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#2212 – Jelly Roll Podcast Episode Summary
In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the discussion revolves around creativity, personal growth, and the unique paths individuals take in their careers. The conversation highlights the importance of authenticity in creative endeavors, emphasizing that everyone has their own style and should avoid conforming to ideological pressures just to gain approval. This theme is reinforced through references to comedians like Nate Bargatze and Shane Gillis, who have found success by staying true to their unique comedic voices.A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the creative process, particularly in music and comedy. One speaker shares their experience of writing songs and storytelling, drawing inspiration from traditional artists like Willie Nelson. They discuss the therapeutic nature of creativity and the importance of staying grounded in gratitude, even amidst personal challenges.
The episode also touches on the concept of “Kill Tony,” a live podcast that challenges comedians to perform a one-minute set, highlighting the raw and unfiltered nature of comedy. This segment underscores the idea that comedy should be entertaining and genuine, rather than pandering to ideological trends.
Additionally, the episode includes a promotional segment for ZipRecruiter, emphasizing the efficiency and effectiveness of the platform in helping businesses find qualified candidates quickly.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of embracing one’s individuality and creativity, while also recognizing the value of hard work and authenticity in achieving success. The recurring theme is the importance of staying true to oneself and finding one’s own path, whether in music, comedy, or any other field.
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#2212 – Jelly Roll Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
Speaker: Joe Rogan
00:01
Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Showing my day Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
00:12
Let’s go, guys. Kelly Rogan. I’m back. My my baba.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
00:15
My man. I haven’t seen you since, Master Square Garden. That was crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
00:18
What a great night after that, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
00:20
What an experience, man.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
00:22
Dude, it was so I was thinking about it pulling up here is that, I think y’all just got out of Vulcan and the club had just opened. And I’d came that night to see Ron White, and I went back that Monday to see Kill Tony. And I could feel the Kill Tony thing happening over COVID at Vulcan, so I had to go see it in person. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
00:39
And I could remember sitting in there. And you know how, like, you can feel a an energy shift? Yeah. I felt an energy shift in life in that room that night. I was like, this is fixing to explode. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
00:52
Like, everything associated with this club, everything associated with Tony, everything associated with Joe is fixing to fucking rocket ship. And it felt like almost like I’m getting goosebumps, Joe. I’m not
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04
even I’m getting goosebumps. I’m
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:05
getting goosebumps. It’s almost like Ai swear, dude. It was like feeling the grunge movement in the nineties. Like, when you first heard a little something, you were like, this is different.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:16
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:16
And you were like, this could be something. And then it just turned out to be the explosion. It’s like, I felt that happening. So to see Tony at fucking Madison Square Garden and then to see how y’all showed up for Tony at Madison Square Garden, every fucking comedian on Earth came to see that dude to fucking
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:32
Ai sweet sai.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33
Yeah. His fucking cheek. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:34
To be there. I had to be there. I was there in the beginning. I was there when there was like 18 comedians in the crowd.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:40
Is that not crazy? It was crazy. They were doing it
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42
in the belly room of the Comedy Store. It was just like an afterthought. They couldn’t do any of the other rooms because they didn’t have an audience and they would and Tony just had this weird idea that he just like looked a little pit bull, just stuck with it. One minute of comedy and he like honed it over time and figured out and then he became the best host in all of entertainment.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:03
There’s no one better at hosting a comedy show than him. The way he does that show, the the speed of his comebacks, the speed of his, like the roast lines.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:12
Ai tell Tony all the time. I say, Tony, I love you. And that panel is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen, but you are the show, brother. Oh, we have lost you. All tune in if you were sitting up there by yourself. Like, you arya just so sharp. Ai relate to it too, Joe. I I I I compare art forms. It’s just something I like to do. I know some people don’t.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:30
But watching Tony, I feel a kinship to Tony and Andrew Schultz in a certain way because I feel like we all kinda met each other right before it happened for all of us.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:41
Ai.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:41
Like, I remember me and Schultz doing the opener up song at the ai 4. You know, he was doing 2 nights at Zany’s 2 shows. 1 shah, you know, 1 show a night. You know what I mean? And I was doing a 1,000 seat club in the south. You know what I mean? And Tony would still kill Tony. And you know what I mean? Like and then Yeah. Yeah. And we’re all fucking old.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:59
Like, the fact that it happened for all of us in our late thirties. True. It’s even cooler. Yeah. So it’s this double kinship.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
03:05
Like, when I was nominated for new arya of the year at almost 40, that’s the first time that it ever happened in CMA history and country music. Yeah. But, like, this year, most of those kids are 27 and under. Here Ai was a 40 year old fucking man up there.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
03:17
You’re a beauty beautiful example that there’s no rules. Yes. There’s no rules. It’s all bullshit. Just be yourself. Just be yourself. Do your best. Find find whatever it is inside you that you can express.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
03:28
That’s it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
03:28
There’s no rules. There’s no rules for age. Ai, Ron White used to worry about that all the time. I think I’m too old. I’m what do you you’re Ron motherfucking White. You’re a legend.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
03:37
Period.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
03:37
But it’s ai that humility that he has, even though he’s got great confidence in his ability, ai, Ron is a very humble guy as successful as he is. But that humility that he is is also that constantly has him ai, constantly has him working. He’s 40 years in the game. He never stops.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
03:55
He and he’s better now than he’s ever been before. Now that he’s sober, like, he’s a monster. Oh. A monster on stage.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
04:02
Imagine hitting to meh so to me, Ron Ai is on Mount Rushmore comedy. For me, personally, I know it’s subjective. Some people are gonna, you know, whatever. But for me, because I judge comedy as a fan of, like I look at skits like I mean, I look at specials ai what songs stood out to me the most in the whole special.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
04:19
Like, your special was your album. How many songs do you have that I tell my friends about? Like, it’s my song. Right. Right. Right. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
04:25
And, like, to me, Ron White has done more of that than Ai have more Ron White bits memorized than any other comedian just by, like, default of how good he is at weaving these little quick 2 minute stories of just complete white trashy and druckery, which is just my fucking specialty.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
04:41
It’s like I feel like he grew up on my street. You know what I’m saying? So my mama likes Ron White. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
04:46
He was the first guy out here, you know. He was the first guy that came. He moved here before the pandemic.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
04:51
That’s crazy.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
04:52
Because he was always with us at the store. And then one day, I called him up. I’m like, where the fuck you been, man? He was, I moved to Austin.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
04:58
Ai to Texas. He
Speaker: Joe Rogan
04:59
just he said he just loved it. He sai, like, there’s no traffic. Everyone’s nice. And I started thinking about it then. He planted, like, the first seeds in, like, 2018. I was like, can I live in Austin? Fuck. I don’t know. Because my instinct has always been to move to the mountains. Like, I wanna I wanna live somewhere where there’s no people, ai, there’s no people.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
05:16
Did you ever have did you have mountains in ai? When you, like, romanticize it, did you ever think of what mountains you would move to if you did it?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
05:22
I really like the mountains above Boulder. Ai really I lived there for a little while in 2009. But, when, I think about Montana sometimes, I think about just some place more peaceful, Ai, somewhere just a little more peaceful. Cold as fuck in the winter, but just, like, more real.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
05:40
And that was ai thought when I was living in LA, but it was like a necessity to get the fuck out of there. When when the COVID stuff was going on, like, they’re not gonna let this go. They’re gonna keep us in control for once they have control ai you like they had during the pandemic, wear a mask, gotta get a vaccine, can’t go here, can’t go there, no businesses, everything shah down, all the restaurants go under, all the comedy clubs go under.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
06:03
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Speaker: Joe Rogan
06:26
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06:46
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07:09
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Speaker: Joe Rogan
07:34
It was like it was a goof. It was weird. It was like a completely different universe. We go to my kids were young, man. They were 10 and 12 and, like, they wanted to go to restaurants.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
07:43
Like, we can go to our restaurant here and sit indoors, like for everyone was terrified in LA and they just weren’t here. And the same results, like the same the same thing happened to everybody, but over here, it was a way more peaceful experience. Sana, Ron, when we were out here, we we started doing shows at the Vulcan.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
08:03
And 1 night, the first time Ron had been on stage in, like, 8 months, he just grabbed me by my shoulders. He’s like, whatever the fuck we have to do, we’re gonna keep doing this. He’s like, you gotta open up a club. And I’m like, alright. That’s it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
08:15
We’re opening up a club. And the process began.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
08:17
Got it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
08:18
All because of Ron. Ron led me to think about moving here. Ron was already out here, so I knew that if I did move to Austin, at least Ron’s here. Yeah. You know? And then Tony moved here, and then Brian Simpson moved here, and then the fucking just the train kept a rolling all night long.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
08:36
It was nuts. I think it was by default. It It was kind of a universe thing where there was a little bit of still water that need to be stirred. Yeah. And when you came, that’s still water stirred and it awakened everybody. Like, hold on. There’s there’s choices outside of the same routine that we’ve been because, you know, I mean, I’m sure y’all’s life was store store store, weekends out, store store store.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
08:54
It was improv too. I did the in the ice house. Yeah. There was a few clubs we did, like, on a regular. Okay. You know, because the the more places to work out, the better. You know, and when we were there were so many of too. You know, we’d we’d have shows, so it’s ai Bill Burr is on, me, Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer. They’re crazy shows. Crazy shows because everybody was in LA.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
09:14
It was a beautiful thing up until the they shut everything down.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
09:18
It’s that beautiful here now, though, bud.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
09:20
Ai know. That’s what’s crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
09:21
What I’m saying. The the the water is complete. I mean, it is
Speaker: Joe Rogan
09:25
And, you know, the best thing is too, there’s an added element that we bring new people in every weekend. Sai every weekend, there’s these big national ai. So they come in on Tuesday, Wednesday, and we’re fucking around all week. Yeah. We’re just having a great time hanging out.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
09:37
That’s what I that’s how I describe your club. I was like, it’s the gym for the greatest comedians in the world, Tuesday through Thursday, and then the other greatest comedians in the world come and rent it from Friday to Sunday. I was like, it’s crazy, dude. It’s like no matter what
Speaker: Joe Rogan
09:51
date you’re showing. Saloni, that’s the anchor. Every Monday. Kill Tony is the anchor of comedy in the known universe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
09:57
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
09:57
It really it’s a grandiose statement, I know. But what Kill Tony shows you is, like, every comic wants a reaction. And some comics, unfortunately, if you’re in specific areas, like, very liberal arya, like Silver Lake has a problem with this, like, those kind of places where everyone’s, like, super woke and they wanna let everyone else know that they’re super woke.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
10:18
It’s ai a kind of thing you have to do. So you get ideologically captured and you you you make material that’s bullshit. You get Claptor. What Kill Tony makes you do is you have one fucking minute. You have one minute, and there’s obviously no rules.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
10:33
By the time you get on stage, you’ve seen Cam go crazy. You’ve seen Hans Kim say some ridiculous shit. Maybe you’ve seen William Montgomery or Brian Holtzman. You’ve seen maniacs on stage killing. And so you got one minute just crack. It’s time to crack. So it sets a tone for comedy. The comedy is just entertaining.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
10:52
No matter how you put it out, no matter what it is, what your style is, what you’d like to talk about, whether you’re Nate Margotzy or whether you’re Shane Gillis. There there’s just a different way to do it. Everybody’s got their own way to do it, but it’s just just go try to find your way.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
11:08
Don’t try any tricks. Don’t try to sneak in some fucking ideological bullshit just because you think people are gonna agree with you and like you more and clap and cheat and you’re gonna say something profound. Shut up. You got one minute. So that sets a tone for all the people coming
Speaker: Jelly Roll
11:23
up. Real.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
11:23
It’s not real. It’s the it’s one of the most important things that’s ever happened to Kanye.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
11:27
Ai to impose their beliefs on you real quick. They’re just trying to make they got 60 seconds to get a fucking laugh. And And the kill Tony crowd will boo you if
Speaker: Joe Rogan
11:35
you don’t.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
11:35
You’ve got about 30 seconds with them ai in an arena little time. In an arena, real dangerous grounds, dude. Bro, they were especially New Yorkers. The first show in New York, dude. Ai.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
11:47
They were rough. They go hard.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
11:49
You know, when I knew the arena thing was gonna be huge for Tony, I flew down here for the first one he did because we were drunk at the bar that night, and he was like, I’m gonna play an arena. I was like, I’m gonna come sing the national anthem. And it’s a it was a joke because I don’t sing the national anthem. I have a rule.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
12:01
I don’t sing the national anthem. But I told him I was gonna do it, so I came down. And we’re watching, the first comedian this night at the HEB Center. Right? The first bucket pull comes up, and you could tell this bitch did not have any idea she was gonna get called or anything to say.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
12:19
This is the first you’re talking about, a gift from God for Tony. Right? She’s not up there 18 seconds, Joe, before they ai that she’s just, you know, falafelined. Oh. The boo birds came. They didn’t start slowly and grow like they normally do. It was ai 13 or 12000 people made the decision at once.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
12:38
What a horrible feeling.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
12:43
What a horrible feeling.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
12:44
And I was like, oh, yeah. This is gonna explode in arenas. I was like, Kelton is gonna fuck in arenas.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
12:49
It’s it’s a bet it’s the best show for that kind of an audience.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
12:53
We watch it every Monday on the bus. Chaotic. Yeah. Full disclosure, like, as a bus. Imagine, like, a bunch of music dudes every Monday that were, like, religiously. It’s something we have together. You know what I mean? It’s something that the whole band can agree on.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
13:06
The other thing about Kill Tony was in the beginning, Tony wasn’t famous, no one was famous, and they were just going hard. And then as everyone got famous, they kept going hard. Whereas it’s very hard to just jump in and do something that wild now, and there was nothing like it during COVID. There’s just nothing like it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
13:25
You had this live show every week in front of a live audience and everybody else is locked down. We have to wear your fucking mask or you’re walking your dog, you know, like, what is going on?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
13:33
No. You’re having to bring it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
13:34
It it was also just ai this rejection of norm, you know, rejection of whatever is going what whatever people think the comedy industry is. Because people think the comedy industry is ai some group of people with power that control and give people specials that don’t deserve it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
13:52
There’s all this ai weird weird thoughts about the comedy business. But when the comedy business is only comedians, it’s a completely different experience. And that’s what Kill Tony is. There’s no business element behind it. There’s no networks. No. There’s no producers. There’s no there’s no person no executive worrying about their fucking mortgage. You can’t say that, Tony.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
14:12
No. There’s none of that. So it’s just wild.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
14:14
No. It’s it’s complete chaos all the time. It’s the greatest show on the Internet, period. That’s the truth. That’s how it works.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
14:20
Rules. And it’s, like I said
Speaker: Jelly Roll
14:21
But you’re talking about people that do more when they get there. And that meh and you were talking off record, right, who brought me off record off of ai We were walking in here about have you hang around 9 long enough, you’ll be the 10th. Yeah. And God bless me that in the last few years, in light of my success, I’ve been
Speaker: Joe Rogan
14:31
kid had really
Speaker: Jelly Roll
14:31
cool friends. Like, Tony and I become really good friends. You and I become really good friends. And I’ve been able to watch, like, a student of the game, guys like y’all, Bert, Tom, and go, meh, these dudes are turning the heat up as it matters. Like, the content’s flowing ai it’s only getting bigger.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
14:51
Last year, Joe, my most successful year of my career, I wrote more songs than I’ve ever wrote in a single year as a free man. That’s amazing. JL is a different concept because fuck. Well, I wrote a song a day. You know what I mean? Mhmm.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
15:04
But I wrote a 100 and I turned in a 170 songs in my ai last year. Shit. I just couldn’t quit writing them. I was on the bus. I just could not I could not at every corner, I was getting done with show. You know, I do 5 shows a week. It’s just how we tour.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
15:17
I was getting straight on the bus and just grabbing a guitar and just pouring ideas. I’m putting out 27 songs when this podcast is out. My album, Beautifully Bryden, is out right now. I had 22 on the album, and I had 5 or 6 features that I was gonna do for deluxe next week.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
15:32
And my wife teased one of the songs that’s kinda doing good, so I think I’m just gonna drop them all tomorrow today, technically, anyway. So
Speaker: Joe Rogan
15:38
Dude, you’re so at home on stage. It’s crazy. You know, when you did New York, New York at Madison Square Garden, I asked tyler. I’m like, how often do you just do this? Just get up there and sing. How often are you doing this? It’s it’s a crazy thing because it’s ai just you. You just are you up there? You know, 15,000 people, 50,000 people, it’s just jelly roll.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
15:58
That’s it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
15:58
It’s, that’s when a ai, like, you know, you’re you’re just so in the zone and so on top of your game. It’s just beautiful to watch someone that’s in the zone because you recognize that that feeling is a great feeling when you’re just, like, totally in tune with what you’re doing.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
16:13
Ai love when I see a comic that’s in there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
16:15
And you know it’s a flow. Yeah. You know what I mean? When you know Last
Speaker: Joe Rogan
16:18
time, Dave Attell was here, it was right before he filmed his special. My god. It was magic.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
16:24
Oh, he’s so different.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
16:25
Oh ai god. He’s so good right now. If you get a chance to see Dave Attell live, if you’re a comedy fan, you have to see him. He’s and now I’m sure he’s got a whole bunch of new stuff because the special’s out. But god ram, he’s in this fucking flow. He’s a like a like a meh master up there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
16:41
It’s scary how comfortable he is. I got so I’ve never been to the cellar. It’s been a dream of mine. I had a night in New York. I’d finished TV, so I went to the cellar that night. And I got David Tell’s number on Bert’s tour. I went on Bert’s fully, fully loaded tour this year for fun. Did I tell you the story?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
16:55
I think so.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
16:55
Just like I think I told you, but just like to fuck off, I called Bert and was like, yo, can I just park my bus and just come fuck off for, like, 5 or 6 shows? And he was like, what? I was like, yeah. He was like, will you sing? I was like, fuck. Yeah. Whatever. I’ll come sing a song or 2.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
17:08
So I just go open a guitar every night
Speaker: Joe Rogan
17:09
between comedians. That’s amazing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
17:10
But me and Dave would hang out every night. Me, Dave, Big Jay, Oakerson, so, Soter, Morrell, and we would all just Bert, we’re there. I’m just, like, having the cool I’m just, like, I’m rarely quiet as I am back there because I’m just listening. Because these dudes are telling they’re greatest storytellers ever
Speaker: Joe Rogan
17:27
Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
17:28
Telling old stories.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
17:29
Great guys too. Sooner. He’s the best.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
17:31
Sooner’s the dude, son. So I’m like
Speaker: Joe Rogan
17:34
Sam’s fucking amazing too. They’re just such good guys too.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
17:37
And such good real just different level comedians too, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
17:40
They’re great comedians, but they’re just great people too. They’re fun to hang with. There’s a great crop. There’s a great crop of people coming up right now. You know, Norman and Shane and all all these guys coming up right now are so good. It’s a different level.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
17:53
It’s a different level. David Till gives me his number. He’s like, call me if you’re ever in New York. I know he I see he has a flip phone. Right? Dave pulls the flip phone out. So I’m in New York, and I just, like, randomly and I say, Dave, when I call you, I’m gonna be in New York City trying to find you. Okay?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
18:06
He said he said, no problem. I’ll be at the seller. That’s what he tells me. Right? I call this dude.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
18:11
Me and Ian Finance are standing sitting at the bar, and I say, I’m gonna call Dave and see what time he’s coming. I called. 3rd ring, Dave answers and go, you here? I go, I am. He goes, you need help getting in? I was like, I’m in.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
18:22
He said, see you in a few. Flips the phone down. It was the most David Dell thing ever.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
18:29
He’s one of the only guys I know that stopped partying, got completely sober, and got way better. Way better. A lot of guys, there’s ai this thing that they have when they’re, you know, doing drugs especially where they’re just ai. And sometimes that wildness is like a magical energy on stage. Like, I couldn’t imagine a sober Kinison. That would have been really weird. Man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
18:54
Like, Kinison’s whole thing goes, like, I’m here to fucking party. Yes. Like, he was partying, dude, arya. And that’s why we didn’t get much out of him. We only got, like, really a couple of good albums out of Kinison because he’s just going too hard.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
19:06
His family came to my show in El Paso, the Poly Sana, and they brought me Sam Kinison’s original gospel discs. Oh, wow. They gave me, like, 5 of them, Joe. It’s one of my most prized possessions now. How is it?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
19:23
How’s the music?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
19:24
Oh, it’s crazy. Well, it’s a lot of preaching on there too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
19:26
Is it preaching and
Speaker: Jelly Roll
19:27
singing? Yeah. It was a lot of preaching on the first one. I didn’t get to the second one yet. I hadn’t had a disc player. They brought all 5 of meh now I was so scared to fuck them up. I immediately put them in a, pelican crate and sent them home.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
19:37
Oh, wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
19:37
Ai was like, this is crazy. You know what I mean? That the I mean, the whole Kennison family is, like, 10 of them in there sharing all these cool stories because I wanted them as Polly said, the Kennison family wants to come see your show. I said, I want them to see my show because I have so much of my show is derivative from Sam Kennison. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
19:53
Like, there’s so much I’m a southern gospel man anyways. I went to a southern church, so I just understood Kinison’s inflections and that kind of thing. It just spoke to me
Speaker: Joe Rogan
20:02
Right. Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
20:02
Right. From where I’m from. So it’s ai, I have always tried to I I tell people I’m somewhere between Billy Graham and Sam Kinison. Kinison. You know what I mean? As far as, like, how you know, when you gotta come see I’ll be I do the Moody Center in November. Okay. It’s a middle of the week too. You should be able to make it. Go. It’ll be fun.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
20:17
I’m trying to talk Carrie into putting a a closed on Mitzi’s door sign that says closed, gone to the Jelly Roll shah. Speaking of Mitzy’s, can I tell you something I wanna I’ve been waiting to talk to you about this Okay? In person. I was so inspired by the time I’ve spent with you down here and more importantly, the time I speak at your club even without you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
20:37
Just they treat me I don’t know if you hear the stories, but Ai become a fixture of furniture there when I’m in town. And, I am opening I’m announcing this now right here that I’m opening my bar on Broadway in Nashville, Tennessee, which is a real big deal. You’ve been to Broadway.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
20:51
It’s all after country music stars. I’m the 1st Nashville native to get a bar. So, like, the 1st kid from the city to get a bar. But I was so inspired by the way the mothership has Mitzi’s, and it’s like an honor to Mitzi’s. And what y’all do that I have put my my bar is gonna be called Jelly Roll’s Ai Nashville, but I have a back bar called Buddy’s named after my late father.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:13
Ah. And it was completely inspired from what you have done at Mitzi’s.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
21:18
Oh, that’s great.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:18
All the way down to the we’re gonna set his chair there for him. You know what I mean? Like, it’s just so inspiring, and it’s gonna be just like y’all. Our rule is it’s open to the public when it’s open to the public. Mhmm. And when it’s not, it’s not.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
21:30
Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:30
You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
21:31
Yeah. Like Mitzi’s. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:32
It’s like because that place has created such a safe place for me to party. Yeah. This is what me and Post Malone talk about when we’re drunk by ourselves. We’re like, we need to go back to Charleston. Let’s just go hang. It’s like the safest bar in the world. You know what I’m just saying?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:44
It’s ai, I can say anything here. I know I’m okay.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
21:47
Everybody’s cool. The whole staff’s cool. The staff’s mostly comedians. You
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:51
know? But my question was, can I send my buddy’s bartender to hang out with Carrie for a week and shadow her?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
21:57
A 100%.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
21:58
Sure. Carrie said she’s into it. She just sai, add Joe.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:00
I was like, this is Yeah. Whatever you need.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:02
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:02
Yeah. That’s a great idea.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:03
I think I’m gonna send her down in November around my show here. I’m gonna bring her with me so she can meet Carrie that night ai Carrie runs the ultimate celebrity bar to me.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:11
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:11
Like, she deals with complete chaos down there with them comedians. I’ve watched it. It is wild.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:16
Well, Carrie learned how to do it at the store. That’s why I hired her. She was one of the first ai.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:21
Oh, Jesus.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:22
Because I told her, I go you know, she was, like, the one of the first people I contacted. Ai, like, I’m gonna open up a club.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:27
She’s awesome, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:28
I had to get her out here because she was like the mother of the back bar.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:32
That’s how I feel about it. So the
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:33
back bar at the store was it was completely removed. There’s now no general public at all. It’s a very small have you ever been in the back bar of the store?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
22:40
Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:40
Yeah. So Carrie ran that place. So she kept everybody in line. Punky was there too before Punky was on SNL. It’s hilarious. She used to run that back bar too. And we used to all hang out there. Like, anybody, you know, you could be safe there. Any all these celebrities, people from out of town, they’d all just find their way to that weird little private bar, so I kinda knew.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
22:59
And originally, Mitzi’s was not gonna be open to the public at all. It was just gonna be a private bar. But then along the way, we’d said, you know what? It doesn’t hurt to, like, have it open to the general public, like, up until a certain ai, and then from that time out, have it everybody after the shows are over because that’s when everybody really wants to hang.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
23:17
And that was ai the best blending of both worlds, you know. But it was that old bar in Hollywood was it had her bar from her home that they had moved and put there. So the actual bar that you put drinks on was from her home.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
23:33
Yeah. Yeah. So
Speaker: Joe Rogan
23:34
it’s like that there was ai a piece of her there with us all the time. So when we decided to do this place, I’m like, we gotta have a bar just for Meh. Just it’s the same ai of same kind of vibe. Yeah. You know? No.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
23:46
I mean, it it touched my soul in such a way that I wanted to do it for my father.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
23:50
That’s awesome.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
23:51
You know what I mean? So I just want you to know that the Mitzi legacy has went even further and that what y’all have created there is spreading on to, me almost got me emotional talking about a woman I never met. I just know she did so much for you.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
24:02
She did so much for everybody. Yeah. She’s the most important person in the history of comedy that’s not a comedian.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
24:08
Pauley’s shared some really cool stories with me, about her, and it’s just man, it’s just unreal. I got to spend a little time with Pauley because I went to that back bar there. The cool thing is because of y’all, I’ve now found y’all’s community embraces me everywhere now, so I’m safe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
24:22
If I’m in a city now, if I’m in LA, I’m like, where’s the comedy club?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
24:26
Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
24:26
I bet they got a back bar. Call Adam Ray. You know what I’m saying? Adam Ray is like, hey. I’m at the back bar at the at the store. Come on. I’m like, yes. Yeah. On the way.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
24:35
Yeah. It’s a fun group of people contrary to popular belief. Yeah. Popular belief is that comedians are all, like, miserable.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
24:42
No, dude. It’s actually the funniest, the greatest storytellers ever. I could I could listen to guys like Bert talk all night. Yeah. I can listen to Joey Diaz talk all night.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
24:51
I’ve known Joey for 30 years. He still tells me new stories.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
24:54
Yeah. It’s crazy. No, dude. It’s crazy, man. Because Joey
Speaker: Joe Rogan
24:57
How do you still have stories?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
24:58
It’s crazy, dude. Because well, Joey could go to the store today and have a story.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
25:01
Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
25:01
You know what I mean? It’d just be fucking one of the one of the best stories ever. I I think we’re all in the storytelling business. Right? That’s what I do too. Sure. I’m telling stories. I’m not doing it, in a comedic way, but I’m I’m still telling a story. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
25:14
Like, it’s all that kind of story. I would I am attracted to storytellers. You know?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
25:18
I think we all are.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
25:20
I mean, that’s why you love a good movie. That’s why you
Speaker: Joe Rogan
25:22
love a good book.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
25:23
Especially one that’s somebody that can tell a story that can capture you in a certain way.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
25:26
I think it was probably the oldest form of entertainment. Right? Once people when they first started learning language, I bet the oldest form of entertainment was probably recreating a thing they saw.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
25:37
Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
25:38
Yeah. Had to be. Right?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
25:39
Yeah. For sure. But but think about the old, let’s sit around the campfire, read stories. I mean, that’s I’m sure they were telling tyler. Tall tales is what they used to call them. Think about how long we’ve been hearing these kind of stories of people just telling stories.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
25:50
Also, back then, that was the only time in your day that you got to relax. When you’re sitting around the campfire, that was the only time. It was dark out. There was nothing to do. You found all the food you’re gonna ai, and you’re gonna get up in the morning and go right back at it all day long again, and then eventually find your way back to the campfire.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
26:08
So the campfire was like the time where people would sit around and entertain each other Wow. In prehistory. Yeah. That’s deep. Because you’re
Speaker: Jelly Roll
26:15
thinking about it, like, from a hunting perspective too. They had to go out all day and find the food.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
26:19
Yeah. You can only
Speaker: Jelly Roll
26:20
do that when the sun was out. You can only do it when the sun
Speaker: Joe Rogan
26:22
was out. In the nighttime, it’s fucking dangerous because there’s predators out there. Sai ai is the best thing to keep off the predators, you know, ai, and everybody gathers around the fire because the predators don’t wanna come to the fire. Fuck, man. And that’s where people learn how to tell stories. That’s why we’re so attracted to it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
26:38
And they were doing fucking drugs back then too. I’m sure they were smoking pot and doing all kind of
Speaker: Joe Rogan
26:43
They were doing all
Speaker: Jelly Roll
26:43
kinds of Somebody had already figured out that cow shit mushrooms could make you feel great.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
26:47
Yeah. 100%. 100%. They tried everything. They were starving. They tried a little bit of eating everything, and they figured out what you can eat and what kills you. Imagine going through mushrooms and trying to figure out which ones kill you and which ones get you to see God.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
26:59
Yeah. They had to figure that out, trial and error.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
27:01
Could you how many times they had to go through it and go back and go listen, y’all? I’ve done this a few times and I’m pretty confident that there is this thing that goes in the shah. Yeah. It makes me feel fucking like God. You know what I’m saying? It’s crazy, dude. Somebody had to be that guy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
27:14
Did
Speaker: Joe Rogan
27:14
you ever hear about John Marco Allegro in the book The Sacred Mushroom in the Scrolls? Mm-mm. It’s, Sacred Mushroom what it was no. It’s a Sacred Mushroom in the Christian meh and what was there’s 2 different Sacred Mushroom ram the Dead Sea Scrolls, I think, is one of them.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
27:30
What is the what are the titles of his book? Sacred Mushroom in the Cross. Sacred Mushroom in the Cross. And then there is another one? There’s another one that he released after the Catholic church allegedly bought out all the copies of the first one to get rid of it. Wow.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
27:44
And the something in the Christian meh. Dead Sea Scrolls in the Christian myth. The Dead Sea Scrolls in the Christian myth.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
27:48
I read the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
27:49
Sai this guy thinks that all of religion is stories about mushrooms. He thinks that the entire Christian religion was about psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. He thinks that what they were doing was they would have these stories, especially when they’re conquered by the Romans.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
28:05
They’d have these stories sai they would hide the truth in stories and in, you know, allegories and all these different Right. Tales.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
28:12
Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
28:13
But he thinks that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
28:19
I can tell you this. On ram I mean, I’m a man of faith, but on brand with that is Jesus told stories and he taught in stories. Mhmm. Jesus never gave a direct a direction. He always was just like, well and then he’d tell a story, and you would have to figure out you know what I mean? It was like, okay.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
28:36
The story would show the it was always in story form too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
28:39
Maybe they knew that was the best way to ensure that people would tell it the same way every time. Oh. You You know, because if you have a story, in the story Noah has an ark and he brings the animals in the ark and God tells him he’s gonna do this and he’s gonna do that and he does does it and then, you know, if you have a story then that information keeps getting told essentially the same way over and over and over again.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
29:01
Like, we can read the Epic of Gilgamesh today. That’s a 6000 year old story. Something like that. 5000? Yeah. We can read that today. Sana nuts.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
29:12
That’s
Speaker: Joe Rogan
29:12
Right? That’s crazy because it’s a story. Because it’s a story. But if it was just people talking about what what you should do or what happened and, you know, like, when it’s history, man, we can’t trust history from the sixties. Yeah. History from the sixties. We’re we’re finding out new shit every day about the Kennedy assassination. Yeah. That was fucking 63, man. 63. That’s 51 fucking years ago.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
29:35
That’s insane, and we’re still trying to figure out what the fuck happened. And this is, like, with modern ai, they had television. They had printing press. Yeah. They had all these different things. They had accountability. They had elected officials. They had democracy. Still can’t figure out what the fuck happened. And that’s 63.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
29:52
So imagine trying to figure out what the fuck happened 5000 years ago. You know, it’s ai who knows who’s telling the truth, who knows that you’ve got it ai sort through the rubble and figure out what the fucking the facts shah. But if you have a story, even if it’s like there’s something hidden in that story
Speaker: Jelly Roll
30:10
Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
30:11
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30:29
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Speaker: Jelly Roll
31:35
That’s deep. That’s yeah. All that all that was in story. You think about stories too is they said I’ve never been in the pyramid, but they said that all that stuff on the inside of it is just a story. Right? It’s all telling a story to the cyber. Ai telling stories or when they have the guys chasing these things with the speak, they’re, like, trying to show a story. It’s all trying to tell a story, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
31:55
A lot of mushrooms too. Yeah. There’s a lot of images then with mushrooms.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
31:58
I might love mushrooms today. It’s my album release today I’m thinking about. I don’t know if I wanna do mushrooms.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:03
They should be legal.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
32:04
I know. Right? God, they should be legal. They should
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:06
be legal and regulated, and people should figure out what the fuck they do.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
32:10
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:10
Should do a lot of research. Figure out what this is. This might be the thing that gets us out of there. Just some ai nation
Speaker: Jelly Roll
32:17
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:17
And connects together.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
32:18
I know every time I’ve went deep, it was life changing for me. Like, I’ll do a lot of mushrooms every now and then just like, you know, oh, let’s get but anytime I was like, let’s go, it was a life changing experience every time.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:30
It’s funny that people wanna reject that as not being that’s what’s really important is to keep people from, like, losing their mind and losing their ambition and and becoming ai the hippies were in the 19 sixties following Timothy Leary. That’s what everybody’s worried about. Everybody’s worried about, like, this collapse of society because people, they give up on capitalism.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:48
They they tune in and drop out, you know, that that whole thing. I don’t think that’s real.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
32:54
That’s right. I don’t think
Speaker: Joe Rogan
32:56
I think I don’t think we should be worried about that. I think those people are always gonna wanna drop out. The people that are they wanna fuck off are always gonna wanna fuck off. And if you give them an excuse, yeah, they’re gonna do it. But that’s just a style of person. That’s not gonna affect most people. Most people would benefit, especially if they’re not crazy. They don’t have, like, mental health problems.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
33:16
It’ll you’ll probably get something out of it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
33:19
Yeah. I mean, it’s it’s helped me in some of my most depressed moments. If I’m really in a dark, dark spot and can’t get out of it, my wife will encourage me to go trip. She’ll be like, why don’t you go? Can we like ai got this, called the Buffalo River back in Tennessee. It’s out outside of a little town called Horn Ai, Tennessee. Look. Old Country River, man.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
33:36
I mean, look, Country Creek River. We’re I mean, it’s a river, but it’s kinda shallow. You can see the bottom of it. We’ll go it’s called floating the buffalo. We’ll go out there and just float the buffalo.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
33:44
And every now and about twice a year, me and the buddies will go out there, and we’ll just take 6 or 7. Damn. Ai just float the buffalo.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
33:51
Damn.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
33:51
So if I haven’t got to do it in a year because of the schedule, my wife will feel that on me and be like, no. You might need to go to the buffalo. You know what I’m saying? She’s like, well, she’ll she’ll say it really cool. She’ll be like, when’s the last time you floated the buffalo? And I’ll be like, it’s been a year, hadn’t it?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
34:04
She’ll be like, I think you you and Scary Larry is one of my best friends. And he’s I’ve known we met each other in juvenile hall. He’s a just wild character. Sai goes, you and Scary should go float to Buffalo. So it’s ai, encourage me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
34:15
Like, she knows I’m gonna come back a way better husband, way better father.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
34:19
You know what the wildest theory I’ve ever heard about psilocybin is? Is that, it came from outer speak. That’s a an organism from another planet. And the reason for this is that they know that, spores can survive in the vacuum of speak. And, there’s a thing called panspermia.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
34:38
What panspermia is is the idea that, like, an asteroid slams into a planet, and it takes amino acids and ai organisms that that can survive in space and and a bunch of different elements from that planet and then introduces those new elements to another planet by way of an asteroid.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
34:55
And that’s that’s a real thing that we know for sure happens. Right? And they know that that’s how we get iridium. There’s a lot of iridium on Earth, like, in in places where there’s been an impact because it’s really rare on Earth but really common in space. So we know that some shit gets to us.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
35:11
And, apparently, I’m too stupid to understand this, but the way botanist ai it and see if you could find any information on this. There’s something very unusual about the compound psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms, psilocybin cubensis mushrooms. They’re very weird and they’re they’re not really connected to a lot of the other fungus that’s here in some strange way.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
35:32
Ai, the way they work is, like, also very tied into human neurochemistry. Like, it’s really close to, like, dimethyltryptamine, which is a part of human neurochemistry. And so the craziest theory is that it’s come from space. Living spores have been found and collected in every level of Earth’s atmosphere.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
35:48
Mushroom spores are electron dense and can survive in the vacuum of space. Additionally, their outer layer is actually metallic and of a purple hue, which naturally allows the spore to deflect ultraviolet light. And as if all this wasn’t unique enough, the outer shell of the spore is the hardest organic compound to exist in nature.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
36:07
Sai this is, one of the weirder theories. So this is was this Terence McKenna’s theory? Are mushrooms from outer space? Is it bad? It brings them up.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
36:17
I don’t know if it’s officially his theory, but The late ethnobotanist turns we cannot suggest that mushrooms are responsible for human intelligence. Yeah. He had a theory. It’s called the stoned ape theory.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
36:27
Yeah. I heard about that on
Speaker: Joe Rogan
36:29
his file. Theory hypothesized that mushroom spores possess all the necessary requirements to travel on space currents. Furthermore, they could have settled in the brain matter of primitive hominoids and following the lines of modern day hallucinogenic mushrooms directly contributed to our modern day intelligence and self awareness.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
36:49
It’s fucking wild.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
36:51
Yeah. His theory is that’s why I mean, if you could see it there, click on that back again. You could see where it was talking about his theory. So his his theory is very, very bizarre.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
37:03
He said he went on to theorize that mushrooms are the reason there’s human life on Earth.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
37:07
Yeah. Sai while it may seem like material from space from a science fiction novel rather, there is no avoiding the fact that mushrooms possess many traits that are unique to their kingdom alone. Fungi build cell walls of I don’t know how to say that word. Chitin chitin chitin.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
37:21
The same material that makes up the hard outer shell of insects and other arthropods.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
37:25
I’m so country I said chitin.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
37:27
Chitin. Could be chitin chitin. Like chitlins. These cell walls contain similar chemicals found in butterfly and beetle wings as well as the plumage of some colorful bird such as peacocks, living spores. Okay. So we’ve read that, but what is it? There was something about his theory where he’s explaining his theory of how it would have worked. That’s it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
37:48
Well, his his essentially, his theory was that they experimented with mushrooms and it made him better hunters and made him more creative and it made him figure out language. Oh. And it’s he thinks it’s responsible for just, like, this weird mystery of the human brain size.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
38:03
It doubled over a period of 2,000,000 years, and there’s no real solid explanation. It’s a very strange thing. And the crate apparently, the biggest mystery in all the fossil record when it comes to animals and evolution. Ai, how yeah. How the human brain double over 2,000,000 years.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
38:19
Oh, dude. Had them in psilocybin.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
38:22
Probably had a part of it or aliens.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
38:24
Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
38:24
Maybe aliens. Yeah. Maybe both. Maybe they are aliens. You know, Maybe they are aliens. Maybe we’re just looking the wrong way.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
38:33
Maybe we’re fucking aliens. Right? I
Speaker: Joe Rogan
38:35
think we probably are. I think we probably are. We doesn’t seem like we belong here.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
38:39
You know what Ai tell somebody all the time? My new theory is because my life turned out in such a way I never dreamed that this is a simulation and that there is an overweight, nerdy alien that plays meh. And that during my I think about this all the time when I’m hot, and that my sleeping hours are, like, when he’s doing his normal stuff, and my waking hours are his 30 minutes a day.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
38:58
And I just imagine this, like, kid that’s looking back like, mom, you won’t believe what I’ve done with that fat dude the last 9 months. It’s fucking crazy. He’s one of the most famous artists in the world. And she’s like, you gotta get off. He’s like, but he’s going to the Grammys.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
39:14
Yeah. It’s like a super hype version of Red Dead Redemption.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
39:20
Ai dude’s telling people, like, y’all remember that dude we thought wasn’t gonna do it? He did it. Ai fucking figured it out.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
39:25
If it’s a simulation, it’s a really good one. We’re in a good timeline, brother.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
39:29
Oh, it couldn’t be better.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
39:30
We’re in a really good episode. We got a fucking good group of writers.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
39:33
It couldn’t get any color, man. It’s like if you’re on
Speaker: Joe Rogan
39:36
the show and you got writers like this, like, fuck. These writers are amazing. This fucking show is always entertaining. Every day, there’s some drama.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
39:44
Yeah. Oh, especially right now, we’re in the middle of the drama.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
39:47
Oh my goodness. There’s so much. There’s so much. You you could get overwhelmed just looking at the fucking news every day. It’s
Speaker: Jelly Roll
39:53
a great time for me to be in the middle of a tour because I ai missed it all. I’m doing 5 shows a week, and I’m so in the vortex of touring.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
40:00
Yeah. Good.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
40:01
We do that old school rock and roll shit, so we really do play 5 shows a week for 12, 13 weeks. You know?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
40:07
That’s amazing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
40:07
It’s awesome, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
40:08
But, again, that’s why you’re so comfortable up there. Yeah. You’re sai just
Speaker: Jelly Roll
40:12
Yeah. It reeks of a man that’s done a 1,000 shows. Yeah. You know what I mean? It’s like it’s like when you see a comedian up there really comfortable. It’s like when I watched the tyler at the Comedy Cellar, when he leaned back on the wall Yeah. I was like, oh, he’s fitting to kill.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
40:23
When he just walked straight up and leaned back. And then he calls Ian up, and Ian’s just throwing, you know, just shit at him. And he’s just ai in on fire. It’s just it was so good, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
40:33
Yeah. They they’re that’s a good hammer and nail, the 2 of those 2 guys together too. He did that at the club here
Speaker: Jelly Roll
40:38
too. I feel like it’s, it’s it reminds me of, like, the early phases of, like, a bumping Mike’s thing, like a new version of that. Right. Which because when him and Jeff Ross are together, it’s like when David Lucas and Tony are firing on each other. I feel the exact same way when Jeff Ross and David Tyler near each other. Yeah. I get that same excited feeling of ai, oh, some shit’s gonna pop off.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
40:58
You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
40:59
Like Yeah. When David and Tony go after each other, there’s, like, hours on the Internet of just David and Tony shitting on each other.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:05
Oh, thank you.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
41:06
There’s a 100000 ways David can call Tony gay. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:09
And he’s called David a 100000 ways to be fat.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
41:15
It’s just it’s also the way they laugh at each other doing it. Ai, if this is a simulation, man, we picked a really good one.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:20
Yeah. It’s getting tyler and cooler.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
41:22
Elon believes it’s a simulation. He’s a lot smarter than me. Yeah. I’m telling He thinks that the odds that it’s not a simulation are in the billions.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:31
Really?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
41:31
Yeah. In the billions, you said. Wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:33
I’m telling you, dude, there’s a little dude that’s nobody believes that he’s going to school every day. Like, my Minecraft dude is killing it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
41:39
Do you meh, that imposter syndrome thing ever?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:43
Oh, man. So much. I’m I’m somewhere between feeling extremely uncomfortable where I’m at in my career right now or overly comfortable where I’m at in my career. So I’m either having to catch myself and go, woah, big fella.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
41:57
Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
41:57
Come on now, dawg. You were just in jail, 10. You were People that knew you 6 years ago hate you still. You know what I’m saying? It’s like and then and then I have situations where I’m like, I don’t belong here. I’m having that moment right now. This is this is my first album, Joe, that is gonna be in a fight for the number one album in the world. Never dreamed.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
42:21
Now this is ai, what the fuck am I doing here? You know what I mean? Like, that’s a different world.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
42:27
Do you think that’s maybe something that you shouldn’t even think about? Because, like, your music’s amazing. You’re amazing. Mhmm. Maybe all that just let it just exist.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
42:37
No. That’s what I that’s what I’ve been and that’s how
Speaker: Joe Rogan
42:40
I It’s so big now. It’s almost ai if you pay attention to it, you’re gonna go blind. Oh.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
42:44
You know
Speaker: Joe Rogan
42:44
what I’m saying? Ai, you
Speaker: Jelly Roll
42:45
kinda stare at
Speaker: Joe Rogan
42:46
the sun.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
42:46
Yeah. You
Speaker: Joe Rogan
42:47
kinda stare at the sun. Like, it used to be you had a little ai. You’re warming your hands because it’s cold outside. Right. But now you’re kinda staring at the sana, and maybe just be jelly roll.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
42:57
That’s that’s what I Yeah. But what’s meh being jelly roll got me to the point that they’re now saying I might have a number one album.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
43:03
You probably know what
Speaker: Jelly Roll
43:04
I’m saying? And then you’re in a place where you’re like, holy fuck. And that’s where the imposter syndrome comes in because you’re like, yo. I wasn’t even
Speaker: Joe Rogan
43:11
That’s where friends are bored.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
43:12
Yeah. Yeah. I didn’t have a billboard hot 100 song Right. Until 24, 36 months ago.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
43:20
Yeah. You you exploded. Yeah. But you handle it beautifully. You really do. You because you feel, like, genuine gratitude. Yeah. Genuine gratitude comes off of you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
43:30
Man, thank you. It’s real. I am true. You feel it. I mean, you know me. I’m I’m can’t believe this is happening. It’s still I know you can’t, but you’re It’s fucking sai wildest thing ever, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
43:39
It is. Every corner. We deserve it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
43:41
I was just with, our boy Brigham doing some blood work and getting some getting some some, some shit to make my feel better. I broke my broke my heel. And, we were talking about that of, like, living in the gratitude of it to the and realizing even you saying that we’re since such a special simulation.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
44:02
Like, this the time of this, I know I keep going back to the same point, but it’s where meh heart is right now is watching me and a bunch of guys that were all at this ai same thing at the same time 3 or 4 years ago that you could feel the teapot bubbling. Uh-huh. And all of us being, like, a little left of center. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
44:21
Like, I wasn’t supposed to be in country music the way that they’ve embraced me. Outside looking in, you’d never guess. Right. Outside looking in, you could’ve never said that Kill Tony would be the number one live podcast on the Internet. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
44:34
Or that Schultz’s podcast would be or that, me and, Zach Ai would have this similar of course, he would end up being way bigger than me, but this, like, similar kind of ai songs our whole life that nobody really heard. And then all of a sudden, they got it’s just it’s probably the craziest synergies that could have ever happened in any scenario for me in any way.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
44:59
And it’s inspired me to get healthy. It’s, like, gave me purpose, and I’ve never felt more loved. I’ve never felt more warmed or welcomed. I spent so much time feeling the opposite of love. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
45:13
Even walking in here and playing with Carl, there was a time in my life where I would’ve walked in here and that dog would’ve let y’all know I was not a good person. You know what I’m saying? That that you would’ve just looked and be like, why is Carl acting weird with this big guy?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
45:25
You know what
Speaker: Joe Rogan
45:25
I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
45:26
Yeah. Just what’s up with kids were the same way, dude? Kids would look at me and squall. You know what I mean? And, it’s it’s really inspired me to start focusing on my health, dude. Dude, I’m down a £100 now. Officially down a £100 fucking.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
45:38
That’s amazing. Congratulations. That’s really huge.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
45:40
Huge. That’s
Speaker: Joe Rogan
45:41
a bit massive accomplishment.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
45:42
Thank you, brother. It’s been all food. I’m working out. I’m walking. But what I’ve learned is as I’m losing the weight, it’s inspiring me to just Keep going. By nature, I wanna go walk and do more stuff because I’m fucking I’m lighter. I feel better. So when the ai like, you wanna go play basketball?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
45:56
We’re playing basketball 3 days a week now. Wow. You wanna hear the coolest act of love, Joe? I’ll I’ll try not to get emotional talking about this, but my whole band has watched me fight cocaine addiction. They watched me get off coke.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
46:15
They watched me get off lean. They’ve watched me figure my life out slowly, and they knew that the last mountain for me was food. So we started putting a real structure around. I hired a real nutritionist. He’s out here with me now. I mean, like, I’m only eating his food.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
46:30
I’m just, like, super with it. We’re getting anything that could, you know, out of the green room for just so I’m working out every day walking around the arenas. And one day, they have a basketball court because we’re fucking playing in a this is insane, by the way, that I’m playing fucking NBA arenas.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
46:43
And, like, I’m playing where the fucking Orlando I’m on Orlando Magic Court. Like, what’s up? I feel I’m talking like a fucking fat shack. But, so the first day, it’s just ai me and, like, 3 or 4 dudes. The crew heard, dude, the next day, 30. The whole crew showed up for me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
47:00
And ai don’t you know, these dudes are just they’re just there because they know it’s helping me kinda. So now 3 days a week, we’re renting basketball courts and having full blown fucking tournaments. Wow. And it’s been so good for me because it’s ai reconnecting to my childhood in this really weird way of, like, I grew up in a community where there were basketball courts, and we would all go play.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
47:17
You know what I mean? It’s like, it’s been really, ai, it’s been the best experience ever. And I’m getting to do it in, like, back to that weird shit. Not only are you experiencing this with your friends and people you love, and then you’re doing it at the San Antonio Spurs court.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
47:28
And the San Antonio Spurs coaches out there giving you pointers and fucking being the referee. Amazing. You’re you’re the Sacramento Kings coach is fucking shooting with you. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
47:37
Yeah. Elon’s right. This is similar. This is not this ain’t real life. No. It can’t be.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
47:43
It’s unreal, dude. Leaving Ai Arena, but Sai was also, telling Brigham, talking about the humility too is that I’m still nervous walking in here. We’re friends. And, you know, what you tell us all the time is what you told Brigham. Nobody’s gonna tell you. We’re just 2 friends talking.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
47:57
I was like, I know what 20,000,000 motherfuckers listening, dawg. I fucking I’m not falling for that. We’re just 2 buddies talking shit.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
48:02
Don’t look at the sun.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
48:04
That’s it. You’re right. It’s the same thing. You know how much I needed to hear that? Yeah. Especially, like because I’ve I don’t get in my head about stuff, but just this week was the first time the label called and said, hey. We don’t wanna we wanna put this on your radar because it might make you wanna promote the record. Mhmm. You might have a number one album.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
48:20
And I was like, woah. Dude, this shit wasn’t even in my mind. When I had a number ai album last year, you couldn’t have told me I didn’t have a number one album. You know what I’m saying? I was like, fuck you.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
48:30
Crazy. You know
Speaker: Jelly Roll
48:30
what I’m saying? Is this what’s in that? What’s in water?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
48:32
This is coffee. That’s water. Okay. Yeah. It’s it’s a wild experience, man. And if it’s not real, boy, we picked a really good simulation.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
48:40
It’s been great, though, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
48:42
It’s been It’s great to hear that you’re on this positive track because it’s all now just about momentum. It’s just about staying on the course. That’s what’s hard for people is getting the good momentum.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
48:51
Yeah. I’m building the momentum. I had a moment the other day. I was telling Schultz this. It was a really small win, but for a food lifelong food addict, could Joe, I was up to 550 some pounds. I was having to weigh myself at meat places. You know, and, I was telling him that I used to walk in and ai a drug addict, I would scan the room and make a count of everything I could eat.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
49:13
You know what I mean? Like, if you had, like, the little baby Snickers and a little thing or and, ai, the other day Ai was in my green ram, and somebody was in the green room and they picked up a piece of candy and said, did you yeah. You you sana one of these? Because we just got hit hit a dab or something. I didn’t even know the candy was in there, Joe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
49:30
Because normally, they get the can they don’t put shit like that in my room. And that was the first time I was like, oh, I’m on to something. Like, I’m fucking winning right now. Right. Like, I didn’t even notice that that could have been eating milk for 5 hours. Right. I didn’t know.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
49:43
You know what I mean? I would have them all. I didn’t even scan for candy. It wasn’t even it’s not even a thought now when I walk into places. Is is there a candy dish here? You know what I mean? That used to be literally one of the first things I would look for.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
49:54
You know, is there a candy dish here? I’ve had to make so many different small habit changes, but it’s been the fucking I was just telling, Bub out there, and I was telling Bruce on the way in here, I feel this good just losing a £100, Joe, and I’m still I’ve never told my weight, but I’m sai tell it here because I want some accountability from people.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
50:12
I’m 420 something now. 420. And, imagine Ai I’m talk I’m walking around different, talking different. My shoulders are setting different. I’m fucking my wife different.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
50:24
I’m just kinda you know, I’m moving different.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
50:25
Bro, you probably have crazy powerful legs.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
50:27
Dude, it’s crazy, Joe.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
50:29
Massive leg muscles.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
50:30
Going to the gym now. Ai, dude. What as much as you can fit on that thing, I’m throwing. Of course. Throwing. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
50:38
You’ve been carrying around £500. Yeah. 500 plus. Your legs must be sturdy as fuck.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
50:43
No, dude. It’s
Speaker: Joe Rogan
50:44
And if you could lose weight now, you’re gonna have, like, super legs. Should I keep going?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
50:48
No. Joe, man, my goal is when I come back and do this next year, it’s gonna be fucking insane. Like, I’ve never been more dialed in. I’ve never cared more about it. Ai never been happier. What are
Speaker: Joe Rogan
50:59
you eating? Like, what is the guy cheating?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
51:01
Oh, dude, man. He’s here. He’s, he’s actually been really killing it for me. So I have from eating bad for so many years, my gut has just been fucked. So we’ve just been focusing on slowing down the gut. I’m only eating twice a day. I’m eating a fruit snack in between. Do you
Speaker: Joe Rogan
51:16
ever do any fasting?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
51:17
Mhmm. Yeah. I’m I’m trying to fast one day a week now just to work on, like, the autophagy. So some of these skin cells, so I won’t be as I don’t wanna be saggy. You know what I mean? Something to lose that count.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
51:26
Do you know that story about that one dude that went on nothing but a vitamin IV drip for
Speaker: Jelly Roll
51:31
a year? And lost 200 and something pounds.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
51:33
I think he lost £300. Meh.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
51:35
I’ve watched
Speaker: Joe Rogan
51:35
that one. Like £300? Something crazy like that. This dude had no food Yeah. For you just and his fat shrunk, but his skin shrunk too.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
51:43
Yeah. That’s what happens. It’s called somebody told me, and I could have the name wrong here, y’all, but it’s called autophagy.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
51:49
Have you heard of this? I think autophagy is
Speaker: Jelly Roll
51:51
Ain’t that where the skin cells?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
51:53
I think your body gets rid of all bad cells. This is, like, something that comes with fasting. Yeah. Bad cells is definitely the scientific version of it, but I think
Speaker: Jelly Roll
52:02
I think the way they explain it to me is that it has something to do with the elastic Alexis Alexis. How do you say it?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
52:07
Elasticity.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
52:08
Elasticity of the sai. Mhmm. And that is what helps. So that’s why we’re one day a speak, at least every other week, I’m just taking a full 24 hours. Ai I’m only eating probably 8 or 9 hours a day now anyway, so I’m kinda intermittent anyway.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
52:19
The real bummer when people lose a lot of weight is that you got all this extra skin. Ai, Ethan Supplee, he had to have all that shit cut and stitched up.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
52:27
I’ve listened to that podcast with him twice in the last 90 days for y’all’s full 3 hour podcast as first to be here. Just just to kinda I love the way he thinks. Yeah. It’s just, you know
Speaker: Joe Rogan
52:39
He’s a ai guy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
52:40
Yeah. I love for me, I’m I’m always looking for, like, inspiration. As, as a songwriter, we’re always writing a song. Mhmm. You know, as a comedian, you’re always looking for a joke. You know what I mean? So, that kind of fine I’m always looking for that. So when I found that pod, I was like, oh, this dude.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
52:56
And he kinda did the did what I would how he looks now is a dream scenario for me. He didn’t get, like, crazy big, but he doesn’t look like saggy sick. Because sometimes when you go from being as big as we’ve gotten, you get down to £300 and people start looking at you ai, are you okay?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
53:12
And you’re like, I’m fucking better than I’ve ever been. You know what I mean? They’re worried. Yeah. They’re worried. You know? Because but they’ve just couldn’t imagine.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
53:18
You know what I mean? Even when I just told, I always forget his name, but your guy out there, the archer ai. Worked at the archery store. Great guy. But I was just telling him that Ai, Ai I’ve yeah. Same thing. Same same concept.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
53:32
Yeah. If you just keep going, you know, it’ll become normal for you to not eat candy, normal for you to eat healthy food. It’ll be what you crave.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
53:42
Lots of protein, lots of, bone broth ai of potatoes. Anything that we’re doing, whether it’s rice or bone broth, we’re not doing a lot of it. But when we do it, we’re soaking it in in bone broth, keeping it really clean protein style, kinda going low on fats, kinda get let my liver kinda reset from just years of meh eating foods, fatty foods, and shitty greasies.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
54:03
You know what I mean? So just been kinda taking it slow, man. I’m I’m enjoying it, though. The cool thing is he he did Bilal Muhammad’s weight cut. He’s worked with DC. This guy is I found him from that world. So he really gets it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
54:15
And That’s a complicated science.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
54:17
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
54:18
You get those ai, like Bilal’s way over 170. I don’t know what he weighs, but I gotta guess he’s close to £200. Yeah. And he cuts down to 170 Yeah. Perfectly.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
54:26
Yeah. Ian does it every time. Sai it’s pretty effortless, man. Ian says that, out of everybody that Bilal is just insanely disciplined. Do you know what I mean? Like, when he goes into camp, he’s ai a different dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
54:38
Well, that dude does, he’s done ram in Ramadan, and, you know, you can’t eat or drink anything during the daylight hours of Ramadan. Yeah. So he would have to get up in the morning while ai dark out, have a morning breakfast, go to training, not eat anything.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
54:53
Ai Do it to it, no problem.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
54:55
And no water in your training. Oh. And then at the end of the day, then you get to eat.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
54:59
No. He’s he’s a machine. That dude is complete. Shah
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:03
Leon Edwards fight was crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:04
I get to see him tomorrow.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:05
He’s a great guy, man.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:06
Yeah. He’s a
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:06
great guy. He really is. And, you know, the fact that he’s the that devout a Muslim that he, you know, prays 5 times a day, like, he doesn’t fuck around. Like, he’s really by the book. He doesn’t even swear.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:16
No. He says fudge.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:17
Yeah. What’s the fudge?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:18
Jelly. Jelly. Jelly. What the fudge are you doing? Yeah. When are you fudging when are you coming to fudge in Chicago?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:23
It’s ridiculous. He’s like this assassin, and he you know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:27
I’m gonna get to see the 2 champs tomorrow or you I’ll get to see him, and I’ll get to see the Venezuelan vixen. They’re both coming. So him and Juliana are coming out to the show. Chicago? Yeah. I’m super excited, man. Nice. Nice. Release ai, Chicago, United Center, first time with the United Center. Nice.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:43
Big big deal for me.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:43
Chicago is always a great fucking town.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:46
It’s such what’s the comedy club down there?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:48
Well, they have a a few. They have, what do they have? Zanies in Chicago. They have another one in Rosemont.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
55:54
The Dorn Brothers. The Dorn Brothers don’t have nothing to do with that one though, do they? I don’t know.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
55:59
I don’t know.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
56:00
They never know. That
Speaker: Joe Rogan
56:01
doesn’t make sense if they don’t.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
56:03
Did you hear what they did to the Nashville Ai?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
56:05
Mm-mm.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
56:05
So, you know, Brian and them own that building and the through the back bar, the so, you know, that Zany’s door is here, the front door, not the door. We go through the front door. Whatever that place was right here, he’s turned that into a place called The Lab now, and it’s ai a 50 person smaller.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
56:22
It would be like the little boy. Oh. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. Like the little boy, so he calls it the lab at Zany’s now.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
56:29
Oh, that’s nice. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
56:30
It’s super. It’s really, really cool.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
56:31
They used to have a really good room at the improv in Hollywood they called the lab, and that’s where Ari started, This Is Not Happening, which became that Comedy Central shah. You know, the tyler shah, that all started in that lab. That was Ari’s little baby that he created in the the old way the comp the, improv rather used to be set up was amazing.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
56:51
You have the big ram, and then you have this tucked away small room in the back with a very small bar. But then they expanded it and make made the bar bigger and made the stage by the door. They fucked the whole thing up. The whole thing’s fucked now.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
57:04
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
57:05
It used to be the stage was in the back. There wasn’t a lot of noise in the room, and then they turned it into a bar and fucked it up. But at that time, that was what it was called. It was called The Lab.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
57:15
Yeah. No. This place, they call it The Lab. It’s beautiful. Speaking of that show, god, I’d love to see that show back. That show was sai good.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
57:23
Yeah. You know what happened with that?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
57:25
Oh, sure.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
57:25
You know how it all went down? Please. Ari, got an offer from Netflix to do a special. You know, he he actually filmed his speak, and, Comedy Central wanted it because he was on Comedy Vatsal. But Netflix was better for him, And they were pissed that he was gonna do the special on Netflix, so they fired him. Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
57:45
And he’s, like, speak to his guns, and then Roy Wood took over, and he did it for a while. Yeah. And that was the end of it. But that’s ai. It was because Ai wouldn’t listen to that. They they were trying to force him into doing a special on Comedy Central.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
57:58
Wow.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
57:59
Yeah. And he’s ai, no. Like, I don’t have a contract that I have to do it on Comedy Central. This is crazy. Like, years before ai
Speaker: Jelly Roll
58:05
the show. They did use the show. They fired him. Fucking pissed. They fired him. And not to say and not to say Roy Woods didn’t do great with the shah, but
Speaker: Joe Rogan
58:15
Roy Woods is great. I mean, Ari was happy that Roy Woods was took over because, first of all, Roy’s hilarious.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
58:20
He’s a
Speaker: Joe Rogan
58:20
great comic. But, also, that meant all the people that were working on the show got to work. Yeah. Ari was gonna take out a loan and he was gonna pay all the people that all the camera people, all the crew, he’s gonna pay everybody their salary.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
58:34
Just because he felt bad.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
58:35
He felt bad. And he was ai, this is not I this is not what I want. This is not my fault, but they’re forcing me into it. And by principle, I have I can’t get just give in and say, okay. I’m gonna do this at Comedy Central.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
58:45
But just for just for just us having fun today purposes, imagine if that show came back right now with Ari.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
58:52
It could. It could come back.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
58:53
And the explosion that’s happening right now.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
58:55
Well, Ari should do the show on Netflix.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
58:57
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
58:57
It’s his show. I would He called it now he calls it Ari Shafir’s renamed storyteller show. Yeah. I think that’s what he calls it. Yeah. He’ll sai he still does it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
59:07
Yeah. But he should. It’s on Netflix now?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
59:09
No. No. No. I said he should do
Speaker: Jelly Roll
59:11
it on Netflix,
Speaker: Joe Rogan
59:11
but he’ll still do he’ll still do live ones every now and then does live storyteller shows.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
59:16
No. He should do it, man. It’s I think about guys like Brian. I would cry laughing to hear whatever his story was. I think about the Joey Diaz, the mother Mary story. If you don’t go into that, you know, like, there are stories on there that
Speaker: Joe Rogan
59:28
Yeah. Everybody’s got good stories too. People have stories of some fucking nutty thing that happened on the road or what have you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
59:35
No. It’s crazy. I’d love to start seeing people in my genre try stuff like that more. If they ever did it, just try to, like I’d love to hear, you know, Jason Aldean tell a story. You know what I mean? If he really if he got with somebody backstage, like one of the homies. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
59:50
Like, if Rosebud was back there with him, it was like, alright. Tyler me your breath story, and I’ll punch it up. You know what I mean? I think Jason Aldean would at least kill a 6 minute story. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
59:59
Everybody’s got at least one good story. Mhmm. One that you could concoct. Yeah. 1 together the right way. Yeah. Yeah. Ai think that’s probably the really is probably the oldest form of human entertainment.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:00:10
Yeah. It’s funny how I love when I love when anything you talk about has a theme, and this one has been storytelling. And that’s, it’s it’s all I ever wanted to do. Before I was writing songs, because I knew that music could be written that way, I would just write these ai of stories for my mother.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:00:29
You know what I mean? I would just try to you know you know the story. We’ve talked about a lot, but that was to a way to connect with her even before music. And then when I found out music was her shit, I was like, oh, this is the double connection. Like, oh, this is I’m doubling down on this.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:00:41
And I still to this day think I’m writing for my mama. Wow. Like, to this day, I’m still, like, when I’m really finishing a song, I’m thinking to myself, I wonder what my mama would think about this, you know, in this really weird way. Like, first thought. Like, I wonder sana like this. You know? Or does this represent? And then the second thought is, ai. Why does this song exist?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:01:01
That’s always my saloni following thought. It’s first of all, it’s like, will my mama dig it? And then the second is you know what I mean? It’s like and the second is like, why does this exist, though? Know what I mean? What could it do? What purpose could it actually serve? Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:01:14
And if it’s, it it could be anything as much as it’s just, you know, it just makes me happy or it could make people happy or it could make people move is enough of a reason.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:01:23
Out of these 100 plus songs that you’ve written recently, how many of them you think you’ll ever record?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:01:29
I recorded probably 30 something of them. Wow. I’m gonna put out probably 28, and I think 4 or 5 will probably end up circulating next year through other artists that’ll just cut some of the songs.
Speaker: 3
01:01:42
It just
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:01:43
because sometimes I’ll write a song, Joe, but I’m just not the vessel. Right. And I know it when I’m writing it. You know what I mean? Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:01:49
Do you hear it in a different voice?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:01:51
Ai, sometimes ai, but sometimes you just know that it’s ai, I couldn’t sing this with a certain amount of conviction. You know, like, for me personally, you know, it’s not that I couldn’t, you know, it’s I don’t know Sai don’t know if this is a good comparison, but it’d be ai, I could write a song about hating my wife, but I could never sing it because I don’t really hate my wife.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:14
Right. I could never sing it with conviction. Now as an as a songwriter, do I have the skill set to write a song about hating my wife? For sure. But would I ever sing 1 and and and represent myself that way? And it’s just not just Ai couldn’t sing it with conviction.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:27
But there might be a guy
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:02:27
in Nashville who just got his heart broke. Well, you know, Coulter Walls, Kate McCannon.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:32
Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:02:33
That’s the mother of all Ai hate my wife songs.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:36
Arya, yeah. Insane.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:02:37
That’s a crazy song. When the fact the fact that dude was 21 when he sang that, you’re like, what?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:43
It sounds like he’s 58.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:02:45
I believe in reincarnation.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:46
I’m telling you, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:02:47
There’s no other way. That doesn’t make sense.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:50
And if his story couldn’t get any cooler, it’s that he just doesn’t give a fuck.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:02:54
Don’t give a fuck. Won’t do podcasts.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:02:55
For sure. I tried so hard. It’s crazy. It’s crazy, dude. He told Post Malone. Post Malone hit him up, and Post was like, hey, man. I’d love to work. And pretty much he was like, yeah. If you ever wanna come to the ranch, we’ll we can maybe write a song or something. It was ai like, Post is like, if you wanna fly to the middle of Canada, we can write a song.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:12
But if you think I’m getting off this ranch to write with you, fuck no. Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:03:15
He really works on a ranch.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:17
Yeah. That’s all. That’s how Cody Johnson is too, though. Cody Johnson flies out on the he’s a it’s I joke with him all the time. I’m like, you’re a cowboy that plays a country music singer on the weekends. You ai because, you know, I mean, he plays music for real, but it’s he literally goes home and ranches Monday through Thursday.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:33
You’ll FaceTime this dude, and he’ll be out just in his ranch somewhere tagging cattle.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:03:37
That’s amazing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:38
You know what I mean? And then Friday night, he’ll fly and go sell out, you know, through 2 nights at the Staples Center for us.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:03:43
Ai have not experienced any of that, but I swear to God, it’s so it resonates with you when you watch it on Yellowstone. Yeah. Right? You’re Like, I wanna live like that.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:53
So bad. I
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:03:53
wanna hang out with the horses.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:55
It seems like a good time.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:03:56
It seems like everybody’s all peaceful and shit.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:03:58
We’ll stay and watch the rodeo late at night because PBR plays on, you know, TV or whatever. And, dude, I watch that stuff. I don’t know much about it, but I Ai just can’t quit watching. I think it’s the wildest shit ever. Yeah. I watch
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04:08
it for burst, but then my knowledge of orthopedic surgeries that these people are gonna be receiving and injuries and concussions. They’re just ai are you like, I gotta stop watching this?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:04:18
Yeah. I love watching stuff that doesn’t seem real, though. Right? Have you seen the the j is it JB Mooney? Is that how you say his name, or is it Mooney? It’s Mooney. Right? I
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04:26
think it’s Mooney.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:04:27
Yeah. Is it
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04:27
Mooney or Mooney? You got me thinking now.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:04:29
Yeah. Me too. But he does
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04:30
Dude, he owns the the cow that retired him.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:04:33
It’s crazy. How wow. How cool is that?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04:35
Yeah. Pretty cool.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:04:36
Yeah. But we’re talking about a dude that, you know, with info no helmet, cigarette lit in his mouth. Animal. Like, oh, just when you look sai Animal.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:04:44
Those dudes riding in Bulls with no helmet on is the craziest fucking American thing that anyone’s ever done. That is so dumb and so amazing at the same time. Like, what the fuck are
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:04:55
you doing? It is so American, dude. And especially when you had the cigarette, you’re just ai this it almost looked like it was out of a movie. Like, somebody overcooked it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:05:03
And at the end, those guys are always broken. Just everything’s broken. We had a dude on Fear Factor that was a bull rider, and one of his arms, his shoulder had, like, just giant scars all over the place. City had, like, 5 or 6 shoulder reconstructions. Yeah. It pops out sometimes. He has to pop it back in.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:05:19
That is She’s sick. It’s crazy. From riding a
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:05:24
a giant 2,000 pound animal that doesn’t want you ai. Horse.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:05:28
Yeah. Jeez. And when it gets you off of it and wants to hurt you, it has to work. It’s it’s pissed off.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:05:34
Yeah, man. Fuck all that noise. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:05:36
I can’t quit watching them. No. I don’t know why. I’m just so a trap. I’ve always been a trap. I loved I loved songs about rodeos, though, is what did it. We talked about it before too. There was nineties music, had all these, like, old school, really cool rodeo records. Mhmm.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:05:48
And I feel like somewhere it’s kinda like everything goes in themes, and then country music went through, like, you know, the hunting and fishing era. But in the seventies, it was more of the storytelling era, like the poncho and lefty style stuff. You know what I mean? But to me, the nineties cowboy music was, like, still some of the best country music ever made.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:06:07
Bro, you know who’s got the best rodeo song for my money? Zac Brown. Mhmm. Open the gate.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:06:11
Oh, it’s the it’s one of the best rodeo songs ever written. Oh my god. 100%.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:06:16
Oh my god. Yeah. Meanwhile, I’m listening to him going, get off that bull.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:06:19
Don’t go ride that bull. Don’t do it. Your dad’s dead.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:06:24
Don’t don’t ride the same goddamn bull that killed your dad. Jesus Christ.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:06:28
You wanna hear a cool rodeo story? Reba McEntire got discovered at 1.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:06:32
At a rodeo?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:06:33
You wanna talk about a real cowgirl? Reba McEntire was, like, Oklahoma or somewhere, and she would sing the national anthem at all the local rodeos because they knew she was a local singer, but she was a real cowboy. So one night, she was she was singing. Oh, this is, you know, back in the day when it was old school like a record exec discovered you. Wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:06:50
You know what I mean? And, like, flew you to Nashville and signed you to a record deal. It’s a true story, though. Reba was just, ai, did it because she loved it. Like like, if you were singing in church, she just every weekend, they’d have the rodeo in town, and she’d go sing the national for.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:07:01
Wow. How many people are like that out there? When you think about yourself becoming, like, artist of the year at 39, how many people are like that out there that are just super talented? They just never get that crack. It’s it’s man. There’s a thing that’s inside some people. There’s a thing that’s inside some people, and, it’s different in everybody.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:07:20
Like, you’re different is different than Coulter Wall’s different. It’s different than Reeb is different. Different than Johnny Cash is different. Everybody’s got that thing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:07:26
Everybody’s got a thing.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:07:27
But there’s so many people out there that we never get to see that thing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:07:30
Yeah. I wonder how much of it is the ones that just jump ship early too, though.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:07:35
They quit. Yeah. A lot of people quit. It’s hard.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:07:37
I think about I think about you you’re doing something for 10 years to no avail Right. Is really, really hard, man. You’ve all this is what I tell people. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, Joe. And everything I regret, I did out of desperation. But I don’t regret one thing I did as a delusional dreamer.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:07:53
You know what I mean? Because there was moments, we were we were I did this I went to the, juvenile yesterday in Columbus, Ohio. I went to go play cards with the kids in their units before my show. I try to do stuff like that all the tyler. And we were all talking about, you know, time, energy, stuff into this and songs. And Ai tyler about writing a 170 songs last year.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:08:18
And I was like, do y’all know that there was so many moments in my life where I in hindsight, I’m glad nobody sat me down really that I had to have looked fucking crazy. You know? That kid asked me, he said, when did you feel like you made it? I was like, I think that’s why God kept blessing me is that me and DJ ai is my DJ ram Columbus, Ohio. He was there with me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:08:37
We did the 1 o’clock slot at Rock on the Range 12 years ago. Right? The festival, you know, Rock on the Range, Jamie. This is a big deal up where Jamie’s from. We played the 5th stage of 5 stages.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:08:50
So we played the smallest states there 30 minutes after they opened the gates. Joe, we started drinking at 10 o’clock that morning because we were rock stars in our minds. We had made it. There was we were that delusional. We were backstage full blown shooting shots and celebrating. There was 40 people there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:07
There was thousands of people just walking right past our stage to the stage they were going to. We didn’t care. We had made it. You know what I mean? Like, we’d made we you’re telling me we got $1500 to do this? This is insane. We have arrived.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:20
And I’d go home, my old beat up band in my whole neighborhood probably had to look at me like I was fucking nuts. You know what I’m saying? But nobody sai that to me. I look like the crazy person kinda. Right?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:29
At this point, I’m in my early thirties, mid thirties even, and they’re like, alright, big guy. But you’re
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:09:34
a rock on the range.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:35
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:09:36
You actually are performing there. You’re
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:37
how I ai.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:09:38
You’re correct. Yeah. I think you should be celebrating. Yeah. You’re supposed to be.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:42
Yeah. And when I told that kid that it was cool to see his face kinda light up, he was like, man, that’s perspective. You know what I mean? I was like, dude, I was Ai would celebrate whenever I would get a a clap in here when I was in juvenile, when we would have freestyle Fridays in juvenile.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:09:57
And if I had if I spit one line that got a oh, man, I went to my cell, did push ups, and started looking in the mirror different. You know what I’m saying? I was like, it’s fucking fixing to happen. You know what
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:10:08
I’m saying? Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:10:08
But, you know, that kind of delusion will just celebrate every every moment I had. I made a moment.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:10:14
The the What is this? This is the day. Ai at you up there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:10:18
Mhmm. Yeah. This is us. This is true story.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:10:24
Definitely. Rock on ai range.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:10:25
This is rock on the range, dude. This is 2017, probably. Wow. Yeah. This this was our 2nd time. I think we’ve made it to the 2nd stage by then. Yeah. This is 16. Yep. This is the 2nd time.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:10:38
Doing shows when it’s bright out. Yeah. It’s
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:10:42
I’m just getting used to doing shows when it’s dark. I know. Shows when it’s bright out are kinda crazy. They’re it’s a dude, it is unforgiving. Yeah. Especially when you’re, you know, you’re trying to you’re you’re working. You’re trying to build something. You know? And you’re looking out.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:10:56
There’s a lot of people that are coming to give a chance Yeah. But they don’t know anything about you.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:11:01
Well, the thing is if you could figure it out. Right? Because people figure out everything. They figure out how to write books. They figure out how to play baseball. People figure it out, but not everybody figures it out. That’s why it’s so exciting when you do. That’s why it’s so exciting when you make it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:11:16
Because you know it’s not just that a bunch of lucky things had to happen to you, because they all do with all of us. There’s a lot of good circumstances to happen your way just to keep you alive. Right? You have to get lucky. But then you also have to have that thing.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:11:30
Like, what is that? The thing inside you that you gotta get out and you could figure out a way to get the best version of it and display it for people or you quit. A lot of people quit.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:11:41
Man, I tyler you, there’s a line in the song, Joe, that, it’s an old song. It’s called just breathe. And she goes, the end of the song, she ends the song by going 2 AM, and I’m still awake writing this song. Because if I get it all out on paper, it’s no longer inside of meh, threatening the life it belongs to.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:11:58
I almost get emotional when I tell people that because to me, that is the greatest line ever written as to how I feel. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, this idea that I have to get this out of me. It’s ai, I don’t I I’m when I write, it’s not like I’m I have to.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:12:19
It’s like a a thing in me that’s burning in me. It’s like Sai have to get this out of me. Yeah. Brother, I wake up out. I wrote I wrote the somebody saved me on a sheet of paper out of a dead sleep. Really? Notebook ai of the bed. Meh.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:12:31
Just like I wrote notes here with you and you’d say something that would inspire me. One of these is a song title right here right now. You said it earlier. What I’m saying? Off tyler you off tell you off camera.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:12:39
Okay.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:12:39
Just in case you got a negotiated publishing thing. But but, Bert, I wrote a song on the album. It didn’t make the album, but Bert, one night sai something. He was like, yeah, man. This is where dreams go to die. And he was talking about a bar he used to go to. Everybody would talk about what they would do but never did. So he quit talking about what he’s gonna do.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:12:56
But what he don’t know is I just quietly grabbed my phone and wrote ram die here. You know what I’m saying? I went and wrote the song. It sucked. I’m gonna send it to him, but I tried.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:13:05
You know what I’m saying? You never know. Maybe revisit it
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:13:07
in a
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:13:07
year or 2.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:13:08
Yeah. But I I I I connect with that in a way that’s writing is, it’s an outlet for me. It always was. It was always a way to express and to tell stories around me.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:13:19
It’s also a connection to some strange realm where ideas come from. Oh. Ai that come to you, they just come to you out of nowhere. They just feel like gifts. They really do. Like, when you sai in front of the computer and an idea just comes to you and you start writing it down or when you wake up in the middle of the ai, take a leak and you can’t get this idea out of
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:13:37
your head and you gotta
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:13:37
grab a notebook. Man, those things are gifts. They’re gifts from the universe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:13:42
You’ve had that happen too when you find yourself at the kitchen table at 3 AM?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:13:46
The worst one is I try to convince myself that I’ll remember it. Ai, and you go back to
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:13:50
sleep and you’ll blow it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:13:51
Because I’m lazy. I’m like, you’re gonna remember. Don’t worry about it. You’ll definitely remember that. You ai remember it. Yeah. I meh, like, one of them ever. That’s right. But I write them down now.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:14:02
I do too. I got a small legal pad beside my bed like the little one, and I got one. This is a crazy place, but I have one on top of my commode.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:14:10
That’s a good place
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:14:11
for me. Ai I’m going in there to pee or something and on the way there just Yeah. Ai too, I have to grab my phone and do melodies in the middle of the night because I I have dreamed of melodies before. Like, you
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:14:21
hear it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:14:22
Saloni cold melodies in my dreams. Like, there’s somebody saved me meh was in my dream. The first words the problem was me and D Ram joke about it. It took us 30 minutes to write the song that would’ve took us 20 minutes to write because I was convinced somebody sai me was supposed to be the chorus.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:14:39
Oh, Interesting.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:14:42
I know I’m I know I’m weird when I talk about stuff like this, Joe, but this is how the universe works. I don’t think I was wrong because when Eminem ended up taking that song you know, Eminem redid that song? Oh. Yeah. You gotta hear it. It’s crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:14:54
Eminem redid the sana, and he took the verse from somebody saved me the first verse and made it the chorus. Woah. So his version of it is he’s rapping, and then my first verse is the chorus. And then he raps again, and my first verse is the chorus again. Wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:15:09
So can I maybe I was kinda right?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:15:11
Wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:15:11
And the groom, I kept going back to, like, you should you should fire him this way. Did you ever
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:15:15
tell him that before you did that?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:15:17
Even told him the story. Wow. It gets Joe. I’m fucking flipping. It gets even deeper, dog. John Maneely, my manager, calls me and goes he sai, Paul Rosenberg just called me. That’s Meh manager. He says, I think M sana M wants to do something to save me. I didn’t ask John Maneely right then, Joe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:15:31
I said, man, I hope he takes the first verse and samples it. That’s all I said. And John said, whatever. I don’t know what he wants to do with it. We just send it over because, you know, Eminem is the greatest ever.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:15:40
You don’t send them instructions or notes or ideas. You know what I’m saying? You’re just like, no. And, and what we didn’t talk about that until we met, and he was just as whipped out too because he the funny part about him was he was struggling with whether or not he was gonna keep the original course and do somebody save me at the end or do somebody save me as the course and put the original course at the end.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:16:00
And he ended up doing somebody save me in the original course at the end. So he fought the battle the opposite of the way I fought it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:16:05
Oh. It’s
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:16:06
crazy. Right? How art works that way?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:16:08
It is crazy. It’s crazy where those things come ram. The muse, you know, and you gotta respect the muse, you know, and, like, I think when you’re writing a lot like you are, like, that muse is, like, ready to go. Like, you’re tuned in to whatever that is that gives you those ideas for songs. You’re just, like, searching for you’re in the mode of searching for it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:16:29
Yeah. No. I’m always it’s like the yeah. You’re right. I’m in that space. I’m in my stride. I’m in my quest of I’m looking forward at every angle right now. I’m like, I wrote a song. I wrote so many it’s tyler ai storytelling again. Sorry. I keep going here. It’s ai my fucking storytelling podcast.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:16:45
I I probably have 4 songs on this podcast that I wrote just very old school storytelling, ai, the music I grew up loving, like, how Willie Nelson would tell these stories Yeah. These characters. And, it has been so talking about muses. I don’t I I wasn’t sure if I was gonna tell the story, but I I will.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:17:07
I, as a part of my journey, my mental health and with things I struggle with, I will pop into when I’m home in a or AA meetings. Even though I still drink and smoke pot, I don’t I don’t claim to be a part of the program because I have so much respect for those who are sober, like, can really live the clean sober life by the program.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:17:26
But it’s helped me so much not to go back to some of my demons. It’s taught me about gratitude list. It’s just helped me a lot. And I go to, you know, a few a year. Never say nothing. Just sit in the back quietly. I’m just sitting there trying to learn. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:17:38
Never never went in there thinking like an artist. Just kinda just just kinda going there thinking like an addict. So I just wanna be an addict in here. That’s why I don’t talk. And I watched a man having a breakdown in there. And this happens. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:17:52
People are coming here and this you know, I mean, it’s an AA meeting. Right? And he’s shaking. And at the end, they go, does anybody wanna get a 24 hour chip or a desire to change? Ai the guy said, I drank this morning, but I do have a desire. And he was already shaking where he hadn’t drank in 5, 6 hours.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:18:06
And, the guy goes, old head walks over, Most gangster shit I ever seen. Puts his arm around him and says, it’s alright, baby. None of us came in here on a winning streak. Dude, I was like, I had no intention of going to this meeting. The only reason I even went, believe it or not, wasn’t because I was having a craving even.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:18:25
I had an hour to kill on the way to a writing session. Mhmm. And I was like, well, fuck. If I I could either spend this hour scrolling on fucking TikTok and thinking about how fucking Ukraine’s gonna kill us, or you know what I mean? Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:18:39
And I went into the meeting, and I left, and I walked in the writer’s room, and they was like, you know, it’s fun when we write together because everybody’s got an idea. I said, boys, I don’t know if this is the idea, but I wanna tell you what just happened to me. I just seen one of the most beautiful acts of humanity I’ve ever seen. Just the because this guy’s shaking. He’s crying. Mhmm. And this dude’s walk.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:19:01
I’m getting emotional because I’m watching it. The whole room’s getting emotional. This dude just super cool. Just kinda walks over to look like a almost like I’ve seen this before. He was he was the only one that the all of us were sad.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:19:12
This dude was happy. He walked over to smile like he’d seen it. He was like, oh, don’t worry, baby. Nobody comes in here on a winning streak. And, so I did some I went back to the meeting a week later while we we started the song. The guy ended up being, like, 25, 30 years clean.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:19:25
They came in to help the other guy. Wow. So we wrote the song. It’s called winning streak. It’s fucking I’ve sung it on Saturday Night Live.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:19:31
Wow. It
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:19:32
was cool. It’s not even out yet. It’ll be out on the album today. But Imagine
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:19:35
if you didn’t walk into that place.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:19:36
Imagine if you didn’t walk into that place. Right? Yeah. Just old church basement. Just How
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:19:40
much time have you lost on your phone where you could have been walking into a place, talking to people?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:19:45
And getting a winning streak. Yeah. You know what I mean? It’s like just, you know,
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:19:49
Especially as an artist that deals in, you know, to say it again, stories. Yeah. And just, you know, you you find things out about people when you see them interact with each other, and sometimes it just light us just lights a spark.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:20:01
Yeah. It’s just, man, you, meh. Anytime I see anything that makes me feel something, I feel the need to try to write it. Whether it makes me happy or sad or you know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:20:14
If you really think about, like, old school rock and roll, ai, think of, like, classic rock, there’s great songs, but then there’s these story songs, you know, like Shooting Star, that Bad Company song. You know, Johnny was a school boy when he heard his first Beatles song. That’s one of those songs that, like, everybody listens to the words, you know.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:20:35
You you just get caught up in the story. Yes. There’s a difference between that and, you know, just fun fun songs. Just fun songs, Back in Black, you know, fun. It’s not like a story. They’re like an emotional story that gets you.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:20:51
There’s some of those songs, you know, American Pie.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:20:55
American Pie.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:20:56
Oh my god. Oh my god.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:20:59
I listen to it once a week in the cold plunge because the original version’s, like, 7 minutes. Yeah. So if I start it while I’m getting into my skibbies, song’s over, I get out of the cold plunge. Yeah. But it’s, that song,
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:21:13
talk dude. How about James Taylor? I’ve seen fire and I’ve seen rain.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:17
The greatest song ever written, Joe. The greatest song ever written.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:21:22
Listen to that song when you’re sad.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:24
Doug, you will I’ll cry if I’m happy, bubba.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:21:26
Bro, that song will get you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:27
Every time. That song
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:21:29
will get you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:29
And that’s a story too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:21:31
And that motherfucker had a voice.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:32
Man, he had a voice.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:21:33
What a special voice.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:35
And it was so effortless, Joe. Yeah. He, when he opened his mouth, it was almost like he was just talking to you like me and you, but he didn’t sing like an angel. And, you know, he was self taught guitar, so he plays, like, shapes and chords that don’t really technically exist. Really? Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:21:51
He literally because he self taught himself, they’d be like, well, that’s kind of a that looks like a g, but you’re doing this and not that. It’s like it was crazy, dude. He’s authentic. My father, who I named Buddy’s after in my bar was, we were driving down to Gulf Shores, Alabama one ai, And, I was a kid, and we started listening to Ai and Rain.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:22:16
And he starts my family would tell these stories about music. I don’t know what it was, but before they would play a song, it was like they would take and I was like this to this day. I would take great pride in being like, oh, I’m fixing to show you something. Sai I’d give you the setup. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:22:33
So my dad goes, I’m not gonna set this song up. I’m gonna tell you about it afterwards. We’re gonna listen to it again.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:22:39
There he goes. Give me it from the beginning, Jamie. This motherfucker.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:22:47
So look at them all. It’s long hair.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:22:51
That was before you went bald. When you went bald, you said fuck it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:22:54
Yeah. That was, hey, mister jukebox, James. Sue.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:23:04
Bro, that guy could not have a flyswatter big enough to swat those panties that were flying in.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:23:10
What? He could not. Just whack at every corner, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:23:15
Oh my god. And listen. Voice like an angel. How sensitive? In hot take,
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:23:20
he was married to a woman that is arguably a better songwriter than him.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:23:24
Carly Simon. Carly Simon was so beautiful. God, when she was young, she was, like, one of the most beautiful women that’s ever lived.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:23:35
Ai love that none of that mattered to him, though. Watch this. Sai my dad tells me this story, Joe. And we are riding down I-sixty 5. I’ve only seen my father cry 3 times.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:23:50
Can you hear meh?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:23:51
Yeah. And we are crying. We are going down I ai, and we are squalling. I mean, like, 2 children, Joe.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:24:08
Just authentic. You know what I mean? There’s no bullshit in this song.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:24:13
The 3rd verse when he goes, yeah. You gotta let this rip in. Oh, it’s a court memory I’ll have forever, though. Ai watch this. To me, this is some of the best the whole song, but right here. So simple, for real. Oh, so simple, for real.
Speaker: 3
01:24:57
There’s hours of time on the telephone line to talk about things to
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:25:03
come. Speak dreams and ai machines in pieces on the ground.
Speaker: 3
01:25:10
Well, now I’ve seen fire and I’ve seen vain. I’ve seen sunny days
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:25:20
Now watch him take it up right here.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:25:49
Ai. Sai good. Did you see What a team, him and Carly Ai. Yeah. About that. Mhmm. What was, Bro, you’re so vain?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:26:13
Oh my goodness.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:26:14
Pull that shit up.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:26:15
Saying you’re Give
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:26:15
me a you’re so vain. And seeing her sing it with that pace, oh my god.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:26:21
God.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:26:22
Oh my god. And was it Carol’s song?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:26:25
Was it, he toured with Carol King forever. Right? Do they ever have a relationship? Hopefully. Right? She’s talking about another great songwriter. God, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:26:35
Here we go. While she’s playing the piano, sana,
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:26:45
with her hair blowing. So eighties. In the wind. Yes. Ai pre chorus is crazy.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:27:06
Meh hold on. Hold on. Because of the song was about him, he’s right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:27:25
Yeah. Right? For sure. You know, Warren Beatty
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:27:28
was listening to that song going, I think this song is about me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:27:32
Yeah. I knew I was him. Sana that’s live back when they were ai you know, that was live live.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:27:40
That might be one of the first diss songs.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:27:42
Right? Right? That’s I think
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:27:44
I think that’s the first diss song. Hold on.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:27:45
Hold on. When was the song put out?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:27:47
So I was gonna say, is it officially about Warren Beatty? I thought rumors that it was about James Taylor too. Because Oh, really? I thought it’s unconfirmed who it’s written about.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:27:54
Tom Taylor talked about fame that way. Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:27:57
It would you know what, man? It wouldn’t shock you, right, if you found out that the guy was, like, the the sweetheart super nice guy was actually a fucking psycho.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:28:04
Dude, I’ve had tell meh James Tyler, I’ve had fans come up to me and they would be ai. And they go, I’m so sorry I’m crying. And every time I tell them the same thing, I ai, don’t worry. If I ever meet James Taylor, I’m gonna cry. For sure. I know it. So I’d I’m, like, 100%, I’m gonna cry.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:28:18
Ever since the singer released her accusatory track in 1972, the identity of you has remained one of the greatest mysteries in music history. But she did date Warren Beatty. Right?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:28:27
What you what you what it came out in 72? 72. Well, here’s the I’ll give you when does Sweet Home Alabama come out?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:28:33
Look at all the possibilities. Warren Beatty Michael Crichton. Dave Michael Crichton, Jack Nicholson, Vatsal Stevens. Damn Chris. James Taylor. Or John Travolta. Even rumored flings with Sean Connery. Marvin Gaye. Marvin Gaye.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:28:46
Oh, Paul.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:28:46
Big Jagger. Possibility of Mick Jagger.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:28:49
I bet Marvin Gaye did something different with that. That lady has got around. She got around
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:28:54
with all the talented motherfuckers. Shah got around.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:28:58
I bet Marvin Gaye was a monster. Oh my god. I’m just fucking when did Sweet Home Alabama come out? So you know Sweet Home Alabama was a clapback ram. Yeah. So it was it was in the it was in the disc world too. So I think right around that early 70 era too. Yeah. 74.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:29:12
So it was after that. Your Southern Maine come out before?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:29:16
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:29:16
But when did Southern Maine come out? Ai probably the same time. Right? Ai was just a year before.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:29:22
So that was 1970? Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:29:24
Oh, no. It was a few years before.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:29:27
So they wrote it about Southern Meh? Is that what they wrote it about?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:29:30
Yeah. Yeah. They were the idea was that Neil Young was speaking a lot about what was happening down there in the south at the ai. And, Ronnie’s position was just simply like, hey, man. We sai the fuck out of your business. Stay out of ours. Yeah. You know, a southern man don’t need them around anyhow.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:29:45
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:29:45
You know, it’s how had ai how he came back. What a banger of a song. What a banger. What a diss. Banger. You’re talking
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:29:51
That that is a gross speak home. Give me some of that.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:29:56
Yeah. Please. To tell him.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:29:57
That’s a great song. I mean, it’s I mean, all respect to Neil Young. That’s better than anything he’s ever done in
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:30:01
his life. Neil Young apologized later. It was really cool. He owned it. He he he publicly said Ronnie was right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:30:06
Well, you know, some this is the lyrics. Yeah. Name Neil Young is name checked
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:30:12
and dissed. Yeah. I don’t think
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:30:13
they thought about it that way back then. It reached number 8, the Billboard Hotline. Give me some Sweet Home Alabama.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:30:18
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:30:18
There that’s a song that you hear in the bar arya the first couple of chords play and you go, oh,
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:30:22
yeah. You just immediately stand up. You’re like, oh, we’re ram the party.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:30:25
Oh, babe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:30:26
And I’m I hate to be this guy, but I immediately look around. I’m like, everybody in here who doesn’t know this song, I don’t know that we can be friends. You can’t at least sing the chorus or if you don’t go.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:30:40
This might be one of the most recognizable songs ever. What?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:30:45
Is this gonna be a live video too?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:30:48
We just like to go for the live one, especially this one. Yeah. Still calm. I love it. You’re welcome. Once again, look at these bad motherfuckers.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:31:03
Oh, they were so funny. You wanna talk about people that couldn’t get the pussy away from them.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:31:07
And they’re fucking bored.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:31:08
No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s 77. So that’s Ronnie. Oh, no. That’s Johnny. Once again, how great Gary Rossington was. He he to me, he’s the greatest guitarist that ever lived. It’s up there with Hendrickson. Now he’s on Mount Rushmore guitarist Ai solo. Yeah. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:04
Oh, you get
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:32:05
the word.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:05
Think about think, give me 3 steps.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:32:08
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:11
You’re like, you can there has not been that since if you ask me. You know what I mean? Like, him, Clapton, Hendrix, like, they had those kind of guitars, but this was different because it was riffs. Right. It wasn’t like a solo. They were singing over these riffs. Right. And the riffs were bigger than the melody sometimes. They captured you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:30
If you tell somebody right now, like, have you ever heard the song Sweet Home Alabama? And they go, how’s it go? You wouldn’t go sweet. You’d go here. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:39
It’s crazy. That’s how good Gary was, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:32:41
That saloni in Freebird is insane.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:44
Oh, it is it’s the best solo ever.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:32:47
Ever. It’s hard to say because of Hendrix and Steve Ray Vaughan and a bunch of other people, Eddie Van Halen, but that solo was the same every time they did it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:32:56
Oh, the the story about Sweet Home Alabama. They’re sitting at a sound check, and it’s just Ronnie and Gary. And Gary’s holding electric, and he goes, man, I got this. I just don’t know what to do with it. It’s. And Ronnie goes, well, hell, just keep playing it. Let me fuck with it. So they just looped that, and that’s how they wrote the song. Just them doing yeah, dude.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33:18
I’m so I’m such a I have, like Skinner to me is ai Jesus. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:33:23
I’m a Ai Skinner fan. Yeah. And you know what I love about Skinner too? They came out of Florida. Like, who would have saw that?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33:28
No, dude. Jackson
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:33:29
sai that?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33:30
Straight out of Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:33:31
What? Jacksonville’s not gonna make any amazing bands? Dude. How’s this band come out of Jacksonville? Every song is about running away from girls.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33:38
Ai gotta go, ladies. Yeah. I gotta be free.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:33:41
It’s all
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33:41
the time. 2 steps. I love you, but I gotta go. It’s crazy. You know what I’m saying? I gotta go. Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:33:46
I gotta go.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:33:47
No, dude. They were the best, man. When Gary when Gary’s family gave me that guitar after he passed away, it still is up there with, like, my top probably 10 possessions that I’ve ever been gifted. You know what I mean? Of I have it in my studio now, and I I hung it in a case with the note that his family wrote me with the picture that we took the night he played the guitar.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:34:05
And I put a lock on the case. Instead of just casing it forever, I put a lock on it so I can still play it. So when we do the album, there’s a couple of tracks that we played a Gary Rossington guitar on.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:34:17
Oh, wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:34:17
You know what I mean? Because it was a Gary Rossington played guitar. Wow. And his family the estate gave it to me right after he passed.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:34:23
Does it sound different?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:34:24
But it’s got well, it’s it’s, it’s an old Les Paul, and it’s older, so it’s got a different pickup on it. So it’s got some different tunes and textures to it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:34:31
What’s the difference between, like, the older pickups and the newer ones?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:34:33
I don’t know. I’m not as educated in it as most, like, real guitarists. I’m a I’m a campfire guitarist. But it’s you know, over the years, they always found different ways to make them. So they were as they were improving them, but the sounds and textures were getting different.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:34:46
So but I forgot exactly what he does because he takes a pickup from another guitar and puts it ai, I think, into most of his guitar. Because there’s a lot of real guitarists that are ai they’ll wanna play this guitar, but they’ll wanna put this from this guitar on this guitar.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:34:59
Because
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:34:59
that’s their shit.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:00
Yeah. Because they like the way well, I like the pickup on this or I like this and this or I like the way this, you know, whatever.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:35:05
Makes sense.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:05
And then they’ll have a ai of hodgepodge like that. But, do you know something else when Gary survived that, plane crash? Let’s think about him playing guitar. He he he he had a rod that went from right here, Joe, to his elbow. Oh my god. And still played the guitar that way.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:22
So if you ever watched Gary play the guitar, he always ai played it high like Charlie Crockett. But it was or or or down here like this because he couldn’t he couldn’t full blown meh full extension on the wrist. Yeah. So he was playing all those from 70 whatever the 70 what when was the plane crash? Jamie, you know? No. It’s not.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:40
I figured you might know off the top. But How
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:35:42
many people died in the crash?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:44
Ai know Ronnie did for sure. I think it was 2 or 3.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:35:47
Wasn’t Ronnie standing up? It was in 77.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:50
So So that video you just showed might have been one of Ronnie’s last performances.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:35:54
He was standing up when the plane crashed. Right? He went and sai down. He was drinking.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:35:58
Yeah. They were just partying. They were just littering skinner, dude. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:36:02
If he sat down and put his seat belt on, he might be still be here.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:36:04
It’s crazy, dude. It is it is crazy, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:36:08
Goddamn.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:36:09
Was it what you said it was 77?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:36:11
3 days after their 5th album was released. Yeah. Street survivors.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:36:16
Wow. Just totally different, man. I’ve I’ve gotten so far into there. We’ve we’ve been covering Skynyrd on the road for years years anyway. Just I that’s probably not a Skynyrd song I can’t play. You know? Right? If we were to go to a bar tonight, you could probably just randomly pick a Skynyrd song, and I’d go up there and be able to just kill.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:36:33
Just love Skinnyd too. Do you know what I mean? It’s just
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:36:36
They were awesome, man. We they they were gone too quick. You know? And I know they toured after. Ai died and but it was wasn’t the same.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:36:43
Yeah. You know the reason they still tour. And one thing I I don’t as a die hard fan, I don’t object to it a lot. Now that Gary’s gone, it’s a little rougher because he was the last living one. But Johnny Van Zant, which who how are him and Ronnie Key? And I always confuse it. They’re cousins. Right? Or are they brothers? Because remember the 3 Van Zant. Do I sana talk about a family, Joe?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:37:02
Johnny Ronnie Van Zant created Lynyrd Skynyrd, was the 1st lead singer. Johnny Van Zant took his pot when he died, and the other Van Zant brothers, the lead singer at 38 special.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:37:12
Crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:37:12
It’s the younger brother. Yeah. It’s the younger brother. So his younger brother took right over. And like I tell people is there’s the average Lynyrd Skynyrd fan that’s not like me and you, like, obsessed with him to a degree. They don’t know anybody other than him to be their singer because he’s been their singer 40 for 4 years longer than Ronnie was.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:37:32
That band was only been out for 4 years when Ronnie died. Right. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:37:38
Sai it’s like an ACDC type thing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:37:39
Exactly. You know what I mean? So it’s like and the fact that it’s a true Van Zandt, and Johnny’s still the lead man to this day. So when I go see him, I still feel like I’m watching Ronnie a little bit. Looks just like him. Still got the same long hair. He’s Johnny Van Zandt, dude. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:37:54
Ronnie was a fucking psycho, though.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:37:55
No. He was that’s the difference. Johnny’s ai a really, really calm, cool meh. A guy he’s also older now. You know, these dudes are all Ricky Medlock and them, he was with the original group too, pretty much. He’s still there. Them dudes are all in their seventies.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:08
Yeah. And then that’s too because when we were kids, we never thought that rock stars be touring in their seventies. They’re gonna
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:13
come out from my Jacksonville show. They came in songwriting last time. Yep.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:16
That’s amazing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:16
Johnny and Ricky always come out and sing, man. They’re fun.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:19
That’s awesome.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:19
Yeah, dude. Still, it never gets any
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:21
Dude, look at you. You’re living the life.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:22
It’s fucking weird, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:23
Ai the life.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:24
It’s the shit we grew up listening to. You know what I’m saying? It’s like, I don’t know, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:28
It’s weird when you meet people that you that were real famous when you’re a kid. That to me is always gonna be the weirdest one.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:34
It’s the one.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:34
Steven Ai.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:35
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:36
That meeting that dude, meeting people like that. It’s just like you just feel weirded out. Ai met Tarantino. I was
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:41
like, oh, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:38:43
This is weird. Yeah. Especially This is weird.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:38:45
Yeah. Especially people you watched back in your childhood. Yeah. Out of all the comedians I met, the only one I’ve probably ever been made an ass of myself to is Ron White because I literally have watched him since I was a teenager because he was such a voice for I don’t want this to come off disrespectful, but being from the south of my household, we thought Jeff Foxworthy was incredibly funny.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:39:08
We liked his books more than his comedy though because we felt like his comedy almost felt a little forced to us as southern people. It just didn’t sit right if, you know, in my household.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:39:17
In what way?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:39:18
In this way of, like, there’s
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:39:20
You might be a redneck.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:39:22
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:39:23
If your family tree does not fork.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:39:26
It was hilarious about it. We know all the books we religiously. But when we’re watching the blue collar special as a family, and I know this wasn’t the way to watch it in hindsight, We’re all waiting on Ron. You know what I mean? Because, like, he’s he’s the voice of our household, but I’m also in a household full of drunks, by the way.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:39:42
My father’s a raging alcoholic. My mother does drugs. All my brothers do drugs. But it was like, you know, we loved we’d love Jeff. We love we love Bill, Larry, the cable ai. But, man, when we just Ron was our you know, he just spoke to what our household was doing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:39:57
You know what I mean? So when I met him, it was kinda like, man, I gotta tell my fucking mama. Well, when he first started hanging
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:40:03
out the store about, like, I guess it was about 10 years ago, he never had, like, a club like that before or it was like a home base.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:40:11
Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:40:11
You know, he was always a successful touring comedian, so he’d bring guys to open up for him on the road. But it was basically the Ron White shah. And then he started hanging out with us at the store. And he was like, man, this is what I’ve been missing. Mhmm. You know, I’ve been missing, like, a real camaraderie, like, the base, the the home base where everybody goes and just hangs out. Makes all the difference in the world.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:40:33
It is. It no. Well, iron sharpens iron too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:40:36
Yeah. When you’re in Nashville too, I mean, think about how many different amazing artists there are that you go see live in Nashville just fucking around on a regular night.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:40:45
For sure. Yeah. Derks Bentley goes and plays ai, like, with his bluegrass band, ai, a 200 person bar every week.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:40:54
That’s amazing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:40:55
You know, ai, his little subversion of a bluegrass band. It’s sai it’s about our that’s how I feel about our songwriting community too. I’ve I’ve wrote in LA, and I’ve had big songs come out of LA. But Nashville has just managed. It’s the killers. You know what I mean? It’s the dudes that are just the the the dudes and girls down there that are in those rooms every day are snipers.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:41:13
They’ve been doing it forever. The same thing like you do in all those shows is the same thing ai them. Right? You just get real good at your fucking job.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:41:20
And you get to know how to pivot. You do you know what I mean? Like, that’s something else that comes with being on that stage a bunch. It’s ai the more you do it, the more circumstances you’ve been up sana, Nothing starts to scare you no more. Right. Like, even if I walk out to a crowd, like, if I’m opening for somebody still and I walk out and I’m like, ah, I’m gonna have to I’m gonna have to really work for this when I’m not panicked.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:41:39
Right. I’ve done it enough now. I’ll even watch some guys in my band get a little panic. We’ll be on the second song sana you’ll see them going like, why are they not just so excited we’re here?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:41:47
I’m, like, just relax.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:41:48
It’s okay. We’re gonna get there. You know what I’m saying? Let’s just have fun.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:41:52
The hardest spot is opening, on a comedy show. It’s brutal. I tell every comedian that opens for me, this is ai running with
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:41:59
ai on. Yeah. You Don’t tell me, like, the one of 3. Yeah. Not the feature slot, the number 1. Ai.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42:02
First guy on stage. That’s the hardest gig.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:42:04
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42:04
And it’s the gig for the guys that are the youngest Yeah. That are the learners. They’re learning it. They’re they’re they don’t really know how to do it yet. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:42:11
And you’re kind of responsible for getting the first laugh of the night. You
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42:13
are 100% responsible for it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:42:15
That’s a man, you gotta break the room.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42:17
Yeah. That’s why Sana Ram was, like, our best opener because Hans Kim has structure. All jokes have structure. So he puts you in this mode of laughing at ridiculous shah, and he puts you in this, like, it’s like a very structured set. So he gets people into, like, the hypnosis of comedy. Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42:34
You get locked in the laughing, and then boom, next comedian goes up and the the bar is already set.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:42:39
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:42:40
You’re already loose and everybody’s running. But that first spot, man, you gotta, ai.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:42:44
It’s this yeah. Same with us. That you if you’re one of 3, Alexander Kaye is doing on this tour, and she’s killing it. But it is a rough one because you one, you’ve got your fans that knew you were one of 3, and they showed up early. So that’s what that’s the only thing you have to advantage.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:42:57
The rest of it is people literally walking in with popcorn and beer in their hand, wondering why the show’s already started. Yeah. You know what I mean? Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:43:05
Exactly.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:43:06
You know, Ai had I I tell people all the time, you’re not gonna be a good performer until you performed in a place where people looked at you like you were interrupting them. Right. You know what I mean? You ever been to a place where you’re like, hey. I’m sorry I’m bothering y’all by playing loud music up here.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:43:18
You fucking knew you were coming to a bar, bitch. You know what I’m saying? It’s just you know? But those are the funniest too, though. I got to open up for Morgan Wallen this year a few times, and it was really fun because in the last few years, we’ve just been ai.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:43:30
We haven’t got to really, you know, go out and do something that was so much dramatically bigger than us that it made sense for us to do it. And I love Morgan. So I was like, I’m in. And, and we went out there, and it was cool because you feel it immediately. You’re like, even with the hits I have, you know, there’s 70,000 people here that bought a ticket to see Morgan Wallen for they knew my name was on the bill.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:43:50
Right. You know? So there’s a lot of people here that are with me, but I’m still having to tell you. I’m still up here like, oh, okay. Tonight.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:43:56
You know? Ai sai there’s 3 scenarios in my business, and I don’t know if this is probably different for y’all’s, but in mine, my three scenarios are this. One is the you’re welcome. We’re here. Right? Which is the simple, like, thank y’all. We thank each other. You came to see me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:44:11
I’m gonna give you a great show. Thank you. It’s the easy one. Right? The the other one is the thank you for listening.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:44:18
I appreciate that you gave me enough respect that you sat here and listened to me. And the third one is the one that makes meh in. It’s the, hey, motherfucker. I’m singing. Yeah. And you have to go through a couple hundred of those before you get good. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:44:33
Like, I don’t care. And that’s what’s been so about, like, the TikTok explosion is you have these kids vatsal have this big hit joke, and they’ll have 5 or 6 hits in a row, and they can start selling 2,000 seats at a theater overnight. It’s kinda like the podcasters that have a quick quick flip, and they go to the comedy clubs on a Friday Yeah. But can’t make nobody laugh or stay.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:44:51
These kids go straight into 2,000 seat rooms and then stand up there like, I’ve never done a fucking show. I’ve never stood in front of anybody. Oh my god. Imagine getting a big TikTok hit, Joe. Never doing a show in your life and showing up. You know what I mean? Or imagine it’s even worse.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:45:05
They put you on an opening tour for somebody. They’re like, we got an amphitheater act that’ll let you be 2 of 4. This will be great. And you’re going out there looking at 6,000 people? Oh my god. You’ve never stood up in a bar? I’m watching it happen to people all the time.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:45:17
I’m having to grab these kids and kinda mentor them now. And it’s the flip side of it where, like, booking agents are dragging them to the slaughter.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:45:23
Of course.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:45:24
Because you
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:45:24
just wanna make money. They don’t give a fuck.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:45:26
And and and here’s the problem. Imagine you’re a kid. You’re 20 years old, 22 years old. You’ve got a big successful record, and you’re going to meet booking agents. You’re excited. I’ve been there. You know? And the first one’s like, we’re gonna push you right in 2,000 seat rooms. You’re gonna get $22,000 a night. You’re like, woo.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:45:42
What? A night? And we’re gonna do it 3 nights every weekend. Oh my god.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:45:46
I’m rich. I’m buying a Corvette.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:45:48
Fucking it immediately. And then you go to the next booking agent. They’re like, now hear me out. My plan is for you to go play these 200 cap rooms ai the Sai Fi in Indianapolis, the end in Nashville. We’re gonna go do that for 6 months. We’re gonna get, like, 40 shows under your belt. You’ll get, like, $1300 a night, $1200 a night. And they’re like, fuck you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:46:08
The other guy just said I’m getting $25,000 a night immediately. Yeah. But ai the truth. Knows what he’s doing. Yeah. That’s the truth. What I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:46:15
This guy actually is doing it right, but he always go they go back to the money. Yeah. Yeah. And then they end up having to circle back, and they gotta refigure it out anyway. You I tell people all the time, you might be able to skip the line a little bit, but you can’t cheat the game. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:46:28
You gotta put them hours in one way or the other, Bob.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:46:30
The same thing with fighters. You know, I see fighters that come out and they compete in the UFC and, like, their first fight, they look fantastic and they’re fast tracked.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:46:38
Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:46:39
And sometimes guys get broken because they they meet top flight competition before they’re really ready. They’re really ai an up and coming fighter honing their skills and they run into a wily veteran who’s like a top 15 guy and they get fucked up and they’re kinda never the same.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:46:54
Yeah. Because they really shouldn’t have been fighting that guy whereas boxing is a lot more clever. If they have a guy who’s like a Terence Crawford or someone’s a really good fighter, they’ll match him up correctly until they can make the big money and until their skills are at a very, very high level, and then they start challenging for a world title.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:47:10
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:47:10
But they prepare them. They get them. They put them the the thing about the UFC is sometimes you just get thrown right to the wolves. And if you’re Jon Jones, that’s fine. Yeah. You know, Jon Jones wins the title at 22. Yeah. You know? But most guys are not Jon Jones. Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:47:24
Most guys could be, like an elite fighter, but the circumstances just derail them before they ever get there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:47:33
It burned them too early, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:47:34
Yeah. They burned them too early.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:47:35
You know, the the and it’s ai what the perfect example of this in the UFC to me is one guy could be Sugar Shah Mhmm. Who went on to be that guy, right, immediately. I know he just had his loss, ai, I mean, he still looks like Sugar to me. You know, that kid’s tough. And the other one could be that kid that we all love, but, Ai always confuse it. Was it Hooper or Hopper?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:47:54
The 19 year old kid. He had a Sugar Shah ai of thing going. He was a he was a contender series guy too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:00
Chase Hooper.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:01
Tooper. That was Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:02
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:02
And to me, that’s kind of the tale of the same kid. You know what I mean? Where it’s ai, for Sugar, it kinda worked. But he’s I tell this is what I tell my people.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:09
Still has a shot. He’s still super talented. He just had to really get better at striking.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:13
Yeah. He’s just young and has to be served with him. Better.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:15
He got a lot better at everything. He’s really good on the ground. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:18
No. The kid the kid is great.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:19
He also went up to 55, which I think was big because he was he was killing himself.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:24
Yeah. Good. Yeah. No. You could tell it was a big weight because especially for such a kid. His frames are they’re they’re they’re they’re kids. Mhmm. I think we still haven’t seen what Sean’s real man body is gonna look like yet completely. He’s Well, Sean’s 30. Is he 30 now? Okay. So we see him.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:38
Him. But what they sai is 25 or 26 now before you actually see a full development.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:41
Well, you definitely see some of these guys that are coming in that are 22 that are still growing. They’re still getting bigger. Like Raul Rosas junior, he’s 19 years old. Yeah. And that kid’s still growing. Every time you see him, it looks more muscular, more jacked. You know?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:48:52
He’s still in his prime. I mean, not even close to his prime. He’s just still growing up.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:48:57
Yeah. There’s still, that’s a, yeah, that’s a that’s a there’s a growing thing that’s yeah. I guess it’s different too, man. I’m thinking about that kid like Chase is that getting put into that national spotlight at the biggest fighting organization in the world at 19. Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:49:15
You know
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:49:15
what I mean? Yeah. And you’re ai, Tavondre Speak is the defensive end for the Tennessee Ai. I’m a huge Titans fan. He was our 1st round 1st round pick this year defensive end. I went to go hang out with him because I just think he’s great. I think he’s gonna be a superstar. He’s 22 years old. He’s probably ai, 300 and some pounds. And he can’t grow a full beard yet.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:49:37
You know what I mean? You know what I’m saying? Like, he it’s still it’s patchy. You know how it is when you’re in your early twenties, it’s still patchy. And I’m looking like and I’m looking at Jeffrey Simmons, who’s our veteran defensive end, who’s 66, just cut like a and I was like, oh, that’s where you’re gonna be at in 4 years, 3 years.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:49:57
You know what I mean? Because we picked up Jeffrey Simmons as a rookie too. It’s like even at 22 years old, they haven’t fully developed in yet. Right. You know, that dude I’m looking at Deandre Speak right now, and I’m like, you still got a baby face. Like, you still got a you know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:50:10
Look at big baby look at baby face Sweat. Do you know what I mean? Look at but you see this face of him right here?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:50:14
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:50:15
That’s all you need to know about his personality. At Big Faith, that’s who he is as a human. He’s the sweetest dude ever. But you can still tell by the look of his face. You know what I mean? That face is gonna slim down and get a little more you know?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:50:25
That’s the craziest job. Yeah. Being a pro football player is the craziest job. It’s because you’re you’re literally in a car wreck every day.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:50:32
Especially ai for their position, they’re in a car wreck every play. Yeah. I think about this offensive lineman, defensive lineman, guaranteed full contact every snap. 100%. Every time we snap the ball because, like, the bryden receivers, they’re gonna hand fight back field.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:50:48
They’re they’re gonna they’re gonna be some action, but not full contact every play. Right. Every single play as soon as they say, what? These 2 linemen are fucking collision course sana and ai. And they’re both hitting each other with the intention to try to knock the other one down first. Right?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:51:05
The goal is, like, if I could hit you and knock you down and go right past you. After that, I just gotta fight my ai.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:51:09
They’re all 300 plus pounds of solid muscle. Huge.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:51:12
Full blown athletes their whole life been playing since they were 8. Sai They’re
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:51:15
all ai with each other. And that’s the American speak.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:51:19
Yeah. It’s a totally it’s a full I mean, in full speed.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:51:23
Ain’t it kinda crazy that that is the American sport? I mean, what other countries even played other than Canada? Yeah. Who else plays football? Like, American style football, they don’t even play it overseas. Yeah. They don’t even touch it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:51:33
No. That was when Nate when Nate Vargassee hosted Saturday Night Live, not this time, but last year, he did that sai that skit joke about it coming from the UK, and he was like, and we will have a sport named football. And they were like, oh, where you’ll kick a ball? They’ll go, no. And they’ll go, so you never kick the ball? They go, sometimes.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:51:50
And it’s it’s so funny about trying to explain football to somebody not from here.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:51:59
It’s bizarre that we didn’t call it a different thing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:01
Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:02
That they were calling it football, and it was soccer. And we just said, no. We’re gonna change the name of that. We’re gonna call it soccer.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:06
Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:07
And this is football now.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:08
Like, what
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:08
are you talking about?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:09
It’s the Meh way, dude. Yeah. It’s like, hey. We don’t care how y’all do temperature everywhere else.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:15
Yeah. Exactly. Fuck you. We go with degrees Fahrenheit, bitch.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:18
Yeah. Fuck you. We’re gonna create 1.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:20
Fuck your metric system. Metric system is so much more efficient. We’re like, nah. No. I don’t like it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:25
You’ll love that Nate skit there because that’s what he does. He just kinda goes through ram and all these ideas. The best part is, Keenan looks at him at the new skit and goes, what about my people? Will the slaves be freed after the war? He said, they will be freed after a war. He said, but not this one. Just suck it. I don’t know. It was a good skit, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:45
It was
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:45
really funny outside ai a lot.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:46
He’s a funny dude. Another Nashville guy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:48
Love him, man. Big big, you know Have
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:52:51
you seen Theo thinking that Nashville speaking of Nashville, guys, you’ve seen Theo do his impression to you?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:52:55
Oh, yeah. It’s the fucking bad. It’s my favorite thing ever. Shelly, roll in every acceptance speak.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:53:02
See if you can find it, Jerry.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:53:04
I wanna thank the concrete lady.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:53:11
Oh, Theo.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:53:12
He did it with him and Joey Diaz.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:53:14
Wins an award.
Speaker: 3
01:53:14
He gets out there, and he’s like, I
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:53:16
I just wanna thank ai now there’s somebody who’s stuck under a bridge. There’s somebody out there It’s a simulation, Joe.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:53:44
Yeah. I think it might be.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:53:45
I could I I just couldn’t believe that I’d be at a place where Theo Vaughn would, one, be my buddy. He came to my LA show. It just made me so happy. I’ve almost cried when I see him. I’m so excited. But then to have him, you know, just fuck, dude. I was, I’ve said this a lot. There’s a dream for an artist. There’s nothing more pop culture than being brought up in a comedy special.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:54:07
Like, if you was an artist back in the old days and you got brought up on an HBO special, you were on fucking fire. You could not be bigger. You know what I’m saying? So it’s like I have those that’s to me is ai those unreal moments when you watch a guy like Theo with his platform impersonating me to do a tee, and we’re friends too.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:54:27
And it’s just ai, I would’ve never even Sai ai thought I’d win an award to give a speech ram more or less that the speech would be so viral that a comedian would have a impression of it. You know what I mean? It’s like it’s the I don’t know. It’s the greatest that’s the greatest compliment you can be paid in pop culture is if a comedian will burn on you a little bit. That’s hilarious.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:54:45
That one was perfect.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:54:46
I’m still like that’s my like, the first time I get dropped in a special, I’m gonna lose my shit. It’s gonna remind me of little me watching HBO specials. You know what
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:54:56
I mean? Someone’s listening to this right now. Some comics probably gonna write a bit, put you in there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:00
Don’t be mean. No. Just be funny.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:01
Just for fun.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:02
Yeah. Maybe it’s Theo.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:04
Yeah. Ai. They’ve even Theo do that in a special.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:07
Theo Theo is such a Ai don’t ai. We’re trying
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:10
to steal him from Nashville.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:11
God. I trust steal him. Well, listen. For what it’s worth, I don’t I think the wife and I are on the way to. Really? Yeah. You know, my wife my wife was born in Houston.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:20
Oh, okay.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:21
She’s always had Texas in her heart. I went out on the river up here, and it’s just Oh my, man. Huge time. I’m coming, bro. I’m over. Man. I love it, dude. I just love the city. I love the space. Before I got here last night, just the few people that knew I was coming, I’d already got text from ai friends down here ram Carrie to Bruce to people that, you know, just just Ai would even my wife was like, you love it there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:44
I was like, she loves Texas anyways. So she’s all in. We’re talking about it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:47
That’s beautiful.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:48
Yeah. We’ll always be back and forth because Nashville’s always Nashville to me.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:52
Are you friends with Gary Clark?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:54
Yes. Ai love Gary Clark, by the way.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:55:57
Sai wizard. He’s a wizard.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:55:58
That’s something else. I was talking to his his manager’s name, Scooter. Have you met Scooter? Yeah. Scooter’s the best. And I was like, I think if I came down there, we would get you know, if I brought the culture the way I approach songwriting in Nashville here, I think we could have a little paradigm shift down here too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:56:14
Why not? You
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:56:14
know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:56:15
Let’s go.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:56:16
That’s why you feel me. That’s my my Kelly Row. Let’s
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:56:18
go. Come
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:56:19
on, man. Broken.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:56:20
A musical mothership. Hey. Let’s go.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:56:23
I’ve told you this before drunk, and I meant it then, and I mean it now. I’m going to come to you one day, and you’re ai not gonna surprise you. I hope Ai gonna with a concept about doing the mother. You just give me the right to call it the, the music mothership in Nashville.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:56:35
Ai give you the right right now. Alright. Go for it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:56:37
I got a plan, man. Because what y’all do for comedy, we have singer have you ever been to a ai round? No. Joe, when you come to Nashville, please please come a little early. Let me take you to a writer’s round.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:56:46
Okay.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:56:46
You will have a ball. So what happens is the songwriters who are writing all these big hit records in town come and they go to these bars and they do writer’s rounds. They’ll set up 3 or 4 bar stools. And every songwriter will have a guitar, and they’ll sing a song they wrote and tell you the story about the song.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:57:02
And it’s the coolest it’s the coolest thing ever because it’s a dude don’t not being funny, but a dude that looks like me if I wasn’t. Meh or a dude that looks like young Jamie, and then he sings ai like I’m dying by Tim McGraw. And he tells the most heartfelt story about where he was at in his life when he wrote the song and how he came up with the concept for it.
Speaker: 3
01:57:23
Oh, wow.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:57:23
And it’s this beautiful thing. And there’s only one place in town that’s really famous for it. It’s called the Bluebird Cafe. They happen everywhere. And the first time I left the mothership, I was like, I’m doing this for music. I’m gonna create this same culture for our songwriters because what happens is if you can create a place where people feel safe, they show up. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:57:43
So what happens is because, like, I don’t go to the Bluebird Cafe a lot because it’s a pain in the ass to get in and out of. So if one of my friends calls, like, hey. I’m at the Bluebird. It’s a legendary spot, and I love it. Ai, will you come sing something with me?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:57:55
It’s like you know what I mean? There’s no structure. It was well, you built your club for comedy. You knew that if the comedians were happy, they would show the fuck up. And then if you did everything you could to cater it to the comedians first, that they would come and bring their best sana the best comedians would be there, which means that people are gonna come see the best art.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:58:13
Right? Same concept I’m gonna try to do with music. It’s my next move, dude. Let me open my bar first, Bubba, and I’m a circle back about this. That’s a great idea. I just want your right to call I don’t want no A 100%. No. Do it. I just wanna call it the music mothership.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:58:24
It’s a great idea. And we’ll talk about the logo ai I wanna kinda do a music. I wanna be like a guitar version of the alien. You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:58:30
Do it. Do it up. Do it up.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:58:32
Imagine you’re a little alien with a guitar. You know what I’m just saying? They call it the music mothership.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:58:36
Why not? Well, the the idea behind it, you could definitely apply to music. Yeah. For sure. Ai of idea.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:58:41
Take the phone so we you know what else what happens to? I thought about this. If I take the phones like y’all do, then it becomes a laboratory.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:58:48
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:58:49
Right? Because then it goes from, like, not only will I send you the hit I just wrote, how about I got a song Morgan Wallen’s gonna put out next month Oh. That nobody’s heard. Oh. Oh. You see what I’m saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s a safe place. Morgan shows up to sing it. Nobody’s videoing. Nobody’s picturing.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:59:05
People know it’s a laboratory too, and that’s another exciting thing about it. It. Like, when you go to the mothership, you go to that bottom of the barrel show. That’s a full laboratory show.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:59:14
My favorite show I’ve seen there.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:59:15
Nobody knows what the fuck it’s gonna be about. You just reach into a barrel and pulling out suggestions.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:59:19
Yeah. That a bunch of people that are mothership fans wrote on paper. Yeah. I’ve it gets wild immediately. They’re fucking not there wasn’t a warm up question. It’s automatically to the Ai Simpson is so good at it, by the way.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:59:32
Yeah. Well, it’s his show. But the reason why it’s so good is because it’s like a premise factory. Like, you you just get ignited by this thought that you didn’t think of before that. Like, in that moment, someone says something about fire trucks and then you’re like, you know about fire trucks? And then all of a sudden, there’s a bit.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
01:59:49
Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
01:59:50
Like, all of a sudden because of necessity, because you’re forced into the situation where you’re trying to like, it’s literally ai you’re calling on the muse on the stage and, you know, a lot of times it’s nothing. Like, 7 out of 10 times, you ain’t got shit for that bit. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:00:02
But every now
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:03
and then, you catch fire and that becomes ai a bit.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:00:05
Oh, you’ve had have you ever had one birth into a bit?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:08
A bunch of them. I’ll tell you which one’s off stage Okay. Or off off camera, but a bunch of them.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:00:12
A bunch of them.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:13
Yeah. A bunch of them. Because it’s just like that that that little room too is ai so ai, you can’t bullshit anybody in that little room.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:00:21
No. I like it. It feels like we’re all sitting Indian style together.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:23
Yeah. There’s only a 100 people in there. Yeah. A 110, I think, is when it’s fully packed.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:00:28
Oh, wow.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:29
Dave was the 1st person who wants Dave there.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:00:31
Really?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:31
Yes. Well, actually, Shane for Shane opened for Gilles Gilles opened for Chappelle. We didn’t even tell the audience who was going on stage. We just said it’s a special intimate show. Wow. Show sold out like that. Nobody knew who it was. And then Gilles goes on stage, does 15 minutes, and he brings up Dave. And Dave had, like, an hour and a half. God.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:00:48
And he just fully writes on stage. Like, he had just done a special. He fully writes on stage. Like, he has ideas and he just, like, lets him breathe. Just fucks around on stage, gets a little tipsy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:00
Just ai
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:01:01
to Just fucks around on stage.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:03
Can I tell that to me? I you can cut this if you don’t sana be tell it, but my favorite story I tell about you is my time at the comedy club with you was one of the first times I did this spot. I think you had shows shah night, and I went to both of them. And the first one was killer.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:16
But the second one, you had gotten a little slippery, and it was fun. It was it was it was like because I remember right before you walked out there, you even looked at me. That’s the word you used. You said Sai felt a little slippery. It’s just a little loose. You had your cup in your hand, and I ai seen a twinkle in you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:32
I was like, oh, I’m staying because I was gonna leave. I’d already seen the show. You know? You did 2 shows. I was like, oh, I gotta see this.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:37
I think this is gonna be a little different.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:01:40
It was the fun ones.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:41
Yeah. It was fun, meh. Because I got to watch the same set, but you fuck around a little more and kinda get lost in it ai just having fun with it. Yeah. You know, like, you could tell you were ai you did the first one, like, this is what I know I got. And the second one, you had a couple of cocktails, like, I’m gonna riff on this point a little bit. Just fuck off.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:56
Sometimes when you
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:01:57
do that, you have the best part of the joke.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:01:58
That’s when and that’s when you’ll find probably the shit that closes it out. Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:02:02
I would Ai it’s, like, taglines just come to you in the moment, and you’re like, wow. I never even thought of that one before.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:02:07
Yeah. Do you get straight off stage and write them down?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:02:09
No. I record all my sets.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:02:10
Oh, wow.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:02:11
So then after I I’m done, I’ll listen to the recording and then I write. Yeah. I sit down from the laptop and just
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:02:17
Actually sai down and put them out. Does it help you to see your ideas like that?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:02:20
It helps me to expand on them because it takes longer to type a thought than it does to think it. Right? So, like, if I’m thinking of coffee cup, I’m thinking of it instantly, but it takes a couple of seconds for me to write it. And that gives me chances to, like, explore left, rights, down, up, all these different ways you can go with an idea. Yeah.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:02:39
So and and then I’ll usually, like, try to write it out like a essay form. So if I have an idea and it’s funny and it does really well in, like, bottom of the barrel or riff out of nowhere, then I take that idea and I just write out like a essay. Just I’m not even trying to be funny.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:02:54
I just try to think about all the different angles of this idea and then I’ll extract, like, little pieces of it and try these little pieces on stage.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:03:03
Wow. And then you go and test them and chew the meh and spit the fat down.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:03:07
Ai in the middle of it, you’re like, this sounds wrong. This sounds disingenuous. I’ll take a totally different approach. Sometimes I’ll contradict ai, like, in the middle of it. I’ll go, but what the fuck do I why would I think that I know the answer to the and then, that becomes
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:03:19
the bit. Right. Then it turns into return.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:03:21
Yeah. You never know, man. And the whole thing is just numbers. You just gotta put a lot of numbers in, a lot of numbers in front of the computer, numbers on stage. It’s just it’s like this constant process of, like, building a mountain one layer of paint at a time. Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:03:35
Just could just constant, time under pressure. Yeah. My my my me and my daughter, she wants to write she writes songs. She’s already so much better than I was at 16. But, she would come to me a couple years ago, and she’d be like, hey. I wanna put some of this stuff out. I’ve been writing all this stuff.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:03:51
And I was torn because I was like, well, you should have the right to put out whatever you want. That’s the freedom that exist. But I know something you don’t know, that you just wrote your first 30 songs, and they’re incredible for your first 30 songs. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:04:05
Like, you know what I mean? Like Yeah. You go go write a 100, and let’s see if we can find 5 that are worth rewriting, rework, and refiguring out. Right. You know what I mean? And and I was cool. It taught me a lot about her personality because she was like, I get it. She got it immediately.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:04:18
I would’ve got it at 15. You know what I mean? She got it. She was like, cool. No problem.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:04:22
Well, she probably
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:04:22
sees what you do. You know? And that’s the beautiful thing about having an example, whether it’s your peers or for her your dad. You know, you get to see an example of how someone does a process. Because if you’re not around anybody that’s trying to get good at something, you don’t really know how to do it. Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:04:40
That’s one of the cool things about a conversation like this. Because there’s people out there that are listening that don’t have anybody around them that’s doing cool shit.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:04:47
Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:04:47
And they think it’s impossible. And they hear about this dude that was in jail for half his fucking life and, you know, this other dude who’s a cage fighting cage ai commentator and stand up comedian, like, these fucking guys are not they’re not normal either.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:04:59
Right.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:05:00
Like, maybe I’m not normal. Maybe ai this maybe there is something out there for me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:05:05
Yes.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:05:05
But I don’t hear it from anybody in my neighborhood. I don’t hear it from my parents. I don’t hear it from my my teachers. I don’t hear it from my boss. Right. And I’m fucking lost, you know. And then they hear people talk about, like, the love of writing songs that you have, the the passion you have for creating a thing, how you piece it, how you jump up and write down the premise, you write down an an idea for a a lyric.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:05:29
And then in their head, they’re like, I can do that with something. Ai can do that with something. I just have to find a thing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:05:35
I sai, just find a thing, man. Just just there was ai daddy. I sat down with him at a bar called the 10 roof on the Mummery Street one night, Joe, and I looked at my dad in the eye, and I said, I’m done. I ai, I’ve I’ve done everything I can. I I remember I was probably 29 years old. It’s probably a decade ago.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:05:52
And I said, dad, I’ve I’ve been out of jail 5 years or 4 years, whatever. I’ve done everything I can in this business. You know how hard I’ve worked. Do you think our brother Roger will give me a job on a meat truck because my father sold meat? So did my brother.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:06:06
He said, I know your brother will give you a job on a meat truck, but I wanna give you some perspective. I said, I’m I’m I’m open for a healthy dose of that. He said, you’ve only been out here trying this as hard as you possibly can for 5 years. Just ai, 4 years, 4 and a 5 years. I said, Dan, that’s 5 years. He said, if you went to Vanderbilt, you still wouldn’t have your bachelor’s degree. Joe.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:06:32
It’s true. Right? It’s so true. It it it covered me. And he said, Jason, if you’re working as hard as you really as I know you are, if you’re really writing every day, if if you’re doing shows every week and I was opening up $50 a night.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:06:47
I mean, you you know, my story is that old school meh in the van and go do a 1,000 shows for fucking gas money. You know what I mean? He’s like, if you’re really doing that, there’s no way it’s not gonna work. If you’re really doing it, not you’re faking it, not you’re half assing it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:07:02
If you’re really this is all that matters to you. If you were going to Vanderbilt right now and you did it for another 5 years, you’d finally be a brain surgeon. He said, if I was you, I’d wait and see if I was a brain surgeon. You know what I’m saying? I swear, dude.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:07:17
I’ll never forget, and I’ll never forget calling him crying the first time I moved into a neighborhood with a surgeon. You know what I mean? Right. You know, when you call him, like, you won’t fucking believe. I just met my neighbor. Guess what he does? What? He’s a fucking plastic surgeon.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:07:30
You know what I’m saying?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:07:35
That’s crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:07:36
Yeah. That old man knew something, though. But he just knew that the law of work would never work against us. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:07:41
Yeah. If you keep going, that’s the thing we were talking about before about people bailing out.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:07:45
Yeah. That’s it. It gets hard. You just gotta sit, man. You just gotta you just gotta sit, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:07:48
You just gotta sit. You also gotta recognize when you’re making the right moves or the wrong moves, you know, with what you’re doing. And sometimes people don’t wanna course correct.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:07:55
Mhmm.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:07:56
They don’t wanna course correct, and then it could be a bad relationship. Oh, that one that one’s tanked more guys than anything.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:08:03
Yeah. I’ve seen it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:08:04
And gals.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:08:04
I’ve seen it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:08:05
The bad relationship one, that’ll tank you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:08:07
No. That’ll do it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:08:08
Become everything in your life is that thing, and then you have very little resources for your art. Yeah. Because your life is just a storm. There’s a storm of confusion and chaos and fucking emotions every day.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:08:19
Yeah. And then ai to block it out to make the art.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:08:22
Exactly.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:08:22
You know? Yeah. If you can’t allow it to be the muse for it for me, it was a little different because it became the muse. The chaos that was happening around me just became up. I had a moment where and this is such a cool epiphany I had, Joe. For the longest time, I thought I was special because I was from Antioch, Tennessee, and I grew up in a certain ai of way around certain kind of people and that I was special because that was that Ai hung on to that.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:08:47
Like, I’m different. And then I realized what was happening was I was just like everybody else. That’s what the superpower really was is that every fucking neighborhood in America is like Antioch almost. You know what I mean? So it was like a totally different thing.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:09:02
So I started realizing, oh, this isn’t this is the muse. I’m speaking for every man when I’m writing just the chaos that’s happening around me right now. This is the every man story.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:09:15
Isn’t it crazy that everybody wants to be speak, but every special person wants to be an every man? Yeah. I like being in every man. That’s what I like being.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:09:26
Me too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:09:27
Yeah. But when you’re a kid, you wanna be different. You wanna pretend that you’re different than other people because that’ll make success more attainable.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:09:34
Exactly.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:09:35
You wanna pretend that that you have some special quality and ability that other people don’t possess, so that’s why you can get to this bizarre position that everybody wants, but where everybody in our business wants Mhmm. To be successful and famous. So you have to be bizarre. You have to and then once you get there, you’re ai, oh, shit. I’m everybody everybody’s just the same.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:09:53
Everybody’s the same. I gotta get make sure that I keep that. Yeah. Make sure that I keep we’re all the same.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:09:58
That’s it was it was in my songwriting. I’m gonna say 2,015, 16 ish. I realized that I was trying to tell special stories and that God had put me in a situation. He was screaming at me to tell a story of a group of people that had never had their story tyler, but I was just going out of my way to try to come up with a special story.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:10:19
You know what I mean? Right. Right. When I started being like, you know what? No. I’m just gonna write about my neighbor who’s struggling with drug addiction.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:10:26
I’m just gonna write a song about my baby mother because I’m infuriated that she left our daughter high and dry like this because of drugs. You know what I mean? Like, I just started writing from that perspective. Yeah. And then I realized that it was connecting with people because it was the every meh story. You know what I mean? I almost called this album Cinderella Meh. Right?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:10:46
And I’ll tell you why Sai didn’t. But I thought I watched the movie, and I was like, I had a moment in that movie where when he’s walking you’ve seen the movie. Right? Y’all all seen movie time? Sure.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:10:56
He’s walking in a, for those who haven’t, it’s about a old boxer who in the depression had kinda was on a losing streak, kinda long in the tooth. They call
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:11:04
him Praddock.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:11:04
James Praddock. They would call him a journeyman is what we call him now. Just did look like it never gonna work out for him. Working couldn’t get a job on a loading dock almost. Family could family splitting ram. One of the greatest movies ever. Russell Crowe. Right?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:11:15
Yep.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:11:16
And he comes out. And towards the end, he ends up fighting this championship fight, and it’s a crazy movie to watch. But when he’s running, he goes by the old doc, and they’re all cheering for him. And I relate to this because this happened to me, and he didn’t understand it. He looks at his manager. You remember this scene?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:11:30
This is the scene that I related to the most. He looks at his manager and goes, why are they cheering for me? He goes, because you’re them. I was like, I’m the fucking Cinderella man. That’s why this worked for me at 40. You know what I mean?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:11:43
Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:11:44
And, but I ended up calling it Beautifully Broken because as I started really writing because that sai my idea going into the project. Mhmm. I’m gonna write the Cinderella man story. And all I could think about was other people. Every time I speak up a pen, I would think about this young lady at a show who told me that sai me helped her because she was raped by her uncle.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:12:07
Something like, what do I write for her? I see winning streak. I watch this moment, ai I gotta write that for him. You know? Now I might write some of them from first perspective, but it changed everything. And all of a sudden Ai was like, this sound ain’t about me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:12:29
Do you know what I mean? Right. This album is about finding beauty in broken things. You know? Yeah.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:12:37
And instantly, it was ai, once again, how God works as soon as I took me out of it, the album blossomed Yeah. Immediately. I wrote a wrote 80 songs that sucked. Just couldn’t find my way to what story I was trying to tell. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:12:53
And just as soon as I was like, let’s go back to where where’s the muse coming from? What who am I writing for? I say I’m the voice of the voiceless. When I when I had the opportunity to go talk about Fentanyl down at Capitol Hill, I didn’t hesitate. I knew I was going to talk for a bunch of people that couldn’t talk. You know what I mean? It’s like, who am I writing this for? Right.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:13:10
And, dude, it changed that whole writing style, dog. And ai tyler I got lost and wrote another 80. Damn. But it’s ai I’m having fun. I got a direction.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:13:17
I feel like I’ve heard from Ai. I’m Moses. You know what I’m saying? The burning bushes spoke. I know what I’m supposed to be writing about. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:13:23
It took me 8 to 16 months to get there, but that’s just how it works.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:13:26
What you’re saying too about taking yourself out of it?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:13:29
Soon as I took me out of it. You know what I mean? Soon as I took me out of it. It was that easy. Sai that fast.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:13:36
It’s almost like a trap. Like, that’s the You’re Sai Vane song. Yeah. It’s like a trap.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:13:41
For
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:13:42
sure. That trap of thinking about yourself. You’ve you’ll waste so much of your resources. Yeah. So much of your resources, like, thinking about how you sana come off, how you want people to react to it, how you wanna, like, get out there and kill it in front of everybody, and you miss all the beautiful magic.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:13:59
All the magic.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:14:01
It’s right there. Yeah. You know, and you’re just missing you just you just get lost in the heart.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:14:06
And when you’re at your best, you are them. You are one of them. You’re, like, singing for them. You know?
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:14:11
When when I’m at my best, it’s when I didn’t know they were cheer Ai didn’t know they were even cheering for me. Right. It’s because I’m one of them. You know what I mean? It’s kinda like the, yeah, it’s that it’s that same kind yeah. This album was the most fun I’ve ever had getting to an album.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:14:24
I learned so much about myself. I think that’s one
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:14:27
of the things that people really dislike about stars, like famous people, like people that you think of as stars that they somehow know they think they’re better than everybody else. That’s the thing that people, like, dislike the most. Like, oh, they think they’re better than us. They live in Beverly Hills.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:14:42
They think they’re better than us because they’re a star. You know, ain’t better than us.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:14:46
And it’s
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:14:46
ai, when someone can do what you do and stay the same person and stay them, just a better version of who you used to be, but stay stay normal.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:14:54
Yeah. And actually getting better every day because I’m doing the work. Yeah. Trying to be better. You know what I mean? I was telling the Titan when I went and talked to him at the game, I was like, I focus and I don’t focus on winning anything but life. Like, I I know that everything else is gonna be good as long as I’m focused on being a good father.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:15:11
Like, priority number 1 is, like, am I a good husband? What I’ve learned is if I’m winning as a husband and I’m winning as a father, I am fucking kicking ass in business.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:15:19
Yeah. The last thing you want is those home dramas. Yeah. Yeah. You don’t want no home drama. No. It’s crazy.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:15:24
But it’s also that’s something we’re talking about things that distracted people. I was in so many bad relationships early or even times in my life I was single courting multiple women, and that’s such a distraction. Like, when I got with my wife and felt of, ai, to the point of being ai, I don’t wanna spend time with any woman but you when I have the time I have to spend, I wanna spend it with you.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:15:45
And all my it’s like my whole world suddenly went from feeling like it was this big to this big. Right. And when it got that small, I was like, oh, man. This is it. We’re in a foxhole.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:15:55
And then I just started kicking ass outside
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:15:57
of that.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:15:58
You know what I’m saying? It’s ai life just starts winning. Ai like, oh, dude. It’s because I’m fucking winning at home.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:16:02
It’s also what you’re saying too about your resources. Like, you have so much more to give, you know, and everything’s positive. A happy home life, like, feeds off your happy business life and your happy performing life. That’s what we all sana, you know. We all want a beautiful community of people that are, like, enjoying life and experiencing life together.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:16:24
Your family and your friends and the people you fuck around with, you just want a beautiful community of people having a good ai. And that’s possible, but it’s hard. And that’s why it’s so wonderful when you get it because you know that there’s a lot of people out there that are never gonna get it.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:16:40
Man, that’s deep. That’s probably the hardest part. It’s a lot of work towards it too, though, man. A lot of work. It’s a lot
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:16:46
of work on yourself.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:16:47
Yeah. Yeah. Lot lots and lots of work. That’s, that’s work in relationships, though, man.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:16:52
Just think about the arc that you’ve gone through from being a kid getting arrested as a sai kid, spending all that time in juvenile and jail and then getting free and then figuring out that you’re talented and then pursuing this crazy impossible dream, you know, into where you are now. It’s nuts.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:17:10
Sitting on the biggest podcast in the world, my ai. It’s an
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:17:12
it’s an amazing story. I mean, it’s an amazing if it was in a movie, you’d have a hard time believing it. Like, that that movie’s nuts. No, man.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:17:19
That’s it. For sure. I’m telling you, dude, That little fat, nerdy alien that’s playing me on the game every day is fucking killing it.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:17:26
He’s killing it. My brother, I appreciate you very much. Yeah. I love you. Sai love you very much.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:17:29
I gotta I gotta put Jamie on blast before we go, though. Jamie, Jamie, we got a deal. Me and Jamie had some cocktails one night. Come look at Jamie. And we had a deal that if I ever played Ohio Stadium, Joe Rogan, that Jamie was gonna come out and play the guitar. Jamie, you got any video of you playing guitar? Yeah. Not recently. Recently.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:17:46
But, yeah, I used to be in a band and played music on stage and stuff.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:17:49
Sure. He definitely knew. I
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:17:50
ai him talking.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:17:51
Do you have any video of you playing guitar
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:17:53
that we get some sweat right now? No. It’s no. It’s ai you wouldn’t know it sai me.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:17:57
It’s just a lot of heavy metal music. Yeah. Will you pull up a Buckeye Country Fest then so you can show everybody the flyer of the concert you’re gonna be playing next year?
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:18:08
Oh my god.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:18:09
There it is, baby. I’ll see you there, Jamie.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:18:12
Jamie, June 21, 2020 ai, Ohio Stadium, Columbus, Ohio. Let’s fucking go.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:18:18
Yo. Fuck jelly roll. Y’all come to see young Jamie play that guitar. I love
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:18:21
that Megan Maroney trick too.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:18:22
She’s listen, man. She’s awesome. Awesome, dude.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:18:25
Yeah. My Ai great.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:18:26
My dog’s great.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:18:27
Turned me out to her.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:18:28
Yeah. She’s she’s she is badass, man. When she made her Opry debut, she wore a jelly roll jacket, and it tickled me so pink. It it made me ai the cool dad for my daughter because my daughter loves her too.
Speaker: Joe Rogan
02:18:39
So that’s like amazing. Really cool.
Speaker: Jelly Roll
02:18:41
I love you, Joe, man. I love you too. Thank you for your time, brother. Beautifully broken available now. Available now. Go get it. Ai, buddy.
