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Donald Trump is currently the 2024 Presidential Candidate of the Republican Party. He previously served as America’s 45th president, and is also a businessman and media personality.
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#2219 – Donald Trump Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Joe Rogan discusses a variety of topics, reflecting on his diverse interests and how they contribute to the podcast’s success. He touches on his involvement in stand-up comedy, UFC, and other areas that fuel his conversations. A recurring theme is the authenticity and spontaneity that Rogan values, contrasting it with the rehearsed nature of political discourse and media interviews. He criticizes the format of presidential debates for limiting complex ideas to short soundbites, advocating instead for genuine conversations that reveal true personalities.
Rogan also reflects on the importance of being genuine in public life, highlighting how audiences appreciate authenticity over pre-prepared political rhetoric. He mentions how certain public figures, like his friend Theo Vonn, excel in speaking naturally and engagingly, which resonates with audiences.
The episode includes a discussion about a poorly executed interview with Anderson Cooper, emphasizing the pitfalls of over-preparation and the inability to respond naturally to questions. Rogan suggests that a more conversational approach would be more effective in understanding individuals as human beings.
While there are no specific guests mentioned in the provided transcript, the conversation seems to revolve around Rogan’s personal experiences and insights. The overall message of the episode is the value of authenticity and the power of unscripted, genuine dialogue in media and public interactions.
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#2219 – Donald Trump Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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The Joe Rogan experience.
Ai meh day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
Here we go. One of the things I wanted to talk to you about I wanted to play this, but we decided we shouldn’t play it because, it could get copyright ai, and we don’t want to get the episode want we don’t want anybody to have any sort of way to get it down.
But it was the episode of you when you’re on The View, and I think it was 2015 or 2,006 like, when you were running for president. Right. And you sat you got introduced as our friend, Donald Trump.
Whoopi Goldberg gives you a big hug and a kiss. Joy Behar gives you a big hug. Barbara Walters gives you a big hug. They all loved you. They were all talking about how your, you ai be you ai be conservative in your financial positions, but you’re very liberal socially. They were they were talking about you in such a favorable light.
The audience was cheering, and then you actually started winning in the polls, and then the machine started working towards you. Yeah. But it’s there’s probably no one in history that I’ve ever seen that’s been attacked the way you’ve been attacked and the way they’ve done it sai coordinated and systematically.
When you see those same people in the past very favorable to you, like Oprah, when you’re on Oprah show Very. She was encouraging you.
Last week, I did one of her last shows. I think maybe Thursday or Ai, that was a big deal being on Oprah’s show, the last one. And I was, like, one of the last shows in that last that final week. And I said, boy, we’ve come a long way since since that.
Well, you the concept, it was really ai 2 different lives. You know, I had a a very wonderful life, but I I wanted to do this. The apprentice was still going very strong. We had 12 saloni, and, we had actually, 14 saloni, 12 years over we ai a couple Well,
they canceled The Apprentice when you were running for president. Correct?
No. They had Arnold Schwarzenegger do it. I was involved in vatsal, and I want I I had enough of it, and we did great. It was doing great, but they wanted me to stay. They all came to see me. They said, we’re gonna give you a contract. They wanted to extend my contract. Mark Burnett is a great ai, then they wanted to extend the contract. Mark said you’re crazy. Don’t run. Don’t run. Nobody gives up ai time, they said.
You know, it’s one of those little things, which is probably true. Nobody gives up ai
time, though, for being president?
For for running well, for running against 20 some odd people. You know? Turned out to be 18. 18 professional people, you know, mostly politicians. They sai, who would do this? I mean, it’s a long shot. Actually, the heads of NBC came over. The, Paul Saloni, all the all the top people came over to see me ai and talk me out of it because they wanted to have me extend The Apprentice was doing well.
Ai so it was 14 seasons. It was 12 years. We had won 2 seasons where we had a double, which rarely happens. It was just a hot show. And, I said, you know, I wanna do this. What happened is, previously, like, 3 years, 4 years before that, they did a poll.
They had Mitt Romney, and somehow they put me in a poll, and I blew everybody away. I blew him away, which isn’t that hard, frankly. But I blew everybody away, and I said, that’s interesting because I never really gave it that much real thought. I thought about it, but never real thought.
But I saw these polls were very good. And so I was thinking about doing it then, but I had a contract with The Apprentice. Plus, I was building 2 big buildings at the time, and I wanted to make sure they got finished up properly. And it was one of those things. The kids were just sort of getting involved. They’re very capable kids, but they were getting involved early on. So I did that. I got them done.
I had some very good successes, and I came on. And, then I thought about it for the next one after the Romney disaster. And I ran and I won against Hillary. It was quite an experience, but it was a different life because you’re ai. The View.
I was in The View many, many ai, and, they loved me.
Just the way people would ai. I mean, even if people had criticisms about you, people that didn’t like you, there was always feuds and stuff like that. But the reality was the thing turned on you when they found out that you were gonna be president. It was very coordinated.
And some people are catching on to that now. There’s a lot of people that were long time Democrats like Elon and Bill Ackman and all all these different very intelligent people.
And they support me now. Bill Ackman supports me. He’s been very supportive too. What this
is what I wanted to ask you. What was it like when you actually because nobody really can prepare you for that. When you’re running for president, you don’t really know what it’s gonna be like when you actually get into office. What was the what did you think it was gonna be like? Office or when I decided to run?
No. When you got in. When I was in. So when
and was in the White House, essentially well, first of all, it was very surreal.
It’s very interesting. When I got shot, it wasn’t surreal. That should have been surreal. When I was laying on the ground, I knew exactly what was going on. I knew exactly where I was hit. They were saying you were hit all over the place because it was so much blood from the ear.
You would know that better than anyone. When they get the ear torn off
Bleed. Anyway, so and and I was thinking the other day, when when that happened, I really knew where I was. I knew exactly what happened. I said I wasn’t hit anywhere. With the with the presidency, it was a very surreal experience. Okay?
And what’s day 1 like? You win? Yeah. You get inaugurated? Holy shit on the president.
Yeah. That’s what happened. So I’m driving down Pennsylvania Avenue. I just built a building on Pennsylvania. You know, the hotel, the old post office it was. We called it Trump National Hotel. And we sold it to the Waldorf Astoria, and it was a wonderful thing. But I’m driving down. I’m passing the hotel.
You’ve never seen so many motorcycles, police, military. You know, it was a major thing. I got off, really, the first time I used Air Force 1. Landed. And we’re coming down, and they were it was very beaut I mean, it was incredible. And we’re going down Pennsylvania Avenue in the opposite direction.
You know, normally, you’re just to go in one way, and you all of a sudden, you’re going the other way. The street was loaded up, and I wanted to go out, and I wanted to wave to everybody, but that wasn’t smart. You know, they can a little bit dangerous. Right? I mean, when you’ve watched, like, Kennedy and some others. Right? But I really felt I I don’t know.
The love was so crazy, and so I did get out of the car for a brief you know, just for a very short walk. I thought it was very important to do. And Melania got out with her beautiful dress on that became sort of a staple. It was, people loved it and barren and were walking down the street.
But where it really got amazing, we get to the White House, and now it’s a little bit, little bit before dark. Beautiful. And we went up to the president’s quarters. They call them the presidential quarters. And I’m standing in this beautiful hallway. Ai you know, it’s funny.
Nobody ever talks about the White House as being beautiful inside. You know, you think it’s gonna be everything’s gonna be all metal doors and stuff. It’s not. It’s so beautiful. I made my money largely on luxury. The hallway is, like, 25 feet wide. The ceiling heights are, you know, every it’s so beautiful.
But I was standing there, and I said to the guys, I sana see the Lincoln bedroom. I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom. I’d heard about the Lincoln bedroom. And I was standing with my wife. I said, do you believe it? This is the Lincoln bedroom. I mean, it was like it was it was amazing.
Because it’s look, if you love the country, but here, the Lincoln bedroom and the bed, you know, he’s very tall. He was 6 foot 6, which then would be like like Barron. Right. Would be like Barron Trump. He’s ai. But 6 foot 6, he was very tall.
Then on top of that, he wore There
He wore that. Yeah. There it is. It’s a long meh, elongated bryden. And because very you know, people were shorter than you see some of the, chairs are very, very low to the ground, actually. But he had the long bryden, and they had, you had the Gettysburg address right on that right under that.
You can’t see it here, but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg address. And this is the original. And I’m looking and I just looked around. I said, do you believe this? Because I was never a first of all, even if you were a politician, but I was never a politician.
It just, I sort of just started. Right? Right. And all of a sudden, I’m standing in the White House. And it was, very, very surreal.
That room was so beautiful to meh. Much more beautiful than it actually is. You know, to me, when I looked at the bryden, and the bed, you could see it was a little bit longer. Had to be a little bit longer. He lost his sana, and they suffered the 2 of them suffered from melancholia. They didn’t call it depression. They called it melancholia, and they suffered from it.
He was a very depressed guy, and she was a very depressed woman, more so than him. And on top of that, they lost their son, whose name was Meh. Ted. And, it was, just seeing it in the little pictures, a little tiny picture. I mean, you can’t see the details there.
Little tiny everything the meh was a little tiny picture of TAD, who he lost, and it was devastating. And he was, you know, he was, look, he was in a war. He was he was and he was having a hard time because he couldn’t beat Robert tyler. Robert e Lee won, like, 13 battles in a row. And he was getting, like, a phobia, like a fighter. You know, a Mhmm. Not about the fight stuff.
But, like, I went to a UFC ai, and it was a champion who was 14 and 1 about a year ago. You would know the names. 14 and 1. And the only guy he lost to was this one guy, but the guy that he was fighting was, like, almost just an average ai. He lost numerous times, but he beat this one guy. So I said, okay.
I really don’t know who you’re talking about. I’m trying to
But about a year ago but the point is that he lost he wasn’t nearly the ai. But the one who was not nearly the fighter had bryden. He’s the only guy that beat the the champ Mhmm. Like, 5 years before. And they said, I’ll take the guy that won the other fight. And that’s what happened.
He beat him a second time.
Sometimes psychological advantage.
There’s this crazy thing. Lincoln had a a I don’t know. I’ve never read this. I heard it from people in the White House who really understand what was going on with with the whole life of the White House. But Lincoln had, the yips about, in a way, as the golfers would say. He had a phobia about Robert e Lee.
Sai Ai can’t beat Robert because Robert e Lee won many battles in a row. He was just beating the hell out of you know, they ai to get Robert e Lee to be on the North, but he said, no. I have to be with my state. You know, the state was his whole thing, and and he went to the South.
And he was, I’ve had generals tell meh, we have some great generals, the real generals, not the ones you see on television, the ones that beat Ai with me. We defeated ISIS in record time. It was supposed to take years, and we did it in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These are tough guys.
These are not woke guys. But their favorite general in terms of genius was Robert E. Lee. In terms of strategy,
Strateg strategically. He took a war that should have been over in a few days, and it was, you know, years of hell, a vicious war. And, so here I am standing there, and, again, I had never really done this before. You know, I ran. I ran a number of months before I won. I probably, I guess if you figure max it out, it would be a year, something like that. So I had never run for office. And I did well.
I mean, I I went into debates. We had 18 people, including meh, and then slowly but surely, they started to disappear. We had debates, good debates.
Everyone’s aware of all this stuff. What I wanna get to is, like, what was the experience once you got inside?
did you think it was gonna be like in terms of, like, your ability to govern? Yeah. Like, this is your first experience governing anything. You never been a governor. You never been a mayor.
Yep. Private private staff.
Business. Yeah. But now all of a bryden, you’re inside the White House.
The biggest thing was just that first moment of being in this hallowed it was really a hallowed place to me. It was Surreal. Beyond. To me, that’s that was the experience. It was a surreal experience. And then with time, that wears off. With time, it becomes, you know, your place where you stay and
I was doing a lot of I was I had 2 things that I ain’t really focused on, governing the country and, survival. Because from the moment I won, before I got to office, all of a sudden, it I mean, they came down. I mean, nobody has ever been treated that way. And and you see that. I mean, you see where in the Washington Post very early on, they said, well, now the impeachment stuff starts. And it did.
I mean, it literally started from the beginning. So I had survival and run the nation. I had a a combination. Most people don’t have the ai. They get in.
think What what did you expect though in terms of, like, once you got inside, you had to appoint all these people. Like, how many appointments did you have to make?
We have actually we have actually 10,000, appointments. Now they’re different. You know, you have big ones, and then they appoint Right. A 100 people and 200 people. But the president really is is involved with approximately 10,000 appointments. So you’ll appoint a secretary of state, and he will he or she will appoint a lot of people.
So it’s a lot. But in terms of major ones, you probably have, like, a 100, but they’re big ones. Treasury, state, military.
And how did you know who to appoint?
Well, I I didn’t. I had no experience. You have to understand. Yeah. So I was there 17 times in Washington, and I never stayed over. According to the press, which I think is probably right, over the years, I was only there 17 times. I never stayed over. So now I’m sitting there.
I’m saying, this place is gorgeous, but, you know, I don’t know anybody. It’s like you. You you know, you go to certain areas and other areas. They may be great. Washington was great. Washington’s not so great right now. They’re gonna we gotta fix it. We gotta make it better.
A very dangerous place, very badly maintained place. We’re gonna make it great. We’re gonna make it better. We’re gonna bring it back. But I wasn’t a Washington guy.
I was a New York guy. I was a New York builder, and I I built buildings in New York, and I knew that whole world. But I didn’t know the Washington world too well. And all of a bryden, you’re supposed to be appointing top people. So
What did you think it was going to be ai? Versus, like, did you have any ideas of what it was gonna be ai, and what was different?
Well, I was always involved in politics, but usually from the standpoint of of a donor. I was a donor. You know, I was a big donor. I gave money to politicians. I enjoyed politics. Democrats. Right? A both. Really. Pretty much both. I actually pictures of Ronald Reagan and me when I was very young.
A Democrat until, like, what year?
I was a Democrat. Ai could get you the exact, but the the early nineties the early nineties, I I switched over eventually. Actually, they had a reform party. I was thinking about doing that for a little while, but then fortunately, I didn’t because it’s very hard. You know, it’s a 2 party system.
And anytime you hear 3rd party I know you like RFK Jr, and so do I. He’s a fantastic guy.
I do, but I thought that being an independent was nonsense.
It doesn’t work. It doesn’t work because even if you do great, you’re not gonna get Congress. In other words Right. You need now to say, okay. Now I’ll get half of Congress. They’re never gonna vote for you. So even if you got there, which is very hard, and but and I know how you feel about Bobby, and I feel the same way, and he’s now with us.
But it it it doesn’t it’s real it’s pure and simple. It’s a 2 party system.
And, somebody I won’t mention his name, but somebody spent $250,000,000 trying to get the nomination as a reform party candidate or whatever, and they got just nowhere. You get eaten you just get eaten. The system eats you alive. Right. So, so it was it was really somebody that not only was new to Washington, but was new to politics.
So in in the office of the presidency, over the years, all those presidents, you’ve had 92% were politicians and 8% were generals. General Ai, General Washington. Right? General George Washington. He had generals. So it’s 8% gen no admirals. 8% generals and 92% politicians. You know, they’re politicians and they go on.
So they never had a business guy or they never had a guy that wasn’t elected to an office. They were all ai Ronald Reagan was really he was a movie actor and then meh but he became the governor of California for, I think, 2 terms and then he ran. So you’d never had a thing like this.
But I, you know, in in terms of meh, and some sometimes I’d use it as an excuse, and I don’t like having excuses actually, but I use it as an excuse. I had to rely on people that I respected or ai, but that I didn’t know that well because I didn’t know them that well. Some of those people I campaigned against, because, you know, when you have 18 people, we had mostly politicians running in the election, you know, running in the ai, and they got knocked out 1 by 1.
But I got to like some of them. Some of them Ai didn’t like at all, and I don’t like them now. And I rely on them, and I’d rely on other people. So all of a sudden, people would come in. I’d like to recommend so and so to be secretary of state, and I’d have 3, 4 people recommend one thing I can tell you, everybody wants the position.
No. No. But sometimes I’ll hear, a lot of people don’t wanna work with Trump because Trump is tough to work with, etcetera. Let me tell you. Everybody wants to be any one of these positions. They ai for it.
Now they don’t wanna be known. I mean, there’s a particular guy in, New York, primarily. Very big. Very big. Very successful. Very, very strong. Very political. Although he’s not a politician. He’d give anything to be secretary of state. But if they ask him, no. I don’t think I would do it.
But in the meantime, begging for it. Okay? Begging. They all
Everybody look. Everybody wants it.
But my but my what I wanna
get is no matter what you do, every but it’s very dangerous to pick somebody ai of a politician because a politician’s been basically vetted for years.
You pick a business ai, and they’ve never been vetted vatsal, and they’re, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they’ve never been vetted. You know nothing about his personal life. You know nothing about where he’s been. When you put him in, it’s a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up and you hear things that you sai, wow.
This is not gonna work out too well. So it’s very dangerous. Picking picking people that are outside of politics is somewhat dangerous.
So you’re kinda stuck in a position we have to pick established people. And then the problem with established people is established people already indoctrinated into the system.
And they’re stiffs in many cases. Stiffs. They’re survivors. I find that, you know
What do you mean by steps? When you say steps
A step, they don’t they don’t have nothing. They have nothing. Or they’re smart and survive. One one little thing. So there was a congressman years before I ran, and I was very close to him. And I needed a license on something, and he was very important in getting the license.
But it was a little bit controversial, the license that this particular thing that was being licensed. But I was close to this guy and helped him and everything else. And I went to him. I said, I’d like to have your help. And, he said, let me take a look at it.
I said, oh, that’s not too good, but I really hope you can help. Anyway, he tapped me along for a long period of time and ultimately didn’t do it. And I said, you are a stiff you could have done this thing so easy, etcetera, but it was controversial. He was in Congress for many years, ai, 28 years.
And, you know, there’s a reason when somebody’s there for 28 years, you gotta be sort of smart. Right.
know, you have old school personnel. And I realized he was a survivor.
And so they never do anything controversial. They never take any chances or speak their opinion that’s outside of
it. Yeah. Yeah. And meh, I don’t disrespect him for it. So I actually respected the guy more in a way in a certain way. Ai said because
You know what? He’s been there, like, for 28 years, and he made it through. A lot of people don’t make it through.
It’s a good way for non exceptional people to survive.
Well, it is. Yeah. I mean, it certainly is.
So you’re you’re in there. You have 10,000 appointments you have to make. Like, so you’re getting advice from people. And at at what point in time did you have a moment in time where you ai, like, these are bad choices? Like, some of these people I shouldn’t have had in there.
Oh, yeah. I think so the one question that you’ll ask me that I think you’ll ask me that seem people seem to ask, and I always come up with the same answer. If Ai I the one mistake. Because I did I had a lot of success. Great economy. Great everything. Everything was great. We we the military, we rebuilt it.
Biggest tax cuts in history. All of a sudden, we did we had a great presidency. 3 Supreme Court justices. Most people get none. You know, you pick them young.
This way, they’re there for 50 years. Right? So, you know, even if a president is there for 8 years, ai, they never have a chance. I had 3. It was sort of the luck of the draw. But, I I will say that it always comes back to the same answer.
The biggest mistake I made was I picked some speak I picked some great people. You know? But you don’t think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn’t have picked. I picked a few people that I shouldn’t have picked. And Neo cons? Yeah.
Neocons or bad people or disloyal people or
People that were into the Those
Yeah. I mean, look. I mean, you reading about him a little bit today, a guy like Kelly who is a bully a bully, but a weak a weak person. You know? You know more about bullies than anybody probably around because you deal in a a certain sport where the bullies are exposed very quickly. Yeah.
But, you know, he’s bad. Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me because I’d go in with a guy like a John Bolton. You know John Bolton? A friend of mine called called me up. I was picking Bolton. He’s a very smart guy. His name is Phil Ruffin. He’s a very rich guy from Las Vegas.
1 of the he’s a great card player. He doesn’t play cards, but he’s a great player. You know, he’s just a natural got poker sense. Right? You know, good old poker sense.
And Phil Ruffin is is a very, very wise kind of a guy and very one of the richest people around and has had great success and understands people. So it was in that I was picking Bolton or I picked Bolton. He called up. He said, don’t pick him. Ai? He’s a bad guy.
I want now he wasn’t in politics at all. He’s in various businesses. He sai, he’s a bad guy. He’s just it always works out bad with that guy. And I said, oh, man. I wish you’d told me this 2 weeks. I already hired him. You know, he’s he’s here. And and he was ai.
But, but he was good in a certain way. He’s a nut job. And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind me, they said, oh, man. Trump’s gonna go to war with us. He was with Bush when they went stupidly into the Middle East. They should’ve never done it. I used to say it as a civilian.
So I always got more publicity than other people, and I didn’t it wasn’t like I was trying. In fact, I don’t know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me why. Oh, I
could definitely tell you. You said a lot of wild shit.
You said a lot of wild shah, and then CNN, in their all their brilliance ai highlighting your wild shit made you much more popular.
And they boost you in the polls because people were tired of someone talking in this bullshit pre prepared politician lingo. And even if they didn’t agree with you, they at least knew whoever that guy is, that’s him. That’s really him. When you see certain people talk, certain people in the public eye, you don’t know who they are. You have no idea who they are. It’s very difficult to know.
They see them in conversations. They have these pre planned answers. They say everything. It’s very rehearsed. You never get to the meat of it.
What the one of the beautiful things about you is that you free ball. Like, you get out and you do these huge events and you’re just talking and you’re making we would we’ve highlighted you on the show many times where you when you did this Biden impression where he’s walking around, he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
It’s funny. It’s it’s stand up. It’s funny stuff. But it’s ai you, and you’re making fun of Elon one time. You’re doing an Elon impression. It’s great.
You you have, like, comedic instincts. Like, when you said to Hillary, you’d be in jail. Like, that’s great timing. Yeah. But it’s ai that kind of stuff was unheard of as a politician. Like, no one had done that.
what’s funny? You need at least the attitude of a comedian when you’re doing this business. This is a very dangerous business. First of all, it’s a very tough business when
It’s the most dangerous business.
Yes. I mean, other than going to war and being a firefighter or being a cop Yeah. It’s the most dangerous business. Because
dangerous for being president is the most dangerous.
you haven’t even got to the election. There’s been 2 assassination attempts. And they’ve brushed those out of the news like it was nothing.
Yeah. They’d rather not talk about it.
Imagine if there was assassination attempts on Biden, how hard people would be attacking the ai, how they would be trying to get guns taken away from people. They would try to ramp up gun laws. They would try to figure out some way to blame you. If there was a tax on if Biden got shot in the ear, we would have never heard the end of it.
But I think he’s in good shape because it’s only consequential presidents. If you take a look at what’s happened, Look, I’m for having countries pay us 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000,000, even dollars. I took in 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars from Ai. Nobody took in 10¢, not one other precedent.
I do things that make it, I mean, that don’t necessarily make me so popular. I just do what’s right. And when you do that, you know, you’re more look at look at Iran. Iran we would have never had the attack on Israel at all. Iran was broke.
I told China, if you buy, you can’t do business in the United States under any sai I was gonna we’re gonna go cold turkey with China. Some people think that would have been a good idea anyway. But if you buy any oil, one barrel of oil from them, you’re not doing business. Ai said that to many countries. Iran was broke. They had no money for Hezbollah. They had no money for Hamas.
They had no but I make myself you know, I mean, I understand what I’m doing. Sai it you make yourself a target, and it’s a very dangerous business. But if you just look at statistically so I I said I said I think I don’t know if it’s right, but 1 tenth of 1% for a race car ai.
Yeah. It’s pretty dangerous business. Right? Yeah. 1 tenth of 1% for a bull rider. I I tell you, to ai, I would talk death.
These guys that ride the bulls is worse than UFC. It’s worse. Yeah. These guys that you see these big monster bulls and you see it in slow motion where the the foot is ai, you know, an inch away from the head if it hits him, the guy’s gun, but they die. You know, they die.
So 1 tenth of 1% die. Is that what you’re saying?
Yeah. 1 tenth of 1% die. Right. And they certainly get hurt badly. Really, I mean, they can’t walk after a certain period of ai. But but with the president, if you look at
The amount of assassination attempts.
And and attempts too. And attempts. No. It’s a very dangerous position. I never thought of that, by the way, when I did it. I you know, you don’t you don’t tend to I
don’t just assume because people loved you on The Apprentice, they were gonna love you as a president.
You know, it’s very interesting. Would have been if the media didn’t attack you the way they did. If they didn’t conflate you with Hitler. I mean, even today, like, Kamala was talking about you and Tyler. You’re they’re gonna take what you said about Robert e Lee. Oh, Donald Trump wishes the South one.
That’s right. He loves Robert e Lee.
They love to take things out of context and distort things.
But They they don’t even have to take them out. They make them up entirely. Okay?
But, you know, it’s interesting when you mentioned the, the I was very popular, and, and all those people love me. I mean, this, some of these these women, they’re so they’re so stupid. And, Joy, she would every time she’d see me, I like, I’d be in the theater or something. It’s just, you have to be on the show again. Come on.
Come on. Let’s go. We have to She loved you. Love me.
That episode where where By
should watch that episode just to sai what we’re talking about. Like I said, we don’t wanna get a copyright strike, so we’re not gonna put it up. But It’s okay. If you watch the episode, it’s bananas. It’s like an alternative universe. And it’s only But whoopie 9 years ago.
Loved you. Gives you a hug and a kiss.
And how about that other one, the new one on there? The, the one from my administration. She writes me a letter of the greatest president. She leaves. You know, she worked as, like as an assistant press secretary. I hardly knew her. But she leaves and she writes me this gorgeous letter. What’s her name?
She was, I don’t even know. You know, she anyway, she was in the administration. She’s on now currently. Sits on the far right hand sai, whatever the hell her name is. And and she writes a letter, the most beautiful letter. She’s quoted in the paper.
He’s a consequential he was the greatest president. Blah blah blah. Then all of a sudden, she goes in the view. She started hitting the hell out of me because they won’t hire her unless I’ve had many people go on CNN, and they called and said, I don’t know what to do. What they sana pay me a lot, but I have to be negative on you. I said, be negative. That’s okay. There are guys on, like, CNN.
They won’t hire them. Sean Duffy is a, you know, congressman, and he retired. He got a good job with CNN, but he was only positive about Trump. So they kept him, but they would never put him on. I mean, I respect what he did. He could’ve gone, you know, negative. I tell people, go negative.
You know, let my friends make the money. Well, it’s just It’s so crooked. The press is sai crooked.
It’s crooked, but it’s also they’re diminishing themselves. They’re they they are they’re killing all their credibility, and it’s opening up the credibility to new media. It’s opening up the credibility to independent media. All these The
worst I’ve ever seen though and I’ve seen the worst. I mean, I’ve I’ve been a part of it. I’ve been I’ve seen the worst. Kamala goes on 30 minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn’t give. It was so bryden. And 30 minutes took the answer out. They took the whole and they put another answer in.
They added it to something.
Which didn’t make sense either, but it was better. They took the well, it wasn’t editing. It was fraud. It was yeah. This was not editing. You know, editing is where I’ll give an answer and they’ll take a couple of words and change around, or they might even take a sentence or 2 off, which is very bad.
But that’s it’s sort of bad. You know, I’d give an answer, which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave. You know, I like to Yeah.
You like to weave things in?
But when you do the weaves and you have to be very smart to do weaves. When you do the weave, look at this just in this one thing. We’re talking about little pieces over here, but it always backs up. Home. No. No. It comes back home. Yeah.
For the right speak for the wrong people, it doesn’t come back home when they end up in the wilderness. Right? But but they can take my answer. And you know what? They may take a little piece of it out or something. And they use the term, meh, we want to save time.
Well, it’s not but I’ve never heard. I think it’s the biggest scandal in broadcast history. What happened to c n CBS. So you have CBS 60 Minutes. It’s a news program. It’s not an entertainment program. It’s under their news. It’s the head of their news thing.
She gives an answer that was that shows that she’s essentially incompetent, and they took the answer. Could you imagine them doing that for me?
Can show it if you want people to see it. Can we show it? No? Sure. We meh in trouble? We’ll get copyright strike? Reason. Okay. I’ll indemn I’ll indemnify you. But it’s it’s drastic. But what was interesting was the other full version was available initially. It was like a preview.
They somebody made a big mistake.
Somebody put that preview out there.
put the preview out. Exactly.
And then the bosses did this or that. And then all of a sudden, they said we got a problem.
They got caught by mistake.
But don’t you think that’s a bit to me and don’t forget, this is election interference and fraud. And it’s 30 minutes. It’s their news division. So they give It’s a big deal. They give those licenses out, Joe, for free. They should pay a fortune. They’re worth a fortune. They give them out for free because they’re using the public airwaves. With cable, you don’t have that. Cable’s different. But, you know, it it’s just a different deal.
But with the networks, they give those ai they’re worth 1,000,000,000 of dollars. They give them out free, but you have to be honest and all. That was bad. I think that David Muir and that woman that was ai I never even heard of her, but they kept interrupting me. It was ai I said, how many people am I debating here? I I got this one and I got you 2, but he went after me 11 different times.
You know, it’s interesting. I always thought he was a nice guy, but he’s just like the rest of them. You know?
Well, that’s his job, unfortunately. And I’m I’m sure No.
They want you’re right. Well, the problem was they fact checked you and they didn’t fact check her. And one of the most egregious examples of that was when she said that there is there are no troops right now deployed in war zones. Yeah. There’s a very famous viral video that went online of troops in a war zone saying, well, what the fuck are we then? Because there’s thousands of them.
Dan Crenshaw, the congressman, posted on his Instagram all of the various examples of
Troops that are deployed, thousands and thousands of troops that are currently deployed.
Stupidly deployed. But the
point is, if this is going to be an actual real debate and not a propaganda exercise, if it’s gonna be a real debate, you have to fact check everybody. Like, if someone says maybe she thought there was no Right. Which is also a problem. So it’s one of 2 things. It’s either it was not true.
It was a lie on purpose, which is terrible, or it was the opposite. It was ignorance, which is also terrible.
Well, Joe, when I said crime is soaring, he sai, no. No. Crime has gone down. I said, where did you hear that one? Crime has gone down. I mean, I’m debating with this guy, but I’ve had that.
Well, there was amended FBI statistics that came out after that that showed the crime had gone up substantially.
And ai the way, the statistics were a fraud. Because when they put out the statistics, they didn’t include some of the worst places. They didn’t include some of the worst cities, some of the most deadly places. But when the real numbers came out, I turned out to be right. But I haven’t yet You
turned out to be right, but then there’s another problem. Unreported crime is way up because people have lost look. The morale that the police department has in a lot of these cities where they’ve done this defund the police bullshit.
These the morale that’s poor cops, it’s fucking horrible. Yeah. It’s the dumbest idea of all time. Sai bad. But what they’ve done is they’ve they they’ve made these cops feel terrible. They’re, good cops. I think cops are just like everybody else. Most of them are great. It’s like everybody else. But if you run into one carpenter and he does a shitty job in your house, you sai, carpenters fucking suck, but they don’t suck.
with cops. But the point is, like, they they did all of these things in this very foolish way.
And these cops are suffering the consequences of it, and so subsequently what happens is a lot of crime is unreported. A lot of ai, like, you call the cops, they’re too busy, they can’t even get to you. Oh, your house got broken into? Sorry. You know? You it doesn’t even make a report. There’s a lot of people that that they just give up.
It’s so sad what’s happened. And I’ll tell you what. Ai go to police funerals, and we went to 1 in Long Island. I visited the family in Long Island. A very big deal. It’s so dangerous. People don’t realize. The car, dark windows, pull over. He’s a gentleman. Please pull over. Door opens. Guy comes out firing.
Even if they were allowed to pull out their gun, which they’re not. They can’t, you know, pull it out.
They still wouldn’t have time.
It’s every cop’s worst nightmare.
It they open the door, and he was killed, and his partner was hurt. He was killed. And you don’t have I mean, you don’t even have an eighth of a second to think, and it is such a dangerous job. That in particular think of it. You go up to a car, you don’t know who’s sitting there with a gun. And if they have a gun, you really don’t have a chance.
You’re not allowed to have your gun out, by the way. Yep. They have very strict rules. So number 1, there but even if you could have your gun out, the door opens and a guy and bullets start firing out, you know. And especially where they have the dark windows, where they have the darkened windows.
It is such a dangerous, profession, and it’s very hard to get cops now because they they’re not given any backup. And you’re right. You can you know, they have, like, an eighth of a second to make a decision that’s gonna change their life. If they make the wrong decision, they’re gonna end up on the front page of every newspaper in in the country, and they’re gonna lose their house and their pension and their their job and their wife is gonna be gone and everything’s gonna be gone.
And the here’s another thing that people don’t talk about. How many of them have PTSD? Probably most of them. Yeah. These guys are seeing people shot all the time. Yep. You know? I I I’ve talked to a ton of cops about it, and they you know, a lot of cops commit suicide. A lot of cops are deeply depressed.
of cops do back their dignity. We have to we can’t we just have to give it back. You said it’s so good. You you never hear so anybody say that. You’re never gonna have it perfect. You’re gonna have a bad apple.
In everything. In every profession.
But every time there’s a bad apple, that gets massive publicity, and it it taints everybody else.
But it’s also this very irresponsible thing where people sai, defund the police, get rid of the police. You know, even Kamala Harris was a part of that. That it’s a it’s a very stupid way to look at it. What you should do is fund the police. You should have better training.
You should have cops that feel more appreciated. You do you should have some something that helps mitigate this PTSD that all of them suffer through.
Go ahead. She was, a big part of defund the police. That was a big thing for her, defund the police. Always defund the police.
What was it’s a political idea. Right?
Any anybody with that political thought Yeah. I don’t think should be running for president, and I think people are getting wise to it. You know, we’re doing pretty well now. I don’t know. Maybe in a week from now, say, sorry about that. I was wrong, but we’re leading everything.
And I think we’re gonna have a very good election. But I I tell people because people are starting to get to know her. But she was defund the police. She was all these transgender operations. You know, if you wanted a sex change and you were in detention and you demanded a sex change, they would give you a sex change.
Well, the wildest one is this idea of giving free sex change to illegal immigrants.
That’s right. In detention.
That is the wildest thing.
Is that the biggest problem you have? You just walked here for Guatemala. You need to become a girl.
But she was in favor of it. Yes. So so think of it. She was now she changed. She changed 15 policies. In fact, I’m gonna send her a MAGA cap.
She stole your idea about no tax for tips.
I I came up with this idea that, honestly, nobody ever heard of. And all now it took her 2 months, but you know what? All of a sudden It caught fire. And she just put it into a little speech. Yep. Well If
Sai think we still have that issue. I think that issue is a good one for us. But, now we have a lot of good issues. You know, we had the the other day. Think of how simple some of these things are. We’re trying to get cars built in the United States. Detroit has been really tough. It’s been a disaster.
They have a huge factory, huge car auto plant being built by China in Meh, make cars, sell them in the United States, put everybody out of business. Right? Here we go again. I said, if that plant is there when I’m president, I will put 100 or 200% tariffs on every car. They’ll be unsaleable in the United States, and they just announced they’re not gonna build the plant because they think I’m gonna win. Think of it.
They’re not gonna build the plant. This was the biggest plant in the world. It would have it more than all of Michigan makes. That’s how big. You know, this is what we’re getting to.
And I said, if that plan goes up, I want them to understand if I win, I’m gonna tax those cars at the rate of a 100 or 200 percent a piece sai that you won’t be able to sell them in the United States. They just announced they’re not gonna build the plan.
I did a big favor for our country by doing that, and I’m not even there yet. To me, the most beautiful word, and I’ve said this for the last couple of weeks in the dictionary today and any is the word tariff. It’s more beautiful than love. It’s more beautiful than anything. It’s the most beautiful word. This country can become rich with the use the proper use of tariffs.
Float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?
Well, okay. We’re serious about that? Our yeah. Sure. But why not? Because we ready? Our country was the richest in the relatively, in the 18 eighties and 18 nineties. A president who was assassinated named McKinley. He was the tariff king. He spoke beautifully of tariffs. His his language was really beautiful.
We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs, and take our factories, and take our workers, and take our families, unless they pay a big ai. And the big price is tariffs. And he’d speak like that, but he was right. And then around in the early 1900, they switched over stupidly to, frankly, an income tax. And you know why? Because countries were putting a lot of pressure on America.
We don’t sana pay tariffs. Please don’t you know, they believe meh. They control our politicians. If you look at the kind of numbers that these guys make then and now but we had a commission meeting in the, 8 I think it was 18/87. Think of this problem. We were so rich. We had so much money. We didn’t know what to do, so they set up a blue ribbon commission on tariffs.
And these sole purposes, what to do with all the money we had. We were so rich because we were taxing other people for coming in and taking our jobs. And China does it. That’s what China did. If you sana open a factory and sell cars if you build a factory here or have a factory they don’t take our cars. They they wouldn’t take our cars.
But if you build a plant in China, you can do that. Elon did that. By the way, Elon is great. That guy is such a great guy. I think you’re a fan of Elon. He is from a different planet. He’s the greatest guy. That rocket coming in. Yeah.
I thought I’m I’m I told the story once or ai, so you may have heard it because his speeches have been good. Did you see the one last night? Yeah. 29,000 people. That was a
And the one the night before was the same thing. We are we are rocking and rolling. But but Elon and I’m talking to this very important guy. I sai, wait a minute. I’m looking at something. The television’s on muted. Right? And I see this rocket. It’s all brown from the heat.
You know, it creeps up Uh-huh. 10000 degrees pouring down at 1,000 of miles an hour. And I see this thing. You know, it’s like a 20 story building.
And I say to this guy, he’s an important guy. Wait a minute. Let me just put you down. Hold on. I gotta see this. And Ai see this, and and it’s gonna crash. I sai, it’s gonna crash into the gantry. They call it a gantry. I said, oh, man. That’s gonna be a disaster because it’s starting to get very close. And then all of a bryden, you see the flames in the bottom and it boom.
And then you see the 2 arms grab it.
And I forgot the guy. I had him on the phone. I forgot. No. I sai, the hell with no. I called Elon. I said, was that you? He said, that was me. And I said, who else can do that? He said, nobody. Russia can’t do it. The United States, nobody can do it.
You know, I set up Space Force. That was me. And that’s the first time in 82 years that we opened another branch since the Air Force. And that’s gonna be one of our most important things. But think of what Elon does. And he did one other thing that Ai never heard of it. It’s, Starlink.
I went down to North Carolina, Georgia, the different places. Right I followed it ai down, and they had no communication. The polls were all knocked down. Every and one of the guys in North Carolina said, could you do me a favor? Do you know Elon Musk? Yes. He endorsed me.
By the way, he gave me the nicest endorsement too. This the tough he said the country’s gonna fail. You should do the same thing, Joe, because you cannot be voting for Kamala. Kamala. You’re not a Kamala person. I know you. I’ve watched you.
I know him better than his. You know what? Without speaking to you, I think I know you maybe almost as well as your wife. I have watched you for so many years. You’re not a Kamala person. You’re a Khabib person, but you’re not a Kamala person. No.
Nobody’s gonna know who Khabib is, but
was he was not he was not bad. Right? That guy Oh, he was phenomenal. But that’s you have ai of
Your weave is ai wide. We’re getting wide
with this sweep. But isn’t I
wanna bring it back to tariffs.
But but wait one sai. Before we finish with tariffs, I just so they said they said, could you get him? We need Starlink. And I call Elon. He got it for him so fast, saved so many lives. And I said, how was it? They said, better than the wires. You know? They couldn’t put them in.
They were all they were all gone. So getting
back to recently in Utah, in the mountains.
Oh, it’s phenomenal. It’s the size of a like sai iPad. You just set it down on the ground. You get high speed Internet. It’s incredible.
We’re spending just to show you, we’re spending a $1,000,000,000,000 to get cables all over the country. Right? Up to upstate areas where you have, like, 2 farms and they’re spending 1,000,000 of dollars to have
Well, talk about the ai dollars that was wasted on this Internet access program that you know they didn’t get Anybody.
They haven’t hooked up ai. They haven’t hooked up one person.
Not one person. They spent $42,000,000,000. They could have gotten Starlinks to everybody with that kind of money.
For almost nothing. Yeah. For a monthly charge.
And it would have been incredible.
to Internet everywhere you wanna go.
And he wanted to do that. And he wanted to do that. How about this? They they built, the charger stations. Right?
In the Midwest Midwest. They built 8 of them. They cost $9,000,000,000. That’s like a gas pump. Right? They built 9 gas pumps, except electricity comes out. They spent $9,000,000,000. 3 of them don’t work. The whole thing, there’s so much waste. I could I could sit here and tell you about things that that there’s so much waste, abuse, and fraud.
Oh, there’s yeah. I’m I’m sure. I mean, I think everybody’s aware of that now.
Let’s get back to tariffs.
When when you’re talking about one of the criticisms of your administration was with tax cuts and with tariffs, you increased the deficit. So was the what was the strategy behind that? And did you think it was gonna increase the deficit by a substantial amount?
Okay. We were ready to rock. It was all you know, I had a bad system. We had a horrible tax policy. I made it great with a much lower tax rate. So I took it from almost 40% down to 21%. Now I’m bringing it from 21 down to 15, but only if you make your product in the United States, which is great. People call meh.
They said, what a great idea. Nobody ever heard of that before. I don’t care if they make the product in Japan. Why should I give up? So it’s a 21. That at 21, in the 1st year, we took in much more revenue than we did at almost 40. Think of that.
It inspired now we had other things too. We we were able to get people to bring back their money. You couldn’t you couldn’t bring back your money. If you had money in Europe, like Apple, Apple had meh 1,000,000,000 of dollars outside. They couldn’t bring it. There was no way to bring it back in.
The bureaucracy, the documents, the whole thing. And, also, the tax was too high. You know, they wanted, like, half of it or something. Nobody’s gonna do that. So they they leave their money in Japan and and they spend their money there. That was part of what I did. The money came pouring back in.
Apple took in 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars. They brought it back from overseas. They brought it in.
So how does the deficit increase because
of that? So what happened is this. We were ready to rock and roll, and then we had the COVID thing, And we had to focus on that. And if we didn’t give some businesses ahead, they would have all you would have had a depression ai in 1929. But we were ready to start. We were going to we would have very shortly been paying off debt. You know, we have $35,000,000,000,000 in debt. And I’ll never forget it.
We were it was talking about, from, you know, the standpoint of being in office. I’m in the Oval Office, and I have John McLaughlin and Fabrizio. They’re 2 very good pollsters, probably I don’t know. I would say the 2 best. Who knows? But very good pollsters.
And we’re starting to think about running for a saloni term. And we had the greatest economy in history. Never has there been an economy like
And you attribute that to lowering taxes.
Sai lot of tariffs. 2 things. And also, I cut regulations more than anybody else. And if I Ai asked many of the businessmen, you know, from the big companies, you know, the guys running the big companies. Let’s sai. So if you had your choice, you’ve had it now for a long ai, what’s more important to you? The tax cuts? You paid less sai. Or the regulation cuts?
Every one of them said the regulation cuts meant more. Who would think that? Right? Because you don’t equate it to dollars, but it actually is more dollars. We had it going, and then we just had to focus on something else. But they were sitting there.
These 2 these 2 pollsters were sitting there, and they said, sir, if George Washington came back and Abraham Lincoln was his VP as opposed to Waltz how bad is he, by the way? But if Abraham Lincoln was his VP, they couldn’t beat you. You have a and I’ll never forget it. The following day, they said something’s happening in China, sir.
Could we meet? I said, what’s happening? People are ai. And it was all around the Wuhan lab, by the way. There are pictures with little ai, their body bags, all around the Wuhan lab. And I always said that from the beginning, Joe.
It was you know, they tried to say first, they said it was France and, you know, they blamed everybody.
But then they say it was bats from a cave 2,000 miles away. So we got hit with vatsal. And despite that, we had the best economy. And when I gave it over, the stock market was higher than it was pre COVID. I mean, nobody could even believe it. But we saved it, and we were helping businesses. They were dying.
So it’s your belief that if you had a second term, given the policies in place, the way the economy was booming, that you would have been able to pay off a lot of the debt. And that was the strategy.
COVID, we would have been paying off debt and we would have had and don’t forget, by growth. The word growth is actually more important in a way because you could have the same debt. But if you doubled your growth, all of a sudden you’re under levered. But, still, we should pay off debt. You know, if you view this, $35,000,000,000,000 right now, it’s a lot.
But if you look at the asset value, if you looked at it purely as an asset value, we have oil underground, we have water, we have mountains, we have the I mean, the assets are so enormous. But regardless of that, we’ve got 35,000,000,000,000 in debt. We should pay it off. And we would have started paying off debt and probably even giving further given further tax reductions. I wanna get it down to 15%. We’re gonna do more business.
But when you get hit with a COVID, everything stops and you have to keep these businesses alive. The businesses were dying. I mean, they were just dying. This whole place this country was gonna die.
Are there influences, outside of environmental that keep people from wanting to drill for oil and ram and and do those sort of things ai of the environmental concerns, which are legitimate, of course. No.
are there other influences that meh be over accentuate or over exaggerate these environmental effects? Arya are people being influenced in a way where they’re trying to keep us from producing American oil?
Yeah. Yeah. So the environmental is the biggest tool for stopping growth, the biggest tool. The other is regulation. And if you speak to Elon, he said the regulation now to send a rocket up to anywhere, even if you do everything, it’s it’s almost it’s becoming impossible. But they use environmental in order to get people not to do anything.
And sometimes I sai, you know, I look at some of the I I know the environmental stuff better because I had to build buildings in New York. I had to build I had to do environmental impact studies. And I would see some of these guys that I’d hire for a lot of money, environmentalists that would get you through the process, and they’d be up in Albany.
That’s the capital of New York. And they’re up there trying to make it tougher for guys like me that were builders because they meh paid more money. In other words, I I had one guy, highly meh all you know, I was good at getting permits. I was one of the kings of I was always very good. But the environmental stuff was always horrible. They could slow a project down 10 years, 15 years.
I had a project in Louisiana built big LNG plant. It was, for 14 years, it was gonna cost 18,000,000 $18,000,000,000. One of the biggest like the Empire State Building laying down on side times ram. Massive in the coast on the Gulf Coast. And they said, sir, they’re gonna give it up. I said, that’s they shouldn’t give it up. What’s the problem?
They can’t get their environmental they had environmental permits that would fill this whole room up to the ceiling, And they said there was one mistake on one little line. They want them to do it all over again. It’s it’s not gonna happen. And I got them their permit instantly, and they built the plant. It’s massive.
So when you’re saying that the so there’s there’s people that are making money by making it difficult. Yeah. Are you talking about lawyers?
No. I’m just well, I’m talking about environmental consultants and lawyers.
Yeah. Environmental consultants profit off of dragging out the process. Absolutely.
And how do they process worse?
Ai do the same thing about with them, to be honest with you. That’s just wanna be honest with you.
How do they do that? How do they make it
They go let’s say New York. They go to Albany.
And they convince people that, if you have a certain type of plant on the ground that’s this big and in theory, valueless, that it’s a rare plant and you cannot ever even touch it. You can’t go near it. You can’t put a building on it. You can’t do anything. Or there’s a little puddle, and they call it a lake.
And you have to go by the standards of a lake. I said, no. No. That’s a puddle. Oh, you have no idea? Guys are filling a little puddle.
You have no idea what they do. And so And they use it as a way to stop you.
They use it as a way to stop you and also as the way to generate money. I’m ai I’m curious how how they’re generating money that way, though.
Massive fees. And pay these guys.
Rely on them as experts because they’re the people that they go to when they have to run these studies in the first place.
But some of them are just bad guys, and they’re trying to make it more and more difficult.
And they have a lot of power.
Yeah. I I think they maybe had more. They didn’t have as much with me because I would get through them, and I understood it. Look. I’ve had I’ve done so many they call it environmental impact study. Uh-huh. I did so much to build a building to build a building in New York is very tough. You gotta be very you gotta deal with think of it.
Financing, unions, all the municipal stuff, environmental. Of all of it, to me, the toughest thing was the environmental because they could stop you cold with the environmental impact study stuff. And and you deal you hire a so called expert. They say, sir, he’s the one ai. He can get you through the morass. It’s a morass. It’s horrible.
They use it as a weapon. They use it all over the country.
But there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact. Correct? Ai, look about the BP oil spill. There’s a lot of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating. Yeah. And you wanna mitigate that as much
as possible. You do. Look, I I had during our 4 years, we had the cleanest air and the cleanest water. I view it differently. I say air and water. Remember this, it costs much more to do things environmentally clean. China doesn’t do anything.
When Kerry goes to see, President Xi at China, which he probably doesn’t even get to see him, But they look at him, oh, yes. Yes. We will do. Oh, yes. Yes. We’re gonna do that. No more coal. No more coal.
Just and then they approve 58 coal plants for the next, you know, every they build a coal plant a week. Okay?
They build a lot of coal plants. We’ve But
let me just tell you though. So here we are cleaning and scrubbing everything, and everything’s got and the year’s gotta be pure. But in 3.8 days, that stuff floating over China is right over the top of us. Right. Same thing with the oceans. They dump their garbage into the Pacific Ocean.
If you take a little cork and put it there, in about a week and a half, it’ll be in front of Los Angeles. We’re picking up their garbage. So nobody ever talks about that. But in a way, the bigger one is even the air. It’s the currents. It’s an amazing thing.
It’s been flowing that way for a 1000000 years long before long before air before with the
the Sahara dust clouds over here. Absolutely. We get dust clouds in Austin from the Sahara Desert.
But we get the China, you know, they call it the China curse. We get the China curse. They’re they’re bad, and their air is dirty. You know, when I went there, I had a great relationship with President Xi. We got along very well. And they treated me better than anybody’s ever been treated.
Same thing with Saudi Arabia. Cou number of them. But they laid it out. And I said, this air is good. Do you know they closed every factory 1 week before I got there from within 200 miles?
That’s like what Gavin Newsom did when Xi Jinping came to San Francisco.
He cleaned it up. He got rid of all the whole machine.
Blown away to think. You know? He cleaned it up, and then it became a pigsty.
Well, the dumbest thing is he said when your friends come by, when you have visitors, you clean up your house. Like, how about just keep your fucking house clean?
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard anybody say ever as a governor as to excuse to why you finally cleaned up your homeless problem?
And the day he left Right back to him. It went right back.
But in a way, that was a bad thing that he did because he showed Should not be done. What a disgrace that was. What a disgrace.
Well, this is the thing that, like, shows you how foolish a lot of these people that are running these cities think. A lot of these people that are running these states think. It’s it’s foolish. Like, you you’re insulting the intelligence of the people that live in that city that are impacted by these people just camping and needles and human feces.
There’s a an app that you can buy. There’s an app that you can get rather that will show you where the human feces has been documented in San Francisco. It’s a Poo app, and it’s just everywhere. It’s just bump crap everywhere.
But let let me give you one that you may not know.
Which I think you know everything, actually. As a student as a student of yours, but but water, you know, in Los Angeles, you can’t get proper amounts of water. Right. And it’s unbelievably expensive. And you might have a house in Beverly Hills, and they’re actually thinking about rationing water. Could you believe it?
And I was in I was in the farm court country with some of the congressmen. We’re driving up sai highway. And I say, how come all this land is so barren? It’s farmland and it looked terrible. It was just brown and bad. I said, but there’s always that little corner that’s so green and beautiful. They said, we have no water. I said, do you have a drought? No.
We don’t have a drought. I said, why didn’t you have no water? Because the water isn’t allowed to flow down. It’s got a natural flow from Canada all the way up north. Water more water than they could ever use.
And in order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured. You gotta see this. We’re driving up, and I had never seen it before. It’s the most it’s like Iowa. It’s the most fertile land. Ai blessed with great land.
Idaho for a potato. Right? Yeah. But these they’re they’re just by the way, you know, some land is good for a potato. Some land is good for corn.
It’s the craziest thing. I love the farmers. They’re great. They’re the greatest. And ai the way, they’re getting killed right now. They are.
They’re getting killed because of the stupid administration. But so I see this, and I said, you gotta be kidding. I said, you mean you have water? And I looked at it. It’s like a valve in your sink, except it’s massive. The thing’s 5 times taller than your ceiling.
Did you know the center of California was a giant lake? They have so much water. See what it looks like before they rerouted it?
The center of California, like, was it 200 years ago? How long ago did they do that, Jamie? The the center of California had a fucking enormous lake in the middle of California.
So they dumped it into the Pacific.
Who knows what they did? But what whatever foolishness that they did meh to the situation they’re in now.
Think of those dry forests that burned down all over the You know, the head of Austria said There
is Tyler Lake or Tachi Lake. It’s a freshwater lake in the southern San Joaquin Valley, United States. Historically, Tulere Lake was one of the largest freshwater lakes west of Mississippi. Show a photo of what it looked like back then.
So that’s what it looked like. Look at that image. Now the one go to the one on the third from the right. Yeah. Yeah. That was an enormous lake in the middle of California. Imagine that.
That’d be much more valuable property.
Crazy is that? But how crazy is that? That’s what it used to look like in human beings. Screw that.
No. They let it go into the Pacific, and then they
I don’t know what they did. What did they do that why did how did it go missing? They said they drained it 83.
19? 1983. Oh my god. It went dry a handful of times. Oh, went dry a handful of times. Well, you know, lakes do go dry, but that’s a big one. But take us big one to go dry.
Ai have all of the water you need. All of that land would have more water. The whole thing could be like that little patch. And liter literally, I’d say I was with Devin Noon as a congressman and other meh. We were going up. I was visiting that because they asked me to go up and visit their territory, and I did. But I kept saying, look at this land.
It’s beautiful, but it’s so dry. And I thought they were going through, like, a desert, like a drought. They said, no. We have water, but it gets so I looked into it. What is the ai? Got it done. I got it done.
I could have water for all of that land, water for your forest. You know, your forest are dry as a bone. Yeah. Okay?
That water could be routed. You know, you could have everything. Oh, not only dangerous. 1,000,000,000 of dollars a year they spend on forest fires. And, you know, there’s a case with the environment. They’re not allowed to rake their forests because you’re not allowed to touch it.
When a tree falls down, after 18 months, it becomes very dry. It’s like, you know, like real firewood. It’s bad. You know, a tree that’s up these are all things I learned the hard way, the easy way. But when a tree is up, it sucks water. It’s wet.
I went to that the hard they had a couple of horrible forest fires in California, and I went I said, you know, you had a lot of trees standing. Yes. They were healthy trees, sir. I said, with this intense heat, that you could see they were charred a little bit on the bottom, but they were gonna be alright because they’re soaking wet because they suck up the water.
Right? But when they fall Right. They’re like you know, it’s like lighting a match. Yeah. And you gotta be able to clean they call it maintain your arya.
So I was with the head of Austria. He said, you know, it’s a shame. I see all those forest fires in California, and all they have to do is clean their forest, meaning rake it up, get rid of the leaves, get rid you know, leaves that are sitting there for 5 years and then We’ll
certainly get rid of the dead fall.
And get rid of the trees that have fallen and that, you know, are arya ai so many things this country by the way Could you rake the whole
forest though? I don’t think you could rake the whole forest.
think you get rid of the deadfall, but raking all the leaves You could certainly get rid of the dead. Okay? Yeah. I think that’s the real issue.
You know meh, they don’t wanna do that. They don’t they said, you know, it’s gotta be nature and all this stuff. But in the meantime, this this is exactly Yeah. But you could have so it was the Department of Commerce that needed the approvals, but Gavin Newsom had to sign them. I got it all done.
Nobody could believe it. It was all done. I said, I got it. You got so much water. All you have to do is ai.
And that guy didn’t wanna sign.
Did he not wanna sign because that would be a political victory for you? I think no. He didn’t no.
I don’t think so. He you know, he used to say he’s a great president, and we got along we did. We actually got along at that point, but I think somebody said, you just can’t continue to call him a great president. You know, they they do say that, But we had it all done. He didn’t ai, and then we got on to other things.
And I I every time I go to California, I said, you have so much water. They don’t know it. I’m telling you, people living in Beverly Hills, they turn off the water. Same thing with the electric. They wanna go to all electric cars, but they have brownouts every weekend. You know?
Well, right after they made the announcement that as of 2035, you’re not gonna be able to buy an internal combustion engine in California. Ai, within a month, they had some announcement asking people to not charge their Teslas. Because the grid couldn’t handle it. Well, how are you gonna
I will terminate the mandate immediately. Just the mandate. Thank you. That will be done, I would say, in my 1st day, maybe 2 days because, you know, it’s
Let me ask you about nuclear. Ai one of the things that when I’ve talked to people that, have a a real understanding of nuclear power, they what their position is, it’s probably the cleanest, safest form of electricity that we could generate. And that the fears of nuclear power are really about a few disasters.
The Fukushima, through ai island, that that these these are old systems and that they could they’re much more capable now and they’re capable of making even better systems. But it’s a difficult political issue because you think nuclear power, you think Chernobyl. That’s what everybody does. They have this connection.
They have the the potential
for Fukushima, which is Fukushima. Well, you’re not supposed to enter the land for 3000 years or something. It’s prob
I think it’s worse than that. I think that area is, like, gonna be radioactive for probably longer than you could imagine. But the the point is they’re better at it now. Right. And that they could do it now, and you can generate power in a way that you don’t have to worry about these.
One of the most ridiculous things is electric cars being powered by coal fired plants. It’s a ridiculous thing.
Yeah. It is what’s happening. And people want to think they’re being green, you know, but it’s Well,
if that you look at the way the batteries made. But here’s the other thing. We don’t have, well, we do, actually. It’s being held. You know, we have certain areas where we have great raw earth material, and we’re not allowed to use it because of the environment. And we have areas in California that have incredible raw earth, and they’re not allowing and I’m gonna open it up. I’m gonna let them use it.
But how do you do that? China. How do you do that and protect the environment?
Because the environment’s gonna be protected. You can do it. You can make a lake out of it. Okay? We’ll put back a lake. I mean, something nice about lakes. You can do things magnificently.
it carefully and responsibly. Absolutely. You have to do it carefully. But the problem you know, China has all of those arya, most of those areas. And yet, when they say go electric with the cars, Ai gonna be the one that gives us the cars. All of those guys in Detroit are gonna be out of business. You’re gonna make your electric cars over there.
We have a thing called gasoline, and we have more oil and gas under our feet than any other nation. You know, I had, in Alaska, there’s a ai. It’s called ANWR. I got it approved. Reagan couldn’t get it. Nobody could get it. I got it all done. It was amazing. They were getting ready to start drilling.
The equivalent, they think, of Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest ai in the world. It was all set to go. And Biden comes in. His one of his first orders were, we’re not gonna use it. It would have been so good for the we could have supplied all of Asia with oil and gas.
What was the shah was the negative?
The negative sai, politically, they didn’t think it was good for them. That’s all. That’s all
it was. So you don’t think that it’s environmentally dangerous?
Taking it from way down deep in the earth, environmentally would have been fine.
So it can be done responsibly. Absolutely.
Oh, otherwise, let’s ai the environment. Well, I think windmills okay. So they talk about windmills. I think windmills are really disruptive. When you talk about the environment, they kill the birds. You wanna see a bird cemetery? Go under a windmill someday that hasn’t been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses.
You it’s ai massive amounts of Well, they’re also
a massive eyesore. I I went to a ram in South Texas. We had to drive past this enormous windmill farm. It’s gross. It’s dystopian. You’re you’re looking in the left and the right, ai all you see is these big spinning machines that aren’t even that effective at generating electricity.
Most expensive form of electricity is a windmill, and then they start to rust and rot.
replace them. Abandoned by the people that built them because
have to get rid of all that material too. When you replace those blades, now you have a problem because you have to dispose. Yeah. Ai? You have to dispose these enormous windmills. And how do you dispose them?
You can’t bury them. So Ai even questioned that, but I’m not gonna get into it. But they say you can’t bury the sai you have the bryden, and you can’t bury the blades. You can bury the blades. It’s not gonna matter. You can bury you’ll find areas you sana bury. But they come up this is what I mean. They come up with this, but the environmentalist dream is windmills everywhere.
You know what happens to them? After 5 years, they start to rot. After 10 years, you have to replace them. Did you ever look at certain parts of California where they have heavy windmills and they’ve been abandoned? And they’re all different manufacturers in all different companies and they all I haven’t
It is the ugliest thing. It looks like a graveyard, almost. A graveyard of windmills. It’s pollution. It’s so bad.
It’s put it is it’s no oceans. It’s no different than leaving garbage on the ground.
How about in New Jersey? Off the coast of New Jersey, they wanna build the people are going crazy not to build them, but we have them. The whales are washing up on shore.
So in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore. Now they had, like, 18 come in the last year.
What is the what what is happening with the whales? I’ve read about this.
Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy. You know, it’s a vibration because you have those you know, those things are 50 story building, some of them. Right.
And they’re super sensitive to ai. Sana they have those
they you know, the wind is rushing. The things are blowing. It’s the ai, and it makes noise. You know what it is? I wanna be a whale psychiatrist. It drives the whales freaking crazy. Yes. If something happens with them. But for whatever reason, they’re getting washed up on shore and, you know, and yet the ai
environment over ai world. They don’t talk about it.
I think there’s nothing uglier. I see it in Scotland. I see it all over the world. You have this beautiful valley. It’s been there for, you know, in civilization 1000 of years, but 1,000,000 of years. And all of a sudden, you have these ugly windmills up.
Would your plan to be replace that with nuclear? What would you do?
Well, nuclear is better. I mean, I I think there’s a little danger to nuclear, but, you know, we had some really bad nuclear. They did one in Alabama. They did one in, I think, South Carolina. They do them wrong. They build these massive things, then the ai get in it it’s sai I don’t sana go into a long story because it’s too long for the show.
This show is too valuable to talk about concrete. But they have hardened concrete. It’s number 12 concrete. It’s a hard as it’s harder than steel. It’s incredible.
They put up a wall, an inspector comes along those lines. Nope. Nope. You’re a quarter of an inch too. The the wall might be 8 feet wide.
You’re a quarter of an inch too short. I’m sorry. You gotta rip down the wall. You gotta because it’s gotta be poured contiguously. Right?
You’re 1 quarter of an inch. I’m sorry. Rip down you can’t rip it down. This stuff, you can’t put a hammer through it. You can’t it’s it’s incredible.
Concrete technology is unbelievable what you know, what’s happened. You think of concrete So
you think that’s an example of overregulation? Yeah.
Pointless overregulation. Speak that comes along and he sai, take down a $25,000,000,000 wall. These things ended up costing $25,000,000,000 and they one of them never got opened. But here’s the story. So France does it. France is largely nuclear, and they build small, little, compact plants.
And if they need more, they build the same thing and they hook it up and they hook it up because they get too big and too complex and too expensive. And it is very clean. They say it’s it’s vatsal you know, my uncle I had a great uncle who was a great genius just like other members of my family.
But he was a professor at MIT for, I think, 41 years. He was the longest when I was in the White House, the head of a MIT, Princeton, and Harvard came down to meet me. And the MIT person said, I have a book on your uncle, doctor John Trump. He was our longest serving professor. He was a great genius, sir.
Do you know how and he had, he knew everything about nuclear. From math to chemistry to nuclear, he knew it. And he sai, someday, it’s sana be the way to go, but the problem is it’s so dangerous in terms of war. He said, Donald, someday and this was a long ai. Uncle John, doctor John Ram, he said, someday, you’ll have a little satchel at your side, and you’ll go into a building, and you’ll be able to blow up New York City.
I said, oh, come, John. That’ll never happen. He’s right. You know? He’s right.
Well, that was part of the
giving nuclear power to other countries. Right? Like, that was the problem that happened with India and Pakistan. They got nuclear power, and then they were able to weaponize it.
The biggest problem in the world today is not global warming. It’s nuclear warming. And we have idiots that are negotiating for us. We have a guy that doesn’t make it past 4 o’clock, and it’s not because of age. You know, they ought to I know so many guys in their late eighties, and they’re better than they I said to one guy the other day, I think you’re smarter than you were 25 years ago.
I’ve known him a long time. He’s 89 years old. He’s sharp as I mean, he’s great. Biden gives people a bad name because that’s not an old that’s not an age. I think they say it because I’m 3 or 4 years younger.
You know, I think that’s why they say it. They say his age. It’s not his age.
Those are not good operations.
And do you see what he did today? He went run it towards the camera and made some apology to native Meh, and, that he said that’s why he’s headed out west. Like, he’s off the reservation, so to speak, for a lack of a better term.
You know, it’s interesting because during the debate, I was, looking over. I’m saying, this is strange. It’s just sort of ai strange things were happening.
Yeah. But Well, he couldn’t keep it together, but do you think they knew he couldn’t keep it together?
think that they wanted that is that why, like, historically, that debate was earlier than they’ve been in the past.
Right? I think they wanted to get well, there’s a lot of theories. A lot of people said do the debate now and we’ll get them out. Right. I think that maybe could be.
Well, that is what happened.
to do the debate now and get it over with. Right. I don’t think anybody thought he was gonna get out, really. I don’t think make any sense. The debate the debate got him out, but but I think it’s very unfair. Look, you have a bad debate. His numbers went down, but I think she’s not doing very well right now.
Well, I’ll get to that too because it’s hard to know. Like, the whole poll thing is very bizarre for most people because most people don’t answer polls. So they read the polls, then they’ll
get the poll. Ai never called.
I was never called by a pollster. If I
did, I wouldn’t answer. I’m busy.
You know how polls are done? I I oh, I’m gonna get myself in trouble, but so I really don’t believe too much in him.
So Well, 2016 taught a lot of people about the ineffective Well,
they were very ineffective because
was doing well. I’d go to a place and I’d have 30, 40,000 people. Hillary would go. They have 500 people, and they tell me I’m gonna lose. I said, why am I gonna lose? I had 40,000 people. She had 200 people. But, you know, I have a theory. These pollsters, they charge you a lot of money too. You know, they charge you half a $1,000,000 to do some stupid poll, and they interview, like, 251 people.
I don’t think they interview in many cases. I don’t wanna get myself in too much trouble. You think
Ai. I think they sit there. They make a deal. They get a half a $1,000,000, and they say, Trump’s leading 51 to 49. They announce it, and everybody says, oh, oh. Do you understand? I’ve heard a So you think Ai don’t think they I think in a lot look. I’m a very common sense person. I think that they probably don’t always poll. Some of them probably never poll.
What’s the difference between 49 to 51 and 47 and a half?
Well, it’s also a tiny percentage of the population. I don’t think it’s representative of the overall population. I just don’t I
don’t know of one person in my whole life that ever got called by a pollster.
Exactly. That’s my point. So here’s here’s my question.
But I shouldn’t say that because I’m doing very, you know, really well in the polls. But I
So this ai, I happen to believe in a verse. I only believe of if they’re good. No. I like them this month. But, no, I I honestly believe that there’s probably a lot of fraud. I had a poll, Washington Post ABC in the Hillary thing on Wisconsin. They had me down 17 points the day before the election. I knew it was wrong because I had a rally.
I had 29,000 people at a racetrack, and it was, like, 0 degrees. Wisconsin. And they had me down 17 points. In other words, you had no chance, and I won. And I called up my pollsters. Good guy. Good good guy.
And I I believe he’s legitimate and, you know, and some of them are. Some of them are. I said, tell me, why did they have me down so much? I mean, nobody’s gonna believe them the next ai. They said they don’t care. When you’re down 17 points, people are gonna stay home. They’re not gonna vote. Right.
Because they’re gonna say, I love Trump, but I’m not gonna waste my time. It’s cold out. I said, but why don’t they make it 4 or 5? He said, at 4 or 5, they’re gonna go and vote. At 17, they’re not gonna go and vote. So it’s Think of it.
I was 7 this is a Washington Post ABC poll. I was down 17 points in Wisconsin, and I won. It’s crooked stuff.
There’s a lot of crooked stuff, and I wanted to talk about that too because one of the things that people, talk about with you is, the denial of the results. Ai think JD Vance did a brilliant job the other day when he was being interviewed, and they they asked him, did Trump lose the 2020 election?
And he turned it around and said, was there legitimate election interference in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on social media? And was that a concerted effort?
Well, they sai it made 10 point difference, and I lost by 1 one, tenth of a point.
They say it was 22,000 votes, but, look, it was much more than that. And I appreciate JD Vance saying that. And ai the way, I think he was a great pick. Do you like JD as a prop?
Yeah. You’re allowed to say that as No.
I do. I like him a lot. I think he’s ai brilliant guy. And I think his ability to talk like a normal human being. He did you did my friend Theo Vonn’s podcast.
He did great. And and he just talks
ai a normal human being. Is that why you called me to do this?
No. No. We were really kidding. I was, he was he was a nice guy. Once they shot you, I was like, he’s gotta come in here. It’s all about timing. It’s all about the timing. Timing. Timing’s perfect. Do you even have a scar arya your ear? You got anything on there? I do.
Sai ai over here. It’s a tiny little mark. It zipped right there.
Yeah. It’s it healed up pretty fucking good. Yeah. It’s pretty good. Yeah. It’s little
it’s not like, some of the wrestlers, some of the UFC fighters.
didn’t get called in Florida? No. It got it was sort of like a top shot. Mhmm. The point of the bullet was over
the edge, but you see the the the thing’s taken off a
little bit, but, it makes me a tougher guy. You know, the
fighters you know, the fighters love their
you know, Bo Nickel. He’s a great fighter.
How’s he gonna do? I think he’s true.
He’s great. He’s a fantastic fighter.
Almost, like, undefeated in college.
Still yeah. He’s a fantastic wrestler and one of the one of the best mixed martial arts.
He fighting again? I wonder
He’s fighting in Madison Square Garden in November.
Oh, that’s gonna be an inch after the election?
So I’ll either go as president, or I’ll be depressed, and I won’t bother going. Ai really yeah. I think they’re having a fight right now.
One of the things that was fascinating also was, the denial of the election results is is a pretty common thing. Hillary Clinton famously denied that she called you an illegitimate president, and she said that Russia put you in place.
Even though she conceded?
she conceded the night of the election because she was beaten.
Yes. And it was a thing that was pretty common for people, especially Democrats, to deny the elections. There’s been many of them. The Bush administration, the, you know, the dangling Chads, all that all that stuff.
Well, look at these guys in congress. All these sleazebags in congress that are democrats, they’re still denying 2016. But now they don’t so much because, you know, they try and pin it on me. You don’t hear them say But here’s my ai. They denied it right up until the end.
My point is this idea of election fraud is a forbidden topic, and you get labeled an election deny. It’s like being labeled an anti vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have from the COVID 19 shots. Oh my god. You’re anti you’re an anti vaxxer. If you say and what I say publicly, and I’ve said this a lot, it’s not 0%.
So if you ask me what is the amount of election fraud in this country, is it 0%, no one thinks it’s 0%. I’ve never met one person not a super liberal progressive far left person or a a right wing conservative. Not one person thinks it’s 0%. They think when you have human beings and, also, you have a lot of weirdness that was going on during the 2020 elections, particularly with mail in ballots.
And you had legislatures that had to approve, and they didn’t approve, and they went out and did it anyway. And you had ballot you had old fashioned ballot screwing. I mean, you had Right. You have people going up and dropping in phony votes? You had unsigned ballots, etcetera, etcetera.
There’s certain people that think they ai
and there’s the rhetoric is also that you’re Tyler. And that Yeah. That’s true. To stop Hitler, you have do whatever it is.
Yeah. And this is I mean, you’re hearing this now. Kamala compared you to sai your love of Hitler yesterday. It’s did
Kamala is a very low IQ person. She’s a very low IQ. You know, I’m for taking tests too. I think anybody that runs for president should take they should give them tests. And it’s not an age thing. It’s not based if you look back on history, seventies eighties, your greatest some of your greatest leaders in the world, world history, long time world history, They were in their seventies and their eighties.
But I think you should take cognitive tests. I think everybody they say it’s unconstitutional, but I think
I think Congolese should have a test because there’s something missing. There’s something wrong with her.
Well, I think it’s pressure. I think the pressure and the scrutiny you’ve been a celebrity for a long time, and you understand what this is like. But for someone who’s in her late forties who becomes the vice president, who runs for president, becomes the vice president, and then all of a bryden, the weight of the world is on your shoulders, and there’s all these people paying.
But you either have it or you don’t. Correct. Look. This is an interview. You’ve we’ve covered a lot of territory. Right? And and, you know, it’s fine. I don’t care. I want to. I think it’s much more interesting. She to do an interview with, Anderson Cooper, a softball crazy softball interview.
She took 2 days off, and she studied and studied all day long, and then she comes out with a result that was a real embarrassment. That was a really bad interview. She couldn’t answer a question, and every question’s not answered. I mean, like, what would you do your first day in office? Okay.
I’ll build a wall. I won’t build a wall. I’ll do there’s a 100 things you can say. Just say anything. Right? There’s something off with her.
Well, I’ll tell you. Joe, we’re dealing with the smartest people. They hate when I say you know, when the press when I call president Xi, they said, he called president Xi brilliant. Well, he’s a brilliant guy. He controls 1,400,000,000 people with an iron fist. I mean, he’s a brilliant guy whether you like it or not, and they go crazy.
Right. It doesn’t mean he’s not evil or it doesn’t mean he’s not Yeah. Of course not. Dangerous.
But but, actually, we have evil people in our country. Yes. If you have a smart president, he can deal with Russia. He can deal with all of it. I had a I Russia would have never gone into Ukraine if I were president.
How would you have stopped it?
He automatic. 2 things. I told him. I said, Vladimir, you’re not going in. I used to talk to him all the time. You’re not going in. I can’t tell you what I told him because I think it would be inappropriate, but someday he’ll tell you. But he would have never gone in. But you know why else he wouldn’t have gone in? Oil prices at $40 a barrel wouldn’t have allowed him wouldn’t have given him the money to prosecute that war.
Wouldn’t have given him the money. I said it with president I was with president Xi. I said it was almost the same conversation. With Vladimir, it was Moscow. With President Xi, it was Beijing. It was almost the exact same conversation. I said, don’t do it. He would have never done it.
The day I left, they flew 28 bombers over the middle of Taiwan. 28 bombers. And it’s the apple of his ai, and the same thing with Russia. It’s the apple Ukraine is the apple of his eye. I used to talk to him. I had a very good relationship with him. He wouldn’t have done it.
He would have never done it. But he also wouldn’t have done it because of the you know, one of the reasons that what happened is, number 1, he doesn’t respect Biden at all. Not even a little bit. And who the hell would? But he doesn’t respect him.
But when he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how horribly that was handled, number 1, you take the soldiers out last, not first. Okay? That was their big mistake. And we had that thing charted out, and they weren’t obeying us. They weren’t, Abdul is the head of the Taliban. Boom. Boom. He had to do all these things.
Some, he didn’t do. I said, nope. You’re not doing you gotta do them all. This guy took he immediately took all he left the equipment ai. Thirteen soldiers dead, but he took everybody out. He took his soldiers out before. A child would know. That’s why Milley was so stupid. He was such a stupid ai.
Milley. Okay. Those generals should have all been ai. The Afghan the people that were involved with Afghanistan should have all been fired. Then they’d be writing books about him, how stupid he was, how bad he was. But you take your soldiers out last.
I had a a big ram, and I saw a child in the front row, about a year and a half ago. And I called the child up. I said, do you mind if I borrow your child? Oh, meh, please. And they came up. Kids ai year I gave them quick details. You know?
I said, we sana get out of this place, and we have this, and we have this, and we have the equipment. I gave them a little thing. I said, do you take your soldiers out first or last after everything’s done? You take them out last, sai. A child would know that.
We took our soldiers out first. What was your plan? And we left a bag room.
Well, not only that. We left 1,000,000,000 of dollars worth of equipment and military vehicles that they use for parades now.
The best equipment meh to embarrass us. The best equipment in the world.
The Taliban parade where there got got tanks rolling down the streets and Blackhawks flying is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.
fact, we left all that stuff there.
Equipment in the world behind.
What would you have done differently?
Well, number 1, we would have taken it out. Just so you just go back a little bit further. I had a couple of conversations with Abdul. And from the time I had those conversations because they were shooting our soldiers, you know, with the sniper stuff. They were shooting they were shooting a lot of them.
They were shooting a lot with Obama, much less with me, but they were shooting him. And I said, get this guy on the phone. The press went nuts when they heard this. I had a great conversation with it was a tough conversation. 18 months later, there wasn’t one soldier that was ever shot at. And even Biden admitted it in a moment of stupidity because he shouldn’t admit it.
His people went nuts. He said, yeah. Well, I will admit no soldier we we didn’t have a soldier killed in 18 months in Afghanistan. Not one soldier was killed because he understood what was gonna happen if that happened. I didn’t have one so then when I left, after having gotten more votes than any sitting president in the history of the country and much more votes than he got in 2016.
When I left, they started shooting our soldiers. But more importantly, what they did is they did that whole thing with, you know, leaving he shouldn’t have left, number 1, should have left from Bagram because Bagram’s this massive base. It’s got tremendous acreage around it. Tremendous. It’s a very big it was built many years ago.
And part of the reason you wouldn’t have taken that is because it goes to Ai. One hour from where China makes its nuclear missiles, you should have never left Bagram. Number 1, they should have left from Bagram. They should have left last. They should have got you know, we have Americans that are still there. They should have taken all their equipment out.
Everything should every plane, every screw should have been taken out, every tent. And I said that that’s when I realized that Milley was a dummy. I said, we’re leaving, but I sana get everything out. Sir, it’s cheaper to leave it. I said,
what do you mean? It’s cheaper
to leave it? Yeah. He said it’s cheaper to leave it. That was just Cheaper. Cheaper. He said it’s cheaper.
He just said cheaper. I said, I want every plane. I want every tank. I want the goggles. They have night goggles. They have all this stuff that these guys now have. He said, sir, it’s cheaper to get out and leave it. I said, so you think it’s cheaper to leave a $150,000,000 brand new airplane in there than it is to fly it out with a tank of jet fuel and put it in Pakistan or just fly it directly back.
It’s cheaper to live. I said, this guy’s nuts. I’m telling you. He was so stupid. He was so unwise. He was like an unwise meh.
And there were a number of them. But I defeated ISIS with the greatest generals. I had a guy who was so great. I flew to Iraq, and I met the real generals, not these idiots that we deal with. And we knocked out you know, I defeated a 100% of the ISIS caliphate. They said it would take 5 years.
I did it in a matter of a few literally a few weeks, and we hit them hard. And he said, sir, we’re gonna hit him here. We’re gonna hit him there. We’re gonna hit him here, there. And I said, this guy’s great. I like this guy. I was told it would take 5 years.
That’s why I went. I said, how could it take 5 years? We have brand new fighters. We have the best planes, the best weapons, the best guns, the best bombs. How could it possibly take that long?
And I flew to, I flew and left at 3 o’clock in the morning. Nobody knew I was going. I got on Air Force 1 and we started flying. And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was, big airport, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I’m sorry you’ll have to turn off all your lights.
Why? We’re getting close to our ai, our land. I said, you mean we spent $8,000,000,000,000 shah we can’t leave the ai? Sai think of this, 20 years, $8,000,000,000 shah we can’t leave the lights on in a plane. I said, that’s okay. Turn the lights on. I’m not gonna fight them.
This is because it’s too dangerous?
Yeah. Too dangerous because they see the light up in the air.
at. They shoot at. You know? So, I said, turn the lights on. Then they said, so we’re gonna also pull your shades if that’s okay. So that’s okay. The plane was pitch black. All the lights outside, you know, the blinking the glowing the blinking reds, they were all turned off.
And I like to sit with pilots a lot of ai, and these guys are specimens. I ai say they’re better looking than Tom Cruise. Okay? And they’re even tyler. Like perfect specimens. These ai, like, for a fighter, you know, you have some guys that are perfect specimens. Right.
And, you know, they speak they pick the best pilots in the Air Force, United States Air Force, to fly Air Force 1. And I get up there, and I’m sitting and and I’m feeling my way up. You know, it’s up like a 747, so you go through the stairs, but I ai of knew my way up. There wasn’t a light in the plan.
I’m saying, can you imagine? We spent 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars and we’re trying to fly in blind. But I got into the plane. The cockpit is dark black. Little ai light. You could see the pilot. A perfect looking human being. His co ai. Everybody was perfect. They were all like movie stars.
You know, it’s ai, I coulda cast a movie with these guys and nobody would believe it because they were too good looking. So I said, how we doing, Kim? Sir, we’ll be landing in 10 minutes. And I ai outside. There’s not a light and I’m see you know, I’ve landed a lot of planes.
Ai and you see, like, little lights, at least. There’s nothing. It’s just pure desert. And I said, okay, captain. Good, but I’m looking.
Now we’re did you you’ve been in many places where it has the computer, so Ai saying 1,000 feet. Mhmm. ai goes 1,900. It’s a computer voice, but it sounds like but it’s sai incredible voice. 700. I said, captain, are we okay? I’m look are we okay, captain? There’s no lights.
And I’m looking you know, normally, when you land a plane because I sit
I think it’s great. I think it’s a great profession, everything. It’s a great they’re incredible. These machines are incredible. He said, sir, we’re fine. No problem, sir. I said, you know, I’m glad. I don’t see the lights up there, captain. Sure. We’re okay. You know? Sai, I mean, I’m exaggerating a little bit.
You know, prob probably exaggerating, it’ll tell the story. They’ll say, Trump was a coward Subsitting with I mean, he goes, ai and I’m sai and I’m telling you, there wasn’t a light on the runway. Nothing. And we’re going in. You okay, Cap? Everything good? Yes, sir. No problem. We’ll be down in about 1 minute, sir.
And I’m telling you, Joe, you know, there’s always a
There’s not a little pin. And all of a sudden, pshh. And you hear, shah meh. Perfect landing ai glass. That’s how good I mean, these guys, between the equipment and the it’s genius. It’s pure it was so dark. You couldn’t see a thing. There was no runway. You wouldn’t know where the hell you are. You’re in the middle of a desert. And then I got out of the plane. I said, thank you, captain.
It’s a great job. And then I meh out of the plane and I’m going down and I see a general and another general. And I see a staff sergeant, a drill sergeant, and the various ai. All central casting. Central casting. They said, sir, would you like to rest?
I said, I don’t sana rest. I want to figure out what the hell are we doing with ISIS. I’m hearing we we can’t it’s gonna take years. No, sir. We can do it very quickly, sir. Anyway, we go into the room.
We go in I mean, Biden would’ve taken a nap for 4 days and then left without a meeting. So we go into the room and just they have these guys. I say, how long can you do it? How long? We can do it in a couple of weeks, sir. I said, wait a minute. They told me 5 years. We can do it in I don’t know.
He gave me a number ai, woah. Like, just like in no time. I said, why haven’t you done it? Because the orders came in for Washington, sai, and they would come here and tell us what to do. Don’t you challenge us? We’re not allowed to do that, sir.
That’s not the military way. They tell us what to do, and we have to respect them. I ai.
So do you think that it was incompetence why they didn’t go after ISIS?
I think it’s a bad system. You know, when Mattis goes there or when Milley goes there who’s stupid and they tell these guys that are actually smart what to do, and the guys that are smart are saying we don’t like what they’re doing, but they’re not allowed to sort of counteract.
Plus, the guys that went there are arrogant. You know, they’re arrogant fools. They’re like stupid fools. The way they pulled out of, you know, the way they as an example, the way they pulled out of Afghanistan with the people falling off the plane. So it was sai it was it was worse than Vietnam with the helicopters falling. It was so bad. There was no reason for it.
Anyway, so we knocked them out. And, I mean, we have great military. We have great people, but not the television guys. And I rebuilt the military, and then they gave a chunk of it. Now you have to tell, as much as it is, it’s a tiny little piece, believe it or not. We have an I rebuilt the military. I rebuilt our nuclear.
And in a way, I hated to redo it, but I got to realize how powerful that nuclear is. Joe, one bomb Israel is gone, but forget. One bomb could take out the entire East Coast. It’s so bad. And I watch these poor fools talking about our oceans will rise 1 eighth of an inch over the next 500 years. I mean, we have people, we have countries.
Right now, you have 5 countries. And don’t underestimate North North if you take a look at North Korea, they’re nuke I was there. I mean, I was with Kim Jong. I had a great I got along great with him. You know, the president, shah got along great. That’s a good thing.
It’s not a bad thing. It’s a great thing. Obama thought we were gonna go to war with North Korea. When I met with Obama just prior to the takeover, you know, you meh, you have it’s a sort of a ceremonial meeting. But it lasted a long time, a lot longer than it was supposed to last. I said, what’s the biggest problem? He said, North Korea.
By the time I finished, I was we we had no problem with North Korea. We were really it was a little tough at the beginning. Remember? Mhmm. He said, I have a red button on my desk. I said, I have a red button also, but mine’s bigger than yours and mine works.
I like how you call them little rocket man.
I said I said, yeah, little rocket. I said, little rocket man, you’re gonna burn in hell, and it was a rough Yeah. Oh, so rough that people were worried. This is crazy. And then one day, I got a call, sort of like a fight. I got a call. You know, you ever sai a pounding and then all of a sudden but I got a call, and it was from him, meaning his people, they wanted to meet.
They wouldn’t meet Obama. He tried to meet. They wouldn’t even talk to him about it. And I think he expected to go to war. Ai actually do.
I believe he expected to go. And we checked the nuclear stockpile. It is substantial. I mean, it’s that’s I said, do you do anything I got to know him very well. I got to know him better than anybody. Anybody.
And I said, do you ever do anything else? Why don’t you go take it easy and relax? Go to the beach. You have beautiful beach nice beachfront property. You know, kidding me. I said, you’re always building nuclear. Just relax. You don’t have to do it. Let’s build some condos on your shoreline. They actually have gorgeous stuff.
And he said, Ai just have to do it because I need it for my safety, etcetera. I got to know him very well. We had no problem with him. If you have a smart problem if you have a smart a really the right president, a smart president, you’re not sana have a problem. And I say it to people. We have a bigger problem, in my opinion, with the enemy from within, and it drives them crazy when I use that term.
But we have an enemy from within. We have people that are really bad people that I really think sana make this country unsuccessful. When you look at what’s happening at our border, Joe, when you have people coming in that when when other countries are allowed to empty their prisons into our country with murderers, We had 13,099 ai dropped in our country over the last 3 years.
And 15,000 rapists convicted.
Rapists? Yeah. Drug dealers, drug lords.
Just the ones that have been accounted for.
Correct. People from mental institutions.
shah to be? To hundreds of thousands of major criminals tougher and worse than anybody we have. These are
We’re seeing the consequences of it. In San Antonio, they take over apartment buildings. In Aurora, Colorado, they take over apartment buildings. These Venezuelan gangs
What what do you think the strategy is? You know, one of the things that they’ve said is that you, stopped a bill from being passed. But didn’t that bill also include amnesty for the people that are already here?
Yeah. This is years after the fact. The damage was already done.
But what was the bill? What was the problem?
2,000,000 people in. They were gonna get amnesty. It was a horrible bill. It didn’t protect us at all.
But we should just tell people what the strategy is. So one of the things that
I’ve been doing is their strategy.
One of the things that’s been very clear is that they’ve moved a large percentage of these migrants that coming across the border illegally. They’ve moved them to swing states. Ai, this is what’s going on with Springfield, Ohio.
Right? They’re in swing states? Well, that’s not a swing state. I’m gonna win Ohio by a lot. So that’s not a swing. But it’s called Springfield, Ohio to be exact. And Yeah. Springfield, Ohio is this very nice community of 52,000 people that just had 32,000 migrants that don’t speak the language dropped into their community. You can’t get into a hospital.
You can’t get into a school. It’s gone from a beautiful little place to a horror show. And the mayor is a nice guy. And the mayor says, we’re looking for interpreters. I said, no. You’ve gotta remove them and bring them back to their country. Mostly Haitians in this case.
But they speak no they speak no language. They speak no
In fact, even the language they do speak, it’s I mean, they can’t get interpreters. They can’t do anything. And the mayor’s trying to be politically correct. They’re all trying to be. In Aurora, Colorado, you have the the worst probably the worst gang. MS 13 might even be you know, those 2 are the worst gangs.
These are Venezuela gangs. They have taken over apartment complexes, and they’re gonna wanna take over the whole thing. And you have a weak governor, pathetic governor, who’s a radical left Democrat. He doesn’t know what the hell to do. But you have it in many other communities, but they don’t like to talk about it because it’s, you know, it’s bad for the community to talk about it.
These people have been meh in here by this imbecile. She’s, a and I mean it. She’s a low IQ person. Low Ai. Right.
But it’s also it’s obviously not just her. There’s there’s a there’s a strategy that’s involved in letting people
Well, she’s in charge of the border, but they also they they utilize that app. The app that used to be used. It used to be used, Ai think, essentially wasn’t it for shipping? Wasn’t it when people were in this country? It
was used for shipping, and now it’s used to deal with the cartels. The cartel heads of the cartel, rich people, by the way. These are loaded. These people have so much money. They would call up think of this. They call up the app, and the app tells them where they should take their load of illegal migrants from the Congo.
You know, we have a lot from the Congo. Prisons in the Congo. Ai made a little bit of sai sarcastic joke. A man named Dana White, who you love, who I love. I assume you love Love
I think he’s in a class ai him. He’s
probably the reason why you’re here.
He’s one of the big ones.
He is the greatest guy. I love You know, I always sai, every nobody’s indispensable. You know, everybody can be replaced. Maybe you can’t be you might not be. But they know what truly I don’t think you know, the things they sold it for 4,000,000,000? I said, what a hell who the hell is gonna pay 4,000,000,000?
And they made, like, a great deal. I mean Yeah.
It’s pretty awesome. That now. Take him out. I think it’s a whole different way.
He and he’s also the greatest guy. He spoke at meh at the whole thing with, you know, I had just been shah, and he got up and he spoke so better than anybody. I mean, who would be better to introduce you? I asked of all the people, and I know this biggest people in the world, and they all would have loved to have done it.
I said, Dana, would you do it? You know, it was interesting. He was away. And he said to the people that you know, one of my guys called and said, I won’t be able to do it. I’m gee, I just left with my wife and family. I said, he said, no. Yeah. I was a little surprised even though I knew he was very far away.
He was in some place of, you know, and and he deserved it with his family, you know, the whole thing. And then I said, alright. Vatsal let’s enter. So we’ll look at who we’re gonna get. And all of a sudden, she comes in.
Sir Dana White just said he’s going to do it, and he’s coming back in tonight. He’s taking it. But, you know, the guy is just a incredible ai, and he’s ai a tough champion, but loyal. Yeah. He’s gotta be one of your favorite people.
death. I’ve been friends with him for 23 years. I love him.
So would you have, because you what you’re doing here is incredible. I mean, everybody tells meh. All I know is today, I’m going you know, you’re in Joe Rogan take. People are telling meh, like, I said I say, how the hell do you know that? But it’s it’s sort of what you’ve done here is amazing. Where would you be if you didn’t do the UFC stuff? Would you have this show, do you think?
I would still be doing it for sure. Yeah.
Would it be at the same would it be at the same level? I don’t know. But you would have to
It’s hard to know. I think, you know, one of the things that works for this show, I guess, is that I I’m involved in so many different things. You know, stand up comedy, UFC, and all the interest that I have that lead to the podcast.
Will you always wanna do you first of all, you love UFC.
You love the fights. I mean, I watch you. You are loving it. They could pay you nothing. It’d be very
They didn’t pay me anything for the first, like, 13 shows. I did it for free because they were hemorrhaging money. And I became friends with Sana, and ai my position was you’re gonna give me the best seat in the house. I get to sit cage side for the fights. Ai go do it, and I wanted to help.
I was ai, I think these are the guys that we had always hoped for
the sport. I started working for the the company in 1997. I was the before the UFC was purchased by Ai, which Dana worked
So I I was a part of the previous owners. And I only did it for a couple of years. It was just too much and I was losing money. And it was banned from cable because of, Budweiser and John McCain, and you could only get it on DirecTV. And so
then Ai came along and I gave him the sights.
He he loves you for that. He talks
about it all the time. Just interrupt you for one sec. So he they couldn’t get a sight because it was too dangerous. Right. And everybody was against it, and they couldn’t get ai. And I gave them the first 2 or 3 sides.
And they were great. And ai the way, I went to the first fight. I said Ai never saw anything like this. It was crazy. It was so good. Take the best fight you’ve ever it was like that fight. Right? It was so good ai it gave it to me again and again, and all of a bryden, it caught on.
But, you know, when I wasn’t in vogue you know, I’ve had tyler. You probably never had a time, but I had times when I wasn’t exactly in vogue. Dana, they called him. He said he’s the greatest guy. There’s nobody like he said, I’ll never say anything bad about that guy because when I need it because they were having a hard time at the beginning.
They almost pulled the plug a couple of times. Right? He said he stood up and he gave us stuff that nobody else gave us and nobody wanted anything to do. And he said, I will never and there was a time where it would have been very popular for him to say bad stuff about me. He said the greatest stuff about me. He said, you’re gonna try and get me to say bad stuff about Ram. I’m never doing it.
A perfect guy to be at the helm of something so controversial Yeah. As the UFC.
Less controversial now. I ai
Well, now it’s huge. Yeah. Well, this was always the thing that I would hope that it would be I always knew that it was unbelievably entertaining, but I just didn’t know if maybe I was crazy. Maybe I loved it because I’ve had this long history of being involved in martial arts and maybe, like, other people just think it’s too ai.
Yeah. Boxing’s still a great sport. I love boxing.
But it seems to be so unimportant now by comparison to UFC. Don’t you think?
Ai think well, you know, Dana is working with, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. They’re they’re gonna start promoting boxing now. And with Dana at the helm of it, I think boxing could return because the thing is they wanna make fights that other peep maybe, you know, promoters don’t wanna make because they wanna protect their ai.
Controversial fights where, you know, it’s dangerous. Like, you don’t know this guy could lose. And so the Saudis, they’re smart. They just offer a tremendous amount of money, and they’re putting together fighter fights that no one else could put together. They’re doing that in boxing.
If Dana’s involved, he’ll probably make it good. You know meh amazing thing, though, the the in ai, no UFC fighter, they say, has ever ai, and it looks to be much more violent than box. Many boxers have died. Isn’t it interesting? And Dana tells me because they take so many shots to the face.
Yes. And there’s also no other options to preserve yourself, to protect yourself. So if you get hit in a UFC fight, you can clinch. You can try to take the fight to the ground. You have options. Also, you don’t get allowed to get knocked down and then get back up. When you get knocked down, you’re concussed. And, generally, you know, if a ai really hurt, they could be finished in in on the ground and the fight’s over.
If it’s boxing, you have 10 seconds to get up. You get up, your head kinda clears,
still in real bad trouble, and then you can kinda run away and survive until the bell rings. Yeah. There are only 3 minute rounds, and then you start again. So you’re getting repeated punishment to the head. Yeah. You know? And then there’s also the issue of guys weight cutting, you know, which is a problem with the UFC as well.
But weight cutting in boxing has led to if you look at deaths in boxing, there’s very few of them in the heavyweight division. Most of the deaths in boxing are the lighter weight divisions because when guys dehydrate themselves to to lose to lose weight, to make weight, their brain is the last thing that gets rehydrated.
Like, it’s very difficult to completely rehydrate your brain quickly, and you only have 24 hours between the weigh in and the fight. And it used to be the weigh ins were the day of the fight. Like, when when Boom Boom Mancini had a fight with Dook Koo Kim and killed him in the ring, which is one of the last ones on television that we’ve seen.
That was a crazy event for people and heartbreaking, and it led to a bunch of different changes. One of them is day before weigh ins to allow people to rehydrate better, and the other one is they dropped it from 15 rounds down to 12.
Which look. They should do that ai. You know, I’m not I’m not the fighter, so but those 15 round fights were unbelievable.
They were unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. You go back
Yeah. In terms of entertainment
Those were the the championship reps. Those were the greatest ai.
Those last three rounds were crazy.
I mean, it’s such a war of attrition. You know, a lot of people think even, like, a 5 round UFC ai. That that UFC is 5 minute rounds. It’s so much energy you’re burning out. And those last couple of rounds, those 5 round fights, the 4th and the 5th round, unbelievably brutal.
Who’s the greatest UFC fighter in you are you allowed to sai? In your opinion, it’s tough for you to say because you do this, but who do you think is the greatest of the fighters?
There’s there there’s a lot of arguments for who’s the greatest of all time. You know, John Jones, most people would say is the greatest of all time, never lost. It’s sai there’s certainly a really good argument for that. There’s another argument for George Sai. Pierre. I always leave in BJ Penn in his prime, Anderson Silva in his prime, you know, Ai Mouse. People forget about Mighty Mouse because, unfortunately, he’s a smaller guy.
He’s a £125, flyweight champion. He’s one of the greatest expressions of mixed martial arts I’ve ever seen. I think to this day
Khabib is fantastic. But if you looked at, like, accomplishments in terms of championship fights, Khabib retired 29 and o, but he didn’t have his
many problems in the last fight. They say
He might have lost, to Glayson Tibau. He might have lost to him.
Might have lost a round. And, oh, that was a controversial fight where people think that Glayson Tibau could have even got the decision in that fight. I’d have to go back and watch it again to make a decision. But,
Oh, the best athletes in the world. And the the most dangerous sport in terms of, ai, it’s I always call it high level problem solving with dire physical consequences.
You know, I I’d never forget. So there was a fighter named James Saloni.
Oh, yeah. I love James Tony.
He fought as a very light fighter, and he ended up as a heavyweight. I mean, this guy went through everything. He was almost like a lightweight.
He went from middleweight all the way up to heavyweight. Yeah. And and And Peter Vander Holyfield is a heavyweight.
And he was a real fighter.
So James Saloni and I think it was, Sai George
Saint Pierre. I think it was him. Who did he fight? James Tony?
No. James Toney didn’t fight George again.
Yeah. Randy Couture fought James Toney. Was it Randy Couture? Ai. That was a very easy fight. Randy Couture just took him down
and swaddled. The most, and he’s half the size. And he just once he got to the ankles, in fact, the announcer said, it’s over. Yeah.
And he put him took him down, mounted him, strangled him. It was pretty
large. He was nice, but he was talking big because he was much bigger. He ai a pretty big guy.
James just wanted to make some money.
Yeah. And I never forgot it. It was
it was over very quickly. He was ai, sleeping on the mat, and he was talking. You know, he was doing the Muhammad Ali stuff, but it didn’t work out. But I remember
Yeah. That was Couture, probably. Yeah.
It was Couture. George never fought a boxer in an MMA fight. If he did, he would kill them.
George Was he one of the greatest?
Yes. Unquestionably. That’s the the argument, there’s, like, a handful of guys you can make the argument is the greatest of all time. People forget about Anderson Silva. In his prime, he was unstoppable. It’s but that’s the thing is.
there’s Fedor Emilienko who fought bryden in his prime. He was unstoppable. There’s there’s this And
you have a couple now that are pretty good?
Oh, we’ve got so many now. Alex Pereira. There’s there’s an argument that he’s the
top pound fighter in the world right now. Good. Yeah.
He’s in he’s unbelievable. But it’s ai fighters can only compete at that level for so many years. And so ai opinion, you have to judge them at their very peak. You can’t judge them when they’re hanging on and still fighting. You can’t judge them when they’re coming up. You gotta judge them in that championship peak.
In that championship peak, there’s a handful of guys that you would consider at the very top.
If they stopped a little bit sooner Yeah. Some of them would have had you know, I mean, there are a couple of that you just mentioned without mentioning names. And they stopped at the perfect they were unbelievable. And then at a certain age, they start getting knocked out. Right?
Yes. It’s unfortunate, but the thing is that same belief in themselves that lets them become a champion makes them think that they can do it long past the time that they actually can.
Well, Anderson Silver was essentially unbeatable. Mhmm. And then he lost to Kloswinn, then all of a sudden he had
to No. He got knocked out. He got knocked out by Chris Weidman.
He was kinda clowning in that fight famously and click Chris Weidman had a vicious left hook, knocked him out. And then they fought a second time, and he broke his leg on Chris Weidman.
And after that fight, he was kind of never the same because that that leg break injury, which Conor McGregor had there’s quite a few fighters
ai one. Actually wound up having the same injury, ironically. There’s only been, like, 4
or 4. The same because you can’t kick.
The same. Well, you can. Weidman is still kicking with that leg. You can, but psychologically, when you throw a kick and your leg snaps in half and you’re in agony for a year, right, you have to get surgery. You have to get bolts and plates to keep your leg together, and then it takes forever for it to heal.
It always amazes me how the kicker I mean, you have those cases, but the kicker will do tremendous damage to somebody’s leg, but their leg doesn’t seem to get damaged, isn’t it?
Totally amazing. It hurts.
Yeah. But your shin you you you your shin gets very numb after a while. And ai that are really good kickers, they’re kicking the thigh and they’re kicking the calf. They’re kicking soft arya, and they’re slamming this hard numb shin. Right. Their shin gets all these, like, micro fractures all over the shin and it calcifies. Oh, wow. Like, these guys can kick baseball bats.
shins? Yeah. I’ve ai that.
baseball bats. Someone will hold
the baseball bat and then
just kick right through them. But you got your enthusiasm now. Right? Yeah. And it’s ai,
that’s why you’re good at what that’s why you nobody does this better. That without the enthusiasm, forget it.
Well, it has to be authentic. Like, that I mean, the only reason why I do MMA commentary is because I I’m very interested in it for real. It’s I’m not I don’t have to manufacture it. I’m very interested.
So Ai you love going in there after the fight, and they’re sweating all over you. They’re slapping all over you. You’re beautiful. They’re bleeding off.
Sometimes their nose is exploding
a little bit? Yeah. Like No. 2 weeks ago with the ai was he I never saw it. He Neil
He kept more stuff came out of his nose?
Yes. It was pretty nasty, but, no, I’m very used to it. I just wanted him
So back to you and back to what what are you and to first of all, I love this idea of you teaming up with Robert Kennedy.
And I love this make America healthy again Yep. Idea because there are chemicals and ingredients in our food that are illegal in other countries because they’ve been shown to be toxic. There’s pesticides and herbicides, and there’s a lot of shit that’s been sprayed on our food that really is unnecessary.
And there’s a lot of health consequences that people are suffering from a lot of these things. And 2
this chart for you. Beautiful. Because I had a feeling you’d be asking me.
Look at this chart. These are healthier countries. Look where the United States is. I’m gonna send this to RFK Junior.
Sai this is, well, something along the I was actually talking to RFK today, and he told me that more than 70% of young men are ineligible for the military because of their health.
The life expectancy verse versus health expenditure.
Same chart. Yeah. Did you see that?
Yeah. That’s pretty good.
at that. Look at the USA.
It’s not good. And that’s our food.
That’s our diet. That’s that’s sedentary lifestyle. That’s our diet. That’s our diet. That’s the chemicals we ingest. That’s what that is.
But RFK is gonna be very you know, I I think he’s a great guy.
I think he’s the fact that you guys teamed up. Yeah. And are you guys are you com completely committed to have him a part of your administration?
Oh, I am. But the only thing I sana be a little careful about with him is, the environmental. Because, you know, he doesn’t like oil. I love oil, I guess. I think, you know, I think Just keep him out of that. To ai. So I’m gonna sort of keep him out of a little I said, focus on health. Yeah. You can do whatever you want.
But, Ai gotta be a little bit careful with, the liquid gold. You know?
I understand. But listen. There’s plenty of good work that could be done if you focus on health.
Here’s the one that here’s the one that my all time favorite, though. What is that? See the arrow right here? That’s what I left. Do you
have anyone that is pressuring you to not work with him? Have have there been
RFK Junior. Yes. Yes. I would imagine. Because financially, he can put a dent.
I would say that and, you know, the I think in many ways, they’ve done a good job. In many ways, they’ve done a bad job. But I would say that the, Big Pharma wasn’t thrilled when they heard that, you know, I haven’t really I’ve actually always gotten along very well with him.
I’ve known him a long time. He’s a different kind of a guy. He’s very smart, great ai, and he’s very sincere about this. I mean, he really is you know, he thinks we we spend a fortune on pesticides ai all this stuff, and then you end up at that chart is a terrible chart, the one previous.
It’s such a bad chart when you look at where we are compared to other countries that don’t spend 10¢.
Sai, you know, and you save a lot of money. But, yeah, we I’ve had some people that aren’t exactly thrilled. You can imagine. Right? Sure. It’s a good question, actually.
Well, certainly, if there have bryden some pharmaceutical drugs that have been prescribed that have negative consequences that these people have been profiting off of, and then you have a guy like RFK Junior who spends an enormous amount of time highlighting those things. You could say how they’ve been very reluctant to have you support him.
I would say that’s an understatement.
Yeah. So how what do you do to stop that from getting in the way?
Well, look. They’ve come up with some amazing things. I mean, I don’t know how you feel. I I know you’re against the vaccine certain vaccines, but ai the polio vaccine, people had polio, they were it was like a disaster. And they came up, doctor Salk, and he came up with a vaccine, and there’s no polio.
Now very interesting, there hasn’t been polio, but now in the Gaza Strip, can you believe that? Have you heard that? There’s been a big strain of polio coming out in the Gaza Strip.
Is it vaccine derived polio? Because, you know, there’s there’s a strain of polio that comes directly from the vaccine because, unfortunately, sometimes we vaccinate people for polio.
Oh, I ai. Yeah. I haven’t heard of that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all I can do is I sit down and I listen to him and let’s and I’ll give it a total I would love him to be right because it’s if he’s right, it’s a lot less expensive, generally.
There’s 2 things that people point to when they point to, the the dangers of, the pharmaceutical drug industry. One thing is when pharmaceutical drugs were allowed to advertise on television. We’re only one of 2 countries in the world that allow pharmaceutical drugs to advertise on TV. Mhmm.
The other one’s New Zealand, but they’re they’re more restrictive than we are. People are But
those ads those ads when you hear, like, you know, take a certain drug And
the nonsense causes. It causes cancer and baldness would ai baldness.
That and the ai, and you can lose your vision. Yeah. And, you know, I just I actually asked one of these ai. I would never take I mean, because there’s things that are so bad. They go through a whole list. I guess they save some ai, but, man, I said, does that affect the purchase? Or they say it really does.
When they when there’s something you have and you bryden, and then they go through the list of
The potential ai. It’s not even the potential side effects. Right. I mean, a lot of people are just I I asked that question. People hear that. When I hear it, I I’m gonna take a passage that says, may affect your vision, may cause ai. May this Yes. And but
Well, I know you’re aware of Callie and Casey Means. Right?
Well, one of one of the things that they pointed out, and this is a very important thing for people to understand, is what a lot of these drugs do is they they act to to somehow or another mitigate the effects of poor metabolic health.
But most of these problems that these people are suffering from wouldn’t exist if we put an emphasis on metabolic health. If people got healthier, they started eating nutritious food and taking ai, a whole host of these problems that people are having would go away. And the problem with that ram the pharmaceutical drug standpoint is they wouldn’t be able to sell drugs to these people, And this is
a fear that pesticides and things like that on the plants and Yeah. What do you think of that?
It’s terrible. Well, I think regenerative agriculture, unfortunately, is very difficult to scale to a point where you got a jack in the box on every corner. Right.
If everybody wants food and we have food deserts and we have places like Los Angeles where no one’s growing every anything, and everything has to be shipped in. And it’s very difficult to feed that many people. We’ve created this incredible society where we have these enormous cities, but it’s in it’s very difficult to get food to these people.
And then for a lot of these people in low income areas, the only food that’s available is cheap, unhealthy food.
And we could fix that. That that’s if we could send a $175,000,000,000 to Ukraine, we could do something to fix a lot of the health problems that the United States sai. And I think it would it would help us as a nation overall. Just if you just put it out there that, hey. As a nation, we’re gonna make a concerted effort to get people healthier.
And people start making better choices.
Well, when you look at that chart, I I was It’s crazy. I just they just gave me that chart because they said you meh wanna discuss this topic, which I know is a big topic for you. And when I looked at that chart and I looked at how unhealthy we are as a nation, that’s a that’s a pretty big thing.
Is it golf? No. It’s genetics, I believe. You know, I’m a big Genetics
I I really am. I mean, my father was,
is Unfortunately, it is a big factor for health. So some people are just way more robust, but you do play golf a lot. And that is actually ai parents.
It it for me, it’s good. It
It really is. It’s fresh in your outside. Yeah. Even mentally, you’re focused on that 3 footer. And for some for a couple of hours, you’re not. And I go quick. I play fast, real fast, and I’m I’m in. I’m out. But, you know, it gives me I was never one that could, like, run on a treadmill. I just and I can do it.
You know, when passing a physical, they asked me to run on a treadmill, and then they make it steeper and steeper and steeper. And the doctor said it was at Walter Reed. They said, it’s unbelievable. I could’ve got I’m telling you, I felt I could’ve gone all day. But I said, doc, I can do this all day long. I’m not I have no problem. But it’s boring to me. Do you understand? Right. It’s just boring.
But I did it for so long. They couldn’t believe it that I did it. And I never did you know, I don’t do it. I don’t really you know, I have friends who run-in this stuff all day long, but I had no problem doing it. But it’s really boring. So with with golf or something, you know, or tennis or whatever. Right.
Golf, as you get older, there’s something really good about it, and you have competition with
your friends. Concentration.
And it’s a great handicap sport.
And it’s also a thing, I think, that’s, it cleans your mind because when you’re looking at a a shah, that’s all you can think of when you’re executing.
It gives you a couple of us you know, it’s interesting. Ai, with tennis, if you’re much better than somebody, you can’t really play with somebody. You know, it doesn’t work. You can give them sort of the equivalent of strokes. Right? But it’s not this with golf, you can play with a lousy guy and give him a stroke of hole or 2 strokes of hole or something.
You know, it’s a good handicapping.
But it gives me a little exercise, but I haven’t played, in a long time. I won a lot of I won 32 club championships. Did
you play right after you got shot?
No. Where Ai what I did is I played with Bryson DeChambeau. Do you know Bryson?
He’s a great player. And we played. It was a certain thing that we played, I guess, called breaking 50 or something. 50 would play ram a certainty, and if you can break 50. And it got tremendous ratings, sort of like a crazy thing. It got he’s a great guy.
But wasn’t that like a couple of days after you got shot?
I don’t know. I I know I have
shah was one of the funniest things
you were on the golf course. I think I did. Yeah. Maybe I did. But Ai, you know, I feel it very interestingly, I’m running for president of the United States. To me, it’s such a big deal. It’s so important. So I’ve got now
biggest deal in the free world.
It’s it’s a 100 times bigger than the Super Bowl, and it’s one person. Yeah. So you’re down to 2 people, and we start off at 9,000,000,000 because you have 9 peep 9,000,000,000 they say in the world. Who knows what that number is? But you get down to 350,000,000. Sadly, we have no idea what we have in this country, but let’s assume it’s 325, ai. And you’re down to 2 people.
It’s the biggest thing in the world. And when I heard she took off yesterday and she took off the day before, and she’s gonna take off tomorrow or the next day, I haven’t taken a day off in 56 days. That’s a long time. I haven’t taken one day off. I don’t I didn’t I don’t wanna play golf. This is too exciting.
Golf is great, but this is too exciting. This is more exciting than anything you can do. And the Also,
It it’s the home stretch. Who would take a day off? So we have 11 days left now. And think of it. So I think I’ve gone 54, 55 days in a row. No days off. And I make speeches ai. You know, sometimes not, but I make speeches. And when you make a speech and my speeches last a long time because of the weave. You know? I mean, I weave stories into it.
And if you don’t if you just read a teleprompter, nobody’s gonna be very excited. You gotta weave it out. So you would but you always have to as you say, you always have to get right back to work. Yeah. Otherwise, it’s no good.
But the weave is very, very important. Very few weavers around. But it’s a big strain on your you know, it’s a big it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of work. You gotta be careful with the voice. You can lose that voice. The voice wasn’t designed.
I said today, so Ai made a big one last night. I was in Las Vegas. Big one the night before in Arizona. Big one I mean, they’re all big. We have the there’s never been anything like it in terms of crowd. Never been close. Never been close.
They say he talks about crowd sai, you know what’s very interesting? So we get crowds that are really big. And Ai say, you know, I’ve never had a story because I don’t get good press. I don’t think I’ve had a good story in years. I really don’t.
I don’t I speak. I don’t think I you you were talking about it a little bit with Oprah. Everybody loved me. I don’t think I became president of the United States. I did great the saloni time. I did much better.
I I don’t sana get you in in any disputes, but I won that saloni election so easy. And not just because
But let me let me get to that. Let’s I wanna talk to you about that.
The thing. I did that, and now I’ve gotten the nomination again. And don’t forget, to get these nominations, you go against very smart people. Ron DeSantis was hot. Shah to go through him. Nikki Haley was hot. Had to go through her. Went through everybody. Record time. Right? Record time. I got 3 nominations in a row.
Won the first ai. Did much better the saloni time. You know, I get millions of votes more the saloni ai. And now I’m doing it a third time. And and it’s an incredible thing. I never get a good story. I only get bad press. Now I will say this. It’s a lot easier if you’re a Democrat.
You get a lot of positive press.
I would get a lot of positive press.
Meh. No. It’s a it’s a creepy corrupt business. And the the media, to a large extent, acts as a propaganda arm for the Democratic party. It’s it’s
not even believable. Yeah. It’s believe
I mean, it’s bizarre to watch. And, you know, most young people, I think, are aware of it. I think most boomers still, unfortunately, read the newspapers and believe in CNN. But it’s getting younger. Let me tell you.
It’s getting for us for a conservative. And, you know, I
mean, I consider myself a first the Internet. It’s because the Internet’s giving people information that they’re not getting from anywhere else. And they get, like, the the very fine people hoax, the Russiagate hoax, all these different things that they’ve done. They tried to pin on you.
That’s ai it’s a clear distortion of what you actually said.
Yeah. I was talking about Yes.
The auto industry. It’s a bloodbath because Japan and Of course. China are taking our auto and they sai, it’s a bloodbath. They said, oh, he used the word bloodbath. He said, if you don’t win somebody
because they’re gonna take over.
you say. Terrible thing they do.
But that’s the problem with propagandists because they take things out of context and, ultimately, what they do is they diminish their own credibility because people don’t wanna listen to them anymore because they see that they’ve done that and they recognize what’s going on and they feel insulted. They’re intelligence Well,
look at the ratings. Yeah. You know, shows like yours. So I have a son who’s very smart and tall, bryden. Right? And he knows all about you. He knows about guys I never heard of. He said, dad, you don’t know how big they are. They’re big. I sai, who the hell is he? Ai Ross.
I did he said, dad, he’s a great guy. I mean, guys sai they’re doing it’s a whole new world out there.
and I think I’m on TikTok now.
And I’ve done really well. No. But you know the crazy have you seen the numbers of billions, like, billions of hits? It’s crazy.
TikTok’s a wild application now.
Up 30 points. A Republican is always down 30 with young people. I’m plus 30, and I’m on TikTok.
Young people are rejecting a lot of this woke bullshit. Young people are tired of being yelled at and scolded. They’re they’re tired of these people that they think are mentally ill telling them what the moral standards of society should be today, and people are upset.
It’s a big there’s a big difference now, but even in just a couple of years, I was shaking hands with people. They’re young people The rebels are Republicans
now. They’re ai, you wanna be a rebel, you wanna be punk rock, you wanna, ai, buck the system, you’re a conservative now. That’s the that’s so crazy. And then the liberals are now pro pro ai criticism. They’re they’re pro censorship online. They’re they’re talking about regulating free speak, and they’re regulating the first amendment.
Joe, they come after their political opponent.
do more guys. I always say, you know, I kid, but it I’m not kidding. I’ve been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the meanest of them all. He’d kill you in 2 seconds if he didn’t like you. Right? I’ve been under investigation more than Alphonse Capone only because it’s political opponent stuff. And I’ve won.
I won the big case in Florida. I I’m winning the other stuff. You win. But you know what they did? They did something that’s only done in 3rd world countries. They came after their political opponent. Yes. I could’ve put Crooked Hillary in jail.
Well, not only that, but they’re never weaponizing it by saying that that’s what you were going to do once you get in office. Ai? Ignoring what they’re doing right now. It’s crazy.
I heard it somebody was defending me today. They just no. That’s they sai that’s what you’re doing to him. They’re going, he’s gonna put us in jail. He’s gonna invest. They say that’s what you’re doing. What you’re doing to him. Yeah. A lot of people say, will you do that? Will you do that to him?
If if to them, if you win. You know, it’s the presidency has tremendous power. I could’ve put Crooked Hillary
ai the United States. That you didn’t because what you said was it would be bad for the country.
No. I can’t I couldn’t even imagine. You have first of all, secretary of state. But more importantly, the wife of the president of the United States of America going into jail. And if you ever sai, when I’d say something about her, they would all say I didn’t say it. I never said it.
They say, lock her up, lock her up. And I’d always go, take it easy. Just relax. We’re gonna win this thing. Take it easy. Take it easy.
And I’m telling you, I kept it down. Just the opposite. Now they say, oh, Trump wanted to put her in jail. No. I saved her from going to jail.
They had more stuff on her. And Comey had it because when Comey got up, and he stupidly because he’s a stupid guy too. He goes, he’s a stupid son of a bitch. He got up. Joe, he got up. And instead of saying she’s innocent of all charges, he went over each charge.
And each charge was a killer. And he go, and as far as her doing this, she’s innocent. And this, and then she’s only a unfair prosecutor for we go, but every time you heard these charges, they sounded so bad. They were bad. And all it was is he wanted more airtime.
If he would have gone up and said, I’ve thoroughly investigated Hillary Clinton, and she’s done nothing that we feel is wrong. It would have ended. Instead, he wanted to be up there because he’s a he’s a PR hound. He’s a hog. And he starts going through the and you know what he had?
They had a huge problem because FBI is great. The people there. Not the top people. The people. The real people. The people that work there.
It’s like the real generals that I told you about that defeated ISIS in record time. The FBI guys are great. I’ll bet you I’d be at 95% in the FBI.
Underneath. Yeah. And and so here’s the thing. So he goes with Hillary, and instead of just saying he goes through each charge. Right. And even Ai would say, man, those are bad charges.
I know with those charges. Yeah.
Don’t forget, this is before I got there.
Now he was trying to protect her, but he did her a great disservice.
Because he wanted attention.
Sai I wanna I wanna talk about 2020 because you said over and over again that you were robbed in 2020. Yeah.
What how do you think you were robbed? Everybody always cuts you off. I’m gonna allow They do
well, they not only cut you off. Well, what I’d rather do is we’ll do it another ai, and I would bring in papers that you would not believe. So many different papers. That election was so crooked. It was the most crooked election.
Okay. But give me some examples of how.
Well, let’s start let’s start Okay. On the top and the easy ones.
They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the things they did, and they didn’t get it. In many cases, they didn’t get it.
Anything. Legislative approval ai? Like, for extensions of the voting, for for for voting earlier, for this all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals. You don’t have to go any further than that. If you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen.
They wouldn’t give access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots weren’t signed. They weren’t originals. They were we could go into this stuff. We could go into the ballots or we could go into the overall. I’ll give you another one.
Are you gonna present Well, let me never? Ai, what do you do you think
ai that? Just give you one moment before. 51 intelligence agents come up that the laptop was from Russia. It turned out to be totally false.
51 former intelligence agents. Right?
They say that made I don’t believe it’s this much, but it doesn’t have to I won by, like I lost by, like, I didn’t lose. But they say I lost Joe, they say I lost by 22,000 votes. Vatsal, like, 1 tenth of 1 percent less than that. It’s a tiny little thing. 22,000 votes spread over the that’s spread over this this period. So 51 intelligence agents lied. They lied. They lied. They knew it was. It was Hunter’s.
It was from his bed. It was Hunter’s laptop. They said it was created by Russia. Russia Russia it was the Russia hoax. The Russia hoax was a big hoax.
It was all a big hoax. So Well,
that’s clear. That’s one example.
That is a good example. Example. They say it made a 17 point difference. That’s a big example, but that’s only one. And you could go into the ballots where they wouldn’t give you access to the ballots. You could go into the ballot harvesting. You could go into $500,000,000 for the lock boxes.
But just in terms of narrative so there’s 2 things. Right? There’s the Russia hoax. There’s the collusion with Russia that was never proven. Right? That’s one.
No. It’s proven it didn’t happen. Right.
Right. But but they as they’ve talked about it on television.
And a half years to prove.
But not only that, but it was a constant narrative on television. Sure. That’s a constant narrative that gets into people’s minds, especially low information people that just watch the news Sure. That you’re in collusion with Russia. So that’s one. Yeah. So that changes the narrative. And then you have the 51 former intelligence agents that work with the original Twitter and get them to remove links.
You can’t share it on DMs. You cannot share that story. They they swept that story because they said it was Russian disinformation even though they knew it was not. 100%. So that’s two examples that are real examples.
Now anyone who considers himself a legitimate objective observer of American politics, if you really want the best person to win, you would want people to not lie. And the the only reason why they got away with this lie was because they continually labeled you as this horrible threat to democracy and Hitler. Yeah.
They kept saying you’re gonna be a dictator ignoring the fact that you weren’t a dictator for the 4 years where you’re actually the president.
I was actually the opposite of a dictator. I was a very straight guy. But look, those three things you take those three things. Each one of them by themselves causes the result to be different. Okay?
And then you can go into a 100 other things. There’s so many. We can’t have corrupt elections, and we can’t have open borders. We need a we need you need to have a country. You need borders. You need fair elections. And I’ll tell you the other thing you need is you need a free and fair press.
One of the things I like about doing a show like this can you imagine Kamala doing this show?
Ai could imagine her doing this show.
She was saying she was lying on the floor.
She was supposed to do it, and then she might still do it, and I hope she does.
do it. Ai will talk to her like a human being. I would try ai have a conversation with her.
Interview with you. I hope she does because it would be a mess. She’d be laying on the floor comatose. She’d you’d be saying, call in the medics.
I think we’d have a fine conversation. I think I’d be able to talk to her. I wouldn’t try to interview her. I just try to have a conversation with her and hopefully get to know her as a human being. That was my goal, having her on, trying to get her to express herself just as sai I don’t know if these I don’t think these formats are good.
I don’t think that 2 people. First of all, I hate the idea of the presidential debates because I hate the idea of a time limitation on complex ideas. Also, you have to break I
think you have to have the debates, though. Right.
But the way they do the debates, I think, is the wrong way to do it. I think they should have a conversation. I think you and Kamala, you sit across a table with no one in the room but the 2 of you. Of course, you’re not gonna shout each other. Of course, you’re not
I mean, it may get they used to do it that way.
Wouldn’t, but that would be the way to do it. They used to
do it that way. They always
cameras on you with no no one interfering with press with, with checking whether or not it’s factual, especially when it’s biased because they checked you all those times and they didn’t check her with clearly things that were inaccurate. Right? So have 2 people just have a conversation with those without a time constraint.
And, also, this ai they cut off the the the microphone
No crowd. Crazy too because you’re good at working crowd.
I would rather have a crowd. Of course. Ai good
But I had no so they gave me an alternative. I don’t think he wanted to debate.
Why did they want no crowd?
What was the argument? They thought I wasn’t gonna accept it. So I believe what they wanted to do is have me not accept. So they gave me a deal I couldn’t refuse, and I sai, I’ll do it. Okay? It’s like the mob.
I’ll take it. So they came to me. They said, we’ll debate Joe Biden. You know, that thing got tremendous ratings too. That was crazy. But we’ll debate Joe Biden, but you can’t have a crowd. They also wanted sitting down. I said, that’s the only thing. I said, look. You gotta you gotta stand up. You can’t really sit down.
in the old days, they did sit down a little bit, but but He gets tired. He gotta stand up. And they agreed to it. It was a very tough thing. It it almost killed it. They wanted to they wanted to have, like, desks, we we sai. Ai said, I think we should stand up. And that was the only thing I asked for. I said, we gotta stand up.
I I thought it looked bad for, like, the public, but they said no crowd and cut off the mic. And I sai, I can live with it. I mean, I can live with it. And they thought I was gonna reject it, and then they would say he didn’t sana debate sleepy Joe. Right. Right.
That’s what they thought was gonna be.
They tried to say that with you and Kamala as well. They tried to say that you didn’t wanna debate her as well.
No. By the way, with her, number 1, I’m leading. Number 2 you know, I didn’t they also said it with the primary. So I had, like, 10, 12 guys, right, in the primary. No stupid guys. I mean, you know, the governors in the Senate, they’re not stupid people. Some are stupid, but not all of them. And, all my guys sai, you have to be in the debate. I said, why? I’m leading by 74 points.
The closest guy to me, I’m I’m ai 60 points, 70 points higher. Why would I stand there like an idiot for 30 minutes and let every one of them scream at me? I’m gonna be the focus. What Right. And I said, I’m not debating. And it was a very smart thing because, you know, it it was they just killed themselves.
The Republican primaries.
Yeah. The Republican ai, with I like debating. I think debate I think you have to debate, but I like debate.
I like debating the like, the Rosie O’Donnell debate. I like debating when you have a great remember the Rosie O’Donnell very funny, Megan. Crazy thing, Meh. That was a hell of a question, man. If I didn’t come up with that answer It was
Well, what it was is, you know, that was we had 28,000 people. That was the Cleveland arena where the Cavaliers played.
LeBron James. Not a big fan of LeBron James, but he is a good basketball player. But, you know, that was the and when I said that, that place went crazy. And she kept talking. No. She had, like, 10 other
Yeah. Well, Megan said you said it to other people, and you admitted you did. But it was funny. It was it was a comedic timing moment.
It was fun. It was That’s
Lucky Ai did it because she was oh, she wasn’t fin that question but she kept talking Right. But you couldn’t hear. To this day, they don’t know what she said, but it wasn’t positive. So ai but we had a good time. Ai Well,
it’s comedic timing, and that’s the reason why to have a debate a debate in front of a large audience. And then they Well, how did
I do it with the Al Smith dinner? I got very good reviews on that.
That was great. Very funny.
very funny stuff. The Tim Walz stuff was very funny.
That’s a crazy one. She the the she said that she had picked him, and this is one of the question I wanna ask her when she was sleep deprived. She said she was, suffering from sleep deprivation when she picked him, which is
sai was Hey, maybe take a nap. So I was okay. Look. Let’s see how it all turns out. I think we’re gonna win. I think we’re way ahead now. I think we’re way ahead. But but, if if if they lose Could I bring
I think they’re gonna look at 2 things. They’re gonna say they should have a primary even though it was a short primary.
They shouldn’t have picked her. And then she’s gonna say Sai shouldn’t have picked this guy.
She shouldn’t have picked that guy.
said just the the the lying about Tiananmen Square
Admitted that. Yeah. The military record, assistant coach versus head coach.
Yeah. Little things. So I did McDonald’s last week.
And I actually got a call from your friends at Google, from Sundar. That’s pretty good. Right? He said this is the biggest thing we’ve had in years.
At McDonald’s. Did you know that? It was one of the
Who’s a great guy, by the way, but he said, this McDonald’s thing, I wanna tell you, it’s one of the biggest things we’ve ever had on Google. It just hit. But the reason I did and I actually you know, you never know about this stuff. I thought it was a throwaway. Mhmm. I didn’t think our conversation’s a throwaway, but I thought that was I thought I’d walk in.
And that was only to highlight the fact and I I have a friend. He owns, like, 56 of these McDonald’s, and he said, do you sana use one? I said, yeah. I love it. So we went there, and the crowd was crazy. You know, they had 28,000 people sit around the whole thing.
Did you see the outside? It was crazy. The cars couldn’t get through. Secret service was not exactly thrilled. We had no idea what the hell.
But I went into the place, and I did the french fry thing. And it just hit. But that’s like in life. Sometimes you do I thought it was ai a quick throwaway. We’re gonna be there for 15 minutes.
Then I said, I’ve worked here for 15 minutes, which is 15 minutes more than she worked here. She lied about McDonald’s. And, you know,
never worked there? She well, McDonald’s has no information. No. She has no information. She there’s nobody. The manager said she never worked there. You know, it was a certain place, and he said they never no. She lied. She’s a liar. You know what they do? They’ll say, like, on any one of their questions, take any they’ll sai, it’s the exact opposite of what I sai. IVF. Who’s against Ai, the fertilization?
He’s a and and it’s the exact opposite. I was I came out immediately strongly in favor and they do ads. I’m against it. It’s wrong, on every single topic. And, you know, she changed policies on 15. I’ve never seen a guy change anybody change on more than 1. You know, you can maybe get away with 1.
Her whole life fracking, every single thing that she was for, the confiscation of guns, she wants a now she’s saying everybody should have a gun. In fact, we’re gonna get her a MAGA cap. I’m gonna send her a MAGA cap. But she’s changed, and I don’t think people are buying it.
I don’t think people are buying it.
Well, some people are buying it because they want to buy ai, because it’s blue no matter who. There’s there’s a certain percentage of our population that’s gonna vote Democrat no matter what.
They’re pressured. There’s their their community, their ideology, it’s
You know, I don’t understand.
I don’t understand ai. Okay. You have a wall or you have a you know, I built 570 miles of wall. Everyone said, I built a lot of wall. Exactly the stuff. But you have a border. What I don’t understand is, who would want people to come into our country from places unknown, like sometimes they’ll say about a ai? From parts unknown.
Right? Remember, Haystacks Cahoon. From parts. He’s he’s from parts. And they’re the oldest. Those are the old ones. That’s even before you but, who would want people to come in pouring into our country? We don’t know anything about it.
But that’s I wanna ask you this. Why do you think they’re doing that?
Do you think they’re trying to buy votes? Do you think they just want cheap labor? Like, what is what’s the idea?
It’s sai couple of theories. They hate our country, they’re stupid, or they wanna buy votes. It’s one of those three things. Yeah. They want it now they are trying to get people registered who, you know, don’t even know what the country is.
Ai to give people amnesty. People that live here, they’re
trying to give us access to citizenship. Citizenship or they want to well, how about what happened?
Think about the amount of money that they’ve given them when they’ve come here, the food stamps, the benefits that even our poor people aren’t getting.
$200,000,000,000 and and that’s a way low number. That’s a way low. You know, it’s it’s interesting. New York has always been ai, you know, sort of ai always looking for money. They’ve spent a $100,000,000,000 on this stuff. I I don’t know where they and they’re not getting the money from the federal government. It’s crazy.
And because the mayor came out and said, we can’t live like this.
He gets in I by the way, I called it. I said he just got himself indicted. Mhmm. This group is stupid, but they’re vicious. They’re stupid people, but they’re vicious people.
The 2020 elections. You say you have all this evidence that it was rigged. Why haven’t you put this evidence in a consumable form? And what?
Oh, I did. I have I have books on it. And and ai the way, books have been written on it. We have an author named Hemingway, who is a great writer. She wrote a book on it, but many books have been written on it. There are books that are what’s happened is judges don’t sana touch it. They would say you don’t have standing. They didn’t rule on the merits.
They ruled the meh never got there. The judges didn’t have what it took to turn over an election.
So let’s talk about the potential vulnerabilities for elections and election fraud. One of them is mail in ballots. The other one is the, if someone can break into voting machines, if someone can hack voting machines. Those are 2 huge ones.
So Elon Saloni Musk. Elon Musk. I think he said it publicly. I hope he did because I I wouldn’t sana to be the one, but he’s a really smart ai, and he’s a very good guy with computers. Right? You’d say he’s
He’s one of the smartest people alive.
Anybody that can land that Yeah. 20 story building and perfect and While
he’s doing Starlink, while he’s
Ai he’s talking to me about
And then he agrees to Starlink
And tweets a 100 times a day.
He’s an amazing guy. Yeah. He said to me that unless you have paper ballots, it can never be an honest election. That’s a big statement.
We should go to paper ballots. You know, France did. They went the mail in voting, and it was all messed up. What can you tell? Thing with the machines? So we have the machines. They cost 10 times more. Paper ballot would cost 8%. And they make paper ballots. They’re all watermarked and everything else. They’re very sophisticated.
But if you take a look, paper ballots, 8% the cost, and you’re done by 9 o’clock in the evening. Right? Now we have these sophisticated machine that goes up to heaven. It goes all over the place and down and around. And they sai, we’ll need 2 weeks to figure out who the hell won the election.
Do you think that’s by design?
Yeah. I do. I think it’s I think it’s very crooked. That’s my opinion.
You’re allowed to have an opinion. What could let’s say you win in November. What can be done to mitigate these problems? What could be done at a, you know, at the level that the president has power?
Well, if I win, that’ll be this will be my last election. But I think I owe it to the country. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it I owe it to the country. We have to have fair elections.
You know, Jimmy Carter was the in charge of a commission, you know, that many years ago. And they put him in Scoop Jackson and various senators, you know, distinguished people that were ai. And they came up with a report. And the report’s primary finding was you cannot have mail in ballots Because if it’s a mail in ballot you know, I went to the voting booth the last time, whatever it was, and I walked in in Palm Beach.
And I walk in, and they know me. They sai, mister president, could I see your identity? Yes. Boom. Here’s this. Here’s that. Everything.
And then you sai and you they watch you sign and you really there’s not a lot you can do. I mean, if you wanted to be dishonest, it’s sort of beautiful. Right. If instead of that, I’m gonna send them a ballot. Right.
It has to go through the postal services. It has to go through a lot of people. They mail you houses that you know, the house was demolished and the people have left and it it’s so bad. The one thing with Jimmy Carter, he had a very strong commission. It was no mail in ballots. And we’re the only one that does elections this way anymore.
They’ve gotten away from ram.
And this is a it ticked up in a big way after COVID. It used to be, like, soldiers serving overseas.
They used COVID to cheat.
Yeah. Well, they used COVID to certainly push this mail in ballot. Another thing
that they That’s it’s sai but they used COVID to cheat.
And the last election was a little bit of a you couldn’t even get security ai. Big, strong guys to watch. You know what? You’d call them they’d call them in this session. They were afraid to go out. You know, we had we were in the middle of COVID. Mhmm. We were in the middle of COVID, right smack in the middle. And they didn’t sana die. You know, they didn’t wanna catch it.
It was ai in a way, it was it was like a ghost town. And the whole thing but mail in ballots are bad thing. Bad
thing. That certainly is is a problem. Mail meh in ballots are problem.
But every other country in other country ID. Yeah. A voter ID? How about
ID is the most bizarre argument that I’ve never seen anybody articulate in a way that’s convincing.
Because you want it cheap?
Voter. Well, it doesn’t make sense any other way. I’ve tried to straw man it or Ai tried to speak man it rather. I’ve tried to, like, look at it from a position ai, why would you not want people to have ID? And a lot of the ideas are Cheap. Just ridiculous. The I you need an ID to get a driver’s license.
Okay. But here’s now the next step. Gavin Newsom, one of the worst governors in the world And I used to, frankly, I used to get along, but I don’t get along with him because he’s just too you know, it’s just a whole con job. But Gavin Newsom, the other day, signed a bill that you are not allowed to ask a person, even ask them whether or not they have a voter ID.
Then what could be a charitable
reason why anyone would want that?
But that would be the only thing that makes sense.
But that’s taking it to the next level.
Now, you know, you have ID. The Democrat National Convention, when they had it the last time I saw, they had a ai, like a billboard on the the name of the person, where they live, how they live, who the hell their boyfriends arya. Every single, it was and a big picture. That’s for their they have an Ai, a big ID. It’s it was hanging like you were a prisoner.
It they had these massive cards, everything. And meh, when it comes to the vote, in theory, the most important thing we do, okay, when you go to a grocery store, you give ID. But for a vote, it’s supposed to be a sacred thing, and it it should be a sacred thing. No voter ID because they wanna cheat.
Well, it doesn’t make sense in any other way. I’ve tried to look at it.
There’s I there’s no argument that anybody’s presented that makes any sense ai.
You know the funny thing, Joe? The Democrats, the people, they all think you should have it. In other words, you should have it. Yeah. If you go to the people, missus Schwartz, missus Smith, mister and missus Jones Sure. They say, of course, yeah. Democrats. They sai, yes. It’s the politicians that don’t want it. Like Schumer and these guys, they don’t want it because they sana be able to cheat. Because you know what?
If they didn’t have it, okay, who is gonna vote for somebody that wants open borders? Who’s gonna vote for somebody that wants to have, men playing in women’s sports? You know, I have never had one person come up to me and say, president, you gotta do something to allow men to play in women’s sports.
Have you ever just like I’ve never been called by upholster. I told you my little theory on pollsters. Okay? I’m getting myself in trouble with some of these things, but I don’t really care. Nobody’s ever come up to me and said, we sana have men playing women’s sports.
And, you know, I had a funny thing vatsal property I own in California. I have a woman who’s a very good athlete, and she works there as a manager. And Brian Urlacher, the big, Chicago Bears, great player, you know, 10 time also, I guess, Hall of Famer. Great guy. Big, strong guy.
And they she said, oh, he’s one of my favorite athletes. Can I have a picture? And I took a picture and I sent it. And I noticed she was the size of his leg. His leg was bigger than she was.
And I put it out, should men play in women’s what the whole it sai just so ridiculous.
What’s one of the most bizarre and polarizing ideas that’s promoted by the left?
Who wants it? Now unless you’re gonna cheat in elections, you’re never gonna get nobody wants it.
think anybody wants it. I’ve never I’ve been told everything. You know, you can some people want this. I don’t know of anybody that wants open borders. Nobody’s ever come up to me and say, president, you gotta let the world come into our country. Right. Now if they won so they have 21,000,000.
I think it’s much higher than that because you have gotaways. You know, gotaways where they just walk in. They work it, but and the other thing you have is human traffickers. You have traffickers, and they traffic in women, and they’re going wild now. We used to you know, we have to look the trunk of cars. Can you believe it? They put women in trunks. They’ll put 3 women in a trunk.
These people are savages. They’re horrible. They’re worst people. The and they’re making the kind of money they make on drugs, they’re almost making on trafficking now. And the thing that’s made it hot is the Internet. That’s what you know, you think of it almost as an ancient thing, but it’s the Internet.
But who would sana have these things? Who would wanna have there’s so many the transgender operations, where they’re allowed to take your child when he goes to school and turn him into a male to a female without parental consent. Who wants this? Does anybody want this? I’ve never heard of anyone, and I can go into 10 different things.
The only way they get them is by no voter ID. You can’t have voter ID. They don’t want any they wanna cheat. There’s only one reason, because the voter ID is so basic. It’s the most basic thing It’s
Who would want this? They want it so they can cheat because their policies are no good. Their poll I’ll tell you, they’re very smart when it comes to that. They’re very smart. Although, they’re not smart in terms of, politics in a way because what do they have that people want? They really don’t have.
They give away a lot of health care, a lot of stuff. But for the most part, their policies are terrible. Their policy on military she’s running on a tax hike. She’s gonna raise your taxes. You gotta hear this. We are going to raise your taxes, and the people clap.
But who is going to win with the all my life Sai grew up with politicians, lower taxes. She’s she’s politic in that we are going to raise your taxes.
Well, they wanna raise the the idea is you wanna raise the taxes to the highest earners. I know. But but it really doesn’t work that way. And billionaires are not paying their fair shah.
But it doesn’t work that way.
Well, it’s a narrative. Right? And it’s a narrative that appeals to people that are not doing well.
And they’re ai, yeah. Our problems are that these rich people are not paying taxes.
Well, the problems are the rich people are gonna leave, and they’re gonna close-up their companies, and then the other people aren’t gonna have jobs. You know, that’s what happens.
It does happen in other countries.
But the the whole because you you brought it up. I’ll tell you what. We just, he’s doing a very good job in Virginia. Glenn Youngkin. I don’t know if you like him or not like him.
But they oh, you don’t know him? The governor of Virginia? So we have a case where they found thousands of illegal ballots. A judge just ruled that they have to be able to vote. Just happened today. Just before I walked in here, I heard, a judge just ruled that you have to keep those people in. They’re illegal. They’re illegal votes.
Now I think they’ll be overturned at the next court. One thing I found because I had a couple of things that they got overturned a little bit. You know, the system. Because the system you have to hope that the appellate judges are honest. Otherwise, we don’t have a country anymore. It’s very important.
But the whole thing with illegal ballots, it’s gotta be looked at. You gotta have you have to have voter ID, and you have to have additional ID. You have to have an ID that shows that you’re a citizen of the country.
They don’t want that either.
I agree. One of the things that I wanna talk to you about is the JFK files. And one of the things that you said was that if they showed you what they showed me, this was your quote, you wouldn’t want people to know it either.
So I I opened them up, partially. I was met with from good people. I meh, you know, look. I mean, good people. People that were well meaning. Mike Pompeo was one of them. He’s a good person. They called me. They said, sir, would rather have you not? After and I did open them, but I was asked by some people not to open them.
There’s a Martin Luther King file too, by the way, that they’d like to see. I don’t know if you know, but there is that. But but JFK in particular. So they called meh. A lot of good people called me. People that I you know, that you would find reasonable people. And they asked me not to do it.
So I said, well, we’ll close it for another time. But if I win, I’m gonna open them up. I’m just gonna open enough ai.
Didn’t you open it up the first time?
Addresses, people that are still living. There are people that are affected. And there could be some national security reason that for you know, that I don’t have to necessarily know about. But some very good talented people asked me not to do it. I opened it up, and then they said, would it be possible for us to do that a different day?
What ai much of it did you read into?
I think it’s gonna be just fine to open it. Let me put it that way. I think it’s fine. It’s gonna be time. It’s a cleansing. You know, it’s really a cleansing. So I’m gonna do it. I’m gonna do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.
Well, the thing when people look at it from the outside and you sort of imagine what could be a reason why they would not release those files, It would be there’s people that were implicated
Well, when they’re living people, you generally tend not to wanna do it when people are still living.
Living people that formerly work for the government.
For the government and living people that were somehow involved in it, and you tend not to do that. But, it’s time to open them. I can’t tell you whether or not, they’re gonna find anything of interest, and I did partially open. I think I I’ve opened up 50%, but I was asked not to do it, and I I I thought that was a reasonable ask.
But now I’m gonna do it. I’m gonna do it very soon. There’s a lot of interest in it.
One of the things that I’m
There’s a lot of interest in, the, people coming from space. You know?
And I know you’re interested in it.
Very interested in that. How much do they tell you about that? A lot. Really? Yeah. What’d they tell you? How much can you tell?
How’s that work? Is it, like, super top secret? Tell. You know? Tell me.
Well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say whatever the hell I want. Right? But no. But I interviewed a few people. It’s never been my thing. I have to be honest. I I have never been a believer. I have people that arya 51 or whatever it is. Ai think it’s the number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something. Area 51 in Las Vegas. Do you know that. Right?
Sai, anyway but it’s a big tourist thing. So I interviewed jet pilots that say they saw something. If you saw them, you’d love to have a missile.
I’ve had a couple in here. Commander David Fravor. Yeah. I had him in the who had that sighting in 2004. Very, very compelling with visual vatsal video evidence, radar evidence. I ai Bryden Graves.
I don’t believe his name, but I I interviewed jet pilots that, were solid people. Perfect. I mean, great pilots, great everything. And they sai, we saw things, sir, that would were very strange. Like a round ball, but it wasn’t a comet or a meteor. It was something. And it was going 4 times faster than an f 22, which is a very fast plane. You know?
And it was round, which is in in theory a great shah.
So when you were talking to these people, was was this something that you were compelled to have conversations about? Was this your personal interest?
A little bit. It it’s not a great interest for me, but it’s a little interest. I get that question as much as almost any question. Do you think that we have aliens coming, you know, flying around or whatever?
There’s no reason not to. I mean, there’s no reason not to think that Mars and all these planets don’t have life, you know, because Well,
Mars, we’ve had probes there and rovers, and I don’t think there’s any life there.
Well, maybe it’s life that we don’t know, but maybe
it’s Maybe there was life there at one point in time. This is a speculation about Mars, that Mars had a a an atmosphere at one point in time a long time ago that could support life. It also also had large bodies of water, but we’ve had no evidence of even bacterial life that exists on Mars.
the universe has been a big thing for me. I mean, when I looked at what China did to this admit, they would have never done it with me where they put the balloon up. And a lot of people thought and a lot of people thought for a little while that that was Right. One of these things. Sai yeah.
A lot of the speculation too that some of these drones that hover over battleships, that these are Chinese drones and that they’re not UFOs.
There’s some super sophisticated
But I did interview, let’s say 3 or 4 guys that and without tremendous interest, if you had them, as I said, you’d love to have meh as your children. Solid, beautiful people. They said, sir, there’s something there. You know, they’ve there’s something there. Yeah.
Yeah. I’ve talked to quite a few of them.
Well, I mean, the just the commander David Fravor thing in 2004 off the coast of San Diego, they clocked that thing going from 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 in a second. Yeah. They don’t know what it is.
Yeah. They they saw something in the water. It was hovering over that something that was making a disturbance in the water. They got video evidence of this thing. The 2 different fighter jets with pilots in them saw it. There’s, you know, visual evidence, photographic evidence, video evidence, radar evidence, whatever the hell it is, it moves in a way that would turn a human being into Jell O if you’re inside of it.
The g force, no one would survive.
Sai what is that? And we don’t they didn’t it doesn’t have a heat signature. They don’t know what their propulsion system was. But
When you fly in some of these jets, these pilots have to be in great shape.
Oh, yeah. I flew with the Blue Angels once. Yeah. Yeah. They got to fly I guess, this is not made 18.
And those are older machines.
When you when you fly in some of these things Oh my god. Amazing. Yeah. But you gotta I can imagine. You gotta be special.
But these things that these people are encountering are far superior to what we know of.
Is it possible that there’s some military or government program that you weren’t that they didn’t tell you about?
I I think I had a great relationship with the military, basically, but, you know, I didn’t like certain people. I ai gotten them out if I thought if I were if the election was different, I would have fired, you know, all of them quickly. Some most of them Ai did fire. Biden should have fired every military person involved with Afghanistan. He should have had a lot of firings.
You know, if you look at him, he told Israel not to do anything. At least Israel is not gonna look in at a bomb the way they would have been. Think if they listened to Ai. They’d be waiting for a bomb to drop on their head right now. He’s been wrong about so much.
I guess you’d have to say that she’s been wrong too because, you know, they she always said they made the decision together. But, Israel didn’t follow his ai, and I think it was a very, you know, there it’s a very the Middle East is rapidly changing. You know, there are prophets that say the world will come to an end in the Middle East. You know that. Right?
And we have weapons today that are so scary. When you look, I rebuilt them all. And when you look at the weapons we have today, the biggest threat we have in the world today is nuclear weapons. And we have other weapons too that are devastated. But the nuclear weapons, the biggest threat we have in the world today, and that’s what you I was talking about de escalation with both China and Russia.
I’m telling you, we were gonna deescalate. They were gonna deescalate. You gotta be careful. We’re just a little tricky playing with them because they sai we’re gonna do it, and they don’t do it maybe. But they understood the curse too. It’s a curse.
It’s, Ai way behind us, but they’ll catch us within 5 years.
So let’s imagine let’s let’s say you win in November. What do you do differently, and how do you change this course that it seems we are on for World War 3? How do you get us out of Ukraine? How do you stop what’s going on in the Middle East? How do you put a stop to this?
Well, it’s it’s a very, to me, it’s an easy question because I think I can do it easily, but it’s a complex question in the sense that the times change. Every day changes. Who’s winning? Who’s not winning? I mean, Russia’s a war machine. Whether you like it or not, it just grinds along grinds along.
You speak to people like Viktor Orban, he’ll tell you. Sai just a big fat war machine, and that’s what’s happening. You look at what’s happened to Ukraine. If I were there, it would have never happened. But what
you what could you do now? If you get into office in January, what what
Right now, you would get both of them. I know both very well. And and, again, I I cannot I do not sana tell you, you know, for the purpose of looking smart to ai people that, you know, that say, oh, he was great. Because if I told you exactly what I do, I could Ai could never make the deal.
All I can tell you is that I would meet with Putin and I would meet with him, and I know exactly what I’d say to each one of them. And I believe that as president-elect, I would get that war stopped and stopped fast. You know, we have tremendous power in the United States if you know how to use the power. I stopped other wars just by the use of tariffs.
I got Macron of France. Good guys like a friend of mine, but he’s a wise guy. And he’s a person that likes France, sai he was gonna tax our companies. I say and I said all the smartest ai. I said Mnuchin, and they all failed me. And I sai, I’ll do it myself. And I called him. I said, Emmanuel, you’re taxing American companies.
We’re not gonna allow you to do that. Oh, Donald, I cannot do it. Nothing I could do. It’s already been passed. I said, Emmanuel, if you do that, I’m gonna put a 100% tariff on your wines and champagnes that come into the United States, and you’re gonna regret that you ever did it.
He said, Donald, please, that’s not fair. Anyway, within about 2 minutes, he dropped the whole thing, and it was massive amounts of money against American companies. I have to protect American companies.
Sai why doesn’t the Biden administration do this?
Because they’re incompetent. They don’t know how to talk. Look. They met in Alaska with, the Ai, and the Chinese lectured them about how badly we treat people. Right? Okay? I mean, think of it. You remember that day? It was like an they didn’t talk to me that way. They never they respected me. They respected our country.
They don’t respect our country. They don’t respect Biden. They don’t respect her. They’re dreaming about her because she’s incompetent. She’s not a smart person.
Look, she can’t put 2 sentences together. She talks I watched her 2 nights I watched her last night too. It was the same thing. She’s not a smart person. These guys are very smart, and they’re very ai, and they’re very tricky and evil and dangerous.
And if she becomes the president of the United States, which I can’t believe can happen, I don’t think this country is gonna make it. I I don’t think we’ll ever be. I think I think bad just really bad things will happen to our country. And you know what? I look at the outside forces and I sai, they can all be handled because we have a pot of gold.
But we’re not gonna have that pot of gold to play with anymore. You know, it’s a great negotiating thing. I told you, I I knocked out this massive car company, gonna take all of our car business from Detroit. I knocked it out just by my rhetoric. Rhetorically, I said, they’ll never sell a car in here. I’ll put tariffs. I don’t care. They’re 2,000%.
They’re never gonna build that plant
in Dodge. Possible to apply that same thing to the electronics that we use? One of the things that disturbs me greatly is that all of our phones are made overseas, and then some of our phones are made in places like yes. And the chips. And some of our phones are made in places like Foxconn, where they have nets around the building to keep people from jumping off the roof because they have so many suicides.
Like, wouldn’t it be better to have an American made iPhone where you know people are paid good wages, they have health insurance, they’re taken care of, they can live a good life, where you’re not buying a piece of electronics that’s cheaper because someone has to suffer a horrible in a horrible way that’s not even legal in the United States.
It’s not even legal to have them work that way in the United States, so they get these people to build them overseas.
You do it, but but let me just say, that chip deal is so bad. We put up 1,000,000,000 of dollars for rich companies to come in and borrow the money and build chip companies here, and they’re not gonna give us the good companies anyway. All you had to do was charge them tariffs.
If you would have put a tariff on the chips coming in, you would have been able to just like the auto companies. No different. More sophisticated, but no different. You know, Taiwan, they stole our chip business. Okay? They want us to protect, and they want protection. They don’t pay us money for the protection. You know?
The mob makes you pay money. Right? But with these countries that we protect, I got 100 of 1,000,000,000 of dollars from NATO countries that were never paying us. And my biggest fan is Stoltenberg who just left as the, you know, director general as sai secretary general. Good guy. He said Bush came. He made a speech.
Obama came. He made a speech. Trump came. He said, you guys aren’t paying. You gotta pay. And they said, will you protect us from Russia if we don’t?
I said, no. You gotta pay if you don’t pay. 1,000,000,000 of dollars came in to NATO. When I see us paying a lot of money to have people build the chip, that’s not the way you didn’t have to put up 10¢. You could have done it with a series of tariffs. In other words, you tariff it so high that they will come and build their chip companies for nothing.
In other words, Joe, you put a big tariff on the chips coming in. I sai, you don’t have to pay the tariff. All you have to do is build your plant in the United States. We didn’t have to give them the money to build a plant. Besides that, they’re very rich companies. These chip companies, they stole they stole 95% of our business. It’s in Taiwan right now.
They do a great job, but that’s only because we have stupid politicians. We lost the chip business, and now we think we’re gonna pay. You can’t build it that way. You have to make them spend their money in the United States, and those plants would open up all over and they’ll fund them.
We don’t have to put up 10¢. And I am in the process of making a huge speech in about a little ai. And you and I how long have we been talking?
I gotta make a speech. Ai I but we’ll do it again. I wanna do it again with you. Okay. You are something. They said I sai, how long will this last? Anywhere from an hour to 3 or 4 hours. How long
we do it, Jamie? 3 hours. Good. Well, we’ll do it again.
I thought it was great. I think it’s
It’s a lot of fun. You are a fascinating guy, and you’ve done a great job.
Fan, and thank you very much. It’s been an honor.
to have him off the wall. Great speak, and I’m gonna say, and if I’m a little off tonight, I’m gonna blame you. I would say I spoke to this guy for 3 hours. Anyway, it’s a great honor to be here. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.