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Michael Waddell is a hunter, TV personality, and outdoor enthusiast, best known as the founder and host of the popular hunting show “Bone Collector.”
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#2248 – Michael Waddell Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the conversation spans a variety of topics, including the evolution of podcasting, the authenticity it brings to public discourse, and the impact of media on perceptions, particularly around hunting. The discussion highlights how podcasts provide a platform for real conversations, allowing people to explore topics deeply and authentically, away from traditional media constraints.
A significant portion of the episode reflects on the personal experiences of the speakers, including Joe Rogan and his guests, with anecdotes about their interactions and adventures. The speakers discuss the cultural shift in media, noting how podcasts have become a space for genuine dialogue, contrasting with the often negative portrayals in mainstream media. This is particularly evident in discussions about hunting, where the speakers challenge the stereotype of hunters as cruel, emphasizing the importance of understanding and respecting different perspectives.
The episode also touches on the personal journeys of the speakers, including their backgrounds and how they came to be involved in podcasting and media. There is a recurring theme of authenticity and being true to oneself, as exemplified by the admiration for individuals who remain genuine in various settings, whether in press conferences or on podcasts.
Actionable insights from the episode include the encouragement to engage in open, honest conversations and to seek out diverse perspectives to better understand complex issues. The speakers also highlight the importance of staying true to one’s values and beliefs, regardless of external pressures.
Overall, the episode underscores the transformative power of podcasts in fostering meaningful dialogue and the value of authenticity in personal and public life.
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#2248 – Michael Waddell Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Ai meh day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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What’s going on, my man?
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Joe, is
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that Bigfoot on your shirt?
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It says That is. It is Bigfoot.
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Non vegan? Yeah. How do they know Bigfoot is not a vegan?
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See, I don’t know. I meh, but I think he’s got canines like us, so there’s a good chance that he does eat meh. You know?
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I think hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real. I’ve never met a hunter who’s seen Bigfoot.
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No. And his amount especially some of your guests you’ve had on and on top of I mean, even myself and now you speak a lot of times in some pretty desolate places
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Yeah.
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And all the trail cameras. We should have gotten one picture.
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Yeah. Trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench at that Bigfoot thing.
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I agree. And I and I and I’m always still, you know, the conspiracy that I’m still every time I check, especially when you meh in those deep dark Mhmm. Places out west and all throughout the country and even the south, I’m thinking maybe just this time.
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It would be fun. It would be fun, but it’s just it’s very unlikely. Do you mean they there’s only, like, 2 jaguars in the United States, and they know exactly where they are.
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Well, that’s exactly right. I mean, I was thinking back and even listening, you know, like you had Ranella, of course, Ram. A lot of a lot of my hunting buddies and people I look up to as well, Ram Warren, all those guys. And you start thinking about the amount of time we spend in the woods, and we don’t even see a mountain lion.
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Or Right.
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You talk about the wolves. They’re all these wolves are starting to be reintroduced, and you still don’t see them a lot of times they’re there. But then again, you capture them on trail cameras, you know, in the middle of the night. But yet Yeti or sai Sasquatch, only Jack Link’s beef jerky has seen him. And I I saw him on the Super Bowl commercial.
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Yeah. They’re they’re in a lot of commercials. They’re in movies. I think they used to be real. I think it used to be a real thing. I mean, they know there’s a thing called the Gigantopithecus that lived somewhere around a 100000 years ago. There was a bipedal hominid that was 8 to 10 feet tall.
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Holy cow.
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Look in the orangutan family, I think they believe it was.
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That’d be something to get Graham Hancock on. We need to get him back Yeah. To find that that creature.
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He’s he’s busy. He’s busy with a lot of other shit. It’s ai just trying to sort out the past, trying to sort out human history.
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That was some of the most intriguing. Ai I was dug deep into that and then went because of hearing him on the podcast and went and watched just finished season 2 watched season 1 soon after I’d seen him here first.
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It’s pretty compelling.
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It’s pretty amazingly compelling. Yeah.
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Well, and once you realize, first of all, that there’s real physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago, that the Earth was most likely pounded with asteroid debris.
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Yeah.
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And it probably fucks civilization up pretty bad and it can happen again.
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Makes complete sense. Yeah. Yeah. It it it’s I mean, here in his perspective on it and how he researched it and it’s it’s from the standpoint, there’s, you know, as we know, politics and everything gets involved in everything. You know? And and it’s just almost like he was a a journalistic, really smart, intellectual guy who was intrigued.
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It’s just a good approach the way he studied it to me that made it even more compelling. And then the findings he did find, I don’t know. I just I was very intrigued by that. You know
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how he really got into it? No. He got into it researching the arya of the covenant.
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Really?
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Yeah. Because, in Ethiopia, there’s a specific church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the ark of the covenant is is stored. And there’s these guarders of this these people that are guards of this area and they all develop cataracts, they all have, like, radiation poisoning, and they’re guarding this one particular area.
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They won’t let anybody look at it, they won’t let anybody talk about it, and Graham got fascinated by this. They started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the the covenant and these the arya and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history.
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And the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived 1000 and 1000 of years ago when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers, you know. Egypt is a great example of that. Like, whatever they were doing there was fucking insane.
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Right.
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I mean, the structures that they made, still today, we look at them and go, what the hell were you guys doing?
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Like, yeah. How was this made?
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Yeah. And he believes that society had reached a very very sophisticated level of technological achievement, and then something happened.
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Mhmm.
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And now we’re we’re living in ai a rebuild. Even though we’re very sophisticated, you know, in terms of technology, our technology has gone in a completely different direction than theirs did.
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And where did did Graham ever in in his conclusion, in some of that about the covenant, did he ever think that it’s still there?
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They think it’s still there. Yeah.
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So some people thought it might have burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was. Or
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See if you can find what Yeah. Where that is, Jamie. It’s supposed to be in some church in oh, James already got it.
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I Ai just had watched something on that because I’m intrigued by all that kind of stuff.
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Well, you know, when you really start digging deep into it, it’s very fascinating this one particular place has been protected for so long, and all these people that have supposedly seen it ai something that’s you know, Trump apparently has, like, a model of the Arya of the Covenant in Meh a Lago.
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No way.
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Yeah. Sai if you can find that. Yeah. He’s he’s got, like, a a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant in
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New Arlaug. And that whole covenant was pretty cool based on how, you know, God had said, look, you know, had an interview saying, this is how big it’s gotta be. Mhmm. It was built out of a certain wood ai and out, gold. Uh-huh. The handles, everything was there to hold the commandments.
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And then I I but then but then I saw something to where I know Jamie Jamie and Mike could probably pull it up, but I to where some people ai it could be under the Catholic church. I heard that.
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Like in the Vatican or something?
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In the Vatican? Yeah. Yeah. And then and then a lot
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of shit in the Vatican.
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Oh my goodness.
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Have you ever
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been there? No. I haven’t. But I heard you talk about you went Yeah. And had the guide and said it was amazing.
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It’s incredible. They have so meh. They have 1,000,000,000 of dollars in art. Like, where’d you guys steal all this from? Like, it’s like it’s back in the Roman days. Look at this. This is Trump’s replica of the Arya of the Covenant at Mar a Lago.
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That’s just like
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Pretty fucking wild.
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And it’s almost exactly the Yeah. The replica of what is assumed to have been looked ai. You know?
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Well, I mean, it’s I I think that’s a recreation based on biblical accounts.
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Absolutely. Very strange. Well, maybe Trump can take us and show it to us, man. It’d be cool.
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What’d it say, Jamie?
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I was trying to figure out if I mean, clearly, it was there. It might have just been there temporarily. It looks like that might be, like, on display and is there something. I don’t know.
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So it’s a replica that that travels around? Is that what it is? I’ll sign it in. Temporarily, is that more like I can’t
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find, like, that it lives there, but there’s definitely obviously people with pictures of it.
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Bro, if I had a drum on it, I’d have one built. Like, make me
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another ai. Come on. I would too. I would too.
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It’s a cool thing to have on display. I mean, I wonder what it was. I mean, if these if these guys really are guarding it in Ethiopia, like, what is the radiation from? Like, why why are they all get developing cataracts and radiation sickness?
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And we’ve all watched Harrison Ford try to find it.
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Exactly. Exactly. It’s off. It’s so fun.
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It is fun.
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All that ancient civilization stuff is so fun because it is really kind of a mystery, you know, and it’s it’s fascinating when and I’m I’m sure you’ve, been hunting before and you found our arrowheads.
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Yes. A lot.
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When you find one of those, you’re picking up this piece of history. You gotta imagine some Native American was napping this flint on his knee, sitting there who knows how many 1000 of years ago.
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Exactly.
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They find 3,000, 4000 year old arrowheads, and you just gotta go, god. What was life like
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then, man? Oh, I can only imagine. I and and, like, where I’m from in Georgia, and obviously, you and I both love archery, but all the arrowheads I find are are quartz. So we have very little flint and I’m not at all historically sound on understanding everything. I meh, I got friends. Actually, Jeff Foxworthy is is one of those guys.
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He lives right down the road. He is obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection like ai across the country. You know, it’s hard. You can call Jeff right now. You probably can’t get him to Austin to come do this podcast, but then all you got to do is tell him, meh man, I just plowed up a field and it rained and we just found 2 nice flint heads.
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He’d probably be here tomorrow. I mean he loves it. He’s eat up with it.
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There’s a dude I know who has a ranch out here and he finds them all the time. It’s Comanche territory where his ram is in the hill country. Yeah. And he every day go to that guy’s page, Whitworth, JW Whitworth. JM Whitworth? JW Whitworth? I think it’s JW. But he’s got incredible arrowheads that he he’s, like, just obsessed with finding them on this ram, and this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche.
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It’s very fertile and rich and, you know, sai is great and a lot of, you know, water habitat, a lot of deer. And so they must have just camped there and lived there for a long time.
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It’s JM, but it’s also private.
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Oh, it is? Oh, he’s private now? Yeah. That’s probably because we blew him up. I think that’s when he went private because he didn’t used to be private, but that’s some of the things that he finds.
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See, that’s that’s amazingly He sent me
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a couple of them.
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There there’s a company I found actually, I was in Illinois at this, of all it was a beer and deer fest in Illinois, and, I went by this booth. See, that is absolutely gorgeous.
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Yeah. Remy said that that was probably used for fishing.
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Very well could have been.
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Because it’s so large. You said it’s probably used to to shoot fish.
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It it seems it seems that a lot of this the arrowheads are you know, the ones that was actually attached to shoot with archery were a lot smaller. Like, you know, some people might argue that Sai don’t know enough about it. It’s ai, is it a spearhead? I found some heads. Like, look at this.
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I found like, well, that’s a spearhead or that’s this or that. You find somebody like Ram or I got a friend named Ike Rainey who’s really, big into artifacts, and if you find something what you think it is, it’s kind of like the first time Sai hunted in Africa. I thought I’d shot a spring buck arya I thought I shah a ai, and it turned out it was a spring buck.
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It’s ai, oh okay, there’s only 7,000 species of animals out here. So I think arrowheads are the same way. It’s just it’s amazing. But to think you’re right. I mean, think of somebody sat down 1000 and 1000 of years and napped that out. Mhmm. And how many times did they not get it right?
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You can say that’s perfect.
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Yeah. They probably had to do a lot of them. The a lot of them probably broke off wrong.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, it’s probably not a very good success rate, especially when you work with Flint. Yeah. Just chipping away at it, but when they get good at it, it’s such an art. Yeah. And, like, when you pick one up ai a real Flint Arrowhead god. So there’s a lot of guys that make them now though, unfortunately. So there’s a lot of forgeries.
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Correct. Correct.
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A lot of nerds. A lot of archery nerds. They get real good at it and then just leave them scattered around places or pretend they found them.
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Exactly. You know? You could do that. Just almost yeah.
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You totally could do that, but that that’s a legit one that was actually pulled out of the ground.
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It it makes me less ai when when, you know, ai, if you’re out in Utah and you have success in Elk Woods and you’re butchering an elk and trying to get them packed out when you’re just having to re sharpen your ai. Like, this is the least I can do is re sharpen this knife.
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Right.
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Remember these guys had to nap out ahead. I mean, how long did that take just to go hunt an elk? You know?
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Yeah. They lived for 1000 of years with no metal.
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Oh, I know. It I tell you something that’s interesting. We hunted a place in Montana where we it’s it’s on the Milk River, and they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property. Oh, wow. And and so if you went to where this buffalo drop was, you could go to the base of it and you could find there’s not there wasn’t any much left now.
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We used to hunt back in the day, mostly in the, I hadn’t been since 2000. I think it was 7 or 2010 was the last time I had went out there. But at the base of that, you used to ai all kind of bones, you know, bison bones, you know, you know, buffalo and stuff. But you would sometimes find these little tiny heads, and and they didn’t look like this. Which is interesting what Ram brought up, maybe that was for fishing or something.
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I don’t know, but all the heads we would find would be tiny little, almost like bird points is what I felt like I wanted to call them. I heard them call before, and supposedly what they did was is they didn’t necessarily weren’t trying to kill the buffalo. They would hurt them, and they would just kind of peck them with the arrows, and then they would run the buffalo off of this cliff.
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And so it basically ai coming off the cliff. And it was so cool across the valley, you could still see all those stone rings to where supposedly the ladies or the squaws would sit there and look back, and soon as the men basically had, you know, whatever amount of buffalo, I guess, over the drop, they would come and butcher, and the meh would go back and, you know, smoke the peace pipe and relax.
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So, times have changed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So,
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I thought
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that was interesting.
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Meh about this one site where they had a buffalo drop, and the pile of buffalo was so large and there was so much decay Yeah. That it actually created a fire.
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Holy cow.
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It, like, started on fire because they’re all just rotting from and fermenting and
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Just hot. Some sort
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of combustion. And so the entire side of the cliff was black from these buffalo falling off of this place, rotting, and then Created a fire. Yeah. I mean, I don’t even
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know how
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that would work.
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I Ai don’t either, but I do know that those buffalo drops do exist, and it’s pretty fascinating. And the place we’re hunting is a, you know, private landowner. He was a rancher, had some cows, and, he was very funny. He did not want us to video on any of our episodes or anything to do.
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And back then, we were videoing, I was working with Bill Jernan. We had a show on TNN back in the day and, he’s like, do not bring your cameras. I don’t want any TV cameras around here. He said because they’ll come and all of a sudden they’ll set this up as a historical site and I’ll have sai he was really funny about it.
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So I don’t even I didn’t even take a lot of pictures of it because I was always like, hey, you know, this guy didn’t want us to take any pictures and talk about it. But, man, every time I’d come back, you know, for morning hunt or we’d go scout, I’d come back and like, man, I wanna go to Buffalo drop.
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Like, you know, you just it’s like a little kid, like a little 10 year old kid boy scout. I’m like, look at this. Here’s a head or here’s a buffalo horn or or skull. And most of everything that would have been there had already been picked through because it’s right off kind of a county road, and so most of the locals knew about it.
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And of course, you know, he’s had kids and grandkids, just just ai rummaged through it. But it was pretty interesting. But every time you’d go, you’d find something. So it’s really interesting.
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It just just really stretches your mind and your imagination to imagine living like that back then. And that these people while, you know, Rome was being built, the Colosseum, Europe, all these all these different places in the world, these people were living the same way people ai tens of 1000 years ago right here.
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It’s crazy. And and now it seems like we’re so far removed from it, but yet as we we talk about it, that romance hadn’t left and even getting a chance to chase a bull elk. There’s still some amazing rural wild places out there that we can kind of revisit. And and that was the first thing I noticed is all the the the Native American pictures you had.
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I hunt a lot with Native Meh, a lot with the Navajo Nation. I’ve become like family, or they become like family to me. I go out there every year, and the resources they have, you know. I know Cam hunts a lot, you know, as in Muscullaro and different different places, and I don’t know, man.
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And even sadly, even amongst the natives, some of that culture is being lost with them more. And so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids. We take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there with the Navajo Game and Fish. You know, they have a lot of mentors.
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Gloria Tom, who she’s just stepping down, but she was the, kind of in charge out there. And we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo Nation to families and would take just their kids, the kids of the Navajo Nation hunting, and sadly enough, they’re they’re ai a lot of kids in America eating Little Debbie’s and playing Xbox, you know.
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It’s ai, man, you got 17,000,000 acres in your backyard. Come on, bro. You’re supposed to be the damn eagle. You gotta you gotta fly and dip down. Well, we got, you ai, I’m even out here, you know, sai your your ram, and we me too. I have all kind of Native Americans.
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My heroes, were Native American hunters ai Ishi, who taught Pope and Young how to bow hunt. He’s who got a Oh, really? Yeah. Ishi out of California. I think he he come back and and, he he basically taught those guys who were doctors. He introduced them to to Beauhoney.
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And then Pope and Young, as we kill a elk, we think, oh, is he big enough to go Pope and Young?
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Right. Explain to people what Pope and Young is for people who don’t know what we’re talking about.
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Pope and Young is, so basically Pope and Young were were 2 guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times. I mean, obviously, you’re throwing around names, you got to talk about Fredbear, stuff like ai. But prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi, out of a California ai.
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And I’m not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was, but, there’s a lot of cool information that you can read. Obviously, if you ever get your hands on, Saxton Pope and Arthur Young, any books, it’s fascinating. Ai meh favorite book of all time is called The Adventurous Bowman.
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A friend of mine, Jeff Johnson, who’s a writer, gave it to me, and I read it all the tyler. And even my kid, I read him that book at night, you know, and this talks about their first venture into Africa, and when they went there, when they hunted grizzly, when they hunted elk the first time.
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And so these guys were kind of, based on what I can assume, seemed to be pretty much city slickers who had basically, a patient called Ishi who taught them how to hunt. And and pictures of him, you can still see him. He looks like he’s dressed at a Ted Nugent concert in 1969, you know, jumping off the amps.
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And, and so yeah. And so now that’s become similar to Boone and Crockett. Pope and Young is an organization that’s formed around, you know, celebrating certain animals that are trophy speak, and if you get a, you know, sana ai tyler deer that nets a 125 inches on the Pope and Young scale, you can enter them into the Pope and Young record books.
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And every category of species ai elk, bear, caribou, moose, so on and so forth has that. And so it’s just kind of to celebrate a lot of heritage of archery. And so Pope and Young, a lot of people won’t know it, but that that basically is the basis of what it come ram. But it starts back to, guess what, a Native American, these Arrowheads, they passed it on. And so now we’re kind of carrying on that same tradition.
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And so as a student of the game, it’s ai it’s so cool to talk about a
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There they are.
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Oh, look at that. Yeah.
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Wow. Look at that.
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That’s cool. Is there any can you find Jamie, is
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that Ishi that look all the way? Saxton Pope right there.
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There’s Ishi there.
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Oh, wow.
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Can you imagine? Look at that.
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You’re learning from the source.
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Yeah. I mean, they and and and there’s so many amazing stories.
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What year was this?
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Man, I don’t even know. It had to been in the, I don’t know. Was it twenties Or maybe maybe maybe ai. I know it’s early.
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You know what’s fascinating when you think about what we enjoy? We enjoy ai. 1912. 1912. So that guy, you know, that that is ai he was alive in the 1800. Absolutely. So he was doing that, like, that’s literally from the source.
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And there’s another thing, and it’s it’s crazy to think about this. Another thing I read and heard tyler because, obviously, you know, you travel around, and it’s always trying to figure out, you know, what’s fact or fish fiction. But I’d listen to, Casey Means on this podcast. We’re talking about our food.
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Supposedly, Ishi who come in, who was actually living very primitive, but come in, and once he started hanging around and got ai, quickly got fat because I don’t know if little Debbie’s was around then. No. There’s only thing I hated about the whole KC meh that whole podcast is, like, man, I used to love a good oatmeal ai.
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Now I’m sitting here, like, I don’t know that glass of milk. Ai I even partake? But, I think he gained a lot of weight and started getting a lot sicker.
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Just And the food back then was so much better than the food we have now.
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Yeah. Yeah. Just around a lot of people, and all of a sudden, he was trying to fight probably viruses and diseases and and getting an abundance of a certain food he wasn’t used to. And suppose Ai think he got a little heavier and less healthy just being around.
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Probably a lot of grains and sugar. Probably.
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I’m sure. Yeah. Yeah.
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He’s probably eating mostly meat before that. Probably so.
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Just to fish fish out the creek and Yeah. You know, back ram out of a mule deer, you know.
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The way everybody did for 1,000 of years. Yep. It’s just so interesting that if it wasn’t for guys like Pope and Young and Fred Baer, I mean, how many people were evangelizing bow hunting back then? I mean, how many people were making it something that was, you know because as soon as rifles came along, the way everybody looked at it was, oh, rifles are better.
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You can choose something further. It’s easier to do. You hunt, you hunt with rifles. But to make that choice, this decision that there’s something more more connected, more spiritual about archery and bow hunting, if it wasn’t for those people that were promoting it, people like Fred Baer Correct.
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Who was so he was so articulate in the way he would describe things, in the way he would describe the benefits of just archery practice about how archery just removes your cares.
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Yeah.
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If you could just concentrate on that target and just just practice archery, it cleans your ai. And I find that today.
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I I do too. It’s almost like you go back in time every time even though we pick up, you know, these new Hoyt bows, you’re like, oh meh god. Look at the technology. A lot
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more accurate. It
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is. It’s so much more accurate. And so, yeah. It’s it’s amazing. And you’re just exactly right. It is spiritual. And to think back of where it was to where it is, but then you think about the rifles and the technology we have there. But keep in mind, I’m sure, you know, and those people who are really hunting for substance, absolutely.
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If if we leave tomorrow and we can’t go and get us a nice steak dinner or we can’t go to the grocery store and buy us some chicken or rib ai, whatever it is we decide to eat, Vatsal, absolutely. If we’re like, ai, Joe, your wife and my wife is wanting us to kill a few squirrels, and, we’re gonna have squirrels and gravy, and my wife makes some good biscuits.
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She’s like, why don’t you know, let’s leave the hoists at home. Let’s take a 22 and a 410. Let’s just go get us a mess of squirrel. Yeah. And so I think probably they looked at it that way.
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And once that came about, and then it slowly becomes somewhat of a I hate to even say it as a sport because I don’t look at it as a speak.
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It’s a culture. Discipline.
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It’s a it’s a discipline, but I I think to know that we’re still going back and celebrating that and still talking about ISHI and Pope and Young and the Fred Bears and what they set forth and even people like Chuck Adams, who was always one of my heroes. You know, Cam and I were talking a lot about that in Texas.
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Just golly, Chuck Adams was hunting these elk ai always had that little green beanie, shot those double x 78 arrows, and meh, you ain’t nobody. It’s like, you know, all the kids and even me, you know, I was this little chubby white kid that thought if I bought Air Jordans, I could jump higher.
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And and Michael lied to me. You’re a liar, Jordan. I can’t jump any fast higher. I can’t run any faster. But, you know, Chuck, when I saw those arrows and I’d see that bow, I’m like, man, I gotta have that. I wanna be like Chuck.
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You know, I wanna be like Fred Baer. And so, it’s just amazing to see and to see that we still are celebrating it.
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So it’s
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really Well,
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it has a very deep connection to the human mind. There’s something about archery that I think it’s because as human beings evolved, you know, we developed the bow and arrow, they invented it, they they refined it, and that was how people hunted and got their food. I think there’s a genetic memory of that that’s inside of our heads because there’s, like, there’s something eerily satisfying about hitting a target with an arrow.
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It’s so much different than anything. Like, I like practicing shooting rifles. I like I’ve hunted with rifles. I like it. I like it. It’s great. Same here.
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It’s not the same.
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It’s not the same.
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It’s not the same. It’s ai a 10 ai tenfold different.
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Yeah. It’s it’s, it it really is amazing. It’s ai every time if I go rifle hunting, I love it. I mean absolutely love it. Still love the whole culture of it. I grew up in Georgia where, I mean, people were on these leases, you know. It’d be a Mead property, which was Timberland or Georgia Power Lease. There’d be 10 of us on 500 acres or sometimes more than that.
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And so, you know, everybody took a 30 off 6 Remington sai automatic, you know, scope on it with over and under ai. And we’d meet up at Uncle Morgan’s arya, me and my dad and Scott Steiner, my uncle Tommy, and uncle Jeff. And where are you going? Ai, hell, I think I’m gonna go to the boat speak. You know? I’m going to holler 1.
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Nobody talked about wind or nothing, and it was just a bunch of old guys high fiving, and we would walk back there and hunt with a rifle. And sai soon as you heard a rifle shot, you’re like, that was Uncle Tommy. Ai bet you he’s got a big one, you know. And so it was just so amazing that part of it.
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So I still go back and do that from a culture standpoint to feel just that feeling and vibe of being standing there in a pair of Kmart boots with some old walls coveralls draped over with them old white long handles, you know, that we thought we could go to the Antarctica end.
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In reality, it was just some cotton. As soon as it got wet, she froze to death. And, and just the thought of that of being literally in my time, 11, 12 years old, just being one of the men with a 30 ought 6 on my ai, climbing up in a pine tree in a tree stand built out of leftover lumber from my dad’s construction job.
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That was the most unsafe thing in the world and,
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a lot of people got hurt falling out of those things.
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And I remember we got our first bow, my dad and I. My dad had an old Browning bow and he had a couple old recurs when I was young and he pecked around with him. And then I remember I was 13, and I was working him on a job ai, and, that’s ai meh summer job. My dad was a carpenter, and so I’d go work.
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And, man, he worked cornbread hell out of me too, you know, just to show me how to be accountable and just what it was like to work, and he paid me $2 an hour. So he sai, you need to pick out something as a goal. Figure out what you need to save your money for. You don’t need to blow it on something stupid. And I said, what? I I don’t I don’t know.
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And, and at the time, some of my buddies, we were saving up on skateboards. Well, at the time, we lived on a dirt road. So I’m like, what am I gonna do with a skateboard? You know, I’m I was like, I can’t I gotta go into the city to use a skateboard. So my buddy, Jackson Bishop, we called him Boo. He lived in the city, and we hunted together. He said, I’m behind me.
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He said he was working with my dad and I too, and he ended up saving his money and bought him a really cool skateboard. I remember he built it and went and had posters of it. Well, I ended up deciding that I need to get me a bow and arrow, so I went bought me a a Martin Pro Eliminator bow from Big Buck Trading Post.
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Paid $200 for that sucker.
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Was that a compound bow?
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It was a compound bow.
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What year did compound bows get invented?
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It would have had to been, I would say, in the 70s. I meh, the first I remember, was talking about Fred Bear, the old ai tail hunter, and then you had the white tail hunter 2 and stuff like that. And then I know, Browning came on pretty soon in that, and then obviously you had Hoyt that was in.
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Did they even have sites back then?
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We we had ai a pen site. It was like a bracket, and it has had this kind of rudimentary site that you could scroll in and out.
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But there’s no range finders. Right?
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There were no range finders.
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Is that it right there?
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Look at that.
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The original compound. Look at that. Up to 50% more speed and penetration.
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But that was 66. So I felt like this would have been in the eighties because I
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Sixty 6.
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Because I feel like,
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Wow. That’s wild. Price so low, hunters can’t afford to be without one. The way they used to market things back then is so funny.
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I know I love to see those old Field and Stream and outdoor life magazines.
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It’s just I mean, it’s a window into a different time.
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Look at that. Can you imagine taking that to Utah to chase a milk in the mountains?
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Oh ai god. You guys should be so close.
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27:29
Cameron wouldn’t even have to tote out a a buck on his shoulders. He could just tote that around, probably be as heavy as a whitetail.
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How heavy is that thing? Look at it, all the metal. Telling.
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All the components in all cases. What
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kind of feet per second are you getting out of that sucker? What is this? Oh, look at this. ai 26. Yeah. Arthur Young, bow hunting.
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It’s a grizzly here.
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They said it’s a grizzly. Wow.
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Look at it. Super close.
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Holy cow. I’ve never seen this, Jamie. Thanks for pulling this up. This
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is cute. 26.
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Holy smokes. I bet they didn’t have to buy a license. I bet they just went hunting too.
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Oh, yeah. I bet there was no licenses back then. I mean, when did they
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Alright. He’s he hit him somewhere.
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Yeah. He hits it’s it shows it follows it up here. But, I mean, to film this is even crazy because this is 1926. So
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Right. Wow.
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You had to be so close with that shitty bow.
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No doubt. And, man, any I tyler you what, meh. Intriguing. Like, those guys right there, there are books that they wrote. If you wrote those same books now like if if you and I went on a hunt and we said, Hey, you know, let’s just write an article and present it to outdoor life and publish it just as we saw it, which is so cool about what we do here is having a chance conversation to kind of air out anything and everything.
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And obviously culture has changed the world. I meh, these podcasts, but back then, you know, you had articles. Well, they would write these books, and and it would be so like, I would read it sometimes the same page 2 or 3 times. It’d be like, you know, Saxon Pope talking about Arthur Young talking. Yes. I found out. I think it’s too far.
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70 yards is too far to shoot at a Cape buffalo. I put 3 arrows in him. He didn’t seem hurt. I got 2 in the rump, 1 in the neck, and you’re like like, they didn’t edit this out? It’s almost like Ai. Right. Right. Right. Right.
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It’s almost like me and you hunting squirrel. Like, man, I’ll tell you what, I don’t like in pellets. It’s just not Yeah. Those pellets and that air rifle are not they’re just not knocking the squirrels down good enough. Like, oh, you sana supposed to put that. Can you edit that out?
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Right.
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They were just ai, okay. Let’s put this in a
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book and let’s sell it. Let’s put ai.
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They were they were learning.
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They were learning how to do it.
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But you imagine how you you get crucified sometimes for the people who don’t understand hunting, even ethically hunting, and making a good ethical shot whether it’s a bow or an arrow or a rifle. And back then they were ai, alright, let’s go try to hunt some African lions. I don’t know what it’s sana take to kill them, but we’ll see.
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They were just experimenting.
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Experimenting, and they they took a boat over. Think about I mean I mean I sana go to I’ve been to Africa quite a few times.
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How long does it take to get to Africa
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in a boat? It was taking a month to get over there, and they would they would take a whole shah, and I think they I forget. I don’t want to say it because it could be inaccurate historically, but I want to say they was taking 40, 50 bows, these recurves, and, like, just tubs and tubs of arrows.
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I meh, just
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Because they were just launching them.
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It’s ai they had more freaking arrows than P. Diddy had baby oil. I mean, it sounds like it’s ai, man, how many airs can you fit on this boat? Ai, well, we meh shah loaded up.
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They probably knew they weren’t gonna get any over there, and they’re probably making them themselves.
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Yeah. I think it documents it. It talks about like, ai, if our bows tear up or in this experimental process, we might need a little stronger bow. So, you know, I meh, sometimes, very rarely Ai can do this. I’ll go to pretty desolate places. I’ll take one bow. Very rarely, I take 2 bows.
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I used to think it’d be beneficial, but then I started realizing, man, these things are so dependable. I don’t need it. Maybe I ai a bow press or or an extra cable or an extra string or setup, but, I mean, they just had to take everything, and they really didn’t know.
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That’s such a commitment to adventure. Ai on a boat with a bunch of bows and a tub of arrows.
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I mean, how do you tell your wife that too? Because they were married. Exactly. Can you imagine? I can’t imagine now that, you know, Joe and I plan a hunt trip here, and you go home and say, hey, man. Just me and Wadell was talking, and me, him, and Cam are thinking about running to hunt hogs. Well, how long are you gonna be gone?
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You know, it’s Christmas time. It was like, well, 2 days. You know, we’re just gonna drive down or fly over here, do that. Can you imagine, hey, baby. I think I’m going to Africa, and, we’re gonna try to hunt some lion. We don’t know what’s gonna happen.
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6, 7 months.
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Yeah. I’ll be back next year. I mean, it’s like I
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sana go hunt lions with a pointy stick.
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Exactly. I should be back. I don’t
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think sure what it takes to kill 1. No Internet.
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Yeah. No no Ai mean, nothing. How do you even research?
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How are you learning form and technique? Yeah.
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Who you
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learn you just have to practice and then eventually figure out, well, I held my elbow this sai. It seemed to be better than this way. Meh. I’ll just
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We’ll just speak it. And even the civil unrest. Imagine this. I mean
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Oh, yeah.
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You know, I hear people talk about hunting and the dangers of potential rogue wildlife, but I’ve never been that you know, I grew up real country, so I never had any fear of any animals. You know? Matter of fact, if I was bear hunting and I thought, you know, somebody said, hey, man. Bears love pork chops.
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She walked through Alaska with a pork chop, Randy Nick might get a better chance to get a shah. I’m like, ai, well, hell. You reckon they’ll come? Let’s try it. You know? Ai sana a shot at 1. But think of the civil unrest.
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I’ve always been a you know, if you I went to Zimbabwe one ai. Me and Nick Mutt and several of my buddies, we went over there to Zimbabwe, and it just happened to be when Mugabe was rerunning. And so he had a political opponent. And so just when we think people listen to this, that, you know, politics in America are crazy. Well, guess what?
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Somebody was running against Ai. So did they debate it on a podcast or even talk about it on CNN? No. Magabe just went and killed the guy who was running against, like, okay, I win, you know, so end the story. And so the internet was shut down, and so I remember being over there and, like, man, I’m kind of scared not of an elephant or a lion.
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I’m like, what is this? I don’t have a phone, I don’t have internet, I have no way to talk to my family, I don’t have any, they and my money got stolen. I was the idiot who went over there, like, with my backpack with cash and, like, you know, a bank envelope. Everything that you read that like, okay.
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I’m I’m an idiot. So I go to I go to, take some money to to, we we were talking about going fishing on the Zambezi River. And, sai, anyway, I said, I’m gonna get a little money. I’m I’m gonna tip this guy if I go fishing, like, dude, where’s my money? And it was all gone, so I don’t know if it was between where I landed in South Africa, somewhere in my I don’t know where, but all of my money.
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And and, and I think I had about $7,000 cash, which which for me that was a lot of money. Like, I mean, I was devastated. Not only I lose the money, it’s ai Sai didn’t have money to lose like that, but now I’m like what am I going to do? And so they take me over to Botswana and I get some poolers from an ATM because it’s a little more ai. But I remember calling calling home.
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It’s like meh, we ain’t in Kansas no more. This ain’t a whitetail hunt. And in my mind I’m so singled in on the adventure and thinking of Saxton you know pope and young and all these guys
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uh-huh
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and I forget like wait a minute there’s people dying and starving over here and and I’m just over here trying to maybe find a cape buffalo or a gems buck or something. And that’s where I learned a lot in my young travel of of just what’s out there in the world.
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Watch, Pedro, Amparo’s videos? No. No. Jamie, let me I’ll send it to you. He’s a fascinating dude from Spain and he travels everywhere to bow hunt. Everywhere.
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Oh, I can already tell Ai I’d love that.
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Oh, you’d love it. He’s great too. His, his hunting adventures are in really interesting, but he goes all over the place.
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I love that.
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He goes to, like, Tajikistan and places
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Holy cow.
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There he is.
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Look at that. He’s I mean, you can tyler. Look. I mean, just
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He’s, you know, super super super dedicated bowhunter and, you know, travels to Greenland. He was in Greenland with Remy. They were hunting together and and just his, his stuff. Pedro’s videos are really, really well done and he’s such a likable guy that it’s a it’s a good introduction to people that don’t even understand why anybody would be interested in bow hunting because you realize like this guy is he’s as much fascinated by the adventure of it all than as he is even the hunting aspect of it.
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Ai, he really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world. Like, he hunted elk in Mongolia. Wow. Mongolia has a large elk population.
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I didn’t know that. I didn’t know.
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But it’s really funny because everybody goes there to hunt hunts with a rifle. And so all the guides who, you know, speak Mongolian
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Right.
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Like, they’re, like, what the fuck is this guy doing
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with his bow? This is stupid. Like, don’t shoot it. Pedro.
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He’s ai, I can’t shoot it. It’s 98 yards away. You know, like, Sai we have to get closer. It’s like, just shoot
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it. Yeah.
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Just shoot it. Shoot it. Kill it. Let’s get out of here. We’ve been here for fucking 3 days. You know, ai, they’re tired of it, but this dude’s got a, a really fucking great channel and a ton of videos. I mean, he’s been doing this for, like, making these videos for, like, 10, 15 years.
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I’m definitely gonna subscribe to that and I
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don’t even see the buffalo. Where’s the buffalo?
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Is that is he Oh,
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it’s a mouflon.
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Oh, that’s a mouflon sheep.
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Oh, you went you went to the video. Okay. Go to the, Mongolia elk hunt because it’s so fascinating. They stayed in a yurt, so they stayed in one of those felt tents ai Genghis Khan used to live in.
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Mhmm.
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And they traveled in the woods, and it looks like you’re in Wyoming. It looks like you’re in Idaho.
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Them Urichs always wonder if that’s what Missy Elliott was rapping about. You know, you’re perimenition around here. I don’t think so. I don’t think she shah a good knowledge of the truth.
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Yeah. But if you scroll further ahead, you could see some of the footage. Oh, this is, Ibex in Mongolia.
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Dude, that’d be tough hunt too, man.
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Google, it’s not that. Search, elk in Mongolia. He’s got I mean, he’s got tons and tons. There it is right there. See world record Alps ai there. Yeah. 2nd row, that one. Bam. Yeah. That’s in Mongolia.
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Sai, that’s, to me, so fascinating.
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Isn’t that crazy? Like, look at that. That looks like you could be in Utah.
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Absolutely.
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And, they they just totally didn’t understand why he was using a bow. Because his dad was there. His dad hunted with a ai, and he sai successful and, you know, he’s got it close.
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Ai. And those those look like just your basic Rocky Mountain Mhmm. Species.
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I don’t even know how they got there. I don’t know if they were always there. I don’t know if they were introduced. I really don’t know.
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There’s a Uruk. Yep.
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Yeah. And that’s what they’re staying in.
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It really ai I did not even know that there were elk in Mongolia.
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Yeah. I didn’t either until I saw this video.
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Nor would I have even known you could hunt there, and Ai think that’s what people don’t realize living in America. Yeah. We can hunt. I mean, go do that in China. Get hungry in China and decide you want to go get you a massive rabbit and squirrel. Well, there might not be none, and you can’t legally hunt.
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You can’t legally hunt in China?
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Not in China. Not at all. There’s there’s several states. You can’t even bow hunt in in, UK.
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I know. Isn’t that crazy?
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I mean, I don’t know if that goes back to Robin Longstride ai Sai think some of it does, a lot of the folklore because that was a poaching tool. He hunted the king’s property. You could do it. You could poach with a
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bow and arrow. Well, that’s what people don’t understand. The Robin Hood was not about stealing money. Mm-mm. It was about using the king’s land to
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hunt animals.
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Correct. Because people were starving, and the king had all these animals, and you weren’t allowed to hunt them. You couldn’t. So Robin Hood was ai, this is bullshit.
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Like, yeah. Take this bow and arrow. Let’s go let’s go eat. There’s sai out here, man.
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Yeah.
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And so I yeah. I don’t I I I’m always the more I travel, like, seeing this that Pedro has done, I hadn’t done that extensive of traveling, and I’ve never if it ends with a stand, I just stay out of it. Yeah. I ai, I
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And these extra z’s in the wall.
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Man, I say why. I try
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to be Yeah. But Pedro goes everywhere. His I I can’t recommend him showing up. It’s so good. It’s and
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I watch him all the time. That out.
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Late night when I wanna chill, when I’m at home, I come home from the comedy club. I’ll throw on some of his videos.
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Check out Pedro.
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Chill out.
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Ai wonder this.
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Have you ever heard of this?
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What is that?
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I was looking at the initial books coming out of hunting trips to Africa sana Dingonek? Multiple people said they saw this. One guy said he even shot 1.
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In Africa, they saw it?
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Yeah. How long was this?
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19 7, I think.
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What the fuck? Do they have a photo of it?
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No. That’s just it it might it obviously might even be a real thing, but the descriptions of it were backed up by multiple people.
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A carnivore that chose to hunt or devour nearly whatever it wants to save for elephants.
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Holy cow.
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It had tusks?
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Dog headed beast fish.
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What? I don’t even
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think Jim Shah hunted one of them. Where did you find
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this, Jamie?
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Literally, Ai looking at all these history books about, like, different, expeditions, and this was one from 1908. They went to look
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for some
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certain things. They encountered this in Lake Victoria. It I mean, it’s it’s probably not real. Look at this.
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But it seems like it is. Like, I wanna believe. He encountered by Lake Victoria when asked, Bronson’s own hunting party provided nearly identical descriptions of the creature. The ai reference to the author having been given special permission to hunt the closed territory of Loita, Masai, Kisse, and Sotic. Wow. What the hell was that?
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I’m just
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looking it up. Very strange.
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It looks different in a bunch of the drawings though.
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Sure. I mean, they don’t have Right. Picture, I guess.
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But, like, remember when we’re showing those ancient pictures of what a, a whale looked like to people? They’ve never seen a whale before and it had, like, wings and a lion’s head.
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So it’s fascinating on all that those paintings and engravings. It Yeah. It ai some of it, you can sai, like, ai. We still have some of those animals that look that way and then some kinda looks kinda mystical.
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Have you seen the ones that have cave pennies where it’s like a stegosaurus? Yeah. Like, how did you know what that looked like? Somebody
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exactly. They didn’t Google it.
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Right. Did were there a few laying around? I mean, I wonder.
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I’m so intrigued by that. I think I’m more intrigued with it hunting and traveling and being in these places. Ai, we we went down I love the turkey hunt. I love the turkey hunt. Matter of fact, I’m I’m sana do everything in my power and everybody that listens to that even ever knew my name knows everybody’s like, dude, you gotta get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunt.
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I went turkey hunt once.
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Did you really?
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And one with Ranella. He took it.
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Did you really? Yeah. Ranella, dude. He’s yeah. He It
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was fun.
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Yeah. He’s fun. I I love turkey hunt, and I just love it. And that’s how I ai broke into the the industry.
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It’s definitely a superior turkey to eat. They are. They’re delicious.
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They are delicious to eat. And, but anyway, with that said, we were down, right out of the Yucatan Peninsula hunting oscillated turkeys, which is a different species. You can hunt all these turkeys and get different ai. Yeah.
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I think Ranelle has got the slam. Yeah.
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Ranelle has done it. And so I went down there with actually Troy Troy Link of Jack Link’s Jerky, and he’s a big hunter. So we all went down there kind of for the adventure and to say, yeah, we hunted the jungles. And, dude, amazing, you know, you got all that Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I sai, even Graham Hancock.
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But what people don’t realize, we’re out in the middle of this jungle, and I’m walking around. And, the guy I’m with, he don’t know English. And I’m like and Cohen Stone, our producer, he’s standing there. I was like, dude, this is a this is one of those pyramids. Like, we’re walking up, and I’m I’m trying to figure out if I can hand call because nobody had ever figured out if you can hand call to these oscillated turkeys.
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I get to looking around and so finally I’m tapping this guide on the shoulder and I’m like, bro, you know, Ai? He sai, oh, see. See. And I’m like, there’s so many of those structures out there. Yeah.
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And
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we’re out there hunting turkeys. They don’t think nothing about it. It’s kinda like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and find an old whale. You know, we’re intrigued. Right. They’re like, oh, yeah. There’s they’re everywhere.
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So Ai only knew about the ones that was on the postcards, you
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know Right.
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That you go Chicheniza. Yeah. When you’re out there having a corona on the beach and somebody kind of sell you engraving to your wife and some, you know, ring Yeah. Or something. I’m like, oh meh god, dude. And and, like, I want it so bad for a turkey to respond and to put my back against vatsal.
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And so I did a little video, and I was like, man, this is insane. But when would I had a chance to see that had I not been a hunter?
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Yeah.
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So that gets you down the rabbit hole of, like, well, what was this? And what is that calendar? And I wonder what Graham Hancock is. So when I’m seeing some of this, I’m like, dude, I was in that area. I didn’t go to see that particular piece where he’s talking to this authority, but I did go, you know, 30 miles south of there or a 100 miles, and I had a chance to work a turkey around one that’s not even been excavated.
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And it was just blew my mind.
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They find so many of those too. The the jungle just overrun all that civilization. Just overcame it, and you you just they find them with you know what Ai is?
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I heard yes. I saw well, I I didn’t know about it until I watched that on the Netflix show with Graham, and he’s showing how there’s flying over in those rings and stuff.
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Sai if you can find that pyramid that they just unearthed in Guatemala. They just unearthed some huge pyramid in Guatemala.
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And that’s we were we were south I think it
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was Guatemala.
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We were right there in kinda right on the southern tip of Mexico just as you go into Guatemala, and, I was just intrigued. And we’re in the jungle and sai in these little huts ai over these little tents, ai, almost a screen porch. I was just I was blown away. And the whole time, I’m like, thank you, Lord, for allowing me to be the hunter to go see this to to experience this
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and ai
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and to Sai don’t know it’s just I’m overwhelmed I’ve never got bored with it and the more I do it the more humbling it becomes as soon as you start thinking like man I got a bunch of help with my bow and arrow. I got this figured out. I’m about to run a rake through them. I know where they’re gonna be.
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And then you go out there, and they just kick your butt.
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Yeah. There’s no real figuring it out. Mhmm. I mean, you certainly, you get to your level arya level of Ram Haines or Remy Warren. You you you become very proficient. You understand what to do and what here it is. Find lost city in Mexico jungle by accident.
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Holy cow.
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Yeah. This is what it was. It wasn’t Guatemala. So archaeologists found pyramids, sports fields, causeways, and connecting districts, amphitheaters in the southern central state of ram Campeche? Campeche. Yeah. Campeche. They uncovered the hidden complex which they have called valor tyler valoriana valoriana using ai, tyler of laser survey that meh structures buried under vegetation.
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They believed it is second in density only to Calakmul, thought to be the largest Maya site in ancient Latin America. The team discovered 3 sites vatsal in a survey the size of Scotland’s capital Edinburgh by accident when one of the archaeologists browsed data on the Internet. That’s so crazy.
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They found it by accident.
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Sai, that’s amazing. And I caught the same vibe when I was down because we weren’t too far out of Campeche when it was turkey hunting. And so as we’re going through there, and there’s 1,000 and 1,000 and 1,000 of acres. I’m not even sure I set up. I don’t know if it’s, you know, governmently owned, in this case, Mexico or if it’s village. But when I saw that, even though we videoed it, I asked tyler.
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I come back and the main outfitter, he’s very fluid in English. He said, yeah. We don’t you know, there’s all kinds of stuff out there. We don’t talk about it a lot because this is our hunting ground. It’s almost like the buffalo drop.
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Right. They don’t want people archaeologists
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They really don’t want Ram Hancock down there with a team of filmmakers from California. Like, I don’t want it. And so
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I see their point, but I don’t.
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I I Ai absolutely. Yeah. And and they kind of, but I think that’s what’s fascinating about all that we’re able to talk about and share now culturally Yeah. Is we ai if you grow up hunting and fishing, well, I really assume everybody did. Ai Right. I didn’t think there was somebody that hadn’t eaten squirrel.
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I was just
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I I did a walk.
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I didn’t eat squirrel till I was 45 years old.
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That’s what that’s what I’m saying. And and I grew up to where, like, laying and eating with my papa, like, one day, damn it. I’m ai buy me some rib ai. You know? It’s like, you eat enough squirrel and rabbit, and it’s great, but Yeah. It’s almost like, man, I’m gonna get that big family pack of chicken.
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Right.
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And and we ate plenty of that, but it was always a fallback to where you understood the good Lord’s renewable resources and Yeah. How to hunt them. So taking an animal for table fare wasn’t anything at all to even cheer about other than, you know, almost in the blessing of blessing your food.
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Like, thank you lord for giving us this opportunity to have a place to hunt. So it would be a chance to go put a fish basket out. I remember my papa would taught me so many things. He made corn liquor and just country as a damn chicken coop. And, and I look back.
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He passed away when I was 12. Both of my granddads did, And my dad, Edwin Waddell, same way. I mean, they taught me so much, but I just assumed this is what every man was. And I figured this is what everybody knew.
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Because that’s how you grew up.
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Yeah. And I remember I started working in the hunting industry when I was young. I remember Sai tell this story. I just remember, like, going to a nice restaurant and people ordering appetizers. I’m like, what what are we doing? What are we doing?
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Like, what does that mean?
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He was ai, bring us some, ceviche and, some calamari and you you guys like cheese sticks? Ai. I know they’re unhealthy. Ai like cheese because, like, I like cheese sticks and, like, you know, like and then all of a sudden, we’re sitting here chatting ai we arya, and everybody’s having a cocktail.
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And I’m like, man, I’m so happy. This is the funnest. I’m loving this. And I’m literally going back, and at the end of the ai, calling my dad, like, you ain’t gonna believe it. These everybody’s eating before you eat.
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Like, we we had we’re getting shrimp cocktail, and and, you know, and I’m over there. And it sounds crazy and almost, like, it’s exaggerated, but I was so overwhelmed. I was so intrigued with the city and just people. I would be the guy talking to everybody, you know, from the from the, you know, street people to, like, what’s up, dog?
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You know, like, you know, they’re, you know, like, man, what’s it like out here? You know, like, man, you ever you ever ate a pigeon? Man, I buy these pigeons. Go get you a couple ketchup packets from McDonald’s. Yeah. Get you a rock.
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Hell, people should hit and so I was it was almost ai the exact opposite from some of now my city friends who have gotten just enthralled with honey. Yeah. They introduced me to so much of the city culture that, you know, I still get excited. Everybody don’t think I would, but I Ai still love to get excited to go.
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I had a chance, Joe Montagna is is somebody who’s got a show on Outdoor Channel. So he has this big cigar, dinner every night in Bur I mean every year in Burbank. And sai all the Fuentes, you know, and all these different, you know, movie stars and stuff. And so he’s like, meh, why don’t you get a table?
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Come out and join us. I’m like, meh. I took my wife. We’re all country. I was so excited just to get dressed up, and everybody think I wouldn’t like it, but I was like, meh, this is cool.
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I’m out there having me a cigar. There’s the guy from Ai. I forget his name, but it’s in Karate Kid. They,
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yeah sure.
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And I’m like, I’m meeting some of these people, and I’m thinking it’s amazing how culturally being so country and how now I’m talking to some of these guys like, man dude you’re the hunting guy. Can you man why don’t you take me hunting? I’m intrigued with that. Yeah. And so now having a chance, I know you had like Jim Brewer on, which what a cool cat.
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I love Jim.
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He is so fun. Ai couldn’t hardly hunt with him or Theo for just constantly laughing. Sai mean, I I like to cut up and have good ai.
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The first time I went hunting, I went with, Ranella took me and Ai Saloni. And it’s the same deal. Brian Callan’s fucking hilarious. We’re just ai, laughing in Montana, freezing our dicks off, having a good time. My experience was the opposite. Always lived in cities. Always, you know, and then the first time I went hunting was with Ranella.
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I had I had been camping before when I was a kid, but there was I had no real exposure to nature. Right. And I remember just after that week doing it, I was like, I’m doing this for the rest of my ai. Like This
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hits you?
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Oh, a 100%. I I remember cooking the back straps over the fire. It was me and Ranella and and Saloni and the crew, and we’re just, like, sprinkling some, like, seasoned salt over these back straps and cooking them over the ai, and we’re eating them with our hands. And I was like, I’m doing this for the rest of my life. This is like one of the greatest moments I’ve ever had in my life.
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One of the greatest experiences. I felt so tuned into it. I was like, this is something I’ve been missing. Like, this is and it it’s a whole new world. I I explained it. I was like, it’s like you’re in a different dimension. The first time I shot a deer was on that show. Mhmm.
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So Ai never hunted an animal before. I’d only been fishing. And the first time I’m looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that ai, and I’m just calming myself to squeeze a shot. And I squeeze off the shah, and the deer drops like a stone. And I was like, oh meh god. I’m like, this is what I’m doing forever.
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Yes.
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And then once I started eating it, I was like, oh, this is this is my new thing. I’m like, I’m obsessed. I was obsessed.
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God. Yeah.
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Obsessed. And then obsessed with what I would all I had been missing. Just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything. The way people think of hunting, unfortunately, we’ve been poisoned by movies where the hunters are the bad guys. They’re always douchebags. They’re always Yeah.
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They’re always ai poaching animals and harassing people. Hunters in movies, it’s a trope that they’ve always been, like, cruel, evil people ai this Bambi.
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The Bambi. The Walt Disney movies are the worst.
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They ruin people. Yeah. They ruin this idea. People who buy burgers from McDonald’s Yeah. Will look down on someone who hunts an animal in the woods and it’s Correct. It’s just we’ve been our our brains have been distorted. Our perceptions have been distorted by media. And I realized that being in the woods hunting, I was, like, this first of all, this is very difficult to do.
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Mule deer hunting in Montana in October, freezing cold in the Missouri breaks, fascinating. Just the whole the the environment is so unforgiving and doesn’t give a fuck about you. No. The the quiet and the isolation out there and a weird kind of loneliness. Ai, a not loneliness, but a a a realization of where your place really is in the natural world. You’re you’re not special. No. You’re you’re not.
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There’s nothing significant about you.
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Crying of salt.
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Yeah. You’re just one of many living things trying to get along out here, trying to get by. And you have an advantage obviously because you have a rifle and you have binoculars and all that other good stuff. But the reality of it is it’s very very difficult to achieve success especially if you don’t know what you’re doing.
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I was very lucky to have a guy like Ranella show me around. But once you do it once, you’re ai, oh, god. Like, this is incredible. Like and then to eat that animal, completely different experience than any other meal I’ve ever had in my life.
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Yeah. It’s such a peace that comes with it, and I and I try to explain that, but there’s no way to explain it until you experience it. Right. You know, I was even trying to explain it to Theo. I don’t know if I got that across. We’d laugh you.
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Theo. Theo is a unique dude.
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Man, he’s one of the most I I’ve met quite a few people, not as many as you, but Theo ai far is one of the coolest unique people I’ve met. And I remember we get out and, we’re sana to turkey hunt, you know, and I knew first of all, I think I ruined his whole, excitement of it when I said, alright, ai.
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I’ll wake y’all up. We got about 4:35, you know. He sai, what’d you say, Waddell? I said, oh, man. I didn’t sign up for this. You know?
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I didn’t say this in a brochure. And I was like and so Caleb Presley, who Barstool Sports, he was there, and, I was a big fan of those guys. So I was I was trying to make sure I gave him the best experience I could, you know, because I you know, just like Renella did with you, I knew the magnitude of, okay, these ai, I hope they wanted it again.
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But we go out there, and, Theo had not been around a gun a lot. And, and so I figured it’d be easy. I had a 20 gauge. Ai, I can’t remember if it was a 20 or 12 gauge. I had a couple, but I put red dot those Bushnell red dot scopes on there to make it really easy, not have them shoot the bead.
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Just look through this optic and see the red dot, put it on the turkey’s head, pull the trigger. So Theo’s looking through that thing. So you want me to shoot now? I said, no, Theo. I mean, this it’s it’s not even daylight good. He’s got sunglasses on.
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And he says, he’s looking through this joke. He’s looking through this shotgun. He said, oh, man. He said, I see that red dot. He said, when I pull the trigger, it turned green.
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And I said, Theo, it’s a there’s clips of it, and I literally he said and then he looked at me and sai, who’s on the who’s on the other team? There he is. That’s it. No. No. Don’t shoot. Don’t shoot. Don’t. Don’t shoot. Don’t keep it. Keep fighting off the trigger. Okay. Alright. But see what I’m saying?
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You can see how you see the red dot. The red dot that go on his head if you can get him out. Alright. And who’s the other team? Who’s the other team? I think I I just wrote look. Did I say I take it?
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Bro, he lives in another dimension. Yes. Who’s the Theo lives in a neighboring meh, and he just comes and visits us.
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56:28
Oh, God.
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Yeah. Meh Theo and I went to the UFC, 2 weekends ago. Yeah. Last weekend? When was it? 2 weekends ago? We were in Vegas and then after the ai, we went to dinner. And, I swear to God, the dinner was it was an hour and a half of me and Theo ai, laughing. Just cry I mean, tears. I’m wiping my eyes.
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I can’t breathe. We’re I go, dude, this should have been a podcast. We should have filmed this.
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56:51
Oh, god. I can only imagine.
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We were crying. We were just he was saying the most ridiculous shit, and I was laughing so hard. It was so much fun. He’s so fun.
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57:00
He’s so fun. I I had so much fun with that guy, man. And he said so much that I couldn’t speak. That was so funny. And then they said so much that I could, but I hadn’t met anything quite like him. And, he’s so unique. One of
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a kind. He’s a one of a kind.
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57:15
Such a big heart too, man.
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Oh, he’s a sweetheart. Such a nice guy. He’s such a kind person and just, a very unique talent.
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And and that’s the thing too. You know, Caleb, on the other hand, he ended up did getting the turkey, Caleb. And, he kinda he kinda took to it pretty quick. Theo liked it, but I think his attention if it is attention deficit, he definitely had it.
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He’s got that.
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And he was he was kinda cool. And and anyway and I realized Theo had more fun just kind of walking around checking out the cows and Yeah. It just I mean dude that would be a whole you could do a a speak of Theo just walking around maybe after a mushroom or something. Just let him walk around and just describe what he’s seeing. Ai I mean, our producer come back and he I saw him way away. I was tired, man.
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58:00
I’ve been hunting a lot. He said, meh, we’re gonna go take an adventure, walk around the the ranch, you know, farm. It was down in South Florida and come back. Our producer was laughing. He said, man, I I can’t even tell you all I heard and what Theo was saying.
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58:12
He said, I I’ve never laughed so hard. And, I said, I can only imagine. I can only imagine, but, but, yeah, man. I don’t know. It’s just like that that part.
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I think that’s the most beautiful thing for me coming from where I come from and even, you know, seeing all the different people from all these cultures. And there’s so much and and I’ve completely understood this too. There’s so little that separate us all from from the most rural country guy to the most urban city guy.
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No matter what race ethnicity, It’s amazing how there’s so much entertainment and things if you just open your ai, not pretend to know it all, to want to learn because there’s so much you can teach me, so much I can teach you, and it’s just amazing. And it’s definitely given me a whole lot better perspective. And and I I don’t know.
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That that’s been probably the coolest part of what I’ve had a chance to go on an adventure and a journey is to be able to, you know, meet ai like Brewer who’s like you know, he didn’t really wasn’t not intrigued with hunting. It was more the conspiracy of what was going down, and ai, dude, I went to go get some chicken breast and some chicken wings to watch football.
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59:15
You couldn’t find any. The government, Fauci, is making me learn what’ll teach me how to kill a turkey. You know, on the other hand, first morning out, Jim kills 1. And so, you know, you’ve hunted enough, you and Cam, where, you know, you get an elk and it is a reverence. It’s not like you everybody reacts different.
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So but if, you know, if you played a good era, kind of the Ted Nugent, the spirit of the era, spirit of the ai, and that era goes in there and you you’ve worked for it, you practice. And when it you know it’s a good ethical shot and you know that you got and essentially put the tag on that bull, it is almost like spike some people, it’s almost like spiking the football when you get a touchdown.
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Yeah. So I was so excited that Jim Brewer had just got a turkey. That me and and I had Ira Dean, who used to be in that country group Trick Pony, who is just a trip in itself. He’s good friends with Jim, and they live somewhere close down there in Naples, Florida. And me and Ira are just grabbing him. Look like you wrestling jiu jitsu.
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I got him in here, like, you got him, Jim. You know, you know, and we’re ai, you know, punching him. Like, you smoked him. You knocked you dude ai in the head. You know, we high fiving him. Jim’s just over ai like like Overwhelmed. The like the woman in the shower on Ai.
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Like, what did I just do? I just killed something. And then and all of a sudden, I forgot. This is a guy in the movies. This is a comedian that I grew up as a kid watching on Saturday Night Live. He’s never been there.
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Right.
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And and so, and then we slowed down, and it wasn’t even hardly any time after that. You know, Jim’s just sitting there and he takes the turkey and he’s holding it ai a like a little puppy dog, and he’s holding it. And Ira, my buddy, gets it. He grabs his speak and say, hello, Jim.
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And he’s and I think even Jim talks about it, but I I I just sai back and I’m like, man, what how cool is this? Yeah. You know? And then the same token, you know, Jim’s like, hey, meh. If you ever down here and sana to come to one of my comedy shows and, you know, for my wife and friend to go do that or or to to to see something I’ve never seen Yeah.
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Or go home and still tell my dad who’s 71, like, you’re not gonna believe, you know, what I saw in Austin. You’re not gonna believe what happened in
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Yeah.
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You know, wherever, Las Vegas. We’re at the SHOT Show. It’s I don’t know. It’s it’s pretty amazing.
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Of travel. Right? Like, the more environments you could go into, the more completely different cultures you could explore, you get a just a wider sense of humans. Yeah. And that that you ai, like, we have more in common than we do opposed to each other. We’re we’re we have much more that we share than we don’t.
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Correct.
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And the what really is is just ai what environment did you grow up in? You you grew up in the country, I grew up in the city. Yeah. But once you find common ground and once you experienced it, ai, experiencing nature for the first time for people that are in the city, it’s so overwhelming for them.
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It’s so interesting to watch them just walk around the woods and just be confused and not not knowing how to navigate, not knowing where they are and being exhausted, not knowing how much energy it takes going up hills.
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Or how we’re gonna get back?
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Yeah.
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Where are we at? Yeah.
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We’re 8 miles deep.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. We gotta walk 8 miles back. When is that gonna get us back? Well, probably 11 PM.
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Yeah. We’re gonna be it’s gonna be ai.
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Like, what? 11 PM? Yeah. We have headlights. Put on your headlamps. Like, what? We’re gonna walk in the dark with are there animals out there? There’s a lot of animals out here, and they know where you are before you know where they are.
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01:02:30
100%. Yeah. It it is it is so intriguing. And and to think about different world. It is a completely different world. And for meh, it was so cool. I’ve over the years working for different I call it more non endemic. Like you obviously meh think of Hoyt, you think of, Realtree, you think of these different companies that are around the hunting culture, but I remember one year I had a chance to work with Hormel Denny Denny Moore Stew.
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01:02:52
Hormel had Denny Moore beef stew. And so they did the sweepstakes, and, it’s ai win a turkey hunt with Michael Waddell. And so we did it, and they run 30 saloni ads. That was when, you know, everything was a bunch of 32nd ads. And so the guy wins it, him and his sana. And, well, they get there, and I realized they’d never hunted.
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And and and it was my first time to experience guiding somebody that knew nothing. I mean, I’d I’d guided a lot of rookies, but I’m talking about when I say had no clue of nature
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Never shot a gun.
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01:03:22
Never shot sai gun. I meh, immediately, you know, had a big Rambo knife tied on the side of the you know what? It’s ai, okay. And so I remember we walking and, and I realized that, okay, this would be fun for me because ram the basics of everything, just the mount, the streams to the tracks.
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01:03:41
Sai we’re walking along, and me and his son and him are talking. I sai, look here. This is a coyote track right here. Look at this. Cool.
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01:03:48
And you can see it in the sendero, a perfect coyote track. Oh, man. That’s cool. I’d ai, you know and everything he would relate to would be to a cartoon ai like the coyote on Bugs Bunny Bryden Shah. I said, Yeah.
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01:03:59
Like Bugs Bunny Roadrunner Saloni, but this is a real coyote. I said, Oh, this is cool. Check this out. This is a bobcat track. Oh, man. I sai, Look.
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01:04:08
Here’s a here’s a turkey track, but this is a hen track. This track is different. I’m explaining to him the different things. I mean, we saw everything that day from hog, javelin attracts. So ai, we’re walking. He’s just so cool with these tracks, like, taking pictures. He said, hey, man.
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01:04:22
Any any Cheetos around here? And I said, what? And he said, you know, Cheeto, you know, Cheetos. I said, are you talking about, like, Cheetos, like
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Snacks?
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Snacks? He said, oh, yeah. I mean, any of those animals? And I said, what? What? I swear Ai speak. Animals? He that just shows the disconnect. Cheetos, Chester the cheetah, which I guess is from a true animal, a a cheetah. But Chester Cheeto, he was like, is any of those tracks?
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01:04:55
Can you if you see one of those tracks, show me what a, you know, Chester Cheeto track looks like. I’m like, you know, we don’t have cheetahs, but there is no Chester the cheetah. But then it hit me. It’s like he was talking about the movies. Well Bambi is so real to them. The fox and the hound, I meh, it’s so real.
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01:05:12
It’s like, you know, somehow, you know, they they think that you go to Antarctica or or or North Pole and these polar bears are sitting having having a soda and high fiving and talking about Christmas. Yeah.
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01:05:22
Sai Klondike ai. Yeah.
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01:05:23
Eat Klondike bars. Ai, what’s up, what else?
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01:05:25
Yeah.
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01:05:25
Come over here, man. Right. Have a Coke with us. You know? It’s like, no. That’s not these animals will smell you and they come hunt you. They’d Yeah. Wait a minute. A seal that we got to wait days for him to come out of the hole and hunt them down or look. There’s a dude that’s been eating a lot of fried chicken and collard greens and cornbread. I Sai bet that sucker I bet he can’t run fast.
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01:05:46
Let’s go eat him. And so it’s just a disconnect of not knowing and thinking that everything is almost like going to the zoo. And then when it becomes hard, you know, and you’re 2 or 3 days in and you’re not had opportunities, like, dude, I what is going on? Like, it’s we’re hunting. I mean, I’ve even had them, like, dude, I thought you were good. Like, Ai mean, well, I’m I’m trying. I’m trying.
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01:06:09
It’s just this animal, it does not sana get on your plate.
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01:06:12
You know? It’s not an easy thing to do. No. And when that’s also the problem with hunting shows. It’s just a hunting shah. If it’s a half an hour show, it’s 22 minutes of actual footage. And so you’re boiling down a 10 day hunt to 22 minutes, and the reality is that gives a distorted perception to the people at home, like, oh, it’s easy.
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01:06:30
It’s easy.
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01:06:30
They just go there. They put the animal in their crosshair. That’s not fair. Like, you hear that all the time. That’s not fair. Like, survival is not fair. You think it’s fair that the lion gets to kill the gazelle? It’s not fair. No. Of course, it’s not fair. There’s nothing fair in nature. Why are elephants big?
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01:06:45
Why are mice small? There’s nothing fair. No. It’s not this fair doesn’t factor in. This is what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to survive.
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01:06:52
Obviously, you can go to the store, but out here, there’s no fucking stores. No. So out here, if you sana survive, if you sana if we lived here forever, this is the only environment you’re ever gonna be here till your heart stops beating.
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01:07:05
Correct.
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01:07:05
This is the only one way. You’ve gotta figure out the ai. You gotta figure out where they are. You gotta pattern them. You gotta figure out how to sneak up on them. You gotta figure out how to execute a shot without getting buck fever.
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01:07:16
Yep.
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You gotta do all these things. Like, this is the only way.
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01:07:19
It’s so deep. You’re right. And it is difficult. You just can’t boil
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01:07:23
it down to 10. Like, Pedro does a really good job of showing, like, how difficult it is on these crazy adventure hunts that he does. But even still, it’s an hour, hour and a half. Like, the reality is it’s 10 fucking days, man. 10 days That’s right. 10 to 12 miles a day, sweating your ass up, coming back exhausted, your feet hurt, your back’s killing you, and just and you sleep so hard.
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01:07:44
You sleep like a dead meh. And then that alarm clock goes off at 4:30 at the point, like,
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01:07:49
oh, you get some
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coffee in you with a jet boil, and you’re freezing, you’re trying to warm your hands up, and then you’re off again.
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01:07:56
Yep. But it it still almost feels like I always talk about hunting and opening a day. It’s kinda like Christmas. It’s like, you know, when you finally do get to that September, and I ai use elk hunting as an example because I know you love elk hunting. It’s almost like you are tired. You’ve been grinding. You’ve had, you know, doing your your daily gigs of whatever you’re doing, the responsibilities of everything in your life.
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01:08:17
Finally, I’m in Elk Ram, and you’re already ai. And that first morning, you you maybe don’t sleep good because you’re anxious and ai. And then all of a sudden, you finally fall in a deep speak, and all of a meh, you’re like but then all of a sudden, it’s kinda like as a kid when Right.
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01:08:31
You’re waiting on Santa Claus. Ai, man, I’m not sleeping. I’m listening for him. Ai left milk milk cookie for him and then Right. But then you fell asleep deep and all of a sudden, you you wake up like, ai. Santa Claus. So you jump up and you’re still ai.
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01:08:42
And so hunting to me is still that. But,
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that’s amazing. It’s still that after all these years.
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01:08:47
I I still get excited.
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So that’s the same with Cam. I mean, he’s been hunting his whole life. He still loves it more than anything. I I plan on it so hardcore that, like, when Netflix gave me a comedy special
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01:08:57
Yeah.
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01:08:57
I had to make sure that it was the beginning of August. I was, like, I need time to get ready. Yeah. Because, like, I have a whole training routine and a shooting routine and, you know, I wanna make sure I’m shooting a 100 hours a day, 7 7 days a week. I wanna make sure my accuracy is fully dialed in. I have a 100% confidence. My cardio’s on point. I gotta be ready.
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01:09:17
So I was like, it can’t be any later than, like, August 5th. I’m like, I need I need, like, 4 hard weeks of I mean, I’m training for it all year round, but 4 hard weeks. Almost like you’re getting ready for a fight.
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01:09:30
In some of those meetings still, do you still have maybe executives looking at you ai
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01:09:34
Oh, yeah. They ask weird questions.
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01:09:35
I don’t understand that. Ai, so September 12th through 23rd
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01:09:40
is You’re not gonna find me.
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01:09:41
Yeah. And to them, they don’t understand ai, like, you know, outside of people playing football, like, you still see the Christmas games and the Christmas season or Thanksgiving. But for me, like, Thanksgiving and Christmas, very rarely, you know, all of us ai of like, I’m taking that day. You know, I’m taking that day.
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01:09:57
And that’s kind of like unfortunately, now we’re getting these hobbies of honey. Like, okay. I can’t do anything your 1st week in April. That’s turkey season. And then September oh, man. That whole month’s gone. Yeah. And November oh, man. The deer are rutting. I don’t know that y’all got anything in July?
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01:10:14
Ai had big guests, like, important guests Yeah. That wanted to come in, like, September 10th. I’m like, that’s not gonna work. Can’t do it. It’s not gonna happen. Well, it’s the only time he’s in America. It’s not gonna work. Sorry. Know if he come back. Yeah. Let me know if he come back. I’m not missing that.
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01:10:29
It’s just
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it’s my favorite time of the year. There’s ai like it. Funny story. It happened similar. You you know, people wonder, like, do you ever get tired of it? You really don’t. I mean, I’m sure, like, you, you know, obviously, I sai in the comedian world to kind of draw parallels, that opportunity to go out for 30 minutes or an hour, to make someone laugh and and they’re digging on the stuff that you’re performing.
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01:10:51
There’s gotta be a a a natural high that comes with it. So there becomes an addictive quality to it, and it’s not necessarily about the money. It’s just a certain situation that feels good. So you wonder, like, when do I sana step down for this? And it’s kinda like, you know, Keith Richards playing a guitar. Maybe never. It’s ai this is part of it, and I think hunting becomes like that.
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01:11:09
And to the point with me, like, the things I love, Ai been blessed that in Evolue, my financial opportunities have came from promoting hunting and working for different partners as is Ram, in many of us. Ram, Steve, a lot of us. But, I’m still so addicted to the point to where my wife, she loves country music, my wife, Christy.
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And so through people we meet, we’ve got invited to some really cool things, you know, from get togethers to to parties, to situations, awards, to ceremonies, to different clubs. And so a lot of times, we’ll try to go, and it’s actually a cool thing for me because, hey, man. I met this person.
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01:11:45
Would you like to do this or that? And one thing in particular happened. My wife loves country music, and there’s a lot of those country music guys that that I hunt with. So I had gotten a text from and a guy that was having the some award ceremony, around the country music.
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01:11:59
I forget which one it was, but when they had it to Dallas Stadium. And, anyway, they I had got invited. He said, hey. If you wanna come out, Waddell, look, man. We we’d like to have you at the you know, man, we’ll we’ll treat you like one of the singers, you know.
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01:12:12
And, so ai, I said, oh, dude. What’s the dates? And they sai, it’s April, like, it was a I forget what it was. It was whatever it was, it hit right in turkey season. Ai, right when I knew. I hadn’t even had anything planned.
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01:12:24
This was time, but I knew, kind of like, you know, September. So I said, man, I’m sorry. Thank you so much for the invite, but I’m not gonna be able to make it. Well, my wife and I don’t have a relationship where we’re going through each other’s phones and stuff like that, but that particular, my phone was setting it was maybe a week later setting there, and that same gentleman had texted me on another matter.
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01:12:44
And so he had just texted meh. So I said, Christy, get my phone. So she did, and somehow that guy she just happened to look at that text, and all of a sudden, I couldn’t figure out. She was just kinda giving me the cold shoulder. Like, the rest of the day, I’m like, what did I do?
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01:12:59
And I couldn’t figure out what I did, you know. So ai, I was like, look, baby. You know, I figured out a lot of things by the elk and turkey. I ain’t figured out a woman completely. You know, so I know I done pissed you off some kind of way. I don’t know what I did, but, you know, help me understand. She’s, you know what?
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01:13:14
I do have a bone to pick with you. And I was like, okay. Well, let me have it. You know? Let me have it.
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01:13:18
And I’m already thinking I ain’t did sai. You know? I don’t think. She said, you know what? I know you like hunt turkeys. I’m like, okay. Alright.
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01:13:25
And I’m like, yeah. I love to hunt turkeys. She said, but you know what? We could take one night and go to a really cool award ceremony. Maybe we could hang out with Blake and have a drink and just chill and relax, and Luke was gonna be and I and I and I was like, what are you talking about?
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01:13:41
And then she said, well, I saw the text, and we were invited to go to the awards. And and you quickly just said no. Didn’t even talk. And I’m I’m like and then Ai hit me like what a self I don’t know how many turkeys I’ve seen shot or how many turkeys I’ve shot myself, but here it is, I’m 50 years old, and I’m saying no just like that without hesitation to Right.
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01:14:05
No. I meh, that would be fun. In my mind, I’m thinking, dude, if that was June or Ai, and ai I had your number, Ai be texting everybody, dude, are y’all going? You can we Yeah. Can we have a drink? Hang out?
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Sure.
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But it’s ai, nope. It wouldn’t matter if Elvis Presley is sana be the show I was like and then it hit me. I’m like, man, I am A little selfish. Selfish. Yeah. And it hit me there, and I and I ai I did. I sincerely sai, I’m sorry because you’re right.
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01:14:30
I could have just got a commercial flight. We could have flew out there and spent a great evening, had a great date night, and saw the awards and come back. But in my mind, I’m thinking why would anybody go to a big city in the middle of Turkey City? I don’t understand that, And I’m trying to
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01:14:46
I’m still learning. Still learning. You know? So Well, the the reality of it is if you haven’t experienced hunting, you don’t understand why people are so drawn to it and why it’s the experience is so much more powerful than anything else you have in life other than the birth of your children, you know, being in love.
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01:15:06
There’s a bunch of experiences that are wonderful in the regular modern civilized life. But when you get that bug, you get that bug, you know, you get that bug. When you when you hear the shah of that fucking arrow hitting the vitals and you see the spot right in the golden triangle, you see the blood dripping down and you see him stumbling forward, you’re like, we got him.
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We got him. And every sense in your body is on 10. Your your fucking goosebumps have goosebumps. Everything. It’s just there’s nothing like it in the world.
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01:15:40
You wanna stand up Yeah.
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01:15:42
And tie that bandana ai on Rambo First Blood, like like, it’s just you just it I don’t know. It’s crazy feeling, and I hope more people get a chance to experience it. It but it is Ai so hard to do. It’s so
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01:15:55
hard. Especially, like, archery, elk hunting, or archery, mule deer hunting, probably even more difficult.
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01:16:01
I agree.
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It is so hard to do. To get someone addicted to that, boy, you gotta you you’ve gotta get a special kind of person that’s willing to, like the learning curve is so long.
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01:16:13
And the physicality of that hot desert mule deer. Yes. Oh, it’s
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brutal. And also, those motherfuckers are smart.
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01:16:20
Oh, yeah. You think they’re not?
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They’ve been ducking mountain lions for 5, 6 years, and they know any little snap of a branch, any little, like, moving of a rock that sound like it might have been a predator’s paw.
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01:16:32
Oh, yeah.
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They’re on a swivel. They’re up, and they’re bouncing. Boing. Boing. Boing. See you.
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01:16:37
They’re going. And that’s what the other thing people don’t ai. You know, they think, oh, you you you hunters are going out there and, you know, getting these animals. And, you know, obviously, the hunters have such a responsibility in the balance of of a lot of things, you know, and mother nature is, first of all, very bryden, and there’s a lot to be learned through nature.
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01:16:55
There’s a lot of things we think we know, but then if you really dig deep and you’re in the mountains, you realize, wait a minute, that was all human nature. This is nature. There’s a difference, you know. Sai many examples, that you can get into, but at the end of the day, these deer also have coyotes.
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01:17:10
Now they reintroduce wolves in some of these places, and they have done studies, that in some cases, they feel like an adult male mountain lion can kill up to a 100 mule deer. 1 mountain lion. So you’re talking 80 to a 100 animals that they kill. So when you think about us, even if we’re athletic Is that a year?
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01:17:29
That’s a year. That’s one. And they’ve done all ai of studies. I know the the, state of Utah has been really proactive, which is great. And what Ai love about Utah Game of Fish is what they’re doing.
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01:17:41
They’re listening to a lot of these mountaineering type of guys who are not, you know, have a doctorate in biology or are balancing nature. They’re just ranchers, they’re outfitters, they’re hunters, they’re somebody that’s immersed themselves. And you know they might not can sit there and restart recite Shakespeare, but they can certainly tell you what they’ve seen.
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01:18:01
They don’t claim to know it all, but they can tell you things that they are seeing out there.
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01:18:05
There’s different kinds of intelligence. 100%. Yeah.
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01:18:08
And then and a lot of and and a lot of the, Game of Fish, sometimes will get at times, arrogant to say, well, what what am I gonna learn from a Joe? What am I gonna learn from Michael Whaddell? What am I Remy Warren? Come on, dude. Okay. You hunt a lot, but, you know, I got a doctorate in this.
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01:18:24
Well, like Ai
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is a great example. Like, a lot of their game and fish. I don’t even think they call it game and fish. I think they call it fish and wildlife.
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01:18:32
Correct.
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Yeah. Because they don’t want the the concept of game to be introduced meaning meaning hunted. They their their thought is they wanna get it to the point where the predators and the prey balance each other out where there’s no need for hunting, and they would like to reintroduce wolves to help them.
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01:18:48
They do. That’s it’s animal activists that have taken these positions that should be held by wildlife biologists who have an objective understanding of the populations and how to keep them healthy. And the way they’re doing it in California is you got mountain lions everywhere.
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01:19:03
Yeah.
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01:19:04
In this one ranch that I hunt, they had a water hole, they had a a pond, and they had a trail cam. They found 18 different cats that visited this trail cam. Sai that? Eighteen different mountain lions.
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01:19:16
That goes beyond what biologists will tell you. As a matter of fact, a lot of times, a lot of the studies are now it’s been changed and everything. The goalpost are being adjusted. But there was a ai, I think it was 28 square mile radius that I know at least in the state of Utah.
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01:19:31
So I’m not saying every game of fish department, you know, I call it our fishing game or fish and wildlife would say, but they had specifically they said a male mountain lion basically controlled 28 miles diameter only to find that in Utah, I’ve got some friends and outfitters that went out there when they did have the quota tags.
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01:19:50
Now you can just buy ai tag over the counter and you can or get depredation. You can hunt mountain ai all the time because they realize look these mountain lions are killing a lot of a lot of mule deer specifically. On top of that you can’t can don’t know what the winter is going to be and what that’s going to kill.
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01:20:04
Then you got wolves, you got bear, you got all this stuff. This outfitter took a business card and he put it down. He said, Well, I know y’all think this, but I want to show y’all what I filled the quota. He said, I shot 10 mountain lions in this business card. He said 3 of them was here. So your theory that 1 male mountain lion is in this 28 mile diameter is completely busted.
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01:20:26
This is not on anything I’ve studied. I didn’t go to Harvard. I didn’t go to Auburn University in the wildlife department. I don’t have trail cameras out there. I’m just telling you that with meh bone hounds, this is a true statistic. Here’s the photos.
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01:20:39
And so what has happened, a lot of those people got together, and what I love about Utah, they are listening, and they’re saying, okay. They’re so so hillbilly knows something. Let’s listen to them. And so they’re adjusting, and now the deer numbers are going up. The hunting’s getting bryden, and, and and it’s unfortunate that that really some of these people might be right that nature does have a great way of balancing vatsal.
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01:21:02
Very more way more brutal than what you and I would approach Yeah. The management process. But everything’s changing. I mean, you you know, you talk about California. You talk about how they reintroduced the wolf, say, in Colorado.
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01:21:15
Well, all that was voted in in a very urban area, specifically Aspen, all the ranchers,
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01:21:20
all that. Think it should be voted in at all. It shouldn’t be. And it’s Ballot biology to me is ridiculous.
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01:21:24
It don’t make sense.
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01:21:25
You should have to have an understanding about what you’re voting on from perspective of the people that are actually in the field.
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01:21:31
Correct.
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And the reality of mountain lions is, like, you’re not gonna get an accurate assessment from someone who visits it once a month.
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01:21:37
They think you can go out there and and and sell tourist tickets to watch the mountain lions. You can’t find them. I I tell
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you They’re there, and they know you’re coming. They smell you miles away. They’re not gonna be anywhere near you. And if you do see them, it’s rare.
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01:21:50
I heard Ranella, because Ranella spends a lot of time in desolate places, and I didn’t specifically talk to Cam. But kinda in perspective, I started working in the area of either guiding or working with an outfitter, working with companies that were doing shows for, at the time, TNN that turned into ESPN, now Outdoor Channel, now YouTube, so on and so forth.
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01:22:12
Well, so as a young kid, you know, in rural Georgia, I finally had a chance to start going and seeing these places from Saskatchewan to all over Canada. I got to go to Africa, all over Meh, and now I’m hunting all across the western landscape, not just in Georgia hunting whitetails and turkeys and squirrels there.
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01:22:29
I’ve only saw 1 mountain lion in the daylight. 1. Now I’ve spent tons. I think Ranella said he saw 6 in his lifetime in in the daylight. So what you ai, if you see a mountain lion in the daylight now I’ve seen a lot of mountain lions, but they all have been in a tree behind a dog or running behind a dog.
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01:22:48
I’m talking about just you and I glassing, looking for mule deer and ai, Joe, mountain lion.
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Right.
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Don’t see them.
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01:22:54
You don’t see them.
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01:22:54
And sana with wolves. I’ve seen 2 wolves in my life. Both arya in one was in the Yukon, one was in Alaska, in the daylight. I’ve heard them countless times. You know, we’ve been camping in spike tents, and you hear the wolves. I’ve heard them all across places where wolves exist, but you don’t see them. Another perspective is even coyotes.
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01:23:12
I have 500, a little over 500 acres I live on in Georgia, and so I noticed that I was finding all kind of, you know, fawns, and they did a bunch of studies from University of Georgia, Auburn University, talking about how many deer that coyotes eat, which can’t blame them. Why would you not eat a fawn in the fawning time of year and feed your your pups?
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01:23:32
So I decided, actually of all people who got me into trapping, it was Blake Shelton. He was trapping in Oklahoma sana loves it. And, so I’m like, my god. If this country singer hosted Meh, you know, or or The Voice can trap, I I gotta get learn about this. So I dug deep in ai and 20, man.
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01:23:49
I just dug in and just learned a lot more about trapping and started putting out dirt hole traps or or leg hole, dirt dirt hole traps and different things. And, so I caught in 2021, I caught like 22 1 year, 19 another year, just on 500 acres.
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Wow.
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And if we go hunting tomorrow now think about 20 dogs that are smaller than a German shepherd, but a small, you know, canine dog that lives on your property, some are passing through, to think that in a 4 week period, I could catch 22 coyotes that at times, you know, hunting a lot, I would see see them time to time. Along that, I also caught 7 fox and 2 bobcats, and I don’t know how many coons and possums.
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01:24:34
So for people to think that you see this all the time, you don’t. I live there, and when I’m home, every day Ai up and I’m riding, checking food plots, putting in food plots. I got bulldozers. I got different things to tractors ai to make the wildlife habitat better, to make sure I got better areas for my turkeys to brood, making sure I’m planting resources, and I don’t see these things.
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01:24:55
And this is all I’ve ever done, so the people that live in Aspen are just out of LA, you know, not trying to throw shade on them, but you don’t know, man. Ai I don’t I don’t know how to hit a half pipe like Tony Tony Hawk either. Right. So I’m still learning. And so for me to say that and to think that you can just spend nearly 4.8 million, $5,000,000 to reintroduce wolves sana think you’re gonna get tourists come out there and look at them.
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01:25:18
These wolves, if they could talk, they’re ai, these people don’t have a clue. You’re never gonna see me.
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01:25:22
Well, not only that, but they took wolves that were already depredating livestock.
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01:25:26
Yeah.
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That’s the ones that they captured, and they moved them to Colorado where they’re gonna continue to do the same thing.
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01:25:30
I just Sai read something the other day. They you sai they’re removing one of those herds? They’re trapping them and removing them because of all the depredation of killing livestock. Yeah. Guess what? If a mountain lion kills a 100 deer, one, and then he’s okay. God bless the fact that he is nature, and he’s hunting a deer or an elk. But guess what they do when that starts running low?
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01:25:52
They’re like, man, that dog looks good.
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01:25:54
Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday that San Francisco, when they kill mountain lions in the the Bay Area, 50% of their diet is pets.
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01:26:01
Ain’t that something? And all is well. All these PETA meh, they’re all ai, longest is your dog and your cat. Yeah. You know, and we but all of a sudden, you let a herd of deer come in and eat their $40,000 worth of landscaping and a mountain lion killed their pet. They’re secretly calling me like, hey, hey, bone collector. I’m not gonna ai. That’s a little fits sai butt.
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01:26:24
We need you.
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01:26:25
Sai how quiet is your bow and arrow? It’s like, oh Yeah. Hypocrisy. Is this hypocrisy.com calling me? It’s like, well, it’s uneducated. It’s uneducated.
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01:26:38
They just don’t know what they’re talking about, and they don’t have any experience in it. And, again, like ai we talked about, like, the the ai, the the mass media idea of a hunter is very negative.
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01:26:49
It’s very negative.
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Very negative.
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01:26:51
It’s it’s sad because what you’ll find too, is is some of the best people in society.
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01:26:57
Best people.
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01:26:57
I mean, they’re they’re really down to earth. Mhmm. I mean, sai around a campfire with somebody that’s grew up, very rural. Their excitement of talking about everything typically is pretty awesome from
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Also their appreciation of hard work.
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They very much appreciate. And I and I think that’s even my dad, man, he he’s 71. And I said, dad, you ain’t gonna believe it. Yeah. Joe Rogan text me and invited me to come up on the shah, and he said, man, I like that Rogan. He said, that dude it’s funny. Anytime I talk about my dad, I gotta, you know, go into that impersonation. Like, that Joe, meh. He’s stout. He’s stout. He’s stout, man. He work out a lot.
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01:27:35
You know? And I’m thinking, how does my dad know the routine? You know, knows that Ai I like him. I, you know, of course, he loved he loved that you had Trump on and that you had had ai of bringing some some light to that and give him an opportunity to talk. And so I find across the board, same conversation I had talking to some squirrel hunters, talking about Cam Haines. You know, it’s like Cam is a beast.
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01:27:59
You know, he runs and he does this stuff. And what brought me and Cam back together to to even going out and talking on his podcast, you know, we grew up close to the same age, same trajectory. I’m the southern guy. He’s a west guy. He’s a fitness ai.
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01:28:13
You know, Ai kind of a little Debbie eater, Fried chicken collard green, but we still figured out a way. I always said somebody asked me, what’s the difference between you and Cameron Haynes? I said Cameron Haynes runs quickly to the top of the mountain. And I sai down and I called him off the mountain.
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01:28:27
Sai ai I’m gonna figure out how to communicate with them, you know, and
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01:28:30
I said There’s
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01:28:31
a lot of different ways to There’s a lot of different ways to skin the cat ai they would sai, but at the end of the day, I was talking to some squirrel hunters over in Alabama, and these guys prototypical ai you’d pull up. Looked like Billy Coleman from Where the Red Fern Grows, you know, had had squirrel dogs.
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01:28:45
And and one of the guys, he had to be in his sixties, and, literally, I had some chew in the back. He said, man, you’re friends without Cameron Hanes? And I said, I am. I said, I I I I’ve known Cameron a long time. Meh said, man, he seemed like a good dude.
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01:28:57
And I don’t know why he hit meh. Like, this guy, I wouldn’t expect to mention Cameron. And so quickly, I contacted Cameron. I said, man, this had a cool conversation. And so he and I quickly kind of said, man, ai why have we not even hunted together?
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01:29:12
Like, we’ve been at trade shows and stuff and done some stuff. And and, so that’s been really cool for me, an old friend I’ve known a long time, to get back in ram. And the conversations are so funny. We get to laughing and cutting up and and and and Ai don’t know. It’s crazy.
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01:29:27
And so Well,
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I think one of the beautiful things about social media for hunting and podcast for hunting is that people have an opportunity to hear a completely different perspective about what it is that wasn’t available before that. I got into hunting because I started watching Spirit of the Wild. Ted Nugent.
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01:29:45
Ai love Ted.
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01:29:45
That’s when I got fascinated with it. And then I watched Ranella’s original show which, ai, god. I can’t remember the name of it. He had a show It
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01:29:53
wasn’t MeatEater though.
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01:29:54
No. No. No. Before MeatEater. Yeah. God, I forget the name of it. But, his show, it didn’t last very long, but I thought it was really interesting. And, I knew Helen Cho because Helen Cho who worked with Ranella on, that show, she also worked with Bourdain. And so, you know, I was friends with Bourdain and so I got introduced to them through that and Helen got Steve on the show.
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01:30:18
He didn’t even know what a podcast was.
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01:30:20
He did.
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01:30:20
He was ai, what are we doing here? We we went to we were filming out of the Ai House in Pasadena at that ai. The Ice House, the comedy club in Pasadena and that’s where we sai our studio. And so, it was Ronnell sitting there. He was like, oh, kinda a little dismissive of this. Like, what is this nonsense? Yeah. And then now he’s got one of the biggest podcasts in the space.
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01:30:37
He’s done a phenomenal job, man.
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01:30:39
Oh, he’s great.
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He has. I I was, when Ranelle had reached out and I had a chance to be on his podcast, you know, and I I would say I’m a very secure person. But at the same time, I I know I’m country. You know? I know I’m the, you know, for lack of better words, the guy that, you know, I kill a lot of stuff. You know?
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01:30:56
Ain’t no way to say it any better. I could say harvest, pluck, take, but at the end of the day, you know, I grew up where in Georgia, we could kill 10 deer legally a year. So mostly with a bow. And then Alabama, the neighboring state, you know, you could kill a buck and a doe a day for a long time in Alabama, and there was people that tried to do it.
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01:31:14
It wouldn’t ever did you get you a good one this year? Like, yep. 47. Like, what? Like, yeah. Sai shah. You know? And so That’s a lot of food.
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01:31:22
At first, I was you know, when I first started meeting and hanging with Ranelle, I thought, man, I hope you don’t think I’m just this old redneck crazy dude that you know? And then once we’ve become friends, it gets back to the whole how everything is so much tighter that you realize and how we all have so much respect for each other in different lanes of bringing it, and it’s just like anything.
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01:31:41
I mean, you know, you got different players on a team all playing for the same team, but they all have a different skill sai. And so, we all grow up a little different. And sai, again, I just assumed growing up in my small little area just out of, Manchester, Woodbury, Georgia, I really think the area I was from is called Booger Bottom, Georgia and I just thought, well, booger bottoms are everywhere.
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01:32:04
Well, you find out there is a lot of different little names. There are no lights there, but I just really assumed everybody did. And I was just completely devastated when I went to the city and, you know, and I’d tell somebody like, meh, you know, what do you do? It’s like, man, I work for a company. We do hunting shows.
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01:32:21
TNN, you know, I’m so proud thinking, man, I should be able to pass out a business card and meet a girl with this. You know, like, oh meh god. You’re a killer. You killed Bambi. And it just bro, it just completely devastated.
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01:32:33
Because you had never been around people who were anti hunting.
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01:32:35
I’ve never had. I didn’t know it existed. I mean, I was that naive. I did not know How old
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01:32:39
were you when you first encountered people that were anti hunting?
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01:32:42
I was in my early twenties. Wow. Yeah. I was in my early twenties and
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01:32:45
What how how was it to wrap your head around that?
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01:32:48
It blew me away.
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01:32:49
And And people that eat meat too, the way. Right?
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01:32:50
Yeah. I meh It’s really weird. It really hit me when I started traveling. I I literally was like a kid that was just, you know, getting up every morning for Christmas. I I was having a chance to work for Bill Bryden, and I meh him through winning a turkey calling contest. And, he asked me him and David Blanton, and I can’t say enough great things about Bill and David.
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01:33:10
David Blanton believed in me when I mean, he always believed in me so much, and he said, hey, man. We’d love you to help guide hunters. And back then, everything around hunting was media, outdoor life, Field of Stream. So there wasn’t any hunting shows, but then about that same time, TNN, after these NASCAR races, introduced an outdoor block, which if you go back and look, people like Jackie Bushman, at the time What year
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01:33:33
was this around?
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01:33:34
This would have been for me been ai it had been a ai or 3 or 4, somewhere ai in there.
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01:33:39
Did they even have rangefinders back then?
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01:33:41
No rangefinders. I bought the first one Ai ever seen. It was a Bushnell, and I still work with Bushnell. The thing looked like a car battery. I just had I mean, it literally you know, I had safety straps. I had, like, chains. Ai like 1 strongest man contest to hold this thing up, but, they had the little ones you could roll, and and it even tell you when the temperature changes.
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01:34:00
It’s gonna give you an inaccurate it’s gonna change with the weather. But, no, it was, you know, just guessing. But,
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01:34:06
was it a laser range, Vin?
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01:34:07
It was a the the the first ones was like a roller. You rolled 2 things. I forget how exactly it worked, but it come and it gave you basically a
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01:34:15
A rough estimate.
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01:34:16
A rough estimate. It’d be ai 42 yard 40 yards. And then Bushnell, to my knowledge, come out with 1. It was a bigger one. It looked like I said, it kind of looked like a small battery. It’s big and it had a laser on it, and you could range it, and it gave you, you know, the yardage.
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01:34:32
And obviously, it wasn’t angle compensated?
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01:34:35
It didn’t have any of the arya, the angle range compensation. It had any of that. And the first person I ever saw that even talked about that was Chuck Adams. I was videoing with him back in those T and N days. And
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01:34:45
and Chuck explain to people, like, the angle compensation is ai an arrow, is quicker going downhill. So if you’re shooting uphill or downhill, the angle, you have to gauge how fast the arrow is gonna go, the feet per second based on the angle. So if it might look like it’s 50 yards as the crow flies
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01:35:04
Yeah.
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01:35:05
Your your range ai might say 42. Correct. And you gotta put your rain you gotta put your ai at 42 yards, ai, you shoot right over its back. And it works. Yeah. It works really well.
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01:35:14
It’s unbelievable. And and, that to me, I didn’t know existed.
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01:35:17
Have you ever fucked around with those Garmin sights?
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01:35:20
No. I haven’t. I’ve always wanted to try one.
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01:35:23
It’s great in theory and great when it works.
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01:35:26
So when it works?
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Yeah. I’ve had I had a problem with it a couple of times and I gave up on them, and I’m hoping they’re gonna get better. And then then they outlawed them in Utah. I tried to bring it to Utah a couple of years ago and they had passed a law maybe last year. And, the best thing about it though, it’s like a red dot. You get that dot. You have a clear sight picture.
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01:35:46
You can see just that dot.
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01:35:47
Just that dot on the vitals. It’s amazing. And the the fact that you could go to full draw and just press a button to range and then sai maybe the animal moves 15 yards to the left, you hit it again, and you get a range and you have a perfect shot. But some people think that that’s cheating.
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01:36:03
That’s but it’s the sai it’s just taking a step out instead of picking your range ai off your bino pouch and checking it and then changing your ai and then drawing back. With this, you’re doing it right from draw. So from full draw, you can just keep getting ranges and then you can also hit it once and then the saloni time and you’ll get pins.
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01:36:23
So you get 20 to 80. Nice. Yeah. Sai even if you
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01:36:27
So then all your pins would come up based based on that.
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01:36:30
But if you just want an accurate range, you get that at one button press and it’ll give you exact range and, you know, it’s based on everything is compensated into the ai itself. So angle compensation is built into the site itself. You put in the speed of your arrow.
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01:36:47
So if you’re shooting 285 feet per saloni.
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01:36:49
Exactly. It’s all factored in to your bow. It’s pretty incredible.
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01:36:54
I liked that a lot because, and I think I’ve heard you even meh this. What I what I love about archery is, obviously, you got these windows. Everything ain’t just sitting out in the yard where you’re shooting Right. You’re shooting through the woods, especially if you’re out there elk hunting.
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01:37:07
You you got these windows, and, there was a ai years ago that I meh, and and it worked in theory great, but it was it wasn’t like the range or the the Arya, but they had these fiber optics that were glued to the middle of of a, basically, of of a piece of glass that went into the site housing.
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01:37:26
So you would buy this glass housing that okay. If your bow was 280 feet per sai or or 290 or 300, 320, And your pins were preset, so you went in and got your top pins dialed in. So then you had all these, but your site viewing was good. The problem was when it rained or if it got dirty. Foggy. Yeah.
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01:37:42
And what I did like about that is, is the fact that the reason I’ve always liked pins, multiple pins, is the fact that I could see my whole ai picture where my arrow is going from 20 all the way out to even if I’m shooting 80. In this case, most of my sai are set up from, say 20 to 60 or 20 to 70.
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01:38:01
I try to put as many pins on my side as I can. A lot of people don’t like it because they think it’s clutter, but once I’ve mentally got used to it, if I range a bull, say ai, when I pull back without having doing any other calculations, I put my 60 yard pin on that bull. It’s in the clear and then quickly now it’s like a, you know, memory of going back, and I quickly go back up to my 20 yard pin and I’m looking all the way down through and estimating is this arrow gonna Mhmm.
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01:38:28
Arc through. But basically ram 20 all the way out to my desired where I sana to hit, I can see the arc of my arrow based on my pin sai.
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01:38:36
Good. So So you know if there’s a gap in the tree I
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01:38:38
know the gap. Be able to get it right there. I know if I’m at 60 holding dead on that clear spot, but I got a limb at 30 and my 30 yard pins in the middle of it, I know, oh, crap. I’m gonna hit that. So now I can just squat down. So that’s why I don’t like as much a single pin technology.
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01:38:52
And then quickly what I like about the pins, it’s clutter. It’s kind of old fashioned, but I do like that a lot from that standpoint of trajectory of of the ability to to kind of kill, or to take and fill a tag. And, Cam and I talked a lot about those things. We talked a lot about the release.
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01:39:11
I definitely like, the, you know, I like the handheld ram, if I really want to try to hone in and be a little more disciplined and kind of feel it go, not feel it go off, and shoot with completely ai. I like that, but I don’t think that traditionally works as great for hunting because of the fact, I think you do have to know and to make that arrow go right now if you consistently have to.
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01:39:34
Even in Texas. I mean, we’re shooting animals at, you know, 20 to 30 yards, those deer. And,
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01:39:41
Sometimes the opportunity is
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01:39:42
right. Sometimes they walk in. They’re they’re dogging a doe. They’re coming in. Every deer ain’t coming in just to eat corn or eat in the food plot. They’re coming in. Ai got one thing on their ai, and that’s, you know, mama is ready. And so they’re coming in grunting. So that deer runs.
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01:39:55
He stops, and you gotta be at full draw. I know he’s 27. Come back, and you gotta send it right now.
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01:40:00
You know what I ai it as? The difference between practicing free throws and basketball.
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01:40:05
100%. That’s it. Stephane Curry Yeah. Is not it it is I mean, dude
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01:40:10
You don’t get a chance to set up and and have a surprise shot. 100%.
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01:40:14
Yeah. That’s a great way
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to to That’s really what it is. I think practicing, sure. But I think there’s moments where you gotta make that sucker go off. But then
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01:40:22
Oh, man. Yeah.
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01:40:23
There’s great hunters like Levi Morgan who hunts with a hinge.
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01:40:26
Oh, dude. I mean, just an animal. Yeah. He’s he’s probably the most decorated archer that I know. I meh, that dude
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01:40:33
Maybe of all time.
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01:40:34
Yeah. Because like, Ulmer, Gillingham, all those guys are heroes of mine. I mean, like, I very much look up to him. And if I can ever pull him aside, I just wear him out trying to learn, you know. Right. And, but Levi is right there, dude, far as winning and what he knows. And he you know what? Another thing about Levi, I ai give him credit.
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01:40:50
That dude is a cold blooded killer, man. He he is a great hunter too. Sometimes Sai don’t translate. I know some people that are great tournament. Right.
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01:40:59
I mean, 3 d tournament Vatsal, Abio winners. Right. But it doesn’t go over into the ability to just be tags.
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01:41:05
It’s free throws versus basketball. Yeah. No doubt. It really is. Like, you’re you’re standing weird. One leg is down, one leg is up. You know, you’re on the side of a hill. You gotta can’t your bow a little bit. You know, you you lean your bubble into the wind. There’s a lot of shit going on.
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01:41:20
A lot. Ai. A lot. And then you got the nerves. You never get completely over that. You know, people ask me all the time, do you ever get nervous or you get butt fever? Like, man, almost every time. It’s like, I think that’s when if if some of that meh, you get good at kind of somewhat like stage fright. I saw a clip of Elvis Presley.
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01:41:38
I thought it was so unique. I saw a clip of Elvis Presley, the other day on this YouTube clip, and he he was completely in panic. And this sai, like, right in the prime ram his career, and he was walking around. And and it was a narrator saying, meh, Elvis notoriously would get just afraid every time going on afraid. And I’m like, this is the king.
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01:41:55
Right.
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01:41:55
But but, he was just pacing, and he was being short with a couple of people. I wish I and, anyway, he walks out there. I’m sure he crushes it. But I think it’s similar to probably how some of those football players running out on the field. There’s no way you got all this clicking in your head.
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01:42:10
Like, oh, man. I gotta meh. Belichick has told me that he’s introduced his new offense. I’m not sure. I don’t know if I can read I don’t know ai I’m gonna read this offense.
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01:42:16
I think hunting’s similar is to where everything has to click, but you still get that now is my opportunity. Yes. And dude, it still is overwhelming. And then to control it, and then when you fit that air through that window, and then you can pick up the phone and call your family and ai, baby doll, don’t buy no steak because I’m bringing it home.
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01:42:37
It’s, it’s it’s it’s again, it’s just sana it’s not like you sana disrespect the animal, but you just achieve something. Grocery shopping in the wild is what you do. Yeah.
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01:42:48
Yeah. I think it’s something that’s very difficult to do that you care a lot about. And ai there’s something that’s very difficult to do that you care a lot about, you’re gonna get nervous.
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01:42:58
100%. And
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then when and especially with hunting, there’s one moment where you pull that trigger. This one moment. Yeah. You have this one moment. So you’ve been practicing, you’ve been preparing, you would pack in your gear, getting ready, all for this millisecond in time when you you release that arrow and you watch right in.
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Yeah. And it’s very difficult to master. Ai don’t think you ever master, you become proficient at it. You become good at it. But even the best hunters make bad shah sometimes.
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Absolutely.
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Animal moves, the wind takes the arrow in a weird direction, it hits a branch going in, you see it all the time. It’s not an easy thing to do, so, of course, you’re gonna have those nerves. But that’s part of the reward of being successful is that if you can get through that nervousness, And I think it helps you in everything you do in life.
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I think anytime you do something really hard, very difficult, I think that ability to overcome that difficult scenario helps you with everything in life.
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100%. And when it comes to archery too, you’re on that ragged line to where in your subconscious, you can go from you can be the hero or you can be 0 that quick. Right. All of that time, the money, the energy Mhmm. The time that you did step away from the Netflix special in your case because, hey, I’m elk hunting.
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Right.
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You you know, you gotta somehow communicate with your buddies. Oh, man. I missed. Or worse, I made a bad shot.
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01:44:21
Right.
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Let’s let’s let them lay. And so everything that you look forward to that whole year could you could let yourself down. So it’s a very individual lonely feeling.
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Yeah. And you can’t think about that before you pull the trigger. No. You can never think, I hope I don’t make a bad shot because you’ll make a bad shot.
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01:44:37
You can’t. And and I’m always, is you all are you always positively thinking when you’re ai, I’m about to put it on him? Yeah. Are you thinking positive? I have to. I do too.
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Yeah. I think you have to.
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01:44:49
I I was interested. You know, I was talking I mentioned Chuck Adams. Chuck told me that he did that exact opposite. He said ai I would say, hey. I’m gonna do my best. I’ll probably fail. It was almost like mister Rogers’ Neighborhood. I said, you’re kidding me. And and then to me, this ai the beast. Right.
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And the only other person in history I’ve ever heard that, there was a guy named Cabo, Kenny Bartram as a motocross. He was the first guy to ever do a back flip on a on a on a motorcycle, and he landed it. And so he went hunting with us one time in Texas, and I said, Kenny, how I mean, how much weed do you gotta smoke to get on the bike and think you can do a flip for the first time?
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He said, man, I just always thought I’d probably kill myself, but I tried. I said, so you never thought you would land it? He said, no. Ai time I try a trick, I think I’m about to wad it up. I said, oh my god. How do you how do you do that?
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And I’m thinking about me and my buddy, Boo Bishop, building a BMX track and building a little something we jumped over and thinking Ai be scared to, like Right. I could do this. Just jump over a little ramp. I never thought. Yeah. Jump in the ramp. Like, I’m probably gonna crash. I always would think I could.
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And then when I crash, I’d be, you know, like, surprised. Like, I can’t believe that. That hurt. You know? So Chuck and Kenny was the only guys I’ve ever thought that thought that. You know? That’s a weird one.
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Psychology. I don’t think that’s the best way to approach it.
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01:46:04
Me either. I mean, he’s a woman set.
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Good at it.
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01:46:06
Is there ever a comedian that walks out? It’s like, hey. I’m probably gonna bomb, but I’m ai do the best I can, or I’m gonna play this guitar the best I can. I don’t know. I just
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sometimes people talk like that, but I think they there’s they’re fishing for compliments,
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you know? For their own self.
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Yeah. I think, man, I hope this works well. And their friends are like, come on, man. You’re fucking hilarious. You’re gonna kill it. Oh, you think they might be, like, fishing for compliments?
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01:46:27
Yeah. Kinda like you’re tired and it’s 3rd down and it’s like, dude, come on, man. I’m gonna be open. Hit me.
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Yeah.
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You muster through. I know you’re limping. Hit me. I’ll call you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. You need a little of that sometimes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I think these experiences that we have that when we relay it to people, it it it’s it’s one of the only places, like, in podcasts. The only places where you can hear it this sai. And I think, that’s what we’re battling against. We’re battling against the media representations of hunting which is almost entirely negative.
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And these perceptions that people have that hunters are cruel and then then then there’s this term trophy. Yeah. Trophy like, that that is the mule deer that I ai with Ranallo. That’s the first
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01:47:09
Sai, that’s that’s awesome. Ai love that.
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And, you know, you could say that this is not a trophy mule deer. It’s not a very big mule deer. As far as mule deers go, this is, you know, mature buck, but he’s not a big one. Oh, he’s but
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But he’s beautiful. Yeah. To me,
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this is, this is where it all started. And this is a trophy. This is this if you went to a a trophy unit and you shot a deer like this, people are like, what are you doing? Why’d you shoot this? Why didn’t you hold out for a big mature one? But this is like, the term trophy gets thrown around and and, unfortunately, has a negative connotation.
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But
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It does.
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I think Ted puts it the best way, Ted Nugent. Yep. He says he sai, it’s all the things. It’s food. It’s trophy. It’s sport. It’s all those things together. You know, I don’t think of it as a sport ai you said. I think the the term sport, it’s, sports are awesome. Don’t get me wrong.
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But it’s not significant enough ai for what hunting is.
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01:48:08
100% ai I agree with that.
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You’re you’re taking a ai. You’re feeding yourself with that life. It’s more it’s more powerful than sport. And that’s why Sai think
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More. Yeah.
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When you call it the sport of hunting, I’m ai, I don’t like that term.
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01:48:21
I I agree with that too. As a matter of fact, if there’s any negative thing, I think the hunting industry and even TV shows that we produce can put a negative vibe potentially on trying to kill these big trophy animals. Don’t get me wrong. There’s nothing wrong with it. I ai, you you’re hunting Utah in places we get a chance to hunt. Absolutely.
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01:48:39
You’re looking for, in that case, a 7 to 8 year old bull. Right. You know, sometimes they might score 320 to 370. Right. At the end of the day, the trophy is for sure a mature animal.
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01:48:50
But you also got to keep in perspective, especially if you grow up where I did, where literally there’s, you know, 10 guys shared a 300 ai property that they just sana deer hunt, and they’re trying to get away. Keep in mind, they’re still managing a family. They’re still dealing with the economy.
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They’re still dealing with everyday strife of, man, how am I gonna get off work, still get my kid to soccer practice or football practice? My wife is pissed off. I hadn’t even took her to Applebee’s in the last 3 months. You know? And it’s ai Ai didn’t take the kids to, you know, Disney World, and the only family picture we got in front of the Shawnee’s big boy.
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01:49:26
So, man, what am I gonna do? But in the back of my mind, I was like, I sure would like to get off maybe Saturday. I could spend all the time to go up to the hunt lease and hang out, maybe get a chance to shoot a deer. They’re not necessarily thinking Ai gotta kill a deer to put it in Pope and Young and or Boone and Crockett. They’re looking it’s more than just a hunt.
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01:49:42
It is a getaway. It’s a, I call it it’s a it’s a cheapest, you know, antidepressant presence you can get on to where you can clear your ai. You can get away. Hopefully, you can turn your phone off. Get up in a tree stand or a saddle, whatever it is, whether you’re hunting public or private.
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01:49:57
And we miss that in the hunting industry so many ai. And there’s people that are literally busting their ass for their family. It’s not a sport to hunt, but it’s therapeutic. They grew up doing it to be able to sai around a fire with other men and women sometimes and get away to cleanse yourself of everything that’s going on.
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And, unfortunately, I think that’s what drives people sometimes crazy in the even in the city. Sometimes Sai I walked around Austin to today, early, had me a nice breakfast, and I just walked around and ended up running to this, children’s network that was trying to raise money where you can kind of adopt a kid and give them so much a month.
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So, man, I ai. Again, I talked to everybody. I just said, hey, meh. What y’all selling over here? Like, oh, man.
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Normally, people don’t come up and talk to us. We have to sell them. There’s a guy from Europe and and a sweet girl that was you could tell that bryden and raised right around here. Anyway, with that said, I ended up, you know, I said, man, I ai to pledge some money every month. So I picked meh out a kid in Guatemala.
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01:50:52
And so anyway, with that said, about that ai, here comes a street person, and he is cussing me and her, and that fell out. I mean, the most vile words you could I mean, cussing like a sailor as they would say meh, and I’m like, meh, what’s wrong with this guy? So I said, sai y’all get this a lot, you know, and it was just before not far from when I come over here.
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01:51:12
And the girl said, yeah, we do get that a lot. And the guy with the British accent or the European accent said, you know, we get it quite a bit, you know, he said, but I think there’s a bad batch of something right now. And I’m like, oh, really? He said, you know, he said, meh, people have been really mean lately. They’ve been yelling and cussing and screaming at us.
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And well, by the time a guy comes back and he’s like, UMFers, I know everything, and everybody’s retarded. And I’m and I’m like and he’s he’s right there, and he sai and I’m at the point to where, man, you know, I ain’t scared. You can and you can tell they experience it more than I do. And I’m sitting there watching this guy. And then all of a sudden, he’s just yelling, screaming.
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I said, hey, buddy. I said, just so you know, we on your side, man. We love you, bro. I said, you’re right. You know a lot more than people realize. You know a hell of a lot more than people realize. And I said, you cool. I’m on your team.
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So are they. And he said and and it was crazy. Joey looked ram him and sai, thank you. He left. And and it hit me. It was so weird.
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I got a little off track when I was talking about hunting, but I thought, man, the dude don’t really wanna be understood. He wants to be heard.
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Right.
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And I thought how ironic that I’m going to speak with Joe today. And, anyway, the girl and the guy says, I’ve never seen that happen. Like, that just got diffused.
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He treated him like a human.
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Yeah. And I said and and and ai, it’s almost like, you know, you know, I I’ve never figured out completely a lady, my wife. You know? Sometimes it’s always a game, like and I’ve I’ve learned that Ai don’t know that I’ll ever understand exactly what it is she wants, but I know she wants me to hear and pay attention.
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01:52:47
And I think that’s what society is doing, whether you’re a hunter, whether you’re from the city. And but overall, what I have found, whether you live in the city or the country, whether you get a chance to go to a rave or go to the mothership, which I hope to go by there or not.
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I just wanna check out the joint. You know? And and and so, anyway, when it’s all said and done, there’s something about the peace and tranquility that you can refuel out in the woods, and it brings everything to a to a focal point. And, and you can be still and be quiet, and it brings everything back.
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And so in reality, it’s not about people gonna think of you different if you shoot the biggest ai score in animal that you can put into Bryden Young or the Boone and Crockett record books. I think those of us, once we learn to respect each other’s each other and and love each other’s goals, that, yeah, if Ai know that your goal is to shoot sai a ai bull, that one day, you know, I’ll get a call and you’re sana be hyperventilating you’re like, I just did it.
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01:53:42
Ai, what? Like, dude, I speak, you know.
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Well, for people who don’t understand why that’s so interesting to us, it’s because they’re the most difficult ones to get because they’re the older, wiser ones. That’s that’s and also Yeah. When you look at it from a conservation standpoint, those are the ones that you wanna hunt because those are the ones who spread their genes and they’re probably about to get taken out by nature anyway.
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Correct.
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And you get an 8 year old elk or a 9 year old elk or a 10 year old elk. How many years do they have left? I shot 1 10 year old elk once his teeth were worn down almost nothing. Just an old tank. How much time did he have left? If
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Not much.
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Most ai, he was gonna either starve to death or freeze death or get stabbed in a fight with another elk. He’d get stabbed and wind up
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Mountain lion jump on him.
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Ai lion jump on him or freeze to death or, you know, a number of other very, very cruel endings that mean Ai shot that elk at 40 yards. It was a perfect shot. He was down at 15 seconds. It was no tracking. So it’s ai that elk died the best way
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Yes. He did. Possible. Yes. He did.
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He’s not he’s not they don’t live forever and become angels.
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01:54:51
And that is a very good death compared to Yes. A pack of wolves or mountain lions starting to eat on you sometimes before they’re even deceased. It happens all there’s sai many videos. Especially bears. Oh, bears are brutal, man. Oh. Bears are very brutal and selfish animals, man.
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Crazy. Like, hunting bears is the thing you get the most hate for.
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Oh, everybody thinks they’re cuddly. I mean, I don’t know if it’s a Winnie the Pooh type of
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thing. 100%.
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But it’s like Teddy bears
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and Yogi and all that shah. We’re all distorted. Like, when people sai, you’ve hunt bears, I go, I’ve eaten bears. I’ve eaten 3 bears. They’re delicious. Yeah. Like, what? You eat bears? I’m like, I’ll make you some bear sausage. Ai, and I’ll tell you what, you will fucking love it.
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If if especially if I don’t tell you what it is, you’ll go, what is this?
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01:55:34
This is great. It’s ai,
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it seems like beef but different.
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And then if they knew how embarrassed personality was, they would want I mean, you have
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to kill them.
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Oh, they they’ll kill their own kids Oh, yeah. And to breed mama to eat them. I mean, it’s it’s just a it’s a brutal world. I I you know, there was things before I even had a chance to hunt that I recognized just domestically, you know, ai know, raising rabbits, you know, you know, those rabbits would sometimes kill the the little baby rabbits for the right and opportunity to breed again real quick with the with the female in the pen, you know.
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01:56:05
And I realized and my pawpaw said, you gotta separate them. That buck rabbit had killed that. I’m like, man, I didn’t know that. You know, I’m 10, 11 years old trying to figure out how to raise some rabbits or watching hogs, you know, pigs. And he’d always had on a raised floor speak. He’d had raised up a few hogs. Man, them jokers are ai to kill each other. Meh.
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You know who does it? Dolphins.
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01:56:24
Dolphin. Are they brutal like that?
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Dolphins. We think of them sweet, intelligent. They commit infanticide all the time. What dolphin females have to do is they have to breed with as many males as possible because when a female dolphin has babies, she has to take care of that baby for about 6 years. So when the male dolphins recognize a female with babies and they don’t know that female, those are not his babies Yeah.
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He’ll kill those babies So that female dolphin will breed.
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01:56:53
So he wants to breed her?
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So she will breed with everybody possible. So nobody knows who the babies are. And so since they’re intelligent, they understand that they’ve they’ve bred with that female before. So that could be their their babies, so they don’t kill them.
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01:57:07
Sai, basically, all the dolphins are hoes? All hoes. Oh.
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Yeah. That’s how they have to be. That’s otherwise, their babies get killed. So they’ve adopted this polyamorous strategy to try to kill to keep the male dolphins from killing the babies.
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01:57:21
Well, that’s amazing. I mean, you watch the breeding season during elk, like he was talking about those elk ai. And ironically, they never they never get things confused. Those males are looking for the females. The females know that I’m a breed with this dude and Yep. Strongest ai.
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And they are you know, a lot of people say, oh, they’re really not trying to kill each other. No. You wasn’t out there. Ai didn’t watch this on that geo. This they’re trying to murder each other.
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Oh, I’ve seen some amazing epic elk fights. Some of the greatest things to see in nature, these big 800 pound animals running at each other with swords growing out of their heads. Clash.
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01:57:55
It sounds like an Clash. Like some kind of Scottish fight back in 1400.
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01:58:01
Like a like a sword fight almost. It’s ai cracking baseball bats together against each other, and you hear it loud.
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You’re ai, oh, shah. They’re fighting. It gives cold chills.
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Oh, it’s amazing. It’s it’s crazy to watch the brutality of it, and, you know, you’ll find them occasionally dead. Yeah. Because one of them has stabbed 1. We we found 1, I think I have video of it on my phone. He had a we were hunting him. He had a 6 inch tine sticking out of his neck. Holy cow. It was broken off, sticking out of his neck, and he’s still running his cows and bugling.
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I’m sure I have it. It’s
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01:58:34
I I Ai had we had the same similar thing in New Mexico this year. Nick Mundt, who’s hunts with one of my best friends, we hunt a lot together. He shot a good bull. Like, 1st morning, I was calling. It was classic man bull come in. He shot it, and we were scaping them out there on the side of the hill. And and all of a sudden, he said, look here, man.
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He had a he had a ai again about 4 inches, and it’s broke off just right all pussed up. Yeah. And this dude still come in.
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Yeah. I’m gonna send Jamie this this picture because it’s so or the video because it’s so crazy.
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01:59:02
It’s it’s so cool though to see that and and and experience it. And I I think it’s sad that most people don’t know. And there’s a lot of very smart people that in some cases, ai think it might be a little beneath them to to understand what maybe hunting is truly about other than maybe what they see on a Walt Disney movie.
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01:59:21
And, I think that is definitely kinda fueled me to be able to help educate and talk about those things. And I know Ronnell has done an amazing job of introducing that too, and there’s a lot of great ambassadors that we got right now doing that.
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Yeah. There it’s a great time to be educated about this and it’s a great ai. And there’s a lot of people that have gotten it really interested in hunting from those ai of conversations with Ranelle and with Ram
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No doubt.
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Myself. And how did you eventually get started doing it? Because, like, that’s every young guy’s dream that has ever hunted. Like, oh my god. Imagine, like, making a living doing that. Like, that’s what I would love to do.
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01:59:57
Oh, man.
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How did you how did you pull that off?
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One of one of the coolest stories, actually, and only in Meh, you don’t hear the story in Turkmenistan. But, you know, I I grew up, obviously, like I said, rule. I love to hunt and fish. Very simple. My dad was a contractor. So I really thought that that I wanted to maybe work with my dad or do what he did, hands on labor.
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I knew I didn’t sana be in office anyway. Ai try to keep it short, but it basically, what I end up doing is just enthralled. Ai mom passed away when I was young, 16, and so my dad and I become more like brothers. And my dad, he had a ai education, the hardest working man I’ve ever been around.
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02:00:36
And, and sai, anyway, we we love to hunt and fish and to become therapeutic. And so we got an I got a turkey calling and had won some contest and met some of, you know, my turkey calling heroes, and that’s where I met Bill Bryden and David Blanton. And I started guiding when I was probably 19. So and then one thing led to another.
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02:00:53
I started working full time there at Realtree, and just, as a guide, as a camera guy, they had that show on TNN, and so I was just literally camera jockeying it from skinning deer, guiding turkey hunters. And it was David Blanton who said, man, you know, there’s a lot more you could do.
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02:01:10
And so I I I kinda, by default, Joe, how I got lucky too was when I hooked up with those guys, David Blanton and Bill, I got to do some of the turkey calling tips because I had won some contest. And so even back on t n n, I was this young kid, and they were like, hey. We need a we need a tip.
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02:01:25
You know, the t n n tip of the week, you know, brought to you by fill line packs. You know, something to ai, you know, hey, man. I’m Michael Waddy. I want to talk to you about yapping the turkeys.
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I
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ain’t know nothing about TV. So it was never top of mind. Like, one day, I’ll be hunting on TV. I was just thinking, man, I love this enough that maybe I can do that I can work for this company. And I ai I remember they paid me a $100 a day to go guide some of my turkey hunting.
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02:01:47
And I told my dad, man, I’m about to get rich. Hey, listen to this. They’ll pay you this thing called mileage. I had no beat up Toyota truck, 4 cylinder. I sai, dad, meh them suckers will pay me a a mileage.
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02:02:01
I forgot what it is, but heck, if I drive an hour, I make money. You know, pay it, and then if you stop vatsal convenience store, you keep your receipt, and they’ll pay for your snacks, everything. I couldn’t believe that because I grew up with my dad working, you know, like, oh, Timmy just fell off the roof. Like, well, call his let’s call his wife.
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Tell him to come get him. And then my dad be, you alright? No. Oh, I think I broke my leg. Hell, you know? It’s like, oh, dang.
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Well, you’re probably gonna be here tomorrow, are you? Ai, no. I don’t I doubt it. I mean, it was just rough, almost cowboy shit. You know? Yeah.
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And so I couldn’t believe this. You know? And, and so one thing led to another, and that was in the early nineties, right out of high school. And I’m 51 now, and that was in early nineties. And in 19 ai four and 5, everything started heating up.
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02:02:45
And in 96, David Blanton offered me a full time job to work in production shah
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guide. Sai surreal to be able to make a living doing this thing that you love when no one even thought it was a job when you were a kid. Yeah. It was not a thing you aspire to.
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No. And my family took it hard. My grandmom and my uncles were like, I might as well just got on crack then on the street. They’re like I’d went to heating and air school and got a degree and worked a gear with Barringer’s Heating Cooling out of out of Zeppelin, Georgia. And I had me a truck, had my name on it, you know, Michael, you know, and had me my refrigeration tools. And every Christmas, my dad, oh, boy.
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02:03:24
I got you another flaring kit. I mean, just blue collar culture. And all of a sudden, you know, I’m coming in telling the family, like, hey. I don’t know if I’m gonna keep doing heating and air deal. You know? Like, what? Like, you got a truck, son. You got your own uniform. You know?
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02:03:39
You you got benefits. I’m like, yeah. But there’s this camouflage company who want me to take Dale Earnhardt turkey hunting, and and my dad was the only one that got it. Everybody else is like it was an intervention. Like, I’d go to Christmas and, like, hey, nephew. Let me pull you ai.
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02:03:56
Now you know you can’t make a living at this hunting and fishing thing. You know? Like, you know? Ai, oh, well, I I don’t know, but I’m young, and, man, this would be really cool. I love this more than anything, but it was ai of that whole situation of It
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wasn’t a job before.
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It wasn’t a job. And and Ai and I and I was trusting him, but I was sitting here thinking, like, I’m pretty sure Bill Jern’s rich. I mean, he’s I saw him with a Mercedes. He had a Mercedes Benz, and, matter of fact, there’s a really funny story about that Mercedes Benz. But I I couldn’t believe it.
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02:04:28
And so my grandma was like, son, Ai when you get tired of this, just go have fun with it, but come back to it. Almost no different than if you’re a young kid, like, I’m going to Nashville. I wanna play guitar and sing.
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02:04:37
Right.
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02:04:37
Maybe I can be the next Luke Bryan. Yeah. And somebody in the family was like, oh, when it gets right, he’ll come back, jump in the family business, start putting these shingles on the roof. You know? He’ll get back into sheetrock and just give him a chance. Hell, he was one of the best concrete guys I knew. That kid would work.
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02:04:52
He ai run a bull float like some bitch. You know? And so that was me. And, and all of a sudden, they offered me a full time job. It wasn’t a lot of money. And I remember going back and saying, you know, hey, they got all these things. 401 ks. Ai got benefits, health.
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02:05:05
I got eye and dental, and I get to go on all these epic trips, and I met amazing people, hunted with people that I was just shell shocked. I remember I met Lynyrd Skynyrd band in a NASCAR suite one ai, the maddest I ever got at Bill Bryden. Maddest I ever got. Of course, you know, Ronnie was had passed on and half the members, but it was, Johnny VanZant, and it was, Rossington.
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02:05:30
And I’m sitting there, redneck kid him at Atlanta Motor Speedway, like, I can’t believe it. There’s Mark Martin’s wife and coach. I’m like, meh, I have made it. I’m over here with chicken fingers. And, bro, so all of a ai, I look. The door opens, and there was just people in there. It’s the Lynyrd Skynyrd band.
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02:05:45
Ai looked just like, you know, like what I pictured. And I’m like, oh ai god. You know, I’m freaking out. And Bill said, hey, ai, Tyler, ain’t that your band? I said, that’s not only a band. That’s Lynyrd Skynyrd. And Bill Bryden said, what are they saying?
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02:05:59
I said, I swear to God, I ain’t never hit my boss, but I’m about to knock you out. You know? Are you kidding me? And I’m and I’ll never forget. I went over there, and I I was just, you know, I got a chance to meet him, but so many people I met, and I couldn’t believe it.
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02:06:17
And one thing led to another, and really what the biggest break I had was David Blanton who was ai a big brother, I mean like a like a father, and he was just such a good guy, good Christian guy, good hunter. Outdoor Channel was just coming on. Outdoor Channel was really kind of coming on, but at the time, you know, the the kind of beat your chest kind of pride was the fact that you could be on ESPN and or TNN.
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02:06:41
And then TNN had been through a situation where I think it was Viacom had some big merger shah was part of the MTV thing. And so they quickly, through their kind of culturally sai, Hey, we need to kind of do away with this hunting thing. These guys are killing stuff. And it become the Nashville. It was a Nashville network, then it become the National network, then it become Spike TV. And so everything moved over.
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02:07:04
All the the big Sunday night block move over to Speak, but you couldn’t show impact. Well about that time they started the outdoor channel on cable TV. They were looking for distribution, and so it was David Blanton. He said, Michael, we need to come up with a cool hook, and we need to create a show over on Outdoor Channel.
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02:07:22
And so getting back to meeting these people, and what I found, it was fascinating. And it’s just the same with these conversations you have. These people that you just look up to. Yeah. You meet some people that are interesting and weird, but for the most part, you’re like, wow.
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02:07:36
These guys are super cool, super talented. And that’s what I was finding when I would run into a country singer. I remember Mark Chestnut sitting around and drinking whiskey and him playing the guitar and singing Hank Williams Jr song, running into Bo Cephas, running into, you know, to Lynyrd Skynyrd and all those guys.
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02:07:50
I’m like, man, these guys are so down to earth and cool. And I realized that there was more to this hunting than just this staunch, you know, here we go with the Encinitas Wretch. Today, we’re hunting the meh flats of Encinal, you know.
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02:08:03
Right. Right.
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02:08:03
The coyotes bryden, there’s a big buck around the corner. The night How are you gonna do it? Yeah. And it was just like at the time, it
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was so fast. Sanitized.
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It was so sanitized. Everybody was starched.
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02:08:13
Yeah.
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02:08:13
You go to a hunting shah. Everybody had on khakis. I meh, it’s almost like it was a sai. And, and I remember telling David Blanton, I ai, I think what we’re missing is the the culture and the fun. And everybody was very serious, and you should be serious if you’re going to go take a bow and arrow or a rifle and take the life of a wild animal, but the camp life was so amazing.
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02:08:34
And we’d have different personalities, different NFL athletes. We would have comedians, people like Jeff Foxworthy. And I was just so pleased that these people that I adored and was big fans of was people that you could sit around and and have a glass of sweet tea or a cold beer and and just laugh.
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02:08:50
And they were as real, possibly more entertaining in person, kind of like you talk about Theo. People ask if he’s really funny. Well, you should have should have been with us at this UFC fight. We couldn’t even watch the fight. The guys, you know, cracking us up.
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02:09:01
And so I told David, I said, I think most of these people, if we could do a show ai of documenting just a camp life and the real reality of how much fun you have, I think we could sell that fun. And so David said, do it. He said he said, matter of fact, you host it. And I’m like, no. No. No.
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02:09:17
I’m not coming in here to pitch you to for me to host a show. You know, behind the scenes, I’ll guide, I’ll run camera, I’ll help edit, produce. Ai he’d sent me to Maine to this international film and art school to learn how to edit on nonlinear, the first Avid.
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02:09:30
Oh, wow.
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02:09:31
I’m up there like, dude, I’m big. I mean, I got my business card, like, yeah, I work for Realtree, you know, out there on T and N, you know. I’m I’m over there, and I found out shah was where it really hit me that a lot of people didn’t like hunting. Like, oh my god, you kill animals?
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02:09:43
And I had all these beta tapes. And I remember I had Dale Earnhardt killing the deer on there, and I told the instructor, I said, I need to learn how to put this in the computer and build a hunt out of it because everything was a b roll editing, and I knew how to do that pretty good.
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02:09:55
I said, But I need to learn how to do it on this nonlinear. He said, Oh my god, we never we struggle to get footage. Y’all got these $80,000 cameras because Bill was one of the first people to buy these really high dollar beta cameras that was out videoing with and putting them in the wild.
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02:10:09
And so, anyway, as that as I showed the footage, he said, Meh, can we use this and let the class use this footage as a project to build story lines? Because I had the cutaways, you know, back then you’d you’d shoot the animal, you’d video that, then you’d go back, okay, push your safety off. Like now?
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02:10:26
Like you pretend. You’d pretend. So it’s like a reenactment. Now let’s go back and build the pre hunt, you know, and it’d be ai Dale Earnhardt walking through the forest with his gargles on or however, and he’s ai like, hey. We’re going down here to a ridge flat. A lot of acorns up there.
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02:10:39
And well, the deer has been dead a long time ago, obviously, by the time we shot that. And, so he loved that, the instructor, because it gave us a chance to put the ai. And I thought, man, I’m gonna be the hero, you know, all these little girls up here in Maine, and I ain’t never seen a lot of people with purple hair and stuff, and I could tell it was kind of that cool hippie trend, and it was artsy.
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02:10:57
And but in my mind, like, I’m just I’m just having a good time. And, anyway, dude, immediately, Joe, that it become a protest. There was 2 or 3 people stood up in the class, like, we’re not using this. We cannot. We will walk out. These animals are getting dead.
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02:11:11
If you can prove these animals were not harmed. And I’m like, no they’re all dead. They ain’t I mean they’re dead. I mean and finally Sai had a like a little bit of a meltdown because that was one of the first times that it really hit me where I had a mass of people saying, you know, almost felt like the antichrist because I’m the guy killing deer.
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02:11:28
And I thought it was gonna be the opposite. I was ready to name drop. Like, look, I got Dale Earnhardt. I videoed him to shoot
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02:11:34
a deer.
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Right. I was ready to name drop, and it just all You
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02:11:36
just had never experienced anti hunting.
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02:11:38
Never. And, so I learned vatsal, and then one thing led to another. I remember I went to the instructor. I said, man, look. I I Ai I’m sai little bit ai. You know, it is what it is, but even if you have to teach me after class, I need to learn how to do this. I I’m not doing I’m a student, but I come up here. My employer sent me up here. I gotta learn how to do this.
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02:11:55
So I came back pretty efficient as a as a nonlinear editor. All of it didn’t have any desire to know that that’s what I wanted to do, but I was just wanting to, you know, sweep the warehouse. If you want me to edit, you want me to take somebody hunting, you need me to put up a fence, skin a buck, you know, whatever.
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02:12:12
And then when David gave me that opportunity to do Realtree road trips back in the day, it was in 2003 at air, it was shot in 2002, that’s when everything for me because it was all about personality, it was all about having fun, and that’s kinda we kinda come up with the tagline.
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02:12:27
This is a different kind of hunting show.
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02:12:29
Well, you were the first guy to bring fun and personality to hunting television.
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02:12:34
Oh, yeah. We tried so hard. You know, it was the first guy.
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02:12:37
It looked like you were having a good time with your friends. It wasn’t this stuffy presentation
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02:12:42
Right.
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02:12:43
Of, like, hunting, like, here he goes in the wild of Montana. You know?
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02:12:47
He won’t go far.
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02:12:48
Where grizzly bears abound. Yeah. It Hunting for the elusive mule deer.
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02:12:54
Exactly. You
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know, it wasn’t The
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02:12:55
Valerious Whitetail uses secondary scrapes as he approaches his staging area.
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02:13:00
Exactly. You you were having a good time. You were laughing and cutting up, and and I think that’s what made you famous in that world. It’s like you were representative of what people really liked. It’s just someone having a good time and enjoying themselves which is really what a lot of the hunting is.
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02:13:15
It’s a lot of bonding and camaraderie. Ai, the camp time is almost as fun as the hunting ai. Oh. You know? And you’re all just sort of winding down at the end of the day, having a good time together, relaxing, and telling stories, and laughing.
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And
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It it was. And even to this day, it’s kinda still where we kinda settle in. And it’s ai, you know, honestly, I’m not really trying to outhunt anybody, but we’ll try to outfund everybody. And so if you, you know, if you come to camp, you know, and it’s myself, big old t bone, he, you know, he lost his meh, so he’s not hunting with us as much.
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02:13:48
He can’t he can’t get around to to cancer. He lost his meh. And then but Nick and I I mean, we’re going to have a good time. And if you desire to get serious, which we do encourage, hey. It’s time to buckle down. There’s a time for fun.
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02:14:00
There’s
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there’s a time to to hone it in. But we just make tried our best to make it fun, and I’ve learned that if you do that and you can make friends, that’s the biggest form of the trophy you’ll ever get. Yes. Yeah. That’s sai trophy, but the stories you got with setting with Ranella and the people around the camp and that experience, you meet people from all over the country.
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02:14:20
In our case, the world. And then next thing you know, it’s ai even more special. And so, I I know people. I I say it a lot. I know people that’s got some amazing trophy rooms, but they’re lonely.
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02:14:30
They’re dusty, and they really ain’t made a lot of friends because they were so beaten their chest to kill the next biggest thing Yeah. That they forgot that the trophy is relationships and the adventure. And, yes, inevitably, this this deer that’s hanging on the wall that your family has enjoyed over a period of ai, a year.
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02:14:49
Sometimes it’ll take you a year or 2 to eat elk. Right. A full elk. It’s a lot of meh, but, I don’t know, man. It’s just it’s it’s just an amazing journey, and I I I meh, Ai never felt like I was that talented is other than the fact I just had a lot of good work ethic my dad put in meh, and I was really had a passion for it.
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02:15:08
And, and I didn’t have really any weird opposition pulling me away from it. It pulled me toward it. But growing up so rural and blue collar, I had to prove to my family that there was a livelihood here because they literally looked at it ai, I need to get that boy drug tested.
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02:15:23
I don’t know. Listen to this. He thinks he’s gonna video deer hunts. That’s what he thinks. And he’s gonna skin a few.
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02:15:32
He’s gonna take a few celebrities hunting, and he’s gonna get free camo, but you can’t eat that ram. You know, you you Yeah. And I ain’t gonna buy the Salisbury steak. How are you gonna go to Bonanza?
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02:15:42
Well, it’s interesting because fun and personality and camaraderie are infectious. It’s ai people, they’re they’re drawn to it, but it’s not something you can manufacture. You either have a great personality or you don’t. But having a great personality is very marketable, so it’s kind of a weird sort of catch like, you can’t pretend you’re that person because people won’t buy it.
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02:16:05
You have to actually for the reason why it worked with you is because this is who you really are. That’s you. Right. And so you didn’t even know you had this thing that was marketable. No. It was just you being a person.
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02:16:19
That it’s a great point because to this day, I’ll go to in a ai because I’m now you know, when I I know you love classic cars, and I hear about the things you talk about. And and obviously, I’m a big fan of of the podcast. And so one thing that draws me in is the fact that culturally we’re into the same things, you know, Rubik’s cubes and eighties, and I always my favorite car was a 70 Supersport, you know, Chevelle.
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And so I have one of those. Dude, I
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02:16:45
Black with white stripes.
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Oh meh god. I love it. The same one like on John Wick, basically. Yes. That’s a 70. Yeah. So anyway, I I was just so just amazed by I don’t know. It’s just all of it and and, and and even now when I meet people, that’s the first thing they’ll say after we hang out. And I just had it up at Cactus Jack with, with Cameron. I had 2 or 3 of the guys like, hey, meh.
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02:17:07
And these are older guys like, appreciate you, Waddell, man. You just like Sai thought you’d be. And it and it kind of takes me back. It’s not offensive, but I’m like, what what was I supposed to be? And I Ai guess I realize and Cameron and I have talked a lot about that about ai it’s odd that there is a thing that is fake.
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02:17:23
That people can’t be transparent, that people can’t just talk their feelings. And everything we say don’t mean our assessment is always correct, but at least it is something to be heard and told. And then the more you talk, I think that’s what reshaped the politics this year. When you look at Trump coming on, JD Yeah.
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02:17:40
Harris passed, well, it proves ai, well, did you really have something to sai, and could it be valid, and could you be real? And everybody, I think, appreciates real even if they don’t like the person that they see necessarily as as real, and now everything’s in question. It’s like, you know, it’s like these rappers, are they really as tough as they say? Right. Is was Diddy gay?
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02:18:03
I thought this dude I thought he had done shot more stuff than I have, you know, and it’s like, you know, I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s just like it’s
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02:18:11
Yeah. Well, when when people ask me all the ai, like, oh, you met Jelly Roll. What’s he like? He’s exactly like you all.
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02:18:18
The sai. Ai. That’s right.
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That’s why he’s popular. That’s a that’s a genuine real human being.
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02:18:23
Like Luke Ai. Just like you like. Exactly. Goofy. Good cool cat.
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02:18:27
Yeah. Luke Combs, same thing. That’s exactly who he is. And that’s what people arya worried about, vatsal someone not being like that. Like, you see someone who’s real fun on TV and they’re real friendly and then you meet him in real life like, oh, that guy’s an asshole. He’s made the waitresses and, you know, he’s shitty to the fucking the the valet driver, you know.
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02:18:45
It’s you you want people to be what you hope them to be, but ai, you prepare for them to not be that.
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02:18:52
Yeah. You you represent that too, Joe. It’s ai, you know, I remember going to Utah and hunting. I was like, hey, man. You know, it’s before I ever knew I’d get a chance to meet you and talk with you. And I said, how’s Joe? And they was like and and then first thing I asked Cameron’s like, dude, he’s unbelievable. So you meet and you are that person.
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02:19:08
And and and a question for you, Ai often wondered, do you think that’s starting to affect Hollywood a little bit to where now if you look at the most successful people, it is the realest people. You know, people might not even like, sana Donald Ram. People gravitated because they think, hey, man. This is him. This is real.
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02:19:24
Sai I think the best thing for people in Hollywood that are entrenched in that world is to shut the fuck up. Because as soon as they start talking, people ai that. Sai soon as Robert De Niro starts talking, I’m like, Jesus, get that fucking microphone away from him sai I can enjoy Sai Driver.
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02:19:38
Yeah.
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Because right? Yeah. It’s heartbreaking. It’s heartbreaking.
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02:19:41
Yeah. I don’t wanna hear I love Meh Niro. I love those
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ai movies. It’s like I don’t wanna hear him that he’s a moron. I don’t wanna hear him talking about politics and about Trump supporters and just shut the fuck up, man. Yeah. Like, you didn’t think this through. Like, this is and he’s getting yelled at. He’s doing an outside press conference. Like, Robert, you’re 80 years old. Don’t ruin this thing.
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02:20:00
You’ve had this life where you were a fucking raging bull. You know, you were the you were in the godfather. Like, stop. Stop. Stop doing this. Ai do this.
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02:20:09
I’m ai I’m terrified to meet some of those people I looked up to now.
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02:20:12
You should be. I mean, like I’ve I’ve met a few of them. And for it’s actors in particular because their whole business is pretend. Their whole business is pretend. You know, one of the things about guys like Theo or comedians, you run into comedians, their business is the opposite of pretend.
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02:20:28
Their their their business is just being a real person talking shit. Yeah. They’re professional shit talkers. Yeah. You know, having fun, being silly, talking shit about things, and actors are not that. They’re weird people, man.
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02:20:43
And the one thing that’s harming them in Hollywood is that they get exposed for being who they really are. And a lot of these people that pretend to be all, you know, clean-cut and
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02:20:53
Yeah.
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You find out they’re in the freaky shit and, you know, it’s like
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02:20:57
And it’s easier to expose stuff now because social media, I’m sure, like, back in the day, I can only imagine Oh. The parties in Waylon Jennings and Merle Haggard. Can you imagine some of these pictures on the wall in here? Can you imagine some of the stuff they didn’t have to worry about nobody? Right.
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02:21:10
I mean, it’s there was really stars. Leonard Skinner. Can you imagine?
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02:21:14
Led Zeppelin. All those people. The parties. Hendrix.
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02:21:16
Oh, yeah. Jim Morrison. Crazy. Oh, god.
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02:21:18
Craziness and no accountability. Nothing.
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02:21:21
And all they gotta do is, like, I was I was not there. Yeah. And now Yeah.
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Now you can’t
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02:21:27
go on Elkhart and everybody knows you’re there.
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02:21:28
Well, everybody’s got a fucking camera in their pocket. Everybody. Everything is being filmed, and so many people get exposed for who they really are. It’s it’s weird. But it’s also probably good for humanity. It’s good for let’s one of the things that I think is what the rise of podcast is people get to see real people having real conversations and
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02:21:46
Yeah.
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Some people can do it and some people can’t. And I think the Harris thing was they were worried that she couldn’t.
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02:21:52
I think they I think they made a good assessment that she couldn’t.
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02:21:55
I don’t know, man. I mean, I’ve seen her have fun with people. There’s this one very funny conversation where she’s talking about meeting her in laws for the first time where her mother-in-law grabs her face, and it’s it’s really funny. It’s it’s funny listening to her saying she’s laughing hard, but a real laugh this time.
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02:22:11
Maybe she could now though. Maybe maybe maybe she’s sai if there is a machine. Because you know what? It’s it’s fair to say, even on Harris, I’ll say this, or Kamala Kamala. And and that’s what’s amazing to me. I didn’t think she had a chance to win because I didn’t even know. I still don’t know what her name is. I mean, so I don’t know.
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02:22:28
What the hell? Is it Kamala? Kamala? Ai
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I think it’s Kamala.
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02:22:31
It’s Kamala. Well, it’s ai, well, I I I’m probably gonna screw it up. It’s like, you know, and then CNN is gonna be like, yeah. You heard Rogan didn’t even call her name right. Yeah. It’s like it’s but at the end of the day, maybe now that she’s under out of that whole situation because, you know, you see, you know, and I think the world’s changing ai where record producers and stuff are controlling music and, you know if you’re going to get on a radio station to where you know everybody walks a tightrope you have to kind of you’re working for this machine.
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02:22:57
Hollywood Ai sure the same way you got people that Ai can’t I remember Ted Nugent tells a story, was it Kurt Russell? He was one of his best friends was Kurt Russell. And Kurt likes to hunt. And and this was Ted just telling me in a hunting ram. And I asked him, I said, man, you know, how is Kurt? You know, I love his movies too. I’m a big fan. He said, dude, Kurt is amazing.
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02:23:17
He said, but he had to, to a degree, during that time frame, bow to that machine because he couldn’t do these things. So I think now it’s ai you don’t know what’s real because you don’t know if they are trying to do this for a career or if they can be real. And then at times, okay, I believe De Niro, in his case, is finally his true colors and finally, like, I’m enough to where I can be real, but the real you do see in him, I’m like, go back to being fake.
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02:23:41
Just go back to being fake. I don’t wanna see this asshole you really are.
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02:23:45
I know. I don’t wanna hear someone lecturing me that I just oh, it’s so sad. It’s sad.
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02:23:51
It’s crazy.
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02:23:52
But I think real converse like, celebrities were always people that were on a pedestal and you didn’t think of them as real people. You know, you never got to see John Wayne having long form conversations where he explains his position on this or that. You you just never saw any of that.
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02:24:10
And I think more of that is being exposed now, and I think it’s probably good for all of us to not have these ridiculous perceptions of these people and think of them as being larger than life characters. They’re just humans.
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02:24:23
They’re just regular people.
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They’re all just human beings, and some some of these regular human beings are really fucking good at playing bad guys. But you meet them in real life and they’re real super sweet. They’re really nice people. They’re just good at their job. Their job is pretending to be an asshole.
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02:24:35
That’s right.
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You know, and it’s what we we the more conversations we have, the more conversations that we’re that we have access to, the more we get to see the patterns of how human beings think and behave and the more we get to see what we like. And generally, what we like is nice people being real.
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02:24:54
That I totally agree.
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That’s what people like.
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02:24:56
And and that perspective, Ai, you know, obviously, you got a lot of respect for Mike Tyson. I think he’s the baddest boxer, toughest. I mean, I idolized him as a boxer. I didn’t know much about him as a man or what he was going through at the ai, but, like, when it come time to watch a boxing bout ai on a card There was no one like him.
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02:25:14
But what a sweetheart Yeah. Of a man. Ai listened to Sai listened to it and just the things he sai. He’s so sweet that, you know, he says things that you don’t even know if he’s funny. Like, he was talking about, you know, Joe, you’re, you know, you ever get a wreck when you ai? You know?
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02:25:28
And and they’ll think I think you giggled, and he’s like, no. I’m serious. You know? And I’m like, woah. Yeah. Woah.
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02:25:35
And all I all I sai saying here, I think it was ai, I I feel you, Tyson. I was hunting elk in, you know, New Mexico and bull come bugling, and I was kind of getting, like, $5 worth of jawbreakers. It was getting there because I was getting excited about this adrenaline to this elk. Sai, okay, you doing it ai.
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02:25:52
But in my mind, I thought it was kind of a joke too, but he’s such a speak,
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02:25:56
deep thinker. Sweet guy, but there’s a there’s a monster in there. Dude. And he can hit that switch. He’s scary.
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02:26:02
Yeah. Still scary.
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02:26:03
Oh, he scared the shit out of me. Me and him the first time, like, I think Kevin Hart was the first one to say it. He said it was like it’s like you’re in the room with a lion. It’s like you’re like, okay.
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02:26:12
You keep that probably fed it.
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02:26:14
Is is ai cool? He’s not gonna kill meh? Okay. You know? Yeah. It’s ai, Jesus. But it was there’s certain people that I meet that, like, you know, I Ai meet him and I’m like, I can’t believe I’m in the room with Quentin Tarantino. Like, that is bizarre. That was There’s a few of those people that you meet him. You know, Trump’s one of those people. Yeah.
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02:26:29
Ai mean, like, yeah, he’s ai there.
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02:26:31
Sai made a presence that’s undeniable.
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02:26:33
That ai, ai anybody else, can be himself.
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02:26:38
Yes.
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02:26:38
That guy can be himself no matter what. He can be himself at press conferences. He could be himself on a podcast. That’s a huge strength that he could be himself. You either like who he is or you dislike who he is, but you have to respect that ai can be himself.
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02:26:51
He is. And guess what? The more you talk about somebody like Donald Trump, like him or love him, he has pretty much as now, you know, the second time he’s gonna be president. He is accessible to the people in in a weird way. Meaning, I had a chance to even meet Trump. He talking about the hunting history.
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02:27:09
He came to Las Vegas. We used to have this thing called the Golden Moose Awards. And I knew Donald Junior. He was a big hunter. And, anyway, the word got out that, hey, Ram. This is prior to the election, the 16 election. He he came to Las Vegas to say, hey, man.
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02:27:24
There’s there’s 13 to 15,000,000 hunters out there. I need to see where they see what the situation is here. I think they’re good people, and I hear this from my sana, Eric and Donald. So he he comes there, and and I had a chance to meet him and same thing. It was just like, wow.
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02:27:37
This is before he’s president, but he’s still Donald Trump. And, and I remember Sai didn’t know much if I could you know, in my mind, is this the guy I’m gonna vote for? He was still in the primaries. But I remember the first thing he said to me, meh said, his Donald Junior introduced me to him. He said, dad, you know, this is Michael Waddell.
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02:27:54
He works in the hunting industry. He does hunting shows. He said, meh, immediately, so nice. And but I remember with the words he said that I knew he wasn’t a politician was real. He said, so you do a lot of hunting.
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02:28:04
And I I can’t do the impression, but I said, yes, sir. Ai I love it. That’s all I love to do. So I’m not good at it. I don’t have the patience. My son, they’re very efficient. They’re very efficient. They’re very good. They they hunt all around the world.
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02:28:15
He he said, but I got a question. These wolves, what’s the deal with the wolves? They’re killing a lot of shit. And I said, mister Trump, it really is a problem. I got friends and ranchers out there. These wolves, they reintroduce them.
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02:28:29
They speak a ai spending 1,000,000 of taxpayers dollars out there. And this is in my mind, if I am playing this role of inferior or redneck or insecure, in my mind, I’m trying to talk humbly to kinda help him know what Ai know some friends out in Colorado have gone through ram cattle to domestic problems to the elk population.
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02:28:49
He sai, well, it’s simple. If they’re causing a problem, we need to do something about the wolves. And I remember thinking, I’m voting for this dude. Ai voting for this dude. I don’t care what he’s talking about grabbing because Ai been to a few little nonprofit, you know, in Washington DC with lobbyists and stuff where we’re trying to get some money from a bill for the NWTF and Brood and Habitat or Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.
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02:29:13
And I found most of the politicians were decently fake, almost similar to a California, LA actor type
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02:29:19
of vatsal.
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02:29:20
Where it’s like, ai. If I need to be nicest guy, I will be. But Yeah. I need to figure out who he is and if he’s got credentials and what power he has. Yes. And so for me, here I am feeling like I’m the lowest person in this room. All these other guys are, you know, heads of major corporations within the hunting industry, and I’m just this guy who likes to turkey hunt.
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02:29:37
He’s got to show on the outdoor channel, and I’m getting a chance to shake his hand. But he’s just as real with me as he is the guy who maybe is maybe the richest guy in the room ram possibly the most famous guy in the room, and I found that fascinating that he was that way.
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02:29:50
On the other hand, I’m over there talking to a senator at Washington DC at a at a party a lobbyist put together, and he’s ai, everything like, good to meet you. I I too like to hunt and so gratifying to see the ai. And I’m like
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02:30:04
Just a fake person. Just come Yeah. Weird. Right?
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02:30:07
Yeah.
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02:30:08
It’s weird when you’re around them because Yeah. What if you’re capable of talking to people fake like this, what are what are the things
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02:30:13
What are you capable of?
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02:30:14
Yeah. You’re You’re a strange human.
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02:30:17
That’s exactly right.
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And your whole aspiration is to, like, stay fake and to make as much meh money possible while being fake.
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02:30:24
Exactly. And the whole ai, again, I never dug into politics. Like, I’m talking to a guy that once I do go back in Google, he come in the office. He was making, you know, he’s making as a sana, I don’t know, what, 50 to a $100 a year, and now he’s worth and it’s all he’s ever done.
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02:30:40
Now he’s worth $10,000,000,000 $10,000,000,000. Right. How?
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02:30:44
Like, where’d that come from?
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02:30:45
I don’t think my grandmama would understand that either.
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02:30:47
Nobody understands that. It’s, like, so transparent and it’s ai in front of your face. Ai, the Nancy Pelosi situation, she’s never made more than $175,000 a year. She’s worth a 100 and something $1,000,000.
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02:30:59
How does that happen? It’s like corruption. Corruption.
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02:31:02
It only happens through corruption, and it’s transparent legal corruption. It’s very strange.
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02:31:06
And it’s on both sides. It happens everywhere.
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02:31:08
If you look at the stock trading and the red versus blue, they’re both right up there. They’re all they all have inside information. They’re all
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02:31:17
And they put Martha Stewart in jail for it, didn’t they?
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Yes. Well, they actually put her in jail for lying. She ai to federal investigators. That’s what they
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02:31:25
Ah, I gotcha.
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02:31:26
It was Comey. It was the same guy who went after Trump. It’s real wild. It’s real wild when you see what it really is all about, and there’s politics on both ai. And it’s it’s not a right or a left thing. It’s a power and corruption thing.
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02:31:40
And it’s I feel like there is a little bit of momentum that feels like there’s a little bit of a cleansing process. It’s gonna take a long time, I think, to get there, but I think everything that’s happening now, it feels through opportunities and outlets like this that people can talk and people can understand what’s real in fiction or at least debate.
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02:31:59
Yeah. It seems like everything ram, I don’t know, the the political world to just everything about the truth about whether it’s hunting efficient, the truth about the cosmos possibly, you know, that some of the stuff about ancient civilization to to, you know, people and and, people that that love Jesus Ai.
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02:32:17
You can really dig deep and you can have good conversations and it’s not just dictated by a certain machine. And, Ai love that. That’s pretty amazing that all of us can come together Yeah. And have a conversation. Yeah.
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02:32:29
It’s it’s a good time. It’s a crazy time to be alive, but I think it’s a beautiful time.
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02:32:34
It’s it’s amazing, man. I really do. And and and only in America, baby. I swear
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02:32:39
Not in America.
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02:32:40
Only in Meh. I have
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02:32:41
more hope for this country right now after this election than I’ve had in a long, long ai. Vatsal long time. Too. It feels like with this crew of people with JD Vance and Elon Musk and RFK Junior and Tulsi Gabbard and Vivek Ramaswami, I think there’s a real chance that things can change.
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02:32:58
Real chance that we can expose some of the deep seated corruption, some of the problems that we’ve had in this country, and and move us on to a better path.
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02:33:06
I do too. And I find, I still got friends that are ai Democrats and pretty darn liberal. Believe it or not, even me that that works in the hunting industry. And even them, I feel a sense of almost ai Yeah.
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02:33:19
I was having a conversation with a friend of mine from New York about this, and he’s liberal. But he was ai, listen. Everybody pretends that they’re mad that Trump won, but there’s a a recognizable feeling of relaxation in New York. Yeah. Ai, oh, like, some sense of logic has prevailed.
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02:33:37
No one really believed that she was gonna be a great president. They certainly didn’t believe that Tim Walsh sai gonna be a great vice president. That was crazy. God. They were crazy that that guy was supposed to be 1 heartbeat away from the fucking president. And then they also knew that there was so much corruption involved.
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02:33:53
Everybody knew what the what they were doing with the Twitter files and all that other shit. There was there’s so much that, like, this is probably the right way.
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02:34:01
I know. Yeah. I mean and people were paying attention that have never been intrigued.
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Yes.
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And and I think a lot of things happen there. It’s like, you know, most people, you know, somebody asked me, you know, how do you know when you’re rich? And I said, well, when you don’t know what a gallon of milk cost to me. Right. Because I remember growing up in that same rural area and, you know, my grandmama and and stuff.
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02:34:24
But when I could sit there and talk to my youngins and I you know, my sana, Mason, I said, Mason, when you come down, run by and get us a gallon of milk and, you know, Get us some cereal. We’ll just have cereal, and I got some sausage, but get us a gallon of milk and a loaf of bread.
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02:34:36
Well, then there was a case when I was a kid. Grandma said, hey. Run ai. Look. Don’t go to Big Star. It’s 25 cent more over there.
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02:34:45
Go over there to Giant Mark. They got a deal right now. As a matter of fact, go buy me a couple packs of that ground round. They’re running a special. Gallon of milk, they knew. They drive over here, knew where gas was the cheapest.
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02:34:55
And when you get to a place to where you know you’re doing pretty well, so it’s like, I need some gas. Pull over. Yeah. You ain’t worried about driving across town to save a quarter.
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02:35:04
Ai friend Bryden has this thing, and I say it all the time. He said, this is how rich you wanna meh. We can go to a restaurant and order whatever you want and not worry about it. Yep. Everything after that is bullshit.
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02:35:15
And then look and say, hey. I won’t tip 20% or ai. You do the math. Just write it on there. Yeah. That that’s that’s you are rich and you are blessed if you can do that.
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02:35:24
Everything else on top of that, you don’t really notice it. It’s ai of bullshit.
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02:35:28
A 100% agree with that. And I and I think that backfired on a little bit of the whole Harris thing when she said, no. Everything’s good. Yeah. And she’s telling that to people who know exactly where the cheapest milk is, and they were gonna vote for her. And they’re ai, yes.
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02:35:44
Well, I
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don’t know. It ain’t. I’m struggling out here, you know. And then you’re telling, you know, ai, we blessed to go to these hunting places, but they’re not cheap places to hunt, to to be able to technically trespass on these properties that are privately owned and or if you were to go on a public elk hunt, you know, the private public.
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02:36:01
Well, look. Go get us a Uruk. If we did right now, me, you, and Ram, and Remi planned us a a good do DIY hunt. It’s like, well, Joe, you’re gonna get to Uruk. I’ll go get the mountain house. Right. Ram like, hey, man.
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02:36:13
I got plenty of mountain ops and whatever, and I’ll bring some coffee.
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02:36:16
Can you imagine putting a Yurt out in the middle of Iowa?
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02:36:18
Imagine? But I promise you, if we just dudged it Yeah. Dudged it, we still got 3 or 4 grand a piece.
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02:36:25
Yeah.
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Yeah. And and we’re going out there to to go hunt.
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Yeah. So
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02:36:29
I’m cheap. Just in supplies and setups.
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Oh, yeah. Just in your bow and your arrows and your broadheads and your fucking ai and your minos and your gear and your clothing and your boots, the ai on your truck and gas and this and that and then tags and, oh, it’s it’s not cheap.
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02:36:49
Oh, it’s not cheap. Like I said, you could either buy you a small farm in Kentucky or just get you a new bow. I mean Yeah. That’s what it feels like these days, you know. But, I I tell you, it’s it’s it’s absolutely so amazing that we get a chance to even do it and even get back to hunting.
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02:37:05
I tyler people all the time, it’s like, you know, Ai always stood by the fact Sai don’t think, you’re badass that you hunt. I think it’s just badass that we can have that opportunity in Meh that we can fall back on that. And if times do get hard, there’s a certain piece once you understand the craft of it.
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02:37:23
A little bit of that rule of living and knowing how to skin a deer, knowing the best parts, and meh, you can eat it all, you know. You can eat organs, you can eat real meat, you can do all those things, but at the end of the day, there’s a certain piece as a meh, especially.
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02:37:38
And I think overall, even though we’re in a world to where, you know, we got these equality and women can do what men can do or supposedly but at the end of the day, I’ve always looked at it that, my job is to provide, you know, safety, some type of structure, food, and care for my family.
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02:37:55
And and any man that’s out there that knows nothing about nature, that if these cities shut down, that would be a terrifying experience. The Mercedes won’t start. The Ai Fi don’t come on. Uh-huh. You can’t run down to Starbucks, and all of a sudden you can’t go to the market or call Uber Eats to deliver you sushi or your favorite pizza.
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02:38:16
You gotta walk
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to where the
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Now you gotta walk. You you you and you have no skill set. Yeah. Yes. I sometimes, but guess what? I’ve gotten pretty good at the cities. I know how to work these apps. I can grab me an Uber. I can grab I can go talk to somebody or I can Google it. I said, man, I’m a walk down here to this steakhouse.
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02:38:31
You can certainly navigate their world a whole lot better than they can navigate yours.
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02:38:35
The world that me and you love the most is is hard to navigate for some people, and I think they’re starting to realize ai. And I really know it. Long learning curve. It takes forever. And there’s a piece. I I I told somebody a while back. I said, man, I’m gonna tell you when you become a hunter and you understand it and you become simple, all the financial situations you might gain, money’s nice.
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02:38:54
I I agree that it don’t necessarily bring you happiness. It is great to be able to have the money to do those things we talked about, just eating. Or maybe it is that 70 Chevelle that’s like I’ve always wanted, and I and you can buy it. But at the end of the day, there’s a peace comes to know that I could potentially lose it all, but if I got my wife and my kids, and I got this bow and arrow, I might actually gain a little bit because now there’s no I I got peace and tranquility.
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02:39:19
I got a certain stillness that is more valuable than anything I could find at the rave or in the middle of the city. And so I’ve often told people, even if you love the city life, which, what people might not realize, I love the city life. It’s so fun to visit, but that’s just it. I wanna visit. I’m ready to get back out. Like Yeah.
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02:39:38
The thought of things I could do in Austin, there’s a million things. My mind’s going wide open. Like, man, I’d love to go to the comedy club. Well, I ai man, I heard the steak house is great. I got they got this. They got that. This place got the best martinis in this cigar bar.
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02:39:50
But once I do all that, I’m ready to go back to the campfire here at Whippa Wheels and coyotes howling. Like, you ain’t gonna believe. And I’m puffing on me a Fuente cigar, ai, you ain’t gonna believe the steakhouse that Joe told me about. It’s heaven. It’s heaven.
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02:40:04
Well, I think, Michael, one of the things that people really enjoy about you and I’ve enjoyed talking to you is you have a a genuine gratitude towards life. You know, it’s it’s infectious. It’s it’s real, and, I think, appreciation for this beautiful chaotic world that we live in is, it’s a it’s a virtuous thing.
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It’s a very important thing.
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Well, that means a lot. And and to be able to to see that, it it means it’s more to me than anything because I do. I mean, I I I don’t even know how and and ai. Sometimes Ai ask myself and, I mean, like I said, I I just been so blessed, and it’s been amazing. The people I’ve met and learned so much, I mean, it’s just I don’t I don’t know how it happened.
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02:40:48
Going back to that thought ai grandmama’s living ram, like, what are you doing, boy? You know? It’s ai, you got a brand new flaring kit.
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02:40:54
That’s also one of the reasons why it’s so cool.
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Because
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it worked out that way. It wasn’t like it was all easily planned out and a a just a natural path for you to go down.
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02:41:04
Did did you have much of that, Joe? Like, obviously, growing up where you did and I mean, you’ve, I mean, a a same amazing opportunity. You had so many cool things has happened. But did you ever have any people, like, what is what’s Joe doing?
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02:41:17
Oh, yeah. Everyone. My ai, for sure.
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02:41:18
Could be a comedian?
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Yeah. What the fuck are you doing? Like, you’re not even funny. They didn’t want me to fight when I started fighting. They’re ai, you’re gonna get hurt. They didn’t want me to do comedy because I was good at fighting. Like, why don’t you stick with that? It was just no matter what, there’s always gonna be people that doubt you, especially if you wanna do something that’s high risk, low probability of success.
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02:41:39
You know, it it made me dig deep because I think of that. And and the reason I asked you that is because that experience I had with my family was ai mind boggling because I thought they would see it as I did. And I think there’s a difference in perception, or the way we perceive things in the true reality possibly because you got to sometimes bring yourself out and look back in from their point of view.
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02:41:58
And I learned it as I become a parent because now I got kids and they sana to do something. I got a boy, Mason. He just he moved to Charleston, South Ai, and all of a sudden Ai become a grandmama. In my mind, I got hey. When I get back, Christy, we’re gonna have some cornbread and collard greens and fried chicken. I wanna come back and tell you because he listens to every episode.
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02:42:16
My ai, McCoy, Meyer, all of them. So in my mind, I got him pictured living in a little house right there around the farm. Well, he bumps and moves to Charleston, South Carolina. I’m like, what are you doing? Are you on crack? Now you tell me. Are you what are you doing?
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02:42:33
And, and then it hit me. It’s like, man, I’m being my grandmama. I’m being uncle Tommy. And the reason they was that way, and sai with your parents, they love people love us so much
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02:42:41
Yeah.
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That they don’t want us to fail. And I think, inevitably, we can fail people as felt the people we love the most because we wanna keep them safe.
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02:42:49
Yes.
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02:42:50
I don’t want my, you ai, I know it’s a world where a ai where a woman can go out there and cut wood. I want my damn wife cutting wood. I cut the wood. Let me get the calluses. I don’t want my wife going to the door. You know, if a villain’s at ai, I’m not saying she couldn’t shoot more better than me. I don’t know.
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02:43:05
But at the end of the day, I love her enough. I don’t want her hurt. I don’t want my kids to fail. But in reality, why not? Somebody’s gotta do these small percentiles. Somebody gotta be a Michael Jordan. Yeah. How did Michael Jordan what’s his somebody sai you can’t make a living. You know?
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02:43:19
I’m sure somebody and so I think we want to put everybody in a safe speak, and if you think about it, if 80% or 90% of people can do these things, well, guess what? Go try the 10, 20%. If you fail, jump back into the 80, ai, and you can at least say you tried. Yeah. At least say I tried to make somebody laugh on a stage.
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02:43:36
At least say I tried to sell a hoist bow enough to make money, and they’d give me a percentage of something or have my name on a bow. I don’t know. You can at least try it. I don’t think it makes you arrogant or or overzealously confident. It’s just, why not?
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02:43:50
Well, I think there’s people that are afraid to try that will try to attack you for trying. Yeah. There’s that. There’s crabs in a bucket. You know? There’s that. There’s people that don’t want someone to take a risk and succeed because they never took a risk sana they they don’t wanna confront themselves with that thought.
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02:44:07
They don’t wanna be confronted with the reality of what they’ve done with their life. Like, maybe they did have a dream. Maybe they did wanna be like Luke Bryan. Maybe they did wanted to be on stage singing. Maybe they did wanted to
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02:44:17
Yeah.
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You know, they wanted to do something extraordinary, and they never really took the chance. And so when they see you taking the chance, they wanna fill you with doubt.
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02:44:25
They do.
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It’s a unnecessary and unfortunate aspect of human nature.
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02:44:29
I I see that, and I feel that from time to ai.
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02:44:32
But it makes you appreciate the people that encourage people more.
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02:44:35
Does. And and Ai I texted several people all the time, especially when I think about it. People saloni the way who said, hey Hey, bud. Let me pull you back. Stay away from this stuff, but you’re, you know, you’re special in this. You go do this and keep doing this. Man, people don’t realize what that that means. You know?
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02:44:50
I Ai think about that a
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lot for people.
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Think about that street person. It’s ai just I mean, literally, me in the right mood, especially with this young lady right there, I’d have wanted to hit him. And I don’t know mixed martial arts, but I know a goddamn haymaker, and he didn’t see it coming. And, I mean, he was calling this girl all ai of names and you you Meh, y’all. And all it took when he said, hey, bro. I’m on your side.
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And immediately, he was just ai, he just wanted to be heard and maybe that’s it. Maybe meh Ai don’t know. And and and that
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People just get tired of being outcasts, you know. People want community. They they really do. They want friends. They want it’s like you were saying before that, like, the relationships you make in this life, that’s the real trophy.
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It is. And and that’s the one thing, I guess, the last thing I’d sana leave about the hunting community. And I I think you felt it just from people you’ve seen or or maybe researched. And like Cam had said, he said, man, you won’t find a better student than Joe said. He knows more about Broadheads than the companies themselves. He researches this stuff.
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He knows the, geometry of bows and brace heights. He’s so dig deep. He said he just he loves it. And Ai and it made me feel so good to know that you’re that deep into it. And, but when you start looking at so many of of of these things that’s out there for us, what I find about the hunting community, it is a community of people that welcomes all.
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It doesn’t matter.
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Really
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does. And they want you to learn, and they’re so appreciative that you might would just take a look into this culture that sometimes can be ai, vatsal sometimes be judged and think we’re barbaric or we’re hillbilly or uneducated or arya just ruthless. And, and what you’ll find is there is a part of that that with dip dipping into nature, mother nature, you have to kind of become an animal with that and be like the bear, like the predator.
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You are a killer. You have to come to full draw to feed your family, but it’s so welcoming, and I’ve never seen anybody alienized. I’ve never seen anybody that I’ve thought that was a solid person within the industry and are just people around my house that wouldn’t bring in, feed you, and say, come on.
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Let me show you what this is about, boy or young lady. And I’m proud of that, and I’m confident, and I know that there’s nobody, even the people that might talk bad about them, they’re going to treat them good. And, I remember my, one thing that was epic that happened, Joe, and it hit me pretty hard.
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My my daughter, Addie, had asked meh, you know, dad, what would what in a situation if we’re at school and there’s something bad happening, you know, I was talking about some of the school shootings, and I saw we just had one. I’m like, what should I do? And I was like, was there any kind of mandate or what you should do?
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And Ai said, well, they say do this, this, and this. Hide under your desk and sit there and wait and lock the doors. I said, well, I’m about to go against protocol, Addie. I said and I knew her school. They had these outside doors that went out and quickly there in Harris County, Georgia. It goes off into the wilderness, you know.
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Matter of fact, my farm is right across from the high school. And, I said, Eddie, I’ll tell you what I want you to do. If something goes awry, I said, you know, you’ve hunted with me a lot and you understand, you know, how to hide and slip around and stuff like that. I said, if something happens and you can see that exit door and you can get out and you can hit the woods, I want you to go right then.
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Don’t wait around. I want you to go figure out the situation. Like, if a bear is coming in the tent, you get out the tent and get up the tree or what if you gotta do. And I said, but here’s what I want you to do. I said, you go and I ain’t never told you to judge somebody because I don’t believe in judging a book by the cover. I don’t.
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I I don’t believe in that. But I said, but in this case, in this adverse moment, you go out and you find a a beat up old Chevrolet truck. It’s got NRA sticker on it, maybe a beat up minivan with a mom riding around with some, you know, maybe it is that old 70 Chevelle because that guy appreciates good cars, and you jump out and you stop him.
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It’s sana be a complete stranger, but I want you to pick out that person. I said, you know, you and and find out. And I said, if you find somebody with a 4 wheel drive truck that you know it probably resembles your granddaddy or or me or or Nick Munt and all these guys, you jump in there.
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They’re gonna have a little snack. They’re definitely gonna have a gun in there, and you tell them what happened. They will protect you until they can find me. And when I thought about that, I was dead serious, but then I thought that goes beyond my ai. Anybody.
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It wouldn’t matter if you was Muslim, Christian, or goth, or whatever. If you did that in the country, somebody’s going to stop and say, hey, man. What what’s going on? They’re going to quickly evaluate it, and I’m not saying everybody won’t. I think most people has shah opportunity, but if you raise around that culture to where you’re ready to help and you’re ready to assist, love is so deep and, and and the nature and the human nature is to protect and to to make sure this person is doing good even if they don’t align in thought process.
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And so I’m proud to come from that and and and and that’s probably my biggest joy, whether it’s taking a a Jim Bryden or Theo, is when they see it, that’s that’s always even if they don’t get something, they’re like, man, this was cool. This sai fun. There’s some good folks. A little scared of y’all. A little scared of y’all.
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And Theo and all of them said, man, if something happens, I’m coming to your house, Waddell. And Kayla Preston lives at this little punk. She said, Waddell, my wife is fiance. I don’t think he’s married to you. He said, my wife said, hey. If something happens, we’re going to Michael Waddell’s house.
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He said, you don’t even know where he lives. He she said, well, I’m still going there. And, ai, anyway, that that’s just that’s just cool. Ai I’m proud of that. That ain’t that ain’t anything to do with me. That’s just it’s a culture.
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It’s just such an amazing
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It’s an amazing culture.
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Share that.
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Michael, I really enjoyed talking to you, man. Thank you very much. You too.
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Thanks for having me.
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It was a lot of fun.
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Thank you, man.
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Tell everybody what your social media is, where they could find your your hunts ai.
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02:50:22
Oh, yeah. Obviously, bonecollector.com. We’re on Ram at officialbonecollector, I think it is, and then, there’s a Michael Waddell page. There’s there’s a Bone Collector page, and, heck, I’m on TikTok. So yeah. Alright. I’m dancing around over there too, so I’m on everything.
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It’s Ai spying on me too, but anyway.
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Ai sure.
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02:50:42
Thank you, Joe.
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Thanks, brother. Been a fan of your
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time. Appreciate everything.
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Fun. Thanks very much. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.
