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#2254 – Mel Gibson Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion revolves around several key themes, including the complexity of modern civilization, the potential for societal collapse, and the role of artificial intelligence (AI) in our lives. The conversation touches on the COVID-19 crisis, comparing its impact to other significant historical events, and explores how narratives with heroes and villains shape our understanding of history.
A significant portion of the discussion is dedicated to the idea of juxtaposition in storytelling, emphasizing how different elements of a story can be correlated to provide a broader understanding of the bigger picture. This theme is linked to the importance of understanding history and its implications for the present and future.
The speakers also delve into the challenges of communication, particularly with indigenous peoples, and how language barriers can lead to misunderstandings and fears. This is tied to a broader reflection on the fears and primal instincts that drive human behavior, especially in the face of environmental and societal threats.
Actionable insights from the episode include the importance of reflecting on one’s life and actions, especially as one progresses through different stages of life. The discussion suggests that how we live now can influence what comes next, hinting at a need for mindfulness and consideration of future consequences.
Overall, the episode presents a contemplative view on the state of the world, urging listeners to consider the factors that contribute to societal stability and the potential for collapse, while also reflecting on personal growth and the impact of AI on human life.
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#2254 – Mel Gibson Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. We’re rolling. What’s crackin’?
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Oh, man. My back just now. It’s just oh, this chair is fantastic.
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What is going on with your back? You you’ve you have, like, you’ve had back issues in the past. Right? We talked about that the last time you came on.
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Well, I was born scoliotic. You know? Yeah. So it’s ai I bought just I just bought my own pen along so I could click the shah. Here, take all ai away from it. You remember.
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You remember clicking on the pen? Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. I’m I’m a fidget, you know, so I, let me take everything off. So it’s it’s not good. Oh, yeah. Born born slightly scoliotic and then, of course, I banged myself up over the years, you know.
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Of course. What can you what when the do they do anything other than surgery for people with scoliosis?
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They do because I don’t wanna do surgery. Once you start opening stuff up and fooling with it Yep. There’s no going back.
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Especially the back. Yeah. Back’s a rough Ai never met anybody that had, like, fusions or anything where it turned out good.
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No. And ai Hippocrates, you know, the father of medicine, he said, in any ailment, look first to the spine. And it was ai, he’s kinda right. It emanates from the from the core.
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Well, if your back is fucked up, everything’s fucked up.
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Yeah. You know, no
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matter how strong your arms and legs are, if your back is fucked up, you’re you’re in trouble.
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Yeah. That’s true. Your bryden. Everything. Everything goes to hell. Yeah.
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But you’re in pain all the time. Yeah. People with back problems, like, they can’t think straight because you’re always, like, you know, it’s always There’s
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a gift to not thinking straight.
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Tell me tyler me more. I wanna know.
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Well, it actually takes you down some pretty weird paths, you know. If you’re happy all the ai, I don’t know, you don’t have you you don’t have to strive to find thoughts to make yourself happy. Right. So it’s like, it’s a good it’s a good, it’s a good predisposition, I think.
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I agree to that. Yeah. I think being happy all the time is, it’s kind of an unlikely scenario.
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No. Nobody is. Yeah. No. But we all want it. You notice we all yearn for it. There’s this that’s the only thing we all want. Right? Right. Just happiness, little peace.
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Well, it’s also we’re shown it, like, in, you know, television, movies, we’re we’re shown happiness as this goal, ai, seek happiness. Sure. Should be happy all the ai. Happy. Should never be upset. Yeah. Well It’s not realistic.
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It’s completely unrealistic. However, it’s nice to have those little journeys through art where you can actually explore those things. You can explore your ids. You can explore happiness, and, so you can experience the opposite. I look at situations around me, and I I generally feel pretty grateful, from what some people go through.
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I’m grateful. And everybody’s got their crap, you know. But, ai, this morning for example, I would be surprised if my home is still there.
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Yeah. We were just talking about that. The Palisades is on fire. Yeah. My friend Tom, Tom Segura, his house is gone. Meh. It’s where he used to live. He sold it luckily.
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Yeah. I have a sana. He’s in a sort of volunteer fire brigade, Milo. I call him the mayor of Malibu, and he’s running around. I asked him, how’s things looking there, Milo? He says, not good, Pops. He says, your neighborhood. And he sent me a a video of my neighborhood, and it’s in flames. It looks like an inferno. Yeah. Yeah.
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Do you
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think this will get you out of California finally? Yeah. Maybe. You know? Where are you gonna go?
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Oh, I don’t know. I got a place in Costa Rica. I love it. Oh.
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Yeah. Costa Rica is nice.
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Yeah. I bought there many years ago And it’s it’s, it’s in a real nice spot. It’s not too touristy or, you know, dirt roads. So it’s
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Oh, nice.
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Off the beaten.
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Does it feel safe out there?
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Pretty safe. I think look. It no place is safe. I mean, you got the Dauriang down there, you know. What’s that? It’s kind of in the, what’s the next country down? Panama.
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Mhmm.
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And you and and there’s this no man’s land where the Colombians come through and it’s ai, you know, all kinds of dirty dealings in the jungle with, you know, who knows, you know, drugs and mules and Yeah. You know. Yeah. So, you know, it can be dangerous and I’ve heard of danger happening there.
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You know, you hear about somebody getting chopped up by a machete, and Costa Rica is act it’s actually a cool place because it it never had a culture of death ai a lot of the Central American countries did. They have a culture of death, you know. Even Mexico, I mean, they used to, you know, tear people’s hearts out and peel their tits, all that sort of stuff.
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Yeah.
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Aztecs were like the Romans. The Mayans were like the Greeks, but they also have dabbled in some stuff. The Costa Rica always had a policy where they was like the Switzerland of Central America. They ai education and health and everybody’s literate and it’s it’s kind of interesting in that way, but it deals with its own little troubles. Yeah.
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Well Like every country, you know, Kazakhstan.
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Anywhere down in that part of the world Mhmm. Is just ai there’s so much sketchy shit going on all around you.
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Yeah. There can be. Yeah. Yeah. 1 has to, be forewarned, forearmed, all that, you know, so I have a nice place down there.
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Yeah. I have some friends that have a place in Meh. I’m always like, don’t you ever worry.
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Yeah. I worked in Mexico a couple of times. I was down there and it was it was in Veracruz. And apparently, you know, people were rolling heads into bars and stuff like that, you know, ai gangs and stuff, and they said, I’d go for a walk. You know? And they’d sai, you’re crazy going for a walk. You’ll get kidnapped. I said, I’m not gonna get kidnapped. I’m the guy that pays.
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You arya gonna get kidnapped ai I’m not gonna pay your vatsal. So it’s ai, I never felt insecure in that way. And, you know, if something’s gonna happen, it’s gonna happen. Yeah. You know, if your number’s up.
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I know I used to watch guys who do what I do for a living and they have a phalanx of bodyguards around them, you know, and, like, for security and stuff. But and I used to have that stuff for a little while, but, nah, doesn’t make any difference. You’re gonna be okay Okay. Or not.
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Or not. Right? Until you’re not. Till you’re not. And everybody’s gonna be okay until they’re not.
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Yeah. I got into a dodgy situation one ai, and I acted crazy. Yeah? Yeah. What happened? If you act crazy, everybody leaves you alone.
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Especially if you are a little crazy. You know? They know that.
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You’re in a stress mode, so you actually get angry. I if if I feel like I’m threatened, I get angry, which is what happens. And then you get really in people’s faces and ai think this guy’s crazy. But all the old cultures thought that, like, when there were people traveling across the great plains to go west, you know, if you acted nuts, they’d leave you alone because they didn’t want your evil spirits.
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Oh, so what happened with you?
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Nothing. They left me alone.
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But where was this?
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Oh, man. I was in a bad neighborhood. I, was it was when I first got into LA, and I was to go to dinner with Kosta Gavras. He was a Greek director. I, went the wrong way and it was before they had, you know, phones with, like Right. You know, all that stuff. So The Thomas Ai. It was the Thomas Ai. Anyway, I wasn’t guided well by Thomas. I ended up in the wrong place, and then my muffler fell off.
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And I was driving a Mercedes, you know, pretty nice sporty car, you know, and I thought, oh, and I had the wife in the car. I pulled into a side street. The sun was going down. And as I got out of the car, I thought, oh, I gotta fix this muffler. I can’t just drag it. People started coming from houses, and they came up to me and and, I saw them coming in the rearview mirror.
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And, I jumped out of the car and got in their face, and I said, what the fuck do you want? Because I thought I felt threatened. Right. And, and the guy said, man, I’m just looking for some money. You got any money? Sai I was being mugged.
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And it was ai I thought I’ll think about it when I’m fucking finished, like, you know. Ai I opened the trunk. And this is the weird part, Joe. I I will never quite understand this. I opened the trunk to see what I could find to help me put the muffler back on.
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And sitting there, the only two things in the back of the trunk was a pair of wire cutters and a coat hanger. It’s exactly what I needed and I don’t know why it was there. That’s weird, isn’t it?
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That’s very weird. So you use the coat hanger to wire up your muffler?
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Yep. I cut a piece of wire, wired the muffler up. The whole time, more guys are coming.
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Jesus Christ.
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Standing behind me and I’m feeling like, oh. And, anyway, I get up. I finished the muffler, slammed, and I’m acting mad and crazy the whole time. And I think this ai nuts. And I get back to the car, and my wife gives me a handful of cash. And I thought, what’s this? She sai, it’s just fives at once. Give it to her. So I threw it and drove off. But it was ai it was looking hairy for a minute.
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And you never know.
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What year was this?
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Oh my god. Back in the nineties.
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I think they are.
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Yeah. I think so for sure.
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Yep.
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Yeah. We were just talking about the wildfire situation and how crazy it is that they spent 24 $1,000,000,000 last year on the homeless.
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Yeah.
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And what do they speak on preventing these wildfires? 0.
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Zip. Zip. Zip. And in 2019, I think Newsom said, you know, I’m gonna take care of the forest and maintain the forest and do all that kind of stuff. He didn’t do anything.
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Didn’t do anything. And then on top of that, they cut the water off.
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Yeah. That’s right. Yeah. It’s all funny. And then I think all our tax dollars probably went for Gavin’s hair gel. I don’t know, but it’s like, you know, it’s sai. It’s like the place is just on fire.
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Well, the whole state is just so poorly managed. It’s so it’s so frustrating and confusing, and then he gets on TV and pretends ai everything’s great. Mhmm. And California is the best we have the best state. We have the most amazing economy. I’m ai, you’re out of your fucking mind, dude. You’ve ruined the state.
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It personally ruined it.
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Well, it’s the same team that was up in San Francisco, and then they came down to LA and they’re doing what they did in San Francisco. And Yeah. San Francisco is kinda ai apocalyptic now, you know. Yeah. I went there and this is like people every, you know, homeless, you know, it’s just it’s a mess.
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It’s just unbelievable that society can crumble that quickly. Mhmm. It doesn’t it’s unbelievable.
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It doesn’t take long. No. Yeah. I read a book once by Jared Diamond called Collapse. Mhmm. You ever read that
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book?
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Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Right? It says all the things you need for a civilization to cave in and collapse. And a lot of the things are bryden. All those earmarks, the precursors of a collapse, they’re present in our time. So it’s it’s an interesting observation. Yeah. And we’re no smarter than our grandparents, I don’t think.
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Well, that brings me to one of my favorite movies of yours is Apocalypto.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know, when the Mayans were running things like ai could have ever thought when they had such an incredibly sophisticated society, unbelievable construction, like the stuff that they had built that one day you just walk through there and there’s nothing. Nothing. Nothing and nobody.
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In fact, there’s something because it’s interesting. Somebody was flying by what they thought was a volcano in the thirties, some buzz boy, and he thought, hey, that’s somebody built that. Wait a minute. There’s 4 by 8 foot bricks. That’s not that’s man made. And it is literally the biggest pyramid in the world.
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It’s bigger than the ones in Egypt, and it’s in Guatemala.
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Yeah. We talked about that the other day. Yeah.
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It’s a recent discovery. Right? Well, not that reason. I was, maybe 20 years ago, I visited. Ai went down there with the with the, archaeologist, sai guy named Richard Vatsal, who’s from Idaho or someplace. And he’s down there with his family. He’s been working ai for, like, 30 years ai to extract this pre classic city from the jungle. And there’s not a bunch of tourists.
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All the pyramids in Tikal would fit inside the one big pyramid in El Mirador. Really? Yeah. It’s a monster. And so that tells you that the pre classic civilization was bigger and grander and more sophisticated than the civilizations that came after it. Yeah. Pretty interesting.
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Well, it is unbelievable how, like, when when you the accounts of, like, people that visited Mexico and visited the Aztecs, like, what the markets looked like and how insane it was and how gorgeous it was and then just
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Yeah. Disease. Yeah. Disease ai I don’t know if it was disease or what. I think the people were pretty dissatisfied. It would have been hard for, Cortes with his limited numbers to actually take over a civilization like that unless they kind of happened upon a civilization that was pretty dissatisfied with the way things were going.
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Yeah. So I think they had people to help them sort of rebel.
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When when you’re making a movie like Apocalypto, I mean, that’s a crazy undertaking. You’re making an entire movie where there’s no English in it at all and it’s a blockbuster.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s cool. It was fun.
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That’s one of the best movies, man. It’s a fucking great movie.
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Well, because I think it’s scary because nobody’s speaking your language. And you’re looking at indigenous peoples who you and because they’re not speaking the language, you totally kind of buy it. And you can buy the horror and and the primal nature of of the story you wanna tell.
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And and really it’s just a series of fears, one after the other, you know, being chased by, you know, scary guys or ai by wild animals or, you know, hit by blow you know, blowgun. It’s all ai a a series of these things, but I think, basically, what I was doing was trying to talk about our time now and the civilization that we live in and how close are we to collapse, and what are the things that lead to collapse.
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You know? It’s environmental stuff. It’s, human sacrifice. Yeah. I mean, we do that. Kinda. We do. Yeah. Yeah. We do.
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We just dress it up. Meh. And when you find out medications are killing people and they keep prescribing them and they do it for money, that’s kind of sacrifice. When you find out that wars are irresponsible
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They’re not just wars.
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Not just? No. They’re they’re for money?
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Meh send our young people over there to to die. Mhmm. Sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for not. I mean, I’ve I love this I love the warrior. I do. I love the warrior, but I hate the war. Yeah. And, Well, we hate
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we hate an unjust war.
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Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Meh. Anyway, it’s a, yeah, it’s a meh. But the human sacrifice aspect is is alive and well in our society, I think.
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It really is. It’s just dressed up in a different way.
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Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Rhetoric around it. But they’ve always been able to justify it. Like an Apocalypto was ai, yeah. So the crops will be better. Hey. We’ll just, you know
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Yeah. Kill a few people.
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Yeah. And then I had all these people come out of the woodwork. Hey. We’re we’re archaeologists and ai, and that never happened. So there’s this revisionism about it too that it didn’t happen. But there are accounts from the time where, yes, people did witness these things.
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And, and, of course, I had a bunch of battery of archaeologists and scientists and professors on my own that say, yeah, well, this stuff did happen. Here’s the here’s the, you know, the depictions of it in paintings and images and, you know, so it’s like it did happen.
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So When you when you set out to make a movie like that, like, what first of all, what brings you to that? Did you get the script first? Like, what what did was it an idea that you had in your head?
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It was, it just came from in here, and I was working on something and a buddy of mine said, so what do you wanna do next? I said, oh, meh. I wanna direct something, and I always wanna direct a chase film. He said, what kind of chase? I said, a foot chase. He said, what?
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I said, yeah. People chasing you. I mean, there’s something kind of primal and scary about a foot chase. And I think in order to have a foot chase, you can’t have a society where there’s any kind of cars or anything like that. Otherwise, you have a car chase. But I wanna film a foot chase like it’s a car chase. And, he said, oh. Ai said, what are you thinking?
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Ai said, well, I’m thinking if you go back before Columbus discovered Meh. You know? And it’s like, people assume that Columbus discovered America and then life began. I said, I wanna know what was happening right before he got there before he got there. And I said, so I had this idea that you see all this stuff going on sana there’s no time period on it, and then all of a sudden you date it by the arrival of Europeans.
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And I thought, it’s kinda like the Rod Serling, you know, Planet of the Apes that Yeah. Yeah. It’s kind of a cool cool ending. And he said, oh, wow. And he said, where do you think Columbus landed? I said, what the hell? Let’s look.
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So I looked up and the first peoples he encountered were Mayan trading canoes off the coast of Honduras. And I thought, cool. What was happening in Honduras? You know? And you look at these towns and and pyramids and temples and stuff at that ai. And then the story was born from there.
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And, of course, then we read the book by Jared Diamond, collapse. I read the Mayan Bible, the Popol Vuh, and, you know, some tried to delve into what they believed and and and what their civilization was like. And they had concepts as we do of, heaven and hell, of punishment or reward, you know. It was a little different, quite a bit different actually.
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In fact, when I went down to, the archaeological sites at El Mirador, they dug something up. And it was ai, well, what is it? And I said, we don’t know. It could there was this carved image in the stone of this Mayan warrior drinking, and he had a ear spool. And it was like so they dug further and further, and it went ai 26 meters down.
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And it was the entire story of the Popol Vuh, of the twins going into hell and getting their father’s head and swimming back. And it’s it’s this crazy story. And it, kind of dated that book because I think it was almost 3000 years old, this this, mural, this carving. So it tells you the story is pretty old.
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And they thought initially it was probably back in the 1300, but this confirmed that it was at least 2,600 years old, something like
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that. Wow.
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Yeah. So it’s pretty cool that to be there when they’re digging that stuff up is mind blowing.
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Well, they’re missing so much of the Ai history. It’s a very interesting What’s the ai? That’s water. Water. They’re missing so much of the Mayan history, you know, because everybody’s gone. But, one of the you meh ever see that very bizarre carving where it looks like there’s a guy who’s sitting in a cockpit of a spaceship Yes.
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Like looking through some sort of an an eye thing.
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Yeah. They got some weird stuff. It’s ai Weird. Yeah.
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Where there’s fire underneath the chair. Like, what is that?
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They got dudes that look like Europeans. They have these guys with red beards and helmets and stuff. Yeah. It’s like these Phoenician guys who probably traveled over there early on. Yeah. Probably maybe in the 6th century or something like that. So they it wasn’t that long a boat ride, so they probably went over there and made contact, and they they thought they were gods or something.
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And then they went away again, and they said, well, wait for them to come back. And, of course, they did come back, but it didn’t work out the same.
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No. No. No. Well, there’s so many accounts of, you know, people visiting the especially when you get into the Amazon.
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Sure. Oh, I don’t know about the Amazon. Oh, my God. What’s tell me about that.
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Well, first of all, the Amazon used to be filled with people. Yeah. And most of the Amazon is man made. The jungle in the Amazon ai agriculture. Yeah. Wow.
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Yeah. Okay.
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The jungle in the Amazon, they didn’t even know this until fairly recently.
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Mhmm.
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And they now know from flying over, they use light ai, which is this, light emitting radar. So they so when they use this laser radar shit, when they fly over it, they’re finding all these grids and pathways and cities in the jungle. So the jungle had consumed all these cities. I think there was millions and millions of people living in the Amazon. Yeah.
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And that Europeans came over, diseases, everybody dies, jungle consumes the city. People come back 200 years later looking for it ai the lost city of z, like that, that story.
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You’re right. Yeah.
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They go back to look and there’s there’s nothing left.
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Yeah. Guns, germs, and steel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Wow. That’s fascinating. I’ll have to look into that. And we’re
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going through all those things right ai, now. Guns, germs, and steel.
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Oh, yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Germs. Yeah. The germs. I had I’m just just on the tail end of some hideous flu that was go I don’t know if you got that.
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The h ai n one or whatever the fuck
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it is? I don’t know what the hell it yeah. I’ve had that. That was the swine thing. I had swine flu one time.
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I checked it for 2009? Ai yes.
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Yeah. It was around then. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was a it was an epidemic, a a pandemic, whatever you wanna call it, but it didn’t have the same sort of press releases
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Yeah. That COVID did. Sure. I got the swine I acted more like a pig. You know? Terrible. Terrible. Wallowing in my own mud.
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So, I like Flight Risk. It’s sai fun movie.
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Oh, it’s a hoo. You know, it’s a it’s a hoot. I mean, I think the first thing you gotta do with any film, and I think it’s incumbent upon all directors, artists to entertain first in some fashion. Even if it’s a heavy story, you have to find some some aspect of it that entertains.
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And, and I think this for entertainment sai is just fun and it’s quick. I’m I’m not subjecting you to 4 hours of, like, watching autism dry. Right. It’s like it’s like, you know, it’s 85, 90 minutes. Yeah.
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It’s a good time.
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Yeah. And Mark is insane.
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Yeah. He’s great in it. He plays a good psycho.
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Oh, he’s a psychopath. Mark’s got a good dark side. There’s some there’s some dark stuff there that he was able to draw ram. And, every now and then, he’d let it out. I can’t even repeat some of the stuff he’d say. In fact, we had to cut most of it out. It was, like, really sick. But, we we hint at it. Anyway.
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When you make a movie now
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I mean, you’ve had such a career.
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Yeah. When you
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make a movie now, like, what motivates you at this point in your life? Ai, how do you how do you ai? Let’s hit the green light on this one.
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Yeah. There are things that speak to meh, and, and they speak for a for a long time. It’s, I remember when I was a a kid in high school, I was studying English. And then, well, where did the English language come from? And they talked about, wow, it came from this old guttural German, old Norse that the Ai brought across. And I was thinking, wow, that’s cool. The Ai, you know.
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And then immediately, I start thinking, man, somebody should make I wanna make a film about Ai, and they only speak in old Norse because if if if they say if they say, you know, if they speak English all of a sudden Right. You’re not buying it. If they’re speaking some guttural language Yeah. You’re sort of scared by them, and it’s like, that’s scary to me.
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And then I said to myself, I’m 17 years old. Why am I thinking about making films about Ai? I don’t know anything about making films and not much about Vikings. So why the hell am I even thinking about that? But that was something that was early on was like a a drive, I guess, to sort of depict things like that.
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So I did films in other languages, in Mayan and in in Aramaic and in Latin. Yes. You know? So Yeah. And there’s a power to that.
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I noticed when I was young, I used to go and watch a lot of foreign films. I watch French movies. Right? Or German or whatever they were, Spanish. I’d watch them and I think, wow, the acting is great in those and it seemed better because of the ai. Right. Yeah. Yeah. More believable somehow. I don’t know.
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Right. Because you’re not you’re not hearing insincerity in their voice because you don’t even understand what they’re saying. No. Yeah. You just feel the emotions in the words.
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And it also it has to take your attention because you have to do another function. You have to read Yeah. Which is another thing that sort of maybe blinds you to the flaws in the filmmaking perhaps. So, you know, hey, it’s a great trick. Yeah. It’s obfuscation.
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There’s a there’s a thing about reading it while you’re watching it. It’s like an added element of concentration. Mhmm. You know, like subtitled movies. You feel like you’re a smarter person watching a movie where you’re reading it and it’s well.
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Yeah. And there’s yeah. There’s something about the written word. It’s ai it’s a pretty interesting thing to throw into the mix. I know when I first started, it was kinda confusing, but then I got really good at it. And I think, especially with something like what the passion that I did, the written word was very important
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Mhmm.
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Because it was you know, you got all those books, the Ai. You know? You’ve got the the different gospels and stuff that people are quite familiar with. Half the time, they didn’t even need to read the subtitles. They could look at it and know what was going on.
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That was a crazy movie because, it was a great movie, but Yeah. It seemed like there was resistance to that movie.
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Oh, yeah. No. There was
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a Which, I’ve I’ve I’ve thought was very straight. There was, like, Hollywood resistance to that movie. Like, people didn’t like that you were making it, it seemed like.
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Yeah. There’s a lot of there was a lot of opposition to it. And, I I don’t know. It’s I think if you ever hit on that subject matter, you’re gonna get people going because Of course. It’s big subject matter and it’s like, you know and my contention is, you know, when I was making it, it was ai, you’re making this film and the idea was that we’re all responsible for this, that his sacrifice was for all mankind and that for all all our ills and all all the things in our fallen nature, it was a redemption.
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So you know? And I believe that. You know? I I actually ram, you know, I was born into a Catholic family. I’m very Christian in my beliefs. You know?
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So I do actually believe this stuff to the full. So depicting that was an honor, but it was also yeah. You got the you got the daylights beat out of you for it.
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Yeah. Because there’s there’s resistance, first of all, from secular Hollywood
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Mhmm.
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Where for whatever reason, Christianity is the one religion that you’re allowed to disparage. Yeah. Christianity is the one religion where people the the all these progressive, open ai, leftist people, they’ll embrace all these different religions until it comes to Christianity.
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And for whatever reason, that represents, like, white male, you know, what whatever it represents, co colonialism
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Mhmm.
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You know, whatever, you know, whatever it represents, it’s negative.
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Yeah. Sure. It’s gotten a bad ram, and they people do feel free to beat up on it. Mhmm. Even I do when I see it’s ai, you know, when it’s not fair or Ai think it’s off. Right. Like, you know, when they appoint some cardinal in some diocese and he’s been covering up for, like, people who are child molesters. Yes.
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You know, like Theodore McCarrick or arya Wuerl or those kind of guys. I mean
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Or the pope? Yes.
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Absolutely. I’m I’m
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Benedict.
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Oh, not Benny. Well, he was covering up, but, like Yeah. So is the guy now.
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Is he really?
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Meh, yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s not great.
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I thought he was, like, the more progressive pope.
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Oh, he’s very progressive. Yes.
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But he’s covering up for stuff as well. Well, they they all are. I mean, it’s a it’s a a dark institution in a lot of ways because it’s history. Mhmm. You know?
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Well, you know, the institution, it was instituted by Christ, you know, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t be flawed. And there’s a school of thought that says it isn’t what it purports to be anymore. It’s it’s moved away from what it was intended to be and what it is. Almost there’s a guy called, Bishop Vino who says it’s a counterfeit parallel church, and it’s it’s running an entirely different religion.
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I actually don’t Ai don’t adhere to a post conciliar church. I adhere.
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Can you define what that means?
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Okay. There was an event that happened in the in the sixties. First, there was an event in the Vatican where they elected John the 23rd pope, right, in 1958. I was 2 years old. Right? He was elected and it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave. You know, usually there’s white and black smoke that goes out of the the chimneys to tell you, we have a pope, you know, have them sai sana, you know.
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And the white smoke came out. And everybody cheered and they went crazy. And then about a half an hour later, black smoke came out. That never in history has that happened, that the white smoke came out and then the black smoke came out.
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So white smoke means we found a new pope. Black smoke means no pope.
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That’s right. They’d have votes, or there’d be one reason or another they’d have around in the conclave, and black smoke would come out many ai, many times maybe. Maybe it would take 2 weeks. But never was it known that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.
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So what was the scenario?
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That somebody was elected and that maybe something else happened, and he was pushed aside that someone else was put in. Uh-huh. So it was Power struggle. Some kind of power struggle. And, of course, the man who came out was a man called Angelo Roncalli, and he was John the 23rd.
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Now it’s interesting to note that never had a pope taken the name of another pope ever before in history. But this man took the name of a known anti pope from the 15th century that Cosimo de Meh put in there as his own man. I’ll get you on the chair and then everything will be rosy. You know? Everything will go good for business. You know?
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Whatever he was putting him in there for some corrupt reason. But, and there have been corrupt men in that place before. I mean, there’s Alexander the 6th and Julius the saloni and 6th is the 4th. I mean, some of these guys are you know, they’re not saints. So he took the name of a known anti pope from the 5th century who actually said, meh. I’m an anti pope. Sorry.
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I’m not the right guy because there was more than one and he confessed to being, And he wanted to, you know, square things with with the almighty, I guess, so he confessed to being an anti pope. And, so he took the same name as that guy, John the 23rd. So it’s interesting. Don’t you think? I mean, I why would he do that?
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Well, whenever you have that kind of power like, I’m sure you’ve been to the Vatican. Right?
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Yeah. It’s stunning. Yes. It’s huge.
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It’s so when you’re walking around, you see just a massive amount just a dollar value in the art that they possess. Yeah. It’s fucking insane.
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It’s crazy. Yeah. And, you know, it’s a very small country. It’s a country. Yeah.
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It’s a country inside of a small city. Yeah. Because Rome’s not the biggest city. No. And then it’s got a country inside the city Yeah. With with walls around it
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Sure.
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And you can’t extradite people.
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Yeah. Pretty weird.
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How convenient.
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Yeah. Even Ratzinger, he didn’t drive from the Vatican to the other place. He flew. Oh. And it was only a little while because who knows ai? I don’t know.
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Well, he was wanted. Yes. Yeah. I mean, he had done one of the things that he had done was he had moved a priest that had molested a 100 kids and he moved him to some new place where he molested deaf kids.
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Yeah. Yeah. Boy. Yeah. Yeah. I know.
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That’s the the dirtiest, most evil practice that the Catholic church has been accused of.
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I think so. And many institutions as well, but that is a very bad one. And, I think it’s all part and vatsal of the same corruption that crept in. And when you asked what’s the difference between pre Vatican 2, so Vatican 2 happened and, of course, they they took the church and they they reformed it and they changed things in it.
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And it didn’t necessarily agree with everything that went before it. And up to that point, yeah, you could find it agreed with vatsal. But all of a sudden, you got something else to the point where now I meh, I mean, we got a pope that brought a a South American idol into the church to worship.
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Really? He did. The Pachamama. He bought the south and he
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got What I don’t I don’t know what that is.
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It’s a it’s kinda like a South American god Pachamama. It’s just
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Why would he do that?
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Good question. But he did.
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Did he have an explanation for why he did it?
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Yeah. It’s kind of a weasel worded thing of, like, oh, all religions are just as good as one another. But, you know, if that’s his contention
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You shouldn’t be the pope. No. I mean How can you be the pope if they all religions are just as as good?
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Yeah. We all worship the you know? So yeah. There’s the Pachamama.
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There you go. So he brought
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that in? Yeah. Into the Vatican. Then the higher he the hierarchy even worshiped shah they had a ceremony around it outside. What? Well, that constitutes apostasy. Yeah. It’s a that’s an apostasy move. Alright?
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Worshipping false gods.
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Yeah. That’s number 1 on the Mosaic hit list. Yeah. Moses goes up on the mountain. He comes back down. People are worshiping him in a golden calf. Yeah. You know? It’s it’s that. Yeah. So you can’t do that. And, for me, that’s a a departure from what we you know? That’s called apostasy. Right.
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It’s a falling away from it. And the very nature of apostasy means that you have to be part of it to fall away from it.
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Mhmm.
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So it’s an inside job.
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So what do you think there’s a motive behind these things?
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I don’t think you well,
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probably. What do you think it is? I don’t know.
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But it isn’t good. I think look. I think we’re we’re we’re looking at a world where and this is the in the next film I’m gonna do, I’m gonna try and tackle this question That there are big realms, spiritual realms. There’s good, there’s evil, and they are slugging it out for the souls of mankind. And my question is, why are we even important?
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Little old flawed humanity, why are we important in that process where the big realms are slugging it out over us? And I think there’s bigger things vatsal play here. And institutions that purport to touch on the divine are necessarily going to be affected by that slugfest that’s going on between good and evil.
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Right. And And sometimes good gives up ground.
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Yeah. And maybe not on purpose. You know, maybe there’s some deception involved or self deception. Collected. Every morning when I wake up, I actually pray that I don’t deceive ai, you know, because it’s ai, you know, your mind is a very funny place. I mean, there’s, I’ve always said, you know, it’s your second thought and your first action that that you’re responsible for. Your first thought, throw it away, you know. Right.
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Upon consideration. Yeah. 2nd thought is what you’re responsible for. Yeah. That’s the difference between first degree and second degree murder.
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There you go. Right? Right? There is The
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first degree, like, I’m plotting this out and we we take that into consideration when we sentence people.
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Sure.
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Like, if you’re a person who just you’re all of a sudden you’re in a fight with a guy, you didn’t expect it and you stab him and kill him, saloni degree murder. Yeah. But if you’re ai, I’m gonna kill this motherfucker. Ai gonna find out where he is and I’m gonna go get him 1st degree.
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Sure. Ai planned a lot of murders in my life, you know. Yeah. In your head. Yeah. In your head, you plan the murder and you think, well, that’s not a very good ai. But I think I could get away with it.
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Right. It’s the second thought. Yeah. That is interesting that we take that into consideration. Yeah. That we do. Like, if you’ve had time to think about it, you’re a different kind of person than person acts in the act. Sure. Yeah.
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You’re in your animal brain. Passion. Yes. And I found this out. I actually speak a long time in my animal brain, which is a very horrible place to be. And,
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when you say that, what do you mean by you speak a long time in your animal brain?
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You’re in flight or fight Right. All the time. You don’t even sleep. It’s, like, really not a good place to be. And if anybody looks at you the wrong way, you wanna bite them. Yeah. And sometimes you say and do things that are socially unacceptable. And, you know, I went and got a brain scan by this guy called Daniel Meh, who’s this brain guy.
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He’s against all psych meds and stuff, but he thinks, like, let me have a look at your brain. And you put a radioactive tracer in meh. Woah. And to photograph my brain. Right. MRI. Right? Yeah. He works a lot of football players and guys who got brain injury. Man, he’s thirsty in here.
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But, so he he looked at my brain and he was like and he opens the file and I’m in there with the guy and he looks up and he goes, are you okay? And he goes, first no. First he went like this. And I said, what? And he went, are you okay? Like vatsal. And I said, yeah. I think so.
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And he he came over and he sat next to meh, but very slowly and cautiously. He says, no. You’re not. And I said, what do you mean? He says, you got the worst case of PTSD I have ever seen. And I said, Liam, you meh, like, even worse than guys in war and shit like that?
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And he goes, yeah. And he says, you’re not okay. Jesus Christ. And I was ai and I and I start I started to well up, you know, like, oh, no. I’m not. Oh, boy.
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And it was, he had a very miraculous and, great remedy for it, which was to eat a bunch of fish oil, vitamin b complex, and get into a hyperbaric chamber for 40 sessions, but make sure you do at least 2 or 3 a week. Oh, it fixed my head. Really? Yeah. It got me out of that wacky place. You know?
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So it was something to do with nutrition and oxygen
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and Yeah. And your brain is neuroplasticity. He explained neuroplasticity to me and how, okay, you could get brain damage and, like, holes in your head and all, you know, concussion. I used to play rugby. Ai I’ve been knocked out on the field a couple of times. You know? That explains a lot. You know? Yeah.
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And, so it actually you can actually heal the holes in your head. It’ll ai Swiss cheese. It’s ai horrible. There’s a lot a lot of these football players get like
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that too.
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Poor guys. I mean, they get depressed and they Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah.
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Hormonal imbalance, pituitary glands fucked up.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
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Yeah. Not producing testosterone or human growth hormone correctly.
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That’s correct.
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Yeah. Depression, low energy Yep.
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Irritability. Irritability, you wanna kill somebody, and
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it’s, like, terrible. Yeah.
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You know? And, and it’s just not socially acceptable. Plus, I don’t wanna go to prison.
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Yeah. Well, the rugby, I meh, that’s a a giant factor.
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Yeah. I Sai played ram, like, 13 to probably ai late teens, and and you get knocked around a lot.
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A 100%. Yeah. Yeah. There’s no if, ands, or buts about that.
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No helmet. No, you know.
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Well, people don’t realize, like, even shots to the chest cause brain damage.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. That’s what people are realizing now.
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Yeah. Sure. I mean, you know, and, like, I’m addicted to the UFC. Right? I love it. But I know that these guys are I I feel kind of sorry for them.
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I do as well. You know?
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And one of the guys I I knew one of the guys fairly well. And ai, I’m pretty immune to, like but, like, he was in there and he was fighting against Volanovsky. It was Brian Ortega, and he was getting his ass handed to him in one fight. He almost got him a couple of ai, but, like Yeah.
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I almost submitted him twice.
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Yeah. I know. But because I knew Brian, it was like my it was like my son was in there. Ai I almost started crying. I was like and it got to me. I was like, I should probably feel like this about all these guys, but I don’t know them as well.
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It becomes a problem for me when I’m friends with a guy and then and then also I see when they’re on the tail end of their career and they can’t take shots anymore, and then when you talk to them, you recognize the speech patterns are slurring. Mhmm.
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Yeah. Yeah. I met Muhammad Ali when he was in the chair, you know. And, and I don’t know if I could even tell this story. What he said was so funny, but he was still in there and he was still a little devil. And he was ai, and he was still he was still fucking with people.
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Of course.
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But it was like, I I can’t tell this. You can’t? No, man.
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Okay. Footnote it. Tell me later.
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I’ll tell you later. It’s ai. But it was my assistant, you know, it’s what he said to my assistant. It was like sai funny. And, and and then he said it and we all were ai, woah. And then I looked at him and he was just laughing. He was laughing his ass off. So he was still all in there, but it was hard. I guess he had the damage of being punched out.
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Trauma related Parkinson’s disease. Yes. Very common for fighters. Oh my god. Oh, no.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s not good. No. I got knocked out when I in a fight when I was, like, 20, and it was, like, knocked out, like, out. And it was, you know, I woke up in the hospital. Not good.
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No. Well, a few of those will explain a lot.
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Yes. It does.
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Yeah. And we didn’t know that, you know, back then. That’s why it always drives me crazy in a movie when someone gets hit over the head with a gun and knocked out, and then 5 minutes later, they’re fighting and they’re flying. You know?
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Or shot in the arm. You know? I could, like, kill you. You know? That always makes me laugh too, but we used to do it. You know?
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Well, you kinda have to. Right? Yeah. It’s like part of the whole thing of telling a movie. You gotta Sure.
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I mean, Michelle of disbelief. Michelle Docker even brains Mark Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher at one point.
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It’s Yeah. He’s back. You know? Brains him, shoots him.
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Oh, yeah. He’s a cockroach. He can’t kill him. It takes a lot more. We’ll you’ll find out.
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Yeah. But, we’re you know, people used to think that concussions are just something you recover from. Like, no big deal. You meh a concussion, take a break for a little while, you’ll be fine. You might not be fine.
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No. You’re not. Yeah. I got a concussion at my daughter’s wedding. This is really weird. Okay? So she’s getting meh, married a great ai. They got a great family, and a buddy of mine from Australia comes to the wedding, and he goes, ai. He comes up, and I I go to hug him. And he he ducks down, and he comes up, and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin.
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The guy weighs 240, and he puts his shoulder into the point of my chin and knocks me the fuck out.
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Jesus Christ.
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I’m like, shah. And, like, for the next 4 months, I’m messed up. I have to get, like, a guy to work cranial, sacral, you know, fix me up and stuff like that. It really really messed me up.
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Fucking Australians.
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Yeah. Yeah. There you go.
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Wild folk.
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Worse than Germans. They’re just
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wild ex prisoners.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ai prisoner of mothering. Yeah.
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Yeah. Anyway So this this story that you wanna tell about good and evil, like, do you have a script or is it just a thing in your head? Like, what is it?
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Yeah. It’s it’s it’s the resurrection story. Ai it but it’s it’s, it’s not just it’s not linear because you can’t really it’s hard to understand. So it’s gotta be put in a framework where you answer a few other questions as well, and you have to juxtapose the event itself against everything else so that it makes some kind of sense in in a bigger picture, which is a hard thing to do.
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And it took my brother and I about and and a guy called Randall Wallace, plus my brother and Sai. Took us 6, 7 years to write it.
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So are you doing this with historians as well? Are you trying to make it Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Historical stuff. Well, I regard I regard the gospels as history. It’s ai history. Some people say, oh, it’s a fairy tale. He never exist, but he did. And there are other accounts, verifiable historical accounts ai the biblical ones that also bear this up that, yes, he did exist.
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And, and and the other aspect of that is that the all the evangelists, the apostles who went out there, every single one of those guys died rather than deny their belief. And nobody dies for a lie. Nobody. Right. So that’s part of what I’m doing. It’s like showing nobody dies for a lie.
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Yeah. Well, the resurrection is the one that is the most difficult for people to swallow. Yes. That that’s the one that requires the most faith.
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The most faith and the most belief. Yeah. Resurrection. Yeah. Who who who gets back up 3 days later after he gets murdered in public, who gets back up under his own power. Buddha didn’t do that shit. Right. You know? So
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You believe that was a real event?
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Yeah. I do. Yeah.
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What brought you to that belief? Is this something you’ve always had, or is it something you you studied it and you’ve come to this conclusion because of the historical accounts? And
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Yes. I think as a child, you know, one accepts things on faith because, you know, you’re raised by people who are nice to you and they believe it. And my dad was a pretty smart guy. He was, like, Meh smart. You know? Like, real smart. Like, back in 1968, he won Jeopardy. Right? And then Really?
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And then they brought all the Jeopardy winners back, and he played all the winners, and he beat all of them too. So he had a mind like a steel ram, and his memory was practically photographic. My memory is pornographic, but it’s like it’s like his his was ai, I don’t have that that kind of mind. Right.
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But I’m more ai he did math and I you know, I can’t add. But, so as a child, you learn, these things and you accept them on faith. And I still have that faith, but as I got older, I came to it through intellect and through reading and putting things together and accounts and then occurrences ai in my own life.
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You know? I mean, just recently, they verified the Shroud of Turin. Have you seen that?
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I’ve been reading about it, and I know that there’s some contention. There’s some some discussion and debate about it, but they used to think that it was only a couple 100 years old. Yeah. And now they’ve they’ve changed that.
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Yeah. They sai no. It’s back then.
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They also don’t understand how it was made, which to me is very fascinating because it’s not paint. It’s not they don’t know what caused the image itself and how that technology would have even been available
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It wasn’t. Yeah.
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A couple 1000 years ago.
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An intense ai. I mean, atomic to leave almost ai a photographic imprint on a piece of cloth. Yeah. And
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It’s ai. Pull that up. Pull the Shroud of Turin up.
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Oh, yeah.
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It’s wild to look at because it’s it’s so interesting.
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Oh, yeah. And you can see it that it depicts a 1st century Hebrew male because the hairstyle was from the 1st century and a Hebrew hairstyle that he was about 6 feet tall, that he was completely scourged all over his body. He was crucified. That’s right there.
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The one on the left is it the one on the right is just like an artistic rendition.
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That’s the
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face. Click on that one, the face the face. Yeah. That’s good enough. Get that large. That’s fucking crazy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Scourged, beaten
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Yeah. A
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ram the the wounds on the the thorns, the hands, the feet, and and the scourging. And the the the hairstyle was from the 1st century, and the pollens that they found in the cloth were from that region. Yeah. Also, the weave was a 1st century weave that was typical. And another guy, an archaeologist who I knew who actually translated the passion in Aramaic, told me that if you look close, you can see that the the image of a Tiberias coin marks on the eyes.
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Now I don’t know if that’s real or not. I’ve never actually checked that, but that there’s images of Tiberias on the coin.
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So they would put the coins over the eyes? Yeah.
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So that would date it. But they have now verified that it does actually go back to that time period. For a while, they were testing pieces that had been repaired in the 13th century or Right.
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You know? What is the latest on that, Jamie? Do you sai, like
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I I was trying to get that. I have 2 different articles from within the last 6 months
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saying opposite things. Sai Yeah. Obviously. Of course.
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Didn’t know which one sounded the most accurate.
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Well, it’s such a crazy thing to even try to verify.
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Like, what
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are you like, what are you saying? You’re saying that this is really the shroud that Jesus was covered in? So you’re saying Jesus historically absolutely did exist and we think that this is the shroud that covered him. That just that saloni. Yeah. Incredulity, people’s immediately their their their their hackles raise, like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
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And they just instead of, like, looking at it objectively, they own almost always wanna look at it from a point of view of dispute disproving it immediately, dismissing it immediately.
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But that’s, you know, that’s science, isn’t it? You have to sort of, you know, you play the devil’s advocate. Yeah. And that’s okay. Go for it, you know.
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Do you are you aware of Graham Hancock? Oh, no. Graham Hancock is, he’s sort of, a historian that has a very, he’s got a a series on Netflix. He’s a fascinating ai. And his his career started because he was investigating this these accounts in Ethiopia Mhmm. Of the Arya of the Covenant. Right.
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And that they believe the Ark of the Covenant is in this one church that’s protected by all these monks that wind up getting cataracts and radiation disease and sickness, and they think that it’s because they’re protecting this Ark of the Covenant, this this actual thing, that it’s an actual physical thing that’s there.
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And if you touch it, you get zapped. Yeah.
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Yeah. And that even being in its presence fucks these people up.
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Maybe. Maybe. Who knows? I mean, there’s gotta be some place. Right? They buried it. They lost track of it. Yeah. But, man, it used to be. And and all the stories are if you even touched it, you fall over. Mhmm. You know? Because it was instructed electrically somehow.
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Yeah. Like, what is that? What’s in there?
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Yeah. What why
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is it giving people cancer if they’re really protecting it?
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I think it’s the actual structure of the container it’s in that that is the problem. That’s my thought. Sai could be wrong. But I think inside it, they have things from, like, when Moses was, like, manna and, you know, stuff like that that they they managed to keep from like, for example, they they say that, that Golgotha, the place where the crucifixion happened, it’s called Golgotha, the place of the skull because that’s where Adam’s head is buried.
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Really? Yes. And that that it’s also perhaps the same place. And and it it tells you it’s kind of in the same area where Abraham almost sacrifices Isaac. Oh.
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So it’s interesting. Yeah. And it’s and and the cross when in any artistic depiction at the foot of the cross underneath it is the skull, representing the skull of Adam. So it’s interesting. Yeah.
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Yeah. There it is. Yeah. That’s the skull of Adam,
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Yep. Wow. Place of the skull, memory of myth in the chapel of Adam.
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What did you, find on the Shroud of Turin, Jamie?
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Both those articles just asked, like, one person. Like, one researcher thought it was. Another researcher, based off of their research, said it wasn’t.
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Can you put it to the one that thought it was?
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Sai the one who thought it was
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is our, ai, a nuclear researcher. A nuclear researcher. Jesus Christ.
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Ai was like sai artist from Brazil. Yeah. So I don’t I don’t I don’t know who has the most.
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So it says study published in the journal heritage. The authors conducted dating work on a sample from the shroud coming to the conclusion that it may be a 2000 year old relic. The shroud was long been the subject of intense scrutiny, features a faint image of a man some believe is the body of Jesus miraculously imprinted onto the cloth.
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While the latest study does not discuss the question whether or not the artifact was indeed Jesus’ burial burial shroud. Specifically, the authors did find its age is roughly consistent with his time.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think isn’t the Smithsonian guy all for it? I don’t know. Maybe that’s him. I don’t know. But, yeah, there’s foreign against. There’s always been.
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Yeah. Always. But it’s just
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But the but the but the image is ai
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Yeah. It’s pretty crazy. Yeah. Whatever it is is pretty crazy. And the fact that they don’t know how they made it is also pretty crazy. Yeah. It’s not a painting. Nope. And then not not exactly sure how it even came about.
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Yeah. It had to have been some kind of intense light.
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Well, the the thought was that even trying to replicate something like that today would be incredibly difficult to do. Sure.
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It’s like an x-ray vision. Yeah. It’s it’s like an x-ray. That’s what they you only see you really see it in the negative only. Right. You know? Right. It’s like a negative. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. I buy it, but but but that’s not the only reason I buy it.
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I mean, I think, you know, there’s other logical reasons why I why I believe. So
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Like, what are those?
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Oh, okay. Stuff that happens in your own life. The results you get from actually appealing to a power greater than yourself. You know? And, I mean, I don’t think it’s any secret. I am flawed in the fact that I am, by nature, born an alcoholic. Right? I did drugs. I did alcohol.
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So and there was nothing that could stop me from doing that. Nothing. So I was really kind of on you’re on a downhill run. So I regard the fact that I was able to appeal to something greater than myself to help me and actually stop me doing that. I think that’s a miracle.
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It is. For me, it is. And for many. You know? So
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Well, that is the thing about AA. Right? It’s it’s sai part of the whole process is appealing to a higher power.
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Sure. It’s spiritual program.
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Yeah.
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Because you’re suffering your spiritual malady. You know? Yeah. So it’s a spiritual cure. And that’s, the essence Ai think of why it works because you can’t explain it otherwise. I mean, it’s you well, you kinda can, but I think what you’re being asked to do is to think about other people and other things more than yourself because it’s kind of an ego disease.
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Yeah. So if you
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That is the problem with addiction. Right? It’s very narcissistic.
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Very narcissistic.
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Because you’re constantly thinking about yourself and what you
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need. Mhmm.
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I need a drink. I need a bump. I need a lot you know, I need something. Sure. I need it
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or Yeah. And no matter what you need, it’s never gonna be enough.
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Right. Right.
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So you actually have to appeal to something outside that you consider bigger and better than yourself, which instantly kind of pushes you more in the direction of humility because because you’re not the center of the universe anymore Right. And that you can’t do it. And the first step in any of that sort of stuff is accepting that you are powerless over it.
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That’s the first that’s the first, that’s the most powerful step you can do is that you’re powerless. When you realize that, you’re like, okay. Yeah. There’s fuck all I can do about this. I have to appeal to something better than me, and that to me is a miracle.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s a very uniquely human thing, the ability to course correct and also just the the concept of addiction in the first place.
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Sure.
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You know, it’s a very uniquely human thing that we all know there’s dark roads our mind can go down and then we wonder, like, what is the purpose of these dark thoughts? Mhmm. What is the purpose of this destructive behavior that we’re we’re all prone to in some way, shape, or form?
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What is the purpose of everything? Yeah. I mean, like Right. I mean, why am I here? What’s the meaning of this? Yeah. I’m looking for a purpose and and, what is it we’re here for? I think, you know, we have to leave some stuff, but you have to leave some good stuff. You can leave plenty of bad stuff, You know?
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And it’s, and we’re all prone that way. I often think about, you know, the human race as a whole. You know, you think about guys like, you know, Stalin or Hitler or Chairman Mao or and I’m I’m pretty sure I’m not gonna be sharing a cell in the afterlife with those guys. You know? Right. I don’t know where I’ll be on the ladder.
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But,
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Depends on how you end up. Right?
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Well, that’s it. Yeah. It really is. It’s it’s ai, you know and we’re allowed to make mistakes, and we do. We are so flawed. And I ram I I’m more flawed than anyone. You know? But it’s, something that you I think and it’s pretty safe to say I’m in the 3rd act now. You’re in act 2. Right? Gesundheit. But I’m I’m like, I’m in the 3rd act, man. So you can’t you have to think about the other side. Yeah.
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Think about what comes next. Is there a next? Yes. There is. I believe there is. And I think it’s, depends on how you live now.
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And, and the beauty of believing is that even for your transgressions, you can be forgiven and you can be redeemed, but it’s all up here. Right.
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You know? Is the true acceptance and understanding of what you’ve done and what you should do.
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Sure. You have to look at yourself honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Honestly, you have to be able to accuse yourself and and understand that there is there’s it’s a great deal of mercy involved in the fact that Ai believe that God sent His Sana down to tell us, okay, I’m gonna ransom you people from your fallen nature, and, and I’ll give you a road map on how to do it.
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And and people do it. There’s even people that do it that ai never even heard of it. You know, some guy in the jungle someplace, I’m sure. Right. You know? Because the creator is above the law. I mean, it’s an interesting fact to note that the first canonized saint you know who it was? No.
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The first ever confirmed canonization as a saint was Dismas. You know who Dismas was? No. He was hang he was the thief on the cross next to Jesus. Oh.
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And he says to him, you’re gonna be okay. This day, you’ll be with me. I’m ai, criminal, all that stuff. So Wow. The lawmaker is above the law.
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So there’s a lot of mercy.
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01:03:48
What about people that never experienced Christianity? What about the the uncontacted people?
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That’s right. That’s what I’m saying. Sometime in the jungle. Yeah. It’s been known that, it’s called invincible ignorance because they don’t know what the truth is.
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Mhmm.
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You know? It’s possible that they can be saved as well. I ai you know?
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01:04:12
So what are your thoughts on evolution?
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Wow. The Darwin thing? Yeah. I don’t really go for it. No? Yeah. Ai sai to dinosaurs, you know, what did they turn into? Ai mean, things became extinct at some point. I don’t think I was some kind of, like, you know, legless thing that crawled out of the ocean. I don’t think I came from that. I think I was created.
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Do you think other things were legless things that came out of the ocean? Do you think, like, multi celled organisms came out of single celled organisms and there was some sort of a natural selection and random mutation and it led to everything else but us?
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Sure. Look at gain of function. Right. You can, like, you can make stuff happen. Ai I’m sure stuff did happen, but I think it’s all part of creation. I think it’s all ordered. I think anyone left anything left to itself without some kind of intelligence behind it will devolve into chaos.
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And so that there has to be some big intelligence that orchestrates everything. Not that we don’t have chaos in the world, but I think that’s our own making.
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But what do you think separates us from all the other creatures?
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Wow. I think we have a soul. We’re created with a soul. And, you know, I went to a restaurant last night. It was a steak house in Austin. And it was interesting because all the pictures on the wall are pictures of animals that look resentful, like cows and steers staring at you, looking angry as you rip into a steak.
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But, I just believe we we are higher than those creatures because we have a soul, we have an intellect above theirs, and, and we aspire to to higher things. We have we have aspirations.
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Right.
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And, you know, this is part of why people drink and smoke and do dope and all this kind of stuff is because they’re looking for a a spiritual experience. They’re looking for like, they actually call alcohol spirits. I mean
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Right.
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It’s they’re looking for something ai. And I think we all have that yearning in that we wanna be happy, and, we wanna be at peace, and we want everything to be hunky dory. So there’s this yearning in building all of us for that, to aspire to something greater. And that’s why we’re inspired by stories, I think, because it’s like, you know, hero stories. You know, Joseph Campbell stuff, the hero with a 1,000 faces and stuff.
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It’s like these stories ai us. I meh I I was at a party the other day in in, in Tennessee. And you think, Tennessee, what’s gonna happen there? It’s gonna be squeal like a pig. No. Man, there’s some people live in Tennessee. Sure. But, like, amazing people.
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And I found myself in a conversation with 4 tier 1 dudes, all of who did something extraordinary. And it was that Tom Slatersley ai, who’s the Black Hawk Down guy. There was Sean Ryan who’s he’s got you probably heard of this guy. Ai friend of us. Yeah. Right? Yeah. There was a guy called Christian Craighead. You know who that guy is? No. Woah. And then there was, Eddie. They wrote a book about him.
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Eddie Gallagher? Gallagher. Yeah. Eddie Gallagher. I was talking to 4 of these guys at the same tyler, and I didn’t know who did who do you even talk to?
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But their stories are amazing, especially and the one guy I ended up talking to was an SAS guy, British SAS. He just looks like a bank teller, but he did something extraordinary and in incredibly brave and and with no regard for himself, only regard for other people. And it was like, woah. You hear these stories, and it’s sort of just ai it pumps you up. You think, would I could I do that?
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Could I be that person? I don’t know if I could. I don’t in in a way, I don’t even wanna ever find out because you have to be in an extreme situation.
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Right.
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But, but hearing about other people and how they behave in situations that are difficult is very inspiring. So, you know, it’s, yeah. There’s so many of those stories around and through history.
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Well, that’s another unique thing about human beings is that we learn from others in a very extraordinary way, and that’s one of the reasons why we like stories.
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Yeah.
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Why we like myths and fables because there’s there’s lessons you can apply to your own life without having to actually go through those things.
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Yeah. Well, that’s right. I made a film about that guy, Desmond Doss, you know. I don’t know if you saw it. It was like Hacksaw Ridge. It was this film and it was about a medic who figured sai much killing going on, he’s gonna go into the battlefield and save lives. And he didn’t have a weapon. And he was in the worst place on earth.
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And he he got a a a congressional medal of honor because he kept going in to the worst place possible and dragging wounded guys out with no regard for himself. I mean, who does that kind of stuff?
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Right.
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And over and over again, he didn’t just do it once. He did it hundreds of times. He finally got, you know, hit with shrapnel and a bunch of other stuff, but he lived to be an old man. But wow. And it was just pure faith, you know. So, you know, those guys at those kind of stories inspire the hell out of meh.
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Anyway
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So when back to this, idea of evolution. So
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Mhmm.
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Do do you believe that evolution exists in animals? Or do you think there’s some sort of a natural selection process, or do you think that it is all intelligent design?
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Well, I think everything was created. Right? And maybe things do move on and adapt and change through ai, but I think that that’s a function of an intelligence also. And, I mean, look at the fires in LA. You know? I mean, what’s that gonna do? It’s gonna give me a new house. You know? Maybe. Maybe.
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And, or
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a new place to live.
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Yeah. Something. Yeah. I’m just not totally convinced. I feel it. I’m like and and I can’t really I’m sorry. I can’t intellectually tell you why I don’t believe in evolution, but I don’t. It’s just a feeling. I don’t think I was some ape or I don’t think my ancestors were. I think they had to be pretty smart to survive.
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01:11:17
So what do you think all these prehuman hominids are that they keep discovering?
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Like, what tell me what a prehuman hominid
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Like australiapithic is
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Alright.
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Or some of the other human like creatures that never made it ai Denisovans, Neanderthals.
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Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like that. Okay. Well, they’ve got something called zynganthropus. You remember him? No. Zynganthropus sai. And he was like, he he looked kinda like this. But it was ai they they looked at it and they did some core samples on it. It was put out there by people advocating evolution, and they discovered that it was a human skull attached to the jaw of an ape.
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Oh, I do remember.
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So it was a hoax?
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Yeah. There’s been some hoaxes. Yeah. Yeah. But there’s also been real stuff. Really? Yeah. You don’t think so? Well,
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maybe. Well, what Well, you know, like I don’t know. Tell me.
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Well, what was that one that we looked at the other day shah was one of the first, prehumans that buried their their their young or buried their dead, rather? Was it homo ninaldi? What was it? Remember that? Ai can’t remember how to say it, but The lady. The lady. Yeah.
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The pre prehuman hominid, very small creature that buried their young or buried their dead rather. I keep saying bury their young. They buried their dead. You know, australopithecus, there’s there’s a bunch of different, you know, the Lucy skeleton. There’s a bunch of different prehuman
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hominids. Yeah. Maybe they’re monkeys. I don’t know.
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You know? Yeah. Well, there was they’re similar to us, just not where we are.
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Yeah.
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They’re on the road to becoming what what it means to be a human being.
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Yeah. I
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don’t know. I don’t know. What do you think those are?
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I don’t know. They could be animals or they could be ai look at today. I mean, you can get some mosquito can bite you and and your kid can be born with a malformed skull or something. It’s like, you know, they have those. You know?
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Yeah. But this is ai a did like a genetic thing. Like, they’ve done they’ve mapped the genome of these creatures.
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Oh, they
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have. They’re different. Yeah.
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Well, I don’t know how to explain those, Joe. I don’t know. But
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But you do think that human beings were created
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by God?
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I do. Yeah. When do you think that happened? When? Oh, probably and not that long ago. Really? No. Not really.
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Like, what do you mean by not that long ago?
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Probably only about 8 1000 years ago.
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Really? Yeah. So what do you think things like Gobekli Tepe are when they find these constructions that are dated carbon dated to 11,000 plus years old.
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I question carbon dating. Really?
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Yeah. Well, that that makes the simpler.
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Well, yeah. They they’re yeah. Well, there’s a lot of money in in in, you know, claims and I don’t know. I don’t know. Really?
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Water. Water’s there. Yeah. Well, carbon dating seems to be pretty rock solid studies.
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Yeah.
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I mean, science the science behind radiocarbon dating and detecting carbon isotopes. It’s like that’s pretty
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Yeah.
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Pretty legit.
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Yeah. I don’t know. I can’t square it.
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Yeah. Well, you don’t have to.
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And and I don’t have to. Sana Yeah. What difference is it gonna make to me?
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Yeah. That’s the thing. It’s, it doesn’t make a difference in terms of your experience in this life on earth. No. Like, you you can have your faith and your ideas and live a great life from beginning to end, and it might not suit you to really ponder evolution and all the puzzles and problems.
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No. It doesn’t. You know? Yeah. And I just, like you know, I look at all sorts of stuff like that. Like, you know, the, you know, the icebergs melting and the water overflowing.
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It’s not.
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Ever having a glass full of ice and watch it melt? Did you ever see the glass flow over? No. Takes up less room. You know? Yeah. You know, the the hot greenhouse, whatever. I mean, I don’t know.
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Well, there’s a lot of horseshit that’s involved in climate change for sure. I’ve studied that, and I’ve had many discussions over the last 4 years. The problem with anything is that once a narrative gets established and then there’s a profit attached to the solution to that narrative.
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Yes.
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And that’s green energy and green energy bills and there’s businesses that are wrapped around there. And then there’s also this fear that they love to pump into people about climate change that, you know, they terrify the shit out of young people that we’re gonna destroy the world, and ai change you must act now, and then you become beholden to the political party that it’s espousing these ai, and then they’re your enemy is the deniers of this science even though you don’t even understand the science.
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Yeah. Yeah. And did you see the Washington Post, article that they published recently about, temperature change on Earth? No. Well, there’s a down the the like, what they’ve realized is over the last, you know, x amount of 1000 of years that the temperature on earth is plummeting Yeah.
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And it’s dropping. And then when they look at the the dips this is the most important thing for anybody that’s really freaked out about climate change. There’s no static temperature of earth ever. Mhmm. There’s never been a time where it maintains a temperature until human beings came along and fucked it all up.
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Mhmm.
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That is just not real.
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Mhmm.
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Before human beings ever existed, if you trust these core samples, there’s been a giant rise and fall and this constant dip.
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I ai. There it is.
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Yeah. Scientists have captured Earth’s climate over the last 485000000 years. Here’s a surprising place we stand now. Look at the dip at the end.
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Woah.
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That’s where we are.
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Yeah.
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That’s that’s reality.
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Okay.
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And then if you look at the course of history, you look at the rise and fall, like, it’s never a straight ai. Way before human beings ever existed, if you believe these silly people. Way before human beings had ever existed, there’s always this rise and fall. And this idea that the whole thing is based on carbon emissions from human beings is total bullshit.
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Mhmm.
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It’s not true. We might be having an effect, but we’re having a small effect, a very small effect. And the other things are completely outside of our control including solar activity, the distance between the earth and the sun. Mhmm. You know, there’s a lot of factors. There’s there’s all sorts of factors involving natural activities ai volcanic emissions, you know, which devastate, you know, the the ai human race was knocked down to a few 1,000 people
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Yeah.
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At one point in time because of the Toba volcano.
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Oh ai god. Yeah. Yeah. No light.
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Yeah. No light for years. Yeah. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. Good luck. And the people that survive are fucking barbarians. Yeah. This most savage. And then they it takes a long time before they can figure out civilization again after that.
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It’s like dinosaurs. They just stop. Mhmm. Sai what did they evolve into? Chickens. I guess. Birds, raptors.
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Well, they think a lot of dinosaurs had feathers now. Yeah. That’s the the newest thing.
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Yeah. Maybe.
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You don’t think so?
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I don’t know. I need to take a pee. I’m so desperate. Let’s take a peek.
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Let’s take a peek. We’ll take a break. We’re
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very excited. Take a piddle. It’s a nice picture. It’s
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that’s gotta be a moment in your head where you’re just ai, every now and then, just go fuck. Yeah.
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01:18:39
Yeah. It is funny. Yeah. But it was a good picture. The only thing that was going through my head was okay. I can’t I just can’t look bad. And I didn’t have anything no grooming implements. So I just tried tried my best to not look too bad. There you go.
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Yeah. You talk about humility. Mhmm. Ai, what gives you more humility than being publicly humiliated?
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Sure. Yeah. Public humiliation. And it’s you know what? Most for most people, it is their number one fear Sure. Is public humiliation. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Public speaking and because of that, public humiliation. Sure.
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Yeah. Happens all the time.
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Because we’re so concerned about other people’s opinions of us.
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I guess.
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Yeah. Yeah. Because we’re not counting our own opinions of anyone. Well, we’ve been through a lot.
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Well, so have you. Yeah. I mean, I remember, you know, I think they were they were giving you a grilling once for taking horse ram meh.
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01:19:42
Yeah. Funny.
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Which
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yeah. Funny how that works.
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Yeah. Funny how that works. Funny how funny how that does work.
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Yeah. What’s really funny is, how that was that a part of the demise of mainstream media.
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Mhmm.
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Because people were like, well, this is crazy. This doesn’t make are you guys really the news? Like, what is
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this? Yes. I know. Yeah. It seemed to be they seem to be complicit with a
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01:20:04
A 100%. Sana,
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you know, you think, well, why? But why?
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Because of money. I think this is what we’re talking about before that there is good and evil. Yeah. And sometimes it manifests itself in a very clear and obvious sai. Mhmm. And I think that’s what that was. That was evil. That was putting people’s lives second and putting money first.
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Well, I don’t know why Fauci is still walking around.
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How is that guy still walking around?
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I don’t get it.
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If just people understand the history of the AIDS crisis and what that guy did back then.
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Did you read that book? Yeah. Yeah. I read the book. I listened to it. Yeah. I did too. I drove up to San Francisco, and I listened to it, and I had road rage. Oh, yeah. And it was ai, woah. How is he still there?
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How was first of all, people that don’t believe it, how come RFK Junior didn’t get sued? Yep. How come there’s no lawsuits? Mhmm. If there was ai, there would be lawsuits.
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No. But that’s true.
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You’d be publicly humiliated instead. They kept that book off bestseller lists. That book sold millions of copies.
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01:21:00
I know.
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They hid it. That’s when you find out that bestseller lists are actually curated. It’s not really bestseller.
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Yeah. It’s censored. It’s all censored. Everything’s censored, you know.
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But that book is an accurate depiction of what Anthony Fauci did during the AIDS crisis, which probably was an AZT ai.
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Yeah.
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And now it was an AIDS crisis.
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I mean, it’s it’s fairly incontrovertible now that he is fooling with gain of function.
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100%. And
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and, you know, ai, you know, what are the why is he still around? Right. Or at least free. Right.
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01:21:32
Right. And no repercussions.
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01:21:34
Yeah. Whatever happened to that story where, you know, the wombat and the and the weasel got together and they’re horsing around and a bat pissed on with the golden shower. Yeah. You know, it’s like and all of a bryden, it was in a wet arya. Yeah. Very wet market. You got you know?
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01:21:48
Complete total horseshit. Totally. The ai that we’re supposed to to trust were pitching that horseshit.
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01:21:54
It was like the AIDS thing. Some green monkey bit of Qantas Stewart on the ass, then he went around the world and got everybody sick, and it was, like, you know, ridiculous.
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01:22:01
If you wanna go to the AIDS rabbit hole, look up a guy named Peter Duesberg.
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Oh, yes. I know. Yeah. I read that book.
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01:22:06
Yeah. That is crazy. He’s telling the truth. This is the fucking COVID crisis times a 1000. Mhmm. Yeah. I had him on the podcast way back in the day.
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It was
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one of the earlier guests that I had. It was, like, way back in, like, 2010. It was one of the first times I got openly attacked for someone being on the podcast. There’s, like, blood is on your hands. I’m, like, first of all, no, it’s not. It’s 2010. Who’s dying of AIDS? 0 people. Sai stop. It’s not blood’s on your hand.
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Like, if this guy’s correct, he’s a tenured professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who is, like his work on cancer is, you know, everybody thinks it’s groundbreaking work, brilliant doctor, but he was a heretic. He was a guy who stood outside of Fauci’s
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The narrative.
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01:22:50
Doctrine in the narrative, and he sai, I don’t believe that HIV is what’s causing this when all these people that are having these immune systems are all heavy drug users. Yeah. That’s true. He’s ai, I think this is a disease of a decimation of the immune system due to heavy drug use, and then on top of that, you’re prescribing this chemical, this AZT that kills people.
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01:23:11
Yeah. Would not they they stopped using it for chemotherapy because it was killing them quicker than cancer was.
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I was in the Sydney Theatre Company in the nineties, and I was going to a funeral once a month of friends. They were all dying. It’s crazy. And in in the eighties nineties.
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01:23:31
And they were all getting AZT?
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Yeah. Maybe.
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Yeah. I don’t know. Well, the ones that were getting AZT, even the ones that were asymptomatic
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01:23:40
Yeah.
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Like Magic Johnson. They were giving Magic Johnson AZT. He had to stop taking it
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01:23:44
Yeah.
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Because he was making him sick. Ai was killing him.
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01:23:46
Yeah. Yeah. I read it. And, like, it’s even with RFK’s book, and and he’s an amazing guy. People say, oh, he’s kooky. He’s crazy. He’s not crazy.
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01:23:54
He’s not. He’s not.
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01:23:55
He’s he’s one of the most erudite. You know, he’s they say he’s an anti vaxxer. He’s not. He’s not. He’s like he’s he’s he’s a very shrewd. He’s never lost a case, I don’t think, when he brings something to suit. I don’t think he’s ever been defeated. But that book is not just him.
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It’s him and about a 1,000 highly qualified scientists and physicians commenting on Yes. The whole situation. So when you read it, it’s it’s a pretty convincing meh. And you’re right. Nobody sued him for it. Yeah. You know? It’s pretty scary.
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Well, not not only did they not sue him, their their response is to try to ignore it. They don’t wanna debate him on it. They don’t wanna do anything. No. They wanna just ignore it and hope it goes away, but it doesn’t go away. And the more people talk about it, the more people read it.
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And when you do read it and you go, if this is true, what the fuck is going on? And how is that monster still loose? Yeah. Oh, well. And he seems like a monster. The way he talks about things, he just seems well, first of all, there’s so many instances of him lying.
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01:24:53
There’s so many, like, where he said one thing, 2 years later, it turns out to be a lie. Sai one like, whether whether it is the, the natural thing. The mask thing, whether it’s these natural spillover, you know, the the the ai about gain of function to congress. You know? I’m sure.
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When he was lying to Rand Paul about whether or not they did gain of function research. Like, how is that not perjury? How is he not in trouble?
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Yeah. Well, well, hey. Other mysteries. You know?
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01:25:21
Well, then the Biden administration is now talking about taking that guy and and giving him a full pardon. It’s ai Yeah. Fucking crazy.
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01:25:28
Yeah. They ai. You know? I gave gave Hunter a pardon. Yeah. But but Hunter’s Hunter didn’t need a pardon. Was he indicted?
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Well, I mean, he was in trouble for tax evasion.
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01:25:40
Oh, I see.
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There’s a lot of tax problems. He’s he he definitely did some uncool things, and then there’s the Burisma thing. But the crazy thing about his pardon is it starts at the time of him being involved in Burisma. So it’s from 2,011 all the way to today.
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Right.
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That’s that’s what he pardoned him as the the biggest sweeping pardon that anyone’s ever received ever. And Biden’s pardoned more people than anybody ever too.
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Yeah.
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He was already over 8,000 people pardoned.
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Yeah. A lot of criminals on death row and stuff.
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01:26:14
Well, there’s that and but then there’s also people that like the kids for cash judges.
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01:26:19
Mhmm.
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01:26:20
You know, they where they were locking up kids and putting them in child detention centers because they wanted money, and they were doing it for kickbacks.
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01:26:29
Yeah. I saw that. There’s a documentary.
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01:26:31
Yeah. Evil. Again, what we’re talking about, good and evil. Yeah. Like, there these are real things and rational people that profess themselves to be intelligent and secular. They don’t wanna believe in good and evil. They don’t think that they’re they just think people do bad things. People have motivations.
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01:26:49
They do bad things, but they don’t wanna believe in the concept of good and evil because these are biblical concepts.
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They are. Right? Yeah. And I you know, they’ve been around since the beginning.
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And people wanna pretend they’re smarter than the people that sort of embrace these biblical concepts.
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Ai. Or yeah. I think, that goes into evolution. It doesn’t. Yeah. Are we smarter than our grandparents? You know? I don’t know.
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01:27:13
Well, we are about some things, but we can’t survive the way they did. Nope. They’re obviously intelligent.
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Yeah.
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Just they didn’t have access to information the way we do. But there’s a difference between information and intelligence.
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Sure. Yeah. I don’t have many devices for information. I read books. I read mostly history books. Yeah? Yeah. Oh, I gotta recommend the book to you.
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01:27:36
Okay.
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It’s fascinating and it’s, Ai it’s called The Frontiersman and it’s about a guy called Simon Kenton. You ever hear this guy?
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01:27:47
No. Woah.
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And it was written by a guy who’s now deceased, his name is Saloni Eckert, and it is really about opening up Ohio and Kentucky and places like
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01:28:00
that
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with this ai, Simon Kenton, who was just an Irish immigrant. He wasn’t much for farming and stuff, but he thought he killed a guy And so he ran away because he thought he’d be indicted for some crime or something, and he ended up being this frontiersman. And it is it’s a very interesting document because you get the history of what was going on at the time when the country was opening up Mhmm.
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01:28:29
Between the settlers and the Indians, you know, the Shawnee. Mhmm. One of the most brutal books I’ve ever read.
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01:28:37
Really?
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01:28:38
Oh, it’s it’s very well done and it has a narrative, but it’s reconstructed from his, you know, all kinds of historical documents and letters and diaries and all this kind of stuff. So I think the guy took about 15 years to sort of ai all this stuff and write it. And the first half of the book is about this ai, Simon Kenton, and the second half is about Tecumseh, you know, the chief. Really great book.
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01:29:02
One of the one of the most fascinating books I’ve read. You can’t put it down. Really? Meh. Because it’s just like it’s like little chapters.
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01:29:08
I’m gonna get that right now.
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01:29:09
Yeah.
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01:29:09
Have you ever read the Empire of the Summer Moon? Nope. Ai of the Summer Moon is, about the Comanche.
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01:29:17
Oh, yeah.
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01:29:17
And it’s all about the settling of this area. Right. It’s fucking incredible. Ai, again, one of the most brutal books ever. Sai this is The Frontiersman?
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01:29:27
The Frontiersman by Saloni Eckert. Yeah. I’m
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01:29:33
gonna check that right now just so that I make sure that I have it.
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01:29:37
Yeah. And it’s all in little bite sized chunks. And it actually, for a history book, it has this incredible narrative with heroes and villains and and, all the players. Very interesting document.
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01:29:57
I’m getting it right now. Yeah.
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01:30:00
Oh, yeah. Don’t read it before bed. No? No. It gets pretty it gets pretty dark.
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01:30:08
Why why are you, so drawn to history?
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01:30:12
I don’t know. I think because maybe I’m trying to learn something. It’s been about 80 years since the last big war.
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01:30:18
Mhmm. Saloni Eckert. Got it.
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01:30:24
I think I just wanna learn. You know? I mean, my dad went to World War 2. He went to Guadalcanal. Right? He got bit by mosquitoes. He had, you know, malaria, which is interesting to note that he used to take hydroxychloroquine and they meh a malaria attack.
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01:30:39
Crazy?
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01:30:40
And then when I tried when my doctor recommended Ai get it when I had COVID, they gouge me 800 it used to cost him $30. They wanted $800 for for they were gouging.
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01:30:52
Well, not only that. When Trump talked about it, then all of a bryden, they demonized it.
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01:30:57
Yeah. Yeah. They laughed.
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01:30:59
Yeah. Which is crazy because it’s an antiviral. It works. Yeah. It works on malaria.
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01:31:03
Yeah.
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Yeah. And people have been taking it forever.
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01:31:06
Sure. Pregnant women can take it if they have the flu, and it doesn’t hurt the baby. You know? It’s pretty safe. It’s like Ivermectin. You know?
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01:31:12
But that’s what’s so bizarre about the time that we just went through because there’s more information now available to people instantaneously than ever before.
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01:31:18
Yeah.
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You look it up on your phone, you instantly know, oh, Ivermectin, the guy who created it, won the Nobel Prize.
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Yeah. 2014. Yeah.
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15. Yeah. For you as human beings.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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01:31:27
So what the fuck is going on? Yep. Like, how who’s running this thing?
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01:31:33
And it’s harmless. And it wasn’t made for horses. It was made for people, and then they used it for horses. Right. Right? So Well,
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it’s like saying penicillin is for horses because they use that on horses horses too. Like, that’s stupid.
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They told me it was ram moldy bread.
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01:31:45
That’s what it was from. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But, I mean, there’s a lot of medications used on animals too. You can’t say it’s a veterinary medication just because it’s also used on animals.
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01:31:54
No. That’s
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true. It’s been used on literally prescribed billions of times on human beings.
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01:31:59
Yeah. It’s like the stem cell stuff. They started using it on horses with emphysematic lung conditions, racehorses, because they would bleed. And they got the stem cells from the from the umbilical cords of their offspring injected, injured them, and it healed their lungs, which is part of my story.
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Mhmm.
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Because I smoked for 45 years and I couldn’t stop. And I read this silly book by Saloni Carr, not the little guy who, you know, managed the village people in the caftan, little fat ai, but no. This other guy, Alan Arya. And he wrote this book, and it’s the only thing ai made me stop. So it worked like crazy.
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01:32:37
But the book
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01:32:39
made you stop? Like, what was
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01:32:40
The book made me stop. What is the book? It was the book called The Easy Way to Stop Smoking, and it’s a silly title. Right? And it was sad that my son gave it to me. He sai, stop smoking, dad. Here here’s this book. I left it on. I used to walk past the bookshelf and go, dumb book, dumb title, you know. And then I finally my doctor said, you have first stage emphysema.
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And I’m like, you gotta be kidding me. He sai, yeah, you gotta keep this muscle. I ai, yeah, I better read this book. So I read the book and I stopped. Right? So it was, I think it was like neuro linguistic programming or something like that.
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01:33:13
You read it and you’re kind of self hypnotize yourself, but it worked. What did the book tell you?
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01:33:17
Ai,
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it said, it didn’t tell you you’re bad. You’re, you know, you’re gonna die. It didn’t tell you all that sort of stuff. It was like I mean, they had things ai maybe maybe I’m blowing it, but, they had a chapter where it says, okay. We focused on the negative aspects speak speak in the next chapter. And then you turn the page and the page is empty. You know? And it’s just a trick.
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01:33:45
It’s a mind trick. The whole thing was a mind trick, but it worked, and I don’t know why it worked. But it was all sort of ai self hypnosis while you’re reading the book. And it wasn’t a negative thing, ai, I gotta stop this. It’s bad. It’s bad.
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01:33:57
I’m I’m scared. It wasn’t even that. In fact, if I hadn’t had the stem cells afterwards, my lungs completely healed from that, by the way.
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01:34:04
Did it do it intravenously?
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Yeah. Intravenous. And it gets stuck in your lungs.
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01:34:09
And it Was this doctor Reardon?
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01:34:10
That was Reardon. Yeah. That we talked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It worked.
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01:34:13
Stem cells are incredible. And the fact that you can’t get them the way they can get them in overseas,
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01:34:17
the way we
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01:34:18
can get it in Panama where Reardon has his clinic in Sana. They’re getting better here. They’re getting better, but there’s so much resistance because the FDA.
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01:34:26
Yeah. Sure.
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01:34:27
And the resistance is purely because of money. It’s, again, it’s an evil thing. It’s not because they’re they’re not effective. It’s not because they’re dangerous.
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01:34:33
Mhmm.
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01:34:34
It’s just because of money.
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01:34:35
I think so. And, you know, there’s an agenda. I think, you know, pharma wants to keep you on stuff. Yeah. They wanna sell you something. So if there’s a a surefire cure for something, it’s not necessarily hailed.
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01:34:50
No. Well and then there’s also the problem with the media. The media is lock step in with these businesses that are promoting these things.
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01:34:58
Yes.
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01:34:59
And they’re not giving you information. They’re giving you propaganda before they’re giving you information. Propaganda is more important to them than information. Yeah. And that’s what’s crazy. It’s ai we we’re counting on you guys, and you fucked us. You fucked us for 4 years with this COVID thing, and now you expect us to listen to you about the fucking swine flu or the bird flu or whatever other thing you’re trying to freak us out about, which always coincides with some sort of a political event.
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01:35:24
Like, here it is, the inauguration of the new president, and, oh, look at this. There’s a new disease.
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01:35:30
What do we got now? What is it? No. Do you think there will be? Be?
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01:35:34
Well, there is.
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01:35:34
There’s this fucking swine flu.
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01:35:37
H ai n one, whatever
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01:35:38
it is. It was bird flu.
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01:35:39
1 bird flu. 1 person died. 1 person in America, 1st person died. 65 years old with a bunch of comorbidities.
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01:35:46
Yeah. Okay.
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01:35:47
And which is usually what it is. But the by the way, 65 people with a bunch of comorbidities die all the time of nothing. They die of anything. Any I mean, this is like a car that’s falling apart and you run over a nail and, oh, the nail killed the car. No. That car was falling the fuck apart. Yeah. Like, the the nail you ran over was the last nail in the coffin, but the thing was falling apart.
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01:36:08
Ai got COVID from my gardener, and he had it first, and then I got it. And I was like, ah, did I grab the hose or what? You know, what was I don’t know. But, it was, it was I knew the guy for 20 years, and we both went to the same hospital. And he died and I didn’t. Jesus. I think we both got remdesivir, which is not good. Not good. Not good. Causes kidney failure. I know.
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01:36:34
I I couldn’t walk for 3 months after I had that stuff. Really? Because it kills you. I found that afterwards, it kills you, and that’s why I wonder about Fauci. You know?
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01:36:42
Oh, you should wonder about that guy. When meanwhile, they were trying to stop people from getting monoclonal antibodies.
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01:36:47
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:36:48
Yeah. They’ve restricted monoclonal antibodies, which is fucking insane because they wanted to promote that vaccine because they wanted to profit off of it, which brings us back again to evil. Mhmm. Evil’s real. It’s real. Putting money over human lives is evil.
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01:37:03
I agree.
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It’s a it’s a real thing, and there’s a there’s a temptation to do it too, which is even more crazy. Yeah.
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01:37:10
Ai don’t believe that there is anything that can afflict mankind that hasn’t got a natural cure for it. I think that there has to be. It just makes sense to me. Now Ai couldn’t prove that, but I just believe that. Yeah. That there’s gotta be something that cures things. And I’ll tell you a good story.
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01:37:30
Okay.
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01:37:32
I have 3 friends. All 3 of them had stage 4 cancer. All 3 of them don’t have cancer right now at all. And they had some serious stuff going on.
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01:37:44
And what did they take?
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01:37:46
Jesus. They took some what you’ve heard they’ve taken?
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01:37:52
Ivermectin Fenbendazole. Bendazole. Yeah. That’s Yeah. I’m hearing that a lot.
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01:37:58
They drank hydrochloride something or other.
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01:38:00
There’s studies on those now where people have proven that
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01:38:03
they drinking methylene blue and stuff like that.
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01:38:05
Yeah. Methylene blue, which was a fabric dye. Yeah. Yeah. It was a textile dye. And now they find it has profound effects on your mitochondria.
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01:38:13
Yep. Yeah. This stuff works, man.
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01:38:18
There’s a lot of stuff that does work, which is very strange
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01:38:20
Mhmm.
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01:38:21
Because, again, it’s profit. When you when you hear about things that are demonized and then it they turn out to be effective, you always wonder, well, what is going on here?
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01:38:31
Mhmm.
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01:38:32
How is how is our medical institutions? How have they failed us so that things that do cure you are not promoted because they’re not profitable? That They can’t control it. They don’t have a patent on it, whether it’s vitamin d, k 2, and magnesium. Yep. You know? Well, yeah. I’m Zinc and course it.
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01:38:50
All that stuff.
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01:38:50
I do all that stuff.
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01:38:51
Yeah. Did you do the Bryden thing? Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I lost
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01:38:55
I do all that stuff.
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01:38:56
I lost, like, £30. Right?
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01:38:57
It’s fantastic.
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01:38:57
I was talking to Dana, and he said, oh, you know, I was a and he and I said, yeah. I gotta do something about this. Ai, like, I’m 510, 235. You know? That’s too fat.
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01:39:06
Yeah. So I
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had to I had to sort of roll it back some. Now I’m under 200, which is about That’s great. Should be. You know? But and it was that, breakfast stuff.
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01:39:15
Mhmm. No. Gary’s a national treasure. Yeah. Ai he’s shah on all over the place too.
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01:39:20
Oh, sure. Yeah. Go in a sana, but I feel better.
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01:39:22
Oh, yeah. Oh, I do all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Cold plunge, sauna. I’m ritualistic with it.
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01:39:29
Yeah.
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01:39:29
That’s good. It’s part of my everyday life.
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01:39:31
You I hear your your cold plunge is, like, 30, 40. I don’t understand that, though. I mean, dude, I’m 34 degrees.
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01:39:38
Yeah. Woah. Yeah. It’s cold.
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01:39:40
That’s hardcore.
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01:39:41
Yeah. You get accustomed to it. It to me is not. Ai mean, it sucks. Every time I do it, I’m like, don’t do it. Don’t there’s like the part of me that’s like my inner bitch. It’s like, oh, we don’t have to do this. We don’t have to do this. But luckily, the general is stronger than the inner bitch.
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01:39:54
The general is always telling, shut the fuck up
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01:39:57
ai get
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01:39:57
in there, and I just get in there every day. But I do, like, 48, man. That inner bitch is always talking, though. He never shuts up. No. Never shuts up. Don’t ever think that it like, even though I do it every day, anybody is ai, I don’t know how you do it. I don’t know how I do it either, but I fucking do it. I make sure I do it. I just I’m the boss.
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01:40:13
Yeah. Do you do the saunas too? Oh, yeah. Do you do the red light bed? I
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01:40:18
have a red light bed. Yeah. I have a sauna, red light bed. I have a hyperbaric chamber. Wow. I have everything.
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01:40:23
I have baric chambers as a basement.
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01:40:25
It’s incredible. Ai work.
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01:40:27
I gotta get back in there. I feel like I got more holes in my head.
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01:40:30
It’s phenomenal for just overall recovery of for everything, and it’s it’s also been shown to lengthen telomeres. They did a study out of Israel. Yeah. They gave people a protocol over 90 days. You do 60 sessions of 90 minutes over 90 days. Yeah. And it’s shown to lengthen telomeres and decrease your biological age.
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01:40:48
Okay. And you just feel fucking great.
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01:40:50
That makes sense to me.
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01:40:51
Yeah. Yeah. You’re flooding your body with oxygen. Most diseases, a lot of them come from a lack of oxygen. You know, your body not having enough oxygen is very bad for you.
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01:41:01
Yeah. I used to have a qigong master. This is what kinda blows my mind about medicine and about ancient stuff.
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01:41:12
Mhmm.
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01:41:12
This guy is from Shanghai. He didn’t speak much English. Right? A little bit. His wife would translate for him, and he’d come in and he could, like, point at you, right, from this far away and you’d feel it. But, like, feel it, like, to the as palpable as someone pushing you around. It’s ai Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m not kidding.
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01:41:35
You’re like
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01:41:35
What year was this when this is happening?
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01:41:37
Oh, shit. I met him when I was, like, 40. Yeah. He only just passed away. Damn. Too bad. I’d like to meet that guy. Oh, no. There’s people like him. There are others ai it. Oh, yeah. He’s not the only one. He learned it from somebody, and I think he I think he imparted some knowledge.
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01:41:52
But, you know, he would get you and he could he could, like, point at you and stuff like that. And it it makes you wonder, like, how did they build the pyramids, you ai. I mean, if if he can use his mind and kinda get into quantum physics and move shit around with thought and with energy.
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01:42:09
There’s actual energy coming out of his fingers. They could have built the pyramids like that. I don’t know. Maybe somebody had that down somewhere.
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01:42:17
But Well, I’d like to hear a better explanation.
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01:42:19
Me too. Well, it’s it was really weird. I he, one time he was working on me and he was working on my liver. He said your liver’s blocked because he looks at you. And if you look at him, he looks away and his wife engages you while he checks you out. And then he gives you a little body map and he puts x’s all over it and you go, yeah. That’s right.
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01:42:40
I got a pain here and a thing there. You know, he knows where everything is. He knows exactly what’s going on.
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01:42:45
Did you ask him what he’s is he seeing your aura? Like, what is he seeing?
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01:42:47
Everything. He sees everything. He was an allopathic doctor first. He went to medical school. He could write your prescription. He could do all that stuff. He was a doctor. And then he saw a chikung master, this old guy, and people were lining up getting cured, and he thought that’s really interesting.
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01:43:04
And he learned that on top of being an allopathic doctor. So one day, he’s at me on my back and he’s pushing and I can feel my back ai I’m at the wall and there’s a poster of a film on the wall, you know, ai office. And I’m looking at and I can see him in the background and he’s ai down like this, like, ah, ai, like kung fu pointing pointing rays of energy at me.
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01:43:28
And he hit meh. He started yelling at my organ, at my liver, like, get out. You know, whatever. And I I went up the wall and there was, like, 8 inches of air under my heels. And I was up the wall and I was like, woah.
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01:43:42
And I came back down. It freaked me out. And he I looked at him and he just went, he sai, don’t ai. It’s just science like that. Just science.
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01:43:51
Okay. Just science? Yeah. Just science. And I was so freaked out. I went to a priest. I said, is this guy demonic or something?
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01:43:58
Because he’s lifting me off the wall. And the priest was ai he was an old Jesuit. Right? A traditional old guy. And he was he was a cross between Jimmy Stewart and Elmer Fudd, you know. That’s that’s the way he sounded.
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01:44:12
And I said, is this anything like, demonic about this ai? Like, put he says, woah. Woah. Woah. Did did he heal you? Like that. And I said, why? Yes.
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01:44:21
He did. And he said, that’s alright then. And he says, I have no trouble with something like that because it was it was within the realm of possibility that somebody had power like that, and that it’s inexplicable, but that it works. And it did work. He yeah. He just passed away. He was pretty old.
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01:44:41
There was a a place that you know, I bought a comedy club out here. And before, the building that we bought was the Ritz Theater on sixth Street.
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01:44:49
Mhmm.
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01:44:50
But before that, I was under contract to another building, and then this other building was owned by a cult. And this is a crazy story. The cult was awful, horrible. It’s there’s a documentary on it. It’s called Holy Hell. And this guy who was a gay porn star and a hypnotist, he was a yoga instructor, got a bunch of people in in West Hollywood and then eventually moved them all out here to Austin.
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01:45:13
But what this guy was doing, one of the things that he would do to his disciples is he would do a thing called the knowing and they had to be chosen for it, they had to earn it. And when he would get them and bestow the knowing upon them, he would touch their head, and they would have this incredible experience where they said they contacted God.
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01:45:34
Now all these people denounced him eventually. They left the cult. They all said he was a con man and this and that, but they all talked about that experience, and they said it was the most profound experience of their life that they really do feel like they came in contact with God.
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01:45:50
And it’s ai, what can a person if a person truly believes and this other person truly believes that they can do this to them and they have this moment and something does happen, like, what is is that all inside of us? Do people have ways of pulling that out of you that we’ve lost track of that we don’t know?
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01:46:11
And even an evil person who’s running a cult and manipulating people and exploiting people, still has this thing that he was able to do to them that even after they’ve admitted that this guy exploited them, they sai that was the most profound moment of their life.
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01:46:26
That’s interesting, isn’t it? Yeah. Because I think, yeah, there are party tricks that you can get.
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01:46:35
Right. But is that that party trick if it really is a pathway to connect you at least temporarily with God, that there is a thing inside of
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01:46:45
of us. Well, that’s why I went to the priest because I thought Right. Because I’m off the floor. Right. So I thought I gotta check this out because this is too weird. And he said, did he heal you? And I said, he did. And he said, that’s alright then. Because the guy wasn’t trying to get anything out of me. Right. In fact, he never charged me. Really?
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01:47:04
The first time I went to see him, he charged me. And it was ai, okay. And then he never charged me again. And he used to call me when I was sick. Really? I wouldn’t call him. He knew when I was sick. He’d call me. He sai, yeah.
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01:47:19
I need to come see you. I’m like, okay.
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01:47:21
So he had, like, some sort of a direct line with your energy?
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01:47:24
Something. Pretty amazing. Yeah. And and and he could oh, this is the other thing. He could teach you martial arts, like, quickly without you having to know what to do. It was a weird thing. He did it firstly with my son who he got him for a couple of weeks and, like, he sai, I’m about to show you something.
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01:47:43
And I went out there and he blindfolded me. He had these two swords and he was doing all this, you know, this crazy stuff. I’m like, what the I said, how did he how did he learn that so fast? He sai, it was in him. I’m like, woah.
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01:47:55
And then he started to he started to do a thing that he taught me how to harness this energy and to actually begin what seemed to be almost ai involuntary movement and depending on the hand mode you took, it would create a style of of kata or self defense. I mean, I used to do, like, some I used to do a crude martial art, not crude, but ai a a hard martial art. What was it? Kyokushinkai. Okay.
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01:48:24
Yeah.
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01:48:25
You know, way back. Kyokushinkarate.
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01:48:27
Yeah. Yeah. I think it’s Korean.
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01:48:29
It’s Japanese.
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01:48:30
It is? Yeah. I can’t remember. But it’s ai, you know, I didn’t stick with it. But it was, but but he he he got this whole other approach of breathing and visualizations that would actually draw energy into your lower chakras and then you’d, you know, you’d release the energy and it would create this kind of movement.
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01:48:53
And I showed it to a friend of mine who was a martial artist sana I said, tell me about the footwork I’m doing here and what I’m doing. And he looked at me and he sai, that looks really good to me. I sai, it’s it was kind of like, what’s that really soft kind of mark?
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01:49:05
Tai chi.
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01:49:06
It was like that. I was doing stuff like that. It was crazy.
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01:49:09
And it
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01:49:10
was really a great release, but it was about visualization and breath. Yeah. And the release of those that energy that you pent up from all around that you visualized coming manifesting itself in you.
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01:49:26
There’s gotta be something to all that stuff. People have been practicing Ai Chi for a long time. Yeah. They wouldn’t be practicing to save movements for all these years if it didn’t do something.
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01:49:35
Yeah. Pretty interesting. Yeah. It keeps people young and healthy. They do it in China. You see groups of people out in in Asia sort of out there in groups doing all in unison. It’s ai it’s a good thing. Exercise. Yeah.
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01:49:50
What do you do now for exercise?
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01:49:51
Oh, gosh. I’m terrible. I’ve been I’ve come off I’m falling apart. I got this I got dead dead ai parts in my shoulder. I’ve got, you know, cadaver parts. This shoulder fell apart. This shoulder fell a hip, a foot. It was terrible. I couldn’t walk for about a year almost.
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01:50:09
Really?
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01:50:10
And so, you know, you fall down. That’s partially why I had to go and see Breckett. I sort of get the couch potato stuff off. But, you know, I I lift weights and I do some, you know, walking and stuff like that, like, really get your heart rate up and stuff like that. So, you know, I’m trying. Hey. I’m I’m, you know, I’m 69 years old. So it’s ai it’s getting to ai, like, 7 decades or if, you know. Yeah.
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01:50:37
But I wanna stay fit if I can. And I Ai banged myself up a little too much in my early life, so I’m paying for it now. And, like, in your sixties, man, you’re not there yet, but stuff starts, like, giving up on you. Yep. It’s like No.
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01:50:53
I feel it in my fifties.
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01:50:55
Oh, yeah. How how old are
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01:50:56
you? 57.
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01:50:58
58 is when it starts, man.
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01:51:00
Oh, Jesus.
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01:51:00
Yeah. That’s what I that’s what I that’s what that’s what I first noticed it. It was like, oh, what’s going on with this here? The shoulder. And ai I went down to Reardon, of course. Mhmm. We shot it up stem cells, and it was good for, like, 2 years.
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01:51:12
You know? You just gotta keep going back.
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01:51:14
Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t go back often enough.
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01:51:16
That’s the thing. I think it’s just your body’s just not gonna heal the way it did when you were younger unless you consistently get therapy for that. Yeah.
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01:51:23
Yeah. You’re in good shape, though. Yeah. I mean yeah. So I was in reasonable shape at 58, and, I think I’m in reasonable shape now. But I’m I’m just, you know, it’s just trying to push the old man off and use various methods to do it. You know?
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01:51:38
Yeah. That’s what it is. Keep the body as young as you possibly can. Yeah. Yeah. And demand a lot from it. That’s what I do.
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01:51:46
Yeah. Uh-huh.
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01:51:47
I just demand a lot and make sure I recover.
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01:51:50
I think a lot of it’s about meditation too. Mhmm. You know? You can actually, get into a good headspace that kinda cools you out and stops the stress even no matter what’s going on. I’m gonna have to do it tonight when I find out whether I still have a home or not. You know? Yeah.
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01:52:07
So
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01:52:07
Well, if anything looks demonic, it’s the fires in Los Angeles.
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01:52:11
Yeah.
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01:52:11
I remember, one time meh were filming Fear Factor and we had to drive home. We shah to cancel the shoot or end it early and drive home because the fires had hit. And this is, like, we were off to 5 and driving home for 50 minutes on the highway. The right side of the highway was in flames. Yeah.
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Like Lord of the Rings, like Sauron is coming over the top. It looked fucking insane. It look it’s biblical.
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Yeah.
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It looks insane.
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And you gotta be careful too because you could die in something
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else 100%.
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Breathe? I mean, come
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on. If you can’t breathe or if the cars in front of you catch fire and the wind blows this way and all the cars catch fire and you can’t get off the road because the to the right ai you is on fire, to the left you is on fire, and the fire is coming up the highway.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. People have died that way.
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And it can happen in an instant. Yep. I got I got hung once by mistake. I I and it was I was on a a film sai, and I was I had my neck in a noose and I and I was directing the film. So I was I’m on a ladder and I’m like, so I’ll just be hanging here like ai. And then the next thing I knew I was waking up, I was on the floor, you know.
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And there were all these people standing over looking at me and I’m saying, what are you people doing? Get to work. You know, it was like and they said, well, you hung yourself. I said, woah. You’re kidding meh. It happens in an instant and you don’t know it.
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It wasn’t painful. Nothing. I was just gone.
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01:53:32
Well, you probably got choked out.
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Yeah. Choked out by the by the noose, and then they grabbed me by the legs and got the rope off and Jesus. Ai, during Braveheart, it was
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01:53:41
Oh, really? Oh, wow.
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It was funny. So Ai I found out what it was like to sort of go into the next realm. But, of course, we we did, Ai I was fortunate enough to work with with Horian Gracie ai years ago. Yeah. You know, he’d just come from Brazil.
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Well, I remember when you were doing lethal weapon. It was the first time I’d ever seen jiu jitsu in a movie.
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A leg choke on film. Yeah. He taught yeah. Horian taught me the leg choke. He sai, now you grab your foot and you Yeah. Okay. And it was, it was cool, but it was, now my girlfriend does it, and she’s like a purple belt. So I’ve learned Really? Yeah. I’ve learned not to talk back. Legit. Yeah. She’s legit.
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Purple belt’s legit. Purple belt is basically a black belt. You just need a little bit more time.
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Yep. If you
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can get I always tell all jujitsu students, if you can get to purple belt, you are a black belt. You’re gonna be a black belt.
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Oh, she will.
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You just gotta stay on that path.
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No. She is. She’s obsessed with it. Yeah. And she’s, you know, as I say, I don’t talk back to her.
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I think the purple belt is the hardest belt to get to.
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It is. Because it’s just
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ai in the beginning, you’re just getting crushed.
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01:54:44
Mhmm.
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That’s jujitsu, especially for women. It’s so difficult for women because they don’t have the physical strength that the men have. Yeah.
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01:54:50
It’s because
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you can kinda get away with a lot. If you’re a big strong guy, you can get away with a of shit. But then by the time you get to purple belt, like, man, you have to have real technique, and you have to have a real understanding of what’s going on.
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01:55:03
She got a good ai, and I think she’s ai like a chess player.
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01:55:07
It is like that.
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Because I know from fighting with her. She she wins arguments when she’s wrong. So
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01:55:17
Sometimes you let them win, though. Right?
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01:55:18
You have to.
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Just ai you gotta walk away.
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01:55:20
Oh, yeah. Sometimes it’s like,
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you gotta go. Okay.
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It’s my second thought and my first action.
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01:55:25
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah.
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01:55:29
But she got the purple belt.
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01:55:30
That’s amazing.
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01:55:31
Yeah. Good for her. Yeah. It’s good for her.
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01:55:33
Yeah. Yeah. A woman black belt, that’s an unbelievably exceptional woman. Mhmm. They can get to that because they have to roll with meh, and it’s just a Oh, she does. Disadvantage.
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01:55:43
Big dudes and stuff. Mhmm. And she’s ai, you know, she Yeah. She’s done some exceptional things Ai heard. So it’s like, yeah, it’s pretty good.
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01:55:52
That’s awesome.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t follow it up.
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01:55:56
You could still do it.
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No. I’m a more baseball bat gun kind of guy. You know? I’m in trouble. I just think, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah.
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01:56:03
Well, be careful with that in California. Yeah.
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01:56:05
You wind
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up being in jail.
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01:56:06
Yeah. That’s true.
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You wind up using it to protect yourself and
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01:56:09
to lock you up. Yes. It’s,
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01:56:11
Which is also evil.
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01:56:12
Mhmm. Yeah. That happens a bit. Yeah. Mhmm. Oh, well, it’s yeah. Yeah. There’s a perverse nature in in our society right now with the law.
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01:56:22
You know, when you look at your life now and you’re on your 3rd act as you’re saying, like, what what do you look forward to these days? Is it creating things?
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It’s creation. Yeah. Yeah. I think it is. It’s about creation, and Ai figure Ai not I’m I’m pretty average at most things, but I’m good at a couple of things. You know? I I know how to tell a story on film. I know how to do that. I don’t know.
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That’s a weird place to be, but I think, a lot can be achieved by art and image, and you can convey a lot without actually having to say it. You can do things to affect people emotionally or spiritually even without being overt. I always I always like to reference a, just a shot that and it’s in a Ridley Scott movie. Right?
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01:57:23
And you don’t know why it works, but or ai it’s effective on some level, but it’s it’s kind of a profound effective shot. Mhmm. And it’s that first shot in the Gladiator movie where he’s running his hand over the wheat. Mhmm. Right? Mhmm. With that music and stuff. Why does that work?
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01:57:42
I don’t know. You can’t explain it, but it works.
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01:57:46
Well, Ridley Scott is a master. Yeah. They’re that’s a that’s a visionary human being.
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01:57:52
Mhmm.
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01:57:52
He sees things.
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01:57:53
He knows how to shoot.
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01:57:55
Yeah. Yeah. And that
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01:57:56
and that is that’s really good. It’s it’s a valid pursuit, I think, in storytelling, if you can do that. Everything every time he goes out there, it’s it’s eye candy. It’s a feast for the eyes. You know?
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01:58:09
Do you have different goals with, like, different projects? Like, obviously, flight risk is entertainment. It’s fun. It’s entertaining. Entertainment.
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01:58:16
Yeah. And, meh, different goals. And it was the other thing too is it’s ai we’re living in a different time now in the film world. I mean, everything’s upside down and and you have to compete in a medium where you have less time, less money. Do it fast. Do it now. And it’s like, wow. Can I do that?
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01:58:36
I always had the luxury of, like, you know, big budget and 3,000 people on horses, all this kind of stuff or, you know, and and was able to take my time with stuff, but I had 22 days. And here here you gotta tell the story in 22 days. So I felt the challenge of being able to do that and being able to make something that really got people, like, they could watch it and enjoy it.
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01:59:02
You know? And I’m glad you saw it. I’m glad you liked it. And that’s all I want. I just want people to have a nice little ride, a fun ai, entertainment. But, yes, you have different goals with things.
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01:59:13
I mean, the next thing I’m gonna tackle is more profound for me. It’s gonna take more out of me. This is the resurrection story? Yeah. And I even had to change my entire life
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01:59:25
to do it. How so?
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01:59:29
You can’t go into a project as profound in nature as that without somehow preparing yourself for it. It’s like it’s like preparing for a ai, you know. It’s like you have to be fit for the ai. And yeah. So you have to spiritually prepare yourself for vatsal. And and that’s that’s gonna take some ai.
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01:59:52
And, because, you know, well, you know, I profess this and I profess that. I’m not a great example of Christianity, you know. I’m just, you know, I’m flawed and I make a lot of mistakes, but I have to try and be better somehow in order to go in and make that film. So what does that mean? I think I know what it means, you know.
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02:00:15
Well, one of the things that I thought was, fascinating was reading, and listening to Jim Caviezel talk about his experience playing Christ in your film. Yeah. Just truly changed that guy’s the course of his whole life.
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02:00:28
Well, it was fascinating to watch him work actually. And most of the ai, I just, like, backed away because he was doing something that and I’ve seen a lot of people portray Jesus in films. Right? And I never buy it. You you can’t quite buy it. Right. Something creeps in the color that’s not something something’s not right or discordant.
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02:00:53
And some of them are pretty good, but you never quite believe it all the way. What
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02:00:59
was the Willem Dafoe movie?
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02:01:00
Oh, that was a Scorsese film.
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02:01:03
Right. What was that, called?
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02:01:05
The Last Temptation.
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02:01:06
That’s right. That’s right.
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02:01:07
Which interestingly enough, I was in a hotel in the Savoy, and I had food poisoning. I was near dead from I ate a bad oyster in Bryden, and I was dying in a hotel ram, and I couldn’t even leave. It was the worst. I think it was like salmonella or something. And I saw this cord on the side of the meh, and I pulled it.
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02:01:29
And all of a sudden, a door opened up and a butler ai Jeeves came in. He says, yes, sir. And I’m like, woah. And I said, I’m really sick. I said, what do you think I should eat? Might I suggest some warm meh and a cup of tea. Sai okay.
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02:01:45
So this butler took care of me in this hotel. But while I was there, Scorsese calls the room ram she’s, come here. I wanna talk. So I go in and talk to Arya, and he’s in his room and all the windows, the screens are drawn. He’s got 18 different TVs going on at the same time in this dark ram.
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02:02:00
And he’s talking to me about the last Temptation of Ai, and he wants me to play Jesus. And I said Woah. I’m not doing it. And I I sort of got out of there. And then I went to my ram, and they changed my room. Now this is really weird.
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02:02:18
They had changed my room and moved my stuff. And they told me they were gonna do it, but I forgot. So I’m using a key to get into my room, and it won’t work. And the door opens up all of a sudden, and it’s Keith Richards in this underpants standing there staring through me like like and he and there’s a girl in a mink coat walking around it.
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02:02:37
Mink coat and nothing else walking in the background. And and Keith Richards standing there in his underpants with a spliff. And and I’m like, I I tried to explain that I thought it was my room, but it wasn’t. And, you know, it was ridiculous. I’m 26 years old.
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02:02:51
And he just looks at me ai he shuts the door in my face. I thought, well, that was my that was my meeting with Keith Richards. He slammed the door in my face. I was like, fantastic. You know? Anyway but what were these talking about?
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02:03:04
Cavizo, Cavizo. Christ.
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02:03:06
He did something, I think, that nobody else did, and I think he pulled it off because I told I totally, like, believed it. I believed it too. And it was ai, what did he do? He emptied himself out. Yeah. And he invited something else in, and he left it. He he just he didn’t try anything.
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02:03:27
He just he emptied himself out and he meditated, and he let Christ in.
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02:03:33
And that role seemed to have had a profound effect on him It did. As a human being.
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02:03:38
Oh, absolutely.
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02:03:39
And kind of fucked him up in his career A little bit. Because people associated him entirely with that film, and then they associated him with Christianity, and then they associated him with ai wing politics. And
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02:03:53
Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, he he got sidetracked by a few guys. I mean, there’s some people out there who are ai they get in your ear and it’s like it’s like Cassius, you know, talking. Right. And they get you to just make a speech somewhere, and ai day, you know, it’s like, you know, ai throwing eggs at you. Yeah.
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02:04:10
And you wonder, you know, should I even be saying this? And, so he stepped on a bunch of land ai. But, yeah, it did have a profound effect on him. But I think he was all he’s he was already mostly there anyway. And I noticed that because I when I was trying to cast it, I thought who could play this?
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02:04:29
And I saw the opening shot from Terry Malek’s film, which was The Thin Red Line. Mhmm. And, and it was just a big close-up of Greville. And there was something otherworldly and childlike going on there in the close-up. And I thought, who’s that guy? He’s amazing. Of course, he couldn’t keep the blue eyes.
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02:04:49
You had to you had to trade them out. So I I changed the color of his eyes to brown and and all that stuff. So it looked like he came from the region.
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02:04:57
Right.
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02:04:58
But, amazing. But he already had a quality, an ethereal kind of other world in this space cadet quality
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02:05:08
Yeah.
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02:05:08
That And he’s he’s still kinda like that. He’s still like, wow.
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02:05:12
Yeah. He’s you know, I I sana I wish I had met him or Ai haven’t met him still, but I wish I’d seen him before and then after. You know, to see, like, what did that role change him? Because it seemed to have strengthened his faith.
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02:05:28
Sure. It did. Yeah. Yeah. He got he got in real tight with it, and I think he had some experiences while he was doing it. He suffered a little, you know. And,
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02:05:38
didn’t he get struck by lightning?
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02:05:40
Well, there’s 2 times there was these lightning strikes happening on the set, you know. And there was this guy with him. He was a young fellow, one of the assistants on the film. His name was, Sana, and old Jan was ai, he’s a, like, 6 foot 2 Italian northern Italian ai. You know?
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02:05:59
If he tripped in the street, women would slide under him. You know? It was that kind of stuff. The guy was ai a babe magnet. Right?
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02:06:05
And, and I think he was taking full advantage of the gifts he had. But he got hit by lightning the first time getting people. We were out on the hill and there was a lightning storm, like, with the crosses and stuff.
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02:06:18
Oh, Jesus.
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02:06:19
And, and the the this guy called Cieppo, he was a grip and he never spoke a word to me the whole time. He’s just a quiet ai of guy. And I figured, oh, he doesn’t know English. Sai, you know, but he came up to me and in perfect English, he said, you know, I think you should get all the people off the hill.
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02:06:36
We could be struck by lightning. And I thought, oh, that’s a good idea. Let’s get off the hill. So we’re moving off the hill. Everybody’s getting off, and this kid gets hit through the umbrella, this yawn guy. He gets zapped by lightning. Right? But he’s 22.
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02:06:51
And he goes to the disco all ai, and dad you know, he’s doing the whole, you know, 22 experience. And he he comes back the next sai. He’s like, yeah. It was great. And then he was with Jim the 2nd time it happened.
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02:07:04
But this time, I found him in a Fiat bambino with his knees up around his ears, like, waiting for the 3rd strike. He was like, this this just doesn’t happen twice in the 3rd strike. And he says, I have to change my life. Yeah. Ai sai it was pretty funny.
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02:07:21
Filming that movie must have had a profound effect on a lot of people.
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02:07:24
Right? It did. Yeah.
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02:07:25
Because you were you were doing something that wasn’t just a film. It was.
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02:07:30
Yeah. Verite kind of.
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02:07:32
Yeah. And it was strengthening people’s faith. That film was sai mean, profound success, and a lot of people dismissed the idea of it even. Yes. You know, especially in Hollywood. I mean, you had to self fund all that. Right?
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02:07:45
Yes. It was self funded, and, and it was a a very strange experience, that one, because I and I put the money ai I thought, well, maybe I’ll break even. And it was, then I got these messages back. All the majors wouldn’t distribute it. So I was like, nobody will distribute it. Okay.
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02:08:01
I guess I’ve I’ve lost, you know, the money, but it was worth the experience. And, so, one guy was left in the room at the end when the when the dust settled. It was some guy. He’s, I’ll distribute. And he he had a little company called Newmarket, and they distributed, like, 1 or 2 films before.
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02:08:20
And, I think it was a Charlize Theron movie called a monster about that horrible serial
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02:08:26
killer. Yeah.
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02:08:27
And and, he said, I’ll do it. And, you know, it was just really basics. I went and I met the exhibitors. And, you know, and this guy was, like, the distributor. This little company was just him and a a toothless dog and a fax and an assistant. And it was ai, okay. What’s all the smoke and mirrors about this with between the distribution and exhibition? I met I made handshake deals with all the exhibitors. Yeah.
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02:08:54
We’ll show this. I sai, okay. And then we put it out there and it went out. Nobody expected it to do much, but it did phenomenally well. And, and there was this kind of thing in town in the town. They said, did anyone just see that? Anyone just see what that guy did?
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02:09:14
Can’t let ai guy do that again. And Yeah. We don’t want anyone doing that, you know, because it sort of walked around the entire system Yes. And scored. Right.
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02:09:27
So there was two things. There was resistance to the Christianity aspect of it and promotion of Christianity. Mhmm. And then there was resistance to the fact that you went outside the system.
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02:09:35
It was outside. Well, I had no alternative. Right. Because no major would back it.
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02:09:39
Because of the Christianity aspect of it.
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02:09:41
I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Rupert Murdoch said, you know, he wanted to, and then he said, nah. And then somebody advised him and said he’d be out of business in 5 years. Rupert Murdoch. Wow. In 5 years if he distributed that if he yeah. And I was like, wow. If he’s scared, what’s I’m like, I’m gonna I’m gonna crash and burn here. But it actually did alright.
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02:10:01
It did phenomenal.
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02:10:02
Yeah. And then, again, I tried to, ai I went I went with the studio on Apocalypto, but, and it didn’t work out so well. It didn’t? No. In what way? Well, it was interesting. The the film was a film with it had no stars. It was in another language, and it came out on a weekend with another film that had Leo Leo in it and another film that had Cameron Diaz in it.
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02:10:30
And, so those 3 films came out on the same weekend, and the one with no stars and without the language won the weekend monetarily. It won the box office by a narrow margin on the other 2. And, the 2nd week out, Disney pulled the screens. Really? Yeah. Sai I thought, oh, that’s funny.
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02:10:55
Well, screens are gone. I guess there’s another agenda because that was another self funded one.
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02:11:03
Did they pull the screens because they had movies that they had already made deals with?
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02:11:06
I think so. But, you know, it’s just it’s just politics and Mhmm. You know? And I think perhaps the distribution deal on that wasn’t as good as Right. Ai else or you know? So it’s, you know, it’s all business.
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02:11:19
It’s a phenomenal movie, though.
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02:11:21
It’s a great film. Yeah. And it did better afterwards.
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02:11:25
In DVD and streaming and all that?
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02:11:27
Shah. Yeah. Ai did well.
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02:11:28
Yeah. Yeah. Ai watched it again, like, 2 years ago.
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02:11:31
Yeah.
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02:11:32
I hadn’t seen it in a while, and I watched it again. And I had forgot a bunch of aspects of it. Goddamn. It’s a good movie.
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02:11:37
It’s just primal. Yes. And I think I love primitive stuff, you know, and primal emotions. I mean, basically, it’s a guy just trying to get back home to save his wife and kid, and and he’s got a lot of obstacles in the way, like jaguars and bad guys chasing him and trying to skin him and trying to rip his heart out.
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02:11:57
It’s pretty cool.
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02:11:58
Yeah. It’s pretty cool. Yeah.
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02:11:59
And I sat in a room with my assistant. He said, what do you wanna do next? Chase movie? I said, he said, well so we found out where the Mayan canoes and Columbus and all that, and then we just started making the story up up in the room, and we wrote it. Wow. And yeah. Some assistant, man. He actually wrote. He actually tapped it out. Crazy.
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02:12:21
So when you’re making this resurrection movie now, you you also have this obligation. There’s this you you’re doing a very similar thing that you were doing with The Passion of the Christ where this is this is a profound story. Yes. When you put something like that together, how do you choose who’s gonna be the next Jesus?
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02:12:43
You use him again. Cavizo. Yeah. I know. It’s 20 years later. It’s 20 years later, but it’s Yeah.
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02:12:49
But it’s the right guy.
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02:12:50
Yeah. But it’s it’s supposed to be 3 days later, but he got 20 years older. And I think, I have to use a few techniques that they’ve started to get really good with the
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02:13:02
CGI and yeah. Oh, they can do amazing things now.
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02:13:05
You can actually Yeah. Get some of the same people.
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02:13:08
And by the time you film, it’ll be even better. Yeah. When are you gonna start filming?
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02:13:12
I’m hoping, next year sometime. It there’s a lot required because it is I’ll just tell you this. It’s an acid trip when we wrote it. It is ai I’ve never read anything like it. And my brother and I and Randall, all sort of congregated on this. So there’s some good heads put together, but there’s some crazy stuff.
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02:13:39
And I think in order to really tell the story properly, you have to start with the fall of the angels. Right? Yeah. Which Which is you’re in another place. You’re in another realm. You know? You need to go to hell. You need to go to Sheol.
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02:14:00
So you’re gonna have hell? You’re gonna have Satan? All that?
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02:14:03
Yeah. Woah. Sure. You ai have yeah. Right. You gotta have his origin.
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02:14:07
How do you meh how do you depict that?
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02:14:11
This is a good question. And I think, I have ideas about how to do that and ideas about how to evoke things and emotions in people from the way you depict it and the way you shoot it. So I’ve been thinking about it for a long ai. So it’s, it’s it’s not gonna be easy and it’s gonna require a lot of planning.
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02:14:37
And, and I’m not wholly sure I can pull it off to tell you the truth. It’s really super ambitious, but I’ll take a crack at it because that’s what you gotta do. Right? Walk up to the plate. Right?
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So I I think I can get it, but it’s not about meh. You know? Right.
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It’s
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about something else.
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Else. Well, if anybody can do it, you can do it.
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Well, I hope so. Yeah. It’s it’s, it’s trying to find the way in that’s not, like, cheesy or obvious, but that actually it’s almost like a magic trick in a sense. It’s diversion. It’s obfuscate this, show that, look over here. You know? I don’t Yeah.
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It’s,
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do you have a title?
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Yeah. It’s just like the resurrection of the Christ. Mhmm. Yeah. It’s like, so that’s a title. And, yeah, it’s it’s very ambitious. That’s all I’ll say. It just it took a long time to write. It’s really ambitious and it goes ram, like, the fall of the angels to the death of the last apostle.
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Do you have a start date?
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I don’t have a start date. I just have to begin pre production and see what happens, and it’s it’s just gonna roll in its own time. It’s taken its own time. I thought it was late. I think, taking too long. It’s taking too long, but it’s probably just right. Yeah.
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It’s when it’s supposed to be.
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Yeah. Well, if you believe that, that’s true.
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Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I hope you’re right.
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I think I’m right. My instincts are that I’m right. Yeah. Yeah. And if I was gonna trust anybody with that story, it would be you.
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Yeah. I don’t know. It’s a a massive thing. And theologically, it’s it’s something that you have to really look at and make correlations that that ring true because it’s not all written.
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Do you consult with someone ai a biblical scholar?
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Oh, yeah. Meh? Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, of course, you know, there’s your own a thing that comes into it from having read the the book a few times. You read the book a few times and, it’s amazing how your meh, how there’s these recessive files somewhere in the background, how you can correlate this piece to that piece over there.
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And that’s important because juxtaposition is everything with this story and, what it means in a bigger picture. Yeah. Mhmm. So it’s it’s hard to explain, but it’s it’s it’s quite involved.
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Yeah. Oh, I can only imagine.
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Yeah. And I don’t know that you can do it in a foreign language because the concepts are too difficult now. Mhmm. So that you may have to, resort to the vernacular so that, that at least is clear.
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Is that up for debate right now with you? Yeah.
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It is. I’m thinking like, but, like, look. Have you seen these apps now where they have this AI stuff where the guys talk in German and then he switches to French and then he’s Spanish and then Yeah. Ai. Yeah. Have you seen that? Yeah. And his mouth moves, and it’s the same voice. I mean, it’s crazy what they do.
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So
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So are you gonna use that kind of a tool, do you think?
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You could.
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Will you begin it in Aramaic or in Hebrew? Maybe.
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Yeah. Aramaic is is really the kick, isn’t it? But, you know, I think, I think I’ve bryden it in English, but I wrote the last one in English too and and translated it. But and then the people had to learn to speak it because there was I think there’s only about 400 people that actually speak Aramaic still. Wow.
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And apparently, they understood it. So I was happy about that. Wow. So that was good. Yeah. 400,000 people. Sorry. Oh. In the world.
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02:18:45
That makes more sense.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. 400
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people. Ai like to preserve those 400 people.
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Yeah. Not many people speaking Latin still, but but that’s quite well known.
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Well, I can’t wait to see it, man. Yeah. And, I just wanna say Ai I appreciate you very much. All all the stuff that you’ve done, you’ve made some really awesome pieces in your life. You really have. Thank you.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That’s a lot. Great stuff.
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Yeah. Yeah. I’m Ai I’m blown away by where you got to with this, which is ai, didn’t you start off just smoking a spliff on a couch with a guy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It’s amazing.
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Yeah. It’s pretty bizarre. Yeah. I’m not exactly sure how it happened. No.
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That’s good.
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I just kinda kept doing it.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I’m a fan.
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Thank you.
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I watch it all the time.
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Thank you. There was no plan to it. I’ll tell you that. No. There still kinda isn’t. I still kinda do it the same way.
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Yeah. Okay. Every day you wake up?
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Yeah. I just look at my phone. Ai go online. I sai, who do I wanna talk to? Yeah. This guy might be interesting.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
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That’s really it.
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Who’s next? You get some pretty interesting people. Yeah. Ai was amazed at that. Ai can’t remember his name. Terrence, what? He was all into.
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02:20:07
Terrence Howard? Yeah. Yeah. The actor? Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant guy.
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Had a bunch of stuff going on. I was like, woah.
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Yeah. Oh, he’s out there. Yeah. Yeah. He’s out there. But, I mean, you have to be Mhmm. To be one of those guys.
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You do.
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Well, listen, brother. Thank you very much for everything. Appreciate you coming in here. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Your new movie’s great, and, all your stuff’s great. I’m sai I’m a big fan. So Yeah.
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Tickets on sale, do they?
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02:20:31
Yeah. When does it come out?
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Oh, god. On the 25th? 24th, 25th. Yeah. 24th. I think
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Okay. Sai soon?
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Yeah. It’s fun.
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It is fun.
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02:20:40
Yeah.
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I enjoyed it.
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02:20:41
Yep. Alright.
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Thank you very much. Bye, Joe. Bye, everybody ai.
