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(0:00) Introducing Mark Cuban, sadness over Luka Doncic
(2:38) America’s broken healthcare system
(15:16) State of the two-party system
(19:24) Introducing Tucker Carlson
(20:01) The fine line between listening and pandering, is Mamdani the Trump of the Left?
(24:27) How to make Americans believe in America again
(34:12) AI job displacement
(39:29) Lightning round with Tucker: Epstein, Putin, why the West is killing itself, the SSRI epidemic, Iryna Zarutska murder
(52:54) Antisemitism and Israel
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Mark Cuban is here ever since he was a child. He wanted to be an entrepreneur.
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I just love to compete for whatever reason. I do. We want all our fellow Americans to to succeed.
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The Dallas Mavericks are NBA champions. The first title in franchise history.
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One of America’s most famous professional sports owners is selling his beloved team.
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You’ve done a reality show, just retired from that, cashed out of the Mavericks check, kinda adds up to you’re gonna run for president. And No.
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No. There’s no way. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mark Cuban.
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It’s over, Carl.
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Alright. Yeah. Thanks for being here.
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God, Mark, it feels like we’ve been doing this for thirty years, and we have.
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And we have. I know.
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We have. What what
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what GLP are you on?
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Yeah. What what off menu items? Looking
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pretty None.
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He’s in retirement. Sells a team.
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Nah. Takes a
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break. He’s retired.
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All the stress
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is off. You really do look incredible. Ai, are you are you doing something?
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I’m working out.
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Yeah. I
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eat. We sana know about the off the menu items. We’ll talk backstage.
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There are no off the menu items.
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No off the menu items. Okay.
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Ai. Just ai, Exercise
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and watching what I eat. Yeah.
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Yeah. What was more painful in the last year? Kamala losing or Luca getting traded?
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Luca getting traded. It’s not even close. And, no, I had nothing to do with it.
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We know. And, you know, you sold the team. You you explained it 50 different ways to Sunday. But there was this idea that you would still be involved to some extent.
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Yeah. I fucked up. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Unpack it.
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Yeah. I mean, when I did the deal, the presumption was that I would still be running basketball. And we tried to put it in the contract, but the NBA said the governor is the governor and they make all final decisions. And then, you know, I was involved, and then we went on this run where we went to the ai.
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And rather than trying to interject myself all the time, right, I was like, I don’t wanna get in the way. We’re we’re rolling. And that was a mistake. Ai? Sai it went, there were some, you know, some things that happened internally where, you know, the person who traded Luca didn’t want me there. And so they won.
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I lost.
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Yeah. A rare
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That’s that’s in the past. I’m still hardcore Mavs in FFL.
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A rare L for Mark.
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No. There’s been plenty of them. I just try to minimize them.
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Yeah. Mark, let’s talk about, healthcare. Uh-huh. You started a business that has had a really profoundly disruptive impact and it’s compounding. Tell the people the business you started and tell them why you started it and why you just think healthcare’s
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broke.
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Sure. So I got a cold email from a doctor Alex Ai. And he wanted to create what’s called a compounding pharmacy where, pharmacies can make drugs, per order. And it was right around the time tyler pharma bro was going to jail for jacking up the price of this generic drug called Daraprim, and I was like, how can he do this, Alex?
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And, you know, in investigating it, it became very clear very quickly that no one knew what the price of any medication was, and there was zero transparency. And so I was like, this is wrong. So we got the URL cost+drugs.com, and we set it up so that when you go to cost+drugs.com, cost+drugs.com, and you put in the name of the medication, whatever it may be, we’re gonna show you our actual cost.
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And not only are we gonna show you our actual cost, we’re gonna show you our markup, which is only 15%, Plus for mail order is $5 for shipping, $5 for the pharmacist to review, and then we also have the option of local pickup. Now, what really created the change is we were the first to ever do vatsal, and even to this day, three and a half years later, nobody else publishes their price list for medications.
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And so when you think about health care, particularly the financial side, nobody trusts it at all. Yeah. And in reality, you know, trust is actually a formula in my mind. Trust equals transparency divided by self interest. We were completely transparent.
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And in terms of self interest, only a 15% markup on medications is fair and it’s nothing. And so, you know, I get emails all the time like, you know, I was looking at having to pay 900 or a thousand or 1,500 or 2,000 and your price is $21.
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But can you but just explain that. It’s not as if it’s 21 versus 40 or ai. It’s 21 versus 900.
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Yeah.
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How does that happen?
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Because it can. You know, if you have an entire industry of insurance companies and the pharmacy benefit managers that either own them or they own, controlling the flow, the financial flow in an entire healthcare industry, and it’s completely opaque by design, they get to charge what they sana.
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Because again, unless you know to go to cost+drugs.com, you have no idea what your Meh did I say that right? Cost+drugs.com.
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Because I
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never I’m not a salesperson at all. .Com.
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But if segment brought to you ai.
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Yeah. Right? Cost+drugs.com. But unless you know to go check pricing with us, you’re just walking in and just hoping you can afford it. And the way the system is set up now, you know, even at Medicare Advantage or Medicare Part D will be cheaper than your co pay, and particularly if it’s coinsurance.
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They one of the things that the pharmacy benefit managers did that’s just a complete rip off, they created tiers of medications. And so there’s generic tiers, there’s brand tiers, but even in Medicare and medic and Medicare Advantage, they created these things called specialty generics. They’re just pills.
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Just like a drug called Imatinib, all these, multiple sclerosis drugs. There’s a long list of them. But because they designated them as special, they either use a coinsurance or a very high co pay. We don’t do any of that. So a big part of our business is is people on Medicare Advantage, on Medicare Part d, where Are there drugs
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you can’t get access to, or you can’t compound, or you can’t make if
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Yeah.
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There’s certain drugs, like the biggest brand drugs, the Eliquis of the world, we can’t get access to them. And the reason why we can’t get access to them is because those big PBMs, they have these things called formularies which determine the drugs that you’re allowed to have access to for a 180,000,000 plus people.
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And they’ve literally told the brand manufacturers, if you deal with costplusdrugs.com, we will diminish you on that formulary, so instead of reaching a 180,000,000 people, and not just for the drugs they work with us on, but for their entire portfolio.
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Sounds like an antitrust case.
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Meh, it is.
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But but Mark, ai, if this gets changed, the PBMs gets wiped out, first of all, should the PBMs all get deleted? And if they do get deleted, what’s gonna happen in the marketplace? Is there suddenly gonna be a big commoditization, more competitors for your business, etcetera?
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I don’t care about the competition because our arya still gonna be 15%. Yep. And we’re so AI bryden. We only have 70 people in the entire company, and we manufacture drugs and the whole nine yards. So if they’re all wiped out or the easier, approach is require that the formularies are segregated from the PBMs.
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Because all they really do is auction off access to those formularies. Yeah. Yeah. And when they do that So
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do you think the PBMs should be deleted?
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Well, there’s pass through PBMs. I mean, the the shit that PBMs do are just insane. Like, if you wanted to go, if your company, if you get your insurance from your employer, and they wanted to go to Lilly or Novo Nordisk to do a wellness program to determine who’s most suited for GLP ones, they’re not allowed to do that.
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And on top of that, all The reason is Because contractually, they don’t want
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you They get blocked out. Yeah. They ai you to go direct.
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They don’t want you to go direct. Mhmm. And on top of that, like, you would think it’d be valuable for the claims for all the people who use, you know, Zepbound or whatever the GLP ones to go to the manufacturers sai they can determine adherence, what’s working, you know, issues, not allowed.
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Fact will charge them to get access to that.
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Are there things that the the government agencies or next round of legislation can do to take the advantages of what you’ve learned and apply it so that everybody can get the benefit of this?
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Well, the And have you talked to the
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administration about that?
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I mean, I’ve talked to some people, but then they say we’re not gonna tell anybody we talked to you. But, you know, the simplest approach really is just market driven. So where you guys get your insurance for yourselves, for the besties, for the companies that you guys work with out there, tell them don’t use one of the biggest don’t use any of the big PBMs.
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Use these things called pass through PBMs that allow you to own your own claims, own your own data, get the lowest price, etcetera. So there’s a there are market solutions to get there.
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Right.
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Is the original sin in this country tying healthcare to employers and making them responsible for it? Is that what we have to solve for?
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No. The original sin is allowing these companies to become vertically integrated and enormous. And sai, like, there’s one big insurance company just for intercompany transfers. Each year, it’s about a $161,000,000,000. That’s point 3% of our GDP. They have gotten so large and so vertically integrated that they can game the entire system.
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You sana your medical loss ratio to be where it needs to be? Well then push the cost to, you know, to the PBM. You wanna increase your profits here, you know, you wanna make your Medicare Advantage ram work, game the system this way. The big insurance companies think about this. Right?
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We all have insurance or we’re on our parents’ insurance at some point, but, the insurance company defines a plan. Right? And they set a premium, and they set a deductible and a max out of pocket. The less you make, the more likely you’re gonna take a lower premium, higher deductible.
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But excluding the people on Medicaid, 40% of people can’t afford a $400 bill, right, or expense. Meh, they’re the ones choosing the 2,500, the $5,000 deductibles, and the 9,000 out of pockets. Which means for the insurance companies that they know that they can’t afford to get the first level of care anywhere.
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They can’t afford to go to the hospital, so the insurance company is just keeping the premiums. And even if you work for a company, let’s say you work for a company here in LA and your net take home, you know, is 35, dollars 40,000, and you have a 2,500 or $3,000 deductible, and you’re playing basketball and you go to dunk ai Jason always does and breaks his meh, you’re fucked.
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You know, you’re not going That’s why my fingers are like this, ai? Because, you know, you just can’t afford to go to use your deductible. That’s the problem of the system. And as long as we have these these companies that are so vertically integrated and continue to buy more and more companies so that they can game the system even more and they control the patient flow and they control the flow of drugs.
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Sai this is an interesting, reaction happening in the markets which is self directed healthcare. People arya opting to, affluent people in some cases, higher premiums and saying, you know what? I’ll just do my own blood work with superpower or function. I’m sana go, you know, take care of my own, peptides or I’m gonna go to a compounding pharmacy.
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I’m gonna go to roe.com and I’m gonna get, you know, my whatever you
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Well, you’re spending too. If you go to rose.com Let me just tell you, for my friends of my age, right, 90 tadalafil cost less than a bag of M and M’s. Tadalafil is generic Cialis. So we charge less than a bag of M and M’s. So if you go to Rose or Hims or those guys, you’re getting ripped off.
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Mark, let me ask you,
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But the self directed
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But the self directed Jay Zell
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is gonna change his prescription.
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I’ll change my prescription right now. You But He’s on the self directed
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Right.
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So on that point. Right? So we’re creating a company called Cost Plus Wellness that hasn’t launched yet. It’ll hopefully launch at the end of this month. And what we’re doing is we’re going out there ram my companies, we’re we’re eating our own dog food, and we’re setting up direct contracts with 8,000 providers at this point.
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And so it’s based off a cash pay because those insurance companies not only rip off patients, you know, and deny care, etcetera, etcetera, they also underpay providers and all these other things, and they have to respond. And they underpay doctors too. And so what we’re doing is we’re going out there negotiating these cash prices with terms that, hey, we’ll we’ll pay on a cash basis.
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But what’s different about it when we launch, we’re gonna publish all those contracts because there’s absolutely no transparency whatsoever on the insurance side. Your companies don’t know what they’re doing. They’re permitted from having discussions with each other to compare notes. So we’ll publish the contract.
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Just to to wrap that point on crossplus, drugs.com. You’re not gonna this isn’t gonna impact your economics personally in any way. You’re doing this because, hey, maybe as a third act you see this as a way to give back to society.
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I wanna fuck up healthcare. Who here thinks the financial side of healthcare is great? Nobody. It’s a fucking mess. Right? And so So you’re
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doing this to prove a point to help people.
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Because it’s fixable. Yes. Right? It’s fixable, but politicians gotta do what politicians do. Right? Even with the ai
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Have you gone to DC since President Trump? I know you were Yeah. Campaigning for Kamala Harris. Have you been to DC since the election?
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Yeah. One time.
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You have? And and how did it go? And our experience I’ll meh you know. Maybe maybe we’re a little bit influential or whatever because of various relationships. But, like, everyone we speak to, ai, it’s an open door policy. The the administration is listening to everyone on all of these important issues. Yep.
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And we’re hearing this from industry leaders from both sides of the country.
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Trying to get them to move, right, is different. Right? Because the president, and actually his MFN EO was great. Right? No knock on that whatsoever. The problem is, like, we literally went to manufacturers, and we said, take the PBMs out, and if you take the PBMs out and sell to us at a higher price than what you’re selling to the big PBMs, and just let us market up only our 15%, our price will be close to all the European countries that the Meh wants to compare to, because you know what the difference between the our countries and theirs?
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They don’t have PBMs. Right? So we we went I went to CMS and told them we would do these things. Right? Then we started talking to the manufacturers.
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Then the manufacturers backed off. And CMS knew they backed off. You know why they backed off? They were more afraid of the PBMs and being removed from formularies than they were of Donald Trump. Mhmm.
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Ai even wrote a letter for them to give to the president explaining all that. Now, whether or not they ever gave it to him, I don’t know. But it it’s crazy that they would rather piss off Donald Trump and make the EO not happen because Mark. It’s been a lot longer than ninety days and we haven’t seen a single drug that falls under the MFN protocol.
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Mark, if you Look, you you’ve had a lot of chapters in your ai, very successful. But if you are able to crack this, it will obviously not just be a great service for people, but you will build an immense amount of social and political capital. And, you know, we mentioned this backstage, but some folks have whispered and sai, you know, when we ask who is the leader of the Democratic Party?
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You know, and they say, they say it’s Mark Cuban.
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Eric Smallwell said this on our show.
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That was a long time ago.
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But Mark
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arya you just, can you just transition and just talk about that which is, where is the democratic party? If you’re able to get this done how can you sort of reinvigorate that side of the aisle?
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I don’t
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care about the democratic party. People think I’m a democrat. I’m not. I think you’re a democrat. I’m not. If it were up to me, I’d kick both parties to the curb. I think both parties suck. Right?
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I’m with that. Moderates and independents. Independent.
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Independent. So does that mean
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you’re pro America party? If you were advising Elon, would you tell him, stay out of the Republican party, just try to win some seats for common sense, and would you back him with the Meh party?
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Depends on, you know, the policies and who the politicians were. But, yeah. I said I tweeted or posted, meh, I’m wide open to that. We need to look at each individual situation for its own merits. Yeah. Right? I just don’t care about either party. You know, both ai, the Republican party isn’t the Republican party anymore.
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It’s the Trump family business, And the Democratic party doesn’t even exist anymore because, you know, they don’t even know what they’re doing and there’s nobody in charge. Right? They both suck.
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Yeah. Do you do you get calls from, Democratic leadership saying, what should we do? Give us Yeah. And what do you say?
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Startle? Ai well, basically what I tell them is you have to learn how to sell. They have no idea how to sell. I’ll give you a perfect example. Right? Right now with, the enhanced ACA credits, subsidy credits are set to expire at the end of this year. Right? That when they expire for 12 and a half million people
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These are the Obamacare healthcare credits.
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Right. Right. For the ACA. Ai. And so when they expire, let’s just take a family of five from the from the state of Texas, the great state of Texas, ai in income, three kids. By the time you look at all their adjustable gross income and all that kind of stuff, their net federal tax rate is 3.3, their effective tax rate, 3.3%.
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That same family, right, if they lose their, the enhanced credits because they’re eligible for them, they, their monthly payments will go from $880 give or take per month to about $2,300 a month. So that delta of $1,500 a month, that’s $18,000 a year. That’s everything. That’s, you know, 20%. That’s a 20% tax increase.
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Now that’s right in front of the Democrats to jump all over when it comes to, you know, all the stuff that’s coming up. Right? Yet not a single word that this is the biggest increase in the history of tax increases ever. And so they’re not cognizant of just the obvious things.
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And then the Republicans aren’t cognizant of it either because they’ve gotta realize that you arya about to screw over 12 and a half million people in a way they’ve never been screwed over before. You know, it’s just right there, right in front of them, and and nobody’s paying attention to, ai, and we wonder what
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do they say? When when you point this out to democratic leadership that calls you, what’s the response?
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That’s a good point. Yeah.
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And it seems like they’re leaning into this ban the billionaires vatsal Ai
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had that conversation the other day. 942 or however many people. Look, it’s like the Mondami thing. Right? They haven’t learned from ten years of Trump. Mondami is just Trump progressive progressive version. Ai? You just say what people sana hear. You want rent control? Yeah, I’ll give you rent control. Right? You want free transportation?
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Got it. Right? You want grocery stores paid for by the government? Done. That’s Trump one zero one, you know? And so they, he has figured it out.
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Yeah. The
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rest of them have not.
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Yeah. I
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think this might be a good time to bring out our, stay here, Mark. But I think
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we wanna bring out I wanna we wanna introduce you to a friend of ours. Yeah. People who are awesome.
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Let’s just
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add one more bestie.
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Just add
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a bestie. We’re gonna add a prize.
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Come on out.
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Surprise bestie coming out. Tucker Carlson.
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And it’s in. I’ll give you a hug. Thanks. Better luck. Gentlemen. Alright. Nice to see you.
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I think you guys are on the couch next to each other. Yeah. Come on. But actually, this what what Mark
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The right and the left here.
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Mark raised an interesting question there, which is He certainly did. Curious to get your your take, Tucker, which is, where’s the line of democracy, Tucker, between giving the people what they want, which is democracy, versus what Marx seems to be saying, which is pandering to them or something or offering something that
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Where is the line? I mean, I can identify it. It’s at cost+drugs.com. I was I was thinking backstage ai
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This is one smart
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Where do I need my SSRI needs? Like, let’s see. I don’t know what pallet of benzos. Cost+drugs.com. Ai would Flash?
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I would I
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would ai that that falls on the kind of radical democracy end of the spectrum, which I oppose. No. I mean, it’s a balance. Obviously, the funding documents reflect the balance that the founders, for all their sort of overhyped genius, they really were geniuses actually, and they thought deeply about this.
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And how do you not devolve into this, the ugliest form of democracy, which inevitably leads to tyranny, where you’re just ai taking payoffs and seeking affirmation from the meh, and the oligarchy that is at the other extreme. And clearly, we’re on sort of ai or were up until Trump’s election, sort of at one end where there’s no demonstrable effort by the government to meet, like, the basic desires of the population, doing just the opposite.
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There was never, like, any effort to pull people, like, hey, would you like 40,000,000 new Americans? Like, no one’s for that in any country ever. And they just sort of gave it to you and shouted you down whether you wanted it or not. Hey, maybe we should, you know, the real problem is the Houthis. Okay.
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Oh,
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the Houthis.
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Alright. As my father said to me growing up, just beware of the Houthis. Ancient ancient enemy of our people, ai, what? And they would just sort of present these things or Putin is bad. You gotta hate Putin. Really? I don’t really have strong feelings. Shut shah, Russian tool or whatever.
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This is even before I ai Putin. I was like, what are you even talking about? So in place of sort of the the actual organic desires of the people, which arya never that different from society to society, speak, prosperity, hope of a better future for your children, the promise of grandchildren, not just sterility.
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In place of those, they manufacture these things you’re supposed to want. So that’s obviously, like, way on the other side of what we think of as just basic responsive government. Are we going too arya? Otherwise, Sai don’t know. We’re not even in year end. But that is the tension.
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Tucker, I sana to get your reaction to what Mark said. Mark characterized Mamdani as, Trump on the left. Like he’s taken the Trump playbook and inverted it and applied it in a more, you know, with leftist rhetoric. Do you agree with that characterization? What what is working in Mamdani and what is the same and different versus?
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Well Sai mean I’m not an expert on Mamdani. I don’t know him. I’ve tried to interview him a bunch of times because I think it’d be interesting. There’s clearly something there. Ai? It’s and it’s not just about hating Israel or the foreign policy stuff. I ai, I refuse to believe that’s the core of it.
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I think it’s part of it. But I think the core of it is just economic frustration, and I think this is a marker for what we’re sana see a whole lot more of, which is economic populism. That’s the actual next chapter. That’s sana scare the shit out of everyone in this ram, And I get it. I’m not even calling for it.
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I’m just saying when your kids can’t buy a house or even dream of buying a house when they’re buying DoorDash on credit, you’re ripe for some kind of revolution. And the question is, is it a violent one? God forbid. Or is it a kind of sincere Bernie Sanders? But either way, you’re gonna get some kind of massive reaction to that because that is
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a core human need. What’s the impact of social media in all this? Because I think one thing that another thing that Madami and Trump have in common is they know how to make the algorithms work in their favor. Yeah. You know, when Trump talks about they’re eating cats and dogs,
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his ai were, by the way.
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Well, maybe one person was. Right?
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But it was certainly Maybe one person? So that’s not a thing. Being one dog is too many. That that’s not a thing. Means anything.
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Yeah.
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If you could boil down national creed to one statement, there’s no dog eating here. What about cats? I’m agnostic on cats, but ai no dog eating. Yeah. Cats are pricks. That’s like a foundational principle.
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Well, no. But if if if it is about wages, if it is about affording a home, let’s put the, political parties aside. What’s the path forward, Mark, Tucker, of maybe letting the bottom third believe in America again? Should we raise the minimum wage? Do we need to have a Manhattan Project to do something as easy as build 5,000,000 homes? I mean, we live in the great state of Texas.
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They build homes ai you wouldn’t believe. And rents have gone down in Texas three years in a row. Ai meh, there are solutions to these problems. What should we solve for as a country? Politics aside, if we had a top two or three things, what do we need to solve?
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Mark and then Tucker, same for you.
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I think we’ve forgotten about entrepreneurs. Yeah. You know, I think that’s one of the challenges of the tariffs that we hear about ai investment, $600,000,000,000 investment, $2,000,000,000,000 or whatever in aggregate investment, but we don’t talk about the 10% effective or 15 or 20% effective tariffs and the impact on small businesses.
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And not just from the actual tariffs per se, but from the friction that they create for the companies trying to run their companies. Right? Like for my Shark Tank companies, it’s put several out of business. And when you hear the president talk about them, I understand he’s trying to work on a macro basis. That’s that’s what he’s trying to do. That’s fine.
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But for, you know, there’s 33,000,000 companies, 30,000,000 of them are solopreneurs, you know, there’s only 22,000 companies that have 500 or more employees. 60% of new jobs are created by small companies, I think they’re being ignored. And to your point, if he’s able to reduce friction in terms of zoning, in terms of, anything else that makes it more difficult to run, whether it’s using AI or whatever it may be, then I start I think the American spirit takes over.
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Right? You guys are entrepreneurs, you’re an entrepreneur, you know that, you know, the ideas are there. The people who sana implement those ideas are what makes this You can go around the world, and they don’t talk about the French dream, the Houthi dream, they talk about the American dream.
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By the way, over lunch, the French government collapsed, I ai.
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Yeah, I saw that, yeah. But they talk about the American dream. That’s what makes this country great. That’s what makes this country different. And I think for a long time now, we’ve forgotten about those entrepreneurs.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. I agree. Well Tucker, what do you got on the short list?
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I mean, I I I think housing is, like, the core of kind of everything. You know, where you live is, like, one of the central questions of your life. I don’t think it’s actually about housing. It’s about autonomy. Mhmm. Actually, both sides wanna subvert it. The left is always talking about housing.
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The unhoused is if the core problem with homelessness is we don’t have enough, like, you know, section eight high density buildings or something. It’s nothing to do with that. And the right talks about it, like, even to address the question is to sort of buy into the Mamdani ram. You’re a socialist or something. Yeah.
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And no, I think the material condition of your people is ai a really big deal and you should focus on it. It doesn’t make you a socialist at all. Ai not a socialist, obviously. And then they go too far, like Ai don’t think, you know, building condos in Yellowstone either is the answer.
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We have way too many people in the country. So like the big like the top line numbers really matter. How many people live here? Well, we don’t actually know the answer. Right. Trump told me directly he thought it was 50,000,000. He’s the president of The United States.
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He doesn’t know how many people whose identities we don’t really know live here, is a little weird in a time of facial recognition. Like Sai have to have my nose scanned to get on an airplane, but like we don’t know who’s here. I call bullshit, but whatever we don’t know. But we do know that, and you know from traveling, that how many people a country has determines the nature of the country almost more than anything. Right?
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I meh, this kind of why like the places you go on vacation are not densely populated. So we need to articulate just like the obvious supply and demand principles
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out loud. Don’t we have more fundamental issues than that though? There’s no more meh issue
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than who lives in your country, dude. There is. Right? Because
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Okay.
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Because if you want if you want
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The cost
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of prescription drugs?
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No. But if you want the birth rates to go up
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I may have an answer to that, Mark.
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Thank you. What was the name of the place?
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Costplusdrugs.com.
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Smart man.
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For your drug needs. I’m Cal Worthington. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.
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But if you can’t afford to live here, you can’t afford kids. Right? If you’re I get it. If you can’t afford health care
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Mark, let me ask you a question. What’s your take on whether we should be sending money to Ukraine or not? Were you in favor of that?
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Man, they need it.
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I mean, honestly Don’t order. I don’t have a good answer. You ai, I can make an argument both ways, and half meh family is Ukrainian on my ai my grandparents. And so, you know, personally, I think we should help, but I don’t have a studied answer for you.
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Have you sai how much money have you sent to Ukraine?
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None.
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Oh, so what do you mean by we? You’re the one whose family’s from Ukraine. Like, why don’t you send them a billion dollars?
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Because I’m trying to fix health care. Why don’t
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you fix their health care if you’re, like, so deep? If you think we need to help, why don’t you start? How about you first? Ai notice that’s never like even an option for anybody. It’s ai, we need to help. That’s not what charity is. Forcing other people to help is not charity.
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Here’s the
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good news. The good news is, all the weapons were on loan lease. We’re getting it back and Right. Our dear president, Trump, has negotiated that we own half the minerals. So he turned this horrible
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Into a
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profit center. Into a profit center, which is one of his unique gifts. I think we can all agree.
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Go ahead. Can Ai can I just follow-up on the, like the another alternative root cause and I’ve harped on this a lot, federal spending? Ultimately if the federal deficit remains as it is, six and a half percent of GDP, we’re printing money. The Federal Reserve has to buy all the treasuries to fund the the government.
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That money printing and all of those inefficient programs for lending, for housing, lending for student loans, spending on stuff that has no ROI etcetera etcetera ultimately leads to inflation and leads to everything becoming unaffordable. Is it not an option and how much do you both care about or think about reining in the federal spending and having those kind of pointed conversations about the importance of this and
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Go ahead, Tucker.
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You look back here.
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I mean, I think about it a lot. I think about the devaluation of the dollar. I think about it’s just not worth sai meh, And I know that in my own I’m not an investor. I don’t invest in anything. But in the things that I buy with an eye to retaining value, they’re physical things.
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I just don’t believe in any of this
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Yeah.
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At all. And, so I I caught myself the other day, and I I’m at such a low sort of level compared to everyone else here. I’m not especially rich, but, like, I had a little bit of extra money. And I’m like, it really was like the Weimar impulse. Like, shah. I gotta buy something soon before
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it looks Before the dollar’s worth less.
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Yeah. I mean, everyone everyone I know, and I live in a very rural arya, and I most of my friends are are crazy, but people I know are thinking in terms of ai land, gold, ram. Right. Ai, I don’t think that water I don’t think that’s no. I mean, are you really laughing? Yeah. Arya you tittering nervously? Because you know that’s not insane.
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That’s right. Right.
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I own a shit ton of Bitcoin, first and foremost. Right? Kind of a kind of a hedge, and have probably five years now. Meh. But we do need to cut costs, and I’m hoping AI is a path there. You know, government as a service, AI as a service, reducing the number of people it takes to get things done, understanding that laws that were written in the sixties and this is ai of the abundance thing.
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Right? Laws that were written bryden in the sixties that are still in place don’t apply now. It’s kinda like the government version of the innovator’s dilemma. We have to modify things that are in place already sai we can start to optimize. And I think we haven’t done that in a long, long ai.
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And I don’t think it’s we’re in the process of changing that right now.
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But may I ask and I’m not against anything you said. I mean Okay. I’m for technocratic solutions to moral problems too, but I wonder just kidding. I’m wondering what the aim is. It seems like with any project, like, you begin by articulating your goal Right. Which is, like, one thing America is super bad at.
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So if you wanna get to the moon, say so. And then if you don’t get there, just fake it or whatever ai we did. But but it begins with again, kidding. But it begins with saying what the goal is, ai, what kind of society you want? No.
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But you never I’m not attacking you at all. Ai do think you sent money to Ukraine, but I I think it’s we’re all at fault. It’s all ai, well, how can we do this more efficiently? Well, do what? Ai, in the end, I sana live in a society where people live in single family homes with little lawns that they own that are not gonna be taken away from them ai actual property rights, not theoretical properties, like my ai.
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Okay? I want married people and I want them to have children and grandchildren with the rough assurance, the future of course being fundamentally unknown, but rough assurance that like it’ll kind of be the same. Radical change all the time drives people insane.
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Yeah. But it’s not radical change to do It’s
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not radical change? Dude, I grew in this city. I don’t recognize it. I’m only 56. That’s radical change.
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What? You talking about Los Angeles?
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Yeah. Like, what is this?
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Look. You can go in any any decade, any generation No. There’s never
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been right. There’s never been population. Ai. Then, Ai dare you then, because I know you’re a historian. Give me another example other than the mass rape by the Mongols of population change ai what we’ve seen in the West over the past fifty years. You can’t because there isn’t one in all recorded history.
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So you can be for it or against it, but you can’t say There’s no question with
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your own questions.
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Ai? You don’t ai. I just answer my own questions. Yeah. This is a monologue posing as a colloquy.
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Let me, let tyler me, bring us to AI job displacement. It’s been a big debate we’ve been having on the pod. We all know that AI is going to replace a large number of jobs.
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Do we know that?
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I don’t know quite that either.
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Any self driving car replaces four or five drivers, full time positions. That’s meh different jobs. Well, okay. We’re gonna get to that, but for our guests, do you think we’re gonna have a job displacement that could be acute and how should we handle that? Because we’re we’re seeing people make Optimus robots.
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The idea that any human is gonna be in a factory sorting things, and all the factories we’re making today are designed explicitly to not have humans in it. We may be talking about bringing back and on ensuring factory jobs. That’s not happening. All the new factories sana ai robots. Ai all know that. They’re lights out facilities.
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So what’s the best worst case scenario here in terms of managing
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Can I give you the sai? Please. And that and everyone knows this, but ai, you know, the IBEW is ai, like your electrician will still exist. We’ve got 1,000,000 lawyers and a little fewer than 1,000,000 lawyers in The United Ai, and a lot of them are just SOL. And I think it’s just so great to think of unemployed ai value. No. I’m serious.
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So it’s going to I do think to somebody sai it’s sana affect the worst, most entitled, most annoying classes of people. Okay? So that’s an upside. I don’t sana see any other So so first working class people. So sai I see there’s one thing? You can you can displace farm workers.
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What are they gonna do about it? You can displace factory workers who’ll just kill themselves with drugs and fast food, which they have done. And you’ll feel sort of guilty, but then ignore it. If you do that to lawyers and nonprofit sector employees who I lived around in DC, you will get a revolution. And I mean that.
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I’m dead where did Paul Pott come from? Where I mean, there’s never been a revolution that wasn’t fomented by frustrated members of the sort of business class. Exactly. It’s totally true. Sub aristocrat, but the striving class, the most repulsive people there are, I think we’d fair to say, but also the most intent on getting what they want.
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And if you put them out of business, I mean I’m not joking at all. I think We’re we’re seeing this Let me get on stage.
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We’re seeing this already and one could argue that the Mamdani election surge Yes. Maybe the result of young people coming out of colleges that were in that exact same situation.
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Driving elite and they don’t have
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a ai. And and they were told that if they take on $400,000 of debt, they’ll end up making a good living and progressing in life
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Exactly.
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Buying a home and all of that turned out to not be fucking true.
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So Ai got two kids in college and what I tell them is if you were looking for a job at a big company, you’re not gonna get it. Right. Because the big companies can implement their what they need to do with AI in the short term. The small to middle ai companies need all the help they can get from AI, natives. Right?
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Because walking in and understanding AI and being able to implement for that company is a huge step forward to them. So I think that’s one way to where where we will adjust. Number two, right, the tools you have as someone in college, there’s no better time to be in college or just graduating than right now, because you have more resources available to you in your phone than anybody in the history of everything.
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Right? Because if you wanna be an entrepreneur, if you wanna do whatever it is, you have every expert that’s right there available to you. And it’s not gonna go as far as you think in the short term, but in the long term, it comes down to robotics. Because the electrical workers, if robotics do what robotics need to do, they’re fucked. Right? Because here’s the disconnect right now that I think people don’t understand in AI.
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On one hand, we’re sai used to the large language models, ai, but those are all text driven. They don’t know anything that’s happening here, they can’t acquire all this video, they can’t adapt, there’s a huge latency and it’s all text, and all their IP is being siloed, ai, they’re gonna have to pay for it, so they’ll all have their own specialties.
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Sai lawyer largely, there’ll be millions of large language models. Robotics on the other hand, it’s not even so much about self driving cars or what I use in the factories that cost plus drugs. It’s about in your house. It’s about walking down the streets. It’s about doing those things.
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So if you tyler, you have to get to a point, we have to get to a point for it to be impactful where you can say to a robot, clean the house. Mhmm. And they’ll know not to touch Jason’s socks. Right? And they’ll know, right, the whole idea is robots use video, and they capture and they have to be able to process that video, which means understanding the laws of physics, which
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Git marks. Yeah.
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Git marks. Wait, would you let a robot with a video camera in your house? Honestly. Yes.
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Right? And beyond that, ai?
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You’re a self confident man, aren’t you? Right. Sana, aren’t you?
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Ai. Right. Houses are gonna be redesigned ai right now, when we design houses and we design robots, we design them to work for us. Yeah. And the optimal robots aren’t gonna look anything like us at all.
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Mark, we’re
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running hold on. We’re running out
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of time. Please talk
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about ai. Lightning round. Was Epstein a spy? No. No. No. We Is Putin a We’re
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gonna stay with Tucker now.
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We’re gonna stay with Tucker for a little bit?
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Yeah. We’re gonna stay with Tucker. Okay.
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Oh, you do that. Okay.
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So Just
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wanna think Only I’m
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Gabe and wait a minute. Let’s thank
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Mark Cuban, everybody. Job. Great job, brother. Move over, guys. Okay, Tucker. Now, you get your own segment here, buddy. Alright. So I need to Ai need to get these answers. Okay.
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Cost+drugs.com.
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Yes. Was Epstein a spy? Is Putin a war criminal? And what was Sachs like in college? Go.
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Was Epstein a spy? No. I meh, I don’t think I mean, I don’t know. Sai do know a lot about the story. I don’t think he was at conventional. He wasn’t like an asset or something. He did a ton of work on behalf of intel agencies. Meh work
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on behalf of intel. Yes.
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Well, no question. He was involved in a wrong contra. American, French, Israeli, prop probably British. I meh, that you know, but but there are a lot of I know I know a million people and so do you in that category. Yeah. There’s a number of Most people who travel a lot Okay.
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Now know
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a lot of people are doing that. War criminal? Let me define war criminal. A war criminal is anybody who kills the innocent. And that’s what terrorism is. That’s what a war crime is. That’s the basis of Western justice is that we punish the guilty. Okay. We punish people as individuals, not as groups because we don’t believe in, you know, in blood guilt.
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We don’t
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believe in collective punishment. And so by that standard, you know, there are very few are innocent. I’m not being a relativist here. I’m just but I think it’s really important to define the term. And just to say it again, a war crime and terrorism have this have the same root ai, which is punishing the innocent. Period.
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And if there’s one thing that Western civilization exists to uphold, it’s his sense of fairness and justice, and it’s rooted in that. We punish the guilty. We do not punish the guilty’s relatives. We don’t punish people who look like the guilty ram the same place as the guilty.
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We punish the individual because we believe that all people are fundamentally equal, not in their aptitude, but in their value because they’re all created by God. That is the West. The West. The West. We’re fighting to uphold the Western no. What is it then? That’s what it is. Love.
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And so to the extent you fall short of that, meh. You were a criminal.
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Got it.
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Period. Now most importantly, what was Sai like in college? Take us back to
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Totally fucking out of control. You know, I never By the ai, People arya always like, if you mix cocaine and Ayahuasca, it’s really hard to stand on the roof of a moving car. And I’m like, yeah, that makes sense. Until you see someone do it.
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Absolutely. But, more importantly, if you bang one of these
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You don’t wanna hear more? Where are we at?
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Are you No. We’re gonna get there but Ai sana be on the same level as you. Are you banging nines or threes right now?
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I don’t wanna say ai the grounds, it’ll make me seem impossibly cool, but nines
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and obviously You get it chilled. What do you got? What are you packing? I know you got
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some I pack and I I’m not allowed to make any medical claims though. These do your illness. No. These make me a god. I can just tell you these make you
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a god.
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But what do
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you got? Come on. Trust. You gotta share with me.
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It’s my version of cost+drugs.com.
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Meh. Oh. Or nectars. Yes.
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I have one in. That would be 12. Let’s go. I’ve used nicotine for forty one years. Come on, Sai.
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Get out
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of that one.
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Is gonna become so different than nothing.
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Oh, man.
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No. Let me It’s
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crazy what they do. You know, the health benefits are insane. I never go to the doctor. I eat a lot of pizza. I never intentionally exercise. I’m 56.
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I didn’t
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even open this thing.
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And I feel great and I mean that. Ai I just thought it was great in
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the second.
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Okay. I need to get this back on the rills. I need to get this
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back on the rills.
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Okay. Sorry. Okay. Back on the rales.
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Tucker, I I would like to go around the world in the eleven minutes that we have and just get your reaction to a bunch of different things. Okay. Mhmm. Let’s start. In Europe, UK and then just Continental Europe, what has happened?
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I feel like all of those nations, the Anglosphere specifically, but Western Europe in general is poised for massive change and I just hope it ends peacefully, but the story in the West is population change. Period. That’s the story. And following from that comes culture and political change, and it’s always painful.
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I don’t think it’s always bad personally, but at the scale it’s happening, it’s happened way too fast and there will either be, you know, like a true reaction of the kind that none of us want to see or there will be full totalitarian clampdown.
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What was at the root of, for example, there was a post on x that said that Canada’s population increased by 30% in ai the last seven years.
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Yeah. ai, 35%.
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35%. Ten years. In The UK when, you know, you look
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Simultaneous with government sponsored suicide where native Canadians are encouraged to kill themselves at government expense for non terminal illnesses up to and including economic distress. And that’s sponsored by the government’s called the MADES program. It’s the darkest thing that’s happened since Europe in the thirties. We’re instructed to ignore it.
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The government advertises it in conjunction with private businesses in Canada. And it’s, like, it’s one of those things where your grandkids, assuming you have them, are allowed to have
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them, are gonna ask you,
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like, what was that? And why didn’t anybody say anything about it? I gave a speech in Canada recently and mentioned it. I started with it because it’s, like, so mesmerizingly horrifying. And people just ai stared at me like, I don’t think we’re supposed to talk about that. It’s like the the brainwashing is so generational and crazy that they can’t even notice some people are dying at the behest of the government. The ai, by the way.
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And to be clear what we’re talking about assisted suicide, end of life ai, you can go in, you can set it down.
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Not for the terminally ill for like the bummed out or veterans who don’t have adequate housing. We’ll kill you for free and they are pushing that program and thousands of people have died and they of course they don’t release most of the numbers but they did release numbers this summer that showed it’s like a 100% native Canadian.
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Yeah. Because people shah up there from Girarda was like, why would I kill myself? This is awesome. Like ai have the spirit of life in them and what is that? You know it’s not just the government.
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I mean there’s something going on with Western populations that is suicidal and they’re participating in it.
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You think that’s related to fertility and birth rates?
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It’s sai fertility and birth rates, their decline reflect the change that I’m describing which is very obvious. I spent a lot of time in Europe for a bunch of reasons and I have family there and it’s like Sai I was just there and it’s like I can’t even not believe this is happening.
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There was ai
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survey that was just published ai. Sai gotta pull it up, but it surveyed, 12 things, ranked them in order of importance. Men that voted for Ram, number one was having children. Women that voted for Kamala, number 12 out of 12.
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And do you remember the percentage? This is women who voted for Kamala, Meh women asked your priorities. What percentage said having children was an interest of theirs? What was it? 6%.
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Why?
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So that’s suicide. That’s that’s you’re watching the end of something. Why? That’s people volunteer.
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Is it a deep pessimism about society? Is it a deep depression that I can’t progress in life? Where is it going on?
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No. I ai I mean, yes. Yes. Yes. Of course of course that’s what it is. But I ai, that’s without precedent really. Even in the final years of the Soviet Union, there was no indication that it was that bad. And but it is reflective of what a defeated empire does Mhmm. Like a defeated peoples. But I personally think there’s something bigger going why is it happening in New Zealand? Why is it happening in Ireland? These are not colonial power.
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Ireland was never a colonial power. They were colonized. Korea.
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South Korea.
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Korea, which if you spend a time in by the way, a friend a Korean friend of mine said to me, in fifty years there will be only North Korea.
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Are these all just post industrial? Is that what they are versus rising industrial?
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I think
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it’s It’s not happening in Africa. It’s not happening in parts of
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South Asia
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that are rising.
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You feel the life force when you go
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Fertility rates or or birth rates in Africa, I think are like six to seven
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But the global South more broadly, that is true. Global South. And what Middle East? Yeah. I meh, there are lots of causes, but there’s a spiritual root. I mean, the secular places are killing themselves. Yeah. And the religious place it’s not happening with orthodox Jews in Borough Park.
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Does the industrialization kill religion?
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The atom bomb killed religion. Hiroshima killed killed killed the West. Because, of course, you’re God now. And every every assumption we’ve made since August 1945, eighty years ago, has been based on the core often stated belief that we’re in full control of nations.
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There is.
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It’s also why we became so deeply techno pessimistic, I think.
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Yeah. Well, I think there’s some evidence to support that pessimism. Ai.
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Sai this is something that the Japanese people can kinda teach us from because the last two times I was there, two different people said they weren’t having kids. I asked why And they said it’s immoral to bring children into a world of global climate change and that it would just be totally immoral because the temperatures are rising and and I was just ai, are these people been hallucinating?
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Like
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Well, they don’t even know if their ai required to have children in the first place.
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Right.
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So like any society where people have to be encouraged to have sex is a society that has decided to extinguish itself. Because that’s like the most that’s like that honestly, that’s like being Bobby Sands and starving yourself to death. That’s like you’re at war with nature.
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You’ve decided my most basic impulses must be overridden Right. In the service of what? Death. And so Ai I’ve never been a super religious person. I’m certainly becoming one, that’s for sure at high speak.
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Just in reaction to watching what’s happening, and I think it’s the darkest thing that’s happened in a thousand years at least.
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We were talking about SSRIs earlier. What’s your take on this medication of everybody with these ai that have immediately. SSRIs,
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I mean, don’t get me going. But let me just sai, and I say this I should say as a sober person who doesn’t use deodorant and doesn’t believe in any of that stuff, Sai don’t take any pills ever. You don’t have to be as crazy as I am to wonder, like, what is the what is necessary I do?
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Well, we’ve been taught falsely that they correct a chemical imbalance. Okay. If it’s an imbalance, what’s the baseline? You there’s no answer to that. No.
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What’s the actual diagnosis of, say, bipolar disorder? Unknown. There is none. No. So on the basis of that’s not science at all. That’s witchcraft.
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It’s a questionnaire.
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But on the basis of it, they ai drugs which do not correct a chemical imbalance. They limit emotional range and limiting emotional range is taking someone’s soul. Emotional range is your soul Like that’s what it is. You feel sad when someone ai. You feel joyful when something great happens. That’s what it is to be alive.
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That’s called ai human experience. So by the way, the effects of this unintended but very common effects include genital amnesia. You know what that is? That’s when you feel nothing between your knees and your navel permanently. And there are tens of thousands probably hundreds of thousands because one fifth of the entire American population is unnecessary
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Right.
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Who feel nothing, who are permanently sexually disabled by these drugs. Now, are there people you know or I know personally who were gonna kill themselves and they got on an Sai and they didn’t? That’s a massive success. Thank God for that. There is no indication ever for prescribing an SSRI for five years, ten years, same with benzos, which are also prescribed.
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Same with amphetamines that we give to our children. The whole country is addled on drugs and it’s changing the nature of people and making them into something that is less than people, and it should be banned immediately.
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100% agree.
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I think it’s crazy that it’s happening.
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I mean, we’re giving kids speed. We’re giving them
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meth. And good people are doing it. People I know that I’m related to, who love their who would die for their children are told by doctors, air quotes doctors, who know nothing about the long term effects because they’ve never been studied to put their kids on meth and they do because they love their children.
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I wanna I wanna make sure we we meh to a couple of other things. Tucker, just react to what happened this weekend in Charlotte on the train with the woman who was stabbed by
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I think it’s got to be a turning point. I mean, I I think that the number one thing you don’t want
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How can there be
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just a coordinated suppression? How does that happen?
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Well, that’s you know, this is how people wind up with really dark theories about what’s happening because why would you suppress that? If a young woman by the way, Ukrainian, I I wish I wish cost+drugs.com was here sai I could ask him, but, like, if you really care
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Mark sorry.
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Cost+drugs.com. I wish I could ask if you care about the Ukrainian people, one was just stabbed to death on a train for being ai. Why doesn’t anybody say it? Where all the where’s Bill Kristol on this? Ai, we love the Ukrainians. One just got stabbed in the neck on public transportation and no one cares.
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Ai, what I don’t I don’t have an answer to your question. I will say that the one thing you have to worry about in a multi ethnic society is ethnic conflict because it’s enduring. It doesn’t go away. It’s generational and we arya moving toward that. She was stabbed because she was white and everyone knows that actually.
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And knowing that and not being able to say anything about it because you fear you’re gonna be called names doesn’t make the problem go away. It makes you move to Bozeman And it makes the problem worse. Mhmm. And that’s what you’re seeing. Everyone I know who can afford it is moving to Bozeman or Jackson or, you know, Sun Valley or whatever, but they all have one thing in common. Okay?
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Let’s just stop lying. And I don’t like that. Okay? Because that suggests a future of ethnic conflict which is ai, ask anybody from a country that has ask a Belgian. Belgium has ethnic conflict.
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So this is inherent to the human condition and you wanna be very thoughtful in trying to avoid it and things like that exacerbate it like to a crazy crazy animal level that
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you’re talking about.
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Tucker, let me just ask, do you three three parts to this but short. Do you believe that there is rising antisemitism in the West? And why do people say that you’re contributing to it? Why has that become
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Well, I think there’s rising antisemitism on the left and right. There’s definitely rising antisemitism for sure, and I hate it. You don’t have to believe me.
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You hate it on the record. Right?
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Of course, I hate it.
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Yeah. Because there’s a lot of social media, a lot of this coordinated effort from large industry groups saying Tucker Carlson is an anti Ai. Why is that the case? Yeah.
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Attacking my children over it. Yeah. I I I’m aware.
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Yeah. Right.
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And I actually called an Israeli official who I know. I know a bunch of them, including the prime minister, and said, why are you doing this to me? If you think I’m your enemy, man, you’re you’re really out to lunch. And they’re totally out to lunch. And they I’ve never seen anybody mismanage anything the way the government of Israel is mismanaging in response to what’s happening in Gaza and the West Bank.
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And the way to the way to and it’s not my country, but I’m just noticing that this is really bad for everybody. Two things. One, you have to be willing ai I stand up and say, you know, I’m an Meh, my family’s been here for three hundred years, four hundred years, and I love this country, but my government has done a lot of horrible things.
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No one’s ai, you hate America. If you’re like, I love Israel and I like Israel, I’m a visitor to Israel, frequent visitor to Israel, and but this is not good. Shut up. That’s not helpful at all. Like you turn your allies into enemies by acting that way. A.
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B, conflating a nation state with an ethnic group is not a long term strategy. It’s not wise because you arya tied to the to the temporal politics, the politics of the moment. Like Bibi’s political I don’t hate Bibi, but his political fortunes, individual political fortunes play a role in his calculation and everything that he does. True with all politicians.
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You sana to tie an entire group to that? I don’t think that’s very smart. You can say, I really like Israel. I love Israel. I have family in Israel.
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Whatever you think about Israel, but ai, I don’t think this is a good ai, or I’m offended by it, or whatever. If you eliminate the distinction between a political organization, which is a synonym for government, and an ethnic group, boy, you’re gonna hurt that ethnic group, and that’s exactly what’s happened.
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It’s it’s so bad, and it freaks me out. And I I will say once again that my views on Israel apply to The United States, they apply to Senegal, they apply to Malaysia, they apply to people.
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But not to the Jewish people.
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Come on, dude. No. Right. And, and I’m not even I don’t even fight back against it because I’m like, that’s so low. I’m not playing your fucking game. Okay? What ai view is really simple. I don’t think that it is allowable, it is the most immoral thing to punish the innocent.
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The United States government has punished the innocent a lot. They did during COVID. I yelled about it every night on Fox News. All governments do this because all leaders get carried away with hubris, and they treat people like numbers or enemies or non human beings and they kill them.
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I’m opposed to that. You should be, we’re all opposed to that by the way. I’m opposed when it happens in Sana. I’m opposed when it happens in Texas. I’m opposed, I’m just opposed. And all of a sudden we’ve reached this place where people are so overwrought and defensive.
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Ai he went and said something about, you know, I don’t know, I’m glad we beat Imperial Japan. I’m kind of sad that we incinerated all those people with the atom bomb. Ben Shapiro did a whole segment about how I was like a quizzling or something. You hate America. No, I love America. That’s why I don’t ever want anybody to kill people who didn’t do anything wrong. That is the basis of justice.
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We punish the guilty. We can argue about to what degree they should be punished. Should it be Norway where they get high speed internet and massages? Or should it be, you know what I mean, Malawi where they rot in
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a cave? But why are we not allowed
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We don’t punish the innocent, and that includes children, all children.
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Tucker, why are we not allowed to say we are absolutely saddened at the tragedy that happened on October 7, and we’re absolutely, appalled at watching people starve and innocents being killed in Gaza and not being able to get them made? Why can’t you say both things and not be ai?
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You should be. And I’ve decided that I’m old enough and I know god, ai it’s not like such a fraud. I know my heart. But, like, I you can feel the hate coming off people or whatever. I would hear Obama talk, meh and I always really liked Obama before he became a senator, but I would hear him talk and be like, wow that’s animated by hate.
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And it would be in this this is your captain speaking voice, but it didn’t matter. I was like my dogs, like I could feel what was in him. And I feel very confident in my views. I like people and I just feel that way and I’m not sana play the game or Ai have to be like, oh, actually my wife is part Jewish or ai.
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I don’t question. I’m not gonna do that. I think we should stand on principle. Don’t punish the innocent. I don’t care who you are.
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No one has a special dispensation that allows him or his country to punish the innocent. And if you do, I’m gonna call you on it.
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Okay. And and meh just back up. In ai lieu of a final question, I just wanna back up, Tucker, on this that the base of conservatism is not believing that any government is sacred.
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Thank you, David Sacks.
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Yeah. Every government should be subject to criticism because we know that they will always abuse their authority. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely all governments must be subject to criticism. And government shouldn’t seek to make themselves immune ai essentially calling people names.
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And, you know, I’ve known Tucker for thirty years. He doesn’t have an antisemitic bone in his body. And it really pisses me off the way that he gets attacked for criticizing the conduct of a government.
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I’m not even that critical by the way. Right. That’s the hilarious thing. I’m not even that critical. Ai, I have been around David, as
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we ram here
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people do shitty things and I’m not like
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I think I think for what it’s worth, you’re an American treasure. Ai appreciate
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that you don’t. Thanks.
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Yeah. And Sai, as we wrap here, tell us about the meh cute moment when you met Tucker and you fell in love with Socrates.
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Oh, meet cute. I am meet cute. Give us
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the meet cute. You come around a cubicle, what happens? You see he’s got the bow tie.
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Ai guys
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lock eyes? How
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did it Yeah. What happens?
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It was at lunch at Union Station in Washington, DC. I’ll never forget.
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Tell us, Sachs, your earliest memory of Tucker.
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Just the camaraderie born of of some common views. So
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Yeah. And can I say one thing about David? David was saying, I don’t even get into it, but he was saying things that now would be considered, well, of course, but at the time were, like, pretty brave, I thought. He had written a book ai I was and we had a mutual childhood friend, and I was, like, super impressed because he was saying things that the people around him would be ai, you don’t need to say that.
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Why are you doing that? And he was just totally principled, completely principled. And he just don’t meet that many people like that.
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You have a you have
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a straight shot to the presidency. Are you gonna take it? You,
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Tucker Carlson To being president?
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You have your your fans want it. They want you to run. You have the audience.
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Oh, my fans.
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You have the skill. You have the intellect. Would you consider public service?
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Not even for a second, but if I ai, I would be like, John F. Kennedy was very moderate actually, on almost everything. They killed him anyway. So ai, I’d make it about ten minutes.
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Self preservation is a strong driver.
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I meh the Jack Ruby kind of cancer. Who knows where he got it? You know?
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Ladies and gentlemen, Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson.
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Thank
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you. Awesome. Thank you, James. You crushed it, brother. Thanks. Good job.