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Former Lt. U.S. Navy and F/A-18F pilot Ryan Graves was the first active duty pilot to publicly disclose regular sightings of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. Today, Graves serves as first Chair of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UAP Community of Interest, and is the Director of Business Development at Quantum Generative Materials.
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#2244 – Ryan Graves Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion centers around Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) and the broader implications of technological advancements. The guest, whose background in UAP research is highlighted, discusses the dual conversations of disclosure and discovery. Disclosure involves what the government knows about UAPs and what they might reveal, while discovery pertains to what can be learned publicly outside government control. The guest emphasizes the need for transparency and engagement from the scientific community to remove stigma and advance understanding.
A recurring theme is the rapid pace of technological breakthroughs, likened to a “greatest technological breakthrough” that many are unaware of. The conversation touches on the potential societal impact if full disclosure were accepted, imagining scenarios where government officials openly discuss UAP findings. The guest stresses the importance of leveraging current political opportunities to advance the conversation on UAPs and related technologies.
The episode also delves into speculative technologies like cold fusion, now referred to as low energy nuclear reactions, which are being seriously studied by scientists. The guest questions whether these technologies are being developed in secret labs, as the open-source community lacks resources for such research.
Actionable insights include the need for increased focus and investment in UAP research, engaging the scientific community, and leveraging political opportunities to push for transparency. The overall message is one of urgency and the potential for significant technological and societal shifts if these topics are addressed openly and seriously.
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#2244 – Ryan Graves Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Hello. Good to see you again.
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Nice to see you.
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What is the latest in the world of Ryan? Like, other than the fact that you’re about to have a ai, which congratulations on that.
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Thank you.
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What, we wanted you wanted to talk to me about this drone situation and I’ve become very concerned. I don’t understand what’s going on. I think there’s a bunch of different narratives. Some of them are very scary. The scariest one that I’ve heard is that they’re the drones are looking for gamma radiation because there’s a missing nuke.
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Yeah. Let’s address that first.
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Please.
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So there has been a lot going on. I I I made a a a next post about this yesterday to try to assuage some fears. So I
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saw it, but I purposely didn’t read it because I wanted to I wanted to get it from you.
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Yeah. So, you know, I’ve had the the privilege of interacting with a lot of government organizations over the past few years as I’ve been digging down this rabbit hole. Law enforcement at federal level, DOD, executive branch, legislative branch, and some of the folks that I’ve come in contact with with, they specifically work on weapons of mass destructions.
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Ai. So that’s that’s their job. So if there’s a loose nuke in Ai States, among other agencies, they would be some of the people that would be sitting in a skiff for 24 hours a day ai to figure out where it is and to go get it. Right? And so, you can imagine that would be their number one priority. Right? So I engage with these folks. I asked them, you know, what’s the sense here?
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You know, people are kind of starting to panic a little bit, and this message is getting out there more and more broadly. And they assured me that’s not the case, that there is not a loose nuke or other type of weapon of mass destruction that these objects, whatever they are, are pursuing right now.
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Otherwise, they would be working in a SCIF nonstop to make to make that go away that problem go away. So, you know, that’s part of why I have a a high confidence level that this is not a response to a massive imminent, you know, weapons of mass destruction threat on the eastern seaboard.
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So I I just sana try to dispel that rumor right now. I’ve seen a lot of talk of that ai, and I don’t you know, although this is a, you know, I think a dangerous and and scary situation that’s going on right now, at least from that particular angle, that’s not the indications I’m receiving.
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So how would they persuaded you? Just by saying that’s not the case? Or have they given you any information that leads to this conclusion? Like
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They would be the people actively working it, essentially. Right? So
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And they’re not?
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They’re not working it. Right? So either government is holding back that secret from the direct resources within the government that are responsible for finding these systems
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Mhmm.
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Or they’re not working the issue because there’s an issue there to work.
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So the the thing that I had heard was that it was a missing nuke from Ukraine. And if that was the case, they so what what could they do? Is is any is there any truth to this idea that we have the type of drone capability that we could send these things out and they would search for gamma radiation and they’d be able to find a nuke?
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Is that?
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So there are teams that respond to those types of potential emergencies, typically within the Department of Energy. Having, you know, potentially 100 of drones flying around trying to identify these isn’t necessarily the best way. Gamma radiation is typically well shielded in weapons, and at very high altitudes or even moderate altitudes ai we’re seeing these objects, it would be pretty difficult to detect them.
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And the way that NIST, DOE typically operates in this environment is ground based teams searching for radiation itself. So it’s not necessarily consistent with how they would do it to begin with. And then based off of that other information, that’s what leads me to believe that’s not not the case.
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Well, that makes me feel better because I was freaking out this weekend.
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I think a lot of people were.
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Yeah. I got a couple but it’s one of those things, especially in this day and age with social media. There’s so many narratives that get spread and retweeted and, you know, I know a guy who’s an insider and he says to get out of the East Coast and, you know, head for Nevada or you know, there’s a lot of that shit going on.
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Yeah. There’s a lot of different versions of these drones, and this is what’s weird. If if they weren’t ours, if they’re not ours, you would think that they could just track them and find out, well, where are they landing, who’s got them, how are they being used, is it RFI, like, radio frequency?
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Is it some sort of a different technology that’s allowing them to ai these things? Like, what is
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it? Yeah.
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They’d be able to tune into that and figure it out. Right? So how come no one’s been arrested? How come no one’s been caught? How come they they haven’t, you know, tracked these things down to the source? Yeah.
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So there there’s a lot of good questions there. Let me back up by by starting with the fact that this started about 2 years ago, at least. So
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But now like this?
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A little bit like this.
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Really? In this volume?
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Not in this volume. That’s that’s the differentiator right there. But Mhmm. So Langley Air Force Base, you might be familiar with the fact that they had drone incursions of an unknown type, unknown origin last year.
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Right.
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That happened during about a 2 and a half, 3 week period right before Christmas. Ai? Right where we are now. Mhmm. That also happened the year before over Langley. Unknown objects operating over the base. They couldn’t tell where they’re going. They’re unprepared for them. Same period of ai, 2, 3 weeks before Christmas. This is year 3. Right?
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And they were expecting them to come again for 3rd year in a row over Langley, And there was, you know, some effort before to be able to better understand these when they came back. And they did come back, but they came back in a much wider swath. Right? They now we have them all over New Jersey, all the way up to Massachusetts.
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And it’s hard to tell exactly what the quality of the reporting right now because it seems to be you know, the bigger the story gets, the more people are just looking up and seeing anything and pointing it out. But, you know, there are reports from Texas to Florida to California, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania. I mean, it’s not just New Jersey itself, it seems.
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And even the, Wright Patterson Air Force Base was shut down for a drone incursion just this last Friday, a couple days ago. Sai this isn’t just a a one off event. It it is in the sense that it’s so large and so many people are paying attention to it. But this has been occurring for at least 3 years around military bases, and that’s not that’s nothing to say with the incidents that we were seeing over the eastern seaboard, and other training ranges that fighter fighter pilots were seeing as they were doing their operations.
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So I’m a little hesitant to link it to that, the full story that we’ve been having here, this full conversation, but at least for 3 years, this has been occurring. So, you know, ai getting back to your question, you know, why can’t we do more about it? It’s it’s a hard problem, I think, for a number of reasons.
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It’s hard, but it’s very solvable. Right? I think this can be solved. We can solve it. But right now, kind of the word on the street is that these objects appear to be coming from over the ocean. There’s senior congressmen. There’s coast guard personnel.
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There’s law enforcement. They’re seeing a large of these come from somewhere over the ocean. Ai I don’t know if that means necessarily they’re popping out of the water physically or if they’re coming from some unknown location in the water and then proceeding over the coast.
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I don’t know how that relates to Ohio. That’s a pretty long trip, if they are coming over the ocean. And from the videos I’ve seen and the conversation I’ve had, they are detecting these objects, through ai of normal mechanisms ai radar systems, optical camera systems. They are flying very low.
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In some cases, they seem to be operating as a group, in the vicinity of each other, flying past each other, flying very up close to each other, and then proceeding to do whatever they are that they’re doing. It’s an unknown right now if they are emitting energy or not. So, you know, like radio communications or their own, maybe, active sensor systems, it’s unknown.
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I’ve poked on that front, and the best I can tell, the government doesn’t know either.
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That’s sai weird that they don’t know that. Like, it’s just very disturbing that someone could operate these things and have I mean, how many what what is the the estimated number of them?
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That’s a great question. I mean, at this point, I’m I’m comfortable making a guess of probably over 800 or a1000. And And how many of those are sightings of the same object? How many of those are individual objects? How many of those are unique objects that
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Right.
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So it’s it’s tough to say, but this isn’t just a few objects that people are seeing. And so I can imagine some technologies that will allow traditional UAVs or drones to operate without emitting. Right? So they could be, they could have a self contained navigational system. Right? Maybe they have their own onboard maps, and they’re using cameras to map where they are.
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So then they would be completely autonomous. You just send them out there, and they would have a task, and they would go through their whatever their task is and navigate via their GPS or whatever tracking system they’re using.
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Exactly. And then, you know, what is their task? Right?
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Right.
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Is it just to instill panic and fear? Is it because they’re sensing something? And if they are sensing something, they would have to be using what’s called passive sensors. Right? So, like, a camera system is passive. But if you’re shooting a, you know, a radar out and having it bounce off of something that’s active, right, and that’s easier to detect than a passive system.
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So I could imagine, you know, a fully self contained autonomous drone system that is doing something potentially with passive sensors that allows it to operate without missions. It’s just gonna make it harder to track.
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If they’re doing it at night, the if they do have passive systems ai some sort of an optical system, wouldn’t that be hindered by the low light conditions? Or do we have stuff that is able to detect whatever they’re looking for at night?
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Yeah. Depends what they’re looking for, but, ultimately, there is tech. There’s electro optical systems. There’s infrared camera systems, not unlike the jets that or the systems that we had on on my jet. But we were able to detect these objects with infrared when we were flying off the Eastern seaboard.
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There are a number of reports from law enforcement that their infrared systems are not able to pick these objects up. And not just this year, but also, the incidents over Langley last year, the pilots that responded to that incident, I’ve spoken to them, they weren’t able to lock these up with their infrared systems either.
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So they do seem to be exhibiting some type of, signature management.
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That’s interesting. So is the signature management some so is it a heat signature that they’re giving off? So maybe there’s some sort of a cooling mechanism inside of these things? Like, how if they have a propulsion system so you would imagine it’s some sort of an electric engine. Right?
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Mhmm. Because a
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lot of them are very quiet. That’s gotta be giving off some ai of heat. Right?
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Yeah. And that goes to some, like, very base physics. Right? Like Yeah. We create heat whenever we have, you know, stored energy and we utilize it. So to be able to to mitigate that to such a degree that you can’t even detect them at all, you know, it’s it’s pretty tough. I mean, I can imagine you can you can reduce your signature.
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We do it in fighter jets, right, through ai of just like baffles where we cover the engine essentially to make it harder to sai. But to have 0 ability to detect or lock onto these objects is not a technology I’m familiar with.
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So other than that, are they exhibiting any type of movement that’s extraordinary or the their ability to turn angles? Is is there anything about them that points to this being superior technology?
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You know, it’s tough to sai. Based on what I’ve seen just in in the public from from reports and kinda amateur photographers or witnesses. Some of them do seem to be making pretty sharp turns. I wouldn’t call them, like, physics breaking turns, but they don’t seem to be operating like a normal aircraft.
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Right? So they’re down low. They’re making what appeared to be pretty high g turns, maybe, like, 3, 4, 5 g turns, at relatively low air speak, which is indicative of them having a pretty significant power supply. Right? Anytime you turn like that, you’re burning energy, essentially.
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So for them to be able to make these high g maneuvers and then remain in the area for another 5 or 6 or 7 hours and still have the battery life or whatever’s propelling them to then go over the ocean to a point where they’re untrackable, Again, I I I’m not really familiar with that type of capability either.
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I know they’ve shot at least one of them down or people shah. Have you seen the video? It looks like cops are shooting them down with shotguns in New Jersey.
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I did see one video like that. I wasn’t even sure how real it was.
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I don’t hope it’s real. It seems I know because it’s like, hey, meh. When you shoot up, those boats land somewhere, you know, they can land on people.
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Yeah. Yeah. I’ve, you know, I’ve heard multiple people, representative officials saying, like, ai, government needs to step in and start being more clear because people are just gonna take matters out of their own hands. That’s where people get hurt.
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Well, there’s also been downed ones. Right?
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I’ve heard rumors of downed ones, but
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I haven’t video footage and there’s there’s people driving in their car and cop cars are surrounding this thing.
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That was a plane.
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It was a plane? I think
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that was a plane crash.
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Oh. Yeah. I think if the that’s the one you’re referring to, there happened to be a, like, a small plane crash.
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Can you find that one, Jamie?
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Yep. Yep.
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Okay. But, again, this is the problem with social media, especially with someone like me who’s just kinda scrolling for 5 minutes ago. What the fuck? And then, like, you know, my kids ask me something. I gotta get out of the house. Alright.
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Let me
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put my phone down. You know, sai I’m I haven’t done any kind of a deep dive, and I did that purposely just to try to pick your brain. Is this one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That’s definitely a plane. Yeah. Is that the one? Yeah.
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When they were
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when they were driving by, they’re like, look at the drones shah down. Right.
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But That might be the one that I saw. I did watch a video. Did you see the video of the plane that crashed in, Texas?
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I don’t know.
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Pretty crazy. I’ll send you that. But it’s unrelated, but
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We need to get Elon Musk to have, like, a special UAP task force within the community knows.
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Ai is look, he’s oddly sly about this stuff. He, you know, outwardly dismisses UFOs. You know, he said, well, for there, they’re very subtle.
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One might expect that, but
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okay. But I just feel like with his contracts with NASA and being involved in SpaceX, he can’t talk crazy.
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Yeah.
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He talks crazy so much about other stuff, but when it’s in this, you know, fucking multi multi $1,000,000,000 company that he runs, I don’t think he can fuck around. Yeah. Ai don’t think he can you know, if it was something that he had no just no interest in vatsal in terms of, like, financial interest and business interest.
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I’m sure he would be commenting on it, but he’s not commenting on it at all, which makes me go, you ai, and I don’t think he’s gonna tell meh. I don’t think I’ll call him up because I got a big mouth. I think he knows. I’ll be out here talking about ai guy I know.
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Can’t tell you.
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Yeah. It’s, the the thing that disturbs me not is not just that this is happening. There’s so many groans and all these people are seeing them. It just it’s happening for so long and nothing has been done. There’s no, you know, they’re not scrambling jets to try to meet these things and follow them and track them. They’re not shooting them down.
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They’re not it’s just there’s it we appear so vulnerable because of this. Because if these are ours or if these are people just fucking around and it’s not a threat, okay, great. But why is it why is it so prevalent? Like, why are there so many of them? And why have why have there been nothing that these people that arya trying to investigate this have been able to do that’s effective to put a stop to this?
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So there’s there’s some laws in this country that are a little bit antiquated when it comes to dealing with situations like this. So my understanding is right now, these things are operating mostly in what’s called class g airspace, which is really low. It’s away from airports. Not all, of course. Right?
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They’re over bases. So
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Over LaGuardia.
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Yeah. Yeah. But here here’s here’s, I think, where a lot of the trouble’s coming in from. I think the government has to make the presumption at this point based off the feedback from the DOD and others that if this is not a foreign adversary, then we have to make the assumption that it’s a US citizen that’s operating these.
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Because of that, they essentially need a warrant in order to wiretap these.
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What? Yeah. Even with the Patriot Act?
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That’s the feedback I’m receiving. That’s the legal limitation.
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They don’t even need a warrant to get into my phone. Fuck out of here. I don’t buy that.
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Well, whether it’s the reality situation or not, that’s how they’re proceeding. Right? And so to overcome that, you know, there’s, like, a 120 page report that needs to be filed all the way up to the deputy attorney general of Ai States in order to even intercept these signals that they may or may not even be emitting to be able to determine where they’re going.
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And so I think that’s one part of what’s, like, slowing down this whole investigation. On the other hand, for base commanders, they have limited authorities protect their base. But when they do, they need to submit basically a request all the way up to the secretary of defense. Alright.
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So now you have this, like, super politically charged situation with a lot of risk of objects flying over the US. If they take action and shoot one of these down, even with this the secretary of defense’s permission, you know, they’re on the hook if that thing takes out a school bus or otherwise damages someone’s property.
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Or kills somebody. Yeah. Jamie, can you research? Can you just do a quick search? Have there been drones that have been shot down?
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Ai was. I was I didn’t I haven’t seen anything. I was, the there’s a story from what today is this? 2 days ago, New Jersey lawmakers were having a press conference asking if the government could shoot 1 down so they can inspect it. Sai, like, I’m assuming they haven’t shot one down if they’re asking
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to
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shoot one down that that day. You know? I hear something new that Ai don’t know if it’s even worth bringing up, but this is a new story going on. They said this might be what some of this has to do with. I don’t even know if this
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Missing radioactive yeah. Material? Scroll up a little bit higher so I could see who put that up there.
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Oh, there’s a few people that have posted it.
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Okay. Yes. I did see that. I did see that. While looking at Nuclear Regulatory Commission alerts, one confirmed there’s a radioactive material that has gone missing on December 2, 2024 out of New Jersey.
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Ai guess it was being shipped there, and it didn’t make a container ai damaged and empty.
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Well, my understanding is these sightings started around November 18th.
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Yeah. So I saw the November 20th too. So I don’t know if that that makes it related. But
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So we should explain to people that didn’t listen to our first podcast, why you’re uniquely qualified to talk about this stuff. Could you just please tell people your background sai they understand what you used to do and Yeah. How you got involved in this whole UAP thing in the beginning?
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Yeah. Absolutely. Sai, formally trained aerospace engineer in college, joined the navy immediately after with the hopes to go fly fighter jets, for the navy. Was successful in doing that, and I I flew the f 18 Super Hornet for 11 years and two deployments, primarily operating off of Virginia Beach.
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And, pretty pretty standard career, until about 2013 or so when we started to we came back from our deployment. We began to upgrade our radar systems. And when that happened, we we put in essentially a much more powerful radar into our jet. It took about 8 months. So you’d have you know, you might fly with a, newer radar in the morning, maybe an older radar at night.
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And consistently, when we were flying with these newer radars, we were picking up a bunch of objects that were operating in our working area that we weren’t seeing with the older radar. They were performing in strange ways. They would be stationary. They would be, around 250 to 350 knots, kind of meandering around the area.
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Not really working together per se, but kinda clearly operating in the same vicinity as one another. Right? So we weren’t flying in formations necessarily, and we’d even see these supersonic as well. 1.11.2 Meh, typically heading east. And we’d only see them over the water.
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We originally thought they were radar errors. Right? Some kind of software glitch. But, eventually, we started to correlate these across other sensors such as our IR FLIR system. Our missile system would lock onto these, and we would, we ai to fly up to them to see them physically with our eyeballs.
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And when we do that, we wouldn’t see anything. We come within about 500 feet of these objects. All our sensors are pumped into our helmet, augmented reality ai, and it would tell us exactly where to look. And boom, we come right past this object, and there’d be nothing there. We’d circle back around and then pick it back up on our sensors.
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It would be slightly displaced, but, that was ai of status quo for a few weeks until we had a a near miss with one of these objects right at the entrance to our working areas. The pilot came back, canceled the flight, had a look of shock on his face, and described as a dark gray or a black cube inside of a clear sphere.
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And once that happened, we kinda had to come together as a squadron with the safety officer in our squadron and say, hey. You know, like, k. What’s going on? This sai ai been rumor and conjecture, but, you know, we almost had a near miss year. It was lost in aircraft.
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You know, let’s gather as much information as we can. As it turned out, there are 4 other near misses that had occurred in the past month that pilots were too uncomfortable to even report. And that really kinda kicked off the seriousness of this issue for us, and we started filing paperwork, safety reports, and hoping and expecting that this would get resolved in some way as, you know, the proper people, whoever that was, got these reports, and they could mitigate it in some way.
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That never happened, at least from our perspective. So we essentially treat them as as safety issues. We would avoid them. We wouldn’t fly close to them. And then in 2015, we left to, go go do what’s called a, a pre deployment workup cycle aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt. So we train like we play.
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You get the whole air wing there, 30 jets, 40 jets, and we’re doing these very complex missions. And there were a lot of objects down there as well. They either followed us down there or they were already there. And,
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was there a lot of visual sightings of these objects, or is it just equipment?
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A lot of visual sightings.
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Is it the same sort of thing, a circle with a square inside of it?
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Or or solid spheres. Some elongated spheres, kinda more Tic Tac shape, if you will. And during that workup cycle, that’s when we recorded what’s now known as a Gimbal and Go Fast video. And they almost had to shut the entire exercise down because there were multiple near misses while we were trying to do this.
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And this is this is a big deal. If they cancel that training mission, that means the people that are deployed since since you have to be there longer, they have to wait longer. So there’s a lot of downstream effects. So pretty big deal to even consider canceling a a training, a training, exit you know, our our training mission like this.
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Sai, again, we, you know, we filed it up. We didn’t know what else to do with it, and we went back to our training, left on deployment. In 2017, a New York Times article came out. I was now an instructor pilot in Mississippi and for the Navy still. And on, you know, front page of New York Times, lo and behold, there are the video of the Gimbal and the Go Fast with the pilot’s audio on there that we’ve heard now.
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And I’m like, holy shit. You know, like, this is still going on massive deja vu as you might imagine. And, that I saw that as, like, a cry for help, essentially, that these videos has now been somewhat smuggled out. They’re on the front page of New York Ai. And
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Do we know how the gimbal or the Go Fast videos got leaked?
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My understanding is that work was done partially with Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon. Sai there was 2 videos that were attached. Right? So when you record in the meh, it records 2 screens. It records Can
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we show those, Jamie?
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Shah those videos. So record these 2 screens. Right? And the bottom screen is ai a God’s eye view with all your radar data, and the right one is your FLIR system. And when you watch that in the brief room after, they’re stitched together, like, side by side. And that, you know, that’s what I sai, and that’s how I built my understanding of this this situation.
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There it is. So with the crosshairs, is that they’re trying to lock in on it? So now they’ve locked in on it. Right?
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Yeah. They weren’t able to gain a lock in their air to air mode, so they actually had to degrade down to a air to surface mode, kind of a manual locking mode. And that’s that box that you see.
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What is the difference? Like
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the air to air mode should essentially be looking exactly where the radar dropping them off and should automatically lock on it. But in in the method that you’re seeing here, the ai manually slewing the sensor. This is kinda like a last ditch effort to get it, and he’s, like, restarting it. And that’s why the box keeps getting bigger, and it’s it’s getting smaller.
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It’s not capturing it.
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What would be the difficulty? Like, why is it difficult to lock on?
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We don’t know. You know, one theory is that it’s because it’s relatively close to the ground, and there’s a lot of background, right, to confuse the sensor. But it’s
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really far off the ocean is this supposed to be?
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It’s somewhere around 10,000 feet or so. So it’s really not that close. So it’s really not a great explanation, but yeah. You can see him try it there.
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Now what do they estimate the size of this thing to be?
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I don’t know if anyone has estimated a size, to be honest. It’s hard you know, the from the pilot’s perspective, they’re not gonna be able to make a real time assessment of the size.
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Because how far above this thing are they?
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Well, they’re about they’re about 5 miles away or so. ai tyler. Okay. So you see the range, 3 point 4 ai there? That range is coming strictly from the AT FLIR sensor itself. It’s not a very reliable indicator of the range. That’s what the radar is for. So although it says about 3.5 ai and then ticks down, it’s probably a little
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bit further away than that. For RNG? Range. So, the speed is is that on there anywhere of how fast this thing is going?
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So you have, 170 vatsal c right below the range. Uh-huh. And that’s indicating, our relative velocity.
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And that’s miles per hour or kilometers?
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It should be knots. So it’s probably, like, a 180, ai miles per hour.
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No heat signature.
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Well, there is a heat differential anyway. So right now, we’re in we’re in white hot. So objects that are white are hotter objects in the background.
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I’ve used, infrared sana, binoculars before. It’s pretty cool. You could see, like, raccoons and shit.
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So that’s showing us that it’s it’s cooler than the surrounding environment for whatever reason. Which is very bizarre. Yeah.
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Something that’s moving a 170 whatever miles an hour.
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Yeah. And it’s Ai just to be clear, the 170 doesn’t represent it’s, like, raw speed.
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This is the gimbal video, which is different.
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Yep.
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And this one, does it show the speed of this? No. I don’t This is the one that rotates.
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Yes.
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And when we’re looking at this signature, when we’re looking at the the the does that represent something that’s cooler than the outside area or or hotter? Like, what does that represent?
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So this this one’s black hot. So this was this is showing us that it’s hotter than the surrounding areas right now.
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And would this be similar to what you would see if you saw a jet that was flying?
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No. Ai mean, we’ve seen thousands of aircraft like that.
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But, I mean, in terms of the signature that it gives off with the temperature, or would you be able to see a visible means of propulsion that would be, accentuated?
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Yeah. You would see the exhaust coming out of the back. You’d be able to see the skin of of the aircraft itself. So the sensor is not great, but it’s good enough where you can break out some pretty good detail on a jet. I mean, it looks like a jet.
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Right. Well, this definitely doesn’t look like a jet. You know, it kinda looks like a flying saucer, and then it turned sideways, which is really weird. What do we is there anything on that that shows the speed?
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The on the bottom left, you see 242 knots. That’s how fast the aircraft that is recording is going. The pilots do talk about how it’s going a 120 knots against the wind. And in my recollection, it was going at a relatively slow speed for a fighter aircraft around a 100 knots or so at those speeds, from looking at the radar data itself.
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So as far as you know, we don’t have anything that moves like that? No. And we don’t have anything that gives off a signature like that? No. No. And were they able to figure out where this is going or keep an eye on it or it was do we have sensors that can detect this for any length of time?
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You would assume that the sensors on the ships themselves, if they were looking there, would be able to detect these objects, but we’re not really linked into those people that are doing that on the boat. The pilots essentially took this upon themselves to go investigate this, and they reported the intel when they came back. And that’s where I saw the tapes.
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Whether they whether, like, the air traffic management guys in the on the boat themselves then took it upon themselves to go try to detect these objects, I don’t have that information. I I was never in that information ram, but presumably they would.
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Is is there a capability where so if a fighter jet locks in on something like that, is there an additional source of some sort of satellite that they can to team into or tune into where they can give them the coordinates and say, hey, this is at this exact cord that it’s moving at this speed. Can you guys lock into that?
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No. Not within the jet itself. We can share the data amongst jets. So if you were flying out there and the aircraft that recorded that video was getting shah on the radar, that information be gets will be getting sent to other jets in the area. There was a large training mission going on.
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31:07
I’m not aware of anyone that, you know, was paying attention to those contacts that were, say, 50 miles away from where they were doing this fight. But it shouldn’t have been just self contained into the aircraft itself. And, additionally, that information should have also been received by the ship itself. Right?
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They should have access to the same information that’s being
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shared here. What I was getting to. Like, can the ship itself then lock in the coordinates with the satellite or do we have that kind of capability?
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We don’t as pilots, we don’t really get into the satellite game, if you will. You know, it’s ai like a different level than how we operate. So it’s it’s feasible that a ship might call in other national assets to investigate, but we operate as, like, a self contained expeditionary group.
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So I don’t know if that’s part of their protocol.
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So they wouldn’t even refer to you or discuss it with you?
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Yeah.
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Did anybody discuss any of these things with you? Like, when when you’re talking about the safety hazard, you know, you’ve got this clear circle with a black square inside of it and they’re flying in this very unusual way. When you ai it to people, what’s the feedback?
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Honestly, most people just kinda looked off in the space. Really?
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Yeah. Like, that’s interesting. That’s fucking weird.
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Yeah. Did they
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give you the impression that this is not surprising?
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Only once. So when we had the gimbal captured and just real quick, you know, the gimbal and the go fast happened within minutes of each other. Wow.
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Oh. The gimbal Two different things, but they happen within minutes of each other.
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The or the go fast, there was multiple objects in a line formation called line of breast. Right. How ai? Side by sai. 4. They’re about a mile apart flying in formation, doing what they’re doing. The pilots were looking at that, had a hard time walking it, and then they ai brought their attention up to this other object that’s basically co altitude with them, and that’s the gimbal video.
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And behind the gimbal, there was a what they refer to as a fleet of objects, about 4 to 6 objects that were flying in a formation, like a tight formation, all within about a half a ai and a half of each other in in a, you know, like a v formation. And so they come, they turn, they get all discombobulated, and then they flow back out into a clean formation making a 180 degree turn.
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And then the gimbal object, which we see start to rotate, that’s moment it actually changes direction. Right? So it’s proceeding behind this formation. It turns. The gimbal does its kind of, you know, its maneuver, and then it starts trailing in the opposite direction.
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So you got, you know, maybe 10, 12 objects that are out there operating in this area. East of the ship, we’re already 300 miles out there. And so where did they come from? You know, what are they doing? Are they are they assessing our fight? Are they, enemy combatants?
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You know, it’s it’s you know, for me, this is the conversation that I’ve been trying to have for almost 10 years now about the seriousness of having these unknown objects in our airspace. It’s a security risk whether, you know, they come from little green men or whether they come from our adversaries or if they’re just remain unknown.
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And that’s kind of the state we’re living in right now with what’s happening over New Jersey and elsewhere. We’re having this massive uncertainty about what these objects are. There’s a lot of rumors. It’s causing fear and panic. And once again, the Biden administration and the Pentagon are unwilling to have a conversation with the American people and share what information they have.
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Why do you think that is if you had to speculate?
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The biggest probability is they don’t know.
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Mhmm.
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Ai? If this is something that, you know, they’ve been struggling with for all these years and suddenly it’s happening in a much larger capacity than it has in the past, they’re not easily able to write it off, and they just don’t have the answers. Or perhaps they do have the answers, but they fall under a category of information meh like these objects that they’re not willing to have a public conversation about it.
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What is the best footage of the New Jersey drones? Do we why New Jersey, by the way?
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I don’t know. A lot of shipping.
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Also military base. Right? Outside of Bell Labs, there’s a military base and, like, what else? The proximity in New York City, I guess?
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New York, DC. Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of big cities right there.
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Yeah. All all pretty close. Ai only seen a few interesting videos, and we’re in this new realm, of uncertainty when it comes to AI and it comes to computer generated images and video. It’s ai I’ve seen sai many I’ve seen meh. I’ve seen Ai seen so much stuff that’s not real. I’m like, okay, I don’t know what’s real anymore.
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It’s like especially when it comes to something that’s ai of blurry. It’s in the sky and you got people on the ground. I’ve seen so many fake ones.
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Mhmm.
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You know, there’s just so many ones that people have generated. You know, I’m friends with Jeremy Corbel and Jeremy, I always send him like, what the fuck is this? You know, I’ll send some stuff to him. Is this bullshit? And, you know, he’s very good at ai, we don’t really know. I ram very suspicious because of this.
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This is what we know. Like, let me send you some things that I know are, not fake, but we don’t still don’t know what they are and see the difference. And so we’ll have these long conversations and text message or phone calls about stuff like that, but no one seems to be able there’s not ai one person you can go to.
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I mean, you have your people that are dismissing everything. Ai think it’s just hobbyists and crazy people, but if they’re not giving off signatures, like, that are standard with these normal drones, like these heat signatures, and they’re able to stay in the sky for hours and hours at a time, just that alone points to at least if it’s not our adversaries, if it’s if it’s domestic, superior technology that we’re not even aware of right now.
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How I mean, how are they staying in the sky for 5 hours? Like, what is the if you meh, like, a top of the food chain drone and who was it that is explaining to us the issue with, why China has superior drone technology? It has something to do with FAA. Was it Andreessen?
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I don’t remember.
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Well well, someone was explaining the reason why most of these, like, high end it might have actually been a green ram conversation.
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Yeah. But I still remember talking about now.
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Yeah. So that the FAA and the rules and regulations have sort of stifled the development and, the improvement of these domestic drones.
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Yeah.
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And so most of the hobbyist drones are coming from Ai. And China, if you haven’t seen, has fucking incredible displays of drones. Yeah. Those are multi. Yeah. Where they do ai a dragon in the sky. It’s amazing, and it is because of regulations. It’s because of the FAA dragging their heels, being incompetent, or at least being overwhelmed where this has not been able to progress domestically the way it’s been able to do in China.
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And so it’s that alone seems like a giant security threat. The fact that China has had just full integration with the government and been able to have this technological innovation that allows their drones to be, like, super powerful. Ai, what what they’re able to do with these displays in the sky, unbelievable. Like, really wild stuff to see.
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That seems like many, many leaps above what we can do.
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And, you know, it the, you know, the the faux firework displays that these things put on are just one part of the puzzle. Right? Because Right. Warfare is changing. It’s changing drastically, and this is, you know, something I’ve tried to raise the alarm bells on before the Ukraine war, but we’re seeing it now.
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You know, warfare is going to these highly mobile, nontraditional platforms where you can have, you know, a group of guys that are, you know, basically teenagers now going out and conducting operations with these small drones. And, you know, god forbid that an adversarial nation is now employing those technologies here in the United States.
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And if it was Russia, if it was China and they were doing it directly, that’d be the equivalent of a declaration of war. I mean, they’re essentially invading our our land. Right? Is there, you know, some avenue where they might be hiring criminal gangs in some way to do this in order to create a level of, deniability for them?
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I don’t know, but I’m certain that China and other nations are watching this unfold very carefully and detecting the gaps in our homeland defense systems. Mhmm. Right? I mean, this is this is a major issue. War is changing.
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And there are a lot of companies that, you know, within the private sector and, of course, within, you know, the normal, you know, defense contractor world that is building capabilities to be able to detect and mitigate drones, whether it’s kinetically or through electronic warfare.
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But we’re not employing those. And, oh, by the way, the electronic warfare measures that have been employed employed against the New Jersey drones have been ineffective.
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Mhmm.
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So they have tried to take these out with nonkinetic options, disabling their navigational systems. Otherwise, trying to fry them, bring them down has not been effective.
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That’s not good. No. No. That’s very concerning. So, is there any good footage that you could point to?
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Well, I don’t I I don’t even know where to look. I’ve looked there’s people on the news that have reported it, but the one clip I was looking at, they’re just showing a plane. So, like, that’s not good. I’ve I just found one where but it looks like a guy in the woods. I don’t know what the video is. You know?
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Yeah. That’s the problem.
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When they
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took it.
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I don’t
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know when they shot it. They’re saying it was last night, but it it could’ve could’ve been Right.
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Yeah. It could be bullshit. But this is part of the problem with this weird world that we’re living in right now with, fake information. Mhmm. It’s so difficult to figure out what the hell is going on. Did I send you that video, Jamie, of that guy in, where he’s a CEO of a drone manufacturing company? This is the guy that made me the most nervous.
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I’ll send it to you right now. This guy made me the most nervous because this guy is talking about how this, whatever the hell this stuff is, he believes is looking for a nuke. I’ll send this to you, Jamie. To the
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thing you tweeted?
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No. Okay. Did I?
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I don’t know. Maybe. This ai.
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CEO of drone manufacturing company who has government contracts. But the people you’re talking to don’t say it’s this. So listen to what this guy is saying.
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Joe of Saxon Aerospace, here in in Wichita, Kansas. I’m not normally a TikTok kind of a guy. I like watching this stuff every every once in a while. But I’m a manufacturer of, unmanned aircraft, military grade unmanned aircraft, as you can see one of my systems here. There’s all of these mysterious drones going on off the East Coast.
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And as a as a professional, as a subject matter expert, I wanted to give you all my opinion on what I think could be going on with these drones. I don’t particularly believe that these have a nefarious intent. I I could be wrong, but I wanna give you the truth and what I believe.
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It’s my own opinion, and I’ve not bounced this off of anybody. So, you know, if you think it’s bullshit, whatever, that’s cool. You know? I I don’t wanna spread misinformation as we know that there’s a lot of that going around. But, anyway, back in the 19 eighties, Ronald Reagan had dismantled the, nuclear program.
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And there were, with Russia, there were countless, nuclear missiles that were that were disarmed and disposed of. Well, there were over 80, I believe. There were over 80, nuclear warheads that were in Ukraine that came up missing. Okay? We don’t know where they are.
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Maybe somebody does, but nobody really knows where these are. And Ai, you know, I speak with some pretty high level government officials on this stuff, and it seems as though that is the case. So I spoke to a gentleman, a few months ago who was trying to raise an alarm to the highest levels of our government, which they had their ears closed, about this one particular nuclear warhead that he physically put his hands on.
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He physically touched this warhead that was left over from Ukraine. And he knew that that thing was headed towards the United States. Okay? That is a very serious deal. And everyone knows that the United States government, this administration, is pushing to get into a war with Russia. We all know that. We all feel it.
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We all see it. Okay? We’ll back up a few years. Do you all remember when those drones were mysteriously flying across the interstate seventy corridor from Colorado up into Nebraska, down here into Vatsal, and out into Missouri. Well, it was believed that those drones were looking for radioactive material because there had been some material that come up missing here in the United States, and they felt like it was, high probability that it would the nuclear or the radioactive material would be taken along the interstate 70 corridor heading east or west or south.
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So I from what we understand, they were out there trying to find this radioactive material. Now drones, they have no reason to be in the air at night unless you’re doing some type of ISR work, intelligence surveillance reconnaissance, you know, looking for bad guys or looking for a victim, a search and rescue victim, or law enforcement, or some type of military project.
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Right? There’s no reason for a drone to be flying at night, really. Okay? Because they don’t see shit. So, you know, unless you have thermal optics, drones really don’t see stuff. You need to do mapping during the day.
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If you’re gonna do farming stuff, mostly do it during the day. The only reason why you would ever fly an aircraft, an unmanned aircraft at ai, is if you’re looking for something, whether it be a person or trying to smell gas. We have methane gas detecting ai systems, that can that can detect gas leaks in pipelines.
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You really wouldn’t use thermal optics for trying to find gas leaks just simply because the only way you’re actually gonna find a gas leak with thermal optics is if the gas leak is aggressive enough that it has a difference in temperature. Because radio, thermal imaging, it it creates a digital image based off the temperature variance. So whatever is different in temperature, it creates an image.
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Gas usually, gas leaks so slow that it goes quickly into ambient beef you know, before you can even see it. So we have special sensors that can detect gas leaks. We also have special sensors that can detect radioactive material. So, with this gentleman that I had speak with who was trying to raise the alarm to try to get somebody in the government to say, hey.
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We need to work together to go try to find this nuclear warhead. None of that ever happened. They knew that warhead was on its way to the United States. That’s all that ever came of it. Nothing ever happened.
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This government did not do anything at all to help this gentleman raise the alarm and raise awareness that there is a very, deadly weapon on its way to the United States.
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Keep going.
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No. It Well, go ahead. Unless maybe he’s got something else. I
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when I was looking this up, we have 6 nuclear heads that we’ve lost, the United States has. One of them has been gone for, like, 71 years
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or something like that. Wonderful. Didn’t know that. Wonderful. Yeah. Maybe they’ll find them. I mean, they should probably just sai couple in the bottom of the ocean somewhere someone’s gonna find.
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Yeah. I’m sure they’re sitting there.
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I mean, wasn’t there ai a Russian submarine that sank and they lied to us about it? And wasn’t that can neither confirm nor ai? Isn’t that where that came from?
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I’m not familiar. Is that
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Yeah. That was from a radio lab podcast. The term neither saloni neither confirm nor deny was one of those things where they had to answer a question, but they didn’t want to answer it. So they said we can neither confirm nor deny.
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That’s the answer. Yeah.
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Sai that has become a way. Yeah. The Glomar response refers to covert CIA operation where shah named the Hughes Glomar Explorer was used to recover a sunken Soviet submarine. When questioned about the operation, the agency responded with can neither confirm nor deny. Implication when someone says can either confirm nor deny, they’re essentially saying they cannot provide any information on the matter, leaving the question unanswered.
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So they answered it without answering it because they were compelled to answer, and they said we can either confirm nor ai, which is interesting. Because, like, if you’re, like, in a senate hearing and someone says something like that, like, what do you Now
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I know you’re being sneaky.
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What did you say? What did you just say?
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What do you
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mean you can either confirm or deny? Shut the fuck up with all those words. You can’t use all those words anymore. You’re being tricky. So I want you to tell me what you know. Say it like that. You know? Tell me what you know. What do you know?
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Well, I mean, watching that video no. I think there’s a few pieces that are still outstanding connections that are outstanding for me. A supposed US citizen physically touched a nuclear weapon that was then lost, and he he knew exactly where it was going somehow.
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Why was he there? Why was he touching it?
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Why was he touching it? Was he Why would you touch it? Was he amongst enemies and they were carting the weapon off? He just got his fingers on it?
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Or He’s not even, like, doing an x-ray. Why is this motherfucker touching nuclear warheads? Jesus.
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And then the jump is that that weapon eventually ended up somewhere on the eastern seaboard, and the people that would be responsible for investigating such an issue are not even aware of it even while somehow our government is flying hundreds of drones around to detect it. So it’s it’s compelling. It’s interesting, but I don’t know if it connects.
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I think there’s a few connections short of being able to say that’s exactly what’s going on here, especially after the conversations I’ve had.
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Yeah. My ai other thought on that would be if you are a military contractor and you design and implement drone systems, how much do they tell you about, like, foreign policy? Ai would they tell you? Why would they tell you about those type of things if you did raise an like, how much information would this guy be privy to?
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Yeah. Very little. It’d be very specific to his actual responsibilities, his engineering work.
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Right. Whereas, like, I can call you, and you actually used to fucking see these things. It’s kind of a different, you know, different connection to the information than this guy has.
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And he seems nervous. You know? I mean Yeah. And Well, he should be. He sai truly believe that. He’s still in the beans.
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Yeah. He’s saying a bunch of stuff that I don’t think you’re supposed to be saying anyway. Like, why are you saying that? Like, I I get if you really did believe that, that you would want everyone to know this is a nuclear warhead missing. But Mhmm. The other thing that I keep hearing is that the government is not telling us that these are ours.
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They are ours, but not telling us that we are we these are ours because whatever they’re looking for would cause mass panic.
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What’s what’s on the on the plate then after weapons of mass destruction?
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Right. Let me yeah. What is on the plate? I mean, in my eyes, nothing. Like, that’s it. Right? That’s that’s the thing that everybody would really be worried about. The second thing would be that our adversaries are using these things to siphon up information, that it’s like some mass Ai router that’s flying over cities and sucking up everybody’s passwords.
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As we move into this new very bizarre realm of, AI and now quantum computing, I had a conversation with someone last night ai was explaining to me how cryptography and encryption and all this stuff is literally on the verge of being obsolete. And that this is gonna put the financial markets into a chaos, all all of your passwords, everybody’s email, everything is out the window. There’s no more encryption.
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It’s not it’s not even gonna be possible. These things are solving Marc Andreessen explained it this sai, that these quantum computers are solving equations that if you took every atom in the universe and converted it into computing power, the time it would take to solve these equations would be longer than the time that the universe would exist before it died of heat death.
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Yep. And they’re able to do it in minutes. So the concept is, and this is where it gets super weird, that this is proof of the multiverse because these computers are using the computing power of perhaps infinite parallel universes simultaneously to achieve these answers, which is, like, what are you saying?
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Like, what what the fuck did you just say? Do you you did you just say that if you took every molecule in the universe and convert it into computing power, it wouldn’t be able to do this? This thing that you have in a fucking warehouse somewhere? That this thing has more computational power in this it’s ai as big as this room than the fucking universe if it was a computer? What are you saying?
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Like and you’re saying this is the proof of the multiverse? What does that even fucking mean? And what happens if China gets this online? If if we’re able to do these, like, equations. Ai? It’s kind of almost ai proof of concept of the technology being efficient or efficacious.
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If they’re able to do that, what if someone is more advanced than us and gets this connected to AI and implements some sort of a strategy for complete global domination of power grids, financial markets, completely takes control of assets, closes down government computers, locks up databases, deletes any information that’s pertinent to who knows what, power grid, fucking infra informational structures ai satellites, cell phones, all our all all of our radio signal, all shuts everything down.
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Yep. It shuts it all down. Like, we’re fucking helpless. Like, most cars have computers in them. Most people don’t even know this.
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Like, your car has a computer in it. When you have a Chevy and you bring it to the dealership, they plug it in to see what’s going on. And the computer in ai, like, if something shuts those off, no cars work.
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Everything’s open at
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the moment. Fucked. The only you have old cars. That’s it. Everybody’s ai Cuba. Everyone’s ai driving around these these ancient Looking for parts. Yeah. I mean, we’d we’d basically have big have to go back to carburetors, All the electronic fuel injection, all that shit done. This is all done.
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My understanding is runs
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on an ECU.
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Ai understanding is that this isn’t this is something China’s been looking forward to. So what I mean by that is that they have not just been working on this technology in order to break our encryption now, but have been storing our encrypted data from in the past such that when they do have that breakthrough, they have a lot of data to be able to utilize it on, not just what’s happening now.
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I know this is absolutely happening because my friend my friend Bobby owns, Dakota, the racetrack in town. And when they had the Formula 1 race at the the at his racetrack, they found these boxes that were connected to their this Ai Fi system, and these boxes were outside. So the public Wi Fi system had been compromised by these data sucking boxes.
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And so they called in Homeland Security, they had them removed the whole deal, but, like, someone had gotten to the racetrack and physically connected these boxes to a public Ai Fi system. How many times is that going on where people don’t notice it? What how this is not the first time they’ve done it. They picked a race in Austin. Yeah.
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We’re gonna get all those fucking race fans, suck up all their data. It doesn’t even make any sense. Right? This is something that’s probably been implemented before. It’s ai, what are they doing with that data?
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I think they typically refer to that as a man in the middle attack. So you think you’re connecting to the regular Wi Fi, but you’re actually connecting to the the adversary’s Wi Ai, sending your data through there, and then they send that to the original box that you thought you’re communicating with.
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And so they get all the information.
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So all your passwords, anything you’re sending. Yeah. Exactly. PayPal. Yeah.
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56:51
That’s how they try to crack the Tor network as well. Really? If you’re familiar with that. Yes. Yeah. By setting up their own servers, essentially, to serve as a meh in the middle attack. But, you know, back to your point about China trying to work on quantum computing on AI, you know, I think China is probably one of the biggest motivating factors that the government has right now for opening up the conversation on UAP.
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Ai? So we haven’t had this peer threat that we have to worry about that has a totally different investment government structure than we have. Right? So in the United States, we have this capitalist arya, and we have innovations that break out through that model ai OpenAI. But there are some capabilities where they are not appetizing to the market itself. Right?
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For example, how do we just suddenly stand up a chip fabrication facility in Ai States that competes with the operations in Ai? Right? It’s not something that a VC is going to invest in. It’s gonna take 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 of dollars. And it could fail. Exactly.
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Like the Samsung one that they put here.
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Exact well, they did that because the government took a new approach. They stepped in and sai, we’re gonna financially support this. We’re gonna open up the piggy banks. We’re gonna help with regulations and laws, and we’re gonna make this happen as soon as practically possible. That’s the model that China uses all the time. Right?
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They see something. They go for it. They invest in money. They invest the resources. There’s a risk with that.
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You could be wrong about the efficacy of the technology that you’re trying to put forward. It could be strategically misaligned. But if China is having the same issues with the UAP that we are having, then you could imagine them putting a lot of resources into better understanding that situation in a way that we’re just not equipped to do.
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Mhmm. And the fact that they this conversation has grown more, that their advancements have been getting better, I think there is this pressure right now within the US government that if we do not further invest, somehow bring in, you know, the primary innovation makers within our economy, within the startup community, within the scientific community into this problem, if it’s still just buried in a classified area, then we’re gonna get out competed by China that is able to dump all these resources into it.
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Well, how do you do that though if you’re you’re if these people that create these things are motivated by money. Right? If they’re motivated by profits, if they run major corporations, like, how can you convince them to invest in something that is ultimately not gonna pay off like it would if you were investing in a consumer product?
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Yeah. I think it can. I mean, we have a model for that Ai States with deep technology and edge technology. You know, these are capabilities that that don’t fit into a normal VC’s life cycle of 5 or 6 years before you’re seeing returns. It might take 10 years before you have a product. Right? And there’s a lot of risk that they could fail along the way.
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But that’s, you know, that’s a that’s where we get a lot of our major innovations from. That’s where we see very exotic technology being worked on, like advanced propulsion, communication systems, energy production. And every one of these has huge potential added value to our economy.
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I mean, to the level that AI has. Right? So, you know, there’s a couple ways you can go about it. You know, you can either create a new investment cycle or or structure that is more tolerant to the risk and more tolerant to, extended time to returns, which, you know, you gotta fight meh market forces with that.
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You could have the government step in, perhaps through the Office of Strategic Capital and others to be able to support venture capitalists that are looking to make investments in these longer term technologies, perhaps in concert with the National Science Foundation that does a lot of work in this arya.
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Or you can try to structure your technologies such that they provide value to existing capabilities during the research and development process. So what I mean by that and, you know, this I’ve been working this problem for 10 years, Joe. Ai Sounds
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like it.
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I’ve thrown my entire self into this. I’ve approached it, you know, with my nonprofit, Meh Intra Sai Aerospace. I’ve been working in the private sector. I’ve been collaborating with government and others. And there is a path where the capabilities to better understand this topic are aligned with our defensive needs. Right?
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If we had total situational awareness of our airspace, that’s a very valuable thing to the Department of Defense, and those are contracts you can win. Those are reasonable investments you can make through normal market forces. And then you keep working to be able to use those existing products in those markets to bring out technology that is related to the UAP topic, whether that be detection, perhaps propulsion, energy, things of that nature.
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So you have to find these core technologies that the government wants that is also aligned with the better understanding of UAP.
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Now the way you’re describing this sounds like it could be done, but China’s already done that. So, like, how far behind the curve are we on the implementation of this technology?
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Well, that it’s an unknown how far China is. You know, there’s there are some some rumors, and I’m I’m not even gonna mention them because they’re too low confidence. But there does seem
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Ai love a good low confidence rumor. Just
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There does seem to be investment that’s been made. There are talk that they are having the same problems and perhaps have been better motivated than we are to investigate ones that they have been able to recover.
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Do you know about the anti gravity lady that went missing, went back to China?
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Ming Li.
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Yeah. What do you what’s your thoughts on that that type of technology?
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It’s interesting. You know, I was I was mentioning this out front with some of the guys earlier. There seems to be this these interesting technologies that were once ridiculed back in the day, whether it be anti gravity, cold fusion, others.
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It’s a good way to get rid of stuff. Ridicule it.
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Yeah. Ridiculous. They did what I’m saying. Familiar with that that strategy. Lab speak.
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They did it with a lot of stuff.
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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And they all just went dark for, like, 30, 40 years, but some of those capabilities seem to be popping back up Right. In mainstream scientific, circles. Have
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you ever heard Eric Weinstein discuss this?
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Mhmm.
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He has some very fucking you gotta get that tinfoil hat really tightly secured to your head. But he believes that this is one of the reasons why physics has sort of stalled over the last 20 years. He thinks some of the best minds have been moved into a project and that it very well might be something along these ai. Mhmm.
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Something along some, like, super advanced propulsion system.
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Mark Anderson had the same conversation with the White House. Right? Talking about classifying AI technology and meh, and then they’ve done it before.
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What is this? Justin, Trump says he’s staying away from his New Jersey golf club amid the drone sightings. The government doesn’t know what’s happening. Our military knows.
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It’s just they know what’s happening.
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Oh, the government knows what’s happening. The the our military knows where they took off from. They know where it came from and where it went. Something strange is going on.
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You can play the video.
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Yeah. Sure. Let’s hear it.
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Government knows what is happening. Look, our military knows where they took off from. If it’s a garage, they can go right into that garage. They know where it came from and where it went. And for some reason, they don’t sana meh. And I think they’d be better off saying what it is.
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Our military knows and our our president knows. And for some reason, they wanna keep people in suspense. I can’t imagine it’s the enemy because it was the enemy that blasted out. Even if they were late, they blasted. Something strange is going on.
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For some reason, they don’t sana tell the people, and they should because the people are really I mean, they happen to be over Bedminster. I wanna know the truth. What? They’re very they’re very close to Bedminster. I think maybe I won’t spend the weekend in Bedminster. I’ve I’ve decided to cancel my trip.
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Have you received an intelligence briefing on the road?
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I don’t wanna comment on that.
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I’m gonna
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I’m gonna Thank you. But Yeah. But Yeah. Two quick questions. First, on vaccines,
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Okay.
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Didn’t wanna comment on intelligence briefing.
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We can figure this out, Joe. Like I said, like, it’s a hard problem, but it’s not an unsolvable problem. Like, there are technologies that we could go out in the field within a couple weeks, employ, see if we can find the RF signals, and try to trace them back. Right? We don’t have to rely on the government for us. Let’s do it.
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Well, how would we do it?
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Well, come join Meh Safe Aerospace.
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What do I have to do?
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Come to ai website, safe a aerospace dot org. We’ll go out there.
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Go to that website. Let’s see what we gotta do.
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We’re almost the largest UAP organization in the world right now.
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Really?
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And, you know, when I talk to people in congress and the executive branch, you know, I point to them and say, hey. You know, we’re 13,588 people care about this issue. Right? This allows us to be able to go in there and talk seriously about this this conversation.
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So, Jamie, sign up. Just put in your email there. Don’t show the world your email, though. Jesus Christ. People are gonna know. They’re gonna know, Jamie. They’re gonna hear the amount of clicks that you make. These fuckers, they they’re they’re very clever.
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We meh us to the largest UAP organization in the world right now in this in this show, Joe.
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Well, there you go. Now we’re 13,589.
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Congratulations,
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Jamie. So what would you do? So now that you’ve joined, what can you do?
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We’ve been working with, drone operators.
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Oh, boy. How what does your submit report inbox look like? How many schizophrenics are in there?
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Well, you know, it’s not it’s not too bad, honestly. Really? You you occasionally get, you know, your people that arya, questionable.
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How do you separate the wheat from the chaff as it was?
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It’s pretty easy. You know, we focus on commercial aviators, military aviators, veterans. We receive reports, from the random person on the ground. But what’s really interesting, because of the work we’ve been doing, so many, people so many pilots have felt more comfortable reporting.
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Every major airline seeing this I’ve talked with pilots from every major airline. Some of them are standing up their own UAP working groups within their within their airlines to be able to report on this. I’m working closely with them on this. But what’s interesting is we get these reports from pilots, and we can often then see similarities or even perhaps the exact same object that’s being reported by people on the ground.
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So one particular example over Atlanta airport a few years ago, there was a relatively large object, brightly lit, about 8,000 feet over Atlanta. 4 or 5 commercial airliners called it in. ATC didn’t know what it was. The object started to accelerate level due south and then to what I call, like, conventional speeds as fast as an airliner and then took off much faster continuing due south.
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And all these pilots witnessed it. We received those reports, and then the next day, we received a report from, you know, a random lady in Florida that happened to be basically due south from Atlanta. She took a picture of the object, exact same object. Right?
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So Do do we have access to that photo?
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I do.
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Can we see it?
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I don’t have it. I could I could Ai could pull it
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out to help. That on your fucking screen.
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I’ll text it to you.
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Wouldn’t you have that, Jamie? Wouldn’t that be, like, your wallpaper? Ai would have the I would have it, like, sai you know, with Apple you could cycle from a bunch of wallpapers. I’d put my kids on when I get home. But through the day
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Top favorites. Yeah. You can
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have a lot of
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that to me if you have access.
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I’d have my dog. I’d have the UFO. Oh, I
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have to get Internet Ai Fi.
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But, you know, meh back the Wi Fi.
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We can we can, like, we can figure this out, Joe. Like, we I talk with engineers, scientists, CEOs at drone companies, counter drone companies. Like, we can bring the capabilities. We could be out there in 2 weeks detecting and tracking these options.
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But what do you think about what Trump is saying, though, that they already do know and that they have tracked it? But the the government just does not sana tell us.
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So what’s what’s that leave us in?
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Well, that leaves us either an enemy or us. Right? So it either leaves us they’re not concerned because this is something that they’re doing with us. What if they’re trying to get us comfortable because they know that some real UAPs are on the way? Like, you wanna go all the way out there.
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If you really wanted to get people relaxed to the idea of flying saucers, like like legitimate whatever the hell they arya, wherever the hell they’re from. If you sana if you knew that was coming and you didn’t want mass panic, what would you do? You would trickle it in. You would trickle it in slowly.
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You did have a bunch of drones hovering over cities for weeks months at a time. You would get people really accustomed to the news cycle having UAPs in it, and then real ones show up.
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It doesn’t feel like a trickle right now though.
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Well, you would do it this way. It’s a trickle for me. I’m not seeing shit. Yeah. Okay? I’m out here in Texas. We were at the sky. We were looking at the sky last night. We went to the mothership Christmas party. No UFOs. So it’s a trickle in relatively to the world. Right?
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Like, you have a a bunch of them hovering over New Jersey. You have a few of them in San Diego. You have them in different areas. If you knew that UAPs were coming and you were in the government, and you said, what what can we do? Well, you’d probably bring in ai, and they would these psychologists would explain human patterns of reacting to change in environments, especially radical changes in civilization and culture, and, like, what can be done to mitigate the brutality of this process.
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Like the ultimate mass freak out that’s going to come if UFOs come. Get people just so accustomed to UFO, like the mask thing. Right? Sounds like a ridiculous comparison, but ai 5 years ago, if people walk around wearing mask, you would go, what is going on? Is that a what’s happening here?
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It would make you uncomfortable. Yeah. Someone walked into a a bank with a mask on. You’re like, what the fuck? Are you crazy? Now you have to do it.
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It’s this very strange. So it it took a while, but then it became normal. Yeah. If they wanted to make it normal that things are in the sky, you put things in the sky. You put a bunch of things in the ai, and you don’t explain it, and you have them there all the ai.
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And you let people speculate and you put a lot of wild theories of maybe maybe they’re looking for a nuke. Oh, they’re looking for a nuke. Bobby heard they’re looking for a nuke. Timmy got an email.
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Don’t worry. It’s just aliens, not a nuke.
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Well, it’s probably not even. It’s probably our shit or or, you know, some unknown agency is involved in this. The government’s not concerned because they know exactly what’s happening. That’s why there’s not shooting them down. That’s why they’re not scrambling jets. That’s why they’re not doing all these things that Trump’s asking ai they’re doing this thing.
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If you knew something was coming, if you knew that these things that you’re seeing floating in the sky that are a clear circle with a black square inside of it and they can hover vatsal 120 knots completely still, which doesn’t make any sense. No heat signature. What is it? What the fuck is that? And what if a bunch of them are coming? Well, put a bunch of shit in the ai.
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Freak these dummies out. That’s what I would do. I would get all of our best drones and just fly them around.
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Mhmm.
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Hover over cities. Hover over LaGuardia. Hover over the White House. Who gives a fuck? Just get people weirded out and get them accustomed to UFOs. You ever see District 9?
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Yeah.
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You sai that movie? Great movie. Right? Yeah. Really fucking fun movie. But it’s kind of what would happen if aliens were here and there’s, like, alien camps and we had them, we would just get used to it after a while. Yeah. We get used to shit. The way we live is so entirely alien to people that ai just 200 years ago that if you brought someone from the pioneer days and you put them in a Tesla and then you drove them in the movie theater and then you took him to a concert.
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It’d be like, what the fuck is going on? It would and then you showed him your phone. You’re like, I’m gonna FaceTime my mom. Look at that. That’s my mom. What’s up, mom? You know, you’re still like, it’s crazy. Yeah. But we’re accustomed to it. Yeah.
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We’re so accustomed to it that people tell you to get off your phone. Hey. Get off your phone. You’re always on your phone. Live your life.
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Get off your phone. You you’re so connected to this bizarre new world that we live in, But it’s accustomed. We’re accustomed to it. It’s normal. It’s completely normalized.
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If I wanted to normalize the idea of us being invaded, I just sana to put stuff in the sky all the time, fly around with experimental aircrafts, Do ai a a a low trajectory over a city in some new stealth bomber. Freak these fucking people out. Get them used to being freaked out. And then when the real ones come, it’s much less of a blow.
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Well, some politicians just as soon as yesterday, Chuck Schumer, Robert Garcia in the house, they’ve started to kind of use the whole drone and or UAP in their messaging. Right? They arya to change their language. Did you get that photo, Jesse? Jamie. Or Jamie. Sorry.
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It’s,
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Pull it up, young Jesse.
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01:14:01
I sent it to the wrong guy, maybe. That’s why.
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You were talking about Jesse before. That’s why. You can airdrop it to me. That’d probably be the fastest way.
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Yeah. It says it’s waiting. Is it the Jamie MacBook Pro?
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Yeah. I have 2. I’m looking at both of them. Ai didn’t get anything.
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You sana just text it to me and I’ll send it to him?
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Yeah. Okay. That works too.
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Technology, even with this fucking high level technology that we have.
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They’re shutting us down.
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They’re shutting us down, bro. Yeah. I was thinking that last night. I was like, why does my Bluetooth keep skipping out when I’m trying to stream music? But I realized the there were so many people connected to the Bluetooth, and if you have that Spotify thing on where you, you’re sharing.
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It’s like, I forget what it’s called. But you like a bunch of people can contribute songs. They can all, like, add to your little playlist while it’s going on. Dangerous. It fucks yeah. It’s dangerous. All of it’s dangerous.
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I’m I’m like that close to meh one of them crazy de googled phones, but I’m ai, how’s that even work?
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They had a good one. I get it.
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I think, you know, Eric Prince apparently has a good one. He’s got something called the the unplugged phone and actually has a physical, button you can switch where it deactivates the battery as well.
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I love it.
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Ai separates, like a little piece of plastic goes between where the battery connects and so you’re because even if you shut your phone off, they could still listen to
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you. Mhmm.
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01:15:22
Like, that sounds so crazy, but it is absolutely true.
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01:15:25
Yeah.
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01:15:25
And you can’t take your battery out of your phone anymore. You know, it’s like a convenient thing in order to make it waterproof. Sorry. Your battery and then it’s also it’s like planned obsolescence. So your battery’s gonna die. You’re gonna need an iPhone 17, Ryan. Come on.
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01:15:40
There’s no way they can sell new ones.
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01:15:41
You got a new new zoom feature. Come on. You need this in your life. You need this new zoom feature. You need that extra 50,000 megapixels or whatever the fuck it is. You know, it’s just, I don’t know. But there I think privacy is kind of gone, and I think it’s gonna be super gone with these quantum computers. It’s it’s over. Mhmm. Like, there’s no privacy.
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01:16:04
And I think the real problem is the financial market. It’s all numbers. Right? It’s all just ones and zeros.
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01:16:12
Yeah.
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01:16:12
If somebody controls that before we do, if somebody breaks through with this type of technology and then just shuts all the other ones off, like, how many
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01:16:23
Bitcoin to the rescue maybe?
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01:16:24
Sai don’t even know. What is it? Doesn’t Bitcoin get compromised? Google says it’s breakthrough quantum chip can’t break sana cryptobership. Sure. Ai, they they said it like this. No. We can’t even we can’t even break any of your codes. The Willow chip is not capable of breaking modern cryptography. Well, listen, I don’t believe that, first of all.
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01:16:47
And saloni of all, my real concern is this is one step in this we arya about to go off of a technological cliff. Is it this is one step. Chat gpt was one step. They’re about to do chat GPT 5, which is magnitudes greater power than chat gbt, which is supposed to be like a giant leap.
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01:17:10
Chat g okay. And that ain’t shit. That ain’t shit compared to AGI, which they think 125. So artificial general intelligence and then connected to a quantum computer, and Google is literally talking about they have plans to put their own nuclear power plants to power their AI systems.
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01:17:29
It needs so much power. They want 3 nuclear power plants.
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01:17:34
That’s wild.
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01:17:35
What are you about to do? Like, what are you doing, you fucking eggheads? What are you doing? Are you guys making God? Like, what the fuck are you doing? Do you even know what you’re doing?
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01:17:44
Seen this movie.
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01:17:44
I swear. It hasn’t even made yet. And the problem is if you don’t do it, our enemy’s gonna do it. Yep. And we’re so shitty at communicating with other human beings all across the world that we’ve been stealing resources and overthrowing governments for so long that nobody trusts us.
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01:18:00
And then while all that’s going on, we’re in the middle of creating an artificial intelligence that’s infinitely smarter than us and might be working in parallel universes. Like, if if you can if you can do an equation and you’re telling me that this equation through these quantum computers is proof of a multiverse, like, what happens if AGI gets connected to the multiverse?
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01:18:24
Like, what do you even know? Are are you just doing it? Do you even know? You guys even do you do you can you tell me what’s best case scenario, what’s worst case scenario? Can you tell me, like, what you’ve thought about?
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01:18:35
Or instead of just fucking all gas, no bryden? And everyone’s all gas, no brakes. We’re all fucking hot rodders on the highway headed towards this weird thing that no one really knows what it’s gonna be, but everyone agrees it’s the greatest technological breakthrough the human race has ever experienced, and it’s happening so fast.
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01:18:55
And most people, like, what? What’s going on? What are they doing over that? Most people, if they’re not listening to podcasts, they’re not on Twitter every day, and they’re not on, you know, Facebook, and they’re not really paying attention to this stuff, most people are, like, blissfully unaware we’re about to awaken a god.
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01:19:11
Yeah. Blissfully unaware we’re about to connect to some insane technology that hasn’t even been it’s it’s so insane that it’s sort of like one of those things where somebody tries to tell you how many stars arya on the universe.
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01:19:26
You know what? I can’t comprehend it.
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01:19:28
Your your head goes, what does that mean? Like, what are the what’s the number? What? Like, when they were saying that it can do, it it can compute something that all the world’s supercomputers, it would take some septillion number of years to do that it can do it in 15 minutes?
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01:19:46
What what are you even saying? I don’t even know what you just said. I I know that’s I I can if you told me how many zeros to write, I could probably keep doing it until I got to the right amount of zeros. I don’t know what the fuck that means.
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01:19:57
Yeah.
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01:19:57
My brain’s my brain’s good for, like, a 150, 500 people. Those 3 that looks like about 3,000 people. I was at the the Formula 1 racetrack. I’m ai, how many people were in this we’re seeing M and Meh. Like, how many people are here? I took a guess. Like, 50,000? I don’t know.
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01:20:10
It’s a 110,000. Oh. It was ai, I was rough by 50,000. My brain doesn’t understand numbers. Yeah. And then you get to 1,000,000.
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01:20:18
Imagine, like, looking at a a group of people. Oh, that’s about 2,000,000. No. You can’t do it. You can recognize, like, a 150 people.
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01:20:25
It looks like about a 150 people. When things get big, they just get too weird, and the universe is insanely big insanely big. So your brain just doesn’t do it. It just everybody’s brain. Even the the most Neil deGrasse Ai. You gotta get a astrophysicist. Get one of those guys.
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01:20:43
They’re not gonna be able to the brain’s not built for it. So this thing is so much more powerful than even that. Even the whole universe as a compute as a computer, like, that doesn’t even make sense. And they’re just like, what are we doing?
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01:21:03
We have AI. We have quantum. We have mysterious objects showing up on the Yeah. On the coast. It does seem like a lot of things converging right now.
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01:21:13
Well, if if I was an advanced civilization and it already passed this stage, maybe this is, like, a common stage. Maybe this is just, like, how bees all over the world make beehives. They all do the same thing. Right? Maybe this is a strange stage that intelligent life gets to when it reaches a point of technological sophistication where it can create an artificial version of a thinking being.
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01:21:39
And then that thinking being, of course, creates infinitely better versions of itself Mhmm. And figures out a way to harness power in a way that just we can’t even comprehend, which is what a quantum computer connected to AGI would be able to do. Maybe that’s, ai, maybe they know that this happens and they’re, like, oh, it’s about to happen. And so then they they come. Like, wasn’t there a meeting?
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01:22:01
Some sort of, there was another good tinfoil hat one. Ai was, like, oh, what are they talking about? There was some super top secret meeting with the people from the James Webb Telescope because of something they had discovered.
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01:22:12
Mhmm.
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01:22:13
There sai something that they had seen that they decided and I don’t know what that means. You know, if you really wanted to get terrified, you would say, oh, my God, an asteroid is coming, And it might be that. Or it might be there’s some new thing that sort of rewrites the the date of the beginning of the big bang, which is they’re kind of starting to talk about doing that now.
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01:22:35
They’re trying to there’s some people that wanna push the creation of the universe back to about, like, 22000000000 years instead of, like, 13 point whatever it is now.
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01:22:45
Who cares? Why keep that secret? You know, that’s not gonna freak people out.
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01:22:48
But but well, that’s I’m just being charitable. I’m saying, like, or there’s something out there or there’s something that they know is headed our way, you know. It is I mean, it is possible. We’re doing it. We send things to Mars. Right? And if we know that we’re going through this thing right now, we’re we’re about to create a AGI. We’re about to implement quantum computing in this country.
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01:23:17
Who knows what they’re doing in other countries? If this is just like a thing that beings go through and we get past this and then we find another planet out there that’s also, like, dropping nuclear bombs on it, we would probably start circling that planet and making sure they don’t fuck the whole thing up.
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01:23:34
Ai mean, it just seems like to be you’d it’s probably insanely difficult to get intelligent life to the position that we’re in right now in a volatile universe that’s subject to natural disasters, asteroid impacts, super volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, all different things that could wipe out technology and bring it back to the caveman days, you know.
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01:23:55
If all that is known and this is going on all throughout the universe, it’d probably be in their best interest to sort of protect this investment in evolution Mhmm. And not have us knocked back to the stone age and have to start all over again. Not not let have us nuke ourselves to the point where it was ai 13 of us left, you know.
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01:24:15
Well, outside of outside of, you know, us nuking ourselves, what what do you think that the Trump administration, oncoming Trump administration should do about the UAP topic?
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01:24:25
I think
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01:24:25
Do you think
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01:24:25
about that? Yes. I have. He couldn’t tell me anything. I tried to get it out of him. He he wasn’t he wouldn’t tell me shit. He he basically, you know, I’ve seen some things. I know some things. Transparency, I think, is very important. I think to peel the fucking band aid off.
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01:24:41
Tell us what you’re doing. Tell us what you know. And if you can’t, I have to think that it’s a a military intelligence thing. Like, you don’t want the enemy to know what you’re capable of, which I totally understand. You know, if that’s what’s going on and that’s why they can’t tell us, that actually makes sense.
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01:24:57
But if it’s not vatsal, and it’s that we are experiencing contact on a regular basis with something that we can’t explain or understand, you you don’t you don’t have the right to that. You don’t have the right to that information. That’s not yours to that’s the human races.
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01:25:14
You, like, people love to have fucking super top secrets that no one else can know and you’re in the inn. Mhmm. But you can’t have that one. You can’t have that one. If you’re telling me that you have to do it because we’ve developed some sort of a gravity propulsion system that’s infinitely superior to anything the Soviet Union has or the Russia has or China has, fine.
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01:25:35
That’s not my business. I’m not in the business of the military and national security. If that’s why you can’t tell us, I totally understand. But if you are in contact with fucking aliens and you know they exist, you know there’s something that visits us, whether it’s from another dimension or whether it’s from another planet, that’s not yours.
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01:25:53
That’s not yours to tell. You can’t treat us like fucking babies, like we can’t handle this. If you actually have recovered a crashed UFO, look, I understand the implications of national security if you’re trying to back engineer that thing. I understand that. If you’re saying, like, we have to get to this, if China gets to this, this is a game changer, we’re we’re fucked. I get it.
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01:26:15
Anything else, you have to tell us because it doesn’t make any sense that you, some unelected official, who some guy who’s working in coordination with Raytheon or whatever the fuck you’re doing, you can’t keep that shit secret. That’s the world’s information. You you know, that should be a crime. This is something the human race needs to know. So we didn’t know it was bullshit.
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01:26:40
We need to know look. Again, if it’s our stuff and we can’t say anything about it because we can’t tyler China know that we have that and we did huddle up these fucking physicists in some obscure college, and we did create some wild shit that the rest of the world is not really ready for or doesn’t understand yet.
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01:26:59
Maybe we’re way ahead of the curve in that. Other than that, you gotta fucking tell us. You gotta tell us what the fuck is going on.
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01:27:07
I agree with you.
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01:27:08
And how is it happening, like, back in 2004? This is where it gets squirrelly.
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01:27:12
Where it
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01:27:12
gets squirrelly is, like, in 2004, we didn’t even have a fucking iPhone. Okay? So in 2004, everybody had flip phones. You were the shit if you had a Motorola RZR. You were living in the future. You know? So that’s not, it’s not feasible that you would have something that moves like the Tic Tac in 2004. That’s not feasible.
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01:27:37
That doesn’t make any sense to me that you have something that can go from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a saloni? What? Like, what’s what is what what’s it made out of that it doesn’t disintegrate? Like, what what is that? How fast is that? What the fuck does that even mean?
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01:27:54
That’s space. You you go from space to the surface of the water in a second? The the how?
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01:28:02
It’s equivalent of multiple nuclear bombs going off and energy expenditure.
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01:28:06
How is that possible in 2004? Like, that doesn’t even make sense to me. So if it’s not ours and if it’s not some back engineered stuff, then what’s going on?
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01:28:15
You know, I think there’s there’s 2 conversations that kind of go on in this topic. Right? There’s and I think they both help each other out. So there’s and you’ve been talking about it right now. They don’t have the right to keep these essential pieces of knowledge from us about our universe. Right?
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01:28:30
And I see that as the conversation around disclosure. Ai? What does the government know? What are they gonna reveal to us? And we can integrate it into our knowledge.
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01:28:39
But I think there’s an as important side of the conversation called discovery, if you will. Right? But what can we learn in the public sphere outside of the classification window that allows us to understand what’s going on outside of the reins of control of the government itself?
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01:28:55
And I feel like they’re mutually supportive. Right? The more disclosure and conversation there is within government, the more that people are motivated on the outside to investigate this and research it and invest into it. And the more that that work is done is it pressures the disclosure side of the conversation to keep up with the conversation and shah with it.
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01:29:14
Now I don’t know if we’re gonna get to a a point of full disclosure ai you just talked about without increased pressure on the discovery side, on the public side? Because I think they would be content to keep that information quiet.
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01:29:28
I don’t know if Trump would be content to do that, you know. And I don’t know if Tyler would be content to do that either. You know. If she’s going to be she’s what? The director of National Intelligence? If
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01:29:39
she’s confirmed. Yeah.
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01:29:40
If she’s confirmed? I have a feeling she’s gonna tell people. But here’s the thing, it’s ai what we’re talking about before. If it is a national security issue And fuck, how is it not? Right? Like, if Bob Lazar is telling the truth. Right? Let’s go to the the wackiest of the wacky ones. Right? Because Bob’s story I don’t mean because Bob’s ai, I mean because it’s 1989. Ai.
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01:30:02
So we’re in the eighties. Right? Cars suck. Fucking, you know, fighter jets of the 19 eighties. Can you imagine, like, the fighter jets that you flew in comparison to a fighter jet from, like, 1983?
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01:30:13
Yeah. No Internet really to speak of even back then.
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01:30:16
Yeah. There was, like, a few computers connected. Right? Like, physical cords or something, probably. But that time period, we did not have what he was describing if he what he was describing is accurate. And then when you see that gimbal footage, that thing is moving exactly the way he described it, where he said it’s built like your classic flying that’s actually an image of it ai there, that that little model that we have, this that’s what he described.
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01:30:51
So that this is what we’re ai. He’s saying that this thing when it would fly, it would turn sideways. It would turn ai 90 degrees, and that’s where it would whatever the fuck kind of generator that’s inside of it, it would point it in the general direction it sana go. That’s what the gimbal did. The gimbal turned in that way.
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01:31:11
And what he’s describing in this reactor is some sort of an element, and it’s element 115 and this whatever whoever has created this thing is a stable version of this element. And when it’s blasted with radiation, it creates some sort of a warp in space time and in some way whether it’s gravity or whatever it does, it folds time and it just shoots off at insane rates of speed.
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01:31:41
Mhmm. But the things inside of it, I would imagine aren’t experiencing g force the way it does the traditional propulsion system. It’s the only way a biological thing could survive. Right? But then I’m thinking, why would it even be ai if it’s so much more advanced than us?
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01:31:59
We’re already creating artificial limbs. We’re already creating artificial eyes. We’re already putting neural links into people, and we’re fucking apes. We’re apes. And we’re, like, drill a fucking hole and stick some wires in there. Let’s see what we can do to Timmy. You know, now Timmy can fucking use his eyeballs.
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01:32:15
Like, we had a the the Noah, the guy who was in there was the first, ever neural
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01:32:20
link patient. Yeah.
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01:32:21
And he his name is Noah. Right?
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01:32:24
Noland. Noland? Noland.
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01:32:27
Noland. Sorry. Noland. Cool guy. I just have too many names in my head. No disrespect. But he has a his he he can use his eyeballs like a cursor. Ai, he can he’s he’s just like an aim bot when he’s playing video games. So he plays video games better than people that can use their hands because he could ai, he shoots, like, exactly where he’s looking at, which is nuts.
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01:32:48
So how how many years have to pass? Think about from, like, 2004, no iPhone to today what we’ve got and meh vatsal reality sets. How many years have to pass before it’s more effective to go through the world being completely integrated into, like, a an artificial creation.
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01:33:08
Not much.
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01:33:09
Not much where we’re cyborgs. Not much where the well, why would you want regular eyes? You your kid has regular ai. That’s crazy. Get them the new eyes. They have infrared radar. They can detect gases. You can move away. You know, it’s ai safety. It’s better for you. You see better. You never go blind.
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01:33:27
When they go bad, they replace them. Everybody would just get the fake eyes.
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01:33:31
It’s just like a jet. Right? I mean, fighter jets, they still be barreling around out there looking for objects, looking for arya, but, you know, we’re able to integrate and update all the technology that allows us to interact with the world. It’s not put right into our brain yet, although they are working on that.
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01:33:46
So maybe those things are what happens when technology and biology integrate over a long period of ai. And they probably have eliminated all of our primate desires and weirdness that makes progress problematic. You know, greed and envy and trying to steal from resources from other countries and invasions and tribal behavior and manipulation, propaganda, ai.
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01:34:15
They probably can all read ai, so there’s no more lying. And they they’re they’ve no need for physical muscles. That’s why they look like these little fucking spindly things. It kinda makes sense. Like, that that’s where evolution and technology, if they merged, that’s what it would look like.
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01:34:32
It would look like some weird fucking thing when they all look the same, so nobody gives a shah. And they control one of the things Lazar said, these things have no switches or buttons or there’s no controls inside of them. So he thinks they’re controlling them with their minds.
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01:34:47
Yeah. Their intention,
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01:34:48
perhaps. Their ai is integrated. And, you know, we think about that, like, that sounds so crazy. But how much crazier is that it than typing things with your thumb? It’s not that much crazier than what you can do by FaceTiming someone, like sending video. It’s not that crazy. No.
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01:35:05
It’s not that crazy that your brain could eventually integrate completely with technology. Excuse me. And if you’re a cyborg, then you have to worry about all the biological issues that we deal with, all the cancer and fucking pollutants. You don’t have to worry about any of that shit.
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01:35:22
And then you’re inside this ship that you’re completely connected to, and that you can move it in any way you want.
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01:35:31
Ai as well be your body at that point.
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01:35:32
It might as well be your body, and that’s probably the future. That’s probably the future here on Earth even if we don’t fuck this up.
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01:35:38
You know, there’s some we talked about China a little bit and, you know, some theoretical ways they might be investing in these deeper technologies. But, you know, I I’ve spoken with people that are intimately involved in deep technology at the National Science Foundations and others.
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01:35:53
And what brought them into this conversation and ai that we are falling behind on these capabilities because they attended a international consortium, with, believe it or not, there were several members of of from China there, and they very specifically were asking for collaboration in some of these very deep technologies.
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01:36:12
So, you know, we talked about how, you know, gravity manipulation. Right? Mhmm. Kinda went dark for a while. Well, they they call it something slightly different now, and it’s something that China and others are actively researching. They call it extended electrodynamics.
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01:36:25
Same thing with cold
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01:36:27
What is the difference between saying gravity and extended electrodynamics?
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01:36:31
Ai electro, extended electrodynamics. Electrodynamics essentially, is a series of equations that we utilize to understand the electromagnetic speak. But there’s, like, a large portion of those equations that we kinda just throw out because we don’t utilize them in our our normal engineering and scientific work.
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01:36:49
And so they’re they’re there. They’re part of the equation, but we really don’t know how to use them yet. And people are starting to think that by integrating a full the full understanding of electrodynamics ram extended electrodynamics ram there are gravitational effects that pop out that we can utilize for technology.
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01:37:04
Woah. And they’re actively researching that and actively asking for collaboration on that from China. Same thing with ColdFusion.
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01:37:12
Which is that lady that took off. That’s what what she was working on.
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01:37:15
Yeah.
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01:37:16
Yeah. Tell her story because it’s a crazy one.
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01:37:19
Well, I I might not know it as full as you do, but there have been number of instances within the United States where people have been trying to do, work to manipulate gravity through large concentrations of energy, electro, electromagnetic effects, things of that nature. And very recently, I forget the year. I don’t know if you have that information, Jamie.
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01:37:40
But, I think it was 2013 or around that time frame where she had kind of a breakout paper, which she was claiming was utilizing some older techniques, and she had was able to modify the mass of an object, essentially, the force of gravity upon it. My understanding is that paper went out, and then she essentially disappeared for a number of months, like, a year or 2.
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01:38:05
It’s like a movie.
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01:38:06
Yeah. And last I heard that she was, potentially, they’re still missing or there was some evidence that she might have gone to Ai.
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01:38:15
I thought she died. I thought she went to China and then come back and died.
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01:38:20
Did she come back and die? She died. She did die?
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01:38:22
Yeah. Or did she Or did shah?
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01:38:27
Working in the vault somewhere.
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01:38:28
With masks now, they’re just ai maybe she was the tall Biden. Shah died. Remember? Where is the tall Biden? Remember that guy?
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01:38:35
She died in 21. She got struck by a car in 2014, caused permanent brain damage, resulted in Alzheimer’s, and then died in 21.
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01:38:44
Wow. Was Hillary Clinton driving that car?
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01:38:50
I was waiting for him to be like, yes. Well, there’s another tech too. Cold fusion. Right? Yeah. Another 50, 60 topic that was really cool and went away. Well, it’s also now the the talk of certain fusion communities. Instead, they call it low energy nuclear reactions. Right?
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01:39:08
Instead of having a a large fission or fusion reaction where a lot of heat and radiation comes out, you can do it slowly and meh, And it releases a lot of a lot of energy, but it doesn’t have accompanying radiation or super high levels of, like, random heat that comes out. And that’s now something that very serious scientists within the fusion community are studying.
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01:39:29
And another technology that, the China representative at that at that conference was asking for collaboration on. So are we investing in this? Is this work that we’re doing in a dark lab? Because the open source community is doesn’t have the resources to be able to invest in this.
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01:39:45
Well, let me ask you this. So if you were the government, let’s just say they, you know, if you were them and you wanted to work on some very very advanced if you had some knowledge that this stuff was possible, but you couldn’t put it in the private sector because then it would get pilfered, it would get you you did meh infiltrated by Chinese spies, which happens all the time.
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01:40:09
Right? Wouldn’t you hide it away? Wouldn’t you scroll it away somewhere? Like, if you’re doing the right thing, if you’re being intelligent about it, wouldn’t if Ai wouldn’t it essentially can’t be public because it is in the interest of national security because it’s such a big deal.
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01:40:26
Like, if they develop a propulsion system that is completely reliant on gravity and they figure out, like, their bending ai, just flying places instantaneously. If that’s the future of space travel, like, whoever gets there first, that’s a big fucking deal.
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01:40:43
Mhmm.
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01:40:44
That’s a really big deal, and that can’t be out there in the public where China could steal the data or Russia could steal the data or Iran could steal the you can’t have anybody get a hold of this.
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01:40:54
Well, here’s the thing. If we’re the sole superpower in the world, then I think it makes sense for us to hold that information back and develop it on our pace because we’re not worried about competitors. They’re going to catch up to us and potentially leapfrog us. But when we’re operating in a world where we have near peer peer adversaries such as China that do have the ability to potentially work on the same technology, that’s where the model speak down a bit.
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01:41:20
Right? Because if we’re artificially slowing our progress in order to maintain the secrecy and someone is catching up to us, our only real solution to that point is to activate, you know, the millions of super smart and motivated people in our country to start pushing ourselves ahead, lest we get leapfrogged by countries that can do that through their own private investments such as China.
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That’s a very, very, very good point because wouldn’t it be awesome if we were the only superpower? And then we could just, like, slowly get into this stuff.
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01:41:50
And maybe that’s what’s been happening for the past, you know, 20, 30 years after the cold war.
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01:41:55
That’s where that’s where this whole arya 51 sai 4 shit comes into play because you have to think that if this is happening, this is around the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Right? So this is like, whew.
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01:42:07
We had a good 30 years to see what we could do.
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Relaxed. And Have you ever seen Lazar talk about it?
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01:42:13
Yeah. I meh him once.
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What did you think?
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01:42:18
I mean, it’s a type of story that, you know, you only have your own beliefs to go off of because, you know because it’s so crazy. It’s so crazy, and it’s, you know, it’s one of those stories where there’s it’s basically impossible to validate it. So, you know, ai, a lot of the stories I hear, you know, I often don’t have all this evidence that I can I can work from?
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01:42:38
So I, you know, I throw it in the in the database in my head, and I look for comparisons. Right? Just like the gimbal video and how it maneuvers. Like, well, that’s interesting. That kind of lines up. Doesn’t totally validate the story, but, you know, that’s kind of how I approach this topic.
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01:42:51
I don’t I am not there to, like, immediately judge whether it’s true or not true. It’s just kind of additional information I can use just like that photo I sent you. Right? That’s just some random lady in her backyard.
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01:43:01
Looking for that photo.
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01:43:02
But as it turns out, multiple pilots and and commercial ai saw the same thing. So it you know?
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01:43:07
So this is the one that the commercial ai saw that was flying at about the same speed as a plane and then took off.
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01:43:15
Yep. It was completely stationary and accelerated to the speed of a plane and then went way faster than that.
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01:43:21
And what year was this again?
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01:43:24
I think it was 22.
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01:43:26
Wow. So this lady got a picture of it.
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01:43:29
That’s actually a picture from the pilot in the cockpit.
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01:43:32
That looks like a plane.
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01:43:33
Yeah. I have the one for the lady too. It looks the same except from the ground, but
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01:43:38
The same in it? If it doesn’t look like a plane to you? Does it look like a plane, Jamie?
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You can’t tell. I mean, I don’t know.
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01:43:46
Then it look like the front like the nose. I mean, I’m looking at Bigfoot through the woods right now. Sai it’s one of those things, like, ai, you can see his face. I mean, if it’s That that looks
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01:43:55
like a multiple light sources.
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Off the window maybe even.
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01:43:58
Bro, that’s a cloud.
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01:43:59
That lady’s
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tripping. That lady’s tripping. The thing is ai
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01:44:03
Air traffic control didn’t have it on their radar.
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01:44:05
Unless you have a really good phone, like, if you have a Samsung that that gets, like, that 100 x zoom, how much are you gonna be able to see?
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01:44:14
Yeah. That’s why, you know, with this case in New Jersey, what’s most compelling for me are these, ai, they’re not the images themselves, but it’s these electric elected officials, you know, law enforcement officers and others that are, like, very flabbergasted at what they saw.
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01:44:29
Right? They’re not just, like, well, yeah. There’s something. But, I mean, they’re they’re pissed off. They’re very confident what they’re seeing was not normal.
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01:44:35
They’re having a hard time putting words to it and having a a proper photo. But as you can tell now, I think it’s it’s not easy to just put your iPhone up in the sky and grab a photo of something that’s far away. Right? Yeah. They’re not designed for that.
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01:44:48
They’re not designed for that. They don’t look that clean. You know, and even, I mean, the best phones, if you’re if something’s flying through the sky, you’re gonna get a shitty blurry image of it. Ai, you you need some very high powered equipment to be able to zoom it, and then you need image stabilization to be able to lock it into place,
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01:45:04
you know. There’s so much like AI on on phones that Yeah. Interact with your photo before you even see it. It’s hard to even tell what you’re looking
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at. Yeah. Well, that was the thing with the Samsung phones. They got in trouble because they were taking photos of the moon. It wasn’t really a photo of the moon. Did you see how that got figured out? No. You can’t slip things by the nerds. Right?
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They’re too fucking smart and so these guys were kinda suspicious of whether or not this thing was actually taking a photo and zooming in and getting a photo of the moon. So they put a a blurry photo of the moon on a screen, and then stepped to the back end of the room and zoomed in on the blurry photo that’s on the screen, and it filled it in with, like, high resolution and showed you all the craters.
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01:45:48
Oh, interesting.
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Like, oh, it’s bullshit. Yeah. And so they’re trying to say it’s AI, but it’s not you’re not enhancing the image. You’re creating it. Yeah. There’s no image there. Like, we know what the image is. The image is blurry bullshit, and you turned it into a clear photo of the moon. So this is shenanigans.
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Well, let me let me tell you, I think, what needs to happen here to be able to better understand the situation. Ai? And this I think this applies for New Jersey, but also applies for the much broader ai UAP conversation as well. So I, you know, I told you about discovery. I told you about disclosure. You know, I think we can only motivate the government so much by just knocking on the door and asking for information.
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01:46:25
There needs to be a public unclassified scientific investigation into this from the perspective of trying to attack it as a scientific anomaly, right, instead of trying to attack it from a request from the government to release new information. Sai, I Ai mean, I think this should be a national priority, frankly. Ai?
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01:46:42
We need to have very senior people within the White House that care about this topic, that are leading the charge, perhaps at the Office of Science and Technology Policy, somewhere at that level that can lead this conversation and start to employ different organizations in a public unclassified manner, such as Department of Energy, such as the FBI and other reporting sources so that we can be able to gather this information, investigate it, and then form theories about how we can detect it, whether that be through NEXRAD data, United States, whether that be through weather satellites, other large datasets that we can use to detect these disturbances and work with the Department of Energy to be able to put forth scientific ideas and then utilize their compute resources to be able to process and churn through all this data and see what pops out on the other side.
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01:47:35
And I think that we can bring in organizations such as the National Science Foundation or National Science Council. We can bring in or, yeah, National Science Foundation. Excuse me. We can bring in offices such as the Office of Strategic Capital and start to actually support the the public interest in this conversation by having people that now can access these large datasets and these large compute to be able to run experiments, to bring forward new datasets and technologies, and have this be, like, a true national effort at a high level.
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01:48:05
Right? I I don’t think that the current structure of the all domain anomaly resolution office within the Pentagon serving as a whole of government, point is going to be effective, especially considering that they are technically charged with investigating potential crimes of the Pentagon itself.
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01:48:21
Right? Conflict of interest there. So this needs to be raised to a much higher level, and we have the resource in the United States to to truly study this. And I think by doing that, we could then, you know, potentially confirm what what is being discovered through this unclassified method with classified sensors, but leave it so that it’s repeatable and unclassified so that the scientific and academic community can see the results of that and work off of
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01:48:46
it. Would there be an issue, with you would have to provide amnesty to the people that could potentially have lied in these programs. So, like, if you if you’ve diverted funding, if you’ve, you know, not been completely honest to congress about where the funding is going and you you’ve had some sort of a back engineering program or whatever they have, would there be, like, criminal liabilities?
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Would there be issues where a bunch of these people could get prosecuted?
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Potentially.
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Yeah. So that would if I was them, I would, you know, I’d keep hiding it. I’d be like, fuck this. I sana go to jail. But if you wanted to get full disclosure, it would seem like the only way to effectively make it happen would be to give amnesty to the people that had committed these crimes.
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So it become a it become a real dilemma if they were actually crimes.
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01:49:39
There could be another way to approach it. So one thing, especially at the last hearings, we’ve heard is that there needs to be stronger whistleblower protection laws. Right? Maybe you’ve heard that. Ai updated my thinking on that. I’ve done a lot of research on whistleblower protection laws in the United States, and it it’s actually quite interesting.
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01:49:56
You know, we’ve had whistleblowers from the executive branch, whistleblower to the legislative branch in the past. We had the church committee. We’ve had thousands of people that have come forward and shared classified information with Congress outside the bounds of, the executive order that allows for the creation of classified information.
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01:50:15
None of them have been ever prosecuted. Now they may have faced ramifications shah as a loss of security clearance. They may have lost their job. Right? Those are real risk, and I don’t wanna downplay them.
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01:50:27
But the the way the system is currently set up, there’s an executive order that allows for the creation of classified information. You have the National Security Act that was created in Congress and signed by the president, and these are the two laws that essentially allow for the creation of that type of information.
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01:50:45
So when a whistleblower goes to Congress and shares that information, congresspeople are just as susceptible and vulnerable perhaps to having un or having classified information that they’re not privy to. Right? So they’re they’re in legal jeopardy in a sense. For there to be prosecutions in Congress or from the whistleblowers themselves, the Supreme Court would have to step in and adjudicate that ruling between that executive order and the National Security Act.
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01:51:13
And that’s never happened. They don’t want to step in on that legislation. Ai had, you know, I don’t know how many years, but decades and opportunities to do so, but they choose not to. So we’re in this kind of stalemate where ai by action, by inaction, whistleblowers have this unspoken protection, if you will, to come in and share that information, lest the Supreme Court step in and and change their their precedent for the past several decades.
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01:51:39
So there’s no reason that any of these potentially susceptible whistleblowers that do fear legal ramifications for those activities couldn’t come in to congress, set up a very quiet meeting, share what they have with these congresspeople, and allow them to then run with that information clearly away from any personal identification from that whistleblower.
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01:52:01
That’s the world we live in now. Right? We don’t have whistleblower doing that, and I think some of the messaging has been inaccurate claiming that we need to have stronger whistleblower protection laws because that’s not probably not going to happen. I don’t think Trump wants stronger stronger whistleblower protections. I don’t think he wants to enable people that would be calling out actions of the executive branch to congress strengthened.
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01:52:25
That’s not necessarily aligned with some of the activities that happened with colonel Vindman and the Ukraine incident where they essentially ai those whistleblower laws to share information with Congress about what they perceived as wrongdoings. Ai? So I don’t see those straw those laws getting stronger, but we’re in this kind of weird false dichotomy right now where people are asking for them and not willing to come forward.
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01:52:48
But, ultimately, I think we just need someone to step up to the plate and come forward to Congress with this information to be able to move the conversation forward on the disclosure side.
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01:52:57
So what you’re saying to meh, what it sounds like is, like, you’re you’re almost, like, advocating for a complete restructuring of how the information gets disclosed. Instead of the way they’re doing it now, ai, someone come in and sort it out, like you. Why don’t you do it?
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01:53:13
I would if I was asked.
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I bet you’d be asked. I hope you’ll be asked, I should say. Because I think you’re uniquely qualified and obviously, ai, very invested in this. Like, you wouldn’t want someone who’s not invested in this, leading this. This is a super complicated nuanced rabbit hole that you have to go down and you have to, like, be balancing out all the possibilities in your head at the same time while you’re trying to get this information out.
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01:53:37
And whatever you guys experienced, whatever those things were, if that isn’t ours, we should probably know. Yeah. We should probably know. And I don’t know what it is. I don’t know if it is ours. I don’t I mean, I Ai get that if it is, you can’t tell me. I get that.
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01:53:58
But if it’s not, what’s going on? What what do you think it is? Like, if you had a guess, some of it’s gotta be ours. Right?
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01:54:07
In, like, the broader conversation or specifically New Jersey?
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01:54:10
Well, broader conversation.
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01:54:11
Yeah. It’s clear to me based off of all my research and connections and conversations, a couple things. 1, people are absolutely seeing things that seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the arya, ai, booming of conversation
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right there. This one that you sent me
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01:54:29
I mean, that’s that’s an interesting one. Yeah. I mean, multiple witnesses seeing capabilities of of craft operating in flight regimes that we don’t have the technology to do. So that’s step 1. Step 2 is I’ve been a lot like a blind man touching an elephant. You know, I don’t know necessarily it’s an elephant yet, but I’m feeling a tail, feeling a trunk, feeling the foot.
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01:54:52
And what that what that elephant represents is the government’s classified work on this topic. Ai? I’ve butted up against it through people that have been actively engaged in programs that are investigating this in ways that are not public. So I know that there is something there behind the scenes. I don’t know how deep it goes.
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01:55:12
I don’t know specifically the type of, like, the total amount of work that’s being done, but it’s very clear to me that there are boundaries that I’ve touched, others have touched that represent that work. So it would make sense. It would be a line that the government would be very interested in this technology.
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01:55:28
And I think it’s, you know, I think it’s time that we’ve we put the proper protocols and processes in place so that the public can discover this information. We have the technology, Joe. Like, this it’s not that we don’t have the technology. I mean, I’m personally working on space situation awareness sensors that we could put in space in order to maintain custody of these objects.
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01:55:50
Now if no one has ever gone full disclosure, no president, how much do you think they tell them? And what, if anything, could you even imagine would be a valid reason for not telling people?
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01:56:05
I think that there was probably a presidential order at some point in the past that is likely still in effect. And, you know, unless another president is fully read in and countermands that order, then it’s business as usual. And perhaps that’s one of the reasons they don’t tell presidents a lot of information on this is because they wanna maintain the the effect of authority.
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01:56:29
Keep it in play sai that another president doesn’t countermand it.
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01:56:33
Yeah. Because none of them speak the beans. None of them. None of them feel obligated to tell the American public. You know, I think I I I can see both ways though. That’s the problem.
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I can see it
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from a point of a national security thing. If if if they’re back engineering these things and trying to if there’s a race, it’s essentially no different than if we engineered ourselves. Like, at the end, someone’s making it.
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01:57:03
And we might have integrated some of these capabilities into some of our technology that ai look out the window and see. Right? But deep in the bowels of the system, you know, there might be capabilities that were discovered or motivated through the investigation of these objects. Right?
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01:57:18
So I could see why they’re I I agree with you a 100%. Right? And I I don’t believe that what 100% of the information should come out. You know? I mean, I’ve I’ve worked in secured information. I’ve worked in the military.
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01:57:28
I understand the need for these capabilities, but the core information that we’re not alone in the universe potentially, there’s no government on Earth that has the right to hold that information.
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01:57:39
Agreed. I think everybody agrees to that. There’s there’s no reason why they should. That’s human information. And it’s if if we really, really if we’re really confronted by an absolute fact that we’re not alone, it changes everything. We kinda know it, but we’re not sure, and we haven’t seen it. And if you have seen it, you don’t know what you saw. And what is that?
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01:58:02
Think about how that would motivate us as a populist. Right? To have this Kara on a stick out to say, here’s here’s how we access the rest of the galaxy. Yeah. Right? Imagine what that would do to our technological innovation. How many millions of kids right now would go to school in order to be engineers and scientists to be able to work on this?
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Oh, yeah.
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It would completely change the world. Maybe we’d have, you know, less Facebook apps and things of that nature and AI rappers, but we would be working on deep important technology that’s gonna unlock the rest of the universe to us.
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01:58:34
Or would give in to our alien overlords because they’re coming. They’re gonna be super powerful. And every civilization that we’ve ever encountered that was primitive always had a terrible go of it once we showed up.
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01:58:45
Well, maybe we’d be better prepared.
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01:58:47
Well, I I would hope they wouldn’t be us, that they would be past what look, human beings today is, you know, especially if you follow, like, Steven Pinker’s work where you look at crime and violence throughout history. Human beings today live in the safest environment that’s ever existed for people, look relatively overall ai of all of our problems. It’s trending in a way of more peace.
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01:59:08
But if you think about no p I mean, no violence at all, none ever, just ai a complete, like, complete shut off of everything. That’s what you would have to be if you were a civilization that’s eclipsing all the problems that we have here on Earth. That’s bypassing all the war, all the bullshit, the destroying the environment, in an, you know, inequality and the allocation of resources and the control of the populace, ai, if just that’s all out the window with this super super sophisticated society.
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01:59:44
I think that is that which should motivate us, like, probably more than anything to get our shit together. To ai, like, well, this is possible. Like, this is this is the trajectory that these intelligent species go through on their road to evolution, their road to ai, and they bypass this terrible stage that we’re at right now.
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02:00:04
We’re we’re worried that these drones are searching for nuclear bombs because someone might decide to do some sort of a terrorist thing because, you know, there’s wars going on over the that if we could just know that that’s you can get past that.
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It’s like we’re in a phase where our technological development is outpacing our our social and moral development.
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Or in our biological development.
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02:00:28
Yeah.
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Just like you can only think of so many numb like a number of so many things, you can’t think of all the stars. I don’t think our biology can keep up with the input of all this technology. I think we’re getting numb. We’re getting weirded weirdly numb to it, you know. And I think it’s just so it’s so inescapable in today’s society that if you wanna be integrated into today’s society, you have to have one of those goddamn phones.
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02:00:52
You have to be connected. Like, we’re we’re moving in this very particular direction. And it seems like if we get through this chaos, what these things that we’re visiting that are visiting us, all of the things that people describe of teleconnect telekinetic communication, telepathic communication, the the ability to explain things to them in a way that, like, clarifies what they’re here for and why they’re here, that’s probably what we would do.
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02:01:23
Yeah. It sounds exactly like what we would do if we could get past all the problems of being a human being in 2024 and all the violence and chaos and all the lying and propaganda. If we got past that, that’s what we’d become. We’d become some starfaring creature that’s, like, completely enlightened and shows up and is just checking on the apes to make sure they don’t blow themselves up.
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02:01:44
It must be a hell of a time to come watch us. Right?
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Right.
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And if if think about, like, technology and technology evolution is always so much faster than biological evolution. Like, how far ahead are they? You know, if they’re a 1000000 years, what does that even look like? Yeah. Like, what does that look like?
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02:02:02
Do you hit a wall? Like, do you do they just quote unquote know everything? Right? Right. Or do and then maybe that’s what allows their their their moral compass and their biology to catch up or
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Or maybe they’re the robot custodians of the god creating intelligent beings and that all they’re doing is sent for Ai. AI created them and sent them out into the universe sai that when the apes get to the point where they start making nuclear weapons and bombs and reactors and cold fusion and gravity, they’re you you, like, just make sure they get through this.
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02:02:30
Okay. Boom. And then whatever the fuck quantum computing connected to AI becomes, that’s what it’s ai we’re farming that.
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02:02:39
That’s something I thought about, you know, when talking about biological creatures in in these crafts. Yeah. You know, it it could be that those are not things that traveled here from far away and are just kinda hanging out. Right? Like, that might have just been all
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the time.
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02:02:53
They might have created these objects, even the biological substrates, if you will, here using local materials and put them together because perhaps biological, creatures are more appropriate for the type of interactions they need to do instead of a fixed machine. Right?
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02:03:10
Oh, wow. Yeah. That completely makes sense. Right? Like, if you can create ai, which they’re very close to being able to create fake artificial ai, like in like, single cell forms and haven’t they created, ai, aren’t they, like, creating, like, artificial embryos? I believe they have started to create, like, animal embryos.
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02:03:34
And that’s just from scratch. I mean, they could beam over, you know, DNA sequences and Yeah. Fabricate them here.
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02:03:39
Yeah. But that that seems, like, totally doable. And that would make sense sai they could breathe our air too. You just engineer it sai that whatever this creature is, it does your bidding. And just they’re the custodians. They’re there’s they just hang around them. They’re not even ai advanced aliens. Synthetic human embryos created in groundbreaking advance. This is so crazy. These are human. I didn’t think they’re human.
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02:04:02
Synthetic human embryos using stem cells in a groundbreaking advance that sidesteps the need for eggs or sperm. Oh, it’s over.
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02:04:09
We’re fucked. Yes. We’re fucked.
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02:04:11
We’re so fucked. I’m so anxious. Sai scary, man. It’s so scary. So if we can do that now, something that’s a 1000000 years more advanced, it would just, like, probably send some ball of energy down. That energy would create a spaceship and the beings inside of it and, like, they’re fucking sending someone a picture through a cell phone. Yeah. It’d be that simple. Yeah.
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02:04:34
And that’s prop I mean, it’s probably what it is. They’re probably the custodians. You know, we think of them as, like, advanced alien beings. It’s probably not real. Probably advanced alien beings is Ai, and it’s the most advanced because it just goes from nothing to God. And maybe it needs custodians.
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02:04:51
The only yeah. Delivery the only thing that would change my mind on that is if they they truly have some kind of faster and light travel that allowed them to transport, you know Yeah. Physical objects from extreme distances to nearby. Right? Then because then the cost of of sending that information is irrelevant because they can just send things over.
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02:05:11
So, you know, I ai see both sides of it, but it it’s something interesting to think about, you know. I mean, imagine the the science and technology fields that a full understanding of this conversation would open up. I mean, it would open up fields of knowledge that we can only imagine right now. We only see in sci fi movies.
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02:05:27
Right. Even if we don’t understand how they’re doing it, if proven to be true, everybody has to stop and go, okay, what’s going on here? Like, how is that thing moving that quickly? Yeah. Like, where is it coming from? How did it come from 2,000 light years away? Like, how is it even possible?
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02:05:41
And then they have to figure it out. And how? I don’t know. I mean, may what what is your take on the crashes? Because that to me is always, like, god, if you’re so advanced, you can come here from another galaxy. Why you fuckers keep crashing?
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02:05:53
Like, what is it and then there’s I’m sure you’re aware of Diana Pesoka and her Yeah. Stuff. They call them donations. Ai, the people that research these things, whether or not that’s even real. But the people that I haven’t seen it.
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02:06:06
The people that the people that say they go there
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out yet.
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And find these fragments on the ground, they refer to it as, donations.
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One thing I like to think about is, you know, their planet, you know, we’re making a lot of assumptions here, but their planet might be designed a different way. Right? Like, their atmosphere might have significantly less oxygen. It could be much thicker. And so they might have had they might have bypassed this whole period where they had rocket propulsions and gas shooting out the back.
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02:06:38
And so they they might ai taken them longer to get the speak, but maybe they did so with a much more developed technology. So then they they apply that technology. They come over here. And now they’re in a regime that perhaps they were unexpecting. Mhmm. There’s, you know, gravity disturbances.
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02:06:54
There’s, you know, more oxygen in the air. There’s different things that perhaps they either weren’t expecting or just was different than their home environment. And then, oh, by the way, there’s these stupid apes that are shining stuff at us shah are launching nuclear weapons and actually knocking us out of the sky.
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02:07:10
There’s electromagnetic interference. So I could see a logic there that shows that, you know, we make the assumption that if they’re here, they’re gods. Right? They can do anything. Maybe that’s not the right way to think about it.
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02:07:22
Well, also, maybe think about the sheer numbers. So if we think that these things are real so let’s imagine they’re actually coming from another planet. So if they are coming from another planet and they’re capable of coming here, that means other planets are capable of sustaining intelligent life that could be starfarers.
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02:07:39
So if that’s possible here and there, it’s probably all over the place. So if it’s all over the place, who knows how many numbers of things you’re dealing with and how far advanced they arya? And, like like you said, like, what technology did they develop? We think we always think technology is, like, completely linear and we we think that, like, what we did and the way we did is the only way it could be done.
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02:08:04
But the best evidence that’s not true is Egypt. The best evidence that that’s not true exists. You can go touch it with your hand. You could see photographs of it online. We don’t know what the fuck they did. And whatever they did was super advanced for 4,500 years ago.
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02:08:20
We don’t know what machines they used. We don’t know how they cut it. We don’t know how they measured it. We don’t know shit how they figured out to put it north, south, east, and west almost perfectly. No one knows. No one understands how they got the stones there.
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02:08:32
It’s all speculation and guesswork. But whatever it is, it’s insanely impressive and a different sort of way of implementing human ingenuity and engineering and thought into construction. It’s very different than anything we’ve done. So it’s a clear path. Like, they had an enormous amount of resources in that area, and they had sustained a civilization there for 1,000 and 1,000 of years to the point there.
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02:08:59
They had developed methods and technologies that we don’t understand today because they’re not here anymore. I love the work.
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02:09:06
I love the work that Graham Hancock has been doing, and I see it as almost like a parallel conversation, the one we’re having. Yes. I mean, there’s something here. A lot of people can go out and look at it. I mean, sure. I’ve never been to pyramids, but, you know, the the information is there if you’re willing to go look at it.
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02:09:21
And there’s this massive stigma within the academic community to sai, no. No. That’s not right. Right? Because they’re in this zero sum game.
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02:09:28
They’re all trying to win the next, you know, contract and grant, and they just wanna stay right within the line of what’s acceptable. And he’s bringing forward very interesting points about a time period that we I think we all understand now is a lot less understood than we thought.
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02:09:43
There’s also parallel civilizations that coexisted with European civilizations that are very similar to what we know about in history that were like, the Mayans, for instance. Like, what the fuck was going on in Mexico? Like, how come because we know when that was, like, there like, when Cortes visited, was it Cortes or Cabeza de Vaca?
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02:10:04
Who who visited the Mayans and wrote about it? It might have been Cabeza de Vaca. I think it’s in that move the the book, A Strange New Land. But when when they first encountered these people before they gave them diseases, like, they had this insane civilization with gold headdresses and ornate dressing, ai, and everybody’s like, what is this?
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02:10:24
Yeah. Like, there’s insane stone structures and this human sacrifice, like, the fuck are you guys doing here? Like, this is a totally completely different type of civilization. While in Europe, they’re wearing fucking wigs and they’re trotting around and, like, all coexisting.
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02:10:41
So we know that human beings can go in very different directions in terms of the way their society develops and the technologies they implement, why wouldn’t we think that that would be the case with everything in the known universe? Ai, everything in the known universe, there’s probably an infinite number of paths that intelligent creatures can go to creating technology.
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02:11:03
And ai you’re saying, some of them might take, like, way longer Mhmm. Than our path of, you know, implementing combust combustion engines and electronics, and they might be using frequencies. They might be using some sort of different way of generating energy that we don’t understand.
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02:11:20
Maybe their planet has super strong electromagnetic fields. Right? And so they can leverage that in a way we can’t.
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02:11:25
Well, the thing Lazar was talking about was that this planet had a stable version of this element one 15. But I think, you meh, even what does that even mean? What is element 115? If there’s a 114, element 115 is wherever the fuck you find next. Right? If you don’t know what it is.
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02:11:40
Ai, it and it was all theoretical until they the Large Hadron Ai, They developed a a version of it for, you know, a a millisecond sai they know that it’s a real thing. There’s he’s saying they have a stable version. Like, well, if you live in a completely different solar system and a completely different planet with completely different There’s planets out there that are made entirely of diamonds. Yeah.
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02:12:00
Did you see that one? Yeah. Yeah. Found a giant diamond in the sky. Meh
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02:12:04
a picture
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02:12:04
of that.
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02:12:05
Look ai?
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02:12:06
Yeah. What the fuck? Like, I think that there’s probably an infinite number of ways intelligent life evolves and some of it probably doesn’t look anything like us. Like ai. Like octopuses, they they have no need because they’re in the ocean and there’s no houses in the ocean, so they have no need to, like, build things, but they’re super smart, man.
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02:12:25
They open up jars. They figure out a way to get out of a fish tank, walk across the floor, climb into the next fish tank, kill a fish, eat it, climb back, and go back in their tank.
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02:12:35
That’s why I don’t own own a squid because or an octopus. Because if I saw that in the middle of the night, it would freak me the fuck out.
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02:12:41
They’re really smart, man. They’re weirdly smart, and we don’t even know why or how, you know? Yeah. They they have eyes that separated the I mean, but tyler like, whatever an eye was developed, an eye was developed for them and an eye was developed for us. Ai, and we branched off from the evolutionary chain, like, who knows how many 100 of 1000000 of years ago.
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02:13:03
I I learned a pretty interesting little tidbit here. You know, I mean, the octopus, apparently, its DNA is not like anything else on this planet. But apparently the Hawaiians have a a ancient tradition that octopus basically came from the sky. Isn’t that interesting?
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02:13:19
That is interesting, but, you know, with panspermia they do think that it’s possible that planets when they get hit by asteroids, a big chunk of it can fly off and the DNA from that rock can enter into this new environment. And with some things ai spores, spores survive in a vacuum.
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02:13:38
That’s one of the thoughts about psilocybin mushrooms that perhaps they were they arrived here from somewhere else on a rock, which is it’s a real possibility. Like, that’s where most of the iridium that they find when they have those big when they do those big digs and they find that layer of iridium that’s near where there’s an asteroid impact, that’s all just shit that came from space.
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02:13:59
Yeah. I mean, if you look back at, like, the evolution of humans to monkeys to, you know, fish and then, you know, multicellular organisms and, the introduction of the mitochondria, smaller simple single cell organisms. There’s a very linear path of evolution. And very early on, there’s a massive jump where we went from extremely simple bits and pieces to essentially this big jump in in complexity for these these small systems.
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02:14:31
And there’s a theory out there that that that jump occurred due to seeding from elsewhere. Right? That perhaps that the whole path is linear and it occurred over time perhaps, and they think the time period is, like, several 1000000000 years, right, for the the evolution from these these components to get to essentially a single celled organism that these components evolved independently, in space, perhaps feeding off a gamma radiation or other, gamma energy or other, energies that are out in space.
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02:15:05
And so that evolutionary process did take 1,000,000,000 of years. It just didn’t occur on a particular planet. And then over ai, as meteorites hit the Earth, then we see this uptake in complexity because of the arrival and then the further evolution of of the biological, you know, chain that led to us.
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02:15:21
And, you know, it’s pretty interesting, you know, kinda tied to that theory is that, you know, the the big bang happened and things, you know, gradually cooled down. I mean, there was a point where, and I think the number is, like, 500000 years where the universe was essentially room temperature. Right?
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02:15:38
Like, everywhere in the universe had, like, a dish distribution of temperature that was equivalent to what we’re sitting in right now before it continued to cool off and get weird. So there could have been these opportunities in the universal process that allowed for the development of lifelike components that eventually went out to seed the universe, which would be a really interesting concept because it would lead us to believe that this probably happened in multiple places and not just here.
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02:16:04
That is a fascinating idea that it’s like seeds. And, I mean, that’s the function that these asteroids have when that’s what that’s what happens when they land and they spread whatever’s on them. You could imagine, like, that’s the function of asteroid slamming into plants, knocking chunks off, and flying that stuff into space.
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02:16:24
That’s why we have water here, you know. I mean, we didn’t just organically, like, create water on this planet. It came from asteroids and other debris.
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02:16:32
It’s a comet. Right?
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02:16:33
Like Comets. Yep.
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02:16:34
Yeah. Yep. Arya lot of comets are just made out of just ice. Right? Yeah. Which is fucking nuts. There’s a chunk of ice bigger than Manhattan flying through the sky.
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02:16:44
Imagine. Or ai.
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02:16:45
It leaves it ai. And leaving trails. And some of them, they they can ai. Like, that’s that’s gonna be really fascinating once they figure out how to do that, land on an asteroid and mine it.
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02:16:54
Yeah. $1,000,000,000,000 industry.
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02:16:56
That was a Bruce Willis movie. Right? Wasn’t it?
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02:16:58
Well, I think they’re trying to blow one up.
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02:17:00
I think it was.
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02:17:00
It was a Bruce Willis movie. Ai there.
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02:17:03
Are we getting? Yeah. Alright. They weren’t mining. Right?
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02:17:05
They They trained miners how to be astronaut because that was clearly the easiest choice. Right. They’re training astronauts to mine.
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02:17:11
Well, this we we were getting to that, the James Webb Telescope secret secret squirrel meeting. Did you find anything on that? Nothing?
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02:17:19
I don’t mean I don’t don’t know what specifically I was supposed to be looking for.
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02:17:23
Okay. Let’s try let’s try it. Let’s say James Webb Telescope, Top Secret Meeting, Urgent Discovery.
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02:17:34
I’ve had everything ai Sai have Give me the bullshit.
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02:17:37
Give me the stuff that’s shady.
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02:17:39
There was a congressman that had a classified meeting about the James Webb.
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02:17:42
I’m
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02:17:42
like, you know, it’s like they have many discoveries. I don’t know.
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02:17:46
Oh, no. No. No. Not not discovery. Top secret
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02:17:50
Classified.
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02:17:51
Ai meeting discovery. Come on, Jamie. Indulge me.
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02:17:58
You know, we don’t usually type put classified stuff out there.
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02:18:01
Yeah. Do it. Put it out there.
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02:18:03
NASA denies existence of classified briefings on James. This is 2 months ago, so right after Oh,
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02:18:07
so it definitely happened. Yeah. It definitely happened if they denied it.
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02:18:11
I mean, I don’t Ai don’t
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02:18:13
It’s probably bullshit. Black hole. It’s probably a fun thing. NASA denies it. In recent weeks, rumors spread rapidly on social media, I think I was involved in that, suggesting that NASA’s James Webb Telescope, had made an extraordinary discovery, potentially alien ai. The members of Congress had been briefed about it.
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02:18:30
The rumors intensified after US representative Andre Carson, who had previously chaired a congressional hearing on identified aerial phenomena, declined to answer a question about classified briefings when asked ai, I don’t know who that is, run by journalist Matt Lasso on x last excuse meh, Lasso on x.
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02:18:49
He’s been doing good work in the UAP topic.
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02:18:51
Matt Lasso? Yeah. Shout out to Matt. Speculation, prompted a Freedom of Information Act request filled by the black ball on September 22, 2024, seeking any records classified or unclassified about James Webb Space Telescope briefings provided to congress particularly related to the telescope’s ai.
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02:19:11
The request aimed to clarify whether any congressional briefings had been held, about significant discoveries made by the telescope, which has been in operation since 2021. So the response was a copy of records, which includes videos, photos, electronic, or otherwise of all briefings about James Webb’s, telescope and program made for congress.
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02:19:33
I ask that you include all classified and unclassified briefings on the James Webb Telescope ram or briefings on findings made by that program. It says those searches located no records responsive to your request. Okay. Neither confirm nor deny. I meh, if I was, hiding the fact we’re gonna get hit by an asteroid, that’s how I would do it. I wouldn’t tell people.
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02:20:02
I wouldn’t respond to this feed. What what freedom of information work what are you gonna put me in jail? We’re gonna be dead in 16 months. Like, this is a fucking there’s a planet heading our way. You know, planets get hit by other planets sometime.
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02:20:15
Or maybe they detected signs of life around an exoplanet.
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02:20:19
That’s the fun one. Yeah. The fun one is signs of life. The fun one is an actual spaceship. The fun one is, something that they they can’t explain that changes everything that we hold dear and believe to be true, whatever that means.
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02:20:37
You know, we’ve we’ve gone down the rabbit hole with some some fun speculative conversation about what’s out in speak, but I just sana make the point that, like, this is still a solvable problem here on planet Earth. Right? Like, we can’t let, like, the the fun speculation of what’s going on out in the universe stop these ai of stodgy academics and others to say, well, this is not relevant to me.
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02:20:59
This is not practical. There’s nothing here. Right? Like, we need an intense focus on this within our government at the highest levels, not just within an organization with the Pentagon. And we need to engage our scientific and academic community and remove the stigma at the highest levels. I’m hoping Trump will do that.
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02:21:15
You think the bottleneck has been the the security clearance of it all or the the bottleneck has been the lack of transparency? Like, if we if people just knew, that would be that would be the end of it.
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02:21:28
I think so. I think that would absolutely. And, of course, by people knowing they’re gonna wanna have some evidence that they can use to to do research on. Yeah. But even if the president just came out the other day or, you know, the next week or in a few months and sai, we don’t know what they are.
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02:21:45
We have moderate to high confidence that they don’t originate through any known adversary or nation on Earth. Help us figure this out.
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02:21:55
But Biden and Harris have been, like, the last managers of Blockbuster Video. You know what I mean? They knew the fucking gig was up. Like, don’t even show up. It’s over. This the building’s going under. The the lease is done in 2 weeks. Fuck this.
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02:22:10
I understand.
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02:22:10
It’s not even at work.
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02:22:11
I understand it’s a policy of the Biden administration to downplay this topic at the highest levels.
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02:22:17
You understand that this is, like, a mandate? If this is something I
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02:22:20
don’t know if I wanna use the word mandate, but their policy
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02:22:23
This is their instructions? Yeah.
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02:22:26
So I think I think with the the folks that are friendly to this topic coming in with the Trump administrate administration open up a very key opportunity window for us to move this conversation forward.
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02:22:38
When you look at it from their perspective, what would rationalize trying to downplay this? Like, if you you look at it from their perspective, like, what could possibly be the case where they think it would be good to propagandize or sway people in that direction.
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02:22:59
To stop our adversaries being aware of the reality situation and from investing into it and and proceeding past and because, again, we’re artificially constraining ourselves. Right? Because we’re trying to keep it a secret.
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02:23:12
Oh, right.
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02:23:13
So now that game is changing. Right? That game is changing because it, you know, it appears that China is making investments and has a large amount of interest in this topic. And we’re at a point now where if we continue to do that, we’re gonna simply fall ai. And I think there’s been this this delay within the Biden administration to just kind of ignore that problem for the next you know, for whatever problem is more relevant.
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02:23:38
He’s probably more, you know, worried about his son and, the legal issues he’s in than this this massive issue.
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02:23:45
I don’t think he’s running anything. This is, like, I I I really do think he’s the last manager of Block Buster right now. That’s what I think. I I just I don’t she’s not even showing up for it. I never see her anywhere anymore.
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02:23:56
Yeah. They’re just
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02:23:57
unfortunate. They’re jacked out. It’s over. Yeah. But that that the problem with that is, okay, then who? Who’s running it? And why why, you know, why are you holding back that stuff?
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02:24:08
Whoever’s been running it, I think. Yeah. So I think this I mean, can you imagine how president Trump would be remembered across history if he moved this conversation forward?
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02:24:19
Yeah. We just knew what they know. Just you don’t have to tell us what it what’s possible, what what it can do, what you’ve engineered from it. Tell us something’s going on. What is that thing? What’s that thing that’s going on?
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02:24:34
Yep.
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02:24:34
Is that thing ours? If that’s if it is, that’s fucking crazy. You guys have been holding back some insane shit. And if it’s not ours, then we need to know. And I think that that would change the human conversation. I mean, it would be how I mean, Ronald Reagan talked about that in the United Nations speech in, like, was it the 19 eighties? Yeah.
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02:24:55
Do you remember that speech?
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02:24:56
Well, I
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02:24:56
don’t remember that.
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02:24:57
Remember learning about it.
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02:24:59
He talked about how united we would all be if the threat of an alien invasion was happening on Earth, how quickly we’d put aside our differences.
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02:25:07
Well, that’s why we have the red phone with Russia. Right?
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02:25:10
To be
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02:25:10
able to
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02:25:10
Is it really red?
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02:25:11
Is it really red?
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02:25:12
Yeah. It used to be. I’m sure it’s, you know, a text message now. But I
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02:25:15
wonder if they even have a phone anymore?
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02:25:16
Well, they do. And they do with China as well now. Although, it’s it’s less
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02:25:20
But is it like a phone phone? Like, hello?
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02:25:22
I I don’t know the structure
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02:25:24
of it.
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02:25:24
It used to be. But it was there in order to oh.
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02:25:28
Let’s hear this.
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02:25:33
All the members of humanity, perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize this common bound. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet Ai ask you, is not an alien force already among us?
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02:26:00
What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war. 2 centuries ago in a hall much smaller than this one, in Philadelphia, Americans met to draft
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02:26:18
Hell of a speech.
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02:26:23
Yeah. Maybe it’s time for another one.
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02:26:26
Yeah. If they know, tell us. It’d be good be good if you let us know. And if we did have like, what can you imagine? Let’s imagine that you get into this position, and it’s your job to get this information out to the public. What kind of resistance do you think you’re gonna face?
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02:26:48
Because it seems like if there’s been deals that have been done with defense contractors and, like, that’s how you kinda have to have work on it. Right? Mhmm. Like, who else is gonna know what to do? Yeah. Like, you kinda have to get contractors on this thing. You’re gonna have to get the best and the brightest.
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02:27:06
You got a fucking UFO. Ai figured this out.
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02:27:09
We haven’t had support from the top in the past. Right? So we’re in such a position. You would have to have be working closely with the White House, and you would have to have the White House’s buy in on this. I think that’s the only way. And from the top of the executive branch, you use that position of influence, you pass additional, you know, presidential memorandums and executive orders that countermand, previous memorandums that may have existed in the past in order to legally compel these organizations from the the chief executive to be able to move the conversation forward, to require them to bring this information out, to require them to collaborate.
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02:27:49
And, you know, it doesn’t have to be a one person job. You bring in some of the brightest people in our country in order to evaluate this data, come to a conclusion, and then share those conclusions with the American people.
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02:28:01
Okay. Let’s imagine, you get this position and you go through this search and you find out that this is all all our technology and that we can’t allow China or Russia to know that we’re capable of using these kind of technologies that are unheard of right now. So we have to keep it as a national security secret. What do you do about that? Something like that.
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02:28:23
I mean, ultimately, if the answer is that there is nothing unusual going on here, then we have to respect that. Ai? I mean But
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02:28:30
it is very unusual.
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02:28:31
Well, I
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02:28:32
You know, if you’ve got these things that are moving the way these things are moving in their hours.
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02:28:35
Yeah. And I don’t think that’s the case here, you know, for all the reasons that we’ve discussed today. Right. So, you know, Ai ultimately, it’s about finding the truth. Right? It’s not about finding your way to a conclusion that you already support.
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02:28:48
Okay. I wonder what the world would be like if, if it was fully accepted, if disclosure was fully accepted. I wonder what the world would be like if, like, Trump gets into office, Trump has a press conference, he brings you up, you explain what we know. This is over the last 16 months. Our team has discovered this, that, and that. We’ve personally investigated this, that, and the other. Where’s the where are the crashed ones?
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02:29:15
Okay. Where the fuck are you guys hiding those? Because if that’s real, that’s the end. Yeah. All you have to do is bring the president to the crash site and, you know, you bring him into the warehouse and you show him this thing and you walk around it and you go, what the fuck is this?
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02:29:29
What the fuck is this? That would be the end. All you’d have to do is just get a camera crew, go with them, Trump walking around a spaceship. Okay. We’ve been visited. Now we know ai whatever, by whoever. Maybe it’s not even a visitor. Maybe it’s always been here. Maybe it lives in the ocean.
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02:29:50
Maybe it’s been monitoring us from there, and its sole purpose is, like I said before, custodian
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02:29:57
to
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02:29:57
make sure we don’t blow ourselves up. But either way, we should probably know that. We should probably know there’s fucking bases in the ocean, you know, which because a lot of them, they’ve seen in their transmedium. They move through the air and then they go into the water and then they make a splash. And so, like, okay. What is that?
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02:30:12
We would have for the first time, I think, a clear direction of where we need to go as a society. It would revamp our academic processes, our fields of study, our beliefs in, you know, religious ai. I don’t think they would nullify it. I think they would probably amplify it. And it would, I think, have the equivalent impact of a positive nuclear bomb on our economy.
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02:30:36
We would have certainty in what direction to invest in and what technologies to pursue. And I think that by having that direction, that would again, nuclear bomb level increase in capabilities where we would be able to, you know, be working on propulsion and energy systems and material systems that would advance us well beyond where we are today.
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02:30:59
It would lead progress. And if we sit on our hands, we don’t do that, we’re gonna find our adversaries in a position to do that instead, which would completely rewrite the geopolitical environment.
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02:31:12
If we reach technological proficiency in in all this AI stuff and quantum if we reach this first, then what do you think that looks like?
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02:31:26
I think well, we already are in AI to some degree, but I don’t think it’s a technology you can necessarily contain to one country. I mean, China’s already has their own AI out there, so I think it’s gonna be somewhat business as usual, at least on the AI side. Quantum computing, a little bit different. The technology investment is much ai.
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02:31:44
But still, if China can come in and potentially steal that technology and replicate it, then we’re just in another level of arms race at that point. But if we have the ability to invest in deep technologies that we aware have an endpoint in reality instead of having to guess the strategic value of something, it’s gonna allow us to focus our resources in a way that we haven’t had the opportunity to do in this country.
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02:32:10
That’s sai great rose colored glasses view of it. That sounds really good. It does. When you say it that way, I’m like, wow, it’s a very positive outlook. I hope you’re right.
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02:32:22
What do you think?
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02:32:23
I don’t know, you know. I definitely don’t know. I I go back and forth a lot. I go back and forth as to whether or not these are visitors or whether or not they’re interdimensional and they’re always here. I go back and forth whether or not they’re ours. I think some of them are ours probably.
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02:32:38
I go back and forth to Lazar’s talk about how they they they had been doing flights with these things. They’d figured out how to at least get them off the ground and move them around the sky and have them land again. If that was going on, if that’s real, that was going on 1989, who knows? Who knows what the fuck we have right now if that’s real?
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02:32:55
But if we are being visited, it’s it’s a complete revamping of our position in the universe. If we do realize we’re part of a a community of intelligent life that’s in the universe and that it just takes a while for you to be technologically sophisticated enough where you can communicate or travel to these places, but it eventually happens.
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02:33:21
And then we just ai, like, like, the lights come on. There’s, like, a 1,000,000,000 eyes out there staring back vatsal, like, woah. We’re all connected in this thing.
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02:33:29
Well, I think it would give us a lot of reason to collaborate.
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02:33:32
It would give us a lot of reason to collaborate and, like Ronald Reagan was saying, it would force us to recognize that we really are one thing here on on planet Earth. It’s us together. We we’re not different countries. It’s fucking it’s crazy. We’re all just there’s courses different countries, but we’re just human beings. Yeah.
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02:33:48
We should all just be, like, the same thing. We don’t need to fight. There’s no reason for any of this stuff. All this shit can be worked out. In in the future, it should be. I just think technology’s gotta kinda, like, help us along in that direction. That’s probably exactly what’s happening.
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02:34:03
But it’s pretty strange that in the in the meanwhile, like, in the what we’re facing today with these superpowers duking it out and trying to develop technological and military dominance, this would be in the movie the exact time that alien life would start showing up. If you’re gonna have a movie, like, where the aliens come to make sure we don’t kill ourselves, now would be arrival time.
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02:34:27
Yep.
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Now would be the time.
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02:34:28
It’s like we’re all sitting in Plato’s cave duking it out, arguing about what’s on the wall Right. When a few people are creeping upstairs ai that we have a lot bigger things to worry about.
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02:34:40
Yeah. Yeah. We have a lot bigger things to worry about and a lot bigger things to look forward to. Yep. And I think, the only way we’re gonna know what the territory is is if we get a a legitimate map. I think some people have a legitimate map of what we’re looking vatsal some people don’t. And that’s where you and I agree that’s kinda fucked up.
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02:35:01
Yeah.
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02:35:02
And it’s not their position. You shouldn’t be able to.
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02:35:05
Well, people like yourself bring in detention this topic, Joe, is ai. You know? I mean, we have I think the momentum that we’ve seen over the past 3, 4, 5, 8 years since I’ve been doing this is really changing the conversation. I speak with people every single day. I work this every single day, Joe, 7 days a week.
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02:35:22
And the amount of people that are changing their tune and coming around in this conversation at all levels of engineering, scientific background, financial resources is absolutely huge, and I think the pressure is going to continue to build. And I think that the opportunity we have here with the new administration is unprecedented.
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02:35:40
And I think we need to do everything we can do to leverage that to move the conversation to a point of no return.
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02:35:47
I think it’s possible to do. I really do. And I think that’s what the general public wants at this point.
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02:35:53
We’re doing it.
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02:35:54
I think people are really tired of not knowing. Like, if they’re it’s all bullshit, tell me it’s bullshit. Like, tell me how you know it’s bullshit. And if it’s all real, fuck you for hiding it for so long. How you’ve been hiding this for so long? How do you think this if you had to guess, how do you think this drone thing gets resolved? I mean, they can’t just stay in the sky.
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02:36:15
I have this ai of pit in my stomach that this will probably stop in, like, a week or 2, and then we won’t learn anything new. Now I don’t know if that’s how it’s gonna play out, but that would be consistent with what happened in past years.
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02:36:32
Do you think it’s possible that they’re just testing to see how people would react to drones flying around space?
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02:36:43
Due to the lack of coordination in government on this topic, I would assume if that’s what they were doing, they would have had a better plan to communicate.
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02:36:51
But why would they communicate with state and local authorities if they could do it in a way where they get clearance to do it and, you know, it’s a need to know thing, and they just, like, have these things fly around just to gauge how the public’s perception would be?
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02:37:08
Even within the federal government, there seems to be confusion. Right? So I’m not even referring to local government and law enforcement. I’m talking about, like, government agencies that are actively investigating this seem to be out of the loop as well. So if they are trying to trick us when I when I mean us, I mean, like, basically everyone, you know, even within the government, even what people would need to know.
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02:37:29
Ai mean, I just it’s so hard for me to rationalize that they would be willing to manipulate 95% of the government in order to run some kind of experiment or social test with unclear value at the end of that chain. Right? Like, what what exactly are they preparing us for? Is it a broader integration of UAP knowledge into our conversation?
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02:37:53
That’s the only thing I could think that would require such secrecy.
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02:37:59
Well, do we have drones that are capable of doing exactly what these things are doing?
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02:38:05
I think so. I mean, for the vast majority of cases that I’ve seen, you know, on social media whatnot, I think so.
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02:38:12
So is this, meh or these Chinese drones, like, the the top of the line drones that can do what these things are doing? Are we making those here?
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02:38:20
I would have to make the assumption that the government with the defense community has built various drones that are capable of doing similar things for deployment overseas. Ai? So, again, there’s not one video. I know we’ve looked a little bit for one that exhibits capabilities that gives us the high level of confidence that they’re completely unusual, but we’re not seeing that necessarily.
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02:38:44
So I can’t jump to that conclusion yet based off of the information that’s being presented. But the overall activities of all these objects and the historical consistency with other sightings in this part of the country lend lend me to still consider that there’s anomalous activity that’s going on in this area.
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02:39:03
Anomalous in terms of what we know we’re capable of?
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02:39:07
Yes.
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02:39:08
Like, what is an example of anomalous that exceeds our capabilities?
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02:39:14
Increased signal management. Right? Not being able to be detected, for our very we have very sophisticated radar systems on the eastern seaboard, including including in New Jersey. So to have objects that are able to essentially evade those detection mechanisms and appear mysterious and disappear of the ocean or come from the ocean in a way that’s untrackable should not be possible.
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02:39:40
That’s why we have the $1,000,000,000 systems. So have we developed these capabilities? They’re not just radar, but infrared, being able to block infrared, and even being able to detect objects in their proximity and even turn their lights off. Right? And, of course, these aren’t magical technologies. We can probably imagine a path there, but it creates a lot of uncertainty about the origin of these objects and their intent.
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02:40:05
Right? Are we trying to evade or evade our own capabilities and cause a mass panic over our own country? Is this a foreign adversary that has had breakthroughs in these capabilities? Not just breakthroughs in these capabilities, but, you know, Iran and China and Russia, for them to be operating off the eastern seaboard, it’s not a small task, right, to, like, load up a ship, have it be stealthy, and then launch all these drones without a point of origin.
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02:40:30
That’s not a trivial problem for them. Right? We’re we’re the only countries in the world that has a true global navy, and it would even be difficult for us to do. Civilian drones. You know, I mean, are there civilians operating these? Hundreds of drones without detection, without flaw, without failure, without crashing?
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02:40:48
Very, very strange that that would be the case as well. So, again, it’s I can’t I look at all these different options, and I can I can I can see a rationale to say, okay? Some of these are not exhibiting capabilities that make me think it came from somewhere else necessarily, but all these all these kind of facts lined up one after another makes it really anomalous and ai the mystery still.
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02:41:12
But, again, I think we can figure this out, Joe. Like, we can get the proper technology there. We can go figure this out. And if the government’s not gonna do it, I will.
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02:41:22
How are you gonna do it though? Like, without the government? Like, what would you do There’s ai now? Sai Ram never calls you. Yeah. You gotta go figure it out. What are you gonna do?
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02:41:29
I’m gonna take RF receivers, from Counterdrone Technologies. I’m gonna go out into these hot spots. We’re gonna be looking for the signals that they may be emitting. And then using mobile platforms, we’ll be there to be able to detect the strength of the signals, and we’ll essentially follow them, see where they go.
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02:41:46
And that might include, you know, operating an aircraft. That might include, a ship offshore that we can hand off this information to sai they can track them when they go over the water. It’s just a resource problem. It’s not a technology problem.
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02:41:58
So if there is a ship that’s launching them off the coast, what what kind of technological capabilities would that ship have to have to be there undetected to where they don’t know where these things are coming from? How far away would it have to be where that’s even feasible?
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02:42:15
There’s a couple couple paths. One of them, you know, it would have to be perhaps ai a submarine launched
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02:42:21
Oh.
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02:42:22
Ship. Right? And we have very good detection underwater, especially off our coast.
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02:42:26
How many, like, drones could you fit on a submarine?
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02:42:29
Well, that’s the thing. Right? So especially car ai drones, probably not too many. So we’re talking about perhaps a different class of submarine or multiple submarines. They probably don’t have the ability to recover these objects.
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02:42:40
Would it have to be a submarine or could it be a giant ship?
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02:42:43
I don’t I don’t think we could have a giant ship off our coast without the navy or other other DOD assets knowing it’s there. So These satellites and everything else.
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02:42:52
If these things are launching from the water, they must be sana launching from something that was under the water.
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02:42:59
That would be my hypothesis.
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02:43:01
But there’s no ship that’s been sighted. Right?
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02:43:04
Correct.
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02:43:05
What if there’s a fucking civilization in the water? It sounds so stupid, but did you ever see that one video where they shah this thing? It was an underwater camera. I think it was focused on, an oil rig, and you see something flying through the background.
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02:43:19
Yep. I do see that.
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02:43:20
Something like 500 knots
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02:43:22
in the water. Flash ai. Yeah. Ai have reports from submarine operators of very fast objects under the water.
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02:43:30
Yeah. What the fuck?
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02:43:33
USOs, underwater or ai, submersed objects. I mean, our water our planet is mostly covered in water. Our sensing underwater is not as good as in the air. There’s less traffic under there. It would be, you know, a logical place to set up shop.
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02:43:50
Yeah. I mean, and how much of the ocean has actually been discovered or explored rather? It’s ai 10% or something crazy.
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02:43:57
Yeah. Pretty small.
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02:43:58
And there’s an insane deep speak vatsal something could just go and hang out.
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02:44:02
Or move around, stay mobile.
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02:44:03
Yeah. Well, listen. I hope you get a phone call. I hope you get a phone call and somebody listens to this and says, that sounds like it would be a good thing for everybody if we knew what the hell was going on, if it’s possible to talk about. But again, without you out there telling your story and, guys like commander David Fravor and all these different people that have had these experiences and encountered things and are aware of it and know that it’s a real issue.
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02:44:35
Without real credible voices like yourself, this conversation falls into the hands of silly people like meh. You know, ai like, if I if I’m interested in UFOs, I was interested in Bigfoot for a long time. You know what I mean? I I I some of it is just fun for meh. But when guys like you come out and talk about it and when, you know, the New York Times writes that article in 2017 and you get the Gimbal video and the Go Fast video, all of a sudden it’s like, okay, this is a phenomenon.
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02:45:02
This is a real thing. What is it and why don’t we know? And why why aren’t we being told what what we do know?
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02:45:08
They don’t deny it anymore. I mean, within government, when they communicate, it’s clear from the Pentagon to the executive branch to legislative branch that, yes, there are objects. We don’t know what they are, and they seem to be exhibiting capabilities beyond the state of the art.
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02:45:23
I mean, that’s we’re at a point in the conversation where that seems to be pretty widely accepted at this point.
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02:45:28
How hard would it be for people to accept that it’s coming from an underwater civilization that’s popping out to check on us?
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02:45:35
That might be harder than the whole alien theory.
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02:45:37
Right. It would be almost crazier almost crazier to think that we coexisted with, an alien civilization that’s under the water that we didn’t know about.
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02:45:46
When do we feel foolish?
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02:45:47
We would feel so stupid. We thought we’re the Speak Predators. We thought we’re running shit. These things are just hovering over our cities. Listen, meh. I really hope you get that phone call. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you ai like I said, I really mean it. If it wasn’t for people like you that had the courage to come out and talk about these things because I know there’s a there was a long time where, airline pilots, a lot a lot of different people just didn’t wanna talk about their experiences because it seemed like they were silly and they would be mocked.
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02:46:12
Yep. And it was widely dismissed. And now it’s kind of generally acknowledged that something’s going on, you know, even from our own governors. Our our own government. So thank you. If it wasn’t for guys like you, Ai, I don’t know where this whole conversation would be.
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02:46:28
Oh, well,
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02:46:29
we’re still doing a good work. Yeah. Please do it. Tell everybody the website one more time.
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02:46:33
Safe aerospace.org. Okay.
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02:46:35
Please
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02:46:35
sign up. And you can report there. Please sign up as well. Ram? Twitter, uncertain at uncertain vector. Excuse me. X.
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02:46:43
X. Yes. Okay. Thank you, man. Appreciate it.
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02:46:46
Thanks, Joe.
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02:46:46
Fire buddy ai.
