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Francis Foster is a writer and stand-up comic. Konstantin Kisin is a political commentator and author of “An Immigrant’s Love Letter to the West.” They are the hosts of the podcast and YouTube program “Triggernometry.”
www.francisfoster.co.uk
www.konstantinkisin.com
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#2220 – Francis Foster & Konstantin Kizin Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the conversation revolves around the evolving landscape of media, particularly focusing on podcasts and their impact. The discussion highlights how podcasts, much like Twitter conversations, provide a platform for open dialogue and diverse opinions. The episode underscores the importance of having in-depth conversations to uncover truths, as opposed to quick, sensationalized debates that often dominate media.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the potential of podcasts as a medium for public figures, using examples like Rand Paul and Tucker Carlson. The speakers suggest that individuals who transition from traditional media to independent platforms can often reach larger audiences and have more freedom to express their views. This is exemplified by Tucker Carlson’s increased influence after leaving Fox News.
The episode also touches on the role of AI in media, with a speaker expressing hope that the conversational format of podcasts will continue to thrive even as AI technology advances. The discussion suggests that while there is a lot of trivial content in podcasts, the medium still holds value for meaningful conversations.
An actionable insight from the episode is the recommendation of ZipRecruiter for hiring needs, emphasizing its efficiency in finding qualified candidates quickly. This is presented as a practical tool for businesses looking to streamline their recruitment process.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of optimism about the future of podcasts as a space for genuine dialogue and the potential for individuals to leverage this medium for greater influence and freedom of expression.
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#2220 – Francis Foster & Konstantin Kizin Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.
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The Joe Rogan experience.
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Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Oh, wow. Well, I
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wish there was something to talk about. Ai arya coming here. I’m like, I love these guys so much. Too bad, it’s just there’s nothing going on.
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Well, I heard you you might have needed to cancel on us to get, Kamala Harris on.
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I was not gonna do that. I would have had to I knew you guys flew from England, and I wasn’t gonna cancel on you because I she had an opportunity to come in. Someone’s you could look at this and you say, oh, you beat a diva. But she had an opportunity to come here when she was in Texas, and I I literally gave them an open invitation. I sai, anytime.
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I said, if she’s done at 10 o’clock, I’ll we’ll come back here at 10 o’clock. Mhmm. Ai go do it at 9 in the morning. Ai do it at 10 PM. I’ll do it at ai. She’s up. She wants to, you know, drink a Meh Bull, fucking party on.
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Yeah. But I think this idea that you’re being a diva is silly because you’re asking her, you’re offering her the opportunity to do exactly what the other candidate did. Right?
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Well, she actually reached out when she found out that he was coming on. So their camp reached out to me. So I said, great. I would love to talk to her. But it was very difficult to tie it down and a lot of they wanted to travel. And sai, the the thing is, like, you can’t if if I go somewhere, then there’s gonna be other people in the ram.
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And they want to control a lot of things, I’m sure, according to the the Brett Ai interview on Fox, like people were waving them off. That’s a distraction. People in the room like, my whole goal with her and with him is just talk. Just have a conversation like a human being.
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You you find out things about people. You get a sense of them at least,
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a real sense.
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That was it. I don’t give a fuck what we talk about. I really don’t. Ai just Sai just sana talk to you. Who the fuck are you?
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Do they do you think they think that you’re on his side and they’re more aware of you?
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I don’t know. I mean, there’s, just because of my appearance, there’s always been this assumption that I’m some right wing MAGA guy. Just I was a Bernie supporter, you know. I am, not I’m a politically homeless person, for sure. You know, I always considered myself a left wing person.
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I never thought I would ever vote right wing. But then the the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way and it just made me over time much more aware of what this stuff is really all about. Because what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have, and it overpowers all discussions.
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It overpowers what’s good for the collective group. It overpowers everything. It’s just people pick a fucking team and then whatever that team says, they can do no harm. They will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the furthest extreme version of that whether it’s antifa or the Proud Boys.
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They’ll minimalize the it’s the same thing, man. It’s the same if you look at what’s going on with the Liberals right now, so progressives are they want the war in Ukraine to be bryden, they want to censor speech online, and they want to give the World Health Organization, which is deeply influenced by Big Pharma, including the FDA, deeply influenced.
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The revolving door between the FDA and pharmaceutical drug companies is legendary. And they wanna give them control over what we take and what we don’t take. That’s crazy. And that doesn’t make sense because that’s not what the liberals were when I was a kid. Ai parents were hippies.
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You know, we lived we lived in San Francisco during the Vietnam War. My parents were, like, straight up hippies. That’s how I was raised. And so for me, it was always ai the liberals were the ones who wanted education and open mindedness. The liberals who are the ones with the ACLU, let the Nazis talk, and let let them have a rally.
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They said you can’t infringe on people’s free speech because if you infringe on the speech of people that you disagree with, you’re being a fucking hypocrite. You gotta the only solution to bad speech is better speech. We’ve always known that. But when they had the power over social media and these collective groups of people that all had the same ai, and then that tribal mentality kicks in and you lose the perspective that you should have as an education educated person that recognizes that everyone has to be able to talk and we have to figure out who’s ai.
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And you might be wrong. You might be wrong. And you might be clinging to this idea that you’re right and you’re gonna do the whole thing a terrible disservice.
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You know the thing that I loved about the left, Joe, was the anti establishment left. The left that were ai, you know, we’re gonna challenge authority. We’re gonna we’re we’re not gonna listen to what, you know, what the parties in charge may be saying. You know the what Ai used to listen to Bill Hicks when I was a kid Mhmm.
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When I was 19 and go, shah, you know, that to me was like a totem of the left. Uh-huh. But you just look at, you know, what happened to the left and and what I saw in my own country in here. And it and it just seemed like this herd mentality came in. And the moment you stopped you you started questioning or pushing back, it was the moment you just found yourself exiled from the group.
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And it it just seemed that what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed.
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Yeah. Because it’s bullshit. And I think we should even stop calling it the left and the ai, because it’s just tribes.
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Mhmm.
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It real that and that that is the real when when you have people that are supposedly progressive and liberal, and they’re opposed to the idea that free speech is an absolute right as an American citizen, it’s very very important. It’s very important. Yeah. Because it’s the because too many people can decide what you can and can’t say.
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Like, when Tim was also saying, like, free speech doesn’t apply to hate speech and misinformation. Well, of course, it does. First of all, of course, it does. But, also, you said misinformation? Okay. Well, if that’s the case, like, where is all the punishment of all the people that spread misinformation during COVID? Ai, where’s the call?
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Where where’s the call for accountability? It’s nonexistent. It’s not real. They don’t really care about misinformation. They care about controlling information.
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A 100%, man. And ai, this is gonna sound like a party political point. It’s not intended to be. But if we look at the facts, from 2016 onwards, we’ve heard a lot of misinformation. Yes. A lot. A lot of it.
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A lot of it.
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And nobody ever got punished for that. Nobody ever went
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to Because those people are still in positions of power.
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And still, supposedly, the respected arbiters of truth and morality in
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our society. Still making appearances on these, cable news talk shows.
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Yeah. And look, I think the concern about inaccurate information is perfectly valid and a legitimate thing for us to worry about in an eco system where information travels so quickly. It’s not an illegitimate thing to to be concerned about. But you can’t have one side lie, call the other side
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Out for its lies and then go, only that is misinformation. What we say that’s, oh, oh, yeah. We said it, but we forgot about it. It’s fine.
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Also, there’s there’s this inherent problem with business being entangled in information, and that’s what happened when these tech companies exploded.
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Right.
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So the business, an enormous business, not small business, business like Google and Facebook and Apple, and these are huge businesses. And all of a sudden, they are in charge of information, not necessarily Apple, but in a way. Because they they have, like, banned people from the Apple Store and banned people from but it’s they’re they’re businesses, an enormous businesses, but they’re super left wing.
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Not just super left wing, ai, super woke left wing, which is, like, kinda the craziest version of it where it just there’s no room for negotiation. There’s anybody who disagrees is a fascist. It gets, like, real weird. It gets real weird with ideas. So you have, for the first time ever, human beings are capable of just with a device they carry around with them that has unbelievable amounts of power.
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That device has first of all, you can be on it for, like, what, 20 hours now, the new ones? They’re, like, 20 hour battery life of just you staring at a fucking screen all day, and you’re getting connected with an infinite number of ideas that are constantly coming your way.
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And it’s almost all in the hands of left wing. The left wing party is Google, it’s Facebook, it’s all these companies that have massive power. And until Elon stepped in and bought Twitter, there was no counter to that. Mhmm. It was just one ai, and that’s where things get really weird because businesses like to have monopolies. They like to crush things.
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And if you have the monopoly of information, you get essentially Microsoft in information form.
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Mhmm.
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You know, when they have the antitrust lawsuits against Microsoft and people worry that it’s a monopoly, and there’s people think that about Google now. And there’s even conversations about Apple being a monopoly.
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Businesses love that. They love the kick ass.
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Mhmm. You know, they ai fucking dominate the business. Your your goal if you run a business, you literally have a you have a obligation to your shareholders that you continually grow the business.
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Mhmm.
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There’s only one way to do that, kids. You gotta kick some fucking ass. And we’ve if you if you’re the biggest thing and what what is in your interest? Well, definitely controlling the information. We would like to control and we also want some cultural beach balls that we could chuck around sai people, like, get distracted and throw them back and forth at each other.
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There’s a bunch of Republicans that love the fact that they’re these gender affirming care centers. They love it because it gives them something to yell about. It gives them something like, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them fund these things. Some people are fucking crazy. They’re fucking crazy. Especially, they found it was profitable.
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Maybe they got a fucking some sort of a fund and part of it is a you know, these are privately owned businesses. The whole
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thing is just human tribal
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characteristics applied to the way we’re supposed to, like, coexist with each other and share the space. Ai it’s all fucked up. It’s all fucked up because it’s the cowboys. And it’s all fucked up. It’s all fucked up because it’s the cowboys versus the raiders. No one’s thinking straight.
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Yeah. That’s so true. At election ai, especially, it becomes like that. But I am hopeful. This election, I think there is one thing going on, which I’m actually really hopeful about, which is, you know, you had Trump on on Friday. Like, the conversation is moving from the clickbait, 5 seconds, mainstream media, journalist will tell you what to think, To a 3 hour conversation, you get to see the real person.
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If that continues, which it will, and by the time of the next election, this format will be the dominant format, I think. The type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership will be a different type of person than the type of person who’s selected on 10 saloni sound ai on mainstream media.
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Well, you certainly have a way better grasp of who they are.
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But the the medium is the message. It will change the type of person that succeeds in that format.
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Right. The Vivek’s will rise.
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Right. Yeah. And that gives us a chance, actually, to change the political leadership in Western elites, which is it is badly needed. And we’ve been talking about it for god knows how many years now, that the caliber of people coming through is not high enough. Right? Right.
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If this format takes over, that will change. And I don’t know. It might just be a small blip on the road down to oblivion, but it might just be actually the thing that changes the type of leaders we elect. And that’s exciting.
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There’s a bunch of people that are out there now that I’m very excited about. One of them is Vivek. A big one is Tulsi Gabbard
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Mhmm.
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And RFK Junior, of course. I love that guy. I love what he’s done his entire career. And I love what he’s trying to do with health. I mean, this is a real issue that we all face, and we’re all being poisoned. And they’re profiting off of it, and we’re not doing shit about it.
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Meanwhile, you stop psychedelics from being given to veterans to help them with PTSD. It doesn’t make any sense. This makes zero fucking sense. And they have so much control over what you say and do. Because if you can decide that something is it’s unsuitable for the population, like like the drug schedule program they have in the United States. Right?
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They have schedule 1, 2, and 3 depending upon if there’s any medicinal use for it. And psychedelics were all on schedule 1. That is crazy. If you’re telling me there’s no medicinal use, you you could get thousands of people to testify in congress about soldiers in particular. I know so many soldiers.
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No one prepares them for that. They go over there when they’re 19 years old and they see people get blown up. They lose their friends. They come back and then they’re supposed to just integrate and there’s no fucking program that can help you do that. There’s you’re on your own and you gotta sort through what you’ve seen that’s so different than all these people around you.
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You have to sort through seeing your friends die. You have to sort through having to kill people. You have to sort through that and just exist. And then there’s a tremendous amount of veterans who commit suicide. It’s a crazy number. And psychedelics are proven to help that.
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So the fact that there’s some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow or another vatsal is bad. That this thing that doesn’t kill anybody, literally, ai, the LD 50 rate for psilocybin is something insane. It’s ai you have to take well, it’s like a £100 of it or something. I don’t know what it is.
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Like, let’s find out what’s the LD 50 rate, which means lethal dose at 50% of the population. Like, what kills half the people? It’s just ai you can’t do it. It’s not that’s not what the concern is. Are there concerns about people losing their marbles when they do it? Yeah. Yeah.
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There is concerns. Mhmm. It ain’t it’s not a fucking free ai, you know. There’s some people that are mentally fragile and they have mental issues already. They shouldn’t be doing that. But for everybody else, there should be a conversation where we figure out how to make the world a better place.
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And one of the ways to make a world a better place is to make people more kind, more compassionate, and more understanding, and that’s something that psychedelics provides. And the fact that that is somehow or another listed by a country that is the leader of the free world in the most information rich time alive.
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There’s so much access to information. We all know what they really are and what they’re not, and yet this organization that somehow are in this shadow organization that controls what we do tells you you can’t have that. If you have it, you go to jail. That’s bananas. That doesn’t make any sense.
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And as long as we keep stupid shit like that, people will never have hope that there’s going to be a better horizon, a better future. They would think that all these things are so it takes so long just for marijuana. Ai. Meh still not federally legal, but it’s legal in, like, half the states.
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It took so long for people where they’re drinking whiskey on every fucking corner. People are just doing shots and drinking tequila and meh is something that gets you locked in a cage. As long as something like that exists that’s preposterous and completely illogical, the good that it serves is the ruling class gets to rule without logic. Mhmm.
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Because they don’t have to it doesn’t have to make sense. Fuck you. You’re going to jail. You know? Like and it’s as long as they say that, you’re like, ah, we raised your taxes. You gotta pay them. Fuck you. You’re going to jail.
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What the fucking car’s not doing? Shut up. So if if there’s, like, an illegal situation like that or an illogical situation like that rather, it makes you lose faith in the whole system. But when someone like RFK Junior comes along and says, hey. I think we can fix this. It’s ai, give him a fucking chance. Maybe he can.
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Maybe he can fix this whole health system where we’ve been co opted by these these giant organizations that want you to make money.
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You know, we interviewed on the show to
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make money off you rather.
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Yeah. Absolutely. You know, on on our show, we interviewed a guy called, Dave doctor David Nutt, who’s a neuropharmacologist, and he’s in charge of, the hallucinogenic trials in Imperial College London looking at how these particular drugs can alleviate PTSD, anxiety, other types of mental health disorders, and depression, and the results arya coming out of there are fantastic.
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There is actually showing that a lot of drugs like psilocybin are in fact far more effective than prescription meds when it comes to alleviating conditions like depression, and it’s really impressive what they’re doing.
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It you know, I’ve talked to a lot of what is this? Shah is this, Jamie? Ai can’t hear you, buddy.
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Oh, shit. L d 50.
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Oh, the l d 50 rate? Oh, so your your mic’s not on, brother?
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Joe, sorry.
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Could you
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pass the lighter, please, buddy?
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I’m sorry.
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Thank you, sir.
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James got the he has to have the mic down because Carl snored. He’s
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not asleep,
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so it’s
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probably a little safer, but
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that was the LD50. Bro, when he snores, he fucking puts into work. That little dude, this is the best
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I could find. That was, 2.80 per milligrams per mg to kg, which is really hard to understand.
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So it’s a £154.
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No. No.
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So for
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an average ai individual. Oh, that’s the weight of the average size individual. So the lethal dose, 50% is okay.
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Normal dose would be considered.
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It actually says no lethal overdose potential. Sai it’s there’s no potential for dying. Right. The recommended therapeutic dose for optimal effects is 20 to 30 milligrams. For an average ai individual, 70 kilograms or £154, for whom the medium lethal dose LD 50 is 19,600 milligrams, making it virtually impossible to ingest a lethal dose of psilocybin.
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But, boy, if you got close Oh, sana. You might figure everything out. If you just get get to the door, you might be able to come back with enough information ai, I’ve solved it. I solved it.
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You know, what I I did, I probably told you about this before, but I invited a shaman to ram house a couple of years ago, and I did a psilocybin trip. Yeah. And the results of it were so profound. They changed the way I looked at the world. And I remember coming out after that the next day going, oh, all you’re doing, all you really are is a conduit for energy. That’s all you are.
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You’re a conduit for positive energy or light or you’re a conduit for dark. Yes. And that’s really your choice as a human being. Do you sana put light and love out into the world or do you want to put dark? Because we have both of those fundamentally contained within our soul.
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So it’s up to you as an individual what do you want to put out there. And if you wanna put out light and love, you’re gonna get back light and love. And if you wanna put darkness, anger, destruction, you know what? That is gonna come back on you threefold.
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It’s true. It really is true. It seems so simplistic and ai. Oh, that’s such a utopian version of the world. But for the most part, there’s something real to it and you you do sense that. You do sense that sometimes in life, you know. There’s there’s these, like, beautiful moments in life where you kinda like, oh, ai, this can be navigated. This life can be navigated better.
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And one of the best ways to navigate life is to avoid conflict at all at all costs. It never solves anything. It almost always creates problems and people that want conflict all the time are the most miserable people. Yeah. They’re just constantly embroiled in hate and anger and trying to get people back. And, I think people that’s the negative thing that people associate with Trump.
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The negative thing that people associate with Trump is if, like, you hit him, he’s hitting you back harder. Like, he’s got this thing, you know, ai, he called some lady that, you know, one of the ladies that he allegedly had an affair with, he called her horse face on Twitter while he’s a sitting president.
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That is so crazy. So that bothers people because it’s ai that kind of energy. You know, we don’t like that kind of energy, and I think that’s something that people are very apprehensive about for a leader.
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Sure. What was your sense of his energy when he was here?
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It’s he’s very charming. Right? So he’s very friendly to me, and, he also we have a very good mutual friend, Dana White. Sana White loves him. He stuck up for Dana when MMA was, a band sport, and he let them put on his events in, in Trump, Trump Casino in Atlantic City. And so Dana loves the guy, and they’ve always had a good friendship,
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you
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know. He got mad at me one time because I said that RFK Junior was the only god that makes sense. But I was essentially saying it the same way I’m saying it here. Mhmm. It’s ai with RFK Junior as he talks about facts and talks about reality and he talks about issues and he talks about, like, studies and what we know about things.
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He’s just brilliant with his recall, and he doesn’t attack people. And I think we could all use more of that. Even if he’s writing something about something ai in that book, The Real Anthony Fauci, it’s because it’s true and it’s it’s not good information. It affects all of It’s not it’s not ai personally attacking someone. And I think that personal attack stuff is what bothers people.
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And so
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what did he do? He just attacked me. But he attacked me in the craziest way. He said, I wonder how loud Joe Rogan’s gonna get booed at the next time he goes to the UFC. I’m like, hey, bro. Like, out of all the places.
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That’s kinda your home court right there. The place
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is where you think I’m gonna get booed. Come on, man. Yeah. Those fucking people, I’ve been working for that company for 27 years. Like, whatever it’s been. I mean, 9 yeah. When did I start? I started in 97. That was the first time I worked for the UFC. Like, come on.
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That’s a crazy thing to say. Or how about Ai hate Taylor Swift? I forgot to ask him about that one. Did he really tweet that? I think he put it on true social when she endorsed Kamala Harris. If you all capital letters, I hate Taylor Swift.
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I think he he just has this rule.
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So crazy.
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Like, he just has to go out out go after anyone who says anything negative
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about it.
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It’s why he’s still in the game, though. This is you have to realize, like, that’s the kind of guy that even though they throw 40 felonies at him, he’s still in the game, and he’s still all day. He sat here for 3 fucking hours, man. Mhmm. And that didn’t have to pee before, didn’t have to pee afterwards, just gets on the fucking plane, flies to Michigan, does the other thing. He’s 30 minutes late.
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He just goes, man. It’s kind of bizarre. Like, you people you hear about that, like, that’s not true. Like, no. He really stays locked in. He didn’t get tired.
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You know? He was he’s 78 years old, but he was locked in. He’s got a lot of energy.
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It’s unbelievable how much energy he has. And one of the things I said as well is after you you watch his first presidency, he didn’t age. Do you remember Barack Exactly. Barack Obama was like it was like someone drained the color from him.
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Same with Blair.
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Yeah. Yeah. Same with Blair.
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Everybody everybody gets hit hard. The the look at Biden. Biden basically died. I mean, he got to the point where
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You’re gonna get a ai check on that, Jack.
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Every now and then,
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he, I said basically. Every now and then, he fucking will do hold a press conference, and it’s wild. It’s like, so who lets him get to the mic? Is there no he’s still the president. But meanwhile, who’s running this motherfucker? She’s she’s doing podcasts. She’s flying all over the place doing there’s no way you’re paying attention.
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So who’s running this thing?
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Yeah.
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Nancy Saloni? She’s in a bathtub filled with ai.
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Same age, though, as well.
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She’s older. She’s older than all of them. She’s, like, 83.
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You know what it ai of feels like? You know when you’re in school and, like, the teacher leaves, gets called out by, you know, and then it’s just you in the class the rest of the class, and you’re looking around going, what the fuck’s going on?
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Yeah. How are we free? You know what it feels like for me when I use my Tesla and I use auto drive? I’m just hands off, like, Jesus, does this work? I know it’s supposed to work, but I gotta keep my hands here.
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Thank god for the deep state,
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Yeah. Well, they, if if that’s real, if that’s what’s running this thing, I assume it’s his cabinet that’s running everything. But even then, it’s like, who did is that really how it’s supposed to be? It’s kinda not.
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No.
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It’s kinda the weird thing about running for president when you already have a job. It’s ai that’s why people get mad at governors who run for president. It’s like, hey, bro. You’re supposed to be governing. Like, we got a lot of problems here. You’re clearly not it’s like you if you don’t wanna quit your job to apply for another job, the people that arya already employed you are like, hey, fuck face.
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You’re you’re not even here every day. You’re you’re trying to get this other job. This is nuts. Like, I’ve never seen an employee where, you’re not on the job and yet you’re still here. And if you don’t get the new job, you get to come back and be in this job. That’s crazy. Why do we let that happen?
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Like, if you wanna be governor, okay, you’re governor. You wanna run for president, you gotta quit being governor or you gotta do your term out because you’re gonna leave us anyway. Sai, like, if you have 2 more years left and the elections are running, you you’re gonna leave us. You’re gonna leave us high and dry here, you fuckhead.
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Quit the job. Quit the fucking job. You can’t have 2 jobs. So it’s that’s the nuttiest thing about running for president for reelection. Ai?
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So in Kamala Harris’ case, she’s not necessarily really running for reelection because she’s the vice president, but she’s also the vice president that’s running for president. So she has the 2nd most important job in the world, and she’s not doing it because she has to run for the first most important job.
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So who’s doing the job?
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Well
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Who’s doing both jobs? Who’s doing vice where’s the porters are?
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Oh, man. It’s it
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it has that feeling though that you meh, like, in the nineties where you like, I don’t know if you felt like this, and I was much younger, where you just kind of didn’t question it as much. And then all of a sudden, you start questioning things. And it all it does, it leads you down from 1 rabbit hole to another rabbit hole to another rabbit hole.
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You know, it’s like people always used to say to us when we started trigonometry. They were like, you know, the whole free speech thing is bullshit. Blah blah blah. You just sana be able to say racist things. You’re a ai and then And
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they were right.
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Then they were You know? And that’s why It’s
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a true
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text list. Yeah. Whoever booked him is shitting their pants
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right now. Why did you do that? I I tell all comedians, don’t ever do comedy at something that’s not a comedy event. Don’t do it. Don’t ever do comedy at a place that’s doing also. Yeah. You know, you’re gonna is is it gonna have a bunch of speak? Are you gonna go up and do 10 minutes? Don’t ever do that. It’s a terrible setup. It’s a terrible setup.
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And it’s a political rally, and you’re doing jokes like you’re in a comedy club. It doesn’t you can’t
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don’t do it. I don’t really blame Tony though, because Tony is what Tony is. Right? Like, if you want an insult comic, Tony is the best in the world.
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That’s literally his his his great specialty is roasting. Right. The best roaster ever.
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If you book Tony Hinchcliffe, Tony Hinchcliffe is gonna be Tony Hinchcliffe.
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Exactly.
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So whoever fucking booked him, that’s the person that’s that’s made the mistake.
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Booked him, but apparently went over his material.
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Did they go over his material? Oh my.
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Oh my.
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This is what I’ve read on the Internet, so it must be true.
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In the words of Donald Trump, someone’s getting fired, man.
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I gotta tell you that joke kills at comedy clubs. I don’t like the joke, but it kills. And I said to him, I don’t it’s just ai if you’re Puerto Rican and you hear that in the audience, ai, oh, but it’s a funny joke. The joke does well. But I said to him, I go, dude, that’s the one’s gonna get you stabbed. Really? Yes.
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And he used to talk about it on stage saying, Joe Rogan always says that’s the one’s gonna get me stabbed, like Wow. Which is so crazy.
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Yeah.
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I think he’d picked stabbed at this point given the shit that’s going down.
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I think it’ll blow over Yeah. Just like all these things do.
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Yeah. And
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there’s there’s people that are that are always gonna hate someone like Tony, and it’s gonna make other people love him more. It’s just ai he’s going through it right now. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You know? He’s going through the storm.
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As somebody who, you know, has wound up, you know, who winds people up, we, you know, we’ve wound people up on our time.
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You guys are winders.
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We get caught in something beginning with w, right? Yeah.
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Oh, well, you guys that’s a negative over there, wanker. You can call someone a wanker here and it’s just ai Yeah.
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Yeah. Sure. It’s
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like calling them a cracker. Yeah. It doesn’t really work.
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But Or a hockey.
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But when I saw what Tony did, I went, alright, mate. You’re in a different league now to me. That is another level.
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Yeah. Obama was, quoting his bit, but he’s quoting it like it was a statement.
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Ai.
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Which is really fucked up. He was quoting it like he was saying someone called Puerto Rico an island of garbage. But you know that’s a joke. That’s like going to a Quentin Tarantino movie, and then the man killed that woman. Like, he didn’t really kill that woman. That was a that’s, like, a doll. Yeah.
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You know, this is a movie. No one died. Everyone’s fine. They all like each other.
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But if you give them ammunition
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Yeah. It’s the problem. We we were discussing this to the bathroom. Like, it’s like, that’s their job. That’s what they have to do.
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They gotta do.
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That’s their job.
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You give them ammunition, they can use it.
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Of course, they’re gonna do it. That’s what they do. Like, you you can’t assume they’re gonna be a good person and not use it in this critical moment. What how many days are we? Like, 8 days of it before the election? That’s crazy. That’s so soon. Of course, you’re gonna use everything. I’d use it too.
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But you know what? It nicely encapsulates modern politics because it’s a storm about nothing. It’s a storm about a joke at a ram. And actually, everybody’s focusing on that instead of the huge problems that America has which we all need to be discussing and we need to be discussing in a calm serious and sober manner because for example if you have an open border that’s an existential crisis because if you can’t control your borders you don’t have a country But we don’t talk about that really.
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We’re getting we’re getting upset because Tony Hynchkeff came along and called Puerto Rico a ram But
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he didn’t even call it. He made a joke.
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Yeah. Exactly. He made a joke.
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This is an island of trash. Yeah. It’s called Puerto here’s what’s where that joke comes from. Tony is actually obsessed with the Pacific garbage patch
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Uh-huh.
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And, ai the fact that we just throw like, we’re talking about, like, recycling. Like, recycling doesn’t work. They don’t do it. Most of your bottles when you throw in a ai, they get put in landfills. So there’s a landfill in Puerto Rico that’s way overflowed. Puerto Rico has a legitimate trash problem because they’re on an ai, like, where are you gonna put it? Right? There’s all these people living on that ai.
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Where are you gonna put it? And so they have landfills. Their landfills are way over capacity. So that’s where the joke came from.
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Right.
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But the joke came from, like, Tony being environmentally conscious
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recycling. Yeah. They don’t seem to taken it that way.
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But the from his roaster perspective, that’s where the joke comes from. Totally. I think it’s called Puerto Rico. And you say it and everybody laughs.
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Yeah. Yeah. And actually, we were at the rally, and people say no one laughed. Not quite true. Like, it didn’t get a big laugh, but it it it got a bit of a laugh.
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It’s funny joke. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s
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you know, even Jon Stewart said it was a funny joke. Yeah. Which I thought was great of him.
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He had much better ones that got a bigger response. But yeah.
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It’s a terrible people, like, well, it wasn’t funny. Right. Because it was it was a terrible setup for comedy. Everything was wrong. If you were at a comedy club and the guy did that set, you’d be laughing. It’s just a bad setup. Everything’s wrong. It’s ai, you don’t go to see acoustic music while people are using jackhammers around you. Right? Like, it’s not the right setup. Right.
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You wanna go where somewhere it’s quiet.
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Yeah.
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And stand up comedy should be done in a comedy ai, in in a club or in I mean, there is a great video though, I should say, of Don Rickles. Don Rickles in the have you seen that in
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the Reagan’s inauguration? Yeah. Yeah.
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He Don Rickles was a g boy. He was a funny man. He was so good. He was he it really translates ai. Like, you watch that sai. It really translates today. But I think Don Rickles was almost ai he was in this category of ultra famous comedian. Right? He was in this Dave Chappelle type category Mhmm. Where just seeing Don Rickles, all of a bryden, it was a comedy show. Mhmm.
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Like, oh meh god, Don Rickles is here. Tony Heathcliff does not have that. Right? If Dave Chappelle went up and did 10 minutes in front of Donald Trump or 10 minutes in front of Kamala Harris, that’s a different thing. Because it’s ai he’s a cultural ai, and you immediately go into stand up comedy mode. Like, oh, shah. Chappelle’s here. Right? That’s what Don Rickles had with Reagan.
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Tony doesn’t have that. It’s a bad thing to do. The whole thing’s bad. It’s like doing a bachelor party. Bachelor parties,
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it’s like day 1, whores and cocaine.
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Why is this guy telling jokes? But it’s just a bad environment. It’s a bad environment for comedy. And, you know, that joke, I I would have told him, don’t you fucking dare do that joke. I never, like, sat down with him. I didn’t know what bits bits he was gonna do. But then I already did that joke. I was like, oh, oh, Jesus, Tony. Here he comes.
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I think there are comedians probably who I I think Tony is the wrong type of comedian for that environment. If you had someone come in who wasn’t a roast comedian, who actually made everyone feel good and, like, who’s clean
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Who could do it, who could do it, and just talk about cultural issues and get everybody to laugh is Jimmy Dore. Jimmy Dore is really good at that. He’s he could do something like that because he’s so knowledgeable when it comes to politics. He could bridge the gaps between humor and fact and reality and what what we’re up against. He could do that. Mhmm. But it’s not Tony’s wheelhouse, man.
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Tony’s just talking shit about people’s clothes
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and stuff. Like, he’s very
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fucking very shallow with that. Like, his comedy is all just you’re you’re a loser. You know, it’s but it’s fun. It’s ai and he’ll get through it. It’s, you know, he’s going through a storm and that’s what happens with all these things with people like that. But but it’s good for him too.
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Like, when he got canceled in the past, he came back way stronger as a comic because he felt like he had to prove something. Like, it made him really tighten up his material, like, really edit things well and really, like, write sharp stuff. That’s what’ll happen with him. He’ll come back better.
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Yeah. The thing I really like about Tony is Tony’s a fighter. You can tell. When we interviewed him on our show and we talked to him, I’m like, you’re a fighter. You’re you know, that’s who essentially he is, and he’s gonna come from back from this better and stronger. And it look.
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It’s everybody who is smart realizes that this is a storm about nothing, and it’s being used and politicized and weaponized by the Democrat party because that’s what they do. That’s what every side do.
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It’s effective. Ai, that’s their job. Like, it makes sense that they would do that. That’s literally their job. Their job is to win this fucking election. And if they can win this election by finding some lady who says Trump fingered her in the eighties,
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then roll her out. Roll her out.
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Like, who else you got? You know, there’s, like, all kinds of crazy allegations on both sides. There’s I’ve I’ve seen nutty things that I don’t even wanna repeat about Kamala Harris, and I’m sure aren’t true, but it doesn’t matter. They’re just throwing things out there as much as possible. The the thing is, like, most people aren’t even paying attention to them.
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It makes me so angry, you know. Ai I like, ai great grandfather, he died on the eastern front fighting actual Nazis. These comparisons are just they’re illegitimate. And what they do also is they take the power away from the words because now if you say this guy is a Nazi, there are some Nazis.
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Ai open your fucking Twitter feed. There’s some Nazis. There are some
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real Nazis.
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Right? But if you say that ai a Nazi, no one takes it seriously anymore.
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Right. But there were some other things at the rally that people got offended ai, and one of them was that guy’s name Steven Miller? Is that his name?
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Yeah.
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He he’s he yelled something like Meh is for Americans. Like some something like that. Let’s see what he said. See what he said.
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I don’t remember that part.
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That was a weird one, I thought, because I’m like, okay. What’s an American? They’re all immigrants. Though it’s a literal country full of immigrants. So what you know, it’s not like saying German, Germany is for Germans. Right? Because, you know That
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has a different vibe
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to it. It does. It does.
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A bad example.
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I I should have said, like, Portugal is for Portuguese.
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Right? Yeah.
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So they got Germanies for the Germans. You’re like, oh, mate. Yeah.
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Chill out. Chill
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out.
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But it’s that same kind of rhetoric to get people ai, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Ai are you yelling that? Like, what he’s saying? Like, I really like the way JD Vance talks. Mhmm. He’s not screamy, yell y. It’s ai very smooth, and he’s very coordinated. Very good.
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Meh. He’s a shah guy.
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Very good at being very intelligent ai, very good at being a politician. Mhmm. And he does these interviews, which is interesting too because he’ll talk to all these people. He’ll talk to CNN, always for the corner. I’m gonna try to corner him on stuff. It’s interesting what people admit to and what they won’t admit to, what they won’t talk about.
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You know, like, did you see Jake Jake Tapper and him got
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out of it? Yeah. Jake Tapper. He looks so good with the media, man. He’s very good at breaking the cops that they say.
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So what does he say? Americans for Americans only? Let’s see what he’s how he says it. Listen to how he says it.
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America is for Americans and Americans only.
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Alright. Settle down, bro. That that’s goofy. Yeah. That’s goofy because yeah. Right. But what is America? America is literally a country of immigrants. You know? There’s a I want you guys to be Americans. You know? I know people that have moved here to become Americans. Best pool player in the world, Frodo Gerst.
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He’s from Russia. Mhmm. Became an American citizen. He’s American now. He plays literally on the Moscone Cup, which is ai America’s pool team. He’s American.
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Ever America is everybody from everywhere. That’s literally what we are. We are the the actual melting pot. So America is for Americans only. Like, okay. What does that mean?
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Yeah.
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How about let’s not let in criminals, rapists, and murderers? Right. How about that? How about let’s vet the terrorists before they come across the world? How about say that? Because America is for Americans only. Like, okay.
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Totally. And, you know, we’ve traveled to many countries. I have to say, when it comes to legal immigration, I haven’t been to a place that’s more pro immigrant at the level of the ordinary person Right. Than this country.
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Well, we love an immigrant success story.
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Right.
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We love a guy who comes here from Nigeria and now he’s worth a $1,000,000,000 and he made his own computer company. Like, holy shit. Look at that. This guy came from nothing. We love a come from nothing. We don’t that’s the things that, my friends from England always tell me is that there’s this real, sort of, there’s an idea in the culture, like, to keep people in their place.
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Yeah.
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And they don’t like when someone has, like, wild aspirations, and they’ll try to shit on you. He says there’s no support at all for you, like, chasing your dream.
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Tall poppy syndrome, we call it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look. Francis was born in the UK. I I came there when I was 11. I love Britain, but there is this element where you’re not supposed to strive. You’re not supposed to think you’re special. You’re not supposed to try and achieve too much.
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Like Yeah. Everyone loves you as long as you’re not too successful. But if you really think you you wanna be successful, it becomes more difficult. And that’s why a lot of those people end up coming here.
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Because they fucking give up the your your, tabloids are brutal. Yeah. Your tabloids over there are bryden. And the laws are, like, different.
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And now the tax system too. With this government that we have now, they’re literally we’re losing more millionaires than any other country in the world except China.
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Did France do that at one point in ai? Enact an an enormous tax and a a shit ton of people left, and they wound up losing money?
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Lots of countries done. It doesn’t work because rich people don’t have to live there.
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But that’s why we have to have one world government to detach everyone. Don’t you understand? You can’t just keep letting people move move to favorable spots.
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That’s how
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America got started in the meh place. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
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With Ai,
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this is what what we’re seeing in the UK as far as I’m concerned, and Ai sure Constance has his own view on this, is we’re seeing, for me, the slow creep of, I would say, soft authoritarianism, but not even that. You look at Scotland. So Scotland, on April 1st, ironically enough, brought in hate speech hate speech bill, they called it.
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It it came into law, and that has now criminalized public performance, sai which includes stand up comedy.
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Yeah. I’ve heard that, but the problem is they have that enormous festival there every year.
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Yeah. The yeah. The Edinburgh Comedy Festival.
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Edinburgh is, like, famous worldwide. It’s
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the biggest comedy it’s the biggest arts festival in the world.
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Yeah. Arya Shaffir ram done it, like, multiple times. He raves about it. He’s like, you have to go.
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You have to go, Edinburgh.
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Like, no, I don’t.
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Shut up. No. You don’t. You have to go.
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But he said it’s, like, you should go there and do American stand up because they’re they’re basically ai a lot of them are telling stories and they have a theme every year. But he goes, it’s really cool though. It’s a cool, like, art art environment. So if they come along and say that all that stuff’s hate speech now, you’ve you’ve killed the whole thing.
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Well, Tony would be in be if he’d done that joke there, he would be in be being investigated by the police right now.
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Well, he’d probably be in jail if he’s in Canada. Not not legitimately.
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This is not an exaggeration.
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Yeah. Yeah. No. I’m sure he would be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s danger. That’s the whole thing we’re talking about. It’s like left wing ideas used to be free speech is important. I mean, that’s why if you go back and, like, even in, like, left
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wing
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magazines and, like, remember when Gore Vidal and William f Buckley had that debate? That was a a brilliant moment. Right? Because that was kind of, like, one of the first podcasts.
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Mhmm.
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Because they played it on if you haven’t seen that, what is the, documentary about something best something enemies? It’s a great meh, but it shows that the network that put it on, I think it was ABC, was getting killed in the ratings. Mhmm. And, otherwise, they would have never done this. And so they just decided to, like, let’s just take a chance. And it became this enormous success.
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Mhmm.
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Because everybody was under Best of Enemies.
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Right.
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It’s really fantastic. It’s a great documentary. And, you know, William f Buckley is ai of the stuff shirt, kinda douchey ai wing guy with a pretty good vocabulary. And Gore Vidal, who is brilliant, he’s but a weirdo, man. He wrote that nutty book about a transgender woman who like Raquel Welch played in the movie.
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It’s the craziest book that he turned into a movie. It’s a really nutty movie about, like, a guy becomes a woman and she’s really hot and then becomes a man again. And it’s ai there’s a lot of sex in the movie, like, it’s it’s like a perverted, bizarre, twisted movie.
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Sounds very progressive, Joe.
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It was. He’s way it was it was so progressive that nobody understood
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what the fuck he was doing.
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It’s ai, what? He’s so far ahead of his time. Mhmm. But, you know, that was the left back then. You could you know, you were kind of free to talk about anything.
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And this is the thing that is fascinating about that Scottish bill.
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Myra Breckenridge, I bought it on DVD.
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I’m not surprised you You can’t
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you can’t stream it anywhere. Raquel Ai. First of all, the idea that any man could ever look like Raquel Welch, like, shut the fuck up unless she’s in Thailand. This is not the picture was controversial for sexual explicitness, including acts like female on male rape, but ai the novel, received little to no critical praise and has been cited as one of the worst films
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ever made.
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In subsequent decades, the film has developed a cult following. It’s a crazy movie.
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Yeah. It’s it’s so interesting, like, the the way that we, you know, things were seeded at one point in culture and now they’ve become mainstream. Ai, I was, I was at the gym and then the the words, the the the song Lola by The Kinks
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came out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Transgender song.
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Yeah. I’m not done, but I can’t understand why she walks like a woman and talks like a man Saloni.
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La Lola Lola. Yeah.
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Yeah. It’s a great fucking song.
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Yeah. Yeah. And then you listen to it, and you go, this is really progressive. And then it ends with, I know what she is. She’s a man. So and then I’m like, well, you’d get canceled for this bit now.
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Bro, you know the craziest sana. The craziest song is Brown Sugar.
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Rolling Stone doesn’t even play Brown Sugar anymore. I went to see them in concert and they they said they would not put what they’ve already said in interviews. It’s, like, it’s too controversial a song. And then I saw the lyrics. Like, I had only heard the song. I had never, like, read the lyrics.
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And sai, you know when Mick Jagger singing, it’s hard to understand what the fuck he’s saying? You know, because it’s ai he’s singing. Like, he’s making sounds out of the words that’s are pleasing more than he’s communicating, like, really clearly. Pull up the lyrics to Brown Sugar. Wait till you read this.
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Have you read it?
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I I I remember some lines, but not the full thing. Let’s see this.
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Bro. This this one is ai, yo.
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I saw an interview with Keith Richards where they were ai where the where the person said to him and maybe this was Keith Richards fucking about with the journalist where the journalist went, so, you know, obviously, bryden sugar’s about heroin. And Keith Richards went, no, bro. It’s about sleeping with black women. And he went, okay. Let’s change the subject.
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Not just black. It was slaves. Gold Coast slave ship bound for cotton fields sold in the market down in New Orleans. Scarred old slaver knows he’s doing alright. Hear him whip the women just around midnight. Brown sugar, how come you taste so good? Okay. Brown sugar just like a young girl should.
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Drums bryden cold, English blood runs hot, lady of the house wondering when it’s gonna stop. House boy knows that he’s doing alright. You should have heard him just around midnight. Brown sugar. Brown sugar. Oh, I meh it. Oh, get it on bryden sugar. How come he tastes so good, baby? Okay.
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Just like a black girl should. Now I bet your mama was a tent show queen, and all her boyfriends were sweet 16. I’m no schoolboy, but I know what I like. You should have heard me just around midnight. It’s a crazy song.
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It’s a saloni cold banger, though.
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It’s a banger.
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It’s a banger.
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The moment. Fantastic song. But imagine if you put that song out today. People be like, yo. What the fuck? That should get you vatsal. Like, if you did that at a Trump rally. Like, if the if the Rolling Stones came out, it did brown sugar at a Trump rally. If they opened up, ladies and gentlemen, the Rolling Stones, and they did brown sugar.
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Bro, but the world has changed so fast. Yeah. My wife and I watched Friends the other day. You couldn’t make friends now.
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Ai. Right. You can’t.
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We like, we used to watch it regularly. We watched one episode. We were ai, this is this is ai, it’s transphobic. It’s racist. It’s a whole bunch of shit.
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That’s why it’s funny.
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Well, have you ever seen Ace Ventura Meh Detective? Yeah. Holy shit. Try watching that again. You’re ai, yo, you couldn’t make this movie at all today. So many great comedies. There’s no fucking way Tropic Thunder gets made today. No. No way. It’s one of the greatest comedies of all time. It’s a phenomenal movie.
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You couldn’t make it. Do you think do do you
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think this is, like, outright a bad thing or outright a good thing? Or do you think it’s kinda halfway? Like, what do you think of it?
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It’s gonna force courage. Right? Because people obviously wanna see those ai of movies. It’s just someone’s gonna have to have the courage to make it. And if they do have the courage to make it, it will get criticized, but it’ll also be wildly successful.
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Right.
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If they really went for it and made a super bad today, like a fucking all out crazy comedy, it would be huge. People would be so happy. So the only people that are reaping the rewards of that desire for rebellion are comics. We’re the only ones. Mhmm. Comics and podcasters and mostly podcasters are comics, ai, a lot of them are
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at least
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sai least the comedy podcast.
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But that’s the thing. There is now a vacuum. There is now a vacuum for people to step in because it got to the point, particularly with TV comedy in the UK, and I remember saying it to comics in a comedy club, people’s WhatsApp group is now funnier than TV comedy and part of the reason is because if everybody saw your WhatsApp group we’d all be canceled.
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Ai. Right. Right. Especially the ones I have.
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But it’s but it’s not just you, man. It’s everybody. It’s everybody. Everybody’s hiding.
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Right? Everybody’s hiding. It’s talking shit. Right? This is what’s fun about memes. Like, I don’t believe the thing in the meme is true, but it’s funny. It’s a funny, crazy thing to say.
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But why did we get to a point where we just believe that every joke was true? That every joke was a statement of fact.
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Which we don’t believe it, but certain people wanna use it because there are words written on paper or words spoken out loud and they wanna use it as if it’s a real statement. Just like the analogy I made about Quentin Tarantino movies.
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Like, it’s
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not really killing anybody in those movies. It’s like you wanna pretend that this thing that this person’s doing you could decide it sucks. You could decide it’s hate for you you don’t like it. It’s, you know, it’s not your ai of comedy. It’s punching down. You can come up with all sorts of reasons why you don’t like it.
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But that’s, like, the same kind of reasons why you don’t like ACDC, you know, and you like Liz Faire. Like, everybody has their own thing that they like and don’t like. But you can’t pretend that it’s a statement. It’s not a statement.
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Right.
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It’s comedy. And it’s if I swear to God, if you see him do it on stage, it fucking kills.
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Yeah. Yeah. This is why I am excited though, ai. Because look at you, you just had one of the former president, presidential candidate. By the time of the next election, it’s gonna be everyone’s gonna be doing podcasts. There’s no getting away from it.
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Well, what’s interesting is, something happened. I’m sure it was a mistake at YouTube where you couldn’t search for it.
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I’m like, I’m sure it
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was a mistake.
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It has to be a mistake.
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That was
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my purpose. And so if you googled, Bryden Trump
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They got to Joe. They got to Joe. I just apologize.
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Get you could only get clips. You couldn’t watch the whole episode. You couldn’t find it. Yeah. And so we reached out to them a couple of times, and they fixed it to their credit. So now you could find it.
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Okay.
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But sai in the meantime, Elon was furious. And so Elon contacted Daniel Ek at Spotify, and they put it on x as well. So now it’s on x. The full so now it has way more views. Because I think on Elon’s alone what is it on Elon’s alone? Because Elon posted it and I posted it. This morning, like, right I posted it last ai. I woke up. It was, like, sai half 1000000 views on mine and 8 +1000000 on his.
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So it’s just it’s a you can’t suppress shit. It doesn’t work. This is the Internet. This is 2024. People are gonna realize what you’re doing.
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If you try to make it so that something can’t come up in a search engine because it’s too popular first of all, if that’s not trending, you tell me what the fuck is. Woah. Okay. So what’s it about now? 8,600,000 on ai, and what’s it on on Elon’s? Because he has a lot more people on his than me.
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So that’s just from last night. But you you can’t fucking suppress shit anymore. Like, when you’re saying that that’s why is that not in the trending? You have a trending thing? What’s your trending thing really then? If one show has 36,000,000 downloads in 2 days, like, that’s not trending?
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Like, what’s trending for you, mister Beast? Like, I know he gets a little more than that, but
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12,000,000 for Elon.
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So he’s at 12. So
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it’s 20,000,000 total.
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It hit 20,000,000 in a day just on x, and that’s just us. There’s a ton of clips. There’s a ton of other accounts that have done it illegally when they’ve taken the episode, the full episode, and uploaded it. Right. So who knows how many views those have?
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Sai, Joe, can I just check why do you say you’re you’re certain it was just a mistake?
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It’s just a mistake. I’m being sarcastic. Oh. Oh.
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I didn’t get that. Oh. Now it ai my turn to miss the sarcasm. Ai. Yeah.
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Yeah. That’s like there’s no way it was a mistake. That’s too convenient. But it could have been ai some rogue engineer. You know, there’s a lot of people that are working behind the scenes.
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This is not switching to what That is so dumb though.
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But there’s a video you could watch the video of, people searching for it.
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Oh, I
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ai it.
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Find it.
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Sai it wasn’t showing up yet. You couldn’t find it.
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I couldn’t find it. And then it got to the point where you could you only had to write you had to write Joe Bryden. They fixed it a little where you write Joe Rogan Trump interview, and then it would come up. But if you just wrote Rogan Trump, only you get the the clips.
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Do you think it kind of worked for the Hunter Biden laptop story? The what what they did and their tactics around it. Now obviously, it came out later and it was a big scandal, but at the time, it kind of worked. Yeah. Do you think they might have thought, well, you know, it kind of worked for this, therefore, we we should try it for this?
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I think they’re desperate because they had no idea it was gonna be that popular, and it’s a runaway train, and they hate it because ideologically they’re opposed to the idea of him being more popular. It’s just like what we were talking about before, the the left wing being in control of these these massive media distribution companies like YouTube or like Facebook.
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They’re they’re massive companies. They have so much influence on everything, and they didn’t like that this one was slipping away. And so they they did something, and Jamie showed me, like, the image of the interactions. Like, when it when they did that, it dropped off a cliff because people couldn’t find it. So they just gave up or they just watched the clips.
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So you see, like, how much downloads it’s getting, and then it just
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What about that claim about the reporting taking it down?
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What’s that?
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Yeah. That could be it too. Right? They were saying that ram mass report something enough. So what was the actual claim? Like, somebody posted I sent sana it to you. Right?
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Basically, what you’re about to say, if you mass report something enough, it might have just taken it out of the search because it wasn’t like, they didn’t delete the video from our channel
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or anything. Right.
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So that could be it in the search.
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That could
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be it. But that’s also the same thing. Right? Because it’s people that are on the left that are mass reporting something to try to silence it rather than just letting people do it. So maybe it’s not the company itself, but it’s the people that are attached to the ideology the company follows.
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And they think that you should be able to do something about a conversation like that.
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But it’s so stupid, Joe. It’s so ridiculous because I I look at that and I go, like you said, all you’re gonna do is you’re gonna bring more eyeballs to it because everyone’s gonna think, hang on. They’re gonna they they what they well, I’m definitely gonna watch it now.
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Yeah.
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But sai Ai just don’t understand. And this is me being a little bit naive and whatever else. And go, why not for the Democrat party? Why don’t you do this? I know it’s gonna blow everyone’s mind. Why don’t you get the best possible candidate that you can and just go in on Trump?
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He’s got force.
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Why this election is so dangerous. The reason why this election is so dangerous is we’ve accepted that someone could be the representative without going through a primary. So because we had to get rid of Joe Biden and everybody kind of agreed after the debate, like, oh my god. He’s literally falling apart.
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And they decided not to have a primary. And so once they do that, then then you have the whole machine behind it because there’s a desperate attempt to redefine who this person is in front of everybody’s eyes. This person that everybody thought, like, uses word ai, and all of a bryden, now they’re the number one person. This is the this is our our savior.
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Barack Obama’s behind her. Everybody’s behind her. Like, it has to happen like that. And that’s kind of crazy because they don’t have much time, and they’re kind of manufacturing a thing. So, like, they’re gonna try everything. It’s like a desperado time.
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This is a part of the problem with right now.
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I would have thought they would have learned that lesson the last election because they tried this shah, and it backfired massively. That’s why Zuckerberg is now stepping back from it. I don’t know if you saw Jeff Bezos’s article in the Washington Post.
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Yeah. I did.
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It it feels to me ai at least though, among those guys, the tide is turning, man. They they they don’t seem to be keen to interfere in anything like the way that they did before.
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And also as well, just a final point. It’s not like the Dems don’t have form for this as well. Look what they did to Bernie in 2016. Right. So Right. Just go what? Again and again and again, you’re gonna do it? How are people gonna have faith in your party?
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Yeah. But people don’t look at that. Isn’t that wild? They don’t look at the idea that they Bernie was getting too popular, and that was the first experience that I really had with, like, getting attacked by the mainstream news. It’s ai CNN was, saying that Bernie was on my show, that my show was sexist and racist or whatever the fuck it was.
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And, you know, that Bernie was doing a terrible thing by coming on my show. And that was when I I sai, I was, like, oh, they’re trying to get rid of Bernie. Like, this is really interesting, like, why are they turn, like, that you have the most popular podcast in the country, why wouldn’t you sana express his ideas out to the world?
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Because they didn’t want him and he was appealing after that kind of a conversation. And you’re, like, oh, so you’re just gonna take a fraction of a penny off of speculative trades and you’ll be able to fund all these things ai education and really? Can you really do that? And I ai, like, okay. Tell me what you can do. Like, you’re you’ve been around this fucking rodeo for a long ass time.
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Maybe this guy’s got a way of looking at things that is, meh maybe it’s maybe it’ll work. And then I saw the machine, and then they got him out of the primaries. I was like, woah. This is kinda crazy. And they’re willing to do that.
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They did it with RFK. Right? They they they would not let him have a primary. They wouldn’t allow him to compete against Joe Bryden. No fucking way.
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They they had one guy and that was Joe Biden until it wasn’t. And then when it wasn’t, it was like, okay. Kamala, you gotta be it. And then they just went hard pushing her through, and it worked really good until some of these interviews. Right.
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Because that those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk. You know, you have live cameras in front of you and all these people, and already she’s gotta be aware of how many people are hating on her. She has to be aware. She has to be aware of how many people don’t think she deserves a spot. She just got in.
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Joe, can I ask you something? Who’s the they? Right? Dude, this is the thing I’m genuinely wondering. Who’s the they that’s trying to get Bernie not to run? Who’s the
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they? First of all, it’s the DNC. Clearly, if you read Donna Ai book.
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But there’s sana be, like, 1 guy or 1 gal at the top of that. Right?
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I think so. I think there’s an organization. I think, you know, you do you got your Nancy Pelosi’s and all the people that are in power. And one thing to consider, if you’re you’re thinking about, like, well, like, why would they want Kamala Harris over anybody else? Because first of all, everybody who works in the administration right now is in the Biden Harris administration. They would like to keep those jobs. Mhmm.
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Well, I’d like to keep this job.
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That makes sense.
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What do I have to do to keep this job? And those are essentially the people that are running the show because she’s busy and he’s not there. So, like, those people wanna keep their jobs. So that’s what you’re experiencing right
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now.
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But meh, you know sorry, Francis. Just to finish on Meh. Ai, it sounds like a trite and rather obvious thing to sai, but you’re running to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Right. You gotta be able to fucking talk, man.
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Yes. Yes. Well, if
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I’m We don’t even say this because it’s so fucking obvious, but but you’ve gotta be able to communicate.
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Well, that’s why we have primaries. Right? That’s what because being a leader is a little bit more than having qualifications. Right? It’s being able to execute in real time under pressure. That’s what those debates are all about. It’s not just about, like, who’s got the better ideas.
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You could have them both write an article and find out who’s got the better ideas. Mhmm. It’s about seeing them kinda perform under pressure and respond under pressure. We wanna see how you handle the cooker. That’s why we like those crowds. You know, when you do those debates in front of crowds, it’s a bigger cooker.
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You know? Mhmm. We’re we’re trying to figure out whether or not you can handle it. And by having no primary and having her just go right through and then keeping RFK junior away from Biden even before that, like, this does not give a lot of people faith that you are following the ideals that this country was founded on.
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And if you’re just if you’re going on your own way just because you wanna win, okay, you’ve kind of taken over this system and subverted it. You’ve changed it.
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Well, let’s say you get elected though. You’re gonna be sitting across from Xi Jinping Yeah. And Vladimir Putin.
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Right.
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If you can’t fucking talk
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Right.
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How’s that gonna go?
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Well, good thing, they don’t speak English. They say they did what she said and make it sound brilliant. It’s gonna make even less
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sense to explain it. Believe me.
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It is you know, they’re not worried at all. But, also, they have been doing that job for how long? How long has, Putin been in charge of Russia? How many years now?
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Since 1999. 25 years.
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Okay. 25 years being a leader of Russia, and Xi Jinping controls China with an iron fist. And he’s been doing that for how long?
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Right. Sai don’t know, but a long time.
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A long time. So you have people that that’s it’s one of the vulnerabilities of American politics is its strength. And one of the strengths is that you don’t have someone who stays in and just keeps running things and becomes a dictator. You have to get out of there after 8 years at most.
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The bad part about it is every 4 fucking years, we have someone who’s new doing the hardest job in the world that’s they’ve never done it before. Like, even Trump said, like, at the beginning of his term, he did not know how to appoint people. He didn’t know who to trust, and trusted a bunch of people he shouldn’t have trusted, and he put a bunch of people in there that he should have put in.
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So for years of that, he got a handle on it, and now he has a completely different perspective. Why? Because he did the job already. Because he’s he’s already been in there running it. Like, he goes, oh, kinda. He’s a businessman.
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It’s like, I see why this is fucking up, and I need to get smarter people in here. And so what does he do? He he he talks to Chamath about being the head of the FDA. He talks to Elon about coming up with some government efficiency agency. He talks to RFK about taking care of health care.
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He’s, like, delegating to people that are very good at
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it now.
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And, like, some these people that could actually impart a real change, not like a sort of fucking a fugazy change where you just, like, put on a different mask. No. A real change of the system. And that’s one of the reasons why the resistance against it is so hard because so many people are gonna be out of work.
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And you know what? I found really interesting looking at the Democrats. We’ve you look back at the Bernie 2016 thing. They didn’t appoint Bernie. They appointed their person, Hillary. Right? Trump took a lot of Bernie’s talking points and went on and won the election. And you and because it spoke to the average American.
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And they the average American felt no connection with Hillary whatsoever. Yeah. So you’re actually going, if you had just got and been fair, Bernie might actually have won. He might actually have won because he had cut through with the average Meh. But they didn’t want that they appointed their person and then they ended up losing and then they had a tantrum and said it was Russia interference and all the rest of it.
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Yeah. No. It was you. You stopped the the person who actually could have won the election for you who could have cut through to the average American. You didn’t want that and you screwed it up for yourself, and then you had a tantrum at the end of it blaming everyone.
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And then there was also the polls. Right? The polls had her winning, like, by a huge margin. I think on election night, it was ai a 90% chance shah was gonna be the president. Something crazy. So for him to show that the polls were bullshit, that it’s good in a way, but it’s also, like, now they’re gonna tighten things down significantly.
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If the same sort of apparatus that would keep a guy like Bernie Sanders out or a guy like Robert f Kennedy junior out, they’re not playing fair. This is they’re not interested in playing fair. They’re interested in winning is whatever the fuck it takes to get through this thing and win. They wanna keep their jobs.
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It’s just it’s ai they’re they’re engaging in corporate warfare. It’s like or legal fair. It’s like they’re used they’re weaponizing the justice system to go after their opponent. They’re doing everything they can. All of the things.
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What’s your sense of how it’s gonna go?
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I have zero idea. Zero idea. I do not like that the people are suing to make sure that voter ID isn’t required. People are suing to stop people from using ID to vote. That’s the only reason why you would do that is you want people to vote that shouldn’t be voting. That’s the only reason. That doesn’t make any sense.
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You know, we’ve been here a week now. I’ve had to show ID to get into a bar, to rent a car, to rent a hotel ram. Like Yeah. This is ridiculous. Everyone has fucking ID.
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The but the saying it’s racist to require ID is so crazy, or it’s bad for poor rural Americans to to require ID. That’s crazy. They have cars. They everyone has a car.
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I saw some states on the Internet ai be wrong, but it’s it’s showed the ethnic minorities actually have a higher support for ID for voting than than white
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Probably because they went through it to get a fucking ID.
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Right.
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Right? Sai think minorities went through it, became American citizens, actually got the legal right to vote. They’re proud of it. And they’re like, ai, do what I did. Don’t just cheat.
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You know?
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You guys are cheating.
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Seems like a reasonable point. That’s so reasonable.
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But anybody who would say that that’s not reasonable only wants to win. Right? You know, I’m pretty left of center for the most part, and I Ai see that. I’m like, that’s crazy. You can’t that doesn’t make any sense sense at all. You can’t say people don’t need IDs because it’s racist or it’s whatever it is.
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It’s
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You know, I classic. And and the thing is they talk about classes. Right? And I’d start like, I I used to work when I was teaching. I used to work in a lot of ai communities. Really, really like, people were struggling. Like, if people made it to the end of the week with food on the table and they paid their bills, that was a win. That was an absolute win.
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And having worked in those communities, those people are more anti illegal immigration than the inverted commas elites because illegal immigration brings down their wages it brings down it brings down their ability to earn it means that the jobs that they do get obliterated and they can no longer afford to feed their families.
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Right. It’s basic economics sai this idea that oh you know immigration is a right wing issue it’s bullshit immigration is actually a left wing issue and you look at all staunch what you would consider to be old school lefties they are all no we need to control immigration to protect the rights and wages of workers.
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It’s why when we had Brexit in our country people said oh it’s right wing. It wasn’t that I know so many blue collar guys who voted Brexit they weren’t racist they weren’t any of those things but as one of them explained to me he was like look Francis I’ve got no problem with immigration but at this point it just feels like my wages are getting lower and lower and lower.
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I’ve got a kid on the way. I can’t afford to live on this. And you and to to then smear that person as right wing it’s it’s it’s obscene.
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It it’s also you’re giving power to the people that take advantage of these illegal immigrants, air quotes, because they can get those people to work for less money. So you’re empowering bad people to use cheap illegal labor And that that becomes a problem because they’d use it all the time, especially there’s no inspections.
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I mean, how many different plants have been busted across the country using illegal aliens? It happens all the time. Construction sites happens all the time. In fact, Tim Dillon said that that was one of the, he believes one of the motivations of having the border so porous.
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He thinks it’s to get cheap labor because it’s hard to get cheap labor. And so if you’re working a construction site and you got a bunch of illegals working for you, they they have no rights. You know, they can work for a fraction of the minimum wage, and it’s way more money than they were getting when they were in Meh.
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And then you’re putting them up in a house. They all live together. They’re speak pickled peach. They’re fucking happy as shit. They they they’re they can’t believe they’re in America and they’re actually making money and there’s a a road to at least some level of prosperity that exists here.
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So they’ll work for less money. So you’re empowering scumbags to pay people below, you know, standard wages. And then you’re crippling all the people that are the workers, who don’t have any say, who are healed legally, who are, you know, had they demand they know what they’re supposed to get.
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They demand fair wages and health insurance and all the things that you should get employees.
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Yeah. And it’s also as well look. Meh mom’s ai mom’s Venezuelan, so and I I’ve got family in this country. I know a lot of Venezuelan people in this country. And then I see what illegal Venezuelan’s are doing, like, El Tregde Aragua, that gang.
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I like how you rolled
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your bars
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on them.
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Well, it’s true.
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I always make fun of them
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for that.
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You know, I’m just sketching, trying to
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get on I’m lucky enough.
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Yeah. You did a good job. Ai need to do it, otherwise no one believes me, Joe. But, you know, I can tell you this for a fact. Every single Venezuelan who came here legally works hard, went through the hoops to escape Venezuela, to create a better life for themselves and their family are utterly mortified and horrified at the actions of those criminals and what is happening in this country.
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For sure. Because not only is it terrible for the victims, but it also reflects badly on us. Like, you now go on Venezuelan and people think, oh, what? Like, that criminal gang?
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Well, it’s also weird that it’s taking place in what they call a sanctuary city where the cops are kind of they’re handcuffed as to what they can do with these people. And one of the weirdest ones was someone was having a conversation with this woman where they were talking about these gangs. I forget who it was.
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Ai have been JD Vance? I forget who it was. But the woman was saying that it’s only a couple of apartment complexes that have been taken over. Who was that with?
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I think it was Jetty Vance, but Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And he was ai, do you hear yourself?
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Right.
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In the United States of America, armed gangs from Venezuela have taken over a couple of apartment buildings in your city, and you think it’s not a big deal? You’re you’re trying to minimize that? How crazy that is? That illegal aliens who came across who are armed to the tits or part of a dangerous, enormous ai gang have taken over apartment buildings and are extorting all the people that live there, and you don’t think that’s a problem?
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That’s wild.
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And and if you say that, they go, that’s a right wing talking. But That’s wild. What are we fucking talking about?
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What are we talking about? What if your mom lives in that building? Like, what are you talking about? That’s crazy. You’re you’re you’re saying crazy things. Doesn’t make any sense.
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It doesn’t. And you know, I we were in LA last year, and because I have a Russian name, you know, all the Lyft and Uber drivers in LA, they’re all Armenian. Right? So they they all speak Russian. They recognize my name, so they talk to me in Russian. The the guys who came in the nineties, they all came legally.
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They got their meh, everything. One guy was telling meh, he smuggled his 83 year old father, who’s disabled, in a wheelchair through the southern border. Ai, all the guys that are coming now are coming through the southern border. They’re not getting documentation. Why ai why would you bother?
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Right.
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Why would you bother? And and that, you can’t Americans are the most pro immigration people that I’ve ever seen. But I also think when you have high levels of illegal immigration, that undermines people’s confidence
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Right.
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In the entire system. And the worst thing is it doesn’t make any logical sense. Can anyone explain to you why it is beneficial to America to have an open border? What is the benefit to Meh?
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I think 84% of Americans don’t agree with it.
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Well, no cheating.
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I think
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it’s a a large number of Americans don’t agree with it, and yet it’s happening. And the the real fear is that it’s being used to buy votes.
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Right.
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That’s the real fear. Do you
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believe that ai?
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I it’s a great strategy. If I wanted to buy votes I mean, if I was a sociopath. Right? Which is what a corporation really is. Right? As a psychopath, how do they isn’t that there’s a great book about that. Right? Yeah. Defining a corporation as a ai. Mhmm.
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As as we talked about before, this need to constantly grow and this this, obligation to your shareholders do whatever it takes to make the most amount of money. If you were a corporation, you wanted to control the whole country. What would you do? Well, I would incentivize people to vote one way, and I would move them in and make their life way better than it ever was before and then let them in and the other side is saying we’re gonna deport you.
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Well, then the other side is definitely not who you’re gonna vote for, So now all I have to do is let you vote. So I could either let you vote by telling you how you don’t need ID. Just go ahead and vote. I can do it by offering amnesty to a certain amount of people. And then there’s this thing that they keep saying that these people are here legally.
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But the way they’re here legally is a new thing, and this new thing that they started doing during COVID is they use the shipping app to schedule amnesty meetings now. So they allow you to get into the country with this app that was really only for shipping. Pull that app up again, Jamie.
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So this app was originally used so, like, say if you came here from, you know, England or whatever and you wanted to sell some stuff, you you could be here for a while while you’re you’re shipping and bringing your stuff over. This is like a way that you could register sai they know where you are arya then you could leave.
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So now they changed it during COVID and made it so this app now allows you to schedule an entrance into the country. So you don’t have to have there’s no vetting. There’s no checking on you. There’s no who you arya. But through this app, you could schedule ai.
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They they’ll compensate you. They put you up. They bring you to places. So this is this US Customs Bryden Protection app. So it’s the CBP 1 mobile passport control MPC and Ai. So it was launched in October 2020.
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CBP 1 is a free app that provides access to a variety of CBP services. It uses guided questions to help users find the right services, forms, or applications. CBP 1 was originally used to help commercial trucking companies schedule card cargo inspections. In 2023, the app was expanded to allow unauthorized migrants to request asylum and book appointments at the US Mexico border.
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But that’s good. You want people to book an asylum appointment and sai that you could make sure whether they’re legitimate claimants or not. That’s a good thing. Right? The problem is when people are allowed in, and they don’t have a good case. Right? Because America would let some people in who claim asylum.
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I think the American people are very generous in ai.
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I wonder how many people they deny that try to use that app.
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That’s a different question.
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The real question is why are so many of them showing up in swing states? That’s the real question.
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Because it’s ai
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that seems a little suspect. If you’re moving people to swing states and then you have people like Nancy Pelosi and Ai I I forget who else it was. They were making the argument that we need immigrants because Americans are not having enough babies. You know, this is Elon’s argument.
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He’s made this population collapse argument, which doesn’t seem right to people because they’re stuck in traffic, but it is right. If you really pay attention to the amount of people that are actually having children and what it’s gonna be like in the future, South Korea apparently is a gigantic disaster.
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Japan as well.
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Japan as well. We had
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this ai, Steven Shaw, on the show to talk about. He did a great documentary about it. He went all around the world looking at population, decline, and it is a real fucking problem.
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It’s a real problem. It’s a real problem. And so their their argument and this is a I think it’s a bullshit argument. It’s ai we’re letting these people in because Americans aren’t having any babies. Like, oh, you just figure that out?
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Yeah. But this is see this is move
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them to swing states?
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This is this
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is such bullshit though because America has a legal immigration system. You could have billions of people coming to the United States legally. If you needed babies, there’s a queue of a 1000000000 people who would come to America legally if you let them. Right. That is not an argument for legal immigration.
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How much can you learn about someone in a short period of time when they’re coming to the border? Because, like, there’s those numbers of, like I think it’s over the last 10 years how many murders have come through, how many rapists have come through. It’s, like, it’s staggering numbers. Right? And then there’s the unreported ones. A lot of these gang members, they snuck in. The coast is wide open. The coast is weird.
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You know, you could you could be in a boat and beach yourself in San Diego and no one knows what the fuck to do, and then you jump out and you’re in a van. There’s a lot of that stuff goes on.
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Mhmm.
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So it’s ai how many people are actually getting in that aren’t reported? That’s the real question, and they know that they’ve caught people that are on the terrorist watch list.
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Mhmm.
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They’ve know they’ve caught people at the border that absolutely are up to no good. So it’s ai, how many people didn’t they catch? How many people snuck through? How how how much in danger are we because of that? How much of an October 7th type attack could happen in the United States because of that?
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To say no percentage is crazy. So to say that it’s possible means that you’ve been derelict in your duty. You haven’t saved us from the potential of us being invaded.
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And and it’s it’s also as well then what you are naturally going to get if that is a concern, a major concern for the average working person, you are sana get a politician who is gonna address those those concerns and is gonna make it front and center for their campaign. Of course, of course, they arya. Right. Because that is politics and that’s how it works and that’s a good thing.
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You need those people to address the concerns of ordinary people
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Right.
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But then they come in and then they start going this is a Nazi rally this is so Uh-huh. And you’re just going oh not only do you not want to have the conversation not only do you want to justify your ideas you want to bully, speak, and harass those people with perfectly legitimate concerns Yes.
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In order to shut them up. So what you’re going to get is what happens when someone has a very real concern about something and you smear them and you you call them horrendous names. Those concerns aren’t sana go anywhere. They’re gonna get really angry. They’re gonna fester, and eventually, it will turn into something nasty. Yes.
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And so ai doing this and continually ratcheting up the police, ai a pressure cooker, continually ratcheting up the pressure, Eventually, it’s going to boil over. And I look at them and I think to myself, do you know the forces that you arya messing with? Do you understand what you’re doing?
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Because eventually, this is going to turn nasty, and I really don’t want it to. I I hope it doesn’t. But you can only do this place so many times before people go, you know what? You’re gonna do that? Fuck you. And this is what I’m gonna do.
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Yeah. And they they run the risk of that in Aurora, Colorado. They really do. They run the risk of that with these gangs taking over apartment buildings and ai not stopping it. All of it’s very scary because that’s what everyone’s worried about. What everyone’s worried is that our level of crime is gonna rise up because you’re bringing people from crime ridden areas that have criminal backgrounds, and you’re letting them in without vetting them.
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And then you’re gonna increase the ai, and you’re gonna increase organized crime and cartel crime. Vatsal scares the fuck out of people, and it should. And you can’t let that in just because you wanna win. You can’t let that in as a side effect of this goal that you have to bring in these people that are probably wonderful people that just want a better life, and they they take this crazy journey where they walk on foot across the country.
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Hey. I would do it too. I would 100% do it too, and I think you would as well. If you were living in those countries and the Red Cross gave you a map and said this is what you gotta do. You gotta make it up here and go to these people to give you a cell phone. Like, okay. You would do it. Why wouldn’t you do it?
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If you they know you’re gonna get let in and then you get money and food stamps and they’ll put you up at a house. What? Of course, you’d do it. And then you have, like, these places like New York City where these enormous luxury hotels are completely occupied with immigrants.
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What was that movie that that luxury hotel was in? There’s, like, a famous movie. Is it the Jennifer Lopez movie made in Manhattan? Is that the movie where they have those people hold up? Find out if that’s it.
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But it’s ai a famous luxury hotel, and they just and then all the poor people in America are like, hey, motherfucker. What about us? What about us? What about the veterans? What about homeless people? What about all these people that are down on their luck? What about all these people that are single moms?
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All these people that have no money? What about them?
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Well, this is the question I’d be asking if you you meh mentioned 84% of Americans are concerned about this. If I was a Democrat, that’s
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what I’d
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be on Roosevelt Hotel.
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Wow.
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That is crazy. The Roosevelt Hotel is a famous hotel, and you look how beautiful it is on the inside.
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Mhmm. It was just over a year ago when the Roosevelt held hotels
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And became the one stop shop.
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So this entire hotel so if you’re a hotel guy, right, and, Homelands, whoever it is that runs this program comes along and says, hey. We’ll fully occupy your hotel 247. We’ll give you x amount of money. You know? Maybe it’s more money than you would get if you were at full occupation.
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Like, you’re like, okay. Sounds like a great deal. And so now you have housing for all these people, and then the people that are living here are very upset, and they they should be. You see it all the time. Like, people in Chicago are fucking fed up, man.
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They’re like, we’ve been trying to solve the the crime and the poverty problem here forever. City would not say how much it costs to keep the facility running every day, but immigrant affairs commissioner Manuel Castro emphasized how the cost should be coming from the federal government.
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We hope that the federal government does more in support of asylum seekers. Okay.
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Well, it’s like what you sai. The federal government is giving money to hotel owners. Yeah. And so everybody’s happy. Yeah. Everybody’s happy except the people of America.
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Well, except the people that have to deal with the problems that come along with allowing people in that aren’t vetted. You know, especially people that come from ram place where it’s violent, you know, and and crime is rampant and normal.
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Well, this is this is what I was gonna sai. It’s like, if I were one of those Democrats who secretly harbored these concerns, the question I’d be asking is, why isn’t my party dealing with this?
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Mhmm.
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Right? Why why if if all of America basically agrees this is a problem, why is it a party political issue? Why isn’t it a thing that both parties agree on, by the way, as they used to? Right. All the major Democrat figures 20 years ago, I had I had the whole chapter in my book about it.
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They all used to say exactly what Donald Trump is saying now.
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Yeah. Yeah. They do. And especially Barack Obama. You know, he talked very
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Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer.
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They all talked about the importance of a secure and safe border.
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Right.
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And that it’s always been an issue because you wanna protect American citizens. It’s not racist. Right. Ai, I’m all for immigration. I just think maybe we need to spend more money on letting people in legally. Right. But how do you vet those folks? That’s the real question.
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Like, how much paperwork do they have? How much of a
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It’s pretty thorough, man. Like, Francis and I have had to apply for visas
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to go. Guys did it legally the right way.
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That’s what I’m saying. But they they look everywhere, man. Like, every camotage is fucking examined. You know what I mean? Through.
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But even people coming through I mean, if they’re coming through the wrong way and you wanna vet them, how can you even?
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You can.
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You can. Can you? Really?
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Of course. I don’t think it’s beyond the the the the meh But
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if you’re ram, a third world country
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Yeah.
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With very little paperwork, like, what how do
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they do that? Interviews, I would guess. They try and find out where you live, like, you know Oh
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meh god. How much resources would that require?
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Yeah. But compare that to how much resources it requires to host people in a ai Fox and Star fucking hotel.
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Yeah. Very good point. Right? You could be talking to those people the entire time. So where are you from, Bob? What’d you do over
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what’d you do
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with those scars, Bob?
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America would save a lot of money if it put a lot more money into finding out who’s coming here, making sure people have a legitimate claim, they’ve applied legally, and then you’re spending the money where it’s supposed to be speak, and then you’ve got a safe fucking country.
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Yeah. And then
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And this is a really important point when people go because they did, you know, they do the, you know, the the the argument about, look, we have to let these people in. You’re letting people smugglers flourish.
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Yeah.
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You’re letting sex traffickers flourish. How many of those poor women and kids are getting brought over and basically being turned into a sex slave? There’s no they’ve got no identity. They’ve got no rights. How many of them have are now in this country? No one knows.
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It’s not 0. Not It’s not 0. It’s it’s a real concern, and that’s not something that’s being brought up instead of bringing up Tony Hinchcliffe’s joke.
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Right.
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Right? The the because this is an inconvenient political issue that is very dangerous. The Republicans harp on it. The Democrats ignore it and minimize it. It’s a it’s a giant issue. The human smuggling thing is a giant issue. They there’s something like 300,000 kids that are missing. They came across the border.
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They have no idea where they are. Ai so many people. I mean, what is the number over the last 4 years that have come across illegally? I mean, what do you what’s even the estimate? What’s the estimated number of, crossings? It’s the highest ever that’s ever been in modern history.
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I think under Biden has been around 10,000,000 total from what I’ve read. But, Jamie, I’m sure, will take us
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on that. That is, 5 Austins.
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Yeah. I mean Yeah. What and what effect is that having on society? Because also, there’s a law of unintended consequences. What’s gonna be the effect not only now, but 5 years down the line, 10 years down the line, 20 years down
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the line?
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Do they have jobs for these people? Yeah. Here’s a here’s a thing.
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Well, they do for, like, $2 an hour. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Right. But here’s the thing. Like, if there was more American manufacturing, and this is one of the things that Trump really wants to pursue is incentivizing American manufacturing and putting tariffs on things that are brought in from overseas. If there’s more manu American manufacturing first of all, one of the things that was exposed during COVID, it was a big one, was how much we rely on stuff that comes from other countries, you know, especially medications.
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A lot of it was coming from China.
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Uh-huh.
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And there’s a lot of equipment. A lot of things got stuck. So here it is. What’s the number? Did you say the number, Jamie?
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1,000,000 since 2019, I think.
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11,000,000. Yeah. She’s not This
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other was also,
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like, not blaming, but saying a lot has to do with in, 2023, the end of ai 42 where they couldn’t expel people for COVID related reasons anymore. Ram then that
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Ai many people they tested for COVID, they’re coming across the Rio Grande River with a backpack? Right. Shut the fuck up.
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The one thing I wish the right did better on this though is to talk in more humane terms about it. It’s always Yes. There is a kind of, like, these fucking illegals Right.
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Right. Right.
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We would all do what they’re doing. We would.
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What yeah. And the way they talk about it, they’re you know, ai, Trump Trump did that too. They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats. Also, a lot of them are very hard workers. If you talk to Springfield, Ohio, one of the things that these people that employ some of these people are saying is they’re so thankful that they have this opportunity there.
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Haitians are just like everybody else, man. They’re just just like everybody else, man. They’re ai fucking people that wanna
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do better.
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And a lot of these people that hire these folks are saying they’re super hard workers. They’re doing jobs that nobody wants. They’re very thankful for it. It’s an opportunity for them. And then also you have bad people. Right. Yeah. Ai like all groups of people that come from war torn, fucked up places, and they come over here, you’re gonna have good ones and bad ones.
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I’m just saying Sai just wish that Ai, which is perfect like what you’re saying, Francis. This is the point you made very well. It’s ai, you just wish that I was directed at the people who are allowing this to happen instead of the people who who are coming because that’s not gonna make things better.
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What we need is we need to vet people, but also we need protections to make sure that people aren’t being forced to work for inhumane wages. And if we start doing that in America, well, how we’re no different than Foxconn in China with the fucking suicide nets around the building.
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We’re allowing people to take advantage of people that have no hope. And that’s that’s not the we one of the great things about American manufacturing, if you have a plant in America and you have regulations in terms of, like, what they’re supposed to be paid in health care and the amount of hours they work, you can ensure that you don’t have to feel bad about buying a thing from those people.
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Ai, if you ai, whatever, you know, something that you know is made in America for sure. Like, if you buy a a Ford truck that’s made in Ohio or wherever they make them, Hopefully, it’s made in Meh, so then way you don’t have to feel bad that, ai, that’s what’s going on with all these people coming across here, ironically.
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They moved so many jobs and so many things over to Mexico to get people to work for almost nothing so that these fucking corporations can make a little bit more money.
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Mhmm.
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And we allowed that to happen. And when we allowed that to happen, they killed American manufacturing. They killed it. That’s that Roger and meh movie. The have you ever seen Michael Morris Yes. Documentary on it about Flint, Michigan? It’s a great documentary, but they just pulled out of of Michigan where they were making all the cars, and then these people have nothing.
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Right.
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They were check to check while they were working there and then instant extreme poverty. It’s a horrifying documentary.
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And and what these people don’t realize is the effects that has on the community, not only the poverty element of it, but work brings dignity, Joe. Yes. It brings purpose. Yes. It doesn’t matter like you know the level of job that you have but if you’re going out particularly for men and you’re doing a job maybe you hate it but you know what you’re earning enough money you can feed your kids you can feed your family you go I’m doing my job as a man Ai am doing what I am meant to do when you take those jobs which a lot of like for instance in our country in the UK a lot of these these places were built around the factory the plant they were the literal hub of the community and then you had bars and cafes and restaurants around that when you take that out of a community you were ripping the literal soul out of it and all of a sudden these people who once had purpose and dignity have got nothing and it doesn’t matter even if you give them money and you go look here’s your benefits nobody wants that.
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Nobody wants a life that’s aimless. Nobody wants a life where you are dependent on handouts.
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This is what scares me about the future really because of AI. What what scares me about the future and Andrew Yang was really the first guy to bring this up. He was talking about automation, and I think that automation and AI, they built a whole road in China in, like, a very short period of time just using roads or using robots rather and AI.
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Have you did you see that?
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I didn’t know.
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They’re much more advanced than we are with, drone technology. Like, have you seen some of the light show drone shows that they do in China? They’re unbelievable. Unbelievable. Like, dragons moving across the sky. It’s incredible. All these drones moving in synchronicity. They’re all coordinated by AI and computers, and they’re flying together, like, showing making objects in the sky. It’s beautiful.
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So their AI technology and their drone technology and their automation has already allowed them
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This was a resurfacing project, it says.
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Here it is. So this is no humans, man. This is all robots, and they did this shit in record time. They they did the whole road. Like, if you’re a guy who this is your livelihood, you should be fucking terrified. And that was the the source of this, recent this this recent thing that was going on with the longshoremen’s union.
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Mhmm. Mhmm.
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Right? Because the longshoremen were gonna go on strike, and they’re like, hey. We’re sana get fucking replaced. We know what’s going on here. We want some protections in place because they see what’s happening. In other countries, I think it’s is it Singapore that has a completely automated system for removing cargo?
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And you watch it, and it works 24 hours a day. You don’t have to pay it. It doesn’t have kids.
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No injuries.
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No injuries, and it’s and it’s really good. They’re fucking super effective, and they’re gonna get more effective. So you have less mistakes. You don’t you you completely eliminate human error, you know. And then once they iron the systems out and they get them even better and better and more robust, you’re you’re gonna have no need for so many people that are working.
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So what do you do? You give them universal basic income. You tell them ai something that gives you purpose, like, oh, Christ. Yeah. Vatsal the same time, they have AI goggles and fucking fucking they’re watching virtual reality all day, and they’re not even living in the world anymore.
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You’re just getting a check from the government and free food.
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And an AI girlfriend.
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But an AI girlfriend that makes
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you throw yourself off.
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Loss points.
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I mean, it could get really fucking strange in this country in a short amount of ai. And But you
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talk to these people. Right? You talk to Elon. What does he say about stuff like that?
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They all think it’s inevitable. I think they’re alright. I don’t think you could stop it unless something disastrous happens, like a nuclear war or some sort of a horrific natural disaster that kills the grid. We are probably just a a decade away from an unrecognizable world. 2014 is not that different than 2024. It’s kinda real similar. Cars look the same.
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You still have an iPhone. It’s, like, not that you still have a laptop. Like, how much is different? Your Internet’s a little faster. How much is different?
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Not that much. 2024 to 2034 is gonna be fucking bananas. We could be see a complete upheaval of society. If you have one party that’s completely in control of the political process and there’s, you know, ai, there’s no room for a third party now because they ai boxed out the 3rd party.
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There’s libertarians, but, like, good luck. Good luck. I voted for a couple of them. Good luck. They can’t win.
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Yeah.
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Right? It maybe it could get to that point where Republicans can’t win.
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Yeah.
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That could be real. And then the Democrats are gonna act just like all tyrants. All groups of people that have massive control over everything. They don’t sana relinquish some control for the for the sake of democracy. Shut the fuck up. The only people that have ever did that were the Greeks, and they were on drugs. They were just doing to an acid, and they said, meh.
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Everybody should have a vote.
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You know, and if you have a populace that is basically, just dependent on handouts, what you’ve got is a docile defeated population.
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Yes. And who They’re dependent on you for survival.
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They’re dependent on you for ai. So it’s not even in their interest to challenge you.
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That’s completely outside their interest. There’s they have no leverage. They have no fuck you money.
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So so, you know, what are they gonna do? The thing that the thing that worries me is, I was I was reading about the driving jobs and how many driving jobs there are in this country. And driving is still a very, very well paid job in this country. If you’re a lorry driver, you you you earn a really good salary in this country, and that’s great. That is brilliant.
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But the moment automated driving comes in, like, that’s a whole swathe of mainly men who have got nowhere to go.
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It’s a very good point. It’s millions of jobs.
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So they think it’s inevitable.
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Yeah. They think it’s inevitable. Yeah.
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I agree with them.
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I don’t know how we adjust to that. You know, human beings have had to make some major adjustments over the course of human history. Right? Moving into cities, dealing with mechanized things like cars and trucks and trains. This is massive adjustments that we had to make, but I don’t think any of them are like this one.
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Yeah. This is the industrial revolution on steroids.
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Yeah. It’s like and it’s also coming at the same time as transhumanism. It’s coming at the same time as, this potential integration with artificial intelligence that we’re experiencing, augmented goggles, which is like the tip of the spear, and then you’re gonna eventually get chips.
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You know, once once things like Neuralink and there’s a few other competing programs, once they develop something that enhances human productivity, enhances your mental capacity, your ability to perform, maybe physical capacity, you know, they’re they’re gonna be able to do things in our lifetime that are gonna make being a regular human seem stupid.
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Just ai being naked in the cold seems stupid, like, why would you be naked? You could just be warm, you fucking idiot. Like like, why? Yeah. They’re freezing when you can have a nice down jacket on, you fucking moron. And that’s what it’s gonna be like cognitively.
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Like, why would you wanna be depressed when you can have clarity and ai, and you you could have instantaneous access to the wireless grid as long as you don’t have bad thinking, as long as you don’t do anything that we don’t like, as long as we don’t have to shut you off.
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Well, there is a book about this, you know. Right? Yeah.
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01:37:56
Well, it seems
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Have some some and chill the fuck out. Yeah.
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You know, that book, when you read it, especially because I read it in high school, I think, which was already 1984. So it’s ai, oh, this is bullshit. Yeah. It’s like Speak 1999. Ai really work out that way. You know, there was a TV show about people living in space in ai. Sai think because that’s what they thought. Sai in the eighties, when when when did Orwell write that book?
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It would have It
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would have been no. I think it came no. He because he was in a sanatorium ram the night. He was ai of consumption TB at that time. I think it was 46 it came out.
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He wrote it while he was dying?
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Yeah. He wrote it while that’s why it was kinda dark, man. 1949. Oh, ai.
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So he writes it right after the fascism of Nazi Germany and all that stuff.
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And Stalin.
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Yeah. And Stalin. Yeah. And so he writes this book, and it just seems ludicrous at the ai, but now it’s like a prophecy. Yeah. And It’s actually the wrong think stuff. Like, that is wild. You
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know, just going just touching on the AI thing, what’s interesting about AI is it’s also obliterating middle class jobs. Yes. Middle class jobs ai graphic designer pretty soon, that’s gonna be
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that’s gonna be just middle class, but all the coders.
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Yeah. All the coders all the coders are gonna be gone. You’re you’re gonna look at the law, accountancy. Why are you gonna employ an accountant Right. When you’ve got an AI to do all your books? Yeah. You just feed it into the algorithm. It will sort it all through. Boom.
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My fear is that it’s gonna get to a point where why don’t we use AI for government and have really objective government that’s that doesn’t have greed or lust or desire or the need for power, ego, or to be to be validated. You know, it doesn’t need any of those things. It doesn’t ever tweet out Ai hate Taylor Swift.
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01:39:39
It just it just fucking runs everything with, the objective is to make the world better. And the objective the objective is, equal allocation of resources, particularly, like, natural resources that are really all of ours. Why should we have these corporations that control all the oil and the oils in the ground? The ground belongs to the humans.
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Why should anybody have an unbelievable amount of influence on everybody else just because they pull oil out of the ground? That seems crazy.
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Until it goes rogue and goes, you know what? Humans do a lot of damage to the planet.
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Yeah. That’s the problem with being objective. The reality, you guys gotta get your shit together. We’re gonna kill you all. Like, it’ll have a meeting with us and say, hey, we need to get the robbery murder rape rate down to 0.
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Let’s put all the men in prison.
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If we don’t,
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we’re just gonna kill everybody.
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Oh, man. You
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know, it’s that’s why you you feel that I know and people always hype up elections. They always hype up elections. Americans, you do show business in elections better than anyone. I went to that Trump rally. It’s what, like it’s one of the greatest shows I’ve ever seen.
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You must not watch MSNBC because it’s a Nazi rally.
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They show There were so many Israeli flags there. It was unbelievable.
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Yeah. There was a lot of Israeli flags.
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Israeli flags, loads of Jews, loads of people recognized. Super hard to
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call it a Nazi flag with a lot of Israeli flags.
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I mean, it’s just so silly. Meeting. This bullshit.
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But that’s what they’re doing. They’re just trying to win.
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They’re trying to win. But you you can’t you can’t the words have fucking meaning, Joe.
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They do.
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Yeah. They’re supposed to. And for a reason. And that word, it’s supposed to have a very specific meaning. And it’s sai like, it was a kind of a thing where, like, if someone said that about somebody, you’d go, like, holy shit. I better really make sure this guy isn’t that. I better really make sure this isn’t that.
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They That used to be, like, oh, my god. The guy is a Nazi? Like, you wanna follow him. See where he’s going to some secret meeting. Right. Oh, my God. He’s really a Nazi.
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It’s so irresponsible. It really grinds my gears that shit, man. It it’s just I know you wanna win, but this isn’t winning. This is making the whole thing fucking worse.
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01:41:46
Yeah. It’s not good. It’s not good, and it also is not good for them. Because all those mainstream media companies, all the MSNBCs of the world that are doing this kind of shit, you’re gonna lose more and more credibility. Like, you’re already hemorrhaging credibility. This is the reason why Ai Washington Post, why Jeff Bezos had to make that wrote write that article.
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01:42:06
Sai we need more representation of conservative voices. We we we can’t be just endorsing presidents because you all agree to one thing and you wanna, like, educate the world. You we’re we’re we’re not activists. We’re supposed to be journalists. This is the reason why this business is hemorrhaging money and lost amazing amounts of credibility, like stunning.
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We’ve never seen a time where more people have lost faith in mainstream news.
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01:42:31
But here’s the thing and you you talk about this in the it’s one of the things you talk about and you talk about it brilliantly. Words have changed their meaning. Words no longer mean what they what they used to. I saw this post from Marc Maron and he it’s like he was going for the world record about trying to mention the word fascist every other sentence and I’m going and I’m sure look I’m sure Mark’s a decent guy and and whatever else but I’m sure if you sat down with Mark you go Mark what explain to me what fascism is what do you mean by ai?
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01:42:59
It’s virtue It’s signaling to the crop to the tribe. It’s what it is. It’s the and it’s also there’s a lot of jealousy. Mark used to be at the top of the heap. He used to have the number one podcast. Now it’s, like, it’s not even the top 200. He was a great guy when he was number 1. He was a lot of butt. He used to apologize to everybody for being a dick when he was younger.
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01:43:17
Oh, man. But but but look You know what
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I nuance is very important. It’s very important with human beings. And as soon as you, like, conveniently categorize something as fascist and white supremacy, I think is another word he likes to use, You’re being silly, and you’re ruining your own credibility. Yeah. You’re gonna get a bunch of people that agree with you. Yeah. Right on, man. But they’re silly too.
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01:43:37
The the we’re just a bunch of human beings trying to coexist. What we want out of this election is a greater country. The country is supposed to be a team. That’s what it’s supposed to be. It’s the most amazing thing.
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This idea that we’re all in this together, we collectively, we’re a tribe of people. But we because of our fucking stupid instincts to be on teams, we’ve divided ourselves right down the middle essentially. I mean, this depending on who whose poll or what you wanna read, it’s kinda ai pretty close down the middle.
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And one side thinks the other side is the end of everything, and the other side thinks the same. Yep. It’s it’s so stupid. It’s so stupid, and it’s just we don’t have much time. Human beings live a 100 if you’re lucky. Ai 57, so I’m 3 quarters of the way dead.
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If I’m lucky, if everything goes great, why spend any time on nonsense? Why spend any time just pledging allegiance to your tribe? Why not just try to have a perspective that will enhance this situation and and let people understand that we’re really over our sai. We’re out of our fucking minds.
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01:44:43
We’re we’re really, like, foaming at the mouth here. There’s there’s important things, and the the important thing is we gotta figure out a way that we don’t have a nuclear war. We gotta figure out a way where ram it easier to make a living. We have to figure out a way to make it safer for people.
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We have to figure out a way to secure the borders and make sure that we’re not letting in terrorists. We gotta figure out a way to not have terrorist cells activated because, it’s gonna be convenient politically. Look, we we gotta figure out a way to not have FBI agents inciting people to enter the capitol building.
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We gotta figure out a way to, like there’s a lot of shit we have to figure out collectively as a group.
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And there’s also the tragic element of it, and people don’t talk about this tragic element enough. If you think about it, we live in an evermore atomized society. We we hang out less. We’d see we we we our our social groups are getting smaller and smaller. That’s just a fact of, of how society’s going.
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Think about the people who’ve lost friends, whose relationships broke up marriages broke up over politics
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Yeah.
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There’s a guy right now in the UK waking up in a little flat somewhere and he’s looking around and he went, oh, fuck. I lost my relate my marriage. I don’t see my kids anymore because of Brexit.
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01:46:00
It’s crazy. That’s dumb. It’s not just Brexit. It’s over here. It’s like if you’re married to a Trump supporter and you’re a Harris supporter, you’re fighting over the dinner table, that person is the enemy. It happens to people all the time or people get red pilled, you know, and then they sort of, like, wanna leave their ideological group and then the other per person that you’re with, maybe business partner, maybe maybe your lover, they hate you now.
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You’re the you’re part of the enemy. But in a bunch of people that don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you, and you pledged allegiance to people that don’t even know your name. They don’t even know they don’t know a thing about you, and they’re lying on TV every ai, and you’re still all in for them.
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01:46:41
You’re making homemade signs running out the door and holding or you’re putting signs up on your lawn.
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01:46:50
But righteousness is such a drug, man. Like, when we were standing in that line in New York, there was a guy that walked past, and he was ai, enjoy your fucking Nazi rally to, like, a family with young kids. You’re not a good guy. Yeah. You’re not a good guy when you’re doing that. I don’t care what your politics is. You’re not a good guy. No.
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You’re you’re not you feel good when you’re shouting, like, but you’re not behaving in the right way.
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It just gives cunts the ability to scream at people because they think they’re ai, you know. Especially if you’ve already labeled those people Nazis.
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Yeah.
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You know, enjoy your Nazi ram, like, you could yell whatever you want at Nazis, you know. That was the whole thing back in the day. Meh punching Sai, ai, okay, but who gets to determine who the Nazis are? Like, if you’re in World War 2, yeah, you have to punch a Nazi. But if you’re in Brooklyn, I bet that guy’s not really a Nazi. He might just have a tie on.
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01:47:37
Like Or or listen to this podcast.
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Yeah. He might be listening to this podcast.
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01:47:41
But you know
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01:47:43
but Ai punched on the subway.
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01:47:46
But you know what? I would do I would love Kamala Harris to come on this podcast. That’s the podcast I wanna see the most
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01:47:51
ai this election.
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01:47:52
But I just I feel ai very strongly that if it’s gonna be done, it has to be done like a regular podcast because that’s the only way it works. Sure.
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The only way
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01:48:01
it works is just sit down and talk with somebody. Can’t go to some ballroom and some hotel where they control everything and they have cameras ready and they wanna edit stuff out. It’s ai, that’s just too weird. It’s not the same thing. Like, you go to see Colbert, you know, you go you’re on his set.
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You don’t ask him to make a set, you know, ai, at the White House. Like, you know, you you’re doing it where he does it. Totally.
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01:48:21
Yeah. But that is why I’m still we’ve had a depressing conversation. I’m still excited because that thing you’re talking about, you know, Jeff Bezos, that’s the market working. Yeah. Your ratings are tanking. No one trusts you. No one buys your fucking newspaper. Okay. Well, who’s doing shit right? Let’s have a look around. Who’s successful? Oh, it’s this.
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01:48:39
Okay. Maybe we need to do that thing you were talking about, Gore Vidal Buckley. Yeah. Maybe we need to actually have a conversation. Maybe we need to have I’d love for you to have Trump and Harrison here. Mhmm. That’d be interesting.
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Well, that’s what I said to him. I sai, what really should be the 2 of you sai down and have a conversation for as long as it takes. Right. Just no no moderator. No one there.
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01:49:00
No no not even a ai. Not you?
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I don’t
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think I don’t think I need to be in the way. It would be hilarious. I
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ai just
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walk into a big hard bus.
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01:49:08
How long would it ai? What do you okay. How are you gonna fix the economy? How are you gonna fix the economy? Yeah. Like, I wanna do this. That was my idea.
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01:49:17
No time limit.
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No time limit. Ai the
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01:49:19
UFC back in the day. Right?
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01:49:20
Yeah. I mean, that would be how you’d really like, when you see 2 people on a panel when they’re talking about things and one person really knows what they’re talking about, like, it’s Bill Maher or whatever. When when that happens, it’s always fascinating to watch someone, like, way out of their league
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Yeah.
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And they get exposed. But that same person could be doing a softball interview, and they look like a wizard. They look like a genius, because they already have their predetermined answers to questions that have already been presented to them, so they prepare. And that’s essentially what you’ve been getting a lot with Kamala Harris. You’ve been getting a lot of this prepared stuff.
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01:49:54
Mhmm.
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01:49:54
You know? Well, I was born in a middle class family and then she has this thing that she’s gonna say and, you know.
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01:50:01
Yeah. It’s and you know what to me is Ai I would love to see this but broaden it out in society. To meh, the most interesting conversations are when you talk with people who disagree with you who see the world in a different way. Yes. Because not that does 2 things not only do you learn something but number 2 you find out some of the things you think are bullshit. Yeah.
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01:50:23
And they’re wrong And then they go hang on, actually that ain’t true. Look at this. Look at this. And you’re like, oh, wow. Actually, you know what? You’re right.
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01:50:30
So it makes your ideas stronger and you become a more fully rounded human being.
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01:50:34
But that requires good faith. Yes. Ai requires good faith. Those conversations don’t happen if both of the people are playing to an audience.
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01:50:43
People have a really hard time with good faith. Because the problem with good faith is you also have to admit you lost. Yes. Ai? And people get so attached to an idea. They say an ai, and once they said it, that as a part of their fucking DNA, they will argue for that. They don’t wanna be wrong. They don’t wanna be wrong. Even smart people.
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01:51:01
Yeah.
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01:51:01
Yeah. Especially smart people.
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01:51:03
I had an argument with a friend of mine once about, divorce and that women get paid more in divorce. We were talking about, like, how the divorce system is ai of fucked because lawyers prey upon it in order to jack up their rates, and then they turn the couple against each other.
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01:51:19
They are like, wait. Well, he said this. Put that motherfucker. And then next thing you know, I want more, and then they get but, really, what’s happening is the lawyer’s jacking up his rates. He’s dragging things out, and then, you know, I know guys that have been devastated by divorces, and his argument was ai, yeah.
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01:51:33
But isn’t it fair that the woman gets all the money because women only make 75¢ a dollar for what men make? I go, do you know that’s not true? Like, do you understand what that is? And he didn’t wanna believe it. He was, like, ai.
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01:51:44
That’s not what I go, it’s they have different jobs and they work different hours. That’s where the 75¢ comes from. It’s not like a guy and a woman work together at the same job. They both do the same job and the guy makes a dollar and she makes 75¢. That’s not how it works. He was, like, no fucking way. I goes, yeah. And then we looked it up. He’s like, woah.
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01:52:02
Because in his mind, it was always the the labor market is unfair. Mhmm. Because women are getting fucked over because men take advantage of them. The way we’re talking about them taking advantage of illegal immigrants and making them work for less. Now, if you were working in a corporation, a woman does just as good a job as a meh, and yet she’s willing to work for 75¢, you would have only women working for you.
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01:52:24
Like, they just wanna make money. They don’t give a fuck about, like, all that the the DEI shah, that’s just how they can make more money. Ai, what do I gotta do to get a part of this? What do I have to do to get grants?
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01:52:34
What do I
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01:52:34
have to do to get to get more loans? Like, what do I have to do? Like, that’s all that shit is.
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01:52:40
Yeah. And it’s again, the problem is is it makes everything so divisive. Yep. Because look, the vast majority of people, the vast majority only care about fairness. They want it to be fair or as fair as possible. Right? And when something is so egregious and so unfair, that’s where anger takes hold that’s where resentment takes hold and that’s when people get nasty because they feel that they’ve been cheated and in some cases they have and they go you know what I’m not sana take part in your game your game’s rigged sai you know what fuck you fuck your game and this is what I’m gonna do And once that happens, you don’t have conversations, you don’t have good faith
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01:53:18
Yeah.
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01:53:19
And you don’t have any type of solution to the problem.
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01:53:21
Yeah. And the thing that’s gonna help that is psychedelics. That’s what I’m
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01:53:26
taking off.
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01:53:27
Taking off the schedule 1. You fucking dumbasses. Bunch of people that never experienced it. It’s, there’s a lot of hope in the future, and I think one of the big hopes is that these kind of conversations that we have are popular. Mhmm.
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01:53:41
Meh.
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01:53:41
Where that wasn’t even a thing 20 years ago. It was impossible to get. If you were having a conversation about issues, there be this it would be on television and would be approved experts. It’d be someone who’s an expert from a university or someone who’s an expert from a corporation, and they would be talking to you about things or someone from the government.
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01:54:00
They would be they they would they have full control of the narrative. Mhmm. They don’t have that anymore. No. That’s what’s weird.
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01:54:06
And we have it for a small amount of time before AI takes over. There’s, like, this brief window where people have access to, like, real discussions, and then AI is gonna take over.
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01:54:19
Well, this is happening, though. Like, in the UK, there’s a the the conservative party is having an election now. Like, whoever wins that, we’ll have them on our show and have a conversation and find out, you know, what they’re all about. And by the time of the next election here and in the UK, I think this is gonna be the primary vehicle if you wanna get your message out there, this kind of conversation.
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01:54:36
Well, I think they’re probably all gonna do their own too, which would behoove them. You know, like, if someone ai let’s say someone like Rand Paul. Mhmm. If Rand Paul decided to make a podcast, I bet that’d be pretty fucking popular. Sure. Real popular. Like, look what’s happened to Tucker Carlson after he left Fox News.
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01:54:52
Mhmm. Like, they fired him from Fox News because they didn’t like what he was talking about. I don’t know what the whole story was. I’ve heard a bunch of different versions of it, but the bottom line is he became way bigger. Like, if you thought he was a problem when you had him under control when he was working for a corporation, now he could talk about whatever he wants.
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01:55:11
He’s got some guy on who said he sucked Obama’s dick.
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01:55:13
That guy on for, like, an hour and a half.
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01:55:16
He’s talking about doing blow with Obama and ai it. Yeah. This is fucking nuts. I was ai, what are you doing? Like, this is crazy. But that’s the ai of shit you can do if you don’t have any sort of guardrails. You don’t have any executives. You don’t have any producers.
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01:55:31
But the thing that gives me hope, Joe, is most people, they’re not gonna want that. Most people, what they’re gonna want
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01:55:39
But hold up. The Obama’s sucking the guy’s dick?
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01:55:41
Yeah. Or that
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01:55:42
guy sucking Obama’s dick, a
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01:55:43
lot of
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01:55:43
people are gonna want that one.
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01:55:45
Everybody likes everybody likes dick sucking dick.
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01:55:47
I mean, that
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01:55:48
is true. Yeah.
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01:55:51
It is. It is. That is true.
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01:55:53
Ai you put it? It is. It is. But,
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01:55:54
but I I think when people are craving a middle ground
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01:55:58
Yeah.
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01:55:58
People crave that. People desire that. One of the reasons, you know, the BBC is in free fall at the moment and they’re hemorrhaging viewers and listeners and all the rest of it is because people think that they’re biased and they have every right to. And but when people talk about the demise of the BBC, most people, they’re not happy about it.
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01:56:18
They’re sad because they know that it’s that it was a valuable place where people from left and right came together to debate ideas, to share ideas, and people would listen and make up their own minds.
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01:56:30
Yeah.
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01:56:30
People still crave that, Joe, and that’s what gives me hope. Yeah. Is that that’s what people want. You’re gonna get people who wanna listen to, you know, you know, Sai Ai was in a gang bang with Obama or whatever it was. People are gonna clip people are gonna clip that now and whatever, but, you know, you you know, you sana, like, that’s a fringe, but the average person is curious and they just want to hear a center ground.
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01:56:54
And they want a source that’s interesting and reliable and that’s what the BBC used to be.
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01:56:59
Meh.
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01:56:59
You know, the BBC is they they put on that Attenborough documentary where we went to the Congo and The the first time they ever saw chimpanzees eat monkeys. Remember that? Ai, that’s Attenborough. That’s BBC. The the BBC had one of the best documentaries on the Congo I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s incredible.
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01:57:15
It’s ai, I used to have it on VHS. It’s like multipart multipart documentary on the Congo. They used to do incredible stuff. But in America, to a lesser extent, that that was Ai News. Like, Vice News used to be incredible. Vice News used to do all these really interesting stuff.
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01:57:32
And I had Shane Smith on from Vice News who arya it. He used to be the head of it, and then he walked away from ram. It completely fell apart. Went woke, went broke.
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01:57:39
Because he left? No. Mhmm.
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01:57:41
Well, he left, and then it wasn’t just that he left. It was also, like, who are the people that were coming in?
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01:57:46
Right.
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01:57:46
Right? There are these young woke kids that are coming in from universities, and all of a bryden, they had this idea of what they should be doing in journalism. And it’s journalism slash activism, and it just became bullshit. And nobody paid attention to anymore, and it lost all its money.
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01:58:02
Well, that’s why I always say, like, people love to share on the mainstream media as I do to some extent. But my my view is we need a mainstream media. Yeah. Just not this one.
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01:58:11
Well, we I think the way to do it is the way it’s it’s probably gonna be independent mainstream media.
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01:58:17
Right.
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01:58:18
And and when it stops being independent, people will give up on it and go to a real independent one. Mhmm. And, unfortunately, they’re probably fake independent ones that are, like, state sponsored that are trying to make it look like they’re real, and they’re you’re gonna get a bunch of CIA plants and a bunch of different intelligence agencies that are gonna infiltrate podcast.
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01:58:34
You’re gonna have that kind of stuff, but that’s just ai, you know, that’s like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping case when you have 12 different FBI informants and 2 people that don’t know what the fuck is going on. And there’s these are the people that are coordinating the kidnapping. It’s mostly the FBI informants, which is just nuts. They things get infiltrated, you know.
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01:58:55
But
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01:58:55
it’s gotta suck to be that ai guy because we build this thing and it’s working and it’s great.
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01:58:59
And then Ai just that, he went broke.
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01:59:01
Wow.
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01:59:02
I mean, not broke broke, but
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01:59:03
Right.
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01:59:04
I think he lost $1,000,000,000. Wow. Yeah. Maybe more.
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01:59:08
Wow. You know? Yeah. Nuts. You know, it’s but but again, I I come back to it, which is, like, there there is so much potential now. There is so much space. And if you are one of those journalists and look. Let’s be honest as well. We’ve all got our biases. Everyone here has got a Not
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01:59:26
me, mate. I’m perfectly neutral.
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01:59:29
Well, everyone’s got what they think. But if you do and you’re open about it, people accept that. People go, you know, okay. You know Joe’s you know whatever Joe is I’m whatever you Constantine is whatever he is but they will be far more accepting of that because you are honest you’re authentic it’s like David Mamet said once it come from the heart go to the heart and if you were prepared to have that honest conversation whilst admitting that this is what you think and this is what you believe that is a far richer more fulfilling experience for the viewer or the listener than someone just giving out talking points and saying I agree because that rapidly gets very boring.
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02:00:08
There’s an audience for it but you know back and forth and the cut and thrust and hang on you said this but you’re going that’s I love watching that Ai love listening to that.
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02:00:16
Yeah. Well, real honest discourse is fascinating, especially by 2 intelligent people that have different perspectives. It’s fascinating because you sai this ai obviously very smart, and this person’s obviously very smart, and they’re talking, and you get a chance to sai, like, what what how do you come to your conclusions?
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02:00:33
Are you willing to admit that other people have points? Like, or are you just steamrolling them when they question you about something that’s contradictory about the way you think? Like, how are you thinking? And I think we all learn by watching other people think and and discuss things.
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02:00:48
Absolutely. But the difference is, this is where the medium is the message point really applies is, that takes a lot of time. Yeah. Take any issue that’s that’s in any way controversial. The idea that you can the reason issues are controversial is that people don’t agree. That’s what controversial means. Right?
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02:01:04
People don’t agree. People have different perspectives. The reason they have different perspectives, it’s an is that that is an issue which is difficult to have consensus on.
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02:01:14
Right.
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02:01:15
That means that issue is so complicated, you cannot discuss it in 5 minutes.
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02:01:19
Right.
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02:01:19
It’s gonna take hours and something really. It’s gonna take, you know, for ai, it’s gonna take years of research to come to a conclusion about certain things. The idea that you can adjudicate that through the medium of 2 people having a bust up on a show where they’re just it’s optimized for anger and outrage.
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02:01:36
That’s ridiculous. That’s not how you get to the truth. The way you get to the truth is you take your time and you have a conversation. Yeah. And that’s why I think we keep using that word hope, but that’s why I do have hope, as you say, before AI takes over.
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02:01:48
That that format allows I’m not saying that’s the only way these conversations goes. There are arya lot of dumb shit. There’s a lot of dumb shit being said on podcast all the time as well. But there is the space for that ai of conversation as well, and that that is good.
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02:02:03
Yeah. Podcasts are a lot like Twitter conversations. Mhmm.
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02:02:06
It’s a lot of dumb shit.
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02:02:08
A lot of dumb shit, but a lot of good shit too.
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02:02:10
Right. Yeah.
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02:02:10
Yeah. And that’s very similar and that they’re both kinda unregulated.
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02:02:14
Yeah. And it but it’s important that you hear dumb shit. It’s important it’s it’s really important that you hear it. And, also, it’s ai I believe, you know, I hate political correctness because it it stops conversations from happening or what it does is it means ai like take immigration if like you say or if you if you say this point of view that’s racist you’re only sana talk about 70% of the problem You’re not gonna talk about this 30% here.
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02:02:41
Right. If you don’t talk about this 30% here because it’s politically incorrect, you arya never gonna solve the problem because the only way to solve the problem is to talk about every facet of the problem. Right. And if you eat, you know, and if you’re not gonna approach that 30%, we ain’t ever gonna come to a solution.
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02:02:56
And that’s when you get riots like we had in
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02:02:58
the UK.
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02:02:59
Yeah. That’s how that
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happens.
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02:03:00
Yeah. When you try and suppress the discussion, that’s what happens. And you
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02:03:03
guys don’t have guns.
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02:03:04
And we don’t. Thank ai. Fuck we don’t have guns because it’s getting pretty heated, man.
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02:03:07
Yeah. I’ve seen some stuff. Seems wild over there, man.
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02:03:11
It is.
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02:03:12
You know, the real fear if Trump wins is civil discourse or or civil unrest rather in this country. A lot of people are scared of that because they remember what happened when he won in 2016. You know, and there’s there were some of it that was real peaceful, like the women’s march. There was no violence at the women’s march to speak of.
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02:03:30
Mhmm.
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02:03:30
You meh, I’m sure there was some, but it wasn’t ai the BLM arya. The BLM marches were crazy.
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02:03:36
Right. Do you think that’s gonna happen if he wins?
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02:03:39
I think there’s a certain amount of that that’s coordinated, and I think there’s a certain amount of that that they they do to, initiate civil unrest to, to further their political goals. Ai think there’s a certain amount of that that’s real. Ai think that’s always been the case.
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02:03:57
There’s always been, agent provocateurs that go into peaceful protests and start smashing things sai the cops can come in and and and and shut everything down. And then there was during the BLM, I’m sure you sai during some of the, the protests and riots that there was these bricks that were just left everywhere.
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02:04:17
Did you see that? No. Yeah. There was at some places, there was pallets of bricks that were just left in the middle of the course of where these protests would be. It didn’t make any sense. Like, why is this there? Right.
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02:04:28
And
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02:04:28
there was all these conspiracy theories, and there’s all these people that are absolutely dismissing the conspiracy theories. I’m, like, why would you dismiss it? Like, what do you do you do you think that some people benefit from civil unrest? They certainly do. If you wanted to, get the the public riled up and get you just start smashing things and ai them on fire and give people this feeling that they could do that.
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02:04:50
That was a wild time, man.
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02:04:51
Crazy ai, man.
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02:04:52
That was a wild and and a lot of the people who were right at the front of that cheerleading it on from the ai. It’s like what they did with Joe Biden. Like, yesterday, he was the leader of the free world, this perfect guy. He’s got no cognitive issues. And then tomorrow, bam, he he he’s done.
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02:05:06
Well, the defund the police stuff. You know, that was all that was all about, defunding the police. Are you out of your fucking mind? Do you you don’t know jack shit about police work, and you’re saying to defund the but even some people that knew about it were using it as a political tool.
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02:05:20
Kamala Harris was saying defund the police.
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02:05:23
Totally. Would you ask her about that if she comes home?
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02:05:26
Sure. Yeah. I’d ask her about changing perspectives. I think it’s important that people change perspectives. Like, people say, oh, they flip flopped. Well, that’s probably good. That means they they they maybe they were faced with better evidence and they ai they were incorrect.
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02:05:37
I would rather have that when someone, like, sticks to some stupid erroneous idea forever. Yeah.
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02:05:42
And The real question is, did they actually change their mind? Right. That’s the question.
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02:05:46
Arya they just a politician? Like, some people are car salesman. Some people tell you need the undercarriage protection. You need that undercarriage protection.
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02:05:54
And it’s It’s very important.
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02:05:58
And and sell it.
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02:05:58
And and it’s also the way they marketed that. They were ai, this is a left wing idea.
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02:06:03
Mhmm.
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02:06:03
I’m telling you right now. People who are poor want police.
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02:06:09
Yeah.
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02:06:09
If you live in a poor deprived area with high rates of crime, you want police.
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02:06:15
Yeah.
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02:06:15
You don’t want a drug dealer on your on your on your on your, you know, selling crack. You don’t want armed gangs roaming around. You want them to come and protect your family. So the idea that we’re gonna get rid of police and all of a sudden all the rapists are gonna go, you know what, mate? Decide not for me.
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02:06:30
Well, there was also so many weird ways to handle the riots. Like, one of the things they did in New York City is just let people do whatever they wanted to do and let it burn out, which is apparently, that was a way that people theorized that was the best way to deal with civil unrest way way back into the sixties.
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02:06:50
But it was proven to not be correct. Ai, it’s not a good idea because it encourages people to do more shit.
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02:06:54
You’ve got kids, Joe. Yes. If your kids are running riot, do you let it just burn out? No. Fuck no.
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02:07:02
No. Well, especially when people ai, if you’re in New York, like, I’m sure you sai, like, Saks Fifth Avenue, all these different stores that got their windows smashed, and people just stole 1,000,000 of dollars worth of shit. Smashed, destroyed, lit things on ai. Like, why would you ever wanna come back to that city? Ai would you ever wanna have a business there?
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02:07:22
You’re gonna kill the businesses that keep people coming to the city and help the economy. That’s insanity.
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02:07:29
It’s dispiriting. It’s actually dispiriting. And be because when you saw those events happening, you just felt like I I was watching going, what is happening? What is happening to society? Because every time someone commits a crime and they get away with it and you see it it has a demoralizing effect on you because you think hang on a minute Ai work hard I ai tax I do all of this and you are allowed to just go around roam scot free nickel the stuff, make and then there’s no repercussions for it.
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02:07:59
So why am I taking part in a system which is effectively punishing me?
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02:08:03
Yeah. It’s disheartening. That’s the best way to put it. I gotta pee real quick. Yeah. We’ll do that. We’ll come back.
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02:08:08
I’ll do that. Alright. Cool.
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02:08:08
Yay. Much better. Can’t concentrate when I have to pee.
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02:08:12
It’s possible. Yeah. That that is so true. The moment you meet it’s I remember doing a gig at the Edinburgh Festival, and the crowd were just awful. They just weren’t going for anything. And I was like, why is this? And one of the comedians turned around to meh. It was raining outside. I’m like, so?
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02:08:31
He went, they’ve all got wet socks.
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02:08:33
Oh. You can’t be happy when
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02:08:34
you’ve got wool. He can’t be happy when you’ve got wet socks on. Maybe he
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02:08:38
should try some hate speech. Didn’t the guy get arrested in, Ireland because he refused to call a boy, a girl
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02:08:50
in the class?
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02:08:51
The teacher.
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02:08:51
The teacher. Yeah. Yeah. They literally put him in jail. Right?
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02:08:54
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:08:54
How long is he in jail for?
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02:08:56
I it’s been a while. It’s been a while and it’s Oh,
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02:09:00
that’s dystopian. That is that’s really crazy.
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02:09:03
But it’s a logical conclusion of this hate speech bullshit. Right? Gail. If it’s hate speech, then you have to prosecute it. If you prosecute it, you have to punish people. If to punish people, how do you punish people? You put them in a fucking cage.
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02:09:14
Fucking crazy.
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02:09:15
And it’s also as well, it’s that whole safety is an issue, which is we need to keep people safe.
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02:09:20
Yeah. And words are violence. That’s another one.
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02:09:23
Yeah. And if somebody is going around spreading hate speech, he’s making people unsafe.
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02:09:28
They even if they just feel unsafe, Francis, they feel unsafe.
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02:09:31
They feel unsafe?
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02:09:32
Yeah. They feel unsafe.
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02:09:33
But but and it’s that’s what it’s all about. You’ve made me feel unsafe. Therefore, I am unsafe. And what do we need to do about that? You need to be you need to be got rid of. You can’t have it here.
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02:09:42
Not just shah, but you set a massive example to anybody else. You step out of ai, we’re gonna put you in a cage. Yeah. So it’s time to start calling boys, girls, or girls, boys, or whatever the fuck we tell you to. It’s just completely illogical.
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02:09:54
It says he was jailed because he broke, like, a trespassing order kind of for not for going back there when they tyler him not to.
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02:10:00
That would be the 3rd time ai. Right?
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02:10:02
Yeah. So tell him to go back
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02:10:05
to the school? Yeah. He went back to the school to talk to people or something, and that’s what he got arrested for.
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02:10:08
So he got fired. Why? He was not arrested for his position on transgender pronouns as claimed in misleading social media posts. Social media users shared a video of Burke’s arrest outside the school September 2nd where he’s heard saying, I have a right to work here. I have a right to be here. Not to tell students that they need to take puberty blockers. Oh, wow.
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But Ram, this is the 3rd time though. What was he arrested for initially? Because that’s really kind of what we’re talking about.
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Scroll down at the bottom though. Ai mean, here what it says more. It says there, other people off camera also say you’re arresting him because he won’t endorse gender transgender ai. And Innoch Burke, teacher being arrested for not accepting transgenderism. People circulating the clip online suggest Burke was arrested for his views with some writing breaking. Irish police arrest teacher Innoch Burke for not endorsing trans ideology.
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02:10:57
So was he fired for not that? Terms in of injunction that instructs him to stay away from the school. So he must have been fired for that, and then he refused to just leave. And so he kept coming back, and then they arrested him.
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02:11:09
I mean, you know No. But that
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sai, he was arrested for a third time. Yeah. So I’m guessing the previous 2 arrested might not have been for trespassing. They might have been for things that he’d said.
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02:11:19
Oh, that’s fine.
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02:11:19
That’d be worth checking.
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02:11:20
Jamie will find that
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out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:11:22
It’s you know, this is the thing that I find the most egregious is when you get kids involved. Because the thing is with kids, kids don’t know. They don’t understand the concept a lot of them of especially at a young age of gender. So and they’re very impressionable of children of course they are sai you can pump them full of this stuff and eventually they can believe it they’re not like adults who go hang on a minute mate the odd kid is
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02:11:51
but the
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but the majority of them are highly suggestible. That’s why children have parents because they’re not capable of making their own choices. Right. It really is that simple. That’s why there’s teachers. That’s why there’s, you know, there’s adult leaders. Yeah. So they go to them.
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You are not capable of making this decision because your brain is not mature enough. It is not developed enough. I am an adult. I will be the one making your choices. And then when you get to whatever age, age 18, 21, depending on the thing, then you can go off and you can live your life and you can do whatever you want.
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02:12:23
Until then, I am the one in charge. And to this idea that then you then let as something as huge as this where there’s gonna be medical intervention and surgeries. I’m gonna call it what it is, Joe. That’s child abuse. It’s child abuse.
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02:12:39
You at least they’ve stopped it in the UK in terms of the surgeries and, puberty blockers.
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02:12:45
Sort of describing more, but it’s still ai he said he didn’t wanna call the student they, so they told him administrative leave, and he kept coming back to the school. Okay. So they put him on.
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02:12:55
Yeah. So that’s what it is. Instructed staff that a pupil who was transitioning to another gender wished to be referred to by a new name and the pronouns they, a change supported by the pupil’s parents. Burke from Castlebar County Mayo, who teaches history, refused, citing his religious beliefs.
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02:13:13
The school put Burke on paid administrative leave after he allegedly confronted the principal at a public event and questioned her in a heated manner, a claim Burke denies. After Burke continued to attend the school, it obtained a court order barring him from the campus. He continued to show up, prompting his jailing for contempt of court. Right.
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So it sounds like a guy making a stand, basically.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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02:13:35
You know? And and it you know what’s even more nuts about this? Ireland’s a Catholic country. Yeah. Ireland is a country that With
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02:13:43
Mohammed being the number one name for young boys.
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02:13:45
In in Ireland? Yeah. Really?
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Yeah. That’s the number one name for boys.
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02:13:52
I mean, the the Catholic faith has changed a lot since I well, a
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lot of people moved there.
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02:14:00
Yeah. Yeah. But but you know what? Sai well, it’s
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02:14:04
Find that statistic because that statistic’s crazy.
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02:14:06
Yeah.
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And Sai just ai
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I typed it in and it didn’t pop up right away, so I don’t know. There might be a way in which it is, but
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Maybe it’s number 2.
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Maybe it’s number 2.
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I think it was number 1 for young boys in, like, one of the most recent years.
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02:14:18
I hope they’re not calling the girls that.
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That would be so cruel.
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I can’t even draw her.
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02:14:24
Yeah. But, yeah, it’s Maybe in
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one city, it says in Ai, in Galway City.
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02:14:29
Is it Galway? Galway. Galway. Galway. Yeah.
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That’s what pops up when I typed in Mohammed on top of it. It said Ai number one name in Ireland. Brian? Ai. Bryden.
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02:14:38
Ryan lad. Yeah.
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02:14:40
But, you know, this again is what gives me hope, Joe, is that especially in the UK, we have fought really long and hard against this stuff there was a report done by one of the one of the most important pediatricians called doctor Cass and the Cass report and it basically took a bulldozer to all of this crap Meh. To all of it and you go this is what we can do if we just start challenging and we go no boys cannot become girls, girls cannot become boys that doesn’t mean that if you know somebody is having gender dysphoria they need they don’t have therapy talk to them help them of course all of this thing we need to look at the reasons why girls are wanting to transition in their droves ai is this particularly 40% of girls who are wanting to transition, they’ve got autism.
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02:15:34
We need to talk about this. We need to investigate it, and we need to help these kids. But just giving puberty blockers and sending them on the stream to essentially have their life medicalized for the rest of time, that ain’t a solution.
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And it’s profitable, which is even scarier. So once these these institutions become established and start making money off of it, they sana continue to.
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02:15:56
Well, that’s why I think we’re ahead of the US in the UK because we don’t have that profit motive to do it. Do you think I was gonna ask you that. Do you think we’ve reached peak woke, Joe? Do you think we’re past it now? Do you think we’ve turned the tide?
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02:16:09
It’s still here. I mean, it’s like we killed off most of the wolves, but there’s still a lot. I think it’s always gonna be a thing that people ascribe to. There’s there’s always gonna be a thing that people join up with because it’s very they’re very aggressive in the ideology and people like aggressive things, just like Nazis never really went away.
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02:16:32
There’s just ai way less of them. Mhmm. You know? Mhmm. Ai, when you get on Twitter today, you could still find some real Nazis, which is kinda crazy.
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Mhmm.
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Because you would have thought after 45, we hit peak Sai, you know? It’s over. Mhmm. But it’s not. It’s there’s always gonna be woke people. There’s always gonna be crazy ridiculous people that take things to the extreme. In the sixties, it was the weather underground. You know, you’re always gonna have people that are out of their fucking mind. You’re always gonna have Antifa. Mhmm.
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02:16:58
You’re always gonna have something like that where people believe the most extreme version of something. Because they it gives them meaning, and it’s a group you could just join. Anybody can join, and then you start fighting for it because those are the people who are the the downfall of civilization.
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02:17:13
You know, I wonder about that online stuff because it based on what I see, I don’t see it reflected in, like, normal day to day life. And and we had, Ashley Sai. Clair on our show last time we were in the US. And she was talking about all these idiots running around going speak ai.
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02:17:27
You’ve heard this bullshit? Mhmm. And she said at the time she said a lot of this is foreign influence. And I was ai, oh, okay. I mean, Ai don’t know. And then you had this Tenet Media thing. Did you follow this?
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What is it?
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02:17:40
Tenet Media? It was a law Tenet. Tenet Media. Yeah. Did you did you follow that?
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Not much.
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02:17:45
Yeah. So it was basically, the Russian government through various proxies gave $10,000,000 to people in America. I think Lauren it was Lauren Chen and her husband’s company.
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Oh, that’s right.
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That that was the one.
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02:17:56
So what was going on with that? Were they saying positive things about Russia?
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02:18:00
It the I don’t think as from what I’ve seen, I may be wrong about this, I didn’t see any evidence that any of the influencers who ended up being paid were, like, on the payroll to do specific things.
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Do you think it’s valuable to them to give the money just so they can ai of those people can be dismissed?
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02:18:19
It’s so that those people can pollute the space. Right? If everyone thinks the right wants to repeal women’s right to vote Right. That divides ai, and it creates chaos. Like, when I see all these Nazis talking online, I don’t see that reflect like, we went to the Trump rally. None of them were there.
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Every time Israel got mentioned, there was a big cheer. You know what I mean? Mhmm. So I don’t see that reflected in reality. And I wonder how many of those thousands of likes and retweets are real.
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02:18:44
Right. That’s a factor. Did you see the thing that happened at the Trump boat rally in Florida, where a Nazi boat pulled up, and they had, like, swastikas and everything and the whole deal, and with masks on and everybody just started hosing them. They were saying, get the fuck out of here because it’s a kind of agent provocateur type deal, where you probably have someone, some group that wants to make all the Trump people look like Nazis, so they show up.
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And then I saw media outlets report on it, ai, the Nazi flags we’re seeing at the Trump rally.
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Mhmm. Yeah.
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Which is Again, and and it’s a great point, but the thing we always focus on with the right is the far right, and we should focus on them, and we should talk about them. Yeah. We never talk about the far left and communism. Right. And, you know, people are on like, I’m Venezuelan.
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I there were people in the Labour Party eulogizing Chavez right about 2,005 ai the same time as he was putting my relatives in jail. Yeah. And then they were just there ai, and then they’ve all moved on, and they’ve disappeared like butterflies in the wind, and no one addresses it anymore.
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And everyone’s like, oh, well, that’s fine. You go, so where’s the consistency?
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Right.
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02:19:52
If you’re gonna hold the right to account and you should hold the right to it hold the right to account, you you’ve sana hold your own side to account with people who are like, well, communism was never ai. And you’re going, I think it was, mate.
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02:20:04
Yeah. Just wasn’t tried right.
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02:20:06
Well, the reason I asked you
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02:20:07
Yeah. Those
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02:20:08
kids in Brooklyn have it figured out. Yeah.
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The reason I asked you about Speak Woe, because I heard, Rahm Emanuel. Remember he was Obama’s chief of staff, mayor of Chicago? He was on, Sam Harris’s podcast, And they had a very interesting conversation where people in the center of the the left, they are backtracking on wokeness and quickly.
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02:20:27
They’re ai, oh, that was just a moment. Yeah. We let some crazies that’s kinda how they’re talking about.
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02:20:31
Is that where Sam’s at right now?
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02:20:32
No. I don’t know about Sam. Sam was, I think Sam was uber anti woke. He always has been. And he was pushing Emmanuel to kinda go, why doesn’t Kamala Harris come out and say, look, I went along with all this woke shit ai many of us did. Right? That was a moment we we you know, Ai was wrong about that. We’re not talking about that now. We’re talking about make America better, make America richer.
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02:20:54
Like, why doesn’t why doesn’t why don’t those people just draw a line under it and say, that was a mistake. That and a lot of people on the center left now are awake to this moment, I think. That’s, excuse me, that’s why I asked you because this does seem to be something happening.
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02:21:09
Yeah. Something’s happening, and I think it’s it was inevitable because it’s sai much of what people are dealing with is just stupid. And there’s so much pushback against it, and that’s what Trump represents. That that’s what the the the reason why there were 75,000 people outside of Madison Square Garden.
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Mhmm.
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And, you know, the place was overflowing with humans. That’s what it represents. Like, people are tired of being badgered. They’re tired of being lectured to. They’re tired of being told what to think and what to say and what to believe, and they don’t like it. They don’t like that this one party is keep talking about change, but they’ve been in control for 12 out of the past or is it 12 out of the no.
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02:21:49
14 out of the past 16 years. That’s crazy.
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02:21:52
Yeah.
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02:21:52
How can you be talking about change?
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02:21:54
You know?
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02:21:55
They’re tired of it. They want something to be different that makes them feel like there’s hope.
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02:21:58
And they’re also tired of being called bad people. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, left and right, they’re both half the fucking country. Right. Right? So you can’t run a country by claiming that half the country is evil and and in some way. You can’t you can’t do that about the right.
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02:22:14
Ai can’t do that about the left. Look, the people on the right, they are the firefighters and the police officers and the soldiers. It’s stereotypically speaking. Of course, there’s left wing fire. You know what I ai. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
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02:22:25
You’re gonna run a country without firefighters
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02:22:27
and police?
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02:22:27
Right. You’re gonna run a country without soldiers? Right.
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02:22:30
Sai mean, you tried running a country without police,
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mate.
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Yeah. It doesn’t work very well. Right? Yeah. And likewise, you need also the more creatively minded people who are on the left and who who run administrative shah and other kinds of things.
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02:22:42
Yeah.
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You need both sides to realize in this country, you’re all Americans. In our country, you’re all British. Like, you wanna be tribal, go for it. But let’s agree we’re all 1, and then we can go be tribal against China or whatever. You know what
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02:22:54
I mean? We need someone who’s a leader who can articulate that, that’s a part of one of the major parties, who can say that and sort of unite people. And you’re not getting that from either side. Either side is the other side is stupid and they’re ridiculous. They’re gonna be the downfall of us and this is a dumb person. This is an evil person. Is there’s no ai. There’s like, it should be.
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02:23:18
I don’t think you have to do it that way. I really don’t. Because I think if somebody just avoided all that stuff and just focused entirely on the good things that are possible if we all work together, everybody who’s not gonna listen to their opponent who’s constantly shitting on them.
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02:23:33
If the if this one person is shitting on the other person relentlessly and the other person doesn’t even respond to it, just talks about what they wanna do, that person looks really stupid and petty. Mhmm. But if as soon as you engage, now you’re just like them. And now it’s ai, I had to hit them back. Like, do you? Do you really?
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02:23:48
How about just say what you think you can do and say what needs to be done and how you’re gonna do it?
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02:23:54
And I think this is a reason why we in this in in the UK have made far greater strides with the whole with the whole medical intervention with children issue is because it’s not really a political issue. People on the left have spoken out against it and people on the ai, and the and the people ai heroes like JK Rowling.
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02:24:15
And the moment you get people like that talking about it on both sides, people are then able to listen because it’s someone from their side who they think is inverted commas a good person going, oh, she’s talking about it.
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02:24:27
Did you see the thing that she tweeted about the puberty blocker study that they wouldn’t release
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02:24:31
Yeah.
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It’s so crazy. They they they made a puberty blocker study. They found that it doesn’t help the kids. No. Doesn’t help their mental health, and they thought that it would embolden the other ai. So they decided not to release it. So you found out that it’s bad for kids. You don’t want people to know that it’s bad for kids.
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02:24:49
And she wrote, so you could speak keep doing terrible things to kids.
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02:24:53
You know, and and then But,
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02:24:55
again, it shouldn’t just shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right?
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02:24:57
No. Of course.
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02:24:58
Especially with children. Jesus Christ. That’s crazy. The also the thing in the UK, you guys have socialized medicine.
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02:25:05
Yeah.
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02:25:06
Sai there’s not this giant machine behind it the way it is here. The other thing about America is advertisement. So this is one of 2 countries in the world where pharmaceutical drug companies can advertise, and that’s not good. That’s clearly not good. We’re fucking full on captured by them and the amount of money that they can make. And then the whole system behind them is so deeply ingrained in money.
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02:25:28
You know? It’s just they’ve they’ve got their hooks in deep in politics and television and media. They got their hooks in deep, and that’s not good. And that’s why you can have these conversations in Meh and and medical stuff gets connected to left or right wing.
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02:25:43
Mhmm. But the great thing is with America is your first amendment. You’re so lucky to have that, Joe. You’re so lucky that you don’t have what we have, where people where politicians are openly talking about we need to tackle Islamophobia.
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02:26:00
Yeah.
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02:26:00
You know, and you go I was talking to a very very senior member of the of the police. He came to one of my gigs and then we’ve gotten the the tube home. And this is a very, very senior ai, deals with government. And I go to him, how long do you think until we have hate speech laws in the in the u in in England?
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02:26:18
Because Scotland has a different legal system. And he went probably 2 to 2 and a half years. And the and the fact and the fact that that and this guy was just very matter of fact about it made me made me realize that we’re in trouble. We’re in trouble because if government comes in and starts legislating, starts clamping down, that’s when you’re living on under authoritarian regime and run the authoritarian rule.
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02:26:46
But the fact you have this free speech amendment and you’ve said it yourself, if you don’t believe in free speak, you’re not Meh, that that is such a beautiful thing.
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02:26:56
This is the way people have to look at it. You would think that stopping hate speech would be a good thing, and it would. It would be great if everybody voluntarily stopped using hate speech. It would be wonderful. But as soon as you can define hate speech in as simple terms as calling someone by their original name when they’ve decided to change genders.
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02:27:14
Like, if you don’t wanna be Francis anymore, but I insist on calling you Francis, and you can put me in jail for that, that’s really crazy. And it’s dangerous because it’s just control, and you can’t allow that kind of control to be in the hands of any government body where because of the words out of your mouth, they can now put you in a cage.
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02:27:34
That’s a crazy precedent to set. Forget it. Put yourself outside of who’s right or who’s wrong and just think about the concept of the words that you say an opinion that you espouse can put you in a cage. You don’t ever wanna give the government that because that can keep moving. That that definition of what is hate can keep moving.
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02:27:54
It can keep moving to a really ridiculous place, which I think it is if you’re you’re doing things like gender identity. Especially if someone decide like, if admiral Levine, that person, that Rachel Levine person, if you can’t say, hey, that looks like a guy. If you can’t say that, you meh in well, now you’re getting locked up for what? For accurate observations?
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02:28:15
This is nuts, and it’s dangerous because once you set a precedent, then they can keep moving that further and further down the line. They attach you to a social credit score system, and then they decide whether or not you can buy groceries. And now they can kinda dictate your behavior in the way you talk and think, and now we’re in 1984. Like, legit.
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02:28:33
And if people and you don’t have to even be a genius to understand this. Right. If you look at history, look at all the societies where speech is heavily restricted. You would not want to live in any of those places.
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02:28:44
And you don’t get any creativity. You you you miss out on everything that it is to be an American. You miss out on all the cool this is ai the in in terms of, like, entertainment, how much entertainment comes out of the United States that the world consumes in terms of music, comedy, movies?
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02:28:58
A giant percentage of the world’s entertainment comes out of right here because you have the ability to freely express yourself.
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02:29:06
Yeah. And that’s the reason Hollywood’s in the doldrums now because they don’t have the ability to freely express themselves.
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02:29:12
You know who else they get fucked with? Rappers.
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02:29:16
They can still get wild. They get wild.
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02:29:19
They get fucking wild. They still do. They they say crazy shit in rap songs that you could never get away with in any kind of rock and roll song or pop song, you know. That Mexican OT, do you know who knows who that guy is? I have that dude in here. He’s awesome. He’s hilarious. But he’s got this ai.
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02:29:35
He’s like, lately, I’ve been fucking.
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02:29:39
New town. New town. I’m way all around.
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02:29:42
The the rap is ridiculous. It’s so crazy, but it’s like that old school braggadocious fun kind of, like, music. Again, entertainment. He’s a wonderful guy. I mean, he was a really nice guy. Very cool. Very cool dude. Very fun. But it’s a art form.
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02:29:58
It’s a art form just like death metal is an art form. It’s like a kind people like different shah, and rap for whatever reason, has gotten a pass because people are scared of being called racist.
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02:30:11
That’s that’s black privilege, Sean. Right? Or Mexican privilege to convince
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02:30:16
these guys Yeah. Cases.
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02:30:17
They should have had him open the Trump rallies.
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02:30:19
That would
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02:30:19
have been
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02:30:20
amazing. Yeah. I think he, I think he performed in front of Andrew Schultz’s, special. Yeah. I think he did. You know? Or at least Andrew used his song.
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02:30:30
I mean, what they did to Andrew was wild as well. Did you follow this?
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02:30:33
It was fascinating. But, again, had the opposite effect.
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02:30:36
Yeah.
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02:30:36
You know? So that was, this Brooklyn theater. They found out right after he did the Trump, podcast. 3 hours later, they pulled his special. Like, he was supposed to be filming a special there. He’d already done a walk through of the theater, ai, approved the theater. They’re gonna sell tickets, and they pulled it. And it’s just a political thing.
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02:30:56
But what are they what what do they these I’m assuming business people. Right? Yeah. What the fuck do they think they’re achieving by doing? Are they think they’re gonna
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02:31:04
They’re on the
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02:31:04
right side. Special?
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02:31:05
Yeah. They think, well, no. They know he’ll do it somewhere else. It does he’s big enough where it doesn’t matter. Andrew can do anything. You know, he’s huge. So he could go anywhere else. Anybody every other place would be happy to have him, but they take a stand, you know.
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02:31:18
They’re signaling to their audience.
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02:31:20
Yes. They’re signaling to their community that people don’t feel safe, you know, because it’s it’s but it’s, you know, it it has the opposite effect. It just makes Andrew bigger. People find out about it. They get outraged. They can’t wait to get tickets for his new place. So he’s now he’s gonna go to a new place that’s bigger and better, and he’s gonna it’s their special will be even bigger.
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02:31:40
Yeah. Yeah. That’s Yeah. And he’s
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02:31:42
an he’s an undeniable guy. Totally. There’s certain people that are just undeniable forces. They’re undeniably talented, and they’ll they’ll find a way through all this stupid shit. Tony’s one of them. Yeah. He’s undeniable. He’ll he’ll make his way through this and be better than ever.
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02:31:56
But this attacking that they did with Andrew, it just was so ineffective, and it just made him bigger. But it wasn’t really attacking. They just said they don’t wanna be a part of it, which I guess if it’s your fucking theater and you just have this decision and you wanna do it and it’s not really gonna harm him.
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02:32:11
It’s just gonna if you understand the publicity effect, the the what it’s gonna do is the opposite. It’s gonna make this person who just interviewed Trump even more popular. Ai, go have at it.
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02:32:21
Did you have a lot of pushback after you had Trump on?
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02:32:23
I have no idea. I don’t pay attention.
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02:32:26
That’s sai
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02:32:26
smart thing to do.
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02:32:27
It’s the only way to do it. Ai I’ve adopted that a long time ago, and I wasn’t gonna change it for Trump for the Trump, interview. Ai was I’m not paying attention. I don’t know.
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02:32:36
You know, but figures like Andrew and Tony are really important for the culture because they send a very very strong message to everybody else. You are not gonna cancel meh. You are not gonna win. And in fact, the tactics that you use to try and suppress me, to try and stifle me, all they’re gonna do is make me better, bigger, and stronger.
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02:32:58
And that’s such a beautiful message to send out to everybody. Just go, you know what? You tried to stop me. You all you’re doing is making me even more powerful.
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02:33:07
I think people are realizing that now. I think it really worked back in the day, like, you could cancel some people back in there. There’s some people that have been legit like Milo. He got legitimately canceled. Remember that guy used to be on he was on Bill Maher shah. He was everywhere.
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02:33:22
He was always these videos, he would sit down. I had him on the podcast. The guy was great. Back in the Bill Maher actually compared him to Christopher Hitchens and everybody’s ai, shut the fuck up there, Matt. He’s ai funny, articulate gay guy with a bit of a drug problem that, is a Republican. And I was ai, what the fuck are we gonna do with this?
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02:33:41
And for him, it was a great avenue to get through, and so wildly popular. They remove him from Twitter. They remove him from everything. They remove him from YouTube, and he kinda goes away.
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02:33:50
What did he say?
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02:33:52
Well, he talked about his own experiences as an underage man.
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02:33:58
Oh, that’s what so it sounded like he was kind of condoning.
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02:34:02
Kind of condone and he was kind of saying it, not on just on my podcast, but there was another podcast where he talked about these men becoming ai mentors to young gay boys and that it actually helps them. And I was like, you’re talking about pedophilia.
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02:34:18
The Greek model. Right? That’s what the Greeks used to do.
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02:34:20
It’s it’s considered different in you know, when you think about man to boy who is a gay boy versus man to heterosexual girl
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02:34:30
Mhmm.
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02:34:30
Like, people get much more offended at the idea of a grown man and a young girl that’s heterosexual, then that’s molesting. Whereas with a lot of gay guys, and I’m not saying this is right, but their attitude is this is what they wanted when they were 14. Mhmm. Like, that’s what Milo sai. Like, I was predator. That’s literally what he said on the podcast. Believe meh, I was the predator. Like, it’s, like, ridiculous.
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02:34:54
But that’s his experience, and he was talking about it, and they were, like, that’s all we needed. And, like, this guy is defending pedophilia, and they went after him. And that was back in the day when Twitter was solely controlled by the left. Mhmm. And you could cancel a guy like that, and it was effective.
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02:35:10
And, you know, I remember a lot of arguments when people were trying to deplatform people, ai, when they deplatform Trump and there was a few other people that got deep they were saying deplatforming works. This is what’s been shown. Deplatforming works.
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02:35:23
Mhmm.
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02:35:24
Right. For a little while, but you fucking idiots, it’s it’s actually gonna if someone crazy like Elon comes along and has the money to back it up and sai, I’m gonna step in and I’m gonna make a Wild West Twitter. Like, they had talked about doing 2 like, when I had Jack on the podcast, he was talking about doing 2 versions of Twitter, doing a regulated moderated Twitter and then a Wild West Twitter.
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02:35:45
And I
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02:35:46
was like, when’s the Wild West Twitter?
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02:35:48
And that’s what Elon did. He opened up a Wild West Twitter. Yeah. Dude, there’s some shit that I find on Twitter. I’m like, what? Like, this is not and they’re doing a pretty good job of hiding that where you gotta click through to see some of the more egregious things that people say.
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02:36:04
But yeah. I mean, the problem is as well is that you deplatform, there’s gonna be somebody out there who’s gonna go, you know what? We’re gonna build a platform. Right.
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02:36:13
But you know what they did with those platforms? They infiltrated those platforms with hate. Right? So, like, if maybe reasonable right wing people decided to leave and start their own thing, you saw these bots that would go to these unregulated places and say the most outrageous, horrible shit, and they might not even be real people.
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02:36:34
And according to we’ve talked about this many times, but according to an FBI analyst who was examining Twitter and the interactions on Twitter, his estimation was it could be as high as 80% bots. So if you try to open up whether it’s True Social or just pick a name, Gab. Gab had a a problem with that.
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02:36:54
You just get bombarded by bots who are trying to ruin your company. Right? And whether that’s the government or whether it’s competing social media companies, like, if there’s no laws about this Mhmm. If there’s no laws about creating bots and you’re running, you know, whatever it is, threads, and then this other thing opens up and you go, you know what?
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02:37:15
Let’s fill that place up with Nazis. And you just start having these computers that you have connected to all these accounts just posting the worst shit possible. Michelle Obama’s got a dick and the the White House is filled with pedophiles. And you just, like, flood it with craziness, and now nobody wants to go there.
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02:37:33
You go there, and you’re looking for, like, a reasonable Republican conservative social media platform that you could join, and you could talk about things that are bothering you. You can’t even go there.
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02:37:42
Yeah. And what they did is in the case of Parler is that they then shut it down, and they pulled the
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02:37:48
plug. Oh.
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02:37:48
Do you
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02:37:49
remember that?
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02:37:49
Take their servers away all
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02:37:50
the time.
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02:37:51
Right. Yeah. Perfect example. Right? Now you don’t have this right wing version of this thing.
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02:37:56
Well, this is one one thing I’m really hoping Elon gets to because he’s been kinda busy as we know, and I think him taking over Twitter is fucking awesome. It’s really opened up a lot of things that needed opening up. But one of the things he talked about early on was bots. Mhmm.
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02:38:09
And I
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02:38:09
feel like there’s probably a lot more work to do on that. So when when they get round to that, that would be make that would make Twitter better. Because I do hear from a lot of people who are just ai, I’m glad it’s more open now, but every time I open my for you thing, it’s like, fuck.
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02:38:22
But the thing is, it’s like, okay. If you decided that the way to eliminate bots is to require ID, This is where it gets weird because there’s data breaches.
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02:38:31
Yeah.
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02:38:31
Right? So if you’re posting something under Skippy McCoy 69, that’s you got some crazy fake name, and then all of a bryden, it gets revealed that this is you. And maybe you work in a right wing office and you’re posting something about abortion ai. Mhmm. And people just decide, let’s get rid of that fucking guy because now we know it’s you.
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02:38:50
Right. So we that’s It’s complicated. Yeah. For sure.
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02:38:53
People have been fired from things they posted on Reddit Yeah. Where they’re shitposting.
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02:38:56
Yeah. Yeah.
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02:38:57
Shitposting on Reddit is a lot like talking shit when you don’t mean it in a group chat. We’re just saying ridiculous like, Ari Shaffir sai the most horrendous things. He doesn’t mean it. Ari is a great guy.
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02:39:08
Right.
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02:39:08
He’s saying something because it’s funny to say. Mhmm. And when you stop that because you can go and investigate who this person is, people say things they don’t mean just because they wanna get a rise out of people because they’re bryden they’re ai an anonymous person. They’ll say horrible shah. They’ll come up with a horrible meme. Are arya we really gonna fire these people?
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02:39:27
They’re gonna lose their livelihood for something that is just for for them, it’s like sport almost?
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02:39:33
Definitely not. But what I’m saying is to the extent that foreign governments are interfering with what we think is the truth Yeah. And what we think is the real conversation, to the extent that other nefarious actors are trying to manipulate views, clicks, etcetera, that’s a big fucking problem.
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02:39:47
It’s a big fucking problem. And it’s a problem that doesn’t seem to be addressed at all.
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02:39:52
No. No. No.
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02:39:53
And we don’t even know how many people are involved in this because it’s so difficult. If you’re going through a VPN and you’ve got a computer bank and you’ve got these people that look real, because you can now you can make artificial photos of families. You can make you could ai, I want a black woman and a Chinese man, and this is their family. An AI wants you to create their kids.
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02:40:14
And so you can have all these posts on Ram, like, oh, you can follow these people over the years. It’s all bullshit. And that’s so easy to do now, and you could do it on Twitter. It’s way more easy because nobody even wants to see pic pictures of you. So you could have a bunch of posts about things that happen to you during the day that make you a real person and just Nazi shit.
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02:40:34
And this is the issue as well is that when people talk about, you know, hate speech, they’re making an incredibly complex issue very simple because they go, oh, yeah. We’re gonna get rid of hate speech.
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02:40:44
Right.
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02:40:44
And then you go, well, what does that meh, and what is it gonna be the effects of that? Right. And also as well, look. There’s a lot of young kids on social media. I don’t know about you, but when I was a young kid, I said lots of dumb shit.
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02:40:57
Right.
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02:40:57
What are you then gonna destroy someone’s life for the next 20 years? Because they said something that could be racist or maybe is racist when they’re 15 years old?
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02:41:05
Also, there’s some things that people see that people have attempted to make mainstream, that people rejected. Ai, one of them is minor attracted persons. Right? You’ve seen this. Right?
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02:41:19
It’s MAP, Joe. Please. Let’s have some respect.
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02:41:21
I’ve seen
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02:41:22
Minor ai pedophiles.
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02:41:23
Because legitimate professors say that it’s offensive to call someone a ai, and you should call them a minor attracted person and not to marginalize them. What if it becomes hate speech to call someone a pedophile? Right? That is not when you see how far we’ve gone, that’s not outside of what could be possible.
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02:41:42
Yeah. Because if if you follow this train of thought to its logical conclusion, and if they are a ai, and all minorities need to be protected Yes. Particularly from a meh from a majority who ai them and particularly in the case of pedophiles where the majority fucking hate them
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02:41:57
Right.
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02:41:57
Then you go, well, you know, this, you know, this person can’t help who they arya. Therefore, they need protection, and they are a marginalized group.
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02:42:04
Yeah. And how much of that is being manipulated by foreign entities? How many how many people are out there trying to get us riled up about stuff?
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02:42:11
Right.
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02:42:12
I remember the Renee Deresta thing where she found out that there was a, Texas separatist meeting that was organized by these, these troll farms right across the street from this Muslim meeting. Like, they they literally had them on the same block. So they’re both protesting, ai, like, fuck you. Fuck you. And they’re just riling people up. Yeah.
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02:42:33
And it’s the idea was that they’re doing this to there’s a certain percentage of that. It’s gonna diminish our faith in democracy. That’s gonna diminish our diminish our faith in our system.
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02:42:43
Well, this is what Yuri Ai was talking about. You’ve seen the stuff. Right? And and Sai 100% believe there’s a lot of that going on right now.
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02:42:50
100%. It’s too accurate. Yeah. That speech that he gave in 84, when you when you apply it today, it’s like, oh ai god. He’s off by, like, a decade or so. Yeah. But not by much because sai couple of decades ago, if you were in a university, it’s still pretty ridiculous. There’s just no social media ai to the rest of the world.
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02:43:06
What it was, like, slowly taking root, but the thing that amplified it to the rest of the world was social media. And that was the unseen l element that really ai threw the the gasoline on the fire.
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02:43:20
I really think this issue, it it actually, in my opinion, is a national security issue. Yeah. And I think that when you when you look at it’s not just this social media influencing, but it extends beyond that. It’s other countries, hostile countries funding colleges and universities. It’s doing all of that kind of stuff.
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02:43:37
I really think the West needs to get serious about that and go, do we want foreign countries to be dictating to our citizens what the truth is?
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02:43:45
Right.
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02:43:46
And we’re gonna we’re gonna have to reckon with that. That you can’t that can’t just be left to to to its own devices because it’s not gonna end well.
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02:43:52
Yeah. It’s not. And it’s it’s scary that most people aren’t aware that it’s even taking place. You know, they think that these people with these opinions, this represents a ai portion of the country, and it’s real. And a lot of it is not real. And we don’t we’re not sure how much of it is real. And so, like, we don’t even really know what the conversation actually is between all of us.
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02:44:13
And then there’s no, like, reasonable people who are calling for civility. But people go, meh, I like how that ai talking. There’s no reasonable people call calling for some sort of a a coming together and a compromising. I mean, the most interesting people in the Republican party right now are people who used to be Democrats.
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02:44:30
Mhmm. Mhmm.
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02:44:31
Which is fascinating.
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02:44:31
Mhmm.
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02:44:32
Yeah. It’s like people have abandoned ship.
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02:44:34
Yeah. And, you know, and the thing that worries me is I talk we talk to a lot of Ai talk to a lot of young people, and we’ve had young people on the show. One person in particular was was talking about the fact that young people don’t believe in democracy anymore. Right. They just go, the system doesn’t work. It doesn’t represent me.
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02:44:53
Whenever we elect someone, they’re never go they don’t do what we want to do what we we want them to do. What’s the point? What we need is an oligarchy. We need strong men to come in and sort this out. And you’re like, woah.
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02:45:06
Don’t don’t careful what you wish for ai I’ve seen that.
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02:45:10
Socialism which always leads to an oligarchy.
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02:45:12
Yeah. Or just a dictator. That’s why there are people on the fringes of the right who are obsessed with Bukele. And Bukele has done a lot of good things in his country.
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02:45:22
Who’s Bukele?
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02:45:23
He’s the president is it Salvador?
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02:45:25
El Salvador. Yeah.
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02:45:26
He’s the president of El Salvador. Incredibly popular, but he sorted he basically took anyone who was a gang member and just threw them in prison. Right. And the countries are a lot better.
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02:45:36
Right. I’ve seen all that on
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02:45:37
A lot better. Ai, you know, Ai I don’t know enough about it to say whether it’s entirely a good thing or a bad thing, but you can see the temptation to kinda go, well, why don’t we just have one guy come in Right. And sort the shit out?
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02:45:48
Right.
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02:45:48
Yeah. You know?
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02:45:49
Right. But, you know, the real problem is how did they get there in the 1st place?
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02:45:53
Yeah.
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02:45:54
Or the real problem is, like, what’s instead of, like, cutting off the cancer, saying ai are we getting cancer? Like, what are we eating? What are we consuming? What’s wrong with our society that’s giving us these people that are gang members?
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02:46:04
Yes.
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02:46:04
Yeah.
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02:46:05
And she’s I’m not a gang member. You’re not a gang member. So okay. A lot of people grow up and they don’t become gang members. So how do we make more of that? How do we make more people that are productive, normal people shah are integrated into society and less gang members?
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02:46:19
And Yeah. Some people are gonna be gang meh, and there’s no getting away from that. Right. And those people, we have the police for that if we haven’t defied them. Right? Right. So you have to have a combination. On the one hand, you teach people how to live a good life, what you’re talking about.
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02:46:33
On the other hand, if you don’t sana follow the rules, we’re gonna crack down on you pretty fucking hard.
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02:46:38
Yes.
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02:46:38
Those two things together is how you get a good society.
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02:46:41
Right. And when you make excuses for why people are doing it, you call it systemic racism, all these different things, and you treat them with leniency, then you’re encouraging people to do crimes because there’s no repercussions. So you’re, again, not getting to the root of what’s causing them to be like that in the first place, but you’re minimizing what they’re doing because you address the fact that there’s a root.
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02:47:02
So, like, again, you’re dealing with the cancer. You’re ai, let the cancer grow. Like, cancer is a part of ai, Instead of saying, why am I getting cancer?
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02:47:10
Yeah. And also, the most dangerous thing with Bukele, I I I went on a date with a girl who’s another Salvadorian journalist, and I said, look. I don’t know anything about Bukele. Tell me about him. And she went to me that he gets his people to turn up if he doesn’t like sai a newspaper a a new a story in the news. Mhmm.
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02:47:32
And he him his his guys have a have a word and to get this suppressed.
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02:47:37
Well, this is the fear of the big strong man. Right? And this is the fear that a lot of people have of Trump. They’re scared that he would do that. This is the thing that they keep bringing up, which is ironic, is him turning the justice system on his enemies.
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02:47:50
It’s just ai, how
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02:47:51
you guys are so crazy. This is ai the nut this is like hookers getting mad at strippers.
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02:47:57
It’s like, what
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02:47:59
are you saying?
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02:48:02
He hasn’t even
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02:48:03
done it yet.
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02:48:04
She gets her tits out. Yeah.
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02:48:05
This is so nuts. You guys are it’s the the the way they’re talking about it, it’s almost like they don’t know what they’re doing. Mhmm. Or they’re not aware of what they’re doing.
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02:48:14
Or they know what they’re doing. I don’t give a fuck.
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02:48:16
Yeah. One of those. Either one’s not good. Yeah. But, you know, Ai from my conversation with Trump, I don’t think he’s the monster that everybody thinks he is. Ai I think I think for sure there’s been a gross distortion of a lot of the things that he said that’s led to this, you know, the fine people hoax, the Russian gate hoax.
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02:48:34
There’s so many different the suckers and losers hoax. There’s always different things that people attribute to him to try to make him way worse than he really is instead of just, like, addressing the things you don’t like about him that are real. You know? And so it’s this distortion and we know there’s a distortion and that’s why when he sits here and he talks for 3 hours, people are so interested.
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02:48:55
Mhmm.
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02:48:56
It’s not just because what he says is interesting. It’s because we know you’ve been bullshitting. We know that you’ve used the legal system to try to arrest this guy. You’ve you’ve done some Banana Republic shit where you’re trying to weaponize the legal system to go after your political opponents. We know that.
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02:49:13
So when you get a chance to see that guy talk, you’re like, oh, so this is who he is. And, again, he’s being charming. He knows millions of people are listening. He’s talking to me. I’ve met him before. We have a mutual good friend in Dana White.
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02:49:26
He knows I’m not gonna be an asshole. So he’s comfortable, but you get a chance to see, well, he is that guy. Part of him is that guy. Like, it’s not an act. That’s who he is. He is that guy. He’s not a terrible person. It’s just you may or may not agree with his approach.
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02:49:41
You may or may not agree with how he runs his business and how he wants to do things.
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02:49:46
But if you keep using the word fascist against him, you ratchet up the the pressure, you ratchet up the tension. So people are looking at him going, well, this guy is a fascist. He he he’s Tyler. Therefore, we need to do everything in our power to stop Hitler coming to power because if if they did that in the 19 thirties, we wouldn’t have World War 2, 6,000,000 Jews wouldn’t be exterminated.
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02:50:09
Whoopi Goldberg was just saying he’s gonna separate interracial couples.
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02:50:12
What? Oh, god.
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02:50:13
See if
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02:50:14
you can find that. So you can find that.
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02:50:15
Really?
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02:50:15
Yeah. I couldn’t even watch it. I saw the clip and I was like, I can’t even watch this. I’ll lose my marbles. This is so crazy.
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02:50:22
Yeah.
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02:50:22
But it’s ai put you in camps. I’ve heard that too. They’re gonna put people in camps. They’re gonna put gay people in camps too. Ai? He was president for 4 years. None of these things happened. He was already president. This is part of the problem with saying this. If he wasn’t president before and he was saying outrageous things ai, what if this guy gets in power? But he was president, and he was president for 4 years.
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02:50:43
And it’s interesting from people who keep talking about hate, how much of that they arya projecting onto him. Well, let’s have a look at this. It’s gonna sound so crazy.
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02:50:54
We had some volume.
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02:50:56
Different way than to come after people because of their heritage, which they are born into. It is not a choice. You are who you are. Right. And here, you’re gonna make all kind of fun. People said no more. We’re tired of that. That’s why people are saying, right, that you heard the women ai, listen.
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02:51:13
What we heard at that rally should be enough to shake folks away because he’s talking about you. All of you. All of you. He’s talking about you. It’s us.
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02:51:26
He’s not gonna be he’s not gonna, you know, say, oh, you were the white guy. I’m gonna keep you from being deport no. He’s gonna deport you and put the white guy with someone else. The man is out there. What?
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02:51:40
Yeah. That’s a large jump from what he’s ever said. That’s that’s a crazy thing to say.
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02:51:46
That’s why I thought you were very wise to bring the view up as the first thing you talked to to him about. Right? Because you’re just going, this is how it used to be. And I remember the exact ai.
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02:51:55
9 years ago.
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02:51:56
I remember
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02:51:59
Wasn’t that long ago? Our friend, Donald Ram, they all come and hug him and kiss him. Everybody loves you. They were talking about how they love him.
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02:52:07
Yeah, man.
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02:52:08
And the audience was cheering. He was getting cheered on The View. It is so wild to watch. We didn’t play it for him because we didn’t wanna give anybody any excuse to give us a copyright strike because I wanted to play it. I wanted to start the show off with him listening to him being on The View and go, what is this like?
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02:52:26
Because, like, there’s no one ever that’s had the machine turn on them. Whether you agree with him or not agree, you must admit, like, the Steele dossier, all the crazy stuff they put out on him, they’ve turned this machine on him in this way you’ve never seen before. And this is how they used to look at him just 9 years ago.
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02:52:43
You know? It was longer than that. It was 2011.
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02:52:45
Oh, was it?
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02:52:46
20 When
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02:52:46
he was running for president?
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02:52:47
No. He wasn’t running for president then.
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02:52:49
Oh, he’s talking about running for president?
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Meh it then, but I don’t
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Well, he went on The View multiple times. How many times did he go on?
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He’s been on ai I was trying to get last
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time he went on?
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That could have been his last appearance, I think. I
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don’t know.
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Well, that makes sense. Right? Because Barbara Walters, when did she stop being on it?
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Yeah. She was on that appearance.
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And she looked pretty young back then. So 2011. So, okay, 13 years ago. Still nuts. Still nuts.
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It’s not that long ago.
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Not that long ago.
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And for that complete about turn to go from the greatest guy who ever wants to be the president to the devil incarnate in 13 years. People. For the from the same people.
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Joy Behar hugging him. Whoopi Goldberg hugging him. All of them hugging him.
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That’s quite a transformation.
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Well, it’s like they got their marching orders.
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Meh.
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He did. He was in the 2012 race.
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Boughs out of the 2012 US president. So that was when he was thinking about doing it in 2012? Yes. Oh, remember remember at the White House press correspondence dinner when Obama roasted him?
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Yeah. And
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he said, but I’m
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one thing that you’ll never be. President of the United States. And meh was ai, alright, motherfucker.
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He was like, what
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the wrong dude? So there’s there’s fucking dudes out there that are like the boogeyman. They just will keep coming.
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Well, that’s part of his appeal, man. It’s like when he got shah, and he Yeah. He’s badass. Well, you you made this a Ai fight. Fight ai. And, you know, at at this rally, there was this, point when he was just he it it really struck home for me why people like him. It was ai, he was talking about Ai, and somebody had said, put our report that if America had a war with China, America would lose.
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And he was like, first of all, why would you put out that report? And secondly, we would kick their ass. And you kinda go, if you’re an Meh, and you want your country to be great, you sana it to be successful, left or right, whatever your position is, Do you want to be on the side of the people who think America’s future is behind it?
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Right. Or do you wanna be on the side of the people who think, yeah, we’re gonna kick ass. We’re gonna succeed. We’re gonna make money. We’re gonna be successful.
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And there’s also, like, looking at some of his foreign policy decisions and whether or not he was correct. One of them was the embargoes on Iran. That that seemed to have freed up a whole lot of money when the Biden administration let the those funds free, and then October 7th happens shortly thereafter.
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And when you know that they fund these various terrorist organizations, this is something Iran’s done. This is not a big stretch to think that one of the reasons why these things are happening was because people went a different way than Donald Trump did when he was in office.
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Mhmm.
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And a
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lot of people feel like that. They’re, like, logical, reasonable, left wing people even.
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Yeah. It’s because it’s true. Yeah. It’s true. If you give the Iranians a shit ton of money, and also if they don’t fear repercussions. Right. You put those two things together, but is it a surprise?
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No. Do do you think part of the problem is we think everyone just thinks like us? So we’re like, you know what? If we give more money to to the Ayatollah Sure. You know what he’s gonna do? Yeah. Alright. You know, he he’s a bit nuts, but he’s gonna put money into social programs.
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The average Iranian
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Did you ever see that?
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To be, you’re happier, healthier, wealthier.
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Did you ever see that interview where this woman was asking the Taliban whether or not they’re gonna let women run for office now? Yeah. Ai just burst out laughing. Laughing in her face. Like, what are you talking about? You don’t understand this place at all.
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Yeah. It’s called mirror image bias. Actually, a lot of foreign intel guys, they get trained for years to not think that everyone is like them. Because they’re absolutely not. The the the people in charge of Iran, they they want to wage jihad against America
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Right.
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And Israel. Right. What do jihadis do when they have money and opportunity?
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Yeah. They go to jihad. Yeah. They start going.
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It’s not complicated.
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It’s not complicated. Right. And Trump was aware of that.
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Yeah.
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You know? It’s, some of the decisions that he made were better decisions. That’s that’s objectively true.
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And now Israel is having to deal with these terrorist groups that are armed and funded to the teeth.
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Yeah. And then we’re in this place where we’re arguing about jokes. It’s weird. Right?
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Yeah. It is. Fucking weird. Fucking weird.
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Because It’s easier to argue about jokes than it is to talk about the Middle East and be actually honest about it and go, what what Israel is facing is an existential fight for survival, and Israel is is is causing you know, there there are war crimes happening, whatever, but you’re going you can’t just let terrorist groups attack a country. You can’t let Hezbollah ram October 8th fire rockets into northern Israel. But, Petri, that can’t be allowed to continue. Right.
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It’s either gonna escalate or you’re gonna need to deescalate because of one thing with jihadists is, you know, they’re committed. Mhmm. You know, they they believe what they yeah. They’re they’re committed, and they are going to they believe in a global Islamic caliphate and they want to wipe Israel off the map and then they sana wipe all sovereign nations off the map sai they get a global Islamic caliphate which is why so many moderate Islamic countries ram down on these people really hard because they understand the threat from these people.
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And then there’s the reality that what Israel is doing is also horrific. Right? You you see the murdered children and women, and you you see the videos of people getting blown up with indiscriminate bombing of apartment buildings because someone underneath it is Hamas. That that that’s fucking terrifying too. So there’s no ai because no one can just by that. You watch that, you see you you how many innocent people died?
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This is fucking insane. And then there’s the argument that, well, but Hamas is using them as human shields. Like, is there there’s no other way to do this than to just bomb where you know civilians are gonna be because bad guys are there also? This is this is the crazy thing about war because in the past, I think this is a strategy that would have been employed by almost any powerful nation trying to wipe out an enemy, but we don’t like, look.
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What would he what do we we do in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We just indiscriminately killed everybody. Just dropped a nuclear bomb on an entire city. And But
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the question is, what should Israel do instead? That’s a good question.
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That’s a really
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good question.
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And this is this is the problem because I take your point. But the the issue is that Hamas have openly stated on numerous occasions that they want to maximize civilian casualties. They’re doing it deliberately. Yeah. So the question is and we’ve had pro Palestine guests on the show. We’ve had pro Israel guests on the shah.
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And we’ve asked them basically ai to get to the bottom of this. Ai, how do you do that? I get that what’s happening is terrible. It is terrible. No one would dispute that. No one who has a conscience or a would look at what’s happening in Gaza and think that’s fucking great.
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Right.
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Nobody.
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Mhmm.
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But at the same time, the question ultimately is, after October 7th, what is Israel supposed to do? What are you supposed to do when your country has been attacked from several ai by different terrorist groups all funded by Iran and sponsored in other ways, and they give them weapons?
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What are you supposed to do? Now you you say, well, they’re supposed to isn’t there another way? I’m asking that question. I haven’t heard a persuasive answer what they’re supposed to do instead.
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The problem is when you have very religious, ideologically convinced people that their their thing is also about if you die, you go to heaven. Yes. And you’re you’re you’re a martyr, and that’s a that’s a worthy goal. There’s not there’s not another religion that espouses that.
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Some of the another religion that enforces that idea in people.
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Right.
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That scares the shit out of people, and that they’re okay with people dying.
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I I would love for somebody to have an answer to this, but I just tell you, like, I as you know, I have relatives in Ukraine. Mhmm. What did they do when the war started? They turned every fucking basement into a bunker to protect civilians. That is not what Hamas are doing. Right.
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They have these tunnels. They don’t let civilians in there.
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Right.
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That’s where the terrorists hang out. Right? So what do you do? What is Israel supposed to do?
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Didn’t Erik Prince have some sort of an idea to flush out
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tunnels? Tunnels. Yeah. It’s not a bad idea.
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Why didn’t they implement that?
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I have no idea. I have no idea.
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Because that would’ve ai killed everybody, wouldn’t it? If he really could do that?
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Yeah. Probably kill hostages too.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. But they’re probably already dead.
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Or if
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not, they wanna be dead.
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Yeah.
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Must meh. Can we imagine an October 7th hostage is still alive?
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For a year, man. And this is why I’m asking the question because I just think, what would the UK do? What would America do if you had a rampaging terrorist attack across the border and missiles from the north?
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It’s a very good question. I think it’s also from the perspective of people that live in Israel versus the perspective of people that live in America where we haven’t been invaded.
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Yeah.
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You know, and the people in Israel who have mandatory military service, and they’re constantly threat. I got a buddy of mine who’s my kickboxing coach, Shuky, and he’s from Israel, and he was always, like, playing the bongo drums. I went to his house for dinner, everybody’s dancing and singing. I was, like, why are you guys so happy? Like, everybody’s so, like, joy.
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He goes, hey, meh, he goes, when you live in Israel, any day could be your last. So it’s ai, just party, have a good time.
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Mhmm. And
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they had this idea. And I think if you’re an American and you’re you don’t feel that threat, it just feels abstract, you’re not gonna understand the mentality of someone who lives in a place that’s surrounded by people who hate them.
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Yeah. Yeah. And we know we had Nick Freitas. Do you know Nick Nick Freitas? No. He’s a Green Beret, former Green Beret. He has a a YouTube channel, I think, as well. And we asked him about this, you know, you were you you you went he served in Iraq, I think.
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Mhmm.
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For 2 tours. And he talked about this. We’ve we’ve got this interview coming out, and he’s like, there is no there is no way to deal with terrorists who are hiding behind civilians
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Right.
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Other than by going in and dealing with it. There’s no other way. I wish there was. I I I I that I’m genuinely asking the question, what is the other way?
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Right.
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And if it is, Israel should use it.
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Right.
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But if there isn’t, what are they supposed
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to do? It’s also a crazy subject in America. Right? Because there’s people on the left that do not wanna support Israel and they think that Palestine is, you know, they that Palestine should be free and they they’ll say from the river to the sea and they chance it out and don’t exactly even know what they’re saying.
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Mhmm. Or which means ai an annihilation of Israel From the river to sea, that’s literally what that means. But then they they’re now this sort of there’s, like, this anti Semitic thing that’s on the left, which didn’t exist before. It’s just ai the anti Israel, anti Semitic thing that you never heard before
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Mhmm.
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From the left. Yeah. Ai the left was always like super pro Israel.
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But it makes sense, doesn’t it? Because if you’ve had a decade of wokeness, the point of wokeness is the people who are successful, the people who have the upper hand
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Mhmm.
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They’re the bad guys.
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Right. Always. Colonizers.
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Right. Sai Israel is the bad guy by default. Right. And ai the way, that’s doesn’t mean that, you know, they occupy the the situation in Gaza hasn’t, has been perfect. Nobody would argue that. Right? But just because a country is succeeding in its military campaign, doesn’t mean they’re the bad guys. Right. The problem with Jews though is they’re too successful.
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The Jews are too successful. It. They right? That’s the problem with Jews. They’re too successful.
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The this tiny minority of people who’ve been oppressed throughout history, and yet they’re still succeeding. They’re making money. They’re successful. The country they’ve built is more powerful than all its neighbors. It’s not a good look if you’re woke. How are these fuckers? That’s the argument.
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Sai what’s the anti semitism on the left that you’re talking about, it’s the logical conclusion of wokeness, which is why I could never understand why Jews went along with wokeness massively. Massively. Like, Jews vote, like, 60, 70, 75 percent for the Democrat party in this country. But that was before October 7th.
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I think that’s, you know, talking to a lot of people. We just had Bill Ackman on the show. That’s changed people’s minds quite a bit. Mhmm. I don’t I’m not saying he was woke before that, but you know what I mean.
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Yeah. And it’s also as well, you talk about the left, but the left in the UK has always had a problem with antisemitism, Joe.
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Really?
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Yes. There’s always been a faction of the left that has looked at Jews and seen financiers, business people, rich people. They control the, you know, the means of production. They’re the ones keeping the ordinary man on the street down. We need to get rid of these financiers, the oligarchs, the bankers, and then we’ll be able to liberate people.
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And there’s that’s all there’s always been that faction on the UK left that well, that’s what we need to do. And when Jeremy Corbyn was in power or wasn’t in power, was leader of the Labour Party I
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thought I
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missed a meeting.
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So who? There was but Jewish MPs, Labour MPs, who literally walked out of the party because they were saying that he was not tackling and dealing with antisemitism, and
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that
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this was allowed to run rampant within the Labour Party.
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Interesting. You
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know, Thomas Sowell was once ai, what do Jews need to do to stop antisemitism? And he paused for a second and went,
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fail. That guy is so wise.
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Yeah. Oh, man.
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He’s incredible. A fascinating person. And what kind of intellectual courage to step out on those limbs that he does and say these logical things that are against the it’s, you know, heretic.
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Yeah. I’m such a such a great admirer of his. He’s so such an interesting writer. He’s got so many counterintuitive ideas. Yeah. Super informative.
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He’s great in interviews too. Yeah. What if he still does them?
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He’s very he I think he’s very old now. Yeah. So he I think he we we tried to get him when we nearly had a phone interview with him, but it didn’t quite happen. But I’d still love to make that happen. Yeah. Yeah. But he he is getting old, unfortunately. Yeah.
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I’ve seen
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some of the
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Noam Chomsky interviews now. You’re like, yo, Stop doing those.
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I mean, when he came out, I mean, he was hard line on the vaccine.
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Yeah. Like, have you done any research at all? Yeah. He was yeah. Hard but I think that’s an old person thing.
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Yeah.
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I think old peer people get really scared of diseases.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And they’ve got every right to be scared of diseases because they’re far more vulnerable to them.
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Exactly. So they they’re thinking of something that can kill you, whereas the young people are thinking, oh, it’s gonna be inconvenient.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And also, you know much better than either of us, every great champion has to retire at some point. Right?
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Yes. Yeah. You have to your your shit doesn’t work right anymore, including your brain. It’s gonna come a point in time where you’re you’re not thinking well, you’re not very logical, and you’re not objective.
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But the thing that made you a champion is the thing that’s gonna make you not wanna retire.
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Yep. That’s what ai for sure. That’s what they that’s why they fight way past their ai, and it gets really sad. Yeah. They never wanna let it go.
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Yeah.
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You know? Because why would you? Why would you wanna let it go?
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Right. Especially if that’s what you do. Imagine if what you do relies on a very brief window of, like, power. Yeah. Like, that you have physically where your hormones are firing. You don’t have that much time.
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Yeah.
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And then when it slips away, you still feel like you’re you, but you just you can’t move.
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I remember when, watching Tyson Fury. I can’t remember who he fought. He fought in Bryden. And we Conant and I were talking about it because we were going, oh, is he gonna retire? He said he’s gonna ai. And then he entered the stadium on a gold throne carried by people. I’m like, bro, that he ain’t gonna fucking retire anytime soon, man.
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He’s fighting Usyk again. Yeah. Oh, man. That’s a tough fight.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. That Usyk guy is talented. He’s so talented. He’s so small for a heavyweight too. Meh just he’s nonstop movement and his footwork and everything, it’s so different than anybody else. Joshua didn’t know what to do with him. He’s like, where is this guy gonna be when I’m throwing punches? He was moving all over the place. Yeah. It’s it’s So different.
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It’s so different. I ai well, I remember when I was watching the Joshua Usyk fight, it made me realize the importance of technique Mhmm. Because Joshua is a real physical specimen.
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And has great technique too.
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Yeah. But he doesn’t have that elite level of technique that Usyk had, and you could see the combinations of way he was throwing punches. He just didn’t have an answer to it because he’s never been exposed to that level of technique.
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Well, you know what it is? He’s a heavyweight, and the heavyweights were never really that good in terms of that kind of technique. It’s ai you need it at, like, middleweight and light heavyweight because everyone’s super talented and technical. When you get up to the heavyweight division, guys tend it tends to be like a lower bar, you know.
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And so when you have an elite athlete like Joshua who’s like fast and knockout power, he can excel without having the kind of technique that ai got, like, Lomachenko and Usyk were trained by the same guy. They were both trained by Lomachenko’s father. Mhmm. So they both have extreme technique. And then you have Bivol and, Bitterbeef that just fought. Same thing.
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Both ai super Soviet style boxing and you’ll you’ll woah, ai, this is technique, ai, really really high level technique. But it’s rare that someone with that kind of technique gets into the heavyweight division.
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And that’s why Fury is just a magnificent fighter because we’re, Fury is from a gypsy background, and those boys are taught to fight at the age of 3, 4 years old, and it’s in their culture, they all ai, they all trained as boxers, and telling you as someone who has broken up fights with gypsy kids when I used to teach them they are taught never to back down you never back down you always go for it until the very end Ai Sai remember when I was watching, the Fury, the the wilder fight, and I remember someone saying to me, like, he’s knocked down. He ain’t getting up. I’m like, mate, trust me. He’s gonna get up. Yeah.
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He’s gonna get up. Amazing.
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Yeah. And then it but that’s why Fury is a force of nature. It’s that technique he has Yep. Which has been instilled in him from basically the moment he could walk.
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Technique and huge. And if you watch the Usyk fight, he was touching Usyk up in the beginning of the fight. Yeah. I mean, that reach and that jab, the accuracy that he has, he was doing really well in that fight until he started to slow down a little bit, and Usyk ai up just catching
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him. Yeah.
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03:10:59
Bro, it’s an exciting moment in UFC as well. The one that would just happen. Chimaev? Fuck me.
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03:11:04
Bro, he’s terrifying. He’s he does it to everybody. Everybody he gets a hold of, he just ragdolls. Even, like, really elite wrestlers. It’s very extraordinary. His talent is undeniable. And Robert Whittaker, like, seeing him breaking Robert Whittaker’s jaw just by squeezing across his face.
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Apparently, Robert Whittaker had a broken jaw when he was a ai, and he had it worked on but it was it’s always been vulnerable. Like, his front teeth have been pushed in before. In the dracus ai, he had a problem with it as well apparently. But this was different because this was ai Chimaev got the blade of his forearm across the jaw and it was ai just crushing those teeth and it goes into his you saw the photo?
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Yeah. What it
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looked like?
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Yeah, man. Do you think if that doesn’t happen, Whittaker stands up?
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Who knows? I mean, Chimaev was smothering him. Whittaker looked exhausted.
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It was very early in the fight too.
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Yep. 1st round. I mean, it’s just the amount of technique that Khamzat has and the intensity of his attack is ai anybody else. He’s so talented. He’s so good at grappling, and his stand up is fucking dangerous too. And I think he’s way better at 185. I really do. I think at 170, he was killing himself to make that weight.
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Mhmm. And
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now they see him at 185. I think he he has more energy. He’s just, and he’s more than big enough for those guys. He’s huge. He’s a big guy. He’s good, man. He’s really fucking good. But Ilya Dapoja,
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that was
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the most shocking.
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It says that Robert only landed 2 strikes.
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Wow. That’s crazy. I don’t even know what he hit him with. Yeah. Might ai hit him with a leg kick. I don’t remember. I don’t remember. I just remember Khamzat shooting. Two leg kicks. Yeah. There it is. Two leg kicks.
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So Khamzat just shot in on him and just started beating the fuck out of him. I mean, it was so relentless and overwhelming. And when Robert got up once, Khamzat dove on him again and had him down again in a saloni. So it’s demoralizing. Yeah.
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03:12:55
Yeah. Reminded me of Khabib as well, where, like, you get up, you get straight back down, and then you just run out of energy. Right?
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03:13:00
Maybe even more intense, because maybe even more dominant, you know. Like, to do that to Whitaker, like shah, a guy who’s a world champion. Like, even the Connor fight, it took a while before he overwhelmed him, you know. It took a while before he was just beating Conor’s ass.
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03:13:16
Like, the beginning of the fight is more competitive. Like, this was just a overwhelming victory. He just Khamzat just charged in, dove in, got him down, and mauled him. Mauled him until he broke his face.
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03:13:30
Do you think it’s different with Duplissee if because he can wrestle.
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03:13:34
He’s a gig of wrestle. He’s got very good jujitsu. He hits fucking hard, and he’s a big durable dude. Mhmm.
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03:13:40
But I
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don’t know if he’s gonna be able to wrestle with that guy. Like, I don’t know, man. The Khamzat skill is so high level, it makes me wonder. It’s there’s some ai, like, you see it in jiu jitsu. There’s some guys that look really good until they fight somebody who’s really, really good.
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03:13:54
Mhmm. And
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03:13:55
then they get manhandled. You know? It’s ai everybody looks good until they faced Gordon Ryan. Like, Gordon Ryan can do that to anybody. Like, is Khamzat at that level? Well, it kind of appears that he is. Mhmm. It appears that he’s, in terms of, like, the grappling that he possesses seems magnitudes greater than anybody else in his division.
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03:14:12
But it also it’s that skill thing that we talk about. When you you you can have athleticism, you can have strength, but when you come up against someone whose skill is far superior to yours, eventually, you’re gonna burn out because there’s only a fine amount sai fine amount of strength and and power that you have got.
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03:14:30
And eventually, if you’re fighting somebody who can match you physically, but also has the skill on top of ai, I mean, you’re kinda done really, unless you get lucky with a punch.
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03:14:39
I guess counterargument might be, and you’ll correct me, Joe. Gilbert Burns’ fight, it it would I mean, it it he won, but he was close. It was
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03:14:47
very close. I think it’s at 170. I don’t think he’s the same guy at 170. I also think Gilbert is tough as fuck. And at that point in time, Gilbert had he challenged Usman for the title and lost, but then came back and was one of the best 170 pounders in the world. It was a big step up in competition
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03:15:07
that I don’t think Khamzat had faced before.
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03:15:07
Mhmm. And Gilbert is a world champion in jujitsu. He’s a very, very, very good grappler, so there’s a difference there. When you get Gilbert to the ground, it’s not that simple. Like, you’re you’re fighting off arya bars and triangles and guillotines, and he’s back up to his feet.
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03:15:20
There was a lot of wild scrambles. It was just you know, Gilbert’s a little older now, but back then he was really in his prime or close to it, and he’s just that fucking good. That’s why that fight was so close. It’s just Gilbert, especially in that fight, he was that good. I mean, it was a war.
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03:15:35
He dropped Chimaev, he cracked him with the right hand. But Chimaev, even when he got dropped, he dove in and took him down. Like, he’s fucking good, man. He’s good. What he did to Whitaker was just nobody thought that was gonna happen. That was crazy.
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03:15:48
That was scary. Yeah. That was scary.
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03:15:50
And what Ilya did to Max is
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03:15:52
even scarier too. Oh. Wow. Because I Sai thought I Ai saw Max as being totally under in control of that entire fight. I was like he’s got it tactic tactically, he’s got him. He’s gonna win this. And then it just
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03:16:03
sai that. I wouldn’t have said that. Oh, it said there’s always danger with De Porre. Yeah. He’s fucking so dangerous. When he hits you, it’s so it’s different than anybody, especially with his hands. He’s just fucking boxing is so high level. And there’s shots that he was landing that would thud, and you could see it in Max’s face. He caught him with a bunch of good shots before that.
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03:16:22
But Max was landing a lot of stuff too, but he was forced into these exchanges. When you fought you’re forced in these exchanges, Ilya has superior technique. His his punches come straight down the pipe. His hooks are perfect. His distance management is perfect.
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03:16:36
He’s super aggressive, and the consequences of getting him hit by him are so grave. Mhmm. That left hook he caught Max with? Oh my goodness. Oh.
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03:16:45
Just spun his head around.
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03:16:47
And you you rarely see I mean, in in the UFC, you you see obviously people who are, you know, multi disciplined.
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03:16:53
Mhmm.
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03:16:53
But it’s rare that you see someone who’s so pure with the way they hit. Mhmm. I was watching him go. This guy looks like a boxer the way that he hits.
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03:17:00
But he’s that way with everything. He’s that way with his grappling. He’s out with with his submissions. He’s just really, really fucking good. And he’s the new guard. Right? Like every generation comes up with a new guy who’s a like a new high watermark of technique.
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03:17:15
Yeah.
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03:17:16
That’s where Ilya is.
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03:17:17
So who’s gonna challenge him now, do
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03:17:18
you think? Volkanovski.
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03:17:20
Yeah.
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03:17:20
They’re gonna have a rematch. I think Volkanovski taking that fight 3 months after getting head kicked into a, you know, a a KO. That’s ai crazy to do. 3 or 4 months later, he’s fighting Ilya Toporia, the most dangerous puncher he’s ever faced. I think that was crazy. And I think now he’s had a long time to recover, but it’s always gonna be in his head that that guy just knocked me the fuck out.
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03:17:41
You
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03:17:41
know? And, look, that’s the ai of thing that drives a guy like Volkanovski, because he’s such a warrior. Like, he doesn’t shy away from the most difficult challenges. Because if he did, he could have taken some fights with some up and coming contenders. He could have sai, there’s probably someone who wants to challenge him.
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03:17:56
There’s some guy he thinks he could definitely beat. Let me just get this fight under my belt and then, you know, but he’s no. He wants to go right back in there and fight for
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03:18:04
the title again.
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03:18:04
And am I right in thinking that it’s power versus speak? Because Volkanovski is so fast, so quick.
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03:18:12
Ilya is fast too, man.
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03:18:13
Yeah.
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03:18:13
There’s no difference in speak. Really? No. I don’t think so. Oh, wow.
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03:18:17
I
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03:18:17
don’t think there’s there’s a little bit of difference when you’re loading up. You’re not gonna hit as fast. You know, if you’re just trying to, like, touch someone, you could touch them much faster. But Ily is fast as fuck. He’s not slow at all. There’s no he doesn’t have any disadvantages. He doesn’t have any weaknesses, man. That’s the thing that’s why I say he’s the new high watermark.
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03:18:35
There’s people that are thinking maybe he’s the best pound for pound fighter alive. Like, there’s a lot of discussion about that online. It’s little premature, especially when Jon Jones is still out there and there’s other elite guys that are still out there. But Islam Makhachev’s another one.
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03:18:50
You know, it’s sai it’s a real argument that he’s the best pound for pound guy alive, but it’s fucking close. Ilya is he might be the best.
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03:18:57
And if you think about Volkanovski, a fire is never the same after they’ve been knocked out, particularly a blow light ai
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03:19:02
in a couple of months’ ai, in 4 4 months’ time.
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03:19:06
So there’s already an injury there. There’s already a propensity to get not to to get knocked out. There’s a weakness. And then you’re going up against a fighter with that power. You know, or you think all he’s gonna need to do is just connect, and he ai be sparco again.
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03:19:19
Who knows? I mean, I don’t know what kind of strategy Volkanovski will employ. I don’t know if they’ll try to do something different. City Kickboxing, the place that he trains at, it’s very, very, very high level, and those guys always have excellent game plans. So maybe there’s something they saw that Volkanovski couldn’t capitalize on because he was still dealing with the effects of the KO loss to Makhachev, which, you know, you get KO’d like that, a bad one.
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03:19:41
That was a high kick, shin to the head. Those stay with you for a long time. You might not be the same person, so he might have fought still under the effects of that KO. So now he gets knocked out again by Ilya. Now he’s had a long time to rest, and that’s what you really need if you’ve been knocked out like that. You need treatments.
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03:20:00
There’s ai concussion protocols, a bunch of different things that people can do to help their brain health. But, like, when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez, Freddie Roach didn’t let him fight for a year. So now you gotta do anything for 1 year, not nothing. Ai don’t want you doing anything. You train. That’s it. Work out. Hit the bag.
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03:20:18
You’re not no fights
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03:20:19
for a year.
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03:20:20
I know you’ve been sorry. Go ahead.
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03:20:21
Go. I was just gonna sai, it’s a it’s a really interesting moment because UFC is very much in the ascendency when compared to boxing. Yeah. But you’ve looked at all this Saudi money that is being pumped into boxing now.
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03:20:33
Mhmm.
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03:20:33
And, you know, because previously, you know, the the thing that we’re in boxing as we all know is promoters not, you know, teams not wanting to put their great fighter against their other great fighter because they want to protect their asset. Yep. I’m thinking now, you look at kind of the Saudis, they’re just gonna flood they’re flooding it with money.
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03:20:50
Oh, yeah.
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03:20:51
So are we actually gonna see interesting fights again? Because at the moment, you’re starting to see it happen more and more in the heavyweight division.
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03:20:59
Yeah. You’re gonna see it. The the Saudis are doing a a great service in that regard, like, giving people fights they sana see.
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03:21:05
Because there’s a lot of interesting fights that can be made.
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03:21:05
If you can get the the interesting ai that can be made. If you can get the the Benavides versus Canelo, for instance, like, that is the fight that everybody
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03:21:10
wants to see at 168.
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03:21:10
That’s a fascinating fight. Benavides at 168 is a monster. Mhmm. And Canelo is the king. So it’s, like, that
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03:21:17
would be an
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03:21:17
amazing fight. If they could get them to do that, that’ll be awesome. They might fight at 175. Who knows? But if they can do that, if the Saudis can come up with enough money and the other one is Terence Crawford. Terence Crawford versus Canelo. That’s fucking interesting. That’s really interesting. If they can pay them enough money to get them to do it.
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03:21:38
Because if they can pay enough money, then what you have is a real competitor to the UFC. Because at the moment, I and I I Ai like watching UFC, but I’m I’m a boxing guy. I love it. That’s how I was raised. But we always have an argument about it, but it’s undeniable that UFC is more entertaining because they’re the fights that you sana sai.
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03:21:56
But it’s not just that. This is what I was gonna ask you, Jay. It’s not just about the headline fight. The difference between the UFC and boxing is if you’re watching UFC, you’re gonna see 5 great fights
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03:22:07
Right.
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03:22:07
Minimum
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03:22:08
Right.
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03:22:09
On a card. Right. With boxing, no one watches the undercard.
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03:22:12
Well,
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03:22:12
the Sai is doing a much better job of that. Riad season has done a fantastic job of putting compelling undercard ai. Mhmm. And that is also because they’re throwing that money around. Mhmm. You know, like the Bivol, better better be a fight. That was the Riad season put that on.
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03:22:27
That was a fight that a lot of people didn’t know if it was ever gonna happen because so both guys arya undefeated, Both guys are, like, world champions. Like, you can make a lot of money just beating up other guys. You don’t have to lose your o, and you don’t have to have these 2 guys go to war like this.
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03:22:42
Mhmm. And all of a sudden, it’s made boxing interesting. Yep. Because lots of people are talking about sports washing, and obviously that’s a different conversation. But ai now, I’m seeing fights, and I’m like, I sana watch this fight.
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03:22:52
Yes. Yes. It is. It’s fun. It’s a fun time to be a sports fan. You know? It’s, I mean, probably, like, one of the greatest moments ever for combat sports, like, right now.
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03:23:04
Feels like it.
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03:23:04
Yeah.
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03:23:05
It has to be with the UFC because the UFC has ai redefined what combat sports are, and it’s the greatest time ever for the UFC. And then at the same time, boxing is still thriving. Mhmm.
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03:23:14
Yeah. And it and it’s it’s becoming exciting because you’re seeing great ai. And it to for people like us who grew up in, like, the and saw the great fighters of the eighties and the nineties, all of a bryden, we see this happening again, and we’re just ai, ah, actually, I remember why I fell in love with this sport.
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03:23:31
How about Anthony Joshua and Dubois? Dubois is coming into his own, man. That’s what that is. He he’s only, like, 27. Right?
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03:23:38
Yep.
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03:23:39
Yeah. He’s he’s coming into so that ai fucking scary. He’s dangerous.
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03:23:44
And you know the interesting thing was is that, in at least the press in the UK, they didn’t give him a hope. Everybody was talking about, you know, like, when Joshua gets Dubois out of the way Right. Then we can move on to the next fight, and this is a fight that we wanna see.
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03:23:57
It seems like Joshua believed that going into that fight. It seems like he believed that he was just gonna dominate him.
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03:24:03
Yeah. And he just got ruthlessly exposed. The power of Dubois with I remember Ai bought into it. I was like, okay. So I’ll watch it, but, you know, this is going to be a stepping stone match. It wasn’t a stepping stone match.
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03:24:15
Aggression too, man. He was so aggressive. He was just in the pocket constantly just forcing Joshua to go to war. It was wild.
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03:24:23
Yeah. And you it rapidly became apparent that Joshua couldn’t match him. He just couldn’t go to war with him. And at the end, this was this showed what the fight was like. Everybody was like, look, Joe to Joshua, I think you’re done. And nobody pro pro pro
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03:24:36
predicted that. Ai after he knocks out Francis Ngannou sana was ai, everyone’s like, you’re back. Yeah. You know? I mean, he flattened Francis Ngannou sana everyone’s like, oh, Joshua’s back. Look how good he looked. Yeah. Ruthless fucking game, man.
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03:24:48
You mentioned in Ai, and I’m so gutted. I just heard Dana White say that that fight with Jon Jones is never gonna happen. It’s so I’m so gutted about that, man.
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03:24:56
Yeah. I’m a stay out of that one. I was fighting. I love Francis. I love Dana. I don’t get it. I don’t know what happened between those 2. They apparently have some sort of a personal thing with each other. Dana says he’s not a good guy. Everything I’ve ever every interaction I’ve ever had with him, he’s a great guy. I really love talking to him. I’ve had him on the podcast a couple of times.
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03:25:16
His story about being a child working in a sand mine is crazy. His story about making his way from Cameroon all the way to the coast and then getting sent back to the Sahara Desert ai 6 times. So a crazy story. You know, being homeless in France and walking into a gym and then all of a sudden becoming the UFC heavyweight champion of the world. It’s nuts.
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03:25:40
It’s a crazy it’s a literal story out of a movie. You know, I don’t know what their beef is.
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03:25:48
No. I don’t sana get involved in any beef. I’m just saying that’s a great fight
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03:25:51
for the fight. Yeah. I wish you fought John Jones. Yeah. But I’m interested in John Jones versus Stipe.
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03:25:56
Yeah.
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03:25:56
I’m very especially if Stipe is healthy. I’m very interested in that.
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03:25:59
Can I I in no way wish to dish be disrespectful, but I just a layman perspective? Mhmm. A lot of people I have heard saying Stipe is too old now.
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03:26:08
We don’t know. We haven’t he hasn’t fought since he got knocked out by Francis, and Francis looked fucking unbelievable in that fight. He was patient and calculated, and his power is just so extraordinary. If he could just catches you a couple of times, you’re fucked. I mean, Francis hits so hard.
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03:26:24
And so him knocking out Stipe was not as much as, like, Stipe doesn’t have it anymore, was that Francis is that good, that big, that scary, a natural 265 pound knockout machine.
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03:26:37
Yeah. But Jon Jones, man. Come on.
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03:26:38
Yeah. Jon Jones is the ai fight IQ of all time next to Mighty Mouse. Like, fuck, man. He’s he finds a way to win, you know, and he’s an unbelievable grappler. That’s why that would be such a good fight. His super high fight IQ, use of distance better than anybody, and then this ability to know how to win and can he win versus that guy?
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03:27:00
Because if you get clipped once
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03:27:02
Mhmm.
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03:27:02
Just once, what he did to Cain Velasquez just ai, cut him with an uppercut, you see Cain’s just ai go out, like Cain can take a shah, man. That guy’s his power’s different. It’s just extraordinary.
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03:27:15
But you you I think you hit the nail on the head. He knows how to win, and you see it with all great athletes
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03:27:21
Yep.
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03:27:21
They and teams that even if they’re not doing well, even they’re not ai well, if not playing well, they have that extra gear that they can go into. And then suddenly you go, how did how did he do that? Mhmm. How did they do that? Are they on the ropes?
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03:27:31
Makes people different and may
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03:27:31
I mean, and it probably drives you crazy. You know,
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03:27:34
they say Michael Jordan was out of his fucking mind when he was at his best, it’s it’s of course. It’s just
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03:27:43
But, you know, John’s has looked, you know, no I wouldn’t say beatable, but there are a couple of guys that pushed him with 2 or 3. It’s Ai
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03:27:50
was playing with his food. It’s mostly John was bored. He was so dominant that he would not train, you know, and he fought Alexander Gustafsson. They said he barely trained at all and still beat him in the stretch, and then the rematch wanted to prove a point.
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03:28:03
So he
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03:28:04
trained really hard and beat the shit out of Gustafsson. You know? With John, it’s a lot of it is he’s meh better than everybody else. Like, when he’s really threatened, like, with Cormier, then you see how good he really is. Like, when he knocked out Cormier with that head kick, and that’s when you see how good he is, when he’s when he’s pushed. Yeah.
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03:28:20
When you see Jon Jones with a real challenge in front of him. And hopefully, that’s what the Jon Jones will see with Stipe.
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03:28:26
Yeah. Let’s hope Stipe pushes him.
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03:28:28
Listen, gentlemen. It’s always a pleasure. We just did, like, forever.
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03:28:32
5 o’clock here. It’s a long ass podcast.
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03:28:35
But, always pleasure talking to you guys, man. Always a lot of fun. Appreciate you.
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03:28:39
Appreciate you. Thank you.
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03:28:40
Tell everybody how to see your show.
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03:28:42
We’re on YouTube, Trigonometry. We both have a Substack now as well. So check those out too.
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03:28:47
Look at you. Fancy.
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03:28:48
Fancy. Fancy journalists.
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03:28:53
Ai. Thank Thank you.
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Appreciate it, brother. Ai. Buddy.
