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John McPhee, widely known as “The Sheriff of Baghdad” or “SHREK,” is a retired U.S. Army Special Operations Sergeant Major with over 20 years of distinguished service. He is the owner of SOB Tactical, a supplier of specialized training and tactical gear to civilians, military, and law enforcement.
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#2238 – John McPhee Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the conversation delves into a variety of complex and intriguing topics. A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the experiences and insights of a guest who has navigated a particularly complicated aspect of life, offering a unique perspective that many listeners may not have encountered before. This guest’s story is described as intense and captivating, with Joe Rogan and his co-host expressing admiration for the guest’s ability to thrive in such challenging circumstances.
One of the key actionable insights shared during the episode is the concept of striving to be “1% better” each day. This incremental improvement philosophy suggests that small, consistent efforts can lead to significant progress over time, culminating in a 365% improvement by the end of the year.
The episode also touches on the topic of performance enhancement in sports, featuring a discussion about Victor Conte, a scientist known for his work with BALCO Labs. Conte’s innovative approach to evading drug tests by altering steroid metabolites is highlighted, illustrating the lengths to which some athletes go to enhance their performance.
Overall, the episode emphasizes the importance of understanding diverse perspectives and experiences to gain a fuller picture of the world. It encourages listeners to remain open to learning about topics they might not initially find interesting, as these can often lead to valuable insights and personal growth. The recurring theme is one of curiosity and continuous self-improvement, both intellectually and personally.
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#2238 – John McPhee Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Yeah. Good
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to see you, brother. Yeah. How are you, man? Great. Great. It was nice to meet you at, f 1, and, I really loved your episode of Sean Ryan. I fucking love that dude.
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Thanks, man. Yeah. Sean is
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He’s the man.
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He’s awesome. I love Sean.
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I’m so glad there’s guys like him doing this. That there’s there’s more people like him that are, like, finding new ways to, like you know, media is is so wide open now. Yeah. And it’s not you don’t have to get hired by a television station anymore. You could just start your own shit, and Sean’s show is fucking great.
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Yeah. He’s great. Sean’s I love him as a person. Yeah.
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I love him too. He’s great. He’s an awesome dude. And I loved you on that show, but goddamn, man. That show was crazy. Like, your childhood was so nuts, dude. Yeah. Hearing about you living in a brothel when you were 12 years old.
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Yeah. My brother.
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Fuck, dude. Your whole story was so nuts, man. I was listening to it in the sauna this morning, and I was like, oh my god. So I’m there cooking at a 195 degrees, listen to you struggling. I was in there for half an hour, which I usually do 20 minutes when I kept going. I’m like, this this life was so fucked up. I feel like I shouldn’t bail right now. I should keep listening.
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I I feel like like but I’m not the only one.
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You know what I mean?
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No. I feel like where I was in the army is full of guys just like that.
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A 100%. Yeah. A 100%. Yeah. And I think in some well, fighters as well, you know, a lot of fighters I know like, Sean Strickland, a lot of guys I know had fucked up childhoods. I think it gives you an extra gear. I think when you can get through a childhood like that, you got an extra place that you can go to Yeah.
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That other dudes can’t go to. And in your line of work, that comes in very handy.
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Yeah. I well, I think it works like this. I never heard it as an extra gear, but here’s the way I always equated it. You know you’re gonna get a beating, and it’s coming at 5 o’clock. You know you know after dinner, you they’re gonna be hammered, and this is another argument and fight, and it’s a pattern. Right? And you know this as a kid.
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Right? And what happens is you gotta take that beating and then, like, put your church clothes on. We’re going to church. Ugh. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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And the truth is is, like, a mom, I think my my brother more than me, but, I think my mom actually had him convinced that we were super bad kids and, like, you know, we were I don’t know. A couple years ago, I was, like, you know, like, you ever met a actual bad, like, 4 or 6 or 8 year old?
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No. It’s how they
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were raised. Right.
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That’s all in how they were raised.
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And then it was kinda like Yeah. I think it was an eye opener for him, but, like, it was always our fault.
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Well, that’s the thing. You can convince kids of almost anything. You can convince them that it’s their fault. You you can convince them that they’re bad kids, and then they feel bad for the rest of their fucking life. They feel like a piece of shit. Yeah. There’s a lot of people out there that didn’t do anything wrong. They’re just raised by shitheads, and for their whole life, they feel like garbage. Yeah.
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And they don’t know why.
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Yeah. I I agree.
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It’s so hard to snap out of that too, and it it takes something for you to do that makes you feel valuable and worthwhile. Like, you you just you have to kinda, like, relearn who you are as a person. Yeah. And some people never do. Yeah. And then they, you know, find meth or heroin or something that takes the edge away. Yeah. And they can just exist.
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Yeah. Well, I’ll tell you that was the army for me. Like, the first time I ever felt like like I fit in or I was with people like me
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Right.
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Was when I was, you know, in Ranger Bhutan.
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Yeah. I I think fighting is the same way. A lot of those guys, the only time they ever feel normal is when they’re in a gym with a bunch of other savages. Yeah. It’s like, it’s guys who wanna do that for a living, you know, generally, something fucking terribly wrong happened when you were young. Yeah.
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That put this anger, this monster inside of you.
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Well, I tell you the I tell people all the time, jujitsu is my sanity.
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Yeah. Oh, jujitsu is meditation, man. Because if you are doing Jiu Jitsu, you can’t be thinking about anything else.
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Right.
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So it cleans your mind up. You know, we were talking about bow hunting. Yeah. I think that’s the same thing. I think in a in a different way. It’s just when you’re doing that, it’s so difficult. You can’t think about anything else.
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Right. I I love when I’m I don’t even care if I get or see an elk today. The places I go to get these elk Right. I could just sit there all day anyway.
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I know.
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You know what I mean? The fact that, like, one of these majestic beasts is gonna walk 20 yards from me, fucking bonus. You know what I mean? Like, I just you know what I’m saying? Like and I feel the same about jujitsu, you know, like, I I always, like, in jujitsu, when someone does, like, what you call high level jujitsu to me as it’s happening, like, couldn’t I don’t care if you’re smashing my fucking face.
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That was amazing.
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Are you kidding me? Like, let’s take a moment here. You know what I mean? That someone can do that. Yeah. You know, I remember when I was first starting jiu jitsu, I was, like, 30 years old and I thought I was a badass. I had kickbox, I had won a bunch of Taekwondo tournaments. I thought I knew how to fight.
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And I remember one day when I was a white belt, this purple belt just raped me. I mean, he was my size. This was what drove me crazy. He wasn’t bigger than me, and he just destroyed me. Just destroyed just did whatever he wanted. Triangled me, arm barred me, choke me.
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And I remember walking out of there going, I can’t first of all, what a, like, shift of, like, who you are in the world knowing that someone can just do that to you. Not a bigger guy, like, someone your size can just you’re helpless. And then I remember thinking, I gotta get good at this.
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Like, that having that as a skill, that’s, like, one of the greatest things you could ever have, like because that’s what martial arts was supposed to be when we were kids. Like, that the smaller person could beat the larger person just with technique.
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Correct.
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Until Horace Gracie came along, you never really saw that. The bigger guys always won. Right. And then Horace Gracie, all of a sudden, he’s killing people from his back. We’re like, what is going on? Yeah. This is crazy. He’s losing.
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He’s not losing.
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All of a sudden, he’s like Yeah. Yeah. He strangled some guy with his legs. We’re like, what the fuck is this?
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Yeah. I agree. I agree. I tell you, I met Hoyce. Like, we you know, in the early days, we’d bring Hoyce, and Horian was actually the first Gracie I met before Hoyce. Right? But we bring Hoist in and, like, watching these guys, like, you know, we get, like, 60 guys up on the mat.
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And this is hard to do, and this is a lot of guys because it’s Hoist, you know, and he would run through every dude. Yeah. Every dude. And it was like not like not like it was a close match. It was like whatever dude from the defo stepped in front of him was the 12 year old child against the fucking an adult. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Like, he just fucking handled everybody. And I remember one of those times, he just fucking I did something, and he cinched down on me like a spider, and I couldn’t fucking move.
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And he goes, yes. I did not think of this. This is a good move. And I was like, I don’t even know what the fuck I’m doing. Like, you
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you know what I mean? I I wasn’t even a white belt yet. It was just he’s just fucking me up. You know? But I knew, like, right then and there, I was fucking helpless.
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Yeah. It’s a weird feeling.
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And, like, yo, unacceptable. You know what
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I mean?
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Unacceptable. Yeah. Right? Unacceptable. Right word.
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Yeah. Like, you gotta learn this.
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You gotta know some of it. You know what I mean? And and even back then, like, we would all tell hoist, you know, because we were more Muay Thai. We would train a lot of Muay Thai boxing. Right? Wrestling. A lot of wrestling, you know, before the Jets and, like, we would tell hoist back then as soon as you learn to punch, you are super dangerous, which is I think where it is now.
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Yeah. Well, I think wrestling is kind of there’s, like, so many elite wrestlers now that have learned submissions and that extra skill of being able to throw bodies around is another level.
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I agree.
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Because wrestlers can learn jujitsu pretty easy. An elite wrestler, you take a guy like a Bo Nickel or a Daniel Cormier, teach him jujitsu. They’re gonna Khamzat Chimaev is the best example of that. Yeah. You’re gonna you teach a guy like that submissions, he already knows how to ragdoll people.
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So he has this ability to take everybody down and then on top of that, he’s gonna break your neck. Like, he it’s like that extra I think wrestling is like the foundation. That’s the one thing because then you can dictate whether the fight goes to the ground or stays up, You know? Yes.
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And then once you learn submissions, which is pretty easy for a wrestler to learn, it’s pretty similar.
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It’s the same sport. I used to wrestle, and it’s like the cradle for the pin versus an arm bar. Right? In my opinion.
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Darsh jokes, all these different things come from similar positions, but then stand up, you know. You have to have stand up today because every I think, you know, I’ve been talking about this a lot. I don’t think I think what when you have a fight and it’s 5 rounds, say of a fight, if a guy’s mounted on top of a guy at the end of the 1st round, I think the 2nd round should start with that guy mounted on top of you.
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I don’t think they should start standing up because it doesn’t make any sense. Like, you didn’t earn that stand up. That guy took you down. He got on top of you. He’s mounted on you. You’re about to get fucked up, and then all of a sudden you have a reprieve from the governor. Yeah.
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Reset. Round is over. Yeah. And now you’re standing up again. And if you’re a striker, that’s your world, but you didn’t earn that position. Right. It’s one fight.
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It’s not 5 fights. It’s one fight.
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Right.
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So why should you have a beginning of every round where you’re standing up?
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Yeah. I agree. I agree with that.
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If I could change the rules, that’s the first rule that I would change. I would say you whatever position you were in at the end of the round, that’s where you start.
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I completely agree with that. And I always feel like that it just fucks shit up. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then, you know, this doing jujitsu is like seconds matter. And this fight could turn around in seconds, but those seconds can happen if we stop this early.
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A 100%. Yeah.
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I agree with that.
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Well, the early days were wild. Right? Because there was no time limit.
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That’s what I watched. The early days is my heyday. Like, I could not get enough. I was, you know, fight dummy, for Hoyes for, socceraba. Who else? Oh, Hoyes. So okay. I’ll tell you a quick story about Hoyes. He, he comes out. We’re doing jits with him. And, I’m a new guy, so I’m like, hey.
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You could share my wall locker. Right? And you got a wall locker, and you got, like, your towel because the shower’s down the hallway. You know what I mean? Like, I have my clothes. Right? And then so Joyce put his family pictures, and I didn’t notice this, but they slowly did this.
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Him and my team re tagged everything with like my last name and team numbers with Royce. Right? So they re tagged all my gear
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as Royce. Right? They, the Hoist put his kids’ pictures up over mine. Right? And one day, I’m in the I’m in my locker, like,
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is this my locker?
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Like, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on? And I’m like, whose kids are these? Like, and then,
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Joyce is like, you know, yes.
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You like my kids? And I’m like, oh, those
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are your kids? Like, nah. That’s cool. Right? Like, years later, I’m in Iraq, and I’m like, I gotta go for, like, one of these surges in the Fallujah with another squadron, and, like, their ops are major calling me by name. And it’s like, I’ve been in Iraq, like, 30 seconds. These guys are calling me by name. Like, what the fuck? You know?
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And then he was like, we’re getting your stuff. It’s on it’s on the helicopter. You need to get on this little bird. We’re leaving, like, 20 minutes. And literally, I got on the little bird. They bring my kid over. I get my shit on. Right?
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And they’re like, yo, whose shit is hey, Royce? Is there a Royce? Royce?
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You know what I mean? And then, like, my bag is what it’s fucking still tagged with Royce’s name. That’s hilarious.
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Later. Yeah. That’s hilarious. So you started training martial arts in when you were in the military?
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In the unit. Yeah.
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In the unit. So did they have, like was it, like, technical training? Did they teach you? Did you did they have, like, real instructors? Or was
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how does it work? Yeah. So, in training, when you kinda make it to the unit, there’s a hand to hand program. A lot of the hand to hand program is, like, traditionally, like, you gotta cuff people. You know what I mean? Like, which is all Japanese wrist locks, which is a foundation for a lot of shit. Right?
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But, you know, you learn that stuff, like, how if you have a weapon, how to, like, approach somebody. If they grab your weapon, what to do. So it was all like, weapon focused, like, more like self defense. But I think back then in my day, right, in the nineties, it was still, bro, come at me like this.
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You know
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what I mean? And you’re like, why the fuck would I stand like this ever? Like, what the fuck was I doing that got me here? You know what I mean? Like so it was always some back then, there was a lot of hocus pocus. So we kinda had our own training program. And then as my years, the training program got better because we started getting hoist. We started ground fighting. You know?
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I think the the premise for everything they taught in my day when I was a student was, like, you know, weapons retention, Japanese wrist lock to get someone cuffed, you know, 2 man cuffing procedures, searching, and then, like, how to defend yourself if someone grabbed your weapon or if you went to the ground.
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Right? Right.
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Which is all stuff you have to
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know. Right.
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But there wasn’t a lot of, like, just No. 1 on 1.
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No. No. It’s like, you know, you’re in the you’re in the gym. They roll out the wrestling mat, and it’s like, okay. Come at the guy, like, with your rifle. You know, you know, a bunch of fucking white belts, basically, like, out there fucking around, basically.
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What does it was it, like, there was a system, like, a training system? Was there, like,
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a a There was a there was a system back then, and the system was really, I I think kind of 4 things without, really knowing what they did back then. I went through the training, but I don’t really know what the hand the hand was back then until later when I was, like, in the hand to hand program or fighting with guys.
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You know what I mean? But I would say this. Back then, I’d say it was wrestling. It was, Muay Thai. Right?
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It was a a little bit of Japanese wrist locks and some, Filipino martial arts.
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Oh, like kali? Kalhi.
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Yeah. We had guys that would do the sticks. I know a little bit of the sticks. You know, like, first time we got smacked 37 fucking times around the head was another guy.
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You know, this guy with his sticks. I was like, what the fuck was that?
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Like, how do these sticks move so fucking fast?
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You know? Dudes who are good
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with that are very impressive. Yeah. Super impressed. So I think that was really the foundation, like and, you know, maybe, like, some, I don’t know, like, dirty boxing, I would kinda imagine. You know what I mean? Yeah. Clinching, punching, stuff like that.
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Did how did these Filipinos develop that stick fighting? Like, where did that
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come from? Oh, man.
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Weird weird that, like, one culture is known for their stick fighting. Yeah. Kinda odd.
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Right? But, hey, I love all that, that the stick fighting, what do they call it, pontukin or whatever, the dirty boxing they do, like, all very make your opponent off balance at the same time you can strike. Or if they are trying to strike you, knock them off balance. Stuff like that.
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I’m just I’ve always been so fascinated how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting. Like, the Thais figured out the best way to fight stand up. Yeah. Kick the shit out of the legs.
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Yeah. Fucking kick his leg.
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Elbow the fuck out of people in the clinch. Yeah. Plumb, knees
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Yeah. The clinch.
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To the body, knees to the face. They figured out striking in a way that nobody else had. It’s weird that they did it. Yeah. And I think it’s just because of the competition all the time and the betting. Yeah. Because, like, they were fighting so often and they had so much money on the line for fighting that they developed a very pragmatic way of fight because they were fighting all the time Yeah.
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As opposed to, like, karate or any of these other things. I don’t think they were really fighting as much.
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Well, we don’t I mean, think about America, like, prior to Mike Tyson, boxing was kinda like Americans. If they would have seen, like, Hicks and Gracie, you know, if Hicks and Gracie would have been popular in, like, the seventies or sixties, people have been like, well, that’s not civilized fighting.
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You know what I mean? Like
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Right. Get your dukes up. This has gotta be fair. You know what I mean? Americans have a a very fair sense of what fighting should be. Like, Americans hate, like, dirty fighting and but, you know, all the all Muay Thai and and, Cali and all that, they that was all seen you know, those guys would come from Asia, fight around the states here, fucking kick everyone’s ass, and people still weren’t attracted to it.
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Did you ever see there’s one fight that’s like one of the most important fights in kickboxing where Rick Rufus who is like the king of American style kickboxing, like above the waist kickboxing fought this Thai guy. I forget how I can’t pronounce the guy’s name correctly so I don’t wanna butcher it. But this and Rick Rufus was fucking him up in the beginning.
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He dropped him. He had him in real trouble. Rick Rufus is really good, but this dude just kept chopping at the legs, chopping at the legs. And by the end of the fight, Rick’s in a heap on the ground. And his own brother, Duke Rufus, who became a world Muay Thai champion himself later and became one of the best trainers in MMA. This is this is the fight.
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What happened? I’ll show you his name. Oh, that’s how’s his name? Good luck saying that one. Yeah.
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But, oh, this is not this is a different this is like a compilation of a bunch of different people fighting. That’s not this is it. The fight that changed, kickboxing. So this this fight well, this isn’t it. This is a bunch of other shit. Go into the fight itself.
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That’s fucking No. Just go just for Chuck Norris. I’ve seen Chuck in there.
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Chuck was legit. Chuck was legit. So this is the fight. So in the beginning, Rick Rufus who’s like this above the weight kick, see, drops him on the left hand. Rick was really fucking good, man. He was really good, but they just didn’t know anything about the leg kicks. And after the fight, like, his brother Duke was like, well, I don’t think there’s any skill involved in kicking the legs And he was saying that, look, he drops them again.
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So he dropped them 2 times. Look like Rick is fucking them up. But this tie guy just he’s probably had 200 fights.
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Yeah.
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He just keeps kicking at the legs. And after a while, Rick’s legs are just dead. I mean, the tie guy is getting lit up, but Rick became, an unbelievable leg kicker himself after this. But no one knew. They just they just didn’t know. So as the fight goes on and this is like a huge, like, challenge match. You see, like, he drops him with his leg kick.
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After a while, Rick just can’t move anymore. Yeah. And this dude He
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ain’t even running away well.
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No. His his legs are dead right now, and he’s just getting every time this tie is kicking him, he can barely walk. Then at the end of the fight, he winds up in a heap because he just doesn’t know. Yeah. You know, he doesn’t know yet, and he’s getting dumped too. Like, look at these fucking low kicks, devastating low kicks. And at the end of the fight, he’s just, in a heap on the ground.
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Yeah. His kick had no power there. But the
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thing is, like, Rick was really fucking good back in the day. So when you that that didn’t show the end of the fight, but at the end of the fight, he just he brutalized him with just low kicks. The ties had figured something out that nobody had figured out, and it’s kind of shocking that this one area of the world, like, this one small island Yeah.
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That they figured it out. Yeah. It’s kinda crazy.
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Love it.
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Yeah. I I love it too. It’s just and then Brazilian jujitsu. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Until, you know, Maeda comes to Brazil in, like, the 19 thirties or some shit.
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Whenever that was.
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Whenever that was. And then they go the Brazilians are like, I think we can fix this. Yeah. And they start, like, you know, because Helio was a small guy and Helio is, like, going, well, what about if we just did it this way, we fought with leverage and just instead of using strength, we used technique and changed everything.
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Yeah. Changed martial arts forever.
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Yeah. I love it. I love all. Wild. Yeah. I’ll tell you that leg kick is my go to in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know what I mean? Like, I get about this far from you. This is good distance for me. You can’t grab my weapons. But what I would do is I’d throw the Thai leg kick, but I wouldn’t aim for the middle of the thigh. I don’t care about your pain.
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I’d hit your knee, and either it’s gonna break your knee or it’s gonna knock you out of your little fucking slippers.
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And then I just stand on your neck. Yeah. It’s it’s one of the most effective things you could do. You take away someone’s base. Yeah. And, you know, that’s a crazy thing about MMA is now we’re learning that kicking in the calf is actually even more effective than kicking in the thigh.
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Yeah.
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Because there’s no meat there.
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Yeah. Fucking hurts.
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Slam a shin into that and then all of a sudden your foot goes floppy. It doesn’t work anymore. Your leg’s useless. It’s crazy. And we’ve figured that out over the last 5 or 6 years, which is really nuts. Like, Michael Bisping, who was a world champion, told me he won his whole career without ever getting kicked in the calf. Wow.
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And that was, like, you know, 4 4 or 5 years ago, he was a world champion Yeah. And went his entire career without getting kicked in the calf. Nuts. It’s nuts. It’s like it’s constantly changing and evolving. Yeah. Like, people find something that works and they’re like, oh, what about this?
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I love that it’s always evolving too.
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Well, martial arts have evolved more in the last 30 years than they have in the last 30000 years.
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I agree.
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That’s that’s a fact. Yeah. That’s a fact. And that’s kind of shocking. You think about how long people have been fighting. I don’t know. You know, I see this
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you know, I shoot every day. I teach people to shoot all over the country all the time. Right? And it’s kinda interesting to me that, I don’t think it works like that. You know what I mean? Like, you would you would think people would have been doing this right the whole time, but there’s, like, a lot of myth involved.
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And and it gets watered down over time, I think, a lot of times, even in shooting. Yeah.
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Like, what are the myths in shooting?
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So fucking many, man. Really? Do we got the time? I just I fucking shred this shit. The NRA I go to I speak at the NRA shows. Like, the NRA hires me. I speak at, the NRA show this year. I actually got roofied in fucking Dallas at the NRA show. Yeah. No shit.
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Do you know who did it?
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So it’s fucking this is crazy. Right? But, okay. I have an assistant. Right? I don’t know. She’s, like, 30, blonde girl, pretty girl. Her and her husband are are with me, and I’m with, like, the SureFire representative, like, yo. Sorry. We got you roofied, by the way. And then like some other guys. Right?
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And we get done with the show and we just go have a drink or 2 and we’re going into, like, the hotel restaurant to eat a nice steak dinner. You know what I mean? So we get around to drinks and it was, like, well old fashions is what it was. Well, old fashions. And my assistant’s like I was sitting next to her. She’s like, I just can’t drink anymore. You know what I mean? Like, these are horrible old fashions.
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I just can’t, like, just can’t drink these anymore. And I was like, hey. We’ll be at dinner in a minute. They got good booze at the good restaurant. Well, get anything you want. Right? So she’s like, okay. So I was like, here. I’ll take it.
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So I held my cup up, and then I kinda held my cup up, the SureFire guy, her husband, and she kinda fills us all up equally.
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And so So somebody was trying to roofie her.
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Her. Right? So yeah. This is in Dallas. Right? So okay. So we go to dinner. I don’t know. I get this Wagyu burger. It’s fucking delicious. I’m kinda buzzed. I’m drinking good whiskey. You know what I mean? We’re having a good time. Right? I love good food. Right? So, I’m having a great time.
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Her husband’s at the end of the table and all of a sudden and that this is, like, within 45 minutes of that drink, which I also didn’t know. Right? So, his head hits the table. Boom. And I look at him and I’m like like like, is he okay? And then, like, hey.
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You know how, like, you know them blow up pools where you pull down the side and the water just kinda
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Yeah.
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Glides over the top? Yo. His mouth opens, and it was just like across the table.
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You know what I mean?
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And I was like, I pushed it away from the table, like, so it didn’t leak on me,
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and I was like, we gotta go. You know what I mean? It’s time to leave. You know what I mean? I’ll get the check by the front door or something.
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You know what I mean? But it’s we definitely it’s time
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for us. And you weren’t feeling it yet?
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No. I wasn’t I didn’t I didn’t feel anything yet. Right? So okay. So it was like I’ve never seen this happen to this guy ever. Right? So he this isn’t him. They’re like so it’s kinda weird. Right? So my assistant’s like, hey. I’ll take him up to the room. I was like, okay.
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Well, we’re gonna go have a few more drinks at the bar. Right? So me and the other guy go to the bar. She goes up to a room. Right?
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I don’t know any of this is happening, but as soon as I get to the room, head of security’s knocking on the door. So my assistant answers and then I guess the guy was like, is is there a guy that threw up in the restaurant here?
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And she’s like, he’s in the bathtub naked right now.
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Like and then the head of security, like, hey. We watched the tapes. Ton of info comes out. Right? So I
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don’t know who did it.
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I think so, but, like, and then Did it tell you? No. No. No. They they talked to my assistant and then her husband. Right? Like, so, I go down to the bar. Right? I put my credit card on the bar and, like, I fucking party till all hours of the night. Yo, what did I learn? If you roofie me,
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like you’re gonna wait 6 hours to get that booty because once you give me drugs, I wanna party, baby.
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You know what I mean? Like so I’m out. Like, I don’t know what
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the fuck the the SureFire guy fucking peters out on me,
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and I’m probably just in the lobby alone, like, oomph, oomph, oomph, oomph, oomph, oomph, oomph, oomph.
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I don’t know what the fuck. Know what was in it?
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Fuck no.
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Because it was just something. It wasn’t wasn’t necessarily roofy roof and all. It was probably something.
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I don’t know what it was. Yeah. So, the next day, we check out. Right? Show’s over. We check out. So my assistant’s knocking on my door, right? And I’m a get up early guy. I do my cardio. You know? So I’m normally up early and she’s knocking on my door, right? So I answer my door and I’m like thinking, the fuck is she doing here so early, right? Both of her and her husband.
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And she’s like, you know, I’m glad you’re okay. And I’m like, what? You know what I mean? And she’s like, what? What? She looks she’s looking at me.
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She’s like, not you too. And I’m like, me too? What? You know what I mean? I’m kinda foggy. Right?
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It was like fucking it was checkout it’s after checkout time. I slept till, like, fucking 1 in the afternoon the next day. I had the worst fucking hangover ever. Like, if that was a roofie’s due, the hangover, I understand why people don’t do them recreationally. You know what I mean? Like, I had the worst fucking hangover.
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So she’s like Did anybody get tested
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to find out what it is?
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Mm-mm. No. They had to fly home that afternoon. They got me in my sprinter van. I had to go to a class, like, somewhere else. I was
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on the fucking road. So, like, she got me
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they drove me to breakfast, got me something to eat, kinda sobered me up a little bit. Right? And then, they went to the airport, dropped me off, and I drove somewhere else in Texas. I was working here. And then, you know, the the head of security talked to her and her husband, called them a couple days later, check on them, make sure they were okay.
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But long story short is we had a round of drinks that none of us ordered come to our table. And they came to our table from the same waitress that we had. You know what I mean? So somehow we got a round of drinks, and we even paid for them. And when I got the bill, like, I don’t know.
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We had 2 drinks, and we were getting ready to go. And then a third one came, and I just figured, someone one of these someone ordered it. You know what I mean? It’d be fine. And then I just paid for it all. Did not even think of it.
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And so did the security know who roofied you?
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I think so. I think so. Tell you? I think they told my assistant.
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I think they And you didn’t ask her?
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No. I didn’t care.
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Yeah. Oh,
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I’d wanna know. I think it was like a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you.
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Oh. You
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know what I’m saying? I like I don’t think I mean, alright. 1st and foremost, I think everyone’s trying to burgle booty holes this day and age, and you gotta keep yours safe. So there’s that. Right? But, I also think, like, I think it was, like, they know all these people are in for these conventions, so they try to drug somebody and just
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No problem.
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Just just fucking he could’ve just took my had a hand it to my wallet. I thought you know what I mean? Fuck it. They wouldn’t that’s not a crime. He handed it to
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a buddy of mine recently. Oh, yeah? Yeah. He met this girl, and they go back to his place, and then he wakes up the next day and he’s robbed. Oh. Stole his Rolex, stole $25,000 in cash from him, but he got tested. And he had, I think it was Xanax. She piled a bunch of Xanax into his drink, and he was just out. Didn’t know what the fuck happened. Came to the club afterwards.
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He was like all fucked up, came to the comedy club. He’s a comedian, Hans Kim. Shout out to Hans. Hilarious guy. So he’s like, something happened.
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I don’t know what happened. We’re like, hey, man. Go to fucking go get tested right now while it’s still in your system. So he goes and gets his hair tested and they they found that there’s roofies in him. Damn.
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But I didn’t even know you
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can be tested.
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Yeah. You can be tested. Yeah.
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Oh, shit.
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But you there’s like a time period. They if you test hair, it’ll, like, last a little longer. And I think he laid waited a day so they had to test hair. But within a certain time period, they could test you and find out what it is. And they said, did you take any Xanax? He’s like, no. Like, you have a lot of Xanax in your system.
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And apparently, that’s one of the things that they give people to rob them.
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Dang. Does it cause a hangover?
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I’m sure. It’s got to.
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Come on. If you’re gonna drug me
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up He’s gonna whack you out.
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No. Drug me yo. If you’re gonna rob me, like, I just wanna say this to the world. If you’re gonna fucking rob me, like, give me the non hangover shit. You’re getting my shit anyway.
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What is the non hangover shit? Fuck. I don’t know. Whatever that shit is,
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you know more about drugs than me.
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I was in the army my whole life. I don’t think it exists.
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Damn it, Joe.
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I think it’s prescription stuff or GHB. I know a lot of people give people GHB.
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I’ve heard of that.
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That just gets you, like, you don’t know what the fuck is going on. Heard of that. I’ve heard of people getting roofied. If I was a woman, I’d be fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody. Fuck. Dude, I’ve talked to so many ladies that have had their their alcohol drugged by someone.
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When we go to bars, they keep their fucking hand over their drink all the time even when they’re turning around and looking away because they just never know. Some guy just drops something in there real quick. Mhmm. Next thing you know, you’re going home with them. You don’t even know where you are.
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I had a buddy. He doesn’t even drink. Like, someone convinced him to have, like, a glass of wine, small town North Carolina. And, like, the cops pulled him over, like, you know, not far down the road. And he was like, I I don’t know what’s going on, but
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I can’t feel my hands. You know what I mean?
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Like and he’s like he’s just a regular guy, you know, and, they brought him back to the station and someone had put I think it was a little bit of Fentanyl or some shit in the in the wine. And, like, he he left, and he said he felt fine. And he was driving. He said, like, I don’t feel right.
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Even though, like, he doesn’t really he had one glass of wine. Like, he might he doesn’t even drink. You know? I don’t even know why he had a glass of wine. Someone probably talked him into it. You know what I mean?
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He probably didn’t even finish it, but he’s like he, you know, he said he was lucky. He’s so lucky.
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Fucking nonhuman people out there.
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I’m telling you, that’s one of the things I wanted to talk about today is, like, there’s fucking real evil in the world. And in Iraq, we’re in Afghanistan. You go into these fucked up places where they’ve been, like, I don’t know, fucking raping, beheading people, fucking Forever. Tribal shit forever. Forever.
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Like, there was buildings I didn’t even wanna fucking go in. Like, you’d you’d go and you’d be, like, every fucking hair on my body just be standing up. And I’m at the doorway and be, like, I don’t even wanna clear this fucking building.
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You know what I mean?
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And I don’t know fucking why, but, I know there’s fucking old evil in this world.
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Evil’s real.
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It’s fucking real.
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And if you’ve never experienced it, you could walk around delusional. Think, oh, come on.
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It’s real. You can feel it. Like, when I’m around real evil shit, only 2 places I felt real evil shit in my life is Gettysburg and fucking in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yeah. I I felt that, like, I did because I felt evil before and it, like, makes me wanna throw up, it hurts my stomach.
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You mean
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in the area of Gettysburg? Yeah. Yeah.
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On the battlefield.
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Stepfather felt the same thing, and he’s not woo woo at all. He’s like a real straight edge guy.
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Fuck, man.
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And then said it felt so creepy.
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I was almost gonna me and, me and my my son were out there ghost hunting. Right? And we were both gonna throw up, and I didn’t tell him, but, like, I had felt that feeling. It’s crazy.
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That you said about Gettysburg because my stepdad’s never said anything like that before. And he said, just the feeling, it was so sad and creepy, and you just wanted to get out of there immediately.
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Makes me wanna throw up, that feeling.
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I think places have memory. I really believe that.
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Well, it’s I think it’s energy, and I don’t think it can be created or fucking you you talk to science, guys. Right? Mhmm. Energy don’t go away. Right?
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Well, I think you just don’t see it and you can’t measure it, so you assume it’s not there. But I think that’s one of the reasons why when someone gets murdered in a house, they have to tell you about it. Right? They have to. Because, like, people, they they know. Like, there was JonBenet Ramsey’s house. When I lived in Boulder I lived in Boulder for a while.
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We were we were looking at houses to buy, and there was this one house. It was, like, really cheap for the house. I was, like, this is a nice fucking house. They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house because everybody knew that it was the house that JonBenet Ramsey had been killed in.
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They they couldn’t fucking sell the house. And we were look yeah. Fuck that house. We were looking at the house on, like, Zillow. We’re like, oh, this is a beautiful house. Maybe we should go check out this house. And then we found out. We’re like, oh, that’s why they can’t sell it.
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Like, oh, man. Like, they changed the name of the street to try to sell this house.
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It’s fucked up. Yeah. Should’ve just bulldozed it.
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They should’ve bulldozed it and then what do you do about the ground? It’s still there.
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You still
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Would you wanna live in a place where they bulldoze the house where a little girl getting killed? Fuck that.
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Not not even not even joking about it. I don’t wanna live there.
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No. No one wants to live there. I don’t even know what it what it is now. I mean, I don’t know if anybody ever bought it.
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Yeah. I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area. You know what I mean? And, like, some of them houses were creepy for no reason and some weren’t. You know what I’m saying? Like
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Yeah. Yeah. There’s something. There’s something to that.
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But, hey, I was I was in Iraq, and I was in one of them, like, you know, Uday and Koussay, like, fucking raped people. Them guys were evil. You went
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to, like, their, like, their palace? Oh. All that kind of shit?
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All of them. My yeah. Those guys were I carried the I carried their bodies off an airplane and had to guard them until they got cleaned up by the morgue and DNA tested. Woah. But, them fucking guys, them palaces, like, they would pick up, like, fucking 12 year olds off the street. They didn’t give out them to talk. The lions.
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We found them fucking so Uday had lions and the lions were it’s not funny, but, I mean, it’s kinda humorous, but I think it’s funny. The lions were, like, on the the army side, the big army side, and they were inside this fence. Right? And then the lions were like, just lazy as fuck.
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Didn’t care about no army guys. And then one day, I seen a lady and kids walk by and they’re just behind chain link. And them fucking lions went nuts and I knew like only that fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. They were fucking evil.
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I read so many horrible stories about those guys that they would find a woman who was getting married and, they would rape her and then feed her to their dogs.
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Yeah. Or the fucking carp outside the palaces, you know, them big lakes full of these giant carps that just, well, gonna eat bodies like you read about. Yeah. But, so I was down in one of those one night just because, like, I could be, and I had my flashlight. Always been fascinated by ghost hunting, by the way. So I’m down there by myself just exploring. You know what I mean? And, like, this fucking door slammed on me.
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You know what I mean? I was freaked the fuck out. And I’m the only one down there. You know what I mean? Like, freaked me the fuck out, man.
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Yeah. And the energy down in those fucking, like, rape rooms or whatever the I don’t know what the fuck you call it. Like, they did fucking bad shit there. It’s just, like, I don’t know. Like, it it it like you ever ride like a roller coaster and it like turns your turns your stomach?
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Yeah.
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That’s how it feels to me in them rooms. I don’t know what that is, but it makes me almost wanna throw up. And the stronger it is, the more I feel like I’m gonna throw up. But, those guys were such fucking monsters.
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It’s just so crazy that that that story repeats itself over and over again. Like, the sons of kings Yeah. That grow up that way are always just super fucking evil because they have unchecked power from the time they’re a child. Yeah. Yeah. I got
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I gotta be honest. If I could clone myself and I’d had, like, a mini me right now, I would abuse him just to make sure he grows up right. I would raise him right. You know what I mean? Like, I don’t and I when I say abuse him, I mean, like
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Force him to work hard.
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Yeah. Fucking earn his shit his whole fucking life. I mean, like, yeah, I had a guy like, I had a, I don’t know what he was. I was in the Middle East somewhere and, one of the guys asked me, like, are American babies stupid? And I’m like, what? And he’s like, are American babies stupid?
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And I’m like, why? And he’s like, well, in America, like, there would be a fence at the edge of the cliff so the baby can’t go over. In my country, like, the baby knows don’t go by the cliff. And I’m like, I don’t know. Like, fuck a fuck? What the fuck?
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Well, I bet they don’t. I bet the babies that don’t know go off the cliff and their those genes never propagate.
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Again.
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Yeah. Yeah. That’s the most harsh form of natural selection.
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Darwinism right there.
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The most harsh form of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No fucking I mean, kids that grow up outside, lock key kids, like, when I
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was a kid. Yeah. You just left
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out of the house. Bye. Have fun, and you figure out who’s the child molester. Yeah. Yeah. You figure you figure out who’s a creep, who’s what’s dangerous. Don’t don’t go near the train tracks. You can’t hear the train till it’s too late.
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Stay away from the truck.
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Kid that gets hit.
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Yeah. At the liquor store.
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Exactly. Yeah.
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Yeah. I did the same thing.
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You learned about danger.
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Yeah. I tell you, my, I I got my first key. I was 6. I fucking lost it, like, the same day. My mom’s yelling at me, and she’s like, you know, what do you got to say for yourself? I was like I still remember. It’s like one of my oldest memories. I was like, I’m 6? Yeah. And she was just kinda like, yeah.
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I’m 6. Like, I had it one fucking day. Like, I never carried a key in my life. Like, of course,
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I’m gonna fuck this up. You know? And she
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was like, we can’t afford all these keys. You know what I mean? Right.
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But at the same time, like, I’m fucking 6. You know? So we ended up having to hide it somewhere and then, you know, because my brother wasn’t good at fucking keys either, like
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You know, it’s fucked up that I don’t want that to happen to my kids. Like, I don’t want Mike I mean, my life was nothing like your life, but I was definitely, like, let loose in the world, you know, and not really given any guidance.
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Ton ton of let loose with no guidance.
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But that’s how you make a person like you. Like, a person like you doesn’t come from a home that has, like, you know, you’re coddled, you’re taken care of, you’re always protected. Yeah. Like, the only way you make, like, a legit beast of a man is that that man has to go through a lot of shit through their life and then they come out on the other end hard.
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Right.
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It’s the only way. Right. You don’t, you know, I’ve never met, like, a world champion fighter that came from, like, the happiest of childhoods. It just doesn’t exist.
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Yeah. But I don’t feel a lot of a lot of unit or special forces or ranger guys. Like, I used to call it the fatherless. You know what I mean? And it it works kinda 2 ways. Either you had a dad, but he worked and he came home and he passed out and he woke up and he was gone before you got up.
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And when you got home, he was asleep on the couch or already out for the night because he fucking works fucking a lot of hours. Or you kinda just didn’t have a dad. You know what I mean? Right. Those people make special forces soldiers just like, you know, dad issues for a chick or put her on a pole.
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Those same issues and a dude puts them in special forces, I think. Yeah. And I’ll take the fatherless all day long.
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Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, those are the world champions. I mean, that’s Mike Tyson. Right? You know? Yeah. He was 13 years old. No family. Yeah. Gets adopted by a guy who’s a psychologist who’s, you know, a hypnotist. Yeah. And he’s a great boxing coach and teaches him to become this elite fighter.
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And you’d I kinda think that you don’t become that guy unless you’re dealing with all sorts of unspeakable tragedy and horrors Right. When you’re a child.
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Well, you wouldn’t have that kind of focus without that.
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Right. You wouldn’t have that monster inside of you. Like, you have to that monster has to grow because it needs to be there.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah. I would say, like and I don’t know what the ratio is, but I would say, like, one out of every fucking 100 or 300 is, like, the fucking high school quarterback who married the fucking prom king. Very rare. Yeah. Like Very rare. I think I only knew one of those guys.
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Yeah. And those guys, I bet if you dig into their childhood, their dad is probably a little abusive.
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Yeah. Or their mom or their
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sister. Brother.
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Yeah. Something.
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There’s another these older brothers. It’s like you wanna find the young brother. The young brother’s the beast. I’m the little brother. That’s it. The young brother gets beat up by the older brother and just constantly in battle his whole life. Like, so many fighters the the best fighters have, like like, Chris Weidman’s got a great story like that.
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Well, I
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mean, think about this. If you had to fight your bigger brother off your whole life, you would be good at jitsu. Why? Because you understand leverage, you understand patience, wait for the move. Yeah. Take some punishment, move later. You know the deal. Right?
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Accustomed to being in battle all the time
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Right.
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With your brother. Right.
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Yeah. Hixson was a little brother to Holes.
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Yeah. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. And Horian. Yeah. Hixson is, he’s such a unique guy because he was, like, the first guy that figured out, like, that physical strength, yoga, all the gymnastic, natural stuff that he did, flexibility. Breathing. Like, yeah, he was like a physical specimen on top of being super technical. Yeah. So he had, like, both things.
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Yeah. He had it all, I think, way before people knew. Way before. Like, he he knew the winning mindset and how to keep that mental edge Yeah. With all the other things. And the fighting was just something that he grew up to do, I think, in my opinion. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. He had that samurai mindset.
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Yeah. I’m telling you, I think he like, I talk to a lot of people. I know some legendary guys from the army. Right? When he talks, it’s like this weird time vortex. You ever talked to him, like, seriously?
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Like Yeah. I’ve had a couple of podcasts with him. Wow.
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Like, it’s incredible, you know.
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I went over his house once in, like, 2,000 and, him and, his his son, and we were watching Colosseum. So Colosseum was, like, the last time he fought when he fought Funaki. And we’re watching all the different fights. He had a a tape of it, and we’re watching it. And he was breaking down all the things that all these guys were doing wrong.
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It was such a fascinating education. Yeah. He’s like, there’s too much space. Yeah. You start here, there’s too much space.
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And he goes he he had this philosophy
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Good accent,
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by the way. If he goes, we started a neutral point. We started a neutral point. If I get to 1, I’m not going back to 0. I’m going 1 to 2 to 3 to checkmate. He goes, I’m not going backwards. He goes, these guys, they lose position. They go for here, go for there, all this extra space. And he was, like, breaking it down while we’re watching the fights. It was such an education.
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Love that. Oh,
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it was fucking amazing, man. It was amazing.
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Yeah. He’s a he’s a legend.
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Oh, man. Like, one of the great legends of martial arts. You know, if you, like, go into the history of martial arts, Hicks and Gracie will go down as, you know, there’s a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends. Him and Royce are right up there.
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Yeah. I agree with that.
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And Royce would tell you like Hixson, he goes, my brother was a 100 times better than me.
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Yeah. Well, when Royce used to come to us, he would tell us straight up, I’m not the family fighter.
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Yeah.
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Our our the you know, and I think what he told us back then was, like, I don’t know, Hixson was pride contracts. UFC was different. Couldn’t figure it out. That’s why Hoyce even fought. Right? I I thought that was kind of the deal back then, but I don’t that’s a long time ago.
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Horian, there was a bunch of different thoughts on it. You know, hoist jokes around. He goes, he goes, look how beautiful I am. That’s why they wanted me. But it was also because Hixson was very physically dominant. And the idea was, like, let’s have this guy that doesn’t look physically impressive to show jujitsu, to show the power of jujitsu.
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But if that doesn’t work, then we bring in Hixson. I know that. But obviously, hoist beat everybody. And then Hixson went over to do Japan Valley Tudo Yeah. In, like, 94, I think it was.
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I used to love all those. The Vale Tudo’s pride. I thought that was the best.
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Oh, the the great the golden era of martial arts is just when everybody was learning.
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Yeah. Like, holy shit.
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There’s so much out there.
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Yeah. I agree. I loved every minute.
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And then Fedor Amelianenko comes on the scene. He’s just like,
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Fedor is my favorite.
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One of the all time greats. He’s another one. I mean, if there’s an the greatest heavyweight of all time, you have to he’s gotta be in the conversation.
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I feel like, back in the day, we’d be like we’d be talking about fighting and they’d be like, man, I wonder if anyone’s ever, like, done this from, like, the mount. Yeah. Fedor won, like, 6 fights like that. And then, like, I wonder if anyone’s ever done, like, something like this and, like, well, Fedor won his last fight just like that.
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And you’re just like, fucking this guy. Like, you
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know, in his prime, he was a monster.
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Yeah. I agree.
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And so stoic. Like, his expression never changed. Yeah. He gets head kicked. He gets suplexed. Yeah. No. Nothing.
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It’s like no one’s home in there. You know what I mean?
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Just just didn’t register. He was just a machine.
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Yeah. Yeah. I loved him. And I like when he, I see an interview one time. Remember his brother, Alexander?
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Sure.
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He was like, Alexander is better than me if he just wouldn’t party so much.
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Yeah. He was an animal.
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And I was just thinking, fucking Fedor saying his brother’s better than him. You know
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what I mean? Well, his brother was bigger and taller and was a nasty striker, man. His brother was a vicious striker.
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Had good kicks too. Oh my god.
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He was fucking good, man. Yeah. But that was that was the days where, you know, everyone was just kinda figuring out what worked and what didn’t work.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You had, Vanderlay, the axe. Oh, man. 11th.
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It was also a time where everybody was juicy. Yeah. The the whole the whole organization was, like, I had a friend who was gonna fight over there and he was a £170 and they said, no. We want you to fight at 185. Go do steroids. Like, go do steroids. And he’s like,
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what the fuck? He’s like, they tell us
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to do steroids. And he when Ensign was on the podcast, he told me, in the contract, it said, like, in capital letters, we do not test for steroids. They’re, like, go have fun. Yeah. Come back yoked up. Come back juicy. Yeah.
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Everybody was juicy back then. Yeah.
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Because it was the wild days. It was like the Wild West.
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Right.
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They just wanted the best, most exciting fights possible.
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I think that’s what people want now.
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Oh, yeah. You know
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what I mean?
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Like That’s
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a real argument for that. I don’t think the fans give a fuck about drug testing. No. You know, I don’t think look. And I think this is for all like, the Olympics, I get it. But the NFL, like, like, seriously, why are you even fucking why? Why?
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Test what do you want the sport to suck? Like, baseball. That was the thing when they were doing, like, Mark Maguire and all that shit and Yeah. Sammy Sosa. Yeah. Why are you testing these guys? It’s the most exciting thing is to hit a home run. These guys are doing something that makes them better at hitting home runs. Everybody should do that thing. Whoever the fuck that is.
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Think about how much more money that bring those organizations.
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Yeah. But there was this thing back then that it was cheating. But what it really is is science. Like, they figure out there’s a way where you recover more, you get stronger, you get faster, like, hey, do that guys. And by the way, everybody else is doing it too. They’re just like hiding it in some sort of a weird way.
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You know, there’s this mask in it and taking weird stuff and there was, you know, the BALCO scandal where they’re all just taking a stuff called the CLEAR. So they You never even heard of that?
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You never
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heard of that? No. I don’t know.
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I had that
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guy, Victor Conte, on the podcast who created the CLEAR. And what he what he’s a scientist. And what he did is he BALCO Labs, they figured out that when they’re testing, they’re testing for very specific metabolites. So they took steroids and then they changed it slightly so that it didn’t show up in the test.
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And they’re giving them the stuff and they would all pass clear. And they’re all fucking just monsters like Barry Bonds. Yeah. Yeah.
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He was
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a monster. I met Barry Bonds in 1994. I was on this television show called Hardball, and Barry Bonds was, you know, he was still a major league player, a big time player. Famous.
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He’s famous.
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But he’s a regular guy. Like, you look like a regular athlete. And then he started getting juicy. And then years later, he gained, like, £60 and was just fucking gigantic and smashing home runs. Like, that would be good. Like, you should keep doing that, whatever you’re doing.
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I think that’s all sports. Yo. Jump as high as you can. Take your fucking gear. Jump high. Run far. Smash each other. Let’s go.
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Well, that’s the enhanced games.
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You know,
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the enhanced games doing that. They’re developing this whole protocol right now, and the enhanced game is gonna let people do whatever the fuck they want that works. Yeah. And their idea is we are gonna develop the best athletes in every discipline, and then we’re gonna give them a lot of money.
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And we’re gonna, like, fuck the Olympics. The Olympics is a giant scam. Yeah. Because the Olympics, the athletes don’t make any money. And NBC and all these broadcast networks and the IOC, they’re making 1,000,000,000 of dollars off the backs of these athletes’ hard work, and no one is going to see them.
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They’re going to see the athletes.
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Right.
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I mean, the athletes aren’t even compensated. It’s a crazy scam. It really is because it’s not like no if no one made any money, including the networks, including the IOC, great. Great.
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Right.
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Right. That’s not the case. Yeah. Someone’s making a fucking shit ton of money, but it’s not the people that are putting in the hard work. It’s the people that are pointing cameras at them. Yeah. It’s the dumbest fucking thing of all time. Yeah. That’s true.
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So the enhanced games is like, let’s throw out the drug testing. Let’s encourage people to do whatever the fuck that works and let’s give them a lot of money. So, like, whoever wins, whatever they do, give them a $1,000,000. Yeah. And then you’ll get like, the elite athletes will be like, why am I wasting my time competing for free?
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Maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc, and my career’s over, and I don’t have shit to show for it. Or I can do steroids and then win and and have money for the rest of my life.
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Yeah. I wanna watch the steroid sports.
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Of course.
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You know what I mean? The enhanced league or whatever it’s called, like, that sounds to me like the NFL is going away. Yeah. I know. I wanna see the mountain hit another mountain. You know what I mean? Like, let’s go. If they just got if they told
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the NFL, let’s just say everybody get juicy. Fuck. Those guys are already freaks.
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They’re already doing it.
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Like Probably. You know
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what I mean? I I only imagine. I don’t know. Have to be. My 2¢ is, like, you’re doing it anyway. Just fucking go with it.
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The way I understand
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it, they
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allow they let them know when testing is happening. And so then everybody Why
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would waste the fucking money? You know what I mean?
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Like, phone it in.
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Let’s just phone that in. You know what I mean? Like, yo, I took that drug test. Okay.
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Click. Save
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some money for everyone.
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The drug test should be multiple choice. That’s Yeah. So they can fill it out. No nothing.
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Yeah. The the drug test should be we’re just kinda curious if you had any success, and then we wanna know what works so we can recommend better stuff to people.
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Right. But there’s
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what I would do.
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Weird thing about, you know, protecting the athlete’s health. Like, hey, fuckface. They’re playing football. If you really cared about their health, you would tell them don’t play football. So There’s no way you care about their health. Yeah. There’s no fucking way. Yeah. You know, it just doesn’t make any sense.
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I mean, there’s inherent natures of danger there. Concussions, knees, shoulders. Right?
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Like Everything gets blown out. Yeah. How about vaccines? How about you making them get vaccinated and have fucking heart attacks on the field? Does that make any sense? No. You don’t care about their health. You’re full of shit.
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Yeah.
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Those guys didn’t have to worry for a second about COVID. They’re elite athletes of the highest order. Do you really think that’s something that is literally only kills, like, point o 3 percent of the people who get it, and those people or most of them have comorbidities? You really think elite athletes of the highest order had to worry about that? Of course, they didn’t. It’s all bullshit. You don’t care about them. Yeah.
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Let them get juicy.
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Yeah. Fucking juicy. Let’s go. Get that gear. You know what I mean? Hey. Let’s take those piss cups and turn them into fucking drink cups
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and
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serve them some whiskey in the locker room. Let’s get this shit going, and I want more fighting in my sports. You know
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what I mean? That’s why I like hockey.
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Yeah. I love hockey.
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The last sport that allows fist fights normally in the middle of a sport. Yeah. It’s the only sport that allows the occasional fist fight. Yeah. Well Which is kinda crazy.
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I live in North Carolina, and there’s a there’s, like, a little local hockey team at Bragg. And, like, every I I go to a lot of hockey games because it’s like it’s like $7 for, like, a long time. You know what I mean? And they’ll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving day.
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I mean, you know, they’ll throw like a they’ll they’ll have like a non league team come in, and it’s fucking blood on the ice, man. These like,
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the southern provisional hockey league, like,
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I love this hockey league.
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Wild that that’s the only sport where fist fighting is allowed.
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Yeah.
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It’s kinda crazy because it’s grandfathered in. Yeah. Because it’s basically bare knuckle boxing in the middle of a sport Yeah. Which is real weird. Yeah.
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Well, then you got soccer where, like, you know, you rubbed elbows with the guy and he falls over. And you’re like, what the fuck? You’re faking it. Like Yeah. I have children. I know the faker.
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Like, what the fuck? Like, I’m a parent. You can’t fool me. Well, anybody could see. It’s the dumbest thing. Like, a hand Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. They fall on the ground.
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They fall down and they’re fucking holding their side. They’re holding their chest. It’s so dumb. But it’s also one of the reasons why it’s not really accepted in America. Yeah. You watch that flopping. We’re like, come on. Get up. This is so crazy.
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Yeah. I totally agree, man.
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Especially when people watch football. You’re watching guys get fucking waylaid by a 300 pound super athlete. They get up and shake it off and then they’re right back on the field. Yeah. The guy is like a justice helmet a little bit. You know what I mean? He takes his mouth piece out. You go, alright.
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He could fucking move on.
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I just started watching football literally this last year. And, you know, when I see guys collide, I fuck I I’ve had so many injuries, knee surgeries and shit and jujitsu injuries. I see guys get hit. I just, like, fucking hold my knees. I hold my back. I’m like, oh. Because it’s the most brutal shit of all time.
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A guy who’s £290 is running full blast and colliding with you with a 100% of his strength.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s fucking crazy, man. Yeah. I used to, when I was 38, I was a sergeant major in the army and, like, I don’t know, hand to hand jujitsu kinda got boring for me. So, like, I was looking for other hobbies. I was at the p x and I seen, like, the Fort Bragg rugby team practices, like, Tuesday at 6 or something.
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So I just went out there for something to do, man. And I’m gonna tell you, you think fucking jiu jitsu fucks people up? Fucking go play fucking rugby. Matter of fact, stay the fuck away from rugby. Like, it’s fucking brutal.
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And, like,
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no helmets.
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No nothing, man. And, like, when I was a kid, I don’t know if I can say this, but we played smear the queer all the time. Like, I don’t know what you call that, but that’s what it was just called when we were kids. I’d come home, my shirt would be ripped, I’d get another beating because, like, you ripped another shirt. These are expensive. You know what I mean?
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But it, like, it’s my brother’s anyway. Right? Like, not like you bought me a shirt. But, man, it was, like, crazy, my first practice. Like, the ball’s sitting there and then one of the coaches is, like, grab the ball and run.
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I just fucking grabbed the ball and just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over and then, like, guys are like, man, what college do you play in? I was like, none? And I never played rugby a day in my, you know, my first game, you know, was like fucking in my 3rd practice.
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You know what I mean?
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That’s crazy. But in in doing jujitsu and fighting people in Iraq every night, like, I thought rugby was kinda easy. The guy’s running at me and I just gotta take him down, fucking double legs. And then I started getting more tackles than anyone and my coach, you know, they just keep stats and be like, you had, like, 80 tackles a game.
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How do you do that? And it’s like, double double double leg takedown, single leg, maybe a trip. Yeah. You know what I mean? And but, and then, like, one of the times, you know, one of the coaches was like, hey.
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Will you teach us how, you know, how would you how do you normally tackle? You get the most tackles and, like, double, single legs.
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So you basically teach them wrestling. I just taught wrestling, man.
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Why don’t
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they teach them that? That would seem to be, like,
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the good skill. Pro level fuckers are doing that.
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They have to.
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Like, have to. You Yeah. I mean, because think about this, like, I know a lot of linemen, do like cali for hand speed and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Right? Because they gotta they gotta win the hand fight. So I know there’s a lot of sports that use a lot of discipline so I would imagine they would have to be fucking having, you know, wrestling practice or takedown tackle practice.
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Right? I would imagine they’re doing same shit as everyone else for a while.
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Just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body. Right. Yeah.
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Right? Well, there’s no pads. So, you know, you can’t come 30 miles an hour into this tackle. You might have to come in at 10 miles an hour. You know what I mean? Because you got no pads. Right. You know? Well, that’s
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the argument against pads in football is that these guys, the only reason why they could play the way they are and collide with each of the full blast is because they have helmets and pads on
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Yeah. Which is totally true. I want thicker helmets and more collisions. Let’s go. Come on.
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It would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads. I mean, that’s what they used to do. Yeah. In fact, they had those little leather heads.
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Yeah. Yeah. They were leather helmet. Like, you couldn’t pay me to wear one of those. Get the fuck out of here with that.
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I wonder how many guys died playing that.
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Imagine how many concussions.
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How many head to head collisions Oh. Running full blast. And then, you know, if you’re Samoan, you’re really, like, some big giant dude. You’re gonna go head to head with guys because you know you’re gonna win it.
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Yeah. Fuck every time, man.
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So you just fucking headbutting everybody. Yeah.
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The the army team has a lot of Tongans. There’s a Fort Bragg. Tongans are paratroopers as people. I don’t know how that works, but they are, man. They all play rugby. A buddy of mine was like I was like, you know, you how you know, when when you start playing rugby, he was like, I was like 3, you know, huge guy.
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Like, I knew I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby when the Tongans were like we’d pick they’d pick teams, and all the Tongans would be like, we want Big John. You can have the rest. And I’d be like, yeah. Me and the Tongans to get some. Right? We’ll fucking crush the people.
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But, like, they start playing with, like, a coconut. Jesus. Imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on a coconut. Like and I’m like, why would you play with a coconut? And he was like, well, there was only 1 rugby ball on the island, and the bigger boys had it.
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I was
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like, Jesus.
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Okay. Like Yeah. But, yeah, I played rugby for a while, and I stopped doing MMA to play rugby. But what I realized is rugby is way more injury prone and dangerous, so I kinda went back to jujitsu.
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Oh, yeah. 1 on 1 is definitely you can control a lot more of what’s going on than a bunch of dudes Yeah. Colliding into each other. Yeah.
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Yeah. I agree, man. So
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Hard fucking sport.
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I know. Rugby is awesome.
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It is awesome. It’s weird how it never took off in America. It’s kinda strange, you know, because we love violence. You would imagine that rugby would be something that we would have adopted.
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I I think the only reason it’s not popular is because of the time. Like, it’s like soccer. Once it starts, it doesn’t stop. Americans wanna go take a piss and get another beer and come back and then they want to use commercials. Yeah. And, like
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That’s the big thing about soccer.
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And the game never stops.
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Tough to sell commercials
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because
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you can’t stop the game.
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Right.
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Whereas football, you have a fucking you have halftime, bro.
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You got
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a whole half hour. Well, you ever see the apps
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that just show you the plays of football? A whole game’s like 12 minutes of actual work. You know what I mean? 10 minutes. You know what
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I mean? Soccer. Those motherfuckers are running the entire
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game. Let’s go. And it doesn’t stop. You know? You have to
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be in insane shape to play soccer. Your the cardio is just nuts. You’re basically sprinting for the entire game.
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Yeah. I never played soccer, but and I don’t think I would enjoy it.
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Well, we went to watch. They’re the they have a professional league here in Austin, and these dudes have these fucking quarter horse legs.
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Yeah. I
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bet. They’re, like, thin upper bodies and these fucking gigante legs because they’re just constantly doing plyometrics. They’re just constantly sprinting and going side to side and left and right and fucking crazy cardio. But it’s never gonna sell in America if you can’t have commercials.
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Yeah. I think that’s why rugby is not popular also.
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Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. Maybe they just change the rules a little bit. Right. You know? Can you give us a little
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break here? Crazy. Yeah. Here’s what we’re saying is rugby starts and stops without a time. That’s the same thing we want for you just said for MMA. Oh, yeah. Right?
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Well, that’s the problem with MMA too. Right? You can’t have a no time limit fight because
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How are you gonna get the next fight at midnight or 10 o’clock?
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Dudes would kind of fight to the death. Like, if you get the best of the best today where they’re so evenly matched and they’re brawling
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for an hour. Hours, 5 hours. Like
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And then it would probably end your career. Like, at the end of it, you might not ever be the same again. Yeah.
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You’d be spent. Like, you got one of those in you. Right.
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Because there’s a lot of guys, like, there’s a fight and you could point to that fight and say he was never the same. Yeah. Tony Ferguson, Justin Gaethje. A lot of people point to that fight. Justin Gaethje battered Tony Ferguson so bad. He was he was undefeated up into that ball or maybe he lost a couple of times, but he was the boogeyman.
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Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport. And then one bad beating and he was kind of never the same again. Because one bad beating just Yeah. Changes everything. Yeah. You just never really recover.
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Yeah. Well, once you lose the mental edge. Right? Like
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There’s a little bit of that, but there’s also, like, a bad beating to the brain. Like, he got just he got hit so many times in his head. A bad beating to the brain after a certain I mean, no matter who you are, if you’re sparring and if you’re fighting, you’re getting hit in the head, period.
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And so over the course of your career, you’re already accumulating a certain amount of abuse and there’s one fight that could break the camel’s back. Yeah. Like in boxing, I always point to Mildred Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez. Like, Mildred Taylor was the fucking man, won the gold medal in the Olympics, and Chavez just methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the last round of their fight.
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Like, literally, 2 seconds to go, Richard Steele stops the fight. And from then on, he was never the same. It just he took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never same again.
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Yeah. I think that happens with soldiers too. I’ve seen a lot of guys who are like, we got mortared or rocketed and then next deployment guy doesn’t
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wanna you know what I mean? It’s a mental thing.
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Yeah. I think there’s a there’s a time where everybody says enough’s enough. Right? Like
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Yeah.
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Whether you want to or not. And then once you reach that point, like, coming back from that point to become that mental champion again is a fucking long road.
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Is there anything like you as a leader when you see a guy who’s maybe crossed over in that way? Is there anything that you would do to try to bring him back or is there nothing that could be done?
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That’s a great question. Define bring him back. Define what’s wrong with him.
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Right. I guess a confidence thing or just being terrified. So Like new fear being introduct you know, a lot of guys think they’re indestructible Yeah. Until they’re not. And then all of a sudden, now this is a new factor.
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Yeah. I used to teach, tandem jumping and bundle jumping in the military. And I don’t know if you ever seen my social media, but, like, I’m in the sky flying and there’s a huge barrel under me. I used to teach that. And what would happen is if you had a bad jump, you know, bundle jump, you would have to cut away and, we called it the nightmare. Right?
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And you gotta end the nightmare. And this thing starts spinning you out of control. It’ll be so many g’s that, like, you’ll pass out. The parachute will open later. Right? You’ll be fine. But we used to tell guys, right, like, fucking end that nightmare. Make sense?
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Now you’re the captain of the ship so a guy would have to end this nightmare however he ended the nightmare. Right? And then what would happen is afterwards, we’d review the video and I’d have to show a guy. Right? And then we’d leave him in the classroom for a minute and we’d tell him, hey.
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Gather your emotions, whatever you need to do, and then get on the next plane.
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Get right back on the horse.
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Get fucking back on that next plane.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? And, guys would do that. You know what I mean? A lot more SEALs needed that time than, like, unit guys because unit guys, like, yo, I’ll fly this motherfucker up your ass. We ain’t gonna have no problems today, son. You know what I mean? I’m not focused. I don’t know.
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I think the difference is that the unit is always more mature than seals. It’s an older culture. It’s older guys, more experienced guys, more methodical guys, more planned out. So, like, in a a lot of times, like, you know, younger guys, normally the seals, they’ll have their jump numbers, but they’re, like, their core, their what makes you you, confidence, dexterity, strength, fucking health.
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It ain’t there yet, and they kinda freak out once in a while. Younger guys. It’s a maturity thing, I think. Normally happens to the SEALs. Most unit guys are pretty mature and have been through so much shit by the time they get to the unit that, like, you’re probably unshakable by then.
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But,
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you see that in fights too. Like, young, undefeated guys who fight like a world champion who’s, like, in their thirties, and that guy breaks him down. And then you see, like, they don’t know what to do when things are going sideways Yeah. And then mentally, they fall apart. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. That’s right. That’s when the bad decisions will start. You know what I mean? And the reality is is you gotta snap your fucking self out of that. You gotta fucking put your parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane. I had plenty of those jumps. I’ve cutaway more. Fuck.
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I had a cutaway training for d day last year. If I can put my cutaway, you can see how fucking low I am and everything. You know what I mean? And I have procedures. I have another parachute. Like, we’re we’re all gonna die. Am I gonna let it ruin my day kind of thing?
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Like, let’s fucking move on.
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You know what I mean? But how did you develop that mentality just over time?
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I think that comes with what I just said is the core of a person, and I think this what the army is really good at at is developing this core. Right? In this core in this core, right, how do I develop your confidence? Moe, I don’t fucking know. I couldn’t even define fucking confidence because I went to Chicago Public Fucking School System, but I could tell you this.
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If I taught you to rally race car drive and you got pretty fucking good at it. If I taught you jujitsu, eventually you’re pretty fucking good at it. I show you skydiving, eventually you’re pretty fucking good at it. Right? Why? It’s because every one of these things I showed you world class level.
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And we brought world champions in to show you. Right? Eventually, you’re gonna gain confidence. It’s the taking your daughter to karate or your little kids to jujitsu. They have confidence that other kids don’t have. Right? That’s what you gotta build.
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So it takes a lot of different skills and getting guys good at a lot of different skills to build that fucking unshakable core. You know what I’m saying? Yeah.
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Yeah. And it’s it’s a matter of when do you introduce them to, like, extreme adversity? Do you build them up slowly? Like
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Right. And it it has to be built slowly. Right? Yeah. And then we used to say this, like, aircraft training. Right? Let’s say you gotta breach an airplane. Right? And you gotta climb a fucking 20 foot ladder because these motherfuckers ain’t low to the ground. Right? And you’re hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking £25080 in your shit, but you’re on these fucking ladders with fucking 6 other guys who all weigh the same as you or more.
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You gotta crack the door, get the fuck in this airplane. Right? Now let’s just say this is your first time and you crack that door the first time. And as an instructor, I know you’re cracking the door. And as soon as you crack that door, I fucking shoot you in the face.
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You know what I mean? Yeah.
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And with the training around. Right? How fucking embarrassing. Right? And then the reality is is, yo, you just move ruined this motherfucker forever. How do you breach an airplane?
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Uh-huh. What’s the what’s the successful protocol for breaching an airplane?
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Mechanical or explosive? What do you mean? Sometimes we open doors. Sometimes we blow doors. It depends. So which one you wanna know about?
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Okay. Let’s go with mechanical.
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Yeah. Most most doors have a lever on the outside that can be activated. And most doors, there’s a certain way they open. Right? My team, I was always kinda like a primary door guy. And then there’s a certain way doors open. There’s latches. So all airplane doors open from the outside.
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So but once you breach it, though, you’re in
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a tube. You’re in a tube.
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Knows where the door is. Yeah. It’s a very vulnerable position.
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Yes.
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And so what’s the protocol for breaching a door when you’re in a tube like that?
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So what you have to do is breach as many doors as possible and get as many people in as possible as quick as possible, and everyone goes to positions. Right? You got cover guys. You got runners. You got searchers. It’s a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircraft.
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Same with a fucking big cruise liner. Right? So, everybody’s gonna once the door is open, everyone’s gonna flood in and kinda, like, go to their places. You know what I’m saying?
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Mhmm. Right. So you plan it out. You know where you’re gonna be. Yeah. And then you’re still dealing with the chaos of you’re in a tube, and there’s only one way in. Yeah. And things are coming at you no matter what. Yep. Yeah.
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Yeah. So there’s
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no clean way to do that?
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Not even once. Not even once. No. Fuck no, man. You know
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what I mean? What a crazy fucking task.
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I know. But the back to the point is if a guy cracks that door, any door let’s say it’s your first time I’m showing you, like, alright, Joe. I’m gonna show you some, you know, close quarter battle. I’m gonna show you how to clear a door and then just joking around like you’re about to go through a door and I shot you in the fucking forehead.
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01:11:36
You would mentally never wanna go through that door again. Right? So I have to build you up to where, well, the first time you come through the door, well, I just let you come through the door. Right. And then it builds from there. Got it. And then there’s a point where it’s like, boy, this motherfucker shooting through the crack of the airplane.
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Wait till I’m in this fucking bitch. I got 2 pistols on me. This motherfucker’s going down. You know what I’m saying?
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Yeah.
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So as your as your confidence, your core, that core of a human being, like, that core of an operator, right, as that, like, becomes fucking concrete, a guy’s just unshakable. Like, let’s go I don’t give a fuck what disposition. I don’t care. Like, I don’t care if I fucking die. Let’s do this, you know?
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And it’s consistent training over and over
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and over and over and over. Do you
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think that this is what’s missing in the police force?
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Oh, man. Are you kidding me? First off, I work in a lot of police departments. I love police. I support police all the time. It’s a fucking thankless job. I’ll say that.
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Yeah.
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But I would say, like, think about this, Joe. If you trained police better. Right? I work at a lot of police academies. I’ve helped a lot of police academies. They don’t fail people anymore. I show them what I do. I train them to do what I do. They have great success with it.
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I would say this in a police academy. Let’s say it’s 6 months long, whatever they do. I don’t fucking know. Probably about 4 months of that is fucking paperwork. And then, you know, you get a little hand to hand, you get a little driving, you get a little shooting, and then you learn what? Yeah.
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But I’m gonna tell you this. As a cop, you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork. And when you’re in training, right, as soon as you, like, get your first arrest, your training officer is gonna be like, don’t write it that way. Hold on. Let me see your paperwork. Like this.
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Uh-huh.
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The paperwork could be OJT, and they could spend them time, right, training these guys. And if now I’d also say this is if police were trained better and truly uniformed officers are probably the only guys, like, stopping crime as it happens, if we train those guys better, why would we need SWAT teams?
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Right. You would have SWAT teams through the whole thing. Would Everyone be SWAT.
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Everyone could be SWAT. And if we got 10
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could be.
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And 10 of us come together Yeah. We’re our own SWAT team. Yeah. We don’t and then we could operate independently. We could operate 1 or 2 and, like, I think police don’t do the force multiplier thing. Like, each guy is his own fucking bastion of the law. You know what I mean? Like, I I just think they kinda shit injuries. They don’t do hand to hand. Right? Shooting could be dangerous. Right?
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And then most shooting is, you know, the instructor is god and you are fucking stupid. That’s how most training is. It’s like basic training, and, like, no one learns well like that either. You know what I mean?
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Right. Yeah. I I’m always shocked when I see fat cops, like, really fat cops. And I’m just like, how how your whole life is your body. Like, your whole life is you have to be able to physically defend yourself. You have weapons. You have, you know, the the law and the uniform and bulletproof vest and all, but your your physical body is almost useless. Yeah.
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I I was at a football game the other day and there’s this, like, obese cop, like, enormous belly. I was like, this is disgusting. It’s ridiculous. Yeah. You’ve let yourself get to this point where I know you can’t even run. You can’t you can’t you can’t last 30 seconds.
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All someone have to do is grab a hold of your arm that you would use to take your gun and control that arm, get you to the ground, and you’re fucked.
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Shit. I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar, their shirt. Where the fuck are you going? You know what
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I mean? Right. It’s crazy.
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Yeah. Look. Okay. First off, I think also police should have different jobs like the army. So, okay, if you were £400, maybe you’re the computer guy at the police force or a desk guy or you know what I mean? Like Right. I don’t think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever. However, if you’re on patrol, get the young 6 foot kids in there, man.
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You know what I mean?
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They can handle themselves. They’re young. They’re bigger than normal. Right? This is why a lot of troopers state troopers used to have, like, a 6 foot, 6 1, 6 2 height requirement Right. Because a 6 foot 2 man can generally handle most people. Right. You know what I mean?
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Especially a fit one
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who’s trained. Yeah. So I think the fit guys need to be on the force. I think I think there’s room for everybody. But I think with police is you’re a police officer or you’re a detective, and then that’s it. But, really, you’re always a cop versus, like, well, the army. Right?
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01:16:29
Okay. There’s drone pilots. There’s all these army jobs that kick the infantry kids out the door. Right. Why don’t police kinda organize like that?
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01:16:39
And that way, like, the guys are going to run people down can run.
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That’s what drives me crazy about this whole defund the police horse shit. Like, are you fucking crazy? You should be funding them more.
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Fucking crime is real. Yeah. It’s real. Evil’s real. Evil’s fucking real.
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Yeah. Yeah. To pretend it’s not, well, that just means you haven’t experienced it.
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Yeah. You’re living with blinders on. Yeah. Yeah. I say I agree.
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Yeah. It’s just bizarre that we expect these people to encounter danger and evil all day long their whole lives, like, 25, 30 years.
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I know.
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And, you know, you don’t you don’t train them properly. You don’t fund them properly, and then they get disrespected by the public.
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Oh, that’s the worst. Well, the worst I think the worst is when, like, the mayor or the police fucking chief is, like, not supportive of all of the fucking guys, and it’s like, you think the guys have bad intent?
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You know
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what I mean? I get it. There might be bad apples or whatever. Everyone’s got 10%. Say what you want, but, like
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How about Kamala Harris when she was running for president? She was all about defund the police.
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I don’t know how that sells with anybody.
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2019, 2020. I mean, it’s fucking crazy. It’s a crazy thing to say. It really is a crazy thing to say. Yeah. Yeah. I
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mean, if we defunded the police, we’d be Mexico quicker than we thought.
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Yeah. Right. Right.
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Because the cartels will just drive over the border.
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01:18:01
Yeah. That’s real. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about this idea of using special forces, guys, to fight the cartels?
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But this is first and foremost. Like, if you were like, yo, we’re gonna wipe out a cartel
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tonight, I’d have been like, I’ll load my frags extra careful.
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01:18:20
Like, let’s go. Right? But the reality is is like, I know all my buddies are like, yeah.
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We’ll fuck them up in
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a night. We’ll fucking yo. Yo. Fucking let’s back up a fucking second here. The cartels have fucking men. They own the ground. They have fucking technicals. They have machine guns. They have fucking everything an army has. Right? And they’ve had decades to train waiting for this, number 2. And number 3, our government’s fucking compromised.
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So if you think they ain’t gonna know you’re coming, you know what I mean? I think you’re fucking high.
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Jesus Christ. That’s a terrible, terrifying thought. The government’s so compromised. The cartel’s gonna get the word out before.
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Well, how are we gonna how look. We’re not gonna be in fucking sneaky. We’re not the Israelis doing that fucking pager shit. You know what I’m saying?
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Was wild.
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Yo. That needs to be the model for every fucking thing we do in the future.
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No matter what you think about the Israelis, what’s going on in Gaza, that pager shit was wide.
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01:19:22
Which tells me America should go back to making its own fucking cell phones and its own we shouldn’t have our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way, shape, or form, in my opinion.
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No. I’ve been saying that forever. We should have our own cell phones. Fuck. And the fact that we’re buying so much shit from China Fuck. Especially after they banned Huawei because they know that Huawei stuff was compromised and they’re having third party input and be able to spy on people. Yeah. It’s fucking crazy.
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01:19:48
Well, this is why we gotta go back to making America like it used to be. We made our own shit. We use our own shit. We wouldn’t have to worry about none of this.
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01:19:56
Yeah. It’s, it’s a very strange thing what’s happening in this country where China is allowed to buy land that’s near military bases. They supply cell phone towers. They they put all these different they sell us all these different shit, and we don’t really know. I mean, I don’t know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers.
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Fucking 0. I bet. Fucking 0.
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Mike Baker was on here and he was telling me about how around military bases, like, China has installed their equipment in all these military bases. Like, at Formula 1, we where we were Mhmm. My buddy owns the track and they found these Chinese boxes they had attached to the Wi Fi.
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01:20:37
So they were just scooping up everybody’s data. They called in Homeland Security to have them remove it and investigate it. What is
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a racetrack?
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A racetrack. But but they knew everybody was gonna be using this public Wi Fi. Yeah. Probably no VPNs, probably no security. And these people are getting their all their shit siphoned up. Fuck. They’re so sophisticated in how they’ve infiltrated. It’s fucking crazy.
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And we just allow it to happen.
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It’s very strange because you can’t buy shit in China. If you think you’re an American company, you’re gonna go over to China and operate with autonomy, you’re out of your fucking mind. Yeah. You can’t buy shit.
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Yeah. They don’t they’ll never let an
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American Never.
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No. They don’t want a Chinese would never buy communication devices from America.
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No. And they certainly never let America buy farmland right next to their military bases. They’re like, fuck you. Yeah. We’re like, sure. We’ll sell it to you. Are you gonna pay more? Oh, boy. We’ll take your money. Fucking It’s weird. It’s weird how goofy we are.
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01:21:36
I know. And then, like, well, I think it’s this, Joe. I think people don’t realize how fucking dangerous the rest of the world is and how, like, people are, like, plotting against us. And it’s fucking real out there. The world is a crazy place. I say this, Like, you don’t know how fucking safe you got it here and how fucking great we got it here.
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01:21:56
You know what I mean? Like, people don’t know that because they don’t never leave here, so they’re stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of, like, their own grind or whatever the fuck they do. And, like, look, I’m telling you the world is fucking evil. People will fucking rape you, kill you. No one gives a fuck. Like, protect yourself all the time.
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Well, you’ve been to parts of the world where you’ve seen this firsthand, and I think it’s one of those things where if you don’t see it, you don’t believe it.
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Yeah. I’ll tell you one of the I think the biggest thing I saw in Iraq. I think in maybe 2,009 ish, there was, like, the most fucking US soldiers ever been in Iraq. Right? Like, whatever the numbers are. I don’t fucking know. Right?
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But, when Iraq had the most fucking soldiers that it’s ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest. Think about it. You know what I mean? All we had to do was flood put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass. In every fucking neighborhood, there’s a machine gun and a fucking 50 cal Humvee. Right?
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Like, who’s fucking around? They’re everywhere. And that’s the safest Iraq ever was. I’m telling you, we have that here and people don’t understand that in general. So if you wanna defund the police, fuck, man. We’re fucked. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Like, it’s it’s a crazy, but
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You know, do you know Evan Evan Hafer?
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Yes.
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Yeah. Evan was, we were in a elk camp and he was explaining, some of the shit that he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan. Yeah. It just how he’s like, Afghanistan is so fucked that you can’t even comprehend it until you’re there. Yeah. He goes, once you’re there and you see it and you understand it, you you become so cynical. You almost like this culture is like unfixable.
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And he’s like, most people just don’t know that a place like that exists. That’s so just down to its core. So fucked. And he was talking about how these guys have these boys that they have as their their harem.
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The number 9 boy.
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What’s that?
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It’s what the Egyptian special forces called him, the number 9 boy. He’s the boy that gets fucked.
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Why number 9? I
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don’t know. That’s what the Egyptian special forces call. But every Afghanistan village had a fucking what do they call it? The choge boy or fucking something?
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Yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
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But, basically, the 12 year old that gets raped.
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He was saying these guys have harems, and they would parade them down the street to show they have the most boys.
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Yeah. This was this happened to me on my so I did a solo mission in Afghanistan, the book Kill Bin Laden. You ever hear of it? Yeah. I brought a hardback for you. Oh, nice. I’ll sign it for you if you want. Sure. But it’s hard to get
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a hardback. It’s like it’s like it’s got library shit in it. I had
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to buy it. Because, like, people always ask me to sign it. I didn’t write the book. I’m just in it. And, people always ask me for a signature on it. Right? So I bought, like, I don’t know, family or friends. Someone wanted one. I bought, like, a lot from a library. They didn’t use them no more because they don’t sell the hardbacks no more.
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But I went out on a mission alone in Afghanistan. I was gone 10 days. 1st I think first successful mission of the war, my opinion. I don’t know. I don’t know if there’s other missions that were more successful than mine. So, I went out alone and then I do the recon. I have the footage I need.
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I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid. We I’m alone. We stop. I’m in a fucking jingly truck. Right?
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Like, I fucking just I’m in this truck. I hitchhiked basically from Jalalabad into the Toribora mountains. I’m in a jingly truck with this fucking driver.
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What’s a jingly truck?
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You know, where they’re like it’s like a fucking like, a 6 wheel, like, dump truck, but, like, they hang the chains and bells, and they paint it, like, 17 different bright colors. And they they you never seen a jing
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yeah. Fucking jingly truck
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because it What
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is that? Fucking jingles, man. Yeah. Yeah. The fuck is that?
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Yeah. So I’m in one
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of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker. Right?
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He’s like a logger. He’s he runs the valley. He’s always in the area. But, like, I don’t know any of this fucking I can’t even talk to the guy. I don’t fucking speak shit. You know what I mean? And then, like, it’s fucking dangerous. I had to go through checkpoints. I had to act like a retard, to get through a fucking checkpoint. And what did you do?
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Man, I was at a fucking checkpoint, and the dude was like, there’s this fucking the checkpoints in Afghanistan are fucking sketch. You know, they got, like, 1 piece of yarn across the road. You better fucking stop or you will be shot. They don’t give a fuck about you. And, like, so the car in front of us, I think the fucking like, this dude, like, stole bread from a little kid. You know what I mean?
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Little kid was eating a piece of bread. We just snatched it out of the fucking car, yelled at the people. I thought he was gonna shwack him because they didn’t have anything to give him that he wanted. Mhmm. So I’m in this jingly truck, comes next, fucking AK and it just la la. Fuck. I don’t know what the fuck he’s saying. Right?
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But I know if I speak English, I’m dead. So not an option. So, he’s, like, yelling at me. Right? And then finally, I just figured I’m gonna do, like, volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face. Right?
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So I just get super close to his face, which he didn’t like. And I’m like, no. No. No. Damn. No. And the guy’s like, what the fuck?
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And then, like, backed up and then motion, like,
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motion, like, get the fuck through here with AK. Wow. Yeah. So what you just on the spot devised that. Another one I had a I picked up, like, a dirty towel or blanket off the floor, and they took that. Right? But what I learned being out alone, one of the things I learned is, you know, you like you watch the movies and, like, they pull out a wad of cash and they’re like, wink.
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Get me across the border there, friend. You know, these motherfuckers will just shoot you in the face and take everything you got. Don’t whip that shit out. You’re gonna get murdered. They’re just gonna take it all. I mean, they’ll steal bread from a fucking kid. You think they give a fuck about your life?
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You know what I mean? And they just fucking throw you on the side of the road and let you rot. Like, they don’t even care about the smell. Like so, like, yeah. I had to act like a retard through this one, man. They don’t give a fuck, man.
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They
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don’t give a fuck.
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You just figured that out on the spot?
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On the spot. Yeah. So, we get I get in the truck. We do the recon. I, like, had a literally, I had a cigarette bag. I think it’s, like, Kent or some shit. I don’t fucking smoke, but, like, Kent cigarettes. I had a plastic bag with my fucking sat phone. And, anyway, I had to get a camera out, get it under my arm, and I kinda film the house. Right?
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USI’s on, and then I had to get the footage back. So we get to the end of the valley. It’s fucking dark. You know? There’s no way we can get out of the valley before light. So, we stop at this house, and the driver’s like, you know, motion us in. Right?
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It’s the Muslim right of they can’t turn you away. Right? So we go to this house. We’re in the room, bunch of old fucking grumpy men. They don’t fucking like me at all. And the driver and the driver, I guess, goes there and crashes all the time when he’s in the valley. Right?
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So this is normal for him to be here. And then so in that room, they had, like, this boy and they fucking dragged him into another room and you could hear yelling and shit. And it’s just like, what the fuck do you do? I have everything I need to pull off the first successful mission in Afghanistan for the American government. Okay.
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Do I save this kid and compromise my mission or do I just get the fuck out of here and pull this motherfucker off? And the reality is I had to look the other way and I didn’t like it. But so, I took my speed, you know, they give you speed. I took my speed, stayed up, everyone went to bed. They fed me dark opium tea. They tried to put me down.
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That’s why I drank the tea anyway knowing it was spiked, and then I took my speed to kinda counteract it, and then everyone went to bed. I laid there just wide awake. I laid there wide awake, like, I fucking shut an eye. These motherfuckers are gonna cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because that seems like what they like to do.
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And then, finally, the middle of the night, I fucking fucking got my AK. I stuck it in the driver’s face. I drug him out to the truck, like, right before sunup, and we fucking left the valley. But, like, you know, compromise the mission or save the kid. What do you want? What’s it gonna be, man? And then, like, you just see this all over the place.
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So you you were, like, one of the first guys to do these singleton missions. Yeah. Yeah. So when when they set you off to do something like that, like, what’s the protocol? Like, how do they how do they even Good luck? You know what I mean? I don’t know. Like, what what do you say? What do they say to you?
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Well, back then, it was that guy Dalton Fury. Right? The guy who wrote Kilimin Laden was my commander. And, okay. It’s a long story. I wrote I’m writing a book. It’s finished. Maybe someone would wanna publish it, but it’s called The Singleton and it’s about my going out alone.
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But I was like they see I was I was at my base. I was in a soda bath, and we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day. It’s kinda like mortar bait, whatever. And then we had, like, fucking 0 Lickies and Chewies. No fucking candy, no beef jerky, no fucking Pop Tarts, no fucking nothing. Right?
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And we’re just sucking it up and, like, I gotta eat fucking these Afghan motherfuckers cook us food and, like, I’m eating vegetables. I don’t even know what the fuck that vegetable was. I don’t even recognize it as a vegetable. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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I know that’s fucking goat because it tastes horrible, but I don’t know what the fucking I don’t even know what the fuck they cook me. You know what I mean? It’s like anyway, so I go to my boss and I’m like, yo. Hey. I wanna fucking go to the main base, right, and steal pogey from the fucking chow hall. What’s pogey?
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Pogey bait is a term for, like, beef jerky, snacks, candy, cookies, like, any kind of, like, snack food. Right? So and, my boss is like, yeah. If you you schedule the airplanes, you make all the coordinations, you can go. And I was like, fucking bet, man. I fucking scheduled the helicopter.
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Like, motherfuckers, you don’t know how resourceful I can be. You know what I mean? So, I scheduled everything for the next night, and then, like, I I drove my I had a red Toyota truck. I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook. Right? So tight in there. You can’t even get out.
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You gotta just sit there, hope you ain’t gotta piss. They fly me to the main base, fucking land, driving the main base. Like, by this time, like, the army’s, like, taking over where, like, you gotta, like, fucking salute,
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fucking the army base in Afghanistan, like, 2 weeks ago. Like, a fucking SAS guy lost a leg in
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a landmine, you know. But, so I go to the base and then the the commander sees me and and he’s with his sergeant major, another guy, and they’re like, this is our fucking guy right here. So like, hey. What are you doing? And I’m like, about to raid the chow hall. You know? Like, what the fuck does it look like I’m doing?
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You know what I mean? Like, if it’s one thing, I’m honest. Right? So, I was like, yeah. I’m getting pokey for the fucking for our base. Like, what’s up?
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And they’re like, hey. We got a mission for you. And I told them, hey. I’ll do it. Right?
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But, you just gotta tell my ask my boss if it’s alright because I didn’t work for these guys. And they’re like, okay, cool. They’re in my squadron but, like, not my direct boss. Right? So they call my boss.
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My boss says fine and, like, they sit me in this room and they’re like, hey, we want you to go out alone. And I’m like, okay. And they’re like, explain everything to me. We want you to go out alone. Like, do you have any questions?
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And I was like, my my only question was and it wasn’t a question. I looked the commander in the eye, and I said, tell me you’re gonna cover my ass if something goes wrong. And he was like, oh, yeah. We’ll cover you. Like, yo, you coulda gave a fucking better man up with that answer. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I mean?
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He gives this, like, weak answer,
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and I’m just thinking, well, fuck, man. You know what I mean? Now So what were
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they telling you they wanted you to do?
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Go out alone, US eyes on. Get footage of this guy at his house so we could launch. Right? Because the generals back then weren’t in line with Bush’s dead or alive, and they were I believe the Pentagon was a bigger hindrance in the beginning of war than they were fucking than they were worth.
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But, how so? Well, the general at the time that was in charge of us, our task force. Right? And then we’re talking about tier 1. Like, the guy in charge then had, like, 2 rules. Number 1, you can leave the wire if you get USIs on a target. K? Okay.
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And number 2, no one leaves the wire. Well, how the fuck are we gonna do number 1 without if we can’t leave? Figure it out. So the commander I was because I was When you when
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you say leave the wire Yeah. What do you mean exactly?
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Go out hunting for bad guys. Leave your base. You know what I’m saying? Go out and combat.
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Leave your base?
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But you can leave the base. But you gotta get these eyes on to launch a target, so you gotta get your recon guys out there doing reconnaissance because we need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets. Okay. We wanna launch reconnaissance. Yeah. No one leaves a wire.
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It’s kind of
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how it work, man. Right? So, the reason they used me is according to the army, the army at every level is great at accountability. A 100%, we need to know where everyone is at all times. Right? So when I flew to the other base, I was in transit. Right? So they left me in transit for a week.
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So instead of saying I left the wire, I was just in transit because I was in transit anyway to go get pop tarts. Wow. So they lied to everybody, left me, my and I didn’t know this at the time, like like this could have mattered less to me, I learned later, you know, but, they paperwork nutshell ed the general and sent out reconnaissance, and that was me.
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Wow. And then they came back with the eyes on, and the general agreed to launch the mission. And it was a success, and no one asked how the fuck did someone leave the wire because no one cared because we were successful. You know what I mean?
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Wow. So what are you thinking when you’re out there doing this? Like, what what is going through your head
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when you agree to do this? Fuck. Figure it the fuck out. I don’t fucking know. I’m not trying to have anything in my head right now.
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What’s crazy is, like, they just let you figure it out. Yeah. So you have to feel very vulnerable.
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I don’t know. I wouldn’t say vulnerable, Joe, but, I do think this is, like, there’s guys that, like, fucking make it happen. You probably got guys like this. Any task you give a guy, he’s just like, wait. You’re done with that already? Like
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Some people could just make shit happen.
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And then I’m one of those guys. That’s like my one of my better qualities. Make it happen. So, like, fucking go make it happen, motherfucker.
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Go act like a retard when you get pulled over.
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01:37:33
Hey, man. Do what you gotta do, baby. Like, fucking survival of the fittest.
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01:37:38
So the problem is once you do one of these, now you’re the guy that can go do these things.
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01:37:43
Yeah. And I did 100 in Iraq and fucking loved it.
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Christ.
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Yeah. You loved it? Loved it. He loves it. Alone, man.
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I love it?
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01:37:52
Fuck that. Yo. You you okay. Think about this, Joe. And and you do jujitsu when you fight. Right? You wanna depend on yourself or you wanna depend on yourself and people you don’t know what the fuck they’re made of. Who the fuck are you gonna trust? You’re gonna trust yourself. Right? So it wasn’t really a big stretch for me to be alone. You know what I’m saying?
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Yeah. I do, but it’s still a very unusual mindset.
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01:38:19
Yeah. Maybe. I don’t know. And then my my other mindset is like, no matter where I am, no matter what I do, everyone in a 25 yard radius is gonna fucking die just so I can make it home. And if I had to kill everyone in the whole village, goddamn right, everyone in that fucking village would be dead for me come home.
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01:38:38
So, I just figured, yo, fucking be ready to fight at all times. I learned a 100 to 1 lessons learned, leadership lessons, a 100 to 1 being alone versus being a pack of 30 motherfuckers. Right. Like, yo, let us come ram this down your fucking throat and we’ll call it Tuesday. You know what I mean?
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01:38:59
Where when I was alone, like, you gotta make better decisions. You’re a fucking coyote. You’re a ghost. You know, you gotta make ghost decisions. The fucking, you know, the bravado, like, we’re gonna kill everybody. The fuck we are. We’re not gonna fire a shot. Why?
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01:39:13
Because, like, you you fire one shot as a singleton, you better be ready to kill everybody because gunshots is a fucking dinner bell for psychos. You know what I mean? So are you ready? You know what I mean? And the reality is is, like, I had to think of other shit, do other shit, how to act like a retard, you know?
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And then I had to get along with people. I had to had to do so much shit that is out of, like, even the commando norm as a singleton, you know.
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I I think about no one that can really teach you this.
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01:39:43
Fuck. I mean, no. Like,
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how can you teach a guy how to breach an airplane?
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01:39:50
Right.
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How the fuck are you gonna teach a guy to act like a retard if you get pulled over? How are you gonna teach a guy to be a singleton and do Right.
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01:39:55
A lot of these messes. Well, we used to tell guys, and I used to tell my guys all the time, and this is a unit thing, but, like, I could train a monkey to shoot. I’m training you to think. I don’t care about the shooting because if you’re thinking right, the shooting will be easy. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. But, yeah, man.
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I’ll tell you, I thought about writing a leadership book, calling it the singleton and just kinda the lessons I learned. You know? Like, so few guys have done that. You know? Like, I I see all these, like, you know, I don’t know. I don’t look at the Internet. I don’t watch the news.
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I don’t do any of that. I don’t do social media. I have it. I don’t fucking look at it. I don’t have it on my phone.
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01:40:34
It’s not worth my sanity. So I’m like a fucking time capsule for fucking the 2000. You know what I mean? And, like, I never understood some of these other, like, veteran stories. You know? I never I never kinda, like, the lone survivor.
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01:40:52
I never understood the full story because I went out alone all the time. That shit didn’t happen to me, motherfucking 7 Taliban on my ass. You wanna see 7 fucking bodies super quick? You know what I’m saying? Bring them boys up here. You know?
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01:41:04
So I never really fucking understood some of these other stories because I had such a different experience. I can’t fathom if I was with 5 you know, the times I was with 5 guys. You know how many peep I mean, I was with 3 guys. You know how many people we killed in the battle of Tora Bora? Fucking 100. I just stopped counting on my first day.
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01:41:23
Like so having said that, like, I don’t understand some of these stories because I had the experience I had. You know what I’m saying?
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It’s a very unusual experience. So how many guys were singletons?
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01:41:36
Fuck. I don’t know any. You don’t know any? I mean, a couple of my buddies, but, like, not like me.
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01:41:42
Wow.
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Yeah. And then once I did it, it was kind of my lot in life.
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01:41:46
How many pages is this book that you wrote?
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01:41:49
I don’t know. Like, fucking 20 chapters. I wrote a big book.
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01:41:52
It seems like it’d have to be
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01:41:53
I wrote a book. Yeah. 500 pages.
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01:41:55
Yeah. So I can’t wait to read that book.
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01:41:57
Shameless plug if you know
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anybody who
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buys them.
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Someone needs to buy that book 100%. Yeah. Yeah. We’ll get that book sold.
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01:42:03
Alright. We’ll
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get that book sold.
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So 100%. So that leads me I
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need to read that book right now. I’ll give it to you.
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01:42:10
I’ll get I’ll text it to you.
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01:42:11
Oh, okay. I’ll text it
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01:42:12
to you today for real.
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I’ll text it to you.
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01:42:14
I’m done with it.
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Okay.
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01:42:15
No. I think it’s as good as I could get it, and I’m just a reg I’m in Chicago Public School System. Fuck. I didn’t even take a book home because if the school loses the books, they can’t teach. So it was, like, half half my class was in the book and the other half was homework, and he left the books in class.
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01:42:31
So, like, I didn’t have homework, you know.
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It’s probably better because you’re gonna get it, like Yeah. From you Yeah. With no gloss. Yeah. No bullshit.
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01:42:41
But which leads me to Iraq where I did 100 of solo missions. I was a taxi driver. I had, like, I don’t know, fucking 30, 50 vehicles in Iran.
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01:42:51
So once they’ve realized you can do this Yeah. Like, oh, call McPhee.
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01:42:55
Yeah. Well, no. It’s just kind of my thing. Like, you don’t have to call me.
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Just tell me what you need.
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01:43:00
Wow. Yeah. I mean, my bosses knew how to use me like that.
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01:43:03
So you started enjoying the craziness of it?
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01:43:07
I love being alone.
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Why did you love it so much?
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01:43:12
I don’t know. I hate to say this, but, like, guys like me are generally fucking assholes. Like, you’ve met a few guys like me and they’re like, yeah. I was afraid someone would get away. Like, shut the fuck up, man. Goddamn it. You know what I mean? Like, so not really a fan of a lot of, like, alpha males. They can be dicks at times. Mhmm. So, like, yeah.
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01:43:35
Kinda set me down my down my path as I just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing. You know what I mean?
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01:43:41
Right. So you just had you had your mission Mhmm. And you enjoyed the fact that it was all up to you.
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01:43:47
I didn’t have to fuck with no one else. It’s on my timeline fucking and I will make this happen. Like, I will make shit happen that other people can’t. I don’t know how. I don’t know why, but I just will. That is such a wild experience.
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Like, your experience in war must be so different than everybody else’s just because of that.
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Yeah. So having said that, we’re talking about Iraq. I brought some show and tell items. What’d you bring? I brought something I have never fucking shown before.
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What do you got?
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And I believe it’s fucking evil. You wanna see it? I do.
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What is it? I got
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I got to get it out of my box.
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Oh, you got a box?
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I brought a box.
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I’m kind of scared. What’s that?
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Hey. Can you Google Saddam Hussein Mouser? This is his hat? Yeah. Jesus. It’s the one where he shoots the mowser in the air at the fucking parade grounds. I was given that to buy his tailor. Wow. Yeah. That one. The liner fell out. The liners in here. Look.
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It’s, you can see what kind of hat it is. The glue fell out of the liner, but look. Woah. That’s fucking crazy. I rolled up his tailor and all his butlers. Anybody who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick. I fucking rolled them motherfuckers up. Wow.
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Saddam was captured 9 days after I left. I had to leave for Christmas.
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This is crazy. This was on his head. Now it’s here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
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Yeah. But, it’s a Piccadilly fox fur hat. I also have a sweater. I took a I had all his clothes, like, man, fuck. I had everything that guy had. But, yeah. He’s Taylor. Okay. So Saddam’s inner circle. Right? When when when I was working Saddam, we were working a Saddam piece. Right?
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Some fucking legendary hits that no one’s ever fucking talked about. Like, we did the cleverest shit fucking during Saddam. And I will tell you this, as I learned on my fucking Singleton mission in Afghanistan, the first one, we need to be a lot fucking smarter if we wanna crush these motherfuckers.
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And I’m not talking like, we captured 2 bad guys. I’m talking we go in, kill everyone needs to be killed, capture everyone that needs to be captured, and fucking do this right. Right? So, yeah, with the Saddam piece, right, his tailor and his butlers and Saddam’s inner circle was all Christians. Fucking every one of them was a Christian.
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And Saddam believed that Christians, if they martyr themselves, go to hell. Muslims martyr themselves, you go to heaven. Right. So he surrounded himself with fucking Christians. Ah.
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So his tailor, his butlers, his chihuahuas, all those guys, they’re fucking washing his ass, feeding this motherfucker. We’re all Christians. And it’s why Christians flourished in Iraq, which they’re, you know, like, I I’d like to I’d hope all these guys are still alive, but the reality is is, like, ISIS probably fucking got rid of them after Saddam was gone.
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You know? Yeah. ISIS killed so many fucking Christians, you know what I’m saying?
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Yeah.
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But they were all Christians. And, so his, I, it started with the ex ambassador, Excuse me. To the US. And then, I met the tailor and started talking to the tailor. And then one day he brought this hat and he brought some clothes. And I was like, what was this? And he was like, you know, he told me this is the one where he shot the Mauser, and he had some clothes.
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I grabbed a sweater. I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve. And then, hey, when I
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was when I was fatter, it’s like it’s like a fucking halter top. My belly’s my belly fat’s hanging out. You know, my family’s like, I don’t know. I think
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I’m nuts, but, I normally wear that sweater on Christmas. I forgot to bring it or I had to brought it.
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But Wow.
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Yeah. Now that I lost weight, I think I’m actually Saddam’s size. You know what I’m saying? It’s spooky. You know what I’m saying? I end up being the same I could’ve wore all those clothes.
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You know what I
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mean? Wow. But, yeah. They were Christians. Right? And, we rolled up the tailor. The tailor gave up a butler. Like, I was me and another guy were at the tailor’s house. Right? And we were gonna snatch this guy. Right? This butler.
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And the butler is the guy who used to wash Saddam. Like, he bathes Saddam every fucking day.
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So Saddam had someone bathe him? Yeah. He didn’t bathe himself?
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No. Crazy. Right? Yeah. Weird. But he had a lot of lot of but they were all Christians. And they were all honestly, they were all fucking nice people, to be fair. Like, all the Christians were great people. Anyway, Yeah. So, I’m in the house with another guy and the guy’s early. So we fucking shoot up on the roof. The guy comes. I call my guys.
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They’re they’re not really in place yet. So, he comes, he leaves. He only stays a minute and he’s gone. You know what I mean? And these I think all these inner circle Saddam folks know they were valuable to us and and, like, they realized they were gonna get snatched at some time, so he was like, he was out.
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Right?
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I called my guys. Right? And then, literally, my guys were like 2 blocks away. As he was leaving, he ran into their Humvee. He ran into my guys. And they’re like, hey. This guy just ran into us in, like, this vehicle. I’m like, that’s the dude. He got in an accident with you?
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He ran into our guys in a Humvee. He was trying to drive away and, like, crashed in the, like, the guys
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that were gonna snatch him. Wow. Yeah. I’ll tell you another Saddam story. This is this is my one of my favorites. Saddam had, like, regular pieces of ass and, like, his favorite piece of ass was this butter face lady. I don’t know what she did for him, but she wasn’t a looker. You know what I mean? So, like, look and feel are different things.
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Saddam knew what felt right to him, obviously. And she was married, and we wanted to get to her. I mean, maybe Saddam’s favorite sex partner wouldn’t know where he is. Right? Like, so we have the tailor. The tailor knows who he is.
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So we have the tailor kind of invite him to the tailor stop shop. This tailor had a store in downtown Baghdad. So he comes in the store and, I told my guys if he doesn’t come out quick to, I had a couple, I don’t know what they’re called now. Mohawks, I think, is what they call the Iraqi counter terror guys Well, before they were even established, like, the guys were with us, you know?
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So we had a couple of those guys, and, I have them start fighting in front of the store. Right? So, literally, everyone piles on in the street to see these guys fighting. Right? Like, everyone piles out of all the shops, stores, and everyone’s watching these 2 guys fight.
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Literally, the guy we’re looking for, like, walks up to see the fight and his back is to the van door of the guys that are gonna snatch him. Wow. So I call them, like, yo, you see that tall guy? That’s our guy. Fucking snatch him. And no shit. Van door. Van door fucking open.
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Nobody even knew where the fucking guy went. The tailor later was like, where did he go? Did you take who took him? Where did this guy go? Where is this man at? You know what I mean? Like, no one even seen him get snatched. Right?
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That’s such a clever idea. Yeah. Have 2 guys fight in front.
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Yeah. Everybody’s gonna come on a tangent. My boss was like, who are those guys fighting? I was like, it’s our boys. And he was like, wait. Did you do that? And I was like, I didn’t wanna be there for, like, 6 hours. Like, you know
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what I mean? Like, how do
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we speed this up? We got shit to do today. Like, you know what I mean? That’s my efficiency. It’s my thing. Like
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That’s genius.
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Yeah. That’s one of the and we did so much. Hey. Alright. I’ll tell you another one. My first Saddam hit, I worked, a lot of intel side for Saddam, me and a couple other guys. So we worked somewhere not with our squadron and we worked with another government agency. Makes sense? Yeah. So we get to call, the squadron’s doing a hit.
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There’s a Saddam sighting. Right? So this is like the beginning, like, 2003 Iraq. We were fucking Ken blocking it with fucking maps. Like, hit the 3rd traffic circle.
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Go out on the 9 o’clock. Like, literally, I get us to fucking Ken Block and fucking navigating through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking street map. I get us to the fucking Target. Right? Humvee’s already there. The rest of the guys are already there. Rangers got the blocking positions all set up.
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So we get there. We raid the house. Right? We get all these guys and then finally, there was, like, no fucking shit, Joe. There was, like, I don’t know, 15 motherfuckers. It was like a Saddam look alike fucking contest. They all had the mustache. There’s, like, short fat sedames.
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There’s, like, tall skinny sedames. So it’s like body doubles. Well, I don’t know if it was body doubles.
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It just all looked like
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Yeah. Because, like, the Saddam look was popular, the mustache. And
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Yeah. I mean, not
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that they all look the same, but they kinda all look the same, you know, from my perspective at the time. Right? So, like, it was like, well, no wonder someone called this in. It’s fucking like they all look like Saddam. You know what I mean? Like Right. And then on the outside, like, fuck, man. The rangers shot up these vehicles at the blocking position. I have my squad my my sergeant major was like, hey.
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Go fucking clean up the bodies. And I’m like, why the fuck am I on brains detail? I didn’t fucking shoot nobody today. And he’s like, you’re the only one with a regular pickup truck that could haul the bodies. And I’m like, fucker. Already thought it through.
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This is why this guy’s the boss. You know what I mean? Like and then, lesson learned that day is, you know, like, in Iraq, you just drink water out of bottles and then throw them in your truck. Man, we were loading bodies in. There’s fucking a 100 water bottles in the back of the bed.
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Someone just come by the bed of the truck and
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throw an empty water bottle in, like, at the house or whatever. Right? And, like, I’m throwing bodies and fucking shit in the back of
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my truck and there’s, like, bloody water bottles squirting everywhere. It’s a fucking mess, man. So, I learned that day, like, my vehicles are always clean. Always fucking clean, man, from that day on. But, like, it’s a fucking mess. And then, man, they shot up this fucking this old man, this old lady.
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Like, they ran the checkpoint. They’re about they’re about to hit the Humvee with the Rangers. So the kid shot at the driver, but, like, the kids didn’t the Rangers back then didn’t know as much as Rangers know now. You know what I’m saying? And the kid, like, shot the warning shots at the driver, but he hit the brakes. And the fucking vehicle will never stop if you shoot the brakes.
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If I don’t know if you know that. But, and it fucking hit the Humvee at, like, fucking 40 miles an hour, broke the transmission. I had to clean up the bodies, had to set up an h l z, take them later to the h l z. You know what I mean? And then it was like my it’s my first Saddam raid in Iraq, and it was my first, experience in Iraq with the rangers.
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And, like, that day, I was fucking fed up with them, you know. Like, there’s some young, fucking 18 year old kid medic in the back of the truck. And, like, I’m like, hey, fucking give these people morphine. He’s like, I’m not supposed to give the enemy morphine, sergeant. You know what I mean?
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I’m like, yo, does anyone look like a fucking enemy to you here? Anyone fighting you in the back of the truck? Then there is no fucking enemies here, bud. Fucking give these people some drugs so, like, at least we ain’t gotta fucking hear them moan and shit. You know what I mean?
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And, like, the kid, like, I had to force him to, like, fucking be humane. You know what I mean? Wow. Because he was just trying to follow orders. Later later, they’d be so much better. Right? But beginning of the war, like, my first that was my first Saddam hit.
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You know what I mean?
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And I was just thinking, fucking this is gonna be awesome. And that kid was shooting down the street with the 50 cal. Like, imagine just the fucking city street in Austin. Right? And you’re parked in the middle of the road, and you just shoot with a 50 cow off the top of a Humvee, you know, like, 8 feet off the ground.
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Do those tracer rounds would skip down the road. It was breaking glass, fucking going through cars, fucking, you know, 500 yards down the road. Like, people scattered. Like, it’s amazing. You know? Wow. Fifty cals. Amazing.
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You know what I mean? And then
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I had a fucking pickup guts. But
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Well, this is the fucked up thing about it is, like, you you went through all this chaos. You’re uniquely qualified for chaos for some strange reason.
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Love. Chaos is my jam, man. As soon as this gets confusing, yo, I got this. You know what I mean? But why is that? I don’t fucking know. Seems to be what I do best. Yeah. I think so.
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Is that something that, like, you accumulated this mindset over time? Or did you just always have it?
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I think it was beaten to me. Really? Yeah. Like, think about it. When I was a kid, the house was chaotic. Yeah. You know what I mean? You learn the you learn the chaos. Right.
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And then it just you’re designed for that. Bring glass in
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case of war. Yeah. Yeah.
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I guess so. I don’t know.
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I think I’m a normal guy, but, like, people tell me I’m not. Not normal.
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Yeah. I mean, I understand you. I understand you. Yeah. It’s not normal, but I understand you.
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Yeah. I mean, like, look. I just feel like, okay. We’re all gonna die. I’m not gonna let it ruin my day. I’ve been through bad shit. I’m not the fucking victim. I’ve done bad shit. I’m not the fucking bad guy. You know what I’m saying? Like, and then having said that, it’s like, I don’t know, man.
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I I think it affects everybody differently, but I think, you know, before I retired, I was burned out. I didn’t know I was burned out. I was an asshole every day. Fucking I was you know, you’d I mean, I just fucking guys would come into my office. What do you want? Yeah. Too slow.
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Get the fuck out. When you know what you want, come back. We gotta be like, okay. Sorry for that. Sure.
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Well, you were operating at 10. Always. Always.
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Yeah. And then I learned, man, like, I was having a lot. I fucking hated my life. I was miserable. I hated being a sergeant major. I hated being army management is what I called it. I’m not a leader. I’m not a follower. I’m not a soldier. I’m fucking army management and that shit is fucking dry fucking toast. You know what I’m saying? Yeah.
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And I just got out of fucking Baghdad in 06 fucking killing people. Like, 06 was a great year, you know. And then I gotta sit on the fucking staff and do this shit, like, it’s just fucking killing me, Joe. And then so, like, I wasn’t a very good sarmader. So I realized one day, like, man, I think I used to be funny. Like, you know, like, when I was a kid, like, I’d catch that beating.
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If could say that one fucking smart ass comment to you, I might get beat more, but I fucking said my piece. You know what I mean? Even as a little kid, I’ll take the beating to fucking call you an asshole. Right. So, like, I kinda, maybe had that mindset going into it or something.
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You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, but, yeah, man. I I just think, like, I think a lot of it just goes back to my childhood and being able to manage the chaos. One minute we’re fighting, the next minute, you know, someone’s at the front door. Like, go answer.
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The crazy thing about it is, like, if you are you’re running a you’re running any branch of the military and you’re asking a lot of people to find someone like you that you can find someone who doesn’t just accept this but thrives on it. That’s like, try recreating that in a lab. Fuck. You know what I’m saying? I don’t know. I don’t know.
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How do you
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how do you make that? You can’t. I don’t know. I’ve only seen, like, I don’t know. In my experience of all the guys I know and all the combat I’ve seen, I’d say there’s, like, just I mean, you know, we’re not we’re not the common guys. How many guys? Maybe a dozen in my life.
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You guys on
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a group chat? Fuck no. Fuck no. You don’t talk to nobody. You know what I mean? You’ll never know who they are. They ain’t fucking talking to you, me, fucking nobody. You know
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what I
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mean? And some, you know, of the 2 you know, I maybe know a dozen of those guys, 8 probably still work for the dark side of the government as old men, wherever that is. Yeah. And the other guys are, like, raising families and don’t want you fucking with them.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? They don’t do shit like this. Yeah. Guys like me don’t do shit like this.
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But the thing about it is if you didn’t talk about it, people wouldn’t know.
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Right.
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Like, I think it’s great that you talk about it. I think it’s important. Think people need to I mean, people need to you know, we’re trying to, like, fill in an understanding of the world. And until you’ve talked to someone who’s experienced a part of the world in a way in a way that no one else has.
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You don’t know that that’s a thing. Right. Like, the fact that you can come and talk about this is a very good thing for everybody.
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Thank you.
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Because people will be able to see, like, okay. Like, this is this is super complicated. Like, this the whole thing was super complicated. And to have a guy that could talk about navigating probably the most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing and to actually thrive in it is very strange.
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Thank you. That’s I still think I’m normal, Joe. I think I’m a regular guy.
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So You’re definitely not normal, but I under but I like I said, I understand you.
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No. Thanks, man.
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I get it.
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But, yeah, man. And look, I got some more items. You wanna see something else I’ve never showed off? So Yeah. I talk about stories in some of my videos about being a taxi driver. I also, had another vehicle that was, an Uday Koussay secret police vehicle. So when I drive this vehicle downtown, like, the fucking sea would part. The road could be packed. And I’m driving my vehicle and people just move.
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What kind of vehicle was
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it? It was like a Maxima, a Nissan Maxima, but it’s what the Uday secret police drove. You know what I’m saying? And then they carried these, and I’ll show you. Check this out.
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Well,
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so the the lion is the Babylon lion, and that’s the the symbol of the Republican guard. But I used to carry that as a taxi driver. And when I get out of the taxi, people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away. Wow. And that’s a Republican that’s what the Republican guard rock.
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Those silver guns. I say it’s a pearl handle, but it’s like plastic.
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Yeah. It’s plastic.
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Yeah. There’s nothing fancy about it.
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But specific to them. Yeah. Wow. Let’s see on there.
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Yeah. I had a guy make it for me.
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Elk Ribble 2 handle
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Yeah. Bozeman, Montana. There’s only so many guys that’ll do AKs. Like, you
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know, like Right. You know what I mean? You you wanna,
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you want, like, a silver AK? What are you, the cartel? No. Get the fuck out of here. You’re not serious about guns. You know how many fucking nose I had to collect up? They’re like anyway, but, that’s my Republican guard. That’s my taxi driver gun.
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So you had that made specifically because you knew that they carried that?
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No. I captured that on the battlefield and carried it in Iraq.
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So that is what but why does it say Bozeman, Montana?
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Because, well, because okay. So if you bring one home, you get fired.
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Okay.
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But what I did what I did is I took the handguard and the pistol grip, and then I had a guy make a copy of what I had.
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Okay. Yeah. Okay.
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So it’s it’s I mean, it’s legal and everything.
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But So so the handguard and the pistol grip is from the original gun.
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Right. But that’s exactly what the original gun looked like. Because I didn’t want look. When you’re in the defo, like, you wanna get fired for bringing back an AK? Right. Fucking you know what I mean? Like, dumb. Like Right. You know what I mean? Like Right. It’s not worth the risk. Right? But, like, it’s like, hey.
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Can I bring this handguard back? Like, the fuck you want that garbage for? That’s a yes. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. And then, it took me a while to get, but, yeah, that guy built it for me. Wow. Just got it. Kinda matches the hat. Everybody I know likes to take a picture with that and the hat. So it’s kinda popular. But, yeah, the hat’s been in Texas here for a very long time. Been stored in Texas. Got it documented about as much as possible as I can. Some fucking nightmares in Atlanta. Hey. You know anybody that would might want it?
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Well, you’re selling it? Yeah.
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I bet someone would want that.
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Yeah. I don’t I don’t want it. Yeah. I don’t want it.
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In my house.
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No. Fuck no, Joe. Why do you think I keep it in a black fucking box, man? Like, Yeah. I don’t want it. But I know there is people out there that would treat it better than me, like, I
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mean, I crammed it in a box. Yeah. Well
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And the the guy that stored it for me put it in glass.
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You know
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what I mean? Like, he kinda knew what he was doing. Actually, I had it stuffed in a bag.
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You know what that would be good for? Zach Bagan’s Haunted Museum
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in Vegas. Have you ever been Zach?
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No? I hear
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that place is fucking creepy. It’s creepy. My brother said it was fucking creepy. Creepy. And my brother likes creepy shit, and he was freaked out.
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Oh, he’s got everything in that place. Kevorkian’s van where he killed all people.
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He’s got the Camaro from fucking the Waco. What’s Quresh?
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Does he?
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And, like, the serial I
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don’t think so.
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I thought he bought the Camaro from Quresh. You were gonna
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That’s the original number, like, I am God or something? Was it wasn’t it the serial number?
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It’s a 68 Camaro, and it was for sale. And I came that close to pulling the trigger on it. But I was like, I don’t want that fucking bad juju in my life. That’s it. 68 Camaro from Deadly Siege, Zach Beggins. Oh. Oh, he does that.
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So he bought it. So Zach bought it.
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Yeah. He’s the one selling it, I think.
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Oh, he’s selling it now. So he got it. It was for sale. 23. This is from a year No. This it was for sale quite a while ago, and I was gonna buy it. I thought somebody somebody emailed me and told me that they know I love old muscle cars and they said Koresh’s Camaro is for sale.
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I was like, oh, and I went like this. Let me buy it. Then I was like, no. The fuck am I gonna do with this?
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Yeah. Yeah. I’d rather buy one that has no history.
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Yeah. I have a 69. Yeah. I love them. I I love old muscle cars, so I was thinking about it. But I was like, no. No. No. No. No. No. You don’t want that in your life. You don’t want that.
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I had a 67 Camaro when I was a kid.
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Look at the title. David Koresh, Waco, Texas.
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Jesus Christ. Does the serial number say I am God or something?
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No. It seems normal. Look at the VIN number. It’s normal. It’s a
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normal VIN number.
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Fucking crazy asshole. Yeah. That guy, I when, you know, you went to the mothership last night? Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna buy another building before that that was run by a cult. And they moved out here. It was called I forgot what the what was the name? The Bodie tree? Is that what it’s called? Anyway, there’s a documentary on this called Holy Hell. So this guy this guy, he was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood.
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And, he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. So this fucking guy
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He got a lot of ass.
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So what the Bodie field. That’s it. Thank you. So, Waco goes off. Right? And then the Cult Awareness Network starts investigating him, and he’s running this cult in West Hollywood. So he escapes in the middle of the night and drives out to Texas, moves to Austin, tells everybody come here, and they all move out to Austin and then he has them build this place.
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It’s called the One World Theater. And all the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody. One guy sends out a mass email, say, hey. This guy’s been hypnotizing me and butt fucking me for the last 10 years, and everybody’s like, me too.
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So then they all find out that he’s fucking everybody, this guy. So they all leave. The cult falls apart. The building’s for sale. So I swoop in.
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When I move here, the building’s for sale. Ron White tells me about the building being for sale. He’s like, this building’s fucking awesome. I performed there. You should get you should buy it. So Ron White’s my hero. So I’m like, I’ll buy it. Fuck it. Yeah.
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You know, I need a we’re gonna open up a comedy club. Let’s open it up in this place. All sorts of problems with the building, the code, this, that, lot of environmental, lot of shit. So I get out of it. But I bought the building before I watched the documentary. So I watched the documentary and I’m like, oh, no. Same thing.
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It’s like these fucking people, they all the lives lost. They lived 20 years. These poor people wasted 20 years of their life following this fucking asshole and he’s got this building. But the reason why he bought the building was because of Waco. So wake when Waco pops off, they they were like, oh, jeez. These cults are fucking dangerous. So the Cult Awareness Network starts going after everybody.
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So this guy moves here and changes his name. So he goes, like, back then, you could kinda change no Internet. Do that. You kinda change your name and know, oh, it’s a different guy. And so he builds he has his whole all his followers build him this theater.
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So for a brief period of time, I was under contract for that theater.
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Did you go in that building?
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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Was it creepy in there?
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It was a little weird. This guy would like he had this theater this beautiful theater. He had it built so he could dance in front of his followers, so he could perform in front of his followers. He was a weird cat. He was like a really handsome guy when he was younger. But then as he got older, he started getting plastic surgery. He got looked real weird.
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And he would, like, be thinking about getting something done, so he’d force one of his followers to go get it done. So they’d get it done, they’d come back
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with a fucking cheek sling, and
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they’re like, I kinda like that. And then he would go and get the the surgery done. At the end of it the end of the documentary, he looks really fucking weird because he’s got Botox and Fuck. She getting all weird shit to his face. Yeah. But the feeling in the building was just like like of loss. That’s what it felt like loss. Loss. Just just, oh, no. Yeah.
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You know, like like, you don’t wanna buy a house from some people that they went bankrupt and they lost everything and family fell apart, then you’re in the house, like, oh, this this house feels like sadness.
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Yeah.
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That’s I felt like we could burn some sage and fucking party in there for a few days. We’ll clean it up.
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Get some good energy in.
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I’m glad. I’m glad that that didn’t happen.
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Yeah. Why even go through that?
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Yeah. Well, it was kinda funny at first. I thought it was funny until I you know, a cult owned it. Oh, this is funny. And then my buddy, Adam, called me up because, hey, you watched a documentary on that cult? I was like, oh, no.
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There’s a documentary.
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That’s never good. Yeah. They don’t write doc make documentaries about the good cults. No. And it was a fucking it was horrible. At the end of the documentary, like, you’re tearing up. You’re like, oh, these poor fucking people. Because there’s so many they some people are just gullible and they they’re not bad people. They just want someone better than them to tell them how to live life.
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Yeah. That’s all it is.
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They need something. Yeah. They need someone.
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They’re missing something, whatever it is, something went wrong, and they’re willing to believe a lot of really ridiculous shit. And then 20 years later, they realized they wasted their life.
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People do a lot of weird shit, call it religion.
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Mhmm. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And that was this place. Yeah. But that was because of Waco. So this this guy built this thing.
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Yeah. Damn. The Waco thing’s fucked.
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You ever watched the the raid?
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I know. Yeah. I mean, the raid kinda, like, we got the briefings back in the day. Like, you know, the raid was a couple years old, but Yeah. I didn’t know about the raid.
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It was very fucked. I mean, they just cooked those people.
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Yeah. They burned it down. Oh, yeah. There’s a
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if I could see the tanks, like, shooting fire into the buildings. And I don’t know what happened. Caught fire.
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Yeah. Fire.
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It was back in the nineties when you could kinda get away with something like that, and people didn’t really know.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like, well, we didn’t know it would burn. Well, it is made of wood. Like, yeah, but I mean
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And we shot fire at it. Yeah. I don’t know what happened. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s crazy. Alright. You ready? I got some other stuff.
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What else you got? What else you got? So check this out. I got
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I got a swag bag for you. Okay. I got a bunch of stuff, I make that I do. Right? So I just kinda wanna I like
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to do this. Right? Look, I got you the SOB hat. This is the best hat,
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we sell right here. It’s the one I wear this on the range every day. Okay. I got you same t shirt as me. Team SOB shirt. Right? Well, welcome to the team, Joe.
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Thank you.
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We’re glad to have you. One of my second favorite shirt of all times is this, and I wear this every day when I elk hunt. Do you really?
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Yeah. Oh, wait. Oh, no. This is the
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wrong one. I got a shirt. I I sell these shirts. They’re called slaughter things, and it’s all I wear in elk camp. You know what I mean? But, look, we got you
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a shut up hippie shirt.
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I sell a ton of these. Like, I wear these What
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are they? Are they knives?
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They’re bullets. Bullets. They’re bullets.
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Got you a shut up hippie shirt.
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I when I go to California, teach California classes, I I wear a shut up hippie shirt all the time. And then tons of guys buy them. I had a guy, he comes to my classes. He’s a younger kid. He’s tall. Got a young family. Right?
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They go to, I think, Asheville, North Carolina and they’re eating at, like, some destination. Like, you gotta go eat here and it’s a bus. So he’s a big guy. Right? And he’s in this, like, school bus and that’s where you gotta order is in this old school bus.
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So he said, like, my shoulders are almost touching the ceiling and he had to put his head down and he had his shut up hippie shirt on behind him. And some some hippie behind him was like, better be careful wearing that shirt. You’ll get your ass kicked around here. Right?
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And he and he says he looks back and he pulled up his shirt and he said, better make it a gunfight and they shut the fuck up.
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Oh, that’s hilarious.
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Yeah. Well, North Carolina I’m gonna get your ass kicked.
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That’s so funny. By hippies.
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That’s so funny. Okay. That’s the most gentle ass kicking of all time.
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Yeah. Thank you for that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. I got your condom holster. I make these 365. It’s your EDC.
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You, you make these out of leather. Right?
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They’re made out of leather.
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I saw this on Sean’s show.
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Yeah. Nice. Yeah. It’s a it’s all I use. It’s all I wear. It is the most comfortable holster. Here. And there’s all this stuff right here. I’ll give you the bag too also. Oh,
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I got a bag.
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K. So check this out. Here’s another thing I use all the time, the cooling schmogs. So basically
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I saw this too.
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You know what? The you know the schmogs. Right? Yeah. Basically, I made a cooling towel the size of a schmog. Okay. So, like, when I’m on the range, literally, I just dump a bottle of water in my neck. The fucking thing absorbs it.
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What’s it made out of?
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It’s the cooling material, you know, like the cooling towel material. Right? The the problem with most cooling towels is they’re not big enough. So it’s like one layer on your neck and it dries in, like, 2 minutes. This Right. This, you could kinda get double it up, pour water on it.
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It’ll stay cool for
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a while. Because I’ve seen people, they’re they’re making gear and clothes out of, like, this cooling material. What is it? What is it?
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I don’t know. I think it’s like it the way it’s woven to where when the water drains out of it, it cools quick. Right. And it’s materials that cool quicker or feel cool to the touch Yeah. Kinda deal without knowing what it is. I’ve
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heard, like, people talk about clothes that they make out of this. They’re, like, it’s really legit. Like, for whatever reason, it, like, keeps you cooler.
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I would wear t shirts on the range made of that shit every fucking day I’m outside. Yeah? Yeah. Fuck, yeah. Especially in the heat. You know what I mean? Okay. So check it out. I got you a couple slings. I don’t know if you have rifles, but Okay. 100% made in America. Everything on the sling is made.
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There’s a QD on there. I make traditionally QDs in the gun world.
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If somebody wants to buy any of this stuff, where do they get it online?
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Sheriff of Baghdad, Joe.
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Sheriffofbagdad.com? That’s right. Okay.
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That’s right. Okay. Here’s another thing I got you, punchers, punch daggers. Okay. So it’s g 10. I got I got a few of them here.
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Okay. So this doesn’t even go through a metal detector.
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That’s right. There’s, hey, there’s no metal in the sheath. It’s all plastic screws. A cleans up easy. It won’t no DNA. You could clean it in diesel fuel. It’ll wash all the DNA off. Diesel fuel. You ain’t washing anything. The move? Alcohol. Yeah. Diesel fuel’s the move? I think so.
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Just go to the gas station.
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Yeah. Get on the dumpsters. Yeah. You could you could do fucking dish soap, but you can’t permeate the plastic. It’ll come clean. And I sharpen them with, I sharpen them normally with, like, 400 grit sandpaper. Did you really? I just resharpening with sandpaper. Wow. But the reason I made it is I I always wanted something where, like, you I was always wearing my body armor. Right?
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And I wanted to just put the punch dagger right in the center. That way if something happened, I could get it. Right. Boom. And just start fucking punching.
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I mean, the whole problem with knives is you gotta learn how to use a knife. But with a punch dagger, if you could throw a punch Right. You could bury that thing in someone’s neck. You know what I mean? Like, which is what I would tell anyone.
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Jamie’s been looking for one of those for a while, haven’t you, Jamie? Yeah. For a car. One car that’s out of line.
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Yeah. Hey. It’ll clean the DNA off, sand it down, a little alcohol. Okay. Another thing I made, and this is super important, I call these combat bands. It’s a high temperature silicone but it’s a rubber band. The so what here is when, like, when I carry this rifle, I put a sling on it.
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But if I’m in in and out of vehicles, the sling is always just hanging somewhere. Right? So I put the rubber band on the gun and then I just weave the sling underneath the rubber band.
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So if this touches the barrel, it doesn’t melt.
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Right. Right. And then back in the day, I had to use actual rubber bands for parachutes. And it fucking last a day. Like in the heat in Texas, a rubber band will last one day in a car. Well well, that’s only one day. I might I gotta go out every day in my car. Right? So So when I retired, it’s one of the things I wanted the most.
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So I made them the, guys use them to, like, put suppressor covers, hold them on their, you know, on their suppressors.
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You have great videos online, like instructional videos, like how to fight out of your car.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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Yeah. They’re really, like, informative, like Yeah. Like, things I didn’t think I was interested in learning. Then I started watching this. Like, this guy’s fucking thought this shit through.
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It’s all I did, Joe. Like, and I’m look. I’m a simple guy. Let me just show you how I did this. Right? Maybe you come up with a better way. I don’t know. Right? And but I think this is, like, this is the difference between the army and the unit. In the army, they’re like, here’s a gun, kid. Go use it. In the unit, they’re like, let me show you to the nth degree how to use that rifle.
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So when something happens, guess what?
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You know what I’m saying?
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So it’s the difference between showing someone something and teaching someone something, and I think those are different. And I think I think that’s what the unit was good at. Here’s some of my favorite things, the boot kits. Solomon boots made for the military. I’ve been wearing Solomon boots.
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You’ll see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture. I hunted with them this year. Yeah. Yeah. It’s all I wear, Salomon’s. Right?
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Well, if you got the Quests, you know how the laces kinda come?
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Yep. So Like the running shoes do you?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. So I turn
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them into, like, the running shoes. Nice. Yeah. We sell a ton of those. Okay.
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And what do you do with the extra lace?
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Cut it off.
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I cut I
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cut Cut it off. I I loosen the boot where I get my foot out,
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and I cut the excess off and put the end on. Ah.
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So so I don’t have, like, 3 feet of laces. I only have, like, 8 or 10 inches.
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You know
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what I mean?
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6 inches,
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whatever it is.
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Okay.
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These are these are some of my best things. This is a I would call it a scribe tool, right, in the fact that that it’s a carpenter pencil. Makes sense?
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Uh-huh.
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You know a carpenter pencil?
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Sure.
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But the middle is g 10. Same thing as the punch knife. So it’s for stabbing. A lot of guys carry them, go through metal detectors. A lot of guys carry them airports like these things. I get pictures of these things everywhere. Yeah. I made it fist sized so you could punch with it or kinda get a good stab with it, if you wanted. You know what I mean?
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Something I always wanted.
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Smart. Yeah. Yeah. I have a pencil like that Yeah. Someone gave me.
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Yep. Yep. Okay. So check this out. You’ll, here’s a bunch of stickers we make. Some of the things that happen on the range, blind guys, I always tell them they can’t see shit. You know how, like, when you shoot and guys, like, really push their butt backwards? I call that the prison wallet. You know what I mean?
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And be like, I mean, it’s showing me your prison wallet. You know what I mean? So there’s a lot of stickers that are, like, funny shit. I tell guys all the time, like, a guy will be shooting good all day long. At the end of the day, he’ll fuck something up, and I’ll just come up.
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All I gotta do is whisper to a guy and be like, sucks the suck, don’t it? And the guy will be like, shut up. You know what I mean? So, all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range. Right?
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And then look, this is the premise of the NRA show we talked about earlier is I made a little card. The gun world is sketchy information at best, generally speaking, of where your bullets go and why. Like, it’s fucking magic.
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It’s about eye dominance.
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Yeah. One side’s eye dominance. The other one is how to fix yourself, where the bullets go and why. Mhmm. Makes sense? Yeah. So look at this edge
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grip. Well, how you’re gonna
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work there? So look this edge
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Tension on the left hand.
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Yep. And then, like, you use this edge. So if your group is generally tall, right Uh-huh. You got stance issues. And then as you see your group, whatever angle it’s on, the arrows point to it and tell you how to fix
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it. Interesting.
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Now backside eye dominance. This is where the gun world fucks up. And I’ll tell you this. The gun world talks about 2 things for eyes. Primary hand, primary eye. Right handed, right eye dominant. Right. They talk about being cross eye dominant, right handed, left eye dominant. Right?
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Right.
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Okay. Here’s how the vision I think really works. Okay. Being primary hand, primary eye is the guy who makes all the rules in shooting. You should open your eyes. You should do this. Right? He makes all the rules, but the reality is is his vision is his right eye on a scale of 1 to 10.
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He’ll tell you borderline 11 because it’s that fucking good. You know what I mean? Borderline 11 in the good eye. Ask him the vision in his other eye and he’s gonna tell you hard 8. It’s not really so good. Mhmm.
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This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open. Makes sense? Yes. Okay. Now these are the same thing.
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It whether your primary hand, primary eye, or cross eye dominant, it’s the same thing. You have a strong eye and a weak eye and the strong eye takes over. Doesn’t fucking matter. Strong eye takes over. Right. Fucking easy for you. Okay. This is 1 out of 10. The other 9 are what I call eye neutral. Right?
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They don’t have a dominant eye and either eye could take over at any time because either eye on a pistol could see the sights at any time. Right. And this is where people get fucked up.
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That makes sense with archery too. 100%.
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It’s the same.
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Don’t like to keep both eyes open. I’ve tried it.
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Yeah. Well, that’s because you’re what I would call eye neutral. Say what I’m saying? And then I would I would also say this, if you have a gray hair on your head, you’re closer to being eye neutral than any eye dominant any fucking thing because of life. Right? And and the reason I would tell you that is because the part of the brain that works the eyes is like the part of the brain that works the ears.
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It’s the part of the brain that works the legs and the arms. Right? They work all these things on your subconscious, I think, work better together and are stronger together. What do I mean by that? You know, you know, when it comes to leg days, dudes are like, dude man, bro, on a squat 500 on leg day. Okay.
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Does that mean you can do £250 with one leg? No. You can’t probably. Right? Because the legs are stronger together than they are independently.
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Right.
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And this is a function of the the the deep part of your brain, the fast part of your brain. Right? So having said that, you can’t choose an ear, can you? Right. The only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid, which has nothing to do with vision or dominance. See what I’m saying?
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That makes sense. That I’ve never heard anybody say that before, but now that you’re saying it
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Yeah.
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I’m like, okay. Yeah.
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So if you look at the card, right, if you’re like right handed, right eye dominant, you should be hitting in the middle of the circle there. Right? But if your left eye takes over, look where the rounds will come. And it’ll always be, look, it’ll always be eye distance apart on your target.
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So people that have eye issues, they don’t shoot 1 group. They shoot 2 groups, 1 for each eye, and the gun goes left eye, right eye, left eye, right eye.
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Evan was telling me that he, learned to practice left handed a lot. Yeah. And he practices things even though he’s right hand dominant where he’s like Yeah. Help it helped the right side to practice with the left side. Yeah. Do you subscribe to that?
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Yes. I do. And I’ll tell you why. Before I retired from the army, I tore my bicep out of my out of my left arm. I’m left handed. So I went and turned in all my left handed holsters and got right handed holsters, and I was like, I’m gonna train myself to be right handed from here forward because the VA said I’d never use my left hand again.
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So I
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was like, okay. Fuck you guys. I’ll be a righty. You can’t slow me down. You know what I mean? Right. And then I started training as a righty. Took me about 2 weeks. I was fucked up. It was tough. You know what I mean? I had to stick with it. Fucking a lot of frustrating days.
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And after about 2 weeks, my brain just transferred all that skill to the right hand. And I just fucking rocked it from then on out. It makes
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sense because you have this mental memory of excellence with one side. You just have to
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Well, think about this. If if you actually knew perfect practice, you could switch that to the other hand. Right. But if you never knew perfect practice, the other hand would get the same garbage.
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Right. That makes sense.
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Yeah. So The
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eye thing completely makes sense, and I’ve never heard anybody say it before. Everybody says you should keep both eyes open. Well, you should, but the
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guy who made that rule has a strong eye and a weak eye, and he can do that. Right. Where you your brain, when I say someone is eye neutral, your brain treats your eyes as equal. What does that mean? Your vision could be shit. It could be great. But the brain says, I got 2 windows. I look out of this one. Yeah. Let me look out of that one.
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And you’ll You’re going back and forth.
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You’ll see the gun move. You’ll see the head move in there. Mhmm. And then most of the time, it just, like, it’s no good. You’re just not seeing it good. Makes sense?
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It does. Are you one of those guys that resist red dots, or do you
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do you I don’t give a shit.
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You know what I mean? But did
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you ever resist it at all? Or do you So
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because iron sights never fail you. They’re always there. Yeah. No batteries.
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I am not a red dot guy. I’m an iron sight guy. However, let me explain myself. The Internet knows me as a red dot hater. But, you know, I’m taking that video and I’m gonna draw one line through that red dot back to your face. And if it don’t point exactly to your eye, you’re shooting and not seeing shit. And every time I show this to somebody, like, so you’re against red dots. No.
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You’re never gonna catch the red dot unless you get better technique. And you get better
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technique with iron sights.
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Well, no. You can have good technique with a red dot also if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it to you, but no one shows it to you. Right? The next thing with the red dot is the red dot is great for guys who don’t see well. Because what happens is the red dot, it becomes in between you, your eye, and the target. Makes sense, essentially. Right? So you’ll be able to see that.
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But what no one tells you is it’s harder to learn, harder to master. So you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it’s not doing anything. To learn? Few reasons. You know, the if you look at pro shooters, high level pro shooters, guys that are, like, fucking insanely fast, winning, you know, national IpC champs, Rob Rob Latham, Dave Savigny, you look at these guys, what you’ll see is, like, they’re so much more efficient than anyone else.
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Right? And they’ll use a way bigger site. Like, I think the winningest site of all time in, like, gun games is, it’s like the Seymour STS, but it’s like more of the size of a beer can than than it is the little tactical sight.
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Right.
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So now when you shrink that thing down to a postage stamp, they put a coating on it so it doesn’t fucking reflect or whatever, but you can’t see through it well. And they curve the glass, which anyone who shoots rifle scopes will tell you fisheye is a fucking real thing. Right.
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But this red dot has all these things going on, and it’s supposed to be better for a guy who don’t see shit.
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That’s interesting.
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And it just becomes harder to do. And then once you show them how to get it right, like, they’ll never have problems again.
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But it’s all about showing them how to get it right.
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Right. Right. And then no one talks about that because they’re stuck on you can’t use the right eye or they never get past that.
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How important is to teach people the right way the first time so they don’t have to unlearn
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shit? Man, everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think they should do whether you’ve shot before or not, and I’m gonna have to unfuck that. No matter what? No matter what. So it’s like, you know, it’s like, kinda like in the dojo where it’s like, okay, I want you to do, like, 20 good 20 shitty arm bars, and then we’ll we’ll get the hips better on the next 20.
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We’ll tweak the hand on the next 20. We’ll do you know what I mean? Like, get some of them bulk movements down first Right. And then we keep fine tuning.
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Right. Fine tuning.
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Yeah. So it doesn’t matter if I mean, look, even if even if you learn how to punch from Jon Jones on your first day, you wouldn’t go out and win a match that night.
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Right.
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You know what I mean? So I think it’s like, I always I tell people this all the time, 1% better a day. Just 1%. That’s what I’m looking for today. If I can be 1% better today than I was yesterday, well, that’s 365% by the end of the year, and I didn’t do much every day.
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You know what
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I mean? So I always tell people, like, shooting or a skill like this is a marathon, not a sprint.
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Right. So it’s better That’s with everything. Right?
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Yeah. I think so.
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Yeah. I think so too.
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And I tell you, you’re like, you know, if you if if you think you’re gonna have to pull a gun and save your family one day, you should be practicing a few times a week. Yeah. You know what I mean? It doesn’t have to be much, but you should be practicing a little bit. Yeah. Getting this gun out shouldn’t be a shock to you when the time comes because it’s not gonna come to you then. Right.
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Yeah? That’s great advice. Yeah. Do you enjoy teaching?
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I fucking love teaching. I love helping people. Now that I’m doing Jits again, a lot of people want me to show them, like, fucking cars and guns and Jits and guns, and I don’t know if I’m ready to take my sanity pastime and turn it into work. You know what I’m saying? So I understand.
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I I I play with guns now, and a lot of guys have told me I need to be, like, you know, like, the car bailouts, like, all this shit. Like, I do, I’m afraid to ruin jiu jitsu as work. So I’ve been I’ve been reluctant. And I always tell people I’ll never teach jiu jitsu, but, like, I fucking teach anyone everything. I mean, if we can get better today, let’s talk about it.
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Once I can try it.
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Teaching jiu jitsu though is I think it makes you better at jiu jitsu. I think it’s selfish. I think
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it’s like
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a good thing for you.
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Well, okay. You know this. You’re a black belt. Right? Every day you went to a dojo, you were trying to hand that black belt his ass, And then you get your black belt, and now everyone every day the rest of
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your life is trying to
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hand you your ass. You know what I mean? It’s a fucking thankless job.
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Yeah. No. There’s another day where no one’s trying to hand your ass. Fuck, yeah.
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Let’s go.
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That’s the beautiful thing about jujitsu too. Like, you don’t really Yeah. You don’t catch any breaks. You might get it one day where there’s, like, oh, it’s only bluebells here.
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I love it when someone forces me into, like, real survival mode. Now I’m not talking about, like Yeah. You know, you got a triangle and I’m just gonna ride this. I’m talking like someone like I’m like fucking I gotta do something now. I fucking love that, man.
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How are you how are you avoiding injuries?
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Okay. So, first and foremost, I started out I don’t even take Motrin. I try to take no drugs after I got off the pills from the VA and started getting active and, you know, I try not to take any medicines at all. I went to master worlds, and motherfuckers are yoked up fucking and the gear is out. You know what I mean?
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Like, these motherfuckers are working out since last year just to fucking stroke a motherfucker today. Right? So, like, I was a little unprepared this year for worlds, in that aspect, but, I’m all for the peptides. I’m all for the t r I’m not against any of it, per se, and and I think that’s a, I did the peptides.
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I just I’m not a I don’t I don’t like shots. Like Right. And I won’t give myself a shot.
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You were talking about that on
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Sean Ryan’s channel. You don’t like Yeah. So it’s like your skin. Yeah. Like, I don’t like that. I don’t know why. Right? Like, I know
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It’s so weird. A guy has been through everything that you’ve been through. It’s like, needles. Sketch me out.
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I mean, just give it it doesn’t hurt.
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Like, I’m not a sissy about it, but it’s like But peptides are so easy.
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I know. Well, I took the pills. I took the I took the pill.
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B c 157? Yeah. Yeah.
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And and I’ll tell you, like
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Super legit.
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Was it Gary Brecker, that guy? Yeah. He talks about redheaded people. I’m a redheaded people. I got pale skin. You know?
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Redheaded people have better pain tolerance.
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Yeah. I well, I take drugs different. I think there’s
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a thing about that, though. You see? Google that. Reddit people have better pain
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tolerance. My whole life, I’ve taken drugs differently. Like, I don’t get Percocet. I get deluded. So I think, like,
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you got roofied. Like, everybody else conked out.
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Yeah. I’m just in over party mode.
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Like You were also talking about on Sean’s show that you take you have the thing that Jamie has where you could take a lot of edibles and you don’t feel it.
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Oh, yeah. The the weed gummies are fucking worse.
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Some studies have found that redheads have a lower pain threshold, but other studies have found the opposite. Oh, okay. So it’s all fucked up. Inconclusive.
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Who knows? Inconclusive. Yeah.
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But, yeah, man. Depends on the individual.
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So but I will tell you this. It healed my stomach and my healing went from, like, a week or 2 to, like, 4 days.
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BBC 157 is very legit.
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Yeah. And then, so anyway,
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I wanna do more in the future.
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I’d like to, I kinda wanna do it all. Like, I mean, I’m fucking I’m 54, man. Yeah. I And that’s
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why I was asking you,
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like, what are you
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do what are you doing to avoid injuries?
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Okay. So besides that, I do cardio. A couple years ago, my first elk hunt my first elk bow hunt, you know, we ride up to, like, 9,000 feet and then, like, walked up 3 miles from there. Yeah. Like, yo, I was 2.80 at one time. That was a fucking hell of a walk for a big fat motherfucker up that fucking mountain.
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And then I hunt with these old guys, and then the 2 guys I was with, like, 2 of the guys have hearing aids. And the other Guns. Right?
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From guns? I
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don’t know. They’re just older Nurses guys, whatever. Their ears both out. Yeah. Yeah. They’re hunters. Right? Yeah. So both of them got hearing aids. And the front one looks back to the second one, both good friends of mine, like, and was like, turn your hearing aids down so you ain’t gotta hear them breathe so fucking loud.
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And I’m like, I heard you mother. Fuck you. Like, so, I told myself, like, I was gonna start walking 30 minutes a day, and that was fucking hard. And then now I do, like, an hour of cardio. I could run, but I don’t. But I started again. I need to be running a little bit for cardio.
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I I treat strength as 2 different things. I spent about a year, with 15 pound dumbbells just like rehabbing motion, movement, joints, and it was a lot of fucking pain. And then, you know, now I’m I’m getting stronger every day. I’ve been, you know, power athlete, big John, but I kinda look at strength 2 different ways.
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I try to do strength days where it’s like the traditional squats, deads, like all the big ones, push pulls, all of it covered all. And then I see it as, conditioning as something separate. Right? And conditioning would be lighter weight, like, CrossFit like round Right. Right. Right.
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Without knowing how to say it better. Yeah. So, but the steps fucking, I’m gonna tell you this. I’ll tell anybody this. You wanna fucking start losing weight?
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It starts at 10,000 fucking steps a day. Get your ass out there. Start fucking walking. And then the next thing I did is, I went to a competition class, by Sean’s in Tennessee, and, I got a diet. I got workouts. I got an app.
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I tracked my diet. I did, right before worlds, I was at a 170 grams of protein, 1800 calories a day. And I very strict about it. Yeah. And I shredded weight. I cut I cut down I was probably 240.
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I cut down to 222 as the smallest human being in the fucking 222 because everyone’s yoked up like fucking mad men. And they’re
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probably all cut weight too.
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Well, my coaches were like, you know and I can’t believe I even listened to this, but they’re like, man, it’s the 55 bracket. Like, it’s guys like you. This is their pastime. You know what I mean?
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55 today is not the same.
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Yo. These motherfuckers will cut this is fucking killer season out of this bitch. You know what I mean? Like, I was unprepared. Man, I had this big Mongolian motherfucker. You know Edwin Nedwin Jammy? You know Edwin? Edwin, Gracie Barra, Tarzana, California. Right? Edwin’s like a jujitsu legend. He’s at worlds. Who’s your coach?
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I don’t fucking have a coach. It’s me and my backpack and a gi. Let’s fucking get this fight going, bitch.
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And he’s like, well, coach it. I’m like, okay. You know what I mean?
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I don’t got a coach. And then, like, right before we walk out on the mat,
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he’s like, yo, ref. Are they the same weight class? And I’m like, yo, my man, Ed, this is my coach right here. My man. Like, you know what I mean? But, like, this dude was fucking huge, and he was one of them Mongolian jacket wrestlers. You’ve done this?
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Oh, I’ve seen that.
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I couldn’t I couldn’t get the takedown. And then we went down on the ground. He hit me with a, like, a fucking paper cutter, popped my head out, tried to choke me again, fucking got out of it. But as I was getting up, I knew I needed to keep this guy in the ground. But guess what, man? When you get in trouble, guess what you do?
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You stand the fuck up and this dude stand up, and I knew I wasn’t getting my 2 points back. Mhmm. And then I was just fucking exhausted, like, as fucking gas to
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ramp up their conditioning.
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Yeah. Fuck yeah, man. This year, I’m fucking winning. I’m fucking world champion, Joe. I’m the toughest old motherfucker I fucking know. You know? Goddamn it. Let’s fucking go. I’m gonna figure this shit out. But I will tell you, I think what I didn’t know is you gotta train to compete to compete well.
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Mhmm.
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And I fucking fight, and I wanna fight, and I wanna get smashed, and I wanna fucking I wanna almost lose this fight 10 fucking times to finally get that fucking submission on you. And that’s a great fight to me. And, like, yo. Yeah. Yeah. You just lost 13 points on that, Don. Right.
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And then if you don’t get the submission, you just lost 13 points on that. You know
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what I mean? Like, so it’s a it’s a different animal. Treating it like the sport versus what you get out of it, what you like.
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And I’ll tell you this is, like, I probably coulda changed the match if I woulda pulled guard around 3 minutes in. I ain’t never pulled guard in my fucking life. Like, what kind of fucking asshole pulls fucking guard? Well, I figured it out. I’ll tell you what kind of asshole.
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When you can’t take a bigger motherfucker down Yeah. This is maybe what pulling guard is for. Or in the real world, walk the fuck away Yeah. Before you fucking just get fucking smashed out here. You know what I mean? Thinking you’re something you ain’t.
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Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back? Because a
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lot a lot
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of times with big guys, they don’t
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like start there. Fucking get my neck. Let’s go. You can’t I will give you my back just to fucking get out. I don’t give a fuck, man. I love it. That’s great. I always like honestly, when I when I’m, like, when I’m just at the dojo, like, girls or smaller people. Right? Right.
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Like, I I try not to smash them. Right. And and I’ll tell them, like, hey. If I get on top, just fucking sweep me.
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Right.
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Stay on top of me the whole time, and I just fucking let them go at me. Like, what would you tell me? That
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I’m weak. Yeah. When I would roll with someone who’s weak, I would pretend I’m weak. And, like, that’s I think that’s the best way to do it. Yeah. Like, no strength. I’m never gonna use strength. Yeah. I think that’s Hixson always said the that defense was more important than anything. He said Yeah. I am always safe.
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No matter where I am, I am always safe. Defense. You’re fucking hey.
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Your Hixson is great, by the way, dude. You see Choke?
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You seen the documentary?
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I have not seen Choke, but I just finished his new book, the dark one. Dark? Dark? Hixson came out with a new book. I just I just Right. This is
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Audiobook it the other day. Got Parkinson’s now.
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Yeah. But, you know, he’s got the Breathe book, but he just came out with a new one. I just listened to it, like, last week. You know what I mean?
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Yeah. But, you gotta watch Choke.
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I got to.
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One of the greatest documentaries of all time.
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I know. I’ve heard that. For a
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martial artist?
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I’ve heard that.
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Fucking incredible. It’s Hixson in his prime competing in Japan, Vale Tudo. And just you see him training and doing his yoga and all the crazy breathing shit where his stomach sucks up inside of him. I don’t even know how to
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do that. Yeah. He, when when he was testing me for my purple belt, he was like, yes. Yes. Yeah. When when I lay on the ground, I am flat. He’s like, when you lay on the ground, you are not flat. You should roll more. I’m like, hey. Are you I know you know enough English just to call me fucking fat. You know what I mean? But goddamn it, bro.
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Roll more.
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Yeah. I should roll. Yeah.
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And he he he showed me like Yeah. Rolls from side control, getting
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out of stuff because Right. I am more round than I am flat. And it’s kinda like, you know, fat guys should roll more. It’s hard to stop. You know? Right. So he had there’s some real fucking wisdom
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in there. You know what I mean?
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But it’s like I always like how, like, they know enough English to assault you, but they’ll say
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it, like, their way. You know? Yes. You are It’s just being practical. Yeah. Yeah. No. It’s just No. It’s just real talk,
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and that’s what he does. Like Yeah. Yeah. That guy It’s pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy. I am the
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only person so okay. I had to
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do the paperwork. You know,
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there’s other, like,
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big time Hicks and black belts out there that kinda police up all everybody. So when you go to Worlds or you fight, you know, like these guys and they told me they would they’d get me under their paperwork. But literally, I did the paperwork with IBJJF and I sent it to Hixson and he filled out the paperwork.
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But, like, I didn’t know I sent him the paperwork and it’s like one of them forms where you just sign it with your finger on your phone, like, super easy.
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Right.
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I sent it to Hicks, and I was like, hey, coach. We got a form. We gotta sign. And he’s not he’s not a member of any of these organizations anymore. So, like, I didn’t know how this would go, and they, like, sent me a fucking paper copy. And they’re, like, have mister Gracie sign this signature. Right?
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So I I text it to Hicks, and I’m like, hey, coach. Can you sign my paperwork for worlds real quick? And he texted me right back, and he’s like, hey, champ. I’m looking for a printer now. As soon as I find 1, I’ll sign this.
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And I was just thinking, fuck. I don’t even know who’s got a printer. I don’t even have a printer in my fucking house. Like, if Hixson’s looking for a printer, I think he just told me no.
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You know what I mean?
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Like Right. Right. Right. Like, fuck. And then, like, a couple days later, he he sent it back to me, signed. Right? I think probably his wife was like, oh, Hixson. Yeah. Look. Yeah. You know what I mean?
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Like, I just I just didn’t I think he kinda didn’t know, but, he got back to me, and then they sent me I had to do this a few times. And then I was the only guy I’m the only belted guy fighting under Hixson in the masters. Right?
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Wow. Yeah. That’s pretty fucking cool.
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Yeah. And then, I would say this for jujitsu for me is, like, I’m so glad it is where it is these days because back in the day I mean, think about this. Back in the day, I travel all the time. I’m in a different dojo, fucking weekly. You know, I might be here for 4 days. I try to get 3 days of Jits. I’m in fucking Waco. I’m going to fucking places. I’ve been in 26 different dojos this year, like, doing Jits.
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Back in the day, that was fucking. You know what I mean? Fucking monsters in Portuguese.
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Right. Right.
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Right? Because you don’t have no loyalty. You don’t have no fucking and the reality is, like, yo, I’m just never home. Right. I I don’t wanna be unloyal to anybody. I’m loyal to everybody, but I just wanna get rounds, and I’m so glad the jujitsu world is so fucking welcoming these days, meaning Yeah.
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Like like, I don’t have to show up and fight.
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Right. Much more open minded. Yeah. Yeah. They’re happy to welcome people from other schools.
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The only the only the only person that was, like, why are you here was a cyborg at fightsports.
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Oh, really? Yeah. You know Cyborg? Yeah. Sure.
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I know. I know. And, you know, you know Roosevelt? Savage. You know Roosevelt, the tall guy that hangs out with him?
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I don’t.
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Tallest black belt I ever seen. Tallest Brazilian I ever seen. Right? So he’s one of the black belts down there with, with with with Cyborg. And, I’m out there, and I’m, like, at the time, I was blue belt. You know what I mean? And I was probably, I don’t know, 250. I was kinda fat, And, like, fight sports is like old school Brazilian jujitsu where we’re gonna shrimp across the mat. We do fucking all this.
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I don’t give a fuck if you’re losing jujitsu today, but you’re gonna be tough.
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Right.
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So it’s that kinda shit. And That’s
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how Carlson Gracey’s was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Before you even got to the class, you were fucking exhausted.
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Yeah. The class hasn’t started yet. Right? So I’m out on the mat. I’m breathing hard. I’m just kinda doing my thing and, Roosevelt, the big tall black belt comes over and he was like, man, he’s like, you are my inspiration. I’m like, I am coach? I’m your inspiration? He’s like, yes. He’s like, you are out here. You are doing this, man. He was like, you are everyone’s inspiration.
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And I’m looking around and, like, everyone’s rolling, like, and then and then, like, everyone stops because, like, he’s talking to me. You know what I mean? And, like, every now everyone’s looking at me, and I’m like, what in the fuck is going on? Right? So he was like, you are here. You are doing this.
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You are old. You are my inspiration. And I’m like, thanks, coach. I was like and then, like, I didn’t need a break, but I was like, fuck. After that talk, maybe I do need a break.
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So I was like,
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maybe I do need a break, coach. You know? And he was like, okay. Fix your gi. So I fixed my gi. I tie my belt. He’s like, run laps around the practice until you’re ready to practice again. It was like, man, that’s fucking worse. I wouldn’t I
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didn’t even need the fucking break. And he gave me the old speech, so I agreed. And then, like,
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and then I had to run. I thought that was more embarrassing, running laps around everybody. Right? But, like, like, when he running laps around everybody. Right? But, like, and, like, when he said he wanted to give me a break, like, the fucking breaks is, like, screeched to a halt.
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Everybody was like, did he just say like, does that guy Why the fuck does that guy get a break? You know what I mean? A break was for 2 laps. Yeah. And, and then Hint and Cyber came up to me and, they didn’t I didn’t have a gi yet.
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I hadn’t bought a gi, and I hadn’t found a gi that fit me. So I had I I just bought a Gi, but I only had a white belt. Right? I I got the Gi at Gracie Raleigh, my home dojo. Right? And then they only had a white belt, so I had a white belt.
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So I was white belt in it, but really I was a blue belt. So and when it came to Roland, Cyborg is like, who are you, man? I’m like, coach? And he’s like, who are you, man? Who are you?
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He thought you’re like a spy?
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Yeah. He’s like, why are you here? And I’m like, I just I just well, my brother lives here, coach, and I called ahead of time and I asked if I could come do jujitsu. I’m just trying to get a couple days while I’m on the road. He’s like, man, you are no white belt. Who are you? What are you doing here?
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And I was like, well, I’m actually a blue belt coach. And he was like, why didn’t you and then they got a wall of, like, old belts, which is, like, the coolest thing I ever fucking seen. Like, a 100 just old different all kinds of belts. It’s fucking cool as fuck in my opinion.
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But he was like, why didn’t you get one off the extra belt? And I was like, well, you didn’t have one, coach. And he looked he thinks for a second. He was like, you are right. There’s not one your size on the wall. And I was like, holy fuck.
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There’s a ton of belts there for him to even know that. Like Wow. Because I went through all of them and couldn’t fit one. You know? And, he was like, okay. You know?
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So he was just concerned that you were sandbagging or trying to get
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information. I don’t know. Yeah. And then but they were great with me. Like, shout out to Cyborg and Roosevelt.
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Hard dudes.
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Yeah. They’re fucking they’re hard down there.
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And Rocha, all those guys down there.
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But I’ve been in 26 I think 26 dojos this year, man. That’s wild. And then So
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you’re all in?
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I’m all in, man. I’m in I’m in all the time. And then, like so one of the things is, like, I can only go to Hixson to get promoted because I’m never in 1 doll dojo long enough
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Right.
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To, like, earn earn a stripe or
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earn a
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so I I think it’s like a I don’t know. I feel like I’m fortunate of where I am. You know what I mean? And then, honestly, the reason I went to Hixson is because I could. Yeah. And I figured if if I need to be tested for a belt Yeah. Like, who else should test me? You know what I mean?
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When you get your black belt, you get a black belt from Hixson. It’s like there’s very few black belts that hold that kinda weight.
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Yeah. You know, there’s like Enzo Yeah. Nixon.
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Yeah. Jean Jacques Machado. There’s a few of those, like, old school legendary belts.
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Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Megaton Diaz. It’s like a few
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of those legendary old school belts, you know.
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Yeah. Heegan. Heegan.
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Yeah. Heegan. Yeah. Yeah. I love Heegan.
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I know. I love
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I, actually, was Heegan’s, corner guy when he was in Abu Dhabi in 2003. I was
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You were?
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Yelling his time out. Yeah. Because I was there with Eddie Bravo.
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Oh, yeah. That’s right.
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You know, we all trained in the Machado, so I know Hegan. And then Hegan’s like, my friend, do do the time for me. And so, like, he was like, he was kinda out of shape. He’s still fucking people up. Yeah. But he wanted to know, like, give me tell me when there’s, like, a minute to go so I could really fucking hit the gas.
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Like, I wanna coast for a little bit and then decide when to go.
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Yeah. I love I call it, like, I call it fat guy jiu jitsu, and I think people are shocked when I say that term. But, really, it’s it’s like the, I don’t know, the Danaher ageless stuff. There’s there’s stuff that bigger guys left athletic Right. Are gonna have to do because they can’t do a flying whatever. They can’t you know what I mean?
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And, like, I love his smash game and I, so I was at a I went to the Machado camp. It was him, Roger, Carlos, and John. John Machado. I love that guy too. You know John?
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Sure.
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He carries he carries condom holsters.
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Nice. Yeah.
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He’s great, man. But I went to their summer camp, and I was like, hey, Egan. Can I get a picture? And, like, he’s sitting on the couch, and Carlos is like, you know, typical bigger brother shit.
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Get the fuck up. You’re lazy. Kinda dogging him.
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So I was like I was
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like, you don’t have to
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get up, coach. So I sat on his lap, and he was like, what the fuck?
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That’s hilarious.
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But, yeah. I went to a Machado camp this year. I spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato.
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I love that dude.
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That guy’s a fucking legend. Yeah. He is. I I got invited to Felipe Acosta’s kinda in affiliate training with Rafael, like shout out to Rafael. He’s fucking amazing. Every one of his black belts gave me time like, and then Felipe Acosta, like, just fucking next level, man. And it look, it gives me hope as an old guy. Like, I know I’m 55, and I know I wanna win the fucking 55 year old bracket.
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But why the fuck do I need to be in the 55 year old bracket? You know what I mean? If my jujitsu is good enough, I should be able to fight anyone. Right? And that’s what gives me hope of fucking carrying on that one day, like because I know all I do is fight these young guys. And yeah, sure.
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They beat me right now, but, like, you know, how many times did Helio get crushed?
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Right. You know what I’m saying?
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So, like, it’s the beauty of jujitsu is the age should be fucking the least in this equation. You know what I mean? So that’s kinda where I stand. And I’ll tell you, man, anytime someone can fucking put it to me where I’m about to go down, I couldn’t be fucking happier, man.
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I had this black belt the other day. Out of nowhere, just fucking smash me and, like, and then he lets I tap, he lets me up, and then he just got the
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biggest smile on my face.
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And he was like looking at me, and I was like, that was fucking amazing, coach. I was like, you ain’t never smashed me like that. Right? And he he just kinda looking
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at me and just fucking tackled him again. You know what I mean?
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Fucking went right back to smashing me.
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You know what I mean? Like,
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I just freaking love it, man. Yeah. That’s the
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best attitude for learning. There’s no better.
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Well, I, as a human being, I need to learn something every day. I think you’re the same way in a lot of ways. Like, I don’t care what it is. I think
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it’s good for you.
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Yeah. I do too. I think it keeps your brain healthy.
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100%. I
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think it keeps Alzheimer fucking all that bullshit away.
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Yeah. I think that’s why people get old. It’s one of the reasons other than your body failing because your mind gets old. Yeah. You’re not stimulating it.
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Yeah. For real. Right?
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John, this is a fucking awesome conversation.
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Thanks. I
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really appreciate it. Yeah. I had a great time.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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And I can’t wait to read your book.
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So okay. I’m gonna
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get some rounds in the future when
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you’re healthy. Yes. Alright.
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I’ll do that.
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I’d love
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to get some rounds with you.
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For sure. I definitely wanna come back. I could kill Tony last night. Fucking it’s like bucket list
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for me. Club anytime you want.
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Man, I I couldn’t thank you enough. Like, I know I came here yesterday. Not a big deal to me. Right? Because, like, yo, I gotta kill Tony out of this deal. Like, last night was fucking funny, man. This guy told a joke last night. The funniest fucking joke I think I ever heard in my life. I don’t know if I could say it or not.
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How does that
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look like?
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There was a guy just kinda shorter guy, white guy, beard, and he just read jokes. He just said, like, random jokes.
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Oh, it’s one of the bucket pulls?
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Yeah. He’s a bucket pull guy. Oh, okay. Cool. He said this joke. You wanna hear it?
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Sure. Okay. Here’s the fucking funniest thing I heard in
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a long time. Why don’t police have turtles as pets?
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Why?
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Because you can’t kneel on their neck. I was like,
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oh my fucking
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god. Like, next level right there.
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Well, listen, brother. Anytime you wanna come to the club Thanks, Joe. More than welcome. Thank you very much for being here. Oh, man. Anytime. It was a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all the swag. Thanks for letting me hold the evil hat.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I gotta put it back in its box.
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If people wanna find you online, sheriffofbaghdad.com?
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Yeah. Sheriff of Baghdad, SOB Tactical, either one will get you to me, like, and you
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just you die you you type
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in sheriff of Baghdad and a ton of shit of me pops up.
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And someone, whoever the publisher is Yeah. Pop on it.
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Yeah. I’m sure Hit me up.
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I’m sure that book’s insane. Alright. Yeah.
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Thank you very much, brother.
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Appreciate you. Alright. Bye, everybody.
