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(0:00) Introducing Kyle Samani
(1:07) History of modern capital markets
(3:25) What a redesigned capital market structure would look like in 2025
(8:22) Examples of the future of internet capital markets
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Crypto crypto crypto. As cryptocurrency becomes more popular, we’re starting to see signs that it could become part of our financial future.
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US dollars are the greatest product in human history, but amazingly, most people around the world who want dollars cannot get them because the legacy financial rails simply prevent them from doing so.
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You sana have the world’s most real time global financial market where everyone is synchronizing using the same open protocol at the speed of light.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Multicoin Capital’s Ai Saloni. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Kyle Simani. I’m a founder and managing partner of Multi Coin Capital. I’m incredibly excited to be here with you all at the All In Summit today. Today, I’m sana be talking a little bit about Internet capital markets, but before we get to the future of capital markets, I think a little history lesson is in order.
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Before Ai we dive in, do have some small disclosures. You can read all this in about four seconds. Please do know that nothing in this presentation should be considered financial advice. Ai, let’s jump in. The roots of our modern financial system are about a 100 years old.
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The stock market as we know it today was actually born out of crisis. In 1929, the stock market ram lost a third of its value in about a week and over the next three years proceeded to lose about 90% of its value. At the ai, there was no Sai, there were no disclosures, there were no standardized audits. In response, Congress passed three major pieces of legislation.
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The first is the Securities Act of ’33 and that, ai disclosures for companies that issue securities. The second was the Exchange Act of ’34, which created the Sai. And the third was the Investment Company Act of 1940, which created regulations for regulating public mutual funds. The government’s goal in these regulations was simple.
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They needed to create trust, protect investors, and most importantly, restore confidence in our capital markets. Those three laws today still stand as the foundation that our modern capital markets are built on top of. In the ninety years since, we’ve added a rule after rule, system after system.
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Typically, that’s been predicated on these financial intermediaries whose job it is is to meh they’re deputized to process these regulatory functions. We’ve added layers of complexity, layers of rent seeking. And interestingly, most of these rules have come not from Congress, but from the administrative state.
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Today’s markets are both held together by these intermediaries and made more inefficient by them. Investors have to go through exchanges, exchanges go through clearing houses, clearing houses go through custodians, on and on. Each of these players takes a cut, they add a fee, they add a delay, they create complexity, and they also create inertia in the status quo sai that it’s harder to remove them later.
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While the intent of these legal protections are generally pretty good, the their evolutionary path over the last hundred years has produced in our modern system of bloat and cruft. Markets still close at 4PM, fees are still high, access is still limited, inefficiency is baked into the system by design.
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It still takes two days to settle a stock trade in 2025. If you ask the group of engineers and traders to redesign capital arya infrastructure from first principles in 2025, you wouldn’t be recreating all of these intermediaries. You’d be building something based on modern software. You’d build something that’s global and 20 fourseven, that’s programmable and permissionless, and that’s secured most importantly by cryptography.
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You’d build one global ledger that can support internet scale capital markets. Until recently these global ledgers or as we like to call them blockchains couldn’t actually scale to support internet capital markets. No one in this room is going to wait two minutes to send the transaction and pay $20 in gas fees on Ethereum.
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But with blockchains have gotten a lot better cheaper and faster and modern blockchains like Solana can actually process now more than a billion transactions in a day at an average cost of less than a penny per transaction. The tech is finally ready. The tech alone though is not enough. We need a regulatory alignment as well to get there and in 2025 we’re getting it.
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President Trump kicked off the year by signing a series of executive orders aimed to make America the crypto capital of the world. We also owe a huge shout out to our favorite bestie David Sachs in his role as cryptos are for helping get these executive orders through. Thank you. Yeah.
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David, thank you for working with the president on getting these EOs through and working with the administration and Congress. In July, Congress passed the Genius Act which created a foundation on top of a framework for stable coins to proliferate all over the world on permissionless crypto rails.
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The Genius Act is not only sana to have implications for how capital markets work around the world, but global geopolitics as the US dollar permeates every corner of the world. And in the next few months, we expect congress is going to pass the clarity act, which is going to answer a number of open questions about how crypto market structure should be regulated.
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But interestingly, the most consequential stuff consequential actions are going to be coming ram the SCC itself. In a speech that he gave about six weeks ago, SCC chair Paul Atkins outlined his plans for the future of all of the employees at the SEC. In that speak, he sai, quote, I have directed the commission staff to update antiquated agency rules and regulations to unleash the potential of on chain software systems in our securities markets.
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He is preparing the Sai for what he calls quote the digital finance revolution. It just does not get any more clear than this. US securities markets are coming on chain. In that same speech, chair Atkins also outlined his vision for what he calls regulation super super app.
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And this creates a framework for a regulatory framework to allow three distinct kinds of assets to all trade on one user interface ai different underlying back ends. Those three asset types include non security crypto assets, tokenized securities, and traditional securities. And while these assets all have different back ends, users should not have to care.
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You should be able to trade any of these things all from the same front end. Under this framework, these regulated financial super super apps are sana to be able to offer these services and many others things like staking, lending, trading, or just general access to Ai all from these regulated super app platforms.
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And they’re sana to be able to do so without getting 50 state licenses or even going through multiple federal licenses. The makings of these super apps already exist today. They look like Robinhood, Coinbase, SoFi, and many others. Soon, you’re sana to be able to access crypto native protocols such as Jito, Drift, Camino, and a lot of others directly from these regulated financial super apps.
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In this meh super app vision, the worlds of regulated financial services and permissionless crypto protocols are converging. And this is going to open up access to capital markets for people all over the world and it’s sana to result in an absolute boom in on chain Ai activity.
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Taken together, we are at a critical inflection point. For the first time in a hundred years, the technology and the regulatory frameworks have come into ai, and that’s created an opportunity for innovation and ultimately for rebirth of our capital market structure. This combination is creating the substrate on top of which we can finally build Internet capital markets.
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At the highest level, Internet capital markets should just be thought of as one global arya. A market in which anyone, anywhere, with just a phone and an Internet connection can trade any asset from any software modality. It’s actually a beautifully simple concept. Blockchains are going to be the infrastructure that powers all the issuance access trading of those assets.
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With internet capital markets, finance becomes an internet native primitive for the first time ever. Ai. With all this context, let’s now look at some pretty fun examples on how we think internet capital markets are going to come to life. Reading the journal and think the Fed’s going to cut interest rates?
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Well, with internet capital markets, you’re going to be able to bet on interest rates on using something like Ai without ever even leaving the journal. As this kind of a behavior proliferates, we expect that the nature of media itself is sana to change because a lot of media is now going to be derived from the prediction markets.
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The kind of analogy to understand would be if you look at most financial media today, it’s de facto about a stock price or an interest rate. We think that prediction markets are going to just change how media works for all kinds of subject matter. Is the next pass sana to be completed?
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Is Curry going to drain a three? Is Bryson going to drive the green on hole 16? Internet capital markets are coming to the TV too. Twitter actually attempted the second screen experience about ten years ago ai embedding a social feed right next to the main video content but it turns out that was kind of the wrong instantiation of the second screen experience.
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The right instantiation of it is not social content, it’s financial. By betting on a game, it makes it way more entertaining and engaging and putting finance as that second screen experience alongside the sports is going to drive all new engagement in sports TV. Thank you. I haven’t done the work but I hope others do.
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One dirty secret is we all know that everyone likes to bring their phone to the throne and soon, you’re going to be able to swipe to bet while you’re taking care of business. My point in sharing this is that internet capital markets are going to be embedded in software everywhere and you’re going to have all new kinds of ways to trade.
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It might look like swipe to bryden, as shown here, could be ai to trade, could be tap to bryden, people are going to play with all kinds of fun new ways to trade. Speaking of text to trade, I think in the pretty near future, our favorite besties are going to be trading directly in their group chat.
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In this case, Jason’s buying some Robinhood, obviously, and this is all powered by super state equities on drift. Millions of people actually already trade crypto assets using Telegram bots that are not too dissimilar from this illustrative example I’m showing here on the screen, but right now that’s mostly contained just in crypto circles.
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We expect that this kind of experience is going to make its way for trading all kinds of assets and prediction markets. We think in sports betting in particular, this is going to be super pervasive. Being able to chat with your friends and make bets on sports in a group chat is going to go viral.
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Speaking of trading with friends, you know, Jim Cramer really was entertainment finance one point o. But as we think about what entertainment finance two point o looks like, we think it looks a lot more like Roaring Kitty or Dave Portnoy. There are today tens of thousands of streamers all over the world streaming content and trading with their fans and their audience members and this is happening every day on Solana.
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With Internet Capital Markets, you’re sana be able to have groups of people, anyone, anywhere, all trade the same asset together all from one ai stream. This is sana to be one of the new frontiers in social finance. And lastly, of course, we cannot forget podcasts. Soon, you’re sana to be able to buy Chamath’s newest back, maybe some Uber from Jason, maybe buy some Bitcoin or some Solana, or make a bet on a prediction market, all while you’re watching your favorite besties.
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Internet capital markets are going to have a profound effect on how we view and think about and understand markets as they become embedded into media. Markets are no longer just going to exist in some silo on London or Wall Street. Markets are going to become the media, and the media is going to become the channel.
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Just as software has eaten the world over the last twenty years, internet capital markets are going to absorb every function of capital formation, trading, settlement, and risk. The legacy system is not going to adapt. It’s going to be consumed. And this shift is not going to happen alone.
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It’s happening in parallel with Ai, one of the most transformative technologies of our lifetimes. If AI is rewriting how companies are built, then Internet capital markets are rewriting how companies are sana to be financed, traded, and owned. It’s an incredibly exciting time to be an investor and a builder in the space.
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This is truly a generational opportunity that only presents itself when the conditions are just right. We finally have the alignment on both the technology side and the regulatory side to get there. When we look back in twenty years, the year 2025 is sana to be remembered as the year that the dam broke.
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It’s going to be akin to how the Telecommunications Act of 1996 unleashed the power of the Internet. Everyone here, all of the builders and entrepreneurs in the ram, and all the investors here, along with everyone who’s watching at home ai, has a chance not just to witness this shift, but to be an active participant in it because Internet capital markets are open to everybody.
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Thank you.