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#2293 – Chris Williamson Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion revolves around the value of authentic conversations and the impact of podcasting as a medium for sharing diverse perspectives. The episode highlights the importance of being genuine and transparent in discussions, emphasizing that listeners benefit from feeling as though they are part of the conversation. The speakers discuss the concept of performative empathy and the need for sincerity in expressing beliefs, regardless of political alignment.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the idea of intellectual exploration and understanding how individuals arrive at their beliefs. This is illustrated through a discussion about a survey conducted by Corey Clark, which revealed that many psychology professors prioritize making people feel good over telling the truth, leading to self-censorship in academia.
The episode also touches on the phenomenon of people seeking solutions to their problems through external means, such as money or fame, and the misconception that these will solve all issues. The speakers argue that true growth requires significant personal change, which is rare and often resisted.
An important guest mentioned is Michael Costa, whose name was misspelled in a Newsweek article, highlighting the importance of accuracy and respect in media representation.
Actionable insights from the episode include the encouragement to engage in genuine conversations, prioritize truth over comfort, and strive for personal growth beyond superficial changes. The recurring theme is the value of authenticity and the pursuit of understanding in both personal and public discourse.
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#2293 – Chris Williamson Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Ram ai day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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I took the glasses off. I was hoping you’re gonna keep them on.
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You want me to keep
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them on? You could pull them off. Meh me try them on. Some dudes can’t
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pull off douchey glasses. You think
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it’s douchey?
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A little bit if I didn’t know you, but I’d know you. I’m not douchey at all, so you can wear
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cool glasses. Well, these are requests by you, so I can wear what
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I want. You’ve been
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wearing them a lot. I like them. Yeah.
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Yeah. I do. They’re kind of it’s like like having a Instagram filter for the entire ai.
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Right.
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So everything feels
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It’s a little rosy. I had a I had a pair of rose colored glasses before, and I got it. I was like, oh, I get it. Mhmm. It is better than the way.
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Ai. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like a full, dude, I got I I need to show you this. So Okay.
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What is this?
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Have a little open of that. So you’ll remember that I sent you a photo on iMessage a couple of months ago of a friend of mine who was in Antarctica.
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Yeah.
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And he flew a comedy mothership lighter out to Antarctica. I’ve been reliably told that that ai was used to smoke weed in Antarctica. Yeah. And it’s touched it was dropped a number of times, so it’s touched ancient permafrost.
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Fuck yeah. What kind of, laws do they have in Antarctica?
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I don’t know. Apparently, they’re liberal. Laws? I fuck knows. I don’t know. I don’t know if there.
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Have they established laws?
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They were 400 miles in. Woah. So this was part of the final experiment, which was this attempt to try and disprove flat Earth.
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Oh.
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He went as a part of that.
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Did he bring flat earthers? Is that the deal?
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So Yeah. Four flat earthers, four globies, globe earthers meh flown to Antarctica. It’s $35,000 per person. Oh my god. This guy called Will Duffy put the project together, flew everybody down there.
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Did he pay for each person?
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Yep. Yep. Wow. I think maybe a couple of people chose to go self funded, but they were trying to get the open offer to all of the biggest flat earth influencers, commentators on the planet. I don’t know what to call it.
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How many went?
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Four of each. So four roundies, four flatties. And,
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they Don’t you wanna see their search histories?
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Maybe the FBI do. I don’t know.
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The the flat people, I wanna see.
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So, they do this, in the middle of winter, the summer, they observe the sun above the horizon for twenty four hours. So there’s no explanation, apparently, with most of the models of flat Earth about how the sun could stay above the horizon for twenty four hours. So they flew down.
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They had drones flying in the air. They had, a twenty four hour three sixty cameras. They had livestream of iPhones, all of this stuff. And then they had the people that were on the ground. And the guys that were there observed the sun.
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Did the flat earthers switch stances?
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So three
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Three did and one didn’t?
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This is just a drone I was just showing you footage.
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Oh, this is drone footage?
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Yeah. So the the final experiment.
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So those are apparently mountain tops.
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But they’re submerged? It’s
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just all ice.
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That is so fucking hardcore.
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Because, you know, there’s a bunch of things up there that look like pyramids. And what it really is is just an unusual peak of an enormous mountain. Have you seen the Antarctic Pyramids? Yeah. You gotta go all in on that.
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Okay. Fucking
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They they
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Meh have hard
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launched hard launched this episode.
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People that believe wild shit about Antarctica. So you know about the direct energy weapon theory. Right?
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Yes. I did see that on Shah Ryan’s show.
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Yes. I did as well. I was like, okay.
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That guy’s fucking really interesting.
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Yeah. It’s ai, he sounds really interesting. But if I wanna sit him next to Eric Weinstein. You know what I’m saying? Like, is there any is is anything this guy is saying make any sense? Because I’ve I’ve done that before with Eric, with one guy who was a fraudster. I sent him a video and I said, tell me if this is gobbledygook or if this is real physics.
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Eric to stress test
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Oh, yeah.
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Ai ideas.
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Of course. He loves it. He he loves any sort of intellectual stimulation and especially if it’s ai mathematics or physics or something where it’s his wheelhouse. And, you know, he’s great. Because you can someone can sound really good to me, you know. They they could start quoting
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thermal ai. Through whatever their problem is.
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Like like chiropractors do. You know, chiropractors use all these crazy weird terms for musculature and and different insertion points is to let you know that they have a comprehensive understanding of the body that’s far beyond yours, Chris. And this is the same thing like a lot of fraudsters do. They’ll use enormous language and very verbose, you know, phrases.
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And it’s ai they’re just trying to get you to think that they’re smarter than they are.
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Yeah. I think people use sort of complex language and fluency as a proxy for truthfulness and insight.
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Yes. And especially when if you’re dealing with a truly brilliant person, they can’t that’s what the pyramid is. Fuck.
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Yeah. Oh, this is just on Google Maps. Yeah. Jamie, you’ve just gone to Google Maps.
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Yeah. I
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didn’t wanna go to any
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I went to the source.
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Any kooky websites? But it does look like a pyramid.
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Well, it also looks like all three.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy. That’s the But the re the reality is that’s probably under a couple miles of ice. Wow.
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Yeah. So this, final experiment thing sent the world into a spiral. There’s this dude, Jaren Campanella, who was one of the the biggest influencers, and he’s said, I saw the sun above the horizon. I think the Earth’s round. He’s immediately been the Flat Earth Society has just gone into a head spin. They’re saying they didn’t really go to Antarctica.
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They went to the Sphere in Vegas was one of the accusations. They did it at the Sphere in Vegas, and they were tracking it around.
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The Sphere is not that big, kids.
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Yeah. Well
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It’s not that big. I’ve been there. There’s seats everywhere. You would know you’re there.
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I don’t know. I don’t know. They had a bad time. But, yeah, it’s it’s that’s been pretty wild. Talking of pyramids, dude, this new pyramid shit that’s just come out?
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Oh, this is insane. Yeah. I was gonna send this to you as well, Jamie. I’ll send you one of the most comprehensive breakdowns of it on x because it’s quite stunning. Sai, apparently, through the use of ai, they have discovered that there are enormous structures underneath the Great Pyramid that go kilometers deep into the earth with coils.
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So enormous pillars and then these coils. They don’t understand what it is because they’re all looking they’re just looking at ai images, but whatever this is is a uniform structure. There’s several pillars and, all of this is, like, very, very, very weird.
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Yeah. 600 meters descending down those cylinders and then there’s more stuff below it. And then there’s additional structures inside of it. Yeah. That was crazy.
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It’s really crazy. There’s a ai, Jay Anderson, and he did, a breakdown of it. Maybe this would be good. We could play this. It makes a little more sense when someone’s explaining it to you.
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Well, yeah. I mean, we need somebody that’s an expert here, not me and you.
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Zawe Hawass, by the way, has said it’s nonsense. So
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Already?
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Yes. According to Graham Hancock. This is the wonderful thing about having Graham
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I texted Graham yesterday. I was like, yeah. What what’s going on with this?
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Gotta appreciate the dramatic intro.
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Project Unity.
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What has just been announced in relation to the pyramids at the Giza Plateau and the plateau itself is so incredible, so awe ai, and narrative shattering
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that
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I have been sitting here for the last hour trying to wrap my head around the implications of what we were just told. So this is pretty much breaking news because the new findings were announced on the March 16 at a press conference held by the team who was studying the Great Pyramid Of Giza with a noninvasive technology that was first developed by, Filippo Bionde and Corrado Malanga called synthetic aperture radar doppler tomography.
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Okay. That’s a mouthful.
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Used to explore the entire Carapatra. Of the Great Pyramid Of Giza. And this method leverages the analysis of micro movements typically generated by background seismic activity to achieve a high resolution, full three d tomographic imagery of the pyramids interior and subsurface components.
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The recent findings from deploying this technology are nothing short of mind blowing because what’s been discovered is that there are huge structures coming down from the base of the pyramid deep into the bedrock. In fact, over 600 meters deep, which then connects to structures that extend up to two kilometers below the surface of the ground.
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One kilometers, massive internal structures connected to the base of the pyramid and extending deep, deep down. This is what we know so far.
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What what does your friend think about it?
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Which friend?
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The one that you said it’s bullshit.
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Oh, it’s not my friend. That’s Zawe Hawass.
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Okay.
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Zawe Hawass is the head of antiquities in in Egypt. He’s, like, the head guy that talks to the archaeologists and gives the official narrative. In the in the past, he’s been extremely hostile to Graham Hancock, but Graham Hancock and him and have now become friends.
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Oh, yes. I know this guy.
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Coordinating. Graham is a lovely guy. The people that, like, are enemies with him just need to get to know him and hang out with him. He’s a genuine real human being who’s trying to find the truth. He’s he doesn’t have fake narratives and and he’s so sensitive too. Like, he’s so upset, like, when when people smeared him, ai, the Atlantis thing they were trying to say, it’s a white supremacist idea to look for Atlantis.
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It’s ai, what are you talking about? Mhmm. Like, what are you talking about? Like, we had this guy, Flint Dibble on, who in an article and he was talking about Ram. He’s connecting Graham to white supremacy and all all this crazy shit because of the Atlantis theory. It’s the way they dismiss it.
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It pedestalizes white heritage. Because some people in the past,
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some people in the past who have theorized about Atlantis had white supremacist ideas. But also, most people didn’t. Like, Plato didn’t. Like, the people that talked about this place, it’s in Sai Saharan Africa. I mean, it’s like the least white supremacist discovery of all ai, as are the Pyramids.
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This is Africa. It’s the least white supremacist notion of all time that this in incredibly advanced ancient civilization had reached some sort of proficiency that’s above and beyond we we attribute to them. Ai think Graham is ai. And I think there’s a lot of other people that are right too that are chasing this down.
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And, Christopher Dunn, had long ago theorized and wrote a book that he believes that the Great Pyramid Of Giza is a gigantic power plant. He thinks it generates power, and he has an, a very, like, an ai, a working theory of why it’s built the way it’s built that totally coincides with the ability to produce hydrogen, the ability to utilize the the rays of speak, and and and try to find some way to generate electricity through this.
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Yeah. It’s the association of other people that we don’t like talked about this thing. Therefore, anybody else that talks about this thing is immediately attached to them just seems like a very lazy way to sort of smear people. It’s it’s a it’s lazy thinking.
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It is it’s gross. It’s it’s beyond lazy. It’s not lazy. It’s really cheap. It’s ai they’re cheap insults. And it’s also from academia, which is so disappointing. You know, I mean, academia has been so captured by this mind virus of leftism that it’s just it’s so bizarre to watch the brightest minds and the people that we lean on for vatsal, reasonable thinking and an objective understanding of the world.
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We we lean on the experts. And when they’re calling someone a white supremacist for talking about an advanced society that lived in Africa
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There’s a lot of ways that you can put your foot in it. There’s this woman, Corey Clark, who sent a survey to every psychology professor in The US and asked them questions ai, what is more important, the truth or ensuring that, equity is is promoted? And a lot of professors basically said, I self censor. I would prioritize making people feel good over necessarily telling them the truth.
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There are certain, opinions that people should be reported for. There are certain, topics that basically shouldn’t be discussed. The the usual suspects stuff like behavioral genetics, so heritability Right. Evolutionary psychology as in anything that ai relates to sex differences.
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And, yeah, it really is retarding the progress
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Yeah.
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Of every and you think, well, trickling down from this, what sort of educated society you’re gonna have in future that’s not gonna be particularly good?
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Well, I think it’s gonna encourage independent education. I think you’re gonna encourage people like, University of Austin, which is, they’re aiming to do just that and to ai of bypass all this nonsense and just teach people reality. And I also think that it’s most likely I mean, I don’t even wanna say most likely.
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It’s most certainly influenced by other countries that wanna degrade our ability to develop meaningful minds that come out of universities, ai, intelligent, useful people.
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Distract them with social justice.
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Not just distract them, but destroy society with them. It’s Yuri Bismenov’s prediction from 1984. It’s ai, you could pass that off as a ridiculous conspiracy theory if if it wasn’t totally accurate. Vatsal ai, it’s amazing how people don’t want to believe that maybe, there’s been subversion and that maybe our universities have been overrun for years with both funding, which we know is true, particularly from China.
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China funds a lot of American universities. They do they give a lot of grants. They spend a lot of money. And this was the this is a part of the whole thing with George w or not George w, excuse me, with Joe Biden’s bizarre job that he had, where he was a professor that he never showed up for classes, and he was teaching and he he got a
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Ai a mob teaching job.
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He did he got a mob no show job teaching.
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As a professor? Yeah.
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As a professor. Ai I think he got a million dollars a year to just do nothing.
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You know that, question that people ask about?
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Ai know how much he got. I don’t wanna get sued.
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Ai. Man. He doesn’t know what’s going on.
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He doesn’t know what’s going on. Well, he might auto sign the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Legal papers.
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There’s that question about there’s two options about, life in the universe that either we’re alone or that we’re not, and both are equally terrifying.
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Right.
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Right? I feel like it’s the same when it comes to Western anti Westernism.
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Yeah.
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And you say, either we’re doing it to ourselves or we’re not.
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Right.
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And both are equally terrifying.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You know? You’re being puppeted by this nefarious foreign power, or you’re just turning around and kicking the ball into the your own goal over and over again?
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Well, I think people will turn around and kick the ball into their own goal, but I also think they’re being helped. I think there’s a substantial amount of this that just works automatically. It it preys upon really weak minds and particularly bullies and mean people who wanna find other people that they can hate to justify, like, whatever virtue they believe they have above those people.
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And and they’ll use it to hate. And, John Cleese made a great video about this, why extremism is so interesting. It’s on my Instagram. I, I reposted it the other day. Someone posted it. We’ll give them credit for it. But it’s a great clip from John Cleese from thirty years ago.
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From thirty years ago.
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Perfect.
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And in in pre social media, there’s no social media at this time. And he essentially nails what’s going on with both the right wing extremists and the left wing extremists. It’s the same thing. They’re the same people. They’re finding a thing. Click click this.
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We’ve heard a lot about extremism recently. A nastier, harsher atmosphere everywhere, more abuse and bother boy behavior, less friendliness and tolerance and respect for opponents. Alright. But what we never hear about extremism is its advantages. Well, the biggest advantage of extremism is that it makes you feel good because it provides you with enemies.
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Meh me explain. The great thing about having enemies is that you can pretend that all the badness in the whole world is in your enemies and all the goodness in the whole world is in you. Attractive, isn’t it? So if you have a lot of anger and resentment in you anyway, and you therefore enjoy abusing people, then you can pretend that you’re only doing it because these enemies of yours are such very bad persons.
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And that if it wasn’t for them, you’d actually be good natured and courteous and rational all the time. So if you want to feel good, become an extremist. Okay. Now you have a choice. If you join the hard left, they’ll give you their list of authorized enemies.
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Almost all kinds of authority, especially the police, the city, Americans, judges, multinational corporations, public schools, furriers, newspaper owners, fox hunters, generals, class traders, and, of course, moderates. Or if you’d rather be an extremist on the hard ai
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I bet the moderates are in there again.
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Loveliness of enemies.
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Only they’re different ones. Noisy minority groups, unions, Russia, weirdos, demonstrators, welfare sponges, meddlesome clergy, peacenics, the BBC, strikers, social workers, communists, and
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of course, moderates and upstart actors.
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Now, once you’re armed with one of these stupidest of enemies, you can be as nasty as you like and yet fuel your behaviors morally justified. So you can strut around abusing people and telling them you could eat them for breakfast and still think of yourself as a champion of the truth, a a a fighter for the greater good, and not the rather sad paranoid schizoid who really are.
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Seriously.
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Brilliant. Brilliant.
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Sai good.
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Brilliant.
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Yeah. I remember Pre social media. But the dynamic is still the same.
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Right. It’s just amplified now sai much so that it’s a part of everyone’s life.
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So many people’s morality stands on the shoulders of somebody that’s fallen behind. Right? It’s look at how much look at how bad that person is. Don’t you don’t need to look at me. And I think that if people start pointing at out groups and they bind their group together over the mutual hatred of an out group, that’s usually an indication I’m like, I should look a little bit closer at you.
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Ai, it might be a good example. Lizzo. Didn’t think I was gonna go there. Lizzo, talking about how she was in support of these bigger girls Yes. And she was gonna help their careers and give them a platform Yep. Presumably a structurally reinforced platform. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, she’s body shaming them. She’s starving them.
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She’s not letting them have water apart from when she makes them eat bananas out of the vaginas of Amsterdam Strippers. Douglas Murray said that she she thought that she could outsource eating fruit to somebody else. And meanwhile, you think she’s portraying Ai Nicey out ai.
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What’s happening behind the scenes?
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Right.
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I remember this. This was pre You want a cigar? Yeah, please. This was pre thank you. Pre Trump Saloni. Really pre Trump Elon. And, he was saying thank you very much. And, he was saying, what I care about is doing good, not the appearance of it. Yes. And he’s discussing performative empathy in this way. This sort of sense that what’s most important is to protect people’s feelings.
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And I think that this really is a point it doesn’t matter whether you’re on left or right. This is a point that you should care about because you want people to have some sense of transparency, legitimacy. They want to be telling the truth. You want to trust that what someone is saying to you is actually what they believe.
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Yes.
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And he said, what I care about is doing good, not the appearance of it. There are lots of people who are doing evil while proclaiming that they’re doing good. And, you know, that’s the same that you’re talking about there with John, please. You’re saying these people’s morality will stand on the shoulders of others who have fallen behind.
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It’s the same reason why if somebody’s in the middle of a scandal, look at who comes out and twists the knife a lot. Do you go, I wonder what’s in your it’s the classic congressman that’s got the anti gay bill Oh, yeah.
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Who’s just Gay as fuck.
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Yeah. Yeah. Glory holes and, you know, check his hard drive. That’s the person whose hard drive is
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not ai.
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Yeah. So, yeah, it it’s it’s just such an obvious warning sign to me that what’s happening inside of someone is probably not that good.
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Yeah. I mean, if you’re looking to destroy someone, particularly, ai, you’re you’re attacking someone online, particularly, almost all of those people are deeply broken. There’s there’s always some creepiness that lurks behind the scenes that you’re trying to cover up for with your actions. Right. Almost always.
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You’re trying to put the light on this person. The you’re gonna put the eye of Sauron on this person to keep it off yourself. I’ve seen that a lot of, you know, self proclaimed male feminists.
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Sneaky fuckers.
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Yeah. That I know to be creeps, you know. And I’m like, ew. And I’ll see them attacking some other ai. I’m like, oh, god. I don’t dive in, but I want to sometimes. Sometimes Sai wanna just burn the boats and pull the fucking pins on the grenades.
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You know what I don’t like about that sort of level of aggressive criticism? I think I’m a you could describe me as a criticism hyper responder. I’m someone for whom it it probably impacts me more than it should do, certainly more than it should do for someone who gets as the level of attention that I’ve managed to get myself to now.
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Right.
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And what I don’t like about it is it causes people ai me to be way less confident in their own positions. Because you think, oh, well, most people if if it was me, I would only give feedback if I was really certain and if I had this person’s best interests at heart and if I wanted them to do better and if I actually knew what I was talking about, then I would tell this person what I think about them and what I think about what they’re saying.
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Right. And if you apply that rubric to everybody else that gives you criticism, you give, undue, unfair expertise and, legitimacy to people who don’t have your best interests at heart. They don’t understand what you’re trying to do. They don’t care about you. They don’t get it.
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And, it causes a lot of people basically, I think that, criticism killed more dreams than a lack of competence ever did because people are just I’m I’m worried about pushing these boundaries too much. Sure. This person all of my friends tyler me the truth. Why isn’t this person on the Internet? There’s this idea from Ethan Cross called criticism capture.
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So you’ll have heard of audience capture, right, where a a creator starts feeding red meat to the audience. It becomes very predictable.
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Yes.
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Criticism capture basically says it’s not the meh, but the criticisms that are more warping. That over time, what you end up doing is changing the way that you speak. You become flame sword flaming sword wielding card carrying member that’s as aggressive as possible to push back against it, or you go the other way, then you begin to caveat very aggressively.
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You start to dampen down all of your opinions so that nobody can take offense to them. You have these unnecessarily long, sort of diatribes, sort of weird land acknowledgment. Well, we must remember that women are struggling with the thing and we have to in the memories. But now we’ve got that out of the way.
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Let’s talk about men’s problems or whatever it might be. And, ai, I think I I just wish that the Internet was a little bit more positive some as opposed to negative some, and I understand that people buying together over mutual hatreds of out groups. Like, the oldest story in human history is that group of people are different to us. Yeah. Let’s get them.
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The oldest story in history. I mean, it’s, it’s tribal genetics. It’s, like, baked into our DNA, literally. And it can be manipulated. And when people are doing it and they’re doing it with a very obvious distortion of your actual position just to label you as the worst possible, least charitable version of you that could ever be remotely considered.
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Do you see that all the time where people are just trying to distort a narrative? You’re seeing that right now with Elon. Right? You’re you’re seeing people justify violence and extreme vatsal, and you’re seeing people cheer it on, and it’s very strange. There was a a thing on The Daily Show where the host was talking about the attacks on Tesla and people keying people’s and the audience starts clapping and cheering.
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It’s so strange. It’s so fucking strange. And it’s also just shows you how positions just completely flip flop. Ai, if the Tesla used to be the car that you drove to let everybody know that you were environmentally conscious and you were a good leftist.
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It’s a good question. Do we care about the environment or not? Because those fumes that are being kicked out of that, that’s not good.
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A thousand jet airplanes flying overhead for a year. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s water.
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Ai batteries on fire. They’re so toxic.
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Mhmm. Mhmm. Lithium and all sorts of shit getting pissed into the environment.
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Oh, it’s all gonna come down and rain. It’s gonna pollute the water. The fish are gonna be polluted. You’re not gonna be able to eat them.
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But we’re doing good. Mhmm. This is for a righteous cause.
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Yeah. It’s all funded too. It’s funded by NGOs. That’s where it gets really creepy.
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Tesla fires are funded by NGOs.
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Yeah. People are uncovering exactly what’s going on, and this is where this is where it gets fascinating because all the stuff is operated pretty much with impunity in the past before Doge, before, Elon and his, crew of ai psychopaths started
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to Fucking teenage mutant ninja turtles.
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Super wizards started diving into all this data. Mhmm. And this is something that Ted Cruz has talked about. He sai, we had always known that there was these problems. But until Elon came along with these algorithms, we couldn’t expose them. We didn’t understand what was going on.
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And now they’ve used AI to create this, understanding of the net of NGOs that is all funded by USAID and by similar type programs where, you know, you kinda have these open ended checks that get written to the other ai. The other side. That’s the top. Ai. Yeah. Right there. How often you smoke cigars, fella?
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Couple of times. Well, I fucking turned this around the wrong way. Alright. No worries. Keep going.
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But this is this is the essentially, the way Mike Benz describes it, he’s the very best at it. I don’t know if you ever seen his his breakdowns of, USAID.
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I love his episodes on here. Incredible. They’re so interesting.
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They’re so interesting. Because you realize, like, this has been going on forever and ever and ever. And this is this is the arm of the government that is about regime change. A lot of the money gets funneled into these other countries, and it’s under the guise of, you know, air quotes, aid, but it’s not aid.
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It’s Agency for International Development. And it’s it’s all about influence and power all throughout the world and and also at home. And one of the things that it does at home is they organize these protests. They organize protests, different NGOs do, all funded by the government, all funded by taxpayer money in this weird way.
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And when they do it, they pay people to show up at these places. I’ve got pamphlets that people have given me that they’ve taken from these these locations or gotten from email lists where
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Is that purposefully no digital record?
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I I think probably, but I don’t think they care. I mean, I think as long as they’re saying they’re gonna pay you to protest. I think that’s legal. I think it’s legal to pay someone to protest. So they’re paying people a thousand dollars, and they’re giving them food and snacks, and you can get a lot of people to just show up for a thousand bucks.
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And then some of them are gonna get a little vandal y. Some of them
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Bring enough people together and they get vandal y.
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How crazy is it that the left are the ones who are painting swastikas on cars? Just understand how crazy positions can flip and flop. The left is upset that we’re not continuing an endless war in Ukraine. The left is upset that this guy is uncovering fraud and waste. And so in order to stop that, you must light cars on fire and put swastikas on them because he’s a Nazi.
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Because he said ai heart goes out to you. Even though there’s countless videos of AOC doing that gesture, Tim Walz doing that gesture enthusiastically, many, many people.
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I do think if you’re in that position, if you’ve got this heritage coming in, just be careful with where you put your hands.
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Don’t. Do
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you know what I mean? Don’t do that. Like, just fucking think about where you put your hands.
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He’s, you know, he’s on the spectrum, man. He’s not normal.
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You’ve seen that video comparing him and Trump’s son? There’s two different types of autism.
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Have you
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seen this?
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No. I haven’t.
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Oh my god. It’s so good. I think it’s at the is it the inauguration? And, they both stood next to each other, and Elon’s sort of fist pumping and loving it, and, Trump’s son’s just, like, staring off.
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Apparently, Trump’s son went up to Biden at the inauguration and said it’s on now.
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What is this? A fucking UFC fight?
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I mean, that’s literally apparently, lip readers have, like, read what he said when he went up to because there’s a moment where he goes up to Biden and Biden looks confused, and he doesn’t ai. He’s like, but he walks up to him. It’s on now.
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What they need to do you know, that’s how football coaches have got they put the the play thing over the front of their mouth like ai, and they talk into it. Yeah. That’s how it needs to be done now for politics with lip readers everywhere.
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Ai that kid knew there was lip readers. I don’t think he gave a fuck. I think they tried to put his dad in jail, and he wants to kill that guy. That’s what I think. He’s like, fuck you. Yeah. Because he imagine your dad’s getting that close to put in jail for bullshit for the rest of his life.
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Like, if he got put in jail for twenty five to life, he’s dead. He’s dead. He dies in jail. He’s gonna get no food. He’s gonna be no nutrition, no sunlight, depression, intense fucking anxiety. You’re in jail. You’re dead. He’s 80 years old. He’s not gonna last a hundred and five in jail.
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There was a video from Forbes recently that got a million plays in a day talking about Trump getting, like, bopped on the nose by a boomer.
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Lady?
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Yeah. By a little boomer. He just did a little boop on the nose. Yeah. I I have to sai, I have such fucking news politics fatigue already. Well, what? Two months into the the sort of presidency? And it is the velocity of bullshit. If you can get a million plays in a day because Trump got bopped on the nose by a fucking boom mic, it just the the appetite is it seems endless for it.
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It just feels it’s very it’s exhausting. I’m kind of having to check out. And I know that people say, oh, well, it’s a luxurious position. You don’t need to pay attention to politics. It’s a luxurious position for you to be in.
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People at the bottom, they do need to pay to pay attention to politics. It’s an interesting stat because actually the most educated, wealthiest people are the ones that spend the most time consuming news and talking about politics. So people at the bottom rung of the ladder that don’t. So that’s not true. I’m just fucking exhausted.
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I’m so You’re allowed
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to be exhausted. It’s Newsweek wrote an article about how one of the names of one of our podcast guests, who’s a good friend of mine, Michael Costa, his name was misspelled accidentally.
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On the feed?
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On the feed.
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You have the on the And so Newsweek Is that you, Jamie? It wasn’t even misspelled. I don’t know. It was miss capitalized. It’s, Ai the second letter had a capitalization too on accident, and
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I don’t know.
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The defense rests its case here.
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It wasn’t even misspelled. Right. It was meh, capital Ai, Michael Kosta. Ai, Mikau Kosta or something. Okay.
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Yeah. It’s a headline.
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It’s it’s a a fucking article in Newsweek.
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Ai think that your career would result in you having typos for a headline, Jamie? No.
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I don’t even know which ones
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we’ve missed. I’m sure there’s been other ones. That’s just the first one I
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see. Percent. What happens? It happens. People don’t make mistakes. You’re typing things in. Yeah. But the fact that it’s an article that we’re being called out for a typo
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Must be fucking
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arya, but it’s just anything for clicks, man.
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A little weak for news.
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Anything for clicks?
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That was something that I noticed, a trend that I’ve noticed over the last couple of years. Ai media is really struggling to garner attention itself. It seems like fewer and fewer people are listening to it. We saw that over the last election. You know, it seems to me like the best way that legacy media can gain traffic is to talk about independent media. Yeah.
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How many times are we seeing headlines about Andrew Heueman or about the right wing banosphere pipeline and how it’s getting people to do this? Or the other side, like, why is there not a Joe Rogan of the like, you know, whatever the whatever the headline is, more and more, the the way that legacy media is able to achieve traffic is only in reference to independent media.
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Yes.
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So that ai opposed to us being downstream from them, they’re now downstream from us.
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Yeah. And anything masculine is right wing. Anything. You cannot be masculine. Like, you cannot be interested in physical fitness, anything.
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It’s a pipeline to being right wing.
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Yes. You can’t like fast cars. Nope. You’re you’re not allowed to. You don’t even allowed to like Teslas anymore.
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Misogynist. You’re the fastest cars. Yep.
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Yeah. You’re a misogynist. You’re probably racist. Maybe a Nazi.
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Mhmm.
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I’m gonna put a swastika in your car just to let everybody know. It’s there was some really fucking stupid graph that someone put up of how right wing, social media and new media people
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That was the media matters study. Yeah. This is interesting.
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I was at the top of the list. I was at the top of the list, and I was like, I feel like the way Caitlyn Jenner must have felt ai when she won women of the year. Like, it’s so quick I got to the top of
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the list. I’m not even right wing.
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Just because I support Ram, I supported him over the rest of the fucking nonsense that was going on when you’re trying to push through someone without even a primary. Here
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it is.
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This is it. I’m number one, bitch. It’s kinda funny. Like, they’re putting Theo Vaughn in
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there. Lex Friedman?
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Yeah. That’s Lex Friedman, that’s hilarious to put him in there. Who else they have in there that’s ridiculous?
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Piers Morgan?
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Well, Piers Morgan is kind of light right leaning, I think. Right. But I think he’s pretty reasonable. I think he’s far more of a centrist.
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Kill Tony three point five. I still understand how that’s a political show.
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It’s not. But Tony, you know, was at the, White House or the, Flagrant
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2.8.
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Yeah. Flagrant is not a right wing show, you fucking idiots. They have
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a bunch of red dots too with no names on them, which is and then bulldozers.
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You’re allowed to. Shut up, Jamie. Stop games.
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I managed to thread I managed to thread the needle of avoiding this.
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You’re gonna
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get on there now. Yeah.
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Well
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They’re gonna put you on now. Yeah. Jamie, those red ones are real. Just shut up.
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No. I’m just I don’t know what No.
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They’re real. They’re all real. There’s a couple blue ones that are real too. What’s the name? I don’t don’t know. Fuck the name.
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Yeah.
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They’re too little.
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Too small. No one cares.
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No one
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gives it.
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Yeah. It’s hilarious.
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It’s very funny. What what what do you think of the or if you got a proposed reason for why this is it just a a judgment criteria that they’re judging shows that aren’t right wing as right wing? Or is it genuinely that for some reason the left is struggling to make progress in independent media?
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Well, they’re struggling to make progress in independent media for sure. They’re trying to figure out why. They’re trying to figure out why these what they arya calling right wing I think if you looked at all my positions, I think way more of them are left wing than right wing.
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What are the left wing positions that you still hold?
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Well, the big one is having some sort of a social safety net. I was on welfare when I was a kid. My family was on food stamps. We were fucking poor as shit. And I remember that helping us a lot. We had food where Sai don’t know what we would be doing if we I mean, we we were in a bad place. And there’s social safety nets for people.
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My my family got out of that, and my stepfather and my mother ai up doing well. They did they did really great, and they they got out of debt and bought a house and great job and the whole deal. But when I was a little boy, we were fucked. And I think social safety nets are very important for people. It’s very it’s very important for society.
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If you care about people, you care about the whole ai. You don’t want people starving when there’s ways to develop government programs to make sure people have food. And I think that’s the this idea of pulling up by their bootstraps is horseshit. Some people don’t have boots. They don’t have straps. They don’t have nothing.
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They’re they’re fucked. They’re fucked from the moment they were born. They were born into a bad family environment, in a bad neighborhood, and crime, and gangs, and drugs, and it’s not even playing field.
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Where are you at with health care?
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I think health care 100% should be socially funded. I think that Medicare and Medicaid, having programs where people who are hurt can get an operation and it’s not gonna bankrupt them for the the rest of their life is another thing that I think society should be it should be a part of our agreement to take care of each other as a community, that we chip in money for what people would think of as socialist positions.
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And I always bring up the fire department because the fire department ram one of the best examples that everybody sort of agrees. It’s a socialist sort of thing. You give your tax dollars, the tax tyler supports the fire department, the fire department fairly puts out out fires for everybody.
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They don’t not put out your fire if you don’t have any money.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s not like they don’t the the fires don’t
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It’s such a good example. But when you compare that to the way that medical access is done, at least in this country.
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But I also believe in competition. I’ve said this before. I’ll say it again. I want my doctor to be a bad motherfucker who drives a Mercedes. I want my doctor to, like, be really good. I want him to be an artist. You know, I wanna go to the guy who fixes the Lakers’ knees. You know? That’s the guy you want.
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You want that guy who has a nice watch, and he lives in a nice house, and he kicks ass, and he knows how to fucking fix people really well. He’s the best at it. And you go to him and you get an operation, and you’re fucking golden. That’s what you want. When you you want competition because competition inspires excellence.
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You know, being rewarded for your hard work is a a giant incentive for people to get amazing at things, and you need that. You need that too. But there’s also a lot of very good doctors who would be very happy to do something that helps the overall greater good of the community.
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Just like you have really good criminal defense attorneys that are, you know, assigned to you if you’re, you know, if you’re getting unjustly bryden you want a really good one that can help you. You know, there’s there’s state appointed attorneys that are just good people that wanna help people. You know, Bill Murray was talking about his daughter. His daughter does that.
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There’s, you know, there’s room for that with the amount of money that we spend on so many things that we all agree are fucked. And maybe some of that could be freed up with some of this USAID money that they’re pulling. I mean, there’s nothing wrong with giving people health care.
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Like, if you know anybody that’s been injured and was bankrupt because they didn’t have insurance, and then they had to get some crazy operation, and now they have this enormous debt, and they wind up going bankrupt, or they’re getting chased down for the money for the rest of their life.
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It’s horrible.
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It’s the number one cause of bankruptcy in America Yeah. Medical debt. I mean, coming from The UK where we’ve got the NHS, it feels fucking barbaric. It is horrible. Feel barbaric. I meh I went to New Orleans, and I was getting, this great ghost tour on an evening ai. It’s, like, fun tourist shit to do in New Orleans. I do those. And, the guy the guide was so good.
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My mother was a Wiccan, and I I don’t know if that was true, but this the tale was lovely. Anyway, Anna, he was telling me I’ve got a a a chipped wisdom tooth, and my girlfriend, got into a car wreck the other day, and he basically said he was explaining to me about how you can get bankrupted by ai stuff.
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He’s like, if you get hit by a ai, you don’t have insurance, you better fucking walk it off. Because if you don’t, that could be the end of essentially the beginning of the end of your life. Oi. And that really I mean, that was six, seven years ago now, and it’s still, ai, it that was the most haunting thing about the fucking ghost tour, was him telling me about ai telling me about the medical debt.
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And then I think the reaction to the UnitedHealth CEO killing as well, for me, somebody who didn’t fully understand how many of the claims are, ai. I think that there was an increase by about 30% in denial of claims over only the most recent period. And I just thought ai shoots person.
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Typically, the guy that shoots them is in the wrong, and the reaction on the Internet just I I I wasn’t ready for it, and it really sort of taught me this undercurrent of dissatisfaction that almost everybody in America has with the health care system.
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Yeah. I think it’s a quiet epidemic. I think there’s been a lot of people massively affected by it, and they’re just steaming, just sitting there seething, just angry.
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Waiting for some righteous Yeah. Person to come in and do
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But then you see
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retribution. The fucking revolving door between the FDA and the pharmaceutical drug corporations where these people leave, and then also they have these amazing jobs at pharmaceutical drug companies. They’re making millions of dollars. Like, how is that legal? How is this whole thing legal?
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Like, when you realize that doctors are incentivized to medicate people, They’re financially incentivized to give people certain meh, whether it’s vaccines. They get bonuses if they vaccinate more than sixty percent of their ai, and they’d lose those bonuses if people don’t get vaccinated.
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There’s, like, a lot of creepy shit that’s involved in medicine.
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The FDA ban on compounded Ozempic started yesterday.
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Oh,
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just a ban. So So
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you have to get it from the big big companies.
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Correct. I Brigham taught me about this. I didn’t understand how it works. If there’s a shortage of a drug, compounding pharmacies are kind of allowed to just bypass patents in some way. It’s like you can produce it, and you can make it cheaper and more widely available because the supply chain’s fucked or something like that.
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And, yesterday a
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good thing for society.
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Well, to make more drugs more widely available for cheaper?
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If it’s good if it’s a very important pharmaceutical drug that could save people’s lives.
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Imagine
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imagine not letting compound pharmacies make it for people that can’t get it.
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Yeah. Or can’t afford it or don’t have the insurance for it.
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So, yeah,
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I mean, that that came into effect. I think tazepatide got popped yesterday. And then, partway through April, semaglutide is gonna go as well.
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Yeah. That’s all just eliminating competition. Right?
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Mhmm. Well, we need to think, you know, all of the people that are using these drugs shah are losing weight with them, whatever, we need to think about who the real, sort of people suffering from this situation are, who are the stock owners of telehealth companies. If you own HIMSS or whatever
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Yeah.
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The stocks ai by a lot. But, dude, I’ve been thinking so much about Ozempic recently, and, I think the introduction of Ozempic proves how much of a scam the body positivity movement was all along.
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Mhmm.
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You look at the Golden Globes and all of the women that were supporting their bigger sisters, as soon as there was an easy route to being able to Gaunt. As to being able to become a skeleton, they look like this. Look like this guy here.
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They all get those sucked in cheeks and the eye sockets suck in. Yeah. It looks really creepy.
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It was it just shows how flimsy your principles are that it was easier for you to say, I can’t win this particular game, therefore, the game is rigged. Like, if you can’t get what you want, you have to teach yourself to want what you can get and then proclaim to everybody else that they should get it too.
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Yes.
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And, yeah, the Golden Globes, you just got these fucking the skeleton motherfuckers walking around. And, yeah. I mean, they women of Hollywood are now facing the same dilemma that dudes who go to the gym have had for decades because it’s pointless losing weight naturally. Why would you lose weight naturally? Because everybody’s gonna accuse you of having used Ozempic in any case. Same thing as a dude.
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If you gain weight as a guy and you get jacked, really jacked, if you really discipline yourself, you know, multiple years, progressive overload, time under tension, hitting your protein goals, getting enough sleep, What your friends and the people of the Internet will say is, yeah, dude.
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Easy if you take trenbolone. Saloni it’s the exact same. So what is the incentive for anybody to lose weight naturally? Now apart from Ai have some concerns about the drugs and the side effects and so on and so forth, Socially, there is no incentive for you to lose weight naturally.
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Meh when Adele lost all that weight?
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Uh-huh. They
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didn’t meh at her. In the before time she did it in the before times, dude.
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Right.
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She did it hard. Yeah. She did it the fucking yeah. Exactly. Way. Yeah. Exactly. Extreme difficulty. Yeah. But, yeah, now Now she’s hot. Do you remember when she did that Jamaica thing? She came out and she had all of her hair, like, done like ai. Yeah. But, yeah, there’s this odd, like, Pascal’s wager that you have to make where you think, I can either lose weight normally or without assistance.
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It’s gonna be more difficult, and people are gonna accuse me of using Ozempic in any case. Or I can just take it and it’ll be easier and they’ll accuse me of it if nothing changes.
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Yeah. I’m in favor of Ozempic for people that are morbidly morbidly obese. I think anything that can get you on the path. And I think if you can combine that, if you can say, okay, this is what I’m doing, so I’m gonna do this, and then I’m gonna start an exercise program. And then you wind up losing thirty, forty pounds. You feel better. You look better.
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Mhmm.
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If you can continue this exercise program, you’ve at least put a healthy thing in your life along with Ozempic. I think that’s critical. Because also that’s sai that can mitigate some of the negative effects of one of the things that we’re seeing is that people are losing a lot of muscle mass and a lot of bone mass.
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As much as 30% of the weight that people are losing is muscle and bone. And, that I think could probably be mitigated with regular strength training. You know, you’re only hearing about this from people that aren’t strength training.
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Have a fitness regime.
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Right. Right. But which is the majority of these people that need this to be a first place?
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Ai the first place. Right. Sai Johann Hari did a really great book on this. You had Johann Yes.
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On a bunch of times.
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You wrote this book called Magic Pill, and he’s got, just a really nice takeaway. He says, if you’re under BMI of thirty and you’re trying to lose weight, go fuck yourself. Like, if you’re between thirty and thirty five, there’s probably a value judgment you need to make. And if you’re over thirty five BMI, the cost benefit analysis seems to sort of work in your favor. Yeah. Yeah.
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People are losing more, muscle and bone mass from using Ozempic than you would typically if you were not using that. But I think that that’s just largely a selection criteria for the sort of people that are using Ozempic to help them lose weight, that they’re not having they’re they’re so heavily calorie restricted
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Mhmm.
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That they don’t need to have a fitness program. Right. They don’t have to really change their diet. I learned this Johan taught me this thing. It’s super interesting. Gastric band surgery, after people have that, the suicide risk is is pretty high. And sometimes it’s because of these surgeons that leave the gauze in or, you know, like, leave a scalpel or, like, a fucking cigar end in.
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These complications that can happen physically. But the other thing that happens is these people used food as their coping mechanism for how they would feel better.
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Right.
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And their ability to eat and their appetite has gone away, but their psychological issues have not.
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And they don’t have a coping meh.
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They’ve no longer got this outlet.
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Right. And then there’s the issue also, you’re not gonna feel as good because your body’s not absorbing nutrients correctly. You’re missing some of your stomach. You know? It’s ai your stomach fills up quicker because they removed part of it. Ai, that can’t be good just for overall metabolic health.
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Like, you’re you’re you’ve diminished your body’s ability to break down food. That just can’t be good. Mhmm. And there’s other ways to do it. There’s other ways to do it. It’s ai, there’s a gambling term that you gotta get better the same way you got sick.
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So, like, say if you and I were playing, pool and we’re playing for a hundred dollars a game
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k.
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And you’re up five games, you’re up $500. And I sai, next game for $500. And you go, no. You gotta get better the same way you got sick.
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Oh, that’s interesting.
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You can’t just win one game and now you’re even. Mhmm. And they’re like, come on. What are you, pussy? Are you scared? Like, no. That’s not how this works.
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I lost one at a time. You’re not needing it all back.
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You went down a dark road and you missed a lot of shah, and now you’re fucked. And I’m not gonna let you off the hook with one easy thing. I might do that if it’s ai, okay. You put up a thousand, and I’ll put up 300. Mhmm. We’ll see that.
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You speak it in my Yeah. Yeah. If you reflect in the odds where we’re at financially at the moment.
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Yeah. You got a jacket in my favor. Well, I’m willing to make a risk.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s a it’s a strange I think another thing with Ozempic, I have this theory that I think thin people are more prejudiced against people that use Ozempic than fat people are. So, typically, you would sai, hold stay stay with me.
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I think you’re right.
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So you would have imagined and this did happen. Some areas of the body positivity movement said that it was denying their right to exist, that it was ai erasure, you know, that you’re losing your bigger brothers and sisters. I don’t know. But they’re not actually threatened in the same way as, in weight people are. Yeah.
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So I’m aware that losing weight through Ozempic is not the same as getting in shah, especially if you don’t do the health and fitness regime, if you don’t do the resistance ai. You end up gone skinny fat, you know, jowls, big cheeks, all that stuff. But the signal of being in shape let’s just take that as being in shah. Right?
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Like a normal BMI. The signal of being in shape is usually a reliable indicator of what you’ve done to have to get there.
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Right.
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Disciplined, reliable, able to do hard things, self motivated. Consistent. Consistent, stick to a routine, conscientious, industrious, all of these things. Yeah. So you look at somebody who’s in shape and you think, I can infer from your body a lot of things about who you are beyond just your body.
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I actually think that this is one of the huge benefits that most people don’t realize about getting in shape if they wanna attract a a partner or whatever. It’s sure. The body looks great when you take the clothes off, but what does it signal about your personality, about your underlying values, and and Right. What you do?
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Now the problem with the introduction of easier routes to being in shape is that it’s completely derogated the signal. The signal is now no longer reliable.
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Right.
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Because previously, the signal said Ai had to jump through all of these different hoops. Well, now how do you know if they’ve jumped through all of those hoops or if they’re just shooting Ozempic once a week? Right. And I think that this explains why a lot of people who are in shape have a real visceral reaction. Now, sure, lots of people are concerned about the drugs.
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Fen Phen was this thing in the nineties that fucked people up.
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It was speed.
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Yeah. I mean, it’s a good way to lose weight.
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I I knew a girl who was on it. She was a very pretty girl that was a little heavy. And then, got on the Fen Phen and just wanted to talk to everybody, couldn’t stop talking, and got real thin. I was like, this is crazy. And then she developed a heart problem.
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Oh. Yeah. That she
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kept for the rest of her life, I believe. I don’t know her anymore, but, I ran into her a couple years later, and she was telling me she has a heart
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problem. There’s been no free lunch in weight loss ever yet. No. And I think that people are looking at, at the GLP ones and thinking, where’s the side effect? When’s it coming? What’s it gonna do?
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Oh, there’s tons of side effects. It depends upon the person because, obviously, people are very different biologically. Everyone has a different tolerance to alcohol. People have different tyler to foods, and and you’re gonna have different tolerances to medications. And, I have good friends that have had horrible side effects from Ozempic.
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They tried it. They got on it. It’s ai. Pancreatitis? Yeah. I got a buddy of mine who was in he was in bed for two weeks.
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He was really sick. And, I know several other people that just feel terrible when they take it, and they had to get off of it. It was really fucking with them. And then I know other people that have taken it, Like, a buddy of mine that works sai the UFC, we’ve ran into him the other day.
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I’m like, dude, you look fucking great. And he’s like, yeah. I got on Ozempic. Fuck it. I just went for it. I was like, hey, man.
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And he had a whole plan.
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He’s
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gonna get down a certain weight, and then he’s gonna taper off. Transition. And he you know, but he looked great. He looked great.
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56:52
You seen Alex Jones?
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Yeah. But Alex is not on anything.
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I know. So He’s not
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always epic at all. He’s just he works with my friend Sai.
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On it? Yeah. I’ve been watching I’ve been watching him train. I’ve been watching him train on a Tuesday, not watching him train. He trains when I train. I’m not following Alex Jones around. And he’s Likely story. Getting after it. I know that’s exactly what someone from the Deep State would say.
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Do you know him? Did or did you see him there?
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I’ve spied him over the far side.
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You never had a conversation with him?
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I once saw him when I did Tim Pool’s show in the RV outside of the Infowars car park.
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Oh, yeah. I did that.
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Yeah. You it was the same week. That was the first week I was ever in Austin. It was three and a bit years ago. Sai remember that ai.
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That was fun. Alex is a lovely person.
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He really is.
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He’s working really hard in the
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gym. If he just had that one thing that he didn’t talk about, that’s it. It’s that one thing. Everything else has been mostly right about.
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You know what I should have said? Alex Jones is, like, the fucking patient zero for if you lose weight by going to the gym and working out and changing your diet, people are just gonna say it was Ozempic.
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No. People think he’s a totally different person. They think they’ve replaced Alex Jones with someone else.
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Is this what did David Ai have a pop at Alex Jones recently?
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Did it?
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Who did David Ick get in trouble with, Jamie? Was that I feel like there was some it was somebody else in that sort of a world. But, yeah, I mean, if the reptile people like, it does it gets a bit reptile y when you get down to the tyler body fat percentage.
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David Icke, I saw something. He got upset that I’ve never had him on the shah. And it’s just the reptile stuff. It’s just the the shah shifter stuff. I would still have him on. I think fascinating just to try to pick some of those ideas
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Oh, but what’s interesting?
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Or listen to them.
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Even if you don’t believe in the ideas, what’s interesting is how does somebody arrive at them. Right. That’s what’s fascinating to meh. When I do my show, I speak to someone. I’m ai, I wanna understand the psychology of how you have arrived at this particular position.
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Well, imagine if it’s real. Ai mean, if if shah shifters were real, if there really are evil reptilian aliens and they’ve infiltrated our society and they’ve been pulling the strings forever and only a couple of people knew, How ridiculous would that idea be? How ridiculous it would be so ridiculous. But is an alien shah shifter, you know, reptile person?
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Is that any weirder than the most recent theory that our entire universe is taking place inside of a black hole that’s in another universe? Yeah. There’s recent calculations that are leading these Sai guess, it would be astrophysicist, like, who would who would be studying this?
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To believe if you see sai if you can find it, Jamie. It’s the most bizarre ai. Because you’re like, what the fuck are you saying? Like, the whole universe is inside of a black hole? New NASA data hints we could be living inside a black hole. Great.
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Now, is that isn’t that weirder than reptile people? Because reptile people Those are the
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two choices.
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Reptile people’s not that weird. Right? Like, octopi have the ability to completely transform their appearance and instantaneously adapt to an environment. Why wouldn’t we assume to some super advanced species from another planet that would be, we would be horrified if we saw their real face, they just transform and look like the Queen of England.
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Meh. And go sideways like that. Yeah. Fuck. Do you know what a Boltzmann brain is? Have you ever heard of this? No. Okay. So, in an infinite universe, infinite, there is only, let’s say, the size of your brain. It’s, like, whatever, 20 centimeters cubed or something, maybe 30 centimeters cubed.
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Inside that space, there’s only so many ways that you can put matter together so that it creates, anything. There’s a a limited number of ways that matter can come together with different elements, different structures, different everything like that. So Boltzmann bryden suggests that across an infinite universe, there will be a brain the exact same as yours, the exact structure as yours that comes into existence for a moment and then goes away.
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And the reason that you could be experiencing the world that you are now, all of your memories, your past, your history, the person that you think you are, is that you were a Boltzmann brain that just comes into existence and then goes. Oh, I big Boltzmann.
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Do you come into existence and then go away? Why don’t you just exist somewhere else?
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You could exist somewhere else, but this brain appears just spontaneously because in an infinite universe, there is only so many different ways that you can piece matter together.
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Right.
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And it means that if you it’s the monkey’s typewriter thing. It’s the exact same as that, but for the way that matter is constructed. It’s basically, like a brain in a vat idea, but using infinite physics to kind of explain it.
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The way it was explained to me is that if the universe is truly infinite, not only is there another version of you somewhere, but there is another version of you that did the exact same thing you have done every step of the way. Every time you sneezed, every hesitation before you spoke your mind, every time you almost went into traffic when you didn’t realize their light was still meh, all of those things have happened in the exact same order an infinite number of times and every possible conceivable variation
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That you wore red instead of blue Yep. That you turned left instead of right.
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Yep. Went trans instead of straight. All of it. All of it. That you live in a totalitarian ai, that you live in a utopia, that you that, you know, the the Germans won the war, that yeah. All that. Everything. Everything that could possibly be different would be different in in every possible scenario. That’s what infinite means. Mhmm. It means it’s so vast.
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Ai, the craziest one to me was the concept that inside every galaxy, in the center of every galaxy is a super massive black hole, and that super massive black hole is approximately one half of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy. If you go into that super massive black so there’s hundreds of billions of galaxies. Right?
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Inside that super massive black hole is an entirely another universe filled with unit with with all sorts of different galaxies that have super massive black holes in them. You go into one of those, another universe filled Supermassive black holes, another universe filled. All supermassive black holes, each one, another universe.
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It’s just a WinZip file all the way down.
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Why is that weirder than the universe is infinite? Why is that weirder? I mean, the what just the the weirdness of what it is is so fucking insane. The idea that it’s infinite or that there’s an infinite multiverses, an infinite versions of these things inside black holes and in in in all sorts of ways that we haven’t even really figured out yet.
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That’s that’s not that much weirder than what’s real. What’s real is insane. What’s real is that the whole thing was smaller than the head of a meh. And for no understandable reason, it expanded instantaneously and became the universe that you you see in the sky today. Okay. Okay. What what the fuck are you saying?
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Ai, Hannah had a great line about that, that science requires of you but one miracle. The big bang. Mhmm. It’s a it’s a miracle. It’s it’s a what is that? What is it if it’s not that? I mean, it’s a thing of science. Yes. Okay.
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So if you can study all of the matter and you study all of the forces and all the energy and all the reasons why matter coalesces or matter expands, meh. You could probably, given enough time and enough quantum computing power, figure out what’s causing everything to compress down smaller than the head of a pen and then explode.
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But it’s still crazy. It’s it’s even if you can you you had some scientific explanation for it. It’s fucking insane.
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I got into supervoids. So there’s Oh, yeah. The Bueta’s Super Void. Yeah. So arya of the universe that have big absences of matter, way more Yeah. Than there should be. And the
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Thank you.
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The, Bueta’s Super Void is the biggest one. I think a ton six one one eight or something is one of the biggest stars or one of the biggest black holes, and then this Buehte’s Super Void is because you would expect homogeneity Yeah. Across the universe. Things should be distributed pretty evenly.
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No.
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01:05:19
So what’s this big hole here? Jamie, can you try and find a a booties Buettas
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01:05:25
subavoid thing?
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01:05:25
Videos that show you the size of Earth and the size of our sun and the size of other sana?
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01:05:31
You realize just how fucking insignificant you are.
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The suns that are as big as our galaxy? Like, what the fuck? Yeah. What the fuck?
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01:05:39
Yeah. Yeah. I’d I’d I don’t know if
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there’s suns that big, but there’s definitely suns as big as our solar system.
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01:05:45
Well, looking at the night sky gives you a really wonderful piece of perspective. Mhmm. Right? It reminds you just how puny and insignificant you are.
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I think that’s a giant problem with our ai that light pollution keeps us from seeing that all the ai. And
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01:05:57
The mysterious hole in the universe that’s billions of times larger than the Milky Way. Yeah. So go one left. A list of voids, Jamie. Yeah. That one.
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Just big holes.
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01:06:09
Yeah. So you should not have it should be more evenly distributed. Yeah. And, yeah, the Bueta’s void, you know, this huge lack. Yeah. In the middle of it’s so cool.
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01:06:24
Imagine you take a left turn in a spaceship and you’re Fuck.
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01:06:26
Fuck up. Not here. Not the Bueta’s super void. Not again.
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01:06:29
And then Goddamn it. You you can’t land for a hundred million years.
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01:06:33
Yeah. Dude, I had, I had Matthew McConaughey on the show toward the back end of last year, and we talked about Interstellar’s tenth year anniversary. That show is still that that movie is still my favorite movie of all time.
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01:06:44
It’s an amazing movie. I just saw it again, like, a couple weeks ago.
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01:06:47
Me too.
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01:06:47
It was incredible. It’s so good. It’s so weird. Such a weird movie.
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01:06:52
Nolan’s a fucking king.
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01:06:53
He’s a wizard.
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01:06:54
Everything that he does
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01:06:55
Yep.
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01:06:56
What’s the new one he’s what’s his new movie that he’s in?
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01:06:58
The Odyssey, I think.
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01:06:59
Oh, yeah.
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01:07:01
Yeah. What is The Odyssey? Like the Homer. Like the
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01:07:04
Oh, god. Really?
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01:07:05
Oh. I don’t know that story either, so I’m kind of
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01:07:08
Yeah. I don’t either.
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01:07:09
Part of
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me knows that I should have read it, and part of me is glad that I didn’t. So I guess it I don’t know how it finishes. I don’t know how it ends.
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01:07:15
Yeah. I think I probably read it in high school, but I’ll remember it.
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01:07:19
This is all we got, I think, because
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this picture of Matt
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01:07:21
Damon in this outfit.
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01:07:22
Oh, he’s gonna kill it.
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01:07:23
He already complains that it’s not historically accurate, blah blah blah.
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01:07:26
Why? Because it’s Matt Damon?
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No. Because that’s not what the armor would’ve looked ai, apparently. It would’ve
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he wouldn’t have been able
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to see his face, apparently. But
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Oh, really? Yeah.
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But not Makes for a shit movie. Yeah. Exactly. You know what I mean? Ai, that’s they’re complaining already. Obviously, the lighter. Thank you.
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Yeah. You can’t always be historically accurate,
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I guess. Yeah. But that’s all I got so far. Cast and,
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Tom Holland, Robert Pattinson. Nice.
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01:07:48
Absolutely. Stacked.
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01:07:50
Did you see, Matt Damon do Schultz’s trailer?
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Yes. I did. Yeah.
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So fucking good. Yeah. I have to say, man, that, Schultz’s most recent special is one of the best things. I gotta shout out Andrew Schult. Like, that was one of the best things that I’ve seen in so long. I thought it was fucking phenomenal. It made me cry when I saw it live here in Austin twice. I cried twice.
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Wow.
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And then I saw it again before I had him on the show the other week. I was, like, just in the back of an Uber, ai, trying to not let the taxi driver see that I’m welling up. He’s talking about his wife says something to him where she says, the thing is, honey, you don’t have problems. We have problems. I was like, it’s just so lovely.
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And him talking about his experience trying to get pregnant and all of that stuff, caused me to go and get, get sperm count done. I’m not trying to get anybody pregnant at the moment. But, How old are you? 37.
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Do you have a a number where you’d like to start breeding?
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01:08:51
Breeding? Within the next few years, I wanna start a family soon. But Do you
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01:08:55
have a gal?
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Yeah. At the moment. Meh. Sai do.
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01:08:57
How long have you been with this gal?
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Six months.
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01:08:59
Did you ever go on a trip with her?
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01:09:01
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:09:01
You gotta go on a long trip with them.
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01:09:03
Well, I I think that six months might be a little bit early just meh.
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01:09:06
No. If you wanna find out what’s up, you gotta go on a trip.
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01:09:10
Oh, you mean to work out compatibility?
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Yeah. You gotta see how they deal with travel, how they deal with stress, how they deal with restaurant. What is it can they keep up their act when you’re with them twenty four hours a day for weeks at a time?
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01:09:22
It was when I so I actually did do a week long trick trip in Jamaica and had to go from Montego Bay to Kingston twice to get my visa renewed. Now traveling through Jamaican traffic with somebody will really tell you an awful lot. Yeah. So, yeah, you’re talking about, like, a Navy Speak hell week. Yeah.
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Of trying to throw difficult shit in that. So that worked.
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01:09:40
You just need to see what people are like when they’re with you all the ai. Because people put on a show. They put on a show. You’re a handsome guy. You’re successful. They wanna impress you. They wanna pretend there’s something that you would love. And then maybe they have ideas of morphing you and changing you over ai. You know, you’re like, you get a car.
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01:09:59
Ai, it’s pretty good, but I like to update the engine. Ai do some shit to the tires, maybe change the way the interior looks. He arya changing it, and then all of a bryden, Chris is wearing different clothes. What’s going on, Chris?
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01:10:09
Gotta be careful. Ai put these glasses on. That’s why it happened. But, yeah, the I I decided to go and get a sperm count thing done. You know what a varicocele is? No. Okay. I dude, this is something that I think every single guy needs to know about. So it’s basically when you go through puberty, the way that, the veins sort of form that blow heat off from your balls, they can form in a way where they just don’t, get rid of the heat that efficiently.
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01:10:34
Your balls good. Not not enough. And it’s in fifteen percent of meh, so it’s super, super common. But fifty percent of men that go to urologist have got this. And I go in, and I’ve had these balls my entire life. I’ve had these balls. Thank you. I didn’t they’re not transplants.
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01:10:51
I’ve had these balls since puberty, and I found out at the age of 36, oh, you’ve got a medium varicocele. So the mad thing about this is you’ll know this. If you take testosterone, it plummets your sperm count. So typically, testosterone and sperm kind of work against each other in that kind of a direction.
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This is the one thing where if you get it fixed, both go up. Sai the mean change in testosterone is a 80 points.
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01:11:16
How do they fix it?
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01:11:18
They just, I’d it’s surgery. It’s a small surgery where they do an incision in your groin, and they just, fix the vasculature.
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01:11:25
Balls and surgery are two things that I don’t like together. I like both of them. I don’t think they should They
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01:11:31
should be the never the twain she’ll meh. Yeah.
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01:11:34
I Ball surgery is scary. Do you know that if you get your, you can get a dick transplant if, like, you lose your dick, but you cannot get ball transplants. You know why? No? Because you will carry the DNA of the original person. So sai if I die and you get my balls Okay. You will have my DNA.
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You will have my kids.
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01:11:53
So why can’t I have your balls?
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01:11:54
Well, you could if I gave you permission, maybe. But it’s ai accident.
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01:11:58
One ball each?
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01:11:59
I do.
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01:12:00
I was like tossing a coin.
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See whose kids make it.
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Oh, it’s like we do that.
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01:12:04
Let’s see.
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01:12:04
Let’s see. Let’s see what’s going on. Chris’.
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01:12:07
What the fuck?
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01:12:07
They come out speaking British.
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01:12:08
That would be ai if we both like, if if you had elective surgery to swap balls with a a good buddy. Like, I love you so much. I wanna swap a ball with you. Yep. And we both fall.
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01:12:17
Don’t know which one it’s gonna be for ai.
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01:12:18
It’s like because, I had a gay couple that were friends, that lived down the street from meh, and they had a kid with a surrogate, and they shot their jizz into a cup and mixed it up. So they didn’t know who’s who’s gonna be the one who has the kid. Woah.
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01:12:32
Yeah. Two men, one cup.
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01:12:34
They had to do it twice too because the first ai, the lady kept the kid. They paid her. They did the whole thing.
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01:12:40
At the
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end of it, she decided she wanted to keep the baby.
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01:12:42
Dude, the ethics of surrogacy are really interesting.
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01:12:44
It’s weird. It’s a weird thing. You’re hiring someone to take to have your baby for you, and then wealthy people are doing it so they don’t get their cooch stretched out.
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01:12:53
That was the Kardashian approach.
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01:12:55
Right? Allegedly. That’s why she did it. Well, maybe she just didn’t wanna carry babies anymore. She had a couple of them the normal way. And then but it’s ai sai much of what the child experiences in the womb. It, like, leads to this, I would imagine, this bonding thing with the woman.
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01:13:13
The baby’s inside of you. You remember feeling the baby inside of you, grows inside of you, then it comes out of you and you raise it and it breastfeeds. It’s ai this bond is I understand surrogacy if someone can’t get pregnant, if this is the only way you could have kids. I’m not saying don’t do it.
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But I’m saying it’s fucking strange because this other person is whatever anxiety they have, fear, their cortisol levels, if they’re have domestic abuse in their house, like, all that information is being transferred to the child.
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Pregnancy doesn’t just make a kid. It also makes a mother. Yeah. And, it’s dangerous. I I I’m so I mean, test tube babies. What happens if we can just create artificial wombs? You know, it’s something that’s weird. I know that people don’t get they don’t choose to be born, but somebody chooses whether or not these two sets of DNA are going to come together.
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If you’ve just got sperm donor after sperm donor and egg donor after egg donor and artificial wombs, gets to the stage where people kind of aren’t choosing who’s coming into reality that much anymore.
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01:14:18
Well, that is definitely the future. I mean, look at plummeting sperm counts. Look at, rising miscarriage rates. Look at the the problems that people are having with microplastics and the disruption of the endocrine system and pesticides and herbicides and all these different ubiquitous chemicals that are affecting people’s sperm counts and fertility.
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01:14:41
It’s sai it’s a real factor, and it’s plummeting. If you look at the if you look at, like, human beings from the last sixty, seventy years and you look at males in America where their sperm count used to be where it is now, it’s rapidly decreasing. There’s a lot of factors, sedentary lifestyle, processed foods, a lot but there’s also environmental factors that seem to be altering the actual way a child develops in the womb.
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And this is, doctor Shanna Swan’s work.
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Countdown.
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01:15:11
Yeah. Which is an incredible, just it’s an incredible book, but it’s just an incredible fact that the plastics that we use ram microwave foods and water bottles and all that stuff is literally changing the development of children. It’s changing the size of their testicles, the size of their penises, the
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Anogenital testicles.
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01:15:34
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the taint shrinks. It’s really crazy stuff, and it’s it’s it replicates what happens in mammals when they when they do these studies with rats and hamsters, and same things happen.
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01:15:45
Well, a third of all children globally are gonna be obese by 2050.
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Jesus.
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That’s the current trajectory, and one billion people worldwide are obese. So the number one form of malnutrition globally is obesity, not starvation. There’s twice as many people that are obese than are starving.
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01:16:04
That’s crazy.
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If that’s not a comment on problems of abundance Yeah. As opposed to problems of scarcity.
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Yeah. It’s not even abundance, though. It’s the food is so calorie rich and filled with shit, you know, that you just you just, you get so fat so quick. Like, if you’re eating nothing but junk food and drinking nothing but sana, as I sit here with a large Ai Coke, which I usually don’t drink, but I do occasionally.
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01:16:29
That is, ai, a Diet Coke at least doesn’t have the calories. But if you’re having a a large Coke like that like, if you have a Coke like this, what is this? A liter? This is probably a liter.
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01:16:39
Seven fifty maybe or a liter?
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01:16:40
Yeah. It’s a liter. So how much sugar is in one liter of Coca Cola? Let’s find that out.
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01:16:46
But there’s nothing in that one. Right? Which is why it’s a diet. Coke. Yeah.
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01:16:49
It’s just brain cancer. Donald Rumsfeld approved brain cancer.
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01:16:56
Ninety four point seven grams of sugar
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01:16:58
in studies. 90 Sai much sugar.
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01:17:00
4.7 ram. And people polish these things off every day. Someone’s polishing off a two liter of Mountain Dew listening to this as we speak. So that’s probably double that. So that’s hundreds hundreds of grams of sugar.
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01:17:15
The big gulps. Oh. The average American is fatter than the average American pig now. It’s true. It’s true. Average American man, 28% body fat. Average American woman, 40% body fat. Average American pig, 15 to 25% body fat.
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01:17:33
Oh ai god. Yep. I would have thought it would be higher than 28%. I think we’re doing pretty good.
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01:17:38
For guys? Yeah. Yeah.
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01:17:40
Well, I
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guess it’s it’s offset by, like, Brian Johnson and all of the Ozempic people that are just Shredded folks. Super shredded. Yeah. Exactly. And then there was that that other thing about you’re talking about kids. Is it some huge percentage of eighteen to twenty four year olds couldn’t join the military? Yeah.
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Like, seventy percent because of mental health or obesity or or, drug use or something. And half of them had two or more of these excuses Yeah. For why you couldn’t do it. And I think if you track over time the amount of military service that people have had, so much less. Now it’s so much less, and I wonder how many of the issues that we’re seeing.
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01:18:16
Even, women being attracted to guys, I think that what you want to do as a guy is try and signal, the again, the same as going to the gym. Reliable, orderly, conscientious. I can be on time. I can do hard things.
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Yeah.
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This is one of the proposed, explanations for the baby boom was that, a lot of men that did come back from war was signaling their eligibility, signaling how reliable they could be, and it made it easier for women to be attracted in that way.
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01:18:42
That makes sense. I mean, imagine a woman, you’re you’re going to get pregnant, and so you’re you’re going to be you could work for a little while, but towards the end, you’re not gonna be able to work. And then after the ai, it’s gonna be very difficult to work. So you’re reliant on this other person that, like, how well do you know this person?
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01:18:59
Did you do that ten day vacation in Jamaica with that guy?
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01:19:02
Did he go did he drive from Montego Bay to Kingston twice in bad traffic?
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01:19:05
Do you know what happens when he makes mistakes? Does he blame other people? Or does does he apologize? Like, what who is he? You know, because all that shit’s gonna come up when you get four hours sleep because the baby’s crying and and then, you know, maybe he doesn’t like his job anymore.
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He wants to quit. You know, like, you can’t quit, motherfucker. You have to feed
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01:19:23
us. Yeah.
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You have to take care of a family now. You’re not gonna just quit. What are you talking about? You don’t like your job? Show up. And I can’t imagine relying on another person like that. I mean, this is why women are so picky. Ai, when you see that 80% of the women are attracted to 20% of the meh, and that’s that’s what that is.
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01:19:46
What did you expect?
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01:19:47
What did you expect? It’s it’s hard to have your shit together. It’s hard to be kicking ass in this fucking complicated, bizarre world that we live in. It’s hard. So for a woman, of course, they’re gonna ram what about personality? Yeah. You’re a fucking lazy bitch. That’s part of your personality.
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01:20:05
Part of the reason why you’re not successful at 40 years of age has to be you. Has to be. Some of it has to be. I mean, it could be a fucking avalanche of bad luck, one thing after the other, but I would like to see that you’re making progress towards a better direction. But if you’re stuck in this modal if you’re stuck in this mindset of, you know, the world fucks me over, it’s ai never gonna no one’s gonna wanna be with you.
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01:20:33
Mhmm. No one’s gonna wanna have children with you. No one’s gonna no one’s gonna be willing to rely on you to support a family. Like, you have to get your shit together. And you have to also be attractive, which is just dumb luck. Like, you have the dumb luck of genetics.
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01:20:46
You got a good face. Oh. You know, you got a good body. A lot of that’s genetics too. You know?
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01:20:53
Like, what they like and what they don’t like is mostly about breeding. It’s mostly about, is this person reliable to breed with?
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01:21:04
It’s interesting to think about the, you mentioned earlier on about going to the gym is right wing and collecting fast cars is right wing and all the rest of it. The number of liberal women that are struggling, I think, to find an eligible partner is going up because they just can’t find a guy that’ll hold the door open for them, that’ll treat them like a lady, that’ll try and be the protector ai pro creator thing.
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01:21:23
You go, you’re talking about a conservative. You’re talking about somebody who’s more traditional in that way. And, I get worried. You know, I sort of talk a lot about this stuff on the show, and I get worried about not helping men to improve in this sort of zero sum view of empathy that if you give some attention to men and the way that they’re struggling, that it takes it away from some other more deserving group.
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01:21:49
So a lot of the time, if if someone’s falling ai, fifty years ago, tyler nine gets introduced, right, for women. It’s not if women in higher education. It’s not if women expediting them through socioeconomic status. Fifty years later, they’ve blown the fucking roof off the glass ceiling. It doesn’t exist.
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01:22:05
Two women for every one man completing a four year US college degree by 2030. Women earn way more than men do in their twenties. Way more. And now how are you it’s gonna be difficult for you to find an eligible partner as you begin to climb up your own socioeconomic ladder as you get higher and higher up.
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01:22:23
You look across and there are fewer and fewer men
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01:22:26
Oh, yeah.
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01:22:26
Over that. And what you think is, okay. Well, typically, if a group is falling behind in society, we don’t tell them to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. We spend billions of money in taxpayer funded charities and think tanks to try and work out what’s going on and to try and bring them along for the ride.
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01:22:43
That’s not happening with men because vestigially for so long, men had it so good. Yeah. And now it’s I don’t know. It feels like, twisting the knife in some sort of karmic retribution
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01:22:55
Mhmm.
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01:22:56
In a way. Like, this is penance
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01:22:59
Yeah.
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01:22:59
That you’re paying. But a lot of guys you you can look at the number of CEOs and sure. Guys that outperform on the top end, yep. But that’s not necessarily due to privilege. It’s because putting yourself in that position to do what you need to do to get yourself to the position of being a founder, being a CEO, having running a successful company is so fucking insane that most women would just choose to not go and do that.
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01:23:19
You’re talking about outliers. Evolutionary psychology says that men and nature’s playthings, that there’s more variability. There’s more male geniuses, but there’s also more male retards. And it’s all well and good pointing to the number of CEOs and and Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and all the rest of it.
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01:23:35
That doesn’t help the guy who is really struggling and has had that run of bad luck and has been really struggling ai to work on himself. And, yeah, If women have a problem, a lot of the time ai sai, what can we do to fix ai? Any other group. But if men are struggling, we say, what is it that men are doing where they can’t fix themselves? Yeah. And in some ways, that’s inspiring.
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01:23:56
Like, guys want that sense of, like, I can fucking do this. I can do this. But it denies that there’s structural problems. I think the education system for young boys is really, really tough. Getting them to sit in a classroom still for sai hours a day.
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01:24:08
Seems like females are just better at doing that. Young girls are more effective at a sort of brain based economy, highlighting and and and planning ahead of the homework that they’ve got to do and the assignments and stuff like that. And you just roll that forward. Two women for every one man completing a four year scholarship degree.
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01:24:26
Then I’m not saying, oh, let’s rip women out of the classroom and out of the boardroom and put them back into the kitchen. Like, obviously not. Obviously, that’s not what either of us is saying.
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01:24:34
What do you think is the cause of it? Like, what do you think is the reason why more men aren’t succeeding and getting college degrees and more men aren’t going out and making as much money in their twenties?
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01:24:46
I think that the current environment does not necessarily lend itself to the disposition that men have got. So they’re less conscientious than women from a personality standpoint on average. That means that it’s really difficult comparatively on average for you to be able to remind yourself that you need to do the sort of homework.
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01:25:05
Men have more predisposed to addiction. They’re more predisposed to using recreational drugs. They’re more predisposed to being in jail, to all of this sort of gang stuff that people get drawn into. It’s just more likely for guys. There are more roots that men can be pulled away in that sort of a manner.
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01:25:21
And on top of it, I don’t think that there is a particularly inspiring, vision for what men is. But you said earlier on about fitness right wing, fast cars right wing. There was this, thread on Reddit, I think, in a left leaning forum that said, people of the left, can you give me a good example of who you think a positive male role model would be?
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01:25:43
The top voted one was Aragon from Lord of the Rings.
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01:25:51
What about Fabio?
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01:25:52
You’ve had to go to a fantasy land Right. In order to be able to find somebody who’s sufficiently pure. And I think that, you know, this is one of the issues that we see on the left, which is there is no level of purity or the level of purity you need to be able to get to is so high.
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01:26:07
Doesn’t exist.
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01:26:08
How many people have gone from left to right? I I left the left type thing like that.
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01:26:14
Quite a few.
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01:26:14
How many people have gone from right to left?
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01:26:16
Very few.
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01:26:18
Why? Because if you have got a slightly fettered past, if you maybe said things in in the past that didn’t agree with where we are now, the right will welcome you with open arms, but the left won’t.
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01:26:29
Why do you think that is?
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01:26:31
I think that there is a level of puritanism on the left where they are unprepared to they’re unprepared to accept people who have had, positions that they don’t agree with. There seems to be this odd purity spiral where they’re constantly trying to point out people who are no longer agreeing with the, ideology du jour
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01:26:53
Right.
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01:26:53
Of the modern world. What do you think? Why do you think it is?
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01:26:56
I think that’s probably a factor. I also think that corporate America, this the the whole structure of it with human resources and people working together, it’s just ai, it’s not necessarily what men want. What men want if if you want men to work in the best environment possible for men, they would work with mostly meh.
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01:27:17
And they would probably be able to speak and communicate in a way that they did on Mad Meh. You know, they’d they’d act like men. Mhmm. Like, men like to act like men. Most men that are involved in corporate life act like some strange character that is what a man is supposed to be, especially if you’re supposed to espouse all the lace latest social justice, you know, whatever the mantra is that you have to repeat.
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01:27:49
If you if you have to rigidly adhere to an ideology in order to fit in with your corporate environment, you’re going to do vatsal. And you’re gonna be trapped in that, and you’re gonna just desperately want some escape. That’s why CEOs wind up going to dominatrix and getting fucking ball gagged and kicking the balls and shit.
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01:28:07
Mhmm.
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01:28:07
Like, what do you think that is? It’s like ai they need something something wild to escape from the the mundane existence that they have in the corporate world.
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01:28:16
That person that’s in control all the ai, so privately I need to be out of control.
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01:28:19
It’s just not compatible for most meh, like that type of environment. The the the a work office environment is not it’s not compatible. You don’t nobody wants to do that. What you want is the rewards of that. You want the money. Mhmm. You know, you want success. You want status.
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01:28:37
You want all those things. You want the corner office. But what you don’t want is to work in that environment. If you could choose to make the same kind of money doing things that you love to do, having fun, ai, if all these corporate CEOs could make as much money playing golf, I bet they would play golf.
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01:28:52
I I don’t think they really wanna be doing that. They’re doing that because it’s the way in order it’s it’s the way to succeed and the way to make money. And it feels like hell. Feels like hell. You’re stuck in traffic every day. You’re stuck in the office. You’re not working eight hours a day if you wanna really make it.
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01:29:09
And this is the this is like the why the wage gap between men and women was such an insidious ai. Because they were always saying women make 75¢ to every dollar a man makes. And people speak that without understanding what it actually means. No. It’s it’s job choices and hours worked. Those are the primary factors that lead to men earning more money than women.
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01:29:29
It’s it’s not a man and a woman are doing the same job and someone rips off the woman ai only giving her 75¢ to what the man works. If that was the case, and they The woman doesn’t employ women. Yeah. You would only employ women. Because women, you’d pay them less, they do a better job anyway.
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01:29:44
Right, ladies? So there you go. It’s it’s nonsense. And but that thing that Obama repeated on television, I remember watching him say that going, he knows better than this. This is bullshit. This is a bullshit statistic. But it’s sai it’s a heartstring statistic. Mhmm. It it plays Good headline. Yeah.
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01:30:00
It it plays on your what you want to believe rather than what’s true. And women have to take time off ram maternity leave. They have to they you know, if they get pregnant, it’s gonna significant significantly impact the amount of hours they’re willing to work. They might not want to do the job anymore. Once they’re raising their children, if their husband’s making enough money, they probably wanna quit.
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01:30:20
They wanna be at home with their kids. It’s a normal thing. And then a lot of women who are career corporate women are shamed for wanting to stay home with their children.
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01:30:28
Yeah. Oh, you’ve been conned by the patriarchy into being a domestic prostitute. Oh. So, I was talking to was it Schultz that said this? I think it was. He’s telling me on the show. He sai, that his wife used to work at Google, I think. She’s, like, super high powered, real smart lady.
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01:30:44
And, she used to bump into her old colleagues in the supermarket when they were together. And the classic question that somebody that’s in the career trenches asks somebody else is, oh, oh, so what are you doing now? You left you left work. What what are you doing now? And Schultz said this sentence that his wife replied with would fucking kill him. She says, oh, I’m just a meh.
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01:31:04
Uh-huh. He
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01:31:05
said it’s the just that really hurt. I’m just a mom.
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01:31:10
Well, that’s how you feel ai you’re you’re supposed to admit that you’re just a mom.
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01:31:15
That fucking hurts, dude, to derogate the people that are literally raising the next generation. Yeah. That’s another point actually, about sort of men falling behind. I think it seems like young boys are more negatively impacted by fatherless homes than young girls are. Mhmm.
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01:31:31
So any boy that grows up in an in intact, a non intact, household is more likely to end up in jail or prison than they are to complete college Yeah. In The US. Yeah. Any non intact that’s adopted, step parent, single parent, any non intact home, they’re more likely to end up in jail or in prison than they are to complete college.
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01:31:54
Yeah. And the same statistic is not true for girls. And this again, the zero sumness of the so what do you say? You’re saying that we need to we need to hold girls back? It’s ai, no.
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01:32:05
You do not need to hold one group back in order to be able to raise another one up. We spent fifty years really pedestalizing and and helping take the reins off of young girls sai that socioeconomically, they can look after themselves. They’re no longer financial prisoners.
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01:32:18
Right.
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01:32:18
Of their partner, which is a big deal. You’d look at the divorce statistics from the past and proclaim it as some, you know, amazing cultural outgrowth. And you go, how many women stayed in those relationships because they fucking couldn’t afford to leave?
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01:32:30
Right.
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01:32:30
They had no other option
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01:32:31
Mhmm.
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01:32:32
To do that. That’s scary.
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01:32:33
That’s scary. That’s why women are so picky, and they should be. Yep. That’s yeah. It’s it’s also crazy that we put value in our lives on money above everything, including above doing a good job raising your children. You put the money that you earn above that, and you just get daycare during the day. I’ll be home at six. That’s fine.
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01:32:58
That’s plenty of time to be with my kid. And there’s a lot of people that live their life by that and their ledger, when they they look at the amount of money that they’ve earned, that’s what that’s the reward.
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01:33:09
It’s the greatest metric in the world, though. It’s the most easy to optimize thing. Like, I can tell you the size of the house that I live in. I can tell you how much money I am per year. I can tell you what the car is like that I drive. Ai can’t tell you how much peace I have when my head hits the pillow at night.
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01:33:23
Right.
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01:33:23
I can’t tell you what the quality of the relationship between me and my wife or me and my kids is. Yeah. I can’t tell you how much time I got to spend in a hammock last week. You know, these are the things Ai think that if you were able to metric it, if you’re able to make it a game, people would be able to pay an awful lot more attention to it.
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01:33:38
Yeah. But the money is the best game in the world. It’s literally transfer currency exchange. You can exchange. I know what your wealth is compared with that guy in Japan, compared with that dude in Russia, compared with this person that’s Australian. Whole world.
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01:33:50
It’s the best game ever created.
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01:33:52
And it’s the game that so many people use to show their value. I mean, it’s not just your the richness of your life, the happiness that you have, the fulfilled feeling that you have when you do whatever you it is that you do. We feel like you have a sense of purpose. No. That’s not can’t can’t quantify that. Can’t measure it. Can’t put it on a scale. It’s useless.
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01:34:15
Meanwhile, it’s the most important thing.
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01:34:17
Mhmm.
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01:34:17
The most important thing is satisfaction. Satisfaction in your life, community, love, friendship, happiness, a sense of purpose. Like, you enjoy what you do. That’s so important for life. Mhmm. If you are just doing something you don’t want to do just for money, you live in hell. And that’s most people.
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01:34:35
Most people live in this, like, dull hell, and they try to have fun while they’re at work. They try to, you know, have people that they talk to at work. Hopefully, you make some good friends at work, and you can enjoy your chitter chatter at the water tyler. But the reality of that life is just mostly suck.
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01:34:53
There’s a lot of problems, I think, that people that are driven face that, don’t get that much sympathy. So I had this idea that, type a people have type b problems, and type b people have type a problems. So, insecure overachievers need to learn how to chill out, and lazy people need to learn how to work hard and be more disciplined.
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01:35:12
And, you know, most people that listen to shows like yours or mine are probably some version of type a, like a a kind of walking anxiety disorder harness for productivity. That’s true.
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01:35:25
That’s a great definition.
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01:35:27
It is. That’s really accurate. I think the thing that type a people realize is that if you’re type a, you get very little sympathy because a outwardly successful but miserable person is way less or always appears to be in a much more preferential position than a content being lazy, but on the verge of bankruptcy one.
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01:35:47
Right.
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01:35:48
You know what I mean?
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01:35:48
Right.
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01:35:49
Right. So problems of opportunity will always get less sympathy than ones of scarcity.
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01:35:54
Mhmm.
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01:35:55
Like, one feels like a choice, and the other feels like a limitation. One is like a a bourgeois luxury and the other is like a systemic imposition. You know? I need someone to teach me how to switch off and relax, feels dopaminergic and opulent and addicted and and privileged.
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01:36:13
I need someone how to to teach me how to work harder. Feels noble and upward aiming and and, like, you’re supporting you’re supporting the the downtrodden. Like, every underdog movie in history has a training montage of some guy down on his luck Yeah. That gets saved by the right woman or a Japanese dude that teaches him to wash cars or whatever it is.
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01:36:35
And through grit grit and spit and sawdust, he sorts himself out.
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01:36:39
Yeah.
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01:36:39
And he fixes his life. Yeah. No movie explains how to log out of Slack at 6PM
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01:36:45
Right.
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01:36:45
Or spend a day at the beach without feeling guilty.
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01:36:48
Right.
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01:36:48
And sai, yeah, I think in that sense, type a people may objectively have better lives. But subjectively, they’re ravaged by the sense that they’ve never done enough.
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01:37:02
Right.
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01:37:03
They wake up every single morning feeling as if they’re already trying to repay some productivity debt. And only if they dance through the day completely perfectly, nail every single task can they go to bed not feeling like a waste man. Yeah. That’s where they’re at. Congratulations. You might be very successful. You also might be very miserable.
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01:37:25
You’re most likely gonna be miserable. That’s the the cold hard reality of most CEOs. Most really wealthy people, when you see them pull up in the yacht, they’re fucking living hell.
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01:37:36
I think when you look at people that are super outlier performance, you should probably your first emotion should not be envy. It should be pity. Should think, what’s that person what’s it like inside of that person to drive them to do what they did to themselves?
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01:37:53
Mhmm.
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01:37:53
To put them in that position? What’s what’s their background like? What happened in their childhood? What do they think about their own sense of self worth?
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01:38:01
Yeah. In order to how much Adderall are they on?
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01:38:04
The old performance enhancer. Well, the testosterone for the businessmen.
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01:38:07
It’s not just performance enhancer. I think it changes the way you you approach things. I think Have you
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01:38:13
ever taken it?
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01:38:14
No. No? No. I’m scared of I’m scared of speed. I’m scared of anything that I think I would really like.
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01:38:21
Yeah. You haven’t done cocaine for the same reason. Right?
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01:38:23
Yes. Yeah.
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01:38:24
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:38:24
Well, I was very lucky when I was in high school. I knew some people that had problems with it. And
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01:38:29
Big warning sign.
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01:38:30
Yeah. Well and back then, I was very driven. Like, I didn’t even party really. I I only wanted to meh good at martial arts. I was so driven that I didn’t wanna do anything that would interfere with anything else.
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01:38:42
What was it that drove you? Ai? Why why this drive for so long?
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01:38:49
It’s probably a lot of factors. I mean, I got into it because I didn’t wanna get picked on because I didn’t know how to fight, and I would be nervous around bullies. I didn’t know what to do. And I’m like this, I don’t like this feeling at all. Like so I will become what everyone’s afraid of. So I’ll do that.
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01:39:03
And then when I got into it, I realized that first of all, I realized that I could get really good at things. I realized that whatever drive that I had and whatever thing about fighting, which was so scary to me, why ai was so appealing to me at at the same time. And I realized that it was like a vision quest.
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01:39:22
I was on this quest to try to figure out how to harness my potential and what better way than to do something that’s very difficult and very scary. And then if you could get really good at something very difficult and very scary, you could probably master life.
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01:39:38
So you had this, gateway drug through martial arts Yeah. That was a a proof to you that you could self author?
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01:39:45
Yes. Yeah. Proof that I wasn’t a loser. For for me, it was ai that I could be successful.
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01:39:50
Where did that I’ve heard you say that before about the the loser thing. Where did that fear come from? Well, did you feel powerless as a kid at some point?
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01:39:56
Yeah. I’m sure it comes from broken home, moving around a lot, a lot of factors. There’s a lot of lot of various factors. But it’s also just the existential angst of being a young meh, like, we you they’re looking for purpose, like, who am I? What do I do? Am I good at anything? Ai, what what gives me value? And for me, when I started doing martial arts, it was the first time that I was speak.
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01:40:21
And not just respected, ai, I remember the first time I realized that people would, gather around when I fought. I was like, woah. This is kinda crazy. Like, they’re they specifically wanna watch me ai. And that was a big deal to me. It’s ai that I was so good that people were gathering around.
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01:40:43
Really, it was they they wanted to see something horrible.
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01:40:45
Mhmm. They
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01:40:46
wanted to see someone get head kicked, you know, and they knew I did that.
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01:40:48
Reliably. You could That
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01:40:49
was reliable. Ai one in the head. I was pretty good at it. And so that that, changed meh. It changed my self reflection. It changed who I I was. I wasn’t a loser. Now I was an extreme winner and really good at it and super disciplined and driven beyond anything that I thought was possible before Ai done that.
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01:41:14
I never had, like, that kind of focus before I got into martial arts. But martial arts demanded that kind of focus because you can’t pretend. There’s no pretending you’re good. You have to be good. There’s no pretending you’re fast. You have to be fast. Mhmm. There’s no pretending to be technical.
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01:41:31
You have to be perfect. Yeah. Your technique has to be perfect because you’re fighting against other trained killers. Like, you’re not just fighting against Your
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01:41:39
weaknesses will be revealed.
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01:41:41
You’re gonna get hurt, and I saw so many people get hurt.
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01:41:44
Doesn’t matter about what you tweeted. It doesn’t matter about your beliefs stepping onto the mat.
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01:41:48
Your fucking rainbow flag that you have on your T shirt,
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01:41:51
you don’t
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01:41:51
give a shit.
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01:41:52
So on that, I think that’s a very common pattern, especially for young people who feel a little bit helpless in their life. Yeah. I find a a vector that makes me feel worthy. Yeah. You know, the the most common story of high performers, I think, is that I needed to do something to get the world to recognize me.
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01:42:10
One of the problems, I think, as people grow up is that they internalize this belief that the only way that the world will value me is if I can continue to perform at this high level. And I think that there comes some people can imbibe a type of insecurity in that that if I stop doing these things, if I stop being as impressive to the world Yes.
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01:42:33
It’s going to deny me vatsal love that it is I I I I’m gonna be unwanted, unworthy, and I think that this talking about the high ai thing, talking about the pity of the CEO, go, how much are you running towards something that you sana, and how much are you running away from something that you fear?
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01:42:50
The there’s not enoughness.
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01:42:52
Right. Right. Right. And the way I looked at it and the way I was taught was that martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential. And that through the incredible struggle of training and competing, you will learn more about your ability to excel at anything. You know, this is the Miyamoto Musashi path.
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01:43:13
And I think that the problem with, anything anything extreme but also fleeting, and athletic performance is fleeting. If you’re at the very best, you have a couple of decades, at the very best. If you’re really lucky, you have a couple of decades to define your you as a competitor. But then your body will give out. Your age will win.
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01:43:39
The the the the beating that your body takes from all the training and all the competing, eventually, you’re not gonna be able to perform at that level anymore, and you’re gonna fall off. And you see it with fighters. It’s it’s really hard with professional fighters where their whole identity is wrapped up in being a champion.
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01:43:58
Their whole identity is being the king of the hill, and then they’re no longer the king of the hill, and sometimes it happens very rapidly. Ai it happens over the course of just one or two fights. You go from being the pound for pound best in the world to a guy who nobody thinks is gonna win the title ai, like that.
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01:44:14
So six months later, you’re in a totally different reality. You’re in a depressed reality. And then maybe you are physically depressed because maybe you got really hurt in your last fight, so you’re probably suffering from some brain damage. So you’ve got endocrine disruption, your pituitary glands probably fucked, your cortisol levels are through the roof, your hormone levels are all fucked up, you might have a hard time losing weight, You know, you’re you’re you’re you’re tired and depressed because your your levels are all fucked up and your hormones because you’re you you basically got your brains beat in six months.
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01:44:46
Your capacity to fix Yeah. The very problem has been taken away from you.
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01:44:49
Yeah.
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01:44:49
And you you see it sometimes with one fight. In a with a ai, you sai, like, Tony Ferguson is, like, my favorite example, who was the boogeyman, the light heavyweight the lightweight division of the UFC for years. For years, he was the guy ai like this unstoppable force that had bottomless cardio, never stopped coming after you, and was just hell bent on destruction, and beat the fuck out of everybody.
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01:45:15
Beat the fuck out of everybody for years until he fought Justin Gaethje. And Justin Gaethje beat him so bad, he was never the same again. He was never the same guy again. He went from being a a favorite in the Justin Gaethje ai. I think he was a slight favorite going into that fight to after the fight was over, he got stopped in the later rounds and never never recovered.
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01:45:39
Went on
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01:45:39
Do you think that was a physical thing or a mental thing?
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01:45:41
Both. More physical than meh, because I think Tony’s mental his fortitude is unstoppable. He’s just got this mindset, but I don’t think his body responded the way
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01:45:54
I saw him on a stair machine with David Goggins, and Goggins is screaming at him to keep going. He gets off, throws up in a bag, and gets back on the ai machine. No.
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01:46:01
He’s an animal. His mind is unstoppable. But at a certain point in time, particularly when you’re being tested. Right? So you’re doing the USADA protocol at the ai, and now it’s a drug free sport. So there’s no peptides. There’s no there’s nothing that can aid you in recovery.
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01:46:17
There’s, you know, you you can’t supplement your hormones. You can’t recharge your hormone development. You can’t there’s there’s so many things that you can’t do because they are in fact performance enhancers that would help you recover. You know, if a guy like Tony Ferguson after that fight got on hormone replacement, got on testosterone, got his levels up pretty high, got to a point we could train as hard, he probably wouldn’t have had the the slide that he had.
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01:46:43
I think part of the slide is that everybody has to be natural. And when you’re natural and you get beat up a few times, you’re not the same person anymore. And you I’ve seen it many, many ai. One bad beating and the guy’s done. It’s a a big thing in boxing. In boxing, everybody points to, Meh Taylor is one of the best examples.
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01:47:05
Fought Julio Cesar Chavez. Shah, broke him down in the fight and then stopped him with, like, a couple seconds to go in the last round. Dropped him, and the referee called the fight with a couple seconds to go in the last round. And Mildred Taylor was never the same again. And he did interviews, after the fight and the interviews after the ai, like, a couple years later, pronounced slowing in his words.
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01:47:27
A very clear deterioration of his reflexes and his speed, very clear deterioration in his ability to take a punch and even avoid punches. His reflexes were off.
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01:47:38
Have you ever felt any TBI stuff from your heritage of doing striking?
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01:47:42
No. Not really. I’m sure it made me impulsive. I’m sure but I probably got the right amount of brain damage to succeed in life. I think so. Because it made me, not, I’m not very risk averse. I like risks. I I I enjoy them. I I get a thrill out of, taking chances. Mhmm.
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01:47:59
I’m not afraid to fail. I don’t mind because I know that failure produces some of the best results. Every time I’ve ever failed at anything, I’ve always the humiliation and the pain of it has always forced me to work so much harder. Failure in comedy is a gigantic blessing. If you have one good bombing, oh, it sucks ai sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother.
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01:48:20
But when it’s over, you realize that that can happen. You fucking tighten up your battleship. Mhmm. Some of the biggest, like, growth leaps that I’ve seen in comics and and even in fighters is, a humiliating loss.
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01:48:33
Yeah. There’s a a special category of lesson that I’ve been thinking about. It’s one that you can only learn by sort of having gone through it. And I think that bombing on stage or having a poor performance, I think that that’s one of them. So
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01:48:45
I think most of them, you only learn by going through them. You learn something from watching other people’s mistakes, which is why I’ve never done cocaine.
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01:48:53
Uh-huh. But
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01:48:53
maybe if I did do cocaine, Ai would have been sober a long time ago, and I would have had a much better understanding of the abyss.
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01:49:00
Cocaine is a performance enhancer. Yeah. It’s it’s strange. You know, no matter sort of how arduous or costly or effortful it’s gonna be for us to find out these things for ourselves, for some reason, we insist on disregarding the mountains of warnings that we have from our elders
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01:49:17
Yep.
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01:49:18
Historical catastrophes and public scandals Yep. And film and TV. And we think some version of yeah, that might be true for them Mhmm. But not for me.
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01:49:29
But not
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01:49:30
It’s the, like, watch me do this, mom Yeah. Mentality. And, yeah, we decide to learn the hard lessons the hard way
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01:49:37
Mhmm.
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01:49:37
Over and over again. And, unfortunately, it always seems to be the big things.
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01:49:40
You know?
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01:49:40
It’s never about how to charmingly introduce yourself at a cocktail party or put up a level set of shelves. It’s never that. It’s always we spend most of our lives learning firsthand the warnings that previous generations gave us over and over again.
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01:49:55
And then one day you’re like, I’m gonna throw all my money in crypto.
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01:49:58
And then you will know about that. But that’s one of them. One of them is money won’t make you happy. Yeah. Ai? Fame isn’t gonna fix your self worth. You don’t love that pretty girl. She’s just hot and difficult to get. Yeah. Yep. You will regret working too much. Worrying isn’t aiding your performance. Yeah.
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01:50:18
Nothing is as important as you think it is when you’re thinking about it. Like, over and over again, you should see your parents more. All your worries are a waste of time. Like, these Yeah. It it it’s perfectly okay to cut toxic people out of your life. Like, these are so trite.
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01:50:33
They’re such basic bitch insights because everybody has heard them before. But if they’re so basic, why does everyone who ends up arriving at them talk about them as if they’ve just had religious revelation? You know what I mean? Yes. Like, they have this further to them about why it is so important for you to listen that we couldn’t have seen this coming.
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01:50:58
How could we have seen this coming? It’s ai it is in every single fable and story from the rest of time. And I think that the one of the reasons this happens is if you don’t have a thing, looking at somebody who has that thing, they have the solution to your problem. Mhmm. If you don’t have money, you believe that by having money, you would all of your problems would be fixed. Right.
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01:51:20
If you don’t have fame, you believe that fame is the thing that’s sana get. If you don’t have the girl, you think that getting the girl is going to do those things. Yeah. And it is only by getting there and looking back and going, the issue that I thought would be fixed by getting the thing wasn’t fixed.
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01:51:36
No.
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01:51:36
Fuck. I need to look deeper. So not only do we refuse to sort of learn the lessons, if you talk about this on the Internet, if you have a rich person on who says, you know what, meh? I I earned a couple of billion dollars and, I’m still I’m still pretty miserable. You you bring some, actress on.
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01:51:52
She says, you know, all of the fame and stuff like that. It really didn’t fix my self worth. The Internet hates that. Yeah. It’s a very contentious point to bring up. And I think that we believe our particular mental makeup would allow us to dance through this minefield. Yeah. Right? No. No.
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01:52:11
No. My unique inner landscape would be solved Yes. By this problem.
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01:52:16
Especially men.
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01:52:18
Watch me dance through this minefield, avoid all of the trip ai, do a couple of pirouettes, and I won’t kick any of them. Yeah. And then you kick one. And you realize, oh, fuck. This this worry of mine was so much more deeply rooted than the thing that’s from ai. But I genuinely believe that you kind of need to learn it yourself. I don’t think you can.
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01:52:39
I’ve got Naval on the show on Sunday, and he’s got
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01:52:41
He’s great.
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01:52:42
He’s fucking phenomenal. I think that, by the way, the one that you did with him in 2019 is the best podcast episode of all time. Really? That two hours. Yeah. It’s just one I’ve gone back. Maybe it’s just, like, personally meaningful to me, but, I must have listened to that, I think, more than any other He’s
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01:52:55
very wise.
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01:52:56
He’s very
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01:52:57
Very wise person. Although, he did tell me that if he could invest more money in Clubhouse, he would’ve. And I was I was we were talking on the phone. I was like, dude, I think this is just bad podcasting. I don’t think I don’t think there’s but Clubhouse took off during the pandemic because people found themselves at home.
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01:53:16
And, you know, it’s kinda cool to be able to hop on to a call with a bunch of other people, and you’re basically sharing ideas with people you’ve never met before and intellectually sparring. Mhmm. And people loved it. Mhmm. But I was like, bro
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01:53:28
When the world reopens
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01:53:29
I did it with Tim Dillon. We did an episode once. And, and he was like, yeah, it goes out there and then, you know, no no one ever has. I go, bullshit. People are recording this right now.
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01:53:37
Mhmm.
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01:53:37
I go, it’s gonna be ai. And he was online immediately. Yeah. Immediately. I go, this is nonsense.
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01:53:41
Yeah. It’s like, at the mothership making people put their phones in the bag, but you can reopen the bag. It’s like that
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If you could reopen the
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bag. Yeah. Yeah. But you can reopen the bag. It’s like, oh, I’m allowed to do this and just take it. It’s ai, we we everything’s Yeah. Yeah. Ai it’s a real interesting one, but he’s got this quote where he says, it’s far easier to achieve our material desires than it is to renounce them. Oh.
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It’s much easier for you to drive a beat up Chevy truck if your last car was a Ferrari. Sure. Yeah. Because you’ve closed that loop. That one if I wonder what I wonder if it is the ai. Right. Even if it is the fame.
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I wonder if it is the But
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it depends on the circles you’re keeping too. Because if you’re keeping circles that are valuing those those items that show, like, you’ve achieved milestones, you know, the there’s a bunch of people that they they you know, you don’t have a Maybach?
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You know,
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you don’t have a this
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01:54:30
Keeping up at the Joneses Where’s your house? All the fucking day.
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Oh, your house is not in the best neighborhood.
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I was thinking about, why I’m attracted to some of my friends. Like, why I like to spend time with some over others. And, I sort of realized this this interesting dynamic that I hadn’t really heard get talked about much, which is we think that we want to be charismatic. Like, we think we want to step into a ram. Our stories are electric. Energy, the aura, everyone’s super impressed by us.
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I didn’t actually notice that that was the sort of people that I was choosing to hang around with. There’s this story about Jenny Jerome, who was Winston Churchill’s mother, and she gets to dine with, William Gladstone and Benjamin Disraeli, the prime minister and the, opponent, one night after the other.
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And she sai, after I left the dinner with Gladstone, I left feeling like he was the smartest person in England. And after I left the dinner with Disraeli, I felt like I was the smartest woman in England. And I think this really helps to explain why we’re why we gravitate towards certain people.
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Mhmm.
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Some people feel interesting, and around some people, we feel interesting. Yeah. And that’s my favorite sort of person. I think charisma, being charismatic, being energizing, it’s the sort of thing lots of people are seduced by. They love the sound of it, but it’s ai, like, developing real charisma. Like, Matthew McConaughey sai sit opposite this guy, and he’s fucking oozing charisma.
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But it’s way easier to be interested than it is to be interesting, and it gets you probably 80%, ninety % of the way there just by caring and
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asking questions. Yeah.
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Ai wanna know what you think about this.
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Right.
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01:56:12
That’s cool, Joe. Tell me about tell me more about that, and why do you think that you’re built that way?
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Right.
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And it helps. I mean, people just love to talk about themselves. And the other thing is you know everything that you know. You would know barely anything that the other person knows. Right. And, I mean, this is why our job is largely the most selfish one that we could do. We’ve hey, smart person. Come on here and tell me about your entire life’s work. Tell the the least educated person in the room about Yeah.
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What it is that you’ve spent your time doing.
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Yeah. And it’s also it’s very beneficial for the people that are listening, which is another service that it provides. Like, you get to be you. Like, the person listening to your podcast gets to be you as you interview these spectacular people. Mhmm. So they get to, like like, oh, yeah.
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Why why did why did you do that? And then you say, why did you do that? I’m like, yeah.
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01:57:00
Good question.
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01:57:01
That’s the question.
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You know what it feels like? It feels like watching a sports game sometimes. I think the best conversations, whether they’re around the table or a a podcast or whatever, it feels like watching a sports match and the two teams are kind of working together to get the ball in the goal.
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Mhmm. And you get all excited and you’re like, oh, he’s gonna do this. He go over head kick.
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01:57:18
Woah. That’s what
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I wanted.
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Yeah. And, yeah. If you’re ever listening to something, I’m sure that this maybe happened to people listening to this episode. Ai go, fuck. I hope he asks him about the thing. Oh, he asked him about the thing. Yeah. And, yeah, there’s this sense that there’s a third participant. Yeah.
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01:57:30
And not just Jamie in the room. Where’s Carl? Ai just realized there should be a fourth participant. Carl
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snores a lot. He’s chilling.
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01:57:40
Okay. He’s a sound risk.
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01:57:41
I see
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him a little bit.
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Sometimes he gets a little loud. And while the podcast is going on, you hear you’re, like, nudge him.
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Roll him over. Make him shut up. Yeah. I, it depends on who
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I’m talking to. Like, if I’m talking to, like, ai, a theoretical physicist there’s, like, some very difficult thing to grasp sana you hear Carl snoring, it becomes a little bit of an issue.
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01:58:03
If it’s coming through the headphones. God.
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He’s loud.
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01:58:05
Sleep train. Sleep train that dog.
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01:58:07
No. You can’t.
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01:58:08
He’s gotten older. He can handle it.
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01:58:09
He’s In his CPAP. Doggy CPAP? Fuck. Have you seen what their faces look like when the the skulls? What when is full dog skulls?
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No. Oh, it’s horrible what
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they’ve done to them.
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Through selective breeding? Yeah. Just slowly slowly.
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Just shove their fucking skull. It’s all twisted where their sinuses are, like, nonexistent. Their their their whole face is just smooshed in.
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So we can’t really complain about the snoring.
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Well, I mean, we did it to them. They used to be wolves.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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They used to be a wolf.
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01:58:39
Yeah. I, I told you about that man crush that I had last time, that unkillable soldier guy. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And, it sort of sent me down a rabbit hole. I fell in love with stories of crazy bastards from history. So I found this other dude called Emil Koivinen.
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Oh, I’ve heard of that guy.
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01:58:53
The Finnish soldier. Yeah. Yeah. So he is out on patrol with a bunch of Finnish soldiers, small group, and they come upon a Soviet force way bigger than they are. They can’t fight them, so they have to flee. As they’re fleeing, they’re skiing away through the snow, and the force is way bigger. Amos at the front.
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He’s trailblazing, trying to break free from this group, but he can’t go fast enough. If they get caught, they’re gonna be captured or killed or worse. So he needs to speed up. He doesn’t know how. He’s carrying the entire patrol ai of Pervitin.
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Now Pervitin was a German miracle drug that was used to keep soldiers awake during the war.
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Meth.
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It’s otherwise known, yep, as methamphetamine. And, he decided I mean, you might think this this wasn’t just any normal meth. Right? This was pharmaceutical grade ai human horsepower. Right? It was the most intense. So you might think tolerating the dose could be a good idea.
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There’s a rumor that apparently it had melted in his pocket, but whatever he did, he took 30 people’s worth. He took 30 soldiers worth of meh. The entire packet. Just ate the entire packet. Woah. Unsurprisingly, he manages to break away from the pursuing Soviets, and he leads his group away.
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So they they chill out on the far side once they’re finally free, and they notice that Amos behaving a little bit oddly. And he seems to be a danger to himself and to them, so they take his ammo out of his ai, and they take his knife off him, and they’re sort of putting stuff away in the pack.
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They turn around, and he’s gone. Like, fuck. Where’s Amor gone? He skis for 63 miles on his own. Just skis away. Doesn’t really know what he’s doing.
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02:00:35
He’s in this sort of fever dream thing. Lays down, goes to sleep, wakes up the next sai, no idea where he is. Doesn’t know where his group is. Doesn’t know where the squadron is. Doesn’t know where he is. Immediately, he sees a Soviet soldier over the far side, raises his rifle. Click. Fuck. They took my ammo.
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02:00:50
Holes the rifle at this Soviet soldier, and he explodes in a cloud of white dust. Turns out that it wasn’t a Soviet soldier. It was a tree branch with snow on it and that he’s actually hallucinating. So he’s in
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a
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full on fever dream now. Woah. Imagine the Soviet soldier throws the the gun at him. He explodes. He’s like, fuck. Okay. I need to I need to find my squadron. How am I gonna get back to them? So he decides to just try and navigate around for a couple of hours, and he sees him over the far side.
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02:01:18
Sees a fire, and he sees his group over the far ai, but it’s way far away. So he skis for another two hours. Turns out that it wasn’t his squadron. It was more Soviet soldiers. So he just skis straight through the middle of the camp.
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02:01:29
All of these guys immediately chase after him, but there’s no chat. Like, he’s the fucking LeBron James of meth. Right? You’re not you’re not catching this guy. So he goes straight through again.
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02:01:41
Second night, finds a hut, finds a wooden cabin in the middle of the, the snow, decides to set a fire, but he doesn’t set it in the ai. Sets it
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02:01:51
in the
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02:01:51
middle of the wooden hut. And throughout the night, he sort of shuffles himself further and further away. For some reason, his back’s getting a little bit warm, and he keeps on sort of shuffling himself further and further away. He wakes up the next morning on the outside of the hut, and it’s completely burned down.
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02:02:07
So he’s burned the only the only bit, the only structure that was gonna give him any safety. He’s managed to burn it to the ground. And as he wakes up, again, sort of may have noticed that this is a recurring theme, a wolverine attacks him. 65 pound wolverine, fucking fangs, yellow eyes, attacks him.
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02:02:26
So ammo uses his knife, kills his Wolverine, ai to the death, kills it. But then he realizes I don’t have a knife because my soldiers took it from me. It was his compass, which was the only thing he could use to navigate himself. He’d smashed his compass to vatsal, and then he looks down, and it wasn’t a Wolverine. It was a tree log.
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02:02:43
So he smashed his compass on a tree log thinking it was a 65 Wolverine. He’s still just deep deep in the hole. Continues
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to ski around.
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02:02:53
He’s trying to find someone, trying to find any way market that he can now with no way to navigate. He’s got no compass. He’s got no no weapon. I mean, the rifle that’s got no ammunition in it. He finds a Soviet forward operating base. But you’ll know this. A lot of the time when armies left these behind, they booby trapped the fuck out of them. They booby trapped everything.
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02:03:15
So he walks onto the middle of the forward operating base, immediately gets exploded by a landmine, foot gets blown. So he’s laid there in the snow ai of waiting to die, and one day later, he’s not dead. So he’s like, well, fuck it. I might as well try and get into the forward operating base. Gets up, continues to go forward, opens the door to the floor no foot? It’s damaged.
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02:03:36
It’s severely damaged. Gets toward the front of the operating base, opens the door. There’s another booby trap there that explodes him and the door, like, 20 yards backward. He just lays there in the snow waiting to die. He lays there for about five or six days waiting to ai.
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02:03:50
And he’s melting, snow in a little tin can thing, like meh it so that he can drink a little bit of water. He’s got this door on him. He thinks, well, someone’s gonna find me. It’s gonna be the Soviets. They’re gonna kill me, or I’m just gonna die. So he waits. Death doesn’t come.
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02:04:04
Three Finnish soldiers come upon him of all of the different nationalities of all of the different people. Three Finnish soldiers come upon him, and he thinks ai, through all of this time, after being confused, after getting lost, I’m gonna be saved. They say it’s okay. We can take you back. We can we can we can save you and take you back.
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02:04:18
And the front guy of the three Finns steps on a landmine, blows himself up. And the other two are like, hey, man. There’s kind of a priority list here, and you’re at the bottom and he’s at the top. So we’re gonna take him back, but just hold on for another couple of days. We’ll come back and we’ll save you.
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02:04:33
They go away, and he just thinks, they’re not gonna find me again. They’re gonna forget. They’re not gonna be able to come back. Someone’s gonna kill me before I before they do, or I’m gonna die or whatever. But they do. They managed to come back.
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02:04:43
They managed to get him, and they take him back to the Medical Bay. 14 Days was how long he’d been traveling around. He’d moved 250 miles in this time. His resting heart rate was 200 beats per minute, and he weighed ninety eight pounds. He’d survived this entire time on meth, water that he’d melted down into a tin cup, a couple of pine nut things that he’d melted to, and a single Siberian jade that he beat to death with his ski pole and just ate raw.
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02:05:17
And he lived until he was in his seventies, died in, like, 1989, and just lived a great life. Shah. I fucking love that story, dude. This meth fueled Finnish maniac just, like, skiing through everything, setting shit on fire, hallucinating, getting blown up ai, survived it. Meth’s a hell of a drug.
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02:05:36
Maybe you should have done it.
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02:05:37
Maybe I should try now. It’s amazing what was accomplished on amphetamines. I mean, Norman Oler’s book, Blitz.
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02:05:46
I love those episodes that you did with me.
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02:05:48
Yeah. Incredible. It’s just an incredible story that they they literally went through Poland in three days. Just methed out of their fucking minds. And the most the most meh was given to the people at the very front. The people that ai the tanks, they were the most cranked up.
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02:06:04
Because they’ll drive the rest of the Yeah.
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02:06:06
Group forward? Yeah. And also, they have to be the most ai, because you’re you’re gonna be the first people to encounter resistance.
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02:06:12
So you need to be the most risk averse. Yeah. Most The least risk averse.
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02:06:16
Least risk averse, the most maniacal and murderous.
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02:06:20
I wonder you know, this kind of a debate around how much of Hitler’s behavior was because of Hitler and how much was amplified, worsened by the drugs that he was on. That Theodore Morel, that crazy kooky doctor that he had is injecting him with bull semen. He’s getting fucking cocaine.
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02:06:37
Everything. Yeah. A lot of it had to do with that. It had to. I mean, it had to. It it it’s a factor. It’s a giant factor. Just how much of it? What would have been like? What would the wars have been like were there no meth? I mean, that’s probably the first amphetamine fueled war.
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02:06:55
Right? Was World War one fueled by amphetamines? Did they have amphetamines back then?
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02:07:01
I mean, I don’t know what you do to get people to go over the top to certain death. Like, how do you I mean, are you you motivate people by everybody else doing it? I guess, suppose it’s sort of crowd behavior in that way.
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02:07:12
Well, they know that meth was given to the kamikaze soldiers Mhmm. Which makes sense.
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02:07:17
Mhmm.
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02:07:17
I mean, what it’s a great way to it’s just gonna fly that plane right into that boat. You’re like, what?
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02:07:22
You’re
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02:07:22
having a great time. Sure.
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02:07:24
Yeah. No. I’m gonna fly to a fucking island and hide. During World War one, militaries used cocaine and other drugs for medicinal purposes and to enhance performance. So cocaine. British arya sold cocaine containing pills under the brand name
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02:07:41
Force Marsh. That is the best branding in the world.
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02:07:45
Increase endurance, suppress ai. Nineteen sixty British Arya Council banned the unauthorized sale of psychoactive drudge. Does one wonder why they did that. They didn’t wanna win?
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02:07:54
You don’t wanna have fun? Yeah. Are you the fucking fun police? Wow. That’s pretty crazy. Yeah. What did is it GoPills? Is that what they give to fighter pilots?
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02:08:03
Yeah. They give them something. British Army’s pill number nine. What’s that? Pill number nine was just a strong laxative. This is AI. Lies. What was in there? Specific medication used by British arya during World War one. Primary ingredient, pill number nine was Meh, mercurius chloride, a mercury based compound used to treat intestinal infections and other ailments. Oh, okay. Just massive diarrhea pills.
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02:08:33
I don’t know how that’s a performance enhancer. Yeah.
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02:08:35
I don’t think it is.
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02:08:36
If your stomach, maybe just clear it out
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02:08:38
if you like Yeah.
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02:08:39
On your feet. I don’t know.
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02:08:40
It seems like the cocaine would be more effective to
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02:08:42
I’ve I mean, cocaine will make
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you go
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02:08:44
to the bathroom as well. So For accomplish our goals? Yeah. You know, you said, you said before about sort of that self authoring thing, like, taking control of my own life. My friend George has got this, great question where he says, you’re stuck in a third world bryden, and you get one phone call to ring somebody
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02:09:02
Oh, yeah.
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02:09:03
To get you out. Who’d you ring? And that idea, I love because it helps you to identify who the highest agency person is in your life. Who is it that can think on their feet, that doesn’t need permission to go and do anything, that’ll overcome obstacles, that is this sort of, yeah, permissionless reality bender.
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02:09:22
Right.
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02:09:23
Who would you call?
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02:09:24
I don’t know, man. That’s a good question. That’s a really good question. I’d have to really think about it. Also, I don’t know anybody’s number.
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02:09:34
That’s true. Yeah. I guess problem. Can I Instagram DM them? Is that alright? Can I log in? Actually, can you give me my phone? Because I got two factor authentication on this is gonna be really awkward. Is that alright? Can I I need to do that? Yeah. I mean, I’d be tempted to ring Tim Kennedy. I think he would probably be quite high up on my list.
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02:09:49
Yeah. He would help you a lot.
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02:09:50
If I had access to my phone.
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02:09:52
Yeah. Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
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02:09:55
Correct. Yeah. I mean, it might be a bit gratuitous. I get I get the sense that he would take more pleasure in getting me out than would be necessary. You know what I mean?
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02:10:03
Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know, man. That’s gotta be the worst place to be in the world, foreign prison with no way to call somebody. You know, this is the criticism about these, illegal aliens that have been shipped off to what is it, El Salvador? Is it El Salvador that they’re they have the super prisons?
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02:10:26
Yeah. I think that’s we spoke about this last time. That was just as they’ve been created, these football stadium sized monstrosities.
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02:10:31
They essentially got all the gang members off the streets and locked them up and dropped crime radically, dropped violence radically. They essentially said enough of this. We’re just going to go after all these gang members and lock them all up. And the criticism about these, deportees that we’re sending people over there, we’re sending plane loads of people over there, like, what if you’re in that group and you’re not guilty of anything?
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02:11:01
What if you’re just a guy who came over here from Mexico and you’re a tattoo artist? US deports 250 alleged gang members to El Salvador despite court ruling to halt flights. Yeah. There’s a court ruling to halt the ai. But here’s the thing.
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02:11:14
If they are gang members, if they are Trendu Trendi Aragua or the you know, those gang members that take over. Yeah. If that if it’s that’s real, then this all makes sense. But the fear is that there’s gonna be certain people that are rounded up in this that are are not killed.
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02:11:33
Collateral damage.
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02:11:34
Right. And then these poor people are gonna be trapped ai this El Salvador prison, and no one’s gonna believe them that they’re innocent.
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02:11:41
It says it all that El Salvador has got a reputation for being so good at prison and law enforcement that they’re fucking importing people over there. Mhmm. And it’s like, oh, we need to you said before, if I’ve got a bad knee, I wanna go to the guy that looks after the Lakers.
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02:11:56
It’s ai, you’re the Lakers’ PT doc of the rehabilitation well, it’s not even rehabilitation. I suppose it’s just incarceration world.
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02:12:02
Yeah. It’s just incarceration, and there’s probably a financial incentive. We probably pay them to house these prisoners. But the question is, are we sure? Like, how many of these people are being accused of being gang members because maybe they tattoo gang meh? You know, maybe they were caught up in a raid, and maybe they are
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02:12:21
Friends of gang members.
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02:12:22
Maybe there’s an artist who happens to be illegal, or maybe they’re someone who’s working on a construction ai, and they get rounded up, and they get shipped over there. You know, that that that’s a legitimate question. When you’re, arresting people and prosecuting people, and your goal is to arrest people and prosecute people, you do your best at that.
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02:12:43
And the question is, meh many people get arrested and prosecuted that are innocent? Well, in the real world, what we know is quite a few quite a few. I mean, I do a lot of podcasts with my good friend, Josh Dubin, who’s spent a considerable amount of his life helping innocent people get out of jail. Mhmm.
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02:12:59
That’s his, you know, his main thing that he does is work with unjustly prosecuted ai, and you find the levels of corruption to be horrific. The prosecutors, DAs, the the the amount of corrupt judges, it’s shocking. It’s shah when you lay the facts of these cases out, like the Ai four.
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02:13:22
These people that were in jail bryden that one of them could not have possibly been there when the crime is committed and still is in there for thirty years. The actual guy who’s the informant came out and said that he was told to say all these things. It’s all ai. Then was told when they were gonna bring it to trial again, you will be arrested for telling lies now.
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02:13:46
You will either be arrested you will either be arrested because you’re lying now, or you’ll be arrested for telling lies previously. So he then he won’t
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02:13:56
This is like that thing, you know, if she thinks she’s not a witch, and if she floats, she is.
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02:14:01
Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. And then there’s the good the game aspect of it. The game aspect of it is victory. Right? If you’re a prosecutor, your your job is to arrest people and prosecute them and convict them. That’s your job. That’s what your your them. That’s your job.
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02:14:16
That’s what your your your self worth, who you are as a prosecutor, your reputation is based on success.
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02:14:23
Yeah. Your your record Yeah. Your perfect record of this many convictions. Yep.
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02:14:28
It’s the same with cops, unfortunately. A lot of cops are their their whole thing is making arrest, making arrests.
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02:14:36
It’s a shame, isn’t it? You know, you talked about the fire service earlier on, three emergency services, fire, police, and ambulance. Mhmm. When the fire service turns up anywhere, I don’t think that there’s any issues. People I I don’t know whether how often firefighters find themselves up against a a crowd that’s unhappy.
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02:14:54
Maybe, I guess, if it was a a riot of some
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02:14:56
kind Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah.
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02:14:57
But for the most part, it’s a hero. Right. It’s coming to save the cat stuck in a tree, the house that’s on fire, the baby that’s upstairs. Yeah. Like, hooray. Well done for you. Yeah. Meh service turns up. Ai somebody’s really badly hurt or somebody’s broke it. Some kid at a yeah.
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02:15:13
Some kid at a sports match is bryden. They’re like, thank you so much. Please either look after them ai after them. And then the police turn up, and the reaction could not be more different. Yeah. And I don’t know.
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02:15:24
I I Ai understand that there’s a particular type of control that cops have that sort of firefighters and and EMTs. E m firefighters and EMTs are doing stuff exclusively sort of in service of others, whereas cops are doing something that sort of subtract away. But it must be tough.
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02:15:43
Like, if you’re a good cop, especially now, especially after the last few years, it must be hard because you wanna feel proud about your job.
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02:15:49
It’s unbelievably hard. It’s also very hard to get people that are good people to sign up for it now because they don’t want that abuse.
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02:15:55
I wonder if that’s been reversed over the last few years. I Ai
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02:15:59
meh, I I bet it has in certain jurisdictions, in certain areas where they’ve valued cops. And, you know, this whole defund the police thing was just so wild. It was so crazy to see that people would think that that would be a good ai. And they to even to espouse it publicly to erode public confidence in law enforcement just writ large.
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02:16:21
You notice that that’s largely dropped off now? Yeah. No one’s really talking about defund
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02:16:26
work. I mean, it would have the opposite effect. Crime escalated, and the people that lived in the communities wanted the cops back.
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02:16:32
In the areas that were the worst affected as well. It’s a luxury belief. Yeah. It’s something that’s held by the upper classes
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02:16:40
Mhmm.
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02:16:40
That only impacts the lower classes.
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02:16:42
Yeah. And it’s also a thing that the political establishment will use as a a tool to align you with them. You know, people will say it, like, Kamala Harris in 02/2019 was saying, I mean, defund the police. We should defund the police, which is just crazy to say. You need to fund them more, train them better. You know, they they need training the way military groups need training constantly, consistently, and, you know, they’re encountering horrific things.
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02:17:10
I mean, my friends who have been cops and, you know, and and have served overseas, they’ll tell you most of them will tell you that they suffered more PTSD as cops than they ai even in the military. Yeah. Depending upon your service, depending on what you had to do. But a lot of them, it’s just ai every day you’re seeing some nightmarish situation.
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02:17:29
Horrific violence, domestic violence, child abuse, murdered kids. You’re seeing so much horror, and then your version of reality is is based on your experiences. Your experiences are horrific every day.
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02:17:45
Do you think you’d be able to switch off if you had a job like that? Ai be able to partition meh?
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02:17:51
I wouldn’t even ever guess that I could pull it off. I I wouldn’t even guess. I I don’t think anybody even understands what that even means unless you’ve shown up and seen some ai brains saloni out all over the curb for for for nothing, for some stupid argument about nothing.
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02:18:07
You know, when you you seen some woman get shot in front of her kid by the husband, You know, you you you have no idea. No one has any idea. You you don’t know unless you experience it. And then you have to go home to your own children, go home to your own wife, and you’re just your bryden is on fire.
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02:18:25
You know, your your soul is just in agony. We were we were watching a video the other day of this guy who had to shoot this guy, this cop. This guy was something was wrong. He was clearly mentally unstable, was yelling, was, you know, telling everybody what he was gonna do. They tased him. That didn’t work.
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02:18:44
Then he’s just charging at this cop, and the cop shoots him, and then the cop’s sobbing and shaking. And his partner’s telling him to breathe, how to breathe, and he’s just probably the first person he ever had to kill. It’s horrible. It’s horrible. And that’s that’s he succeeded. He’s he stopped a a threat, and he, you know, it was justified. This person was trying to kill him.
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02:19:12
What about pulling people over and the windows are all tinted, and they won’t roll down the windows. You’re standing there vulnerable. It could be shah shotgun inches away from your face, and you have no idea. And they’ve all seen all these videos where people get gunned down.
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02:19:25
You pull people over also in the back window explodes with machine gun fire. I mean, they they live with that every day. They live with that fear every day, and then they have to hear this rhetoric everywhere of defund the police and calling cops pigs, and it’s crazy. It’s crazy, and it it it ultimately destroys the fabric of our society. And, you know, there’s plenty of evidence that cops have done bad things.
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02:19:52
It’s not excusing the bad cops. There’s bad plumbers. There’s bad car mechanics. There’s bad everything. And there’s people that shouldn’t be cops.
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02:20:01
And when you see a video of someone who shouldn’t be cop shouldn’t be a cop and is, you know, on their last nerve and snaps at someone or overreacts at someone or or brutalizes someone totally unnecessarily, it gives you a very distorted perception of the average encounter that a person has with police officers.
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02:20:19
Because most of the interactions that people have with police officers are ai. Most of them. The vast majority. No one gets hurt. No one goes to jail.
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02:20:28
Most of them. You know? But you see the ones that go ai, and then you think, this is what cops are doing. They’re out there trying to kill people.
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02:20:35
Wait. That’s one of the disadvantages, I suppose, of the way the algorithms work that edge cases that are unbelievable and shocking are the ones that catch the most fire. Right. And what it creates is it moves the fringe to the middle. Mhmm. Because most of what you see ai design Right. Is the stuff that’s the most outlandish.
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02:20:53
And then it gets used as a political tool.
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02:20:55
Correct. Ai thought you meh about, Biden and Kamala. What what do you think you do if you’re either of them now? Like, Trump’s just running ragged, flying high, having all of this fun. Like, what are they doing? Like, what do you do when you’ve lost sai two people have lost a campaign in the space of six months.
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02:21:13
I don’t know. Tim Tim Walz is out there talking again.
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02:21:17
You say he could fight any Trump supporters?
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02:21:19
Yeah. He said he kicked their ass, and they’re us they’re scared of him because he could fix a truck. Like, it was they’re threatened by his masculinity. I know how to fix a truck. So he said, I’m like, do you? I bet you don’t.
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02:21:30
The lady doth protest ai
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02:21:32
him, I fear.
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02:21:32
I
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02:21:33
ai I bet if I bring a broken truck to you and a bag of tools, you’re fucked.
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02:21:37
That was the that was kind of the redress. Right? That was the attempt. It was like Yeah. We’re gonna the the symbol of masculinity on the left is gonna be Tim Waltz. What? It was Bryden. Aragon, from Lord of the Rings and Tim Waltz.
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02:21:49
Yeah. It’s so crazy. I just don’t I think they’re lost. I mean, they’re also lost and that they can’t control the narrative anymore. I think when they had control of Twitter and they had control of all essentially all of social media and pre Trump, they had the reins, like, firmly held.
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02:22:07
They were in control of the public narrative. If you strayed from that, you will be kicked off social media. Mhmm. You’ll be banned from YouTube. You were Ai mean, and for things that were factually correct, Like, the lab leak theory is now finally being embraced by the New York Times.
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02:22:21
The New York Times, I don’t know if you saw that article the other day. No. They said we we were misled. Like, bro, you misled us.
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02:22:28
We were misled Yeah. By ourselves.
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02:22:30
They there was a big We misled us. Bed in the New York Times that has people up in arms because they’re ai, fucking, duh. You’re ai. Did you just do you know where it is? I could send it to you. I saved it because it’s so ridiculous. It’s so ridiculous. I was like, what are you saying? How are you saying that? It was you guys. It wasn’t just some random people that did that.
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02:22:51
Do you find it anywhere, Jamie? Mhmm. I know I saved it. Which was it called? It was the New York Times Yeah. Saying that we were misled.
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02:23:03
There’s a big op ed in the New York Times.
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02:23:09
I saw people spreading. I never saw the link.
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02:23:11
Yeah. I read it. Ai read it for, like, the first couple chapters, but it’s all duh. That the whole thing is just fucking duh. God. Where did I save it? I saved too many things. I’m a hoarder.
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02:23:25
Digital hoarder.
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02:23:26
I’m a digital hoarder.
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02:23:27
Do you know why that happens? You know why people hoard stuff? The interesting way that their brains work. So No. Looking around this table, you’re able to discern between stuff that is useful and stuff that isn’t useful.
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02:23:37
There it is. We arya badly misled about the event that changed our lives. Who are we? Who are you badly misled by? Do you think you guys had a factor in that? Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics depending on how you count.
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02:23:58
One of them, the nineteen seventy seven Russian flu, almost certainly sparked by ai research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus has had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers. Yet in 2020, when people arya speculating that a lab accident might have been the spark that started the COVID nineteen pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks.
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02:24:23
In this newspaper, many public health officials and prominent by the way, not by this person. I’m not blaming this person. Meh public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the ai as a conspiracy theory. I wonder why they did that. I wonder if there’s, an email paper trail that’s already been established. There is. Insisting that a virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China.
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02:24:47
And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a great grant well, lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Ai, research that if conducted with lack safety standards could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world.
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02:25:05
No fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization. Yeah. They defend themselves. I mean, it’s, speak to authority, and they fucked us. And you guys were a part of it, by the way. That newspaper was a big part of it.
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02:25:20
Big part of calling the lab leak theory racist, which was really kooky.
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02:25:25
It’s strange that everything is concretized on the Internet for the rest of time. Yeah. You I mean, people can go back and try and, like, retrograde, remove stuff that happened, but there’s always Internet Ai is fantastic for this.
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02:25:37
Yeah. For the most part, you could find it if you’re inspired.
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02:25:41
So how how is it that so many u turns, regardless of what it is, regardless of which side it is, the sort of permanent state of amnesia that everybody’s in, there was this, this WhatsApp message. You ever have one of those WhatsApp messages where it says forwarded many times Yes. At the top, and you’re like, oh, this is gonna be good.
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02:26:01
Right.
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02:26:01
And, yeah, that’s just it’s just an advert. It’s just a banner, forwarded many times. And it was a single Squaddy, a guy in, fatigues walking down the street in Bryden. And a screenshot, I think, of a text saying that someone had said that the army was going to be deployed on the streets of London to keep everybody in the house through martial law, that this was how intense that the lockdowns were going to get.
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02:26:23
And it was gonna happen on this particular day. It goes crazy on Facebook, crazy on WhatsApp. Never happened. And, like, all of the people that shared that, that were adamant, that created all of these stories and and and theories around it, like, no one ever actually went to go and call those people out about what it was that they’d pushed.
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02:26:41
All of the people that were adamant, global health passports, the vaccine passport, that’s gonna come, that’s gonna happen all. I mean, the unfalsifiable version of it is because we knew that it was gonna happen, they weren’t able to do it. So actually, we were the righteous resistance in doing the thing, and the same with whether it’s lab leak theory, whether it’s Joe Biden’s mental ai.
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02:27:01
No matter what it is. Yeah. You can put this position out there. It’s fucking fortified on the Internet for the rest of ai. And after long enough, you’re like, I Sai don’t remember that. You know, you’re like fucking the most ai partner that you’ve ever been. Well, Ai not, are you sure?
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02:27:16
Yeah. I don’t think I don’t think I did say that. I did Sai do this, like, fucking fugazi, like, switcheroo. Yeah. Some lexical Brazilian jiu jitsu.
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02:27:22
Yeah. And I
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02:27:23
don’t have to I don’t have to atone for my previous sins anymore.
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02:27:26
Well, I think in this case, you have an individual journalist who wrote this story. I do not know the history of this individual journalist, but what they said is accurate and important. So it’s good that the New York Times has this come to Jesus moment where they lay out, hey, The conspiracy theories were all true.
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02:27:46
That’s what the title should be. The conspiracy theories were all true. Yeah. The shot wasn’t effective. Yeah.
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02:27:53
There were therapeutics that were available that were dismissed and that bad studies were created in order to make sure that people weren’t taking these drugs because we needed the emergency use authorization. And the only way you can get that is if you have no treatment. So you had to rely on one thing, and that one thing was the vaccine.
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02:28:13
And they all participated in it.
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02:28:14
How much do you think, New York Times with articles like that, Bezos coming out recently and saying that there’s this sort of balance thing that he’s got going on at The Washington Post, Zuckerberg’s recent sort of pivot with regards to fact checking on meh platforms. How many of those do you think would have happened if there hadn’t been a Trump victory in November?
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02:28:34
How much of this is blowing with the wind, do you think?
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02:28:36
Most of it’s blowing with the wind. It’s the society society’s decided we’re done. You know, this was Trump getting elected. This was Elon buying Twitter. This was, you know, and this is the blowback that you’re seeing, these ai, protests and vandalism on Tesla’s dealerships and keying p and p they’re encouraging people.
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02:28:56
People are there’s, like, there’s so many videos of people just smashing Teslas carving Swastigas into the side of Teslas. Because century mode these cars all have century mode. So you could leave your Tesla parked and there’s HD video of everything that’s happening all around us.
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02:29:09
And it uploads it sai you can just see who did what.
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02:29:11
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:29:12
You can watch it. That’s why all these videos are out. The all these videos are out is people extracted them from their cars.
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02:29:17
The video isn’t published by the rioters. The video is published by the victims.
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02:29:22
Exactly.
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02:29:23
Fuck.
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02:29:23
Yeah. And there’s tons of people that have been arrested for this now. Tons of people.
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02:29:27
I don’t know what I mean, I guess it’s a way of trying to protest against some person that you don’t like.
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02:29:35
Yeah. But it’s funded. That’s what’s crazy. And it’s all because what Elon is doing with USAID and what he’s doing with Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency is finding a lot of inefficiency, waste, and fraud. Most of it he believes is waste. Some of it is fraud. And it’s a lot of there’s a lot of money that’s going in directions it shouldn’t be going.
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02:29:56
And then there’s stuff that’s legal that probably shouldn’t be legal, like non government organizations doing the bidding of the government because they’re funded by the government. Mhmm. There’s certain things the government is not allowed to do, but a non government organization, NGO can do.
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02:30:10
And What what’s an example of that?
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02:30:12
Well, regime change. Like, the a lot of what this money is going to, it goes to foreign countries where we have an interest in having the people that are running that country on our ai, or we don’t like them and we wanna fund the rebels. And so you can fund the people, you can fund them through all sorts of organizations where you hide and mask the money, and you move it around, and you have essentially blank checks.
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02:30:41
And you can just funnel billions of dollars all over the world with no accounting.
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02:30:46
Mike Benz is, like, the most prophetic person of all ai.
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02:30:48
Oh
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02:30:49
my god. I mean, he talked about it on this podcast before Doge and before Sai, and everybody is, like, oh, conspiracy theorists and this and shah. This guy so he used to work for the state department. What the fuck does he know? Apparently, he knows everything. He knows all of it and he could spit it out. His recall is incredible. Mhmm. And, you know, that guy’s gotta be fucking terrified because he’s out there exposing.
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02:31:12
He’s he’s essentially the guy who led Elon to the coffin where the vampire sleeps. Like, this is where it is.
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02:31:20
It must be an odd situation to be in because most of the time, the level of scrutiny that you’re under and the level of security threat that’s likely is kind of it goes in line with, status or fame, and that also goes in line with maybe some resources too. Right. So as people get, more likely to be a target, they’re also more able to perhaps be able to protect themselves with, living in a nicer house, gated community.
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02:31:46
Like Saloni.
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02:31:47
Yeah. Having security and stuff like that. But this is one of those weird situations where your knowledge, your particular insight makes you so uniquely vulnerable or such such a heavy target Mhmm. But it hasn’t come with the concordant increase in status and resources Right. That would allow you to be able to actually protect yourself.
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02:32:07
Right.
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02:32:07
And this is, I guess, the crisis of a whistleblower.
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02:32:11
Yes. Yes. Whistleblower and investigative journalists. Yeah. I mean, this is why Julian Assange spent so much time in jail.
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02:32:17
I was just about to bring up Ross Ulbricht.
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02:32:20
Yes.
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02:32:20
Have you you guys must have tried to reach out to him.
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02:32:23
We reached out, but he doesn’t really wanna talk to anybody right now, which is totally understandable. He’s got an open invitation. If meh ever just says, okay, I’d like to talk whenever. Mhmm. Yeah. I’d love to sit down and talk to him. You know, I’d love to find the real story because the the narrative and the, you know, the meh, the docudrama that was made about the Silk Road and what he did, you know, I’m I’d like to know how much of that is bullshit, because I think a lot of it probably was.
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02:32:52
You know, I think they were trying to set him up for sure. And, I think there’s probably some things that he was accused of that aren’t accurate. You know? I’d like to know.
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02:33:03
Isn’t it funny that we always think about conspiracy conspiracy theories, all of this stuff is always being in the past.
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02:33:09
Mhmm.
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02:33:10
And that when something is unfolding right now Yeah. I wonder how much stuff is being ignored by the media but will be studied by historians.
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02:33:19
I wonder wonder what the what would be.
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02:33:21
That’s one of my my friend’s favorite questions to ask. What is being ignored by the media but will be studied by historians? I certainly think that, smartphone use will be one of those. You know, there was that, five deathbed regrets of the dying. I wish I’d kept in touch with my friends. I wish I hadn’t worked so much. I wish I’d allowed myself to be happy.
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02:33:39
I wish, I’d lived the life I wanted and not the life that other people had for meh, blah blah. Yeah. I would bet everything that I’m worth that within the next couple of decades, I wish I’d spent less time on my phone
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02:33:49
Yeah.
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02:33:50
Would be one of those.
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02:33:50
No doubt.
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02:33:51
100%.
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02:33:52
Well, your your time is so valuable. And how do you have five extra hours a day? Well, look at your screen ai, and it’ll sai five hours.
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02:34:00
We were talking about this before we got started that you have the same number of hours that somebody did a hundred years ago.
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02:34:06
Mhmm.
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02:34:07
But the average amount of time that Americans spend on screens is eight hours at the moment. The average time that they Eight. Eight. On screen to all screens. The average time they spend asleep is six point five. So people are sleeping for one and a half hours less than they spend their time on their phone.
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02:34:22
And And what are you getting out of it?
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02:34:24
Well, I’m getting tangible.
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02:34:26
It’s That’s what’s crazy. It’s so hard. It’s so addicting. It’s designed to be addicting. I mean, you’ve had Tristan Harris on here. You know, the way the variable schedule reward that tempts you, that keeps you there, you don’t know what’s gonna happen. This is so interesting.
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02:34:40
Yeah. I
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02:34:40
had, the guy who wrote, Stuart Russell, he wrote the original AI textbook. It’s translated into 70 languages around the world. He taught me this really interesting thing about how the algorithms work. So we know the job of the algorithm is to predict what you want to click on. Right?
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02:34:55
So what it wants to do is get better at working out what Joe likes on his YouTube feed or on his Instagram feed or whatever. There’s actually two ways that it can become more accurate at being able to predict what you’re going to click on. The first one is to be better at providing you with things that you’ll select. The second one is nudging your preferences so that you are more easy to predict.
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02:35:15
Because if you just give something the optimizing function of cause Joe to click on a thing and stick about what, like, click through and watch ai. If you get it to do that, it’ll just find any route. It’s not bounded by and you must make sure that it’s his existing preferences.
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02:35:32
You can’t change his preferences. But this is one of the ai, I think, why polarization has increased, not just that edge cases get used, it pushes people further apart, they get put off into their silos, echo chambers, recursive stuff, blah blah blah. I think a big part of it is just the algorithms find it easier to be able to predict you, which gives them an incentive.
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02:35:52
Now it’s it’s not like a a conscious incentive Right. But it gives you this incentive to be pushed out to the sides. And there’s this worry about, I learned about this idea called knowingness. So polarization, everyone thinks it’s a big deal, and I think it is. It’s a big problem.
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02:36:06
But knowingness is ai a an uncurious intellectual insulation. So people believe that they know the answer to the question before the question has even been asked. I know what the outcome is. I know what the answer is before you’ve even asked me the question. And what’s interesting about this, epidemic of knowingness we have at the moment is if the problem is poor information, you can fix it typically with better information.
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02:36:35
I will give you a better quality of information. But if the problem is knowingness, you are insulated from ever updating your beliefs because no amount of existing new information is going to actually help you. There’s this really cool quote that said, most people think that they are thinking when all they arya doing is rearranging their prejudices. Oh.
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02:36:54
And I think, that explains why the culture war is so boring. Culture war is largely super boring because both sides act as if the fact are already settled ai not agreeing on the facts. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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02:37:06
Yeah. Yeah. So how is it that we’ve got to the stage where people’s their their prejudices just get moved around until they can come up with the outcome that they already wanted before you even ask the question about the thing that you’re talking about? That’s the situation we end up with, and I think it explains why I think it explains why the the culture was feels so samey, and nothing really ever seems to move.
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02:37:29
Like, it’s not moved forward. It goes at such a snail’s pace. The the news is operating at light speed, and the way that we move forward with our conceptual understanding of the world is moving forward at snail’s pace. Mhmm. How are these two things happening together?
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02:37:44
Well, it’s technological advance. Right? Technological advance is so much greater and faster than biological advance. This is the scariest thing that leads us down the road to Ai, is that as we are so limited in our biological ability to evolve, biological evolution takes so long.
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02:38:06
Cultural evolution takes so long, whereas technological evolution is almost instantaneous. And we are being overrun by this thing that’s captivated our attention. Ai I was talking about this the other day. I was ai, imagine if there was a drug that made stare at your hand for six hours a day.
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02:38:23
He’d be like, keep me the fuck away from that drug. But that’s what your phone’s doing. Mostly, you’re getting nothing. Occasionally, you get a funny meme. You know, if I looked at the amount of time that I speak online on a given day and how much of it is really fascinating to meh.
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02:38:39
Well, every now and then you get a story ai that story about the whole universe might be inside of a black hole, and then I’m on a rabbit hole.
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02:38:45
Pyramid. So there’s this interesting insight about that.
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02:38:47
There’s a few things you’ll meh, but I kinda feel like you will get those if you’re offline just by other people being online. They’ll send it to you. Like, you you won’t you’re almost better off.
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02:38:57
You don’t need to be the one doing ai the first path scouring.
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02:39:00
Exactly. Your your your your resources are better utilized by not doing that.
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02:39:05
Did you see that, it was a guy who removed people’s phones from their hands, the photographer who went around, I think it was maybe New York City, and he took photos of people and then, CGI’d the phones out. You know, you’re talking about he’d imagine if there was this thing and it made you stare at your hand. He actually did it. Okay.
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02:39:22
It shows just how absurd it is. You know, you’ve got, an entire train carriage on the subway on the underground.
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02:39:27
And everyone’s staring at
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02:39:28
their hand. Just people staring down at their hands like this. And it it it needs that to sort of throw the absurdity into it. But then on the flip side, if you don’t live with your parents, you’re in a different city, you work a job that you’re not that enamored by, maybe your health’s good, maybe it’s not so good, you’re a little bit worried about stuff, you’re kind of bored a lot of the ai, You need to be sedated.
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02:39:46
Yeah. Oh, there we go.
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02:39:48
Oh, wow. All those people just sitting there staring. Oh, that’s so crazy.
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02:39:53
Go back, Jamie. Go back up to that one of the
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02:39:55
kid. Wow.
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02:39:58
It wasn’t that long. This is 2015. In 2012, I started trying to take pictures of people in public looking at their phones, and it wasn’t that common then. So it wasn’t that
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02:40:07
Well, that’s ai when social media kicked off. In the beginning, no one was on it. You’d see it. It’s like most people weren’t even on Twitter. They’re like, why would I be on that? And, you know, people were using it to promote things, and then they started using it to elevate their ai, and then people became influencers.
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02:40:22
And once people became influencers, and once people ai a sai regular person get a couple of million followers, then also you get sponsors and you that’s your job now?
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02:40:31
No ai, respect.
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02:40:32
Yeah. And fame. Mhmm. I remember when I was living in LA, it was right around the time that a lot of these, god, what was it back then? What was the thing that was ai it wasn’t TikTok. Vine. Vine? Yes.
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02:40:50
I would say there’s yeah.
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02:40:51
Yeah. It was Vine. Ai influencers were the first, and they were famous. So they’d go to restaurants and be like, that’s blah shah blah. Like, who’s that? Like, oh, he’s got 35,000,000 Vine subscribers. Like, what? It was bizarre, because he’s seen just regular people that would do antics or cause scenes or do something to get attention.
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02:41:11
Mhmm.
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02:41:11
And they developed large followings.
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02:41:13
Wasn’t isn’t it the number one job that primary school
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02:41:17
kids want
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02:41:17
is to be YouTuber or an influencer?
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02:41:19
Yeah. Well, they all watch them. They all watch people eat food and open up toys, and it’s, like, very weird. It’s very weird stuff because no one would have ever predicted that that would be something would captivate people’s attention on a television. Right? There was no unboxing shows on television. But meh, unboxing shows on the Internet are huge. Like, people get sucked into the most mundane thing. Someone opening up package.
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02:41:42
Oh, look at this. Here’s the new phone.
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02:41:44
Meh. Ai in some ways, I actually think is quite satisfying. I quite like watching the people that have got you the here’s the new MacBook m four thing, and it’s shot all ai. And, MKBHD. Yeah. You know, like, watching watching him do his stuff is is really great. But
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02:41:56
But he also does a comprehensive analysis of the tech.
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02:41:59
It’s not just here’s me playing with a new MacBook.
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02:42:02
No. It’s an it’s an he’s doing a review of state of the arya. You know, like, where where is technology currently, and what’s what’s the best version?
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02:42:11
I think, when it comes to desiring a life, looking at, okay, what is it that I sana, you need to be very, very careful about what the process is in order to get the outcome that you want. Because if you want the outcome, but you’re not prepared to live the life needed to get it, you’re just asking for disappointment.
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02:42:28
Yeah. Well said.
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02:42:29
My friend talks about Call of Duty versus war. And he talks you know, you think about this is what, going on holiday to a place is, and this is what having to live there is like. You can go to someone and go, yeah, it was lovely for a week.
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02:42:43
We were in The Congo.
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02:42:44
Yeah. It was so nice. But you go, what’s it like if you can’t leave? It’s literally the difference between being camping going camping or being homeless. Right. One is an imposition, and the other one is a choice. And I think that more young kids need to realize what the reality of being an influencer is like.
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02:43:02
It’s not just going to The Seychelles and uploading a selfie or getting I don’t know what they do. Like Play Doh, fucking jelly, new video games. That’s not what it’s like. Look at the Twitch streamers. Look at most of the Twitch streamers. They have got they arya, like, the fucking grunts of the content creation.
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02:43:20
They are factories of content, eight hours a day, five days a speak.
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02:43:24
Mhmm.
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02:43:24
Just straight just fucking stream of consciousness. Someone put something in the chat, and you go, oh, well, let’s watch this thing. Let’s watch that thing.
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02:43:30
It’s
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02:43:31
like Yeah. It is it’s not if you do not want the life that you need to get in order to get the outcome that you’re looking for, you need to be very, very careful about because the reality is war. It’s not Call of Duty. It’s the same thing with being in a band. It’s ai, I love the idea of traveling the world and playing to these big crowds and doing all the rest. It’s like, okay.
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02:43:50
You’re gonna have to live in a van with four of the sweaty dudes for, like, half a decade first.
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02:43:56
If you’re lucky.
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02:43:57
At the meh and that’s if you’ve managed to break through.
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02:44:00
Yeah.
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02:44:00
You’re gonna have to spend so long, a decade learning to play guitar. You’re gonna have to write songs that never see the day of light. You’re gonna have to do all of this stuff, and you have no idea if it’s gonna work. There’s this, I think about the gap from where people are in a place that they don’t want to be until they get to a place that they do, and I think of it like a lonely chapter.
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02:44:24
So everybody that has got from a place where they don’t want to be to one where they are, there’s a point where they they’re so different that they can’t resonate with their old set of friends.
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02:44:34
Right.
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02:44:35
But they’re not yet sufficiently developed that they’ve created their new set of friends. And there’s this temptation to go back to the old patterns
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02:44:44
Mhmm.
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02:44:44
The old ways of thinking. And this I did this live show, in London last year, my first big headline show at the event in Apollo in London. It was pretty cool. And this idea, I think, was one that really resonated with a lot of people because everybody’s trying to grow, and there is an incentive for you to stay in the same place because not that many people grow.
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02:45:06
Most people don’t change. They make little changes. You know, they’ll cut their hair or they’ll lose five pounds or, you know, they’ll switch from one company to another. But how many people do you know that have lost 50 pounds or moved to a different country or have genuinely changed the way that they see the world?
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02:45:23
It’s pretty rare.
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02:45:24
It’s not that common. And we are such mimetic creatures. We’re so shaped by the people around us that we can’t help but be tempted. You know, you’re gonna have to do something. If you want to go from where you are to where you want to be, you’re gonna have to do something that makes you more different, more weird, more easy to be mocked, especially if you come from a country like The UK where I’m from.
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02:45:44
Being different is not particularly celebrated in that way. It’s the sort of thing that’s quite easily mocked. There’s a big culture of piss taking. And if you start,
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02:45:51
what are you doing? What are
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02:45:52
you talking to people on the Internet for? That’s fucking weird. Like, that’s that’s stupid. That’s not gonna work. Why are you gonna do that? So So if you don’t have that level of enthusiasm, there is no support around you to tell you that the thing that you’re trying to do, the the the taking up the martial art.
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02:46:05
Why are you why are you training this ai bullshit, like, you know, fucking six nights a week? Why are you coaching all of these moms and all of these, like, old guys on how to do Ai Chi or whatever? Why are you doing that? Well, because maybe Ai sort of pulled to it, and there is this temptation to go back to your old ways of thinking.
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02:46:23
Go back to the road that you already know how it’s going to end. And I get the sense that this is not a bug. It is a feature. It’s a part of moving from a place that you do not want to be to one that you do. And for the most part, you actually need to live through this lonely chapter.
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02:46:43
And you look at it and you go, well, the fucking Rocky montage was three point five minutes. For me, it’s been five years. Where’s the where’s the championship ring? You know what I mean? Sai haven’t won the fight. Where’s Apollo Creed? None of this stuff’s happened.
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02:46:54
The thing that I wish more stories talked about if you watch it in the movies, yeah, sure. There’s ups and downs in the journey of the athlete that’s going to change his life around and and get the girl, but But his self belief never waivers. Right? He makes the decision, and it’s one straight shot, typically. And there’ll be some challenges, but he’ll get there. His self belief never waivers.
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02:47:18
I don’t think that that’s what the experience of doing personal growth is like at all. In my experience, it’s you’re just swimming in uncertainty and and fear and, a a lack of belief that it’s even gonna happen. You don’t even have the promise of glory on the other side of it. I don’t even know if this is going to be worth it.
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02:47:39
And I’m fucking doing Sam Harris’ waking up meditation app, and I’m journaling on the morning. I’m coming to the gym. Why am I eating meat and fruit? Does this even work? Like, you know, you’re doing all of this stuff ai scrabbling like a guy in a fucking well ai to find a handhold.
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02:47:51
And if you don’t have a good community of people that are also doing that, you’re on your own. Yeah.
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02:47:56
Yeah. And this is most people I think most people’s experience because if most people don’t change, you are going to be an outlier if you’re somebody who does change. I think about, personal growth kind of like a a a rocket ship taking off. And as you take off, you’ve got a particular velocity that you’re moving at.
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02:48:15
And what you want is to find other people moving at the same velocity as you. But the quicker that you move, the fewer people are going to be like you. Yeah. Right? So some people will be ahead of you, and you’re in this lonely chapter, and then you catch up to them. And then, oh, no.
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02:48:29
And this isn’t, you know, some meh on people that work on themselves or, like, morally better or worse than anybody else, but it’s just a stark sort of fact about you you talk to people and you resonate with people that are at the same level of life as you are. And that kind of makes sense. You have things to discuss.
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02:48:47
You are encountering the same sorts of challenges, whether it’s in terms of your self worth or your wealth or your relationship status or all of these things. Birds of a feather. Right? And, you know, one of the, I guess, difficult realizations of people who want to change their life is that if you do it well, you might have to go through a period where you let go of all of your friends.
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02:49:08
But the really bad realization is if you do it really well, you might have to do that multiple times throughout your life. You find a group of people. Finally, I’ve landed after all that period where I was I was on my own, and I didn’t really understand. Oh, fuck. I’m still going.
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02:49:23
I’ve over and I I now need you mean I gotta do it again? Yeah. I’ve gotta do it again. I just thought that I’d found my group, and I’ve gotta do it again. This lonely chapter thing is, it’s a big deal, and I think that it explains why so few people make big changes because the temptation is always going to be to just go back to what’s normal, go back to what I know.
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02:49:44
And, it’s why, you know, Meh, for all that it’s a horrible cis hetero patriarchal superstructure that’s misogynistically keeping everybody down, it’s an enthusiastic and sort of excitable country. And you guys have kind of got permanent first line cocaine energy about everything.
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02:50:04
And for me, it seems to be a a real infusing ai, encourages me to do things, helps me to take risks. Ai that or get kicked in the head a lot. And, I just love it. I I I love the fact that it makes me feel confident in doing difficult things. And, yeah, I wish that more people had that community around them.
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02:50:28
I think largely Reddit is just a, website filled with people who couldn’t find other people to talk about their niche in their hometown. Ai, this particular Oh, there’s
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02:50:37
a lot of that. Right?
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02:50:38
Warhammer 40 k version or whatever. Yeah. But, yeah, it’s it’s difficult. And when you get to the stage where you’re faced with some personal growth decision, you’re always gonna have to make this value exchange of, do I wanna move forward on my own, or do I wanna go back with my friends?
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02:50:54
It’s a good point, man. Chris, always great to talk to you, brother. Really appreciate your insight. You’re a very brilliant guy, and you’re always you’re fun. Fun to talk to.
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02:51:04
I appreciate you too, man.
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02:51:05
Thanks for having, the courage to put all your thoughts out there, and Ai I love what you do. Ai love your shah, and, you’re awesome, man.
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02:51:14
Yep. You’re awesome too, dude. I Ai here. Every time that you bring me on, every time that we get to speak, I really appreciate it. So thank you. My pleasure. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.
