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In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, several key topics and themes are discussed. A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the California wildfires and the potential solutions for water management and fire prevention. The speaker criticizes the rejection of a proposed plan that could have addressed these issues, emphasizing the importance of better water distribution systems and brush management to prevent future fires.
The episode also touches on the speaker’s experience with Spotify, highlighting the platform’s support and lack of interference in content creation, even amidst external pressures during the COVID-19 pandemic. This leads to a broader discussion on the benefits of independent content creation, where creators can maintain control over their work without executive influence, allowing for organic growth and monetization through advertising.
Another notable topic is the decline of trust in mainstream media, illustrated by reactions to the 2016 U.S. presidential election results. The speaker reflects on how media figures were caught off guard, marking a shift in public perception and trust.
Chris DeStefano is mentioned as a guest who introduced the concept of “Operation Unthinkable,” adding depth to the conversation. The episode also explores the nuances of communication, emphasizing the importance of subtext and intention behind words, rather than just the words themselves.
Overall, the recurring theme is the value of independent, critical thinking and discourse. The podcast encourages listeners to engage with content that challenges mainstream narratives and to appreciate the power of unfiltered, logical discussions. The episode underscores the importance of maintaining authenticity and control in content creation, while also recognizing the educational value of analyzing public discourse and media interactions.
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Thanks, Tom. How are you?
My pleasure. I, I wound up seeing you as many people did on those, videos that you’re making where you were talking to students. You know, just kind of like exploring critical thinking and asking students questions and why they’re upset about certain things and getting to the bottom.
And I’m like, wow, this guy is ai, he’s young, he’s obviously, an academic, but super reasonable ai, like, really level headed. I’m like, we need more of this. This is really interesting. And then I then I found out you got fired for doing that. And I was, like, if this isn’t an encapsulation of all that is wrong with, our current higher education system, then I don’t know what is. Mhmm.
Well, to be fair, I didn’t get fired for that, technically. I think I got I got fired for posting another one similar to it, but I think they were looking kind of that whole thing was so bizarre for everyone. It was so big. I think there was at the school where I teach, there’s kind of one this echo. Sorry. I gotta get used to this.
One, like, person in control of everything that makes these decisions, and it was so nuts. I think they genuine like, we don’t know what to do because if we fire him, it’ll our name might get out there, which is their primary, you know, concern, I think. And
Do you not want their name to get out there?
I just no, it doesn’t feel right.
No. What’s important is that what what it is. Is that this is a resistance to thinking. I mean, it’s really what it is.
It’s a resistance to questioning why people have, like, certain, like, deeply ingrained thought processes that are a part of an ideology.
And I think what you were doing was really pretty brilliant. It was awesome. And I I love the way you were handling it. It was ai, you know, very calm and rational, just having discussions with students and you kinda see ai a lot of their flailing and trying to rationalize ai they have these sort of incoherent beliefs.
Yeah. And I don’t teach critical thinking. I was when I was a teacher, I was teaching multimedia, ai, what we’re doing now. Working with cameras, did a lot of podcasting. I had this lab that I developed over 4 years with a bunch of Mac computers with Adobe Premiere Pro, Photoshop, a 3 d printer.
So it was using technology to make art at a speak education school with kids that had behavioral challenges and some a variety. Anything you could come up with, we had it there. It was ai the last line of defense ai of for public schools that couldn’t handle these kids. They would send them there. And so I would just use this tech to work with them in a therapeutic way, kind of.
That was my goal, the way that would most benefit them. And so one day they asked me to do a, hey. Can you do a newscast for the school? Like, this week at the school, you know, there was this field trip. The soccer team did this meh blah blah. Sure.
And we want this kid to be on camera and, like, to do he’s really good at that. And he was getting really nervous on the day. And so I was like, let’s just sit down. You’ve seen, like, Joe Rogan and stuff. Let’s do it like ai just treat it like a 5 minute warm up podcast. Here, I’ll sit down and be on camera. You ask me whatever you want.
Well, you know, how have your thoughts on Harry Potter changed given JK Rowling’s bigoted opinions? And so that’s where the video came from. Mhmm. So I don’t I just wanna be clear. I don’t teach. I wasn’t like, we’re gonna sit down and learn in the moment.
We do have conversations like that because when you are doing something like this with students, like, well, what are you gonna talk about? Right. Kill 2 birds with 1 saloni. Be as effective as you can. And so a lot of students have questions.
Like, I’ve had students ask me, what’s the difference between fascism socialism? What’s the difference between a democrat and a republican? They don’t know. Mhmm. And they’re genuinely curious.
And sometimes you can get another I had one teacher that the music teacher I worked closely with, and he was ai my best friend there. And he would be in the room often, and we would have little debates. And he was from Romania. Yeah. No. I think Romania. I’m I’m plunking.
But and so he had a very different political perspective. And when you’re in those debates, the kids were, like, locked in, and you can tell. Normally, they’re just making noise and then they’re just quiet in their seats. They turn around and they’re, like, watching it. There was an effect.
Well, I think most kids are aware that you’re being forced to think a certain way or at least to talk about things a certain way. And they’re most people are they don’t like being told what to do. People don’t enjoy that. And when they feel like there’s, like, a a lot of social pressure to adhere to a very specific ideology, I think people don’t like it.
And so when you see debates where people have differing opinions and they have, you know, these sort of logical objective ways of describing why they think about things a certain way, it gets people ai, okay. Was there another way to think? Like, is there like, how’s this guy doing this? Like, what is what what does this mean?
Like, why do we have to say well, why what is wrong with what JK Rowling said? And and it’s exciting to people. And the videos were exciting, and there was a tremendous amount of, response to them. Sai know you’re aware of that. I mean, there’s so many comments and so many people were, interested in them. They got very popular.
And then, when I heard you were fired, I was like, of course. Hope it was too good. Because it was it gave me hope. I was like, more people should be doing this at schools and, you know, it would help a lot because a lot of this this really sort of, polarized positions that people are taking one side or the other that they just wanna win and they dig their heels in and they don’t exactly even know why they have this particular opinion that they’re defending.
They just know that they’re supposed to And so they just kinda bite down and dig in and, you know, and you and you get these shouty sort of polarizing arguments.
I’ve been playing with the idea of, like, how we see the world through stories. I think that has a lot to do with it. Because people ai of labeled me as the critical thinking guy all of a bryden. So I really started to think about it. What is critical thinking? And the best I can articulate, it’s it’s thinking for yourself to contend with the stories that make up the world. Because a lot of the stories are nonsense.
Some are true, and there’s usually a middle ground. And Mhmm. And my background’s in filmmaking. I kinda fell into teaching, and I spent time in LA and made some movies. And I teach at Emerson a filmmaking course still ai I went to grad school and got my ai in film is probably the wrong term now because it’s all digital.
It’s ai visual media arya, but I think you can study movies today ai scholars are now studying, ai know, the great thinkers. Ai will be the artifacts Mhmm. That people look back on for our ai, you know, be in museums and things like that.
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No. I we talk about it all the time that it’s a a great sort of postmark for culture. Like, if you go back and watch movies from the fifties and then the sixties and the seventies, the eighties, the nineties, the 2000, and and then the today, you can see how different the narratives are, how different the way the films are made, the way people communicate, the subjects that are covered, the quality of the acting and film making, the quality of the cinematography, and it’s it really just shows, like, if you really think about it, you know, human civilization and human history, like, modern society has is so recent.
You know, the industrial revolution and ai cities and cars and transportation and all, it’s so recent. It’s a couple 100 years maximum. You know, you go from trains and horses to cars and cities, and then you have Morse code to all of a sudden now you have digital communication that’s instantaneous worldwide.
I mean, it’s it’s a rapid change in humanity, and a lot of it is it’s the the arya, as you said, is really our media. Like, what have we created? You know, we were we were talking the other day about, the limitations of mainstream television and how mainstream television you know, they’re trying to kind of, like, adapt more towards what is going on on the Internet, but they’re so hampered by their format.
Their form the censorship, the format, and the fact they’re sponsored by a bunch of different enormous corporations that they can’t really critically talk about. So there there’s a bunch of things they could never actually say. So there’s news that they can’t cover. There’s, like, significant health problems that have probably been a direct result of medication that they literally can’t cover
Because they’re being sponsored by these companies. Sai, like, they’re so hampered. And if you go back and watch the early broadcast from 1945, people had ai this way of communicating. It’s changed. Right. It’s not the way like, if you were having dinner with someone and they were saying, tell me, Warren, where did you grow up?
You’d be like, oh, this is not a real person. This is bizarre.
The transformation in acting Yeah. Is remarkable. Remarkable. Right?
Yeah. Or you go Marlon Brando is ai Saloni Brando is probably ai the first example of someone, yeah, who’s, like sounds like a real person. Ai, this is what I really expect a person to behaving like under on the waterfront, like, under duress. Like, this is this is a real human being.
Yeah. It became internalized. Yeah. And now we’re in this phase now where I think the best actors are doing both the external. Like, Heath Ledger is my favorite actor of all time and had a huge impact on me. That’s why I went into filmmaking. Mhmm. And he think about his externality in the Joker and all his roles.
He had this I think the key to acting is about what is not said, what’s unspoken, and it ties into everything about critical thinking. It’s the best metaphor I ever got from a a directing professor. He drew on the board the ocean with a squiggly ai, and they drew little boats on the surface and said, these are words.
This is everything you need to know about directing actors. Everything beneath the surface is subtext, what’s really important. Mhmm. So if you’re an actor and I hand you a screenplay, well, anybody would given enough time can memorize those words. What’s meant what really sets an actor apart is everything else. What’s not said, what they do with the words, the intention behind the word.
The words are just floating on the surface. They’re just the tools that we’re trying to use to communicate the elusive intangible, the subtext, everything that’s in the best we can do are bumbling cells or formulate with these tools. So to treat words as the end all been be the end all be all is so silly. Mhmm. You know?
Like, people say the the wrong thing now, and you get puts politically incorrect. Sana John’s CEO.
Right. With no con context has gone up, you know, but it’s a larger issue. But it’s that it’s just fascinating how that correlates beyond just film to because, like, it’s true that most community most communication is nonverbal. Sai the more time you spend studying at working with actors, studying movies, you start getting really tuned into body language. Mhmm. It has great utility. So it’s pretty interesting.
Yeah. No. It’s very interesting. And sai when when you’re doing these videos, when you initially did it, did you have any idea of the impact that it was gonna have? The, I mean, did you did you think, like, wow, this is actually, like, really unique and interesting, and I think people are gonna really enjoy this?
Or did were you, like, really shocked?
Yeah. I was shocked. Yeah. Yeah. Ai had been playing with YouTube as a medium since discovering Jordan Peterson in 2017. Because I meh maybe it was even earlier than that. Because I arrived at graduate school in 2016, Boston, Emerson, and all hell breaks loose, drunk gets elected.
And there seemed to be a huge pushback, and I had never thought about these things before. And then being a grad student and seeing what I witnessed at school, like, protests claiming Emerson was racist, which is, like, this is one of the most far left schools I’ve ever seen.
Can you provide any evidence Right. Of that? It was just nuts.
And did it come out of nowhere? Was it, like, right after the election? Like, did you what what year did you first attend? 2016. 2016? So was this, what time so this is, like, September of 2016? August
of 2016? Beginning of the academic year?
So this is, like, when the elections are kind of heating up and people didn’t think that Trump was gonna win yet.
I ram because I vividly remember the day of the election because I was renting a house with 3 roommates. And I was watching the election. I remember just being ai, guys, I think Trump might win this. Yeah. We’re not it’s not even worth watching. You know? And they were walking around. Time goes by.
I’m like, ai. Like, and then they started to what? So no one saw that coming. And I my big takeaway was how could so many experts get something so wrong? And that caused me to question my presuppositions, basically, my view of the world, and then that opens your mind to someone like Jordan Peterson and all these other great thinkers, intellectual dark meh, blah blah blah blah.
You know? But that sana suddenly, it’s so difficult to articulate what that does to someone like me, an average viewer, like a genuine lover of this space. Mhmm. So it’s surreal to be here. And because, like, it suddenly causes you to if you feel like everyone’s moving in slow motion all of a sudden, you feel like you’re waking up, and it doesn’t it’s I I don’t wanna talk about, like, the matrix because it’s so it’s such a strange it’s gotten all this momentum in a different but it’s what it felt like.
It felt like you were suddenly like, how what? This is so much more interesting and complicated than I thought, and there’s no going back.
Yeah. I think we’d like to adhere to certain narratives about the world, and we will wanna think the big thing is we wanna think that there’s a central there’s some sort of competent control, some sort of competent leadership that exists and that the structure of government and the structure of media is established rock solid and logical, and that these are the smartest people in the world.
That’s how they’ve risen to this position, and now they they’re there to provide this you know, like, if you have, a knee injury, you wanna go to an orthopedic surgeon because he is an expert in knee injuries, and he’s gonna tell you what’s wrong with your knee and what can be done.
And, you know, that’s a real expert. And we thought we think of politicians and we think of the media as being real experts. Well, it turns out no. It turns out naughty a little bit. They’re terrible at
They’re not they’re not just not good at it. They’re really bad at it. They’re really bad at it, and they lie a lot.
Yeah. They’re not much smarter than you or I. No. And then you realize that about your professors. You’re like Right. This guy really doesn’t know much more than, like, my my dad or what’s the what makes you a professor?
Qualifies you? And often, there’s just this and that’s what going back to that core thesis if we see the world through stories. Mhmm. Professor means something. Yes. Politician means something. These are experts, but
They’re not much different than us.
When you were in school so you at the the beginning, everybody’s thinking there’s no way Trump can win, you know, these expert I think on the day of the election, I think they had some crazy odds of Hillary winning. It was ai in the 90%. And, we watched it from The Comedy Store. We did a podcast from The Comedy Store called the End of the World Podcast.
And, we we did this, like, live stream while the election was going on, and we just kept bringing in different comedians. We had a whole ai like a conference table and it was ai. We did it in front of a live audience and then we updated the crowd whenever and then when marijuana became legal, Bert Kreischer takes his shirt off,
stage. It was really funny. It was fun. It was a fun ai, but what was most fascinating was the podcast was over and then we all went to the bar. The Comedy Store has this, like, private bar in the back, and on the television, Jake Tapper was, like, just, like, seriously bummed out talking about Trump winning all these different states.
And then we watched a little bit of The Young Turks and Cenk Uygur was fucking he’s freaking out. In the beginning, they were so cocky and so confident, and by the end, they were just fucking freaking out. They couldn’t understand how everybody got it wrong. Mhmm. And it I think for a lot of people, that was the end of trust in mainstream media. That was the first nail in the coffin. Mhmm.
to be ai, you guys didn’t you were so wrong.
Yeah. How could you get something sai wrong?
Yeah. And it was just fascinating to watch what’s supposed to be the news. Right?
So it’s supposed the news is supposed to be, at its best, an objective analysis of what’s going on, giving you the facts, but they were so clearly upset. And, you know, there’s a lot of editorializing on how bad this is and what this means to the world and what does it say about us that this guy who said grab him by the pussy
now the commander in chief of the greatest army the world has ever known. It’s just for us as comedians, we’re ai, this
is gonna be fun. Yeah. It was it was just it was just
ai they opened up the door to the candy store and sai, go crazy. Have fun. This is all free.
But it was it was a real wake up call for a lot of people that this system is not is not really as well managed as we’d like to believe it is. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I’m just trying to go back to those days and think about it, but it was vatsal Emerson, it was I remember, I was taking a class with the dean of the student body, and it was a pedagogy class, the philosophy of teaching, and and it was right in the midst of these protests.
And it was the day of the protest, and so and there was, like, 10 people in the class. It’s a 4 hour class. So they’re, like, we’re gonna devote to 4 hours to talk about the problematic racism occurring at Emerson. So we’re all sitting around and but the white students were not allowed to speak. We had to concede our space for 4 hours.
And actually, I’m, like, what the fuck is going on? Why was that?
What was what was the reason given for that?
Because it was the moral right thing to do according because we, they turned that they said to me I remember he he said, I said, what can I I did say what I was like, what can I do about this? I would genuinely I would I genuinely believed everything. I was kind of I I was just starting to question things.
Ai what can I I feel terrible speaking to the student who had just speak, like, you genuinely feel every day you wake up and come to class, you feel oppressed? That sucks. What can I do? They didn’t have a response because and they just said, you can just listen. Just take your time to concede your space and listen.
Mhmm. Sai that that was the reason given.
Concede your space. And then why did they feel so threatened? Did they articulate that?
They there was a Facebook group that was designed to provide that evidence called Emerson, hashtag hashtag Emerson sai racist or something. And it was like a student, like a teacher sai, no. You can’t you gotta turn in the work or you’re gonna fail the class. And my first, teaching gig occurred shortly after that in the I remember this vividly, the teacher, I was gonna be teaching the screenwriting course with undergraduates for the first ai.
And she’s before the protest, she said, don’t let them walk all over you. They will try and take advantage. Like, if they don’t do their work, just be fair, honest, give them the grade they deserve. After the protest. Ai. Warren, ram remember when I was saying that?
Because she got called out on the Facebook page for some stupid I don’t remember what it was. Quote. Yeah. Warren, you remember ai I was saying about that? Don’t I was wrong.
Don’t forget to be compassionate because that student is black and it and she reminded me of how difficult it is to be black at Emerson, and so I couldn’t fail her. I couldn’t give her the grade that, you know, so
that Shah objectively, she deserved.
remember that vividly. Why was it why was it articulated that it was so difficult for her, uniquely difficult as a black student?
I’m trying to remember. I don’t know. Honestly Abba Cadabra. Yeah. It’s just ai micro that’s the thing about
About these claims, though, is there is no concrete evidence. It’s things like microaggression. Someone made a reference about fried chicken that was I’ve heard that one. That happened to my mom who’s a professor, runs a study abroad program. She said, we’re really excited.
This place is, they have really we’re they were in Italy doing a study abroad program. She’s, like, I know you guys have been missing American food, and this place has fried chicken. So and it’s really good here. And, like, 2 of the students she was talking to at that table were black and they claimed that that was racist. Shah was ai, what?
The fried chicken sana is so crazy. Fried chicken and meh. Those are the 2 things that are associated with racism for as far as foods, which are universally loved. Like, fried chicken is delicious. Watermelon is delicious. Like, how could that possibly be a negative that certain people like delicious food?
Like, Sai to this day, it’s one of those things. It’s it’s so bizarre. You could bring up all kinds of different delicious foods. But if you bring up fried chicken, which everybody vatsal, everybody who eats meat and and loves delicious food loves a good fried chicken. Have you tried Gus’s in town?
Is that the is that the where you get the slabs of meat?
No. No. That’s Terry Black’s. But Gus’s fried chicken is in Austin. Fantastic. Sai the best fried chicken you’re ever gonna have in your life. But if you brought that up to a black friend, they might, like, leave you silent. What the fuck are you trying to say? Like, I’m not I’m trying to food’s good good food. Like, let’s go eat good food.
And keep that analogy in your mind about, like, the boats floating on the surface. Mhmm. And they’re just the tool. What’s the intent? Right. Tyler there was no if there’s no intention there, you can’t claim that’s racist Right. Unless you want it to be. Sai and this goes back to, like, seeing the world through stories. If you believe a story is true, I’m oppressed. The world is active. There’s systemic racism.
There’s active racism at my college. I’m a victim. You’re gonna start seeing what you believe to be true. You’re gonna start finding hints of
And it’s it’s true as well for, like, why it’s important to have a moral code or I personally believe in a higher power or but if you believe in objective truth, you’re gonna see those lessons when you when they occur in ai, and it’s gonna be a help be a guiding star for you. Yeah. But it can be wielded in both ways. It’s it’s ai the response that I got about JK Rowling. It was the ContraPoints YouTuber.
Everyone was ai, you gotta gotta, counter ContraPoints. She’s the one who’s taking down JK Rowling. The argument essentially is, I’m I’m so done argue I’m not even gonna debate this. If anyone who believes in transphobia can see that JK Rowling is obviously transphobic. That’s it. It’s the same thing. If you believe in that definition of transphobia, well, you can find it almost infinite places.
Well, the problem with that kind of arguing is that it’s it’s a total cop out. Like, if there is any sort of debate, and there clearly is when it comes to trans issues, if there’s any sort of debate, you have to be able to discuss things. And as soon as you say, if you want to debate, we’re done. If you wanna have a discussion, we can’t. You you don’t see it? Well, we’re done.
Well, you what you’re essentially conceding is you don’t have Mhmm. A logical ability to shut this down. Because if you did, you would just do it. You you would have a rational conversation with that person and you would say clearly, look, this is why this is racist. This is why this is transphobic.
This is why this is sexist. Like, whatever the whatever the argument is, and you would lay it out. And as soon as you say, if you don’t believe that, then we’re done talking.
Mhmm. I can’t even I can’t even do that. That’s what I arya. Like, my mom disagrees with me heavily on politics, which is okay. It in the wake that we were talking about 2016, I found Jordan Peterson. I was like, yeah, this guy look at this. This is really interesting. And if I had any kind of conversation with her about it, even to this day, it’s often I think she’s getting better now that I’ve been making content.
Is she? But it was often a formation of that pattern. I I just can’t do this with you, Warren. Right. Blah blah blah.
And it’s just neutralizing the debate because they can’t have the debate.
Well, they can’t have the debate because they’re not equipped for it. It’s all it is. They don’t have they don’t have any weapons. Ai? If you’re gonna go to battle, you have to have some sort of resources. There’s nothing there. And when there’s nothing there and you just say, I can’t.
Instead of saying, like, is there a logical argument that there are men who are manipulating this in order to control women’s spaces?
And, like, it used to be that we protected women against men and protected particularly, we protected women against predatory men.
Right? Like, perverts or sex offenders, for example. But somewhere along the line with this woke ideology, we completely eliminated the the even possibility that a man in a in a dress that wants to go into the woman’s room could be a pervert
Which to me was the most insane thing. It’s ai you’ve just given a hall pass to the grossest members of society that we’ve always feared.
We’ve always feared people that would try to take advantage of women and and and do so in a weird way where you claim to be 1 Mhmm. But you have a penis. Mhmm. You’re walking around with an erection in a locker room, and anybody who calls it out is transphobic. Right. It got real weird.
And people would counter and say, Joe, but but, like, you’re you’re you’re taking extreme. You’re claiming that trans people walking out with erections. It allows for that capacity. It allows for that to occur. Mhmm. I went after all this craziness occurred with the video, viral video or whatever.
I went back to North Carolina for the first time, and my best friends, you know, who I’ve grown up with, and we just that’s fine. They were deeply concerned about what I was doing. Ai? You’re talking to too many people from the ai. And it’s like, I sat down with Destiny for 6 hours, but it’s never enough.
It’s but they I laid out what you were saying, and I was amazed that they couldn’t follow that logic that what about the mother in the dressing room with a 6 year old? Does she have a right to decide if that 6 year old is exposed to male genitalia? Just to keep it as as simple as that. Mhmm.
Take out erections and all that.
Is it fair to her? And they just can’t. Right. It seems so clear. It’s
but they’re just scared. They’re scared of thinking logically because if you do, you will be cast out of this group. You’ll be ostracized. Like, there’s there’s very specific rules and they’re very much like a cult. Like, you have this very cult like thinking. And if you deviate from that at all, you you run into the possibility of social ostracization.
And then that’s what happens to a lot of people and they’re scared of that. Mhmm. So to defend against that possibly happening to them, they attack things, like, without any logic at all. They just, like, say, you you don’t think, you don’t know, Well, I’m done talking to you. Like, this is good.
And that it’s like a get out of jail free pass, and you could just get away from the conversation, and you don’t have to confront the the logical fallacies. You don’t have to confront all the problems with what you’re saying.
And the only solution I’ve been able to find is to just push through. Yeah. And I I say to them, like, Chris, like, one day, I genuinely believe you’ll look back and understand, like, one day. Mhmm. And I believe that.
No. I believe that too. If it’s done logically and you can have reasonable discussions. But even in the opposition of that, right, you have people on the right who adhere to a right wing cult like thinking. Right? And, you know, they’ll push back against it in in a way that’s also not logical.
And so they dig their heels in on their ai, you know, Left digs their heels and and, you know, you you have things like people say people on the Left don’t get it. People on the Left is ai, no, this
this is a giant spectrum of people on the Left and a giant spectrum of people on the Right. I don’t like any of those labels. Right. I don’t
And I really don’t like it because of me. Like, I don’t fit in
there. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I’ve been
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If people wanna box you in on that, and this goes back to seeing stories, which story do you fit into? Like, my mom has a story of what a Democrat is. She can never think that in a story of what a Republican is, and she’ll never deviate from that.
I would rather be homeless.
They’re blue no matter who. They’re just locked in.
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You know the it’s I’m just I don’t Ai dread the I don’t dread the question of, are you a Republican or a Democrat? It’s like, who cares? It doesn’t I’m not a part of any I’m just gonna be I’m gonna call it as I see it. Follow the logic.
Yeah. It doesn’t make sense to be on a team. Right. It doesn’t make sense at all. Even for someone like me, like, you know, who ai. I went to the inauguration, you know. I was Sai
Bizarre. But I don’t consider myself a Republican. I don’t consider myself a Democrat either. I consider myself an American. I just I’m a human being.
And there’s a lot of things that the Democrats believe that I believe too.
There’s a lot of things they say that I say that makes a lot of sense to me. Mhmm. And there’s a lot of things that the Republicans sai. That makes a lot of sense to me too. And the idea that I have to ignore things that make sense to me because it’s coming from the wrong team is just stupid. Mhmm.
idea those, like, these are bad faith arguments. We have to have a conversation with someone and pretend that what they’re saying is not logical because they’re supposed to be your opponent. Mhmm. That to me is just dumb. It doesn’t make any that doesn’t benefit me at all. It doesn’t benefit anybody listening at all. It’s just stupid.
It’s a stupid way to think. It’s it’s so limiting and it’s so bad for you cognitively. Because I think when you put up those blinders like, you ever talk to a person that’s a liar, especially, like, when you’re younger, you you you meet people that are liars Mhmm. And they lie all the time about all kinds of things.
the things about liars is they can’t really recognize how other people see their lies because they’re living a lie. Like, they’re lying so often, they don’t realize the language of truth and honesty. And so when they’re talking to people, they don’t even realize that people know they’re full of shit. Mhmm.
Because they’re they’ve lost their ability to sort of discern what natural conversations are about. Mhmm. Where where where it’s really, it’s not about you bullshitting me to try to get me to believe something that’s not true. It’s about you just expressing yourself. So they stop doing that. They stop just genuinely expressing themselves, and then they just live with these blinders on.
And so everything exists, and the only way they can find someone who will buy into their bullshit is if someone is, like, so bad at thinking and reasoning that they don’t have the tools to discern when someone’s full of shit. And this happens with ai, this happens with with religion, and it clearly happens with politics. Mhmm.
It’s like you get locked into these blinders and you’re incapable of looking at any sort of positive aspects of someone who is on a team that you believe is the opposition. Mhmm.
Yeah. I think there is a power in truth that can be felt, like you’re saying, and that’s the underneath the boats, beneath the surface that which we can’t articulate. We can’t explain how we know these how we can sense that on someone when they’re bullshitting. Yeah. But you can feel it.
So as a teacher, you really learn that reality if you’re gonna be effective. First thing I would say on the 1st day to my students is ai law, by ethical bounds, there are gonna be some things I can’t tell you. Confidentiality, whatever. But I will never I promise I will never tell you something I know to be untrue. Mhmm.
They try and embody that through our behavior and that Ai saw that resonate because there but there’s a lot of teachers that, you know, but it’s a strange ai. That school, a lot of weird stuff. Of course. Well, it’s a crazy Shah wasn’t it. No.
I’m talking about the ones where, like, the kids get kicked out of high school.
Oh, okay. They’re Oh, yeah.
So there’s, like, gangs, drugs, you know.
Yeah. It’s I think we’re entering a unique moment in history where a lot of those narratives are just dissolving, and a lot of that very tribal thinking is, being critically ai, and it’s found to be lacking. Mhmm. And people are abandoning it left and right.
And you’re you’re seeing it you’re seeing sort of the consequences of a lot of this, ideology affecting people’s day to day lives and that’s causing people to abandon it. You know, I was watching these these left wing podcasts, where they were discussing being gaslit about the problems with ai, and, crime rising in New York City.
And that, you know, you’re being told that it’s not but if you live day to day life, you’re like, ai, this is real. Mhmm. Like, you guys have meh in a bunch of Venezuelan gang members and you have a sanctuary city, and now it’s kind of chaotic. And you’re seeing, like, the woman who got lit on fire ai the subway and, like, that kind of shit. You’re seeing this with with ever increasing frequency.
You’re also seeing the way they lie about crime statistics
Because they’ll tell you that crime is down, but what they don’t tell you is crime is severely underreported and that people are being released for even violent crimes very quickly, which has direct consequences because then there’s no incentive whatsoever to not commit crime if you’re gonna be right back out on the street. Mhmm.
Arya you familiar with Roland Fryer Yes. Harvard? Okay. Yes. Have you have you had him I
He’s he’s it’s really interesting. He’s changed the way I’ve used statistics. And but in, like, a 3 minute synopsis of it that goes to crime statistics, he I can’t think mathematically. And I think this applies to logic, I think, visually. So if I have a metaphor, I can suddenly understand a mathematical concept. Mhmm. I just don’t have that mind. So he broke it down, like, ai.
After all that research that caused him to go into ai, he’s ai, if you look at it through an economics perspective, let’s say ai job is to Explain
let’s get to the explain why he wanted like, he went into hiding.
She conducted a study, a deep dive into police statistics to see racial bias in policing. Right. The findings did not match the story that people wanted to be true at Harvard, which caused him to literally go under police protection, like ai 1 year old he had at the time, for days.
Now Ai don’t know the the deep dive beyond that, but that’s the
And we should say he’s a black gentleman.
Yes. So he says the colleagues told him, don’t publish this warning, you’ll ruin your career Right. For releasing findings that contradict popular left wing narratives on policing.
And he sai, I’m gonna do it anyways. Yeah. And then he came to the University of Austin and taught a class. It’s on YouTube. And watching that class, to summarize it in a minute, look at it through economics. If my job is to approve or disprove loans, I’ve been able to get that down the best I can.
I sana keep the default rate as low as possible, and I’ve achieved, like, a point ai default rate. But if anyone who comes in my office, point 5 after I’ve done my job defaults. Ai. That’s pretty good. Someone could come along later and analyze all that and say, wait a minute. You’re you’re turning down 60% black people, though, versus white people.
His point is you can’t look at it through through that lens. You have to look at it through what is the goal that’s trying what what is the result we’re trying to achieve? So in policing, it’s to he can he his study showed that 40% of stops approximately, I think, if we use that as the example, 40% of stops recover contraband, which is pretty crazy, pretty good across demographics, which means it’s being done correctly.
And people this changes how you view so much. It’s it’s kind of difficult to to understand at first glance. I’m trying to tell me if this makes sense. Okay. So it’s it’s 40% across whatever color the driver is. Mhmm. That means we’ve done correct. We’re we’ve done it right.
If it was if 60% white drivers were recovering contract, we should be pulling over his arguments. We should be pulling over more white drivers. But that’s assuming they’re pulling people over upon race. Let’s go back to the the default rate. You’re just coming in after the fact and analyzing the results and looking at it through a racial lens.
I’m gonna I’m gonna judge each case based on a merit regardless of because I are you gonna default or not? And whatever, I’m gonna run my analysis whatever that is. So anyone can come in after the fact and sai, but there’s always gonna be a discrepancy. Okay. But you turned down more black people than white. So they’re okay.
So according to your logic, for every white driver up every black driver I pull over, every Latino, I have to pull over a white driver now, which affects policing itself as opposed to what’s our goal. You all the police are meeting that morning. Our job is to go out and recover contraband in this neighborhood. But for every black driver, gotta pull over a ai.
It’s like that’s not how it works. Right. Right? So that kind of that boggled my mind when I first heard it. I was ai looking at it through the lens of what are we trying to achieve and seeing if if that achievement is even, then there’s nothing ai there’s nothing off about it.
If it’s if the the contraband being recovered is 40%, regardless of the rate of which you’re pulling those cars over, the the the success rate is the same.
Which is means you’re doing it you’re doing it right. Is it’s I’m trying to boil that down as simple as I can.
And so that that was problematic for a lot of people. They didn’t wanna hear that.
Because they’re pulling over, let’s just sai, 60% of the drivers are black, which is biased. The the question is, is it unwarranted bias? Because there’s always gonna be bias.
Right. Is it or unwarranted ai, meaning are more black people causing them to get pulled over? Like
Like, the default rate. 70% of the people Ai turned down, let’s say, 70% of of people that come in that office that were black got turned down. My rebuttal to that is that has nothing to do with it. My job is for the bank to get a point ai default rate, and that’s the end result.
Right. Can you prove that I’m doing anything wrong? Ai, there’s not what adjustment logically should I make?
Right. Should you give loans to people that are more likely to default just because of their ethnicity?
That would be the only logical course of action in response to that.
Right. Which is the argument for equity, right, over equality.
Meh. Essentially, that would be the form of equity. Equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve seen that argument that, like, not everybody starts at the same speak, so you have to raise up people who’ve started a different spot
Which is to me a band aid on the real problem. The real problem is that we have crime infested areas that we’ve done nothing to fix. That’s the real problem. The real problem is we have parts of our society that have been, you know, because of Jim Crow laws and meh line laws.
There’s a a a long history of them being riddled with crime and gangs Mhmm. And it could be fixed. There’s been no effort. There’s been no real national effort to, take impoverished gang ridden, crime ridden neighborhoods and rehabilitate them. The more you do that if you did that, you would have less losers.
If you have less losers, you have a better country, and that’s including, like, the Appalachias, ai, areas of West Virginia that are filled with people that are addicted to pills and committing crime because they’re drug addicts that are all poor white people, coal mining people, and those those folks.
It’s everybody. It’s it’s just crime and poverty, and crime and poverty causes people you you imitate your ai. You imitate your atmosphere. If you grow up in a crime ridden, gang ridden neighborhood, the chances of you getting involved in gang activities and crime are much higher than if you don’t grow up in an environment like that.
Yeah. I’m from North Carolina. Ash like near Asheville. Asheville. Yeah. It’s
rough out there, which people don’t don’t believe. Like, the Asheville, like, mountain’s beautiful.
No. It’s, like, very high per capita crime rate.
There’s a meth capital Mhmm. Right now where I live. And so if I agree with you. The thing is if we look at it I agree if we look at it through a socioeconomic lens. So I had a one of my professors from Emerson, he’s ai, I solved racism. This was in one of the videos. Oh, boy. I was like, sure. Come over.
Let’s record. Hit me with it. So the solution is we’re gonna have a tax for so if you’re and if you can trace your ancestry, then you’re gonna you don’t have to pay taxes or below some form of tax. Like, okay. But what about the white person in Appalachia who is in an equally bad socioeconomic position, but they don’t get the the tax or what Mhmm.
The award, your solution. Mhmm. Well, their ancestors weren’t oppressed. So I would be all for it if it was looking through a consistent applied across all demographics equally socioeconomically.
You’re never gonna stop racism. You you’re never gonna stop ignorant thinking. I mean, unless there’s some sort of a groundbreaking human neural interface that completely changes our cognitive function and and dissolves all boundaries. That you’re not going to stop people from there’s there’s people that don’t like people from other cities because they played sports against them. You know.
They I hate people from Philly. There’s there’s always going to be people that discriminate against other people because there’s always gonna be ignorant people. So it’s gonna be and it’s easier to do that. It’s easier to decide this person is my enemy. These these are these people are on my side.
It’s easy to be tribal. It’s like it’s much simpler. Yeah. It that you don’t have to think as much.
Ai Kasparian got sexually assaulted by a homeless person. So when she’s walking down the street, she’s probably going to recoil a bit maybe. And if she sees someone hope you know, it’s there’s a human psychological element. She’s gonna try probably not to do the business human nature.
If you have a bad experience, then it’s gonna it goes back to how we see the world. But you’re right. Yeah. We’ll never be able to solve racism.
Well, that’s the type of bias that, like, is kind of logical. Like, if you see a guy and he’s covered in his own shit and he’s, you know, lighting notebooks on fire, that guy might be out of his fucking mind. You should probably go around him. And if you run into a bunch of them and they’re camping out right in front of your house, you you should Yeah.
You should act accordingly. You shouldn’t treat them the same the way you treat your neighbor who’s just walking his dog waving to you. It’s sai different kind of human being you’re encountering. You know, there are certain people that you should be wary about. And if you arya severely mentally ill and addicted to drugs and you live in a tent in front of someone’s house, you’re cooking meth, you know, ai, you’re in the backyard barbecuing, you smell someone cooking meth in your front yard, like, that’s a problem.
That’s a problem. And if you pretend it’s not a problem because, you know, oh, you have to be sensitive to people’s socioeconomic needs, and it’s a housing crisis, and it’s a this and it’s a that. No. No. There’s people that are really fucked up because being a person is hard. It’s difficult. It’s complicated.
And if you grow up, you know, with abusive parents who are drug addicts themselves and in and out of jail and you’ve been, like, psychologically scarred since you were a baby because they beat you and you’ve encountered a lot of meh violence, then you’re gonna be more fucked up than the average person.
This is just the development cycle of you as an entity, as a human being that is a product of your accumulated experiences, your genetics, your biology, your your environment. There’s just a lot of factors. And if to pretend that those factors don’t exist and that if you if you do recognize them vatsal somehow or another you’re racist or you’re sexist or you’re ableist or you’re this or you’re that or, like, you’re you’re you’re the problem.
No. The problem is we’ve got a bunch of people that are really fucked up, you know, and we have to figure out a way to have less people that are fucked up. Here’s sana have a certain percentage, but is there something that can be done that would mitigate the number of people that are growing up really fucked up and becoming problems?
So start at the root. Get to the root. What’s the root? Crime infested, gang infested neighborhoods, abusive family life, abusive neighborhoods. Like, that’s the root.
It’s the root of all of our problems. Yeah.
I think that’s why Jordan Peterson tapped into this so much because it’s the only solution is per you know, take a personal responsibility.
But even personal responsibility for a person that has no there’s no examples of someone taking personal responsibility. Everyone around you is doing something fucked up or most people around you are doing something fucked up, and there’s nowhere you can turn
Where you can relate to someone who can give you tools and objective reasoning and an understanding of how you got to the situation and what are the steps you can take to get out of that.
I encountered that every day
that school because that’s where I was those are the kids that I was working with. Mhmm. They didn’t have majority of them did not have a parent. We would have open house, and no one would come. Mhmm. They had no example, no money. Right. And it’s heartbreaking because but what so what do I do is all I can do is try and lead by example and maybe communicate because that’s their best hope is trying and Right.
Taking responsibility and because no one else is gonna do it at the end of the day. There there is no alternative Right. Except for having someone hopefully come along and provide that role model.
Right. Or finding something that you can do that elevates you, finding something you can do that gives you a very clear example that hard work and dedication can lead to success, and then you can kind of get addicted to this positive feeling that you’re getting from seeing yourself progress and get locked into that, and they can elevate you out of certain situations.
You see that happen with sports. You see that happen with art. You know, sports and art are probably the 2 best ways that people can escape impoverished childhoods and bad neighborhoods.
The student who was we’re not supposed to have favorites, but was my favorite. He he came from that kind of background, but he could draw like I’ve never seen. There you go. Art. And so we we got him a Krita drawing tablet, a digital drawing ai, and he would just sit and draw all day.
But here’s the the issue is, well, how do you but he wouldn’t go to any other classes. And we kind of he like for some reason, he liked being in my classroom. So they would literally sit him in my room, and he would stay there all day. And then he would try and bring work from his other classes and get him to do the work from the other classes.
And but so through that pattern, he and Ai, you know, we would talk about he got me into Elden Ring telling me, like, these video like, and he was he got me into the whole art style behind Elden Ring and Dark Souls. But what how do you foster then the school kind of comes along and they’re like, yeah, but he’s not doing, academic drawings that are not relevant to the school.
And I I get that. But how do you then take that talent for drawing and show him that this can be monetized, man? Like, you could be out, like, let’s meh you maybe freelancing. I worked as a freelance videographer. It’s a it’s a hustle, but it’s a way.
You’re not gonna make but it’s better than nothing. Like, trying to think outside the box. And he ended up getting kicked out for a stupid He didn’t wanna go on a field trip one day, and he was like, he made a offhand passing comment. Ai like, I don’t sana go on the field trip. Don’t make me go on the field trip or trip.
I’m I’ll I’ll just bring a gun, so I don’t have to go to field trip. And it’s ai, oh, my God. Like, and then and this goes back to the idea of telling the truth. What got me is they they lied to him and told him because the teacher that he said it to, you’re compelled to, like, report it and everything, and we run it up the chain.
I don’t think he should have been kicked out. I know this kid, though. He’s done. That’s why they’re there because they stay they say stupid stuff. Right.
And we’re the last line of defense. He was graduating in 2 months.
I don’t know where he is now.
Well, it brings you back to, like, what is school supposed to be for? It’s supposed to be preparing you for independence out in the world, and it’s supposed to be preparing you to eventually have a career. Well, there’s real careers in art. It’s a viable pathway. Yeah. And the idea that this guy is extremely talented, and that’s not accentuated.
He would he would draw these Japanese, like, ai, sword fighting, just beauty. And then Ai had the photo printer. We would and but they were, like, well, how’s he gonna make a living drawing Japanese photos? No. I was like, get him to draw school product, ai, logos for multimedia projects for the culinary program. It does, like, this kid won’t respond to that, and he didn’t.
And then he gets kicked out.
That was my problem as an artist. When when I was young, I wanted to be a comic book illustrator. That’s what I wanted to do. And all I that’s the only art that I was interested in. I read a lot of comic books and I was, like, really into, like, Frank Frazetta and I was really into, like, Jack Kirby and all these different artists that would draw for comic books and fantasy novels and that kind of stuff.
That’s what I was interested in. That was the only thing I was interested in, and my art teacher was an asshole. He was just he was such an asshole. Shout out to my friend John Devore because I’m still, I communicate online with a buddy of mine in high school who was also in that art class who was the most talented guy in the class.
It was me, John, and, our friend Kevin, and we were ai the 3 most talented people. I was like 3rd. It’s like John was number 1, Kevin was number 2, and then there’s me. But we were all ai much more talented than everyone else and all we wanted to do was ai comic book arya. And John was so good, and he told me that that teacher gave him an f in his final year. And, ai I because he’s just an asshole.
He just his he when he would never look at your art and say it was good, he would look at your art and sai, you’re not gonna be able to do that for a living. You’re gonna have to draw ai commercials. You’re gonna have to do this. You’re gonna have to do things you don’t wanna do. I hate that shit.
It would it was just he was a bitter guy with, like, a pot belly who looked depressed, and he was A lot of teachers are. Yeah. And they he didn’t want you to have hope because he didn’t have any hope. And he didn’t like teaching. He wanted to be an artist sana, you know, and he when he would draw, you know, ai, he would draw in the class where he would do projects, and his stuff was unexceptional.
Just wasn’t that good. Mhmm. You know? Mhmm. And it just they wanted you to fail.
I had a bryden. I may have had multiple students. The number ai, like, profession kids wanna do now is be an influencer, YouTuber, blah blah blah. So I get the apprehension when a kid’s like, I really wanna do YouTube, make a YouTube channel. Like, I wanna deal with Joe Rogan’s doing whatever.
It’s but the school was kind of you can’t make money on YouTube. It’s like
that’s so dumb. That’s ai, you should be fired for being incompetent. Not just incompetent, but your counter to what’s true. Like, you’re saying things that are objectively untrue. You can’t make money on YouTube. That is you could pull up statistics instantaneously.
It’s hard, but you’re never gonna I got lucky, man, just because I was willing to put myself out there and make a fool of myself.
But that’s not why you got lucky. You got lucky because you put out good content. It’s a merit based thing. It really is. Ai, what the and it doesn’t necessarily have to be good. Right? There’s content that’s just it’s, you know, inflammatory and that people people gravitate to that because they like controversy.
People ai just people squabbling and yelling at each other, like shitty content or someone who’s saying, like, awful things. So people keep believing this person saying these awful things and they get a lot of attention for saying awful things. Yeah. And so, you know and then YouTube has ways to sort of manage that which are, you know, a little Orwellian. Right?
Like, they demonetize people for talking about specific things and
It should scare you. Because a lot of times they’re demonetizing things that are absolutely accurate, and that’s where it gets really weird. Like, this is what we face during the COVID crisis. Like, if you said that you think this disease came from a lab leak, you would get demonetized on YouTube.
Well, that’s proven to be true now. So, like, what happens? Does does YouTube owe you money from all those videos that you put out that they should have monetized? Like, what if you’re saying got it. It sai crazy.
Like, you’re saying accurate things, but these accurate things were being suppressed by our own federal government, which is really weird. We’re in cahoots with these corporations that were making these medications, and so it got real fucking weird, like, real weird. And, the unfortunately, a lot of those laws still stand.
We had an instance where there was a video that we put out during the pandemic, when we were only on Spotify. So when we’re only on Spotify, all of our videos, all our episodes got released only on Spotify. Mhmm. But we bank them all to eventually, you know, just like we’d have them if we ever wanted to put them on up on YouTube.
Well, then 2024, I sai this new deal, and in the new deal, what I wanna do is put it everywhere. I was ai, will be Spotify, but let’s put it on and Spotify ai to do this as well. It was actually they they were very supportive of this. Put it everywhere. Well, put it on YouTube, put it on Apple, put it on but it’s a Spotify exclusive and we work out this deal that way.
And just ai, like well, so when we took these videos that were available on Spotify to in order to put them on YouTube, even though they’re factually correct, they have a strike against them because it’s still adhering to their old laws that were applicable at the time that we made the video.
So what did they did they make adjustments?
What did we wind up doing with that, Jamie?
I don’t know which case I don’t know which case you’re talking about.
You know, what you were saying that, like, there was a video that we’re gonna put up, but it had a strike and you you were gonna have to do, like, training. Remember
that? That was already up there. That was that Right. Well, it wasn’t reuploaded. That was from the past. That was like Oh,
Oh, it was putting clips up on that channel.
Oh, it was a clip that was the problem?
Right. But it was the full episode, wasn’t it? Right. And then when we upload the full episode, then it it applied to that. Right?
I just still had I we we there is no way around not doing the education fucking thing, whatever ai was called.
Really? Here’s the problem. No way around it.
Did you have to do that? No. Ai not doing shit. I’m gonna change it.
Yeah. But here’s the problem. That clip was accurate. The problem was the things that they were saying were accurate.
Something changed in the news, and they’re ai, that’s actually accurate now, but the system had already there was there was no way to change it in the system. Yeah.
It was always accurate. This is the news started reporting it accurately.
And because in initially, the the government narrative was that it was incorrect. So we’re in the situation where you’re getting educated about something that’s absolutely true, and you have to sort of pretend that you did a
bad thing. Ai it’s scary for me because this is literally how I make a living. Yeah. You put food on the tables.
Yeah. Do you do other platforms as well as YouTube?
I’m I’m on x, but I’m not monetized. I’ve never made a a dollar on x. I’m not sure how how to go about doing that. I could look it up. I should probably, but Yeah.
I don’t know how that works either.
I hear rumors about don’t post 1 to 1 to x because, like, YouTube wants exclusivity. And if you’re posting on x, your videos will perform less. I don’t know how much truth there is, but I’m so kind of
There’s probably something to that.
And I’m so dependent on YouTube that Ai, like, I’m not even gonna
Here’s an interesting statistic about YouTube. This shows you like, this is probably one of the best examples of ai that you’re ever gonna see. During the time where I released the podcast with Trump, it was getting what was the most it was getting an hour? Was it 1,200,000?
Sure. I think so. Maybe 12, 13, something like that.
As much as 1,500,000, I think, at one point in ai. An hour. That’s Never trending. I heard about that. Never trending. Yeah. I saw that. Never trend what’s trending then? Tell me what trending is. If something gets 50,000,000 views in a couple of days and that’s not trending, what’s trending? Right.
What do you call trending? What does that mean then? Is are you curating your trending thing? Ai would you do this
I don’t know. That’s a good question.
it didn’t get any views. No.
I mean, what did what did, Kamala Harris on call her daddy get?
Like, less than a1000000, I think.
That’s crazy. Yeah. I meh a1000000 for some random Should’ve gotten a1000000. That’s crazy. Yeah. But that doesn’t make any sense. I don’t
think it might be wrong about that.
Well, it wasn’t extraordinary. It wasn’t interesting enough. That’s you know, it’s merit based, essentially.
I was curious what it would sai, how the trending page is controlled. Yeah. I looked up on the screen. It says there’s no humans that, manually curate the page.
Right. But, obviously, the algorithm
I don’t I don’t believe this is
I don’t believe that. Cynical about this response.
Yeah. Okay. YouTube’s trending page is controlled by an algorithm that’s trained by human engineers. There’s no employees who manually curate the trending page. How the algorithm works? The algorithm considers many factors to determine which videos are trending, including view count, view velocity, and video age.
The algorithm considers where views are coming from and how the video performs compared to other recent uploads from the same channel. The algorithm aims to create a list of trending content that’s relevant and representative across the platform. The algorithm refreshes every 15 minutes to stay current. Filters.
The algorithm applies strict content filters to keep the trending list family friendly. These filters ensure that videos don’t contain excessive profanity. Well, that cuts me out. Mature content, violence, or disparaging others in the community. Okay. So just that line saloni, disparaging others in the community. Yeah.
it would be in YouTube’s best interest, sai they need they need you. So
Well, don’t they like views?
Yeah. That’s what I’m doing. Don’t you don’t you sell ads? If I was YouTube, I’d be like, no. We want Joe Rogan’s thing up here. We need views.
Well, not only that. If you put it in trending, you’ll get more views, so you get more advertising revenue.
On that specific one, I think they were worried about something else.
But yeah. They were worried about it promoting Donald Trump and then ai up being president because of that. But then it got to a point where you couldn’t find it. Sai that was real weird. Like, if you googled the Trump Rogen podcast, you would not find that podcast at all. You would find clips of people discussing it.
You would not find the actual podcast.
When I first saw it, it was someone reacting to it Yeah.
Live. Bizarre. Didn’t you tweet, ai,
we had to release it at the same time on multiple platforms. Sorry for the glitch. Wasn’t there a
There was a glitch because the way, we upload generally, Jamie, you could speak to this. We upload with a timer. Right? Like, it’s gonna upload every user.
Is ai at noon. This time we were doing it at night and, you know, they just didn’t for whatever reason, it didn’t go ai, but the the the platforms don’t work the same.
We just released it. We just said, like, let’s just release it now. But it took a while to to get up and to it was just that was just like an issue with just how the upload system works. Sai it’s ai it’s more effective to upload on a timer apparently, but that that had nothing to do with YouTube.
That was just a a thing about and then when it was being suppressed, and I knew it was being suppressed, I talked to Spotify and talked to Elon and said, let’s just put it on x. And so we put it on x as well. And then Elon put it on x and it wound up getting across all platforms somewhere in the neighborhood of, like, 250,000,000 views. Fucking insanity.
But a lot of it was x. And, like, a lot of people on independent pages, they just took it when it was a problem finding it, and they just uploaded it to their own channel on x. A lot of people did that. And then, you know, I uploaded it. Elon Elon’s alone got, like, 65,000,000 views, and I got, like, 25,000,000 views. It was just nuts.
It’s ai people wanted it and it’s the Streisand effect. As soon as you try to suppress something, I just I don’t buy into the idea that there wasn’t some sort of manipulation behind the scenes. It just doesn’t make any sense, whether it was rogue employees or whether it was someone who is gaming the reporting system, ai, reporting something for like, maybe that could be it.
Like, if you get enough people that report that a video is a problem, maybe that could throw it off. I don’t know. You know, I don’t even I don’t wanna ask ai I don’t think I’m gonna get an honest answer.
I kinda have, but I don’t talk to them. You know, I don’t I don’t have, like, a direct channel where I talk to them. I don’t want one.
just ai, let me just put it, you know, ai, this is ai, if there’s a situation like that, I’ll talk about that. And that’s my way of responding to that. Like, make sense to make it make sense to me. Like, why why can’t you find it? Why can’t you find a video that has 65,000,000 views? Why can’t you find that? That doesn’t make any sense.
That’s nuts. Like, what’s wrong with your search system? And then, eventually, that because of me talking about it, it went back. And then then then you could
find it. It’s it’s one of the best things. A lot of people are really grateful that you did that. So
Yeah. I you know, I wanted to just like, we were clearly being manipulated. We were clearly being gaslit and being told that this ai Tyler, even though he was already the president for 4 years. And he wasn’t he didn’t act like a dictator. Like, we know what it’s like when he’s running things.
We’d experienced it for 4 years, and they were telling us that this was the end of civilization, shah trans people are gonna be rounded up and fucking nets thrown on them, and it it was really wild that people weren’t going to be safe. It was really wild. It was really wild. And they yeah.
They just ai, and and they gaslit people to the point where when you’d actually do have the guy in and talk to him and sai, like, no. He’s not mentally compromised. He’s not incoherent. He’s very coherent. He’s got an amazing amount of energy.
You guys sat here for 3 hours, and we could have done another 3 hours easy. He can go on and on and on, and he’s fine. Mhmm. And he had some really good points. First of all, the the point about the California wildfires where he’s discussing their their water issues, that it could all be fixed.
And then he gave them a plan to fix it, and then they they rejected it. And he’s like, you could have all the fucking water you need, and you should be doing things to make sure that these fires don’t happen again. There’s ways to clean up the brush. There’s ways to do this. There’s ways to do that. You stop the fuel.
You you know, you develop, better systems for water distribution, sprinkler systems. Like, there’s ways to do this, and he talked about those ways on the podcast. And it’s like, you know, eerily accurate when you see what happened to the Pacific Palisades.
Yeah. Well, that clip of you predicting the whole thing.
Yeah. That was a sai here’s the thing, this climate change narrative. This is a really goofy thing that people on the left are talking. This is because of climate change. This is climate change causes fire. LA has had essentially the same weather pattern since the 1800, since they started noticing them.
There’s a great video here. I’ll send it to you, Jamie. There’s a great video of the, Topanga ai. You might be able to find it before I can pull it up. The Topanga Ai from 1961, I believe.
There was a huge fire that raged through the Hollywood Hills pre climate change, 1961. LA has always been dry as fuck. It’s
That’s why ai movie industry is there. Because you could film outside, and you don’t ever have to worry about it raining on you. That’s literally why they came there, because it was it’s the perfect climate. It’s amazing. I was just there last weekend. The weather’s incredible.
But the city, because of their ridiculous policies, is just a fucking disaster. A dangerous, creepy, weird disaster
same time? Could be. Could be. Windy ass windy sounds the same. Brush ai, wind.
But, I mean, that’s just what happens, man. So the the situation that I encountered was, from 2,000 I was filming Fear Factor, so it had to be before 2,007. So it was really before a lot of this. I mean, you know, you had The Inconvenient Truth
Documentary, but you didn’t have the type of, climate change discussions that you’re you have today.
It’s just LA. It it’s not a climate change issue.
God, I gotta find this video.
I don’t have 1,000 acres burned, 450 homes burned. Here’s the aftermath. Houses digging through it.
Yeah. That is a black and white one. The one that I had was, was color footage. I know I have it. If you just give me a second, I will find
it. The documentary is called Ai for Disaster that’s popping up. This also says Bel Air.
Here. I’m just going through my Whitney Cummings sent it to me. So I’m going through my videos with her, and I’ll find it in a second. But the point is it’s ai when I experienced that, this was not when everybody was, chiming in about climate change being that here it is. I found it.
19 sixties, it was in the canyon. Here it is. I’ll send it to
you, Jamie. A 134 square miles of thick, dry, chaperone. Yeah. All within the city And it’s
ai of those guys talking like this because that’s how they talked in the news back then. So it’s a ai documentary about the fires. And so when I was talking to this fireman, I think it was 2,003, if I if I’m correct. I think it was 2,003. And we were experiencing a ai, and he told me Sai because where I lived, I’ve been evacuated 3 times. I’ve been evacuated in the early 2000.
So this is give me some volume on this. You could hear the way this guy talks.
Ground cover in the Western Hemisphere. The fire starting from its point of origin north of Mulholland on Stone Canyon, spreads out along canyon walls in three directions. Flames begin spreading at the rate of 13 acres per minute.
With that report of 4 people trapped on foot between Meh need help from the police department. And an ambulance to 2025 Ai Road.
How can a modern water system properly designed to meet emergency fire conditions fail to function? 4 84 times, fire proved its deadly efficiency by incinerating in a few roaring minutes what families had taken years to acquire. Over a 134
So that has always been a problem.
So they had the same issue back then?
The 100% same issue. So this idea that these left wing people, particularly media people, they want to use this binary thing. You know? This is what I saw. Oh, Trump said drill, baby, drill right after we’re dealing with this climate change fueled emergency in the Pacific Palisades and climate that is not it’s not climate change.
It is the climate of Los Angeles. It’s a fucking desert. They put a city in the fucking desert because they wanted to film movies there. And it’s also windy in the winter because you get the Santa Ana winds, which is what just occurred where you get these 100 mile they’re historic. They’ve always happened.
Every year, we get the Santa Ana. There’s fire season for a fucking reason. There’s Los Angeles has fire season. Where I used to live, it was fire season. And every time the winter would come and everything was dry and all of the vegetation was brown and the wind was whipping around, everybody would get nervous because you get you know, there’s a bunch of different reasons.
The the one big one from 2018, they found out that it was, like, some part that had failed that initially caused the fire that was a $1 part. The part cost $1. It’s $11 piece that they failed to replace, caused the sparks that led to the initial fire that was the 2018 ai, where you saw if you go down the 405 in Hollywood, like, half of the side of the highway was completely engulfed in flames.
It looked apocalyptic. It was bananas ai on the highway, and the whole left side of the highway is completely on ai. Giant hills of raging fires that they couldn’t put out. It’s always been like this. It’s Los Angeles. It’s Los Angeles.
Ai didn’t they adapt? Ai, I lived in LA for 2 years. I’m on the volunteer fire department in my town where I live now in Massachusetts, and we don’t have fire hydrants.
We’re out by Concord, like, near there.
Yeah. I know where that is.
So there’s no fire hydrants. And so we’d bring our own water.
But it’s possible is my point.
Uh-huh. It’s possible. And the problem with this past fire and there’s a here’s another thing that’s a lot of weird pushback against that it was arson caused. Hey. Some of it was arson caused. Fact. They’ve arrested people. Okay. They arrested people for starting fires. They’ve arrested multiple people for starting fires.
My friend, Andrew Huberman, filmed people starting fires. They were starting fires in the middle of this fire disaster. Right. Because it doesn’t mean it’s the cause of it. Right.
It means along the way, there was a lot of arson. Like, some people were saying that, you know, oh, there’s this false narrative that was the homeless people, ai, okay. Whether they had a house or whether they didn’t have a house, some people started fucking fires. There’s video footage of the 3 fires that are started semi simultaneously that are near the Palisades.
And on one of the video footage, it’s very clear that there’s a human being. It’s, like, from the sky where they’re filming this. There’s a human being that’s near the fire. Most likely, the cause of the fire was a person who either accidentally did this or did it on purpose.
Lit a fire. So the problem is not fucking climate change. The problem is LA is extremely vulnerable when it comes to fires and always has been, and they’ve done very little to mitigate this yearly disaster problem that they have. That’s the facts. Yeah. That’s the reality of it. That’s that’s indisputable.
Do you think Gavin Newsom’s gonna is this gonna be the end of him, or people are gonna put up with it?
I would like to think that people would wise up. I mean, there’s been a trend in California to to vote in the opposite direction. If you look at the map of 2020 versus the map of 2024, the counties that went red, ai, a significant number. But the high population centers are in the trance. The the San Francisco, Los Angeles, very difficult to get those people to vote anything other than blue.
And so if the people that are Democrat are giving them the exact same solutions, exact same gaslighting, and they keep buying it over and over again and they still win elections, then there’s no incentive for them to correct course. So this is why. California has been essentially blue since except for the time where Arnold won, which is weird. Right?
Because he was kind of ai a moderate Republican and also famous, and that probably led to him winning. But other than that, since Reagan, he what did it he did something where he allowed people that came here and where what is what was the issue that Reagan did? There was some sort of a voting issue where he allowed people from like, I think it was people that immigrated here illegally from Mexico. There’s coffee and water.
Whatever you ai. There’s water in that glass right there. But California is basically locked bryden, and the only thing that’s gonna change it is things like these specific ai where people realize we have an incompetent government. And if we have competent government that is right wing and, as long as they don’t infringe on civil rights and human rights and all the things that we’re terrified of from right wing extremists, as long as they don’t do that, you’ll probably be better off leaning in that direction if someone’s gonna take a pragmatic solution, a pragmatic view of what these problems are and make meaningful change.
Ai, you’ve gotta you’ve gotta figure out what what is first of all, with the ai, it’s like this all could be prevented. What’s causing the fire? Well, all this brush, they had record rainfall. Record rainfall means record growth. So you have record growth of all these grasses and brush and all this stuff.
So it’s all green and lush until LA runs out of water because it stops raining for a long ai, and then everything turns brown. And then it’s a tender. It’s just fire tender. It’s just it’s a tender box.
When the fire chief says if we’d had a 1,000 more trucks, it wouldn’t have, quote, tamped this down. Mhmm. But then we see an old man with a garden hose able to save his house. It’s like, well, an individual was able to make a difference. Right. So then, logically, a difference could be made.
There’s one guy who, put lawn sprinklers on his roof.
Milk, orange juice. I saw one ai, and, like, it’s so it’s difficult to have those two narratives. They contradict each other.
They do. But, I mean, the firefighters are saying once the fire is raging, even if they had a 100 trucks, you’re dealing with 100 mile an hour winds, and you’ve got this enormous like, who if someone did start these fires, if they were started by arson, the way they did it was very strategic because they essentially did it upwind.
They did it, like, right where the wind was gonna blow the fire into the city. Like, if you started that fire at the outskirts of the city, it would just burn to an area that’s not populated. They city, it would just burn to an area that’s not populated. They started it ai where all the brush was, right where all the woods were, where the wind was at its back.
And then they started it in multiple arya, so that it would come and spread out in a in this way that was, like, impossible to stop. So once it gets big, like, to this day, like, what is the fire? Yesterday, I read that it was 60 I think it was 65% contained. This is, like, we’re in weeks. Right? That’s crazy. Weeks into this. At one point in time, it was 0% contained. It was just burning through.
And if you haven’t seen, there’s a great video. I’ll send you this, Jamie, of, an overhead view of what it looks like now, and
68% contained today. I’m gonna send you this, Jamie, because it’s a helicopter that is flying over the Palisades, and you get to see, like, the extent of the devastation. And in until you see it, like, with your own eyes from the air, it’s hard to understand how big the destruction is, how enormous the amount of land that was destroyed, the amount of homes that were destroyed.
And not just destroyed. Here is like, you could see this here. I mean, this is crazy. This is absolutely crazy. And the video is larger, Jamie, if you could, like, shrink it a little sai that that way you can see the top.
So there’s there’s words at the top that block off some of it, but it goes on, like, way above that. See that? Mhmm. Like, this is an enormous piece of land covered with homes that’s gone.
Not just gone, but now poisoned. Sai now not only are these homes burnt, but everything that was in the homes, all the plastics, all the chemicals, all the batteries, Teslas, all these different electric cars, all all that the electronics, all the the toxic chemicals that come from the building materials, all that has now seeped into the ground and will eventually seep into the water.
It’s gonna get into the water supply. It’s probably gonna get into the ocean. It’s gonna wash into the ocean.
Yeah. I don’t think people realize how toxic that stuff is.
Not just that. It’s in the air. So, you know, they can say the weather quality or the air quality is good in California based on how much smog there is. But what’s in the fucking smog now? Because this is not just automobile smog. This is not just just ai dirt kicked up by the ai, which they’ve always had.
Like, they the the the smog in Los Angeles existed before there were cars because there was always this problem with the way the valley is shaped. The valley just contains all this air in there, and you would get dust pollution even back before there were fucking cars or if there was anybody that was burning coal or you had fireplaces or that kind of shit.
You’re getting all that smoke that was always contained in that area. It’s just a bad place for air. And so then on top of that, you’ve got all these homes that were burnt and all this toxic waste, all this burning plastic and burning chemicals. Now that’s all in the air, and no one’s discussing that. Like, it has to be bad for you if you live near that.
All those firemen that are breathing that shit in, that’s gonna have long term health consequences for those guys. Yep. Yeah. For all those people that are dealing with all that shit, all those people that are anywhere near it, your air is air of, like do you know the story of the toxic burn pits from Iraq No.
In Afghanistan? So during the war, when troops were, on a base overseas, they would take all their garbage and burn it. So they burned it in these waste pits. And so the wind would shift and blow through the camp, and all these people are breathing toxic air, extremely toxic.
In fact, Biden’s son died from a brain cancer that they connect to his exposure in the military to toxic burn pits. It’s a there’s a a a whole swarm of health consequences that veterans have faced because of these toxic burn pits. Sai the dumbest fucking way to deal with garbage of all ai, make the troops breathe it in as you burn it.
same ai of thing that’s happening in LA. It’s the same shit. You’re breathing burnt garbage, burnt refuge, burnt buildings, burnt cars, burnt ai. All that stuff you’re breathing in.
I didn’t realize how often you don’t think about, like, firefighters, but they’re exposed to that.
The guys on the it’s all volunteer, but the guys that, you know, in their fifties, sixties, and you’re just, like, hacking all the time. Yeah. And it’s it’s like a sacrifice they make knowingly. Yeah. It’s crazy. It’s the gear is never because you can’t just wash fire gear.
You gotta have it specially washed. And so there’s, like, the the kitchen in the firehouse. Right? And you can’t bring the no gear allowed in the kitchen because it’s but, you know, you put it on, go home. You’re supposed to shower every time you see, but that doesn’t happen. So it’s just crazy. Also, they’re fucking exhausted.
Ai exhausted. Like, you you don’t even sana shower. You just wanna close your fucking eyes. You’ve been working 28 hours. You meh a couple hours of sleep before you get back out there again. It’s fucking insane and still 68% contained today. Was today’s date the 23rd,
22nd? Some people talk about the was the big camp the ai from a few years ago?
The debt containment number starts getting used as a big political tool and, like, it’ll never end up being, like, a 100%. It just kinda keep pushing the number around to talk about stuff and just it’ll never just eventually just goes away.
Ai, like, the big number for the biggest ai? Like, they’ve contained a 100% of a small fire. Mhmm. Like, the biggest fire, it’ll just it’ll always stay at a number that’s below a 100%.
Well, if it’s still up No.
It just it’s still political. It’s what they’re saying. Like, the residents there just got sick of it. They just they’re ai, this is now a political thing going back and forth. Like, tell us what it is. Right. Where is the fire if it’s not contained ai of thing? Like, it just becomes a thing that no one ai answers for.
Right. That is a weird thing. Right? We wanna put numbers on stuff. Like like, today, we’re, like, is it 65 or is it 68% contained? Like, for fucking what? It’s a fire. Fire is still up. There’s still a fire right now. January 22nd, there’s still fire in Los Angeles. It’s been going on for weeks.
When did it start? What was the date the fire started?
I was reading through something on the New York Ai. One possible thing, which doesn’t sound right, but they’re just going, it’s possible. In that area, someone was lighting fireworks on the night of 1st, and there was a small fire that started. And some firemen went up to put it out, and they stayed to see if it was gonna catch back up.
And 5 days later, they’re like, is is that the same fire? Because it was in a really close to the same spot.
Be real weird if it arya back up 5 days later.
But Yeah. That doesn’t really make sense. That doesn’t make also, it doesn’t make sense if you think about how windy it was and the fact that everything’s dry.
There’s I sai go into the roots, which is Ai never no. That’s why I’m just starting to hear that.
Maybe. But 5 days later, it starts up again as a raging inferno.
That’s what you’re Perhaps. Perhaps. But there is also evidence that people lit fires. There’s also people who got arrested for lighting fires.
It wouldn’t surprise me, man. Have you have you heard the book Monkey Wrench Gang?
Ecoterrorism. These, like, friends living out of a van. They go around and back originally, monkey wrenching was sabotaging for environmental reasons, big equipment to fight back against that kind of thing.
I had a friend back in high school, went to this boarding school. He was really into it, and that’s where I learned about this book. And but it wouldn’t surprise me if that kind of thinking carried over in someone. Because we saw a coffee vatsal, so there’s definitely people out there that have a reason.
Yeah. Well, there’s disturbed individuals in our society. That’s why we have school shooters. Right? That’s why we have we have a lot of things that people do that’s horrible shah are horrible. And one of the things that people do is they start ai. You know, it’s it’s a known thing and to pretend that it’s not possible because it doesn’t it doesn’t appeal to your narrative.
It doesn’t fit with your narrative of the homeless thing that we just have to be compassionate because these are people, and there’s a housing shortage, and it’s just housing, housing, housing. No. You have open air drug markets and mentally ill people and ai, and it’s possible that that’s what’s caused it.
LA ai rekindle ecoterror arya suspect manhunt after fake firefighters arrested. Yeah. That’s the thing. There were fake firefighters that were arrested and there was also fake cops. But I think that was if I had to guess, it was more about stealing than anything because there was organized looting where they were breaking into homes in areas where there were people sana be abandoned.
LA, man. Ai it’s not my cup of tea, but it’s it’s tragic.
One of those firefighters has a history of arson. That’s why they’re talking about that.
Oh, great. 1 of the firefighters?
1 of the fake firefighters.
Oh, yeah. There you go. 1 of them who has a criminal history of arson. Gee, what’s the odds? Well, he definitely didn’t do it again. He learned his lesson, Jamie.
A fake fire truck? A pair of fake ai
Where did he get a fake fire truck?
Yeah. He’s ai dedicated. He’s like the Michael Jordan of fake fire
He got a used one. Would you see the did you see the thing in LA where they had the lot where they showed all of the fire trucks that were out of service? No. 100.
Oh, they’re bringing them back in service?
No. No. No. They were broken down. They hadn’t bothered fixing them. So a journalist got to the lot and was filming from the outside. I think Shellenberger had it on his Twitter page, but a a journalist got to this lot where these fire trucks were, where they were supposed to be repaired.
There was 100 that weren’t repaired. Like, just a fucking huge parking lot. Yeah. Jeez. ai Los Angeles fire trucks wait for repairs as wildfires rage while city spends 1.2 13,000,000,000 on the homeless. This is New York Post.
I heard it was more than 75. Sai had this guy had a a film of it and showed and it it looked like a shit ton of trucks that weren’t fixed. You should fix those. You would have more trucks.
The reason is gonna be, well, we’re backed up. It takes so long. Like, to get a fire truck even ordered, it takes about a year.
God. Ai mean, maybe that could work where there’s very few ai, and it’s just essentially home fires.
We’re fine where we are. But
Yeah. But but it rains where you are too.
California, it does not fucking rain for long stretches of time. The I think California had gone 8 months without rain when these fires started. This is common. This is why this climate change it’s climate change. This is not a change in the climate. This is the climate of California. You see it from ai 1961 video.
You see it from when I was evacuated. Ai 3 times I was evacuated. The houses in front of my old house burnt to the ground in 2018, both of them.
Like, when you were talking about it in that clip that goes around, it’s ai you there’s nothing they can do. Exactly. The right wind Yes. It’s going.
This firefighter told me that when we were filming Fear Factor. He freaked me out. He said it’s just gonna take the right wind. He goes, we just get lucky.
So is there any preparation that could’ve Yeah.
You gotta get rid of all the brush. Okay. Number 1, you gotta get rid of all the stuff that starts fire. That’s possible to do. That’s not impossible. That’s not like putting a person on Venus. This is ai something that could be done. Like, if you have enough money for all that even spent $24,000,000,000 in the homeless crisis, didn’t put a dent in it, you you could have fixed the brush.
You could have fixed that reservoir that was empty. Giant 11,000,000 gallon reservoir of water completely dry. That was crazy. You could have fixed that. You could have saved homes.
Maybe you wouldn’t have saved all of them. You could have saved a lot. You could have saved people’s lives, and they didn’t. And it was incompetent, and it was poor planning, and it was you know, they had a lot of ai that weren’t good. They had a lot of, things that they paid attention to and things they focused on that weren’t important.
What was really important is preventing these kind of reoccurring disasters, continuously reoccurring disasters. I’ve seen a bunch of them. Like I said, I was evacuated multiple times, but I’ve seen multiple other fires that I wasn’t evacuated from that were huge in all sorts of areas around LA.
It’s dry as fuck. One of the big ones that, we experienced was it was ai we were out filming in, ai, out in the Tehachapi arya, like, we’re near Tejon Ranch. We’re filming this thing at this ranch where and we had to cut filming short. And when we’re driving home, the entire right side of the highway for, like, almost an hour was on fire as I was driving home.
So you’re ai, ash is falling from the sky like snow, and the whole time you’re driving, it’s apocalyptic. The whole right side of the highway is inflamed.
I saw a clip of that. It was Yeah. Surreal.
So this has always been a problem with LA. So these climate change kooks, these left wing kooks that wanna put everything into these, like, very binary categories. Like, this is because the republicans refused to agree to climate change and call climate change as a hoax. This is a climate change no. This is LA.
This is the climate of LA. Is this the, the fire trucks?
Alex Jones posted it, but Oh,
he probably posted it too. Lot ai a few people on Twitter posted it, but there is all these fire trucks that were, in this lot. This isn’t the video that I saw. I think multiple people posted them, but they’re all out of commission. They’re all just sitting there. And, you know, obviously, they could’ve used them, but that’s only part of the problem. Part of the problem is planning correctly.
Part of the problem is, you know, there there wasn’t enough water for the fire hydrants, so the fire hydrants went dry. The whole thing’s nuts. And, when Trump talked about it on the podcast, he was eerily accurate. He was eerily accurate as to, you know, what the problem was, and he offered a solution.
And in just to save the smelt, they didn’t wanna do the solution.
Well, this department with Elon, like, you can just imagine what Elon could do with, like, the fire truck problem. Yeah. But he can’t do everything.
Well, you can’t do everything with states. Right? Because states have states’ ai, and they have you know, like, one of the things they they arrest this one guy for arson, and they couldn’t necessarily prove that he, was an arsonist because they they didn’t they had one guy they found with a an actual blowtorch, but they couldn’t prove that he lit the fires with the blowtorch.
But this guy had been arrested multiple times, including for vandalism and all sorts of other things and and, I believe, assault. And ICE wanted to deport him, but the California sanctuary state law, the way it’s set up, they weren’t allowed to deport this guy. So they’re just gonna let him go. He’d been arrested 8 times, this person, in, like, you know, short amount of time. So it’s like a real problem person.
And they were like, meh, maybe this guy shouldn’t be in the fucking country lighting things on fire. And they’re like, no. We have sanctuary.
I don’t know. I don’t know what the latest is. I try not to pay too much attention. I’ll go crazy.
But California is deep in the trance. Deep. And I think the only thing that’s gonna snap people out of it is something like this, where they ai, like, oh my god. These people are completely incompetent. It used to be the homeless situation was a little bit of a wake up call. This is, like, next level. This is, like, next level incompetence wake up call.
And so I’m hoping that someone can come along that’s a reasonable conservative person that can shift things in California, like appeal to people’s concerns when it comes to social issues, you know, women’s rights, gay rights, the things that people are terrified of when it comes to right wing.
You know, when you think about, like, far right fascist governments that are sana, like, clamp down on people’s ai. Like, what we’re really worried about is disenfranchised people and marginalized groups and people that are more maligned. Right? So if someone can just, like, appeal to that so, like, we’ve no desire to stop gay marriage. We have no desire to, you know, limit women’s reproductive rights. Mhmm.
we do want to do is make a more fiscally sound city and and have more conservative policies in terms of what are we spending our money on sana what are what are the results. You can’t just say, oh, we work for a homeless initiative and so, oh, well, you got a blank check. Do whatever you wanna do.
Like, it should be like, what have you done? Mhmm. How have you how have you solved the problem? Hey. Look.
We spent $24,000,000,000 and homelessness went up by a significant amount. Tens of thousands of new homeless people while we spent $24,000,000,000. This is not effective. So whatever you guys are doing, you’re shitty at it. So we don’t want you doing it anymore. Mhmm.
We’re gonna bring in someone who has some more some something’s gonna progress the idea better. Mhmm. You know, someone who’s gonna fix this problem better. Someone’s got a more pragmatic solution. If they could do that, they but they have to appeal to people that are deep blue. They’re deep blue.
They’re blue no matter who. And the problem with California is very unique and, more unique than New York in that California, the entire city, is established around the entertainment industry, and it’s established around the dream. If you go to Los Angeles, you can make it. Well, in order to go to Los Angeles and make it, if you’re an actor, you have to audition.
And when you’re auditioning, you’re auditioning to people that almost universally have a very specific political ideology. You can’t be a part of the group. You can’t be a part of the team if you’re a right wing Christian Republican and you’re making films. That doesn’t exist.
You got, like, Mel Gibson and a few outliers. That’s it. Clint Eastwood, a few outliers. For the most part, if you are an actor and you wanna work in Hollywood and by the way, Mel Gibson and all those guys will hire left wing people. These people will not hire right wing people.
So you see everyone sort of morph their personality and morph their political ideology and their social ideology around what’s going to get them picked. Yep. Because you’re when you’re an actor, you have to get picked. So if, like, you and I go for a part, and there’s a bunch of other people going for a part, and we’re all, like, similarly qualified in terms of, like, the look that this part is looking for, a lot of it is determined by whether they like you.
And Hollywood runs off the blacklisting idea. Oh, yeah. Sai, if you if you go against your union, that’s how unions have power. Yes. If you cross the picket line, you’re gonna be blacklisted. And we’re not, you know and you’d be ai, and that has real consequences in LA. Because people don’t realize what I always describe it when I’m teaching that class ai filmmaking. Hollywood is the very definition of a rigged game.
Yes. It’s a rigged game. They can shut you out. And so that this is the underlying philosophy of the entire city. So even though there’s only a certain amount of people that are actors in LA, there’s a lot of people that wanted to be actors, and there’s a lot of people that want to be famous.
And so they get their fame from their small social media. They get, like, a little adrenaline and dopamine drip off of, like, social media likes and, like, maybe I my TikTok can go viral.
they get a little fame from that. There’s a bunch of fame seekers. All those people are locked in to this cult like thinking, so it’s very difficult to get them out of that.
I it’s the technology, I think, is gonna revolution. We’re on the precipice of this. We were talking about Heath Ledger earlier. What happened to those kind of independent movies that Ai remember being in high school before going into film school and, like, watching those monsters ball Mhmm. Candy.
These small Heath I think independent movies that made you feel like they were just made for you. They weren’t ai Marvel or Disney. Right? And we don’t see those anymore because everything’s changing in the industry for multiple reasons. The strikes had a lot to do with it.
I think it’s it’s a strange paradox where you have more of an ability to reach an audience than ever before, but there’s fewer ai positions, movies being made. There’s the shortage of there’s this hiring shortage, but camera’s more accessible than ever. And You were talking about the potential for someone to come I mean, I think it’s only a matter of time till it does happen.
The Daily Wire is trying kind of with Pendragon Ai.
They’re they were doing, an Arthurian legend. Their attempt at Game of Thrones, which would be, if it were to land, could be massive. It could I in my theory is it could be the tipping point because it’s going non my my understanding is it’s nonunion. You have Angel Studios, and they’re the kind of trying to compete, but we’ve never had an alternative to the union model.
The traditional production model which drives the production cost because there’s nothing stopping you from getting a camera and going out there and doing it except for the rigged game, which says, well, we’re gonna black history. We won’t distribute your movie. There’s all these different parameters. You’re not SAG sanctioned. Blah blah blah blah blah.
If if Daily Wire could land the pin bryden cycle and it were to be a solid enough story on the equivalence of, like, Game of Thrones, It could it could change so much, but there’s the recent Brett Cooper stuff that’s going on. It’s
Brett Cooper leaving the Daily Wire.
She was she’s no longer at the Daily Ai, the meh section. You know Brett Cooper? She created the meh section of Daily Wire.
Is that what you speak? Meh section.
And it’s got Are you aware of this, Jamie?
A little bit. A little bit. Yeah. And then they hired someone else to host it.
Yeah. I’ll break it down. Break it down for you. Happened? She developed they hired her. Like, we want you to start the yeah. We want you to start this YouTube channel for Gen z. We want it to feel like you’re a streamer.
Let’s hear what she says. Let’s rewind that shit. Let’s hear what she has to sai. Just a little bit.
Hey, guys. Some of you have heard the rumors ai, and the rumors are mostly true. Today, December 10th, will be my last day hosting the meh section and working for the Daily Wire. It is not true that I am being forced out. It was my own choice to leave. And believe me, this is bittersweet.
I have had the most unbelievable 3 years helping to craft the show, building this community, and telling stories and sharing the truth every day. Through the comment section, you all have made me braver, more articulate, more thoughtful, more hopeful than I could have ever imagined, and I’m grateful that we spent this time together.
And I’m grateful that The Daily Wire gave us a platform to grow this community. But at this point in my life, I am ready to take on a new direction both personally and professionally. This means new challenges and new endeavors, which I will share with you soon. As for this show, the meh section will continue with The Daily Wire.
My producer, Reagan, is taking over as host of the comment section, and I wish her and The Daily Wire all the best. We have had 3 great years, and I am proud of what we’ve accomplished together. Leaving the show and the platforms that we’ve built is hard, but Ai very excited for what’s to come.
Knowing that we have brought so many people together and
in laughter cause this? I’m not hearing this. So what ai I meh not hearing is, like, what caused
No one knows exactly. There’s speculation because the girl who took the place was her best her maid of honor in her wedding. Like, best friend was the producer of the show. It’d be ai Jamie taking your place, except obviously not, you know. But that’s what’s happened now. And it’s nose to ai. It’s pulling ai it used to pull, like, half a 1000000 views per video. It’s pulling 40,000 now. Mhmm.
And there was this theory that they had trained Reagan with they hired an acting coach because her mannerisms were the exact same hand movements, everything we were talking about nonverbal communication Mhmm. Importance to that. And it was eerie. We she has started a YouTube channel that’s already amassed half a 1000000. She hasn’t posted any videos.
So there’s a lot of loyalists to her. But she grew this channel to over 4,000,000 people in the last 3 years as you were just hearing. Right. And she arya in the pin bryden cycle. She used to act.
But what was the problem though?
We don’t know. We don’t know. There’s speculation that she she it exploded the channel. So she it’s likely for applying critical thinking to this. It’s more than likely that she approached Jeremy Boring, Daily Wire. He’s like, look, guys. I’d like to be paid more than what I’m making because I’m pulling more views than anybody at the Daily Wire, possibly. That’s what happened.
She was living on this farm with a commute. She’s a little fresh here with that. Maybe it’s she wanted to there’s speculation shah wanted to run her show ai of from her house. Mhmm. Working in there but no one knows exactly.
There’s NDAs and everything. So
It’s hard when someone is a part of a channel and then their show blows up and they realize like, oh, I could have done this on my own, which is the reality. The reality is, like, being a part of a channel, like, it doesn’t really get you much, obviously, because the new show only has 40,000 views. Right?
True. True. But Jeremy Boring’s response would be, yeah. But we throw the Daily Wire’s advertising money behind these people who spend a lot in advertising. We lose a lot of money before we make any money.
Yeah. But from what shows? Not the shows that are successful. The shows that are successful are successful. Like, that you lose that’s the that’s ai the record business
Version of, arithmetic. Yeah.
You can’t buy the elusive intangible.
Yeah. Their their record business is notoriously horrible with that. So they they have a model where when they sign an artist, the artist gets an advance. Right? And then the advance, you’re you’re responsible for so much. You’re responsible for advertising. They they take into account a bunch of artists they spend money on that doesn’t create money. So they have all this Hollywood math that they apply.
And at the end of it, like, they make more than you and you make almost nothing.
So that’s very likely a possibility.
And they throw as much shit against the wall as possible. Like, think of a record company. You know, they might they might fund a bunch of different artists.
Yeah. And then only 1 or 2 of them take off, but those 1 or 2 of them are suit that’s Prince, and he’s getting fucked. And meanwhile, he’s a giant superstar. Like, Prince had to change his name. He’s ai, okay. Well, you own Prince? You guys own okay. I’m this now.
I’m a fucking squiggly ai. That’s what he did. So it was the artist formerly known as Prince,
And do you know that? Like, Prince for a while when he was in was it Warner Brothers? Whoever he was in dispute with, he changed his name to a symbol. And that was how he could still perform. He’s like, yeah, you don’t own this, bitch.
And there’s probably a non compete clause. That’s just why she hasn’t posted anything yet. Crazy.
It’s Yeah. But, you know, that’s what you get if you want the shortcut. Right? The shortcut is being a part of a a channel. You know, I’m gonna connect myself to a channel and, you know, I’m gonna agree to give them x amount percentage of what I do. It’s really not a smart way to do it today, and it’s not necessary.
Because today, all you have to do is have a camera and a backdrop and just start recording. And, organically, if your content is good, your thing can grow, and then it’s yours. It’s all yours. And then getting advertising is not hard. If you’re successful, you get an agent. You get an advertising agent, and they bring you MeUndies ads and all kinds of shit. Next thing you know, you’re making money.
You’re making money off your channel, and then your channel grows organically. And then you don’t have to deal with executives telling you what kind of guest you should have on, or what topics you should avoid, or what things you should accentuate or we would like you to talk about this today, ai,
that stuff is, you know and then as you get more and more famous from your work, you ai, no, the people like meh, like, this is the reason why the show is going on and I’ve gotta pay these assholes 60% of everything I’m making. And this is dumb. If I was on YouTube independently,
I would be rich right now. I’d be making good money. I’d have
a nice arya, and instead, I’m getting a salary. And my salary is not really representative of how much income I’m bringing into the company.
I mean, you got, like, someone like Jordan Peterson who did partner with the same company. And maybe that allows him to do more, like, traveling over what did they do, like, the, you know, Jerusalem Right. But I
bet he got a better deal. First of all, it’s Jordan Peterson. He’s already famous, you ai. And he’d be like they would throw money at him. You know, like, there’s that famous thing with Steven Crowder where Steven Crowder sort of yeah.
People were using that in context of this saying this this kind of.
Yeah. So and the the the Crowder thing was kinda weird because he recorded a conversation, a private conversation that he had. Yeah. But the the whole thing behind it is, like, you’re getting money to agree to be a part of a company. And the only reason why they would be willing to give you that money is if they’re gonna make money. Like, they have to take they’re taking a chance. Mhmm.
I went through a similar thing with Spotify, but Spotify was great. There was no issues at all. It was ai, we think the show is really valuable. We’re gonna give you a lot of money to be exclusive on Spotify. And just that’s it. Pretty simple. No input at all in terms of, like, who I should have on or what I should talk about or, you know, there was nothing.
It was there was a few hiccups during the COVID days where, you know, they were experiencing so many attacks. They were they were getting, like, strong pressure to try to remove the podcast, and, they didn’t buckle. They they hung in there.
Yeah. Good for them. I’m very loyal to them because of that. Because what they did was pretty extraordinary.
A lot of people would have caved, and they did not cave.
But to bring it, but you see how that now is sana, they’ve already filmed pin bryden ai, this whole thing, this Arthurian. Mhmm. So it’s probably gonna impact
Ai, I hope it’s good, you know.
The the thing is, like, who’s writing it? How good are the people that are writing it? How good is the story?
It’s all about the story.
Yeah. It’s it’s all the story. It’s all about how good is it, you know, because
I was thinking about that on the airplane. Ai, this ai, how the bulk the logic of story. They’re all trying to connect all these dots and everything. But I think there is a an inherent there are patterns. Like, I was talking about mathematics. How I can’t think about math I need a visual.
Ai think when you’re writing a movie, you can when it clicks into place, you can feel it. And they call it cracking the story. Mhmm. And they hire writers to crack the story, almost like it’s a math problem. So to me, that indicates that there’s, like, this fabric. That’s how I think about it.
There’s this fabric of reality that stories tap into that you’re trying to connect connect to, and you can so you feel it when it clicks in.
And you’re almost when it is when it does click and you have that hook, you’re like, this is the reason to make ai this movie is interesting.
Then you’re almost making it for the sake of the story, not the audience. But the audience will come as a consequence. Yeah. As opposed to today where people think they can make movies for the audience ai Disney and or but they’re discarding the very fabric of the reality of these stories that they can, well, we can change Snow White.
Right. And then that screws them up.
Yeah. Fuck. Well, it’s also people, like, really resistant to that now. They’re getting so upset about it. They don’t want you to force feed them some sort of activist version of a story. They they just sana stories. They want the thing where, you know, you’re saying, like, you you get it. Like, oh, that we found it. This is the hook.
This is the meat of the story. This is the exciting this is the thing that resonates with people. That’s why it’s so frustrating when you go to a movie and that never happens. You never get hooked in.
Yeah. Because you could take the same story and tell it different ways. Mhmm. Logically, there’s one ideal way you’re never gonna quite get there. Right. Because I was watching Beautiful Mind on the airplane, which is, I think, my favorite movie. I’m trying to think of one that’s better. It’s just Amazing movie. Yeah.
Yeah. That movie nailed it. Yeah. They nailed it. That’s why
I’m thinking so much about, like, math and everything.
Well, there there’s kind of a math to it. Right?
That’s my point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then Dunkirk alright. So I this blew my mind. So the golden ratio Mhmm. Can be found in music, movies, everything. Then someone showed me on on your arm. This is the golden ratio. 1 wait. 1 to 1.6. Then from here, 1 wait. Sorry. 1 to 1.6.
In your hand, 1 to 1.6. Your finger to the knuckle, 1 to 1.6. Now, if you speak down what Nolan did in Dunkirk this is probably getting too nerdy and everything. He took 3 different story lines, did what he does with the shepherd tone, And air, land, and sea. Land is a is a the story is takes place over a week. Air, an hour. Speak, a day.
And then he does what what he does with the Shepard tone, which is in Batman and all of his movies. It’s an ascending tone, like, a barbershop spiral that is infinite. Were you it’s it’s the first sound is ai crescendo, and then it fades out, and the middle one is consistent, and the top one is going down, and it sounds to the human ear infinite.
He took that which he’s used in the bat mode, the Batman’s bike, the music he’s used in the prestige in most of his movies. If you listen to Dunkirk, you hear the sound, and it’s just increasing tension. You don’t even notice it almost. It’s because it never reaches a crescendo.
So you feel like something’s off, but you never quite get there. He then takes that and structures the frickin’ story as a shepherd tone to the point where at the very end and you are in that frickin’ the golden ratio. So if this is the meat of the movie in that final hour of air, the 3 stories converge. There’s a mathematical formula to ai. It’s not a coincidence. Mhmm.
And that was what separates him. So there’s a math math Well, he seems
uniquely uninfluenced by pop culture too.
He’s I I think he famously doesn’t have email. He’s one of those guys who doesn’t have a phone, doesn’t have email, and obviously incredibly brilliant person. So he’s obviously aware of email. He’s aware of phones, but I think he’s probably one of those guys who goes, you know what?
The more that’s coming in that’s influencing me is it’s gonna fuck with my ability to have a vision, a unique personal vision based on what I know resonates with people and what I know resonates with me and how to make a story that really works.
Yeah. I think you’re writing for yourself. You should you should treat yourself ai that’s what I do with my YouTube stuff. It’s like, you don’t try and do it for an eye because
Well, you do it for the thing. You make the thing the best thing it can be. Meh.
Which is what you wanna see. That’s how you how do you judge it? How do you know if it’s good or not? Mhmm. Right? Yeah. Most because ai I would wanna sai, I’m gonna try and make it as good as what I would wanna see.
Right. You know? Yeah. It is, it’s a fascinating medium. Right? Because now it’s also being challenged by these shows that are essentially long movies, like Ozark. Yeah. Ai? Sai Ozark is a long movie. Yeah. Sai and you can get so much on The Sopranos. You get so much more into depth with the characters and the interactions and and everything that’s below the boat, you know. Yeah.
There’s so much more when you have 6 seasons
or something. I heard you talking to Tarantino about that.
Yeah. Well, he was talking he disparagingly talked about Yellowstone being a soap opera, but he but he also talked about, Homeland. About Homeland was an exception to that because it was essentially this amazing moment at the end of the first season
Where the the show is like a Homeland first season was incredible, and it is like a movie. It’s really good. It’s really well made. And at the end of it, you’re ai, wow, this is a fucking incredible piece of just artwork.
Have you seen Taylor Sheridan’s new show, Landman?
I haven’t. I watched one episode. I haven’t seen it all yet.
It takes a bit to get into it, but it’s he’s doing something that no one else is doing.
I was a little thrown off by the lady who’s playing his daughter because she’s clearly, like, 30 years old. And I’m like, how are you telling me she’s 17? This is crazy. With that. But But that’s crazy. Like, that girl looks like she’s she’s gotta be ai years old at least. Do you think? Well, let’s find out.
Yeah. No. I know she is. We looked at it.
Ram a producer’s perspective, yeah, you’re not gonna hire ai freaking 18. You’re gonna hire someone over 18 for labor laws, for sure. So she’s
definitely Well, how about to hire someone that’s 18? But you can’t
ai. 19. Like So then you can get around the label.
At least she looks like she could
27. Oh, dang. Okay. You got it. 27. That’s
Beautiful lady, but looks like a lady.
Looks like a beautiful woman. It does not look like a high school kid.
And so when you’re seeing that, it throws you off ai immediately. Like, what did what are you doing here? Touche. This is nuts. Yeah. Ai just doesn’t make any sense. Yeah. Doesn’t I’m not saying she looks bad at all. She looks great. She looks but she looks like a mature woman.
She doesn’t look like a young child.
So when he’s got this dynamic where he’s dealing this, like, wild rebellious teenage daughter
She’s lying. That’s ai when was the
last time you saw her? That might not be the same person.
Billy Bob’s hilarious though.
He’s great. He’s fucking phenomenal.
Great rants about climate change and oil.
He’s a phenomenal actor. Well, that’s the other thing about climate change. Like, listen, if you really think that it’s oil is the problem with climate change, well, you better change your whole fucking life. Yeah. Because everything in your goddamn is that what he says? Everything in your goddamn life is made with oil.
Everything in your hair, everything in your car, everything in your phone, everything in your fucking life is made with oil.
And you’re reading the Elon’s Elon’s biography on the airplane, but they do you think he could he thinks he could get the solution with the solar with the battery walls and the battery roof. Could that work?
I don’t know. It may may work, but you’re still dealing with some kind of pollution from brake dust. You’re dealing with, we we we actually pulled this up recently. We’re talking about it was an enormous percent of more pollutants are released into the atmosphere because of electric cars than combustion engines because of brake dust. So electric cars.
The one thing good about electric cars is specifically Teslas. Teslas have regenerative braking. So when I drive my Tesla, oftentimes Sai don’t even have to hit the brakes because I just let off the gas when I’m getting close to an intersection. I gently tap the brakes when I get close to the line where the red light is. But when you’re driving normally, it’s ai 1 foot driving.
The brakes work, but you don’t have to use them because when you let off the brakes or let off the gas or the the the car slows itself and it slows it doesn’t coast. Mhmm. Like, you can’t just hit 60 miles an hour and then let your foot off the gas and it’ll just kinda cruise along. It doesn’t do that. Mhmm.
It slows down, like, considerably because it’s regenerating electricity through this regenerative braking aspect of it. So that probably has less brake dust than other electric cars. But, you know, there’s electric cars that you’ll ai, like, if you drive, like, the Porsche Taycan. It’s an amazing electric car.
It doesn’t have that regenerative braking thing or at least it’s maybe it’s a setting and, you know, the car that I was in didn’t have it turned on. But when you let off the gas, it just coasts like a regular car. Sai those cars are much heavier than regular cars, much heavier.
And there’s a problem with guardrails because of that. So guardrails are designed for a car that’s a specific weight. And, you know, most cars weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 4,000, £5,000. But when you add batteries, so if you have a a car that’s filled with enormous amounts of batteries, that car is a lot heavier than a regular arya.
And some of those cars just go right through those guardrails. Wee. Because there’s just too much mass. And sai you have more brake dust that gets into the air because you have to slow down this much larger, heavier vehicle ram much much more mass. And when you’re doing that, you’re generating more brake dust.
And the only solution to that, we talked about it, like, carbon fiber bryden, which are expensive and mostly in high performance cars, they have much less brake dust. So, like, you know, when you clean your car arya you if you’re washing your car, you go to the wheels, there’s all that dust that’s around the the dark dust that’s around the wheel that you have to clean.
That’s all brake dust. So that’s getting into the air. So if you live in a place that is high traffic Mhmm. And, like, stop and go traffic, you get brake dust everywhere.
reading an article that kind of disagrees with that, and it explains why here in this third paragraph.
Okay. So it says meh of the claims about EVs causing air pollution reference figures from emission and analytics, a private company. Founder Nick Bryden said that its meh show that particulate emissions can be 1,850 times more than those from modern car exhausts, which should become cleaner because of regulations.
But the headline finding needs some context. The tests have not been peer reviewed by scientists, and the industry disputes the findings. That doesn’t mean anything. What they just said doesn’t mean anything. Just because they haven’t been peer reviewed and that the industry disputes it, that doesn’t mean that it’s not true.
This was the 3rd article I got to ram said that, there’s less ram, because of regenerative braking.
Right. What we just talked about. But regenerative braking, again, I don’t think is in all electric cars. I know it’s standard on Teslas. Crucially, all cars produce those pollutants. That’s true. Not just electric version. That’s true. But that’s not true. What they’re they’re saying is not true either because these heavier cars produce more.
That’s just what they’re saying. Measuring tiny particle particulates is very difficult. There are relatively few comparative studies so far. That means there’s still uncertainty over whether the extra weight of EV batteries will result in worse particulate pollution, but it makes sense. It’s logical.
So if they’re showing this, if he’s done a study and it’s showing this in a study, this is a logical conclusion.
Is that an electric Range Rover?
Yeah. I don’t even know that they existed. Was that a new thing?
I don’t know. I’m just I was
just looking ai the wrong one before.
There’s a lot now. It says, calculate that EVs are 400 kilograms heavier on average because of the bulky batteries. Yeah. Sai just because it hasn’t been peer reviewed doesn’t mean it’s true. And the reason why they’re saying this is because they’re they’re trying to put it into context.
Like, yes, electric vehicles are generally better for the ai, particularly if you have regenerative braking, but there’s also an added element. And what the solution might be is to make carbon fiber bryden standard. It’s carbon ceramic brakes standard that you need them just like you need catalytic converters.
It would be more expensive though.
that. Yeah. So most brakes have steel rotors. You know, steel, steel hits this carbon and it just releases more brake dust or steel hits the, the pads, releases more brake dust.
I’ve got a hybrid Ram 4. I love it.
Yeah. Well, those are really good on gas.
I mean, something that’s good on gas is gonna be better for sure. Something that’s bad on gas is gonna burn more. But the the bottom line is there’s there’s problems with
all technologies in terms of, whether
or not they go into a whether or not they go into a landfill. Like, this is a giant problem with windmills. Windmills aren’t efficient. They’re gross looking. They pollute the landscape in terms of the way it looks. You just see these fucking windmills everywhere, and those things have to go in the landfill.
So you have these enormous fiberglass propellers that now have to be buried in the ground.
And Billy Bob goes on a good rant about the
remember what it was though. He rips them apart.
Yeah. They’re not effective. They’re not they’re not good enough for what they do to the environment. You know, they they kill whales. That’s the other thing. You know, Trump talked about that too. That these things when they set these things up, you know, near the ocean, ai, the sound is fucking with these whales.
Yeah. It’s it’s not good. It’s not the way to go. Maybe solar’s better, but, you know, if you have, like, enormous areas of land that are covered in solar panels, that looks gross too.
But if we could just have, like, one designated area in the center of the ai, take, you know, a state and fucking make that state just a battery. Maybe that would work. Ai. Yeah. Maybe LA. Maybe when LA burns to the ground, like, look, it’s already toxic. Let’s just turn the power into a battery.
How are they gonna rebuild if ai, like, yeah, there’s nothing we can do if this happens again?
Well, it’s also the fire insurance problem that a lot of, insurance companies pulled their fire coverage because they’re ai, look, nothing’s being done to stop these fires. We know the fires are coming. We’re gonna lose all of our money. We’re just gonna pull out. Yeah. And they did that.
And so now a lot of these people that lost their homes were not insured. So now they’re really fucked. And then you got Gavin Newsom on TV talking about speculators coming, land speculators, doing his little fucking dance. And they’re like, what is what are you guys doing over there? Yeah. This is it’s horrible. This is horrible. And, what what solutions are on the table?
Ai, I’ll tell you, it’s not not as simple as don’t drill for oil, you know, ai, goddamn it.
I don’t see the mayor making it through this.
She doesn’t seem like she should make it through. No. She was sai, like, some sort of a radical communist activist when she was younger too? I don’t know.
Yeah. But that clip of her in the airport, really?
Yeah. You know it? Not good? That’s Not responding at all? You Look shell shah?
And then smiling when she’s on TV. We’re gonna rebuild with a bunch of construction workers behind her.
didn’t see that. Look, we’re rebuilding. Right. Everything’s just smiling. We’re gonna re we’re gonna get to work. Like, you’re not gonna get to work. You’re not gonna get to work. You’re not gonna have these people are gonna have the money to rebuild. Where’s the money gonna come from?
Ram you gonna give them the money for those homes? You’re talking now about $300,000,000,000 worth of damage and counting. Right? Are you gonna you gonna shell out $300,000,000,000 to give those people their homes back? When someone has an $82,000,000 home, are you gonna give them that $82,000,000 rather than pay teachers more money?
In North Carolina, in the middle of Appalachia, you have people with cheaper homes than anywhere in LA. They’re not getting Right. Money back. There’s
No. They’re not. They’re not even getting attention anymore.
in line for fuel. They’re waiting in line for propane fuel so they don’t freeze to death.
Yeah. That’s crazy. Crazy. I was just down there over the holidays and saw my brother and I, we invested in a little the only thing I’ve ever invested in, like, that little Airbnb for, like, super cheap, and it’s just gone. But so Yeah.
Everything’s gone there. It’s it’s it was a crazy disaster. But, again, you could say that’s climate change. But what the problem with that statement is that the climate has never been static. There has never been a moment in human history where the climate was absolutely predictable to the degree every year. It’s just not the case. Climate varies.
It has always varied. The real question should be, how much of an impact are we having on it and how much of an impact are we having on pollution? The pollution, the particulate is that’s a real issue. That’s a real issue. And if other countries aren’t addressing that I read something, find out if this is true, that China right now is responsible for more pollutants in the atmosphere, more carbon in the atmosphere than all the other countries combined.
Wouldn’t doubt it at all. I wouldn’t doubt that.
They’re ai majority of the pollutants in the atmosphere are coming from there, and they’re not gonna change. So you switching to an electric car or you stop using a gas stove or you whatever you’re doing, it’s not gonna have an impact if c 02 is entirely what’s going on. And even if we got down to climate neutral, that doesn’t stop global warming.
It doesn’t stop a shift in the change that has always gone up and down throughout recorded history. When we do ice samples, when when they do core samples, and they go back 10, 15, 20000, 50000 years, there’s always been enormous shifts in the temperature. Half of North America was covered in a mile high sheet of ice up until 12000 years ago. So ai in some places, more than a mile.
So there’s always been shifts in the climate. Long before there was any industrial revolution, long before there was any gas powered cars, China emissions exceed all developed nations combined ai.
And they’re not gonna change. That they’re not gonna they’re not gonna shift that. That’s what they do.
Long term, I think China’s post poses the greatest potential threat still. Ai heard there was a you had a CIA ex CIA guy on who was talking about the 21 year plan for China that blew my mind. Because then when I was in graduate school, it was ai 80% of the other students were from China. And I’m not no one believes that.
Either there was multiple classes where I went in. I was the only non not just American student, non Chinese student. It’d be 15 people in the class. Yeah. When I showed my thesis film, I went in and the whole auditorium was Chinese and every other film that played that night was in Chinese. Wow.
So you’re ai and I tried to do a documentary on it and then I was kind of constant people didn’t like that. All I was doing is asking questions like, how did you end up coming straight from for ai? And it’s a societal there’s a a, you know, it what’s the word? The parents want to do it. There’s a social aspect.
It’s ai it’s viewed as something that you wanna do. And then there was the one child policy for a long ai, so they can afford to do it. But it’s it’s crazy.
Yeah. It’s we’re we’re in a very strange time of narratives and truth, where narratives to many people are more important than objective truth. And that’s never good for anybody. It’s never good for anybody to ignore the reality of what’s going on.
No. And I there’s a lot of I mean, Peterson and you talked about this a lot. The in the postmodernism. The effect of postmodernism. The fact that there’s an infinite variety of interpretations to stories, but it’s that doesn’t mean that there’s not everything’s not just a social construct, and it doesn’t mean that there’s not an ideal to strive for.
Yeah. And the the problem with people that talk about climate change is they never talk about China emissions. They talk meh America. They Trump wants to pull us out of the Paris Accord. They wanna do this. They wanna do that. Like, look look at what’s going on in the world.
Like, you’re not gonna stop China from producing more c 02 and more emissions than all the other developed nations combined, and you’re not even talking about it. If you really sana address the problem, it would be that. Mhmm. That’s the problem. That’s the biggest part of the problem. What’s the biggest offender? It’s Ai.
And they don’t talk about that at all because they don’t wanna be racist. So it’s like they just wanna concentrate on people that, you know, live in America.
And then and then criticizing the idea of drilling for oil.
Well, you said at the beginning of this conversation too, you were talking about, like, the potential for both sides. And we are in a strange time as well where we’re seeing, like, things coming from both sides that are very strange. There’s a rethinking of, like, Winston Churchill and everything.
What’s the rethinking of Winston Churchill?
When Tucker Carlson head on I’m forgetting the name of the historian. It doesn’t matter.
Marner Meh. Daryl Cooper.
Daryl Cooper. Yeah. I think people ask me sometimes after all this video stuff. They’re ai, what’s the what would you recommend reading and studying for critical thinking? And I think Winston Churchill is the ultimate example of critical thinking. Mhmm. Real thinking is all about, like, the the thinking for yourself for the long term when everyone around you is telling you that you’re wrong when the stakes are at at their highest is what he was dealing with.
And it’s such a fascinating ai, World War 2. I just think there’s so much you could just study that conflict and gain so much insight.
One thing that, my friend Chris DeStefano brought up on the podcast, that blew me away was Operation Unthinkable.
I haven’t heard that one.
That was a proposal from Winston Churchill at the end of World War 2 to go to war with Russia. The the Soviet Union was getting too big and powerful, and they would take the Nazis that they had they’d take the German soldiers and then go invade Russia.
I haven’t heard that. It wouldn’t surprise me. He was he did not like Stalin. He because with Roosevelt, they they got buddy buddy. There’s some my whole thesis was on this the untold story of Churchill’s role with Harvard. Harvard’s role. The president of Harvard meeting with Churchill secretly when the blitz was going on sana Roosevelt was up for reelection, couldn’t travel over there to meet with him because and this echoes to today, exactly what we’re talking about.
98% of the public were against involvement in World War 2. That’s why they called it the European conflict. It’s not we it’s not our fight. And he knew it was inevitable, and he couldn’t be seen talking to Churchill in that way because they were publicly, they were like, nope. Lend lease program.
We’re not assisting. Ai, if you watch Darkest Hour, they do a good job of showing the extremes. They’re like, we can send horses to pull the weapons across the border, but we can’t be seen. So he sent the president of Harvard of all places. This is where the Secret Scholar Society came from. It’s the story. And I found it in the Harvard archive when I was researching for my thesis film.
Yeah. And I was blown away. Like, how is no one? And it taps into Oppenheimer. So James b Conant, that guy on the left, that’s the president of Harvard. This is afterwards. Churchill comes for an honorary degree after everything’s won everything. Conant on the left ai over there, meets with him. They make a secret deal.
They have all this research. They have they’re ready to do radar. It’s developed, but they can’t build it. They’re cut off from the world. All of Europe has fallen except England. They stand saloni. Their darkest hour, and he is desperate. He’s just trying to hold out until America will join.
Imagine being in that position. Everyone around you is saying, we have got to surrender. We have got to negotiate. And he’s like, no. He’s like, no.
Only when the last of us are choking in their own blood. He’s like, we have to fight to the death. That’s not logical, but it’s what saved them. When does a logical behavior save you? That’s something that connects to the very fabric of reality that goes beyond what we can articulate.
Connects ai spirituality. Ai does, like, living as though God existed, saves them in a way? Mhmm. So he negotiates with Conant, and they bring that tech back, develop a secret lab at Harvard to build it all. That’s where Sana came ram, napalm. There was a special the Harvard candle was named after Harvard. It’s a remarkable story that it’s so deep. I could talk about it really.
You know what I found out last night? My friend Kurt Metzger told me this. We were talking about the Elon gaffe, where he’s ai, my heart goes out to you. Like, hey, don’t do that, though.
That’s the perfect example of when you see a story ai you believe it’s true. If you believe he’s, a Nazi Right. You’re gonna see him do a silly hand gesture and see that as that.
Well, he’s saying my heart goes out to you. But that is how the Nazis did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he this is the thing.
what I found out last night. That’s also how they used to do the pledge of allegiance.
The pledge of allegiance used to be done like this until the Nazis came saloni, and then we switched it to this, your hand over your heart. So we cut out that part.
There’s gonna be a screen grab if you do.
Well, there’s already sai screen grab. This is what’s funny. CNN, during the the COVID times in particular, whenever I get in trouble, the photo they would use of me was me at the UFC weigh ins. So when I do the weigh ins, I announce the weigh ins. I say, welcome to the weigh ins, everybody. I’m waving to the crowd. That’s what they did.
So they would use this photo of me Sai to try to make it look like I was some sort of a Nazi.
Because I’m waving to the crowd, and they take a freeze frame of it. Like, welcome to the Waynes, everybody. I’m Sai put my hands out to the crowd. I’m saying hi to everybody. I’m a I’ll show you this, Jamie. You probably could find it if you look for it, but I’m gonna show you what it looked like in the old days when
I’m looking at it. I was trying to find a different different explanation. If I have a picture of it, that’s why I was just taking for better versions.
Well, yeah. That’s it. That’s how they did the pledge of allegiance.
That’s in 1942. Yep. So this is, you know, and then we ai, oh, we can’t do that anymore. That’s how the Nazis do it.
It’s right around that time.
Pledge of Allegiance would be your right hand up in the
How crazy is that? Well, we
were in India. We were just getting into World War 2, so we didn’t have the the views of Hitler embodied in it.
Now you’re not allowed to do that anymore.
I know that one. That’s true. But it it’s
ai they’re so funny because because of this, there’s all these photos of AOC with her arm out like this and Michelle Obama. It’s like everybody’s a Nazi. It’s so dumb.
You can go look at anybody and find that at
some point. If you move your arms at all, you try to catch a ball. You know, anything you’re doing with your arms up in the air, now you’re a Sai. Like, oh meh god. How about that, that Hindu guy that shah kept his arm up in the air for, like, 60 years?
You know that one? Not familiar.
Never seen that? We talked about him the other day. Who brought him up? You you Jimmy Jamie brought him up. So there’s this guy who has not put his arm down and, like, some insane amount. His arm is, like, shriveled. It’s useless. Wow. It is a devotion to Lord Shiva. So he is his, to, like, to show his devotion, he decided I’m gonna keep my arm up forever.
And now his arm’s frozen in place. And now he’s like a really old man. That’s what he looks like.
He has a useless right arm now. Look, look at his fingers are all twisted up and fucked up. His nails are all fucked up. His his right arm is essentially completely useless. It just stays like that. It doesn’t move anymore. Power of stories. Nuts. Yeah.
1973, ai to raise his right arm 90 degrees to the air. His fingers have withered to the palm of his hand. His knuckles are white with rot, and his nails have grown long and twisted. Well, he’s a Nazi.
Oh, I didn’t make that connection. I was like, why?
That guy’s doing a Nazi salute forever. Ai hear you.
That’s how about that. Ai me think about that.
That’s how dedicated he is to be the Nazi. He’s connected. He won’t even put the hand down. He’s all in all in forever till he dies. They’re gonna have to get him in a super long coffin.
How’s Elon handling this whole he probably like, what the fuck?
Yeah. He was definitely what the fuck, and he was happy that the ADL of all people Yeah. Defended him.
Yeah. Well, it’s obvious. Ai, any but but all these people on Twitter are just chiming in saying it’s clearly a Nazi salute. He’s doing a Nazi salute. Yeah. No. No.
It’s crate the whole thing’s crazy, but that’s a sign of the tyler, and they couldn’t help it. They saw a thing, and they’re ai, this is we’re gonna run with it. He’s clearly showing he’s a Sai, you know, that Trump’s in office and he’s a Nazi and this is fascism is real, folks. Here it is.
This my heart goes out to you. It’s just weird. It’s illogical and weird, but it’s a sign of this thing that is a real problem in today where people will pretend something is something other than what it is if it suits their narrative.
Yeah. The power story. That it that really truly is a great example of the power of story. Because the story that everyone’s afraid of is that this right wing dictator has gotten into power, and he’s brought with him this billionaire oligarch who happens to be one of the richest men, if not the richest person on the planet Earth.
And this guy is secretly a Nazi.
Yeah. And he’s been hiding
it all these days until Trump got ai
a great movie. Let’s go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. It’d make a great movie.
Yeah. It’s Well, it’s it’s fascinating, but it also what it does is it opens the door for people like yourself. It opens the door for reasonable, logical people who can talk about things in, an objective critical way and just, like, analyze. Well, what is this? Why do we think this? What is the cause of this? And that’s really how you got on the map by just being a voice of reason.
And in a time where there’s very little reason, anybody that steps up that sai meh you know, and says something that makes people resonate it resonates with people to point where, like, meh, more of this ai, more people like that. Like, I like how this guy thinks. I like how this guy talks.
out of it. Surreal. I don’t know. I don’t think about it. Ai try not to
Well, you shouldn’t think about it.
about it. Well, then you get audience capture.
And you freeze too. Mhmm. It’s like he’s like you’re acting. He’s like, you can’t you think about, like, oh, a 100000 people might see what I’m gonna then you just can’t talk.
That’s probably why Christopher Nolan doesn’t have a phone. You know? Right. Same kind of thing. Ai to make the kind of films
Have you reached out to him?
Ram I in mind? No. I haven’t. Don’t even know if he does any interviews. I don’t know.
love to have him on, though. I’m a huge fan of his work. I think he’s brilliant. Yeah. Obviously. He’s not just brilliant, like, amazing, like, unusual. Yeah. Uniquely brilliant.
He’s got this mathematical ai. Mhmm. And he approaches story in that way.
So did Kubrick. There’s A lot of parallels there. Right?
Yeah. Kubrick in his spare time would do complex math.
I wish. Yeah. That’s crazy.
Yeah. So his films were all, like, Kubrick’s films all had, like, encoded things in
there. Yeah. Heard you talking to Tarantino or somebody about The Lost cut
of Eyes Wide is that Eyes Wide Shut. Yeah. It was Roger Avery.
Roger Avery and Tarantino. And so Roger Avery was discussing how there was supposed to be a narrator through Eyes Wide Shut, and they changed that. And after he ai, when Kubrick died before they they they made a different cut of the film, And he firmly believes that it should be, like, recut, and it should be done with a narrator.
And in AI, you could actually probably do Kubrick narrating it if you wanted to. You know? You could get samples of his voice, and he could narrate it.
But that would, you know, you you would also, like, how would you know how he would cut it? You’d kinda be fucking around. But, apparently, there’s many scenes that never made it into it that Kubrick wanted in, and then in the final cut, they changed. Yeah. The Shining is filled with them.
It’s filled with, like there’s all the all the moon landing conspiracies have all, clung clung onto it. Because the the room number, that’s, like, the haunted room is, Ai think it’s 237. Is that the room? Whatever the number is is the amount of miles in in 100 of 1000 between Earth and the moon.
The the little boy, when he’s in the hallway, is wearing the Apollo 11, t shirt. He’s got a a sweater that has the Apollo rocket on it. There’s, like, all sorts of weird shit that these people cling to that ai weird subtext. Oh, it’s fascinating. There’s a whole documentary on it. The subtext behind The Shining.
The Shining is a fucking incredible movie, which ai the way, which is really interesting. Stephen King didn’t even like. He didn’t like that movie, which is so crazy because it was different than his novel. So in his novel, the Jack Nicholson character I forgot the name. And the Jack Nicholson character starts off normal and becomes crazier and crazier.
And what he didn’t like is that Jack Nicholson is pretty on tilt right away and seems off from the very beginning and then just descent into madness accelerates very quickly.
That’s ai I was talking about. Like, there’s different ways to tell this that same story. You can feel it when it kinda clicks in, but which is right. The audience doesn’t lie.
And then Stephen King did his own version of The Shining as a television miniseries.
Yeah. But it wasn’t it wasn’t very good. It wasn’t effective. There
There was something about it. It just didn’t work the same way.
That elusive Yeah. Intangible thing that can’t be bought, can’t be replicated. Everyone’s after it. Yeah. No one can articulate it. Yeah. What makes a good actor? Like, why was he thought you’re a good actor? Right. And that’s another great example of, like, why those boats are superfluous to the everything else. Mhmm.
Yeah. It’s, all about telling the story. Right? And some people what’s going on?
His assist Kubrick’s assistant says in an interview in 2013, like, a year after the movie came out, that Kubrick would have agreed that 70 to 80% of that movie was pure gibberish, because he wouldn’t be doing stuff like that.
Which movie? I ai want to
Room 237. The one about the
Oh, that that was The Shining
Oh, okay. But behind it. Even 80% is too pure gibberish. What ai that mean? That means 20% is legit?
Just I mean, he wouldn’t it’s just that I hear he wouldn’t tell an audience what to think or how to think. And if they came out thinking something different than him, that’s fine.
It’s hard to sai, though, because someone’s saying that that is their personal assistant. They’re not speaking for a Q Brit.
Stephen King said the same thing. When he saw it, he said he had to turn it off because it was bullshit.
No. No. No. Room 237. The documentary.
Ai. But Stephen King also didn’t like The Shining. You know, these are, like, people’s personal opinions on things. It doesn’t mean it’s not true. And it’s also, like, Kubrick in many of his films did have, like, hidden subtext and a lot he was a fascinating ai, like, all like, 2,001.
2,001 is a fascinating move. You miss a lot of it when you you have to, like, rewatch it over and over again to get what he was trying to say. Like, what what was he doing in that film? Like, what was he there’s many, many layers to his films that I I you know, he had his own way of doing it.
He might not have done it mathematically with the score the way Christopher Nolan did,
but there was something too. I shouldn’t even say that word though because it’s it’s it’s just patterns. Mhmm. Still using patterns. Mathematics is just a language that allows us to articulate the
That said, what Stephen King said and what Kubrick’s assistant said also rings true because people try to find patterns in everything, even patterns that don’t exist. Speak. True. They always try to find Yeah. Conspiracies that don’t exist and patterns that don’t exist. There’s ai a natural inclination that people have to, like, uncover secrets.
Like, what’s the secret behind this? What is he really saying?
Yeah. What’s he really doing?
Are you still gonna make films? Are you more committed to is it ai do you feel like this thing that you’re doing what is your secret scholar what is your YouTube page?
Secret Scholar Society is is the YouTube channel.
Why did you decide to call it that?
That story I was telling you.
from that. Yeah. There was,
Right before the viral video, I was working on a short film. It’s there’s a little experimental I shouldn’t call it a short film. It was me with a camera and that music teacher in, like, a month. We threw this thing together. It’s not a movie. So people love love to because, like, where’s the last movie?
It’s, like, it’s, like, dude, it’s not that’s not don’t hold that to the standard of, like, the other ones you can hold to standard of a movie, but that one was just an meh, like, be me by myself. I would love to keep doing that. Right now, it’s about putting food on the table and fighting for the algorithm and keeping the algorithm on my sai, which is
because you’re unemployed. Right. And Yeah.
There’s potential to teach, but I’m making more doing what I’m doing.
Yeah. And you’re teaching by doing that too. You are.
can ai. Do look at it that way because any kind of really intelligent discourse meh get to watch it and observe people talking about things, and you’ve done a lot of really good stuff where you’re breaking down interviews and breaking down, congressional testimonies and things like that, and the way people are reacting to things and how people are laying stuff out.
The all that stuff is very educational. And if for young people, in particular, maybe people that found you through those initial videos, then they’ll be able to see how you sort of break down all of these interactions, and they’ll be able to sort of think that way themselves.
Like, oh, why does a person say things that way? What are they trying to do? What, why are they appealing to authority? Why why why is it important to recognize that this is a pattern to shut down criticism? And then why is it that this is not this is not necessarily the truth?
Yeah. The art of critical thinking. Yeah. I was kinda thinking, like, Sherlock Holmes was my as a kid, my favorite fictional character. Mhmm. And I think it appealed. He was really the first kind of superhero serial monthly episodes, Strand Magazine. Sure. And he has no superpowers, just his ai. Mhmm.
Which makes us feel ai Sai could do that if Ai could just see the world like him. Meh has nothing I don’t have technically.
And he does it. We’re presented the same information. It’s just what he does with that information. It makes you feel like you have a potential for that power within you. You just gotta know how to unlock it. So I was ai playing with, like, the art of that’s ai the the the slogan on the channel is the art of critical thinking.
It was his was the science of deduction. But
Yeah. It is an art too though. Because when someone does it really well, it’s kinda beautiful. Critical thinking, when you watch, like, a a conversation between 2 people and they break the there’s a there’s an igniting of your your mind that is kinda beautiful. It’s artistic.
Hopefully hopefully, you can sometimes get there. You know? No. I think I think
you do get there. You get there for sure. You’ve gotten there with me. I think, there’s a lot of people that do vatsal, and it’s that that kind of critical thinking. People, they gravitate towards it because there’s not a lot of it in the world. And especially if you live in if you exist day to day in a corporate culture where you’re sort of locked in to whatever ideology your company is and you’re trying to make your way up the company ladder.
So there’s ai office politics and there’s a, you know, certain sort of mentality and narrative that’s been distributed through the company and you’re connected to it. Like, you’re very suppressed and your thinking is very boxed in and, you know, you’re forced to put those blinders on that we talked about earlier.
You you have to put those on if you wanna move in the company. If you wanna exit like, if you’re in an environment that requires you to behave and think a certain way in order to succeed, well, you wanna succeed. So what what are the rules of this game I’m playing? Okay. You know, if you’re playing poker, you’re do you have rules? Ai?
If you’re playing chess, you have rules. And you can’t succeed without following the rules, and that’s the case in everything. But ai, in society, when you exist in a corporate environment or any kind of especially in educational ai. Right? If you exist in academic environment, it’s very clear rules.
And if you do not follow those rules, you will not succeed. If you go against the people that are in charge, you’re gonna like, what happened with you? You’re gonna get fired. You’re gonna get removed. You have to follow the rules if you want to succeed.
And people feel very suppressed by that because they know that these rules aren’t necessarily just. They’re not necessarily accurate. They’re not objective. They’re not reasonable. They’re not logical.
They’re just the rules. People hate the rules when they’re just the rules. That makes them
Yeah. Especially young people, man.
Yeah. And they can sniff that out so fast.
And now there’s examples of the rules being bullshit. You know, now because of your show and a bunch of your Bryden Peterson, a bunch of different things that are available now for young people to consume, They can ai, like, no. These people that are making these rules are idiots. They’re assholes, and they might be intelligent. They might have a good education.
They might have a lot of information that they can, like, spit out that makes them seem logical. But they’re not looking at things correctly. They’re they’re captured by a narrative.
Yeah. Ai reading Elon’s books, ai, on the air the airplane, that he had that algorithm. It’s it’s essentially if there’s a regulation, if there’s a rule, figure out who’s requiring that rule, question it. Ai forget the other ones, but it’s Yeah. Making it all more efficient. It all stems from just questioning everything. Mhmm.
That’s what’s gonna be really interesting about him becoming a part of the Department of Government Efficiency. Mhmm. Like, because it when if he’s gonna apply that to the Ai, because when if he’s gonna apply that to the most inefficient
I bet he will because he would it says right? It’s like he would go around preaching this algorithm. Mhmm. And he genuinely believed it, and it makes logical sense. There’s a logical flow to him in his decision making that’s laid out in that biography.
Yeah. But you’re also going against a culture that has operated with impunity for so long and has grown exponentially. Like, there’s more government agencies than there have been years of the government, which is that’s crazy. They just keep making new government agencies, and the way to combat that, make another one. Make another government agency that corrects all the government agencies’ inefficiencies. Yeah.
It’s gonna be to me, the the the Department of Government Efficiency and then Make America Healthy Again movement, those are the 2 most fascinating things that are going on simultaneously with the Trump administration. Because I’m so curious because there’s so many hurdles with whatever Bobby Kennedy is gonna have to jump through to make real change, and you’re seeing the response to that, ai, red dye number 3 getting pulled by the Biden administration.
Like, hey, motherfuckers. You could have done that a long time ago. You knew that stuff shouldn’t have been in food. It’s not in food in Canada. You knew that shouldn’t have been in food. You waited until right before Bobby Kennedy got in where you know he’s gonna make it outlawed.
You know he’s gonna get rid of all that, and you see the resistance to it. You’re seeing this resistance to fluoride being removed from the drinking water. Everybody’s saying, oh, don’t we need fluoride for teeth? Like, brush your fucking teeth, bitch. Let’s not put neurotoxic chemicals in everybody’s water.
The way I describe it, I said it’s like people are dying of skin cancer. Let’s put sunscreen in the apples. Like, no. No. That put sunscreen on, motherfucker.
Or don’t. It’s probably bad for you too. There’s a lot of evidence that that that’s not good for you. They’re really ai progressive sun exposure is the way to do it. And the real problem is that when no one gets sun exposure and then you get too much all at once, and that’s how you get sunburn.
Yeah. It’ll be interesting to see what he does with education.
We need Yeah. That’s one thing I miss. I do miss teaching. I miss being in the classroom like that with those kids.
Well, I think you should definitely do more of that, but I’m really happy you’re doing what what you’re doing. Thank you. Because, ai I said, when I saw you, I was like, oh, is this young intelligent guy super reasonable and
I look younger than I am. How old are you? 37. You’re still young.
I’m 57. I’m old. I’m all allowed to call you’re you’re just a kid. I wish. But, you know, it’s ai it’s an important service. It really is. And we need and there’s more people like that now, in the public eye than I think has ever been because of YouTube, especially in terms of the impact.
Like, what’s the most watched video that you have? Like, how many views does it have?
Okay. Just imagine a lecture that reaches a 1000000 people. Why is that
a rapper? Peter was talking about this this Gutenberg revolution of YouTube. Yeah. And there’s only one other professor. Okay. You’ve got, like, Eric Weinstein and all the okay. Putting all of them aside, Sam Richardson, School of Communications is the only and he’s doing it. Every class is streamed ai, and the university is cool with it.
All the students are cool
And there’s, like, 200 students in the auditorium. They come up on stage, and he’s applying critical to he challenged them on the CEO of Papa John’s concept where he got fired for saying the n word with the context of that’s not a good thing to say. It was just and Right. It’s really interesting to sai. And he his office hours I got to join him for his office hours and was ai streamed.
There’s that’s just using this technology in such a remarkable way. There’s so much potential for that in schools and education. But everyone’s so afraid because they don’t sana put themselves out there. That school was terrified that their name would get out there. They’re they’re so used to going through life without any ability for the public to see what’s going on because no one would care. First of all, no one cares.
And then suddenly there’s the potential and it changes your world. And the question is, look, if you’re that scared of transparency, you’re probably doing something wrong. Like Right. It’s not just what you do, but how you do it. Right.
And you should never be scared of discussions. Yeah. Especially if you’re an educational institution. You should never be scared of discussions. Like, it’s one of the most
There’s this technology is incredible. Yeah.
Yeah. It’s it’s nuts, and it never existed before. And there’s a lot of resistance because there’s been gatekeepers to information that have existed for the longest time, and it made the distribution of propaganda much more easy. Yeah. Much much easier and much more effective.
And now that doesn’t work anymore because these things, like this, is bigger than all those things.
Why? Because it’s not full of shit. It’s that simple. Right. Interesting conversations from people that aren’t full of shit. Yeah. Turns out that’s what people actually want. They just been dumped on with nonsense for so long that people have got accustomed to thinking, no. That’s that’s what you’re supposed to get.
You’re supposed to get, you know, late late night talk show host version of what’s happening in politics. That’s shah you’re supposed to get.
You need people with integrity. And so I would I would say thank you for having the integrity to how many people when presented with Kamala Harris or Kamala Harris to do that interview to be ai, no. We’re gonna do it for real. If we’re gonna do I’ll do it. Yeah. It’s like there’s just so many other people would have just compromised.
I thought about it. I thought about I’m just sitting around ai, how do I do
this? Sure. That’s just tough.
I didn’t know There’s a there’s a concept in jujitsu that the Gracies, came up with about cooking someone. And the idea is, like, someone can spaz out in the beginning. They could be real strong and pull out of submissions, but, eventually, I’m gonna cook them. Eventually, I’m gonna keep hitting my moves till I’m gonna get to a dominant position. They’re gonna get tired, and I’m gonna cook them, and then I’m gonna submit them.
And you need time to do that. If you had a if Royce Gracie had a jujitsu match with sai giant bodybuilder and the match is only 10 seconds long, he might not be able to get the guy in 10 seconds. He doesn’t have enough time. But if you give Royce Gracie an hour, that guy’s gonna get cooked. Right.
And the thing about a conversation, like, with the Kamala Harris thing was, like Sai genuinely just wanted to talk to her. I thought I could like have a real conversation. I’ve seen her be really funny. This is like really funny video of her meeting her, her, mother-in-law and father-in-law for the first time and that the woman grabs her face. She’s, oh, look at you.
It’s ai Doug Emhoff’s mom grabs her face. You beaut like, it was really funny. Like, she’s laughing hard, but she’s laughing like it’s authentic. It’s a really fun see if you can find it. It’s very funny. And I was like, that person’s in there. Uh-huh.
And that person is dealing with incredible pressure of being in front of millions of people. They’re all scrutinizing every word she says, and that pressure causes people to bumble their words and say things in cycles because they’re trying to dismount. They don’t know how to. Maybe they’re not the best public speak.
Maybe not the most articulate at forming sentences, but they have good ai, and you gotta get those people comfortable. You gotta find out what what what is in there. And so my thought was, like, there’s a few things they didn’t sana talk about. They initially didn’t wanna talk about Internet censorship, but then they changed their mind and did wanna talk about it, which I thought was interesting.
Like, they’d maybe they had a solution. They said if he throws this hatchet, you’re gonna say this. Like, okay. We got it. Mhmm. Okay.
Let’s talk about tell him we wanna talk about Internet censorship. They didn’t wanna talk about the legalization of marijuana, but that was probably because of her prosecute prosecutor vatsal record. You know, she prosecuted a lot of people for marijuana crimes. So I was ai, okay. We don’t have to talk about those things.
I I’ll talk about whatever you wanna talk about. I don’t care. I just wanna get to you. And you give me 3 hours, I’ll find out who you are. We could talk about nature. We could talk about the environment. We could talk about space. We could talk about, do you believe in reincarnation?
Like, I sana I’ll get to who you are. I wanna get to who you are. I gotta cook you.
So why wouldn’t shah do that?
Because she didn’t wanna get cooked. Because it’s scary. Because you could fucking bumble it. You could fuck up. You know? Or you could be Trump where he comes in. He doesn’t give a fuck. There’s no discussion whatsoever about topics. He’ll talk about anything and just talk. And that guy would talk for 3 fucking hours.
No problem at all. Had no problems. Didn’t ask to edit it. She they wanted to know whether they had editing control. They wanted to be able to edit things out, like, if she did Bumble, which is Trump’s big lawsuit with, CBS because of 60 Minutes.
Because they edited her answers that made her seem like she had a more intelligent answer, which is essentially election interference. Debate? Yeah. No. An interview.
So there’s a Kamala Harris interview, and, Trump sued, and there’s a lawsuit that’s still going on right now. It is CBS. Correct?
It’s What were his ground? What
Because they changed her answer. So someone fucked up and released, like, a a teaser of the conversation. And in the teaser, she was bumbling and fumbling to answer this question. And in the actual show on CBS, they had edited that and put in a completely different answer to something else as the answer to this question that seemed more logical and made more sense.
It was much more succinct and short. And he was saying, like, you fucking idiots. Like, you did this. You released it on video on the Internet first, and then you had a different version on CBS. Do you think people don’t remember something that was just released, like, 2 days ago
As ai a preview to this thing? But in between the time that the video his this is Trump’s argument. In between the time the video was released on the Internet and the response that it got, all the negativity and all the criticism that it got and all the meh the backlash to how she responded to that question, they edited it and changed the response.
And so he’s suing. And he’s got a point.
a real point because you shouldn’t allow them to edit it and make it look like it was better than it really was. If this is I mean, this is not just a conversation where someone fucked up about they made a flub and they said, oh, can you take that out? No. This is ai a response to, like, critical policy issues that are gonna affect the entire country if you run into president.
Like, do you if you become president, do you know how to address the situation? Do you have a plan? Do you do you know what this problem is, and do you have an actual solution? And if you don’t and if you’re ai bumbling around your words, people should be able to see that because that’s one of the things that we’re deciding this election on.
So for someone like her that’s had those kind of experiences where she said the wrong thing and done the and it said things like, god, I wish I had a chance to reconsider that. I would have said it differently. Because you just that thing that you say, even if it’s under a high pressure situation like an interview on CBS, that high pressure situation that caused you to fumble, now people are gonna say that is your opinion, period.
This is your perspective, period. Where ai, if she had time to consider that question and come up with a logical answer and then, like, rehearse that logical answer and been ready, she might have done a much better job. So that’s the fear of not having any power over editing because in a 3 hour conversation, you can’t really prepare.
they did think they had a preparation. The only thing that makes sense to me is why they would just change their tune on Internet censorship that they wanted to talk about that. They must have had some sort of logical reason why a certain amount of censorship is important because you wanna protect against misinformation, disinformation, and hate speech.
And so this was something that, Tim Walz was saying, openly when he was on the campaign trail is that free speech does not include hate speech, but it does.
How do you define hate speech?
Exactly. Exactly. Because your definition of hate speech might just be misgendering Caitlyn Jenner. That might be hate speak. You know? So if you’re talking about Bruce Jenner winning the decathlon, what are we saying? If you can’t say Bruce Jenner because if if you, you know, if you wanna look at the reality of this biological male who wins the Olympics as a male and then transitions to becoming a woman, if you’re telling me that I can no longer discuss the fact that this was a biological male with a different name and it’s hate speech, Well, you’ve essentially put the handcuffs on reality.
Church the the quote my favorite Churchill quote, democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others. And I use that if anyone if anyone tries to get into the free speech debate, I do think the approach that Elon is using on next short of the law, freedom of speech short of the law, we already have that objective line Yeah.
Framework. We know when it’s crossed. That’s what the law is there for. We don’t need any other subjective interpretations. Yeah. What is hate speak? All what’s happening in England.
It doesn’t mean that there’s not potential for someone to misuse it. Oh. Same way, democracy is going to end in inequality in certain areas. You’re gonna have inequality no matter what we do because there’s gonna be in capitalism. Capitalism is the worst economic approach except every other one. Right. There’s problems to it.
People love when they debate you. They point out these little flaws. Well, here’s an anecdote of how hate speech was used. Here’s a potential of course, there’s gonna be potential flaws. This doesn’t Right. Mean you have a better alternative. What is your alternative solution?
Exactly. Exactly. Well, listen, man. I really enjoyed talking to you. I really enjoy what you’re doing. I appreciate you, and, thank you for being here. Tell everybody again, it’s Secret Scholar Society.
Yeah. Warren Smith, dash Secret Scholar Society.
On YouTube. On YouTube. And, are you that’s the only thing you’re using currently?
I’m on x. It’s wtsmith 17 for some reason.
Secret Scholars is the, handle on, YouTube. And on, Patreon, you have a Secret Scholars thing?
Oh, that’s like yeah. If you go to Patreon, you can watch behind the scenes.
Oh, Blue Studios. Perfect.
Love Patreon. I love what they do. Thank you very much.
Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. It was awesome. Thank you. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.