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#2221 – JD Vance Podcast Episode Description
JD Vance is currently the 2024 Vice Presidential Candidate of the Republican Party. He is also an author and Marine veteran who has served since 2023 as the junior United States senator from Ohio.
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#2221 – JD Vance Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan podcast, the discussion covers a range of topics, primarily focusing on political and social issues in the United States. A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the influence of corporate lobbying, particularly in relation to immigration and labor. The speaker highlights the presence of a strong corporate lobby advocating for cheap labor, which impacts immigration policies and practices.
The episode also touches on the political landscape, discussing the dynamics within the Republican Party under Donald Trump’s influence. The speaker notes a shift from a traditionally pro-corporate stance to a more scrutinized view of whether corporate interests align with American interests. This includes skepticism towards Big Tech companies like Google and Apple.
Another key topic is the media’s role in shaping public perception. The speaker criticizes the media’s disproportionate coverage of certain events, such as a comedian’s joke at a Trump rally, compared to significant statements made by political figures like Joe Biden. This highlights concerns about media bias and the need for more balanced reporting.
The episode also delves into the importance of investigative journalism and the need for philanthropic support to empower reporters to conduct in-depth investigations. The speaker suggests that setting up a nonprofit organization to fund investigative journalism could be beneficial.
Actionable insights include the encouragement for listeners to participate in voting and engage in political discourse. The speaker emphasizes the importance of balancing life and autonomy in political debates, suggesting that these issues should be resolved through state-level discussions.
Overall, the episode underscores themes of political polarization, media influence, and the need for critical engagement with societal issues.
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#2221 – JD Vance Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe
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Rogan experience. Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. How’s it going? Alright. How are you, sir?
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Good, man. How are you doing?
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Very nice to meet you. Yeah.
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Nice to meet you too.
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What is it like, running for vice president of the United States? How how crazy is this experience?
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It’s pretty weird. It’s pretty weird. You know, I I was just telling you heard this earlier, but the first time that I’ve been in a public spot without Secret Service in the room is right now. So I’m, like, looking around for
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these ai. How long have you
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been having them. It’s 3 months. Right? So he he asked me the Monday of the RNC convention, which I think was June 15th, and I really didn’t know that morning. I thought that he was probably gonna pick me, but I didn’t know for sure. Probably 60:40, basically,
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and
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so I had no idea. I get the call around 1 o’clock at Milwaukee time at the RNC convention. I’m hanging out with my kid. Another one of my kids is in the other room asleep because, you know, our kids are young, so they nap still. And, he makes this call, and he’s like, hey. Do you wanna be my vice president? I was like, oh.
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Literally just like that?
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Well, actually, what what happened is I get a text message from a staff member on his team that says you just missed a very important phone call. And I don’t know, you know, because there’s so much inbound traffic that I think it just went straight to voice mail. So I call him back, and I’m like, hey, sir. What’s going on? He said, JD, you just missed a very important phone call.
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I’m gonna have speak somebody else
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now. You know? So I’m about to shoot
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a brick here, and then he says, no. Ai just kidding. Obviously, sana you to be my vice president. And the the funny thing is, you know, my 7 year old is in the background, and he has no idea what’s going on. And I love that. Right? It’s one of the good things about this. He has no clue what’s going on. He’s like, dad, who are you talking to? He’s talking about Pokemon cards. Right?
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And, I’ve you know, Trump hears my son in the background, and he says, well, who’s that? And I said, that’s my 7 year old sai. You and he’s like, put him on the phone. And I’m just anxious for him to get this statement out because in my mind, it’s not final until the statement is actually out.
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And he he he talks to my sana, and and he reads the statement that he is gonna put out on Truth Social announcing that I’m the VP nominee of the Republican Party. And he’s like, what do you think about that, Ewan? And my son, Ewan, is like, oh, it’s that that’s pretty good. That’s pretty good.
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And then he gives the phone back to me. He’s like, I have
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no idea what the hell is going on.
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He just he’s sai Yeah. He has no idea. And and, of course,
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I remember this story because in particular and the the Madison Square Garden rally of a few days ago was the first time that my son actually met Donald Trump. So he’d spoken to him on the phone but hadn’t actually met him until the rally at Meh. And my 7 year old really wanted to tell him a joke, and he remembers this phone conversation.
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And so he tells him this joke, and Trump kinda chuckles, but also is probably judging me because it was a somewhat inappropriate joke for a 7 year old to tell, but, yeah, here we are.
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Well, that’s the only ones that 7 year olds remember. That’s right. Well, it’s ai, you know, I have a
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I have terrible language, and it’s it’s one of my my many flaws, but I was raised by my very working class grandmother, and she was actually very interestingly, she was a very devout Christian, but she also had, you know, a language that would make a sailor blush. And so I talk like that because I was raised by this woman. Those are fun ladies. Those are fun ladies, man.
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She was a great she was, yeah, she was awesome. She had an amazing she’s an amazing person, a huge personality. Right? We called her a force of nature because she was such this this big personality, but my wife’s rule is, you know, basically, he’s only allowed to cuss when he’s telling this one joke.
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Sai Vatsal hilarious.
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Yeah.
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So he told this joke all the time. Exactly. He says it 14 times a day.
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Yeah. I early on, I told my kids, you can swear in front of us. I go, but don’t just don’t swear in front of other parents. Right. And don’t swear for no reason. Right.
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Well, because they judge you. Right? The other parents judge you. How old
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are your kids? Well, the the youngest ones are 14 and 16, and I have a 28 year old. But when my, 14 year old was 2, we were on a skiing trip. And, we we were about to leave. We packed up all our stuff, but her helmet we forgot to put her helmet away. I go, oh, we forgot to put the helmet away.
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And She just looks out the helmet, and she goes, shit. Well My wife is just like, oh my god. It was so funny. There’s just something adorable about a 2 year old doesn’t know that you’re not supposed to say shit
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and just and that cute little face. Well, I I mean, my my, my 4 year old, he was 3 at the time. We were going because, you know, we live in Cincinnati, but then I’m a senator, so we speak a lot of time in Washington. And I was taking my 4 year old solo. He was 3 at the time on this trip, and we’re on it, like, a Delta flight or in the back.
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I’m kinda wondering because, you know, I’ve got meh head, and I’m thinking to myself, do any of these people know that I’m a senator? Because I look like shit right now. And my sort of get away with it. I don’t think that anybody notices who I ai, and we’re sitting there. And my son drops one of those Biscoff cookies in between the the speak, and he looks at me and he says, dad, well, fuck.
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And, like, 12 people instantly turn around and look at me.
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It’s like, oh, senator Vance, your son has such colorful language. I’m like, oh my god. I’m such a terrible father, and
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these people were all
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judging me.
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Yeah. Ai But it’s you know? But you’re right. It’s so cute.
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It’s adorable.
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Yeah. It’s it’s so funny, but, yeah, I gotta do a
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little bit better about that because they’re gonna start judging me. People need to relax.
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They do. A little bad word every now and then. It’s good for you. I think it’s good for you. I Ai agree. It gets a little steam out.
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I agree. It’s good.
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Did was there any part of you that was, like, do I really want this job? Because it comes with so much. It comes with not having the Secret Service in the room. It comes with this enormous change of your life, this insane responsibility. You everybody’s watched presidents especially age radically.
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Yeah. Dramatically. Yeah. And everyone but Ram. Trump was just like
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kind of amazing. Yeah.
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The foot dude just didn’t age. It’s so strange. It’s like it barely affected him. Everybody else is ai like they’re getting radiation sickness. And he gets out of there. He looks exactly the same. I can’t wait to do it again. Let’s go. We’re gonna win big. He just ai
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it really is amazing. I mean, one of the first times that I I sort of spent, like, a large amount of time with Trump was in 20 21, and I was thinking about running for the sana. So I was down to Mar a Lago talking to him, and my initial reaction on seeing him was
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Like, oh my god. You look really good. You actually look healthier now than you did 6 years ago. Normally, presidents age very, very badly. You know? Yeah. I mean, look. I I I definitely thought okay. Obviously, this is a big it’s a big thing. Right? Am I you know, talked about it with my wife a lot because she’s like a shah was a working corporate litigator. She had a very big career.
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She’s much smarter than I ram. And we definitely it was a marital conversation, in some ways a tough one because, you know, even though, yeah, I’m a senator, we’re still pretty anonymous. Right? Like, we can go on vacation or we were, till this happened. We go on vacation. Yeah.
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You’d have people stop and ask to take a photo or say something, you know, ai. But most most people, if you went somewhere, didn’t know who you were. Right now, it’s it’s literally impossible for us to go anywhere.
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What’s that shift feel like? Like, you’re 40 years old. Right?
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So Yeah.
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I I mean Ai, right like, this just off a cliff, complete different life.
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Yeah. That’s right. That’s right. I mean, it’s it’s it’s been I mean, look. In some ways, it’s really nice because people come up and say really nice things to you. They tell you they’re they’re they’re praying for your kids. They’re praying for your for your family.
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It’s also a way you go, doesn’t it?
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Like, if you go through Brooklyn Yeah. No. Of course. Yeah.
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Go through, like, the super woke blue haired parts of Brooklyn.
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You know, it’s interesting. When we were in New York for the MSG rally, a few people saw me and flashed the universal New York sign for we’re number 1. Right? So, you know, they they like us even in New York City. Yeah. But it it’s it’s definitely weird to just not be anonymous at all anymore. Right?
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And that’s taken some getting used to. I I think part of it is also let me just give you an example. So Sunday morning, we wanna go for this is the this is the event, Madison Square Garden. We had the morning where I didn’t really have anything going on. I had a couple phone calls. So we wanna go for a walk with the kids in Central Park.
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And, normally, you would walk out of your hotel and walk into Central Park and hang out with your family. Now it requires we have to notify Secret Service. And so then they have to scope out an area where they can make sure that it’s gonna be properly safe. And so instead of walking out our hotel room and taking a walk in Central Park, we hop in a car and show up in some random part of Central Park that’s 20 blocks away.
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And then, of course, as soon as we get out, everybody’s like, well, who the hell is this? Because there are 14 car motorcade there. So the lack of anonymity is definitely an annoyance that comes along with it, but Ai I mean, I I I’m the kind of person where you just take the good with the bad.
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There are a lot of benefits to it. There are some downsides to it. It’s what I ask for. I try not to think too much about it or complain too much about it. I just try to accept it.
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I think, obviously, if we win, which, you know, 6 days from now, I think we are gonna win. I think we’ll have to sort of get into more of a routine with it. My attitude thus far has been, well, it’s only for a few months, so you can do anything for a few months.
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Is the adjustment, is it, like, is it difficult? Was it pretty easy to just accept it? Like, this is how life is now? Well, it’s you just you have to
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accept it, but it’s not easy. Right? I mean, in in particular for our kids. Right? Like, okay. I really like to drive, and 99% of the time before as in the car as a family, I’m driving. My wife’s in the passenger seat just because I like to drive. And I I think for our kids getting used to, oh, we’re not going into our car.
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We’re going into this black Sai, and daddy’s not driving.
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Right. There’s some other person there that I don’t know. Right. Yeah.
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Or, you know, like, one of the first things that happened, we’re back at our house in Cincinnati the the weekend after the RNC convention, and we’re sitting there watching, like, some stupid shah, Emily in Paris, on Netflix or something, which sorry. I don’t mean to call it a stupid show. I actually think Emily in Paris is a masterpiece, but set that to the ai. Bracket that one for now.
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But we’re watching some show on Netflix, and, you know, you just you see one guy walk past your your window, and you see another guy walk past your window. And it’s just a secret service agent patrolling just little things like that. So Yeah. You know, it just you recognize that your zone of privacy is very narrow and that takes some adjusting and getting used to.
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And, you know, there are all of these these small little adjustments, but ai and large, honestly, like, I love our secret service detail. Our kids are really into them. They sort of see them as their their police protectors. Our 7 year old, it’s funny. You know, he’s in 2nd bryden.
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And one of his buddies, their their parents came to us and said, do you know that the kids are playing this game in school called, called Bossman where basically one second grader will walk down the hallway or down the playground flanked by 2 separate saloni graders.
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Ai, they’re playing Secret Service now? Secret Service now. Oh,
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wow. School.
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So, like, on the
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one hand, that’s really bizarre, and I hope that it doesn’t permanently screw up the psychological development of my kid. On the other hand, it’s ai of funny, and you just go with the flow and you try to work with it.
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Yeah. I guess they’re just making fun with it. Yeah. Is, ai, did you have presidential aspirations before all this? Is this something that you had considered about the future? Was it, like, how did how did you approach this?
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Yeah. I mean, you it’s it’s one of these things when you’re elected to the sana and, you know, I’m a pretty young guy. Sai think it was I’m the 2nd youngest United States senator right now. You certainly think, like, is this something I might do in the future? What does this look like?
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What would you need to do in terms of getting your family in in the right middle space and just making it happen, but it’s all very abstract. Right? It’s it’s not all that different from, you know, 10 years ago thinking about starting a business that I never started. Right?
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It’s just things you think about, but you never really think that hard about. Right? And that’s kinda that was kinda my attitude towards it. I I started to realize that Trump was thinking pretty seriously about making me his VP nominee probably earlier this year because he would ask me a lot about who I thought the VP nominee should be.
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Oh, boy. And Ai, you know, I’d give him yes. Exactly. And I’d give him and I’d give him names of people that I thought would be pretty good at it, and a lot of the names that I gave him, he would he would sai. And I almost felt like he was inviting me to throw myself out there, but that Ai mean, it’s funny.
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The morning that he was shot in in, Butler, PA was the first time that he and I ever talked about it. So that was a Saturday just think thinking about it. I guess it was probably June 13th because I think the convention started June 15th. I go down to Mar a Lago that morning, Saturday morning, and I’m talking to him for the ai time because immediately asked ai.
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I was, like, one of the rumored shortlist candidates. I kept on getting these questions from reporters. Have you ever been have you ever had this conversation with Trump? And the honest answer was no. Well, Saturday morning that changed because ai go down there, and he’s like, what do you, you know, what do you think?
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Ai why why should I choose you? Why should I not choose these other guys? Like, we just had a conversation
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with running.
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You know, I don’t really know, actually. I I really don’t know.
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Come on, man.
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I look. I I I I I I think I think that there were a couple of senators that were being considered, a couple of governors, a couple of former cabinet secretaries, but you don’t really know because when Donald Trump sat me down, I mean, he talked about 10 different people that he was thinking about naming, and this was 2 days before he made the selection.
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So he’s playing, like, a little, like, let’s see how JD thinks game.
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Yeah. I think so. And, you know, he he told me that the he was talking to the Arya at Mar a Lago about who the who the vice presidential nominee should be. And that’s one of I think Trump’s sort of political geniuses is he talks to everybody about everything. And I was like, well, what the what the Gardner at Marlargo have to say about this conversation? Because this really directly impacts my life.
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And, you know, he he basically said, well, I think I’m gonna probably gonna pick you, but I don’t know, and I’m not ready to make a decision. And then he looks at one of the staff members who’s in the room. He’s like, actually, wouldn’t it really set the world ablaze if we just made the decision today?
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And so why don’t you come up with me and we’ll just do the announcement in Butler, Pennsylvania? Woah. And and I said and and, of course, not knowing at the time what was gonna happen, I was like, absolutely. Let’s get this over with because I’m sick of not knowing. Let’s just get this thing over with. And then he’s like, like, ai.
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I’m not gonna I’m not gonna do it up there. We need to prepare for it better. Sai, look, I’m not saying it’s gonna be you, but I’m thinking very seriously about it. Have fun. We’ll see after Tyler, Speak.
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And then, of course, I go back to home to Ohio.
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Oh, boy.
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He gets shot. You You know, the initial reaction is I actually thought they had killed him because when you first see the video, he grabs his ear and then he goes down. And I’m like, oh my god. They just killed him. And I was so I mean, first, I was so pissed, but then I go into, like, fight or flight mode with my kids.
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I’m like, you know, our kids, you know, we were at a we were at a mini golf place in Cincinnati, Ohio. I ram my kids up, throw them in the car, go home and load all my guns, and basically stand like a sentry
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in our front door.
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Holy shit. That was my that was sort of my reaction to it. Anyway, I really didn’t know it was gonna happen until Monday morning. I didn’t know who else was being selected. I think it was all the names that people sort of see out there. Right? All good guys. Like, nobody I have any any personal animosity towards. But, obviously, you know, here we are.
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How much did you study the story of the the assassin, the attempted assassin? How much have you paid attention to it?
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You know what, crooks or crooks or whatever
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the guy’s
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name is in Pennsylvania? I mean, I I’ve read a fair amount about it, and it’s pretty bizarre. It’s very bizarre. It’s bizarre. They haven’t been able to get into his phone.
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Well, they got they got into his phone. Didn’t they?
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Have they? I I I thought they’ve
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I thought they said they did. Maybe you know better than me.
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Well, maybe they got into his phone, but they couldn’t access his encrypted messages or something. I I I thought there was some deal where they they haven’t really gotten his communication yet.
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Yeah. I maybe haven’t read it
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as closely as you have, so don’t take that as gospel truth.
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Probably, you have access to more information, but maybe you can’t talk about it.
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No. Trust trust me. There there’s nothing about this that I have access to information I can’t talk about.
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Well, there was a lot of weird stuff to it. One of them is that his, where he lived was professionally scrubbed. So he got there, there was no silverware. There’s no silverware. That’s what he’s scrubbed. Ai? Yeah. There’s nothing. There’s no Yeah. No DNA, no hard drives, no nothing.
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So then And how do you get that close? I mean Yeah. Do, you know, do you shoot guns? Yeah. Okay. So I’m a pretty good shot. I served in the ring corps for 4 years. An Arya 15 from a 140 yards away is a pot shot.
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Even without a scope. He didn’t have a scope. Right?
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I don’t believe he had a scope.
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But even without a scope?
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Without a scope. Ai shot an air I’ve shot an m 16 many times in an AR 15 without a scope. There is no it is shocking that he’s alive. Yeah. It really it really is. I I mean, I you know, I’m I’m a person of faith, but I I think it’s a genuine miracle that that guy didn’t kill him.
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But how did he get so close? There’s a lot of really big questions
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shah he’s asking. Walking around the area with a rangefinder before the event.
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And people were yelling and saying, this is the gun.
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This is
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on the roof. Yeah. You know, there was that crazy I think it was a BBC report or somebody with an English accent who did the report on the ground with the guy. You know, he’s he’s, like, got a MAGA hat on and a Bud Light. He’s, you know, probably not a Bud Light. He’s got some beer, and he’s talking to this guy who saw crooks get on the roof, and he’s yelling at him. It’s an amazing clip.
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He’s yelling at him like, hey. He’s yelling at police officers saying, hey. This guy’s on the roof. Go and get him. And nobody responded to it, and it’s the whole thing is very fishy to me, and I hope that we win and then get to the bottom of it because I think somebody clearly screwed up.
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Not it doesn’t seem like just screwed up. Like, the the excuse that the lady from the Secret Service had that they couldn’t put snipers on the roof because the roof was sloped, like, all of it is bananas. No.
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That’s that’s ridiculous. That’s ridiculous.
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And the the miracle is Trump turns his head at the last second. That’s right. The very last second, he turns his head to look at the chart, and the bullet just grazes his ear.
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That’s right.
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He’s got a people keep there’s this stupid conspiracy out there. He’s got a mark on his ear. I saw it. He has a mark on his ear, and people are like, why isn’t there a hole in his ear? Because it’s just the edge of the skin got hit.
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That’s right.
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That’s all it was.
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That’s right.
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He it’s the luckiest of luckiest shots ever for him. Unfortunately, not for the people that are behind ai. It’s crazy. People got shot. And for anybody who thinks that that was staged, you don’t understand shooting. There’s no way you can graze someone’s ear from a 120 or Absolutely not.
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Hit them center mass.
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It’s crazy.
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You’re not gonna be able to graze their ear. You could kill them easily accidentally if you were faking something like that.
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Well, we’ve all seen the graphics, right, of
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Yeah.
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Him turning his head. And if he hadn’t turned his head, that it would’ve went right through his brain.
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And there was another one that went to the left side of him.
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Right? That barely that barely missed him. Yeah. That barely missed him.
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And then instantly, that guy’s dead, and then they take a hold of his body. He’s cremated 10 days later. There’s no press conference. There’s no toxicology report. No. And No one talks about it on the news. Right.
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And when there’s a school shooter, we usually have the person’s manifesto out there Yes. A day or 2 later. Yeah. We know nothing about the motive here, which I think is the craziest thing. You know, I’m I’m obviously, he’s motivated because he hates Donald Trump, but you don’t know anything about the secondary motive. Meh, it is weird. It is weird.
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Ai we don’t get a manifesto is when they’re trans. When they’re trans, they hide those manifestos.
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The the that the Nashville shooter, man, that was crazy.
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Have you read any of it?
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I’ve read some of it. It’s pretty wild. It’s pretty wild. Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, that guy sai bad for the cause.
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That’s right.
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Ai to ai it. But, no, the Nashville shooter, I mean, just while we’re on the topic, went in and murdered a bunch of children at a Christian school because he or she, like, whatever, was motivated by some very radical trans ideology. Yes. And that is something we should talk more about as a country.
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100%. And they didn’t if if there’s any other ideology that led someone to mass murder, you would examine that ideology very carefully. It was some sort of radical religion. People would be, like, very concerned about that radical religion.
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That’s right.
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And it is. It’s radical religion of war.
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What it is.
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It’s this weird idea that you are so virtuous and so correct. You’re allowed to commit violence against these other people because they’re the oppressors even though they’re children.
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Well, you know these these signs that are in super woke neighborhoods. I’m sure there’s plenty of them in Austin. Like, in this house, we believe science is real. No person is you know what I’m talking about? Okay. So I don’t know your religious background, but, like, I’m a I’m a convert to Catholicism.
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It’s like was raised Christian, became an atheist, came back to Christianity, got baptized Catholic, like, 5 or 6 years ago. And what is so interesting about this in this house we believe is it’s so similar to the creed that you declare every day at a Catholic mass. Right? We believe in one lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God, and there’s almost a similar cadence
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Mhmm.
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Between the the Christian creed
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Yes.
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And what these these guys are doing with this hyper woke stuff. And then there’s the rallies and then there’s, of course, the various rituals and it absolutely is a religious faith. There was this really interesting post that was, you know, I forget exactly who wrote it, but the title was gay rights as what was it?
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It was ai gay rights as religious rights, but the second rights was r I t e s. And it was a guy who was, like, a pro gay rights guy, but sort of made the observation that when you get into the really radical trans stuff, you actually start to notice the similarities between a practiced religious faith and what these guys are doing.
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Yeah.
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And it’s it’s very interesting. I I actually met earlier with a friend who lives in Austin who’s like a, you know, kind of a gay Reagan Democrat. And Woah. He’s he’s he’s a very, very interesting guy. He’s he’s he’s a fascinating guy. He’s one of the smartest political philosophers, I think.
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How do you be a gay Reagan Democrat?
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Sai you know, I I don’t know. It’s just kind of How’s
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he’s he’s sai Reagan Democrat?
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Like, is
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that right?
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I mean, he’s he’s basically, like, now what you would call a Trump Republican, but he’s a political philosopher, and he writes about economics. Right? That’s sort of how I got connected to him. I had no idea he was gay when I first met him, but, you know, he I’ll I’ll never forget.
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He sent me something, like, 6 or so years ago, and it was Elizabeth Warren when she was running for president. And she was like, we stand for all ai two spirit and all of the all of the, like, the LGBTIA plus.
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Right.
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She was talking about all the plus, and she’s gratifying it. And he sent me this this text message with this Elizabeth Warren tweet, and he’s like, I don’t know what the hell 2 spirit is. We just wanted to be left the hell alone. And Ai I think that, frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if me and Trump won just the normal gay guy vote.
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Oh, sure. Again, they just wanted to be left the hell alone, and now you have all this crazy stuff on top of it that they’re like, no. No. No. We didn’t we wouldn’t we didn’t wanna give pharmaceutical products to 9 year olds who are transitioning their genders. We just wanted to be left the hell alone.
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Well, a lot of gay guys feel like the whole movement is homophobic, which is ironic because they think there’s they think that there’s people think there’s something wrong with being gay, so what you really are is a girl. Yes. And they think that a lot of this is being given these thoughts are being given to gay kids.
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These kids would just grow up to be gay meh, and instead, you’re getting them to convert their gender.
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It’s pharmaceutical conversion therapy. Right?
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And it’s profitable, which is terrifying. It’s terrifying once corporations once pharmaceutical corporations have, they they have a pattern and a history of profiting off of things. They wanna keep profiting off of it. They don’t wanna just stop. And so right now, this has become a profitable venture that scaled.
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If you could look back from, like, 2007 to 2024, there’s way more of these, air quotes, gender affirming care centers Yes. And they’re profitable. Well
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and this used to be something that the old left. Right? The criticism that was made of American health care, which I always thought made some sense as a conservative guy, is that when you have the profit motive influencing government policy around health care, then, yeah, okay.
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Sometimes the profit motive can be a good thing. Like, we’re gonna develop ai saving cancer drugs. We want that to happen. Right? And I’m fine with people making a big profit for that.
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But then sometimes they’ll try to manipulate government policy to make their own drugs more profitable, not because it’s good for health, but because these people just naturally, like most people, wanna make some money. Yeah. And that conversation has totally disappeared. Like, I got into a big argument and, you know, this person, you can read about The New York Times, later disavowed our friendship and leaked our text messages to The New York Ai.
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But the breaking point was I came out against this gender transition for minors when I was running for the Sana a few years ago. And she’s a transgender individual, and she kind of flipped out on meh. And I I I the thing that I never understood because she’s, like, very much an old school leftist is, are you not at all a little bit worried about how rich people are getting by prescribing experimental therapeutics to 9, 10, 12 year old kids.
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Like, this used to be something that the American left would have gone crazy about. And now the the only people who are raising concerns about it are conservative Republicans, but we should be concerned when because it’s not just ai the lobbying and the influence. I mean, there there’s something called the ai statistical manual.
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It’s sort of the the manual of psychiatric disorders, and I think that we’re on the DSM 5 as it’s called, which is the 5th edition of this manual. You have drug companies that are making money that are lobbying to have, you know, child dysphoria put into our psychiatric manuals because then psychiatrists will treat that condition, and then those pharmaceutical companies will get rich from it.
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Somebody should be interrogating whether the political incentives of our country actually align with the financial incentives of the pharmaceutical industry? Because oftentimes, the answer is gonna be no, but nobody’s asking that question.
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Well, we’ve always known that children are very easily influenced sana that children shouldn’t be allowed to make life changing decisions when they’re very young. That’s why they can’t get tattooed. Absolutely. We’ve always done that. And then all of a sudden because of gender, that’s abandoned.
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That’s right.
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We’ve completely changed the way we think that children, oh, they just know. I’ve had mind numbing conversations with people who believe that, and it all falls apart if you just keep asking questions. That’s right. Ai just ask them to define how could you know this? What about the development of the frontal lobe?
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What about this understanding that children have never been able to make life changing decisions? Correct. You don’t allow them to drink alcohol. You don’t allow them to get tattooed. They can’t join the military when they’re 10. Like, there’s a you can’t there’s a lot of shit you can’t do when you’re a little kid. Yeah.
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We Why are you letting them just change their gender? What does this even mean?
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That’s right.
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And then The New York Times thing that comes out where it shows that they had a whole study about these puberty blockers that showed that they do not help the children’s mental health Yes. And that they probably have a lot of horrific side effects.
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Exactly.
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And so they ai not to release this study.
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To publish that. Right? Which is crazy. The corruption of science is that we’re actually not publishing studies that suggest that gender transition craziness has reached to the boiling boiling point. I mean, you know, you have you have had you have you have kids. I have a 4 year old and 2 year old.
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Every single day, my 4 year old or 2 year old will come to me and say something that is batshit insane because they’re 42. Yeah. Like, my 4 year old will come and say, daddy, I’m a dinosaur. Right? I’m gonna take him to, like, the dinosaur transition clinic and put scales on him
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and Well, the other thing is, look, if you were encouraging them, and some parents it’s just the I’m just gonna say it even though it sounds gross. They want their kid to be a part of the LGBTQ thing because it looks like a flag of virtue that they can post in their front long.
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Oh, look, we have a queer ai. Like Mhmm. Oh, you’re amazing. There’s a weird thing about it with some of these nutty parents where you could imagine them incur there there has to be some reason why this enormous percentage of Hollywood kids are trans. Like, how many celebrities have trans kids? It’s new. It’s not a thing that was going on.
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Just a few it was rare in
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the past. It becomes a social signifier for a lot of parents, and we have to be honest about that fact. And if you look at, you know, look at where the gender craziness is the most common, it’s most common among upper middle class to lower middle class white progressives. A 100%.
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Now you could believe, okay, that there’s just, like, something genetic going on in the mind of a wealthy white progressive, or you could believe that this is a cultural trend that we should be questioning a lot more than we are right now. And, unfortunately, I mean, here’s one thing that I really worry about is okay. Think about the incentives. People are very good at rationalizing things.
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If you are a, you know, middle class or upper middle class white parent and the only thing that you care about is whether your child goes into Harvard or Yale, like, obviously, that pathway has become a lot harder for a lot of upper middle class kids. But the one way that those people can participate in the DEI bureaucracy in this country is to be trans.
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And is there a dynamic that’s going on where if you become trans, that is the way to reject your white privilege. Right? That’s the social signifier. Yeah. The only one that’s available in the hyper woke mindset is if you become gender non binary.
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Non binary is the best one because you don’t even have to do anything. You just say I’m not I could say I’m non binary and, like, you don’t have to do anything, but all of a sudden you’re a part of the group. Yeah.
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Well, that’s right. And and and, again, I I think it’s important to sort of, you know, most people are not saying, oh, I’m white privileged. How do I become part of the privileged set? But it’s these weird ways in which these ideas creep into the mind to to the mainstream. Right.
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And people were very good at rationalizing these things. And so what Ai think 20, 30 years ago, even among very well-to-do white progressives, ai, an 11 year old sai, I ai 11 year old boy sai, I think that I’m a girl. Most of the time, we would have said, oh, that’s ridiculous and crazy and, you know, and come back to me in a couple of days.
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Now I think there is this massive incentive to try to say, oh meh god. Is does that mean that my kid is trans? And I also think it’s, to your point, very warping on the minds of young kids because what they’re now doing is taking normal adolescent curiosity and normal adolescent discomfort.
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Like, I don’t know a single person who went from the ages of 10 to 15 who didn’t say, oh, like, sometimes I had some, you know, weird ideas or I dressed weird for a couple of years or something. Right? It’s a confusing phrase for most Americans. We take that normal adolescent confusion confusion, and then we try to medicalize it.
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And nobody’s saying, oh, when we do medicalize it, by the way, a lot of pharmaceutical companies get very rich
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off of it. Not only very rich, but then the child is sterilized. Yes. Ai mean, this is for a lot of these kids. They’ll never be able to have children ever again. If they change their mind, if they one day decide, oh, I I was just going through a confusing time in my life, but now I’ve ruined my voice with hormones.
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My ovaries are destroyed. You know, I had my testicles removed. Like, the whole thing is crazy.
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So this is where I had the real breaking point with a friend that I mentioned earlier is she made this argument that puberty blockers are fully reversible.
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That’s crazy.
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And I’d actually never
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heard that.
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And this is a few years ago. I’d never heard that argument before, and so I actually went and looked at it and looked at the data on this. The idea that if you give puberty delaying, puberty blockers, whatever you’re gonna call them to kids who are 11, 12, 13, that that’s fully reversible, that is completely and preposterously insane.
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Now even the most radical advocates of trans health care do not say that. Right? Because, look, I mean, you have sexual dysfunction. You have, to your point, you know, hair in weird places that won’t go away. You have voice changes that won’t go away.
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We’re experimenting on tens of thousands of American children. We’re making them miserable. It’s not having any long term health benefit. It’s making a lot of pharmaceutical companies rich, and it’s conservative Republicans are the only ones saying, maybe this is a little crazy. Maybe we should stop.
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Well, it just shows you how a lot of this, you know, if you can call them mind virus or whatever it is, it it does make people behave religiously. Yes. So it’s like they’re ignoring all of these signs because it doesn’t line up with this ideology that they ai to.
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That’s right.
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Like, you you have to support trans kids. Like, okay, what are you even saying? How is this a new thing
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Mhmm.
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So pervasive? How is it everywhere? And how are you letting them compete with girls in school? This is this that one drives me bananas. When you have biological males, all they have to do is they don’t even have requirements in some schools. You don’t have to be taking hormones.
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You could just identify, and you can compete as a girl.
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And, of course, that causes injury to the young girls.
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Of course.
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And, again, this gives me faith in the wisdom of the American people because if you see how radically the Democrats leaned into this stuff 4 years ago Yeah. And how much, you know, Kamala Harris is running away from it today, most Americans, they don’t really care who you sleep with.
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They’re pretty open minded about most lifestyle choices. But when you talk about having a biological male compete with their teenage girl
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Right.
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In competitive sports, Americans are saying, no. No. No. No. This is crazy. You’re causing injury to my kids. We have to stop this.
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And not only that, it, like, ruins chances of getting scholarships. If you were the number one player and then all of a sudden some guy comes along who wears lipstick, now he’s the number one girl on the team. Like, what are you talking about?
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Meh. Yeah.
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There was a recent pool tournament in England. It’s a woman’s pool tournament, and in the semifinals, 2 guys are playing each other.
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Yeah. Well, it looks when when you see them in the actual, you know, swimming pool competing, it looks like the biological males are running at 1.5x ai, and everybody else is running at normal speed. Right? This is just clearly different. And to your point about it destroys opportunities for scholarships.
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I mean, go back to the original reason why we wanted girls sports, why we have title 9 in the United States of America to begin with. Like, we recognize the competitive sports. Like, what does it teach? Right? It teaches you how to participate on a team.
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It teaches you to recognize your own weaknesses and the strengths of your teammates and vice versa. Right? Like, I I’m I’m the father of a 2 year old daughter. I want my daughter to learn these important life skills. I don’t want her going into athletic competitions where I’m terrified she’s gonna get bludgeoned to death because we’re allowing a 6 foot one male to compete with her in sports where you should not have biological males competing with biological females.
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Not only that, but they get to change with them in the locker rooms. That’s where it gets like, there was one in Canada where a 50 year old man identified as a teenage girl. He was a professor. Do you know about this guy?
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I haven’t heard about this,
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so He was changing. He was in a swim meet with teenage girls. Yeah. And he’s changing in the same locker room as them. And then It’s crazy. The problem with that is people there’s there’s a psychological condition called autogynephilia, and autogynephilia is where men are sexually aroused by the idea of dressing and behaving like a woman, but they’re heterosexual.
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Now all of a sudden, these people with this known psychiatric disorder are allowed to just identify as a woman, and you’re a bigot if you don’t let them change the woman’s mind.
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And you’re expected to empower them Yeah. At the expense of young women who are very often much more vulnerable for obvious reasons than young men. And it reminds me of so the very first congressional delegation trip that I ever took was to Paris. I think it was to to Paris.
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And it’s part of the Paris Sai Shah, and Ohio has all these, you know, aviation interests. And, anyway, long story short, I was talking to a very conservative woman at the Paris Air Show who was from Mississippi, and she was probably ai, 70. And it was really interesting because I was just like, you know, how do you how do you find the city?
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She’d never been to Paris before, and I’m just, you know, interested in people. So I was asking her, and she said, you know what’s really interesting is I just feel like Paris, I would think of as very liberal, but I actually think Paris is more conservative than some of the big cities in the United States.
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And I said, oh, oh, tell me more about this. This woman doesn’t know me very well and she’s clearly kind of embarrassed to tell me but she walks through, she says, well, I just don’t see any people. Like, when you’re in Paris, the girls are girls and the boys are bryden. And that’s true in Paris, and that’s not necessarily true in some of our big cities.
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And then and then she says she she says
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she says, senator Vance, I’m embarrassed to tell you this, but when I was in New York City recently, I saw a grown man who was walking around in a miniskirt and then she gets very quiet and she said, senator Vance, I could see his balls. He probably wanted you to see his balls.
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And you ai, oh meh god. This is not this is not empowerment. This is not respecting lifestyle choices. We’re letting a grown man walk around in a miniskirt in broad ai.
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Like, what are you talking about? Should be allowed to wear a miniskirt. If a girl can wear a miniskirt, you could wear a miniskirt. That’s not what bothers me. But What bothers me is if I have to see your balls.
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To flash people in broad daylight in New York City? You’re a pervert. You’re a pervert. You’re just a pervert. Yeah. If that’s what you’re doing, you’re a pervert. And I want I want all of us to say whatever your political persuasion, just say no. That’s weird. Right. You’re not allowed to walk down the street and flash children in the middle of the world’s or the the America’s biggest city.
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And it reminds me, you know, Emmanuel Macron, who’s the the leader of France, made this observation about you know, somebody asked him, why hasn’t all the transgender stuff made its way into France? And Emmanuel Macron says, well, in France, we have 2 genders, and that’s plenty.
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And I kinda wish that was the attitude that we had in the United States of America.
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Well, have you ever heard Marc Antaresan speak down, the the why woke is like a cult? He does it. He’s a brilliant guy. He’s he’s
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a very he’s a very good friend. Yeah. I I’ve I’ve heard this. Yeah.
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It’s brilliant. And he talks about how you can be excommunicated from the cult. Yep. If you don’t follow the doctrine, you have to follow religiously Yes. To the letter. That’s where all this stuff, like, if you’re allowing guys to just have their balls hanging out walking down the street because it’s empowering
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Yep.
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And because, like, you’re being inclusive. Sure. Like, well, no. You’re empowering perverts.
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Yeah. It’s a cult, and it’s a religion, but with one big difference. And I think this is you know, actually, this this observation is probably one of the things that led me back to my own faith. But I I I sort of just a fundamental background belief I have about humanity is, you know, we are the hardware. Right? We’re biological organisms.
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We’re the hardware, and the software is the ideas that we have in our head. And certain software promotes human flourishing and certain software destroys human flourishing. Ai I think that the the the good kind of ideas tend to promote human flourishing. What is what, you know, most world religions have, but the woke stuff doesn’t have is forgiveness and redemption.
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Yes.
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Right? It has the excommunication part, but it doesn’t have the forgiveness and redemption part. Most people recognize that even if you violate some fundamental moral value that I have, if you apologize and try to be a good person, we’re gonna be forgiving. We want people to be able to live together.
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There is this weird thing with the woke stuff where when and you see this and I feel bad when, like, comedians in particular do it. I’m sure you’ve seen this. But when anybody does this where they’ll go and say, well, I’m really sorry. They’ll sort of prostrate themselves when they make an offensive joke or they do something they’re not supposed to do, and they expect redemption. But no. No. No.
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They don’t get forgiveness. What they get is you need to do even more of what you’ve already done. It becomes this self defeating, self flagellating ai. And I think that’s the what’s most destructive about this is you can’t be friends with people if you think they’re only, you know, they’re only ever wrong.
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They can only ever wrong you. Yeah. And and they if they apologize, your response is not to say, oh, okay. I accept your apology. If your responses to say, no. I want you to apologize even more and even harder, that destroys human civilization.
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That’s it’s it’s an interesting observation. Right? Because it really does behave like a religion, but it’s a religion without, like, a good doctrine. Yes. It’s a religion that hasn’t been thought out by wise people.
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That’s right.
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Where they haven’t come up with these different like like the 10 commandments or different pathways to
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Correct.
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To forgiveness. There’s there’s nothing. So it’s a this thing that behaves like a religion, but it’s not really well thought out, and it’s very illogical. And it also combines pharmaceutical drug companies and all there’s a lot of other weird shit that’s attached to this religion
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Yes.
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That you kind of need. Like, if if if if you’re gonna do this whole woke thing and, like, go guns a blazing, you’re gonna have to get drugs involved. Like, you’re gonna have to they’re gonna have to do hormone blockers. It’s ai it doesn’t just happen on its own. And that somehow or another is natural to them.
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Like, this is how you be your your true self. Like, your true self is you you you add hormones that aren’t supposed to be in your body? That’s your true self? Like, how do you know? Right. And and it’s irreversible? Are we fucking sure?
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This is
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Yeah. And, oh, by the way, instead of your true self being maybe I should be skeptical of some of the crap that I’m putting into my body. I should lean into the idea that I should put more foreign things into the human body. That that’s what to me is so fascinating about it is the true self, like, you know, I think all of us that’s sort of part of the human journey for truth.
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We’re all asking who is, you know, who are we? Right.
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What is
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our true self? And maybe we should be asking ourselves this is sort of more of a Bobby Kennedy point, but why are we putting all this weird crap into our food, into our water? Maybe we should be a little bit more skeptical, ai, on my body as a temple rather than I’m gonna welcome even more pharmaceutical intervention Yeah. Into the human body.
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It’s very interesting how some religions view the body as a temple and some religions almost invite the pollution. I think the woke thing is inviting the pollution.
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Well, they’re also inviting so what one of the weirdest things is if you are on the wrong side of their ideology, like, if you’re aligned with Ram, like RFK Junior is, Now all of a sudden Ai seen, like, people on the left that are trying to dismiss a lot of the things that he says about additives in food, about atrazine, fluoride in the wall, all these different things because now they’re connecting not having toxins in your food with a right wing idea.
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It’s crazy.
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It’s mind blowing. It’s so bananas. Like, even being healthy, fitness Fitness. They’re connecting fitness with a right wing idea like
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Yeah. Well and it it raises one of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake shit and distractions to distract us from the real stuff. Right? And so if I’m looking at the environmental movement in the United States of America and I don’t even have, like, strong views on the you know, what the carbon footprint ultimately does.
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I’m sort of skeptical of the experts here, but I’m also skeptical of, you know, the other side. I I just don’t really know what I think about this. I think it’s insane to try to eliminate fossil fuels. That’s kind of a belief that I have. But it’s interesting that the environmental movement in America, the only thing that it talks about is the carbon footprint.
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And it never talks about, like, oh, why do we have the highest rates of obesity in the world right now? Right? Why why is it that American kids spend less time outdoors in nature than they ever have in the history of our 250 year civilization. There’s this weird way in which we get distracted by the fake stuff instead of focusing on the real stuff, and I think there is a really very important environmental conversation to be had.
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It was interesting when and one of the first things that happened when I was a senator is he had this terrible train derailment in East Palestine, Ai. Got a lot of headlines, and it was a mistake at the time that wasn’t obvious. They basically set off a few of the chemical cars, which Ai mean, if you see the images, it looks like a nuclear bomb went off in East Palestine, Ohio.
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But it’s putting ai chloride and all these other pollutants into the water, into the air, into the soil. And it was amazing. The environmental movement almost could not have cared less about a chemical explosion in rural Ohio that is potentially poisoning thousands of people, but they were really, really concerned about the carbon footprint of those same people.
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I I Ai I’m I’m sick of the distraction. I think we should focus on the real stuff. And, unfortunately, it’s true of the environmental policy, but it’s true of a lot of other stuff. We just don’t talk about the real thing.
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The carbon footprint think is very concerning to me because I’m I’m seeing this concept that being pushed out of having an app that monitors your carbon footprint and limiting the amount of travel you can do and limiting the amount of thing.
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I know where that’s gonna go.
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Yeah. Just control. It’s just control. Absolutely about control. And if you could do that, then you can get away with a lot of things. You can get a lot of away with a lot of policy. Yep. You can get away with a lot of decisions that are made that people wouldn’t agree with because you’re gonna limit so many things about their life.
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They’re gonna become accustomed to being governed That’s right. In that way. It just it’s disturbing to me that there’s also profit that’s being made off the green movement. There’s a lot of people, like, feel good, who have, like, making a lot of money off of these environmentally conscious things.
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$50,000,000 to Kamala Harris, by the way.
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Also, it is bullshit fake food, that fake meat, which is not good for anybody.
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Me out, man.
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You read about fake meat, folks. Read about how they’re making this. And I’m not talking about 3 d printed meat, which is a very different thing, which seems to be at least more consumable. Mhmm. But for, like, the plant based meat stuff, that’s garbage. That stuff is garbage. Ai highly processed garbage. If you sana eat vegetables and beat vegetarian, eat Indian food. Okay?
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Ai, they make really delicious
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vegetarian food. Meh. They make very good vegetarian food.
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They make the best vegetarian food. Yeah. But it tastes good, and it’s actually vegetables. Yeah. It’s not this crazy fake cheeseburger thing that you have. No. That’s right. Yeah. Stop eating that. When
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we when I first started dating my wife, I just had no idea, like, what vegetarians ate. Right? I’m like a meat and potatoes, guy from Ohio, and I wanted to make her dinner. And I wanted to really impress her because I was, like, madly in love with her. And Did you cook beef? No.
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The meal that I the meal that I made her, I’m not proud of this, but I’ll tell you, was you know what crescent rolls are? Those, like, Pillsbury yeast rolls. Ai I rolled out a flat thing of crescent rolls. I put raw broccoli on top of it. I sprinkled ranch dressing, and I stuck in the oven for 45 It’s and that was disgusting. And that was my vegetarian pizza that I made. Wow.
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My wife’s our first follow a recipe? No. No.
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You just ai I’m just like, well, you know? It’s like ram. I know she she ate, you know, dairy. It’s it’s it’s broccoli, and it’s bread. Right? That’s what vegetarians eat. So, yeah, I I think that to your point, vegetarian food could actually be quite good. Yes. I don’t, you know, I still I still like, I’m kinda one of these people where if I don’t have a piece of meat, it’s not a complete meal.
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But if you’re any vegetarian, eat paneer and rice and delicious chickpeas. Do not eat this disgusting fake meat.
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I’m just very skeptical when someone is promoting things for either global health or for the ai. And then I find out that they have a ton of money invested in companies that could Absolutely. Fit those needs. Yeah. It’s it’s a real problem, this Philanthropapitalism
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ai. It’s very weird, man. We gotta look at the Sneaky. We have to look at the financial incentives of this. I mean so one of the big things that me and president Trump confront all the time is the accusation that we’re somehow, like, in bed with Russia. It’s ai the the dumbest thing in the world to me. Like, I don’t really care about Russia.
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I just don’t think we should have a nuclear war, like, writ large. I’m very anti nuclear war. Reasonable. Thank you. Appreciate that.
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And one of the things they never interrogate is who’s the biggest funder of the green energy movement in Europe? It’s the Russians. And why are the Russians funding? It’s not because they care about climate change. It’s because they want the Germans and everybody else to buy Russian natural sai, and they ai that if the Germans and French close down all their coal and nuclear factories, Russia is gonna have them by the balls.
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But get the Germans
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to close down their nuclear factories.
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Oh, it’s a bunch of them.
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Cut off, I think. Mine did?
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Mine did? Okay. No. Joe’s did? No idea.
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Oh, okay. Let’s see what’s up. Oh, is this it right here? One of these popped off. That’s weird. Is it still No. That should be
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Holy shit. The Russians the Russians are monitoring this fucking conversation. I
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don’t know what happened. Check. Check. Yeah. Oh, I hear me now. Yeah. I hear me. Yeah. Okay. Got it? Yeah. What what no. I’m out. No. It’s gone again, Jamie. We’ll be right back. Oh. Back. I’m back. Yeah. But I don’t even know if I’m gonna stay back.
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How will I know if it keeps working? Well, I’m listening, but I don’t know what what happened.
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Okay. Should we shift? Or should we just let’s try this and then we can
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Just keep going. Just let me know if it goes again. I don’t know if it goes again. I don’t know if it goes again. I had a slight technical problem, ladies and gentlemen. So where were we talking about? Yeah. I just cut off again. Oh, Jamie. It must be with the mute button.
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It must be I don’t know where it is, but your foot’s not touching it.
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No. Am I touching something?
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No. No. No. No. It’s up. Okay. It’s back. It’s back, Jamie. Jamie, you gotta replace this. I keep saying that, but now you really do. We good? I hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I’m not gonna move. I’m not touching anything. Alright. We’re back. What were we just talking about?
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Well, we’re talking about how you you asked why why do the Germans shut down the nuclear facilities? And I know, you know, it’s it’s they’re shutting down coal. They’re shutting down any of their base power and leaning really into solar and wind. But, again, the the the green energy movement in Europe is heavily funded by the Russians because the Russians want to have because they produce so much natural gas, they wanna have Europe by the balls.
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So, again, how
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do they convince them to shut down their nuclear power plants?
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Well, in the same way that Bill Gates is convincing us to eat fake meat is they fund all this stuff and they make it about the environment. Well, that’s true.
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He’s But
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he’s trying to.
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But everybody’s the problem is you look at him and you go, hey. I’m a health expert. This is look at you. The funniest thing ever was when Elon showed a photo of Bill Gates next to a photo of a pregnant man emoji, and he said if you sana lose a boner real quick. And he that’s a wild boy.
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Imagine Elon is funny as shit, man. He’s actually He’s funny as shit.
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Yeah. He’s he really is. Done by that guy’s gotta suck because you can’t even say he’s a dumbass. Right. You know? That’s right. Yeah. You can say many things. You can’t say he’s a dumbass. You get dunked on by one of the smartest guys ai. But the point is, like, Bill doesn’t look good. He looks terrible.
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He’s aging way harder than Trump. Like, it doesn’t whatever you’re doing, don’t eat like that anymore. Like, go to an actual doctor. Like, I don’t know what you’re doing. Who’s telling you eat your fake meat? This is you look like shit. Yeah. So you can’t give advice. This is crazy. You can’t give advice about health. Yeah.
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You’re not a healthy person.
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That’s right. You know? I did so there’s this thing called the Munich Security Conference in, in Germany. Obviously, it’s in Munich. It’s ai of like Davos, but for national security. And I went there, and it’s, like, a big deal for me because I went in there as the one skeptic in the entire this, like, massive euro complex.
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Kamala Harris is there. I went as the person skeptical of continued escalation in Ukraine because I think what we’re doing in Ukraine is insane and that we should have a policy effectively of promoting peace in the region. And we we walk in, and one of the people that I’m on this panel with is the leader of the German Green Party.
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And, you know, she’s she’s, like, 30 years old, and she really, really cares about Russia, Ukraine. She’s, like, the youngest person in the German government. And you realize you are, like, the exact like, you guys are literally Russian influence. Like, you’re accusing me of wanting to do Russia’s bidding.
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You’re encouraging your own country from the perch of government to shut down all baseload power, and you’re not even self aware about how much of your own propaganda is funded by the country that’s benefiting from this. The the lack of ability to interrogate I mean, Bill Gates, you know, like, maybe he’s a good guy. I’m highly skeptical.
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I don’t know him very well, but he’s getting rich off of all of this stuff that he’s supporting in the name of health or in the name of climate. Our inability to just ask ourselves, who’s getting rich from this stuff? Maybe we should be skeptical of the people getting rich from this stuff is one of our big failures as a political society.
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It’s a sheep costume. You put on a sheep costume when
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you’re a girl. That’s right.
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And you make a lot of money with global health.
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That’s right.
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And who doesn’t want global health? What a nice guy. Yeah. Oh, he’s, like, very philanthropic. He’s he’s spending all this money trying to help poor people. Right. And then you find out, like, sai a minute. How much money did you make doing that? Yeah. Exactly. You paid off $500,000,000 doing that? Exactly. That’s crazy.
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It’s it’s a very sneaky move, but he’s he’s a smart guy. He’s in a lot of very sneaky moves, like the donating all the money to the media companies, which is why they never criticize him. The ai fair he’s donated, like, $350,000,000 to all these different companies.
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That’s right. Or, you know, this ai, I think, one of the reasons why we don’t have more people asking questions about big pharma
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Of course.
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Is the entire national media. Think about how many pharmaceutical advertisements you watch when you watch a football game.
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Yeah. Let’s get into this because this is an interesting one. So one of the things that happened that separated us from the rest of the world other than New Zealand is in the 19 nineties, they allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise.
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That’s right.
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What do you is that something that has to stay that way? Is that something that could be changed in with policy, or is the financial incentives of that too big to move?
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Oh, you could change it with policy. I don’t know that you
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think that you would meh have enough support to do something like that?
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Question. I I so I’ve been critical of pharmaceutical advertising for a long time. Ai assumption is that there are not enough people who would like to do it to actually get it done, but, you know, I’ve never actually talked to my colleagues about it. So may maybe it’s possible.
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I bet if you ask the American people, you know, I bet that’s one of those things if you put it to a national vote instead of representatives. The problem with representatives is special interest groups.
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Yeah. Special interest groups
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and lobbyists and the amount of money.
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Yeah. The the whole conduit of money into politics is fundamentally broken. I think we have to fix that. But I mean, here okay. Here’s the thing, and I say this is a critic of pharmaceutical advertising. Whenever I see a pharma ad ai I pretty much only see them when I’m watching football, I’m always shocked that they actually influence anybody. Right?
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Because it’s like, oh, take this drug Right. Rheumatoid ai, and you can have all these positive experiences. And it’s like, oh, the side effects are, you know, erectile dysfunction, rashes on your face Suicidal ideation. Ai ideation, tumors in your brain, and you’ll hate yourself and be depressed. So what you’ll need is this other drug.
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And and I always wonder, like, you get so many of these weird side effects in the advertisements. How do how do they actually work? So I actually think that the real corruption is not really that they, like, persuade Americans. I mean, if you’re gonna take a drug, you’re probably gonna take a drug based on conversations with your doctor more than a pharma advertisement, but they do corrupt the media ecosystem.
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Because if you’re getting all that money from the pharma companies, then you’re not gonna launch investigations into some of the things you should be launching investigations into.
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100%. And that’s why it’s dangerous because it’s not like these are completely innocent companies and have never done anything wrong. So if you all of a sudden have them removed from your list of people that you’re investigating just because they ai, they’ve essentially bribed you.
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That’s right.
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They’ve bribed you and you’re supposed to be the people that distribute the actual news to the American people, and you’re compromised.
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So okay. So let me tell you this this story, and this is okay. This is purely secondary. So if if, you know, somebody tries to fact check it, I heard this from a friend, but I heard it from a friend I I trusted. So he was a guy I knew, and he worked at the largest industry lobbying organization for the pharmaceutical companies.
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And I was in DC, this is a long time ago, and I just kinda ran into him and, you know, I Sai care a lot about the opioid problem. My mom struggled with opioids for a very long time. She’s been clean and sober for a while, but I’m I’m very proud of her. I love you, mom. I know you’re watching this.
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But she ran into this guy in the street in DC, and he’s he just quit his job for this pharmaceutical lobbying organization or he was talking about quitting. And I was like, why? He’s like, man, we just did something. This is very dark. And, basically, what they had figured out is because American Indian tribes, Native Meh, have tribal sovereignty.
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And so they figured out, I guess, that if they gave some Native American tribe some fraction of a fraction of a penny of the royalties from the saloni of opioids, that they could actually insulate themselves from litigation around the prescription opioid epidemic. And I guess this guy was just, like thought it was so dirty that he was like, I can’t I can’t work for this organization anymore.
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And I was like, holy shit. That is some pretty dark stuff. So you guys are giving some Native American tribe like pennies so that you can insulate yourself from pharmaceutical litigation. I I’d be very curious. I should follow-up on this to see if that actually happened.
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But, again, just to be clear, if the media tries to fact check me, this is what I heard
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from Jamie fact check
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it. Right? Jamie, I’m very curious if this actually happened. Look at look into it. Because but but Ai I think it did happen because I saw the look on this guy’s face, and he was like, man, this is some pretty dark stuff.
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That’s crazy. Yeah. But that’s how corporations behave. You know, we were just the trigonometry guys that were on here yesterday, and we were talking about it, that corporations behave like psychopaths. Like, that’s there’s a book about it. And it’s ai they did describe how this endless pursuit of off again. It really you know what it is, Jamie?
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Whenever I move the mic, tell me when it’s back.
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You just hit it
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and it made a noise. It must be the cable that’s used to it. Sorry. Oh, this is it, dude.
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Oh, is that You
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got it.
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Oh, you got it. This was loose.
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Try it now. Tell me now.
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I mean, I heard that click. I think that’s
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what it was. Is that it? We’re good? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
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What was that thing you want me
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to check real quick? Sorry. For
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this Pharmaceutical companies ai, giving royalty streams to Native American tribes to insulate themselves from lawsuits. Anyway, yeah.
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It’s very scary stuff. Well yeah.
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It’s and it’s this is, like, one of the things that I think is genuinely different about
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and
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I don’t wanna get too too partisan political here, but about Donald Trump’s Republican party. Is is I meh, shah, obviously, like, there are corporations that were more pro certain businesses and we’re we tend to be more anti certain businesses, like, for example, Big Tech. I hate Big Tech. We can get into that later.
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But, fundamentally, I think president Trump has changed the mindset of the Republican Party to where it was, like, instinctively always pro corporate, we’re now sometimes willing to ask, well, is this corporation’s interest in the American interest? Like, there was this famous quote, I believe, from the leadership of GM back in ai 19 fifties that General Motors’ interest is America’s interest.
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And I’m probably butchering the quote, but sort of paraphrased. Can anybody really in 2024 say that Google’s interest is America’s interest or Apple, which employs thousands of slaves in Shenzhen is Apple’s interest is America’s interest? Like, I I just don’t. That’s ridiculous.
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And the fact that we’re at least somewhat skeptical of corporate power in the Republican party, I ai, is a very good trend for us.
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It is kinda weird that one of the wokest companies if you thought about, like, woke companies and, like, super progressive and, like, on the right side of everything, Apple. Apple’s, like, one of the best ones. And they have phones that are made by slaves. Yeah. Like, the the the people Like, definitionally. Yeah. Yeah.
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The people were they put nets around the building because so many of them were jumping to their desks. Yes. Instead of fixing the work conditions, they just go That’s right. Ai up some nets.
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Yeah. Put up put up some nets sai the people can’t commit suicide.
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The crazy thing is you still like, all these, like, progressive people are using these devices to talk about, like, important social issues.
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Oh, yeah. Well, in talking about distractions. Right? The the distractions like, distraction politics versus real politics. If Apple says hashtag BLM and gives a few $1,000,000 to a trans rights organization, then the entire political left ignores that they’re profiting off of slave labor.
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It’s bizarre. Now why can’t Apple here it is. Strange bedfellows, Native American tribes, big pharma. Okay. So this is ai a legitimacy of their alliance. Wow. Oh, so it’s true. Yeah.
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ai. Oh my god. This is about exact you said it’s ai. I was gonna say
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So
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I think I saw that guy in, like, 2,000 18.
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It’s so gross. It’s so gross. Man. It’s so sick. But it’s what we’re talking about. If you allow these corporations look. They have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make more money.
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Sure.
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What’s the best way to make more money? Not get sued? What’s the best way to not get sued? For sir, I found a loophole. Yeah. You got some fucking Adderall really ai. Yeah. Exactly. Working 16 hours. Like, I got a plan to get us out of here. And it works. It’s legal.
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Who Ai I’m sorry. Like, look. I get the appear imperative to make money, but the guy who thought that up is a grade a sociopath. Yes.
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I mean, that person is Yeah. Yeah. Ai. I don’t want them anywhere near my kids.
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You gotta put guardrails up. Like, you have to have laws. That’s why you can’t have insider trading. Right? Like, you have the guardrails up. And if you don’t, people go ham.
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This is why look. Corporations wanna go make money. They should make money. Yes. Fine. But my job is public and social policy. And what really pisses me off and, frankly, what should piss off more Republicans because, again, historically, the Republican Party has been the more pro corporate party.
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We should be saying to the more that these corporations are engaged in social policy, in particular, left wing social policy, the more that we should be saying, I don’t know that I want to give you everything that you want, which is, of course, what the historical party did, but I think is much different in the last few years.
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I’m just scared that the tentacles of the pharmaceutical industry are so deeply entrenched in politics and in media that you can’t just shake them off. You can’t just say, hey. You can’t advertise on TV anymore or, hey. You no long longer have exemption from responsibility from the side effects of certain drugs. Yep.
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Because the the that that whole thing they pulled off with exemption of pharmaceutical companies being responsible for injuries
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For injuries from the ai. Was crazy.
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It’s crazy
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because you just have power these people
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that have lied forever. Yeah. It does still exist.
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And it still exists, and that is totally insane. And I I mean, you know, I so I I I took I took the vax, and, you know, I haven’t been boosted or anything. But the the moment where I really started to get red pill on the whole vax thing was the sickest that Ai been in the last 15 years ai far was when I took the vaccine.
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And I you know, I’ve had COVID at this point 5 times. I was in bed for 2 days. My heart was racing. I was like the the fact that we’re not even allowed to talk about that even, you know, I no no, like, serious injury. But but even the fact that we’re not even allowed to talk about the fact that I was as sick as I’ve ever been for 2 days and the worst COVID experience I had was like a sinus infection, I’m not really willing to trade that.
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And Yeah. You don’t even you know, everybody that I know or a lot of people I know, they talk about the saloni shot that they got of the vaccine was really that made them really, really sick. Well, that’s a side effect and not a side effect that we even talk about enough in this country.
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No. It’s and it’s also again, we’re talking about companies that have a long history of lying and being forced to pay criminal ai, and then we’re giving them this exemption from being responsible for any of the side effects. Yeah. And who do you think
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this big pharma companies donate to politically in 2024? I’ll give you a big fat guess.
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Probably, Kamala Harris.
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By a significant margin.
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Well, particularly with a RFK Junior being attached to Trump. Sure. With RFK Junior comes a lot of Yep. You know, like, there’s a lot. There’s a lot that you’re gonna have to handle there. But that’s the question is, like, is are they so entrenched that it’s impossible to these things that disturb us, the fact that they have exemption from any responsibility because of the vaccine, the fact that they have the ability to advertise on television.
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Can those things be removed? Is that a possible thing?
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I think it’s a possible thing, but because I haven’t actually done the work to figure out how many of my colleagues would sign on to this, I can’t say whether it’s, like, a certain thing or a likely thing or just something that we should be working on. What I I mean, here’s an interesting thought experiment. If there was one thing that we could do to rein in the pharmaceutical companies, like, what would it be?
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Would it be liability on the vax stuff? Would it be advertising? My intuition is actually it might be the advertising on the health care stuff because that’s the way in which they engulf the media into this whole scam.
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That would be great. But but the the vaccine ai thing is important too because
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I will look into it. That’s that’s what I’ll that’s what I’ll say here because I would need to talk to people to see if this is even possible.
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It’s a weird one where you’re not even allowed to question it. You’re not allowed to discuss it.
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Oh, sure.
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01:08:03
And that becomes very religious just like all these other things that we talked about where you have this this thing that everybody speaks about in hushed tones. People know people that have been vaccine injured. Yeah. Particularly people on the left, they’re very reluctant to discuss it even publicly. Yeah.
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I know people who are public people who have had serious vaccine side effects who do not want anyone to talk about vatsal. Absolutely. They’re scared of being labeled an anti vaxxer.
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I have a sana colleague who doesn’t sana talk about it, but worries that it’s, like, permanently affected his sort of sense of balance and dizziness and vertigo. And, yeah, it it happens. I’ve talked to a number of people who think that they got vaccine injured. Some of them are public about it and some of them are not.
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But here I mean, here’s the thing, like, I’m I’m not even you’re probably more anti pharma than I am. Like, there are certain
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things pro pharma too.
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I think
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they make great drugs that help people with
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all sorts of conditions
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and diabetes meh and insulin.
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01:08:59
I meh, sick like, the sickle cell stuff that’s coming out now, we maybe have cured sickle cell disease in black Americans because of a gene therapy. The first I read about it a couple weeks ago actually that the first experimental therapy, and it was hard for the kid who took it.
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01:09:15
But you had, like, an 11 or 12 year old black American just walk out of the hospital, and he’s probably cured of sickle cell disease. Right? That that that stuff is amazing. But I actually think that in some ways, what we should be encouraging these companies to do is that. Right?
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01:09:30
We want them to develop the ai drugs. We don’t want them to get rich by shielding themselves from liability or or working with Native American tribes so that they don’t get sued. And I actually think there ram be even is a harmony between those viewpoints because if they had to get rich by developing life saving therapeutics and that’s the only way they could get rich, then they’d probably do more of that.
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01:09:51
Ai? 100%. But, again, that that’s where public policy comes in, and that’s where, like, my job is to make sure that when the pharmaceutical companies get rich, they get rich by curing diseases, not by doing, like, weird ai things with Native American tribes.
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And you can’t have this argument that we need exemption from responsibility because, otherwise, we’re not gonna be able to profit off these things.
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Like Absolutely.
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Well, that means you’re making stuff that too many people are getting sick from, so they’re fucking suing you.
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01:10:17
Well, that’s so that that’s socialized cost. Right? It’s one of the biggest problems with corporate America is socialized cost but privatized profits profits. And what you really want is that you want major American companies. And I’m like, I’m a believer in the market economy.
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01:10:31
You want them to absorb the benefits but also the costs, and that’s often what doesn’t happen. Like, for example so I talked about this train disaster in East Palestine, and, you know, the the railroad companies hate me because I kinda went on a crusade against them afterwards.
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01:10:44
And what I realized is think of all the costs of that disaster. Think of the health care costs, the welfare costs from people who lost their jobs, the declining home values in that community, just all of the costs absorbed by that community, and the railroads are paying slap on the hand fines.
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And it sort of occurred to me that the reason they’re not more serious about these train disasters is because they’re privatizing the rewards. But when a major train disaster happens, who who picks up the tab? It’s the local residents and it’s the American taxpayer, and that’s something that fundamentally has to change.
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01:11:19
Yeah. That has to change. And when you’re talking about the cost from a place like East Palestine, how much can they clean that up? Like, how long does that stay toxic? Man because it was millions of gallons. Right? Wasn’t some what was the number of gallons? I don’t
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01:11:36
know the number of gallons, but it was a lot. And I hate to say the answer to your question, how much can they Jimmy. How much can they clean up? The answer is Ai don’t know. And I actually this is one of my biggest frustration. Probably my single biggest frustration, over my time in the Senate is when this happened, a bunch of the residents came to me.
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01:11:55
It’s actually very sweet and even kind of patriotic, but certainly self sacrificing where they said, look. No one knows what the effect of this shit is gonna be 15 years down the road.
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Ai? Because because we you you like,
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we weren’t worried about, okay, a guy drinks the water and he’s Palestinian and drops dead. The water levels did not have toxins at that level. But the question was, what happens when you’re imbibing the stuff, breathing it in, drinking it at low at trace levels for 10, 15 years?
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Like, do you have weird diseases down the road? Hopefully not. Right? I pray every day that hopefully not, but you can only study that in the moment. Right.
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01:12:33
Sai we actually working with a a public health epidemiologist in North Carolina and some in Ai, we actually came up with a plan. Like, here’s what you would need to do. You’d collect samples in the 1st 6 months to a year after the disaster. Ai I’m talking about, like, fingernail clippings, things like that. You’d establish a baseline of toxins in people’s blood.
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01:12:54
And then 5 years later, 10 years later, you try to figure out what the toxins were in people’s blood 5 years, 10 years down the road. And then you’d ask yourself, what weird diseases, if any, are people starting to develop after 5, 10, 15 years? Right? The long term health effects of this stuff.
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And it was in some ways a really interesting thing to study because we had never had a chemical disaster where we tried to study the effects years down the road. And, of course, how much would this have cost? Between $520,000,000 over the whole lifetime of the study. We couldn’t get Biden Harris.
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We couldn’t even get some of my colleagues in the United States Senate to give a shit, and it’s really frustrating to me because the time has now passed. Right? All these people who were saying, we are volunteering to be a guinea pig to understand the long term health consequences, the time has passed, and we’re never gonna know because we didn’t get the money to do the very small amount of money to do that study then.
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01:13:47
So you asked that question. The answer is, I don’t know. I tried like hell to find out.
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Do you think that there’s someone influencing them to not fund these studies because they don’t want responsibility for these bills? Yeah.
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I thought a lot about that. I think in this particular case, it was just bureaucratic bullshit and too many people being distracted.
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01:14:06
There’s a lot of that. Right?
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There’s a lot of that. Right? And and and look, sometimes to be clear, there is outright malevolence. There’s lobbyists who are in their ear. I think of this case, it was just, you know, a bunch of people in rural Ohio that nobody except for, you know, a few of us. I care about them obviously, but no person in the in the Harris administration cared about.
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And so when we went to the White House and just sai, you could move money, like, even just give us a couple $1,000,000 to collect the samples and get the study started, and then we’ll privately fund it down the road. We couldn’t get anything from them. And I think it was just they were like, we’ve got bigger fist to fry.
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Just sai do you know what efforts have been made to clean that area up or what Oh, yeah. No. I mean, look look. We we we’ve definitely Does it show what they’re saying? Because they come up close. Sai Yeah. 25,800 gallons of ai, 25,800 what’s that? That’s the car.
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That’s the car ID.
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Gallons is on it.
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The capacity and the contents is
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is ai? 1,000 gallons of that. Yeah. Oh, each car has oh, I see it. Stuff.
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Yeah. Each car had different stuff.
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So what is the total of all of it? Somewhere, like, it’s a 100,000. That’s another half, like, 300
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It’s millions. Right? 2,000 gallons or sai. Oh, mill yeah. Ram millions of liters. But look. I mean
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01:15:19
And all that stuff just leaks into the groundwater. It goes to the soil.
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It’s a rural area. A lot of people are in well water. You know, a lot of people are just, you know, breathing in the air. I mean
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And we wouldn’t know what the health consequences are for those folks for years.
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We won’t we won’t know, and we we may never really know because we didn’t collect the samples at the time because you gotta establish the baseline. That was what my epidemiologist guy that I talked to in in, North Carolina sai, you’ve got to establish the baseline because here’s what’s gonna happen. Right?
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Fast forward 10 years, people get weird cancers. Sometimes because of chemical spills come sometimes just because that’s human biology. Somebody will sue the train company, which is, Norfolk Ai Southern will sue sue the train company, and they’ll sai, I’ve got this weird cancer because of you.
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01:16:08
And what Norfolk Southern will say is, no. You don’t. You don’t have this weird cancer because of me. You have it because of just, you know, you you sort of lost the game of Russian roulette that is human biology. And what we could have said conclusively was yes or no, and, unfortunately, we’re not gonna be able to say that.
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This is one of the things, like, when we’re in office, the first not the first, but the first disaster that we have, hopefully, there aren’t any, but there always are. 1st chemical disaster that we are, we’re gonna take the infrastructure of that study, and right away, we’re gonna try to establish a baseline.
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01:16:41
Is it possible to I mean, is when you when you have a spill of that magnitude, can you actually get everything out of the ground? Do you have to just remove all the ground? Like, how would you do you have to test the groundwater to make sure that it doesn’t
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01:16:56
To to their credit, you’re not gonna hear me pray praising, the the these guys that meh. But the the local EPA folks, I actually think, did a pretty good job there on the water side because what they basically did is they just ran the water in the creeks through, you know, a filtration system, cleaned it, oxidized it, and then got the chemicals out of it and then put it back into the system.
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Now the problem is the stuff that’s just in the ground, you can’t really get that out.
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Right.
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Right?
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You’d have to remove the ground.
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You’d have to remove the ground and clean. I don’t even know how you would clean it. I don’t know if we have the capacity to clean it. What what you what you can do is try to you know, as we did, we passed out bottled water and tried to make sure that people weren’t drinking the water until the levels of toxins hit a certain level.
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01:17:39
And again but but the the issue was never, like, the levels of toxins are gonna kill you. The issue is always, are they gonna cause long term problems? That is that that and when we got so focused, I think the media got so focused on, is the water safe to drink? And it’s ai, the question is not, is the water safe to drink? The question is, is the water safe to drink for the next 15 years? Right.
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And we’re never gonna know the answer to that question.
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01:18:03
Yeah. People are terrified of this idea of someone sabotaging, things like that that have trains that contain toxic chemicals. People are terrified about the, sabotaging of the grid in particular. That’s that’s one that a lot of people have talked about that we’re very vulnerable.
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01:18:23
Ai, what what can be done to sort of shore that up? It seems like cyber attacks are possible. Physical attacks are possible. Yeah. And if the grid goes down, we’re we have a real problem. Right?
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01:18:35
We do have a real problem. You look like, you know, there’s New York Times or somebody else reported recently that my phone was allegedly hacked by Chinese ai. And so
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01:18:43
No. What’d they get?
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Yeah. I don’t think anything.
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Nothing. Come on, man. Ai got anything in there?
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We’ll find it. We’ll find it. We’ll find out, man. We’ll find out.
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01:18:51
Got any memes? You probably should shouldn’t share. Some some
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some offensive memes and, you know, me me telling my wife, to get an extra gallon of milk at the grocery store. I mean, I you know, luckily, I’m a pretty boring guy, so I don’t think that they got really anything. That’s nice. We’ll find out. It’s nice
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01:19:08
to be boring if your phone gets hacked.
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Yeah. That’s right. That’s right. Well, it it also I mean, it’s apparently, they couldn’t get the encrypted messages that weren’t sent, so I’m pretty careful about, like, making sure I use signal
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and Right. Right.
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Meh and all that stuff. Anyway, so Sai mean, look. Maybe they got some stuff. We’ll find out. Eventually, I try not to worry too much about shit I can’t control, but, one thing that came up ai the way in vatsal, and I’ll go back to your your question, is about the grid. One thing that came up in that is the way that they hacked and it was also president Trump’s phone apparently too.
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01:19:37
The way that they hacked our phones is they used the backdoor telecom infrastructure that had been developed in the wake of the Patriot Act. And this is something that I think should be a much bigger part of the controversy over the Patriot Act is when when the Patriot Act was passed, like AT and T, Verizon, they had to build all of these systems sai that if somebody got a FISA warrant and could hack into a particular phone, the infrastructure actually existed.
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What I’ve been told is that that infrastructure was used by this Chinese hacker organization called Salt Typhoon, and that’s how they got into to the Verizon network, and that’s how they got into the AT and T network.
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What a great name, by the way. Salt Typhoon.
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It’s a pretty badass name. Right?
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If they have anything on me, I can’t
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be too pissed off at them. At least they they named themselves Salt Typhoon. But the the the answer to the question about the grid is this is actually it’s one of these things where if we had a functional government, it’s pretty easy to to develop the systems. Because if you do ai an EMP attack, right, Ron Johnson, who’s a senator from Wisconsin, is really preoccupied with this. You know, it doesn’t take down the whole grid.
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01:20:43
What it really screws with is the power transformer system. So what we should have is basically a backup power transformer for every major system in the United States of America just sitting in a warehouse that’s turned off. And because it’s turned off, it won’t be affected by an EMP pulse.
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And then if there is an EMP attack, you just get those transformers to swap out the ones that were destroyed, and then the grid is back up and running. It’s actually a scandal. I think that the federal government has not just at one point with all the money that we spend on defense and everything else, just sai, we’re gonna spend $15,000,000,000 to buy enough power transformers to have a backup for every transformer in the country.
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We should do that.
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Yeah. One of the things that Trump talked about that a lot of people probably weren’t aware of was the damage that these wind turbines are doing to whales. Ai wasn’t totally aware of it. Ai I I had
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no idea until I watched your podcast with him.
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I knew a little bit about it, but I I didn’t read about it until after I talked to him. It’s a real problem.
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It’s a very real problem.
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And what a conundrum for people that are so called ai and think the wind is, like, the the cleanest option when it’s not. The turbines don’t last. You can’t recycle them.
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It doesn’t work in saltwater in particular, which is what most of the world’s water is. I think wind is the biggest scam out there. It’s total bullshit.
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It’s also pollution. When I see those gigantic wind They’re ugly. They’re gross. They’re
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ugly. Yeah. I mean, I I thought this, where where were me and my wife? We we used to be in a road trips before we had a secret service detail, and we took a road trip I think a couple days, man. We took a road trip through Kansas or Nebraska or maybe it was Iowa. It was it was one of the I mean, we we went through all three of those states, but I can’t remember where.
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01:22:30
You just go for miles and miles, and you see nothing but wind turbines. It’s ai this is beautiful American countryside that used to be green rolling hills, and now you have these disgusting dystopian wind turbines. I’m sorry. They are ugly. I will die on this hill. They’re ugly. I don’t want them in American society.
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01:22:48
And nuclear power plants are actually more efficient, safer, and you don’t have the problem like, we think about the problems of nuclear waste. Like, they’ve kind of sorted a lot of those out. They haven’t sorted out the problems of getting rid of these turbines.
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No. They haven’t. Not at all.
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I I have a buddy of mine who lives in South Texas and I went to visit him and you you drive down there, and it’s ai an hour of turbines. They’re everywhere. There’s so many of them. I can’t stand that. You see them as, like, the sky is turning dark. You see these things just spinning.
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It just looks gross.
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They kill the birds. They apparently kill the whale. A lot of birds. A lot of birds.
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If you look underneath them, it’s like bird graveyards. It’s crazy.
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Yeah. It really is.
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And it’s clean. It’s green. It’s ai we’re we’re brainwashed to think that these things somehow or another are beneficial because they’re attached to this idea of being environmentally conscious.
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01:23:36
Well, then and I got I I I got the thought behind them. Right? I I understand why you were trying to turn. That’s obviously a source of energy because you have wind blowing through. That’s energy that we should capture, but we’re just not that good at it with this. Right? Maybe they’re efficient. Right. Just accept that it was a mistake. It’s not that efficient. The political or the environmental costs are pretty significant.
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01:23:54
You know, solar, I I think, is actually a little bit more reasonable because you can get a lot more of the power. They last a little bit longer. They’re not nearly as ugly, and you can put them in places where people don’t frankly wanna live that much anyway, like in deserts, things like that.
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01:24:07
Well, they do those roofs now. Ai, Tesla does the solar roof. Yeah. Just solar roofs.
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Ai think that’s a great way. Right? That’s just empty space. But wind, I think we just should say this was a failed experiment. We’re gonna stop subsidizing this. And if people wanna have a wind turbine, great. But we’re not gonna build miles and miles of wind turbines anymore, at least not with taxpayer subsidy.
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01:24:27
But I I just hope people recognize that the trade off is not worth it. Like, when you’re getting a little bit of electricity, you’re really ruining the landscape, you’re ruining the view, you’re killing birds, you’re messing up whales. And those things don’t last that long, and then when you gotta get rid of them, you gotta put them in a landfill. Ai Like, the whole thing’s bananas.
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01:24:44
It’s totally bananas.
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And, again,
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it’s we focus on the carbon footprint thing, and we don’t talk about the fact that there are these massive environmental hazards that goes back to the distracted politics versus the real stuff. And we should be talking about the real environmental consequences
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01:24:58
of power. No. The it’s one of those things that, again, is much like a religion where you you must stay with the doctrine. You must you must follow it by the word. Because if you step out of line and say, actually, when you look at these studies, it doesn’t really show that the world is warming.
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It shows that over the last x amount of 1000 of years, we’re in a gradual cooling period and that what’s really terrifying is global cooling.
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Yes.
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You know, Randall Carlson, who’s an expert in asteroid collisions and the Younger Dry’s impact theories, fascinating ai. But he says that like the periods the periods in in history where we came very close to extinction are, like, when there’s an ice age. Yes. Like, those are the most terrifying.
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That’s right.
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01:25:43
When there’s global warming, you just move to where it’s not so warm, and that’s what people have done forever.
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01:25:49
Well, and you and you deal with it technologically. Right? This is the thing that the solution to global warming for however long this warming trends trend lasts is to deal with it technologically. Right? I mean, if you look at the number of people who die from disasters in the United States, it’s going down because we’ve gotten better at predicting stuff and helping people deal with things.
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01:26:09
And, of course, you still have terrible things like hurricane Helene, but they are luckily part of a downward trend and people losing their lives from terrible storms. And, you know, if if you really think like, if you really think that carbon this is another reason why I’m somewhat skeptical of, like, the carbon obsessives is if you think that carbon is the most significant thing, the the sole focus of American civilization should be to reduce the carbon footprint of the world, then you would be investing in nuclear in a big way.
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And then when you say that, the environmentalists say, well, you’ve got all these poison rocks to deal with afterwards. Well, the poison rocks problem is a less significant problem than the carbon problem if you think that we’re all sana go extinct in a 100 years. So let’s deal with the most pressing problem. They’re all ai, no. No. No. No.
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01:26:55
And their solution is to buy solar panels that are disproportionately made in China, which has the worst carbon footprint and growing of any country in the entire world. They obviously don’t believe their own bullshit, which is why I’m somewhat skeptical of what they say.
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Also, when you have a movement and your spokesperson is Greta Thunberg and not some insanely intelligent scientist who’s done years of research on this stuff and there’s also not a consensus among scientists. There’s a lot of scientists that are heretics that are stepping outside the lines shah are saying that this is not an issue, and then they’re also pointing out the fact that carbon is what trees consume and there’s more greenery in the world today than there was a 100 years ago, which is a very inconvenient thing for people.
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See, I
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didn’t even realize that. Yeah. I had no idea.
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That’s true. Well, carbon is what trees feed off of.
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01:27:45
So I I knew carbon is what trees feed off of. I didn’t know there was more greenery than there was a 100 years ago. That’s that’s interesting.
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01:27:51
Not only that, you got Bill Gates that’s saying planting trees is not a solution to the carbon problem. Like Wait a second. This is this is so not true. This is what seems so crazy. It’s so not true, and it’s also historically like, one of the the the craziest moments in history, in my opinion, is the Mongols and what the Mongols did in in the 1200.
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01:28:10
They lowered the carbon footprint of Earth because they killed so many people. They killed 10% of the population of Earth.
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01:28:19
That is
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crazy. Because of that, because they they devastated these places and killed so many people, trees grew, more trees grew, and it lowered the carbon footprint. These places that have been overcome by agriculture were then re consumed by nature.
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Yeah.
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And it lowered the carbon footprint of Earth.
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01:28:38
Well, there is a fundamentally it raises the point. There’s a fundamentally anti human element of the radical environmental movement in the United States of America.
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01:28:45
They’re saying we have to reduce population. This is one. And when they say it with vaccines, you’re ai, slow down. That’s right. Did you just say that out loud? Shit. Yes. And then when you if you read Robert f Kennedy junior, and I encourage everyone to read Robert f Kennedy junior’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, because it’s not just about this crisis that we went through with COVID 19.
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01:29:07
It’s about a a host of different things that were done. And one of them was a vaccine that was supposed to be a DPT vaccine that they were giving to girls in Africa that was just birth control. It was just sterilizing them. Wow. And that they were I didn’t even realize that. They were giving them HCG, and that they were giving them into this, enhanced schedule.
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01:29:30
I don’t wanna screw this up because meh recall is not the best. I don’t wanna but the reality is there was experiments done on unwitting, unknowing African women where they gave them this thing that was supposed to be a a vaccine against the disease Wow. But it was really sterilizing them. And and they’re experimenting dark.
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01:29:48
Again, that’s that’s such a Native American OxyContin thing.
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This is dark shit. Global health shit. Ai, there’s a lot of experimenting going on. That’s right. That that’s what’s they we we pulled up an AP article. I had Alex Jones tell me this. I was like, what? It’s like, they gave him polio. They tried the vaccine. They gave him polio. Like, what?
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That’s good to
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pull up Jones impersonation.
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AP article that shows that a lot of they had to stop giving these kids in Africa this polio vaccine because it was actually giving them polio.
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That’s crazy.
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Like, because they experiment. Because this is how they find out if stuff works. So you get people with no Internet connection. They live in dirt floors. We’re gonna help you. And then they come and they experiment on them, and it’s so dark.
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That is so dark.
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All done through this idea of philanthropy. Yep. Yep. And it’s crazy, and they profit off of it. The whole thing is madness. And because they have so much influence and so much power and so much money is being generated, they’re allowed to get away with these things.
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Just think about, like, that from the perspective of these poor people. Ai assume the polio vaccine thing happened in Africa or it happened somewhere else. Okay. So you’re in Africa. Some white dude shows up, says that he cares about you, gives you a shot that’s gonna, you know, prevent you from getting some disease and then you become, like, permanently disabled or even die because of it.
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Like, think about what effect that has on how those Africans perceive our civilization. And are we gonna have you know, are they gonna, like we’re gonna have a conflict in 30, 40 years because people are so pissed off about us coming in and and giving them health care that isn’t actually health care.
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I really worry about that stuff. I mean, this is one of my big things with the Russia Ukraine conflict is people don’t realize how much of Africa’s food supply comes from the Ukraine. Ai guess, an astonishing amount. So if you have this war that goes on forever and there’s not enough food going to Africa, are are you gonna have a bunch of starving desperate people who are, like, pissed off because they’re starving, who hate European civilization because they don’t have you know, they’re not getting the food that they were expecting to meh.
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Like, we never think about the knock on effects of this stuff. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It’s really dark and really evil that we’re giving them polio.
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I also wonder the people who live in the village that got polio, what the hell are
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they gonna be doing in 30 years? They’re probably gonna hate us. Yeah. I would be really upset if you gave my kid polio. Yeah. You you came over here.
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Yeah. Justifiably so. Justifiably so, I’d hate these people. Right? You give my kid polio under the pretense of helping them?
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It’s crazy. But, you know, then there’s also pharmaceutical drugs that are really beneficial. And this is the thing, like, they have to have guardrails. Yeah. You have to have some rules guardrails. And regulations to keep these people from just never ending profits.
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Yes.
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Because they always gravitate towards that. They always gravitate towards making the most amount of money.
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And, again, this is where I go back to some of the arguments of the old left. Like, what kind of guardrails do you want these companies to have? Do you want the guardrails to be that if you donate to the ram pride and BLM organizations, you get to do whatever the hell you want? Right.
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Or do
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you want the guardrails, like, we’re gonna protect health and public safety and make sure that you’re not, like, killing people under the auspice of helping them?
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Yeah. And that That’s the kind of guardrails I want. The concept logical. Yeah. Very logical. But logic is, you know, dangerous today. Like, look, logic Oh, man. But logic is, it’s it’s a problem when you have ai and people
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are actually Logic is a colonial idea, man. You gotta get away from the logic.
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And that’s Math is racist.
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That’s right. If you know
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about that, that’s a new one.
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Well, okay. So it’s interesting. There’s this movie that’s probably, like, extremely influential to my entire political worldview, and I didn’t realize until last night because I got into Austin late. Usually, my wife travels with me. She wasn’t with me. Last night, she’s taking care of the kids today.
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So I get I get in the hotel room in Austin, and it’s very late and I watch this movie Bryden the Hood.
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Have you
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ever seen Boyz n
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the Hood? Sure.
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Okay. I watched that movie a ton when I was, like, 8, 9 years old and I didn’t realize how much that movie has had an influence on me until I watched it last night. Okay. So alright. For Furious Styles, a lot of his stuff about not letting financial institutions buy up all the stuff in your communities.
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Obviously, he’s talking about black people in LA and not, you know, white people and, you know, rural small town Meh. But I was like, oh, like, that’s that’s maybe the first place that I ever heard this idea where he talks about, like, the importance of fatherhood, the importance of especially young boys having a father in the home.
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It’s like I got that from Boys in the Hood and obviously spoke to me when I was a kid because I grew up at the time and I didn’t have my much of a relationship with my ai. And it’s it’s interesting, man. He makes this observation meh being racist. He’s criticizing the SAT for being culturally biased, but then he says the only part that isn’t culturally biased is the math.
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And it’s ai, oh, this is like a black nationalist in the mid eighties because that’s that’s kind of the philosophy of this movie is what you might call like old school black leftism. This movie in the 19 eighties is saying something that I I wish a lot of white liberals would hear today, which is actually math is not racist.
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It’s what Well It’s one of the things that’s, like, not meh definitively not racist is math and numbers. You guys are losing your damn minds.
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Well, math is racist is one of those ones where you it’s it’s ai if you heard that in a cocktail party ai like, what? Like, if someone behind you was saying meh is racist, you’d be like, what the we gotta get out of here, honey.
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No. I’d I’d I’d say I wanna go I want one of what they’re having. I wanna hang out with those guys.
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That’s my so then okay. By the way, this is my
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the you know, an act of bipartisanship. The one thing that Republicans, man, that we’re really I think we got really wrong in the last few years is the anti Hunter Biden stuff. I wanna go hang out with Hunter Biden. I mean, I may be the only Republican. That dude that dude, he was ai, Hunter Biden
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is out there. The writing talent. That guy went hard. You gotta give it to him.
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I would bet I would bet a $100 that Hunter Biden is voting for Donald Trump for president.
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It well, it doesn’t seem like he likes his dad. It seems like
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he wants dad I might I might bet $20 on his dad voting for Donald Trump for president. Was it last night after the garbage comment? Oh, yeah. You know, that guy is trying to help Donald Trump. You’re you’re we’re gonna win. I think we’re gonna win. But after we win, I’m gonna be convinced that Joe Biden was trying to help us the whole time.
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Well, here’s what on the MAGA hat. The MAGA hat was crazy. That was crazy. When he put on the MAGA hat in front of those guys and they all cheered and he insisted on keeping the hat, they took it with him, I think he’s very very resentful that he got ousted in what was essentially a coup.
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Yeah. And And I’d love to know what what happened there, by the way.
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Love to know what I have to use the restroom, but we’ll come back. Let’s talk about that because Alright. Sounds good. Support. I just have a peek. I’ll be right back. So the the the wildest thing about the laptop was that they were able to suppress it from social media. And Really wild.
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When I discussed that with Zuckerberg and he openly admitted it, that the FBI ai him and told him that it was Russian disinformation. And, like, that was one of those things ai he was saying I was like, yo. I was like, this guy’s, like, just saying this.
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Yeah. And I remember when that episode came out because it, like, it reverberated across American politics like crazy. Yeah. Holy shit. He just said the thing that we all suspected for a very long time.
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And if it wasn’t for Elon purchasing Twitter and then finding out how much of an influence they were having on this and that they were, in fact, silencing something that they knew to be correct under a lie under a lie, and 51 former intelligence agents signed off on this.
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Right.
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It was ai, how did you how did they pull that off? Like, just pulling pulling that off is really ai. And the fact that there’s no outrage from the left Yeah. That the left was ai, it’s fine because it’s our ai, and Trump is evil, and he’s Hitler. We gotta get rid of him. So let’s just lie about this laptop.
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And no consequences?
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Nothing.
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Right? The same people that pushed it or still.
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And ai the way, they still all
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have security clearances, I believe, which is gonna change when we win. But, I mean, also, this is this is where I always get pissed about the media conversation around what happened in 2020 is what they’ll do is they’ll they’ll they’ll sort of find the craziest conspiracy theory about what happened in 2020.
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They’ll debunk it and say, oh, look. This this thing this shows that nothing bad happened in 2020. There’s a nonpartisan organization that actually looked at what would have happened to Americans’ votes if they had just known the truth about the fact that Joe Biden fundamentally bryden his political influence for money.
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Like, that’s what it was. It’s sai it’s a old fashioned American corruption story. I will give you access to powerful people in exchange for money. Right? That was the true scandal of the Hunter Biden laptop. Again, it wasn’t Hunter Biden doing cocaine with a stripper.
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That was the
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fun part. You can say that. I have an election to win. So that was the real
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sai. Corruption.
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It was the corruption, and it was nonpartisan and and and direct evidence of the of the corruption. And the nonpartisan organization said that knowledge, which was suppressed by the entire American media and big tech scene, that would have changed millions upon millions of votes.
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And we know that the number in 4 swing states was 88,000 votes that were the difference between Donald Trump and Joe Biden winning the 2020 election. So set to the side all of the other arguments about fraud and all the other rule changes that happened in the midst of COVID, we know that Big Tech colluded with our own sort of, I would say, colluded.
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The one thing I’ll say about Zuckerberg is and I like, I don’t know him super well. I’ve never had a problem with him. But I do wonder if it’s a convenient excuse. I don’t doubt that the FBI said, hey. This is Russian disinformation.
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But these companies still have to take some agency over this too. Right? So I think it was both the corruption of the FBI and the intelligence services, but also the big technology companies themselves. Both of them are at blame. And I think, fundamentally, if they had not done what they did, Donald Trump would’ve won another term as president of Ai States.
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You’ll you’re never gonna be able to convince me that if millions upon millions of swing voters knew the evidence of Joe Biden’s corruption and it was staring them in the face, that we would not have been able to to pull that one out.
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Well, Zuckerberg has gotten really into mixed martial arts. He’s gotten really into jujitsu and really into training, and there’s very few things that will turn you into a conservative more than martial arts training. Like every there’s no way to get ahead other than hard work.
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Well, have you seen all these studies, that basically connect testosterone levels in young men with conservative politics?
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah. So maybe that’s what’s going on.
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Well, it’s there’s a certain amount
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ai the Democrats want us all to be, you know, poor health and overweight is because that means that you’re gonna be no. It means we’re gonna be more liberal. Right? If you if you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal. That’s an interesting observation.
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Well, I think there’s, like, socially liberal, like, live and let live, do whatever you want as long as you’re not hurting anybody, which is really what I am. And then the reality Yeah.
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These labels get all confused. Right? Yep.
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And this is where it gets sort of conflated, like, the reality of hard work being a virtue. Yes. And this has always been a conservative ai. Is that you’re you’re really supposed to, like, make your mark in this world and get up in the morning and work hard.
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Absolutely. And you should
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be proud of that. Yes. The only way to get good at jujitsu is hard work. Yes. So everybody who really trains hard and gets good Yeah. Has a certain level of a just a true understanding of the real relationship that the actual the mathematical equation of focus, time, energy, and discipline versus positive results. Yep.
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And there’s only one way to excel. There’s no other way to excel That’s right. At martial arts other than training hard. So it’s kinda normal that he’s becoming, like, leaning more libertarian and wearing hoodies now.
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Yes. No. My my my secret Look a little jacked. My secret theory is is that Zuck is now a Trump supporter, but he can’t say that publicly, of course. But, hopefully, he is.
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Really difficult to say that now. That’s why guys like Bill Ackman and Chamath and all the all these people that stand out
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It’s taken real courage. It’s taken real Yeah. And I I like both of those guys because they really do
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real courage. Get excommunicated. Absolutely.
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They
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do. Cocktail parties are a mess after that in Marin County. They think you’re a Nazi. And
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that’s that’s putting it mildly. But yeah. I mean, like, you know, one of my closest friends in the tech world is David Sacks, and Dave and I have talked about this because we were both like it’s it’s funny. We were both sort of critical of Trump in 2016, but we came, you know, with that criticism from a right of center perspective.
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And both of us ai 2020 were like, this crazy bullshit has to end. Trump is our ai. And maybe not only is he our guy, but maybe he was, like, the only one who could have turned the tide against this insanity. And David, I mean, he has become so far out there, and I admire it in a lot of ways.
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But then sometimes I see what David says, and I’m like, dude, are you gonna be, like, welcome in
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Like, what is he saying? In your neighborhood? Well, I mean, have you ever interviewed David Sacks?
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No. No. Well, I mean, he’s he’s just look. He’s he’s very antiwoke. He’s very, very into foreign what I would call foreign policy realism. Like, why are we starting these stupid wars all over the world? We should be our foreign policy should be more pro peace. And it it’s just crazy to me because he’s he’s so inflammatory about it that I’m and by the way, I love it. Right?
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I’ll you know, I I agree with with what a lot of what David sai. And even when I disagree, I know he’s a smart ai, but he is just saying, look. I don’t give a shit. If you’re gonna come after me, come after me. But I’m gonna say what’s on my ai.
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And I think, you know, a lot of people are going in that direction, which is fundamentally a good thing, is people are sick of being told what to think. Ai, like, the First Amendment, obviously, it’s a it’s a legal document that talks about the role of government and censorship and sort of prohibits government censorship, but it’s also a sort of ethic and an attitude that is endemic or I I hope is to, American society, which is we’re gonna think what we want.
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We’re gonna say what we want to. That’s an important First Amendment value even though it has nothing to do with the First Amendment as a legal document vatsal. And a lot of people arya sick of being told what to think.
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I was very upset when Tim Walsh was saying that the first amendment doesn’t apply to hate speech and misinformation. Like, especially those two terms, hate speech and misinformation, because hate speech They’re in the
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eye of the beholder.
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Right. Marks are moving as to what’s called hate speech now. It’s moving further and further away from normal ram that an 11 year old should not get gender transition drugs, that is hate speech according to a significant
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subset of the left.
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Yeah. If you call Caitlyn Jenner, Bruce Jenner, that’s hate speech.
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A lot of people say that’s hate hate speech.
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And you used to get banned for life from Twitter for deadnaming someone Yes. Which is just banal.
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Which is totally banal.
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You can call him a cunt, but you can’t you can’t
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you can’t call him Bruce.
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The whole thing is so crazy. Yeah. It’s just it and But
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it it it like, I I think that this is and, look, I try not to be too partisan because I know a lot of people watch your show, but this is to me the biggest and most fundamental difference between Kamala and President Trump and the campaign is, you know, whether it’s Biden calling people garbage or Tim Walz calling people fascists and Kamala calling people Nazis or endorsing explicit censorship, we’re not trying to censor our fellow Americans. Right? We’ll attack Kamala sana her policies and her ideas, but we’re not trying to say you should be silenced because you disagree with us.
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That is anathema to everything that I believe in. And that is what’s happened in the in the modern Democratic Party, at least the leadership level, is they’ve gotten really comfortable with the idea of silencing people who disagree with them such to the point where like, it’s not even that Tim Walz thinks that hate speech should be censored.
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It’s that the governor of a state could utter that phrase without recognizing how fundamentally subjective it is. Right? We’re in or Hillary Clinton saying that we want to censor misinformation. She has come out and explicitly said that we have to censor disinformation and misinformation. Total control.
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Ai, hey. You’re not supposed to
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have a problem. Control. Exactly. That’s the whole point. That’s the whole point.
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We don’t
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want people to have total control, and they they can utter it without the American media going completely bananas just suggests there’s something broken about the political culture of the left. I mean, there are people on CNN and, you know, CBS and all these other sort of mainstream networks. Ai call them corporate networks.
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All these corporate networks that will say, you know, when Donald J. Trump says that if you ai after the election, you’re the enemy of the people or you’re an enemy within. Like, that is a major threat to democracy. But Hillary Clinton’s saying that we should censor disinformation. They’re just, yeah, no no big deal.
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And the fact that they can get so fired up about what I think is a pretty common sense observation that if you riot, law enforcement should have a response to it, but they think that it’s the end of the they they they don’t care at all.
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Ai don’t
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care at all when Hillary Clinton and Tim Walz endorsed explicit censorship. That should scare the hell out of us.
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It should scare the hell out of you whenever any politician is encouraging censorship. Yes. Especially when it’s about things, like we sai, about hate speech and misinformation. Like, misinformation according to who? Because we’ve already shown that there’s there’s a bunch of different factors that have control over what is presented as factors that have control over what is presented as fact.
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Yes. And they’re not always honest or accurate. And these things get put out and it harms people, and then there’s some sort of a correction that comes along. Well, the only way to find that out, especially, like, during the COVID times, these things that they called misinformation, how many of them turned out to be true?
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Almost all of them.
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It’s crazy.
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The Wuhan lab. It was racist racist to assume that the when John Stewart did that bit on Colbert. Did you see that?
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I have never seen it, though.
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It’s amazing because you see Colbert ram, and he’s trying to, like and John’s, like, do you think maybe the lab that was the Wuhan coronavirus lab that, like, maybe it came from there.
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Ai, it was it was so obvious. I mean, the the whole argument for the start of COVID that wasn’t from the Wuhan lab was basically as I understood it that a bat had gotten a weird coronavirus and had, like, fallen into a guy’s soup at a wet, you know, at a wet was involved.
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Yeah. Sai much stupidity involved in it.
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Like, that was more believable than there’s the Wuhan coronavirus lab. And, yeah, I I remember when, you know, Tom Cotton was the first major American politician to talk about this. You know, Tom’s like a a good friend, and he was immediately pilloried as this terrible racist.
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And, you know, it’s just it’s bizarre that we’re not allowed to talk about things in the United States of America. I will sai, I think it’s gotten better. This is one of the my my more optimistic views is, you know, when we’re all locked in our houses in the summer of 2020, I think that did weird things psychologically to everybody.
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Agree.
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And I think that a lot of people rebelled against it, and we’re probably in a better position now in 2024. Like, Chamath would not have come out. I love Chamath. Would not have come out for Donald Trump in 2020. Right. Right? Now he’s hosting fundraisers and giving 100 of 1,000 of dollars to to our campaign.
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So I I think the fact that you have so many old school liberals and old school leftists sai, we’re done with this bullshit is actually a pretty good sign. Yeah. There’s still social consequences to it, but not nearly as high as they were 4 years ago.
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Well, I think when Elon purchased Twitter, it changed the entire game. Because now you have this Ai West uncensored version of social media that’s run by this super genius madman who has all the money in the world. That’s right. It’s a crazy I mean, it’s really without him, we’re in a lot of trouble.
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Because let’s say Twitter never gets purchased, they run the sai way they’ve run it in the past where they’re being influenced by whatever companies and whatever agencies decide to remove posts or remove people and ban Donald Trump and ban a bunch of different conservatives and ban a bunch of people that were out cast and just they just decided they were controlling the discourse.
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Well, then you have no outlets other than That’s right. Tyler, and we discussed this yesterday. Those outlets 100% got infested by bots where Absolutely. The where they’re putting Nazi stuff up and, like, oh, this is a Nazi site. But, no, you’re the not you put it up there. Yeah. Exactly.
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You’re you poisoned it. Exactly. Instead of it being just a place where conservatives can go and talk about things and not be censored like they were on Twitter, then they get infiltrated with all this hate shah, and then it becomes a hateful place, and they don’t even wanna go.
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So now they’re homeless.
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That’s right.
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01:50:46
Well, now all of a sudden Twitter comes saloni. Elon comes along and has this complete shift in how he’s viewing this attack on free speech. Then you have Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi. They go into the Twitter files. They find, like, oh my god. Yeah. Like, this is this is unconstitutional.
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This is industrial scale censorship is what it was.
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And they weren’t right. They they did all this stuff, and it turned out that all the things they were saying were either lies or were incorrect. Correct. And there’s no repercussions. And so you’re seeing all this in real time, and no one on the left has any problem with it, which to me is insanity.
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01:51:24
And the people that do have a problem with it, their solution seems to be to just go to the right. They don’t even feel like you can reform the left. Mhmm. They just people are just ai Tulsi Gabbard becomes a Republican. Yeah. People are just abandoning this.
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Like, I can’t Yeah. Talk to you people. That’s
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right. I’m doing an event with Tulsa Gabbard tonight in Pennsylvania. I love her. I love her. She’s awesome. And, yeah, I think she basically decided the the left cannot be reformed in this country anymore. That’s what happened with Bobby Kennedy. That’s what’s happened with a lot of old old school liberals is they say, yeah.
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You know, we don’t care what you do in your bedroom, but we but we believe in the fundamental right of people to speak their ai, and the Democrats just don’t believe in that anymore. And I I Ai thought a lot about, like, what’s, you know, what what is going on there and what’s driving it sai.
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And I I think that I think what’s going on is the entire modern Democratic Party grew up in an era where there was consensus. Right? Walter Cronkite could say something about the Vietnam War, and turned out he’s probably right about that actually. And it collapsed public support for the Vietnam War, where they grew up in in in America where social social trust was just so much higher.
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And I think that a lot of them are trying to reimpose that social trust on ram the top, not recognizing that that high level of social trust came organically
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Right.
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From the way that American society worked. And if you have people trying to reimpose it from the top, it actually degrades the very thing that you’re trying to create. Because I’ve seen, I mean, family members of mine who got really radicalized because they were like, wait a second. Should we be masking 3 year olds in our schools?
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01:52:58
Like, does that do something to their language development? And then they would get kicked off of Facebook because a a person with 900 Facebook friends who has no public profile dared to, like, question the prevailing narrative. And again, they ended up being right about it. I actually think that what the left is doing is degrading social trust by trying to create it from on high.
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01:53:19
And I kinda get the psychological impulse because, you know, like, a lot of great things that we do come from high levels of social trust, but you’ve gotta reestablish it organically. You can’t try to force it on people.
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01:53:31
And there’s been some course correcting. Like, did you read, Bezos’ article? Was it yesterday that came out ai The Washington Post?
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I did see that. What did
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you think of that?
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I mean, I I go back and forth. Like, again, I I don’t know Jeff super well. I’ve always liked meh interactions with him. But the problem with The Washington Post is not that their editorial page has been insufficiently conservative. It’s that their entire journalism department is fundamentally engaged in democratic political activism.
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01:53:58
I mean, the the 2 we talk about this a lot and, you know, my political guys are you know, a lot of them are outside and certainly that a lot of them will watch. But we talk a lot about which of the newspapers that have really gone crazy. And The New York Times is kind of an exception. Yeah.
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01:54:10
It’s very left wing, but it hasn’t totally gone insane. The Washington Post might as well be a propaganda outlet of the Democratic Party. If you look from the Hunter Biden laptop to any number of stories where they just tow the left wing line almost instinctively. The problem was with the journalism at The Washington Post. It’s not with the editorials. I don’t care, frankly, whether the editorial page endorses Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.
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01:54:38
I care about whether the the journalists are lying about Donald Trump or lying about Kamala Harris. And frankly, they’re lying a lot in the negative direction about my running mate, and they’re lying a lot in the positive direction about Kamala Harris. So what I would like to see from Jeff Bezos is a commitment to The Washington Post not just being a Democrat Super PAC.
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01:54:56
I don’t give a shit if he hires a few more conservative columnists. It doesn’t matter. What matters is do they hold their journalism to anything like a high standard? And if they don’t do that, then to me, it’s just win addressing.
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01:55:09
But it seems like that’s a at least a step in the right direction.
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01:55:12
Fair. Fair. Like, one thing that ai
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01:55:14
be great, you have an argument against Donald Trump on the front page next to an argument for Donald Ram, and let 2 different intelligent people state their cases, one from a conservative perspective, one from a liberal perspective, and let’s see what what resonates with you.
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01:55:31
It’s a step in the right direction. I I just think that unless you change the underlying, you know, journalism to make it more fair, it’s it’s gonna be only a step in the right direction rather than fixing the problem.
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01:55:41
What else can he do? I mean, he’s probably pretty busy on his yacht hanging out with his girlfriend with ai shirts on. How does he have the time? You know? I mean, he can’t go into the office and, like, read everybody’s work.
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01:55:53
Okay. So let let me give you an example. There is a there’s a journalist by the name of Matt Boyle who writes at Breitbart. Do you know Matt Boyle? Yeah.
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01:55:59
I do.
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Of Matt? Okay. So Matt is even though he writes for Breitbart, and I know that most people assume that Breitbart is just this, like, right wing rag, Matt is he has one of the best contacts of journalists in in Washington. Like, he knows what’s gonna happen in the country before most left wing journalists because he talks to the liberals. He talks to the conservatives.
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01:56:21
He has allies on Capitol Hill. I’d love to see The Washington Post hire a guy like Matt Boyle and say, Matt, go and do what you’re gonna do. And, obviously, it’s not gonna be able to have the a political bias to it, but go and investigate. If you wanna go and investigate Kamala Harris’ campaign, go and do it.
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01:56:37
But that is what it would look like is empowering conservative and independent journalism in the same way that Jeff Bezos has empowered left wing journalism. If I see that happening, then I’ll be a little bit more optimistic about about his stewardship.
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01:56:50
Well, could you imagine if there’s the same sort of scrutiny on Kamala’s speeches and appearances in these media outlets as there is on Trump’s?
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Oh my god.
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Like, one of the things that we talked about was how they edited that one, answer that she she was asked, like, what, you know, about foreign policy. Yeah. Yeah. They edited it completely. And I I wasn’t aware that they put an answer for a completely different question there.
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01:57:18
Well, okay. So I I I think that what happened there having done some ai to understand a little bit better is they basically just edited her answer down a lot so that she didn’t sound like a total insane person. Because what aired, I think, on the smaller, you know, the the the what aired on the channels online that had a smaller pickup
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01:57:40
Was the rambling.
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Was the rambling. The word salad. But what actually aired on the news programs was I mean, it still didn’t sound very good, but it sounded a hell of a lot better. Let me let meh give you a very good example
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ram this.
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Okay. So
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really not the answer. So It’s like they changed the answer.
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But let me see let me see what yeah. No. You’re right. They changed the answer, but I just sana find the statistic from from my team because I asked them this last night. So they did change the answer, and they changed in a way to protect her. Yeah. And then importantly, they refused to to to release the transcript. Right?
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01:58:10
So my attitude would be just release the transcript. Let people see what she actually said Right. So that you would at least have some integrity as a journalistic outlet. But okay. So here here’s you, of course, I’m sure paid attention to the kerfuffle over a comedian at the Trump rally at MSG.
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01:58:26
I think you even know this guy. Right?
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01:58:28
He’s a good friend of mine.
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Okay. Yeah. Tony Hips Club. So so he tells he tells a joke about, you know, Puerto Rico. The number of mentions on CNN about this joke in the last 48 hours, this was as of last night, 143 on MSNBC 101, on ABC 53, on NBC 32, and on CBS 31. In 2 days, they talked about that joke effectively nonstop. You know what it means to have 31 mentions on NBC News about this particular thing?
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01:58:59
That is a crazy that is saturation. Last night, Joe Biden called the half of America that’s gonna vote for Donald Trump garbage. Do you think that the word garbage is gonna appear on CNN a 141 times over the next 2 days? No. I would bet no. Now what’s the difference?
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01:59:17
Well, one difference is that it was a comedian telling a joke, and it’s the president of the United States telling what he actually thinks. Another difference is, again, it’s a comedian with, at best, a tenuous connection to the Trump campaign. And on the other hand, you have the actual sitting president at a vice presidential campaign event telling the vice president or sorry.
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01:59:40
Telling the entire country at an event sanctioned by the Kamala Harris campaign that half of Americans are garbage, and I guarantee the media is not gonna cover this in the same way. I mean, here let let me I don’t know if Jamie can bring this up, but I tweeted about this last night that Politico, when they have initially tried to write the story about what had been said by Joe Biden, they said that Biden had called racism against Puerto Ricans garbage.
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02:00:08
Well, who disagrees with that? I think that racism against Puerto Ricans is garbage, but that’s not what he said. He said that Trump’s supporters are garbage. He said it’s on video. So Politico tried to, like, retcon this.
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It turned out there was a video sai we could actually see for ourselves what was actually sai, but the amount of dishonesty in the American media really is off the charts.
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It is, but also with Joe Biden, I think at this point in time, he’s literally that crazy guy on the porch yelling at the neighbors. I mean, he’s no one thinks he’s there, which is also one of the fascinating things when they asked her when did you know that he was mentally impaired, and why didn’t you talk about it earlier?
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And there’s this Joe Biden has always done the amazing work that Joe Biden does. It’s just ai this law. It’s like, where are you going? Yeah. You wanna get the, like, the lights that they use in the air traffic controller, like, come this way. I got this. Like, I’ll pry her out.
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Do you think she wears a earpiece? I wouldn’t be surprised. I know. The earpiece one was amazing. But maybe she just Bluetooth thing, the ear earring.
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It’s astonishing. She talks. The only way I can describe it is she talks in circles.
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Yeah.
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Right? It’s it’s like
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Tim Dillon says it’s like she does gypsy curses because she speaks in gypsy curses. That’s very good. But it’s you know, we
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we need to build an opportunity economy because if Americans don’t have opportunity
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Yeah.
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Then they’re not gonna have the opportunity to be Americans. And it’s, like,
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what the hell? The opportunity to generate wealth and generational wealth. Like, wait a minute. Do you know if few people generate generational wealth that means you have so much money, you’re gonna give it to other generations.
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02:01:51
But there’s there’s actually okay. I mean, I I give a lot of speak. So there’s actually a skill to this. I think that she is the Michael Jordan of using as many words as possible to say as little as possible. There’s actually a certain gift that she has because you listen to her talk and you you know, you’re a 100, 200 words into it.
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02:02:12
You’re 500 words into it, and you’re like, what the hell did she just say? She didn’t say anything.
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Right.
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And that actually I mean okay. So, yeah, there’s there’s a certain political skill in saying a lot without actually saying anything, but it actually worries me about her being president. Like, okay. There are all these substantive policy disagreements, and we could talk about, okay, I don’t like her border policies. I don’t like this. I don’t like that.
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02:02:35
But what does she do when she’s in a meeting with a world leader and she has to, like, know the details of public policy to negotiate with Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping? Like, what are the major things that you do as a president is you participate in economic negotiations. Like, what tariffs are we gonna apply on your goods unless you lower the tariffs on ours or vice versa? Right?
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02:02:58
You have to be able to know a little bit about your job to be the president of the United States, and I don’t know that she has an ounce of curiosity about public policy in this country. That’s what scares the hell out of me.
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02:03:09
Well, it’s just strange that everyone’s accepting that this person who is the least popular vice president ever is now the solution to the problem and that the media machine in just a few days did this 180 and just sold her as the solution. And as long as they keep her from having these conversations where she’s allowed to talk That’s
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right.
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They’re able to pull this off. And the the fact that it’s happening with no primary should be really concerning to people because that’s never happened before. They could have had a primary.
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02:03:42
Well, it’s also part of the process where you identify people’s flaws. You figure out what they’re good at, what they’re bad at. Like, the primary is actually a grueling process.
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02:03:50
How you handle pressure?
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How you handle pressure. Right? And we don’t really know how she’s handled pressure because she’s only done it for a little while. And if if you just look at Donald Trump’s public schedule, JD Vance’s public schedule versus Kamala Harris, dude, it is striking how little she does.
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02:04:04
There was an interview that she did. I think it’s the only really tough interview she’s done with Brett Baer of Fox News. I believe that she had a clear calendar for 2 days before she did this interview.
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And So
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you’re just prepping her? Just just prepping her. But, you know, how how can you actually you know, you that’s not pressure. If you could just take 2 days off for one single interview, that that’s not pressure. And and also just little things. I mean, look, there’s this story out there.
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02:04:31
To be clear, I have no idea if it’s true. But there is a woman who has gone on the record and said that Doug Emhoff, Kamala Harris’ husband, smacked her in the face in France. Okay? That’s been reported on the media. I’m sure you guys can find it if you want to. Okay. Again, maybe it’s not true. Maybe it is true.
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02:04:49
But these things take time to actually figure out and investigate. And here here is the thing. You know, you know this. I know this. Most people know this.
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If you are a domestic abuser, that usually doesn’t stop with 1 person. Like most domestic abusers are serial domestic abusers. Is it in the public interest to do some investigation about whether the White House, the President, could be sharing the White House with the person who is engaged in domestic abuse.
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02:05:15
That is in the public interest to know not only is the American media not that interested in it, but most importantly, you don’t have the time to really investigate some of these accusations. Meanwhile, every time somebody says anything about Donald Trump without an ounce of evidence, the American media picks it up and runs with and makes an entire news cycle totally incurious about what’s going on with Kamala Harris.
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02:05:36
But I think over time, what’s interesting is most people are becoming aware of this extreme bias, the difference in the scrutiny that’s applied to Trump.
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So that that’s right. But you you go back into this question you asked me about Jeff Bezos. This is why you need good reporters who have the investigatory skills, who are empowered by their employers to go out and do the investigations. Like, you know, your platform, you’re having more honest and open conversations than anything that’s happening in the corporate media.
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02:06:04
It’s, like, one of the reasons why I listen to your show, one of the reasons why I’m happy to be here. But you don’t have, like, a person working for you who’s gonna go to, like, France and talk to this woman and investigate whether this is true. This is why, you know, I’ve told Elon this, but, like, the most useful piece of philanthropy, if you’re a right of center American, would be to set up a nonprofit organization where you pay a really good reporter for 5 years.
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02:06:30
You give them complete job security and you just tell them, go off and investigate what’s going on in the world and and bring it back and and report on the truth. Because if you don’t have that, then that is where the media still has a fundamental advantage over us is they’ve got an army of people investigating me and Donald Trump.
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02:06:49
There’s no one really investigating Kamala Harris.
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02:06:51
Well, there’s also the amount of left wing media versus right wing media is pretty disturbing. Yeah. Like, what what what is the percentage of networks that lean left? CNN, clearly, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, and then you have Fox.
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Then you have Fox.
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02:07:10
And then you have a couple of online things, like NewsNation, what have you. But And and if you just the reach is much less.
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02:07:16
Reach is much, much less. And if you just look at I mean, you’re only you know, you and a few others are the only people who can compare with the actual platform size of an NBC or CBS. I mean, yeah, fewer people watch them now than they did 20 years ago. But if you look, man, like, you’re still getting 5 to 8000000 viewers every single night for each of the major networks on the nightly news. That’s incredible reach. Right?
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02:07:39
There’s still a lot of power there. And, you know, to your to your point about, like, the comparison, you know, Fox News, number 1, if you look at Fox News’ viewership compared to NBC’s, it just dwarfs NBC dwarfs it. But more importantly, in some ways is Fox News, which I do think is very important. But, yeah, they they have a right of center bias.
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02:08:00
Certainly, I will admit that. But if you look at how much Fox News is covering the left fairly versus the right, it’s much more balanced than, like, in NBC. Right? Like, NBC would never have an interview with Donald j Trump where the journalist is asking tough questions, but is, like, sitting down and broadcasting Donald Trump for an hour.
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02:08:21
Fox News would do that for Kamala Harris, and they did do that for Kamala Harris. And there’s a real difference there.
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02:08:26
Well, there’s also, like, the way Brett Briar, interviewed Baer, how ai Baer. Baer. Yeah. The way he interviewed Kamala Harris is very similar to the way he interviewed Donald Trump.
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Exactly. He’s Exactly.
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02:08:41
And nobody accused him of doing anything sneaky then. No. Or no one was even angry at
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02:08:46
him then. Well, because the expectation is that you’re gonna interrupt and you’re gonna fact check and you’re gonna try to actually do the job of an interviewer, But the expectation is that if you touch Kamala with anything other than kid gloves, you know, you’re not allowed to do that.
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02:09:00
But I think, again, I think most people are upset. It’s one of the reasons why the movement is sai, the movement towards Ram, they’re so enthusiastic. They’re so energetic. Absolutely. Because they do realize that there’s this imbalance and they don’t like it. And they they think that the only way this is gonna get fixed is someone who’s a complete outsider.
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02:09:22
And you can’t be more outsider than a guy who they’re literally turning the judicial system against him. They’re literally trying to prosecute him like a banana republic. They’re doing it over and over and over again and they’re doing it. They’re speaking about it openly. We’re gonna put him in jail. We’re gonna lock him up. Yeah.
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02:09:36
That way, we’re gonna keep him
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about it.
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Keep him from being in the office.
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02:09:38
Well, then, you know, I I I use this this analogy a couple ai publicly. But so what’s interesting to me about toddlers and, you know, I I’ve talked with Tucker Carlson about this. Toddlers lie in a way that’s very different from how everybody else lies. Right? So, like, if you’re telling a ai, normally, you know, hey hey.
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02:09:59
Did you do that thing? You would say, no. No. No. Some you know, some somebody else did it or they kinda ai a little bit.
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02:10:06
Let me give you an example. My 4 year old I’m a big baker. Probably surprised by that, but I’m a big baker. And, my 4 year old and I are making an Oreo cake a few weeks ago, and I, my 4 year old is helping me. He likes he likes to help me out a lot when I bake.
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02:10:21
And I go to the bathroom, and the Oreos that we’re supposed to put in the Oreo cake, like, crumble them up and put them in the cake, like, half of them are gone when I get back. And I’m like, buddy, what happened to the Oreos? And he looks at me and without a hint of irony or shame, he says, I didn’t eat the Oreos.
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02:10:36
You did. Right? So that’s the way that Kamala Harris lies is Sai didn’t eat the Oreos. You did. Not only does she actively brag and has her administration actively bragged about trying to arrest her political opponents, she will go out and say that if Donald Trump is the president, he’s gonna arrest his political opponents even though he already was president, and he didn’t do that.
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02:10:57
Did you see she went on Shannon Shah and said that he’s gonna take away your saloni amendment rights?
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02:11:01
It’s crazy. The the person who wants to who literally wants to confiscate firearms, Kamala Harris, is saying that Donald Trump wants to take away your second amendment rights. Dude, the the thing that okay. You know who Steve Bannon is?
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02:11:14
Yes.
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Okay. Fascinating guy.
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02:11:16
Did he just get out?
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He got out of prison yesterday. They have the audacity to say Sana Trump wants to jail his political opponents. Steve Bannon just got out of prison after a 4 year prison sentence yesterday. And ai the way, do you know what he was put in jail for? Do you know the actual charge? No. Contempt of Congress.
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02:11:34
Eric Holder, who was Obama’s attorney general, was found in contempt of Congress or at least was a you know, he he there there was Congress found him in contempt. It was never litigated. He was never tried to put in jail. There was no court case around it. The contempt of Congress that Steve Bannon engaged in is that the j 6 committee or one of these, you know, Banana Republic committees from the congressional Democrats, they issued him a subpoena.
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02:12:01
He, under the advice of his lawyers, felt that he couldn’t actually respond to the subpoena because executive privilege applied. They held him in contempt of congress, and they threw him in prison for it, a charge that has been levied against multiple Democrats. Republicans never tried to throw anybody in prison against it over it. Steve Bannon just got out of prison.
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02:12:21
Kamala Harris is literally using the power of government, has already used the power of government to jail her political opponents, and she’s saying that Donald Trump is gonna do the thing that he didn’t do and she did when they were in respective positions of power.
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02:12:34
Do you think it’s because they’re worried that if he gets into power and he gets back in the office, that he’s going to start investigating
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a lot
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02:12:42
of the stuff and the the 51 former intelligence agents?
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02:12:45
That’s exactly what they’re afraid of. They’re they’re afraid of consequences. They’re afraid of and look. Do I think the 51 intelligence agents who signed that letter should go to prison? No. But should they they be stripped of their security clearance? Absolutely. I do. Right?
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02:12:57
They lied. They used their position of authority and lied to the American people about something that was in the national interest. If there are no consequences for that, then what are we doing?
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02:13:06
And they’re probably very concerned with a trial that’s gonna reveal what the elements of that particular story really were. Like Oh,
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02:13:13
there there’s yeah. There’s a lot of corruption there. There are, I’m sure, higher ups. There are people who said one thing in public but said something else in private. There there probably is at some level of that whole thing people who maybe perjured themselves or at least unethically lied. Look.
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02:13:31
There there’s a lot going on there, but, you know, Donald Trump is not going out there and has never ai, I sana arrest you because you’re a Democrat. He’s never said, I wanna arrest you because you disagree with me. He’s never said, I wanna censor you even because you engage in disinformation.
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02:13:44
What he has said is that we should investigate some of the obvious sources of corruption in the United States government. That’s not going after your political opponents. That’s what Kamala Harris does, actually.
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02:13:54
Well, one of the things that he’s talked about pretty openly is that he could have gone after Hillary Clinton sana he didn’t because he thought it would look bad for the country. Yes. And it’s true. I mean, shah really could have. She did commit crimes.
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02:14:04
The FBI, a Democrat who’s supporting Kamala Harris, said that she committed, I think, not just crimes, but maybe felonies. She committed felonies, and what Donald Trump did is said, you know what? It’s bad for the country. A lot of my voters would love me to prosecute Hillary Clinton, but it’s bad for the country, so I’m not going to do it.
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02:14:21
That is the exact opposite, of course, of what Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have done. And, again, the the media, it’s a total upside down universe where they accuse us of doing the very thing that they’ve done themselves.
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02:14:33
Yeah. It’s really wild to watch. It’s the gaslighting is off the charts. So there’s there’s a bunch of things that people are, deeply concerned with in this country, and it seems like for men, it’s the economy. That seems like the primary thing that people are concerned with, And it seems like for a lot of women, it’s abortion. Sure.
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02:14:53
Abortion and Roe v Wade is a big concern. Yep. Now Ai if I’m correct, your position and this is what they wanted when they overturned Roe v Wade. They wanted to leave it in control of the states. Is this your position?
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02:15:08
Yeah. So what president Trump has said and what I sai is abortion is now a matter for state legislatures, state voters to determine. And there’s there’s I mean, one, that’s always what the argument was. Right? If Roe versus Wade goes away, then the state legislatures, the state populations are gonna make each individual abortion decision the same way that, like, you know, California has different laws on a whole host host of subjects vatsal Alabama does.
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02:15:35
The idea is that, yeah, California would make its own abortion policy. Alabama would make its own abortion policy. And I and so there’s there’s a basic sort of principle of federalism at work there. But I also think that, you know, knowing Donald Trump well, I think he’s motivated also by desire for us to just stop having a culture war over this particular issue and to let the voters in these states make these decisions while the national government focuses on things like lowering the cost of groceries and lowering the cost of housing and securing the southern border.
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02:16:05
And I think there’s actually some great wisdom in that because, you know, think about this. Abortion has not really been a political issue for 50 years. Now we say that it is, and, obviously, we disagreed about it and people thought about it. It was always something the Supreme Court sai, this is the way it is. There’s no political decision making.
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02:16:22
Every European nation has made abortion policy democratically, and that’s what Donald Trump is saying. Do what every European nation has done. Let the voters decide what their abortion policy is gonna be, and we’re gonna focus the national government on on different things.
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02:16:38
And I I I say this as somebody who you know, like, I I I genuinely, you know, want people to choose life. And I’m, you know, a big believer in families, and I think, you know, having children has been ai a revelatory experience for me. And I want our country to be more pro family, more pro child.
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02:16:53
I think there are all these things that we can do at the federal level to make our country more pro family and more pro child, you know, make childcare easier, you know, stop. I’ve actually sponsored legislation to stop the surprise medical bills that happen when people you know, I’ve I’ve seen this with my own wife.
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02:17:08
You go to the hospital, you come home, you’ve got a beautiful baby, but you also got a $20,000 unexpected bill because you choose the wrong, you know, the wrong out of network health care provider when you’re at the moment of delivering a baby. Like, there are all these things we can do to make it easier for young women, young families to choose ai.
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02:17:27
But Donald Trump, I think, wants abortion policy, and he said this explicitly to be decided at the state level.
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02:17:35
I’m not it it it’s not possible for me to get pregnant. So when I think about these things, according to some people, depends on who you ask. But I I think when when you talk When you
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02:17:46
get with the 21st century, man, it it’s possible for a man to get pregnant now?
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02:17:49
To for most people, I think one of the issues is for a lot of people. One of the issues is that men are making decisions for what women can ai and can’t do.
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02:17:59
I hear that.
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02:18:00
And one of the more concerning aspects of this is, like, sai, if you live in a state like Texas where there’s a a limit to when you can get an abortion. I think it’s, like, 6 weeks, which a lot of people think at that point in time, you can’t even tell whether or not you’re pregnant, and this puts a lot of women in, like, very vulnerable positions.
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02:18:17
And then there’s this thought that they could go to another state where it is legal and have an abortion, but they could be possibly prosecuted for that in their state. That that’s concerning to me that we can make if is it there’s a place in the country where it’s legal to have meh procedure and you live in a state where it’s not legal, that your state can decide what you can and can’t do with your body, which is essentially based on a religious idea.
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02:18:47
And a lot of the and Ai not criticizing it one way or another, but I’m saying that a lot of what this choose life thing is about that life is precious and life is sacred and life begins at the moment of conception. And some people agree with this, but other people disagree with this. And it seems to be, a lot of it is based in religion.
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02:19:06
My concern is using that to dictate whether or not a person can legally travel to another state with I don’t think the government should be monitoring where you travel or what you do when you travel as long as that thing is legal. Mhmm. And I’m concerned with this idea that you could be prosecuted for it in your state for doing something that’s legal somewhere else.
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02:19:29
I don’t like the idea, to be clear. I’ve I’ve not heard of this maybe as a as, like, a possibility, but not as something that actually exists in the in the law. But I’ve not heard of somebody being arrested, and I don’t like the idea of arresting people for I
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02:19:42
haven’t heard of them doing either. Ai heard
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02:19:44
of I’ve heard of the discussion. Is a threat that Yes. I feel like Sai don’t like the idea to be clear of people getting arrested for freely moving around the country.
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02:19:52
Right.
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02:19:52
Sai think so to your point about it being a religious idea, I mean, I would say I know a number of non religious people who are very pro ai. And I think the honest answer is that what we’re doing is we’re trying to figure out what is the right balance between autonomy and life.
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02:20:07
And I I say this as somebody who when Ohio made this decision, I campaigned very aggressively for the more pro life position in the state of Ohio, and my side lost. In fact, we got our asses kicked. We we lost 6040. And I I I took some I took some learning from that. I think the one of the things that I took as a as a as a learning as a guy who cares about this issue is Republicans, we’ve gotta earn the people’s trust because they don’t trust the idea that when we say that we’re pro family, we don’t just mean pro birth.
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02:20:39
A lot of people say you’re pro birth, but you’re not actually pro family. And I think there’s a lot that we can do as, you know, Republicans to try to earn back the trust of the American people. But if I’m trying to represent as as fairly as I can the pro choice and the pro life position, here’s what I think is really going on is you have something.
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02:20:58
Now some people would say maybe religiously motivated and maybe not that it’s a human life. I would say that it’s a human life, but vatsal least has the potential to be human life. And then on the other hand, you have, again, I fee freely recognize this. You have a woman who wants to make a choice about what she wants to do with with her own body.
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02:21:15
Those are 2 very profound values, both of which I think are value are valuable. Right? I mean, I think autonomy is really important. I also think life is really important. And what we’re trying to talk about fundamentally, I ai, again, I’m trying to be fair to both sides here, is to balance the interest in life against the interest in autonomy.
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02:21:33
And I think that the way to do that, at least my view, is to let the American people debate and talk about and argue about this issue and come to this decision on a state by state basis. And, again, California, Florida, Ohio, Alabama, we’re all have different solutions to this particular problem, but that’s what we’re trying to do. Right?
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02:21:56
People like me are trying to say, look. I think life really matters, and other people are trying to say, I think autonomy really matters. And the truth is that 95 of Americans would probably say there’s some way to strike the balance in the middle. You know, where most of Europe has ended up here and it’s actually striking because you think of Europe again as a more socially liberal place in America.
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02:22:15
Almost every place in Europe has ended up effectively where late term abortion outside of cases of medical necessity is banned ai, and then, you know, early stage abortion is allowed. That’s how most societies that democratically settle on this. That’s how they strike the balance. I think my attitude is I’m running for vice president.
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02:22:36
I’m not trying to tell you how to strike the right balance, but we wanna preserve the right of states to make these decisions.
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02:22:41
I think what people are afraid of is men telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies.
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02:22:46
That’s the autonomy value. Yeah. I get it, man. Sai ai, I I get it. And I think that there there is a very real and valid argument here that autonomy should take precedence here. But I also think if we’re being honest, there is an argument that life matters too, and that’s that’s the balance that people are trying
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02:23:04
to do. Very complex, and people don’t wanna look at it that way. I I always discuss when I I talk about abortion, I say it’s one of these very human issues where it’s very strange, where most people think, like, at the moment of conception, if you could just remove those cells and keep them from multiplying, that’s less bad than if you wait 6 months.
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02:23:25
Right.
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02:23:25
Like, almost everybody would agree to that. So what are we doing then? Ai, what it like, build or upgrade it. Yeah. You seem to resonate it. It’s a very good
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02:23:32
bit. Fantastic. And there is a moral intuition there that obviously, like, something that looks and feels like a baby is more valuable than
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02:23:39
Right.
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02:23:39
You know, something that’s just looks like
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02:23:40
a soft heartbeat.
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02:23:41
Something that has a heartbeat. Sure. But I but I, you know, I think the the the the it’s just hard. Right? Because it’s not clear to me philosophically where you draw the line here. It’s a very, like, hard question to figure out, and I think that’s why people debate it and disagree with about it so vociferously. But it’s it’s interesting, man.
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02:23:59
The the thing that I find, again, as a person who leans more in the pro life side of this debate is okay. So you will sometimes hear people on the left say, well, late term abortion doesn’t happen. Well, there’s an organization called the Guttmacher Institute. It’s a pro choice organization.
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02:24:16
It’s a pro, you know, abortion rights organization. And they found that there are approximately I think it’s 12,000 abortions that happen in the second half of pregnancy. So this is past 20 weeks. Maybe it’s even past 22 weeks. About 12,000 abortions past 22 weeks. Okay?
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02:24:34
They also found that of those, 8,000 of them are purely elective. There’s no medical necessity. There’s no, like, you know, the baby has some genetic abnormality. It’s just pure elective late term abortion. I don’t know how we can’t get consensus that that is not good.
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02:24:50
Right.
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Right?
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02:24:51
Right.
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But come on. And in fact Especially
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02:24:54
when it’s not a medical necessity.
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02:24:55
Exactly. Every European nation has gotten to that point where you say, okay. Like, 8,000 late term abortions. Like, come on. But, again, it’s not my decision as the vice president or and and that’s not president Trump’s view. He’s very against the national abortion ban because he he wants this debate to happen organically and democratically. And I think that’s that’s kind of our our attitude to this.
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02:25:18
Now you’re you’re right. Again, there is a balance to strike here, but usually in American society where it recognized the the way to strike that balance is to debate it as citizens and not to have, like, lawyers and judges make these determinations for us.
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02:25:33
Believe it or not, Joe Biden had one of the most logical takes on it a long time ago. A long time ago, back when he could talk right there.
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02:25:38
When his brain wasn’t fried.
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02:25:39
And he he said abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
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02:25:43
Well, that was my grandmother’s view. Right? That was my grandmother’s view. That was the Bill Clinton view. Yeah. And I I do think that there’s something that is really weird about this whole debate where, you know, thank god, to be clear, this is not true of the gross majority of our pro choice citizens.
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02:25:58
But you do sometimes see people, like, they’ll go on TikTok and they’ll celebrate having an abortion. Yeah. Like, I’ve known many, many women, usually when I was younger, who chose to have abortions because they felt like they didn’t have any other options. And, you know, I don’t I don’t judge them.
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02:26:16
I think that a lot of them just felt like they were completely trapped, and they made the decision that was ultimately right for them. Again, my argument is we need to try to gain those women’s trust back because clearly the Republican party on this issue has lost a lot of trust, but none of them were, like, baking birthday cakes and posting about it afterwards.
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02:26:35
Right.
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02:26:36
They recognize that this is a medical procedure and this is, you know, something that they felt they had to do. But celebrating something like that is just bizarre to meh. And I I’d I’m much more comfortable with the people who say safe, legal, rare than I am with the people who say let’s shadow abortion from the rooftops.
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02:26:55
Well, it’s just this rebellion thing, you know, and it’s also rebellion. Like, the the concept in the zeitgeist is that abortion had always been, you know, Roe v Roe v Wade, always been the law of the land, and then all of a sudden that was taken away. And you have these religious men who are trying to dictate what women can and can’t do with their bodies.
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02:27:14
Yeah. Yeah. No. Look. I mean, again, I I understand that. I understand the the the pushback against that, but I I think you can go, like, with so many other issues. You can go way too far about it, and it becomes trying to celebrate something that at the very best, if you grant, I think, every argument of the pro choice side, it is a neutral thing, not something to be celebrated.
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02:27:34
I think there’s very few people that are celebrating, though. Ai the extreme Ram 100%. Weirdos, the TikTok
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02:27:38
It’s like it’s like everything. Right? Where and I and I try you know, this is something that that is dangerous about social media is the the danger of social media with me is not to me that I live in my own echo chamber and just have views reinforced. The danger is that I’m only exposed to the crazy people on the other side
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02:27:58
Right.
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02:27:58
Who make me make it easier for me to adopt my own worldview because I’m saying, oh, it’s just people celebrating. When in reality, you know, like like you said, most American women, even those who are pro choice, are not celebrating this thing.
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02:28:12
I think that’s one of the insidious things about the social media algorithm is that it highlights things that people engage with The
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02:28:19
more outrageous.
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02:28:20
Which is more outrageous, more things that they find reprehensible. They see more of it. I see so many guys with makeup telling me they’re gonna take your kids and indoctrinate your kids. Like, why am I saying that? Well, it’s because they’re highlighting it. And when you have an app that’s owned by China, that is the number ai app. Is that a coincidence?
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02:28:39
That’s, yeah, facilitating the worst of our fellow citizens because it allows us to silo more. But I I mean, the way that I deal with that is I I just try as hard as I can to remember that most Americans this is what really bothered me about what Biden said. Like, most Americans who vote for Kamala Harris are fundamentally good people. Like, I I believe vatsal.
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02:28:55
And you gotta try to find the people who are reasonable and talk to them. And that that’s why I talk about, you know, the importance of regaining trust is just I’ve had enough conversations with people who don’t like the Republican party’s even their perception of the Republican party’s views here that if you talk to reasonable people, you gain a different perspective than if you talk to the unreasonable people.
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02:29:16
So I think that A lot of people are only informed by headlines and by real quick things that they see on television, and so they form these narratives in their head, and this is what they’re operating off of.
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02:29:28
That’s absolutely right.
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02:29:29
And this is why they have this weird perception of both Republicans and of Ram. And then they start throwing these terms around ai fascism and white supremacy sana, well, of course, you don’t like fascism. Of course, you don’t like white supremacy. You can’t be a Republican. Right. And then next thing you know, you’re on the other side, and you don’t like, how did you get me?
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02:29:46
You railroaded me, you fucks. Ai. That’s And you guys ai you’re censoring my Facebook. What’s going on here? And it’s it’s there’s, you know, there’s not like a reasonable and that’s the the the one thing that I think the Republican Party has done poorly is, like, be a little bit more balanced in some of these controversial social issues.
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02:30:04
You know, like, the the one thing that people are worried about right after, Roe v Wade was gay marriage Yeah. And gay marriage laws. And people were thinking, well, it’s religion that overturned Roe v Wade, and religion is probably gonna overturn these may these gay marriage laws.
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02:30:21
And people are very terrified about that too.
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02:30:23
Yeah. And it was just which, obviously, that’s not something we’re trying to do, but it’s interesting to me that how much people focus on the religious element of it. Because if you go back to the Roe versus Wade debate, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who was a feminist icon and was very pro choice, she thought Roe versus Wade was terrible law.
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02:30:40
Why did sai think that?
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02:30:41
Because I mean, basically, because of the argument that often, you know, sort of Republicans will use about making it a state issue. Shah said, look. You can be pro choice as Ruth Bader Ginsburg was, but the avenue to make abortion policy should be legislatures, not judges.
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02:30:57
So it was a it was a procedural argument about how the constitution functioned where it’s funny, like, Ruth Bader Ginsburg actually agreed with Donald Trump that even if, you know, like, that this should be a state’s issue, that the state should make these decisions among their citizens.
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02:31:12
And it’s telling that that perspective is not illustrated or highlighted. But, look, I I understand, like, people who aren’t, you know, obviously a person of faith, they don’t want people of faith to force their values down to people who don’t agree with them. But I’m I’m sort of comfortable with every one of us kinda having our our zone.
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02:31:30
And within that zone, I don’t want people to come in and tell me what to do. Ai, in my home, I’d like to be able to raise my kids with my religious values, and I’d like to be able to teach my kids what I think. And you should be able to teach your kids what you think. And then we recognize that the more public the zone, the less that I can get to control what you do.
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02:31:49
And that’s part of living in a pluralistic ai, and I’m very comfortable with that. I think, unfortunately, the modern left seems to be less and less comfortable even with people of faith having their own private zone. Right? This is the trans thing where it’s, like, oh, we’re gonna take your kids away if you don’t consent to gender reassignment or, you know, we’re gonna tell you that you can’t send your kids to a religious school.
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02:32:10
You hear people say these things. Again, I think it’s the crazies. It’s not the majority of our fellow citizens. But part of living in a pluralist society is accepting that every man’s castle or every woman’s castle is his or her own. You’ve got to have respect for people within those castles, and then we should hopefully just have some common sense things that everybody can agree on when we’re talking about public spaces.
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02:32:34
I think for a lot of people, worst case scenario, when they start thinking about religious influence on the way they’re allowed to behave and the the the the way their state is governed. Worst case scenario is a state adopts Sharia law. This is worst case scenario. Yep. And I think all these people that would cry against the concept of Islamophobia Yep.
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02:33:01
Really need to understand what that means and what you’re talking about. And to say that that’s an outrageous and ridiculous idea that’s never gonna take place, it’s kind of already worked its way into some ai.
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02:33:13
It has.
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02:33:14
It has. It has. And there are is it is it Minnesota that has call to prayer? Like, is it Minneapolis?
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02:33:21
I I don’t know where I I know there is there is a place in Minnesota, I believe, where they prayer calls as a matter of local government. I do think that’s I do think that’s happening.
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02:33:30
That starts getting real weird. Yeah. Ai like that starts getting real weird. And when you have people that are openly saying our goal is and they’ve they’ve talked about this in Toronto. Yeah. Like activists have said, our goal is to outbreed everyone who is not Muslim and
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02:33:44
Scares the hell.
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02:33:45
Vote it out and and put Sharia law in place.
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02:33:48
Meh. That’s very scary.
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02:33:49
Women have to wear burkas. This is how it works.
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02:33:51
Yeah. Well and that’s I mean, that’s what what to me is so crazy about some of the hyper left wing reaction to, you know, the the idea that, like, somehow I wanna force every man, woman, and child to go to my church is ridiculous. I just don’t wanna do that. I’ve never had any interest in doing that.
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02:34:06
But where you see actual real religious tyranny is increasingly in Western societies where you’ve had a large influx of immigrants who don’t necessarily assimilate into Western values, but try to create, I think, a religious tyranny at the local level. And if you think that won’t happen at a national level, you’re you’re crazy.
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02:34:29
Did you ever read Douglas Murray’s book, The Strange Death of Europe?
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02:34:32
I haven’t read the whole thing, but I’ve I’ve read it in bits and pieces. He’s a smart guy.
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02:34:36
He got attacked so hard for that Yeah. Because he was really, like, an early sounder. He’s the par ribber of ai shit.
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02:34:41
Well, no. What what dude, one of the most controversial things I’ve ever said is what is the first Islam missed? Right? Because it’s important to separate. There are Muslims who are not Islamists. Right? Islamists are like theocrats.
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02:34:54
Right.
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02:34:54
Right? What is the first Islamist country that is gonna have a nuclear weapon? And I sort of joked. I said maybe it’s gonna be the United Kingdom because they’re so bad at assimilating sort of newer immigrants into their society. You you have definitely communities in the UK where local leaders are running explicitly on Sharia law and winning elections in cities that are in the United Kingdom. Right?
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02:35:25
This is England. This is, like, where America came from. Right? There’s a bunch of English, pilgrims who came to to to the United States. That to me is really crazy and really scary. And then, of course, everybody said, well, you know, Pakistan already has nuclear weapons.
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02:35:38
And my response is, well, Pakistan isn’t necessarily an Islamist country. It’s an Islamic country. They certainly have an Islamic government, and that’s the majority religion of the people. But Pakistan isn’t going and saying, we need to, like, conquer the infidels, at least their government isn’t.
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02:35:53
We need to conquer the conquer the infidels and force them to obey our laws. You see that more among some of the activists in the United Kingdom maybe than you do in in in certain Arab countries, and that’s crazy.
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02:36:05
It is crazy. But it it goes along with this thing that we’ve been talking about. I think essentially people have sort of a built in mode, a program in their mind that accepts religious doctrines. And these religious doctrines could be woke. It could be, you know, hardcore right wing conservative Christian meh, or it could be Islamic doctrine.
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02:36:28
But we
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02:36:29
Yeah. But this is why assimilation is so important. Right? Is that look. I’m married to the daughter of immigrants. I do think that immigration can enrich this country. I do think that, you know, immigrants, many of them arya bringing a lot of, to the table. But we have to be honest with ourselves that permitting 500,000 immigrants in a society like ours is much different than permitting 5,000,000 or 50,000,000 immigrants.
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02:36:58
And importantly, where are the immigrants coming from? What are their values? What are their economic skills? There’s something What’s
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02:37:04
their criminal record?
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02:37:05
What’s their criminal record? There’s something very in in in sort of the modern again, this is a a new thing because this is not Bill Clinton liberalism. This is something that we’re seeing today where they don’t even sana talk about the quality and the backgrounds and the skills of people coming to our country.
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02:37:22
Somehow, it’s fundamentally racist Right. To say, well, we don’t want certain people of certain backgrounds to be in the United States of America. No. It’s just common sense. I mean, let let me sort of give you a very specific example. Okay? So, you know, ask yourself, should America accept 100,000 immigrants from Mexico? Okay?
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02:37:43
Just in the abstract. Well, Mexico is a gigantic country with millions upon millions of people. Who are we talking about? Are we talking about people who speak English as a second language and don’t have criminal backgrounds? Or are we talking about people who don’t even read and write in Spanish and do have criminal backgrounds?
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02:38:01
Because those same groups of people, even though they come from the country we call Meh, are going to assimilate and contribute to Meh society much differently. There’s something in the modern liberal mind that doesn’t even allow you to ask the question, who does America benefit from bringing into this country?
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02:38:18
And if the answer is we don’t benefit, why would we bring them into the country?
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02:38:21
Well, it’s also this the concept of being anti open border somehow or another became attached instead to of safety. It became attached to xenophobia. Yes. It became attached to racism. And when, you know, you confront people and say, do you know that Venezuela is literally opening their prisons and instructing people to just cross into Meh? Yes. Like, no.
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02:38:47
When you tell the one of the wildest ones I think it was you. We’re having a conversation with a woman. We were discussing the gangs in Aurora, Colorado that have taken Yeah. And she was ai, it’s only a couple buildings.
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02:39:00
Ai that’s your community. It’s only a couple of apartment complexes, right, with hundreds of people that have been taken over by Venezuelan gangs. I I think, Joe, the right number Is 0. Apartment complexes taken over by Venezuelan gangs is 0.
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02:39:13
It’s in San Antonio too. It’s happening in San Antonio.
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02:39:15
Happening everywhere.
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02:39:16
It’s so crazy that people don’t want to admit to this because if they do, it’s empowering the right. Yeah. And they think it’s gonna help Donald Trump get elected. So they’re turning a blind eye to dangerous criminals crossing the border with but no recourse, no tracking. You can’t do anything about it.
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02:39:34
Well, you see this in some communities where because they’re small towns and because rapid migrant influx can happen very quickly where the town population has been doubled. Okay. So that you don’t even have to assume people are criminals. What does it do to the local public school when all of a sudden a 1000 newcomers show up that don’t even speak English? Right?
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02:39:54
What does it do to the hospital system when you now have thousands of people in a small health care system that are showing up to get emergency services because they don’t have access otherwise to a doctor. And now the American citizens have to wait in line for 7 hours to get to see a doctor because we’ve overwhelmed the local hospital system.
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02:40:11
What does it do to housing prices? We’ve seen this in a number of communities, including those that I represent in Ohio. When you bring in thousands upon thousands of people, you cannot build enough houses quickly enough to accommodate that. So the cost of housing becomes unaffordable for American citizens.
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02:40:26
It is the craziest thing that we’ve seen in this country that you don’t even allow people to talk about the effects of mass migration anymore. And that’s why I think it’s one of the reasons why Donald Trump is gonna be elected president or at least should be elected president because he’s one of the few guys who’s saying, you know what?
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02:40:42
No. No. No. We’re gonna talk about this problem. Yes. Some immigrants are good.
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02:40:46
Some immigrants are not good, and that is an obvious insight to anybody who knows human nature.
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02:40:52
What do you think is the goal behind allowing this to take place? Now, first of all, one of the things that Kamala Harris has said was that there was a bill that could have fixed the border problem, but that Donald Trump did not want it to take place because he wanted to keep this as a political talking point.
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02:41:08
Totally dishonest. Totally dishonest. Here here So
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02:41:10
was the bill? Okay.
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02:41:11
Here was the bill. What happened is okay. Let me talk about what the bill does first
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02:41:17
of all.
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02:41:18
Okay. Number 1 is it sets a maximum cap on the number of illegal immigrants that we could have before the border shuts down. That maximum cap is 2,000,000 illegal aliens per year. It’s ai 1,850,000 to be more precise. That’s number 1 it did. Number 2, it codified what’s called catch and release where a person comes into our country. They’re an illegal immigrant, but they say, no. No. No.
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02:41:41
I’m not an illegal immigrant. I’m an asylum seeker. And so their claim for asylum gets adjudicated, but because there’s a backlog, log, because we have so many, their their their claim isn’t gonna be adjudicated for 15 years. So rather than having that person wait in Mexico, we give them a work permit and we give them legal status, and we let them come into the United States of America.
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02:42:02
That’s called catch and release. Donald Trump’s policy was you have to wait in Mexico. We’re not gonna catch you and then release you into the country for 15 years. It codified that. In other words, even if Donald Trump became president, this was why he really hated it, is that he would not be able to undo catch and release if he won the election.
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02:42:19
It would be codified into American law. 3rd thing ai it did, nothing on the border wall, nothing on an immigration system called parole, which is supposed to be a case by case. You grant parole to people who are fleeing tyranny. But Harris has used parole to the tune of 1,000,000 upon 1,000,000.
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02:42:38
Mass parole, whole categories of country have been paroled into the United States. It didn’t do anything to solve that problem. So it wasn’t a border security bill. It was an amnesty bill. Now in addition to what I just said, it also gave some table scraps to border patrol.
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02:42:52
The and that that is what allows them to hinge onto that one thing and to say it’s a border it’s a border security bill. No. No. No. No.
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02:43:00
It was a mass amnesty bill. Would have made the border problem 10 times worse, and that’s why they ultimately, pushed it. And that’s why Republicans fought against it. By the way, like, 6 Democrats, voted against that piece of legislation because they thought it was kind of a disaster. So it was not a bipartisan border bill.
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02:43:17
And in fact, it was much more bipartisan, the opposition to the legislation, but it has allowed Kamala Harris to go around and dishonestly claim that she cares about the southern border even though when she came into office, they bragged about undoing all of Donald Trump’s successful border policies.
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02:43:32
They did exactly that, and then we had the massive ai innovation that we’ve seen in the last 3 years.
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02:43:36
And I think it was good on you in the debate with Tim Walz when they fact checked you. They tried to fact you check you and say that this has always been in place, and you stepped up and said, no. No. No. This app is new, and this app was specifically used for shipping. Yes. And now they’re using it to schedule people to illegally come come into the country.
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02:43:56
Here’s Yeah.
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02:43:57
Here’s the question. Sure. Why? Why is this happening? What do you think? I mean, obviously, speculation a little bit, but what do you think the motivation of allowing this to take place and the disproportionate number of people that have moved to swing states, which is also, like, a little suspicious?
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02:44:13
So depends on how many how many tinfoil hats do you have in this ram? Because I Ai,
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02:44:18
I got a wardrobe.
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02:44:20
We can get real serious about this real quick or pretty pretty crazy very quickly. Look. I think what is obvious is and I’ve seen this in the halls of Congress. I’ve seen it very explicitly. You talk about lobbying, and we obviously talked about in the context of other industries.
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02:44:32
There is a massive corporate lobby for cheap labor in the United States of America, and that is, I think, the main thing that’s going on. Think about this. If you’ve got millions of illegal aliens okay. Let me tell you a story. In 2017, 2018, when I was in the private sector, I was at a a business conference dinner, and I was seated next to the CEO of one of the largest hotel chains in America.
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02:44:56
This is, I think, probably 2018. And the guy is going on and on about how much he hates Donald Trump. And I’m like, oh, that’s interesting. Like, why do you hate Donald Trump so much? Because, again, I was I was sort of a Trump skeptic in 2015.
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02:45:06
And at this point, I was kinda, you know, starting to really get get on the Trump train. And he said, well, the reason is I the reason I hate Donald Trump, he says, is because Donald Trump’s border policies have cut down the number of illegal immigrants. And because I can’t pay illegal immigrants under the table anymore, I have to pay American workers, and they want much higher wages.
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02:45:27
And I was like, this guy just admitted it. I was like, holy shit. This guy just admitted it.
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02:45:31
That’s not great. It’s a crime.
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02:45:32
But it is that is a straight up monopoly meh evil shit that this guy admitted to. And I was like, you know, my my wife, who’s very apolitical, she was actually at the dinner with me, and she’s like, come again? You just said you don’t want Americans to get decent wages. Like, that is the best argument for Donald Trump’s immigration policy is that American workers are getting higher wages, and this is why this corporate CEO hates it.
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02:45:58
So whatever the industry is, you’ve got a lot of people who want cheap labor, and they don’t wanna pay American workers higher wages. That’s a big part of it. I do think there’s also a power dynamic to it. In particular, I think Kamala Harris and the Democrats, they wanna give these millions upon millions of illegal aliens the right to vote. They wanna legalize them.
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02:46:16
They wanna make it easier for them to participate in our elections, and that means meh the end of American democracy because you’re talking about 25,000,000 people here. If Kamala Harris gives 10,000,000 of those people legal status and allows them to vote in American elections, then, you know, say say say 70 30, they go Democrat, Republicans will never win a national election in this country in my lifetime.
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02:46:38
And the only way to get them on your side was be would be the Republicans offer the same services and maybe even be more generous in letting illegals in.
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02:46:50
Exactly.
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02:46:50
I mean, you would have to literally beat them at their own game. Like, I’m gonna give you a free house.
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02:46:55
Yeah. No. I mean yeah. No. No. It it would you know, ai probably overstating it, but you’d have to it would take 30 years for the Republicans to get to to get to a point where we could even compete with these these newcomers. But, again, it it will have degraded the voting power of the people who have the legal right to be here.
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02:47:09
And it was essentially the attorney’s states blew forever It would turn the same way they’ve done California. Exactly.
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02:47:14
And we saw this. Look. I’m I’m like a Reagan guy. Right? I’m a conservative Republican, but Reagan screwed up a lot. He screwed up mental health in this country. People don’t talk nearly enough about that.
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02:47:23
Thing he really screwed up.
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02:47:24
The embassy thing he really screwed up.
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02:47:26
Yeah.
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02:47:26
And people always say, well, you know, Ronald Reagan you know, when when they critics of of Donald Trump will say, well, look at how Reagan talked about immigration. Because of what Ronald Reagan did at the ai amnesty, California is now effectively a permanently blue state.
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02:47:42
Except when Arnold won.
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02:47:44
But Arnold ran as a super moderate Republican. He was a major celebrity. Right? He was at the height of his celebrity power, and he still he still won barely even though California had been mismanaged. California is a one party state because of Ronald Reagan’s amnesty.
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02:48:00
And that’s the fear is that the entire country could become one party.
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02:48:03
Country becomes that. Now it also you may not appreciate this, but even if you don’t give people the right to vote, it really distorts congressional apportionment and then the electoral college. You know how this works?
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02:48:14
Yes. Me too. But explain it to people, please.
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02:48:16
Okay. So how many you know, we have 435 congressional seats. Who the way the way that you draw those congressional districts is that you try to draw them evenly based on population sai that everybody has equal representation. Right? One person, one vote, fundamental principle of American law. But you don’t just count the American citizens. You also count the illegal aliens.
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02:48:37
And so for example, the state of Ohio lost to congressional seat in the last census, and states that have high illegal immigrant populations picked up congressional seats. So you’re actually taking away congressional representation from American citizens and giving it to illegal aliens.
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02:48:53
Even if you don’t give them the right to vote, you’re still destroying the voting power of American citizens.
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02:48:58
Because it’s based on population.
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02:48:59
It’s based on population, including illegal immigrants.
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02:49:02
Is there a way to change it so that it’s only based on legal American citizens?
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02:49:07
Well, Donald Trump tried a proposal that Democrats went nuts over and litigated was litigated in the court, so we would have to try again that would ask citizenship status during the US Census. The idea being that if you ask more people their citizenship status, you get fewer people who are answering that question. I think that we should make it.
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02:49:28
And I and I do think this this would require an act of congress, but I think that it would be constitutional is we should just say that illegal aliens are not counted for purposes of congressional representation.
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02:49:39
Yeah. Democrats would call
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02:49:41
that racist, but it’s just common sense policy.
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02:49:43
Well, especially if it’s been shown that you’re manipulating it by moving more people to these places. And even if they’re not legal citizens and they can’t vote, it still counts as congressional seats.
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02:49:53
Correct.
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02:49:54
That’s kind of crazy.
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02:49:55
That’s exactly right.
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02:49:56
It doesn’t I the the the one that drives me the most crazy is this idea that somehow or another, it’s discriminatory to require ID to vote. That’s nuts. That could only meh I’ve tried to look at this from the most charitable position outside of it. Only makes sense if you’re trying to cheat.
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02:50:15
That’s exactly right.
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02:50:16
This you need ai ID for everything. Yep. You need an ID to rent a car.
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02:50:21
Well, you know it’s basically illegal now in California
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02:50:23
Yes.
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02:50:24
To ask for voter ID
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02:50:25
Which is crazy.
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02:50:26
Which is totally insane. But, you know, my my my view, and I I’m sure you got many, many listeners in the great state of California. The next time you’re pulled over by a police officer, just tell them that you’re on your way to vote.
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02:50:38
I’ve seen that meh.
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02:50:39
Yeah. Think about this. Yeah. But you you can’t if you can’t require people to show voter ID, then I think you’re inviting fraud into your system. And there’s also something implicitly very racist about this because what they say is voter ID means that black people aren’t gonna vote.
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02:50:55
Well, number 1, if you look at polls, the same level of support for voter ID exists in the black community is in the white community. It’s about ai, 80% of blacks, 75, 80 percent of whites support voter ID, but they’re basically saying that black people can’t get identification.
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02:51:10
When they say that voter ID is racist, they’re implicitly saying black people can’t get identification. I think that’s an actual racist concept concept. I actually assume that my fellow or or the or the black citizens are my fellow Americans, and they can do the same thing that every other citizen can do, which is get identification.
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02:51:27
Yeah. It’s fundamentally just gaslighting.
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02:51:30
It’s yeah.
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02:51:31
That’s right. That’s all it is. It’s just you’re trying hard to make your point because you want people to be able to vote that maybe shouldn’t be voting. And then there’s all these lawsuits where they’re counting votes that they know to be illegitimate, or they’re saying that there’s a certain amount of people that are in the system that they’re gonna they want to keep in there
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02:51:48
Yep.
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02:51:49
Which is crazy. So you’re saying you want people that shouldn’t be allowed to vote to vote?
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02:51:53
No. They say that they don’t want illegal aliens or illegal voters to vote. The Harris administration right now is litigating a lawsuit against the governor of Virginia because the governor of Virginia, using a state law, kicked about 1500 people or maybe it was ai, but it was it was some some number of people off the Virginia voter rolls because they checked a box that said they were noncitizen.
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02:52:16
Well, if you’re noncitizen, you can’t be on the voter rolls. So he kicked all of the noncitizen’s off the voter rolls. Harris is suing Glenn Youngkin. The the the Department of Justice under Kamala Harris is suing him to ensure that those voters go back on the voter rolls.
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02:52:31
There’s no argument. There’s no argument for this. Any sense.
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02:52:33
There’s no argument for this other than you want to facilitate cheating.
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02:52:37
But the fact that the left has no problem with this because they just wanna win is insane.
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02:52:41
But who’s gonna hold their feet to the fire? Who’s gonna tell the honest truth? The American media has barely even covered the fact that in the middle of a very consequential presidential presidential election, Kamala Harris’s Department of Justice is suing to keep illegal voters on the voter rolls.
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02:52:57
It’s crazy.
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02:53:00
It’s wild. So it’s ai for Trump to win, he has to win by an enormous margin. He has to overcome a lot of this shenanigans.
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02:53:09
Well, as president Trump says, we wanna make it too big to rig. I I mean, I I think look. I encourage all of your listeners whether you agree with us on all the issues or not. If you agree with censorship, then vote Kamala Harris. And if you think Americans should be able to say what they wanna say, then get out there and vote. Vote early. Vote by mail.
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02:53:25
Like, that’s obviously part of the reason why I’m here is I wanna get people out there to vote because I do think that we need to overwhelm the system with so many voters that we ensure that we get the representative government that we actually deserve as a country. And that’s not gonna happen unless people get out there and vote.
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02:53:42
Is one of the things that I think is an important issue that kinda gets put aside is I know a lot of veterans in particular and a lot of people with, some severe trauma that have had, psychedelic therapy, and they’ve had to go to other countries to do it. They’ve they’ve done some of it illegally in Meh.
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02:54:00
But I know far too many guys who have had PTSD, who have had an incredible experience and been alleviated of all these
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02:54:12
And this helped them,
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02:54:13
the ai. Tremendously. What is it?
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02:54:15
Is it ai MDMA, or is it what what
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02:54:17
are the main was what MAPS was using. They were running these studies, and they got they they got close to FDA approval, but then now they’re being sent back to say they have to do more studies. So the problem is, like, you can’t really do double ai, placebo speak controlled studies on MDMA. Either you’re on it or you’re not on it. It’s pretty obvious. Right.
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02:54:33
You know? Yeah. Sugar pills don’t have the same effect. Yeah. It just doesn’t.
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02:54:36
But the therapy for people
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02:54:37
that are suffering from
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02:54:43
severe PTSD has been incredibly beneficial. Mhmm. They’ve shown that with the MAP studies, but they’ve also shown it with, like, anecdotally. I know a bunch of different guys that have gone down to Mexico and had psilocybin journeys and all these different things where they’ve encountered these experiences that have made them sort of rethink who they are, alleviated them of a lot of the stress and a lot of the the the trauma that they’ve experienced sana given them peace.
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02:55:10
And the the the concept of Schedule 1 is that there’s no meh benefit.
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02:55:15
Right.
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02:55:15
And if these people are experiencing, first of all, cessation cessation of smoking, people that have had issues with addiction, Ibogaine treatments, another one that they’ve found which is not something that anyone would ever abuse recreationally. I’ve never done it, but apparently, it’s an excruciating experience. But the, rate of curing addiction is tremendous from it.
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02:55:38
And these things have been denied, people have had denied access to it because of this scheduling issue. Ai, there’s a like, we we discussed it yesterday on the podcast, like, the LD fifty rate was, like, lethal dose at 50% is impossible to achieve with ai. Okay. And yet it’s still illegal. Mhmm. And that there’s all these people that have reported.
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02:56:01
Psilocybin is mushrooms. Right?
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02:56:02
Yes. Okay. And, you know, but you can synthesize it. It doesn’t have to be. I see. But the the scheduling of these things, in particular, ai, meh. Like, marijuana is legal on a state level with, I think, almost half the country now or if not more Yeah. But yet federally illegal.
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02:56:20
And if you go to the history of why it was federally legal in the first place, it coincides with the, what what happened with prohibition of alcohol. Right after prohibition of alcohol, they turned their eyes to meh, and there was a lot of political influence by Harry Anslinger and William Randolph Hearst.
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02:56:37
And there’s a lot of maneuvering, and that’s where the reefer madness films came up and all this propaganda stuff. It was to make it illegal essentially to to make the textile, the the hemp illegal.
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02:56:49
Interesting. Okay.
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02:56:51
There’s a long history to it. We it was it’s basically more about the commodity of hemp Yeah. Than it was really about the drug itself. In fact, the the term meh was never used for cannabis, which has been used for 1000 and 1000 of years. The term marijuana was created by William Randolph Hearst and put in Hearst Newspapers. It was originally marijuana was a Mexican slang word for a wild tobacco.
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02:57:15
Really?
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02:57:15
It had nothing. So they started writing these stories about blacks and Mexicans smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women. And most of this was
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02:57:25
no ai, this history.
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02:57:27
It’s so crazy. The story is so nuts, but it all came about because of a a an invention called the decorticator. And the decorticator is, it’s an invention that allows them to economically and effectively process hemp fiber without slave labor. So when the cotton gin came along, people stopped using hemp as much because it’s much more difficult to work with, and they started using cotton for clothing.
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02:57:49
But before that, they’d use hemp, and this is non ai hemp. Yeah. It makes a superior paper. It does there’s there’s a bunch of uses for it completely outside of the psychoactive aspect of it. William Ram there was a the cover of was it Popular Science Magazine? Popular Mechanics Magazine, hemp, the new $1,000,000,000 crop, and it was all about this invention.
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02:58:10
So then the propaganda machine goes into full scale, and then they start to this was in the 19 thirties.
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02:58:16
Okay.
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02:58:16
So they start here it is. The new $1,000,000,000 crop, 1938. And this is because of this invention, the decorticator. So solves a problem. We can see it there. Solves a problem more than 6000 years old, hemp a crop that will not compete with other American products. Instead, it will displace imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coolie and peasant labor and provide thousands of jobs for American workers throughout the land.
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02:58:38
So everybody was really high on hemp as a commodity because of this new machine that you could process hemp fiber with where you can make much more superior paper, superior clothing. Yeah. Like, it’s like canvas. Literally, the Mona Lisa was painted on hemp. The first draft of the declaration of independence was written on hemp.
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02:58:56
They used to use it for paper back then. Yeah. So then William Randolph Hearst, who owns Hearst publication, also owns all these paper mills and forests filled with trees. Okay. So they Again, it
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02:59:08
comes back to financial incentive point.
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02:59:10
Yeah. And so we’re still trapped under this propaganda that was distributed in the 19 thirties by incredibly powerful people. Yeah. And this is why it’s illegal on the federal level. And even though you have medical marijuana that’s been showed to help people with chemotherapy and wasting disease, help people that have appetite problems and people in chronic pain, it’s still listed as a schedule 1 drug federally, which to me is unconscionable.
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02:59:37
It doesn’t make any sense.
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02:59:38
Okay. So, like, first of all, we’re not trying to let me be clear ai I’m speaking as a vice presidential candidate. We’re not trying to throw people in jail for smoking weed. That’s, like, very much something that we’re not interested in doing. What is I mean, the one thing that I have like, my attitude on this stuff is kinda live and let live. Like, keep it in your home.
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02:59:59
I don’t like smelling it when I take my kids to the park. Right? Yeah. So I’m ai
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03:00:03
with that. That Scott
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doing here. Yeah. Exactly. But, like, you know, keep it at home. I don’t wanna throw people in prison. That’s not what we’re trying to do.
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03:00:09
I don’t think you should be drunk at the park either. Right?
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03:00:12
Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Same same exact principle. The the the thing that I wonder about is if you, you know I I I do there’s a part of me that worries a little bit about kids
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03:00:24
Yes. Doing
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03:00:24
a lot of this stuff. Yes. But I wonder, you know, to your point about consent and the brain’s development and all these things, I really worry about, do you have an increase in usage among minors? And so what I’d like to get is is some sort of legal regime that, you know, again, that it’s not like criminally prosecuting or prosecuting at all people for smoking a joint, but also where we can actually ensure that it’s kept out of public spaces.
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03:00:46
That’s kind of my attitude towards it, and I think that’s the right the right approach. I mean, on the psychedelic thing, what is like, what would need to be done? Because I I know to be clear, I know absolutely nothing about this. So this is me, you know, asking question, not committing to some public policy.
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03:01:03
You’d be careful with this stuff, especially 6 days from an election, but I had never heard about, you know, vet because I’m a veteran too. I spent 4 years in the United States Marine Corps. Went to Ram, went to Haiti once. And is there any, like, like, what is the pathway, I ai, or what do you think should happen for veterans accessing psychedelics?
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03:01:25
Well, there’s so many anecdotal stories about veterans experiencing relief that I think it should be available to them, especially veterans. I think that we put our veterans through
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03:01:36
But is it ai an FDA thing is making it possible for them to get the therapy? Okay.
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03:01:39
Yes. And it’s also the way it’s scheduled. You know, it’s because, you know, it’s
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03:01:43
because it’s because it’s schedule 1, isn’t it?
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03:01:45
But but,
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like like, if it had a medical use, presumably, you would get it off of schedule 1.
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03:01:49
Yes.
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03:01:49
So why aren’t we and I’m just fascinated by this. This is the first time I’ve heard about this. Ai aren’t we testing whether there is yeah. Fair point. You can’t do a double blind placebo controlled study, but you can definitely still study whether this helps people or not.
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03:02:04
Ai are we doing that, or are we doing that? I’m just not aware of it.
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03:02:08
Well, we’re definitely not doing it. I mean, there’s been some research. John Hopkins did some research on psychedelics and they found similar benefits. There’s also dangers ai, any anything that has profound effects on the human mind. There’s certain people that are very vulnerable and those people should not be taking these things.
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03:02:26
There’s people that have a hard time with regular reality, you know. They’re they’re barely hanging on regularly. Yeah. And but I think the people that are not should have access to that because I believe in freedom. And I and I believe in the freedom to explore things that have great benefits.
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03:02:39
And I keep going back to veterans because I think we require an insane thing of them. We take regular people who live in civilized sai. We send them over to Afghanistan and Iraq and have them engaged in the absolutely most brutal things that people do, which is war. They see their friends blown apart.
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03:03:00
They get shot. They see people die. They have to kill people, and then they come back here and then they’re supposed to just acclimate. Yep. And there’s no guidelines.
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03:03:09
There’s no way to do it. There’s no no one can coach you through it. And a lot of these guys wind up killing themselves. And it’s it’s a very high amount. And, you know, Sean Ryan you’ve have you done his show?
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03:03:19
Yeah. Love Sean Ryan.
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03:03:20
Lunch love Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan was talking about the experience that it had with him. Completely changed his life. He stopped drinking. He became a much more compassionate, sensitive person. Because we
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03:03:30
talked about, like, foreign policy sana and veteran stuff, but we didn’t talk about this. That’s interesting.
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03:03:34
The guy’s a Navy Sai. I mean, he’s seen a lot shit.
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03:03:36
He’s seen a lot of shit.
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03:03:37
Yeah. That’s right. He’s just Yes.
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03:03:38
He has.
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That’s the job. And you come back over here, and you’re supposed to just be normal, and there’s no help. At least for those people.
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03:03:44
I no. Look. Like, look. I my attitude is we should help veterans get the mental health they need mental mental health treatment they need and be less screwed up by all this stuff. We should be doing whatever we can. I I just wanna understand why aren’t we? Like, is this a pharma lobbying thing?
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03:04:03
Is this
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a carer that screwed
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up thing? Like because I’m always wondering, like, ai what why are we not actually solving problems? And this is a problem I know nothing about. Sorry. I know a lot about veteran suicides and veteran mental health. This this proposed solution, like, literally the first time
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I heard about sana as to what’s the resistance. You could say the the the companies that make psychotropic drugs, SSRIs and the like, and companies that have a vested interest in continuing to sell these things would not want something that causes people to have a profound psychological change that doesn’t require them to be on these things anymore.
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There could be an impact in that, but I think there’s also a lot of ignorance. Ai just yeah. Have you
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read this book Bad Therapy? No. Okay. It’s good.
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I’ve heard it. It’s good. Yeah. I haven’t read it, though.
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So the mental health thing in the United States is really, really worrisome because, you know, when I when I talk about obviously, we have a big gun violence problem in the United States of America. I talk about mental health because, obviously, that’s a part of what’s going on here. It’s what they say as well.
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Every other country has mental health, meaning advocates of strict gun laws say every other country has mental health problems, but they don’t have the same gun violence problem that we do. It’s actually not totally true. If you look at, like, SSRI prescriptions, selective serotonin and reuptake inhibitors, it’s like Prozac, that category of mental health therapeutics.
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We take something ai 6 times as much as our peer countries economically. So clearly, there’s something with mental health treatment in Ai States that is very, very broken.
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There’s also a direct correlation between school shooters, mass shooters, and SSRIs. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Ai, most of the people that have con that have committed mass shootings and not talking about gang shootings, but a bunch of them were on psychotropic drugs. And everybody wants to blame
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drugs. It, man.
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Oh, yeah. Ai, Google it because you you can find out what the numbers I know that Columbine kids were on psychotropic drugs. I know there’s been a ton of school shooters Ai? You’re you’re talking
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about, like, we that No.
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No. No. Prescribed psychotropic drugs. Prescribed sai psychiatric drugs. And that if you bring that up, you are taking away from the this argument they wanna say where they wanna blame everything on the guns. It’s all about gun control, and we need more gun control. Like, a gun is a tool. There’s more guns in this country than there are human beings. Okay?
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I I made this I made this argument after debate. The the the the idea that you can gun regulate your way out of this problem Right. Is ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. We have so many firearms in the United States of America that even if I bought into the gun control argument, you’re never going to be able to get sufficient guns off the streets.
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Right.
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So it’s ridiculous. So we we have to we have to actually go after some of the root causes here. It also ignores meh, ai, Finland, for example, has a lot of guns, does not have nearly the same problem with these mass shooters that we do. I’d be interested to see what their their, mental health drug usage rate is too.
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Did you ever see Ted Nugent debate Pierce Morgan on gun violence?
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No. I never did. I think that’s fast. It’s really good. Ted’s a smart guy.
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He’s a very smart ai. But Ted actually knows the statistics. So when Pierce was bringing up all the mass shootings Yeah. And all the gun violence shootings, Ted said, do you know what they really are? Do you know how many of them are suicide? Do you know how many of them are gang violence? Do you know how many of them are cops shooting bad guys?
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Do you know how many of them are actually mass shooters? Yeah.
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But yeah. That’s that’s yeah. I did know that, actually. The when we talk about gun violence problem, what we’re really talking about primarily is gang violence.
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Yes. Right?
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That’s where that’s where a lot of the gun ai. I think a majority of the gun violence is coming from, which is not to say it’s not a problem Right. But it’s not the same problem that obviously gathers most of the headlines. Right.
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And this idea that just getting guns out of people’s hands. You got a bail?
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We’re good. I’m Ai good if you are.
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The guy yeah. The the idea that you’re gonna take guns away from everyone, you’re gonna solve the problem. It’s ai, no. You’re you’re still gonna have people that are out of their mind and they sana commit violence and they’re gonna find another way to do it. Like, we we’ve we’ve had other ways that people have killed a lot of people because they were sick Yeah. Because they’re out of their mind. That’s right.
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And the fact that no one wants to look at this connection between psychiatric drugs and mass shootings is kind of insane. Have you have you found anything that shows, like, the data on That’s pretty wild. I’m finding actually people saying that there’s no, like, no proof. There’s a paper that Of course. Yeah. That’s ai I’m trying to find.
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So that time is that’s vatsal time. Right?
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It’s ai right now.
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Okay. We we probably got, like, 15, 20 more minutes
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because I have
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to do this event with Tulsa in Pennsylvania. So Yeah. When is this gonna air by? Meh, sorry.
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Tomorrow? Later.
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Tomorrow. Great.
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Or today? Okay. Today?
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Yeah. Ai. Fantastic. Vatsal air tonight. Anyway so yeah. What are you doing with Tulsa? We’re doing Veterans Town Hall, as a matter of fact, at, I think we’re doing Western PA, but I need to check. I don’t know where I’m going from day to day, but, yeah. She obviously cares a lot about veterans issues.
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And, you know, the most important veterans issue is, yeah, the mental health thing really matters, but it’s that we shouldn’t be sending them to stupid wars.
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Well, that was one of the most insane things that Hillary Clinton did when she tried to say that she was a Russian agent. Like it was
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so much bullshit, man.
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I That is so crazy. This woman so crazy. Served overseas twice. She was a congresswoman for 8 years. So crazy. Ai
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of Russian agent. Hillary Clinton, by the way, who’s not served in the military at all and is you know, at least her husband and her daughter haven’t served in the military at all, so her immediate family hasn’t. Like, give me a break on this.
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She was deployed in medical unions. I mean, that’s what literally where she got that streak of gray in her hair.
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Tyler is a, like, legitimate servant to the United States of Meh. Yes. And the accusation that she’s not comes from people who want to send Americans to wars that have no connection to our national interest. I mean, this is the biggest difference, I think, between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump is actually foreign policy. And that there are 3 issues, man.
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I mean, I I’ve learned this in my own brief political career. There are 3 issues where you are not allowed to challenge the establishment. 1 is trade. You you know, you have to be pro free trade. Everything is good.
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Let as many Chinese slave labor made products in your country as possible even if it destroys native industries. That is number 1, the most important issue to our establishment. Number 2 most important issue is is immigration, and the number 3 most important issue is foreign policy.
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And maybe, actually, foreign policy is the biggest because if you criticize the wars and you criticize American foreign entanglements, that is where people get really fired.
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What is the root of that, you think?
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Ai think some of the financial. Right? I mean, you know, Liz Cheney wants her board seat at Raytheon and everywhere else. That’s that’s part of what’s driving it. Of course, her dad was a major owner, or I believe that he owned a pretty significant stake in Halliburton. But I actually think I don’t wanna overstate that ai I actually don’t think that’s most of what’s going on.
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And I I this is maybe a background view that I have that I should interrogate a little bit more, but I I tend to think that people aren’t expressly financially motivated. I think they’re much better rationalizing their financial motivation is somehow good.
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So I
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don’t think Liz Cheney, to be fair, even though I can’t stand her, wakes up and says, oh, I wanna get rich, so I’m gonna support the Ukraine war so that Raytheon could continue making all these missiles. I think what’s going on is they have convinced themselves that the post World War 2 American consensus, this entire idea that we’re gonna remake the entire world in America’s image, they think that that is the most important, the most valuable project, and they don’t care.
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They’re gonna they’re gonna do it as much as they can even though I think it’s run its course. I think we should have learned in Iraq. We can’t turn everybody into the United States of America nor should we want to, but these guys can’t quite give up on it. It’s just a powerful psychological motivation.
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You go back to when the Soviet Union fell, right, when the Berlin Wall fell in the late eighties, early nineties, there was this sense among American leaders. Right? Bill Clinton takes over ai 1992 that we had reached what was called at the time the end of history. That Western liberal democracy was gonna triumph.
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Everybody was gonna be like us. There was no gonna be no more ethnic conflict, no more religious conflict, no more regional conflict. And I think these guys bought the idea so profoundly that they can’t really wake up and recognize that for the past 40 years, we’ve tried their theories and their theories haven’t worked.
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This is also the craziest thing that happened to me during this campaign was when Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala Harris and the left went crazy. Yay. Dick Cheney’s on our side ai
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the craziest thing.
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I know. Ai guy look at what they said about Dick Cheney. Donald Trump. How much do you hate Donald Trump that you’re
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you’re crazy.
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Willing to choose Dick Cheney over him? Meh. And that Dick Cheney is all of a sudden a good guy? The the engineer behind the Iraq war is responsible for the how many people dead?
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You know, 100 of 1000, maybe millions of Arabs, certainly thousands of Americans. The biggest world historical catastrophe, I think, in the history of the United States of America was the Iraq war. Because unlike other mistakes that we’ve made, it was truly unforced. There was no reason in hindsight to do it. There was nothing that we got out of it.
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We lost I mean, so many innocent people. We spent 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars. We, I think, destroyed the social cohesion that we had gotten after ai because meh, like, after 911, everybody was an American. We’re all on the same team, Ai or Republican. We destroyed that, and we created in Iraq effectively a proxy of Iran, which it’s telling now that 20 years later, the biggest foreign policy threat that we face in the Middle East is Iran.
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And we created a massive ally of the Iranians and the Iraqis, and none of the people who actually presided over that disaster saying, maybe we really, really screwed up, and maybe we should reevaluate some of our assumptions.
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03:14:13
There’s only a few days left. Yeah. How much of a chance do you think Trump has to win this? Arya you confident or is
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it close? I’m confident. I I I’m it is close, but I am confident because it’s close, but it’s close in a way that favors us. Right? The undecided voters tend to be voters who are more aligned with us. I think the early voting data looks really good. I think that, you know, people just fundamentally don’t wanna do more of the sai, and Kamala Harris is more of the same.
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I think some of our arguments that Kamala Harris is the voter is is the candidate of censorship is starting to really speak through. But, you know, to your listeners, if you agree with what I’ve said here, get out there and vote. Because, like, there is something to be said for me and Donald Trump ai sat and had a conversation and, you know, hopefully, I didn’t make a complete fool of ai.
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But they just don’t do that. Right? Like, why why would we make a person who’s terrified of talking about what she wants to do and what she believes? Why would we make her a president of the United States? The only way to to to make that not happen is to vote for me and Trump, on or before November 5th. So it’s it’s very important.
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I feel good about it, but I don’t feel great about it because there are a lot of ways in which Democrats are gonna try to motivate their base down the stretch. There are a lot of ways in which yeah. I mean, I I wouldn’t put it past them. Maybe they do try to cheat. I don’t know exactly what it looks like in 5 or 6 days, but I know that the best thing that we can do to prevent that from happening is to get out there, make our voices heard.
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Alright. Thanks, man.
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Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Joe. Thank you. You too. Alright. Bye, everybody ai.
