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Julian Lennon is a Grammy-nominated singer/songwriter, photographer, author, and filmmaker. His new fine art photography coffee table book, “Life’s Fragile Moments,” is available now, as is the Spike Stent remix of his 1998 song “I Should Have Known.”
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#2243 – Julian Lennon Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the conversation revolves around the vastness of information available and the humbling realization of how little we know in comparison. A recurring theme is the appreciation of life’s simple moments and the importance of capturing and sharing experiences. The discussion touches on the role of technology in disseminating information to millions, highlighting the marvel of modern communication.
A notable guest, who is both a brilliant scientist and a successful musician, is mentioned. This guest has been featured on the podcast multiple times, impressing Joe Rogan with his diverse talents and insights. The conversation underscores the value of presenting information and experiences without imposing them on others, allowing audiences to derive their own meanings.
Actionable insights include the importance of expressing gratitude and appreciating the present moment, which can have profound benefits. The episode also emphasizes the significance of prioritizing meaningful experiences with loved ones, as these are considered the most valuable aspects of life.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of humility, appreciation, and the power of sharing knowledge and experiences to enrich others’ lives, especially those who may not have the means to explore the world themselves.
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#2243 – Julian Lennon Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Ai go sai this dermatologist.
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Oh, your little
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skin Yeah. A little excision here because it had been bothering me a bit. And a couple of years ago, I had a bit of a cancer scare on my head. Yeah. Because I have Ai have a birthmark here that you don’t really sai. And there was a mole there, and I kept as my hair got a little thinner, I would I would use a comb.
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And it caught it one time and I opened it up. And so I I I I kind of kept picking at it when it became a sai, and I kept picking over the course of, like, 6 months. And then I went to see this dermatologist for the first time in LA. And I said, yeah, I’ve got a little bit of a, you know, I’ve been trying not to scratch it now, but I’m a bit worried about it.
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It’s been ai 6 months of me being an idiot because it just was really irritable. And so she’s, you know, cut it out and sent it off. And, I was at a pretty serious meeting with a whole bunch of people, and she called me up at the end of it and she said, ai, I’m sorry to tell you this, but it’s it’s cancerous.
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You know? Oh, we gotta cut it out. We gotta get it. And, yeah, I just went completely numb at that point and freaked out because I just thought, what does this mean in its in the bigger picture? And I you know, I had a lot of friends that have passed from cancer, various kinds over the years. And so it really did freak me out.
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Anyway, I got the all clear. It was cleaned out. And so just anything that just
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Looks weird.
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Looks or feels a little odd. Kinda not. That was something I was I’ve been scratching here a bit. Something here as well. So she just did a little cutting and, no doubt Ai hear from her in a few days once she gets the results.
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That’s scary because it was in a spot that you don’t check. You know, it’s covered in hair. You don’t know what’s going on back there.
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Yeah. But it was because of the birthmark. And, you know, I just, I just kept and the thinning thinner hair. And so I just kept, you know, brushing it with a comb and and it caught it. And then it scabbed. And then I it became itchy. And so I kept scratching it, you know, pulling pulling it off ai a kid, you know, as you do as you just anyway, I’m I’m I’m happy to be here in
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in one
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one piece for the moment. You know?
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I got one of those comprehensive blood panel screens for cancer recently. And then, you know, you wait a while for the results and you’re like, jeez. Like, what if I’m one of those people?
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Ai yeah. I I just
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I have have anything, but
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Yeah. I have the I have, you know, I go for a a proper checkup, like, twice a year, you know, just on every front just to make sure I’m gonna be around because I like living. That’s good. I sana be around for a long time.
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That’s good.
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I know. For sure.
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Yeah. It’s a weird thing because, you know how old do you know? 61. Yeah. I’m 57, and we’re getting up there, fella.
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I don’t like to think about it.
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I don’t I’m Ai
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completely in denial. Absolutely. I refuse, you know, because Ai, yeah, I just remember seeing my uncles, you know, my on my mother’s side, what they were like in their fifties saloni, you know. And they’d be sitting there with a big belly in front of the TV with, you know, a couple of packets of cigarettes and drinking tea or beer and watching the TV all day.
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And that was their life in their fifties sixties until they had a heart attack and died. And I went, no. I’m not doing that one. And, I’ve just always been, not that I’m a health freak in any way, shape, or form, but I certainly, you know, ai regime is try to eat as healthy as you can and do a bit of power walking a couple of times a week.
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That’s good.
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And that does the trick for me.
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Nothing wrong with that. No. Walking is one of the best forms of exercise. Yeah. If you can get it in every day, you’ll be much healthier than if you don’t.
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Absolutely. Vatsal not hard to do. No. It’s not. Listen to a
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book on tape. Go for a stroll.
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Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
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It’s great for the body. Yep. You don’t have to fucking kill yourself.
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No. Ai. I I I’ve also, in my time, dealt with a fair amount of, depression as well and anxiety. Sai I get pretty anxious, still even, you know, coming here today I was a bit Really? Yeah. Yeah. So I went for a nice little, power walk around the whatever the lake is down there. Ladybird?
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The
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one where the bats are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ladybird. Ai had no idea about that.
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Have you seen them come out?
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No. Oh, it’s cool. I ai no idea. I’ve never even heard of it.
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It’s really cool.
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The biggest bat population in the world. Is that true? That’s what they’re saying. I don’t
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know if that’s true. I think the biggest bat population in the world is in Africa.
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I would sai. Or or the Amazon. But
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Yeah. I think it’s a really large population though. And it’s cool to see. They come out. That’s what it looks like when they come out.
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Yeah. No. They they they claim there’s there’s signage down there.
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Oh, really?
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Oh, yeah. That says it’s the biggest bat population in the world.
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Maybe it’s a specific ai of bat. I don’t know.
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It’s sai is this a Where’s the big Is it sorry. It’s definitely warm. Is this at sunset that this happens?
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Yeah. Ai at nighttime. It’s really cool. It’s very fun to watch. And you hear them if you go onto the bryden, ai, if you walk on, you hear them.
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Yeah. I was there today. I don’t you know, I didn’t hear that.
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Yeah. You can hear me
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in there. Okay.
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They’re just chilling. It’s weird. But they’re responsible for keeping the mosquito population down.
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Is that one of them?
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Yeah. They do a great job. Those little suckers. Fantastic. They take care take care of the mosquitoes.
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Mosquitoes. Yeah. I don’t what purpose do they have, really?
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Spreading horrible diseases
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Yeah.
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And sucking blood.
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That and aubergines. Yeah. I don’t understand the aubergines either.
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Well, you know, they tried to develop a genetically modified mosquito that was gonna attack the other mosquitoes Yeah. You know, they but that horror movie type shit, you know, ai, I hear about that. I’m ai, okay. And what happens then? Like, whenever you start monkeying around
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Nature in that regard
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And sai nothing came of it then?
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I don’t know what’s been done with that. I don’t know. It’s ai these people are doing these things and it can affect all of us and you, you know, just read about it on the Internet. And if it wasn’t the Internet, you wouldn’t even know they were doing it. Ai like, are you sure this is gonna be okay in the long run?
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Ai, what what what’s the potential chances for mutations? Like, what would what happens if they carry a very unique disease that, you know, it’s Well, I’m
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Sai you know, the scary thing is we have no idea what half of these people are up to. No. We don’t. COVID being an example.
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Yeah. Perfect example. Did you see what happened in, Australia yesterday? There was a laboratory that lost track of oh, I I put it on Twitter. Lost track of, like, a bunch of different, like, really serious diseases.
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How does that happen?
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Someone left the door open? Yeah. I went once me and my friend Duncan, we went once to the, the lab in Galveston, Texas. They’ve, Center For Disease Control, I believe, is the organization has this enormous bio lab down in Galveston where they take care of, like, some of the most dangerous and deadly viruses in the world.
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So they have ai this incredible filtration system and everybody’s wearing space suits and they’re walk and we’re in there going, what are you guys doing? Hundreds of vials of deadly viruses have gone missing from a laboratory
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and
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ai warn they could be weaponized. So what are a 100 vials of henda virus, 2 vials of hantavirus, 223 vials of That’s crazy. Ai virus, all of which are extremely deadly for humans.
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And of of course, I love it when the media says, you know, something along the lines of the of the end of that statement that Could be weaponized. Could be weaponized. So that’s great. Now all the freaks are gonna go and try and find that stuff.
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Yeah. Well, it’s, you know, we’ve got into this mess in the first place because and this has now been confirmed that they were working on these viruses in this laboratory and it got released. And that these viruses had been created through gain of function research. So these goofballs are down there working on viruses, making them more infectious to humans.
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And you would say, well, why are they doing that? Well, surely, they’re doing that so they could study them and they can cure them. They make sure that we don’t get sick.
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Is that the logic?
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That’s the logic, but they didn’t have a cure for it. This virus is rabies? Oh, great. Lissavirus ai responsible for rabies, which is arguably the deadliest encephalotic virus known disease known. The prototype rabies, lice of lice of virus thought to be able to infect all terrestrial mammals. Yay.
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Yay. God.
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What a good thing to just have laying around. I mean, that’s like the opening of 28 Days Later. Right?
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Yeah. That Yeah. No. There’s a new one.
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Have you seen the the trailer for the new one?
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There’s a new one?
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The 28 years later.
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No. Come on.
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Yeah. Yeah. Cillian Murphy’s back.
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Let’s go. Yeah. I’m I’m in. Count me in.
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That’s the greatest oh, here it is. It’s the greatest zombie movie of all time for sure.
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Wait. Sit here. Angie, what’s going on? You’re being sick, Silke. Keep quiet and do not move from the spot. 7, 6, 11, 5, 9 and 20 ai today. 4, 11, 17, 32 the day before. Boost. Boost. Boost. Boost. Moving up and down again. There’s no discharge in the war. Don’t. Don’t. Don’t.
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So I’ll show them
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ai phone.
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Look at what’s in front of you.
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That’s what they sai. I mean, not with
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the lenses,
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but both moving up and down again. Meh men men men men go mad with watching them. There’s no discharge in the war. If your eyes drop, they will get on top of you. Moving up and down again. There’s no discard in the wall. I was
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gonna stop there.
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Okay. Jeez. I woke up relatively calm and peaceful this morning.
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A little bit of pre podcast anxiety. Ai.
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You know.
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And now you’re worried about the end of the world. Jeez. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you very much. Thank you. I didn’t know what to expect but now Ai
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I’m terrified of these eggheads messing around with all these things. I really am because it seems like what we know now is that there wasn’t a ton of oversight. They they shipped they they sort of went with the the so the NIH funds the EcoHealth Alliance, and the EcoHealth Alliance funds the Wuhan lab.
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The Wuhan lab which has had many safety violations including, like, I think a year before the the speak, and then it gets out, and then they all ai, and then they all trade emails back and forth where they’re talking about the lie. And they go in front of congress, and they lie.
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And now there’s they’re talking about giving Fauci a mass pardon or a preemptive pardon sai he doesn’t get charged
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when the Trump That’s crazy.
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It’s a
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whole thing is and then there’s another one today where the Biden administration is keeping the emergency classification of COVID to 2029 ai that they can avoid being attacked for the Emergency Use Authorization Act? It’s so creepy stuff because there’s there’s money. It’s all money. Right? There’s money involved in this.
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There’s the these people that are working on viruses, well, the way to get funding is you have to work on viruses. So whether or not they’re I don’t think they’re evil people, but I think these people, this is what they studied in college. This is what they went to university for and now they’re studying it. And what’s the best way to study? You gotta you actually have to have funding.
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You have to have a lab.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And you start doing it and so who do you do it for? Well, you do it for the defense department. You know, like, because they wanna work on weaponizing viruses and this is a real thing and this is one of
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That’s one of the scariest things
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Fucking terrifying. I did a television show once where we talked to this guy from Russia and, from former Soviet Union where he was talking about how they had literally, like, giant vats of anthrax. They had enough anthrax to literally kill, like, every fucking human being in America and that they were working on viruses and all these deadly diseases.
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To be honest with you, I’m quite surprised we’re still here. He was pretty shocked with what’s already happened and what the potentials are. It’s staggering.
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Well, if you think about all the things that we’ve gone through where we just barely missed a total disaster, the Cuban missile ai, and then there was the one time where there was an row. They thought that the United States had launched a missile at Russia, and they were very close to responding.
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It was
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just a glitch. Yeah. And one guy, just one clear headed person ai not to launch. Yeah. And this is in the sixties?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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This is all it’s so terrifying.
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Yeah. We’re we’re we’re so close all the ai, really. That’s why, one should just try and have a happy life wherever you can. That’s for sure.
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The problem with that is if you don’t speak up, the and if no one reacted to any of this, COVID ai stuff Yeah. No one reacted to the Orwellian censorship complex that was established to try to silence people who are critical of the narrative that they’re pushing Sure. We would all be fucked. Ai, you kinda have to pay attention now, unfortunately. I don’t want to.
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No. Agree. I wanna just have fun and live my life ai
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be with my family and my friends No.
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Of course. Join myself.
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We all do. But
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it’s, it’s good to be aware. No question about that. And
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But there’s that there’s also this part of me that goes, yeah, but this is what the this is what the universe provides you with. The universe provides you with this very unique balance of good and evil. And the the evil exists to appreciate the good
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and to
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motivate the good.
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No question. And there’s
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always going to be both. It just seems like there’s always going to until we reach some enlightenment till Jesus comes back to the aliens’ land.
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Ai, it’s that that thing called balance, isn’t it? Yeah. Trying to do the balancing act as best as you can.
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Yeah. What do you do? Like, what’s your balancing routine? Like, if you feel like you’re getting a little ai.
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I hate to say it, but it’s back to getting out into the fresh air and walking. Yeah. Ai meh, that really does or or even photography, you know, just being ai, my number one go to is I I’m a biker. I’ve been on motorcycles since I was ai in my early teens. So to blow the to to really blow the cobwebs out, it’s kind of getting on the bike and just riding somewhere I’ve never been before.
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Ai just look at a map and go, that looks interesting. And I just go.
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Ai That looks like sai fun if I was bulletproof and made out of metal.
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Have you
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You’re scared of ai.
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Really? Well, it’s the other people that’s saying.
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That’s exactly right.
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You know? Yeah. But you have ai, I believe you have to have a heightened awareness to be a biker instead. Oh, most certainly.
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Do you have a loud bike sai people could hear it at least?
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Yeah. I’ve had a few loud ones in in the Like a Harley? Ai I used to have Harley. I I at the moment, I ride a Triumph, a couple of Triumphs.
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Oh, nice.
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One that looks like an old school, but actually works. And then I thought I was never gonna be one of those guys that ever kind of rode one of those fifties, no. The sort of adventure ai, you know.
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With, like, the saddles of the box?
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Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. But relative half fairing, but but, I I when I go for a ride and these random rides, you know, I can be gone up in the mountains for with no signal for, 3 and a half, 4 hours, You know? And there there has been an occasion or several in in the past where without a signal, the ai has had problems.
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And, it gets pretty scarier when you’re in the wilderness. Mhmm. You’ve got no backup plan. Ai I had an oil leak with a with a with a brand new bike and, no signal. And I literally rolling down any hill I could just to survive, make it to whatever little village I could find in the middle of nowhere. Where were you?
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In in in France.
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Oh, wow.
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So I I tend to go up in the wilds back there. And, so I I I decided also my backside after 3 and a half hours on one of the older style bikes is pretty painful. Mhmm. So I just happened to look at one of the Triumph Adventure ai and What do they
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look like? Can you tell us what? Is that
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it? So that’s that’s what my old bike looks like. That’s that’s actually my old bike with my old friend riding it. And that’s the one where your ass kills after a couple of hours. But sai, yeah, those are the kind of views I get. Those are in the middle of nowhere.
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Are these your photographs?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are just quickies on on my phone. Just the places I find myself in in the middle of nowhere. I mean, stunning, stunning, stunning places. And they’re not far from from where I am on the coast.
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That’s beautiful.
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And they’re kind of on the border with Italy. So it’s pretty unique stuff.
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Where do
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you live? I I I officially live in Monaco.
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Oh, wow. Ai was just there. I was there last summer.
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Yeah. Oh, shit. Okay. Well It’s
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really beautiful.
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It’s it’s not a bad place to be. Weird spot. It’s a weird spot.
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What’s going on here? Why is everybody stacked up in apartments
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right here? It’s very transient. You know? Yeah. People come and go for whatever reason that they do. And, I mean, most people ai myself, you know, we have we have sai ai of summer house getaway, so you can go breathe on the weekends.
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Isn’t it kind of a tax shelter y place too?
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Oh, very much so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.
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A lot of real rich folks go there
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to Yeah. Oh, for sure.
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Hoard their cash.
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For sure. But there’s a few new places around the world that offer that kind of possibility.
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Oh, really? Like, where else?
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Well, Dubai’s offering certain incentives now. Portugal, certain incentives.
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Yeah. Dubai has like no income tax. Right?
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I’ve never been there personally.
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Is that the the fact? Is that a fact?
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I think it is. I’m not a 100% sure. But I
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have a friend who just moved to Dubai. He’s Meh and, he’s a filmmaker and he sai, I feel so safe.
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Yeah. That well, that’s one element of it.
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There’s no crime.
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As long as you’re not doing
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anything for the day. A Rolex on the ground, and ai will pick it up and turn it into the police.
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Yeah. I’m I’m sure
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UAE does not levy income tax on individual. However, it levies a ai percent value added tax on the purchase of goods, and so that’s pretty reasonable. Yeah. Levitate at each stage of the supply chain and ultimately born to the end consumer. Wow. Fairly reasonable.
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Yeah. Yeah. So although Ai I it’s never inspired me sai far. No. Anyway. Yeah.
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Well, there’s a lot
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of, like,
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wild restrictions over there.
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Oh, yeah. And Ai and I I like a bit of character with where I am. You know? Yeah. I I you know, one of the one of the pleasures I find is, number 1, I’m a tyler, so I get to ride around a lot. I’m not really a beach guy. After 20 minutes, I start twitching. I need to do something. It’s true. But I’m also a foodie as well. Mhmm.
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So, you know, Monica’s half an hour away from Italy. And there’s a there’s actually a big crossover, in the restaurants between French and Italian food. Oh, wow. And then you have places like the island of Corsica, which is French now. It’s been through the mill a few times. It was English at one point.
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It was Italian at one point. It’s, well, I think a few other nations too. But I I and I could see it from where I was. You can actually see the outline of Corsica from the south of France and from Monaco in certain locations. And I’d seen it for 25, 30 years, and had never been. And a couple of years ago, I decided with a friend to hop in.
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I’ve got a little mini convertible, and that’s my little runaround. And decided to get the ferry, which is about 6 hours across, and drive, you know, with no bookings, no nothing, and just see if there was a hotel available. And and drove around the whole island in 10 days. And it was the one of the most magical places I’ve ever ever been to.
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It’s like 10 countries on one island. The the the scenery is mind blowing. And the the south of it is very much like the Caribbean, crystal clear, turquoise, blues blue waters. But the food, again, is this combination of it, the best of Italian and the best of French. Wow. And just the freshest of the freshest of the fresh.
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And I’ve only been down there about 2 or 3 times because this was only a few years ago. And I couldn’t believe that it’s and here’s the other thing. Okay. The ferry is 6 hours, but you can get on what they call a vomit comet. It’s like a very short flight. You know?
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You could be there in the south of Kostka from from Nice airport in 45 minutes, and it’s a different world. It’s an entirely stunning, gorgeous, different world with, again, scenery unlike I’ve ever seen before. Oh, wow. And for for such a small island, which you can yeah.
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Meh. Is it here?
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Oh, wow. I I mean, it’s just insanely, insanely beautiful. And that’s Bonifacio. Yeah. They, you know, they’re renowned for being they can be a bit of a, you know, tough nuts.
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In what way?
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Yeah. If they don’t like you, if you piss them off, excuse my French, they’ll blow up your house. I mean, there was a report a couple of years ago that this guy’s house, the he was causing some trouble and they didn’t want him around. And they blew up blew up his house. They suddenly ran fire and blew it up. I’m serious.
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Well, I
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guess if you live in a small place like that, that’s really amazing. You’re probably very protective of someone coming along in ruins.
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They’re exactly like that. Sai mean, if you don’t
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I get that.
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If you don’t respect them
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Yeah. I get that.
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Yeah. No.
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I Whenever people say, like, if you go to France, they’re very rude. I get it. I’ve gone to France. I didn’t think they were rude, you know, but I get how there’s some Americans, like, hopping right off the cruise ship that are just fat and stupid.
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There’s just, you know, I think if you’re not prepared to be warm and friendly Right. On approach and and treat them with the the speak that they deserve in their own country.
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Treat ai you’re a visitor.
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Yeah. Yeah. You’re a people to be there. Order them around. Yes. Don’t tell them what to do. And and, you know, even though, you know, they think it’s quite funny that you try and speak their language. I meh, you know, I I I can understand French pretty well and Italian and a few other things, but, you know, God help me if I try and speak it because they’ll just they don’t laugh at you, but they’ll speak back to you in English.
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You know? Right.
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It’s, That’s the wonderful thing about English, is that
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But at least make the effort is what I’m saying. Sure. You know?
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Show them that you’re trying.
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Show them that you’re trying. Yeah. Yeah. And they Same mercy. That kind of gut. Yeah.
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Say that.
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Just thank you alone, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But don’t just order them around, which I’ve seen many people do. And it’s it’s a bit shocking. Yeah. Exactly. You gotta be able
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to say a few things. Yeah. Just let them know that you’re you’re trying. Yeah.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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25:52
I go to Sai would try to go to Italy every year. We me and my family, we we go there every year and I love it. It’s just sai
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Where do you where do you where do you head?
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26:03
My favorite place is Ravello.
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26:05
Where is that? I don’t
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Ravello is on the Amalfi Coast.
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Okay. Okay.
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It’s just so so beautiful. But, I’ve liked Rome too. It’s a little touristy. The problem with Rome is it’s overcrowded, and there’s a lot of touristy shit going on.
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Ram is not my favorite. Ai reason why it’s so appealing to me is because my actually, my first stepfather was Italian, Roberto Bassanini. That’s That’s pretty Italian. Oh, he was very Italian. And he was the black sheep of the family. He was the naughty boy. And, he was more like, an older brother to me, married to mom after dad after John.
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And, his family were involved in ai of hotels and restaurants ram also London in the heyday of Italian restaurants. It was ai the seventies. And, and so they had a few small hotels in different areas. And, so whenever I wasn’t at school in London at that, you know, or England at that time, we’d take these little trips to, you know, Cortina or, above Milan, there’s a little town called Foppolo that I used to go, unknown by most tourists, locals to go skiing in in the winter or, Pesaro, which was on the East Coast on, for for summer holidays.
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So Ai, you know, I I spent a lot of time there growing up from the age of 5, 6, 7. She was only with him for about 3 or 4 years, but, we stayed in touch. You know? I used to go and visit him all the time because he he was he was a laugh. You know?
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Of course, his, sadly, his lifestyle killed him with a couple of heart attacks at the end of everything.
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That’s really how it goes when you’re having a good time.
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Yeah. He was having too much of a good time, I’m afraid. But I miss him dearly. He certainly was, you know, one of those characters that you just you know, you admired.
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When I go to Italy, it feels like almost immediately you have, like, a decrease in blood pressure. Yes. Ai, almost immediately.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s ai the vibe of the people and the way they live
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is just relax. They can be a bit stressed ai, though, with the shouting at each other and ai, you know.
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28:28
Yeah. But even then, it doesn’t seem like shouting, like Meh shouting leads to violence.
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28:33
Yes. This is true.
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28:33
I hear Meh shouting. I’m like, let’s get the fuck
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28:36
out of here. Yeah. Yeah.
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28:37
That’s ai goody turkey. I hear Italian shouting, like, what happened? Did someone in the kitchen fuck up? Like, what
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28:42
what went wrong? Yeah. I mean, I I don’t wanna sound pompous, but it does sound pompous that, you know, I if I have friends come over from the States or London and, you know, I’ll say, do you fancy, you know, getting some Italian tonight? And, we’ll get in the arya, and we’ll be on the freeway or the motorway over there. And they get they’re told meh, where the f are we going?
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You know, I’m going, go for Italian. And there’s a little town about an hour away from Sana. Ai tiny little medieval town called, well, I won’t give it away. Actually, I can’t give it away. Where I’ll just go and get the best spaghetti vongole on the planet made by a grandmother who’s in a who’s in a kitchen, you know, 10 by 10 at the best of times, you know, with all and and it’s it’s down on the water.
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And it’s just, you know, it’s Italy for meh, if you’re not in the mountains, if you’re by the speak, at its best. Mhmm. And, you know, they all get dressed up at sunset. You know, they all love to walk the promenade and, you know, in their finest attire and, you know, sit there and watch the world go by and drink their coffee and chat.
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And I, you know, I because I lived in LA for, I think it was about 8 years, and I went back. Ai the story of me going back actually was that I was I flew back to London to see a premiere of a film called Backbeat. It’s about the early Beatles. I didn’t know anything about it, but I had an invite sai I went to see it.
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And, I met this guy who said, who’s a line producer, film producer. And he said, you know, do you, have you been to Monaco before? I said, no. I’ve never even thought about it, really. And he said, he sai, do you like Grand Prix? I said, not really a Ai Prix kind of guy.
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He said, well, listen. If you got nothing to do this weekend after, you know, we saw the film and the premiere, Yeah. Why don’t you come down? I’ve got an apartment. I’ve got an extra room. I know the town inside out. You know? And I was thinking, oh, what am I gonna do?
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Go back to LA and be numb again? And so I literally went down to Monaco that the next day. And he he just showed me around. And we went to this very famous restaurant and famous corner called the Rascasse corner on the Grand Prix circuit. And it’s literally where you’re having a prawn cocktail and there’s a car coming at you at about a 180 miles an hour with just a chicken wire fence in front of your face You’re going
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31:29
How far away?
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Shah. I mean, directly in front of you. I mean, the the car could be
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31:35
So this is it right here?
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Yeah. That’s not the Rascasse corner. That’s the Loews corner. Rascasse corner is very, very famous little spot. There it is. Yeah. That’s it. So you’d be behind the chicken wire fence. This is a kind of modern version of it. But that’s even more protection than it used to have.
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And you’d have a bit of lunch there, and they would and that became that was the hot spot in Monaco for years years. There were 3 brothers that owned it. Real troublemakers. And it it it was a blast. But so you had the car. So I went, alright. I’m into this.
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And so I spent the summer down there. And I used to have a little bungalow on Mulholland in Coldwater, and I had a caretaker there because I had a dog at the time. And I just said, ai, Tim. Speak it up. Sell the house. I’m not coming back. And I didn’t I didn’t go back. Did you take your dog?
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32:43
The dog actually died before I I yeah. Yeah. Ai. It was, getting on. But but meh. It’s a bucket?
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32:52
Moving to market?
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Yeah. That that was it. Yeah. I just I just put everything in storage. I rented this kind of what could be seen as a Miami Vice kind of apartment.
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How so?
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On the 30th floor. It just had marble and, a mirrored wall, with no furniture. And so I bought a couch off of the floor of a store called Habitat because it would take, like, 6 weeks to order, and I had nothing. And so I had I bought, like, a couch. I bought, a TV, even though there was no English TV back then. This is 30 years ago.
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And I just had a trunk to put the TV on. Occasionally, you get American movies and a mattress on the floor, and I lived like that for 10 years. Wow. And just was really stupid.
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Did you enjoy it?
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It was just stupid.
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Did you enjoy it?
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33:53
I had I had 2. I’ve I’ve had 2. Well, I’ve had 3 major well, no. 4. It’s like the Spanish Inquisition. Four major incidents. Now, I I mean, London back in the day used to be a great place to to party and enjoy. And then I moved to New York, for a few years, early in my career in my early twenties and but I almost I think I almost died there with the partying that went on and the clubs back in that that that that hey the heyday then.
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And it was celebrity sana vatsal, you know, with the likes of the ai with Alice Cooper and a few other fruitcakes. And then and then I I really did feel like I was, you know, I could’ve I could’ve Gone off rails. Yeah. Yeah. Easily. I was borderline.
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I enjoyed it too much. And then I went out to LA, and a friend of mine, had a convertible. And we just drove across Mulholland, down to Saloni. And I went, fuck. This is gorgeous. What the hell am I doing? But so I moved to LA. I packed up and moved.
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And that’s I did exactly the same thing. I found a place to to live, and I just, you know, was there until I could get myself situated.
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35:15
I think I met you in LA. Are you ai? In 1993.
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That’s a good possibility. That would have been middle mid to end of my term out there.
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35:24
I was, doing something for Meh, and you were one of the first celebrities that I met. You, I met Rico Suave and a couple other people.
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35:34
Front door. Yes. Yeah. Because yeah. I was yeah. Early in on the Meh stuff. The the label I was with was pushing whatever, you know, throw me on whatever was available.
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35:48
I was with this woman who was, an executive at MTV, and she was taking me around and showing me LA. You know, Ai never been to LA before. And, well, I’d been once for ram martial arts competition when I was young. Here was and she took me at this ai, and, you were at the front door about to get in. And I was like, holy shit.
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36:11
Which one it was?
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36:13
No. I don’t. I remember very little about it.
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36:15
Was I with some fruitcakes? I’m sure
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I was. I don’t remember. I just remember, like, oh, that’s a famous ai. John Lennon’s son. Crazy. Because, you know, I was coming from New York.
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Of course.
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25, 26 years old. I didn’t know anything. And I was, like, this is so strange. It was just strange to me to be in these, like, Hollywood parties with this MTV executive who’s taking me around showing me all this stuff.
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36:37
Oh, yeah.
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36:37
She just kinda, like, introduced you like, this is what it’s like. Yeah. This is what everybody does. They go out. They go out to the clubs and
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it was just Yeah. Yeah. The scary the scary thing about LA was that you thought it was all over by 2 o’clock, you know, because they literally pull your drinks at 1:30. Mhmm. But then they go to someone’s house. Right. And they continue till dawn. You know? Yeah. So that was dangerous too.
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37:01
Yeah. So I
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was happy that I got away from that.
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37:05
Unfortunately, I avoided all that.
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Yeah. You’re lucky. Yeah. I mean, there was there was some fun to be had. No no question about it.
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But I’m sure.
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A lot of it was kinda dark too.
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Yes. I’m sure. Well, that’s when you when you start adding cocaine to human beings, you get darkness.
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Oh, yeah.
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And a
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lot of Jack Daniels too. I know.
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37:25
They go hand in hand. Yes. Yeah. I avoided all that luckily when I moved to LA. I I’m one of those people that’s ai, I You were out there ai? I guess 30 well, no. Not quite 30 years. 26 years ai I’ve been here for 4.
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Stretch. Okay. Yeah.
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Most
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yeah. The most of my life. The most I’ve ever lived anywhere, I lived there. But, I only went to parties, like, a handful, very small handful of times. It was all like I was dragged to
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37:55
them. Yeah.
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You know, like, the last one I was dragged to was Naomi Campbell’s birthday party, which sai I’m
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38:01
sure that was,
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38:02
It was insane. Yeah. It was with Dave Chappelle. So Dave and I were at the Comedy Store and, you know, Dave knows everybody. Yes.
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Ai. Yeah.
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Hey, ram. There’s a party up in the hills. You wanna go? And I was like, I don’t wanna go to any fucking parties.
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38:15
Yeah.
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38:15
He’s like, come on, man. I wanna go alone. So I said, okay. So me and Dave, we drove all the way up. It was like a scene in a movie. Yeah. Because, like, here’s me and my super famous friend and we’re my Porsche and we’re my race arya, I have a GT 3. Ai we’re driving up in the hills and then we have to stop at this place and then you have to get on a shuttle and then Yeah.
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38:37
You get to the house and then you get on an elevator, an outside elevator that takes you from the main house to the party house.
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Right.
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So they
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vatsal party house on the top of this hill. So we’re up in this elevator with Demi Moore, which is weird as it is.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I’m ai, hi.
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38:54
You know, it’s fucking weird. Ai famous lady. Yeah. And then we get to the top of this hill and it’s just everybody famous. It’s Lenny Kravitz and all these different people and so Naomi Campbell, there’s a photograph of her on the the side of the hill that’s literally 50 feet tall.
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39:10
It’s an enormous naked photograph of her.
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Of course. You know,
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because it’s her birthday.
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Well, of course.
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She’s unbelievably beautiful still as old as she is. I don’t know how old she is, but she looks sensational. So we get to the top of this place. We’re hanging out. It’s very weird. It’s very weird. And then Dave pulls me ai. He goes, man, I wouldn’t wanna be this famous. I go, hey, man.
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39:29
You’re the most famous motherfucker here. He goes, really?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Because we’re a little high. He goes, really? I go, a 100%. You’re the most famous person
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in the show. This is
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we’re just laughing. Like, this is so crazy. And then we got out of there and went right back to the comedy store. We’re like, oh, I can’t do this. Yeah. Yeah. It’s just too strange.
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39:47
The the scenes are pretty weird out there. That’s for sure.
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Well, it’s also these celebrities, you know, they can’t hang out with regular people, I think. They feel too weird. So I think they try to get together. Yeah. And so we were in, like
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40:00
Ai absolutely you’re spot on. A vampire dance
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of famous people.
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You are absolutely spot on.
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40:05
They call it ai he said it was like an eyes wide shut party. I’m like, that’s what it feels like. Oh, wow. Yeah. Feels like you’re in a secret for turkey.
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No. So that’s yeah. There’s a few that I’ve left that I felt very uncomfortable being at.
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Like what?
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Sai I mean, I can’t couldn’t tell you exactly where and when, but certainly, some weird ones up in the hills. So I just went, no. This Yeah. Just doesn’t feel good.
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There’s something about the act of going up into the hills, like you’re going to the lair, the dragon’s lair.
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40:33
Well, the the one of the things was the fact that, well, I meh, now you’ve got Ubers all over the place. But, yeah, back in my day, there was no taxis around either. So you’d get trapped. Oh. And then you’d figure, well, I’m here anyway. You know?
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40:53
Yeah. You can’t get it.
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Might as well have another drink. And that’s what would happen more often than not. But, yeah. So it’s it’s, yeah, kind of better not
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to.
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Definitely better not to, but maybe go a couple ai.
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Yeah. So you don’t have to go. Go and check it out.
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Yeah. Don’t want to do that. And see what that’s all about. Yeah. Yeah. Many people have lost
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their time. Oh, yeah.
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They’ve lost their time to those places.
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It’s very messy.
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It becomes a part of your life and your lifestyle. It’s deeply unhealthy, both it’s physically unhealthy, but it’s also, like, spiritually unhealthy. Yeah. It’s a weird way to spend your time.
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Been there, done that. Thank you very much.
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41:34
You looked fine. You got through it.
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No. I did. I did get through it.
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41:38
But don’t you think it’s good to just know though?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. Not the way to do it. No.
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Ai sai. I I think if you don’t know, you know, you you can’t you can’t talk about it. You can’t you can’t understand
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Right.
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That weird journey that you go through. Yeah. I think you have to do certain things sometimes just to realize what it’s all about.
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42:00
Well, LA is so
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It’s that balancing. It’s the light and the dark, you know.
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42:03
LA is so particularly odd too because everyone’s chasing this very specific goal of notoriety. Like, it’s success, but success is it’s quantified by notoriety. Like, the more famous you are, the more popular, the bigger your song is. Even now,
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you know, all you’ve gotta have is a bloody iPhone or whatever.
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TikTok.
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Yeah. And an account and that’s it. I mean Very strange. Yeah. Really, really odd. And I I I can’t quite get to grips with all of that, to be honest with you.
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I don’t think anybody can. And I think it it’s essentially being captured by a form of technology that has leveraged our desire for this attention, our desire for this notoriety.
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42:52
And But it’s also being known for nothing. Right. Yeah. That’s the scary thing. Yes. And and having this element of of what seems to be the latest generation of this privilege. Right. You know? Right. Where they believe that, you know, everything is owed to them. Right. Entitled. Entitled. Yeah.
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And I find that shocking,
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you know. Well, that comes along with the quest. Right? If the quest is just ai. Like, if you’re an artist and you happen to get famous because everybody loves your music or loves your photography or loves your your books or whatever it is, that’s a different sort of relationship because people love you for what you’ve made, what you’ve produced.
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Yeah. There’s a purpose
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to it. Yeah. And I love people like that because I’m fascinated by people that are able to create things that resonate with everybody or resonate with an enormous amount of people. It’s it’s fascinating to be around them and to, like, to kinda just, you know I know a lot of famous people now and I know some of them are just fantastic people.
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43:53
It is really interesting people that
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have You have very interesting people on your shah. That’s for sure. I meh, that’s what intrigued me, you know, from, you know, Professor Brian Cox, you know, who I’m an absolute fan of. I had He’s amazing. Meh him on.
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Such a nice guy too.
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Lovely ai. Mind blowing.
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Mind blowing.
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Too much information for for for my good.
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It’s so funny. I was talking about him with a friend of mine the other day, and my friend, wasn’t aware of him. And I I had just done a podcast with him. And so I I Yeah. And Ai gone to the club from the podcast. I’m like, oh meh god. I had the greatest podcast. This guy blew my mind. Yeah. I’ve had him on several ai, and he’s always amazing. And ai band or something? I go, yeah.
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He wasn’t a band. That’s right. He’s like, no way. Yeah. Yeah. He’s in a successful band. Yeah. He’s an actual brilliant scientist who is in a successful band.
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Yeah. Yeah. Mind boggling. Mind Ai meh, I doesn’t compromise. Because he
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looks like a rock star.
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He does. He does. He’s yeah. He’s not changed his look since the beginning.
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And he’s such a great science communicator.
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Well, that’s the thing. See, I love sai, but I get lost in it sometimes. But he is probably probably the closest I’ll ever get to really trying to have an insight into what it’s all about, you know, as best sai he can describe it.
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He’s really good at explaining to people that don’t have the proper understanding Which
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I do.
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Of all the all the terminology and all the ways they discover it. He can lay it out for the layperson.
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Yeah. Which which is why he’s so fascinating, which is why everybody should know him.
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Yeah. His show is wonderful too. Have you ever seen a show? They do a live performance
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No. I have not.
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Enormous screens and they show you ai history of the universe and stellar nurseries and all this wild stuff. Yeah. It’s really incredible stuff.
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No. Fantastic. Yeah. Fantastic stuff.
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Yeah. I’ve I’ve been very fortunate in that way that I’ve had a chance to talk to so many extraordinary people. And it’s great, but it makes talking to boring people almost painful. Like like ai you’re just holding your breath.
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I I don’t know which category I’m in. So You’re
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not in the boring kind. No.
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No. Well, I can be. I think we all can be, I guess, at some stage. But
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Well, just the fact that you’re willing to do what you’ve done is to take these trips and just move to a place. I think that’s great. I think people need more of that in their life. I think you could see the world from your neighborhood and from where you live and get a really distorted sense of this experience, this very unique experience of these bizarre thinking creatures interacting with each other on this isolated planet that’s hurling through the universe.
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Yeah. And you could think that you kinda understand the experience until you go to other places.
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Well, I see I see you’re a big fan of, Bourdain as well. Yeah. And I loved his shah. So I still watch them all the time because
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it’s just
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what he discovered and how he entrenched himself with the people that, you know, he went to meet and the and, the conversations and the food and just, that’s my cup of tea right there. You know, I think how can you not want to do tyler, learn, and love that experience, you know?
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Well, he had such a, like, infectious passion for different cultures
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and
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their food and the art of food. And, like, he was the first guy that made me consider that cooking is actually an art form. Like, I kind of knew it, but I didn’t think of it. I kind of just said, oh, delicious food. Awesome. Well, this ai a really great chef. Right. Awesome.
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Yeah. And then I watched his first show, No Reservations, like, oh, okay. Duh. It’s art. It’s art that you eat. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Oh, that’s why they’re all weird and they have tattoos and fucking weird earrings. Yeah. Okay. They’re artists. Okay. That makes so much sense.
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And I was like, oh, you ignorant fuck. You, like, you had never put it in that category for I just, like, sai, no. That’s just food. But, no, there’s there’s an art to food.
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It’s another level.
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Yeah. Like that place you were talking about, linguine with clams, linguine vongole, which is my favorite dish of all time.
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Spaghetti vongole. Oh,
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when it’s done, right?
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I promise that if you ever come back to Monty, as we call it, I’ll drive you.
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Oh, I’ll go. We’ll we’ll
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go for spaghetti vongole and hope the dear grandmother is still alive.
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It also makes me angry because when I eat pasta and pizza over in Italy, I don’t feel like shit. And then I come to America and I eat the same supposed things. And
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I feel I can eat a frigging salad here and put on weight. I don’t know what’s going on. I’m serious, though.
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Yeah. It’s seed oils. Absolutely. Seed oils in the salad dressing and sugar and Yep.
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All of that. All of that. Ai yeah. I I agree. I live, it’s a much healthier lifestyle over there without question.
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Oh, yeah. The food hasn’t been violated.
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Yeah. Yeah. Meh. That’s true.
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It’s generally organic. You can
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eat pizza every day and pasta every day. Yeah. Just and also that Ai think the other real big thing here is the portion control as well.
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Yeah. We’re gluttons.
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I mean, you could you can have one plate full of food here and it’ll serve 4 people in Europe. Yeah. Literally.
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Oh, yeah. That’s a fact. I think, you know, I was poor when I was young and I think because of that, I’m even more of a glutton Yeah. Because I just want more food. Right. I want all the food.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And then I work out a lot, so I’m always hungry. Yeah. So then Ai I I have a real
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That’s a different thing, though.
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But, yeah, I mean, the only thing that keeps me from being fat is my exercise routine and discipline. Yeah. If I was just giving into my whims, I’d be £500.
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Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
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I just love food. Yeah. It’s it’s, you know, it’s especially Food is fine.
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Culture. No.
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Of course. You know? If you go to somewhere, like, you can go to Thailand and eat authentic Thai food in Tyler, it’s like, oh, man.
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Oh, yeah. There’s something special ai it. It’s great when you got friends who have that same appreciation that, you know, while you’re eating lunch, you’re talking about dinner.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s, that’s how excited you are about food.
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And it’s also it just bryden aligns your priorities. Ai, what what really are you trying to get out of life? You’re trying to get out of life memorable experiences with people you care about. Those are ai the best moments in life.
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No question. No question about it. Yeah. Yeah. Sai long for that.
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You
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know? Because also Ai I go in these very long working, time periods, and I don’t get to see a lot of friends quite often. You know? Mhmm. And so I I I really try and work out and look at the my schedule these days ago. I’m taking some time out here for a couple of days. I I want to see my friends. I sana to say hello. I want to share some time and stories and food with them. Mhmm. You know?
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So it’s become a key thing to have that included in running around like a headless chicken all the time, you know?
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Is that what inspired your photography? Because this book is really excellent. Your photography is great.
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Thank you. I you know, it was a dear friend, Timothy White, who’s a celebrity photographer. And, he’d done my saloni and third album. And we were doing a charity single called Lucy, which was about Lucy Bryden, who was the Lucy in the ai with diamonds that I grew up with, who died from lupus.
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And then I became the lupus, ram ambassador for the Lupus Foundation of America. We were doing a single to raise money called Lucy, and we were doing with another great artist called James Scott Cook. And we were doing a photoshoot and he’d sent me some pictures and I started screwing around with his pictures.
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And he said to meh, and you don’t, you actually don’t do that with another photographer’s work. You know, he said, what what the fuck are you doing with my pictures? I sai, he said, where did you learn how to do this? I said, well, I I didn’t. I just, you know, I I’m intuitively inspired to to play around with stuff, you know. It’s I’m still a big kid.
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So and he said, well, do you have any other do you have other photo do you actually have photos yourself that you’ve taken and worked on? I said, well, I’ve got bits and bobs, but nothing. So he he and I sat down and looked through all the photos I had. And meh and, I think there was maybe a1000 at that time, which isn’t much at all. I’m now over a 120,000 photos. It’s mind boggling.
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That’s why this was difficult. But, yeah. So he he said, Jules, why don’t you do something with this stuff? And I said, what? What? What am I gonna do?
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And he said, listen, you should do an exhibition. You’ve got some really beautiful things here. And I sai, I said, listen, I’ll do it I’ll do it if if if if you mentor me through the whole process, which he did. And and I I was probably more petrified at the first exhibition that I did, which was in New York at the old, CBGBs, which turned into the Morrison Hotel Gallery.
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And, that was in 2010, I think. And, I I was more petrified the 3 days leading up to that than I was ever going on stage. Well, probably ai first ever stage performance, which I did in Dallas at vatsal rehearsal space that was down here for the first ever tour. Ai I again, the ai, you know, it’s the unknown.
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I don’t know what, you know, the worry of what people are gonna think because, you know, not just being you, but John Lennonson. You know, being the saloni John, so to speak, was always an issue for me. You know, feeling like you have to doubly prove yourself. Mhmm. So and and literally an hour or 2 before the opening as well, there was the most horrendous storm and downpour in New York. And I thought, well, that’s it.
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Nope. Nobody’s coming. But my to my utter delight, I had reviews from fine art photography magazines, etcetera, etcetera, that gave me nothing but praise. And I was shocked. Wow.
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Absolutely shocked. Sai I just I just continued, doing that. I’m now over, I think, 42 exhibitions ai, and I just finished my biggest one in Venice at a museum over the last 3 months. And the book, in fact, it I had approached other publications before, but been pretty much turned down by everybody.
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And then out of the blue, the earlier this year, this company out of Berlin called Tanois, said, listen. Do you sana do a photography book? And I said, hell, yeah. And they said, why haven’t you done one before? I said, because nobody gave me the upper ai tunity. Excuse my French.
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55:25
Do you think that’s because you’re John Lennon’s son? Like, there’s a burden that is very unique to you.
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I listen, I Ai certainly recognize that there’s walls up without question.
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What what is that like? Like, what are the walls? Like, do do you think it’s just they dismiss you?
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Ai because something’s going on. I mean, I’ve discussed this with Rebecca who you met ai manager and a few other people. You know, there’s there’s occasions where I’ll I’ll be totally blanked. Like with the last album I came out with, Jude, which took, you know, in between ai 30 years to write and record.
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It was old songs and new songs that I wanted to balance the sound. And it was it was at a time when, I’d gone through a lot of changes ai, and Ai I had decided to finally call meh be Julian. I’d been John Charles Julian Lennon all my life, but everybody had always known me as Julian. Even meh mum and dad called me Julian.
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So I’m like, you know what? I wanna be I wanna be me finally. So by deed poll in 2020, I said, right. I’m gonna be Julian now. And the album’s gonna be called Jude. And the the reason I called it Jude was it was finally, not only an acceptance, but, but actually, what’s the terminology?
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It’s Ai I’m actually taking ownership, should I say, of the name Jude
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Mhmm.
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And and what that represented for all these years to other people and to me. Right. So anyway, so I I, you know, that was the album was a biggie for meh. Calling the album, Jude for starters, inciting Right. Hopefully positive things. But the weird thing was, you know, I did I put this whole band together, and I I I wanted to, as an as a starter, to go on all the the the TV shows that Idol was whatever wanted to appear on.
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For instance, in England, like, Jools Holland. Late tyler with Jools Holland, which is the only live music show that I’ve watched all my life, literally. There’s Graham Norton, which and I’ve and I’ve done their radio shows, which is really, really weird. And we got on like a house on fire, and I performed live.
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And that all went down well, and then it was ai of like sai you on The Real Show. The producers turned me down. And, you know, and and same with a lot of the late night American shows. Got got just didn’t they weren’t interested.
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Mhmm.
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And I, you know, I had I had, you know, I’d done the name change. I’d been away for 10 years. I’d I’d called the album Jude. You know, there was there was a lot to talk about, You know? Yeah. And a great deal more than I’m presenting right now that, anyway, Ai I was I was turned down and still and that still happens to me, which which, saddens meh.
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Because just when you feel like you sana open up, you know, and answer any question you can throw at me, I I, you know, I’ve I’ve not been allowed to not it’s that’s what it’s felt ai, that I’ve not been allowed to speak my peace, whatever that is, you know?
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Well
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On on whatever subject matter.
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It’s weird. It’s ai, the the gatekeeper aspect of it is weird, but it’s also weird, like, why not? Like, what what would be the hesitance?
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I don’t understand.
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It’s just the idea of the son of a great man, you know? And there’s this weird we have a dismissal and I’m very guilty of
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it myself.
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The son of a great meh. I always assume, like, that guy is fucked.
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Yeah. Yeah. He’s fucked.
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It’s
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like the burden is too high. Yeah. Yeah. Your dad was John Lennon. Yeah.
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Yeah. Ai he’s an iconic. Well, and you and Ai think with a lot of people, they don’t want anybody to interfere with that. Mhmm. You know? Ai mean, how dare the, you know, the sana come along and even try and be better in any way, shape, or ai, or be as good as, or whatever.
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Or whatever. Yeah. You’re immediately dismissed.
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Which is ai which is why, you know, to a certain degree, photography really appealed to me. Number 1, because Ai and the reality is I prefer it behind the camera. You know? I don’t mind being a goofball once in a while doing in front of the camera things, but Ai not really comfortable there.
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But behind the camera, and and, you know, traveling is what I’ve I have a foundation called the White Feather Foundation. And, you know, we we ai to help people all over the world, and it started, I know that you have interest in indigenous cultures. Sure. And, I don’t know if you know the backstory to this, to the White Feather Foundation at all.
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I don’t.
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01:00:48
Okay. So here we go. Okay. Ai was on tour with probably my most, at least ai of America, most well known song. It was a number 1 and top 10 in countries all over the world except for America. And it was called Saltwater. And Saltwater is about environmental and humanitarian issues.
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And I was number 1 in Australia. I was doing all kinds of shows. I was doing promo and and tour as well. And I found myself in, Adelaide, and I got this call from the hotel management saying, excuse me, mister Linham, but there’s, an Aboriginal tribe down here with TV crews who wanna say hi.
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01:01:37
And I thought it was like an on the road prank. I said, meh, sure. Sure. Why would they be coming to see me? You know?
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And they called back and they said, no. No. No. No. This is serious. Sai can you come down, please? And so Ai I think TV cruise, Aboriginal ai.
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01:01:56
What’s this about? And so I kind of dolled get dolled up a little bit because I don’t know what the TV shows are or cameras are. Yeah. Ai I go down. And in in the lobby, there’s a little platform and about 30 people. Half of them indigenous, TV crews, bunch of other stuff.
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01:02:18
And I I honestly have no idea what it’s about. And this, this woman, who was the elder of this particular tribe called the Moaning people, walked up to me, and presented me with a male swan’s white feather, which is about yay big, and said, you know, can you help us? You have you have a voice. Can you help us? And I just kind of went, well, you know, do I just continue being the rock and tyler?
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Or do I step up to the plate? Whatever that means. And so
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01:02:57
Ai What specifically did they want help with?
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Well, I’ll I’ll I’ll tell you. Initially, you know, I didn’t know what their problems were. I imagined that it would be the same as most other indigenous tribes around the world that have had issues, you know. And they said they said, you know, can you help us? And I said, I’ll, you know, I’ll do it for the children.
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01:03:20
So I I I guess what I was saying is the next generation, I can, you know, try and anyway. So I Sai that this woman was called Irish. She was the elder. She’s since passed in the last year or so. But I I spent 10 years making a documentary with my best friend, Kim Kin Kindersley, who who who initiated this whole thing.
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We made a documentary called Whale Dreamers, independent. We had no money really behind it. No sponsorship. We won about 8 international independent film awards, which was great. And but the backstory to this is that, is that dad had said to me, and I couldn’t tell you when or where, Just was one of those times that we were together.
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He just said that, you know, if something ever happens to me, that I’ll let you know that that to to let you know that I’m okay or that we’re all sana to be okay will be in the form of a white feather. Woah. So when Ai when that woman presented me with a white furger feather, sorry. You know, the goose the goosebumps came on heavy.
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01:04:47
I get them now every time I talk about the story.
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01:04:49
I’m getting them right now.
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01:04:51
Sai, yeah, there she is. There’s Iris and there’s Bonner who’s, one of the other guys. That is so crazy. I still have that. That’s I still have that in the original envelope that she gave it to me and it’s, you know, it’s in a in a very special place at home. I mean,
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01:05:09
you can talk all about coincidences.
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01:05:12
Oh, no. Listen. That that for me, I’m sorry, that was ai, regardless of where my faith or spirituality or religion was. To me, that was, this is real. This is as real as it gets.
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01:05:28
It’s funny because people would people love to dismiss these things. Like, oh, it’s a hogwash. Oh, it’s just coincidence. Oh, sai it could have been a ai of different things and but the reality is mathematically, like, what are the odds? Just what are the odds that you would be contacted by an indigenous tribe and they would bring you the very thing that your father said he would provide you as proof?
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01:05:54
Yeah.
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01:05:54
And I was in Australia a bit number 1 at the time with Salt Water, the the most environmental humanitarian song I’ve ever read and performed. You know? Right. Yeah. So so I said, yeah. I’ll do what I can. So we did make the film. And then with the advent of, of course, the Internet, I, I thought, okay.
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01:06:19
Let’s we will put a website together to to sell the film. Make some, you know. And and, and I’d also said to my business manager, I said, if we make anything on this, I sai, I want everything to go back to the the the moaning people. And and he said the only way that that can happen is if you have a foundation. So initially, the foundation was just a vehicle just to pass money along.
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01:06:50
But I started the White Feather Foundation to have, again, a vehicle to sell the, the film. And then saloni but surely, I would start getting these emails from people over the years, you know, over time. Sorry. Saying well, you know, can you help us? And I’m going, well, I’m not really a foundation. I’m just I did this project and I thought that was it.
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01:07:16
Anyway, there are a few other there was lots of emails and I finally sai, well, you know, ai. This is a platform. Let me see if I can okay. What am I interested in? What can I do? What Ai, you know, there’s plenty of other charities out there. There’s plenty of other people doing other things.
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01:07:35
But what can I do? What’s most important to me? Indigenous tribes were the first, so the Moaning people and then in fact, in the film vatsal, in Whale Dreamers, the Kim, the my director, friend and director, had already done, a segment of a film where he grouped 80 of the elders of the world world’s, indigenous ai.
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01:08:04
Eighty from around the world around a fire and just film them to to talk about their plight and what they had in common. And the fact that their cultures and land were being taken away from them, being destroyed, etcetera, etcetera. So that were that became one of the first orders of the day. Protect the mining. Protect indigenous tribes around the world.
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01:08:31
Try to buy back their lands and protect their cultures and their people and try and support them in whatever way we can, which is what we continue to do. And I was in Kenya going to, different schools and health clinics, mostly girls’ schools. I set up sai scholarship in my mom’s name, the Cynthia Lennon scholarship for girls.
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01:09:02
And so we send them to college and universities where they go
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01:09:05
Oh, that’s great.
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01:09:06
To learn how to protect their their people and their their families and cultures. And so we support, you know, we build health clinics and dormitories, and we do it because, I mean, the stories that I heard from these girls about having to walk to and from schools that took 3 to 6 hours, and, they’d be exhausted by the time they got to to home or to school, and that they in order to, you know, get ahead, they had to pass, you know, certain ram, but they had the threat pretty much every day of being either raped or murdered.
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01:09:46
And they would literally stay in their own schools, sleep in in the classrooms, and convert them to dormitories at night so that they felt protected. I mean, it was and when they went home, they were doing, you know, 3 hours of chores every night before they could do any homework and then go to sleep and then walk to school again.
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01:10:06
So you’d hear these incredible stories that you just you just realize how lucky you are. And so we we ai to help, again, the indigenous. We do help with, health and education as far as, young kids, young girls across Africa, Kenya and Ethiopia, and also, my last trip was, to Colombia, to South America to visit the the Koji ai, who were these insane, people that chewed the cocoa leaves.
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01:10:45
Oh. But they used to be fishermen years ago before the Spanish arrived in the 1600 and chased them off into the Sierra Nevada mountains.
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01:10:53
Is it cocoa leaves or cat?
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01:10:55
Yeah. It’s cocoa leaves.
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01:10:56
Cocoa leaves?
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01:10:57
Yeah. Yeah. And they they chew it and and, mix it with speak. And then Oh, boy. Yeah. They’re they’re all off their heads, really. But, but they still have this beautiful culture. And I was only there for a few days, and we were up in the mountains with them. Ram we there’s there’s another group, there’s an NGO, another group called the Amazon Conservation Team, who the White Feather Foundation worked with.
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01:11:22
And we went down there and bought was able to book buy back some of their land. And we did a couple of ceremonies with them, which were very, very beautiful. But one of the most I probably one of the happiest moments of my life, and I’ve only mentioned this once or twice, was that we came back down from the mountains.
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01:11:43
And we came to the sea where the we were staying in huts. And, and the Koji tribe came down with us. It lit a fire on the beach. Ram what sun was just going down. And there was no phones, no computers, no nothing. And we’re just sitting on the beach.
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01:12:05
And the fire’s between myself and the Koji ai. And the sun’s just going down, and the waves are right in front. And it’s just very beautiful. Nobody on the beach. Old, beautiful, beaten up tree trunks that have washed up on the shore and just a little haze from the from the the the the the water, and the sand being blown.
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01:12:30
And there was a piece that I can’t explain that it that I it was I looked over at them, and through the fire, you know, the the the flames of the ai. And we just smiled. There was no words. It was just some level of peace that had been found just living in that moment, that present moment.
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01:12:58
And then the sun going down and then because there’s no street ai or anything else around. You saw every star in the sky possible. Mhmm. And so with that transition, hanging out with this one of the oldest tribes in South America, with the fire, with the sea, with the sky and the stars, There was I can’t even describe it.
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01:13:24
It was one of the most loving and most peaceful moments of my entire life. Wow. The simplicity of it. It was actually the simplicity of it all. And just the human heart and the appreciation for the world that we live in. And it’s like, well, that’s partly why I do what I do.
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01:13:45
You know, even with the photography is capturing those moments, those once in a lifetime moments. And the other thing was is that how I started doing photography is ai I was on the road a lot, you do these real long haul flights, you know, to to America or to to Asia or wherever.
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01:14:04
And back in the day, you only had one movie on a projector. That was it. You know? You didn’t have TV screens or the iPhones or or anything to watch anything, you know? Right.
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01:14:17
So once the movie was done and it had a bit, you know, a bit of food or whatever, that was it. Most people would go to sleep. I would always be twitching, of course. So I’d be looking out the window and staring at the clouds. And and I would I I realized that, you know, what I was seeing was literally just moments. And they would never be again. They would be gone. Fleeting.
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01:14:46
That’s it. Whatever that cloud, that light, that shade, that shadow, the color, the beauty of that, the enormity of it as well was so I started taking pictures of clouds. And I just thought that at these moments, while everybody else was asleep on the plane, I’d be sitting there looking out, either thinking about everything that was on my mind in the world.
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01:15:12
Yeah. Or I’d be thinking of I’d I’d be thinking of nothing at all. And I’d just be at peace and again ai that moment in in Colombia, just absorbing everything that I found to be beautiful that was surrounded meh. You know? So so clouds were my thing at first. That was my moment to either get away or think about everything, you know.
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01:15:39
But mostly, that ai of element of freedom and space and just, am I the only one seeing this? Everybody else is asleep.
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01:15:50
Everybody’s distracted.
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01:15:51
Yeah. So I started taking pictures of clouds. And then, you know, I knew a few rock and rollers, so I started taking pictures of those too. And then one thing led to another because I’d go on these trips to Ethiopia with great organizations ai, Charity Water, And, and, again, Kenya and South America and a number of other places.
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01:16:18
I I just would take a camera with me because for the Ai, and I have to confess, and I’ve said this a few tyler, I have the worst memory of anybody I know. Absolute terrible. Absolutely terrible. And, so in a way, this was taking a camera with me was to catalog what was going on.
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01:16:42
And it was only when I got back home, I put them on the screen and I go, oh, that’s quite a nice picture. Oh, that’s not so bad. What if I just did this, that, and the other? And so I started making collections of my journeys, which eventually became my website and my photography.
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01:16:58
You know, I’ve never done a paid gigs as such, and I’ve never used nothing that was natural light or present light. So I’ve never set anything up. I’ve always tried to, again, get that moment, whatever it was. And then, you know, I had the opportunity I I know I’ve gone in a bit of a roundabout circle.
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01:17:21
But the the, you know, they the the publishers came to me earlier this year saying, do you sana do a book? And I’m thinking, well, meh. And how do I do this? And and because a lot of people don’t know I’m a photographer in any way, shah, or form, I I I thought, okay, can I can I make it a retrospective?
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01:17:40
Can I can I make it all the stuff that I’m interested in? You know, because often as a photographer or even a musician, you get, well, what is your favorite thing? What do you take pictures of? What does your song’s about? Ai everything. Ai do they you know, that’s that, you know, the idea of being pigeonholed in any way, shape, or form horrifies me. Me too.
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01:18:03
Sai this was a way for me to show my work. And it was a bit of a nightmare too because I had decided with the onset of this exhibition I’d been offered in in in Venice at this museum, alongside Helmut Newton, no less, ai don’t I try and marry the 2 so I have the book come out the same time as the exhibition?
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01:18:33
Now that meant working on the book like an absolute fruitcake madman on crack. I mean, we were doing 9 to 130 minutes a day virtually because they were he was based in the the, the guy who I was working with from the publishers, was based in Berlin, and I was where I was. So this would be virtual back and forth trying to figure out what makes a photography book great. It was some it was something else.
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01:19:04
We did it in a couple of weeks. It was insane. And the hardest job of it all was, because I used to shoot anywhere between a 100 and 50 and a 100 pictures for a collection. I was never one of those that had, like, a limited edition of 4 or 10 pictures ai deck. Yeah.
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01:19:26
Again, this was just a catalog of the work of what I’d seen and the the charity stuff. But then I had to, you know, in those moments, I had to learn how to make a collection of 50 pictures. Ai pictures. I’m going, well, how the hell do I do that? How am I sana do that?
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01:19:48
So it’s being able to tell the same story of 50 pictures in 5 pictures.
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01:19:55
The problem is you know about the other 90 pictures.
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01:19:58
Well, of course. And as I keep saying, they’re all my babies. Yeah. So, you know, it’s what it makes you realize is, okay, what’s the truth? What’s the really, really, really important message I’m trying to get across here? What am I trying to say? What am I trying to express here?
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01:20:16
You know, because half the ai, I just feel like a, you know, a meh, really. I’m just capturing something, you know, I’m sharing it. And the reason I say that is because once I started getting into this, a lot of the earlier emails I had were from disabled people or people that didn’t have money that couldn’t travel around the world.
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01:20:40
And they would say, well, you’re bringing this to us. You know, by taking these photos, you’re showing us your journey and where you’ve been and these indigenous tribes and this and that. I’m going, that’s pretty that’s really quite special. That’s really, you know, really quite special because you’re taking on another role.
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01:21:02
Because I try not to I’ve in whatever profession I’ve done, whether it’s documentary work or books or children’s books or music, I I never try and shove things down people’s throats. I just present things, and you take what you want from them. So the idea was to put a book together that just showed the world as I’d seen it through those journeys that I’ve been on.
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01:21:29
And what happened was that when we got the go ahead for this exhibition, which was only earlier this year, I was thinking, how am I gonna do that? And that was gonna I decided to make that a retrospective too. But how do I then chop that many pictures down to that of this exhibition?
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01:21:53
Again, I funnily enough, the book became my guideline. So what I’d learned in the editing process of putting the book together, I now looked to that and the book to see how I could present the work on the in a larger scale in a museum and which was bonkers, you know. And this this all happened this year. So it’s like, okay. Alright. Sai you know, I’m going for the ride with a you know, I obviously want it.
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01:22:29
But but, you know, when it all hits you at once, it’s it’s quite something else. It’s it’s been a full on full on busy, busy year. And there’s been music involved too and other other meh film projects, which arya, you’ll probably hear about next year. So it’s it’s it’s probably been one of weirdly one of my busiest years even though Sai
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01:22:54
Ai like you’re enjoying yourself though.
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01:22:56
I’m alive. You know, that’s I think that’s ram meh, that’s, you know, people say, how are you? I’m alive. And I I have always gone with things that have been presented to me organically. Ai I’ve ever fought that or or or or been pushed into situations, never generally never works out.
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01:23:23
I think
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01:23:23
for everybody, that’s
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01:23:24
true. Yeah. Yeah. Sai Ai, you know, I I I feel fortunate in that these things have come saloni, and I’ve I’ve been in the right headspace, thankfully, to go, meh. I sana I wanna do this, you know.
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01:23:39
When you started shooting, did you did you take classes in the technical aspects of photography? I
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01:23:46
don’t have a clue.
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01:23:47
So did you what what kind of cameras are you using?
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01:23:51
Ai did
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01:23:52
you learn how to use them?
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01:23:53
I I I didn’t. I didn’t. You
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01:23:55
just like figured out how to focus ai
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01:23:57
Sai same with music. I play by ear. Not a clue how to read or write music. Really? Yeah. And this, Ai tell you, this is one of my fears is that and I’ll come back to this, but, Ai because I’m not a practicing musician. Well, I haven’t been for years anyway because of all the other work that I do.
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01:24:21
So, if I’m not on the road and I’m not practicing and I’ve got a terrible memory, I forget. And so, you know, I’ve been cornered a few times and people say, come on. Pick up the car guitar or play the piano. Give us a song. I couldn’t.
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01:24:37
Sai couldn’t even if you gave me a $1,000,000 tomorrow. I couldn’t do it. My memory just doesn’t work that way. And so if Ai and this is why my manager and I, Rebecca, we keep having chats about going on the road. I said, listen, if we’re gonna do this, then this is this is a lot of work for me.
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01:25:02
This is I have to relearn how to play my own songs and ai lyrics, and I kid you not. Wow. Sai
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01:25:12
But you also have to relearn self taught.
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01:25:15
Yeah. Yeah. Right?
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01:25:16
So what would you do? Like, have you done that in the past where you had to relearn?
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01:25:20
Yeah. Well, what I I yeah. I I mean, the last tour I did with the album, everything changes.
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01:25:26
How do you scale it?
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01:25:27
Like, how do you get going? Just have to get in the room.
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01:25:30
So you just get in the room and start
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01:25:31
Get in the room with the ai, you know, the the the band that you put together. Generally, I’ll have 1 or 2 friends in the band, you know. And, and I have generally played, you know, rhythm guitar or or a bit of piano for a couple of songs. But Ai Sai have to relearn everything.
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01:25:51
I mean, it’s it’s it’s, and and then How long does it take?
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01:25:55
How long does it take to relearn and play?
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01:25:57
When we were we we were we were actually setting up, as I said, to do a bunch of TV shows to promote the album. And I was quite surprised about how quickly because the band was so good. I walked into the room. They had the songs down already.
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01:26:15
Mhmm.
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01:26:15
And I just went, oh, fuck. Shit. I’m screwed. Sai that means, again, I have to step up to the plate. And it was just a question of being in there every day, remembering, learning the chords, going over and over and over again. And, of course, when I’m all this stuff that we were gonna perform was all new material.
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01:26:37
Because when I write a song, you know, if if I’ve written the basics of a song in an hour or 2, you know, and it’s all there and then written the lyrics and then produced it, recorded it, and it’s done, that’s the one and only or couple of times that I’ll have ever played it.
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01:26:54
Mhmm.
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01:26:55
So it’s it’s almost a new song to me every time I come back to it. It it’s it’s a real weird one. So for the photography, yeah, I just took along basically a really good quality automatic camera that, you know, took the shots. Did you
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01:27:15
know what you were ai? Or did you just go bryden?
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01:27:18
No. Sai wouldn’t. Someone help you? No. I’d ask a few friends ai Timothy White. I’d say, you know, what could I use if I’m running around? And and, ai I took their advice. And, I started with a very simple camera that was autofocus and all compact, and I didn’t have to change lenses.
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01:27:37
And that’s one I did for a trip around the, South China Speak on a boat trip. I just took this one camera in my backpack and hoped for the best. And I Sai had a a show here at Leica in LA because it was a Leica camera, which was about 50 images of the trip that I did. So, but I I I think where my strength lies in photography is, weirdly not on the technical side, obviously, but capturing that moment.
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01:28:17
I tell you the one thing about the woman that’s on the cover of the book. So that’s she is now the princess of Monaco. Mhmm. Charlene originally Charlene Wittstock. And I’d met her a couple of times, and I’d met Prince Albert a couple of times.
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01:28:39
And I got this call literally the day before they were getting married from a mutual friend saying, Charlene loves your photography. She wants you to come and shoot the show. What? Yeah. She wants you to come down to her where she is getting ready for the the civil wedding tomorrow, and she wants you to take pictures.
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01:29:09
Wow.
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01:29:10
I mean, you sana talk about anxiety and crapping yourself? So Sai excuse me. I arrive at the hotel where she and all the maids of honors are. I’m sitting sitting in the lobby. And, I’ve got a backpack and one one camera. And I’ve tried to dress myself up a little bit. I don’t know what’s gonna happen. I had to go through several layers of security.
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01:29:39
You know, roadblocks and all this to get there, which was nerve ai to say the least anyway. And then the likes of Patrick de Marschallier, you know, one of the best photographers in the world, walks in with, you know, the suitcase trolleys. You know, those ones at the hotel shah aren’t the big ones on wheels with all his equipment on. 3 or 4 trolleys. And there’s I’ve got a backpack.
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01:30:09
You know? Anyway, I go upstairs. I’m placed in front of her in a room probably about similar to this size. And she’s sitting there completely blanked out in front of the mirror with the hairdresser, the hairdresser’s assistant, and their assistant, the makeup artist, the makeup artist’s assistant.
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01:30:34
Is that you? Yeah. That’s me. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I I’m in the book a few times.
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01:30:39
That’ll be a ai at one that’ll be a quiz at one point. How many times am I in the book? Ai don’t even know myself to be honest. But Ai so I I sit next to her. And you’ve got all these peep 20 people in a room this size doing things, trying to get her ready, 10 minutes before she’s getting married.
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01:31:00
And they put me on this little poof next to her. I’m sitting next to her, and she’s and I’m saying, are arya you okay? You know? Should I just take pictures? She said, Jules, I’m not sure what to do. I don’t know what to do. I’m going, what do you mean?
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01:31:20
You don’t know what to do about the marriage or me taking pictures? Ai can’t, you know, I couldn’t Right. Right. She said, no, no, Ai. I I, you know, it’s the the photos. I I said, listen, this is historic.
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01:31:34
This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to sort of record what’s gonna happen to you, you know, and exciting for me too to be a part of that as a photographer. And so Ai said, listen. I’ll keep out the way I’m I ai on the wall. You know, I I won’t be anywhere. Ai know.
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01:31:53
And I was thinking, how am I gonna do this? How do I do this? And so I just start. I just let people get on and I’m taking pictures. And I get a, a message from Vogue, vogue.com, who want a photo from me the moment she’s married. Ai I’m thinking, okay.
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01:32:16
I’ll just keep snapping away at whatever I do. And I watch the civil wedding. And then I meh, get on my bike, go home. And I start putting things up on my on the screen. And I’m looking at pictures going, I’ve got fuck all. I’ve got shit.
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01:32:33
I can’t this looks like crap to me. And this happens to me every ai, every fucking time. And I’m looking at the pictures going, they look terrible. They really, really look blurred and fuck and this and that and badly positioned. And Ai cursing myself.
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01:32:52
And the one thing that I meh that she said to me is that, look, whatever you do, don’t let any picture have me, drinking or smoking in it. And I went, oh, okay. And the one thing that Vogue said to me is we sana to see her smiling. And the one picture where she was smiling and, shah had champagne, in her hand and she had a cigarette. I’m going for fuck’s sake.
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01:33:25
Sai, okay, I was not a shah ai of guy, but I managed to get rid of the cigarette. And I’m thinking, okay. How do I get deal with the champagne shit? But then the one thing occurred to me, I I thought, okay. I’ll do it. I’ll I’ll desaturate it.
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01:33:45
Not black and white, but it’ll have an there’ll be elements of tones. I’ll make it, you know, so you can’t see that it’s champagne. And I did that and I cropped it in a certain way and I went, that’s it. Ai didn’t I think of this before? You know, 19 thirties, forties, fifties, Princess Grace, black and white, old school. So then I turned every picture I had black and white.
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01:34:12
Well, desaturated version similar to black and white of of the whole collection I had of her and it, and cropped it in a way that it was like 19 fifties magazines. You know? It’s just certain angles and a different look and a different feel.
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01:34:29
Was she okay with the champagne being in the photo?
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01:34:32
Well, it was it didn’t look like champagne. It just looked ai, fizzy water. And because they on the side, there had been bottles of fizzy water and still water. So that’s that’s cool. She had to give me the, the okay to do that. You know. When we decided that should be the cover of this book, you know, shah I had to get her approval.
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01:34:56
I mean, I already had approval for, you know, having her pictures in a collection or a box set, but not on the front cover of a book that may do well, you know.
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01:35:09
Have you ever been to Disneyland?
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01:35:11
Yeah. Oh, God.
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01:35:12
Do you
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01:35:12
know, all the pictures of Walt Disney have his cigarette photoshopped out of his hand?
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01:35:17
No. I did not. Yeah.
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01:35:18
In every picture, you see him like this.
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01:35:20
Is that so? Yeah.
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01:35:21
See if you can find some of those pictures because it’s really interesting once you know that they photoshopped it. There’s a guy that we’ve had as a tour there. Shout out to Flander. Awesome guy who works there. And he gave us this sort of history of Walt Disney. Walt Disney died of lung cancer.
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01:35:38
Right.
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01:35:38
Which you would think it would be probably a good thing to have the cigarettes sai people could know, oh, that poor ai. That’s what killed him. But instead, they’ve decided to whitewash it and Shah. So all of his photographs sai?
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01:35:52
That’s too
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01:35:53
Look at funny. Look at his fingers are always in a position where he would have a cigarette. All of them. That’s sai funny. And so those those real moments of him having a cigarette are lost forever.
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01:36:07
Whose idea was it to get rid of the cigarette?
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01:36:09
Disneyland. You know, Disneyland did not want That’s a fact. Yeah. I mean, let’s see if there’s a person it says there. It says the action is seemingly innocuous at first, but it’s apparently a murky tribute to Walt Disney’s smoking habits with the company sidestepping around the reason as to why the icon pointed that way, writes HuffPost.
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01:36:26
It’s been long speculated about the anonymous employee was informed by a lead that the strange gesture from the cast members at Disney Park is actually based on Walt’s old smoking habit. So people do that 2 finger gesture to each other?
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01:36:40
Yeah.
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01:36:41
That’s crazy. Allegedly began training employees to do the same thing. Part tribute to the great band, part rewriting history. So they tried to pretend that that thing that he was doing ai Tom Hanks when he played him.
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01:36:52
Right.
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01:36:53
He did that thing with his finger. But it’s all bullshit. It was a cigarette smoker, ai, a like a constant cigarette smoker.
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01:36:59
Oh, yeah. I was one of those.
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01:37:00
Is there any photos of him with a cigarette?
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01:37:03
Because you’re talking about it in 2014. No.
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01:37:04
That’s me. That’s funny. Well, that’s when I found out about it. That’s when, Flanders here was at the door.
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01:37:10
Stopped doing it then ai around then.
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01:37:12
Oh, god. Gotcha. I gotcha, bitch. I got them all to stop doing it. Because it’s fucking stupid.
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01:37:18
I thought
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01:37:19
Ai, the guy smoked cigarettes. Yeah. Smoking cigarettes is bad for you. He died from smoking cigarettes. You should probably let people know. It’s you’re doing a disservice to the whole world. Yeah. You know? For sure. And also, it’s, you know, it’s a part of history and the fact that so many people were unaware of the dangers of smoking cigarettes all day.
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01:37:40
I I used to be an insane smoker. Yeah. How’d you quit? Cold turkey. Wow. Yeah. I’d be one of those guys that would wake up at 4 in the morning and light up a cigarette and then go to sleep. Wow. Or I take, ai about 2 or 3 packs out with me of an evening. Really? Oh, yeah.
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01:38:00
Because I knew half of the people would nick half of my cigarette off. So I wanted to have backup. Oh, boy. Now Ai when the whole no smoking law came, you know, Italy was one of the first. Really? And Ai. Yeah.
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01:38:15
It was I think it was California that initiated it. Mhmm. And then Europe took it on board, and it was actually Italy and Ai. And I was in both of those places, and it was extremely weird to go into any especially in Italy and Ireland in the pubs. Mhmm.
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01:38:36
And for it to be a smoke free environment.
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01:38:39
Mhmm.
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01:38:41
That was just so weird because it was part of the norm of back in the day that you’d be in a cloud of stinky cigarette smoke
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01:38:50
Yeah. That was
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01:38:50
in any of those locations.
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01:38:52
Our norm at comedy clubs. Yeah. Yeah. I would go home from comedy clubs every night smelling like cigarettes. Yeah.
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01:38:58
For sure.
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01:38:59
The whole audience would be smoking.
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01:39:00
Ai as a smoker, you don’t think you’re not conscious of how other people how you stink as well. Right. Yeah. Which, you know, because it was ai, I when when I quit cold turkey, I did it. I did it because, I didn’t want anybody to tell me I couldn’t smoke. I was such a brat. That’s why you quit cold turkey?
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01:39:25
I quit cold turkey because I wanted to be I wanted to tell myself I couldn’t smoke, not for you to tell me I couldn’t smoke.
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01:39:35
How rough was it?
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01:39:37
That’s what, brought me down into a depression for a couple of years. Oh yeah, because I I I, listen, I started smoking at the age of probably 11 or 12 as part of my local gang, you know, that I used to be in as a kid. That’s what you did. You know, you nicked a sai siggies from your parents, and you’d band the back of the school.
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01:40:01
And that was part of the initiation, you know, the part of growing up. So, and I loved it because ram me, when I became noticed, as as a musician. Yeah. Ai again, with my anxiety, and I was a very shy kid. Very, very shy kid. Still can be at times depending on how I feel that day.
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01:40:28
But, I would, yeah, Ai would, the cigarette for me was my best friend. You know, I’d go to a arya I’d be able to, I’d be the, you know, not the cool guy at the bar, but certainly that would be my way of not having to interact with people.
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01:40:46
Right.
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01:40:46
You know, I’d just sit there and, you know, be a rocker and smoke my ciggy and down my Jack Daniels. And it was ai, leave me the fuck alone, you know. Right. Unless I, you know, wanted wanted to talk. So that was the groove back then. And then when I gave that up, you know, instantly, it was like, oh, shit. What do I do? How do I fill in that void?
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01:41:08
Well, I actually had to speak to people.
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01:41:12
Is that what it’s Cause the depression?
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01:41:14
Well, no. No. No. It was actually I feel it was definitely a chemical thing because again, Ai I was I was smoking a couple of packs a day, you know. I loved smoking. And the the way it changed Did
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01:41:28
you consider going back just to alleviate the depression?
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01:41:31
I I was actually a business manager friend of mine at the time said saw me at one stage and said, Jules, pick up fucking cigarette, please. Seriously. Ai he said, you’re you’re you’re gonna you’re gonna die the way you’re going.
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01:41:46
Wow. Speak up a cigarette because you’re gonna die without it.
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01:41:49
Yeah. That was literally his sentiment. Wow. And it was a few years where it was very, very dark, and it was the cigarettes. No question.
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01:41:58
Did you try patches or gum?
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01:42:00
Yeah. I did all of that stuff. Did it help? Not really. You know, I I loved that
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01:42:08
deep inhale. And It’s the delivery method. Yeah. It’s different than anything else.
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01:42:13
And the thing was, I would still challenge most good singing friends of mine, that I could, hold my breath or do lengths in a swimming pool underwater and hold my breath better than anybody else, which I was able to. And it’s because I was such a deep, deep smoker. When I inhaled, I really, really inhaled.
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01:42:43
So it was like lung exercises?
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01:42:45
Literally. Literally. And I, you know, I went I remember going for my certain yeah. Seriously. Ai I consider myself a shallow breather now in comparison, except for when I go on these kind of power walks, you know Wow. Trying to trying to get it all in anymore. But yeah. I no.
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01:43:04
I bought a a little apparatus, which I’ve I still haven’t I’ve been procrastinating about it, but it’s it’s an exercise that’s like Ai have one of those. Yeah. The 2 It’s o
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01:43:15
two trainer.
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01:43:16
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. So I haven’t done it yet.
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01:43:18
Ai little lenses on it or little Well,
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01:43:20
you just change the inhalation, volume. Yeah. It’s less And do it back and forth. Sai you just train to My friend, Sai Bryden, created one. Very good. I I I mean, I I know that they work. I just haven’t gotten around to it. But, you know, that
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Well, just breathing exercises alone are great. Yeah. You know, you can achieve some very bizarre altered states of consciousness through breathing exercises.
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01:43:44
Ai know, the the COVID experience was very, very different for very many people. And where I was in, in, Monaco in France, you weren’t allowed to leave your house without written paperwork to the police that you’re going out for 1 hour, and you could only go within 1 kilometer unless you were gonna get groceries where you could only go out for, I don’t know, limited amount of time.
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If you didn’t have the paperwork with you, you’d be fined. And so I, you know, I I started doing using quite a few apps to calm myself and and take on a deep breath and a deep focus because I I felt trapped, especially as someone who loved walking, who loved biking, who loved exploring, all of that stuff.
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01:44:43
And I couldn’t move. And the the here’s the really annoying thing, was that, where I was was quite close to the sea, a couple of 100 yards away. But as I said, I could only be in a 1 kilometer circle from where I was, but that half of that was in the sea. And and sai I could walk left and right to try and get 5 k in back and forth, you know, at least 5 k to try and get a good walk in.
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But you weren’t allowed on the beach, which was the most to sit there and contemplate and breathe and just, you know, try and relax.
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One of the healthiest things you can do.
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Yeah. You couldn’t you weren’t allowed to do that.
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01:45:35
Everyone lost their fucking ai. And it was really strange. In California, they were arresting people. The coast guard was arresting people for surfing. Like
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Sai know. It’s ai insane. I I remember going on my first Powerwalker arya a peninsula that’s about 15 minutes out of Monaco. And it’s somewhere I go every once in a while. And it was a really quite blustery day. And it’s right along the coastline. Rocks, high winds, the whole thing.
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And I’m walking power walking along thinking, I’m finally free. I’m finally free. Good. Anyway, so along the path, ahead of me about quarter of a mile, I see the number of bobbing heads. So, okay. And I wasn’t wearing a mask.
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You had to wear a mask even when you’re up power walking on your own. Because of ai. Of course. Genius. Well, you know, let’s not get into that.
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01:46:40
But, yeah. And, so over the ridge, they come. And and I noticed that one of the person at the front is wearing a a police hat. Oh, great. And so oh, god. Oh, shit.
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So I’m trying to scramble putting my mask on, and he’s taking out going for a run with a bunch of trainers, trainees, you know, about 8 8 other people from the police force. They’re all gunned up and trenchant and everything else. And the guy is going off on me in French saying, wear your fucking mask. You know, you sure that Ugh.
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And I’m going and I’m, and he says to me, yeah, I understand a little bit, a good amount of French, and I can speak a little bit, but I he said, who are you with? And I’m I’m looking around. There’s nobody for half a mile anywhere near me. And he’s asking me, who am I with? And I’m thinking, what’s that about?
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01:47:43
This is the weirdest scenario. I’m in the middle of nowhere Yeah. On a rocky peninsula, and he’s asking me who I’m with, and there’s nobody. And, you know, to put my mask back on, ai, I’d be in trouble. And it was just the most surreal, peculiar Yeah. Circumstance to be, you know.
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Well, you could have never imagined it before the pandemic. You could have never imagined a scenario where people would be that illogical. Wearing a mask outside, illogical. Meh. Not being able to go to the beach, illogical.
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01:48:19
I still love the fact that you see people sitting on their own in cars today wearing a mask. Oh, yeah.
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01:48:24
Well, if you go to Los Angeles my friend just went to a party and, he sent me a photograph. He’s ai, I’m at a Hollywood party. Everyone’s wearing a fucking mask. These people are in a cult. Like, it’s very it first of all, if you haven’t read the house, the ai page synopsis sana how what all went wrong with COVID, is that the everyone should read it.
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01:48:48
Just understand that the whole 6 feet distance, all that stuff is all made up. It’s all bullshit. Yeah. Masks don’t work. Yeah.
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01:48:56
They don’t work unless you have, like, a face fitting mask and even that, you’re getting oxygen in the the particle, like, viral particles in the oxygen are smaller than vape particles.
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Right.
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Like, if you vape with one of those things on then put it out and then or you take a big deep breath, put the mask on, the vape will come right through the fucking mask. Right. So will the virus.
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Right.
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Like, this is not real. You’re you’re pretending, and it’s forced compliance, illogical force compliance, which was very disturbing. It was very disturbing to for me to see how many people were reinforcing that too. How many people were yelling at us?
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Oh, yeah.
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It gave people a a wonderful opportunity to be assholes where they could yell at people for not having a mask on. But outside?
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Yeah. Like, really? No. The logic of
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It was out the window, but it was also really fascinating to watch human nature. The human nature of, first of all, that people really do enjoy controlling people. Oh, yeah. They really do enjoy telling people what the rules are and punishing people who disobey the rules even if they don’t make any sense. Yeah. Yeah.
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And then also watching people ai, knowing it’s illogical and and being upset at everyone that points out that it’s illogical, that doesn’t make any sense. Like, you’re the enemy because you’re not going along with it. You’re making it harder for us. We have to get through this. Like, how are is this real? Yeah.
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Yeah. Strange.
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Yeah. No. Ai yep. Stay away from everybody. That’s the the only
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I mean,
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silly Or
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go to a place. Well, I came here. Well, they didn’t embrace any of that. Like, I was in Los Angeles, which is ai the the most compliant place. Everybody was all in all in on the the the public narrative that being expressed in the mainstream media, all in on, you know, everybody who denies it is a anti science person and you’re anti this and enter that and just get that vaccine and just get on board with this beautiful little thing we’re gonna do.
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We’re gonna get through this together as long as everyone complies. And if you don’t comply and if your neighbors aren’t complying, here’s a number you can call. So you’ll start ratting out their neighbors.
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Nasty.
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It was like a it was a program that they the mayor of Los Angeles ram. Like, normally, snitches get stitches.
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Yeah.
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But this way, snitches get rewards. Like, they’re giving you money. Giving people money to rat out their neighbors for having parties.
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Yeah. It’s beyond messed up. Oh, sai
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strange. And it doesn’t seem real. Ai, my friend, Hassan And people are eager
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as well to join that club.
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Eager. So happy they’re part of it. Ai friend, Hassan, found a pair of pants that he was in his apartment and he pull out a mask out of the pocket. It’s ai, fuck. When was the last time I wore these? Yeah. There’s a mask.
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And when you see a mask, ai, and you realize like, I had a mask that was in my truck that was in, like, one of the back little little compartments inside. Ai just happened to be sitting there ai I was cleaning the truck out. I’m like, look at this fucking stupid thing. But just this was just 2 years ago.
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01:51:59
Yeah. But
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you had to have these things if you wanna get on a plane.
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01:52:02
Seems like a bad dream.
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It does. It’s like Disney and the the fucking the cigarettes. Ai, are they gonna shah out all these people’s masks in the picture?
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Surreal. I mean So strange. It really is. It’s all a bit odd. Well, hopefully I I still don’t get it. I don’t get any of it.
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You shouldn’t. Hopefully, these viruses
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that No. Especially those. Released
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don’t wind up becoming the next one. I used to think there’s no way that people would want that to happen. I’m not so sure anymore. No. After this last go around, I’m like, boy, there might be, like, sinister factors at work here that I don’t Oh, with that ai. Yeah.
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I’m sure of sure of that.
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And I was unwilling to ever think that way before. I was like, come on. That’s stupid. No one’s that evil. Oh, yeah. No one would do that just for profit. And now I’m like, I don’t know.
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Of course they are. They probably would. Oh, they would. Yeah. They would. No question.
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01:52:57
So strange. Sai strange. And then, you know, that Ai think the frustration of the overcomplicated, overregulated, over controlled world is probably what accentuates the experience of you being in South America with a fire looking at the stars. Yeah. You know? Because there’s a purity to that that especially no phones, no computer, no screens, no nothing.
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Just human beings ai
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just finding
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an experience on the planet.
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It’s it’s funny because I’m in the process of moving. I mean, I still have my base in Monaco, but the the place little place I had sai. I I I’m a lot of my later teenage years were, meh, remarried a couple of ai, but we were we were in, North Wales. I don’t know if you’re familiar with North Wales or Wales in general. No. It’s mountains. You know? Sheep and mountains.
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And, so, yeah, I I we lived in farmland on farmland, and, I used to work on a farm too. So I I loved and that’s where I actually learned how to ride a motorbike, you know, on farmland and through rivers and enduros and stuff like that. And, so I’ve always loved that element of of countryside.
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I always like the the excitement of a city and the people and the energy, but there’s also that that other side of peace and quiet and birdsong and Balance. Running water. Yeah. Yeah. Sai Ai The key’s
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01:54:46
like a little bit of New York City and a little bit of mountains. Yeah. That’s that’s the key to life.
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01:54:50
Yeah. So I I’m in the process of, I’ve just, and I hate this terminology forever. Home. But I I I I certainly think it’s a place that I’ll be for a while because hate the terminology of home? No. The forever. The Oh. This is gonna be my forever home.
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Oh,
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yeah. It’s just
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it’s so
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Yeah. I like moving. I really enjoyed moving here. I like getting up and just being in a new place. Yeah. I think it’s good for the brain.
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I think I I’ve I’ve been at the same place for over 26 years through some very good things, but some pretty dark moments as well, whether that’s relationships or friendships and things like that. And I I finally decided a few years ago, I need to change. Where are
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you going?
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I I’m I’m very close by. I mean, I’m literally 15 minutes away, but it’s just a different ai.
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01:55:44
It’s up
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in the mountains. Okay. Surrounded by, you know, beautiful old oak trees and walking paths. And Ai mean, I know I sound like I’m going turning old all of a sudden.
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No. You sound like someone who appreciates beautiful things.
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I just want Ai know, and the funny thing is when I went to see this place for the first time, my shoulders just dropped. Mhmm. Ai just Right. And it was, I don’t sana leave here. Yeah. You know, I I I, you know, and the rest of the world seemed very alien after walking onto this property.
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01:56:24
I just went, okay. A couple of acres of land surrounded by beautiful old trees and, peace and quiet and
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01:56:34
I have thoughts on that. I think that nature is a vitamin that we don’t know we need. Absolutely. No question about it. Yeah. You get it and then you’re filled up and you’re like, oh, this is what I was missing.
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I mean, that also the whole, you know, tree hugging, earthing thing. Yeah. It’s real. I Sai believe absolutely 100%.
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01:56:52
It’s real. It’s real.
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01:56:53
It’s And you feel better. I mean, sai scientifically proven Mhmm. That it, Yeah.
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01:56:58
We have a connection to Earth that’s been muted by our shoes.
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01:57:02
Correct. This is very, very true.
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01:57:04
Yeah. It’s weird. It’s weird to think that way, but
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01:57:07
it’s absolutely correct. You know, you can put well, Ai and I I have done this too that you can get earthing sheets. Yeah. That you can sleep on. Ai I don’t know. Ai, you know, I I sleep on one. I don’t know if it works or not.
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01:57:22
It probably does something.
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01:57:24
But if yeah. But what? That’s the I
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01:57:26
don’t know. Just get outside. Yeah. And then get outside is the move. And if you can get outside barefoot, it’s even better.
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01:57:31
This is very, very true.
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01:57:33
The other day, I was playing with my dog in the backyard, and I was throwing the ball for him. And he just ai sometimes he’s kinda lazy. Sometimes he just decides to lay down so I just sat down with him. And it was just just amazing moment of him just wagging his tail, you know, me petting him and just sitting in the yard, just trees and birds and just
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01:57:51
That’s it. Beautiful. That’s it.
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01:57:53
It’s a beautiful peaceful moment that I just experienced with my dog. That’s it. 2 of us chilling.
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01:57:59
That’s it. Really? Really?
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01:58:01
It was a beautiful moment. I was thinking in the in that time, like, this is so simple. It’s just a simple beautiful moment. And, you know, if you try to explain it to people, most people arya probably not gonna get it. Okay. Yeah. You’re a new dog. You love your dog.
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01:58:14
Like, no. It’s not it. No. It’s like it was just life. It was just like this moment of life is recognizing and also not thinking about anything else, which is also beautiful. Not thinking about Sana. Yeah.
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01:58:27
Ai thinking about your limits.
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01:58:28
It’s about that little moment of appreciation here and now. Thank you very meh. And how how that can be beyond beneficial to you.
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01:58:39
On But then, like, even explaining vatsal, unfortunately, has been co opted by the term mindfulness, which is so often used by grifters and, like, fake gurus and dorks and just it’s one of those words that you say it and you’re like, mindfulness.
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Yeah.
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I hate saying it. Yeah. Yeah. I’m a spiritual person. Oh, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I can’t take it, you know. It’s like
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01:59:04
I get it.
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But those terms are valuable. It’s like the term God. It’s like it’s a valuable term. Love is a valuable term.
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01:59:11
Yes.
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But so often they just get ruined just by insincerity or just by people who use it as a way to define themselves. For sure.
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01:59:21
Hijacked. Hijacked. They’ve been hijacked. Hijacked.
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Yeah. That’s it.
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For yeah. Which is very sad actually because
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01:59:28
it is Yeah. We could take it back. Probably. We could take it back from those hijackers. Fuck them.
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01:59:36
Ai in. I’m in. Yeah.
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01:59:38
I mean, there’s, do you know who Alex Gray is? No. Alex Gray is a visionary artist. He does a lot of, like, very, very intricate psychedelic pieces that are, like, iconic. He’s very famous in, like, the psychedelic world. His his stuff is really
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01:59:57
Oh, you know what? I’ve I’ve seen I’m sure. Yeah.
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He’s very, very famous.
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Oh, yeah. No.
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Ai. But, we were talking about this, and he said that he took the the the term God back. Because he’s ai, I think the term God has been co opted by this idea of these totalitarian religions that impose very strict rules and dogma on people. He was ai, I don’t think we should stop using that word just because of that. I think we can kinda take that word back.
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It would be good to.
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Yeah. Well, I think he kinda has. He actually has a church. He has
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Oh, really? Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. He and it’s ai he shah to go through a whole thing and to acquire, you know, tax exempt status. But his church is this insane building that is all 3 d printed with his type of psychedelic artwork. So it looks like some insane, like, magical spiritual retreat that you would find somewhere.
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Like, see if you can find
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Where where It’s
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called a Chapel of Sacred Mirrors.
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02:00:58
Where is this?
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02:00:59
Upstate New York. Upstate New York. So it’s not that far from the city. You can get there fairly quickly. And it’s, you know, a completely different world, and he’s got this church up there that’s filled with his insane artwork. But this church itself is a piece of artwork.
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02:01:15
Like, the outside of it, the way, you know, he has a lot of these images of these faces that arya, like, multiple, like, multiple sides of faces all
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02:01:26
connected together, and this is like this.
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02:01:26
Oh, wow. Yeah. So this is the together, and this is like this.
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02:01:30
Oh, wow.
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Yeah. So this is the sai of his building. It’s really incredible. That’s the building. Woah. Ain’t that amazing? So the building is very very much like his type of tryptamine inspired art where, like, you know, you have all these 3rd eyes, like, in a fractal form, the Yeah.
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02:01:50
Geometric pattern on the roof, and everything is like that. It’s really amazing. Phenomenal. And, you know, he’s been working on it forever.
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02:01:59
What is is he professing anything?
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I don’t
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know what his keep falling short. As such? I mean
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02:02:09
That’s Alex when he’s very young. Yeah. But he’s been, you know, in the sort of psychedelic space and psychedelic art space forever. And he had this, incredible place in New York City, and then he decided to do this whole church. Just click it right there and just, like, play it out.
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Ai don’t really know what the video is.
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Okay.
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It’s
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20 minutes long.
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Ai see. So a lot of his So is So that’s his ai.
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Is this derived from Yeah. Yeah. Like Yeah. Ai and magic magic mushroom? Let’s say
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02:02:45
ai there comes out of the psychedelic experience.
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Okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. He’s been a long time proponent of psychedelics. Just very, very interesting ai, and his artwork is just incredible. Like, really but, like, probably the most accurate encapsulation of these experiences in, you know, in a in an artistic form. Really wild stuff. And, again, this is you know, he’s the way he’s got it set up now, he’s in the woods.
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02:03:17
So he’s in this beautiful, like, rural arya, and then he’s got this incredible chapel that’s up there. So it’s pretty fucking cool.
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02:03:29
Well, I’m I’m certainly a believer in other realms that we don’t see on a daily bail basis.
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Yeah. Ai, I probably should be.
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I’ve had a few experiences that would, whether whether that’s a dream within a dream or whether it’s reality, I don’t actually know.
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Well, one of the things that I’ve talked to about, with, some pretty insanely brilliant people is quantum computing.
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Oh, yes.
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And this new Google quantum computer that can do essentially the way a quantum computer works, a a a problem that would take 1000 of years Meh. For every computer on Earth Yeah.
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I see. I’ve read that.
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Ai can solve in a second. Yeah. Something that can take more years than you literally can understand. It could be solved in 15 minutes.
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Yeah. I’ve I’ve read that.
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It’s insane. And this is where it gets really weird. The way it was explained to meh, and we we should have to Google how quantum computers work and why people connect them to the multiverse, so I don’t fuck this up. But the idea is that they’re pulling answers from different universes simultaneously.
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They don’t even completely understand how this is working, but the amount of power in computing is incomprehensible incomprehensible.
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Yeah.
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Like, you’re only looking at it, and there’s numbers. You could write all those numbers out, but your brain’s not capable of grasping really what’s going on.
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Yeah.
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And it’s probably the biggest breakthrough technologically in human history by a long stretch, and it’s all happening without most people even being aware of what the implications are. So see if you can Google an explanation of how quantum computers work.
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I’m trying to Was
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it Arya Andreessen that was explaining to us that it’s pulling from different universes?
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No. Not that.
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Who was that?
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Being talked about in the wording of the Willow description.
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Right.
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But I also just to add, when I was reading about this, they said that the these benchmark numbers are coming off of Google’s own data. Like, they’re the ones that set, like, the scale of
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Mhmm.
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What some of the quantum
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Are you scammers? Is that what you’re saying?
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I’m I’m just no.
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02:05:55
Calling bullshit on Google?
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No. Not at all.
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Not at
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all. Not at all.
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No. No. I’m just a grain of saloni, like, just to say that, like, except Sai think they used, tillions is the number or something
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like that. Tillions.
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No one even can sana grasp that. Yeah. That’s just based but that’s a number based off of their formula too.
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02:06:10
Right. That’s all. Right. What is the the definition of how it works? The the way it pulls from multi multi universe.
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Ai think the I’m trying to find it, but I think the understanding I got from it was it’s just too powerful to get from our universe alone. You’d have to have more more than 1. And I don’t like, that’s just
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like, what does that mean? How does that even Exactly. What does that mean? Right? What what is that thing that they have? And if you ever seen the chip itself, the chip itself is very small. Yeah. It’s like the size of a saltine cracker. Yeah. And then this entire mechanism around it is just the insane amount of cooling. Okay. Google’s Quantum AI founder said the performance gains lead lend excuse me.
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02:06:54
The performance gains lends credence to the idea that we live in a multiverse. The idea is that Willow might be communicating with parallel universes to finish calculations faster. Like, what what does that mean? The announcement led Google’s already high stock price to surge, which isn’t that shocking, but perhaps most ai for us laypeople that Google’s Quantum AI founder and lead, Arya Nevin, said that the chip’s performance lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes in line with the idea that we live in a multiverse.
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02:07:32
And then it says, excuse me? The this obviously has caused a bit of a stir and isn’t and it isn’t exactly clear on how he made that leap. It sounds a bit like something out of a sci fi movie, and I’m definitely not gonna pretend I’m an expert, but it’s worth pointing out that Google is very much still in the theoretical research phase of this journey.
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02:07:52
This is very weird stuff. An evolving scientific field that even people working on it don’t fully understand.
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02:08:02
What?
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02:08:03
Okay. Here here’s what is a quantum computer. Let’s explain this. Yeah. The computer we use every day and have been, iterating on for the past several decades are known or what is known as a classical computer. Essentially, a classical computer utilizes binary as its language of choice.
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02:08:21
A bit in the smallest units, unit of data that a computer can store and process is like a light switch. Each bit can only be in a single state at a ai, on or off, which is represented by 0 or 1. Computers track data based on the language of bits. Literally anything our computers do is based on a network of on off switches sending a particular signal.
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02:08:43
A quantum computer is a bit different. If you’re familiar with the concept of superposition or Schrodinger’s cat, this won’t be too far of a stretch, but a quantum bit or qubit is capable of representing the potential of multiple states at once. Rather than only recording a 1 or a 0, it records both because it can be both.
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02:09:04
This allows a chip like Willow, which has a 105 qubits, to perform incredibly complicated analytics in a fraction ai a classical computer could. And how does it work? So let’s boil down to a very small example. If you have 2 bits which can return a value of 1 or 0, there are 4 potential states that it can be recorded, 00, 01, 11, and 10.
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02:09:26
If each of these states takes one second to record, it’d take a classical computer 4 seconds to record every position permutation, every possible permutation. A quantum computer made up of 2 cubits, however, would be able to send to record the potential of each cubit at once, meaning it could record all 4 positions all 4 possible states in one second.
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02:09:49
The real power here is is achieved when you add a much higher number of cubits together and try to record every possible state. Once again, something that would take a classical computer far longer could be achieved quickly because a quantum computer can record a number of potential states at once rather than one of a time.
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02:10:07
Okay. We basically don’t know what the fuck we’re saying here. This is just too weird. That’s okay. So this is what it is.
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02:10:13
1 of the world’s most advanced classical computers. Okay. Here it is with the this this this problem. So AI’s founder and lead, Hartmut Nevin, said that the new chip had performed a purposefully complicated exercise called a random circuit sampling benchmark in 5 minutes. One of the world’s most advanced classical supercomputers, on the other hand, it would take 10 and then 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, 3 zeros, years to perform the same exercise.
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02:10:48
That’s 10 septillion years, which exceeds known ai scales in physics and vastly exceeds the age of the universe. So it can do more time than vastly exceeds the entire age of the universe, and it can do it in 5 minutes. And the reason it could achieve such a monumental improvement in calculating capacity is because Willow is made above a 105 cubits and can track the potential of each of those at once, allowing it to record potential data much faster and come to the right answer sooner.
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02:11:23
So, like, what is happening?
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02:11:25
That’s too much information. What
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02:11:27
is? What what do you ai?
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02:11:29
I meh it, but I don’t get it.
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02:11:30
What I I don’t meh, how does that prove the multiverse or provide evidence that the multiverse is real? Like and that it’s getting it from parallel universes? Like, what are we even saying here?
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02:11:42
Couldn’t come up with those answers within the allotted ai span that’s
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02:11:49
Yeah. What?
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02:11:53
Fuck. I can’t even Ai can’t even explain. I mean, funnily enough, this is ai brother’s into all all of this stuff. Sean, he’s
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02:12:01
in simpler language.
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02:12:03
He he he would probably be able to explain it to you, Sean. He’s ai
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02:12:07
Well, he would give it a shot.
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02:12:08
He would, certainly.
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02:12:09
I think he was the one that was probably explaining it to us. In simpler language, Willow is doing one calculation while an unknown number of willows in other universes parallel to our own are doing their own calculations, and they are sharing that data to avoid needing to individually do every possible calculation to finish the equation.
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02:12:30
What the fuck does that mean? How are they sharing data between universes? I don’t know. Ask Nevan. Remember, this is all theoretical and doesn’t prove anything, but Nevan is saying that the fact that the chip can outperform outperform our best supercomputers by such a wide margin means that it might have broken Newton’s theory of physics.
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02:12:52
Yo. What does it say under that, Jamie?
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What does this mean for me?
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02:12:58
Keep that going. No. Keep put that back on. Scroll up a little bit.
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02:13:01
It’s right here.
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02:13:02
Okay. This is what I ai look at. At this point, it’s an exciting look what computing might take one day, but it isn’t something you’re gonna see in your next pixel phone, quantum chips. You’d be isolated incredibly specific chambers. Yeah. This is the thing. It’s cooler than it has to be cool to a point where it’s colder than outer speak, sealed away from any possible signals such as microwaves, radiation, radio signals, etcetera, for fear of that noise leading to potential mistakes and have specific signals delivered by purpose built wires.
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02:13:31
Who figured this out? Where are those eggheads?
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02:13:35
Jesus Ai. Even come up with that if that has to be the ai? I don’t
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02:13:40
How did they figure out that you have to do that? All of it.
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02:13:44
That’s that’s just brain damage.
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02:13:46
That’s one of the most humbling things that I found about doing this podcast is realizing how genuinely dumb we are in comparison to the amount of information that’s available.
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02:13:55
No question.
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02:13:56
And and dumb and I’m saying is, like, not just uninformed, but incapable even if given the information of grasping exactly what these speak minds are thinking and working on right now, along with, at the same time, people just living in Ravello, just having an espresso and a cigarette and getting a slice of pizza.
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02:14:21
Maybe they realize and they just sai, fuck it. Yeah.
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02:14:25
But it seems like the human race desires all things. The human race desires people like yourself who enjoy photography and travel and this beautiful experience of life, but it also sort of requires people to be at this bizarre cutting edge of science where it seems to be violating the known laws of physics.
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02:14:47
Like, all those things
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02:14:49
Ai it it hurts my brain. Mhmm. I I I meh, I’d love to know more.
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02:14:55
Well, just think about what we’re doing right now. Just think about what we’re doing.
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02:14:58
Ai, we’re talking about how a TV works or or the radio. I’m still not How does
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02:15:03
this work?
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02:15:03
I’m still back there.
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02:15:04
What what makes this louder? What makes the microphone carry our voice? What how is this being encoded into, ai, a form that’s gonna be instantaneously delivered to millions of people? Sai millions of people arya hearing this right now. Like, as it gets to them, not right right now, but once it gets released, the millions of people that are hearing this are getting it through the sky Yes.
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02:15:26
On their phone.
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02:15:27
I resign. Ai truly resign on that level. I can’t. I I can’t. It doesn’t.
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02:15:36
No. I can’t either, but it’s pretty amazing. It’s pretty
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02:15:40
it’s an
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amazing time to be alive.
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02:15:42
Fascinated by it every day. And that that’s why with subjects that are happening with AI right now, I find it massively intriguing because there is an element to that that may allow me to understand a great deal more, you know, before it’s too late.
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02:16:00
I think we’re the last of the regular people.
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02:16:03
It’s quite possible.
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02:16:04
I think this this experience that we’re we’re having, this experience that you’re having, like, on a motorcycle with no signal, just driving through the countryside, like, just being ai, I think we’re the last of those people. I think what’s next
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02:16:17
Even that sounds like a dream though.
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02:16:19
I know.
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You know? I mean, just the whole concept of that is dream worthy. Yeah. Sai mean, I I have a number of theories on who we are and where we came from and UFOs.
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02:16:36
What do you think? What do you
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02:16:37
think? Well, I you know, to some degree, I’d always felt even as a as a young kid that that UFOs were us coming back for history lessons, basically. And that they the the vehicles were driven by, our minds anyway. But Ai I mean, I’ve I’ve seen, as dad had also seen a UFO, I’ve clearly seen a UFO.
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02:17:07
What’d you say?
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02:17:08
I was actually here’s the weird thing. I was actually on my way to, I think, visit dad in New York. I think it was New York, which is where he’d seen one on the, Upper East Side in an apartment that I visited, I went to see him at. He’s standing on the roof of this apartment where he he was living at the time, and, yeah, he he it’s on film. He clearly says this thing came along.
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02:17:39
I could tell you exactly what it looked ai, went up the Hudson, went under the bridge, and then zapped off. My I’ve had 2 experiences, but the the most profound was, funnily enough, was one of those flights on good old TWA. And I was in the front part of the plane, and I’d I was had been given, because I was quite young, maybe anywhere between 8 10. I don’t know.
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02:18:11
11 maybe. Ai I was going to see dad for for one of the first times in the US. And the guy that was escorting me over, gave me one of those first time I’d ever seen ram, one of those books that had blank pages. I thought, wow, those are weird. You know, Ai quite unusual. I’d never seen them over in England before. Just these hardback, black covered books with nothing inside.
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02:18:43
So Ai had one of those in the coloring sai, so I was, I guess, relatively young. Everybody had watched the movie. Everybody had gone to sleep. I was staring out the bloody window as I normally do. And I was in front of the wing on the right hand side.
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02:19:03
And I’m just staring out at the stars, literally. And I kid you not, all of a bryden, I I I I see your archetypal UFO with the lights around, light on top. It was silver. You know, however, reflective meh, with white lights all the right pulsating white lights all the way around. It stayed there, I can’t tell you how long.
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02:19:40
How far away from the plane was it?
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It was right there, it was, 50 feet.
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02:19:48
50 feet from the wing of the plane?
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02:19:49
Yeah, yeah. In front of the wing of the plane.
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02:19:51
Did anybody else notice it?
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02:19:53
Nobody else was there. Everybody else was asleep. There was no stewardesses. There was no nobody was What
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02:20:01
about the pilots?
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02:20:02
I don’t that that Ai don’t know. All I know is what I saw.
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02:20:05
God, I would’ve sana ask them.
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02:20:07
I I just I guess I was kind of freaked out or just okay with it. I don’t I can’t even How old were you at the time? Any Ai you know, 8, 9, 10, 11, something like that.
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02:20:20
And how big do you think it was?
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02:20:26
I I would say it seemed about the radius would be about the width of this room.
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02:20:32
Wow.
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02:20:33
But what happened was, so I I watched it for a few seconds, but I I knew we were going along at somewhere in between 35 ai miles an hour. I think the old big old 7 four sevens used to reach that kind of speed. And, it just started doing this. Going up at at the same speed. And and I’m watching it through the window going up and over, and there was nobody in the in the seats on the other side.
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02:21:08
And so I ran to the other side and and was at the window like this. And it was I was at a seat or 2 in front of where I actually wasn’t here. And it came down the other side. This is ai mother’s life. I came down on the other side and and and sort of pitched itself there for a few seconds.
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02:21:33
Proceeded to move forward, ai looked like relatively quite saloni, and then literally just went and disappeared at forward. And that was there. And I and that was at ai. Literally just turning to sunrise because I actually the book I had, I drew the whole thing and the light and what it looked ai.
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02:22:00
Do you still
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02:22:01
have those drawings?
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02:22:02
Okay. No. Damn. Tell me about it. I I don’t know what happened to that, but, as clear as day. As clear as day. Ai life, my mother’s life, I’d I Did you and
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02:22:16
this is gonna sound crazy. Did you
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02:22:18
Welcome to have
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02:22:19
a sense Yeah. That that was for you? That you aren’t just seeing something, but ram maybe that was for you?
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02:22:30
I could have taken that Yeah. Angle. Ai, well, Sai mean, there’s been moments in in my life certainly that I felt things have happened at a particular time for me to notice things. That it was related to my life experience. I mean, I half of the things Ai couldn’t tell you what they were, but Ai mean, White Feather was an example of that. Right.
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02:23:00
Where for me shah was an that was undoubtedly a sign, a relevant sign that made me certainly feel that, and I’d had other experiences, that that was a real connection, a real message
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02:23:22
Mhmm.
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02:23:23
Indirectly.
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02:23:26
Yeah. Well Oh, ai. The white feather is so profound. It’s so it’s so intensely on the nose that it’s very difficult to dismiss. And I know there’s a lot of, like, hyper rational people that would like to dismiss it. They’re like, they are it’s just it’s a coincidence. It’s a this Yeah.
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02:23:43
Meh question is, are you sure? Are you sure? You know, I don’t think we are. I think this concept of the divine, this concept of being something else has existed throughout the entirety of youth.
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02:24:00
There’s all kinds of stuff going on. I mean, I’ve I’ve seen I was invited to the location where I was staying, and I I had this, experience where I saw, quite clearly. I was I was on my own, again, of course. And I was looking out to the sea. This was down in Mexico. And and, I was literally just kind of drifting off, and I, without question, at least I believe so, I sai, to me, what looked like Mayan Indians, see through, dancing around a fire.
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02:24:48
And I went, what the fuck? I mean, I I really, kinda got a little scared. I went, what am I seeing? How am I seeing this? Why anyway, it was all a bit weird. And at the breakfast table the next day, and I’d never been to this place before.
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02:25:12
I was invited down as a guest, and I and, the host hostess said, you know, how did you sleep? Is everything alright? Did you I said, well, I don’t sana say anything, but, I think I saw some, see through Mayan Indians last night. Oh, now you didn’t know that this was, built on a Mayan Indian burial ground? She sai shah the front door. What’s that? She said, that freaked me out firstly.
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02:25:43
Then then, of course, she she comes back into the room with a tray of artifacts. You know, spearheads and a few other things and other tools that they use. But then shah came, she did one better. She came, goes and brings in a book that’s, a very, very thick book with the generations of Mayan and civilizations that have been there before.
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02:26:14
And so she says, you know, have a look. And I’m flipping through the books. The book. And I see the exact headdress and skirt that they were wearing, and the exact colors of those headdresses. It was 2 tone.
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02:26:34
It was like an earth color and a, sky blue, kind of that that color. And that’s, in in a particular, arrangement on the headdresses and on the on on the skirts. And and I said, that’s them. And they said, oh, yeah. That would that was the particular era, and that’s, where we got where the where the property was built on. And, and I just went, well, okay. Alright.
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02:27:07
That just to me, I’m sorry. That just says between between the between that and the ai feather yeah. And there’s 1 or 2 other incidences. I just went, yeah. There’s so much more shit that we don’t know.
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02:27:22
There’s something
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02:27:23
that lives and breathes and exists around. And there was something written the other day also, whether it’s today or yesterday, saying that, you know, our ears and our our eyes can only see so much.
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02:27:36
Right.
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02:27:37
You know, humans Right. That there exists so much more that we don’t have a clue about.
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02:27:43
Right.
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02:27:43
So I’m just going, okay, there’s there’s there’s ai only.
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02:27:49
Well, you have to go back to the idea that eyes didn’t exist at one point in time. Tyler were single celled organisms.
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02:27:54
Yeah.
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02:27:54
Right? And so they became multi celled organisms and then they developed simultaneous eyesight in the ocean and on land. And then this idea that your eyes allow you to sai, so therefore, you’re seeing everything is ai silly. Because before the eyes existed, there was no perception.
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02:28:13
It not using light, There was no way you could see things. Mhmm. Yeah. So ai would we assume that this is all that the senses could potentially interact with? That maybe we just don’t have them and maybe is what I’ve said a lot about, like, psychic communication and telekinesis and all these different things. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:28:37
I think there are emerging emerging properties of human consciousness that haven’t achieved, like, a full blown integration yet.
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02:28:45
Yeah.
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02:28:46
And my my real suspicion is that the biological evolution is not going to make it there in time and that the technological evolution is going to intervene and push us just like that UFO disappeared in space Ai. Just took off. I have a feeling that the next leap of change that’s gonna happen with human beings is going to be technologically driven and monumental Yeah.
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02:29:14
In a way that you you won’t be able to even imagine life without it. It’s scary, but it’s also it’s ai it’s scary to not be a monkey anymore and to be in a taxicab. Yeah. You know, it’s you know, when that happened. Yeah. You know, it’s scary to not, you know Yeah. You have to walk everywhere and then also when you’re flying in a plane.
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02:29:32
All that is kind
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02:29:33
of I would love to be a, you know, a fly on the wall.
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02:29:36
Oh, my god. I would have the ai for me, flying the wall would be like ancient Egypt. I would love to see what was going on when they were making the pyramids. Yeah.
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02:29:46
Oh,
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02:29:46
yeah. That’s my number one place in this. The next would be what was it like when Genghis Khan was running through Asia? What was that like? You know, those those are 2.
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02:29:56
Just Yeah. Yeah. Well, there’s there’s a lot of unanswered things out there, but, I I I’m a, you know, I I make the odd meh, so I’m I’m a documentary watcher, whenever I can, really. That’s sometimes it’s either Anthony Bourdain or a documentary that puts me to sleep most evenings. Oh, wow. After after watching them, not during.
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02:30:21
Right.
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02:30:23
But, yeah, no. So I Ai Ai I I thirst for information half the time. Whether I retain it or not is another thing, but I certainly am driven to absorb Yeah. What I can.
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02:30:35
As am I I think that Ai I try to especially as I get older, to be more open minded and less dismissive of all this bizarre stuff ai ghosts. Like the like,
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02:30:49
I think Yeah. What’s your what’s your take?
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02:30:51
I think certain memories are so potent and that the energy that’s created by these moments is so potent that sometimes it lingers, and sometimes it’s available, and sometimes it’s not. And it depends on the state of the people, the the the state of consciousness that they’ve acquired, the level of anxiety they’re currently experiencing, the level of stress, where they are in the world, the solar cycles, the fucking I think all these factors come into play and occasionally people see whispers of the past ram maybe it’s not even that it’s the past.
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02:31:26
Maybe it’s those things are happening. They’re just not happening in this level of the multiverse, and that all things that have ever happened are happening simultaneously all at once in this very bizarre structure that the universe is actually made out of. But we’re only capable of thing seeing 3 d space, what’s currently available, what’s in front of me right now, what am I gonna eat for dinner.
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02:31:52
You know, like, we have a very limited view of this thing that is impossible to grasp. Just like those numbers of septillion, whatever, it’s impossible. You can’t you can’t grasp it. I have a feeling that’s everything. I think everything, ai, that that kung fu movie, everything all at once.
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02:32:09
Ai think that’s there’s probably a lot to that. There’s probably a lot to that this isn’t a binary experience. This is this probably is
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02:32:17
I just I just hope we get to understand some of it.
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02:32:20
It’s ai of fun to not and kind of fun to, like, speculate.
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02:32:24
One day?
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02:32:24
Yeah. But the question is once you do know, would that be better? Would it be better? Or is is there something
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02:32:30
Ai mean, do you have to know everything? You know? Yeah. Just give us a hint. Well, you ai. Exactly.
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02:32:34
The problem is you might know everything.
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02:32:36
You know, you know, the problem is you’re meh. That’s what many say
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02:32:40
Yeah.
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02:32:40
That it’s you’re just remembering things.
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02:32:43
Well, that’s true too. Right? That information is essentially you’re pulling it out of the air. You’re, like, ideas, you’re pulling ideas out of
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02:32:51
the air.
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02:32:51
Right. It’s all in the ether. It’s who gets there first.
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02:32:54
Yeah. But do you feel like that way with your music ai? Like, that ideas just sort of come
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02:32:58
to you
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02:32:59
ram the muse? Absolutely. Yeah. I think everybody does.
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02:33:01
No question about it. Yeah.
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02:33:04
Even with photography?
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02:33:06
I think that’s
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02:33:07
ai, there’s something that tells you to capture this thing sana gonna resonate with people.
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02:33:11
No question about it. Ai meh, one of my my favorite pictures in the in the book is one called Hope, and it’s of this little girl in Ethiopia that, I was actually there to take a photograph of this person who was cutting the ribbon to open, a new freshwater well. And I just heard this noise behind me, and we were under a plastic cover. It was sweltering out there.
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02:33:39
And, again, because I’m shired and I don’t set things up, I maybe it’s like a gorilla street shah, you know, the and I just I just had this feeling that I needed to turn around. And and I did turn around, and I just saw this young girl just ai of looking at me ai anything I can say is that, again, that that that everything’s gonna be ai.
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02:34:14
That for this little girl
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02:34:17
there Meh.
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02:34:18
To kind of go, it’s okay. We’re gonna be okay. You know, that’s that’s the impression I got from her. It’s it was just this look. It’s kind of like that Nat Geo moment, you know. Yeah. And I literally speak around, snapped the shah, and turned around, and never looked back again.
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02:34:38
And when I did Wow. She’d gone. She was with a group of friends. And I didn’t actually know if I’d got the shot because because again ai eyesight’s not the best. Sana and I certainly couldn’t see it properly on the back of my camera in the middle of a bloody desert.
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02:34:53
So it was only when I got back to the hotel and put it into the, the computer that I went, oh. But that but that face to me was just like this, we’re sana be okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ai.
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02:35:10
And I don’t know, those kind of moments give me some kind of, as I called it, hope, you know, that, that, we’ll do okay at the end of the day, you know. But that’s a very human element and a very, you know, warm embrace, which I choose to, you know, kind of take on board as opposed to think that it’s, it’s anything other than that really.
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I I share that thought. I think we’re gonna be okay. But I think that there has to be the possibility that we’re not going to be okay for us to appreciate that we’re gonna be okay. Correct.
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Yeah. Correct. It’s the yin and yang, it’s the balance thing again that
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The horrors of the world ai the beauty. Correct.
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Yeah. And I I think quite a few people are recognizing that too. I mean, there’s there’s obviously some horrible stuff going on right ai, but the at the other end of it, there’s also recognition that we we should take care of each other, and we should look after this place that we call home, you know.
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Yes. And I don’t mean in that soppy hippie way either. It’s like genuine, you know, concern and love and respect for where we are. Yes. And this is, we are so lucky. I mean, we’re so so lucky.
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02:36:39
You know, I think I think it was actually, Professor Brian Cox that just goes, this is insane that we’re here now. Yeah. They’re having this experience. Yeah. It’s try I meh, if you can, take that on board. Try to appreciate that and feel that wonder of, the fact that we exist in this ai.
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02:37:02
You know, if we do.
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Well, if Yeah. I think we do. Yeah. I I think well, at least in our experience, we do, you know, whatever this is. You know, there’s people that believe this is a simulation.
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02:37:15
Yes. I know that one.
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02:37:17
Also yeah. Boy, that’s a when when it’s explained to you by brilliant people
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02:37:22
Yeah.
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It it becomes hard to ignore the possibility that maybe they’re correct. Like, Elon is he said that the odds of us not being in a simulation
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02:37:32
Yes.
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Are in the billions.
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02:37:35
Yeah. Ouch. That hurts.
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02:37:37
But who you wouldn’t you think that though if you’re simultaneously running Tesla and a rocket company and fucking
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02:37:43
Yeah. I mean, he’s just Yeah.
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02:37:44
He seems like he’s in a simulation, you know. He and you’re also the richest man in the world, and you’re also the number one Diablo player in the world. Like, he’s in a simulation.
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02:37:52
Yeah. Well, he’s certainly thinking he’s you sana talk about a multiverse going on at the same ai. He’s already there. That’s for sure.
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02:38:01
Yeah. And if I was him, I would think that this is a simulation too. It’s just because he’s got a really good level of the simulation. Yeah. Ai, that level’s fun.
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02:38:10
Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
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Yeah. But it’s also it’s ai, what do you do with that information? Like, if you know like, in if you’ve decided this is a simulation, what are what are you experiencing? Are these experiences real? Or is it, it’s still real? So real feelings and real moments still do exist.
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02:38:32
So does it
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02:38:34
cheat Doesn’t it but does that change your purpose
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02:38:37
Right.
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02:38:37
Also?
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Does it? Does it change how you feel? Does it change the people you love? Does it change, you know?
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02:38:43
But Ai meh, he he certainly look at him and go, you sana to talk about being a go getter, making things happen? Yeah. He believes it’s possible. So he he does it. Yeah. And, you know, I I think that’s the same with a lot of people, obviously not to that extreme. But, you know, I think we do make our own fortune in ai.
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02:39:10
You know? Yeah.
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02:39:11
You
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in some weird way.
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02:39:13
I think we are responsible partly for our destiny, for our, our paths in life. It’s
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02:39:21
Do you believe in free will? It’s a tricky one. Right? Fuck. It’s a tricky one. Yeah. There’s something there that is free will. I believe in determinism as well.
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02:39:37
You have the you have choices.
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02:39:39
Yeah. You do have choices, but how much of your choices are shaped by your past, your biology, life experiences, genetics? You know, how much of it is you know, there’s that argument, like Sapolsky, makes the argument that that’s gonna be the one of the things that we look back on in the future as being one of the most preposterous concepts that people attach themselves to is the concept of free will.
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Right.
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And Sapolsky is ai, he’s fair pretty much a pure determinism ai, and I don’t know if that’s really true. I feel like it’s both. I feel like there’s there are decisions that you can make, and you make these decisions and change your ai, you can change the life of other people. Yeah.
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And you know that you can do it, and you’re doing it through will. There’s something about focusing your energy and your your desires and your your your life goal, your path to something. That’s a real thing.
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02:40:39
Yeah. And things happening vatsal particular ai. Mhmm.
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02:40:44
Ai think it’s very foolish to pretend that you know, whether it’s determinism or whether it’s free will. It’s I think it’s foolish. I think, also, there’s so many factors to take into consideration to dismiss any of them. Ai, to dismiss the concept of the simulation, I ai, is silly.
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But to dismiss the concept of the multiverse also equally silly.
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02:41:07
Mhmm.
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To
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dismiss to dismiss this idea that you have no free will. It’s ai I’m not sure because there’s something there’s something you know guides you in a particular direction that you don’t necessarily always go with. So what is that? Is that pure determinism? If, like, sometimes you make mistakes and you recognize you made those mistakes and you you recalibrate and re and then you get to that fork in the road again.
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02:41:32
You go, I ai this up before. This time Yeah. I’m not going to. This ai, I’m gonna move forward. Is that free will?
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02:41:38
Because it’s sort certainly seems like it to meh, And that’s not discounting the impact of determinism, which is all the events of your life and your biology
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02:41:47
and all of it. Shared. It
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02:41:49
It’s a lot of different stuff going on simultaneously.
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02:41:52
Yeah. Yeah. I I don’t think Sai don’t think you can say it’s one or the other.
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02:41:55
No. I don’t think so either. But people love to do that though. They sana put a stamp on something.
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02:42:00
Yeah. Well, pigeonholing.
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02:42:02
Yeah. They they just love to, like, I wanna put this in a narrow window of understanding and dismiss all the other things in the contrary.
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02:42:09
No. I Ai open mindedness is something that is a a a necessity in this strange weird world that we live in.
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02:42:18
It’s fun though. Right?
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02:42:19
Yeah. Oh, no. Absolutely. Absolutely. I I I Ai certainly have enjoyed the process, but it’s funny that what you’re saying, how you’re saying things, because it makes it’s Ai as you’re discussing this, I’m thinking about certain choices that I’ve made because of certain things that have happened and certain things in the past and Mhmm.
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02:42:39
And where I believe I should be in the future. Yeah. I mean, that’s, you know, ai, I find quite an interesting one that this whole, also concept of of, ai mind’s going blank. Not enough coffee today. That you’re what what do you call it when you’re putting it out there? I’m really brain dead right now. When you’re visualizing Mhmm.
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02:43:13
The future and the possibility Manifesting
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02:43:17
your
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02:43:17
manifesting your ram, studying shah. Yeah. Is there some truth to that? I mean, does it because that does seem to happen
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02:43:29
Yeah.
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To a degree. Just doesn’t always happen. No.
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Not at all. Ai think it’s a factor.
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02:43:36
Yeah. That’s a possibility. I agree with you on that. But there’s something definitely to that. Mhmm. I definitely think. Yeah. I I certainly feel that I can relate certain things happening to me because of manifesting or Yeah. The will to move things in a particular direction.
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02:43:56
You put your energy and your focus into something Yeah. And the thing becomes real. And you’re like, oh ai god. I’m I manifested this
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02:44:02
thing. How did that happen without that, you know?
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02:44:05
But it’s also work. Ai, this is all people get this bizarre thing that if you just manifest something that it’ll just occur.
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02:44:13
No. That’s never the case. There’s a No. There’s there’s a ton of energy behind it Yeah. That, It’s a weird process. That comes into that, for sure.
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02:44:22
Julian, I’ve really enjoyed talking to you.
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02:44:24
It’s a
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lot of fun.
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02:44:25
Thank you. Likewise. Ai at you.
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02:44:27
And I really enjoy your photography. Thank you.
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02:44:29
And the
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book is available, Life’s Fragile Moments. It’s an awesome coffee table ai. It’s
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02:44:37
Yeah. Collects Heavy. Photography.
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02:44:39
Let’s do this again sometime, man.
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02:44:40
Thank you. My absolute pleasure.
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My pleasure as well. Thank you very much. Alright.
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Thanks. Bye, everybody. Bye bye ai.
