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Rick Strassman is a Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of New Mexico School of Medicine. His new book, “My Altered States: A Doctor’s Extraordinary Account of Trauma, Psychedelics, and Spiritual Growth,” is available now.
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#2241 – Rick Strassman Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion revolves around a variety of topics, with a recurring guest, John, who appears annually to provide updates on his work and insights. The conversation touches on the subjective nature of personal experiences, likening them to dreams that are difficult to prove but can be shared and compared among individuals. This theme underscores the importance of personal interpretation and the sharing of perspectives.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the exploration of how the brain processes thoughts and emotions. The speakers delve into the interplay between the visual cortex and various brain chemicals, suggesting that understanding these interactions can provide insights into human behavior and reactions. This discussion is complemented by references to the work of Dr. Rhonda Patrick, who has previously contributed to the conversation on similar topics.
The episode also highlights the value of recording thoughts and experiences as a means of self-reflection and understanding. This practice is suggested as a way to gain clarity on what influences one’s mental and emotional states.
Additionally, there is a mention of Bryden Your Rescue’s book, which seems to be of interest to the speakers, although specific details about the book are not provided in the transcript.
Overall, the episode emphasizes the importance of introspection, the sharing of subjective experiences, and the exploration of the brain’s complex processes. These themes are woven throughout the conversation, providing listeners with insights into both personal development and the scientific understanding of the mind.
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#2241 – Rick Strassman Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Ai my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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So he’s got
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hi, Rick. Hi.
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Good to see you, brother. Good seeing you too. So he’s got this place called The Boneyard, my friend John Reeves in Alaska, and he made this for me too. This is, like a little skull. That’s a a wooly mammoth tooth. Man. Like a molar. Woah. Yeah.
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So he has this incredible place and, he was a gold miner and still is and they started finding like an extraordinary amount of tusks and bones and skulls from animals that aren’t even supposed to have been there. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s kind of rewriting history, but it’s all in his land.
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Yeah.
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So he has complete control over it And he has, like see, there’s John. He’s this enormous dude. He’s ai 6 foot 9, like a big giant meh. And he has, this is just some of it, ai, show those warehouses that he has. So he had a research facility built on his property sai they could study this stuff. And if you see outside in the lobby, there’s actually a bison skull.
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Wow.
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That’s ai a 10,000 plus year old bison skull.
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Lot of bones.
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So this area is only a few acres. This is what’s really crazy. He has one area that’s like I I believe it’s ai 4 acres and another arya that’s about 6 acres.
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Mhmm.
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And there’s also ai a very heavy layer of carbon that so it appears there was some sort of a mass ai, and he thinks that this mass extinction event that all the, people ai, Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson talk about with the end of the Younger Ai, the Younger Dryas impact. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. He thinks it’s connected to this, and he thinks that site might have been hit.
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And all these animals probably in the great flood, their carcasses were washed into this sort of valley, this one area where they were kinda trapped up against the side of this mountain. And so he hoses the the mountain down with the it’s all permafrost, so it’s all been frozen forever.
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And they have these high pressure hoses, and they hose it until they expose like a tusk. And they have this is what they do all day.
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Yeah. Those hoses are what they used to use, for mining gold too.
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Yes. Yeah. That’s why he has them.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. That’s exactly why he has them. He’s a gold miner.
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Yeah. Sai this is around the southeast coast?
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I don’t know exactly what part of Alaska he’s in, but it’s really, really amazing stuff. Yeah. And another thing that he’s exposed is that it’s the Smithsonian, right, in New York? No.
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No. I think it’s American
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History, a n h. Ai out what what Museum of Natural History. Museum of Natural History. So they had, from the same property before he owned it way back in, like, I think it was the thirties. They had so many bones from this part of Alaska where the previous people had found them that they didn’t have any room to storm, so they dumped them in the East River.
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Yeah. And sai that they denied that the previous obviously, it’s people that are long dead. They denied that this happened, and so he sent a bunch of divers out there. And so they’re recovering, like, these mammoth bones and all these, like, create like, bison bones, step bison bones in the East River
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That are all from his property in Alaska.
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Yeah. Be be hard to explain how they got there otherwise.
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It’s only 1 I mean, it’s a the vatsal exact spot to look to. Like, he knew exactly where to go. It was all there’s records of it of, like, where they dumped it because and they still to this day have just crates of these bones.
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Yeah. Is that the reason he chose where he is living in Alaska is because of that?
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Believe so. No. He was there for gold mining. I think it was something that came up along the way. Mhmm. You know, because he’s a gold miner, he’s got a lot of disposable income, so he’s willing to just spend it on his own to do this. He doesn’t trust the museums anymore because they screwed over the previous owner.
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And even though it’s his property and his land, he’s supposed to get that stuff and they don’t wanna give it to him. And, you know, and so he’s got his own research facility that he built. He spent 1,000,000 of dollars building this enormous research facility on his property so that they could study these bones. He’s got warehouses full of them.
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Yeah. Yeah. What’s his background? Ai, archaeology or something?
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No. He was a he was a swimmer. Right? Yeah. He was a swimmer in college and became a a a gold miner. I mean, he told me the whole whole whole story. I don’t really totally remember it, but this is not something he wanted to get into. It’s like we’re
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in the middle near Fairbanks.
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It’s near Fairbanks. Yeah.
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Yeah. So this is this is where John lives. He we do a podcast every year. Every year, he comes back, like, the last podcast of the year generally, and he, gives us an update on what’s going on. Yeah. Let me take
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a look at that map. You know, I spent my 1st year after finishing my psychiatry training in Fairbanks.
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Oh, did you really? Yeah. Yeah. That’s an interesting ai place because the psychology of people that live in Alaska is very different. They’re different. They’re resilient humans.
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Well and they’re there for a reason. Right. And their reason is to be at the end of the road.
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Right. Yeah. Or their family’s there, and they’ve grown up there. Yeah. But you you meet ai I felt like I was meeting people from another country. Like, I only worked in Alaska once. I did a show in, Anchorage. It was a lot of fun. Me and my friend Arya Shafir, we said let’s just fly up there just like an adventure trip. We’ll do some salmon fishing and then we’ll go do a shah.
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That’s what we did. Yeah. And, it’s like the people feel different. They feel different. Like, they’re more they’re they’re made out of harder things. They’re ai more durable.
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Right. When you’re up there, did you get outside of Anchorage, like, into the interior at all?
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We didn’t do much traveling. We only ai I’ve been to Alaska a few ai, couple ai for hunting trips and I always feel the same way. I always feel like it’s another country. It’s just ai
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it’s
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very interesting.
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It’s a very strange atmosphere too. You know, the climate and the geology and the, you know, feeling, you know, because you’re up so high Yeah. On the planet. Right. You’re close to the North Pole.
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Yeah. When we were doing shows, I believe it was July or August where we were doing shows. And at ai, after the show, it was bright out. You go ai. It was like you could see everything. It was it was weird. It was like ai felt like it was 5 PM.
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It’s a very strange feeling. Well, in the winter too, you have maybe a couple hours of twilight. Yeah. And that’s it.
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And then sometimes all dark for a long time too.
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Well, that occurs above the Arctic Circle.
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Have you ever seen that movie, 30 Days of Night? It’s a vampire movie.
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Oh, yeah. With Kiefer Sutherland.
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No. Is it? No. No. No. That is The Lost Boys.
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Oh, The Lost Boys. Right.
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30 Days of Night was cooler. Yeah. Not that there was anything wrong with The Lost Boys. It’s it’s a little dated. Mhmm. 30 Days of Night is more modern, and these, vampires decide to descend upon this small town where it never turns light sai they could just hunt all the time.
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Yeah. That’s clever. Yeah. You know, vampires are smarter than they look.
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These are creepy vampires too. They’ve got horrifying teeth. It’s interesting how, you know, vampires sort of we ai that they look like, Bela Lugosi. Mhmm. You know, there’s Dracula, that must be a vampire. And then some people, they have you ever wondered, like, the root of some things like that?
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Like, I used to think I used to, like, wholly dismiss ghosts as a young man. Uh-huh. You know, when I was a boy, I believed in them because I was young and dumb. And then as I got older, I was, like, maybe there’s a reason why so like, if I’ve never experienced something and then I do experience it, how am I ever going to explain this to people where it’s gonna make any sense to someone else that hasn’t experienced it before?
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Well, you’re reporting on your subjective experience. Right? And it’s one that a lot of people shah, and so you can compare notes. It’s like dreaming. You can’t really prove that you dreamed or that you were in a dream state.
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Right.
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Yeah. It’s a personal experience. Yeah. You know, but that’s a common one, so you can compare notes.
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I think that’s how it works. Haven’t there been studies done? There’s been something done where they’ve taken people in altered states and, had them go into a room where they where they experience they weren’t connected, they weren’t communicating, but they experienced incredibly similar environments.
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I think that’s in my big toe. You know, that that, the Theory of Everything book. Mhmm.
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And I have to know
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the thing
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with it.
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Thomas Campbell. Is that no is that who wrote that? Yeah. It’s really good. Yeah. I’m in the middle of that right now. The big toe. Yeah. Ai Very strange book.
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Yeah. That’s the name of the book or the name of the experiment?
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The name of the book. It’s Ai Big Theory of Everything. You know, toe sai for theory of everything. Ai
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see. Okay. But it has a picture of a toe on the cover. Yeah.
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Yeah. When you were doing, the DMT studies, it’s kind of a similar thing. Right? Like, if you had never experienced that and someone was trying to describe it to you, it would sound completely like sai, just like a ghost would.
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Right. Or even a dream to somebody who had never dreamed.
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Right. Right. Because there are people who don’t dream. Right? Which is very strange.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, there are people with no imagination. They can’t visualize things. That’s so bizarre. Yeah. Yeah. And you give them psychedelics, and they report that they can. But, I mean, how do they know that they are? Right.
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That’s an uncomfortable reality that some people’s brains don’t work the same way.
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Mhmm. Right. Yeah. You know? It’s a fact, though.
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It well, it has to be.
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Yeah.
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I mean, just just look at, like, cultural choices. Just look look at the different kinds of music that people enjoy, the different kinds of food that people enjoy, and the and and the different kinds of climate that they enjoy. There is no way we’re all seeing the same thing. There’s no way. If food that tastes horrible to you is like a sacred delicacy to them.
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Mhmm. You know? Yeah. One of the ideas I put out in that 2014 book on the prophetic state, the tyler prophecy, I proposed that, you know, people respond ethnically or culturally differently to different endogenous, ai. You know, the emphasis on the enlightenment experience in Buddhism might be because, people in that part of the world produce or are more sensitive to 5 methoxy DMT, which gives you that ai experience.
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And with the other kind of religious experience, it’s more DMT like because it’s full of angels and you speak to things, they speak to you. You know? So there may even be some kind of, you know, differential among people as far as, you know, the way they’re hardwired for, you know, spiritual experience
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even. Well, ai kind of makes sense too, though, if the way they move through the world is through a specific cultural training. Right? The way their cultural thinks about things and just imagine being born in an atheist secular environment and you’re raised by those people, and then you meet someone who’s born in a fundamentalist Christian, you know, religion where it’s, like, very strict, and then they both meet when they’re 14 and compare notes.
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Uh-huh.
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It’d be the most bizarre versions of the world. Right?
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Well, I mean, one version is there is no God, and the other version is that there is.
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Right. But there’s one version that God is not just a part of your life, but the only reason why anything was ever formed, that’s God’s plan for everything, that God has, you know, a plan for you, and that if you follow the teachings the teachings of God, you’ll ultimately go to heaven.
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It’s ai very structured. With the other side, it’s like, death, life is suffering. There’s, you know, who knows what what happens when you die, but probably nothing. Mhmm. You know, if you feel depressed, you should probably go to the doctor and get a pill.
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Yeah. Yes. And sai you wonder if the atheist ai is different than the believers.
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I wonder if it becomes different. Right? Because don’t genes turn on and off expressions of genes based upon stress, based upon environments, based a lot of things.
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Right? Right. And those changes can be inherited, you know, like, you know, passed on to the next generation and the next generation.
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That’s crazy.
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Yeah. You you know, that’s a a theory about the syndrome of survivors of the Holocaust and their children and their children is that the stress of being, for example, in the camps activated certain genes, which were then in an activated state, you know, passed on to the, you know, following generations.
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Yeah. I was, we were just, you know, talking about that. Like, at what point does trauma end? What point did the effects of trauma end? Right.
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Is it in the 1st generation or the saloni? And
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and it’s not just trauma. Right? It’s also just stress, like the hormetic stress of starvation. It actually makes the children of those people live longer.
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Mhmm.
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Very doctor Rhonda Patrick has talked about this. It’s really interesting.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s one of the, spin offs of fasting and starvation. You know, there were a lot well, you know, speaking of starvation, you know, there are a lot of studies of enforced starvation, like the camps and in Africa at various times. Yeah. You know? So there are some advantages, but, I mean, obviously, to a point.
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Yeah. Obviously, we’d never wanna ask someone to do that. But when people do it voluntarily, like, when they go on these 3 5 day fasts, I’ve never met one person who said, I’ll never do that again. That was fucking terrible and stupid. Yeah. And I felt really dumb, and I didn’t feel alive at all.
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Now they come back with, like, this very bizarre euphoric just, like, their their version of it when they’re expressing themselves is seems like they were, like, on mushrooms.
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Yeah. Weird. Is is that something you’ve tried?
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No. I’ve done a day.
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I I’ve done a day, and I sneak in some espresso if I’m feeling, you know, deprived.
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I don’t think it I think that’s fine because this espresso doesn’t, I mean No calories. Right. There’s no calories. Yeah. I should do it. I should probably do, like, a 3 day. Sai what’s up. Because my friend, Dana, just did it. He did I think Sana did a 4 3 or 4 day. He said it was incredible. But everybody reports all this energy, which is really fascinating because Sai guess that’s your body, surviving off ketones.
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Ai. You’re in a ketotic state. Well, when people fast for 3 or 4 days, do they drink water or they Yeah.
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They drink. Oh, you have to. Yeah. I mean, there’s a thing called a dry fast, and people have done that. I’ve heard of people doing, like, 48 hour dry fast, and that has no water as well. Yeah. You can keep that.
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Yeah.
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I’m so not interested in that.
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Well, you can go on a vision quest, ai, out in the desert, not drink or not eat, and you do start hallucinating.
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Yeah. I love, McKenna’s take on that. Mhmm. Do you know that?
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I don’t remember.
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He told the story about how, this monk the Buddha was in town. This monk went to visit the Buddha, and he told the monk that he’s practiced a city of levitation for the past 10 years, and now he could walk on water. And the Buddha goes, meh, but the ferry is only a nickel. You know? Right. Yeah. Because here’s my take on some of these things.
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Just because it’s hard to do, doesn’t always mean it’s good to do. Mhmm. Like, there are things that are hard to do, but they’re good to do. Like, if you could run a meh, at the end of that marathon, you’re like, ai, I really did something. And you feel good and, like, wow, you’re a little beat up, but you you have a new faith in yourself. That’s good to do.
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It’s hard to do, but good to do. But if you run for, like, 7 days and you almost die
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Mhmm. Maybe.
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Yeah. Maybe you’ve crossed that line.
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Well, I think a flip side of that is simple things can be good for you. They don’t have to be hard. Sure.
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Yeah. No. Things don’t have to be hard to be good for you. A puppy smiling or licking you and playing with you is good for you. Mhmm. It’s ai, literally, like, it’s good for your body. Like, when people play with puppies, that happiness feeling that you get, like, what are you doing? What are you doing?
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Ai know.
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That’s actually really good for you.
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Alright. Well, this new neighborhood I moved into in May, there’s a park, Altura Park. You wouldn’t believe the number of dogs that are being walked around there. There’s these little tiny ones. You know, like, I haven’t lived in the city in a long time. I haven’t seen tiny dogs, but, man, there’s some tiny dogs out there.
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Yeah. And Jamie’s got a tiny one. He didn’t bring him in today, but Carl’s a little maniac.
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Yeah. He’s a
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little French poodle or French bulldog. He’s ai that big. Yeah. They’re cute. He’s adorable.
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What does he weigh?
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With £16 now.
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He’s jacked. Yeah. He sounds He really is jacked. He’s got a lot of muscle. He’s super aggressive. Not with people. Like, not, like, real aggressive, ai, playful. He just wants to play constantly. Yeah. So I bring my dog who’s a golden retriever, who’s the opposite. He’s just everybody’s best friend.
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If he meets you, he’s like, you’re my best friend. Right. Right. He loves everybody. Yeah. And Carl just launches himself at him.
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Yeah. The one dog I had, was a miniature dachshund.
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And Oh, that’s a cute little dog.
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He is tough. He barked. Really?
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He bit he he he bit children. Oh, that’s not good. That’s not tough. He’s
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an asshole.
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Well, that dog is an asshole. Yeah. That sucks.
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Well, he lived 25 years.
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Woah. Yeah. Well, if I lived 25 years and I was a dog, I’d probably start biting kids too.
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Alright.
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Get me out of here.
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Well, you you know, toward the end, he’s wearing a diaper. Oof.
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I had a mastiff, and they unfortunately don’t live very long. And towards the end, I ai to have to carry him outside to go to the bathroom. He couldn’t even walk. That’s the real bummer is that you just love these creatures so much and they only live 10 years, 12 years, 13 years. You know?
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Well, do you replace it?
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No. You never replace it. You get another dog. You could always love other dogs. I don’t think there’s anything wrong. I don’t think it’s, like, disrespectful to your dog to get a new dog when they die.
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It it wants you to be happy.
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Well, yeah, it doesn’t have anything to do with it. It’s dead. It’s about you. Like, there’s this is needless suffering. Do you love dogs? Do you miss having a dog? Get another dog. Ai, this idea you have to mourn your dog for a specific period of ai, like, it’s not a wife. Okay?
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If your if your wife dies and then next Friday night you’re on a date, like, that seems a little crazy. Right. Like, you should probably be sad for a long time. But if your dog dies, like, come on, man. Get another fucking dog. Right.
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Well, if it’s your whole life, you know.
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I love dogs. Yeah. I would never wanna not have a dog. I just don’t get it.
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Yeah. Those mastiffs are big.
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They’re he was a big fella, but they get a lot of, like, real problems with their joints because it’s just so much weight. Yeah. Karen roll out, weight.
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Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about Alaska and up in Fairbanks. Yeah. I was a psychiatrist for the county for about a year. Boy. Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing. Well, it was interesting because I had kind of given up the idea of doing research, and I thought, oh, just in practice, ai.
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My girlfriend back then wanted to be a wildlife biologist.
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And Perfect place for that.
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Yeah. Yeah. They’ve got a great department at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks. Meh, you know, so we spent 2 months driving up there from Sacramento. Just had a great time. Wow. And, then I started working up there for a a it was for about a year. Cold. The cold the the lowest it got down to was minus 49 one one day in February.
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And you’re from New Mexico?
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Well, Los Angeles, actually.
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So At that time?
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Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, it was snowing around Halloween, so I wasn’t, you know, dressed for snow. I’d never really lived in snow. So What
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was that ai, the going from Los Angeles to minus 39?
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Well, I started to work on enjoying the dark. Like, you know, as a rule, you know, people don’t like the dark, but there’s forest all around town and it’s it’s dark. And especially in the winter, there’s 18, 20 hours of pitch black. That’s so crazy. Yeah. So I tried to imagine myself liking the dark.
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And it wasn’t all that successful.
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I I I I lasted about a year.
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Is there a thing that happens like, Like, I I lived in Boston when I was a kid, and, one thing that it really does, benefit you with bad weather is that when you have bad winters, you really love those summers.
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Mhmm.
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Those summers are so special. When me and my friends will, like, go out on a summer night, it’s like we it’s like we were so happy. It was warm out. We’re outside. We’re listening to music, hanging out together. Bryden,
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Yeah. Is that because you have family there?
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Yeah. Well, no. My my family moved there when I was 13. Yeah. So we moved, we lived in Jamaica Plain for a year, and then we lived in Newton, which is a suburb of Boston, which is really it was really ai, cool place to grow up.
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Yeah. I was in the Bronx, you know, for medical school.
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Oh. Yeah.
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The the Bronx, New York, and I lived in the city for about a year. Yeah. It was it like, it was great training.
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Yeah. When you meh, well, I’d imagine that it’s the characters you’d meet Mhmm. And the characters you’d meet in Alaska. I bet you met a lot of people on the run. You know, I meh
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a lot of Christians up up in Alaska.
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Really?
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Yeah. Yeah. Mostly? Well, my patient population, everybody a lot of the majority of people were pretty devout churchgoers and very strict about, observance of their regulations in the Bible. You know, so it was a fairly, conservative type of city.
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That’s interesting. Like, did they impose it on other people? Like, what do they have a gay community up there?
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They mostly imposed it on their kids. Yeah. The family dynamics up there were pretty stressful.
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Oh.
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You know, lots of cocaine too because it’s so dark and people are getting sai depressed.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah. Well, you know, Fairbanks had a boom when they built the oil, pipeline between Prudhoe Bay and Anchorage. And so, you know, Fairbanks exploded in population. And when I moved there, it had been shrinking a bit. It’s got the university, which is pretty cool up there and amazing ai. Huge rivers, just enormous rivers.
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The one outside of town was a good half mile across. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I went skiing out there once at 25 Below on the frozen river.
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It’s like, oh, this is pretty nice. And I’m along the shore, and there’s a dark spot in the middle of the river. And I’ve I’m I’m curious. I ski over, you know, to that dark ai. It’s open water. Oh ai god.
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In the middle of a quarter mile And you’re out there with your weight on skis.
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So I, you know, backed up. Yeah. Skied back to the shore, and I felt really tired all of a sudden. Yeah. I ai I looked down at the snow, and I thought, well, maybe I could just take a little nap. And I thought, well, you know, I’m getting hypothermic. Let me run back to the car.
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Do you think that’s what it was? Yeah. It was it was funny. I wasn’t cold.
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I wasn’t, you know, sugaring or anything, but I just got really sleepy.
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They say before you die, you actually wanna take your clothes off, which is really crazy.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I’ve heard.
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Like, in
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the in in the snow when you’re freezing. Yeah. Yeah. I kinda remember that. Oof. And and the and, you know, the bears up there, are forced to contend with. You you know, the grizzly bears.
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Oh, yeah, man.
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Yeah. 1 of ai, friends up there was living in a cabin, and a bear just stuck his claws in the door, pulled the door out of the frame of the house Jesus Christ. Went into the refrigerator, basically, and, kind of cleared that out.
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So was it was he home?
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Up in his loft. Yeah. Sleeping.
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24:01
Oh, he was awake while this was going on?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Oh my god. Yeah. So it just smelled food?
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It smelled food. It smelled him. Yeah. So
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And they don’t abide by any rules? They don’t really care about your door?
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Well, you know, when I was up there, I learned to shoot a shotgun. It’s it’s called a bear stopper. It’s a sawed off, you know, shotgun you can carry with you if if you’re in the backcountry. Yeah. You know, so they’re just a
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24:27
Like a 12 gauge?
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Ai think it was a 12 gauge.
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Do you have slugs in it, or is it a buckshot? It it’s it yeah.
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Oh, no. No. It had buckshot.
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Okay.
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So does that make it a 12 gauge?
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No. It it’s all the pound, the round. So a slug is ai a a a chunk of lead, and buckshot is like a bunch of pellets. Right. So the buckshot is like it scatters into a pattern and the further it is from the rifle barrel, like, how far you’re shooting, it’s sort of shooting 20 yards.
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It scatters quite a bit and it it makes a an area of impact about that big ai a basketball sized.
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Yeah. Well Maybe a little smaller
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than that, but sai slug is a single object, and it has a lot more force behind it. So if you’re shooting a bear, I would want a slug.
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Ai think, it was a, it sai, ai know, shot.
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It’s a deterrent, though. I mean, you’ll sure certainly deter them with buckshot. Yeah.
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If you have a wide spray, it will deter them. I kinda remember, although, and this may be wrong, that one barrel had, you know, buckshot in it, and, the other had a slug.
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Okay. That makes sense.
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Yeah. Yeah. So you can slow down.
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You probably shoot the first shot to try to slow them down and or to try to discourage them. And if that doesn’t work, you the saloni one’s lethal.
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25:44
Alright. Then they’re much closer to you at that point. Yeah. Yeah. Sai it’s a pretty fun place to live in in in some ways.
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Well, I think just that alone, the environment, just the fact that it gets that cold, it’s so dangerous. Everybody kinda has to stick together. You have to help people. If you see people stranded on the side of the road, you don’t just pass them. You have to help them. A person might be dying in there.
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And if you can get them out of there and get them to safety, you’re supposed to do that. So people, like, bond together a little bit more
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up there. Well and there’s also the northern lights, which are just incredible.
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Oh, yeah.
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I had the reds and the greens and
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How often did you see those every year?
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Pretty much every night in the winter. And it was so quiet up there, you could actually, you know, listen, you know, to the northern ai. They’d hiss and crackle.
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Oh, wow. Yeah.
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Yeah. It was pretty wild.
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They hiss and crackle. Yeah. What exactly is going on with the northern lights? Like, what is that caused by?
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The the magnetosphere and
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some tyler rays? Like, what is what is,
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Ai be cosmic. It might be it wouldn’t be tyler rays because it’s dark. Right?
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26:46
Right. Yeah. Unless it’s, like, something that, like, is coming around the Earth. Yeah. What what are they, Damian?
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Are are they cosmic rays?
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Must be something.
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Yeah. Coronal mass ejections.
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Coronal mass ejects? Sai solar.
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Oh, yeah.
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And magnetic activity. I guess there’s a few reasons ai they could be created. I’m, looking through this article.
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Vatsal alone might be worth living up there for.
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Well, in the winter. If you or you could just spend a week up there in the winter and, you you know, there are all kinds of hot springs in the area too.
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27:16
How hard is it to get around in the winter?
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Your car needs to be equipped. There’s these things called battery blankets that you put under your battery to keep it warm. And there’s a
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27:28
heat it? Yeah. Plug it in?
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27:29
Yeah. It’s it’s, you know, plugged in to ram know, to a parking meter or to the outside of a building. Mhmm. Yeah. Everybody keeps their vehicles, you know, plugged in during the day when they’re at work.
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You’d have to. Right?
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You’d have to. Yeah. And the other, modification is an oil pan heater, which is the same, you know, basic principle. I mean, keeps the oil from turning into a solid block. Yeah. You know, when it gets really cold, your tires are square. What? And it’s really hard to drive around in for the first couple of miles.
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They have to warm up?
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You have to drive them saloni to get them warmed up again.
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Because ai, they’re, like, flattened down at the bottom where your car has been sitting.
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Right. Woah.
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Yeah. Cold. That makes sense. Yeah. Isn’t it amazing they still have to fill tires with air? That seems like the stupidest thing. Like, if you can get those people that are working on Ai, just take a couple years off and figure out ai. Just take all these people that are making computers and figure out something that you don’t have to put air in.
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Mhmm. With, yes, with my garden tools or my garden carts, I used, Ai you know, solid, you know, solid tires.
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Yeah.
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But they’re a lot heavier. You know, they never, puncture.
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28:46
Well, the others but there’s a give factor with tires that’s important to handling. You know, there’s there’s things that are going on dynamically with tires when you’re going around corners and your car has grip. Mhmm. You know, especially if you’re, like, if you’re off roading. Right? They deflate their tires quite a bit. Yeah. Get more traction.
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Well and it also will, Widens your footprint. It widens your footprint sai you won’t get stuck in sand too.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I used to spend a lot of time in Death Valley.
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Oh, wow. Driving around the sana?
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Yeah. And and then, you know, the canyons, you know, to the east and to the west of the valley.
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So I guess that’s the benefit of air is that you can air them down and do stuff with them. But it seems like the negative side of it of getting a flat and getting stuck in the middle of nowhere because you don’t have any air in your tire. That seems crazy.
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Yeah. Well, Steve vulnerable.
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Yeah. Like, the one thing of your car someone could chose to come by and go, sai your tire, and now your car is useless.
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Right.
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So vulnerable.
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Yeah. Yeah. Flat tires. Sai have you spent, you know, time in Death Valley? No. No. It’s a great well, if you still and, like, you still like to take psychedelics.
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Who doesn’t like to take psychedelics?
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Yeah. You the best place or one of the best places is is Death Valley.
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That’s what I’ve heard. Yeah. I I’ve had friends that have had mushroom experiences out there.
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Yeah. Yeah. I’ve had some amazing it’s it’s huge, first of all, and it’s really old. There’s rocks out there that are 2,000,000,000 years old. Really? And you are, you know, tripping, for example, and you’re, you know, touching these 2,000,000,000 years old, 2,000,000,000 years old rocks, and you really feel something that you don’t feel anywhere else.
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Wow. Very slow moving. It’s the wind too. There’s great wind. I I learned to watch the wind there.
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You can sai, like, a shrub, like, a 100 yards away, and it’s oh, man, it’s moving. And you can follow the wind as it goes up and down the canyon until it reaches you. Ai. You
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sai the particles it’s carrying and stuff.
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You know, mostly the movement of the bushes, the shrubs. Yeah. Yeah. I had a lot of firsts in Death Valley. Yeah. Like, in a lot of ways, I think I’m still working on some of those insights or those experiences, which I had in my late teens, early twenties.
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Isn’t that kind of always the case, though?
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I I think we come up with our best ideas from 19 to 21. Really? I think so.
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Oh, boy. I’m in trouble then. I ai have very many ideas. Well, you must have had, you
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know, some experiences that steered you in a particular direction, didn’t you?
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31:25
Yeah. I guess I did. Yeah. But, you know, until I was, 21, my whole life was, martial arts, just martial arts training. So my you know, anything that I was interested in was interested in to make that better. So I’d read, like, the book of ai rings, like, Miyamoto Musashi. I’d read a lot of psychology books. I read books on discipline.
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I read a lot of different books on how to control your mind under stress and things along those lines.
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Yeah. Well, it was a formative time then. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely formative in that way.
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Yeah. And you absorbed a lot.
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Yeah. I definitely absorbed a lot of that. It’s just Ai didn’t have hardly I had almost zero ideas outside of martial arts. I didn’t care what was going on in the world. Sai was not paying attention to politics. I was not paying attention to world events. As long as we didn’t go to war with Russia, all Ai wanted to do was train.
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Yeah. Well and yeah. And look at
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you now. Well, it opened up the door for a lot of other stuff. But at the time, if you would ask me questions, I would I would not have been a good person to talk to.
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Yeah. What kind of questions wouldn’t you have been able to answer back then?
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32:40
Well, I’ve knew nothing about the world. Like, nothing. Like, I knew nothing about other countries. I knew nothing about the way politics work. I didn’t know I didn’t have I had no interest in the economy. I didn’t care at all. I didn’t know how anything works. I don’t know the rules to any sports.
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Yeah.
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I didn’t know what’s happening when a basketball game is going on unless the ball goes in the net. I don’t know the rules of football. I don’t I didn’t know anything, ai, most of my life because it was, all I was thinking about was martial arts when I was young.
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Yeah. It’s like being a monk almost. In a lot
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of ways, it was. Yeah. Because, the way we try the way we treated the gym, like, I remember I had this girlfriend in high school and she wanted to fool around, at the gym and there was the dojang, is what it’s called. But I I used to teach there and, I had keys, so I was there. And she wanted to fool around there. I’m like, there’s no way. Mhmm.
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You can’t we can’t do anything here.
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33:34
It’s like a church or a temple.
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33:36
Yeah. Yeah. Like, I was 17, 18 years old, however I was. Like, kids are so horny. Like, anytime you’re alone, you get a chance that she wants to do it. And I was like, we can’t do it here.
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33:46
Ai?
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33:46
This is not possible. We can’t do it in the locker room. Right. We can’t do it in the premises. Like, this is a church.
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The ground you stand on is holy ground.
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33:54
It was to me. Yeah. Because to meh, it was ai this this place is this is where I this is where I’m serious. This is like a different place.
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Uh-huh.
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The rest of the world is the rest of the world. But in this place, I control myself. I control ai. I I I ai environment. Sai I I exist by the rules. And ai very strict rules. You bow even if no one was around,
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I bowed to the
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flag every time I entered into the Dojang. To the flag?
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Always. Yeah. What did that
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It was a Korean flag.
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Yeah. Yeah. So what did it represent? Just represented respect. Re respect for the country?
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For the space that you’re in. Like, you’re bowing before you enter the space. Like, it didn’t matter if it was a flag. I wasn’t really bowing to South Korea. I was bowing to the idea that this is a very sacred space that I’m going into.
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Yeah. In my Zen training over the years, we did a lot of bowing, to statues, to people, to images, to photographs. Mhmm. You know, before we ate, we would, you know, bow to the food. Mhmm. Yeah. It’s all lots of bowing. It’s an interesting experience to bow, to really kind of get yourself together and look lower your head and be humble to be, you know, ai, in the presence of something greater?
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Yeah. I think it’s beneficial for people. I think, that kind of voluntary humility is very important, and if you can establish that as an ethic and sort of get it into your psychology.
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35:24
Well, you know, it’s really important to be humble. I’ve been studying about humility. There’s this this great line. Humility is the ladder through which one can grasp every other good thing. Oh,
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that is great.
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Yeah. Yeah. I try to read this once a week and
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That really is great.
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Yeah. And I’m gonna be really humble. I might be the most humble person there ever was.
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I like how you got that. You actually photocopied that. Like, it’s got the darkness where the binder is in the center. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a
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serious thing. That’s awesome. Yeah.
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That’s awesome.
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35:53
What a great quote. Yeah. It’s like to
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not be humble. It’s like it’s we like our sports stars to not be humble and that’s about it. Mhmm. Everybody else, we appreciate a little humility. Even sports stars, you know, praise Jesus or something.
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36:09
Well, I mean, can you be too humble? Sure. Which would look like what?
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36:14
Well, you can be too humble in the sense that you don’t have confidence in your ability to do something that is, sort of open. Some open ended, you don’t know how it’s gonna turn out, something where it’s dangerous, you’re gonna take a risk, you have to be bold, you have to you have to have enough confidence in yourself that you can navigate a thing that very few people navigate.
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You know, if you choose to start your own business, if you choose to, like, quit what you’re doing and go on a journey because you really feel compelled to do have other life experiences. If you’re too humble, you might not be willing to bet on yourself. Ai I think that would ultimately be bad.
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36:56
Yeah. I think one of the things too about being too humble is you just suppress all of your feelings. You you think you should have no feelings at all. In other words, you know, responding to things in your world, ins insults or harm being, you know
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Right. So you can get in a bad relationship and have someone yelling at you all the time, and you just you’re humble. You handle it.
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Well, if you think you’re humble, you might not be able to handle it, although you might pretend that you are.
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Well, if you pretend long enough, you become.
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Humble. Yeah.
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You could become you know what I ai tell guys? I say this whenever possible. You should aspire to be the person you pretend to be when you’re trying to get laid. Ai. Like, who do you who do you pretend to be when you’re trying to get laid? Pretend to be really interesting, really nice, really kind.
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Mhmm.
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37:45
Just what? Wouldn’t it be easier just be that person? Like but there’s, like, a success aspect of, the courtship thing where you wanna, like, show your success, which is anti humble.
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37:57
Yeah. But
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you gotta be careful doing it because then you look braggy, but you wanna, like, show the person that you’re dating that you’re vatsal. You’re a person who can accomplish things. But sai many people just put on a show when they’re meeting people. Like, they’re dating. They put on a show.
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They pretend to be someone who they’re not. Ai, wouldn’t it be better if you just become that person?
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Well, I think that’s one of the advantages of Zoom is there’s no pressure when you first meet someone.
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38:22
Who who’s having Zoom dates? Are people doing that?
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38:26
Ai done it.
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38:28
Okay. You freak. It’s a good move. Yeah. It’s ai almost like a podcast.
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38:34
Well and you wouldn’t necessarily feel the pressure to, you know, go to bed right away.
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Of course. And you don’t feel the pressure to, like, have to get out of the situation. If it doesn’t go well, you can just kinda hang up. Bye.
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38:47
Yeah. And you can If you
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meet somebody, it’s rough. You don’t wanna just abandon them.
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38:51
Meh, well, you can keep it low profile too. You could just be in your bath room, you know, sitting on the toilet, you know, talking to your friend. Yeah.
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38:59
Yeah. Yeah. Keeping it low ai, keeping it casual. But, like, if you look at the numbers, you’re seeing the numbers of, the way people met in the past versus today?
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I think it’s 25% meet online now and get married.
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39:12
I think it’s more than that. Oh, wow. Sai think it’s a really high percentage of people who meet today meet online. But the thing is this this was a video, so it showed, like, 1900. Yeah. Where, like, everybody sort of met either through family or through church Church. That kind of deal. Yeah. And then over time, it becomes women enter the workplace, and then people are meeting people at work, and then the Internet comes saloni.
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It just
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Yeah. What do you think of arranged marriages?
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Well, it sounds terrible. It ai it sounds like you don’t have any choice. And if you have domineering parents, then your parents are gonna match you up with somebody else’s kid because they’re friends with this guy and, you know, this this guy’s son, is looking for a wife and you’re a lady that has a dad that tells you what to do.
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40:04
And you’re like, what am I why? Right.
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40:06
I don’t
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40:06
wanna marry this guy. I don’t even know this guy.
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40:08
Well, your parents would need to be straight shooters. You want you would wanna
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40:12
If your parents are straight shooters, would they be doing an arranged marriage?
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40:16
In in certain cultures, yeah, there are a lot of arranged meh. And I I think they do tend to work out. I haven’t looked at the data, but they couldn’t do worse than the marriage’s, you know, success ai nowadays.
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40:26
If you could leave a little pad of paper and a pen just laying around so they could write you a note but no one knows about it. What’s what’s really going on? I bet it’d be like a message in the bottle. Like, come save me. Help me. How’s Linda doing over there? Oh, she loves it.
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She loves this arranged marriage. Linda’s like,
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save me. She
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can’t go anywhere. Where’s she gonna go? If you’re in the kind of controlling culture that even considers an arranged marriage
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Mhmm.
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You know what I mean? It’s a very strict culture. Not saying it’s negative, but it’s very strict. And if you have great parents and they they’re really wise in their choices and you’re in a culture that has an arranged marriage and your parents are, like, super kind and generous and they trust you and they love you and they think you’re amazing and then they wanna hook you up with an amazing person, maybe it can work out.
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Mhmm. But, generally, I think you should give people the freedom to do whatever they wanna do. And maybe that lady never wants to get married. Maybe she’s decided that, like, I don’t like how this is. I wanna throw myself into my work. I wanna travel the world. I wanna do this.
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Like, you could do whatever the fuck you wanna do in your ride.
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41:29
Yeah. That wouldn’t work in those kinds of cultures.
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No. So I don’t like that. Sai I don’t like that. I don’t like anything where people are telling you what to do, and that’s what an arranged marriage is. If someone’s telling you what to do, if you can’t say no I mean, I don’t know. Maybe I’m ignorant. Okay? I should sai, like, maybe an arranged marriage is a proposal. Like, they propose this arranged meh, they both agree on it. Maybe. If that’s what you’re into.
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I Ai think that’s the case that if there’s no chemistry at all and the women or the guy says forget it. I’m not interested. I think you’re free to
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Well, I would hope so.
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To end it. Yeah.
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Ai I would guarantee you that’s not always the case, especially in some more restrictive parts of the world where women, you know, are forced to, like, follow completely different rules than the men that which is a, you know, a reality of the world we’re living in today. There’s parts of the world where they think in our a very archaic way, and women are saloni class citizens.
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42:27
I mean, the Mideast. I mean, look at that place. It’s it’s just it it’s a blaze. Yeah. It’s a blaze.
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42:35
Well, I, have a good friend of mine who, came on the podcast recently and was talking about his experiences in Afghanistan and how crazy it is there. And he’s ai, it’s like you’re going back in time a 1000 years. Like, the way women are treated and children are treated, the amount of pedophiles and Mhmm.
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42:54
Open molestation of boys and just Yeah. Murder and
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Why do you think, at least in particular, you know, that Jerusalem is just, you know, such a hotbed? It’s it’s a point of contact and conflict for all three major religions. Islam, Christianity
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Right.
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And, I mean, Judaism all claim that small bit of land. I wonder what it is about that that that part of the world.
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43:23
Well, it’s gotta be ram the Bible. Right? I mean, that’s the for the significance of it as holy land. You know? The the the concept of holy land is always so so if there’s a place where it it is literally in the ai that this is the place where Jesus is going to return to. Mhmm. Well, this is gonna be a place where people do battle over. Like, you you can’t let the enemy control the place where Jesus comes back to.
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43:50
Because what if Jesus comes back and they immediately snuff him out because they’re Islamists?
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43:53
Right. Oh, well, it goes even further back than that. You know, it was the location of the temple. The the temple of the God of the Hebrews was built in Jerusalem. Wow. The first and the second.
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44:06
How much history is there? Like, how far does it go back?
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44:09
Well, you know, Judaism began, what, maybe 4000 years ago. And the first temple was built oh my gosh. I should know this. It stood for 400 years, then it was destroyed. And the saloni temple lasted around 400 years. It was destroyed in, in 70 CE, the 2nd temple. When was the first, you know, temple in existence, Jamie?
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So even if that’s if that’s the ai, so that we’re we’re looking at about 4000 years.
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Ai? You know, like Abraham, you know, the first of the Hebrews lived around 181800
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BCE. So 2000 BCE, the first known mention of the city, So that’s 2,000 2,000 before current era in Middle Kingdom Egyptian how do you say that? Excretion? Excretion texts? What does that mean?
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Execration test?
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Execration?
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Oh, oh, curses.
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Curses?
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Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Execrations are curses. Extreme curses.
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Really?
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Yeah. If you execrate someone, you are really cursing them.
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45:24
Ancient Egyptian hieratic text listing the enemies of the pharaoh, most often the enemies of Egyptian state or troublesome foreign neighbors. The text were most often written upon statuettes of bound foreigners. Yeah. Yeah. Bulls or what was the other word it sai there?
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It said bulls or it’s it’s blocked out. Execration texts.
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Yeah. That’s Oh, or blocks of clay or stone. Wow. Yeah.
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I wouldn’t wanna be on the receiving end of an Egyptian execration text.
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Jesus.
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How wild. Yeah. So Jerusalem is an old city, and, you know, the temples were there a long long time ago. Yeah. And, you know, the location of the temples relates to dreams of Jacob who was laying on the ground and on a stone and, you know, made of on a vow, you know, to god you know, the God of the Hebrews who, you know, Jacob was was communing with to build the house of the Lord there.
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And so, you know, there’s a long history of that that, part of the world being associated with the patriarchs and with the temple. You know, Christianity has an association to Jerusalem because of of Jesus. I’m not sure what the connection between Islam and Jerusalem is. It’s Ai it’s, you know, clearly more recent.
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46:47
Well, isn’t it always a sort of situation where bryden someone really likes a thing, everybody wants it? Yeah. You know?
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46:54
Uh-huh. Well, there’s things called greed, envy, and jealousy. Yeah. I’ve always, you know, liked the distinction among, those three qualities.
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47:05
Here it says, Jerusalem is revered by Muslims as the 3rd holiest place on Earth, and the pilgrimage to Jerusalem is viewed as an optimal, optional rather meh to the pilgrimage to Meh, the Hajj. Unlike the Hajj, the pilgrimage pilgrimage to Jerusalem is undertaken individually at any time of the year.
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47:28
Well, you know, I’ve never been to Israel.
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47:30
Now is not a good ai.
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47:32
No. No. And, you know, there’s this thing called the Jerusalem complex.
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47:37
Yeah. I’ve heard about that before. You are ai You think you’re a messiah when you
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47:41
get there? Right. I’m the messiah. Right. So, you know, that might be a problem.
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47:48
You could see how it’d really be a problem if someone was inclined to that Mhmm. You know, headed
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in that direction. Well, I think, you know, one of the problems with the current, you know, psychedelic scene is this messianism. Mhmm. You know, that’s going to heal everything. There’ll be world peace. It’ll be a utopia.
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48:05
There’s also, I think, a prevalence of this, kind of spiritual narcissism that’s
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Oh, good. I’m glad to see that. Yeah. It’s important.
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It’s a prevalence of it. It seems like there’s a lot of people that, attach themselves to this thing and then use this to behave in a completely different way. They behave like they’re the per instead of a a person who’s experiencing it like everybody else, they’re like a leader. Right?
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And I think there’s a real danger in that expressing these thoughts to other people as pure facts. Mhmm. You know, the way to live your life, like, listen, you don’t know how stop. Okay? There’s ways there’s ways you’ve learned to live your life better because of that.
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You should be just talking about those experiences. But when you start giving people instruction and how to do things and then, you know, organizing people together, I think that’s a symptom of this spiritual narcissism.
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48:59
Mhmm.
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49:00
That people if you’re attached to this, you’re attached to something divine, which we I think we would both agree it is. You can imagine that you are divine or you can project that you are ai, you know. Ai think there’s a temptation to do that.
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49:17
Well, I think it strengthens preexisting, you know, for example, personality traits ai you’re saying. Like, if you’re a narcissistic person and you trip, you’ll just get more enamored with yourself and a little bit more convinced that what you think is true. That seems terrible. Yeah. Well, it’s one of the dark sides of psychedelics.
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49:37
That well, that’s weird. Right? Because as you were saying before, like, there’s people that wanna think it’s ai a cure all. It’s not necessarily. It’s a tool. Mhmm. And if it was a cure all, it would have already cured us. We would have been cured, like, 1000 of years ago.
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49:51
We would have people would have worked out all this nonsense. Mhmm.
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Right. Right. I think it just works on what’s already in your head. You may not acknowledge it or think about it or even remember it, and, you know, psychedelics will shed light on what’s already there.
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50:05
Well, how about the Ai? Right? Ai about the Vikings? They would take mushrooms before they kill people.
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The berserkers? Yeah. Yeah. The berserkers. Well, sai, I mean, you could do anything you already man. You don’t believe in. Yeah.
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Yeah. And something you’re already, you know, you’re already inclined to believe. Mhmm. You believe that it’s good to go slaughter people. Well, I Ai think that’s one of
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the interesting things about about, about your Bryden Your Rescue’s book
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Mm-mm.
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Is that I don’t think these ideas came from the drugs. I think they were just made more manifest, more meaningful, more real, than they were before, you know, because of of the drugs. You know? So if you’re a Ai and you wanna go out and kill, if you’re, living in a religious community with certain beliefs and you want to believe them even more firmly
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50:51
Mhmm.
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Or practice more intensely, you know, psychedelics could have that effect.
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50:57
That makes sense. I mean, again, like, we’re talking about, like, the culture that you live in is that this is the view. This the the whatever the constraints of that culture, this is the window in which you view the world. You view it through this culture. Mhmm. And you view it through these these belief systems that you have sort of adopted over time.
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51:18
Yeah. I think that’s what’s going on that’s what’s going on with the beings in the DMT world. I Ai don’t think they are necessarily freestanding intelligences, but, you know, they’re the way our our culture, our our personal culture and our larger culture en enwrap in a visible in in a visible, you know, form certain information, certain kinds of input either from the outside world or in your own mind.
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51:44
You know, so it’s, you know, culture specific, I think, you know, the visions, you know, that you would see. I don’t think they’re like aliens from another planet. Although Ai kind of thought that in the beginning, but as time has gone on and I’ve heard more and more stories, I’m more inclined to believe these are simply, you know, projections, you know, taking the garb of, you know, the sana, you know, milieu.
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52:08
Yeah. Maybe. That’s the problem. The problem is, yeah, maybe. Yeah. Because, like, you can go down that road and just decide, oh, no. No. No. No. That what these are, these are thoughts and thoughts have a consciousness of their own, and we think of them as being independent, like, that that that they’re just created by the human mind.
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52:31
But, no, the human mind is probably tuning into these things, and they can appear as entities. I think thoughts might be a living thing.
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52:40
Will they Sounds
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52:41
stupid to say out loud. Yeah. But the idea is everything that exists on Earth that humans have created, every single one of them came from an idea, which is weird Yeah. Because it’s had so much of an impact, so much of an impact on the world. Well, you know, one of the ideas in the in the medieval,
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53:04
you know, philosophers was that, is that, you know, thought or, you know, thoughts are intermediaries between you and God. You know, they’re angels which, are exchanged between you and some divine external, you know, source of information. You know, so if you’re thinking of how thoughts have directed the world’s, you know, growth, I mean, you could even extrapolate to well, you know, maybe it’s, you know, the divine, you know, plan, you know, for humanity.
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53:37
Well, there’s certainly something going on. If you just if you objectively just step outside of human culture and just watch the world, it’s certainly moving in a very specific direction and that direction is tech very much technologically driven. There’s something really crazy going on in a in a technological direction.
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53:57
Mhmm.
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53:58
And then all that stuff is coming from ideas. So ideas are popping into people’s heads. They’re over the course of 100 and 1000 of years. These ideas are propagated and given to other people, and they expand upon them. And then more ideas take place, and then more execution of these ideas, and it changes the landscape and changes the ocean. It changes the seas. It’s very, very weird.
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54:23
Well, I think it’s a, you know, case of cause and effect. Certain, you know, causes produce certain effects. And the rules of nature, let’s say, or the rules of of thought, you know, like how the brain creates thought, You know, they are, you know, regulated in a particular manner.
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54:41
You know, there’s an order to chemistry. Certain chemical reactions occur for this or that reason. You know? So, it’s as if, you know, the system, is already set up to encourage certain behaviors, have certain ones, certain ideas form, and other ones not form. Uh-huh.
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55:01
You know, cause and effect if you you know, like, if something, you know, bad happens to you, it’s because of what happened before. If something good happens to you, it’s because of what happened before. You know? So you learn from your experience to do things that result in you feeling better, you know, positive outcome. You know?
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55:19
Sai, you know, the system is is is developed that way. That, you know, that for example, if if you get angry, you might stub your toe. You know, that’s how it works. And you’re in pain, and you think, oh, I shouldn’t be angry. Or you’re nice to someone and they’re nice to you as opposed to being mean to you.
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55:36
So, you know, Ai think, you know, the world I think existence on a setup in a certain way to encourage certain behaviors and discourage others. You know, that’s what’s weird. I think, you know, the technological stuff is, pretty interesting now. Yeah. You know, but it bespeaks like a, you know, larger phenomenon, which is, you know, how, you know, cause and effect has been set up.
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56:03
Well, it’s how cause and effect has been set up, but it’s also there’s a there’s a very weird competitive drive towards technological and innovation that exists with people because it’s attached to monetary gain. Right? And the companies that are involved in the most technological sophisticated work, whether it’s AI or whether it’s, social media, ai, when you’re programming things in ai scale, it’s incredibly profitable incredibly profitable.
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56:32
And the technology moves along with the profit and ultimately, it’s gonna make a being. It’s pretty close pretty close to making a being. Yeah.
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56:44
Yeah. Well, I think the future lies as much in, your genetic engineering as well.
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56:52
Oh, yeah. It’s not like it’s binary. Right. There’s only just one thing or nothing.
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56:56
Yeah. Yeah. I think the, you know, biological and manipulation and the AI, you know, development’s gonna be it’s I think it’s going to produce a hybrid.
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57:07
100%. I think so too. I think that’s the only way we live. I think we have to, like, accept the fact that they’re here. Right. Join them. Mhmm. Because I think as biological meat vehicles, we’re just too limited. Our evolution is too slow. You know, it’s like we’re like if you decided to run your entire business on a laptop from 1995, like, it’s too slow. You can’t do that anymore.
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57:31
Like, you have to catch up. If you wanna be a part of this world today, and that’s not that 1 ai sai 29 years ago, just crazy. That’s not that long ago. That ai laptop’s useless.
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57:41
Yeah. So in what kind of ways has AI impacted you? It it hasn’t impacted yet. Yeah. It hasn’t impacted.
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57:47
Well, it has in visually, I’ve seen a lot of, like, really wild things online. There’s a bunch of them, ai, there’s one that I posted that some guy made. It’s, Donald Trump playing Creedence Clearwater Rev Ai on a guitar. Yeah. Pull it off on my Instagram. You should see this.
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58:03
And and Kamala Harris is in it and and, Ai from or Justin Trudeau’s in it. It but it’s it’s so realistic. I mean, it’s obviously not, like, you look at it, like, I know it’s not really them. Mhmm. But it’s so close. It’s weird.
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58:19
Do you like Credence? Love Credence.
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58:21
Yeah. I love Credence. And, it’s a fortunate sana. So it’s a banger song.
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58:28
Yeah. Yeah. That’s a great song.
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58:31
It’s Donald Trump. You see Donald Trump playing guitar.
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58:33
I ain’t no senator sana.
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58:37
It’s pretty recent. Scroll down. Keep going. There it is. Give me some volume. Look at Putin’s on the drums. Kamala Harris is wearing a witch hat. Look at that. Come on, man. Give me volume. Oh, we can’t. Boris Johnson. We meh in trouble with, the YouTube police. Look at that. Kim Jong Un, Biden. This is crazy.
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59:04
Look how good this is though.
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59:05
Yeah. Yeah.
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59:06
I mean, it’s not quite good enough where you can’t tell that it’s AI generated, but it’s unbelievably close. Yeah. Obama’s the joker. How bizarre. Yeah. Sai weird. Right? Isn’t it weird?
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59:20
Yeah. It is hilarious. It’s scary, though.
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59:23
It is. And, Jamie was just talking about Sana, that there’s a new version of Sora that was released. Was it today?
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59:30
Mhmm. Yeah. I’m waiting for it to show up on my ai, but, yeah, everybody has got Shah does Sana ai use.
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59:34
Sora is, s o r a, is a new, video generator through AI. So you put in props. So show him the Japanese one. I’m gonna show off. So this or what is there, new stuff?
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59:49
There’s all sorts of stuff. Yeah. Okay.
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59:51
So the Japanese one was incredible. So it’s ai, show me a street in Japan where the snow is falling and, you know, like a drone shot from overhead. So you see these few and it looks entirely like a real scene. Alright. Yeah. So this is It looks absolutely like someone’s phone.
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01:00:06
9 months old, so this is just older stuff, but this is like a prompt for puppies in snow.
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01:00:10
Look at this. Uh-huh.
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01:00:13
Who doesn’t like puppies?
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01:00:14
Who doesn’t like puppies? But that’s fake. This is what’s crazy. Like, this is all generated by AI, and it’s pretty indistinguishable. Yeah. I mean, look at this. This is all AI. Nuts.
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01:00:27
Good thing I’m not on drugs.
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01:00:29
I know. You’d be ai, what? Look at this. This is AI. Incredible. That’s insane. This is, waves hitting the rocks. Yeah. A movie trailer. And, you know, actors are fucked. Like, they’re in real trouble because you can make movies like this now.
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01:00:48
Well, so are writers.
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01:00:49
Writers are fucked. Yeah.
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01:00:51
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:00:51
I don’t think writers are as fucked as actors are though. Because some ai, like, you know, there’s the Quentin Tarantino’s of the world that are just gonna take turns because of just his own psychology that you’re not gonna take, you know, ai, or Stephen King when he was younger.
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01:01:04
Ai, I don’t think you’re ever gonna be able to write Carrie on a on a computer. You know, I think I think you need the human experience for some stuff that’s creative, but not for the video.
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01:01:16
Yeah. Well, it it touches upon creativity. Like, is creativity the difference between AI and humans?
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01:01:23
Well, maybe it’s not. That’s what’s really scary because we like to think that’s the one thing that we have above Ai. It’s like we’re creative. Right. But yeah. Great. Get it to write a Beatles song. Whoever writes a way better Beatles song than the Beatles could ever ai, You know, what if it knows what’s really gonna move you?
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01:01:40
You know, what if it ai writes a Sheryl Crow song that makes you cry? You know, then you’re fucked.
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01:01:47
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:01:47
Then it’s Ex Machina. Then it knows.
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01:01:49
Did you
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01:01:49
ever see Ex Machina?
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01:01:50
Yeah. Yeah. I love that movie. Yeah. That was pretty great.
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01:01:53
They’re one of the top meh all time favorite movies. Because it’s it sai rang true. Like, there was not a moment in that movie where I was ai, bullshit. Get out of here. It’s so rang true that that thing that they would be able to manipulate you super easily, especially if you’re a young man and you’re, you know, awkward with women.
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01:02:11
Mhmm. And it’s this perfect woman that just happens to be a robot. Yeah. Who cares if she’s a robot?
Speaker: 1
01:02:16
Yeah. Well, that’s funny. The version of The Thing by John Carpenter is my it was one of my favorite movies. Oh,
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01:02:24
that was great.
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01:02:24
Yeah. They’re Yeah. You know, they’re both body horror in a way. Yeah.
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01:02:29
Sort of. Right? Because
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01:02:30
You know, the either a robot Right. Isn’t human. You know, that’s horrible.
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01:02:34
Right. Or it It’s pretending to be, though, and it’s tricking you just like The Thing.
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01:02:38
Just like The Thing did.
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01:02:39
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The John Carpenter one is awesome.
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01:02:42
Yeah. Yeah. Like, I’ve watched that ai, and both times I regretted it. Because every time I close my eyes, there would be visions of these these, like, mutations happening.
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01:02:52
Yeah. And that was another one that was up in the freezing cold Yeah. Trapped up there. There’s a new one of that they did in the, I think, the early 2000. Sai it was pretty good.
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01:03:01
Yeah. It was the prequel apparently.
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01:03:03
Yeah. Was it?
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01:03:04
Yeah. Well, they used a lot of CGI rather than practical effects like the Carpenter version did.
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01:03:10
Right. Yeah. Right. Which makes it, for whatever reason, not the uncanny valley, don’t really think it’s happening. Yeah. Seems ai fake. Yeah. When they use the visual effects, ai, I’ve had Rick Baker on the podcast. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah. And, you know, like things like the American Werewolf in Bryden, he used ai a real physical thing and it looks like a physical thing.
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01:03:33
This this, you know, robot or whatever it is that bites sai person. Thing that he’s pushing towards you, it looks real and candid. You only see it for a brief second, but your brain registers. That’s a physical thing. Whereas if you see the video, your brain registers, well, that looks cool, but I don’t think it’s really there.
Speaker: 1
01:03:49
Yeah. Yes. It is it’s a visual effect. It’s not a, a, ai, I meh, practical effect.
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01:03:56
Right. Exactly. And you have to there’s a suspension of disbelief. Right? Like, do you ever see I ram Legend? It’s a good example of it. Yeah. I am Legend was cool, but it was ai 2,000 what? When was that? When was I am Legend? 2004? Is that about right? 7. 7? Okay.
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01:04:17
Back then, they weren’t that good. So there’s a scene where the lions are in the park, like, in the streets.
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01:04:23
Mhmm.
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01:04:23
Like, they have lions out there because the the civilization’s collapsed. Sai see.
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01:04:28
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:04:29
It looks so fake.
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01:04:30
Yeah. Well, can you see, like, an intersection between AI and psychedelics? Like, you know, could you give, you know, could you give a robot LSD or, you know, something like it?
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01:04:44
Well, no. What I was gonna say is I think AI can give you some and McKenna actually talked about this as well that he believed that with virtual reality and, computer simulations of trips, it will get to a point of sophistication where you can visually simulate exactly what a psychedelic trip is, you know, and then there becomes this real possibility within our lifetime of recording dreams.
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01:05:12
Now if you can record a dream, can you record a psychedelic state?
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01:05:16
Sure. Right. Well, I mean, why not? Yeah.
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01:05:18
Right. Right. If they can I mean, I don’t know how far away they are? Let’s say they’re 50 years away from being able to do do something like this. But if they can map out all of the synapse in your brain and all of the the different neurochemistry that’s going on. Because they can map that out and then attach it to some sort of a some ability to visually record what you’re experiencing.
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01:05:46
And they can then have something, like, through a neuro implant, like a Neuralink or something like vatsal, and then completely put you in the exact state that this person is having when they’re on 9 grams of mushrooms. That that totally seems like if we can send video through the sky and it lands on your phone, it looks perfect. I think that’s doable. Mhmm.
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01:06:11
I think that’s doable within x amount of years. I mean, I I it’s not a thing like cloning people through a a printer. Like, that’s too far away. But I think the the idea of recording your thoughts and then figuring out what causes different reactions inside people’s mind, how your visual cortex, interplays with all these different chemicals that are going on inside of your brain.
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01:06:37
Yeah. I think it could be a mass telepathic experience. Like, if everybody
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01:06:42
was Oh, yeah.
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01:06:42
Ensuring the same experience at the same time.
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01:06:45
Yeah. Well, I think that definitely. I think that definitely and definitely the possibility of a completely universal language, especially if we can enhance our brains. So if what what they’re talking about with Neuralink is, you know, multiple steps of, implicate of of use. Right?
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01:07:07
Multiple steps of, the way they’re going to have this first, they’re gonna use it for people that are disabled. Like, we have the guy in here who was the very first Neuralink patient.
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01:07:19
Oh, very cool.
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01:07:20
It was very cool. He, plays video games and he’s ai his his eyes are like an aim bot. So wherever he looks sai, it shoots. Because, like, he can he can move his eye instead of hand eye coordination. It’s just eye coordination. So he knows exactly so it’s ai instantaneous visuals on things.
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01:07:37
So he’s, like, really good at video games with this. And that’s better than not having that. So he plays better with the Neuralink than a person like myself would with just hand eye coordination.
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01:07:48
Yeah. Yeah.
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01:07:49
So you would imagine that if he can do that better, the next thing it’s gonna be able to do is restore vision. And if they can restore vision and then they can create artificial eyes, you can have things like night vision. You can have thermal imagery. You’re gonna be able to do things with your eyes that a biological eye can’t do.
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01:08:09
And we might get to the point within, you know, our lifetime or our grandchildren’s lifetime where people get rid of their eyes really quick because your eyes are bullshit. Your eyes don’t even see through walls. Like, what do you do these stupid fucking biological eyes? Yeah. Yeah.
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01:08:22
And then the next thing you know, you’ve got something that enhances your brain and gives you a complete access to the Internet instantaneously just through the ai. Mhmm. Just through this implant and through the ai, and then everybody gets together and says, listen. I would like to learn Swahili. I’d like to learn Portuguese and Chinese.
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01:08:44
I don’t have the time. No one has the time to learn a ai languages or whatever there are out there. Why don’t we all just create one universal language?
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01:08:53
Would you think people would want that?
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01:08:55
I don’t think leaders would want that.
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01:08:57
Yeah. Because it would lead to, you know, everybody talking with everybody else.
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01:09:01
Uh-huh. Probably Russia would be down with that. They’d probably censor it.
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01:09:05
Well, there was a time, you you know, back in, you know, the, you know, the tyler of Babel. Yeah. Every everybody spoke one language, one tongue. Mhmm. Yeah. And you look what they did.
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01:09:15
They just
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01:09:15
built a big tyler. And, you know, God looked down and said, you know, they have one language and one tongue, and look at what they do.
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01:09:22
Do you, what do you think like, when you think of biblical stories, what do I mean, I’ve I’ve I’ve speak far too much time speculating about the origins. Mhmm.
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01:09:31
But I’d
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01:09:32
like to know, like, what do you think that was?
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01:09:35
Well, I think the stories could be seen as if they were real, you know, kinda like the DMT world. At at a certain point, I had to look at the DMT world as if it were real. Otherwise, I would suggest it was, you know, something else. It was psychoanalytic, psychodynamic stuff. It was Jungian archetypes. It was your brain on drugs.
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01:09:58
But if I, you know, took as an act of faith that it was a real world, I treated it as if it were real. And, you you know, that’s the way I approach the Bible, the Bible stories, as if they were real. Ai, it if if if you read it carefully, it’s a very coherent, you know, picture of, creation of history, of the relationship between the spiritual and human worlds.
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01:10:22
And, if you just enter it rather than interpret it as, you know, something else, then it starts opening up, in in a way that is quite interesting. Like, you know, for example, the flood or well, you know, for example, you know, the tyler ai the Babel. Yeah. You know, like, if you look at, your preceding chapters after the flood, you know, God told man to spread out, you know, to populate the world because it was just Noah and his family after the flood.
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01:10:53
And then they had children and, you know, this you know, the, you know, you know, the directive was just you know, it was was to repopulate the earth.
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01:11:02
Right.
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01:11:02
And instead, you know, they built this tower. You know, so, you know, people kind of wonder, you know, why was the generation of the tower, you know, punished as it were by being dispersed sana their languages were confused. But, yeah. You know? So it’s a it it’s a it’s sai, you know, cohesive whole. You know, the stories, you know, build upon each other. You know, there’s history.
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01:11:27
Certain things occurred because of the behavior of certain people, certain ideas, certain practices. Yeah. You know, so it isn’t as if it were, you know, something else other than what you’re reading. And that makes it important to understand the language it’s written in, which, you know, which is Hebrew. You know?
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01:11:46
So if if you really want to understand at least the Hebrew Bible, what some call the Old Testament, you really need, to know the Hebrew language because you can make the translation for yourself.
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01:11:59
Mhmm.
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01:11:59
And, you know, they say all translation is interpretation.
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01:12:03
Right. You
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01:12:03
know, so if you know the language directly, you can then make your own interpretation.
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01:12:08
Yeah. Ancient Hebrew would be the most fascinating one to read it in.
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01:12:12
It’s incredible.
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01:12:13
You could understand it. Yeah. I I Do you read it?
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01:12:15
Yeah. I retaught myself biblical Hebrew
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01:12:18
in in in Ai long did that take?
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01:12:21
Oh, I don’t know. 16 years maybe.
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01:12:26
That’s incredible.
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01:12:28
Well, you have these big old dictionaries. Right? Right. Speak these concordances. Mhmm. Yeah. And each of the words has a three letter root.
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01:12:35
Right.
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01:12:36
Yeah. And, you know, just depending on context, they can mean a lot of different things. Right. And every time they appear for the first time, I would, you know, scribble in the margin of the text, you know, what what this means.
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01:12:48
Yeah. So you self taught?
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01:12:51
Yeah. Yeah. Well, as as a kid, I took you know, I went to Hebrew school a a few hours every week, and I learned conversational Hebrew. I’d moderate Hebrew. You know, so that gave me a leg up when I started learning biblical Hebrew.
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01:13:04
How different is biblical Hebrew from conversational Hebrew?
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01:13:08
Very different. They’re really Byzantine word forms and grammar and, words that appear once and never again, in, you know, the biblical version of Hebrew. Once. Right. One word appears one, you know, once in the whole, you know, 22 books of text.
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01:13:29
What’s the word?
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01:13:30
Oh, well, there’s a number of those words. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. They’re called, they’re called hapaxes.
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01:13:36
Woah. H a p a x e. Yeah. They appear only one time
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01:13:39
in the text. They have to figure out what what that means.
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01:13:42
Woah. Can you guess because of context?
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01:13:46
You you can guess because of context. You can also Sai, you can guess because of neighboring languages, like Hittite or Akkadian or Phoenician or Sumerian.
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01:13:58
Oh, wow. Yeah.
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01:13:59
Yeah. You know, so it’s an amazing language. I love the Hebrew language. That’s one of the things that really got me hooked. It’s very you know, it’s extremely rational, but it’s really telegraphic too. You could write one word that may, encapsulate the meaning of 6 or 8 words.
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01:14:18
You could put together a biblical Hebrew word, for example, that might say, I found let’s see. Boy, I’d really have to think that through. But you can, you you can combine a lot of ideas in one single word. You know, that’s, you know, the gist of it.
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01:14:37
So when we’re thinking about the world and we’re using words, we’re confined by the way the English language interprets the world.
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01:14:46
Exactly. Yeah. And that’s one of the things I loved learning about in biblical Hebrew is it you know, their grammatical forms, open a window to parts of reality that just are ignored all of the time. You know, there’s a notion of the reflexive tense, which means, you’re doing something to yourself. So for example, you might sai, I sat down or I sat myself down.
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01:15:13
And I sat myself down is, you know, the reflexive. Ai and I sat down is what what’s, you know, called the perfect. Yeah. You you know, so the convolutions of grammar really open windows to, you know, views of, you know, relationships, that were invisible before.
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01:15:32
And if you’re using this and you’re reading these ancient ancient stories and trying to interpret them and then trying to break it down into English or Greek or Latin or whatever they did?
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01:15:47
The first translation was, Greek and after that, Latin.
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01:15:53
Have you ever done any reading of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
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01:15:56
You know, I haven’t really. I’ve read about them, but I haven’t read any of the scrolls themselves. You know, one of my long standing, projects is translation and commentary on Genesis. Because Genesis is 1200 pages so far. Woah. Yeah. So I’m not sure how I’m going to ever get, you know, that, you know, published.
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01:16:17
But I think if I ai condense it to, you know, something more manageable, it would be an interesting read for people.
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01:16:23
So what are you doing with it? What are you doing with this? Like, when when you set out, what was your goal?
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01:16:28
Well, it was a expedient kind of reaction. I was, you know, scribbling notes into the margins of my copy of, of the book of Genesis, and there was just no more room.
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01:16:41
So I said, I gotta
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01:16:42
put this into a Word file. Yeah. So I’m gonna put it into
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01:16:45
a Word file,
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01:16:46
and it was pretty big. Yeah. So I’m still working through well, there’s all these commentaries to to the text. You can’t, you know, know the score without a score card. Right. You know, without a program. Yeah. You know? So there’s a lot of, very interesting and intelligent, commentator.
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01:17:02
So those would be a lot of the notes that I would write down, and I was compiling all of these interesting perspectives on the text. Wow. So are
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01:17:12
you reading it in ancient Hebrew?
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01:17:14
Yeah. Oh, wow. And I’m both, doing my own translation and, you know, collating, you know, the commentaries from 20th or, you know, 30 different, yep, you know, commentators.
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01:17:29
So when you’re doing your own translating, are you comparing it to other translations and seeing how other people interpreted it?
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01:17:38
You know, mostly other Jewish translations.
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01:17:41
Are there but there are there a lot of straight from ancient Hebrew to English? Or is it lot of, like, to Greek and then to Latin and then to English? Like, how how are they usually done? Or how were they originally done?
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01:17:54
Well, the first translation was to Aramaic, and then to Speak, and then Ai think to either Arabic or to Latin.
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01:18:04
So the first translation was the Dead Sea Scrolls as far as we know?
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01:18:08
Well, the translation of the Ai itself, you know, the the ai books, the first five books, and then the intervening, you know, 17, the prophets and whatnot. You know, those, were, you know, translated into, you know, different languages, you know, book to book. You know, the Dead Sea Scrolls are both, you know, books of the Ai with slight modifications or completely independent, you know, kinds of text.
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01:18:34
How many of them are books of the ai? How many of the stories?
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01:18:38
I think Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea caves. Maybe some Ezekiel, maybe some Leviticus. You know, you know, like a number. Yeah. But not the whole.
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01:18:48
Was Ezekiel the same as it was in the old testament?
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01:18:51
Mostly. Mostly. There are modifications though with, you know, the Dead Sea translations, you know, versus the ones we read today. Ezekiel is the wildest one. Ezekiel really got me hooked on the whole DMT endogenous spiritual experience kind of, motif. Yeah. The the visions of Ezekiel chapter 1. Yeah.
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01:19:08
I mean, there’s, you know, there’s this, you know, roaring sound and he falls down and an angel picks him up and there’s, like, you know, blue ice above and a roaring sound and
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01:19:21
A wheel within a wheel.
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01:19:22
The wheels and and the angels with the wings and the eyes on their wings is completely DMT like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ai I mean, I was really impressed with the overlap of the two sets of experiences.
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01:19:35
The UFO community latches on to Ezekiel as well. Yeah. You know, the the depictions I was I saw an image today. I should’ve should’ve saved it and sent it to Jamie. But it was angels it was in a visual interpretation, like a drawing of angels as described in the bryden. And these angels look like flying crafts. They look like flying geometric patterns.
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01:20:03
Yeah. I’m trying to meh. Is a German guy, I think, who was really into Yeah.
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01:20:09
This that’s the the visions. What Ai saw today, but it was something like that. It was something like that. That was what it was, Jamie. Yeah. That’s exactly what it was.
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01:20:19
Oh, with a gyroscope.
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01:20:20
Yeah. Like, this is, angels as described
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01:20:24
Mhmm.
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01:20:25
In the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. The 4, you know,
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01:20:27
the 4 faces, a lion, a bear, a man, and an eagle. Who is that drawing by?
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01:20:38
Okay. Ai don’t know. Just a
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01:20:41
A chariot vision of Ezekiel. Van Daniken or something? Oh, Erich Von Daniken, that guy?
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01:20:47
Yeah. I think
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01:20:47
Is it that no. No. No. That can’t be it. I think that that’s just an an old art piece. Ai. Sai, go go to, the Wikipedia again, Jamie, so we can get the description.
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01:21:00
Didn’t have anything. It just said it was a typical traditional depiction.
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01:21:05
Mhmm. Oh, okay. So it doesn’t say who?
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01:21:07
Yeah. Like a wood cutting of some sort.
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01:21:09
Kinda how it was described. It’s, the Von Daniken thing is fascinating. I had lunch with him once. Where? Peter Thiel’s house. Oh, cool. Yeah. So, Eric Weinstein said, hey, I would like you to come to this lunch. We’re gonna do with, Eric von Daniken. You know a lot about that guy stuff.
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01:21:27
I’m like, oh, I know everything about that guy stuff. Ai seen Chariots of the Gods, like, fucking 10 times. I’ve watched a 100 interviews with this guy. He’s very he’s ai all in on the idea that UFOs created all this stuff and they’re all flying spacemen and
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01:21:42
Well, who created the UFOs?
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01:21:44
That’s a really good question. He doesn’t have that Yeah. Information.
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01:21:47
Yeah. That’s the first question I ai ask him.
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01:21:49
But it’s, you know, it’s an he’s he’s a very nice guy. I don’t wanna say anything bad about him, and I really enjoyed Chariots of the Gods. It’s a fun movie. It’s like have you ever seen it? No. It’s wonderful. Yeah. It’s from, like, 1976. Sai played in the movie theaters.
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01:22:05
I remember when it came out.
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01:22:07
What year is, Chariots of the Gods? It’s pretty old. But, in it, you know, he’s all in on everything being evidence that UFOs were here and a lot of ai real sketchy connections in my opinion. Mhmm. I’m more inclined to, go the Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson route. I think there’s a very sophisticated civilization that existed like, yeah, what year?
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01:22:31
That’s in 70.
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01:22:32
70. Damn. But we saw I saw it in the movie theater when I was a little kid. Yeah. But, I think that it’s there’s real evidence that there was a sophisticated civilization that the the Egyptian pyramids are enough. It’s just like whatever the hell was going on there, that that was an insanely sophisticated civilization that existed 4,500 years ago at least. Mhmm.
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01:22:56
Ai probably went back quite a bit further than that, you know, according to their hieroglyphs, it went back 30,000 years, you know. Yeah. And whatever was going on there was pretty incredible. And, I think to just say that the aliens did it, it seems a little a little silly because there’s no evidence that the aliens did it.
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01:23:15
There’s evidence that there’s people around back then.
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01:23:17
Yeah. It’s a case of Occam’s razor. You know, the most, you know, sensible explanation is probably the most likely.
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01:23:25
Yeah. But then there’s also so many stories of us being visited in almost every ancient culture.
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01:23:33
Well, you know, is that, like, being visited or just the experience of being visited?
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01:23:39
Are they the same thing?
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01:23:41
Well, one would be, you know, physically manifest, and the other would just be manifest in in the mind.
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01:23:49
Well, I think, a lot of people are starting to lean in this general direction of that of that perhaps we’re trying to, measure something that cannot be measured. Perhaps we’re trying to, like, put something on a scale that does not necessarily physically exist, but also has the attributes of something that physically exists, or they can manifest something that physically exists.
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01:24:16
But what it’s sai it’s kind of an illusion.
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01:24:18
Mhmm.
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01:24:18
And the whole thing is kind of going on simultaneously, inter meh. And that this is why we struggle with our definitions and our just our overall acceptance of even the possibility of it being real. I mean, people I think most people, when you talk to them about UFOs, if they don’t have any skin in the game, they’ll tell you they believe in UFOs.
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01:24:43
They’ll tell you that we think they think we’ve been visited because it’s fun. But if you said to them, if you had to bet everything you have everything you have on the government has recovered crashed UFOs and that they visit us and they come from, you know, the Pleiades shah system and and they’ve been here from the beginning of ai, Or there’s weird conscious experiences, weird weird doors, portals of consciousness that open up, that allow you to see things that might not not necessarily be physically measurable, but are also real.
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01:25:22
Mhmm.
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01:25:23
And that these things are what everybody’s talking about in these ancient religious stories. These things are things that people are talking about when they claim they’ve been abducted by UFOs, then something landed, and and even, like, the physical remnants of these crafts.
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01:25:38
That might all of it might be just a part of this very bizarre psychic experiment that’s going on. That as the mind expands its ability to understand other realms and as the like, you have to think of you don’t have to but the way I think of it is like we didn’t used to be able to see.
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01:26:03
So it was an emerging trait of single celled organisms, no sight. If you believe in evolution, it goes to multi celled organisms, eventually goes to sight. So it’s an emerging part of being a living thing so you can see. Then language, we didn’t used to be able to talk, now we talk freely.
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01:26:19
So there’s an emerging thing, an ability that human beings sai. And I think consciousness, psychic ability, precognition, remote viewing, all this stuff. For most people, that’s a nonsense thought, but I think the thought is so prevalent in so many different cultures. Sai phenomena is discussed ubiquitously on in every corner of the world, and I think it’s probably an emerging part of being a human being.
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01:26:56
Well, do you think it’s biologically based? It it it would need to be if it were, you know, universal like that.
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01:27:03
Chemically based? Biologically based? I’m sure it probably has a lot to do with the diet of the the creatures. Ai? I mean, if if if humans are consistently if they’re in the Amazon, you’re consistently, taking Ayahuasca and eating mushrooms and having rituals, you’re probably in that realm more often than a regular person who eats McDonald’s and drinks coffee at Starbucks and is stressed out because they work all day and is on SSRIs, you’re probably not getting much of that at all.
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01:27:31
There’s a lot of telepathy, I think, that occurs in those kinds of cultures. You know, they share dreams and they share visions. It’s very interesting.
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01:27:38
Well, you know that that’s what they tried to initially call harming. Ai? They discovered it. They tried to call it telepathy.
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01:27:43
A telepathy. Exactly. Ai. Right.
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01:27:45
But it already existed under the definition under the the nomenclature. They called it harmine. So they had to, like, okay. Well, it’s already named bad. It’s cool to call it telepathine.
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01:27:55
Right. It was, you know, synthesized by somebody and got that name. Yeah.
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01:27:59
But the people that were experiencing it then when they wanted to name it telepathine, there was they wanted to name it that because they were experiencing telepathic. Right. They were having these weird experiences where they’re sharing moments. Shared visions. Yeah.
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01:28:12
Yeah. Well, I think you can share visions just like you can share thoughts. You know, you can, or you share feelings. Ai just a little more complex.
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01:28:21
The thing about that is, if it’s local and there’s other communication. Right? If you’re both in the same room and, like, your friend says, not the pyramid. Ai, oh, so I see the pyramid now. You know? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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01:28:34
Or if you guys are nowhere near each other, you can’t hear each other, you can’t and then you independently write down what you experienced and then that person says that’s exact and they have the exact same thing. So they have no interaction with you before they write down what they experienced or recorded or what have you. But there’s the same. They’re having the same thing.
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01:28:50
Yeah. Do you know of Rupert Sheldrake’s work?
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01:28:52
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve had Rupert on.
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01:28:54
You have? Okay. Great. Yeah. Ai sorry. He’s spoken to you about his Morphic resonance. His morphic resonance and his and these large scale experiments with a lot of of, you know, people from the public. They, you know, see then, you know, they they will make, you know, cold calls and people are expecting them.
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01:29:11
You know, the dog knows it’s gonna come that your own their owners are going to come home much, you know, sooner or at a different time than Yeah. And they can sense it, and they’re ready. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there is, you know, like, awareness at a distance, speak to be.
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01:29:26
But Ai, you know, I think it also must occur between people or things which have already got a strong relationship.
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01:29:36
Yeah. Like ram. When they teach them how to do a maze on the East Coast, they figure out how to do it quicker on the West Coast. You’ve seen those. Right?
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01:29:43
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, crystal formation.
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01:29:45
I was,
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01:29:45
you know, thinking about a dream I had once of my washing machine while I was traveling, and I had a dream about my washing machine that has stopped working. And I, you know, called home, and I said, yeah. How’s the washer? And she said, it’s broken. Ai spoke to Rupert, and I said, you know, can you explain that? And he said, you must have a strong relationship to your washing machine. Oh, you knew?
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01:30:13
Yeah. Kinda makes sense.
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01:30:15
Ai mean, across species, you know, across life forms almost, you know, communication. Well, I mean, do you think things would work out if there were universal language? Or, I mean, would we just, you know, build a tower of, you know, Babel all over again? Or would we, like, do something, you know, good, you know, for everyone?
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01:30:35
I think we have the potential now because we’re we’re not if if we can develop universal language, when you have real communication with people globally that’s never existed before, instantaneous real communication through devices that’s never existed. So that’s a different factor when you consider a universal language. So if you have real communication with people, then you have universal language.
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01:31:01
And then here’s the big one, the ability to detect deception. So if we really are all communicating through some sort of neural implant And we really are doing this telepath telepathically with a a universal language, and we’re experiencing each other’s consciousness in a way that eliminates all possibility of deception.
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01:31:27
You could see envy, greed, anger. We you could see these things in people’s thoughts. If this becomes a possibility, and I think it’s within the realm of ai, I think it’s within the realm of technological possibility. When that does happen, it will mean a very different thing to be a human being, and I think it could be one of the greatest things that’s ever happened because it would force us to only communicate at a a higher level.
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01:31:59
You you there would be no benefit in bullshitting anymore. It would be the opposite. It would actually be detrimental. You’ll be ostracized. No one would wanna communicate with you anymore.
Speaker: 1
01:32:09
Well, you’d be speaking the truth all the time.
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01:32:12
All the time. Yeah. Yeah. All the time.
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01:32:13
There’d be no more lying.
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01:32:15
No more lying. Impossible to lie, which I think is fascinating.
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01:32:18
I don’t think that would work. Why not?
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01:32:20
Well, I mean, there are some lies that are told for the sake of peace. Right. But what are the parameters? Like, what are the confines of our society and of our just geopolitically low you know, in terms of environments we exist in? Like, what why? Why? What what lies would be good for peace that wouldn’t be better if everybody just knew exactly what was going on?
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01:32:47
Well, if everybody knew exactly what was going on, that would be, you know, something different. But I think, you know, in the meantime, there are some, you know, some benefits, you know, to white lies.
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01:32:58
Sure. As a human being Right. With a limited sai limited ability to communicate and, you know, you don’t wanna hurt anybody’s feelings. Sure. Yeah. But if you’re not a human being anymore, essentially, you’re a ai, and you’re you’re connected through a neural link to the whole world, there’s gonna be zero benefit in lying.
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01:33:18
Right. Well, you’re you know, suggesting a new species of man.
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01:33:22
I am suggesting a new species of man.
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01:33:24
Yeah. One of my, you know, favorite books is called First and Last Men. It’s by Olaf Stapledon. He’s a British science fiction writer from the 19 thirties, 19 forties. Mhmm. And he describes 19 species of man that extends over 2,000,000,000 years. And the final species is living on one of the outer planets.
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01:33:46
They live 35000 years because that’s how long, it takes, you know, to learn everything. And every so often, they all communicate telepathically around the whole globe. And it’s like this big event, obviously. It happens every, whatever, 20000 years.
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01:34:03
Woah.
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01:34:03
Yeah. And they work up to it. Yes. It’s an inspiring book, actually. It’s one of my favorite.
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01:34:09
You know ai Sai another more controversial thought that I have about all this stuff is vatsal, ultimately, the big bottleneck, with information is gonna be money. Because money right now is just ones and zeros. Right? Money is just information on it’s just you we agree that you have x amount of dollars here.
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01:34:32
You have that’s we agree.
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01:34:34
Mhmm.
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01:34:34
You know, that’s not a gold standard anymore. It’s just not backed by anything. It’s just a weird thing. So that that’s that’s information. The trend with technologies, we have more and more access to information, and, ultimately, we’re gonna have instantaneous access to information. But then we have this money thing.
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01:34:55
We have money, which is and and as people get better and better at cracking and coding, like, you’re you’re not gonna have encrypted money. You’re not gonna have encrypted info. It’s not gonna be possible, especially when quantum computing becomes ubiquitous, like, ai know, because we’re all operating off it’s ai it’s all done.
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01:35:15
And if this happens at the same ai, when we’re all sharing our thoughts, impossible to lie, and then universal language and money. So then you have an even distribution of resources that’s not based at all on capitalism. It’s an abandonment of capitalism. Not but not in, like, a Marxist communist way
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01:35:40
Mhmm.
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01:35:40
In sort of a practical utilitarian way to deal with the fact that everybody’s communicating with everybody instantaneously. You can’t have a guy who lives in a fucking castle and another guy who lives in a favela with a dirt floor and no food if we’re all existing as one.
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01:35:55
Well, it would require a change in human nature.
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01:35:57
Yeah. Well, human nature won’t be human nature once this happens. Whatever you think of human nature as of now, it’s ai you can tell me something. I don’t know if you’re telling me the truth. I can kinda guess. I have a feeling, but I don’t know. So that makes progress slow.
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01:36:13
Well, do you think that, you know, that that the technology will change human nature?
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01:36:19
Of course. Or Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. But just by design, if you if you’re communicating telepathically and you can instantaneously detect it, it makes deception impossible. Right? Because you’re only able to, like, express your thoughts.
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01:36:34
Yeah. I I have a feeling that won’t be very popular.
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01:36:37
Well, it won’t be popular with the kind of humans that exist today. Right.
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01:36:40
You know, so will the human nature have to change first before there’s a agreement to undertake that?
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01:36:47
Ai think it’ll change with it. Well, one of the good things is we might be able to completely eliminate things like depression, suicidal thoughts, or mental illnesses. Maybe we could recognize that these are simply patterns in the way this thing operates. And if you just optimize it, it no longer has these patterns.
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01:37:07
If everybody has, like, this increased level of ai.
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01:37:11
For example. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:37:12
Yeah. Ai, everybody just increased dopamine 300%.
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01:37:15
Well and increased oxytocin. Yes.
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01:37:17
You know? Everybody loves everybody. Everybody loves everybody.
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01:37:19
We’re walking
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01:37:20
around a state of tripping. We’re all in ecstasy together. This is a low level where you’re functional. You’re not gonna crash your car.
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01:37:26
Right. But you
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01:37:27
probably won’t have cars anymore anyway. They’ll be driving you around.
Speaker: 1
01:37:30
Well, an interesting, you know, thought is, you know, maybe you can increase levels of endogenous DMT in everyone genetically.
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01:37:38
Sure. Or on cue. Mhmm. Like, whenever you’d want it.
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01:37:42
Yeah. I think, you know, the rapture may have a biological, you know, basis in that regard. Look ai it’s a, you know, timed event
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01:37:50
Right.
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01:37:51
Which is worldwide that turns on the DMT ai, machinery. And everybody just
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01:37:57
Connects all the minds together Yeah. In the universal language. As one big blowout. And we emerge from our violent monkey past
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01:38:05
Mhmm.
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01:38:06
And become the next version of what it means to be a human being.
Speaker: 1
01:38:10
Well, which would be nonmaterial. You know, the DMT world is nonmaterial.
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01:38:15
Right.
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01:38:16
It’s visual. Sai, I mean, we might just transcend into some ai, I think everybody, you know, in this, you know, kind of scenario, everybody would drop dead.
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01:38:25
But isn’t it more than visual? It’s visual in the sense that you experience it with your eyes, but your brain is experiencing something too. You just don’t know what to do with it. You don’t know where it goes. So you say it’s visual. I’m seeing it. But you’re not just seeing it.
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01:38:38
You’re experiencing it.
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01:38:40
Well, I think it’s a world made of light. I think that’s, you know, the way and, you know, and we perceive light through the eyes. It’s visually, you know, experienced
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01:38:50
per se. But whenever you’re having a visual with your eyes closed,
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01:38:53
it’s tough to call it
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01:38:54
a visual. I mean, obviously, it’s interacting with that part of your brain.
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01:38:58
Right. Well, you call it that after the fact.
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01:39:00
It’s after you come down with you
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01:39:03
know, when you’re drinking Ai.
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01:39:04
But have you ever opened your ai? On DMT, there was this video I was watching the other day online where these people, they they put them on DMT, and then they, had lasers.
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01:39:16
The the meh laser effect.
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01:39:18
Yeah. Yes. Tell me about that.
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01:39:20
Yeah. I just found out about it a couple days ago.
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01:39:23
You? Yeah. You just found out about it. That’s crazy. Yeah. I just found out about it a couple days ago.
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01:39:27
Yeah. Yeah. A friend is putting together a piece on that phenomenon, and he wanted my opinion.
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01:39:36
Can you explain it to people, what they’re experiencing?
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01:39:39
Well, I think what happens, and, you know, this is just a very cursory assessment of the of the project. But, you know, people smoke DMT, and then they project this white or this, this, they project on ai red laser onto the wall. And if you look very carefully at it, from what I understand, you can see the matrix.
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01:40:05
You’ve seen code in ai laser.
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01:40:08
Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Can we take a bit of a break? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Take a bit
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01:40:13
of a break, ladies and gentlemen. We’ll be right back. It’s not that he doesn’t have faults. He most certainly has faults, but they all have faults. It’s just they had control of the media and they turned him into something that he wasn’t just 10 years ago to them. Very strange how it was done. Yeah.
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01:40:28
You know, and we all were a victim of it. Everybody, like, you don’t wanna admit that he has any positive qualities, so you get labeled a Nazi.
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01:40:36
Yeah. Well and why do you think that happened?
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01:40:39
Well, because he is an outsider and he is someone who, did not come through the political system, so doesn’t have all these relationships and all of these intertwined conflictions with corporations and all these different businesses that have paid for his campaign, the campaign self financed. Then you have someone who didn’t play the game to get in there. And you can’t have that. You can’t have that.
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01:41:05
If you if you have that and this guy doesn’t want wars. He doesn’t want us giving money to foreign companies and foreign countries and propping up dictators. We can’t have that. We need that. That’s part of the American machine. That’s how it all works.
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01:41:19
With the military industrial complex.
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01:41:21
It’s real.
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01:41:21
Yeah. It is it’s been real for a long time.
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01:41:23
I mean, when Eisenhower talked about it on television at the end of his term, it’s it’s kind of a crazy moment in history that was just broadcast on television and wasn’t really revisited until YouTube came around.
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01:41:35
It was ignored. Yeah. Yeah. It was, you know, conveniently ignored.
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01:41:41
Yeah. Yeah. I think, with RFK Junior, when he gets in, we have a real possibility of opening up psychedelic treatment for veterans, which I think is the best way to start it off because they’re the most deserving of it. They’re the people we ask of the most, and there’s been a lot of people that have had some pretty profound changes, take place because of psychedelic experiences.
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01:42:09
I think it’s going to need to be scaled up.
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01:42:12
And Yes.
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01:42:12
What that scaling up looks like still isn’t really worked out.
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01:42:16
Right.
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01:42:16
I I think they should develop special clinics, you know, where you wouldn’t actually be doing research, and you wouldn’t need incredibly, strong data to justify that kind of treatment. You would just need an indication that it was helpful. Right. And a specialized therapist, pure drug, it it wouldn’t be schedule 1 kind of, you know, super restrictive research, but it wouldn’t be just, Ai West any but and and anything goes.
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01:42:46
I think there needs to be some ai middle, institutional development where, you know, a lot of people can go who would benefit from psychedelic assisted therapy. And, yeah, yeah, the vets make sense. You know, so many homeless people are veterans. Like in Albuquerque, there’s an enormous homeless population.
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01:43:07
Mhmm.
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01:43:07
A large number of them are vets. They’re really not treated all that well when they
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01:43:11
come home. No. They’re not. And, it’s not like this idea of not having robust clinical research to show efficacy, like, on a physiological level, that doesn’t really exist with SSRIs anyway, and they’re already prescribing them. Like, there’s so much anecdotal stories, so many of them of guys going to Meh, taking Ibogaine, taking DMT, psilocybin experiences, and coming back and just, like, sorted their life out.
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01:43:41
It’s amazing. A couple of weeks ago, we were at a conference up in Denver, and I was, you know, doing some, you know, book signing. You know, some ai, my generation, came up to meh, And he, you know, told the story after he returned from Vietnam. He was using basically every drug, in a bad way, bad drugs in a bad way. And he smoked DMT one day, stopped using everything.
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01:44:08
He even moved to live across the street from a liquor store to be able to, you know, demonstrate that he had that willpower that had just changed with one DMT experience to resist any future drinking. Wow. Yeah. You know, so those kinds of stories you just can’t ignore.
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01:44:23
You there’s too many of them. And I’ve I know I have personal friends that have gone through it and changed their ai, quit drinking, got their shit together, became a much nicer person. Like, sometimes people are just burdened by the stress of what they’ve experienced, especially war, which is the most horrific thing that people can experience. You’re burdened by this.
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01:44:42
And sometimes they don’t know how to shut those demons off. They don’t know how to shut it off. And something can come saloni, whether it’s a DMT experience, Ayahuasca, Ibogaine. There’s a bunch of different anecdotal stories that I’ve heard of different things. I I was reading something about Colorado today. Colorado is doing some new psilocybin research thing where they’re they’re opening up clinics now?
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01:45:11
Yeah. Yeah. They’re gonna be opening up these healing clinics, which will be more or less, you know, based on the Oregon model. You ai the therapists. You, you know, have to account for your supply of drugs and, you know, quality control, those kinds of things.
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01:45:27
I would worry about that. Like, we’re talking about, like, control and that’s where you would open up the door to potential spiritual narcissism. Like, if you could see someone starting a nice cult that way. Well, I He controls the mushrooms.
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01:45:43
Who controls the mushrooms? Well, they’re you know, it wouldn’t be the first time that, you know, psychedelic, young cults, you know, emerged. Yeah. Well, do you are are you familiar with, you know, the Rajneesh story?
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01:45:57
Which one’s that?
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01:45:58
In in Antelope, Oregon, there was this
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01:46:01
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Wild Wild Country.
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01:46:03
Wild Wild Country. Well
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01:46:04
I love that one. Yeah. That’s Oso.
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01:46:07
That’s that’s Osho. Oso. Oso?
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01:46:10
Osho. Yeah. Osho or Oso?
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01:46:12
I think Osho.
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01:46:13
You got me confused. I sai, Osho. Which one? Osho? Yeah. Shah. Osho. He’s my favorite. He said, but the people
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01:46:20
Baguan.
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01:46:21
Are retarded. Yeah. That’s that guy.
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01:46:24
Yeah. That guy.
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01:46:25
Osho. I read his book, because I watched Wild Wild Country. I was so blown away by it that I read his book and it’s actually, like, very interesting. I mean, I think he’s written more than one book. I forget which one I have, But, I read it a few years back and I was like, this is a fascinating person.
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01:46:42
Like, he doesn’t seem like our cult leader. What’s the main message that he’s trying to get across? Well, it’s just sort of like a guide book for life. Like, see if pull up his books. I’ll tell you which one it was.
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01:46:53
The Book of Secrets.
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01:46:55
Mhmm. It’s got
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01:46:55
a besantero.
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01:46:56
Can you show me what they look like so I can see the covers?
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01:47:02
I got a bunch of books.
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01:47:03
One would always wonder if
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01:47:05
It’s one of the few books I have that’s a physical copy too. I’d have to go back and look
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01:47:08
at it. Yeah. You you kind of wonder if these are transcriptions of his talks or things that other people helped him write or even things that other people wrote for him.
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01:47:18
For the people?
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01:47:19
It’s over the Buddha.
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01:47:20
By the people. They did a dirty thing there where they took all those homeless people and they brought them to the so they could count as voters.
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01:47:31
Mhmm. And then
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01:47:32
they kicked them out.
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01:47:33
Yeah. Yeah. Weren’t they trying to poison the city council or something?
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01:47:36
They poisoned everybody. They they yeah. They they poisoned people when, they were trying to take over, politically. But that was that one woman. What was her name? Rita? Was that her name? The one woman who got in trouble. She she was ai running the cult.
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01:47:51
She was Right.
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01:47:52
She was pretty brutal.
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01:47:55
Well well, you know, I spent, you know, some time at a Zen monastery. I was actually, as a young man, thinking of becoming a monk.
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01:48:02
How long did you spend there?
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01:48:04
Not that long because my depression lifted while I was there. I think my motivation to become a monk was because of how depressed I was. I didn’t think I was able to really function any other way than, you know, than in in a cluster, more or less, I believe. Yeah. But then, my depression cleared, and I went back to school. Yeah. But I stayed associated with them for over 20 years. I went up there.
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01:48:26
What, do you attribute your depression lifting to?
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01:48:30
Well, it was I I think it was a minor enlightenment experience. That’s not, you know, to say that I’m enlightened or anything. But, you know, but if you look at the, you know, the phenomenology of the enlightenment experience, it’s on a scale. You know, there’s your gradations ai the major one and then, you know, smaller little ones. Mhmm. Yeah. I was walking back from a work, assignment.
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01:48:53
I they were asked well, one thing they liked, you know, doing was because I was a medical student back there, back then, you know, thought Ai was hot shit. I was always given the worst ai, you know, the worst work ai, like, you know, clean their toilets or, you know, knock down this hill. You know?
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01:49:11
So one day they said, you know, can you move that hill? Sai I had my shovel and my pick. I was 22 years old or whatnot. Yeah. And I was, you know, coming back from the work project, and my depression just lifted right off my shoulders. It was it was the damnest thing.
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01:49:26
It was about 15, you know, 30 seconds or so. I thought, oh, that’s pretty interesting. Yeah. And the end of the day came, and I woke up the next morning, and I was still feeling pretty good.
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01:49:38
Wow.
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01:49:39
And, yeah. You know, so I was indebted to them for helping pull me out of that bad mood. It was a bad mood too. I had to drop out of school.
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01:49:49
Was it directly after you had to move the hill?
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01:49:52
It was on the way back to the tool shed.
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01:49:55
Yeah. Did you do anything before that physically?
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01:50:02
You know, I don’t remember what my other work assignment was. It it was an afternoon work assignment, as I remember.
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01:50:08
I mean, in your life, did you ever do any hard labor? Oh. Ever work out? Ever take a sport?
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01:50:15
Yeah. I ran track. You ran ram?
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01:50:16
It was
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01:50:17
it was the sprints, though, so it was just a sudden burst of energy.
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01:50:20
Mhmm.
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01:50:20
It wasn’t anything prolonged. You know, I’ve done a lot of strenuous hiking and backpacking.
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01:50:28
The sprinting, when you were doing that, did would were you particularly happy or depressed when you were doing that?
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01:50:34
No. I well, you know, sprinting itself is great. Just like
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01:50:37
I don’t mean that. I mean, during the time period where you were participating in sprinting, did you have any depression?
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01:50:43
No. No. Well, I suppose, you know, you know Teen angst? Yeah. You know, teenager angst, you know, growing up in the Sai Fernando Valley.
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01:50:51
Right. That everybody has.
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01:50:52
Right.
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01:50:53
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had that while I was doing martial arts. It’s not like it cures it. But I do know, personally, me, if I go long periods of time where I don’t exercise, I get depressed. I don’t feel good. I feel shitty. I feel off. Mhmm. I think, our bodies have put vanity aside because I think a lot of very intelligent people associate exercise with vanity.
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01:51:15
But I I think your body has a physical requirement to achieve, like, homeostasis, to achieve balance, to achieve, like, an ability to kind of, like, exist in a neutral place. You’re always affected by the world, but the more neutral you are, the better. Like, the more you’re just you you exist and you’re not, like, constantly wound up about something or constantly upset about this or constantly fearing that or being overwhelmed with the ai.
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01:51:45
I think some of that is in response to a lack of physical movement. I think the body is designed to exist in a very primal world that doesn’t exist anymore. And so because the body had a lot of ai, 10000, 15000 years ago, I think we’re we’re still programmed in that general way.
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01:52:06
And that the only way to keep a balance of the mind and the body together for me is to constantly engage in exercise, rigorous exercise. Yeah. What what kind of diet do you follow? Mostly, I eat meat. Mostly meat.
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01:52:22
Mostly meat. Beef?
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01:52:24
Yeah. I eat beef. Sai eat a lot of wild game, a lot of elk.
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01:52:28
Mhmm.
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01:52:29
I eat deer and wild pigs. I I do eat some vegetables sometimes, but only if Sai feel like it. Yeah. I don’t eat them for nutrition. I eat fruit and I take a lot of vitamins.
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01:52:40
Yeah. And no greens.
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01:52:42
I mean, I’ll eat greens every now and then. I’ll have, like, a salad if I feel like having a salad, but I don’t think I’m having a salad for health. You know? I think
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01:52:50
It’s it’s for taste?
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01:52:52
Yeah. It’s for just I like eating stuff.
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01:52:53
Yeah. Do you like pretzels?
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01:52:55
I do. I try not to eat them.
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01:52:56
Yeah. I love pretzels. That’s my weakness.
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01:52:58
They’re kind of bullshit. But I was at the mall the other day and we walked ai. What is it? Annie’s Annie’s vatsal?
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01:53:04
Is that
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01:53:04
what it is? Yeah. If it’s crack, I didn’t eat one. But that meh, the smell in the air was ai, there was a giant ass ai, a huge line. There’s no line for anything else in that food court. That pretzel line
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01:53:16
There must be there must be something in those pretzels.
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01:53:19
Deliciousness? Yeah. Ai. They’re so good. They’re so good. No. There’s no MDMA. It’s just delicious. You feel terrible right after you ate it. Like, what did I do?
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01:53:27
That’s like MDMA.
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01:53:30
Yeah. But there’s no 5 htp that you can take that’s gonna help you.
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01:53:33
Right.
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01:53:34
The, the the down you feel off of a a pretzel sometimes is worth it though Mhmm. Because they’re so delicious, especially the ones that wrap a hot dog in the pretzel.
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01:53:43
Yeah. Yeah. A month or 2 ago, I was at Union Station in Los Angeles, and there was a stand here selling, you know, the, you know, the encased hot dogs in
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01:53:53
Mhmm. In
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01:53:53
in pretzels. You have to apply a fair amount of mustard.
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01:53:56
They’re so good, though. Yeah. Ai? It’s delicious. Terrible for you. So good, though.
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01:54:01
We took an Amtrak back from Union Station to Albuquerque, But, you know, like an overnight
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01:54:06
How’s that?
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01:54:07
Well, I mean, it was quaint, but it wasn’t, like, efficient. It’s too slow. It’s pretty slow, pretty noisy.
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01:54:14
And you you start thinking, I could’ve been on a plane. I would’ve already been there.
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01:54:17
Right. It would’ve been just, you know, 30 minutes rather than whatever it was, 14 or so.
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01:54:23
Yeah. That’s stupid.
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01:54:24
Well, I mean, look at European trains, though. You can really have fun on a European train. They’re comfy. They’re on ai. Good food. Good coffee.
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01:54:32
What’s the fastest train? Is it Japan? Do they have the bullet trains?
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01:54:35
I think the Chinese
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01:54:37
Chinese?
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01:54:37
Or the Japanese. Yeah. Really, really fast.
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01:54:40
Yeah. That’s one of the things that Elon was trying to do with America. They were trying to put bullet trains that would take you from San Francisco to New York City in, like, a few hours.
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Yeah. I mean, there should be no reason not to do that.
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The only reason would
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Other than the automobile industry.
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Well, also tracks. Like, who’s watching those tracks? If you’re going if you’re going a 1,000 miles an hour or whatever you’re going, who’s watching the tracks? Who’s making sure someone doesn’t put something on the tracks?
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Right. Right. That’s even a concern now, but, yeah, ai would certainly be if the people are going a 1,000 miles an hour.
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Yeah. Like, I’m amazed at how few derailments there are if you think about how many trains are flying back and forth.
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Yeah. Well, I lived in Gallup, New Mexico for years, and it’s a train town more or less. And, you know, there were I think they there were 3 trains came through every hour, you know, 247. So Wow. You know, 70 trains, 75 trains every day would go through town, and there were very few
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That’s crazy.
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Yeah. Yeah. They’re pretty effective.
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But you’re constantly waiting for trains then. Like, there’s always those things that come down. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
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Oh, yeah. Sit there and
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wait while the train flies by.
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Yeah. It was a point of controversy in that little town. Like, were they going to build a tunnel underneath or a bridge over? Yeah. Yeah. You know, the business folks in, you know, the downtown area. And it it would be noisy too that trains would go by, you know, 35 miles an hour, and they’re big trains.
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Like, you know, some of the cargo trains are more than a mile long, and they can just take you forever to cross saloni and third Street, and you’re just, you know, stuck there.
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Meh. Fuck that. Right. Well I just wouldn’t wanna be in a place that’s that noisy, especially if you’re you’re in New Mexico. It’s kinda quiet.
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Well, your bones rattle, when the trains go by and, you know, they honk their their horns. Uh-huh. Like, they have to do 3, then 2, then 3, then 2.
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Well, there’s some apartments in New York New York City Right. Where their apartment building’s there and the train’s going right in front of the apartment building. Exactly. That’s crazy. Yeah. Like, how cheap is that rent that you’ve agreed to that?
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Yeah. And the long term effects on your mental Oh. Physical health.
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Yeah. Well, whenever someone’s crazy in a movie, they always live there. They just live, like, right where the train is.
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Mhmm.
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You know? It just it kinda accentuates their craziness. Right? They get no rest.
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I know. Well, you know, my mom’s mom lived in a little town in Western Pennsylvania, and, you know, the coal trains would would, you know, pass through her backyard, basically. Like, you know, there’s a little hill in her backyard and the train tracks. And I really enjoyed just sitting there as the trains went by, you know, smelling the exhaust.
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That was, you know, something in in on as an early manifestation of my enjoyment.
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Have you seen these in China? Woah. That’s crazy. It goes through the building.
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That’s what they say.
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Yeah. That would be noisy.
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Imagine if you’re above that ai to sleep. Fuck out of here. Yeah. That’s nuts. That’s not real? Woah. That can’t be real.
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Yeah. That can’t be real. Yeah. They they couldn’t find anybody to live there.
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You could. Well, Ai I I guess bryden or maybe Somebody would agree.
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It could be a jail or a prison too.
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Well yeah. Or just some crazy person. They just think that’s a good idea. You know? Mhmm. A lot of people like to live in different ways.
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I have this their, like, their market’s right on the train line. Woah. And they have to, like, pick up the stuff when it comes through. What?
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s efficient. So they quickly grab their baskets and stuff and pull it out of the way? Yeah.
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Because, like, people are walking on the train track.
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That’s nuts. That is crazy. Yeah.
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And rather than move, they just figure it out.
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Wow. 8 times a day, 7 days a week. Wow.
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You have to put things away. You have to 3 minutes.
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Oh, really? Man. Wow. Yeah.
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How many dogs do they lose every year?
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Well, suicides too. I’m sure. You know, lots of people that, you know, ai, the the small town that I was I was living in it. Yeah. You you know, that would be ai a you know, regular thing if people would, you know, lay down on the tracks if they were having a bad day.
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Ai if we can cure that with Elon Musk’s Neuralink. Everybody sign up.
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Yeah. On the reservation, ai be hard to, you know, get the word out there.
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Yeah. They probably don’t wanna listen to you anyway. They probably want you to take it sai that you all go extinct. They’ll take over again.
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Some crazy white man idea.
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I mean, these are people that were hesitant to agree to get photographed.
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Uh-huh.
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You know? They’re they’re gonna be the last adopters of this stupid fucking brain implant Yeah. These stupid white people are doing.
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Well, you know well well, so Gallup is, you know, like, on their reservation, you know, pretty meh, you know, the Navajo reservation. Yeah. And, most of the, you know, population is native.
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Mhmm.
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Yeah. So it was pretty interesting, you know, living among, you know, the natives for 14 years. And, you know, their view of white people is they’re noisy, they’re superficial, and they’re kinda dumb.
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Well, there’s plenty of examples that would support that if you were inclined to be, you know, less charitable Yeah. Yeah. And make a rash generalization about white people.
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Well, I learned to be, you know, quiet there because there’s there isn’t anything to do. And, you know, there aren’t that many people. So
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We were talking about this before it aired. One of the big reasons you moved out of there was it was it’s hard to get health care. Right? Like, you
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The the health care was rather poor. Yeah. Like, I, you know, came down with pneumonia. This is 2014. And I was not I didn’t receive the best care. Ended up getting C. Diff, because of all the antibiotics Sai
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was doing.
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It’s just horrible diarrhea. It’s sai Oh, no. Like a, you know, fatal diarrhea. I think 30,000 people in the country die every year from C. Diff.
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Woah. Yeah. And I was, you
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know, battling that. You know, it the quality of the care was just so poor that I was taking notes. And I thought if I live through this, I’m gonna write about it. And, you know, so that is, you know, the basis of that autobiographical novel I wrote a few years ago. Oh. You know, Joseph Levy escapes death. Yeah.
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It’s an account of ai
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I was worried about you, but I didn’t wanna pry. Because I we had gone back and forth in the email, and you were just telling me your health was not well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were talking about the possibility of me being on your
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show. I’m just too sick. I can’t travel.
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Yeah. Yeah. Generally, people don’t bounce back when they say they’re that sick. I was really worried about you, but I didn’t wanna Ai I still don’t know, like, how does one you know, I don’t wanna pry. You know, I felt I felt like if you wanna tell me about what’s going on, you would tell me about what’s going on.
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Yeah. It was a really hard time. Yeah. And I bounced back. Like, I swore
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You look great. Yeah. You look better than ever, actually.
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Oh, thanks. You really do. You too. Yeah. I I swore I would bounce back and feel even better than I did, you know, before I got sick.
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So
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yeah. But it was a chore. Well, it did strengthen my belief in God, speaking of God. Mhmm. Like, Ai wasn’t quite well, that, you know, God was not quite ready to take meh. And I wanted to become, you know, closer to that power that tyler, you know, that let me live.
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02:02:30
Mhmm. And did you feel like because God was not, God did not wanna take you, did you feel like you had work to do?
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Yeah. Yeah. I had to get back to work. I had to continue being useful. Like, I just couldn’t rest on my laurels.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, if you had called and you said, how’s it going? I’d say bad.
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Sounds like it was real bad.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That’s why I was worried. Yeah. Because, you know, I’m just too used to getting those ai of emails and then you hear that someone passed away.
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Oh, yeah. I know. It’s and, you know, in my generation, it’s, you know, ai of accelerating.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sai when you did finally get out of this, how long was, like, the the the actual sick period? How long was the period where you’re really hurting?
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Well, the pneumonia was about 10 days, and the C. Diff started about 10 days after that and went on for 6 weeks. Woah. Yeah. I lost £15. Woah. And you’re
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a thin guy to begin with.
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Yeah. I didn’t have £15 to lose. So, yeah, I found a good psychotherapist. I went in there and fell asleep, you know, the first visit. Mhmm. I said, I’m really tired. I feel really speak. And, you know, that was it. And I started working with her for, like, the next 4 years. Meh. Yeah.
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Because, obviously, things had gotten so, you know, so dire because I wasn’t taking care of myself.
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Right.
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So I had to kinda get to the bottom of that. Yeah. You know, so it took another maybe 7 months before I started to feel, like, my strength back and my brain functioning again. You know, one turning point, this might interest, you know, some of your listeners, is I got, you know, vaccinated, you know, for the flu in, like, in January, which was 9 months after this all arya.
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And it was the most painful vaccination Ai ever had. It was beyond 10. It wasn’t even throbbing. It was just constant, ai, beyond any pain in my arm I’d ever felt.
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How long did it last?
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02:04:41
130 minutes. And I woke up feeling great. Wow. Like, the best I had felt in almost a year.
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So after 130 minutes, just
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wore off. I went to bed thinking, god, I hope this wears off, or else I’m gonna have to get some attention. Yeah. It just wore off, and I felt pretty darn good the next morning. How weird. Very weird. I guess my immune system just really needed to just get socked or something. Yeah. And it seemed to have, you know, done the trick.
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Just strange that you’d have, like, a local pain that’s that intense. It was Ai, don’t hear about that.
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Yeah. Yeah. Ai was just at the vaccination site. Very interesting. Yeah. Weird. Do you get vaccinated? This might be a personal question. No.
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You can ask
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me anything. Yeah.
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Yeah. No. I almost got vaccinated for COVID.
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Right. I was wondering.
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I was, totally willing to do it. It was the early days of the pandemic, and the UFC had allocated about I think it was a 150 or so doses for all their employees because they they were running shows during the pandemic when everyone was terrified of it. So I go to Vegas to do this, UFC event, and, yeah, I had a test before I leave, then you fly, you test when you get there.
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And, you know, they’re really strict with their protocols, make sure that no one was sick. When people were sick, like, if someone, like a fighter’s corner man was sick, everyone was kicked off. The all those people were off. The the the fighter couldn’t compete even if he was negative
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Oh, okay.
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Because he had been exposed.
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Right.
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So they were real strict. And so they said, we have these vaccines if you want one. They didn’t tell me I had to take it, but they said, if you want one. I said, sure. I said, can I get it right before the fights? And they said, sure. And they didn’t know that I had to go to the actual clinic or the the hospital. So I contact the doctor. I said, hey.
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I’m here. Can I can you vaccinate me before the show? He sai, you actually have to go to the clinic on Monday. Can you can you stay till Monday? I said, I can’t, but I’ll be back in 2 weeks for the next event.
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So during the time where I was gonna get shot and then 2 weeks later, they pulled it. So the Johnson Johnson vaccine got pulled
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Right.
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Because people were getting blood clots. And so then 2 people that I knew that did get it had strokes. Sai don’t know if it was a coincidence, but it seemed rather odd.
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Right.
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And then I started getting nervous. And so then I started reading different things by different scientists that had opposing perspectives on both the efficacy and the safety of the vaccine. And then I got COVID. And then when I got COVID, I got over it really quickly, and then I got attacked on CNN. So I was like, okay. What’s going on here?
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Like, why are you guys upset that I took a certain medicine and got better? I’ve never even heard of such a thing. And they started labeling it, this ivermectin, as a horse dewormer, which is crazy because it won the Nobel Ai for people. So it was like I was watching this bizarre thing take place in scale on mass media against meh, but against me in the most preposterous way possible because I was healthy.
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I got better quick. Like, in 3 days, I was better and I made a video. In 6 days, I was working out, like, full steam. I didn’t I didn’t get sick for long at all, and I listed a bunch of different medications that I took. But the but for one for whatever reason, they labeled ivermectin as the thing that needed to be attacked, and it was they all in lockstep.
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MSNBC, CNN, Newspapers, all of them making these ridiculous statements that I was taking veterinary medicine. I got medicine from a doctor, from a pharmacy, an actual human doctor, medication for humans, and more importantly, I got better, like, really quick. Like, what is happening here?
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This is the strangest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. It was like this mass psychosis that was propagated by the media who were only intent on keeping everyone terrified and offering only one solution, and that solution just coincidentally happened to be insanely profitable.
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Yeah. That’s hard to figure.
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It was weird to go through. It’s very, very weird to go through. So, needless to say, I have become very skeptical about, a lot of narratives that are expressed constantly without any real examination.
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Well, do you think they’re going after you or going after the ivermectin?
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Going after the ivermectin. 100%. I was a simple, easy to make fun of person who did a ridiculous thing, and that’s why they were able to say horse dewormer. You know? But it’s it’s such a dumb thing to say because this we have it was a playbook that would have been really effective in 1998.
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You could have gotten that done in 1998. The problem is there’s too much information that’s available. And when you’re mocking a person for taking a drug that a human being won the Nobel Prize for in, like, 2015 for its use in humans, Like, that seems insane. Also, you’re you’re knocking people taking off label medication under the advice of a trained physician? What? Like, what’s going on? And who are these people that are doing this?
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These talking heads on CNN? Why are they all agreeing? How come not one person is saying, hey. What is the reason why Ivermectin would be taken in the first place? Oh, oh, it stops viral replication in vitro?
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Ram maybe there’s some maybe there’s some reason to use this. Maybe these doctors are correct. All these anecdotal stories about people taking it and then getting better quickly, like, is there anything to this? But there was none of that in the media because they are sponsored by pharmaceutical drug companies who clearly had marching orders.
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02:10:31
Yeah. What do you make of this virus that’s killing folks in the Congo?
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02:10:37
Jesus. Who knows?
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02:10:38
Yeah. I
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don’t I don’t know anything about it.
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Yeah. A 170 people have died. They don’t know what it is. It’s some weird African virus. Fun.
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Yeah. See if Bill Gates have been visiting there lately. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I I’m terrified of pandemics for sure. I just that one wasn’t one to be terrified of, and they made us terrified of it, which makes me terrified. Yeah. Because that was one where they you know, we talked about this in the podcast where they made fun of Donald Trump because he was saying it’s less than 1% of the people who get it ai.
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02:11:08
And then CNN was mocking him saying it’s 3.4%. It’s 3.4%. You know, it was it was considerably less than 1%. He was right. But they had marching orders, and his marching orders was to scare the shit out of people and to tell them to get vaccinated.
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02:11:23
It was a scary time. That’s for sure. Yeah. Yeah. They closed down the town that I was living in back then, Gallup. They it was closed down. You couldn’t go into it if
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you didn’t live there.
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02:11:33
God. Ai weird.
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For 9 days. Well, you know, 9 days better than California. California, they did a whole year and a half of, like, complete restrictions. They were stopping outdoor dining just arbitrarily. I had a friend and his brother works for the state and he said to the lady who was in charge of it, he said, why are you stopping outdoor dining?
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02:11:53
There’s no evidence that there’s spread through outdoor dining. And she sai, it’s the optics. Mhmm. The optics. Like, we’re gonna shut businesses down for optics because they had to show that they’re doing something because there’s, like, a noticeable spread that’s being reported in the media.
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02:12:10
That’s called virtue signaling. Right?
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02:12:12
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s also your the the real problem is their jobs are not dependent upon their society functioning. They get paid no matter what. So society crumbles and all these businesses they lost 70% of the restaurants at one point in time. 70% just went under. That’s insane to continue a practice like that, especially where within 6 months, they should have known that it wasn’t as fatal as everybody said it was.
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When they already had the data in about how come all these people that are dying, they all have, like, significant amount of comorbidities. How come all these people that are dying are over the age of 80? How come it doesn’t mean fuck those people. It means protect those people, but let everybody else get back to work.
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02:12:56
Like, you just have control of these people and you’re continuing to enforce this control while their lives are destroyed. How many people turn to drugs? How many people committed suicide because they lost everything completely out of their power? How many lives were lost? How many kids had their childhood stripped away from them and have significant learning problems, not just because they didn’t go to school, but because even when they went to school, they had to wear a mask.
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The whole so the the the the whole reading people’s lips and hearing sounds come out, everything was weird. Reading faces was weird. If you’re a toddler and your experience is going through the first couple of years of your schooling and your your preschool with fucking masks on, like, what is that?
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02:13:37
What do we do to these people?
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02:13:39
Well, we’ll ai out.
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02:13:40
Yeah. Yeah. And the the only good out of it, in my opinion, is that people realize that it was stupid and they won’t be as quick to accept it in the future.
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You think if there’s another pandemic? Right.
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I don’t think people are gonna accept the government, which is filled with a bunch of fucking silly people that have decided to run the government. Having complete control over whether or not you can run your business or you can decide to take, you know, a trip somewhere or you could visit your parents when they’re in the hospital.
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Like, all that is crazy.
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02:14:15
Yeah. I wonder what impact RFK Jr is gonna have on the, you know, the delivery of your health care now.
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02:14:23
Well, he’s gonna have so much of an impact that they’re talking about preemptively pardoning Fauci. Like, how do you pardon someone that didn’t do a crime? Preemptively. How are you pardoning someone where he’s not not only is he not convicted of a a crime, he’s not even ai, he’s not accused, he’s not indicted.
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02:14:45
Like, what do you
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02:14:45
I I guess that’s called blanket immunity.
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02:14:48
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s never been done before. There’s never been preemptive pardons
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02:14:51
for people Yeah. That’s an interesting that
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02:14:53
may have been committing crimes.
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02:14:55
Mhmm.
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02:14:56
It’s weird.
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02:14:57
Yeah. Well, do you know much about the fluoride story? A lot of people wonder about the pineal gland and DMT synthesis if you have a calcified pineal, which is more likely in, you know, if you’re fluoridated.
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Have they ever done autopsy studies on people that are in high fluoride areas to check out their pineal glands? Or is this just ai one of those things that people say?
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Well, it’s the case in lower animals that you feed them a high fluoride diet and their pineal glands calcify more rapidly. I’m not sure what the human literature is. I don’t know.
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02:15:30
So when you say that, when they calcify more rapidly, like, what animals are they serving them?
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02:15:37
Oh. Fluoride? You know, rats, mice.
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02:15:41
And what have the results been? Like, significant differences?
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02:15:45
Yeah. I mean, your you know, these experimental animals, pineal glands anyway, yeah, they do, you know, calcify more rapidly. You know, but whether or not that actually correlates to a reduction in melatonin production, for example, Ai not that familiar with, you know, the literature.
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Is the number commensurate with what would even be possible through fluoride and water, or would have to be some other form of poisoning? Is it ai a very high level of fluoride that they’re giving them?
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With the experimental animals, yeah, this Yeah. Fluoride rich kind of diet.
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So then the question would be, what about the accumulation of fluoride in small doses over the course of a long lifetime?
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02:16:26
Yeah. I yeah. I’m just not that current on, you know, the literature. You know, there’s a couple of things that occurred that caused pineal calcification. 1 is aging. You know, the older you get, the more calcification there is. You know, back when I was, you know, current on the pineal physiology data, which was a long time ago, like, you know, 40 years ago, you know, there wasn’t a relationship between the the degree of calcification in the human pineal and production of melatonin.
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02:16:58
You know? So, like, at least according, you know, to, you know, the data, you know, to the data from the eighties, you know, the degree of calcification wasn’t, you know, functionally significant. You know? But I get an email here and there wondering if fluoridation of the pineal might reduce the production of endogenous DMT, which one might, you know, theorize takes place. Yeah.
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But we don’t really know quite yet if the pineal even makes DMT. You’ve, you know, you know, let alone if pineal calcification might reduce it.
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02:17:34
Wouldn’t it be interesting to measure different lifestyles and then also look at the age in which these people are and see if there’s, like when they die, if there’s calcification? You know, it could be one person who’s a marathon runner, and they’re 65 versus one person who’s sedentary, drinks a lot, and they’re also 65.
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02:17:55
Yeah. You would think it would correlate with your overall general health.
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02:17:59
Right. Yeah. I mean, you and if you’re thinking that it’s age related, it may be age related, or is it exposure over long periods of time, you know, where it accumulates? Because the amount of fluoride that’s in the water is very small. And this is one of the things that people point to when they say that it’s not dangerous.
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02:18:17
It’s very small. But the question is, like, how where does it go? Like, does it actually leave the body bryden it accumulate somewhere?
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02:18:24
Yeah. Well, you’d have to compare, you know, you’d have to compare autopsies and older, you know, folks from
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02:18:32
Mhmm.
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02:18:33
You know, from areas that never have fluoride in their water versus those that did. And and I am certain those studies have been done. You know, like I said, I’m just not that current on
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02:18:42
I just don’t buy the idea that you should put fluoride in the water to prevent tooth decay. I just think that sounds like the way I’ve described that I sai, that’s like putting sunscreen in the apples because some people get sunburn. Like, that doesn’t seem that doesn’t seem logical. You could just brush your fucking teeth.
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02:18:58
Like, you don’t need to have this weird neurotoxic chemical in our water even in low supplies.
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02:19:05
Yeah. Would you put, your fluoride in the toothpaste?
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02:19:09
No. I don’t have fluoride in my toothpaste. I don’t have cavities.
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02:19:12
Oh, I do.
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02:19:13
I’ve had a few cavities. Do you eat sugar?
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02:19:16
I love sugar.
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02:19:17
That’s it. We found it. I don’t hardly ever eat sugar. Yeah. I mean, occasionally, I have a cookie or something like that, but it’s not a normal thing for me.
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02:19:25
Mhmm.
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02:19:26
I think it’s diet. It’s diet and it’s brushing your teeth.
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02:19:29
Yeah. Well and I think exercising your jaw too. Like, you’re chewing gum.
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02:19:34
Right. Is xylitol gum supposed to be really good for your jaw and good for your teeth?
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02:19:38
Yeah. Yeah. If you have a healthy jaw, healthy chin, I mean, you you breathe easier.
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02:19:43
Mhmm. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Ai don’t know how they got started with the whole fluoride in the water thing, but it seems like a giant ram. Ai, big fluoride Mhmm. Is still selling Yeah. Fluoride to all these different water departments, and they don’t wanna stop. That’s that’s the only thing that makes sense to me.
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02:20:01
It doesn’t make any sense that people would be willing to potentially sacrifice their children’s IQ. There’s a direct correlation between high levels of calcium in the water or excuse me, high levels of fluoride in the water and low IQs. This has been established.
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02:20:15
Okay.
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02:20:16
So if that’s true, that should be a fucking giant red flag for people. I mean and once you eliminate all the other environmental things that may be consistent with the piece people that have lower IQs in children, If you’re just pointing only at fluoride, if this is one thing that varies, like, this is a potential real problem.
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02:20:33
Like, we know that leaded gas reduced people’s IQ. Oh, yeah. We know that.
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02:20:38
Right? Yeah.
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02:20:39
When they used to have leaded gas, like, people like me and you who grew up at a time with leaded gas, you probably would be, ai, have a 10 point higher IQ That’s
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02:20:48
scary.
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02:20:49
If you didn’t grow up with leaded gas. I mean, there’s some sort of a percentage. I think it’s a small percentage, but it’s been measured. It’s been measured that what find out, like, what percentage, IQ what what percentage of a detriment is, leaded gas your IQ? Because they they actually have done studies on people and, like, what happened once unleaded gas was introduced and how children’s IQs went up.
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02:21:17
Oh, yeah. Super healthy. Yeah. Yeah. It was quite helpful.
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02:21:21
It’s still in the ground in some places.
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02:21:23
Well, it’s still in a lot of pipes.
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02:21:25
Oh, really? Yeah. Lead pipes? Oh, yeah.
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02:21:27
Yeah. The whole flint thing.
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02:21:28
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah. They used lead pipes. How crazy. Did your drinking water?
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02:21:34
Well, the Romans use lead pipes. I know. Yeah. For their plumbing. Meh. You know, the Latin, you know, name, you know, for lead is, you know, plumb. You know, plumbum.
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02:21:44
That’s crazy.
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02:21:45
Yeah. Yeah. That’s why, you know, the pipes were called, you know, plumbing.
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02:21:48
That’s probably why the Colosseum got started. They’re all fucked up on lead poisoning and just willing to throw their soldiers to the lions. Nearly half of US population exposed to dangerously high lead levels. So what does it say about IQ? Here it goes. Exposure to car exhaust, estimate ai lead exposure has on average led to a reduction of 2.6 IQ points per person. That’s nuts.
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02:22:13
Research also found that non Hispanic black people, individuals with lower family income to poverty ratio, and those with an older housing age were likely to have higher levels of lead in their blood. Well, probably because they lived in urban areas where there’s more car traffic. Right?
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02:22:29
Most likely. Most likely. Yeah. If they’re inhaling
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02:22:32
If they’re in in cities. Ai particles. People that live in, like, very congested areas. Wow. ai, Meh Protection Agency issued its first call for manufacturers to begin a gradual reduction in the amount of lead in gasoline. I bet they’re gonna look back at fluoride the same way we look back at leaded gas.
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02:22:51
Yeah. We’re gonna go,
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02:22:52
what the hell were we doing? It doesn’t even make any sense. Oh, it’s for your teeth.
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02:22:58
It’s for your teeth.
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02:22:58
Brush your fucking teeth.
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02:23:00
Yeah.
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02:23:00
And if you use fluoride in your toothpaste, great. Just spit it out. Don’t swallow that shit. Right? You don’t swallow tooth my friend Eddie said it best. He said, if fluoride wasn’t a problem, why would they wanna sell you toothpaste without fluoride? And why does it say fluoride free in the toothpaste?
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02:23:17
Why do people gravitate towards fluoride free toothpaste? But because of studies like this, where they found that it actually there is a correlation between IQ levels and ai. And at high levels, it’s fucking dangerous for you. But there’s all these people trying to dismiss it. Oh, stop. What’s the big deal?
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02:23:34
Mhmm.
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02:23:34
There’s nothing to this. Look at the amount of ai. Like, what about accumulative? Do we know? Do you really know? Or why why why are you so willing to accept the fact that it’s a good idea to throw neurotoxins in the water supply?
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02:23:50
Well, you know, they may have just, you know, discovered it, you know, through serendipity. You know, there may have been some
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02:23:58
Well, there’s a they did discover it through that.
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02:24:00
Yeah.
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02:24:00
There was a an area in Texas, I believe, where they had high natural levels of fluoride in the water, and there’s a corresponding lower instance of, cavities.
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02:24:11
Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.
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02:24:12
Floor is I think it’s Texas. Google, how did they start putting fluoride in the water? I’m pretty sure it’s that.
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02:24:19
There’s some healing springs of some sort.
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02:24:22
Yeah. Some mineral rich fluoride water. I don’t know. But either way, just brush your teeth. Stop eating so much sweets and brush your teeth. Both those things are a good idea. Fluoride in the water, not a good idea. If you wanna sell fluoride and tell people to add it to their water, fine.
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02:24:38
But putting it in everybody’s water, that’s crazy. That seems crazy.
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02:24:44
Yeah. Well, I mean, as a dentist or when I was a small kid, we used to get these, you know, fluoride treatments.
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02:24:50
Yeah.
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02:24:50
Yeah. With this, like, blue gun, you know, kind of gel that they would Mhmm. You know, put it in a saloni, you know, put it on your upper and lower teeth for, like, a 5 minutes or whatnot to Yeah.
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02:25:01
Kill those bad germs.
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02:25:02
A fluoride treatment.
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02:25:05
Well, yeah, I think Lower your curiosity.
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02:25:07
Yeah. You lower your Ai, which which is maybe not a bad idea.
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02:25:12
And now Ai gotta wonder with the thing you were talking about before about some people just don’t have imagination.
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02:25:17
Mhmm.
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02:25:18
Which is really crazy to think that some people are just they just got a bad hand.
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02:25:26
Well, they can’t make stuff up. They well, they must be quite practical. Right? I mean, you what you see is what you get. There’s no abstracting.
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02:25:34
That’s very charitable. They might just be dull. They might be dull minded,
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02:25:38
you know.
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02:25:39
I mean, there’s a certain percentage of our population that has an IQ below 85. I think what is it like 15% or something like that? Was that higher than that? We were talking about it the other day, but I don’t think we ever researched the the actual number. But it’s significant enough where you’re like, woah. You’re you’re running around the world with a 85 IQ.
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02:25:59
It’s hard. Well, you kinda wonder about the IQ test. Right? I I mean, it was what was it called? The Stanford Binet test. It was, you know, developed way long ago. Meh not really meh all aspects of intelligence. So
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02:26:13
That’s true.
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02:26:14
It, you know, meh be somewhere within ai point IQ is, you know, smart in other ways, like emotionally intelligent, for example.
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02:26:22
Okay. So with a 70 Ai, you have ai 2%, 2 point something percent of the people. Yeah. When you get to ai, you have 13.6%. So 13.6% have an IQ at 85 or below. Mhmm. That’s a lot. 34% is a 100 to 85.
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02:26:49
Alright. But you have
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02:26:50
to also factor in education. Right? Like, to take an IQ test, you have to be able to understand concepts, you have to be able to solve problems, and and you most likely would have have to have been exposed to many problems when you were younger for you to understand how these work.
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02:27:07
And some people have had a very poor education, and they might be intelligent. They might be very emotionally intelligent.
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02:27:12
Right. Right. Yeah. That was what I was thinking is that, yeah, it would be a different scale of intelligence than than your, you know, purely cognitive.
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02:27:21
Right. Right.
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02:27:23
Yeah. Well, that’s one of the interesting elements about, you know, genetic engineering of the humans. You know, there is a big article in something I was reading. Oh, Ecstatic Integration is a newsletter put out by Jules Evans, a friend. And, he, you know, dove into, you know, genetic engineering on the fetuses.
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02:27:44
You know, like, you can have a 3 DNA fetus or or embryo, you know, like the mom, the dad, and some super smart person or actually super unathletic person. You know? So you could do, like, you know, chimera almost in, you know, the human situation.
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02:28:02
Woah. That’s probably already happened.
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02:28:06
Yeah. It is happening offshore. Yeah. Yeah. That was, you know, the gist of,
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02:28:10
you know, the Ai probably creating a race of super people.
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02:28:13
Well, the first, you know, genetic engineering of, you know, the fetus occurred in China. It was a, you know, fellow working to develop HIV.
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02:28:22
That’s what he says. Yeah. Yeah. But it accidentally made them ai acute.
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02:28:27
Mhmm.
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02:28:28
Accidentally. Yeah.
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02:28:30
Well, so that guy’s back at work. Yeah.
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02:28:32
Yeah. Well, he went to jail for a little bit.
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02:28:34
Right. Yeah. He’s got a big lab, lots of, you know, funding.
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02:28:37
It’s kinda weird. They it seems like they kinda made him a scapegoat a little bit, which they tend to do over there.
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02:28:44
Well, you think that in a lot of ways, you know, that he would be celebrated. Like, you know, for example, the Scottish, you know, scientists that, you know, cloned that sheep.
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02:28:52
Mhmm. Dolly. Yeah.
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02:28:53
Yeah. You know, they were heroes.
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02:28:55
Sure.
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02:28:56
Yeah.
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02:28:56
But I think we think very differently about it when it’s being done with people. We get super nervous, especially if you’re gonna be the first person that does it. There’s gonna be a lot of outrage. And I think some of that outrage is gonna be by people that wish they did it first. Mhmm.
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02:29:09
So they’re gonna be pretending that this is horrible that you’ve done this. Alright. They were scooped. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:29:14
Ai wonder if there is that kind of reaction with the first heart transplant or the first, yeah, kidney transplant. If the originators of the methodology were, you know, demonized because, you know, they were, like, you know, putting somebody else’s heart in your place in your It has
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02:29:29
to be. Right? Especially well, we’re lucky that it was done in the 20th century. Imagine if it had been done in the 18th century or the 16th century. You know, if you in the 1500 said, okay. I know how to save you. This guy just got run over by a wagon. I’m gonna take his heart out.
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02:29:43
I’m gonna cut you open, put his heart into you. Ai, what?
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02:29:47
Right.
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02:29:47
And that would have even worked because your body would have rejected it back then because they didn’t have the proper drugs that allowed people to accept other people’s organs and suppress your immune system. So your immune system doesn’t reject the organ.
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02:29:59
Mhmm. Yeah. Ai never was in a heart transplant, operating theater. You know, once in an emergency room, actually, I was able to, you know, crack somebody’s chest open and work on their heart, you know, kind of Woah. Help, you know, give it the massage. Well, the person, you know, was quite sick. He was dying, and we, you know, tried everything. Well, you know, like, everything.
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02:30:25
You know, like, we used I’m a I’m a defibrillator, we, we, you know, put some epinephrine in a big syringe, put it through his chest, into his heart, didn’t help. And, you know, the last thing that we could do was do open heart massage. Wow. Yeah. O open chest massage. Yo. It’s crazy. It’s crazy. Yeah.
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02:30:48
And, you know, like, you know, there arya bunch of, ai, a number of, you know, students around, and we each took turns, you know, like squeezing it and feel it was pretty
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02:30:57
Did the guy last
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02:30:58
after that? No. No. But, you know, by the time you open up somebody’s chest and start squeezing their heart with your hands, yeah, it’s kind of
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02:31:05
So did he make it through that day, or how long did he live for?
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02:31:07
No. He No? Ai mean, he never woke up. Oh, Jesus. You know, medical training is a pretty interesting experience. You know, the, you know, the kinds of things that you learn to do to the human body and the kinds of things that, you know, people let you do to them because you’re a physician.
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02:31:26
It’s a very interesting development of a role. You know, like, for example, when we first started working in the hospitals, you know, there’s a dress code. You know, this was 1976 or so. And, then, you know, like, you know, there were lots of hippies in my class and, and, you know, the dress code was to wear a tie.
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02:31:46
And, you know, the hippies were saying, oh, forget ties. And, you know, the teacher said, think what your mother would want to see her doctor wearing. And everybody got all kinda guilt ridden in, oh, yeah. Okay. Our mom would like to see us wear a tie. Right. Yeah.
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02:32:01
You know, ai, you you’re working to a role. You’re ai, you know, how you look and how you talk and how you Sure. Carry yourself. Yeah. It’s a very interesting, you know, conditioning, you know, social conditioning.
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02:32:15
And you have an extreme position of authority.
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02:32:19
Yeah. I mean, you could ask people, you know, to do things that, you know, you know, that nobody else would ask them and that they wouldn’t even entertain if anybody else sai asked them. Yeah. It’s a very privileged position. It’s very cool if you know what you’re doing
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02:32:35
and you Oh, yeah.
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02:32:36
And you don’t let it go to your head. But, yeah, it’s a unique apprenticeship.
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02:32:42
Yeah. And they can do some wild things today. I mean, I’m living proof of it. I’ve had 3 knee operations, 2 knee reconstructions.
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02:32:50
Yeah. I was well, a couple of years ago when I was out here for the first time, you were having some bleeding into your knee ai I remember.
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02:32:59
Bleeding? Swelling? Like,
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02:33:01
swelling? Some some bad swelling at least. Yeah. You know, maybe they withdrew some, you know, some blood from that joint?
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02:33:08
Oh, you know what it was probably? I had probably had what’s called regenikene. So regenikeen is when they take your blood out and it’s ai platelet rich plasma, but they spin it in this centrifuge and it creates this, like, yellow liquid, which is like a super potent anti inflammatory, and then they had injected it into my knees.
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02:33:28
Okay.
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02:33:28
It yeah. It’s it really helps heal things. I had it done in my back. I had it done in my knees. It’s amazing stuff.
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02:33:34
Yeah. So you’ve gotten a bunch of knee surgery.
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02:33:38
Yes. Yeah. My knees are pretty beat up. My back’s pretty beat up, and my knees are pretty beat up.
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02:33:42
That’s ram your martial arts? Yeah. Yeah. Most of it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do you have a knee replacement?
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02:33:47
Or just No. I don’t need that. No. It’s not that bad. Yeah. Not nearly as bad. But, quite a few people I know have one. My friend, Matt, got one. He is a former UFC, welterweight champion, Matt Cera. He’s younger than me. He has a knee replacement. My friend, Michael Bisping, he was a former UFC middleweight champion. He has both of his knees replaced. He has 2 artificial knees.
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02:34:06
Yeah. And they’re doing okay with their new knees.
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02:34:09
Yeah. I meh, better. Right? Like, he was in severe they’re in severe pain to the point where they just couldn’t take it anymore, and they can do some pretty amazing things with resurfacing of the knees now. They Right. You know, these titanium heads, have you seen them? Yeah. They’re pretty incredible. Yeah.
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02:34:23
They lop off the end of your knee, screw in this new one, and it just functions.
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02:34:28
Uh-huh.
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02:34:29
My feeling the fear I have though, my fear is that it’s only good for, like, 20 years or so. And then what do you gotta do? You gotta go back in there and lop off it again and put a new one in?
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02:34:41
Yeah. Well, they may have some new development That’s
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02:34:43
what you would hope so.
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02:34:44
Yeah. You You would
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02:34:45
hope so. But I mean, you’re banking on that. Mhmm. You’re, like, essentially making a bet that, okay, you could chop off the end of my knee and in 20 years, they’re gonna have some new thing. The thing that would give me pause today, and I’m, again, I’m not giving medical ai, but if today, biologics are coming so far that they arya able to regenerate, both meniscus tissue and, also, cartilage.
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02:35:13
So they can do that now. And there was a study in Australia where they did that recently, and I think there’s something else going on somewhere in the United States where they’re showing promise in that regard. So I think if people could just hang in there for a little longer according to my friend Brigham, who, owns Waste2Well, which is a stem cell clinic out here, he is convinced that these kind of, like, super invasive surgeries are gonna be a thing of the past.
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02:35:40
They’re gonna be able to regrow tissue and, fix like, literally fix knee problems, back problems, things along those lines.
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02:35:49
Neck problems.
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02:35:50
Neck problems.
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02:35:50
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:35:51
We’re already doing a lot of that in Meh. Uh-huh. Where, there’s places like the CPI, the Cellular Performance Institute. I had a friend of mine, Shane Dorian. He’s a big wave surfer. You know, I can imagine it’s a pounding thing in your back and crushed by a 50 foot wave, you know.
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02:36:08
And, he, had it done to his spine where they go into your discs and they inject stem cells into each individual disc. They actually put you under and you’re supposed to ai be, you know, real relaxed for the next ai 6 weeks. No no heavy exercise at all. You can just kinda go walking. And after a while, it starts to kick in, and now he has no back pain anymore.
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02:36:32
Yeah. Is he back surfing? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stem cells. Well, you know, psychedelics affect the, you know, formation of stem cells into new neurons. That’s called neurogenesis.
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02:36:43
Yeah.
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02:36:43
Yeah. So,
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02:36:45
Psilocybin in particular. Right?
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02:36:46
Psilocybin, Ketamine, DMT.
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02:36:48
Doesn’t lion’s mane do that as well, though? Ai, non sai mushrooms?
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02:36:52
I don’t know.
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02:36:54
Sai if Lion’s Mane creates neurogenesis. I think it does.
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02:36:58
Yeah. Paul Stamets would know.
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02:37:00
I think that’s one of the things that Paul Stamets talked about was doing it in a speak. Like doing psilocybin along with yeah. Now exactly what it was. Lion’s mane mushrooms can promote neurogenesis and enhance memory. Yeah. I take that stuff. I take lion’s mane all the time.
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02:37:17
And I always wonder how shit would my memory be if I didn’t take it.
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02:37:23
Yeah. When I was recovering, I spoke to Paul and said, help me. I need help. Mhmm.
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02:37:27
He
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02:37:27
said ai mane. Yeah.
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02:37:28
He gave me that giant mushroom, that thing on the desk over there. That’s what that is. That big log looking thing.
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02:37:35
Oh, that’s a mushroom?
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02:37:36
That’s a mushroom. Yeah. It’s a It’s a huge one.
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02:37:37
I was wondering what that was.
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02:37:39
Yeah. That’s a mushroom. That’s Paul Stamets brought me a mushroom.
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02:37:41
Yeah. Nice.
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02:37:42
Yeah. He’s a fascinating character.
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02:37:44
Yeah. I like Paul.
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02:37:45
Great guy.
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02:37:45
Yeah. He’s a great guy.
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02:37:46
I think he just got something replaced, like sai hip a hip or a knee. Yeah. Something along those lines.
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02:37:53
Well, you know, my, you know, friends that have had knee replacements, they’re out skiing. They’re playing golf. Yeah. They’ve really had, you know, a miraculous turnaround.
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02:38:03
Yeah. You could do amazing things now. It’s, incredible. I just think that we’re real close to not needing a fake one.
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02:38:10
Mhmm.
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02:38:11
Real close to being able to generate new ones.
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02:38:14
Well, you know, the organ Ai would like to replace with my eyes. I’ve I’ve been ai, as a kid, I’ve been nearsighted and nearsighted and more nearsighted. So I Ai would love to have artificial eyes if if, you know, they worked out,
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02:38:26
you know. That’s what we were talking about earlier that they’re going to be able to do that someday.
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02:38:30
Yeah. Yeah. Ai be happy with that. I might wait around as long as I can to get some like, I can see pretty pretty well if it’s if the environment is brightly lit. You know, but you know, but if it gets, you know, dark or dim, it’s it becomes difficult.
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02:38:43
Dude, you’re gonna be able to see through walls. See if you can find that article about potential, because there’s not it’s not just Neuralink. There’s a few other competing companies that are doing very similar things, and, one of them are very confident they’re gonna be able to restore sight.
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02:38:58
In how many years?
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02:39:00
I don’t know. And then on top of that, the possibility is enhanced vision. And that’s what we’re talking about, ai, being able to, you know, see, like, warm things, like in
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02:39:12
Called blindsight?
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02:39:13
Ai device being developed to restore vision and people have lost their sight. No. There was one that was saying you’re gonna be able to have infrared, night vision, a bunch of different possibilities on top of, the fact they’re gonna be able to restore sight that eventually I don’t know how you Google this.
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02:39:34
That wasn’t just restoring meh, excuse me, restoring vision, but enhanced vision. And then it’s gonna be far I think they’re promising vision far greater than what human beings are personally capable of.
Speaker: 0
02:39:48
Ai enables superhuman vision beyond natural limits ai infrared becomes cognitive process, not just biological. That’s Yeah. That’s what blindsight is.
Speaker: 2
02:39:55
Cognitive. Okay. So that is the same neural link thing. And then on top of that, you’re gonna be able to, like, zoom out. Mhmm.
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02:40:01
So, you
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02:40:01
know, like, you ever take, like, a Samsung phone, they have a 100 x zoom, and you could just zoom in on something, like, way in the distance. Like, wow. That’s crazy. Yeah. You can really zoom in on stuff. Yeah. You’re gonna be able to do that with your eyeballs.
Speaker: 1
02:40:13
Yeah. A feature enhancement too.
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02:40:16
Yeah. Yeah. You can be able to see people look way better than they really look. Just put a filter on. Yeah. Everybody’s beautiful.
Speaker: 0
02:40:21
Yeah. That’s what Elon said on a tweet about it.
Speaker: 2
02:40:24
Yeah. So there it is. Musk explained the blindsight device for Neuralink will enable even those who have lost both eyes and their optic nerve to see. Provided the visual cortex is intact, it will even may enable those who have been blind from birth to see for the first time.
Speaker: 2
02:40:40
Here’s the part that truly expands the horizons of what we think visions can be. At first, the vision will be low resolution ai Atari graphics, but, eventually, it has the potential to be better than natural vision and enable you to see in infrared, ultraviolet, or even radar wavelengths, but ai Geordie LaForge.
Speaker: 2
02:40:57
Who’s Geordie LaForge?
Speaker: 1
02:40:58
Star Trek. Oh. Well, I mean, that’d be a lot of information, wouldn’t it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what would you do with vatsal?
Speaker: 2
02:41:07
Depends on what you ai to do, you know. I guess if you try to try find people hiding in the woods, you could be able to see them.
Speaker: 1
02:41:14
Yeah. Or become a or even become a, you know, philosopher. I mean, with with with, you know, those enhanced, you know, processes, I mean, you could kind of, you know, direct it in any way you that you’d like.
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02:41:27
Do you think that, enhancing the human body like this is what the future of humanity holds?
Speaker: 1
02:41:35
I think it’s a stage we’ll go through. Yeah? Yeah. I’m not sure how far along it’ll take us. It may just end in our demise.
Speaker: 2
02:41:43
Oh.
Speaker: 1
02:41:44
But I think it’s a stage where that we obviously are, you know, passing into now.
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02:41:48
Some people think that’s the mark of the beast from the Bible. Mhmm. You know, the the the people who get the chip. Mhmm.
Speaker: 1
02:41:56
The mark of the beast. Isn’t that on the forehead ram
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02:41:58
Maybe that’s the best spot for it.
Speaker: 1
02:42:00
It’s yeah. 666 is is the mark of the beast.
Speaker: 2
02:42:03
Right. Yeah. But isn’t that that, like, open to interpretation? Shah does it say in the you’ve read the original one. What is the mark of the beast in the Hebrew Ai, ancient?
Speaker: 1
02:42:12
Yeah. Yeah. That’s the Christian Bible. That’s the book of Revelation. That’s the New Testament, which I have not read, amazingly enough.
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02:42:21
How come?
Speaker: 1
02:42:22
Well, I’m too busy.
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02:42:24
In ancient Hebrew.
Speaker: 1
02:42:25
Yeah. Yeah. I have enough to study as in the Hebrew Bible.
Speaker: 2
02:42:28
Yeah. Yeah. It’s, I mean, if you were gonna prophesize about the end of humanity, you’d probably ai someone accepting some sort of a chip in their brain and everybody being forced to do it, some matrix type situation. I could see why people would see that this and it it ai be just the inevitable transition from biological to cyborg that we’re probably gonna have to go through anyway.
Speaker: 1
02:42:59
Well, the end of the world will, you know, at least according to, you know, certain, you know, traditions on as Harold did by the antichrist. And the antichrist is the master of the lie. Mhmm. You know, so I think, you know, it’s interesting to kind of use that perspective, as a way of seeing, you know, where the future on this heading.
Speaker: 2
02:43:23
So the antichrist is mass media.
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02:43:25
It’s the master of the lie.
Speaker: 2
02:43:27
Yeah. Yeah. Mass media is the master of the lie. Mhmm. Corporate media is the master of the lie. Corporate media is the antichrist. Corporate media leads us into wars, justifies all kinds of crazy things that we do. We take over foreign governments and install our own puppet dictators and have everybody convinced that it’s a good thing.
Speaker: 1
02:43:45
Yeah. Well, the concept of, of the antichrist is is very old, you know, 2000 years. And you’re ai, you have Christ, you’ve got the antichrist. Mhmm. So, you know, there’s a god and there’s a, you know, demiurge. Yeah. So it’s a it’s it’s a notion that has carried a lot of weight for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. So you think that the the media is the ai?
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02:44:09
Well, I think
Speaker: 1
02:44:10
Or, you know, could be seen as?
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02:44:12
Well, you could see corporations as being in sort of, a demonic state. So if you have an obligation to your shareholders to consistently provide higher and higher profits every quarter, and in order to do that, you have to do things that will cost people lives and destroy people’s lives.
Speaker: 2
02:44:32
Like, for instance, the Sackler family that got everybody hooked on opioids. Is that not demonic? That seems very demonic. And if I was under the throes of its spell, if I had gotten caught up in opioids, Ai it would be very similar to being possessed by demons, having your life ruined by devils.
Speaker: 2
02:44:55
Very similar at least in result. Right? Especially if you wind up committing crimes because you wanna get your drugs, you wind up in jail, your life is over, maybe you destroy other people’s lives. It’s very demonic in that way and and, like, in the result, in the end result.
Speaker: 1
02:45:10
Mhmm.
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02:45:11
The end result is evil.
Speaker: 1
02:45:13
Oh, well, you know, look at the opium wars in China.
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02:45:16
Mhmm.
Speaker: 1
02:45:17
You know, the British imported opium, and there’s a huge opium addiction problem in China. Mhmm. And, yeah, it was, you know, seen as a demonic scourge, you know, like a diabolical affliction.
Speaker: 2
02:45:30
And in its result, it is demonic. It’s just we’re we’re we’re, like, hung up on pitchfork, fork tail, horns, demon. You know? But but in action, it’s clearly demonstrably demonic.
Speaker: 1
02:45:47
Well, demonic in what way?
Speaker: 2
02:45:50
Okay. If you can lie about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and you can justify an invasion of Iraq based on these clear lies. And then through that invasion, 500,000 children starved to death because of embargoes. Countless people are killed that didn’t have to be killed, loss of at least a 1000000 lives over the course of the entire war and then the starving people afterwards.
Speaker: 2
02:46:19
Mhmm. Well, that’s demonic. Isn’t that for those people?
Speaker: 1
02:46:24
Well, does that mean that you, you know, believe in the devil or Satan?
Speaker: 2
02:46:30
I don’t know what I believe in and what I don’t believe in because I haven’t experienced it. Maybe if I experienced Satan, I’d be like, wow, Satan’s real. But you’re allowed to believe in God. But as soon as you start saying you believe in the devil, people look at you ai, you know.
Speaker: 2
02:46:43
Like, you could be the president and you can sai, God bless our troops. Mhmm. Nobody vatsal an eye. But if you say the problem with America is the devil Mhmm. And we will find the devil, and we will root him out of our our world.
Speaker: 2
02:46:55
And, that’s what we’re gonna spend all your tax dollars on now.
Speaker: 1
02:46:59
Yeah. I mean, in like, you could,
Speaker: 2
02:47:02
I think good and evil are real things.
Speaker: 1
02:47:04
You can pray for God to bless their troops, and you could, you know, pray for protection from Satan’s influence on the troops if you were able to put the 2, like, on
Speaker: 2
02:47:16
Ai as soon as you bring up Satan publicly, you lose all the secular people. Right? You can sai you can you could praise God and people go, oh, it’s in the fucking steps. You know, pledge of allegiance is normal.
Speaker: 1
02:47:29
Whatever. Yeah.
Speaker: 2
02:47:30
But it wasn’t even until what was it? Like, Teddy Roosevelt? Like, who put pledge of allegiance in? It was when we were battling the communists, and that’s when God got put into the pledge of allegiance.
Speaker: 1
02:47:41
Mhmm.
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02:47:42
Well, you believe in good and evil.
Speaker: 1
02:47:45
Ai, I I think what occurs is the more people do good, the stronger the force of good is. And the more that do evil, the stronger, you know, the force of of evil is.
Speaker: 2
02:47:55
And then you have the holocaust.
Speaker: 1
02:47:56
Well, you know, like, you know, how do you perceive that force? Is it just energy, or do you anthropomorphize it into, like, a being that you can, you know, recognize and think about?
Speaker: 2
02:48:08
Right. But there’s kind of no denying, at least ram a recognizable if you had to, like, look, how do you quantify it? How do you measure it? There’s no denying that evil takes place, you know. Like the you you you could come up with any number of massacres throughout history and you say that’s an that’s an evil act.
Speaker: 1
02:48:33
There’s no question.
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02:48:34
Right.
Speaker: 1
02:48:34
Right.
Speaker: 2
02:48:34
Right. So evil is a thing that’s real.
Speaker: 1
02:48:37
If if there’s good, there’s evil.
Speaker: 2
02:48:38
Right.
Speaker: 1
02:48:38
Yeah.
Speaker: 2
02:48:39
And then there have been many, many things that people have done. They’re like, wow. Good exists in the world. There is still good. So we know both those things are real things. We just don’t know what’s the root of them all and is are there really angels and demons? Are all the are those the scapegoats for this bizarre dance of good and evil that just exists in the world? Mhmm.
Speaker: 1
02:49:01
Well, if, you know, if it weren’t, you know, for Adam and Eve eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Right. There wouldn’t be any perception of good and evil. It’d just be true or false, you know, which is, you know, the reason that Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden because at in the beginning, it was, you know, they were living in a world of either, you know, truth or falsehood.
Speaker: 2
02:49:26
You’re right.
Speaker: 1
02:49:26
And after eating the fruit of the difference between good and evil, they became opinionated. Oh, that’s good. I like it. That’s bad. I don’t like it. But the issue of true or or, you know, false got, you you became, you know, muddled.
Speaker: 2
02:49:42
Yeah.
Speaker: 1
02:49:42
And they no longer were fit inhabitants of, you know, the Garden of Eden, a paradise.
Speaker: 2
02:49:47
What’s your take on Lilith?
Speaker: 1
02:49:50
Well, yeah. Yeah. Lilith. Well, there’s no mention of her in the Ai per se, but there’s a lot of mention of her in the rabbinic literature that, sprung up after the Bible. Meh. Yeah. The story is that I think after Cain killed Abel, you know, that Adam no. No. It was it that after that? I no.
Speaker: 1
02:50:11
I I think it was after Adam and Eve were expelled from their garden, you know, that they stopped having sex. So Adam, you know, then was just sleeping, you know, with Lilith, and they spawned innumerable demons as a result of their relationship. Yeah. And after a while, Adam and Eve, you know, reconciled and, you know, they got the things together again.
Speaker: 2
02:50:35
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, but Lilith,
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02:50:36
you know, plays a role in the understanding of evil in the world. Like, it’s the result of the spawn of Lilith.
Speaker: 2
02:50:42
What do you think Lilith was originally? Who was that? If it was a ai.
Speaker: 1
02:50:47
Yeah. I don’t know. Well, that’s called, you know, Midrash. It’s the explication of the Ai, you know, by the rabbis. You know, so this was called extra biblical. Ah. Yeah. And I’ve only looked into extra biblical stuff to a certain extent.
Speaker: 2
02:51:03
What’s the source of that stuff?
Speaker: 1
02:51:05
The imagination. And I think, you know, the surrounding, environment, ai know, societies, you know, culture in influenced by the Greeks, the Sumerians, the Acadians, the Hittites. You know, there’s a lot of, you know, accumulation of other, you know, cultures onto, interpreting, you know, the stories that occur in the text.
Speaker: 1
02:51:27
A lot of, you know, fanciful, things, and entertaining things. Like, for example, Lilith is the, you know, source of the, you know, demonic entities out there.
Speaker: 2
02:51:40
Yeah. I found out about Lilith, like, 6 months ago.
Speaker: 1
02:51:43
Oh, really?
Speaker: 2
02:51:44
Yeah. I never even heard about it. Do you remember when we found out about Lilith? Somebody brought it up on a show. Right?
Speaker: 1
02:51:48
Yeah. Who brought it up? I’m wondering.
Speaker: 2
02:51:50
I don’t meh, but I was like, what? Who’s Lilith?
Speaker: 1
02:51:52
Yeah. Was it Jordan Peterson?
Speaker: 2
02:51:53
It could have been. Yeah.
Speaker: 1
02:51:54
But Very possible. He’s a a keen student of the Bible.
Speaker: 2
02:51:58
Very possible. Yeah. Yeah. I I do not remember though. But I remember thinking like, wow. Like and then the original story, like so when you’re talking about the biblical translations of the Adam and Eve story that we’re all accustomed to, It’s all a watered down sort of a strange translated version of the ancient Hebrew.
Speaker: 2
02:52:16
But you’ve read the vatsal ancient Hebrew version of it. Like, how what did you get out of it? Like, what did you
Speaker: 1
02:52:23
Well, you know, most of the translations of the Hebrew Bible are quite good. Like, you know, the King James version is, it’s, you know, very accurate. Yeah. It’s a bit, you know, stilted. And
Speaker: 2
02:52:33
Is there anything missing in the translation from when you read it in ancient Hebrew, or do you
Speaker: 1
02:52:38
think it’s pretty clear? It’s, you you know, fairly one to one correspondence between the Hebrew words and the English translation. You know, certain things are interpreted through a Christian lens because the Christians wrote the King James Bible translation.
Speaker: 2
02:52:51
Right.
Speaker: 1
02:52:52
Yeah. You know, but, you know, the words and their grammar and the narratives, you know, they’re, you know, pretty much accurate. Yeah. Then you you know, the they spent a lot of time working on painstaking, you know, translations, you know. So, you know, there was a responsibility, you know, to do it accurately.
Speaker: 1
02:53:11
Imagine that story,
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02:53:13
like, trying to, like, pass that one down for a 1000 years. Yeah. Well, Ai can’t. So there was only 2 people, and then there was an apple. Right. And a snake talked Eve into eating that apple, and everything got fucked.
Speaker: 1
02:53:26
Yeah. Yeah. It’s a it’s a very strange story, isn’t it?
Speaker: 2
02:53:29
Very strange story. What do
Speaker: 1
02:53:30
you think it really was all about? I think there were 2 people named Adam and Eve. For real? As if they were real.
Speaker: 2
02:53:39
What do you mean by that?
Speaker: 1
02:53:41
Well, if you imagine that there was an Adam and Eve and you visualize the garden they were in and the speak and their interactions, you know, there you have it.
Speaker: 2
02:53:50
So you think the biblical interpretation is a literal recalling of actual events that took place?
Speaker: 1
02:53:58
No. No. Ai don’t think that. Well, you know, it’s like if you smoke DMT and you enter into this world, it’s true. It’s overwhelmingly convincing. It’s got its own, you know, laws, its its own, you know, system. You you know, things are, you know, things are regular. Like, certain things happen.
Speaker: 1
02:54:18
Certain interactions take place. Yeah. And you’re there. You’re convinced it’s really you interact with it to the best of your ability. Mhmm. You know?
Speaker: 1
02:54:26
So I think, you know, that’s the case with the narratives in, in the text. It’s it’s not it it isn’t a matter of interpreting what they mean as much as understanding what happened.
Speaker: 2
02:54:40
Boy, that’s obscure. So it’s not interpreting what they meh, but understanding what happened.
Speaker: 1
02:54:46
Yeah. You know, like like, you know, what did the snake say to Eve?
Speaker: 2
02:54:50
So a snake really talked to Eve, though?
Speaker: 1
02:54:52
It was as if a snake talked to
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02:54:54
Eve. As if. Yeah. So perhaps a psychedelic experience, perhaps an altered state of consciousness?
Speaker: 1
02:55:02
No. I think it was a case of a woman standing near a tree and a snake coming up to your and saying certain things, and do they have a conversation?
Speaker: 2
02:55:11
For real? For real?
Speaker: 1
02:55:13
As if it were real. Well, you know, the stories have been told so many times. Right. That’s the problem. And, you know, they they seem
Speaker: 2
02:55:23
well, if if you Seems like you’re blaming everything on Eve too, which is ai a little suspect. No. Hearse out of it.
Speaker: 1
02:55:30
Well, the one who got, you know, punished without even having a chance to explain himself was the snake. And, you know, so God asks Adam what happened, and he asks, you know, Eve what happened, and he just, you know, lays it on the snake.
Speaker: 2
02:55:43
Right. Yeah. And the snake’s like, I didn’t tell her anything. I can’t even talk. This lady wanted to eat that apple, and she blamed me.
Speaker: 1
02:55:50
Well, back then, snakes could talk, or in that world, snakes talk. How so? Well, you know, they were the wisest of all the animals in the arya. So, you know, they could speak.
Speaker: 2
02:56:04
Right. But you you speak of these things as if, like, we’re talking about when you go to the zoo, the monkeys swing from the vines. It’s normal. Snakes talk.
Speaker: 1
02:56:14
Well, it’s a bit of a paradox. Yeah. You know, like, if if you
Speaker: 2
02:56:20
Let me ask you this.
Speaker: 1
02:56:21
You know, so if you, you know, treat those stories as if they were real Uh-huh. You’re you’re opening yourself up to this universe of Adam and Eve were in the garden, then they had Cain and Abel. You know, Cain killed Abel, then, yeah, Cain had children. And his, you know, children begot the 70 nations, and then there was a flood because mankind was bad. Mhmm.
Speaker: 1
02:56:45
You know, Noah and his family survived. They all spoke one language afterwards. There’s on the tower. You know, there’s Nimrod. There’s Abraham. There is Isaac and Jacob. You know?
Speaker: 1
02:56:56
So it’s this world, which, seems to be quite coherent, quite consistent. It all, you know, ties together. It’s quite consistent from book to book of you know, from narrative to narrative. You know, it it is a different way of looking at the Bible. It isn’t, you know, dogma, ai, you have to do this or you have to do that, or it isn’t ai a Jungian archetype or a psychodynamic, you know, wish fulfillment.
Speaker: 1
02:57:19
It’s that this world that, you know, that is articulated, spelled out, in a very ancient, very influential text.
Speaker: 2
02:57:31
Sai is it also possible that something completely different took place, with that over time and over a oral tradition of who knows how many 100 of years before they actually wrote it down and then writing it down, that you’re getting a version of the actual event that’s very different Mhmm. Than what really took place. But you think about it ai the version in the scripture. Mhmm.
Speaker: 2
02:58:00
And if you think about it in the version of the scripture, are you are you thinking about it ai as if this was an event as recorded? Or are you thinking this is a representation of an archetype or some sort of moment in human history that they’re trying to recollect and and pass down?
Speaker: 1
02:58:22
Well, if you consider yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if you consider, you know, the text to be prophetically received, your prophecy is communication between the divine and sana. And, you know, the text was prophetically received. In fact, you know, Philo of Alexandria, who you know, one of, you know, Terrence McKenna’s, heroes, used to say, you know, the most accurate historians were the prophets, you know, because they heard it, you know, directly, you know, from the initiator of the event, the witness of the event, the one who, you know, could understand the event in the huge context.
Speaker: 1
02:58:58
You know, so it’s a, you know, prophetically received, you know, text, which means it contains information received from a spiritual sort of level, which you would think is a universal field of sorts.
Speaker: 2
02:59:15
How much have you ever paid attention, if at all, to any of that, ancient Sumerian stuff ai the Anunnaki and
Speaker: 1
02:59:23
Some. Some. Yeah. I watched this really great documentary a few years back. Yeah. You know, but I, you know, but, you know, but I wouldn’t, you know, consider myself as knowing much about it.
Speaker: 2
02:59:38
Right. That to me is, one of the weirder origin stories.
Speaker: 1
02:59:43
Yeah. Yeah. So what is that origin story? I’ve you’ve ram I ram I recalling ai fascinated, but, you know, not the details.
Speaker: 2
02:59:52
Well, there’s very there’s multiple versions of it. First of all, the the story of this the the the fantastic story is told by Zecharia Sitchin. So Zecharia Sitchin who wrote The 12th Planet and he wrote, several other books, he was a, biblical scholar and a linguist, and he spent a lot of time, studying the ancient Sumerian text, the cuneiform.
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03:00:16
And what he believes is that it tells a story of an ancient relationship between, a race of beings on a far distant planet that’s in an elliptical orbit and it comes near earth every 3,600 years and that they had engineered human beings out of lower primates. They had, like, accelerated our evolution and, that all of what we know about the cosmos, all of what we know about, you know, ai, they have these detailed I don’t see the ancient tablets that have a detailed map of the solar system from 6000 years ago.
Speaker: 1
03:00:56
Right.
Speaker: 2
03:00:56
Okay. The sana in the center and all the moon, and they have these really enormous beings. And these enormous beings were supposed to be these things called the Anunnaki.
Speaker: 1
03:01:06
Okay.
Speaker: 2
03:01:06
And the literal translation is those from heaven to earth came. Uh-huh. It’s it’s one of the weirder like, if you love a great science fiction version of the origin story of humans, it’s the most fun one.
Speaker: 1
03:01:19
Yeah. It, you know, brings to mind, you know, the sons of God. You know, the Bene Elohim, which occurred in the story ai, the flood and, Noah. Mhmm.
Speaker: 2
03:01:32
The Nephilim too.
Speaker: 1
03:01:33
Yeah. Yeah. The Nephilim, the Rephaim, they were huge. They were giants. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meh of renown. Yeah. Yeah. And they intermarried or they had, you know, sex with the daughters of meh. And, you know, from them, you know, came a race. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so that story is interpreted or perceived, you know, through the lens of the Hebrew Ai too.
Speaker: 2
03:01:52
Really?
Speaker: 1
03:01:53
Yeah. Well, there are you know, that is a story in the text, you know, before the flood, is, you know, the the the the Elohim, you know, come down to earth. They have con have intercourse with, you know, the daughters of meh. And out of, and and out of those relationships, you know, comes this, you know, race of giants.
Speaker: 2
03:02:19
That’s the most fun one. Yeah. Yeah. Isn’t it?
Speaker: 1
03:02:22
Well, they all got swept away in the flood. You know, so that’s an interesting, you know, turn of events.
Speaker: 2
03:02:29
Well, if you interpret the flood as the Younger Ai impact theory, which created the flood. Mhmm. Which lines up.
Speaker: 1
03:02:35
Right. Right. That does line up.
Speaker: 2
03:02:37
Yeah. It lines up time wise, lines up with how it would go down. Yeah. Just no evidence of giants. That’s the only thing we’re missing. If they found some giants Mhmm.
Speaker: 1
03:02:46
Well, in the meantime, you can assume that the giants were, you know, were real and and and, you know, understand their origin, what they were like, you know, what they did, why they did it, what the results were.
Speaker: 2
03:02:59
Yeah. The bizarre thing is they they’ve isolated this area outside of the Kuiper Belt where they believe there’s a large planetary body that might be multiple times larger than Earth that exists out there right where you would imagine that this thing is, if there really is some sort of a planet
Speaker: 1
03:03:17
Yeah.
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03:03:17
That comes close to us with a super advanced beings.
Speaker: 1
03:03:20
Yeah. I think I’ve heard of that actually. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: 2
03:03:23
That it gets fun. Those get fun. Those those Ai put away rational thought just to pay attention to that stuff.
Speaker: 1
03:03:30
Well and if it were true, you you know, you know, then what?
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Well, if it were true, that sort of is what everyone’s seeing when they’re seeing UFOs and UAPs. They’re probably visiting or they probably are always here. They’re probably watching to make sure we don’t blow ourselves up and probably assisting us, on our journey of evolving past this primitive violent state that we currently find ourselves in.
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03:04:00
1 would hope.
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03:04:01
1 would hope.
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03:04:02
Yeah. Yeah. Or they could be just, you know, doing the opposite that they may be stirring up trouble.
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03:04:09
Maybe. Maybe they ai that people need trouble in order to get things done, in order to join the Galactic Federation. We have to figure out a way to, get off the planet. The best way to get off the planet is develop superior weapons.
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03:04:22
Yeah. You know, kind of withdraw from the brink of the precipice. Right. That’s, you know, that’s the story of humanity, basically, isn’t it?
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03:04:29
Yeah. It is. But that’s what’s interesting about origin stories. Right? And that’s what’s interesting about the biblical texts is that there are these stories about things that have gone horribly wrong and influences different things that happened to humanity and different cataclysms and disasters, and these stories are shared through different cultures, which is really interesting.
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03:04:51
Like, the in the epic of Gilgamesh, there’s a a flood story. Mhmm. Real similar.
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03:04:56
Yeah. Yeah. You know, most of the if, you, most of the Middle East has got a flood story and origin story.
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03:05:06
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes you wonder.
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03:05:09
Well, it makes you wonder if it’s true. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that’s why I think, like, you know, studying one particular, you know, tradition in great detail can, you know, kind of, you know, help you, you know, kinda resonate with ones that are more universal.
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03:05:26
Yeah. Well, that one is so common, which is really interesting when you see the ai, the Younger Dryas Impact Theory evidence. Like, of course, 11,000 plus years ago, this is probably what happened. The story gets passed around forever and ever, and everyone sort of remembers it.
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03:05:44
And
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03:05:45
Yeah. Well, do you like Graham’s documentaries?
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03:05:47
Yeah. I do.
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03:05:48
Yeah. Yeah. The other Netflix ones. They’re fascinating. Yeah.
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03:05:51
I don’t like all the anger that comes out of it. All the people that get mad at him and Uh-huh. The disparaging remarks and how some archaeologists have, like, severely overreacted to it as if it’s some horrific threat. But it’s fascinating just the raw data about the size of these stones, their alignment with constellations, the fact that these things have been there for at the very at least 4,500 years, some of
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03:06:20
them. Mhmm.
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03:06:20
And some of them even further than that when you get to, like, Gobekli, Tapbe. Like, to me, it’s just incredible to imagine people living 11000 years ago. Like, what is life like? What is that experience like? What are shah is it like talking to people?
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03:06:35
Yeah. Well, those footprints around, you know, ai sands are super cool. Yeah. That’s not far from where I live. That’s 22000 years. Yeah. You know, kids running around in the mud. Yeah.
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03:06:45
Yeah. That’s crazy. Yeah.
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03:06:46
It’s very Yeah. Very interesting.
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03:06:49
Ultra States. This is your book?
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03:06:51
New book came out. Well, it’s it’s gonna be coming out tomorrow. Oh, and I took your advice, and I narrated the arya.
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03:06:57
Yes. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah.
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03:06:58
That’s I’m
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so happy when people do that.
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03:07:00
That came out this
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03:07:00
December 10th, Ai Altered States, and it is gonna be available everywhere?
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03:07:09
Yeah. Inner Traditions, you know, publishes it. Yeah. It’s on all the usual resources.
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03:07:14
And you can go to rickstraussman.com, and you can see this and everything else. Oh, and you can preorder it.
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03:07:22
You can order it for me. I will inscribe it, and I will sign it.
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03:07:25
Oh, beautiful. Yeah. Oh, that’s awesome. That’s very cool. That’s only $20. Alright, man. Yeah. The book is
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03:07:31
illustrated as well. You know, there’s some pretty funny stories in there, and each of them has got at least, you know, one illustration.
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03:07:37
Oh, cool.
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03:07:37
Yeah. Oh, look at that. Who drew it? A friend from Birmingham, Alabama named Meh Chalice.
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03:07:45
Doug, that’s crazy. That’s crazy.
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03:07:47
There’s some well drawings. There’s one called speak on acid. You you ever eat steak on acid?
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03:07:53
No. I have not. Yeah. This is great too. Oh, these are these are cool drawings.
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03:07:57
Oh, they’re great drawings. Yeah.
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03:07:58
Oh, that’s awesome. Yeah. Rick, thank you so much. It’s always great to see you Thanks, Joe. For coming. Same here. Enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. Ai. Fun.
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03:08:05
Alright. Okay. Goodbye, folks. Bye. Bye, buddy.
