#2264 – Lenval Logan & Jason Sands

Lenval Logan is a retired U.S. Air Force intelligence analyst and former UAP Task Force member. He is the CEO of Phenom LLC, which develops the Phenom app for reporting UAP and paranormal sightings. Logan appears in James Fox's documentary, "The Program," Dan Farah and Lue Elizondo's "The Age of Disclosure," and season five of The History Channel's "The Proof Is Out There." https://phenom.earth/contact/ Jason Sands is a retired U.S. Air Force veteran and former legacy UAP program member. His latest initiative, the Firsthand Fund, helps UAP share their experiences. Jason was featured in James Fox's documentary, "The Program." https://x.com/JasonTSands This Valentine’s Day good things come in big packages at MeUndies. Score huge sitewide savings at MeUndies.com/ROGAN Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT) or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. Max. $200 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: dkng.co/dk-offer-terms. Ends 2/9/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Lenval Logan is a retired U.S. Air Force intelligence analyst and former UAP Task Force member. He is the CEO of Phenom LLC, which develops the Phenom app for reporting UAP and paranormal sightings. Logan appears in James Fox’s documentary, “The Program,” Dan Farah and Lue Elizondo’s “The Age of Disclosure,” and season five of The History Channel’s “The Proof Is Out There.”

https://phenom.earth/contact/

Jason Sands is a retired U.S. Air Force veteran and former legacy UAP program member. His latest initiative, the Firsthand Fund, helps UAP share their experiences. Jason was featured in James Fox’s documentary, “The Program.”

https://x.com/JasonTSands

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#2264 – Lenval Logan & Jason Sands Podcast Episode Summary

In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion revolves around various intriguing topics, including interviews and experiences related to unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) and extraterrestrial encounters. A significant portion of the conversation involves a guest, Logan, who was featured in a documentary and shares insights from an interview with an NHI (Non-Human Intelligence), referred to as an EBIN. The importance of accurately transcribing such interviews, especially when dealing with intelligence personnel, is emphasized.

The episode also touches on the broader theme of storytelling and public perception of UAPs. One guest discusses the challenges of conveying personal experiences with UAPs to a wider audience, including the skepticism and curiosity that often accompany such narratives. The conversation highlights the need for authenticity and specificity when recounting these experiences.

Additionally, the episode features a humorous segment about a game show concept where participants unknowingly become part of a prank involving UFO sightings, illustrating the public’s fascination and sometimes incredulity towards such phenomena.

Throughout the episode, a recurring theme is the exploration of human curiosity and the diverse ways people interpret and share their experiences with the unknown. The overall message encourages open-mindedness and critical thinking when engaging with stories of UAPs and other extraordinary claims. While the episode provides entertainment and thought-provoking content, it also underscores the importance of discernment and evidence in understanding these mysterious occurrences.

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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

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The Joe Rogan experience.

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Showing ai day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Okay. Gentlemen, what’s happening? Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you,

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sir. Both you guys were in, the program, which is, a u that’s ai I wore my Boswell shirt. Yeah. UFO disclosure documentary, all about what’s going on behind the scenes. Why don’t you tell everybody before we get started, Jay, tell them what your background is, what you do.

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Ai a retired master sergeant from the Air Force, worked 22 years, retired 20 or 2007. Started off as an airframe guy, ended up in intel, and that’s when things got strange. Ai my saloni duty assignment as a Intel guy and got introduced to the program and that’s how I ended up, in the movie ai I had some, strange experiences that, I could talk about that were unclassified.

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So I came forward, and that’s where James founded meh. And, we got it all along pretty good, and everything’s a history from there.

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And, Logan, you were in the documentary as well, so tell everybody what you do.

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So I am a Pull this up too, please. Ai, I’m sorry.

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It’s okay.

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So I’m also a retired meh sergeant from the Air Force. Started off as a b 52 crew chief, cross training into intel, retired after 21a half, and I ended up being part of the UAP task force. And I was one of the first people to come across Jay here and some other people. And, from that, James found out about me and said, okay.

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We need to talk. So him and Leslie Keene approached me, and I was like, yeah. But I kinda got outed by by Jay Stratton. He he everybody was ganging up around me and he around him and he was ai, why are you asking me? Logan worked for me and everybody went, you know, and he’s okay. I guess I’m out. Oh, boy.

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What so what let’s start with you, Jay. What was your first introduction to this, whole concept that we are in possession of alien crafts or that we have communicated or there’s been some contact? Like, what what was your thoughts about it before you had these experiences?

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I had had a a ai experience with a UFO previous to that when I was 10 years old. So I didn’t really get an interest in UFOs at all. I just thought it was strange. I also shared experience with my mother.

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What was the experience?

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Well, it was just a red orb that came down. It looked like it came in from atmosphere, you know, distance and then kept approaching, my bedroom window and ended up kind of hovering near the bottom of my street and I was screaming to my parents, you know, there’s a strange light outside and nobody responded.

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So I ran out to get my binoculars, my dad’s binoculars and ran out to the front lawn. And finally my mom was the only one that responded and we both got to see it taken off as it it came across the rooftop of, my friend Eddie’s house at the bottom of the street. And, that’s what she’s got to sai, my mother and I.

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Did it make any noise?

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Zero noise. No. It just looked like a total mirror, completely polished mirror ai of oblong ai of a a ship or ram.

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How big was it?

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It was about 30, 35 foot. Really? Maybe even 40 foot. Yeah. It was about the half the size of my friend’s rooftop, if you were to measure it from front end to back. Sai, you know, it’s pretty big. It was enough for probably your eye to stand up in it and walk around a little bit.

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And your mother has the exact same recollection of the experience?

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Actually, I’m I’m I’ve been asked to write a book sai I’ve got her writing her part of that, and I’ll have the same thing. I’ve had another couple of experiences that my family members and other friends probably write up soon.

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And so this was all when you were young and so you had this memory in your head when you started working for the government. But when were you introduced to the whole idea that this is a real thing?

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Well, I know it’s on mission because I I just kinda filed away that UFO experience at 10 years old for many years, and I just was kind of even skeptical sometimes about, well, maybe it was just something, you know, an aberration in my my mind or eyes or something. But, anyway, so I got really convinced that this was real when I was at Wright Patt on a mission ai I was in the program and we intercepted some calls that literally were speaking about, an NHI presence in the ram, and they were working in labs.

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So Ai Patt for everybody, Wright Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio

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Yep.

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And, NHI nonhuman intelligence. Right? That’s correct. And so they were saying what were they saying? How much can you say? Like, is any of this top secret or is any of this They

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can pretty much talk to you about about the culture and the presence of the NHI, but I can’t talk about, like, weapon systems and the technology they’re developing. That’s all gonna have to be national security stuff because we don’t want our enemies to know what we got.

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Of course. So what was this this talk of NHI? What did it entail

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when you

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first heard it?

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Well, it’s between 2 people that were talking about the day’s interview with this NHI that they had, they called it an EBIN.

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An interview?

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Yeah. He had had an interview with him and he was relaying what was talked about in that interview to another individual, probably his boss or somebody that is sana, you know, pass it on to the rest of the folks in the group or whatever.

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Did you see sai this written down?

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I did not. I had had it recorded just like you would with anything else that’s, you know, it’s recorded in in such a way that it can stand legal forensic kind of analysis. That that’s the level of stuff

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that you have to do

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with an intel guy is you have to be really specific about what you’re recording and make sure it’s accurate. Even whether you believe it or not, what’s going on, you have to be able to transcribe that word for word the way it goes.

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So you heard the recording. That’s how you found out about this nonhuman intelligence thing.

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Well, it was an active phone call. That’s what I did on the red team that I was on

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for the

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program because I was monitoring for the air force. And in this case, I’m monitoring for the program.

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Can you say how the conversation went? Like, how did someone bring up nonhuman intelligence? What was ai had you was there any discussion before this nonhuman intelligence of UFOs at all or aliens at all?

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Yeah. There was ai a few times. We had a scientist on the team. There was an officer. He was a nuclear scientist and he was able to, give us some insights and stuff like that because we’d have some really strange things ai, things that were turning at 90 degrees and how do you not break that piece of machinery or, or not kill the occupants and they were we were hearing stuff like that and they had like very technical parameters that I can’t just cannot discuss, but they were talking about these and we meh the ai to come and talk to us and you say, oh, yeah.

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And so how does the conversation go where the nonhuman intelligence gets brought up?

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That was just, like the 2 of them that when we when I picked up the call and started the recording on ai, there was some guy that was there at Wright Patt, and apparently he had been talking to just Eben and he sai, Meh, up to today’s session. Meh, we’ve got some more information you need to hear about. This is what is sana happen, you know.

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He says that there’s sana be another meeting and that if we don’t return our the equipment and the prisoners, there’s gonna be some bad things happen.

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We are prisoners.

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Meh. This is what they said on the phone call and the other guy’s like, Well, hey, what if we we can’t get them, you know, to return all the equipment and the people? And the guy that had given the interview, he’s like, you don’t you don’t sana do that. And the guy’s like, Well, why?

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He said, If you don’t, they’re gonna be put to death. And I was like I literally stepped back for a minute and I was like, What’s going on here? So I had to finish out the call. They they talked about sundry, other things, just stupid stuff.

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Can can you be a little bit more clear, like, who’s gonna be put to death?

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The program folks that are responsible for keeping the the tech that’s not theirs and also, you know, doing things to these extraterrestrials.

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How did they allegedly acquire this tech?

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Retrievals. Retrievals. Yeah. When I was first introduced into the program, one of the very first things they asked me was, Do you sana to be part of the retrieval program? And I said, Well, tell me about it. And when they said the things they said, I was like, No. Number 1, it sounds gross.

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Number 2, you probably can’t give me enough PPE gear and hazmat gear to to make me feel safe around these things. And, no, I’m not interested in that. Thank you very much.

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So how do they describe it that freaked you out that much? They’re talking about biological entities that are retrieved along with the crash? Yes. Why do they crash if they’re so fucking smart? That’s always the big question. Right?

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Well, you’re I think the the new guy on the block, Jake Barber, he is describing some of the ways that you can do this ai against the psionic team. He’s gonna start showing some of that to the world, that some of this is some of these crafter are manned and piloted by consciousness and apparently they have a psionics team that can actually get in the headspace of these craft and cause them to land.

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So it’s not really a forced landing. It’s just kind of a mutual thing.

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So wait a minute. The United States government has the ability to contact or interact with these craft and force them to land?

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Yes. And then there’s other ones that are done kinetically, which is more of the scary side of it. The ugly side of the program is that what you’ve got here is it’s not so much the military doing this, but the corporate people like Lockheed, you know, Northrop and all these other companies, they treat this stuff as very high value arya kind of stuff and it’s very valuable for them to get the retrievals.

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So you’ve got really what amounts to a bunch of treasure hunters that are hired with mercenaries involved as well that go out for these retrievals And that’s where Jake Barber comes in is that he sees some of these people that are hired to come out and retrieve this stuff, and he’s done that.

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So the idea would be that the retrievals would be very valuable because you could back engineer the meh, figure out how it works, makes make weapon systems, make superior crafts.

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Exactly.

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How long has this supposedly been going on for?

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Decades. It’s been going on for a very long time.

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And but okay. So if

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the tech ai was born.

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But if the tech that we have now that allows us to tell them to land didn’t exist before. Why did they crash before? Like, what what is Roswell?

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Well, Roswell, the the the most accurate account is the one where, the microwave radar waveform upset the, onboard avionics inside these craft that these MHI were flying on that day in Roswell.

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But it’s just radar’s just a detection signal. Right?

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Right. But if you look at some of the stuff ai Gary Noland said about how, you know, even at the very molecular level, these things are ai very minutely. So you can imagine what even a flow of electricity, if it affects it wrong or it’s at the right right wavelength, it it does break down the the electrical current and the electromagnetic or whatever drive that they might have.

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And that seems to be what happened at Roswell, is that they they actually accidentally went in, and were just sweeping, like, a radar, and they act it it caused this craft to crash.

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What a shit design. You know what I’m saying? Like, imagine imagine, like, if you bought a Tesla and the wheels fly off when it rains out, you’d be ai, what the fuck? Did you guys have this, like, super advanced vehicle that you can come here from another planet and radar makes you crash? That’s that kind of stuff makes people incredulous.

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Right?

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So Please. Ai.

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I’d like to add something here. Someone gave me an analogy to sai, think of it as there’s a type of metal that is totally non magnetic, but as soon as you put a current through it, it becomes magnetic. Alright? And he said imagine this, you’re in Roswell, you’re cruising along, you’re checking out, everybody doing their thing, and then because remember that night there was a huge electrical storm.

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It’s that’s one of the big things they keep talking about.

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Mhmm.

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If one of those thing gets hit and all of a sudden they slam together because now they’re magnetic and then they bounce off and that’s why you had one that landed in Roswell area and the one that landed somewhere else. Yeah.

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There were 2. Mhmm.

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So that was what someone told me. Now Ai never been able to figure out if that’s the actual truth, but the two most likely possibilities is that one and what Jay just said.

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There’s actually another person that was approached by, you know, the same race of NHI, and this guy says that they actually recounted what happened is that they thought they were attacked by a directed energy weapon and then they quickly found out that no, this was just accidental and that this was some sort of a radar system that just caused their their onboard computer to go haywire for just that second enough to cause it to ram. It happened.

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But if it it it almost doesn’t make sense to me because, like like, if you’re gonna go visit an uncontacted tribe in the Amazon, you would assume that they have weapons. You’d assume they have bows and arrows. And if you got hit with an arrow, you’d be like, this is crazy.

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Mhmm.

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You know, I can’t believe I got shot by an arrow. But you wouldn’t be surprised that they have arrows. Like, you would probably hey, man. We should be real careful that they might have arrows. Yeah. They might shoot us. So if you’re visiting the human race and you’re so advanced that in 1947, you can come here from wherever, another planet, another dimension, whatever you’re doing

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Mhmm.

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Wouldn’t you know about radar? And wouldn’t you have, like, a system to prepare yourself for storms?

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Yes. And that’s something that might have taken them by surprise because you’re talking about 19 fifties. Radars were not all that, new, but they weren’t all that old either.

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When was radar invented? Do you know?

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It was World War 2 ai I remember correct. Yeah. It was World War 2. So it was right around the 19 fifties, right up right just before.

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Same time. Right. So it may have been unexpected technology for them and maybe they they

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ai up or something.

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And there

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could have been some type of arrogance there because think about it. If we based on our understanding, we believe that they’ve been coming here for 1000 of years. Nothing’s ever happened. And then all of a sudden

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All of a sudden, this new technology and it ai their their ship to crash. So you have to think about

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the time frame of when this radar stuff was actually being and ai that, they do not always Sai ai a different call that states that they do have a period ai ethnicity between when they come and go. They’re not always here ai they’re out doing other things, I guess. And,

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I treat this like a a segment on on the Arsenio Hall shah. Things that make you go, I’m not sure. It just seems dumb. It just seems dumb that radar could take them out. But one of the things about the Virginia crash, which is another James Fox meh, which is excellent, which is all about the crash in Brazil, which is ai heavily documented including the guy who handled the body wind up dying of some unknown bacterial illness that they have no idea what it was.

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It was a young healthy guy. He carried this supposedly carried this being, put it in his patrol car, took it to a hospital. They wouldn’t accept it, had to take it to another hospital, and then 2 weeks later this guy’s dead and he just he got unbelievably sick. There’s nothing they could do to help him. They flooded him with antibiotics, all kinds of different things. There’s nothing worked. He died very quickly.

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When you, you hear about that story, the big thing was that there was some sort of, like, crazy electrical storms that night.

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Yeah.

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But, again, you’re gonna have a Tesla. You would assume the wheels won’t fly off when it rains. And you’re gonna come here from another planet. Like, what’s on that planet? Oh, well, they occasionally have lightning. Well, let’s not fuck around if they have lightning. Let’s not go into the storm.

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If you’re in a plane, you can go above the storm. You know how, like, your pilot says, we’re gonna take this plane around 45,000 feet to, you know, to let you know, and then you look down, you could see lightning below you in the clouds. It’s ai crazy.

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Yep.

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How come they can’t do that?

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You got me. I was born in 63. This has happened happened earlier than I even got there. I’m just trying to go off of what I heard on

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I understand.

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I mean, I’m just But

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I just I’m just, you know, playing devil’s advocate or

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And I agree. I I kind of had the same thoughts. But at the same time, you know, we’ve made similar stupid decisions when it comes to battles and and I

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know, but I would just assume they’re way better than us. Right? I would assume they like, you were talking about arrogance. I would assume they don’t have that anymore. Like No. That’s not Fucking work that out of the system. We should work it out of the system.

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Well, I think that that that’s true to an extent, but I think also they’re very common. They have things in common with us as well that they do have, you know, the same sorts of, you know, desires to to to want to live their life well and all these other things are

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part of it.

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So yeah.

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Well, it seems like if you wanna go and do something, anything, like you wanna explore the universe, you wanna accomplish things, you wanna make technology, it almost seems like some kind of self acknowledgment or some kind of ego has to be present. Yes. Like, otherwise, there’s no motivation to do anything. Like, this is the question about artificial intelligence.

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We were

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talking about this and I said, but if artificial intelligence doesn’t have any human needs, it doesn’t have any it doesn’t have the desire to spread its DNA, it doesn’t have the desire to achieve status Yes.

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Why would

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it do anything? Why wouldn’t it just sit there and just observe and they’ll just watch us be stupid? And maybe it would say logically it would interfere if we were about to blow each other up or something crazy like that. But other than that, why would it do anything? Why would it have any desire to take over?

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Well, look at us. And this is where I think there’s a commonality between us and the NHI. We’re intelligent, intelligent people.

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Some of us.

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Some of

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us. Yes.

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And then

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Go on TikTok.

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I’ve seen that stupidity. You’re right.

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Oh, yeah.

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So okay. Take back what I said. No. But, actually, though, they

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No. Obviously, we’re intelligent and drug could

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But they probably have a desire for entertainment, which we do have a great, you know Oh, yeah.

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We’re very entertaining.

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We love that. Yeah. And, they probably have a curiosity as well.

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19:31

They have to. Right? If they’re exploring, why else would they explore? Yeah. So it’s whatever it is that made us us, you know, from ancient primates to what we are today, a big part of that is all these needs and desires. And you gotta wonder, like, at some point in time, does that get engineered out of the biological system?

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And if it does, that system seems like it wouldn’t need to just explore vatsal Mhmm. Unless it’s facilitating a process, unless it’s there’s a very delicate process where, advanced life forms like ourselves are experiencing this new technology and a lot of the people that are in possession of the technology aren’t even the ones who created it.

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Mhmm. So they have all this insane responsibility, but they’ve done none of the work and they have power over this technology, which is where we find ourselves today, which is real weird. Imagine that’s a process that all intelligent life goes through as it’s evolving all throughout the universe. Mhmm. Maybe they know this.

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Maybe they maybe it’s a precarious thing and maybe it has to be monitored because, like, oh, you know, star 15. Remember that third planet? You know, they fucking whacked the whole planet. Yeah. We got there too late.

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And they ai, oh, that took like 4,000,000,000 years to make intelligent life that could figure out cell phones and these dipshits blew each other up.

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Yeah.

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And now there’s nothing but, you know, microbes and it’s gonna take 1,000,000,000 of years and it might not even work because they might be too far from the sun by then and

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Not for another test case.

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20:57

Yeah. So let’s, let’s prevent these territorial primates from killing each other. Mhmm. And just maybe that’s a thing that they do throughout the universe like farmers. Yeah. Like, you know, make sure the wolves don’t eat the calves. You know, just ai protect it until it gets to this next stage.

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You know, I have to say that on mission that I did get that feeling that no matter where the NHI were mentioned, it was not a copacetic free for all exchange of technologies at all. It was very controlled by the NHI. If there was a lab environment, the NHI demanded that no human be in the in the lab while they’re there or or watch what they’re doing and record what they’re doing, and then they would leave, and then the humans could come in.

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So it’s very precarious little game they’re playing.

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21:42

So how long have they supposedly been having these interactions with NHIs?

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I’d say since I don’t

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like calling them NHIs. I like calling them aliens.

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For me, it’s

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cool. Ai wasn’t yeah. I I like just calling them aliens or whatever. But, yeah, I think it happened in the Eisenhower days, you know, that that’s when it really started to come because that’s when they were saying that the this UFO came to home and and landed and actually talked to the president at the time and all that stuff.

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Imagine the UFO talking to Ram. Oh, yeah. He’d probably try to tax

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him. Yeah.

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Sai my my biggest question, anytime someone brings up NHI aliens, my first thing is which one.

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Which one?

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Because they they talk about it as if it’s one entity. Oh, they did that. Oh, they did this. Sai but when you break it down, we’re hearing some like us and want us to evolve. Some don’t like us and want us to kind of

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Pull back. Pull back.

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Yeah.

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And they wanna control certain things. So I’m like, well, which one? And then they they look at me with that deer in the headlight look like, oh, I I don’t know.

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22:46

Right. So there’s the idea that our superiors, that the the military, the top levels of government, they even they are not given all the information.

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Correct.

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Because probably we’re like a bunch of children. You know? We’re like, you’re too stupid to figure this out. I’m not gonna tell you what a nuclear bomb is. Just duck and cover. However the table.

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We could be the greatest show in this part of the universe.

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Oh, I’m sure.

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We’re a great show.

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Yeah. I mean, imagine when the sana we talk about the, you know, the things with the nuclear bombs where the the missile silos, they, you know, started counting down or whatever.

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Right.

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Maybe it’s like, hey. Let’s see how far they’ll go if we do this. Right. And then everybody gets all ai, and then I was like, oh, okay. We’re just kidding. We’ll turn it off and go from there.

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Well, perhaps. I mean, listen. We run experiments all the time on animals, all the ai. And we have collars on bears. We meh them loose. Like, let’s follow the bear. Where’s he going? We do that all the time. We do that with all kinds of species.

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Yeah. We do.

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Ai I think it’s interesting. Sense that they would do with us, especially sai since we’re we literally have the ability to annihilate all life on Earth and we’re pointing at each other.

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Multiple times. Yeah.

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Yeah. Meh, mad world.

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It’s a mad, mad world. That I had that argument with Neil deGrasse Tyson. He was like,

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why would they be interested in us?

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I’m like, what are you talking? We go to the jungle to study a frog. You know? Like, of course, they would come here. We’re we’re so strange.

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And we protect the turtles in that one little area that EPA says, oh, no. You you can’t mess with those turtles.

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Yeah. Imagine Ai gets to Mars and we do find life there, and we’d be so interested to figure out how it works, what makes it tick.

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You know they believe they found actual water on Mars, not frozen water now?

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Yeah. On the poles. Yeah. I heard about that.

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That’s nuts. Yeah. Because if there’s actual water in there and they can find something in that water that’s alive Yeah.

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But if we don’t if we’re gonna expand out into the universe, which is what Elon Musk says, the fact that we don’t have to bring water with us

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Right.

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That’s huge.

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Brian drinking Mars water.

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I I don’t drink tap water

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ai I definitely ain’t drinking Mars water. It could be better than red ball. Imagine. Bro, imagine if it’s, like, filled with crazy minerals

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and

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you drink a glass of Mars water and you just feel incredible, and then we have to ship Mars water from Mars back to LA. Mhmm. You know, that’s the news thing.

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Ai there. That’s the war right there. People are gonna be ai, how come they have it? We don’t. Right. There’ll be water wars.

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But if

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Mars water just makes you go back in time, like, you look 20 again. Yeah. Yep. You know? I mean, who knows who the fuck’s in that water?

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I don’t I don’t know. But those are the kind of things you write, though, that that’s kinda how we are. It’s that we’re very curious about what’s on that planet and how we can utilize the resources that are there, like ai water and everything else. And we’re gonna learn some stuff, and ai gonna take a long time.

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What I’m really curious about is what was Mars like before it lost its atmosphere?

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Me too.

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And was there a time a few 1000000000 years ago where Mars was like Earth, you know? It seems

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to be what people are saying.

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That’s that’s the craziest of all theories, right, and the most interesting. But if, you know, Earth still exists ai years from now and now it’s cold and dead and there’s nothing, how much would be left? How much is left after a couple of 1000000000 years? You know, I mean, what is really left over? What does it look like? Does it look like Mars?

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Because Mars looks completely desolate. But we know that Mars had water, and we know Mars had a warmer climate. So you kinda just assumed there was something growing there.

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Yep.

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What what does it look like a couple of 1000000000 years later? Probably like Mars. Yeah. Which is great. If we do find out that Mars at one point in time housed biological life or maybe there’s microbial life or something like that that still exists on Mars, just the climate is so harsh it can’t advance past that stage.

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That that alone would just change our whole view of the the universe itself because then we would start to consider, okay, maybe this isn’t just this one thing that happened. Maybe the Fermi Paradox is just that we don’t have the ability to detect all these things that are out there.

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Yep. We don’t

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Or maybe they really do pass by and keep their doors closed.

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Hand locks.

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Right. We’re fucking shooting fireworks at 4th July. We’re nuts.

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Yeah.

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We’re the craziest species on this planet ai far. Everything else is normal. Everything else just kills what it wants to eat. Everything else, you know, does normal stuff. It’s they fight over resources, but that kinda makes sense biologically.

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Honestly, after my experience in the program, I found that it seems the more I think about it, the more that they are very much like us in a lot of ways. But they have probably a a world government that we do not have. In other words, they can get along in their own society much better than we can and their former government is not all broken up.

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I think if you branch out into the solar system and then into the galaxy, like, if as you start spreading out, if you do become some sort of an interstellar species, you kinda have to be united as a planet. Right? You gotta go, look, all this bullshit about the this country and that country, let’s let it go. Let’s let it go.

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27:41

I mean, I don’t want one world government because I don’t trust the government. But if I did trust the government, I’d be like, one world government is the way to go. Everybody should have the same resources. Everybody should have the same access Exactly. Healthy food and water and clean air. Like, it should be the same for everybody.

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It shouldn’t be that you can make an iPhone in China because they can make it for 15¢ because people are working like slaves.

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Exactly.

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It shouldn’t be like that. It should be like the whole world has the same rules but the problem is you can’t trust the government. So what do you do? Well, if you get to a point where everybody’s so advanced that we don’t have all of the same greed and lust and all the bullshit that ruins human society.

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Yeah. If if aliens get to that point, then it only makes sense that they would operate as a planet. But then they would have, like, their interest in ahead of these fuckers on that other planet.

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Sai You know? Ai those lines, it’s those things that you talked about. Those are the things that inherently make us human.

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I’m sorry. The the hand moves. You can push if you wanna sit back.

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Those are the things that inherently make us humans. So the question would be, depending on what the which any child you’re thinking about

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Right.

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What inherently makes them them and how compatible are we in what we’re looking at? Because those could be some of the things that attract them to us or detract them away from us.

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What Ai interested in is, are there things just like us? Is this ai if you do you know, like there’s similar plants that exist in similar ecosystems all over the world where ideally the seeds have never been able to get back and forth, but they’re similar in at least in some ways.

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It’s just a matter of climate, resources, these plant over 1,000,000 and 1,000,000 of years, the same kind of plants grow. Similar kind of animals. There’s rats all over the place. There’s a There’s

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a pattern to it.

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Yeah. There’s there’s a pattern.

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Vatsal atomic level, they that there’s a a way that things occur naturally and they meh different things. So a bird, I agree. I I think you and I talked about it the first time we spoke on the phone is that, yeah, there probably is a bird. Kinda looks like a bird on another part of the universe, but maybe it has, you know, 2 sets of wings

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Right.

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Or 2 heads or something. I don’t know. Just because

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Something similar. Like, I mean, the birds vary so I mean, you can get a sparrow. You can get a fucking eagle or a condor. Yeah. There’s so many different kinds of birds too. But I wonder, is there is this the only kind of way life evolves, or are there planets that are just radically different than our planet and life forms in a completely different way?

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Yeah. I would think that that’s true also is that there’s exceptions to the rule just like there are here on Earth that

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Right.

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Got some really strange creatures that roam ram, like, people are starting to say octopus, octopi, and and stuff. They don’t fit the the the normal way that things evolve around

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Right. The

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earth and stuff like that.

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There’s no bones there, so, you know, you’re not gonna find any fossils anywhere.

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Yeah.

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That’s why. But if you think about some of the things that we’re being told now, 99% of all life that lived before is all gone now.

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Right.

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So if this is what’s left, maybe some of those unique things that were out there, there’s something similar because one of the things that I ponder is there’s

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got

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to be some grand design because when we see these aliens when they whether they talk about it’s a gray, it’s a nordic, it’s a draconian, or if it’s a mantis, they’re all standing ai,

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you know.

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So is that a part of the grand design that is an as intelligent as you get further up the food chain? You start to stand on your your two legs and whatever. And then I think about if it’s a mantis, whatever, how did they build their ships if they don’t really have opposable thumbs and, you know, those are the things that we’re we’re always taught.

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These are the things that make us you unique as humans, and we can build things, and that’s why the other animals didn’t you know, the only other animal out there is what the the chimpanzee or the gorilla or something, primates. But, obviously, nature finds a way. And it’s not human nature. It’s something other type nature, and they do something else.

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Well, it could be genetic engineering too. It could be that they I’m actually

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gonna mention that.

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They reach some point where they say, well, what’s the best structure for a body? A mantis structure way better than a person structure. We break so easy. Mantus are insanely strong. You ever sai a mantis catch a hummingbird at a feeder? Yes. It’s nuts, man.

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Yeah. Taking out tarantulas and scorpions.

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They’re so little and they just snatch that fucker up and he can’t move. And, like, if you looked at them, like, the the hummingbird is probably 4 times heavier at least, probably more than that. And he’s just ai, gotcha. It’s like that design, the exoskeleton design is superior in terms of, like, durability. And also, lobsters and crabs and all these kind of insects like that.

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Do do mantis regrow limbs? Oh. Let’s find that out.

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All I know is that

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Because like ai do.

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Yeah. I know crabs can.

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Yeah. Lobsters and crabs, all I think of them is just armored spiders. Yeah. Yeah. They’re bugs. I mean And and if you think about it, when they said that the oxygen level was at 30, ai% and some other stuff, they’re saying some of these spiders were the size of small dogs.

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I’m like, yeah. That’s not a place I’d like to live.

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So they can. Sai praying mantis undergo incomplete metamorphosis. Ai, if their cage is too dry, a mantis may have trouble shedding old skin, will lose a limb in the process of molting. If it happens, it’s possible for a mantis to regrow the lost limb, but only when they molt again.

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Oh, okay.

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So they molt again and then they regrow that limb. But they do regrow their limb. They regenerate limbs as long as there’s at least a coxa remaining, whatever that is.

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Yeah.

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It won’t regenerate right away and maybe a tiny nub and then it and then they molt, I guess. Wow. That

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makes sense because the the harder shell would prevent that leaf from continuing

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ai grow. Yeah. But just seems like that’s a superior form of, a structure. So if you get to the point where technology is all done with the ai, right, we’ve developed artificial intelligence and quantum computing and the being has been generated over genetic engineering to the point where it no longer has to have sex to re to recreate new versions of itself.

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Yeah.

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They’re essential. Yeah.

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And so instead, the the way they procreate is they they do it through ai. And maybe they sai, look, it doesn’t matter what you look like ai. No one’s fucking let’s all become mantises. That’s a good point. Right? Ai, let’s

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Sai need a reset now.

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This soft shit on the outside, like, we’re built we’re like fucking water balloons. We’re so vulnerable. Yeah. You’d better be wouldn’t it be better if you’re hard on the outside and, you know, we don’t need to, like, use your fingers and thumbs anymore. We do everything with our mind. Mhmm.

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I mean, if it gets to the point like, this was the thing that I’ve heard about people that have supposedly worked on crafts is that one of the most remarkable things that there’s no there’s no gears, there’s no levers to turn, there’s no buttons, there’s no controls.

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Mhmm.

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That everything is done somehow or another where the being and the craft are 1.

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Yes. Yes. Consciously. Yep. I’ve had discussions about that with

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Have you talked to anybody that has said that any of the the crafts have controls in them?

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No. All I’ve heard Basic.

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Yes. Yeah. Basic controls?

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Ai I was talking to Jack Serfaty about it, there was a a craft that did have some place where the the hands were in there, but it was only to, sort of, do some minor adjustments for the craft is what he he he did was describing and other people have described, you know

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Vatsal is what Sai ai gonna say. There’s just all I’ve heard is that there’s been 2 places for you to put your hands and maybe for other parts of the crew, but that’s about it. There’s no Maybe

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that’s sai you don’t use your phone.

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So you don’t get distracted.

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Just use your hands. Put your hands down on the thing. Okay.

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So there’s no technology. He knows.

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Maybe there’s no party. Around. Yeah. Maybe they have something similar ai, like, cell phone addiction. Yeah. So they put so if they’re putting their hands on the thing, wasn’t that what Lazar said as well? Didn’t he say there was something similar to that?

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Yes. Yes, he did. He did.

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Yeah. So no controls, and somehow or another putting your hand on it syncs you up, and then they’re just using their mind.

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Correct.

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Meh. Did they try to explain how this was developed?

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There’s a lot of people that are looking into it now, and they’re starting to see that, yes, it’s possible. And I think that’s, again, some of the new whistleblowers can shed some more light on to how this happens. And I think we need to hear a little bit more about these folks that came forward about the ai team and what exactly is this meh, what are they linking up with, is it does it feel mechanical, does it feel like an entity?

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Mhmm. Because, you know, we hear Jake talk about his his experiences. He had a really spiritual experience with one of these things while he was carrying it to the next place. He’s he was literally crying in the interview.

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This is that egg looking thing.

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Yeah. He said that he felt well, it was he called it the 8 gone, I think, ram. That one is the one he had the spiritual

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8 gone?

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8 gone, like an a hexagon, but it has 8 ai, but or octagon, I think, would be the the actual term. But he said it had, like, a 8 sided kind of a disc.

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So this is not the thing we’re talking about with the helicopter.

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This is a different one.

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A different one. Yeah. Sai he encountered a different one.

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Yeah. Oh, okay.

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I didn’t I didn’t see that interview.

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Yeah. Well, the detailed one, I think you can pull that one out of there. But he mentioned that that one he had ai a real no kidding. It was beautiful, and he cried about it because it was so beautiful of an experience. Wow.

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And I I have a question about all those things because if they can get into our minds, my thing is that how do you know that that’s not what they’re putting into your head? Because ai what, they experienced at the Skinwalker Ranch when they saw the the creature at the on the top floor, they, they said as they approached it, they started feeling fear.

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And as they approached it further, the fear just kept intensifying to the point where it was like a physical change in the temperature. So if someone can put fear into you, why can’t they put love into you and all these different things? And I’m not saying that it’s not genuine, but part of being on the task force, you have to question everything. You know?

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Well, we can do that to each other.

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Yeah.

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Yes. You know, we we can do that to each other through threats. We can put fear into people. We can do the, you know, there’s a crazy documentary called Holy Hell and it’s about this guy who was a cult leader and, one of the things that he would do to these people, he was a hypnotist too, but one of the things he would do to these people, he called it the knowing and he would put his hands on them and they would say that they would experience God.

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They had to be prepared for it. It was a thing that was very difficult to get. He he had to approve you for it and all these people wanted it and they never got it. It was like a thing he held over your head and then when he actually did it, even though this guy turned out to be a complete fraud and the the cult disbanded, all those people talk about that moment when they had that experience with that guy and they say it really happened.

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Wow. Because the human mind is weird. Right? And if a person can do that to you by touching you, it just makes sense that some ai super advanced being would say ai, what is the best feeling that I could give to this primitive entity that’s studying me to let me know ai don’t blow me up, don’t fuck with meh.

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100%. And this is the best expression that you can have in life. What is the best expression you have in life ai love, pure love. Yeah. It’s just pure just just untethered love.

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Yep.

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It would make sense. It would, like, put that in you so that you would protect this thing.

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Mhmm. And and that may be part of it, and I think that’s what their desire is. Because, like, we, you know, would try to put our best foot forward if we knew that we were similarly being scrutinized. Sure. You know, we’d wanna we wanna do that.

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When we visit uncontacted ai, we give them free food. Yeah. But Just that ai here for you guys.

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But sai, that’s where my fear is. That’s why I came forward is that I was hearing stuff that actually brought concern that, you know, in the way I I kind of package that up is that the military happens to be unfortunately the face of humankind here in this situation when it comes to the program because it’s definitely not the public.

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We’re just, you know, errantly having people come forward with, I got abducted or I saw this and I saw that, but in the military that seems to be where there is an interface going on.

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Right.

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And I’m just wondering is that too heavy handed because they’re not seeing the full human

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Right. They’re only seeing the military humans.

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Right. That’s why I’m

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kind of took the tact that I did instead of

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going through all the other channels. This is Ai just was like, let me try something new. Let me talk to the people and get to know the people, what they feel about this. And I’ll just tell my story, whatever happens, happens. Yeah. I took some speak, but you know, most for the most part, people are ready for this.

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People of people definitely want it. Whether they’re ready for it, we’ll find out if it actually becomes bigger and and more profound than what we’ve currently experienced.

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Yeah. I got I got asked a question, and they said if you were gonna go to Congress and say, here’s what we need to know about the UAP experience, what would you tell everybody?

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That’s a good question.

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And my answer was, we don’t need you anymore. Because so many groups now have caught on that if they attune themselves to whatever it is, they can talk to these things directly themselves. Now whether it’s good or bad, but because of the the badness that has transpired over the years, more and more people of like you, you said you don’t trust the government.

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There’s people, they don’t trust the government at all in this other thing. So they’re like, let’s reach out by ourselves. You’ve got people doing, you know, RV and out of the body experience and all that other stuff. Mhmm. You’ve got people that are being contacted directly, so now they’re trying to say say things. So and also too, we’re evolving.

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So as we’re evolving and other things start happening, you have to start questioning, why do we need the government in the middle of this? Please don’t take this the wrong way because people get angry. It’s kind of like the Catholic church. I was always tyler, if you want to talk to God, you talk to God. But then why do I need a priest? Right. You know?

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So the government’s always been the middle meh. So do we really still need him?

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So when you’re saying that all these people have figured out these methods, how to communicate with the aliens, what you’re talking about is, like, people sitting down, this is something I’m hearing a lot lately, sitting down and supposedly summoning them, putting out, like, an intention and that they they will come. Yes.

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Does that happen with you? You ever try it? I haven’t yet. So

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Why wouldn’t you try it? If you Ai

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I tyler everybody I’m black and I’m afraid of the woo. Okay? But at some point, I know I’m gonna have to embrace it because it is part of the experience. So, like, I’m good friends with Travis Tyler, and when we first started talking, he was ai, okay. I’d like to to to talk to you about coming out to the ram, you and some of your, your friends, your intel guys.

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And we just you know, we talked about it, and then I I kind of put it up in the room and said, hey, guys. If we had a chance to go out to the ranch, who would go? And all the white people put their hands up right away. All the black people were, like, in the corner going, no. Let’s think about this. Now what are you actually asking? You know?

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And I and and I sat there and I go, why is it that we’re so, you know, reserved about going? And I remember something that someone told me was when the woo happens, you embrace it, but you don’t run towards it because that whatever that experience is, it was probably meant for somebody else, and now you’re interfering when you run towards it.

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Right. So if you summon the UFO like, if they come to visit you, that’s meant to happen to you. But if you’re summoning them?

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Yes. Yes. You may be Do you ai that distraction?

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You know? Sai, like, what do you I mean, people say that, yeah, if I could if I could experience UFO contact, I would. Well, would you really? Because that might fuck up the whole rest of your life. Like, Like, what if it does happen and then it never happens again, and then you have a wife and kids and a house and Yeah.

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You just sit in your fucking living room trying to pay attention to this football game. When you’re thinking about, I’ve seen a fucking alien. I’ve I’ve seen UFOs. They’ve come down and communicate with me telepathically.

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Yep.

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I know they’re real they’re real. Yeah. Well It would ruin your whole life. Ai

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remember meh that remember that movie with Ben Ai? I think it was called, like, Chasing Amy?

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Yeah. And Chasing Amy. I remember the name. Yeah. I don’t remember

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the movie. There was a

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Not that Amy.

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No. But there was something that was said in there that always made me think. After you have a first experience, and in this particular case, there was talking about your first orgasm. You’re always chasing after that first best feeling that you ever had. You never you’re never gonna get there, but you’re chasing it.

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They they talked to that about heroin too. Yes. Call it chasing the dragon.

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Yes. Sai so if you’re one of those people that had a really profound experience with a creature from another world.

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Yeah.

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You can’t really explain it to everybody else. So you’re looking for something else to to make it seem real because you start questioning everything that you know, you know, and that’s that’s how I was. I my my first experience was when I was a kid in England ai me and a friend were just throwing the ball back and forward and, you know, in the old days, people used to wrap the sneakers around the telephone lines.

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Sai I just happened to see that there were some sneakers up there and then all of a sana, I look off in the distance and there’s this UAP UFO that looks like an iron that you would iron your clothes with. The whole bottom part was glowing. The top part was just dullish gray because, you know, England, the gray skies

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Was it

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shaped the top like an iron as well?

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Yes. Yeah.

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So it had, like, a hump to it?

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It kinda had a hump to it. So I’m sitting there going, well, what is that? And he goes, that’s gotta be a helicopter because it’s just standing there. And I was like, but I don’t hear any noise. You know? And then next thing you know, we saw, I believe it was 2 f 4 jets coming because you could hear them. Those engines are loud.

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And this these 2 jets come out and this thing just goes and this is when I was living in Nottingham, England because I’m British by birth. Ai? So, you know, our parents are ai, too much imagination and I just kinda catch it in the back of my head and then I saw things later and I just kept questioning them and finally was like, I’m really gonna have to look into this.

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So how old were you?

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I was about 10.

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10. So you were and you said you were ai 10 as well?

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10. Yeah.

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This is one of the things that I I keep hearing about this idea that children and their innocence or their they don’t have this, blockade in their head to keep them from they they don’t think it’s ridiculous to think about aliens. They’re they’re they’re open to it more.

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We we we talked about this and that was

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programmed as we get mature.

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Yeah. We don’t sana be fools.

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Right. So I believe and this is just my belief not anybody’s, but I believe from the mid ai fifties all the way up to the mid 19 nineties, I think there was a deliberate attempt by these entities to reach out to school children and going to the schools because meh the ruins.

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Zimbabwe. Ai? That was crazy. Right. That’s crazy because all those years later, they all have the same story. Yeah. They all drew the same thing independently. They pulled

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the side. Adulthood. They remember it.

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Yeah. And then there’s the stuff in Australia. There’s the stuff in England. There’s the stuff in France. It’s cons I think

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The Australian one’s real similar too. Right?

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Yep. I think his name was Preston Dennett. He wrote a book. I hope your, viewers read it or take a look at it. It’s ai the top 100 school sightings, and half of it is based on just the sighting. Another part of it is based on the actual thing landing and trying to communicate with

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the kids.

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And I sat there just thinking, were they doing that to prepare us for now for when they do come back sai we’re not so afraid? The kids are more open ai. I’m not sure but you have to think about those things and go you know, can’t aren’t you arcing your whole thing?

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Yeah. Things that make you go,

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you know.

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So those were some of the things that we just started thinking about and going, well, what if and then I I hate to play what if games because my favorite what if is what if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn’t mess with them. But but but you have to play that game sometime and just kinda draw it out and then see if it if you have a hypothesis that can start repeating vatsal, and then you go, hey.

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There is something to this.

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Yeah. Well, the real question is how long have entities been visiting us, and are the same entities visiting us over and over again? Or ai the Zimbabwe incident, is that, like, the first time that species has ever been here? And did they just seek contact and didn’t know that they’re dealing with little children in a school?

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They just knew they were dealing with a group of intelligent beings that they could communicate with? They probably don’t even have the concept of a school. Right?

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Right.

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So if they they’re landing I mean, they probably understand basic culture from for human beings, but as they land and and interact with people, this might be the first time they’ve this species has interacted with anybody. We don’t know. I mean, we’re we’re dealing with

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Yes.

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100 of billions of stars just in this galaxy alone.

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Yeah. And personally, from just my belief in in it is that we have a millennia of these sorts of encounters all through manuscripts. Even George Washington’s got his story. You know? George Washington’s story? Yeah. He he met a green somebody before he actually went into a

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Yo. Pull that up, Jamie. George Washington had a UFO encounter?

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Well, yeah.

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Or an entity encounter?

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An entity. He he he just said that this was

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George Washington also had lead poisoning. Shane Shane Gillis Shane Gillis has the best bit about George Washington. I don’t know if you ever seen it. It’s fucking hilarious. But going to the George Washington Museum and seeing George Washington’s teeth and George Washington’s teeth

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No wouldn’t.

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Well, no. They were slave teeth. First of all, they they knocked some of the teeth out of slaves’ mouths and the other ones were from horses.

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Oh ai god.

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And it was set in it’s all in lead.

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Sai he had

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lead in his mouth.

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I always thought they were wooden.

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So his joke is all about, like, George Washington being fucking mad with lead boys. Ai cry. Like, fucking killing everybody. That’s why I stood up in front of the boat. He was out of his fucking mind.

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Yeah.

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It’s a great bit. But but the point is, like, George Washington was being poisoned by, you know, medical science at the time. They didn’t know that lead was bad for you.

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Yeah. It’s, Which

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is crazy. He kept lead in his mouth.

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Yeah. But, I do remember.

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I know. But, like, makes you wonder, like, what are we doing right now that the future people are gonna go, these fucking idiots were doing that?

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Mhmm.

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But George Washington, have you found his account, Jamie?

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Not officially. Sai

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said something about I mean, it’s from ancient aliens about the founding fathers. Good enough. Solid reference. Ancient aliens. If it’s not ancient aliens, it’s legit. Yeah. Meh Giorgio Tsoukalos to say it was

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Yeah.

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Wild hair. So all those all those things that happened to those kids, we don’t know if it was I mean, we’re hearing stories now that they can mess with your mind. We don’t know if they’re pushing these kids forward mentally. We don’t know if they’re, you know, dumbing them down because they know that’s these kids are gonna be the ones that are gonna make a difference because it all depends on

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what Well, they’re all adults now. Right? Yeah. Are any of them, like, real exceptional or any of them, like, PhDs or something like

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Not that I’ve heard

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of them.

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I have not Ai have not gone to check any of that. But one of the things that coincides with that that I kinda I think there was exceptional people usually have to do some exceptional things to to get noticed. And I think even if you’re exceptional, you may not have fit the right block to get to get noticed sai that someone would sit there and go, hey.

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What’s going on in your past? Whatever. And then there’s a lot of these people they just don’t wanna talk about. Right. Because of whatever the stigma.

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But now that the stigma is being lifted, you know, who knows? Maybe ai not muscle covered.

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Been the sting was being lifted, but people still live with the haunting memory of the stigma being a part of their life. Sai, like, think people that have had an experience a long time ago, even though the stigma is lifted, they’re still reluctant to talk about it. It’s ai there’s still people that are in the closet. Like homosexuality is, like, way less taboo than it’s ever been in in modern history. Right?

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Mhmm.

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But meh, there’s still people that have been in the closet for 20 years and then trapped and they just, like, fuck. And they can’t get in this house. They can’t get out. I think for a lot of people that have had these crazy experiences, they probably had some moments where they told people, friends, and they got mocked, and people called them liars.

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They felt like an idiot.

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Like, I’m

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just not telling anybody this anymore. Yep. Which totally makes sense.

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Yep. Yeah. And it’s

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the same thing that’s happening on X and other platforms as well. It’s just people coming forward ai to speak their truth

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Mhmm.

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And they get shut down by people that don’t have never been there. They’re just opinionating.

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Yeah. But this that’s just toxic Internet.

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That’s just the 100%. I agree with you.

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It’s just human beings ai. They’re just not good at it. We’re not good. It’s it’s too new. We suck at it. We’re real shitty to each other.

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Yeah.

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You know, it’s and too many people, it’s like they’re mentally ill. And what I what I mean by mentally ill is, like, if you’re on Twitter 130 minutes a day and you’re you’re constantly tweeting before you go to bed, you’re mentally ill. You might not think you’re mentally ill. Just like when you’re an alcoholic, you’re mentally ill.

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If you’re a

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gambling addict, you’re mentally ill. You’re not well. Right. Right? You’re fucking trying to bet your house on a football game. You’re out of your fucking mind.

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You’re addicted. Yeah.

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You’re mentally ill. You’re mentally ill if you’re on Twitter all day just arguing with people. Mhmm. It’s it’s just the nature of the technology and the the very crude way that people interact with each other, which just leads you to think that as technology evolves and it gets to the point where we’re communicating telepathy through telepathy, telepathically, like, supposedly they can, it sort of eliminates the need to even know our language.

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They can just come and and give us thoughts and ex express things in a pure way without the need to, like, decipher it through syntax and

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But there’s still the the worry of misinterpretation because my family was pretty religious and when I was growing up, they’re like, God is omnipotent. God knows everything. God doesn’t make mistakes and everything. And then I was like, that’s not exactly true, but if you think that God is omnipotent and he’s communicating with everybody, how is it that all the leaders that serve a church have different views on how we’re supposed to talk to God?

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If God is Right. Why isn’t he just saying

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experience, really. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s the same thing with the, I think, the NHI is that, like you’re saying, you’d like to put a pattern to it Yeah. But maybe there’s not. There’s some, you know, very random things that have happened in other encounters, but there’s some of them that do seem to be have a concerted effort, a prolonged effort ram maybe even millennia, because we do see, like, old stone, ancient, you know, monuments and monoliths that do have these depictions of what look exactly like grays.

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Yeah.

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You know? The craziest one is hidden in Australia, the one that’s on the wall where there’s all these dudes with the big ai. I forget where

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There’s a there’s a couple of places where that is.

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There are

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a couple of those. There are cave paintings that are like that. Yeah.

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Where are those from?

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Ai think there’s some down in South America.

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I saved one. I’ll send it to you, Jamie, because it just

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if Ai sai the

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other day online and it freaked me out so much Ai saved it on my phone. I was like, this is so crazy just to look at.

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Yeah. And there was one on the side of a, like, a hillside or a cliff face. Yeah. That was May

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I ask why why why it freaked you out?

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I think

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that was Arizona.

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Well, because I just sent it to Jamie. We take a look at it right here. Jamie, you could throw run that through a Google search. You could find out where it is or I’ll do that while you put it up on the screen. It freaks me out because these people were starving. These people were ai barely getting by. Right?

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They’re they have stone tools and they took the time to draw these things with these ai weird helmets on and these big black ai, which is very similar to so many different encounters that people have.

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Mhmm.

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They they all describe a very similar thing, a big head with giant black eyes.

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Mhmm.

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So so those are the typical grays, but I heard in South Meh, there were people that they showed that picture to, and they called them the ant people because they said they came from underground. Yo.

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Mhmm. Well, that’s that’s the other question. Like, we’re just sort of assuming that these things are definitely from another planet, that they’re not here and they haven’t been here all along.

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Isn’t it the That’s the kind of stars in the Navajo? Yeah.

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So, yeah, this these are Aboriginal drawings or Aboriginal paintings. Yes. Yes. So this is from Australia, which is just Australia. Ai. Wild. And you get them all over the world. All over the world. Yeah. And real similar

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all over the world. Yeah. You got them in Ireland, Europe. You got them in the United States.

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You got central central America. Vast majority of those children that saw UAP, that came down near their school, if there was an entity that was there, it

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was usually the typical gray looking ones that were there. Well, the ones that they saw in Virginia, Brazil are kinda similar, but they seem like a darker tyler. Like, it was almost like a purple. Right? Yeah. It was reddish purple

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or something like that. Yeah. But they did have the black eyes. Purple. Right? Yeah. It was

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reddish purple or something like that.

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Yeah. But they

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did have the black eyes and the large heads and

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They had horns though. There was a They had horns. There was a very specific thing that they said

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The pictures that we’re seeing for Virginia, this one had red eyes. And the reason why I’m bringing that up is because a friend of mine contacted meh, a mutual friend that we talked about.

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Oh, okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. He talked he, he was talking about something known as the Dover Demon, and it’s over by Dover Dover, Delaware.

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Mhmm.

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And there was supposed to be an incident where a a UAP came down and there was a creature, and it looked a lot like the Varhini creature with the red eyes and whatever. So he was asking

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That’s what the Virginia thing oh, that’s the Dover demon.

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Meh. That’s the Dover.

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Yeah. That looks like a shoebill bird, that crazy bird.

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Yeah. But he said it had bright red eyes.

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And Oh, fun. Imagine that. Imagine running into that thing in the night.

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Right. So the question was Never

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sleep ai.

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Never sleep again.

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Yeah.

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All I know is Sai like a dog traveling

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It does

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look a lot

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like the Virginia one, though. Yeah. That is go back to that last drawing you drew, Jamie. Oh, you pull up pull up, brother. Now if you can, will you pull up the image of the Virginia drawing? Because they had an art artist, who talked to little girls that saw that. And those women and, you know, the the really that look at it. Come on, man. That looks exactly the same. Yeah. And there’s those bumps on the head though.

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But, yeah,

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you can see that

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That’s exactly the same fucking thing, man.

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Right.

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Like, literally exactly.

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Yep. So I I told I told Travis, if you ever sai if you ever get me to go to come to Skinwalker Ranch, I said, know that I’ve got a plan, and he was like, what are you talking about? I said, I will not be the slowest runner. However, I will not be the fastest runner because I don’t because I don’t know what’s really going on there.

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I don’t sana run from one thing into another. So I’m gonna make sure I have an escape plan.

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I went to Skinwalker Ranch.

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Oh, you did? Yeah.

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How did it go?

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Well, we I was doing it for a television show and, we interviewed a bunch of people that ai there and, one ai. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of people that they wanted to be interviewed, then when we got there, they chickened out. It seemed like there might be some drug use going on in the surrounding areas. Mhmm.

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A few people seem like a little on tilt, but I think that’s a good part of, America. Yeah. I think there’s a lot of people. You could find some packets of people in America that are just doing drugs. So I wouldn’t say that that was what it was, but this one guy that I talked to didn’t seem like that at all. He seemed very respectable.

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I don’t remember what he did. Mhmm. But he was very smart guy, blue collar ai, and, lived in this very modest house and he had this story of this thing, that flew into, his yard and through his house. And he said it was a small orb and he said it seemed to be communicating with him. And Wow. This guy didn’t have any other bullshit stories.

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You didn’t have any claims of just this one experience that he said was beautiful. He said it was incredible that this thing seemed like it was alive, it seemed like it was communicating with him, and it went right through the walls, and then it and it went through the wall again and disappeared.

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I’ve had a similar case. So every March Ai go to Seaside, Oregon because they have a paranormal conference and I I’m not into the paranormal stuff, but my friends are. So I wanna listen and I wanna tyler. Right. Because this is me get trying to get over my fear of going in there.

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You have a fear of paranormal or a fear of being around the people that believe in paranormal?

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No. Of the paranormal because of certain things that I’ve heard from when I was a kid, you know, and you have to overcome some of those childhood fears and stuff like that.

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Okay.

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So when I was there, I was, giving us talking about my app and all this other stuff and these 2 Asian ladies were watching me walk on the stage and I was like, why are they looking at me like that? Sai was like, is my flight down or something? What did

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I do?

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You know? And as soon as I stepped off the stage and I said, mister mister Logan, what are they? What are they? And I was like, what do you mean? She pulls out on her phone the most beautiful, pristine picture of an orb sitting in a doorway. And I’m like, what happened there?

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And she said it was my birthday and she said all my family was there and she said but I got tired so I was laying down and she’s heard I heard like this electrical discharge going on and she said it came right through her wall started floating across her ram. She said it got to her doorway.

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She screamed and all her family came and the the sana, I guess it was took the picture of the orb and I was so amazed by her story. I I even forgot to ask her to give me a copy of the picture.

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How long ago is this?

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This is like 2 years ago.

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We’re sai fairly modern phone.

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Yeah. It was a it was an iPhone. She was, they were from Northern California and they drove up to this to this thing and I’m just like, so what happened? She said she said it actually sat there and did this ai a heartbeat getting bigger and smaller

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Woah.

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And then she said it just kinda went back out the way it came in and she goes, what are they? You you you were on the task force. Don’t you know about these things? And I was like, woah. You know, we’re not omnipotent. You know, we’re trying to learn just like you are. And and and every year, I’ve been back there twice now. And every year I go, hey, if those 2 ladies are in here, can we talk?

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And they haven’t shown back up. But but it sounded just like your story of what happened to this other Yeah.

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He was the only guy that was compelling. There’s a bunch of other people that had goofy stories of bulletproof wolves that appeared out of the mist and, like, okay. Mhmm. They just seem like some people just wanted to be on TV, which is normal. Right? Right. Show up with cameras, people tell stories.

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And this is another show that I worked on once. It was called Game Show in Ai Head and this is pretty funny. We, told people so there was a the game show was we would take a contestant. The contestant knew that they’re gonna pull pranks off people, but they didn’t know what the prank was gonna be.

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And so we had a piece in their ear and we would put them out in the public. And my thing was that I had to tell them that they are, a news reporter and that someone had just seen a UFO and had an encounter with an alien, right there in Hollywood, but the person who was the witness took off.

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Would you be willing to go on camera and say it was you? And everybody said yes. They all did. And people had crazy stories. They talked about being abducted and being on the ship and experience and they were communicating with me. They just fully made up stories.

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And that was an eye opener for me. I was ai, wow. You put a camera on people. They just are so hyped to be on TV. They just bullshit you.

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Yeah. They they can.

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That was because the guy

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the guy who was in on it was shocked too because he was ai, I can’t believe that these people just started fucking lying.

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Yeah. When you meh in ram ai like that, that’s where you kinda have people that do that. It’s just to in grand ai or enlarge themselves.

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Sure. Everybody wants to especially when you put a camera on people.

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But then you get with in with other people ai the the whistle blowers I know, they’ve pretty much given up everything ai meh, you know

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But this guy was not interested in, you know, much attention. He just wanted to tell us his story, and he was a regular dude. Yeah. Like, we talked about all kinds of stuff. He had a big trout on his wall. It was a he would he had a a trout, like, when they make trophies out of fish, they don’t really make trophies anymore.

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They now that what they do is they take a photo and the measurements and then they make ai a plastic version of that fish that looks exactly like it. That’s how they do it. But this guy had, like, a real trophy fish that he had mounted. I’m like, they don’t even do that anymore.

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So I arya asking him questions and Can you show my head? Yeah. That’s it. But long time ago. But the point is this guy was a sincere dude.

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He was telling me how he caught the you know, when I’m asking people questions about stuff, I wanna know how you think. You know, when I’m talking to some guy that tells me you had an encounter with an orb, I wanna hear what you talk about. Like, how do you talk about you at work? How do you talk about you with your kids? How do you how do you treat your dog?

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You know,

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how do you you know what I’m saying? Like, I’m trying to, like, get a gauge of this guy. He seems super sincere. Just a regular good guy, very accommodating, like, very friendly. You

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would have made a good analyst.

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Yes. Maybe.

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Because because the the thing that we’re trying to do is to all source analysts just to look at all aspects of what ai. Yeah. And sometimes people just go in there. Well, I mean, the the thing that really upsets me is when I was part of the task force was someone just handing me a picture and just going, so what is it?

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Right. Right.

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No context. No nothing. You’re just ai

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okay.

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You know? Fake. Right. Yeah. I don’t know what the fuck that is.

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So we put it through the image analyzer.

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Right. You ai, I don’t know if you’ve had any mental issues or, you know

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Right. Right.

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Sai mean, someone showed me something that it was a button on a glass and at first Ai was like that looks really intriguing but there was something about it that was just it wasn’t quite right and I’m like Ai think this is fake but I don’t know why And then finally the guy said, you know, button on the glass, you know.

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I was like Ai the thing that do you know that feel have you ever seen photos of miniature cars?

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Yes. Yeah. There’s shah autistic kid that does that doing really good

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pictures. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. But there’s but the what I was getting at, there’s something wrong with the car that even in a photo, you know it’s not a real car. Yes. You know it’s a miniature car.

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Your your brain is very good at that.

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Yep. It’s real that’s a real weird one because it doesn’t make sense. Like, there’s a just there’s a perception. You look at it like, oh, that’s a miniature car. It’s a fake. That’s like a Hot Wheel because they’re really good now. Like, if you if you pull up a photo of, like, a a miniature Mustang.

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Yeah. There’s there’s an autistic kid out there that That’s

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ai he does.

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That’s all he does. He gets miniature cars and puts them in a real background. I’ve

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seen that. Yeah. I’ve seen that. Yeah. So these are miniatures? Yeah. Those are fake. Okay. Well, that That’s really good. That’s really good. That’s a lot better than normal.

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Yeah. But you can

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That’s really good.

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Ai are not resting, you know, flat like there’s weight to the car.

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01:08:20

Oh, that’s a good point. That’s a good point. Sai those

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are the things in an as an analyst, you you look at in the image. It’s just you you’re looking at, you know, things like that.

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Actually, yeah.

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That’s the kid. 13 year old kid.

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There you go.

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Yeah. That’s Oh, okay. So he’s really good at it. He’s really good. These look other than what you said, Jay, that you don’t see the weight of the ai. Mhmm. But let’s like, okay. That one right there, that Sana, Click on that one, the blue one. Yeah. That’s a Nissan GTR. I’m looking at that.

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I’m ai, that’s sai fake car. I don’t know why.

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01:08:49

Yeah. That looks like a model. But why

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does it look like a model?

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It’s gotta be that driver’s window.

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It’s the details to me.

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I don’t know. But everything looks pretty fucking good.

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Yes. Well, yeah. It looks good, but there’s this little details that your mind is picking up on going, it’s not quite right.

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01:09:02

Right. I mean, there’s something about it. Right? And what is that something about it?

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This this kind of falls into the area too of, when you do see a UAP something about it is what’s telling you that it’s a UAP but you’re also looking in your in your ai, you know, memory bank to say this is fake, this can’t be real because it’s not doing X, it’s not doing whatever

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ai

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and then sometimes you end up going it’s just not real and throwing it out of my head and then all of a sudden someone either tells you something that makes you go back and go, oh my god that thing did that so maybe it was real Or you see something about it, something weird about it that just triggers you and you’re ai, oh, o m g. And now your your whole thing your whole view on the whole universe is changing because you’re ai, I did.

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That’s one of the litmus tests I give people when they, you know, because I have a lot of people that ask me, can you vet this guy? He says he’s had an encounter, and then I kinda go through the experience because, you know, the one that I had in the desert, there’s a telepathic kind of a thing that happened during that conversation I had with that gentleman in the desert.

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And there’s parts of that that people have only really experienced it. They actually know about, like the residual data that or information that’s left behind in your own mind, because you’re sharing a mind space and things like this. And there’s certain things that when I ask questions of people that, you know, sometimes I can tell right then and there you weren’t there. You know?

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That’s not ai experience, but the people that do describe it, and I know that they’re telling the truth, there’s certain characteristics about that communication type that you only get when you’ve been talking, no kidding, telepathically with

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01:10:45

Right. Well, especially you as a person who’s had an experience.

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01:10:49

Correct.

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You you have something to gauge There’s certain things, like, in your field, like, if you ran into a dude at the airport that was a faker, you know, there’s a lot of guys who have, like, put on, like, fake military outfits and pretend they’re and then they get questioned by real Stolen tyler. Yeah. Yes. It’s weird. It is. But people are weird. People will make up crazy stories.

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So, like, when you’re dealing with the craziest of crazy stories, which is UFOs have been in contact with me. I’m special. They chose me to talk to me.

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And I don’t feel special at all. It was accidental.

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01:11:19

Well, that’s probably because it was a real story.

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So when he first showed up, I was one of the first people to get his

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He he knows my whole history, man.

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When he first showed up, first thing I I I I read through everything, I was like, I’m gonna have to run a background check on this guy.

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01:11:38

Right. He might be kook.

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Right. And then I was like so I did the basics, and then Ai I called up David Grush, and I was like, boy, do I have a doozy for you? I I can’t do anything with this guy because I I I there’s not enough here for me to do a thorough background check, but, boy, you gotta listen to what this guy has to say.

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And from there, David took it on, and I was like he came back to me because, well, this guy looks to be the real deal. And I was like, holy crap.

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01:12:08

So we we kinda teased that then. So let’s let’s get to your experience. Ai don’t you tell everybody what happened?

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Just doing my job at Nellis. We had 2 things we did. We did the telephone monitoring. I ai

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01:12:21

talk Nellis?

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It’s in Nevada. So, I’m working at Nellis Air Force Base for the that 3, and that’s where the program they have a shop that, of 4 ai, I was one of them, that we go out and monitor for the program. So anyway, the other side of my job was also doing monitoring for everybody else that wasn’t in the program.

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01:12:44

Ram when

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you say monitoring, what do you mean by that?

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You’re actually plugging into ai just like you heard tapping, telephones, all the all the ways we ai, you know, all the telecommunications ai. We made sure that we listened to radios, we listened to radio waves, all that, and we gather it all in and what we’re tasked to do is, you know, say a commander at Wright Patterson, you know, we went to do it’s always a 2 week mission mostly unless it’s part of an operation like Desert Storm and you stay for a month or 2 and then you change out teams, but 2 weeks is the store the standard.

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So we go 2 weeks to Wright Patterson, we gather all the information we can and all the telecommunications means, and we also have an OSI team that’s trying to sneak in the doors and get into the facilities they shouldn’t be at just to test the security, and that’s all we’re there for.

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And at the end of the day, on the last Friday, we go in and we talk to the staff. And then about 90 days later, we put in a final report and give that again back to the staff. And that’s kind of how we rolled. So we’re going up range for those kind of things. We don’t do the telephone monitoring when we go up range to the test range at Nellis.

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That was what we called meh forcing, and what our job was there is we were also trained to do combat ops against our own pilots so that we could help them survive in a wartime environment and that was done at the top of Black Mountain and that we call that a there was a little schoolhouse there and then if you walk up another few yards there’s really those big golf ball looking radars or satellite dishes were up at the very top.

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But anyway, that’s where we were heading this one day. So we all packed up, we’re in Beatty, Nevada, which is the Burrow Inn. I can tell you that’s where we always hold up at, and we take off from there every morning to go do the Ram and the PM push. That’s what you call it when the war is on, you call it the push.

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So we had 1 in the morning called Ram push, 1 in the afternoon PM push. So we were all heading up for the AM push in a convoy. There’s 3 vehicles, probably about 3 to 4 people per vehicle. I’m in the lead vehicle with the ranking ai. He’s driving and I’m right behind him and then there’s another gentleman in the passenger seat across from the driver and then there’s a young lady next to me and we’re all going up.

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01:15:02

And the ranking guy had been there the week before and he had seen the craft fly by because that was and that one’s out there on the Internet. You can pull down the video. There’s a report that goes along with it.

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01:15:17

Is there

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a video

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01:15:18

that we can watch right now?

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Right now. Yeah.

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01:15:20

What would he search?

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Search for, let me think, Nellis test range UFO 1994. Dun dun dun.

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01:15:31

Who filmed this?

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01:15:33

This was filmed by the operators on the range because you’re we’re putting these pilots in a risky situation by playing war with them but we’re training them. So if there is any kind of a mishap or a pilot or plane goes down, everything needs to be recorded. So they have This

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01:15:51

is it right here?

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Yes. So this is being taken this video is being taken by one of these cameras that’s up up on the range. And along the bottom, you see that this, is also trying to lock on to the craft so it can, you know, follow it as it goes in and out because this is the kind of way that you wanna track if there’s a a craft that is having problems.

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01:16:11

Mhmm. This is moving very radically.

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01:16:13

Right. So this is what my the ranking guide Sai I pause

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01:16:17

it for a second? The this tracking, is this manual or is this like some sort of automated system?

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It’s an automated system.

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So the automated system is having a hard time

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01:16:25

Locking on. Locking onto it. Yeah. If it locks on you’ll see a big spike and that means that it finally locks on. Right now it’s trying to but something is stopping it from locking on and they think it was the craft.

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01:16:37

It’s moving ai crazy ai to side all over.

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01:16:40

There’s actually a recording that goes with

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01:16:42

it where you got you hear the

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01:16:43

guys going, hey. Does anybody know what this is? What what’s going on here? Do you hear that?

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01:17:11

Okay. The the the sound is terrible. Yeah. They need better mics.

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01:17:15

Honestly, it has to be a ai tuning up there, but anyway

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01:17:18

But he but he’s saying, what is that? I don’t know. We’re having a hard time locking on to it. Right.

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01:17:22

Right. This is the video operator. So this the following week after this happens, this video is taken, the ranking guy who had been there the week before and saw this thing ai, he takes us in this, when you you go on the range through this one gate here, it it goes up a little ways and then there’s a containment area.

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It’s got a very small place where you can change your tires, get gas, you know, just, you know, minor maintenance to get your butt home if you have a car that’s busted. And then in the back of that containment area, there’s 2 huts that look like campers really, glorified campers.

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01:17:57

So the video operators are in the one that’s off to the, the northeast of the the catalman and in the very corner of it. And the ranking guy just says we all have to go in here. We’re gonna go talk to the video operators. We have to do this. And, and this was because the week ai, everybody came back to Garrison or back to the our unit, and they had seen this thing and they were all talking about this UFO.

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01:18:23

So we go in there and there’s the video operator. He has us all write our names down whether we were there and saw it the 1st week or not. Then he makes us all sit down and watch that video, and he sai, do you know what this is? And we’re like, no. And then he just said, okay.

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01:18:39

Thank you. And then we as after everybody that was there saw it and had wrote their name down, we were allowed to leave. And that was all that was required. And so I was like, well, what was that all about? But then as I’m exiting, this lady that had been sitting against the wall on the far part of the, this little hut that we were in, and, she, like, grabs my arm and she just says, there’s somebody on the range.

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01:19:05

Don’t talk to him. And she was really really freaked out and I’m like, thanks strange freaky lady. Got it. And I’m like, whatever. Sai, like, we all hop out, we get in the vehicles, and then start taking off towards Quartz Mountain because right at that condominium area, there’s a hard right.

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There’s a hard right that goes off to Quartz Mountain and about a mile, half a mile to a mile down that road, it’s all dirt road up ai the way, there’s this guy. It looks like he’s wearing a uniform like we are. He got ballad dress uniform on. So he’s he’s sees us and he starts to look like he’s running and he’s he’s got this really weird run, like his arms are are ai of flailing behind me.

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01:19:45

It’s like he was running against the hurricane ai, and it was like he was gonna fall over at any time. And I was like, yeah. It’s a bit windy today, but it ain’t that bad. So it looked really strange, and then I began to notice his skin tone looked like he might be hypothermic.

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01:19:57

And I’m thinking, oh, crap. This dude’s been out here. It’s freaking freezing out here because it was a very cold day and the wind was blowing. It was, you know, those cold days where it didn’t matter how many layers you had on. And sai as we’re getting closer, I’m talking to the the ranking guy.

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01:20:11

Hey. We need to slow down. So, anyway, I’m thinking this guy’s probably in big trouble. I need to pull off my jacket. I need to give him something to get warm real quick. So I’m starting to do that, and we’re approaching.

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01:20:23

And by the time we I get my jacket most of the way off, he’s right there, at the, you know, the the corner of the the front of the arya. And I ai So

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01:20:32

so he looks pale?

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01:20:34

Is that what you’re saying?

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01:20:34

He looked like an albino with a very bluish kind of undertone. If you could imagine, you know So

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01:20:39

you you’re assuming ai a you’re immediately associating that with, like, he’s freezing.

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01:20:43

Yeah. Because that’s that’s all I could equate it to. Right. And then, as I’m starting to open my door to try to, you know, administer aid to this guy, the dude in the front passenger seat screams he’s got no ears. And I thought that was pretty rude because I was like, The guys in prison.

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01:21:02

Does he

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have a hat on? Does he have a hat on?

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01:21:04

He’s got a hat on and he’s got BDUs that look absolutely clean, pristine, and when you’re up range, you do not wear your cleanest uniform. You’re in a dirty ai, you wear your scuffed up boots, you don’t take them with you.

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01:21:16

So he’s got clean vatsal dress uniform, Ai States military uniform?

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01:21:20

It looks very out of place ai I finally do it. But anyway, I step out onto the roadway and this guy screams that he’s got no ears ai I just think it’s really rude and then I close the door and I look up and he’s got no freaking ears and his eyes are twice as big and I just I’m like, Yeah.

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01:21:35

What the hell did I just walk into? This guy’s not from around here.

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01:21:39

How far away from him are you?

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01:21:41

Probably from me to low.

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01:21:43

Just a few feet?

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01:21:44

Yeah. Just a few just talking distance.

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01:21:46

Okay.

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01:21:46

And I’m starting to freak out, but then he starts to talk to me and it’s not my language, But it’s coming to the the understanding is ai coming into my mind about every word he’s saying because, and

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01:21:57

So he’s actually saying words.

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01:21:59

He’s sai saying words, but it doesn’t sound like anything I’ve heard before.

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01:22:02

But you’re understanding what he’s saying? But I’m understanding. So I know there’s a telepathic thing going on here. What he’s saying.

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01:22:04

But I’m understanding. So I know there’s a telepathic thing going on here and it calms me down at the same time because I’m having to respond to him. And he’s like, Hello. I’m having trouble with my craft. I need some repair material. Do you know where I could find some? And this is what he’s talking to me about, and I’m like, you mean titanium? Because I didn’t know anything about at the time. But ai, he’s like, no.

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01:22:30

That’s not it. And I I’m like, well, at this point in my career, I had just left the program sai I knew where Dreamland was and I pointed to the mountain range because you can see for for days in the desert. But I pointed towards the mountain range and I said, Dreamland’s just over there.

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01:22:47

And and this wave of emotion hit me ai disgust, like, I am not gonna talk to those barbarians and murderers, You know?

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01:22:56

Wow. So he was saying that to you? Like, his reaction to going to the military base

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01:23:02

sai Exactly. Yep. I was not going to talk to ai. He sai, I am not going to talk to those people. And then I was like, well, shah.

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01:23:09

And it was barbarians and murderers?

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01:23:11

He’s he literally ai, that was what he called them. Yes. And meh, that’s what it was. But the emotion

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01:23:17

Trentium, is this a real thing?

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01:23:19

Well, that’s what I’ve had a lot of friends. There’s analysts also that were on the the top secret network that were trying to help me understand what material

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01:23:28

They were throwing everything at him. We’re like, is it this? Is it this? And he’s

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01:23:32

like And

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01:23:32

they finally that’s the one. When they hit trintium, I was like, that’s what it was. That’s what he said.

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01:23:37

And what is trintium?

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01:23:39

It’s a type of, well, can he bring it up on

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01:23:41

the Yeah. Sure.

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01:23:42

Yeah. Because it should pop up on Wikipedia pretty quick. But, it has some properties that probably

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01:23:48

work. Are you saying trintium? Yeah. Tritium is, that’s the stuff that’s in lume. Ai, in your watch, when your watch glows, that’s, or the you know, they they make those where they it’s they’re basically radioactive isotopes that stay lit. So, like, if you get, like, a Marathon watch.

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01:24:06

Marathon makes military watches and the the it doesn’t need, like, this car this watch, you need the light and the light charges the lume and then when it’s dark out, you could read the hands for, like, a few hours.

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01:24:17

It’s the thing that needs to put on the end of

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01:24:19

the guns. Right? Exactly. They still do. Ai lot like Sig

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01:24:22

has a lot of guns.

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01:24:23

Tritium also put

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01:24:24

them in there. Ai a lot that’s I did that. That’s not giving me much. So trintium chunky glow and the dark glitter. What is that? These are all ai these are game websites. Oh, I see. I don’t know.

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01:24:35

Okay. So it’s tritium then. I maybe mispronounced it.

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01:24:37

Ai tritium is that’s that radioactive isotope.

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01:24:41

Mhmm.

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01:24:41

That’s the stuff that emits light.

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01:24:43

Yep.

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01:24:44

And so it emits a speak form of radiation.

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01:24:46

Yes.

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01:24:47

A rare radioactive isotope of hydrogen with a half life of 12.3 years. Mhmm. Okay.

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01:24:53

So this is what he’s asking me for.

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01:24:55

So he’s asking you for that stuff? Tritium?

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01:24:57

Yep. And I’m like, I don’t know where

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01:24:59

to go. Oh, look at that. It’s used in boosted fission weapons and thermonuclear weapons. Oh, great. That sounds pretty sure. I wonder what the fuck it’s doing on your wrist. Is there anybody

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01:25:11

This is what the best image that we have. Nobody could have looked like. Oh,

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01:25:15

boy. Can you send that to Jamie?

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Yeah. I I I don’t know Jamie’s number, but, we’ll find a way to

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01:25:22

Is that my phone or anything? Yeah. Yeah. Is that an iPhone? Yeah.

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01:25:25

If I had my phone, I would, but I it’s out there, I think.

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01:25:28

Yeah. AirDrop it to Jamie. Do you know how to do that? There was that one. Know how to do

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01:25:32

that. And there’s a 3 dimension

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01:25:33

ai with UFOs. You better know how to do that.

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01:25:35

Well, there’s a a three-dimensional image of the craft as well well that is really spot on from what I saw that day. Yeah. Because not only did I see this guy running towards us and talking to him, but off the shoulder of the on the north side of the the roadway, that’s where the craft was just resting on the the desert floor.

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01:25:52

And that’s I got a really good look at it at that point and, it this guy did a a 3 d rendering of the description and it’s ai it’s spot on as I’ve ever seen. It’s it’s almost perfect.

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01:26:06

So he asks you for tritium. You tell him ram. This is what it looked like.

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01:26:11

This is what the guy looked like. Pretty close to it. Yo. The nose is the nose was a little bit rounder on the end, but, that that was a really good rendition. But, yeah, his his eyes just his eyes almost came out to here on the temple.

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01:26:24

Wow. And that would freak

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01:26:27

me out. It it freaked me out. I mean, honestly, I’m not an easy guy to meh, you know, to get freaked out, but that really put that, like, you’re you’re Yeah. You just saw an alligator pop up out of the water

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01:26:38

kind of thing. Right. Sai when you tell him go to Dreamland, it says I’m not gonna go where those murderers and barbarians arya, and then what happens?

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01:26:47

And he said, no. So I I was like, well, where else can I possibly point him to? Because I’m like, I don’t know any metallurgists or whatever. So I’m thinking to him to me to myself and I’m and I relate to him. I said, well, I’m taking college classes down in the, you know, in the city of Vegas, you know, Las Vegas, at the community college, but I have a geophysical professor that Ai, you know, taking a class from.

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01:27:13

Maybe he has a metallurgist friend and he’s like

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01:27:15

So you’re thinking at this time though it’s a metal?

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01:27:17

I ram. Yes. Right.

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01:27:18

Because you’re thinking it’s some kind of like titanium, some some type of

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01:27:22

Right. Right. And there’s also when he This

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01:27:24

is the the 3 d image of what the craft looks like.

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01:27:26

That is almost as spot on as I’ve ever seen. That is about it right there. That’s almost exactly what I saw resting on the desert floor.

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01:27:33

And so you’re trying to find different people that you can connect this being to?

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01:27:39

Yeah.

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01:27:39

And what is it saying to you while you’re He

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01:27:41

he he thought that that was a good idea, I think, or he was ai, I made made him he was he had that that kind of and he wanted to take action, so he just he doesn’t really even say goodbye. He just kinda turns and off he goes back to his craft. And I’m thinking, well, okay. And, I get back in the car, and sometime during that conversation with this entity, I remembered looking over at my friends in the car and they had the weirdest look on their face ai they’re all zonked out, totally zombied, like they couldn’t even they were just drooling on themselves.

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01:28:14

Were were they just because they were flabbergasted? Or was it because something was going on?

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01:28:20

Well, I figured out that maybe he it was done by this entity because none of them seem to even remember the the incident. Only a few people seems to remember that we stopped, that we had talked to somebody on the roadway, but it was mainly the people that were in the back of the the convoy.

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01:28:35

So they didn’t see it up close like you did. Right.

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01:28:38

Like we did. The people were

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01:28:39

like far away would they be?

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01:28:40

They’d probably be a good, 2 car lengths behind us.

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01:28:44

That’s still enough to detect whether or not someone looks blue though. Right?

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01:28:47

Correct. And that’s probably what they saw. But you you know me, I’m kind of wide and I’m big. I was very muscular back then.

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01:28:53

And you’re standing in front of this thing?

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01:28:54

So they’d have a difficult time because this guy stood about a good half foot shorter than meh, and so they probably could see his arms from time to time, maybe catch a glimpse of his face or something. So they probably didn’t get a very good view because, you know, if you’re looking at me, I’m standing right next to my door Mhmm.

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01:29:10

And they’re behind me kind of almost off obfuscated by just the angle that they’re looking at him. So it could all the windows are tinted in those vehicles. Mhmm. And they can’t just see through the windows right to whichever on the

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01:29:23

left side. That were in the car with you, you feel like something happened to them that, like, froze them?

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01:29:30

They did look like that. Yeah. Like you said, just a look of just utter ai, you know, like

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01:29:35

The guy who said it has no he has no ears, does that guy have a recollection?

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01:29:38

That guy, they can’t find him.

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01:29:40

They can’t find him?

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01:29:41

No. Ai I’ve tried I was asked by the UEP task force, David Grush, to reach out to these folks, the people in the car. I got a hold of 1, got a hold of him on LinkedIn, and we started talking and, you know, just, hey. How’s the wife? How’s the kids? That kind of stuff. How meh was

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01:29:56

that UFO we met?

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And as soon as I did that, the guy just disappears and ghosts meh. And I can’t I don’t know what happened, but he was the Rankin guy in the car. The guy that was the passenger, nobody can seem to find him because they did try to verify the people in the car arya I gave the names.

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01:30:12

And the young lady, that was off to my right, I don’t know if they contacted her, but I’ve heard from other people that were part of this background investigation about my story. They found 2 people that verified my story, and I don’t know who they are. They’ve been told to keep their mouths shut by somebody and I’m and I’m kinda pissed about that.

Speaker: 2
01:30:35

But, I think James Fox knows who they are and and knows exactly who told them to shut up as well. But, what

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01:30:44

was that incident where James Fox and you were on a show? What’s that?

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01:30:49

Well, I was just I shouldn’t have said that James Fox knows the the guy who told him to shah up because I don’t I’m not sure if that’s

Speaker: 0
01:30:54

You think you might know. So this thing, can we does it tell you why it needs a tritium? It just says it needs it to fix its craft?

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01:31:03

Yeah. Well, along with that, this is the other part that was telepathic when he mentions this metal and the part that he is

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01:31:10

But it’s not metal. Right? Do we think it’s not metal or

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01:31:12

do you think maybe it’s

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01:31:13

a metal that we don’t have?

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01:31:15

I I think it’s something or an alloy that we don’t particularly make a lot of and or just can’t make. But when he spoke about this, the telepathic image was almost like he opened a Sears catalog in my head that had all the specs for this part that he was needing fixed. And it was the strangest thing.

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01:31:33

It ai described some of the nano channeling of electrical and electromagnetic stuff that was flowing through it that caused these toroidal energies to to emanate on both sides of this piece of of of the equipment.

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01:31:47

So you because it was describing it to you, you all of a sudden had access to all this information, ai,

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01:31:54

you downloaded it into your head? It was like meh, if you and I were telepathic and we were talking about a science project. And he just uploaded

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01:32:00

all the information.

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01:32:01

Yeah. Yeah. And I could just give you all that instead of talking it out. That’s what he did.

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01:32:05

Did you then try to talk to someone and relay that information and, like, download it?

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01:32:11

I’ve had well, once because in the in the r in in the, the forum, we have scientists and stuff like that that, yes, were very interested to get me in a room and talk to me about this. I had people from, DARPA wanting to talk to me, people from people from threats, departments all over the place that wanted to know more.

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01:32:32

And even when I talked to Jack Serafati and Gary Nolan about this stuff, I was telling them things before they even opened their mouth about ai when I talked to Gary Nolan, I just sai, You got that part and you know that it has that that nano ai atomic level layering that can’t be reproduced unless you actually physically are putting these atoms 1 at a time next to each other.

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01:32:57

And he’s like, Yeah. Yeah. That’s it. You know? So I’m telling him this and he already knew, but Ai I shah was the first thing.

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01:33:05

And and so that’s why I knew that what Ai been given in my head he was giving me that that high sign that, Meh, that’s exactly what I analyzed is that piece of material I had. It sounds just like what this guy described to you and gave to you telepathically, that there’s these really minute little things that create toroidal forces.

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01:33:24

They’re they’re doing things to at a very small level. And then when I talked to Jack Sarafati later and he’s got all these fantastical physics equations about how things work, And I’m looking through his documents and, no, I can’t do the math, but I can understand what he’s doing with it.

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01:33:42

And I just find out asked him, I said, so the smaller you get because there’s always that resistance level when it comes to, you know, putting in energy energy and then losing it due to, you know, atrophy and all these other or is that the right word for it? Anyway, the the whole thing was just that when you get smaller, it actually reverses itself.

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01:34:03

Is that now you get even more power out of things if you have a small enough energy source that works at a very it’s ai of like miniaturizing a fusion device of some kind.

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01:34:15

And so did you talk to someone from DARPA? Did you you said these people wanted to talk to you?

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01:34:20

I emailed back and forth. I gave them what information I could, but They

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01:34:23

didn’t wanna interview you? They wanted just email?

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01:34:26

At the time, that’s the way it went. Yeah. I’ve had a couple of meetings though with different places, that I can’t discuss, but they they did talk to me. Yes.

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01:34:37

And is that information still in your head? Yeah. So does it seem like a memory or it what does it seem like in your head?

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01:34:46

To me, it’s like a very clear ai, this is it’s it’s just like a picture that never goes away.

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01:34:54

Could you draw that picture if someone gave you a pad and a ai?

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01:34:56

I’ve already done it. Yeah.

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01:34:57

Yeah. Is that available online? Can someone see that?

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01:35:00

I I don’t know if I pulled that down off the top secret network, but I can reproduce it. I all I did was just recreate it in, like, a a PowerPoint, you know, draw thing. But, yeah.

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01:35:13

But does it remain in your head ai normal meh? Like, you know, ai, you learn certain things in school and they stay in your head?

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01:35:18

The telepathy was it felt absolutely normal. I mean, there was no headache. There was no dizziness, no buzzing.

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01:35:23

What I mean is is the memory the same as a regular meh? Or is it clear?

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01:35:27

No. I remember it as just being part of the conversation, just like a normal conversation. Mhmm. That’s what it feels like.

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01:35:33

But it just somehow or another in that conversation, he put this information in your head?

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01:35:37

Exactly.

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01:35:39

And then it just leaves?

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01:35:41

And then he leaves when he he realizes that, you know, maybe there’s some other venues, ai, you know, me mentioning that there might be a middle or just on staff somewhere, that maybe that prompted him to think, oh, yeah. Maybe I should go research this or that, and then maybe I’ll find somebody that I could talk to. Something like that meh have happened.

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01:35:59

Did you by the ai sense of where this thing was from?

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01:36:03

Yeah. There was a star map from that day, but it also relates to the lunch hour after we started going back up to Black Mountain. I had a very strong compunction to go eat my lunch outside even though it was deathly cold, and, I don’t know what prompted me to do that again.

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01:36:19

Maybe he was giving me a telepathic message, but after I walked about a 150 feet down the road, the dirt road from the top of Mountain Black Mountain, I don’t remember what happened after that. All I have are two images that keep on flashing back. I remember seeing the schoolhouse from about a 150 feet above or 200 feet above the schoolhouse.

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01:36:36

I remember looking at the rooftop and the other only other memory is I’ve got this star map in my head, and David Grush made me reproduce that on a on a PowerPoint slide. And Ai handed that in to him because I have no idea what the what it was, But he’s like, do you understand what what this is?

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01:36:55

And I was like, no. I have no idea. He’s like, do you know what star constellations are? I said, I I know what the Big Dipper is. That’s about it. And he’s like, this is the constellation Leo. And I’m like, oh, I didn’t know that. And, so he’s like, yeah.

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01:37:10

This is a really close rendition of that. I’m like, well, that’s kinda cool that I could reproduce it just out of my head and and not even know what the heck it was, but I did know it was a star system.

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01:37:22

And for some reason, you just felt compelled to draw this particular star system?

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01:37:25

Well, just after, David Krush asked me to. Yes.

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01:37:28

And was there a specific planet in that star system?

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01:37:32

Yeah. The red the red star that’s kinda like, you know, on the there’s a part of the LEO system that has, like, this, like, very sharp turn into it. I guess it’s like a it looks like a nose Mhmm. Or or part of a triangle. And at the the tip of that is the red star, and it’s reticuli, I think.

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01:37:50

But anyway, that that one seems Isn’t

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01:37:52

that what you always say about alien zeta reticuli? Yeah.

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01:37:56

And then, the strangest thing about this this is what I’m talking about when it comes to telepathy when you’re sharing that mind speak. There’s some residue memory there Because, Dave kept pressing me on it, and he said, can you tell me about the red star? And at first, I’m like, well, no.

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01:38:11

And Sai was like and all of a sudden, some memory came back, and I was like, holy crap. Yeah. That’s where he’s from. That’s that’s his home shah, system, and he came from there. That’s his home.

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01:38:26

And and then we just went on from there, and he said, did you know that they’ve actually just now discovered a few years ago that the there’s exoplanets around that shah? And I was like, No, I had no idea. Sai, all these things started coming together at that point, and that’s when they started saying, Okay, well we’re sana do some more vetting.

Speaker: 2
01:38:46

And within about a month or so they were bringing me to congress, and everything else happened after that.

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01:38:51

Now what is the rest of your life like after that day? Sai you have life before you experienced this creature, and then now you know that this is a thing.

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01:39:04

It’s a thing. Yep. And, it changed me. How do you explain this? If you could imagine the entire human race, you and me, you don’t have to talk to me, but you can feel my presence, you can feel who I am, my personality, and share in all of that. And then imagine that by 1,000,000, the entire planet. You can actually commune with them.

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01:39:32

It brings with that a level of civility in in the control of your thoughts because right now, we don’t read each other’s minds. So our minds are like, oh, look at that girl. Oh, look at that, you know, the sports over here. There’s a football game on. We’re so distracted, but this guy’s when I was engaged with him telepathically, it was ai civility to the maximum. It was ai very courteous.

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01:39:59

He waited for me to say. He’d he’d talk, and it was ai just like we do. We have certain etiquette. Mhmm. But on top of that, there was this part of him that he left me with that was part of the community of the consciousness that he is able to feel all the ai, And that has never left me is that there’s a community of consciousness out there that when they’ve been living for so many years with this sort of ability, it has changed them for the better because their minds are under control finally.

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01:40:32

Their emotions aren’t running them. Ai, you were talking about addictions and things like ai, they don’t run them their lives like that anymore because of it. And if you do, they end up in a criminal list somewhere, I would imagine. But there was such a ever since then, that’s that feeling of peacefulness and civility is what Ai strived for. Never has left me. Never has left me.

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01:40:53

Woah.

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01:40:57

It stays with you, but what, like, what is your experience trying to relay these thoughts in this experience? That had to be weird in the sense that, like, it’s very hard to believe. I meh, I believe you, but it’s very it’s it’s one of those things where, you know, you what? You talk to an alien? Yep.

Speaker: 0
01:41:16

Like, that’s most people are gonna think you’re ridiculous.

Speaker: 2
01:41:19

Well yeah. And, honestly, that’s why I need people to back me up on it because this is the thing that we’re we’re we’re trying to do with the whistleblowers. We all kinda know each other just like Lo would tell you or not Lo, but, just like Logan would tell you. Just that, I call them Lo for short sometimes. It’s a slip up. Understandable.

Speaker: 2
01:41:37

Anyway, so anyway, we we get to talking about stuff, but we don’t know what’s going on daily with each other. It’s like I’ve brought whistleblowers forward to congress since I went forward, but I don’t know their lives. I don’t talk to them every day like I do some of them.

Speaker: 2
01:41:52

And, it’s a strange thing, but the more we seem to be coming out now that we’ve got these few weeks now where we’ve got folks like, you know, Jake Barber and and folks like that coming forward, Now I’m starting to piece things together in my mind because now I’m hearing his side of the story because I didn’t sana be part of the retrievals.

Speaker: 2
01:42:07

Well, guess what? He was on it, and he’s telling that part. And I’m like, oh, no wonder they did that to meh. You know? Oh, that’s that makes sense.

Speaker: 2
01:42:13

You know? And now I’m I’m making those conclusions now because of what he sai. And but then if you try to put us all in a room, we’re all deathly scared that, you know, some jerk is gonna come out of the Department of Defense and shoot us all or or or do a drone strike on us and kill us all, just have done with it and then get on with their lives again.

Speaker: 2
01:42:33

So you’ve got this problem here with us coming forward in a group.

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01:42:38

You’re you’re really worried that much that someone would try to take you out because

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01:42:42

They’ve already messed with my clearance. They’ve already shown me that they can break into my car on the NSA campus. They’re letting me know. They’re they’re they were trying to intimidate me. Because they don’t want you talking about this? Exactly.

Speaker: 0
01:42:53

But do you know why they don’t want you talking about this?

Speaker: 2
01:42:56

Yeah. Why? It’s because they know that what they have done, that there are some parts of it that were really bad decisions in the long run, and they don’t want anybody to crack open any part of this because they know it’s gonna cause questions to to happen, and they’re gonna get put on the spot.

Speaker: 2
01:43:12

Okay. So you finally are coming clean on the fact that we’ve got NHI here, but we’ve got other whistleblowers that have these concerns. That’s what they’re gonna have to face.

Speaker: 0
01:43:22

And when you say bad decisions, like, what do you mean by bad decisions?

Speaker: 2
01:43:25

Well, think about it. If Roswell did happen, what’d they do? They chop up some you know? Think about it. You’d have etiquette if there was a Russian craft that fell. You’d you’d catalog every part of that crash site, and you’d repatriate the patriot, treat the, the dead bodies to where they came from.

Speaker: 2
01:43:44

We give them back to the Russians in honor. And here we are. We’ve got a civilization just crashed there in Roswell, and look at what kind of crap we did to them. And we took all their stuff like it was some kind of a treasure trove that and now we own it? Hell, no.

Speaker: 2
01:44:00

You’re talking about a craft that was manufactured on another part of the galaxy or something that they can’t explain. Nobody knows where it came ram. And here they are treating these people like they’re they’re just some kind of a lab experiment. Let’s chop them up a little more, you know.

Speaker: 2
01:44:14

And then, you know, if they ever got approached by the the people that came to look for them afterwards, I wouldn’t wanna be the person that answered them. Well, I’m sorry. We chopped up your buddy.

Speaker: 3
01:44:24

We had an interesting talk about this. There’s a video online where it shows, like, some gray ai strung up and they’re asking him questions and whatever. And I asked I was asking him. I said, if you were in NHI and you saw that and this this is what the humans are broadcasting. Sorry.

Speaker: 3
01:44:45

And and and this is what the humans are broadcasting. I said, I’d be like, yo, they got Jimmy. Look what they’re doing to Jimmy.

Speaker: 0
01:44:55

Right.

Speaker: 3
01:44:55

It’s on. We’re going to Earth. You know, we’re gonna go get Jimmy back.

Speaker: 0
01:44:58

Video of the alien. That’s fake. Right? The video of where they’re

Speaker: 3
01:45:02

I truly believe it is fake because, like, we’ve It

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01:45:05

looks so fake.

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01:45:06

Everybody says It’s

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01:45:06

like a puppet.

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01:45:07

They talk yeah. They talk telepathically, and here he is. Oh, here’s this voice coming out to whatever.

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Yeah.

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I’m yeah. It’s it’s but we’re we’ve always assumed that they they’ve got the same type of some type of emotions a lot like us, but maybe they’re meh more controlled, much more refined, you know, kinda like how we can

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not that I’m Kinda like us now versus us 5000 years ago.

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Yeah. Well, honestly, when I had the telepathic experience, it was very difficult for me to distinguish what emotions and and feelings were coming from me as opposed to him. It was very obvious when he felt disgust about going to ask about things because I was like, well, I’m not disgusted at him, and I had that that that ability to go, that’s not me feeling that.

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It must be coming from him.

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Right. But it was your emotions.

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Right. But everything else felt like we were sharing literally not only the thoughts, but the emotions that went along with it. It was a true sharing of a mind speak, And he felt just like me. His inner voice is just like my inner voice. His feelings are just like our feelings. He feels sadness. He feels all the things that I do.

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Mhmm. What is the general consensus in the people in the program about Roswell?

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They don’t like talking about it. I think that was where they they probably are are trying to bury it even amongst themselves because they know they made some very bad mistakes about that first confrontation that could have been But it’s a lot better than it what happened.

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So the general consensus is that this is a real event? Yep. And they don’t like talking about it, but does everybody sort of agree or are there people that are dissenting? Do they have dissenting opinions about whether or

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not it’s a crash, UFO? They never heard of dissension. I’ve heard people say Sai don’t sana talk about it.

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They don’t wanna talk about it, but Yeah. That it wasn’t ours. Right.

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They know well, the the only thing this is again when we talk about the intel analysts and everybody else that was on that forum, it’s it’s it’s totally weird that you can go through all these different things as an intel analyst and say, okay. It’s not Ai. Alright. It’s not them. Alright. Let’s look at Russia. Anything nope. It’s not Russian. Is it one of ours? Well, hell no. It’s not one of ours.

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Well, who the heck is it then?

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Does anybody talk about it? Is there anybody that has shared information about Roswell to you? Yeah. Is there anything that you could talk about? No. No. No. It’s all top secret.

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I’ve I’ve just gave the person the confidence that I would not mention it.

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01:47:34

Got it. And, Logan, have you had personal experiences other than the one when you were a child?

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Yeah. But I didn’t know what I was seeing, but, you know, like, after the program came out I mean, not came out, but after James Fox, finished editing everything. Mhmm. He sends he said, well, you haven’t seen everything, put together, so here you go. And, you know, tell me if you, you know, don’t like the way you look or whatever.

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And I’m going through it, and he starts showing I see the stuff about Calvin, the Calvin, Scotland, image. Have you seen

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that one?

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Yes. So that image was taken, if I remember correctly, in August 1990.

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Pull that image up. Yeah. I gotta find that. Thank you.

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You you could just type in Calvin UFO, whatever. So I’m go I had just cross trained from yeah. That one. I had just cross trained ram, maintenance into intelligence, and I was going to my first, intel assignment. And I’m flying from Philadelphia to, Frankfurt, Germany to Rhine Mine Air Base.

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Somewhere between Iceland and Scotland, this thing is zipping around in the in the clouds doing this Ziggy Zaggy thing. I don’t know what it was doing, but it was doing this the sun was just coming up, and I’m eating a Philly cheese cheesesteak. And the other ai is with me. He’s eating a hoagie, and the other guy that’s standing up over the top where I’m like, anybody know what that is?

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And, they’re like, dude, what is that? And then all of a sudden in my head, I’m like, oh, this is my first intel assignment. I’m gonna get clued into some cool ass shah, but I don’t know what the hell that is. But I’m just thinking

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And it looks just like that.

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It looks just like that. And the way it was moving into clouds, it was ai because of the shadow, it was ai going from like that color to ai dark and then light again as it was moving in and it would go into a cloud on one vector and come out on another vector and I’m like, what what is that?

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Mhmm. So didn’t ai what was

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going on sai Ai called James back. I was like, dude, dude, where is this?

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Talk to me, you know, we’re all excited and, he ai, explain to me everything and what happened was I meh to my unit and I talked to them and I go, we have a, weapons tactics guy who’s, you know, they’re the best of the best and they’re leading the group. And I was like, so what is that thing out there? And he goes, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Now this is in January of 1990.

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That picture is August of 1990. And what I didn’t realize was that the Belgian wave, I don’t know if you were familiar with that, whole bunch of triangular devices were seen over, Belgium for almost a whole year. So they just call it the Belgian wave. Police officers saw it. They launched f sixteens after them. Whatever.

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Are there photographs of that at all?

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No. But the general that’s in charge actually gave a briefing to everybody and showed what the f 16 radar was seeing. And Ai guess every time they tried to get close to it, it would just pull away just far enough, you know, that they couldn’t catch it. And then when they would try to cage it in the radar system, it would move to the left and, you know, it was it was playing with them.

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So but I didn’t know any of that. So I just kinda was like, yeah. Okay. I’m stupid. Meh maybe it was part of my imagination, but what I saw as a kid kept coming back into my head.

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So dead to storm happens, whatever, and I’m at my base, and British AWACS shows up. And they’re looking at me, and they’re I still had my accent my British accent. They’re looking at me going, what are you flying with the Yanks for? And I’ll go, what do you mean? They said you know, and I told them my my family thing. They said, why don’t you come fly with us?

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I’m like, sure. Let me ask my boss. My boss says, you ain’t got nothing going on. Go fly with them. So we’re flying around, and finally, I go I go, hey, guys. What’s that thing in the sky that does the Ziggy Zaggy thing?

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Do you know what I’m talking about? And they’re like, you know. And I was like, no. I don’t know. Don’t play with me. And they’re like, come on, Logan.

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You know? And then ai, they pull out this tape and they plug it in and it shows Europe all the aircraft flying around, and you see this thing go through the middle of it real fast. Like, all the other aircraft, the sweeper radar, you’re just seeing these minute movements. This thing is ai it’s gone. And I was like, who’s that?

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And they go, you doe. I was like, look. Stop playing with me. You know? Right. I sai kinda find out. They said, well, that’s your Sai 70 1.

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And I was like, well, that ain’t him. And they’re like, okay. And then he looks at the other guy and he sai, show him the other one. And they show me this radar scope again, and this time there’s a target

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in the middle of not in the middle

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of the screen, but off to the side. It was like could have been ai East Germany or whatever. But every sweep of the radar, he was somewhere else. And I was like, that guy I was so excited. I said that m f right there. Yeah. Who who who’s that ai? And they go, you know.

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I ai like, look. Stop this. I don’t know. And they finally said, we don’t know either. They said, we just assumed it was you Americans playing with us.

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Yeah. That’s what happens a lot of times. Yeah.

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We don’t know who’s serious.

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Think that too. Everything’s America if they can’t explain it.

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01:52:59

Right. Did you see the Trump, administration address the drones today?

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We heard about it, but I didn’t

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see Yes. I had a friend tell me they made an announcement, but we were getting in the car at the time.

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Yeah. Essentially, they said it was all ours and, there was some sort of scanning that was done that was approved and the other ones were hobbyists. And there sai some sort of test that they were doing, but they’re saying that it’s ours, which is

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This is

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very the whole thing stinks.

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It does.

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Because Stinks.

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I actually had explanation.

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Yeah. Ai actually had a person that was up there and, she said one of those things came down low and slow over our house, and she said it had the sound of a helicopter. So she was ai her and her husband were, like, oh, you know, it’s a helicopter, but then all of a sudden they ai she said, mister Logan, were you ever aircrew?

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I said, yeah. I was in special ops, and I flew in helicopters and and she goes, when it came down low, it had the sound of a helicopter, but you couldn’t feel it. And I go, Shah goes, you know when you can feel the rotor wash and it’s hitting you in your chest like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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She said there was none of that. She said it came down slow, low over a house, and then it went back up and then it she said it looked like it went back into formation with something else. And she sai, that’s not any drone I know of. And she sai, it it sounded like the the actual noise of the helicopter and several of the other noises from the drones were all prerecorded just to make them sound like they were conventional aircraft.

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And those are the same things I’ve been hearing too because a lot of people are shoving videos at me a lot in their descriptions of things. And some of the stuff, you know, looked like maybe it could be a spotlight from a helicopter, and then when the light moved, then you could finally see the helicopter behind the light.

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Then there was these other ones ai was like, this is really weird.

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My friend, Mark, saw 1. Mark Norman, what how did he describe it, Jamie? He said it was triangular. Right? I just remember him saying SUV sized. Yeah. He said it was the size of an SUV. He said it was triangular. He said it moved really fast.

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So when they initially came out, they said, oh, they’re all manned. Alright? I think it was John Kirby that was the the

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Speak, and I used to work at the FAA. So my first thing was, well, if they’re manned, you just call them

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up and say cut it out. Right.

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Simple. Right. But it kept going on. And then later on, there was a report that DHS said, oh, one of the drones has come down in a mall parking lot, but DHS is assessed. It’s just a regular drone. So when you hear that, what are you thinking? DJI Mavic, something small, whatever.

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Mhmm.

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Do it again. Someone on x is is on a train going by that exact same speak, and they show a drone next to 2 police cars and this thing is as big as the police car. And I’m like, so I have no way of confirming if that’s the what it’s what it really was.

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Right.

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But I have no reason to believe that this particular person was leaving. He said, he goes, I don’t know what you guys are thinking, but I’m passing that mall right now and take a look. And it’s ai a maybe a 32nd clip or something, and you see this thing. It’s as big as the SUVs.

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01:56:18

So And what does it look like?

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It it looked like, kinda like a gondola with, like large, blades on the on the four corners.

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And So it looks like a very large conventional drone?

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Very large conventional drone. And so I’m just sitting there thinking, was this a test that nobody knew about? Was you know, what what is going on for

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this to

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and nobody got any answers. So Well,

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the other thing that is they could stay in the sky for, like, 5 hours at a time. Right?

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That’s what puzzles me is that that takes industrial sized, power generation.

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01:56:55

Yeah. Yeah. What are you using? Like, what is that thing using? Jamie, can you see the if you’re ai. Cold fusion. Can you find the, video of the disclosure today? It was,

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yeah. Well, while he’s talking about the disclosure, the one thing I do wanna mention is when I talked to the to the AWACS group, I thought it was kinda interesting because I said, so how many know about

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this? And he goes, the whole squadron knows about it. And I was like, what? He sai, yeah, but we just don’t talk about it because people lose their jobs over this. And I was like, Ai heard that as well.

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And I was like, so this is an AWAC. And I said, am I to assume that if you’re a British AWACs, then American AWACs can see it, French AWACs can see it, NATO AWACs can see it. And he just kinda yeah.

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And everybody doesn’t know what it is no one’s talking about.

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Everybody just says it’s gotta be America.

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Let’s hear what this lady

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says. And before I turn to questions, I do have news directly from the president of the United States that was just shared with me in the Oval Office, from president Trump directly, an update on the New Jersey drones. After research and study the drones that were flying over New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown by the FAA for research and various other reasons.

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Many of these drones were also hobbyist recreational, and private individuals that enjoy flying jones. In ai, in the in time, it got worse due to curiosity. This was not the enemy. If a statement from the president of the United States to start this briefing with some news.

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Martha Gitsme is the hobbyists being included in that. It’s like

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01:58:38

Well, they definitely were hobbyists too because there’s hobbyists in Austin around that time. There was a ton of drones. It’s just ai people were like, woah. It’s a drone party. Everybody was like everybody with drones is just flying around.

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01:58:50

Okay. Well, that kinda makes sense.

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01:58:52

It kinda makes sense because it’s so much drone activity.

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01:58:54

Here’s the thing that I I I gotta look at it from an analyst point of view. The first thing that came up, I was like, so they knew this the whole time. Why couldn’t they have said that from the very beginning?

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01:59:05

It’s a different administration.

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01:59:07

Ai.

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01:59:07

Right.

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01:59:08

And then 2, why were they required to have a SCIF briefing on drones? Nobody’s ever answered that. At one point, the congress guys all went into a SCIF and got a SCIF briefing on drones.

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And then they didn’t have a press conference about the results.

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01:59:24

You’re right. Which would

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have been could it be that they wanted to see what happens when you fly things over a metropolitan area and you fly a bunch of drones over highly populated

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01:59:36

I would think shah parts of the country? I only

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have few reasons why I would say that you include both, federal and hobbyist drones in any kind of an activity, and there’s only Well,

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01:59:45

the hobbyists are including themselves. Right?

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Yeah. And that that could just be that they’re accidentally there, but the feds, what were they doing?

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01:59:52

Yeah. And why would they have a SCIF?

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That’s that’s my point. Sai Explain SCIF people

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that don’t know what we’re talking about.

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A SCIF is a a place for information above secret, and it’s a special meh at intelligence facility where we can go in there and talk about things that are above above And

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there’s no recording ai? Right. No phones. No nothing. No nothing.

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Right. But the thing is this. I mean, most of us that are in the intelligence community or whatever, we’re gonna look at it and say something’s not quite right here because this is something domestic happening over the US. So would it really require a Sai, you know?

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Especially if it’s authorized. Right.

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Correct.

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You know? So would it really require that level of security to to go on and and have these guys talk. It just doesn’t make any sense.

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Yeah. The the federal presence to me dictates the fact that if this was innocuous and unclassified, like you’re saying, why was there not a press conference that described it and said the hobbyists are out there flying to and they’re they’re just ai of interfering with our our our lanes where we go and fly normally between one place to another.

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02:01:04

That never came out. So why was the SCIF even mentioned? That’s something that they they did release in the press is that they were were receiving briefings that were in a classified environment.

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02:01:16

And then

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there’s still the yeah. There’s still the the problem with these drones popping up all over the world, especially over military facilities, and that part’s not been addressed. It’s just the other stuff that they, you know

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02:01:30

Right. That was Wright Patterson Air Force Base had to get closed down. Right?

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Wright Patterson, Langley Air Force Base. There’s others. And then there’s reports of stuff in Australia. There’s reports of things to other places in the world.

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02:01:40

Let me ask you this and tell me if this makes sense. If you were the government and you knew that there were nonhuman intelligence that were operating vehicles above our cities, would a way to sort of obfuscate that to launch a bunch of our drones as well and have some shit that you could explain, and then tell people, don’t worry about it.

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02:02:02

It was just drones. It was our drones. Like, sai, here’s our drone. Here’s a drone that crashed. Look. It’s got propellers. Normal drone. Yeah. It’s big, but it’s normal.

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02:02:10

You have no idea how many people have said that already?

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Yep. Yes.

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You’re you’re you’re going in the right direction.

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Yeah. You’ve heard that one. You’ve heard the other theory. They’re looking for a dirty nuke. Right. They’re looking for That one scared you.

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02:02:22

Shah out of me.

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Yeah. I did too. Honestly, I thought that’s what it was about. But and then they have, what, looking for Vatsal, ai, anti terrorist or looking for terrorist groups

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02:02:30

Mhmm.

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Because we were I think at that time, it went through the press that there’s over a 1000 of these, you know, jihadists that were in our midst, and we don’t know where they’re at.

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02:02:40

Right.

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You know, kind of thing. Maybe they’re looking for those. Those are so those are just some of the theories that you come up with with this kind of a scenario.

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02:02:46

And then there was the guy the congressman that said, oh, there’s an Iranian mothership out there, and we were like, what? You know? In the ocean. Yeah. There’s none of this stuff was making any sense. And then you you have to wonder, where was he getting his intel? Because if it’s that crappy

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02:03:04

Right.

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02:03:05

Those people need to be ai.

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02:03:06

Well, you gotta take another thing into the into the calculus, and that is wasn’t this worldwide? I ai, then we we got reports from China even Right. That this stuff was happening.

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02:03:15

Right.

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02:03:15

And they don’t just have hobbyists flying stuff around in their their country.

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02:03:18

Maybe they don’t Right. Maybe they have a much tighter control over their media, so they don’t have to obfuscate. They don’t have to

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02:03:26

Yeah. Trick us. That’s the one part that I find very confusing is just ai if it’s happening in Europe and China and all these other places, what really is going on?

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02:03:33

Or you

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02:03:33

could ai just did a modem and just said, hey. We’re gonna be doing a test in this area. Not don’t sana scare anybody, whatever, but we’re just gonna test in this area.

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02:03:41

If the if it’s just ours. Yeah. Ai. But if it’s not ours and there’s a bunch of shit flying around there and we wanna confuse people, wouldn’t you have a bunch of conventional drones and fly them low over city sai people could clearly

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02:03:54

see them? Done a totally different way and ai not had all this hubbub going on.

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02:03:57

So yeah. You’re right. But why why would you if you know the truth, why would you leave the Americans afraid of what’s flying over their head?

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02:04:06

I think there’s still look, assuming you guys are completely accurate about all this, if they have had this information for a long time, I would assume that there’s a lot of pressure to never release it. I think there’s probably a lot of problems with lying to congress ai to congress about budgets and allocation of resources for these programs that are all top secret, like how have you done this, what have you done, who’s responsible, who made that call, is that even legal, and who are you that if you’ve been in contact with nonhuman intelligence and you have retrieved crafts, who are you to keep that from the rest of the world?

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02:04:45

Exactly. And

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02:04:46

speak for the American government for for that

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02:04:48

if you’re not ai part of it. Right. Especially if you’re you’re not officially I mean, you don’t have the clearance to do what you’re doing.

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02:04:57

Right. I mean, they’re making decisions for the entire human race, not just Meh, but the whole race. And that’s what my beef was when in the film when James Fox asked me about that. Well, why are you doing it? You know, kind of a thing. And I was like, well, I feel like this is the ai of every man, woman, and child on the face of the earth to know the truth about we’re not alone.

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That has nothing to do with the weapon systems and the classified parts that I know of. But the fact that we’re not alone, shouldn’t that be something that everybody should be invited to to make their own decision on?

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02:05:26

Yeah. I would imagine that. But I would also imagine if you wanted to keep your job and if you have a high intelligence clearance and you’re working for the government and you’re a long time career employee of the government, and you wanna keep moving up the ladder and keep you keep your fucking mouth shut.

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02:05:40

Right.

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02:05:40

And that’s where people have to make that decision on their own that, you know, have they seen enough, malfeasance to want to report it or not.

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02:05:49

And they’re gonna throw their whole life into a tizzy if they do that.

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02:05:52

And that’s what happened to me. Yep.

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02:05:53

Yeah. And what has it been like since then? Have you gotten support from more people than you thought you would, or if more people throwing you on the bus than you expected?

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I actually feel more support ai I expected. I’ve made it through. It’s not been easy financially for meh. When they messed with my clearance, like, I haven’t gotten the job since. I’ve been out of work since August August of last year, so that’s not been fun.

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02:06:23

Was there a reason why they said they meh with your clearance?

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02:06:26

Nope. They just made it sound like, oh, it’s just an administrative error. Sorry. Yeah. We still have your clearance here. Everybody that wants to employ meh, I’ve had very, quite a few employers sana hire meh, and they say, yeah. We can see your clearance over here. It looks ai, DOD, is trying to reactivate it, but month by month by month, it just sits there, and they won’t pass it to the employer.

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02:06:51

Somebody is just sitting there going, oh, another request for Jason. Ai delete. That’s what’s happening.

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02:06:58

Because you’ve stepped out of line?

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02:07:00

That’s what it feels like to me.

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02:07:01

Okay. Logan, have you experienced the same kind of situation?

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02:07:04

No. No. Ai he’s in a different class than me. He’s he’s an official whistleblower. Me, I just stepped forward, to say that I don’t think Ai we need the government to do this. I think we as the public need to do this, and I created an app to do that. I was hoping that

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02:07:24

What is your app?

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My app is called Phenom. It’s, an app to report UAP paranormal encrypted, like, events.

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Mhmm.

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And the idea is that we can get multiple people to see the same thing recorded and then look for the outliers and get people ai Jacques Vallee and doctor Eric Davis and Hal Putoff and others, the graybeards, to look at it and say, okay. Here’s what we can figure out. You know, Gary Nolan and all these people, let’s get them the information that they need.

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And then after we get them the information they need, let’s get it out to academia so we can have kind of ai a a more organized approach to finding out what’s going on. I wanted people to to use my app on the drones. Some people did, but not in not enough and

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Mhmm.

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I I had a little bit of a problem because when I put it out on Android, there was only one other app that was close to it that was in the same name. Go back there. There’s, like, almost 10 apps with the same name, so people didn’t know what was going

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on. Confused. But, anyway, to answer your question about the support, meh, I do get a lot of support. There’s people like, you know, Steven Diener. There’s Digby Forno and Tom Thompson. There’s UFO Sarah that’s on x. There’s a ton of people that I can meh, not tyler alone how much support James Fox is throwing at me. That’s what’s getting me through this.

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02:08:45

How many different versions of these life forms have been discussed with you?

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02:08:52

On mission, I can say 3 Ai I know of. What 2 mainly, tall whites, grays. Those are the main

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02:08:59

And the tyler whites like this one that you encountered? The one with the big eyes?

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02:09:04

Yes. Yes. Like that.

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02:09:05

But that wasn’t that tall, you said?

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Right. But the apparently, according have you seen the video ram mister Hall, the guy that was supposed to be the weatherman and actually interfaced with the Tall Whites? No. Yeah. I I totally believe

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I’ve seen too much.

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But, anyway, he says he’s

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Codes in it out of my brain.

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Well, I can verify the fact that what he said about his position there as a weatherman that he could walk around anywhere he wanted to because that’s what the base commander told me when I got my orientation drive thru on on Dreamland, and he mentioned the weather site and that that person does not can walk wherever they want to.

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02:09:38

And what was what what did they report?

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Well, just, what, mister Hall?

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02:09:42

Yeah.

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Yeah. He says that the Tyler Whites go through a growth cycle where they’re kind of normal ai, but they’re very long lived. They live like 800 years or more. But when they start getting older, then they’re they get very tyler, like 7, 8 foot tall, and then they begin to, you know, their bodies begin to not function properly and they ai.

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Ai like somebody who has a growth problem.

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02:10:05

Oh, like a giant.

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Exactly. Yeah. And it their their their ai organs just can’t pump enough anymore.

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02:10:11

Ai large dogs that die early because of the heart ai.

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02:10:14

Right. So the guy that I saw was probably a young person, you know, probably only, like, 70 years old or something like that, which is kind of like an adolescent to them or a young adult.

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02:10:24

Oh, okay. So And this was explained to him through some sort of telepathy?

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Well, he would actually as the weather if you listen to that video, I really encourage you to do that, but mister Hall, also published some books on it, but he claims that when he was there at at this one place that, you know, I can verify it’s there, that on the other side of that that mountain or that hillside, that’s where the the trail goes off into where the tyler whites arya apparently have been given an annex of land to live where they they don’t get bothered. I mean, it’s sai part of the military complex.

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02:10:59

Is that

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02:11:00

on Google Earth?

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02:11:01

There is parts of it. Yeah.

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02:11:03

Can we, like, look where the tall whites live?

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I tried to yeah. I’d have to get my laptop out, but yeah.

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02:11:08

What does it look like?

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It does look like there’s some circular patterns. It does look like there’s, some possibility that there are some ai doors inside the mountain that is it looks like it’s camouflaged to look like it’s part of the mountainside.

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02:11:23

So the idea is that that’s a base for them when they visit us?

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Yeah. Because apparently, according to mister Hall, they come here for a 5 year stint, I guess, and they have to refuel, and then they have another ship come through and and the other one’s refuel fueled sana it’s it takes off.

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02:11:39

So they’re closer in the evolutionary chain to us than some of the other ones. Is that

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02:11:44

That’s my assumption.

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02:11:45

Sai assumption?

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02:11:46

Yeah. Now the other third type that got mentioned on mission was reptilians. But every time that they were mentioned, it was really quickly hushed up by whoever else sai on the other end of the line. Shut up. Don’t say that. It’s what they were doing.

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02:11:59

They don’t wanna talk about the reptilian

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02:12:00

presence sai all. They they would talk about the tall whites and the grays being in the lab of the armaments. You know, not a lot, but some. But these reptilians was it was like nobody wanted to talk about it.

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02:12:13

Was there any sort of an explanation that anybody give you of why they don’t sana talk about it?

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No. The only time I got any inkling was that when I, you know, was out of the program and other people started to talk to me about all the different, you know, things, they’re like, well, how many races are there? I don’t know. But, some people talked about the reptilians. They’re like, do you realize that these are evil? And I had to listen to that.

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And and the thing is we don’t know if it’s because of their appearance, you know, you you would assume something that’s reptilian is maybe a demon or whatever in the Nordic where the blonde hair blue eyed is considered like an angel, or is it that’s just our perception.

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02:12:49

Mhmm.

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02:12:50

But those that’s what you hear. Well,

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02:12:53

every every reptile here is evil. Right? You ever seen a kimono dragon eat a goat? It’s horrific.

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02:12:59

Yeah. They’re

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02:13:00

fucking monsters. Every single reptile is a monster Yeah. That’s here. There’s not one cuddly reptile you can hang out with, cuddles with you. He’s he brings you your newspaper in the morning. Oh.

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I I thought that was funny because the lady ai like, my snake sleeps with me every ai, and the guy sai, no. It’s laying next to you because it’s sizing you up for eventually a chance when it’s gonna eat you. I was like,

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02:13:23

oh, no. Gonna eat you. You have a monster that you pee you feed. As long as you keep feeding, it won’t eat you. Yeah. People with, like, pythons are pests out.

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Well, to give it some credibility, I did do some research after that person talked to me because I did see that there is a a a a reptilian race that is very ai like vatsal. And they even have, according to what I read, this one race has a penchant for blood for some reason. It’s like a a shark frenzy with them.

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02:13:49

They have Like a real reptile? It’s a euphoric experience for them. Yeah. A reptilian race that does that.

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02:13:54

It just makes you wonder about human history, about the stories of demons and angels. And this is what Tucker Carlson believes, that they’ve always been here and that this idea that they’re coming from another planet is not it’s not that simple.

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02:14:09

No.

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02:14:09

That’s more complicated. And he thinks that it’s the the demons and the angels from the Bible.

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02:14:15

Yep. So they could be seen that way, but here’s here’s something that Saloni we were just talking and throwing ideas at each other. He said if humans have actually been on the earth, like, say, this saloni.

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02:14:26

Right.

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02:14:26

Alright? When the dinosaurs were here, they were ai

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02:14:30

Yeah.

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This long. So is it possible, though, some of them could have evolved to a certain point, know that something bad’s gonna happen? They’re so advanced they go off world and then they come back and go, hey. What happened here?

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02:14:42

Or is there a place where the the the Yucatan impact never happens? Mhmm. And so those dinosaurs eventually evolved to become superintelligent.

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02:14:53

Yes. Because remember back in the day, there used to be a Omni Magazine?

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02:14:56

Mhmm.

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Alright. One of those hypotheses was if mammals like us hadn’t shown up, what would we have looked like? And it shows a lizard walking upright and doing, you know, everyday things that

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02:15:10

But wouldn’t you think that it would have done that already? Like, they were around for, like, a 100000000 years, 200000000 years. Yes. Like, in that time period, they didn’t evolve at all. Those fuckers, they just kept eating each other in the same way.

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02:15:22

That’s the assumption.

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02:15:24

Ai

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now we’re going back and looking at all kinds of different things. Like, they said that maybe it wasn’t the asteroid that took out the ai. Maybe it was a combination of things, ai, there was some kind of mutation, something that they drank in the water and it’s and all at the same time, maybe the asteroid was the the catalyst to start it and then all these other things that happened after, you know, the ai, the

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02:15:46

Mhmm.

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02:15:47

All the other stuff, but if there was a group that was so advanced that they could sit there and go, that’s an asteroid. It’s gonna kick our butt. We better get off the road or Right. Let’s go under, you know, because there’s some lizard looking things ai can go underwater and do their thing.

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02:16:01

Live underground, that ai of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

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02:16:03

Because I I I heard a story That’s why

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02:16:05

I know. Heavy. It’s But, anyway,

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02:16:08

Gatt, you heard

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02:16:08

a story? Yeah. Okay. I I I just heard a story that someone just said, imagine this. The aliens are coming down. There’s another society here that lives on the ground, highly advanced, and they like to keep things the way they are. So they’re gonna direct all their energy to make sure that the alien the NHI that we’re seeing are paying attention to us and not them.

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02:16:30

And I was like

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Yeah. But sai, ram me, it I the way I look at all of this reptilian presence is just like I’ve read in the Bible. You know? It that for some reason I feel like this whole experience I’ve had in my life actually increased my faith in the Bible and God. Because even in the Bible it mentions the serpents and that Lucifer being the head of that that genre or species did cause the fall of mankind and all this other good stuff.

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So to me Ai feel like I’ve I’ve I’ve I’ve I’ve I’ve just got experience with the reality of the fact that these things exist. And even though they try to keep it all hidden that I got exposed to the program where I could see some of it. And I think that there’s some credence also to that side of it as well.

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02:17:20

So to give credence to the whole thing is just to say that I I that’s what I believe, but at the same time it wasn’t there.

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02:17:28

This Eben thing that you talked about initially? Yeah. This creature, what did that thing look like?

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02:17:34

They didn’t really describe the the Eben. They didn’t? Nope. They just said that it was just like them reporting on something, for that day. So it was kind of like a daily thing with them.

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02:17:45

So they had already described it. You just weren’t privy to it and so they were just because there was a problem. Ai that everybody was talking about this.

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02:17:51

Ai, you know, somebody asked me what you look like today. You know, after the first time they asked me, they’re never gonna ask me about that again. Got it. So it was like ai was just not sai problem.

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02:17:59

Sai this Eben, was it here against its will? Was it here to

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02:18:04

It sounded like he was imprisoned. It sounded it sounded like an interrogation result is what it sounded like.

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02:18:09

If you hear any of the stories, they make it sound ai, he was one of the survivors and he got stuck here. And he started working with us, and eventually, he died in the

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02:18:21

He eventually died. Yes.

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02:18:22

Natural causes. But it’s all speculation because we’re in you know, we’re hearing all this stuff, but we don’t have any way to verify.

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02:18:29

And how many other stories that are similar to that, like the interactions and the a thing being here with us have you heard?

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02:18:40

There’s another one that actually escaped captivity. Yo. But he actually convinced his interpreter or his interrogator to help him escape because the program was trying to get him to open a portal for them, and they wanted to control of it. And the guy eventually the the interrogator actually pushed him into the portal and had surreptitiously gave him back to his own home world and it ended that guy’s career probably.

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02:19:11

A portal? Yeah.

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02:19:14

And what kind of portal are we talking about?

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02:19:16

You’re talking ai it’s it’s kinda like a a way of opening a wormhole that you can control.

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02:19:21

And did they say where this thing was accomplished and how?

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02:19:24

I think it was also in reticuli. I think it was another being from the reticuli system.

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02:19:29

Right. But the the portal, where’s the portal? How is it accomplished?

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02:19:32

Oh, the portal, I thought, I was trying to think where was that call from and to because you you always get the originating location, but you’re always trying to figure out who the distant end is. I’m trying to think all the parameters because you you have to write down the phone number and every stuff sometimes.

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02:19:50

It sounded like it it might have been on the the Pacific Northwest or the West Coast area is where this was taking place.

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02:20:00

And did they say how the portal was made? Was this made by them?

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02:20:05

They had recovered parts of 1, and they were trying to complete it, and they were trying to get this being to help them complete the the portal sai that they could use it for their event.

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02:20:17

Like a Stargate? Yeah. Like a real Stargate?

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02:20:19

Correct.

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02:20:20

Yep. Remember what I was telling you that story about, you know, let’s go get Jimmy? Yeah. The the the rumor that I heard surrounding this was that he convinced his interpreter that if he didn’t get back and if thing if if, he didn’t get home, really bad things were gonna happen.

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02:20:40

And that guy just kinda felt like, you know, hey. Ai I got kids and whatever.

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02:20:46

I don’t want society destroyed. Right.

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02:20:48

He had some compassion for him. Yeah. He’s been working with him for a while.

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02:20:52

Yeah. So when he got the chance, he was just ai, you know, meh him in there and

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02:20:57

throw him.

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02:20:57

Can’t remember

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02:20:58

all the things. I think they had to keep this this entity tied to a chair or something sai he couldn’t do anything, and that’s why he needed the help of the the guy that was the interpreter. He had to push him into the portal on the chair that he was tied to.

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02:21:10

Yeah. Ai I so the rumors I heard, I didn’t hear the portal part. I just heard that he somehow, he was able to get him ai, and just as he got him outside, they just showed up above and did a snatch and ram, and he was gone. And next thing you know, he’s out there

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02:21:27

So there’s different versions

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02:21:28

of this ai. There’s different versions. I’m just telling you that’s the only other one I’ve heard that you’re mentioning that you wanted me to describe ai. Right. Was there any other entities that we had captured and had something similar? That’s the only other story I’ve heard.

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02:21:38

Do you know the Richard Nixon story?

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02:21:40

Yeah. Where he went with Jackie Gleason.

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02:21:42

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that’s bullshit?

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02:21:45

Actually, not for that time frame. No. I could see Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon soaking some suds down.

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02:21:52

That that Ai definitely could see. And also, Jackie Gleason did become obsessed with UFOs afterwards and even had a house built the shape of

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02:21:59

the UFO.

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02:21:59

Yeah. It’s a wild looking house that was apparently for sale recently.

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02:22:02

Yes. Really? Yeah.

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02:22:03

Yeah. Yeah. It

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02:22:04

wasn’t in Palisades, was it? It was

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02:22:06

in up no. No. It was in upstate New York. It did look like a it’s very bizarre looking house. Like, you sai, you’re like, why would Jackie Gleason build a sana see it? Hold up. Yeah. You look at it, you’re like, why would Jackie Gleason build a house like this? But then you hear that story, you go, well, maybe that’s why he did it.

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02:22:21

Maybe Mhmm. Because the word was that he had become obsessed with UFOs at one point his ai, and this story came out, I think, as told by his wife.

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02:22:30

Oh, wow. Yeah.

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02:22:31

This sai Jack Seuss in his house, which is so weird. Yeah. Spaceship like house. Very strange. Very fucking strange.

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02:22:40

For someone to do something like that

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02:22:42

Yeah.

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02:22:43

I would have to believe they had something profound.

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02:22:46

Or they were me. I would build that. I have never had a UFO space ship build a fucking house. I love that house.

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02:22:55

Ai I kinda like those too. It’s like when Sai down at Navarre Beach where Ai I have a a home down there in Florida, but there’s a UFO house down there.

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02:23:02

Oh, really?

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02:23:02

Yeah. And it looks just like a UFO.

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02:23:05

They think there’s a UFO house in California somewhere. I think there’s one in the hills above Studio City. I think there’s one. It’s like a famous UFO house. But I think they’ve filmed things to I think it’s like on stilts and it looks like a UFO. Mhmm. I mean, people are always gonna want things that look like that. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the Jackie Gleason yeah. That one. That’s in the Hollywood Hills.

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02:23:29

Called the chemosphere. Yeah. That one’s dope. Pretty cool. Fucking dope. Yeah.

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02:23:34

Ai one’s cool as shit.

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02:23:35

But I’d be terrified living in California with the earthquakes and it’d

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02:23:38

be in the hostage. Stupid place to live. Yeah. Yeah. You don’t you wouldn’t want it as your main house. No. No. That’s a house you visit every now and then when you sana get drunk.

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02:23:46

Yep. Let’s get drunk at the

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02:23:47

UFO house.

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02:23:48

Appreciate some place private.

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02:23:49

Yeah. Have a party. Have a little cocktail party at the UFO house.

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02:23:52

There you go. That’s exactly how I treat it.

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02:23:54

Yeah. It’s ai fun. Yeah. But, so the so the grays, the tall whites, the reptilians, but then there’s the mantis too. Right? Right.

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02:24:04

And those are things honestly, I’ve had we we’ve only discussed a part of my life. I’ve had experiences all the way from 3 years old on, and even after I was out of the program and I was just working, in in Florida, and I’ve seen the Delta or triangular ram, like, three times.

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02:24:23

And one of those times was with my daughter, when we were coming back from her gymnastics class, pretty well, just before I I retired.

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02:24:33

And what did that look like?

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02:24:34

It was ai, the size of a 3 story home but it was, you know, pointed and on the top it was kind of angular, kind of like what you see the F117 look like where it’s angular. It kinda looked like that. It had, pale, grayish white lights on the underside on the on the cardinal corners, and then in the back there was a flat panel that looked like a grill where there was a light that there there’s, like, these stack of, straight up ai, like, fluorescent lights are that would go to the right and then to the left.

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02:25:09

And did it make noise?

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02:25:11

Zero noise. Zero noise.

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02:25:12

And they’re just flying through the air? Yep. Fast? Slow?

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02:25:15

It was going fairly slow, and then when it banked, it turned and then that’s when it sped up a little bit and then I lost it in the trees. Then I saw it 2 other times. One time was, going to work and the other time was in 2022 when I reached out to some of the program folks that I used to know to tell them, Hey, there’s a space on the top secret JWST Computers that they’re talking about UFOs, and I pointed them directly to this this delta shaped, craft because I was like, I know what this is and I know what they know it is.

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02:25:51

So I was trying to let them know that you need to look at this this imagery that we have our hands sana, And ends up they ended up showing up with it, and they showed me flying in flight. They followed me home the next night, and and it was right there above my arya, and I’m looking kinda like

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02:26:11

So is this hours?

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02:26:13

It’s hours. Yeah. It’s a hybrid or it’s ours. I’ve always told people

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02:26:17

A hybrid meaning what Well,

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02:26:19

here it is. The the whole thing is that in the nineties, I know they were on mission with me at Wright Patt, and we saw a Delta shaped craft. It had different nacelles at the time or engines at the time. That’s what a nacell is. And then sai this new version looked very similar in shah, however, it had these glowing orbs that looked like they were part of the propulsion system.

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02:26:40

So they had upgraded part of it, and now it looked fully functional and operational because back in the nineties, it was not.

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02:26:47

So this is the other thing that I keep hearing is that we are in possession of technology that is many, many years ahead of anything that anybody could anticipate.

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02:26:57

And and when we get ai, I call that exotic material and or whatever you want to call it, but we get our hands on that and about every, you know, 10 years we get a breakthrough on it because we do study it and sometimes somebody is smart enough to figure something out. And the next thing you know, we’ve got fiber optics,

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02:27:15

or

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02:27:15

we’ve got cell phones, and we’ve got transistors. Now we’re nanotech, you know. Where did all this stuff come from? Is some of this part of this NHI presence and that they’ve taken a patent that was developed inside the ram, and now these people from Lockheed and Northrop are patenting this stuff and then making lots of money on the outside.

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02:27:36

Other than the the beings that we described, are there other ones that people have talked about?

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02:27:41

Yes. I’ve actually like I said, as a young adult, I probably encountered more of a spiritual sense, but they were Nordic looking, you know, platinum hair kind of a look, blue eyes.

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02:27:53

Like the tall whites arya different?

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02:27:55

No. Different. They yeah.

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02:27:56

How many documented different species have you heard of?

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02:28:02

If I’m talking about my mission days, it’s only that handful. And then if you’re talking about other things that I’ve had other people tell me about, I think I’ve I’ve heard enough from enough people that I trust that I think our concept of life in this universe is totally off.

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02:28:19

I think there are literally trillions of other life forms, and anything you can imagine is probably true.

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02:28:27

That’s a that’s an interesting thing because I always one of the things that I wondered when we we used to talk in the task force was if this is the you know, we’re the alpha species here on Earth. So what if what we’re seeing is the alpha species from another planet? Think about what other critters and other things are running around.

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02:28:45

And maybe if we see something wild and crazy over here, what if it’s somebody, you know, who’s got a dog like sai? You know, all of a sudden, this, you know, something goes you’re like, what was that? You know, we just don’t know. So the you know, we can speculate in everything and build all these hypotheses up, but we’re constantly looking to to add to what we think is out there sai we can figure out going,

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02:29:09

here’s what we figured out. Here’s what we haven’t. Now is the conventional explanation that these things are from other planets, or is there speculation that they’re interdimensional? Is there speculation that they live in the water?

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02:29:24

Yes. All of that.

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02:29:24

All of that.

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02:29:25

All of the above. Ai would say that, the way they appear and disappear is interdimensionalism shah and I’ve had other friends that have had encounters that have talked to me that they could see a larger craft and then it turned and all of a sudden there was a door opening and a creature coming out and yet this other part of the craft seemed to be, like, a long way off.

Speaker: 2
02:29:51

So it’s, like, interdimensionally large. However, you know, when it turns, it’s not ai our 4 dimensional world.

Speaker: 0
02:29:58

I’ve heard of a craft that you go inside of it, and it looks like a couple 100 feet on the ai, you go inside of it. Yes. Exactly. Football field.

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02:30:06

Yeah. Doctor Who style.

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02:30:08

Because it’s going into this other dimension, and there’s actually more space to that. Yes. And that’s what this guy was describing.

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02:30:15

So Ai we’ve we’ve all heard that, too. The the other thing too about the dimensional thing, because of the speeds that they’re moving in, it could be that they’re moving so fast. It looks like they slipped into a dimension because sometimes you’ll see these things go off into the sky and then do some weird whatever and then they’re gone.

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02:30:34

And

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02:30:34

then other times what you’re seeing is this thing is moving slowly and then all of a sudden it’s gone and you’re ai, did it just slip into another dimension or is that there

Speaker: 0
02:30:44

Is the speed so fast that you can’t track it with your eye?

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02:30:47

I Ai have heard yes. I’ve heard people tell me that they were seeing some of these things moving at 16,000 miles per hour plus, and we’re still accelerating. I’ve never been able to verify shah, obviously, but these are some people that seem to know what they’re talking about and, you know, they just kinda come forward.

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02:31:09

I I would just have, ai Sai was on ai task force, I would just get a phone call and just said, hey, are you mister Logan? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ai like, check your email in about 5 minutes or, you know, hey, there’s something I sana tell you. And I have no way of verifying it, but the idea would be to put it in a little box somewhere to say, hey, this is an unknown.

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02:31:30

And maybe someone like Jason would come along and verify what this guy just told me or verify what I just saw in a video that maybe he can corroborate on. We would look at primarily for the task force, we were looking at the safety of the pilots because they were having so many problems and they kept filling out all those safety reports, you know.

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02:31:53

So we’re ai, but and I remember asking, the task force director, Jay Stratton, I was like, what about all the commercial stuff that’s going on? And he says, I wanna incorporate that, but I can’t because with their stuff, we don’t have a good chain of custody on what’s happening.

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02:32:09

And if someone’s manipulating the data with the stuff that’s coming directly from the pilots, we can. So I was always looking at what the pilots told me they sai. And then me and several others in and outside of the task force were looking through the commercial stuff to see if we could find the same exact thing.

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02:32:29

Because that’s how I I when I first got it pulled into the task force, it was, I talked about my app and I was gonna do this just to figure out just something for a hobby when I get older, you know, when I grow up. And, then Lou Elizondo came out with Leslie Keene and their their story, and I went and found Lou.

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02:32:49

And I said, if you’re serious about what you’re talking about, stop stop by my office because I just wanted to see if he could do it. And he showed up with the the gang, and they presented their story about the pilots and everything. And we were like, oh, okay. And I said, well, what about this weird thing over here? And they’re like, how do you know about that?

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02:33:10

And I was like, I got friends in low places kinda like you, you know, and and I and they looked at me and they said, don’t worry. That one’s, we’ve been told that something mundane is nothing important. And I was like, I meh to differ. And I was able to show them in, a video, the same thing seeing somewhere in the in the world through civilian stuff.

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02:33:37

And I remember when they were leaving after they heard everything, and, all of a sudden, Lou just turns back around and goes, you’re in. And I was like, in what? And he goes, you’ll see. And next thing you know, I was in the task force. So and and for me, I was like, oh, my life just came full circle. I I saw some things and now I’m I’m actually gonna investigate these things.

Speaker: 0
02:33:59

Mhmm.

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02:34:00

And so that’s how I kind of pressed ahead. And then just to add on top of that, remember Ai said when, Jason showed up, I I called David Grush. Ai? But the funny thing was Ai I hadn’t even been in the task force that long, and I was trying to look at things. All of a sudden, I get a phone call, and I’m like, yeah. How can I help you? And he goes, my name is David Grush.

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02:34:25

Are you serious about all this stuff you’re tracking? And I go, yeah. He goes, I want in. And I was like, And he goes, I think I have something that can, help with you guys. And I was like, well, I’m not in charge of this.

Speaker: 3
02:34:41

Ai gotta introduce you to, you know, Stratton and and company. And so I introduced him and every now and then Ai would say hi to him and we’d talk and he’d call me on the phone, but who else I mean, I’m going to Stratton. I’m going to all the people in the task force and he pops up and I’m like, oh meh god. You know, what do you do with that?

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02:35:03

You

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02:35:03

know? Right.

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02:35:03

I don’t have the resources.

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02:35:04

Meh invited like he did.

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02:35:06

Yeah. I didn’t have the resources to check out everything that he did.

Speaker: 0
02:35:08

One of the things that we keep hearing, Christopher Mellon’s talked about this, many people talked about this, is there is evidence that’s been classified that is high resolution video sana photographs that are very distinct, very different than some of the blurry stuff that we’ve seen. Yes. Have you guys seen any of that?

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02:35:27

Yep. Yes.

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02:35:28

You have? Can you talk about it? Nope.

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02:35:32

All I can say is that there’s some really, really good, clear, high def stuff out there that

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02:35:42

Can’t explain.

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02:35:43

You can’t explain. You’re you’re just sitting there going

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02:35:46

We went through the whole rigmarole on these objects. You had people on one side of the fence, people on the other side of the fence, people in the middle of of it all, and nobody could draw a conclusion.

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02:35:57

Thing we’re trying to do is go, okay. Could that could that be Russia? Could that be China? Okay. Who else is there? And you you go through your whole list. Then you once you put that off to the side, you go through now. What are we observing? Mhmm. And some of the things, you know, like Lou said the 5 observables plus the 6 which is, you know, the psychological effect on that, but you’re kind of going through those looking for all those.

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02:36:20

They’re not always there Yeah. But they’re super clear and some of them you’re ai, how I mean, you look at it and you just keep saying, how can that be?

Speaker: 2
02:36:31

Yeah. Because you’ve got also, you gotta understand that these are these are professionals. We had imagery analysts go through looking for false positive, like, camera artifacts that that look like something they’re not,

Speaker: 0
02:36:43

in They could do AI analysis of images now. They’re pretty accurate.

Speaker: 2
02:36:47

Exactly. And we had a whole day database of all these false positives to go through, and it wasn’t matching any of that. We were going through the imagery analysis of the video looking for flaws ai artifacts. Couldn’t find anything.

Speaker: 0
02:36:58

And this you’re talking about a high resolution video? Yeah. Like, it’s much clearer than the stuff we’re seeing?

Speaker: 2
02:37:03

Exactly. Yeah. And what’s

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02:37:04

the resistance to that stuff getting out there to the general public?

Speaker: 2
02:37:07

It’s just classification.

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02:37:08

Yeah.

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02:37:09

It could be where it’s at, those type of things. It could be anything. Yeah.

Speaker: 2
02:37:12

Because one of the things that I think the community really gets hung up on when it comes to the intel community is that the classification is one thing, but when you don’t know if something is a threat, you automatically assign a value to that as being credible or not credible. And right now, they can’t draw a conclusion. Therefore, they don’t wanna declassify it. Therefore, it will not be divulged in public because of those reasons.

Speaker: 3
02:37:33

I was telling him in my ai first thing as an intel analyst to go friend or foe.

Speaker: 2
02:37:42

Right.

Speaker: 3
02:37:42

You know? And then the next thing I’m trying to do is, you know, break down all the characteristics and and we would sit there and you’re looking. Ai I when I first joined the task force, I remember there was a group that I used to walk in their office because they’re they’re smarter than me, you know, so I wanna make sure I’m getting the best input.

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02:38:01

And the first couple of times I showed up, everybody pulled out the aluminum hats, they plucked and started playing the x files music, and I’m like, okay, guys. But what about this? And I throw it out there and they’re like, oh, yeah. What is that? After about the 4th or 5th visit, no more music.

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02:38:18

No more I come in. Everybody’s already hunched over what I’ve already sent them. They’re like, yeah, what is that? Because we would Jay Stratton asked us to he sai, lean forward and get out there and and you use an all source approach to looking and gathering all the information on what we can find.

Speaker: 3
02:38:37

So I would capture, like, I’d call up a drone guy and sai, I need you to come to my office. Take a look at this. And he would look at it and he’s ai, holy crap. How big is that? What? How? And I was like, yeah. I I need answers.

Speaker: 3
02:38:55

Can you take a look? And he would Logan, I’ll get back to you. A couple weeks later, he’s like, dude, I I I got nothing. And then, you know, we would have an imagery guy look it in and, you know, sometimes they could sit there and say, dude, that’s this.

Speaker: 0
02:39:07

If you had one piece of footage or image to release, would there be one that really stands out? Like, if you said if they said, look, you could release this one, just one of these classified ai resolution videos, is there one that really stands out as being unique?

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02:39:24

It’s a group for me. It’s a group of Can

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02:39:26

you describe any of

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02:39:27

it? I think Lou Elizondo described 1. There’s the story that he talks about, I think commander Fravor discusses about the the torpedo.

Speaker: 0
02:39:40

Uh-huh.

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02:39:41

Do you remember that one where he’s, the story is that, they were launching torpedoes and, you know, they blew the ballast on the torpedo. The torpedo came up to the top and they the divers came to hook their torpedo and just as they were about to to hook it, something very large ai an island came up underneath them.

Speaker: 0
02:40:03

Mhmm.

Speaker: 3
02:40:04

Alright. So I get this weird call and it’s you you have to play devil’s advocate because when you when you’re trying to tell guys that they were they were the observer and you’re trying to say, hey. Well, you know, it could have been this. Some of these guys get downright angry. They’re pissed because you’re questioning their ability to discern what’s going on. They were there.

Speaker: 3
02:40:29

You weren’t, you know, so you have

Speaker: 0
02:40:30

to something life changing.

Speaker: 3
02:40:32

Right. So you have to be careful because after a while, nobody will wanna talk to you again because, oh, Logan’s an asshole because he you know?

Speaker: 0
02:40:38

Right.

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02:40:38

So you’re very careful. So this guy just sends me this thing, and I’m looking at it, and I just maybe a couple weeks before Ai heard this story with Fravor and and Elizondo. So I’m like, what is this? And there was this all I can say was there was something very very, very large.

Speaker: 3
02:40:58

Yep moving under the water, but not not too far that you can’t see it. But it’s moving under the water and it’s passing objects that I know are really large and this thing is bigger than them.

Speaker: 2
02:41:13

Right.

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02:41:13

And I’m sitting there going

Speaker: 2
02:41:15

Well, I think they mentioned one of them and that was the oil tanker one.

Speaker: 3
02:41:18

Yes. Yeah.

Speaker: 2
02:41:19

That one confused the hell out of meh. And there were people saying it was just a a shadow.

Speaker: 0
02:41:24

That’s the one that was going 500 knots?

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02:41:26

Yeah. The one that was going

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02:41:27

pretty thick.

Speaker: 2
02:41:28

Yeah. Yeah. But some people were saying it was just some kind of a round object that’s the sun is is just making a large

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02:41:33

The shadow of the moon going across the face

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02:41:34

of the

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02:41:34

earth and not

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02:41:35

Somebody did another analysis sana they looked at the wave tops and they’re ai, this is not a shadow. Otherwise, we show up on the wave tops. This is under the surface. And this thing

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02:41:43

And it’s disturbing the water underneath it.

Speaker: 2
02:41:45

There’s this little part. Made this oil oil rig out in the ocean look it dwarfed it. I mean, this was, like, 3 or 4 times bigger.

Speaker: 0
02:41:52

So the speculation is that they’re hiding in plain sight in the water, or is the speculation that there’s always been a civilization down there?

Speaker: 2
02:41:59

I would I’d I’d say in my in my opinion no. In my opinion, I would say that they are have been here a very long time and that the underneath the ocean and underneath the ground are 2 of the best places to stay hidden and out of the way of prying eyes.

Speaker: 3
02:42:15

Yeah. You go out in the booty somewhere or you go like, there’s a whole bunch of activity going around around Puerto Rico.

Speaker: 0
02:42:23

Puerto Rico?

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02:42:24

Yeah. There’s a whole bunch of activity that is going on, you know, where the Namits incident accident shah happened. Ai. So there’s things that we wanna verify because you hear stories about things ai you’ve heard of the Baltic anomaly.

Speaker: 0
02:42:38

Mhmm.

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02:42:39

Ai? So the first thing you wanna know is, well, first of all, is it actually there? Once you verify that it’s there, you wanna know

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02:42:47

What’s his composition?

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02:42:48

What’s his composition? All those things. There’s another thing on there. You can look it up ai now. It’s called the Cuban Atlantis. It’s supposed to be 13 nautical miles west of Cuba. Ai? And it looks like there’s triangles and everything else there. And I’m like ram the moment that thing came out I’ve never heard anybody else say we’ve been there we’ve checked it out we ai it it’s there let’s send a dive team down The thing on the right there,

Speaker: 2
02:43:16

you know. That’s it. Yeah.

Speaker: 0
02:43:17

Yeah. That’s under the water?

Speaker: 3
02:43:19

Yeah. That’s supposedly 13 miles off the coast of Cuba. Oh, that’s what we really wanna

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02:43:23

know. Yeah.

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02:43:24

We wanna verify that.

Speaker: 0
02:43:25

Crazy. You know? Yep. Whatever

Speaker: 2
02:43:30

that is. Yeah. Where’s the National Geographic documentary on that?

Speaker: 0
02:43:31

Is that wait a minute. Is that for real?

Speaker: 3
02:43:33

Just the one

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02:43:34

Ai never even seen that before.

Speaker: 3
02:43:35

All the other ones I’m thinking are fake, but this one up top right there where the thing is

Speaker: 0
02:43:40

Click on that, Jamie. Yeah. Ancient origins. Is it a crackpot site? No. It just doesn’t Yeah. Doesn’t give the vibes of a place to start looking

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02:43:48

for Right.

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02:43:49

Relevant information.

Speaker: 3
02:43:50

Right. That’s a good way to put it, Jamie.

Speaker: 0
02:43:52

There’s no vibe.

Speaker: 3
02:43:53

So supposedly what was

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02:43:54

happening vibes, man. There was some people doing something coming across the water and I like a UFO.

Speaker: 3
02:43:59

And they saw it. So could it be that the Caribbean

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02:44:03

We ai this one.

Speaker: 3
02:44:04

Yeah. The Caribbean’s hot. Oh, wow. And there’s something out there, you know. Skip ahead.

Speaker: 0
02:44:10

It eventually goes in the water.

Speaker: 3
02:44:12

Yeah. That’s very weird. Even even this one, we’ve we’ve looked at it.

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02:44:17

We argued over this for months.

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02:44:18

How fast is this thing supposedly going?

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02:44:20

It’s not going that fast. Yes. It’s it’s a it’s kinda quick like a like a Learjet would.

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02:44:26

Yeah. Yeah.

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02:44:27

You know?

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02:44:27

But but vatsal looks No remark. Ai right in the water.

Speaker: 3
02:44:30

The two things that stick out about

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02:44:32

this that it goes in the water.

Speaker: 3
02:44:33

It does. There’s no rooster tail

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02:44:35

fast in the water. Yeah.

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02:44:36

There’s no rooster tail that comes off it.

Speaker: 0
02:44:38

Right. And

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02:44:38

the other thing is at one point near the end, it actually looks like it splits in 2. There’s like, one’s a holograph sana one’s

Speaker: 2
02:44:45

Right. And now there’s some other imagery guy that’s saying, oh, that he didn’t it didn’t actually go in the water. It’s just

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02:44:50

sai matter

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02:44:50

of fact.

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02:44:50

See it splits up?

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02:44:51

Yeah. There you go. See, that’s the part that you can’t and what are we seeing with the drones? Some of these are splitting. Ai? And these are the ones that I find very curious because those are the ones that get sent and they’re ai, it’s an orb but now there’s 3 of them, you know.

Speaker: 2
02:45:06

How do I explain that?

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02:45:07

Well, listen, I wanna thank you guys for having the courage to even talk about this because I know it brings with it a lot of ridicule. And, for people like me that have no idea what’s going on, it’s very fascinating.

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02:45:16

And, you know a lot more than most.

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02:45:19

Well, I I I still don’t know anything though, so that’s not good. Because I know where they are. Wait a minute.

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02:45:25

Wait a minute.

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02:45:26

Yeah. But Ai I mean, all I know is what people have told meh. So I don’t know what’s real and what’s not real. You know?

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02:45:30

True. Yep.

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02:45:31

But, I appreciate you guys very much and thank you for being here. If you got social media, tell everybody where they can get a hold of you.

Speaker: 2
02:45:37

I’m on Xspace mainly. Just my name, Jason t Sana, is my moniker. So

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02:45:43

Logan? I am at phenom.earth. Just look it up, and you’ll see information about my app and and, a little bit about my background. Okay.

Speaker: 2
02:45:52

And I’ve got a first hand fund. I’m trying to get further whistleblowers to come forward as well.

Speaker: 0
02:45:56

Okay.

Speaker: 3
02:45:57

James Fox did ask me to pass you something. He said, if you could put out a shout out to anybody, that has information on the Varhania stuff because he’s found some new information and he needs to start corroborating.

Speaker: 0
02:46:11

Oh, okay. Where they get a hold of James? Is James Fox director, I think, on Instagram?

Speaker: 3
02:46:16

I believe so.

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02:46:17

And his x speak is also a good way.

Speaker: 0
02:46:18

Okay. Ai. Beautiful. Well, thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here. Ai. Thank you, Joe. Very good to hear you. Alright. Bye ai,

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