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(15:54) Voter fraud findings: illegal immigrants voting in elections, building a zero-defect voting system
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Antonio Gracias: DOGE updates, Voter fraud arrests, Finding ‘Big Balls’ | All-In Live from Miami Podcast Episode Summary
In this podcast episode, the discussion revolves around several key topics, including immigration, government efficiency, and the role of technology and innovation in public service. Antonio Gracias, a prominent guest, shares his insights on these issues, drawing from his experience working in the government and the private sector.
The episode highlights the importance of a point-based immigration system, emphasizing the need for high-skilled immigrants to fill job vacancies in the U.S. economy. Gracias, an advocate for immigration, underscores the economic benefits and the necessity of a structured system to manage skilled and unskilled labor needs.
A significant portion of the conversation focuses on government inefficiencies and the potential for reform. Gracias compares the complexity of government operations to corporate environments, suggesting that a 15% reduction in waste could be achieved with political will. He advocates for transparency and accountability in government processes, using metrics to drive performance improvements.
The episode also touches on the role of young, talented individuals in government, likening their involvement to a modern-day version of the founding fathers. The idea of short-term public service roles is proposed as a way to inject fresh perspectives into government operations, similar to models in countries like Singapore and Israel.
Actionable insights include the need for a cultural shift in government to encourage innovation and efficiency, the importance of transparency in public service, and the potential benefits of a structured immigration system. The recurring theme is the call for a mission-oriented approach to governance, where public servants are motivated by the impact of their work rather than financial incentives.
Overall, the episode conveys a message of optimism about the potential for reform and innovation in government, driven by dedicated individuals and strategic policy changes.
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Antonio Gracias: DOGE updates, Voter fraud arrests, Finding ‘Big Balls’ | All-In Live from Miami Podcast Episode Transcript (Unedited)
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Where’s Antonio Gracias? Bring him up. How bad is it? Ai messed up is our government?
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So if Twitter was, like, the JV League, this is ai the NBA. It’s the most complex thing thing I’ve ever seen.
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How is he able to find big balls?
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Where do they show up? Do they just apply out of the blue? I mean, where do these guys come from?
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You found some people who were illegal immigrants who registered to vote?
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Yes. This is actually true. Every vote that is cast illegally in America nullifies the vote of an American citizen.
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So, Antonio, we we know you’re very busy because you decided, like a couple of our other friends, to take a second job working in our government for a hundred or so days. You can give him a round of applause for that. You know, Trump is a, unique individual in all the world.
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There’s maybe polarizing, in some ways, but one thing that’s not polarizing is Doge. I think everybody wants to see waste, fraud, and abuse, and controlled spending in government. Maybe there’s some questions about how fast it’s going, but we all know you and Elon like to go, you know, at a brisk pace.
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You laid back and you joined a little later in the process. Ai, a stat you joined maybe, what, fifteen, twenty days ago?
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I’ve been there for eight weeks.
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Eight weeks. Okay. So it’s been ai weeks. Yeah. Sixty sixty days. And you went public with it maybe a couple weeks ago.
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Ai. I was with Long Meh for the first four weeks, so you didn’t know I was there.
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Yes. So, so how bad is it? How how messed up is our government? How insane are the processes? You’re a process guy. You know, we both worked on the the Twitter, acquisition and the and the transfer there and did all the zero based budgeting. I mean, maybe compare and contrast it to that, which was maybe one of the most horrific corporate entities I’ve ever seen
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in my
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life Yeah.
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It was tough.
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And how that was being run.
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It was tough. Well, let me just thank you guys. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. It’s great to be down here to see everybody. And let me also say that it’s an honor to serve America. Like, whatever I am doing, I am grateful to be able to do it. I’m grateful my partners for allowing me to do it and my clients for supporting it. And it it truly is not gonna be there.
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There’s many great people in the government trying to ai. So let me just start with that.
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I’m speaking with you.
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Yeah. It is
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a sacrifice. Right? You’re you’re you’re taking time out of your day
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job. It’s definitely a ai, but it it it really I feel very grateful that at the capacity, in thirty years of training in lead operations, that I can be useful. You know? That feels very it feels I ai gratitude. Yeah. How bad is it? So if Twitter was ai the the JV League, this is like the NBA.
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It’s the most complex thing I’ve ever seen. I have in, our office in DC, I have a I’ve mapped now, as an example, the entire system of basically, from the border to the benefits programs. It’s about a 40 foot board, and it looks like a bus. Yeah. It’s I mean, it’s an incredible, like, spaghetti ram of stuff.
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And, yeah, I’ve never seen anything so complex in my life. So the answer to your question is, it’s worse than I thought, much, much worse than what we saw at Twitter Now x. And America, Americans, and all of you, we deserve better.
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Okay. If we were to, and I’m sure Shabbat has some questions in Freeberry, but if we were to look at $1 spent by our government, waste, fraud, abuse, how many pennies of the dollar is it? If you had to, just based on what you’ve seen so far, arrange
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Here’s what it says. If you go into any company, any company you guys ai ever seen, that is not, like, super well run, it probably is, like, easy cut 15%. Easy. Easy. Easy. This is where the 15 this is where the the trillion dollar number came ram, 15% of of $7,000,000,000.
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I think if we had the political will, you’d easily get that 15%. No problem. Not without any problem at all, but and without cutting the core, entitlement programs. So it’s it’s definitely there. The question is do people want to do it or not?
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And meh, every dollar we take, we are taking from an NGO or a Beltway consultant. You know, it’s it’s actually that people are screaming about this because we’re taking money from them. And it it is whatever you read in the news media, I gotta tell you, it isn’t true. I mean, the cuts, I think it’s 88% of the people that have left the government ram taken packages. The packages are very lucrative.
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There’s sort of, you know, nine months or so of severance, and they’re they’re voluntary. So, yeah, I’d ai you that and I also say the people that work in government who are good, there’s lots of good people in the government that I have met and have pointed this at all this stuff, they deserve better.
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Okay? Imagine trying to be a civil servant. You want to do the right thing. You’re working there because you care about America, and you’re in this, like, massive bureaucratic morass with all this stuff on top of you. And, man, I’ve seen, like, I’ve seen OIG reports where the people have reported to Ai, like, sex trafficking, and they turn it in sana nothing happens. Literally nothing happens.
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Okay? So that’s very frustrating, and they stick it out, they keep going, and they keep working hard for America. So I I think it’s it’s not just about the cost cuts, it’s about the culture. Ai, the culture change of allowing allowing good people who are in the government to understand that someone’s listening, that when they sana make improvement change or when they find fraud, waste, and abuse, they can do it and there’s an avenue now to do it.
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I think that’s actually gonna be one of the most important lasting thing we leave is this idea that your voice matters in the government, that there are good people in the government, and when they want the right thing, there’s a way to do it.
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And you got people coming back to work in the office.
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Well, I ai to tell you. So, you know, we have been pilloried often in the press for subscription administration where I ai, and, here are the facts. When I got there, just like at Twitter, the parking lot was empty. Ai talking about stadium ai parking. Okay? Empty. The office was empty.
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There was no one in the corporate office, the headquarters office in Woodland, Maryland. And then Ai because we follow our process of mapping from, like, end to end to the system, we went to visit a couple offices. I went to one myself. The one that I went to, there were about 20 people in the waiting room. There were seven people in the windows.
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Of the seven people, three had their shades half down. Those people were taking phone calls because during COVID, they turned everyone into phone operators. What we learned is they were still running on COVID operations. So, we have now, through our efforts and efforts of the interim administrator, brought everyone back to the office and back to the offices in the field.
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We haven’t closed one field office. Not one since you’ve been there. Everything you’re reading about service levels is not true. What I saw imagine how frustrating that is if you’re you’re waiting in the waiting ram, you see seven windows that are 25 open, and three of the people are taking phone calls, and you’re waiting.
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Ai mean, talk about customer service.
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So ai, like, in in all the companies that we all run, we always talk about using incentives to shape the outcome you sana. And I think you keep insisting, which I think is right, that civil servants, by and large, want the right things to happen. That’s why they chose to go and work for the government. So what is the incentive we need to change? Is it a compensation incentive?
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Is it ai, what, like, what is it?
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Look. I think the people that work in the government it’s a normal distribution of everything. Right? It’s two and a half million people in the government plus contractors. And, you know, some people arya great, some people aren’t great, and there are a lot of people in the middle.
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And the people in the middle react to the incentives as you as you point out. I think the most important thing here is transparency of the metrics because they these folks aren’t there for the money. Mainly, they’re very good, could work maybe more than meh else. The incentives we should create are, transparency sana some basic metrics. They know how they’re doing.
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You know, we were, for example, at Social Security, we were criticized for the website uptime. Well, turns out website uptime has been better since we got there than after Magic Web engineers, and we’ve now published the metrics on the website publicly so people would see it.
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So the engineering team now manages the website and can see know, that they’re doing a good job or not doing a good job, and the public can see if they’re doing a good job or not doing a good job. I I don’t think Financial incentives ai always useful, but this is not just about money.
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Like, for example, if you if you look at Singapore
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Yep.
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The Singaporean approach from Lee Kuan Yew was, let’s create a government that is extremely, empowered, but let’s also make it quite small, let’s make them more compensated and let’s try to find, sort of, an elite cadre of folks. Is that approach possible in The United States, or should we even think that we should try something like that?
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I mean, Singapore is a unique experiment in the world. It’s also a place where you, you know, you might end up getting caned if you drop chewing gum on the
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floor of
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the ground. Okay. So, in America, we have a different a different level of, I would say, of, freedom and rights. You know, we should strive for a civil service that is professional, well compensated, and mission oriented. And that mission orientation is serving The United States.
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And I think that gets back to, look, they’re very good people. They want the right thing. They serve their country. That’s why they’re there. And it’s, I wouldn’t make it I wouldn’t make it about the money. I would make it about the mission.
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And and you will get them we get there are very good people that are there on mission. I I ai them. They are the ones pointing all this stuff out to us. Right. Yeah.
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Can you talk about you guys went on Fox the other day with the Doge team.
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Big balls.
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And Big balls was there. We were talking about this backstage. All of those guys were, like, 12 years old. What is it about the role, the opportunity, the way it was presented vatsal attracted this group of what were incredibly well spoken, highly intelligent, clearly extraordinarily motivated individuals.
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It’s the sort of caliber of talent that all of us aspire to hire and first of all, ai, hire, and then they’re on the mission. Is it Elon’s inspiration and the reach he has that made this happen? Is this a particular moment in American history? Because I was looking at that table, and I was thinking about, like, the founding fathers and the age of the founding fathers when they wrote the Declaration of Independence.
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They were all super young. And I was like, man, this is an opportunity to kinda rewrite how government operates in America today. But I was just struck by the age and the talent and how that came together, and kinda where do they show up? Do they just apply out of the blue? And you guys you guys have recruiters out there? I mean, where does where do these guys come from?
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So, we have we have a recruiting team, actually. They’re great. Barish and Emily do the recruiting. And I’ll tell you, I just wanna stop for a second and and say this. This is extraordinary. These people are extraordinary, all of them. The young people you saw at the table are extraordinary. They’re amazing engineers. I mean, they’re ai, any one of us would be they’re they’re 10 x engineers.
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We would all be thrilled to have our companies. Elon, obviously, is an extraordinary leader, so they come they come for for for him, but I think they’re really motivated by the mission. They’re motivated by the idea that this is a moment where they can actually make an extraordinary bridge to the country, and that is a flywheel that brings more people, ai?
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So they bring their friends, and it’s, you know, you recruit other people in, and there’s there are extraordinary, extraordinary people there, man. Sai you saw the people at the table. In that particular interview, I didn’t say a word. I literally it it wasn’t they cut me. I’d actually
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It was you
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and and the other guy. Yeah.
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I didn’t say anything. The reason I didn’t say anything was because I didn’t need to.
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Yeah.
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These guys are extraordinary. And, ai, you know, one of them in there spoke about this, Ethan. He is in he’s in my son’s class at Harvard. He dropped out of Harvard with two classes left
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Right.
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To come do this. You know, big ball is an example. He’s great. Ron and I work with yeah. I mean, Sai I work with an engineer named Aram. He’s great. You know, the and then and then and I gotta tell you, there’s a whole another strata of people that you didn’t see there who are kind of in their thirties.
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I think ai my my my buddy Josh is working on, on the college stuff and a few other things. These guys are I mean, this guy was a senior executive, a Ai store at KKR left his job Yeah. To come do this. Okay? And there’s a numeral number of people like this. It’s an extraordinary group. I feel honored to be part of it. I feel honored to work with them.
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It really is amazing.
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Can I tyler you an answer to this?
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Yeah. Ai I just sana, like, do you think that this because these guys aren’t gonna work in the government forever. They’re coming in, they’re building something, they’re activating, and they’re moving on back to their private life like the founding fathers did at the start of the American government.
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Is that a better model for how government should operate rather than have career employees, career politicians, but treat it more like civil service where everyone has some role that they should play at some point ai they do in Israel you know, go go to the army for a few years and you everyone is ai.
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Same in Singapore, actually.
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Meh.
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Where everyone kinda has to go spend their time in the government, contribute, participate, but it doesn’t become a mechanism where there’s an incentive to grow it and get more money flowing through it because that’s how I individually as a politician or employee long term would benefit from the government.
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Yeah. I think it’s a great point. It’s a great point on Singapore. Actually, I should have brought that up when when Jamav has ai question. I think that we’re proving there’s there’s two, types of people in the government today. There’s careers, they call them, and politicals. Right?
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I think there should be a third type, which is what you’re talking about. People that are doing public service for a short duration, shorter duration, whether it’s me, one thirty as a as a Sai, or, you know, it’s a couple of years as an engineer or something. I think the culture of this in America would be great for America and great not just for what it does to the government, but how it binds us as a people.
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Right? Serving your country, going there, seeing how hard it is Right. Seeing the the way it works, understanding that, like, really from the inside what’s going on. Listen. I had no idea.
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It’s like what part of the government did you work in for your two year service or your eighteen months. Right? Ai
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This would be this would be a, a great thing for America and a great thing for our society Yeah. Because, that culture of public service, I think, would bring us closer together.
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Shimonth, you were gonna say something about the I had,
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I mean, without saying too much, but you can guess. So all of us have known Elon for a really long time. I also worked for another person that’s of that same stature for a long ai.
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And He’s much shorter.
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Much shorter. And one of
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I say vatsal very
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good friend of his came to see me recently for lunch, and he asked me this exact same question about Elon. He said, like, it was kind of like as a just ai like that’s the question that they were grappling with. How is he able to find big balls and so many big balls?
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I actually can tell you. I’ve seen him find big balls.
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Yeah. He
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it’s, it’s a it’s a serious strategy ai What I
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what I told you.
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Is he responds to emails or tweets. Twitter, people will say, like, I have a solution to this. We should do that. And then I’ve been cc’d on messages where he sends them to the right person. Has people to vet them and see if this idea actually works. And I think he’s, like, very opportunistic and doesn’t prejudge where you went to school, what your credentials is are.
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It’s almost the opposite. The less credentials you are, he has a predisposition to think you’re more right.
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Have you solved a problem?
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By the way, this is sai a
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this is a Peter Tyler. But but my my answer to this was there’s there’s a lot of people that can be responsive in email. I think there’s a handful of people that are real northern stars for technical saloni. But he’s the only one that when you walk in the room, he says, here’s this mission, and it is so generally otherworldly. Nobody else can really say that.
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It is a flywheel, as you said, that is extremely unique. The fact that you can direct that entropy to the United States government, I think, is a blessing. Now the question is, how do we follow-up and make it attractive? Because to your point, I saw those kids on that interview, and any of my five kids, if they had done what they did, I would have been so proud.
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I was so impressed with these kids.
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Very impressive.
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Yeah. And and you’re ai, you’re proud to be an American watching these kids.
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You saw Elon’s face nodding while they were speaking with a a grin ear to ear. He was proud.
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Yeah. Ai was proud. He is proud. Well yeah. He is proud.
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I think it’s important for maybe people to sit back and sai, this has all been done in a hundred days from a cold start. It’s not like Right. They you brought in people, you brought in people who are ai, I know the lay of the land here. It was like Totally. We’re going to figure this out from first principles, do zero based budgeting, whatever it is, look at the data, and see where it leads us.
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And I think one of the disturbing things about the data and most controversial issues in America today is the border. Yeah. And why did Biden let so many people through the border? It was kind of a question if it was even happening. Should we trust these bryden encounter numbers?
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It doesn’t seem real. And and there’s a lack of trust in the government. One side is saying, hey. We let all these people in. There’s fifteen, twenty million extra people here in order to vote Democratic. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me since the Republicans have become the working party.
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But putting all that aside, you started looking at this, and we had a discussion privately about, hey. Are these people signing up to vote? Because that would be an indicator that this, you know, theory that people were streaming across the border in order to vote. You found some people who were illegal immigrants who registered to vote? This is confounding.
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Meh. This is actually true. So, we have we have sampled a handful of states. And in those handful of states, we found, people registered to vote, and we have found people who actually voted. And this is all being done by sampling. Okay? So we are sampling, DHS data and then have to go to the voter rolls, check the voter rolls, and then check the give that to HSI, Homeland Security Investigations, who goes and checks the voter record by subpoena and the and the voter in the cards you sign when you vote.
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We had, already three, arrests here in Florida, actually, and one and one ai. In
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the deal. Publicly known?
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Yes. It’s it’s we we posted it. The DOJO has posted
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not cover like, Sai haven’t seen much
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about it. It’s ai So you’re saying these are these are three individuals who illegally secured or no. Legally secured a
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Social Security. They illegally secured Social Security numbers, through the through the process we talked about last time, asylum or some special program or whatever. And they were given, you know, they’re given associate number by by filing a seven sai five and getting authorization, and they registered to vote, and they actually voted in 2020 and or 2024.
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‘3 have been arrested. I just wanna say this carefully. Three have been arrested, and one has been indicted. The one we indicted I wanna just stop on this guy for a minute. He’s an he’s an Iraqi national. He voted in 2020 in New York.
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He, went to prison for shooting somebody, shot some guy’s hand off, has charged, if I remember correctly, a hundred and 60 there’s 60 or $70,000 of benefits through Medicaid, and his we think is now in Iraq because he’s active on his Facebook page, and the IP address is from Iraq.
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And credit to our friends at HSI, our partners at HSI, and to DOJ for tracking this down. I gotta tell you guys, it’s difficult laborious work. It really is. But think about that a minute.
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Is that the tip of the iceberg, Antonio, do you think? Or did you guys do a lot of mining and a lot of digging to come up with those four? How big of a magnitude of an problem do you think this is? What what’s your what’s your intuition tell you honestly right now about whether there’s massive voter fraud or not?
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Great question, and I wanna be careful I answer it. I’m gonna leave the data. So I’m not leaving the data and I’m entering the area of my opinion, which is what you’re asking me. My opinion is and actually, let me sai back and tell you what we did a second and then tell you my opinion. We are sampling by hand.
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So when you say data mining, we’re not mining. We’re actually like pick and shovel going into, like, by hand. This is not mechanized. There’s no AI being applied. We’re using SQL queries. Okay?
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You’re literally pulling one
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by one. Sampling a name out of the work authorization database, DHS, checking that against the voter roll, and have to go run it down to the state. Super laborious. Okay? So, with that in mind, my opinion is that this is the tip of the iceberg. How big the iceberg is? I don’t know, and I don’t want to speculate because I think it would be not the right thing we can do at this moment.
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I think we’ll have more data over ai. But, for sure, if we can sample out of a database, and it takes an engineer about a day to find 20 ish cases. So what DOJ asked for was 20 10 to 20 cases per state. Just gives you a sense of of of what’s happening. It takes an engineer about a day to find 10 to 20 cases per state in sampling. That gives you an idea of how, you know, how many there are.
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Right? That’s that’s that’s going on.
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Are you shocked that people don’t care about this more?
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I’m I’m shocked. I think people really
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do care. Should we be should we care more?
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Yeah. Yes. Well, meh. I sana separate the questions. I think people care more. My guess is everyone here cares a lot, okay, a lot about this. I think, for some reason, the news media doesn’t care more. Now, should you care? Yes. You know, there’s this idea like it’s they’re always a little bit of fraud, it’s pervasive, we should just it’s not a big deal. Wrong. Here’s the reality.
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Every vote that is cast illegally in America nullifies the vote of an American citizen. It is your constitutional right to vote in Meh. And, if we don’t have a zero defect system, we are violating your constitutional rights. And, I will tell you, you deserve, the American public deserves, that we strive for a zero defect system. Right?
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We make medical device in America with a zero defect system. Yeah. We shouldn’t make votes with a zero defect system. If we don’t strive for a zero defect system, we will get a lot more fraud.
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Mhmm.
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This is why the real idea is so important. We should strive for this. And it doesn’t matter if it’s one vote.
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It’s easily solved with the last 15 states that don’t require voter ID to simply do that, and that would pretty much end this debate, I think.
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I mean, I well, I wanna tell you, there are states that do require ID. I think real ID will solve it because real one of the things that our engineers are building, and it was already there, but they’re making it they’re cleaning up, making it work properly, is a thing called Save.
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There’s a database called Save that is available to the states. In the Biden administration, they raised the ai, when I think about a dollar an API call to $3 and change API call, and all the Sai stops you stopped using it. Save is a database that has the actual citizenship data for the entire country. Okay? We’re cleaning it up now and making the the actual UI much better.
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If the states have real ID and they use Save, you’ll solve this problem. And I I I I cannot understand why a state would not do this.
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Whose decision would it be to just change the cost of that API?
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So great question, Chamath. We the secretary of Homeland Security, I sana thank her, secretary Nome, has just signed a memo, policy meh, to make it free.
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Yeah. Why is the charge anyway? It doesn’t make any sense
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to me. Yes.
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Yeah. That’s the ai simple,
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meeting Nome. Made this free.
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Your parents. I know your dad is an immigrant.
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My parents are both immigrants.
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Both immigrants. Two immigrants sitting here.
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My mother came here. Let’s speak English.
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Yeah. So to be clear
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Pick meh.
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Me too. You’re an immigrant. Also an immigrant. Seventh generation.
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No worries. Which way does it fit? I don’t know who’s not is it oh, Jason.
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Who do you think?
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Seventh generation. I’m the all in presidential candidate by default.
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Sai I don’t know. Or
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You’re from Mount Olympus, though.
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Yes. Yeah. And the five points. But, how should immigration work in this country? You know, we’ve talked about it on our pod, the point based system, etcetera. We still want immigration. We need high skilled immigration. We talked to president Trump about that. He said he was committed to giving people green cards who have ai.
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And this is a little out of your, purview, but just how do you how does Antonio Grazios feel about immigration, you know, deporting people, you know, deporting people with maybe less due process than maybe some
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of us are comfortable with? What do
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you think we should be doing here as a country?
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There’s a lot in that question. Yes. Sai, look, I’m an enormous fan of immigration. I mean, I you will not find a guy who’s more pro immigration than I am, because my parents are immigrants. They came here with nothing and built a life, and I am the American ram. And I’m so grateful for this country ram ai it’s done for my family.
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You won’t find it. I ai so grateful for this country. It has been great for us. Okay? And for all of you.
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The reality is that we need Thank you. Yeah. Meh GDP is simply the function of number of people working, time productivity. We have 7,000,000 job openings roughly in America. We need people to work. Meh. This is the reality.
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The system should very simply be there’s a skilled immigration group and we figure out what that should be, what jobs you sana. And, by the way, America is the best place to live in the world. We all know that. I believe that. If we make this easy, they will come. Right?
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No problem. And Sai think there’s bryden meaning to that. We also need, labor. We do. Our farm our farmers need labor, need labor in the food industry, restaurants, etcetera.
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Ai. Ai think there should be both high end skilled immigration and there should be a very sensible program for unskilled labor, a work permit ram.
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And you We’ve got that H2A program.
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There is an H there is an H2A program. I will tell you, these programs I meh the entire system now. They go from DHS to State Department to Labor. They’re very disconnected, and they’re they’re hard to manage. So we are we are gonna work on this. One of the things we’re gonna work on and hopefully leave behind is both a sensible answer to the illegal problem and a sensible answer to the legal problem.
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It’s very important the team work on this. They they just work on that.
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Is, like, super important for Trump’s administration because there seems to be a bit of a I don’t sana call it a civil war, but heated debate internally between people like yourself and Elon and others who believe immigration is critical, and then other people who just wanna lock the border and deport 20,000,000 people. Speak, I’ll call this Steve Bryden ram. He’s not in the administration clearly.
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Ai the borders I wanna be clear on this something. I don’t believe in open borders.
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Yeah.
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When a country opens a border, this country cedes its sovereignty.
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Meh. So you have to
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close it. You have to have a border that’s controlling. On that. Yeah. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have legal immigration.
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Right. It
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should be it should be a proper process, where people can come in that are great for the country, and they believe in our values. And they should they have a chance to become citizens if they believe in our values, support our country.
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I really hope that you guys work this out and can have a positive influence like you’ve had with Doge on the administration and really work on this one, which is sensible, kind, you know, empathetic, immigration Yep. Because you’re all immigrants.
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I mean, the values I set for our team, let’s tell you, the the Valor execution values are focus, intensity, and discipline. I added a fourth value here to our team for our team, compassion.
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Yes. Antonio, I just want and I want anyone else to join me in saying, look, you’re a successful, wealthy, incredibly Handsome. Handsome man. That’s the best part. But, like, I I know the work you’re doing super hard. We talked back stage about how hard it’s been. I just sana honestly sai, as an American, thank you for the work you’re doing, and I’m glad you’re here.
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Thank you, bro.
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Alright. Thanks to my friend, Antonio Gracias, for joining us, and thanks to you, the audience, for tuning in for that important discussion about Doge. If you wanna come to our next event, it’s the All In Summit in Los Angeles, Fourth year for All In Summit. Go to allin.com/events to apply.
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We’ll let your winners ride. Rain Meh David Cyrus. And it said we open sourced it to the fans, and they’ve just gone crazy with it. Love you, West. Sweet.
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Besties are bad. That is my dog taking
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it out
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of your driveway.
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We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy because
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they’re all just useless.
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It’s like this, like, sexual tension that we just need to release somehow.
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Let your feet be.
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Let your feet be. Wet your feet. Wet your feet.
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Wet your feet.
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Wet your feet. What? Where did you get murdered? This is our man ai.
