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#2239 – Derek, More Plates More Dates Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion covers a range of topics, primarily focusing on fitness, martial arts, and the authenticity of online content. A key theme is the importance of moderation in weightlifting, especially for those involved in skill-based activities like MMA. The conversation highlights how excessive training can lead to tightness and soreness, which negatively impacts performance. The fluidity and coordination required in complex movements, such as a spinning back kick, are emphasized, illustrating the intricate dance between the nervous system and muscles.
The episode also touches on the authenticity of online content, questioning how much is genuine user experience versus sponsored content. This is particularly relevant in industries like cosmetic procedures, where individuals may receive free services in exchange for positive reviews. The discussion suggests skepticism towards content that might be manufactured rather than authentic.
Another significant point is the role of maintaining baseline parameters during weight cutting in sports. The conversation suggests that sustaining normal hormone levels and other parameters can be performance-enhancing compared to competitors who might not have the same advantages.
Overall, the episode encourages a critical view of online content and emphasizes the balance between training intensity and skill development. The recurring message is to approach both physical training and online information with a discerning mindset.
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#2239 – Derek, More Plates More Dates Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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So we just watched this What is his exact job? We watched this guy get assassinated, which is kinda I’ve seen more people assassinated and killed over the last 2 years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life.
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Oh, yeah, dude. The explorer page now is a disaster.
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It’s just like me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send
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each other the most fucked up
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thing we find every day.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It’s a brutal text thread. But because of it, now I’m locked into this algorithm. CEO of their
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insurance unit, which I don’t
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know what the difference is and what people hurt me as CEO. But A targeted attack, is and what people hurt me as CEO. But A targeted attack by a gunman waiting for
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him, a real assassination. 6:45 AM outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue where the company’s annual investor conference is about to take place. Yeah, man. I wonder what’s going on with that. That’s the one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo. I’m sure there’s some real good theories floating around on x right now. Oh, for sure. Is there? It’s gotta be.
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The investor meeting has not been canceled, obviously, but so that was maybe the goal.
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What’s worse, your, x Explore page or your Instagram?
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My Instagram.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah. My I don’t I just follow I mean, I follow a lot of people on both x and Instagram.
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It’s I
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don’t know if it’s necessarily a good thing, but when I someone just said something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow. Like, let’s see. Let’s see if this would be fun. But on the thing about Twitter or x is that, like, I don’t interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm.
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I’m mostly just reading stuff. I don’t really hardly ever, like, post anything.
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I think the problem is I’ll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things, so then it reinforces the algorithm that, oh, you wanna see this guy get shot or Yeah. Oh, you wanna see this car accident. We’ll give you more of those.
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Yeah. I’ve seen so many people get run over by cars.
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Oh. So many people.
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And it yeah. It’s crazy because I a lot of the stuff I’ve seen in the past year, I didn’t even know could be on the Internet.
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Right.
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I don’t know how it is when there’s so many things you can’t put on. Do you know that there’s a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts?
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Which one?
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Fake boobs, fake baby.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah. They use a fake baby.
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So they breastfeed. So you got these girls, these big juicy melons, and they pull one out and have a rubber baby. And the rubber baby’s sucking on its head. And the the the baby looks so fake.
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That’s hilarious.
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But they
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can get some, like, pretty realistic fake babies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Like, what was that movie with, the sniper movie about Chris Kyle? What was that called? Remember there was a movie where he had a fake baby and it was, like, so obvious. He’s got this, like, rubber baby. He’s, like, holding on to his child in this stupid scene.
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I’m I’m pretty sure on Twitter, you can just post nudity without any, like, problems. Right?
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You can post pornography.
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Yeah. The, dude, the replies to a lot of tweets that are irrelevant to porn, it’ll just be like, that’s cool. But have you seen my pussy? It’ll be like some chick promoting her OnlyFans. That’s so common now, and I just like the discourse is, like, half infested at this point.
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They had this one lady who was saying she made $40,000,000 this year on on, OnlyFans.
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Oh, yeah. That’s nuts.
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40,000,000.
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And she’s a virgin, I guess, and she doesn’t post that shit.
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Sure. She’s a virgin. Sure. She’s a 23 year old big tittied virgin. The only one that exists
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in the
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whole world.
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See that? That’s an interesting scenario, if true, because it’s like a lot of dudes want to shit on these chicks for being, like like, prostitutes, essentially. Right. But, like, if she was actually a virgin and she’s posting, like, almost nude but not quite but making a bunch of money off it
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Yeah.
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There’s, like, 2 contradictory things going on right now.
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Yeah. She wins. But the problem is this is the I mean, I don’t wanna tell anybody to not do anything. Like, ladies, you do what you want. You do you. If I was a a young pretty girl, I’d probably be on OnlyFans. I’d probably make some money. Fuck it. Why would I wanna be a waitress when I could just show my tits? That’s how I would look at it. The problem is twofold.
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1, you become addicted to an extraordinary amount of money if you’re successful at it. Right? So there’s like a scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently. Most of the Only did we we talked about this. Right? Like, most of the gals don’t make that much money. Most of them Yeah.
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I mean, that’s what what’s that much? Six figures or 1,000,000 or
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No. Like, even less. Like, most of them make a few $1,000 a month.
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I think so. I think out of this 43, one guy paid her 5,000,000, she said.
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Dude, that’s insane. Dude, it would suck too is if you went full board and you did, like, actual porn And
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you made money.
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And just got, like, banged on camera just for thinking you’re gonna become a multimillionaire, and then you still are like
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You would
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have to get bang on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base and you have to do a really good job, like, every time. Super enthusiastic. But my point is, like, you’re not going to like, most beautiful young women want a high value man as a husband if, let’s say, they’re heterosexual.
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Let’s just assume they wanna get married. If they do wanna get married, they do want a relationship, you’re not gonna get a high value man, especially if you’re making if you’re making 1,000,000 of dollars a year doing this. You’re gonna want a guy who makes 1,000,000 of dollars a year. Right? You’re not gonna want a guy who makes less than you.
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You’re probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton this and that and you’re used to all this shit. So you’re probably you’re wealthy. Right? So you’re already your dating pool’s smaller because you’re probably not interested in a guy who makes a $100,000 a year. Like, a regular guy to you is, like, what is he gonna do? He can’t even take me anywhere.
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Mhmm. This is
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bull I’m gonna pay for our vacation? The fuck out of here. Right? So you’ve already, like, cut, like, regular guys out. So now you have a very small pool of men that you can date. And then out of that pool, how many of them are gonna accept the fact that you’re doing this? Now you have an even smaller pool.
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So some guys will accept it, but for how long? Like, if you get real serious, you get married, and then you’re still showing your asshole to everybody, that’s, you know, you’re in but you’re addicted to that money. Like, are you gonna pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be DM ing his ex girlfriend?
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You know, like, for you’re gonna throw it all away and throw away this $40,000,000 a year empire you’ve created? Or are you trapped in that essentially forever?
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Yeah. It’s, it’s interesting, the thresholds, though, too, of where they become successful for what they’re doing, because it seems like some of them don’t have to show their asshole. They just they just post, like, thirst trap fitness girl type content almost.
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And people pay for that?
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I I But why do they
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pay for that
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when there’s so much of that for free on Instagram?
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I know. That’s, like, the common question. And I My
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search page on Instagram is all butts.
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I I assume it it’s something to do with, like, you follow this person and, like, you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to potentially see more revealing something from somebody that you are, like, a fan of
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already. Interaction.
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May that, I think, is a big component too because it’s like I think half the income is, like, DMs.
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Well, there was some Google guy, some executive at Google that was warning about what’s going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are gonna interact with guys. And how this is gonna create, like, profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems.
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Yeah. I imagine so. And, I I imagine a lot of the DM conversations are probably AI chat GPT already. 100%.
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Yeah. Or, you know, you got some Andrew Tate type deal.
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There’s a
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bunch of dudes who are, like, pounding on the keyboard while the girl shows her tits Yeah. Which is what he did for years.
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Yeah. Innovator. Yeah.
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End of the curve. Yeah. Yeah. You’re you’re going to not have any idea whether it’s even a real person. Right? Because there’s a bunch of AI generated girlfriends or girls rather that have OnlyFans where they don’t even exist. They’re not even a physical being.
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Yeah. There’s some pretty big Instagram pages, I think, that are just, like, fake.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And it’s just, like, even a I I think they’re owned by entities, like, companies that have, like, an army of AI chicks. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which is crazy.
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And they generate a lot of money.
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I’ve seen the comment section on a couple of them too. And, shockingly well, maybe not. I don’t know. But there’s a lot of people that are engaging with it like it’s a real person. And I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI, but, I mean, like, some people are pretty stupid.
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Well, there’s a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ. Mhmm. Like a real good percentage. Isn’t it like 15 or 20 percent? Is it something nutty like that?
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s like a it’s the same amount that people that are like above are gonna be below us. It’s like a standard deviation of, like, averages and stats.
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Yeah. There’s people that are they’re about as smart as a Labrador. They just can talk, then you can trick them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, and if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them
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Have you seen the, the UFC collab with that OnlyFans
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chick? Does the UFC collab
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with the
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OnlyFans chick? Pull it up.
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What is this?
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So there’s this girl who to spark outrage and get engagement, she breaks, like, exotic cars. Like, she’ll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or something What? And just, like, shake her ass. And then it gets tons of views, and there’s a bunch of guys freaking out because she’s disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever.
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But at the end of the day, she gets views from it, and then more people go to her page and sign up to it.
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But how much is a Lambo worth? Like, Lambos are, like, half a $1,000,000. Right?
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She’ll smash, like, the windshield only or, like, a window from, like, the driver’s side and then do some, like, call to action or something.
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Wow.
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If I pull up the the UFC one, you’ll be able to tell what I’m talking about better.
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The girl you’re talking about, but I don’t I didn’t know that she did something with the UFC.
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Yeah. Dana White, like, posted it. No. What? He’s like,
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check this shit out.
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What? Yeah.
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I gotta find hold on a second.
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Unless they’re on Is it on UFC Instagram? Yeah. It was like a collaboration I saw a few days ago.
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Okay. Hold on.
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Okay. What?
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They’re giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event, I think. Oh. And she’s the one who’s talking about it after smashing the window of a limo.
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What?
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Yeah. Real?
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I I thought it was kind of a weird combo.
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This is the gal? Yeah. Oh, don’t do it. Don’t. Yo. Is that a crowbar? Oh, what the fuck are you doing? Oh, Jesus.
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That’s why I’m giving away this McLaren 600lt@powerslap for free. Check out the links in our bios on how to enter. Everybody said No.
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Wow. We’re the dumbest fucking race. We’re the we’re so dumb.
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What are the accounts that collabed with it? It was UFC. Right?
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Yeah. It’s a for for PowerSlap event.
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We are we are of course, it’s for PowerSlap. That’s just as dumb. Adjacent. We are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived. We really are.
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What do you think about PowerSlap?
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I don’t. I don’t. I don’t get it. I I’ve watched it a ton of times, unlike little Instagram reels. You know, when it shows up, I watch guys get KO’d. It’s I would never advise anybody to do it. I don’t care how good you are getting slapped. I don’t care how good you are at slapping people. For me, the whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit. Yeah.
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Like, the whole idea is the skill. It’s like you impose your skill set. It’s like a, you know, human chess game. That’s the opposite. You’re just standing in front of each other whacking each other in the face. But I will watch.
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So if people wanna do it, that’s your jam, you know, if you’re some giant fat guy. You see, one of those guys actually had a fight, a dirty boxing fight with Yoel Romero. Oh. He’s, like, the freaks. Yeah.
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He’s, like, the dirty boxing king, dude.
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He’s also super juicy now. He’s a heavyweight now. So Yoel is 47.
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Yeah.
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So he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as, like, you know, I’m sure you would disagree. But look at what he looks like right now.
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We could talk about that later outside.
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This is Yoel now. He smashes this guy. Look at the size of him. This is not a good video, Jamie. Find find another video of it. Does it the actual video of it from the fight event, that’s like someone’s camera from the side side view, but he’s huge. Yoel’s like 220 now. 225, baby.
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He’s fucking massive.
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He used to suck down the 185 and then what would he walk in at though? I think like 2 Well,
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when he would weigh 185, this is back when Yoel was fighting, there was actual weigh ins. Yeah. You know, so right now there’s actual weigh ins, but the it’s a ceremonial weigh in. Like, tomorrow, at the UFC, I’ll host the ceremonial weigh in. So the fighters weighed in at, like, 9 o’clock in the morning. The ceremonial weigh in is at 5 PM. They’ve had the entire day to rehydrate.
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So Yoel back in those days was 185 when you weighed in at 5 PM at 185. And you couldn’t believe it was 185 because I would be, like, £200. And I’d be sitting there. I’m like, how? How am I bigger than you? This doesn’t make this, like, defies all known laws of physics and gravity.
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Like, it doesn’t make any sense. He was massive. These enormous traps. He was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight, he didn’t look smaller. He still looked fucking huge, man.
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Yeah. He had, like, a really he has really round muscle bellies, so it’s almost like bodybuildersque in terms of, like, how much how much bigger you look just cosmetically to you.
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So this guy that he’s fighting is a slap fight guy. And look at the size of Yoel now.
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He’s definitely less lean.
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Yeah. Oh, he’s less lean. He’s eating whatever he wants, but he still got a 6 pack. But he’s fucking massive, dude.
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So how did he end up in this league? Like, what was
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Oh, I I think this is Mike Mike Perry’s thing. I think he’s putting this together or he’s involved with it in some way, shape, or form. So Yoel is just basically, like, toying with this guy. This guy has literally no business. No disrespect to the man, but no business in the the ring with this world class athlete.
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Like, how much do you gotta get paid to go in and fight Yoel
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for this? It’s $15. Like, watch how he hops up in the air before he he decides to go. Yeah.
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What is that about? He just decides to, like, hop in
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the air. He’s like, enough. Let me end this. He just decides it’s time to end it.
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Oh my god.
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He’s fucking huge too. Look at his back. Yeah.
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Look at his back.
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That guy used to do a 185. And by the way, if look at see the back of his neck? He has a fully fused neck. If he wasn’t, you know, 36 when he entered into the UFC, that’s how old he was when he first started fighting. He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC.
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You know, if he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him. He’s the freak of all freaks. When it comes to, like, athletic specimens, like, he’s the freak.
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Yeah. When was his last fight in the UFC?
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Quite a while ago. He fought Adesanya, I wanna say, 5 years ago. When did when when did he fight Israel? And I think maybe he had one other fight other than that, but, you know, he was knocking guys dead at 40.
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You know. Dude, the cost cost of the pandemic.
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What is it?
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March 7, 2020.
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There you go. So that was his last fight in the UFC. So the last 4 years, he’s been competing for Bellator, and so they’re a little less stringent. They don’t have a USADA deal or now, whatever it’s called, drug free sport, I think they call it now. That’s the new company, which is essentially the same protocols, but they don’t wake you up on the day of the weigh ins or anything like that.
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You saw it was gross. Like, they would take these guys that are dehydrated, starving themselves day before the fight, wake them up at 6 o’clock in the morning.
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Did you see that, article I sent you about the USADA corruption?
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Yes. So let’s talk about that.
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Yeah. So, basically and this is like a WADA press release too. So it’s not like it was some journalist or something. It’s, like, on the official WADA site, and they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up, test results. So
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For which athletes?
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Unnamed, as far as sports? They wouldn’t say. They just said, like, Olympic level athletes and elite athletes and kept it very vague.
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Really?
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And, essentially, they they disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic caliber athlete. And their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped USADA supposedly, catch other people.
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Oh, they were narcs?
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So, like yeah. So if you help them catch people, then you could get away with using, like, full board testosterone.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah.
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Oh my god. So they’re like a drug dealer that works for the government.
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Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And this is, like, one of the reasons of many why, like, Hunter and others are very critical of USADA and are glad they’re not under it anymore.
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Well, there’s a lot of stupidity with their regulations. Like, one of them is BBC 157, which is natural in the human body.
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Mhmm.
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You know, and peptides, all they’re doing is helping you heal. Yeah. You’re literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training. And you you’re not gonna, like, assist these people in healing? Like, wouldn’t that only benefit everybody? There’s no, like, fear of, like, harm.
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There’s no there’s like, no one’s dying from BBC 157. Within the code, there’s a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. Wow. Look how they phrase that. How what dirty language. Proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. What does that mean? It means you’re you’re allowing them to cheat.
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However, there’s a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating what wait a minute. What are you saying then? So it doesn’t do that? They’re saying it doesn’t do that? Well, they may
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At the bottom, WADA is now aware of at least 3 cases where athletes who had committed serious anti doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents.
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Okay. So they pretended that they wouldn’t let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did.
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Yeah. So essentially While they were on shit.
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Wow. Imagine if that’s like boxing in the Olympics or something like that. The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as as if they had never cheated. In that case, when USADA eventually admitted to WADA that it’d be what had been going on, it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete’s security at risk.
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What? And asked WADA to agree to non publication. What? Yeah. Secure were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong? The fuck are you talking about? Security at risk.
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In other case of a high level level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete’s provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision despite being required to do so under the code. Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this.
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Wow.
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Interesting. And it sounds like this was somewhat how they operated as if they had a high profile enough person or certain circumstances, they would kinda autonomously decide, hey. If you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don’t or what have you, then we’ll just let you you know, no one will know.
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20:45
That’s so dirty. That’s so dirt. That’s that’s literally contrary to the whole reason why they exist. Yeah. What’s really crazy is I mean, according to the UFC so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them decide to sever the relationship. And then USADA, like, publicly said that UFC is gonna allow their competitors to do steroids now, which is not the case at all.
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21:09
Like, they already had a contract in place with drug free sport. I talked to the guy from drug free sport, and he was essentially laying out the pro it was essentially identical. No bbc 157, no testosterone, no nothing. Like, you can’t do anything.
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The standards are actually much higher now too in contrast. Like, you said I would claim or at least suggest that they were doing full spectrum bulletproof testing, but it turned out they were almost never EPO testing. The HGH testing was never really done, and then also the isoform, was it the, isotope ratio mass spec was, not really being done either.
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21:49
Was that a, like, a budget thing? Like, it was too expensive for
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those tests? I believe so, and also time intensive, for some of these tests as well. And I guess for, like, the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive, or I don’t really know what the exact motivation was. Like, often, you would think it comes down to budget and time, but, also, if you have an expert who just thinks it’s not warranted to go further, like, the same way if you went to a doctor and you’d be like, should I test this?
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They’ll be like, oh, if we know this, like, who cares? It’s not necessary. Like, I don’t necessarily know they went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn’t cheat if I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further. Sometimes you don’t have to, you know, test further if there’s not an atypical finding.
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So
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Yeah. But, like, let’s put if they’re not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there’s an event in Mexico City
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Mhmm.
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Right, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal. That that’s where Cain Velasquez, who was known as, like, probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time. He fought Fabrizio over doom, and he did not prepare properly. Fabrizio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for, like, 4 months.
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23:08
Mhmm.
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So Fabricio speaks fluent Spanish, lived in Mexico. He, like, he was really got ready and he beat Cain Velasquez in that night to become the champion. And he had tremendous cardio and Cain was just dying. That’s how brutal Mexico City is. So imagine when you’re competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these, like, really high altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don’t test for EPO?
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23:33
Yeah. No. I’m saying.
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23:35
Crazy. Yeah. That’s crazy because that’s the place where you would do it, particularly if, like, you’re defending your title or you’re challenging for a title.
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23:43
Yeah. And it’s like some of this stuff, even if you’re looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyways. Like, microdosing EPO is still they’re trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it.
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23:55
And How long is the the, like, the the life that’s detectable inside your body?
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24:00
I believe it’s, like, a few days, and that’s if you’re using, like that’s not a microdose protocol either.
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24:07
Well, how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing?
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24:11
Fairly significant given you can even just retaining your baseline parameters if you’re weight cutting can be quite helpful. So it’s almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of, like, any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation.
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If you can sustain it at normal, is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages.
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Well, that’s why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down the flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo Yeah. Which is when he got popped. And, you know but he was he looked like a skeleton. Did you ever see those weight cut?
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24:50
Yeah. That was insane. I might be misspeaking on the detection time of EPO, by the way, but it’s at at minimum the microdose protocols that are being implemented still. Even most recent literature, you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they’re actually looking for it still pass their testing.
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25:09
Really? Yeah. Wow. Well, one of the things that I’ve read about sauna is that sauna use, especially, like, directly after cardio, imparts, like like a microdose EPO effect. Mhmm. Have you read anything about that?
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25:26
Not for not recently. No. So I don’t know. Maybe you could brush me up. Do you have a
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I well, maybe we could find it. But I know it’s helped my cardio. It it helped significantly because I went through an injury once where I I couldn’t do, any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while. Mhmm. And whenever I did come back from, like, 3 or 4 months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal.
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25:49
And it wasn’t brutal at all. And it was because of regular sauna use. Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells. This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen. Now, it says here’s how plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma. As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO.
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26:12
So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO?
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It’s similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone and other hormones. They look for does it look like a endogenous signature? So different compounds, there’s different ways to analyze. But in general, it’s gonna be either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would be have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally, endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same.
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So even though it’s EPO that you’re injecting, it’s actually, like, recombinant AKA made in a lab and not like it’s not like they’re literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you. It’s like grown in a lab, essentially.
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27:03
Right. Right. Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually, said could be an issue is that it is possible, at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals. Yeah. So far, in a mammal based testosterone, instead of getting it from so I I they they create it from wild yams. Right? Yeah.
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So wild yams from Mexico, apparently, where they get all the testosterone that when you buy testosterone sip and ate or whatever.
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And soy.
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Yeah. Soy?
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Yeah. What do you mean?
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Yeah. They use soy to like, the phyto, some of the compounds in the soy as well as the yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone. So you can just manipulate that slightly to have, like, a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make hormones, and that’s how testosterone is made.
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28:00
Oh, that’s interesting because soy is always associated with, like, soy boys.
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Bad stuff. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s associated with high estrogen levels.
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Yeah. I think the 2 primary ways they synthesize testosterone now is soy and yams.
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So Novitsky was saying that with at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals, and then it would be impossible to differentiate.
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Yeah. I think, maybe the first time I came on, we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR proof testosterone formulation if athletes are doing that. And I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more, and it does seem like there’s strong evidence that suggests they’re aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing.
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Now they’re looking at, like, hydrogen ratios because it’s more minute and specific apparently as opposed to with the carbon content. They’ve seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures.
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29:04
Wow.
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And your diet, even what you ingest can change what your signature is too because they have to use as, like, a reference. They use, for example, from your urine, they’ll find some other compound that is, like, upstream from testosterone, for example, and they will use that as a benchmark of, like, this is what your signature is of how the carbon content of sex hormones.
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And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay. However you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone. So through that, we can infer that, you know, it’s probably of exogenous origin. But the if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, like, you you would never be able to tell.
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So it’s possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream Yeah. Even though you’ve injected it.
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30:01
Yeah. And if you had, like, animal grade testosterone or cholesterol even from, like, a medical grade, you know, compound facility or something, like, you could probably react it down and create, like, a CIR approved testosterone.
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30:15
God. It would be it seems like it’d be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out.
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30:20
Maybe. Yeah. But it’s like the access to lab equipment and high level testing is not as, the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be for sure. Like, there are I even have heard of people paying off water accredited labs to get, like, testing done to Really? Yeah. So they could, like, assess where they stand in terms of, like, some of the testing that they would do to see if they pop or not.
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30:42
Is that legal? No. So they bribe WADA? They said allegedly?
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30:47
There’s WADA accredited labs, not just in the States, but, like, in other countries where they’re a bit more corrupt, and you can, you know, persuade them to test your samples.
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30:57
Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere.
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31:00
Yeah. Yeah. And then they go, yeah. I’m senior. You
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got problems. Senior.
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This stuff
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31:05
don’t look good. Yeah. But yeah.
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31:08
And if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team and, you know, be it know you’re bulletproof rather than just guessing.
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31:19
Yeah. Well, there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time, before he tested positive. And, one of the concerns was that he was testing himself, that he had gotten tested, like, a number of times, which generally you don’t do.
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Now why was that, recorded, though? Like, that they have his, medical records? Because you can just, like, pay for blood tests and get a urine analysis.
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31:46
I might be speaking out of turn. I might be speaking out of school here. I don’t remember. I don’t remember the thing. But I remember someone who knows things telling me.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. You know? I’m kinda on the inside. So someone someone who knows
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things on
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the inside told me, dude, he get tested, like, 20 fucking times or something crazy like that during camp.
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32:05
Oh, he was for sure trying to get around, though.
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32:08
Well, he’s also pissed hot. This is when he fought Mark Hunt and this is a giant lawsuit involved right now.
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32:13
Oh, wow. Yeah.
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I don’t know if that lawsuit has been if it’s still ongoing or what the deal was, but Mark Hunt was furious. Yeah. It’s obvious when you look at the guy. I mean, he was, like, 39 years old, £300, like, cutting down at 265. He’s fucking huge, man.
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32:30
Yeah. What’s even more interesting too is the storage of samples. A lot of sports don’t actually do it. So with Olympic testing, oftentimes, the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past. So once they’ve refined the testing and actually are able to detect, you know, long term metabolites of trenabol or something of that nature.
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32:53
But in a lot of sports, like, especially in the in the US for, like, traditional professional sports, they’re not storing urine typically. Right. So if you have more refined testing get developed, oftentimes, there’s no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time. Right.
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And at least from what I’ve seen, there’s a really good paper. One of the guys I know who’s on the inside on this, his name is Alex Caliari Turner. He has excellent information and studies on this stuff, but he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the summer Olympic games for the past I don’t know.
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33:34
It was, like, a full decade of, analyzation. It was, like, 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal. So if they’re only being popped, you know, 3 out of 4 people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more based on advancements in testing.
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You can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing given that retroactively, they’re not being tested at
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all. Right.
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So it’s like if you’re ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed, you know, 5 years from now, they’re not gonna go get your sample and retry it.
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34:17
Right. That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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But wasn’t there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped because they went back and looked at his, his old like, once they developed new testing protocols?
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34:30
Was it an Olympic athlete? Yeah. Yeah. That’s why. Because Olympic Games, they started storing, samples 2,004. So they’re a bit more rigorous about that. And there are there are probably some sports that store, but the majority don’t. Yeah. And it’s like you know, you could say it’s corruption or you could say it’s, you know, people trying to the sport trying to cover it up, but I think sometimes it’s just, like, budget constraints too because it’s like you still have to be a profitable enterprise and
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Right.
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You know, I I don’t know how much you can, you know, scrutinize the economics on something like that.
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35:04
You’re also managing at scale. Right? Like, how many athletes are you dealing with? Yeah. How much time do you have to go back and, you know, review all the different urine samples and
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35:14
go back? Yeah. Yeah. No. But it gets crazy because it kind of it highly suggests that in a lot of sports, as long as you’re ahead of the curve, you’re probably good. Yeah. Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course.
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35:31
But at least, historically, what we’ve seen is it’s the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it.
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35:41
Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective?
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35:49
Yeah. Like, in general, the most effective stuff is going to be bioidenticals, which are being tested for. But it’s, like, at the scale, it’s kind of up for debate because sometimes they don’t test at all. Like, you know, we saw with USADA, they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing.
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36:09
So I would say those are probably the go to’s, you know, like EPO especially and HGH. There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. Like, I think it’s called triamtazidine. There was some, like, top level tennis player who just popped, like, a week ago or something.
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36:30
And what is that?
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36:31
It’s
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36:31
like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back. Yeah. There was, like, 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing, and then they claimed it was, like, food contamination or something. And they were like, oh, that’s I guess that’s what happened.
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36:51
And then a bunch of those 2 of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics, and 11 of them were allowed to compete still. What does it do? It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization. So, basically, in general, to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose.
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37:14
And in endurance events, which is heavily oxygen sapping, if you can shift, which is what this drug does, it inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen intensive process. So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you’re producing.
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37:38
So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it’s highly performance enhancing. Wow. Or it should be. You know, it’s kinda speculative as to if it’s actually performance enhancing, but it’s kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug.
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37:55
Oh, by the way, you said the first time I was here, you said, the Russian Olympics, the only people who didn’t pop were the figure skaters. Yeah. Yeah. There was a Russian figure skater who’s 15 who was on this angina medication.
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38:08
Well, that kinda makes sense. Right? Because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you’re figure skating. It’s pretty cardio intensive when
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38:15
you’re spinning around and flying around. Like
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38:17
Yeah. Yeah. I know it. For sure.
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38:18
But they said that steroids, it they found that, like, gross motor skills, you’re, like, he’s so loud, dude. You nudge him, keep him from fucking snoring so loud. But they they found that, like, testosterone and things along those lines, like, it’s actual steroids. It was not good to be stronger as a figure skater that it didn’t enhance. But those that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus.
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38:44
Yeah. Yeah. And, like, I could see obviously, the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport is. You know, there are some sports where, you know, being heavier is gonna be problematic.
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38:56
Right.
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38:57
And you might, you know, want something that could enhance, I don’t know, your cognitive capacity or whatever it may be or, like, slow down your heart rate, for example, for archery or
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39:09
Right.
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39:09
You know, different applications for sure.
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Like beta blockers.
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Yeah. Like, for archery, for example, things like propranolol, like, highly effective, as well as for, you know, public speaking, playing piano publicly. I think there’s, like, famous pianists who use a strobe too.
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39:25
Yeah. I’ve heard of people using beta blockers. Snipers too. Really? Yeah. It makes sense. Right? Yeah. Just dropping that that anxiety response.
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39:35
Yeah. And if it crosses the blood brain barrier like propranolol does, it actually calms you down very significantly. It’s not just about lowering the heart rate. It also, like, destresses you. Like, it’s an antianxiety drug, essentially.
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39:48
Wow.
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39:48
Yeah. You’ve never tried it? No. For archery? I’ve been wondering if it was,
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39:54
I thought about doing it once. I even asked my doctor about it. He was gonna get it for me, but I was like, I don’t wanna cheat. Like, half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together.
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40:05
Mhmm.
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40:05
And if you could just do it Yeah. Like, if I could just shoot at a deer the way I’d shoot at a target Right. I don’t think it would be the same.
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40:12
Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah.
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It’s like part of it is You’re
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a purist.
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Yeah. In that regard. Because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind. Yeah. That’s what I like about it. Mhmm. I like that it’s hard to do. Yeah. I don’t want it to be easier, you know. It’s fucking hard to do, and that’s literally why I like it. Like, if I could take a drug that would make it easier to do, I don’t think I would like it. I’m very effective right now.
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40:35
I’m very I’m real successful at bow hunting, you know, relatively for, like, it’s a non if, like, I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money. I’m fortunate. But relatively speaking, bow hunting is not a successful endeavor. It’s like maybe 10% of the hunts, like, when people get tags, maybe, probably less in most places.
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40:58
Mhmm.
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40:58
Actually, harvest an animal.
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41:01
How often do you do it?
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I do it twice a year. I go on a big elk hunt, and I do, like, a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that. In between that, maybe one deer hunt.
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And it’s like, how intensive of a prep is it? And, like, the whole process of doing the trip? Is it, like, a multi day thing? Or
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Yeah. I go for, like, a week. The really intensive part, though, is the preparation for it. And I I was gonna tell you about this too because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one. So when, hunting season approaches for, like, 3 months out of hunting season, I ramp up all my cardio and all my bow hunt my archery.
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41:38
So I practice in my backyard. I practice archery. I’m shooting at 85 yards. I shoot an 84 pound bow, and I might shoot it a 100 times a day. So I’m pulling £80, £84 a 100 times in a day. And I’m doing it day after day after day after day. I’m doing it 5, 6 days a week.
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So I was developing, like, severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to, like, sciatica and I was also developing some severe neck pain on my right side. So this is it’s all it’s really an unbalanced thing. Right? Because I really should draw something back with my I should probably, like, at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don’t.
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42:25
So you draw back. So I’m pulling it’s £84 to pull it back. It’s at least for the beginning of the cycle and then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers. Like, the holding weight is I think my holding weight is, like, 20%, 20 or 25% of the actual weight of the bow.
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42:42
But what happens is as you’re pulling back and you lock it in place, the way archery works is you wanna what’s called pull at the wall. Right? So where the string hits the end where it can’t pull anymore on a compound bow, I’m pulling hard against that wall so I’m steady. Right?
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And then I’m real I’m trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I’m stabilizing everything with this lower back with my lower back muscles. So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like, painful and stiff and sore, like, hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going.
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I would do it for hours, 3 hours a day. Just hours and hours and hours. And I just developed a real problem to the point where, like, when I was the last trip when I was going up hills, my my hips were getting numb, like, my glutes weren’t firing. I was getting sciatic pain. It was pretty bad. So I knew after hunting season was over, I was gonna have to address it.
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43:38
So I got some stem cell shots which definitely helped. I started doing a lot of stretching, no archery for a couple months, a lot of, like, hard foam. Like, it’s I have a from Elite Flexibility, they make like a PVC roller with, like, a very thin layer, so it’s very hard. And I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna, cold plunge, sauna, stretching, and it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal.
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44:03
Like, it took it was taking a long time to recover. And then I started doing this thing called NuFit. And what NuFit is is electrical muscular stimulation while you’re going through exercise routines. And so they slap these electro pads, all over your muscles and fully contract you, and then you go through exercises while you’re doing it.
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And it’s, like, significantly increased my rehabilitation. Oh. I’ve only been doing it for a few weeks too. I’ve only been doing it for, like, 3 weeks. All my back pain’s gone. Mobility’s back. No no more sciatica at all. No issues at all. And everything is, like, much looser. It’s, like, coming back.
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So do you find that more effective than stem cells?
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44:46
No. I think it’s the combination of things. It’s it’s very hard to tell, like, what is actually working. But when you add one thing and then also you get a significant response, I’m assuming that this NuFit thing is having at least responsible for, I mean, there’s some sort of synergistic effect.
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45:05
Right? Mhmm. Because I’m using peptides. I got this like I said, I got stem cells shot into it. So this is like a and it takes a while for the stem cells to take place.
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45:12
I’m sure that’s part of it, but then this NuPhit thing is pretty significant. So So I’ve been doing that quite a lot. I’ve been dealing with that 4 days a week. And it’s it’s legit, man. It’s really legit.
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45:24
I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul. So I know a lot of other athletes
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Yeah.
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Use it. A lot of people use it for rehabilitation. It’s like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from, like, surgeries and injuries and stuff like that.
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45:42
What else are you using now as part of your
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Nothing new. Nothing new. Still b p c 157, TB 500, you know, ipomoral and stuff like that, like, the same stuff that I’ve always used before. This is the only thing that I’ve done that’s really new, this new fit. Have you ever seen it before?
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No. See
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if you can find, like, some examples of, I because like I said, Tyson was using it.
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46:07
So it’s no more time intensive because it’s during training?
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46:11
So you’re what you’re doing is, so I’m doing it for rehabilitation. So, so this is what it looks like. So they slap these electrodes to you, so your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate.
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Mhmm.
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You know, so I I get them to crank that fucker up. And when you’re doing it, your muscles are like completely flexed through the whole thing. It’s, like, it’s kinda painful.
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Yeah.
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And then while you’re doing that, you’re going through all these different exercises.
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Oh, okay. So they’re, like, kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you’d be doing?
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The for me, what I’m doing is rehabilitative, but other people do it for for hypertrophy. And bodybuilders do it apparently to, like, say if, like, you’ve got, like, trap issues, like, you don’t like you need to, like, have one area where you wanna improve. They’re slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises.
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Yeah. There was I an entrepreneur that I’m friends with asked me what I thought about it as, like, a replacement for exercise.
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Oh, just a replacement?
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Yeah. And it was, like, such, like, a rich person question. Like, how do I not go to the gym and still, like,
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go to the gym?
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There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the the eighties that had that. I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there, and their claim was they would get you you’d have a 6 pack, you’d get jacked, and all you have to do is lay there. It’s you lay there, and they put these electrodes on you just
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Have you
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have you ever seen those, like, ancient, like, belly shaking things for, like, women to lose
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bodies at? Like, back in the forties. Yeah.
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They just sit there shaking back and forth.
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No. I’m sure it’s it’s more effective than that, obviously. Yeah. Which did nothing, but I don’t think it’s a replacement. And I would imagine I would speculate that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it’s for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you’d probably get better results.
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Perhaps. It’s the the idea is that it’s enhancing you past what you would normally get because you’re in this very unique state of constant contraction. Yeah. So there’s no contract, relax, contract, relax. You are just contracted. You’re just and then you’re going through all these exercises.
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So you have to kinda force your way through the exercises while you’re contracted. It’s kinda difficult.
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I think if you’re injured, it probably has a lot of viability, but I would be highly suspect of it being used for, like, a guy trying to break a plateau who’s a veteran lifter, for example.
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Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I would agree.
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And no bodybuilders I know attribute any success to something like this.
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Right. Well, this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders use it to target areas that they, like, are having difficulty like, maybe your calves.
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Yeah.
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So, like, people have a difficult time growing calf muscles.
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Most, biggest nuisance of a body part genetically.
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It’s calf. We’ll do Jon Jones. That’s the craziest thing. Yeah. Like, one of the best kickers in the sport, no calves. They’re, like, nonexistent.
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Yeah. It’s so genetically predetermined seemingly that, you know, you’ll have guys who are top Olympia caliber bodybuilders. And if they haven’t had calves for their whole career, they don’t suddenly develop them even though they obviously know how to train, and then people bullshit on them and say, you have no calves, bro.
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Like, learn how to train. It’s like, this is my job. Like, do you think I don’t know how to do a fucking calf raise?
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But they just won’t grow?
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Yeah. Like, proportionally so, they lag behind significantly, and it’s pretty obvious when somebody has a liking body part when they’re on stage. But it is, like, a very, very, difficult area to locally you know, if you don’t have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies, it’s very difficult to make How weird.
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A bad looking calf look good.
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It’s weird because you gotta go like John where everything else is pretty big. You know? Yeah. He’s got big chest, big arms.
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Like This is not to say don’t train calves because people get all riled up about, you know, skipping leg days and stuff.
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Well, especially for performance.
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You
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know? Like, you you certainly need strong calf muscles for performance, so you can make them stronger. They just don’t necessarily get aesthetically pleasing.
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Yeah. There’s definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does. But in general, like, it seems like if they’re lagging behind for you, it’s it’s pretty difficult to bring them up.
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That’s weird. What a weird body part.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s like one of the worst offenders.
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Is there anything else like that? Any other body parts that are, like, notoriously difficult to train?
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That’s a good question. Probably there’s probably something that I’m not thinking of. I don’t know. Neck, maybe? But I that’s pretty easy to train, actually. It’s just not many people do it.
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With neck, you gotta be careful, though. Listen, I you know, I use an iron neck, which I really believe in. It’s like the only thing that I’ve ever done that strengthened my neck and not caused me any neck problems.
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Mhmm.
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Whereas I think those other ones, like, you know, those things where you put, like, the leather helmet on with the chain. Yeah. I think that’s an unusual movement for your neck and I think you could probably get away with I know a lot of wrestlers, and including Mike Tyson, who fucked their neck up from neck bridges.
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Have you seen the, f one drivers work at racines? No. Dude, pull up.
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Oh, they would have to have crunchy necks.
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Oh, yeah. That’s like what they do for their training mostly seemingly.
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Oh, you have to.
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But They’re just sitting there with, like, a giant fucking contraption on their head. It’s like
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Like an iron neck.
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Yeah. Yeah. But it’s like it seems even more intensive. Like, it’s, Let’s see.
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Yeah. But, see, what I’m saying is they’re not bending the neck. Right? So what they’re doing is they’re forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they’re facing resistance. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. But what they’re not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight, which I think is what’s unusual, and I think that’s just a a weird strain on the discs. And with a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strain from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and, like, pulling their head down and they get it real low and then they’re resisting that.
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You can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a darce choke or or a triangle where you’re, like, really fucked up and distorted and you’re resisting against it, you could fuck your neck up.
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Mhmm.
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So what the iron neck does that I really like is you’re rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation. So you have this halo, you put it on your head, you pump it like a Reebok pump, and if, like, form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on and then you back up.
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And so it’s got a bungee cord, so a very stiff rubber cord and as you’re pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way and then you could rotate and then on the rotation, you could adjust the resistance. You can make it more difficult, but you’re never doing any of this stuff. Mhmm.
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And I think this stuff is where at least from what I’ve seen, people get hurt, especially neck bridges. Neck bridges where your whole body
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Oh, I can imagine.
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And you’re doing all this and you’re rolling like Tyson, you ever seen Tyson’s neck bridge routine when he was younger? No. Well, Tyson had a 20 inch neck. Yeah. 20 inches. You know how crazy that is? His neck would start at the top of his head. And when he was young, I mean, he had a fucking massive neck. Yeah.
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But it’s one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch Yeah. Because his head didn’t snap around. Like, look how look at his neck when he
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was young.
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That neck is crazy, dude. That’s, like, crazy hair.
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Parallel with his head. Yeah.
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Like, see look at this is what he would do every day in training.
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Holy shit. That looks
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Yeah. Rough. But this wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost. And I don’t think it’s at a cost for everybody. I think it probably can be done safely, but I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully and make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your discs, you know, like, when you’re in these reared positions.
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Like, you’re never supposed to have all, you know, at least bridging with, like, 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this, and then roll it over the side, and then roll it over the side while you’re putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead.
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That’s just crazy. That’s
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would, that looked fucking sketch, dude.
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Yeah. Well, Mike had to get neck surgery. Yoel Romero, like I said, had his whole neck fused. His neck doesn’t ever seen him run?
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No. But it probably looks hilarious.
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See find the video of Yoel Romero sprinting. It’s nuts. His neck doesn’t move. It’s like this. Like a robot.
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Like a Terminator.
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But it’s also why Yoel can take crazy punishment. Like, Yoel got head kicked once by I think it was Derek Bronson head kicked him, and he didn’t even move. Like, look at him run. So his neck doesn’t move. His entire neck is completely fused, and he has this giant scar on the back of his neck.
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He is a freak though, dude.
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Did you ever get the impression that if he just, like, threw himself into the fire more in fights, he probably would have won a lot more?
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I don’t know. I don’t know if you could keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more?
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Because it was always it was kinda hard
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to tell if he was gassed sometimes.
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Right.
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And then he would all of a sudden burst out.
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Exactly.
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Yeah. Costa Romero fight is still, to this day, one of my favorite fights ever. And I I don’t know, man. Like, it almost a lot of the Romero fights, it seems like if he just started swinging and going in there, that he might be able to take out a lot of dudes that he just let go to decision.
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Perhaps.
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But you have to, like, know how much gas you have in the tank and only he knows. And that style that he has Yeah. Is a style for someone who’s very explosive. It’s very smart.
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Mhmm. Because
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you don’t just explode and keep going. You won’t last. You last 2 minutes and then you’d be dead. Yeah. So what he does is, like, come on. He looks, like, so relaxed and then he explodes on you. And when he explodes on people, they don’t see it coming because he’s lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at.
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Like, did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman?
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Probably.
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That’s the perfect example of that. He caught Chris Weidman with a flying knee as Chris Weidman was coming in for a takedown. He just, like, lulled him into, like, this is the speed we’re moving at. We’re gonna move at this speed. This is how we’re fighting. Oh, I’m dodging your punches.
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Oh, I’m dodge and then out of nowhere, bam, he hits him with his flying knee and just destroys his head. I mean, it was one of the most brutal watch this. So see how he, like, moved? Boom.
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Oh my god.
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Yeah. I mean, literally, his whole body fought back it up again so we could see that one more time, like, before it happens. So they’re fighting. He’s got him on the ground. Oh, so here it is. So you see as he moves, he’s not boom. He just leaps into him. This is like a highlight thing. It’s not showing the the whole exchange.
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But in the fight, you know, Weidman’s very aggressive, very tough, and, you know, pushing the pace, trying to get the takedowns. Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys, and Yoel just would, like, kinda, like, move and relax. And then out of nowhere, he would just blow on you. Yeah.
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And
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that’s what he did with, Adesanya too. Like, that was a very boring fight because Adesanya is like, I see your fucking game. I’m gonna stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me. I’m gonna counter attack. And Yoel was like, come on. Come fight me. And he’s like, I know what you’re doing because he he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand, like a powerful left hand.
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Izzy’s like, oh, Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to, but he can’t really fight like that for 5 minutes for 5 rounds. He can’t really just keep exploding. That’s like the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor. Like, Conor McGregor was lethal for 1 or 2 rounds, but then you get into the 3rd, 4th, and 5th.
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It’s there’s so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement. There’s so much explosion. It’s like constant sprinting.
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Yeah. Has he ever knocked out a guy after round 2 even?
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That’s a good question. I don’t know. I mean, he certainly could. Right? I mean, he’s not out of shape.
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I remember what what you’re saying, though. It was, like, the later rounds. It was so blatant. He
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was gassed. Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds. That was the thing. It’s like, if he didn’t fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds, if you were like Nate Diaz, some indestructible zombie, and then you get into the later rounds, and you’re fucking tired.
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Like, how is this guy still here? And then Nate is just, like, slapping you and beating you up, and Nate can push that 50% pace forever.
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Yeah.
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Him and his brother were very good at that. They didn’t really explode. They just will, like, touch you. They’ll just touch you all the time. And you can’t breathe because you don’t have the time to relax. Right? So if he’s constantly hitting you with punches that aren’t that hard, you’re like because you’re always like because you don’t know if these punches are gonna be hard, and then he occasionally would mix them up with, like, really hard shots.
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Mhmm. And
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so you always have to be ready for the hard shots so you never get to breathe. You never get to relax. So you’re constantly on edge, and you’re you’re just getting worn out. And he’s relaxed because he’s just hitting you and touching you, and he’s talking shit to you. What, bitch? What, bitch? What’s going on, bitch? They keep hitting you this, like, 50%, like, literally like this. Not really trying to hurt you at all.
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Just just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank.
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They, seem relentless.
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Oh,
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dude. Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz especially, his cardio was insanity. He swam back from Alcatraz. He did it on 5 different occasions. In the ocean with great white sharks, swim what is it? Like, a mile and a half or something like that in the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest Ocean?
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I don’t know. But
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How far is Alcatraz? How far is the swim? They used to think you couldn’t do it. Yeah. They used to think no one could survive it, so that’s why they put Alcatraz there. They put a prison out there. They’re fucked.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But a couple of guys did escape, and they don’t know what happened to them. Like, they found their clothes at the beach, and Oh. There’s speculation that at least 1 guy survived it. But how are you gonna train? You can’t train to swim and then you’re gonna just swim for a mile and a half? Yeah. You’re not gonna make it.
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I don’t know. I don’t know. What’s car cardio regimens in prison? I would have no idea.
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I I mean, you could do cardio, but you’re not gonna recreate swimming without swimming. The resistance, the current, like, all of it.
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Yeah. Temperature regulation. Yeah.
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You’re you’re just not gonna be able to recreate that unless you’re doing it. They’re not gonna let you practice. Yeah. Like, guys, they’re just gonna do laps around Alcatraz. Like, get the fuck out of here. How far is it, Jamie? Mile and a half. So a mile and a half in the fucking ocean with sharks.
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When was that these prisoners escaped? Like, was this decades ago?
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Was that a Clint Eastwood movie? Escape from Alcatraz.
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Did you see it? No.
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No. It was a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz. These guys had made a paper mache model of their face
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Okay.
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And, like, put it, like, with this put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it. And the guards, when they would go to check, thought these guys were still in their bed. Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the of the, of the cell. 1979 film Escape from Alcatraz presented inconclusive conclusions. What does that mean?
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On one of the island’s enduring mysteries told the true story of 3 men, Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John Algin Al Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962 were never seen again. Nobody knows for sure whether they made good in their escape or drowned in the attempt.
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True stories like that and others embellished tales of man eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim. Well, it’s definitely not impossible because Nick Diaz has done it fucking times. But people do it all the time now.
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You know, it’s it’s like an endurance thing that people constantly do now.
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Someone did it 979 times this guy.
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Woah. He does it monthly.
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Oh my god. What a fucking psycho. 979 times? That is rolling the dice on sharks, bro.
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And what happens when you like, Alcatelaz is still operating?
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No. No. No? Okay.
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No. It wasn’t operating.
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Oh, it’s like a 2 Earth attraction. Right?
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When I
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was a kid, we went to to visit it and with school. They took when I lived in San Francisco, they took us to Alcatraz.
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Okay.
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Field trip was pretty cool. You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get it’s very weird.
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Oh. Why does it shut down?
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I don’t know. It’s a good question. Why did they shut Alcatraz down? Even when they figured out people could swim
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it. That would be a
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good reason. Yeah. I mean,
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it’s not unassailable. Close it down.
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It’s gotta take a long time though. Like, how in a mile and a half in the ocean, how long does that take?
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Some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive to continue operating.
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That makes sense. Right? You gotta get all the supplies and out there by boat, by ferry.
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I don’t even think they
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had that many prisoners there.
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Like, you know But they had, like, super dangerous ones there. Right? Wasn’t that the whole idea? It was all murderers. I think it was like a like a super maximum security, like, for the biggest psychos.
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Oh, yeah.
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You put them on Alcatraz.
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Yeah. What was that movie?
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I think Sean Connery movie as well. Rock. The Rock. Yeah. Yeah. That’s about that. Right? Yeah. I think. Yeah.
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Yeah. I think that was about it too. Yeah. It but, you know, guys who have extreme cardio, like, that that’s a real weapon. Like, guy like, power is important in the well, it’s always important. But cardio is one of the most important things because you just, when you get tired, you don’t think right.
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You don’t have you don’t make good decisions, and then you also you you just you’re just not as effective. You’re you’re not gonna scramble out of positions. You’re gonna relax a little, try to catch your breath. Like, if you get taken down, you’re not gonna, like, completely exert Chuck Liddell said this to me once.
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He said when guys get taken down, they accept the takedown. And the thing is they get taken down, and then they try to work their way back up to their feet. He goes, I never did that. When I got taken down, the moment my back touched the ground, it was like hot lava, and I just exploded immediately. I never let them hold me.
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And that was the key to never getting taken down and held down is that the moment he he’s a really good wrestler as well, obviously, but the moment someone would take him down, he would never accept it. He would just some guys accept it. Like, fuck. I gotta take it down. Alright.
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You know, over hook, under hook, you know, like, control posture, work my full guard, try to get back up try to buy time where I have enough energy to escape and figure out, or am I gonna try to sweep him? Am I gonna, you know, am I gonna try to pummel and and try to get back up to my feet?
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Am I gonna try to scoop back to the cage? Bunch of different strategies to try to get back up. But the thing is, like, when you’re tired, you’ll accept that takedown.
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Yeah. And when
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you see guys accept the takedown, just pull full guard, like, that guy’s fucking tired.
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You know? It was like the recent, Oliveira fight. It was, like, tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like, oh, it’s you know, you’re on the ground now and you’re fucked.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, that fight was crazy. Yeah. With Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that 5th round. Yeah. Almost had him. I mean, what a relentless motherfucker that guy is. Yeah. Man, he’s getting his ass kicked for 4 rounds and then finally almost fucks him up.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s crazy when it comes down to, like, you know, do or die mode, how many times it almost turns around.
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Mhmm.
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Well, it’s also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled and is just such a fucking training machine that he has that ultimate gas tank even in the 5th round, just explode. And, like, in the 5th round, he was going hard, which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Connor.
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Yeah. He almost seems like a better cardio, like, Sean Shirk or something.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well, Sean Shirk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio.
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Did he?
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I thought I thought he was so
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01:06:15
Before the time Okay. He was a fitness fanatic, like, a conditioning fanatic. But, like, so was, that there’s a few guys, like, Rich Franklin was, like, a fitness fanatic too. Like, they dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning, so they had this, like, ultimate gas tank.
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But, like, with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never gonna compete with Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva was just a god at the time. I mean, in his prime, he was, like, 34 years old. He was fucking unstoppable.
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He was just so weak. Differential between everyone and him was, like, obscene.
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It was skill too. It’s like he had the ability to let punches get right here, and he would just move his head slightly and then, bang, crack you. Was you all your momentum is coming in, and he would counter you. And he was just so skillful, and he was like a computer. He would the first minute of the round, first fight, like, first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just, like, trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you’re capable of.
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He would see you swing, like, okay. I got that. Okay. I’ll do a little of this. I’ll kick him a couple of times.
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And then by the end of the round, he’s like, okay, motherfucker. And then you’d see him, like like, the Yuusha no Kami fight is a great example of that. By the end of the first round, he head kicks Okami and drops him. He just starts tuning him up. He just he gets he gets what you can do.
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He’s like, you can’t do it. I do. And then he just starts turning it on.
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Yeah. Some of those fights back
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in the day just felt like a ticking time bomb for whoever he was facing.
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Yep. People forget. The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their forties, and you remember them from their their later fights. Yeah. You don’t remember them when they were unstoppable. Like, when Anderson was in his prime, he’s one of the greatest fighters that’s ever lived.
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Oh, yeah. For sure. Have you seen that, UFC interview where they, like, accidentally showed I think it was, like, HGH in the background.
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He opened his fridge. What he eating? Oh, meat and growth.
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Yeah. He’s popped for some dumb shit too, if I recall correctly.
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Well, did you ever see his, coach? His weightlifting coach?
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Probably when I was looking into it, but I’m assuming he’s yoked on
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this fucking mind. 65 years old and built like Yoel Romero.
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Oh my god.
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See if you can find Anderson Silva’s, strength and conditioning coach. I mean, there’s no way. There’s just no way. That guy knows what to take. Yeah. There’s no way. There’s no he’s in his sixties. Fucking jacked. I mean, just super jacked. Like, that’s
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him. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.
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Look at Anderson’s face. It’s a perfect picture.
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I mean, look at that dude. That dude’s in his sixties.
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Me and Morgan. Yeah.
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Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test, not what’s in my fridge.
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Look at this. Look at the size of that guy in his sixties.
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So, obviously, he knows what to take. Yeah. That guy knows some stuff.
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So, Chandler, you said good match for Connor. Is that ever happening?
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Or I don’t know if Connor’s ever gonna fight again.
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What’s happening with his, he just got, like, the civil suit Yeah. Or whatever, and he’s being dropped by all
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his Yep.
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Companies or something?
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Yep. You know, I don’t know the real details of that case. I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court. But the the reality is that guy’s partying, and he’s partying real hard. And he talked about it in the in the court case. You know, he’s talking about cocaine.
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Like, there that was the whole thing that we’re all doing cocaine, and we’re fucking
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Dude, some of his interviews, you can tell he is out of it.
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Allegedly. He seems at least excited.
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Dude, have you seen the Jake,
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jail, and all and Connor interview for Roadhouse, and he’s just fucking tweaking the whole time?
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He seems like he’s
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tweaking. Just like Yeah. I I can’t imagine he wasn’t thinking, what are you doing, dude? Right. Yeah. Right.
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You know, it’s funny. Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conor McGregor in Roadhouse. He goes, Conor Gregor basically played a coked out Conor McGregor in
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Roadhouse. And he’s That’s so accurate.
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And Shane does, like, a Conor impression, so it’s fucking hilarious. Like, ah, fuck it. I mean, he’s he likes coke. Oh, yeah. But I think there’s another issue to talk about, and that is that a lot of fighters when they’ve sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career and there’s no way to not get that.
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Right? I mean, we saw we’ve all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out. We’ve seen Conor’s, sparring footage. He spars pro boxers. He’s sparring elite fighters.
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You’re getting hit in the head a lot. And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs. And I think there’s probably, like, a constant state of discomfort that they live in where their dopamine levels are all fucked up, their their cortisol levels are all fucked up.
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Their their body’s just you’re not supposed to get punched in the head a 1000 times a year. It’s just not supposed to happen, and that’s the reality of consistent training. So if you think about consistent training, like, say, you and me are sparring and we meet at the gym, 3 times a week and we spar 3 times a week and it’s let’s say we spar 5 rounds 3 times a week, 5 rounds of 5 minutes each, We might you might hit me 15, 20 times a round, and then we’re doing that 3 times a week, and we’re doing that over and over and over again.
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And it’s not even this is a thing. People say, oh, you spar light. Sure. Sure. Sparring light is important.
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But subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE. Yeah. Now soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball. I’ve bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid. That doesn’t hurt. But that that thump Yeah. That’s giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE. Wow.
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Do you know that?
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No. I didn’t
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know that.
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My friend, Mark Gordon, who is an expert in, traumatic brain injury, and he, works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation about I think he works with them, but he were oh, Angel Warrior Foundation. He works with, a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland.
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Your endocrine system gets fucked up from, you know, breaches, you know, explosions blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things. Like, those guys are fucked. Like, the inside of their brain is fucked. And there’s a bunch of different therapies they apply to that, but the bottom line is that it’s not just getting knocked out. It’s just getting thumped a lot.
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Yeah.
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Just thumped in training. So if we’re sparring, you know, we’re friends. If we’re sparring, I wouldn’t hit you hard. I’d hit you like that. I wouldn’t I wouldn’t try to kill you. I’d hit you like that. But that over and over again, you’re gonna get brain damage.
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Yeah.
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Fact.
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Yeah.
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No if, ands, or buts about it. You’re gonna get brain damage. And if you’re doing that over the course of a 10, 15 year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred. And not just sparred that way, how many collisions I’ve been you know many times I’ve been collided with doing jiu jitsu? You accidentally butt heads.
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You accidentally take a knee to the head. You accidentally take an elbow to the head. It’s constant. So you’ve got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again.
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And then you get a little bit
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of coke little bit of coke, and you’re feeling good again. Yeah. I I bet I bet, you know, you get addicted to it. And the guy obviously likes extreme things, right, which is why he’s such a great fighter. They’re wild people. That’s why Jon Jones like cocaine too. They’re fucking wild people.
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They wanna fight. Yeah. You know, they wanna fight in a cage for a living. That’s how they literally feed themselves by beating the fuck out of skilled people.
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Yeah. I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve, like, baseline even
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Yeah.
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To feel normal.
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Yeah.
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There’s a drug I didn’t mention earlier, but it’s worth mentioning. You said what’s not being tested for, it’s useful. In fighters, something called cerebrolizin is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by WADA yet. And
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how does it work?
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It’s like one of the only sources of active NGF and BDNF that you can actually get an effect out of seemingly. So, like, brain derived, for able to n f stands for, but it’s something that could be, basically, grow new brain cells, essentially. Woah. Yeah. Or offset deterioration as well during after fighting.
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Why
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would you not let people take that? That seems like that should be standard. That should be given to everybody, like vitamins.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s, the pipeline of it getting through a clinical like, getting a clinical application, it’s still in experimental phases, so I could see why it hasn’t been getting widespread recognition. And for all we know, it’s not gonna prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally from people I know who’ve used it, highly effective for neurogenesis.
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Yeah. What else what about somebody who doesn’t have brain damage? Just wants to get really smart.
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Yeah. Yeah. Tough call.
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I think that might work. Right?
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Yeah. A lot of people even nowadays are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider too. So it might even become, you know, an adjunct kinda like preventative therapy.
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Right. Yeah. Sure.
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And it’s like sometimes not even purposeful that you’re doing things that make you stupid, or it’s just like
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Like, what kind of things would you describe?
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I don’t know. Like, if you have kids, you’re never getting good sleep, or you’re, somebody who’s constantly on stimulants, which you could argue is, you know, bad lifestyle or whatever.
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But Right.
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Yeah. There are certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just aging in general.
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So seen the studies on creatine and performance with, sleep deprivation? And it’s interesting.
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Another thing that not being tested for, which I don’t think it should be, but, like, creatine at adequate doses, interestingly, for years, we’ve all been told take your 5 grams, and you’re good. But what’s often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread, the optimal one for every single person.
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You will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose, but it doesn’t mean you’re gonna get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics, how much you weigh, muscle mass
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Right.
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Metabolism. So
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5 grams for a 140 pound person versus a 240
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pound person. So, like, some studies have found, increased benefits up to, like, 20 grams a day. Woah. Yeah. And if your GI can tolerate it, like, could be worth trying to see if you get an effect out of, you know, 10 grams and then elevate from there.
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Do you take it? Oh, yeah. I take in gummy form.
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That’s hard to get an adequate dose, though. How is that? Well, how many gummies do you need to take to get 5?
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I take 6. It says take 3. I take 6. Well, let’s let’s see what the dose is. Go to, try create.
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Yeah. That’s what’s 1 I had to take those too. It’s 1.5 per gummy, I think.
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Okay. So I’m taking 7, 8.
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So some of the most recent studies are in, like, elderly women taking 20 grams.
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01:17:37
Woah. Yeah. I’ll start doing that.
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Start with, like, 10. See if your GI tolerates it.
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01:17:42
No problem with creatine.
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01:17:43
Okay.
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I used to I used to think it made my face fat, but I think I was just heating too fast stuff.
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One of the problems with gummies is oftentimes they’re less likely to meet label claims. So Really? I don’t know if that’s, like, a third party rigorously tested product or not, but Interesting. Something to be cautious of.
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Right.
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And then there’s 2 types. Right? There’s creatine monohydrate, and then there’s another what is the other one?
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01:18:04
There’s different formats, but some are like, HCL is essentially just bound to, HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate. Thought to be, you know, water solubility and other things. But in general, monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it, is tried and true, is cheaper, easier to access.
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Isn’t there some other stuff? H something that you take in combination with it?
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Butane, HCL, maybe.
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01:18:37
Wow. HMN? What the hell? HMB? HMB. Yeah. That’s that’s it. What is that?
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That’s, I believe, a metabolite of leucine, which is, like, very, basically stimulates mTOR. So could be useful for, I think, people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis. So, like, I don’t know, older people who don’t get enough protein, for example. Right. It has shown efficacy.
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It’s just the situations and contextually where it is the most effective is gonna be somebody who is not eating enough protein. But it’s like how many people are eating enough protein as well. Right. Yeah. It’s the some studies have found that, you know, upwards of 1 gram per pound of body weight per day could be beneficial, and most people aren’t getting that.
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So My diet is almost entirely protein. Yeah. Yeah. My diet is mostly meat.
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Fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you’re not supplementing with protein. You’re just eating meat and, like, animal derived sources. And then even harder if you’re a vegetarian too.
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If you’re just eating meat and animal derived sources, it’s hard?
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For, I think, for a lot of people to get high quality just if you’re gonna eat over, I don’t know, a pound and a half to 2 pounds of meat
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a day, like, you could hit
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your needs pretty easily.
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Oh, I do that easy.
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Yeah. But that’s not like a typical person, I would say.
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That’s most most of my meals are meat.
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Okay.
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Like, my breakfast today, I ate, like, a pound of elk. Yeah. That was my breakfast. So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday. So I’ll take out of my, freezer. I take a bunch of elk steaks.
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Mhmm.
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And, I put them on the Traeger. I slow cook them at, like, 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature, and then I sear them. I cut them up, and then I put them in, like, a glass container and put them in my refrigerator. And then I pull it out whenever I wanna eat.
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So you have how much meat per day? Multiple pounds. Multiple? Yeah. Cooked away?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I probably eat at least £3 of meat a day.
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Yeah. Yeah. You might be getting I forgot how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores or at least the equivalent of 5 grams, but you’d probably still benefit from trying supplementing more. Well, I do
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take those gummies. Like I said, I take 6 of those a day, but maybe I’m gonna
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take the powder, bro.
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I’m gonna take 20 gummies.
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Let’s see what happens.
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Let’s see what happens. Half your
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calories, gummies, and breast meat.
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Yeah. Let’s see what’s up. They don’t seem to make you, they don’t they don’t upset my stomach at all.
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It makes you wonder if there’s actually
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Well, you
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think the creatine in it then.
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01:21:11
Wow. I’ve never had, upset stomach from creatine. Never taken in the past. But I’m taking it now more consistently than I’ve ever taken it before. Because with the gummies, it’s so easy. I keep it in the gym. I just bust it open. Yeah. Eat some of them.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s, They
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taste good too.
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Yeah. And one of the most slept on supplements for sure. I think it kinda got, I don’t know, like, not as much attention as it deserves. Maybe more recently, it’s gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot, but it’s, like, super useful for a myriad of things.
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01:21:44
What is the mechanism for it giving you a cognitive, enhancing benefit?
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I think it’s thought to be, like, local energy production in the brain. So some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies in the capacity to produce ATP. And if you can, like, backfill it with, like, a readily available source of phosphocreatine, then you could basically get it to baseline of where it should be.
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It makes you wonder. Like, people that are on a vegan diet, like, what what are their creatine levels like?
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Not good enough for sure. There’s no way. Right? Oh, it’s impossible. Even if you’re somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you’re good. But unless you’re eating multiple pounds a day, it’s unlikely that you’ve saturated stores.
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Well, that’s, like, one of the more insidious things about these people that are prosthetizers who’s trying to get people to become vegan. Mhmm. And they’ll one of the things that they say is that it’ll improve your athletic performance, which is like straight horseshit.
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Mhmm.
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01:22:45
Like, I don’t know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that’s a vegan. Do you?
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No. I know some IFBB pros who are vegan, but Really? They do a lot to optimize their diets that requires, like, special protein supplements and this and that.
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01:23:02
And a massive amount of steroids.
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Yeah. A lot of them are dope too.
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Yeah. That helps.
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Yeah. So there are definitely successful, like, people who thrive, I think, doing vegan diets, but oftentimes, it is more meticulous in the planning needed to, like, actually make it so you could thrive on it as opposed to, like, if you’re eating enough red meat and whatnot.
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Like, you sort of you can be stupid and still cover your bases essentially.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So the difference between, one thing is, like, if someone say, well, a pound of broccoli will equal, you know, x amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein. That’s but it’s not the same bioavailability.
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Yeah. Like, the amino acid composition is not going to be the same, and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic. So, like, some vegans, I would assume, might actually benefit from supplementing with, like, essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they’re not hitting a leucine threshold.
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Right.
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So and that’s where, like, an HMB also can maybe be have use as well.
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And is creatine is it sourced in a vegan way, or is is any of it derived from animal sources?
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That’s a good question.
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I’m not sure. But if you
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can make testosterone from soy
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Right.
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That’s great. I think creatine you probably get.
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It’s pretty
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crazy what they can synthesize.
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Oh, dude. Yeah. You would never think. That’s where you get it from. Right?
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Yeah. Well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create, like, all the stuff that we have available right now. Yeah.
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Like, some dude, like, took a fucking yam and was like, hey. These chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we, like, make in our balls. Like, let’s tweak it and, like, make it let’s sell it to people as testosterone.
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Yeah. I don’t even know.
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And it works. Yeah. That’s what’s nuts. It’s, like, super effective. Yeah. Yeah. It’s very strange that it’s also kind of derided that, like, people, like, look down upon it. Like, why would you look down upon anything, especially as you’re an older person? Why would you look down upon anything that’s gonna make you feel better?
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Yeah. No. I think, more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is you can argue even more of a necessity than at least with men, a lot can maintain residual hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term. But with women, once you get menopause, like, you are guaranteed to have, like, a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production
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Yeah.
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To where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in danger if you don’t replace those hormones.
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Wow.
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Yeah. So it’s almost like, I don’t know, like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago on That’s
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the thing. For for women, there was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s, I think it was the Women’s Health Initiative. They had some study that showed, like, a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible insignificant amounts, and they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical.
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So it’d be like the equivalent of me putting you on DECA and then being like, oh, well, you got cancer, so testosterone sucks.
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Right.
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Right. Which is fucking ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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So they were using, like, horse piss derived estrogens or something and then, like, some shady progestin and determining, oh, HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in cancer risk, which at least to date in bioidentical hormones, we have not seen play out. And the upside far outweighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now. It’s just not really permeated the, I don’t know, like, masses yet.
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Well, think about how many fucking people are on testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems.
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I don’t
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know of anybody that has a problem with it. I I I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it, and they feel so much better. They have so much more energy, more life.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s, super impactful. And for for women too, like, no more hot flashes while you’re sleeping. Your bones aren’t gonna degrade at the same rates. Like, your brain is not like, Alzheimer’s rates in women are, like, 2 x that of men. And it’s
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Really?
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Of oh, it’s definitely intertwined with menopause shutting off their hormones.
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01:27:28
Wow. Yeah. There’s so much shit information out there. Yeah. That’s what’s fucked. When you hear about studies that, like, you know, when when the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat, because, see, they were trying to say the saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar.
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When you see about and I think they only paid them, like, $50,000 or something crazy. So it’s 19 sixties. God. You know don’t
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know that? Well, I didn’t know it was $50.
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I’m pretty sure. I’m pretty sure it’s like That’s fucked up. $50,000. And it ruined everybody. But if
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it was a bigger amount of money, it would be fine. But, I mean, it’s just shocking how little it was.
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If they paid them 50,000,000, you’d be like, well, you know, you’re unethical. But, hey, if somebody offered me 50,000,000, who knows what I would do? No. $50,000 and these motherfuckers ruined people for decades and days.
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01:28:15
Wanted a portion just ruined, like, the fucking Yeah. Food pyramid.
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01:28:19
Oh, it’s like they’ve they’ve here it is. Yep. There it is. 50 years ago, Sugar Industry quietly paid scientists who wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today’s dollars for the research. So he’s even less than $50,000. So it’s $50,000 today. So if 50 years ago, that’s probably $10. Yeah. They paid him $10, and these motherfuckers ruined everyone’s health. Yeah. Got people taking margarine.
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Oh, brutal.
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I’m being scared of butter and eggs and and meat. Damn, dude. Crazy.
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01:28:51
Yeah. So your diet is just meat?
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Yeah. Mostly.
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01:28:55
What about fruit? I eat fruit.
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Yeah. Yeah. I love fruit.
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Because you’ve been, like, cycling back and forth between I
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I like fruit before I work out. I like fruit after I work out sometimes. You know, I like fruit, but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to. Yeah. Like, if some asparagus and it’s looking good, I’ll have some asparagus. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, if I see some brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste. Yeah. Sort of like I think of it like pasta, except not as bad for you. Yeah.
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I think of it as like, oh, that would probably taste good. I’d like to eat some of that. I don’t think of it as, like, this is like nutrition and fuel. Yeah. So when I when I eat for nutrition and fuel, it’s eggs and steak. Yeah.
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That’s 90 plus percent of my diet.
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01:29:35
Have you been following the, boxing gold medal debacle with that like
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01:29:41
First of all, x y chromosome, case closed.
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Yeah. If you have
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01:29:45
a fucking and this is what the enhanced game wants to do. So the enhanced games, you know, they’re developing this Olympic style event and they’re they’re spending a lot of money on it. They have a lot of big investors and they’re gonna give real prizes like $1,000,000 if you win the gold medal instead of 0 which is what the Olympics goes.
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And I asked them. I’m like, how are you gonna address, like, trans athletes? And they said, we we think we’re gonna do chromosomes. But Yeah. Yeah.
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Which is really the only way to do it politically. Correct? Yeah. You know, you don’t say this is not a woman. You say, what what are your chromosomes?
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If you forget it, ma’am, what are your chromosomes? X y. Ma’am, you gotta be in the x y box. Get over there. But I identify as a woman.
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Get over there. Get over there.
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Apparently, they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the nineties, I believe. They stopped doing it. And then since then, it’s been, like, these weird nuance scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone level looking male or whatever? And, you know, it’s, it gets nuanced with the type of, like, disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others.
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And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true, it’s basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it’s basically, like, a 5 alpha reductase deficiency is basically just depriving your body of DHT. But if you have internal testes making testosterone, you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone and all the psychoactive effects and all that.
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So
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Yeah. Lung size, heart size.
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That’s to be determined, which I think that that athlete should go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true or if it wasn’t true.
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But They would have already done that. Yeah. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. You know? I just I think if too many people are calling you a man like, there’s this one case of, there was that runner
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01:31:40
who Chester Samania?
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Right. So that’s a very different thing.
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No. That was, like, potentially the same thing.
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Really? Yeah. So x y chromosome?
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Had internal testes, x y chromosomes, 5 alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes. Oh, jeez. You might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven’t had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT.
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So it’s almost like the equivalent to putting a kid at birth on, like, a mega dose of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT.
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01:32:15
Oh,
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wow. They still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone, but no not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT.
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01:32:29
Well, let’s see, what is, the latest on this. So let’s find out what is the leaked story on this boxer and, find out, like, like, has anybody analyzed this? Is there any, like, conclusion that anybody’s drawn?
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I don’t think so. I think it’s still is the leaked report legit or not? And
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Story I could find or this is November 6th.
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01:32:52
Confirms Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical but this is just about the legal.
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No. No. I’m I was looking for any story about it having updated information. This was the the most recent story was written, and anything else was from October where it was saying that she was not
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saddened by the abuse she has received. Do you think they’ll go back and edit this if it turns out she’s a man? He’s saddened by the abuse that he’s received.
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01:33:14
It was the it was about the the claims that the they were stripped of their title or their gold medal. Oh.
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Well, that’s not true. No. They haven’t been stripped. So if they’re suing over that, that they they can actually win that lawsuit.
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01:33:25
Oh, they’re suing over something in the French media because they’ve re gotten,
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01:33:30
And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into, you know, the whole politically correct angle of it too to not get the scrutiny of you, let this person punch women in the head.
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01:33:40
Of course. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. She’d never felt a punch like this. Yeah. So what?
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01:33:46
They have all sports too. Yeah. Fucking fighting people.
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01:33:49
Yeah. It’s pretty crazy. But so what is the leaked report, Jamie? Find out what the leaked report excuse me. The leaked report of this person is.
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That’s what that’s what this has to do with it, I think.
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I understand what it has to do with it, but find out what the actual leak report is. Like, what is the leak report? Oh, Jesus.
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01:34:07
I think it was the, basically assessment of Internal testicles. Yeah.
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01:34:13
Okay. French journalist. But it’s been there’s been multiple studies or multiple, articles written saying that this person has x y chromosomes.
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01:34:22
That was a a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that Yeah. International Boxing Association
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did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility tests. But the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here’s the thing, like, is this when when they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they by what?
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Yeah. This is the crazy thing is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport. Oh. But it’s like, you know, if you look female at birth, you easily could if you have this disorder.
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01:35:03
So Didn’t Dylan Mulvaney change their passport to a female?
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Oh, probably.
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Did they? Just find out can you change your passport to female if you’re transgender? I think you can. Yeah. I don’t I don’t know if Dylan Mulvaney did it.
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I guess it’s a low barrier too. Like, you just have, like, a fucking ID piece that says you’re female. Therefore, we’re gonna ignore testes. Yeah. Like, what the fuck?
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01:35:26
The whole thing is so crazy. This this is one of the weirder aspect. And the reason why people harp on it so much, why is everybody so obsessed with trans? Because this is why. Because it’s bizarre. No medical documentation. You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker. So this is for on US passport.
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01:35:43
You can select m for male, f for female, or x for unspecified or another gender identity. So you can have x on your passport. I think I’m gonna get that. So no medical documentary. So I could be a female. I could just say I’m a female, show up with a full beard.
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01:35:59
Genetic marker you select doesn’t need to match your gender on your citizenship, evidence, or photo ID. See, the reason why this works is I don’t know what’s going on inside you. I don’t know how you feel. I I’m I could be arrogant and completely not compassionate, and I could just decide that you’re just full of shit and you’re a guy.
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01:36:24
Or you could be in agony going through life feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick. I think there’s that too. But, like, I talked about in my comedy special. Perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID. Like, they don’t exist anymore.
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01:36:43
Like, a guy in a dress who gets a hard on going into the women’s room is a woman now. They used to be psychos. It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie Psycho dressed up like his mom, Silence of the Lambs who puts the lotion in the basket. It was it was like there were if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier, you put them in a dress. Yeah.
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01:37:02
You took a psycho killer, you made them dress like a woman, like, oh, this guy is fucking crazy. And then somewhere, we just decided that doesn’t exist anymore. And so there’s no perverts. And so anyone who just says they’re a woman gets to go in the women’s room, go in the women’s locker, play in women’s sports, and you’re completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people.
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Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, or just perverts. They just wanna sneak around women’s room and smell their shit. There’s people that are out of their mind, and you’ve given them a hall pass.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, I could empathize with somebody who didn’t know and then became aware of it. And then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing. It would suck Yes. For everyone involved, obviously, but, like, I could understand, like, how shitty of a predicament that is. Yes.
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But it’s like the onus is on you once you’ve been assessed to not compete anymore
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01:38:03
Right.
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And to, like, confirm what the fuck is going on.
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01:38:05
Yeah. Go fight guys.
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Yeah. And it’s like, even if you’re at a disadvantage, like, well, it doesn’t mean you fight girls at your advantage. Exactly. Yeah.
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01:38:14
Yeah. If you’re at a disadvantage fighting guys, you probably shouldn’t be fighting.
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01:38:17
Yeah. Like, how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men? Is it bro?
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01:38:23
Well, also, here’s the other argument. There is a spectrum. Right? So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone that are guys, like, say, Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody. You know, when it comes to, like, genetics, he’s just like a fucking specimen from God. Right?
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01:38:39
So you get that, which is the rarest of rare. Right? And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank. There’s, like, a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don’t wanna disparage anybody. But there’s a bunch of guys.
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01:38:49
You look at me like, that’s not a specimen, but super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach, and they manage to fight really well. But if they go up against a guy who is just a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training, they’re gonna have an advantage.
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It’s just a natural god given advantage. The universe has kissed them with genetics. And those people exist, man. And so you can’t say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now because he can’t beat Yoel Romero. Like, that’s stupid. Yeah. That’s fucking stupid.
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01:39:23
And it’s also you’re not protecting women. I thought that the left was all about protecting women. Like, this is the whole thing about progressives. Protect people that are, like, not as safe. Like, I don’t generally worry about women raping me. Never.
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Yeah.
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Never in my life have I been in a bar and go, boy, I hope some woman doesn’t try to rape me. Yeah. Yeah. I hope some woman doesn’t try to root for me and get my dick hard and, like, no one ever thinks that way. But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway. They worry about that. Guys don’t worry about that.
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01:39:59
It’s it’s just a completely different dynamic. So when you’re comparing, like, trans this and trans that, like, there’s not a guy I’ve ever talked to in my life that doesn’t that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men’s room.
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Yeah.
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I don’t give a fuck. If like, what’s that person that was Chaz Bono. Chaz Bono. Sunny Bono’s daughter that became a man. Mhmm. Chaz can come into the men’s room. I don’t give a fuck. It doesn’t even freak me out at all. If Chaz is in the men’s room and I have a 2 year old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom, go to the bathroom, I’m not worried about Chaz Bono, but I am worried about a pervert.
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01:40:47
If I if I was a guy and, I, had a a a daughter and she was, like, 10 years old and she went into the women’s room, and then I saw a man with a fucking 5 o’clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her, and I couldn’t go in the men I couldn’t go in the women’s room and see what’s going on.
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01:41:05
I go, I don’t know. That might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard, or it could be a complete fucking psycho, which are real things. And by being this compassionate person, I’m supposed to ignore the the reality of psychos. Yeah. That’s crazy. Yeah. This is where it becomes like a cult.
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01:41:25
Like, this is where it becomes like you’re indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can’t stray from at all. And if you do, you’re you’re cast out of the kingdom forever. You’re you’re a heretic. You’re a terrible person.
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01:41:39
Yeah. Fucked up, man. It’s, I don’t really know. Even the the scrutiny on it, I don’t really know how they don’t acknowledge how absurd it is. Like
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01:41:50
So it’s when you watch people defend it, they have to do mental gymnastics. Yeah. It just do you ever see that conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it? No. Oh. Oh. It was one of the most brutal conversations of all time.
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01:42:05
It’s about trans women in sports. And Oh,
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so this is like a debate?
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01:42:08
Well, it didn’t turn out to be. It wasn’t planned out. It just it just came about because he was doing you know, he’s just we’re talking about it, and it got to the subject of trans women competing. And his position was, like, I’m in favor of a sport that’s more inclusive. So if that makes it more inclusive for trans women and he was, like, in favor of hormone blockers for children that they they’ve always known that they’re a woman.
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01:42:30
Like, what the fuck are you you don’t have any kids. You don’t know what kids are like. You you could tell your kids that they’re a werewolf. Like, stay just keep away from the full moon. You’re a werewolf. Oh, I always knew. Like, kid they’re kids. Yeah. Their brain’s not formed.
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01:42:42
And also, they wanna please you. And if you’re a I mean, how many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids? How many people where they fly the flag of inclusivity and they’re they’re a proud progressive, and I’m proud that I have a queer child. How much of that is your influence? Is it 0%? Because I bet it’s not. I bet there’s some sort of reinforcement of that.
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01:43:09
It’s just like the the numbers are so extraordinary. We have parents that have 3 trans kids. You’re like, what? 3? What are the odds of that? And you’re nuts?
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01:43:20
You’re a nutty actress, and you have 3 trans kids? What’s going on here? And you’re not allowed to say it. If you say anything, you say, oh, this person who’s clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome. You know?
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01:43:35
Like, they they might be doing something terrible to their child because they’re just fucking nuts, and they want a trans kid, like, so they could fly it as a they could put their pride flag in their fucking front door, and they feel like a better person. There are people like that. And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want.
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01:43:51
They want you to have complete freedom to express yourself. I don’t care if a guy wears a dress. Wear a dress, man. If that’s what you like, I don’t care. You wanna paint your nails, wanna have lipstick on. I don’t give a fuck. Have a good time.
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I want you to be happy. I’ll be your friend. Just don’t try to compete against women in sports. That’s fucking nuts.
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Yeah.
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And don’t try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the in the women’s locker room. It’s how about the guy in Canada that’s 50 years old that identifies as a a a a teenage girl and was competing in, like, young girls swimming, and they they allowed him because Canada, like, you know.
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01:44:24
Yeah.
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01:44:25
You
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live there. Off the rails, you live in a communist shithole. That place is nuts. Yeah. And they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time. They on taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk. Do you know about this story?
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01:44:42
No.
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Oh, yeah. Has an adopted child, paid for them paid for this person to lactate. Imagine the toxic milk that’s coming out of this man’s head. Horrendous. Like, what is in there? Like, what are you generating? You don’t even have the glands for it. Like, what’s actually being secreted there? Like, what is that?
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01:45:02
Yeah. It’s like, if you ask me, would it be good milk quality from some guy on trend or deca, and he’s just fucking fucking secreting shit out of his nipples. I’d be like, fuck no, dude.
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01:45:13
Fuck no. Yeah. Like, what is happening? What is in that milk? And what is that gonna do to the baby that’s sucking on it? Ugh. And all in the name of inclusivity. All in the name of being a kind, compassionate, open minded person. That’s not open minded. That’s nuts, and it’s cowardly because you’re afraid to say what you know to be true because you don’t wanna suffer the repercussions.
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01:45:33
You don’t wanna be called a transphobe, whatever the fuck that means. You don’t wanna be called a bigot. You don’t wanna be called any of these things. So you’ll go along with some of the most preposterous ideas, including pretending that perverts don’t exist.
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01:45:46
Yeah. I hope, I don’t know if Pierre is gonna get into winning the election and get Trudeau out, but seems seems like a reasonable
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01:45:57
guy. Well, he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau, who seems completely insane. Yeah.
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01:46:02
And, like, candidly, I’m not, like, a political expert by any fucking means at all, so don’t take anything I’m saying seriously. Apparently, last time I was here, people thought I was, like, by not saying anything about it, I was, like, endorsing Trudeau or something. I was
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01:46:15
like saying anything about it?
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01:46:16
I don’t know. There was, like, comments about how, like, Derek knows better. He knows who this PR guy is. I’m like, oh, I just don’t follow this shit like I should probably.
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01:46:24
Yeah.
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01:46:25
So but he, yeah, he seems, reasonable. And in contrast to Trudeau, who’s like a fucking
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Full on
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01:46:31
long show.
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01:46:32
Full on lunatic who’s completely changed his tune on so many different things, including going after guns, what they did with the trucker the trucker strike.
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01:46:41
Yeah. Like, the debanking thing you guys talked about recently. It’s, like, not new news in Canada. I know. Yeah.
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01:46:47
Well, they did it to people who donated Yeah. To the trucker convoy, which is really crazy. So you just say, hey, these people shouldn’t be mandated to get a vaccine that has, you know, a safety profile that’s really like a we don’t really know yet. We don’t know. There’s no long term studies. We don’t really know what’s gonna happen. And you’re just, like, mandating this. Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why?
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01:47:07
I don’t have to do it. Why are you making me do it? It turned out you really didn’t have to do it. So this is what what’s turned out now. Like, you know, the was it the here, I’ll I’ll send it to you, Jamie.
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01:47:17
So they released a study recently where the actual government went and looked over here. I’ll show you this. So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic, and the findings are they’re, you know, not that shocking to anybody who’s actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young.
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01:47:42
And this or when, you know, COVID was recent rather. So COVID 19, this is, the house released a 500 page report on COVID 19 pandemic. Key findings, COVID 19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan, China. Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned. Okay.
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01:48:00
Over $200,000,000,000 in relief funds lost to fraud with criminals exploiting weak oversight, prolonged lockdowns, and arbitrary mandates cause severe harm. Economic devastation, mental health crises, and historic learning loss while lacking robust scientific support. Policies ignored natural immunity pushing mandates that eroded trust and harmed public perception of science. Absolutely.
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01:48:27
WHO and CDC compromised by political interference, offering inconsistent unscientific guidance that fueled public distrust, and the key players included federal agencies and Cuomo’s administration actively obstructed oversight efforts and hid critical evidence. Christ. Select subcommittee on coronavirus pandemic basically said all the conspiracy theorists were correct. Every single one of them, no repercussions, no retractions, no apology from Rachel Maddow.
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None of it.
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01:49:02
Yeah, man. It’s, yeah, in Canada, the lockdowns were pretty absurd. I don’t hear they were it depended on the state and whatever, but, yeah, Canada was like, get your vaccines. You’re not leaving to go anywhere. Yeah. Like
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01:49:15
Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.
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01:49:17
Fucked up. Did you have to take it? Yeah, dude. Fucking sucked.
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01:49:20
Did you have a side effect?
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01:49:21
No. Well, at least that I could tell and I’ve Did
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01:49:24
you ever do a D Dimer test?
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01:49:25
Yeah.
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01:49:25
It’s horrible. Oh, that’s good. Yeah.
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01:49:28
Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who’s very knowledgeable in this. And he said that one of the real problems was the lack of, aspiration, that they didn’t aspirate when they, injected people. Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and and shot it in there.
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01:49:43
So is it supposed to stay like local or something?
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01:49:46
And it’s supposed The idea about it was it’s supposed to stay local.
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01:49:49
Right? Mhmm.
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01:49:50
It’s supposed to stay local. But, apparently, there’s been if you talk to Bret Weinstein, a bunch of other peoples, there’s a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local. That they’ve been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body. And the the issue though was if you didn’t aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel. Oh.
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01:50:08
So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things. So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it’s being attacked. Right? Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn’t heal. Right? Which is why your heart doesn’t get cancer. Your heart scars. Like, your liver heals. Your liver regenerates.
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01:50:33
You could lose half your liver. You know, you could donate half your liver to someone, and it’ll grow back in weeks.
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01:50:38
Yeah. Yeah. Liver’s resilient.
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01:50:40
It’s nuts.
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01:50:41
Yeah.
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01:50:41
But your heart’s not like that. So the heart scars over and it leads to, you know, enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis. So this is the thought this is what my friend told me who’s a very intelligent person, I wanna name him. But he said that the real issue is that they didn’t aspirate.
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01:50:57
And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long term issues from the vaccine is because it went right in their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular.
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Yeah. There is several times now because as especially if you’re on TRT, you’re probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who’s, like, a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day if just as part of their gig.
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And you’re kinda risking it if you just let somebody else pin you. Like, sometimes you feel like being like, hey. Like, can I do this? Right.
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Yeah. Right. But even then, like, if you jam it into your arm, it’s possible that you could hit a blood vessel.
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Yeah. Have you ever heard of Trenkov?
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I have. What is that?
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Yeah. So it’s thought to be that if you get into, like, you nick a vein or something or you’d, like, hit a blood vessel, for example, and you get it some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely, it goes very quickly up to your lungs, and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to, like, expel whatever is there.
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Woah. Woah. And so, like, I could absolutely see something that wasn’t meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic. Like, with Treynkoff, I’ve experienced it personally back in the day. This is, like, one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is if you get Trenkov, it’s, like, the most pathetic scenario you’ll ever find yourself in because you’re just this muscle bound dude who just injected yourself with, like, cattle steroids, and you’re just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up along, sweating your fucking face off.
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I’m like, what am I doing with my life? And you can’t get around it other than just, like, cloth a lung for 3 minutes.
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It takes 3 minutes for it to go away.
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It depends, but, like, how much you have and all this a bunch of stuff. But, yeah, it’s like, basically, if it happens, you can feel it coming on. You just, like, fucking brace yourself on the sink, and you can get ready to hack up along for a few minutes.
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Jesus. And is it a consistent thing, or is it a one time thing, like, right after injection, or is it something
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that refers?
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Injection, but it’s, like, you know, who knows what that does once you get, like, solvents and fucking, you know, like, whatever else is in your compound in your solution into systemic circulation immediately. Like, I don’t know.
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What is trend is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including, like, jujitsu guys that really wanna get super jacked. They take trend.
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Yeah.
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And I’m like, what is it about the trend? And they apparently get, like, ultraviolet when they’re on trend.
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Yeah. So it’s a unique compound that
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was called trenbolone? Is that what it’s?
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Yeah. And it used to be used in for, like I forgot what the clinical application was, but it was a pharmaceutical approved steroid back in the eighties and then was, you know, basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that, interestingly enough, Biden was the one who spearheaded getting, like, steroids scheduled, essentially.
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Biden did?
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Yeah. He was, like, at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling.
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If I don’t have muscles, nobody has muscles.
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Yeah. And that’s like he’s blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinement in anabolic steroids because now we’re stuck with the same drugs we’ve been using since, like, the eighties. Wow. So, like, every drug category has had significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect written, etcetera. Mhmm.
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Like GLP one medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being, like, lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic. And with steroids, that was being done in the eighties. And then once there is, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was Yeah.
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That brought all this, you know, public outcry out
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of stuff.
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Canadian. Yeah. And it
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getting tested positive for, Windstrel, I think. And people were like, is this just gonna become like a fucking, like, chemical warfare essentially in the Olympics? And whoever’s doped the most is gonna win. People are freaking out, and the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone, scheduled.
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Wow.
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Yeah. And then there was this huge stigma developed around them, and the taboo of being on steroids was developed. And that’s kinda what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them. Yeah.
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So we could have, like, a really refined, highly effective compounds by now that don’t make your heart explode if you just if they just continued, probably.
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Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon, essentially decriminalized everything. I think they’ve taken that back now because I think it was like a just Oregon’s a disaster anyway, Portland in particular. Like, you go, there’s just needles and drug addicts and
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it’s
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like open air drug Mart everywhere. Because all the homelessness and the camping on the street, the the tent situation there is fucking nuts. And they’re super tolerant progressive people, so, like, overwhelmingly. Right? So they just they they look at it, like, in terms of compassion for these people.
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We need to fund them and you’re basically giving them money to stay homeless. It’s really nuts. So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we’re just gonna have fucking people are gonna go haywire with meth and and, you know, and whatever else they wanna get. But they also did it with steroids. They did it with everything. They essentially decriminalized all drugs. But I think they took did they take that back, Jamie?
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I would be curious even if it was decriminalized though, what the access would be like because it’s still gonna be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which from what I understand is actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to, like, it getting better.
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Well, they’re scrutinizing peptides now, which is Yeah. Really crazy. Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect making possession a crime again. So is it of all things? Did they just change the law totally? So is the Democratic controlled legislature passed the recriminalization law in March, overhauling a measure approved by 58% of voters in 2020 that made possessing illicit drugs like heroin punishable by a ticket and a maximum $100 fine.
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The measure directed 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars in
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cannabis tax revenue towards addiction services, but the money was
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slow to get out the door at a time when the fentanyl crisis was causing a spike in deadly overdoses, and health officials grappling with the COVID 19 pandemic were struggling to stand up the new treatment system, state auditors found. Okay. So they just couldn’t keep up with what was they didn’t follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers.
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Yeah. And, like, some of this stuff is like I don’t even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can’t even get it prescribed to be in waste. Right.
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You can’t manufacture it. Yeah. Like Still, like, if you’re if you’re allowed to get cocaine if you’re allowed to possess cocaine, well well, are you buying fentanyl laced cocaine from the cartel? Like, what do you Yeah.
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Like, in Canada, it’s not a I’m pretty sure it’s not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it, it is a crime. And there’s still no pharmacies that are making, like, pharmaceutical grade steroids that aren’t testosterone.
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Could a pharmacy make it and give it away? Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person?
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I don’t think so. Probably not, man. Right.
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So if it’s decriminalized and you’re allowed to possess it, are you allowed to make it?
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No. I think just, like, the process of distributing I don’t even know. But I know, like, Oxandrine, for example, Anavar was recently, like, banned entirely, and it’s been allowed to be prescribed for certain, like, hyper specific niche purposes for decades. It’s been around since the eighties.
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And And it’s banned in America as well?
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Yeah. Like, recently, it was added to, like, it it was basically deapproved. But why? Good question. Apparently, I I But you can still
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get the COVID 19 vaccine?
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Yeah. Easily.
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They’ll still tell you to get it.
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Yeah. They’ll try
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to give it to kids.
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Yeah. Swapped up, man. Yeah. But,
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It’s crazy because, like, how many people are dying from Antivar?
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Not many. Yeah.
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Like, what’s the numbers? It’s like what is it? Like, Brazil nut deaths?
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You know
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what I mean? Like, it’s definitely not the safe it’s safe drug, but, I mean, like, it’s you know, when it’s used appropriately, it can be fine. Right.
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Yeah. But there’s not a crisis.
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No. No. Yeah. Yeah. It’s the thing.
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It’s like, why are you passing laws when there’s not an issue?
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Yeah. I don’t know what the effect of RFK will be, but it sounds like he might be able to influence things now in, like, a positive direction to that stuff.
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He looks a little saucy. Oh, for sure. He’s 70.
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He I think he admitted that he’s on TRT.
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Yeah. Clearly. Yeah. I mean, if you you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s good. And he also is open to the idea of, changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is gonna be really important to people.
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There’s a there’s a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that’s really all it is. People who are ignorant to the effects, ignorance to the they’re ignorant to all of it, and they’re compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies.
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Yeah. I definitely think psychedelics have utility. One thing I do see that freaks me out though is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with, like, heavy Ayahuasca exposure or whatever.
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Oh,
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yeah. Like, have you seen I’ve seen multiple cases of this on social media as well as in real life. People have gone, like, retreats and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave and not in a good way. Like like weirdos. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. I know a few.
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Yeah.
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Like, have you seen a Liver King recently? No. What’s going on? He seems like, I don’t know, like, borderline schizophrenic now.
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Okay. But is that also I think he was mentally ill.
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Right? Maybe.
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I would’ve listen. Let me just classify my definition of mental illness as someone who lies. I think it’s a mental illness.
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Okay.
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I think lying when it’s really obvious. Yeah. Like, you know, if I try to tell people I’m 6 foot 3, that’s an obvious lie. If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler, that’s crazy. You have to be a crazy person. That’s a mental illness. If you lie and say you’re black and you’re actually white and you, like, work for the NAACP, like, the Rachel Dolezal lady, kind of mentally ill. Right? Yeah.
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So it’s mental that’s a mental ill. There’s something wrong. You’re not, like, not thinking clear. And you’re doing a thing that we generally, like, universally say is a bad thing, which is lying. Mhmm. Right?
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So if you’re doing that, you’re lying about taking steroids when it’s super obvious you’re on steroids.
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02:01:39
Mhmm.
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You’re 46 years old. You look like a fucking superhero. You’re right? You’re just super jacked. Yeah. You know? And then gets caught. Okay? So now he has to come out and say that he’s now imagine you’ve never been famous, and then all of a sudden you are really, really famous really quickly over the course of a few years.
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Like, social media, all over TikTok, your profile is elevated to the point where you could say to the regular person’s street, you know who Liver King is. Like, oh, yeah. That roided up guy. Everybody knows who he is. Then the hate because your labs come out and finds out he’s on a shitload of things.
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This guy’s juice to the tits, obviously. For a guy like you or a guy like me, we look at a guy like that. Like, you’ve gotta be on the juice. You don’t even look remotely normal.
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See, everyone says that, though, too, but a lot of people believe them.
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Well, a
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lot of people are just ignorant. Right? Yeah. But the people that knew, like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids. Right? Yeah. So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate. Now I don’t this dude, I don’t know what this dude does in terms of, like, social media if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long.
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Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are filled with people who hate you. Yeah. Filled with it. And you’re just, like, sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions. And your your your brain probably gets overrun by stress.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. It’s, I I don’t even know. For for him specifically, either if he did psychedelics or not, I’m pretty sure he’s talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd, and it kinda reflected behavior I’ve seen of people who had, like, experiences gone awry.
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Yeah. But certainly not representative of what happens if it’s done properly.
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Well, I think it’s depends on if it’s done properly to who?
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Yeah. Like, your baseline state and, like, what what you’re yeah.
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I think there’s people like, this is the argument that Alex Berenson had when he wrote that book. You know, he used to write for the New York Times. He wrote a book called Tell Your Children. And it’s all his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody. Mhmm. Right? It’s safe for a lot of people.
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I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time. They don’t have any problems. But I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic for marijuana. Now is it they were going schizophrenic anyway and then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point? We don’t really know, but we do know there’s a correlation.
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And I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it with multiple people where they were really normal. And then all of a sudden, they start talking to you about, like, you know, like, someone’s talking to them in their head and there’s a chip and Elon Musk is gonna have them be the king of Mars and, like, people lose their shit, man.
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And they they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion, and it’s horrible to see. Especially if someone that you care about, it’s really fucking weird.
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Kills your REM sleep too.
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Marijuana does.
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Yeah. Well, if you’re using it, like, to sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep. So you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect.
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It definitely fucks with your dreams. Yeah.
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You know
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how I know this? Sober October. When, we do sober October, like, immediately have these wild dreams, like, super vivid dreams. I’m like,
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where are
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these things been? So, like, for the whole month, it’s crazy.
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Do you track the sleep metrics when you’re doing sober October verse?
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No. I was doing it for a while with Whoop. I was, like, checking my recovery. I wasn’t that I’m I’m basically a feel person, like, how do I feel? Yeah. I’m pretty good at knowing how I feel.
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02:05:31
Mhmm.
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And if I feel well rested, if I got 8 hours sleep and I feel well rested, I’m not even gonna check mine. I don’t care. I feel great. Let’s go. Let’s go. I just like I think so much of it is mental. You know, so much of it is, like, the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health. You know, that’s where your energy generally comes from.
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Yeah. The stress of tracking can sometimes, like, defeat the purpose as well for some people.
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I think it’s also, you know, I’ve heard people talk about, like, addiction. You know, like, how many people are addicted to their phones? Most of us. Right? There’s an addiction to checking, like, health metrics. There’s a and there’s also an addiction, like, competing. But I would say that that’s an an addiction that’s fairly positive because you’re addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits.
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02:06:18
So I was like, what is addiction? Okay. If you’re a gambling addict and you’re losing your house and your children don’t have food, okay, that’s a detrimental addiction. But if you’re addicted to exercise and you’re super fit because of it, and you’re you’re gonna live longer and you’re healthy as fuck, and you look great.
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02:06:36
Is that really an addiction? I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same thing. We’re talking about the same kind of pattern, but, like, I’ve been addicted to a lot of things. I’ve been addicted to martial arts, for sure. Like, if I don’t I would be, like, out in public and be if people if people were boring to me, I’d be thinking of combinations.
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02:06:55
I’d be, like, talking to them and I’d be I wasn’t thinking about what they were saying. I was thinking about how it hit them. I’d think about, like, if they step like this, then I go like that. But what if I step here? I was, like, working out footwork and I would do it in my head because I was an addict. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:07:08
But I was addicted to something that was very positive.
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Yeah. No. It’s, you need somewhere to attribute your, I don’t know, dopamine too, I guess. So if it’s positive, it’s, like, probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don’t go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff.
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02:07:25
So
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Well, you can break yourself down with overtraining. You know, I would say that my my good friend David Goggins is breaking his body down with overtraining. And he’s he’s got no cartilage in his knees, and he’s running 1,000 of miles. He’s a complete psychopath. He must be in agony.
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Like, every step he takes, and he does not give a fuck. He just keeps going, and it’s really crazy to see. His doctor looked at his knees and said this is from him directly. He said, I don’t know how you could walk on these knees. Forget about run thousands of miles. Yeah. They had to cut his his knee because it’s bone on bone.
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02:08:00
His bone was distorting so much by growing to kinda, like, deal with the inflammation and, like, it’s like some I forget what it’s called. Something, Wolff syndrome, something. So they had to cut his leg, cut his fucking tibia bone, and shift it down so that it’s flat so they could run flat bone on bone.
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That’s fucked.
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Dude, it’s madness.
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You know what’s even more madness is the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing surgery. That’s crazy.
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Do you do we have found that one guy who was, like, 62 who did it?
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Dude, I’m doing a podcast with him in 2 days.
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What is it called? I got my knees done? Is that what he he took his page down, though, didn’t he?
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02:08:44
Yeah. I think he was off social media for a while, and, I I was actually gonna do a podcast with him last year, and then it didn’t end up working out. And he’s available and into the idea still. So That’s
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02:08:56
well, is he fully healed now?
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02:08:57
He went from 6 foot to 6 foot 6.
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02:09:00
Jesus Christ. Look at the size of him. And this is him wheeling himself around. And he was a massive guy too. Like, look at the size of his fucking arms.
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02:09:09
Yeah. The guy is, like, a genetic freak for muscle for sure.
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And
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Let’s become taller. They’re cranking their legs. This is nuts.
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So, basically, they go in and shove these rods into your legs either in the tibia or the femur, or you can do both if you wanna max out. Oh. And you can basically micro adjust stretch it to create a separation between the bone, which then fills in with new bone over time. And
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02:09:38
This is him 7 months after the lengthening process. I wanna see what your legs look like, dude. Why you got sweatpants on? See what those little toothpicks look like.
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02:09:45
Yeah. So this guy went from, like That’s
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nuts.
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I don’t know what his original height was, but he’s 6 feet now. And he was, like, I think 5 6 or 5 7 when
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he started.
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02:09:53
Wow. That’s crazy.
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02:09:55
So I
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have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now? Right. Are you gonna be able to squat again? You know, like Right. What’s life like now? What was the surgery process, rehabilitation?
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02:10:06
Yeah. What are your mechanics?
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Like, do you have
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to change You have to learn how to fucking
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do everything. The distance between your shin, like, your kneecap, and your foot, if that changes dramatically, like, your whole timing is different. Right? You have more a different leverage. The everything’s different. What does it do to your hips? Yeah. You know, are you gonna wear your hips out earlier?
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Like, your body’s probably, like, has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now.
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Yeah. And this guy too, he’s a unique phenomenon even among the people doing this crazy surgery because he got the full 6 inches, which is not necessarily typical, having both, bones broken to do it, and then maxing it out at the weight he’s at too. So he has to support the recovery on, like, a, I can imagine, seemingly, like, 300 plus frame or something.
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02:10:56
Jesus Christ.
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Like, a lot of people who get it done are, like, 56 trying to become, like, 5.
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02:11:01
Way 150. Yeah. Yeah.
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And it’s, like, more Right. It’s still probably fucking insane regardless of
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insane. Yeah. But Well, it’s just you’re only stretching one bone. Right?
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Yeah. I have to Are
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02:11:12
they doing the tibia as well? It it you picked. So the tibia and the fibula rather? Are you doing both of them?
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02:11:19
Femur or tibia or
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02:11:20
both. Femur? Yeah. Oh.
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Yeah. I I could be misspeaking, but I’m pretty sure it’s 1 or the other. And both?
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02:11:27
Yeah. Oh, Jesus.
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He had both done, and he, like, maxed it out.
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Jesus.
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Yeah. So he’s What is the recovery like? Yeah. Good question.
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02:11:37
So So this is this guy after how long?
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It’s a couple weeks after he’s throwing how he can jump, which is not much.
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02:11:44
A couple weeks after he gets his surgery done? No. No. No. No. No. After he gets the bars pulled off?
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02:11:50
This is all. It’s, like, week by week, I think.
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02:11:52
Jumping after height surgery. Oh, look how skinny his legs are. So he’s pretty skinny. So this is him in the beginning. He’s trying to do it. I would be terrified to do that. See, I would be
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my curiosity is how athletic were they prior, and then what is their maximal, like, what’s their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline? Because
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You could show me a box jump that looks like you’re somewhat functional. But
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legs. That’s so crazy.
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02:12:19
Yeah. So they, like, stick a rod in it and micros, I think, like, a year probably or, I don’t know, months.
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02:12:26
So for a year, you’re walking around with these, like, iron shin plates.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s pretty nuts, dude.
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And Getting all the bitches now. Yeah. Looking all sexy and tall. Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they they showed him doing some, athlete athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great. He looked like a real athlete even though he got it done. It didn’t look like it was unless he’s just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it.
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02:13:01
I would like to know, like, did you have a decrease? Like, could you what I mean, you obviously look insane right now, but what did you used to be able be able to do?
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02:13:08
Yeah. Some of the stuff I’m curious about too is, like, how much of the content you see online is, like, sponsored versus actual, like, user content just reviewing their experience. Because you could see, like, for example, hair transplants. Tons of people get sent, like, fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and Right. Whatever.
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02:13:32
So imagine a guy who’s getting, like, specialized attention, which you would want if you’re getting your fucking legs broken, and you’re getting it covered or whatever. You just make sure you talk about it positively. Right. How much of that content is, like, legit versus, you know, somewhat manufactured?
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02:13:49
That’s a very good point.
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02:13:50
Yeah.
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02:13:50
That’s also one of those things where if you’re a social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you’re doing all the right things.
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02:13:58
Yeah. You would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for height increasing surgery.
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02:14:03
I can’t walk right. I’m in pain all the time. I can’t run anymore.
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02:14:07
You’d become the case study for, like, why to not do it. Or Yeah. Yeah. I wand
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02:14:12
I mean, I I wonder, like, what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics. I really do. I would imagine for martial arts, like, you know where everything is. Like, like, if I’m throwing a kick, I know exactly where my shin is gonna land from the distance that I’m at. Yeah.
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02:14:30
Like, I’ve got, like, this mind my mind is coordinated for this short body. I know exactly how much distance I have to cover. If all of a sudden you add 6 inches to that Oh, yeah. You’re all you’re everything is weird.
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02:14:43
Dude, even gaming timing. Even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong like, for example, when I was in high school, I played basketball, and I started working out in grade 11 and gained, like, £50 in a year. And my 3 pointer that used to be just, like, just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball.
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02:15:05
Like, it was, you know, just second nature to because you’ve been doing it for a decade or whatever. And then all of a sudden, you add this extra force production that you’re not accounting for pre all of a sudden, everything’s thrown off.
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02:15:18
And, also, you’re sore all the time because you’re always lifting, which makes you tight.
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02:15:22
Yeah. I became a brick house after that.
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02:15:24
It’s a giant problem with pool, you know, because I I dip into playing pool. When I lift weights and then play pool, it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good. Oh. Again, everything’s off. It’s like my arm’s not listening right. It’s all stiff. Like, for pool, you wanna, like when I’m playing really well, I’m barely holding on to that cue. Mhmm.
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02:15:44
It’s like I’m almost letting the cue do all the work. It’s like a very gentle thing. Yeah. But then when I’ve been I do, like, a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pools, like, everything’s just tight and goofy and clunky, and you don’t you don’t feel it. Like, pool is like a feel game. Like, you’re feeling how many rotations you’re putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position.
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02:16:08
Like, literally, you’re within 1 or 2 rotations correctly.
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02:16:13
Yeah.
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02:16:13
And that’s the the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not. Yeah. Like, so it’s all feel. Like these guy like Fedor Gorst, who’s like one of the best players in the world, he he changed queues. He changed queue companies. The same weight, the same, like, taper, the same tip millimeter, and he said his shot was about 10% off. He goes 6 to 10% off. I was like, what?
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02:16:39
Yeah. Like, how? He’s like, you just it’s off. It it takes a while to recalibrate.
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02:16:45
Yeah. This is one of those examples where, like, you know, in MMA too, like, if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even, like, it’s not necessarily beneficial. Your mobility could be inhibited flexibility, gas out quicker. Even in b BJJ, it’s like and you can sauce to the tits, but, like, it might not be helpful to the capacity. You can actually push it.
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02:17:05
Right.
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02:17:05
You know, you might gas out quicker. All of a sudden, you can’t do things that you used to do.
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02:17:09
I think the key is moderation in lifting in regard to, unless you’re on the sauce. You know, if you’re doing anything like, MMA or any skill based thing because as soon as you’re tight and sore, you’re not gonna learn well. You’re you’re you’re you’re not gonna have a snap to your punches. You’ll be pushing punches. You know, there’s a there’s a fluidity.
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02:17:31
Like, some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there’s a fluidity to the like, if you’re landing a kick, for example, like a hard kick, like a spinning back kick, like, what Jon Jones knocked out Stipe Miocic with. There’s a there’s a dance going on with your nervous system, with all your muscles moving in coordination. If you think of how complex that movement is. Right?
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02:17:54
He’s standing like this sideways and he’s looking for the and at the right moment, he pivots on the ball of his foot, turns his heel towards the person, rotates his entire body this way, and shoves his leg forward, pushing off his back leg with all of his weight, and there’s a timing.
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02:18:14
You don’t wanna hit him here, and you don’t wanna hit him at the end of it. You wanna hit him right in the sweet spot. So you gotta know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his rib cage in order for you to get maximum force, and it’s all happening in a fraction of a second.
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02:18:32
It’s just, bump. Yeah. And when it lands, it’s like getting hit by a fucking car. And if you tie it but it’s a dance. And if you do here.
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02:18:40
He see him do this. Look at this. Fucking dance, man. Watch this. Look at that term. Boom. I mean, it’s perfection.
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02:18:47
I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this, it would be yeah. You for sure, given this is, like, your signature. Right?
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02:18:56
Oh, that’s my specialty kick. Yeah. That’s, yeah. It’s what Not
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02:19:00
that everyone is impressed by it, but, like, I knew you would see it as, like I
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02:19:03
was so hyped up for it because I I always wondered why more people don’t throw it. And that’s also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje at the end of the first round. He fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face, which is a crazy kick to
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take him
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up. Too.
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02:19:18
Sick fight. But that it’s but, you know, Stipe is one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the earth. For him to go down like that look at the force. Look at the force. Boom. I mean, your whole his rib went in. Like, look how deep it goes in. Yeah. On impact, look how fucking deep his heel isn’t look at that. That’s insane.
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02:19:39
That’s like the body equivalent of that Tony Ferguson picture.
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02:19:42
Right. Right. The one that he gets Yeah. In front
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of him
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02:19:45
kicked in the face. Yeah. On that mean, that is incredible amount of penetration. Look at that.
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02:19:50
Oh.
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02:19:50
I mean, all of his organs just went into shock right there. And if he was on the other side, it would be even more devastating because that’s not even the side where the liver is.
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Yeah.
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02:20:00
That’s just general organ trauma. Mhmm. You know? And he just can’t take it. He just goes down, and then that’s rap.
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02:20:08
So what happens when Aspinall fights Jon Jones?
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02:20:12
I gotta hope they fight. I wanna know. It’s gotta happen. Right? Here’s a question with Aspinall. What happens with Aspinall in the 2nd round? Like Oh,
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02:20:20
I guess
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he does. Wanna talk about a guy who sprints.
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02:20:22
Yeah. You wanna talk about
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02:20:23
a guy who’s fast twitch? Aspinall is one of the fastest heavyweights. He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport. I don’t think anybody moves like that guy does. At a at a 250 plus pound frame, his movement’s fucking extraordinary.
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02:20:39
Mhmm.
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02:20:39
And that’s something you have to deal with. Like, that is a crazy ability. His ability to move, like, the way he moves is so much different than everybody else in the sport. Like, Google let’s let’s come up with a good Aspinall fight. About the the Curtis blades fight was pretty quick. But how about the last one with, the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title? That’s a good one.
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02:21:03
That’s a 2 minute. I got Volkow was 3 minutes.
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02:21:06
Yeah. All of his fights. Like, altogether, he’s fought, like, 10 minutes. Everybody gets blown out quick. Yeah. But let’s let’s watch one of them. Like, the the the only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick, which is crazy. What? He didn’t even get hit. He threw a a round kick, and his ACL exploded. Mhmm. So let’s see, Marcin Tabura. That’s a good one. He’s so fucking fast, dude.
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02:21:32
The Andrei Illowsky fight, you could see that that’s pretty fast too. Put the Tiburon. It’s the left left hand side. Go above that above that to the left.
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02:21:41
It’s
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02:21:41
Right there. Click on that.
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02:21:42
No. But it’s gonna be a
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02:21:43
small one. I can’t control this. That’s fine. That’s fine. I just wanna show his movement. Look how fast he moves in. I mean, that guy is so fucking fast.
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02:21:52
Yeah.
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02:21:52
He moves like a 175 pounder. He doesn’t move like a 250 pound guy. Look how quickly he closes the distance, man. His hand speed and full range of skills. Incredible stand up, knocks guys out with 1 punch, black belt in jujitsu, really good wrestler. He’s everything, and he’s young.
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02:22:12
So what’s your prediction if it happens?
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02:22:15
It’s you it’s hard to bet against John. It’s hard to bet against John, but John’s not a real heavyweight. John could make light heavyweight 100%. He weights 2:30 right now, maybe a little less than 2:30.
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02:22:26
Mhmm.
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02:22:26
There’s no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went he hasn’t put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach.
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02:22:35
No. It’s a fluffy weight.
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02:22:37
Yeah. A
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02:22:37
lot of it too. Yeah.
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02:22:38
I mean, look. He had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winklejohn. Always. Mhmm. Everybody said, like, when Brendan went down and trained with him, Brendan was a heavyweight. Brendan Schaub, he’s like, he fucked me up. He goes, dude, I was like top 10 in the world as a heavyweight. I thought I was the shit. He fucked me up. He goes, he beat my ass.
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02:22:56
And he goes, he beat everybody else’s ass too. All the other heavyweights ragdolled dudes way bigger than him. He’s just a freak.
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02:23:04
His wingspan is, like, how much longer than his height, though, too.
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02:23:08
It’s, like yeah.
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02:23:09
It’s insane.
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02:23:10
Crazy reach and also just skillful. Yeah. His skills are so rock solid in every way, shape, or form. His stand up, his submissions, he’s crazy strong. He’s got just an insane mind for fighting. And
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02:23:24
would he blow out Pereira, you think, where it’s not even a worthwhile
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02:23:29
The problem is the ground. John’s so much better on the ground, like, worlds better.
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02:23:34
Mhmm.
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02:23:34
You know? And it takes so long to get really good on the ground. And we’ve seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near John’s level. Nowhere near. John dominates everybody. He took down Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier is an Olympic wrestler. I mean, he’s a fucking phenomenal wrestler. And John took him down and took him down multiple times. He’s a different dude, man. Yeah.
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02:23:57
This is what we’re talking about, like, with genetics. Right? There’s some guys, they’re just blessed. And then with John, it’s blessed in his mind. It’s not just it’s his personality. His, like, ruthless competitiveness. Because, like, he’s not going to fucking lose.
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02:24:13
He’s going to find a way to get you, and he’s gonna do it clever. He’s not trying to take a bunch of punishment and stand in banks. He’s not gonna point the center of the octagon. Let’s go right here. We’ll stand right here. Never gonna happen with Jon Jones. You’re not getting none of that, son.
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02:24:27
You’re getting knees to the gut. You’re getting your knees kicked. You’re getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking head’s bleeding. He’s gonna slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you, beat you to death on the ground. But can he do that with a guy like Aspinall who’s a legit 255 pound natural who moves like he’s £80 lighter? He’s a freak man.
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02:24:53
Yeah.
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02:24:53
Aspinall is a freak. Like, I’ve seen a lot of heavyweight. Even Francis who’s like the greatest, scariest power striker I’ve ever seen in the heavyweight division. No one’s scarier than Francis. Francis does not move like Tom Aspinall. Tom Aspinall is significantly faster than every other heavyweight. That’s a real problem. That’s a real problem.
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02:25:13
But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafsson, guys who are really fast at light heavyweight. So the speed is not gonna be as much of an adjustment. Like, John’s used to really fast people. He fought Leota Machida when Machida was in his prime.
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02:25:29
Right. Right.
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02:25:29
Yeah. Machida was a lightning bolt, man. And he caught John a bunch of times, But then there’s the thing of getting caught by Leota Machita is not like getting caught by 255 pound Tom Aspinall.
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02:25:41
That’s pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for, like, 2 eras, essentially. There’s
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02:25:46
no one like him.
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02:25:46
Yeah. Like, when I was, like, a fucking teenager watching UFC, it was, like, Leota versus him. You have, like, Mauricio Chogafua fights. And yeah. He’s
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02:25:56
14 years at the top. Yeah. 14 years. And they’re debating whether or not he’s the pound for pound best fighter alive right now. Islam Makhachev currently holds that standing, and I think that is voted amongst experts. I think that’s what it you know, air quotes, experts. Some of these guys don’t know jack shit. There’s guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life, and that’s a fact.
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02:26:19
But the meme’s pretty funny, though, where it’s like every time Dana says John Jones is the best, and they’ll put it in front of, like, it’ll be like, I don’t know, some obscene scenario. It’ll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something, and then Dana White comes in and he’s like, put John Jones as the best fucking fighter of all time.
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02:26:38
I I wanna make sure that what I said was accurate. Like, who does get to decide what the pound for pound list is? I believe it’s MMA journalists and experts. Now there’s MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don’t wanna say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life.
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02:26:54
And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they’re very knowledgeable, and they’re very good at reciting stats and understanding things. But how much do you really know? Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members. See, that’s a problem. Media members were asked to vote on who they feel the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound.
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02:27:15
A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC. Now this is not to disparage any of these media people. Like I said, I love them. I I’m friends with a lot of them. They’re great guys.
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02:27:26
They there’s no way you absolutely understand someone’s ability, especially when you’re talking about pound for pound, unless you’ve done martial arts. I just don’t think. I can see like, when John threw that kick, I see that kick, and I go, that was beautiful. That was beautiful.
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02:27:44
Because I know how it kicks I know what’s supposed to happen. You’re just guessing. You’re guessing on what’s you never done that on somebody. If you’ve never done that, you don’t know how beautiful that is. You don’t really get it.
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02:27:56
You kinda get it, but you get it the way I get flying a plane. I never fly a plane. I I kinda see they pull the lever. That guy did a great job flying that plane. Look how he landed. Perfect. I don’t know what’s really going on. You know?
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02:28:07
But when it comes to martial arts, I know what’s really going on. You know? And when you look at a guy like Jon Jones, I don’t think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument. I the way I like to look at it, I say, who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime?
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02:28:28
Like, what I don’t mean the entire career. I don’t mean I mean, when they were hot, like, when Anderson Silva was hot, how good was that? Was that better than anything that ever existed? Because I think it might have been. And though that’s what I look at when I look at, like, pound for pound best. So the argument is Jon Jones has had some really close fights.
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02:28:52
He’s had, like, split decision fights that he won. He had the a lot of people thought that, you know, some of his fights could like, the Dominic Reyes
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02:29:00
fight Dude, that was close.
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02:29:02
Could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes
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02:29:04
Yeah.
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02:29:04
Easily. And I would not have been mad at that. Yeah. And, you know, I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight. Mhmm. But there’s those 10, 9 rounds who are like, I don’t know. You could say 109 John or 109 Dominic, and either way, you’ve lost the title or you’ve won the title back. You know? Like, it’s it’s real weird.
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02:29:22
Makhachev is so fucking good. He’s so fucking good that he head kicked Alexander Volkanovski in the rematch. He submits everybody. Submitted Dustin Poirier. He’s a fucking monster.
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02:29:35
When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them, and you could argue that he is dealing with, a deeper talent pool. So his weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent rich weight pool in the sport, a £155. £155 is filled with assassins.
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02:29:52
Mhmm.
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02:29:53
£205 is not. 265 is definitely not.
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02:29:58
Mhmm.
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02:29:58
It’s the giant difference. So when you talk about the
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02:30:01
while since those divisions were, like, really heated with depth. Like, back Which ones?
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02:30:07
2 0 5?
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02:30:07
Light heavy, especially. They used to be, like, the fucking division to watch.
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02:30:12
Imagine though if Pereira was coming up when Jon Jones was the champion. That would be exciting.
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02:30:17
Yeah.
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02:30:17
That would be exciting. Pereira is a different cat man. He said, did you hear what Mark, Goddard said to me in the fight, after, he fought, Khalil Rountree? Mark Goddard came up to me. He goes, mate, the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly. He goes, I’ve been doing this for 20 years.
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02:30:35
He goes, the sound he makes is just different. It’s ungodly. He just kept saying that he he wanted to make a point to say this to me. Yeah.
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02:30:42
He came
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02:30:43
up to me, like, immediately when I got into the octagon. He’s like, the sound is ungodly. His power is so different. It’s so do you know, like, Francis hit that punch pad and he got, like, a 120 7 or whatever. Pereira got 190. Oh, yeah. That one. 190.
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02:31:01
Yeah. That’s
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02:31:01
crazy. Crazy that is? With a kick, the highest I got was, like, 157. Some guy got, like, 190 with a kick. We’re pretty impressed. I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick, some Muay Thai guy. Pereira did 190 with a punch. With a punch. Yeah. And it was after training.
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02:31:21
He just wallops this fucking thing.
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02:31:23
And they come out of nowhere. Like, there’s not really
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02:31:25
a There’s no call. Yeah. Yeah. There’s no tell, and he doesn’t have to hit you full power. Because he has so much power, like, those leg kicks that he fucks everybody with, there’s no turn of the hips at all. He’s just slapping you with and all of a sudden, you can’t walk well. And then he’s, like, marching you down, and it just takes one shot.
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02:31:42
His power is so crazy, different than anybody else’s.
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02:31:46
Yeah.
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02:31:46
Because everybody gets hit on the chin.
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02:31:48
But
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when you get hit on the chin by that guy, it’s like you can’t get hit. You get hit. It’s like everything is just like you’re like, what the fuck? You can see in their face.
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02:31:57
Yeah. I remember the first time I was here, we were talking about how this guy, Pereira, is the only one who’s ever beat out of San Diego, and he seems like this fucking assassin. We were like, oh, that’s, you know, interesting timeline. Didn’t know it would transpire into, like, this degree of success where not only does he beat him, but then he, like, switches divisions, fucking smokes that division too.
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02:32:17
It’s crazy. Yeah. Dominated 2 divisions. And the only reason why he didn’t stay at light heavyweight or middleweight rather, he’s literally killing himself to get to 185. Yeah. And I think that likely contributed to the KO too. Look, Adesanya landed a perfect right hand.
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02:32:31
Mhmm.
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02:32:31
That right hand is gonna fuck him up every day of the week no matter what you weigh. It’s just perfect. And the timing the way he did it, like, leaning up against the cage and just look for the opening and just caught him coming in. Bang. Dropped him, hit him with the left hook, put the arrows into him when he’s down. That KO was perfect.
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02:32:49
But you gotta wonder, like, how much of his inability like, he went completely unconscious. How much of that is because of the drain, the dehydration? Because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue. Yeah. So, like, they Oh,
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02:33:03
some impact for sure.
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02:33:04
Yeah. Yeah. Fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch. They talk about it, like, openly. Like, I I took punches better when I went up to 55. Like, a good example is Oliveira. Oliveira was, like, notorious for kinda, like, folding at 45. He goes up to 55, and he becomes unstoppable. Yeah.
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02:33:22
No. It’s, I’m I’m surprised he ever sucked down to that to begin with. It’s pretty funny.
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02:33:27
He’s so big that he was getting making 185 and then fighting at 226.
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02:33:32
That’s even more aggressive than the Costa cuts, I think.
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02:33:36
Yes. Yeah.
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02:33:37
Yeah. It’s he’s I think he’s got the most he had the most aggressive weight cut. Now it’s pretty marginal. Now I think he gets into the low 2 twenties, like, 222, and then, you know, he cuts 15. Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle.
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02:33:52
Dude, Costa needs to go back to brawling. Yeah. He used to be so exciting, and now it’s just kinda like has different strategies each time, and then I don’t know. It just doesn’t seem to be working out.
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02:34:03
It’s hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned. Yeah. Because that’s the thing. Like
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02:34:08
Oh, you think he’s, like, psychologically just
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02:34:10
I don’t think he’s the same guy. Like, that’s the guy who walked down Yoel Romero.
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02:34:13
Yeah.
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02:34:13
And we’re like, oh my god. Yoel Romero met a bigger freak than him. Because regardless
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02:34:17
of whether or not you think Costa’s juicy,
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02:34:17
that guy’s got juicy, that guy’s got extraordinary genetics, you know. I mean Yeah. That’s why he’s such a beautiful man. Perfect features, like, incredible frame. His frame’s incredible. And whether or not he’s juicy, the the reality is the guy has insane genetics, and he was a fucking warrior, especially in that Yoel Romero fight.
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02:34:38
Yoel’s terrifying to everybody, and Costa just walked him down and beat his ass. And that was not a close fight. It was primarily a stand up fight, Yeah. Which were Yoel’s the most scary, and Costa was in no danger. He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero, but then he fought a guy who was just way more slick.
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02:34:55
And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn’t respond. He just he was making he was what he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren’t as skillful as Adesanya. But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting. He was, like, exploiting him with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs and just he had him all fucked up by the end of the first round.
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02:35:20
He was realizing, I can’t touch this guy, and he keeps hitting me. And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he blocked the kick and just move away from it as he’s getting hit and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance. And it was just he was too good. That’s Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain.
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02:35:39
And at that moment, he felt he fought the best Israel Adesanya that’s ever been. And that’s like we were talking about, like, how good does a guy compete in that one step this gap of a couple of years or 3 years where he’s just it is prime. I think that was what it was. That was Izzy in his prime, which is one of the greatest fighters of all time against Paulo Costa who just didn’t have the answers to that.
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02:36:03
And once you’ve been bested like that and a guy dry humps you when you’re down, he beats your ass, TKOs you and then humps you. You just like, I thought I was the man. Yeah. So then he has all these doubts and then he goes into these the next fights. He he missed weight for 1 fight and fought at 205. Remember when he fought, who the fuck did he fight? Goddamn it. I can’t Marvin Vettore.
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02:36:29
He fought Marvin Vettore, and they were supposed to fight in 185, and they fought at, like, 205, and he still looked like he was out of shape. Yeah. He looked like he’s mentally all fucked up from that fight.
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02:36:37
Yeah. I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you, like, go from top rank to I think he’s lost, like, 3 in a row.
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02:36:47
It’s crazy. Yeah. I’d like to see him get back in the form, but I don’t know if he can anymore. You know, I don’t know if you’re psychologically the same guy.
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02:36:55
Did you watch CGI?
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02:36:59
What is that?
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The Craig Jones invitation.
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02:37:01
Oh, yeah. I was thinking, what does the CGI stand for?
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02:37:05
For CGI? Yeah. I
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02:37:05
watched it. Yeah. I watched it.
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02:37:07
Yeah. What’d you think?
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02:37:08
Well, I think it’s great that these guys are getting a lot of money. I think that’s awesome. Yeah. I think it’s kinda crazy they decided to compete against Abu Dhabi in the same weekend. I thought that was kinda nuts. But I guess if if you wanna be controversial, and Craig is certainly controversial, and you wanna get a lot of attention, it got a lot of attention. Yeah.
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02:37:26
And then, of course, the money. I mean, he came into the studio with $3,000,000 in cash. Was it 3? Yeah. Wasn’t it?
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02:37:31
1.
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02:37:31
It was 1,000,000?
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02:37:32
Oh, it
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02:37:32
was 1,000,000. Okay.
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02:37:33
But even that So they
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02:37:34
gave out but they gave out $3,000,000,000. Right? So 3 three different divisions got a $1,000,000 in a duffel bag, which I’ve I’ve never seen
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02:37:42
that before. I’ve never seen a million.
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02:37:43
It’s crazy to look at.
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02:37:44
No. Yeah. It’s not easy to get.
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02:37:47
You know, it’s fun. Craig’s fun. He’s a funny guy. He’s fucking hilarious. He’s the most hilarious guy in jiu jitsu. Yeah. He’s, like, really silly. He’s very self deprecating, and he’s super skillful. I mean, his jujitsu is, like, 2nd best in the world. Like, he always talks about it. Let’s wait.
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02:38:03
He named his team the b team.
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02:38:04
Yeah.
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02:38:05
He’s not gonna beat Gordon. You know, Gordon is a freak, and Gordon is, like, a real psychopath. Like, Gordon trains every day of the week.
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02:38:13
Gordon versus Nicky Rod. Who wins? Gordon. No question?
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02:38:17
Yeah. Gordon’s better. He’s just better. Nicky Rod might get to Gordon’s level one day. Mhmm.
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02:38:21
I
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mean, but if they’re not training together, I don’t know if he will. You know? I don’t know if he’s training with look. He’s beat him every time they faced him. Yeah. And Nicky did catch him in a footlock, but Gordon’s like, good. Break my foot. I’m still gonna win. Yeah.
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02:38:35
And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi. Mhmm. And when they had their second match, you know, Gordon was alleging he was greasy. Like, he was difficult to get a hold of, and that’s been something that people have said about Nicki before. But it might be it’s oily food. I don’t know.
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02:38:51
Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know what’s going on, but I know guys did that. I know guys would take baths. This was in the early days, like the pride days. They would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil.
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02:39:02
So they would lay in this bathtub with water and, like, fucking gallons of, like, p ditty style P. Diddy style fucking well, like, just supplies of baby oil in that water, and they bathe in it. Then they would wash themselves off, dry themselves off. And then to the touch, their skin would not feel like oil at all until they start sweating. And then when they start sweating, they’d be like a fish.
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02:39:28
Just you just couldn’t grab them.
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02:39:29
Oh my god.
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02:39:30
Yeah. That was the thing that it was, alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought, and guys just could not get a hold of them. They would just be so slippery. You you couldn’t take them down. If you take them down, you couldn’t hold them down. Usually, they just slip right out of your hands like a bar of soap.
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02:39:45
Then how would you avoid do they screen for that somehow in the UFC? Or, like, how does that work? The
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02:39:51
problem is what I’m saying that you could oil your skin up and then wash it, and it would still be in your pores.
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02:39:57
And
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02:39:57
you wouldn’t even be able to detect. As long as you were dry, they would rub you with, like, a cloth or something. Like, nope. There’s nothing on his skin. Like, what are they unless they have, like, baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out this person put baby oil on.
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02:40:14
So are you never allowed to put baby oil on, or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight? Like, when when are we you’re gonna say no baby oil ever for a person? What if they like baby oil? What if they like the you know, what if they like cocoa butter? What what do you it’s so it’s weird. Yeah. It’s weird.
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02:40:31
And so the the solution to that is everybody has to wear long sleeve rash guards and spats. That’s the solution, and that’s what they should do. So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings leggings and tights. Simple.
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02:40:47
Yeah. I remember that was, like, a bit of a controversy at least in early UFC. It was like
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02:40:51
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know guys greased. Yeah. I 100%. I can tell you 100% guys greased.
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02:40:57
Even, like, between rounds, the 2.
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02:41:00
I know one guy who didn’t just grease. He put Vick’s VapoRub all over his chest.
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02:41:06
Jesus.
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02:41:06
And then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest. So you’d be getting sweat and Vick’s VapoRub in your eyes, and he’d be kneeing you in the face.
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02:41:16
That’s fucking crazy.
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02:41:17
Crazy.
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02:41:18
Yeah.
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02:41:18
Oh, and they weren’t testing for things, dude did a lot of dirty shit. Yeah. I heard another story. I can’t substantiate. I will say no names. But a guy allegedly gave blood to make weight. So he not didn’t give blood, but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room so that he can make weight, and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably, you know, resupplied itself with a significant amount of it depending on how much time it is between the fact they withdraw the blood.
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02:41:49
I don’t know how long how much time but you could think about, like, how much weight blood is. Yeah. And if you can get, like, you know, how much can you take while you’re still conscious? I don’t know. But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and re proliferate with blood, and then go back into the room, and now you’re blood doping with your own blood.
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02:42:11
Yeah. Totally undetectable, and you made weight with blood cutting.
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02:42:15
Yeah. And that’s, like, another microdose vector that people use still to this day. Blood It’s all against blood transfusions.
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02:42:22
Well, that’s I mean, there’s probably multiple factors where you’re not allowed to get IVs, and that might be one of them. You know? Yeah.
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02:42:28
But it’s like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess, or they assess for, like, plastics in your in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.
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02:42:39
Right. Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to, like, a bag?
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02:42:50
Some people are, like, freezing as opposed to just, like, storing it in liquid format and then whatever you’re storing it in. It can all make a difference in terms of, like Freezing it.
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02:42:59
Yeah. Like You can freeze your blood and then put it back in?
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02:43:02
Yeah. Woah. Yeah. Like, FOD obviously.
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02:43:05
But how weird is that?
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02:43:06
Super weird.
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02:43:07
How long is your blood good for?
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02:43:09
That’s a good question, but I would imagine longer if you’re freezing it.
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02:43:14
Jesus Christ. The things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage.
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02:43:18
Yeah. But it works, man. I guess, Yeah.
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02:43:21
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:43:21
And it’s, like, at least of the doping methods, like, one of the least easy to detect because there’s no, like, substance that is stimulating anything. It’s just your own blood that was supposed to be there. Right.
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02:43:33
So the only way they’d be able to detect is to detect whether or not you’ve had an IV.
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02:43:38
Yeah. Well, it would be like they’d look at your biological passport data and see unusual elevation of hemoglobin, hematocrit probably around an event, and you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are, like, immature red blood cells. Because if your body has similar to the testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing
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02:44:00
Right.
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02:44:00
Naturally. So if you put in exogenous blood, you’re going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply. Right. So you would have a disproportionate ratio between, like, blood cells, oxygen carrying capacity markers, and immature blood cells.
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02:44:17
And it’s like, why is this differential so significant all of a sudden? Right. And it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny. And, yeah, with blood transfusions because there’s no way to really prove anything, oftentimes, penalizations occur based on, like, it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it.
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02:44:38
Like, how would they detect that?
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02:44:40
Like, I think it’s just such an aberrant finding that’s different from everything you’ve ever showed in your data that you must have cheated.
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02:44:47
Oh, right. For so the biological passport.
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02:44:50
Yeah. Because it’s like with other compounds like testosterone, you need to have, like, con confirmation via isotope ratio, mass spec, or whatever. But with blood, it’s like, what did you do? Like, there’s no compound to prove was or wasn’t there. It’s just like the blood.
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02:45:05
But it is illegal. Right? So you’d have to have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut.
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02:45:10
Or a significant other who is a nurse or a myriad of different things.
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02:45:15
Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Right.
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02:45:17
And some of this stuff isn’t, like, hard to really learn either. Like, it’s actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take like, some people do, phlebotomy as, like, a low barrier to entry, high paying job. So, like, being somebody who takes blood is, like, there’s not much of a requirement from, like, credentials to be able to do it, and it pays well per hour.
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02:45:42
Mhmm.
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02:45:42
Yeah. And if you had a family member who’s a phlebotomist, and they could hook that up.
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02:45:46
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:45:48
What are the other different ways that they can get it? Like, how rock solid is, like, the let’s forget about drug sport, what they what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, how what are the best ways to get around that?
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02:46:03
Well, because they weren’t actually testing almost at all for EPO and GH. How much
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02:46:09
like, what percentage were they testing for it?
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02:46:12
You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was, like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO tested if somebody, like, reported you as, like you know, there’s a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater.
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02:46:25
And is this a finance thing?
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02:46:27
Is this a I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and because it some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as, like, you know, just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine. You have to actually, like, manually do work to, like, combust down and assess the ratio, and there’s, like, nuance in interpreting this stuff too.
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02:46:47
Because it’s a lot of times, you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of it if it looks weird.
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02:46:54
Right.
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02:46:55
So you have to, like, bring in multiple opinions too, maybe, of experts who then kinda come to a consolidated answer on did you cheat or not?
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02:47:03
Wow. Wow.
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02:47:03
And it gets pretty complicated. So doing this at scale on a sport that has no off season with people globally competing, like, pretty fucking costly for sure to do properly.
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02:47:16
Well, the MMA conspiracy theorists, they always point to, like, people doing their camps in, like, faraway lands.
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02:47:22
Like, what a good way to cheat.
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02:47:23
Yeah. You know, because if you wanna do a camp in Dagestan like, how many times is Usada going to Dagestan? Yeah. And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes? Yeah. Imagine telling those guys wake up at 6 o’clock in the morning. Yeah. They’ll feed you their goats. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about?
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02:47:42
Fuck you. Come back tomorrow. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. No. It’s,
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02:47:46
Also, they probably know when you’re there. Yeah. They probably got that town wired.
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02:47:50
There’s absolutely logistical problems that lead to lower barriers for certain people.
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02:47:56
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, do you camp in Thailand, son?
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02:48:00
Yeah. For sure.
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02:48:02
You gotta wonder. Like, I would like to see, like, what are what’s the data on people that do their camp in Thailand? How often are they tested versus the guy who’s got a camp in Iowa?
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02:48:11
And even, like, the rigor of the person who’s hired to do the testing because it’s like how, you know, scrutinous is whoever you’re outsourcing, you’re hiring in that area to. Like, you know, they could be, like, a local who is, you know, like, pledged allegiance to that fucking Right. You know, whatever. So I don’t know, man.
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02:48:33
It’s it’s tough for sure because it there’s no way to, like, truly bulletproof it, I think, but at least the UFC developments as of recent, they’ve confirmed they’re doing, like, isotope ratio mass spec and actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect.
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02:48:53
Stuff is still gonna squeeze through for sure, but it’s gonna be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be fucking snitches for them.
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02:49:06
It used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of, like, big camps that would hire scientists and that, you know, they would figure out ways around.
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02:49:18
Dude, that is a a growing profession.
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02:49:21
Is it? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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02:49:22
There’s, like, so many pharmacology nerds who are like like, I’ve even been asked to help people in the Olympics before.
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02:49:29
Really? Yeah. Wow. Because you’re a pharmacological nerd. Yeah. Exactly. And so these these people ask you to cheat for them.
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02:49:38
To help them cheat. Yeah. Which is also a criminal offense, my understanding, due to there’s actually a law now. It’s like the Rodchenkov Act or something.
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02:49:46
Oh, wow.
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02:49:46
So if you, like, help somebody, you’re also doing a crime. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh. So, you know, obviously not worth doing for me, so I never did it.
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02:49:59
But Well, especially something like the Olympics. Like, there’s
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02:50:01
no there’s
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02:50:01
no money in it. You’re not making any money.
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02:50:03
That’s Which is crazy. Yeah. Crazy. It’s like pure pride and for winning a medal.
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02:50:09
It’s pure exploitation. That’s what it is. Because it’s not like there’s no money. Like, why are you making all the money? Well, these people are noble. They don’t wanna get paid. Oh, yeah. Like, no. You’re just not paying them. They don’t even know how much money there was. Because in 1936, there was no money.
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02:50:21
Right? There was no sponsors. There’s no nothing.
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02:50:23
Yeah. I remember There was no TV. Yeah. That’s true.
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02:50:26
Okay. The bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method, a violator is subject to criminal penalties, a fine, prison term of up to 10 years, or both, and a mandatory restitution.
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02:50:43
Yeah. Interesting. So
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02:50:46
Yeah. There’s definitely And when you hear about stuff like this too, it’s like there’s always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor. What are people doing that I’m not? And curiosity strikes.
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02:50:58
What do you think is the answer? What’s like like the non ideological when you look at it objectively? So you know what? What we should be doing is doing everything that works. Or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be a 100% natural, no if, ands, or buts, and there’s no cheating.
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02:51:17
That’s really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it’s like, oh, we’re gonna have, you know, medical assessments that ensure safety and blah blah blah. But it’s like if you’re going full board, it’s impossible to be healthy. And safe. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:51:34
So, like, as much as you could argue, it’s probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating. The alternative is not necessarily, like, far superior in terms of health because if I’m allowed to use a gram of test, you know, like, I’m not gonna stop at 200 mgs.
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02:51:53
You know?
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02:51:54
Like,
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02:51:54
I’m gonna go full full fucking toss to the tip. So
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02:51:57
Yeah. If you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roided out of your mind Yeah.
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02:52:04
Become like a fucking dopaminergic psycho and just, like, you know, you will absolutely take that risk regardless of what it does to you.
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02:52:11
Yeah. Especially if you’re trying to win. Right? If people are willing to cheat when it’s really dangerous, you could lose the medal, you can get outed and just publicly shamed like Ben Johnson. Or you don’t have to worry about that because they’re allowing you to, but they would like you to take, like, a sustainable dough.
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02:52:27
And you’re like, fuck you with your sustainable I’m trying to be number 1, bitch.
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02:52:31
Yeah. Give me it all.
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02:52:32
I I love the idea of the enhanced games, by the way, but it’s like at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails. And then, alternatively, if there are guardrails, now it’s set up for corruption at the medical provider level who’s assessing what you’re healthy enough to do.
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02:52:50
And, like, you know, are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after injections where things look like they’re half out of your system versus before? Like, it’s almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced.
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02:53:03
Right. Right.
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02:53:03
Right. So and I’m sure they’re very well spoken, eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff, and I’m sure have answers to that or, you know, have some idea of what they’re gonna do. But, like, those would be my questions as to and I’m not saying it needs to be safe. Right. You know?
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02:53:21
It it might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical warfare games. Right. Yeah. Which there’s nothing wrong with that if you’re gonna expose yourself to that risk. People do that in bodybuilding all the time. That’s, like, literally what bodybuilding is.
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02:53:33
Yeah. Yeah. That’s what’s crazy. Right? Bodybuilding’s huge sport is not possible without illegal drugs.
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02:53:39
And there’s no Rod Jengovec for bodybuilding either. So there’s, like, literal the the guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding.
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02:53:47
Well, how do they get away with it since it’s completely illegal? Well, I I mean, like, obviously, you’re going to jail. If I’m if I’m a if I’m a guy who’s arresting people who are on steroids, I go to the mister Olympia. I’m like, you’re all in jail. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:54:00
See, you’d think if you wanted to just, like, hit your quota for the year, you just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like,
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02:54:05
all of you Everybody gets a
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02:54:07
fucking car.
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02:54:08
Getting the paddy wagon.
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02:54:09
Yeah. Yeah. I I don’t know, man. That’s Where’d you get it? When it comes to possession in the states and, like, how scrutinous they are on anabolics, I think it’s mostly if you’re importing mass amounts, they will flag you because you’re likely a distributor at that point.
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02:54:24
Okay.
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02:54:24
So if it’s, like, personal amounts, typically, you would buy it domestically to not, like, red flag yourself because I think in in the mail, you can’t even have your mail get checked if it’s domestic. So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, no one would know that you were sent anything.
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02:54:43
It’s only if you’re buying, like, growth hormone from China or something.
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02:54:47
And you have to get flagged.
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02:54:48
And you have enough kits that happen to get flagged in customs, then they keep a note on your record of this guy might be doing something.
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02:54:55
So he might be a steroid dealer. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:54:57
And then they’ll have sting operations and try and figure out who’s actually distributing. Because they have resource allocation bandwidth problems too, so they have to go after the big fish. Right.
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02:55:07
So Do guys go to Mexico
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02:55:09
and bring them across the border?
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02:55:10
Not anymore.
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02:55:10
Oh, they used to?
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02:55:11
No. Oh, yeah. Back in the day. Yeah. People, like, smuggle it up their ass to get it here.
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Jesus Christ. Yeah. Imagine taking trend that was in a guy’s asshole.
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Yeah. Dan Bilzerian used to he talked about how when he was in BUDS, he would, like, go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico, and then they’d smuggle it up their asses back into the US. Christ. Yeah. Bottle broke. It’s fucking Yikes. Butthole glass cuts, buddy.
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I watched that in a video. It’s called 1 guy, 1 cup. Oh, yeah? You ever seen that one? No. That was back in the lively
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I saw the OG variant of that and never one cup? I can’t watch another one.
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One guy, 1 cup is way more horrifying. This guy just takes a mason jar up his asshole and
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it breaks. I think
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it’s a mason jar. Some kind of a jar up his asshole and it breaks and it’s just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squat. It’s horrible. But I watched it multiple times. God damn. There’s a lot of crazy people in this world.
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Yeah. Do you
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think that I I I’m of the opinion. Let me just say what I think. I think that most substances should be legal, and I think people should be able to figure out what’s good and what’s bad. There’s a lot of things that are legal. Like Adderall is legal. I don’t take Adderall. You know, I I’m 90 I’m 9% sure I have ADHD.
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I don’t even know what it is. I don’t even know if it’s real. I think it’s probably a superpower. But if I went to a a doctor and I was complaining about I can’t focus on any one thing, I’m I’m all over the place, they’d probably give me some. And that would have a legal stimulants. I don’t think it’s probably think it’s not good for you, so I don’t take it. But I could. Right?
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Why is that legal and cocaine is not? Like, why is this legal and that’s not? Why is whiskey legal and marijuana is not? This doesn’t make any sense to me. Why is Xanax legal, psilocybin is not? Like, what are we doing? Who needs to decide?
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Well, you could argue that, well, that’s the reason why clinical trials exist, which assess, you know, safety profiles of these drugs, and they wouldn’t make it through otherwise. But, like, obviously, we’ve seen it. That’s not once you get financial interest involved, it’s kinda hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that probably shouldn’t have and stuff that maybe should have made it through or didn’t make it through.
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So, yeah, like, I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it hopefully first. It’s tough though because it’s like if you have a guy who’s, like, I don’t know, manic, and he has access to, like, meth and, like, pharma grade meth at that or something Yeah.
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Which actually exists too.
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Oh, yeah.
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And you end up with, like, a Hitler or something. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the trend thing, is that the worst one psychologically?
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From anabolic steroids, I would say probably that and then maybe secondary. You know, some people could argue halotestin is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit Evander Holyfield’s ear off. Yeah. And it makes you, like, fucking short term acutely extremely angry.
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Well, how did you hear that he was using that?
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I don’t remember exactly. I think it was, like, he didn’t test positive for it. I think it was just, like, highly room like, a very prevalent rumor, but I’ve heard
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02:58:17
They probably didn’t test for it, though, either. Right?
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No. It was back then. It was really easy to get around, like, oral steroid detections back then as well if they were even testing for it.
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But yes.
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I don’t even know if they were testing back then.
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Yeah. The trend is, the worst offender for your psychological state not just because the drug is bad, but it also, like, ruins your sleep. So you get, like, trend cough I mentioned, but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces, like, a menopause like hot flash, sweating in your sleep, and you wake up just fucking drenched.
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Jesus.
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And it, like, really fucks up your sleep, and it makes you hyperparanoid as well, which is no good because even though you’re this jacked, sometimes confident guy, other times you’re like, you’re unreasonably insecure, and you’re like, a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend. Really? Yeah. And they end up becoming, you know, oddly behaving.
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Sexual deviancy is also a very, common
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I’ve heard of that.
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Yeah. Yeah. On trend. And it’s thought to be the progestogenic activity because it’s derived from nandrolone, which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well, and progesterone is thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had a heightened exposure to progesterone in utero.
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Oh. And highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause, like, really weird sexual deviancy as well. And, yeah, it’s, like, really fucking potent. Good at what it does. It builds lean mass, and it’s, like, a really dry compound. Doesn’t make you watery.
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Also, it has a unique anti catabolic effect, so you don’t in a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you’re cutting. And it’s yeah. So it’s not like steroids don’t all do that to some degree more or less, but this drug is, like, uniquely potent in its anticatabolic action to where you could be, like, extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.
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Wow. And because it’s so good at making you extremely strong too without an excess of body weight, it’s, like, highly sought after in many sports because you don’t have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you’re getting the strength increase that is, like, humongous.
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Wow. Yeah. So it was one of the drugs that was used in the, Duchess cocktail, which is what, Rodchenkov would have at his athletes swish around in their mouth.
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Oh, really? Yeah.
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It was absorbed, buccally.
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Well So
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it would, like, get it was almost like the equivalent of IV ing the drug right into your bloodstream. You would swish it around your mouth in this alcohol, and it would absorb buccally into the bloodstream immediately. So you wouldn’t have to actually have it go into your stomach and then get processed through a first pass metabolism so you could get in and out of your system way faster.
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Wow.
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Yeah. Wow.
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So why is that one good for fighters? I would think that, like, getting things that are emotional, though.
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Yeah. You could argue that the emotional instability is not good.
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Yeah. But paranoia makes
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you very aggressive. The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience. And some people it’s not everyone who becomes paranoid on it. It’s highly individual dependent. Some people you will often hear people say, oh, people overblow the side effects of trans. It’s not that bad.
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And then other people who will say it ruined their life. So it’s highly individual dependent like any drug, but it’s very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well.
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There’s another factor that comes with steroid users, and that’s the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids. Yeah. Because once they get off steroids and they don’t feel like Superman anymore, they get real weirded out.
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Yeah.
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And they wanna get back on again. I’ve seen that.
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Oh, yeah, dude. It’s, the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity too because it’s like a ultimately, steroid use often stems from, like, body image insecurity. So if you achieve, you know, the outcome you sought with this thing, to think that you’re gonna be, you know, a confident person after you’ve lost the 30, £40 a lean that you gained Right.
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Like, you were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with.
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Except Dorian Yates.
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Oh, yeah. But he
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guys, he’s a unique cat. Yeah. He’s He lost all the weight. He looks like a normal athlete now. Yeah. He’s healthy.
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Yeah. He he had me on his podcast, this year, and he said, anytime he’s done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they’re more upset about it than I am. He has a unique perspective on it, which is, really cool to see.
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He’s very intelligent. Yeah. Yeah. Very calm and, you know, just the way he approaches things. But goddamn, dude. When that guy was getting after it, he was he was one of the original freaks where Yeah. One of the first guys where you’re just like, what? Like, that’s what they’re pushing it to now?
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Yeah. He left humanity behind. He was so
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big, dude. He was so big. He was ridiculous. If you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier Oh, night. Night and day. Yeah.
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You could argue he was like the catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle you need to be competitive.
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I
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mean, he was so big, he blew his bicep out and competed and won with a torn bicep.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With, like, a
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hole in his arm.
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Yeah. That’s fucked up. When you get that big and you have to, like, worry about exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you’re so strong, and that’s what you need to lift to get the stimulus, like, that’s crazy stuff.
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Well, Ronnie Coleman’s the crazy example of the price you pay for that. Like, that guy’s all fucked up now.
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Yeah. Yeah. It makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained higher volume and, like, used higher reps, less weight. Yeah. Because literature now suggests that you don’t need to necessarily train like that.
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Look at the difference between
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the 2 of them. Yeah. It’s crazy.
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Arnold on the left and Dorian on the right. Dorian’s twice the size.
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Yeah. His
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fucking back, dude. That’s crazy. That back isn’t not that Arnold isn’t insane. He was fucked pretty insane. I actually think Arnold looks better. Yeah. He’s more aesthetic
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for sure.
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Oh, look at his back. Look at Dorian Yates back. Look at Ronnie Coleman’s back.
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Yeah. Jeez. These guys were huge. Ronnie Coleman was crazy, but Dorian was, like, weirdly thick. Like, look how thick his fucking muscles are, man. It’s just not first of all, judging guys that are that big, good luck. I don’t get it. They all look awesome. They all look crazy.
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Dude, it’s even harder judging a bikini show. So there’s different classes at the Olympia, including women’s bikini, and there’s, like, a few poses. They’ll pull pull up a comparison of the women’s Olympia for bikini.
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What is the bikini versus regular Olympia?
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Well, it’s just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category.
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What’s the bikini category versus the regular miss Miss Olympia category?
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Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding. Oh, this isn’t bodybuilding? Well, it’s like a form of bodybuilding, but it’s not the actual category
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itself. This is women who still look feminine.
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So, like Right? Put it this way. With men, there’s different categories. There’s open men’s bodybuilding, classic physique, and men’s physique. And each of them has, like, an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive. And in women, similar differences exist in categories where they have women’s bikini, wellness, something else.
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And then bodybuilding is the one where you can you pretty much need to be on, like, male level steroids to be competitive.
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And this is a reality of female bodybuilding that a lot of female bodybuilders look, I know female jiu jitsu competitors that take steroids, which is it’s crazy. There’s not even any money in that. You’re Yeah. You’re juicing yourself up. But if you wanna get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman, like, what do they take?
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Well, for bikini, you might be able to do it naturally. All but most of them are probably still taking a little bit something, but it’s not, like, masculinizing. There’s a lot of things they can take that are natural or over the counter or, like, super microdosed amounts of anabolics that don’t cause masculinization.
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But above that, the thresholds for categories above that are, like if you go to women’s bodybuilding, like, it looks like you remember it where it’s, you know, dudes with wigs on, basically, almost.
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Yeah. I mean, they’ve they’re trans men, basically.
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Basically. Yeah. Like like, based on their hormone profile, they are more male than you and I probably.
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Woah. God. Look at that lady. That’s crazy.
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Is she Miss Olympia? Yeah. I think so.
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She number 1? That’s women’s physique too. That’s not women’s bodybuilding. What? Yeah. So this is like a different category that’s less muscle than bodybuilding.
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So what’s women’s bodybuilding? That lady? Probably. Who’s Miss Olympia?
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Do they still have women’s bodybuilding? I think they do. Yeah. That might be it.
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Look at that lady down the lower left hand. Jesus, those ladies are huge. Oh, my goodness. That’s gotta be it. Those are dudes. That’s a dude’s body, like, size wise. Yeah. Not saying you’re a dude, ladies. Yeah. Don’t hurt me.
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Hey. By the way, it’s, you know, more power to anybody who wants to do whatever they want. It’s just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are masculinizing, and you can blame Biden for that. Wow. Yeah. Because he stopped the development of them. And by now, we probably have non masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude.
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Oh my god. Yeah. Have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada?
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Dude, I would love to I’ve considered it, but there’s weird stuff around, like, unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there. Really? Yeah. So, like, I could physically be present in the states and live here maybe for 6 months of a year. But to, like, get out of the system fully, you gotta, like, pay the piper on every company you’ve ever built even if you don’t have the money from it because you never sold it.
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There’s gains that were made in Canada of the the value of it that you have to pay on. It’s like, how do you pay for it? I don’t have any fucking cash because they didn’t sell the company.
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So they make it very difficult to leave the country.
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Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that changes with Pierre. I don’t know. But, like, one of the main problems with the economy is there’s no incentive for business owners that are doing well to stay. Like, everything is structured around, how do I get around this fucking system? Not how do I stay here?
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So, like, I know, personally, every friend I have, successful has either already left or has tried to find a way to leave. Jesus. Actually, I know one person who hasn’t, but he’s, like, really entrenched in the system and, like, it would be impossible to unwind at this point.
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So I don’t know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or like, it’s a beautiful place to live in British Columbia, for example, but, like Yeah. It’s fucking cost of living is obscene. And the tax
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I saw that there’s some kids were doing a TikTok with food at a Canadian supermarket, like a bunch
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of chicken wings and how much it was.
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Oh, the dollar too is horrible. It’s like a dollar every dollar in US currency equates to 1.40 Canadian. Woah. Yeah. So your dollar goes super far in Canada. And then Lordy Jesus. And then to buy, like, I don’t know, a shit a shitty shack fucking house that’s not even a house in Vancouver.
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It’s, like, 1,000,000 of dollars. Yeah. Nuts. Yeah. Yeah. I I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by, like, New York, maybe.
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Wow.
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Yeah. It’s, like, one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home. So, basically, back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and build equity in it. And, eventually, you’d have a you know, something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that, like, that’s your main nest egg or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Nowadays, it’s it’s not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on, like, a place that’s not even nice. So you have, like, families staying in, like, 500 square foot apartments with big families because they can’t afford anything
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else.
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It says impossibly unaffordable. Housing report ranks Vancouver 3rd most expensive in the world. Yeah. Hong Kong and Sydney are the only Sydney. That’s interesting.
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I would’ve never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive.
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That’s nuts. Yeah. Well, listen, brother. Anything else you wanna talk about before we bail out of here? I think it was a good one.
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Yeah. That was yeah. Lot of fun. Yeah. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate you
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as always. What’s that, Jamie?
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Miss, well, Miss Olympia Wellness, we missed out on.
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What’s that?
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A focus on the lower body.
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What? Oh, butts. Yeah.
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Top half doesn’t
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Oh, yeah. So I was gonna say Top
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half doesn’t matter? For real? Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Top half.
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Why are
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they standing freight face forward? The glutes
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and hips. Let’s see them glutes.
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It definitely matters matters, but not as much as Yeah.
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It’s not focus, I should say.
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Yeah. So Damn. Anyway, watching the posing, you were you you were saying it’s hard to judge men’s bodybuilding. With women, it’s at least with the bikini category, especially, their hair is really long, and they have extensions too to make it look even longer. So when they turn around, basically, the only thing you can judge is, like, ass down, essentially, because their whole back is covered by hair.
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Oh, that’s weird.
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Yeah. So it’s like a pageant for your butt.
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I’m all in. No.
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I could by the way, like, any bikini competitor is probably fucking furious with that statement.
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There’s absolutely no trend. They’re gonna get angry.
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Probably not. But, like, they’re judged on other things, but that’s the main factor, Got it. Okay.
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03:12:31
Alright, man. Well, been a lot of fun. More plate more plates, more dates, on YouTube. What is, your website?
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Yeah. More plates, more dates.com.
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Anything else? No. That’s it. Thanks for having me. Alright. My pleasure, brother. Hope you see you. Alright. Bye, everybody.
