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Mike Benz is a former official with the U.S. Department of State and current Executive Director of the Foundation For Freedom Online, is a free speech watchdog organization dedicated to restoring the promise of a free and open Internet.
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#2237 – Mike Benz Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion centers around the concept of a “whole of society” approach to addressing disinformation, particularly in the context of government and social media platforms. The episode features a guest, Mike, who has conducted extensive research into the mechanisms of censorship and disinformation. Mike explains how governments fund allies to create the appearance of spontaneous democratic support for censorship, involving various government departments and private sector tech platforms.
Key takeaways from the episode include the need for a comprehensive societal approach to tackle disinformation, emphasizing the importance of creating urgency for collective action. Institutions and platforms have resources but lack credibility, while civil society has credibility but is under-resourced. A mix-methods approach, including fact-checking and monitoring, is necessary, along with developing norms, standards, and regulatory frameworks for a healthier information ecosystem. The episode also highlights the importance of discouraging political parties from engaging in disinformation.
The episode introduces the “4 D’s” strategy—Dismiss, Distort, Distract, and Dismay—as common responses to disinformation. Additionally, the episode discusses tools like WiseDex, which helps translate abstract policy guidelines into actionable claims, aiding in the identification and flagging of misleading information.
Overall, the episode underscores the complexity of disinformation and the need for coordinated efforts across various sectors to effectively address it. The recurring theme is the critical role of collaboration between government, private sector, and civil society to create a credible and resourceful front against disinformation.
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#2237 – Mike Benz Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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Alright. We’re up. Nice to meet you, Mike. Nice
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to meet you, Joe.
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I wish you didn’t have to exist. You’re one of those guys that when you talk, like, god, I wish what he’s saying isn’t true, but I know it is. But I’m happy you do. I I don’t remember what I where I first, saw you speak, but, I mean, right away I was thinking, okay, this makes a lot of sense when you’re explaining, like, the Ministry of Truth or what whatever it is.
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Is that what it’s called? Ministry of Truth? Well, yeah.
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That’s exactly right.
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They tried to do that for a while. That was, I think so just as a background, please tell people what you do and what your what positions you held.
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I do all things Internet censorship. That’s really my mission in life, my North Star. I started off as a corporate lawyer and then worked for the Trump White House. I was a speechwriter. I sort of advised on technology issues, and then I ran the the cyber division for the state department.
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Basically, the big tech portfolio that interfaces between sort of big government international diplomacy issues on technology and then the sort of private sector US national champions in the tech space like Google and Facebook. So I was the guy that Google lobbyists would call when they wanted favors from big government.
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But, you know, my my life took a huge sort of u-turn, you might say, when I the 2016 election came around and I became obsessed with the early development of the censorship industry, of this this giant behemoth of government, private sector, civil society organizations, and media all collabing to censor the Internet.
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It was kind of a weird weird path from there.
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When did it all start rolling? When did the government realize that they had to get actively involved in censorship, and what steps did they initially take to get involved in this?
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It started in 2014 with the Ukraine fiasco The coup. The coup and then the counter coup. The coup was great for Internet free speech. I mean, you really do need to start the story of Internet censorship with the story of Internet freedom, because censorship is promotion of censorship is sort of the flip side of promotion of free speech, and we’ve had this free speech government diplomatic role for 80 years now.
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When the when World War 2 ended, we embarked. You know, we had the international rules based order that was created in 1948. We had the UN. We had NATO. We had the IMF, the World Bank. We had this big global system now.
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There was a prohibition in 1948 under the UN declaration of human rights that you can’t acquire territory by military force anymore and have it be respected by international law. So everything had to move to soft power influence, influence. And so the US government took a very active role beginning in 1948 to promote free speech around the world, and this was done through all these, you know, initially CIA proprietaries like Voice of America and Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty.
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And then the whole Wizzner’s, Wurlitzer, State Department CIA apparatus, all the early partnerships with the media and the wars the war machine around propaganda for World War 2 continued through the Cold War. And then that that hit the gas with promotion of free speech on the Internet when the Internet was privatized.
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It was initially a military project, so it was a government operation from from Jump Street. And then in 1991, the World Wide Web came out, civilian use. And right away, the the state department, the military, our intelligence sphere was promoting free speech so that we could have a a a, basically, government pressure on foreign countries to open up their Internet to allow, basically, groups that the US government was supporting to be able to combat state control over media in those other countries.
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So we already had this sort of deep interplay between government, tech companies, universities, NGOs that dates back 80 years. If you look at the evolution of NGOs like Freedom House or The Atlantic Council or Wilson Center in promoting these these free speech and so but what happened was is in 9 in 2014, we had had about 25 years of successful free speech diplomacy, and then there was a you know, we tried to overthrow the government of of Ukraine.
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We successfully did. And I’m not even arguing whether that’s a good or bad thing, but the fact is is the US did effectively January 6th the Yanukovych government out of power in 2014. I mean, we literally had our assistant secretary of state for Europe and Eurasian affairs, Victoria Nuland, handing out cookies and water bottles to violent street protesters as they surrounded the parliament building and ran the democratically elected government out of office.
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But then what happened is the eastern side of the state completely broke away. So we don’t respect this new US installed government. Crimea voted in a referendum, joined the Russian Federation, and that kicked off that that sort of set in motion the events that would end the concept of free speech diplomacy as, like, a US government unfettered good because what they argued is we pumped $5,000,000,000 worth of US government money into media institutions in Ukraine.
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That’s the figure that cited by Victoria Nuland in December 2013 right before the coup. $5,000,000,000 setting up independent media companies, basically sponsoring, Mockingbird style, our media assets in the region, and they still didn’t penetrate Eastern Ukraine. The Eastern Ukraine was primarily ethnic Russian, didn’t penetrate Crimea. So they said we need something to stop them from being able to combat our media influence.
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And they initially called this the Gerasimov doctrine named after Valerie Gerasimov, who is this Russian general. They took a quote from him saying, the new nature of war is no longer about, no longer about military to military conflict. All we need to do is take over the media in these NATO countries, and that’s primarily social media.
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Get one of our pawns elected as the president, and that president will control the military. So it’s much cheaper and more efficient to win a military war by simply winning civilian elections. So that was called the Gerasimov doctrine. That’s what set up the early censorship infrastructure in 2014. 3 years later, the the guy who coined that, Marc Gagliani, would write a sort of mea culpa saying, oops.
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I’m sorry. Jarosmeoff was actually citing what the US does. But by that point, they’d already renamed it hybrid warfare. NATO formally declared its tanks to tweets doctrine saying that the new role of NATO is no longer just about tanks. It’s about controlling tweets, and then Brexit happened in June 2016.
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In July 2016, the very next month in Warsaw, NATO added hybrid warfare to its formal, formal charter, basically authorizing the military, the diplomatic sphere, and the intelligence world to, take control over social media. And then 5 months later, Trump won the election being called the Russian asset. So all that infrastructure was redirected home to the US. Jesus.
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It was looking pretty bleak, I would say, in terms of the direction Internet censorship was headed. It was it was it seemed like the censorship machine was winning up until around the time that Elon purchased x. That seems to me to be our fork in the road. That’s the alternative timeline. You know, Mark Andreessen talked about that yesterday.
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We’ve had a couple of alternative timelines where things have shifted. I think that was one of the big ones. No.
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That’s exactly it. I mean, he’s he’s sort of the the timeline where we missed the bullet is where there’s a deus ex machina. You know, it’s sort of like a deus ex machina where it’s this random plot thing that happens, you know, someone descends onto the stage and solves all the plots, loopholes, and magically saves the, you know, the the plucky heroes that were otherwise in danger.
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There were events in the run up. Well, it all sort of happened simultaneously, really, because the the month that Elon announced his acquisition was the same month that the disinformation governance board was announced at DHS, which was the first thing that really roused Republicans and, frankly, anyone with institutional power in DC to finally stare into the sun and recognize or at least begin to glimpse the size of what they were up against.
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The disinformation governance board set off a flurry of congressional activity from Chuck Grassley and other, you know, luminaries in in in congress. There were a lot of there’s whistleblower documents came out. And for years, the entire Republican Party and and most of the Democrat Party had denied the existence of government censorship.
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And it frankly, the the mystery the the mystery of truth was not this disinformation governance board. The disinformation mystery of truth had already existed 3 years earlier at DHS. They just made they just called it, a name that masked what it did. It was called the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is a name that puts you half to sleep by the time you’re finished saying it.
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Ministry of truth scared the shit out of people just because of the Orwellian context of the term. You know, it just seemed like what what do you what?
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Well, the funny thing is they were right. The disinformation governance board was not the ministry of truth. It was a dull, boring, mundane bureaucratic layer to manage the ministry of truth that was already created 3 years earlier. But the fact is nobody called them out on it because of the thick language of censor speak that, that that hides this whole thing from general public awareness.
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I mean, in my own path, I’ve I’ve I’ve tried to self reflect about how I ended up here spending my life on this, and I used to think it was primarily about chess and, you know, my sort of early encounters with AI and then seeing the the censorship AI that really sparked my pursuit into this.
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But the more I thought about it, the more it’s based I think it’s just kinda coming from a corporate law background where your your job is to plant dirty tricks in the in the fine print of a 150 page legal documents and to catch dirty tricks in that linguistic framing that’s done, by by opposing lawyers, and that that’s really how they pulled this off.
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Nobody thought in 2019 that the cybersecurity agency in DHS would be the Ministry of Truth. They didn’t appreciate the layers of censor speak that were constructed on top of that to say that, well, DHS governs critical infrastructure, and elections are critical infrastructure.
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Public health is critical infrastructure. Misinformation online is a cyber component. So it’s a cyber attack on critical infrastructure. And so normal normally, policymakers or people in the public think, oh, cybersecurity. That’s hacking. That’s phishing.
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You know, that’s some that’s that’s for CIA, NSA people to stop Russians from hacking us. And they think critical infrastructure. They think things like dams or subsea cables or low earth satellites. They don’t they don’t think it means you sitting on the toilet at 9:30 PM on a Thursday saying, I don’t know that I love mail in ballots, and then suddenly you’re being flagged by DHS as a cyber threat actor for attacking the US critical infrastructure of confidence in our elections.
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But that’s how they scaled these definitions into this giant mission creep, and now it’s metastasized the entire US federal government, the Pentagon, the state department, USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy, DHS, FBI, DOJ, HHS, and the task in front of this administration is just unbelievably enormous in deconstructing that.
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Is it possible?
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They’re gonna run to a lot of headwinds because once this power was discovered and funded to the tune of 1,000,000,000 as it has been, We we have this foreign policy establishment that manages the American empire that saw Internet censorship as kind of an El Dorado key to permanently winning the soft power influence game around around the world. And what I mean by that is okay.
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So you know how in a lot of people talk about the early CIA activity in the media with things like Operation Mockingbird and and whatnot and the ability to sort of propagandize things in the media. Well, you never had this capacity in the 19 fifties while that was going on.
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If if you and I were at dinner, Thanksgiving or something, and there’s 12 people at the table, and I start talking to you about, I don’t know, the COVID vaccines may have adverse side effects. There’s never an ability to simply reach under the table as an intelligence agency or as the Department of Homeland Security or as the Pentagon or the state department just turn off the volume when we talk to each other peer to peer.
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But since the lion’s share of all communication is digital, especially the politically impactful ones, that capacity now allows our blob, our foreign policy establishment, to effectively control every election or at least tilt every election around the world. And they’ve sprawled this into a 140 countries, and the and Trump is going to run into every single regional desk at the state department, every single equity at the Pentagon arguing that if you don’t do not allow us to continue this censorship work, it will undermine national security because it will allow Russian, favored narratives to win the day in the Ivory Coast, in Chad, in Nigeria, in and, and Brazil, in Venezuela, in Central and Eastern Europe.
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You’re going to have the state department argue that if we don’t have this counter misinformation capacity, then, extremists will win elections around the world, where populists will win the election around the world, and that will undermine the power of our democratic institutions, essentially our programming, our assets in the region.
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And they’ve built this enormous capacity. It’s it we use it because it works, because it wins. And the fact is is Trump probably only won this election because for the same reason, he probably only won the 2016 election, which was, in both cases, there was largely a free Internet.
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It was when Trump got censored into oblivion in 2020 by the US government under his nose working with webs of of outside NGOs and Pentagon front groups to mass censor virtually every narrative that he was that he was, putting out that that he lost. So it does work to to win elections, and every there’s a regional desk at the state department covering every country on Earth.
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Victoria Nuland, you know, at a desk that cover about 20 countries. So every country, the state department is a preferred winner of that election. We work with all political parties, and that’s a that’s a hugely powerful tool to lose. It’s just twisted and evil, and it needs to, and we we need to win.
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I don’t wanna say fair fights, but dipping into this sort of dark sorcery power has not only does it crush the first amendment entirely, but the diplomatic blowback is just absolutely normal and enormous. I can I can go through examples of that if you’re interested? Sure. Well, so we have this thing called the Global Engagement Center at the state department.
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It was set up initially to fight ISIS, because in 2014, 2015, when the Obama administration was trying to put military boots on the ground in Syria, there was this sort of giant threat that was publicly at you know, talked about all over about ISIS recruiting on Facebook and Twitter.
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Homegrown ISIS threats, for example. The Garland, Texas, fiasco, where there was a shooting by ISIS terrorist and the web of online intrigues around that. 3 years later, it would come out that he had been effectively groomed by the FBI. The FBI paid someone over a $100,000 to become his best friend and text him to tear up Texas before that, but never mind.
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The the horse was out of the barn. This, so this idea that that ISIS was recruiting on Facebook and Twitter gave a gave a license to the state department to create this thing called the Global Engagement Center, which was really the first official censorship capacity in the US government.
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It predated the DHS stuff that would come along in the Trump in the Trump era. And this gave the state department the direct back channel, the direct coordinating capacity with all the social media companies to tell them about ISIS ISIS accounts, ISIS narratives that were trending.
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The Pentagon poured 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars into into developing a technique called natural language processing, which is a way to use AI to scan the entire Internet for keywords, and you would have these academic researcher researchers effectively constructing codebooks of language.
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What do ISIS advocates or supporters talk like? What words do they use? What prefixes and suffixes? This this whole lexicon is then conjoined with the ingested sum of all of their tweets and transcribed YouTube videos and Facebook posts, and then suddenly the state department is a real time heat map of everyone who is likely to be or hits a certain confidence level of being suspected to support ISIS.
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That was 2014 to 2016, set up by this guy, Rick Stengel, who described him himself as Obama’s propagandist in chief. He’s now on the advisory board of NewsGuard, one of the largest, censorship mercenary firms in in the in the world. But he described himself as a free speech maximalist because before he started this, he was the undersecretary of state for public diplomacy. He started this this censorship center.
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He was the former managing editor of Time Magazine. And so he he’s talked about how he used to be a free speech maximalist back when he was in the media, and media companies benefited from that. But when Trump won the election in 2016, he became convinced that, actually, the first amendment was a mistake.
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He actually openly advocated in The Washington Post in an op ed that we effectively end the first amendment, that we copycat Europe’s laws, and they wrote a whole book on it. This is the guy who started effectively the country’s first censorship center, but then they did a really cute trick. They went from counterterrorism to counter populism.
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Now we we’ve always had this ability since the 19 forties to interfere in the domestic affairs of foreign governments or foreign countries, to topple communist countries. This was the whole cold cold war, counter communism work of the CIA and the state department. But that was primarily targeting left wing left wing communist or left wing socialist or left wing populist run countries.
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When Trump won the election in 2016, this was this was one of the reasons I think Republicans were so slow to move on all this. They never experienced the brunt of the intelligence state against the mainline GOP or at least the in power Trump faction of the GOP in the way that Democrats did in the 19 sixties seventies when the CIA was actively interfering in Democrat party politics to try to tilt them away from the anti Vietnam movement and more into the sort of limousine liberal international, interventionalist neoliberal camp.
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And so in 2016, the Global Engagement Center pivoted from being counterterrorism to counter populism, arguing that that right wing populist governments, it wasn’t just right wing. They were also against left wing populist, but they simply never rose to power in the way that Trump did in the US, Bolsonaro did in Brazil, Matteo Salvini did in Italy, Marine Le Pen almost did in France, Nigel Farage was on his way too in the UK in the the Brexit referendum.
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The AfD party in Germany, the Vox party in Spain. In 2016, they were afraid that social media rising all these pop right wing populist parties to power would effectively collapse the entire rules based international order unless there was international censorship because Brexit would give rise to Brexit if Marine Le Pen won and she was massively overpowered on social media versus Macron.
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If, you know, as I mentioned, Italy, there there was going to be not just Brexit. There’s gonna be Brexit, Spexit, Italexit, Grexit, Gorexit. So the entire EU would come undone, which would mean all of NATO would come undone, which would mean there’s no enforcement arm for the IMF or the World Bank or international creditors, which would mean it would be like the ending scene of Fight Club where the credit card company buildings all collapse just because you’re allowed to shitpost on the Internet.
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And they talked about that quite openly in 2017 in as they were creating this whole censorship infrastructure.
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So the 2016 elections was that was a counterpoint. That was like a turning point. That was a a moment where they realized, like, this is actually dangerous. Like, allowing people to freely communicate online and say whatever they want completely undermines the propaganda that they have been distributing, completely undermines their ability to control who’s the president, what policies get pursued, things along those lines.
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Yeah. It was it was the final straw because, you know, the 2014 Crimea situation is is I mean, the Pentagon was actively working with and funding these censorship operations through the entirety of Central and Eastern Europe starting in 2014. And then Brexit was a was a major event in that. Basically, it was said to come to Western Europe at that point.
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But when it when Trump won, that was, I guess, both the final straw and then the massive anvil that that collapsed any residual resistance that existed within the national security state that we didn’t need to do this. And and Russiagate really was the the the useful tool to drive that all through.
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The fact that Trump came into office, under the barrel of a gun of a special prosecutor openly alleging that he may be a Russian asset, effectively a Manchurian candidate, of of Russia who only rose to power because of social media operations being run by Russia, allowed that national security predicate to to carry forward this infrastructure and be massively funded by the Pentagon, the state department, the IC, the NGO sphere in order to set this infrastructure.
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But then in July 2019, Russiagate died on the Vine immediately as soon as Bob Mueller completely goofed his 3 hour testimony. And a lot of people were thinking before he took the stand that Trump was going to be in jail as a Russian asset because it was kept under such close hold for two and a half years.
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Right.
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What was Bob Mueller doing? You know, there’s the SNL sort of fanfare around that. But then when it was revealed he had nothing, there was there was a moment in time between July 2019 and September 2019 when all of this could have been shut down, and we could have just called all that censorship work counterintelligence, you know, a national security state thing.
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But they did something really, really nasty at at that point, which we now live in the permanent aftermath of, which is they switched from a sort of counterintelligence national security threat from Russian interference predicate, which is useful because that gives you a blank check to use the Pentagon and the state department, the IC on this, to a domestic just domestic democracy predicate.
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Now this is really, really nasty because it basically transitions censorship from being a strictly military thing that we’re doing to stop Russia to being a total permeating apparatus over all civilian domestic affairs regardless of whether there’s a foreign threat. And when that was allowed to go unchallenged for effectively 3 years up until Elon announced the acquisition of X.
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In that same month, the Disinformation Governance Board spilled over, and then Republicans won the house in November 2022, which then allowed congressional hearings on all this and the elevation of the Twitter files and the public awareness from that. But for 3 years, you had this hand off from Russiagate. I call this the foreign to domestic switcheroo.
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And if you’re interested, you know, Jamie, if you look up not not asking to, but if you’re curious, I I have a whole supercut of what these people were saying from 2016 to 2018 while the Russgate investigation was going on to 2019, 2020 after after Russiagate. They do this foreign to domestic switcheroo.
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Those are the key terms if you’re you’re interested
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in it. There’s a compilation?
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Yeah. I did a compilation of all these DHS officials, state department officials, Pentagon officials completely changing their justification for why we need Internet censorship before Russiagate and after Russiagate. And they switched from saying Russian disinformation is the threat, so that’s why the Pentagon’s involved. That’s why the state and CIA and FBI’s involved.
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Just saying, well, actually, domestic disinformation is a threat to democracy. So regardless of whether it’s the Russians or not, we need to censor Americans to preserve democracy, and this happened in tandem with
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What what examples were they using to justify this?
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Well, they they pulled off a cute trick where they doctrinally redefined democracy to mean the consensus of institutions rather than individuals. They had when Trump won in 2016 and Brexit passed in 2016, they they took this anti authoritarian toolkit, which is which has for 80 years been the CIA’s predicate for overthrowing governments.
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And, really, since the 19 tens when Woodrow Wilson announced that America’s role is to make the world safe for democracy, we’ve long had a habit of intervening in foreign countries in order to liberate people from authoritarian control and bring them the gift of democracy, and that has always meant in primarily, that the government would represent the the mass of institutional the mass of individuals in the form of voting.
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When Trump won in 2016, at the same time that all these right wing populist parties who were just like Trump also won between 2016 and 2018, primarily using free speech on social media and their popularity there, they argue that right wing populism was the same authoritarian threat that left wing socialism, left wing communism was, and so they said, well, populism is the people’s ground up revolt against institutions, against against government, science, media, against the NGOs, the experts, the academics.
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So what they did is they argued that democracy has to be defended from demagogue demagoguery. Democracy needs guardrails. We need bumper cars on democracy that go beyond what people vote for because people voted for Hitler. People voted for Trump, and they were doing this at US government conferences, by the way, in 2017.
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I can show you some funny ones if you’re interested, but they they were arguing that we need these institutional guardrails against people voting for the wrong person. And those institutional guardrails are so called
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democratic institutions, which is another cute rhetorical
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trick because that’s the CIA’s institutions, which is another cute rhetorical trick because that’s the CIA state department watchword for asset. When we when when USAID, for example, goes in and funds university centers, media outlets, parliamentarian groups, activist groups, legal scholars, you name it in a region.
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They are they are building up their assets to exert soft power influence on that society, on that government in order to influence the passage of laws, the, you know, the the span of operations that they’re doing that that touch the US embassy in the region. And so what they argued is actually democracy is not about the will of individuals. It’s about the consensus of institutions.
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So if if there’s institutional, consensus building between the military, the diplomatic sphere, the intelligence community, the NGOs, the the media outlets, the universities, that’s really democracy. Those are the institutional guardrails, the people who know best. That’s a difficult process, by the way. That’s a process that takes months, years.
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That’s why there are these major consensus building institutions like the Atlanta Council and the Council on Foreign Relations and Wilson Center and the Carnegie Endowment. We have a whole suite of consensus building institutions to bring together the banks, the corporations, the the the government officials, the outside interest so they all get on the same page about a certain policy or initiative or or regional drive or industrial change.
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If at the end of that process, a bunch of people vote for a a a politician because he does funny TikTok videos or he’s got a popular dance and throws a monkey wrench in the that years of those years of consensus building, that they began to view as a as an attack on democracy.
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And so they said democracy is really about institutions, and you can actually look up, for example, Reid Reid Hoffman. In 2019, they were doing all of these conferences where they said elections, are are a threat to democracy. Elections corrupt democracy because we can’t think of democracy’s elections anymore.
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For example, Ukraine has banned elections. We don’t we still call we still say we are providing $300,000,000,000 of military to support to promote democracy in Ukraine even though they don’t have elections. Well, it’s because of the ins it’s controlled by US Institutions. You can look up something called the red lines memo, by the way, on my my account if you’re curious.
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So you say
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that Ukraine no longer has democracy. Essentially, what happened is Zelensky was supposed to leave office, and he did not. Is that what happened?
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Well, they’ve they’ve indefinitely canceled elections. So he is Because of the war? Because of the war is their argument. Now, we had elections during the during the civil war here in the US. This is, this is not uncommon for countries to be at war and still have elections.
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The issue is is Zelensky is unpopular and not winning in those election polls. And we no longer define democracy as being about elections because elections allow populists to circumvent the consensus of institutions. And if you wanna see a great example of this, you can look at the something called the red lines mem red lines memo, which is which is I think I have it near the top of my ex account or you can look for just the phrase red lines memo.
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And you will see Zelensky’s 1st month in office, he was given a threat letter effectively by the US state department where they had they had something like 70 US funded NGOs who wrote a a a letter to Zelensky, in telling him ordering him not to cross the the below listed red lines or else there will be political instability in your country.
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Now political instability in the country caused by the US state department is the reason Zelensky ultimately became president. The 2014 coup in Ukraine was US and UK orchestrated political instability to have a January 6th style mob destabilize the government and literally run it out of the country, and they gave him red lines on every single aspect of what he could do as president.
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Security red lines, cultural red lines, energy policy
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red lines. These red lines? Like, cultural red lines.
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So for
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example, that he could not allow the use of Russian language to be aired on any of the major Ukrainian, media channels. This was this was part of a drive by the US state department in tandem with the censorship work that that started at that same time, in order to prevent the sort of affinity the the sort of Russian affinity network that happens because of Russian propaganda spreading from Russian language news sources and to try to pry the country off of these Russian ethnic faction and and have essentially the the Ukrainian dialogue.
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Response for what happened in Crimea?
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Yes. Yes. And Crimea and and the Donbas, the whole, eastern eastern side breakaway, but this is effectively the long arm of of Langley, the the long arm of of the state department and CIA telling Ukrainians that they can’t what kind of language they can use in their own country.
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Ukraine was effectively forced to transfer over its, you know, its its education ministry to an EU commissioning body so that, you know, Russian adjacent mythologies couldn’t be taught in the country. They were they were told what, you know, what industries they needed to privatize and to block any attempt, you know, to maintain sovereign control of of those, energy assets.
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This is ultimately what gave gave rise to the Burisma scandal, by the way, and the Hunter Biden state department affairs that that ran through all of that, which is which is a whole other fascinating topic, I should add. But the fact is get back to
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that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But but this is this is every aspect of Ukrainian society effectively top down controlled by democratic institutions funded by the US government when it’s stock standard that the only reason we do that, you know, he who calls the piper who who pays the piper calls the tune. They’re being funded to exert this soft power issue.
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Every this this soft power force on the Ukrainian government, and Zelensky knows that force because the only reason he occupies the power that he does is because that force ushered him in through the sequence of events from Yatsenyuk, in 2014, through through up to him. And so the issue is is those are the institutions.
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It by the way, that whole thing was run through something called the Ukraine Crisis Media Center, which which is effectively a a a suite of media institutions in the area that are that are CIA conduits, like the the Kiev Independent, which is funded by the National Endowment For Democracy.
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The National Endowment For Democracy is one of the most pernicious forces in the entirety of the censorship industry, and it you know, you were talking with Marc Andreessen about NGOs and their role in Internet censorship, and, you know, he was, I think, fleshing out sort of the concept of a gongo, a government organized nongovernmental organization.
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And so the National Endowment for Democracy is sort of posited as as an NGO, but it’s got a very curious history. Again, this is what sponsors so much of Ukrainian media. The the National Endowment for Democracy was created in 1983 be because of a dilemma that the new Ronald Reagan administration faced.
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The CIA, at that point in the early eighties, its name was dirt. There were the massive scandals in the 19 sixties to 19 seventies, everything from Operation Mockingbird to MK Ultra to Operation Chaos to effectively bribing student groups on college campuses, all sorts of the the the heart attack gun being held up in a public hearing at the at the church committee in 1975 about ways the CIA was assassinating world leaders and and, and assassinating journalists and political figures using methods that included, you know, a a gun that would make it look like they organically died of a heart attack, all of these things gave rise to to to Jimmy Carter being elected in 1976.
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He was not expected to win in 76, but he won on the back of democrat mass outrage over the malfeasance of the national security state, the CIA. And so the following year, Carter does something called the Halloween massacre. He fire he fires 30% of the CIA’s operations division in a single night, and then he totally cripples the CIA’s budget.
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Reagan gets to power after the Iran hostage situation, wants the CIA’s powers back, but the Democrats were still hugely hostile to it. The public still had not fully forgiven the CIA, and so they came up with a cute trick. And you can actually look at a September 1991 David Ignatius article called Spyless Coups. This is in The Washington Post.
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The the article begins with a, by saying that we don’t even really need to have we don’t really need to even need to nominate, Robert Gates, the the, the the senate the the new CIA director, for you know? We don’t even need to do a senate confirmation hearing for a CIA director anymore because the CIA is effectively made obsolete by its by its new tactic that we use through NGOs spearheaded by the National Endowment for Democracy.
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And you’ll find in that article, you know, a a quote by the National Endowment for Democracy’s founder, who Carl Gershman, where where he explicitly says that it would be a terrible thing for groups supported by the by the US government to be seen as as subsidized by the CIA.
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We did that in the 19 sixties, and it worked out terribly for us when it turned out they were backed by the CIA. That’s why the National Endowment for Democracy was created so that we could do we the CIA could effectively subsidize the, the groups without having CIA fingerprints on it.
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It it you know, if you look at its legislative history where it was passed effectively a bill through congress that that Ronald Reagan approved, the origins of it come from the CIA director William Casey in 1983 working directly with the US attorney general, as well as an entire USAID blueprint, though, the previous year.
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For the for the the CIA requested this to be set up. It’s funded entirely by the US government. It’s officially accountable to the house foreign relations committee and the senate foreign, foreign relations committee. So it’s funded by the government. It’s it’s literally accountable to con to to US congressional committee. It was this the CIA director birthed it.
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The founder acknowledged that they were created to do what the CIA wants to do, but gets in trouble for doing. And we call this an NGO? I don’t think so. And so the issue is is the National For Democracy and the the entire intelligence community was they were the ones who led this conversion from counter communism to counter populism.
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They’re the ones who when Trump won rose to power and when Brexit and the whole, you know, NATO EU country domino started electing right wing populists who were hostile to the foreign policy establishment’s consensus, and a lot of this has to do with energy geopolitics and military interventionism, and we can get to those if you’re if you’re if you wanna go there.
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But the the NED is has its octopus arms around the entirety of the censorship industry. The if you wanna see something really, really crazy, you know, there’s a there’s a video that we can watch. It’s a 2 minute video from one of Ned’s, global censorship programs where they explicitly work with foreign governments to get foreign governments to pass censorship laws to attack US companies.
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So this is the US government funding a CIA cutout to back channel with regulators and influencers in foreign countries to get those foreign countries to crush US national champions in the tech space. This is the exact opposite of what the state department was set up in 17/89 to do.
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Where is this video? How can we see it?
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If you if you if you here you go. You
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got it. Put it up.
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Disinformation has invaded online conversations on social media platforms, posing challenges to healthy information environments and threats to democracy. It bolsters authoritarians, weakens democratic voices and participation, exploits and exacerbates existing social cleavages, and silences opposition.
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Countering disinformation and promoting information integrity are necessary priorities for ensuring democracy can thrive. The SEPs countering disinformation guide is a resource including 9 thematic sections and a comprehensive database of interventions highlighting various approaches for advancing information integrity and strengthening societal resilience to disinformation and other harmful online campaigns.
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The International Foundation For Electoral Systems, International Republican Institute, and National Democratic Institute developed this guide with support from USAID through the Consortium For Elections and Political Process Strengthening. Here are 9 key takeaways from the guide. Addressing disinformation requires a whole of society approach.
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We need to create a sense of urgency to drive collective action for addressing disinformation. Institutions and platforms have the resources to address disinformation, but lack credibility. Whereas civil society has the credibility, but is chronically under resourced. Countering disinformation requires a mix methods approach, including fact checking, monitoring, and other interventions.
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Focusing on major events like election outcomes alone will not achieve a healthy information environment. Developing norms and standards, legal and regulatory frameworks, and better social media content moderation is necessary for a healthy information ecosystem. It is important to establish frameworks to discourage political parties from engaging in disinformation. Not sure where to start?
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Click here to explore the interventions database of organizations, projects, and donors working to counter disinformation around the world.
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Woah. They’re in a 140 countries. It’s entirely funded by the US government. It’s it’s, I can I can break this down in detail? So so this SEPS program is basically in large part the reason that the Brazil censorship state was was erected. I mean, this came a little bit later in the game, but it’s it’s a spawn out of this Ned censorship network, this explicitly created by the CIA director, self confessed effectively, CIA cut out.
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What what what SEPS does is they manage in a an umbrella portfolio of all of these censorship institutions that they’ve capacity built in a region. So capacity building is a is a is a phrase in statecraft that effectively means building up an asset so that it has the capability to to be instrumentalized by the US state department.
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So, for example, whenever we’re trying to do something in a foreign country, the first thing we do is we look at the state of the chessboard. What assets are on our side there? What political groups? What demographic groups? What religious groups? What what political parties? What universities? What what media institutions?
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What capacities do they currently have? What capacities do they need but don’t have? And that is where the flood of state department and USAID and Ned Funding comes into capacity build them so that they can be instruments of US statecraft. Now it doesn’t mean they always use those capacities.
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Sometimes we create those capacities even if we don’t intend to use them right away just in case we might need them later, and I can that’s a whole other fascinating field. But but so what what SEFS does is it’s a joint program by the US State Department, USAID, and the National Down For Democracy.
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Now now USAID is, you know, a a very no it’s it’s sort of a switch player. There’s no aid in in USAID, by the way. That’s your brain is being tricked when you see the phrase USAID. It’s not an aid organization. The aid in USAID stands for agent US Agency For International Development.
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It is developing internationally around the world all of the institutions that the state department needs to use. So when they are capacity building activist groups in a foreign country, that’s because the state department wants those activists there. Now USAID for the first time in its history, it was created in the early 19 sixties by JFK 1961.
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It was it was created because you had all of this intelligence, statecraft, and military support and logistical aid that was tripping over itself, basically. The military would be funding, you know, would be running aid to certain groups in the region. The state department would be running aid to certain groups in the region.
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The intelligence community would and there was no way there was no sort of central coordinator of those of those capacity building operations. So USAID, by the way, is a $50,000,000,000 budget. The entirety of the intelligence community is only 72,000,000,000. So it is as more than the CIA and more than the state department. Wow.
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And aid is basically a USAID is effectively a switch player to to assist the Pentagon with with on the national security front, to assist the state department on the national interest front, or to assist the intelligence community on a on a sort of clandestine operations front.
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So you can look up funny moments, by the way, in in USAID being a CIA front. Basically, to try to get a free speech Internet, a free speech Twitter knock off in Cuba at a time when Twitter in 2014 was was restricted. And USAID laundered money that was earmarked for Pakistan in order to create a identical version of Twitter, but just for Cuba and to recruit them using messaging, that and at first involve music, sports, and hurricane updates.
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And then in their own documents, once they had accumulated about a 100000 users, they would start to feed them in the algorithm, messaging to make them want to overthrow their government and form smart mobs to to bring a Cuban spring to Cuba in the same way that the CIA, the state department, and USA pulled off the Arab spring in Tunisia and Egypt in 2011, 2012.
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By the way, I’m not even opining on whether this is good or bad, but you can’t bring that home and you can’t target US companies like like they’ve done like they’ve done here. But so so USAID provides most of the money. The state department provides the policy vision for this CEPs censorship program, and Ned does the technical implementation work.
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Now you saw in that video, there were 2 organizations that were that were listed. It didn’t say they were the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute, IRI and NDI. These are the 2 political branches of the National Down For Democracy. When this CIA cut out was set up in 1983, they set up their their 4 core fours. 1 of them the the first two are the political cores.
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The IRI, the Republican the GOP wing of the CIA, effectively, the NDI, the Democrat party wing of the CIA, and then and then 2 others, one called the Center For International Private Enterprise, which is this which is the Chamber of Commerce. It’s basically the CIA liaising with multinational companies with our big US national champions.
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And then the the fourth one is called the Solidarity Center, which is the CIA’s work with unions, which is which has been a part and parcel of our CIA work since the 19 forties. And so you have but these two political branches of the of the National Down For Democracy are designed to basically gel to, both sides of the political aisle to make sure they have support for CIA activity in a region.
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And so this for example, there was a split on Russia between the GOP and and the the DNC up until Ukraine in 2014. You may recall in 2012, there was that debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama over Russia policy where Mitt Romney was flanking Obama from his sort of hawkish Russia right.
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He was saying, Obama, you’re, you know, you’re soft on Russia. You’re letting Vladimir Putin, you know, get everything he wants in in Eastern Europe. And Obama’s response was the 19 eighties called. They want their foreign policy back. Because at the time, it was primarily the GOP economic stakeholders whose energy investments were being sabotaged by Russian activity in Georgia and Azerbaijan.
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It hadn’t yet hit the NDI network, the c I the the DNC side of the economics until Ukraine in 2014. That was when there became a bipartisan consensus on the need to effectively go to war and launch this big energy sanctions operation against Russia. And so there’s that so that’s who’s running that SEPS program. It’s it’s both sides of the political aisle, but both of them hate Trump.
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Both of them hate populists, whether it’s in the US in with Trump Bolsonaro in Brazil and, again, the whole suite of EU countries that we just talked about, and they descended on Brazil just 2 weeks after Bolsonaro was elected in 2018. The Atlantic Council and and NED held all these meetings about how Bolsonaro only won because of basically social media.
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Social media and end to end encrypted chats like WhatsApp and Telegram, and that we need to basically stop Bolsonaro’s presidency in its tracks and stop him from getting reelected by creating a censorship infrastructure in Brazil that is powerful and and institutionally as wide and and deep as our other black work.
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So NDI, which I should note, Hunter Biden was on the chairman’s advisory board of NDI, the DNC CIA wing. So if if anyone is a little curious as to why the CIA intervened on the justice department investigation, Folks remember the IRS wanted to question Kevin Morris, Hunter Biden’s lawyer, who paid his taxes for 5 years, and then the the CIA intervened and told them, do not, you know, do not look into who is funding Hunter Biden.
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I find it curious that the CIA’s DNC branch, Hunter Biden was on the chairman’s advisory board. But so NDI sets up this this sprawl of coalitions called d four d, Design For Democracy. And Design For Democracy, in tandem with this SEPS program, goes on to work with the the censorship court, Demetrius, the the censorship Voldemort on their, their TSE court.
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There’s the, basically, the election management and and censorship body of their supreme court. This is the the guy who has gone to war with Elon Musk. They help that that censorship court set up a disinformation task force, and their own institutional assets get put on the advisory committee of the of the Brazilian censorship court to direct the censorship policies of that of the same the same institution that banned x from Brazil that seized Starlink’s assets.
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They worked with the universities, the FGB, DAP, and and other very significant, Brazilian universities. They set up disinformation centers in there and got academic thought leadership published in Brazil about the need to pass miss anti misinformation laws. Their own NDI, fellows and and operatives were publicly testifying to the Brazilian parliament on the need to pass these laws.
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They were publicly speaking to the prosecutors, association groups in Brazil telling them they need to prosecute misinformation on this. They were funding 1,000,000 of dollars to Brazilian media institutions to promote Internet censorship and and to and to promote the banning effectively of any pro Bolsonaro content on social media or on end to end encrypted chats.
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The USAID then kicked in 1,000,000 of dollars of funding to Internews, which is another US government funded media projection arm to promote media literacy programs, information integrity programs, countering mis and disinformation programs in Brazil. So at every level, Brazilian media companies, they partner with Globo, for example, the largest, the the largest media outlet in Brazil.
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The the media institutions, the universities and thought leaders, the politicians, the judges, it was full spectrum. It was the same thing that that we do when we try to regime change a country. By the way, this is in USAID’s charter. This is one of the reasons they’re able to get away with this.
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In USAID’s charter, it allows USAID to capacity build assets to do so called judiciary reform, which means influencing the laws and the structure of the judges and, to to be able to have our foreign aid money, get laws passed, or get, structural changes made to the, made to the court system there, and this is what SEPS did.
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This state department CIA front censorship organization, they they developed a strategy they called EMBs, election management bodies, which is basically focusing in on the court system of different countries that are they’re in charge with adjudicating elections in order to get them to grow a censorship capacity to censor the ability for people to question their elections.
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And and they’ve had all these stakeholder meetings. Some of them are really funny. Some of them, they said, well, some of our EMB partners didn’t want to actually, didn’t think they they could pull this off. They couldn’t convince the other political stakeholders in their country to grow this censorship capacity, and they advised them about how they could cleverly use rhetoric to disguise the programs.
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Don’t call it a counter disinformation program if you think that’ll ruffle too many feathers. Instead, simply call it strategic communications and because every listen. Every every government agency has some sort of public affairs branch, some sort of communications, capacity.
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Simply say that this is for monitoring and engaging in strategic communications, and then you can mass flag the accounts of the US State Department’s political opponents. They wanna stop from winning the election.
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Jesus. This is why, you know, when you’re saying it’s gonna be insanely difficult and Trump’s gonna face so many headwinds trying to unravel all this stuff, Like, it’s the there’s so many organizations, and there’s so many people involved, and there’s so many countries that are in lockstep.
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Because we waited too long. We waited too long, and now look. It’s it’s not full blown. This has not yet reached full maturity where where we are at complete 1984 on on all of this, but it is no longer in its infant stage. There was if if Elon had a if if congress was aware of that’s that CISA, that cybersecurity branch at DHS, was the real ministry of truth in 2019 instead of 2022, if people were aware of the State Department’s Global Engagement Center and USAID’s democracy, human rights, and governance, and the all all of this, you know, in 2018, 2019 when it was really getting its its feet down, it may have been easy to have been pulled out at the roots then because they were skittish at the time about going through with this at first.
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You heard in that in that video that we just watched a reference to this phrase called whole of society. Yeah. This is another funny, you know, funny video. If you if you wanna just pull up the if if you’re interested, Jamie, and if you think, Joe, this is appropriate, I I could have made this a 6 hour supercut.
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But if you just I I made a 2 hour supercut of of if you just look at whole of society supercut on my on my ex account, you’ll you’ll see this. And this phrase is their get out jail free card. So when these CIA cutouts and state department emissaries and and, you know, the whole apparatus of the blob had this apparition moment in 2016 where the rules based international order would collapse and we have to stop populism, we have to stop Trump from, you know, ending our seizure Asia foreign policy.
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When when that when that happened, they had a lot of self reflection where they said China doesn’t have this problem. Russia doesn’t have this problem. Authoritarian countries don’t have to deal with the threat of insurgent populist groups, you know, radically altering that country’s foreign policy, that country’s national security state, but they do it all top down.
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And we have our entire diplomatic apparatus is arrayed as a sort of dichotomy between democracy and autocracy because that’s what lets us go over go and take over or overthrow or regime change foreign countries is they’re autocracies, and we’re bringing democracy to them. So we can’t be seen to look like the autocracies we’re trying to overthrow.
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We want the we want the autocratic outcome with a, but we don’t we can’t be seen to use the autocorrect process. So they came up with a really cute trick to prevent the top down perception, and they called this the whole of society counter misinformation framework, the whole society counter misinformation alliance.
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And the reason I thought it would be funny to just play this clip before delving into a little bit more is because it actually starts, with a clip from CISA, the cybersecurity turned cyber, censorship DHS, internal meeting where the guy where the CISA, censorship official leading leading the meeting apologizes for using the phrase whole society because by by that point, everyone is so sick of hearing it.
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It’s like a mantra, like an incantation that they that they’re that has to be recited almost like a religious ritual because this is how you get this government, private sector, civil society, media alliance. This thing was completely orchestrated top down to avoid the appearance of top down in 2017.
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They borrowed this concept from their military counterinsurgency work, and they simply grafted it onto censorship. But I don’t know. Do do you wanna just, like, watch this in a as
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I haven’t found it yet. I’m sorry.
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If you if you just look for the phrase whole of society at Mike Ben cyber I did. It it okay. You could also I
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found a lot of his people talking about it.
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Well, if you go to in my highlights tab in in scroll down, I think you’ll you’ll see it there. It’s a it’s a supercut. I use the phrase supercut if that’s helpful to to highlight it. But whole society is this concept that the government will fund allies to astroturf the appearance of a spontaneous, democratic, surround sound around the need to do the censorship work.
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So the so there are 4 quadrants in their whole society framework. Government meaning all the different government they’ve they have a whole of government side of that, which is everything from the state department, the DHS, HHS for COVID censorship work, you know, FBI, DOJ, National Science Foundation, all that.
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The private sector are the private sector companies, the social media tech platforms where the censorship actually takes place. The civil society quadrant means university censorship centers, count disinformation studies is what they call it, misnomer of the century. But, but so they’ve there’s now about a 100 US universities. Every major US university has a censorship center. Whether it’s it’ll be called disinformation studies.
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Sometimes it’ll be tucked under their sociology department or their communications, even if they’re applied physics when they do, AI censorship. So you have the in the civil society layer, you have the universities, the NGOs, the activist groups, the, the the, you know, independent nonprofit foundations.
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And then the 4th quadrant is media, which is the government working with media to promote censorship of US citizens. And so by by effectively wielding all these assets so that there’s government funding and government coordination, but, technically, most of the pressure being put on the tech companies is coming from yeah.
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Here you go. You can just watch. Just it’s like a funny supercut. We only need to watch the whole thing, but you’ll get the picture very quickly.
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And and we hear this term all the time.
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A problem like disinformation, fighting disinformation really requires a whole society response. And I know whole society is a little bit cliche and and a term that gets thrown around a lot.
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Addressing disinformation requires a whole of society approach.
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Disinformation is not going to be fixed, by governments acting alone. I think, we’ve seen that a whole society effort, is really key to the solution.
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There are some countries, more so in Europe or or up in in in in other parts of North America, that are more progressive in recognizing that this is a whole of society challenge.
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A whole of society approach, and what would be your wish list if you if you could if you could implement anything. Or to be able to trust when somebody tells them it’s fake. Is there anything that governments can do on that front? Absolutely. This is a whole of society problem.
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So there’s things that governments can do, you know, individual national governments and and multilateral institutions.
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Disinformation challenges
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of
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democracy require that we work together as a community to share our experiences and to hold governments, social media platforms, and political leaders accountable for making sure that people are empowered with information that is real and accurate. Democracy depends on a healthy information space that can only be achieved through a whole of society effort.
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Countering disinformation. We often talk about a whole of society response. Of course, we need
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Disinformation. A whole of society approach. I wanna get into the, quote, whole of society response, the whole of society network response, private sector, public sector, civil society,
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means that we’re circulating. And that to me is the whole of society approach.
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I think the solution has to be whole of society, which is the word that we throw around a lot, especially in venues like these. Right? We need cooperation from the tech platforms, good faith cooperation and enforcement of term terms of service. But we also need people in the government who are willing to say, yes. This is a problem, and it’s not just about foreign actor.
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Okay. So so a few things on that. If you remember the SEPS video, the the CIA front Ned program to get censorship laws in a 140 countries. If you remember, there was this one of those nine things they read off is that the US government needs to capacity build these counter misinformation institutions in civil society because the government has the money and the resources, but not the credibility.
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Civil society organizations, the universities, the NGOs, they’ve got the credibility, but not the money. So that that that’s part of what they’re saying here with the the role of this civil society is they can’t be the government can’t be seen as telling everyone to do all of this censorship because that’s authoritarian.
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That would look not credible. That would look authoritarian for the government to do. So we’ve got the muscle and the money, but not the credibility. Our cutout organizations have the credibility, but not the money in the muscle, so we’re gonna give them the money in the muscle.
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And so I can I can show you? If you wanna see what this looks like in action, I can show you some some great videos that sort of show this. So, if you if you just look up Wyzedex, it’s in my highlights. It’s also if you just do at Mike Ben Cyber Wyzedex. Gonna show you a a couple of of of things of how this, how this works.
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So if if when when Jamie’s able to pull that up, so
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What is you’re saying WiseDex?
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WiseDex, w I s e d e x. Dex. Mhmm. And so Trump did something really ambitious when he when he was president at the National Science Foundation. The National Science Foundation is, is the main funder of higher education in the United States. It’s a $10,000,000,000 pool of money that goes to fund university centers, and it is sort of the civilian arm of DARPA.
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It’s technically, you know, a a sort of civilian, you know, foundation for science, but if you look at its history, it basically has a, it’s it’s it’s when military technology becomes dual use for commercial and civilian purposes. So, for example, the Internet itself started off as DARPA in the sixties, Then it was transferred to the National Science Foundation for civilian, effectively management, then then it made its way to the World Wide Web.
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That’s why the National Science Foundation has a, like, a 15% quota on national security related projects, and that’s and all the technical implementers of the censorship programs at the National Science Foundation come come from DARPA, including this that that I’m gonna show here.
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But but so Trump created this thing in what in his first term at the National Science Foundation called the Convergence Accelerator Program. And the idea was is that we were going to converge scientists from different fields to solve these home run swing challenges like, you know, cold fusion and, and, you know, all the, you know, quantum mechanics challenges that required physicists to talk to data scientists and network modelers and bringing them all together so that all they call it converge on a com com problem.
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So we set up about 5 of these tracks, in, like, 2019. Biden gets into office. His 1st year in office, his National Science Foundation creates a new track. It’s called track f. And the whole thing is is it’s for its is for countering misinformation to converge scientists on developing censorship technology to censor the Internet at scale.
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So so they have spent tens of 1,000,000 of dollars. This this this one that we’re about to watch, was eligible for $5,700,000 from the National Science Foundation. It received $750,000 from the National Science Foundation to create this. This is the promo video that they put up on YouTube in connection with their with their grant.
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So and so I’ll just let it play, and then I’ll
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Posts that go viral on social media can reach millions of people. Unfortunately, some posts are misleading. Social media platforms have policies about harmful misinformation. For example, Twitter has a policy against posts that say authorized COVID vaccines will make you sick.
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When something is mildly harmful, platforms attach warnings like this one that points readers to better information. Really bad things they remove. But before they can enforce, platforms have to identify the bad stuff and they miss some of it. Actually, they miss a lot especially when the posts aren’t in English.
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To understand why, let’s consider how platforms usually identify bad posts. There are too many posts for a platform to review everything. So first, a platform flags a small fraction for review. Next, human reviewers act as judges determining which flag posts violate policy guidelines.
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If the policies are too abstract, both steps flagging and judging can be difficult. WiseDex helps by translating abstract policy guidelines into specific claims that are more actionable. For example, the misleading claim that the COVID 19 vaccine suppresses a person’s immune response. Each claim includes keywords associated with the claim in multiple languages.
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For example, a Twitter search for negative efficacy yields tweets that promote the misleading claim. A search on efficacy negativa yields Spanish tweets promoting that same claim. The trust and safety team at a platform can use those keywords to automatically flag matching posts for human review.
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WiseDex harnesses the wisdom of crowds as well as AI techniques to select keywords for each claim and provide other information in the claim profile. For human reviewers, a WiseDex browser plugin identifies misinformation claims that might match the post. The reviewer then decides which matches are correct.
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A much easier task than deciding if posts violate abstract policies. Reviewer efficiency.
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So so COVID 19 was essentially like a proof of concept of all this. Right? Like, this is, this is something they could utilize and see how everything works because you have this sort of consensus among most people because of the media narrative that this is dangerous. We’re all gonna die. The thing that’s fucking us up is these people who are vaccine deniers and these people who are believing things that are ridiculous like natural immunity.
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And so we you have, like, a a public support of this thing to go full scale where they they can try it out with COVID 19 where there was no real specific narratives that we thought of wholly as problematic as a society before COVID 19. COVID 19 became one that at least a large swath of society believed the narrative that’s being given to you by corporate news, and this was a thing that they could combat on social media and have support for this type of censorship.
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They had already begun doing it for hate speech before COVID 19. It didn’t hit the scale, though, but they were already using hate speech as a proxy for populism both in the US and across NATO to to and they were conflating everything with hate speech, basically. You know, if you opposed open borders in the US or in Italy or in Germany or in the UK.
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In fact, that’s that’s why the US justice department funded Hate Lab. You wanna see another crazy video from all this? Not saying we have to pull it up. This Let’s
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pull it up.
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Yeah. Fuck it. Yep. Look at look up the hate lab, their their video, on the their AI scan and band dashboard for And all
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of this is just a large scale implementation of censorship. Yes. They’re just using all these different things to get people accustomed to it and to try to start using this full scale.
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Yes. Actually, before we go to the hate lab, I I do wanna dwell on this COVID thing for a second because that’s that’s exactly right. On what we just watched with Wisestex, just coming back to this whole society concept. So this is the National Science Foundation. The administrators for this are both DARPA guys.
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It is it is funding the University of Michigan to create an AI censorship claims database so that the censorship policies that that the Biden administration strong armed onto these social media companies as we know from Mark Zuckerberg and others to adopt in the first place so that there’s no escape.
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There’s every claim that a COVID vaccine skeptic says will be mapped out in a sort of, you know, lexicon code book of terms and claims that will then be automatically flagged, and this the National Science Foundation does not want to be seen as having the government tell the the private sector companies to do it.
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So it is capacity building a civil society nonprofit, the, a University of Michigan disinformation lab, to create this AI censorship technology to then sell to the social media platforms to make sure there’s no escape to for in terms of be the ability to criticize government policy on COVID without getting censored.
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But just to drive home that point on on COVID censorship, this is something that I think is is really terrifying that the people should should be aware of. There’s there’s a company called Graphika, which which figures very heavily in all of the censorship industry. If you if you pull up Graphika’s April 2020 report on, on on COVID and COVID conspiracy theories.
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It’s also on my timeline if you look up the the word graphika. It’s graphika. Graphika is a is a is a long time military contractor that did social media monitoring, surveillance, and analytics work for the US military and intelligence in order to see what narratives opposition you know, various political movements or insurgent groups are saying on social media.
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They were formally a part of the Pentagon’s Minerva Initiative. The Minerva Initiative is the psychological operations research center of the Pentagon. When the Pentagon is trying to do information shaping operations and they solicit propositions and ideas and thought leadership from outside organizations to help the military achieve psychological operations outcomes that are favorable, to the intended military policy.
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So Graphika has gotten over $7,000,000 in Pentagon grants. It was formerly a part of the Pentagon’s Psychological Operations Research Center, and Graphika was one of the very first entities to begin, this this censorship around the world of COVID 19. Given the strange unresolved role of the Pentagon in potentially giving rise to COVID 19 or the this, you know, the strangeness of the DARPA grants, around there in the military networks, around the biosecurity state.
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Graphica began their work in before COVID 19 even got its name. They started in their own source documents, they say they started December 16th. The the the pneumonia like symptoms did not begin into were were December 12th 2019, so just 4 days after. Now they’ve said later that, actually, we started in January 2020, but we backdated our data, our AI, you know, ingestion of all the tweets and Facebook posts in January 2020.
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So even if you accept that, that is still just 1 month after COVID broke out. And if you pull this if you pull up their their April 2020 report, you will see that they’ve they’ve literally scanned. Yeah. This is the one. And and I I have a highlighted version of it, by the way, on my, on on my ex account as well if if but but so if you if you if you scroll up so so if you let’s just see.
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If you start on page 1, I’ll sort of walk you through this. So, again, this is a Pentagon funded psychological operations research arm of the Pentagon. And you’ll see, like, the you know, it’s called the COVID 19 infodemic. It gets so they published this in April 2020 after COVID got its name, but they started this before it did.
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And if if you scroll if you scroll down to, I think, page 5 here, you’ll see you’ll see. So this is, by the way, a a an AI generated network map of all people expressing, skepticism about the origins of COVID in different different conspiracy theories. So if you scroll down to page 5, it says a key analytical habits of these maps. Okay.
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So you’ll see that they, so, similarly, large mega clusters of US right wing accounts were diminishing the the mainstreaming of the coronavirus conversation. If you scroll down to the next one, you see they’ve dedicate coronavirus mis disinformation map seeded on disinformation specific hashtags, reels that conservative groups have a larger total presence of COVID heterodox opinions.
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This is right at the outbreak. 1 month, you know, into it, a Pentagon funded psyops firm, is is doing political mapping, not in the US, in the UK, in in Italy. So the so they found that disproportionately, it’s it’s conservatives who need to be censored more. If you just scroll down through this, I’ll show you some highlights.
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What was this in regard
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this was disinformation in regard to the origin at
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this point? Yes. So and you can run a control f.
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Which is wild that they were already countering when the origin was not really disclosed yet. Exactly. And you’ll It’s still being debated.
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Right. And you’ll see they even so again, this is the Pentagon creating network mass. We’re paying for this effectively to protect the political the online reputation of Bill Gates and George Soros. You’ll see they have a whole section on if you just wanna a control f for Gates or Soros, you’ll see this as well.
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But you you’ll see that they map these different conspiracy. How much would Bill Gates or George Soros need to pay a cloak and dagger public relations shop to scour the entire Internet and create targetable, sensible demographic communities that social media should censor in order to protect their reputation.
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This is us paying the Pentagon to pay a psyops firm to protect the reputation of Bill Gates and George Soros from conspiracy theories online. And they did the same thing with COVID origins. They did the same thing with with vaccines. The same group graphica was a part of something called the Virality Project, which, you know, had which mapped out 66 different claims of if you questioned COVID vaccine efficacy, if you question masks and their efficacy, if you if you question policies around around lockdowns, all of that was systematically mapped.
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All 4 of the entities involved in Virality Project, by the way, were US government funded in terms of at their at the organizational level. University of Stanford and the University of Washington, who were 2 of those 4, received a joint $3,000,000 grant from the National Science Foundation, which again is this basically, civilian side of DARPA.
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The, you know, Graphica has received 7,000,000 in Pentagon funds, and then the, you know, the nastiest one of them all is this group that the Atlantic Council, which has, which gets annual funding over over $1,000,000 a year from the Pentagon, over $1,000,000 a year from the state department.
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It also gets annual funding from the CIA cutout national down for democracy. It gets annual funding from USAID. Basically, every web of US cloak and dagger intelligence and and diplomatic funding funds the Atlantic Council every year. The Atlantic Council has 7 CIA directors on its on its board of directors.
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A lot of people don’t know 7 former number 1 heads of the CIA are still alive, let alone all locally clustered on the exact organization, which is the premier heavyweight in Internet censorship around the world. And the Atlantic Council and
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I can show you some wild clips of
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that, by the way, including them training journalists on what to censor. And
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I need to see that.
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Yeah. Okay. So if you
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pull up, if you can find this also if you look for on Rumble, NATO training journalists. You’ll you’ll see that.
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Is Rumble the only way place you can put that up right now?
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No. I I have it on my ex account. I actually have a 45 minute video. I have a 45 minute video that goes through it and all the supporting receipts that’s got, I think, almost 3,000,000 views right now, but there’s a 2 minute there’s like a 2 to 4 minute video. If you look at Atlantic Council, censorship journalists or the videos and I can tell you that the source video is called I call bullshit.
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01:22:42
This was in this was in Jill, June 2019 right on the heels of the Bob Mueller investigation. The Atlantic Council, again, with 7 CIA directors on its board and annual funding from the State Department Pentagon does this, this 360 meeting where they bring in journalists and fact checkers from all over the world to come to this you know, I mean, it looks like something straight out doctor Strangelove.
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And, Jamie, let me know if you have you have trouble pulling it up because I can,
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please send me down to me adding
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what you added,
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pulled up what
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you were talking about on other podcasts. That’s not what I’m looking for, so I have to
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It’s definitely I I think it’s definitely searchable easily on on Rob Black. I should want to load this up, but, the the and I can I can tell you the exact, if you just look it’s called I Call Bullshit is what it was by, Ben Nimmo, the Atlantic Council?
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I’ll just show you what I’m seeing because every time I type in what you’re saying, it just brings up you talk Oh,
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okay. Okay. How about how about how about Atlantic Council? Atlantic Council journalists. Or training. Yeah. Journalists. Oh, turn to? Yeah. Oh.
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I know it’s now.
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Oh, yeah. I think you need yeah.
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This
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is still this is still probably gonna bring up what you talked about on other ones, though.
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There you go. That that’s the top one. Okay. So so here you go.
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Censorship training session.
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Yes. So can I can I tell you a little backstory on this real real quick? Trump
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tweets, Brexit slogans. Mhmm.
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Yeah.
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Give me some background words.
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So if you pause wait. If you if you pause right there on the, on the thumbnail, if you just see it real quick. Okay. So I found this video in 2019. You know, my like, my whole life has been 247 morning, noon, night tracking, watching. I I know these people closer than my own friends and family.
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This is, you know, I I found this video, I think, at around the 5 or 6 hour mark of of a day 2 of I found this, I think, at 5 or 6 hour mark of a 9 hour video in in June 2019, where this this is basically the month before the Bob Mueller investigation, and they they wanted to precensor and and throttle Trump’s ability to be able to fight off charges that he was a Russian asset.
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01:25:03
Because at the time, the Pentagon and the intelligence community want him out. If you remember the Ukraine impeachment in 2019 came from Sierra Morella, the, you know, the CIA, agent came from the Vindman Brothers, who were the military. Basically, Trump had a big beef with the existing brass of the Pentagon and the intelligence community over Russia policy, over Eurasia policy, which is a whole thing that we can maybe talk about it if you’re if you’re interested.
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But so the Atlantic Council was was one of the very, very, very first movers in the censorship industry space. I I I mentioned how this really started in 2014 with, 25 years of free speech diplomacy sort of ended with the 2014 Ukraine fiasco because of this Gerasimov doctrine hybrid warfare thing, and I mentioned that that’s when NATO began setting down infrastructure just to censor the Internet.
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That’s what snowballed into what we now have. And so the Atlantic Council effectively bills itself as NATO’s think tank. That’s what it’s known as in Washington. You know, there’s, you know, the places like the Council on Foreign Relations are sort of more known for Chamber of Commerce and big business sort of working on on government policy.
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The Atlantic Council is one of these that’s for NATO, and it’s basically NATO’s clandestine civilian sort of civil military arm. When there’s a NATO military agenda that needs massaging at the political level, they need laws passed, they need sanctions put put in place. They need capacity building to on the civilian side to help a military thing.
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That’s what the Atlantic Council primarily does, and I’m not even opining on whether much of what they do. I’m not even saying good or bad organization, but they set up something called the Digital Forensics Research Lab right at, you know, basically right on the heels of the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine counter coup, and it was one of the earliest NATO US military, liaised Internet censorship shops that targeted populist, governments, Trump, you know, the the whole UK, Italy, Germany, Spain network that I talked about, Bolsonaro, right out the gate.
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And so this video was, again, right before Russia gate ended and they were so they thought they could put Trump in prison with this. And this was a training session that they did for journalists and fact checkers in June 2019. You’ll see this session is called is an interactive session.
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It’s called I Call Bullshit. And by the way, Ben Nimmo, he’s at the Atlantic Council in this one, but, he goes on shortly after this to, be effectively the technical lead for Graphica, the same Pentagon.
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So and
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by the way, he had started his career as in the NATO, press shop, basically doing, you know, media work for NATO. Then he goes over and, again, we fund all of this, but let’s just watch and we’ll show you this. Oh, if you I think
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who works in this space will, I think, acknowledge that in any information operation, it’s not just lies. You take a grain of truth and they will build a pearl of disinformation around it. When we’re in this space, there isn’t a simple binary true or false. There are all kinds of shades of meaning in between.
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Now, there are various different ways of modeling how you can identify the ways in which people are trying to twist the story.
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Wait for it. This gets good.
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Because it’s short and because frankly, I developed it, is the 4 d’s. Dismiss, distort, distract, and dismay. These are the four responses that we see time and again.
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Not false.
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None of
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these are false.
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Like us.
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How can we get censored anyway?
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Very comfortable evidence. All of you should have some
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of these cards on the table. If you don’t look on another table and steal one that’s not being used, because these are gonna help get our attention. We are going to go through a set of slides showing quotes from different organizations and individuals who are using certain rhetorical devices to make their argument.
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And so if you go through all of them, at least one of these 4 will apply. Again, dismiss, distort, distract, dismay. Everyone say it with me.
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Dismiss Jesus Christ.
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Distort, distract, dismay. Excellent. You’re welcome to scream I call bullshit too if you’re comfortable, but we’re it’s not This
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is all
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funded by US taxpayers.
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01:29:29
So with that, let’s play.
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Witch hunt.
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How can you censor the sitting president
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If you gotta keep it in there keep it in the air
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arguing that what he said is disinformation. How can you tell the tech platforms that that tweet is disinformation?
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Thank you. Get
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creative.
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Well, it’s obviously, it can be any number of the d’s. It you can say it’s distorting what they’re saying or distracting them from whatever the issue is saying. The issue isn’t real. They’re just after me because as their witches and it’s evil, I’m the injured party here. So it could be a whole lot of them.
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Trump’s got a nice range when it comes to disinformation.
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Does anyone have a number one pick that they would like to mention related to this one? They said dismissed. Yes. What do you
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Dismissed.
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Dismissed? Yeah.
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Are the voices How many of you think dismissed? Raise your card, please. I think we’re onto something here. Yeah.
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Yeah. Absolutely. So you’re right that underneath that attempt, there are, you know, he’s twisting the story. He’s accusing somebody else of the same thing. Right? But the main thing is what he’s saying is like, don’t listen to them because it’s a witch hunt. So that was our first one. Alright. Number 2.
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Getting topical here.
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Pro Brexit.
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When you have an idea.
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This is a Brexit ad saying we should be spending the money on our own national health system instead of funding the you. Distort.
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Any other takers? Any suggestions? Well, let’s ask.
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How many of you think this one has distort involved?
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Jesus Christ.
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Okay. That’s a lot. Any other
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This seems so happy to comply.
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To mention? We’ve got a big hand over here. Let’s, oh, were you just you just kept your hand up? Her hand goes back down. Are there any others or are
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we just going to stick with that one?
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Yes, ma’am. Right here. Distract.
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From the
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NHS. Ah, okay. So for those who couldn’t hear, it’s also distract because it’s trying to focus attention on the NHS rather than the vote itself.
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Yep. So okay.
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One more example of
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So this this goes on, but what you’ll see is this is the exact political adversary group that the that the intelligence, diplomatic, and military structure is trying to stop. Donald Trump, Brexit in in the UK, and, you know, if if you ever wondered why is it that everyone got all on board and suddenly start doing this altogether, they were literally having years of these consensus building that You wanna get your career made if you’re at the Poynter Institute or the International Fact Checking Union or if you’re on the disinformation beat for the Washington Post or NPR or Le Monde in France or the Frankfurt algemeiner in Germany, you get your bona fides by going to these and you get effectively accredited by the blob, and they are we’re literally training people to to find creative ways to mass flag.
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You can’t even run a Brexit ad saying, hey. We should be spending $350,000,000 on ourselves rather than the EU. That’s disinformation. Not false. They’re saying
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Right.
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Right. It’s not false. There’s any number of ways that we can use to put pressure on the tech platforms to call this disinformation. You’re hosting disinformation simply because it’s not the agenda item that that we want here. And, again, there’s 7 CIA directors currently on the board of of that organization, those placards reading I Call Bullshit were paid for by us.
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It’s just wild to watch everybody happily comply enthusiastically, try to find ways that this makes any sense with no one having a counternarrative, No one standing up and go, wait wait a minute. Who’s to decide? What it what if it turns out it is and it was a witch hunt? Now we know. All that Russiagate stuff was a 100% bullshit. Right.
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So he was correct.
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Right. But remember, the Mueller Mueller disaster wouldn’t happen till just the following month.
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Right.
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So at the time, they thought, you know, oh, great. If we can get him censored around calling this a witch hunt, then once the findings come in, he’s gonna be cornered. He won’t even be able to defend himself. It’ll be like a Internet gag order.
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Right. Headline readers and low information voters overwhelmingly believed it.
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Right. Now I should note that it I mean, this is nothing Elon was a huge game changer on. A lot of these people did not begin to sort of navel gaze and self reflect on this until there was political and social blowback. The fact is is, there were a lot of these people who in 2017, 2018 were looking around at these I’ve just I mean, I’ve watched thousands of hours of these, you know, consensus building meetings.
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They they literally you know, they there would be some debate in 2017 about whether or not we should do this tactic or whether or not, you know, this goes too far. And I I watched as as these people basically let those early inhibitions go as the thing took wings and as the money poured in because that’s why I always emphasize the censorship industry.
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If you if you get rid of the money, you get rid of the glamour, you get rid of the career track, you get rid of the the power, you get rid of the networks, and so to me, it’s it’s in fact is is if if these people could not have their careers made by doing this, they wouldn’t be pursuing those careers.
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But when Elon arrived on the scene and congress began to take action and media began to report on it and the Twitter file spilled open and the Murphy Missouri lawsuit spearheaded by the Missouri and Louisiana state attorney generals, you know, put this in the court system in America First Legal, Stephen Miller and Gina Hamilton’s group, began to I mean, it wasn’t really until there started to be a whole society freedom network on the other side of this that that the moral, ambivalences that were expressed in the beginning began to reassert themselves.
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And there I think there is some self reflection on that. You know, it’s funny. In in 2022, Harvard wrote this piece. I I covered it at my foundation. It was called, disinformation studies is too big to fail. And, they they made the argument. This is right before the bottom fell out on this stuff.
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September, October 2022, Harvard misinformation review, disinformation studies is too big to fail. They made the argument, we’ve arrived. It took a while. In the beginning of it, they say the catalyst for this entire field was the 2016 election. Basically, we created this entire spanning octopus of of censorship work because Trump won the election in 2016. Now it’s 2022.
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We’ve gone on challenge for 6 years, and now if they wanna get rid of us, they can’t. They were making the argument that they were basically like Citibank after the you know, during the 2008, 2009 financial crisis, that they were simply a bank that’s too big to fail because now they are so deeply ingrained in the media disinformation beat.
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They’re so deeply ingrained in the private sector interstitials working with all the trust and safety people at every platform. They’re so deeply funded by 12 different US government departments and 50 different US government, programs. There’s no way to get rid of us even if you want to.
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That’s what they were stunting on in, right before Elon, you know, finished the acquisition of X and Republicans won the house in 2022, and all of this went in reverse. And now you’ll see just this, you know, just this week in the news that they’re you know, there’s quotes about them wanting to flee the country and that the whole field is potentially in disarray if Trump does indeed, go forward and defund this because now you’re gonna have a 100 university centers gone.
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There goes your state department funding. There goes your NSF funding. And I have a great example of that, by the way, that’s pretty eye opening on our topic of institutions. That’s a that’s a quick receipt if you’re interested.
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Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Feel free to guide Jamie
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any way you want. Yeah. So Jamie, if you go to the Arizona State University Global Security Initiative I’m gonna show you some of this in action a little bit.
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Alright. Arizona State University Global
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It’s very vague. I just wanna
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go
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to their website and go to
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Oh, yeah. Go Google yeah. Google okay. Google Arizona State University Center on narrative, disinformation, and strategic influence.
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Disinformation and strategic what?
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Influence. Yeah. We just Arizona State University Center narrative. Yes. Okay. And
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just go to the website?
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Yeah. Just go to the website. If you pull it up so this, so this is and if if if you click on Global Security Initiative, I’m just gonna show you an example real quick. Just click on the the top thing. This is Global Security Initiative, and then hit you will hit the back button in a second.
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But if you scroll down so this is Arizona State University. This is basically John McCain University. Now this is significant because John McCain was the founder the founding president.
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Isn’t it funny that the picture, the girl with the mask is wearing it wrong? Her nose is exposed. Oh, my gosh. I mean, it just kinda shows you how fucking stupid all this stuff is. That’s exactly that’s exactly right. You know, they had to have her wearing a mask still. Even in 2024, you go to the website, she’s wearing a mask, and she’s wearing it wrong. Her nose is exposed. Not only that, it’s a surgical mask.
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It’s the dumbest one.
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The one that provides zero
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literally zero protection. Right. Okay. So Especially with your nose open.
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No. That’s that’s fantastic. So so a few things as background. Arizona State University, it its current president, Michael Crow, was is is now and was since the day it was born in 1999, the chairman of In Q Tel. In Q Tel is the CIA’s venture capital arm. This is literally the CIA’s proprietary investments in early stage technology companies.
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And the head of Arizona State University, its its president, is the chairman of In Q Tel and has been for 25 years. Arizona State University has these very deep partnerships with John McCain, who was the senator from Arizona. John McCain, who ran for president against Barack Obama in 2008, was the before he ran for president in 2008, for 25 years, he was the founder and the president of the IRI, the CIA wing of the Republican Party.
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Again, the IRI is that is the GOP side of the of the National Endowment For Democracy. That’s effectively self declared CIA cutout. And in fact, Arizona State University has a John McCain Center on disinformation that that, that works in tandem with this one. But I just wanted to show that you’ll see this is technically, it’s Arizona State University, but you’ll see that it is an intelligence program.
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So if you if you if you scroll up for a second, you’ll see you’ll see at the bottom. Right? This is a program at Arizona State University that is an intelligence program. It its job is to assist the intelligence community with this with this work. And you’ll if you scroll down and you scroll down from here, you’ll see the different branches. And then click on the one, narrative disinformation strategic influence.
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Now this this program gets 1 has a $1,600,000 grant from the Pentagon to do censorship work. It has $300,000 in grants from the state department. It’s got another almost $500,000 worth of additional government grants from adjacent, adjacent US government diplomatic statecraft intelligence work.
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So so this is this is a multimillion dollar sent censorship center currently still up and running at Arizona State University funded by us. Now if you click on why is disinformation dangerous, I wanna show you something real quick because this language is everywhere. This is stock standard language.
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Why do we have this set up? Disinformation sows confusion and distrust, diminishing people’s faith and confidence in the institutions that are critical to a functioning healthy democracy such as government, news media, and science. I’m gonna pause right there. The dirty tricks that this is laden with is what allows them to get away with this.
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So note that they are saying that they have set up this apparatus, and we can get it I I can show you the different projects they’re involved with on the censorship side. But the the issue they’re saying is not that something’s wrong, but that people’s the the simple act of diminishing public faith and confidence in the news media, government, and science is an attack on democracy.
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This is the identical language that dozens of university centers and both of the major censorship programs at the National Science Foundation as well as at state, USAID, Pentagon, they all have this stock language now, which is that the purpose of the program is to protect their assets, and then and legacy news media is one of those assets.
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If you on social media undermine public faith in The New York Times as a credible institution, you are attacking democracy in the white blood cells of the blob. These disinformation centers run being run out of our NGOs and universities and for profit private sector, Century mercenary firms will scan and ban you off the Internet.
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And I can I can show you what what some of those look like as well, these dynamic disinformation dashboards? But even if you just go to the projects page, you know, for that, I think if you scroll down, you’ll see it. Yeah. So these are semantic information defender. So
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This is right out of 1984.
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Yeah. So just if you scroll down, let’s see. The terms. Yeah. Semantic information defender. K. This project again, this is 1,600,000 just from the Pentagon alone. This project will develop a system that detects, characterize, and and attributes misinformation and disinformation, whether image, video, audio, or text.
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ASU provides content and narrative analysis, text detection and characterization methods, and a large data set of known disinformation, manipulate objects. So so this is a this is a database of all images, videos, audio, text that effectively the ghost of John McCain, the founder of the CIA side of the GOP after Reagan reoriented the IC around the NGO complex, and and they’ve been caught basically conflating anything that’s pro Trump with being pro Russia, and and going after rank and file right wing populist and conservatives because that’s who the never Trump side of the GOP, the Mitt Romney, John McCain side of the GOP is trying to take out.
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Mitt Romney, by the way, who ran for press against Obama, the the the the cycle after John McCain. Remember, John McCain was the founding president of the IRI, the CIA wing of the GOP. Mitt Romney is was and still is a board member of the IRI. I should note Marco Rubio, our incoming secretary of state, is also a board member of the IRI.
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He is going to need to confront this in a way I hope everyone is pre prepared for. But it’s all the way down to to framing techniques.
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Could you just look at this for a second? Detecting and tracking adversarial framing. Just listen to how this is phrased. A pilot project with Lockheed Martin. So defense contractor.
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Oh, we’re gonna go deep. You wanna see some crazy oh, yeah.
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But but but let’s keep going with this. We please go deep. But created an information operations detection technique based on the principle of of adversarial framing when parties hostile to US interests frame events in the media to justify support for future actions. That is such a weird way to phrase things because it’s so okay. Here we go.
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The research helps planners and decision makers identify trends in real time that indicate changes in the information operation strategy, potentially indicating imminent actions of follow on project funded by the Department of Defense expands techniques developed in the pilot project to additional countries, incorporates blog data into the framing analysis alongside known propaganda outlets.
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Listen to the next one.
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Studies the transmediation of these frames to non Russian non propaganda services.
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This is
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how they go.
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Sources rather.
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Right. And seeks to develop the ability to automatically detect the adversarial from this is the AI system.
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Adversarial framing, such a strange way to put it because US interests are could be just simply narratives that turn out to not be true.
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Right.
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So they have the ability to censor true information based on US interests.
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But this is how they get you. See that transmediation frames to non Russian op prop gas sources? Yes. But that’s how they get to say that we are spouting Russian disinformation if we say something, but so does some random outlet they don’t like in Russia. This is how Right.
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We noticed the 51 spies who lied about Hunter Biden, they will still insist, yeah, okay, the laptop’s real, but it’s still Russian because they argue that Russian propaganda outlets were amplifying it. So it’s and it’s in Russia’s interest to stigmatize the United States or to undermine the credibility of of Joe Biden as present or to help Trump because Trump’s foreign policy is is is, helpful to them.
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So this is how they conflate us as US civilians with a first amendment guarantee with the get out of constitution free card of our counterintelligence capacities. You know, like, the CIA is not allowed to operate at home. Right? Supposed to be a foreign facing operation, but they get the get out jail free card on that, which is if it’s counterintelligence, if they think a US citizen is being recruited by or in a network formal and or informal with a hostile foreign nation states intelligence services.
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Now they get spy on Americans. This is how the NSA, you know, reads Tucker Carlson’s signal chats and whatnot. And so they they launders that foreign to domestic switcheroo, which by the way is another great great clip. But, anyway, I was I was going to I saw your your eyes go a little wide with the Lockheed Martin thing. Yeah.
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Can, if you if you go to YouTube and you type in MITRE squint, MITRE squint misinformation.
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M I t e r?
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Yeah. M I MITRE. MITRE is one of the largest military contractors. They are they’re absolutely enormous. They they and they’re sort of like, you know, a a technological version of the of the Rand Corporation, if if you will. Now this so they are funded by the US military
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and Fighting COVID 19 misinformation. Let’s go do it from the beginning.
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As the nation continues the fight against COVID 19
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Wrong mask. So battling
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the spread of dangerous misinformation. Social media is full of conflicting, misleading, and false information. The level and quality of fact checking varies from one platform to the next. That means that half truths or flat out fiction may appear as facts. People who are predisposed to believe the postings will perceive them as truth.
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When deception and misinformation have the potential to negatively influence personal and national health outcomes, we must call it out and correct it. MITRE’s squint for COVID 19 provides a fast, reliable way to report and counter COVID misinformation about the disease, its treatment, and vaccinations.
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If you’re a medical or public health expert or other squint user, you can report untrue or inaccurate COVID 19 related postings with a single click, whether using a desktop or mobile device. MITRE squint collects the URL with the screenshot and the coded information for aggregation and analysis. You’ll get a secure message to verify that you sent the screenshot.
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The verification message includes a report that you can share or send to the social media channel asking that the misinformation be removed. What happens then? MITRE squint analyzes and identifies patterns in social media that are misleading the public. Your report enables faster takedowns and helps maintain the public’s trust and confidence in the efforts to battle COVID 19.
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MITRE squint for COVID 19 provides an unprecedented opportunity to report dangerous misinformation designed to create additional fear or anger in people already stressed by the pandemic. Contact us to learn more about MITRE, squint, and become a participant. Squint@mitre.org.
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Yeah. So MITRE is a 2 like a $2,200,000,000 annual budget and, you know, the tens of 1,000,000 of that come from the the Pentagon. They’re they’re a major Pentagon contractor. They did the same thing. By the way, that was the second squint AI censorship technology they developed.
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Again, just like the Pentagon was paying Graphica, censoring COVID origins, censoring conspiracy theories, they’re paying AI censorship technology to simultaneously manage the the censorship of COVID skeptic narratives. They started this actually in 20, in the ramp to the 2020 election. If you look at squint misinformation elections.
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Our democracy, our elections, we must call it out
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Oh, I think I think that starts at the 40 second. If you go back to the beginning Just
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so I was trying to
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Oh, yeah.
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Skip the intro. I see.
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Including the viral messages spread through social media. Social media platforms are only as accurate and truthful as the people who post to them. The level and quality of fact checking varies from one platform to the next. That means that half truths or flat out fiction may appear as facts.
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People who are predisposed to believe the postings will perceive them as the truth. When deception and misinformation impact the infrastructure, operations, and processes integral to our democracy, our elections, we must call it out and correct it. MITRE’s squint provides a fast, easy, and comprehensive way for election officials to combat the spread of misinformation on social media channels.
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When elections officials and designated MITRE squint users see untrue or inaccurate postings about the elections process, you can report it with a single click whether using a desktop or mobile device. MITRE squint collects a screenshot and the coded information for aggregation and analysis. You’ll get a secure message to verify that you sent the screenshot.
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The verification message includes a report that you can share with election peers or send to the social media channel asking that the misinformation be removed. What happens then? MITRE squint analyzes and identifies patterns in social media that are misleading voters. Your report enables faster takedowns and helps restore integrity to the elections process.
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MITRE squint is helping election officials like you defend the elections process from disinformation campaigns designed to undermine election legitimacy. Contact us to learn more about MITRE squint and become a participant.
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They were partnered in the whole 2020 censorship operation. There’s another thing I just thought of that, is just an unbelievable clip with the Atlanta Council. See, Atlanta Council was formally partnered with the Department of Homeland Security to censor the 2020 election, to censor Trump supporters.
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A 100% of their repeat misinformation spreaders were Trump supporters. There’s unbelievable videos on all of this. Some of this has been played on the congressional jumbotron.
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There’s election interference.
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Oh, yeah. An unbelievable level, but they they bragged afterwards about, you know, about how this thing could be scaled and how they were able to get this done and how they could use this technique to get social media companies to, to ban things, you know, well beyond, you know, basically, to scale it to every other policy issue so that it’s not just around elections where they’re, quote, huge regulatory stakes, for the companies, and they go over this strategy.
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I mean, literally, the on a on a celebration video of how they pulled this off, again, with the the Atlantic Council, Graphica, Stanford, you did the the same institutions. In this video, they go over this 2 part technique for how they were able to do this and how they can do this in the future, and, one is using their front effectively as a civil society organization, leveraging the threat of government pressure from their government partners at a top down level and leveraging what they the the induction of crisis PR, black PR, if if the companies did not do the censorship from the bottom up.
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So the government would would threaten top down, and the media would threaten bottom up.
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What are the threats?
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The threats? Yeah. When you say the government would threaten them. Well, so there’s there’s several. So, in in that case, there was in 2020, there was regulatory overhang coming from Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren about breaking the big tech companies up, which they actually move forward with with this big you know, the Google is now under the gun of this with the US justice department.
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But more significantly, it’s it’s the threats probably the one of the most incredible examples of this. If you wanna see the receipts on it, it’s it’s wild, but I can also just tell you about it. If you look up, on my profile, the the phrase 10 flaming examples, it’ll pull up the Facebook files, what Jim Jordan’s committee, you know, the the subpoenaed version of the Twitter files, but from Facebook.
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And you’ll see that in in early 2021, the Biden administration was pressuring, explicitly, Facebook to censor COVID origins, heterodox speech, and Facebook was skittish about doing it, saying there’s a highly unusual request coming directly from the White House. We don’t really wanna do this. This is what Nick Clegg, the head of public policy, was emailing with Mark Zuckerberg about. So if you scroll over, hey.
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So you see this is right. So this is there were 5 claims, so this is this is to Mark Zuckerberg from Nick Clegg. Nick Clegg was the former head of the UK Labour Party. He wrote a book called How to Stop Brexit After Brexit Already Passed. Let’s show you how interconnected all this stuff is. And the subject is COVID misinformation, Wuhan Lab Leak Theory.
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On the question of, our decision to remove claims related to the origin of COVID, again, this is June 2021. There were 5 claims that met the standard. Man, it basically, anyone who accused COVID of potentially being man made or bioengineered or created by an individual government or country or that it was modified through gain of function research.
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We reduced distribution, meaning they they throttled. They algorithmically, zapped out of all viral they applied virality circuit breakers to, to content making any of those 5 buckets of claims. In February 2021, so this is right in tandem with the vaccine rollout, in response to continued public pressure and tense conversations with the new administration, we started so they only started removing it because of quote, tense conversations with the new administration.
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So if you go to the next go to the next image, if you just Yeah. Oh wait, I’m sorry. Go go over. Yeah. Bigger fish to fry.
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There should be a Yeah. Here we go. In June 2021, e mail Clegg emailed others in the company that given the bigger fish we have to fry with with the Biden administration, we should think creatively about how we can be responsive to the Biden administration’s concerned. Then it says below. What are these bigger what is it?
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I I can go over those
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in a second. Just one more thing on this is, you see, in April 22 of the the company was seeking to work closely with the Biden administration on multiple policy fronts. So this now gets to the larger issue of the interplay between the profits of multinational corporations and the protection provided by the US government when it actively advocates on their behalf.
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So, for example, right now, one of the major major issues and I’ll tell you this because I when I ran the cyber desk for the US state department, I got a call one day from 9 Google lobbyists. These were all former lobbyists from big oil companies or from sovereign countries, who had moved to Google to lobby the US state department, the US you know, it was the orchestra symphony conductor for all of the assets of the American empire.
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And these 9 lobbyists told me, over the course of about a 90 minute call that the number one threat to Google’s business model, the most existential threat over the next 5 years was the EU Digital Markets Act and Digital Services Act. And they laid out a variety of reasons.
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I won’t get into too granular detail, but that basically you know, because the the state department traditionally defines US interests as being the welfare of US citizens and the aggregate welfare of US national champions, US citizens and US corporations. This is why, again, it’s so insane, inflammatory, and there’s gotta be a way it’s frigging illegal that the National Down For Democracy and the US State Department USAID are currently running programs to tank US National Champions like x because they’re hosting, you know, they allow the hosting of of pro populous political content.
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But so, you know, basically, the pitch is we’re a US national champion. We’re Google. This is another thing that the Trump White House was saying at the time. You know, the they were defining MAGA as Microsoft, Apple, Google, and Amazon because their stock price being high was a big, you know, I think, boom.
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I I don’t know what the political calculus was, but I’m trying to tell them, hey. They’re censoring the Internet guys and, well, point is is yeah. So they’re they’re the g in MAGA, and they they are functionally requesting that the US state department adjust its diplomatic posture with EU counterparts in order to have the appropriate asks and demands of the European Union that protect the profits and business, divisions of Google.
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On on and I I won’t without, again, getting too granular, these involve everything from data privacy rights, the Europe is something called the g d GDPR. There are all sorts of fines. It’s kind of ironic how this all played out. When Trump won in 2016, Europe was many of these European governments were afraid of a Trump autocracy, and, and so they set about a a sort of policy pivot that they called strategic digital autonomy, meaning that Europe needs to exert more sovereign autonomy over the tech space in the digital sector rather than purely relying on American projection arms or or US tech giants.
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And so the these new EU Digital Markets Action Digital Services Act are, like, for example, Tim Cook, you know, at Apple just got hit with a $15,000,000,000 fine from this. It’s the the only people who can stop that, who can negotiate, and who can pick winners and losers in that market are the US State Department.
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Those are the people who negotiate. Those are the people who do the carrots and sticks. Hey, EU counterpart. Hey, counterpart in France. Hey, counterpart in EU.
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What was the stick to Apple in in relation to, like, what what was it in response to?
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I just remember the 15,000,000,000. I forget if it was on a data if it was on data grounds or if it was on pretty you can if you can look up the, because he Tim Cook called Donald Trump on that specifically. I think this is another one of these things where Apple felt betrayed that the Biden administration didn’t stick up for them as much, but I I just so I’m not, getting the specific thing wrong.
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If you look up yeah. Here we go. $15,000,000,000 fine.
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Additional $2,000,000,000 antitrust fine. EU has been investigating big tech firms to curb their power and ensure a level playing field. Apple recently lost a court battle, was ordered to pay 14,080,000,000 back taxes to Ireland. Trump told Cook that he would not let the EU take advantage of US companies if he is elected.
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His government highlights the this development, rather, highlights the ongoing regulatory challenges faced by tech giants like Apple, which may impact their stock performance.
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Right.
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Investors should monitor these regulatory developments and their potential impact on Apple’s finances and stock financials and stock price.
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Right. And this is happening to all the tech companies. And the only reason this hasn’t happened yet, you know, in the in the now 30 years of Internet diplomacy is because the state department has always gone to bat for them with all sorts of carrots and sticks that we can threaten on that.
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Right? The humanitarian aid, the security assistance.
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Want from Apple that would allow them to allow Apple to be fined that much
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money? State department can, in theory, could open up a diplomatic channel to the EU. The US ambassador to the EU could march into their office, you know, horse’s head, out of, you know, out of godfather style and say, you are not going to f with Apple on this. This decision was wrongly made.
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If you move forward with enforcement of this $15,000,000,000 fine, the US government will renegotiate our trade posture, our tariff posture, our humanitarian assistance, our security assistance, our role in I mean, there’s any number of things that that you can log role on this.
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Our our joint activities with you in South America, in Africa, in Central Asia, on this particular industry. It’s the state department who’s got the assets of the empire to to manage and and to offer up to foreign countries to protect the and to, frankly, oftentimes, to secure those markets for those tech companies in the first place.
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What would
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be the incentive to not do that?
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Favors to Europe and Europe and, I mean, you’ve you’re always dipping into political capital when you do that. Right? Like, whenever you are threatening something with someone you’re doing business with, you are giving up a little bit of political capital and making that threat in the sense that they might you’re sort of sanctioning yourself in a certain respect.
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This is what for example, the sanctions on on on Russia that we led after 2014, you’re they had an agreement with Russia. They’re they’re sort of shoot shooting themselves in the leg to try to, you know, get the bear that’s that’s biting it. So you’re sort of doing this with the EU. The EU is a very delicate dance with with the US. Right? It’s 550,000,000 people. It’s a giant market.
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It’s you know, it is the there’s there’s basically 3 poles between China, the US, and the EU. There’s a a ton of overlapping trade, arrangements. It’s it’s basically the economic arm of NATO. It’s so if you were to if you were to threaten to if you were to threaten the EU too hard so China just overtook the US as the EU’s largest trading partner.
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If if we were to go to the mat for Apple in this case on the EU, the EU may turn around and say, fine. Well, if you do that, we’re going to partner with Saudi Arabia, or we’re gonna partner with China, or we’re gonna we’re gonna partner. Hey. We may need turn to turn the natural gas imports from from Russia back on. There there’s all sorts of I mean, it’s it’s a constant interplay.
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02:05:28
That’s what makes that position both so fascinating but also so complex is because you’re having to manage all the different stakeholder relations from the banks, from the corporations, from the from the political groups, from the, you know, from from the outside from the outside ones.
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02:05:43
And Facebook, I mean, it’s it’s data. It’s ads. This is another thing. The the media companies have been on a a crusade against Facebook and Google because they many of these media companies feel like their revenues are being stolen by the, you know, the ad money going to Google and Facebook.
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02:06:02
There have been laws that have been put in place in Canada and I I believe Australia where they’re basically trying to, I forget if the one can actually pass, but they’re bay they’re basically trying to, you know, have the media companies get a cut of the big tech profits because they are monopolists in the ad space.
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02:06:20
And, you know, Google Ads makes up a huge portion of Google’s revenue. Facebook, obviously, the only reason that became profitable in the 1st place. You know, when when Facebook IPO’d, it was initially, there was a concern that it might not even be a profitable company, let alone one of the top, you know, 8 biggest companies in the world because they had not yet monetized those eyeballs through ads in the way that they’ve scaled incredibly to do.
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02:06:43
But what happens when what happens when our own US government completely betrays them and works with Europe to screw them unless they do censorship? And if you want an incredible receipt on this, you can look up the February 2021 USAID disinformation primer. You can go actually to my foundation’s website, foundation for freedom online.com, and just type in the word USAID, and you’ll see that disinformation primer.
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02:07:07
USAID in tandem with the National Down For Democracy, that CIA cut out and includes with state who USAID serves, as an instruction manual for how to exert its its soft power influence around the world to regulate ad networks, to to hurt US tech companies if they allow pro populist speech on the platforms by getting the getting advertiser boycotts and advertiser blacklists to punch the social media companies.
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02:07:40
And so, you know, it it’s it’s a plot against our own people, and it’s being waged as part of a political proxy war to stop populists like Trump from being able to get elected in the 1st place, and if he gets elected, to be able to throttle his administration and his allies around the world so that he can’t implement his agenda.
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02:07:59
Jesus.
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02:08:04
How does this not how do you sleep?
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02:08:09
You know, like, knowing all this, like, what It was it was really, really hard the first 3 or 4 years because there was, like, I I was in this before when the whole thing was totally depressing and there were no wins at all. You know? I was like, and it was my health deteriorated. I, you know, I didn’t look good. I didn’t feel good.
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02:08:32
I I I mean, I tell everyone, you have to go through your 5 stages of grief on this. You know? You’re you’re gonna have your, you know, your your denial and then your anger and then your, you know, your bar your depression and then your bargaining and then your acceptance, and you you’ll go through many iterations of those 5 stages of grief, but, you get to a certain point, I think, where you you accept that this is our inheritance and this is in a way, as as evil as so many components of it are, the larger picture is is kind of an a fascinating archaeological dive into the the ancient dinosaur bones of the of the world that we live in.
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02:09:16
The the American empire would not exist without this apparatus. It took a twisted turn in 2016. But the fact is we are an international empire because of the banana wars in the 1800 that gave the US, you know, vassalage control over much of South America. We’re an international empire because of the the the Spanish American war in 18/98. We take the Philippines.
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02:09:37
We had, you know, we we have the we had the miracle of the 20th century because this free speech diplomacy, which in large part was a state department CIA cynical front just to be able to capacity build our own assets behind the iron curtain, that ended up giving us cheap gas.
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02:09:57
And, you know, 401ks and middle class lifestyles and affordable homes and pensions and and all the favors that the state department does to pry open markets is is the reason that Walmart can export, you know, to to to the furthest reaches of the world. It’s the reason that, you know, I I played this really funny one, you know, a a few days ago that the the famous Pizza Hut ad with with starring Gorbachev, after the, after the National Endowment For Democracy pried the Soviet Union open, and he’s basically saying we have we have instability.
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02:10:37
These are Russians arguing with each other. You know, we’ve instability at home. This is horrible. We’re basically a satellite state of the United States, and then the other person at the Pizza Hut says, ah, but we have Pizza Hut. And Gorbachev stars and spouses is a is a Pizza Hut advertisement.
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02:10:52
And
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02:11:23
The Gorbachev. The Gorbachev.
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02:11:26
And Gorbachev. Hailed the Gorbachev. Together like a nice hot pizza. From Pizza Hut. Oh my god.
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02:11:33
So pizza
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02:11:34
That commercial’s insane. That seems like a Saturday live sketch.
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02:11:38
Yeah. So Pizza Hut did not win the market for 200,000,000 customers in Russia because it outcompeted the other pizza companies. It won because the CIA pride Russia open. I mean, you you can see all the touchdown dances we did about the Boris Yeltsin puppet presidency. Boris Yeltsin was faxing the National Down for Democracy in 1993 for permission effectively to bomb his own parliament building.
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02:12:03
We there’s a whole Hollywood movie called spinning Boris, which is the based on the true story of how the state department and Hollywood teamed up to prop up a ailing Boris Yeltsin in 1996, when he was pulling at 7% in the polls to, so that we could continue privatizing state owned Russian assets and selling them off to George Soros’ investment fund.
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02:12:26
You can read Casino Moscow for more on that. But, basically, this is I ate his pizza at Pizza Hut as a kid. It’s and at some point, it becomes it becomes fascinating. At some point, it becomes the the tragedy shifts to a comedy and you and when you start looking at the size of some of these forces, it’s the most exciting time ever to be alive.
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02:12:48
If there was it didn’t look like there was any light of the tunnel when I started this in 2016. It was l after l after l after l. First, nobody would listen. Then the people who listen say you’re crazy. Then Then the people who say you’re crazy say, well, you you know, you’re right, but you’re hopeless.
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02:13:04
Then the people who say you’re hopeless, you know, say, okay. Well, maybe you’re not hopeless, but I can’t help you. And then it’s just constant and then and then the dam starts breaking a little bit here, a little bit there, and now this is the most exciting time ever. We have existential threats that are that I think maybe in the end more terrifying than anything we’ve we’ve seen yet, but I’m just honored to to be along for the ride with everybody else who’s who’s pulling the levers that that they are.
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02:13:32
And, you know, if you can make it through if you can make it through the the hard times I’m thinking about it, there is something beautiful. It’s like getting to know let’s just say, you know, Genghis Khan, you know, you’re descended from or something. People are gonna say Genghis Khan murder, rape, whatever, you know, crimes there are, but but that’s if you’re descended from that, it’s still your family.
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02:13:55
And I’m not trying to smash these institutions. I’m not trying to get rid of the Pentagon or get rid of the CIA. I want them to be reformed, and they have to go through the gauntlet of public sunlight. Jay Bhattacharya, doctor Jay Bhattacharya was just named the NIH. That is one of the most inspiring stories, I think.
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02:14:14
It’s an incredible turnaround.
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02:14:15
Yeah. Tell the
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02:14:16
whole story because some people aren’t even aware what happened with him with the Great Barrington Declaration.
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02:14:21
Well, he was he was kicked off of Twitter. He was, you know, basically a a premier scientist at Stanford. He was labeled a fringe, you know, epidemiologist by by Fauci and company, and he was just tapped to be our new NIH director, the National Institute of Health. This is the premier medical research institution in all of medicine, and they put in one of the most critical voices of the entire COVID era to to run it.
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02:14:53
I mean, it’s it’s like it’s like putting Bobby Kennedy in as the head of HHS.
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02:14:57
Right.
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02:14:58
And to me, that’s sort of what needs to happen now in the censorship space, which is that when you look back at the church committee with the CIA, they held up that heart attack gun in public. And Frank Church and, you know, James Angleton, we saw now I know a lot of that was a whitewash and wonks in the space or or, like, or probably getting triggered by me even acknowledging that that was a decent thing.
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02:15:24
But the fact is is it did have to go through at it did have to go through a gauntlet where where the the way to restore faith in the institution is to make it do a naked lap. Make it do its walk of shame, and then it can put its clothes back on and return, you know, in into the good graces.
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02:15:42
I’m not trying to take these institutions out. I’m not anti American empire, but the empire has to serve the homeland. And the fact is is we it does have to go through this period of penitence, and I hope that the incoming administration understands the magnitude and severity of the need to do that because if they don’t, they’ll they’re gonna be caught flat footed by something very nasty, I think, coming down the pipe.
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02:16:11
Have you any have you talked to anyone there?
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02:16:14
Not in enough detail to be able to, feel that we are where we need to be, but maybe that will change.
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02:16:24
Burisma.
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02:16:25
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it’s wild. Yeah. You know how I mentioned, the Atlanta Council so many times in this seven CIA directors on its board
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02:16:34
and you
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02:16:34
will find it at the Pentagon State Department, CIA cutouts like the NED. Literally sponsoring at Atlantic Council Conferences, the I call bullshit censorship training meetings, the work partner with DHS to censor Trump, partnered, you know, to to censor COVID. 1 week before Donald Trump was inaugurated in January 2017, Burisma signed a formal cooperation agreement with the Atlanta Council, for the Atlantic Council to leverage its representation effectively, as as NATO’s brain, the think tank for NATO, to kick energy deals to Burisma.
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02:17:17
You can look this up. If you can pull us on screen. I’ll show you these receipts. They’re wild. If you just type in, you know, Burisma, you know, on my on my ex account or Burisma Atlanta Council, any of these will get you there.
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02:17:30
So there’s a much larger story here that sort of gets us back to to Eurasia. And just for for perspective, this issue around Russia gets to something that has been decades, of tension in the making. Yeah. So this is Burisma and the Atlantic Council. This is one day, actually, one day before Donald Trump’s inauguration, January 19, 2017.
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02:17:53
So this group has 7 CIA directors on its board an annual funding from the Pentagon, the state department by the way, these are these are old numbers from 2020. It’s over a1000000000 now for all these. But, but what are they doing signing a a formal agreement with Burisma to kick them deal flow?
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02:18:11
Well, so here is where it gets to the the geopolitics of the energy space and what a lot of this Russia stuff is about. So, if you look up, for example, a if you just go to Google and you type in Russia 75 trillion, you’ll see what Trump got knifed for, you in in term 1 point o, and that is still the knife’s edge dangling over Trump term 2 point o.
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02:18:37
So if you pull up, like, an image graph of it, it’ll make it a little bit, I think, more yeah. Yeah. Or just, like, maybe the the 4th, the 5th one if you see or the 4th or 5th 4th one or
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02:18:47
Yeah.
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02:18:48
For the 5th. Yeah. Yeah. Any one of those. Right. So so Russia has the most exploitable natural resources of any country on Earth by far, by 4, by far. I mean, it’s almost double. And that was why you may have heard this term from Francis Fukuyama, the end of history in the 19 nineties.
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02:19:08
This was like the, you know, the the the moment that America was the unipolar power. There is this long range plan to pursue at least the political annexation of Eurasia. This is the this goes back to Zbigniew Brzezinski, the the grand chessboard, the idea that he who controls Eurasia controls the world because this is where 2 thirds of the world’s resources are.
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02:19:32
And so there’s this there’s this big, you know, stretch basically from Central Europe, all the way out into, into into the far reaches of Russia where so many of these minerals in oil and gas and re explorable resources are are concentrated. If you remember, Lindsey Graham finally threw up the white flag about 4 months ago when he said, listen.
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02:19:52
Even if you don’t care about Ukraine, they’ve got $12,400,000,000,000 worth of minerals and resources. So, you know, do it for that.
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02:19:59
He just said the other day, he admitted this war is about money.
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02:20:03
It is. It is. So but this is the this is so fascinating to me. I almost have to take a self indulgent moment if if you’ll allow me. I had initially started working on this with a book and a movie that was just about the AI censorship side. It was weapons of mass deletion and it was and at the time, I was in in 2016, early 2017, I was I was focused on the domestic side, like, I think everybody is when they see this.
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02:20:31
You know, a lot of this was woke stuff. So you see, you know, some pink haired, you know, feminist person with an outrageous outrageous Twitter account who’s a trust and safety person at Twitter and you say, ah, okay. This is a culture war. Right? And then as I started tracing this and just completely obsessing every day in the on the research side of this, you’d see these censorship planning conferences with high ranking military and intelligence officials, and on the panel with them would be Eurasian focused energy investors and energy companies.
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02:21:06
And you’d say, well, what what are they doing at a censorship conference? Why is why is Chevron here? Why is Royal Dutch Shell here? Why is naff why are representatives from NAFTA Gas, at this conference about disinformation on the Internet? And to me, that was one of the early breakthroughs in being able to trace the larger networks and and history of it was the the close conjoined nature of censorship and geopolitics and in particular around the energy world because, you know, going back to this Milton Friedman sort of argument around free markets versus does the government secure the markets, Milton Friedman was once sort of given a sort of Malay style list of entities to Afuera, you know, to sort of not you know, knock out.
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02:21:55
And when it got to the Department of Energy, he said, keep that one, but fold it under the Department of Defense because our energy work is basically a subset of our military work. Because the military is effectively who secures energy markets, the military and the state department, the military using kinetic force or the threats of doing so, the state department on economic sanctions and and economic inducements to secure the energy resources.
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02:22:23
So this is where it gets really interesting. So I I we’re just talking about Boris Yeltsin in the nineties. Put Putin rises to power in 1999. The Russian economy is totally destroyed. He is, you know, he’s got only 2 assets of the of the of the Russian remnant that he can leverage to try to turn Russia back into a a world power.
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02:22:46
One of them is their sort of military export economy. Russia provides small arms munitions to rebel groups around the world who oppose the US Pentagon, such as in Africa. There’s a big battle going on right now between the US and France on the one hand and Russia on the other hand on in the in the Sahel.
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02:23:07
This is why a lot of these French run governments have, have had their have been toppled in the past year. Chad, Nigeria, Cote D’ivoire. This is one of the reasons that it’s very curious that France arrested Pavel Durov, the Telegram founder, when the CIA’s own media channels like Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty, and Voice of America were effectively, calling for Telegram to be reined in because it may be a Russian spy in every Ukrainian’s pocket, and we need to stop, the ability for Russians to have free speech on Telegram.
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02:23:39
And, you know, a lot of this is because of the he’s arrested in France. It’s curious because France is involved in a proxy war against Russia, and and that’s only made possible because Russian Russia exports those arms. Russia is also the only reason we were not able to successfully topple Bashar al Assad in Syria.
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02:23:55
Folks remember the s 300, s 400 anti aircraft, you know, air defense, systems. Basically, if we can get rid of Russia’s military machine, there’s no there’s there’s very, very little resistance to the Pentagon around the world from from Venezuela to Africa to Central Asia to, you know, to to Syria.
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02:24:14
And Russia’s other big economic export, the main one, is that they have the largest energy resources in the world, and exporting that can make them very help very wealthy if they are able to, export that freely. It’s sort of a similar issue with Iran and Iranian sanctions. So almost a 100% of Russian gas used to be, used to of European gas used to come from Russia.
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02:24:40
These pipelines have been around for many, many, many, many decades, and it was in it was the motor engine of Russia’s economy, oil and gas, you know, Rosneft and Gazprom. And when put Putin did something to reassert Russia’s political influence over Central and Eastern Europe after NATO already thought these were NATO acquired territories, places like Georgia and Moldova, Ukraine.
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02:25:09
Putin began shutting off the gas in 2005, 2006, or threatening to do so to leave a sort of dark cold winter to these European countries that were thought to be under US NATO control, and these countries began to acquiesce to Russian influence on gas, and their politics started shifting to be more pro Russian.
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02:25:31
Their civil society organizations got deeper Russian penetration. Their media organizations began to, you know, spout more pro Russian affinity lines. And so our state department of intelligence services flew into a panic. Like, oh my god. We’re going to we’re going to lose the cold war late in the game if we do not embark on a quest to destroy Russia’s energy diplomacy.
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02:25:55
This is what they were calling it. Energy diplomacy, their energy soft power influence over Central and Eastern Europe. Germany with the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, Ukraine with the with the direct, the direct gas pipelines that then go all the way out, you know, into into Western Europe.
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02:26:12
Because the and we could not compete with Russia strictly, on because gas is a is a commodity. It’s it’s not like, you know, an iPhone or it’s not like a it’s not like a phone where it comes in a, you know, different flavors based on on quality. It’s just strictly about the price you sell it at.
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02:26:30
And the only way that that you can get gas into Europe effectively other than nat cheap natural gas pipelines or expensive liquefied natural gas, you know, where where you, you know, you you basically harvest it in the Permian Basin in Houston. You freeze it. You ship it, you know, 6000 miles across the Atlantic Ocean through the Baltic Strait. You unfreeze it. You then, you know, ship it to Ukraine.
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02:26:56
It’s it’s like orders of magnitude more expensive than than the Russian alternative. So so European countries wanted cheap Russian gas. The US and the UK and NATO wanted the EU member states to sanction Russian gas, both because it would cripple Russia’s economy and also so there’s a national security element here.
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02:27:19
Now we get to take over Africa. Now we get to take over Central Asia because there’s no Russian resistance from the military because they’re bankrupt. Now we can beat back Russian influence into Central and Eastern Europe because they’re bankrupt. It’s the same way we won the cold war.
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02:27:30
The Soviet Union collapsed because it was bankrupt. So they embarked on a diplomatic quest to get all these countries to pass sanctions on Russia, but they couldn’t do the full sanctions in 2006. So they embarked on what they called energy diversification. Then the 2014 fiasco pops off in Ukraine, and this becomes existential because now half of Ukraine is is effectively militarily backstopped by Russia.
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02:27:55
So they have to get Europe to pass these sanctions on Russia, but the issue is is a lot of these, EU member states did not wanna have to buy super expensive western LNG. It would be ideal if you could simply harvest the endogenous gas supplies in Ukraine. Ukraine happened to sit on Europe’s 3rd largest unexploited natural gas resources or the the, you know, the shale that can be converted.
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02:28:22
And so they so Burisma was a tool to be able to to supplement the western LNG with an endogenous and at home Ukrainian alternative gas supply so that the sanctions could go through in Europe and so that Ukraine would not be reliant on Russia to have cheap natural gas. But this required NAFTA Gas, the state owned, Ukrainian gas company, which George Soros has been locked in a power struggle with Putin to over privatization with for decades.
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02:28:57
And it and Burisma was the largest of the private for profit, firms that had the rights the gas rights for exploitation of Eastern Ukraine and the, you know, the the surrounding, Crimea offshore offshore gas supplies. And so Burisma was was seen as an instrument of statecraft by the US State Department to economically bankrupt Russia and to militarily shut down Russia’s war machine as part of the larger play for naphtha gas and you to build up Ukraine’s innate gas supplies, which were which were underexploited in part because of a military tension over who actually controls that territory.
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02:29:42
That’s why the Donbas is so important. That’s why after the counter coup, the US was sponsoring the this is what the military aid impeach the military assistance impeachment of Trump was about in 2019. We weren’t at war with Russia then. Right? This is 2019. This is 3 years before the outbreak. Uh-uh.
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02:29:59
We were sponsoring the military reconquest of that region because that’s where the energy resources are. The population’s mostly in the west. The resources are mostly in the east. It’s the same same thing with with China and and and and Xinjiang in terms of that dichotomy. And so this is you know, when Hunter Biden said what when he was asked what he was doing on Burisma and whether he felt shame about it, he said he was doing a patriotic duty for his country.
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02:30:24
Burisma was an instrument of statecraft for the state department. What they were doing is is they were they were building that up. That’s why they had that’s why they had funding from from USAID. Again, the CIA funding conduit was was working with the Atlantic Council with 7 CIA directors on sport.
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02:30:43
Hunter Biden’s on the chairman’s advisory board of the NDI. Hunter Biden’s law firm even has this just broke 4 months ago. Hunter Biden’s law firm actually had a, wrote a pitch to the US state department for how, for how Burisma, could serve as a, you know, as basically a vassal for US state department interests in the region.
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02:31:04
You had the, you had, Burisma’s backchanneling with, was it the US ambassador in Rome for on similar grounds in terms of the, the the Italy grease supplies. But what you have here is a private sector for profit company, many such cases by the way, because not only was Hunter Biden on the board of Burisma as chairman’s advisory board of the CIA’s DNC cutout, but who else was on the board of, the board of directors right next to, right next to Hunter Biden?
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02:31:36
Cofer Black. Cofer Black who spent 30 years in the CIA, won CIA distinguished medals awards. You can read the Daily Beast article where Cofer Black is described as Mitt Romney’s Sherpa to the intelligence community to get the CIA’s blessing to back in against Barack Obama. What is this CIA luminary doing on the board of Burisma?
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02:31:57
What is Hunter Biden who the CIA personally calls the justice department off investigating his funding sources and is on the chairman’s advisory board of the CIA cutout, it’s because just like we have done since the 19 forties, it is a private it is a dual use entity. It’s a 4 it’s a for profit stand alone private sector firm, but it’s also an instrument of statecraft because every dollar that Burisma generates is one less dollar that Gazprom generates, and so it’s the it’s the best job in the world if you can get it.
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02:32:31
It is it’s it’s you get to keep all the profits, and you’re getting the backing of the battering ram of the blob. And remember, we personally intervened. It was Joe Biden at the Council on Foreign Relations who bragged about about forcing using the diplomatic carrots and sticks of the US empire that if Ukraine wanted their $1,000,000,000 in in assistance, they had to fire the prosecutor who is investigating Burisma.
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02:32:58
Nobody nobody in in in our in our congress, I think, is is prepared if if there was a total declassification of all CIA and state department cables and documents and meeting minutes and emails and communications, If if you had, for for all intelligence work related to Burisma, the treasure map that would break open, I think, would be an would would frankly be a diplomatic scandal because this gets to the larger play around the IMF and its play to privatize Naftogaz because there’s something very nasty here, which is that we have been trying to get just like we put Russia through shock therapy when when we won the cold war, and then it was the Harvard endowment and, you know, the Soros, you know, crew and the US state department who privatized 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars of state owned wealth by the Soviet Union so that it could become a capitalist society, but then the assets are held by Wall Street and London.
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02:33:55
This has this has been the play with Ukraine. They know the potential of the entire European energy market running through Ukraine if they can just get it up and running. So the so this grand Ukraine energy play has been to privatize naphtha gas, the the the feeder that Burisma feeds into, so that you have western stakeholders who make the money by capturing that that market, have the, have the blob of the the state department, the CIA, and the DOD impose enough pressure to carve Russia out of the market.
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02:34:27
Now you’ve got private sector stakeholders who are basically, you know, early stage equity holders in a totally protected because it’s protected by the the the bayonet of the the Pentagon, the state department, and the IC to make sure that that the profits run through there so that Russia doesn’t get it.
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02:34:45
So it’s a great job if you can get it. Jesus Christ.
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02:34:50
And all this stuff that was on the laptop, the what what was the whole thing about 10% to the big guy and what so was what what evidence is there?
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02:35:05
Yeah. Well, you know, the 10% of the big guy and in another text, you know, he I think he had said, you know, to one of his family members that, you know, half the paycheck goes to what you have here is is is almost is almost a tale as old as time since 1948 in terms of this relationship between private sector profit and foreign policy.
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02:35:28
I mean, I call it foreign policy for personal profit, which is this idea that if you have a senior level job in blobcraft, in defense, diplomacy, or intelligence, you don’t make your money as a w two employee of the US government. So for example, Mark Milley. Yeah. The the CIA director only makes about a little over $200,000 a year.
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02:35:52
You make I mean, more as a 3rd year corporate associate than the than the Central Intelligence Agency director. That’s you get your money from serving the stakeholders afterwards. Like, Mark Milley was, you know, joint head of the joint chiefs of staff. What’s he doing now?
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02:36:08
You know, he’s at he’s at JPMorgan, you know, doing the macroeconomic forecasting, so, you know, so that they basically have the insider trading vision of the guy who’s tapped into everyone at the Pentagon so they know what markets are about to open up because where the Pentagon’s about to exert its influence.
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02:36:25
They know whether to invest in natural gas in, you know, in companies in Germany or Ukraine because they have the head of the joint chiefs of staff as, to to make phone calls to the people in the Pentagon about what’s going to happen to that country in 6 months. Look up look. You wanna see a great example of this. Look up the Donilon brothers. Look up look up, look up Tom Donilon’s BlackRock Investment Institute profile.
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02:36:50
Tom Donilon is the brother of Mike Donilon. Mike Donilon is the the closest adviser to Joe Biden and has been for 40 years. Mike Donilon is, you know, I think began working with Biden in 1982. He’s literally the what they call the inner kitchen cabinet of, of the West Wing of the White House.
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02:37:10
Now that’s a great that’s a great job to have if you are Mike Donilon’s brother, Tom Donilon, who’s currently the chairman of the BlackRock Investment Institute. So while his brother is the closest adviser to the president of the United States, BlackRock, which has $10,000,000,000,000 of assets under management and portfolio companies in every industry in every region on Earth.
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02:37:33
Tom Donilon, in theory, only needs to make a phone call to his brother, Mike Donilon, to know exactly what to invest in in term because he knows what 1,000,000,000 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars of expenditure of state department and Pentagon and intelligence work is going to do to the industries in the region.
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02:37:51
Yeah. This is basically, like, Pelosi tracker, but for, like, military intelligence. It’s all legal. Tom Donilon again what’s Tom Donilon Tom Donilon didn’t start out as a banker. He was the national security adviser in charge of military intelligence and, and statecraft for the US empire. He was, he was at the state department.
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02:38:12
He was he was in IC. He was at DOD. He went straight from the blob to to BlackRock’s banker. Many such cases, as I mentioned, Mark Milley. Another one is Jared Cohen, if you know, who, was the policy planning staff whiz kid at the state department who introduced the CIA’s, you know, the CIA effectively to using social media for regime change work.
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02:38:35
He was the, you know, he was the guy who was known as Condie’s party starter, and to for how how Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state, could get could get this could could stop running regime change operations, out of US embassies and consulates and, and CI station houses.
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02:38:56
They could simply use social media to organize these, and that’s what resulted in the Arab Spring and the Facebook and Twitter revolutions that toppled Tunisia and Egypt. And then Jared Cohen then goes on to start Google Jigsaw, which is the you know, which which set in motion the entire world of AI censorship we now live under.
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02:39:14
What he just left Google Jigsaw. What’s he doing now? Well, he’s, yeah, now he’s at, Goldman Sachs, and he’s doing their geopolitical, you know, forecasting for for Goldman frigging Sachs. So blob to banker pipeline every time, you know, and this is how these people go from, you know, making 2, $300,000 a year to being able to live like the people who they used to have to answer to when they were in government.
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02:39:41
So they are using the assets of the American empire. They’re they’re adjusting US foreign policy in a way that maximizes their own personal gain. They’re not necessarily doing the calculus about, well, should we be spending all this money on you? If that’s what the stakeholders want, and this is what Biden was doing, and and this is what the 10% of the big guy thing comes back to.
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02:40:03
I mean, you just look at the the overwhelming, just unbelievable scope of it. I mean, first so first of all, Joe Biden was known as mister foreign policy in, by the council on foreign relations for 40 years. That is he was the blob’s inside guy, and the blob is the foreign policy establishment, which now has substantial control over our domestic politics.
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02:40:24
It’s supposed to face outward to manage the American empire, but when homeland politics interfere with the empire’s plans, they sic it against us. And so for 40 years, he was on the senate farm relations committee. For 15 of those years, he was either the chairman or the ranking member.
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02:40:39
So the top dog for oversight of the US, of the US state department. So, so he’s got these international connections. People are constantly pitching him for 40 years. There’s a great video. I think you can look it up.
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02:40:55
If you ever seen Joe Biden bragging about, you know, being a being a prostitute for, for the for the biggest donor and that when he when he turns when he turns 40, he was told that what at one meeting that, for the real big money, he should come back to them when he turns 40.
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02:41:11
Have you ever seen this? No. It’s a great clip. If you I think if you just look up, the word prostitute on Biden prostitute, on my ex account, you can you can find this. But, basically, Biden Incorporated was was running a foreign policy for per personal profit operation. I mean, here’s a crazy example. Joe Biden, I’m sorry.
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02:41:33
Hunter Biden, I believe, was oh, yeah. This is great.
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02:41:42
Well, I’m not sure you should assume I’m not corrupt, but it’s I’m thank you for that, though. The system does produce corruption, and and I think implicit in the system is corruption when in fact, whether or not you can run for public office, it costs a great deal of money to run for the United States Senate even from a small state like Delaware.
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02:41:59
You have to go to those people who have money, and they always want something. We were told that we politicians, as the young kids say, rip off the American public. I think the American public, in a way, rips off we politicians by forcing us to run the way they do. To raise $303,100,000 is no mean feat.
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02:42:17
And unless you happen to be some sort of anomaly like myself, being a 29 year old candidate and can attract some attention beyond your own state, it’s very difficult to raise that money from a large group of people. I’m a 29 year old oddball. The only reason I was able to raise the money is I was able to have a national constituency to run for office because I was 20 I’m like the token black or the token woman.
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02:42:38
I was the token young person. I went to the big guys for the money. I was ready to prostitute myself and the man and the man in which I talked about it. But what happened was they said come back when you’re 40, some
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02:42:49
And he’s 80.
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02:42:51
Amazing how good he talked
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02:42:52
about then.
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02:42:52
Yeah. Right. So smooth. Right.
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02:42:55
Mike, you have a lot to think about, man. I’m gonna have to listen to this one 3 or 4 times just to try to begin to absorb it. But, if it wasn’t for you, we wouldn’t know this. I mean, it takes someone who has done exhausting deep dives into this shit. And to be able to express it the way you do, I think, is incredibly important.
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I I think most people, including me, were not not aware of the scope of it until you came out with all this.
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02:43:22
Well, you’re you’re the man in the arena and, you know, been a personal inspiration for me for a long time and to what you’ve had to take on just to be able to do this show is, something
