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Josh Brolin is a producer, director, writer, and Academy Award-nominated actor. His memoir, “From under the Truck,” is available now.
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#2232 – Josh Brolin Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion revolves around self-improvement, perception, and the pursuit of a fulfilling life. A recurring theme is the importance of humility and gratitude, as highlighted by the advice to let go of ego, appreciate life, and spread positivity. The conversation touches on the significance of doing one’s best in all endeavors.
A major topic discussed is physical fitness and the experimentation with workout routines. The speakers question traditional workout recovery times, suggesting shorter rest periods to enhance muscle growth and challenge perceptions of physical limits. This reflects a broader theme of pushing boundaries and living life more vividly.
The editing process is also explored, emphasizing its role in refining, clarifying, and simplifying thoughts and experiences. This process is likened to personal growth, where continuous refinement leads to better outcomes.
The episode delves into the nature of iconic individuals, questioning what makes someone special or “crazy” and how these traits contribute to their success. This discussion is linked to the idea of challenging societal norms and perceptions.
Additionally, the conversation touches on the dynamics of honesty and trust, particularly in social settings where people may reveal their true selves. This leads to a broader discussion on Hollywood and politics, suggesting that rivalries and agendas often mask a shared pursuit of power and influence.
Overall, the episode encourages listeners to challenge their perceptions, strive for personal growth, and maintain a positive outlook on life.
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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Hey. Oh. Little though peep. She needed the money. Oh. Oh. How remember how great that was?
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Oh, yeah. When I first met him, it was, like, one of those weird things where, you know, you know, I mean, you’ve met a lot of famous people. Some of them you meet them, you’re like, oh, fucking really? It’s weird. Oh, there’s bummer too. Yeah. The bummer ones that sucks. When you meet someone, they suck.
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You’re like, oh, no. You suck.
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I know. Exactly.
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Some people just just not talk. They should only do what they do. Act and sing.
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But then you get to know them. Like, I don’t know. Like, I’m pretty good at this now where you don’t where you see people that you, like, looked up to. Like Eddie Vedder, I had a pretty close relationship
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with Eddie Vedder.
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Yeah. But I was drinking, and then I would grab his balls and do
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shit like that. And then it
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was like, I don’t want him around. I don’t want Josh around. Yeah. I don’t like that anymore. I don’t want my you know? And I think Sean Penn appreciated shit like that. Like, while somebody has
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the balls,
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it’s not even a little chaos. It’s like somebody has the balls to, like, call me on my shit. Like, not everybody’s afraid of me.
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Oh, right. Yeah. He’s probably used to people constantly being
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a fucking fan. Like, oh, I can’t fuck with him. Right.
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Well, he does wild shit. Like, when he went down to fucking Mexico and met with El Chapo, like, Jesus Christ, dude. That’s that’s fucking wild shit.
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And I do think that that’s organic, but I think that that’s also you just have that thing where you just go, you know what? Shit’s getting boring. Right. The weather is just too fucking nice here.
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Weather’s too nice. I’m too famous. Let’s go be a monster. Yeah.
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Let’s go fuck some shit up. Let’s do something let’s do something
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Let’s do something really reckless.
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Resonate for at least a year.
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Yeah. That whole El Chapo thing was so crazy though because that kind of is one of the things that got him caught.
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It it was. Right?
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Yeah. Yeah. Because they, you know, they track your cell phone data. Yeah. They know where you go. And if you’re bringing your fucking cell phone, you’re basically bringing a tracking device to to go find one of the most notorious gangsters alive today.
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The most I mean, who who’s who is the guy with the football team back in the day? Like,
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the Pablo Escobar?
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Think about it. It’s our days. This time is Pablo Escobar. Yeah. And Sean Penn.
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Goes and hangs out, bro.
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It’s it’s Spicoli. Because you know what, man? Spicoli. Hey, who wants to come with me and find this motherfucker?
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Did he go solo?
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I know. I think so.
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I think he went solo. Well, he knew that lady who was, like, a reporter. You know, there was, like, this really hot
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Mexican reporter. Mexican girl. Yeah.
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Yeah. He knew her. Was she dating her? I don’t know. But, I think she had a thing with El Chapo.
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After that? No. Like Did Sean reintroduce them properly?
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I don’t know. I think he knew her and she knew him. She knew El Chapo.
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Oh, right. That’s how he got. That was the connect.
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And El Chapo is like, I like the meat spicoli.
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Yeah. I love you.
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Yeah. I really enjoyed you in colors. And then then next thing you know
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What’s the most dangerous thing that you do now? What do you think? Dangerous? Yeah. Like, we’re talking about Sean going out on a limb. Do you find it necessary to go out and do things that, like, challenge you in a way? Yes. Challenge your psyche?
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Yes.
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In what way?
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Elk hunting is probably the most exciting.
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What is? Elk hunting.
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Elk hunting.
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Why? Because it puts you in danger?
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Well, no. It’s just really difficult. You know, you’re bow hunting in the mountains.
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Right.
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And it’s just you in the mountains and just fucking mountain lions.
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Up there for days days days and days and do you quarter your
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your kills? Pack it out. Yeah.
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See, that’s a different thing. Yeah. You know, people say I don’t I don’t like hunt personally, I like, I grew up in a very red part of California. Everybody hunts that I grew up with. And I would shoot and I would hunt with my dad and I would, like, fucking think about it and dream about it for 3 weeks.
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Oh, yeah. I love it. I love it. I love eating No.
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No. No. I’m saying that I would, like, spiral.
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Oh, you get negative with it.
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Not even it was yeah. I guess it would be negative, but it would, like, made me think of, like, the kids that were going, like, mom? Mom, are you there? And I just killed the mother. It’s like the Bambi kind of thing. Right. But I eat meat. Mhmm.
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So that hypocritical thing of, like, I don’t wanna kill anything, but I want you to kill it for me so I can eat it because I really like the way it tastes.
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Well, that’s the anthropomorphization of animals that Disney has kind of done a number on people with, you know, like Bambi and Right. Yogi Bear and all that kind of shit, cartoons and teddy bears. And we have a very you know, living in, when you live in urban areas and cities and people, you know, streets and concrete, people just get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship with nature.
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And when you’re a kid and you’re just these are sweet cute things and then all of a sudden you’re you’re supposed to go murder 1. Like, it’s all fucked up.
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It’s
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But it’s what’s fucked up is the cartoons. I mean, they’re cute and everything.
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Because they depict it in a way how
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Well, it’s just completely distorted. You have these animals that are talking to each other and the hunters are always assholes and, like, if it wasn’t for hunters, there would be no humans. We’d have never made it this far. Yeah.
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If we
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were all just eating fucking tubers and grapes and shit, we would have never made it.
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Do you like garbanzo beans?
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They’re not bad. I don’t prefer
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Have you ever hunted one? No. It’s fucking wild.
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How do you do that?
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You get take a bunch of acid. Go to Italian restaurant. A bunch of acid. It’s possible. Yeah. Yeah. What what about the sexual connotations of Disney? Like, you know, did you ever hear that thing that Disney Walt Disney had, like, the biggest porn collection of all time?
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Really?
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That’s what I heard. I don’t know how much of it is true. You know? Have you
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ever seen how,
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There’s, like, the Rod Stewart thing, and there’s there’s Oh, Rod Stewart. Mean? I don’t know if it’s Right. I don’t know how much Jamie.
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Did Walt Disney have a gigantic porn collection? I wouldn’t be surprised. A lot of people that are, like, really into kids stuff and, like, sweet wholesome stuff, they did they Have
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that other kind of slant.
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Yeah. They need some Or eventually flip? Maybe. Maybe it’s a cover or maybe it’s, like, they’re so cutesy with the fucking completely wholesome stuff that they have to balance it out with some bonded shit.
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Some fucked up shit.
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Some guys getting kicked in the nuts and
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ball games. That people feel that people in Hollywood and Texans are like that? Like, I know people that have moved to Texas and they and they’ve called me. There was one guy that I used to work out with in Venice. And he started he moved here and he called me and he’d be like, hey, man.
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You know, the list is coming out. And I go, what list? And he goes, you know, the list.
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The list.
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And I go, am I on the list?
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No.
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And he goes, no. You’re clean. You’re good. But I know you know who’s on the list. I’m glad I know I didn’t do anything wrong even though I didn’t do anything wrong. And I said, but why are you for 2 like a twofold thing. Why are you under the impression that everybody in Hollywood lives under the same roof? Like, we all live in the same apartment complex.
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It’s they.
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It’s they. Yeah. They.
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It’s they. They are out there
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They’re out there doing that thing. Yeah. And then what would why how could you possibly think that that a guy who’s a trainer at Gold’s in Venice would have the list? Why was he chose?
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Well, he goes on Reddit. He comes on Reddit. That’s how you get the list. That’s how you get the list.
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I still am waiting for the list. Yeah. I think I’m gonna see him when I’m when I’m here. We started communicating again.
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Well, when you have things like the Epstein client list that doesn’t get released, then it fuels these kind of conspiracy theories about there being a list.
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So why is that list not released?
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That’s a very good question.
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Who has that list?
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Well, for sure, someone has the list. Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail. Right? So she must have talked. Like, there must have been conversations.
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Right.
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And there must be a bunch of very powerful people that are on that list. And, you know
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Are all the powerful people in cahoots? Well, something that I learned, like, when I played when I played w, I played a senator. What was that like? W.
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Did that what is it like playing a guy who’s still alive? Did you meet with him or hang out with him at all?
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Scary. I mean, it it no. I wanted to.
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Did you ever meet him?
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No. God. That’s weird. Right? I had the opportunity to meet him afterwards, and and there was something about him that was more remember when he was, like, giving candy to Michelle Obama and all that? And Yeah. It was, like, a really friendly kind of a mysterious thing, and I was, like, I would like to meet him.
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And then I saw his paintings of his dogs, and I said, I don’t wanna meet him. I just don’t like, it was something attractive for a moment.
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Let’s say that it was like that got you.
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I don’t know, and I love paintings. I don’t know what it was, but
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You didn’t like the paintings? I
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no. It’s not that I didn’t like the paintings.
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There’s something in the paintings.
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There was I don’t know what it
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was, man. Something in the paintings is I killed a 1000000 people with fake weapons of mass destruction. You know, there’s we had a fake story, and I used that story to justify an invasion of a country, and now a 1000000 people are dead.
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So that’s the question.
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And I’m haunted every night.
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I just paint dogs. That are staring like that. Like, your face right now is exactly how every eye is in his dog’s paintings. It’s so funny. That guy
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must be medicated. They must put him on some things so he could sleep.
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Is that that look? I think Did he put into his dog’s eyes the look that he has always or at least that he feels that he has?
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Like, there’s a haunted Tis lens? His real look behind his eyes. Yeah.
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How he sees the world,
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how he experiences the world. Running around knowing that you did that? Not just that you did that, but that there’s no culpability. Like, no one went to jail for that. No one even got brought up on charges.
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Well, that’s what I was bringing up because when I would meet these people, I would you know, I went to the senate floor and I met a lot of these people, and then I met a lot of rich people, which is when I met Trump, actually, the 21 club. Back when I knew a lot about him, I was fascinated by the whole
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What’s the 21 club?
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21 club is a place that he used to go a lot. And it was like, you know, yeah, you have a chance to meet this billionaire, this billionaire, and then Trump.
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Eyes watch. Shut type shit.
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Yeah. So he, was I gonna say? Is he oh, meeting these people, especially getting them drunk, you know, where people get super honest. Right. You know, where they go, you you know what, man? I trust you. I trust you. And you’re like, here it comes. Here it comes.
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Whereas before that, they were like, you know, I’m not sure. And I just said, what I think is, you know, and then they finally go, I just fuck her. I fucked her. I didn’t I couldn’t you know, and they’re like, oh, or they tell you what’s going on. But the thing that I learned, and I’m really curious about, like what we were talking about Hollywood and the perception of them all being in it together, is don’t you think that the rivalries and all that, not entirely, but that all politicians are basically under the same roof.
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They all know what each other’s doing and that there’s more of an agenda of power to keep the public thinking a certain way. Well, there’s there’s brainwashed.
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There’s certainly a benefit to that.
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Of course, there is.
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Yeah. There’s a benefit to that. And then there’s also the the the underlying factor is money, of course. Like there’s so much money and influence. There’s so many special interest groups. There’s so many lobbyists.
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There’s That’s what I mean.
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So many massive corporations that are donating to campaigns. Yeah. Yeah. So there’s there’s always going to be this desire to sort of
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color things a certain life. Pacify.
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Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And then treat you like you’re a baby so they can continue making insane amounts of money.
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That’s true.
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Like, if you’re someone like Nancy Pelosi and you’re worth 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars and you make a $170,000 a year and there’s no fucking explanation
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Yeah.
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Like, just that alone. Like, you have to kinda keep people in the dark. You have to kinda, like, keep dancing and Yeah. Otherwise, you’re going to jail. Like, so so so it’s gonna start investigating, and they gotta go, like, what you did is not legal
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Yeah.
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And you’re gonna be in real trouble.
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How’d you what’s your relationship like with money?
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In what way? Just
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in what you you made a certain amount of money for a long time.
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I don’t think about it.
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You don’t think about it?
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No. No. What I like about money is to not think about it. That’s what I like.
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Do you like spending it?
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I like buying stuff.
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Me too.
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I have a nice car. Drove here. I drove a 69, Camaro.
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See? But that’s different. Yeah.
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I like that.
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That’s fucking different. Yeah. That’s character.
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I like fun stuff, but
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Fun stuff.
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For the most part, I’m not interested in it, like, as a goal. You know, I just I don’t what I like about money is not having to think about it. My friend Brian Cowan said this to me once. He said, he goes, real freedom is when you can go to a restaurant and not worry about anything costs. He’s like, everything else is bullshit.
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It is.
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And it really is. Everything else is bullshit. When you just go to a restaurant, get a nice steak, you know, order a bottle of wine, have a good time, and not think about the bill.
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What I think happens is is and be grateful for it. Mhmm. And to remind yourself to be that that that’s exist to be grateful for Yeah. And not be taken advantage of. And I think that’s one of the hardest things about money slash power is you start treating things as if they’re underneath you. Oh.
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You know? Yeah. Where you go, god, I’m so glad I can go anywhere in the world right now and get a meal, and I don’t have to think about how am I gonna pay for this. Yeah. Am I gonna be in debt on my credit card?
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But when you start saying, excuse me
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Oh, yeah.
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I said I said 204 degrees, not 190. Right. Uh-huh. Read my you know, and you’re like
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Oh, that’s just gross.
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That’s just It is gross, but it happens.
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Taking that’s just taking advantage of this relationship that everyone knows where service people have to be nicer than they really would be normally, like a regular person. So people that
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Hoping for a tip. Hoping for one of your many 100
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Yeah. It’s gross.
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1,000 or 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars.
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Disgusting. It’s a gross way to treat people, but some people want to get rich so they they could do that to people. Maybe someone did it to them when they were younger and they’re like, I can’t wait to do this to other people.
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I mean, when you said nice car and you were like, I thought you were gonna say, I was like, oh, please no. Like, Lamborghini or
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No. I don’t have any of those.
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And then No.
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I like muscle cars. I like old muscle cars. That’s my favorite.
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That’s like me at 37 knucklehead and people say, oh, is that an affectation? I know you’re friends with Momo or whatever. I go, no, man. I’ve been riding motorcycles since I was 3 and a half years old.
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They’re fun.
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They’re not only fun. There’s something on us. If you read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintain, which is the only book that’s ever been written that’s kind of gets close to the kind of spiritual place. If you’re a true motorcyclist, whether you’re riding with your son or whether you’re riding with a grid of guys or whatever, that beautiful thunderous when you’re in a when you’re in a group of guys who really know what they’re doing and you’re in absolute fucking sync.
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Yeah. Yes. Your arms are up here, and your arms are pretty numb at that point, but you’re fucking soaring. You’re an eagle on a fucking jet stream.
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You ever heard, Hunter s Thompson in do you know that documentary they did, Gonzo? Yeah. Like, that that in the documentary, the very beginning, he talks about riding a motorcycle.
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Oh, I don’t remember that. Coast highway. I don’t remember that.
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Oh, it’s fucking great. See if you can find that. He he he talks about riding a motorcycle. How about, like, that the the the lines begin to blur Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And you just you’re just on the edge and how alive you are. It’s a fucking tough task.
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To get into this book right away, but there was I wrote they came to me. It’s the only story that I wrote that somebody asked me to write for the book. And they were like, well, you’re really into motorcycles. Why don’t you write a story about motorcycles? And I tried, and it was just bad and bad. And everything I wrote was, like, so forced and bullshit.
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And finally, I said, I can’t do it. I’m not gonna write it. And the minute I said I’m not gonna do this, I started writing. It just kinda started
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to come out, and it’s good. Do you write by hand?
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I do. Yeah? Mostly.
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Do you feel more of a connection
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when you write by hand? Why I do it. Because you don’t like any which way, whether it’s on the phone, whether, you know, I remember people saying like I I write, you know, by hand. I hand write because it’s it’s the way it used to be and I was like, yeah. It also used to be under candlelight which fucked your eyes up.
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Also be used to be people had slaves. Yeah. Polish is dead.
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You can also
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You can only get around by
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a horse. Caves and shit. Why don’t you go paint on a cave? Tell me a story. Try to get it published.
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Yeah. Get a witch doctor to
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take care of your birth
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and leg. How it
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comes out. I think real writing is anywhere, anytime, however you can get it out. I don’t think there’s a muse that’s needed. I think it’s work, man.
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It is work. I think the muse is like it’s it’s a concept. Right? Have you ever read Pressfield’s The War of Art? Yeah. Of course. Great book.
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Great book.
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I think he’s right, though, when he says you summon the muse when you sit down to work, but that’s also just like an intention thing. Like, you have so much time and effort put on a thing, and when you do that, your mind gets more in sync with creativity.
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Yeah.
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But if you treat it like it’s a muse, it actually does work. Like, if you show up every day and, like, say
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Click into that thing.
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Pay respect to the muse. I’m sitting here, and I’m ready to write. I’m a professional, and I’m ready to go. And treat it like you’re summoning the the muse. Yeah. Yeah. It actually works. It there actually is an effect that happens. I don’t know if there’s an actual muse, but you can understand why someone would think that there’s a muse because that
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Why do people chant? Why do people meditate? Why do people that? That’s the muse. Whatever the muse is, it’s like talking about God. What’s God? I don’t know. Depends on who you’re talking to. Yeah. God is a feeling. God is something that that fucking thing that keeps you inspired. It keeps the gasoline at a high octane.
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Well, it’s something that That’s
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how I see it.
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It’s something that gets you away from your ego, ego and into your mind, into your consciousness, into, like, your your perceptions of things Mhmm. Your ability to express it. And it’s such a it’s a focus thing. And the more you focus on it, the more that muscle grows, the more you get adapted to it.
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Because your ego is worried about how people are gonna perceive you. Right. And that’s not right. Yeah. You’re writing for somebody. You wanna look cool. You wanna look cool, people are like, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I read that book, then you wrote, man. Holy shit. I had no idea. You’re amazing.
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That’s the grossest conversation ever.
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Yeah. It’s a gross
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Cocktail party in Hollywood. Some guy comes up to you and tells you you’re amazing. True. You are a genius.
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I had and it’s always with those
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guys. Shown crap.
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I had no idea, dude.
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Meanwhile, that guy is trying to sell you on some multilevel marketing scheme or something. There’s something he’s trying to tap into you with.
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I wanna buy that book. I wanna option your book. Oh, no. Here comes a fucking movie.
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I also have a script I’d love you to see.
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Yeah. What’s it is it a Disney? Is it about That’s what I think. Animals talking?
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I really love about living in Texas is there’s no Hollywood. There’s no show business. I don’t have to deal with any of these people with, like, alternative agendas.
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We just moved to say we just I wanna go back to that, but we just moved to Santa Barbara.
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Santa Barbara’s awesome.
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Santa bar it’s funny. I love that. Everybody fucking think that?
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It is awesome. Cedar. I love it out there. So pretty. Because it’s beautiful.
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Because it’s beautiful. What about the people? I’m not They’re a
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little elitist. There’s a lot of elitist
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people out there. Place for me. So I grew up in Santa Barbara. Mhmm. I was in Paso Robles, which is ranch country about 30 minutes above Santa Barbara. And then we moved to Santa Barbara when I was 11, and it was Montecito, but it was a very different Montecito. Like, yes, there were a couple of rich people. Yes. My dad was doing okay by then. He had done Marcus Welby.
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He did, at that time, he did Amityville Horror. So he had a little bit of money, but we bought, you know, what would now be a 30 $5,000,000 home in Montecito.
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Right.
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He bought for $600,000. Uh-huh. Same fucking house.
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Right. Right.
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Do you know what I mean? So it was a different Montecito and then whatever, you know, group I I grew up with. But I went to the point is I went to jail there a lot. I just did. I just liked it. Instead instead of the museum, I went to jail. I was like, no, mom. I’m gonna go to jail today. And then so in LA, Venice Beach. I love Venice Beach, but Venice Beach has even changed.
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You know, used to know everybody, and everybody kind of coexisted beautifully. And and then Venice Beach changed. It got totally randomly violent. Being yeah. We were very dangerous.
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Very dangerous. Yeah. Little kids. Okay. So we moved to Malibu. We’re close to Laird. I know Laird and Gabby and all that thing, but it never landed.
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So we were always talking about moving even though we’re kinda building the house and we’re finalizing everything. We’re always talking when we talk about Texas, my mom’s from Texas, We were talking about East Coast. We were talking about Europe, all these places, but never Santa Barbara.
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I would never move back to Santa Barbara. Because by the way, honey, if we move to Santa Barbara, which you love so much and you think is so beautiful, our little girls will eventually for sure go to prison. That was in my mind. Why? Because in my mind, I yep. Totally. Most of my friends who grew up in Montecito are dead. Like, 36 out of 50. Really?
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Hell, yeah. Yeah. They all died. From what? Heroin epidemic, punk rock
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Oh, god.
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Driving accidents. 36 out of 50? Out of 50. Wow. Best friend, Jason Sears, who was the lead singer of Rich Kids on LSD, RKL, which was a big punk band that influenced a bunch of people. Nirvana, you know, Pearl Jam, all these people.
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Rich Kids on LSD is a great name for a band.
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Look it up. Can you look it up? Jason Sears, Rich Kids on LSD. We got a tattoo at the same time. I got a a tattoo from Freddie Negrete that’s gone now because I get removed it. But it was a big Jesus with blood coming out of the hands, and Jason that same night got the same night, got eat shit on his ass.
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See if you can find Jason’s ass that says eat shit on it.
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Wow.
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You’re gonna put that in? Jason Sears eat shit. Yeah. Where is it? Oh, you gotta just keep looking. Yeah. It’ll be there. So why was I oh, so eventually, when we finally said, look. We’re not moving. We should be grateful. We’re not grateful enough. That’s the problem.
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We’re not grateful enough, but Malibu just didn’t kind of sit. And then one day I’m
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on the Malibu?
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I love Malibu. It’s just remote. You know? Like, we already are remote in Paso Robles. We have a place in Paso Robles, a place where I grew up, not the ranch I grew up. It’s about 3 miles down the road, but that’s remote and a remote that I love. I love remote, but I love extremes.
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I don’t wanna be sort of next to Santa Monica, and it’s 20 miles away and it takes 2 and a half hours to get there.
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Right.
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You and I were talking about that. I don’t wanna sit in traffic for half my life. Right. I just don’t want to. Yeah. If I wanna be somewhere, I wanna be somewhere. So Santa Barbara represented a place where you kind of had your own piece of property, but everything was 10 minutes away. You got dance class for the girls.
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You got soccer. You got this. Right. You know? You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So that was the thing. But but never I would never was I gonna go back to Santa Barbara. I finally put on Zillow Santa Barbara. One house came up, and that’s the house that we bought, and it was Joe Walsh’s old house. Oh, wow. Which is amazing.
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That’s incredible.
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Incredible. That’s incredible. And I asked him anyway, I have to finish the story. It’s that I was so freaked out about moving up to Santa Barbara. I still hadn’t made the kind of transition that I contracted a mild case to a Bell’s palsy. Really? Yeah. Like, literally was stressing out my wife.
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It was like, you gotta and I’m not a stress guy. And she was like, you gotta mellow the fuck out. I’m like, yeah. But you don’t know what’s gonna happen when we move up here. It’s like it’s gonna be So your face
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started like sad?
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So literally, I’m washing my face. I’m doing this, and it just started going
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Wait. When was this?
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4 months ago.
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Okay. That’s a side effect of the vaccine too. That’s one of the side effects of COVID 19 vaccines. Yeah.
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I’ve also heard that speech impediments are also I’ve heard a lot of things. Kids taking vaccines
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Yeah.
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Some things happening.
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Yeah. Yeah. That vaccine in particular.
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That one.
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The mRNA one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know quite a few people that develop Bell’s palsy from them. Well, whatever you wanna call them.
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Are you serious?
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Yeah. Facial paralysis. Yeah. I know 2 people specifically who developed face facial, like, droopy face.
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Because when my older kids They
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went away.
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When my older kids were young, there were what? 17 vaccinations?
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Mhmm.
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And now that my younger kids are young, there’s 50
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72. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a a series of them, but it’s ultimately 72 shots.
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Yeah. Yeah. And It’s a scary prospect, man.
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Well, the the fucked up thing is if you talk about it, you’re an anti vaxxer, and you’re a conspiracy theorist. But that’s a big one because they’ve done a really good job of demonizing anyone who questions
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Yeah.
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A medicine that might be correlated with a bunch of fucking serious diseases.
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Yeah. Exactly.
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And for whatever reason
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Profit.
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They’ve yeah. They’ve just done a great job of gaslighting people
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Yeah.
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And scaring the shit out of people by labeling anybody who did like, look what they did to Jenny McCarthy. Do you remember when Jenny McCarthy had a kid and her kid had autism, and she thought that autism had possibly come from vaccines? And they basically ran around of Hollywood.
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But why would they do that? What’s the reason?
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Money.
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What do they benefit money?
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Well, the thing is
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for money.
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During the, Reagan administration, they, the vaccine companies, pharmaceutical drug companies that are making vaccines, they said we are unable to make these vaccines if we’re liable. Because if we’re liable, there’s too many lawsuits are gonna come our way because vaccines cannot be completely safe and effective just by virtue of the mechanism in which they work.
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Mhmm. You know, you have, an irritant. You have this, this this virus, this dead virus, your body sees the aluminum or whatever it is. It it reacts to that in a negative way and it finds the dead virus. It develops antibodies just by the way they work.
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Right.
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When you vaccinate a enormous amount of people, you’re gonna have a certain amount of people that have a negative reaction. If we have lawsuits for every person that has a negative reaction, we’re gonna go out of business. Yeah. So they made them immune. They made them immune.
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And you know what happened? Immediately, they’re like, well, you need a vaccine for this. I need to go vaccine for that.
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And then Knowing that there was no drawback.
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Hepatitis b vaccines. Right. Babies.
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Right. When you’re born.
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Why were you born? Which Right
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when you’re born.
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You know, there’s also doctors that say, it doesn’t even really work for babies, but what you’re doing is you’re you’re conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child’s gonna get regularly vaccinated. Mhmm. My doctor, fortunately, my our pediatrician wanted to put the kids on a, a different schedule, a slower schedule, and he didn’t want them to have any vaccines until they were 2.
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Your doctor in California?
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Yes. And he but he it was not like a quack. He was like, I think the way to do it I mean, yeah, there’s a a schedule of vaccines your kids have to get unless you’re have religious exemption.
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But let’s not assault your children Right. With a potential poison because everybody is different. If I take a bong hit, I might end up under the table. If you take a bong hit, you actually may feel smarter and clearer. I remember Dean Potter who was a climber, and he was like, I stopped smoking pot for 4 months.
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But when I started smoking pot, I could feel the hold at 2,000 feet.
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Oh, yeah.
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Sheer cliff. Nothing underneath. No ropes. But I felt more confident. And for me, I go, if I took a bong head out up there, I could be 4 feet up and be freaking out.
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Right. It’s different for everybody. Yeah.
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Everybody has different brains. It’s like psychopharmaceuticals. Mhmm. Let’s just give them all lithium or let’s give them all that. You have to experiment. The the idea of experimenting with that shit is super scary.
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It is. It is super scary. And it’s also super scary when you’re not liable for any of the repercussions. And you’re just pushing it on people because you’re a corporation, and corporations just wanna make money. Their their thing is just was just unlimited growth. They just have a they have an obligation to their shareholders. Every quarter, they wanna make more money, and they just keep ramping it up. Yeah.
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Like, we remember really well
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this year. Seinfeld talking about that. He was like, I remember back in the seventies and comedy, you know, green rooms and all that. We’d all be fucking with each other and it had never had anything to do with money because nobody was really making money, like money money, like tons of money.
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It was just about what set are you gonna do? Right. What are you trying out?
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Right.
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Are you gonna fail? Are you not gonna fail?
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You know?
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But it was this community again, and I think that things have grown into not that I wanted to talk about this or they even thought about it before, but the money thing is a very interesting thing to me, you know. And if you wanna take it back to the book which we can talk
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about later Money is good.
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The anti celebrity. It’s like how do you stay grounded? Yeah. How do you stay accountable? And why would you stay accountable because I actually give a fuck about people instead of just being in it for myself. Yeah. And I think that’s the difference.
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Well, I think one of the things that happens to people with money is you didn’t have money when you’re young. Now all of a sudden you have money and you get really scared about losing that money.
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Take it away.
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Yeah. You get scared it’s gonna go away because now you realize, oh my god. It’s so much better to not have to worry about your bills. It’s so much better to have some money to buy things.
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Yeah. Totally.
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And then you start thinking only about money and start making decisions only for money. Yeah. And then you go down the weird road. Yeah. And it, you know, really distorts artists. It it it fucks a lot of people up. Yeah. You know, you see it in a lot of bands. They start making, like, poppy songs when they used to be, like, raw and gritty when they were younger.
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They used to be used to be like authentic and then also they’re making like theme songs for films. It’s like weird fucking romance songs.
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For Romantics.
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Like Aerosmith went through a bunch of that shit.
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Totally.
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Where to me as an Aerosmith, you know, lover as a kid to see them, you know, go from, like, dream on to, like, the shit they were
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Now and I wonder with, like, drug addiction and all that, I wonder if it’s, like, if the parallel is I went back to heroin at that point because I just couldn’t fucking deal. Do you know what I mean? I think
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it’s when they get off heroin, they start wanting to make money.
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You know? How can I make I don’t know?
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I need to make some money. I spent all my fucking money.
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But look at I wonder if there’s any connection, like, with member of Philip Seymour Hoffman, like, one of the greatest actors that ever lived, and I’ve known his mother since I was doing theater in Rochester, New York. It was like a 20 year old, 21 year old, and she would come up to me and she say, I think you’re a fine actor.
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And I go, oh, thank you very much. And and she goes, you know, my son just moved to New York. He like, he’s he wants to be an actor. And I said, oh, what’s his name? Phil. Phil’s his name. Oh, well, tell Phil good luck.
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Good luck to Phil in that, you know, it’s like every anybody who wants to be an actor just Right. The odds of it happening is just not gonna happen. And then Phil became this guy, 22 years of sobriety, who had an inkling in the beginning and said, you know what? I don’t want this to control, like, my thing, so I’m not gonna do it.
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I’m gonna give everything I am to acting, and I’m gonna try to make the best career theater career, movie career, whatever. And then, you know, and I again, I have it in the book where I see him on the street, and I’m crazy, and I’ve gotten into a fight with my wife, and I’m walking down Columbus Avenue, and I have cords on.
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I have no shoes. I have no shirt on my out of my fucking head. And I look to my left, and I see Nick Nolte at a cafe. Oh. And we lock eyes, and I’ve never met Nick Nolte. I’ve never seen him, and it will happen that I actually will have a relationship with him later on.
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But we lock eyes, and the moment is he’s seeing in me what he used to be or seeing in me what I’m to become. I’m seeing in him what I’m to become later. Right? Right. Then I see Philip Seymour Hoffman who’s standing there talk I go, hey, Phil. It’s Josh. What’s up?
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You’re doing so well, man. Fuck. Good for you, dude. No shirt. No no shirt. No shoes.
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And he’s standing there with one foot pointed toward me and another foot pointed in the direction that he wants to go. You have people stay on me, and they’re like, good to see you, man. Look out of here. Yeah. Good. Good. Oh, no.
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Now how is that the guy that died of a heroin overdose? Did he get injured?
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No. No? He just got back on it? Because sometimes it what happens is, people get injured.
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And they have surgery and then they have back and then they get on, you know, quite a few people.
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Caught me too.
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I know a lot of people that that that’s kind of been the trajectory.
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No pain, nothing.
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To me, there’s another parallel and the parallel is I just wanna make money. Finally, I’m sick of doing independence. I’m sick of doing this and not making any money. And then you start doing, you know, whatever he was Hunger Games or
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And then you feel hollow. And then you wanna fill yourself
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talking about before.
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You wanna numb yourself up because you feel like a whore.
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You feel like a whore.
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Yeah.
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It’s like there’s one thing about, like, actually finding solace and saying, hey, man. I’m older. I’m gonna do this movie. I get it. I would like you know, I got college coming up for my kids and you justify it in a way that’s okay. And then there’s one thing about you’ve identified yourself so much as an artist that to release yourself from that identity in other people’s minds, again, going back to the ego, that you do it just fucks you up.
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Right. You just
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can’t deal.
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And then you wanna escape from your reality. Exactly. Yeah. You wanna numb yourself. Yeah. Well, that is a real fucking thing, man. And if you’ve ever done a project where it’s, like, really I did a really bad sitcom once. And, I remember Did you acted it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It was terrible. And I remember while I was doing it, I was just imagining, like, what if this is my life? What if this stupid piece of shit sitcom goes for, like, 10 years?
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10 years. And I have
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to keep because there’s sitcoms that, inexplicably, are very successful or were the nineties. Yeah. And very successful, and they were terrible. Terrible. They’re terrible.
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But people love them. Well, people wanna be no eating ice cream.
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They just wanna slack jaw, sit in front of the computer or whatever the TV and eat SpaghettiOs, just fucking numb themselves to some mundane bullshit. And if you’re doing that kind of a thing, you live in hell. Mhmm. And a lot of those people that do those things, they wind up doing drugs because they just feel very lost.
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If you do that and you’re doing you live in hell.
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Yeah. You live in hell.
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Which it is
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Yeah. To me. It sounds crazy to a person listening. Oh, you’re making $50,000 a week. How are you living? You’re living in hell. Like, what are you talking about? No. No. No. No. No. That’s not going to be going. That’s great. That would be amazing.
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But if you wanna do a thing, if, like, you wanna be a great comic or you wanna be a great actor and you’re doing so have incentives. Right. You have to have you wanna you have to wanna create something really good. Right.
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And
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when you can’t create something really good and you’re just doing it for money, you feel trapped and you feel like shit. And then you have to reward yourself for this stupid fucking thing you do. Yeah.
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So what
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do you do? You go out and buy a nice Mercedes. You get a fucking house in Malibu. Now you have a large monthly nut that you have to cover. But when you take people over your house, like, look how I’m living. Yeah. Look at this ocean view.
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Come on. How much of this house do you use? Nothing. Nothing. But I
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always say to my friends, my my young comic friends that are coming up, your house is just your house. I I remember when I first got a nice apartment when I moved to North Hollywood in 1994, I got a loft apartment and a pool table in it and a nice stereo, and I was like, this is incredible.
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I have a nice apartment. This is amazing. And then after a while, it just became my house. Yeah. It was where I live.
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And I realized at that moment, like, oh, this is oh, it’s all the same feeling. Like, all you need in a house is it to be comfortable. Yeah. You need a TV and a kitchen,
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and that’s how it’s supposed to It’s supposed to it’s it’s the place that you sleep.
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Yeah. It’s a place where you relax.
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Where you live your the entirety of your life.
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You can relax almost anywhere that’s comfortable and safe. That’s all you need. And then everything else is kinda bullshit.
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Yeah.
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It’s kind of the things that you get for your money. It’s like there’s a lot of things that people spend a lot of money on, and they’re not really worth it. You don’t really get anything out of it.
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That’s why it was interesting walking in here and, you know, man cave. I hate that fucking term, man cave. Man cave. Mhmm. You know, it’s a gay cave. You know?
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Well, it’s man cave because no woman would ever let me decorate this place this way.
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But it’s not that no woman wouldn’t like it. I think there’s there’s some
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Well, my wife likes it when she comes here. She just doesn’t wanna live in it.
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She doesn’t wanna live. Do you wanna live in it?
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No. I wouldn’t wanna live here.
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Well, there you go.
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But I might if I was, like, a single guy, I might decorate my house like this.
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But it’s things the point is that there’s things when I walked in here, it made me smile because I started seeing things that inspire. And you like to surround yourself. Like, if somebody comes in and does an interior design of your office Ugh.
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Ugh. Yeah. Ugh.
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And they go, we we brought in this amazing fabric from Paris. And you go, but I don’t like it. And I remember when we were doing our house, we were like I said, look, man. You can get things from Target. I don’t wanna feel that people have to take I don’t want anybody to feel that that they have to take their shoes off. That’s what I don’t.
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I want them to feel that they can scuff up the floor Right. Because that’s the mark that they made when they walked in my house. Yes. And maybe I don’t even like the scuff. I don’t like that they walked so heavy.
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Yeah.
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But it’s their mark. Right. They are leaving our mark. Right. So I said That’s not
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something about this table. That’s why this table has all these stains on it.
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Seriously, it’s good. It has character.
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Yeah. It’s a lot.
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And that’s the thing is, like, when we built our the ranch, I said there were shelves. I said I want linoleum or what is it from Micah? Linoleum on the shelves. We have 150 year old barn wood, but along with linoleum because linoleum reminds me of, like, trailer parks and shit.
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It just makes me fucking smile. So I saw this thing when I walked in because I have one, and that is Ralph Steadman’s print that
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you Oh, okay.
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The Hunter Estelle’s print. So so Ralph Steadman Johnny Depp gave me Ralph Steadman’s number because he was close with Hunter. And my son was graduating. My son’s an artist, and he was obsessed with Stedman. Right? And I I called Ralph Stedman. He says, hello. And I said, hey. I said, listen.
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You don’t know me. I’m a friend of Johnny’s and this. I said, you know, my son’s graduating and, like, the greatest gift I could ever get him, and this is not just to throw Stedman under the bus because it comes full circle. But he says I said, my son’s graduating. Can you do, like, a little I’ll pay you for it. Can you do just draw a little thing for him?
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For his graduation? There was a long, long pause, and he goes, why the fuck would I do that? And so that conversation went nowhere. I was like, what the fuck? You asshole. And then 20 years went past, and my book is designed by one of his proteges.
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Oh, wow.
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And then so Joey Feldman, he called me one day, and he said he said, Ralph wants to send you a print. And I said, no way. Does he know or that we have, like, a history? And he said, no. I don’t think so. So I sent him a voice memo of the history, and I said, I never held it against you. I totally understand it.
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Especially some so he sent me one for my son and one for me. And I have it hanging up in my house.
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That’s cool.
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I love having that thing, man.
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He was an interesting artist.
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He is very interesting artist.
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Yeah. I should say. Yes. But I mean, the the stuff that he did, it that’s like that’s also in that Gonzo documentary where it talks about how Hunter gave him acid and mushrooms, and he just started fucking writing
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Yeah.
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Drawing, like, really crazy shit. Yeah. And, like, the thing for do you remember the thing he did for the the Kentucky Derby is decadent
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and depraved? First thing, wasn’t it? Yeah. I think that was how they got together.
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See, we find that the Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved.
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Yeah. It’s a really good article, actually. Wow. That was fast, dude.
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Yeah.
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But look at that.
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That article is fucking amazing.
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It’s amazing article.
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My favorite hunter pieces.
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And I don’t think that they spent a lot of time together, but I think Honoring them? No. I don’t. There’s a lot of
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it in the documentary where they’re hanging out together. Really? Yeah. He picks them up at the airport as VW Bug.
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No. I know it exists, but I don’t think that they spent the amount of time that you would think given that they collaborated so much. Yeah. I think Ralph was back in Britain, and Hunter was I know. Look at that. Look at that. See, that’s the kind of shit. Do you miss that?
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Like, this part of driving your car and all that?
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That’s the thing from the put your headphones off for
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a second. Yeah.
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Take the thing out for an honest run down the coast. I would start in Golden Gate Park thinking only to run a few long curves to clear my head.
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No. It’s so good.
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A wavering alcoholic off the wagon. But in a matter of minutes, I’d be out at the beach with the sound of the engine in my ears, surf booming up on the seawall, and a fine empty road stretching all the way down to Santa Cruz. There was no helmet on those nights, no speed limit, and no cooling it down around the curves.
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I love seeing the sand in the road. Yeah.
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Then in the 2nd gear, forgetting the cars and letting the beast wind out. 35, 45. Then into 3rd, not worried about green or red signals, but only some other werewolf floating. Now there’s no sound except the wind. The needle leans down on a 100. The wind burned eyeballs strain to see down the center line. No room at all for mistakes. That’s when the strange music starts.
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That’s great.
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The edge. There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others, the living, are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it and then pulled back or slowed down. But the edge is still out there.
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That guy was fucking amazing.
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It’s great. It’s great. It’s fucking amazing. What do you love about his writing? And what type, like, fear and loathing?
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Well, I was just reading, Hell’s Angels recently, actually.
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That’s the book that I go back to most.
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Yeah. Well, that’s really him when he was starting. Right? That was the beginning of the sort of Gonzo journalism stuff because he was kind of mixing in fiction with, reality. That’s one of the things that pissed off the Hells Angels is that he took a lot of liberties with the truth to try to, like, paint a picture.
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Right. Which was his deal, which was his style later on. It’s like exaggerating and kind of romancing his own life.
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Oh, he was out of his fucking mind.
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Out of his mind, but he was also one of the most brilliant technical writers that ever was, and that’s what that’s what’s forgotten. Like, even people talk about Kerouac, and Kerouac was like, you know, he wrote On the Road, and he was On the Road, and it was Hunter s Thompson type of thing.
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And you’re like, you know, he edited On the Road for 7 years.
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Oh, wow.
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And nobody knows that because Kerouac kind of, like, you know, he he put forth this thing of, like, first thought, best thought, don’t edit, don’t it was, again, a whole like, it’s total horseshit. Oh, wow. That’s why I say it goes back to writers. It’s a labor. Yeah. You sit down and you write all the fucking time.
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My friend, Ari, on his, laptop, he’s got a little piece of paper above the keyboard that says the first draft of everything is shit.
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That’s and it’s true. It’s Hemingway.
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Yeah. Hemingway wrote that. Yeah.
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You know his first book, Hemingway’s first book was lost by his wife? What?
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Yeah. She lost it?
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Yeah. She she had grabbed it for him and was on a train, and then she went to the bathroom and actually left the satchel on the seat. When she came out of the bathroom, it was gone.
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Oh my god.
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Never to be found again.
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Oh my god. Yeah.
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I know. Can you imagine?
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Oh my god.
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All that work. Did
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that marriage work out?
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No. Thanks.
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I bet you did it on purpose, that bitch. Maybe. I
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bet you did it on purpose, that bitch.
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Yeah, man. I love writing. I love when someone’s a really good writer because you just get these, like, moments where
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you’re, like,
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yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, that’s it.
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Yeah.
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There’s moment and Hunter had a lot of those moments where you’re, like, goddamn it. That’s good.
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You have so many people who were great young, and I know that there’s a danger and a chaos within, like, the vortex within which they lived, but it couldn’t survive. Do you know what I mean? One. When Hunter got he was just too fucking alcoholic.
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Yeah.
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And and Dylan Thomas became too fucking alcoholic. Mhmm. And it’s one of those things that you go, you were literally writing things that aren’t possible. You were putting together, like, wordsmithing things that are that Magic. Magic.
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Yeah. Man
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How he was describing it. It’s that thing. Whatever it is you’re doing, how do you get to that place which most people can’t touch?
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Well, you can’t neglect your physical health. That’s the problem is that in this chase for the muse, in this dance you do with the drugs and the alcohol and the wild writing and, you know, I’m sure you’ve seen, Hunter s Thompson’s, there’s a thing that a reporter, he hung out with Hunter s Thompson and detailed what what a day in the life of Hunter s Thompson is.
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What what who was it?
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There’s a there’s a band called Beardyman, and Beardyman took me and Greg Fitzsimmons reading off Hunter s Thompson’s routine, his daily routine before he writes
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Correct.
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And made a song out of it. It’s fucking incredible.
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Yeah. See if
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you can find that because the the routine was so insane and this was, like, really what he would do. He’d wake up Like a disciplined afternoon. No.
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No. No. Chaos. Okay. Great.
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Full on chaos. Here. Let’s let’s put this put the headphones. Yeah. Yeah. It’s hard from the beginning.
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Beardy man.
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3 PM, rise. Shiva’s regal with morning papers. 345, cocaine. Another glass of Shiva’s. Another Dunhill. 405 PM. By the way, first cup of coffee and a Dunhill. 415, cocaine. A day, 3 hours into it, 3 hours in lit.
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7 PM, large margaritas Lord.
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Cocoa salad, dungeness, carrot cake, bean fritter, and cocaine. Okay. 9 PM. Start snorting cocaine seriously. Yeah. Drop acid. 11. 11 PM. I don’t know what that is. Cocaine and grass. Cocaine, etcetera, etcetera. 12 midnight. Hunter s Thompson is ready to ride. 6 AM. Oh.
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In the hot
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tub with champagne, 6 AM. In the hot tub with champagne, 6 AM. In the hot tub with champagne. So this is like a electronic dance music song that plays in clubs sometimes.
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Super funny. When did you do that?
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Oh, it was a long time ago. Many years ago. I I
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Did you ever live like that?
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No. No. I’ve never even done coke.
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Wow.
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Yeah. I’ve never fucked around with coke. I like psychedelics. I like weed. I like a little alcohol every now and then, but I don’t fuck around with anything that’s gonna kill me. I’m not interested. Yeah. And I’m not interested in anything that helps my ego that boosts it up, makes me, fearless.
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Floats it?
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I’m not interested in any of that. Yeah. I I like things that make me scared. Mhmm.
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I like
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things that make me nervous. Like That’s what
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I was talking about early on. What do you
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I like to feel vulnerable. I like it.
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You like to challenge yourself? Yeah. I think Your perception and how you perceive certain things.
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I think, I like voluntary adversity. Mhmm. Physical voluntary adversity, but also I think mental voluntary adversity, and I think that’s what I like about, like, psychedelics. I think you there’s like a you have to go on like a journey and you can’t control it. It’s you it takes you somewhere.
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Mhmm.
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And then when you’re back, you realize like you ain’t shit. Just get all that ego stuff out of your system, relax, and just be appreciative and enjoy life and try to spread as much positivity as you can. Mhmm. That’s what you’re here for. Do your best at everything you do. That’s what you’re here for.
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And how do you find yourself doing that once you’re not on it? The incorporation of it into your life.
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Just remember, you know, I just I’ve it’s so there’s profound moments where I think, you know, change you forever and those if you can hold on to them. Some people don’t hold on to them, but it’s a matter of intention. Right? It’s a matter of, like, what are you trying to do?
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You’re trying to be better at life? Well, if you try to be better at life, you can hold on to it. If you’re not, if you’re just trying to, like, be the man or, you
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know Exactly.
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You know, and get all the accolades or, you know, win a fucking Grammy or whatever you’re trying to do. Like, if that’s your real goal, like, you’re gonna get lost because it’s a shitty goal.
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How old were you when you took a a hallucinogen for the first time? 30. I was 13.
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Woah. So that’s a little too early.
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I wouldn’t recommend that. I wouldn’t recommend it either, but it it changed my life. And I had by the way, I took it twice in a 24 hour period. Woah. So I took it 13, had the greatest trip ever, like, still affected by it. Wow. And then I took it again that night and went to hell.
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Oh, no. I don’t know. You got cocky.
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No. The the psychedelics wanna bring you down a notch.
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It just did what it did. It did. It did. And I truly believe that psychedelics I don’t do psychedelics anymore, but I think I did but I do breath work. I do shit like that. And you go, can you get there? And I go, yeah.
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I’ve had some of
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the most amazing hallucinations I’ve ever had, most profound hallucinations I’ve ever had. Holotropic breathing
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Mhmm.
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Breath work with layered going off. And if you do it long enough, you just reach a place. Or if you’re in a sauna at 240 degrees for an hour doing breath work
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Oh, yeah.
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You’re gonna go places.
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Yeah. No doubt. Sensory deprivation tank, you don’t need anything, and you you trip balls. If they could give you in a pill form what the experience you get from a psych from a sensory deprivation tank, it’d be a very popular drug. Yeah. And it’s completely safe.
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And a productive drug.
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Yes. Very productive.
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So there’s sensory you say the sensory deprivation tank, but I just saw you can see it online or whatever, where people literally put a thing. They go into a room. There’s silence. It’s not like a, you know, where they don’t talk a meditation retreat or whatever, but they literally go into a room by themselves. They don’t see anybody else.
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They put a thick mask on and they’re in for 4 days. Oh, Jesus. Have you seen that?
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I have heard of people doing stuff like that.
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Yeah. What about that?
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Well, I think being alone with your thoughts is uncomfortable for people, and I think a lot of people avoid that. Yeah. They avoid really thinking, and you’re forced to really think
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Yeah.
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You know, when you’re in those sort of situations. Yeah. You’re you’re forced to be alone with your thoughts, you know. Scary. But we’re always distracted.
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You know, we’re distracted by
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people and devices and input and news and social media, and there’s, like, constantly stuff coming in. And sometimes you don’t, like, how do I feel about everything? Like, what do I even know? Do have I ever really considered things? Like, you need time alone. You need time to think, you know.
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That’s what I really like about that’s why I work out by myself. That’s why I like to
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You work out by yourself?
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Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. And I
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don’t like having a trainer.
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I mean, I’ve had a lot of trainers. I’d I appreciate them for technical advice and stuff like that, but this is a meditative aspect of working out by myself that I think is very important. It’s also discipline. Like, I don’t it’s easy to go somewhere and the guy tells you, okay, 10 reps.
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Yeah.
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But I write my own workouts out and
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Based on that day.
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Yeah. Well, I know what I wanna do. I you know, I’m pretty good at it. So I It’s
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funny. I haven’t heard many people say that, but I I I I feel and it’s not just some bullshit, like, affectation rebellious thing. When I’m with it and I appreciate trainers too, and I’ve had I’ve worked with some great trainers, but they make me wanna do less. Why? You know, they go do 10. And I go, but why?
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Oh, no. You’re one of those guys.
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I’m one of those assholes. I’m one of those assholes. Why? But I will actually push myself if, say, 12 just for a random word, a random number. 12 is my limit. I’m good at pushing myself to 15. Mhmm. Or Jeff Cavalieri. Do you know who that is? No. Athlean x?
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Oh, yeah. You ever heard of that guy.
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Yeah. Super smart guy. Yeah. And we would go back and forth, and I’d be like, look. If I’m in if I’m, you know, if I’m at my last three reps, why do we have to rest for 2 minutes? Like, who said that? Who made that up? Is it really a recovery thing 2 minutes before you can go back into 12 more reps?
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What if we just rest 30 seconds, and then you’re right back into that thing almost immediately? But and those are the things that are tearing the tissues and growing the muscle and all that kind of stuff. So just experimenting with it all. Again, this all goes back down to what we watched of, like, what are we doing to just live a little more vividly? Mhmm. How are we pushing ourselves?
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How are we changing our perception? How are we pushing our perception?
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Well, it depends on what you’re trying to do. Right? If you’re just trying to get, like, conditioned, yeah, give yourself the minimal amount of rest and do it for as long as possible and then Right. Take time off afterwards for your body to heal and then get back after it. It’s
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just a base. But it
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depends on what you’re trying to do. If you’re trying to get strong, I always recommend taking out, like, long long periods of time in between sets. I take, like, 5 minutes, maybe even more in between sets.
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To come back in at your strongest.
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Yeah. But I’m not workouts. My workouts are like 30 minutes sometimes, 2 and a half hours Yeah. Because I have these long breaks in between. But because of that, it’s you know, Pavel Tatsulinis? No. He’s, one of the godfathers of kettlebells. He’s one of the first people that introduced kettlebells to America from Russia.
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Yeah. And their their philosophy, his strong first philosophy is that strength is a skill.
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And you
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don’t work on a skill when you’re tired. So it’s all about how many repetitions you do and that’s what builds strength. Right. So it doesn’t mean you have to do 10 in a row. Like, say if 10 is your max, say if you pick up a weight and you could do 10 cleans and presses and on the 10th one, you’re like, his philosophy is do 5.
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Mhmm. Do 5, wait a long time, do another 5. So you’ve got the 10 in, but you’ve got the 10 in with perfect form.
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Right.
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And then you’re still getting the same amount of repetitions, but you’re not breaking yourself down to the point where you might get hurt or where you’re doing it incorrectly or poor form. So that’s how I work. I talked
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to I talked to me too. I talked to my wife a lot about that, my wife would say, because I I got I’m all about form. Yes. Because otherwise, you just get hurt in
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one fucking point. Yeah. I rarely get hurt from lifting weights. Have you
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ever gotten hurt in jiu jitsu?
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Oh, yeah.
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A lot. Oh. Everybody tears and claps and
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Yeah. And discus and I’ve had surgeries and fucking bulging discs and torn this and torn that. Yeah. You have to.
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It’s a sport where you’re trying
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to kill each other.
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It’s true. You try to get rid of the painkillers before.
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With your body. So other people are doing that to you.
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I had sciatica for a year and a half. Oui. Bad sciatica. 9 millimeter slip between s no. L 5 and s one.
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How’d you get rid of it?
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And they wanted to do surgery, and I’d had surgery when I was really young because I had a slip disc between c 5 and c 6, and they took out part of my hip and they went in through my neck. They moved everything over, and they replaced my my disc with part of my hip back when they used to do that.
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They used
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to plate replace your disc with part of your hip?
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Yeah. They would chisel out a part of your hip. A bone?
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Yeah. And that’s what your disc was now? A piece of bone?
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Yes. Now.
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That doesn’t even make sense. Your disc is supposed to be spongy.
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I know. I don’t understand why.
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They put a piece of bone in there?
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Yeah. And it worked. It actually worked. Yeah. Doctor Delamorteur. I never forget his name. Jesus. Now they So yeah. And then they use cadaver bone for a while and now they use what?
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Well, it depends. There’s, artificial discs. I know, a couple people that have artificial discs.
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Then it worked.
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Yeah. My friend Eddie got it done in his lower back. He he he’s basically bone on bone, constant inflammation. So he got a titanium articulating disc
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that’s
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in his back. What is this? Surgery may take a small piece of bone from the hip called an autograft to use in a neck surgery called anterior cervical discectomy and fusion. The bone is placed between the space between the vertebrae to stimulate bone healing and promote fusion. Oh, so you got your neck fused.
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Yeah. They call it a brollengraft.
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Oh, really? No. Hey. Hey. Wow. So that’s that’s different. That’s you got your hip your neck fused.
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Fused.
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Yeah.
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Which they probably don’t even do fusion.
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They do.
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And it They still do fusion. If it’s a if it’s a massive break or something like that, man.
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Yeah. I don’t recommend it. There’s other ways you can heal bulging discs And one of them is there’s a a process called regenikeen, and regenikeen is, I had that done in LA Mhmm. In Santa Monica. They used to do it in Germany. I used to have to go to Germany to do it, and, like, Kobe Bryant went over there and Peyton Manning went over there.
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And what they do is they take your blood out. It’s like platelet rich plasma, but if it’s a it’s a more advanced
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ERP.
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Right. More advanced version of it. Mhmm. And they spin your blood in the centrifuge, and they add some stuff to it, and it turns it into, like, one of the most potent anti inflammatories. And then what they do is you lie down there, and they inject it in your back. They have, like, these little needles.
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I think there’s a Instagram post of me getting it done on
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my lower back. Did you have a slip disc
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in your
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lower back? Bulging.
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Bulging. You know, it’s it’s essentially a bulging disc, but it can go back. Bulging disc can go
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back. But that was my
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experience. You also have to have, traction, like, decompression. Yeah. So there’s a bunch there it is. So that’s my back. I had that done.
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So they take that
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and they stick all that shit, but all that
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drill that, don’t they?
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They just put a hole. No. It’s just it’s
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just needles. It’s knee I know it’s needles, but it’s not like acupuncture. They actually drill that, then they put that needle in, don’t they?
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No. No. They just shove that needle in place.
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Oh, I see.
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It’s just like a syringe.
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On each side of your spinal column.
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Yeah. It’s like a syringe Right. And then inside the syringe, they pump in the regenocaine stuff
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Yeah.
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And then it, it fills your those those areas up with this platelet rich plasma that’s been enhanced and it just heals everything.
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And did you feel like it helps?
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Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You felt It it helped my neck so my neck was so fucked.
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Jack.
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My neck was so fucked. I was getting numb fingers and pain in my elbow
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because that now.
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Do you really? Yeah. You should go go to that place.
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Yeah. And when I ride motorcycles also Yeah. I have my hands up like I mean, I have shoulder issues, but I have a a that slip disc was a 9 millimeter slip.
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Do this. Why not why not do this? Why this?
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Because that looks cooler.
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Does it? Not to me.
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It looks super cool when you’re doing it right now.
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This looks retarded. This looks good. This looks like you could
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Put it up super high. You can move it out. Super high. This is like That looks retarded.
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To turn? Yeah.
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Like, how
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are you gonna turn like that? You’re not gonna do a good job.
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You look like a gorilla.
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This is better. This
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is better. What about that?
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This is better.
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What about this?
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Well, with Ducatis, I mean, that’s like you’re down
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like that. That’s when I finally crashed. Was it Ducati?
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Oh, really? You went crazy? No.
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I didn’t go crazy. I didn’t do anything differently. With parleys, you go slower.
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Right.
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You ride. It’s about And it’s loud
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so people know you’re there. Thank you. That’s a big one.
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So it it’s huge.
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They have electric bikes now. I’m like, do you wanna die?
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They’re fast. They’re so fast.
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But do you wanna
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die that they make no sense? Can hear you.
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Nobody can hear you.
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In a grid of 16 guys
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Yeah.
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Every because everybody thinks Hells Angels. I go, there’s nothing about it that’s trying to emulate Hells Angels, Mongols, any of that, you know, 1 percenter thing. But when you hear that rumble coming down the road Yeah. You can’t wait to get the fuck out of the way.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that helps. That’s true. That definitely helps you stay alive. Yeah. Yeah. Loud pipes save lives. I’ve heard that many times.
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So to finish that thought, I what I did was is I went to I started instead of resting, which is what doctors normally say, they say, do surgery, do surgery, rest, sleep, see if that helps. If it doesn’t help, do surgery. And I did the opposite, which later, you know, Laird was like, anytime you get hurt, Laird will be like movement, movement, movement, movement.
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But this was before all that. But I started working out, and it got worse, and it got worse, and it got worse, but I continued to work out and I started running and I started doing pistol squats and all this kind of shit. And then one day it was gone and it never came back.
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Really?
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Never came back. So you just beat it out of you? I beat it out of me. Wow.
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Yeah. Yeah. Movement is everything. You need circulation and when
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You need blood in there, which is why they do PRP, which is why they do stem cell work or whatever.
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Yeah. And if you’re just sitting there, the problem is you’re also gonna your body’s gonna atrophy. You’re you’re gonna lose strength, and then it’s gonna make whatever injured that area in the first place.
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But I was always promoted by doctors. Why would that always be promoted by doctors? Again, whether it’s politicians or whether it’s doctors or whether it’s they’re telling you, this is you gotta eat from the 4 food groups, man. You’re gonna die otherwise in your life.
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You know, that there’s a lot to that stuff, but the the, you know, the 4th group 4 food group shit is a lot of us people just not knowing what the fuck they’re talking about.
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That’s what
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I mean. And also
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But pretending
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like different perception back then of, like, what was healthy versus now. But it’s also a lot of these doctors, they’re not athletes, and they don’t really understand, like, what’s possible with the body. They just know how to fix things when they break. Right. And then for the average person, they say just rest.
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Because the average person is not gonna fucking do what you’re doing anyway. So it’s like why why tell them, like, what you really need to do is movement, constant movement and just beat that injury into submission.
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That’s right.
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And no one’s gonna tell you that.
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How do I feel better? Lose some weight. Yeah. Like, go go do that uncomfortable thing. Start walking. Start slow. Maybe jog a little bit. Maybe lift a little something. That’s why when you see those videos of these guys that just for whatever is in their personality, they’ve had fucking enough. They’re £400, and they go, that’s it.
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Uh-huh.
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Buck stops here. Yep. I’m gonna start doing my shit.
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Yeah. They hit rock bottom.
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They hit rock bottom. Yeah. And then you see this again, what we were talking about before incentive where they just go, I don’t give a shit.
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Well, it’s not the same with everything. Like, isn’t that how you quit drinking? You just hit rock bottom?
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I was just about to say that. Yeah. Yeah. But you don’t I don’t I hit rock bottom when I was 15. You know? I was shooting coke at 15. So, yeah, the thing that you didn’t wanna try, I did wanna try. But that was that group. That’s why so many of those guys died.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? So when I look at Hunter s Thompson, who I love as a writer, when I look at Dylan Thomas, who I love as a writer, and all these guys that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel too parallel. I had an amazing life, except nobody cared about mine. People really cared about theirs. I was just Josh that you wanted to stay the fuck away from.
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Well, like, that motherfucker’s great to spend, like, an hour with. And then once it hits 10 o’clock and the moon comes out and the clouds part, you don’t wanna be anywhere around. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.
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But then you get to that point where you go, when did Hunter s Thompson? When did these guys just become, like, some kind of clown mask of themselves? Right. Do you know what I mean? Well, in the end,
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Hunter was definitely that. You did you ever see when Hunter was on Conan O’Brien’s show?
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No. It was horrible.
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He could barely talk. He barely could understand him. Because everything was mumbling. It was mumbling. It was every it was real weird and, you know, he was he got a gunfight with his fucking neighbors. He’s, like, shooting at his neighbors.
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That’s what I mean. It’s at what point does
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it turn full on drunk, but it wasn’t just that. His body was, like, rapidly deteriorating. He had hip replacement surgery and
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And he was only 60 7, I think. That’s not old, man.
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No. Not that old.
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That’s young.
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Not that old for How old are you? 57.
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I’m 56. Yeah. Like my mom died at 55. The whole thing this book became was my mom dying at 55, and me thinking back then, she lived a nice long life.
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Isn’t that crazy?
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It’s fucking crazy. And then it turned out that I was 55 when I wrote the book, which had never even Oh, wow. The book kind of dictated itself, and then I went, holy fuck. I’m 55. Wow. I’m super young. Fucking super young.
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Like, yes, I have some joint issues, but I’m young Right. For the most part.
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For the most part. Yeah. You’re physically healthy. You’re not falling apart. Right. You just have a few issues
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Yep.
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Which is just wear and tear of life.
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That’s it.
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Yeah. But there’s some people that if you don’t take care of yourself and you you don’t eat well and there’s also a lot of other factors, genetic factors, but you you could fall apart pretty quick. But if you’re a guy like Hunter that’s doing coke and drinking every night, you can’t do that.
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No. You can’t.
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It just won’t and the writing was bad. Like, his the the only time he wrote anything good in later years was 2,001, right after 911. Right after 911, he wrote this great piece. I wanna say it was, like, for Sports Illustrated. It was I I forget who he wrote it for, but he wrote this really great piece talking about what happens next after the Twin Towers fall.
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It’s like he wrote this thing about waking up in the morning, seeing the Twin Towers fall
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Yeah.
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And then realizing what what’s what’s ahead for us.
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Right.
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It was very prescient. It was very good. It was very it was Was
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it accurate? I mean, now that
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it’s It was dead on. It was dead on. And and it was vintage hunter. It’s like he tapped back into it again. It’s on ESPN. ESPN. That’s it.
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ESPN, this is the article? Yeah.
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This is the article. Would you
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send me this article if it’s an
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article article
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or a
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whole article?
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I would love that.
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Yeah. This is, you know, this is the whole thing.
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I mean, what’s so great is it when you go I mean, this is kinda popping all over the place. But when you go back and you look at all the politicians, whatever side, you know, whatever whatever red, blue they lean toward, it didn’t matter because Hunter was there kind of looking for something different, and it wasn’t all about him.
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When it came down, they all described Hunter as this, like, crazy. It was so much fun to hang out with him, but there was never a lack of he was super intelligent
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Yes.
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And wanted the best for everybody. He was a real he was a
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real patriot.
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He was a true patriot.
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Yeah. Well, did you ever read Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail? Yeah. That’s one of the more interesting pieces because you got this guy who’s following around the campaign trail, and he knows he’s only in it for this one time. So he’s not like any of these other reporters. He’s just writing a book.
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Yeah. Well, you can fire him.
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Yeah. Exactly. And not only that, you can’t because he’s gonna write a book. Like, he’s writing a book. You can’t fire him.
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Whether you like it or not.
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Whether you like it or not, he’s writing that book. But, you know, he’s dropping acid. He’s talking to these guys into drinking. They’re like, he’s taking all these, like, fucking nerdy political reporters. Yeah. And he’s introducing them to a perspective that they they’re not aware of.
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They don’t know anybody like that. Mhmm. And the book is fucking incredible.
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But when you see Gonzo, when you see it’s funny how much we’re talking about 100 or 1000, but when you see Gonzo, I don’t know if it was in Gonzo or another documentary, you see how they’re affected by it. You see a humanity in them because of him that you don’t normally get to
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see. Right.
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Don’t you agree?
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He made you question a lot of things. Yeah. And when people question things, they’re like, what am I doing? Like, what
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Yeah. Why am I here? Yeah. What is my purpose? Or did I have a purpose when I was young and I just fell into this political status quo?
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And he even was questioning, like, in the documentary, he was like, I don’t even know what people want anymore. Do they want Hunter s Thompson or they want Gonzo? Like, that’s not even me anymore. It’s like, I’m a prisoner of this thing that I’ve created. Yeah. And that’s that’s the thing that happens to people where they they develop this sort of image and persona. Yeah. And then you feel like you’re trapped by it. Yeah.
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You people have expectations when they meet you.
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Exactly right.
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Kennison talked about that.
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Did you know Kenison?
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No. I did. Unfortunately. Did you? I did. No shit.
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Yeah. And not because of drugs. Just because I was around.
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What year was this?
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When did he die?
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A 90 ish to 92 maybe. I was in New York, so it had to be pre 94.
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Probably 90?
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Somewhere around then.
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I would say 90. I knew him. 90, 91. It was through a friend that I met him, and then he liked me. Wow. And sweet. Incredibly sweet guy.
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He was a motherfucker, dude. Motherfucker. We just got a, this guy does bottle cap art. Yeah. Go to my Instagram, Jamie, and see the photo. This guy just, made this insane bottle cap art piece of Kinison for my comedy club, and we put it up last night.
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Is he a hero of yours?
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Oh, yeah. He was one of the first there
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it is. Ow. Ow.
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That’s all bottle caps. Like, I
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Oh, no shit.
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Yeah. Those are bottle caps if you see them then.
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Oh, man. Yeah. That’s like in prison when they use they use cigarette packs and do Patricia Arquette gave me a piece of art with a bunch of cigarette packs
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put together. Really?
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Yeah. They make frames. That was it.
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Oh, wow.
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Same kind of thing.
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Yeah. This guy, what his, his name is Jam Bottle Cap Art, j a m bottlecap art. He does a bunch of different pieces
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of bottlecap art.
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Yeah. He’s really good. It’s really, really cool stuff.
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You need my picture outside. I saw all your
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Mug shots?
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Your mug shots.
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I would love to have a mug shot of you. I’ll send you. Is it good? How how fucked up do you look?
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I it’s pretty fucked up. I got a smile on my face. When somebody smiles during a mug shot, I always find that really funny.
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So when you met Kinison, was it about a show? Was it just
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No. Oh, it might have been the comedy club. Okay. I’d only been at a show. Sorry. Comedy store.
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Well, he was out of there by then. He was out of there by 90.
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Well, what’s the one down the road by where green Greenblatt’s used to be?
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Factory. Yeah. Yeah. You like those?
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I do. I love those. Very much.
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The Laugh Factory.
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The Laugh Factory. It might have been that.
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Yeah. He got kicked out of the Comedy Store, I think, in, like, 87 or 88.
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Then it wasn’t there. Yeah. It
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was probably the Laugh Factory. Because the
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But that’s not where I met him. I met him at a house.
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Okay.
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I met him at a house, and I never went to a lot of those parties. I was not just not part of that. Sam wasn’t invited. Yeah. And but I but I I met him and I would he just he was really sweet, man. He would like mellow out. It wasn’t like a thing. It wasn’t an act all the time. Right. You know?
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And he He
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he but he was a prisoner to that thing that he became.
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For sure.
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Yeah. His brother wrote a great book. It’s called Brother Sam. Uh-huh. It’s really, really good book describing, like, the ascent of his career and how it fucked him up and what happened to him.
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And what do you think it was? I mean, was drugs
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Drugs and partying and just And stratospheric fear. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Wasn’t it instantaneous for him?
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Quick. So in 1986, he’s on Roddy
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Dangerfield’s young comedian special, and then he does, an
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insane to this day, a he does, an insane to this day holds up, HBO hour. Yeah. And then those two things and then, an
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album that
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he made called Louder Than Hell. And those those things are the best things he ever does. Everything after that becomes like a significant drop off. And in the end, he was basically a caricature of who he used to be.
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Yeah. Caricature of himself. Exactly. And
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he just was captured. Yeah.
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But it’s also Imprisoned.
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There wasn’t anybody to tell you how to do it back then. There was there was only a few, like, massively famous comedians back then. There wasn’t a lot of us. It wasn’t it wasn’t like today. Mhmm. Today, there’s like a giant community of comedians. We all talk to each other and figure it out together and everybody is just about making better stuff. Yeah. It’s not about like getting hugely famous.
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The ones that just wanna get hugely famous, they’re all mentally ill and usually their their career drops off, their comedy starts to suck. They’re trying to do the wrong thing.
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Yeah.
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So in Kinison, in the beginning, he just wanted to be the best he could be. He just wanted to be really fucking good at comedy and he coming from this, you know, tent preacher. Yeah. So he’s like this revival tent preacher, and then he gets into stand up comedy, and he has this charisma and
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Yeah.
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This ability to deliver that’s so different than everybody else. Yeah. And he’s this short, fat guy, so when he talks about being married and living in hell, like, he kinda, like, empathize with it. Like, this fucking guy is amazing and revolutionized comedy, changed comedy. He was the first guy that I ever saw that made me think I could do comedy.
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Because before then, I loved comedy. I always loved stand up, but I loved it because it was funny. I would just like to watch, you know, Jerry Seinfeld on TV. Oh, these guys are so funny.
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Funny because you’re so different than he is, and yet he was the one that you paralleled with that, like, liberated you?
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Yeah. Well, he was wild. That was the thing. I never felt like I fit in. I always felt like I didn’t wanna be around polite people. I didn’t want, like, you know, if a a girl wanted me to go over her house and have dinner with her parents, I
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was like, oh, Jesus. I’m fine.
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I think they’re gonna think I’m fucking crazy. But I was a kickboxer. You know, I was a kid who had I went from you know, when I was 15 years old, I got, like, deeply involved in martial arts.
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Mhmm.
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My entire social life up until, like, 21, 22 was just traveling around the country fighting. And so my I was feral. Like, my my mindset was just I would just didn’t fit in.
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Yeah. I
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couldn’t wear a suit jacket and pretend to be the guy. Did you ever notice? I I wasn’t that guy. Right.
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Hello, sir.
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That I scraped.
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Great to meet you. Things
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that I thought were funny, other people would think were fucked up. But my fucked up friends would think were funny, and those are the ones who talked me into doing stand up. But they were equally fucked up.
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Did you start stand up back then?
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In Boston in 88. In 88? Yeah. Right on. Yeah. And and I went to see Kennison in 89. I got to see him live in 80 I got to see him 3 times. One time when I was working Wow. I was working at Great Woods Center For the Performing Arts, and he was performing there.
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Wow.
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And I got to see him live. I was a security guard. It was this place in Mansfield. Yeah. This this the whole Taekwondo team that I was a part of.
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Is that what you did,
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Taekwondo? Yeah.
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That’s what I used to compete in.
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Oh, no kidding. Yeah. Where’d you compete out of? Chung. Where was that?
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LA. Okay. Tae kwon do.
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Yeah. Yeah. I fought in LA when I lived in Boston. I fought in Anaheim in the Nationals.
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Right on.
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Yeah. I I traveled all over the country competing. That’s all I did. And, one of the guys who work with us one of the guys who trained with us got a job as a security guard.
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Mhmm.
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And, you know, the guy was like, hey, do you know any more guys who know how to fight? Like, we we need more guys like that to work for us. They just hired a bunch
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of us. Right.
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And so we got to see all these crazy concerts. I got to see Bon Jovi. I got to see Bill Cosby which was kinda
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crazy in retrospect.
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Yeah. I saw Rodney Dangerfield. And Roddy Dangerfield was there was this backstage area.
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Uh-huh.
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And Roddy Dangerfield was naked with a bathrobe on, and that’s how he would go on stage. And the end of his career, like, Rodney would and by the way, murdered. I mean, I was fucking
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Had people on the floor.
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Laughing. Yeah. He was probably I don’t know how old he was in 89, but he was old. Yeah. And this fucking guy was just on stage with a bathrobe on naked
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and Killing it.
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Giant hog, and was, like, hanging out of his fucking pants. And he was just, just hanging out smoking pot, and then he would go on stage with a bathrobe on
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Yeah.
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And just kill. But he because he wanted to be comfortable.
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How did other how did other comedians feel about him?
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Oh, they loved him.
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They loved him.
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Everybody loved him. Rodney was one of the most universally loved comedians because he helped other comedians. Yeah. Like, Rodney Dangerfield, he did these things, the Rodney Dangerfield specials, like Rodney and Friends. And so he would have he introduced the world to Dice Clay, Sam Kinison, Robert Schimmel
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Yeah.
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Lenny Clark, Dom Irare, like, some of the greats, and they all came out of his Rodney Dangerfield and Friends specials.
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That’s
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They were some of the greatest specials ever Yeah. Because he would have all these guys that he thought were worth seeing. Yeah. And he would put them out there to the world, and they all became superstars. I mean, that’s how Sam Kinison launched.
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Yeah.
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He launched from Rodney.
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From Rodney.
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And so Bill Hicks, a lot of people launched from Rodney. And so everybody loved Rodney.
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He
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was just loved.
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I know he’s your buddy. And I you you know, because comedians, I used to listen. I used to have 6 albums, and one was a bloody red vinyl. Remember the red albums? Okay.
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The 2
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red albums? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And it was sick. And I don’t know where I got them. I think I got them from, like, a flea market or something, but they were Lenny Bruce.
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Oh, yeah.
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And that was the beginning.
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He was the first.
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He was the first.
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He was the first real modern stand up comedian. Everybody else just told jokes.
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Yeah.
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Like, 2 guys walking to a bar. Totally. Like, that kind of shit. Totally. He was the first guy that was like, why do we do this? Why is that? Yeah. What is this?
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We questioned it. Yeah. Questioned authority.
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And people would come to see him because in the sixties, everybody was so confused at how to think. Like, what yeah. What are we doing? And this guy was, like, this And
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how do we treat each other? And then and then he’d literally point people out, and he’d go peeve and kike and there’s Mick, and
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and people
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would go the Right. Right.
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Right. Right.
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At the most tense time, and
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then Yes.
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And then he’d bring it around, and he that’s why it reminds me of Chappelle. Mhmm. Because Chappelle would get so seemingly or extensively inappropriate Mhmm. And then somehow bring it around Yeah. And you go fucking Jesus.
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Dave’s a master. Master. And he’s a real artist. Yeah. That’s a guy, like, you know, I talk about, like, people that only start thinking about money.
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Yeah.
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That’s not him. That dude lives in fucking Springfield, Ohio and just travels around and just does a lot of shows for no money. He does a lot of shows, but no money just shows up and performs. One time I was in Denver, and I get off stage. It’s, 1st show 2nd show Friday night. So it’s 10 o’clock show. Show’s over. I get off stage. I go into the green room. Dave’s there.
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I go, Dave, what are you doing here, man? He goes, oh, I thought I’d come out and visit you. Just hops on a fucking private jet and flies to Denver because he knew I was there. Didn’t even tell me. Just shows up.
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So funny.
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And then I go, do you wanna go on stage? He goes, oh, shit. I go, fuck. Yeah. So I ran out while the people were leaving.
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Where they were?
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Already over. I go, they’re like, tell everybody on the stairs. Come back. Dave Chappelle’s here. So they all come back in and sit down again.
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And how long did
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they go on? 45 minutes. And it was right around what Trump was doing when he got caught saying grab him by the pussy.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So he had, like, 10 minutes of a grab him by the pussy. Like, it was fucking genius. It was so good.
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Off the top of his head, though?
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Oh, no. He I mean, I don’t know exactly how Dave designed it is. Material. Dave I think what Dave does is spends a lot of time thinking and listening to music and coming up with ideas. Yeah. And he writes some stuff down, but a lot of what he does is just performs constantly.
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He’s constantly on stage working these
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things out. Earlier, artist. He’s always the real artist. The difference between somebody who’s just good at what they do and somebody who is an innate artist.
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He’s a real artist.
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He’s a hero of mine.
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He’s a hero of mine too. He’s a good friend. But he gets these giant deals with Netflix where he makes a lot of money
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Yeah.
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Which is great Yeah. But he doesn’t do it for money. Yeah. He’s doing it for
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No. But what you can tell is he he gets these, like, oh, he turned down $50,000,000. He went crazy. He moved to Ohio or whatever the fucking story is that you wanna make up. But then he comes back, he makes these 20,000,000 deal dollar deals with Netflix, but it’s never in place of his agenda.
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No. It’s all about the art.
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It’s all about the elements. About this wins this wins. This is the priority.
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Why he left his show because they were twisting it Of course. Distorting it.
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I know why he left his show because I’ve been in that position where you go, this is turning into some corporate version Right. Of what you like. You love what I do. Now you can’t wait to put your fingerprint on it.
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Exactly.
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That’s it.
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That’s exactly what
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it was. So you can take so you can go, you know, that was me. And
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he gave I made him I
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gave him a number.
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When no one was giving
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Nobody would fucking do that now.
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Comedy for 10 years. And you know what he would do? He would occasionally show up in a park with, like, a fucking speaker and just show up and do stand up. Yes. He did. He did in Seattle. I know he did in Seattle because a friend of mine was at the show. Wow. He shows up.
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He see he goes, Dave Chappelle just shows up in this fucking park, and he he get a a speaker with a microphone, and he just just starts talking
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Respect.
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And people just gather around.
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Respect.
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He was just doing these, like, shows, these impromptu shows. He would show up in a bar. Can I go on stage? And they would go, okay.
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And he would just Knowing in his mind that he would eventually come back, no. That was just the present moment.
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I think he’s just being an artist. Just being an artist for the pure sake of being an artist. So he had the money that he did make off Chappelle’s Show, and he decided to, like, live frugally
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Mhmm.
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And take that money. And he didn’t do anything for money for, like, 10 fucking years.
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He just raised his
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And then he started coming back.
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And then when
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he started coming back, I remember him coming around the Comedy Store again, and we had some conversations about it. And he just, you know, he just decided to start doing comedy again. And then he’s
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You see people getting canceled now, and it’s devastating to them. And yet that’s what that was. He just did it himself. Right. He canceled himself.
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Yeah. He canceled the greatest sketch show of all time.
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Of all time.
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Yeah. Of all and it only did 2 seasons. It’s still the greatest.
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But that’s not something that you see very often. It’s somebody who just fucking can’t help but beat to their own drum. Right. But the art wins in the end.
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The art wins.
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You know what I mean?
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Well, it’s obviously when you see him. He’s so good.
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He’s not malicious. He seems there are moments where you think he’s malicious. And, again, he brings it around.
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Well, then malicious is just to heighten the humor. It all just, like, brings it in. It also accentuates, like, some thoughts that you might have about whatever he’s talking about.
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But it’s what everybody’s thinking. Yep. Exactly. To say. That’s why I’m thinking me.
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Yeah.
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I’m watching it, and I’m the inappropriate guy. You know? And my dad goes, how the fuck do you say what you say? And I don’t understand. I go, you know what? I said, honestly, do you wanna know? Because I’m not ultimately mean. I don’t want I don’t wanna fucking hurt. I don’t want people to feel less than I do.
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Right.
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But I watch Chappelle. Even me, I’m like, oh, fuck. Wow.
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Yeah. He watched that line. He gets out there and walks that line, but he dances around it, and he makes it beautiful comedy.
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It so much because without him, we’re all fucked.
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And he’s the way to find out if a comedian’s a cunt. Like, if a comedian doesn’t like Chappelle, they start shitting on Chappelle, like, oh, okay.
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Then you know he’s a cunt. You’re a
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piece of shit.
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You’re a
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piece of shit. You’re just a garbage human.
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Have you ever met anybody
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like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of
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these He’s not
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a real comedian.
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There’s a lot
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He’s an asshole. Yeah.
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There’s a lot of like
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That’s not comedy. Activist comedians. And what they are is really not talented. So they’ve glommed on to this idea of, like, being, like, socially conscious and that’s more important than the humor itself. But nobody wants to hear you preach. Nobody nobody thinks that your opinion is better than theirs. This is what I always say. Like, if you go on stage, you have an opinion.
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Like, other people have an opinion too. Like, if you go on stage and say, you know, I think Kamala Harris would be the greatest president of all time. A lot of people are like, well, I don’t agree. Mhmm. But you have to have a way to make it funny so that they laugh.
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The people that disagree with you laugh. Mhmm. I don’t even think this guy’s correct. Well, goddamn, that’s funny. And that’s a way you can introduce an idea into someone’s head that maybe would never accept that idea. It was just opinions.
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Mhmm. So if
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someone’s on stage and they’re just saying opinions, like, you could you could disagree with that opinion. It’ll frustrate you and you you can’t talk. You don’t have your but if that guy can take that opinion and that perspective and make it funny, then you’re forced to acknowledge that he has a point.
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Yeah.
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Like, there’s something in there. Like, I don’t agree with that, but fuck her. Goddamn. That was good. Goddamn. That was good. And that’s the It liberates, man. That’s the real Chappelle art. That’s what I
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mean, not that we’ll stay on this forever, but remember Eddie Murphy when he did what not the first, not raw, but Delirious. Delirious.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, he was a fucking powerhouse, man. Powerhouse. To this day, that is the guy that I just wish I was friends I was friends with his brother, Charlie.
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Yeah.
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But I wish that guy I wish he would come back. You know, I know he got like some weird stuff where he got arrested with Yeah. Yeah. Transsexuals in his car. So whatever.
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So did other people. Whatever. Thank you.
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01:24:00
He’s just too good. He’s too good. He’s too good. Do you ever see when, he he gave a speech, he got, like, I think it was, like, one of those Mark Twain awards or something like that. Mhmm. And he did stand up, like, where he hasn’t done stand up in forever, but he was talking about Bill Cosby having to give his awards back.
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And no. Because, you
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know, he does an amazing Bill Cosby impression.
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I remember. Yeah.
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And so he he he did stand up, but it was as sharp as ever. And, like, goddamn. If this guy came back, he was
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And it was just off the cuff. It was something that prepared. No. I’m sure he prepared, but nobody really knew he was gonna do it. Right? Well, he
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knew he was gonna give a speech. Right. And his speech was essentially stand up.
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With stand up.
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You know, his acceptance speech.
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Like 20 minutes or 15 minutes to stand up.
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And it was fucking great. And there was all these rumors that he was gonna start doing it again. I remember Charlie told me that Dave was thinking about doing it again or that, Eddie was thinking about doing it again, but he never did it. He never did it. He never I think it’s just too heavy.
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We need comedians. I mean, I that’s, like, the theme of this whole thing is whether you’re talking about Hunter, whether you’re talking about this. It’s just too bad that they self destruct, whether it be from drugs or fame or whatever. And you know what I mean? It’s hard, man.
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It’s it’s hard to maintain.
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And then once you make it, there’s these weird pressures.
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But it breaks up the status quo of this contraction, especially that we’re I know that’s why people move to Austin. They were just like, I’m fucking sick of being told to think a certain way.
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Well, that’s why comedy in Austin works so well.
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01:25:24
Yeah.
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Because we all moved here at the same time. We all moved here in 2020. Like, I was I was here because well, Ron White moved here first, and Ron White is a dear friend of mine. And he moved here before the pandemic. And Ron was like, I don’t wanna live in LA anymore. I fucking love it here. There’s no traffic. Fucking food’s great. Fucking people are nice. I can travel.
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I fly. I’m in the center of country. I can fly anywhere real quick.
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Right.
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And I was like, damn. Could I live in Texas? Like, I don’t know about that. And then COVID came and, right like, my wife was kind of interested a little bit, but then when the riots started happening in LA, then she got really scared. She got very like, it’s a lot of, like, home invasions. It was a lot of crazy shit that was happening.
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Where is she from originally?
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She was from Colorado.
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Okay. Yeah. So not an LA born.
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No. No. No. And so she lived in LA with me for a while, and we we were happy. Yeah. You know, we lived in Bell Canyon, which is, like, outside of LA. It’s nice, peaceful, had a little land, coyotes and hawks and shit. Yep. Yeah. Well, for me, it was okay because I had quiet where I lived, and then I could drive into the Comedy Store.
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Yeah.
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And I loved it. But then when they shut the Comedy Store down, they shut everything down and the rise. And I was like, baby, they’re not gonna let us go back. This is like these fucking cocksuckers have control now Yeah. And that’s what they like. That’s why they became politicians in the first place.
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Mhmm.
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They like telling people they can’t work. Mhmm. They’re they they have a grip on society, and they’re gonna fucking keep this grip. We gotta get the fuck out of
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here. So did you move sight unseen? Did you move just did you just come? Did you find a place or did you you came and you hung out for a while?
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Looking to see if I could deal with it. We took, like, a few days off, and we flew to Austin with some friends who are also thinking about doing it.
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01:27:03
Right.
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None of them wind up moving here. A couple of them moved to Dallas. Mhmm. But we we came here, and then, one of the things that helped, my daughters were 10 12 at the time. They were really young and they were real confused about what was going on in LA. It was spooky. Mhmm.
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You know, you had to wear a mask everywhere and that freaks kids out. Like, it’s just it’s freaky.
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01:27:21
It had a man in
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Arizona. No masks. Yeah. He’d go to restaurants and we had this great real estate lady and this great she’s a good friend now, and she took us to see we wanted to see this house, and she took us on a ride on a boat. She had a friend to take us on the lake. We go on the lake. People are playing Leonard Skinner. They’re jumping in the water. They’re laughing and singing.
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And in LA, everybody’s thinking, like, the world’s gonna end. There’s demons
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01:27:43
in there. I was in I was in New Mexico, and I was out on a 100000 acre ranch. Woah. Right? And we were doing outer range. We were doing the 1st season of our show, and we were tested every morning. And when I was out in the middle of nowhere, I mean, with, like, good 15 mile an hour winds, you’d have somebody come up if I put my mask down to talk.
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01:28:08
You’d have somebody go Yeah. That Yeah. And I’d be like, there’s no we’re in the middle of nowhere.
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Also, it doesn’t even work.
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It doesn’t work. It’s stupid. The mask I’m I’m not even saying that I have a certain belief system or anything, but in that moment
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01:28:24
Yeah. Provable that they don’t work. Provable. Yeah. And people lost their fucking minds, and it was a stress test. And so we came out here. I bought a house, like, quick, and I was here Is
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01:28:35
this still the same house you have now? Really? Yeah.
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01:28:38
That’s cool. We we looked at the house in May. I was living in it in August, and we were here. And then my kids started going to school out here. They loved it. I loved it right away. We’re performing, and then, we were doing shows inside where everybody’s like, this is crazy. You guys are doing shows indoors because Texas didn’t give a fuck.
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01:28:56
They, like, do shows. Like like, a couple months after COVID, they’re like, open it up.
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01:29:01
And So what are the numbers of people who got COVID? You know, I’ve never had COVID.
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You never got it at all?
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01:29:06
No. That’s crazy. I never got it. I don’t know if that’s a blood type. I don’t know. What is that?
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Maybe you’re healthy.
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Maybe I have it right now. I have a blood cold right now. Maybe I have it.
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The new COVID is a joke. It’s like Yeah. I I we used to test every day. We used to, like, everybody that came in because I wanted to be compliant. I wanted people people to feel safe. People are flying out here to do podcasts. I wanna make sure You’re
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not a dick.
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And so we tested everybody before every show. And one time I came in and I had the sniffles, and I was like, maybe it’s COVID. Maybe it’s COVID. And the nurse was like, actually, you have COVID. I was like, no way. I’m like, this is the new COVID. But I had it once and, like, famously got in trouble for saying that I didn’t get vaccinated, but I got healthy.
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Mhmm. And it
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was the CNN attacks and all that shit. And then, the second time I got COVID, it was literally sniffles, and it was gone in, like, a day or 2.
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So were the numbers different in Texas than anywhere else? I don’t know.
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I’m curious.
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I mean, the
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numbers were all like, the the the real people that got sick are the people with comorbidities. That was the real issue. It it what it exposed
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01:30:02
is that alcohol. Did because I have a brother-in-law who was in New Orleans in the epicenter of it, and it was the beginning of his residency and all that. And he was like, oh, bro. Oh,
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it fucking exists. I mean,
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it was fucking gnarly.
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01:30:13
Yeah. If you’re really unhealthy, COVID fucked you up.
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You up.
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01:30:16
If you’re really fat in particular, there was something about the way it reacted to fat folks.
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Too, he said.
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01:30:22
That’s a vitamin d thing.
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That’s a vitamin d thing.
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01:30:24
Yeah. Well, you know, African Americans, the reason why they’re so dark, the melanin is to protect them from the sun, and melanin in in white people, the reason why they’re so pale is because it acts as like a fucking solar panel for vitamin d. Right? So Right. The melanin actually protects them from the sun’s damage.
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Right.
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And but it also makes it more difficult for them to get vitamin d. So my friend did his residency in New York, and he said during the wintertime, we would do blood panels on people, and they would have undetectable levels of vitamin d.
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Wow.
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And this is the reason why people get sick in the winter. Yeah. You’re covering up. You’re indoors most of the time. You’re not getting any vitamin d. You’re not getting any sun. If you’re not supplementing and not just with vitamin d, by the way, you have to mix vitamin d with k 2 and magnesium. Mhmm.
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That’s the most effective way for your body to process it. If you’re not doing that, your immune system is shit.
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It’s not that you’re giving you’re not a living petri dish and you’re giving each other the thing because you would do that in the summer too. But the minute you go outside and you get that vitamin d Right. And you get that sun, it’s burning it away.
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Yeah. Well, you’re out in
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the sun. You’re
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healthier. Yeah. You’re supposed to be outside. Yeah. We’re not designed to get locked up in fucking cubicles and and fluorescent lights all day. It’s not normal.
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Yeah.
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So it’s not healthy. And if you don’t do something to mitigate that and to counteract that, your your metabolic health is gonna suffer. If you’re not fit, if you’re not healthy, if you’re overweight, if you’re not eating well, if you’re not taking vitamins, all those things are a huge factor that was completely ignored.
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And the narrative was like, no. You need this novel injection that we haven’t tested on anybody. We’re gonna fucking shoot it in every baby, every kid, every pregnant woman.
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Did you ever take 1?
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No. I almost did. I didn’t think it was a bad thing. Like, this whole pandemic is through education and talking to doctors and also through my experiences, it completely changed my concept and my thought about the medical system. When the vaccine was first available, I was more than willing to get it. In fact, the UFC allocated, like, a 150 vaccines for other employees.
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Mhmm.
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And we were doing these COVID shows where there was no audience. Mhmm. So we would do it at the Apex in Vegas. The UFC has their own small arena, and we’d have the fights there, and you’d go and get tested. I would I’d get tested in Austin. I’d fly to to Vegas, and then they test me again. And you weren’t supposed to go anywhere.
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You just stayed in your hotel, and then you showed up and did the fights. Mhmm. And then they got the allocations to the vaccine, and I called up the doctor and I said, hey. I’m here, for the fights. Can I get vaccinated?
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They said, sure. Come on in. And then when I got there, I called the doctor and said, actually, you have to go to the clinic. We have to do it at the clinic. Can you go on Monday? And I said, I can’t.
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I have to go back to Austin, but I’ll be back in 2 weeks for the next fights, and we’ll do it then. He said, great. In that 2 weeks, they pulled the vaccine because people are getting blood clots. And then also during that 2 weeks, 2 people that I knew had strokes. Like, one guy was in his fifties, and one guy was in his forties.
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Immediately following the vaccination?
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Within within days of the vaccine days. Got strokes. And I I had a bunch of friends that had complications, one friend who has a a pacemaker. I have a second friend now that has a pacemaker. And there was all these things that just kept happening.
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Pacemaker that they’ll have for the rest of their lives?
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I don’t know. It it depends on whether or not your heart heals, like, what how bad the damage is, what it but his heart would stop it would stop beating for, like, 9 seconds at a time. Wow, man. And he would just faint, and he was falling down.
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Right.
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And, you know, doctor Drews talked about this, about the he believes that’s what happened to a lot of people that, got boosted. A lot of people, like, after the booster, Like, there’s some something that would happen where your heart would just stop beating for a while and you’d black out and it would start up again and it
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you know? It wasn’t proven. It wasn’t a proven thing. But then again, how many of them are proven? Because, you know, let’s what you said it’s, what, 72, 73 shots?
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Yeah. Well, that’s a different kind of vaccine.
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But I understand that, but there’s still vaccines.
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Yes.
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And you go, why so much more now? Is there that much more to seize its money?
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I think it’s money.
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Based on money.
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I mean, I’m not an anti vaccine person, but but, look, I subscribe to Robert f Kennedy’s perspective. Like, they should all be tested. They should be safety tested, and they’re not. You know? But it
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comes down to this thing. Like, we were talking about working out. It comes down to this thing where you go, listen. The medical community, I can use
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Yeah.
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For certain things. The holistic community, I can use for certain things. Why do I have to deny Right. One just to be full in on the other?
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Right. Exactly. Well, it’s just a narrative that they put out there that medicine and pharmaceutical drugs are the most important thing and everything else is bullshit.
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Everybody should take OxyContin. Everybody should be
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on Yeah. Just the Zakat family. OxyContin. Yeah. It’ll help you feel better. You’ll feel better. Just like, oh, I feel better. Yeah.
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You don’t have to do anything to help you feel bad about it.
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So when we came here, that was the thing was, like, everybody who came here was kind of, like, fuck this. And then there were so many of us that Ron talked me into opening up a comedy club. I remember Ron You opened
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your own?
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Yeah. Ron went on stage, like, for the first time in, like, months. Like, I think it was 8 months. And he grabbed me by the shoulders, like, right after I got I mean, he fucking crushed. He goes on stage. There’s this giant standing ovation. He crushes and he comes off stage. He grabs me by my shoulders. Whatever the fuck we have to do, we’re gonna keep doing this.
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He goes, you gotta open up a club. I go, okay. I’m gonna open up a club.
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Yes, sir. And then I
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just started looking at club spots.
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How often do you do it?
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Almost I mean, every week, but
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Every week you you went
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on last night three times. I went I did 3 sets last night. Wow. Yeah. It’s constantly working.
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Yeah. Do you know Robert Rodriguez?
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The the director?
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Yeah.
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No. I don’t know him personally.
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That’s I’m aware of him. Me. Yeah. That’s who I’m doing. I’m at the Paramount Theatre tonight. I love that guy. Yeah. I love him. Yeah. Done one to I’ve known him for 30 years.
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Oh, no. I’d love to meet him. Yeah. But, no. I I love his work, though.
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Yeah. Super good guy. Yeah. And he plays at Antoine’s a lot.
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Oh, yeah. Antoine’s. Antoine’s. That’s true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s not just Gary Hart. Right? Place. Is it? Yes. My friend Gary.
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I didn’t know it. So my wife knows Gary’s wife really well.
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Oh, my wife knows Gary’s wife really well.
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Shit, dude. I met somebody on the plane who sat next to me, so I flew to New York.
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They they sent a picture to my wife
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of you.
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Yes. Yes.
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Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Bentley?
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I don’t know the guy the guy’s name. I don’t know the guy.
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No. No. No. No. No. The guy that I met on the plane today Right. He said, what are you here doing? I said, oh, I’m gonna see Brogan this afternoon. I’m doing Paramount Theater tonight. And he said, oh, that’s so funny. And he didn’t talk to me the whole flight, and he said, my son, Bentley, went out with Rosie.
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Yes. That’s what it is. Yes. That’s what it is. So he sent a photograph to my wife. Yeah. Because I
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took a photograph of him when he sent it as well.
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Day right when I was leaving. My wife shows her the photograph.
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Fucking funny.
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It’s crazy. That’s crazy.
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Small world. From a really small world.
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Super, super small world. Yeah. But yeah. So yeah. Gary’s wife and my wife are good friends.
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Yeah. So I’ve never met Gary.
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Oh, he’s the best.
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Man, I love him.
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He’s the best.
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I mean, that’s He
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that’s another artist. A true artist. That’s an artist. I mean, he’s an artist.
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Another true artist. I was just with him. I did his video. I was asked to do a lot of videos, and I’ve never done a video because I’ve never wanted to do a video. The idea of doing video seems weird to me. You’re, like, you know, singing somebody else’s song or something like that.
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But, Chris Stapleton, who’s been around for a long time. So we were in the market together. Has he?
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Yeah. I love that guy.
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Greatest fucking guys. He and Morgan, one of the greatest people. So, yeah, we were together over the weekend in Marfa, Texas.
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Oh, that’s fucking cool. Yeah. It was awesome. There’s I mean, and Gary’s another guy that I knew back in LA. I met Gary at the Comedy Store.
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Doesn’t he still live in LA? No. He lives here. Oh, he does full time.
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Yep. And that’s the same thing. Like, when I talked to Gary about it, I go, why’d you move to Texas? And this was back when I was still living in LA. He goes, man, fuck that.
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Right.
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Fuck that place. Fuck everything about that place. I don’t like it. I don’t feel good there.
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Out of we haven’t moved to Austin. I’ve spent a lot of time here. I love it here. My mom’s from Corpus Christi. I’ve spent a lot of time in Texas. I’m gonna eat Whataburger while I’m here. And but I you know, we moved to Santa Barbara recently, and it’s one of those things.
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It’s just like there’s the thing about LA when you don’t need because you can do so many things remotely, and you go, why am I here? Right.
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Right. Why am I here?
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Like, I embrace this staunch thing of I’m a Californian and I loved going to New York and seeing how proud people were in New York, and I’d go back to California and I’d say, I wanna be the one proud person that’s in California.
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There was proud people in LA for a while.
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There were. We were all proud
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that we were LA Comics. Yeah. LA Comics were like a different thing than New York Comics.
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Right.
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Because New York Comics were all, like, for themselves. They were all kinda shitty and backstabby. And at the Comedy Store, we had a real community where there was, like
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And that’s the best thing. And what you’ve done is recreate it. Like, even when I talk about a Chopper community, that’s what it is. It’s a community that you can rely on Yes. Regardless of belief system or or anything like that, you go, but that guy has my back.
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Yes.
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That guy will walk through fire for me. Yes. That guy wants me to do well.
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That’s your people.
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That’s my people. Yeah. And that’s the same thing with that.
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All my people moved out here. They moved out here with me. So we had, like, 16 top shelf comedians move out here
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in the first two years. That many?
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There’s so many clubs out here. There’s 5 clubs on the street where my clubs are.
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That’s crazy.
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I bought the old Ritz Theater. Yeah. So that’s the comedy mothership now. And down the street, there’s a Sunset Club that my friend Brian owns, and that’s a club that’s, like, 5 doors down from me.
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So all these are new clubs that’s happened in the last 4 years.
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The Vulcan was already there. That was the club that we started working at when we came here. That’s down the street from me. That’s only, like, a block away. And then there’s the Creek in the Cave, another comedy club that’s only like 2 blocks away. There’s a bunch of them just on this one street.
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What if I move here and open a club and just do monologues? Do you think people will come? Sure. Different people. If
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it’s good.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this one’s from Sicario.
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If it’s good, people would go. They might.
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They might.
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You look, man. It’s a fucking you really have a
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This is a weird artsy city, which I love.
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Artsy city.
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It is.
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It is. There’s a lot of fake artists or
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I know there, but there is everywhere.
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Yeah. There’s a lot of posers. Yeah. But that’s all people that just like like the idea of them being the one who decides what’s real and what’s not real.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Just goofs. You’re always gonna have that. There’s a lot of that that they hated us when we came here. But really what they didn’t like is that you couldn’t just fuck around anymore. The real killers were here now. Yeah. The real top shelf, like, national headliners, guys like Tom Segura and Tim Dillon and these animals moved into town.
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So this is like a new hub?
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It’s the hub of the world for comedy. The comedy mothership is the hub of comedy in the world. That’s wild. Yeah. And it just just opened 2 years ago. That’s cool. It’s packed every night. It’s it’s awesome. Like, Dave came down, like, opening week. It was incredible, and no one knew he was there.
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So, I did a set, and then, after I did a set, I I I introduced him, and everybody just went fucking apeshit.
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Yeah.
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And we’re like, it’s up. Like, the club’s rolling now. Now now it’s really happening. And then all these people were coming in from all over the country, and a bunch of people moved here. And there there’s people moving here constantly. Shane Gillis moved here, and all these guys moved here.
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So it’s still happening?
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Oh, yeah. It’s still growing. Migrating into We’re talking about opening up another club because it’s we’re so packed every night, and we have so many comics. Yeah. We almost have too many comics and not enough room.
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01:41:48
Has the place grown a lot in the last 4 years? I mean, other than people yeah. But do you see a gentrification of it or just like things that you got no.
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You see a lot of tech bros have moved here because, you know, Google moved here and Facebook and
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01:42:00
I remember when Jesse James moved here, which was a while ago.
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He moved here a long
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time ago. Long time ago. Yeah. I remember when he moved from Long Beach. Yeah. And he called me and he was like, it’s fucking great.
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It’s fucking great. It’s better. Yeah. I just never will live in a place that has traffic ever again. I’ll never live in a big city. Austin’s like a 1000000 people. It’s a 1000000 on the outside and a 1000000 in the city. It’s nothing. Yeah. It’s easy. It’s easy to get around. People are friendly.
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They’re they’re they’re just like real people. There there’s no one here that’s, like, connected to that machine that that that forced compliance.
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Why do you think that feeds into your or, like, to me, being in LA, when everybody’s talking about what’s your status right now?
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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The thing about your
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all people care about is are you killing? Are you going on stage and fucking killing? Yeah. Are you doing your best work? Are you doing it, period? Yeah. I do.
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Are you doing your best work? Like, do you care? Yes. Do you really
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care? Are you really working on it? Are you really Are
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you just another affectation?
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And if you’re at that club, you have to be working on it because there’s too many people that are working on it.
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01:43:05
Yeah.
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There’s too many kill you can’t just be lazy. Yeah. You you won’t survive. There’s too many killers.
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01:43:10
I wanna go to this club. Anytime.
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Go tonight. Cool. If you wanna come tonight.
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01:43:14
Well, I got this thing that you’re doing tonight.
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What’s what’s your thing? What time is it?
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I don’t know. 8, 7?
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We have a 7 o’clock show and a 10 o’clock show.
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01:43:20
Really? And then come after us? Come after. Come hang out.
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01:43:22
Jelly Roll was there last night.
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01:43:24
Really? Was he really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s cool.
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Jelly Roll’s the man. He’s here all the time. He’s always hanging out here.
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01:43:29
Do you have my book?
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I do not. You don’t? No. I do not. No one sent it to me. If they did, it probably went to a publicist or someone.
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01:43:35
I was gonna bring a book for you.
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01:43:38
I’ll buy it. Josh Brolin from under the truck. IRS Thompson. From under the truck.
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What do you think?
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Because that’s where you were drunk, passed out?
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01:43:47
That’s where my mom’s boyfriend was drunk and passed out. Oh. But it has this to me, I chose it because it has a double entendre that when you’re under a truck, you’re either fixing it or getting run over by it. Oh. Hence, my life.
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Oh. I’m
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either getting running run over by it or fixing it.
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How did you sort it out? Because you’re so together now.
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Am I?
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Yeah. I think you are.
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Thank you.
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You’re fun.
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Thanks, man.
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Fun people are together. If you can be fun, you’re together.
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I think I’m at that place. I found a place that you have always been at that I didn’t have. I had the opposite where you go, no. I didn’t do cocaine because and forget the drugs. It’s the mentality. I didn’t do cocaine because it would kill me. And I would go, oh, that stuff will kill you. Yeah. Let’s let’s just walk that line.
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I always wanted to walk that line, and I had a mother that walked that line. The the book is very mother heavy. Mhmm. Very, very mother heavy. And it would wasn’t intended to be. It just turned out that be my that’s why I wanted to. Fuck. I wish I had a book.
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No worries.
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I’m I’m glad to read you a section of the LSD 13 year old LSD thing because it’s fun. Yeah. It’s juicy. Yeah. You like juicy stuff. I do. And I wanna read you juicy stuff.
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13 LSD is so wild. That’s such a crazy mind blowing experience for a 13 year old to have.
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01:45:04
Yeah. Can you imagine? Because you look at I mean, I had I had kids. When I had my first kid, I was 20 years old, and I was looking at 14 years in prison.
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Oh my god. Yeah. Jesus Christ.
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So I that’s why I didn’t I would I missed my shot out there. I was surprised. It’s Johnny Cash. There’s a little bit of a little bit of a problem.
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Find find Josh Brolin’s
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Oh, yeah. See if it’s in there. I think there’s a couple.
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Get a big mental print
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of it. Couple. Not a metal product. Of it. But, Well,
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it’s part of your life, and it’s why you’re you today because you’ve gone through shitty experiences.
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01:45:38
Yeah. But I don’t know if they’re shitty. That’s what I haven’t I haven’t decided whether they’re shitty or whether they’re necessary for this person to get to this place, and not everybody gets to that place. So we’re talking about all these people like Hunter s Thompson. Hunter s Thompson is my mother, man. Just that she wasn’t a good writer.
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01:45:55
But Everything that you the song Right. That was my mom. My mom had a 9 loaded 9 millimeter at her bedside table all the time. She was part of the what was the scam that went on in the eighties? The pyramid scam. Oh. Remember that?
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She was one of the top five winners of the pyramid scam.
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Oh, boy.
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She could talk anybody into anything. So she would come home literally, man, with bags, with grocery bags full of cash.
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Wow.
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And she’d dump it out, and she’d say count.
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Jesus.
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So I would sit there and Wow. Count. You know what I mean? And she’d put them, and I finally found, I think she had hidden some in her dresser and that there was like a loose board that she, right, took away and put money in there and I found it and bought some drums.
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When my grandmother died, we found stuff like that in her house because my grandmother went through the the depression.
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Oh, yeah.
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And so everybody mentality. They all, like, stockpile money. So she had coffee cans Yeah. Filled with money that she had, like, tucked away in, like, different areas of the house that we found after she died.
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Right. Right. That’s kinda great. Yeah. The mentality of, like Yeah.
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Well, the the mentality didn’t grow up or you literally might starve to death. There’s no way And
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you be there’s no way that can affect you and that’s the whole point.
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No way.
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There’s no way that somebody can have that mentality of every cent means something. Right. And we have to hide it unless he somebody else takes it or whatever. With my mother, it was always looking for the most vivid experience. And I don’t know why that was. Her parents weren’t like that. It’s just how she was.
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How she’s born?
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And then you either have my brother. I don’t know if you have siblings or not, but my brother dealt with a totally different my my brother imploded. Mhmm. So he lives his life as simply as you can possibly live it. Whereas me, it was my reaction was The
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other way.
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Yeah. It was
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So so how now and why? I don’t know. I don’t know. 45 years old. I think it feels like a good age to go, okay. Do I wanna do I wanna go Nick Nolte or do I wanna
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go Right.
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Right. Right. And I can do that easy. You know.
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Nick used to date Vicky Lewis who was on news radio with me. Yeah. No way. Yeah. Yeah.
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I didn’t know that.
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Yeah. I remember Vicky. Wow. Super talented.
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Super talented.
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Yeah. Sing. Good act. She was she was a firebrand. Yeah. And, Nick, you we used to hang around the set and it was always so weird to me to be talking to Nick Nolte. It was so strange. Yeah. I remember one time I went to Fry’s Electronics because I was going to buy some I used to make my own computers.
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Yeah.
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Because I was, like, really into, like, computer games. Electronics. Okay. So I like build my own computers. Yeah. And so I’m there, like, looking at mother ships and I see this fucking old guy with his glasses on, and I go I go, Nick, he goes, oh, hey, Joe. How are you, man? Do you know anything about these things?
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And, like, I was talking to him about, like, computer stuff, but I just couldn’t believe he knows my name. Yeah. And he remembered me.
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He saved my life, man. He saved my life at 25. I was
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Bro, there’s a terrible movie called Warrior. Movie. Terrible movie.
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You mean the UFC movie with Tom Hardy and
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That one sucks. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But he’s fucking incredible in it.
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He’s amazing.
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His one scene this one scene where he breaks down, you know, he’s the dad. Mhmm.
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It’s so I know it well.
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Fucking good. It’s so good. That one scene is worth sitting through the entire preposterous movie.
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Yeah. Why do you hate that movie so much?
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Because it’s fake. Yeah. You can’t have you can’t fight, like, 2 days in a row. You you
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Wasn’t the Tyson Jake fight? Wasn’t that amazing?
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Yeah. It’s amazing they got paid so much money for that.
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25,000,000 and 40,000,000?
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I think 2040. Yeah. I think that’s what I’d heard. You know, which I’m I’m happy Mike got the money, and I’m happy that he didn’t get hurt. That was my fear that it was gonna be a real fight and he was gonna get hurt.
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You’ve known him for a long time. I’ve known him for a long time.
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I love that dude.
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Me too. And
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he was a, like, larger than life figure in my childhood.
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Truly.
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Me too. When I was a kid, when he was a champ, it was like people don’t understand what a champ he was. Like, he was a he wasn’t just the heavyweight champ of the world. He was an executioner.
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Every fight was
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just a matter
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of how long was it gonna last.
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Fight it was that I went to go see a couple of fights,
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and I actually went to
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go see Julio Cesar Chavez
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fight. Oh. And that’s when I met Tyson in the green room, and and I met, at the same time, Muhammad Ali in the green room.
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Oh, wow.
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That was a moment. Wow. As a boxing fan,
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that was a real moment.
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But I remember, and I don’t know who it was, and I think it was a 92nd fight. And I went to go see this fight, and Tyson was fighting. And this guy was doing this stuff before and he had this cut he had built himself into confidence, and Mike came out afterwards. He was the first one, obviously, and Mike came out afterwards, and I watched his face. I didn’t watch Mike.
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You would normally watch Mike because he’s so charismatic, and he’s coming. He wants to see what he’s gonna do. And I watched the guy’s face, and I watched that confidence bleed from his face Yeah. Instantaneously. Yeah.
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He had absolutely lost the fight long before Mike had ever gotten in the ring.
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Yeah. I maintained that in a time where he was champion, like, the 2 or 3 years
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Yeah.
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Where he was at his best, he’s the greatest fighter of all time.
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Of all time.
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Of all time. Yeah. I don’t think anybody
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why it was so interesting to me as I was watching it, and I’m very verbal when it comes to that shit. Come on. What the fuck? You know what I mean? And he was he’s still quick.
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Oh, yeah. He’s He’s still quick. He’s still very quick. And he would do But, you know, Mike had like he was walking with a cane just like a year and a half ago.
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Yeah. But he was really out
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of shape. Bad sciatica.
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Bad sciatica. Yeah. I didn’t know that.
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Yeah. Real bad. Uh-huh. It wasn’t that long ago that he was you know, I mean, when I first met him, he was very, very heavy. He was not working out at all, and I asked him, how come he don’t work out? He goes, I don’t wanna ignite my ego.
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That’s amazing.
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I don’t wanna ignite the gods of war.
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The gods of war. Yeah.
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And then the second time he came in, was when he was preparing for the Roy Jones junior fight.
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Came in here?
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Yeah. And he was a totally different human being. He was fucking jacked and in shape and he looked super intense.
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Yeah.
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And he was just, like, ready to go and it was terrifying. It was like and Jamie Wait.
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When was this?
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Few years ago. 4 years ago?
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Mhmm. 4
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years ago? And so when he came in the second time, I was like, this is Jamie said it afterwards. He’s like, that’s a totally different human being than
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the first
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time we saw him.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He was one of the first guys, like like I said, with Nick Nolte. He was like, is that really Nick Nolte? This is crazy. Yeah. I can’t believe he’s right there. Yeah. Mike Tyson is one of the first people that I met, though. I can’t believe he’s really here.
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Mhmm.
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Because just, like, he was
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so life.
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Iconic. Mhmm. Like, he had to be alive and be a kid during the time where he was the champion to understand what he was. Because there was after Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes was a great fighter, but no one liked him because he beat up Muhammad Ali. So people always just wanted
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him to lose the only reason? There was there’s just a certain air of somebody, and they come along once in a great while.
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Yes. But Larry Holmes never got his due. Yeah. He was an amazing fighter. Amazing fighter, but still But when he retired, then there was just like a series of boring champions. Like, no one cared about the heavyweight division at all.
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Yeah.
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No one cared. Yeah. And then, the cover of Sports Illustrated, I still I have it framed in my office at home. It said Kid Dynamite on it and he was 19 years old. And I was like, who is this guy?
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Yeah.
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And then I started watching him fight, and then he was fighting on, like, ABC, Wired World of Sports. You know, like, Jesus Christ.
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Do you find yourself going back and watching highlights just to do it?
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Yeah. I do it all the time. Fights all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I just I just watched this fight with Frank Bruno just a couple of days ago.
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Frank Bruno.
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Oh my god. Tyson was something just I just don’t think you can maintain that.
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You can only do that fight for a few years. Never worked out with, like do you remember the fight with him and Bonecrusher Smith? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not a great fight.
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No. It wasn’t the best fight.
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Bonecrusher Smith was not a great fighter.
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Well, he was a good fighter.
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He’s just He’s not a great fighter.
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Tough guy.
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Yeah.
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But, you know, brutal knockout puncher. It just wasn’t at Mike’s level. Yeah. Mike was at a level that no one was at. It was just it was an insane combination of discipline, talent, incredible coaching, psychology. You know, when he was 13 years old, he was adopted by a guy No.
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I know. Custom who was a hypnotist.
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I know.
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He’s cup used to hypnotize him.
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Oh, I didn’t know that.
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Yeah. Hypnotized him at the time he was 13. And he Into being the greatest fighter? Into being the greatest fighter. Wow. And he told him, you don’t exist. Only the task exists. And the task was just
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Did Mike tell you that? Yeah. Yeah. I’ve never heard him say that. Yeah. Did he say that to other people?
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Oh, yeah. He said it publicly.
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I’ve never heard of it.
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Yeah. He talked about the hypnosis. The he started doing it when he was 13 years old.
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So what’s the parallel between and this is the last thing I’ll interview you about. What’s the what’s the thing between Tyson and Jon Jones who I met once, and I looked at him when I met him on a plane, and he didn’t give me really the time of day. But I was like, I’m a huge fan, and I don’t say that often to a lot of people.
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Because all day long.
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You know? I’m sure he does. Yeah. There’s no doubt. Special fighter.
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It’s conquerors. That’s what it is. Like, they’re both conquerors. Like, I’ve I’ve had this thing that I put up on my Instagram the other day that somebody made. It was me talking about trying to explain why John exists. That there’s people that are just different. They’re wired different, and they they are uncommon amongst uncommon men. Mhmm.
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They just they rise to the top of the top. They’re
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blacktop of their
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dominate. They just dominate, and that’s John. He’s just the greatest of all time.
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It’s exciting.
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He’s 37 years old, and he’s still the greatest.
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I mean, watching that fight watching watching, you know, Tyson or Jake Paul or whatever, Jake Paul. I wonder if you wanna say Tyson. And then going the next day and watching that fight. Yeah. Watching those fights. It wasn’t the only fight. The one before was, what was his name?
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The fight before Jon Jones.
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Oh, Charles Olivera and Michael Chandler. Yeah. Incredible fight. Incredible fight.
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Amazing fight.
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Yeah. Yeah. John is a he’s a special dude. When he’s gone, we’re all gonna miss him. It’s a different kind of I mean, he’s been at the top for 14 fucking years. He won the title as the youngest guy to ever win a UFC title, 23.
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23.
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And Mike was the youngest heavyweight champion of all time at 20, which is I remember. Really crazy.
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Crazy.
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But when Jon Jones won that title at 23, it’s just been destruction Yeah. Of everyone ever since. Every never ducked anybody, fought all the best, destroyed everybody, has dominated his division, went up to heavyweight, dominates at heavyweight.
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So why does somebody like that self destruct? Is that a self destruction?
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Wild motherfucker. That’s how you get to be that good.
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Isn’t that what we’re talking about the whole time? Is we’re taught like, whether it’s Thomas Thompson and this and how you walk that line, Mike Tyson spending whatever, $350, $400,000,000, going to jail, whatever that is. Wild.
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But that’s also what makes you so good, that that wildness. Jon Jones, when he fought Mauricio Shogon Hula for the light heavyweight title when he was 23 years old, he opens up the fight with a flying knee. Nobody does that. You’re fighting a legend. Shogon at that time when he was the light heavyweight champion, he was a legend. Yeah.
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And not just a legend from the UFC, but a legend from Pride. Yeah. Pride was this gigantic organization in Japan that Shogun really became famous.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. So he was, like, a mythical creature almost in in MMA circles. He was that was shogun hula. He was a
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Connor McGregor and Jon Jones.
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Jon’s in a different category.
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It’s a different thing.
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Yeah. Connor self destructed, you know, in a lot of ways because of money.
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Mhmm.
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You know, I mean, he took that fight with Floyd Mayweather. He made a ton of money off that and then took a long time before he came back to MMA, and he’s just not been the same guy since. And I think that’s just it’s money. It’s a lot of partying, but it’s the same kind of thing.
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It’s just a wild but in his prime, when when Conor was in his prime, he was fucking assassin. He was a fucking assassin.
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That thing, that through line of not being able to let go. It’s like what you were talking about Chappelle. Chappelle leaves for 10 years, but then he goes to the park and he does a thing. There’s a thing that’s insatiable, that warrior mentality.
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Yeah. But there’s a difference because physically, you can only fight for so long.
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That’s true.
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Comedy, you get better every year. Yeah.
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Yeah. You
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keep doing Dave’s better now than he was a year ago. He’d be better 2 years
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You can still be Rodney Dangerfield eventually.
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Don Rodney Dangerfield, when I saw him, he was probably 70 years old. He was murdering in his fucking bathrobe naked.
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And with this schlong hanging out.
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Yeah. He was he was still amazing because That’s crazy. It’s not a physical thing. You don’t have, like your body can only compete at the highest levels for so long, which is one of the things that’s so extraordinary about John. Yeah. Because he’s 37. He still competes at the highest level.
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It blew my mind the other night.
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Well
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It was exciting. You know It was nice to be excited about something.
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Speed base pass is prime, unfortunately, and he’s got a lot of wear on the tires, and it was kinda rough watching him get beat up like that. Yeah. But that’s the game they play. That’s the sport.
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Yeah. And what’s great about UFC that I never thought would last in the beginning, the great thing is anything can happen. Anything can happen.
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Yeah. Frank Fertitta and Lorenzo Fertitta always said that every fight, every UFC, we we sell holy shit moments. That’s that’s what he said.
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That’s
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it. Like, there’s moments in the fight where you’re
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like, holy shit.
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You look around at each other and everybody
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Dude, nobody does it better than you when you do this. You go back and you think you go, oh, and your eyes
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are We always did that, but then they start putting cameras on us. Right. And I don’t know why when it started the cornea? Yeah. We always did that. Yeah. Every time something would happen, we would Because it’s it’s organic.
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Yes. It’s like you can’t help it. That’s what I’m doing at home. Yeah. Holy fuck.
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Holy shit. Yeah. Holy shit.
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Holy shit.
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Yeah. There’s moments where you just like Yeah. You can’t believe it’s really happening. Yeah. That’s the sport. The sport is it’s the craziest sport. It’s the highest consequences of any sport. It’s just it’s so raw and dangerous Mhmm. And you can’t look away. It’s so crazy.
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And when someone can dominate it like Jon Jones or Jore St Pierre or Mighty Mouse or any any of the greats.
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Jore St Pierre, another great one. Greats. Yeah.
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When they when they can do that, it’s like that’s a different kind of human being. This is I mean, to be the best of the best people, the best people in the world at fighting and then he’s the best of the best people. Yeah. And when George was in his prime, it was that same sort of thing.
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You would see him stand there like this intense look in his eyes just couldn’t wait to get his fucking hands on that guy, like, goddamn. It’s you’ve I feel very very very very fortunate that I’ve been able to witness personally so many of those moments Yeah. And be there to watch greatness so many times.
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I think it’s great that you’ve continued. It’s surprising to me
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that you can
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I know you do, and that’s why you continue to do it?
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Well, I did the first, like, 13 of them for free. First 13 ever? Yeah. First thing I did. The one no. There was already it was, like, UFC 30 37.
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Oh, oh, when you got
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into it? I started working at UFC 12.
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Yeah.
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I did UFC 12 was the first event that I did in 1997. I was the post fight interview guy.
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Wow.
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And so I did that for a couple of years, but it was banned from cable. It was basically like
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That’s why I said it was going it kinda went like this, and then it was going down.
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Boxing did it to them. Boxing in cahoots with Budweiser, which is funny because now Bud White sponsors the UFC.
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Right. Right.
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But they all wanted the MMA thing to go away because it was so exciting and crazy. They thought of it as a threat.
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Yeah.
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And, they they essentially banished it. It also just had this unsavory look to it. You’re fighting in a cage.
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02:01:25
Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah. Back in those days, it was bare knuckle.
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Bare knuckle.
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You know? And then
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Body, it was yeah.
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Yeah. It was just crazy. It was, like, they would call it human cockfighting. Yeah. You know, which I always found was just disgusting. But me as a martial artist, the question was always, what would happen if you got a judo guy and he fought a wrestler? What would happen if you got a boxer and he fought a karate guy? What would and the UFC is, like, let’s find out. Yeah.
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02:01:48
You know, so Hori and Gracie came up with this concept. What I
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was gonna say. Gracie was one of the first judo versus jujitsu. Right?
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Well, Hoist, you know, and Hoist was the 1st champion of the UFC. And he was the 1st guy that introduced that, like, technique is more important than everything.
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Right.
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Technique is more important than being big, more important than being strong. Mhmm. Because Hoist was, like, £175. He was very slight and long and I remember the fight. Just a jujitsu wizard. Yep. And he would get guys on the ground, strangle the fuck out of him. We were, like, what happened? This is crazy.
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It’s
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another o o shit moment.
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Yeah. And the big jack guys tapping, like, what? What happened? Right. And Hoist just opened up the world to Brazilian jiu jitsu, and it made Brazilian jiu jitsu, like, the most popular martial art on Earth. Yeah. Like, his appearances in the UFC changed the entire course of martial arts.
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His family, the Gracie family, particularly his father Elio, his his brother Hixson
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Yeah.
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His brother Heuler, they and Horian, of course, because he created UFC. They changed martial arts forever.
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Yeah.
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That, like, more more development and evolution of martial arts has taken place over the last 30 years than over the last 30 1000 years. Wow. Yeah. Like, really, that’s accurate. Yeah. Like, fighting is different. People really understand what works and what doesn’t work now.
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And watching him was balletic. It was like a ballet.
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Yes.
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It was like it wasn’t it was art. It was art. Real martial arts. No. It wasn’t that.
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His dad told him, don’t hurt these people. Don’t hurt them. You don’t have to hurt them. Show them the art.
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Just submit them.
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Show them the art. Yeah. So, like, hoist, when he got on top of it, he wasn’t, like, elbowing them to eyeballs.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He was just strangling folks. Just arm bar folks. Making them tap. Making them quit. Absolutely. And and he did it to everybody, and they were all, like, what the fuck just happened? And then everybody had to learn jiu jitsu. It changed martial arts forever.
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Do your kids do jiu jitsu? Yeah.
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My kids have done it. Yeah.
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Have done it.
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Yeah. They don’t do it anymore. They do other stuff. I don’t push them. No. Whatever they’re in. If they wanted to do it tomorrow, they said, I’m thinking about doing some kickboxing. Let’s go. Where you wanna go?
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Right.
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But I don’t believe in everybody’s different. I don’t want them to follow my footsteps or anything stupid like that.
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I just want
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I want you to be your own human being.
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I’m sorry.
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What what are you interested in? They’re both interested in different things. My youngest is an artist. You know, my other one is a a phenomenal athlete. It’s like, I think that you should do what you wanna do. Yep. And if you wanna do that, I’ll bring you. I’ll I’ll show you. I’ll teach you.
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I’ll help you. But if you don’t wanna do that, I don’t wanna push you.
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Let me be a good parent and celebrate what my kid is, not what I want.
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So many different kinds of things you could be interested in life, and everyone has a different psychology. So everyone has different things they gravitate towards. It’s just like, what is the thing? Is it music? Is it art? Is it your writing? What do you like to do? Find that thing, chase it down.
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How many kids do you have?
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I have 3.
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3. I have
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a grown she’s 28, and I have 16 to 14.
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Yeah.
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I feel like you’ve gotta do what what what compels you
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Yeah.
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What drives you. And part of it as a parent is, like, there’s so many stories of parents, particularly with, like, talented athletes Mhmm. That were too hard on the kid and put too much discipline on the kid, and the kids burned out. Yeah. I’ve seen so many cases of that. Yeah.
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You know, with these That right sideline pair.
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That Asian mentality. You should Not here, but there. The joy. He kills the joy.
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You know what Royce Gracie’s dad used to do? Mhmm. If he lost a competition, he would buy them a present.
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Because what was the psychology?
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They’re always gonna wanna win.
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Meaning the effort? He bought the effort? He bought the present for the effort? Or It’s
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like, it doesn’t matter.
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It doesn’t
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matter. Like, here, you have a toy. Here’s a here’s a gift. Here’s the thing. Mhmm. Like, it’s like, this is just growth. It’s just just development. Ho Hoist’s dad, Elio, felt like you live the same life over and over and over again until you get it right. Mhmm. You you subscribe to that, like, ancient Yeah. Yeah. Eastern philosophy of believed you Kind of him do belief. Over and over and I until you get it right. Mhmm.
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And so his philosophy on Just do 1% better a day. Just do 1%.
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Just give you
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it’s not about going from here
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to here. It’s not living at a 100% all the time. It’s the process. It’s the process.
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It’s the process. The constant process of growth. Yeah. And then and through that constant process I mean, what they did was even more crazy because Elio along with, Carlos Gracie, they revolutionized a martial art. Like, they jiu jitsu was brought over by these judokas from Japan. Mhmm.
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Maeda and, and, Kimura who came over to America or came over to Brazil rather and trained with the Gracies, and then they took those techniques and made them applicable to smaller people.
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Yeah.
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Made them applicable to, like because Elio was only a £145. Yeah. But even have these no rules fights in Brazil, these fucking huge fights that would go for, like, an hour and a half. Wow. Yeah. And he would just beat these guys with technique. So they developed leverage and take they they figured out a way to highlight the submissions and make things super technical, and they would analyze moves and break them down, and it became the philosophy of the entire family.
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That one family Yeah. Created more fucking assassins than any other family in the history of martial arts.
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They’re the nicest people. The nicest people. Those yeah.
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Yeah. I hoist in here, like, a couple months ago. He was awesome. He’s so fun.
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You know, Sassy? No. She’s with a girl. She’s with Laird a lot. She Okay. Laird’s place a lot. I mean, they
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have a clan, bro.
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It’s a clan, but it’s a close clan.
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Yes.
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And it’s a it’s a friendly familial clan.
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Yep. Yeah. They’re very nice people. But that’s the thing about jiu jitsu. It’s like you get out all your aggression in the gym, and it kills your ego.
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Then you can go be kind.
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You can just be a nice person.
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Be a nice person.
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Like jiu jitsu people are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
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Me too.
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They’re super friendly and warm and so, like, normal people. Yeah. They just are obsessed with this one thing. Yeah. You know? And through that thing, it’s like a vehicle for developing your human potential
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Yeah.
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Because it’s so difficult. Mhmm. And when you do a difficult thing, it makes the rest of life a lot easier because there’s no way whatever you’re experiencing during the day is gonna be as difficult as someone on your back trying to strangle the blood out of your brain. Like, literally try to fucking choke the blood out of your head. Like, there’s there’s no way.
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There’s no way life could be harder
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than that. The thing is the wildness. You have to have something. To be a champion.
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Yes. To
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be a champion or to be a good person, I think. You have wildness, which we’ve talked about throughout this whole thing. If you
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don’t have wildness, you gotta be poor.
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Back honestly because I have to. Bring it back to the book. That’s what the book is about. Yeah. Wildness, unmitigated.
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Right. But you eventually figured
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out a way to get it. Turns out on you. No. But most people, it turns around and it bites you in the ass. It’s a sad ending.
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But I think those sad endings are a valuable lesson for the other people.
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Power of
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example. Yeah. You learn from a lot of oh, I I the one of the reasons why I never did Coke is when I was in high school, my friend’s cousin became a Coke head. He was a Coke dealer and became a Coke head, and him and his girlfriend would just do Coke and hide. They were just, like, they had an attic apartment.
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They were in this fucking apartment. We’re just, like, doing coke and Yeah.
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Like selling coke and watching
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TV and Yeah. And he, like, withered away. He lost all this weight. Look like he got bit by a vampire. Yeah. And I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, stay the fuck away from coke.
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That’s terrifying. Why would you wanna do that? What would be attractive about that? Nothing.
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I guess it’s the I mean, you’ve done it. I haven’t done it. I guess it’s the euphoria when you get that hit. You get that feeling, that that feeling of elevation, you know, that feeling of, like, you know, you just know fear and you feel excited. You wanna start a business with people and you got plans, right? We’re gonna fucking take over.
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Love in the in in, like, in the description of it, the eyes kinda get like this and the craziness you see. Yeah. And you go, yeah. It’s bad for everybody else. It may be good for you for, like, 15 minutes, but everybody else is fucking miserable around here.
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The worst thing to me was when I would be high, like, smoking weed Yeah. And I’d be, like, just chilled and silly, and I’d run into a coke head. And, like, oh, no.
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Who’s trying to talk to you like this?
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You just
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get battered with, like,
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talk. Oh, yeah. You’re like, I gotta get out of
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here. It’s disgusting to me.
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It’s a weird drug. It’s a weird drug, but it’s obviously very popular
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Yeah.
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And causes a lot of problems.
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Yeah. No thanks anymore. Yeah. No thanks. I’m good.
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Interested in that one.
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You smoke your butt, I’ll smoke my cigar.
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Yeah. I like cigars too. Cigars are conversational.
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They’re they’re they’re tools
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for conversation. Yeah. They relax you, light your brain up a little bit, get you a little little fired up.
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Read this book when you can.
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I will.
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Seriously, I think you’ll like it.
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I know I’ll like it. I like talking to you.
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Yeah. It’s, yeah. You’ll laugh. You’ll laugh. Not everybody will laugh when they read the book. You will laugh. Because I think you understand absurdity.
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How long did it take you to put it together? 3
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years. It’s nonlinear. It goes all over the place in all these years. Did you have
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when you sat down, did you have, like, a framework in mind of how you wanted to pursue it?
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No. No? No. Because I’ve written probably 90 journals in my life, 90 full journals, and I would go back and I kinda started to put some of those together, and I’d go, oh, that happened in 88 or that happened in 76 and that, you know, that kind of stands out as being a, you know, milestone moment or whatever.
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And I start to write those down. They were really poorly written, and then that started to instigate one thing and another thing, and it kind of wrote itself. Mhmm. I think it was 450 pages when I finished, and then I knocked it down to, like, 240.
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What is that process like? The editing process?
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A good process. That’s the hardest process I’ve ever gone through, but you become a better writer. It’s like
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Do you do it with an editor, or do you do it by yourself?
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I did. No. I did it with an editor because I didn’t sell the book right away. You know how memoir first of all, most memoirs are not written by the people who they’re about, which makes no sense to me.
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Right.
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Because you’re writing about yourself, but you’re hiring somebody else to do it, but you’re taking the money. I don’t get it. So I wrote it. I wrote the entire book, then I sold it. So I didn’t sell it based on a celebrity. I just sold it based on the book because you could read the book and write it. And some people hated it.
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Some people read it, and they go, I don’t get it. It’s too wild. It’s too whatever.
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And Well, everything is not for everybody.
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Exactly. And that’s okay.
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Yeah. That’s not it’s more than okay.
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It’s What’s wild is when I when I when I was in the middle, which I think you would like, when I was in the middle of doing the audible for the book, about halfway through stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck did I do? I should burn any evidence that this fucking was ever even thought about. And then I spiraled for about a month, and I don’t spiral.
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I just don’t spiral about every anything. I just I’m pretty cool with anything that, you know, comes along. And then people started reading the book, and then I got this varied response that was always visceral. It was never like, I really liked your book a lot. I thought it was well written and all that. Somebody would go, fuck. Yeah. And that’s nice.
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That means you nailed it.
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I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know. But I do know that the responses are good.
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Well, that’s what’s important. Yeah. It’s working. It it it had a desired effect. You got out your thoughts. You got out your experiences.
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But that editing profit the editing process is a good process because you you refine and you clarify and you simplify and
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Yeah.
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That’s cool.
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You get to look at it with fresh eyes.
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With fresh eyes. Yeah. You know? It’s the arm bar. You could just grab an arm and then try to bend it as how much as you can, or you can fucking figure out how to get in there every time. Did you And tap the guy out.
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Did you always know that you’re gonna do this? You’re gonna write this book?
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No. I’ve written 2 or 3 books and put them in the corner, in a dark corner, and let them accumulate dust. You know? I’ve never I never thought I would do it publicly because I was always into that thing of, like, oh, you’re an actor and, like, get over it. You wanna Right. You wanna be a writer. You wanna be a writer. You wanna be a musician.
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Every actor wants
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to be a rock star. Yeah. Exactly.
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And I was like, no. And then this lady read this book, this lit agent. She said I said it the 3rd time, and she said, you need to fucking stop saying referencing yourself as an actor who’s a writer. You’re a fucking writer and a really good writer. Just write. And she was tough on me.
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So you feel like you have, like, almost like a disclaimer? Like, I’m a
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I’m an actor.
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Like, that’s what you’re doing, giving yourself, like, an escape?
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I did because there was something about that profession anyway that I always looked at, and I was like, why am I why do I do this? This is dumb. You know what I mean? And what like, where’s the self importance come from? Like, what happened to the wagon that just went down and, like, people tried to shoot you?
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Doesn’t the self importance just come from attention? You get extraordinary amounts of attention, then people develop self importance because of that because I think they deserve that attention.
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Because it’s it’s a false thing. Yeah. And then you start seeing people manifest it, like, excuse me. I said hot coffee. I didn’t say warm coffee. I said, you know, and you go, I don’t I don’t understand the mentality.
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That’s the gross.
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For me, it’s probably another attempt, which I think I’ve manifested in a bunch of different ways of right sizing, and and there’s nothing like that will rightsize you like a fucking book. Mhmm. Puts you right back into why are you doing what you were doing? Where do you come from? How do you feel about your kids? Where’s your sensitivity?
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Where’s your where are things that have become concrete that you need to break in order to feel again? You know? Where are you limiting yourself? And I don’t like the the idea of limiting myself. Like, what I love to did I love drinking? When I fuck. Yeah.
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I had so much fun, dude, and so did a lot of other people. But I go, this is now limiting. Well, don’t you wanna go out and take a drink? I go, fuck no. When when you’re out with a bunch of people having fun, no, because I’m having fun.
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Right. You don’t need to drink to have fun, but there’s a thing when you’re drinking a lot and having fun, you think this the reason why
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I’m having fun. This is the reason why
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I’m having fun. Yeah.
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It’s a trap. That’s
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the trap.
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Yeah. That’s the trap. Well, you
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know, you can have a drink or 2 and really enjoy yourself or you could think that the only reason why you’re enjoying yourself is is because you’re having a drink or 2.
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And that’s usually why you have more drinks because you say, this is the reason people are liking me right now. This is the reason people think I’m funny.
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And you keep chasing that dragon.
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Imagine if you went on stage, and every time you went on stage, you had to have at least 6 drinks because you go, this is what they want. Yeah. And then you wake up in the morning, and your kid goes and wakes you up, and you’re like,
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fuck.
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Yeah. You know? And you go, oh, that’s not worth it.
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What’s the fucking dude’s name from Knight Rider? You know what I’m talking about?
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Oh, David Ross Hall.
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Yeah. Damn. You ever see that video? Of course I did. The kids
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The burger video.
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Yeah. Yeah. It’s the saddest fucking thing ever.
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Yeah. It didn’t look like a good burger.
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Well, he’s just hammered, and his kid filmed it. It’s awful. Oh, it’s so awful.
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It’s so cringey.
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Yeah. That’s what everybody’s afraid of. Yeah. Becoming that pathetic example
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to children. And you wonder how much that exists and the video is not going. That that that daughter videoed that. Right. Like, I want you to see what this looks like.
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Right.
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And supposedly, that kind of threw him into sobriety or whatever. I don’t know if he’s sober or not. Did he?
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If did he I don’t know. I will hope he is. If anything would throw you into sobriety, your children filming you
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That’s it.
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The lowest moment possible would do it for you. Yeah.
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I didn’t wanna be filmed, so I stopped early.
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He got off
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I did get the frame. Time. The last time
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Yeah?
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I drank yeah. It was super lame. I was at a at what do you call it? A Del Taco and I tapped the cab in front of me accidentally when I was moving forward, And he got out and, like, created a thing, and somebody filmed it from the back of the cab.
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Oh, wow.
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Yeah. And I looked stupid. You can’t fucking you can’t fucking drive. You know how to fucking drive. You’re like, oh, dear. Shh. Quiet.
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Don’t speak. No.
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Don’t speak.
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There’s nothing worse than being sober and seeing something when you
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drop something.
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Oh, no. I’m so gross.
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Because your perception of it while you were go you were like, no, man. This is an honorable moment. There. You’re saying I did something that I didn’t do. Right. And we need to hash this out. When the when the when the when the reality is is you’re just kind of regurgitating bullshit.
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Yeah. Also, you know how to, like, affect people with your words. Yeah. Or you know how to express yourself in a dramatic way. You think you’re gonna fucking get through this on top. I’m an
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actor, motherfucker. Yeah, motherfucker. Watch this. I’m going Shakespeare on you.
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You know my favorite movie of yours is? What? No Country for Old Men. Why? Because it’s so fucked up.
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Because it’s so fucked up.
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Such a fucked up movie. It’s a and even the end the end when it ends, you’re like, what happened? Yeah. That’s the end?
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Yeah.
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It’s like that guy what’s his name Javier?
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What’s his name?
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Goddamn. That guy was a good psycho.
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He was so good.
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Goddamn. That movie was so it was just so unusual and intense.
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And there was no feeling and people ask this all the time. There was no feeling that it was a special movie.
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Really?
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Yep. I told you I went back to Marfa, Texas for the first time in 18 years with Stapleton, and the guy running the bank is the first guy that Javier kills in the movie. This is the guy running the bank right now, Chip. Wow. And I talked to Chip. I have a picture of me and Chip.
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And I talked to Chip, and I said I said, fuck. You’re the first guy. You know? Did you think that and he said, no. That was a friend of a friend who said that they were auditioning people, and the reason I did it is because I figured nobody would ever see it.
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It seemed like a small no. That’s the proprietor. It’s the first guy that Javier killed outside. That was a good scene, though. The What
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does that
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dude like in
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person, Javier?
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The best. The sweetest human being.
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One of
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my best friends.
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Crazy. Yeah. That that’s inside of him, that he can
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Well, that’s the thing.
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That’s what’s That’s
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what makes him an artist.
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Yes. Yes.
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Because he’s one of these guys that literally he was so depressed during that thing.
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Really? Oh my god, dude. Because he didn’t like doing it?
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No. He’s like, look at my hair. What the fuck? You know what I mean?
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That’s a depressive
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His look at it. Look at him.
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Oh my god. He played I
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mean, he’s genius.
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A good psychopath.
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He wore SPF 100. He had an umbrella all the time to keep the sun off him. You see how pale he looks? Yeah. But, yeah, that’s the guy. The guy to the left, that’s Chip. Can you stand there for a second, please?
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So he was really depressed because of his hair?
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Yeah. And me and Woody would take him out. We would take him out to the cowgirl what was it called? Cowgirl Cafe, and and we would have drinks with him. We would make him because he would stay in his apartment with the, like, the drapes drawn and all this kind of shit. He just didn’t wanna go out.
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He said, I don’t like I don’t like violence. I don’t drive. I don’t know why they hired me. Why the fuck did they hire me? Like, why am I here?
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Well, how did he pull that
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out though? And I’m from Spain. Like, this guy’s not from Spain. I remember when we worked, we’ve sat in a trailer and he said in that that proprietor scene, he’s has this great line. He goes, call it. Takes the coin and goes like that. He says, call it. The guy says, I don’t wanna call it. He says, you have to call it.
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02:20:58
It’s destiny calling for you. And it and we were in his trailer and Javier says, how do you say it? And I said, call it. And Javier kept saying, call it. And I said, no, dude. Call.
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Can you
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hear it? I’ll play.
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For a hold.
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I’ll put the have on
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the What’s what’s the most you ever lost in a coin toss? Sir? The most you ever lost in a coin toss? I don’t know. I couldn’t say. Call it? Call it. Yes. For what? Just call it.
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Well, we need to know what we’re calling it for here.
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You need to call it. I can’t call it for you. It wouldn’t be fair. I didn’t put nothing up. Yes. You did. You’ve been putting it up your whole life. You just didn’t know it. You know what date is on this coin? No. 1958.
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It’s been traveling 22 years to get here, and now it’s here. And it’s either heads or tails. And you have to say, call it.
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Look. I need to know what I stand to win. Everything? How’s that?
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You stand to win everything, call it. Alright. Heads then. Well done. Don’t put it in your pocket, sir. Don’t put it in your pocket. It’s your lucky quarter. Where do you want me to put it? Anywhere. Not in your pocket. Put it all mixed in with the others and become majestically. Which it is.
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I mean, if you look at that from a different perspective, you say that scene could have been the worst scene ever. It’s because of the simplicity of the scene. It just
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What’s the consequences? It’s the buzz. In the air.
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It just hangs.
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You know that this guy has some sort of weird morals. It’s so good, man. Yeah. He’s got some code that he lives by, and he’s about to impose this code on this guy. And it’s no problem putting that bolt through his brain.
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No problem. And the guy knows it, and he doesn’t even know why
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Why he knows it?
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It’s just Right.
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He just knows it.
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Yeah. And you sit there and you just kinda
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fucking scene.
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It’s a great scene, man.
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Yeah. How did you not know that movie was great while you were doing it?
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Because it was so we were just
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The Coen Brothers are fucking amazing.
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They’re amazing, but you were just having they had done 2 movies that were sort of bigger than what they normally do. 1 was with Clooney and one was with Tom Hanks and it didn’t work.
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Oh, Brother Horatio?
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No. That fucking Oh, Brother Horatio. I love that movie. Amazing. Yeah. It’s amazing.
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What was your
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was Was Ladykillers and what was the one with Clermont? Well, there you go. Yeah. But they yeah. So I think they just went back to this simple, like, burnout no. Burnafter reading was after No Country, which was also really good. Super good. But, yeah, they just kinda went back to this very kind of feral, you know, base place and just said, let’s just tell this simple story and let’s let it happen.
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Let’s maybe I don’t know. I don’t think they’re like
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this, but not maybe why you were doing it, though, because It
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just didn’t have that vibe. Scenes. It didn’t have that vibe. It was so simple. Wild. It was so simple. And and into the wild though. Into the what? Dude, when I saw I saw it with my kid, which was probably super irresponsible.
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How old was your kid? He
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was 16. He was like, that’s on the
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That’s okay.
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That’s on the, you know, the cusp. But I saw it with him in an editing room on a big screen, and we left. And we got in the car, and we didn’t talk for 15 minutes, and that’s never happened. Wow. Like, literally, not one word. Wow. And then I said, what do you think? And he goes, fuck. Which is a great response. Movie.
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That’s the
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That that is that movie. That movie is fun.
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You wanna tie it together too in the end and, like, a typical Hollywood ending and Javier and my character go head to head at the end and and that doesn’t happen, so you do some which is how it was written in the book, Cormac. And I got to know Cormac really well. You know, I was with Cormac the night before he died.
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And
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Oh, no kidding. Wow. Yeah.
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So and I asked That
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guy could fucking write.
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Fuck, dude. Some of the greatest writing.
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I’ve heard some of
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the writing writing ever Yeah. In the history of
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Yeah, man. This country. There’s something about his writing. It’s like, Jesus Christ.
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That’s another one of those guys, artists where you go I would I would ask him about his writing. He didn’t wanna talk about it ever. And then finally he got mad at me one day, and he was like, I I don’t fucking know, man. I just sit down with the typewriter, and it comes. Like, what do you want me to tell you? Wow. I was like, alright, man. Fucking 87 years old. Relax. But he could write.
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I mean, he had some he was tapped into and talk about a guy who just like you were like the muse, and do you have a special place, and do you have this thing that
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no. Just sits down and writes?
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The bed that he was on, it was me, his ex wife, his son, and Cormac that last night. Wow. Always at the edge of his bed was that typewriter that he used for 25, 30 years to write all those novels. And then he had one before that that was exactly the same, but that typewriter was on a old piece of wood at the foot of his bed. Wow.
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And even at the end, he would just grab that thing and Wow. Get it out. It’s cool.
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Yeah. There’s rare humans like that that have that thing.
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Yeah. Yeah. They just tap in
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And they tap into it, and they just keep going. They get on that path, and they just keep going. It just keeps getting better. Just get better at it.
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We’ve talked about a series of very special people. You know? What makes the what’s the difference of what makes somebody that special, that iconic? Are they crazy? Are they
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talented? Different.
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They’re different. Yeah.
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I mean, it’s a resistance to the norm. It’s it’s acceptance of reality. It’s a poetic understanding of our place in the universe. There’s so many different things that are all sort of coalescing into this
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But they see they see through a different lens, though. They’re just made of a they’re made up of a different
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Well, that’s probably why you
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didn’t wanna talk about it.
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He didn’t wanna fuck it up.
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He didn’t wanna fuck it up. Yeah. He didn’t wanna mitigate. He didn’t wanna Yeah. Wanna lessen it. He didn’t wanna what’s the word? Make it make it pedestrian.
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Yes.
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You know what I mean?
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Yes. He didn’t wanna try. You know, sometimes magic is just magic. You don’t wanna, like, figure out what’s how it’s happening.
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Yeah.
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Just know that you can do it and just keep doing it.
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Exactly. You
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know, just be be a craftsman. Be a person who’s, like, dedicated to this thing.
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Yeah. You know?
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Yep. He has to know he had to know it was really good. I mean, enough people told him it was really good.
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Yeah. But if you have even a guy like that who wrote the first up until All the Pretty Horses, none of his books sold.
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That’s pretty crazy.
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Like, a 1000 people bought it. 1500 people bought it. And then it was made into a movie. And then and then you go back and you’re like, all these banned books that we know back in the day, 1984, George Orwell. Mhmm. You know, Henry Miller, all these fucking people. You know, people are like, ew.
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And then how many you know, Van Gogh painting a painting and all those paintings being outside getting rained on, and now they’re selling for a $100,000,000.
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Yeah. All after he’s dead.
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All after he’s dead. Yeah. He never knew. He sold one painting in his lifetime, so he never got to, not even a little bit, experience what look at what you did. Right. Wow, man.
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