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(8:40) Palantir’s work at the border, data collection and surveillance, built-in protections
(20:02) Israel/Palestine
(22:23) Is the West committing suicide?
(30:54) Antisemitism
(31:52) China’s strategy, dealing with cartels
(36:46) Why modern Progressivism is not progressive
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Palantir CEO Alex Karp: Why the West is Destroying Itself, Data Empire, Skeptics, How to Win Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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A billion dollars in quarterly revenue for the first time ever. The stock has just ripped. They have delivered here beyond the expectation, and the expectations were obviously remarkably high. Carp’s the kind of guy who kicks your you know what and then he gets in your face afterwards, and he tells you that he just did that.
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As usual, I’ve been cautioned to be a little modest about our bombastic numbers. If you work for Palantir, everyone knows you’re good. And to all supporters of Palantir, meh Christmas and a happy New Year’s. And to all people who hated on us, enjoy your call. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Palantir CEO Alex Carle.
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Great to see you. Thanks for coming out.
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Meh, man. How are you? Awesome.
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See you.
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Thanks. How are you? Doing well.
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Thanks for coming out.
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By the way, thank all of you guys. Great crowd. You have the best people.
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You have
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so you have a lot of fans here. Yep. Yesterday we also had a number of protesters.
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Hopefully enough.
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Why are they what are they protesting? They’re protesting Alex Karp being here. Categorize ram me what’s going on, who are the protesters, why do they protest, who are the fans, why do they love you, what can you see
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Good taste. Good taste. Well, there is an issue of taste and I think actually, you know, like ai always have to kind of try to steel man the other ai. And so like probably the people protesting meh just have heard that they should protest meh, but you know, if you ask why could they have an argument or why do why should you like me, love me, in some cases?
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Honestly, some of you guys like and love me more than I like myself, which takes a little work. But, the, I think this audience sai an example though is almost unfair because builders basically learn from watching ai highly ai talented people basically put a discount rate on everything anyone says and measure accomplishment based on outperformance against that discount rate.
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And you’ll find if you’re managing future builders, a lot of talent anyone who’s Palantir in shape that de facto you get street cred by outperforming against expectations where expectations are are are ai of multiplied against sai high discount rate. So I think what you’d find in this audience is two things converging.
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One, you know, the journey of Palantir is completely counterintuitive and especially technical experts, you know, the FDA thing was viewed as like you weren’t going to get a multiple. I was viewed as like this magical wizard who could get the smartest people in the world to work on something that was de facto stupid.
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We were a quote unquote terrible at public relations, and we stood up for the US government even when it was really, really unpopular. And then there are a lot of people in the audience who agree with that, but I think as importantly, look at the results. Look at the fruits we bore.
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Look at the people we have on our ai. And then you get to the other side. And again, it would be easy just to dismiss the other side is, I don’t know, stupid. They don’t know what’s going on. Let’s just take the intellectually rigorous version of why you would be against what we’re doing.
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There’s a misconception, that AI and meh is going to exclude everyone who’s not in this room. And sana lot of people who are protesting, actually what they’re protesting is there’s no way to get in this room. And in fact, the way aptitude and the way the implementation of things has worked, they’re just wrong.
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And because they’ve assumed that, they then go into what I would call super aggressive, non working philosophical or empirical models, where they assume the losers are noble, but actually what they’re really assuming is they can’t win. And then you get to, then you get to more subtle things.
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I do think there’s an issue with our lead institutions that have taken the best and brightest and most valuable things you could teach someone and have turned it into some kind of Stalinistic bullshit that is anti correlated with everything that works in the West, which is like individual accomplishment.
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And if you had to sai, what is the central value what is the central thing we do in America better than anyone else? It’s like allowing people to express their individual artistry in a way where you fucking win. Like with no apologies. And then because they think they are on the loser side of this, they assume morality can’t be against them.
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And then they are trained to believe that and understand it. Of course, if you arya a professor at Berkeley teaching about Heidegger, you think losing is good because you lost. That’s that’s of course the whole reason you think that. You think that because you are the noble loser.
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And this, but again, where it gets super super dangerous and where I do think we have to do a better job is, you can’t just assume there’s no truth in what they believe, which is like we have not done a even adequate job of helping people at the bottom.
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Is, some part of their criticism about the situation in Gaza?
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Oh, so that I’m getting now you can get to no. Well, first of all, I get yelled out about you know what I get yelled at most about is actually enforcing the border. That’s number one. So ai I get southern border. Our southern bryden. Ai, so again, I’ll go through all three issues.
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I get yelled at about first of all, for decades, I got yelled. So they’re legitimate issues to go over, but I just want for those of you who don’t know the history, I’ve been yelled at for twenty years and protested primarily for supporting speak operations in America. And you just got to imagine that. I am being protested for bringing soldiers home alive and killing our enemies.
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And these are people who serve our country and have been largely screwed by both parties. Like both parties have totally screwed them, and so Ai been yelled at, so that’s what I got yelled at, ai then I got yelled at about that every single day. Then I got yelled at under Biden, under Obama, Biden, and especially obviously if Trump is doing it, you’re definitely getting yelled at for enforcing the border.
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Now Ai sana to say, I don’t understand how in the world of Ai, you cannot be for somewhat of a constrained bryden. Because we can make it work for every single person who is actually Meh, and we can make laborers more valuable. We need extra labor that’s not in vain either completely the most talented in the world, like many people in this room, or who are bringing skills.
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Also we have enough transparency, you can’t say you don’t know who’s in your country. It’s complete BS. It’s completely anti correlated ai the way with being progressive. I grew up in the most progressive family ever, and every Friday night at Shabbat, there was a lecture on how the Republicans are screwing our country by undermining the worker and bringing in cheap labor.
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Sai, okay, so I got yelled at about that. Sai, and then I fought about that, actually mostly, and then commercially got yelled at about how could you have these FDEs that’s going to blow up your multiple. Now everybody wants to be an FDE. But okay, sai now Ai getting yelled at primarily about ICE. What’s going on? How’s it going on? Is the treatment just?
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The one thing I would say, and we can go through each one of these individual things, The weird, the obvious fact is, if you care about not being surveilled illegally, if you care about the treatment of people who come into the country illegally, but deserve adequate treatment.
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If you care about lives in Gaza, in Ukraine, and all over the world where Palantir is used, you’re sana want the best software in the world, because it’s the only way you can reduce and more precisely target the people and ai it. And actually, the only way where you can say this person did this and they deserve to go.
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And so, you know, and and in each one of these things has to be steel meh and and then Let’s
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do that for the the second one, the border. Tucker said yesterday when he spoke to President Trump, there was no way to know is there 30,000,000 are there 30,000,000 people here illegally, forty, fifty whatever it happens to be. You say you call BS on that, we could easily do it.
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I didn’t say we could easily do it and I’m not calling BS on that. I’m actually saying it’s a very very hard problem, but in the world of AI and software, you can’t say it can’t be done.
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It could very easily be done if we put cameras everywhere and we just did facial recognition.
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Well, yes.
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But we don’t want to live in that.
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It could be very easily done if you eviscerate our civil liberties. Yeah. That’s not being done. Right. That’s ai, I could I could grow your revenue at 400%, but I’ll lose money in perpetuity is not a business.
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Yeah. Of course. And sai, let’s talk about what the solution to that would be. The the border issue is actually a a bit overstated. You have 90% of the country believes the border should be orderly. That is actually something that most people Okay.
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Sorry. I just got to interrupt you. 90% of people believing it happening are completely just non connected.
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Of course. Whatever the reason the Biden administration didn’t do it, you know, that’s over and now we’re here and it’s closed. But what would your solution be to identifying the people who are
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Well, again, I I no. Ai. I think you’re jumping over a lot of things. There’s a ai it it’s it it happened. Okay. What’s interesting about political parties in America is that they are anti correlated with what they claim. Democrats claim to be progressive like ai, having a border is not progressive.
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President Trump is conservative, having a border is progressive. And unfortunately, until we change our polity to the people actually get a say on the border. By the way, the single best example of this is in Europe. So how do you explain the complete dysfunction in Europe?
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You know, most Europeans, Germans, there are many Germans in the audience. Hello. How many of you guys don’t how many how many of you guys are happy with the immigration situation you have in Germany? None. How many will talk about it publicly? How many will do anything? And then you get to these issues.
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The polity will frame the issue, so that there is no solution. The only solution is to accept a solution no one wants. And that’s what we had. And it’s not, and part of the problem, the reason the border is such an interesting thing is, the reason you get an open border is politicians do not want to address the real problems of the society, which would mean the workers of today have more value tomorrow than they have today.
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Because they have no earthly clue how to do that, they are like: Ai just open the border and we’ll get free labor, and if you are on the left, we’ll get people who will vote for us. Ai the reason, the way in which if you ai of steel man your questions, Gaza, Ukraine bryden, you have to raise the moral standard.
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So it’s not, again, the way you meh this is ai, if we just put up a camera. Yes, you can stop terrorism or you can have civil liberties. It’s a little bit like you can have growth without revenue, you can have revenue without growth. If you sana to solve the problem, you have to increase civil liberties and stop people from being in your country illegally.
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And the reason it doesn’t happen is because there is slippage in the execution which is absolutely purposeful. And if we don’t want this country to be what Europe is now, and I lived in Europe most of my life, my grandmother, if German law made any sense, would be German and I would have a German passport.
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If we don’t want that, you have to close the bryden, you have to make sure that people who have a right to be here get to stay, people who don’t have a right to sai meh treated fairly. By the way, both sides have to step up. It’s not enough to say Ai against the border or whatever, but I have no solution for what’s gonna happen for people, which is unfortunately what my What’s
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your solution for, just your personal solution for what to do with 30,000,000 people who are here illegally? What would you do?
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Well first of all, I would I mean my personal solution would be you divide the pie. Everybody who’s criminal, criminal adjacent or has anything to do with crime is going to leave and I’m going and I’m sana to make it so that they self deport because I’m sana to come tomorrow in a way you don’t like it.
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That’s number one and there’s 90%
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That’s easy. Yeah.
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No, you have a lot of
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No, no, that’s easy to agree on. Nobody wants felons here. It’s easy to agree on.
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Meh, but but the the ai is like it’s easy because again you’re like civil But in any case, these things are much much harder than they look. As an example, how do you do that without eviscerating our civil liberties? How do we make sure the criminals How do you know someone is criminal?
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What standard of practice do you use to define if someone is criminal? Are all criminals the same? Because de facto, if you go broad brush the way you basically are, it’s ai, yes, but being in the country illegally is a felon. Killing someone or potentially killing someone is a different kind. How do you deal with the people that are around them?
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How do you deal with law enforcement people databases that are not made public to you? How do you deal with imputed data? How do you deal with data? How do you do do you do predictive That’s
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the question, so you’re restating the question. I’m asking you to answer it.
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Well, I’m restating the question, so it’s a question. Ai. That’s the thing.
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Let me, let me Ai like, it’s just how I’m hoping
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you’d answer it.
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Let ai, let me, let me flesh this out a bit. So, so look, everyone on the right at least agrees that we should have a strong border. One of the criticisms or concerns that I hear on the right or from civil libertarians is that Palantir has a large scale data data collection program on American citizens.
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So not foreign terrorists, not illegals, but American citizens. Can you just clear that up and say that either Palantir is not doing that or under what circumstances you do?
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Yeah. So, first of all, I just sana to like Palantir, ai, there’s a technical version which I’m going to give you. But, like, we we had a Democratic administration come to us and basically ask us to do a Muslim database. Now you would think given the way I’m kind of besmirched as like some kind of, I don’t know, it’s like a Jewish conspiracy, that would be the first thing according to them I would do.
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We’ve never done anything like this. I’ve never done anything like this. To actually understand the answer, and Ai love these questions about the skeptic because ai, Sai actually love skeptics. Ai, I tend to divide the world into, you have Palantir Derangement System Syndrome, which I don’t spend a lot of time ai, and I think they’re anti builder.
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You have Palantir skeptics sana you have people who don’t like Palantir. If you’re Palantir skeptic or you don’t like us, I want to engage. And that any technology that works can be abused. We are the single worst technology to use to abuse civil liberties, which is by the way, the reason why we could never get the NSA or the FBI to actually buy our product.
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And until recently, ai, SIGINT institutions would never buy our product. Yeah, you laughed because it’s like obvious. If you want to do data analytics in a way that eviscerates our civil liberties, you don’t want ACLs, you don’t want branching, you don’t want pipelining. In more like
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I want logs.
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You don’t want logs, and ai, you don’t want serialization and deserialization in your product. If you have serialization and deserialization in your product that’s intelligible, you are basically creating a product that’s going to be really really hard to abuse. And the logs are immutable in Palantir. So ai, and by the way, the single most civil liberties heavy place in the world is hating on us every day.
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And you know what they’re buying every day? Palantir. It’s called Europe. And you know ai? Sorry, I want to get to this because this is important.
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Because I get basically attacked by skeptics and anti Palantir people that deserve And by the way, do not, this is a lesson for you, do not believe anything I’m saying. And if you’re online watching, I don’t know, Nick Fuentes, Call Meh, The Jewish Conspiracy, do yourself a favor and say, Yeah, that could be really interesting.
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Spend twenty minutes looking at the product. Twenty minutes looking at the product and say, Is this not the hardest product to abuse in the world? Is it not built to be And by the way, and then I’ll get to direct answers of your questions. And by the way, that’s made me very rich.
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Because the civil liberties protections we built into PG are the same things that we use to orchestrate large language models, the same way we orchestrate internally, and the same things you will need to make any enterprise in the world work, because every enterprise in the world, public or private, needs deserialization, ACLs, branching, some kind of scaffolding to make the LLMs work, which means the LLMs have an ability to do a taxonomy on your business, but without touching the business, that you can control where they’re deployed, that they don’t have access to your data, that you have, immutable logs, and that you can measure the output against both any, against high fidelity data sets that can be viewed in any way permissible, and that the permissions are enforced.
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So arya product in the world to abuse. I’m telling you, we’ve never done anything like this. Please ai. Do not trust me. Certainly, do not trust the people.
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By the way, as a rule, the one thing I would say critical on the outside, do not trust anyone who’s never built anything. It’s so easy to have all these opinions. You have all these fucking opinions about how the world works, how data works, how businesses work, how we got off the ground, I’m a conspiracy, somehow they gave it to me, but not you, even though Ai be the least likely person to get To sue the US government ai, We had to hire the most important engineers in the world and be laughed and shat upon by the whole world for twenty years before anyone took it seriously because we were conspiracy.
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And you know why people believe it? Because they’ve never had a job, they’ve never built anything, and anyone who has, no, that’s just not the way the world works. For me to succeed, just like for you to succeed, you’re gonna have to be 10 x better than anyone else in the room or you will fail.
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And that’s true for meh, that’s true for you, that’s true for every American.
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it’s always been true.
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It’s always been true. Sorry, sorry, I gotta get to this. And anyone who tells you, anyone, anyone, anyone who tells you that’s not true is you are the mark. You are the mark. If you’re being taught, and that’s what I would tell the protesters or the college, you’re the mark.
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They’re telling you Ai succeeding because I just got it handed to meh, and somehow it’s unfair. No. No one handed anything to anyone at Palantir. PG is still the best product on the market. No one even tries to compete it. Foundry, go ahead. Go try to build it.
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Try to organize a team of people as good as Palantirians. Go ahead, try. Try. Try to do it for twenty years. Try to build a vision ai.
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I would
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like to try to ask a question.
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Sorry. One saloni. All I
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sana say is, I’m glad you’re on our side.
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So then
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My Lord.
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Try to try it. Ai to, try to, ai to, Sai don’t need it. Try, try, try ai build Ontology and FDEs ai, six years before anyone thought it was. Ai to raise the capital. Try to be left at. But to your questions, no, we are not surveilling, US citizens. No, our data is not being used to aggregate and to create imputed weight, because you could say, do you do it directly? Do you do it indirectly?
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That’s a fair question. No. Would I do this? Don’t have to believe me, but I’ve never done it in twenty years. I’ve told every single important I do a lot of constructive engagement internally, like with countries, because, you know, people know I’m kind of on their side in the West.
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I tyler every single major leader that’s there that I would not do something, and it’s cost And by the way, it’s cost Palantir a lot of money. We never worked with Ai, we never worked with Russia, we never worked with adversarial. We got laughed out of the same room. Okay.
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This morning there was a report that there was some sort of an attack that Israel affected inside of Qatar against the terrorists of Hamas. I just want to give you a chance to talk about Israel Sana, that whole conflict. You’ve talked about it a lot. You have a lot of opinions.
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People have tried to obviously attack you and mis ai
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some of the things you said. Ai actually they’ve often characterized what I’ve said correctly. Sai, but okay. In, in, yeah, I, I, look, there, the Israel, there there for me just fun before he gets this big, there are fundamental issues. Does Israel have a claim to the land? Yes. Does Israel Yeah. So again, like does Israel have a right to defend itself? Yes.
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Has Israel done something America would not have done under certain the same circumstances? I think America would have been a lot more brutal. And again, now then you get to the humanitarian thing and I’ll say abstracting from there. I believe progressives in this country are working day and night to hurt poor people in this country. I don’t believe they’re progressive.
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And I would sai, I do not, I believe through direct and indirect engagement, I’m clearly not in favor of Palestinian innocent people being killed. I am not in favor of that. And I’ll tell you, so then the question is, are you allowed to fight war? And then the other point is, if you want to minimize human life, innocent human life being killed, you’re going to have to use software.
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And this is sana to have to be better in the future than it is now. It’s true Israel’s ratio of ai casualty, innocent to non innocent is better than anyone has ever had in the history of humanity and it’s going to have to be better than
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Does your software help send aid to the refugees or can it?
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You have to be very careful. There’s a Ai like I want to avoid ai I can’t go into exact, like I’m not allowed to say where we’re used, where we’re not used. But then there’s there’s sai ai a trick people do is like, oh, I’m not used for this and I’m not used for that. When in fact, you know, we are used in Israel and like I would say as a generalization where word are used in Israel, most people in this audience would be very supportive of, and it actually has been very precise and deadly, and I support that.
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Alex, yesterday we had Tucker here and, he made some references to opening borders, declining fertility rates and actual programs for assisted suicide in Canada. All of which may speak to the West’s intention of committing suicide. Do you think the West generally is committing suicide? If so, why? What gets us here?
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I I meh, you have to disambiguate Meh. Like I walked around your audience. This isn’t not an audience committing suicide. This is an audience fighting to win. And before I get to this question, and the one thing I would tell you guys is you’re gonna have to fight to win because currently, I’m one of the few people, other people on stage who speak up.
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You’re gonna have to speak up and explain to people why you have the right to win or it may be taken from you. And so you’re sana have to you’re gonna have to fight. And by the way, here I ai, I don’t mean left right here. Both parties need a little bit of kick in the ass here. Like it’s like, it’s just you know, we we have a right to win.
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We need to win and you have an individual right to fight to win in this country and should not be taken away from you. And it could be if you don’t stand up and tell people, no your ai is ridiculous. And that’s just what meh explain to you how this works. Then Ai mean the country, for those who don’t know, I spent half my life and I wrote this PhD in Germany and ai it’s a country.
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I know France reasonably well actually, But, Ai show When I’m talking about Europe, Europe is obviously not Europe. You have East And West Europe and Eastern European countries are very, very different than Western European countries. Denmark’s very different and the Nordics are very different.
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Sai, but generally when people in this country are in general talking about, you know, committing suicide, they’re really thinking in their mind’s eye Germany. It’s like you have a country with, you know, arguably, you know, had, you know, pre software Ai, the best industrial base in the world, the best schools in the world.
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They have vocational schools. So ai, you know Germany, ai, you know, they never neglected their working class. Like you have two different kinds of vocational schools in Germany. You have for like lower level and high. High level vocational training in Germany puts you on the factory floor doing important things and you earn a real salary with real benefits your whole life and have rights.
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It has best health care, best ai, and for those of you who embrace a lascivious lifestyle, by far the best. Think about it. And so really the ai and the highest level of data protection, highest level integrity, best position to win and okay, suddenly you got, you know, the energy, they basically blew up the energy arya, They blew up immigration and they blew up essentially, you know, their meh scene.
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It’s ai, and now it’s like very hard to ask and answer the question: What is the future? And as a kind of sideline diagnostic and like Peter and I, who they should be calling every day on Speed Dale, like like they spend every day talking about us. For those of you who are German, you’ll know, like every single day, three times a day is Peter’s Darth Vader and Ai Lord Sith.
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It’s like and like meanwhile, they should be calling us. The way you commit suicide in the in the West is you stop believing that your particular culture has something superior in it. Like, meh, Germany screwed up a lot of stuff in World War Two, but to believe that there’s nothing special, unique and uniquely valuable about German culture is insanity.
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It’s like complete insanity and there’s nothing wrong with saying you’re proud to be German. Like in German, you’re literally far right of center if you’re like, ai, it’s been Stolt, Stolt, Stolt,
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Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt, Stolt,
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Stolt, Stolt, Stes ai. That that will put you like like, I’m proud to be German. So like like like there’s even at Palantir, one of the crazy things about Palantir is how German we are. Ai, we we take everything to ai every question to, like, the nth degree and then recatinate the thing before we make a decision.
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Every single person at Palantir
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So ai, you know, I get that, you know, Germany has this problem to some degree with being able to look in the mirror. But what about France and Bryden? Right? They won World War two. Why what what’s why are they pursuing the same policies?
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Canada. And the policy we’re talking about, just to be clear, is just allowing an extreme amount of immigration.
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Well, I’m trying to I’m trying to No, ai. I’m trying to ask if there’s a thread that connects
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the ai But again, the jump off place here is for very different and very non connected reasons. They all decided there was nothing special about their culture.
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Right.
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And and like and again, France’s would be even better example because they have a much better narrative. They actually had a resistance. It wasn’t as big as people say, but it existed.
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Right.
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France, you know, the crazy thing about LLMs is it should have been built and Ai meh, the whole center of gravity should be in France. Like the two best math cultures in the world are Russia and France. And like we hire ad nauseum from France. So, but France, they gave up on two things and France actually might even be the better example.
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If you In France, for those of you who are in France, France is religiously focused on meritocracy. So they have this one school you have to get into. It’s all about meh, and the reasons about math is the socialist in French and France decided that having like high verbal IQ was a class based thing.
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And so they religiously into meritocracy, and the whole definition of it is mathematical aptitude. France is complicated. You have far right, far left in between. Somehow and in other ai, like it’s very hard to articulate in France ai you think French culture is better than any other culture in Europe ram a French perspective.
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And then for example concretely, if you sana to build a product, if you build it in France, it should be absolutely mathematical and aesthetic. If you build it in Germany, it’s sana have to be conceptual and manufacturing based. You’re gonna have a different text scene, a different way of organizing it.
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And then last not least, and this is the thing we have to fight for the most, they become anti meritocratic. So like if you’re in Germany or France and you’re the best of the best of the best, you’re going to wait thirty years before you have a real job. Why? Because Why did they become anti meritocratic? Well, there’s again, the people out there protesting or the people, the faculty members at Berkeley have taught them to protest.
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The, the, yeah.
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The A
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lot of strays for Berkeley.
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Well, we can pick on Stanford. The chance,
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the chance they’ll be
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But but but but they equate morally losing with losing in the real world with winning in ai the like in immorally. And it seems like a crazy way to think because in the end
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sana? So Ai asked this because I heard someone have a talk about this where the the moral spectrum used to be strong and weak. You know, meh, the strongest would survive and the weakest would die and that was how we measured what was right and what was wrong. And then what became right and wrong was this notion of good and evil, turn turn the cheek Yeah. Compassion, etcetera.
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The the now, Ai mean there are many many different schools of Christianity and so ai even in this case ai Lutheran Christianity and Catholic French Christianity are are are basically not correlated. They’re both Christian. What’s special about America was Calvinism. Like we are the most Calvinist culture in the world, and actually the protesters are anti Calvinism. What does Calvinism mean?
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Calvinism celebrates success. De facto, almost everybody in America that’s that is, whether you’re Jewish, Muslim, Christian, the underlying backdrop of America is this Calvinist view and the anti Calvinist cultures of Europe, Lutheranism, other kinds of cultures, they they do equate like, you know, behind every great success is a great ai.
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It’s a famous Volterian classic. And we don’t have this in this country. If this slips, you basically end up in a situation where everybody who is succeeding or is perceived to be in a group that is disproportionately succeeding ends up on the firing wall. And what does that happen to the whole society?
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You know, one of the more interesting Are we
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seeing that with antisemitism?
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Ai of the more interesting facts about France is between ’61 and ’91, their GDP grew faster than America’s. Yeah. So this is a very special culture. Now the antisemitism, well, I don’t particularly, like Ai actually think it should be disambiguated. I actually like someone liking or not liking a Jewish person or being skeptical of Jews, that’s irrelevant.
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Somebody who has Jewish derangement syndrome that wants to burn down the whole society to get rid of the obvious fact that Jews do well in their meritocratic situation. That’s a problem for everybody, not just for Jews. And it should be very much focused, like, you know, in private I’m very critical of ai these advocacy groups, and I’m constantly hanging up on them.
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And of course, I’m not gonna give you any fucking money. This is the most ridiculous bullshit ever. Ai, it’s like, they’re like, what the fuck? Ai like the best culture in the world and we gotta come. But like the the the the like, like the the the thing that becomes dangerous is when you have like derangement syndrome.
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And the derangement syndrome comes ram, yeah, you know, you know if you’re classic, the classic liberal inputs have to be really, really fair, as fair as we can make them and outputs are never sana be fair.
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Alex, can I ask you about China for one second? So we talked with Tyler yesterday and one of the things, you know, just to connect the dots ai we were able to designate these cartels as terrorist organizations, there’s all these drugs flowing in, we’re trying to shut that down.
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The precursors are still coming in very aggressively from China and so I’m just curious, what is the geopolitical frame that we need to think about China in? How much are they facilitating everything that’s happening at the southern border? How responsible may they be for the fentanyl epidemic in The United States?
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How should, what should we do about it?
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Well, you know, it’s funny ai obviously Palantir and I are wildly skeptical of the CCP, but you know, I I think I’m the highest ranked Ai Chi practitioner in corporate life in the world and it it’s like in you you have Ai like, sorry, say that again. You’re like
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f level Tai Chi. Like
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well, you know, like that video, that was very high level internal martial arts. I’m not at Yeah. That level, but Sai mean among my corporate peers, it’s ai, yeah, I have the equivalent in VO two sai terms of ai a 72
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Right.
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Or something like that. And, in Tai Chi and the the you you you the the way the way the kind of part of the culture that I admire works like in Tai Chi is you you put pressure on all parts of the system to expose the weak part of the system internally of your adversary. And that that is just the way Chinese, like at least Ai Chi martial arts works.
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I mean, not useful for fighting, but it is very useful for thinking Tai Ai, or as useful for fighting as it, you know. Sai, and if you want to engage the way, the way an engagement with China works is you make your or in Ai Chi terms, you sana to engage with Ai, you better make sure the internal dynamics of this country are very strong.
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It’s magically the external dynamics over there will shift.
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Are they trying to destabilize our country with fentanyl, with Tik Tok and do you have concerns about that?
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Well, okay. Obviously, speak, shah, obviously. But again, I’ll tell you what. So they’re obviously
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I’m in full agreement.
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No, yeah. No, but but like, but my version always of this is it’s their job to destabilize us. It’s our job to be stable. And like, you know, it’s like when you’re most people here are running successful businesses. It’s like Ai what you
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all said. It’s like It’s our job to be stable.
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It’s our stable ai if you want to the Tai Chi version of like, you’re not sana to have to enter the fight if you’re strong. There is no fight. If there’s a fight, you like the famous martial arts thing is like, if you’re in a fight, you’re not a martial artist. Correct. Sai, and this is like the same thing in business. Like when you get to the point where you’re competing with someone, you’ve really fucked something up.
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Like if you look at the Palantir version, yeah, do FDEs, do Ontology, do, do, do Ontology, orchestrate them at scale, grow 93%. People don’t want or work with the US ai. Like, yes, people are like that’s kind of hard and really unfun.
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Meh me give you a So
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nice Yeah.
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Question here about, these cartels who are bringing fentanyl into the country. They’re killing a 100,000 Americans a year. ai, we lost three thousand people tragically. If they’re not terrorists, then how would you define them and should we be using the same test as to our engagement with them and should we be eliminating them as terrorists with prejudice?
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Well, I obviously agree with that. I I think honestly the problem is they even think they can get away with this. Like one of one of the more interesting things is when you read people who are against America taking out, you know, these narcoterrorists, There, it’s always something like we’ve got to use a reified meaning overly deterministic form of law to the point where America has to die.
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Back to your question.
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Yeah. Due process for Al Qaeda makes sense. Yeah.
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It it Well, it’s like the interesting thing here actually with a point of agreement is, if you allow Okay. Just take like an obvious example of like fraud, human rights watch. Okay. So they’ll take a standard, they’ll move the standard and then the downstream consequences of it is that we’ve got to disappear and die. Right?
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And then, but then even worse than that, they’re actually paving the way for a fascism because Americans and no one else are gonna tolerate that level of dysfunction. These fuckers are killing 50, a 100,000 of our people. The fact that they think they can get away with this is a real problem.
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Yes.
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We should just sana and it’s like and and the fact that somebody’s gonna sai, it’s ai, you have the European version, it’s like, you know, or any it’s ai, if you allow you have to protect the data and find the terrorists because otherwise you get a form of fascism. You get it on the left because we have terror attacks and fentanyl across our street and you get it on the classic far far right which is
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Alex, what did you mean earlier when you said progressives want you to be poor? I meh be paraphrasing in critical but
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what The modern progressive movement is clearly not progressive. Progressive is defined by the working class do better tomorrow than they did today and know it. Ai. Okay. To do that, you need things that you can do at scale now. Vocational training on AI based systems, making our laborers more valuable, obviously closing the bryden so that you don’t reduce the amount that you pay people, and also eviscerate legal protections.
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This is not progressive. It’s not progressive ai the way to have so little competence or willing to use force that we get overrun by drugs. Who do those drugs go to? Disproportionally poor people of color. Yes. It’s not progressive to have crime rates.
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You know, to be a civil war zone, to be a war zone, you have to have five five deaths per 100,000. That’s like half our cities. How’s that progressive? What you meh? You care about poor people so meh, you’re just gonna let them kill each other? Ai.
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Can you
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put your shift gears here? So, Alex, I think you’ve developed a little bit of a reputation of a defender of the West and you’ve talked about that here. I’m wondering, can you criticize, any aspect of of Western foreign policy, ai, for example, during the war on terror? Was it a good idea to occupy Afghanistan?
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I’ve never been a neo con. I like this is the thing. Sai I it’s like, I’ve never been a neo con. I actually don’t think that’s the pro Western. The pro Western superiority thing is we do what we do really well. Why are we trying to make people us? I’ve never understood this.
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By the way, the neocon thing, the pro migration people and the pro occupation people abroad, it’s the same philosophy. I don’t actually think migration is working in the West, because people don’t want to change. Ai don’t think, like, and why are we teaching the Arab Middle East how to live better?
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The countries that I won’t go into names that seem to love and revere me and Palantir, they’re doing really well. Like they have a way of living their ai. It works really well. It largely involves different ways of living than we would. There’s no First Meh, there’s really not a Fourth Amendment, and I’m not that interested in that. And by the way, I think that destabilizes everyone.
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I ai very in favor of using force where it’s needed, but force where it’s needed and doing occupation are completely different things, and you will see across the world people who sana to convince like, I don’t know, convince Afghani villagers to be pro feminist. We’ll also explain to you that the people that end up coming here are sana be pro Western in their values three generations out.
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It’s completely sai
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sana to thank you for being on our side and I want to thank my wife for buying your stock at $20.
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Thank you.
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No, Alex. We deeply appreciate you being here and I think that your voice is one of the most important voices in the world today. And Ai thought this was such an important point to bring forward. I don’t see you do a lot of long form. I don’t see a lot of your long form get public.
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I I think this is so important for everyone to hear, to swallow, to digest, and hopefully to evolve and and grow from ram. And I really appreciate you. Thank you so much for being here today. Please join me in thanking Alex Carr.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Thank you, Eric.
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That was great. Yeah.