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(0:00) Bestie intros!
(4:55) Sacks recaps election night at Mar-a-Lago
(8:28) Analyzing the results: how Trump won, why Kamala and the Democratic Party lost
(25:55) The failing Democratic coalition, campaign spend disparity, Trump’s advantage in earned media
(37:59) What mattered most: Policy, Candidate, or Campaign?
(50:44) GOP will likely win House and Senate, potential cabinet positions, avoiding neocons
(1:10:42) Cabinet positions, shaking up the unelected bureaucratic branch
(1:28:47) California rejects progressives
(1:35:17) Abortion laws being settled around the US
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https://x.com/twobitidiot/status/1854192602985255042
https://www.270towin.com/2024-election-results-live/president
https://x.com/ChrisCillizza/status/1854515791690953066
https://x.com/Jason/status/1854209590424121464
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1854045298475110779
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1854342908356297068
https://x.com/arifleischer/status/1854270972775305291
https://www.fec.gov/data/spending-bythenumbers/?office=P
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-01/16-billion-will-be-spent-in-the-2024-election-wheres-it-all-going
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1829383729284067659
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people
https://x.com/TheRabbitHole84/status/1840977783247286429
https://www.cnn.com/election/2024
https://polymarket.com/event/house-control-after-2024-election
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1854536321282519396
https://www.instagram.com/p/DCFJ4mlsmEG/?hl=en
https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1854202717637411199
Supreme Court strikes down Chevron, curtailing power of federal agencies
https://x.com/chamath/status/1854229735477551600
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/la-district-attorney-progressive-loses-re-election-gascon-rcna175906
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-abortion.html
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Trump wins! How it happened and what’s next Podcast Episode Summary
In this podcast episode, the discussion centers around the recent election, focusing on the strategies and outcomes for both major political parties. Key points include the role of alternative media, such as podcasts, in shaping public opinion and influencing voter turnout, particularly among young men. The speakers highlight how the Republican candidates, including Donald Trump, effectively utilized these platforms to reach audiences directly, bypassing traditional media channels.
Chamath Palihapitiya and other speakers critique the Democratic Party’s choice of candidates, particularly Kamala Harris, and emphasize the impact of economic issues like inflation on voter decisions. They argue that the Democrats failed to address their record on the economy and other critical issues, which contributed to their electoral challenges.
The episode also touches on the concept of “earned media,” contrasting it with paid media, and discusses how Trump’s media strategy capitalized on this to gain visibility and support. The speakers debate the importance of policy versus personality in elections, with some expressing reservations about Trump’s character despite aligning with his policies.
Actionable insights include the need for political parties to adapt to new media landscapes and the importance of addressing economic concerns directly with voters. The episode underscores the recurring theme of transparency and accountability in government, with calls for radical transparency as a means to build trust with the public.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of the evolving political landscape, where media strategy and economic issues play pivotal roles in shaping electoral outcomes. The speakers encourage constructive conversations about the future and emphasize the importance of staying engaged and informed.
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Well, let’s, let’s just go around the horn. Who voted for Trump? Let’s all raise their hands for those who voted for Trump. Ready? 123. Go.
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I voted twice. I voted twice.
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You too, Britney. It was so easy. How many swing states did
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you vote in?
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I voted in 4 swing states.
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They sent multiple ballots to my house. I filled in all
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of them.
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They cut
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this shit off. Okay. Let’s start. The weather winner ai. Rain meh Hey, everybody. Welcome back to my Jay Saloni project.
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Ai energy is so dorky.
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Welcome. Welcome. I’m a Tim Waltz. I’m Tim Waltz of the All In Pod. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome.
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Knucklehead? You’re the knucklehead in the All
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In Pod. I’m a knucklehead.
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Did you just sachet into the your seat? I am right here. Shah us your jazz. Show us your jazz.
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That name just enjoy that name, Tim Walz, while you can because you’re never gonna hear about that guy again. He’s gonna be more forgettable than Tim Cain. They’re gonna be doing s
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and l skit on that live bit.
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They’re gonna be doing s and l skits and how forgettable he is.
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That that s and l skit was next level. I agree. Okay. So today, we are gonna cover the biggest thing in the news?
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Yeah. Right. We’ll start out with a little housekeeping and then we’ll get into it. So like and subscribe on YouTube. Youtube.com/at vatsal in. We’re trying to hit a 1000000 subscribers. Don’t forget the holiday party, all in dot com shah events. It is Saturday, December 7th in SF.
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We have a couple of great announcements for the holiday party, which I think we are spending way too much money on. Steve Aoki will be DJing. Nice. On Andrea Botez will be there doing the opening DJ set and her sister, Alex, will be joining us as well. Andrea and Alex will also be playing the Botez sisters. We’re gonna have a chess tournament during the party, which will be super fun.
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Sai, you can get in on that. Challenge, Alex Botez or David Sai to chess. Gary Richards, also known as Destructo,
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sai a chance for a rematch.
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That’s right.
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As I recall, I I beat her last time.
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Yeah. And we will I also told you
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you totally told me to go ai and wouldn’t give me any help.
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I also blundered my queen and still won on time, which I will always hold dear in my heart. But that was given
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her more time. If she if we had given her more ai. That that was a really tough situation. Yeah.
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She would’ve crushed all of us.
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4 v 1. Tough. Yeah.
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But it’s gonna be a great show. Other guests to be announced in the future. Ai almost sold out. We’re doing, like a special dinner after the live shah. And then the party’s gonna be awesome. Casino games, food, drinks, DJs. This is just to have fun, guys. This is not meant to be kind of like the summit type show. We’re gonna just have a great time. So we hope everyone will join us.
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And if you’ve got startups that wanna join, please come on by, buy some tickets, and How much does this
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cost to us? You said $1,000,000. A $1,000,000?
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Yeah. It should be odd. The odds are odds are we’re gonna lose money on this. The idea is to
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see if we what we’re selling.
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Not enough. Not enough.
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Yeah. What’s the total attendance size?
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Sacks, you just won the White House. I think you’re fine.
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Anybody can do this anyone can do this math. How many how many how big is the theater, and what do we charge you for the tickets?
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Well, it’s
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not a theater. So there’s, like the tickets are, like, $500. I love you being the moderator and taking all the arrows. This is great. Oh, so it’s not a theater theater. Moderating again? Well, it’s the PFA. Remember where they used to have the Exploratorium? That that building where they Oh, yeah.
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That they built for the the world’s fair or whatever? So it’s in there, and it’s all empty. So we’re kinda taking that. We’re building a stage inside. We’re gonna build all the the set and everything. Yeah. Should be fun. Okay.
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So
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I’ll be there. First of all Sounds great.
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Yeah. If you could take some pictures Yeah.
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Sachs would love to
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see what what’s nice. Unless it’s Mar a Lago, Sachs will not show up. I wanna just congratulate It’s
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like, oh, we’re spending $1,000,000? I won’t be there.
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Thanks.
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K. Sorry. Keep going.
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I wanna congratulate someone really special, without whom Ram would likely not have been elected president. So your bravery, your ingenuity, your creativity, you led the way, and you brought millions of people the direct news they couldn’t get anywhere else. Jason, congrats.
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Yes.
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Thank you. The all in pod. You’ve inadvertently architected a system that’s helped return Trump to the White House. And for that, many people are praising you today. Congrats, Jason. How does it feel to have finally accomplished your dream?
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Feels great.
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Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Big shout out to Jacob.
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See a tweet where somebody somebody gave me a lot of credit for moving the Overton window in Silicon Valley, and they said that Jason was indispensable as my foil. If I do have him to dunk on for 4 years with my political takes, it wouldn’t have been nearly as effective. So thank you for that.
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Absolutely not. Yeah. My pleasure. I’m I’m listening for you.
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I am Abbott to you. I am your your internal MSM debating partner.
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We need someone to represent the legacy media point of view.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. So let’s kick it off. Sacks, You were at Mar a Lago on election night. I I thought it’d just be great if you could tell us a little bit about what the scene was ai, how was it, and when did you guys kind of know that Trump had kind of the victory in the bag?
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Was it pre, the polls coming in? Because you had pollster data early or, you know, tell us a little bit about the experience there and when it all kinda came together.
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Yeah. I went over there, I guess, around 7:30, I wanna say, Ai. Tucker invited me to come on his show. Tucker was doing a live stream from the library at Mar a Lago. I’d actually never been over there before. There was also a a dinner going on in the ballroom, which was, I think, primarily for Mar a Lago members and, you know, there were some senators there, members of the campaign.
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And then there was another room set up with a bunch of TVs for basically the staff to watch the results come in. When I first got there, people were kinda just watching, trying to find out the early results. I would say that the whispers were positive, but people didn’t ai know more than the rest of us. Everyone’s kinda waiting for the results to come in.
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I did get a chance to take a photo with the president. Actually, Elon came in separately around the same time, and we got a very memorable photograph here. When I shook the president’s hand, I gotta tell you, he was cool as a cucumber. He did not seem nervous about Did
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he feel confident ai he had it in the bag?
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Yeah. I think he was confident, but I don’t think he was acting like he had it in the bag or anything like that. Didn’t know meh. But he was just super super relaxed and calm and, taking photos with everyone. He was in a good mood.
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Meh the moment when his hand touched yours. Take us to the
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hand. Just unpack
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it a little bit. I’m
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just saying, man, when I Did he give you
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a shake? He gives that little shake to exert a little dominance. Did he give you the shake?
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It was just a normal handshake, but my point is, like, I could detect no nervousness whatsoever on Yeah. His part. And, look, the rest of us were we were, like, nervous. I mean, we were wondering what was gonna happen.
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Country was nervous. Yeah. Yeah.
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And what were you guys doing? Just hanging out, having cocktails, having dinner, just everyone was meandering, chilling? What’s the scene what’s the scene like at Mar a Lago?
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There’s a dinner in the ballroom. Actually, I saw Jared there. Jared was very nice to me. He he asked me, do you wanna sit down at the at the dinner? And I I coulda joined him, but then I decided to do the the live stream with you guys, and I pulled in Don Junior, and we did the live stream with with Don Junior.
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Like I said
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Are you officially a Mar a Lago meh, by the way, for 500 large?
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Oh my lord.
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Is that ai? 500,000?
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Well, that’s what Don Junior told us. But look, there’s a process to get in. I mean, I don’t I don’t live in Palm Beach. I think that’s the Palm Beach community is members of Mar a Lago. Yeah. So I think that there were It wasn’t a huge group of people at Mar a Lago and really all the supporters were convened at the convention center in Palm Beach.
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There were thousands of people there. I think originally they had talked about doing a election night party at Mar a Lago, but it just got too big sai they moved it to the convention center. So Ai don’t know, whatever it was that I dropped off the live stream with you guys, I then moved to the convention center, got back on with Newt, and then we were kinda waiting at the convention center.
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We were all feeling good increasingly so throughout the night. I would say that when Pennsylvania finally got called, then I think everyone knew that it was in the bag at that point. Mhmm. And it was just a matter of time before the election got called for for Trump. And then, you know, at some point, they kinda herded us downstairs into that large ballroom where Trump gave his victory speech with the rest of the campaign staff.
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So the final tally, it looks like, is gonna be 312 electoral college votes for, president Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris’s 226. Just for context, in 2016, Trump won with 300 and 4 electoral votes, and Biden won in 2020 with 306. So it’s a pretty sweeping victory. He won all the supposed swing states this year, fairly resoundingly. There’s there’s no real super close calls. There’s some close calls, but but pretty resounding victory. Chamath, what happened?
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Wow. It’s a it’s a really good question. I think that there’s many layers of the answer. But I think in its most basic calculation, I think that the bottom fell out of the Democratic party. And if you look at why, there’s a simple explanation and then there’s the more nuanced explanation. I think the simple explanation is, like, they just lost the script.
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I think that there was so many people that just got really tired of being spoken at and labeled misogynist, racist, fascist, transphobe, whatever it was. And there was just these litany of these judgmental labels that would come out instead of engaging on the topics at hand.
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So I think the Democratic Party played this game of trying to use identities, genders, races as a bid to basically get people that they thought should always vote in their direction to continue to support them. And instead, what happened was people just started to think for themselves and say, hold on a second. I’m just a normal person that wants to be left alone.
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What matters to me? And I think what Donald Trump spoke to was a desire for folks to have economic prosperity, a safe neighborhood, a predictable educational curriculum where these kids could go to school, not be indoctrinated and come out the other side and just know some useful skills so that they could get a good job and do better than they did.
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And all these basic truths ended up on the ballot. And so it was a bunch of perception versus just a bunch of hard realities, and I think Trump stayed focused and ultimately made sure that people understood that that’s what he was focused on. And I think the Democrats just went to this place of demagoguery and labels, and I think it was just a resounding defeat.
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And, David, I just want you to, like, just to put a pin on how resounding it is. In California and New York, which I would say are the 2 most prolific bastions of elitist liberal thinking, Democrats won those states in some of the narrowest margins they’ve ever seen. I think in 2020, they won California by 29 points. It was barely half is what they won by this year.
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In New York, it shrunk to a 12 point margin. So what is this telling you? It’s telling you that the Democrats really need to retool and get back to first principles. It was a cataclysmic dismissal of wokism, of cancel culture, of judgmentalism. It was an ringing endorsement of a meritocracy, of just plain simple common sense, of talking with people and to people, being able to tolerate disagreements, remaining friends, all of those things were on the ballot.
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And it it was just an absolute resounding victory for just normalcy. That’s what I think we saw. We saw a return to normalcy.
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Jason, do you think that that message got across more clearly in this election than ever before as some have claimed because of the power of alternative media for reaching the audience rather than having everything pushed through reporters in traditional legacy media. In this case, many of the candidates, particularly on the Republican side, went direct to the audience through long form podcasts like ours, but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many others.
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And did that move the needle for a lot of people in a way that won this, or was it the policies and the difference alone?
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Yeah. I well, clearly, being on podcast was a major part of Trump’s strategy that people are starting to report on right now. And, you know, in media, you go where the audience is, and I think the Democrats just didn’t get that. Now stepping back, I think the number one problem here is the candidate that the Democrats put up. And probably the close number 2 is inflation.
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And, you know, the economy, as you know, we all know it’s the economy stupid. If you were paying $2 for a cheeseburger at McDonald’s and now it’s $4, that’s what people are gonna remember. And the inflation that occurred over this last 4 years was huge, and people cited that over and over and over again.
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So there’s probably 3 buckets you could put this conversation into. There’s the candidate. Kamala Harris was a terrible candidate. She was put in at the last minute, and she was anointed, and she didn’t go through a proper primary. I think that’s probably number 1 in this entire thing.
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It was a terrible candidate.
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You’re saying you’re saying number 1 is the candidate.
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Kamala Number 1 is the candidate. Number 2, I think because remember, Trump was incredibly unpopular as well. And all credit to Trump for winning and running an incredible campaign. I mean, just they they crushed it. On podcasts with JD Vance turned out to be spectacular on podcasts and really delivered the message.
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And, you know, and then number 2 is obviously inflation in the economy. And then I think number 3 is the bucket that Chamath started with, which is the country really, really does not like being told that they’re racist or sexist, etcetera, cancel culture. And you put those three things together. One of the things that’s coming out right now is some of the ads, and we’ll play an ad here.
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I wanted you guys to see this. I think this ad sums up exactly how bad Kamala was, and we’ll combine this ad with just some of the statistics that have come out of how many people have gone right. This is Charlamagne the god from Ram Breakfast Club, for those who don’t know, in a Donald Trump ad.
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What’s taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners? Surgery. For prisoners.
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For prisoners. Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access.
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Hell ai. I don’t want my taxpayer dollars going
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to that.
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Kamala supports transgender sex changes in jail with our money. Kamala even supports letting biological men compete against our girls in their sports. Kamala is for they them. President Trump is for you.
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I’m Donald j Trump, and I approve this message.
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And so how does Kamala come back from this with black voters, with male voters, with people who are tired of having this agenda shoved down their throat? Obviously, it’s gonna be incredibly difficult. Plus, she was in charge of the border, claims she wasn’t. Plus, she was in charge of, you know, and Biden were in charge of the economy when inflation spiked.
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Terrible candidate combined with a bad track record ai with a flawless campaign from Trump. I think easy victory. And, you know, if we pull up this, Feet chart, Nick, that I sent you ahead of tyler. And Ai tweeted this, you know, Americans love winners in innovation, and they hate socialism, and this woke nonsense.
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And if you look at how Trump’s support increased, look at this, Chamath. Every single demographic, black, Asian, Hispanic, 18 to 29, 30 to 34, except 2. White college meh, except for 2. 65 year old plus, very moderately, very modestly went left. And white college women very modestly went left in terms of increasing support.
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Otherwise, a hard shift ai including in some categories. Right. Sai so so the biggest the biggest shift right was in Hispanic and Asian population. Right.
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And these are groups of people, I think, who you you can you can double click on young people, Hispanic and Asians. Asians believe in meritocracy, I think, is what most people have read into that dramatic swing. And Hispanics are anti or more traditional family values, and that’s probably what pushed that so far away.
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But I wanted to just get your take on that chart, Chamath, in relation to your handicapping of the election. And then how much Kamala and how much the inflation played into it.
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I think that there are 3 ways to kind of identify and tell me if you guys think these are the wrong vectors. There’s either the policies, the candidate, and the methods of the campaign. All of it. It’s all 3. Right. That’s how I kinda break down what happened in this election cycle. There’s a a big difference between the candidates as people.
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Some people cannot see past the fact that Kamala did not get any primary vote. Some people cannot see past Yep. The behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter and when he talks to people and how he has talked to people and perceived to be a bully and the felony conviction, and some people cannot get past other factors of those 2 ai, and then some people can get past it.
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I’ve been saying this since ai I’m doing the face, but I’ll I’ll try it again. I think that the mainstream media has been working hand in hand with the Democratic Party to propagate and move forward an agenda that tried to vilify Donald Trump. I did not know that when I initially encountered him in 2015 as a candidate.
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But what you’re supposed to do as an adult is once you start to see a pattern of behavior, you know, this is for the safety, security of your family. This is about how you think about economically taking care of your family. Like, you have to reunderwrite decisions from first principles.
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You must be prepared to change your mind when you see important information. And I have said this till I blew in the face, but I’ll say it again. If I think of all of the people in the political infrastructure of America that I have met and spent time with, From Bill Clinton on, I remember sitting and having dinner with Barack Obama the day of Brexit and getting a note that he read, and he said, oh my gosh, and says, wow.
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The UK just pulled up. I was sitting across from him that dinner. I’ve been with all of these people. The Democrats only come to me to ask me for money. The only politician that has ever called me just to have a conversation, just to say thank you and be kind, the only one has been Donald Trump.
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Isn’t that incredible? Of all of the people, every other person has only ever called and asked me for money. So what does that mean? I think what it means is that there has been a concerted effort to perturb the way that you interpret who he is. Separately, there’s been a concerted effort to prop up whoever is sitting against him in opposition.
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And I think this is an opportunity to finally acknowledge that if you trust these traditional legacy sources of helping you to get to a decision, you’re gonna get tricked. There’s that old saying, you know, fool me once, shame on you. But fool me twice, shame on me because I am now allowing this to happen.
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And I think that for a lot of Americans, that is what happened. I think it is really as simple as that. I think they were able to see through the veneer of an attempt to malign and corner somebody, and on the other side, an attempt to basically play on vibes and feelings and emotions.
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And I don’t think that America wants that. That is not what they want in running the country. They want somebody serious running the country where you can have disagreements with them, and you can still find an opportunity to work together with those people. I think it’s that.
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Sacks, do you do
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you think about how important the policy versus the individual versus the way they ran the campaign, the media, and how they reach people as as kind of 3 vectors? And if so, how would you kinda rank those 3 in importance, and what changed people’s votes and got them to vote differently than they did in the last election?
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Yeah. I think it’s a pretty good framework. I mean, you have the message, you have the messenger, and Ai guess you have the the campaign at a tactical level. I think it’s a little bit unfair to blame this entire defeat on Kamala Harris being a bad messenger or candidate. It’s true, she’s not the greatest candidate, she has a lot of problems. However, I don’t think she was dealt a particularly strong hand.
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The fact of the matter is that we did have rampant inflation in this country that really hurt people in their pocketbooks every time they went to the grocery store, and that resulted from the trillions of spending that was agreed to by virtually the entire democratic party.
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Remember, they not only did they pass trillions in spending, they wanted 4 and a half trillion more for Build Back Better. And the only reason that didn’t happen is because Manchin and Sinema voted against it,
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and Can you imagine how much worse Manchin. Think how much worse inflation would’ve been?
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Manchin was driven into retirement, and Sinema was basically kicked out of the party. She effectively told us that at the all in summit. So this defeat is on the entire democratic party. The democratic party was in support of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s agenda. They were in support of the de facto open border policies. They were in support of the soft on crime Soros, DA decarceral policies.
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You can see that even in California, which is a deep blue state, there’s a huge backlash.
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Huge.
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This sort of insane soft on crime agenda the democrats have. 70% of California voted for prop 36 which basically reversed the excesses of prop 47 which a decade ago basically made shoplifting legal in California. You know who opposed prop 36 despite its massive popularity? Gavin Newsom. Kamala Harris wouldn’t say whether she supported it or not.
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So what you see is that even in blue states, the democratic party elites are completely out of touch with what people sana. And then finally you’ve got foreign policy where I think that the the democratic agenda basically wanting to engage in a proxy war with Vladimir Putin because he’s the incarnation of all evil, that I think is blown up in the collective west face.
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That has been a disaster that was supported by the entire democratic party. So on issue after issue that I think mattered in this election, you cannot just put the blame on Kamala Harris. It’s gotta be on the Democratic party as a whole. And just to echo what Chamas said about the cultural stuff, they’ve talked down to us. They’ve lectured us.
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They’ve insulted us. They’ve censored us. They’ve gaslit us.
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They’ve tried to cancel us.
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They’ve tried to cancel us. They’ve tried to punish dissent with warfare. They turned Elon into an enemy, which was the single worst own goal in history. Remember, this wasn’t just
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And Joe Rogan. Don’t forget. The control went out as well. Bernie supported Joe Rogan.
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But with Elon, it wasn’t just disinviting him or never inviting him to the EV Summit. It goes all the way back to Lorena Gonzalez’s tweet telling him to f off and leave the state of California. Sai, look, the Democratic party as a whole has to own this and they’re not gonna start winning elections again until they have an improvement in their agenda, not just their messenger.
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Sai, Sacks, is this the nature of democracy? That over time, when you have a 2 party system and 1 party veers too far to the left or 1 party veers too far to the right, people jump ship to the other party, and, ultimately, they pull the policies of the party that they left back to the middle.
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And that’s the way democracy is supposed to work and has worked historically. So is this the way it’s supposed to go? And do we project that 4 years from now, the Democrats will need to be and need to adjust to the center, and will see less of this extremism because of the way the voting turned out this this election cycle.
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I think that’s a very interesting question is whether the democrats have the necessary introspection to learn from this loss. I would say that one of them does, if you look at Matt Iglesias, who’s someone I’ve sparred with on Twitter X, who is a democrat partisan, he basically tweeted a list of principles that he thought the democrat party needed to adopt.
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I read it and retweeted it. I said laughing my ass off. This is a list of Republican principles. Yeah. It was all about, you know, opposing woke and being in favor of merit and innovation. Tolerance, policy. Ai. Look. You know what?
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If the Democratic Party wants to adopt these principles, that’s a wonderful thing for the country. I hope that they do it. Okay? But will they do it? I have my doubts. You look at this tweet by Arya Fleischer where he talks about who the Democratic party now is.
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Yeah. I think that this is a really important tweet because it sort of tells you, Sachs, who’s gonna be left in the room. Exactly.
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And if
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if these are the only people left in the room, the last thing they’re gonna do is admit defeat.
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Right. Exactly. So what you see is that the Democratic party base is these very affluent, very overeducated, very non religious types and frankly Ai wonder whether they’re too out of touch to know they’re out of touch. They’re certainly very whiny and entitled and I just don’t think they’re gonna cede control of the party without a ai, and frankly they’ve disappeared so far up their own woke asses that I don’t think they can find an electoral majority if they try.
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Sai, if these people stay in control of the party, and these are the people who you’re seeing having a mental breakdown on TikTok, they’re posting all the videos, they’re insulting the electorate, and let’s face it, it’s not just on TikTok, it’s on the legacy media, it’s on MSDNC, it’s basically the legacy media who are ai to diagnose a psychosis in the American electorate to explain why they were so wrong.
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If those people stay in control, I think that the Republicans could have an electoral majority as far as the eye can see.
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I completely agree with you, and I’ll go even further, which is Ai think that the Democrats will lose one of California or New York in the next 8 years.
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If they don’t attack. Right? That so that’s the key question.
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There’s an attack. If you think that the intelligencia, quote, unquote, the Bill Gates, Reid Hoffmans of the world that funds Dustin Moskovitz, that funds the democratic apparatus at the highest level, if they can’t change, what are the odds that the state infrastructure or the local infrastructure changes?
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I think maybe on the margins, the local infrastructure can change more quickly and adeptly because it just costs a lot less money and it’s much more concentrated. But I think the states are very laggard in that sense. And I think that they take the table scraps of what’s left over.
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So if Let me let me let me If you have the Democrats lead, there is no chance that unless they change the planks of their platform, that the state legislatures in New York and California are gonna change what they believe.
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Nick, pull up the the link I just sent. So let me just underscore an important aspect for you guys on this, which is the amount that the Democrats spent in this campaign. And, obviously, they saw a significant negative return. They lost across the board, senate majority, house majority, governorships, the White House, but they spent more.
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Here, you can see the difference between the Harris campaign and the Trump campaign spending. Harris campaign spent nearly $900,000,000. The Trump campaign, 350,000,000. If you look at the super pacs, the super pacs spent 1,400,000,000 on the Meh ai, roughly, 400,000,000, 450,000,000 on the Republican side.
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And if you scroll down, in some of these key sana races, the Dems far outspent the Republicans and still lost. The Ohio senate race, Sherrod Brown, $58,000,000 of spending. Bernie Moreno, 21,000,000 and Bernie Moreno had a resounding victory. John Tester, 84,000,000 of spending. Tim Sheehy, 22,000,000. Tim Sheehy won the, the election.
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So across the board, the spending was greater. The return was negative.
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Money cannot overcome common sense.
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So my question again is, does this not necessitate attack to the center for the Democrats? They wanna see the party survive. And if they’re gonna continue to lose like this, they will not continue to maintain the same policy agenda that got them into this position in the first place. J.
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Cal, do you think that the Democratic party will need to tack to the center and that they’re gonna start to adjust because of this?
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They they started that process. They knew that going into this election, and they started moving to the center. It was laughable in some cases because you have, like, Kamala talking about providing sex changes for prisoners. And, you know, all of those receipts came out. So even as she started to try to get to the center, people didn’t buy it. So, of course, they’re going to.
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But what’s very interesting about speak there and the genius of Trump is earned media. What’s earned media? When you are trying to get hits in media, you would put them into 2 buckets, paid and earned. What you just showed was paid. Paid is considered what you do if you can’t earn media. All In podcast is an example of earned media. We do this every week. We earned our audience.
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We didn’t pay anybody for this audience. And I think that was, you know, what Trump did, and Jamie Well,
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importantly, someone someone that comes on the show earns that, ai event.
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Correct? The piece of this that I think is so important. You don’t have to pay to go on Joe Rogan. But the candidate that the Democrats put out there was so bad that she could not even and I think Sachs is, you know, master at setting people up here. The the Democrats put up a horrible, horrible candidate. And I know Sachs is saying, oh, it’s not Kamala’s fault.
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Kamala could not go on Joe Rogan because they knew that it would be so embarrassing and that she would get so embarrassed that it would lose her votes. His doom loop, you know, observation from, I don’t know, 8 weeks ago you had that, Sachs, was exactly correct. The more she spoke, the more she started going down.
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She was leading Trump at one point on Poly Arya in some of these places, and she absolutely proved that she could not communicate well. And so and I just wanna just circle back to the point about inflation. Here’s the McDonald price increases that I was mentioning before. End of 2019, you could buy a McChicken for a buck ai. And in mid 2024, it was $3.89.
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The majority of Americans wind up going to Taco Bell McDonald’s every week. Some cases, multiple times a week. You cannot discount exactly how profound this cost of eating food and buying groceries had on this election. It is the number one issue, I think, this election. We can talk in our bubble about it,
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but this is
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what about inflation.
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This is what I mean by a return to normalcy. These are normal people problems. How much does it cost to put food on the table? Exactly. How much does it cost to drive from point a to point b? I wanna send my kid to a school where they go and they learn the a, b, c’s and the 1, 2, threes because they’re gonna have to graduate and compete with India and China.
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I don’t wanna worry about indoctrination and all this other stuff. Absolutely.
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Yeah. So look. I I did predict the doom loop for Kamala Harris 2 months ago because she is just not good at interviews or being off the cuff or being unscripted.
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Not good is generous. Yeah.
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Saxton Davis was right about that.
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Absolutely.
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However and I would say the biggest problem in her campaign is that she would neither defend the Biden Harris record nor say what she would do differently. The question you have to ask is ai? And I think it’s because she was in a really tough position that her own party put her in, which is they said, you can’t criticize Joe Biden
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Yep.
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Because he’s the sitting president, but at the same time you can’t defend him either because he’s so unpopular. Well, what made him unpopular? Democratic party policies. They should’ve frankly, looking back, they should’ve just let Joe Biden defend his own record. The old man must’ve been in the White House gnashing his teeth, saying, please put me in the game, let me defend my own record.
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He at least believed in it. The Democrats wouldn’t defend their own record because it was so bad. You have to put some blame for that, not just on Kamala, but on the entire party. That’s my only point.
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Well and
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Sacks, it’s so obvious that the technique they used to defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic 4 years was, hey. Do you want normalcy?
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And then What technique is that? 15,000,000 votes?
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What wait. What’s that? I I didn’t hear the the joke.
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I sai, what what tactic was that 15,000,000 extra votes?
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Oh, you’re please don’t start with the conspiracy theories.
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Well, I’m so sorry. We’re really gonna say this has
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to be a conspiracy theory now.
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Well I
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mean, you share your knowledge. Is the chart from?
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Who’s the chart from? What’s the probability of the chart?
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Just just so you know, the y axis starts at 50,000,000. So don’t be, you know, like, a little too crazy. Like, they they mailed out Hold on.
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Hold on. Hold on. This rabbit hole. Let me just finish my point. Then you guys can go to conspiracy corner and say the election was stolen. The point I’m making here is, obviously, Biden ran a very successful campaign against Trump based on vibes and based on his creating chaos in the country and most people’s mind and this return to normalcy.
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So that did work for them previously. It just didn’t work this time because they had to defend their record on the border. They needed to defend their record on the economy, and Sachs is exactly right. They didn’t touch that. And how do you not talk about their own record?
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And their record had some good bright spots to it. Record low unemployment, record high stock market, and we tamed inflation. And they could have had a really great discussion about inflation and just said, hey. Listen. Both of the last two terms, there was a lot of spending, and so inflation manifested during the last 4 years. And, hey. We tamed it. So here we are.
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We still have record low unemployment. We still have a record high stock arya, and we tamed inflation. Things are gonna get better. But she couldn’t even communicate that. I can communicate that better than the presidential candidate?
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Come on.
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She could’ve easily done that.
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Freebert, let me just go back to your point about the money. It is true that the democrats had roughly 3 times as much money as the republicans did. The democrats had something like $1,000,000,000 for this campaign. The republicans had
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3 100% of the campaign.
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For the presidential campaign. Exactly. The republicans obviously still won in a landslide.
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I’m sorry. That excludes the that excludes the super pacs, which had additional funding that were going towards supporting the nominee as well.
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Fair enough. My point is just the democrats had a massive advantage on the money side. They also, also, I think, had a massive advantage on what you would call the legacy media side. I mean, I don’t know how you put a value, a dollar value on what the legacy media has done, not just in this election cycle, but for the last 8 or 9 years, they have basically called Donald Trump a Nazi, a fascist, a traitor, a
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Did it work or did it blow up in their faces?
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To get to that.
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A traitor blew
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up in their faces.
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They called him an agent of Putin, they called him an insurrectionist, they called him a convicted felon, they called him a convicted felon. They called him a dictator. They’ve been yelling that at the top of their lungs now for Yeah. At least 4 years. The country didn’t believe it.
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I would just say that the legacy media speak is broken. Their credibility has been destroyed. And I think that the repudiation of the legacy media is one of the most important results of this election. It just shows that the Democrats had, I don’t know how you valued, a $1,000,000,000,000 propaganda machine on their side and Trump was still able to win.
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And you have to, at the end of the day, say that that’s a result not just of alternative media gaining steam and free speech on X, I think those were absolutely necessary enablers, it’s also the fact that Trump has a $1,000,000,000,000 personality and is a tremendously gifted communicator sana politician and in his own unique way.
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Jesus. But
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then, but finally you have to say that the issues are on Trump’s side. Americans want the border to be sealed. They see that the spending and the bureaucracy in Washington are out of control. They do not want woke cancel culture anymore. They see America getting over involved in foreign wars. They want the spending to be brought back home where it benefits them.
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These are the key points of the Trump agenda, and at the end of the day, whatever you wanna say about Trump, he ran a campaign based on issues, he talked about issues. What did Kamala Harris run her campaign on? Vibes. Vibes, celebrity endorsements, name calling last time. Debunked hoaxes.
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I just wanna go around the horn real quick and ask each of you guys once again. I’m gonna ask you one more question after this. What mattered most? Was it the policy Sachs as you’re proclaiming is what a lot of people voted on? Was it the issues with the candidate, the individual?
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Or was it the media or the the campaign tactics? Are those 3 what what mattered most do you think in terms of moving votes? What moved the most votes?
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I don’t think you can separate the man from the message or the messenger from the message.
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K.
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Listen, if you had a conventional Republican out there, I don’t think that they could have overcome the $1,000,000,000,000 propaganda machine shah The
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2 go hand in hand.
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Of the legacy media. That being said, I think if Donald Trump had been campaigning with Mitt Romney’s message or Mitch McConnell’s message, I don’t think he would’ve gone anywhere. I don’t even think he would’ve been the Republican nominee. You have to say that Trump, since 2016, has tapped into something very deep in the American electorate.
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And, you know, this is something we can get into, but I think that if you look back now over the last 10 years, it’s clear that he’s the transformational figure in American politics. It’s not Barack Obama with all due respect.
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Jake, Cal, your turn. The policies yeah. The individual or the campaign tactics.
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It’s very clearly this had to do, you know, primarily with Kamala. It is the candidate and how she is selected. Yeah. I mean, obviously, if you had As
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it’s interesting it’s interesting for you to say that as a meh. Right? Because I think that may have chased a lot
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of people.
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I’m a moderate. I’m not a dem. Moderately. But ai have
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I’ve I’ve voted republican 1 third of the time. Maybe even a little bit more recently.
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But 2 thirds 2 thirds you voted meh. So you were open to that And she I’m
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a little
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bit moderate. I mean, I’ve been very clear about that. My record’s been very clear about that. It is clear that it was her because I will say if you had put up Friedberg, and I think it’s great that you’re forcing us to pick 1 of the 3, And it’s a hard thing to do. But if you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro, I think they would have beat Trump very easily. Or because remember, Trump was phenomenally unpopular.
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And I think the big question that’s gonna come out of this is how did Elon do getting young men and how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours do at getting young men to come out and vote? That’s something we haven’t talked about meh, and I feel like that could be the one thing that comes out of this election over the coming years that we look at that’ll be the sustainable change is that young men are now voting and they wanna vote for something very different than white women or old people.
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And Chamath, what is your read on what mattered most? Do you have one of those 3? How would you wait?
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Pieta, what’s
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the most? I think
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the policies of the Democratic party are fundamentally broken. They’ve become the exact opposite of where they were even 20 years ago. So the Democrats used to be the protector of free speech. Now they are pro censorship. The Republicans are free speech. The Democrats used to be all about anti war.
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Now they are more likely to get mangled into all of these foreign misadventures in partnership with the military industrial complex, whereas the Republicans have been a bullwhip to war.
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And they embrace the Chinese. Ultimate proof of that.
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Oh my gosh. I mean, that was the scariest and oddest turn of events. So I think that what happened is the policies, they just lost their way. Now the question is, was it purposeful or was it by accident? And I think that belies the bigger question, which is just the people in charge of the Democratic Party, I think to Vatsal point, do they even have a sense of that they have to change, or are they just so now fundamentally out of touch and they just believe what they believe so ferociously, they’re gonna have to go through maybe 3 or 4 or 5 more elections of just getting totally trounced in order to learn the lesson.
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Okay. I’ll I’ll, I’ll wear my McLaughlin hat and say, Chamath, right answer. Now my next my next question back to you, Chamath, is I’ve had a lot of conversations in the last few days, with good friends, with people I’m close with, with family and so on. Hold on, Freeberg. What do you
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think before you ask the next question?
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I think policy matter, but but here’s the the the stumbling block. If you talk to anyone that did not vote that that did not vote for Trump and voted for Kamala Harris that is, you know, kind of reasonable people or or what you know, I don’t I don’t wanna kind of classify people, but people that you would normally have decent long form conversations with, and you start talking about specific policy issues with them.
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The conversation keeps coming back to trump the person. In my experience, People can’t see past a person who is a, quote, convicted felon as they claim, who is taking away women’s rights, who is a bully, who is mean. A lot of this is influenced by his past behavior and things he said and the way he’s said things and done things on Twitter.
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We can we can proclaim that there was a lot of misrepresentation about Trump in the in the legacy media, but there were a lot of tweets that Trump put out that were off putting to a lot of people. So I want you, Chamath, to speak to the many individuals out there who are good people, who feel disenfranchised, who are not, like, the the funny people you can make fun of on Libs of TikTok or what have you.
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But just everyday normal people that sai, I really don’t trust the guy. I really don’t believe that this is a good person. And I think that the policies make more sense. I agree with a lot of the policy issues, but, frankly, the guy doesn’t seem like the right guy for me. How do you ai break through? Is that possible?
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And can you speak to that person to help them kind of see past the individual to the policies and have trust and faith that this individual can actually shepherd this nation forward?
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There are so many very powerful examples of how the media colluded with the Democratic Party to fundamentally lie about things that actually happened when it relates to Donald Trump. One of the most simple and powerful was the lie about Charlottesville. When I process Charlottesville, I’m probably one of those people, David, that you talk about.
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I was just so scared and angry, and I took at face value what the media said that Donald Trump said. And then I was really angry at Donald Trump until I saw the footage and saw that it was just a complete lie. And that is just an incredible shirking of responsibility that the media has undertaken. The deviousness, the dishonesty, it’s really bad. And that’s where I said I have to stop.
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As a grown up rational man, as the head of my family, I need to reunderwrite where I’m coming from. Well, head of my family with Nat when she lets me be, but, anyways, she’s pretty close to that family.
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Say you
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gotta be
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honest. I can
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feel her I saw it. She’s on it. We can do that. The bad thing
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you got
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to listen to. I can see it. That one line will come back to haunt me. Keep that line in Nick, I am the head of my family. Okay, anyways, guys, sorry.
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I’m just gonna head. Let’s get back on. Okay, go back,
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go back, go back, go back.
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But but the thing is, like, I started to re underwrite, and I do that every day in my day job. I’m running a company. Is 80, 90 going well or not well? It depends on the conditions on the ground. When things are going well, I need to do more of those things. When things are not going well, I need to reunderwrite. Is it something that I’m in control of? Is it something that I’ve missed? How do I change it?
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How do I get my team to be better? I live it every day. In investing, it’s the same thing. You know, there was periods where I was on top of the world and everything was working. Then there were waves where things were not working, but I still had to show up and do my job well.
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As it’s turning out, in those darkest hours was when I probably have made some of my absolute best new investments. That would not have happened if I did not keep my feet on the ground and constantly reunderwrite and try to challenge my biases. There are so many examples that have happened to Trump that when you actually unpack them, there was a concerted effort to ai.
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And that is why it’s important for folks to be able to suspend that judgment. The second thing I would say is then you saw 4 years of the man in office. And if you actually separate the interpretation by the media who frankly just hate him with what he actually did, you take a step back and you’re like, meh, these accomplishments were incredible.
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For example, let’s look at what happened with the Abraham Accords. We have never been closer to substantial and sustained peace in the Middle East. In any era of government under any president than we were when Jared Kushner, on behalf of Donald Trump, negotiated those agreements.
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And look how far we have slipped since then. And all of that happened as a result of the incoming government wanting to undo what was so logically right in the first place. And part of that was to feed a media cycle. So, again, I just go back to David, all of these normal people, and I know a lot of them as well.
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Speak to them. Yeah. Like, I mean, I think what yeah.
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You guys need to just take a step back and take a beat and just think about something for a second. How do so many normal, high functioning, well intended people switch sides? How did that happen?
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Now, Jay Cal, let me ask you the flip side of the coin. You have expressed publicly recently, even on a podcast yesterday with Sachs in vigorous debate on the show many times, reservations about Trump and the character of Trump. Yeah. How do you feel you you obviously align with the policies that he’s highlighted and indicated.
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You’ve you’ve said
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so. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Do you see past the person, or do you still have a a strong degree of reservation about the individual? And do you see that playing out in your cohort, friends, family, what have you, that there’s strong reservation because of the character? Yeah.
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Ai. It’s a great question. You know? I think the thing we have to do now is come together as a country. He’s the president. It’s great that it was not a debatable election and we’re not gonna have riots at the Capitol and people beating up police officers. And now it’s time to actually look at what Trump sai. And then we will grade him on what he actually gets done.
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And, you know, if he is able to hang out with the cohort of Elon and Chamath and Sachs and JD Vance, I feel a lot better about it. Now there’s a lot of people speculating he will turn on Chamath. He will turn on Sachs. He will turn on Elon. And that relationship will end in the next year or 2. That’s what I’m looking at. Will Trump actually do the things he says he’s gonna do?
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And what did he say he was gonna do? Well, he’s not gonna have a a national abortion meh. He’s not gonna have kick people out who get college degrees here. Meh, he said on the show, he’s gonna staple the green card to it. And but then there’s other and he said he’s gonna end the Ukraine the war in Ukraine on day 1.
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So let’s make a list of all the things he promised. And like anybody else, let’s judge him based on what he gets done. Now some of the things he promised, like the mass deportation of 15,000,000 people, I think a lot of people even on this podcast probably don’t agree with.
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I don’t think anybody here wants to see 15,000,000 people who came here to have a better life and who are working hard and who are productive members of our society literally get dragged out of here. The the 500,000 that are criminals or a million? Sure. Nobody wants to see them meh a free pass here.
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But, you know, there’s gonna be some of the items on his agenda that are gonna be very uncomfortable to see executed, and some of them would be amazing in miracles. If he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine war is settled, fantastic. If he starts dragging a 1000000 people every, you know, 2 or 3 months out of the country, that could be absolutely disastrous and incredibly hard to watch happen in America.
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So we gotta judge him based on his actions. That’s great. Let’s give him the support he needs. And I really hope you know, the thing that gives me hope is the fact that Sachs, Chamath, Elon, and JD Vance are by his side.
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So I’m gonna move on to the rest of the election, the other races. So so the presidency, we’ve talked about let’s talk about the house and the sana vatsal. In the house, there’s 37 races that have yet to be called, but it looks like the Republicans need about 12 more to be called to have a majority.
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It seems very likely. I mean, according according to Poly Arya, it’s 99% that the Republicans will have the majority in the house. The Republicans have control of the senate, and Trump is in the White House. What are the top policy items that the republicans will pursue with this degree of legislative and executive control? What’s number 1, 2, 3 on the list? What’s top priority?
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And how are they kind of getting together to figure out what and how to execute those items in the in the weeks months after, January 20th?
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Well, so first of all, I think the senate majority matters a lot in terms of Trump getting the appointments that he wants. Because if he was just at 51, let’s call it, it would be quite hard. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski tend to be very, very moderate, Republicans and would oppose, I think, a lot of conservative appointments.
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Trump’s already at 53 senators and there’s 2 more that are still up for grabs and waiting to be counted, so you might get to 54 in the next week or so. It just means he’s gonna have a freer range on appointments. I think that’d be really good for for, Bobby Kennedy. I think it might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy confirmed for a major cabinet post with 51, with 53 or 54, I think we meh there.
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I think that’s a really great thing for the country. There’s other appointments in a similar vein that I think would be easier for for Trump to get through. In terms of the rest of the agenda, I mean, Trump clearly does wanna end the war in Ukraine. Is he gonna be able to do it on day 1?
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No. I mean, I don’t think that’s realistic because frankly the Ukrainians are not willing to make the concessions meh, they’re not in a place where they’re willing to make a deal. I still think that what Trump was saying during the campaign, if you look at it as expression of his motivations and where his sentiments are coming from, they were good sentiments.
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But if he can’t solve it on day 1 because Ukrainians don’t wanna make a deal, I can’t really fault him for that, but I think he’ll try. I think that on Doge there’s clearly a strong desire of many in the Republican party and Elon and the people that Elon brought with him for major government reform.
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Much more efficiency, much less spending. I think that we have to get as much of that passed as possible in the first certainly in the 1st year.
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There’s a necessity for legislative action to get all the cuts in, federal spending that they’re looking to cut. Is that right, Sachs? So if if Elon’s objective is cutting a $1,000,000,000 There
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there there might be some things you can just do through executive orders, and they should do as much as they can. But I think you do need some congressional action as well. This is an area where it’s just gonna be really hard because spending is a bipartisan problem and it’s gonna be really hard to jam through the type of deep reform that we really should have at the federal level, but I think that now there’s a shot because Trump does have majorities in the house and senate that he can at least get something through.
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So at least we have a shot at getting something done there. Are we gonna get 2,000,000,000,000 in cuts like Elon wants? I would love that. I doubt you’re gonna be able to pass that through Congress, but do you start with that number and then work your way down to a number that you can get both parties to support?
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Maybe that’s possible, hopefully.
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I would’ve started I would’ve started with 3 then,
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both down to 2,
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but, I mean, that’s just my that’s just my tactic, but whatever.
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But I think reforming the bureaucracy is just such a huge theme coming out of this election, And we just have to figure out how to get that done and
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the mandate.
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We have the mandate. That’s Trump’s mandate.
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And the the federal government is such a large sprawling it is the largest organization on Earth except for maybe the CCP. And in that sense, you really have to have leverage in leadership to be able to realize that degree of action at that scale. So the cabinet positions matter a lot to realize that agenda. Is that is that fair to say, Chamath?
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And, you know, maybe we can talk a little bit about who are the the folks in the orbit of Donald Trump and the transition team that are being considered for different cabinet posts and, you know, as an ai or as a, a let’s call you a theoretical adviser, to the transition team, what are the kinda key posts that matter to you?
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How would you kind of advise them who to look for that could really realize the outcome that the mandate is dictating.
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Well, I I have no influence on this process, so I’m just totally spitballing. But
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Right.
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People who I think are who I think are excellent, I’m gonna put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of the list. I think that Bobby has an opportunity to allow the transparency of information that will allow folks to keep doing what we’ve done or to change course in a way that right now I think is a little bit more difficult than it needs to be.
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I think Vivek Ramaswami is indefatigable. I think he’s a you know, if you remember back to the Republican primaries, there’s only one person that did not attack Donald Trump, and it was Vivek. I think he, believed in what Donald Trump was doing and was willing to sort of embrace and extend this idea. So I think he’d be a really good proxy.
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I don’t know what role that looks like, but I just think that he would be exceptional.
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There’s some rumors that he’s gonna run for governor of Ohio, but he would be amazing, the federal government. Chelsea Gabbard. We gotta get Chelsea in there.
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Yeah. Yeah. I just just to go through the ai, I think Chelsea Gabbard is so awesome.
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For what role? What would you put her in?
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You You know, I think
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is is veteran affairs.
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Yeah. Veterans affairs, I think.
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But, you know, hopefully, it’s at least that.
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Yeah. That’s a cabinet position. Right? Just to go to
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You know, there’s another race that’s going on that’s really below the surface, but is extremely important and that is the new senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell.
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Leader. Yeah.
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Mitch McConnell says he’s stepping aside. There’s 2 major candidates
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Thune versus Mike Lee.
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Yeah. Well, it’s it’s it’s John Thune versus Cornyn from Texas, and Mike Lee has been sort of agitating, it’s not clear that Mike Lee will throw his hat in the ring. If he did, I would be all in favor of it. If Mike Lee, who is from Utah, doesn’t, we should really go with whoever he recommends.
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I really trust that Mike Lee will represent the MAGA agenda whereas quite frankly, the other candidates will be a continuation of Mitch, and this is Trump’s moment to weigh in on that. He’s basking in the glow right now. He is in the winner’s circle. He can get anything through the republican caucus, and I think that he could weigh in right now in the senate majority race and make sure the right person gets it.
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If you get a continuation of Mitch McConnell, you will not get real reform through the senate. Look at what happened during Trump won. Mitch McConnell was one of Trump’s biggest opponents. So there would be alternatives, but I think Trump would have to step in and act. There’s some talk about Rick Scott from Florida being a candidate. I think he’d be very good if he’s still in the race.
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Or just go right over the top and go with a Mike Lee. This is your moment to basically put in a loyalist.
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And then the big cabinet positions that are left, I think defense, probably somebody like Rick Grenell, who’s already worked for Trump and was the DNI right at the end, I think. And then in treasury, it’s the you know, I think people say it’s between Scott Bessent and John Paulson. I’m not so sure. I don’t know.
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If I have governor, I think it’s, like, probably Haskell, but then, you know, I saw, like,
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Kevin Morrison’s name. Jerome Powell this morning said he would not step aside if asked to resign by Donald Trump.
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No. He’s got 2 more years. So I just
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He’s got he’s got until 26. He’s got until mid 26. So, you know, I mean
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The ram I don’t wanna say too much, but I think this is pretty much out there. I think Renaud wants state, not defense. I think that it’s not to say he’s gonna get it. I don’t know. But that’s been out there for a long time. I think that what a lot of people in, let’s call it the MAGA movement, the America First movement are gonna be looking at very closely is do neocons worm their way into this administration?
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Look at what happened during Trump 1, he ran in opposition to forever wars, I think was a major part of his speak, it’s what allowed him to shatter the Bush dynasty, it’s what I think really hurt Kamala in terms of having the Chinese embrace her, so it’s a major part of his, I’d say, not just appeal, but also his legacy that he will not continue forever wars, but the problem is that the blob keeps infiltrating the Trump administration, or they did, they infiltrated Trump 1 by putting in John Bolton and Esper and all these guys who frankly betrayed Trump.
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Totally.
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And so I
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think a
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lot of people are looking closely at will neocons be able to worm their way into this administration, and if they do, it’s a very, it would be very, very sad, I think.
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The difference this time around, which is so incredible, is that you’re now seeing on x people asking all the neocons to be named and shamed, and they’re creating these lists so that they can’t worm their way in. It’s the most incredible thing I’ve ever seen where have you espoused those views in the past?
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If so, the likelihood that somebody will raise an alarm bell now on the so that you can’t get near this administration, I’ve never seen anything like that before actually.
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Yeah. And you know what? Here’s the great danger is you look at the last few months. Okay? Who was there for Trump? It was people like Elon. It was basically, you know, all of us who worked and, look, I’m a very ai, minor figure, but I did my little part and there were a lot of other people on the ground doing their thing, but where is Elon today?
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Elon had to fly home for a Tesla board meeting, he’s got real companies to run. And who all of a sudden shows up in Meh a Lago? The swamp creatures. They were nowhere to be found for the last 3 months. Now the swamp creatures come crawling out, and they’re gonna be swarming Mar a Lago and trying to worm their way to the administration.
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And that’s that’s the the issue is we gotta keep you know, this is where I hope that all the MAGA influencers stay frosty and stay involved. We have to consolidate this victory and get reform type people in the administration, not just the usual type people from Washington.
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Would you serve if asked?
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No. I
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mean, I’ve Ai it.
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Like I’ve already said before, I’m the key man at Ram, I can’t do that. But, you know, look, I would do something part time, meaning if it wasn’t a full time job, if I didn’t have to leave my current job, if it was just serving on some advisory committee or something that that was compatible with my current job, I would do that.
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That’s a no brainer. I would love to do that. You, too. Absolutely. If and not full time because I’m running a company, but Yeah. If there was the opportunity to help basically
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Just put me on the Doge community, Sachs, if you wouldn’t mind. I just wanna go, like, line item by line item in 1 afternoon, and I’m out of there. Like, I’m just gonna go and cut
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Elon did say this today, but he said the a team are running companies. We’re all we’re all running companies. But if asked to serve, especially in a part time capacity where you don’t have to divest everything you own and you can actually just go and call bull and actually just make sure good decisions get made, it would be an honor to serve in that capacity.
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Yeah. I think everybody should have given a chance. I wanna say one thing just to build on stats.
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Yeah. And then I wanna ask you one more question, Chamath. Go ahead. I do
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wanna give a shout out to Elon. And in one very specific way, you know, you’ve heard all these stories where he gets obsessed about something, and then he focuses on it at the sake of everything else and strips it down and gets to first principles, rebuilds it back up, and it works.
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And as far as I can tell, basically, when he decided that this election was going to come down to Pennsylvania on one hand and young men on the other, He just kept doing that one thing over and over and over again. Every time you turned on x, he was doing a rally.
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Crazy.
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He was speaking to the residents of Pennsylvania and or It’s
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been, like, 2 weeks ago.
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Young disaffected voters and getting them out. And then his Speak built an infrastructure that rivaled the democratic infrastructure in terms of get out the vote and transportation with a lot less money and only in a month or 2. This is incredible.
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Well, and then the sweepstakes was also a really good idea. It’s really, really incredible. There was a lot of controversy around the sweepstakes idea. I don’t know why that was so controversial because if you think
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about the media trying to make an issue that was a nothing burger a burger.
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Yeah. And so they you know, I think this
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was dismissed on its face because if any person spent 8 seconds understanding the law, the the the judge dismissed it within an hour.
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So, you know, if we look at that $1,000,000 sweepstakes to sign up for his pack, if you think about how people normally get people to sign up, they’re paying a dollar a click, probably $50 a click, whatever it is, using giving money to ABC or giving money to Facebook. And he just said, hey. I’ll just do a sweepstakes. Sign up for this, and then I have you in the database, and then I can market it to you.
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There’s no difference between giving away a $1,000,000 sweepstakes or buying a bunch of ads and paying by click. And for everybody to frame that as he’s buying votes when it was so clear he wasn’t, I think that’s the kind of media manipulation people are getting savvy to and does not work anymore.
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It was very clear. It was just a sweepstakes to sign up for his pack. No different than paying $10 a click to Facebook.
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When the legal infrastructure of America dismisses a case on its face within 30 minutes of it being heard Yes. It means it is a farce. Yeah.
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I mean, look, I think what Elon showed is that a smart person can come in who who basically, like you said, can go into demon mode, who has a start up or innovation mentality, is willing to spend money but wants to do it smartly, but is really hardcore, can come in and beat the supposed professionals their own game. I think one of the big stories that’s gonna come out, there’s already some tea being speak within democratic circles about Jen O’Malley Dillon, who was the campaign manager that Ai Harris inherited from Biden.
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She had a $1,000,000,000 to
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spend. $1,000,000,000.
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The campaign still ended $20,000,000 in debt.
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In debt.
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And this, at least, has been reported.
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Where’d the money go?
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Sai, well, I’ll tell you, the money went to expensive consultants. They did overly elaborate staged events. They did these, like, fake concerts, celebrity cameos. Supposedly, they paid Beyonce $10,000,000 and they didn’t even get a song out of it, and that ended up, you know, pissing people off.
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She got paid. They were
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paying celebrities to share.
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I don’t know if that’s true. I just read it in a tweet, so I I can’t say for sure, but that’s what I read. Yeah. Sounds cool. Who knows? It sounds it sounds suspect, but the point is they spent a lot of money on the consultants and, you know, the events. And Elon went after the Amish.
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You know? That’s, like, a lot smarter.
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The person on the Democratic side where I feel the most disappointment after all of this is Barack Obama. I think he, in the period when he was elected, to meh, was just transcendent. And I thought that this is a person that really was immune to getting assimilated into the board.
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And I don’t know why I thought that, but I did think that. And I was just so saddened to see the tone and the rhetoric from Barack Obama during this last homestretch. It, I think, was reputationally very damaging to him.
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And I think that
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that offended you? It was less about
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a it didn’t offend me. It was just observing Or disappointed you. The when the rhetoric was, you know, trying to propagate these lies, the very fine people hoax, all of these things, I just thought he’s so much smarter than this.
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The abortion ban. The abortion ban.
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He knows that these things are not true. Why is he saying objective lies? I don’t really judge politicians for doing it in general, but I never considered him a politician. I sort of considered him here, just like this echelon above. And I and I was I was really disappointed that he chose to go down that path.
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Yeah. Well, I I I could definitely add to that. I mean, look, I think Obama’s whole mystique was that he transcended politics and he tried to maintain that position of being above the fray and let the grubby business of politics be beneath him. And even during the whole coup against Biden, I mean, they say that Obama signed off.
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He was basically in favor of the the switcheroo to Harris, but he was the last person to endorse it, right? He did not wanna be seen as doing the dirty work that was left to Nancy Pelosi, but there’s no question that the switcheroo, I think, was was backed by Obama. And then he did everything he could to problem Harris, including using the very fine people hoax, telling these lies. And I I agree, Chamath.
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I think that he has diminished himself. He’s brought himself now down to the level of politics.
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Level of an average politician. Right.
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I think probably you’re disappointed because you had such a high benchmark for him, but we were just talking about Trump saying he would end the war on day 1. He said that he’s gonna deport 15,000,000 people. And, you know, all these politicians lie. So I think my closing statement on all of this is y’all were a key part in putting Trump in, obviously.
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And if he starts behaving in the way he behaved during his first term, the darker things he did. I hope that y’all will call him on it and publicly call him on it and that he will steer towards, you know, his better angels. And that’s my hope for America ram my hope for all of you who helped put him in office and played a very significant role in getting him here.
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When he does something crazy, if he does try to drag 15,000,000 people out of the country, is that okay with you, Sachs?
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Well, you said that he would start with a 1000000 of people, 500,000 to a 1000000 who are clear criminals. He should do that. Well, that JD
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Vance said it. We all agree.
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Yeah. JD said that the way you deport
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What about the other 14?
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He said that the way that you do deportations is the same way you eat an elephant. You do it one bite at a time.
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A sandwich.
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You eat a sandwich. So Yeah. The way you eat an elephant is you do it one bite at a time. Let’s start with the biggest criminals, the biggest people who shouldn’t be here, and then let’s see what happens after that. And look
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If he went here to say 14,000,000, what would you would you be in support of that?
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We haven’t gotten there yet. The point is you take the first bite of the sandwich, then you talk about the second ai. But there was a line from the 2016 election about Trump that I think was attributed to Peter Thiel, which is very important, which is that Ram should be taken seriously, but not literally.
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Sometimes when he expresses a policy or a point of view, he sells it. So when he says, I’m gonna end the Ukraine war on day 1, does that mean he’s literally gonna do it on day 1? No. What it means is he’s gonna try really hard to end the Ukraine war. If he does it on day 365 of his presidency instead of day 1, am I not gonna come out and say he lied and didn’t do what he said?
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No, I’m gonna say he got the job done. He did what he said he was gonna do. So I think it’s very important to judge him in that way. When he says Ai gonna deport 15,000,000 people, do I expect him to do all 15,000,000? Not necessarily, but if he closes the border, builds the wall, seals it so it’s no longer a problem, and deports 500,000 to a 1000000 hardcore criminals out of this country, I’m gonna say that was a massive success.
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And you know what’s gonna happen? The legacy media is gonna say, well, he lied because he didn’t deport the other 14,200,000. Come on.
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No. I understand. He doesn’t understand.
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He doesn’t understand. The difference between campaigning and governing.
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I agree with all that, and I do think if he does try to do the 14,000,000, that’s the thing I have concerns about.
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Got it. Okay. Freyberg, over to you. So let’s talk about the cabinet positions. Chamath, a guy like RFK Junior has never held an executive position before. You and others on this panel, Sachs, Jay Kal, and myself, we’ve all kind of managed large groups of people. We’ve all been in positions of being a CEO of a business.
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You talk a lot about bringing in the outsiders, and the Trump campaign talks a lot about bringing these outsider sacks. Begrudgingly highlights the swamp creatures emerging to ask for those slots in those positions because they are lifelong politicians and bureaucrats. How do we have trust and faith, or do you think that that’s the whole point is that you have folks that don’t have the experience to run these organizations, that don’t have the insights on who actually works there, on how they operate, and them coming in is gonna provide enough of a fresh perspective and things up enough that that’s exactly the point.
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And, like, talk a little bit about bringing in outsiders, but outsiders that can be effective in transforming these government agencies, not just blowing them up. Or is the goal to blow them up?
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No. Again, I would I would just temper and tone down that rhetoric. There’s not nobody’s blowing up anything. But I think step 1 is going to be a level of transparency so that doing the obvious becomes obvious. And I think that if you look back over 40 or 50 years, what has happened is that secretaries and political appointments have gone from get the best person in the job because they know it to here’s political payola, if you will.
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And I think the pendulum has swung to too far of an extreme. That’s why the swamp people are able to maintain control because the person above them who’s appointed doesn’t fundamentally know the inner workings of the organization. I suspect what you’re going to see is a radical push to transparency.
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And I think that when you combine transparency and Sacks called for this, a version of the Twitter files for the government. I do think you’re gonna see that. But if you combine that push to transparency with a handful of topics, you know, by the way, we introduced a long time ago, this idea of 0 based budgeting into the lexicon and language of these political candidates that they used all the way through to the finish ai.
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I do believe the Republicans earnestly mean it. And so I think when you put these two things together, Freeburg, I think what you will have is all of this laid bare, and then I think it’ll start a debate on what to do. And I think the the decisions about what to do will be so blindingly obvious. The low hanging fruit will save this country once we pluck it.
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Can I can I just say a word about I I think it’s so important for Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed in whatever cabinet position that he’s gonna get? Number 1, we look back at the campaign now and it seems obvious that Trump was gonna win it, but at the time that Bobby Kennedy came on board, that was a major factor in shifting momentum towards Ram.
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So that’s number 1. Number 2, we need to keep Bobby Kennedy’s coalition as part of our movement. It’s not just about what he did in this last election, it’s keeping all of those people, those young people and those former Democrats on ai and part of the Republican party and the MAGA movement.
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And number 3, he’s genuinely gonna reform that huge part of the bureaucracy and that’s extremely important and we need outsiders to come in and shake things up. He’s right about the regulatory capture, he’s right about the marriage of state power and corporate greed. Let’s have someone go in there who’s got fresh ai, but also understands how the bureaucracy works because he’s litigated and shake things up.
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If you look at what Bobby posted to Instagram, Nick, I don’t know if you can find it, but it was pretty telling on this dimension of the first inning is going to be about absolute radical transparency and sharing with the American people everything that’s been that’s been under the covers. By the way, it’s not just on that dimension. Right? We’re gonna see the Epstein files. We’re gonna see the Diddy lists. We’re gonna see the JFK file.
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I know that these things are sort of fringe conspiracy theory type things for some people. But the point is ram pillar to post, that first phase of this radical truth seeking transparency is an incredible disinfectant that you can build from. And he told the FDA, I think, something to the effect of pack your bags and keep your records.
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Now let’s let’s take the hyperbolic part of it out, but it’s the keep your records part that should be valuable because we deserve to have answers. Now when you think at the same time that you have inventions like AI that can crunch every single piece of data under the sun and tell you the absolute truth, imagine when you put transparency and the government sharing incredible amounts of information with the compute power that the Googles and the Facebooks and the and the Ai of the world are creating.
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You’ll know these answers to all of these questions. Vaccines, are they good or bad? When? How? Fluoride, is it good or bad? When? How?
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All of these drugs that have been approved, why? All of these drugs that have not been approved, why? You’re gonna start to see some really interesting things. Has there been research on the impacts of food on physiology? Were they suppressed? Were they not suppressed?
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So I think phase 1 is get it all out into the open.
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Totally. And and what I what I sai, just what what Shamath referred to is, yeah, I sai, we should do a a Twitter files for the whole federal government. Just what I meant by that is remember before Elon bought Twitter, they told us for years that the idea that Twitter was shadow baiting conservatives and engaging in censorship was a conspiracy theory.
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Then Elon opened up the Twitter files, and we saw that it was all true, and moreover, that the government was engaged in censorship. They had been working hand in glove with the trust and safety department.
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The
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FBI had logins. They could just go in themselves. I mean, it was crazy.
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Yeah. The FBI had their own tool called teleport, which would allow them to transmit secret instructions to the trust and safety team at Twitter, and they were censoring based on those instructions. Amazing. That’s completely unacceptable. Twitter management lied about it. The government lied about it. We only found out through the Twitter files.
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01:16:46
Let’s do a Twitter files for the federal government. What do you think we’re gonna find out? What do you think we would find out about COVID? What do you think really happened there if Bobby Kennedy can do that? The lies they told us
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01:16:57
Incompleteness of the actual clinical validation studies, the authorizations and the waivers that were secured, how good or how brittle or how fragile was that data? By the way, I think what we what it’ll also do, Friberg, is if if it looks like this data is actually of extreme high quality, you know what that does?
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It reestablishes trust in that institution, which is also a win. So this whole thing is a win win.
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Well
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and Well Yeah. Go ahead. Let’s not forget the FOIA leader. They were literally being taught how to route around Fauci’s team, how to route around subpoenas and people looking for information. I mean, there’s a lot to uncover here. I’m a 100% here for it. Yeah. So just to
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01:17:41
be clear, there there’s a there’s a there’s a law in the United States called the Freedom of Information Act. The FOIA. It’s kind of a a common term. And it gives the power and authority to individual citizens and and third party agencies to have a check and balance on the federal government that they can go in, they can request actual data, actual files, and it is all necessarily available to the public at any time except for classified information.
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Okay. Well, the federal government now overclassifies everything. We have something like, what, like, a 1,000,000,000 classified documents? They literally classify everything.
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So through the FOIA process, 3rd party lawyers and nonprofits have made requests to federal agencies to get access to this sort of information. And I’ve done it. I don’t know if you guys have ever used FOIA powers for information from the federal government. I had to do FOIA requests 10 years ago to get weather data or 15 years ago for my start up Climate.
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It was the only way we were able to get access to a bunch of weather data was through FOIA requests. And then we’re able to use the that data in our services because it is public data. The taxpayers pay for it, so we had a right to it. Similarly, you can make FOIA requests of emails and, interagency communications and so on. But, Sacks, I think it seems, and, J.
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Cal, to your point about the FOIA lady, there meh, over time, have been some degree of corruption of the FOIA process in all of these agencies which has made it more difficult for individuals and third parties to have the appropriate checks and balances on the data in these agencies because of the way they’ve kind of obfuscated access, slowed down the process.
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Sometimes it takes months for them to respond to you and it’s become quite difficult. So the FOIA the intention of the Freedom of Information Act may have been hindered by by the bureaucracy.
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This will not be through FOIA.
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Let me make one other suggestion is we need a massive declassification effort of the Federal government. Maybe this is the way to actually implement the Twitter files strategy. The problem is we have a massive over classification problem. Billions of documents have been classified at the Federal government. Why?
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Because those bureaucracies know that they can kinda do whatever they want and kinda work in peace without having to disclose what they’re really doing if they just mark ai on a document. Someone needs to go through that and start massively declassifying. Ai they do that then there’ll be a lot more documents available to FOIA requests.
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01:19:54
So that right there would be a huge help and then ai you sai, the FOIA process could be tightened up, it could be a lot faster, it could be a lot easier, and they should not be able to circumvent it by doing the kind of stuff that J. Cal referred to during COVID, where they were, like, deliberately misspelling words, so they they wouldn’t show up.
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Asterisk in, you know, hacker speak in order to avoid this. And they were also told a bunch of people who are in three letter agencies, just by default, put this at the highest level of security not to be disclassified declassified. So they unnecessarily put everything classified.
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And so now
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So it’s not subjective for you.
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Every email is marked at the highest level of classification, which means there’s no discerning it. And if you were to blame an FBI agent, if they told you, hey. Just put everything unclassified so it doesn’t get out. Okay. That seems like a pretty good way to cover your ass. And that’s gotta change. Yeah.
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Well,
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a lot a lot to to come in the weeks ahead. I’m sure we will do more updates as the cabinet positions on the nominees. You’re a
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man of science. I know you have some differences with RFK. Do you want to see him?
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I’ve I have very deep trepidation about RFK having over ai. I think the authority might be limited with respect to the legislative authority that’s vested by the congress, which is the the one piece. I I look. I mean, as you guys know, there’s a lot that RFK brings up that I very that that resonates with me. I I I’m not a black and white guy.
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So there are things that he says that make a lot of sense. There are things I’ve pointed out particularly around microplastics in the environment, particularly around chemistry that we use in our food and our systems of food and production, and I I believe very strongly that we have real issues that have, you know, compounding effects on our health.
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So let let me not be be too flippant about that. I am not a all vaccines are always good all the time person. I think that every one of them needs to be studied on the merits and the risks. I think fluoride is a is an interesting conversation to have. What are the merits? What are the risks? And why is it a federal ai is there a federal authority over fluoride and water? Which ai the way, there isn’t.
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It’s it’s all local municipalities get to decide.
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01:21:57
On a nuance basis then, net net, where do you wind up, Freebirch? Net net, where do you wind up?
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I will say that there are a number of things that RFK have said that that caused me a lot of trouble that that I’m very troubled by ai I think that he had said things that are factually wrong, and I want him to be open to debate and open to review of objective truth and that’s it. And that that’s it.
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And as long
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as he Do you like him as a disinfectant, as a rabble rouser, as to shake up the system, or net net, do you think it’s too risky to let him in?
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Generally, I think all these systems should be challenged a 100%. Okay.
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So net net, you wanna send him in.
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You say you want him to be open to debate. I I personally have never seen a candidate for office who’s been more open to discourse debate interviews than Bobby Kennedy. He’s done everything. He’s been on the show twice. No.
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I’m I’m not classifying him otherwise. I’m not classifying my wife.
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Yeah. You know who is not open to debate and discourse and transparency is a bureaucracy. That’s the problem. If you want government reform, you have to get into the bureaucracy. You need outsiders to come in. You need to make it transparent. You gotta declassify. That’s what you gotta do.
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01:22:59
One of the most important aspects of science, not the the recently legacy media or jokingly definition of quote quote science, But science is meant to be a process of skepticism, interrogation, and the search for objective truth, which means that you should be constantly questioning whether you are right or wrong. And I do think that that is a necessary part of the process of science. Science is not meant to be a dictatorial regime.
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And so I think that resetting the framework for how we operate some of the agencies and authorities that are supposed to be rooted in science to have the necessary process of skepticism review and transparency into that, I think, will re reassert faith and reassert trust by the public in how these agencies are operating.
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And I hope that that happens. I really do. Because I do think that there are very good people in all these agencies who do very good work and there’s a lot of very important advances that have come out of the United States of America and have gone through processes through the federal government that have actually done really great things for Americans and for humanity.
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And so I don’t want us to dismiss things as being whimsical bureaucracies that that don’t have any rooting in science, but I do think that it’s important to have this degree of skepticism sana process and have transparency. So that’s all.
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01:24:10
Well, Ai like you to show me in the constitution where the bureaucracy or the administrative state is a branch of the government. I see in the constitution that we are supposed to be ruled by an executive branch, a legislative branch, and a judicial branch. I do not see hold on.
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01:24:27
I do not see an administrative branch. That has sprung into into existence over the last several decades.
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Yep.
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And it rules us. There’s roughly 3,000,000 people who work for the federal government. Of those, the president basically appoints 3,000 and it takes forever to get them through. Yeah. So we have roughly 3,000,000 people who don’t report to anyone. Nominally, they’re supposed to report to the executive branch, but the president can’t fire him.
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We talked about it on the previous shah, if Elon had gone into Twitter and he hadn’t been allowed to fire anyone, do you think he could’ve restored free speech to Twitter? Of course not. They just would’ve kept doing whatever they wanted to do. And that is the big problem in the federal government right now is we are ruled by a 4th branch of government that is not in the constitution, that doesn’t report to anybody, it is not subject to elections, we can’t vote them out, and we can’t fire them, and they have been in the forefront of trying to stop Trump and the larger reform movement that he represents.
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01:25:24
Ever since Trump got elected in 2016, meh, it was members of the administrative states, specifically the security state who said, don’t worry, we’re gonna be the insurance policy against Ram, and they have done everything possible through the Russiagate hoax, through welfare, through Meh.
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01:25:39
The whole Steele dossier hoax, to basically try and stop Trump and the reform movement that he represents. And the big question of Trump’s saloni term will be whether he can finally subdue this bureaucracy and bring it under democratic control, under the control of the executive branch as the American people sana, and as I think the constitution intended.
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Right now we are run by an unelected branch of government that has to stop And what Trump represents is not dictatorship, but democracy, the triumph of democracy over this bureaucracy.
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And a and a big a big important moment for for this movement, this return to the fundamentals of what was vested in the constitution is the Chevron doctrine case at the Supreme Court earlier this year. It reversed the authority for agencies to create their own rules and regulations that they can then enforce on private enterprise.
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And if that case carries through and is allowed to be used to support the efforts to deregulate or to de agency, what you call ai of the bureaucracy, I think it enables a lot of the change that that folks are looking for. Why should, for example, some commission be sprung out of, you know, some assembly being created, and then that commission gets to create their own rules and their own regulations that effectively are law that prevent private citizens and enterprises from being able to operate and make decisions.
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And I think that was a very important moment for this movement was the the supreme court case on the Chevron doctrine earlier this year. I don’t know if you agree with me on this, Zach, but it seems like it’s gonna
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be agree. I think that was an absolute precursor, which is it it was insane. I mean, again, you had a supreme court ruling that effectively made the administrative state the highest law in the land even though there’s no constitutional basis for it. So, yeah, repealing Chevron was definitely half of it, and I think the other half of it is gonna be whether it’s true.
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Lawmakers have to pass laws. You can’t have individual commissions pass laws. That’s that’s the whole point.
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We need bills passed by the Republican Congress that Trump can sign, but we also need, I think, cabinet level appointments who will start to subdue the bureaucracy, bring them under control, find out what they’re doing, just give us transparency around what they’re doing. Twitter ai this thing so then we can reform it.
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01:27:54
I think that we’re gonna look back on this era and I think it’s gonna last about 20 years or sai, at least, which I call a return to originalism. We are returning to the founding principles of this arya called America, and I think it’s incredible. I think Sacks is right. There is this unbelievable living document that created this incredible experiment. We veered way far away from it.
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01:28:23
It’s taken us a lot of courage to get back to that place where now you can actually let that guiding document govern a highly meritocratic country. So it’s gonna be a lot of hard work, but ai gosh, it’s just an incredible moment and opportunity. Everybody should just take a breath and remember that.
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01:28:47
Ai just like to do a quick survey of some of the local and state elections and and get some reactions. I was gonna try and talk a little bit about what’s going on in San Francisco and California. I’ll just hit on it. Our friend, my friend, Daniel Lurie, was it looks like he’s gonna be the mayor of San Francisco beating out the incumbent mayor, London Breed.
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01:29:04
Daniel ran on a moderate platform and has an intention of fixing a lot of the operations and inefficiencies in the San Francisco government, which has seen a ballooning in budget. San Francisco has the highest budget per capita of any city in the Ai States, I think 50% higher than New York with a lower functioning kind of set of municipal services.
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And there’s a lot of opportunity for improvement there. This is the first time, really important stat, first time an outsider has been elected mayor in San Francisco since 1911. Every mayor elected since 1911 in San Francisco was an existing government employee or government civil servant.
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So just like what we saw in the federal elections, we are seeing an outsider being placed in the mayoral office in San Francisco.
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01:29:51
Ai wished I wished I wished Tyler a a hearty congratulations. Nick, can you show him the tweet?
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Ai city has become a dangerous dirty dumpster fire for bad ideas from Libs. I hope you do the obvious and be on the side of cops, justice, clean streets, and meritocracy. That’s your message to the incoming mayor.
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Yeah. I mean, he is has been a major proponent.
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You were gonna run for mayor one once, J. Cal?
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I was lobbied. I was approached, and I was given a a lot of support, 7 figures of support to go do it. It’s a very hard job because the supervisors, actually run the city and a lot of the supervisors, like they got booted too. No?
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They got booted. Got booted. Dean Preston got booted.
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Dopey Dean and Dopey Dean.
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Dopey Dean.
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That was bad.
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Yeah. Sai the the board of supervisors has also shifted moderate. Yeah. The mayor is now gonna be a moderate ai, and there’s a real opportunity to rebuild and reform San Francisco. It’s a place that I’ve called home for 25 years. It’s a place where I operate my business, and it feels like a lot of the citizens what has historically been in San Francisco. You don’t you don’t have to.
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01:30:57
Ai live there. Hold on. Ai sai just Ai still Sai still live there, and I do think that it was a big election in terms of improving things in San Francisco, so grassta. Daniel Ai a friend of mine as well. Go down to LA, another big race. We booted Gascon who was the Soro’s PA, who ruined San Francisco and then failed his way up to LA, was ruining LA, and Nathan Hockman, who’s moderate, beat him by something like 20 points, and then like I meh, we got Prop 36 passed in California by about 70%, which reversed some of the excesses of Prop 47, which was the proposition a decade ago.
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01:31:33
That was passed by then Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom and then Attorney General Kamala Harris to de facto legalize shoplifting. So the people of California have had enough of these policies that frankly enable crime, enable homelessness, enable drug use, and they want a correction.
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01:31:54
Look, even wokes and blue state liberals don’t want their cars broken into. I mean, it’s really Shocking. It’s it’s really simple.
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And the crazy crazy thing
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in Los Angeles with Gascon was the a number of people who I know live there now know people in Santa Monica, in Brentwood, in Bel Air, where we lived for so many years, Sachs, have home invasions have started again. I mean, that is, like, a real breaking
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point of people.
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It’s scary to have your home broken into by a gang.
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Right. And and, you know, one one final point on this is that while the people of California resoundingly, again, over 70% supported prop 36, there was one prominent figure who was opposed to it, which was Gavin Newsom, he said when he saw early polling, Ai don’t know what state I’m living in.
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01:32:41
So, you know, look, the state we’re living in, Gavin, is the one that you created. You’re the one who gave us these policies, you’re the one who gave us Prop 47, you’re the one who gave us 0 bail, you’re the one who allowed the Democratic party in California to be taken over by Soros DAs, you’ve never resisted these policies, now you have a choice, you can see where the people are at.
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01:33:01
Over 70% of California wants a change. I’d say on the rest of the country, if it’s 70% California, 90% of the United States must, you know, as opposed to these soft on crime policies, and if you ever have aspirations to be anything more than governor of California, you better get him on the right side of this issue.
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01:33:19
Sacks, David Saks, should be the governor of California.
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01:33:23
Let’s do it.
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01:33:24
Ai ram I am a 100% serious. It’s the 5th largest economy in the world. Let’s do it. This is this is this is marked today as the day that I have sai.
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01:33:35
Oh. That I am going to be as the sun,
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01:33:37
that I am going to convince David to be the governor of California.
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01:33:40
I know it is. Great campaign manager secretary firm.
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01:33:43
Hi, Ai. I will say, Ai I’ll just I’m
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just gonna say that David Sachs would be an incredible governor of Ai. I really I’m not an emotion of it.
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01:33:50
I’m not a candidate.
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I’m not a candidate.
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01:33:52
I ai. What’s our guys? Right now.
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He’s lying.
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He’s sending
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to me privately.
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There’s no rumor. I’m just telling you right now that within 2 years, I will have convinced him to do it. It’ll be the perfect time. Gavin Newsom has been terrible for the state. We have seen 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars of market cap exit the state in terms of corporations that have left.
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01:34:12
We have gone from record surpluses to record deficits. We have an education system that is failing millions of kids. What is going on here? We have taxes that are through the roof. And when you spend more and more and more to get less and less and less, and it takes more and more out of everybody’s pocket. What is the answer?
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01:34:35
The answer is you have to fundamentally change everything that’s happening from first principles.
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Well, I will say one more point, about I will call it balance in the force. When a a party is captured and moves too far in one direction, people leave the party and they vote for the other party. And then in order to attract people back to the party, they tack to the center.
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My big prediction over the next few years is you will see a more centrist Democratic party as they try and
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I’ll take the other side.
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And they try and attract
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their 2
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areas back.
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I’ll take
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the other side. Alright. So one one more topic before
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we wrap. I just Meh. CSACS in Sacramento.
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Not gonna happen. Not gonna happen.
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Guys, before we wrap, there’s one other topic that came up in every conversation I had with everyone about Trump that was a female, which was abortion. And it was and and, look, I don’t wanna rehash again that it was misrepresented what Trump’s position is. But abortion has become a very sensitive topic.
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A woman’s right to do what she wants to do with her body when she wants to do it is something that that most women feel they are very deeply endowed with, and that should be an unalienable right, particularly in the United States of America. And that even sending this back to states and states voting on it creates a significant emotional response that drives folks to one party or the other.
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01:35:54
In Florida, voters rejected an abortion extension to 24 weeks. Florida previously had a 15 week abortion ban, but the current 6 week ban took effect in May. So the amendment that was, being proposed on the ballot this week, would have, codified abortion procedures up to 24 weeks in the state constitution, but it needed 60% of the votes to pass.
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01:36:15
But it only got 57%. So it looks like a loss for, pro choice advocates. Sachs, what is gonna happen now that these abortion laws are being voted on, these amendments to state constitutions are being voted on? How is this gonna reshape American politics, and how are the parties gonna shift in the years ahead given how important and how sensitive this this topic has has become after the decision at the Supreme Court recently?
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01:36:42
Look. I I think that what you’re seeing in the last election that we just had is the beginning of the end of the salience of this issue. I meh, abortion has been an issue that has deeply fragmented America for 50 years. I mean, the pro choice versus pro life movements have been a staple of American politics talking past each other.
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01:37:01
They were never able to get to any sort of compromise. With the repeal of Roe v Wade, with the Dobbs decision, the issue has now been thrown back to the states and every state is working it out for themselves. And in most states, what’s happening is it’s either the pro choice totally wins or they compromise on some number of weeks.
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01:37:18
I think that in Florida, going for 24 weeks might have been a little bit too many. If they had tried to go back to 15, you know, they probably could have gotten there, they probably could have gotten from 57 to to 60, but that’s what the debate’s gonna be about now is just basically in red states, it’s just gonna be agree about agreeing on a certain number of weeks, blue states are pretty much gonna be pro choice, and you can see that at the federal level no one wants to touch this anymore.
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01:37:40
Jay Cal, you raised the point during the election cycle during the campaign that Dobbs would be crushing for Trump and that women were gonna turn out in droves for Harris on the base of this issue. That simply did not happen. If you look at voter turnout, Trump increased his share of the women’s vote.
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He did lose college educated women, so that subset of call it more
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01:38:01
White women.
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Progressive Yeah. Sorry. College educated.
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White women too, I think, came out. Yeah.
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But if
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you look at women as a whole, he won more of their votes. So how did Trump inoculate himself on this issue? He made it really clear he was not in favor of a national ban. He said that he favored the exceptions and that it was now up to the states. He basically assured the country, the women of the country, that, again, that abortion would not be banned and that was now a local issue.
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And I think the voters of the country, including women, accepted that And it is now a state issue. So
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So Maryland, Missouri I
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think it’s gone.
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Meh, Missouri, Nevada, Montana, Colorado, Arizona, all voted to codify the right to abortion and remove abortion bans. On the other hand, Nebraska voted for a ban on abortions after the first trimester, and South Dakota voted against a right to abortion. So South Dakota prohibits all abortions except when necessary to save the lives ai.
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You’re even in deep red states like Ohio, the pro choice forces have won these referenda. It’s just a handful of cases, like a very small number, where the pro life have have gotten their their way. Again, I think we’re at the tail end of this being a salient issue in American politics.
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I think Trump has ended it as a federal issue, and it’s now going state by state. And in most of those states, the pro choice forces are winning. I think this issue is over, and I think it’s over because Republicans know not to touch this.
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J. Cal, you’ve said it’s some it’s one of the most important issues of the day several times in the past. You said women were gonna vote in Groves for Kamala because of the perception that Trump was trying to pass a federal abortion ban.
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Them did clearly, but not enough to swing the election. And, you know, it’s going to be
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And you think it’s gonna be
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I mean,
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to to to the question is Sacks ai. Is this gonna stop being an issue, and it’s now codified in state law? And or is this gonna continue to be a police state in law?
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Not be able to get an abortion, sadly. They will not be able to make that decision for themselves. That’s my personal belief. They should be able to make the decision for themselves. I’d like to stay out of it. But Sachs is largely right that if you don’t if I’m reading it correctly think about it. If you’re a state and you ban abortion, who’s gonna sana live there?
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You’re gonna have a lot of people leaving. And that’s been an issue here in Texas. Sai lot of companies are having a hard time with not only getting women to move here to work at specific companies in Texas, but men arya a weller not are citing it as a concern. So it’s going to make it really untenable for an economy.
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You’re saying men don’t wanna work for Tesla or SpaceX because of abortions?
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I have heard many stories about people not wanting to come work at companies in Texas because of this law. Yes. I have heard that from employers. I’m not talking about any of the Elon’s companies. I don’t speak for him, obviously. But this has been an issue for companies in Texas.
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Okay. Guys, this has been a fantastic follow-up to this week’s election. I know some people are bitterly disappointed, frustrated, angry, and sad about the future of America, and others are deeply optimistic and ai. And I think It’s gonna be over the day. It’s all gonna be okay.
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It’s gonna be And I really do hope that everyone can kind of have constructive conversations about the future we’d all like to build together. Do here. And, I really appreciate the friendship with you guys. I wanna say congratulations to Sacks and Chamath for putting yourselves out there as early as you did in campaigning and promoting Donald Trump.
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I think you guys had a very influential role in moving people. For the effort you made and the outcome, congratulations.
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More than listen.
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I’ll I’ll say what
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I said again. He he’s a good human being. I would encourage you to get to know him. Yep. Just
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that. Hold him accountable. Well, look, if he wants to invite me tomorrow, I’ll go and have a veggie burger and fries. I’m there. I will, I will hang out with
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Dan. What what? No veggie burgers.
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What are you talking about?
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Yeah. You
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know? See, before you go. It’s my best advice.
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We’re gonna ban veggie burgers.
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They banned
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fake bbbs. I sort of texted Bobby to ban anything with soy lecithin.
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I know. I remember all
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of your
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all of your
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geathen gum. All that stuff is verbal.
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But don’t worry, bears
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on the menu. Vegans better learn
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Yeah. To
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find natural sources of protein because the unnatural sources
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The free market Republicans have decided it’s time to go in and ban the market for fake meat because, my god, we can’t introduce fake meat.
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We have to tell you what to eat with the dog. Continues to dysregulate your physiology.
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Stop using your moderator privileges to push your agenda, FreeBird.
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Take care, guys.
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I love you. I love
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you guys.
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I love you. Bye bye. I love you ai. Bye bye.
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We’ll let your winners ride.
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And it said we open sourced it to the fans, and they’ve just gone
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crazy with it. Love you, West. Queen of quinoa. Ai should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy because they’re all just useless. It’s like this, like, sexual tension that they just need to release somehow.
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Let your feet. Let your feet.
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Let your feet.
