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James Fox is a UFO investigator and documentary filmmaker. His new film, “The Program,” is available to stream now.
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#2246 – James Fox Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion centers around the complexities of disclosing nonhuman intelligence (NHI) and the implications of such revelations on society. The conversation delves into the politics of disclosure, considering the potential impacts on organized religion and financial institutions. A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the work of Julian Dory and Jesse, who are recognized for their contributions to exploring these topics, particularly in the realm of aerospace and artificial intelligence.
The episode also highlights the testimony of David Grush, a high-level intelligence officer, who claims that the government has definitive proof of a crash retrieval program, suggesting that humanity is not alone. This testimony has sparked legislative actions and congressional hearings, marking a significant step in the disclosure process.
A recurring theme is the strategic and gradual approach to disclosure, emphasizing the need for patience as the information is slowly revealed to the public. The discussion touches on the future of warfare, with a focus on drones and hypersonic jets, suggesting a shift away from traditional human-piloted fighter jets.
Actionable insights include the importance of understanding where official Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) data is stored, such as in the Secret Internet Protocol Router Network (SIPR) or the Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System (JWIX), accessible only in secure facilities. The episode encourages listeners to remain patient and informed as the disclosure process unfolds, likening it to a marathon rather than a sprint.
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#2246 – James Fox Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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It’s very good time to have a u x bow. UFO expert in. Expert in.
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A lot has been going on.
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This is you know, I had, I know you ran into him. I had Ryan Graves on yesterday.
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Oh my god. I’ll tell you the funny story about how I ran into him.
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You ran into him in the lobby of the hotel. Right?
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So the lobby told me they’re all don’t use this one elevator. It’s really rickety. And it makes a lot of noise, and it’s just it’s not very reliable and just don’t use it. So I didn’t. And then I was leaving 24 hours later to come down and get some coffee. And I was like, ah, fuck. Let me take the Ricky the elevator.
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I was like, they told me not to take it, but I’m gonna take it anyway. So I ai the button. I’m standing there. I hear this. The door’s open.
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I look. I see the shadowy figure in the corner. I’m like, Ryan Graves? What are you doing? He goes, I don’t know. What are you doing?
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It’s like, come I was like, are you doing what I think you’re doing? He goes, yeah. That’s all yours. Did he
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tell you that? Yes. He did. Told me ran into you.
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Oh, he didn’t tell me
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the whole story about the rickety licks. Yeah. Yeah. And he was
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ai this shadowy figure up against the corner, like, kind of just, you know, looking at him, he’s looking at me. He was really funny. We
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had a lot of we talked a lot of nonsense about, aliens, but we also talked about the technology that he knows is state of the art when it comes to drones.
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Yes.
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And that some of these ones in New Jersey, they’re doing things that you can’t really do yet.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Which is really fascinating because it’s ai, okay.
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And it’s the size of SUVs.
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Right. So is it ours? And we somehow or another have some stuff that the mainstream drone manufacturers at the highest level aren’t aware of meh? Was it ours? Is it ai some crazy military stuff? Because if it’s not and it’s coming from the ocean, like, what do you mean it’s coming?
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What the fuck do you
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50 of them.
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What do you mean? What do you mean 50 suburban ai?
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So check this out.
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Flows are coming out of the ocean.
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This is really funny. I’ve been working with this ai. We’ve been communicating on a signal for a long time. Actually, he was through Proton. He was emailing me stuff about Virginia, the the UFO crash in Virginia. And, but he was anonymous. One day, I was like, he’s really knowledgeable, and he was sending me stuff that was really helpful. Like, you should track down this flight because it happened.
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It was gonna have this airport. Mhmm. Go to this bryden, and I was like, finally, one day, I was like, who are you? And how do you know what you know? He goes, I’m a retired United States Air Force colonel. I was like, oh. And he goes, and I’m also an experience.
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Sai had had an experience back in 1980 blah blah blah. Oh.
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So he What happened to him?
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He had a UFO encounter. It’s in the movie towards the end. But, anyway, he texted me yesterday, and he goes, James, I really want you to explain to me how the hell you orchestrated a u f UAP invasion right around the time your film’s coming out. I was like, I really like to know how you did that. I was like, I know I could.
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Do you know what kind of a budget you would have to have to have drones running in the sky all over how many different cities are reporting it now? Like, what’s the numbers?
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It’s exploding all over all over the place, and it’s getting mittier. I’ve heard California. I’ve heard Europe now. Base is in England, New York, New Jersey.
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I’ve heard, San Diego. I I definite wasn’t there something in Ai? Right? Wright Patterson Air Force Base, they had to shut that place down. Yeah. That’s Ohio. So I’ve heard New Jersey. Ai think Florida. Right? That was the one that Ryan Graves showed us a photo of. That was from Florida. So, like, who fucking Ai.
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How what’s going
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on? Who fucking knows? I was super busy. You know, I have the release of the film going on, and so I was, like, trying to focus on that and getting everything lined up, and it was a huge push. And all these text messages from all around the world are pointing in, like, what the hell’s going on with these drones?
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And I ai, like, god, it’s probably something conventional. I’m not gonna worry about it right now. I’m just gonna keep on focusing when I got it when I got it hand here. And then I started getting more information coming in, more information that a buddy of mine called me, and he actually went to Brazil with me a couple years ago, and he’s like, bro, I live here.
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I’m seeing these things in the sky. I’ve seen them 7 times now. There’s the size of an SUV. I was like, well, what do they look like? What do they behave like? He’s like, well, they’re making noise. I was like, oh, okay.
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Well, that quickly kind of eliminates, you know, something nonconventional in terms of propulsion, but then I got reports of objects that didn’t make any noise and it would go silent.
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What kind of noise it was making?
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Like a like a like a like a propellers drones would make, but loud and they’re and they have yeah. And they have a lawyer, but they’re big and they have a lawyer time of hours. The average drone, like, I fly drones for my films Mhmm. Is, like, you’re lucky to get 25 minutes. These things are Right.
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Hours. Yeah. 5 hours at a time.
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They go dark when they’re approached by other of other objects. They’re not getting picked up on FLIR at ai. And then some of them make have no noise. Ai heard crescent shaped. And then I heard about the ones that really got me because I contacted Christopher Mellon. I was like, Chris, what is going on, buddy?
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I really rely on him for good information. And he’s like, I really don’t know, man. It’s a real shit show and the US government seems to be clueless right now. He goes, some of them are conventional, some of them are misidentified conventional ram, but there are other ones coming in off the ocean. There are up to 50.
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The coast guard and police department are reporting that truly remain a mystery. And then you had Schumer at a press conference just like it was yesterday, and then he’s going he’s we don’t know what they are. We don’t know what they are. And the guy goes, yeah. So it’s a UAP. He goes, well, the drones. He goes, well, you wrote the legislation. It’s a UAP.
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It’s unidentified anomalous phenomena. Why don’t you just use UAP? I think they’re using the word drone because UAP is almost too scary. Like, invasion’s happening.
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That’s what UAP is unidentified anomalous Yeah. Phenomenon. Yeah. So Couldn’t that be kinda anything? Doesn’t even need ai. Well, that’s
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the thing because it used to be unidentified aerial well, it was UFO, unidentified flying object, then it was UAP unidentified aerial phenomenon, but then they’re coming out of the water. Ai?
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I feel like this is not
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So they said anomalous.
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Ai don’t they just keep using UFO?
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Because it has because people associate UFO with otherworldly, and they they wanted to take that, remove that baggage, and make it a little less scary. That’s my personal opinion.
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I kind of get that, but also it’s just an ai flying object. If we find out what it is, then it becomes an identified flying object. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s alien. True. Ai, like, think think of people’s bryden
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jumping out of their windows right now if they said UFOs are invading the East Coast. You remember World of World, ai?
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That’s true.
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People were ai, jump That’s true. That’s a good point.
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That’s actually a very good point.
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So I think they toted it out. I think they’re using the word drone even though they’re unidentified just because of the fear factor. I think the fear factor is real.
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Yeah. I I can’t help but cringe when I hear that word.
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Oh, sorry. I didn’t the the the fear element. It’s so funny. Sorry.
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It’s too it was too much of a part
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of my life. Too close to home.
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So when did they start? Like, what was, when was it acknowledged that this was an issue that was reoccurring recently? Ai, you know, obviously, there’s always been something in the sky. People have always seen things. Who knows what they are, whether or not they’re you know, a lot of people see Starlink, and they think it’s UFOs. Right? Yeah.
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Yeah. Of course.
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But when did this drone thing that we’re currently experiencing basically every day, when did it start?
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Couple weeks ago. Maybe a month maybe maybe a month ago. That’s when I started really hearing about it. But
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Jamie, is there, like, I have any sort of official answer to that?
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I have something that
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20th ai something like that.
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It is. Mid November.
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Mid November?
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I have something that, this is about an airbase in Vandenberg Air Force Base in 2003, and this is not an anonymous. But this is about incursions over listen to this. I promised this individual that I met at Seoul Conference. He’s a witness. He’s a military guy. My name is Jeffrey Nusatelli. I served 16 years in the United States Air Force as a technical sergeant and a military police officer.
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In October 2003, my coworkers and I witnessed a series of extraordinary UAP incursions at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The initial event is known as the Vandenberg Meh Square, and it was first mentioned during the historic UAP hearing UAP hearing held in 2023. The case involved Boeing contractors who witnessed a huge red square shaped object roughly the size of a football field hovering over a missile defense system.
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The object was silent and had no visible means of propulsion. The contractors watched in amazement as the massive object slowly drifted east and vanished over the hills. I retained official air force records of the event, including the blotter form entry, which includes the names and contact information of all the witnesses and provided it to select members of congress arrow and the FBI arrows into UAP task force, all domain anomalous resolution office.
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After the initial event, several other UAP incursions took place at Vandenberg. I was on duty during many of the encounters, and I investigated the incidents as they unfolded. Ai, remember, this is not anonymous reporting here. They include a football football field ai craft that terrified security guards as it silently hovered over a bunch a launch facility beef before flying off at an unbelievable rate of speed.
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A brightly illuminated silent object that landed on the base flight line before accelerating instantaneously and disappearing into space. A huge triangle shaped craft larger than a c 130 that hovered 50 feet over a police officer before it drifted slowly over the base. A blue white liquid orb, roughly the size of his house that hovered over his house on the base.
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The objects made no sound and had zero obvious means propulsion, and he says ai experiences with UAP were awe ai, exciting, and terrifying. I don’t know why UAP are flying over our bases and our neighborhoods, but I do know the UAP phenomenon is of the utmost importance to all of humanity.
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I currently have 5 other military witnesses to the Ai incursions that are all willing to testify tomorrow under oath that these statements are true. We need answers to this mystery and better government transparency. Thank you for the opportunity to share my story. Former United States Air Force technical sergeant and witness Jeff Nusatelli.
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Woah. Crazy. Right? I mean, we’re talking all the size of a football field.
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That’s bananas. And then they took off in insanely fast just like the Tic Tac.
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Straight up into space.
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So this was it. What what was the exact date of this?
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This was 2003. There was a number of incursions during that year up all the way into 2,005. And he has the names and they submitted it to the new head of Arrow.
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That’s interesting because that that coincides with the Tic Tac.
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It does coincide with the Tic Tac.
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If there’s, like, you know, vacation season.
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You know?
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It’s ai every few years. Let’s go check
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out what those guys are up to.
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You know what I mean? Maybe it’s like a real pain in the ass to get here. Maybe it’s one of those things ai you can go to Australia, but it’s, dude, it’s a pain in
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the ass.
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It’s 16 fucking hours on a plane. It’s a long flight.
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Oh my gosh. I went to South Africa one ai, and that was like, 230 minutes. Yeah. I was like, there’s planes gonna run out of gas.
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That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s like one of those things. It’s like you can do it, but it’s sai pain in the ass. So maybe they only travel to Earth every now and again.
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How could these incursions have been taking place and, like, here we are 20 years later, and we’re only now really starting to talk about them?
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I think the reason being is if you don’t understand it and you can’t protect people from it because it’s so beyond our capabilities that if just describing it accurately removes all confidence that our government has everything under control. That’s one one reason why. And, also, if you have no answers, you don’t know what the hell it is.
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That’s a very good point. Yes.
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If you don’t know what the hell it is, what are you even gonna say? Hey. There’s something that came. We don’t know what fuck it is. It’s as big as a football field. Yeah. Shot off into the sky. We have no idea. They they’d be like, what do you mean we we we have no idea? Hire someone who understands this.
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That’s And then they’d be like, fire
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him. Get him out of hospice. I remember, like, 20 years ago, bright eyed, bushy tailed, totally naive, still bright I mean, still still ai, but I was meeting with the general. And I said, god, it’ll be so amazing. You know, the story is, like, so unifying, and we had this kumbaya moment, and we discovery that, you know, we’re not alone in the universe and wouldn’t that be amazing and blah blah blah, the implications for all of humanity.
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And he sat there almost chuckling at me. Uh-huh. And he goes he looked at me and he goes, you you got it all wrong, man. You know, you gotta see this through our lens. I was like, through your lens? He goes, yeah, the military’s perspective. I was like, okay. Tell me.
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Ai I never thought about this before. You just mentioned it. He goes, okay. Imagine this scenario. We sit there and we say, you know, my fellow Americans who has been brought to our attention that there are craft of unknown origin whizzing around with impunity in our airspace.
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They exhibit a technology that’s light years advanced from anything that we have. We don’t know who they are, where they come from, what they want. Shall they turn to be hostile? We have no visible means of defense against them. Thank you, and good
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night. You’re fired. You’re fired. You’re ai and it’ll someone like Trump will come along. I’ll have make a deal with the aliens.
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Yeah. But do you do you see that predicted? Ai, people always go, why the secrecy?
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Duh. Yeah. You have to have secrecy because you gotta imagine the job of a politician in general. Right? Like, you have to pretend that you’re gonna be able to handle situations that you well know you’re not gonna be able to handle. Yeah. You know, if you’re running for president, you know that you’re not gonna fix this economy. Ai? Stop.
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Just Everything’s gonna be I’m gonna wave the magic wand and it’s all gonna be taken care of.
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You know you’re not gonna implement electric cars over the stop. Stop. Shut the fuck up. There’s not enough batteries. So you’re if you’re lying about all that, you’re probably gonna lie about whether or not you can handle the alien threat. I will unite us. I will unite us as a planet sai we can deal together with the aliens.
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Yeah. Yeah. Let’s do ai.
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All you have to do is just say some bullshit like that.
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And then someone probably bends his ear when he gets into office and he’s like, yeah.
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A good speaker ai that disclosure. JD Vance, like a guy like that, very bright, young, energetic speak. He could convince people he could talk to the aliens. He could convince people. He could convince people that he can unite us all.
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Have you have you seen the program? No. I have not. Okay. So there is
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Explain it to everybody.
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Okay. So the ram, basically it’s funny because the last time I was on the show, we were talking about an alleged crash retrieval case that took place in Virginia, Brazil Yes. In 1996.
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And your documentary on it, which
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is Yes. Moment of contact. Amazing. Amazing documentary. Talking about vatsal, and I I I came off the hills of doing the phenomenon, which touched a little bit on a potential crash retrieval program, but then it was ai, then it was the crash retrieval over in Virginia, Brazil.
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And then, I got hyper focused on that, and then I had sort of was a personal journey for me was okay. The elected officials, what do they know, and when do they know it? Do we have a cross procedure program? That’s what I set out to do. And then 3 months after I was on your show in April of 2023, the highest level intel officer, David Grush, testifies under oath that there is a crash retrieval ram, and the government does have definitive proof that we’re not alone.
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So he kind of opened the door for meh, and a lot had happened since the release of the of the phenomenon and moment of contact there was all this legislation there was the 1st congressional hearing there was, ai closed doors meetings with a number of of intel officers and witnesses and and then you had the 2nd congressional hearing which was David Grush which was absolutely phenomenal.
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I’m sure you saw that. Yeah. Right? And then just recently just a couple of months ago we had the 3rd congressional hearing which I actually, funny enough, got to attend. So it was the first time in my 30 years investigating.
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I was actually sitting behind people while they were testifying under oath about legitimacy of the phenomenon as well as there’s a crash retrieval program. I mean, people have to understand that feel like maybe these things aren’t happening fast enough. Just a couple years ago, they didn’t even admit that the phenomenon is real.
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Now there’s people testifying under oath that we have a crash retrieval program. So drip, drip, drip, things are happening. They’re not putting the genie back in the bottle.
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Do you wonder at all that you’re being mind fucked? Do you wonder at all if there’s a massive sigh up and this is all just to cover up some very advanced American I think weapons technology?
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I think it’s a very good question and here’s why I don’t believe that because I have done 30 years of field research. Right? So I’ve gone to China, I’ve been to Russia, I’ve been to Australia and Africa, South America, Canada, Alaska, all across Europe, United States, and I’ve investigated close encounters of the 3rd kind.
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And I would ask your audience, don’t take it from me, but the the United States Air Force investigated and categorized close encounters of the first, second, and third ai. Right? During their official capacity, Project Blue Project Sign, Project Grudge, Project Blue Book.
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Fucking movie, by the way. If you haven’t seen it, folks, Close Encounters for the 3rd ai. Probably the best alien invasion movie of all time.
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Doctor Hynek has a cameo appearance in that film. Did you know that? I
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had heard that. Ai. I don’t remember who he was, though, but wasn’t the French guy? Didn’t
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he Yeah. Jacques Vallee. He’s supposed to be Jacques Vallee. Jacques Vallee has a cameo well, there’s a guy acting his part, but, actually, doctor Jalen Ai, who’s the scientific ai to Project Blue Book all those years for the air force, actually has a cameo appearance, smoking a cigar during the encounter.
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And That’s in oh, that’s it.
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That’s right. That’s right. Hynek.
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That’s right. Smoking a pipe.
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Smoking a ai. And he a lot of the cases ai down to Richard Ai’ face being burned by the UFO, those came directly out of project blue book ai. Even the description of what the entities looked ai, close encounters. Again, close encounters of the 3rd kind. This is the United States Air Force meh this stuff. Yeah.
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And he and and he took it directly out of project blue files and made a movie out of it. And as a little wink wink nudge nudge, he has doctor Hynek have a cameo appearance in the movie.
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You know what?
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Most people don’t know that.
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It’s it’s a fantastic movie too.
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It’s a great movie.
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Because it’s a movie that’s filled with it’s not ai standard UFO’s land. Like, there’s some play going on. There’s some weirdness to the way they interact with us. That sort of is much more realistic in terms of, like, the things that people experience.
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Yeah.
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They experience interactions, very strange interactions. And when they had those little orb like things that were flying around the movie, that’s all straight out of, like Yeah.
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Yeah. Oh, 100%. I remember I had a buddy of mine who was a pilot over Europe in the seventies, and he used to come for family dinners, and he was always talking about it. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. And then later, we’re all in the firefighters.
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When I started getting an interest in UFOs, I was like, Michael, tell me about that UFO encounter you had, that red orb. Because it was just like it was in the close encounters of the third kind, Steven Spielberg’s movie. Ai was like, ah, they took those files directly out of Project Blue Book files and right onto the big screen.
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That’s what the Foo Fighters were. Right?
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Yeah. Foo Fighters too. They had little orbs. Yeah. Yeah. Little
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orbs. Ai pilots are flying around. They’re seeing these things with them.
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Well, but let me ask you, and this is why that I don’t think it’s a SIOP thing because I don’t think it’s a SIOP either. Well, the reason why I don’t is because okay. I don’t just believe Grush because he testified under oath, and he’s a high level intelligence officer. That’s very impressive.
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I believe Grush because his claims align with my personal research in the field. Remember Ai investigated crash retrieval ram, crash retrieval cases. Right? Mhmm. And so I was I meh, I when I put out moment of contact, ai when I went into to put out moment of contact people were going James you just dropped one of the biggest most successful UFO films in terms of transcending the UFO community and penetrating a much broader more mainstream audience Are you sure you wanna put on a documentary that deals with an alleged crash and live aliens walking around the town of Virginia, Brazil?
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Like, seriously, that’s what you sana to put out there? You you got access to, like, Larry Harry Reid and all these intel insiders, and now you wanna do that. You’re gonna tarnish your reputation. It’s a bad Who
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gave you that advice?
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A lot of people did. They were I
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wish you called me. I’m like, James, you can handle it.
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You probably heard about Moment of Contact and then you thought, oh, this sounds too crazy. Then I thought you watched it.
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No. I thought, well, I always think a crash and contact sounds crazy.
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I know. I always do. And it does.
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I always think that. But I would have never told you not to do it.
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Oh, okay.
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I would have never told you not to do it. You’re really good sai You know how to, like, you’re really good at, like, explaining
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But you look half the town talking about it, including the man.
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That’s an incredible story. It’s an incredible story. It’s
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a phenomenal story.
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It’s one of those stories where you’re ai, if everybody’s in on this, this is crazy. If everybody’s telling and no one there’s not one contrarian that comes out and goes, they all told me to lie. I’m not fucking lying. This is stupid. They’re doing it for tourism.
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Oh, yeah.
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Not one person? Come on. There’s always some hater. There’s always some hater who wants to ruin your gag.
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I remember.
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It was
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you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. No. I told you. I remember when I was making moment of contact, and I wasn’t done with you yet. Lou Elizondo was ai he’s like, James, he called me up. He goes, I need a copy. I was like, the films that I don’t care. I need a copy. Give me a rough cut. I don’t care. I was like, okay. Okay. What’s the urgency? And he’s like, you don’t understand who’s watching this right now.
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So I was like, okay. So I’m giving him copies, and I had absolutely no idea ever in a 100000000 years that I think we’re gonna be having months after the release of moment of contact, a congressional hearing under oath that was just a crash for people What
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year did Logix. Moment of contact come out?
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It came out at the end of 2022. Do you
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think Biden watched it? Do you think he sat down with Biden? That would have been wild.
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You know, he’s been He’s ai Bryden. He’s been so dismissive of it all. Ai, you know, Obama sai a lot more about it.
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Ai? Because he’s already in space. He’s in space right now.
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He’s like, go talk
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to Obama. Ai now
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around Saturn. The best you can do?
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He’s like doctor Manhattan. He’s on
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the moon
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in a glass house.
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Okay. Let’s sai, if Biden if you’re listening right now, you have nothing to lose.
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You’re the president of the United States, sir. Release the hounds.
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He’s never running ever again. Exactly. He’s not running for a second term. You’re it’s come on.
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We’re done. He’s already pardoned more human beings than any president ever ever other than Carter.
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To the advice at the end of the program Yeah. By senator Harry Reid, who’s now the the late senator Harry Reid. And I said to him, what advice would you give the president? It could have been any president at the time. And he said, don’t be afraid of tarnishing your legacy by addressing this issue head on. And I hope that Biden gets to see that.
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And I really hope that president-elect Donald Trump gets to see that. People are ready for the truth. They’ve had enough of the line. I think we’re way beyond that at this point.
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I agree with you. However, when I confronted mister Trump
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Oh, yeah.
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He was very cagey.
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Was he really?
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Very cagey. I’ve seen some things. They told me some things. He didn’t tell me shit. He basically it was Ai basically, like, neither confirm nor deny. No. There was no eyes. I don’t do that shah. Especially to a a pro ai Donald Ram, like, you’re not Really? Yeah. Yeah.
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We’re gonna do it to an actor, so shut up. Really? So just think.
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Yeah.
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If Daniel Day Lewis tyler told you that he just ate a baby, you’d fucking believe him. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, this idea that Ai, what does his eyes tell you? What does his eyes tell you? It depends on the person. Depends on the person. If it’s your regular crackpot and they tell you a lie, like, something’s up. But there’s people that can hide things. They can hide things behind their eyes.
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I think he knows something. I don’t think he’s that interested. I think he’s more interest I think he’s a sort of a no nonsense type of guy. That’s this is why. You kinda have to be to be managing multiple businesses simultaneously. Right? Yeah. He’s always done that his whole career. Right?
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Yeah.
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Manage being on The Apprentice ai running these golf courses, while having these buildings, apartment buildings, hotels. He’s constantly doing something. Right?
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Yeah.
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So while he’s doing all that, and he’s playing golf, while he’s doing all that, there’s there’s no time for fucking aliens, man. There’s no time for nonsense. There’s no time for sitting around with your buddies, you know, smoking a cigar going, what do you think, man? I mean, if they fucking if I was dead, man, I would do what they’re doing. You know, I wouldn’t there’s no time for that nonsense talk.
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That guy’s got businesses.
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But we got objects of unknown origin flying over residential areas, flying over military bases, flying over nuclear silos.
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Well, now I think he’s much more interested because
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That’s a matter of national security. I ai, people are freaking out. Like, what the hell are we seeing? And they’re going, we don’t know what they are, but everything’s fine. Meh is totally safe. There’s no there’s no national security issue here. We don’t know what they are, but you’re fine. Don’t worry about it. You remember, what was the Steven Spielberg movie with the shah? The great white shark?
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Yeah. Jaws.
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Jaws. You remember? Yeah. Yeah. Everything’s ai.
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The meh.
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The bear
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is like, keep swimming. Yeah. Keep swimming. The water’s fine.
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Everyone’s saying people are getting bitten in half.
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That’s the perfect analogy. Dude, that is the perfect analogy. That is it.
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Everything’s fine. Go about your lives. They’re definitely ai
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gonna see sniffing drones. Come on, nuke sniffing drones. So what if some nuclear material was just stolen
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Oh my gosh. Off
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a cargo ship? Whatever whatever. Guys.
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All the all the online conspiracy stuff is is crazy, and I get a lot of it because, obviously, what I do Of course. And and people said me all ai of stuff. I was like, well, hang on a second. I wish I could put boots on the ground, but but no. That’s there’s something really weird going on. And the fact that they don’t know or they’re claiming that they don’t know what it is. And here’s another really funny thing.
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I actually in the in the program that I did now, and I hope you get a chance to watch it because it’s crazy. It’s got Tell people what it is. Okay. So, basically, I was just talking about earlier Tell
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the people the title the whole time.
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It’s called the program. It’s gonna be on it’s on it just came out. It’s at number 1 right now. It’s on Amazon. Come out? Yesterday.
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Oh, beautiful.
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I know. So, sai, it came out yesterday. It’s on Amazon. It’s on, Apple TV, and you can Google the because they algorithms are just starting to catch up with it on Google right now because everyone’s like Nice. I can’t find it. Look up the program and then Google James Fox UFO documentary the program. You will 100% find it. It’s being also made, available internationally.
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They’re working as fast as they can to get it up. It just went up yesterday. It’s the most independent film from start to finish that I’ve ever made, and it covers what happened because everybody thinks the government suddenly had this epiphany ai to be more transparent with the general public.
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That’s not what happened. What happened is there were a couple of intel insiders in the Pentagon reviewing some of this classified data or so called classified data and resigned in protest of excessive secrecy. They found a loophole. This is Lou, probably Jay Stratton. I don’t know for sure.
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Definitely, Chris Meh, and they walked these evidence tapes out of the Pentagon through this loophole. They bent the rules a little bit and onto the front page of the New York Times. Right? Sai that happened and it got it was just it was exploded. You remember that.
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Mhmm.
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And since then, there has been this unprecedented push by a bipartisan group of lawmakers to find out what the intelligence agencies know and where they knew it. And and so that started happening behind the scenes. Right? So it was 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, and then in 2022, they’re ai, we’re having a congressional hearing.
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Congressman Andre Carson, I think he’s a Wisconsin, but I’m not positive. He put on he spearheaded the first open congressional hearing, public open congressional hearing. And in that congressional hearing, they acknowledge the fact that the phenomenon was real. It was slowly introduced that we were not getting told the facts.
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There was a document that came out called the the, Wilson Davis memo and that was about the discovery by a former DIA guy, admiral Wilson, of the crash retrieval program that was ai maybe 20, 20 plus years ago and none of the names or anything in that document were redacted.
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I cover that memo in the film. And then 2023, another congressional hearing this time it was David Grush talking about the crash retrieval program. It’s been a steady progression and so a lot has gone on between 2017 and 2024 and that is what this film does is it covers behind the scenes effort ai group of lawmakers effort to find out what the intelligence agencies really know.
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Yeah. And people that were you know? And and in one of them, it’s there there’s an encounter, and I think I remember you hearing about it because you wanted to get ahold of David Grush, and so you contacted me. And I actually had a I I actually had a drone up in the air in England, and I was I know.
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And I had I had my phone attached to my drone thing Mhmm. Because that’s what was using as a controller for the screen. And I’m flying the drone, and there was a huge windmill. And I saw this windmill, and I was like, that’s gonna make a beautiful shot for the movie. And it is in the movie. So I’m up there flying it in the wind.
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The the the the turbines are going round and round, and I can’t quite tell how close my drone is to them. Oh, no. Ai I’m paying really good attention, and I’m getting close to these big ai. And all of a sudden, my phone’s ringing, and it’s you. I’m like, oh my god.
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I I can’t not answer this. I gotta answer. So I answered it while my drone was up there.
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Oh, no.
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And we talked briefly, and you said, hey. Can you get me in touch with with David Grush? I said, yeah. I got a guy that can put you in touch with. That was Jason Sands. And I guess you and Jason Sands talked about this alleged encounter in 1994 with this entity alien, whatever you wanna call him, in the desert. Yes.
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So that was crazy story. Crazy story. But but in any case so when you watch the movie in the program, you’ll see the drone flying dangerously close to these, and that’s funny little inside thing that So it didn’t crash. The fuck. Didn’t ram, but I was on the phone with you when it happened. But when you watch the footage, it’s like, wow. That’s really close.
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Is that guy public with that story?
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He well so because ai, I would discuss it. Yeah. Yeah. Because it
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sounded so nutty. No.
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No. No. Okay. So here’s what happened. This this is funny because, when I was in Washington DC with Mellon and and this gentleman, Jason Sana, I’m using his name now, and Mellon looked at me and he goes, this guy’s story is pretty wild. I was like, what do you mean? He goes really ai. And we’re sitting down having dinner, and Chris Mellon orders he orders a, he orders a drink.
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He he had a tequila, so whatever. Anyway and we’re all having dinner, and and, Jason Sands starts telling the story about this alleged encounter in 1994, and it’s one of the craziest stories. And I’ve been doing this for 30 years, and this story is nuts. Okay? You remember. Oh, yeah. So so Yeah.
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He I went like this to my phone. He was telling to me ai there’s one.
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Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Sai, I’ll
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get one of those way wait. What the fuck did you just say?
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Insane. Yeah. So Tell everybody what we said. Oh, I will. I’ll get to that in one second. This is the reason why I can some. Well, that’s the reason why I can discuss it publicly. I know. The reason why I can discuss it publicly is because he was gonna appear anonymously in the movie.
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And I was debating on exactly how to go about doing this because I was torn because you got a statement from an individual. You don’t have his ai, but, hey, Ai was in DC. I put the whole thing down, and I said, look. If it he was worried about his security. He was a whistleblower. He’d already testified to a number of of senate intel committees sana armed service committee. And, all about the UFO phenomenon? Yeah. About the UFO phenomenon.
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They’ve they’re part of the UFO, UOP task force. They found him, and they he was giving them information and reporting on things. And, so Ai he’s he goes, I’m really fearful. I don’t know if this witness protection program is gonna be that helpful. I’m just I’m worried.
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I said, look, if you’re concerned about the story getting out or not getting out, if you want, I’m here. You can come to our studio. We could film you on camera. And if anything happens to you, it could be released, and it could be a little insurance policy for yourself. He goes, that sounds great. Let’s do it. So I did a whole film about it.
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And then I’m periodically posting clips or or just still frames and updates on the movie as I’m making it as I do on social media. And I posted this one scene, and it had a clipboard on the in the scene. And on that clipboard, if you zoomed right in, it had his name. So I posted the, by accident, I posted the damn thing, and, my phone starts blowing up 10 minutes later. You just revealed this this guy. What are you doing?
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Take it down. Take it down. Take it out. Too late. Too late. So it was out there, and he’s getting all kinds of heat.
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So as a result of it, I’m giving you the truncated version. He basically had to go through the dobser process, which is basically pre publication of authorization of what you can and cannot say. Excuse me. So he basically could talk about a number of cases that were in the film. We had to blurb out one particular word, which in the movie, it’s blurred out.
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We had to do that. That was that was Dobbser. So it was the winter of 1994. There was, a unidentified flying object that was picked up on the base. Old school UFO. Oh, yes, sir.
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I’m
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not young.
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Old school. It was a it was a it was a UFO. It was picked up on the base, and it was recorded by sensory data. It was picked up on camera. It had camera footage of it from different locations. What did it look like? It looked ai, it’s a weird shape. It was ai a unusual shape, and there’s people talking about it. It’s in the movie. And, The film is in the movie?
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The the film footage that leaked from the base is in the
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sai what it looks like flying off?
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Kind of. Yeah. It’s it’s ai of blurry in some spots and yeah. You’ll see it. So, it’s in the program. It’s in the program. Yeah. And then you hear all the voices. I actually had the voices cleaned up. You can hear people talking about what the hell is it?
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Is there a clip we could see online? Oh. Just ai I could show you what it looks ai? Damn. I’m sorry. Could you maybe just sai the actual name of the incident? Maybe Jamie could find it.
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Yeah. Try and find it. It’s, Nellist test range UFO 1994. See if you can find it.
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People put stuff up
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so long, and it’s really bad. Yeah. True. Good point.
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Because it’s on Amazon right now. People put clips up
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so fast. Yeah. It’s true. Yeah. There’s other things on there. So in any case, so that that that video
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There it is.
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That’s terrible. It’s there’s much better footage of it. Yeah. There’s much better footage of it. It’s in my movie. I had it cleaned up. But, yeah, that’s it, basically.
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Can I see it again? So that’s what it
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looked like? Wait. The footage I have is is way better than this. Yeah. Vatsal sometimes it’s so So
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what did it look Jesus Christ. You know what that looks like, Jamie?
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Very weird shape.
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Jamie, you know what that looks like? That looks like looks like Terrence Howard’s creation. Doesn’t it? It’s weird. What is it? What does he call that again? But it was those things that locked together? Those, you know, the flying drone thing that he created?
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Lynchpins?
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Lynchpins. Yeah. Terrence Howard created this, fascinating concept for, like a drone where the it’s ai propellers going all these different directions, and they they sync up and they link together, and, it looks like that.
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Yeah. So it’s, anyway, so it’s footage, people talking about it. What is it? We don’t know. It’s not it’s unidentified, and it flies around the bryden, and that leaked. And the names of the of the witnesses leaked. 3 days later
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Can you explain but Ai sorry to keep cutting you off, but can you just say what it did? Like, how it moved?
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It just it it was ai it was didn’t have any visible means propulsion. It didn’t have any wings. It didn’t have propellers. It just just looked like a like a object, a round sort of object, weird shape, almost like a helmet or something with things coming off of it. And it was just moving around the base, and they How fast? Nobody slow slowly at ai.
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Oh, there it is. Footage. Yep.
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That’s it.
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That’s exactly it. Yep. It’s definitely not a big balloon.
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And you hear no. You hear everybody talking about it. The audio that goes along with it, and I had it cleaned up is they’re all talking like nobody knows what it is. And
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So, this is Zoom. Is this why it’s moving around like that? They’re trying to keep it in focus and
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they’re moving on it? It’s all, mister Sands explains all of that in in the film, the ram. He talks about it. Sai, anyway, so this leaks people’s names, the witnesses speak, and, 3 days later, he’s in a convoy. Excuse me. Gesundheit. He’s in a convoy, and it’s early in the morning, and there’s 3 jeeps trucks, jeeps, in convoy on a dirt road heading out in Ellis’ test range.
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And they see what looks like maybe somebody was involved in a plane ram. There’s somebody that was struggling out in the middle of the desert. It was early in the morning. It was, you know, wintertime, and they’re looking at this individual ai, oh my god. Is that a per that person that that individual needs some help? That that individual looks like they need some help. They look cold.
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Their skin had a slight blue tint to it. And they’re looking at this gentleman, and they’re like, hey. Stop the convoy. This person needs help, medical attention. Maybe they had a plane crash, and so we’re gonna help this person out.
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And, they pull they they pull the convoy over, and this individual comes up individual comes up to the car. Jason Sands get us gets out the right side of the door. And as he’s getting out, somebody in the truck screams, he’s got no effing ears. And Jason says he turns around and he looks at this guy, and he had the same kind of uniform that they had had on, but the uniform was just immaculate.
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Like, there wasn’t any dust on it. No dust on the boots. And he was thinking to myself, well, that’s weird. This guy’s got no ears. Is this guy some kind of mutant? And he looks at him and he sai his eyes were a lot bigger. It’s all illustrated in the movie.
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And then he starts talking ai he said it was like a snake bite him, and he was just paralyzed with fear. He was it was really scary. What am I looking at? Is this a human? Is this a mutant? Is this an alien? What is this?
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And Ai started talking to him in gibberish, but he said he started to understand, like, telepathically everything this this person or an entity being creature alien, whatever you wanna call it, was saying to him, and he was looking for some kind of metal. And he didn’t know tantalium and I and and Jason’s hands, like, you know, I don’t know what I don’t have any you mean you mean, titanium? He’s like, no.
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Tantilium or something. And this conversation goes on for for a bit and then the guy just wanders back off and gets into that little craft that looked very similar to what you just saw there and flies away and he sort of sort of stair stepped away and everybody sort of came out of this comatose state and off and off they went.
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And, we have the names of the other military witnesses that were on duty during the encounter, the alleged encounter. People are gonna criticize me because I’m reporting on a close encounter of the 3rd ai. But this Jason Sana says he’s willing to do a a a, lie detector test ai public. He’s willing to testify under oath that everything he’s saying is true.
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We have a date. We have a location, and we have the names of the other pea on duty officers. So what I’m hoping is despite the level of criticism I’m gonna receive for reporting on this is that other individuals that have more information on this are gonna be inclined to come forward.
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I also met with people in the senate armed service committee, senate select committee on intelligence, sana that sorry, in the in the house. And they sai, Jason Sands is who he says he is. He checks out. He’s named previously classified or classified programs. He’s he’s identified. The guy’s legit.
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His his his credentials check out. And so I opted to go ahead and report on it with the hope that, more information will come out on it.
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Listen, man. It’s there’s nothing wrong with reporting on a story like that. There’s been a bunch of them. It’s not a small number of these things where people have experienced these things. And imagine if it’s true
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If it’s true.
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They’re not all liars. I can’t believe they’re all liars.
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Sai had to
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respond to that. Imagine being that person who had that experience and not have anybody believe you. Not only that, but it can actually ruin your reputation in your career to talk about this experience, which is the reality of it. And it’s one of the things that stifled discourse on this until Ai think the New York Times really broke the ice.
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I think in 2017 when they published that
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Yeah.
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All of a bryden, serious people who were unwilling to talk about UFOs before just for the ridicule. Yeah. Now you’ve you’ve got the Gimbal video, the Go Fast video. You’ve got fighter pilots, commander David Fravor. You’ve got these people discussing these things openly ai, like, okay. This seems like something that a serious person can discuss now.
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And so then it’s open. But, actually, meeting 1 and talking to it’s like the Virginia story. Like, when I I told people the the the cop picked it up and carried it in the car and the cop died
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Man handled it.
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Some horrible bacterial infection that they couldn’t cure.
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He was rubbing himself down with rubbing alcohol according to his family. Like, he was like, hey. This is greasy stuff on my skin. Hey. He was rubbing himself down, and he had to stench meh grease. Yeah. And then I I interviewed the doctors. There’s a couple of actually going back to Brazil next month.
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There were a couple of forensic pathologists that are willing to come forward that we’re gonna cover, kinda update the movie and re release photos. So it’s an ongoing investigation.
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Wouldn’t that be the best protection from an alien planet’s bacteria if you had the most vicious bacteria on the surface of your skin? Right? Like, imagine, like, if you go into another planet and the way to mitigate the effects of ai and bacteria on that planet is to have skin fluid that’s, like, unbelievably toxic.
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Anything that comes near you just gets cooked.
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Yeah. Like a skunk.
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Right.
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Have you have you ever had a skunk?
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Oh, yeah. I had a skunk out my dog once.
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I I check out this guy’s garbage one time, and he’s like, hey. I need to get out. It’s in my it’s in my garage. He flipped up the thing and dropped it in there. So I, like, I was, like, kinda hungover. I was at we had a party the night before, and I went out to the garbage can, and I kinda heard, like, some rustling in the garbage can, but I didn’t really think anything of it.
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And I, like, lifted up the thing, and then I heard some rustling again. So I reshare and I put my head down inside, and the skunk just turned and got me right in the face. Now I held my breath.
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My god.
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I held my breath, and I closed my eyes at the last second, and it went right through me. It penetrated my molecules. It was so powerful that it was paralyzing. Mhmm. Absolutely paralyzing. Can you imagine just a smell that’s that’s that’s their way of defense. It’s just this stench that just goes through your goes through your body, like, just paralyzes you.
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That’s crazy.
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It’s really anyway, it’s really
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You got it in the meh.
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I got it right in the face. Wow.
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How long did it take before you didn’t stink? Because you smoked all
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the while. No. It was
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it was ai, how long did that wait?
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It was several weeks. Yeah. And I tried the I tried the tomato, and I tried the baking soda, and I tried
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Ai think they have the special soap now Yeah. For just for skunks. But when my dog got zapped
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Oh, god. That’s funny.
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She got zapped in, like, ai. I think it was 1980 because I was living in Jamaica Plain. And she went out in the backyard and I think she thought that it was our cat because we had a cat that was black and ai. And she just ran right up to that skunk and it took her right right in the side of her body.
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Like, she tried to turn away, but it got her all over her body. She was wet with skunk spit.
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Oh, yeah. It’s it’s It
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was so nasty. I had to take her inside and I had to do it because she was my dog. You know, I was 13. I had to, like, cover her with tomato juice and wash her down, and she still stunk. The whole house stunk.
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It’s so funny because I was getting ready for a road trip this couple years ago, and, and I I looked over and I was like, did we did we walk Duke? It was like 9 o’clock at night. We’re exhausted. We packed everything up. We had the car ready to go for the next morning. It’s like, do we walk Duke?
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Did you walk Duke? Take Duke our dog. So he died. I was like, it’s 9 o’clock. I’ll just let him ai, and I hear him, like, ai then he goes, and I thought, oh my god. He just got eaten. Somebody just ate him.
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I was like, oh my gosh. I ran out to look for him, and he comes running in. He jumps in bed, covered in scotch. Oh, the whole house, like, it was so so strong. It’s unbelievable.
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That smell is just like
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And then it goes incredible. And the way someone explained this to me, you know, ai, animals, like bloodhounds and bears. So they have the insane sense
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of smell. God. Like, a 100,000 times stronger than ours. Right?
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But they can pick up parts per million the way we pick up skunk.
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Really? Oh ai god.
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Sana think about that. So if a skunk gets hit by a car, like, a mile away, you can smell it. Have you ever driven in your car?
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I don’t know if
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it’s a mile away.
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Sai could drive over it and then my car smells like it.
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Yeah. If you’re in the but if you’re in the neighborhood where a skunk got something, you could smell it. Yeah. For some strange reason, it permeates. It’s ai it carries more than any other smell. With dogs, that’s how they smell everything. They’re ai, oh, Ross goes home. You know, like, they can smell things that you can’t even imagine they could smell, especially ai a bloodhound.
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And then a bear can smell ai what is a bear’s, like, ability to smell above a bloodhound? It’s some something something crazy. My friend was,
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Sharks in the in the ocean can sense blood ram miles away. Right?
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Tyler. Miles. Incredible. Insane. Miles away. They could smell blood miles away.
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God, some I I remember
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look at this. 300 times look at this. This is crazy. How big. Bears are sent the best sense of smell of any animal on earth. For example, average dog’s sense of smell is 100 times better than a human’s. A bloodhound’s is 300 times better. A bear’s sense of smell is 7 times than a bloodhound’s or 2,100 times better than a human’s. Unbelievable.
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Ai they say when you go camping, put your food up in a tree or something.
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Oh, 100%. You have to. Yeah. You can’t have it
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in a tent at all.
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Oh, when I was a kid, we went camping, and the the bear broke open our cooler. Wow. Yeah. People just had regular coolers back there.
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Ai a little cookie in your pocket tent. You’re gonna have you’re gonna have an issue.
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Oh, a 100%. Yeah. Wow. A 100%.
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I remember when I was a kid, I went camping, and they were like, don’t have any food. I was like, yeah. Whatever. Ai, no. No. No. Put that stuff. They were really adamant. I was like, why are these guys making such a fox and bears not gonna smell a cookie in my pocket? Like, of course they will.
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They’ll they’ll look at that like a wanton. Like, look at that soft outer layer and there’s meat inside of it. They’re gonna look at that tent, like, look, it’s trapped
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in there. Meh my gosh.
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The meat is trapped in
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the tent.
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This is crazy.
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What was that one movie called where they got the the the grizzly man or something? Yeah.
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Grizzly man. That’s what
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I thought. Came and got him. Who were they?
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Well, he
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thought he became one with the grizzlies and then he got eaten?
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That’s a very complicated movie. That’s a Werner Herzog film.
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Yeah. Werner Herzog.
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Yes. It’s a really
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funny movie. Camera was rolling. Mhmm. And they played it.
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Sort of. The camera was rolling, but all the lens cap was on, so there was an audio.
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So it’s just audio.
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Yeah. That’s even worse. The audio, by the way, folks, the audio you hear on the Internet, that’s fake.
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Oh, it is.
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That’s not the real one. The real audio Werner Herzloff told the lady to destroy it. Destroy it. No one should hear this.
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So he heard it?
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Yeah. He heard it. It’s long, you know, because bears don’t kill you. They eat you. You know, like a saloni, they don’t kill salmon. They just put their paw down and start pulling chunks off of it. That’s what they do with people too. That’s terrifying.
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Is it well,
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they don’t have any predators. So, they don’t have to kill things and then, you know, worry about someone taking it from them. You’re
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not taking shit from a bear. Terrifying.
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Especially grizzly bear. You’re not taking shit from a bear unless you’re you’re a bigger bear. So, like, all the other animals have to worry. Like, mountain lions kill quick because wolves will steal from mountain lions. And, apparently, in the areas where wolves have been introduced, it’s actually become a problem because mountain lions are killing much more than they normally do.
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Because mountain lions will kill, like, a deer or 2 deer a week, something like that.
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And eat really, they
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eat 2 deer
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a week. That’s a lot of meat. Well, they’re big.
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You know, a big mountain ai is, you know, £150. And they’re they’re it’s a big cat. Their cats are just they’re obligate predators. All they eat is meat. You know, bears sai a little berries. They’ll eat a bunch of shit, not cats. So the cats are, killing more because the wolves scare the cats off of the kill.
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So if the vatsal on a kill and a bunch of wolves show up, the cat will just get the fuck out of there,
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like, fuck this. Because he feels meh didn’t wanna have to
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defend himself against the wolves? Exactly. Because wolves
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hunt
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in packs. Oh. So there might be 13, 14 wolves and one cat. The cat will just get the fuck out of there. Cats run from dogs. Right? Like, they have a fear of, like, canines and I think it’s from wolves stealing their food. So, like, that’s how they hunt cats. The way they hunt them, you have to tree them because ai you’re not gonna find if you find a mountain lion
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Where do you by tree them?
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You have to get the the dogs to bark them up a tree. Oh. So they run up a tree and then they shoot them when they’re in a tree. Yeah. And they it sounds cruel. But listen, they have to do that to manage the populations. If they don’t, they start eating dogs. They start that’s what you get in San Francisco. California still kills mountain lions.
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They’ll they kill as many mountain lions as they would if they gave tags out to people to kill them because you have to kill certain numbers of them for depredation because they’ll start killing ai, they’ll start killing dogs. In the Bay Arya, they the the problem cats that they wind up killing in, like, San Francisco
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and other,
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half their diet was pets. Really? Half their diet. Half their diet was house cats.
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People’s house people’s kids.
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Dogs and cats. That’s half their diet. Half of their diet. So you manage, you know, a 100 plus pound vatsal he’s running around just eating dogs. You leave your dog in your backyard, gone. Happens all the time. Wow. It happened to my dog. Really? Yeah. My dog in Colorado got eaten by a mountain lion.
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It happens.
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Oh. Oh, god. I feel so bad for my little guy. I do. Terrible. I’m not there to protect my little feller. You know, one time I was I was hiking up this mountain, and I had my son with me at the time, and he was in that little pouch. You know, that little pouch you put him in the front? Like, he was, like, probably, like, maybe 2, 2a half. And I was hiking this mountain pretty daily.
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It’s funny actually because when I went up there without him, I was like, well, this is why people hike with weights on. This feels amazing. I could run up this mountain. Anyway, I was going to the mountain, and I had my dog, my little little duke, and I had my my son walking up this mountain.
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And, I come around this, like, good left hand. It’s a it’s a pretty exposed, not too many trees, some bushes, and it’s a hot sunny day. And I see this leg of a deer, like, just fresh kill with blood in the ground. I was like, goddamn. What the hell’s what the hell looked, wow.
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That’s fresh. I was like, I kinda keep going and come on the corner, and there’s a long straightaway. The hill goes up like this, and I see what looks like a big, like, greyhound dog kinda like brown light brown, kinda walking ai back and forth like this with a tail. And I was like, man, who the hell is greyhound is doing out here? Like, what the hell is that’s a mountain lion. I was like, holy shit.
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And the mountain lion turns around, looked at me, and I had my kid. I was like, shah. I so I grabbed my dog, and I turned around, and I started running. And I knew that I shouldn’t be running. Sai I’m running going, I shouldn’t be running.
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I shouldn’t be running. I know I should be running, but, yeah, I wanted to get around the corner and get it out of its light sign of ai line of sight. And then I go I go, well, if he comes up on me, I’m gonna have to throw my dog. I was like, I looked
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at Duke
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and I because if it if it comes down to it, Duke, you’re gonna have to take one for the team. Oh my god.
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I ai horrible choice.
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It’s a horrible choice, but I had my son. Like, of course. I get it. But I remember looking
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at my dog too.
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And I was, like, looking at my dog going, oh, man. This is a horrible decision I have to make. But if it comes down to it, I’m gonna have to sacrifice you, buddy. I love you. You know, but it didn’t come down to it. But I remember running going, you’re an idiot, James. Why are you running? You’re not supposed to be running.
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You can’t run. Well, that’s the problem with mountain bikers. They get got because when they pass by a cat, it’s almost like rolling a ball of yarn past a kitten. They’re predators.
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And they will they’ll catch ai.
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Oh, yeah. They get people on bikes. Yeah. That’s happened a few times. They get people on bikes. They get joggers, people on bikes. They think you’re running away from them.
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Could you imagine what it’s like to to be running for your ai? Having something like that chase you?
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Yeah. I can. I mean, it hasn’t happened to me, but I’ve seen them.
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Sai would I’ve
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seen 3 of them in my lifetime. Only one of them that scared the shit out of me. I saw one in Colorado. I saw one in, Montecito, ai, Sana Barbara area. It was small. Those are small ones. They were like ai, £60. And then Ai saw one with a buddy of mine, my friend Colton and I. We spotted one under a tree that was 30 yards away.
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We were in a truck and it made me shit my pants. Wow. It was so big. This one was really big. This was a mature male with a big pumpkin head and huge forearms ai a fucking bodybuilder. It was freaky.
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It was freaky to see because, you know, it was first of all, it was dusk. So the the sun was going down and the lights of the truck, even though it wasn’t quite dark yet, the lights of the truck were making his eyes glow.
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Oh my god.
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And you can see him with the naked eye, but then I put my binoculars on. And so I’ve got these 10 power binoculars, and I’m zoomed in on this thing’s face. I’m like, holy
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Looks like he belongs in Africa.
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Well, he belonged right where he was, man. We didn’t belong there.
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Hey. Let me tell you a really cool story that’s a UFO, the best UFO picture I think has ever taken. Do you
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have it? Should I look at it or you gonna tease me?
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No. No. No. We’re we’re sana look for it. Okay. So can can you find the program trailer on on here at all? Or Yeah. For sure. Alright. Find the program trailer. I’m gonna tell you about this.
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Is this the trailer? Yeah. Just Let’s just watch the trailer. Alright. Let’s watch it, Blaine. Story.
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Exposing a secret government program investigating UFOs.
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That story was kind of a catalyst for a lot of things that have happened since. Members of congress started to ask questions.
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Instruments report there is something there.
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There are flight characteristics that we can’t explain. UAPs are unexplained. It’s true. They need to be investigated.
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Here we are having a hearing where just a few years ago, we didn’t even acknowledge that these things were real.
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Do you believe that
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our government is in possession of UAPs? Absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years.
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You’re telling me people have come forward claiming firsthand knowledge of craft of nonhuman origin. That’s correct. We have sources who have asserted not only that there have been crashes, but there have been crash retrievals.
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Do we have the bodies of the pilots
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who piloted this craft? Biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah.
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Were they human or nonhuman? Nonhuman.
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I’m sitting here today because the American people are being lied to. We are the American government, and we are open, and we’re gonna be open about this. What has been revealed, nonhuman intelligence exists, nonhuman intelligence has been interacting with humanity. It’s only part of the story.
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The pressure’s on. Pentagon, the CIA arya gonna have to answer the mail.
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Some are risking everything.
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Have you had incidences that have caused you to be in fear for your life?
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Meh. Personally. To uncover
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the rest. What is being done to verify the assertion that the US government has spaceships of nonhuman intelligence in their possession?
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That kind of revelation unearths people’s beliefs. I would go to jail to say things that I’ve been I would go to
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jail to say things that I’ve been exposed to in
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the program. Bro, was that Mick Jagger? Sai that other guy Mick Jagger?
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Isn’t he amazing? That’s Hal put off.
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Hal put off? Oh, yeah. Ai know. Mick Jagger.
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Doesn’t look like Mick Jagger?
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That’s not Mick Jagger?
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That’s Gary McKinnon. He’s the biggest computer hacker in history.
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Let me
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see what he looks like. He almost went to jail for life because he was like, I’m gonna find out what the government knows about UFOs. So he hacked into the systems, NSA, CIA, DIA, like, where is he? Yeah. The oh, you wanna see that really cool picture?
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The no. In the the film Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. You gotta go towards the end. Yeah. You know, he totally looks like we get. That’s really funny you should say that because I totally thought it was meh job. I saw it, and I’m like, wait a minute. That does look like a rock star. He is a rock star in the UFO community. It’s coming up.
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You’ll have to you’ll have to pause it quickly when it when it hits. But Gary McKinnon took it upon himself, a computer hacker, to find out if the government had proof of alien visitation. And he spent a couple years hacking systems, and he found and he got pay dirt.
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That is that was it. Bro, that’s that’s Mick Jagger. That doesn’t make sure.
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Ai big it does look like Mick Jagger.
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Mick Jagger’s in the UFOs. You should just, like, only show that clip, you know, like they do in horror movies where the mask is not that good.
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It’s real quick. Yeah. But so well, I was gonna tell you, there’s a photograph of a jet circulating. Can Ai can I go into a little bit of detail? Because everyone’s always worried about, like, where’s the good evidence? Where’s the good photograph? Show me real. Photograph again. So it’s, yeah. There we go.
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But this was a lost photograph that was recovered.
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Correct? Yeah. You know about this?
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Yeah. I know about this.
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Okay. So I heard about this in the late nineties.
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Tell everybody about it.
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Okay. So there was a guy, Nick Pope, who investigated who’s part of the UFO desk at the Ministry of Defense of England in the late ai, mid to late nineties. Maybe in his late as early 2000. But in any case and I was in I was interviewing him for a number of my films. I did a film called out of the blue. I know what I saw, before I did the phenomenon. And I, I asked him, like, hey, man.
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You were part of the UFO desk at the Meh. What was the best case you ever saw? And he goes, oh, man. ai. He didn’t give me this the the town. It was Calvine, but he said Scotland. There were 2 poachers. They called them hikers, but they were actually poaching.
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And so it ram me think about this when we talk about animals earlier. And he said, it was it was late in the afternoon. They were in a place. I now know it’s called Calvine, and, they came upon, in this relatively remote area. I know because I hiked out to the exact speak, and it’s in the movie.
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But and they came upon this diamond shaped or disk shaped object that was quite large that was hovering silently really close. I mean, close. And they were scared to death, and they were ai, hiding out underneath this tree. And they’re looking at this thing, what the are we looking at?
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And ai looking at this thing as it’s silently hovering. Meh, this is 1990. Okay? And one of them had a camera. And just as he was considering taking his camera out, a military jet came in. Turns out it was one of those, Harrier meh.
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They think it was a Harrier meh. And it came out into the scene and it flew all the way around the disc. And as it did so, the guy mustered up the courage, came out from under the tree, and he snapped 5 or 6 photographs of this object suspended in the air. And it went so the disc is here, and the plane is flying around as click click click click click click.
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And the reason why I know this is because the individual who kept one of the prints thank you very meh, Craig Lindsey, RAF press officer. And thank you, David Clark, for uncovering this because it’s the most amazing picture ever. And the 2 hotel workers in just outside the town of Calvine, Scotland came back, and they were, like, telling their coworkers, oh my god. We encountered this thing.
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We don’t know what it was. So they go to the local newspaper and they were ai, hey, man. We just filmed something in the sky. We got 6 prints of it. They it was I was it was 35 millimeter film footage. Right? And, and they’re gonna go public with their story.
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Two witnesses, broad daylight, a a Ai, points of reference with a military jet flying around, 5 or 6 prints. That’s pretty solid evidence. Right? So, the local newspaper was ai, they’re about to go public with it, print print the story, and they were like, well, we need a statement from the RAF.
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So they contact the press officer, Craig Lindsey, and they were like, hey. What do you make of this UFO these guys took? And the guy Craig Lindsey goes, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I I haven’t seen the picture. You haven’t seen it? Well, let me send you a print.
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This is the new the newspaper. Sends him a print, big big print like this. It was the one you see today. And, he’s like, holy shit. The hell is this?
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He’s already a press officer, Craig Lindsey, and he’s a good so he starts getting in touch with the MOD and he goes out and he investigate this. Go talk to the witness. Talk to the witnesses and they were telling him. And he goes, well, they told him what happened. And he goes, well, what kind of noise did it make? And they sai it didn’t make any noise. No. He goes, no noise. That’s impossible.
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You know, an object that can hover like that in the sky for that period of time is we’re talking 34 years ago. It didn’t make any noise. And, the the witness said no. So he was like, holy shit. This is crazy.
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So he takes a color Xeroxing machine, and he sends it to the MOD in Bryden, and he says, hey. There’s a case that you might wanna check you know, you might wanna look into. And here’s a Xerox, which is really crappy. It’s just a it’s just a scanned Xerox, like a fax machine over to MOD.
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He said he went from the office where the Xerox machine was, and before he can get back to his office, his phone’s ringing off the hook, MOD. And the MOD basically stepped in, took over the the investigation. They said you can step down to Craig Lindsey. He steps down. He keeps the print. Right?
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He steps down. They take over. Witnesses gone. 5 or 6 prints gone. Story killed. Right?
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So 30 oh, and we’d rumored about it because Nick Pope had talked about this case in a book he wrote called, Bryden Skies, Closed Minds. And and then I talked to him about it in ai late nineties, then I talked to him about it again in the early 2000. And I was like, Nick, especially in 2007, I was like, tell me about this photograph. Ai like, oh, it was incredible.
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We had a big poster of it on the wall, the MOD and then I ai like, well, where is it? He goes, well, I don’t know. I I stepped down. I’m no longer at the at the UFO desk, and I said, well, they didn’t just throw that away. Once you get in touch with the people that were there and find out, he’s like, you know, James, I can’t just make those inquiries.
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They we we killed the story. It was ai, you know, so I was incredibly frustrated. So so discreetly for over a 20 year period, I was making inquiries because I don’t like letting things go. Right? It was like this picture exists, and bloody hell, let’s get this one out there. But the story went dark.
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So David Clark found Craig Lindsey, and the way he found Craig Lindsey, the guy that kept one of the prints, is that he got a he got a a a declassified government document out of the MOD’s office that had redactions on it. And one of the things it said was ai it was 1990, and they said, RAF press officer in Scotland blacked out, you know, said that blah blah blah blah blah.
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And he’s like, Who was the RAF press officer in ai in Scotland? Craig Lindsey. Boom. Contacts Craig Lindsey. They started communication going.
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And then after, like
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So much for redaction.
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Yeah. So much for redactions. Right? And so this whole dialogue starts going, and there’s, you know, developing a and and then, he goes, well, gosh. I I might I guess I might have one. It turns out he’d he’d ended up keeping one of those prints which he had. And that story broke probably 2 years ago. David Clark, again, I can’t thank you enough. You deserve accolades for this. And so I flew to England.
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I met with David Clark and his crew, the people that did the analysis work. Then I went up to Scotland. I met with Craig Lindsey, the art press officer, gave me the first and only on camera interview about it. What astonished him about it, the analysis work they did on it, what the witnesses said, but we didn’t have the witnesses. The people that took the photograph.
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We didn’t have them, but I was gonna report on this anyway just because, wow, this is the picture that we’ve all been waiting for. This picture is phenomenal. But if you don’t have provenance and you don’t have the background story on it, it could be AI. It could be ai. Could be a hoax.
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Some people call it a reflection. Not a reflection. Not a hoax. So I’m ending production of the ram, and I get a text from David Clark, and he goes something big’s about to happen. And I said, what?
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He goes, just sit tight. I can’t go public right now, but something big’s gonna happen. There’s there’s a new development. And this is just teases. Well, I’m coming out with that. I promise But he teased you. He did tease me.
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He did tease me, but I was like, well, I’m almost done with the movie. And if this is something I conclude in the movie about the case, please let me know. So long story short, this guy Richard Greaves, who was one of the hotel cooks, worked in the kitchen with the photographers, with the two witnesses that took the photograph.
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And Richard Greaves, came forward on print. When I contacted David Clark, I was like, hey, can this can I can you get me an interview with this guy? So, he kept putting it off, putting it off, putting it off. And then finally, I was ai, I didn’t sana be I wanted to be persistent, but I didn’t wanna annoy the guy to the point where he’s gonna like, hey.
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You know what? Fuck you. Like Right. You’re do you you’re being annoying. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But I I got it right up to that point. Right?
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Where I was like, I was wrapping the movie. The movie’s done, and I wanna get this movie out because all the people that participated wanted it out. And then I finally sana him one final text, and I was like, look. I’m really sorry to pester you, and I know you’re probably really busy.
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And I really appreciate the fact that you even said that you’ll meet with me, but that you’ll give me an interview. And then probably about 10 o’clock that night, I’m in the edit room buttoning the film up, and all of a sudden, I get a phone call, and he’s like, Ai just come out the pub.
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I’m ready to go. I was like, okay. Grab a camera. Roll it. Let’s record this. And he reveals that he knew the the witnesses.
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He worked with them in the kitchen. He gave all the specifics. He provided their names, and then he said that 2 or 3 nights after 2 or 3 nights, 4 nights after they took that photograph, they were all on a cigarette break at the hotel early evening, pissing rain. He said a car rolled up. There were 3 guys in it, a driver and 2 men in suits in the back. They roll up. They come out.
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They say cigarette breaks over. They pull the 2 witnesses aside, and they grill him. And you gotta hear it directly from the horseman. Richard Greaves said that when they were all the people that were not involved with the incident were told to go back inside the hotel, which they did, but they looked through the window and they saw in the pissing rain.
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He said they’re out there for 10 or 15 minutes in the pissing rain, and that these guys, they came back ai, and they were white as a he’s a he’s he he literally goes, they, they came back inside. They were white as a fucking ghost, and, which we all get a good laugh out of, but, and then they started drinking heavily.
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And within a couple of weeks, they vanished without a trace, and they’ve been gone ever since. So we report on this. And, yeah, that’s a that’s a that’s a replica. Ai was like, it’s way too clear. I was like, is this That that’s a replica from, Nick Pope that he did it for some series talking about it, and that was before the real photograph was found in print.
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Let’s see the real photograph. Yeah.
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Show the real photograph again. I got it in
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there it is. Yep. Okay. So what was he doing? Show the fake one one more time.
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Yeah. That’s what it’s a recreation
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before it
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leaked out.
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So was he just recreating what he remembered? Yes. Let me see the real one again.
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It’s pretty damn good, isn’t it? That he remembered shah.
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Not bad.
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Not bad.
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Missed the barbed wire fence, but not meh. That put in a bunch of bullshit background. I went
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to the exact location that
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Well, bullshit he put in there. Put in beautiful hills.
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I know. And and that fence is still there. There was a
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A back throwing?
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Yeah. That fence is still there. I took an actual I took a model.
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Is that jet in the background?
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Harrier jet a Harrier meh is what I’m told. They’re 99% sure.
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And was that Harrier meh trying to figure out what this was?
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Well, it like I said, in the other prints according to to, Craig Lindsey, the RAF press officer, he said the other 6 prints or 5 prints had that Harrier jet in a different position. So he said it was if The Harrier jet flew around checking that out.
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Now Where are those other prints?
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We have other MOD just ever gone. They they killed the story. I mean, the guy at the MOD who worked there, Nick Pope, told me that they they did everything they could to squash it because
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Don’t you think they probably have it filed away somewhere?
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Oh, of course they do. Of course they didn’t throw those pictures away. They they still don’t know.
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On this, Jamie, please?
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Yeah. It’s a really crap copy. You’re looking at a really bad print, guys. Can you zoom it in? I’ve got a much better again?
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That’s as
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much as I get.
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I’ve got a much better version of it on my phone.
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You got it on your phone?
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Yeah. I do.
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Yeah. Text it to a homie. This, this image is, it’s weird. Yeah. It’s a it’s It’s, it’s hard to see what you’re looking at. You know? It’s, yeah. Well, let
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me show you a much better copy of it. Hang on. Let me just scroll up here because I’ve got a really good I got the original print, of this copy, but, you know, people talk about, you know, the more compelling data and the lengths. So this is this is the photograph that I took at the site. You can get an idea of that.
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Okay.
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See how That’s what it looks like. Right? How similar. Right?
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Exactly the same.
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Yep. And then here is here’s the here’s the print. And I could take a I could text that to you guys if you want.
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Yeah. Text that to me. I’ll text it to you.
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I’ll text it to you guys. Ai them.
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Send both of them. This is it’s very interesting.
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Very interesting case. I mean, it’s again, I think it’s one of the best photographic cases because you’re not dealing with just a UFO. You’ve You’ve got a military jet in the background. And if you have a date and a location, guess what? That pilot’s still out there. That pilot can probably got it on radar and probably got gun cam for
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the show. Still alive.
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If well, he would have been probably young. Right? Pilots are young. Sure. He would have been in his thirties ram maybe early forties, and that was 34 years ago. Right. So chances are he’s still alive. They’re pretty fit. Right?
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Yeah. Maybe he’s in the seventies.
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Okay. I’m gonna I’m gonna text this to you right now. Rogan. Here we go. Boom. You should have that. Did I get you all? Did I get all of them to you? And here is a picture of Craig Lindsey. This is great. You’re gonna love this. Okay.
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This is this is the guy that kept it.
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I didn’t get it yet. You didn’t? No.
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I wonder if it’s because I have my phone on airplane mode.
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Yeah. Take it off airplane mode, bro. I told
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you to do that. Okay. Oh, you did? I was
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trying to explain to you
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what the fuck is. Okay. It’s off now. I’m sorry.
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Otherwise, it won’t actually send it.
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Oh, it won’t. Okay. Alright. Here we go. Here we go. Alright.
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It’s like dealing
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with my dad. I know. I’m so bad. I know. You were telling me how to do it. I was like, I haven’t done that before.
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It’s funny. People that don’t understand how to use their phone.
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Tell me if that goes through.
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K. I’m waiting on it still. K.
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Great, great show.
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Need me to send it?
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Here. You do it. Yeah. There’s that one, and there’s flip left to right on it. But, you know, it just goes to show the lengths that the intel community, the ministry of defense, the DOD go to hide the more compelling photographic data because it’s so easy to complain. Like, oh, well, if they were real, there would be good well, there are some really good prints.
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You got Joe Exotic in your phone.
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I my god. Wow.
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But you
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guys arya looking at other stuff. Yes. I found drones that
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you can I
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don’t know that they’re commercially available?
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Did you
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get all the ones you wanted?
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But you can have a drone up for 24 plus hours.
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Send it to me either.
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Are you serious?
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Yeah. Sai weird.
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Am I sending it to the wrong telephone number?
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Let me sai. Your numb sana number you have. You might have my old
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Well, I have it I definitely have it on signal. Here, you do it. Here, fuck it. You take over. You drive. Let me see. Because I’m clearly failing at this one.
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I’m just gonna check to see what what I sent it to because I changed I changed my number because people people get weird.
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Oh, I could totally imagine that would be the case.
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Separate. I found some drones that these these companies say that you could take off anywhere. They’re showing them taking off from, like, small platforms in the ocean. They can stay up in the air for 14 plus hours. They’re small, and they do have propellers. I will say that.
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But
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Yeah. And like I said, I mean, you know, it’s not the question isn’t are are all these drones, you know, explainable by aliens? And the question of the answer obviously is no. The question is, are any of these sana fide UAP? And there’s definitely some evidence to suggest that’s the case.
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But, again, there’s always misidentification of more conventional stuff. Right? Right. And there’s always, and then there’s a stubborn core percent. Like, I’ll give you an example.
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This is something that I’ve discussed a little bit recently. Did you find it okay?
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Yes.
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Okay. Good. Finally, we got that that enigma worked out.
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Yeah. It’s just your ai g is very slow.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. You’ve been using AT and T.
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What do you Ai, I’m using Verizon.
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Ai. Sai
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use Verizon too. Really?
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Yeah. It’s just real slow.
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Maybe do I have do I have a what you call it on?
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Actually, I accidentally sent myself these other ones of the guy holding it up too.
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Oh, cool. Yeah. That’s cool. That’s that’s Craig Lindsey.
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So, I’ll send this to you, Jamie.
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So let me tell you a little, a little story. It’s pretty cool, which I never thought that, this would happen. I, there’s a guy, Kirk McConnell, who sent an armed service committee, and he participated the very last minute in my in my film. He’s in the trailer. And he, in an official capacity with a high level clearance, he had been investigating UFOs ever since the New York Times article in 2017.
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So he was behind the scenes 2017, 2018, the tail end of 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 22, 23, 24, and then he stepped down. And he came, through some intel folks. We got in touch, and I said, hey, man. My film’s almost done. If you want, I could squeeze in one final interview.
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He decided to participate. Up he went. We became friends. We’ve been talking, and he said, hey. I could probably arrange a meeting because there’s some mutual interest in some UFO cases and evidence that I’ve been going after as a civilian. But he goes, hey.
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On the inside, if you want, I can cook you up with the with the heads of ARROW, the new heads of ARROW, John Kosklowski and this other guy, Ryan. He was, Air Force Office Speak Investigations. This is just a couple weeks ago. So I went to the congressional hearings, which was incredible, and people say, oh, it’s a big nothing burger. But you know what?
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It was very exciting seeing people testify under oath that there’s a there’s a crash procedural program, seen an arrear admiral, Tim Gallaudet saying that they’re under the water. I mean, it’s pretty fascinating stuff. Yeah. So, I had to I had to apply for a sai security background on me, which is about 48 hours, and then I got approval for that.
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And then I showed up in a wing across the street from the Pentagon, and I had to go through the metal detector. And then there are these kind of exciting for me because I had never had this kind of experience before where there were these, like, glass tube type things that were lined up, like, in a row.
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And I only 1 person go in at a time. The doors open just like in Shah Ram, and you walk in and that door closes. Then Sai ai open as you go to the other side. Then I had to get rid of my phone and everything and leave it ai, and then I go into a SCIF, which is a sensitive compartmented, information facility.
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It’s SCIF’s all super top secret, whatever. And, and I got to meet with the new head of Aero, John Kozlowski. Ai was like, I can’t believe I’m in the belly of the beast. This is crazy. Like, I’m how how could Ai? I’m a civilian.
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I don’t I don’t belong here. But we started talking. They’re just very nonchalant. You know? I said, hey. You guys gotta throw us a bone.
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I said, you know, we’re not going away. This story is not going away. And I said, you know, and you know what we’re ultimately dealing with. I mean, obviously, the vast majority of UAP or UFOs can be and have been explained away in down to earth conventional terms. Right?
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But there’s a stubborn core 15, 20% that really defy conventional explanation, not because of a lack of data, because it truly can explain what these things do. And you know well, you’ve had many people on. These objects exhibited technology that’s just light years advanced from anything that we have.
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I mean, this is, and it’s been well documented since the 19 forties sana possibly some people would say way before that. But modern day UFO wave, no question. So there’s 2, you know, 2 stories. 1 is someone’s been in possession of this revolutionary technology for 85 plus years and kept it secret, or 2, we’re not alone.
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Right?
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Right.
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NHI. So I said I said to the gentleman, very candidly, you know, we’re probably dealing with a small percentage of of NHI. What’s the plan to tell the general public? And this is just a couple weeks ago. And he looked at me and he goes, James, I can’t part my hair without approval from the DOD, and you can quote me on that.
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And that was him, in my opinion, telling me, hey. This is structured in a way that’s that Ai my hands are tied. I can I can uncover all the things in the world, but I can’t tell the general public or even congress without the DOD approving it first? Yeah. So that’s what’s kind of happening right now.
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And one of the reasons why we were so fortunate to get the number of of, I say, whistleblowers or potential whistleblowers or people to come forward in the program is because they were super frustrated with the previous head of head of era, which is a guy named Sean Kirkpatrick, which basically just kinda blanket, you know, denied pretty much almost almost everything, and people were extremely disappointed with that.
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But Just
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like Ai Book?
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Yeah. Kinda like Blue Book. Yeah.
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They’ve always done that. Right? Yeah. But But Yeah. Again, it brings
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us back. Everybody’s doing it. Not everybody’s doing
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it. There’s a bunch of well, I think now also with the Internet, there’s there’s ways to get information out that’s much quicker and cleaner
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No question.
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Than trusting a reporter
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Yeah.
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You know, and then your life’s in danger,
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and the
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reporter gets threatened. And Yeah. Yeah. Now things just kinda get out.
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So so well, Ai thought about this. Like, you know, I’m going back to Brazil and I thought, you know, I’m obviously going after, you know, like, additional eyewitness testimony. I’m going after the photographic stuff. And those of you out there that are, like, tired of hearing about it, well, I spent 20 plus years in search of the photograph that I featured just now, that one with the background story on it, provenance, that sort of thing.
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Jamie, go look at the one that I sent you. It’s a better version
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of it. Yeah. And and so I sai I I just because you’ve you know, you you can’t, after a year or 2, haven’t successfully obtained stuff.
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So this is a better version.
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It’s a better version that you could see the granular of the film footage.
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Weird. It’s almost looks like there’s something in the back.
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It does look a little bit like that.
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Propeller or something ai a Jetsons tyler.
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But but let’s just say
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Nothing was ai, supposedly?
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Silent. According to the witnesses, it didn’t make any sound. However, there for an extended period of ai. When it took off, it took off straight vertical like this. Straight up. Fast? It started going fast, faster, faster, faster, and it was gone. Yep. That was that was Craig Lindsay who interviewed the witnesses who told me that.
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And it’s so weird, though. According to Richard Grieves in Scotland, the Americans got involved.
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Of course. We get involved in everything.
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Yep. They showed up, and they intimidated the shit out of the witnesses. And I I know people can criticize me for reporting on these alleged men in black, but it’s not me saying it. It’s the witnesses that are saying it. And I did it full bore for the first time full bore for the first time in moment of contact because I remember hearing these stories for decades, and I finally was like, everyone’s gonna think I’m crazy if I report on this.
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But this lady who was the mother of the 2 daughters that saw that had these visits and the intimidation, and I was like, screw it. I’m just gonna report on this, and I’ll just take the criticism. You know? And then I wasn’t expecting this for the to be the case with this photograph, but it lo and behold, it was. But, anyway, it’s it’s a huge story.
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In in my opinion, they can’t put the genie back in the bottle. It’s coming out, and it’s drip, drip, drip. But I have to remind your audience, people that are feeling impatient, that we’ve had 3 open congressional hearings in the last 3 years.
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Yeah. It’s
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We hadn’t had any in over 50 years prior to that.
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It’s definitely even though it’s still difficult to get information and figure out what’s actually going on, there’s way more open mainstream discussion of it.
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And and it’s and it’s frustrating at times. I get it. You know, people are like, oh, well, why all these people why can’t they just say why can’t David Grush just tell us? You know? Well, I sana remind people that the DOD has stripped David Grush of his clearances and won’t allow him to get into a skiff.
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This is one of the things that I I talked to this guy, Brian Benner, who appears in the movie at Politico, and he goes he goes, if congress finds out about it, one thing we know in the Hill is that you’re gonna find out about it. They they can’t keep a secret. It’s gonna leak.
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So they’ve been doing everything they can, Ai imagine, as a DOD, to prevent Grush from going into a sai with members of congress to release and reveal the classified details necessary to verify his claims? Okay? If you’ve
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been keeping this under wraps for 60 plus years or whatever they’ve been doing Yeah. Would you really tell AOC? Would you really pull her aside and tell her?
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Well, I mean, any members of Congress with the proper clearances and feel like they wanna have that information, I mean, you got
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Not nothing wrong with her.
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I’m not in the center.
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I’m just saying that’s speak a young one.
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Well, you You’re
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gonna give them all that information?
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Are you they’re they’re exactly they don’t want them to have that information. There’s no question about it. I mean Ai
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would that that’s what I would imagine. It’s probably why they won’t let Grush get into a sai.
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So here’s another thing I’d like to mention is that David Grush claims that he gave even the street address to the ICIG, which is Thomas Monheim. That’s the intelligence community inspector general. So I’m asking members of congress to support all efforts, you know, per per Chet, who’s been amazing regardless of what your politics, the guy’s phenomenon.
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He’s been really pushing for transparency. Super solid guy. You got Mace. You got Musk, Musk, Musk, Musk, what’s his, from from Florida, Garcia from California, AOC, New York, Sana, and, then, of course, you got the senate side. You got Rubio, who totally knows where this stuff is, rounds, Schumer. And if you look at the NDAA, you can see the language in plain sight.
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I mean, it’s it’s it’s phenomenal what’s going on, and I and I I think that our elected officials that are really pushing for transparency need to hear from us, need to hear from the citizens and know that we support their efforts and that we have their backs and and continuing to to push for transparency, to push to find out what the hell is going on.
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I mean, imagine if it’s true. Imagine if we have spaceships and we have biologics bodies. K? Mhmm. That is not just implications for the United States. That’s global implications.
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I mean, the impacts, the ripple effect that would have around the world for that confirmation to happen.
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No doubt. It would be huge. Well, the human race deserves to know. It it shouldn’t be, unelected officials and defense department people that know about this stuff. That’s crazy.
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I totally agree.
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Unless unless this is what I I had a conversation with Ryan Graves yesterday. The way I would argue it, if I was a military person, I would say this is a national security interest. And we are trying to back engineer this stuff. We’re not successful. If China steals our data, if Russia can back engineer 1 before if Iran gets one before us, we’re fucked because these things are insanely sophisticated.
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We would obviously weaponize the technology. That’s obvious. Of course. Yeah. Duh. It’s ai 101. Right? Why would we not? The basics. I mean, if you could put a nuke on one of those things, I mean, the exhibited technology that people sai people that have witnessed this stuff say it goes from a standstill to out of sight in the blink of an eye.
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I mean, these objects what was it? David Fravor sai it it went from space
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50,000 feet above sea level To sea level. In one second.
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In one second. Yeah. That’s insane. We talked
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about it yesterday. Like, it’s
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Oh, you did?
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Yeah. Insane amount of speed. And, the way Ryan explained it in terms of, like, the amount of force you would need is equivalent to how many nuclear bombs did he say? Something insane. Like, the entire nuclear arsenal has to be to to generate that kind of power. Whatever it is, it’s if if these stories are true, it’s doing something that we don’t understand.
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So if it’s ours, I kinda get why they wouldn’t sana spill the beans. My thought once was what if this is not weaponizable with our current technology? Like, what if these are these things are our drones, but they don’t know how to put a weapon on it meh? Like, because whatever you do
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I I have a problem
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with that. Speak.
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I have a problem with that theory. And the problem I have is that the United States government has documented close encounters of a third kind. That’s a beans connected.
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Right.
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That’s their own files. Right? That’s not me saying it.
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Right.
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So it’s not just these objects exhibiting revolutionary technology for at least 80 years. Mhmm. Right? No wings, no tail, no visible means of propulsion, the ability to hover, accelerate Mhmm. Out of sight of blink of an eye, riding of turns at high speed, no wake, no sonic boom. Yep. That kind of stuff.
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But you also have reports credible reports of beans connected to some of the ram. Mhmm. And that’s documented all around the world. So that eliminates right?
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If it’s true. Sai it was just the whole thing, like, just because something’s written down somewhere doesn’t mean that someone didn’t write it down as a ai, sudden dump someone did write it down to discredit other people with a ridiculous story. One way to discredit a credible story is to attach it to a bunch of ridiculous stories. Right?
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So if I was gonna hide some sort of technology, one thing I would do is connect it to a bunch of kooky stuff, a bunch of psychic stuff and remote viewing, just a bunch of things that people, like, very easily dismiss. UFO abductions, UFO encounters, encounters with an actual being. Right? But put a bunch of stuff in there that, like, makes people go, what? Is this real? And just enough.
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Just enough so that you can hide the real stuff in there.
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Well, I I think And,
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again, I’m not I’m playing dumbass. No.
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Yeah. No. I ai agree. Yeah. And I and, again, I I’ve said this earlier on the show, and I’ll say it again is, like, the reason why I believe David Grush who testified not just because Well, I believe
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David, but David doesn’t have firsthand experience. I know. Talked about.
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But the reason I know. I know. But the reason why I believe, Kim, is because it aligns with my research in the field. Remember, I spent over 12 years investigating on and off with my buddy Marco Leal in in in Virginia, Brazil, that UFO crash case and only found out last minute the last time I was there is that the Americans were involved.
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So I was like, oh my god. The rumors are are true. Like, you know, the Americans really are. Do you see like, I obviously looked into Roswell for years. I went to Roswell the 50th anniversary.
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This is how the deal works, bro. You want the aid? We get the UFOs. We give you the aid, but if a ram UFO, you fucking call us.
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Yeah.
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Stay out of there. Don’t be carrying that dude to the hospital. Leave it to us, and then we’ll just scoop that up and shut the fuck up.
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What what
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do you think about that? The the one of the craziest stories is that there’s a building somewhere that’s an enormous building that was actually around the UFO because the UFO was too big to move. You heard the story?
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It was reported on news NewsNation with Ross Coldheart.
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Gotta be real.
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And I well, Ross Coldheart is a credible He seems legit. He’s got an accent. He’s pretty legit. He’s got a great accent. He’s got an Australian accent. That’s not quite British. We believe you if you have an accent. But it’s close.
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You’re more credible than a New York accent.
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There’s something about a British accent that just adds credibility to anything.
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Right. There’s some guy from New York. So we got this fucking car.
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Ai. Sorry.
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We put her over. It’s absolutely huge. This spaceship’s so fucking big. We’re gonna build a building around it.
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But but they they talked about it. Now here’s
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here’s What is this building? And where is it supposed to be?
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I I don’t know. Oh, you’re holding them back? No. No. Yeah. Do you guys
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hear this? Nope.
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Ai, I have a little bit, but I don’t have the same connections on that side. But Ai but I’ll tell you a case that I do think needs to get looked into.
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Oh, you you know, you’re gonna move us around a
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little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Because this is why this Well, this is no. But this is a ram. Meh recovered his craft. Government agent,
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this ai. So He’s trying
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to So, there’s a there’s a memo in the program that was through the adoption process was released. Unfortunately, some of the names are redacted. Christopher Mellon obtained it. It was from a correspondence he had with a high level government official, back in 2020. It just got approved for release, I don’t know, maybe a year ago.
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It featured in the in the in the doc. And in it, it has the names of not just the gatekeeper, but other people that names who found the gatekeeper to the crash retrieval program. I’m told that unredacted versions of that had been handed to select members of congress and people that are investigated in the physical capacity with the government.
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But in it, they specifically mentioned a case, not crash, a landed case that happened in 1953. It came in Arizona. So I had made some inquiries with aerospace folks that I’ve been meeting with quietly, and I’m like, what’s this case that you guys keep talking about with the King in Arizona?
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Ai like, oh, it was like, they just landed and then left. I was like, well, how do you know they what do you mean landed and left? And they’re like, well, the doors are open and nobody home, and they walked off. I said, you mean, somebody just flew this thing down. It landed on the ground in the desert and came in Arizona in 1953, and they left the doors open and left, and they’re like, yep.
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That’s pretty much what happened.
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So So they left the craft there.
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Somebody just they flew it down and left a craft on the ground. I was told that and I I wouldn’t be repeating this if I didn’t think there was some serious credibility to it but apparently it was and Well,
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it does not align with how Diana Posalka and Gary Nolan have started describing these things as donations.
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Ai that I talked to was so funny because this individual was ai, not a scratch. Ai go, not a scratch. What? Not a not a scratch not a scratch on the no. It was perfect. Didn’t have a scratch. I was like, oh meh gosh. This sounds like somebody who’s more than just heard about this, but that one of the aspects of it didn’t have a scratch on it.
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So I think that’s that’s a case that I think that people should definitely The first
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hand witness said it didn’t have a scratch?
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I don’t know if it was the the way they ai it. It’s the problem. It’s the problem I have with all this stuff. But here’s the thing.
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If you were Travis
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Walton Yes. Okay. Love that guy.
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I love that guy too.
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Fascinating
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story. I really enjoy there’s we got a bobblehead. That’s a Travis Walton bobblehead.
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Oh, no way.
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Oh, yes way. Ai got it from Travis. That’s him staring at the sky
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Oh my gosh.
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When he was a young man.
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I went to the location, at the remote spot.
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I’m interested in that because that’s a firsthand witness.
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Yes.
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Ai? That’s a guy Yes. He’s explaining his bizarre experience. He’s told the same story
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No question.
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For whatever, 50, 60 years, whatever the hell it’s been.
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ai. Whatever it was since
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he got abducted. 50 almost 50 years. So this guy was there. That was his story. That I’m interested in that. When I hear a guy told a guy that this is what happened and this is how he described
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it,
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I’m like,
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super frustrated.
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So talking to Jay Sands
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Yes. First hand.
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Again, first hand was like, what the fuck is
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this? Face to face. Yes.
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Tell me what it was doing? What it looked like?
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Yeah. He sai
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he thought it was an adolescent too. He didn’t think that it was a full grown one. He thought it was young.
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Well, he’s got an illustration of it in the documentary, and I tell you, it’s it’s one of the crate I remember after
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Can you imagine?
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Ai oh, I know. I was like, if this is true, I was like, this is crazy. Face to face, I said, this is something that we didn’t reveal in the documentary. It was really funny. He thought that this individual was suffering ram, frostbite or, is that when you get really cold? Hypothermia. Hypothermia. Yeah. Skin had a blue tint to it.
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So he was take he took his jacket off, and he very insistently put the jacket on this individual because he was thinking this person’s really, really cold. He’s been out in the desert, probably had a plane crash or whatever. Right. And so he’s putting his jacket in. The person was kinda resistant, but Jason Sana said, I insisted.
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I took one layer of my jacket, and I put around this individual, and that individual left with the jacket on. So we jokingly I jokingly say, where do you think your jacket is now? He’s ai, probably out there at Elvazitari or god only knows. Or right here. Yeah. Yeah.
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Or yeah.
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Or This is the thing that gets
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me here.
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Logistically. Yes. Okay. If these things are coming from the ocean, just logistically, you would have to have a large ship. So we we were talking about this with Ryan yesterday. Yeah. And I was saying, like, if they had a battleship, we’d be able to see that. Right? Like, 100%.
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He sai, so it’d have to be a submarine. So I’m like, Jesus Christ. What if there really is some sort of a civilization underwater that that has existed coexisted with us forever?
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Did you hear about the, testimony by rear admiral Tim Gallaudet just recently in congress?
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Is this the one where the thing’s moving underwater are ai knots?
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Yes. He’s reporting he’s ai.
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Explain to people what he says?
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Ai don’t have all that you can work on. Remember. Yeah. What I can remember basically is confirming that we have objects that are exhibiting a technology underwater that defies any convectional explanation, things that are just virtually impossible. Like, so much faster than the fastest submarine or anything like that. Just and they’re really big.
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Yeah. It’s moving as if there’s no resistance underwater.
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Yeah. And then they moving like
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a fighter jet would in the air. It’s moving like that underwater.
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Call it transmedium or something they can do. Yes. But they’re but confirmation. I mean, that’s and I actually spoke to to to rear admiral Tim Gallaudet, on a couple of occasions recently, and I thanked him for coming forward to testify. And he said, you know, I felt an obligation to do so because a lot of my men, the pilots, were coming forward, and I wanted to back them up.
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And so Good man. That’s why that’s why he stepped forward and and testify.
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If you’re if you’re coming here from somewhere else and you wanted to hide in plain sight, you would hide in the ocean, especially if you have the technology to, like, completely negate any of the effects of the the water and the pressure.
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At least explore, this place on Earth.
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Yeah. We can’t get to it. We don’t have the technology yet. They know we don’t. They know it’s really hard to get a submarine out to wherever the fuck they would be.
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Went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Cameron. Cameron ai himself. I Ai would never do that.
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He’s a wild boy.
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Yeah. Does that, like, 35,000 feet down?
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Ai far is it? Bizarre like that? I mean, that’s those poor boats.
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Go down in a submarine by yourself?
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No. Definitely not. All know. A homemade one ai the one those people died in. Yeah. But that was there’s another thing about that case when the people went down that submarine. Apparently, I guess it’s the navy has some sort of very sophisticated underwater audio sensors and they heard the implosion and they knew about it, like, immediately.
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And didn’t report on it?
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Well, I mean, I think the problem with reporting on is that you have to report on your technology now. Yes. Ai don’t even know if this has been confirmed, but this is what I had heard.
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Methods and means or
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Well, it’s also it’s gotta be top secret. Like, it’s gotta be one of those things where if you’re gonna reveal that you heard that, you have to have clearance to do it. You probably have to run it up the ladder.
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One of the reasons why we know about overhead, satellite imagery of UAP is because of Ratcliffe, who was former head of ODNI. Ai he came forward, and I remember it’s funny, actually, because it was ai. And Christopher Mellon participated in this latest production with me because of Ratcliffe revealing it on Fox News. And Ratcliffe basically says, yeah.
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We have overhead collection satellite data of UAP that are pretty fucking far out. And that yeah. That that happens. So they’re talking about this. But getting back to your point, because I know you said you were frustrated. You’re like, oh, yeah.
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It’s just another anecdotal piece of evidence, a piece of testimony, 3rd party, not firsthand.
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I’m not sai
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frustrated. No. No. Sai no. I what I was saying is I totally agree with you. I’m frustrated as somebody who’s been chasing this story for 30 years. I too want access to the better, more compelling data.
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Yeah. That’s
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why I chased after that photograph I just shared with you earlier on for as long as I did because I I hear about something, I go after it. But I wanna remind your audience, you can’t go after something without knowing that it exists. So you get the leads. You find you start we’re learning more about the programs. We’re learning how these programs are are bryden.
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These WUSAPs, they’re waived, unacknowledged, special access programs probably hidden somewhere in the deal. I know it sounds crazy, but but at least guiding giving some guidance to where are these things and how these things are hidden, where they might be found. We reveal there’s a gentleman in the film called, Navy x, and people are like, ah, it’s just another person testifying anonymously. Well, yes. True.
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But he gives us specifics on telling members of congress where to look to find specifics. JWIX. What is it? And this is where to find the more compelling data. I’m gonna read this because it’s important that people know that. He’s saying, look. I’ve seen it, and this is where it is.
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It’s called the official UAP data is kept either in SIPR, secret Internet protocol router network, or JWIX, joint worldwide intelligence communication system that’s used by the DOD and only available in a SCIF, and a SCIF is a sensitive compartmented information facility. So is it frustrating to hear that and people ai? Oh, it’s just another person. But he’s saying, I’ve seen it. It’s phenomenal.
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He gives descriptions of some of the stuff he saw, and he’s telling members of congress if you have the clearances, this is where it’s being kept. So those are very good specifics. And, again, I remind you guys, like, okay. Just be patient. This is not a 100 yard dash. We’re running a marathon right now.
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In 80 rupees. We are.
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We’re trying to get back to what I was talking about earlier. Logistically logistically.
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I’m kidding.
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If you’re letting something go from the ocean
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Yes.
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If you’re flying it out of the ocean, logistically, you would have to have some sort of a large craft out there that’s going to house these things or it’s gonna launch from. Right? If it is actually coming
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from the ocean. Oh, I see. The the drones you’re talking about right now. Right.
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Yes. So either they’re hours and if there are hours Yes. How do they hide the fact there’s a battleship out there? Is is that possible? And if if it’s from a submarine, how do they develop a submarine that can launch 50 car ai or SUV ai drones from?
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Yeah. That’s one of the things that Chris Ai said to me this morning. He goes, that’s just that’s the one element or aspect that that really is a head scratcher
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because But this is the question. 5050 of
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these things coming in off the ocean. That’s just confirmed.
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Right. Right.
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No one’s in there.
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The question. Yes. Is it possible to classify the location of a US battleship that’s capable of having these things.
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01:37:06
Sai big. How could you ai What
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how big would it have to be to launch 50 drones?
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God, you’re not talking. You’re talking I don’t know, man. But that’s ai lot of drones, especially the size they’re reporting. They’re talking about drones the size of an SUV.
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Right.
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Sai let’s loiter time.
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Let’s imagine let’s imagine you so when you take a ferry, how many cars can a ferry fit on it?
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I take a ferry all the time in Vermont over
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New York. Like a legit one, like a UFD in 50 cars?
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I put well, the one that’s medium legit, I put ai, 30, maybe 40, ai, 20. Yeah.
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Sai couldn’t you couldn’t you do that with drones? And couldn’t you have something that’s a little larger than the average ferry?
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So you
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would need a battleship.
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Why would they do that? Why would they do that in the residential areas? Why ai they have everybody scratching their heads? All these press conferences you you’re talking about the head of the gang of 8. Right? But
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if they’re if they need to
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control themselves, ai not gonna tell the
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If they are really looking for a nuke. Oh. Okay. Let’s imagine that this story about, you know, a Ukrainian nuke from the time when they they disarmed them. There’s one that’s unaccounted for. This is one of the stories that’s been on the Internet.
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Mhmm. I don’t
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know if it’s true. Yeah. That it’s unaccounted for and that they think it’s headed to the United States. If you were trying to find that thing
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01:38:29
Like a dirty bomb?
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Yeah. Or ai a a just a regular nuke that if you’re looking for gamma rays, like, the you could devise a drone that could search for that and you’d fly it over an area and you wouldn’t care whether people freaked out because it’s more important to find this goddamn thing.
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Mhmm.
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Right? So if you have this technology, it’s some skunk works
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that got off to space?
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No. I don’t think so. I think you have to be there.
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Certain proximity within within think. To to pick up whatever. Did you bring this up with Ryan Graves? Yes. What did he say?
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You mean he doesn’t know either.
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You don’t know?
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He doesn’t think so.
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Everybody that I
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trust that’s the issue.
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People in the FBI, people that I’m I I communicate with often, I’m like, what is going on?
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It almost seems too sexy that the United States has that kind of ability and they’re just flying these things around and that they’re doing it for that specific reason to find a nuke. It’s ai that we have this kind of technology that we didn’t we none of us are aware of, that we have these these drones that can shut off when you come close to them.
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The ai shut off. They disappear. They Yeah. They go dark. Avoid tracking. The RF signal doesn’t show up. They they’re cool.
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There’s some they have some sort of cooling mechanism in them, so it’s difficult to see with infrared. I don’t understand any of that. He was saying that’s above what we can do right now.
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And saying
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they but they’re not moving in a way necessarily. That’s not possible with drone technology that is mainstream. But there’s some aspects of the way they move and what what they’re doing that doesn’t lead them to believe that this is current state of the art technology
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as far as we’re going. Yeah. They even even I had some intel people tell me, like, even if it’s conventional, it’s highly advanced conventional.
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Right. But if let’s look at China. Like, China has highly advanced drones.
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Yeah.
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Their drone their whole we’re talking about this as well that the bottleneck in America was the FAA. The FAA put a lot of restrictions on the manufacturer of drones and how you can do them, what you can do. China doesn’t have any of that, so they’re full steam ahead with innovation.
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If you look at what drone manufacturers in the United States have been able to do and then imagine untethered Mhmm. If they weren’t fucked over by all these regulations that got in the way of innovation. Who just come obviously, you have to have one because if you have some commercial drone that someone can buy that can move 500 miles an hour and fly through the air and stay up there for 6 hours at a time and film video of everything and anything, well and you you can’t control it, you can’t block the the radar screen, you can’t find it with infrared, that’s pretty nuts.
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So I would imagine that would not be a thing they would want in the hands of the average American person.
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But why did it just start happening fairly recently? When I say this Well,
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I’m saying if it’s Chinese. If it’s Ai, if they if they’re unburdened by our regulations and that not only do they have the help of the government, they have financing behind them. They have an imperative. They’re they’re told what to do.
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But they’re flying it over Langley. They’re flying it over
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Wouldn’t you do that?
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Meh Just
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to fuck with these people.
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What’s what’s the golf course that, Trump has?
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Yeah. His golf course. Yeah.
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What’s that called? I don’t know. Westminster. Westminster. Is that like that? They’re flying over that? Yeah. The president-elect? So it’s like
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Air Force Base did experience incursions of unauthorized, ai aerial systems in last year, December 2023 sai Sabrina Singh, Pentagon spokeswoman, the number of those UAS incursions did fluctuate, but they didn’t appear to exhibit any hostile intent. It’s something that we have kept our eye on. Well, thank God you’re keeping your eye on it.
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Yeah. And we have no idea what they are, but they they’re fine. Nothing to worry about.
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Yesterday that’s been happening. This is the 3rd year in a row this has been happening right around Christmas time.
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Time. Well, that’s what’s one of the reasons Sana Claus. One of the reasons why I wanted you guys to hear that account by the guy at Vandenberg Air Force Base, this is not anonymous reporting. The guy is giving his name. Right. And he’s talking about objects that are the size of a football field
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Yeah.
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Hopping over a silo, launch control area.
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Yeah. That’s also the Phoenix ai. They described them as size of a football field or larger.
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Oh, yeah. Well, shah well, I interviewed a guy. There was a case that happened in right here in Texas, Stephenville. Ricky Sorrell is one of the best witnesses. I love the guy. He’s a he was a bryden. And, he’s like he’s like, James, he’s like, you could have landed an airplane on this.
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I said, you gotta be kidding me. He goes, no, man. He goes, I stood under this thing. He goes, it was so big. I was sai standing under it and he had his rifle, and he’s standing under it and he’s looking up and he’s looking to the left.
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He’s looking to the to the left, right, back, forward. Can’t see the edge of it in any direction. So he grabs his hunting rifle because he was he was hunting. Dear, this is 2008. Grabs his hunting
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ai him he shot it.
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No. Well, so he holds his honey his rifle up, and he’s looking through the scope, and he goes, James, I’m a metal worker. I work with metal. I know what metal looks like. And he’s looking through the scope, and he goes, man, there’s no rivets. There’s no seams. There’s no weld marks.
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He’s like, there are these on the belly of it, there were these reverse, like, recessed, cones. It’s, like, bigger, and then they got smaller as it went up into the belly of the craft. He’s looking up at it, and his finger’s on the trigger, and he’s ai, man, I wonder wasn’t that ai?
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I wonder what happened if I just pulled the trigger here, and Ai bet it would ricochet off or hit the belly or something. So he’s looking at it, and he’s just about to pull the trigger to check it out, and he goes, maybe this isn’t such a good idea. I interviewed him in 2008 when this is going down. And then about a year later, I was doing some follow-up interviews for a film I did.
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I know what I saw. And I had this gentleman walk up to me, and I was filming in in the downtown square in, Stephenville, or it might have been Dublin. And, this gentleman looks at meh, and he goes, you mister Fox? Yes. And he pulls out a badge and he shows me as his badge.
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And, he’s like, can I talk to you for a minute? I’m I’m officer of so and so, and I was like, Jesus Christ. What the hell did I do? And I say, yeah. Sure. And we walk off to a cafe and he goes he’s looking at he had his back.
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He had his back to the wall in the cafe so he could see everybody coming in. He was really paranoid. And he said, you know Ricky Sorrells? I said, yeah. He goes, that guy’s telling the truth. I said, how do you know? He goes, because the whole police department saw it.
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I can’t remember if it was Dublin Police Department or Stephenville. I think it was Dublin. Stephen, police department. He goes, we have meh he said we, we were sitting over their patrol cars and this object was like a floating department store. I mean, it was absolutely colossus.
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Colossal like a city. Took out my radar gun, pointed at it, and it was doing 22 miles an hour. And then he said it drifted off, and they one of the officers, I don’t remember the name of the gentleman, took his his gun his, sorry, his, dashcam, and he flipped it up and he filmed it.
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And apparently, one of the biggest mistakes he this individual made, this police officer made was that he didn’t make a copy of it because the local air force base requested that film footage and got it. And so I’ve been telling people to go after that stuff exists. But my point is this object was so big.
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People claim the witnesses the firsthand witnesses that you had landed an airplane on it.
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Yeah. I meh,
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what is what is that? Those are the cases here.
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See that. That’s the thing. Like, if you see that, do you even tell people? You sound like a kook.
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Yeah. Well
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Like, if I saw it if I was outside in the desert Yeah. Ai I was just chilling and something so big that I couldn’t see the edges of it Yeah. Flew overhead. I don’t know what I’d say.
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He said when it took off, it was like this. He goes, James and Ricky didn’t wanna give me an on camera interview. For the longest time, he said I’m not coming forward. I’m not gonna do it. I’m not going public. I worked on him for 8 months. Finally, I got the green light. I flew back out to Texas, got him on camera, put him in the movie.
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But he said when it took off, it went from this, a complete standstill, and it went straight up, like, at a slight angle, but straight up and gone. He goes, James, I sai, describe the acceleration. He goes, hell, Lord. I’ll tell you the the best way I can describe ai that had I blinked, I would’ve I would’ve missed it. That’s how fast it took off.
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So ai went from here ai that. He had, he had helicopters hovering over his I know this sounds crazy. People are gonna be like, oh, this big you know? But he had helicopters flying over his property for a while Right around the time that I was trying to get him to go on camera, they came out in his underwear and his shotgun late at night with his helicopter spotlighting him up, and he ended up calling the local air force base and said, stop flying over my house at night.
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And they said, we suggest you stop talking about what you saw. And so, he was kinda spooked. And about 8 months later, he finally he he finally decided that he was gonna go public with the story. But, you know, everything to lose, nothing to gain. You get this countless reports of of these cases, you know, and and they’re around the world. Right? It’s not just United States. I’ve demonstrated that time and time again.
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But there’s more of them in the United States than anywhere else. Right?
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Well, I mean, one of my favorite cases, rue, Zimbabwe. That’s an amazing case. Right. Ai.
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But there’s more sightings in the United States than anywhere
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else. Right? Seems to be an attraction almost like a a moth to a flame with, with nukes. Somehow, they’re interested in our nuke nuclear capabilities, and and and I I remember interviewing Robert Saloni, who was a launch control officer, who described this whole event at Meh Air Force Base in the sixties where these UFOs were witnessed on the base, and then all their meh mid missiles started getting shut down.
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And I I remember saying to him, like, well, what what, what’s what’s your take on that? Like, what kind of you know? And he goes and I could real I ai why this individual was a launch control officer because he was so measured and so calm and so cool. And he goes, well, James, the message I got was kinda clear. It’s almost like taking matches out of the hands of a baby about the nukes. Yeah. Yeah.
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So, you know, with the phenomenon, you look at what they do. Right? And that that says some things. They’ve done some pretty brazen events, right, over the around over the decades, but you also look at what they don’t do. Because if the phenomenon wanted to end this, like, you know, secrecy once and for all, all they’d have to do is hover over the Macy’s Day Parade or or the next, big Super Bowl, and it’s game over.
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They don’t do that. They’ve done some pretty brazen things. Right? I mean, a case in point, March 13, 97 over the state of Arizona, including the governor, ai Sai witnessed that massive there were a number of UFOs witnessed, but that the main one, you know, was this big boomerang shaped ram, and even the governor said it must have been at least a mile across from wingtip to wingtip that floated.
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And I actually interviewed people that worked at Luke Air Force Base at the time, and they said that they scrambled jets to intercept this thing. And I interviewed a number of people that saw that ram. I mean, that stood on there that light down in their lawns and watched it float over the top of them.
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And, apparently, according to this individual that I met in the in the late nineties at Luke Air Force Base, they scrambled a military jet to intercept this thing. He came up on it, coulda landed on the damn thing. It was so big. And it went from moving very, very slowly to accelerating ai warp drive. Boobs.
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Just gone. When the jet came back to the base, Luca Air Force Base, they had to carry him out of the the plane, I’m told, because he was so shaken by what he saw.
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Yeah. I could imagine you wouldn’t handle that well.
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Could you imagine having to keep that secret? No. Can you imagine, like could you imagine taking
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the law? Would have to lie. Right? The governor had to, like, stand up with a a rope or a guy in a Chest
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of an alien suit.
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Yeah. An alien suit.
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Yeah. And ai I hammered him on that one.
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Well, then afterwards, once he left office, then he talked about it.
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Yes.
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And he talked about seeing it.
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I got I
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wonder why he had to do that, though.
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I I got oh, well, so I interviewed I was the one that got got him to break his silence after 10 years. And he told meh, and I don’t necessarily know that I fully believe it, but he told because initially when it happened in in March and now meh the vast majority of people were out under the night sky Mhmm.
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To get a glimpse of the hell bob meh. So it was witnessed all the way across the state of Arizona and even in Nevada, Southern Nevada. And, yeah, there he is. ai told me that it was growing hysteria. But initially, he had set out, and he said, we’re gonna find out.
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I’m contacting Luke Air Force Base, reached out to the Pentagon and all these various services, and we’re gonna we’re gonna get to the bottom of it. And then Ai don’t know how much longer it was. Was it later that day or was it the next day? He held an unscheduled press conference, and that’s when he had his aids dressed up in an alien suit and made a mockery of it all.
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And I can assure you, pissed the hell off his constituents and the witnesses all across the state of Arizona. They were furious. And, I confronted him on that 10 years after the fact because I was pissed off. I was investigating that case when it happened in the ai, and I interviewed a lot of really good witnesses, really good witnesses.
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And, he said, the reason why he did it was because of growing hysteria, that he wanted to quiet calm down the the hysteria. But did he get a phone call just saying, hey. Kill this story? I I lean in that direction, but he’s never even when we’re having cocktails together, he’s never confessed that that happened.
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But it is awfully suspicious the way it all went down.
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Yeah. It’s sort of weird, especially considering he actually saw saw it.
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That could have been a turning point in the UFO phenomenon reporting, you know, era. Right? Mhmm. Like, suddenly, you get this massive ai, which would happen today. We would have been covered by, you know, everybody’s phones and whatever. Mhmm. But but if the governor had come forward and said, yeah.
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Well, we need to figure out what that thing is. I’m a former captain in the air force. I’m a pilot, and I don’t know. I saw it. I don’t know what the hell that thing was.
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Is there any footage of the actual thing, the the triangle boomerang There arya
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there are some footage floating around, and I featured some, and I know what I saw. You got an object in the night sky with lights that and I at the time in 2009, I did some kind of enhancement. I’m sure the software is a lot better nowadays of, it looks like, like a big, I can draw it.
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Like a boomerang?
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Yeah. But more angular. It was like, like this like this. And my drawing my drawings are terrible.
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Ai that? Look up at the screen?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda like that. Yeah. Mhmm. Yep.
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And so that image in the far left, that’s but that’s the Yeah.
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And there was
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That’s it right there.
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So
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yeah. And here’s something that ai throws off the trail here because, excuse meh. The object came down of the state of Arizona. It went from north to south.
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Is that legit?
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On the right there? Yeah. I I I honestly, I I can’t say. I’d have to really do a deep dive into it, but let me tell you what happened because this is brilliant. So what happened was you got this massive object from around 5:30 at night in the southern Nevada, and then it drifts down very slowly over across the entire from north to south, across the entire state of Arizona.
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And right around 7:30, 8:8:30, the Gary the Barry Goldwater Mountain Range, which is the direction it was heading in, the military decides to drop a bunch of flares. And so people were like, oh, there it is. There’s some you know? And they and a bunch of people filmed the flares.
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So ai my opinion, it was a diversionary tactic that was brilliantly done because why the military suddenly decided to drop flares in the shape of somewhat of the shape. So I think that some of the footage that you’ve seen out there is military flares, but there’s and there was an effort I don’t know if you wanna get into it right now, but there was there was an effort, by the so called Meh and B, which the MIB, these men in black or the whatever unknown government agency they come from, to, that took that took some footage that I was, learning about during my investigations in the nineties.
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And now you’re looking at me like Ai crazy.
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No. No.
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So the first time I really heard a really credible report of the MIB and I decided not to report on it was when I was in touch with a woman who was councilwoman Frances Barwood, who was one of the few officials, in, Phoenix area that was saying, hey. Let’s investigate what these people are claiming they’ve seen. She’s not saying aliens have landed. All she’s saying is, hey. These people have a right to know what’s going on.
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Let’s launch an investigation. She was lambasted over the media, made fun of, ridiculed. But as a result of her inquiry, public inquiry and putting out there, one of these individuals reached out to her. Ai I know this because I know her, Frances Barbour, and I heard the whole story.
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And he was a he was a Vietnam vet, and he was on the roof of his house with a tripod and a camera, and he was trying to get a glimpse. He was trying to film the hell bob meh. And he had walkie talkies, and he was monitoring the truck drivers driving up interstate 10 from Tucson to Phoenix.
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And so he’s monitoring this, and he hears these truckers talking about a massive UFO. And he’s like, shit. That’s heading right towards my house. He was like, I’ll film it. So he had a camera all ready to go, and the and the object went right over his house according to him, and he filmed the whole thing.
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And he goes, yeah. I filmed the whole thing. It’s pretty spectacular, and I know that you’re launching an investigation, Francis Baru. Would you like to see it? And she she said, yeah. So they made arrangements where he was gonna drop it off at her office.
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Either later that day or first thing the next morning, 2 representatives, and it was July at this point. It was very hot. 2 men in dark suits showed up at his house, and they said, hey. He was apparently relieved that’s all they wanted. He said they were quite menacing looking.
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Didn’t really say a lot. They said we’re from Francis Barwitz office. We’re here to pick up that footage. So he gives them the footage. He said the only question they ask him is did they make any copies? And he said no. And so they take the footage off they go.
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Well, he doesn’t hear ram Frances Barwood. He’s like, what the hell? So a couple days go ai. I think possibly up to a week. He calls her up, and he says, and Frances will tell you this. She’ll she’ll validate what I’m telling you. He says, hey. What’d you think of the footage?
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She goes, well, what do you mean ai I think of the footage? I never got it. You were gonna drop it off at my ai, and you didn’t show up. He goes, well, I didn’t have to. You had 2 men from your office show up and pick up. She goes, I didn’t send anybody around your office.
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And I know at the time in the late nineties, Ai heard a couple of stories prior to that. I thought this is too out there. This is too outlandish. No one’s gonna believe this. I have no proof of this other than her testimony. Screw it. And and I didn’t report on it.
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But hearing those cases over and over and over, it’s ai, there we go once again, the so called evidence that could prove or disprove one way or the other that something truly extraordinary took place in the skies over Phoenix back in 1997 vanished. But there is some that’s that slipped between the cracks that’s out there.
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You just have to do due diligence and there’s I don’t have the time to sift through all of it.
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Images that we’re looking at, they look too clean.
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Yeah. Ai don’t know what’s AI generated or whatever, but Or
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what could have been in a documentary ai a recreation? I
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know what I saw features some of the footage. Ai cover that case extensively. So if anyone’s interested in the Phoenix Ai case, that but I can tell you
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So how many ai it? How many people saw it?
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Oh, 1,000. Yeah. 1,000. I talked to another woman, Stacy Rhodes, and her daughter Emily, and they said they were driving on interstate 10. And she goes, look, James. I’m gonna tell you how big this thing was. I said, how big? And she goes, first of all, there were people stopped on the freeway just ai stopped as this thing.
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It was ai close encounters of floating over the she goes, I could have held up a newspaper like this and looked to the left, looked to the right, looked at that, and she said, I couldn’t block this thing out. That’s how big it was, and it didn’t make a sound. It was gunmetal black. It was witnessed by a lot of people.
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That’s why I say there’s some some events that have happened over the decades that are pretty bryden, and that’s one of them. Hudson Valley is pretty brazen as well. I just wish I
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knew if it was true.
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That’s a lot of ai seeing the same thing. If if you see thousands of people saying the same thing, including the governor
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I know. I get sai invested in it, and you go, what happened?
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The governor. Yeah. The governor.
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Sai guy who came out with a fucking guy dressed up like Yeah.
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I know. But I got him to come clean 10 years later.
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Yeah. But so he’s already not credible. Well He already bullshits. He does. He bullshits. He definitely bullshits.
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He definitely bullshits. You’re right. There you go. Yeah.
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But So when someone bullshits about that, they might bullshit about anything. But well, true. Yeah. But Ai mean, I Again, I’m just playing devil’s out.
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No. I hear you. I I hear I hear what you’re saying, and I’ve I’ve I’ve He
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hasn’t been in ai limelight a while. It’s a good thing to talk about now.
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01:58:26
There’s no smoke without fire. There is so much evidence in terms of eyewitness testimony and radar, some photographic, not as much as we’d ai, that something truly inexplicable is taking place in our aerospace. Right? For sure. Something that after careful examination, something that not because of a lack of data in some instances, but that after careful analysis and research investigation that comes out the other end and says, I can’t explain this.
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Is it gonna have to be one of those, unknowns or, you know, falls into that 15% category of Mhmm. Cannot provide a terrestrial or conventional explanation for. And those are the cases that Ai so desperately have been going after for a long time.
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So is all this disclosure and all those discussions on television now and all these meetings and hearings, does it so are you think we’re on an accelerated path? Do you think this is, ai, this is all good. Right?
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Unconvinced of it. Yes.
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But do you think that there’s a real possibility, like, within the next few years that they just completely drop all the bullshit and come clean about this stuff? Or would it take some sort of extraordinary event where they had to admit it? Something much bigger than this drone thing.
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Well, in in some respects, there has been I I I meh I interviewed this ai, Nick Pope, at the MOD years ago, and I was like, this is a time when we’re pushing for transparency there. France was was releasing previously classified documents on UFOs, sai I’d say. And the MOD followed suit. They were releasing previously classified documents saloni putting it out there.
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And at the time, it was rather exciting. I just did a big event at the National Plus Club with Leslie Kane, and and it was ai this whole move, and it was like, oh my god. It’s happening. Right? Mhmm. But, it it it kinda petered out a little bit.
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And I remember asking this guy that used to work the UFO desk at the MOD, Nick Pope. And I said, Nick, do you anticipate this any type of disclosure? This is, like, 2,009 or something. 2,008, 2,009. And he goes, James, no. He goes, it’s gonna be disclosure with a small d, not a big d.
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It’s gonna trickle out slowly. You condition people, get people prepared, test the waters. You know, one of the things that we explore in the program, and Ai never done that, is the politics of disclosure. It’s a far more complex. Let’s just suspend judgment for a moment and assume that it’s real. K? That there really is an NHI or nonhuman intelligence aspect to the phenomenon. Right?
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02:00:52
Let’s just suggest that’s real. Now how do you disclose that to the general public? What about the impacts on organized religion? What about the impacts on financial institutions? What about the fact that we’d have to confess that we don’t have full control over this? I mean, those are real considerations, and it’s not just the United States.
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Right? This involves the planet. This involves all the humanity. I wanted to ask you about this. Do you see what I’m saying? Like Yeah.
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Oh, I do. Ai do. I totally understand.
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More complex than you think.
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Oh, I totally get that. What do you how does Russia handle these things? How does China handle these things?
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Well, I, there was a case in China that happened in 1994 right around the time of Rua, Zimbabwe, also in 1994 called Mengzhiaogua. And, it happened in the Black Mountains, and it was a landing, alleged contact, close ai of the 3rd kind. It’s funny because it happened around the same time of Africa, similar message that was conveyed. I went to China.
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02:01:46
I met with a active general in uniform, talked openly about the UFO phenomenon. Mhmm. They were pretty open. I went to to, Russia in the late nineties, and that was right before Putin. It was right around the time when Putin was coming in.
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02:01:59
And that was a a period of openness, and I went to Shah City Russia. I interviewed a cosmonaut Pavel Popovich, a number of generals, and, they were very open about it. In fact, they said to me at the time, if you’re here to discuss whether or not the UFO phenomenon is real, the door’s right over there.
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We’re here to create an international coalition, an international exchange of information, and to talk about the implications of the phenomenon, which I thought was amazing. This is, like, 25 years ago. Right? So now I don’t know if things have changed since Putin’s been in office, but that was back in the late nineties.
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I mean, they’ve been congressional hearings in Brazil. Mhmm. There’s been an there’s been an effort. I mean, shit. They had they had hearings back in 1978 at Ai Nations, at least, Beagle put on. You know? So there’s been an ongoing effort for this stuff to come out.
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I just think it’s different this time. To me, it feels like they’re not gonna, there’s too much there’s too much momentum behind it at this point, and there’s so much legislation that’s written. It’s too much that’s come out, and it’s too important. Look. Whether you believe it or you don’t believe it, if if you can just imagine for a moment if it is true and if the US government does in fact have irrefutable evidence that we’re not alone in the universe, that’s so significant that we all have a right to that information and that we should continue to support this unprecedented push for transparency with our elected officials and get to the fucking bottom of it.
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Ai not? Everybody agrees.
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Right?
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Yeah. I think everybody agrees. The general public, no one’s gonna disagree
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with you about that. Yeah. And then new new administration’s coming in. There’s, you know, there’s Ratcliffe and Rubio. I’m telling you, Rubio knows a lot. I know that.
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How do you know he knows?
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Because I’ve talked to people that have debriefed him and have been in the room with him during the first You
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haven’t talked to him?
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No. I have not. No. I have not. But I talked to people that were in the room when he was being briefed from first handers. I’m told that there were, I’m gonna say, right around 12 firsthand people that have that have had behind closed doors meetings, firsthand, people that are concerned concerned about their secrecy, concerned about their safety, concerned about the implications in the of them coming forward and, you know, going going public that they’re not quite they don’t quite have this comes from very good source of information that the witness protection program and the legislation that they’ve created around that is not quite there yet.
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It’s getting closer. They need to continue to work on that.
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You don’t mean ai witness protections program ai I’ll put them in Whistleblowers.
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They have whistleblower protection. I’m so sorry. I meant to say that. Yeah. Excuse me. Yeah. Whistleblower protection is not quite in place. Mhmm. One of the things I really wanted to mention is that there is a gentleman, a young man who’s 30, and he feels like he’s old. His name is Jesse Michaels, and he’s got this new show called American Alchemy. New. It’s a couple years old.
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Why does he feel like he’s old?
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Because, you know, when you’re 30, you feel like you’re old.
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Really?
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Well, I did. When I turned 30, I was like, I’m 30 because just 10 years earlier, I was almost 19. Right? Or 11 years earlier, I was 19. Right. You go from a teenager to suddenly you’re 30. You always take, like, 30. And I was talking to him not too long ago, Jesse, and I said he’s like, yeah. I feel a little old.
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I was like, dude, you are just getting into your prime, baby. This is rock and roll tyler, but I really wanted to this is a guy who’s young. Julian Dory is also doing some amazing work on this in podcast, but he was young and is doing a deep dive into the implications and, into he meets with aerospace engineers.
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The ai he’s a Jesse, you’re a phenomenon. Keep rocking and rolling. I wanna cut tip my hat to you. I don’t know if you’ve seen this guy or not or No.
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I haven’t.
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He’s doing deep dives into what’s happening.
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Maybe I have.
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He’s documented it with these podcasts, and he’s doing a fantastic job, and I just gotta tip my hat to the guy because, he’s 10 times smarter than I’ll ever be, and he’s young and he’s a force to be reckoned with. And he’s really doing he’s answering all the questions that you and I arya exploring all these issues that you and I are talking about.
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Well, I’m glad there’s people out there pushing it, and I’m glad there’s guys like Grush that are sticking their neck out and guys like you who are making documentaries about it. It’s the the subject is much more open to discussion, like I was saying, amongst serious people
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Yes.
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Where it didn’t used to be before. And now I think with this drone thing, I think there’s so many people that are going, okay. Okay. Even if they’re ours or they’re China’s or they’re who. What’s going on? Yeah.
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Why are
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there so many of them? What what are the answers? And why can’t you tell us? Is it because they’re searching for a nuke? Jesus Christ, maybe we should warn people and get the fuck out of here. You know, is that really what’s going on? Like, if it’s not, what is going on? And if it’s not ours, what are they? And how come you can’t track them?
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How come like, what kind of
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Very bizarre.
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It doesn’t even make sense.
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It’s very bizarre.
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Sense when you think of the capabilities of the United States military. It doesn’t make any sense. They can’t figure out what’s going on. I think what Trump said is probably correct that the government knows. They know what’s happening, and they don’t wanna tell people.
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Why wouldn’t he know? He could tell us. Why wouldn’t he tell?
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I don’t think he knows yet.
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I don’t
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think until he gets in office. He was he gave a speech about it at Mar a Lago.
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I saw that. I saw that. But did did he say Well, let’s watch it.
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We’ll watch it. We’ll watch it.
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Yeah. We’ll pull a speech out. Yep. Because I’m wondering if he yeah. We’re we’re about to find out.
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Yeah. As essentially, he was saying that he knows the government knows what’s going on, and, they’re not telling us. So That means they’re not telling him.
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So they’re not telling him
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No. I don’t I’ll think until you get into office, you’re not the president. Right? So he’s the president-elect. I don’t know what kind of
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clearances that he has.
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Yeah. I don’t understand how that works.
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Sai be very curious to know what he knows.
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Right. Especially with this, like, who do you even ask? Like, who’s the person that can lay out the information? Like, which department? Which which agents?
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Yeah. Right. It seems like they’re so compartmentalized.
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What about the theory?
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I’m here
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to help you. Good
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Ai, our military knows where they took off from. If it’s a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don’t wanna meh. And I think they’d be better off saying what it is our military knows and our our president knows.
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Our president knows.
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And for some reason, they wanna keep people in suspense. I can’t imagine it’s the enemy because it was the enemy vatsal blasted out. Even if they were late, they blasted. Something strange is going on. For some reason, they don’t wanna tell the people, and they should because the people are really I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster.
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We should have
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never seen never seen the They’re very
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they’re very close to Bedminster. I think maybe I won’t spend the weekend in Bedminster. Have you been Ai decided to cancel my trip.
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Yeah. Ai think I won’t spend the weekend in Bedminster. Yeah. Ai.
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I bet someone told him, mister president, it’s pretty important that you don’t go to the golf course. Yeah.
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God, that’s so crazy.
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Yeah. Hey, so what does that mean?
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I gotta I gotta if if you don’t mind, there I was contacted. I went to this this Are you
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gonna switch subjects?
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Well, no. No. No. No. No. This is all about exactly what we’re talking about. I just this is something that that I really need to put out there because it’s very important.
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Okay.
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And it’s an unprecedented effort spearheaded by this woman, Andrea, who runs a number of communities on Reddit. And she said that they’re banding together for the first time ever. It’s the biggest grassroots campaign for government transparency. This is happening on Ai, 20th December at 3 PM Ai, and this has the potential to reach millions and millions of people.
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It’s the most unprecedented, event on Reddit in history. And I’ll post all of the necessary information on x because this is a very grassroots effort, And I’m meh And
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what are they doing?
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At James c Fox on x, formerly known as Twitter. It’s, their the Reddit community is banding together for a huge grassroots campaign for government transparency. So, basically, all the various platforms on Reddit, like paranormal, UFO, they’re all they don’t usually get along too well, but they’re all combining their resources, and they’re getting together for the first time ever.
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And to push for government transparency, there’s a couple of government insiders that appear in my film that will be appearing on this to answer questions and what steps need to be happening, what’s going on today, and and this is happening on the 20th December, 3 PM. And I’ll be posting more information, the very specific details on x@jamescfox.
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I just wanted to get that out there before because
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Well, the more this stuff that happens, the better. The more people demand it, the better.
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The
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more politicians hear from the people and want to Ai mean, especially politicians that are up for reelection, and they wanna show that they’re doing what the people want them to do. Yeah. Ai I’d like to know more, but, obviously, I’m very happy that we’re hearing much more about the subject in a serious way. Yeah.
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You know, whatever the hell is going on.
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Yeah. Well, I I I I I really encourage you to watch the program.
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I will. 100%.
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I went bent over backwards to put together and and and explain everything in layman terms what’s happened from 2017 to today because it’s it’s unprecedented. We’re living in an unprecedented moment in history. There’s an unprecedented push for government transparency, and I wanna continue supporting our elected officials’ bipartisan effort to get to the bottom of this.
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And I especially wanna throw a shout out to representative Burchett because you’re you’re killing it, buddy. Thank you.
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Hey, Jamie, why don’t you use chat gpt and ask chat gpt what’s going on with the drones in New Jersey?
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I’d be very curious to hear about that. Yeah. It’s a damn good idea.
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And maybe then ask Rock. But, ask chat gpt what is really happening with the drones in New Jersey. We’ll just see what chatgpt says.
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Tyler me how that works. I don’t know. We’ll find out. It’s AI. Right? Mhmm.
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And What is really happening with the drones in New Jersey? Let’s see. So what does Chat GPT say? Chat GPT is gonna search the web.
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Oh, this is amazing.
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Numerous ai had been reported across New Jersey and other East Coast. It’s incredible how fast this is. Look how fast. Look Look at this. This is incredible. They found no evidence suggesting threat to national security or public safety. Despite these assurances, some local officials and residents remain concerned.
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For instance, Belleville mayor Ai Melham, speculated the increased drone activity might be related to a search for missing radioactive material from the medical facility in New Jersey. Additionally, the public figures ai Bethany Frankel have shared unverified theories about the drone’s purposes, further fueling speculation the situation is evolving, and authorities continue sana monitor and investigate new reports.
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Residents are advised to report any suspicious drone activity to local law enforcement. Avoid taking matters into their own hands ai shooting them down. People are shooting them down. Sai they’re shooting them down. They’re eating the dogs. Everything is shoot down drones, as it could pose safety risks and violate laws.
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Now ask chat gpt
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May I ask rock or no?
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Oh, let’s just keep going with chat gpt for a little bit because you’re asking it again. Ask chat gpt, if I live in New Jersey, should I get out of town? What
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are you saying? Yeah.
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Yeah. If I live in New Jersey, should I get out of town?
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Should I evacuate?
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Yeah. Should I evacuate? You’ll say evacuate because get out of town is like a colloquialism. Should I evacuate? Okay.
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This is amazing.
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At this time, there’s no official recommendation for residents in New Jersey. Mhmm. Follow official updates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. As a precautionary measure Are
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you sure? Are you sure? Sometimes ai always have to ask
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a double No federal evacuation orders. Okay. It knows that there’s no federal evacuation orders. If you were gonna give me advice, would you tell me to leave the East Coast? Ai is fucked up. There we go. Based on the current information provided by trusted authorities, there’s no evidence of an imminent threat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Could you imagine? Put this in.
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Could you imagine a scenario where these drones are actually looking for a nuclear bomb? And if so, would you advise me as a preemptive measure to evacuate. I tyler so much worse when people are watching.
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I’m so impressed at how well he’s ai. Actually, I Ai really am.
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While it’s possible to imagine scenarios involving drones searching for dangerous materials such as a nuclear bomb, there’s no verified information suggesting such an extreme situation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I how about this? I think ai this in. I was
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if I put it in grok in fun mode, it might get
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But hold on a saloni. But try this.
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Is there a nonhuman intelligence behind it?
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Listen. I think the drones are looking for a nuclear bomb, and I am going to leave New Jersey, where should I go?
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To Montana.
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How far away should I go? Oh, that’s okay. If you’re leaving New Jersey as a precautionary measure, here’s some suggestions for place to relocate temporarily
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You’re doing good.
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Head west. Okay. So now we’re getting better. So now it’s saying go further away. Wow. Colorado, consider scroll back to up sai I can read that where it’s in Colorado. Thanks. Consider Durango, Grand Junction, or areas outside of Denver. These are safe and equipped with modern infrastructure.
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Almost got no
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telling you to move this is telling you to get away from big cities.
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Durango.
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Tennessee, the Smoky Mountain region, and Gatlinburg, Knoxville provides natural beauty, lower cost of living, and a sense of isolation. They’re telling you how to rebuild civilization. Okay. If a nuke goes off
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Where to go?
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If an if a nuke goes off on the East Coast type this in, Jamie. If a nuke goes off on the East Coast, where should I be to be safe? Oh my gosh. If you’re concerned about potential nuclear incident, here’s a list of safest options based on geographic, environmental, and strategic factors. Montana.
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Montana, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, sparsely populated vatsal distances ram major cities and military targets. Towns like Bozeman, Jackson Hole, Sandpoint are beautiful remote and away from the fallout paths. Jesus Christ.
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I’m curious. What would happen if you asked chat gbt, is it?
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G p t.
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G p t. If, what percentage of UAP represent a nonhuman intelligence?
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Okay. That’s a good one. What percentage of UAP represent a nonhuman intelligence?
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Really curious.
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Sai was just pulling it from the Internet.
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I know. Well, it’s still
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could represent nonhuman intelligence remains unknown and speculative. Current investigations by UAP organizations ai the US government ai the following. Most UAPs have conventional explanations. Ours is project blue blue book bullshit.
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Sai all percent of ai or 10% of UAP cases remain unidentified even after thorough analysis. These cases, I ai, like, 15 to 20, but, yeah, 5 to 10%.
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Evidence inconsistent with known human technology, no conclusive evidence for nonhuman intelligence, ai some UAP cases are public puzzling. The government has not officially okay. Commander ai this in. Commander David Fravor encountered a Tic Tac, a Tic Tac Yeah. Tic Tac shaped craft in 2,005
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ai 2,004? 2,003. 2003.
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Okay. 2003. Mhmm. That defied our understanding of known physics, period. What do you think he saw?
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Wow. In 2004, I’m sorry. With Tic
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Tac shaped craft remains one of the most compelling and well documented UAP cases in modern history. Key deal details they encounter. Craft ai smooth, white, oblong, resembling a Tic Tac, no visible propulsion wings or exhaust, ai extraordinary flight characteristics, accelerated instantly from a hovering position, descended from 80,000 feet to near sea level in seconds.
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Fravor reported the object mimicked his movements during their engagement and then vanished at extreme speed. It’s possible the craft was an ultra secret military project, either US based experimental aircraft, aerospace technology, or developed by another nation. However, the extreme flight performance raises doubts.
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Such advanced technology would suggest a significant leap beyond publicly known capabilities, which is inconsistent with current engineering limits. Sensor anomaly or perception issues, nah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I asked the heads of Arrow. Okay. Could explain that one, and they said no.
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If don’t ai this in.
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It’s a really good case.
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If all accounts of the capabilities of the Tic Tac craft are true, what are the possibilities that it came from another planet?
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If the accounts of the aircraft capabilities are accurate instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds without propulsion, no heat signatures.
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So people can hear you.
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Okay. So if the accounts of the Tic Tac’s craft’s capabilities are accurate, instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds without visible propulsion, no heat signatures, and defiance of inertia, then the possibly the possibilities of origin being extraterrestrial or from another planet become a viable hypothesis.
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Here’s why. The physics of the Tic Tac craft reported behavior the ram suggests technology that operates beyond our current understanding of physics and propulsion systems. No visible propulsion. It implies propulsion system unrelated to conventional jets or rockets. Instantaneous acceleration defies inertia in Newtonian physics. Achieving this will require manipulating gravity or space time itself.
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Silent operation, no sonic booms despite hypersonic speeds points to a technology that likely emanates eliminates air resistance, such as surrounding itself in an electromagnetic field or bubble. This level of technological advancement far surpasses anything developed on Earth.
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If true, such capabilities would suggest a highly advanced civilization per fact perhaps 1,000 or millions of years ahead of us scientifically. If true, where do you think it came from?
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And this was this was 20 years ago.
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That Ai had to say.
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I know. But if true, where do you think it came from? If it how about this?
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It’s still typing.
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It’s still typing.
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Jesus Christ. Giving you that answer. Final thoughts. Look at this. It’s writing a whole turn paper
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on this. It’s amazing how fast it does it too. It’s amazing how fast it does it. Wow. Tic Tac if the Tic Tac UAP is real and the accounts are accurate, then its origin may very well be extraterrestrial or involve unknown physics and technology that we haven’t begun to comprehend.
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The extraordinary nature of the case suggests an equally extraordinary explanation.
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What do you think?
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Why are you asking me, bitch? You’re chachi b p.
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What do you think?
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Does extraterrestrial visitation seem plausible, or is there another explanation that resonates more with you? So ai this. I believe it seems plausible that they are extraterrestrial in nature.
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Good luck. I was gonna say that’s good.
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If true, comma, if true, where do you think they came from? Let’s see. Alright. So identifying where they might come from involves exploring nearby stellar systems, known exoplanets, and plausible scientific ideas about interstellar travel. Here are the most likely possibilities.
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Nearby star systems with habitable zones. Alpha Centauri system, 4.37 light years away, closest star system to Earth, Proxima Centauri, potentially habitable planet exoplanet, orbiting Proxima Centauri within the habitable zone. If ai developed there, it might be technologically advanced enough for interstellar exploration, Bernard. So it’s giving me a list of all The potential possibilities. Possible star systems.
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This one’s only 39 light years away.
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What was the closest one off Alpha Centauri was that? Was shah, 4 light years or something?
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I don’t know.
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Scroll back up. Scroll back up a little bit.
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It’s at 3.9. ai. 3.3.
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Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years away. Close. Wow. But here’s the crazy part.
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Pretty close.
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Remember the remember the twin paradox theory? They say that if you get, like, 2 twins, right, as kids, say one’s 10, they’re both 10.
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Right.
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And you put 1 in a spaceship that travels the speed of light for 1 year. Mhmm. He would come back with an atomic clock onboard that spacecraft a year old or he’d be 11, and his brother would be an old man.
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Mhmm.
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I can’t wrap my mind around that. Right. But that’s But they say it’s pretty much fact.
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But that’s speed. Right? I think what we’re talking about is different than speed. I think it’s instantaneous instantaneous relocation.
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Right. Sai
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I was thinking yeah.
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I was thinking instead of like Manipulate the space time between the two points?
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Right. So I think the idea is that instead of a rocket that goes, you know, ai miles an hour and just shoots off of Earth and keeps going until it, you know, 5000000 years from now Yeah. It runs into this planet. I I think it’s different than that. I think what if I had to guess where something can manipulate gravity and space, what it would do is instantaneously appear in these new places.
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And you’ve talked to a lot of physicists about this kind of stuff.
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I have, and the way they explained it is baffling. And Bob Lazar’s version of it is baffling because Bob Lazar’s version of it that he told in 1989 kind of makes sense when you talk to people that are trying to develop some sort of a gravity or warp drive.
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Right.
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And the way Bob Azar explained it is that this element when bombarded with radiation creates this I’m I’m really butchering it for sure, creates some sort of a gravity field that allows it the way he described it like if you took a mattress, a very soft mattress, sana put a very heavy bowling ball in the middle of the mattress, it pushes the mattress down to that area and that this, like, folds time.
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Right. So you go from here to here, but when you stretch it down, suddenly those two points connect.
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It folds it. Yeah. Right. And so wherever it is, it’s Wow. It’s here. So it’s not like it’s going a 1000000 light years. So it’s a 1000000 light years an hour. Yeah. Space is malleable. Exactly.
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It’s just
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Well, it makes sense. If if if you think about how technology scales
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Yeah.
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And if we do I mean, Ryan brought up this yesterday as well that there was research and there’s papers written about the idea of having some sort of a gravity drive or having some sort of a gravity propulsion system, something that doesn’t rely unconventional, you know, rockets pushing gas to seal back. That’s for sure. Exactly. And he said that this is something that was discussed a long time ago, but then it just stopped.
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And, you know, and we brought it up saloni ai a while ago. There was an episode that we brought up a paper that was written in the 19 sixties about gravity drives.
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Was that by Hal Putoff?
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I do not know.
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Because he’s ai a propulsion expert in terms of the propulsion behind the physics behind UFOs. Yeah. And he tried to I tried to get him to explain it to me in sort of conventional layman terms and, of course, my tiny little bryden, but he I I felt like I almost grasped it for a moment, but the time the amount of power that it would take to to create that gravitational field around the object.
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And he said that’s why you see them doing these maneuvers that look like it defied physics. Right? And everything inside the craft would just splatter, it that that that you’re immune from that on the inside according.
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Which also would make sense.
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Physicist. What am I talking about?
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But that would also make sense if you had something like that that you could go in the ocean as well. Right? Yeah. Sai Because whatever’s around you wouldn’t matter because you’re not affected by it.
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Right. You’re somehow creating a field around you. It’s it’s that’s immune to whatever
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space. Be the only thing that would make sense where how it
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could move so fast underwater. Atmosphere speak, water.
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And how it would be a transmedium.
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Yeah.
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You can go from space into the water. It’s unaffected by gravity. It’s unaffected by all the things around it. It creates its own gravity field and allows it to just pass through things.
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I remember, Kirk McConnell, who sent an armed service committee who investigated UFOs from 2017. I talked about them earlier. But he said that they were picking up Aegis radar systems were picking these objects up ram, basically, from space, and they were shooting down from space all the way down.
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They loiter for as long as they wanted to go in the water, come back out again, shoot back up into space, and they would just do it, like, you know, all day long. And there was nothing
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Well, we can’t see that. Right? I don’t know
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what the
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If someone does have I mean, if there’s someone in the military that does have some, like, super advanced satellite reconnaissance imagery of these things, I could see why they would hold that back. I could see why they would think that people aren’t ready for that. Sai could see it.
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Do you think Elon knows?
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He’s real cagey about it.
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He is cagey about it. And he’s got deals with the DOD, and he’s got satellites and everything?
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That’s probably why. I’d be cagey about it too.
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He knows more than what he’s saying.
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This is what he said. If aliens are real, they’re very subtle. That’s what he was saying. Ai was like, I don’t know if they’re subtle, man. The phoenix lights wasn’t that subtle. That’s aliens.
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I heard from some people around him that that because of his contracts with DOD that he kinda keeps quiet about it because
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I’m sure.
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Everybody talks about I mean, even Ratcliffe talked about the satellite imagery for of UAP. I mean, if they’re picking it up, why wouldn’t his systems pick it up?
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He hasn’t said a peep about the drone thing.
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And you
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haven’t asked him about it? Nope.
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If he wants to tell me, he’ll tell me. I’m not gonna be that guy. I’m not gonna be annoying. But publicly, like on X, has he said anything about the drones?
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He said something a couple weeks ago, I believe. I think it
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was a couple weeks ago.
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I’ll check right now, but it’s, like, there’s a big drone storm or a big drone fight coming, and people were taking that as, like, he knew this was happening.
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A big drone fight coming?
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Well, you know, he’s, been real public about the idea that building manned fighter jets is, at this point, ai of foolish, you know, and he’s I think he’s correct. You know
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So unpiloted only. Yeah. I mean, I think the fun out of it.
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Well, it takes the biological mistakes out of it is what it does. Right. It takes the human mind out. The human mind is very fallible. You know, we already know that AI systems like Ai Baker explained to us that AI systems with fighter jets beat actual fighter jet pilots 100% of the time.
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So when they have these simulated yes. When they have these simulated dog fights, ai they take AI fighter jets that we have right now, they beat our fighter jet pilots, the best of the best, 100% of the time. So they don’t have any biological limitations in terms
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of what what But it can sustain.
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Right? Ai?
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Yeah. Yeah. Don’t use So
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you have that. Right? So all you have to do is make the equipment and the materials, robust enough so they can take insane speeds and not blow apart. But it certainly would be way easier to do that than it would be to get a human being to be safe in it.
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So much less badass though.
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Recently.
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So what is he saying? Oh, so he clicked on it. Future wars are all about drones and hypersonic jets. So this is us talking about that. This is us talking about, fighter jet pilots by humans will be destroyed very quickly. So he talked about it, so he put a clip up of us talking about it on the podcast. This is in November November 28th.
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And so, neither side is air superiority, and tanks are easily destroyed by missiles, so that leaves infantry and artillery basically World War 1. Drones are not yet available in sufficient numbers to matter meh like aircraft in World War 1. A defense in-depth trench war means and then some modern example
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That was, like, 2 years ago.
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So did you get the impression when you spoke to Elon about UFOs that he knew more than he was telling you? You said he’s KG?
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Yeah. He doesn’t he he he doesn’t even entertain the idea of UFOs.
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So if you bring up the Fravor incident, he’ll just sai, no. It didn’t happen or that’s He
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just doesn’t seem interested. I don’t know. I mean, I would imagine what you’re saying is true, that it’s not wise for him to discuss it. That’s what I would imagine.
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Yeah.
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If he wants to tell me, he’ll tell me. And if he wants me to tell no one, I’ll tell no one. Yeah. If he wants to tell me and say don’t tell anybody, I’ll I won’t tell anybody. But I’m not gonna ask him. I I think his position as, you know, being the guy at SpaceX
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Yeah.
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Why would you fuck around with that?
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He’s got too much at stake.
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Yeah. He’s way too much at stake. Yeah. Also, like, if anybody’s gonna find out, he’s gonna find out. If there there’s something going on, there’s something legitimately going on. The guy who can catch rockets with a crane, he that’s the guy. He’s gonna know.
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I thought the first time I saw that, I thought it was, like, AI generated.
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It seems like
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I was watching the thing come down, and I just thought that’s
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The ones that land before that, those are insane, and now you can catch them. They don’t even have to land. It’s nuts. Like, what he’s done is just accelerate what we are arya capable of doing far beyond what NASA was able to do just a few years ago. So
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I used I used to have a neighbor that worked for Elon Musk, and he drove a Tesla way early way early on when their Teslas weren’t, you know, that many out there. And I was like, well, you got a Tesla. He’s like, yeah. I actually worked for Elon Musk, blah blah blah. And I saw him a couple years later, and I was like, hey. You’re not driving Tesla anymore. He goes, no.
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He goes, I I I don’t work for Elon anymore. I was like, oh, Ai sorry to hear that. What happened? And he goes he goes, well, he’s he works so hard and his expectations were so high. He goes, I was at the hospital with my wife giving shah was giving birth to our first ai, and Elon’s like, I need you in the office.
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Oh, Jesus Christ. He said he said he goes, I I cut I you know, a guy’s got an an incredible work ethic work ethic, but it was too much. He goes, Ai at the hospital. I ai care where where you are. I could dress to work. It’s, like, pretty brutal. That’s brutal.
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Wasn’t he sleeping in the he was sleeping in the
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Sure. Yeah. He ai, sleeping, working 16 hours a day and sleeping on the floor. Wow. Yeah.
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That’s commitment.
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Well, he demands that of other people too. And, you know, maybe you want vatsal, maybe you don’t. And if you don’t, you can’t work there.
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It’s just that simple. Like, if
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you want that, hop on in. If you’re a single guy and you don’t have a wife
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and you don’t
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have children Yeah. But if you do, oh, boy, that’s not a life for that’s not a life for me. I don’t want that job.
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I think the closest thing to a spaceship on wheels is a Tesla.
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Oh, they’re amazing.
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Pretty remarkable.
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I’ve had 3 of them. This is my 3rd.
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The acceleration is It’s incredible. It’s it’s like a gut punch.
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Yeah. I mean, they’re getting better. They’re getting the the autonomous driving is incredible now.
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I remember when somebody said to meh, they’re like, you know, step on it, you know, show me the acceleration, and I I stepped on it, a model 3 performance, and, Seems fake. I got nauseous. Yeah. I I wasn’t quite ready. I was I had, ai, I turned myself a little sideways or something. I I felt nauseous. I was like, wow.
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I’m riding motorcycles. I would do all this. I was like, you know, but I it’s like, now I prepared myself for that. That’s really fast. It’s super bike fast.
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It’s crazy fast. And it can actually the beautiful thing is you can merge on the ai, and you don’t seem like a douchebag because you’re not ai it’s not, like, really loud.
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Just super quiet. Quiet. All stealthy.
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Yeah. Because all of a sudden it’s going a 100 miles an hour. Like, what happened?
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Yeah. I remember I got a ticket years ago on a ai, and I the guy that bought the bike was had a loud exhaust pipe, which I ended up getting rid of. I didn’t like the loud exhaust pipe. It’s too loud. And I got pulled over, and the cop never even saw me. He just heard me, and he wrote me up exactly how fast I was going. He’s like, you’re doing ai to 35. I’m like, I was? He’s like, oh, yeah.
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I could hear you. I was ai, I went through the years, and I put a quiet. So, yeah, that’s, quiet is nice. Quiet has its benefits. And it
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well, it doesn’t in a ai, though. You wanna be out of sight.
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You That’s true. But I drive like the invisible man when I’m on a motorcycle. You have to. Yeah. You you I’ve had people look me right in the eyes and I’ve they pulled right out in front of me.
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People want to.
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People want to. T Bone,
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sideswiped. And also people are ai
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They don’t How many people are medicated? I don’t think they see you as a threat. I think they see us like, oh, you’re almost like a gnat or something. I’ve learned and I tell people that ride Mars. I’ve been riding bikes for 50 years. As soon as you get on that bike, you become the invisible man. Right?
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Right.
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Pretend no one could see you.
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That no one can see you. You’ll live a lot longer. Yeah. You can make eye contact with somebody. It doesn’t mean they see you.
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Right.
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I’ve had people pull out in front of me. Like I said, I’ve been t boned and all kinds of crazy accidents over the years.
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I wish they weren’t so dangerous because I would love to drive one.
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Oh, they’re amazing. I know. You just have to be like I said, you just,
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you know Yeah. Until you’re not. I had 3 friends. I I was I was getting my motorcycle sai. Yeah. So I was doing it was a while ago. 10 years? So it was a couple of us that worked on Fear Factor, a couple of the guys that worked on meh, we all decided to go and take lessons together and, shout out to Peter Hershko.
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And, he wound up getting his ai, he kept driving it and, but one of the guys we worked with, he crashed his bike and fucked up his shoulder. And then one of the guys who was fighting for the UFC, Frank Meh, he got hit by a car. He got, t boned and ran into his femur, snapped his femur, and he almost lost his leg. His leg was and it fucked up his career for years.
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So there was that, and then, I saw a guy on the highway that was covered in a blanket.
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Oh, god. Yeah.
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He was ai. You could sai, but his his leg was so fucked up that they covered in a blanket sai the ai wouldn’t rubberneck it. There’s 3 of those, and then another friend of mine saw someone get hit, saw someone get rear ended, someone not paying attention in their car, rear ended a ai, and had the guy ai through the air at a red light.
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So that was enough for me.
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Yeah. I know. I became a dad, and I had 2 motorcycles right before I became a dad, and I sold them. And then after 10 years, I was like, maybe I can get just ai a dirt bike? Because I really enjoy riding. There’s nothing like it being on a ai. So Imagine
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you get a dirt bike that a mountain lion takes you out.
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Goddamn it. I have
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a dirt bike with a motor. Yeah. But even with a motor. Ai don’t know if a mountain lion would be scared of a motor. Yeah.
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I’d be able to outrun it, but I think that’s the ai way we’re
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ai. Yeah. Most of the time, they kill ai.
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It’s it’s nuts.
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Yeah. So so let
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me ask your honest opinion. I know we’re wrapping up here.
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Okay.
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If you had to say whether you believed or you didn’t believe and look. You can’t make any any definitive statements. I get that. But you’re a very influential individual who’s done more for the push for disclosure. I hate to use the word disclosure. It’s got a bit of a buzz, a bit bit of a connection to it. A push for government transparency on this topic. Right?
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If you had to say something truly inexplicable that most likely would lead to NHI or nonhuman intelligence or not conventional, what would you pick ultimately that you think there is possibly a nonhuman intelligence behind this or that there is not?
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I wish I could be definitive like that.
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I know you can’t be definitive.
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I don’t
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I mean I
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ai to I just try to stay as open minded on this as possible, which means I fluctuate back and forth to fully from fully believing to fully believing it’s some military experiment and that it’s a bunch of our stuff. But then there’s stories ai the things like the Tic Tac and that where you go, okay, 2,004?
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How how
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do they how could they do that in 2004? Is there a propulsion system available in 2004 that’s that far advanced? And if so, how come there’s so little evidence of it in, like, in in in a practical use? Like, how come that technology you would think that technology would take so much money to develop that you would do something with it in 20 years.
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You wouldn’t just have it and just be flying it around like a drone every now and again. Yeah. It would seem like there would be some sort of a practical application for something like that.
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Yeah.
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And it would seem like like the Manhattan Project and like the stealth bomber. Eventually, you find out that it’s a real thing. Right? So 20 years is a long time to not find out that something’s real.
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Well, how ai how about if we take it up to a lot longer than that? What about the Sure. Oh, yeah. Ai 1952, 2 consecutive weekends in July over the White House and the Capitol. Yeah. And, that was we had a press conference about that. Sure.
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I mean
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guy in general that basically admit that they’re real.
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Kenneth Arya, you know, Donald Fortson.
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That was phenomenal. Yep.
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And then you gotta go to the the Bhagavad Gita. You know. Oh. Like, there’s there’s stories of things.
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The historical stuff is incredible, isn’t it?
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Like, think of the guy that showed up with the blue skin. Is that an angel? Is that a devil? Like, what if if you were living 4000 years ago, you’re one of the people that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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He’d be a god.
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Yeah. What is that? What what is that visitation that you’ve experienced?
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With a craft, it would be Yeah. It would be Right. Connected with a god. Right?
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Right. And also the story, when you tell the story, like, what is this and then someone illustrates it. What does it even how does it even relay in words, especially you’re using the words of 4000 years ago? What what are you describing? And if they really have always been here and they’ve always been visiting us, that’s probably how you would describe it.
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You would describe it like Ezekiel did in the Bible.
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Yeah. Well, you know, I was in Africa investigating the the alleged landing and closing kind of the 3rd kind at Rua Zimbabwe Aerial School in 1994. I wasn’t there in 94. I was there much later. And the teacher, Judy Bates, who’s now the head principal, and, she was sharing with me these drawings that children did of the alleged creatures.
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And they were amazing, these drawings, big eyes and, big heads, almond shaped eyes, blah blah blah. And I’m looking at these drawings one after the other from all these school children. It was phenomenal, and she gave no. I took photographs of them. And then a month later, I went to Australia, and I was investigating an alleged landing that happened at Westall Primary School in 1966. And, that was that was incredible.
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I was there investigating, and Ai showing some of the drawings of the aliens that I the alleged aliens that I just had investigated in Africa. And, some of the people were like, oh, wow. These drawings are amazing. They look like the Wandjina cave art. I was like, the what? The Wandjina cave arya.
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The aboriginals drew these things, and so they pulled it up, Wandjina. And the the parallel of their 1000 of years old. Right? These cave paintings in in Australia. The parallels, the consistencies, the the the it was the comparison of the 2 was like
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Let’s take a look at those real quick.
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Yeah. Look up one one gene
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that before we leave.
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Cave painting, UFO or alien. One one
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gene. Likely something there. I just don’t know. And if it’s a thing. So let’s say if it’s a real thing. Is it from another planet or is it more complicated than that?
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I think it’s more complicated than that.
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Yeah. Well, that’s jock fillets.
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Do you
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see that? Yes. Yeah. Very bizarre. Right?
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Sai mean, look at that one right there with the dark eyes.
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Bizarre. Look at the 3 of them and that the one in the center, Jamie. Yeah. That one. Look how weird that is, man. That’s so fucking weird. Look at
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the one with the dark black eyes right there.
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Pale they are too.
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It’s like Yeah.
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It’s very weird. And
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then there’s that one with the big with the big dark eyes right down. Just go straight down up down. Yeah. Right up to the right. Right there. Look at that.
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Very weird. Very weird. Isn’t that amazing? Very weird how this is 4000 years old and then closing counsels of the 3rd ai, the 19 seventies.
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4000 years old, and I’m telling you Sai could show you the drawings. One of the witnesses,
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Very weird.
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Yeah. It’s just it’s just phenomenal.
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Listen, man. Thank you for everything. Thanks thanks for what you do.
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Thank you so much for having me on.
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My pleasure. But and I mean, you your fucking dogged determination to get this stuff out there. It’s very important.
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You promise you’ll watch the program?
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I will 100% watch it.
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Comment it on.
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Ai will. I will. Thanks, sir.
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02:42:17
Awesome, brother.
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Appreciate it, James. I appreciate
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you sai ai, Joe.
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Thank you. It’s on Amazon, the program. And then, moment of contact is probably available everywhere.
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02:42:26
Yeah. And the phenomenon Yeah. I I know what I saw out of
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the blue. Okay.
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02:42:31
50 years of denial. Oh my god. It goes back.
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Yeah. You’ve been you you’re you’ve been deep in this rabbit hole for a long time, sir. But thanks, James.
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I appreciate it very much. Alright. Bye, everybody.
