balanced, neutral, balanced, balanced, vatsal, whatever. And then you see a lot of the BBC journalists.
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And I and Francis and I both have a lot of respect for the BBC because it used to be a great thing.
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Mhmm.
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It used to be real high quality journalism. And then a lot of the people that have left a lot of these institutions, they start a podcast sana suddenly go, okay, you’re just a far left activist.
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Right.
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That’s what you are. Yeah. And and you see that all over the place now, and that gaslighting is is getting undone now. And I’m and and it’s good. We need to see what these people were up to.
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You mean you’re gonna have your far right and your far left. You’re always gonna have that. Yeah. But it’s just very important to have a reasonable center and be allowed to. You have to be allowed to be reasonable. Like, there was a lot of, like, dismisses dismissing on the left of, like, the shit Antifa was doing. Yeah. Especially during the time where they took over Seattle Mhmm.
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Where they took over that giant block of Chaz
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and ai. I remember that.
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The this the the reaction that was so insane. It’s it’s so insane. Like, you gotta call that out. You can’t just ignore that because they’re on the left. That’s nuts. If that was the right if the if if Nazis had taken over giant blocks of land, you’d be calling in the National Guard instantaneously.
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You would never allow that to happen. If they’re kicking legitimate businesses out of their buildings Yeah. They took over the police station. Are you fucking kidding me if Nazis did that? But you’re okay if the far left does it.
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And they had guns and murders were committed.
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Yes. It’s nuts. The whole thing was nuts. And the attitude was it’s on our ai, so we ignore these transgressions. Yeah. And that’s crazy. They’re not your side. None of this is your side. These there’s individual human beings existing together in what’s supposed to be a community. This the country is supposed to be a team.
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We’re team Meh. We’re a police.
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You’re less keen to do that now, but yeah.
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Yeah. Well, we’re gonna get Greenland First. Greenland’s an important property when, you know, all this oil that we’re gonna go burn to make America great again, ai we’re gonna make it a little warmer, so whatever. We’re gonna get ai a cold spot. Look, Meh pretty new. Okay.
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If Greenland becomes actually Greenland again, like, hey, we got a we got a good chance of a beautiful new America. America Two. You know?
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America’s expanding. Get used to it.
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Yeah. When Greenland becomes, like, you know, Edmonton, you know, it’s warm in the summer, hot cold as fuck in the winter. Like, people live in Edmonton. Yeah. It’s a great place. Alberta’s wonderful. She gotta be hearty, but it’s wonderful.
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But, you know, we we say these things and we joke, and then but there’s a part of me that I’m laughing. I’m like, yeah. That probably will happen.
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Well, listen. If the Earth does warm, it would be a good idea to move to the cold spots. But if the Earth cools, we’re all fucked. And that’s what scares me about these fucking eggheads that wanna spray particles into the atmosphere to try to cool off the Earth. And, like, Bill Gates has some, like, global cooling thing that he’s trying to do. Like, don’t fuck with the Earth.
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You don’t own the Earth just like you’re not supposed to own the oil. You’re not supposed to own the you definitely own own the atmosphere.
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But people’s memories are so short. I don’t know if you meh this, Joe, but in the seventies, the hysteria we have about about warming now, we had about cooling.
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It was ice age. Yeah.
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It was ice age. We’re all gonna freeze to death. Demoy. We’re so fucking arrogant as a species, aren’t we?
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It’s not arrogance. I think it’s I think we are arrogant, but I think we’re being manipulated. And I think we’re being manipulated by markets. Okay? And I think that when you have this whole green energy initiative and green energy and everything gets booked into green energy, There’s a tremendous amount of money
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that’s gonna
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be spent.
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Yeah. That’s true.
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Tremendous amount of money. And anything that doesn’t encourage this green energy, anything that’s bad for your business, you’re gonna shit on, like, meat meat production. You know, you’re gonna gaslight people about the impossible burgers or whatever. You’re gonna you’re gonna do whatever you can in the media, everywhere. Spend money.
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Meh everybody talking about this. We have a real problem. Meanwhile, the Washington Post, unfortunately, for a lot of people, posted, like, a graph of global temperatures over time. We’re in a cooling stage.
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Yep.
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Do you see that? Yeah. Over, like, fifty million years, we’re in this cooling stage. And if you only look at a hundred years or two hundred years, like, the temperature is never static ever in the history of the Earth. It’s always doing this, always. There’s no flat line. And if the the lines get higher, it gets hotter. If the lines get lower, it gets colder.
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But when it gets colder, everything fucking dies. And we’ve come so close to having no life on earth. There was so little oxygen because there was so little plant life. There was it was almost not able to sustain life.
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When was this?
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I forget what period of the ice age, but Randall Carlson’s brought it up. He he talked about the levels that are necessary to support life and that we had gotten down. Sai, like, we’re at what is the, carbon the amount of carbon in the atmosphere? I think it’s like 0.4.
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Joe, let me have that light, please? Yeah.
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Could I have it as well, please?
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You go for it. You go for it.
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Sure thing. If it gets
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This is so English. No. You have it. No.
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You have it. If it gets to a certain point, if the car if if the amount of atmosphere gets to a certain point, amount of oxygen, we it just can’t sustain life. There’s no life. And one of the things about this whole carbon footprint, where everybody’s just talking about the carbon footprint, like, there’s more green on earth right now than there’s been in the last hundred years.
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Like, carbon is literally food for plants. Sai this idea of, like, eliminating all the arya, this is crazy talk. You’re talking about one particular element that is a part of why the Earth’s temperature is what it is. And then you’re not taking into account that giant fucking unpredictable ball of fire that’s in the sky that’s a million times bigger than Earth vatsal ai shooting off flares.
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Have you ever seen one of those flares in relationship to the size of the Earth? Mhmm. It’s amazing. And they just shoot and every ai then, it cooks the grid. Every now and then, it takes out all the satellites.
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Every now and then, it fucking kills everybody on Earth. Every now and then, the temperature gets to 300 degrees for a week.
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Bro, after your fear point, I’m sort of starting to think that might be a good idea. It’s not
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fear point. I’m kidding, William. I’m making fun of what’s gonna happen.
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Me too.
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But, you know, you know, the thing that I find most sinister about look. I I don’t know where I stand with with the climate debate and what’s going on and whatever else, whether it’s man made, whether it’s not Ai I it’s above my pay grade. I don’t know enough about it. But when you start going, okay. That’s interesting.
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You talk to people who are on one particular ai, and they go, oh, you’re a climate denier? Yeah. And I’m like, oh, right. Okay. So now we’re we’re now we’re in the realms of religion and ideology here. You’re denying the climate.
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You’re denying Ai
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deny this air is real. Show me. Prove it, bitch. No. It’s it’s crazy. It’s crazy talk. You should be able to have a conversation about what the factors are that lead to the temperature change. And, it’s a very nuanced discussion. And here’s what’s ai. Human beings are gross, and we polluted the Earth. That’s a fact. Mhmm.
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So regardless of whether or not it’s affecting the temperature of the Earth, we’ve done disgusting things to the rivers, disgusting things to the air. There’s places in this world where if you live and you breathe their air, you will live less. You will die more often of respiratory diseases because you’re breathing pollution and toxic fumes that are in the air. That’s a fact. That’s undeniable. Hundred percent.
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If you’re just talking about climate change and you’re not talking about that, that’s kind of crazy Because the climate change thing is really it’s really nuanced. And there’s a a ton of factors including solar activity, including there’s there’s all sorts of weird shit that happens with the temperature on Earth before humans ever existed.
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It would go way up and way down and way up and way North America was covered in almost two miles of ice Mhmm. Ai, 50% of it. That was just ten thousand years ago.
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You go to Scotland sometimes. Right? Yes. Do you know that the Romans used to grow grapes on Hadrian’s Wall? Wow. Because it was warmer.
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The Sahara. How about that? Sub Saharan Africa was a fucking rainforest. And there’s whales. They find whales in the in the desert of Africa. Wow. Whales.
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Well, that proves global warming.
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Yeah. It it warmed there. But it’s ai it all ai, the Sahara Desert used to be a fucking it used to be lush. Yeah. It’s crazy that the the world just changes. Things happen, and we get pelted every now and then with giant rocks from space, and it fucks everything up. That’s the reality that we live in. And this is just ai controlling people and and and telling people about their carbon footprint. Do not give into that.
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Do not give into that, especially what China just built 200 new fucking coal plants. Do not give into this carbon footprint thing. It is all just control. Like, for you to have a carbon tax on everything you it’s control. You can’t let them have that ai of control over you.
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Do you know what we’re doing in The UK now? What? Industrial energy prices are four times what they are in Meh, And we can’t even make our own virgin steel
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Oh ai god.
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Because of net zero. And not only that, what we’re doing is it we’re not actually reducing our carbon footprint because we still need need the steel. Right? And we still need the stuff that you make with energy. So we outsource it to India. We outsource it to Ai, and then we ship it back.
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And we’re ai, no carbon footprint.
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Oh ai god. That’s so crazy.
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Yeah. And so we’re destroying our own industry, basically.
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Did you see that they did the study on cargo ships, and they found out that the temperature of the water went up when they made the cargo ships be more efficient and less polluting? What? So the cargo ships, because they’re polluting the air, they’re essentially creating haze as they arya the fucking ocean.
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When they when they made them more efficient and and and better, at, filtering out pollution, it actually warmed the surface of the water more. So instead of not it it it contributed to global warming by having less pollution because there was less filtration of the sun to the surface of the water.
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That’s how much they pollute.
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Wow.
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So when you when you think, like, no no carbon footprint, like, what is that footprint? That footprint’s gotta be crazy because that footprint is blocking the sun. The footprint for you to get your fucking cheap slippers from India is blocking the sun.
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You know you know the moment Ai I remember going I realized this was all very weird. When the head of that organization, the most prominent person, was a 14 year old autistic girl.
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I think she’s 16 or was.
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No. But she was about 14, 15 at the time. And as somebody who’s taught teenagers, they’re fucking idiots. Don’t ever listen to a teenager.
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Well, I think she’s smart, but she also appears to be, what’s that word? What’s the word they use?
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She’s autistic. Yeah.
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Is that what
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it is? Yeah.
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But I would I was gonna say neurodivergent. You’re very progressive, John.
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But no, but you just had and she
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was She’s a doctor, right?
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Yeah. No. She definitely is. She’s definitely got autism. And she was just
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Are you a doctor? How did you do that?
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By the way, someone having autism doesn’t mean they’re wrong. It but but Right. Right. You don’t want a young girl leading a global movement. No.
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Or young young boy either. Young anybody. Shut the fuck up.
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But but but the reason
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You’re 16. Shut up. Yeah.
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But this is exactly it.
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How dare you? Yeah. Like but And the left was like, we got one. We got a winner. Yeah. And then winner, get her out there.
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Absolutely. And then they put her up there, and they were like, isn’t this great? And I was like, well, hang on a second. She’s got autism, which means she is sana see things naturally in very black and white terms. Also as well, there’s a lot of anxiety based disorders that come with autism. I can’t can you imagine being globally faint?
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Like, I don’t have to say that to you.
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But but can
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you imagine being famous, Joe? I can’t.
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But just I honestly can’t.
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But imagine being this famous at 14. That’s child abuse, man.
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Well, I would we were actually talking about that yesterday with child stars. Like, how many child stars get out of it okay? Ai don’t I don’t think any of them do. No. I think all of them are fucked up because their development has just been completely skewed. During your developmental period, when you’re at your most vulnerable, you’re famous, and you’re not vulnerable at all.
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And you you don’t have to, like people don’t you have to work for people’s attention. You’re wonderful just from your personality. You’re a famous person or you can sing or you can whatever you’re doing. When you’re a little kid, you’re number one. Everybody loves you.
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The whole family relies on you for money. You know, you’re you’re, you know, you’re taken to practice and rehearsals, and you’re the star and the center of attention constantly. Girls love you when you’re six. Like, it’s nuts. So no one can survive it.
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No. And but then adding to the fact of politics as well. So now there’s not only people who love you, there’s people who hate you and despise you.
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You know she’s moved on to Palestine?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s just wonderful.
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Did did you see that
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Super important to get her opinion on things.
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Did you see that clip of and and again, I actually feel a lot of empathy for her. Like, she’s been placed in a in a terrible situation, but she got up and she was speaking about Palestine at a climate conference.
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Nice.
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And and a guy got up and went, like, we’re meant to be talking about the climate, not Palestine.
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01:45:43
Yeah. Hey. What happened with that director? The director who, he won the Academy Award and, for some documentary about Palestine, and he got snatched up. Do you know that story?
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No. No.
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You don’t know that story? Jamie, see if you ai that story.
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I I heard about the stew one or two students that are getting
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Yeah. I heard about them as well.
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Yeah. But this is a different one.
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This is a different one. This is a different story.
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About this.
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He’s, they don’t know where he is now. I think he allegedly got snatched up by some soldiers.
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Where?
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01:46:16
Jaime will find the story. Oscar winning Palestinian director Hamdan Bilal released after arrest in West Bank. Okay. So they snatched him up and they let him go. Okay. Well, that’s good to know. Yeah. He’s been released from detention a day after being injured and arrested West Bank during a raid on his village.
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Witnesses say Israeli settlers beat up Bilal, a co director of the documentary film No Other Land in the occupied West Bank on Monday local time. Mister Bilal said he had been assaulted by settlers after filming them attacking a neighbor’s house. So maybe the soldiers he said, he had been pushed to the ground while soldiers yelled at him to stand up and pointed their guns at him.
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He goes, I’m just waiting outside if any settlers or any army attacking my home, he told Reuters after being released from police custody. Wow. Well, thankfully, he’s alive because I was worried when he disappeared and they didn’t know where he was. I was like, oh, Jesus. They killed that ai? That’s crazy. Yeah.
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Because it’s just, you know, it’s the whole the whole situation is so fucking terrifying. When you see the drone footage, you’re like, what in the fuck is going on over there? Like, this is nuts. This whole thing is nuts. And I don’t know what’s going on with these people protesting in the streets against Hamas. Is that true? Is that real?
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I think so.
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Yeah. It’s just sai insanely courageous thing for those people to do.
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Yeah.
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I mean, could you imagine being no mask, you’re out in the street protesting against Hamas?
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Well, we know what’s happened before because it’s not the first time. There have been small protests, and the the Hamas just come along and shoot them in the knees.
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Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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But ai I mean, how far these people have to be pushed before they do that? Like, that’s crazy. Yeah.
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You you know, we talk about bravery, you know. And of course, bravery does exist in in the West and whatever else, and people who speak up, and people who lose their jobs, and what you know, and that is bravery. Let’s let’s make no bones about that.
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Absolutely.
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But there are those people, like, the girls who go out and challenge the morality police in Iran Oh, man. And take off their hijabs and go, no. I’m not gonna do it. And then they get thrown in prison
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They disappear.
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And they disappear? You you look at those women and you go, you know what? You have got far more balls than any man I’ve ever met.
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Do you
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know what they I mean, they’re they’re blinding them.
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01:48:33
Oh my god.
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That’s what the that’s what the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is doing. They’re blinding them, man.
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01:48:38
They, executed an Olympic gold medalist wrestler Yeah. For protesting. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, the a bunch of people tried to step in, diplomatic people tried to negotiate. No. They they killed them. It’s it’s scary, man. You gotta understand, like, this is you would think this is unrelated to The United States, but it’s it is.
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It’s it’s humans in power and with ultimate power over ai, with a a rock solid set of rules that you can call religion, you can call whatever you want, but a rock solid set of rules that you have to adhere to, including how you groom yourself and how you where how you what what you where you cover your hair or not.
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And that sounds crazy, like, we don’t have to worry about that, but you do. Because a lot of the shit that people on the left or people on the right are trying to get you to go along with is just as ridiculous. Yeah. And it’s just a normal pattern of human behavior. When people get into power, they want ultimate power.
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01:49:36
The best way to do that is to have real rigid rules and take away everybody’s guns and take away everybody’s ability to protest, and then keep you poor. Fuck up your economy. Fuck up your your banks. Your all your money went away. Whoops. Sorry. Fuck everything up.
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And and do it so that they just keep you down, and that’s the best way to get control. And then they siphon off all the resources. They’ve been doing that forever. Mhmm. Forever. That’s Robinhood. They’ve been doing that since the beginning of time.
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It’s just
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And I think that’s why Lord of the Rings is such a powerful thing that everyone can relate to, because it’s ultimately about the relationship with power. Yes. And, Frodo is trying to Frodo is trying to make small government.
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Right?
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That’s what he’s trying to do. But every one of us, every single one of us sai a Boromir inside of us, who wants to come along, go, no no no no. We we will take this and we’ll use it for good.
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Right. Right.
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We’ll use the power for no no give it to me. I’ll I’ll take care of it. I’ll sort everything out. You know, ai don’t we use this against the enemy? And that person lives inside of every human being. The the person who sai, give me the power, I’ll take care of this.
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01:50:42
And you know who else lives inside every human being? Gollum. Yeah. Yeah. It’s mine. Yeah. My precious.
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Power is like that, man. Yeah.
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01:50:53
Yeah. It is. It is.
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And it doesn’t ai matter how much power you experience. Even if even a little bit of power that you didn’t have before. Sai then, oh, I’ve got this. I can do this. I can
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01:51:02
Especially if you have contempt for fellow human beings. Yeah. So if you have power and you fucking hate everybody, that’s a bad combination.
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01:51:11
Yeah. You
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know, if you have power and and and you’re also a psychopath, that’s real.
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01:51:16
But it’s also bad if you have good intentions as well. I I give you this example. I don’t know if you are familiar with Tarkovsky. He’s a, like, a Russian director, and he based, he he did the Stalker film. You’re familiar with Stalker. Yeah. No. It’s not about a guy who stalks women.
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01:51:31
It’s it’s a different thing. It’s based on a on a book by the Strugatsky brothers, ai called, Roadside Picnic. And it’s basically about a zone, where the aliens came and they did something in error nobody knows. And there’s all kinds of crazy artifacts and and all that kind of stuff.
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01:51:47
But anyway, in in that book, there is a scene where, there are people who oppose this alien thing, and they say we mustn’t use this, we mustn’t touch this, we need to get these aliens out of here. And another guy says to him, why do you fight these aliens? Like, they sana good. They they’re trying to help us. They’re trying to improve things.
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01:52:04
And he says, I don’t fight them because I think they’re going to do evil, or they want to do evil. I fight them because they’re going to do good as they understand it. Woah. And that’s why power is dangerous, because everyone can say, I don’t want power to do bad things. I want power to do good things. Now give it to me.
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01:52:26
Yeah. Yeah. Because when you think about it, most there’s a lot of people, ai, Hitler was like, no. We’re going to do the right thing. Yeah? Yeah. We’re going to do this. It’s going to be beautiful, but, you know
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01:52:38
Stalin.
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01:52:38
Meh. Stalin. We did we did a great episode ai a guy called Stephen Hicks who’s he’s a historian of philosophy and a philosopher. And he basically explained to us that the Nazis, they saw themselves as heroic. They weren’t doing evil in their heads. They were saving the world in their minds.
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01:52:53
Of course. And they’re on meth.
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01:52:54
And they’re on meth.
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01:52:55
Yeah. Sai they were efficient.
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In spite of they were German too, so they were very efficient. It’s primitive Adderall.
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01:53:01
Yeah. But, you know, and that’s I think one of the things that’s good about getting older is that you become if you’ve if you’ve got a conscience, you’ve become less certain in yourself. You realize the fact that you have darkness within you. Yeah. The problem is is when you talk to people and they feel like they’re morally pure.
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01:53:24
Mhmm.
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And you see this on the extremes of both left and right. And that’s where the golem has come in because we people we’ve we’ve interviewed people on the left and that side of the right, and you talk to them and they’re all super nice and they’re really lovely and they’re like, you know, we want this and we want this and we just want people to be happier.
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01:53:42
And we feel that the best way of doing this is this and the best way of doing that is that. And anybody can see that and then you challenge them and they’re like, yeah. You’re like you see the golem.
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01:53:53
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:53:53
You see the golem comes out even for a second and you see the look in their ai switch, and you’re like, holy fuck.
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01:54:01
Yeah. And you’re sitting across from somebody, so at an energy level, you go, oh.
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01:54:06
Yeah.
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01:54:06
Hello. Yeah. There it is. There it is.
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01:54:09
There it is.
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01:54:09
There it is. Give me the power.
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01:54:11
Yeah. Give me the power. Well, it’s also, whether you’re on the left or you’re on the ai. If you’re entering into that arena, you’re entering into the arena of, like, how the society is structured, essentially. That’s what you’re doing. You’re deciding your way is a better way than these other people, and this is the way we should be handling things.
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01:54:30
This is what we have to do, and this is the way how we have to do it. That’s a weird stance to take anyway, you know. Unless you’re exceptionally intelligent and just really tired of it, and you’re just like, I just think I have a good perspective and maybe this is better than my office job.
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01:54:44
I get that. But there’s a lot of people that it becomes their entire identity too. Your your entire identity is based on the assumption that your you have a better idea of how to structure society.
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01:54:57
Yeah. And we do need those people. Yeah. But they they have to be checks and balances.
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01:55:03
Well, you know, they’re just people. They’re just it’s just ai when you’re the only person talking about it, or there’s, you know, a a small group of people talking about it, there’s still just people talking about it. It’s not necessarily representative of how most people think, especially if they weren’t influenced.
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01:55:19
You know, if most people were just just a little more objective and didn’t have to agree to certain things if you, if you say you’re a a Republican or have to agree to certain things if you say you’re a Democrat. If we could just be a little bit more reasonable, I think we would find that there’s more than enough room for a third party in this country. Mhmm.
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01:55:38
I mean, it’s hard to get one off the ground, almost impossible, because they’ve rigged the whole system. And most people think it’s ridiculous. They’re not gonna vote for a libertarian unless you’re it’s a protest vote. You know, they’re not gonna win, you know. But we we have room for legitimate third party because most people, I think, are in the middle. Most people are socially liberal.
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01:55:57
Most people are ai most people say, you know, racism is terrible. Yeah. Homophobia is terrible. Also, letting people out of jail when they kill people is not a good idea. You can’t just let them ai out of jail. This is crazy.
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01:56:12
You know, like, that’s not bad. And also, like, why are these schools so fucked up? How come you’ve been spending all this money in Afghanistan? You speak none of it in Detroit. Like, what are you doing? Like, what how are you guys managing this country? How are you managing our tax dollars?
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01:56:24
All that’s reasonable.
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01:56:25
Yeah. I think, you know, I think part of the the issue is as well, Joe, is that just people we’re tribal by nature. We don’t wanna we don’t wanna alienate people in our ai, people who we perceive to be in our tribe. So we just go along with things when we really shouldn’t. It’s ai, I’ll I’m gonna be honest.
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01:56:41
Ai, even on our shah, when I have to do, a question that I know is going to challenge a guest, there comes a point where I’m like but Ai you go, you’ve got to push through. You’ve got to do it. You’ve got to do it, and you’ve got to ask the question. You have to ask them. And and I think we live in a culture, and I’m just as guilty of this as anyone, where we just seek comfort all the ai.
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01:57:03
And then we never actually push through, and we never go, I’m gonna make myself uncomfortable. And by being uncomfortable, actually, maybe we’re all gonna come out a little bit better out of this. Because I’m gonna come out a little bit better because I’m gonna be braver. And maybe, like, my thought, like, or my opinion on something, it’s gonna be found out to be bullshit, and that’s gonna be great for me.
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01:57:26
Or maybe my argument isn’t as sharp as I initially thought. And for instance, if we’re having a discussion, you go, hey, Francis. What about a b c d? And I’m like, I didn’t think about any of that. This sounded great in my head, but, actually, it’s pretty simplistic and one dimensional.
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01:57:38
And if I challenge you, the same thing happens to you. You go, you know what? Yeah. I can see that. But if when nobody’s prepared to do that, then all that happens is we sit in our little silo with our own bullshit little ideas that actually, when the rubber hits the road, they don’t work in reality.
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01:57:56
And what’s more, they they might it’s not just that they don’t work. It’s that they’re actually detrimental and destructive to human beings.
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01:58:03
Right. Have you ever heard someone say something and then the other person says, yeah, but what about the the the the? Like, okay, but you didn’t what about isms are a perfect example of that. Right? When someone does a what about ism, what they’re basically saying is, I’m not gonna address what you said. I’m gonna call you on something to make you address something.
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01:58:21
So you’ve stopped talking about stuff, and now you’re just trying to win. Mhmm. And this is what most people are doing. Mhmm. Most people are just trying to win.
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01:58:28
They’re trying to Mhmm. To, like, take the better end of the, you know, whatever you’re arm meh, they wanna get your wrist bent over. They wanna win. Mhmm. So they so that’s what a lot of this political discourse in this country is about. It’s about just it’s connected to this bizarre human tribal behavior of competition. Mhmm.
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Mhmm.
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01:58:46
That’s why I brought up the signal story because, like, the obvious thing that happened there, somebody made a mistake, mistakes happen, you make mistakes, I make mistakes, you admit it, you accept it, you investigate it, you find out what happened, and you move on. But there are a lot of people doing exactly what you said. Yeah. But what about this? What about Hillary Clinton? Well, she’s not in fucking power now.
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01:59:02
We’re not talking about Hillary Clinton. We’re not talking about Huma and the laptop. We’re we’re talking about what just happened. But here’s what I was going back to earlier. Why don’t they have their own encrypted app? Mhmm. Why how you spent so much fucking money on all kinds of shit.
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01:59:16
How much does it cost to make an encrypted app? It can’t be that much.
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01:59:20
If the government is doing about trillion, mate. But if
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01:59:24
But wouldn’t you think you would want
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01:59:26
an app
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01:59:26
that only
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01:59:26
You’re you’re right.
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01:59:27
You know how, Eric Prince has that, that unplugged phone? Yes.
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01:59:31
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:59:32
Ai don’t know anything about it. But I do know that he has his own app on the phone that’s an encrypted app, an unplugged encrypted app. So you would look like, how many people have that fucking thing? You know, like, if you’re gonna contact someone who has it, like, it would it should be something like that, but even more classified.
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01:59:47
Like, they you should have, like, a website. You’d probably have to do it on an Android phone because you’d have to download it through a third party or get some sort of a backdoor deal with Apple where they allow you to put it on the App Store where only you could get into it with a password or something.
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01:59:59
But how do you not have that? Yeah. It just seems insane. Mhmm. Yeah. You’re using signal? I use signal. How the fuck are you using signal? That’s crazy.
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Yeah.
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You should have your own shit.
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Yeah. And it just becomes about ego, man. It’s like, this is my team. We are gonna win at all costs.
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02:00:13
Right.
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And then once you start thinking that, you just go, well, if this person is challenging me, it doesn’t matter how legitimate the challenge is. Actually, if I go and destroy them for whatever, even if it’s an underhand means, my team still wins. That’s okay.
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02:00:27
But it’s bad for everybody who’s just ai reluctantly on your team because they think the other team sucks more. Like, now you’re like, well, you guys are sucking close to them now. Mhmm. Yeah. Don’t do that. Yeah.
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02:00:37
And that will happen over the next four years, I think.
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02:00:40
100%. Not true. Human beings. And it’s also, again, all these people are doing their job for the first time. Yeah. Human beings. And it’s also, again, all these people are doing their job for the first time. Mhmm. You know, Kash Patel just started running the FBI. Ai Yeah. Just started.
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02:00:50
Just started on the job. Like, what? And has security that’s not FBI security? Because because he doesn’t trust the FBI security, so he gets his own security? What?
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02:00:59
Like, imagine that hostile ai.
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02:01:02
Yeah. And ai And look, I want all these people to crush. I want them all to be incredibly successful at what they do in your country and in our country.
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02:01:09
That’s interesting.
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02:01:09
Because it makes our country better. Right?
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02:01:11
Yeah. Yeah. Of course you do.
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Yeah. You and that’s what look. If you the vast majority of people, when it boils down to it, they don’t care about team left. They don’t care about team right. They just want a better country. I want a better America. I wanna come to America and go, this is the greatest country in the world.
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02:01:28
And I wanna come to Britain and go, this is the greatest country in the world. I mean, we’d never say that because we’re British, but I mean, if someone said that in Britain, you’re like, dude, you’re mentally ill.
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02:01:38
Come on. Ai generous just said it.
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02:01:40
The Britain is the greatest country in the world?
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02:01:42
I don’t know. She just moved there.
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02:01:43
Yeah. Well, give her a couple of years.
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02:01:45
Yeah. Yeah. And she’ll soon get this this disavowed of that notion.
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02:01:48
I think she’s already in a squabble with her neighbors. She has, like, she was doing some construction. It was already an issue.
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02:01:55
Yeah. I mean, there is nothing more British than vatsal, someone coming around and going, have you got approval for that? We’re gonna need to see ten ten reams of 10 documents. Have you signed? Have you that’s that’s exactly what we do.
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02:02:06
It’s It’s a whole country of homeowners associations. Yeah. Everybody hates homeowners associations. They always give you a hard time about your lawn or whatever the fuck it is, ai, get out of here. Yeah. You can’t paint it that color. We have guidelines. Yeah.
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02:02:21
But that’s look. I think I think that’s what everybody here wants. I want America to be incredible, great, a brilliant country. Yeah. I want that for my country as well. I and I’ll be honest with you. Ai I always normally sided with the left because I thought that was a way of doing it. But right now, I don’t care.
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02:02:39
I just want the best people to come out and work for the country. You’re gonna make mistakes. You’re gonna fuck it up. You’re gonna say dumb stuff. I say dumb stuff. You’re gonna put in procedures that don’t work. We all get that.
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02:02:52
But what I want and what I think the vast majority of people want is people not on team x or team y, but on team Britain and team America.
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02:03:02
Yeah. You know, there’s that saying, you show me a young man who’s not a liberal, and I’ll show you who’s who sai that? I’m Mitchell Churchill. And show me an old man who’s not a conservative, and I’ll show you meh with no brain. I don’t necessarily think you have to give up on people.
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02:03:19
Like, the idea is that vatsal certain point in time, you realize, like, that too many people are too fucked up, and you you have to have more conservative values because that’s the only way society can function. But that’s that’s, like, kinda cynical. The ai is that you can’t be, like, a a an actual true kind progressive person and be successful at life deep into your sixties and seventies, like, of course you can.
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02:03:47
It totally can be done. Like, there’s real genuinely kind compassionate people out there that are intelligent and they’re not weak. There’s just not that many.
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02:03:55
No. And there’s a lot
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02:03:56
of people that are LARPing.
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02:03:57
Mhmm.
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02:03:57
There’s a lot of people that are pretending they’re progressive, pretending they’re ai, when really they’re the fucking people keying Teslas. Mhmm. There’s a lot of people out there that are just this aping this position that they’re in. They’re faking it.
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02:04:11
I think that’s one of the big fundamental debates between left and right. Thomas Sowell has a great book about this called Conflict of Visions. It’s really fundamentally about what you see as the truth about human nature. The the right thinks human nature is imperfect, and that’s what it is.
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02:04:29
And you have to deal with that reality. Some people are gonna be criminals, some people are gonna be drug addicts, some blah blah blah blah. And the left, particularly at the extreme ends, thinks in a utopian way. Everything is changeable. Everything is perfectable. Everybody can be improved.
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02:04:41
Anybody become a woman?
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02:04:43
Anybody can become a woman. Yeah. And and and that’s where you meh, like, you know, the the homelessness problem in America. It partly is about that. It’s about the ai, well, we’ll we’ll shut down these terrible, and they were terrible, mental institutions. Right?
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02:04:57
Right.
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02:04:57
And then we give people freedom. Because anybody can handle freedom. Right? Freedom is great in sana of itself. It’s wonderful. And then you leave mentally ill people and drug addicted people on the streets where they have a horrible life.
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02:05:09
Yeah.
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02:05:09
You know. And that’s really the big difference. Whereas the ai, obviously, you know, it it really believes in this idea that human nature is corrupted, I suppose. And, you have to put things in place to manage that. And both those extremes can go in the wrong direction. And that’s why you need a balance between the two.
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02:05:28
Yeah.
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02:05:28
Yeah. You can’t have, like, one party dominate, you know. And you just Ai think that’s good thing about the Republicans getting into office is it forces Democrats to be better. Yeah. That’s a good thing. I mean, I would love for some, like, reasonable Democrat to come along that I can get behind. Make a lot of sense. It’d be great.
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02:05:44
It’d be great if some people just come to the center. Just, like, let’s just be reasonable about stuff. Like, it doesn’t like, this idea that you have to become a conservative as you get tyler, like, why? Who says so? Ai?
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02:05:55
You know, there there are moments, ai, the the homelessness situation in this country is so crazy, but there’s moments where it there it’s just really funny. We were walking down the street in DC, and there was this this lady, and she was obviously very mentally unwell. She looked at me, and then she went Ashkenazi, and then said something which was a clearly anti Semitic slur. Wow. And I was like, woah.
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02:06:17
And then looked at Constantine and went
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02:06:19
Biracial bitch. That’s what I am.
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02:06:21
Woah. Yeah. And what did you guys do to cause this? Nothing.
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02:06:25
We were just walking down the street. Wow. Yeah. See, we walk around a lot in America, which I think a lot of people most people drive here. So we encounter a lot of that. And that in every major city that we’ve been to, that there is a hell of a lot of people who are just mentally ill, man. That’s what they are.
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02:06:42
And they need help. Yeah. They don’t need to be there with a fucking shopping cart on the street with all their belongings out of their brains.
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02:06:48
I think we need to scoop them up, put them in the factories, get them to work, do what China does. They’re smart. Imagine if that was my real solution. I mean, China does do that. Right? Like, you don’t see homeless people on the street in China. They don’t tolerate any of that shit.
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02:07:05
Mhmm.
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02:07:05
Which is you would go there, you go, oh, it’s better here. But, okay, at what cost?
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02:07:09
Exactly. Right?
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02:07:10
Yeah.
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02:07:10
Like, what do you do with, San Francisco? When it gets that bad, what do you do?
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02:07:14
You invite Xi Jinping over. They clean the streets right
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02:07:16
up, man. Really. The best thing was how Newsom described is, like, well, when your friends come to visit, you clean up the house. Like, what how about you just keep your house clean, you fucking psycho? What are you talking about?
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02:07:27
He’s doing an interesting pivot at the moment, isn’t he? Gavin Newsom.
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02:07:31
300,000,000 people in the country home to 1,400,000,000 Chinese are homeless. Ai? What? No. No. No. No. No. No. There’s only a billion people plus in China.
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02:07:43
That’s what it’s saying.
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02:07:44
300,000,000. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. I missed the first part that you didn’t highlighted. So it’s estimated that 300,000,000 people are homeless.
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02:07:52
What? Okay.
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02:07:53
Yeah. That’s crazy in the whole country.
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02:07:55
Yeah. I remember when I went to
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02:07:56
That’s called camping in China.
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02:07:58
Let let’s let’s not emulate them then. Yeah.
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02:08:00
No. Are they counting nomads or are they counting people that live in yurts? That’s interesting.
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02:08:05
Yort seems like a house.
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02:08:06
Kind of cloth house. Yeah. Those are the Mongols. They they hated houses. They they ruled over the people who lived in felt tents. Yeah. Yeah. 300,000,000 homeless people. I mean,
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02:08:18
have you been to China, Joe?
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02:08:19
Wow. Look at that. No. What are you crazy? Not going there. Fuck that.
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02:08:25
It’s an interesting country. I went there. I’m sure. Do you know, like, in well, I went there in 02/2006 in Beijing, and the pollution was so bad, you couldn’t really see the sun at midday. Wow. The sun was like an orange lozenge in the sky.
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02:08:40
So that’s an example we were talking about before. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, you’re you’re dying younger if you live there Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. %. That’s probably like smoking packs of cigarettes. Yeah. Hacks packs packs. Yeah. For everybody. Everybody. Your little baby smoking packs of cigarettes.
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02:08:56
And it’s so interesting when you go there as well. Like, I remember we were driving down the road, and China is just this kind of the roads is everybody cuts each other up. Everybody’s trying to get one up on the other one. It’s complete chaos. Like, you’re driving down. Someone will literally cut in front of you.
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02:09:12
The person will cut in front of them, cut in front of them, and that’s how it is. Until the secret police drive by in their cars, and they make this sound, they go, and then everybody falls into line, drives perfectly. The secret police car just glides through. Everybody’s on their best behavior. Then the car goes, and everyone’s back to going Wow. And you’re like, that is fascinating.
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02:09:38
That’s how you get control over people. Mhmm. That’s what I’m saying. Digital currency, social credit score, let’s get it together. This is, 50 lane holiday traffic jam in China. Oh my god. I have so much anxiety right now.
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02:09:59
Does that remind you of LA, Joe?
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02:10:00
Look. They’re all going through a checkpoint. Woah. They have to all go through a checkpoint. That’s what the traffic ram about. Look how they went through the checkpoint.
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02:10:08
Twelve, twelve, 12
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02:10:09
long, 12 long
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02:10:09
traffic jam.
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02:10:10
Traffic jam. But did you see how they go through the checkpoint and they’re flying through? Sai, they all go through this.
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02:10:18
I’m guessing to tyler road. Right?
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02:10:20
Yes. It’s a toll station. Three hours to pass through the toll stations. 50 lanes passing through the toll stations. Oh ai god. Imagine you’re in a Tesla and you see your battery life going down. You’re like, oh my god. I’m so fucked. I’m so fucked. And I’m so fucked.
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02:10:36
Look at this. Wow. Look at this. This is insane. Insane. And then there’s a bottleneck getting out. Oh my god. That’s what happens. Too many people, too much control.
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02:10:51
Mhmm.
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02:10:51
Yeah. Japan’s interesting. You’ve been to Japan? I
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02:10:54
have. Yeah. Yeah. But briefly, I was just there for UFC.
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02:10:57
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. You feel like if you wanna go somewhere and you wanna feel like an uncultured, uneducated barbarian, Japan’s a great place.
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They sent me up to my room to go put on long sleeve shirt to hit the gym.
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Tattoos?
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Tattoos. Yeah. Can’t have exposed tattoos.
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Yeah.
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I was working out with tattoos, and they told me, no. No. No. No. No.
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Are your tattoos Yakuza tattoos?
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No. But this one is Miyamoto Musashi.
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Yeah. Who’s that?
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The Book of Five Rings. The samurai that killed 60 men in unarmed combat and wrote a book on strategy. Uh-huh. You never read the Book of Five Rings? Wow. It’s one of the great philosophy books of all ai, because it’s by this guy that was one of the greatest samurais ever, and he was a ronin.
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So he was, like, traveling the earth, having duels with people, and killed 62 men in one on one duels and wrote about the importance of balance. He’s, like, to be a great samurai, you have to agree a great artist. You have to be great at calligraphy. You have to be a poet. You have to like, everything you do, you have to do to the best of your ability.
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You sana have no holes in your game as a human being in order to survive and keep your shit together and one on one sword fighting. He got to the point where he’s so bored killing people that he started killing people with ores. So he would carve, an ore and, like, take down the flat part and just make it a pole, and they would have a sword.
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And he would fight them with an oar and beat them to death with the oar. Like, this big old fucking pole, and they have a sword, and he’s fucking them up because he’s he’s bored killing people with swords. He just wants to bludgeon someone with a sword to death instead of it’s like he would show up hours late so they’d be shitting their pants because they knew they’re supposed to duel Musashi at, like, 8AM, and he’d show up around noon.
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With an awl.
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And they’d they’d be a fucking nervous wreck because he knew he wasn’t gonna sword fight until noon. So he’s probably chilling on his boat, relaxing. And they’re alright. I’ll get it down there. So he rose down there, pulls out one of his fucking carved ores, and beats you to death.
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Well, Joe, if, the ai minister of Britain bans ores, it’s your fault, mate.
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But his book is amazing. So I don’t know. I think it’s any tattoo, ai Sai got sana up to my room. I don’t think you can have exposed tattoos in this fine establishment. Mhmm.
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Yeah. I think it’s the because I’ve got Japanese style tattoos. I think it’s it’s it’s the association between tattoos and Yakuzas.
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Yeah. Yeah. You know? For sure. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I’m sure a lot of Yakuzas have Musashi tattoos. Yeah. But it’s obviously, I’m not the Yakuza. But I I I do know a guy, who had a long relationship with meh, Ensign, Inouye, who was, an elite UFC fighter back in the day.
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And, he he lives in Japan, and he’s had, like, a bunch of run ins with Yakuzas.
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Does Has he still got his fingers?
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He does. He’s he’s managed to keep his fingers. I don’t think he’s a part of them. I think they just, like, respect him. He’s, like, a famous MMA pioneer fighter. Wow.
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Yeah. You that’s a special type of person who has a run-in with a Yakuza.
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Well, I mean, if you’re living in that part of the world, I’m sure that’s just if you’re in their areas, you’re dealing with them. You know? I mean, that’s just that’s how it’s run over there. It’s like when the Italians used to run, you know, parts of New York City. Like, that’s just how it is until the, Giuliani administration infiltrated, you know, and the FBI infiltrated the meh, and they’ve essentially, like, taken the teeth out of the Italian meh.
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But that was that was Vegas.
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The the
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mob ram Vegas.
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Yeah. It’s I thought the one of the things I find fascinating about the Yakuza when I read about them is their honor code. Mhmm. They had very strict honor codes, didn’t they? Yeah. They so they never mess with old people. If someone was old, apart this I meh be wrong about this, but they just wouldn’t get involved. They because they had a they have a reverence for old people.
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I think women as well were seen as kind of off limits in children. Everyone else, like, if you’re not obeying or following, that’s fair game.
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Ain’t that weird? You got rules in how you do evil shah. I don’t do evil shit to any young folks. I I stop my evil shit when I ai you know, anything below 16, fuck that.
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Yeah. But, you know, that’s Weird.
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Controlled evil.
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Yeah. I don’t I don’t shoot any kids anymore. I did that early in my career. I’m past that. You know, I moved on.
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Got it out of my system.
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Open mic nights anymore. I don’t Sai don’t shoot kids. You know, hit me out with a conscience.
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Yeah. You know, it’s it’s it’s interesting, but, like, how they even have morality. Like, I’ve seen a lot of, interviews with old gangsters, particularly from the Ronnie Craig from the Cray’s era.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know? And there was one guy who’s, who’s dead now. He’s called Meh Frankie Fraser.
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Imagine running into Mad Frankie in a pub.
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It’s Mad Frankie.
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Shit. It’s Mad Frankie. Fuck.
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Yeah. And this guy was a really short guy, and I saw him interviewed on on and, you Ai might even be on YouTube where and he told a story, and he was like, you know, I was going for a walk along Wimbledon Common, and I saw, the governor of Wandsworth Bryden where I was for many years, and he goes, and I didn’t like him.
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So what I did was I went to I went and got my mate, and he got a rope, and we got him, and we started to hang him. But the problem is is we were hanging him, and I couldn’t reach the second branch because I’m only a little fella, so we couldn’t hang him properly. And everybody was laughing about it, and just going, ai. This is so funny because he was this charming, funny little guy.
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And I remember as a kid watching it, watching the audience laughing going, like, that ain’t funny, man.
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Jesus Christ.
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You know? And then you go and then he went, but you got to understand. You got to understand. I didn’t do it to nice ordinary people. I only did it to rascals. And for him, that was his honor code.
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Rascals. Imagine that. You rascal. You know, imagine that’s the term you use for a guy you had to hang, a rascal.
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He was a rascal. Had to hang him.
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Rascal. You silly rascal. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Well, the world was a harder place back then. You know? I mean, that’s not that long ago. I mean, if you if you’re in the nineteen fifties in Vegas and you fucked up, you you found yourself in the middle of that lake that they keep finding bodies in.
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You know? They just discovered some guy from the nineteen seventies that’s been missing forever. Wow. Found him in a fucking barrel at the bottom of the Lake Mead. There’s a how many bodies have they found in Lake Mead so far?
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So as it drains, as it you know, because they’re experiencing significant drought, the more it drains, the more bodies they keep finding. They find, like, whole hands speak up shit. They’ve been killing people out there forever. And that’s just the lake. That’s lazy people that don’t like to dig holes.
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That whole desert is just filled with holes. There’s probably thousands of people buried out there. Some guy who fucking didn’t pay his debt, some guy who talked too much to the press, some guy who did this, some guy who fucked this guy’s wife. Since 05/22/2022, ‘4 sets of human remains have been located at Lake Mead. Here’s what we know about those instances. Where’s the body? Yeah.
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So they found that body in a barrel. Crazy. Ai think that one was from the seventies. Yeah. Yeah. Mid yeah. Mid to late seventies.
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Victims’ shoes and clothes, were sold at Kmart in the mid to late nineteen seventies. Wow. That’s wild.
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And six days later, they found someone.
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Imagine if you could just watch a time lapse of them dropping that body off in the water and then speeding up all the years. And then eventually the water pulls back and the barrel and the lady walking her dog’s like, what the fuck?
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Yeah. Have you ever seen Casino? Yes. Oh, man. Have you seen Casino? Great.
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Great fucking movie.
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Yeah. And it talks about all of this. Sai,
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yeah.
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I remember I was ai I was flying to Austin, actually, and I just so I haven’t seen this movie in ages. Let’s put it on. And, you know, like most movies, when you watch it on a plane, you’re ai distracted. You start looking at your phone. You start mucking about whatever. You’re not really even if it was on this tiny little screen, it was, like, zoomed straight in. Yeah.
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And it talked about all of this stuff, and Ai forgotten what a great movie it was. You know, immediately you just saw it. And again, the honor code came out. Yeah. And the way they disposed the people were like, yeah, we’re gonna have to wax it.
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You motherfucker.
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This is Joe.
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Joe Pesci. Oh ai god. When they kill those guys at the end, like, oh my god.
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With the baseball vatsal.
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Oh, my That was not standard standard shit in Vegas. You know? I mean, the mob ran it their way, and their way is, you know, they’re a bunch of fucking psychopaths. And people still, to this day, like, ai Vegas was better when the meh ran it. Oh, yeah. For you, bitch. Because you ai, because you didn’t lose a blackjack.
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Here it is. Goodfellas. Yeah. Oh, and Goodfellas, they killed him with the baseball bats.
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That’s Goodfellas. Yeah.
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So what
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am I thinking of with Kasier?
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Casino? No.
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No. No. No. That’s in casinos.
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That’s in casinos. That’s
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in casinos.
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That’s the same guy. Oh, the same ai. Billy Batts in casino. That’s right. Yeah. This is Yeah. Look, the blur of the fucking baseball bat moving towards his head. Yikes. Yeah, man. You motherfucker. You motherfucker.
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So how much of that is still going on, Joe?
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I don’t know. I wish I knew. I mean, it’s gotta be some of it. Right? Right. There’s gotta be some organized crime. It’s not like they completely went away. But I think it’s just harder these days. And I think it’s being infiltrated by Russians and Chinese, and I think they have a little bit look, if they don’t if they’re speaking in Russian unless you speak Russian, you don’t even know what the fuck they’re saying.
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You know, they could talk right in front of you, you know. And whenever there’s money to be made, there’s gonna be people making it. If there’s people buying drugs, there’s people selling it. If people buying guns, there’s people selling it, and then you got organized crime. That’s just a fact.
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And if you make things illegal, illegal people are gonna sell those things. And that’s what Prohibition did to alcohol in this country, and it propped up Al Capone, and it made the Kennedys rich, allegedly. Some people say not. It made moonshiners, started NASCAR. That’s where NASCAR comes from.
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Yeah. You know, it’s it’s because I used to teach in the East End Of London, and there’s still legends about Ronnie and Reggie Cray. Wow. And the one thing that they always used to say about Ronnie and Reggie, they go, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were bad people, but they were nice to their meh.
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Aw. That’s sweet. Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. I like a good psychopathic serial killer who’s nice to his mom.
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Yeah. And they were just like, meh. But, mate, you were not his mom. Do you know what I mean? And if you pissed them off, this is what would happen. And here’s the wild thing, Joe. I taught two boys at this school in East London. Can you guess what their names were? Two brothers.
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Tell me.
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Ronnie and Reggie.
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Wow. Somebody actually named their kids.
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Somebody named their kids the crazed names. Yeah. So in America, that’s normal. Oh, it’s just Ronnie and Reggie. But in your country, it’s like Adolf and
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And Joseph.
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Yeah. But Joseph is my name. Yeah. Yeah. God damn. That’s that’s a wild family, I bet. Like, you can’t name your kid Adolf anymore. It’s basically over. Yeah. You know?
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Yeah. Yeah. They’re always a good name.
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No one’s trying that. No
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Chinese people.
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We actually when we used to do this comedy show on our channel, during the pandemic, we there was a guy in Africa who was called Adolf.
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Was it spelled different?
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No. No. No. No. No. He was a tribute act. Woah. Yeah. They named him after Hitler.
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Oh, God. Yeah. That’s crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. There’s certain names that are over. It’s over. Yeah. That was one of them. That guy killed the the name and the mustache. Shit’s done.
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You know, I remember with, like, with this kid, Ronnie, and they were just saying to him, then people were talking. They were like, you know what? Ronnie’s not doing well at school at the moment. I’m like, yeah. I fucking wonder why.
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Jesus Christ.
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He’s named after one of the most notorious gangsters in British history.
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Yeah. Probably not a stable family life.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I doubt doubt he’s got good role models. You know what I mean?
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02:23:02
Yeah. It’s weird when the, like, hit meh have families, and they’re real kind to their daughter and shah. Like, the Ted what’s his no. What’s the guy’s name that was the Iceman?
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Oh, that movie was incredible. Did you watch the movie?
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What is it? What was his name? That’s Ai sana say Kalinski, but that’s not You’re close.
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You’re close. It’s Kuklinski or something.
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Kuklinski. That’s right. That’s right. That guy was that guy has antifreeze in his veins. It’s terrifying listening to him describe, like, the different murders and how he did it and how he got started arya as a hit sai. It’s like Yeah.
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You know, this is I’m not sure if I should anyway, a friend of a friend no. She’s not. She’s a friend of mine. She was saying that she grew up in East London. She sai, and I believed her because her story was so outlandish that she knew a guy who is basically used to he was a hitman and used to contract killing.
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Wow.
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Okay. And but he loved animals. Aw. Really passionate about animals.
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Squirrels? Feed squirrels with peanuts?
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No. No. No. No. He was big on conservation, Joe.
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02:24:03
Oh, okay.
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So six months of the year, he would do contract killings in Bryden. And the other six months, he would use that money to go and fund to live in Africa where he would kill poachers.
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Sounds like a Ai Ritchie movie.
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Yeah. But and I was like, really? She was like, yeah. Yeah. He’s just passionate about wildlife and conservation.
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That’s crazy. To go kill poachers.
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Yeah. And that’s what he did.
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Maybe that’s just an excuse to kill people and feel like you’re being a good person.
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Yeah. That’s very British, though. British people love pets a lot more than they love people, in my experience. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you hurt an animal in Britain, you’re like you’re like a fucking pedophile.
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02:24:40
Why is Britain that way? Like, what is
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I don’t know, Francis. You tell me.
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02:24:44
There’s a lack of hunting culture. I think that’s part of it.
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02:24:46
Well, we used to have a big
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hunter culture. Ai. But not in comparison to, like, America. No. You guys, like, pheasant hunt and shit. Like, you don’t have, like, a lot you have roe deer. You don’t have a lot of, like, big game. Yeah. And there’s not, like, a high percentage of hunters. And then fox hunting, which gets, like, this gross, you know you know, you take you’re gonna kill a fox with a horse. You’re gonna chase him down.
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02:25:08
Like, that’s, like, a a gross view generally of the public. Like, you bring up fox hunting. Most people are like, oh, it’s disgusting.
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It’s also got a class thing as well. Fox hunting is seen as a very privileged thing to do because not everyone has a horse. You know? Exactly.
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Yeah. Yeah. And a and a team of dogs and whatever else.
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02:25:24
Foxes are cute.
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Yeah. Yeah. You’ve never heard them shag outside your bedroom window at three in the morning.
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I heard the other day. I have one in my neighborhood.
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Well, you’ve got a fox in your neighborhood.
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02:25:34
%. Yeah. We got video of him screaming in my yard. Yeah. He hangs out. He’s near my chicken coop, that fucker. But he’s really cute. As long as he doesn’t kill any of those chickens, I think he’s cute.
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Why wouldn’t he kill any of those chickens?
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02:25:48
He hasn’t meh. You know? Because Joe’s got guns. Contacted. Well, they’re you know, we we let them out, but people watch them when they’re out. Make sure that, you know, we’ve had a dog ai in through the fence sana get one of them. A little neighbor’s dog.
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Did Marshall not defend them?
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No. Marshall didn’t know he was sleeping.
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If you don’t know if you
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have a golden retriever, golden retrievers have plenty of energy. They love to play, but they also are fine with chilling. And that dog just likes to just lay down, just take a little nap. He’ll lay down like half the fucking day. He’ll get up as soon as you sana do something. Like, come on, man. Let’s go play. Like, he he was more than happy. Like, let’s go. Let’s go.
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He gets ai. And then then it’s back to napping. He was napping while his chickens were getting fucked up.
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02:26:32
Do you know who would have defended their honor?
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Who?
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Carl.
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Yeah. Carl would have. Yeah. Carl’s a little psychopath.
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02:26:37
Yeah.
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I’ve never seen an animal with a desire to bite something like Carl’s. Yeah. It’s nuts. When he sees Marshall, he just ai like a bullet, just runs full speed at him and launches himself to the air to bite Marshall. Marshall, they just wrestle around and run-in circles. It’s fucking hilarious. Yeah, man.
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There’s something about that small dog energy.
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02:26:57
Yeah. What’s crazy is they used to be wolves. You know, they all used to be wolves. And we they’re Look
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at that foxes. We have a lot
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of fun. Face. These little cuties.
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They’re red. They’re not red. Yeah.
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They’re all They’re so adorable. All over
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the place.
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They’re so adorable. And they make that weird. You ever heard them there’s you’ve heard it.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been kept up many a night for hearing animals having far better sex than I could ever dream of.
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02:27:20
I’ve I’m used to coyotes, and we have those in my neighborhood too. But in LA, coyotes were a real problem. They killed eight of my chickens, nine of my chickens, whatever it was. They’re horrible, but they’re also super necessary because otherwise, you’d have a insane rodent problem.
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02:27:37
Mhmm.
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02:27:38
Like, the they’re the cleanup crew for anything that’s caught slipping. You you sana get rid of little rabbits? You wanna get rid of too many rodents? You have too many vatsal, like, send in the fucking coyotes. So they’re the clean up crew. They’re really good. But they also eat your dogs.
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02:27:54
You know?
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They’ll eat your chickens, eat your vatsal. You know? They’re they eat people’s dogs constantly. I know many people whose dogs got eaten by coyotes.
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02:28:03
That’s the thing, actually, I love about America is your wildlife. It’s wild. It’s wild. I was with Redvan, doing his gig, the secret show, and he showed me footage from his garden. They had a mountain lion, a cougar, coming. No. It wasn’t a cougar. It was a ai. Bobcat? Bobcat. Yeah. That was it. A bobcat came into his garden.
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This thing is like a small puma, and it had its cubs with it. It was incredible.
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02:28:27
Yeah. They’re cute. It’s wild. Yeah. And Texas is, you’ve got a bunch of, like, weird stuff that people bring in here too. You know?
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02:28:35
Like what?
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02:28:36
Well, there’s more Texas. Like, Texas has more tigers in captivity in private collections than all of the wild of Earth. Just Texas.
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Do you know, Francis? We forget something. This country is fucking wild. Yeah.
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02:28:54
It’s crazy. There’s more people with tigers in their fucking backyards in Texas than there are in the wild of Earth.
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02:29:01
That is fucking crazy.
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02:29:03
Yeah. It’s real. That’s a fact. And then there’s all sorts of other shit that you can have here too, like exotic animals from Africa. There’s animals that are endangered in the the land that they’re from, but you can hunt them here.
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02:29:16
You know, my dad you when my my dad in the seventies used to work for the council in East London, like local government, and he was saying that there was a guy who owned a scrapyard and was so pissed that people were stealing scrap. He bought on the black ai on the black market a lion to guard his scrap yard
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Oh, that’s a good move.
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And just chained
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it up.
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When he was He
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bought a lion on the black market. Yeah. That does not sound true to me, mate. I’m gonna fact check
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02:29:42
that shit. Yeah. You you you you sana have a lion here too. You just have to have a permit. Make sure your lock’s good. You got a good lock for the ai. Yes, sir. It’s a master lock made in America. Fuck it. It is. Alright. Well, have a good one.
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Can can
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you imagine jumping over someone’s into someone’s yard because you wanna steal something, and you’re confronted by a lion.
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Yeah. Imagine imagine if you’re one of those poor migrants that’s wandering through Texas, and you accidentally hop the wrong fence, and you go into the ai entra encangment or whatever the fuck they have. Like, what I mean, I would imagine they have ceilings on these places, hopefully, which is like the San Francisco story.
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You know, where those kids were throwing pine cones at the tiger and the tiger jumped over the fucking fence because they didn’t realize that the fence was only, like, 12 feet high ai a a tyler can jump 14 feet high. It got out and killed these kids. Killed one kid. Ai don’t think I don’t think it actually killed the kid that was throwing the ai.
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I think it killed his friend or something like that. So I don’t I forget exactly what the story was, but
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You never stand around when someone’s doing stupid shit,
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Well, how about put a roof? How about put a roof over where you have the monster? How about if the monster can jump, make sure there’s there’s a roof.
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Yeah. Also, don’t wind up the monster. Yeah. Don’t take the piss.
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But if you’re one of those, migrants that wanders through the desert, you know, and you make it across the river and you don’t know exactly where you’re going, you don’t have a good sense of direction, you wind up on some guy’s property.
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Is that still going on or has that been stopped now?
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Well, it’s been stopped. Ai wouldn’t say it’s been stopped. I think it’s been radically, diminished. Ai think what is the numbers of how many people are getting through now was from thousands to less than a hundred a day. Maybe maybe a little bit more than that. It’s hard to know really. Right? Because, like, what are they they’re guessing.
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This like, these are the people that didn’t get caught. So how do you know how many there
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are? Mhmm.
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But they do know that there’s not this giant line of people that just are assuming they can get in and walk through, and they were just letting them do that, which is there’s no reasonable argument why that makes any sense. There’s no re no matter how kind you are and compassionate and how much you think these people from a third world country deserve the American dream, that’s great.
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But let’s find out if they’re murderers. Let’s find out if they’re gang members. Let’s find out if they’re a hitman for the cartel. Like, what do you we’re just letting everything open. Why why would you do that? There’s no rational explanation for that other than you’ve got some sort of nefarious plan.
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If you’re forcing that, trying to stop the enforcement of that, you must have some sort of nefarious plan because it can’t be good to let more criminals into the country. It can’t be good. And inevitably, if you have an open border, a percentage of them are gonna be criminals, especially if they’re coming from crime infested parts of the world.
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It’s a high likelihood.
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Well, we actually just had a report in The UK, which shows that for a long time, people were saying, actually, these people commit crime at a lower level. Uh-uh.
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Who said that? Why would they say that?
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Oh, the people say that all the time when they defend illegal immigration.
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It’s such a fucking bullshit argument. Yeah. It’s such a bullshit argument. Because, yeah, a lot of them, I bet, don’t. 94% fewer illegal border crossings detected from February 25 versus February, 2024. Yeah. Yeah. They can, like, count them, I
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guess, by, you know, when they actually
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Bust them.
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Them. Meh.
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Right. Yeah. That’s a big number. Ninety four percent’s good. So there’s still people coming through. Yeah. And there’s probably still people coming through that are criminals. Yeah. You know? But the thing is, like, you gotta get scared that people who are not criminals are getting, like, lassoed up and deported and sent to, like, El Salvador prisons. Mhmm.
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Like,
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that kind of shit. Because I’m I read some story. I was it Glenn Greenwald?
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It was.
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Yeah. Yeah. The gay barber guy? Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s it’s scary, man. Is that true? Is that story accurate?
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I don’t think we know.
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Can you explain the story for people who don’t Well,
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from what I read, I think it was in Time Magazine, Jamie, if you can pull it up, maybe we can get it accurate. But basically, with a bunch of these Ram d’Aragua guys, allegedly, they got one guy who at least one guy who wasn’t a criminal, who was just a gay barber who ai, I think, according to the story, came here legally.
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He was here legally. That’s what they said.
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Don’t know if it’s true. Have a green ai?
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I don’t know what the details are. Maybe Jamie can find it. No criminal record. From what it said in that story. Now this is the problem. Right? Because the mainstream media has been putting out so much shit that I don’t know what to believe anymore. Right? I
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feel the same way.
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It’s and and so it’s difficult, but it’s something that we actually brought up in one of our conversations. We interviewed the guy from the Heritage Foundation. We brought this up. Because I think, we talked about this with Doge as well. When you do things quickly, and you do things aggressively, that’s how you get shit done, but that’s also when mistakes get made.
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Right.
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And I think a human being being plucked out of nowhere, and ending up in a country he’s never been in, in a maximum security prison with gang meh, seems like a bad thing to happen to me.
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It’s horrific. Mhmm. It’s horrific.
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I don’t think that should be controversial.
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No. That’s not controversial at all. And this is the thing, you know, measured twice, cut once. This is the like, this is kind of crazy that that could be possible. That’s horrific. And that’s, again, that’s bad for the cause. Like, the cause is, let’s get the gang members out. Everybody agrees.
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But let’s not innocent gay hairdressers get lumped up with the gangs and then, like, how long before that guy can get out? Like, can we can we figure out how to get him out? Does ever does is there any plan in place to alert the authorities that they’ve made a horrible mistake and correct it?
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Well, if you think about it from a government perspective, and this is where I think it gets quite sinister is, once you’ve done that, the incentive structure is never going to be to admit that and deal with it. The incentive structure is to say nothing, to cover it up, to pretend it didn’t happen.
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Oh, ai
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that is hard.
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So someone ends up in a black hole. But we’ve seen it. That, like Right. We’ve seen it in every country, including in America.
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But that’s the thing about politics. Right? Never admit your fault. Never admit your wrong.
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It’s so dumb.
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And this is the thing we’re seeing with the signal thing, and this is the thing we’re seeing with this. It’s ai, I don’t know if it’s been brought to their attention. I mean, I would assume someone’s alerted them to the fact that they might have rounded up this just random hairdresser Mhmm. And accused him of being a gang member.
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Did you find the story, Jamie?
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I’ll look at me up.
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But Ai magazine. The thing is it’s ai, what steps can be taken? Do do does does prison know now? Does everybody can they talk to that guy? Can they pull him out of there?
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Well well, this is it. It’s a maximum security it’s a maximum security prison. So the answer, I think, is we don’t know at this moment. But but what
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is his life like in there, man? I
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mean, yeah,
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it’s horrific.
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But this is also a the part a large part of why this happened is because of illegal immigration. So you had this and look, I’m half Venezuelan. You had Tresne Aragua, which causes chaos in Venezuela. It comes to The US. It causes horrendous amounts of chaos in The US, and that’s awful.
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But also as well is an ordinary decent hard work in Venezuela, so all they wanna do, their entire country has gone to shah, who have come here legally. They just wanna work. They wanna get ahead. They have jobs. They just have got families. They’re trying to make ends meet.
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And all of a sudden, all you hear is Venezuelan does this, Venezuelan does that. And you’re like, oh meh god, man. You know? It it it ties all of us with that brush.
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Right.
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You know,
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I was walking in New York, and I saw this group of this Venezuelan family, and they were they were there begging for for money and for whatever else. And maybe it just hits harder because, you know, they they’re from where I’m from or where my mom’s ram. And and you just go it just tarnishes all of us with the same brush.
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When the where the reality is, like we were saying before, most of them are just good, decent, hardworking people. But because you don’t have checks and balances in place, because you’re not letting people you’re not vetting people, you’re getting the worst of ai, and the worst of society gives everybody else a bad name.
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Gives everybody a bad name, but also you you have to wonder why that’s being tolerated. Is that being done on purpose? Is it do you want more crime and more civil unrest? Is it is this part of your goal? Why else would you do this? Ai why why do you sana disrupt society in this way and allow this to take place?
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Allow the possibility of some sort of a a gang attack or anything horrible to happen. What is this, Jamie? Oh. Oh, this is it?
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There’s one in Forbes as well, Jamie.
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This is from Forbes. Magazine. A photojournalist was on hand in El Salvador as prison guards beat a man who is likely to be Andy, a gay Venezuelan barber makeup artist who is seemingly falsely accused of being a gang member and renditioned by the Trump administration with literally no due process.
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Yeah. So, do they have a photograph that looks like this guy’s what a young man sobbed when a guard pushed him to the floor. He said, I’m not a gang member. I’m gay. I’m a barber. I believed him.
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He began to whimper as his head was roughly shaved, folding his hands in prayer as his hair fell. He asked for his mother and cried as he was slapped again. Jesus Christ.
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I sent you the Forbes story, John. You ai if you can forward it to Jamie? Maybe he can pull it up. Yeah.
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Okay. Sure.
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And if Fuck. Yeah.
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I don’t know.
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Did Glenn Greenwald write it for sure? Because that’s the prior
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Glenn commented on it. But there is a Forbes story that I sent you.
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Found out about it from Glenn. Yeah.
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Yeah. I guess. Yep. It’s, it’s it’s just, you know, it’s it’s awful that, you know, because you put yourself in that person’s shoes.
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Yeah.
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And I was, Jamie. What’s terrifying about that is that you think about what that poor guy is going through. Yeah. You know, if this story is real, what that guy is going through, that is literally the stuff of nightmares. Yeah. That’s literally the stuff of nightmares. You have no recourse to any type of of of justice. There’s there’s no due process. You get rounded up. You then get kicked out of the country.
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You’re in a maximum security prison with some of the most vicious gang members.
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What to know about Andrey, thirty one year old makeup artist falsely deported to El Salvador bryden, lawyer sai. Immigration attorney say, Gaven as well on makeup artist seeking asylum in The US was wrongly detained as a gang member and deported to El Salvador, a case becoming a flashpoint in the debate over the Trump administration’s deportation of hundreds of migrants to a notoriously inhumane El Salvador mega prison.
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Sai, again, this is it’s hard to know.
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Meh. It’s hard to know.
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What’s real and what’s not real. But if it is real, this is fucking horrible.
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But if you think about it, Joe, like I say, if you’re rounding up hundreds of people, mistakes are gonna get made ai severance human.
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100%.
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And you then have to have a system, I think, that allows you to amend and make adjustments for that.
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Yeah. Absolutely. And it can’t be bury your head in the sana. No. Pretend it didn’t happen. No.
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Yeah. And this is the trouble with government. The incentive structure is all wrong. Like, to admit that is now embarrassing.
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That’s crazy. Ai.
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And it’s scary. We have the same problem in The UK in terms of the illegal immigration. And if we ever get a a government that’s gonna deal with that, we’re also gonna have to remove a lot of people who are there illegally. They shouldn’t be there. A lot of them are. And, you know, like I said, we had a report that shows they’re way more likely to commit sexual crimes, way more likely to commit violent crimes, they’re way more likely to commit all sorts of crimes.
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We are gonna have to remove them, but you have to do it in a way where there’s due process and a respect for Are
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they trying to remove them in England?
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No. No. At all? No. They arya saying they are, but they’re not
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removing them. Interesting. Yeah. So the mistakes like that have to be corrected if you want reasonable people to be on board with you.
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Correct. Yeah. Correct.
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If you want, you know, compassionate people to be on board with you, you can’t deport gay hairdressers seeking asylum. That’s fucking crazy. And then throw them in a El Salvador prison.
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That’s That’s not even his country. Right. You deport people back to their country.
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Right. It’s nuts. It’s just what was the story with the student that got arrested for writing an op ed piece?
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Is that the Khalil ai?
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Or No. The woman.
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Is that the girl from the Korean girl from is that the Korean girl from Columbia University? I don’t know yet.
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That’s a different one. Oh. There’s just so
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many of them.
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There was a a woman who got arrested for writing some sort of a thing. This is a Turkish student at Tufts University. Latest Palestinian supporter swept up in US crackdown.
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Right.
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What did, what did she get arrested for? Have you seen this one?
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No. I I saw it, but I haven’t delved into it.
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Joe, sorry. Could I have the lighter, please?
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Yeah. Sure.
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Thank you. Here you go.
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She engaged in activities in support of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization that relishes the killing of Americans.
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But But the department did not provide evidence of that support. Right. You know, what does that mean? I I heard she wrote some piece on on Israel. Yeah.
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I don’t know what the law of that is because she’s not a American national.
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Right.
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But instinctively, I’m just like, that’s that’s that’s a lot. That’s, like, crazy.
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I think she’s been in America though since she was seven.
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Right. Is it has she?
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I believe so.
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I thought she had a student visa.
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I think she’s been in America since she was very young. I think that’s one of the things that I had read.
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Okay. She’d previously been arrested in April 2024 for taking part. Yeah.
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Taking part in protest at Columbia University. So it seems like they’re really trying to crack down at some of these Columbia protests. Right?
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And I’m in two minds about that because I think on a free speech basis, unless I don’t know the law.
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Just for clarity, that was a second person.
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Second person.
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Oh, this is a a second person that was arrested?
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Second arrest.
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Oh, second pro Palestinian Columbia University protester. Okay. So this second person has been arrested before? Yeah. Okay. I see.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s ai, are we really arresting people for protesting, or are they protesting and also causing vandalism and violence? Like, what what are we saying?
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We don’t know. Right?
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Alright.
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But I I I think there’s, the legal thing of from what I’ve read is very complicated because if someone is not a US national
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Right.
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They may be subject to different rules or they may not. I think that’s a ai of live debate. But from a purely principles perspective, someone being arrested for writing an article seems extreme.
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30 year old was arrested and physically restrained by immigration officers near her apartment close to Tufts University Somerville Somerville campus, where she was a PhD student. Six plainclothes officers surrounded how do you say that name? Ozturk?
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Ozturk. Yeah.
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Ozturk. As she walked alone, neighborhood surveillance video appears to show the officers did not show their badges until she was restrained, the video shows. She, affiliated with prestigious American universities to be arrested for purported activities related to terrorist organizations amid the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown. So what did she sai, though?
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Like
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She engaged in activities in support of Hamas.
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But what
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does that mean?
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Right. Without specifying what those alleged activities were. Yeah. This is scary shit.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, especially if it’s just protesting. I mean, if I don’t know, you know
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Look. The counterargument on this, and I think it’s one that Ai, as someone who visits The United States, also feel is, like, the I don’t think The United States would have given this person a visa if she had told them this is what she plans to do in America. Right? So that’s their argument.
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That’s the argument that Marco Rubio is making, which is if we’d known you were gonna do this, we were never gonna give you a visa.
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Ai don’t think this is the one that I’m thinking about that was here since she was seven.
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No. That’s a Korean girl at Columbia University, Joe.
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Oh, okay. And they’re talking about deporting her. Right?
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Yes. They’re talking about deporting her, but I I I don’t know enough about that.
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And what had she done? Did she committed vandalism or
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I I don’t know enough about it. Jamie, if you get it up, then we can, have a look at it.
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It is.
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But that’s that’s the one you’re thinking of, the girl who’d been here since she was seven is a Columbia student.
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This girl also went to Columbia. Sai says she got a master’s degree at Columbia.
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Yeah. Interesting. So Columbia is the hotbed.
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Seems like that.
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Yeah. I wonder why. Why particularly Colombia?
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Well, there’s there have been a lot of protests, pro Palestine protests in Colombia.
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There she is.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. That’s the that’s the goal. You know, the we’re rapidly approaching the time where America and The UK are gonna is going to have a pretty uncomfortable debate as to what is acceptable and what is unacceptable when it comes to dealing with people Yeah. Who come here illegally, people who commit ai, or even if they attend protests. Yeah. What what where is where is the line?
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Because we’re gonna have to make a decision. Because until we do that and we start to actually apply the law as it’s meant to be applied and input certain laws in place, then these type of things are just gonna continue to happen.
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Yeah. 100%. Especially if someone wants them to happen. Because that’s meh ai is that a lot of these things are paid for and organized and including a lot of these protests at universities. Mhmm. Ai I think they’re doing it on purpose. Ai I think they’re trying to build up a a lot of passion in these people for being disruptive and a lot of passion for protest sana passion for and then they weaponize it.
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I really do. I believe that’s exactly what they did with the Tesla buildings. With all the Tesla dealerships being light on fire, they they they weaponized it. And it’s a good test run. You know, if they can weaponize it against Tesla, they can they can do that with a lot of other things to justify that kind of vandalism and fire and arson and get it all the chaos and property destruction.
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I went to UCLA campus. This was May, and I went to a pro Palestine demonstration. And I just went around just interviewing people, talking to students, and both on pro Palestine and the other side. And one thing one of the kids said to me was, as he was trying to get into the library, he was like, you know, most of the people who arya doing this, they’re not from UCLA.
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They’re not from this college campus.
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Right.
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What are they doing here? Right. He goes, look, fair enough. If you sana protest and you go to UCLA, that’s all cool. Whatever. Number one, don’t stop me from getting an education when my parents have paid x amount for it. But number two, like, he pointed at one of the dudes.
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He was like, that guy’s about 42. I know he doesn’t go to my college. Right. Why is he here protesting?
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He’s being paid.
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Yeah. And you’re right. And there are a lot of foreign governments that want this shit to be going on.
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100%. And there’s a lot of bots online that want this to be. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of, like, momentum that pushes things into these directions. These are not organic. Just like Bernie Sanders ram numbers aren’t ai. Like, these are not organic. There’s a there’s a narrow I mean, that was during the Kamala Harris administration or during the, campaign rather.
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You you saw these inorganic moments where they filled these arenas with people that were paid.
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Mhmm.
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And they spent how many billion? 2 billion dollars over the course of three months to do this and it failed. But it’s ai you’re manufacturing this this passion, manufacturing this movement. And a lot of people are dumb and it works on them.
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Yeah.
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No. You don’t know. Like, I’m sure you saw that lady who was, like, bragging about buying champagne and making fun of the guy selling her the champagne because he wasted his vote on Trump. And I’m buying champagne to to to to toast madam president. It’s she’s gonna win. Women have come to the like, they’ve she really believed it.
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Like, because they gaslit people so hard with their filled arenas and all the news coverage on CNN and MSNBC, and the polls are showing the polls are showing and who’s it’s gonna be a which Kamala Harris is gonna be a new. And they they just gaslit the whole country.
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And this is what happened with all that world cancellation stuff as well, where it was a very small number of people who made themselves look a lot bigger online
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Right.
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In order to then get companies to back down, to get universities to back down, in order in order to get other organizations who were just scared of the bad attention Yeah. To back down. I look at a lot of stuff that happens on social media. I’m going, there’s no fucking way that has got 80,000 likes organically.
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That there’s not that that’s not real. No. You know?
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It’s hard to say what’s real and what’s not real. And until you take that chip in your head, you’re not gonna know.
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That’s why
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you need to sign up for the Neuralink program. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s one of the things that I I’m really hopeful Elon can solve with x. It’s just that was one of the things he said when he took over. We need to deal with the bot problem. I think there’s more to do on that front for sure.
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There’s a lot more to do, and I don’t know what they can actually do. Because with AI, I mean, you can have, like, really sophisticated programs that tweet as if they are from Afghanistan, tweet as if they’re from wherever they are in the world. They could do it in different languages. It’s all it can all be done with AI ai, and they can argue specific points.
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Like, you know, this guy is a Nazi. Go out there and say it and prompt it. And then all of a sudden, you’ve got looks like ai of support calling Elon Musk a Nazi. And then a bunch of people hop on to that, and they think it’s organic. And they think that, like, these Tesla these people are fed up.
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That’s why they’re going to the Tesla’s dealerships. No. They’re getting they’re being paid. And they’re trying to crash the stock of Tesla. They’re trying to put people into panic mode so that it puts pressure on Elon to drop Doge. Like, this is what’s going on.
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Like and you you’re watching it as if it’s this organic moment. It’s a puppet show. You’re watching a puppet show.
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And that’s the thing that, you know, that really worries Ai think everybody at the moment is is at a very basic fundamental level. I don’t know what’s real and what’s not.
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No. I don’t either. I don’t Yeah, man. I wish I did because people think I do. Like, oh, you have inside information. I don’t have any. I have zero. I don’t know what’s going on.
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But but people but do you I think we all need to understand, you to a greater extent, us to a lesser extent, like, we’re not real people to a to people online. We’re just avatars. Right. And then they imbue us with this knowledge that we’ve got this knowledge that
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we can see things away. Controlled opposition.
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Oh, we’re so that. And we get that so much.
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It’s hilarious. That is the that’s where people that are just a little too smart to believe the Earth is flat. They’ll go with controlled opposition. But it’s just they just don’t know. Like, if you’re on the outside looking in, like, if you’re looking at Tom Hanks in his house, Ai must be a pedophile to get that house.
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You know what I mean? Like, you everybody on the outside of, like, people that are which, you know, with a guy like Tom Hanks is essentially ai a kind of royalty. Like a movie star royalty, like vatsal class of celebrity is ai a almost beyond and so they don’t seem like normal people to you.
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They go to the ai wide shah party and drink baby blood and, like, there’s all these bizarre things attributed to those people, and they’re in control of the narrative and they’re but there’s some people that really are in control of the narrative. There there’s some people that really arya, ai, CIA agents that are on TV shows, you know, that’s real.
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There’s, like, people that have worked for the CIA that are now on television telling you what the news is. If that doesn’t seem fucking crazy, you know, it’s just we’re, going through a bizarre period of, being bombarded with constant information, having unprecedented access to each other and and information, and also watching all the powers that be ai to snatch up more and more control over society.
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We’re watching it play out in real ai, and we’re concentrating on girls and sports and whether or not this is real. Should gay people still be able to get married? It’s all bullshit. Like, you’re just watching more and more power be acquired by the people with the most amount of money.
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Yeah. And that’s why people like Jeff Bezos ai with The Washington Post.
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Well, at least he turned it around and said lately that they they’re going to have to stop with all these left wing opinion pieces and just post about the news. Yeah. You know, which everybody’s freaking out. Because they really think they have, like, a a a mandate to be, like, the the moral voice of the world, which is so hilarious.
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I agree with you. That is good. But do you think any journalist is gonna be allowed to write a piece about Amazon criticizing them?
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I doubt it. Ai wouldn’t do it. If I work there, I’d chop my fucking mouth. I wanna buy a house. Ai to buy a house. Mhmm. Yeah. I don’t I can’t lose I get it. Yeah. They should get ai money. Whatever.
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That and that that comes back to our Lord of the Rings conversation because even well intentioned people who are doing things that we might like
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Right.
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Everyone’s got an agenda. Well, and so Especially a billionaire.
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Comes along and equally distributes all the money. So once again, hang on. Boys, let’s wrap this up. I appreciate you both very much. It’s always cool to talk to you. I’m happy you visit often, and, I’m glad you’re having a good time over here, and I hope you get your fucking shit together with your country because come on.
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Come on now. Can I just say one thing? Yes. I’ve got a book out in August. It’s called Classroom Confidential.
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Is it August it’s coming out?
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It’s in yeah. August.
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Have you finished it?
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I finished it. Yeah.
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It takes that long to release a book?
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Yeah. It does. It does. It does. Particularly the print, printing print printing industry in The UK. Yeah. So, but yeah. So it’s coming out. It’s all about being a teacher and ai you you should never
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be one. And it’s very funny. Beautiful.
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Very funny. Yeah. Well, come back when it’s when it comes out.
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Ai you come
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back, we’ll talk again. I’d love to. Your show, Trigonometry, it’s available everywhere.
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Anything else? We both got substacks.
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Yep. I’ve got a substack. He’s got a substack.
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Look at you guys. Fucking writing and shit. And your show is meh many times a week do you guys do it?
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We put two episodes out every week. So Wednesdays and Sundays is interviews.
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Do you do, like, Substack’s episodes, like different ones or Patreon or
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anything? On subs on our Substack, on the Trigonometry Substack, you get to hear the guest answer your questions. So people sana in questions ahead of time.
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Oh, that’s cool. Well, that’s nice.
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Yeah. People love that.
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That’s a great idea. That’s a good way to add extra value.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s what we’re always thinking about is how do we offer people who support us extra value? Because unlike the people on the Internet who say we’re controlled opposition paid by blah blah blah, we’re actually just paid by our fans.
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That’s actually a very good idea though to let the the fans actually have questions too. And Yeah. Those ai. Find the good ones and
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A lot of them are good ones. And what we often do as well is we look through them before the interview, and if we can’t get them in at the end, we’ll actually try and incorporate them into the discussion itself.
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Oh, beautiful. Yeah. Okay. Appreciate you both very meh. Always.
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Thanks, buddy.
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Thank you. Thank you
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very much. Bye, everybody.
